From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Wed Sep  1 01:14:44 2004
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps - IT Helps)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 08:14:44 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] A2K:Determine OS and version via VBA - Solved
	thanksGustav and Stuart
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF0ADB51@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

It is advised to put the MDE on the local computer of the client, so all
network users use their own MDE file.

Thats always good for several reasons already discusses in the mailing
list, but I want to point out that there are some weirder things with
Access 2003 references than we are used with 2K.

References some times need to be disabled and re-enabled before the
apllications works.
In case you have different Access versions running in the same site, a
MDE file on the user local computer is a must due to these references.

Erwin


 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darren DICK
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 5:25 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K:Determine OS and version via VBA - Solved
thanksGustav and Stuart

Gustav and Stuart

Many thanks to you both 

Both sets of code Work like a charm

Many thanks to you both

Have a great day

Darren



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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Tuesday, 31 August 2004 9:57 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K:Determine OS and version via VBA


Hi Darren

> I used to have a little code jewel from the list tucked away in my own

> personal little archive that would allow me to determine the OS in
> VBA- But alas since the death of the laptop my personal stash has gone

> So....Anyone got any code to determine the OS and version?

We use this module:

<code>

Option Compare Database
Option Explicit

'                           Major     Minor
' OS              Platform  Version   Version  Build
'
' Windows 95      1         4          0
' Windows 98      1         4         10       1998
' Windows 98SE    1         4         10       2222
' Windows ME      1         4         90       3000
' NT 3.51         2         3         51
' NT              2         4          0       1381
' 2000            2         5          0
' XP              2         5          1       2600
' Server 2003     2         5          2

' Code based on MS API documentation.
' 2004-07-02. Assembled by Cactus Data ApS, CPH.
  
  Private Const VER_PLATFORM_WIN32s         As Long = 0 ' Win32s on
Windows
3.1x.
  Private Const VER_PLATFORM_WIN32_WINDOWS  As Long = 1 ' Windows 95,
Windows 98, Windows ME.
  Private Const VER_PLATFORM_WIN32_NT       As Long = 2 ' Windows NT,
Windows 2000, Windows XP, Windows Server 2003.
  
  Private Const clngCSDVersion              As Long = 128

  Private Type OSVERSIONINFO
    dwOSVersionInfoSize As Long
    dwMajorVersion      As Long
    dwMinorVersion      As Long
    dwBuildNumber       As Long
    dwPlatformId        As Long
    szCSDVersion        As String * clngCSDVersion
  End Type
  
  Private Declare Function GetVersionEx Lib "kernel32" Alias
"GetVersionExA"
( _
    ByRef lpVersionInformation As OSVERSIONINFO) _
    As Long

Public Function GetVersion() As String

' Retrieves version of current Windows OS.
' Returns version as full string.
'
' 2004-07-02. Cactus Data ApS, CPH.

  Dim OSV         As OSVERSIONINFO
  
  Dim strVersion  As String
    
  OSV.dwOSVersionInfoSize = Len(OSV)
  OSV.szCSDVersion = Space$(clngCSDVersion)
  GetVersionEx OSV
  With OSV
    ' Service Pack info string.
    Debug.Print .szCSDVersion
    Select Case .dwPlatformId
      Case VER_PLATFORM_WIN32s          ' Win32s on Windows 3.1x.
        strVersion = "Windows 3.1"
      Case VER_PLATFORM_WIN32_WINDOWS   ' Windows 95, Windows 98,
        Select Case .dwMinorVersion     ' Windows ME.
          Case 0
            strVersion = "Windows 95"
          Case 10
            If (.dwBuildNumber And &HFFFF&) = 2222 Then
              strVersion = "Windows 98SE"
            Else
              strVersion = "Windows 98"
            End If
          Case 90
            strVersion = "Windows ME"
        End Select
      Case VER_PLATFORM_WIN32_NT        ' Windows NT, Windows 2000,
Windows
XP,
        Select Case .dwMajorVersion     ' Windows Server 2003.
          Case 3
            strVersion = "Windows NT 3.51"
          Case 4
            strVersion = "Windows NT 4.0"
          Case 5
            Select Case .dwMinorVersion
              Case 0
                strVersion = "Windows 2000"
              Case 1
                strVersion = "Windows XP"
              Case 2
                strVersion = "Windows Server 2003"
            End Select
        End Select
      Case Else
        strVersion = "Unknown"
    End Select
  End With
  
  GetVersion = strVersion
  
End Function

Public Function IsWinXP() As Boolean

' Checks current Windows OS.
' Returns True if OS is Win XP or Server 2003.
'
' 2004-07-07. Cactus Data ApS, CPH.

  Dim OSV         As OSVERSIONINFO
  
  Dim booVersion  As Boolean
    
  OSV.dwOSVersionInfoSize = Len(OSV)
  GetVersionEx OSV
  With OSV
    Select Case .dwPlatformId
      Case VER_PLATFORM_WIN32_NT        ' Windows NT, Windows 2000,
Windows
XP,
        Select Case .dwMajorVersion     ' Windows Server 2003.
          Case 5
            Select Case .dwMinorVersion
              Case 0
                ' strVersion = "Windows 2000"
              Case 1
                ' strVersion = "Windows XP"
                booVersion = True
              Case 2
                ' strVersion = "Windows Server 2003"
                booVersion = True
            End Select
        End Select
    End Select
  End With
  
  IsWinXP = booVersion
  
End Function

</code>

Have fun!

/gustav

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From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Wed Sep  1 02:56:08 2004
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps - IT Helps)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 09:56:08 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] A2K:Determine OS and version via VBA -
	SolvedthanksGustav and Stuart
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF0ADB52@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

Ignore my previous message, it was intended for another issue.... 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Erwin Craps -
IT Helps
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 8:15 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K:Determine OS and version via VBA -
SolvedthanksGustav and Stuart

It is advised to put the MDE on the local computer of the client, so all
network users use their own MDE file.

Thats always good for several reasons already discusses in the mailing
list, but I want to point out that there are some weirder things with
Access 2003 references than we are used with 2K.

References some times need to be disabled and re-enabled before the
apllications works.
In case you have different Access versions running in the same site, a
MDE file on the user local computer is a must due to these references.

Erwin


 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darren DICK
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 5:25 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K:Determine OS and version via VBA - Solved
thanksGustav and Stuart

Gustav and Stuart

Many thanks to you both 

Both sets of code Work like a charm

Many thanks to you both

Have a great day

Darren



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Tuesday, 31 August 2004 9:57 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K:Determine OS and version via VBA


Hi Darren

> I used to have a little code jewel from the list tucked away in my own

> personal little archive that would allow me to determine the OS in
> VBA- But alas since the death of the laptop my personal stash has gone

> So....Anyone got any code to determine the OS and version?

We use this module:

<code>

Option Compare Database
Option Explicit

'                           Major     Minor
' OS              Platform  Version   Version  Build
'
' Windows 95      1         4          0
' Windows 98      1         4         10       1998
' Windows 98SE    1         4         10       2222
' Windows ME      1         4         90       3000
' NT 3.51         2         3         51
' NT              2         4          0       1381
' 2000            2         5          0
' XP              2         5          1       2600
' Server 2003     2         5          2

' Code based on MS API documentation.
' 2004-07-02. Assembled by Cactus Data ApS, CPH.
  
  Private Const VER_PLATFORM_WIN32s         As Long = 0 ' Win32s on
Windows
3.1x.
  Private Const VER_PLATFORM_WIN32_WINDOWS  As Long = 1 ' Windows 95,
Windows 98, Windows ME.
  Private Const VER_PLATFORM_WIN32_NT       As Long = 2 ' Windows NT,
Windows 2000, Windows XP, Windows Server 2003.
  
  Private Const clngCSDVersion              As Long = 128

  Private Type OSVERSIONINFO
    dwOSVersionInfoSize As Long
    dwMajorVersion      As Long
    dwMinorVersion      As Long
    dwBuildNumber       As Long
    dwPlatformId        As Long
    szCSDVersion        As String * clngCSDVersion
  End Type
  
  Private Declare Function GetVersionEx Lib "kernel32" Alias
"GetVersionExA"
( _
    ByRef lpVersionInformation As OSVERSIONINFO) _
    As Long

Public Function GetVersion() As String

' Retrieves version of current Windows OS.
' Returns version as full string.
'
' 2004-07-02. Cactus Data ApS, CPH.

  Dim OSV         As OSVERSIONINFO
  
  Dim strVersion  As String
    
  OSV.dwOSVersionInfoSize = Len(OSV)
  OSV.szCSDVersion = Space$(clngCSDVersion)
  GetVersionEx OSV
  With OSV
    ' Service Pack info string.
    Debug.Print .szCSDVersion
    Select Case .dwPlatformId
      Case VER_PLATFORM_WIN32s          ' Win32s on Windows 3.1x.
        strVersion = "Windows 3.1"
      Case VER_PLATFORM_WIN32_WINDOWS   ' Windows 95, Windows 98,
        Select Case .dwMinorVersion     ' Windows ME.
          Case 0
            strVersion = "Windows 95"
          Case 10
            If (.dwBuildNumber And &HFFFF&) = 2222 Then
              strVersion = "Windows 98SE"
            Else
              strVersion = "Windows 98"
            End If
          Case 90
            strVersion = "Windows ME"
        End Select
      Case VER_PLATFORM_WIN32_NT        ' Windows NT, Windows 2000,
Windows
XP,
        Select Case .dwMajorVersion     ' Windows Server 2003.
          Case 3
            strVersion = "Windows NT 3.51"
          Case 4
            strVersion = "Windows NT 4.0"
          Case 5
            Select Case .dwMinorVersion
              Case 0
                strVersion = "Windows 2000"
              Case 1
                strVersion = "Windows XP"
              Case 2
                strVersion = "Windows Server 2003"
            End Select
        End Select
      Case Else
        strVersion = "Unknown"
    End Select
  End With
  
  GetVersion = strVersion
  
End Function

Public Function IsWinXP() As Boolean

' Checks current Windows OS.
' Returns True if OS is Win XP or Server 2003.
'
' 2004-07-07. Cactus Data ApS, CPH.

  Dim OSV         As OSVERSIONINFO
  
  Dim booVersion  As Boolean
    
  OSV.dwOSVersionInfoSize = Len(OSV)
  GetVersionEx OSV
  With OSV
    Select Case .dwPlatformId
      Case VER_PLATFORM_WIN32_NT        ' Windows NT, Windows 2000,
Windows
XP,
        Select Case .dwMajorVersion     ' Windows Server 2003.
          Case 5
            Select Case .dwMinorVersion
              Case 0
                ' strVersion = "Windows 2000"
              Case 1
                ' strVersion = "Windows XP"
                booVersion = True
              Case 2
                ' strVersion = "Windows Server 2003"
                booVersion = True
            End Select
        End Select
    End Select
  End With
  
  IsWinXP = booVersion
  
End Function

</code>

Have fun!

/gustav

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From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Wed Sep  1 02:56:20 2004
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps - IT Helps)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 09:56:20 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Will an A2K MDE run unde A2003?
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF0ADB53@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

It is advised to put the MDE on the local computer of the client, so all
network users use their own MDE file.

Thats always good for several reasons already discusses in the mailing
list, but I want to point out that there are some weirder things with
Access 2003 references than we are used with 2K.

References some times need to be disabled and re-enabled before the
apllications works.
In case you have different Access versions running in the same site, a
MDE file on the user local computer is a must due to these references.

Erwin 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
- Beach Access Software
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 5:48 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Will an A2K MDE run unde A2003?

For my market having Access is quite common.  So it's not really an
issue.
I've got Wise and could, I suppose, get the Sagekey script for A2K.  But
that's already 2 versions behind the latest.

I understand that A2003 has a pretty decent deployment facility.  Yes?

If this prospect wants the software and it will only run in A2003 I'll
get A2003, and then I'll have a chance to test the deployment features.

Rocky

----- Original Message -----
From: "Francisco Tapia" <fhtapia at gmail.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 5:03 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Will an A2K MDE run unde A2003?


> I am curious as to why you don't deploy it w/ a runtime?, I mean you
> don't have it as opensource to allow the customer to work w/ the app.
>
> On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 16:40:07 -0700, Rocky Smolin - Beach Access
> Software <bchacc at san.rr.com> wrote:
> > Dear List:
> >
> > I have to call a guy tomorrow morning and tell him whether my
software
will work in Access 2003.  I compile it into an MDE under Access 2000.
I
know that MDE will run under Access 2002. Will the MDE run in 2003?
> >
> > I also have Access 2002 which I could use to make an MDE.  Would an
MDE
compiled under Access 2002 run under Access 2003?
> >
>
> -- 
> -Francisco
> -- 
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Sep  1 01:44:59 2004
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence (AccessD))
Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 23:44:59 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Slightly OT: HTTPS question
In-Reply-To: <08F823FD83787D4BA0B99CA580AD3C74089AF3@TTNEXCHCL2.hshhp.com>
Message-ID: <FJEJLIPOMCGJALMGLLLIOECMCGAA.accessd@shaw.ca>

Hi Jim:

I do not know wether this is an issue with you but a client was having some
problems with their version of IE. It turned out to be a proxy issue and
nothing to do with the browser. Their proxy client was not properly setup or
was not installed.

HTH
Jim

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim DeMarco
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 10:32 AM
To: AccessD (E-mail)
Subject: [AccessD] Slightly OT: HTTPS question


List,

Does anyone know if IE 5xx has any issues with accessing https sites?  I'm
pretty sure I can get them on my home PC but I've got a laptop here at the
office that serves up "page not found" errors on two of our sites (one a web
app, the other a Citrix server).

Thanks,

Jim DeMarco
Director Application Development
Hudson Health Plan
Tarrytown, NY



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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Wed Sep  1 01:48:48 2004
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 23:48:48 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Will an A2K MDE run unde A2003?
References: <001701c48fb3$d92f7320$6601a8c0@HAL9002>
	<b874372a04083117034bcc0def@mail.gmail.com>
	<00f801c48fd6$6f473f10$6601a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <413570D0.8010209@shaw.ca>

SageKey has an MSI deployment script for Access 2003. $400  It also 
removes the need for a digital certificate.
which might prove to be a problem or just a nuisance with Access 2000 
MDE running under 2003.
I guess you will find out.

Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software wrote:

>For my market having Access is quite common.  So it's not really an issue.
>I've got Wise and could, I suppose, get the Sagekey script for A2K.  But
>that's already 2 versions behind the latest.
>
>I understand that A2003 has a pretty decent deployment facility.  Yes?
>
>If this prospect wants the software and it will only run in A2003 I'll get
>A2003, and then I'll have a chance to test the deployment features.
>
>Rocky
>
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Francisco Tapia" <fhtapia at gmail.com>
>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
><accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 5:03 PM
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Will an A2K MDE run unde A2003?
>
>
>  
>
>>I am curious as to why you don't deploy it w/ a runtime?, I mean you
>>don't have it as opensource to allow the customer to work w/ the app.
>>
>>On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 16:40:07 -0700, Rocky Smolin - Beach Access
>>Software <bchacc at san.rr.com> wrote:
>>    
>>
>>>Dear List:
>>>
>>>I have to call a guy tomorrow morning and tell him whether my software
>>>      
>>>
>will work in Access 2003.  I compile it into an MDE under Access 2000.  I
>know that MDE will run under Access 2002. Will the MDE run in 2003?
>  
>
>>>I also have Access 2002 which I could use to make an MDE.  Would an MDE
>>>      
>>>
>compiled under Access 2002 run under Access 2003?
>  
>
>>-- 
>>-Francisco
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>>
>>    
>>
>
>  
>

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Canada





From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Wed Sep  1 05:26:30 2004
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 11:26:30 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Prompt after Form loads
In-Reply-To: <b874372a040831153227ff271b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000501c4900e$25b38380$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25>

Francisco
I'd go with your OnTimer idea. I think all of the other obvious events will
fire before the form is fully displayed.

-- Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Francisco Tapia
> Sent: 31 August 2004 23:32
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Prompt after Form loads
> 
> 
> I have a form which autoloads data to some unbound controls.  
> I have a need to prompt the user if he wants to overwrite 
> some fields w/ defaults.  However since the "IF" is in the 
> form_load event it prompts before the form is fully loaded, 
> thus the user can't make an informed decision.
> 
> Any idea how to do this?  on timer, then disable it?
> -- 
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Sep  1 05:34:56 2004
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 12:34:56 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Prompt after Form loads
In-Reply-To: <000501c4900e$25b38380$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25>
References: <000501c4900e$25b38380$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25>
Message-ID: <4314961823.20040901123456@cactus.dk>

Hi Andy and Francisco

I would suggest OnCurrent.
To prevent multiple prompts, set a static flag:

  Static booIsPrompted As Boolean

  If booIsPrompted = False Then
    ' Ask if you user wish to load data.
    <code>
    booIsPrompted = True
  End If

/gustav


> Francisco
> I'd go with your OnTimer idea. I think all of the other obvious events will
> fire before the form is fully displayed.

> -- Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 

>> I have a form which autoloads data to some unbound controls.
>> I have a need to prompt the user if he wants to overwrite 
>> some fields w/ defaults.  However since the "IF" is in the 
>> form_load event it prompts before the form is fully loaded, 
>> thus the user can't make an informed decision.



From Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org  Wed Sep  1 07:08:24 2004
From: Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 08:08:24 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Slightly OT: HTTPS question
Message-ID: <08F823FD83787D4BA0B99CA580AD3C74089B12@TTNEXCHCL2.hshhp.com>

Interesting.  How would I check this out?

Thanks,

Jim D.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
(AccessD)
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 2:45 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Slightly OT: HTTPS question


Hi Jim:

I do not know wether this is an issue with you but a client was having some
problems with their version of IE. It turned out to be a proxy issue and
nothing to do with the browser. Their proxy client was not properly setup or
was not installed.

HTH
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim DeMarco
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 10:32 AM
To: AccessD (E-mail)
Subject: [AccessD] Slightly OT: HTTPS question


List,

Does anyone know if IE 5xx has any issues with accessing https sites?  I'm
pretty sure I can get them on my home PC but I've got a laptop here at the
office that serves up "page not found" errors on two of our sites (one a web
app, the other a Citrix server).

Thanks,

Jim DeMarco
Director Application Development
Hudson Health Plan
Tarrytown, NY



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From cyx5 at cdc.gov  Wed Sep  1 07:18:57 2004
From: cyx5 at cdc.gov (Nicholson, Karen)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 08:18:57 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Get User Name
Message-ID: <A5B5AA20555F594BA7B6BD2048E49E43840646@m-niosh-5.niosh.cdc.gov>

It is great to be back on the list and working with Access again.  It
has been a while.  I am looking for the user defined function to grab
the network user name or id.  I have inherited an Access 2002/SQL 2000
back-end database run completely by macros with a pretty bad password
scenario.  This should keep me busy for a while.

Karen Nicholson
National Laboratory
Xerox Global Services




From bheid at appdevgrp.com  Wed Sep  1 07:33:40 2004
From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 08:33:40 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Get User Name
In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30962AAD@ADGSERVER>
Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA305BB7AD@ADGSERVER>

Hi Karen,

I use this (note that I did not write this):

Private Declare Function GetUserName Lib "advapi32.dll" Alias _
    "GetUserNameA" (ByVal lpBuffer As String, nSize As Long) As Long

' Returns the network login name or 'Admin' if api call fails
Public Function GetOSUserName() As String
Dim lngLen  	As Long
Dim lngX    	As Long
Dim strUserName 	As String

   On Error GoTo Proc_Err

   strUserName = String$(254, 0)
   lngLen = 255
   lngX = GetUserName(strUserName, lngLen)
   If lngX <> 0 Then
      GetOSUserName = Left$(strUserName, lngLen - 1)
      Else
         GetOSUserName = "ADMIN"
      End If
   
Proc_Exit:
   Exit Function
    
Proc_Err:
    MsgBox Err.Number & " - " & Err.Description, vbExclamation + vbOKOnly ,
"GetOSUserName"
   Resume Proc_Exit

End Function

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Nicholson, Karen
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 8:19 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Get User Name


It is great to be back on the list and working with Access again.  It has
been a while.  I am looking for the user defined function to grab the
network user name or id.  I have inherited an Access 2002/SQL 2000 back-end
database run completely by macros with a pretty bad password scenario.  This
should keep me busy for a while.

Karen Nicholson
National Laboratory
Xerox Global Services


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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Wed Sep  1 07:35:01 2004
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2004 22:35:01 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Get User Name
In-Reply-To: <A5B5AA20555F594BA7B6BD2048E49E43840646@m-niosh-5.niosh.cdc.gov>
Message-ID: <41364E95.3834.4E48C09@lexacorp.com.pg>

On 1 Sep 2004 at 8:18, Nicholson, Karen wrote:

> It is great to be back on the list and working with Access again.  It
> has been a while.  I am looking for the user defined function to grab
> the network user name or id.  I have inherited an Access 2002/SQL 2000
> back-end database run completely by macros with a pretty bad password
> scenario.  This should keep me busy for a while.
> 

Declare Function GetUserName Lib "advapi32.dll" Alias "GetUserNameA" (ByVal 
lpBuffer As String, nSize As Long) As Long

Function UserName() As String
	Dim strUName As String
	Dim lngResponse As Long
	UNAME = Space$(32)
	lngResponse = GetUserName(strUName, 32)
	strUName = Trim$(strUName)
	UserName = Left$(strUName, Len(strUName) - 1)  'strip Chr$(0) from end of 
name
End Function

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From carbonnb at gmail.com  Wed Sep  1 07:57:06 2004
From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 08:57:06 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Get User Name
In-Reply-To: <A5B5AA20555F594BA7B6BD2048E49E43840646@m-niosh-5.niosh.cdc.gov>
References: <A5B5AA20555F594BA7B6BD2048E49E43840646@m-niosh-5.niosh.cdc.gov>
Message-ID: <e04a6c9204090105577058ca8@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 08:18:57 -0400, Nicholson, Karen <cyx5 at cdc.gov> wrote:
> It is great to be back on the list and working with Access again.  It
> has been a while.  I am looking for the user defined function to grab
> the network user name or id.  I have inherited an Access 2002/SQL 2000
> back-end database run completely by macros with a pretty bad password
> scenario.  This should keep me busy for a while.

The functions that Bobby and Stuart posted are fine for a windows
network, but if you are on a Novell network this will get you the
NovellID

'*+ Module API declarations
  Private Declare Function NWCallsInit Lib "calwin32" _
    (reserved1 As Byte, reserved2 As Byte) As Long
  Private Declare Function NWDSCreateContextHandle Lib "netwin32" _
    (newHandle As Long) As Long
  Private Declare Function NWDSWhoAmI Lib "netwin32" _
    (ByVal context As Long, ByVal objectName As String) As Long
  Private Declare Function NWDSFreeContext Lib "netwin32" _
    (ByVal context As Long) As Long
'*- Module API declarations

Function fGetNovellUserName() As String
'--------------------------------------------------------------------------
'.Purpose      : To get Novell User Name
'.Author       : Bryan Carbonnell
'.Date         : 3-May-2002
'.Called by    : frmUser Form_Open Event
'.Calls        : NWCallsInit - API
'.               NWDSCreateContextHandle - API
'.               NWDSFreeContext - API
'.Revised      : 3-May-2002 - Original
'--------------------------------------------------------------------------

On Error GoTo fGetNovellUserName_Error

Dim lngContextCode   As Long
Dim lngContext As Long
Dim strMyName As String

' allocate space for user name
  On Error GoTo fGetNovellUserName_Error

strMyName = Space(255)

' initialize NetWare client
lngContextCode = NWCallsInit(0, 0)

If lngContextCode <> 0 Then
  'NW Client cannot be initialised, so we can't get the User Name
  fGetNovellUserName = "NWCallsInit() - Cannot initialize"
Else
  ' a context is req'd for all NDS functions
  lngContextCode = NWDSCreateContextHandle(lngContext)
  If lngContextCode = 0 Then
    'We have a valid Context, so we can do stuff
    ' now, get my name
    lngContextCode = NWDSWhoAmI(lngContext, strMyName)
    'Change to return username
    If lngContextCode = 0 Then
      strMyName = Left(strMyName, (InStr(strMyName, Chr(0)) - 1))
      strMyName = Mid(strMyName, 4)
      fGetNovellUserName = strMyName
    End If
    ' clean-up
    lngContextCode = NWDSFreeContext(lngContext)
  End If
End If

Exit_fGetNovellUserName:

  On Error GoTo 0
  Exit Function

'Error Handler
fGetNovellUserName_Error:

'Display Error Message
MsgBox "Error " & Err.Number & " (" & Err.Description & _
          ") in procedure " & .ProcedureName & " of " & .ModuleName
'Exit the procedure properly
Resume Exit_fGetNovellUserName
'For Debugging
Resume

End Function



-- 
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Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well
preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
shouting "What a great ride!"


From markamatte at hotmail.com  Wed Sep  1 08:29:40 2004
From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte)
Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2004 13:29:40 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Every 100th record
Message-ID: <BAY1-F398xZzBbBdR9y0005f5df@hotmail.com>

Arthur,

First...congrats on the new contract...second...for this contract...do the 
queries you are optimizing need to be real time... or can they be on data 
prior to today(or what is the acceptable lag time)?

Just curious...

Thanks,

Mark


>From: "Arthur Fuller" <artful at rogers.com>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving'"<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Every 100th record
>Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 19:32:55 -0400
>
>Just to put things in perspective, JC, the first client of the people
>who developed MySQL had 60M rows in their principal table. There are
>lots of apps way bigger than that. I once had a client that was adding
>10M rows per month to the table of concern (this was an app recording
>seismic activity from several hundred meters). I must caution you that
>you should not use the term VLDB as loosely as you have been using it.
>You don't know the meaning of VLDB -- not yet at least. You're beginning
>to appreciate the turf, however. Once I bid on a project that had 100M
>rows each containing a graphic file. Not to say that size is everything,
>but IMO VLDB comprises at least a TB, and often many hundreds of TBs.
>
>I just got a contract with a company using MySQL whose test database's
>most important table comprises 100M rows. They expect their clients to
>have 10* as many rows. My job is to optimize the queries. Fortunately, I
>can assume any hardware I deem necessary to do it. They are after
>sub-second retrieves against 1B rows, with maybe 1000 users. Life's a
>beach and then you drown. I don't know if I can deliver what they want,
>but what I can deliver is benchmarks against the various DBs that I'm
>comfortable with -- SQL 2000, Oracle, MySQL and DB/2. I figure that if
>none of them can do it, I'm off the hook :)
>
>The difficult part of this new assignment is that there's no way I can
>duplicate the hardware resources required to emulate the required
>system, so I have to assume that the benchmarks on my local system will
>hold up in a load-leveling 100-server environment -- at least until I
>have something worthy of installing and then test it in that
>environment.
>
>I sympathize and empathize with your situation, JC. It's amazing how
>many of our tried-and-true solutions go right out the window when you
>escalate the number of rows to 100M -- and then factor in multiple
>joins. Stuff that looks spectacular with only 1M rows suddenly sucks
>big-time when applied to 100M rows.
>
>Arthur
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby
>Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 7:13 AM
>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Every 100th record
>
>
>Paul,
>
>In fact I am trying to make this run on my home system which is part of
>the problem.  This week I am playing "stay-at-home dad" as my wife
>starts the chhool year this week and has all those 1st week teacher
>meetings / training.
>
>I have never come even close to a db this size and it has definitely
>been a learning experience.  Here's hoping I survive.
>
>John W. Colby
>www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Paul Rodgers
>Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 3:49 AM
>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Every 100th record
>
>
>65 million! What an amazing world you work it. Is there ever time in the
>week to pop home for an hour?
>Cheers paul
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
>Sent: 27 August 2004 16:39
>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Every 100th record
>
>
>Gustav,
>
>I am working on a SQL Server database of about 65 million records.  We
>need to pull a subset of those for doing counts of data in specific
>fields. Trying to do that analysis on the entire 65 million records just
>won't work at least in anything close to realtime.  Thus we literally
>want to pull every Nth record.  If we pulled every 100th record into a
>table that would give a sampling of 650K records to run this analysis
>on.  That still won't be lightning fast but at least doable.
>
>John W. Colby
>www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
>Sent: Friday, August 27, 2004 11:22 AM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Every 100th record
>
>
>Hi John
>
>
> > Does anyone have a strategy for pulling every Nth record?  My client
> > wants to pull every 100th record into a dataset for analysis, to speed
>
> > things up I am guessing.
>
>To speed up what? Analysis on a sample only and not on the full set?
>
>If so, you could select by "Random Between 1 To 100" = 1.
>
>/gustav
>
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Sep  1 08:52:11 2004
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 15:52:11 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Time zones (was: internationalization)
In-Reply-To: <11525103216.20040714155748@cactus.dk>
References: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8017A1F98@main2.marlow.com>
	<32007103843568110723d0567@global.net.pg>
	<11525103216.20040714155748@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <19626796821.20040901155211@cactus.dk>

Hi all

I just saw that Helen has published the part two of this horror code
and checked if anything had been changed - but no.

Just in case you should be involved in time zones, I will just say:
look everywhere else. 

But how do you US people deal with time zones? In Europe we seldom do
(the countries are too small) but you have to shift between Pacific
and Mountain etc. all day, except for local compannies, of course.

/gustav


> Hi all

> This topic popped up in all its glory in the recent issue of "Woody's
> Access Watch" where Helen Feddema is goofing around trying to parse
> date/time strings to figure out time zones. Of course, this dirty
> deroute is paved with traps so it doesn't work outside the US where
> other regional settings are used.

> Just in case anyone should have a need for dealing with time zones,
> here are a couple of functions we use. You'll quickly notice that
> essentially it is nothing more than a little clean up and one single
> line of code:

>   datRemote = DateAdd("n", lngBias, datLocal)

> If you have nothing to do Friday you may wish to browse Helen's demo:

>   ftp://ftp.helenfeddema.com/pub/accarch121.zip
  

> <code>

> Public Function TimeZoneBiasDiff( _
>   ByVal lngLocalTimeBias As Long, _
>   ByVal lngRemoteTimeBias As Long) _
>   As Long
  
> ' Calculates the difference in minutes between two time zones,
> ' typically the local time zone and a remote time zone.
> ' Both time zones must be expressed by their bias relative to
> ' UTC (Coordinated Universal Time) which is measured in minutes.
> '
> ' 2000-05-30. Cactus Data ApS, CPH.

>   ' Minimum amount of minutes for a time zone bias.
>   Const clngTimeZoneBiasMin As Long = 15

>   Dim lngTimeZoneBiasDiff As Long
  
>   ' Round off time zone bias by minimum time zone difference.
>   lngLocalTimeBias = lngLocalTimeBias \ clngTimeZoneBiasMin
>   lngLocalTimeBias = lngLocalTimeBias * clngTimeZoneBiasMin
>   lngRemoteTimeBias = lngRemoteTimeBias \ clngTimeZoneBiasMin
>   lngRemoteTimeBias = lngRemoteTimeBias * clngTimeZoneBiasMin
  
>   ' Calculate difference in time zone bias.
>   lngTimeZoneBiasDiff = lngRemoteTimeBias - lngLocalTimeBias
  
>   TimeZoneBiasDiff = lngTimeZoneBiasDiff

> End Function

> Public Function DateAddTimeZoneDiff( _
>   ByVal datLocal As Date, _
>   ByVal lngLocalBias, _
>   ByVal lngRemoteBias) _
>   As Date
  
> ' Calculates the date/time of datLocal in a remote time zone.
> ' The difference in minutes will be the difference between the
> ' local time zone bias and the remote time zone bias where the
> ' bias are relative to UTC.
> '
> ' Examples:
> '
> '   datRemote = DateAddTimeZoneDiff(Now(), 60, -600)
> ' will return datRemote as eleven hours behind local time.
> '
> '   datRemote = DateAddTimeZoneDiff(Now(), -600, 60)
> ' will return datRemote as eleven hours ahead of local time.
> '
> ' 2000-05-30. Cactus Data ApS, CPH.

>   Dim datRemote As Date
>   Dim lngBias   As Long
  
>   ' Get difference (in minutes) in time zone bias.
>   lngBias = TimeZoneBiasDiff(lngLocalBias, lngRemoteBias)
>   ' Calculate remote date/time.
>   datRemote = DateAdd("n", lngBias, datLocal)
  
>   DateAddTimeZoneDiff = datRemote
  
> End Function

> </code>

> Also, note "GMT" has been considered obsolete for years and has for
> every serious use been replaced with UTC.

> /gustav


>> On 27 Nov 2002 at 15:45, Gustav Brock wrote:

>>> Hi Drew
>>> 
>>> > Thanks.  Next version I'll incorporate that.
>>> 
>>> OK.
>>> 
>>> > Time zones are pretty easy.  In fact, all of this date stuff is too.  The
>>> > only real monster is Arizona, which decreed to ignore daylight savings time.
>>> 
>>> So how DO you deal with the time zones?
>>> 
>>> I have seen no options in Access for this contrary to Oracle which can
>>> record date/time including the time zone.
>>> 
>>> My thought was to use a byte field with a shifted value similar to how
>>> MySQL can store a year value in a byte field ...
>>> 

>> You could get the Bias member of the Time_Zone_Information structure 
>> retrieved with the GetTimeZoneInformation API function and either 
>> apply it to the time in question or store it in another field as a 
>> long (or integer if space is critical)
>>
>> Stuart



From kaupca at chevrontexaco.com  Wed Sep  1 09:10:40 2004
From: kaupca at chevrontexaco.com (Kaup, Chester A)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 09:10:40 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Subform problem with detail section
Message-ID: <1375769556091B4DAABC159F944CA1BB0B046A@bocnte2k4.boc.chevrontexaco.net>

I have a subform on a main form. If I set the recordset type property to
snapshot I can see the records from the record source table but cannot
add records. If I set the recordset type to dynaset the detail section
of the subreport disappears. I believe dynaset will allow records to be
added but an invisible detail section is of no help. What do I have set
wrong? Thanks

Chester Kaup
Information Management Technician
IT-MidContinent/MidContinent Business Unit
CTN 8-687-7415  
Outside 432-687-7414

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From cyx5 at cdc.gov  Wed Sep  1 09:18:23 2004
From: cyx5 at cdc.gov (Nicholson, Karen)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 10:18:23 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Order By in Subform
Message-ID: <A5B5AA20555F594BA7B6BD2048E49E4384064D@m-niosh-5.niosh.cdc.gov>

Syntax, syntax.  The prior programmer used a pound sign in the subform
name.  I am trying to place on 'on click' event procedure to sort the
subform by the task number field.  I am getting a syntax error with this
code:

Me.[frmSortTask#].Form.OrderBy = "TaskNumber"
Me.[frmSortTask#].Form.OrderByOn = True

Any ideas?

Karen Nicholson
National Laboratory
Xerox Global Services




From bchacc at san.rr.com  Wed Sep  1 09:55:46 2004
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 07:55:46 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Order By in Subform
References: <A5B5AA20555F594BA7B6BD2048E49E4384064D@m-niosh-5.niosh.cdc.gov>
Message-ID: <010401c49033$c34e7fd0$6601a8c0@HAL9002>

Karen:

I think doing a global replace on the name would be the quickest way.  Do
you have Find and Replace, Speed Ferret or some other third party add-in?  I
use Find and Replace and that would change all the references even in the
object names.

HTH

Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
http://www.e-z-mrp.com


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Nicholson, Karen" <cyx5 at cdc.gov>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 7:18 AM
Subject: [AccessD] Order By in Subform


Syntax, syntax.  The prior programmer used a pound sign in the subform
name.  I am trying to place on 'on click' event procedure to sort the
subform by the task number field.  I am getting a syntax error with this
code:

Me.[frmSortTask#].Form.OrderBy = "TaskNumber"
Me.[frmSortTask#].Form.OrderByOn = True

Any ideas?

Karen Nicholson
National Laboratory
Xerox Global Services


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From cyx5 at cdc.gov  Wed Sep  1 10:03:48 2004
From: cyx5 at cdc.gov (Nicholson, Karen)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 11:03:48 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Order By in Subform
Message-ID: <A5B5AA20555F594BA7B6BD2048E49E4384064E@m-niosh-5.niosh.cdc.gov>

Got it.  Overthinking, I suppose.  This works:

Me.OrderBy = "tasknumber"
Me.OrderByOn = True

Any objections?

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Nicholson,
Karen
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 10:18 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Order By in Subform


Syntax, syntax.  The prior programmer used a pound sign in the subform
name.  I am trying to place on 'on click' event procedure to sort the
subform by the task number field.  I am getting a syntax error with this
code:

Me.[frmSortTask#].Form.OrderBy = "TaskNumber"
Me.[frmSortTask#].Form.OrderByOn = True

Any ideas?

Karen Nicholson
National Laboratory
Xerox Global Services


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From fhtapia at gmail.com  Wed Sep  1 10:35:54 2004
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 08:35:54 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Prompt after Form loads
In-Reply-To: <4314961823.20040901123456@cactus.dk>
References: <000501c4900e$25b38380$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25>
	<4314961823.20040901123456@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <b874372a040901083563fbbfa8@mail.gmail.com>

I will try this option Gustav, thanks :D. 

btw, Rocky... What I meant by autoload was that in the Form_Load event
I have code that loads data to the form. because it was in the
form_load event, the prompt was occuring before the user had a chance
to see the form.

On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 12:34:56 +0200, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
> Hi Andy and Francisco
> 
> I would suggest OnCurrent.
> To prevent multiple prompts, set a static flag:
> 
>   Static booIsPrompted As Boolean
> 
>   If booIsPrompted = False Then
>     ' Ask if you user wish to load data.
>     <code>
>     booIsPrompted = True
>   End If

-- 
-Francisco


From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed Sep  1 10:36:42 2004
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 08:36:42 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Time zones (was: internationalization)
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312A0B@infoserver01.infostat.local>

We don't generally deal with it except in our heads.  I've never had to
address it in an application, although probably I would use an offset to
UTC as well.

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 6:52 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Time zones (was: internationalization)


Hi all

I just saw that Helen has published the part two of this horror code and
checked if anything had been changed - but no.

Just in case you should be involved in time zones, I will just say: look
everywhere else. 

But how do you US people deal with time zones? In Europe we seldom do
(the countries are too small) but you have to shift between Pacific and
Mountain etc. all day, except for local compannies, of course.

/gustav


> Hi all

> This topic popped up in all its glory in the recent issue of "Woody's 
> Access Watch" where Helen Feddema is goofing around trying to parse 
> date/time strings to figure out time zones. Of course, this dirty 
> deroute is paved with traps so it doesn't work outside the US where 
> other regional settings are used.

> Just in case anyone should have a need for dealing with time zones, 
> here are a couple of functions we use. You'll quickly notice that 
> essentially it is nothing more than a little clean up and one single 
> line of code:

>   datRemote = DateAdd("n", lngBias, datLocal)

> If you have nothing to do Friday you may wish to browse Helen's demo:

>   ftp://ftp.helenfeddema.com/pub/accarch121.zip
  

> <code>

> Public Function TimeZoneBiasDiff( _
>   ByVal lngLocalTimeBias As Long, _
>   ByVal lngRemoteTimeBias As Long) _
>   As Long
  
> ' Calculates the difference in minutes between two time zones, ' 
> typically the local time zone and a remote time zone. ' Both time 
> zones must be expressed by their bias relative to ' UTC (Coordinated 
> Universal Time) which is measured in minutes. '
> ' 2000-05-30. Cactus Data ApS, CPH.

>   ' Minimum amount of minutes for a time zone bias.
>   Const clngTimeZoneBiasMin As Long = 15

>   Dim lngTimeZoneBiasDiff As Long
  
>   ' Round off time zone bias by minimum time zone difference.
>   lngLocalTimeBias = lngLocalTimeBias \ clngTimeZoneBiasMin
>   lngLocalTimeBias = lngLocalTimeBias * clngTimeZoneBiasMin
>   lngRemoteTimeBias = lngRemoteTimeBias \ clngTimeZoneBiasMin
>   lngRemoteTimeBias = lngRemoteTimeBias * clngTimeZoneBiasMin
  
>   ' Calculate difference in time zone bias.
>   lngTimeZoneBiasDiff = lngRemoteTimeBias - lngLocalTimeBias
  
>   TimeZoneBiasDiff = lngTimeZoneBiasDiff

> End Function

> Public Function DateAddTimeZoneDiff( _
>   ByVal datLocal As Date, _
>   ByVal lngLocalBias, _
>   ByVal lngRemoteBias) _
>   As Date
  
> ' Calculates the date/time of datLocal in a remote time zone. ' The 
> difference in minutes will be the difference between the ' local time 
> zone bias and the remote time zone bias where the ' bias are relative 
> to UTC. '
> ' Examples:
> '
> '   datRemote = DateAddTimeZoneDiff(Now(), 60, -600)
> ' will return datRemote as eleven hours behind local time.
> '
> '   datRemote = DateAddTimeZoneDiff(Now(), -600, 60)
> ' will return datRemote as eleven hours ahead of local time.
> '
> ' 2000-05-30. Cactus Data ApS, CPH.

>   Dim datRemote As Date
>   Dim lngBias   As Long
  
>   ' Get difference (in minutes) in time zone bias.
>   lngBias = TimeZoneBiasDiff(lngLocalBias, lngRemoteBias)
>   ' Calculate remote date/time.
>   datRemote = DateAdd("n", lngBias, datLocal)
  
>   DateAddTimeZoneDiff = datRemote
  
> End Function

> </code>

> Also, note "GMT" has been considered obsolete for years and has for 
> every serious use been replaced with UTC.

> /gustav


>> On 27 Nov 2002 at 15:45, Gustav Brock wrote:

>>> Hi Drew
>>> 
>>> > Thanks.  Next version I'll incorporate that.
>>> 
>>> OK.
>>> 
>>> > Time zones are pretty easy.  In fact, all of this date stuff is 
>>> > too.  The only real monster is Arizona, which decreed to ignore 
>>> > daylight savings time.
>>> 
>>> So how DO you deal with the time zones?
>>> 
>>> I have seen no options in Access for this contrary to Oracle which 
>>> can record date/time including the time zone.
>>> 
>>> My thought was to use a byte field with a shifted value similar to 
>>> how MySQL can store a year value in a byte field ...
>>> 

>> You could get the Bias member of the Time_Zone_Information structure
>> retrieved with the GetTimeZoneInformation API function and either 
>> apply it to the time in question or store it in another field as a 
>> long (or integer if space is critical)
>>
>> Stuart

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From fhtapia at gmail.com  Wed Sep  1 10:41:20 2004
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 08:41:20 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Prompt after Form loads
In-Reply-To: <b874372a040901083563fbbfa8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <000501c4900e$25b38380$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25>
	<4314961823.20040901123456@cactus.dk>
	<b874372a040901083563fbbfa8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b874372a04090108414048fe37@mail.gmail.com>

Just tried it and the OnCurrent event also fires before the form is
loaded :(, gonna try the OnTimmer...

On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 08:35:54 -0700, Francisco Tapia <fhtapia at gmail.com> wrote:
> I will try this option Gustav, thanks :D.
> 
> btw, Rocky... What I meant by autoload was that in the Form_Load event
> I have code that loads data to the form. because it was in the
> form_load event, the prompt was occuring before the user had a chance
> to see the form.
> 
> On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 12:34:56 +0200, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
> > Hi Andy and Francisco
> >
> > I would suggest OnCurrent.
> > To prevent multiple prompts, set a static flag:
> >
> >   Static booIsPrompted As Boolean
> >
> >   If booIsPrompted = False Then
> >     ' Ask if you user wish to load data.
> >     <code>
> >     booIsPrompted = True
> >   End If
> 
> --
> -Francisco
> 


-- 
-Francisco


From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Sep  1 10:54:01 2004
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 17:54:01 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Time zones (was: internationalization)
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312A0B@infoserver01.infostat.local>
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312A0B@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <10834106562.20040901175401@cactus.dk>

Hi Charlotte

Really? But "nation wide" corporations exist - and the dates of
Honolulu and Miami can be a date apart for many hours?

/gustav


> We don't generally deal with it except in our heads.  I've never had to
> address it in an application, although probably I would use an offset to
> UTC as well.



From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Sep  1 10:56:04 2004
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 17:56:04 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Prompt after Form loads
In-Reply-To: <b874372a04090108414048fe37@mail.gmail.com>
References: <000501c4900e$25b38380$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25>
	<4314961823.20040901123456@cactus.dk>
	<b874372a040901083563fbbfa8@mail.gmail.com>
	<b874372a04090108414048fe37@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9234229188.20040901175604@cactus.dk>

Hi Francisco

Yes, that's right ...
But replace the Boolean with a counter: one, two ...

/gustav


> Just tried it and the OnCurrent event also fires before the form is
> loaded :(, gonna try the OnTimmer...

> On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 08:35:54 -0700, Francisco Tapia <fhtapia at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I will try this option Gustav, thanks :D.
>> 
>> btw, Rocky... What I meant by autoload was that in the Form_Load event
>> I have code that loads data to the form. because it was in the
>> form_load event, the prompt was occuring before the user had a chance
>> to see the form.
>> 
>> On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 12:34:56 +0200, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
>> > Hi Andy and Francisco
>> >
>> > I would suggest OnCurrent.
>> > To prevent multiple prompts, set a static flag:
>> >
>> >   Static booIsPrompted As Boolean
>> >
>> >   If booIsPrompted = False Then
>> >     ' Ask if you user wish to load data.
>> >     <code>
>> >     booIsPrompted = True
>> >   End If



From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed Sep  1 11:11:44 2004
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 09:11:44 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Time zones (was: internationalization)
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312A0C@infoserver01.infostat.local>

World wide corporations exist too.  We generally look at the clock to
see whether we can reach one of our clients in the North Sea or Yemen or
Canada or South America.  What are you envisioning?  In our business,
the relative times aren't relevant, only the local time is important, so
we don't have to worry about it.

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 8:54 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Time zones (was: internationalization)


Hi Charlotte

Really? But "nation wide" corporations exist - and the dates of Honolulu
and Miami can be a date apart for many hours?

/gustav


> We don't generally deal with it except in our heads.  I've never had 
> to address it in an application, although probably I would use an 
> offset to UTC as well.

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From fhtapia at gmail.com  Wed Sep  1 11:28:51 2004
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 09:28:51 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Prompt after Form loads
In-Reply-To: <b874372a04090108414048fe37@mail.gmail.com>
References: <000501c4900e$25b38380$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25>
	<4314961823.20040901123456@cactus.dk>
	<b874372a040901083563fbbfa8@mail.gmail.com>
	<b874372a04090108414048fe37@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b874372a040901092877447d30@mail.gmail.com>

On Timmer w/ a static variable is what I ended up using (plus after it
fires I shoot the timer interval to 2hrs (more than enough time)  so
it hopefully won't fire again until after their session is done.

On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 08:41:20 -0700, Francisco Tapia <fhtapia at gmail.com> wrote:
> Just tried it and the OnCurrent event also fires before the form is
> loaded :(, gonna try the OnTimmer...
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 08:35:54 -0700, Francisco Tapia <fhtapia at gmail.com> wrote:
> > I will try this option Gustav, thanks :D.
> >
> > btw, Rocky... What I meant by autoload was that in the Form_Load event
> > I have code that loads data to the form. because it was in the
> > form_load event, the prompt was occuring before the user had a chance
> > to see the form.
> >
> > On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 12:34:56 +0200, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
> > > Hi Andy and Francisco
> > >
> > > I would suggest OnCurrent.
> > > To prevent multiple prompts, set a static flag:
> > >
> > >   Static booIsPrompted As Boolean
> > >
> > >   If booIsPrompted = False Then
> > >     ' Ask if you user wish to load data.
> > >     <code>
> > >     booIsPrompted = True
> > >   End If
> >
> > --
> > -Francisco
> >
> 
> 
> --
> -Francisco
> 


-- 
-Francisco


From fhtapia at gmail.com  Wed Sep  1 11:32:23 2004
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 09:32:23 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Time zones (was: internationalization)
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312A0C@infoserver01.infostat.local>
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312A0C@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <b874372a040901093229ec7fa4@mail.gmail.com>

Here is an issue that I never quite took into consideration:  In a
(now in production) database all times are stored as UTC, however to
display I AM using an Offset of the local time, however if i were to
query an "OLDER" timeframe that was outside the scope of the daylights
savigns, then my math would be incorrect right?

How would you manage that?  would it be wise to wrap the date inside a
function that could distinguish the daylights savings w/ non for the
local area?  This way the dates not shift between daylights and
non-daylights savings schedules.



On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 09:11:44 -0700, Charlotte Foust
<cfoust at infostatsystems.com> wrote:
> World wide corporations exist too.  We generally look at the clock to
> see whether we can reach one of our clients in the North Sea or Yemen or
> Canada or South America.  What are you envisioning?  In our business,
> the relative times aren't relevant, only the local time is important, so
> we don't have to worry about it.
> 
> Charlotte Foust
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 8:54 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Time zones (was: internationalization)
> 
> Hi Charlotte
> 
> Really? But "nation wide" corporations exist - and the dates of Honolulu
> and Miami can be a date apart for many hours?
> 
> /gustav
> 
> > We don't generally deal with it except in our heads.  I've never had
> > to address it in an application, although probably I would use an
> > offset to UTC as well.
> 
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Sep  1 11:48:39 2004
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 18:48:39 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Time zones (was: internationalization)
In-Reply-To: <b874372a040901093229ec7fa4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312A0C@infoserver01.infostat.local>
	<b874372a040901093229ec7fa4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2337384085.20040901184839@cactus.dk>

Hi Francisco

Well, to Charlotte this seems to be no problem, but it was
considerations as those you describe I was thinking of.

So far my thoughts would be to store date/time as UTC time, then do
the conversion (shift) later to whatever time zone you may need.
But what is your question really? Daylight savings is just another
twist to time zone issues. And remember, some time zones are offset by
30 or even 15 minutes only.

Did you see my code previously posted (2004-07-14)?

/gustav


> Here is an issue that I never quite took into consideration:  In a
> (now in production) database all times are stored as UTC, however to
> display I AM using an Offset of the local time, however if i were to
> query an "OLDER" timeframe that was outside the scope of the daylights
> savigns, then my math would be incorrect right?

> How would you manage that?  would it be wise to wrap the date inside a
> function that could distinguish the daylights savings w/ non for the
> local area?  This way the dates not shift between daylights and
> non-daylights savings schedules.



> On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 09:11:44 -0700, Charlotte Foust
> <cfoust at infostatsystems.com> wrote:
>> World wide corporations exist too.  We generally look at the clock to
>> see whether we can reach one of our clients in the North Sea or Yemen or
>> Canada or South America.  What are you envisioning?  In our business,
>> the relative times aren't relevant, only the local time is important, so
>> we don't have to worry about it.
>> 
>> Charlotte Foust
>> 
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk]
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 8:54 AM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Time zones (was: internationalization)
>> 
>> Hi Charlotte
>> 
>> Really? But "nation wide" corporations exist - and the dates of Honolulu
>> and Miami can be a date apart for many hours?
>> 
>> /gustav
>> 
>> > We don't generally deal with it except in our heads.  I've never had
>> > to address it in an application, although probably I would use an
>> > offset to UTC as well.



From fhtapia at gmail.com  Wed Sep  1 11:56:49 2004
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 09:56:49 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Prompt after Form loads
In-Reply-To: <9234229188.20040901175604@cactus.dk>
References: <000501c4900e$25b38380$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25>
	<4314961823.20040901123456@cactus.dk>
	<b874372a040901083563fbbfa8@mail.gmail.com>
	<b874372a04090108414048fe37@mail.gmail.com>
	<9234229188.20040901175604@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <b874372a04090109563e5029f2@mail.gmail.com>

Why a counter?

On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 17:56:04 +0200, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
> Hi Francisco
> 
> Yes, that's right ...
> But replace the Boolean with a counter: one, two ...
> 
 -- 
-Francisco


From fhtapia at gmail.com  Wed Sep  1 12:08:26 2004
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 10:08:26 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Subform problem with detail section
In-Reply-To: <1375769556091B4DAABC159F944CA1BB0B046A@bocnte2k4.boc.chevrontexaco.net>
References: <1375769556091B4DAABC159F944CA1BB0B046A@bocnte2k4.boc.chevrontexaco.net>
Message-ID: <b874372a04090110085bc08a4@mail.gmail.com>

Sounds like you enabled the subform for dataentry, which Will NOT show
your records, only new records can be added when in this mode.  This
mode is useful for adding new records but not if you're trying to
edit/add for that I suggest you visit your form properties under the
data tab, disable data entry.

On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 09:10:40 -0500, Kaup, Chester A
<kaupca at chevrontexaco.com> wrote:
> I have a subform on a main form. If I set the recordset type property to
> snapshot I can see the records from the record source table but cannot
> add records. If I set the recordset type to dynaset the detail section
> of the subreport disappears. I believe dynaset will allow records to be
> added but an invisible detail section is of no help. What do I have set
> wrong? Thanks



-- 
-Francisco


From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Sep  1 12:11:43 2004
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 19:11:43 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Prompt after Form loads
In-Reply-To: <b874372a04090109563e5029f2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <000501c4900e$25b38380$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25>
	<4314961823.20040901123456@cactus.dk>
	<b874372a040901083563fbbfa8@mail.gmail.com>
	<b874372a04090108414048fe37@mail.gmail.com>
	<9234229188.20040901175604@cactus.dk>
	<b874372a04090109563e5029f2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <15538768786.20040901191143@cactus.dk>

Hi Francisco

> Why a counter?

Form loads => 1
Form hits current first time => 2

So:

  If lngCounter = 2 then
    <your code>
  End If
  lngCounter = lngCounter + 1

/gustav

>> But replace the Boolean with a counter: one, two ...



From CMackin at Quiznos.com  Wed Sep  1 12:25:15 2004
From: CMackin at Quiznos.com (Mackin, Christopher)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 11:25:15 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Prompt after Form loads
Message-ID: <EBEA2FA1665EDA40A600D92C87B9B4CE020C14@snowmass.quiznos.net>

Why not set the timerinterval to zero so it's guaranteed to not fire again?

-Chris Mackin

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Francisco
Tapia
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 10:29 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Prompt after Form loads


On Timmer w/ a static variable is what I ended up using (plus after it
fires I shoot the timer interval to 2hrs (more than enough time)  so
it hopefully won't fire again until after their session is done.

On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 08:41:20 -0700, Francisco Tapia <fhtapia at gmail.com> wrote:
> Just tried it and the OnCurrent event also fires before the form is
> loaded :(, gonna try the OnTimmer...
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 08:35:54 -0700, Francisco Tapia <fhtapia at gmail.com> wrote:
> > I will try this option Gustav, thanks :D.
> >
> > btw, Rocky... What I meant by autoload was that in the Form_Load event
> > I have code that loads data to the form. because it was in the
> > form_load event, the prompt was occuring before the user had a chance
> > to see the form.
> >
> > On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 12:34:56 +0200, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
> > > Hi Andy and Francisco
> > >
> > > I would suggest OnCurrent.
> > > To prevent multiple prompts, set a static flag:
> > >
> > >   Static booIsPrompted As Boolean
> > >
> > >   If booIsPrompted = False Then
> > >     ' Ask if you user wish to load data.
> > >     <code>
> > >     booIsPrompted = True
> > >   End If
> >
> > --
> > -Francisco
> >
> 
> 
> --
> -Francisco
> 


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From kaupca at chevrontexaco.com  Wed Sep  1 12:33:30 2004
From: kaupca at chevrontexaco.com (Kaup, Chester A)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 12:33:30 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Subform problem with detail section
Message-ID: <1375769556091B4DAABC159F944CA1BB07A193@bocnte2k4.boc.chevrontexaco.net>

Guess I did not make it clear. I only want to be able to add new records
not see the existing records. The problem is that none of the list boxes
or text boxes in the detail section show up to enter data into.

Chester Kaup
Information Management Technician
IT-MidContinent/MidContinent Business Unit
CTN 8-687-7415  
Outside 432-687-7414

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number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. 




-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Francisco
Tapia
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 12:08 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Subform problem with detail section


Sounds like you enabled the subform for dataentry, which Will NOT show
your records, only new records can be added when in this mode.  This
mode is useful for adding new records but not if you're trying to
edit/add for that I suggest you visit your form properties under the
data tab, disable data entry.

On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 09:10:40 -0500, Kaup, Chester A
<kaupca at chevrontexaco.com> wrote:
> I have a subform on a main form. If I set the recordset type property 
> to snapshot I can see the records from the record source table but 
> cannot add records. If I set the recordset type to dynaset the detail 
> section of the subreport disappears. I believe dynaset will allow 
> records to be added but an invisible detail section is of no help. 
> What do I have set wrong? Thanks



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From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Sep  1 12:34:03 2004
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 19:34:03 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Prompt after Form loads
In-Reply-To: <15538768786.20040901191143@cactus.dk>
References: <000501c4900e$25b38380$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25>
	<4314961823.20040901123456@cactus.dk>
	<b874372a040901083563fbbfa8@mail.gmail.com>
	<b874372a04090108414048fe37@mail.gmail.com>
	<9234229188.20040901175604@cactus.dk>
	<b874372a04090109563e5029f2@mail.gmail.com>
	<15538768786.20040901191143@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <1640108342.20040901193403@cactus.dk>

Hi Francisco

Sorry, should of course be:

  If lngCounter = 1 then
    <your code>
  End If
  lngCounter = lngCounter + 1

or

  lngCounter = lngCounter + 1
  If lngCounter = 2 then
    <your code>
  End If

/gustav


>> Why a counter?

> Form loads => 1
> Form hits current first time => 2

> So:

>   If lngCounter = 2 then
>     <your code>
>   End If
>   lngCounter = lngCounter + 1

> /gustav

>>> But replace the Boolean with a counter: one, two ...



From fhtapia at gmail.com  Wed Sep  1 12:39:01 2004
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 10:39:01 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Time zones (was: internationalization)
In-Reply-To: <2337384085.20040901184839@cactus.dk>
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312A0C@infoserver01.infostat.local>
	<b874372a040901093229ec7fa4@mail.gmail.com>
	<2337384085.20040901184839@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <b874372a04090110397de1be32@mail.gmail.com>

No, but after a quick archive search I found it, thanks :D 
thanks Gustav, so to be clear, if I have a record from daylights
savings time, and I query it in NON-Daylights saving time, this code
will keep the record at it's accurate time, meaning

if It was processed in the summer  (GMT-8) at 4pm, and I query the
record in the Winter will the record show up processed at 4pm or 3pm?,
the UTC time stored in the db doesn't change, but when they query it,
will.

Thanks,


On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 18:48:39 +0200, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
> Hi Francisco
> 
> Well, to Charlotte this seems to be no problem, but it was
> considerations as those you describe I was thinking of.
> 
> So far my thoughts would be to store date/time as UTC time, then do
> the conversion (shift) later to whatever time zone you may need.
> But what is your question really? Daylight savings is just another
> twist to time zone issues. And remember, some time zones are offset by
> 30 or even 15 minutes only.
> 
> Did you see my code previously posted (2004-07-14)?
> 

-- 
-Francisco


From fhtapia at gmail.com  Wed Sep  1 12:41:17 2004
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 10:41:17 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Prompt after Form loads
In-Reply-To: <EBEA2FA1665EDA40A600D92C87B9B4CE020C14@snowmass.quiznos.net>
References: <EBEA2FA1665EDA40A600D92C87B9B4CE020C14@snowmass.quiznos.net>
Message-ID: <b874372a040901104119cd720b@mail.gmail.com>

AH! :D, thanks

On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 11:25:15 -0600, Mackin, Christopher
<cmackin at quiznos.com> wrote:
> Why not set the timerinterval to zero so it's guaranteed to not fire again?
> 
> -Chris Mackin
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Francisco
> Tapia
> Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 10:29 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Prompt after Form loads
> 
> On Timmer w/ a static variable is what I ended up using (plus after it
> fires I shoot the timer interval to 2hrs (more than enough time)  so
> it hopefully won't fire again until after their session is done.
> 
> On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 08:41:20 -0700, Francisco Tapia <fhtapia at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Just tried it and the OnCurrent event also fires before the form is
> > loaded :(, gonna try the OnTimmer...


-- 
-Francisco


From fhtapia at gmail.com  Wed Sep  1 12:45:49 2004
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 10:45:49 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Prompt after Form loads
In-Reply-To: <15538768786.20040901191143@cactus.dk>
References: <000501c4900e$25b38380$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25>
	<4314961823.20040901123456@cactus.dk>
	<b874372a040901083563fbbfa8@mail.gmail.com>
	<b874372a04090108414048fe37@mail.gmail.com>
	<9234229188.20040901175604@cactus.dk>
	<b874372a04090109563e5029f2@mail.gmail.com>
	<15538768786.20040901191143@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <b874372a04090110454bb34871@mail.gmail.com>

just the same I did it as a boolean static

so 
Static blnINIT As Boolean
IF blnINIT = FALSE then
   <code>
    blnINIT = TRUE
Endif

On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 19:11:43 +0200, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
> Hi Francisco
> 
> > Why a counter?
> 
> Form loads => 1
> Form hits current first time => 2
> 
> So:
> 
>   If lngCounter = 2 then
>     <your code>
>   End If
>   lngCounter = lngCounter + 1
> 
> /gustav
> 
> >> But replace the Boolean with a counter: one, two ...
> 
> 
> 
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-- 
-Francisco


From fhtapia at gmail.com  Wed Sep  1 12:48:17 2004
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 10:48:17 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Subform problem with detail section
In-Reply-To: <1375769556091B4DAABC159F944CA1BB07A193@bocnte2k4.boc.chevrontexaco.net>
References: <1375769556091B4DAABC159F944CA1BB07A193@bocnte2k4.boc.chevrontexaco.net>
Message-ID: <b874372a0409011048793978aa@mail.gmail.com>

So then, is the Data Entry option enabled?, is the table you're adding
records to you have a Primary Key ID?

On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 12:33:30 -0500, Kaup, Chester A
<kaupca at chevrontexaco.com> wrote:
> Guess I did not make it clear. I only want to be able to add new records
> not see the existing records. The problem is that none of the list boxes
> or text boxes in the detail section show up to enter data into.

-- 
-Francisco


From adtp at touchtelindia.net  Wed Sep  1 12:57:30 2004
From: adtp at touchtelindia.net (A.D.Tejpal)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 23:27:30 +0530
Subject: [AccessD] Prompt after Form loads
References: <000501c4900e$25b38380$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25><4314961823.20040
	901123456@cactus.dk><b874372a040901083563fbbfa8@mail.gmail.com><b874372a040
	90108414048fe37@mail.gmail.com>
	<b874372a040901092877447d30@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <00c001c4904d$5dc1f3d0$571865cb@winxp>

Francisco,

    As far as practicable, it is considered desirable to avoid activation of form's timer. Following course of action is suggested.

    Use a plain temporary form (it need not have any controls at all) to open the main form (named F_Main). Put the code given below in Open event of this form. 

    Now, whenever you open the the temporary form, the main form will be displayed normally along with the prompt - as desired. (In the meanwhile the temporary form will close by itself - the user will not become aware of it).

Regards,
A.D.Tejpal
--------------
================================
Private Sub Form_Open(Cancel As Integer)
    DoCmd.OpenForm "F_Main"
    MsgBox "Pl Check The Values"
    Cancel = 1
End Sub
================================

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Francisco Tapia 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
  Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 21:58
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Prompt after Form loads


  On Timmer w/ a static variable is what I ended up using (plus after it
  fires I shoot the timer interval to 2hrs (more than enough time)  so
  it hopefully won't fire again until after their session is done.

  On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 08:41:20 -0700, Francisco Tapia <fhtapia at gmail.com> wrote:
  > Just tried it and the OnCurrent event also fires before the form is
  > loaded :(, gonna try the OnTimmer...
  > 
  > 
  > 
  > On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 08:35:54 -0700, Francisco Tapia <fhtapia at gmail.com> wrote:
  > > I will try this option Gustav, thanks :D.
  > >
  > > btw, Rocky... What I meant by autoload was that in the Form_Load event
  > > I have code that loads data to the form. because it was in the
  > > form_load event, the prompt was occuring before the user had a chance
  > > to see the form.
  > >
  > > On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 12:34:56 +0200, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
  > > > Hi Andy and Francisco
  > > >
  > > > I would suggest OnCurrent.
  > > > To prevent multiple prompts, set a static flag:
  > > >
  > > >   Static booIsPrompted As Boolean
  > > >
  > > >   If booIsPrompted = False Then
  > > >     ' Ask if you user wish to load data.
  > > >     <code>
  > > >     booIsPrompted = True
  > > >   End If
  > >
  > > --
  > > -Francisco
  > >
  > 
  > 
  > --
  > -Francisco
  > 


  -- 
  -Francisco


From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Sep  1 12:59:41 2004
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 19:59:41 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Prompt after Form loads
In-Reply-To: <b874372a04090110454bb34871@mail.gmail.com>
References: <000501c4900e$25b38380$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25>
	<4314961823.20040901123456@cactus.dk>
	<b874372a040901083563fbbfa8@mail.gmail.com>
	<b874372a04090108414048fe37@mail.gmail.com>
	<9234229188.20040901175604@cactus.dk>
	<b874372a04090109563e5029f2@mail.gmail.com>
	<15538768786.20040901191143@cactus.dk>
	<b874372a04090110454bb34871@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <141646033.20040901195941@cactus.dk>

Hi Francisco

It's not quite the same.
The counter counts to one, then runs your code.
No Timer fiddling.

/gustav


> just the same I did it as a boolean static

> so 
> Static blnINIT As Boolean
> IF blnINIT = FALSE then
>    <code>
>     blnINIT = TRUE
> Endif

> On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 19:11:43 +0200, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
>> Hi Francisco
>> 
>> > Why a counter?
>> 
>> Form loads => 1
>> Form hits current first time => 2
>> 
>> So:
>> 
>>   If lngCounter = 2 then
>>     <your code>
>>   End If
>>   lngCounter = lngCounter + 1
>> 
>> /gustav
>> 
>> >> But replace the Boolean with a counter: one, two ...



From Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org  Wed Sep  1 13:11:50 2004
From: Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 14:11:50 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Prompt after Form loads
Message-ID: <08F823FD83787D4BA0B99CA580AD3C74089B22@TTNEXCHCL2.hshhp.com>

A.D.

I don't know that I've ever used form's timer but why is it considered desirable to avoid?

Thanks,

Jim DeMarco

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of A.D.Tejpal
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 1:58 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Prompt after Form loads


Francisco,

    As far as practicable, it is considered desirable to avoid activation of form's timer. Following course of action is suggested.

    Use a plain temporary form (it need not have any controls at all) to open the main form (named F_Main). Put the code given below in Open event of this form. 

    Now, whenever you open the the temporary form, the main form will be displayed normally along with the prompt - as desired. (In the meanwhile the temporary form will close by itself - the user will not become aware of it).

Regards,
A.D.Tejpal
--------------
================================
Private Sub Form_Open(Cancel As Integer)
    DoCmd.OpenForm "F_Main"
    MsgBox "Pl Check The Values"
    Cancel = 1
End Sub
================================

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Francisco Tapia 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
  Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 21:58
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Prompt after Form loads


  On Timmer w/ a static variable is what I ended up using (plus after it
  fires I shoot the timer interval to 2hrs (more than enough time)  so
  it hopefully won't fire again until after their session is done.

  On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 08:41:20 -0700, Francisco Tapia <fhtapia at gmail.com> wrote:
  > Just tried it and the OnCurrent event also fires before the form is
  > loaded :(, gonna try the OnTimmer...
  > 
  > 
  > 
  > On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 08:35:54 -0700, Francisco Tapia <fhtapia at gmail.com> wrote:
  > > I will try this option Gustav, thanks :D.
  > >
  > > btw, Rocky... What I meant by autoload was that in the Form_Load event
  > > I have code that loads data to the form. because it was in the
  > > form_load event, the prompt was occuring before the user had a chance
  > > to see the form.
  > >
  > > On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 12:34:56 +0200, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
  > > > Hi Andy and Francisco
  > > >
  > > > I would suggest OnCurrent.
  > > > To prevent multiple prompts, set a static flag:
  > > >
  > > >   Static booIsPrompted As Boolean
  > > >
  > > >   If booIsPrompted = False Then
  > > >     ' Ask if you user wish to load data.
  > > >     <code>
  > > >     booIsPrompted = True
  > > >   End If
  > >
  > > --
  > > -Francisco
  > >
  > 
  > 
  > --
  > -Francisco
  > 


  -- 
  -Francisco
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From ppeters1 at cce.umn.edu  Wed Sep  1 13:18:34 2004
From: ppeters1 at cce.umn.edu (Polly R Peterson)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 13:18:34 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] FW: Preparing Access Applications for Office 2003
	Conversion
Message-ID: <DCE82B0926109E4B986BF32CFA78495C119DC2@MAIL1.cce.local>

If any of you have experience/advice on this issue we would appreciate
your input.  Thanks in advance!
-Polly P.
________________________________________________________________________
___________________


PROBLEM:
Converting from Office XP to Office 2003 raises security warning
messages in Access .ADP applications that are delivered to users via a
standard image. 


CONVERSION SECURITY ISSUE:
When testing our .adp applications in an Office 2003 test environment,
we find the following results:

*	When macro security is set to high applications basically do not
function.
*	When macro security is set to medium, a security warning appears
at startup: 

"This file may not be safe if it contains code that was intended to harm
your computer.  Do you want to open the file or cancel the operation?"  

If you select 'open' then the application appears to function normally

*	When macro security is set to low: Everything appears to
function normally.


OUR PROPOSED SOLUTION:
Microsoft recommends setting Macro Security to medium or high in Access
applications.  After reading several articles, I'm leaning toward the
following solution:
Set Access macro security to medium and disable the security warning.
>From what I've read, it's possible for an administrator to do this via
Certificate Server on Windows 2000/2003 Server.  The administrator could
create a digital signature that would be valid across the domain.   This
digital signature certificate would essentially turn off the error
message you see if macro security settings are at medium.


QUESTIONS
1.	How can we best adopt Microsoft's security recommendations and
avoid this error message?
2.    Does our solution seem sensible?  Has anyone actually done this
before?  Are their details I'm overlooking?  How have others dealt with
this conversion?
3.    Where can we see what security level we are currently using in
Access 2002?  The Tools, Macro, Security path isn't an option in 2002
and I can't find much on Macro security in that environment.



SPECS:
We're currently running Office XP, Access 2002, MS Jet 4.0 sp 8
(4.0.8618.0), Security Level: ?

We're Migrating to Office 2003, Access 2003, MS Jet 4.0 sp 8
(4.0.8618.0), Security Level Medium


From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed Sep  1 13:21:43 2004
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 11:21:43 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Prompt after Form loads
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312A0E@infoserver01.infostat.local>

I've used them under protest, but they tend to cause screen flickers and
various other odd behavior and they fight with other form events.  The
form timer isn't implemented very well in Access, unlike the timer
controls you can use in VB.

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Jim DeMarco [mailto:Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 11:12 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Prompt after Form loads


A.D.

I don't know that I've ever used form's timer but why is it considered
desirable to avoid?

Thanks,

Jim DeMarco

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of A.D.Tejpal
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 1:58 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Prompt after Form loads


Francisco,

    As far as practicable, it is considered desirable to avoid
activation of form's timer. Following course of action is suggested.

    Use a plain temporary form (it need not have any controls at all) to
open the main form (named F_Main). Put the code given below in Open
event of this form. 

    Now, whenever you open the the temporary form, the main form will be
displayed normally along with the prompt - as desired. (In the meanwhile
the temporary form will close by itself - the user will not become aware
of it).

Regards,
A.D.Tejpal
--------------
================================
Private Sub Form_Open(Cancel As Integer)
    DoCmd.OpenForm "F_Main"
    MsgBox "Pl Check The Values"
    Cancel = 1
End Sub
================================

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Francisco Tapia 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
  Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 21:58
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Prompt after Form loads


  On Timmer w/ a static variable is what I ended up using (plus after it
  fires I shoot the timer interval to 2hrs (more than enough time)  so
  it hopefully won't fire again until after their session is done.

  On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 08:41:20 -0700, Francisco Tapia <fhtapia at gmail.com>
wrote:
  > Just tried it and the OnCurrent event also fires before the form is
  > loaded :(, gonna try the OnTimmer...
  > 
  > 
  > 
  > On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 08:35:54 -0700, Francisco Tapia
<fhtapia at gmail.com> wrote:
  > > I will try this option Gustav, thanks :D.
  > >
  > > btw, Rocky... What I meant by autoload was that in the Form_Load
event
  > > I have code that loads data to the form. because it was in the
  > > form_load event, the prompt was occuring before the user had a
chance
  > > to see the form.
  > >
  > > On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 12:34:56 +0200, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk>
wrote:
  > > > Hi Andy and Francisco
  > > >
  > > > I would suggest OnCurrent.
  > > > To prevent multiple prompts, set a static flag:
  > > >
  > > >   Static booIsPrompted As Boolean
  > > >
  > > >   If booIsPrompted = False Then
  > > >     ' Ask if you user wish to load data.
  > > >     <code>
  > > >     booIsPrompted = True
  > > >   End If
  > >
  > > --
  > > -Francisco
  > >
  > 
  > 
  > --
  > -Francisco
  > 


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From kaupca at chevrontexaco.com  Wed Sep  1 13:26:29 2004
From: kaupca at chevrontexaco.com (Kaup, Chester A)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 13:26:29 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Subform problem with detail section
Message-ID: <1375769556091B4DAABC159F944CA1BB07A194@bocnte2k4.boc.chevrontexaco.net>

So then, is the Data Entry option enabled?, YES
is the table you're adding records to you have a Primary Key ID? NO

What confuses me is the form works fine as a regular form but does not
work correctly when added to another form as a subform.

Thanks for the assistance.

Chester Kaup
Information Management Technician
IT-MidContinent/MidContinent Business Unit
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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Francisco
Tapia
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 12:48 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Subform problem with detail section


So then, is the Data Entry option enabled?, is the table you're adding
records to you have a Primary Key ID?

On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 12:33:30 -0500, Kaup, Chester A
<kaupca at chevrontexaco.com> wrote:
> Guess I did not make it clear. I only want to be able to add new 
> records not see the existing records. The problem is that none of the 
> list boxes or text boxes in the detail section show up to enter data 
> into.

-- 
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From fhtapia at gmail.com  Wed Sep  1 13:35:29 2004
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 11:35:29 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Prompt after Form loads
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312A0E@infoserver01.infostat.local>
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312A0E@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <b874372a04090111355e8e559@mail.gmail.com>

Agreed, I use them as a very last solution.  They do  CAUSE flickers,
and they interrupt other process as well.  Such as adverse behavoirs
when using a combo bx and you find that your dropdown doesn't stay
dropped, because the timer continues to fire off in the background :D


On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 11:21:43 -0700, Charlotte Foust
<cfoust at infostatsystems.com> wrote:
> I've used them under protest, but they tend to cause screen flickers and
> various other odd behavior and they fight with other form events.  The
> form timer isn't implemented very well in Access, unlike the timer
> controls you can use in VB.
> 
> Charlotte Foust


-- 
-Francisco


From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Sep  1 13:33:42 2004
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 20:33:42 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Time zones (was: internationalization)
In-Reply-To: <b874372a04090110397de1be32@mail.gmail.com>
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312A0C@infoserver01.infostat.local>
	<b874372a040901093229ec7fa4@mail.gmail.com>
	<2337384085.20040901184839@cactus.dk>
	<b874372a04090110397de1be32@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2443687429.20040901203342@cactus.dk>

Hi Francisco

> No, but after a quick archive search I found it, thanks :D

Fine.

> thanks Gustav, so to be clear, if I have a record from daylights
> savings time, and I query it in NON-Daylights saving time, this code
> will keep the record at it's accurate time, meaning
> if It was processed in the summer  (GMT-8) at 4pm, and I query the
> record in the Winter will the record show up processed at 4pm or 3pm?,
> the UTC time stored in the db doesn't change, but when they query it,
> will.

Access doesn't record any time zone or daylight savings info so "a
time is a time" as is when stored.
For your example, there would be a difference if measured by the hour
but normally you count by the day. If you need precise hour (or
really: minute count) you would need to either store the time zone
info in another field or convert the local time to UTC, and then,
whenever you need to read the data, either regard any time as local or
convert it from UTC to local.

This is at least how I see it. Perhaps Charlotte can suggest a simpler
approach?

/gustav


>> Well, to Charlotte this seems to be no problem, but it was
>> considerations as those you describe I was thinking of.
>> 
>> So far my thoughts would be to store date/time as UTC time, then do
>> the conversion (shift) later to whatever time zone you may need.
>> But what is your question really? Daylight savings is just another
>> twist to time zone issues. And remember, some time zones are offset by
>> 30 or even 15 minutes only.
>> 
>> Did you see my code previously posted (2004-07-14)?



From artful at rogers.com  Wed Sep  1 13:37:07 2004
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 14:37:07 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] BoY() and EoY() functions
Message-ID: <045701c49052$afd8b730$6501a8c0@rock>

I was positive that I had written these, but can't seem to find them.
BoY() accepts a date and returns the beginning of the year. EoY()
accepts a date and returns the end of the year. They must accept any
international system settings and return the desired dates in the same
format.

Anyone have them handy?

TIA,

Arthur



From fhtapia at gmail.com  Wed Sep  1 13:47:01 2004
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 11:47:01 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Subform problem with detail section
In-Reply-To: <1375769556091B4DAABC159F944CA1BB07A194@bocnte2k4.boc.chevrontexaco.net>
References: <1375769556091B4DAABC159F944CA1BB07A194@bocnte2k4.boc.chevrontexaco.net>
Message-ID: <b874372a040901114767a35984@mail.gmail.com>

It is my opinion, that you should have a PKID of some sort for table
you are adding records, if not a Surrogate Key, then at the very least
a Natural Key.  either is bether than NO key :D

On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 13:26:29 -0500, Kaup, Chester A
<kaupca at chevrontexaco.com> wrote:
> So then, is the Data Entry option enabled?, YES
> is the table you're adding records to you have a Primary Key ID? NO
> 
> What confuses me is the form works fine as a regular form but does not
> work correctly when added to another form as a subform.
> 
> Thanks for the assistance.


-- 
-Francisco


From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Sep  1 13:43:57 2004
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 20:43:57 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] FW: Preparing Access Applications for Office 2003
	Conversion
In-Reply-To: <DCE82B0926109E4B986BF32CFA78495C119DC2@MAIL1.cce.local>
References: <DCE82B0926109E4B986BF32CFA78495C119DC2@MAIL1.cce.local>
Message-ID: <9944302002.20040901204357@cactus.dk>

Hi Polly

Look up in the archive of April:

  Access 2003 Digital Certificate

/gustav


> If any of you have experience/advice on this issue we would appreciate
> your input.  Thanks in advance!
> -Polly P.
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ___________________


> PROBLEM:
> Converting from Office XP to Office 2003 raises security warning
> messages in Access .ADP applications that are delivered to users via a
> standard image. 


> CONVERSION SECURITY ISSUE:
> When testing our .adp applications in an Office 2003 test environment,
> we find the following results:

> *       When macro security is set to high applications basically do not
> function.
> *       When macro security is set to medium, a security warning appears
> at startup: 

> "This file may not be safe if it contains code that was intended to harm
> your computer.  Do you want to open the file or cancel the operation?"  

> If you select 'open' then the application appears to function normally

> *       When macro security is set to low: Everything appears to
> function normally.


> OUR PROPOSED SOLUTION:
> Microsoft recommends setting Macro Security to medium or high in Access
> applications.  After reading several articles, I'm leaning toward the
> following solution:
> Set Access macro security to medium and disable the security warning.
>>From what I've read, it's possible for an administrator to do this via
> Certificate Server on Windows 2000/2003 Server.  The administrator could
> create a digital signature that would be valid across the domain.   This
> digital signature certificate would essentially turn off the error
> message you see if macro security settings are at medium.


> QUESTIONS
> 1.      How can we best adopt Microsoft's security recommendations and
> avoid this error message?
> 2.    Does our solution seem sensible?  Has anyone actually done this
> before?  Are their details I'm overlooking?  How have others dealt with
> this conversion?
> 3.    Where can we see what security level we are currently using in
> Access 2002?  The Tools, Macro, Security path isn't an option in 2002
> and I can't find much on Macro security in that environment.



> SPECS:
> We're currently running Office XP, Access 2002, MS Jet 4.0 sp 8
> (4.0.8618.0), Security Level: ?

> We're Migrating to Office 2003, Access 2003, MS Jet 4.0 sp 8
> (4.0.8618.0), Security Level Medium



From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Sep  1 13:48:39 2004
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 20:48:39 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] BoY() and EoY() functions
In-Reply-To: <045701c49052$afd8b730$6501a8c0@rock>
References: <045701c49052$afd8b730$6501a8c0@rock>
Message-ID: <18444584619.20040901204839@cactus.dk>

Hi Arthur

BoY() is DateSerial(Year(datDate), 1, 1)
EoY() is DateSerial(Year(datDate) + 1, 1, 0)

They should really returns date/time values.
The format is up to you.

/gustav


> I was positive that I had written these, but can't seem to find them.
> BoY() accepts a date and returns the beginning of the year. EoY()
> accepts a date and returns the end of the year. They must accept any
> international system settings and return the desired dates in the same
> format.



From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Sep  1 13:53:36 2004
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 20:53:36 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Prompt after Form loads
In-Reply-To: <b874372a04090111355e8e559@mail.gmail.com>
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312A0E@infoserver01.infostat.local>
	<b874372a04090111355e8e559@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8444881516.20040901205336@cactus.dk>

Hi Francisco

> Agreed, I use them as a very last solution.  They do  CAUSE flickers,
> and they interrupt other process as well.  Such as adverse behavoirs
> when using a combo bx and you find that your dropdown doesn't stay
> dropped, because the timer continues to fire off in the background :D

Except in this case ... did you try the counter solution?
Works excellent here.

/gustav


> On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 11:21:43 -0700, Charlotte Foust
> <cfoust at infostatsystems.com> wrote:
>> I've used them under protest, but they tend to cause screen flickers and
>> various other odd behavior and they fight with other form events.  The
>> form timer isn't implemented very well in Access, unlike the timer
>> controls you can use in VB.
>> 
>> Charlotte Foust



From fhtapia at gmail.com  Wed Sep  1 14:03:52 2004
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 12:03:52 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Prompt after Form loads
In-Reply-To: <141646033.20040901195941@cactus.dk>
References: <000501c4900e$25b38380$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25>
	<4314961823.20040901123456@cactus.dk>
	<b874372a040901083563fbbfa8@mail.gmail.com>
	<b874372a04090108414048fe37@mail.gmail.com>
	<9234229188.20040901175604@cactus.dk>
	<b874372a04090109563e5029f2@mail.gmail.com>
	<15538768786.20040901191143@cactus.dk>
	<b874372a04090110454bb34871@mail.gmail.com>
	<141646033.20040901195941@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <b874372a04090112037664448c@mail.gmail.com>

I know but if I use the OnCurrent Event, it fires before the form is
even drawn up on the screen, I have code in the Form_Load event, and
added a simple "TEST" messagebox to the OnCurrent Event, and found
that it does not FIRE after the form is visible, instead the user will
be prompted IF they want to OverRide data w/ Defaults before they can
read the data, the Timmer control helps to avoid this.... :(

The code in the Form_Load Event opens recordsets to load into the
primary form, calls a subform and listbox to load.  When it ends, I'd
figure that the form would display but it does not. OnCurrent and
OnActivate also fire before the form is visible... so it appears that
the only solution is to leave this on the OnTimer event.

On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 19:59:41 +0200, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
> Hi Francisco
> 
> It's not quite the same.
> The counter counts to one, then runs your code.
> No Timer fiddling.
> 
> /gustav
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > just the same I did it as a boolean static
> 
> > so
> > Static blnINIT As Boolean
> > IF blnINIT = FALSE then
> >    <code>
> >     blnINIT = TRUE
> > Endif
> 
> > On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 19:11:43 +0200, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
> >> Hi Francisco
> >>
> >> > Why a counter?
> >>
> >> Form loads => 1
> >> Form hits current first time => 2
> >>
> >> So:
> >>
> >>   If lngCounter = 2 then
> >>     <your code>
> >>   End If
> >>   lngCounter = lngCounter + 1
> >>
> >> /gustav
> >>
> >> >> But replace the Boolean with a counter: one, two ...
> 
> --
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> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 


-- 
-Francisco


From kaupca at chevrontexaco.com  Wed Sep  1 14:43:21 2004
From: kaupca at chevrontexaco.com (Kaup, Chester A)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 14:43:21 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Subform problem with detail section
Message-ID: <1375769556091B4DAABC159F944CA1BB07A195@bocnte2k4.boc.chevrontexaco.net>

Added the primary key but text boxes and list boxes in the detail
section do not display.

Chester Kaup
Information Management Technician
IT-MidContinent/MidContinent Business Unit
CTN 8-687-7415  
Outside 432-687-7414

No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However a large
number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. 




-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Francisco
Tapia
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 1:47 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Subform problem with detail section


It is my opinion, that you should have a PKID of some sort for table you
are adding records, if not a Surrogate Key, then at the very least a
Natural Key.  either is bether than NO key :D

On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 13:26:29 -0500, Kaup, Chester A
<kaupca at chevrontexaco.com> wrote:
> So then, is the Data Entry option enabled?, YES
> is the table you're adding records to you have a Primary Key ID? NO
> 
> What confuses me is the form works fine as a regular form but does not

> work correctly when added to another form as a subform.
> 
> Thanks for the assistance.


-- 
-Francisco
-- 
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From fhtapia at gmail.com  Wed Sep  1 16:14:42 2004
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 14:14:42 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Prompt after Form loads
In-Reply-To: <8444881516.20040901205336@cactus.dk>
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312A0E@infoserver01.infostat.local>
	<b874372a04090111355e8e559@mail.gmail.com>
	<8444881516.20040901205336@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <b874372a04090114144f08610f@mail.gmail.com>

I tried the counter solution, and it fires before the form is "visible"

On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 20:53:36 +0200, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
> Hi Francisco
> 
> > Agreed, I use them as a very last solution.  They do  CAUSE flickers,
> > and they interrupt other process as well.  Such as adverse behavoirs
> > when using a combo bx and you find that your dropdown doesn't stay
> > dropped, because the timer continues to fire off in the background :D
> 
> Except in this case ... did you try the counter solution?
> Works excellent here.

-- 
-Francisco


From fhtapia at gmail.com  Wed Sep  1 16:17:08 2004
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 14:17:08 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Prompt after Form loads
In-Reply-To: <1D7828CDB8350747AFE9D69E0E90DA1F02D0888E@xlivmbx21.aig.com>
References: <1D7828CDB8350747AFE9D69E0E90DA1F02D0888E@xlivmbx21.aig.com>
Message-ID: <b874372a040901141728a54632@mail.gmail.com>

I have tried this as well, and I do get the "Hello" Message box,
however the user would have to click off the form and then back on
before they saw this message.... :|.

remember my production form does this:

Form Open -> set some object classes,
Form Load -> open recordsets load fields
Form Timer -> after 1ms, check if key data fields match defaults.

Access 2000 (ADP)

On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 16:57:50 -0400 , Heenan, Lambert
<lambert.heenan at aig.com> wrote:
> The Activate event should do the trick, you just need to keep tack of how
> many times it fires. I just tried this out with a form/subform setup, and
> the following code seems to work just fine
> 
> Private Sub Form_Activate()
>  Static lngLoaded As Long
>     lngLoaded = lngLoaded + 1
>     DoEvents
>     If lngLoaded > 1 Then MsgBox "Hello "
> End Sub
> 
> The DoEvents does not seem to be necessary, but I thought I'd put it in
> anyway.
> 
> What I found was that the entire form and subform was displayed with the
> exception of some controls on the form which have statements like this...
> 
> =Count([cFaceAmount])
> 
> ... in their control source property.
> 


-- 
-Francisco


From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com  Wed Sep  1 16:42:05 2004
From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark S. (Newport News))
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 17:42:05 -0400 
Subject: [AccessD] Access & AutoCAD
Message-ID: <BA209D7D3A20BE499AB726E4ED7A6DA1FCB6F5@nprdex02.nns.com>

Has anyone tackled this combination?  There is ONE example in the AutoCAD
samples folder.  There is ONE book that I found regarding database
connectivity (circa 1999).  ...and a DISTINCT lack of web-based material as
far as I can tell:(  I would be most appreciative for pointers towards any
of the following: recent books (AutoCAD 2002 or later), web-based tutorials,
web-based examples, personal examples, cave paintings...anything.

Thanks in advance for any/all information.

Mark
Conversely, I am willing to pay $40 to anyone willing to take the AutoCAD
help files and develop a booklet within the next 2 weeks, including a table
of contents, that will allow me to chronologically work my way through a
project.


From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Wed Sep  1 15:09:25 2004
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2004 13:09:25 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] FW: Preparing Access Applications for Office 2003
	Conversion
References: <DCE82B0926109E4B986BF32CFA78495C119DC2@MAIL1.cce.local>
Message-ID: <41362C75.4010302@shaw.ca>

I have handled it by turning security off in registry keys. Your net 
admin could handle this system wide.

HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Office\11.0\Access\Security\Level

If the value is 1, then the macro security of Access 2003 is set to low.
If the value is 2, then the macro security of Access 2003 is set to medium.
If the value is 3, then the macro security of Access 2003 is set to high.

Not sure if certmgr.exe to create certificate from Win2003 has to be 
created for each new version of the ADP
which could be a pain if doing a lot of mods.
See my post Re: [AccessD] Access 2003, Runtime, and Built-in Security
Aug 2 2004

You can check this registry key in code below
Not sure about Access 2002 version=10

If Application.Version >= 11 Then
'set it
   Application.AutomationSecurity = 1 ' msoAutomationSecurityLow
'or read it
   debug.print "Security level=" &   Application.AutomationSecurity
End If

Polly R Peterson wrote:

>If any of you have experience/advice on this issue we would appreciate
>your input.  Thanks in advance!
>-Polly P.
>________________________________________________________________________
>___________________
>
>
>PROBLEM:
>Converting from Office XP to Office 2003 raises security warning
>messages in Access .ADP applications that are delivered to users via a
>standard image. 
>
>
>CONVERSION SECURITY ISSUE:
>When testing our .adp applications in an Office 2003 test environment,
>we find the following results:
>
>*	When macro security is set to high applications basically do not
>function.
>*	When macro security is set to medium, a security warning appears
>at startup: 
>
>"This file may not be safe if it contains code that was intended to harm
>your computer.  Do you want to open the file or cancel the operation?"  
>
>If you select 'open' then the application appears to function normally
>
>*	When macro security is set to low: Everything appears to
>function normally.
>
>
>OUR PROPOSED SOLUTION:
>Microsoft recommends setting Macro Security to medium or high in Access
>applications.  After reading several articles, I'm leaning toward the
>following solution:
>Set Access macro security to medium and disable the security warning.
>>From what I've read, it's possible for an administrator to do this via
>Certificate Server on Windows 2000/2003 Server.  The administrator could
>create a digital signature that would be valid across the domain.   This
>digital signature certificate would essentially turn off the error
>message you see if macro security settings are at medium.
>
>
>QUESTIONS
>1.	How can we best adopt Microsoft's security recommendations and
>avoid this error message?
>2.    Does our solution seem sensible?  Has anyone actually done this
>before?  Are their details I'm overlooking?  How have others dealt with
>this conversion?
>3.    Where can we see what security level we are currently using in
>Access 2002?  The Tools, Macro, Security path isn't an option in 2002
>and I can't find much on Macro security in that environment.
>
>
>
>SPECS:
>We're currently running Office XP, Access 2002, MS Jet 4.0 sp 8
>(4.0.8618.0), Security Level: ?
>
>We're Migrating to Office 2003, Access 2003, MS Jet 4.0 sp 8
>(4.0.8618.0), Security Level Medium
>  
>

-- 
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada





From bchacc at san.rr.com  Wed Sep  1 17:24:02 2004
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 15:24:02 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Will an A2K MDE run unde A2003?
References: <001701c48fb3$d92f7320$6601a8c0@HAL9002>
	<b874372a04083117034bcc0def@mail.gmail.com>
	<00f801c48fd6$6f473f10$6601a8c0@HAL9002> <413570D0.8010209@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <024201c49072$628680f0$6601a8c0@HAL9002>

If I have to get Access 2003 do you know anything about how good the
deployment feature is?

Regards,

Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
http://www.e-z-mrp.com


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "MartyConnelly" <martyconnelly at shaw.ca>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 11:48 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Will an A2K MDE run unde A2003?


> SageKey has an MSI deployment script for Access 2003. $400  It also
> removes the need for a digital certificate.
> which might prove to be a problem or just a nuisance with Access 2000
> MDE running under 2003.
> I guess you will find out.
>
> Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software wrote:
>
> >For my market having Access is quite common.  So it's not really an
issue.
> >I've got Wise and could, I suppose, get the Sagekey script for A2K.  But
> >that's already 2 versions behind the latest.
> >
> >I understand that A2003 has a pretty decent deployment facility.  Yes?
> >
> >If this prospect wants the software and it will only run in A2003 I'll
get
> >A2003, and then I'll have a chance to test the deployment features.
> >
> >Rocky
> >
> >----- Original Message ----- 
> >From: "Francisco Tapia" <fhtapia at gmail.com>
> >To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> ><accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> >Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 5:03 PM
> >Subject: Re: [AccessD] Will an A2K MDE run unde A2003?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>I am curious as to why you don't deploy it w/ a runtime?, I mean you
> >>don't have it as opensource to allow the customer to work w/ the app.
> >>
> >>On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 16:40:07 -0700, Rocky Smolin - Beach Access
> >>Software <bchacc at san.rr.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>Dear List:
> >>>
> >>>I have to call a guy tomorrow morning and tell him whether my software
> >>>
> >>>
> >will work in Access 2003.  I compile it into an MDE under Access 2000.  I
> >know that MDE will run under Access 2002. Will the MDE run in 2003?
> >
> >
> >>>I also have Access 2002 which I could use to make an MDE.  Would an MDE
> >>>
> >>>
> >compiled under Access 2002 run under Access 2003?
> >
> >
> >>-- 
> >>-Francisco
> >>-- 
> >>_______________________________________________
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> >>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
>
> -- 
> Marty Connelly
> Victoria, B.C.
> Canada
>
>
>
> -- 
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Sep  1 19:18:23 2004
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 20:18:23 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Every 100th record
In-Reply-To: <b874372a04083117012bdc26a1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <002801c49082$5f78ff90$80b3fea9@ColbyM6805>

And for the record, by the time I index this database it will be well over a
terabyte.  If I end up merging in their other databases it will be several
terabytes.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Francisco Tapia
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 8:02 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Every 100th record


For the record I think it was me who applied the term VLDB to his db :D.
Even thow I've been my dept's DBA for the last 3 years, I have not run into
any company database that touches the Millions of records, the only tables
that I have that contain a near enough number of consequential tables,
(auditing)


On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 19:32:55 -0400, Arthur Fuller <artful at rogers.com> wrote:
> Just to put things in perspective, JC, the first client of the people 
> who developed MySQL had 60M rows in their principal table. There are 
> lots of apps way bigger than that. I once had a client that was adding 
> 10M rows per month to the table of concern (this was an app recording 
> seismic activity from several hundred meters). I must caution you that 
> you should not use the term VLDB as loosely as you have been using it. 
> You don't know the meaning of VLDB -- not yet at least. You're 
> beginning to appreciate the turf, however. Once I bid on a project 
> that had 100M rows each containing a graphic file. Not to say that 
> size is everything, but IMO VLDB comprises at least a TB, and often 
> many hundreds of TBs.

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Sep  1 19:20:03 2004
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 20:20:03 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Firefox opens two windows
In-Reply-To: <b874372a04083117012bdc26a1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <002901c49082$979f6350$80b3fea9@ColbyM6805>

Can anyone point me to why suddenly FireFox is opening TWO browser windows
whenever I open any link, as in an email or such?  More importantly, how to
fix it.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Francisco Tapia
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 8:02 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Every 100th record


For the record I think it was me who applied the term VLDB to his db :D.
Even thow I've been my dept's DBA for the last 3 years, I have not run into
any company database that touches the Millions of records, the only tables
that I have that contain a near enough number of consequential tables,
(auditing)


On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 19:32:55 -0400, Arthur Fuller <artful at rogers.com> wrote:
> Just to put things in perspective, JC, the first client of the people 
> who developed MySQL had 60M rows in their principal table. There are 
> lots of apps way bigger than that. I once had a client that was adding 
> 10M rows per month to the table of concern (this was an app recording 
> seismic activity from several hundred meters). I must caution you that 
> you should not use the term VLDB as loosely as you have been using it. 
> You don't know the meaning of VLDB -- not yet at least. You're 
> beginning to appreciate the turf, however. Once I bid on a project 
> that had 100M rows each containing a graphic file. Not to say that 
> size is everything, but IMO VLDB comprises at least a TB, and often 
> many hundreds of TBs.

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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Wed Sep  1 20:29:53 2004
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 20:29:53 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Firefox opens two windows
In-Reply-To: <29479305.1094086527041.JavaMail.root@sniper12.usinternet.com>
Message-ID: <000401c4908c$5953ecb0$de1811d8@danwaters>

John,

I had this same problem a while back.  I went to the FireFox site and found
a link to their user group.  I did a search using some appropriate phrase,
and did find a reference to the problem.  Someone had found the specific
problem and posted a patch.  I installed it and firefox has worked well
since.

This was the name of the patch:

firefox_bug_246078_rev3.reg

Best of luck!
Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 7:20 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Firefox opens two windows

Can anyone point me to why suddenly FireFox is opening TWO browser windows
whenever I open any link, as in an email or such?  More importantly, how to
fix it.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Francisco Tapia
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 8:02 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Every 100th record


For the record I think it was me who applied the term VLDB to his db :D.
Even thow I've been my dept's DBA for the last 3 years, I have not run into
any company database that touches the Millions of records, the only tables
that I have that contain a near enough number of consequential tables,
(auditing)


On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 19:32:55 -0400, Arthur Fuller <artful at rogers.com> wrote:
> Just to put things in perspective, JC, the first client of the people 
> who developed MySQL had 60M rows in their principal table. There are 
> lots of apps way bigger than that. I once had a client that was adding 
> 10M rows per month to the table of concern (this was an app recording 
> seismic activity from several hundred meters). I must caution you that 
> you should not use the term VLDB as loosely as you have been using it. 
> You don't know the meaning of VLDB -- not yet at least. You're 
> beginning to appreciate the turf, however. Once I bid on a project 
> that had 100M rows each containing a graphic file. Not to say that 
> size is everything, but IMO VLDB comprises at least a TB, and often 
> many hundreds of TBs.

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From fhtapia at gmail.com  Wed Sep  1 21:06:21 2004
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 19:06:21 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Firefox opens two windows
In-Reply-To: <002901c49082$979f6350$80b3fea9@ColbyM6805>
References: <002901c49082$979f6350$80b3fea9@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <b874372a04090119063b8e42d4@mail.gmail.com>

which version of firefox?, I'm running 9.3 and have not seen this problem.

On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 20:20:03 -0400, John W. Colby
<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
> Can anyone point me to why suddenly FireFox is opening TWO browser windows
> whenever I open any link, as in an email or such?  More importantly, how to
> fix it.
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Francisco Tapia
> Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 8:02 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Every 100th record
> 
> For the record I think it was me who applied the term VLDB to his db :D.
> Even thow I've been my dept's DBA for the last 3 years, I have not run into
> any company database that touches the Millions of records, the only tables
> that I have that contain a near enough number of consequential tables,
> (auditing)
> 
> On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 19:32:55 -0400, Arthur Fuller <artful at rogers.com> wrote:
> > Just to put things in perspective, JC, the first client of the people
> > who developed MySQL had 60M rows in their principal table. There are
> > lots of apps way bigger than that. I once had a client that was adding
> > 10M rows per month to the table of concern (this was an app recording
> > seismic activity from several hundred meters). I must caution you that
> > you should not use the term VLDB as loosely as you have been using it.
> > You don't know the meaning of VLDB -- not yet at least. You're
> > beginning to appreciate the turf, however. Once I bid on a project
> > that had 100M rows each containing a graphic file. Not to say that
> > size is everything, but IMO VLDB comprises at least a TB, and often
> > many hundreds of TBs.
> 
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Sep  1 21:18:35 2004
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 22:18:35 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Firefox opens two windows
In-Reply-To: <000401c4908c$5953ecb0$de1811d8@danwaters>
Message-ID: <002a01c49093$2abf2a20$80b3fea9@ColbyM6805>

Works great,thanks!

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 9:30 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Firefox opens two windows


John,

I had this same problem a while back.  I went to the FireFox site and found
a link to their user group.  I did a search using some appropriate phrase,
and did find a reference to the problem.  Someone had found the specific
problem and posted a patch.  I installed it and firefox has worked well
since.

This was the name of the patch:

firefox_bug_246078_rev3.reg

Best of luck!
Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 7:20 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Firefox opens two windows

Can anyone point me to why suddenly FireFox is opening TWO browser windows
whenever I open any link, as in an email or such?  More importantly, how to
fix it.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Francisco Tapia
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 8:02 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Every 100th record


For the record I think it was me who applied the term VLDB to his db :D.
Even thow I've been my dept's DBA for the last 3 years, I have not run into
any company database that touches the Millions of records, the only tables
that I have that contain a near enough number of consequential tables,
(auditing)


On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 19:32:55 -0400, Arthur Fuller <artful at rogers.com> wrote:
> Just to put things in perspective, JC, the first client of the people
> who developed MySQL had 60M rows in their principal table. There are 
> lots of apps way bigger than that. I once had a client that was adding 
> 10M rows per month to the table of concern (this was an app recording 
> seismic activity from several hundred meters). I must caution you that 
> you should not use the term VLDB as loosely as you have been using it. 
> You don't know the meaning of VLDB -- not yet at least. You're 
> beginning to appreciate the turf, however. Once I bid on a project 
> that had 100M rows each containing a graphic file. Not to say that 
> size is everything, but IMO VLDB comprises at least a TB, and often 
> many hundreds of TBs.

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From davide at dalyn.co.nz  Wed Sep  1 21:26:42 2004
From: davide at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 14:26:42 +1200
Subject: [AccessD] TransferText Causing System Crash
In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20040901065033.00b2c0b0@mail.dalyn.co.nz>
References: <F37DAC9A2964B144A2973EBCA8C54DBDABD3CD@BURY2K23.bury.gov.u k>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20040902142408.00baf360@mail.dalyn.co.nz>

Solution has been found!  It seemed to be something to do with the 
shortcut!!!  I recreated the shortcut and the crashing stopped.  I don't 
know why the shortcut would affect things (why would only 2 commands out of 
an entire library cause it to cash?)

David


At 1/09/2004, you wrote:
>Thanks for the suggestion.  All the file names have the extension included.
>
>David
>
>At 31/08/2004, you wrote:
>>Hi
>>
>>
>>My similar experience with Access(97) running under XP  (with Office XP
>>installed) when exporting text data was that if the export text filename
>>did not have an file extension e.g. MyDownloadFile, Access would hang.
>>Exporting to MyDownloadFile.txt would solve the issue.  May or may not
>>be relevant here (I was using Acc 97 but it was the XP OS (or Office XP)
>>that seemed to be the issue here).
>>
>>Richard
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: David Emerson [mailto:davide at dalyn.co.nz]
>>Sent: 30 August 2004 06:26
>>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] TransferText Causing System Crash
>>
>>That solved most of the problem.  Now the commands work on the server.
>>
>>However, it is used as a terminal server.  Although it runs fine when
>>using
>>the program direct on the computer, if anyone connects to a terminal
>>server
>>session they still get the same crashing.
>>
>>Any pointers on this one!!
>>
>>David
>>
>>At 27/08/2004, you wrote:
>> >Oh and one other thing to check that you have installed
>> >Overview of Office XP Service Pack 3 for Access 2002 Runtime. Note this
>>is
>> >in addition to normal SP3
>> >http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;834693&Product=
>>acc
>> >
>> >MartyConnelly wrote:
>> >
>> >>Well it looks like different Office XP service packs on the machines,
>>XP
>> >>SP-3 on your development machine.
>> >>Are you doing a full new runtime install on the server, or just
>>passing
>> >>over the adp file to the server with changes.?
>> >>This could lead to problems.
>> >>
>> >>David Emerson wrote:
>> >>
>> >>>Group,
>> >>>
>> >>>I have an AXP ade/SQL2000 runtime setup running on Windows 2003
>> >>>Server.  When I use the DoCmd.TransferSpreadsheet or
>>DoCmd.TransferText
>> >>>commands my database crashes (Unexpected error in MSAccess.exe).
>> >>>
>> >>>Examples are -
>> >>>
>> >>>DoCmd.TransferSpreadsheet acExport, acSpreadsheetTypeExcel7,
>> >>>strTableName, strFullName
>> >>>DoCmd.TransferSpreadsheet acImport, , "dbo.ttmpTOURawData",
>>strFullName,
>> >>>False
>> >>>DoCmd.TransferSpreadsheet acImport, acSpreadsheetTypeExcel97,
>> >>>"dbo.ttmpSwitchNewIn", Me!txtSwitchFile, True
>> >>>DoCmd.TransferSpreadsheet acImport, acSpreadsheetTypeExcel97,
>> >>>"dbo.ttmpTemporary", Me!txtDataFile
>> >>>DoCmd.TransferText acExportDelim, , "dbo.ttmpAgedDebtorDDebitExp",
>> >>>strFullName
>> >>>DoCmd.TransferText acExportDelim, , "dbo.ttmpExportMerge",
>> >>>DLookup("RootFolder", "tblCompany") & "\Merge\CustMerge.TXT", True
>> >>>DoCmd.TransferText acExportDelim, , "dbo.ttmpSwitchNewOut",
>> >>>DLookup("RootFolder", "tblCompany") & "\Switch\CustSwitch.TXT", True
>> >>>DoCmd.TransferText acImportDelim, , "dbo.ttmpTOURawData",
>>strFullName, False
>> >>>
>> >>>The commands work on my development machine (WXP Professional with
>> >>>Office 97 and Office XP).
>> >>>
>> >>>I have tried uninstalling and reinstalling the runtime application.
>> >>>
>> >>>Other commands in the Access library seem to work ok.  The version of
>>
>> >>>the olb (C:\Program Files\Microsoft OfficeXP\Office10\msacc.olb) on
>>my
>> >>>machine is 10.0.6308.0.  The runtime machine (C:\Program
>>Files\Microsoft
>> >>>Access Runtime\Office10\msacc.olb) has version 10.0.2627.1.
>> >>>
>> >>>Any clues why the transfer commands might be causing problems?
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>Regards
>> >>>
>> >>>David Emerson
>> >>>Dalyn Software Ltd
>> >>>25 Cunliffe St, Churton Park
>> >>>Wellington, New Zealand
>> >>>Ph/Fax (04) 478-7456
>> >>>Mobile 027-280-9348
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From jmoss111 at bellsouth.net  Wed Sep  1 21:30:35 2004
From: jmoss111 at bellsouth.net (JMoss)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 21:30:35 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Every 100th record
In-Reply-To: <000d01c48fba$264f5980$80b3fea9@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <OKEMICJGPJCMJCCHGNDEGEMACMAA.jmoss111@bellsouth.net>

John,

I can't help but think that you could lose as much as 10 - 15 % of the
volume of this database by doing some type of dedup and / or householding
process.

I wonder about the logic of mixing lists of different types in one database.
It seems to me that the customer wouldn't want to mail an offer to someone
from a sports list to someone who got added to a list because they had
purchased knitting supplies or some similar type item. The database
marketing firm that I worked with kept separate databases. Merging different
types of customers into a mail blast seems like a blast or shotgun approach,
or someone just selling a lot of addresses in a very non methodical manner.

Do you get enough of a performance boost from a 64 bit processor running a
32 bit OS or application to make it worth while? I would think that multiple
32 bit cpu's would be the ticket for 32 bit apps.

Jim

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 7:25 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Every 100th record


In fact the client has another database that has 125 million addresses,
another that has 14 million more people, and another that handles all their
sports mailings.  They would like to merge them all.  I just bought a 3ghz
socket 754 Athlon 64 which I am loading with Win2K and SQL Server tonight.
I can only pray that this gives me SOMETHING in the way of a speedup against
my old AMD Athlon 2500.  I have to examine my options, down to splitting up
the database and having different machines process pieces.  I also have to
learn to tune SQL Server.

Since I am starting from "know absolutely nothing" it shouldn't be too hard
to get better results over time.  ;-)

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 7:33 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Every 100th record


Just to put things in perspective, JC, the first client of the people who
developed MySQL had 60M rows in their principal table. There are lots of
apps way bigger than that. I once had a client that was adding 10M rows per
month to the table of concern (this was an app recording seismic activity
from several hundred meters). I must caution you that you should not use the
term VLDB as loosely as you have been using it. You don't know the meaning
of VLDB -- not yet at least. You're beginning to appreciate the turf,
however. Once I bid on a project that had 100M rows each containing a
graphic file. Not to say that size is everything, but IMO VLDB comprises at
least a TB, and often many hundreds of TBs.

I just got a contract with a company using MySQL whose test database's most
important table comprises 100M rows. They expect their clients to have 10*
as many rows. My job is to optimize the queries. Fortunately, I can assume
any hardware I deem necessary to do it. They are after sub-second retrieves
against 1B rows, with maybe 1000 users. Life's a beach and then you drown. I
don't know if I can deliver what they want, but what I can deliver is
benchmarks against the various DBs that I'm comfortable with -- SQL 2000,
Oracle, MySQL and DB/2. I figure that if none of them can do it, I'm off the
hook :)

The difficult part of this new assignment is that there's no way I can
duplicate the hardware resources required to emulate the required system, so
I have to assume that the benchmarks on my local system will hold up in a
load-leveling 100-server environment -- at least until I have something
worthy of installing and then test it in that environment.

I sympathize and empathize with your situation, JC. It's amazing how many of
our tried-and-true solutions go right out the window when you escalate the
number of rows to 100M -- and then factor in multiple joins. Stuff that
looks spectacular with only 1M rows suddenly sucks big-time when applied to
100M rows.

Arthur

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 7:13 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Every 100th record


Paul,

In fact I am trying to make this run on my home system which is part of the
problem.  This week I am playing "stay-at-home dad" as my wife starts the
chhool year this week and has all those 1st week teacher meetings /
training.

I have never come even close to a db this size and it has definitely been a
learning experience.  Here's hoping I survive.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Paul Rodgers
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 3:49 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Every 100th record


65 million! What an amazing world you work it. Is there ever time in the
week to pop home for an hour?
Cheers paul



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From Developer at UltraDNT.com  Wed Sep  1 22:36:44 2004
From: Developer at UltraDNT.com (Steve Conklin (Developer@UltraDNT))
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 23:36:44 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Rotating Excel
In-Reply-To: <001101c48fc0$747cdf50$80b3fea9@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <000201c4909e$14a42230$0201a8c0@COA3>

Excel has a Transpose command, which would do what you are asking once
in the worksheet 
... BUT ... It also has a 255 column limit.

How about an ADO recordset ... Loop the fields, write the names to
table?

hth
Steve



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Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 9:10 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Rotating Excel


I need to export data from this big database into Excel.  The objective
= is to get the FIELD NAMES out with data from about 100 records.  I
then = need to rotate excel such that the field names are down the left
side and the = data for each record runs down vertically, the data for
any given field runs across horizontally.  Can anyone tell me how to
rotate the spreadsheet = such that the field names are down the left
side?

I assume that the export MUST go out with the field names across the top
row, and the data below that. =20

Can anyone tell me how to get the entire 600+ fields out in a single =
export? When I try to use dts it works but complains (fails) if I try
and export more than about 240 fields.  It LOOKS LIKE perhaps the length
of the = field names in the first row is confusing Excel.  It is telling
me I am = exceeding the 1000 column limit (or some such)

What I really want to do is export all the columns (about 600) with the
field names in the top row, then rotate the whole shootin match.  Any
assistance on any of this is greatly appreciated.


John W. Colby
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Sep  1 22:52:17 2004
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 23:52:17 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Every 100th record
In-Reply-To: <OKEMICJGPJCMJCCHGNDEGEMACMAA.jmoss111@bellsouth.net>
Message-ID: <002c01c490a0$40f98d00$80b3fea9@ColbyM6805>

Jim,

I think the merge idea is simply to maximize the sheer number of names in
the database.  From what they are saying, they get info on various people
over time and need to update those people.  Perhaps a poll on car buying, or
smoking, or whatever.  If those fields don't already exist in the "big
table" they add new ones to hold the info.  Thus from that perspective
"sports" is just another interest, no different from hunting or fishing or
gun ownership.

As for the 64 bit processor helping with 32 bit apps, nope, not at all -
however it certainly doesn't slow 32 bit apps down.  However I understand
that a 64 bit version of Windows 2003 and SQL Server are available.  I
purchased the Action Pack which AFAICT contains these things.  I am hoping
that the 64 bit versions may give some tangible benefit.  If not, at least I
have a current generation motherboard / processor with current generation
SATA, gbit LAN etc.  I purchased the MSI K8 Neo Platinum motherboard which
appears to be a pretty solid system.  It provides all the raid 0/1/10 your
heard could desire, can directly manipulate 4 SATA drives and 4 IDE drives
and can combine these drives in any order into RAID arrays.  These machines
have gbit LAN built in, coming right off the NVIDIA core (not across the PCI
bus).  I am putting in a 5 port gbit switch so they can talk to each other
at top speed.

I have acknowledged TOTAL ignorance about the ins and outs of SQL Server but
I am learning as fast as I can.  My reading indicates that SQL Server can
distribute a database across entirely different machines.  Again how this is
done I haven't a clue but in order to find out (and test it)  I need two
machines.  I will shortly have two of these A64 machines to experiment with.
If this can indeed be done and the results are good, I can take it from
there.  I will keep the group informed of my findings.  

If I can get this all to work I stand to have a good solid client and a lot
of work.  If I can't I stand to have a totally overpowered (but NICE) dev
machine and a lot more SQL Server knowledge than I currently possess.  In
fact my Insurance Call Center client needs to go to SQL Server as well so
this will hopefully help me there as well.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of JMoss
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 10:31 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Every 100th record


John,

I can't help but think that you could lose as much as 10 - 15 % of the
volume of this database by doing some type of dedup and / or householding
process.

I wonder about the logic of mixing lists of different types in one database.
It seems to me that the customer wouldn't want to mail an offer to someone
from a sports list to someone who got added to a list because they had
purchased knitting supplies or some similar type item. The database
marketing firm that I worked with kept separate databases. Merging different
types of customers into a mail blast seems like a blast or shotgun approach,
or someone just selling a lot of addresses in a very non methodical manner.

Do you get enough of a performance boost from a 64 bit processor running a
32 bit OS or application to make it worth while? I would think that multiple
32 bit cpu's would be the ticket for 32 bit apps.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 7:25 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Every 100th record


In fact the client has another database that has 125 million addresses,
another that has 14 million more people, and another that handles all their
sports mailings.  They would like to merge them all.  I just bought a 3ghz
socket 754 Athlon 64 which I am loading with Win2K and SQL Server tonight. I
can only pray that this gives me SOMETHING in the way of a speedup against
my old AMD Athlon 2500.  I have to examine my options, down to splitting up
the database and having different machines process pieces.  I also have to
learn to tune SQL Server.

Since I am starting from "know absolutely nothing" it shouldn't be too hard
to get better results over time.  ;-)

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 7:33 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Every 100th record


Just to put things in perspective, JC, the first client of the people who
developed MySQL had 60M rows in their principal table. There are lots of
apps way bigger than that. I once had a client that was adding 10M rows per
month to the table of concern (this was an app recording seismic activity
from several hundred meters). I must caution you that you should not use the
term VLDB as loosely as you have been using it. You don't know the meaning
of VLDB -- not yet at least. You're beginning to appreciate the turf,
however. Once I bid on a project that had 100M rows each containing a
graphic file. Not to say that size is everything, but IMO VLDB comprises at
least a TB, and often many hundreds of TBs.

I just got a contract with a company using MySQL whose test database's most
important table comprises 100M rows. They expect their clients to have 10*
as many rows. My job is to optimize the queries. Fortunately, I can assume
any hardware I deem necessary to do it. They are after sub-second retrieves
against 1B rows, with maybe 1000 users. Life's a beach and then you drown. I
don't know if I can deliver what they want, but what I can deliver is
benchmarks against the various DBs that I'm comfortable with -- SQL 2000,
Oracle, MySQL and DB/2. I figure that if none of them can do it, I'm off the
hook :)

The difficult part of this new assignment is that there's no way I can
duplicate the hardware resources required to emulate the required system, so
I have to assume that the benchmarks on my local system will hold up in a
load-leveling 100-server environment -- at least until I have something
worthy of installing and then test it in that environment.

I sympathize and empathize with your situation, JC. It's amazing how many of
our tried-and-true solutions go right out the window when you escalate the
number of rows to 100M -- and then factor in multiple joins. Stuff that
looks spectacular with only 1M rows suddenly sucks big-time when applied to
100M rows.

Arthur

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 7:13 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Every 100th record


Paul,

In fact I am trying to make this run on my home system which is part of the
problem.  This week I am playing "stay-at-home dad" as my wife starts the
chhool year this week and has all those 1st week teacher meetings /
training.

I have never come even close to a db this size and it has definitely been a
learning experience.  Here's hoping I survive.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Paul Rodgers
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 3:49 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Every 100th record


65 million! What an amazing world you work it. Is there ever time in the
week to pop home for an hour? Cheers paul



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From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Sep  1 21:54:54 2004
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence (AccessD))
Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2004 19:54:54 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Rotating Excel
In-Reply-To: <001101c48fc0$747cdf50$80b3fea9@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <FJEJLIPOMCGJALMGLLLIKEDKCGAA.accessd@shaw.ca>

Hi John:

I believe there is a 1000 column and 65000 row limit to an excel
spreadsheet.

Jim

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 6:10 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Rotating Excel


I need to export data from this big database into Excel.  The objective = is
to get the FIELD NAMES out with data from about 100 records.  I then = need
to rotate excel such that the field names are down the left side and the =
data for each record runs down vertically, the data for any given field runs
across horizontally.  Can anyone tell me how to rotate the spreadsheet =
such that the field names are down the left side?

I assume that the export MUST go out with the field names across the top
row, and the data below that. =20

Can anyone tell me how to get the entire 600+ fields out in a single =
export? When I try to use dts it works but complains (fails) if I try and
export more than about 240 fields.  It LOOKS LIKE perhaps the length of the
= field names in the first row is confusing Excel.  It is telling me I am =
exceeding the 1000 column limit (or some such)

What I really want to do is export all the columns (about 600) with the
field names in the top row, then rotate the whole shootin match.  Any
assistance on any of this is greatly appreciated.


John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Sep  1 23:09:24 2004
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 00:09:24 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Rotating Excel
In-Reply-To: <000201c4909e$14a42230$0201a8c0@COA3>
Message-ID: <002d01c490a2$a5d4e0b0$80b3fea9@ColbyM6805>

I may end up doing a little program.  I was hoping for something built in.
Let me look at the transpose thingie.

Thanks,

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Conklin
(Developer at UltraDNT)
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 11:37 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Rotating Excel


Excel has a Transpose command, which would do what you are asking once in
the worksheet 
... BUT ... It also has a 255 column limit.

How about an ADO recordset ... Loop the fields, write the names to table?

hth
Steve



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 9:10 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Rotating Excel


I need to export data from this big database into Excel.  The objective = is
to get the FIELD NAMES out with data from about 100 records.  I then = need
to rotate excel such that the field names are down the left side and the =
data for each record runs down vertically, the data for any given field runs
across horizontally.  Can anyone tell me how to rotate the spreadsheet =
such that the field names are down the left side?

I assume that the export MUST go out with the field names across the top
row, and the data below that. =20

Can anyone tell me how to get the entire 600+ fields out in a single =
export? When I try to use dts it works but complains (fails) if I try and
export more than about 240 fields.  It LOOKS LIKE perhaps the length of the
= field names in the first row is confusing Excel.  It is telling me I am =
exceeding the 1000 column limit (or some such)

What I really want to do is export all the columns (about 600) with the
field names in the top row, then rotate the whole shootin match.  Any
assistance on any of this is greatly appreciated.


John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


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From fhtapia at gmail.com  Wed Sep  1 23:15:54 2004
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 21:15:54 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Online storage
In-Reply-To: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8031BB312@main2.marlow.com>
References: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8031BB312@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <b874372a04090121157b58c94@mail.gmail.com>

it is peculiar to me that you would upload to some online storage
place, I would suggest a cheap alternative,

ghost + external DVD writter "cheap" DVD r media.

(btw, Acronis sucks, just so you knwo not to go a 'cheap' way out)

On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 09:51:12 -0500, dwutka at marlow.com <dwutka at marlow.com> wrote:
> If you are just talking about data...what kind of space requirement are you
> talking?  I have about 10 gigs free on my servers data drive, if you want to
> just store data.  Of course, unless you have screaming upload speed a gig or
> two is going to take a day or two. (At 1.5 meg up, to my house, it took
> about 45 minutes to transfer a 380 meg file).
> 
> Drew
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
> Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2004 7:28 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: [AccessD] OT: Online storage
> 
> We're moving in a few days and I don't have the facilities to back up both
> of the systems I work on -- I usually just back up from one to the other.
> Can anyone suggest an online service where I could upload both systems, just
> in case something happens during the move?
> 
> Since this is so off topic, I guess you should reply off list.
> 
> Also, I'll be unsubbing for a few days -- anyone needing me can reach me off
> list at ssharkins at bellsouth.net -- but it might take a few days for me to
> get back to you.
> 
> Thanks everyone.
> 
> Susan H.
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Sep  2 03:10:59 2004
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 10:10:59 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Determine current page number of report in preview
Message-ID: <225449706.20040902101059@cactus.dk>

Hi all (Drew?)

How do you catch the current page in preview?

Access caches pages while you are browsing forward.
Fine, but if the user moves (browses) backwards, the Page property
stays on the highest number even though the preview displays the
correct lower page number.

I guess the only chance would be to catch the current page number from
the status line of the preview window but I don't know if that is
possible.

/gustav



From gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Sep  2 03:35:14 2004
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 10:35:14 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Prompt after Form loads
In-Reply-To: <b874372a04090114144f08610f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312A0E@infoserver01.infostat.local>
	<b874372a04090111355e8e559@mail.gmail.com>
	<8444881516.20040901205336@cactus.dk>
	<b874372a04090114144f08610f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1896904147.20040902103514@cactus.dk>

Hi Francisco

> I tried the counter solution, and it fires before the form is "visible"

You are right, missed that, but here is how to do this without the
Timer: 

First, create this function in the subform:

Private Function ShowAtOpen()

  Static booOpened  As Boolean
  
  If booOpened = False Then
    ' Replace with your code.
    MsgBox "Load?", vbQuestion, "Francisco"
    ' Run only once.
    booOpened = True
  End If
  
End Function

Now, create a textbox in the subform, make it not Visible, and bind it
like this:

=ShowAtOpen()

This will pop the code when the form and the sub have been rendered
including controls bound to the recordsource of the form. The only
limitation I can see is, that other controls bound to an expression
(=something()) may have their values retrieved after the firing of
ShowAtOpen.

/gustav


> On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 20:53:36 +0200, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
>> Hi Francisco
>> 
>> > Agreed, I use them as a very last solution.  They do  CAUSE flickers,
>> > and they interrupt other process as well.  Such as adverse behavoirs
>> > when using a combo bx and you find that your dropdown doesn't stay
>> > dropped, because the timer continues to fire off in the background :D
>> 
>> Except in this case ... did you try the counter solution?
>> Works excellent here.



From HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com  Thu Sep  2 07:39:04 2004
From: HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com (Hollis,Virginia)
Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 07:39:04 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Required Field in Function
Message-ID: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0F53BAE5@cntexchange.pgdp.usec.com>

I have a function (code below) that is used to append data from a linked
Excel file (xlsBPS). The Excel file is linked to the database as a table.
There is a column in the Excel file named AssetID - this is a required field
in the database. Yesterday when the user ran the append code the AssetID was
blank in one of the records in the xlsBPS file. This caused all the records
to move up one. For example:

 

Record 1: AssetID = 

            Description: This one

 

Record 2: AssetID = ABC

            Description: My Name

 

The results after the append code ran were:

 

Record 1: AssetID  = ABC

            Description: This one

 

What can I add to the function to check for null fields to ensure the
AssetID is completed, if not, the code does not run? I tried adding a check
(where I added the ***** in the code, but I receive the error, RunTime 424,
Object Required.

 

Virginia

_____________________________________________________________________

Function AppendBPS()

'Appends new data from xlsBPS to tblFailure, tblSystemMain, and
tblFailureTimeSelected.

 

    Beep

     

    Title = "Append new BPS data from Excel"

    ' Work Order table import.

    Msg = "Your are about to modify data in this database."

    Msg = Msg & " Do you want to continue?"

    DgDef = vbQuestion + vbYesNo + vbDefaultButton1    ' Describe dialog
box.

    Response = MsgBox(Msg, DgDef, Title)    ' Get user response.

    If Response = vbYes Then    ' Evaluate response

    

********        If IsNull(xlsBPS.AssetID) Then
*******************************

*******     MsgBox "Asset ID must be completed before downloading"

********    Cancel = True            

******* End If

            

        DoCmd.SetWarnings False

    

        DoCmd.Echo False, "Appending Data"

        DoCmd.Hourglass True

 

        'Append data to tables

        DoCmd.OpenQuery "qry_AppendBPS_tblSystemMain", acNormal, acEdit
'Open append query for tblSystemMain

        DoCmd.OpenQuery "qry_AppendBPS_tblFailures", acNormal, acEdit 'Open
append query for tblFailures

        DoCmd.OpenQuery "qry_AppendBPS_tblFailureTimeSelected", acNormal,
acEdit 'Open append query for tblFailureTimeSelected

        DoCmd.Echo False, "Appending new data"

        

        DoCmd.Echo True

        DoCmd.Hourglass False

        

        Beep

 

        MsgBox "All done!"

        DoCmd.SetWarnings True

        DoCmd.OpenForm "frmSystemFailure", acNormal, "qryStatusPending", ,
acFormEdit, acWindowNormal

        'DoCmd.Quit

 

    Else

       ' You chose No or pressed Enter.

    End If

    

End Function



From chizotz at mchsi.com  Thu Sep  2 07:50:22 2004
From: chizotz at mchsi.com (Ron Allen)
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 07:50:22 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] FW: photo editing
In-Reply-To: <001401c48e9e$128ffde0$80b3fea9@ColbyM6805>
References: <001401c48e9e$128ffde0$80b3fea9@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <657746720.20040902075022@mchsi.com>

Hello John and Janice,

Paint Shop Pro, www.jasc.com, is a great image editor that is very
reasonably priced. It does most everything that Photoshop can do at
only a fraction of the cost.

PSP can definitely save .tif files, and you can measure in inches
rather than pixels. I've done both these things in PSP myself.

HTH,

Ron


Monday, August 30, 2004, 9:31:37 AM, you wrote:

JWC> My sister in law is looking for photo editing stuff.  If anyone knows of any
JWC> that fits the description in the message below my sig could you reply
JWC> directly to me off line or directly to Janice.

JWC> Thanks,

JWC> John W. Colby
JWC> www.ColbyConsulting.com 

JWC> -----Original Message-----
JWC> From: JMcK110 at aol.com [mailto:JMcK110 at aol.com] 
JWC> Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 9:00 AM
JWC> To: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com
JWC> Subject: photo editing


JWC> John:
JWC> For your type of computer, are you familiar with any non-professional
JWC> software(not Photoshop) that lets you save photos as tiffs and measure
JWC> photos in 
JWC> inches rather than pixels?

JWC> Client is using Microsfot Photo Editor and having lots of trouble with it?

JWC> Don't do any research on this question.  I know you're busy.  I'm just
JWC> looking for off the top of your head answer.
JWC> Janice




From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Thu Sep  2 08:02:32 2004
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 14:02:32 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Required Field in Function
Message-ID: <20040902130230.0B87724E2D7@smtp.nildram.co.uk>

Virginia
Your test may well be ok but all you're doinmg is setting Cancel=True; you
still carry on and execute the queries. The query execution needs to be on
an Else so that it does not run if the IsNull test is True. Setting
Cancel=True does not stop subsequent code.

--
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http://www.minstersystems.co.uk



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To: accessD at databaseadvisors.com <accessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: [AccessD] Required Field in Function
Date: 02/09/04 12:45

>
> I have a function (code below) that is used to append data from a linked
> Excel file (xlsBPS). The Excel file is linked to the database as a table.
> There is a column in the Excel file named AssetID - this is a required
field
> in the database. Yesterday when the user ran the append code the AssetID
was
> blank in one of the records in the xlsBPS file. This caused all the
records
> to move up one. For example:
>
>
>
> Record 1: AssetID =
>
>             Description: This one
>
>
>
> Record 2: AssetID = ABC
>
>             Description: My Name
>
>
>
> The results after the append code ran were:
>
>
>
> Record 1: AssetID  = ABC
>
>             Description: This one
>
>
>
> What can I add to the function to check for null fields to ensure the
> AssetID is completed, if not, the code does not run? I tried adding a
check
> (where I added the ***** in the code, but I receive the error, RunTime
424,
> Object Required.
>
>
>
> Virginia
>
> _____________________________________________________________________
>
> Function AppendBPS()
>
> 'Appends new data from xlsBPS to tblFailure, tblSystemMain, and
> tblFailureTimeSelected.
>
>
>
>     Beep
>
>
>
>     Title = &quot;Append new BPS data from Excel&quot;
>
>     ' Work Order table import.
>
>     Msg = &quot;Your are about to modify data in this database.&quot;
>
>     Msg = Msg &amp; &quot; Do you want to continue?&quot;
>
>     DgDef = vbQuestion + vbYesNo + vbDefaultButton1    ' Describe dialog
> box.
>
>     Response = MsgBox(Msg, DgDef, Title)    ' Get user response.
>
>     If Response = vbYes Then    ' Evaluate response
>
>
>
> ********        If IsNull(xlsBPS.AssetID) Then
> *******************************
>
> *******     MsgBox &quot;Asset ID must be completed before
downloading&quot;
>
> ********    Cancel = True
>
> ******* End If
>
>
>
>         DoCmd.SetWarnings False
>
>
>
>         DoCmd.Echo False, &quot;Appending Data&quot;
>
>         DoCmd.Hourglass True
>
>
>
>         'Append data to tables
>
>         DoCmd.OpenQuery &quot;qry_AppendBPS_tblSystemMain&quot;, acNormal,
acEdit
> 'Open append query for tblSystemMain
>
>         DoCmd.OpenQuery &quot;qry_AppendBPS_tblFailures&quot;, acNormal,
acEdit 'Open
> append query for tblFailures
>
>         DoCmd.OpenQuery &quot;qry_AppendBPS_tblFailureTimeSelected&quot;,
acNormal,
> acEdit 'Open append query for tblFailureTimeSelected
>
>         DoCmd.Echo False, &quot;Appending new data&quot;
>
>
>
>         DoCmd.Echo True
>
>         DoCmd.Hourglass False
>
>
>
>         Beep
>
>
>
>         MsgBox &quot;All done!&quot;
>
>         DoCmd.SetWarnings True
>
>         DoCmd.OpenForm &quot;frmSystemFailure&quot;, acNormal,
&quot;qryStatusPending&quot;, ,
> acFormEdit, acWindowNormal
>
>         'DoCmd.Quit
>
>
>
>     Else
>
>        ' You chose No or pressed Enter.
>
>     End If
>
>
>
> End Function
>
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From HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com  Thu Sep  2 08:28:14 2004
From: HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com (Hollis,Virginia)
Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 08:28:14 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Required Field in Function
Message-ID: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0F53BAFE@cntexchange.pgdp.usec.com>

I removed the Cancel = True, added "Else" after the MsgBox, and moved the
End If to the bottom of the code. But I still receive the RunTime Error 424
Object Required on the If IsNull ... code. Am I missing something else? What
would stop the code from running and what is causing the error?
 
If IsNull(xlsBPS.AssetID) Then
   MsgBox "Asset ID must be completed before downloading"
Else
.......
End If
End If
 
Virginia
________________________________________________________
Virginia
Your test may well be ok but all you're doinmg is setting Cancel=True; you
still carry on and execute the queries. The query execution needs to be on
an Else so that it does not run if the IsNull test is True. Setting
Cancel=True does not stop subsequent code.
 
--
Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk <http://www.minstersystems.co.uk> 
 
 
 
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Subject: [AccessD] Required Field in Function
Date: 02/09/04 12:45
 
 
 I have a function (code below) that is used to append data from a linked
Excel file (xlsBPS). The Excel file is linked to the database as a table.
 There is a column in the Excel file named AssetID - this is a required
field in the database. Yesterday when the user ran the append code the
AssetID was blank in one of the records in the xlsBPS file. This caused all
the records to move up one. For example:
 
 Record 1: AssetID =
             Description: This one
 
 Record 2: AssetID = ABC
             Description: My Name
 
 The results after the append code ran were:
 
 Record 1: AssetID  = ABC
             Description: This one
 
What can I add to the function to check for null fields to ensure the
AssetID is completed, if not, the code does not run? I tried adding a check
(where I added the ***** in the code, but I receive the error, RunTime 424,
Object Required.
 
 Virginia
____________________________________________________________________
 
 Function AppendBPS()
 
 'Appends new data from xlsBPS to tblFailure, tblSystemMain, and
tblFailureTimeSelected.
 
     Beep
 
     Title = &quot;Append new BPS data from Excel&quot;
 
     ' Work Order table import.
 
     Msg = &quot;Your are about to modify data in this database.&quot;
     Msg = Msg &amp; &quot; Do you want to continue?&quot;
     DgDef = vbQuestion + vbYesNo + vbDefaultButton1    ' Describe dialog
box.
 
     Response = MsgBox(Msg, DgDef, Title)    ' Get user response.
     If Response = vbYes Then    ' Evaluate response
 
 ********        If IsNull(xlsBPS.AssetID) Then
*******************************
 *******     MsgBox &quot;Asset ID must be completed before
downloading&quot;
 ********    Cancel = True
 ******* End If
 
         DoCmd.SetWarnings False
 
         DoCmd.Echo False, &quot;Appending Data&quot;
 
         DoCmd.Hourglass True
 
         'Append data to tables
 
         DoCmd.OpenQuery &quot;qry_AppendBPS_tblSystemMain&quot;, acNormal,
acEdit
 'Open append query for tblSystemMain
 
         DoCmd.OpenQuery &quot;qry_AppendBPS_tblFailures&quot;, acNormal,
acEdit 'Open append query for tblFailures
         DoCmd.OpenQuery
&quot;qry_AppendBPS_tblFailureTimeSelected&quot;,acNormal, acEdit 'Open
append query for tblFailureTimeSelected
         DoCmd.Echo False, &quot;Appending new data&quot;
 
         DoCmd.Echo True
         DoCmd.Hourglass False
 
         Beep
 
         MsgBox &quot;All done!&quot;
 
         DoCmd.SetWarnings True
 
         DoCmd.OpenForm &quot;frmSystemFailure&quot;, acNormal,
&quot;qryStatusPending&quot;, , acFormEdit, acWindowNormal
 
     Else
 
        ' You chose No or pressed Enter.
 
     End If
 
 End Function
 
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From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Thu Sep  2 08:48:33 2004
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps - IT Helps)
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 15:48:33 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] A2K3 Import does not work 
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF0ADB68@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

In Access 2003 to import a txt file (CSV)
 
File >Import > change to TXT file > select file and open
Nothing happens. I just come back to the database window.
No error, no import, no nothing!!
 
Same thing in A2K2 (XP) works fine....
 
 

 

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From cyx5 at cdc.gov  Thu Sep  2 09:08:41 2004
From: cyx5 at cdc.gov (Nicholson, Karen)
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 10:08:41 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Form Resizing Itself
Message-ID: <A5B5AA20555F594BA7B6BD2048E49E43840655@m-niosh-5.niosh.cdc.gov>

I don't think I have worked in A2K (XP).  The funkiest thing is
happening.  I have a frmMainSwitchboard that opens, I do a
DoCmd.Maximize in the on open event.  If I click on a button to open up
another form, leaving frmMainSwitchboard open, when I return to
frmMainSwitchboard it shrinks in size to center itself on the screen.  I
have all the centering stuff turned off.  There is no code that touches
this form from the second code.  What the?  Any ideas, this should be a
simple one.

Karen Nicholson
National Laboratory
Xerox Global Services




From Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com  Thu Sep  2 09:18:33 2004
From: Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com (Hale, Jim)
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 09:18:33 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] Rotating Excel
Message-ID: <6A6AA9DF57E4F046BDA1E273BDDB677217FEB7@corp-es01.fleetpride.com>

For Excel 2000 the limit is:
Worksheet size 65,536 rows by 256 columns 

Jim Hale

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Lawrence (AccessD) [mailto:accessd at shaw.ca]
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 9:55 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Rotating Excel


Hi John:

I believe there is a 1000 column and 65000 row limit to an excel
spreadsheet.

Jim

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 6:10 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Rotating Excel


I need to export data from this big database into Excel.  The objective = is
to get the FIELD NAMES out with data from about 100 records.  I then = need
to rotate excel such that the field names are down the left side and the =
data for each record runs down vertically, the data for any given field runs
across horizontally.  Can anyone tell me how to rotate the spreadsheet =
such that the field names are down the left side?

I assume that the export MUST go out with the field names across the top
row, and the data below that. =20

Can anyone tell me how to get the entire 600+ fields out in a single =
export? When I try to use dts it works but complains (fails) if I try and
export more than about 240 fields.  It LOOKS LIKE perhaps the length of the
= field names in the first row is confusing Excel.  It is telling me I am =
exceeding the 1000 column limit (or some such)

What I really want to do is export all the columns (about 600) with the
field names in the top row, then rotate the whole shootin match.  Any
assistance on any of this is greatly appreciated.


John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


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From michael.mattys at adelphia.net  Thu Sep  2 09:33:46 2004
From: michael.mattys at adelphia.net (Michael R Mattys)
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 10:33:46 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Form Resizing Itself
References: <A5B5AA20555F594BA7B6BD2048E49E43840655@m-niosh-5.niosh.cdc.gov>
Message-ID: <035a01c490f9$db486df0$6401a8c0@default>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Nicholson, Karen" <cyx5 at cdc.gov>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 10:08 AM
Subject: [AccessD] Form Resizing Itself


I don't think I have worked in A2K (XP).  The funkiest thing is
happening.  I have a frmMainSwitchboard that opens, I do a
DoCmd.Maximize in the on open event.  If I click on a button to open up
another form, leaving frmMainSwitchboard open, when I return to
frmMainSwitchboard it shrinks in size to center itself on the screen.  I
have all the centering stuff turned off.  There is no code that touches
this form from the second code.  What the?  Any ideas, this should be a
simple one.

Karen Nicholson
National Laboratory
Xerox Global Services


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Hi Karen,

Fancy meeting you here!
In the Events of Activate and On Got Focus
put your DoCmd.Maximize also.

----

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From chizotz at mchsi.com  Thu Sep  2 09:45:06 2004
From: chizotz at mchsi.com (chizotz at mchsi.com)
Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 14:45:06 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Form Resizing Itself
Message-ID: <090220041445.13043.28e4@mchsi.com>

Set the border to a fixed type, that should take care of it.

> I don't think I have worked in A2K (XP).  The funkiest thing is
> happening.  I have a frmMainSwitchboard that opens, I do a
> DoCmd.Maximize in the on open event.  If I click on a button to open up
> another form, leaving frmMainSwitchboard open, when I return to
> frmMainSwitchboard it shrinks in size to center itself on the screen.  I
> have all the centering stuff turned off.  There is no code that touches
> this form from the second code.  What the?  Any ideas, this should be a
> simple one.
> 
> Karen Nicholson
> National Laboratory
> Xerox Global Services
> 
> 
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Thu Sep  2 09:45:17 2004
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (DWUTKA at marlow.com)
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 09:45:17 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] FW: photo editing
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8031BB326@main2.marlow.com>

All NT based machines (as far as I know) come with Imaging.  It's sort of
like paint, but can save as .TIFF files.  It also measures in inches (or you
can change what you units you want).  Should be directly under Accessories
in the program menu.

FYI, I opened a .gif in it, but it wouldn't let me 'edit' anything until I
saved it as a TIFF (or another format).

Drew

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 9:32 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] FW: photo editing


My sister in law is looking for photo editing stuff.  If anyone knows of any
that fits the description in the message below my sig could you reply
directly to me off line or directly to Janice.

Thanks,

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: JMcK110 at aol.com [mailto:JMcK110 at aol.com] 
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 9:00 AM
To: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com
Subject: photo editing


John:
For your type of computer, are you familiar with any non-professional 
software(not Photoshop) that lets you save photos as tiffs and measure
photos in 
inches rather than pixels?

Client is using Microsfot Photo Editor and having lots of trouble with it?

Don't do any research on this question.  I know you're busy.  I'm just 
looking for off the top of your head answer.
Janice



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From Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com  Thu Sep  2 10:11:27 2004
From: Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com (Hale, Jim)
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 10:11:27 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] Required Field in Function
Message-ID: <6A6AA9DF57E4F046BDA1E273BDDB677217FEB8@corp-es01.fleetpride.com>

Maintaining the integrity of data Linked to Excel spreadsheets is often
problematic, since the Excel "databases" are subject to manipulation by the
user (ie. blank cells, changing column headings, inserting rows, text
instead of numbers, etc. One way I reduce these problems is by having a
hidden sheet that is linked to the data input cells/sheets. This sheet can
have a "validation" field (column) with an excel formula that tests for
conditions such as all fields being filled, no text where numbers should be,
etc. If the "record" fails the test the formula result can be whatever code
you wish. Since you can create your own specialized Excel formula these
validation routines can be quite elaborate. When you are reading these Excel
"records" into the Access database you can test for these codes and handle
the record appropriately. Just a thought.
Jim Hale

-----Original Message-----
From: Hollis,Virginia [mailto:HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 8:28 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Required Field in Function


I removed the Cancel = True, added "Else" after the MsgBox, and moved the
End If to the bottom of the code. But I still receive the RunTime Error 424
Object Required on the If IsNull ... code. Am I missing something else? What
would stop the code from running and what is causing the error?
 
If IsNull(xlsBPS.AssetID) Then
   MsgBox "Asset ID must be completed before downloading"
Else
.......
End If
End If
 
Virginia
________________________________________________________
Virginia
Your test may well be ok but all you're doinmg is setting Cancel=True; you
still carry on and execute the queries. The query execution needs to be on
an Else so that it does not run if the IsNull test is True. Setting
Cancel=True does not stop subsequent code.
 
--
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http://www.minstersystems.co.uk <http://www.minstersystems.co.uk> 
 
 
 
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Subject: [AccessD] Required Field in Function
Date: 02/09/04 12:45
 
 
 I have a function (code below) that is used to append data from a linked
Excel file (xlsBPS). The Excel file is linked to the database as a table.
 There is a column in the Excel file named AssetID - this is a required
field in the database. Yesterday when the user ran the append code the
AssetID was blank in one of the records in the xlsBPS file. This caused all
the records to move up one. For example:
 
 Record 1: AssetID =
             Description: This one
 
 Record 2: AssetID = ABC
             Description: My Name
 
 The results after the append code ran were:
 
 Record 1: AssetID  = ABC
             Description: This one
 
What can I add to the function to check for null fields to ensure the
AssetID is completed, if not, the code does not run? I tried adding a check
(where I added the ***** in the code, but I receive the error, RunTime 424,
Object Required.
 
 Virginia
____________________________________________________________________
 
 Function AppendBPS()
 
 'Appends new data from xlsBPS to tblFailure, tblSystemMain, and
tblFailureTimeSelected.
 
     Beep
 
     Title = &quot;Append new BPS data from Excel&quot;
 
     ' Work Order table import.
 
     Msg = &quot;Your are about to modify data in this database.&quot;
     Msg = Msg &amp; &quot; Do you want to continue?&quot;
     DgDef = vbQuestion + vbYesNo + vbDefaultButton1    ' Describe dialog
box.
 
     Response = MsgBox(Msg, DgDef, Title)    ' Get user response.
     If Response = vbYes Then    ' Evaluate response
 
 ********        If IsNull(xlsBPS.AssetID) Then
*******************************
 *******     MsgBox &quot;Asset ID must be completed before
downloading&quot;
 ********    Cancel = True
 ******* End If
 
         DoCmd.SetWarnings False
 
         DoCmd.Echo False, &quot;Appending Data&quot;
 
         DoCmd.Hourglass True
 
         'Append data to tables
 
         DoCmd.OpenQuery &quot;qry_AppendBPS_tblSystemMain&quot;, acNormal,
acEdit
 'Open append query for tblSystemMain
 
         DoCmd.OpenQuery &quot;qry_AppendBPS_tblFailures&quot;, acNormal,
acEdit 'Open append query for tblFailures
         DoCmd.OpenQuery
&quot;qry_AppendBPS_tblFailureTimeSelected&quot;,acNormal, acEdit 'Open
append query for tblFailureTimeSelected
         DoCmd.Echo False, &quot;Appending new data&quot;
 
         DoCmd.Echo True
         DoCmd.Hourglass False
 
         Beep
 
         MsgBox &quot;All done!&quot;
 
         DoCmd.SetWarnings True
 
         DoCmd.OpenForm &quot;frmSystemFailure&quot;, acNormal,
&quot;qryStatusPending&quot;, , acFormEdit, acWindowNormal
 
     Else
 
        ' You chose No or pressed Enter.
 
     End If
 
 End Function
 
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From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Thu Sep  2 10:12:08 2004
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps - IT Helps)
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 17:12:08 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Reader for .MSG files.
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF0ADB6A@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

Does a simple reader software exist to read, exported from Outlook, .MSG
files?
To read the MSG file without having outlook.
Opening  a attachement in that MSG file must also be posible.
 
Erwin
 
 

 

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From cyx5 at cdc.gov  Thu Sep  2 10:00:41 2004
From: cyx5 at cdc.gov (Nicholson, Karen)
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 11:00:41 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Form Resizing Itself
Message-ID: <A5B5AA20555F594BA7B6BD2048E49E43840656@m-niosh-5.niosh.cdc.gov>

I set the border to thin and the same thing happened.  Putting the
docmd.maximize on the activate works, but I get the dreaded screen
flicker.  Why does Access decide to go ahead and shrink a form size when
another form is opened?  Aughghghg.

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
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chizotz at mchsi.com
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 10:45 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Form Resizing Itself


Set the border to a fixed type, that should take care of it.

> I don't think I have worked in A2K (XP).  The funkiest thing is
> happening.  I have a frmMainSwitchboard that opens, I do a
> DoCmd.Maximize in the on open event.  If I click on a button to open
up
> another form, leaving frmMainSwitchboard open, when I return to
> frmMainSwitchboard it shrinks in size to center itself on the screen.
I
> have all the centering stuff turned off.  There is no code that
touches
> this form from the second code.  What the?  Any ideas, this should be
a
> simple one.
> 
> Karen Nicholson
> National Laboratory
> Xerox Global Services
> 
> 
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu Sep  2 10:42:16 2004
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 08:42:16 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Required Field in Function
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312A19@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Have you declared xlsBPS as an Excel worksheet or is it an attached
Excel "table"?  I would suspect the referencing xlsBPS.AssetID is giving
you the problem.

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Hollis,Virginia [mailto:HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com] 
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 6:28 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Required Field in Function


I removed the Cancel = True, added "Else" after the MsgBox, and moved
the End If to the bottom of the code. But I still receive the RunTime
Error 424 Object Required on the If IsNull ... code. Am I missing
something else? What would stop the code from running and what is
causing the error?
 
If IsNull(xlsBPS.AssetID) Then
   MsgBox "Asset ID must be completed before downloading"
Else
.......
End If
End If
 
Virginia ________________________________________________________
Virginia
Your test may well be ok but all you're doinmg is setting Cancel=True;
you still carry on and execute the queries. The query execution needs to
be on an Else so that it does not run if the IsNull test is True.
Setting Cancel=True does not stop subsequent code.
 
--
Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk <http://www.minstersystems.co.uk> 
 
 
 
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databaseadvisors.com
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>
Subject: [AccessD] Required Field in Function
Date: 02/09/04 12:45
 
 
 I have a function (code below) that is used to append data from a
linked Excel file (xlsBPS). The Excel file is linked to the database as
a table.  There is a column in the Excel file named AssetID - this is a
required field in the database. Yesterday when the user ran the append
code the AssetID was blank in one of the records in the xlsBPS file.
This caused all the records to move up one. For example:
 
 Record 1: AssetID =
             Description: This one
 
 Record 2: AssetID = ABC
             Description: My Name
 
 The results after the append code ran were:
 
 Record 1: AssetID  = ABC
             Description: This one
 
What can I add to the function to check for null fields to ensure the
AssetID is completed, if not, the code does not run? I tried adding a
check (where I added the ***** in the code, but I receive the error,
RunTime 424, Object Required.
 
 Virginia
____________________________________________________________________
 
 Function AppendBPS()
 
 'Appends new data from xlsBPS to tblFailure, tblSystemMain, and
tblFailureTimeSelected.
 
     Beep
 
     Title = &quot;Append new BPS data from Excel&quot;
 
     ' Work Order table import.
 
     Msg = &quot;Your are about to modify data in this database.&quot;
     Msg = Msg &amp; &quot; Do you want to continue?&quot;
     DgDef = vbQuestion + vbYesNo + vbDefaultButton1    ' Describe
dialog
box.
 
     Response = MsgBox(Msg, DgDef, Title)    ' Get user response.
     If Response = vbYes Then    ' Evaluate response
 
 ********        If IsNull(xlsBPS.AssetID) Then
*******************************
 *******     MsgBox &quot;Asset ID must be completed before
downloading&quot;
 ********    Cancel = True
 ******* End If
 
         DoCmd.SetWarnings False
 
         DoCmd.Echo False, &quot;Appending Data&quot;
 
         DoCmd.Hourglass True
 
         'Append data to tables
 
         DoCmd.OpenQuery &quot;qry_AppendBPS_tblSystemMain&quot;,
acNormal, acEdit  'Open append query for tblSystemMain
 
         DoCmd.OpenQuery &quot;qry_AppendBPS_tblFailures&quot;,
acNormal, acEdit 'Open append query for tblFailures
         DoCmd.OpenQuery
&quot;qry_AppendBPS_tblFailureTimeSelected&quot;,acNormal, acEdit 'Open
append query for tblFailureTimeSelected
         DoCmd.Echo False, &quot;Appending new data&quot;
 
         DoCmd.Echo True
         DoCmd.Hourglass False
 
         Beep
 
         MsgBox &quot;All done!&quot;
 
         DoCmd.SetWarnings True
 
         DoCmd.OpenForm &quot;frmSystemFailure&quot;, acNormal,
&quot;qryStatusPending&quot;, , acFormEdit, acWindowNormal
 
     Else
 
        ' You chose No or pressed Enter.
 
     End If
 
 End Function
 
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From fhtapia at gmail.com  Thu Sep  2 10:46:56 2004
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 08:46:56 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] JIT Forms?
In-Reply-To: <001701c48f82$95d45ea0$80b3fea9@ColbyM6805>
References: <001701c48f82$95d45ea0$80b3fea9@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <b874372a04090208466b024ab3@mail.gmail.com>

so the idea is to open the form up in design first add the fields? is
that right?

thanks,

On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 13:47:27 -0400, John W. Colby
<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
> You can do that but only in design view.
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Francisco Tapia
> Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 11:46 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] JIT Forms?
> 
> Anyone have a link, or advice on creating controls JIT?
> 
> Access2000 / ADP
> I have an unbound form, that I'd like to pass a recordset to and thus be
> able to on-the-fly create controls that match the recordset... any ideas?
> 
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From HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com  Thu Sep  2 10:47:38 2004
From: HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com (Hollis,Virginia)
Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 10:47:38 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Required Field in Function
Message-ID: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0F53BB39@cntexchange.pgdp.usec.com>

The strangest thing is happening.

I created a query with the linked Excel table xlsBPS and set the criteria to
show AssetID = IsNull. I added the DCount to the function and ran it.

What is strange, when I first created the query and ran the query, it showed
which record contained the Null AssetID. After running the append code, it
does not show this record - the query is blank. I don't understand why it
isn't picking up the Null AssetID record anymore. If I look on the
spreadsheet or open the linked table, that field is Null.

Since the query does not show any records containing Null AssetIDs anymore
(even though there is a null record) it runs the append code.

I also tried having the query open so the user can enter the missing data. I
found out if you enter data into the linked Excel table, it corrupts the
spreadsheet file and gives an error message about not being in a correct
file format.

-----Original Message-----
From: Nancy Lytle [mailto:nlytle at swales.com] 
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 9:59 AM
To: Hollis,Virginia
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Required Field in Function

I've done similiar things.  Anything to control what the user can and can't
do.  If the query is being run from a form and you don't want user in the
actual tables then run the IsNull query then open a form you created based
on that query, once thta have completed that you can have them close or
update the recordset and rerun the IsNull and if it returns 0 records the
run the append query.


Heres some pseudo code

If DCount("*", "qryIsNull) >0 then
Open frmDataEntry
Else
Run AppendQuery
End if

On Open of  frmDataEntry
frmDataEntry.recordsourcetype = "table/query"
frmDataEntry.recordsource = "qryIsNull"

On Close frmDataEntry
Refresh the form to catch all newly entered data
If DCount("*", "qryIsNull) >0 then
"there are still items to correct"
Return them to finish entering
Else
Run AppendQuery
End if

Nancy

-----Original Message-----
From: Hollis,Virginia [mailto:HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 10:45 AM
To: Nancy Lytle
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Required Field in Function


That is fine replying directly, thanks.

That sounds like a good idea; it would show the user exactly what is wrong
too. I will try to play around with that idea. Have you ever tried it?

Va.

-----Original Message-----
From: Nancy Lytle [mailto:nlytle at swales.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 9:41 AM
To: HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Required Field in Function

I couldn't reply on the list so here goes:
I may be off base here but why not have an IsNotNull Criteria in the append,
then a second query to pop up a form for all those where the field is null?
Or do the reverse, have it pop up with all the null fields, require them to
be filled in before the append query can run.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Hollis,Virginia" <HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 9:28 AM
Subject: [AccessD] Required Field in Function


> I removed the Cancel = True, added "Else" after the MsgBox, and moved the
> End If to the bottom of the code. But I still receive the RunTime Error
424
> Object Required on the If IsNull ... code. Am I missing something else?
What
> would stop the code from running and what is causing the error?
>
> If IsNull(xlsBPS.AssetID) Then
>    MsgBox "Asset ID must be completed before downloading"
> Else
> .......
> End If
> End If
>
> Virginia
> ________________________________________________________
> Virginia
> Your test may well be ok but all you're doinmg is setting Cancel=True; you
> still carry on and execute the queries. The query execution needs to be on
> an Else so that it does not run if the IsNull test is True. Setting
> Cancel=True does not stop subsequent code.
>
> --
> Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk <http://www.minstersystems.co.uk>
>
>
>
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> From: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com
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> To: accessD at databaseadvisors.com
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> databaseadvisors.com
<http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd>
> >
> Subject: [AccessD] Required Field in Function
> Date: 02/09/04 12:45
>
>
>  I have a function (code below) that is used to append data from a linked
> Excel file (xlsBPS). The Excel file is linked to the database as a table.
>  There is a column in the Excel file named AssetID - this is a required
> field in the database. Yesterday when the user ran the append code the
> AssetID was blank in one of the records in the xlsBPS file. This caused
all
> the records to move up one. For example:
>
>  Record 1: AssetID =
>              Description: This one
>
>  Record 2: AssetID = ABC
>              Description: My Name
>
>  The results after the append code ran were:
>
>  Record 1: AssetID  = ABC
>              Description: This one
>
> What can I add to the function to check for null fields to ensure the
> AssetID is completed, if not, the code does not run? I tried adding a
check
> (where I added the ***** in the code, but I receive the error, RunTime
424,
> Object Required.
>
>  Virginia
> ____________________________________________________________________
>
>  Function AppendBPS()
>
>  'Appends new data from xlsBPS to tblFailure, tblSystemMain, and
> tblFailureTimeSelected.
>
>      Beep
>
>      Title = &quot;Append new BPS data from Excel&quot;
>
>      ' Work Order table import.
>
>      Msg = &quot;Your are about to modify data in this database.&quot;
>      Msg = Msg &amp; &quot; Do you want to continue?&quot;
>      DgDef = vbQuestion + vbYesNo + vbDefaultButton1    ' Describe dialog
> box.
>
>      Response = MsgBox(Msg, DgDef, Title)    ' Get user response.
>      If Response = vbYes Then    ' Evaluate response
>
>  ********        If IsNull(xlsBPS.AssetID) Then
> *******************************
>  *******     MsgBox &quot;Asset ID must be completed before
> downloading&quot;
>  ********    Cancel = True
>  ******* End If
>
>          DoCmd.SetWarnings False
>
>          DoCmd.Echo False, &quot;Appending Data&quot;
>
>          DoCmd.Hourglass True
>
>          'Append data to tables
>
>          DoCmd.OpenQuery &quot;qry_AppendBPS_tblSystemMain&quot;,
acNormal,
> acEdit
>  'Open append query for tblSystemMain
>
>          DoCmd.OpenQuery &quot;qry_AppendBPS_tblFailures&quot;, acNormal,
> acEdit 'Open append query for tblFailures
>          DoCmd.OpenQuery
> &quot;qry_AppendBPS_tblFailureTimeSelected&quot;,acNormal, acEdit 'Open
> append query for tblFailureTimeSelected
>          DoCmd.Echo False, &quot;Appending new data&quot;
>
>          DoCmd.Echo True
>          DoCmd.Hourglass False
>
>          Beep
>
>          MsgBox &quot;All done!&quot;
>
>          DoCmd.SetWarnings True
>
>          DoCmd.OpenForm &quot;frmSystemFailure&quot;, acNormal,
> &quot;qryStatusPending&quot;, , acFormEdit, acWindowNormal
>
>      Else
>
>         ' You chose No or pressed Enter.
>
>      End If
>
>  End Function
>
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From HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com  Thu Sep  2 10:48:35 2004
From: HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com (Hollis,Virginia)
Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 10:48:35 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Required Field in Function
Message-ID: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0F53BB3A@cntexchange.pgdp.usec.com>

The xlsBPS is an attached Excel table. It is linked to the Excel
spreadsheet.
 
Virginia
 
_______________________
 
Have you declared xlsBPS as an Excel worksheet or is it an attached
Excel "table"?  I would suspect the referencing xlsBPS.AssetID is giving
you the problem.
 
Charlotte Foust

 



From HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com  Thu Sep  2 10:49:48 2004
From: HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com (Hollis,Virginia)
Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 10:49:48 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Required Field in Function
Message-ID: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0F53BB3B@cntexchange.pgdp.usec.com>

This is what I added:

   If DCount("*", "qryBPSNull") > 0 Then
    MsgBox "Asset ID must be entered"
Else
	Append code.....

-----Original Message-----
From: Hollis,Virginia 
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 10:48 AM
To: 'nlytle at swales.com'; 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Required Field in Function

The strangest thing is happening.

I created a query with the linked Excel table xlsBPS and set the criteria to
show AssetID = IsNull. I added the DCount to the function and ran it.

What is strange, when I first created the query and ran the query, it showed
which record contained the Null AssetID. After running the append code, it
does not show this record - the query is blank. I don't understand why it
isn't picking up the Null AssetID record anymore. If I look on the
spreadsheet or open the linked table, that field is Null.

Since the query does not show any records containing Null AssetIDs anymore
(even though there is a null record) it runs the append code.

I also tried having the query open so the user can enter the missing data. I
found out if you enter data into the linked Excel table, it corrupts the
spreadsheet file and gives an error message about not being in a correct
file format.

-----Original Message-----
From: Nancy Lytle [mailto:nlytle at swales.com] 
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 9:59 AM
To: Hollis,Virginia
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Required Field in Function

I've done similiar things.  Anything to control what the user can and can't
do.  If the query is being run from a form and you don't want user in the
actual tables then run the IsNull query then open a form you created based
on that query, once thta have completed that you can have them close or
update the recordset and rerun the IsNull and if it returns 0 records the
run the append query.


Heres some pseudo code

If DCount("*", "qryIsNull) >0 then
Open frmDataEntry
Else
Run AppendQuery
End if

On Open of  frmDataEntry
frmDataEntry.recordsourcetype = "table/query"
frmDataEntry.recordsource = "qryIsNull"

On Close frmDataEntry
Refresh the form to catch all newly entered data
If DCount("*", "qryIsNull) >0 then
"there are still items to correct"
Return them to finish entering
Else
Run AppendQuery
End if

Nancy

-----Original Message-----
From: Hollis,Virginia [mailto:HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 10:45 AM
To: Nancy Lytle
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Required Field in Function


That is fine replying directly, thanks.

That sounds like a good idea; it would show the user exactly what is wrong
too. I will try to play around with that idea. Have you ever tried it?

Va.

-----Original Message-----
From: Nancy Lytle [mailto:nlytle at swales.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 9:41 AM
To: HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Required Field in Function

I couldn't reply on the list so here goes:
I may be off base here but why not have an IsNotNull Criteria in the append,
then a second query to pop up a form for all those where the field is null?
Or do the reverse, have it pop up with all the null fields, require them to
be filled in before the append query can run.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Hollis,Virginia" <HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 9:28 AM
Subject: [AccessD] Required Field in Function


> I removed the Cancel = True, added "Else" after the MsgBox, and moved the
> End If to the bottom of the code. But I still receive the RunTime Error
424
> Object Required on the If IsNull ... code. Am I missing something else?
What
> would stop the code from running and what is causing the error?
>
> If IsNull(xlsBPS.AssetID) Then
>    MsgBox "Asset ID must be completed before downloading"
> Else
> .......
> End If
> End If
>
> Virginia
> ________________________________________________________
> Virginia
> Your test may well be ok but all you're doinmg is setting Cancel=True; you
> still carry on and execute the queries. The query execution needs to be on
> an Else so that it does not run if the IsNull test is True. Setting
> Cancel=True does not stop subsequent code.
>
> --
> Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk <http://www.minstersystems.co.uk>
>
>
>
> --------- Original Message --------
> From: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> <http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd> >
> To: accessD at databaseadvisors.com
> <http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd>  <accessD at
> databaseadvisors.com
<http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd>
> >
> Subject: [AccessD] Required Field in Function
> Date: 02/09/04 12:45
>
>
>  I have a function (code below) that is used to append data from a linked
> Excel file (xlsBPS). The Excel file is linked to the database as a table.
>  There is a column in the Excel file named AssetID - this is a required
> field in the database. Yesterday when the user ran the append code the
> AssetID was blank in one of the records in the xlsBPS file. This caused
all
> the records to move up one. For example:
>
>  Record 1: AssetID =
>              Description: This one
>
>  Record 2: AssetID = ABC
>              Description: My Name
>
>  The results after the append code ran were:
>
>  Record 1: AssetID  = ABC
>              Description: This one
>
> What can I add to the function to check for null fields to ensure the
> AssetID is completed, if not, the code does not run? I tried adding a
check
> (where I added the ***** in the code, but I receive the error, RunTime
424,
> Object Required.
>
>  Virginia
> ____________________________________________________________________
>
>  Function AppendBPS()
>
>  'Appends new data from xlsBPS to tblFailure, tblSystemMain, and
> tblFailureTimeSelected.
>
>      Beep
>
>      Title = &quot;Append new BPS data from Excel&quot;
>
>      ' Work Order table import.
>
>      Msg = &quot;Your are about to modify data in this database.&quot;
>      Msg = Msg &amp; &quot; Do you want to continue?&quot;
>      DgDef = vbQuestion + vbYesNo + vbDefaultButton1    ' Describe dialog
> box.
>
>      Response = MsgBox(Msg, DgDef, Title)    ' Get user response.
>      If Response = vbYes Then    ' Evaluate response
>
>  ********        If IsNull(xlsBPS.AssetID) Then
> *******************************
>  *******     MsgBox &quot;Asset ID must be completed before
> downloading&quot;
>  ********    Cancel = True
>  ******* End If
>
>          DoCmd.SetWarnings False
>
>          DoCmd.Echo False, &quot;Appending Data&quot;
>
>          DoCmd.Hourglass True
>
>          'Append data to tables
>
>          DoCmd.OpenQuery &quot;qry_AppendBPS_tblSystemMain&quot;,
acNormal,
> acEdit
>  'Open append query for tblSystemMain
>
>          DoCmd.OpenQuery &quot;qry_AppendBPS_tblFailures&quot;, acNormal,
> acEdit 'Open append query for tblFailures
>          DoCmd.OpenQuery
> &quot;qry_AppendBPS_tblFailureTimeSelected&quot;,acNormal, acEdit 'Open
> append query for tblFailureTimeSelected
>          DoCmd.Echo False, &quot;Appending new data&quot;
>
>          DoCmd.Echo True
>          DoCmd.Hourglass False
>
>          Beep
>
>          MsgBox &quot;All done!&quot;
>
>          DoCmd.SetWarnings True
>
>          DoCmd.OpenForm &quot;frmSystemFailure&quot;, acNormal,
> &quot;qryStatusPending&quot;, , acFormEdit, acWindowNormal
>
>      Else
>
>         ' You chose No or pressed Enter.
>
>      End If
>
>  End Function
>
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu Sep  2 10:57:07 2004
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 08:57:07 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Required Field in Function
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312A1B@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Try testing for a zero length as well.

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Hollis,Virginia [mailto:HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com] 
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 8:48 AM
To: nlytle at swales.com; accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Required Field in Function


The strangest thing is happening.

I created a query with the linked Excel table xlsBPS and set the
criteria to show AssetID = IsNull. I added the DCount to the function
and ran it.

What is strange, when I first created the query and ran the query, it
showed which record contained the Null AssetID. After running the append
code, it does not show this record - the query is blank. I don't
understand why it isn't picking up the Null AssetID record anymore. If I
look on the spreadsheet or open the linked table, that field is Null.

Since the query does not show any records containing Null AssetIDs
anymore (even though there is a null record) it runs the append code.

I also tried having the query open so the user can enter the missing
data. I found out if you enter data into the linked Excel table, it
corrupts the spreadsheet file and gives an error message about not being
in a correct file format.

-----Original Message-----
From: Nancy Lytle [mailto:nlytle at swales.com] 
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 9:59 AM
To: Hollis,Virginia
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Required Field in Function

I've done similiar things.  Anything to control what the user can and
can't do.  If the query is being run from a form and you don't want user
in the actual tables then run the IsNull query then open a form you
created based on that query, once thta have completed that you can have
them close or update the recordset and rerun the IsNull and if it
returns 0 records the run the append query.


Heres some pseudo code

If DCount("*", "qryIsNull) >0 then
Open frmDataEntry
Else
Run AppendQuery
End if

On Open of  frmDataEntry
frmDataEntry.recordsourcetype = "table/query" frmDataEntry.recordsource
= "qryIsNull"

On Close frmDataEntry
Refresh the form to catch all newly entered data
If DCount("*", "qryIsNull) >0 then
"there are still items to correct"
Return them to finish entering
Else
Run AppendQuery
End if

Nancy

-----Original Message-----
From: Hollis,Virginia [mailto:HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 10:45 AM
To: Nancy Lytle
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Required Field in Function


That is fine replying directly, thanks.

That sounds like a good idea; it would show the user exactly what is
wrong too. I will try to play around with that idea. Have you ever tried
it?

Va.

-----Original Message-----
From: Nancy Lytle [mailto:nlytle at swales.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 9:41 AM
To: HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Required Field in Function

I couldn't reply on the list so here goes:
I may be off base here but why not have an IsNotNull Criteria in the
append, then a second query to pop up a form for all those where the
field is null? Or do the reverse, have it pop up with all the null
fields, require them to be filled in before the append query can run.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Hollis,Virginia" <HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 9:28 AM
Subject: [AccessD] Required Field in Function


> I removed the Cancel = True, added "Else" after the MsgBox, and moved 
> the End If to the bottom of the code. But I still receive the RunTime 
> Error
424
> Object Required on the If IsNull ... code. Am I missing something 
> else?
What
> would stop the code from running and what is causing the error?
>
> If IsNull(xlsBPS.AssetID) Then
>    MsgBox "Asset ID must be completed before downloading" Else
> .......
> End If
> End If
>
> Virginia ________________________________________________________
> Virginia
> Your test may well be ok but all you're doinmg is setting Cancel=True;
you
> still carry on and execute the queries. The query execution needs to
be on
> an Else so that it does not run if the IsNull test is True. Setting
> Cancel=True does not stop subsequent code.
>
> --
> Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk <http://www.minstersystems.co.uk>
>
>
>
> --------- Original Message --------
> From: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <accessd at 
> databaseadvisors.com 
> <http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd> >
> To: accessD at databaseadvisors.com 
> <http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd>  <accessD at 
> databaseadvisors.com
<http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd>
> >
> Subject: [AccessD] Required Field in Function
> Date: 02/09/04 12:45
>
>
>  I have a function (code below) that is used to append data from a 
> linked Excel file (xlsBPS). The Excel file is linked to the database 
> as a table.  There is a column in the Excel file named AssetID - this 
> is a required field in the database. Yesterday when the user ran the 
> append code the AssetID was blank in one of the records in the xlsBPS 
> file. This caused
all
> the records to move up one. For example:
>
>  Record 1: AssetID =
>              Description: This one
>
>  Record 2: AssetID = ABC
>              Description: My Name
>
>  The results after the append code ran were:
>
>  Record 1: AssetID  = ABC
>              Description: This one
>
> What can I add to the function to check for null fields to ensure the 
> AssetID is completed, if not, the code does not run? I tried adding a
check
> (where I added the ***** in the code, but I receive the error, RunTime
424,
> Object Required.
>
>  Virginia 
> ____________________________________________________________________
>
>  Function AppendBPS()
>
>  'Appends new data from xlsBPS to tblFailure, tblSystemMain, and 
> tblFailureTimeSelected.
>
>      Beep
>
>      Title = &quot;Append new BPS data from Excel&quot;
>
>      ' Work Order table import.
>
>      Msg = &quot;Your are about to modify data in this database.&quot;
>      Msg = Msg &amp; &quot; Do you want to continue?&quot;
>      DgDef = vbQuestion + vbYesNo + vbDefaultButton1    ' Describe
dialog
> box.
>
>      Response = MsgBox(Msg, DgDef, Title)    ' Get user response.
>      If Response = vbYes Then    ' Evaluate response
>
>  ********        If IsNull(xlsBPS.AssetID) Then
> *******************************
>  *******     MsgBox &quot;Asset ID must be completed before
> downloading&quot;
>  ********    Cancel = True
>  ******* End If
>
>          DoCmd.SetWarnings False
>
>          DoCmd.Echo False, &quot;Appending Data&quot;
>
>          DoCmd.Hourglass True
>
>          'Append data to tables
>
>          DoCmd.OpenQuery &quot;qry_AppendBPS_tblSystemMain&quot;,
acNormal,
> acEdit
>  'Open append query for tblSystemMain
>
>          DoCmd.OpenQuery &quot;qry_AppendBPS_tblFailures&quot;, 
> acNormal, acEdit 'Open append query for tblFailures
>          DoCmd.OpenQuery 
> &quot;qry_AppendBPS_tblFailureTimeSelected&quot;,acNormal, acEdit 
> 'Open append query for tblFailureTimeSelected
>          DoCmd.Echo False, &quot;Appending new data&quot;
>
>          DoCmd.Echo True
>          DoCmd.Hourglass False
>
>          Beep
>
>          MsgBox &quot;All done!&quot;
>
>          DoCmd.SetWarnings True
>
>          DoCmd.OpenForm &quot;frmSystemFailure&quot;, acNormal, 
> &quot;qryStatusPending&quot;, , acFormEdit, acWindowNormal
>
>      Else
>
>         ' You chose No or pressed Enter.
>
>      End If
>
>  End Function
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Sep  2 10:54:01 2004
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 17:54:01 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Reader for .MSG files.
In-Reply-To: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF0ADB6A@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
References: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF0ADB6A@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
Message-ID: <17233231223.20040902175401@cactus.dk>

Hi Erwin

"The Bat!" from RitLabs can import msg and eml files.

/gustav


> Does a simple reader software exist to read, exported from Outlook, .MSG
> files?
> To read the MSG file without having outlook.
> Opening  a attachement in that MSG file must also be posible.



From dwaters at usinternet.com  Thu Sep  2 11:05:22 2004
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 11:05:22 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Firefox opens two windows
In-Reply-To: <25115780.1094091514866.JavaMail.root@sniper5.usinternet.com>
Message-ID: <000d01c49106$a718fb00$de1811d8@danwaters>

Hi Francisco,

I patched version 9.2 so I would guess that 9.3 doesn't have that problem.

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Francisco Tapia
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 9:06 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Firefox opens two windows

which version of firefox?, I'm running 9.3 and have not seen this problem.

On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 20:20:03 -0400, John W. Colby
<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
> Can anyone point me to why suddenly FireFox is opening TWO browser windows
> whenever I open any link, as in an email or such?  More importantly, how
to
> fix it.
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Francisco Tapia
> Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 8:02 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Every 100th record
> 
> For the record I think it was me who applied the term VLDB to his db :D.
> Even thow I've been my dept's DBA for the last 3 years, I have not run
into
> any company database that touches the Millions of records, the only tables
> that I have that contain a near enough number of consequential tables,
> (auditing)
> 
> On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 19:32:55 -0400, Arthur Fuller <artful at rogers.com>
wrote:
> > Just to put things in perspective, JC, the first client of the people
> > who developed MySQL had 60M rows in their principal table. There are
> > lots of apps way bigger than that. I once had a client that was adding
> > 10M rows per month to the table of concern (this was an app recording
> > seismic activity from several hundred meters). I must caution you that
> > you should not use the term VLDB as loosely as you have been using it.
> > You don't know the meaning of VLDB -- not yet at least. You're
> > beginning to appreciate the turf, however. Once I bid on a project
> > that had 100M rows each containing a graphic file. Not to say that
> > size is everything, but IMO VLDB comprises at least a TB, and often
> > many hundreds of TBs.
> 
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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Thu Sep  2 11:09:19 2004
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 11:09:19 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] FW: photo editing
In-Reply-To: <18804565.1094138878520.JavaMail.root@sniper12.usinternet.com>
Message-ID: <000e01c49107$33fc2e20$de1811d8@danwaters>

Drew,

I believe you are talking about Kodak Imaging, which was a nice program.  It
was available in W2K, but not in WXP.  I read somewhere that Kodak and MS
has a falling out.  I searched MS for information, and was directed to a
link which was a third party who provided similar software for about
$100/seat.  

Rats!

Dan

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of DWUTKA at marlow.com
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 9:45 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] FW: photo editing

All NT based machines (as far as I know) come with Imaging.  It's sort of
like paint, but can save as .TIFF files.  It also measures in inches (or you
can change what you units you want).  Should be directly under Accessories
in the program menu.

FYI, I opened a .gif in it, but it wouldn't let me 'edit' anything until I
saved it as a TIFF (or another format).

Drew

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 9:32 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] FW: photo editing


My sister in law is looking for photo editing stuff.  If anyone knows of any
that fits the description in the message below my sig could you reply
directly to me off line or directly to Janice.

Thanks,

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: JMcK110 at aol.com [mailto:JMcK110 at aol.com] 
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 9:00 AM
To: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com
Subject: photo editing


John:
For your type of computer, are you familiar with any non-professional 
software(not Photoshop) that lets you save photos as tiffs and measure
photos in 
inches rather than pixels?

Client is using Microsfot Photo Editor and having lots of trouble with it?

Don't do any research on this question.  I know you're busy.  I'm just 
looking for off the top of your head answer.
Janice



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From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com  Thu Sep  2 11:21:55 2004
From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 12:21:55 -0400 
Subject: [AccessD] Reader for .MSG files.
Message-ID: <1D7828CDB8350747AFE9D69E0E90DA1F02D08898@xlivmbx21.aig.com>

Did a quick Google search and came up with this...

http://www.thebeatlesforever.com/processtext/abcoutlk.html


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> Helps
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> Subject:	[AccessD] Reader for .MSG files.
> 
> Does a simple reader software exist to read, exported from Outlook, .MSG
> files?
> To read the MSG file without having outlook.
> Opening  a attachement in that MSG file must also be posible.
>  
> Erwin
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From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com  Thu Sep  2 12:04:12 2004
From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark S. (Newport News))
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 13:04:12 -0400 
Subject: [AccessD] Access & AutoCAD
Message-ID: <BA209D7D3A20BE499AB726E4ED7A6DA1FCB6FA@nprdex02.nns.com>

...so I'm guessing I'm the only one in this unique position:(((


Mark





-----Original Message-----
From: Mitsules, Mark 
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 5:42 PM
To: [AccessD]
Subject: [AccessD] Access & AutoCAD


Has anyone tackled this combination?  There is ONE example in the AutoCAD
samples folder.  There is ONE book that I found regarding database
connectivity (circa 1999).  ...and a DISTINCT lack of web-based material as
far as I can tell:(  I would be most appreciative for pointers towards any
of the following: recent books (AutoCAD 2002 or later), web-based tutorials,
web-based examples, personal examples, cave paintings...anything.

Thanks in advance for any/all information.

Mark
Conversely, I am willing to pay $40 to anyone willing to take the AutoCAD
help files and develop a booklet within the next 2 weeks, including a table
of contents, that will allow me to chronologically work my way through a
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From john at winhaven.net  Thu Sep  2 12:30:29 2004
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 12:30:29 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access & AutoCAD
In-Reply-To: <BA209D7D3A20BE499AB726E4ED7A6DA1FCB6FA@nprdex02.nns.com>
Message-ID: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIGELAFNAA.john@winhaven.net>

Mark,
Are you trying to use automation between the two or are you trying to use
access as a database for Autocad Attributes?

John B.

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Mitsules, Mark
S. (Newport News)
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 12:04 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access & AutoCAD


...so I'm guessing I'm the only one in this unique position:(((


Mark





-----Original Message-----
From: Mitsules, Mark
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 5:42 PM
To: [AccessD]
Subject: [AccessD] Access & AutoCAD


Has anyone tackled this combination?  There is ONE example in the AutoCAD
samples folder.  There is ONE book that I found regarding database
connectivity (circa 1999).  ...and a DISTINCT lack of web-based material as
far as I can tell:(  I would be most appreciative for pointers towards any
of the following: recent books (AutoCAD 2002 or later), web-based tutorials,
web-based examples, personal examples, cave paintings...anything.

Thanks in advance for any/all information.

Mark
Conversely, I am willing to pay $40 to anyone willing to take the AutoCAD
help files and develop a booklet within the next 2 weeks, including a table
of contents, that will allow me to chronologically work my way through a
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From markamatte at hotmail.com  Thu Sep  2 12:50:59 2004
From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte)
Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 17:50:59 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Form Resizing Itself
Message-ID: <BAY1-F41lbJMa0JpIGR00071105@hotmail.com>

I might be mistaken...but I thought if you had multple foms/windows open in 
Access...and you closed one...the next one to get focus would have the same 
setting(maximized/restored) as the one that closed...unless you handle it in 
the events.

An easy way to show this...open 2 seperate forms...and maximize each of 
them...navigating them by using the toolbar/window button.  Even maximize 
the db window...if you close 1...then the next window that has focus will 
still be maximized...but if you were to click the restore button on the form 
that had focus...it would restore ALL open forms.

I know this happens in A97 and A2K...not sure about xp...and not sure if 
this behavior is controlled by a setting...or just the way things are.

Thanks,

Mark A. Matte




>From: "Nicholson, Karen" <cyx5 at cdc.gov>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving"<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Form Resizing Itself
>Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 11:00:41 -0400
>
>I set the border to thin and the same thing happened.  Putting the
>docmd.maximize on the activate works, but I get the dreaded screen
>flicker.  Why does Access decide to go ahead and shrink a form size when
>another form is opened?  Aughghghg.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
>chizotz at mchsi.com
>Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 10:45 AM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Form Resizing Itself
>
>
>Set the border to a fixed type, that should take care of it.
>
> > I don't think I have worked in A2K (XP).  The funkiest thing is
> > happening.  I have a frmMainSwitchboard that opens, I do a
> > DoCmd.Maximize in the on open event.  If I click on a button to open
>up
> > another form, leaving frmMainSwitchboard open, when I return to
> > frmMainSwitchboard it shrinks in size to center itself on the screen.
>I
> > have all the centering stuff turned off.  There is no code that
>touches
> > this form from the second code.  What the?  Any ideas, this should be
>a
> > simple one.
> >
> > Karen Nicholson
> > National Laboratory
> > Xerox Global Services
> >
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From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com  Thu Sep  2 12:51:28 2004
From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark S. (Newport News))
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 13:51:28 -0400 
Subject: [AccessD] Access & AutoCAD
Message-ID: <BA209D7D3A20BE499AB726E4ED7A6DA1FCB6FB@nprdex02.nns.com>

Both.  First project is our departmental floor plan which will include ALL
of the attributes for personnel and equipment.  Later projects will build
BOM drawings in AutoCAD dynamically.  Concurrently with those, I would like
to develop an automation process which monitors a network folder, and when a
new drawing is placed there, automatically extract certain drawing
attributes, log them into a database, and create a .dwf format version for
intranet publication.


Mark


-----Original Message-----
From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net] 
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 1:30 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access & AutoCAD


Mark,
Are you trying to use automation between the two or are you trying to use
access as a database for Autocad Attributes?

John B.

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Mitsules, Mark
S. (Newport News)
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 12:04 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access & AutoCAD


...so I'm guessing I'm the only one in this unique position:(((


Mark





-----Original Message-----
From: Mitsules, Mark
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 5:42 PM
To: [AccessD]
Subject: [AccessD] Access & AutoCAD


Has anyone tackled this combination?  There is ONE example in the AutoCAD
samples folder.  There is ONE book that I found regarding database
connectivity (circa 1999).  ...and a DISTINCT lack of web-based material as
far as I can tell:(  I would be most appreciative for pointers towards any
of the following: recent books (AutoCAD 2002 or later), web-based tutorials,
web-based examples, personal examples, cave paintings...anything.

Thanks in advance for any/all information.

Mark
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help files and develop a booklet within the next 2 weeks, including a table
of contents, that will allow me to chronologically work my way through a
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From markamatte at hotmail.com  Thu Sep  2 12:58:05 2004
From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte)
Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 17:58:05 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Required Field in Function
Message-ID: <BAY1-F8VQAiEGKROptz0001cdfe@hotmail.com>


Just a thought...but could you code the db to import the excel file 'as is' 
each time...and then prompt your user to fill the nulls locally?

Thanks,

Mark A. Matte

>From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving"<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Required Field in Function
>Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 08:57:07 -0700
>
>Try testing for a zero length as well.
>
>Charlotte Foust
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Hollis,Virginia [mailto:HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com]
>Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 8:48 AM
>To: nlytle at swales.com; accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Required Field in Function
>
>
>The strangest thing is happening.
>
>I created a query with the linked Excel table xlsBPS and set the
>criteria to show AssetID = IsNull. I added the DCount to the function
>and ran it.
>
>What is strange, when I first created the query and ran the query, it
>showed which record contained the Null AssetID. After running the append
>code, it does not show this record - the query is blank. I don't
>understand why it isn't picking up the Null AssetID record anymore. If I
>look on the spreadsheet or open the linked table, that field is Null.
>
>Since the query does not show any records containing Null AssetIDs
>anymore (even though there is a null record) it runs the append code.
>
>I also tried having the query open so the user can enter the missing
>data. I found out if you enter data into the linked Excel table, it
>corrupts the spreadsheet file and gives an error message about not being
>in a correct file format.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Nancy Lytle [mailto:nlytle at swales.com]
>Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 9:59 AM
>To: Hollis,Virginia
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Required Field in Function
>
>I've done similiar things.  Anything to control what the user can and
>can't do.  If the query is being run from a form and you don't want user
>in the actual tables then run the IsNull query then open a form you
>created based on that query, once thta have completed that you can have
>them close or update the recordset and rerun the IsNull and if it
>returns 0 records the run the append query.
>
>
>Heres some pseudo code
>
>If DCount("*", "qryIsNull) >0 then
>Open frmDataEntry
>Else
>Run AppendQuery
>End if
>
>On Open of  frmDataEntry
>frmDataEntry.recordsourcetype = "table/query" frmDataEntry.recordsource
>= "qryIsNull"
>
>On Close frmDataEntry
>Refresh the form to catch all newly entered data
>If DCount("*", "qryIsNull) >0 then
>"there are still items to correct"
>Return them to finish entering
>Else
>Run AppendQuery
>End if
>
>Nancy
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Hollis,Virginia [mailto:HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com]
>Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 10:45 AM
>To: Nancy Lytle
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Required Field in Function
>
>
>That is fine replying directly, thanks.
>
>That sounds like a good idea; it would show the user exactly what is
>wrong too. I will try to play around with that idea. Have you ever tried
>it?
>
>Va.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Nancy Lytle [mailto:nlytle at swales.com]
>Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 9:41 AM
>To: HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Required Field in Function
>
>I couldn't reply on the list so here goes:
>I may be off base here but why not have an IsNotNull Criteria in the
>append, then a second query to pop up a form for all those where the
>field is null? Or do the reverse, have it pop up with all the null
>fields, require them to be filled in before the append query can run.
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Hollis,Virginia" <HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com>
>To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 9:28 AM
>Subject: [AccessD] Required Field in Function
>
>
> > I removed the Cancel = True, added "Else" after the MsgBox, and moved
> > the End If to the bottom of the code. But I still receive the RunTime
> > Error
>424
> > Object Required on the If IsNull ... code. Am I missing something
> > else?
>What
> > would stop the code from running and what is causing the error?
> >
> > If IsNull(xlsBPS.AssetID) Then
> >    MsgBox "Asset ID must be completed before downloading" Else
> > .......
> > End If
> > End If
> >
> > Virginia ________________________________________________________
> > Virginia
> > Your test may well be ok but all you're doinmg is setting Cancel=True;
>you
> > still carry on and execute the queries. The query execution needs to
>be on
> > an Else so that it does not run if the IsNull test is True. Setting
> > Cancel=True does not stop subsequent code.
> >
> > --
> > Andy Lacey
> > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk <http://www.minstersystems.co.uk>
> >
> >
> >
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> > From: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <accessd at
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> > <http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd>  <accessD at
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> > >
> > Subject: [AccessD] Required Field in Function
> > Date: 02/09/04 12:45
> >
> >
> >  I have a function (code below) that is used to append data from a
> > linked Excel file (xlsBPS). The Excel file is linked to the database
> > as a table.  There is a column in the Excel file named AssetID - this
> > is a required field in the database. Yesterday when the user ran the
> > append code the AssetID was blank in one of the records in the xlsBPS
> > file. This caused
>all
> > the records to move up one. For example:
> >
> >  Record 1: AssetID =
> >              Description: This one
> >
> >  Record 2: AssetID = ABC
> >              Description: My Name
> >
> >  The results after the append code ran were:
> >
> >  Record 1: AssetID  = ABC
> >              Description: This one
> >
> > What can I add to the function to check for null fields to ensure the
> > AssetID is completed, if not, the code does not run? I tried adding a
>check
> > (where I added the ***** in the code, but I receive the error, RunTime
>424,
> > Object Required.
> >
> >  Virginia
> > ____________________________________________________________________
> >
> >  Function AppendBPS()
> >
> >  'Appends new data from xlsBPS to tblFailure, tblSystemMain, and
> > tblFailureTimeSelected.
> >
> >      Beep
> >
> >      Title = &quot;Append new BPS data from Excel&quot;
> >
> >      ' Work Order table import.
> >
> >      Msg = &quot;Your are about to modify data in this database.&quot;
> >      Msg = Msg &amp; &quot; Do you want to continue?&quot;
> >      DgDef = vbQuestion + vbYesNo + vbDefaultButton1    ' Describe
>dialog
> > box.
> >
> >      Response = MsgBox(Msg, DgDef, Title)    ' Get user response.
> >      If Response = vbYes Then    ' Evaluate response
> >
> >  ********        If IsNull(xlsBPS.AssetID) Then
> > *******************************
> >  *******     MsgBox &quot;Asset ID must be completed before
> > downloading&quot;
> >  ********    Cancel = True
> >  ******* End If
> >
> >          DoCmd.SetWarnings False
> >
> >          DoCmd.Echo False, &quot;Appending Data&quot;
> >
> >          DoCmd.Hourglass True
> >
> >          'Append data to tables
> >
> >          DoCmd.OpenQuery &quot;qry_AppendBPS_tblSystemMain&quot;,
>acNormal,
> > acEdit
> >  'Open append query for tblSystemMain
> >
> >          DoCmd.OpenQuery &quot;qry_AppendBPS_tblFailures&quot;,
> > acNormal, acEdit 'Open append query for tblFailures
> >          DoCmd.OpenQuery
> > &quot;qry_AppendBPS_tblFailureTimeSelected&quot;,acNormal, acEdit
> > 'Open append query for tblFailureTimeSelected
> >          DoCmd.Echo False, &quot;Appending new data&quot;
> >
> >          DoCmd.Echo True
> >          DoCmd.Hourglass False
> >
> >          Beep
> >
> >          MsgBox &quot;All done!&quot;
> >
> >          DoCmd.SetWarnings True
> >
> >          DoCmd.OpenForm &quot;frmSystemFailure&quot;, acNormal,
> > &quot;qryStatusPending&quot;, , acFormEdit, acWindowNormal
> >
> >      Else
> >
> >         ' You chose No or pressed Enter.
> >
> >      End If
> >
> >  End Function
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From James at fcidms.com  Thu Sep  2 13:53:52 2004
From: James at fcidms.com (James Barash)
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 14:53:52 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Rotating Excel
In-Reply-To: <001101c48fc0$747cdf50$80b3fea9@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <200409021853.OAA04105@kittybird.bcentralhost.com>

John:

Excel has a absolute maximum of 256 columns (1 byte of addressing) so you
cannot directly export any more than that. You are also limited to 65,536
rows but that shouldn't be an issue. While you could export and transpose
256 columns at a time, you are probably better off doing the whole thing in
code: create an excel sheet with 101 columns of text, extract the field
names and write them to the first column, then extract and write the 100
rows to the rest of the columns. I have some code that does something like
this I've used to create cross-tab reports in excel if you'd like.

James Barash

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 9:10 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Rotating Excel

I need to export data from this big database into Excel.  The objective = is
to get the FIELD NAMES out with data from about 100 records.  I then = need
to rotate excel such that the field names are down the left side and the =
data for each record runs down vertically, the data for any given field runs
across horizontally.  Can anyone tell me how to rotate the spreadsheet =
such that the field names are down the left side?

I assume that the export MUST go out with the field names across the top
row, and the data below that. =20

Can anyone tell me how to get the entire 600+ fields out in a single =
export? When I try to use dts it works but complains (fails) if I try and
export more than about 240 fields.  It LOOKS LIKE perhaps the length of the
= field names in the first row is confusing Excel.  It is telling me I am =
exceeding the 1000 column limit (or some such)

What I really want to do is export all the columns (about 600) with the
field names in the top row, then rotate the whole shootin match.  Any
assistance on any of this is greatly appreciated.


John W. Colby
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From Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com  Thu Sep  2 14:17:16 2004
From: Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com (Hale, Jim)
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 14:17:16 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] Rotating Excel
Message-ID: <6A6AA9DF57E4F046BDA1E273BDDB677217FEBA@corp-es01.fleetpride.com>

One way to do it would be to create a pivot table with the column heading
field on the left. It could be created from within Excel linking to the
Access table or from within Access using code.
Jim Hale

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From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 8:10 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Rotating Excel


I need to export data from this big database into Excel.  The objective = is
to get the FIELD NAMES out with data from about 100 records.  I then = need
to rotate excel such that the field names are down the left side and the =
data for each record runs down vertically, the data for any given field runs
across horizontally.  Can anyone tell me how to rotate the spreadsheet =
such that the field names are down the left side?

I assume that the export MUST go out with the field names across the top
row, and the data below that. =20

Can anyone tell me how to get the entire 600+ fields out in a single =
export? When I try to use dts it works but complains (fails) if I try and
export more than about 240 fields.  It LOOKS LIKE perhaps the length of the
= field names in the first row is confusing Excel.  It is telling me I am =
exceeding the 1000 column limit (or some such)

What I really want to do is export all the columns (about 600) with the
field names in the top row, then rotate the whole shootin match.  Any
assistance on any of this is greatly appreciated.


John W. Colby
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Thu Sep  2 14:53:31 2004
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (DWUTKA at marlow.com)
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 14:53:31 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] FW: photo editing
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8031BB328@main2.marlow.com>

I think your right.  I know it was in NT 4.0, and I know it's on W2k, didn't
know it wasn't on XP.  That stinks.

Drew

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 11:09 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] FW: photo editing


Drew,

I believe you are talking about Kodak Imaging, which was a nice program.  It
was available in W2K, but not in WXP.  I read somewhere that Kodak and MS
has a falling out.  I searched MS for information, and was directed to a
link which was a third party who provided similar software for about
$100/seat.  

Rats!

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of DWUTKA at marlow.com
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 9:45 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] FW: photo editing

All NT based machines (as far as I know) come with Imaging.  It's sort of
like paint, but can save as .TIFF files.  It also measures in inches (or you
can change what you units you want).  Should be directly under Accessories
in the program menu.

FYI, I opened a .gif in it, but it wouldn't let me 'edit' anything until I
saved it as a TIFF (or another format).

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 9:32 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] FW: photo editing


My sister in law is looking for photo editing stuff.  If anyone knows of any
that fits the description in the message below my sig could you reply
directly to me off line or directly to Janice.

Thanks,

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: JMcK110 at aol.com [mailto:JMcK110 at aol.com] 
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 9:00 AM
To: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com
Subject: photo editing


John:
For your type of computer, are you familiar with any non-professional 
software(not Photoshop) that lets you save photos as tiffs and measure
photos in 
inches rather than pixels?

Client is using Microsfot Photo Editor and having lots of trouble with it?

Don't do any research on this question.  I know you're busy.  I'm just 
looking for off the top of your head answer.
Janice



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From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Sep  2 16:22:39 2004
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence (AccessD))
Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 14:22:39 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] The Very very big DB
In-Reply-To: <002c01c490a0$40f98d00$80b3fea9@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <FJEJLIPOMCGJALMGLLLIAEEDCGAA.accessd@shaw.ca>

Hi John:

I have sent along your problem(s) to a friend who has some extensive work in
various SQL DBS to see if he had any comments. He found the whole scenario
very intriguing and then sent this email:

<email>
With the OLAP layout, are we looking at a central table with basic person
info (pivot table) surrounded by a bunch of "fact tables", as follows?

         /* the "pivot" table */
         person
                 person_id
                 person_name
                 (maybe a few more fundamental attributes)

         /* the "fact" tables (possibly hundreds of these) */
         address
                 person_id
                 street
                 city
                 zip_code
                 etc.

         education
                 person_id
                 highest_level_reached
                 specialty
                 etc.

         etc. (ad nauseum)

Or, is our friend planning to put it all in one table with 600 columns?

Either way, I would be interested in trying the following, which is close
to what I was doing in Calgary.  I am not quite sure how well the server
will handle it, but it does offer some advantages:

         /* pivot table */
         person
                 person_id
                 person_name

         info_tags
                 info_tag        /* primary key, e.g., "address", "phone
number", "edu_highest_level" etc. */
                 info_description /* a long description for the tag */
                 is_required     /* whether this is a required or optional
tag */
                 info_class      /* text, number, money etc (for use with
validation and display stuff) */
                 etc.

         /* fact table */
         person_info
                 person_id       /* foreign key -> person */
                 info_tag        /* foreign key -> info_tags */
                 info            /* the actual info, stored as a general
type (I forget what this is called in SQL server) */

Notice a few things about this design:
         - There is only one fact table.  This is both a blessing and a
curse.
           The blessing:
                 - It can be sparsely populated; only the attributes that
apply to a given person need be filled in.  No nulls to deal with.
                 - New tags can be added on the fly, because they are simply
metadata.
                 - very simple to understand the schema, and to query for
any combination of tags your heart desires.
                 - a max of three indexes required on the fact table; one of
these can be a clustered index.

           The curse:
                 - the table is humungous: potentially, 60 million x 600 =
36 billion records.
                   This will make for some pretty slow index builds, and
painfully slow table
                   scans.  The key to success will be queries that avoid
table scans.

BTW, the potential benefits of using Cache to do this would be many:  the
resulting data compression and much easier index management, along with a
big increase in speed.  Very easy distribution across multiple physical
databases and processors.  As for the cost, it depends on the number of
access seats that are required.  I was surprised at how reasonably priced
these guys are.  In many situations, they are way cheaper than SQL server.
When we spoke to them, we were going to get licences at $US200 per seat.
There enterprise licence was $US500 / seat.  This included full networking
of multiple databases - much easier to do than with SQL server.  At the end
of the day, especially if you consider the hardware and screwing-around
costs, much cheaper than SQL server...
</email>

Hope this provides some useful information.
Jim



From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Thu Sep  2 19:10:07 2004
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 17:10:07 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] A2K3 Import does not work
References: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF0ADB68@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
Message-ID: <4137B65F.4010408@shaw.ca>

Works fine for me with either csv or txt extension
Are you sure you are highlighting filename before clicking import
It even works if you doubleclick on filename.
Maybe text driver is not installed.

Erwin Craps - IT Helps wrote:

>In Access 2003 to import a txt file (CSV)
> 
>File >Import > change to TXT file > select file and open
>Nothing happens. I just come back to the database window.
>No error, no import, no nothing!!
> 
>Same thing in A2K2 (XP) works fine....
> 
> 
>
> 
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From john at winhaven.net  Thu Sep  2 23:01:10 2004
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 23:01:10 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access & AutoCAD
In-Reply-To: <BA209D7D3A20BE499AB726E4ED7A6DA1FCB6FB@nprdex02.nns.com>
Message-ID: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIEELFFNAA.john@winhaven.net>

Mark,
I'm assuming, you are probably being driven by another department which
already has or has decided to use AutoCad. If not have you considered doing
this with Visio? I've seen similar building/equipment projects done iwth
Visio automation.

Sorry I can't be of any help on this - the scope of it is far beyond my
experience with AutoCad. What I do know is that this will project take a lot
of enthusiam, time, endurance and patience - Good Luck!

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Mitsules, Mark
S. (Newport News)
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 12:51 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access & AutoCAD


Both.  First project is our departmental floor plan which will include ALL
of the attributes for personnel and equipment.  Later projects will build
BOM drawings in AutoCAD dynamically.  Concurrently with those, I would like
to develop an automation process which monitors a network folder, and when a
new drawing is placed there, automatically extract certain drawing
attributes, log them into a database, and create a .dwf format version for
intranet publication.


Mark


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From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 1:30 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access & AutoCAD


Mark,
Are you trying to use automation between the two or are you trying to use
access as a database for Autocad Attributes?

John B.

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Mitsules, Mark
S. (Newport News)
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 12:04 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access & AutoCAD


...so I'm guessing I'm the only one in this unique position:(((


Mark





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From: Mitsules, Mark
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 5:42 PM
To: [AccessD]
Subject: [AccessD] Access & AutoCAD


Has anyone tackled this combination?  There is ONE example in the AutoCAD
samples folder.  There is ONE book that I found regarding database
connectivity (circa 1999).  ...and a DISTINCT lack of web-based material as
far as I can tell:(  I would be most appreciative for pointers towards any
of the following: recent books (AutoCAD 2002 or later), web-based tutorials,
web-based examples, personal examples, cave paintings...anything.

Thanks in advance for any/all information.

Mark
Conversely, I am willing to pay $40 to anyone willing to take the AutoCAD
help files and develop a booklet within the next 2 weeks, including a table
of contents, that will allow me to chronologically work my way through a
project.
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From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Fri Sep  3 01:40:09 2004
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps - IT Helps)
Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 08:40:09 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Reader for .MSG files.
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF0ADB6F@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

Well thats an E-mail client...

The problem is that the company is not allowed to install another E-mail
client than Notes.

And it really must be a simple viewer like The Access Snapshot viewer
(for example).
Just by doubleclicking on the .MSG file the content must displayed and
the Excel file in the .MSG file can be opened directly like in
outlook...

But thx anyway

Erwin
 

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 5:54 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Reader for .MSG files.

Hi Erwin

"The Bat!" from RitLabs can import msg and eml files.

/gustav


> Does a simple reader software exist to read, exported from Outlook, 
> .MSG files?
> To read the MSG file without having outlook.
> Opening  a attachement in that MSG file must also be posible.

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From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com  Thu Sep  2 10:11:34 2004
From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 11:11:34 -0400 
Subject: [AccessD] Form Resizing Itself
Message-ID: <1D7828CDB8350747AFE9D69E0E90DA1F02D08894@xlivmbx21.aig.com>

This happens in all versions of access and indeed all MDI applications. 

If you want to keep the first form maximized either issue a DomCmd.Mazimize
in the form's Activate event or open the other forms in pop-up mode.

Lambert

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> Sent:	Thursday, September 02, 2004 10:09 AM
> To:	accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject:	[AccessD] Form Resizing Itself
> 
> I don't think I have worked in A2K (XP).  The funkiest thing is
> happening.  I have a frmMainSwitchboard that opens, I do a
> DoCmd.Maximize in the on open event.  If I click on a button to open up
> another form, leaving frmMainSwitchboard open, when I return to
> frmMainSwitchboard it shrinks in size to center itself on the screen.  I
> have all the centering stuff turned off.  There is no code that touches
> this form from the second code.  What the?  Any ideas, this should be a
> simple one.
> 
> Karen Nicholson
> National Laboratory
> Xerox Global Services
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From thevigil at kabelfoon.nl  Fri Sep  3 03:32:44 2004
From: thevigil at kabelfoon.nl (Bert-Jan Brinkhuis)
Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 10:32:44 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Columns with composite data
References: <9C382E065F54AE48BC3AA7925DCBB01C0103E29C@karta-exc-int.Karta.com>
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Hi Jim,

you have probably tried this, but you didn't mention it (and i didn't test
if it is working for you!) but have you tried a page footer? Or maybe a
group footer?

HTH

Bert-Jan

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Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 5:15 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Columns with composite data



Just curious if anyone has done this before.
I created a report with four columns.  The columns run down, then across.
The fourth column of page 3 is about half way down the page in length.
Is it possible to use the remainder of the column space for a composite
data?
E.g. total number of records or something similar.
If put in the Report footer, a new page is generated.
I currently put such information in the Report Header.

Thanks,

Jim



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From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Fri Sep  3 04:38:34 2004
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps - IT Helps)
Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 11:38:34 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] A2K3 Import does not work
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF0ADB73@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

Yeah I'm sure.

Select file, click open.
The first time I see in the status bar "preparing import wizards"
(translated from dutch) very fast disapearing and nothing happens, I'm
back in the database window.

XLS files don't work neither.
MDB works, dont know for others type.

I do have A2K, A2K2 and A2K3 on my computer...


Erwin



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Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K3 Import does not work

Works fine for me with either csv or txt extension Are you sure you are
highlighting filename before clicking import It even works if you
doubleclick on filename.
Maybe text driver is not installed.

Erwin Craps - IT Helps wrote:

>In Access 2003 to import a txt file (CSV)
> 
>File >Import > change to TXT file > select file and open Nothing 
>happens. I just come back to the database window.
>No error, no import, no nothing!!
> 
>Same thing in A2K2 (XP) works fine....
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From cyx5 at cdc.gov  Fri Sep  3 06:09:05 2004
From: cyx5 at cdc.gov (Nicholson, Karen)
Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 07:09:05 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Form Resizing Itself
Message-ID: <A5B5AA20555F594BA7B6BD2048E49E43840659@m-niosh-5.niosh.cdc.gov>

I do issue a docmd.maximize on both the on open and activate for the
first switchboard form.  When a button is clicked to open the next form,
also in maximized state, the switchboard resizes itself, so when I
return it is small - until I put the on activate maximize.  I don't like
the momentary flicker that occurs as the first form re-maximizes.  But,
I suppose that is life?  I don't remember Access doing this before.  It
has been about a year and a half since I worked in Access, though.  And
I am so happy to be back having fun.  Spent a year and a half doing SQL
development.  This database is front end Access and back end SQL.
Someday to be upped to VB.net/ASP.net after I get the design fixed,
which should take a few months.

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan,
Lambert
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 11:12 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; Nicholson, Karen
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Form Resizing Itself


This happens in all versions of access and indeed all MDI applications. 

If you want to keep the first form maximized either issue a
DomCmd.Mazimize
in the form's Activate event or open the other forms in pop-up mode.

Lambert

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Karen
> Sent:	Thursday, September 02, 2004 10:09 AM
> To:	accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject:	[AccessD] Form Resizing Itself
> 
> I don't think I have worked in A2K (XP).  The funkiest thing is
> happening.  I have a frmMainSwitchboard that opens, I do a
> DoCmd.Maximize in the on open event.  If I click on a button to open
up
> another form, leaving frmMainSwitchboard open, when I return to
> frmMainSwitchboard it shrinks in size to center itself on the screen.
I
> have all the centering stuff turned off.  There is no code that
touches
> this form from the second code.  What the?  Any ideas, this should be
a
> simple one.
> 
> Karen Nicholson
> National Laboratory
> Xerox Global Services
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From awithing at twcny.rr.com  Fri Sep  3 06:43:22 2004
From: awithing at twcny.rr.com (augusta withington)
Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 07:43:22 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access & AutoCAD
In-Reply-To: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIEELFFNAA.john@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <200409031145.i83BjLZw015552@ms-smtp-01.nyroc.rr.com>

I remember researching this same question for a client - they wanted to take
the drawings they had for the local schools and integrate with a database
each room, how lightbulbs, exits -Facilities Management-. . .etc. It was a
NYS requirement.  There is a different product that AutoDesk makes that
addresses this. I think that it is called MapGIde. What also works is
ARCView and Microstation. 

Hth Augusta


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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 12:01 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access & AutoCAD

Mark,
I'm assuming, you are probably being driven by another department which
already has or has decided to use AutoCad. If not have you considered doing
this with Visio? I've seen similar building/equipment projects done iwth
Visio automation.

Sorry I can't be of any help on this - the scope of it is far beyond my
experience with AutoCad. What I do know is that this will project take a lot
of enthusiam, time, endurance and patience - Good Luck!

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Mitsules, Mark
S. (Newport News)
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 12:51 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access & AutoCAD


Both.  First project is our departmental floor plan which will include ALL
of the attributes for personnel and equipment.  Later projects will build
BOM drawings in AutoCAD dynamically.  Concurrently with those, I would like
to develop an automation process which monitors a network folder, and when a
new drawing is placed there, automatically extract certain drawing
attributes, log them into a database, and create a .dwf format version for
intranet publication.


Mark


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From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 1:30 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access & AutoCAD


Mark,
Are you trying to use automation between the two or are you trying to use
access as a database for Autocad Attributes?

John B.

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Mitsules, Mark
S. (Newport News)
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 12:04 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access & AutoCAD


...so I'm guessing I'm the only one in this unique position:(((


Mark





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From: Mitsules, Mark
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 5:42 PM
To: [AccessD]
Subject: [AccessD] Access & AutoCAD


Has anyone tackled this combination?  There is ONE example in the AutoCAD
samples folder.  There is ONE book that I found regarding database
connectivity (circa 1999).  ...and a DISTINCT lack of web-based material as
far as I can tell:(  I would be most appreciative for pointers towards any
of the following: recent books (AutoCAD 2002 or later), web-based tutorials,
web-based examples, personal examples, cave paintings...anything.

Thanks in advance for any/all information.

Mark
Conversely, I am willing to pay $40 to anyone willing to take the AutoCAD
help files and develop a booklet within the next 2 weeks, including a table
of contents, that will allow me to chronologically work my way through a
project.
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From JHewson at karta.com  Fri Sep  3 08:09:53 2004
From: JHewson at karta.com (Jim Hewson)
Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 08:09:53 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Columns with composite data
Message-ID: <9C382E065F54AE48BC3AA7925DCBB01C0103E2D5@karta-exc-int.Karta.com>

Bert-Jan,
I tried both.  The page footer gave me "#error" on each page.
The group footer gave me a total for each record.  
But... that got me to thinking -- after your email, I might add.
In the query, I created a field ( CNT: IIf(IsNull(LastName),1,0) ) so all the results would be the same.  I then created the group footer using the name of the new field.  It worked!  I now have the Total at the bottom of the last column.
Thanks.
Jim

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Bert-Jan
Brinkhuis
Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 3:33 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Columns with composite data


Hi Jim,

you have probably tried this, but you didn't mention it (and i didn't test
if it is working for you!) but have you tried a page footer? Or maybe a
group footer?

HTH

Bert-Jan

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From: "Jim Hewson" <JHewson at karta.com>
To: "AccessD" <accessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 5:15 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Columns with composite data



Just curious if anyone has done this before.
I created a report with four columns.  The columns run down, then across.
The fourth column of page 3 is about half way down the page in length.
Is it possible to use the remainder of the column space for a composite
data?
E.g. total number of records or something similar.
If put in the Report footer, a new page is generated.
I currently put such information in the Report Header.

Thanks,

Jim



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From gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Sep  3 10:24:29 2004
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 17:24:29 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Remote Desktop Connection Client 1.0.2 for Mac OS X
In-Reply-To: <6826407592.20040827181338@cactus.dk>
References: <6826407592.20040827181338@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <15718612102.20040903172429@cactus.dk>

Hi all

No comments on this?
Looks like an easy way to bring your app to the desktop of a Mac user.

/gustav


> Anyone having experiences with this, running Access or anything else?

> http://www.microsoft.com/mac/downloads.aspx?pid=download&location=/mac/DOWNLOAD/MISC/RDC.xml&secid=80&ssid=9&flgnosysreq=False

> If connecting to a Terminal Server what are the licensing for this
> for, say, 10 users? What that be a Windows 2003 server with 10 CALs?



From john at winhaven.net  Fri Sep  3 10:46:39 2004
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 10:46:39 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access & AutoCAD
In-Reply-To: <200409031145.i83BjLZw015552@ms-smtp-01.nyroc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJCEGFHIAA.john@winhaven.net>

Hi Augusta
Good point - there are a number of Facility Mgt packages (that ride on top
of Microstation and or Autocad) that would probably do this out of the box.
We used quite a few add-ons for engineering, surveying, plat mapping,
hydrography, etc. All functions that you could build yourself but the time
would have been more than the cost of the packages.

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of augusta
withington
Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 6:43 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access & AutoCAD


I remember researching this same question for a client - they wanted to take
the drawings they had for the local schools and integrate with a database
each room, how lightbulbs, exits -Facilities Management-. . .etc. It was a
NYS requirement.  There is a different product that AutoDesk makes that
addresses this. I think that it is called MapGIde. What also works is
ARCView and Microstation.

Hth Augusta


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 12:01 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access & AutoCAD

Mark,
I'm assuming, you are probably being driven by another department which
already has or has decided to use AutoCad. If not have you considered doing
this with Visio? I've seen similar building/equipment projects done iwth
Visio automation.

Sorry I can't be of any help on this - the scope of it is far beyond my
experience with AutoCad. What I do know is that this will project take a lot
of enthusiam, time, endurance and patience - Good Luck!

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Mitsules, Mark
S. (Newport News)
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 12:51 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access & AutoCAD


Both.  First project is our departmental floor plan which will include ALL
of the attributes for personnel and equipment.  Later projects will build
BOM drawings in AutoCAD dynamically.  Concurrently with those, I would like
to develop an automation process which monitors a network folder, and when a
new drawing is placed there, automatically extract certain drawing
attributes, log them into a database, and create a .dwf format version for
intranet publication.


Mark


-----Original Message-----
From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 1:30 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access & AutoCAD


Mark,
Are you trying to use automation between the two or are you trying to use
access as a database for Autocad Attributes?

John B.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Mitsules, Mark
S. (Newport News)
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 12:04 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access & AutoCAD


...so I'm guessing I'm the only one in this unique position:(((


Mark





-----Original Message-----
From: Mitsules, Mark
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 5:42 PM
To: [AccessD]
Subject: [AccessD] Access & AutoCAD


Has anyone tackled this combination?  There is ONE example in the AutoCAD
samples folder.  There is ONE book that I found regarding database
connectivity (circa 1999).  ...and a DISTINCT lack of web-based material as
far as I can tell:(  I would be most appreciative for pointers towards any
of the following: recent books (AutoCAD 2002 or later), web-based tutorials,
web-based examples, personal examples, cave paintings...anything.

Thanks in advance for any/all information.

Mark
Conversely, I am willing to pay $40 to anyone willing to take the AutoCAD
help files and develop a booklet within the next 2 weeks, including a table
of contents, that will allow me to chronologically work my way through a
project.
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From Paul at PStrauss.net  Fri Sep  3 12:52:41 2004
From: Paul at PStrauss.net (Paul Strauss)
Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2004 13:52:41 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Form Resizing Itself
In-Reply-To: <A5B5AA20555F594BA7B6BD2048E49E43840659@m-niosh-5.niosh.cdc .gov>
References: <A5B5AA20555F594BA7B6BD2048E49E43840659@m-niosh-5.niosh.cdc.gov>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20040903134839.02239418@mail.pstrauss.net>

At 9/3/2004 07:09 AM, you wrote:
>I do issue a docmd.maximize on both the on open and activate for the
>first switchboard form.  When a button is clicked to open the next form,
>also in maximized state, the switchboard resizes itself, so when I
>return it is small - until I put the on activate maximize.  I don't like
>the momentary flicker that occurs as the first form re-maximizes.  But,
>I suppose that is life?  ...snip

Try enclosing the DoCmd.Maximize in Echo Off/Echo On. This sometimes helps 
this kind of problem.


Regards,
Paul Strauss




From cyx5 at cdc.gov  Fri Sep  3 14:15:48 2004
From: cyx5 at cdc.gov (Nicholson, Karen)
Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 15:15:48 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] VB Menus - Creating Function for Actions?
Message-ID: <A5B5AA20555F594BA7B6BD2048E49E4384B40C@m-niosh-5.niosh.cdc.gov>

I am coding my custom menus for many forms.  From what I have read, it
seems that in order to process an .OnAction, one needs to create a
function that can be reference inside of, for instance:

.Caption = "Tracking Sheet - Approval Applications"
.OnAction = "fnOpenTrackingSystemCL"

Do I really need to create functions to execute something as simple as:
DoCmd.OpenForm "frmTrackingSystemCL", acNormal
DoCmd.Maximize
(which is in the function fnOpenTrackingSystemCL)

Show below is my code for the menu item; there are a few modules
associated with this code to make it work, but this is the bulk of it:


Sub CreateNewMenuB()
  
    Dim strMenuNameB As String
    Dim cmdNewMenuB As CommandBar
    Dim cctlFormMenuB As CommandBarControl
    Dim cctlExitMenuB As CommandBarControl
        
    strMenuNameB = "ClosedProjectsMenu"
    
    'If strMenuName exists then deleted it. Commandbars have unique
names.
    'See global section for fIsCreated
    
    If fIsCreated(strMenuNameB) Then
        Application.CommandBars(strMenuNameB).Delete
    End If
        
    'Create a new Commandbar as MenuType
    
    Set cmdNewMenuB = Application.CommandBars.Add(strMenuNameB,
msoBarTop, True, False)
    
    With cmdNewMenuB
        'Set commandbar protection to no protection so users can change
it
        .Protection = msoBarNoProtection
        'Show new menu
        .Visible = True
    End With
       
    'Creating Form menu
    
    Set cctlFormMenuB = cmdNewMenuB.Controls.Add(msoControlPopup)
    cctlFormMenuB.Caption = "&File"
    
    'Creating Exit menu under File
    
    Set cctlExitMenuB = cctlFormMenuB.Controls.Add(msoControlButton)
    With cctlExitMenuB
        .Caption = "R&eturn"
        .OnAction = "fnQuitApp"
        .Caption = "Tracking Sheet - Approval Applications"
        .OnAction = "fnOpenTrackingSystemCL"
    End With
      
End Sub

Karen Nicholson
National Laboratory
Xerox Global Services




From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Sep  3 14:31:58 2004
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2004 15:31:58 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] JIT Forms?
In-Reply-To: <b874372a04090208466b024ab3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000001c491ec$b123a870$80b3fea9@ColbyM6805>

Well... The thing to understand is that a control is nothing more than VB
code.  You can export a form to text and see the vb code used to create it.
Thus when you add a control to a form you are literally adding code to the
form's module except that you are doing so via the design wizard.  You can
add code to the module directly, but it has to be in design view.

I have never done this, but I know the concept.  I have done manipulation of
code in the modules before.  I would advise looking at the form's vba to see
what you need to do.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Francisco Tapia
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 11:47 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] JIT Forms?


so the idea is to open the form up in design first add the fields? is that
right?

thanks,

On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 13:47:27 -0400, John W. Colby
<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
> You can do that but only in design view.
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
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> Tapia
> Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 11:46 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] JIT Forms?
> 
> Anyone have a link, or advice on creating controls JIT?
> 
> Access2000 / ADP
> I have an unbound form, that I'd like to pass a recordset to and thus 
> be able to on-the-fly create controls that match the recordset... any 
> ideas?
> 
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri Sep  3 15:00:00 2004
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 13:00:00 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] VB Menus - Creating Function for Actions?
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312A27@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Yes.  You need to create either functions or macros for custom actions
in the menubars.

Charlotte


-----Original Message-----
From: Nicholson, Karen [mailto:cyx5 at cdc.gov] 
Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 12:16 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] VB Menus - Creating Function for Actions?


I am coding my custom menus for many forms.  From what I have read, it
seems that in order to process an .OnAction, one needs to create a
function that can be reference inside of, for instance:

.Caption = "Tracking Sheet - Approval Applications"
.OnAction = "fnOpenTrackingSystemCL"

Do I really need to create functions to execute something as simple as:
DoCmd.OpenForm "frmTrackingSystemCL", acNormal DoCmd.Maximize (which is
in the function fnOpenTrackingSystemCL)

Show below is my code for the menu item; there are a few modules
associated with this code to make it work, but this is the bulk of it:


Sub CreateNewMenuB()
  
    Dim strMenuNameB As String
    Dim cmdNewMenuB As CommandBar
    Dim cctlFormMenuB As CommandBarControl
    Dim cctlExitMenuB As CommandBarControl
        
    strMenuNameB = "ClosedProjectsMenu"
    
    'If strMenuName exists then deleted it. Commandbars have unique
names.
    'See global section for fIsCreated
    
    If fIsCreated(strMenuNameB) Then
        Application.CommandBars(strMenuNameB).Delete
    End If
        
    'Create a new Commandbar as MenuType
    
    Set cmdNewMenuB = Application.CommandBars.Add(strMenuNameB,
msoBarTop, True, False)
    
    With cmdNewMenuB
        'Set commandbar protection to no protection so users can change
it
        .Protection = msoBarNoProtection
        'Show new menu
        .Visible = True
    End With
       
    'Creating Form menu
    
    Set cctlFormMenuB = cmdNewMenuB.Controls.Add(msoControlPopup)
    cctlFormMenuB.Caption = "&File"
    
    'Creating Exit menu under File
    
    Set cctlExitMenuB = cctlFormMenuB.Controls.Add(msoControlButton)
    With cctlExitMenuB
        .Caption = "R&eturn"
        .OnAction = "fnQuitApp"
        .Caption = "Tracking Sheet - Approval Applications"
        .OnAction = "fnOpenTrackingSystemCL"
    End With
      
End Sub

Karen Nicholson
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri Sep  3 15:03:17 2004
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 13:03:17 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] JIT Forms?
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312A28@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Look at the Application.CreateControl method for creating controls from
code.  If you want code behind that control, you need to add that to the
form's module and set the control's named event to "[event procedure]"
to connect them.

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 12:32 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] JIT Forms?


Well... The thing to understand is that a control is nothing more than
VB code.  You can export a form to text and see the vb code used to
create it. Thus when you add a control to a form you are literally
adding code to the form's module except that you are doing so via the
design wizard.  You can add code to the module directly, but it has to
be in design view.

I have never done this, but I know the concept.  I have done
manipulation of code in the modules before.  I would advise looking at
the form's vba to see what you need to do.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Francisco
Tapia
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 11:47 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] JIT Forms?


so the idea is to open the form up in design first add the fields? is
that right?

thanks,

On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 13:47:27 -0400, John W. Colby
<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
> You can do that but only in design view.
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Francisco
> Tapia
> Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 11:46 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] JIT Forms?
> 
> Anyone have a link, or advice on creating controls JIT?
> 
> Access2000 / ADP
> I have an unbound form, that I'd like to pass a recordset to and thus
> be able to on-the-fly create controls that match the recordset... any 
> ideas?
> 
> --
> -Francisco
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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Fri Sep  3 15:00:00 2004
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 15:00:00 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] VB Menus - Creating Function for Actions?
In-Reply-To: <14123085.1094239780007.JavaMail.root@sniper7.usinternet.com>
Message-ID: <001b01c491f0$9875c4d0$de1811d8@danwaters>

Hello Karen,

I've only done this once with custom menus, but I did use an argument in the
Function.  For example, 

OnAction is =StatusChange("Green")

There are three items on the menu, Red, Yellow, and Green.  They each call
the same Function, but the action is dictated by the argument.

In the Function, set up a Select Case scenario, and you've gone from three
functions to one.

HTH!
Dan Waters

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Nicholson, Karen
Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 2:16 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] VB Menus - Creating Function for Actions?

I am coding my custom menus for many forms.  From what I have read, it
seems that in order to process an .OnAction, one needs to create a
function that can be reference inside of, for instance:

.Caption = "Tracking Sheet - Approval Applications"
.OnAction = "fnOpenTrackingSystemCL"

Do I really need to create functions to execute something as simple as:
DoCmd.OpenForm "frmTrackingSystemCL", acNormal
DoCmd.Maximize
(which is in the function fnOpenTrackingSystemCL)

Show below is my code for the menu item; there are a few modules
associated with this code to make it work, but this is the bulk of it:


Sub CreateNewMenuB()
  
    Dim strMenuNameB As String
    Dim cmdNewMenuB As CommandBar
    Dim cctlFormMenuB As CommandBarControl
    Dim cctlExitMenuB As CommandBarControl
        
    strMenuNameB = "ClosedProjectsMenu"
    
    'If strMenuName exists then deleted it. Commandbars have unique
names.
    'See global section for fIsCreated
    
    If fIsCreated(strMenuNameB) Then
        Application.CommandBars(strMenuNameB).Delete
    End If
        
    'Create a new Commandbar as MenuType
    
    Set cmdNewMenuB = Application.CommandBars.Add(strMenuNameB,
msoBarTop, True, False)
    
    With cmdNewMenuB
        'Set commandbar protection to no protection so users can change
it
        .Protection = msoBarNoProtection
        'Show new menu
        .Visible = True
    End With
       
    'Creating Form menu
    
    Set cctlFormMenuB = cmdNewMenuB.Controls.Add(msoControlPopup)
    cctlFormMenuB.Caption = "&File"
    
    'Creating Exit menu under File
    
    Set cctlExitMenuB = cctlFormMenuB.Controls.Add(msoControlButton)
    With cctlExitMenuB
        .Caption = "R&eturn"
        .OnAction = "fnQuitApp"
        .Caption = "Tracking Sheet - Approval Applications"
        .OnAction = "fnOpenTrackingSystemCL"
    End With
      
End Sub

Karen Nicholson
National Laboratory
Xerox Global Services


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From mikedorism at adelphia.net  Fri Sep  3 15:07:53 2004
From: mikedorism at adelphia.net (Mike & Doris Manning)
Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 16:07:53 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] VB Menus - Creating Function for Actions?
In-Reply-To: <A5B5AA20555F594BA7B6BD2048E49E4384B40C@m-niosh-5.niosh.cdc.gov>
Message-ID: <000001c491f1$b2cfdf90$cb0ba845@hargrove.internal>

I'm afraid so.

Doris Manning
Database Administrator
Hargrove Inc.
www.hargroveinc.com


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Nicholson, Karen
Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 3:16 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] VB Menus - Creating Function for Actions?


I am coding my custom menus for many forms.  From what I have read, it seems
that in order to process an .OnAction, one needs to create a function that
can be reference inside of, for instance:

.Caption = "Tracking Sheet - Approval Applications"
.OnAction = "fnOpenTrackingSystemCL"

Do I really need to create functions to execute something as simple as:
DoCmd.OpenForm "frmTrackingSystemCL", acNormal DoCmd.Maximize (which is in
the function fnOpenTrackingSystemCL)

Show below is my code for the menu item; there are a few modules associated
with this code to make it work, but this is the bulk of it:


Sub CreateNewMenuB()
  
    Dim strMenuNameB As String
    Dim cmdNewMenuB As CommandBar
    Dim cctlFormMenuB As CommandBarControl
    Dim cctlExitMenuB As CommandBarControl
        
    strMenuNameB = "ClosedProjectsMenu"
    
    'If strMenuName exists then deleted it. Commandbars have unique names.
    'See global section for fIsCreated
    
    If fIsCreated(strMenuNameB) Then
        Application.CommandBars(strMenuNameB).Delete
    End If
        
    'Create a new Commandbar as MenuType
    
    Set cmdNewMenuB = Application.CommandBars.Add(strMenuNameB,
msoBarTop, True, False)
    
    With cmdNewMenuB
        'Set commandbar protection to no protection so users can change it
        .Protection = msoBarNoProtection
        'Show new menu
        .Visible = True
    End With
       
    'Creating Form menu
    
    Set cctlFormMenuB = cmdNewMenuB.Controls.Add(msoControlPopup)
    cctlFormMenuB.Caption = "&File"
    
    'Creating Exit menu under File
    
    Set cctlExitMenuB = cctlFormMenuB.Controls.Add(msoControlButton)
    With cctlExitMenuB
        .Caption = "R&eturn"
        .OnAction = "fnQuitApp"
        .Caption = "Tracking Sheet - Approval Applications"
        .OnAction = "fnOpenTrackingSystemCL"
    End With
      
End Sub

Karen Nicholson
National Laboratory
Xerox Global Services


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From fhtapia at gmail.com  Fri Sep  3 16:04:53 2004
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 14:04:53 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] JIT Forms?
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312A28@infoserver01.infostat.local>
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312A28@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <b874372a04090314048558218@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for the tip...  I suppose this is something could not be done
in an MDE/ADE environment if it requires that the form be opened in
Design view...


On Fri, 3 Sep 2004 13:03:17 -0700, Charlotte Foust
<cfoust at infostatsystems.com> wrote:
> Look at the Application.CreateControl method for creating controls from
> code.  If you want code behind that control, you need to add that to the
> form's module and set the control's named event to "[event procedure]"
> to connect them.
> 
> Charlotte Foust
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
> Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 12:32 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] JIT Forms?
> 
> Well... The thing to understand is that a control is nothing more than
> VB code.  You can export a form to text and see the vb code used to
> create it. Thus when you add a control to a form you are literally
> adding code to the form's module except that you are doing so via the
> design wizard.  You can add code to the module directly, but it has to
> be in design view.
> 
> I have never done this, but I know the concept.  I have done
> manipulation of code in the modules before.  I would advise looking at
> the form's vba to see what you need to do.
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Francisco
> Tapia
> Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 11:47 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] JIT Forms?
> 
> so the idea is to open the form up in design first add the fields? is
> that right?
> 
> thanks,
> 
> On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 13:47:27 -0400, John W. Colby
> <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
> > You can do that but only in design view.
> >
> > John W. Colby
> > www.ColbyConsulting.com
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Francisco
> > Tapia
> > Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 11:46 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: [AccessD] JIT Forms?
> >
> > Anyone have a link, or advice on creating controls JIT?
> >
> > Access2000 / ADP
> > I have an unbound form, that I'd like to pass a recordset to and thus
> > be able to on-the-fly create controls that match the recordset... any
> > ideas?
> >
> > --
> > -Francisco
> > --
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> 
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Sep  3 16:12:32 2004
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2004 17:12:32 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] JIT Forms?
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312A28@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <000301c491fa$be80cc60$80b3fea9@ColbyM6805>

Charlotte,

Do you know if this works at runtime or only at design time?

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 4:03 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] JIT Forms?


Look at the Application.CreateControl method for creating controls from
code.  If you want code behind that control, you need to add that to the
form's module and set the control's named event to "[event procedure]" to
connect them.

Charlotte Foust





From Lambert.Heenan at aig.com  Wed Sep  1 15:57:50 2004
From: Lambert.Heenan at aig.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 16:57:50 -0400 
Subject: [AccessD] Prompt after Form loads
Message-ID: <1D7828CDB8350747AFE9D69E0E90DA1F02D0888E@xlivmbx21.aig.com>

The Activate event should do the trick, you just need to keep tack of how
many times it fires. I just tried this out with a form/subform setup, and
the following code seems to work just fine

Private Sub Form_Activate()
 Static lngLoaded As Long
    lngLoaded = lngLoaded + 1
    DoEvents
    If lngLoaded > 1 Then MsgBox "Hello " 
End Sub

The DoEvents does not seem to be necessary, but I thought I'd put it in
anyway. 

What I found was that the entire form and subform was displayed with the
exception of some controls on the form which have statements like this...

=Count([cFaceAmount])

... in their control source property.

This was Access 97

Lambert

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [SMTP:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Francisco Tapia
> Sent:	Wednesday, September 01, 2004 3:04 PM
> To:	Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject:	Re: [AccessD] Prompt after Form loads
> 
> I know but if I use the OnCurrent Event, it fires before the form is
> even drawn up on the screen, I have code in the Form_Load event, and
> added a simple "TEST" messagebox to the OnCurrent Event, and found
> that it does not FIRE after the form is visible, instead the user will
> be prompted IF they want to OverRide data w/ Defaults before they can
> read the data, the Timmer control helps to avoid this.... :(
> 
> The code in the Form_Load Event opens recordsets to load into the
> primary form, calls a subform and listbox to load.  When it ends, I'd
> figure that the form would display but it does not. OnCurrent and
> OnActivate also fire before the form is visible... so it appears that
> the only solution is to leave this on the OnTimer event.
> 
> On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 19:59:41 +0200, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
> > Hi Francisco
> > 
> > It's not quite the same.
> > The counter counts to one, then runs your code.
> > No Timer fiddling.
> > 
> > /gustav
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > > just the same I did it as a boolean static
> > 
> > > so
> > > Static blnINIT As Boolean
> > > IF blnINIT = FALSE then
> > >    <code>
> > >     blnINIT = TRUE
> > > Endif
> > 
> > > On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 19:11:43 +0200, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk>
> wrote:
> > >> Hi Francisco
> > >>
> > >> > Why a counter?
> > >>
> > >> Form loads => 1
> > >> Form hits current first time => 2
> > >>
> > >> So:
> > >>
> > >>   If lngCounter = 2 then
> > >>     <your code>
> > >>   End If
> > >>   lngCounter = lngCounter + 1
> > >>
> > >> /gustav
> > >>
> > >> >> But replace the Boolean with a counter: one, two ...
> > 
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Fri Sep  3 19:05:51 2004
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sat, 04 Sep 2004 10:05:51 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Reader for .MSG files.
In-Reply-To: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF0ADB6F@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
Message-ID: <4139937F.2086.1CF024@lexacorp.com.pg>

On 3 Sep 2004 at 8:40, Erwin Craps - IT Helps wrote:

> And it really must be a simple viewer like The Access Snapshot viewer
> (for example).
> Just by doubleclicking on the .MSG file the content must displayed and
> the Excel file in the .MSG file can be opened directly like in
> outlook...
> 

Take a look at

http://www.priasoft.com/products_msg_v.asp
"MSG File Viewer is a convenient application for opening MSG files and 
reading, printing, or viewing the attachments within. MSG Viewer also has a 
lightning fast search utility to allow you to find MSG files that meet 
specific attributes and then open them in the Viewer."

-- 
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri Sep  3 19:09:00 2004
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 17:09:00 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] JIT Forms?
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312A29@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Nope.  I've used it in a development environment to build survey forms,
but I can't imagine a way to do it in an MDE/ADE.

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Francisco Tapia [mailto:fhtapia at gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 2:05 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] JIT Forms?


Thanks for the tip...  I suppose this is something could not be done in
an MDE/ADE environment if it requires that the form be opened in Design
view...


On Fri, 3 Sep 2004 13:03:17 -0700, Charlotte Foust
<cfoust at infostatsystems.com> wrote:
> Look at the Application.CreateControl method for creating controls 
> from code.  If you want code behind that control, you need to add that

> to the form's module and set the control's named event to "[event 
> procedure]" to connect them.
> 
> Charlotte Foust
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
> Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 12:32 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] JIT Forms?
> 
> Well... The thing to understand is that a control is nothing more than

> VB code.  You can export a form to text and see the vb code used to 
> create it. Thus when you add a control to a form you are literally 
> adding code to the form's module except that you are doing so via the 
> design wizard.  You can add code to the module directly, but it has to

> be in design view.
> 
> I have never done this, but I know the concept.  I have done 
> manipulation of code in the modules before.  I would advise looking at

> the form's vba to see what you need to do.
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Francisco 
> Tapia
> Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 11:47 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] JIT Forms?
> 
> so the idea is to open the form up in design first add the fields? is 
> that right?
> 
> thanks,
> 
> On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 13:47:27 -0400, John W. Colby 
> <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
> > You can do that but only in design view.
> >
> > John W. Colby
> > www.ColbyConsulting.com
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Francisco

> > Tapia
> > Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 11:46 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: [AccessD] JIT Forms?
> >
> > Anyone have a link, or advice on creating controls JIT?
> >
> > Access2000 / ADP
> > I have an unbound form, that I'd like to pass a recordset to and 
> > thus be able to on-the-fly create controls that match the 
> > recordset... any ideas?
> >
> > --
> > -Francisco
> > --
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri Sep  3 19:09:59 2004
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 17:09:59 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] JIT Forms?
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312A2A@infoserver01.infostat.local>

I've only used it at design time, so I can't say.  I don't suppose it's
all that different from changing the paper size at run time.

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 2:13 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] JIT Forms?


Charlotte,

Do you know if this works at runtime or only at design time?

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 4:03 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] JIT Forms?


Look at the Application.CreateControl method for creating controls from
code.  If you want code behind that control, you need to add that to the
form's module and set the control's named event to "[event procedure]"
to connect them.

Charlotte Foust



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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Sep  3 20:18:05 2004
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2004 21:18:05 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: 200g hd for $60 After rebate.
Message-ID: <000001c4921d$0c9f9b70$80b3fea9@ColbyM6805>


http://shop1.outpost.com/product/4008252

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 




From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Sep  3 21:14:40 2004
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2004 22:14:40 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] XP SP2 Applied
Message-ID: <000101c49224$f2ecf530$80b3fea9@ColbyM6805>

My Emachines M6805 laptop just applied the XP SP2 with no apparent problems.
Had to turn off Windows firewall (again) after the install.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 




From fhtapia at gmail.com  Fri Sep  3 22:55:54 2004
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 20:55:54 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT: 200g hd for $60 After rebate.
In-Reply-To: <000001c4921d$0c9f9b70$80b3fea9@ColbyM6805>
References: <000001c4921d$0c9f9b70$80b3fea9@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <b874372a04090320551430efae@mail.gmail.com>

smoking deal!!!!


On Fri, 03 Sep 2004 21:18:05 -0400, John W. Colby
<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
> 
> http://shop1.outpost.com/product/4008252
> 
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From Lambert.Heenan at aig.com  Wed Sep  1 12:04:09 2004
From: Lambert.Heenan at aig.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 13:04:09 -0400 
Subject: [AccessD] Prompt after Form loads
Message-ID: <1D7828CDB8350747AFE9D69E0E90DA1F02D0888A@xlivmbx21.aig.com>

If you want to be *sure* that the timer event will not fire again then set
the timer interval to zero.

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [SMTP:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Francisco Tapia
> Sent:	Wednesday, September 01, 2004 12:29 PM
> To:	Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject:	Re: [AccessD] Prompt after Form loads
> 
> On Timmer w/ a static variable is what I ended up using (plus after it
> fires I shoot the timer interval to 2hrs (more than enough time)  so
> it hopefully won't fire again until after their session is done.
> 
> On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 08:41:20 -0700, Francisco Tapia <fhtapia at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Just tried it and the OnCurrent event also fires before the form is
> > loaded :(, gonna try the OnTimmer...
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 08:35:54 -0700, Francisco Tapia <fhtapia at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > > I will try this option Gustav, thanks :D.
> > >
> > > btw, Rocky... What I meant by autoload was that in the Form_Load event
> > > I have code that loads data to the form. because it was in the
> > > form_load event, the prompt was occuring before the user had a chance
> > > to see the form.
> > >
> > > On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 12:34:56 +0200, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk>
> wrote:
> > > > Hi Andy and Francisco
> > > >
> > > > I would suggest OnCurrent.
> > > > To prevent multiple prompts, set a static flag:
> > > >
> > > >   Static booIsPrompted As Boolean
> > > >
> > > >   If booIsPrompted = False Then
> > > >     ' Ask if you user wish to load data.
> > > >     <code>
> > > >     booIsPrompted = True
> > > >   End If
> > >
> > > --
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> > >
> > 
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From fhtapia at gmail.com  Sat Sep  4 00:13:16 2004
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 22:13:16 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] XP SP2 Applied
In-Reply-To: <000101c49224$f2ecf530$80b3fea9@ColbyM6805>
References: <000101c49224$f2ecf530$80b3fea9@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <b874372a04090322136fd861ba@mail.gmail.com>

kudos... I always forget to mention to people tho, that in many cases
it's always best to turn off all services in order to upgrade the SP
just nice... I have a utility that was written by an NT admin Michael
Espinola, I use this script (TARS.cmd) for every SP upgrade I need to
apply to either Windows 2000 and now XP, since then all SP updates
have gone smoothly.  if anyone needs a copy of this file, email me off
list and I can send it on it's way :)



On Fri, 03 Sep 2004 22:14:40 -0400, John W. Colby
<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
> My Emachines M6805 laptop just applied the XP SP2 with no apparent problems.
> Had to turn off Windows firewall (again) after the install.
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
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From fhtapia at gmail.com  Sat Sep  4 01:53:30 2004
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 23:53:30 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] A2K ideas on Order Entry
Message-ID: <b874372a040903235374b57d52@mail.gmail.com>

Brainstorming here:

I have a parent form which houses important order entry information
such as Billto/Shipto, PO#, SO#, and Notes... along with that I have a
listbox (but have been working on a readonly subform datasheet view).

Users currently go into a popup window box to add new lineitems to
this order.  However... I'd like to control where the popup box hovers
over... meaning allowing for the subform to be viewable while the
popup form is on the screen.  This allows ME to refresh the subform to
display the newly entered items.

now currently while in the popup mode, I've made it so that as soon as
one line entry is complete, the form display clears out to allow
another entry, and thus all the data entry guy has to do is key in the
new qty etc. for his order.  but once he is done, I use a keypreview
to capture the ESC key to allow them to get out.  I thought about what
if they could just hit ENTER and when the QTY field is null it should
kick him out, but I get a bizzar error on the .OnExit event of the Qty
Field.  thus I can't exit the form while it's processing or something
like that....

any ideas?.. (yeah I realize that its' 12:00am PST but that's when the
mind is wandering :D)

thanks,



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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sat Sep  4 00:38:35 2004
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence (AccessD))
Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2004 22:38:35 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] XP SP2 Applied
In-Reply-To: <b874372a04090322136fd861ba@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <FJEJLIPOMCGJALMGLLLIAEEMCGAA.accessd@shaw.ca>

Hi Francisco:

I am not sure what your utility does but if any thing can aid my pending
upgrades for XP, it will be very welcomed.

Please send a copy off-line at your nearest convenience.

TIA
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Francisco
Tapia
Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 10:13 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving; Discussion of
Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [AccessD] XP SP2 Applied


kudos... I always forget to mention to people tho, that in many cases
it's always best to turn off all services in order to upgrade the SP
just nice... I have a utility that was written by an NT admin Michael
Espinola, I use this script (TARS.cmd) for every SP upgrade I need to
apply to either Windows 2000 and now XP, since then all SP updates
have gone smoothly.  if anyone needs a copy of this file, email me off
list and I can send it on it's way :)



On Fri, 03 Sep 2004 22:14:40 -0400, John W. Colby
<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
> My Emachines M6805 laptop just applied the XP SP2 with no apparent
problems.
> Had to turn off Windows firewall (again) after the install.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Sat Sep  4 04:06:41 2004
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 10:06:41 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Form Resizing Itself
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20040903134839.02239418@mail.pstrauss.net>
Message-ID: <000101c4925e$7e727d30$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25>

Karen
Try issuing a DoCmd.Maximize before you even open the first form. I find
maxmizing the app makes everything behave better thereafter. I do reissue
the Max in my menu's OnActivate though as suggested.

-- Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 



From kost36 at otenet.gr  Sat Sep  4 06:03:16 2004
From: kost36 at otenet.gr (Kostas Konstantinidis)
Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 14:03:16 +0300
Subject: [AccessD] Protecting a subform with password
References: <D3E2A213B8F45B4DAC92EB5FD98ED1EF010EBD77@nnse14.nns.com>
Message-ID: <001b01c4926e$c8fba790$0100a8c0@KOST36>

Hi group,

On a main form I use a button which opens a subform.
Is it possible to protect the subform asking a password before?

Thank's
kostas



From Paul.Rogers at SummitMedia.co.uk  Fri Sep  3 09:01:04 2004
From: Paul.Rogers at SummitMedia.co.uk (Paul Rodgers)
Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 15:01:04 +0100 
Subject: [AccessD] Open a  form from a different db
Message-ID: <EAF3070ACB1AD81182280002A51EF7311921F5@s003.wolds.summitmedia.co.uk>

I need to open a form from another database. I just can't find it in my
books. Anyone done this simple thing recently please? Cheers
paul 

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From fhtapia at gmail.com  Sat Sep  4 10:50:44 2004
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 08:50:44 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] XP SP2 Applied
In-Reply-To: <FJEJLIPOMCGJALMGLLLIAEEMCGAA.accessd@shaw.ca>
References: <b874372a04090322136fd861ba@mail.gmail.com>
	<FJEJLIPOMCGJALMGLLLIAEEMCGAA.accessd@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <b874372a04090408505f9a8dc8@mail.gmail.com>

it's a .CMD aka bat file, it cycles through your pc's services turning
off everything TCP/IP, A/V, FireWall, and anything else that may be
running in the background.  After you run it your pc would be
disconnected from the network, so you should have a copy of the SP
update either on the local disk or on CD.  Then you can run the SP
update, what I've found is that SP installs have never worked so
smooth.


On Fri, 03 Sep 2004 22:38:35 -0700, Jim Lawrence (AccessD)
<accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
> Hi Francisco:
> 
> I am not sure what your utility does but if any thing can aid my pending
> upgrades for XP, it will be very welcomed.
> 
> Please send a copy off-line at your nearest convenience.
> 
> TIA
> Jim
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Francisco
> Tapia
> Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 10:13 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving; Discussion of
> Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] XP SP2 Applied
> 
> kudos... I always forget to mention to people tho, that in many cases
> it's always best to turn off all services in order to upgrade the SP
> just nice... I have a utility that was written by an NT admin Michael
> Espinola, I use this script (TARS.cmd) for every SP upgrade I need to
> apply to either Windows 2000 and now XP, since then all SP updates
> have gone smoothly.  if anyone needs a copy of this file, email me off
> list and I can send it on it's way :)
> 
> On Fri, 03 Sep 2004 22:14:40 -0400, John W. Colby
> <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
> > My Emachines M6805 laptop just applied the XP SP2 with no apparent
> problems.
> > Had to turn off Windows firewall (again) after the install.
> >
> > John W. Colby
> > www.ColbyConsulting.com
> >
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Sep  4 12:17:07 2004
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Sat, 04 Sep 2004 13:17:07 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Can you Raid
Message-ID: <000501c492a3$04f7f4e0$80b3fea9@ColbyM6805>

Does anyone know if you can use Windows built-in raid capability to set up a
raid 1 (mirror) then break the raid and move the mirror to another identical
machine as the boot drive?  I have a pair of MSI k8n Neo motherboards that I
purchased.  I have a pair of 80 gb samsung drives in one machine that I have
just finished setting up.  I need to create an image of that setup and move
that image to the other machine.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 




From fhtapia at gmail.com  Sat Sep  4 10:58:35 2004
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 08:58:35 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Protecting a subform with password
In-Reply-To: <001b01c4926e$c8fba790$0100a8c0@KOST36>
References: <D3E2A213B8F45B4DAC92EB5FD98ED1EF010EBD77@nnse14.nns.com>
	<001b01c4926e$c8fba790$0100a8c0@KOST36>
Message-ID: <b874372a0409040858329ab50e@mail.gmail.com>

You can build a pwd form where the user can enter this info and upon
successful entry allow access to the subform, but I suspect that this
kind of deployment will eventually grow tiresome.

Typically I create groups, and assing new users to groups... If going
w/ full Access Security then of course this makes a ton of sense, but
if even if you're going the route of something lightweight, you can
hardcode forms to allow only members of rolled-your-own groups.  I
think it was John Colby who had a sample of a "light weight" security.
 I think that's what you're looking for.




On Sat, 4 Sep 2004 14:03:16 +0300, Kostas Konstantinidis
<kost36 at otenet.gr> wrote:
> Hi group,
> 
> On a main form I use a button which opens a subform.
> Is it possible to protect the subform asking a password before?
> 
> Thank's
> kostas



-- 
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From fhtapia at gmail.com  Sat Sep  4 11:04:53 2004
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 09:04:53 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Remote Desktop Connection Client 1.0.2 for Mac OS X
In-Reply-To: <15718612102.20040903172429@cactus.dk>
References: <6826407592.20040827181338@cactus.dk>
	<15718612102.20040903172429@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <b874372a04090409047ad3608a@mail.gmail.com>

I currently do not have a need for Mac desktop connectivity... but for
all my Windoze system I use UltraVNC, and for Other platforms I use
RealVNC.

you can google for either...


On Fri, 3 Sep 2004 17:24:29 +0200, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
> Hi all
> 
> No comments on this?
> Looks like an easy way to bring your app to the desktop of a Mac user.
> 
> /gustav
> 
> > Anyone having experiences with this, running Access or anything else?
> 
> > http://www.microsoft.com/mac/downloads.aspx?pid=download&location=/mac/DOWNLOAD/MISC/RDC.xml&secid=80&ssid=9&flgnosysreq=False
> 
> > If connecting to a Terminal Server what are the licensing for this
> > for, say, 10 users? What that be a Windows 2003 server with 10 CALs?
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Sep  4 12:45:49 2004
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Sat, 04 Sep 2004 13:45:49 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Open a  form from a different db
In-Reply-To: <EAF3070ACB1AD81182280002A51EF7311921F5@s003.wolds.summitmedia.co.uk>
Message-ID: <000601c492a7$07d5eab0$80b3fea9@ColbyM6805>

Paul,

One way to do this is to reference the database (set a reference to it),
then build a function in the database that opens a form.  Now call that
function, passing the name of the form to open.  Be aware however that if
the form is bound it will try to bind to a table in that database, so if
your intention is to use that form to display data in the current db you
will need to late bind the form.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 10:01 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Open a form from a different db


I need to open a form from another database. I just can't find it in my
books. Anyone done this simple thing recently please? Cheers paul 

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From fhtapia at gmail.com  Sat Sep  4 11:07:51 2004
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 09:07:51 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Subform problem with detail section
In-Reply-To: <1375769556091B4DAABC159F944CA1BB07A195@bocnte2k4.boc.chevrontexaco.net>
References: AcSQVlX8vyoP4CC3TE6pKB/3cipfdgABX7eA
	<1375769556091B4DAABC159F944CA1BB07A195@bocnte2k4.boc.chevrontexaco.net>
Message-ID: <b874372a04090409077f4854f4@mail.gmail.com>

Finally...
   You should have a  Linked ID between the Parent Form and the
Subform. Typically something like

tbl_Orders Field: PKOrderID

tbl_SubformTable Field: FKOrderID, PKID

the Linked ID would be the OrderID.  Checking the properties of the
subform, you should see the linked table field to be the OrderID


On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 14:43:21 -0500, Kaup, Chester A
<kaupca at chevrontexaco.com> wrote:
> Added the primary key but text boxes and list boxes in the detail
> section do not display.
> 
> Chester Kaup
> Information Management Technician
> IT-MidContinent/MidContinent Business Unit
> CTN 8-687-7415
> Outside 432-687-7414
> 
> No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However a large
> number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced.
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> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Francisco
> Tapia
> Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 1:47 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Subform problem with detail section
> 
> It is my opinion, that you should have a PKID of some sort for table you
> are adding records, if not a Surrogate Key, then at the very least a
> Natural Key.  either is bether than NO key :D
> 
> On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 13:26:29 -0500, Kaup, Chester A
> <kaupca at chevrontexaco.com> wrote:
> > So then, is the Data Entry option enabled?, YES
> > is the table you're adding records to you have a Primary Key ID? NO
> >
> > What confuses me is the form works fine as a regular form but does not
> 
> > work correctly when added to another form as a subform.
> >
> > Thanks for the assistance.
> 
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From fhtapia at gmail.com  Sat Sep  4 11:08:30 2004
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 09:08:30 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Prompt after Form loads
In-Reply-To: <1896904147.20040902103514@cactus.dk>
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312A0E@infoserver01.infostat.local>
	<b874372a04090111355e8e559@mail.gmail.com>
	<8444881516.20040901205336@cactus.dk>
	<b874372a04090114144f08610f@mail.gmail.com>
	<1896904147.20040902103514@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <b874372a04090409085a33553a@mail.gmail.com>

I will try this solution later... thanks :D


On Thu, 2 Sep 2004 10:35:14 +0200, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
> Hi Francisco
> 
> > I tried the counter solution, and it fires before the form is "visible"
> 
> You are right, missed that, but here is how to do this without the
> Timer:
> 
> First, create this function in the subform:
> 
> Private Function ShowAtOpen()
> 
>   Static booOpened  As Boolean
> 
>   If booOpened = False Then
>     ' Replace with your code.
>     MsgBox "Load?", vbQuestion, "Francisco"
>     ' Run only once.
>     booOpened = True
>   End If
> 
> End Function
> 
> Now, create a textbox in the subform, make it not Visible, and bind it
> like this:
> 
> =ShowAtOpen()
> 
> This will pop the code when the form and the sub have been rendered
> including controls bound to the recordsource of the form. The only
> limitation I can see is, that other controls bound to an expression
> (=something()) may have their values retrieved after the firing of
> ShowAtOpen.
> 
> /gustav
> 
> 
> > On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 20:53:36 +0200, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
> >> Hi Francisco
> >>
> >> > Agreed, I use them as a very last solution.  They do  CAUSE flickers,
> >> > and they interrupt other process as well.  Such as adverse behavoirs
> >> > when using a combo bx and you find that your dropdown doesn't stay
> >> > dropped, because the timer continues to fire off in the background :D
> >>
> >> Except in this case ... did you try the counter solution?
> >> Works excellent here.
> 
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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Sat Sep  4 12:56:13 2004
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 10:56:13 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Fw: Action Pack versus Partner Program
Message-ID: <008901c492a8$77e4f070$6601a8c0@HAL9002>


> Any opinions on the Action Pack versus the Partner program?
>
> TIA
>
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
> http://www.e-z-mrp.com
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Dixon" <dixon at fossware.net>
> To: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <rsmolin at san.rr.com>
> Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2004 10:58 AM
> Subject: Re: Fw: ...holy smoly!!!
>
>
> > Rocky,
> >       The Action Pac contains less stuff and has less obligation and
lower
> price. Bottom line, I think Action Pac is best for me and the full pac you
> are looking at may be best for you.
> >
> > Action Pac has 5 licenses for:
> > Win XP Pro, Office Pro 2003, MapPoint, FrontPage, InfoPath, OneNote,
> InfoPath, Project, Publisher, Sharepoint, Visio, VirtualPC.
> > And a bunch of servers; SQL2000Standard, LiveCommunications, Exchange,
> MobileInformation, Windows2003Standard, Windows2003Web and SmallBusiness.
> > It also has tons of sales training material.
> > Development tools such as .Net, Visual Studio and other compilers are
not
> included.
> > Price is $300/Year with no limit on continuing subscriptions, quarterly
> updates and no obligations to produce anything.
> >
> > The one you are looking at may be more interesting for you because it
> includes the same software plus other systems (Win2K) and .Net and more
MSDN
> features and you can satisfy the development obligation. Drawbacks are; it
> only lasts for two years then reverts to standard pricing.
> >
> > Dixon.
> >
> > ======= At 2004-09-03, 22:24:00 you wrote: =======
> >
> > >Dixon:
> > >
> > >This is the Microsoft deal I was looking at.  How's this compare to the
> > >Action Pack?
> > >
> > >Rocky
> > >
> > >----- Original Message ----- 
> > >From: "William Hindman" <wdhindman at bellsouth.net>
> > >To: "'Steven W. Erbach'" <serbach at new.rr.com>
> > >Cc: <rsmolin at san.rr.com>; <jon.tydda at alcontrol.co.uk>;
> > ><piergrossi at new.rr.com>; <gkjos at comcast.net>; <ssharkins at bellsouth.net>
> > >Sent: Monday, July 26, 2004 10:42 AM
> > >Subject: ...holy smoly!!!
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>http://members.microsoft.com/partner/competency/isvcomp/empower/default.asp
> x
> > >#P59_3411
> > >
> > >....check this out ...a full MSDN Universal Subscription for only
> $375.00!
> > >
> > >....from Microsoft themselves!
> > >
> > >....that's an incredible price when you consider it includes virtually
> every
> > >piece of Microsoft software except maybe Flight simulator ...plus
umpteen
> > >developer aids and CD updates every month ...plus five user licenses.
> > >
> > >....all you have to do is register as a partner (very easy, no cost)
and
> > >PROMISE to develop an application for a market of your choice.
> > >
> > >....and they'll let you do this for two years before moving you up to
> regular
> > >pricing.
> > >
> > >William Hindman
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >.
> >
> > = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>



From accessd at shaw.ca  Sat Sep  4 11:58:35 2004
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence (AccessD))
Date: Sat, 04 Sep 2004 09:58:35 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Access & AutoCAD
In-Reply-To: <200409031145.i83BjLZw015552@ms-smtp-01.nyroc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <FJEJLIPOMCGJALMGLLLIIEEPCGAA.accessd@shaw.ca>

Hi Mark:

Sorry I am late to this conversation but is not AutoCAD comprised of a group
of exposed objects (dlls and ActiveX components) and AutoLISP, a VBA type
language. You of course have to be on a station where AutoCAD is installed
as well as Access.

One friend works in a government mapping office that uses ArcInfo but has a
number of translators and automated translation processes, one script used
translates AutoCAD DWG files into ArcInfo files and back...all using various
built in objects and their properties. I know they have the capabilities to
automate the extraction by levels, object types etc.. I imagine anything
else would be possible.

I think there is a few downloads and samples from some of the companies that
work extensively with various government agencies like:
http://www.esri.com/.
I might be able to get some help but would have to know a specific
requirement.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Mitsules, Mark
S. (Newport News)
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 12:51 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access & AutoCAD


Both.  First project is our departmental floor plan which will include ALL
of the attributes for personnel and equipment.  Later projects will build
BOM drawings in AutoCAD dynamically.  Concurrently with those, I would like
to develop an automation process which monitors a network folder, and when a
new drawing is placed there, automatically extract certain drawing
attributes, log them into a database, and create a .dwf format version for
intranet publication.


Mark


-----Original Message-----
From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 1:30 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access & AutoCAD


Mark,
Are you trying to use automation between the two or are you trying to use
access as a database for Autocad Attributes?

John B.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Mitsules, Mark
S. (Newport News)
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 12:04 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access & AutoCAD


...so I'm guessing I'm the only one in this unique position:(((


Mark





-----Original Message-----
From: Mitsules, Mark
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 5:42 PM
To: [AccessD]
Subject: [AccessD] Access & AutoCAD


Has anyone tackled this combination?  There is ONE example in the AutoCAD
samples folder.  There is ONE book that I found regarding database
connectivity (circa 1999).  ...and a DISTINCT lack of web-based material as
far as I can tell:(  I would be most appreciative for pointers towards any
of the following: recent books (AutoCAD 2002 or later), web-based tutorials,
web-based examples, personal examples, cave paintings...anything.

Thanks in advance for any/all information.

Mark
Conversely, I am willing to pay $40 to anyone willing to take the AutoCAD
help files and develop a booklet within the next 2 weeks, including a table
of contents, that will allow me to chronologically work my way through a
project.
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Sep  4 12:59:35 2004
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Sat, 04 Sep 2004 13:59:35 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Protecting a subform with password
In-Reply-To: <b874372a0409040858329ab50e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000701c492a8$f5a68af0$80b3fea9@ColbyM6805>

I would suggest a small login form as the db opens, then the db knows who is
working in it.  Now build a table of "can use" and a function that checks if
the logged in user can use.  If so then allow the unhide / enable.  I do
something similar to this with controls that only supervisors should have
access to.  I have users, groups, GroupUsers, then objects,
GroupsCanUseObjects.  Of course that is overkill if this is the only object
in the db that you need to protect but if there are many of them then it
makes sense.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Francisco Tapia
Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2004 11:59 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Protecting a subform with password


You can build a pwd form where the user can enter this info and upon
successful entry allow access to the subform, but I suspect that this kind
of deployment will eventually grow tiresome.

Typically I create groups, and assing new users to groups... If going w/
full Access Security then of course this makes a ton of sense, but if even
if you're going the route of something lightweight, you can hardcode forms
to allow only members of rolled-your-own groups.  I think it was John Colby
who had a sample of a "light weight" security.  I think that's what you're
looking for.




On Sat, 4 Sep 2004 14:03:16 +0300, Kostas Konstantinidis <kost36 at otenet.gr>
wrote:
> Hi group,
> 
> On a main form I use a button which opens a subform.
> Is it possible to protect the subform asking a password before?
> 
> Thank's
> kostas



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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Sep  4 13:00:56 2004
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Sat, 04 Sep 2004 14:00:56 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Remote Desktop Connection Client 1.0.2 for Mac OS X
In-Reply-To: <b874372a04090409047ad3608a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000801c492a9$24ecbf00$80b3fea9@ColbyM6805>

I also use RealVNC.  I even used it inside my LAN prior to buying the KMV
switch.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Francisco Tapia
Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2004 12:05 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Remote Desktop Connection Client 1.0.2 for Mac OS X


I currently do not have a need for Mac desktop connectivity... but for all
my Windoze system I use UltraVNC, and for Other platforms I use RealVNC.

you can google for either...


On Fri, 3 Sep 2004 17:24:29 +0200, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
> Hi all
> 
> No comments on this?
> Looks like an easy way to bring your app to the desktop of a Mac user.
> 
> /gustav
> 
> > Anyone having experiences with this, running Access or anything 
> > else?
> 
> > http://www.microsoft.com/mac/downloads.aspx?pid=download&location=/m
> > ac/DOWNLOAD/MISC/RDC.xml&secid=80&ssid=9&flgnosysreq=False
> 
> > If connecting to a Terminal Server what are the licensing for this 
> > for, say, 10 users? What that be a Windows 2003 server with 10 CALs?
> 
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Sep  4 13:17:58 2004
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Sat, 04 Sep 2004 14:17:58 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Fw: Action Pack versus Partner Program
In-Reply-To: <008901c492a8$77e4f070$6601a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <000a01c492ab$84b98470$80b3fea9@ColbyM6805>

Rocky

AFAICT you have to join the partner program (free) then you are allowed to
buy the action pack.  I just did so but haven't received the action pack
yet.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
Beach Access Software
Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2004 1:56 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Fw: Action Pack versus Partner Program



> Any opinions on the Action Pack versus the Partner program?
>
> TIA
>
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
> http://www.e-z-mrp.com
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dixon" <dixon at fossware.net>
> To: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <rsmolin at san.rr.com>
> Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2004 10:58 AM
> Subject: Re: Fw: ...holy smoly!!!
>
>
> > Rocky,
> >       The Action Pac contains less stuff and has less obligation and
lower
> price. Bottom line, I think Action Pac is best for me and the full pac 
> you are looking at may be best for you.
> >
> > Action Pac has 5 licenses for:
> > Win XP Pro, Office Pro 2003, MapPoint, FrontPage, InfoPath, OneNote,
> InfoPath, Project, Publisher, Sharepoint, Visio, VirtualPC.
> > And a bunch of servers; SQL2000Standard, LiveCommunications, 
> > Exchange,
> MobileInformation, Windows2003Standard, Windows2003Web and 
> SmallBusiness.
> > It also has tons of sales training material.
> > Development tools such as .Net, Visual Studio and other compilers 
> > are
not
> included.
> > Price is $300/Year with no limit on continuing subscriptions, 
> > quarterly
> updates and no obligations to produce anything.
> >
> > The one you are looking at may be more interesting for you because 
> > it
> includes the same software plus other systems (Win2K) and .Net and 
> more
MSDN
> features and you can satisfy the development obligation. Drawbacks 
> are; it only lasts for two years then reverts to standard pricing.
> >
> > Dixon.
> >
> > ======= At 2004-09-03, 22:24:00 you wrote: =======
> >
> > >Dixon:
> > >
> > >This is the Microsoft deal I was looking at.  How's this compare to 
> > >the Action Pack?
> > >
> > >Rocky
> > >
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: "William Hindman" <wdhindman at bellsouth.net>
> > >To: "'Steven W. Erbach'" <serbach at new.rr.com>
> > >Cc: <rsmolin at san.rr.com>; <jon.tydda at alcontrol.co.uk>;
> > ><piergrossi at new.rr.com>; <gkjos at comcast.net>; <ssharkins at bellsouth.net>
> > >Sent: Monday, July 26, 2004 10:42 AM
> > >Subject: ...holy smoly!!!
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>http://members.microsoft.com/partner/competency/isvcomp/empower/default
>.asp
> x
> > >#P59_3411
> > >
> > >....check this out ...a full MSDN Universal Subscription for only
> $375.00!
> > >
> > >....from Microsoft themselves!
> > >
> > >....that's an incredible price when you consider it includes 
> > >virtually
> every
> > >piece of Microsoft software except maybe Flight simulator ...plus
umpteen
> > >developer aids and CD updates every month ...plus five user 
> > >licenses.
> > >
> > >....all you have to do is register as a partner (very easy, no 
> > >cost)
and
> > >PROMISE to develop an application for a market of your choice.
> > >
> > >....and they'll let you do this for two years before moving you up 
> > >to
> regular
> > >pricing.
> > >
> > >William Hindman
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >.
> >
> > = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

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From fhtapia at gmail.com  Sat Sep  4 14:47:28 2004
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 12:47:28 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Remote Desktop Connection Client 1.0.2 for Mac OS X
In-Reply-To: <000801c492a9$24ecbf00$80b3fea9@ColbyM6805>
References: <b874372a04090409047ad3608a@mail.gmail.com>
	<000801c492a9$24ecbf00$80b3fea9@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <b874372a04090412472fea2208@mail.gmail.com>

REALvnc is a stable, awesome release, I don't knock it in fact
UltraVnc is built on top of existing cores from RealVNC.  however,
when using ULTRA, you will have much more flexibility and power, such
as being able to authenticate via your NT userid, also you can
transfer files if you need FTP.  and over LAN i've found that coupled
together w/ their Video Driver you get much more speed as if you were
right in front of the other pc.


On Sat, 04 Sep 2004 14:00:56 -0400, John W. Colby
<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
> I also use RealVNC.  I even used it inside my LAN prior to buying the KMV
> switch.
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Francisco Tapia
> Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2004 12:05 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Remote Desktop Connection Client 1.0.2 for Mac OS X
> 
> I currently do not have a need for Mac desktop connectivity... but for all
> my Windoze system I use UltraVNC, and for Other platforms I use RealVNC.
> 
> you can google for either...
> 
> On Fri, 3 Sep 2004 17:24:29 +0200, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
> > Hi all
> >
> > No comments on this?
> > Looks like an easy way to bring your app to the desktop of a Mac user.
> >
> > /gustav
> >
> > > Anyone having experiences with this, running Access or anything
> > > else?
> >
> > > http://www.microsoft.com/mac/downloads.aspx?pid=download&location=/m
> > > ac/DOWNLOAD/MISC/RDC.xml&secid=80&ssid=9&flgnosysreq=False
> >
> > > If connecting to a Terminal Server what are the licensing for this
> > > for, say, 10 users? What that be a Windows 2003 server with 10 CALs?
> >
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From fhtapia at gmail.com  Sat Sep  4 14:59:50 2004
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 12:59:50 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Can you Raid
In-Reply-To: <000501c492a3$04f7f4e0$80b3fea9@ColbyM6805>
References: <000501c492a3$04f7f4e0$80b3fea9@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <b874372a040904125934649c74@mail.gmail.com>

Never tried it.  but if you are building this for your VLDB system,
keep in mind that hardware raid is always faster and therefore better
than Software Raid.


On Sat, 04 Sep 2004 13:17:07 -0400, John W. Colby
<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
> Does anyone know if you can use Windows built-in raid capability to set up a
> raid 1 (mirror) then break the raid and move the mirror to another identical
> machine as the boot drive?  I have a pair of MSI k8n Neo motherboards that I
> purchased.  I have a pair of 80 gb samsung drives in one machine that I have
> just finished setting up.  I need to create an image of that setup and move
> that image to the other machine.
> 
> John W. Colby
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Sep  4 15:12:16 2004
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Sat, 04 Sep 2004 16:12:16 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Can you Raid
In-Reply-To: <b874372a040904125934649c74@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000c01c492bb$7d6d20e0$80b3fea9@ColbyM6805>

>keep in mind that hardware raid is always faster and therefore better than
Software Raid.

I am having issues getting ANY (hardware) bootable raid going.  I am working
with the tech support of the MB manufacturer however I must get a system up
and functioning.  My intent is NOT to raid the boot drive per se, but rather
to create an image of the drive with all software installed, then move that
image to another identical machine.  I would be using Mirror as a
replacement for Norton Ghost or similar software.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Francisco Tapia
Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2004 4:00 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Can you Raid


Never tried it.  but if you are building this for your VLDB system, keep in
mind that hardware raid is always faster and therefore better than Software
Raid.


On Sat, 04 Sep 2004 13:17:07 -0400, John W. Colby
<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
> Does anyone know if you can use Windows built-in raid capability to 
> set up a raid 1 (mirror) then break the raid and move the mirror to 
> another identical machine as the boot drive?  I have a pair of MSI k8n 
> Neo motherboards that I purchased.  I have a pair of 80 gb samsung 
> drives in one machine that I have just finished setting up.  I need to 
> create an image of that setup and move that image to the other 
> machine.
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> 
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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Sat Sep  4 14:56:20 2004
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Sat, 04 Sep 2004 12:56:20 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] JIT Forms?
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312A2A@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <413A1DE4.4000801@shaw.ca>

You can't recompile code in an mde
But here is some example code to read code in a Form
You can also write code to a form
Have a look at http://www.helenfeddema.com
Design Schemas accarch76.zip  and 77
She modifies existing controls at runtime and adds code.

Function ListAllProcsinForms(strModuleName As String)
'Purpose: lists all procedures/functions for given module
'Example: ListAllProcsinForms ("MyForm")
    Dim mdlF As Form
    Dim mdl As Module
    Dim lngCount As Long, lngCountDecl As Long, lngI As Long
    Dim strProcName As String, astrProcNames() As String
    Dim intI As Integer, strMsg As String
    Dim lngR As Long

    ' Open specified Module object.
    DoCmd.OpenForm strModuleName,acDesign 'open in design view

    ' Return reference to Form object.
     
    Set mdlF = Forms(strModuleName)
    ' Return reference to Module object.
      Set mdl = mdlF.Module
    ' Count lines in module.
 
    lngCount = mdl.CountOfLines
    ' Count lines in Declaration section in module.

    lngCountDecl = mdl.CountOfDeclarationLines
    ' Determine name of first procedure.
    strProcName = mdl.ProcOfLine(lngCountDecl + 1, lngR)
    ' Initialize counter variable.
    intI = 0
    ' Redimension array.
    ReDim Preserve astrProcNames(intI)
    ' Store name of first procedure in array.
    astrProcNames(intI) = strProcName

    ' Determine procedure name for each line after declarations.
    For lngI = lngCountDecl + 1 To lngCount
        ' Compare procedure name with ProcOfLine property value.

        If strProcName <> mdl.ProcOfLine(lngI, lngR) Then
            ' Increment counter.
            intI = intI + 1
            strProcName = mdl.ProcOfLine(lngI, lngR)
            ReDim Preserve astrProcNames(intI)
            ' Assign unique procedure names to array.
            astrProcNames(intI) = strProcName
        End If
    Next lngI

    strMsg = "Procedures in module '" & strModuleName & "': " _
        & vbCrLf & vbCrLf
    Debug.Print "Procedures in module '" & strModuleName & "': "

    For intI = 0 To UBound(astrProcNames)
        strMsg = strMsg & astrProcNames(intI) & vbCrLf
'Print list in debug window:
        Debug.Print astrProcNames(intI)
    Next intI

' Dialog box listing all procedures in module.
    MsgBox strMsg
End Function

Charlotte Foust wrote:

>I've only used it at design time, so I can't say.  I don't suppose it's
>all that different from changing the paper size at run time.
>
>Charlotte Foust
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
>Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 2:13 PM
>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] JIT Forms?
>
>
>Charlotte,
>
>Do you know if this works at runtime or only at design time?
>
>John W. Colby
>www.ColbyConsulting.com 
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
>Foust
>Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 4:03 PM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] JIT Forms?
>
>
>Look at the Application.CreateControl method for creating controls from
>code.  If you want code behind that control, you need to add that to the
>form's module and set the control's named event to "[event procedure]"
>to connect them.
>
>Charlotte Foust
>
>
>
>  
>

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Canada





From bchacc at san.rr.com  Sat Sep  4 15:41:53 2004
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 13:41:53 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Fw: Action Pack versus Partner Program
References: <000a01c492ab$84b98470$80b3fea9@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <00e201c492bf$9c726cd0$6601a8c0@HAL9002>

Es verdad.  I was just wondering if the additional stuff you get in the
partner program was worth the extra $75.

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John W. Colby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2004 11:17 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Fw: Action Pack versus Partner Program


> Rocky
>
> AFAICT you have to join the partner program (free) then you are allowed to
> buy the action pack.  I just did so but haven't received the action pack
> yet.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
> Beach Access Software
> Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2004 1:56 PM
> To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Fw: Action Pack versus Partner Program
>
>
>
> > Any opinions on the Action Pack versus the Partner program?
> >
> > TIA
> >
> > Rocky Smolin
> > Beach Access Software
> > http://www.e-z-mrp.com
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Dixon" <dixon at fossware.net>
> > To: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <rsmolin at san.rr.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2004 10:58 AM
> > Subject: Re: Fw: ...holy smoly!!!
> >
> >
> > > Rocky,
> > >       The Action Pac contains less stuff and has less obligation and
> lower
> > price. Bottom line, I think Action Pac is best for me and the full pac
> > you are looking at may be best for you.
> > >
> > > Action Pac has 5 licenses for:
> > > Win XP Pro, Office Pro 2003, MapPoint, FrontPage, InfoPath, OneNote,
> > InfoPath, Project, Publisher, Sharepoint, Visio, VirtualPC.
> > > And a bunch of servers; SQL2000Standard, LiveCommunications,
> > > Exchange,
> > MobileInformation, Windows2003Standard, Windows2003Web and
> > SmallBusiness.
> > > It also has tons of sales training material.
> > > Development tools such as .Net, Visual Studio and other compilers
> > > are
> not
> > included.
> > > Price is $300/Year with no limit on continuing subscriptions,
> > > quarterly
> > updates and no obligations to produce anything.
> > >
> > > The one you are looking at may be more interesting for you because
> > > it
> > includes the same software plus other systems (Win2K) and .Net and
> > more
> MSDN
> > features and you can satisfy the development obligation. Drawbacks
> > are; it only lasts for two years then reverts to standard pricing.
> > >
> > > Dixon.
> > >
> > > ======= At 2004-09-03, 22:24:00 you wrote: =======
> > >
> > > >Dixon:
> > > >
> > > >This is the Microsoft deal I was looking at.  How's this compare to
> > > >the Action Pack?
> > > >
> > > >Rocky
> > > >
> > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > >From: "William Hindman" <wdhindman at bellsouth.net>
> > > >To: "'Steven W. Erbach'" <serbach at new.rr.com>
> > > >Cc: <rsmolin at san.rr.com>; <jon.tydda at alcontrol.co.uk>;
> > > ><piergrossi at new.rr.com>; <gkjos at comcast.net>;
<ssharkins at bellsouth.net>
> > > >Sent: Monday, July 26, 2004 10:42 AM
> > > >Subject: ...holy smoly!!!
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >http://members.microsoft.com/partner/competency/isvcomp/empower/default
> >.asp
> > x
> > > >#P59_3411
> > > >
> > > >....check this out ...a full MSDN Universal Subscription for only
> > $375.00!
> > > >
> > > >....from Microsoft themselves!
> > > >
> > > >....that's an incredible price when you consider it includes
> > > >virtually
> > every
> > > >piece of Microsoft software except maybe Flight simulator ...plus
> umpteen
> > > >developer aids and CD updates every month ...plus five user
> > > >licenses.
> > > >
> > > >....all you have to do is register as a partner (very easy, no
> > > >cost)
> and
> > > >PROMISE to develop an application for a market of your choice.
> > > >
> > > >....and they'll let you do this for two years before moving you up
> > > >to
> > regular
> > > >pricing.
> > > >
> > > >William Hindman
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >.
> > >
> > > = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Sep  4 15:44:51 2004
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Sat, 04 Sep 2004 16:44:51 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] JIT Forms?
In-Reply-To: <413A1DE4.4000801@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <000e01c492c0$07dff370$80b3fea9@ColbyM6805>

This brings us to the question of "where the heck does Access store this
stuff".  As you know there is a class (MODULE) behind a form where you can
add your own code, but there is an additional "something" where the form
controls and stuff resides.  I have always wondered where that "something"
is (but not enough to do the research).

;-)

It is almost as if that stuff were made invisible somehow.  If you export a
class to a text file there is stuff at the top of the file (properties) that
are not visible from the IDE editor when viewing the class.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2004 3:56 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] JIT Forms?


You can't recompile code in an mde
But here is some example code to read code in a Form
You can also write code to a form
Have a look at http://www.helenfeddema.com
Design Schemas accarch76.zip  and 77
She modifies existing controls at runtime and adds code.

Function ListAllProcsinForms(strModuleName As String)
'Purpose: lists all procedures/functions for given module
'Example: ListAllProcsinForms ("MyForm")
    Dim mdlF As Form
    Dim mdl As Module
    Dim lngCount As Long, lngCountDecl As Long, lngI As Long
    Dim strProcName As String, astrProcNames() As String
    Dim intI As Integer, strMsg As String
    Dim lngR As Long

    ' Open specified Module object.
    DoCmd.OpenForm strModuleName,acDesign 'open in design view

    ' Return reference to Form object.
     
    Set mdlF = Forms(strModuleName)
    ' Return reference to Module object.
      Set mdl = mdlF.Module
    ' Count lines in module.
 
    lngCount = mdl.CountOfLines
    ' Count lines in Declaration section in module.

    lngCountDecl = mdl.CountOfDeclarationLines
    ' Determine name of first procedure.
    strProcName = mdl.ProcOfLine(lngCountDecl + 1, lngR)
    ' Initialize counter variable.
    intI = 0
    ' Redimension array.
    ReDim Preserve astrProcNames(intI)
    ' Store name of first procedure in array.
    astrProcNames(intI) = strProcName

    ' Determine procedure name for each line after declarations.
    For lngI = lngCountDecl + 1 To lngCount
        ' Compare procedure name with ProcOfLine property value.

        If strProcName <> mdl.ProcOfLine(lngI, lngR) Then
            ' Increment counter.
            intI = intI + 1
            strProcName = mdl.ProcOfLine(lngI, lngR)
            ReDim Preserve astrProcNames(intI)
            ' Assign unique procedure names to array.
            astrProcNames(intI) = strProcName
        End If
    Next lngI

    strMsg = "Procedures in module '" & strModuleName & "': " _
        & vbCrLf & vbCrLf
    Debug.Print "Procedures in module '" & strModuleName & "': "

    For intI = 0 To UBound(astrProcNames)
        strMsg = strMsg & astrProcNames(intI) & vbCrLf
'Print list in debug window:
        Debug.Print astrProcNames(intI)
    Next intI

' Dialog box listing all procedures in module.
    MsgBox strMsg
End Function

Charlotte Foust wrote:

>I've only used it at design time, so I can't say.  I don't suppose it's 
>all that different from changing the paper size at run time.
>
>Charlotte Foust
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
>Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 2:13 PM
>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] JIT Forms?
>
>
>Charlotte,
>
>Do you know if this works at runtime or only at design time?
>
>John W. Colby
>www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte 
>Foust
>Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 4:03 PM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] JIT Forms?
>
>
>Look at the Application.CreateControl method for creating controls from 
>code.  If you want code behind that control, you need to add that to 
>the form's module and set the control's named event to "[event 
>procedure]" to connect them.
>
>Charlotte Foust
>
>
>
>  
>

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Victoria, B.C.
Canada



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From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Sat Sep  4 15:46:37 2004
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps - IT Helps)
Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 22:46:37 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Can you Raid
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF734C@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

I done that with NT4 (windows software mirror). Works perfect with
sometimes one exception.

The mirror is not always bootable depending on the type of disk.
A floppy drive boot disk is a workaround at that moment.
 
Ofcourse you need to respect regular OS rules. If your other machine is
other hardware you can get in to trouble...

Erwin

-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Namens John W. Colby
Verzonden: zaterdag 4 september 2004 22:12
Aan: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Onderwerp: RE: [AccessD] Can you Raid

>keep in mind that hardware raid is always faster and therefore better 
>than
Software Raid.

I am having issues getting ANY (hardware) bootable raid going.  I am
working with the tech support of the MB manufacturer however I must get
a system up and functioning.  My intent is NOT to raid the boot drive
per se, but rather to create an image of the drive with all software
installed, then move that image to another identical machine.  I would
be using Mirror as a replacement for Norton Ghost or similar software.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Francisco
Tapia
Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2004 4:00 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Can you Raid


Never tried it.  but if you are building this for your VLDB system, keep
in mind that hardware raid is always faster and therefore better than
Software Raid.


On Sat, 04 Sep 2004 13:17:07 -0400, John W. Colby
<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
> Does anyone know if you can use Windows built-in raid capability to 
> set up a raid 1 (mirror) then break the raid and move the mirror to 
> another identical machine as the boot drive?  I have a pair of MSI k8n

> Neo motherboards that I purchased.  I have a pair of 80 gb samsung 
> drives in one machine that I have just finished setting up.  I need to

> create an image of that setup and move that image to the other 
> machine.
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> 
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sat Sep  4 11:25:16 2004
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence (AccessD))
Date: Sat, 04 Sep 2004 09:25:16 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Protecting a subform with password
In-Reply-To: <001b01c4926e$c8fba790$0100a8c0@KOST36>
Message-ID: <FJEJLIPOMCGJALMGLLLIOEEOCGAA.accessd@shaw.ca>

Hi Kostas:

Add some code something like the following and the command button that opens
the subform will
be set appropriately.

In the Form Load subroutine

Private Sub Form_Load()

 ' Maybe something like....

 if CheckUsername() < 5 then
   ' Disable command button and make subform invisible.
   Me.cmbOpenSubForm.Enabled = False
   Me!MySubform.Form.Visible = False
 else
   Me.cmbOpenSubForm.Enabled = True
   Me!MySubform.Form.Visible = True
 end if

End Sub

Private Function CheckUsername() As Integer

 Dim intSecurityLevel as Integer

 IntSecurityLevel = 0

 ' add code here....
 ' In here you would put code that either asks for the username
 ' and then validates it's level of access against a protected table,
 ' value or an imbedded list or current users in the Access security
 ' tables.

 ' This example checks which security group the
 ' current user is in then sets the security level.
 If CurrentUser() = "Admin" Then intSecurityLevel = 5

 CheckUsername()  = intSecurityLevel

End Function

This is not a complete answer but hope this starts you on your way.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Kostas
Konstantinidis
Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2004 4:03 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Protecting a subform with password


Hi group,

On a main form I use a button which opens a subform.
Is it possible to protect the subform asking a password before?

Thank's
kostas

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From jmoss111 at bellsouth.net  Sat Sep  4 17:49:12 2004
From: jmoss111 at bellsouth.net (JMoss)
Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 17:49:12 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Fw: Action Pack versus Partner Program
In-Reply-To: <00e201c492bf$9c726cd0$6601a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <OKEMICJGPJCMJCCHGNDECENPCMAA.jmoss111@bellsouth.net>

You don't really get anything in the Partner program which is free. The
Action Pack is $299/yr and the Action Pack Plus is $399/yr. The Plus gets
you a subscription of Microsoft bCentral List Builder in addition to what
you get in the Action Pack subscription.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
Beach Access Software
Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2004 3:42 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Fw: Action Pack versus Partner Program


Es verdad.  I was just wondering if the additional stuff you get in the
partner program was worth the extra $75.

Rocky

----- Original Message -----
From: "John W. Colby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2004 11:17 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Fw: Action Pack versus Partner Program


> Rocky
>
> AFAICT you have to join the partner program (free) then you are allowed to
> buy the action pack.  I just did so but haven't received the action pack
> yet.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
> Beach Access Software
> Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2004 1:56 PM
> To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Fw: Action Pack versus Partner Program
>
>
>
> > Any opinions on the Action Pack versus the Partner program?
> >
> > TIA
> >
> > Rocky Smolin
> > Beach Access Software
> > http://www.e-z-mrp.com
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Dixon" <dixon at fossware.net>
> > To: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <rsmolin at san.rr.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2004 10:58 AM
> > Subject: Re: Fw: ...holy smoly!!!
> >
> >
> > > Rocky,
> > >       The Action Pac contains less stuff and has less obligation and
> lower
> > price. Bottom line, I think Action Pac is best for me and the full pac
> > you are looking at may be best for you.
> > >
> > > Action Pac has 5 licenses for:
> > > Win XP Pro, Office Pro 2003, MapPoint, FrontPage, InfoPath, OneNote,
> > InfoPath, Project, Publisher, Sharepoint, Visio, VirtualPC.
> > > And a bunch of servers; SQL2000Standard, LiveCommunications,
> > > Exchange,
> > MobileInformation, Windows2003Standard, Windows2003Web and
> > SmallBusiness.
> > > It also has tons of sales training material.
> > > Development tools such as .Net, Visual Studio and other compilers
> > > are
> not
> > included.
> > > Price is $300/Year with no limit on continuing subscriptions,
> > > quarterly
> > updates and no obligations to produce anything.
> > >
> > > The one you are looking at may be more interesting for you because
> > > it
> > includes the same software plus other systems (Win2K) and .Net and
> > more
> MSDN
> > features and you can satisfy the development obligation. Drawbacks
> > are; it only lasts for two years then reverts to standard pricing.
> > >
> > > Dixon.
> > >
> > > ======= At 2004-09-03, 22:24:00 you wrote: =======
> > >
> > > >Dixon:
> > > >
> > > >This is the Microsoft deal I was looking at.  How's this compare to
> > > >the Action Pack?
> > > >
> > > >Rocky
> > > >
> > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > >From: "William Hindman" <wdhindman at bellsouth.net>
> > > >To: "'Steven W. Erbach'" <serbach at new.rr.com>
> > > >Cc: <rsmolin at san.rr.com>; <jon.tydda at alcontrol.co.uk>;
> > > ><piergrossi at new.rr.com>; <gkjos at comcast.net>;
<ssharkins at bellsouth.net>
> > > >Sent: Monday, July 26, 2004 10:42 AM
> > > >Subject: ...holy smoly!!!
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >http://members.microsoft.com/partner/competency/isvcomp/empower/default
> >.asp
> > x
> > > >#P59_3411
> > > >
> > > >....check this out ...a full MSDN Universal Subscription for only
> > $375.00!
> > > >
> > > >....from Microsoft themselves!
> > > >
> > > >....that's an incredible price when you consider it includes
> > > >virtually
> > every
> > > >piece of Microsoft software except maybe Flight simulator ...plus
> umpteen
> > > >developer aids and CD updates every month ...plus five user
> > > >licenses.
> > > >
> > > >....all you have to do is register as a partner (very easy, no
> > > >cost)
> and
> > > >PROMISE to develop an application for a market of your choice.
> > > >
> > > >....and they'll let you do this for two years before moving you up
> > > >to
> > regular
> > > >pricing.
> > > >
> > > >William Hindman
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >.
> > >
> > > = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
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From Oleg_123 at xuppa.com  Sat Sep  4 18:48:30 2004
From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com (Oleg_123 at xuppa.com)
Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 19:48:30 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Import columns
In-Reply-To: <b874372a04090408505f9a8dc8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b874372a04090322136fd861ba@mail.gmail.com>
	<FJEJLIPOMCGJALMGLLLIAEEMCGAA.accessd@shaw.ca>
	<b874372a04090408505f9a8dc8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <16154.216.223.34.13.1094341710.squirrel@heck.xuppa.com>

Hey Group, happy holidays fro those of u in US. I am supposed to count the
number of columns and based on the result import the data into a table
with month names. The last column always contains December
Am I on the right track ?
This is what I've done so far ---

Private Sub Command1_Click()
Dim cnn As ADODB.Connection
Dim rst1 As New ADODB.Recordset
Dim SQL1 As String, SQL2 As String
Dim a As Integer 'number of columns
Dim b As Integer
Dim Jan, Feb, Mar, Apr, May, Jun, Jul, Aug, Sep, Oct, Nov, Dec

Set cnn = CurrentProject.Connection

SQL1 = "Select * From Hrsqd"
rst1.Open SQL1, cnn, adOpenKeyset, adLockOptimistic, adCmdTableDirect

a = rst1.Fields.Count 'number of fields
b = a - 2 ' number of month fields



If b = 6 Then 'Jul - Dec
Do Until rst1.EOF
Jul = rst1.Fields(3)
Aug = rst1.Fields(4)
Sep = rst1.Fields(5)
Oct = rst1.Fields(6)
Nov = rst1.Fields(7)
Dec = rst1.Fields(8)
Loop
End If

If b = 5 Then 'Aug - Dec
Do Until rst1.EOF
Aug = rst1.Fields(3)
Sep = rst1.Fields(4)
Oct = rst1.Fields(5)
Nov = rst1.Fields(6)
Dec = rst1.Fields(7)
Loop
End If

If b = 4 Then 'Sep - Dec
Do Until rst1.EOF
Sep = rst1.Fields(3)
Oct = rst1.Fields(4)
Nov = rst1.Fields(5)
Dec = rst1.Fields(6)
Loop
End If

rst1.Close

SQL2 = "INSERT Into HRSQD_Full (Jan, Feb, Mar, Apr, May, Jun, Jul, Aug,
Sep, Oct, Nov, Dec) Values (" & Jan & "," & Feb & "," & Mar & "," & Apr &
"," & May & "," & Jun & "," & Jul & "," & Aug & "," & Sep & "," & Oct &
"," & Nov & "," & Dec & ")"

MsgBox a

End Sub


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From lister at actuarial-files.com  Sat Sep  4 18:57:34 2004
From: lister at actuarial-files.com (Ralf Lister)
Date: Sat, 04 Sep 2004 23:57:34 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] OpenForm gets cancelled
Message-ID: <000001c47a7e$ca728fb0$d8bd3ac8@ralf>

Hello all,

I have a weird problem: In one of my forms I have coded "DoCmd.Openform "frmForm"". But everytime I try to execute this Code I get the message "Error message 2501 at run time. The action OpenForm was cancelled".

Can someone help me out, so I can perform the OpenForm-Command.

TIA

Saludos
Ralf


From Jeff at OUTBAKTech.com  Sat Sep  4 19:10:44 2004
From: Jeff at OUTBAKTech.com (Jeff Barrows)
Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 19:10:44 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Fw: Action Pack versus Partner Program
Message-ID: <8DA8776D2F418E46A2A464AC6CE630509341@outbaksrv1.outbaktech.com>

The Action Pack renewal is only $199/yr. 

Jeff Barrows
MCP, MCAD, MCSD
 
Outbak Technologies, LLC
Racine, WI
jeff at outbaktech.com
-----Original Message-----
From: JMoss [mailto:jmoss111 at bellsouth.net] 
Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2004 5:49 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Fw: Action Pack versus Partner Program

You don't really get anything in the Partner program which is free. The
Action Pack is $299/yr and the Action Pack Plus is $399/yr. The Plus
gets
you a subscription of Microsoft bCentral List Builder in addition to
what
you get in the Action Pack subscription.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
Beach Access Software
Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2004 3:42 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Fw: Action Pack versus Partner Program


Es verdad.  I was just wondering if the additional stuff you get in the
partner program was worth the extra $75.

Rocky

----- Original Message -----
From: "John W. Colby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2004 11:17 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Fw: Action Pack versus Partner Program


> Rocky
>
> AFAICT you have to join the partner program (free) then you are
allowed to
> buy the action pack.  I just did so but haven't received the action
pack
> yet.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky
Smolin -
> Beach Access Software
> Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2004 1:56 PM
> To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Fw: Action Pack versus Partner Program
>
>
>
> > Any opinions on the Action Pack versus the Partner program?
> >
> > TIA
> >
> > Rocky Smolin
> > Beach Access Software
> > http://www.e-z-mrp.com
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Dixon" <dixon at fossware.net>
> > To: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <rsmolin at san.rr.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2004 10:58 AM
> > Subject: Re: Fw: ...holy smoly!!!
> >
> >
> > > Rocky,
> > >       The Action Pac contains less stuff and has less obligation
and
> lower
> > price. Bottom line, I think Action Pac is best for me and the full
pac
> > you are looking at may be best for you.
> > >
> > > Action Pac has 5 licenses for:
> > > Win XP Pro, Office Pro 2003, MapPoint, FrontPage, InfoPath,
OneNote,
> > InfoPath, Project, Publisher, Sharepoint, Visio, VirtualPC.
> > > And a bunch of servers; SQL2000Standard, LiveCommunications,
> > > Exchange,
> > MobileInformation, Windows2003Standard, Windows2003Web and
> > SmallBusiness.
> > > It also has tons of sales training material.
> > > Development tools such as .Net, Visual Studio and other compilers
> > > are
> not
> > included.
> > > Price is $300/Year with no limit on continuing subscriptions,
> > > quarterly
> > updates and no obligations to produce anything.
> > >
> > > The one you are looking at may be more interesting for you because
> > > it
> > includes the same software plus other systems (Win2K) and .Net and
> > more
> MSDN
> > features and you can satisfy the development obligation. Drawbacks
> > are; it only lasts for two years then reverts to standard pricing.
> > >
> > > Dixon.
> > >
> > > ======= At 2004-09-03, 22:24:00 you wrote: =======
> > >
> > > >Dixon:
> > > >
> > > >This is the Microsoft deal I was looking at.  How's this compare
to
> > > >the Action Pack?
> > > >
> > > >Rocky
> > > >
> > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > >From: "William Hindman" <wdhindman at bellsouth.net>
> > > >To: "'Steven W. Erbach'" <serbach at new.rr.com>
> > > >Cc: <rsmolin at san.rr.com>; <jon.tydda at alcontrol.co.uk>;
> > > ><piergrossi at new.rr.com>; <gkjos at comcast.net>;
<ssharkins at bellsouth.net>
> > > >Sent: Monday, July 26, 2004 10:42 AM
> > > >Subject: ...holy smoly!!!
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
>http://members.microsoft.com/partner/competency/isvcomp/empower/default
> >.asp
> > x
> > > >#P59_3411
> > > >
> > > >....check this out ...a full MSDN Universal Subscription for only
> > $375.00!
> > > >
> > > >....from Microsoft themselves!
> > > >
> > > >....that's an incredible price when you consider it includes
> > > >virtually
> > every
> > > >piece of Microsoft software except maybe Flight simulator ...plus
> umpteen
> > > >developer aids and CD updates every month ...plus five user
> > > >licenses.
> > > >
> > > >....all you have to do is register as a partner (very easy, no
> > > >cost)
> and
> > > >PROMISE to develop an application for a market of your choice.
> > > >
> > > >....and they'll let you do this for two years before moving you
up
> > > >to
> > regular
> > > >pricing.
> > > >
> > > >William Hindman
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >.
> > >
> > > = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sat Sep  4 19:59:50 2004
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sun, 05 Sep 2004 10:59:50 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Import columns
In-Reply-To: <16154.216.223.34.13.1094341710.squirrel@heck.xuppa.com>
References: <b874372a04090408505f9a8dc8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <413AF1A6.26310.4C93E5A@lexacorp.com.pg>

On 4 Sep 2004 at 19:48, Oleg_123 at xuppa.com wrote:

> Hey Group, happy holidays fro those of u in US. I am supposed to count the
> number of columns and based on the result import the data into a table
> with month names. The last column always contains December
> Am I on the right track ?

Sounds like someone wants a homework assignment done for them :-)




-- 
Stuart




From bchacc at san.rr.com  Sat Sep  4 23:15:24 2004
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 21:15:24 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OpenForm gets cancelled
References: <000001c47a7e$ca728fb0$d8bd3ac8@ralf>
Message-ID: <017001c492fe$f80433f0$6601a8c0@HAL9002>

Ralf:

Sounds like something is going wrong in frmForm.  Can you open it in form
view from the database container?  Can you do a "compile all" without a
compile error?

Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
http://www.e-z-mrp.com


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ralf Lister" <lister at actuarial-files.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2004 4:51 PM
Subject: [AccessD] OpenForm gets cancelled


Hello all,

I have a weird problem: In one of my forms I have coded "DoCmd.Openform
"frmForm"". But everytime I try to execute this Code I get the message
"Error message 2501 at run time. The action OpenForm was cancelled".

Can someone help me out, so I can perform the OpenForm-Command.

TIA

Saludos
Ralf
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Sun Sep  5 04:22:45 2004
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 11:22:45 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Remote Desktop Connection Client 1.0.2 for Mac OS X
In-Reply-To: <b874372a04090409047ad3608a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6826407592.20040827181338@cactus.dk>
	<15718612102.20040903172429@cactus.dk>
	<b874372a04090409047ad3608a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <114417632.20040905112245@cactus.dk>

Hi Francisco

Remote control is not what I had in mind.

A terminal server allows, say, ten users to access your Access app
concurrently - and those ten users could be powered by a Macintosh.

/gustav


> Date: 2004-09-04 18:04

> I currently do not have a need for Mac desktop connectivity... but for
> all my Windoze system I use UltraVNC, and for Other platforms I use
> RealVNC.

> you can google for either...


>> No comments on this?
>> Looks like an easy way to bring your app to the desktop of a Mac user.
>> 
>> /gustav
>> 
>> > Anyone having experiences with this, running Access or anything else?
>> 
>> > http://www.microsoft.com/mac/downloads.aspx?pid=download&location=/mac/DOWNLOAD/MISC/RDC.xml&secid=80&ssid=9&flgnosysreq=False
>> 
>> > If connecting to a Terminal Server what are the licensing for this
>> > for, say, 10 users? What that be a Windows 2003 server with 10 CALs?



From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Sun Sep  5 04:42:24 2004
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps - IT Helps)
Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 11:42:24 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Reader for .MSG files.
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF734D@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

That seems to be it...

No price, no eval.
Requested info..

Thx
Erwin 

-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Namens Stuart McLachlan
Verzonden: zaterdag 4 september 2004 2:06
Aan: Access Developers discussion and problemsolving
Onderwerp: RE: [AccessD] Reader for .MSG files.

On 3 Sep 2004 at 8:40, Erwin Craps - IT Helps wrote:

> And it really must be a simple viewer like The Access Snapshot viewer 
> (for example).
> Just by doubleclicking on the .MSG file the content must displayed and

> the Excel file in the .MSG file can be opened directly like in 
> outlook...
> 

Take a look at

http://www.priasoft.com/products_msg_v.asp
"MSG File Viewer is a convenient application for opening MSG files and
reading, printing, or viewing the attachments within. MSG Viewer also
has a lightning fast search utility to allow you to find MSG files that
meet specific attributes and then open them in the Viewer."

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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sun Sep  5 04:54:15 2004
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sun, 05 Sep 2004 19:54:15 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Reader for .MSG files.
In-Reply-To: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF734D@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
Message-ID: <413B6EE7.25507.6B28367@lexacorp.com.pg>

On 5 Sep 2004 at 11:42, Erwin Craps - IT Helps wrote:

> That seems to be it...
> 
> No price, no eval.
> Requested info..
> 

There was a page to request an  evaluation copy (after you have told them 
your life history)

http://www.priasoft.com/evaluation.asp
-- 
Stuart




From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Sun Sep  5 04:58:50 2004
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps - IT Helps)
Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 11:58:50 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Reader for .MSG files.
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF7350@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

Yes I seen it and told them the story of my life...
I should be getting it for free, for compassion now :-)

-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Namens Stuart McLachlan
Verzonden: zondag 5 september 2004 11:54
Aan: Access Developers discussion and problemsolving
Onderwerp: RE: [AccessD] Reader for .MSG files.

On 5 Sep 2004 at 11:42, Erwin Craps - IT Helps wrote:

> That seems to be it...
> 
> No price, no eval.
> Requested info..
> 

There was a page to request an  evaluation copy (after you have told
them your life history)

http://www.priasoft.com/evaluation.asp
--
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Sun Sep  5 06:22:50 2004
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 13:22:50 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Import columns
In-Reply-To: <16154.216.223.34.13.1094341710.squirrel@heck.xuppa.com>
References: <b874372a04090322136fd861ba@mail.gmail.com>
	<FJEJLIPOMCGJALMGLLLIAEEMCGAA.accessd@shaw.ca>
	<b874372a04090408505f9a8dc8@mail.gmail.com>
	<16154.216.223.34.13.1094341710.squirrel@heck.xuppa.com>
Message-ID: <5211622762.20040905132250@cactus.dk>

Hi Oleg

Assuming that your 12 fields are juxtaposed, why not just loop through
the records and the fields:

Public Function AppendRecords()

  ' First field of source table to pick data.
  Const clngRst1Offset As Long = 4  ' Adjust!
  ' First field of target table to insert data.
  Const clngRst2Offset As Long = 1  ' Adjust!
  ' Max count of fields to use in target table.
  Const clngRst2Max    As Long = 12

  Dim cnn        As ADODB.Connection
  Dim rst1       As ADODB.Recordset
  Dim rst2       As ADODB.Recordset
  Dim strSQL1    As String
  Dim strSQL2    As String
  Dim lngField1  As Long
  Dim lngField2  As Long
  Dim lngField   As Long
  
  Set cnn = CurrentProject.Connection
  Set rst1 = New ADODB.Recordset
  Set rst2 = New ADODB.Recordset
  
  strSQL1 = "Select * From Hrsqd"
  strSQL2 = "Select Top 1 * From Hrsqd_Full"
  
  rst1.Open strSQL1, cnn, adOpenKeyset, adLockOptimistic, adCmdTableDirect
  rst2.Open strSQL2, cnn, adOpenKeyset, adLockOptimistic, adCmdTableDirect
  
  ' Number of fields to pick from source table.
  lngField1 = rst1.Fields.Count - clngRst1Offset
  ' First field in target table to insert data.
  lngField2 = clngRst2Offset + clngRst2Max - lngField1
  
  Do While Not rst1.EOF
    rst2.AddNew
      For lngField = 0 To lngField1 - 1
        rst2.Fields(lngField2 + lngField).Value = _
          rst1.Fields(clngRst1Offset + lngField).Value
      Next
    rst2.Update
    rst1.MoveNext
  Loop
  
  rst2.Close
  rst1.Close
  
  Set rst2 = Nothing
  Set rst1 = Nothing
  Set cnn = Nothing

End Function

/gustav


> Hey Group, happy holidays fro those of u in US. I am supposed to count the
> number of columns and based on the result import the data into a table
> with month names. The last column always contains December
> Am I on the right track ?
> This is what I've done so far ---

> Private Sub Command1_Click()
> Dim cnn As ADODB.Connection
> Dim rst1 As New ADODB.Recordset
> Dim SQL1 As String, SQL2 As String
> Dim a As Integer 'number of columns
> Dim b As Integer
> Dim Jan, Feb, Mar, Apr, May, Jun, Jul, Aug, Sep, Oct, Nov, Dec

> Set cnn = CurrentProject.Connection

> SQL1 = "Select * From Hrsqd"
> rst1.Open SQL1, cnn, adOpenKeyset, adLockOptimistic, adCmdTableDirect

> a = rst1.Fields.Count 'number of fields
> b = a - 2 ' number of month fields



> If b = 6 Then 'Jul - Dec
> Do Until rst1.EOF
> Jul = rst1.Fields(3)
> Aug = rst1.Fields(4)
> Sep = rst1.Fields(5)
> Oct = rst1.Fields(6)
> Nov = rst1.Fields(7)
> Dec = rst1.Fields(8)
> Loop
> End If

> If b = 5 Then 'Aug - Dec
> Do Until rst1.EOF
> Aug = rst1.Fields(3)
> Sep = rst1.Fields(4)
> Oct = rst1.Fields(5)
> Nov = rst1.Fields(6)
> Dec = rst1.Fields(7)
> Loop
> End If

> If b = 4 Then 'Sep - Dec
> Do Until rst1.EOF
> Sep = rst1.Fields(3)
> Oct = rst1.Fields(4)
> Nov = rst1.Fields(5)
> Dec = rst1.Fields(6)
> Loop
> End If

> rst1.Close

> SQL2 = "INSERT Into HRSQD_Full (Jan, Feb, Mar, Apr, May, Jun, Jul, Aug,
> Sep, Oct, Nov, Dec) Values (" & Jan & "," & Feb & "," & Mar & "," & Apr &
> "," & May & "," & Jun & "," & Jul & "," & Aug & "," & Sep & "," & Oct &
> "," & Nov & "," & Dec & ")"

> MsgBox a

> End Sub



From fhtapia at gmail.com  Sun Sep  5 11:15:28 2004
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 09:15:28 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Remote Desktop Connection Client 1.0.2 for Mac OS X
In-Reply-To: <114417632.20040905112245@cactus.dk>
References: <6826407592.20040827181338@cactus.dk>
	<15718612102.20040903172429@cactus.dk>
	<b874372a04090409047ad3608a@mail.gmail.com>
	<114417632.20040905112245@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <b874372a04090509157d0ca030@mail.gmail.com>

haha, i misunderstood, it did say Remote Desktop Connection


On Sun, 5 Sep 2004 11:22:45 +0200, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
> Hi Francisco
> 
> Remote control is not what I had in mind.
> 
> A terminal server allows, say, ten users to access your Access app
> concurrently - and those ten users could be powered by a Macintosh.
> 
> /gustav
> 
> > Date: 2004-09-04 18:04
> 
> 
> 
> > I currently do not have a need for Mac desktop connectivity... but for
> > all my Windoze system I use UltraVNC, and for Other platforms I use
> > RealVNC.
> 
> > you can google for either...
> 
> >> No comments on this?
> >> Looks like an easy way to bring your app to the desktop of a Mac user.
> >>
> >> /gustav
> >>
> >> > Anyone having experiences with this, running Access or anything else?
> >>
> >> > http://www.microsoft.com/mac/downloads.aspx?pid=download&location=/mac/DOWNLOAD/MISC/RDC.xml&secid=80&ssid=9&flgnosysreq=False
> >>
> >> > If connecting to a Terminal Server what are the licensing for this
> >> > for, say, 10 users? What that be a Windows 2003 server with 10 CALs?
> 
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> 



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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Sun Sep  5 11:28:55 2004
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 09:28:55 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Keyboard Shortcut for comments
Message-ID: <004d01c49365$704cd540$6601a8c0@HAL9002>

Dear List:

On the edit toolbar there are icons for commenting and uncommenting blocks of code.  Is there a keyboard shortcut for these?

MTIA

Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
http://www.e-z-mrp.com


From gustav at cactus.dk  Sun Sep  5 11:29:41 2004
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 18:29:41 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Remote Desktop Connection Client 1.0.2 for Mac OS X
In-Reply-To: <b874372a04090509157d0ca030@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6826407592.20040827181338@cactus.dk>
	<15718612102.20040903172429@cactus.dk>
	<b874372a04090409047ad3608a@mail.gmail.com>
	<114417632.20040905112245@cactus.dk>
	<b874372a04090509157d0ca030@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8030033395.20040905182941@cactus.dk>

Hi Francisco

> haha, i misunderstood, it did say Remote Desktop Connection

Yes, however, subject is the official name from MS.

/gustav


> On Sun, 5 Sep 2004 11:22:45 +0200, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
>> Hi Francisco
>> 
>> Remote control is not what I had in mind.
>> 
>> A terminal server allows, say, ten users to access your Access app
>> concurrently - and those ten users could be powered by a Macintosh.
>> 
>> /gustav



From fhtapia at gmail.com  Sun Sep  5 11:52:59 2004
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 09:52:59 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Remote Desktop Connection Client 1.0.2 for Mac OS X
In-Reply-To: <8030033395.20040905182941@cactus.dk>
References: <6826407592.20040827181338@cactus.dk>
	<15718612102.20040903172429@cactus.dk>
	<b874372a04090409047ad3608a@mail.gmail.com>
	<114417632.20040905112245@cactus.dk>
	<b874372a04090509157d0ca030@mail.gmail.com>
	<8030033395.20040905182941@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <b874372a04090509522bd41e76@mail.gmail.com>

i went back to re-read this and it looks like it's more for just
Remote Desktop vs, Terminal Services.  Am I mis-reading it?

and since we're on the topic of MACs, I've Never been a mac user/lover
but I saw their NEW imac G5's man what an awesome looking pc.  Sure no
expandability, but it IS nice, maybe for the wife :D.


On Sun, 5 Sep 2004 18:29:41 +0200, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
> Hi Francisco
> 
> > haha, i misunderstood, it did say Remote Desktop Connection
> 
> Yes, however, subject is the official name from MS.
> 
> /gustav
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > On Sun, 5 Sep 2004 11:22:45 +0200, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
> >> Hi Francisco
> >>
> >> Remote control is not what I had in mind.
> >>
> >> A terminal server allows, say, ten users to access your Access app
> >> concurrently - and those ten users could be powered by a Macintosh.
> >>
> >> /gustav
> 
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Sun Sep  5 12:09:11 2004
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 19:09:11 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Remote Desktop Connection Client 1.0.2 for Mac OS X
In-Reply-To: <b874372a04090509522bd41e76@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6826407592.20040827181338@cactus.dk>
	<15718612102.20040903172429@cactus.dk>
	<b874372a04090409047ad3608a@mail.gmail.com>
	<114417632.20040905112245@cactus.dk>
	<b874372a04090509157d0ca030@mail.gmail.com>
	<8030033395.20040905182941@cactus.dk>
	<b874372a04090509522bd41e76@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6632403343.20040905190911@cactus.dk>

Hi Francisco

> i went back to re-read this and it looks like it's more for just
> Remote Desktop vs, Terminal Services.  Am I mis-reading it?

No, that's right. It's a client which will open a window on the Mac
with a Windows Terminal Server session. Within this you can offer the
Mac user to run your Access app off the Terminal Server without
installing anything else on the Mac than this client.

(You probably know all this, but it may be new stuff for someone else
following this thread).

I'm no Mac-fan but if clients wish to pay for a Terminal Server setup,
I don't mind as long as it works reliably.

/gustav



From EricGoetz at egisystems.com  Sun Sep  5 12:57:33 2004
From: EricGoetz at egisystems.com (Eric Goetz)
Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 10:57:33 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Can you Raid
Message-ID: <37E09725C7EB7B4F9E1ACA8F24EE55DB203C6C@servera22.doma.ops>

Hi John,

I've worked with Windows 2000 Server software RAID 1. I've found that I
could take either drive out, and boot off the other one. I wanted to go
through the process of recovering from a failed drive before I had one.

To get the system to boot off the drive in the second slot, I used a
boot floppy with a boot.ini file that specified both slots as having an
OS.

I found that once I booted from one of the mirrored disks, I could not
just put the other one back in and have a happy day. I needed to wipe
the drive and rebuild the mirror.

I used MS knowledge base article 311578, How to Edit the Boot.ini File
in Windows 2000 for help.

I think I'll use this idea for those systems where I can't get the right
disk controller drivers for Ghost to work.

I hope this helps you out.

Thanks,
 
Eric
 

-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2004 10:17 AM
To: AccessD; Tech - Database Advisors Inc.
Subject: [AccessD] Can you Raid

Does anyone know if you can use Windows built-in raid capability to set
up a
raid 1 (mirror) then break the raid and move the mirror to another
identical
machine as the boot drive?  I have a pair of MSI k8n Neo motherboards
that I
purchased.  I have a pair of 80 gb samsung drives in one machine that I
have
just finished setting up.  I need to create an image of that setup and
move
that image to the other machine.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Sun Sep  5 13:03:20 2004
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Sun, 05 Sep 2004 11:03:20 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Info Sample Data Models
References: <000001c47a7e$ca728fb0$d8bd3ac8@ralf>
	<017001c492fe$f80433f0$6601a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <413B54E8.20302@shaw.ca>

 Just something I re-rembered from a couple of years ago.
This site is useful if you have to pull up a quick starting point data 
model for a client.
Maybe someone will find useful.
It has several hundred examples that you can mix and match.
there are several hundred examples from Afghan rainfall to Zoos
These include things like customer service, BOM and pizza delivery.
There are small examples to handle things that might get complicated
like traditional and contemporary marriage or customer metrics.

http://www.databaseanswers.org/data_models/index.htm

-- 
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada





From EricGoetz at egisystems.com  Sun Sep  5 13:32:32 2004
From: EricGoetz at egisystems.com (Eric Goetz)
Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 11:32:32 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Parts and assemblies design
Message-ID: <37E09725C7EB7B4F9E1ACA8F24EE55DB203C6D@servera22.doma.ops>

Hi,

 

I am working on a database to replace some paper forms. I get the
feeling I'm starting more "from scratch" than I need to. So I thought
I'd ask if anyone knows of any examples of solutions for the following
problem.

 

A medical device manufacturer needs to track all the actions performed
on each device as it moves through manufacturing to meet FDA
requirements. The forms are called "travelers." The first traveler gets
created when the device is built. A new traveler gets created every time
the device returns from the field (for upgrade or repair.) 

 

The forms show each part with its revision, part number, lot number, or
other attribute. There are different attributes for different types of
parts. Such as, software has a checksum, and a revision number while a
relay has does not. Instead, a relay has a lot number.

 

Here are a couple of my challenges:

 

I am modeling parts and assemblies, where an assembly is also a part. As
the devices come back from the field, they may get upgraded with
different parts and assemblies so the hierarchy is flexible. There seems
to be a many to many relationship between parts and assemblies. So, I
made a basic parts table: 

 

Part { ID, PartNumber, Name } where ID is the primary key

Sample data: 

{ 1, 26.026, Enclosure }

{ 57, 26.002, PCA }

{ 113, 26.100, ECA }

{ 114, 26.098, Xfrm }

{ 115, 26.022, Xfrm }

{ 116, 26.021, Xfrm }

 

And I made another table to hold the many to many assignments between
parts and assemblies.

AssyPartAssignment { ID, AssyID, PartID, Name } where ID is the primary
key and AssyID and PartID are foreign keys for the ID in the Part table.

Sample data:

{ 1, 113, 57, Controller PCA }

{ 2, 113, 1, ECA Enclosure }

{ 3, 57, 114, Xfrm T1 }

{ 4, 57, 115, Xfrm T2 }

{ 5, 57, 116, Xfrm T3 }

{ 6, 57, 115, Xfrm T4 }

 

The report needs to show this hierarchy. 

26.100 - ECA

  26.026 - ECA Enclosure

    26.002 - Controller PCA

      26.098 - Xfrm T1

      26.022 - Xfrm T2

      26.021 - Xfrm T3

      26.022 - Xfrm T4

 

The same transformer, 26.022 shows up twice in the PCA assembly.

 

I'll build more tables for the different attributes of parts, such as,
software with its checksum, and parts that have only lots, and parts
that have revisions and lots. I'll use the ID key from the Part table as
the primary key for the subtype tables based on the entity relationship
chapter from the CJDate book.

 

I need to make the forms to enter these variable hierarchies. 

 

Got any suggestions that might put a little more holiday in my Labor
Day?

 

Thanks,

 

Eric

 

 



From EricGoetz at egisystems.com  Sun Sep  5 13:36:27 2004
From: EricGoetz at egisystems.com (Eric Goetz)
Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 11:36:27 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Info Sample Data Models
Message-ID: <37E09725C7EB7B4F9E1ACA8F24EE55DB203C6E@servera22.doma.ops>

Hi,

I wish I would have seen this before I posted that long request for
design help.

Thanks,
 
Eric
 
c: (408) 892-7491
 

-----Original Message-----
From: MartyConnelly [mailto:martyconnelly at shaw.ca] 
Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 11:03 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Info Sample Data Models

 Just something I re-rembered from a couple of years ago.
This site is useful if you have to pull up a quick starting point data 
model for a client.
Maybe someone will find useful.
It has several hundred examples that you can mix and match.
there are several hundred examples from Afghan rainfall to Zoos
These include things like customer service, BOM and pizza delivery.
There are small examples to handle things that might get complicated
like traditional and contemporary marriage or customer metrics.

http://www.databaseanswers.org/data_models/index.htm

-- 
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada



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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Sun Sep  5 14:02:34 2004
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 14:02:34 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Parts and assemblies design
In-Reply-To: <25833773.1094409795534.JavaMail.root@sniper7.usinternet.com>
Message-ID: <000201c4937a$e7497260$de1811d8@danwaters>

Eric,

 

You are getting into the basics of a Material Resource Planning system
(MRP).  You are making a Bill of Material (BOM) structure.  I would
recommend that you find some examples of these before you do much more work.
(Sorry I can't give you direction on this.)  I suspect though, that using
many-to-many relationships are not what you will want.

 

Also, since you are developing a system for a medical device company, you
must be very familiar with the FDA's rule on electronic records and
signatures.  This is called Title 21 CFR Part 11.  Much information is on
the FDA's website, 

 

http://www.accessdata.fda.gov/scripts/cdrh/cfdocs/cfcfr/CFRSearch.cfm?CFRPar
t=11

 

Also, there are some guidance documents issued by the FDA over the past
couple of years that will have an impact on what you're doing.

 

The Regulatory Manager at your company should be able to give you more
information.

 

Best of Luck!

Dan

 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Eric Goetz
Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 1:33 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Parts and assemblies design

 

Hi,

 

 

 

I am working on a database to replace some paper forms. I get the

feeling I'm starting more "from scratch" than I need to. So I thought

I'd ask if anyone knows of any examples of solutions for the following

problem.

 

 

 

A medical device manufacturer needs to track all the actions performed

on each device as it moves through manufacturing to meet FDA

requirements. The forms are called "travelers." The first traveler gets

created when the device is built. A new traveler gets created every time

the device returns from the field (for upgrade or repair.) 

 

 

 

The forms show each part with its revision, part number, lot number, or

other attribute. There are different attributes for different types of

parts. Such as, software has a checksum, and a revision number while a

relay has does not. Instead, a relay has a lot number.

 

 

 

Here are a couple of my challenges:

 

 

 

I am modeling parts and assemblies, where an assembly is also a part. As

the devices come back from the field, they may get upgraded with

different parts and assemblies so the hierarchy is flexible. There seems

to be a many to many relationship between parts and assemblies. So, I

made a basic parts table: 

 

 

 

Part { ID, PartNumber, Name } where ID is the primary key

 

Sample data: 

 

{ 1, 26.026, Enclosure }

 

{ 57, 26.002, PCA }

 

{ 113, 26.100, ECA }

 

{ 114, 26.098, Xfrm }

 

{ 115, 26.022, Xfrm }

 

{ 116, 26.021, Xfrm }

 

 

 

And I made another table to hold the many to many assignments between

parts and assemblies.

 

AssyPartAssignment { ID, AssyID, PartID, Name } where ID is the primary

key and AssyID and PartID are foreign keys for the ID in the Part table.

 

Sample data:

 

{ 1, 113, 57, Controller PCA }

 

{ 2, 113, 1, ECA Enclosure }

 

{ 3, 57, 114, Xfrm T1 }

 

{ 4, 57, 115, Xfrm T2 }

 

{ 5, 57, 116, Xfrm T3 }

 

{ 6, 57, 115, Xfrm T4 }

 

 

 

The report needs to show this hierarchy. 

 

26.100 - ECA

 

  26.026 - ECA Enclosure

 

    26.002 - Controller PCA

 

      26.098 - Xfrm T1

 

      26.022 - Xfrm T2

 

      26.021 - Xfrm T3

 

      26.022 - Xfrm T4

 

 

 

The same transformer, 26.022 shows up twice in the PCA assembly.

 

 

 

I'll build more tables for the different attributes of parts, such as,

software with its checksum, and parts that have only lots, and parts

that have revisions and lots. I'll use the ID key from the Part table as

the primary key for the subtype tables based on the entity relationship

chapter from the CJDate book.

 

 

 

I need to make the forms to enter these variable hierarchies. 

 

 

 

Got any suggestions that might put a little more holiday in my Labor

Day?

 

 

 

Thanks,

 

 

 

Eric

 

 

 

 

 

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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Sun Sep  5 14:17:43 2004
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 12:17:43 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Parts and assemblies design
References: <37E09725C7EB7B4F9E1ACA8F24EE55DB203C6D@servera22.doma.ops>
Message-ID: <00aa01c4937d$054f61a0$6601a8c0@HAL9002>

Eric:

Shameless plug for my manufacturing system.  You can check it out at
www.ezmrp.com

It will do the structured bills of material that they need.

I just added a Capacity Requirements Planning module to the system which
does not yet show on the web site however.  In the CRP module you define
work centers and then add routings for each assembly - queue time, set up
time and unit run time for each operation.  Although it's not part of their
immediate requirement, as a bonus, the CRP Calculate program will calculate
how much of each work center's capacity is being used every day.

Once they have that database built, since EZMRP is written in Access, and
since the back end is wide open, you could easily write a report in their
custom format, although E-Z-MRP does have a traveler report which shows the
start date for each operation based on a specific work order, that work
order's due date, and the assembly's lead time and, actually, the report you
model there looks mostly like an indented bill of materials, which, of
course, E-Z-MRP does.

Starting with E-Z-MRP's framework might save you a LOT of development time.
(BTW, the audit trail that it produces on each inventory transaction, to
which you can attach a serial or lot number, also goes along way towards
satisfying FDA requirements.)

If you're interested after checking the web site, please contact me off-line
at bchacc at san.rr.com and I'll give you a system to evaluate.  Or call if you
want to talk about it - 858-259-4334.

HTH

Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
http://www.e-z-mrp.com




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Eric Goetz" <EricGoetz at egisystems.com>
To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 11:32 AM
Subject: [AccessD] Parts and assemblies design


Hi,



I am working on a database to replace some paper forms. I get the
feeling I'm starting more "from scratch" than I need to. So I thought
I'd ask if anyone knows of any examples of solutions for the following
problem.



A medical device manufacturer needs to track all the actions performed
on each device as it moves through manufacturing to meet FDA
requirements. The forms are called "travelers." The first traveler gets
created when the device is built. A new traveler gets created every time
the device returns from the field (for upgrade or repair.)



The forms show each part with its revision, part number, lot number, or
other attribute. There are different attributes for different types of
parts. Such as, software has a checksum, and a revision number while a
relay has does not. Instead, a relay has a lot number.



Here are a couple of my challenges:



I am modeling parts and assemblies, where an assembly is also a part. As
the devices come back from the field, they may get upgraded with
different parts and assemblies so the hierarchy is flexible. There seems
to be a many to many relationship between parts and assemblies. So, I
made a basic parts table:



Part { ID, PartNumber, Name } where ID is the primary key

Sample data:

{ 1, 26.026, Enclosure }

{ 57, 26.002, PCA }

{ 113, 26.100, ECA }

{ 114, 26.098, Xfrm }

{ 115, 26.022, Xfrm }

{ 116, 26.021, Xfrm }



And I made another table to hold the many to many assignments between
parts and assemblies.

AssyPartAssignment { ID, AssyID, PartID, Name } where ID is the primary
key and AssyID and PartID are foreign keys for the ID in the Part table.

Sample data:

{ 1, 113, 57, Controller PCA }

{ 2, 113, 1, ECA Enclosure }

{ 3, 57, 114, Xfrm T1 }

{ 4, 57, 115, Xfrm T2 }

{ 5, 57, 116, Xfrm T3 }

{ 6, 57, 115, Xfrm T4 }



The report needs to show this hierarchy.

26.100 - ECA

  26.026 - ECA Enclosure

    26.002 - Controller PCA

      26.098 - Xfrm T1

      26.022 - Xfrm T2

      26.021 - Xfrm T3

      26.022 - Xfrm T4



The same transformer, 26.022 shows up twice in the PCA assembly.



I'll build more tables for the different attributes of parts, such as,
software with its checksum, and parts that have only lots, and parts
that have revisions and lots. I'll use the ID key from the Part table as
the primary key for the subtype tables based on the entity relationship
chapter from the CJDate book.



I need to make the forms to enter these variable hierarchies.



Got any suggestions that might put a little more holiday in my Labor
Day?



Thanks,



Eric





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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Sun Sep  5 14:38:03 2004
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 14:38:03 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Parts and assemblies design
In-Reply-To: <6691981.1094412411561.JavaMail.root@sniper5.usinternet.com>
Message-ID: <000e01c4937f$dc74ac60$de1811d8@danwaters>

Hi Rocky!

Yes that was shameless.  But good!

I was wondering if you address electronic signatures, and if so, what's your
approach?

Thanks,
Dan Waters

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
Beach Access Software
Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 2:18 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Cc: Tom Hintz
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Parts and assemblies design

Eric:

Shameless plug for my manufacturing system.  You can check it out at
www.ezmrp.com

It will do the structured bills of material that they need.

I just added a Capacity Requirements Planning module to the system which
does not yet show on the web site however.  In the CRP module you define
work centers and then add routings for each assembly - queue time, set up
time and unit run time for each operation.  Although it's not part of their
immediate requirement, as a bonus, the CRP Calculate program will calculate
how much of each work center's capacity is being used every day.

Once they have that database built, since EZMRP is written in Access, and
since the back end is wide open, you could easily write a report in their
custom format, although E-Z-MRP does have a traveler report which shows the
start date for each operation based on a specific work order, that work
order's due date, and the assembly's lead time and, actually, the report you
model there looks mostly like an indented bill of materials, which, of
course, E-Z-MRP does.

Starting with E-Z-MRP's framework might save you a LOT of development time.
(BTW, the audit trail that it produces on each inventory transaction, to
which you can attach a serial or lot number, also goes along way towards
satisfying FDA requirements.)

If you're interested after checking the web site, please contact me off-line
at bchacc at san.rr.com and I'll give you a system to evaluate.  Or call if you
want to talk about it - 858-259-4334.

HTH

Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
http://www.e-z-mrp.com




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Eric Goetz" <EricGoetz at egisystems.com>
To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 11:32 AM
Subject: [AccessD] Parts and assemblies design


Hi,



I am working on a database to replace some paper forms. I get the
feeling I'm starting more "from scratch" than I need to. So I thought
I'd ask if anyone knows of any examples of solutions for the following
problem.



A medical device manufacturer needs to track all the actions performed
on each device as it moves through manufacturing to meet FDA
requirements. The forms are called "travelers." The first traveler gets
created when the device is built. A new traveler gets created every time
the device returns from the field (for upgrade or repair.)



The forms show each part with its revision, part number, lot number, or
other attribute. There are different attributes for different types of
parts. Such as, software has a checksum, and a revision number while a
relay has does not. Instead, a relay has a lot number.



Here are a couple of my challenges:



I am modeling parts and assemblies, where an assembly is also a part. As
the devices come back from the field, they may get upgraded with
different parts and assemblies so the hierarchy is flexible. There seems
to be a many to many relationship between parts and assemblies. So, I
made a basic parts table:



Part { ID, PartNumber, Name } where ID is the primary key

Sample data:

{ 1, 26.026, Enclosure }

{ 57, 26.002, PCA }

{ 113, 26.100, ECA }

{ 114, 26.098, Xfrm }

{ 115, 26.022, Xfrm }

{ 116, 26.021, Xfrm }



And I made another table to hold the many to many assignments between
parts and assemblies.

AssyPartAssignment { ID, AssyID, PartID, Name } where ID is the primary
key and AssyID and PartID are foreign keys for the ID in the Part table.

Sample data:

{ 1, 113, 57, Controller PCA }

{ 2, 113, 1, ECA Enclosure }

{ 3, 57, 114, Xfrm T1 }

{ 4, 57, 115, Xfrm T2 }

{ 5, 57, 116, Xfrm T3 }

{ 6, 57, 115, Xfrm T4 }



The report needs to show this hierarchy.

26.100 - ECA

  26.026 - ECA Enclosure

    26.002 - Controller PCA

      26.098 - Xfrm T1

      26.022 - Xfrm T2

      26.021 - Xfrm T3

      26.022 - Xfrm T4



The same transformer, 26.022 shows up twice in the PCA assembly.



I'll build more tables for the different attributes of parts, such as,
software with its checksum, and parts that have only lots, and parts
that have revisions and lots. I'll use the ID key from the Part table as
the primary key for the subtype tables based on the entity relationship
chapter from the CJDate book.



I need to make the forms to enter these variable hierarchies.



Got any suggestions that might put a little more holiday in my Labor
Day?



Thanks,



Eric





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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Sun Sep  5 15:05:30 2004
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 13:05:30 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Parts and assemblies design
References: <000e01c4937f$dc74ac60$de1811d8@danwaters>
Message-ID: <00cc01c49383$b1c3e220$6601a8c0@HAL9002>

Dan:

I have no shame.

But I also have no electronic signature feature in the system.

 The system evolved when I first released it (1985) based on what the
customers wanted.  So I suppose the first customer who needs electronic
signatures will get it.  But I have no earthly idea how they work. Yet.

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dan Waters" <dwaters at usinternet.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 12:38 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Parts and assemblies design


> Hi Rocky!
>
> Yes that was shameless.  But good!
>
> I was wondering if you address electronic signatures, and if so, what's
your
> approach?
>
> Thanks,
> Dan Waters
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
> Beach Access Software
> Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 2:18 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Cc: Tom Hintz
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Parts and assemblies design
>
> Eric:
>
> Shameless plug for my manufacturing system.  You can check it out at
> www.ezmrp.com
>
> It will do the structured bills of material that they need.
>
> I just added a Capacity Requirements Planning module to the system which
> does not yet show on the web site however.  In the CRP module you define
> work centers and then add routings for each assembly - queue time, set up
> time and unit run time for each operation.  Although it's not part of
their
> immediate requirement, as a bonus, the CRP Calculate program will
calculate
> how much of each work center's capacity is being used every day.
>
> Once they have that database built, since EZMRP is written in Access, and
> since the back end is wide open, you could easily write a report in their
> custom format, although E-Z-MRP does have a traveler report which shows
the
> start date for each operation based on a specific work order, that work
> order's due date, and the assembly's lead time and, actually, the report
you
> model there looks mostly like an indented bill of materials, which, of
> course, E-Z-MRP does.
>
> Starting with E-Z-MRP's framework might save you a LOT of development
time.
> (BTW, the audit trail that it produces on each inventory transaction, to
> which you can attach a serial or lot number, also goes along way towards
> satisfying FDA requirements.)
>
> If you're interested after checking the web site, please contact me
off-line
> at bchacc at san.rr.com and I'll give you a system to evaluate.  Or call if
you
> want to talk about it - 858-259-4334.
>
> HTH
>
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
> http://www.e-z-mrp.com
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Eric Goetz" <EricGoetz at egisystems.com>
> To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 11:32 AM
> Subject: [AccessD] Parts and assemblies design
>
>
> Hi,
>
>
>
> I am working on a database to replace some paper forms. I get the
> feeling I'm starting more "from scratch" than I need to. So I thought
> I'd ask if anyone knows of any examples of solutions for the following
> problem.
>
>
>
> A medical device manufacturer needs to track all the actions performed
> on each device as it moves through manufacturing to meet FDA
> requirements. The forms are called "travelers." The first traveler gets
> created when the device is built. A new traveler gets created every time
> the device returns from the field (for upgrade or repair.)
>
>
>
> The forms show each part with its revision, part number, lot number, or
> other attribute. There are different attributes for different types of
> parts. Such as, software has a checksum, and a revision number while a
> relay has does not. Instead, a relay has a lot number.
>
>
>
> Here are a couple of my challenges:
>
>
>
> I am modeling parts and assemblies, where an assembly is also a part. As
> the devices come back from the field, they may get upgraded with
> different parts and assemblies so the hierarchy is flexible. There seems
> to be a many to many relationship between parts and assemblies. So, I
> made a basic parts table:
>
>
>
> Part { ID, PartNumber, Name } where ID is the primary key
>
> Sample data:
>
> { 1, 26.026, Enclosure }
>
> { 57, 26.002, PCA }
>
> { 113, 26.100, ECA }
>
> { 114, 26.098, Xfrm }
>
> { 115, 26.022, Xfrm }
>
> { 116, 26.021, Xfrm }
>
>
>
> And I made another table to hold the many to many assignments between
> parts and assemblies.
>
> AssyPartAssignment { ID, AssyID, PartID, Name } where ID is the primary
> key and AssyID and PartID are foreign keys for the ID in the Part table.
>
> Sample data:
>
> { 1, 113, 57, Controller PCA }
>
> { 2, 113, 1, ECA Enclosure }
>
> { 3, 57, 114, Xfrm T1 }
>
> { 4, 57, 115, Xfrm T2 }
>
> { 5, 57, 116, Xfrm T3 }
>
> { 6, 57, 115, Xfrm T4 }
>
>
>
> The report needs to show this hierarchy.
>
> 26.100 - ECA
>
>   26.026 - ECA Enclosure
>
>     26.002 - Controller PCA
>
>       26.098 - Xfrm T1
>
>       26.022 - Xfrm T2
>
>       26.021 - Xfrm T3
>
>       26.022 - Xfrm T4
>
>
>
> The same transformer, 26.022 shows up twice in the PCA assembly.
>
>
>
> I'll build more tables for the different attributes of parts, such as,
> software with its checksum, and parts that have only lots, and parts
> that have revisions and lots. I'll use the ID key from the Part table as
> the primary key for the subtype tables based on the entity relationship
> chapter from the CJDate book.
>
>
>
> I need to make the forms to enter these variable hierarchies.
>
>
>
> Got any suggestions that might put a little more holiday in my Labor
> Day?
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Eric
>
>
>
>
>
> -- 
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From apg at alun.de  Sun Sep  5 17:19:02 2004
From: apg at alun.de (alun)
Date: Mon, 06 Sep 2004 00:19:02 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Open a  form from a different db
In-Reply-To: <EAF3070ACB1AD81182280002A51EF7311921F5@s003.wolds.summitmedia.co.uk>
References: <EAF3070ACB1AD81182280002A51EF7311921F5@s003.wolds.summitmedia.co.uk>
Message-ID: <413B90D6.4020305@alun.de>

Paul Rodgers wrote:

>I need to open a form from another database. I just can't find it in my
>books. Anyone done this simple thing recently please? Cheers
>paul 
>
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> 
>
>  
>
not sure if this is what you're looking for
http://www.mvps.org/access/forms/frm0034.htm

hth
alun



From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Sun Sep  5 17:45:45 2004
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Sun, 05 Sep 2004 15:45:45 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Parts and assemblies design
References: <000e01c4937f$dc74ac60$de1811d8@danwaters>
	<00cc01c49383$b1c3e220$6601a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <413B9719.2010207@shaw.ca>

This may give you an idea what is involved, It is essentially an 
envelope around the document
with a seal that says it hasn't been modified after signing.

If you are looking for signatures either digital or digitized (mouse or 
stylus) that are FDA approved
try things like Pronto from Alphatrust
http://www.alphatrust.com/products/pronto/desktop.asp
Their other products require IE access to a certificate server at around 
$250 a month.
Getting your own hardware certificate server certified by FDA may start 
to cost you in $10,000 range.


Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software wrote:

>Dan:
>
>I have no shame.
>
>But I also have no electronic signature feature in the system.
>
> The system evolved when I first released it (1985) based on what the
>customers wanted.  So I suppose the first customer who needs electronic
>signatures will get it.  But I have no earthly idea how they work. Yet.
>
>Rocky
>
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Dan Waters" <dwaters at usinternet.com>
>To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
><accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 12:38 PM
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Parts and assemblies design
>
>
>  
>
>>Hi Rocky!
>>
>>Yes that was shameless.  But good!
>>
>>I was wondering if you address electronic signatures, and if so, what's
>>    
>>
>your
>  
>
>>approach?
>>
>>Thanks,
>>Dan Waters
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
>>Beach Access Software
>>Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 2:18 PM
>>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>Cc: Tom Hintz
>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Parts and assemblies design
>>
>>Eric:
>>
>>Shameless plug for my manufacturing system.  You can check it out at
>>www.ezmrp.com
>>
>>It will do the structured bills of material that they need.
>>
>>I just added a Capacity Requirements Planning module to the system which
>>does not yet show on the web site however.  In the CRP module you define
>>work centers and then add routings for each assembly - queue time, set up
>>time and unit run time for each operation.  Although it's not part of
>>    
>>
>their
>  
>
>>immediate requirement, as a bonus, the CRP Calculate program will
>>    
>>
>calculate
>  
>
>>how much of each work center's capacity is being used every day.
>>
>>Once they have that database built, since EZMRP is written in Access, and
>>since the back end is wide open, you could easily write a report in their
>>custom format, although E-Z-MRP does have a traveler report which shows
>>    
>>
>the
>  
>
>>start date for each operation based on a specific work order, that work
>>order's due date, and the assembly's lead time and, actually, the report
>>    
>>
>you
>  
>
>>model there looks mostly like an indented bill of materials, which, of
>>course, E-Z-MRP does.
>>
>>Starting with E-Z-MRP's framework might save you a LOT of development
>>    
>>
>time.
>  
>
>>(BTW, the audit trail that it produces on each inventory transaction, to
>>which you can attach a serial or lot number, also goes along way towards
>>satisfying FDA requirements.)
>>
>>If you're interested after checking the web site, please contact me
>>    
>>
>off-line
>  
>
>>at bchacc at san.rr.com and I'll give you a system to evaluate.  Or call if
>>    
>>
>you
>  
>
>>want to talk about it - 858-259-4334.
>>
>>HTH
>>
>>Rocky Smolin
>>Beach Access Software
>>http://www.e-z-mrp.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message ----- 
>>From: "Eric Goetz" <EricGoetz at egisystems.com>
>>To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
>>Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 11:32 AM
>>Subject: [AccessD] Parts and assemblies design
>>
>>
>>Hi,
>>
>>
>>
>>I am working on a database to replace some paper forms. I get the
>>feeling I'm starting more "from scratch" than I need to. So I thought
>>I'd ask if anyone knows of any examples of solutions for the following
>>problem.
>>
>>
>>
>>A medical device manufacturer needs to track all the actions performed
>>on each device as it moves through manufacturing to meet FDA
>>requirements. The forms are called "travelers." The first traveler gets
>>created when the device is built. A new traveler gets created every time
>>the device returns from the field (for upgrade or repair.)
>>
>>
>>
>>The forms show each part with its revision, part number, lot number, or
>>other attribute. There are different attributes for different types of
>>parts. Such as, software has a checksum, and a revision number while a
>>relay has does not. Instead, a relay has a lot number.
>>
>>
>>
>>Here are a couple of my challenges:
>>
>>
>>
>>I am modeling parts and assemblies, where an assembly is also a part. As
>>the devices come back from the field, they may get upgraded with
>>different parts and assemblies so the hierarchy is flexible. There seems
>>to be a many to many relationship between parts and assemblies. So, I
>>made a basic parts table:
>>
>>
>>
>>Part { ID, PartNumber, Name } where ID is the primary key
>>
>>Sample data:
>>
>>{ 1, 26.026, Enclosure }
>>
>>{ 57, 26.002, PCA }
>>
>>{ 113, 26.100, ECA }
>>
>>{ 114, 26.098, Xfrm }
>>
>>{ 115, 26.022, Xfrm }
>>
>>{ 116, 26.021, Xfrm }
>>
>>
>>
>>And I made another table to hold the many to many assignments between
>>parts and assemblies.
>>
>>AssyPartAssignment { ID, AssyID, PartID, Name } where ID is the primary
>>key and AssyID and PartID are foreign keys for the ID in the Part table.
>>
>>Sample data:
>>
>>{ 1, 113, 57, Controller PCA }
>>
>>{ 2, 113, 1, ECA Enclosure }
>>
>>{ 3, 57, 114, Xfrm T1 }
>>
>>{ 4, 57, 115, Xfrm T2 }
>>
>>{ 5, 57, 116, Xfrm T3 }
>>
>>{ 6, 57, 115, Xfrm T4 }
>>
>>
>>
>>The report needs to show this hierarchy.
>>
>>26.100 - ECA
>>
>>  26.026 - ECA Enclosure
>>
>>    26.002 - Controller PCA
>>
>>      26.098 - Xfrm T1
>>
>>      26.022 - Xfrm T2
>>
>>      26.021 - Xfrm T3
>>
>>      26.022 - Xfrm T4
>>
>>
>>
>>The same transformer, 26.022 shows up twice in the PCA assembly.
>>
>>
>>
>>I'll build more tables for the different attributes of parts, such as,
>>software with its checksum, and parts that have only lots, and parts
>>that have revisions and lots. I'll use the ID key from the Part table as
>>the primary key for the subtype tables based on the entity relationship
>>chapter from the CJDate book.
>>
>>
>>
>>I need to make the forms to enter these variable hierarchies.
>>
>>
>>
>>Got any suggestions that might put a little more holiday in my Labor
>>Day?
>>
>>
>>
>>Thanks,
>>
>>
>>
>>Eric
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>-- 
>>_______________________________________________
>>AccessD mailing list
>>AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
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>>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
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>>    
>>
>
>  
>

-- 
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada





From dwaters at usinternet.com  Sun Sep  5 19:14:24 2004
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 19:14:24 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Parts and assemblies design
In-Reply-To: <15599640.1094428169881.JavaMail.root@sniper7.usinternet.com>
Message-ID: <000601c493a6$77855ee0$de1811d8@danwaters>

Marty,

I've talked with the FDA and it turns out that they themselves do not
certify anything related to electronic signatures or records.  The FDA does
certify an individual company's usage of such software or hardware.  

This means that if a company like Alphatrust says that they have been
certified by the FDA, they really mean that they have a customer who has
been certified by the FDA.  

The FDA takes this position because what is good for one company may not be
good for another, and the FDA cannot apply a 'blanket' approval for any
particular mechanism.  They also don't want to be in the position of
limiting progress in the development of such mechanisms by certifying
something, which then becomes the 'only way to go'.

So - software developers like us need to work with our customer's Regulatory
Managers to find out what the company's requirements actually are.  They
will get more difficult as the medical device becomes more complicated or
more important to saving lives or maintaining health.  

Dan Waters


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 5:46 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Parts and assemblies design

This may give you an idea what is involved, It is essentially an 
envelope around the document
with a seal that says it hasn't been modified after signing.

If you are looking for signatures either digital or digitized (mouse or 
stylus) that are FDA approved
try things like Pronto from Alphatrust
http://www.alphatrust.com/products/pronto/desktop.asp
Their other products require IE access to a certificate server at around 
$250 a month.
Getting your own hardware certificate server certified by FDA may start 
to cost you in $10,000 range.


Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software wrote:

>Dan:
>
>I have no shame.
>
>But I also have no electronic signature feature in the system.
>
> The system evolved when I first released it (1985) based on what the
>customers wanted.  So I suppose the first customer who needs electronic
>signatures will get it.  But I have no earthly idea how they work. Yet.
>
>Rocky
>
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Dan Waters" <dwaters at usinternet.com>
>To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
><accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 12:38 PM
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Parts and assemblies design
>
>
>  
>
>>Hi Rocky!
>>
>>Yes that was shameless.  But good!
>>
>>I was wondering if you address electronic signatures, and if so, what's
>>    
>>
>your
>  
>
>>approach?
>>
>>Thanks,
>>Dan Waters
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
>>Beach Access Software
>>Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 2:18 PM
>>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>Cc: Tom Hintz
>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Parts and assemblies design
>>
>>Eric:
>>
>>Shameless plug for my manufacturing system.  You can check it out at
>>www.ezmrp.com
>>
>>It will do the structured bills of material that they need.
>>
>>I just added a Capacity Requirements Planning module to the system which
>>does not yet show on the web site however.  In the CRP module you define
>>work centers and then add routings for each assembly - queue time, set up
>>time and unit run time for each operation.  Although it's not part of
>>    
>>
>their
>  
>
>>immediate requirement, as a bonus, the CRP Calculate program will
>>    
>>
>calculate
>  
>
>>how much of each work center's capacity is being used every day.
>>
>>Once they have that database built, since EZMRP is written in Access, and
>>since the back end is wide open, you could easily write a report in their
>>custom format, although E-Z-MRP does have a traveler report which shows
>>    
>>
>the
>  
>
>>start date for each operation based on a specific work order, that work
>>order's due date, and the assembly's lead time and, actually, the report
>>    
>>
>you
>  
>
>>model there looks mostly like an indented bill of materials, which, of
>>course, E-Z-MRP does.
>>
>>Starting with E-Z-MRP's framework might save you a LOT of development
>>    
>>
>time.
>  
>
>>(BTW, the audit trail that it produces on each inventory transaction, to
>>which you can attach a serial or lot number, also goes along way towards
>>satisfying FDA requirements.)
>>
>>If you're interested after checking the web site, please contact me
>>    
>>
>off-line
>  
>
>>at bchacc at san.rr.com and I'll give you a system to evaluate.  Or call if
>>    
>>
>you
>  
>
>>want to talk about it - 858-259-4334.
>>
>>HTH
>>
>>Rocky Smolin
>>Beach Access Software
>>http://www.e-z-mrp.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message ----- 
>>From: "Eric Goetz" <EricGoetz at egisystems.com>
>>To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
>>Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 11:32 AM
>>Subject: [AccessD] Parts and assemblies design
>>
>>
>>Hi,
>>
>>
>>
>>I am working on a database to replace some paper forms. I get the
>>feeling I'm starting more "from scratch" than I need to. So I thought
>>I'd ask if anyone knows of any examples of solutions for the following
>>problem.
>>
>>
>>
>>A medical device manufacturer needs to track all the actions performed
>>on each device as it moves through manufacturing to meet FDA
>>requirements. The forms are called "travelers." The first traveler gets
>>created when the device is built. A new traveler gets created every time
>>the device returns from the field (for upgrade or repair.)
>>
>>
>>
>>The forms show each part with its revision, part number, lot number, or
>>other attribute. There are different attributes for different types of
>>parts. Such as, software has a checksum, and a revision number while a
>>relay has does not. Instead, a relay has a lot number.
>>
>>
>>
>>Here are a couple of my challenges:
>>
>>
>>
>>I am modeling parts and assemblies, where an assembly is also a part. As
>>the devices come back from the field, they may get upgraded with
>>different parts and assemblies so the hierarchy is flexible. There seems
>>to be a many to many relationship between parts and assemblies. So, I
>>made a basic parts table:
>>
>>
>>
>>Part { ID, PartNumber, Name } where ID is the primary key
>>
>>Sample data:
>>
>>{ 1, 26.026, Enclosure }
>>
>>{ 57, 26.002, PCA }
>>
>>{ 113, 26.100, ECA }
>>
>>{ 114, 26.098, Xfrm }
>>
>>{ 115, 26.022, Xfrm }
>>
>>{ 116, 26.021, Xfrm }
>>
>>
>>
>>And I made another table to hold the many to many assignments between
>>parts and assemblies.
>>
>>AssyPartAssignment { ID, AssyID, PartID, Name } where ID is the primary
>>key and AssyID and PartID are foreign keys for the ID in the Part table.
>>
>>Sample data:
>>
>>{ 1, 113, 57, Controller PCA }
>>
>>{ 2, 113, 1, ECA Enclosure }
>>
>>{ 3, 57, 114, Xfrm T1 }
>>
>>{ 4, 57, 115, Xfrm T2 }
>>
>>{ 5, 57, 116, Xfrm T3 }
>>
>>{ 6, 57, 115, Xfrm T4 }
>>
>>
>>
>>The report needs to show this hierarchy.
>>
>>26.100 - ECA
>>
>>  26.026 - ECA Enclosure
>>
>>    26.002 - Controller PCA
>>
>>      26.098 - Xfrm T1
>>
>>      26.022 - Xfrm T2
>>
>>      26.021 - Xfrm T3
>>
>>      26.022 - Xfrm T4
>>
>>
>>
>>The same transformer, 26.022 shows up twice in the PCA assembly.
>>
>>
>>
>>I'll build more tables for the different attributes of parts, such as,
>>software with its checksum, and parts that have only lots, and parts
>>that have revisions and lots. I'll use the ID key from the Part table as
>>the primary key for the subtype tables based on the entity relationship
>>chapter from the CJDate book.
>>
>>
>>
>>I need to make the forms to enter these variable hierarchies.
>>
>>
>>
>>Got any suggestions that might put a little more holiday in my Labor
>>Day?
>>
>>
>>
>>Thanks,
>>
>>
>>
>>Eric
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>-- 
>>_______________________________________________
>>AccessD mailing list
>>AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>>-- 
>>_______________________________________________
>>AccessD mailing list
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>>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
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>
>  
>

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Canada



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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sun Sep  5 20:23:22 2004
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Mon, 06 Sep 2004 11:23:22 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Keyboard Shortcut for comments
In-Reply-To: <004d01c49365$704cd540$6601a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <413C48AA.6044.A0516E7@lexacorp.com.pg>

On 5 Sep 2004 at 9:28, Rocky Smolin - Beach Access S wrote:

> Dear List:
> 
> On the edit toolbar there are icons for commenting and uncommenting blocks of code.  Is there a keyboard shortcut for these?
> 

No.

You can check by going into the Cutomize dialog for toolbars, selecting 
options and then selecting "Show shortcut keys in screen tips". 

Then hoivering over any shortcut item will show the shortcut key if it 
exists (there are none shown for comment/uncomment)


-- 
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From d.dick at uws.edu.au  Sun Sep  5 22:35:54 2004
From: d.dick at uws.edu.au (Darren DICK)
Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 13:35:54 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] (no subject)
Message-ID: <000b01c493c2$9e41fe00$4a619a89@DDICK>

Hello all
I'm having a little trouble with the syntax of an append SQL string

I am setting a string value in code based on a booking ID 
I want to iterate through all the bookings - get the bookingID
and then Append it to a table.

Pretty basic, but I can never get the correct 'encasing' of the 
coded value right. EG where to use quotes, where to use ampersands etc.
The code snip below is all cool except for the bit in the SQL where it is 
putting the coded value into the relevant field in the table, IE after the
SELECT portion 
of the SQL

Can anyone tidy this up for me?

Many thanks in advance

	
Dim strMyValueAsAString as string

	strMyValueAsAString = Me.BookingID

            appSQL = "INSERT INTO tblMyBookings ( BookingIDFromBookingsTable
) " _
            & "SELECT " & strMyValueAsAString & " FROM tblMyBookings ;"
            
Have a great day

Darren




From clh at christopherhawkins.com  Sun Sep  5 23:05:52 2004
From: clh at christopherhawkins.com (Christopher Hawkins)
Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 22:05:52 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] (no subject)
Message-ID: <13130-220049164552428@christopherhawkins.com>

HI, Darren.

You have a few options.  YOu can try this:
appSQL = "INSERT INTO tblMyBookings ( BookingIDFromBookingsTable
) " _
& "SELECT '" & strMyValueAsAString & "' FROM tblMyBookings ;"

Or this:
appSQL = "INSERT INTO tblMyBookings ( BookingIDFromBookingsTable
) " _
& "SELECT " & Chr(34) & strMyValueAsAString & Chr(34) & " FROM
tblMyBookings ;"

Or, if you feel like writing a variable-wrapping function, even this:

appSQL = "INSERT INTO tblMyBookings ( BookingIDFromBookingsTable
) " _
& "SELECT " & WrapVar(strMyValueAsAString,"text") & " FROM
tblMyBookings ;"



---- Original Message ----
From: d.dick at uws.edu.au
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com, 
Subject: RE: [AccessD] (no subject)
Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 13:35:54 +1000

>Hello all
>I'm having a little trouble with the syntax of an append SQL string
>
>I am setting a string value in code based on a booking ID 
>I want to iterate through all the bookings - get the bookingID
>and then Append it to a table.
>
>Pretty basic, but I can never get the correct 'encasing' of the 
>coded value right. EG where to use quotes, where to use ampersands 
>etc.
>The code snip below is all cool except for the bit in the SQL where 
>it is 
>putting the coded value into the relevant field in the table, IE 
>after the
>SELECT portion 
>of the SQL
>
>Can anyone tidy this up for me?
>
>Many thanks in advance
>
>	
>Dim strMyValueAsAString as string
>
>	strMyValueAsAString = Me.BookingID
>
>            appSQL = "INSERT INTO tblMyBookings ( 
>BookingIDFromBookingsTable
>) " _
>            & "SELECT " & strMyValueAsAString & " FROM tblMyBookings 
>;"
>            
>Have a great day
>
>Darren
>
>
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>
Respectfully,

Christopher Hawkins
Software Developer
(559) 687-7591
http://www.christopherhawkins.com




From d.dick at uws.edu.au  Sun Sep  5 23:27:45 2004
From: d.dick at uws.edu.au (Darren DICK)
Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 14:27:45 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <13130-220049164552428@christopherhawkins.com>
Message-ID: <000e01c493c9$db91c6d0$4a619a89@DDICK>

Chris

Many thanks I took your first option - works great

It was the little apostrophe inside the double quotes I was forgetting

Have a great day

Darren



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Christopher
Hawkins
Sent: Monday, 6 September 2004 2:06 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] (no subject)


HI, Darren.

You have a few options.  YOu can try this:
appSQL = "INSERT INTO tblMyBookings ( BookingIDFromBookingsTable
) " _
& "SELECT '" & strMyValueAsAString & "' FROM tblMyBookings ;"

Or this:
appSQL = "INSERT INTO tblMyBookings ( BookingIDFromBookingsTable
) " _
& "SELECT " & Chr(34) & strMyValueAsAString & Chr(34) & " FROM tblMyBookings
;"

Or, if you feel like writing a variable-wrapping function, even this:

appSQL = "INSERT INTO tblMyBookings ( BookingIDFromBookingsTable
) " _
& "SELECT " & WrapVar(strMyValueAsAString,"text") & " FROM tblMyBookings ;"



---- Original Message ----
From: d.dick at uws.edu.au
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com, 
Subject: RE: [AccessD] (no subject)
Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 13:35:54 +1000

>Hello all
>I'm having a little trouble with the syntax of an append SQL string
>
>I am setting a string value in code based on a booking ID
>I want to iterate through all the bookings - get the bookingID
>and then Append it to a table.
>
>Pretty basic, but I can never get the correct 'encasing' of the
>coded value right. EG where to use quotes, where to use ampersands 
>etc.
>The code snip below is all cool except for the bit in the SQL where 
>it is 
>putting the coded value into the relevant field in the table, IE 
>after the
>SELECT portion 
>of the SQL
>
>Can anyone tidy this up for me?
>
>Many thanks in advance
>
>	
>Dim strMyValueAsAString as string
>
>	strMyValueAsAString = Me.BookingID
>
>            appSQL = "INSERT INTO tblMyBookings (
>BookingIDFromBookingsTable
>) " _
>            & "SELECT " & strMyValueAsAString & " FROM tblMyBookings 
>;"
>            
>Have a great day
>
>Darren
>
>
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>
Respectfully,

Christopher Hawkins
Software Developer
(559) 687-7591
http://www.christopherhawkins.com


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From actebs at actebs.com.au  Sun Sep  5 23:30:30 2004
From: actebs at actebs.com.au (ACTEBS)
Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 14:30:30 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] (no subject)
Message-ID: <2025BB6F17FCB54791F23CD505583328041BA4@starfleet.unknown.local>

Darren,

I wouldn't set it up like this. Try something like this:

    Dim dbs As dao.Database
    Dim rstDataToAppend As dao.Recordset
    Dim rstTableToAppendTo As dao.Recordset
    Dim strSQLDataForAppend As String
    
    strSQLDataForAppend = "SELECT .....Whatever...."

    
    Set dbs = CurrentDB()
    Set rstDataToAppend = dbs.OpenRecordset(strSQLDataForAppend,
dbOpenDynaset)
    Set rstTableToAppendTo = dbs.OpenRecordset("tblYourTableToAppendTo",
dbOpenDynaset)
    
    Do Until rstDataToAppend.EOF
            With rstTableToAppendTo
                .AddNew

                	!Feild1FromTable =
rstDataToAppend!Feild1FromRecordset
                	!Feild2FromTable =
rstDataToAppend!Feild2FromRecordset
			etc etc etc....

                .Update
            End With
        rstDataToAppend.MoveNext
    Loop
    
    rstDataToAppend.Close
    rstTableToAppendTo.Close
    Set rstDataToAppend = Nothing
    Set rstTableToAppendTo = Nothing
    dbs.close
    Set dbs = Nothing

A good idea is to also check whether the recordset has any data before
hand, otheriwse this will throw up an error. Something like:

If rstDataToAppend.Recordcount > 0 then
	Do Until rstDataToAppend.....etc etc etc

HTH
Regards
Vlad


Web: www.actebs.com.au
 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darren DICK
Sent: Monday, 6 September 2004 1:36 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] (no subject)


Hello all
I'm having a little trouble with the syntax of an append SQL string

I am setting a string value in code based on a booking ID 
I want to iterate through all the bookings - get the bookingID and then
Append it to a table.

Pretty basic, but I can never get the correct 'encasing' of the 
coded value right. EG where to use quotes, where to use ampersands etc.
The code snip below is all cool except for the bit in the SQL where it
is 
putting the coded value into the relevant field in the table, IE after
the SELECT portion 
of the SQL

Can anyone tidy this up for me?

Many thanks in advance

	
Dim strMyValueAsAString as string

	strMyValueAsAString = Me.BookingID

            appSQL = "INSERT INTO tblMyBookings (
BookingIDFromBookingsTable
) " _
            & "SELECT " & strMyValueAsAString & " FROM tblMyBookings ;"
            
Have a great day

Darren


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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Mon Sep  6 00:26:20 2004
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 22:26:20 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Parts and assemblies design
References: <000e01c4937f$dc74ac60$de1811d8@danwaters>
	<00cc01c49383$b1c3e220$6601a8c0@HAL9002> <413B9719.2010207@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <012901c493d2$0b17c960$6601a8c0@HAL9002>

Hope I don't need it soon.  But if I do - you're the man.

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "MartyConnelly" <martyconnelly at shaw.ca>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 3:45 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Parts and assemblies design


> This may give you an idea what is involved, It is essentially an
> envelope around the document
> with a seal that says it hasn't been modified after signing.
>
> If you are looking for signatures either digital or digitized (mouse or
> stylus) that are FDA approved
> try things like Pronto from Alphatrust
> http://www.alphatrust.com/products/pronto/desktop.asp
> Their other products require IE access to a certificate server at around
> $250 a month.
> Getting your own hardware certificate server certified by FDA may start
> to cost you in $10,000 range.
>
>
> Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software wrote:
>
> >Dan:
> >
> >I have no shame.
> >
> >But I also have no electronic signature feature in the system.
> >
> > The system evolved when I first released it (1985) based on what the
> >customers wanted.  So I suppose the first customer who needs electronic
> >signatures will get it.  But I have no earthly idea how they work. Yet.
> >
> >Rocky
> >
> >----- Original Message ----- 
> >From: "Dan Waters" <dwaters at usinternet.com>
> >To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> ><accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> >Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 12:38 PM
> >Subject: RE: [AccessD] Parts and assemblies design
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>Hi Rocky!
> >>
> >>Yes that was shameless.  But good!
> >>
> >>I was wondering if you address electronic signatures, and if so, what's
> >>
> >>
> >your
> >
> >
> >>approach?
> >>
> >>Thanks,
> >>Dan Waters
> >>
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> >>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky
Smolin -
> >>Beach Access Software
> >>Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 2:18 PM
> >>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> >>Cc: Tom Hintz
> >>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Parts and assemblies design
> >>
> >>Eric:
> >>
> >>Shameless plug for my manufacturing system.  You can check it out at
> >>www.ezmrp.com
> >>
> >>It will do the structured bills of material that they need.
> >>
> >>I just added a Capacity Requirements Planning module to the system which
> >>does not yet show on the web site however.  In the CRP module you define
> >>work centers and then add routings for each assembly - queue time, set
up
> >>time and unit run time for each operation.  Although it's not part of
> >>
> >>
> >their
> >
> >
> >>immediate requirement, as a bonus, the CRP Calculate program will
> >>
> >>
> >calculate
> >
> >
> >>how much of each work center's capacity is being used every day.
> >>
> >>Once they have that database built, since EZMRP is written in Access,
and
> >>since the back end is wide open, you could easily write a report in
their
> >>custom format, although E-Z-MRP does have a traveler report which shows
> >>
> >>
> >the
> >
> >
> >>start date for each operation based on a specific work order, that work
> >>order's due date, and the assembly's lead time and, actually, the report
> >>
> >>
> >you
> >
> >
> >>model there looks mostly like an indented bill of materials, which, of
> >>course, E-Z-MRP does.
> >>
> >>Starting with E-Z-MRP's framework might save you a LOT of development
> >>
> >>
> >time.
> >
> >
> >>(BTW, the audit trail that it produces on each inventory transaction, to
> >>which you can attach a serial or lot number, also goes along way towards
> >>satisfying FDA requirements.)
> >>
> >>If you're interested after checking the web site, please contact me
> >>
> >>
> >off-line
> >
> >
> >>at bchacc at san.rr.com and I'll give you a system to evaluate.  Or call if
> >>
> >>
> >you
> >
> >
> >>want to talk about it - 858-259-4334.
> >>
> >>HTH
> >>
> >>Rocky Smolin
> >>Beach Access Software
> >>http://www.e-z-mrp.com
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>----- Original Message ----- 
> >>From: "Eric Goetz" <EricGoetz at egisystems.com>
> >>To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> >>Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 11:32 AM
> >>Subject: [AccessD] Parts and assemblies design
> >>
> >>
> >>Hi,
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>I am working on a database to replace some paper forms. I get the
> >>feeling I'm starting more "from scratch" than I need to. So I thought
> >>I'd ask if anyone knows of any examples of solutions for the following
> >>problem.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>A medical device manufacturer needs to track all the actions performed
> >>on each device as it moves through manufacturing to meet FDA
> >>requirements. The forms are called "travelers." The first traveler gets
> >>created when the device is built. A new traveler gets created every time
> >>the device returns from the field (for upgrade or repair.)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>The forms show each part with its revision, part number, lot number, or
> >>other attribute. There are different attributes for different types of
> >>parts. Such as, software has a checksum, and a revision number while a
> >>relay has does not. Instead, a relay has a lot number.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>Here are a couple of my challenges:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>I am modeling parts and assemblies, where an assembly is also a part. As
> >>the devices come back from the field, they may get upgraded with
> >>different parts and assemblies so the hierarchy is flexible. There seems
> >>to be a many to many relationship between parts and assemblies. So, I
> >>made a basic parts table:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>Part { ID, PartNumber, Name } where ID is the primary key
> >>
> >>Sample data:
> >>
> >>{ 1, 26.026, Enclosure }
> >>
> >>{ 57, 26.002, PCA }
> >>
> >>{ 113, 26.100, ECA }
> >>
> >>{ 114, 26.098, Xfrm }
> >>
> >>{ 115, 26.022, Xfrm }
> >>
> >>{ 116, 26.021, Xfrm }
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>And I made another table to hold the many to many assignments between
> >>parts and assemblies.
> >>
> >>AssyPartAssignment { ID, AssyID, PartID, Name } where ID is the primary
> >>key and AssyID and PartID are foreign keys for the ID in the Part table.
> >>
> >>Sample data:
> >>
> >>{ 1, 113, 57, Controller PCA }
> >>
> >>{ 2, 113, 1, ECA Enclosure }
> >>
> >>{ 3, 57, 114, Xfrm T1 }
> >>
> >>{ 4, 57, 115, Xfrm T2 }
> >>
> >>{ 5, 57, 116, Xfrm T3 }
> >>
> >>{ 6, 57, 115, Xfrm T4 }
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>The report needs to show this hierarchy.
> >>
> >>26.100 - ECA
> >>
> >>  26.026 - ECA Enclosure
> >>
> >>    26.002 - Controller PCA
> >>
> >>      26.098 - Xfrm T1
> >>
> >>      26.022 - Xfrm T2
> >>
> >>      26.021 - Xfrm T3
> >>
> >>      26.022 - Xfrm T4
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>The same transformer, 26.022 shows up twice in the PCA assembly.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>I'll build more tables for the different attributes of parts, such as,
> >>software with its checksum, and parts that have only lots, and parts
> >>that have revisions and lots. I'll use the ID key from the Part table as
> >>the primary key for the subtype tables based on the entity relationship
> >>chapter from the CJDate book.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>I need to make the forms to enter these variable hierarchies.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>Got any suggestions that might put a little more holiday in my Labor
> >>Day?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>Thanks,
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>Eric
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>-- 
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> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
>
> -- 
> Marty Connelly
> Victoria, B.C.
> Canada
>
>
>
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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Mon Sep  6 00:27:28 2004
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 22:27:28 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Keyboard Shortcut for comments
References: <413C48AA.6044.A0516E7@lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <013101c493d2$33406550$6601a8c0@HAL9002>

Rats.  Another cluttery toolbar.

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Stuart McLachlan" <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 6:23 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Keyboard Shortcut for comments


> On 5 Sep 2004 at 9:28, Rocky Smolin - Beach Access S wrote:
>
> > Dear List:
> >
> > On the edit toolbar there are icons for commenting and uncommenting
blocks of code.  Is there a keyboard shortcut for these?
> >
>
> No.
>
> You can check by going into the Cutomize dialog for toolbars, selecting
> options and then selecting "Show shortcut keys in screen tips".
>
> Then hoivering over any shortcut item will show the shortcut key if it
> exists (there are none shown for comment/uncomment)
>
>
> -- 
> Stuart
>
>
> -- 
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>



From d.dick at uws.edu.au  Mon Sep  6 01:59:40 2004
From: d.dick at uws.edu.au (Darren DICK)
Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 16:59:40 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <2025BB6F17FCB54791F23CD505583328041BA4@starfleet.unknown.local>
Message-ID: <000001c493df$153f3330$4a619a89@DDICK>

Hi Vlad
Many thanks this is cool

Have a great day

Darren



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of ACTEBS
Sent: Monday, 6 September 2004 2:31 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] (no subject)


Darren,

I wouldn't set it up like this. Try something like this:

    Dim dbs As dao.Database
    Dim rstDataToAppend As dao.Recordset
    Dim rstTableToAppendTo As dao.Recordset
    Dim strSQLDataForAppend As String
    
    strSQLDataForAppend = "SELECT .....Whatever...."

    
    Set dbs = CurrentDB()
    Set rstDataToAppend = dbs.OpenRecordset(strSQLDataForAppend,
dbOpenDynaset)
    Set rstTableToAppendTo = dbs.OpenRecordset("tblYourTableToAppendTo",
dbOpenDynaset)
    
    Do Until rstDataToAppend.EOF
            With rstTableToAppendTo
                .AddNew

                	!Feild1FromTable =
rstDataToAppend!Feild1FromRecordset
                	!Feild2FromTable =
rstDataToAppend!Feild2FromRecordset
			etc etc etc....

                .Update
            End With
        rstDataToAppend.MoveNext
    Loop
    
    rstDataToAppend.Close
    rstTableToAppendTo.Close
    Set rstDataToAppend = Nothing
    Set rstTableToAppendTo = Nothing
    dbs.close
    Set dbs = Nothing

A good idea is to also check whether the recordset has any data before hand,
otheriwse this will throw up an error. Something like:

If rstDataToAppend.Recordcount > 0 then
	Do Until rstDataToAppend.....etc etc etc

HTH
Regards
Vlad


Web: www.actebs.com.au
 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darren DICK
Sent: Monday, 6 September 2004 1:36 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] (no subject)


Hello all
I'm having a little trouble with the syntax of an append SQL string

I am setting a string value in code based on a booking ID 
I want to iterate through all the bookings - get the bookingID and then
Append it to a table.

Pretty basic, but I can never get the correct 'encasing' of the 
coded value right. EG where to use quotes, where to use ampersands etc. The
code snip below is all cool except for the bit in the SQL where it is 
putting the coded value into the relevant field in the table, IE after the
SELECT portion 
of the SQL

Can anyone tidy this up for me?

Many thanks in advance

	
Dim strMyValueAsAString as string

	strMyValueAsAString = Me.BookingID

            appSQL = "INSERT INTO tblMyBookings ( BookingIDFromBookingsTable
) " _
            & "SELECT " & strMyValueAsAString & " FROM tblMyBookings ;"
            
Have a great day

Darren


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From Paul.Rogers at SummitMedia.co.uk  Mon Sep  6 05:39:05 2004
From: Paul.Rogers at SummitMedia.co.uk (Paul Rodgers)
Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 11:39:05 +0100 
Subject: [AccessD] Open a  form from a different db
Message-ID: <EAF3070ACB1AD81182280002A51EF7311921F9@s003.wolds.summitmedia.co.uk>

Many thanks, Alun, very helpful. All the best
paul 


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Sent: 05 September 2004 23:19
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Open a form from a different db


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From adtp at touchtelindia.net  Mon Sep  6 08:52:17 2004
From: adtp at touchtelindia.net (A.D.Tejpal)
Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 19:22:17 +0530
Subject: [AccessD] Determine current page number of report in preview
References: <225449706.20040902101059@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <002301c49418$f3b248d0$d01865cb@winxp>

Gustav,

    It is observed that events generated by a report opened in preview mode, get exhausted in the first forward pass through its pages. 

    As a result, in case of any subsequent navigation through the pages already covered, there is no more firing of any event at all. Values pertaining to Page and CurrentRecord properties of the report remain stuck at the highest value touched (even if the page now being viewed is a lower one in the sequence).

    In view of the above, any attempt to obtain the current page number (in subsequent passes) from code within the report's module, gets vitiated on account of non-availability of any event that could activate such code.

    If your situation permits use of code attached to a form, a solution could be worked out, adopting either of the following approaches -
    (a) Combination of SendKeys method along with API calls. It is based upon the feature that pressing F5 key in the report preview window selects the contents of page counter window at bottom left.
    (b) Avoiding use of SendKeys by using additional API calls.

    (In case of (a), the code involved is relatively simple, while (b) might need very bulky & tedious code)

    I can send you a sample db demonstrating a solution of type (a) above. Your eMail address to be used for this purpose, may please be advised.

    If you are keen to evolve a solution of type (b) above, you could get some working ideas from the function  fTurnPage()  at Stephan Leban's site.

Regards,
A.D.Tejpal
--------------

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Gustav Brock 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
  Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 13:40
  Subject: [AccessD] Determine current page number of report in preview


  Hi all (Drew?)

  How do you catch the current page in preview?

  Access caches pages while you are browsing forward.
  Fine, but if the user moves (browses) backwards, the Page property stays on the highest number even though the preview displays the correct lower page number.

  I guess the only chance would be to catch the current page number from the status line of the preview window but I don't know if that is possible.

  /gustav



From dwaters at usinternet.com  Mon Sep  6 09:40:23 2004
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 09:40:23 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] FW: Parts and assemblies design
Message-ID: <000901c4941f$712fc6b0$de1811d8@danwaters>


Marty,

I've talked with the FDA and it turns out that they themselves do not
certify anything related to electronic signatures or records.  The FDA does
certify an individual company's usage of such software or hardware.  

This means that if a company like Alphatrust says that they have been
certified by the FDA, they really mean that they have a customer who has
been certified by the FDA.  

The FDA takes this position because what is good for one company may not be
good for another, and the FDA cannot apply a 'blanket' approval for any
particular mechanism.  They also don't want to be in the position of
limiting progress in the development of such mechanisms by certifying
something, which then becomes the 'only way to go'.

So - software developers like us need to work with our customer's Regulatory
Managers to find out what the company's requirements actually are.  They
will get more difficult as the medical device becomes more complicated or
more important to saving lives or maintaining health.  

Dan Waters


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 5:46 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Parts and assemblies design

This may give you an idea what is involved, It is essentially an 
envelope around the document
with a seal that says it hasn't been modified after signing.

If you are looking for signatures either digital or digitized (mouse or 
stylus) that are FDA approved
try things like Pronto from Alphatrust
http://www.alphatrust.com/products/pronto/desktop.asp
Their other products require IE access to a certificate server at around 
$250 a month.
Getting your own hardware certificate server certified by FDA may start 
to cost you in $10,000 range.


Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software wrote:

>Dan:
>
>I have no shame.
>
>But I also have no electronic signature feature in the system.
>
> The system evolved when I first released it (1985) based on what the
>customers wanted.  So I suppose the first customer who needs electronic
>signatures will get it.  But I have no earthly idea how they work. Yet.
>
>Rocky
>
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Dan Waters" <dwaters at usinternet.com>
>To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
><accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 12:38 PM
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Parts and assemblies design
>
>
>  
>
>>Hi Rocky!
>>
>>Yes that was shameless.  But good!
>>
>>I was wondering if you address electronic signatures, and if so, what's
>>    
>>
>your
>  
>
>>approach?
>>
>>Thanks,
>>Dan Waters
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
>>Beach Access Software
>>Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 2:18 PM
>>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>Cc: Tom Hintz
>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Parts and assemblies design
>>
>>Eric:
>>
>>Shameless plug for my manufacturing system.  You can check it out at
>>www.ezmrp.com
>>
>>It will do the structured bills of material that they need.
>>
>>I just added a Capacity Requirements Planning module to the system which
>>does not yet show on the web site however.  In the CRP module you define
>>work centers and then add routings for each assembly - queue time, set up
>>time and unit run time for each operation.  Although it's not part of
>>    
>>
>their
>  
>
>>immediate requirement, as a bonus, the CRP Calculate program will
>>    
>>
>calculate
>  
>
>>how much of each work center's capacity is being used every day.
>>
>>Once they have that database built, since EZMRP is written in Access, and
>>since the back end is wide open, you could easily write a report in their
>>custom format, although E-Z-MRP does have a traveler report which shows
>>    
>>
>the
>  
>
>>start date for each operation based on a specific work order, that work
>>order's due date, and the assembly's lead time and, actually, the report
>>    
>>
>you
>  
>
>>model there looks mostly like an indented bill of materials, which, of
>>course, E-Z-MRP does.
>>
>>Starting with E-Z-MRP's framework might save you a LOT of development
>>    
>>
>time.
>  
>
>>(BTW, the audit trail that it produces on each inventory transaction, to
>>which you can attach a serial or lot number, also goes along way towards
>>satisfying FDA requirements.)
>>
>>If you're interested after checking the web site, please contact me
>>    
>>
>off-line
>  
>
>>at bchacc at san.rr.com and I'll give you a system to evaluate.  Or call if
>>    
>>
>you
>  
>
>>want to talk about it - 858-259-4334.
>>
>>HTH
>>
>>Rocky Smolin
>>Beach Access Software
>>http://www.e-z-mrp.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message ----- 
>>From: "Eric Goetz" <EricGoetz at egisystems.com>
>>To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
>>Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 11:32 AM
>>Subject: [AccessD] Parts and assemblies design
>>
>>
>>Hi,
>>
>>
>>
>>I am working on a database to replace some paper forms. I get the
>>feeling I'm starting more "from scratch" than I need to. So I thought
>>I'd ask if anyone knows of any examples of solutions for the following
>>problem.
>>
>>
>>
>>A medical device manufacturer needs to track all the actions performed
>>on each device as it moves through manufacturing to meet FDA
>>requirements. The forms are called "travelers." The first traveler gets
>>created when the device is built. A new traveler gets created every time
>>the device returns from the field (for upgrade or repair.)
>>
>>
>>
>>The forms show each part with its revision, part number, lot number, or
>>other attribute. There are different attributes for different types of
>>parts. Such as, software has a checksum, and a revision number while a
>>relay has does not. Instead, a relay has a lot number.
>>
>>
>>
>>Here are a couple of my challenges:
>>
>>
>>
>>I am modeling parts and assemblies, where an assembly is also a part. As
>>the devices come back from the field, they may get upgraded with
>>different parts and assemblies so the hierarchy is flexible. There seems
>>to be a many to many relationship between parts and assemblies. So, I
>>made a basic parts table:
>>
>>
>>
>>Part { ID, PartNumber, Name } where ID is the primary key
>>
>>Sample data:
>>
>>{ 1, 26.026, Enclosure }
>>
>>{ 57, 26.002, PCA }
>>
>>{ 113, 26.100, ECA }
>>
>>{ 114, 26.098, Xfrm }
>>
>>{ 115, 26.022, Xfrm }
>>
>>{ 116, 26.021, Xfrm }
>>
>>
>>
>>And I made another table to hold the many to many assignments between
>>parts and assemblies.
>>
>>AssyPartAssignment { ID, AssyID, PartID, Name } where ID is the primary
>>key and AssyID and PartID are foreign keys for the ID in the Part table.
>>
>>Sample data:
>>
>>{ 1, 113, 57, Controller PCA }
>>
>>{ 2, 113, 1, ECA Enclosure }
>>
>>{ 3, 57, 114, Xfrm T1 }
>>
>>{ 4, 57, 115, Xfrm T2 }
>>
>>{ 5, 57, 116, Xfrm T3 }
>>
>>{ 6, 57, 115, Xfrm T4 }
>>
>>
>>
>>The report needs to show this hierarchy.
>>
>>26.100 - ECA
>>
>>  26.026 - ECA Enclosure
>>
>>    26.002 - Controller PCA
>>
>>      26.098 - Xfrm T1
>>
>>      26.022 - Xfrm T2
>>
>>      26.021 - Xfrm T3
>>
>>      26.022 - Xfrm T4
>>
>>
>>
>>The same transformer, 26.022 shows up twice in the PCA assembly.
>>
>>
>>
>>I'll build more tables for the different attributes of parts, such as,
>>software with its checksum, and parts that have only lots, and parts
>>that have revisions and lots. I'll use the ID key from the Part table as
>>the primary key for the subtype tables based on the entity relationship
>>chapter from the CJDate book.
>>
>>
>>
>>I need to make the forms to enter these variable hierarchies.
>>
>>
>>
>>Got any suggestions that might put a little more holiday in my Labor
>>Day?
>>
>>
>>
>>Thanks,
>>
>>
>>
>>Eric
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>
>  
>

-- 
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Victoria, B.C.
Canada



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From lister at actuarial-files.com  Mon Sep  6 09:45:50 2004
From: lister at actuarial-files.com (Ralf Lister)
Date: Mon, 06 Sep 2004 14:45:50 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Public Array
Message-ID: <000a01c47bc4$0512c860$7abc3ac8@ralf>

Hello,

In the Declaration section of a form module frmName I declared an array with "Public Container(9) As String". I understood that I have now an Array of 9 String fields. But it doesn't seem to be this way.
When I make something like "Container3 = Forms!frmName.Container(3)" in a different form Access gives me an Error Message (# 2465)

Can somebody help?

TIA

Saludos de Bolivia
Ralf


From gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Sep  6 10:19:56 2004
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 17:19:56 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Public Array
In-Reply-To: <000a01c47bc4$0512c860$7abc3ac8@ralf>
References: <000a01c47bc4$0512c860$7abc3ac8@ralf>
Message-ID: <5330057890.20040906171956@cactus.dk>

Hi Ralf

It would be

Container3 = Container(3)

But Container is a reserved word. Pick another.

/gustav


> In the Declaration section of a form module frmName I declared an array with "Public Container(9) As String". I understood that I have now an Array of 9 String fields. But it doesn't seem to be
> this way.
> When I make something like "Container3 = Forms!frmName.Container(3)" in a different form Access gives me an Error Message (# 2465)



From Subscriptions at servicexp.com  Mon Sep  6 16:51:59 2004
From: Subscriptions at servicexp.com (Robert Gracie)
Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 17:51:59 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Remove Beginning & Ending Quotes of a string
In-Reply-To: <5330057890.20040906171956@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <GPEGJHKJCEPGJIEIOEOOGEEOEBAA.Subscriptions@servicexp.com>


Example "This is a "Fine" Day we are having to day"

I need to remove only the first and last quotes.

   This is a "Fine" Day we are having to day

Robert Gracie
www.servicexp.com



From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Mon Sep  6 17:17:59 2004
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2004 08:17:59 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Remove Beginning & Ending Quotes of a string
In-Reply-To: <GPEGJHKJCEPGJIEIOEOOGEEOEBAA.Subscriptions@servicexp.com>
References: <5330057890.20040906171956@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <413D6EB7.24092.E81BB93@lexacorp.com.pg>

On 6 Sep 2004 at 17:51, Robert Gracie wrote:

> 
> Example "This is a "Fine" Day we are having to day"
> 
> I need to remove only the first and last quotes.
> 
>    This is a "Fine" Day we are having to day
> 

Mid$(myString,2,Len(myString)-2) will drop the first and last character, 
whatever they are.


-- 
Stuart




From Subscriptions at servicexp.com  Mon Sep  6 17:27:37 2004
From: Subscriptions at servicexp.com (Robert Gracie)
Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 18:27:37 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Remove Beginning & Ending Quotes of a string
In-Reply-To: <413D6EB7.24092.E81BB93@lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <GPEGJHKJCEPGJIEIOEOOOEEOEBAA.Subscriptions@servicexp.com>

Thanks Stuart, much cleaner then mine... :-)

Private Function ClearQuoutes(ByVal SData As String) As String
Dim strTemp As String
Dim lngLen  As Integer
lngLen = Len(SData)
    If Left(SData, 1) = """" Then
       strTemp = Left(SData, (lngLen - 1))
       strTemp = Right(strTemp, lngLen - 2)
       ClearQuoutes = strTemp
    Else
    ClearQuoutes = SData
    End If
End Function


Robert Gracie
www.servicexp.com
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Stuart
McLachlan
Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 6:18 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Remove Beginning & Ending Quotes of a string


On 6 Sep 2004 at 17:51, Robert Gracie wrote:

> 
> Example "This is a "Fine" Day we are having to day"
> 
> I need to remove only the first and last quotes.
> 
>    This is a "Fine" Day we are having to day
> 

Mid$(myString,2,Len(myString)-2) will drop the first and last character, 
whatever they are.


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From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Sep  6 17:16:03 2004
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence (AccessD))
Date: Mon, 06 Sep 2004 15:16:03 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Remove Beginning & Ending Quotes of a string
In-Reply-To: <GPEGJHKJCEPGJIEIOEOOGEEOEBAA.Subscriptions@servicexp.com>
Message-ID: <FJEJLIPOMCGJALMGLLLIEEGHCGAA.accessd@shaw.ca>

Hi Robert:

Something like:

strSentence = ""This is a "Fine" Day we are having to day""
if left(strSentence,1) = chr(34) then strSentence = mid(2,strSentence)
if right(strSentence,1) = chr(34) then strSentence = left(strSentence,
len(strSentence)-1)

...and that should take care of whether there is a """ or not at the
beginning or end as well.

HTH
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Robert Gracie
Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 2:52 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Remove Beginning & Ending Quotes of a string



Example "This is a "Fine" Day we are having to day"

I need to remove only the first and last quotes.

   This is a "Fine" Day we are having to day

Robert Gracie
www.servicexp.com

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From clh at christopherhawkins.com  Mon Sep  6 19:16:52 2004
From: clh at christopherhawkins.com (Christopher Hawkins)
Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 18:16:52 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Looping through TableDef.Fields
Message-ID: <73950-2200492701652977@christopherhawkins.com>

I've done this a thousand time.  But right now, I'm full of codeine
(broke a toe 30 minutes ago) and cannot think worth squat.
 
Why will this code not work?  THe error-causing line is indicated by
a --->

[code]
Public Sub GetTableInfo(sTableName As String)

Dim db As DAO.Database
Dim td As DAO.TableDef
Dim sSQL As String
Dim fld As DAO.Field

On Error GoTo Err_GetTableInfo

    Set db = CurrentDb()
    
    Set td = CurrentDb.TableDefs(sTableName)
    --->For Each fld In td
        CurrentProject.Connection.Execute "INSERT INTO zTable
(TableName, FieldName, Alias, SortOrder) VALUES ('" & sTableName &
"', '" & fld.Name & "', '" & fld.Name & "', 0)"
    Next fld
    
Exit_GetTableInfo:
    Exit Sub

Err_GetTableInfo:
    MsgBox Err.Description
    Resume Exit_GetTableInfo
End Sub
[/code]

The marked line causes an "Operation is not supported for this type
of object" error.

Why?

Respectfully,

Christopher Hawkins
Software Developer
(559) 687-7591
http://www.christopherhawkins.com




From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Sep  6 20:28:13 2004
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Mon, 06 Sep 2004 21:28:13 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Looping through TableDef.Fields
In-Reply-To: <73950-2200492701652977@christopherhawkins.com>
Message-ID: <000001c49479$f15771d0$80b3fea9@ColbyM6805>

For Each fld In td.Fields

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Christopher
Hawkins
Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 8:17 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Looping through TableDef.Fields


I've done this a thousand time.  But right now, I'm full of codeine (broke a
toe 30 minutes ago) and cannot think worth squat.
 
Why will this code not work?  THe error-causing line is indicated by a --->

[code]
Public Sub GetTableInfo(sTableName As String)

Dim db As DAO.Database
Dim td As DAO.TableDef
Dim sSQL As String
Dim fld As DAO.Field

On Error GoTo Err_GetTableInfo

    Set db = CurrentDb()
    
    Set td = CurrentDb.TableDefs(sTableName)
    --->For Each fld In td
        CurrentProject.Connection.Execute "INSERT INTO zTable (TableName,
FieldName, Alias, SortOrder) VALUES ('" & sTableName & "', '" & fld.Name &
"', '" & fld.Name & "', 0)"
    Next fld
    
Exit_GetTableInfo:
    Exit Sub

Err_GetTableInfo:
    MsgBox Err.Description
    Resume Exit_GetTableInfo
End Sub
[/code]

The marked line causes an "Operation is not supported for this type of
object" error.

Why?

Respectfully,

Christopher Hawkins
Software Developer
(559) 687-7591
http://www.christopherhawkins.com


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From Paul at PStrauss.net  Mon Sep  6 21:00:44 2004
From: Paul at PStrauss.net (Paul Strauss)
Date: Mon, 06 Sep 2004 22:00:44 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <2025BB6F17FCB54791F23CD505583328041BA4@starfleet.unknown.l ocal>
References: <2025BB6F17FCB54791F23CD505583328041BA4@starfleet.unknown.local>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20040906214116.021d7a30@mail.pstrauss.net>

At 9/6/2004 12:30 AM, you wrote:
>Darren,
>
>I wouldn't set it up like this. Try something like this:
>
>     Dim dbs As dao.Database
>     Dim rstDataToAppend As dao.Recordset
>     Dim rstTableToAppendTo As dao.Recordset
>     Dim strSQLDataForAppend As String
>
>     strSQLDataForAppend = "SELECT .....Whatever...."
>
>
>     Set dbs = CurrentDB()
>     Set rstDataToAppend = dbs.OpenRecordset(strSQLDataForAppend,
>dbOpenDynaset)
>     Set rstTableToAppendTo = dbs.OpenRecordset("tblYourTableToAppendTo",
>dbOpenDynaset)
>    ...snip...

Any time you can do table manipulations with SQL, rather that DAO, you 
should choose SQL. DAO is much slower than doing it with SQL. Sure, there 
are times when only DAO will do, so I am not saying never, but I would 
always strive to use SQL.

If the task at hand is to eat a handful of M&M's, there are two ways to do 
it 1) one-by-one and 2) shove them all in your mouth and chew. Access can 
chew up the mouthful and swallow it much faster than it can eat them one at 
a time. That's just the way it has been built and optimized.

>A good idea is to also check whether the recordset has any data before
>hand, otheriwse this will throw up an error.
>...snip...

I agree it a good idea. I've never seemed to need to append from one table 
to another using a Select inside the Insert, so I am not sure what would 
happen if the Select didn't return any rows. If it returns a trappable 
error, then I'd just attempt the Insert and handle this case in the error 
handler. That would be the fastest way to do it. If a trappable error isn't 
returned, then opening a recordset with  "Select Count(*) ..." and checking 
that at least one row is returned before doing the Insert would still be 
faster than doing it the DAO way in a loop. It may also be the case that 
nothing harmful happens (it is a null operation) and so you don't have to 
worry. But since you want to do it, and I don't, I'll let you figure out as 
a "homework" assignment what happens :). Unless I were sure that I always 
had something to append, I'd lose a good bit a sleep wondering if this 
would cause my program to blow up. Since I need my sleep, I'd test it.


Regards,
Paul Strauss


----------


From d.dick at uws.edu.au  Mon Sep  6 21:16:16 2004
From: d.dick at uws.edu.au (Darren DICK)
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 12:16:16 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20040906214116.021d7a30@mail.pstrauss.net>
Message-ID: <000901c49480$a810e220$4a619a89@DDICK>

Thanks Paul

I really appreciate the advice

Have a great day

Darren



-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Tuesday, 7 September 2004 12:01 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] (no subject)


At 9/6/2004 12:30 AM, you wrote:
>Darren,
>
>I wouldn't set it up like this. Try something like this:
>
>     Dim dbs As dao.Database
>     Dim rstDataToAppend As dao.Recordset
>     Dim rstTableToAppendTo As dao.Recordset
>     Dim strSQLDataForAppend As String
>
>     strSQLDataForAppend = "SELECT .....Whatever...."
>
>
>     Set dbs = CurrentDB()
>     Set rstDataToAppend = dbs.OpenRecordset(strSQLDataForAppend,
>dbOpenDynaset)
>     Set rstTableToAppendTo = 
>dbs.OpenRecordset("tblYourTableToAppendTo",
>dbOpenDynaset)
>    ...snip...

Any time you can do table manipulations with SQL, rather that DAO, you 
should choose SQL. DAO is much slower than doing it with SQL. Sure, there 
are times when only DAO will do, so I am not saying never, but I would 
always strive to use SQL.

If the task at hand is to eat a handful of M&M's, there are two ways to do 
it 1) one-by-one and 2) shove them all in your mouth and chew. Access can 
chew up the mouthful and swallow it much faster than it can eat them one at 
a time. That's just the way it has been built and optimized.

>A good idea is to also check whether the recordset has any data before 
>hand, otheriwse this will throw up an error. ...snip...

I agree it a good idea. I've never seemed to need to append from one table 
to another using a Select inside the Insert, so I am not sure what would 
happen if the Select didn't return any rows. If it returns a trappable 
error, then I'd just attempt the Insert and handle this case in the error 
handler. That would be the fastest way to do it. If a trappable error isn't 
returned, then opening a recordset with  "Select Count(*) ..." and checking 
that at least one row is returned before doing the Insert would still be 
faster than doing it the DAO way in a loop. It may also be the case that 
nothing harmful happens (it is a null operation) and so you don't have to 
worry. But since you want to do it, and I don't, I'll let you figure out as 
a "homework" assignment what happens :). Unless I were sure that I always 
had something to append, I'd lose a good bit a sleep wondering if this 
would cause my program to blow up. Since I need my sleep, I'd test it.


Regards,
Paul Strauss


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From Developer at UltraDNT.com  Mon Sep  6 22:07:37 2004
From: Developer at UltraDNT.com (Steve Conklin (Developer@UltraDNT))
Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 23:07:37 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Keyboard Shortcut for comments
In-Reply-To: <013101c493d2$33406550$6601a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <003201c49487$d4a81ea0$0200a8c0@COA3>

But you can customize this, and create a keydb shortcut for it.  While
in "customize" mode for toolbars, make it show Image and Text, or Text
Only, then edit the text, and put an ampersand in front of the character
you want to be the accelerator key.

Steve


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
- Beach Access Software
Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 1:27 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Keyboard Shortcut for comments


Rats.  Another cluttery toolbar.

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Stuart McLachlan" <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 6:23 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Keyboard Shortcut for comments


> On 5 Sep 2004 at 9:28, Rocky Smolin - Beach Access S wrote:
>
> > Dear List:
> >
> > On the edit toolbar there are icons for commenting and uncommenting
blocks of code.  Is there a keyboard shortcut for these?
> >
>
> No.
>
> You can check by going into the Cutomize dialog for toolbars, 
> selecting options and then selecting "Show shortcut keys in screen 
> tips".
>
> Then hoivering over any shortcut item will show the shortcut key if it

> exists (there are none shown for comment/uncomment)
>
>
> --
> Stuart
>
>
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Tue Sep  7 00:31:09 2004
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (DWUTKA at marlow.com)
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 00:31:09 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] Can you Raid
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8031BB33B@main2.marlow.com>

Yes, but Read 0 (mirror) needs a Server OS (not sure if XP can do it, but
Win2k Pro cannot create a mirror, only Win2k Server).

Drew

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2004 12:17 PM
To: AccessD; Tech - Database Advisors Inc.
Subject: [AccessD] Can you Raid


Does anyone know if you can use Windows built-in raid capability to set up a
raid 1 (mirror) then break the raid and move the mirror to another identical
machine as the boot drive?  I have a pair of MSI k8n Neo motherboards that I
purchased.  I have a pair of 80 gb samsung drives in one machine that I have
just finished setting up.  I need to create an image of that setup and move
that image to the other machine.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


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From d.dick at uws.edu.au  Tue Sep  7 01:26:09 2004
From: d.dick at uws.edu.au (Darren DICK)
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 16:26:09 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Another Recordset Syntax Q
Message-ID: <001701c494a3$90d0f550$4a619a89@DDICK>

Hello all
Another recordset syntax question
One day I'll get it < sigh >

The code below does what it is supposed to do except move to the next site
name in the recordset
WHAT I WANT...
I expect the Message box to spit up SiteName1 then I expect another message
box: SiteName 2 then another 
Until all the SiteNames in the Recordset are iterated and displayed in
sequential message boxes

Problem is I get 5 message boxes (There's 5 site sin the recordset) but
always the 1st Sitename 
never site 2 or 3 or 4 or 5

Something backwards in the syntax or not properly placed is suppose

Need help - Any takers?

Many thanks in advance

Darren

  For x = 1 To rs.RecordCount
  	With rs
	      .MoveLast
      	 MsgBox !SiteName
            .MoveNext
      End With
  Next

Have a great day

Darren




From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Tue Sep  7 01:39:16 2004
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2004 16:39:16 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Another Recordset Syntax Q
In-Reply-To: <001701c494a3$90d0f550$4a619a89@DDICK>
Message-ID: <413DE434.21516.104CA311@lexacorp.com.pg>

On 7 Sep 2004 at 16:26, Darren DICK wrote:

>   For x = 1 To rs.RecordCount
>   	With rs
> 	      .MoveLast
>       	 MsgBox !SiteName
>             .MoveNext
>       End With
>   Next
> 

You keep moving to the last record before you display the Sitename

Try

rs.Movefirst
While not rs.eof
     Msgbox rs!Sitename
    rs.Movenext
Wend
-- 
Stuart




From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Tue Sep  7 01:46:15 2004
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 07:46:15 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Another Recordset Syntax Q
In-Reply-To: <001701c494a3$90d0f550$4a619a89@DDICK>
Message-ID: <000601c494a6$5f5ae190$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25>

Hi Darren

The .MoveLast is the problem. It takes you to the last record. After that
there is no Next to move to. To go through all records this is better.

Set rst=.....
Do While Not rst.EOF
	la de da
	rst.MoveNext
Loop

When you open a recordset the record pointer is placed on the first record
so you don't need a MoveFirst.

Another thing. A recordset's .RecordCount is only available after going to
the end of the recordset (ie after a .MoveLast), so you can't do your For
cos .Recordcount would be 0 if you just opened the recordset.

And finally .MoveLast crashes if there are 0 records in the recordset, so if
you did want a recordcount you'd have to do something like this:

Set rst=...
If not rst.eof
	rst.MoveLast
	msgbox rst.recordcount
	rst.MoveFirst
	Do While Not rst.EOF
		la de da
		rst.MoveNext
	Loop
End If


Have fun.

-- Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 



> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darren DICK
> Sent: 07 September 2004 07:26
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Another Recordset Syntax Q
> 
> 
> Hello all
> Another recordset syntax question
> One day I'll get it < sigh >
> 
> The code below does what it is supposed to do except move to 
> the next site name in the recordset WHAT I WANT... I expect 
> the Message box to spit up SiteName1 then I expect another message
> box: SiteName 2 then another 
> Until all the SiteNames in the Recordset are iterated and 
> displayed in sequential message boxes
> 
> Problem is I get 5 message boxes (There's 5 site sin the 
> recordset) but always the 1st Sitename 
> never site 2 or 3 or 4 or 5
> 
> Something backwards in the syntax or not properly placed is suppose
> 
> Need help - Any takers?
> 
> Many thanks in advance
> 
> Darren
> 
>   For x = 1 To rs.RecordCount
>   	With rs
> 	      .MoveLast
>       	 MsgBox !SiteName
>             .MoveNext
>       End With
>   Next
> 
> Have a great day
> 
> Darren
> 
> 
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From d.dick at uws.edu.au  Tue Sep  7 02:02:22 2004
From: d.dick at uws.edu.au (Darren DICK)
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 17:02:22 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Another Recordset Syntax Q
In-Reply-To: <000601c494a6$5f5ae190$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25>
Message-ID: <000101c494a8$9f92ef80$4a619a89@DDICK>

Andy you da man!!!!!!!!!!!!
Outstanding
Just what I needed
I've put it in the dB already and it works beautifully
Many many thanks

SYWYE

Have a fantastic day

Darren



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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
Sent: Tuesday, 7 September 2004 4:46 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K: Another Recordset Syntax Q


Hi Darren

The .MoveLast is the problem. It takes you to the last record. After that
there is no Next to move to. To go through all records this is better.

Set rst=.....
Do While Not rst.EOF
	la de da
	rst.MoveNext
Loop

When you open a recordset the record pointer is placed on the first record
so you don't need a MoveFirst.

Another thing. A recordset's .RecordCount is only available after going to
the end of the recordset (ie after a .MoveLast), so you can't do your For
cos .Recordcount would be 0 if you just opened the recordset.

And finally .MoveLast crashes if there are 0 records in the recordset, so if
you did want a recordcount you'd have to do something like this:

Set rst=...
If not rst.eof
	rst.MoveLast
	msgbox rst.recordcount
	rst.MoveFirst
	Do While Not rst.EOF
		la de da
		rst.MoveNext
	Loop
End If


Have fun.

-- Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 



> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darren DICK
> Sent: 07 September 2004 07:26
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Another Recordset Syntax Q
> 
> 
> Hello all
> Another recordset syntax question
> One day I'll get it < sigh >
> 
> The code below does what it is supposed to do except move to
> the next site name in the recordset WHAT I WANT... I expect 
> the Message box to spit up SiteName1 then I expect another message
> box: SiteName 2 then another 
> Until all the SiteNames in the Recordset are iterated and 
> displayed in sequential message boxes
> 
> Problem is I get 5 message boxes (There's 5 site sin the
> recordset) but always the 1st Sitename 
> never site 2 or 3 or 4 or 5
> 
> Something backwards in the syntax or not properly placed is suppose
> 
> Need help - Any takers?
> 
> Many thanks in advance
> 
> Darren
> 
>   For x = 1 To rs.RecordCount
>   	With rs
> 	      .MoveLast
>       	 MsgBox !SiteName
>             .MoveNext
>       End With
>   Next
> 
> Have a great day
> 
> Darren
> 
> 
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From d.dick at uws.edu.au  Tue Sep  7 02:07:55 2004
From: d.dick at uws.edu.au (Darren DICK)
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 17:07:55 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Another Recordset Syntax Q
In-Reply-To: <413DE434.21516.104CA311@lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <000201c494a9$65fdc410$4a619a89@DDICK>

Thanks Stuart

A mad pom with a similar answer (and an English accent) also told me the
same thing :-))

Many thanks to you both

Have a great day

Darren



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Tuesday, 7 September 2004 4:39 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problemsolving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K: Another Recordset Syntax Q


On 7 Sep 2004 at 16:26, Darren DICK wrote:

>   For x = 1 To rs.RecordCount
>   	With rs
> 	      .MoveLast
>       	 MsgBox !SiteName
>             .MoveNext
>       End With
>   Next
> 

You keep moving to the last record before you display the Sitename

Try

rs.Movefirst
While not rs.eof
     Msgbox rs!Sitename
    rs.Movenext
Wend
-- 
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From subs1847 at solution-providers.ie  Tue Sep  7 04:08:37 2004
From: subs1847 at solution-providers.ie (Mark L. Breen)
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 10:08:37 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Gmail Invite (D)
References: <b874372a040831084468c84f04@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <003901c494ba$474923a0$de1118ac@D8TZHN0J>

Hello Francisco,

I have to ask, what is gmail?  Sorry if this is obvious

Mark


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Francisco Tapia" <fhtapia at gmail.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 4:44 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Gmail Invite (D)


> Ok, here it is again, a Gmail Invite
>
> Reply off list w/ a funny joke, the Invite goes to the first response.
>
> -- 
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Tue Sep  7 04:36:59 2004
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2004 19:36:59 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Gmail Invite (D)
In-Reply-To: <003901c494ba$474923a0$de1118ac@D8TZHN0J>
Message-ID: <413E0DDB.26661.10EF57B7@lexacorp.com.pg>

On 7 Sep 2004 at 10:08, Mark L. Breen wrote:

> Hello Francisco,
> 
> I have to ask, what is gmail?  Sorry if this is obvious
> 

See
https://gmail.google.com/?dest=http%3A%2F%2Fgmail.google.com%2Fgmail

Then read

http://gmail-is-too-creepy.com/

-- 
Stuart




From gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Sep  7 05:04:35 2004
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 12:04:35 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Looping through TableDef.Fields
In-Reply-To: <73950-2200492701652977@christopherhawkins.com>
References: <73950-2200492701652977@christopherhawkins.com>
Message-ID: <10611317864.20040907120435@cactus.dk>

Hi Christopher

Also:

     Set td = db.TableDefs(sTableName)

and don't forget to Set your objects to Nothing when leaving.

/gustav


> I've done this a thousand time.  But right now, I'm full of codeine
> (broke a toe 30 minutes ago) and cannot think worth squat.
 
> Why will this code not work?  THe error-causing line is indicated by
a --->>

> [code]
> Public Sub GetTableInfo(sTableName As String)

> Dim db As DAO.Database
> Dim td As DAO.TableDef
> Dim sSQL As String
> Dim fld As DAO.Field

> On Error GoTo Err_GetTableInfo

>     Set db = CurrentDb()
    
>     Set td = CurrentDb.TableDefs(sTableName)
>     --->For Each fld In td
>         CurrentProject.Connection.Execute "INSERT INTO zTable
> (TableName, FieldName, Alias, SortOrder) VALUES ('" & sTableName &
> "', '" & fld.Name & "', '" & fld.Name & "', 0)"
>     Next fld
    
> Exit_GetTableInfo:
>     Exit Sub

> Err_GetTableInfo:
>     MsgBox Err.Description
>     Resume Exit_GetTableInfo
> End Sub
> [/code]



From cyx5 at cdc.gov  Tue Sep  7 06:27:03 2004
From: cyx5 at cdc.gov (Nicholson, Karen)
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 07:27:03 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] VB Menus - Creating Function for Actions?
Message-ID: <A5B5AA20555F594BA7B6BD2048E49E43840662@m-niosh-5.niosh.cdc.gov>

Thanks; it looks like case logic will do the trick.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 4:00 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] VB Menus - Creating Function for Actions?


Hello Karen,

I've only done this once with custom menus, but I did use an argument in
the
Function.  For example, 

OnAction is =StatusChange("Green")

There are three items on the menu, Red, Yellow, and Green.  They each
call
the same Function, but the action is dictated by the argument.

In the Function, set up a Select Case scenario, and you've gone from
three
functions to one.

HTH!
Dan Waters

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Nicholson,
Karen
Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 2:16 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] VB Menus - Creating Function for Actions?

I am coding my custom menus for many forms.  From what I have read, it
seems that in order to process an .OnAction, one needs to create a
function that can be reference inside of, for instance:

.Caption = "Tracking Sheet - Approval Applications"
.OnAction = "fnOpenTrackingSystemCL"

Do I really need to create functions to execute something as simple as:
DoCmd.OpenForm "frmTrackingSystemCL", acNormal
DoCmd.Maximize
(which is in the function fnOpenTrackingSystemCL)

Show below is my code for the menu item; there are a few modules
associated with this code to make it work, but this is the bulk of it:


Sub CreateNewMenuB()
  
    Dim strMenuNameB As String
    Dim cmdNewMenuB As CommandBar
    Dim cctlFormMenuB As CommandBarControl
    Dim cctlExitMenuB As CommandBarControl
        
    strMenuNameB = "ClosedProjectsMenu"
    
    'If strMenuName exists then deleted it. Commandbars have unique
names.
    'See global section for fIsCreated
    
    If fIsCreated(strMenuNameB) Then
        Application.CommandBars(strMenuNameB).Delete
    End If
        
    'Create a new Commandbar as MenuType
    
    Set cmdNewMenuB = Application.CommandBars.Add(strMenuNameB,
msoBarTop, True, False)
    
    With cmdNewMenuB
        'Set commandbar protection to no protection so users can change
it
        .Protection = msoBarNoProtection
        'Show new menu
        .Visible = True
    End With
       
    'Creating Form menu
    
    Set cctlFormMenuB = cmdNewMenuB.Controls.Add(msoControlPopup)
    cctlFormMenuB.Caption = "&File"
    
    'Creating Exit menu under File
    
    Set cctlExitMenuB = cctlFormMenuB.Controls.Add(msoControlButton)
    With cctlExitMenuB
        .Caption = "R&eturn"
        .OnAction = "fnQuitApp"
        .Caption = "Tracking Sheet - Approval Applications"
        .OnAction = "fnOpenTrackingSystemCL"
    End With
      
End Sub

Karen Nicholson
National Laboratory
Xerox Global Services


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From carbonnb at gmail.com  Tue Sep  7 07:44:11 2004
From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 08:44:11 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Keyboard Shortcut for comments
In-Reply-To: <013101c493d2$33406550$6601a8c0@HAL9002>
References: <413C48AA.6044.A0516E7@lexacorp.com.pg>
	<013101c493d2$33406550$6601a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <e04a6c920409070544117be127@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, 5 Sep 2004 22:27:28 -0700, Rocky Smolin - Beach Access
Software <bchacc at san.rr.com> wrote:
> Rats.  Another cluttery toolbar.

Not necessarily. I copied them from the edit tool bar to the menu bar. 

Now they sit beside the Help menu item, and are always available.

-- 
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com
Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well
preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
shouting "What a great ride!"


From fhtapia at gmail.com  Tue Sep  7 08:02:01 2004
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 06:02:01 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Gmail Invite (D)
In-Reply-To: <413E0DDB.26661.10EF57B7@lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <003901c494ba$474923a0$de1118ac@D8TZHN0J>
	<413E0DDB.26661.10EF57B7@lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <b874372a040907060249eb1dbc@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks,
  Gmail takes a new approach to email.  Not only do you get 1gb of
storage, but you get much more, organization is easier and following
threads in any mailing list is a breeze!  I really do dig it, so much
that I've moved many of my current mailing subscriptions to it.


On Tue, 07 Sep 2004 19:36:59 +1000, Stuart McLachlan
<stuart at lexacorp.com.pg> wrote:
> On 7 Sep 2004 at 10:08, Mark L. Breen wrote:
> 
> > Hello Francisco,
> >
> > I have to ask, what is gmail?  Sorry if this is obvious
> >
> 
> See
> https://gmail.google.com/?dest=http%3A%2F%2Fgmail.google.com%2Fgmail
> 
> Then read
> 
> http://gmail-is-too-creepy.com/
> 
> --
> Stuart
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com  Tue Sep  7 08:03:09 2004
From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark S. (Newport News))
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 09:03:09 -0400 
Subject: [AccessD] Access & AutoCAD
Message-ID: <BA209D7D3A20BE499AB726E4ED7A6DA1FCB700@nprdex02.nns.com>

Sorry for the late replies...4-day weekend;)

As an engineering department, we utilize a plethora of CAD/modeling
packages, but the driving force behind using AutoCAD in this instance is
that the facilities management department uses AutoCAD and they have
graciously bestowed upon me a full-scale floor plan.

Currently, the information which I am trying to consolidate, which includes
a physical representation of the floor plan, resides in several Excel
spreadsheets.  Several copies of the worksheets are necessary to cover all
the information for office equipment and personnel.  Many of these
"overlays" include the personnel name data.  Each time a minor change occurs
in the department, several of these "overlays" must be changed.

You can see how my innate sense of normalization was offended at this
process;)  So, what I proposed was a single normalized database that would
store all of the data for personnel and equipment.  The AutoCAD drawing
could then be updated dynamically as needed...such as when personnel move
and we need to update the "You are here" maps that show the cubicle
locations for everyone.

A secondary reason for using in-house readily available software, is that,
when complete, this combined Access/AutoCAD application will be submitted as
an "Opportunity For Improvement" to hopefully be utilized throughout the
enterprise.


Mark



-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Lawrence (AccessD) [mailto:accessd at shaw.ca] 
Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2004 12:59 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access & AutoCAD


Hi Mark:

Sorry I am late to this conversation but is not AutoCAD comprised of a group
of exposed objects (dlls and ActiveX components) and AutoLISP, a VBA type
language. You of course have to be on a station where AutoCAD is installed
as well as Access.

One friend works in a government mapping office that uses ArcInfo but has a
number of translators and automated translation processes, one script used
translates AutoCAD DWG files into ArcInfo files and back...all using various
built in objects and their properties. I know they have the capabilities to
automate the extraction by levels, object types etc.. I imagine anything
else would be possible.

I think there is a few downloads and samples from some of the companies that
work extensively with various government agencies like:
http://www.esri.com/.
I might be able to get some help but would have to know a specific
requirement.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Mitsules, Mark
S. (Newport News)
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 12:51 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access & AutoCAD


Both.  First project is our departmental floor plan which will include ALL
of the attributes for personnel and equipment.  Later projects will build
BOM drawings in AutoCAD dynamically.  Concurrently with those, I would like
to develop an automation process which monitors a network folder, and when a
new drawing is placed there, automatically extract certain drawing
attributes, log them into a database, and create a .dwf format version for
intranet publication.


Mark


-----Original Message-----
From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 1:30 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access & AutoCAD


Mark,
Are you trying to use automation between the two or are you trying to use
access as a database for Autocad Attributes?

John B.

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Mitsules, Mark
S. (Newport News)
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 12:04 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access & AutoCAD


...so I'm guessing I'm the only one in this unique position:(((


Mark





-----Original Message-----
From: Mitsules, Mark
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 5:42 PM
To: [AccessD]
Subject: [AccessD] Access & AutoCAD


Has anyone tackled this combination?  There is ONE example in the AutoCAD
samples folder.  There is ONE book that I found regarding database
connectivity (circa 1999).  ...and a DISTINCT lack of web-based material as
far as I can tell:(  I would be most appreciative for pointers towards any
of the following: recent books (AutoCAD 2002 or later), web-based tutorials,
web-based examples, personal examples, cave paintings...anything.

Thanks in advance for any/all information.

Mark
Conversely, I am willing to pay $40 to anyone willing to take the AutoCAD
help files and develop a booklet within the next 2 weeks, including a table
of contents, that will allow me to chronologically work my way through a
project.
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From kost36 at otenet.gr  Tue Sep  7 08:24:52 2004
From: kost36 at otenet.gr (Kostas Konstantinidis)
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 16:24:52 +0300
Subject: [AccessD] Protecting a subform with password
References: <FJEJLIPOMCGJALMGLLLIOEEOCGAA.accessd@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <000801c494de$0ff1c550$0100a8c0@KOST36>

Hi group,
thank's all for your response to my question
I tried the follown (which seems to work) and was wondering if it could be 
possible and how to hide the line "Level0Pass = "123""
making it unreadable e.g. instead of 123 to appear ***
thank you
kostas

Private Sub Command0_Click()
Dim Green As Boolean, Level0Pass As String, stDocName As String, 
stLinkCriteria As String
Level0Pass = "123"
Green = False
 If Pass = Level0Pass Then
    Green = True
 End If
 If Green Then
   stDocName = "MT_entoli"
   stLinkCriteria = "[AM]=" & [Forms]![MT_basic_char]![AM]
   DoCmd.OpenForm stDocName, , , stLinkCriteria
   DoCmd.Close acForm, "P_Form"
 Else
   DoCmd.Close
 End If
End Sub 




From Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org  Tue Sep  7 08:41:21 2004
From: Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 09:41:21 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Protecting a subform with password
Message-ID: <08F823FD83787D4BA0B99CA580AD3C74089B4C@TTNEXCHCL2.hshhp.com>

I don't think you can hide it in a code module but you do have ways to obscure it.  If a user gets into this code they can bypass the security anyway so encrypting or hiding the value in a module will only provide very limited trouble to someone who wants to get in.

1. Put the value in a table and name the table and field something completely unrelated to security (i.e Table Name: tblCleanup, FieldName: Status).  Then use a recordset to grab the check value.  
2.  Rename the variables to something harmless and break the variable up into pieces using concatenation to put it back together:
3. If Pass is a control on your form rename that to something harmless as well so as not to provide clues to its function.

Here is your code rewritten with this technique applied.  Of course you'll use dummy variable names that hide what you're doing better than these examples.

Dim sStart as String 
dim Green as Boolean
Dim sMid as String
Dim stDocName as String
Dim sEnd as String
dim stLinkCriteria as String
Dim sPutItTogether as String

sStart = "1"
Green = False
sMid = "2"
'add a comment or two here to separate the two values (mid and end)
sEnd = "3"


sPutItTogether = sStart & sMid & sEnd

 If Status = sPutItTogether Then
    Green = True
 End If
 If Green Then
   stDocName = "MT_entoli"
   stLinkCriteria = "[AM]=" & [Forms]![MT_basic_char]![AM]
   DoCmd.OpenForm stDocName, , , stLinkCriteria
   DoCmd.Close acForm, "P_Form"
 Else
   DoCmd.Close
 End If

HTH,

Jim DeMarco


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Kostas Konstantinidis
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 9:25 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Protecting a subform with password


Hi group,
thank's all for your response to my question
I tried the follown (which seems to work) and was wondering if it could be possible and how to hide the line "Level0Pass = "123""
making it unreadable e.g. instead of 123 to appear ***
thank you
kostas

Private Sub Command0_Click()
Dim Green As Boolean, Level0Pass As String, stDocName As String, 
stLinkCriteria As String
Level0Pass = "123"
Green = False
 If Pass = Level0Pass Then
    Green = True
 End If
 If Green Then
   stDocName = "MT_entoli"
   stLinkCriteria = "[AM]=" & [Forms]![MT_basic_char]![AM]
   DoCmd.OpenForm stDocName, , , stLinkCriteria
   DoCmd.Close acForm, "P_Form"
 Else
   DoCmd.Close
 End If
End Sub 


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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Tue Sep  7 09:11:37 2004
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (DWUTKA at marlow.com)
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 09:11:37 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] A2K ideas on Order Entry
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8031BB342@main2.marlow.com>

The beauty of unbound forms, with custom classes handling your processes, is
the ability to create your own events.  I have built several projects where
the forms display data based upon Global Class Objects, which interact
through events.  For example, I have an Inventory object, that has an
'inventory changed' event.  Whenever something happens to the inventory
(which is done through this class), it raises that event, and all open forms
that have are using this class receive that event, and thus update
themselves with the new information.

Yes, it takes a little longer to set something like that up, but it is
extraordinarily handy as you build more complex and 'smarter' applications.

Drew

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Francisco
Tapia
Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2004 1:53 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] A2K ideas on Order Entry


Brainstorming here:

I have a parent form which houses important order entry information
such as Billto/Shipto, PO#, SO#, and Notes... along with that I have a
listbox (but have been working on a readonly subform datasheet view).

Users currently go into a popup window box to add new lineitems to
this order.  However... I'd like to control where the popup box hovers
over... meaning allowing for the subform to be viewable while the
popup form is on the screen.  This allows ME to refresh the subform to
display the newly entered items.

now currently while in the popup mode, I've made it so that as soon as
one line entry is complete, the form display clears out to allow
another entry, and thus all the data entry guy has to do is key in the
new qty etc. for his order.  but once he is done, I use a keypreview
to capture the ESC key to allow them to get out.  I thought about what
if they could just hit ENTER and when the QTY field is null it should
kick him out, but I get a bizzar error on the .OnExit event of the Qty
Field.  thus I can't exit the form while it's processing or something
like that....

any ideas?.. (yeah I realize that its' 12:00am PST but that's when the
mind is wandering :D)

thanks,



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From artful at rogers.com  Tue Sep  7 09:37:47 2004
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 10:37:47 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Syntax question about control references
In-Reply-To: <413DE434.21516.104CA311@lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <012901c494e8$3ea6aa50$6501a8c0@rock>

My form has controls whose names derive from the EoM() of a given date.
That is, the end of a month. The control's name will be something such
as "12/31/2004", etc. I need to set the focus to the column
corresponding to today's date. For the date on which I am writing this
message, the correct column is named "9/30/2004". I can derive this like
so:

? eom(date)
9/30/2004 

The EoM() function (which I wrote) returns a date. I need to take this
value and turn it into a reference to a column, such that I can write:

Me.columnName.SetFocus

I haven't quite got it yet. Any suggestions?

TIA,
Arthur



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart
McLachlan
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 2:39 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problemsolving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K: Another Recordset Syntax Q


On 7 Sep 2004 at 16:26, Darren DICK wrote:

>   For x = 1 To rs.RecordCount
>   	With rs
> 	      .MoveLast
>       	 MsgBox !SiteName
>             .MoveNext
>       End With
>   Next
> 

You keep moving to the last record before you display the Sitename

Try

rs.Movefirst
While not rs.eof
     Msgbox rs!Sitename
    rs.Movenext
Wend
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From artful at rogers.com  Tue Sep  7 09:51:30 2004
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 10:51:30 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Re: Syntax question about control references
Message-ID: <012a01c494ea$292698f0$6501a8c0@rock>

I loaded the object browser and looked at what Access thinks of as the
control names. Here I find that the controls are named like this:

	Ctl9_30_2004

So all it takes is one line to set the focus to said control:

	Me.Ctl9_30_2004.SetFocus

However, this is still not quite the perfect solution that I'm looking
for. The form in question is a datasheet with one frozen column, so the
titles of the rows are visible at all times. The line above places the
focus exactly where I want it, but the unfrozen part of the form scrolls
only far enough to make said column visible. What I really want is
either of these two options:

A) make the first of the scrollable columns BoY(date), i.e. 1/1/2004; or
B) make the first of the scrollable columns EoM(date), i.e. 9/30/2004.

In either case, I could construct the name by executing the EoM() and/or
BoY() functions, then substitute "_" for "/", then stringify that. But
will that work? I would need to plug the result into the statement, like
so:

	Me.<ctlName>.SetFocus

And that only gets me halfway to my goal, which is to scroll the columns
to that particular column.

Suggestions greatly appreciated!
A.



From michael.mattys at adelphia.net  Tue Sep  7 09:58:36 2004
From: michael.mattys at adelphia.net (Michael R Mattys)
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 10:58:36 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Syntax question about control references
References: <012901c494e8$3ea6aa50$6501a8c0@rock>
Message-ID: <008501c494eb$27dc4930$6401a8c0@default>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Arthur Fuller" 


> My form has controls whose names derive from the EoM() of a given date.
> That is, the end of a month. The control's name will be something such
> as "12/31/2004", etc. I need to set the focus to the column
> corresponding to today's date. For the date on which I am writing this
> message, the correct column is named "9/30/2004". 
...
> The EoM() function (which I wrote) returns a date. I need to take this
> value and turn it into a reference to a column, such that I can write:
> 
> Me.columnName.SetFocus

Arthur,

It looks like you mean to say that you have
a subform set to "continuous forms." If that's
the case, you'd say 

Me.SubformName.Form.Controls("EOMDate").SetFocus

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http://www.mattysconsulting.com


From gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Sep  7 10:07:50 2004
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 17:07:50 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Re: Syntax question about control references
In-Reply-To: <012a01c494ea$292698f0$6501a8c0@rock>
References: <012a01c494ea$292698f0$6501a8c0@rock>
Message-ID: <429512877.20040907170750@cactus.dk>

Hi Arthur

Don't know about the scrolling, but the focus could be set like this:

  Me("Ctl" & Format(EoM(), "m\_d\_yyyy")).SetFocus

/gustav


> I loaded the object browser and looked at what Access thinks of as the
> control names. Here I find that the controls are named like this:

>         Ctl9_30_2004

> So all it takes is one line to set the focus to said control:

>         Me.Ctl9_30_2004.SetFocus

> However, this is still not quite the perfect solution that I'm looking
> for. The form in question is a datasheet with one frozen column, so the
> titles of the rows are visible at all times. The line above places the
> focus exactly where I want it, but the unfrozen part of the form scrolls
> only far enough to make said column visible. What I really want is
> either of these two options:

> A) make the first of the scrollable columns BoY(date), i.e. 1/1/2004; or
> B) make the first of the scrollable columns EoM(date), i.e. 9/30/2004.

> In either case, I could construct the name by executing the EoM() and/or
> BoY() functions, then substitute "_" for "/", then stringify that. But
> will that work? I would need to plug the result into the statement, like
> so:

>         Me.<ctlName>.SetFocus

> And that only gets me halfway to my goal, which is to scroll the columns
> to that particular column.

> Suggestions greatly appreciated!
> A.



From CMackin at Quiznos.com  Tue Sep  7 10:17:14 2004
From: CMackin at Quiznos.com (Mackin, Christopher)
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 09:17:14 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Syntax question about control references
Message-ID: <EBEA2FA1665EDA40A600D92C87B9B4CE020C3B@snowmass.quiznos.net>

strCtlName = CStr(eom(date))
Me(strCtlName).SetFocus 

Should work.

-Chris Mackin

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 8:38 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Syntax question about control references


My form has controls whose names derive from the EoM() of a given date.
That is, the end of a month. The control's name will be something such
as "12/31/2004", etc. I need to set the focus to the column
corresponding to today's date. For the date on which I am writing this
message, the correct column is named "9/30/2004". I can derive this like
so:

? eom(date)
9/30/2004 

The EoM() function (which I wrote) returns a date. I need to take this
value and turn it into a reference to a column, such that I can write:

Me.columnName.SetFocus

I haven't quite got it yet. Any suggestions?

TIA,
Arthur



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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart
McLachlan
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 2:39 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problemsolving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K: Another Recordset Syntax Q


On 7 Sep 2004 at 16:26, Darren DICK wrote:

>   For x = 1 To rs.RecordCount
>   	With rs
> 	      .MoveLast
>       	 MsgBox !SiteName
>             .MoveNext
>       End With
>   Next
> 

You keep moving to the last record before you display the Sitename

Try

rs.Movefirst
While not rs.eof
     Msgbox rs!Sitename
    rs.Movenext
Wend
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Sep  7 10:18:04 2004
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2004 11:18:04 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] A2K ideas on Order Entry
In-Reply-To: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8031BB342@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <000601c494ed$e3cd9e80$80b3fea9@ColbyM6805>

Drew,

I most appreciate your observations re classes and events, but it is
unhelpful to cast them in the light of unbound forms.  Any class can
generate a custom event (even a form's class), they can do so without forms
even being involved, and they can do so to manage a bound form as easily as
an unbound form.

But yes, your observations re transmitting messages to other classes (and
forms) is right on target.  Way cool.

I use a set of classes to handle logging process messages to disk.  Have you
ever looked at SQL Server's log, or windows startup log?  Very handy to
troubleshoot what's going on when something fails.  I have a set of classes
that listens for an event (on a message channel in my case).  If they
receive that message (sink an event and the message is for it), the class
logs the message content into a disk file.

I use exactly the same process to log process status to tables when my
program needs to monitor process status.  A set of classes monitors a
message channel (sinks an event for a message class instance) and if the
message is for that class, writes the message content to a table.

Using "loggers" in this fashion allows my programs to log processes without
each piece having to know how to log to a disk file or log to a table.  It
simply calls a message class instance method and passes a to:, subject:, and
message: and the logger handles the rest.  I can have multiple logger
instances, one each process that needs logging, each instance knows it's
disk file name or table name and logs to the right place.

In fact I also use the message class for inter-form and inter-process
communications inside an application.  Once you have a message class built,
it is trivial to pass messages to any other class (only classes can sink
events).  My framework automatically starts one general purpose message
class so that is a known entity sure to exist.  Any process can send a
message on that message instance.  If a process needs it's own message
channel for some reason, it can ask the framework to open another instance
(stored in a collection by message channel name) and pass back a pointer to
that channel instance.  Now any set of classes involved in that process go
get a pointer to that message channel instance and use that as a private
message channel.

Custom events allow processes to be "black box", do their thing, and
broadcast an event when some thing happens.  That is extremely useful in
interface design since it isolates classes.  The matching part (or parts)
don't have to be running to test, different parts can sink the events in
different situations etc.

This stuff is way cool.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of DWUTKA at marlow.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 10:12 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K ideas on Order Entry


The beauty of unbound forms, with custom classes handling your processes, is
the ability to create your own events.  I have built several projects where
the forms display data based upon Global Class Objects, which interact
through events.  For example, I have an Inventory object, that has an
'inventory changed' event.  Whenever something happens to the inventory
(which is done through this class), it raises that event, and all open forms
that have are using this class receive that event, and thus update
themselves with the new information.

Yes, it takes a little longer to set something like that up, but it is
extraordinarily handy as you build more complex and 'smarter' applications.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Francisco Tapia
Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2004 1:53 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] A2K ideas on Order Entry


Brainstorming here:

I have a parent form which houses important order entry information such as
Billto/Shipto, PO#, SO#, and Notes... along with that I have a listbox (but
have been working on a readonly subform datasheet view).

Users currently go into a popup window box to add new lineitems to this
order.  However... I'd like to control where the popup box hovers over...
meaning allowing for the subform to be viewable while the popup form is on
the screen.  This allows ME to refresh the subform to display the newly
entered items.

now currently while in the popup mode, I've made it so that as soon as one
line entry is complete, the form display clears out to allow another entry,
and thus all the data entry guy has to do is key in the new qty etc. for his
order.  but once he is done, I use a keypreview to capture the ESC key to
allow them to get out.  I thought about what if they could just hit ENTER
and when the QTY field is null it should kick him out, but I get a bizzar
error on the .OnExit event of the Qty Field.  thus I can't exit the form
while it's processing or something like that....

any ideas?.. (yeah I realize that its' 12:00am PST but that's when the mind
is wandering :D)

thanks,



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From cyx5 at cdc.gov  Tue Sep  7 10:27:37 2004
From: cyx5 at cdc.gov (Nicholson, Karen)
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 11:27:37 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Logon/Password Same as Network
Message-ID: <A5B5AA20555F594BA7B6BD2048E49E43840669@m-niosh-5.niosh.cdc.gov>

I know how to grab the logon from the network; is there a way to make
the password to be the same as the password housed on the network so
that the user will have the same logon/password?  Thanks!

Karen Nicholson
National Laboratory
Xerox Global Services




From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com  Tue Sep  7 11:02:54 2004
From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 12:02:54 -0400 
Subject: [AccessD] Logon/Password Same as Network
Message-ID: <1D7828CDB8350747AFE9D69E0E90DA1F02D088D1@xlivmbx21.aig.com>

What's "the password"? Do you mean the logging password used for Access
Security? Why would you want to make this the same as the users LAN login
password? To do so would require your to keep the two synchronized and that
would be a pain. Or do you in fact want to use the "Windows NT Challenge"
process to validate an already logged in user?

All I can say is that Authentication is kinda complex, but take a look here
for an example....

http://vbnet.mvps.org/index.html?code/network/acceptsecuritycontext.htm

Just be sure not to store those passwords anywhere or you will open up a
security hole big enough to drive an 18-wheeler through.

Lambert


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> Sent:	Tuesday, September 07, 2004 11:28 AM
> To:	accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject:	[AccessD] Logon/Password Same as Network
> 
> I know how to grab the logon from the network; is there a way to make
> the password to be the same as the password housed on the network so
> that the user will have the same logon/password?  Thanks!
> 
> Karen Nicholson
> National Laboratory
> Xerox Global Services
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Tue Sep  7 11:32:20 2004
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (DWUTKA at marlow.com)
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 11:32:20 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] A2K ideas on Order Entry
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8031BB344@main2.marlow.com>

I was referring to unbound forms because in the business logic structures I
have built, the business logic is built into stand along classes.  These
classes can then be used by any form.  So the classes let the forms
interact.  Yes, you can put events into bound forms, but you don't have the
same 'interaction' then.

For instance, in Francisco's original message, he could get around his
particular issue by creating an event for his main form, which he can sink
into his popup form, so when he triggers that event, the popup form receives
it, and acts appropriately.

In my case, I built the entire structure that way, so one interaction is
seen by all that need it.

Here's an example.  I built in Inventory Class.  This class can be used to
add inventory items, create inventory transactions, modify inventory items,
etc. etc.  Anything and everything to do with the inventory system required
by the business logic.  So now I build a few forms.  One to add/modify
inventory items (not actual transactions, but item definitions), on for
inventory transactions.  Now I also have a Site class (where inventory
goes/comes from, during transactions).  Same principle, it handles all of
the interactions with Sites.  The inventory transaction form uses both the
Inventory class and the Site class.  There is also a Site Add/Edit form.
All three forms work independantly, however, due to the events within the
classes, when something is done that 'could' affect another class, then
events are raised, and any open form that uses that class is notified.

I know this could still be done strictly with bound forms, but I think the
unbound approach is cleaner.  In the example above, I would need to
reference two forms, to capture any/all changes to the inventory (and if I'm
making a third form, I would have to go back and modify the first two forms
to handle the third), where as the central class method handles it all by
itself.  No going back to modify other forms, new forms can be built
whenever needed, and all of the existing forms need not be aware of them,
since they all work off of the same Inventory object.

Okay, nuff said, cause we don't need another bound/unbound discussion.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 10:18 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K ideas on Order Entry


Drew,

I most appreciate your observations re classes and events, but it is
unhelpful to cast them in the light of unbound forms.  Any class can
generate a custom event (even a form's class), they can do so without forms
even being involved, and they can do so to manage a bound form as easily as
an unbound form.

But yes, your observations re transmitting messages to other classes (and
forms) is right on target.  Way cool.

I use a set of classes to handle logging process messages to disk.  Have you
ever looked at SQL Server's log, or windows startup log?  Very handy to
troubleshoot what's going on when something fails.  I have a set of classes
that listens for an event (on a message channel in my case).  If they
receive that message (sink an event and the message is for it), the class
logs the message content into a disk file.

I use exactly the same process to log process status to tables when my
program needs to monitor process status.  A set of classes monitors a
message channel (sinks an event for a message class instance) and if the
message is for that class, writes the message content to a table.

Using "loggers" in this fashion allows my programs to log processes without
each piece having to know how to log to a disk file or log to a table.  It
simply calls a message class instance method and passes a to:, subject:, and
message: and the logger handles the rest.  I can have multiple logger
instances, one each process that needs logging, each instance knows it's
disk file name or table name and logs to the right place.

In fact I also use the message class for inter-form and inter-process
communications inside an application.  Once you have a message class built,
it is trivial to pass messages to any other class (only classes can sink
events).  My framework automatically starts one general purpose message
class so that is a known entity sure to exist.  Any process can send a
message on that message instance.  If a process needs it's own message
channel for some reason, it can ask the framework to open another instance
(stored in a collection by message channel name) and pass back a pointer to
that channel instance.  Now any set of classes involved in that process go
get a pointer to that message channel instance and use that as a private
message channel.

Custom events allow processes to be "black box", do their thing, and
broadcast an event when some thing happens.  That is extremely useful in
interface design since it isolates classes.  The matching part (or parts)
don't have to be running to test, different parts can sink the events in
different situations etc.

This stuff is way cool.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of DWUTKA at marlow.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 10:12 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K ideas on Order Entry


The beauty of unbound forms, with custom classes handling your processes, is
the ability to create your own events.  I have built several projects where
the forms display data based upon Global Class Objects, which interact
through events.  For example, I have an Inventory object, that has an
'inventory changed' event.  Whenever something happens to the inventory
(which is done through this class), it raises that event, and all open forms
that have are using this class receive that event, and thus update
themselves with the new information.

Yes, it takes a little longer to set something like that up, but it is
extraordinarily handy as you build more complex and 'smarter' applications.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Francisco Tapia
Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2004 1:53 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] A2K ideas on Order Entry


Brainstorming here:

I have a parent form which houses important order entry information such as
Billto/Shipto, PO#, SO#, and Notes... along with that I have a listbox (but
have been working on a readonly subform datasheet view).

Users currently go into a popup window box to add new lineitems to this
order.  However... I'd like to control where the popup box hovers over...
meaning allowing for the subform to be viewable while the popup form is on
the screen.  This allows ME to refresh the subform to display the newly
entered items.

now currently while in the popup mode, I've made it so that as soon as one
line entry is complete, the form display clears out to allow another entry,
and thus all the data entry guy has to do is key in the new qty etc. for his
order.  but once he is done, I use a keypreview to capture the ESC key to
allow them to get out.  I thought about what if they could just hit ENTER
and when the QTY field is null it should kick him out, but I get a bizzar
error on the .OnExit event of the Qty Field.  thus I can't exit the form
while it's processing or something like that....

any ideas?.. (yeah I realize that its' 12:00am PST but that's when the mind
is wandering :D)

thanks,



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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Tue Sep  7 12:38:58 2004
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 18:38:58 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Broadcast A Message
In-Reply-To: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8031BB344@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <000001c49501$8e6e8490$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25>

Hi folks

Anyone got any info/code to broadcast a message to selected machines/users.
We've an NT4 server and a Novell server so could use either technology.

-- Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Sep  7 12:58:27 2004
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2004 13:58:27 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] A2K ideas on Order Entry
In-Reply-To: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8031BB344@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <000701c49504$4817e5b0$80b3fea9@ColbyM6805>

Drew,

I understand what you are saying but there is no reason a bound form cannot
use (reference) those same business classes.  That's all I'm saying.  It has
absolutely nothing to do with bound / unbound.  I (mostly) use bound forms.
But I routinely reference business classes from those forms.  The form's
class references the class Withevents and can now sink events from that
class if it needs to.

If a new form needs to receive messages from that class then it simply gets
a pointer to that class instance.  By dimming the class global in a module
(and initializing it there) ANY form (or any class, since a form is just a
class after all) can grab a pointer to the class and sink any events
broadcast by that class.  

You didn't say whether these unbound forms are getting a pointer to an
instance of a single (global) class or dimming an instance of the class in
each form.  Either way, a bound form can do exactly the same things.  If a
business class instance is created for each form then a message channel such
as I described previously allows intercommunication.  The business class
instance sends a message on the (global) message channel.  If a global
business class instance is used by all forms, then each form grabs a pointer
to the global class instance directly and calls methods of the class to
inform the class (other users of the class) that it has manipulated data,
and sinks it's events to determine that other forms have manipulated data.
Either way, bound or unbound doesn't matter.  

I agree, this is not about bound vs unbound, but rather whether the same
concepts can be applied or used and they most certainly can.  I simply don't
want our members saying "oh, I'm using bound so I can't use that idea".  Of
course they can, I do every day.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of DWUTKA at marlow.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 12:32 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K ideas on Order Entry


I was referring to unbound forms because in the business logic structures I
have built, the business logic is built into stand along classes.  These
classes can then be used by any form.  So the classes let the forms
interact.  Yes, you can put events into bound forms, but you don't have the
same 'interaction' then.

For instance, in Francisco's original message, he could get around his
particular issue by creating an event for his main form, which he can sink
into his popup form, so when he triggers that event, the popup form receives
it, and acts appropriately.

In my case, I built the entire structure that way, so one interaction is
seen by all that need it.

Here's an example.  I built in Inventory Class.  This class can be used to
add inventory items, create inventory transactions, modify inventory items,
etc. etc.  Anything and everything to do with the inventory system required
by the business logic.  So now I build a few forms.  One to add/modify
inventory items (not actual transactions, but item definitions), on for
inventory transactions.  Now I also have a Site class (where inventory
goes/comes from, during transactions).  Same principle, it handles all of
the interactions with Sites.  The inventory transaction form uses both the
Inventory class and the Site class.  There is also a Site Add/Edit form. All
three forms work independantly, however, due to the events within the
classes, when something is done that 'could' affect another class, then
events are raised, and any open form that uses that class is notified.

I know this could still be done strictly with bound forms, but I think the
unbound approach is cleaner.  In the example above, I would need to
reference two forms, to capture any/all changes to the inventory (and if I'm
making a third form, I would have to go back and modify the first two forms
to handle the third), where as the central class method handles it all by
itself.  No going back to modify other forms, new forms can be built
whenever needed, and all of the existing forms need not be aware of them,
since they all work off of the same Inventory object.

Okay, nuff said, cause we don't need another bound/unbound discussion.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 10:18 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K ideas on Order Entry


Drew,

I most appreciate your observations re classes and events, but it is
unhelpful to cast them in the light of unbound forms.  Any class can
generate a custom event (even a form's class), they can do so without forms
even being involved, and they can do so to manage a bound form as easily as
an unbound form.

But yes, your observations re transmitting messages to other classes (and
forms) is right on target.  Way cool.

I use a set of classes to handle logging process messages to disk.  Have you
ever looked at SQL Server's log, or windows startup log?  Very handy to
troubleshoot what's going on when something fails.  I have a set of classes
that listens for an event (on a message channel in my case).  If they
receive that message (sink an event and the message is for it), the class
logs the message content into a disk file.

I use exactly the same process to log process status to tables when my
program needs to monitor process status.  A set of classes monitors a
message channel (sinks an event for a message class instance) and if the
message is for that class, writes the message content to a table.

Using "loggers" in this fashion allows my programs to log processes without
each piece having to know how to log to a disk file or log to a table.  It
simply calls a message class instance method and passes a to:, subject:, and
message: and the logger handles the rest.  I can have multiple logger
instances, one each process that needs logging, each instance knows it's
disk file name or table name and logs to the right place.

In fact I also use the message class for inter-form and inter-process
communications inside an application.  Once you have a message class built,
it is trivial to pass messages to any other class (only classes can sink
events).  My framework automatically starts one general purpose message
class so that is a known entity sure to exist.  Any process can send a
message on that message instance.  If a process needs it's own message
channel for some reason, it can ask the framework to open another instance
(stored in a collection by message channel name) and pass back a pointer to
that channel instance.  Now any set of classes involved in that process go
get a pointer to that message channel instance and use that as a private
message channel.

Custom events allow processes to be "black box", do their thing, and
broadcast an event when some thing happens.  That is extremely useful in
interface design since it isolates classes.  The matching part (or parts)
don't have to be running to test, different parts can sink the events in
different situations etc.

This stuff is way cool.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of DWUTKA at marlow.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 10:12 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K ideas on Order Entry


The beauty of unbound forms, with custom classes handling your processes, is
the ability to create your own events.  I have built several projects where
the forms display data based upon Global Class Objects, which interact
through events.  For example, I have an Inventory object, that has an
'inventory changed' event.  Whenever something happens to the inventory
(which is done through this class), it raises that event, and all open forms
that have are using this class receive that event, and thus update
themselves with the new information.

Yes, it takes a little longer to set something like that up, but it is
extraordinarily handy as you build more complex and 'smarter' applications.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Francisco Tapia
Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2004 1:53 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] A2K ideas on Order Entry


Brainstorming here:

I have a parent form which houses important order entry information such as
Billto/Shipto, PO#, SO#, and Notes... along with that I have a listbox (but
have been working on a readonly subform datasheet view).

Users currently go into a popup window box to add new lineitems to this
order.  However... I'd like to control where the popup box hovers over...
meaning allowing for the subform to be viewable while the popup form is on
the screen.  This allows ME to refresh the subform to display the newly
entered items.

now currently while in the popup mode, I've made it so that as soon as one
line entry is complete, the form display clears out to allow another entry,
and thus all the data entry guy has to do is key in the new qty etc. for his
order.  but once he is done, I use a keypreview to capture the ESC key to
allow them to get out.  I thought about what if they could just hit ENTER
and when the QTY field is null it should kick him out, but I get a bizzar
error on the .OnExit event of the Qty Field.  thus I can't exit the form
while it's processing or something like that....

any ideas?.. (yeah I realize that its' 12:00am PST but that's when the mind
is wandering :D)

thanks,



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From JRojas at tnco-inc.com  Tue Sep  7 12:54:02 2004
From: JRojas at tnco-inc.com (Joe Rojas)
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 13:54:02 -0400 
Subject: [AccessD] A2K ideas on Order Entry
Message-ID: <0CC84C9461AE6445AD5A602001C41C4B059E7C@mercury.tnco-inc.com>

Wow, this stuff sounds pretty cool.
I know that both you and John have talked about classes before but do either
of you have example databases that demonstrate this kind of functionality?

Thanks,
JR

-----Original Message-----
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com]
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 12:32 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K ideas on Order Entry

I was referring to unbound forms because in the business logic structures I
have built, the business logic is built into stand along classes.  These
classes can then be used by any form.  So the classes let the forms
interact.  Yes, you can put events into bound forms, but you don't have the
same 'interaction' then.

For instance, in Francisco's original message, he could get around his
particular issue by creating an event for his main form, which he can sink
into his popup form, so when he triggers that event, the popup form receives
it, and acts appropriately.

In my case, I built the entire structure that way, so one interaction is
seen by all that need it.

Here's an example.  I built in Inventory Class.  This class can be used to
add inventory items, create inventory transactions, modify inventory items,
etc. etc.  Anything and everything to do with the inventory system required
by the business logic.  So now I build a few forms.  One to add/modify
inventory items (not actual transactions, but item definitions), on for
inventory transactions.  Now I also have a Site class (where inventory
goes/comes from, during transactions).  Same principle, it handles all of
the interactions with Sites.  The inventory transaction form uses both the
Inventory class and the Site class.  There is also a Site Add/Edit form.
All three forms work independantly, however, due to the events within the
classes, when something is done that 'could' affect another class, then
events are raised, and any open form that uses that class is notified.

I know this could still be done strictly with bound forms, but I think the
unbound approach is cleaner.  In the example above, I would need to
reference two forms, to capture any/all changes to the inventory (and if I'm
making a third form, I would have to go back and modify the first two forms
to handle the third), where as the central class method handles it all by
itself.  No going back to modify other forms, new forms can be built
whenever needed, and all of the existing forms need not be aware of them,
since they all work off of the same Inventory object.

Okay, nuff said, cause we don't need another bound/unbound discussion.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 10:18 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K ideas on Order Entry


Drew,

I most appreciate your observations re classes and events, but it is
unhelpful to cast them in the light of unbound forms.  Any class can
generate a custom event (even a form's class), they can do so without forms
even being involved, and they can do so to manage a bound form as easily as
an unbound form.

But yes, your observations re transmitting messages to other classes (and
forms) is right on target.  Way cool.

I use a set of classes to handle logging process messages to disk.  Have you
ever looked at SQL Server's log, or windows startup log?  Very handy to
troubleshoot what's going on when something fails.  I have a set of classes
that listens for an event (on a message channel in my case).  If they
receive that message (sink an event and the message is for it), the class
logs the message content into a disk file.

I use exactly the same process to log process status to tables when my
program needs to monitor process status.  A set of classes monitors a
message channel (sinks an event for a message class instance) and if the
message is for that class, writes the message content to a table.

Using "loggers" in this fashion allows my programs to log processes without
each piece having to know how to log to a disk file or log to a table.  It
simply calls a message class instance method and passes a to:, subject:, and
message: and the logger handles the rest.  I can have multiple logger
instances, one each process that needs logging, each instance knows it's
disk file name or table name and logs to the right place.

In fact I also use the message class for inter-form and inter-process
communications inside an application.  Once you have a message class built,
it is trivial to pass messages to any other class (only classes can sink
events).  My framework automatically starts one general purpose message
class so that is a known entity sure to exist.  Any process can send a
message on that message instance.  If a process needs it's own message
channel for some reason, it can ask the framework to open another instance
(stored in a collection by message channel name) and pass back a pointer to
that channel instance.  Now any set of classes involved in that process go
get a pointer to that message channel instance and use that as a private
message channel.

Custom events allow processes to be "black box", do their thing, and
broadcast an event when some thing happens.  That is extremely useful in
interface design since it isolates classes.  The matching part (or parts)
don't have to be running to test, different parts can sink the events in
different situations etc.

This stuff is way cool.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of DWUTKA at marlow.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 10:12 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K ideas on Order Entry


The beauty of unbound forms, with custom classes handling your processes, is
the ability to create your own events.  I have built several projects where
the forms display data based upon Global Class Objects, which interact
through events.  For example, I have an Inventory object, that has an
'inventory changed' event.  Whenever something happens to the inventory
(which is done through this class), it raises that event, and all open forms
that have are using this class receive that event, and thus update
themselves with the new information.

Yes, it takes a little longer to set something like that up, but it is
extraordinarily handy as you build more complex and 'smarter' applications.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Francisco Tapia
Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2004 1:53 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] A2K ideas on Order Entry


Brainstorming here:

I have a parent form which houses important order entry information such as
Billto/Shipto, PO#, SO#, and Notes... along with that I have a listbox (but
have been working on a readonly subform datasheet view).

Users currently go into a popup window box to add new lineitems to this
order.  However... I'd like to control where the popup box hovers over...
meaning allowing for the subform to be viewable while the popup form is on
the screen.  This allows ME to refresh the subform to display the newly
entered items.

now currently while in the popup mode, I've made it so that as soon as one
line entry is complete, the form display clears out to allow another entry,
and thus all the data entry guy has to do is key in the new qty etc. for his
order.  but once he is done, I use a keypreview to capture the ESC key to
allow them to get out.  I thought about what if they could just hit ENTER
and when the QTY field is null it should kick him out, but I get a bizzar
error on the .OnExit event of the Qty Field.  thus I can't exit the form
while it's processing or something like that....

any ideas?.. (yeah I realize that its' 12:00am PST but that's when the mind
is wandering :D)

thanks,



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From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2004 14:22:20 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] AHOO!!!  Got my action pack
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From BBarabash at TappeConstruction.com  Tue Sep  7 13:38:55 2004
From: BBarabash at TappeConstruction.com (Brett Barabash)
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 13:38:55 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] AHOO!!!  Got my action pack
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Um, bless you...

So, what did it include?  I'm hearing mixed reports on its content.  Any
VS.NET stuff?

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Sep  7 12:46:01 2004
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence (AccessD))
Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2004 10:46:01 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Protecting a subform with password
In-Reply-To: <000801c494de$0ff1c550$0100a8c0@KOST36>
Message-ID: <FJEJLIPOMCGJALMGLLLIIEGPCGAA.accessd@shaw.ca>

Hi Kostas:

It is not possible to hide the line of code in an uncompiled DB, (MDB). You
can compile the DB is compiled into a MDE file and therefore blocking
viewing access to all the source.

HTH
Jim

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Konstantinidis
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 6:25 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Protecting a subform with password


Hi group,
thank's all for your response to my question
I tried the follown (which seems to work) and was wondering if it could be
possible and how to hide the line "Level0Pass = "123""
making it unreadable e.g. instead of 123 to appear ***
thank you
kostas

Private Sub Command0_Click()
Dim Green As Boolean, Level0Pass As String, stDocName As String,
stLinkCriteria As String
Level0Pass = "123"
Green = False
 If Pass = Level0Pass Then
    Green = True
 End If
 If Green Then
   stDocName = "MT_entoli"
   stLinkCriteria = "[AM]=" & [Forms]![MT_basic_char]![AM]
   DoCmd.OpenForm stDocName, , , stLinkCriteria
   DoCmd.Close acForm, "P_Form"
 Else
   DoCmd.Close
 End If
End Sub


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From: prodevmg at yahoo.com (Lonnie Johnson)
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 11:47:35 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] AHOO!!!  Got my action pack
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What's the main advantage to having the Action pack?

"John W. Colby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
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From fhtapia at gmail.com  Tue Sep  7 14:05:53 2004
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 12:05:53 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] A2K ideas on Order Entry
In-Reply-To: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8031BB344@main2.marlow.com>
References: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8031BB344@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <b874372a040907120557233f10@mail.gmail.com>

*<phew>* didn't realize what I started... but here goes... Yes my
"ade" is an unbound application it's the FE for a Sql Server Database.
 And While listboxes get bound, many other items are populated via ado
recordsets to unbound controls.  It has been the best approach because
it is an ADP.

I was really trying to think of a cleaner approach to this screen w/
Order Entry...

where The form has critical information for the parties at hand, and
then the lineitems are listed below, but if the popup form is open,
and the user hits enter while in the qty box and exits it, I'd like to
make it so that the popup box closes automatically if there is NO data
in that field.

I tried a simple docmd.close in the textbox's OnExit event but keep
comming up w/ an error...

and if this was also considered a messy approach, perhaps streamlining it?


On Tue, 7 Sep 2004 11:32:20 -0500, dwutka at marlow.com <dwutka at marlow.com> wrote:
> I was referring to unbound forms because in the business logic structures I
> have built, the business logic is built into stand along classes.  These
> classes can then be used by any form.  So the classes let the forms
> interact.  Yes, you can put events into bound forms, but you don't have the
> same 'interaction' then.
> 
> For instance, in Francisco's original message, he could get around his
> particular issue by creating an event for his main form, which he can sink
> into his popup form, so when he triggers that event, the popup form receives
> it, and acts appropriately.
> 
> In my case, I built the entire structure that way, so one interaction is
> seen by all that need it.
> 
> Here's an example.  I built in Inventory Class.  This class can be used to
> add inventory items, create inventory transactions, modify inventory items,
> etc. etc.  Anything and everything to do with the inventory system required
> by the business logic.  So now I build a few forms.  One to add/modify
> inventory items (not actual transactions, but item definitions), on for
> inventory transactions.  Now I also have a Site class (where inventory
> goes/comes from, during transactions).  Same principle, it handles all of
> the interactions with Sites.  The inventory transaction form uses both the
> Inventory class and the Site class.  There is also a Site Add/Edit form.
> All three forms work independantly, however, due to the events within the
> classes, when something is done that 'could' affect another class, then
> events are raised, and any open form that uses that class is notified.
> 
> I know this could still be done strictly with bound forms, but I think the
> unbound approach is cleaner.  In the example above, I would need to
> reference two forms, to capture any/all changes to the inventory (and if I'm
> making a third form, I would have to go back and modify the first two forms
> to handle the third), where as the central class method handles it all by
> itself.  No going back to modify other forms, new forms can be built
> whenever needed, and all of the existing forms need not be aware of them,
> since they all work off of the same Inventory object.
> 
> Okay, nuff said, cause we don't need another bound/unbound discussion.
> 
> Drew
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John W. Colby
> Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 10:18 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K ideas on Order Entry
> 
> Drew,
> 
> I most appreciate your observations re classes and events, but it is
> unhelpful to cast them in the light of unbound forms.  Any class can
> generate a custom event (even a form's class), they can do so without forms
> even being involved, and they can do so to manage a bound form as easily as
> an unbound form.
> 
> But yes, your observations re transmitting messages to other classes (and
> forms) is right on target.  Way cool.
> 
> I use a set of classes to handle logging process messages to disk.  Have you
> ever looked at SQL Server's log, or windows startup log?  Very handy to
> troubleshoot what's going on when something fails.  I have a set of classes
> that listens for an event (on a message channel in my case).  If they
> receive that message (sink an event and the message is for it), the class
> logs the message content into a disk file.
> 
> I use exactly the same process to log process status to tables when my
> program needs to monitor process status.  A set of classes monitors a
> message channel (sinks an event for a message class instance) and if the
> message is for that class, writes the message content to a table.
> 
> Using "loggers" in this fashion allows my programs to log processes without
> each piece having to know how to log to a disk file or log to a table.  It
> simply calls a message class instance method and passes a to:, subject:, and
> message: and the logger handles the rest.  I can have multiple logger
> instances, one each process that needs logging, each instance knows it's
> disk file name or table name and logs to the right place.
> 
> In fact I also use the message class for inter-form and inter-process
> communications inside an application.  Once you have a message class built,
> it is trivial to pass messages to any other class (only classes can sink
> events).  My framework automatically starts one general purpose message
> class so that is a known entity sure to exist.  Any process can send a
> message on that message instance.  If a process needs it's own message
> channel for some reason, it can ask the framework to open another instance
> (stored in a collection by message channel name) and pass back a pointer to
> that channel instance.  Now any set of classes involved in that process go
> get a pointer to that message channel instance and use that as a private
> message channel.
> 
> Custom events allow processes to be "black box", do their thing, and
> broadcast an event when some thing happens.  That is extremely useful in
> interface design since it isolates classes.  The matching part (or parts)
> don't have to be running to test, different parts can sink the events in
> different situations etc.
> 
> This stuff is way cool.
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of DWUTKA at marlow.com
> Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 10:12 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K ideas on Order Entry
> 
> The beauty of unbound forms, with custom classes handling your processes, is
> the ability to create your own events.  I have built several projects where
> the forms display data based upon Global Class Objects, which interact
> through events.  For example, I have an Inventory object, that has an
> 'inventory changed' event.  Whenever something happens to the inventory
> (which is done through this class), it raises that event, and all open forms
> that have are using this class receive that event, and thus update
> themselves with the new information.
> 
> Yes, it takes a little longer to set something like that up, but it is
> extraordinarily handy as you build more complex and 'smarter' applications.
> 
> Drew
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Francisco Tapia
> Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2004 1:53 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] A2K ideas on Order Entry
> 
> Brainstorming here:
> 
> I have a parent form which houses important order entry information such as
> Billto/Shipto, PO#, SO#, and Notes... along with that I have a listbox (but
> have been working on a readonly subform datasheet view).
> 
> Users currently go into a popup window box to add new lineitems to this
> order.  However... I'd like to control where the popup box hovers over...
> meaning allowing for the subform to be viewable while the popup form is on
> the screen.  This allows ME to refresh the subform to display the newly
> entered items.
> 
> now currently while in the popup mode, I've made it so that as soon as one
> line entry is complete, the form display clears out to allow another entry,
> and thus all the data entry guy has to do is key in the new qty etc. for his
> order.  but once he is done, I use a keypreview to capture the ESC key to
> allow them to get out.  I thought about what if they could just hit ENTER
> and when the QTY field is null it should kick him out, but I get a bizzar
> error on the .OnExit event of the Qty Field.  thus I can't exit the form
> while it's processing or something like that....
> 
> any ideas?.. (yeah I realize that its' 12:00am PST but that's when the mind
> is wandering :D)
> 
> thanks,
> 


-- 
-Francisco


From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Tue Sep  7 14:04:13 2004
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (DWUTKA at marlow.com)
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 14:04:13 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] A2K ideas on Order Entry
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8031BB349@main2.marlow.com>

Oh, good point.  I've only had one cup of coffee this morning, so I'm a
little out of it still! <grin>

Yes, you could use a bound form, and still trigger from a global class.  It
is still a little more 'backwords' work though, because then the form has to
capture what is done on it, and send it to the global class, versus letting
the global class do all of the work, and send it out as an event.  Just two
different approaches.

Ironically, the initial concept of the Inventory system I spoke of was going
to be VB 6.0, until the very last minute, when the contractor I work for
decided he wanted to be able to make changes of his own, so he insisted on
Access 2000.  Ugh.  Would have prefered VB 6.0, so instead, he got a VERY
heavily coded Access 2000 app. <grin>

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 12:58 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K ideas on Order Entry


Drew,

I understand what you are saying but there is no reason a bound form cannot
use (reference) those same business classes.  That's all I'm saying.  It has
absolutely nothing to do with bound / unbound.  I (mostly) use bound forms.
But I routinely reference business classes from those forms.  The form's
class references the class Withevents and can now sink events from that
class if it needs to.

If a new form needs to receive messages from that class then it simply gets
a pointer to that class instance.  By dimming the class global in a module
(and initializing it there) ANY form (or any class, since a form is just a
class after all) can grab a pointer to the class and sink any events
broadcast by that class.  

You didn't say whether these unbound forms are getting a pointer to an
instance of a single (global) class or dimming an instance of the class in
each form.  Either way, a bound form can do exactly the same things.  If a
business class instance is created for each form then a message channel such
as I described previously allows intercommunication.  The business class
instance sends a message on the (global) message channel.  If a global
business class instance is used by all forms, then each form grabs a pointer
to the global class instance directly and calls methods of the class to
inform the class (other users of the class) that it has manipulated data,
and sinks it's events to determine that other forms have manipulated data.
Either way, bound or unbound doesn't matter.  

I agree, this is not about bound vs unbound, but rather whether the same
concepts can be applied or used and they most certainly can.  I simply don't
want our members saying "oh, I'm using bound so I can't use that idea".  Of
course they can, I do every day.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of DWUTKA at marlow.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 12:32 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K ideas on Order Entry


I was referring to unbound forms because in the business logic structures I
have built, the business logic is built into stand along classes.  These
classes can then be used by any form.  So the classes let the forms
interact.  Yes, you can put events into bound forms, but you don't have the
same 'interaction' then.

For instance, in Francisco's original message, he could get around his
particular issue by creating an event for his main form, which he can sink
into his popup form, so when he triggers that event, the popup form receives
it, and acts appropriately.

In my case, I built the entire structure that way, so one interaction is
seen by all that need it.

Here's an example.  I built in Inventory Class.  This class can be used to
add inventory items, create inventory transactions, modify inventory items,
etc. etc.  Anything and everything to do with the inventory system required
by the business logic.  So now I build a few forms.  One to add/modify
inventory items (not actual transactions, but item definitions), on for
inventory transactions.  Now I also have a Site class (where inventory
goes/comes from, during transactions).  Same principle, it handles all of
the interactions with Sites.  The inventory transaction form uses both the
Inventory class and the Site class.  There is also a Site Add/Edit form. All
three forms work independantly, however, due to the events within the
classes, when something is done that 'could' affect another class, then
events are raised, and any open form that uses that class is notified.

I know this could still be done strictly with bound forms, but I think the
unbound approach is cleaner.  In the example above, I would need to
reference two forms, to capture any/all changes to the inventory (and if I'm
making a third form, I would have to go back and modify the first two forms
to handle the third), where as the central class method handles it all by
itself.  No going back to modify other forms, new forms can be built
whenever needed, and all of the existing forms need not be aware of them,
since they all work off of the same Inventory object.

Okay, nuff said, cause we don't need another bound/unbound discussion.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 10:18 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K ideas on Order Entry


Drew,

I most appreciate your observations re classes and events, but it is
unhelpful to cast them in the light of unbound forms.  Any class can
generate a custom event (even a form's class), they can do so without forms
even being involved, and they can do so to manage a bound form as easily as
an unbound form.

But yes, your observations re transmitting messages to other classes (and
forms) is right on target.  Way cool.

I use a set of classes to handle logging process messages to disk.  Have you
ever looked at SQL Server's log, or windows startup log?  Very handy to
troubleshoot what's going on when something fails.  I have a set of classes
that listens for an event (on a message channel in my case).  If they
receive that message (sink an event and the message is for it), the class
logs the message content into a disk file.

I use exactly the same process to log process status to tables when my
program needs to monitor process status.  A set of classes monitors a
message channel (sinks an event for a message class instance) and if the
message is for that class, writes the message content to a table.

Using "loggers" in this fashion allows my programs to log processes without
each piece having to know how to log to a disk file or log to a table.  It
simply calls a message class instance method and passes a to:, subject:, and
message: and the logger handles the rest.  I can have multiple logger
instances, one each process that needs logging, each instance knows it's
disk file name or table name and logs to the right place.

In fact I also use the message class for inter-form and inter-process
communications inside an application.  Once you have a message class built,
it is trivial to pass messages to any other class (only classes can sink
events).  My framework automatically starts one general purpose message
class so that is a known entity sure to exist.  Any process can send a
message on that message instance.  If a process needs it's own message
channel for some reason, it can ask the framework to open another instance
(stored in a collection by message channel name) and pass back a pointer to
that channel instance.  Now any set of classes involved in that process go
get a pointer to that message channel instance and use that as a private
message channel.

Custom events allow processes to be "black box", do their thing, and
broadcast an event when some thing happens.  That is extremely useful in
interface design since it isolates classes.  The matching part (or parts)
don't have to be running to test, different parts can sink the events in
different situations etc.

This stuff is way cool.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of DWUTKA at marlow.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 10:12 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K ideas on Order Entry


The beauty of unbound forms, with custom classes handling your processes, is
the ability to create your own events.  I have built several projects where
the forms display data based upon Global Class Objects, which interact
through events.  For example, I have an Inventory object, that has an
'inventory changed' event.  Whenever something happens to the inventory
(which is done through this class), it raises that event, and all open forms
that have are using this class receive that event, and thus update
themselves with the new information.

Yes, it takes a little longer to set something like that up, but it is
extraordinarily handy as you build more complex and 'smarter' applications.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Francisco Tapia
Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2004 1:53 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] A2K ideas on Order Entry


Brainstorming here:

I have a parent form which houses important order entry information such as
Billto/Shipto, PO#, SO#, and Notes... along with that I have a listbox (but
have been working on a readonly subform datasheet view).

Users currently go into a popup window box to add new lineitems to this
order.  However... I'd like to control where the popup box hovers over...
meaning allowing for the subform to be viewable while the popup form is on
the screen.  This allows ME to refresh the subform to display the newly
entered items.

now currently while in the popup mode, I've made it so that as soon as one
line entry is complete, the form display clears out to allow another entry,
and thus all the data entry guy has to do is key in the new qty etc. for his
order.  but once he is done, I use a keypreview to capture the ESC key to
allow them to get out.  I thought about what if they could just hit ENTER
and when the QTY field is null it should kick him out, but I get a bizzar
error on the .OnExit event of the Qty Field.  thus I can't exit the form
while it's processing or something like that....

any ideas?.. (yeah I realize that its' 12:00am PST but that's when the mind
is wandering :D)

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Sep  7 14:14:01 2004
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2004 15:14:01 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] A2K ideas on Order Entry
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Joe,

I have a demo on my site that demonstrates the message channel I referred to
earlier.  I use that class in production software.  A message channel adds a
layer of indirection but is essentially the same concept.

1) The message class is instantiated globally and a function created that
can return a reference to the class.  If you need several different channels
for some reason, the next step is a class that has a collection to hold
instances of the message class and functions to create new message class
instances, store them in the collection, then return pointers to the message
class instances.

2) Either way, a USER of the message class gets a pointer to a specific
message class instance.  The variable that holds the class instance is
dimmed WithEvents.  Once the USER of the message class has the pointer to
the instance, it can call methods of the message class passing:

From:
To:
Subject:
Message:

Looks like an email doesn't it?  Think of it as sending an email to another
process.

So EVERY USER, and by USER I mean classes that need to communicate, gets a
pointer to a message class instance, dimmed Withevents.  The class creates
an event sink that SINKS the event messages.  Think of that as the message
class inbox.  Whenever ANY USER sends a message on the message "channel"
every USER gets the message in it's inbox (the event sink).

Now any user can call a method of the message class sending a message.  Pass
the From, To, Subject and Message.  ALL other USERS get the message.  The
key here is flexibility.  The user can see if it is TO that user, and do
nothing with the message if it isn't, or process the message if it is.

OR... The message receiver can look at just the subject and decide whether
to process or ignore the message.

Etc.

To sum it up, ALL USERS get a pointer to a global instance of a message
class.  Each user sets up an event sink, the inbox.  Any user can transmit a
message by calling a method of the message class.  ALL users get the
message.  The individual users decide how to filter the messages, whether by
"who it's from", "Who it's to", "Subject" etc.  Any or all of the USERS can
process a message, or NONE of them can.  Just depends on the situation and
the programmer's needs.

This concept and this demo neatly shows how withevents work and how powerful
they can be.

I use message channels often in my software.  I already mentioned my disk
and table loggers.  I have also used them for forms such as a calendar that
is loaded and stays open.  The calendar form receives messages "To" it.  The
way I use it is that the message in this case is a pointer to a control to
return the calendar value to.  YES, THIS IS IMPORTANT... The message class
can pass strings, but it can also pass pointers to objects!!!!!  VERY COOL.


So the calendar form unhides itself, grabs the pointer to the control passed
in, stores it temporarily in a control variable, takes user input, and
places the value back in the control that that it was told to modify, sets
the pointer to the control to nothing, then hides itself again.

Classes raising events is so powerful that once you understand how it works
you will forever change the way you design programs.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Joe Rojas
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 1:54 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K ideas on Order Entry


Wow, this stuff sounds pretty cool.
I know that both you and John have talked about classes before but do either
of you have example databases that demonstrate this kind of functionality?

Thanks,
JR

-----Original Message-----
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com]
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 12:32 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K ideas on Order Entry

I was referring to unbound forms because in the business logic structures I
have built, the business logic is built into stand along classes.  These
classes can then be used by any form.  So the classes let the forms
interact.  Yes, you can put events into bound forms, but you don't have the
same 'interaction' then.

For instance, in Francisco's original message, he could get around his
particular issue by creating an event for his main form, which he can sink
into his popup form, so when he triggers that event, the popup form receives
it, and acts appropriately.

In my case, I built the entire structure that way, so one interaction is
seen by all that need it.

Here's an example.  I built in Inventory Class.  This class can be used to
add inventory items, create inventory transactions, modify inventory items,
etc. etc.  Anything and everything to do with the inventory system required
by the business logic.  So now I build a few forms.  One to add/modify
inventory items (not actual transactions, but item definitions), on for
inventory transactions.  Now I also have a Site class (where inventory
goes/comes from, during transactions).  Same principle, it handles all of
the interactions with Sites.  The inventory transaction form uses both the
Inventory class and the Site class.  There is also a Site Add/Edit form. All
three forms work independantly, however, due to the events within the
classes, when something is done that 'could' affect another class, then
events are raised, and any open form that uses that class is notified.

I know this could still be done strictly with bound forms, but I think the
unbound approach is cleaner.  In the example above, I would need to
reference two forms, to capture any/all changes to the inventory (and if I'm
making a third form, I would have to go back and modify the first two forms
to handle the third), where as the central class method handles it all by
itself.  No going back to modify other forms, new forms can be built
whenever needed, and all of the existing forms need not be aware of them,
since they all work off of the same Inventory object.

Okay, nuff said, cause we don't need another bound/unbound discussion.

Drew

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 10:18 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K ideas on Order Entry


Drew,

I most appreciate your observations re classes and events, but it is
unhelpful to cast them in the light of unbound forms.  Any class can
generate a custom event (even a form's class), they can do so without forms
even being involved, and they can do so to manage a bound form as easily as
an unbound form.

But yes, your observations re transmitting messages to other classes (and
forms) is right on target.  Way cool.

I use a set of classes to handle logging process messages to disk.  Have you
ever looked at SQL Server's log, or windows startup log?  Very handy to
troubleshoot what's going on when something fails.  I have a set of classes
that listens for an event (on a message channel in my case).  If they
receive that message (sink an event and the message is for it), the class
logs the message content into a disk file.

I use exactly the same process to log process status to tables when my
program needs to monitor process status.  A set of classes monitors a
message channel (sinks an event for a message class instance) and if the
message is for that class, writes the message content to a table.

Using "loggers" in this fashion allows my programs to log processes without
each piece having to know how to log to a disk file or log to a table.  It
simply calls a message class instance method and passes a to:, subject:, and
message: and the logger handles the rest.  I can have multiple logger
instances, one each process that needs logging, each instance knows it's
disk file name or table name and logs to the right place.

In fact I also use the message class for inter-form and inter-process
communications inside an application.  Once you have a message class built,
it is trivial to pass messages to any other class (only classes can sink
events).  My framework automatically starts one general purpose message
class so that is a known entity sure to exist.  Any process can send a
message on that message instance.  If a process needs it's own message
channel for some reason, it can ask the framework to open another instance
(stored in a collection by message channel name) and pass back a pointer to
that channel instance.  Now any set of classes involved in that process go
get a pointer to that message channel instance and use that as a private
message channel.

Custom events allow processes to be "black box", do their thing, and
broadcast an event when some thing happens.  That is extremely useful in
interface design since it isolates classes.  The matching part (or parts)
don't have to be running to test, different parts can sink the events in
different situations etc.

This stuff is way cool.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of DWUTKA at marlow.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 10:12 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K ideas on Order Entry


The beauty of unbound forms, with custom classes handling your processes, is
the ability to create your own events.  I have built several projects where
the forms display data based upon Global Class Objects, which interact
through events.  For example, I have an Inventory object, that has an
'inventory changed' event.  Whenever something happens to the inventory
(which is done through this class), it raises that event, and all open forms
that have are using this class receive that event, and thus update
themselves with the new information.

Yes, it takes a little longer to set something like that up, but it is
extraordinarily handy as you build more complex and 'smarter' applications.

Drew

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Francisco Tapia
Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2004 1:53 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] A2K ideas on Order Entry


Brainstorming here:

I have a parent form which houses important order entry information such as
Billto/Shipto, PO#, SO#, and Notes... along with that I have a listbox (but
have been working on a readonly subform datasheet view).

Users currently go into a popup window box to add new lineitems to this
order.  However... I'd like to control where the popup box hovers over...
meaning allowing for the subform to be viewable while the popup form is on
the screen.  This allows ME to refresh the subform to display the newly
entered items.

now currently while in the popup mode, I've made it so that as soon as one
line entry is complete, the form display clears out to allow another entry,
and thus all the data entry guy has to do is key in the new qty etc. for his
order.  but once he is done, I use a keypreview to capture the ESC key to
allow them to get out.  I thought about what if they could just hit ENTER
and when the QTY field is null it should kick him out, but I get a bizzar
error on the .OnExit event of the Qty Field.  thus I can't exit the form
while it's processing or something like that....

any ideas?.. (yeah I realize that its' 12:00am PST but that's when the mind
is wandering :D)

thanks,



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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Sep  7 14:24:54 2004
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2004 15:24:54 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] AHOO!!!  Got my action pack
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I'll send a message tonight with the disk names.  Basically 2003 stuff
mostly.  LOTS of various servers.  NO enterprise versions.  8-(

There are about 20-30 disks plus what look like training CDs.  I haven't
loaded any of it yet since I have to do work and this is (for now) play.

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brett Barabash
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 2:39 PM
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Subject: RE: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack


Um, bless you...

So, what did it include?  I'm hearing mixed reports on its content.  Any
VS.NET stuff?

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I just got my MS Action pack, very nice.  So much to know, so little time.

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From fhtapia at gmail.com  Tue Sep  7 15:29:37 2004
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 13:29:37 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Prompt after Form loads
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	<8444881516.20040901205336@cactus.dk>
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	<b874372a04090409085a33553a@mail.gmail.com>
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This solution of adding the function as the data source for the record
worked as I had wanted.  Thanks for following up w/ me on this.  I had
some code running off a timer on other forms that I've been able to
convert because of this solution thanks :D



On Sat, 4 Sep 2004 09:08:30 -0700, Francisco Tapia <fhtapia at gmail.com> wrote:
> I will try this solution later... thanks :D
> 
> 
> On Thu, 2 Sep 2004 10:35:14 +0200, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
> > Hi Francisco
> >
> > > I tried the counter solution, and it fires before the form is "visible"
> >
> > You are right, missed that, but here is how to do this without the
> > Timer:
> >
> > First, create this function in the subform:
> >
> > Private Function ShowAtOpen()
> >
> >   Static booOpened  As Boolean
> >
> >   If booOpened = False Then
> >     ' Replace with your code.
> >     MsgBox "Load?", vbQuestion, "Francisco"
> >     ' Run only once.
> >     booOpened = True
> >   End If
> >
> > End Function
> >
> > Now, create a textbox in the subform, make it not Visible, and bind it
> > like this:
> >
> > =ShowAtOpen()
> >
> > This will pop the code when the form and the sub have been rendered
> > including controls bound to the recordsource of the form. The only
> > limitation I can see is, that other controls bound to an expression
> > (=something()) may have their values retrieved after the firing of
> > ShowAtOpen.
> >
> > /gustav
> >
> >
> > > On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 20:53:36 +0200, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
> > >> Hi Francisco
> > >>
> > >> > Agreed, I use them as a very last solution.  They do  CAUSE flickers,
> > >> > and they interrupt other process as well.  Such as adverse behavoirs
> > >> > when using a combo bx and you find that your dropdown doesn't stay
> > >> > dropped, because the timer continues to fire off in the background :D
> > >>
> > >> Except in this case ... did you try the counter solution?
> > >> Works excellent here.
> >
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Tue Sep  7 12:03:08 2004
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (DWUTKA at marlow.com)
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 12:03:08 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] Logon/Password Same as Network
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8031BB346@main2.marlow.com>

Just an FYI, I've seen this code before, and it's not quite perfect.  There
are false negatives.  For example, my current password on our network shows
as being 'false' or invalid.  My co-worker's shows true (so the code does
work.).  The reason it fails, is because I use an Ascii character out of the
normal typable range in my password.  That fails on a lot of things that use
API calls to authenticate. (Remote Administrator, by Famatech won't let me
'login' from a remote terminal, if I try to use my normal domain
account....)

Drew

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Heenan,
Lambert
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 11:03 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; 'Nicholson,
Karen'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Logon/Password Same as Network


What's "the password"? Do you mean the logging password used for Access
Security? Why would you want to make this the same as the users LAN login
password? To do so would require your to keep the two synchronized and that
would be a pain. Or do you in fact want to use the "Windows NT Challenge"
process to validate an already logged in user?

All I can say is that Authentication is kinda complex, but take a look here
for an example....

http://vbnet.mvps.org/index.html?code/network/acceptsecuritycontext.htm

Just be sure not to store those passwords anywhere or you will open up a
security hole big enough to drive an 18-wheeler through.

Lambert


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> [SMTP:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Nicholson, Karen
> Sent:	Tuesday, September 07, 2004 11:28 AM
> To:	accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject:	[AccessD] Logon/Password Same as Network
> 
> I know how to grab the logon from the network; is there a way to make
> the password to be the same as the password housed on the network so
> that the user will have the same logon/password?  Thanks!
> 
> Karen Nicholson
> National Laboratory
> Xerox Global Services
> 
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From Oleg_123 at xuppa.com  Tue Sep  7 18:22:25 2004
From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com (Oleg_123 at xuppa.com)
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 19:22:25 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Import columns
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Hi Gustav
I envy you :))
Unfortanetely, i had used my old code (which is 5 times longer) one caz I
also have to import to front clumns as well

> Hi Oleg
>
> Assuming that your 12 fields are juxtaposed, why not just loop through
> the records and the fields:
>
> Public Function AppendRecords()
>
>   ' First field of source table to pick data.
>   Const clngRst1Offset As Long = 4  ' Adjust!
>   ' First field of target table to insert data.
>   Const clngRst2Offset As Long = 1  ' Adjust!
>   ' Max count of fields to use in target table.
>   Const clngRst2Max    As Long = 12
>
>   Dim cnn        As ADODB.Connection
>   Dim rst1       As ADODB.Recordset
>   Dim rst2       As ADODB.Recordset
>   Dim strSQL1    As String
>   Dim strSQL2    As String
>   Dim lngField1  As Long
>   Dim lngField2  As Long
>   Dim lngField   As Long
>
>   Set cnn = CurrentProject.Connection
>   Set rst1 = New ADODB.Recordset
>   Set rst2 = New ADODB.Recordset
>
>   strSQL1 = "Select * From Hrsqd"
>   strSQL2 = "Select Top 1 * From Hrsqd_Full"
>
>   rst1.Open strSQL1, cnn, adOpenKeyset, adLockOptimistic,
> adCmdTableDirect rst2.Open strSQL2, cnn, adOpenKeyset,
> adLockOptimistic, adCmdTableDirect
>
>   ' Number of fields to pick from source table.
>   lngField1 = rst1.Fields.Count - clngRst1Offset
>   ' First field in target table to insert data.
>   lngField2 = clngRst2Offset + clngRst2Max - lngField1
>
>   Do While Not rst1.EOF
>     rst2.AddNew
>       For lngField = 0 To lngField1 - 1
>         rst2.Fields(lngField2 + lngField).Value = _
>           rst1.Fields(clngRst1Offset + lngField).Value
>       Next
>     rst2.Update
>     rst1.MoveNext
>   Loop
>
>   rst2.Close
>   rst1.Close
>
>   Set rst2 = Nothing
>   Set rst1 = Nothing
>   Set cnn = Nothing
>
> End Function
>
> /gustav
>
>
>> Hey Group, happy holidays fro those of u in US. I am supposed to count
>> the number of columns and based on the result import the data into a
>> table with month names. The last column always contains December
>> Am I on the right track ?
>> This is what I've done so far ---
>
>> Private Sub Command1_Click()
>> Dim cnn As ADODB.Connection
>> Dim rst1 As New ADODB.Recordset
>> Dim SQL1 As String, SQL2 As String
>> Dim a As Integer 'number of columns
>> Dim b As Integer
>> Dim Jan, Feb, Mar, Apr, May, Jun, Jul, Aug, Sep, Oct, Nov, Dec
>
>> Set cnn = CurrentProject.Connection
>
>> SQL1 = "Select * From Hrsqd"
>> rst1.Open SQL1, cnn, adOpenKeyset, adLockOptimistic, adCmdTableDirect
>
>> a = rst1.Fields.Count 'number of fields
>> b = a - 2 ' number of month fields
>
>
>
>> If b = 6 Then 'Jul - Dec
>> Do Until rst1.EOF
>> Jul = rst1.Fields(3)
>> Aug = rst1.Fields(4)
>> Sep = rst1.Fields(5)
>> Oct = rst1.Fields(6)
>> Nov = rst1.Fields(7)
>> Dec = rst1.Fields(8)
>> Loop
>> End If
>
>> If b = 5 Then 'Aug - Dec
>> Do Until rst1.EOF
>> Aug = rst1.Fields(3)
>> Sep = rst1.Fields(4)
>> Oct = rst1.Fields(5)
>> Nov = rst1.Fields(6)
>> Dec = rst1.Fields(7)
>> Loop
>> End If
>
>> If b = 4 Then 'Sep - Dec
>> Do Until rst1.EOF
>> Sep = rst1.Fields(3)
>> Oct = rst1.Fields(4)
>> Nov = rst1.Fields(5)
>> Dec = rst1.Fields(6)
>> Loop
>> End If
>
>> rst1.Close
>
>> SQL2 = "INSERT Into HRSQD_Full (Jan, Feb, Mar, Apr, May, Jun, Jul,
>> Aug, Sep, Oct, Nov, Dec) Values (" & Jan & "," & Feb & "," & Mar & ","
>> & Apr & "," & May & "," & Jun & "," & Jul & "," & Aug & "," & Sep &
>> "," & Oct & "," & Nov & "," & Dec & ")"
>
>> MsgBox a
>
>> End Sub
>
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From Oleg_123 at xuppa.com  Tue Sep  7 18:35:38 2004
From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com (Oleg_123 at xuppa.com)
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 19:35:38 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [AccessD] transferring text file
In-Reply-To: <b874372a040907060249eb1dbc@mail.gmail.com>
References: <003901c494ba$474923a0$de1118ac@D8TZHN0J>
	<413E0DDB.26661.10EF57B7@lexacorp.com.pg>
	<b874372a040907060249eb1dbc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3357.24.187.37.126.1094600138.squirrel@heck.xuppa.com>

Hello Group, I need  either transfer txt file to a table either
everything(first 2 columns in a text format)
or if possible to to transfer first 2 columns in a text format, skip
columns 3-8, and then column 9 and everything else. (There is no fixed
number of fields(columns) in the text file  it varies from 9 to 20)
I tried with a macro (but i can't do specifications since i dom't know how
columns there'll be) but it for some reason wants to transfer first second
column as number (when its clearly text) thus loosing a lot of data. I got
this so far, not sure what's next ---

Private Sub Command4_Click()
    On Error Resume Next

Dim fs As New Scripting.FileSystemObject
Dim ts As Scripting.TextStream
Dim gOut As Outlook.Application
Dim mOut As Outlook.MailItem
Dim strLine As String
Dim aRecord

If fs.FileExists("C:\Hrsqd.txt") Then
    MsgBox "Exists"
        Set ts = fs.OpenTextFile("C:\Hrsqd.txt", ForReading)
        Do Until ts.AtEndOfStream
            strLine = ts.ReadLine
            aRecord = Split(strLine, ",")
        Loop
Else
    MsgBox "Doesn't Exist"

    End If
End Sub


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From donald.a.Mcgillivray at mail.sprint.com  Tue Sep  7 19:36:46 2004
From: donald.a.Mcgillivray at mail.sprint.com (Mcgillivray, Donald [ITS])
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 19:36:46 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Synchronizing Subform to Main form based on a date
Message-ID: <988E2AC88CCB54459286C4077DB662F50129DBA5@PDAWB03C.ad.sprint.com>

I'm pulling my hair out on this one.

I have a simple main form with two unbound combos, one for a location
and the other for a date.  The RowSource for the location combo is a
table that contains a record for each location - pulling the PK in
column 1 and Name in column 2 from that table.  Column 1 is bound and
its width set to 0 so that only the name displays.  The RowSource for
the date combo is a summary query pulling from a transaction table with
column 1 equal to Int(MyDateFromTrxTable) and column 2 equal to
Format(MyDateFromTrxTable,"mm/dd/yyyy").  The query is grouped on column
1 so that only one row for each date appears.  Column 1 is bound and
width set to 0 so that only the formatted dates appear.

I'm having trouble getting a simple subform ([Location], Int([Date]),
[ItemDetail]) to synchronize with the main form.  Using the location and
date values, the only way I've been able to get it to work is to expose
the first column of the date combo by setting its width to something
other than zero.  Of course, I don't want the date serial number to be
displayed on the form - just the formatted date.  

Note that I have restricted both the bound column of the combo and the
corresponding value in the subform to just the integer portion of the
date.  Thus, I don't think this is a matter of trying to match a
"date-only" value against a "date-with-time" value.

I work with subforms like this all the time, though I don't think I've
ever attempted to use a date value as part of the link.  Is there some
esoteric quality of date values that I need to know about here?  Anybody
have a clue about why this won't work as advertised?

Thanks!

Don McGillivray


From artful at rogers.com  Tue Sep  7 20:40:05 2004
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 21:40:05 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Syntax question about control references
In-Reply-To: <EBEA2FA1665EDA40A600D92C87B9B4CE020C3B@snowmass.quiznos.net>
Message-ID: <01c401c49544$c4441f10$6501a8c0@rock>

Works like a charm, Chris! Thanks. 

Now I just have the remaining and strictly cosmetic problem, but the
interface screams out for it, and if I could deliver it I know the users
would have spiritual orgasms.

The way is datasheet form is currently laid out, the column
corresponding to today is positioned at the extreme right of the visible
part of the form. Column 1 of the form is invisible. Column 2 is frozen.
I would LOVE to somehow scroll the columns so that the column selected
using your code is the first visible scrollable column. Is horizontal
scrolling somehow programmable?

Thanks again. Two clean lines of yours plus a Dim of mine and it's
smooth as glass.

Arthur

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mackin,
Christopher
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 11:17 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Syntax question about control references


strCtlName = CStr(eom(date))
Me(strCtlName).SetFocus 

Should work.

-Chris Mackin



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Sep  7 23:01:46 2004
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 00:01:46 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] AHOO!!!  Got my action pack
In-Reply-To: <20040907184735.64356.qmail@web20423.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000e01c49558$93bb8fe0$80b3fea9@ColbyM6805>

The action pack is a deal MS offers developers or companies that develop for
or sell MS stuff.  For $300-400 they give you a ton of the latest software
and 10 licenses for all of it.  You are allowed to use it in house, but not
sell it or install it on any client machines.  It includes:

Office Professional 2003
Office Publisher 2003
Office Frontpage 2003
Office Visio Professional 2003
Office Project Professional 2003
Business contact Manager for Outlook 2003
Office OneNote 2003
MapPoint 2004 Standard Edition
Windows XP Professional
Virtual PC 2004
Office Infopath 2003
Business Solutions CRM Professional
Windows Server 2003 Standard Edition
Windows Server 2003 Web Edition
Exchange Server 2003 Enterprise Edition
Office Project Server 2003
Office Sharepoint Server 2003
Office Live Communications Server 2003
SQL Server 2000 Standard Edition (damn!)
SQL Server 2000 Service Pack 3a
SQL Server Reporting Services
Mobile Information Server 2002
Swindows Sharepoint Services Standard 2003
Windows Small Business Server 2003 Premium Edition

What is all this stuff you may ask.  No idea.

The package appears to also come with some kind of training CD for each ofr
these things.  No books, must all be on CD.  A neat little (BIG) organizer
size canvas folder to hold the disks.  Nothing to hold the training
materials (C'mon MS, another folder to hold that and the sleeves hole
punched would have made it so much more professional).

http://members.microsoft.com/partner/salesmarketing/partnermarket/actionpack
/actionpackus.aspx

Watch for wrap.

I had been looking at this package for awhile in order to bring my office
into the modern age (as defined by MS).  

So there you have it.  A lot of stuff for a medium price (one year license
though!).  But it gives you 10 licenses.  I can put XP on all my desktops,
Server 2003 on both my new "server" machines, look at and possibly use
Office 2003 on my machines etc.  I have a home office with 2 "server class"
machines and 2 desktop machines, plus one modern laptop and an old POS
laptop that I am currently re-installing Win2K Pro on.  Being able to get a
consistent platform on everything might be nice.

I had hoped to see 64bit OS and SQL Server included - they apparently do
exists, but not in here.  8-(

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lonnie Johnson
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 2:48 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack


What's the main advantage to having the Action pack?

"John W. Colby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
I just got my MS Action pack, very nice. So much to know, so little time.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 




From bchacc at san.rr.com  Wed Sep  8 00:06:35 2004
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 22:06:35 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] AHOO!!!  Got my action pack
References: <000e01c49558$93bb8fe0$80b3fea9@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <057e01c49561$9d9328d0$6601a8c0@HAL9002>

John:

Thanks for the rundown.  I've being trying to decide between that and the
partner program.  This one looks god.  Except what's that about a one-year
license.  Does your copy of Office 2003 crap out after one year?

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John W. Colby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 9:01 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack


> The action pack is a deal MS offers developers or companies that develop
for
> or sell MS stuff.  For $300-400 they give you a ton of the latest software
> and 10 licenses for all of it.  You are allowed to use it in house, but
not
> sell it or install it on any client machines.  It includes:
>
> Office Professional 2003
> Office Publisher 2003
> Office Frontpage 2003
> Office Visio Professional 2003
> Office Project Professional 2003
> Business contact Manager for Outlook 2003
> Office OneNote 2003
> MapPoint 2004 Standard Edition
> Windows XP Professional
> Virtual PC 2004
> Office Infopath 2003
> Business Solutions CRM Professional
> Windows Server 2003 Standard Edition
> Windows Server 2003 Web Edition
> Exchange Server 2003 Enterprise Edition
> Office Project Server 2003
> Office Sharepoint Server 2003
> Office Live Communications Server 2003
> SQL Server 2000 Standard Edition (damn!)
> SQL Server 2000 Service Pack 3a
> SQL Server Reporting Services
> Mobile Information Server 2002
> Swindows Sharepoint Services Standard 2003
> Windows Small Business Server 2003 Premium Edition
>
> What is all this stuff you may ask.  No idea.
>
> The package appears to also come with some kind of training CD for each
ofr
> these things.  No books, must all be on CD.  A neat little (BIG) organizer
> size canvas folder to hold the disks.  Nothing to hold the training
> materials (C'mon MS, another folder to hold that and the sleeves hole
> punched would have made it so much more professional).
>
>
http://members.microsoft.com/partner/salesmarketing/partnermarket/actionpack
> /actionpackus.aspx
>
> Watch for wrap.
>
> I had been looking at this package for awhile in order to bring my office
> into the modern age (as defined by MS).
>
> So there you have it.  A lot of stuff for a medium price (one year license
> though!).  But it gives you 10 licenses.  I can put XP on all my desktops,
> Server 2003 on both my new "server" machines, look at and possibly use
> Office 2003 on my machines etc.  I have a home office with 2 "server
class"
> machines and 2 desktop machines, plus one modern laptop and an old POS
> laptop that I am currently re-installing Win2K Pro on.  Being able to get
a
> consistent platform on everything might be nice.
>
> I had hoped to see 64bit OS and SQL Server included - they apparently do
> exists, but not in here.  8-(
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lonnie Johnson
> Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 2:48 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack
>
>
> What's the main advantage to having the Action pack?
>
> "John W. Colby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
> I just got my MS Action pack, very nice. So much to know, so little time.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
>
> -- 
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> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>



From d.dick at uws.edu.au  Wed Sep  8 00:57:21 2004
From: d.dick at uws.edu.au (Darren DICK)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 15:57:21 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Used to work - now it errors
Message-ID: <001a01c49568$b4b20700$4a619a89@DDICK>

Hello all
This used to work now I get Run Time Error 13 - Type Mismatch
Then the debugger yellows out the "Set rst" line

Any suggestions
Dao 3.6 is referenced 


Dim dbs As Database 
rst As Recordset
iBookingID As Integer

    Set dbs = CurrentDb
    iBookingID = [Forms]![frmBookings].[BookingID]
    
===> this line fails    Set rst = dbs.OpenRecordset("SELECT
[People].[PersonID] FROM People INNER JOIN BookingPeople ON
BookingPeople.PersonID = People.PersonID WHERE not isnull([EmailAddress])
and BookingID = " & iBookingID & ";", dbOpenDynaset)

Many thanks in advance

Have a great day

Darren




From d.dick at uws.edu.au  Wed Sep  8 01:29:35 2004
From: d.dick at uws.edu.au (Darren DICK)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 16:29:35 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Used to work - now it errors SOLVED
In-Reply-To: <001a01c49568$b4b20700$4a619a89@DDICK>
Message-ID: <001b01c4956d$35c28190$4a619a89@DDICK>

Moved DAO above ADO in the ref list now it works <sigh>
Now time to go and see what ADO stuff fails :-((

Thanks y'all

DD




-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darren DICK
Sent: Wednesday, 8 September 2004 3:57 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Used to work - now it errors


Hello all
This used to work now I get Run Time Error 13 - Type Mismatch Then the
debugger yellows out the "Set rst" line

Any suggestions
Dao 3.6 is referenced 


Dim dbs As Database 
rst As Recordset
iBookingID As Integer

    Set dbs = CurrentDb
    iBookingID = [Forms]![frmBookings].[BookingID]
    
===> this line fails    Set rst = dbs.OpenRecordset("SELECT
[People].[PersonID] FROM People INNER JOIN BookingPeople ON
BookingPeople.PersonID = People.PersonID WHERE not isnull([EmailAddress])
and BookingID = " & iBookingID & ";", dbOpenDynaset)

Many thanks in advance

Have a great day

Darren


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From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Sep  8 01:57:26 2004
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 08:57:26 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Used to work - now it errors
In-Reply-To: <001a01c49568$b4b20700$4a619a89@DDICK>
References: <001a01c49568$b4b20700$4a619a89@DDICK>
Message-ID: <48569739.20040908085726@cactus.dk>

Hi Darren

Specify what your intent is:

  Dim dbs As DAO.Database
  Dim rst As DAO.Recordset

Then the order of references doesn't matter.

/gustav

> This used to work now I get Run Time Error 13 - Type Mismatch
> Then the debugger yellows out the "Set rst" line

> Any suggestions
> Dao 3.6 is referenced 


> Dim dbs As Database 
> rst As Recordset



From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Wed Sep  8 02:15:04 2004
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 08:15:04 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Synchronizing Subform to Main form based on a date
In-Reply-To: <988E2AC88CCB54459286C4077DB662F50129DBA5@PDAWB03C.ad.sprint.com>
Message-ID: <000401c49573$909ef250$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25>

Just a thought Donald but if you placed a hidden calc'd control on the main
form with =YourDateCombo.Column(0) and put in that in your linking fields
would that help?

-- Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Mcgillivray, Donald [ITS]
> Sent: 08 September 2004 01:37
> To: AccessD
> Subject: [AccessD] Synchronizing Subform to Main form based on a date
> 
> 
> I'm pulling my hair out on this one.
> 
> I have a simple main form with two unbound combos, one for a 
> location and the other for a date.  The RowSource for the 
> location combo is a table that contains a record for each 
> location - pulling the PK in column 1 and Name in column 2 
> from that table.  Column 1 is bound and its width set to 0 so 
> that only the name displays.  The RowSource for the date 
> combo is a summary query pulling from a transaction table 
> with column 1 equal to Int(MyDateFromTrxTable) and column 2 
> equal to Format(MyDateFromTrxTable,"mm/dd/yyyy").  The query 
> is grouped on column 1 so that only one row for each date 
> appears.  Column 1 is bound and width set to 0 so that only 
> the formatted dates appear.
> 
> I'm having trouble getting a simple subform ([Location], Int([Date]),
> [ItemDetail]) to synchronize with the main form.  Using the 
> location and date values, the only way I've been able to get 
> it to work is to expose the first column of the date combo by 
> setting its width to something other than zero.  Of course, I 
> don't want the date serial number to be displayed on the form 
> - just the formatted date.  
> 
> Note that I have restricted both the bound column of the 
> combo and the corresponding value in the subform to just the 
> integer portion of the date.  Thus, I don't think this is a 
> matter of trying to match a "date-only" value against a 
> "date-with-time" value.
> 
> I work with subforms like this all the time, though I don't 
> think I've ever attempted to use a date value as part of the 
> link.  Is there some esoteric quality of date values that I 
> need to know about here?  Anybody have a clue about why this 
> won't work as advertised?
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Don McGillivray
> -- 
> _______________________________________________
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> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/a> ccessd
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> http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 
> 



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Sep  8 02:45:33 2004
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 03:45:33 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] AHOO!!!  Got my action pack
In-Reply-To: <057e01c49561$9d9328d0$6601a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <001b01c49577$d3bcd030$80b3fea9@ColbyM6805>

I don't know.  I know that the license "expires" after 1 year, but it
appears that these are just real copies of these various things.  I doubt
they quit working.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
Beach Access Software
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 1:07 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack


John:

Thanks for the rundown.  I've being trying to decide between that and the
partner program.  This one looks god.  Except what's that about a one-year
license.  Does your copy of Office 2003 crap out after one year?

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John W. Colby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 9:01 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack


> The action pack is a deal MS offers developers or companies that 
> develop
for
> or sell MS stuff.  For $300-400 they give you a ton of the latest 
> software and 10 licenses for all of it.  You are allowed to use it in 
> house, but
not
> sell it or install it on any client machines.  It includes:
>
> Office Professional 2003
> Office Publisher 2003
> Office Frontpage 2003
> Office Visio Professional 2003
> Office Project Professional 2003
> Business contact Manager for Outlook 2003
> Office OneNote 2003
> MapPoint 2004 Standard Edition
> Windows XP Professional
> Virtual PC 2004
> Office Infopath 2003
> Business Solutions CRM Professional
> Windows Server 2003 Standard Edition
> Windows Server 2003 Web Edition
> Exchange Server 2003 Enterprise Edition
> Office Project Server 2003
> Office Sharepoint Server 2003
> Office Live Communications Server 2003
> SQL Server 2000 Standard Edition (damn!)
> SQL Server 2000 Service Pack 3a
> SQL Server Reporting Services
> Mobile Information Server 2002
> Swindows Sharepoint Services Standard 2003
> Windows Small Business Server 2003 Premium Edition
>
> What is all this stuff you may ask.  No idea.
>
> The package appears to also come with some kind of training CD for 
> each
ofr
> these things.  No books, must all be on CD.  A neat little (BIG) 
> organizer size canvas folder to hold the disks.  Nothing to hold the 
> training materials (C'mon MS, another folder to hold that and the 
> sleeves hole punched would have made it so much more professional).
>
>
http://members.microsoft.com/partner/salesmarketing/partnermarket/actionpack
> /actionpackus.aspx
>
> Watch for wrap.
>
> I had been looking at this package for awhile in order to bring my 
> office into the modern age (as defined by MS).
>
> So there you have it.  A lot of stuff for a medium price (one year 
> license though!).  But it gives you 10 licenses.  I can put XP on all 
> my desktops, Server 2003 on both my new "server" machines, look at and 
> possibly use Office 2003 on my machines etc.  I have a home office 
> with 2 "server
class"
> machines and 2 desktop machines, plus one modern laptop and an old POS 
> laptop that I am currently re-installing Win2K Pro on.  Being able to 
> get
a
> consistent platform on everything might be nice.
>
> I had hoped to see 64bit OS and SQL Server included - they apparently 
> do exists, but not in here.  8-(
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lonnie 
> Johnson
> Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 2:48 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack
>
>
> What's the main advantage to having the Action pack?
>
> "John W. Colby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
> I just got my MS Action pack, very nice. So much to know, so little 
> time.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
>
> --
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
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>

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From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Sep  8 03:11:52 2004
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 10:11:52 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Broadcast A Message
In-Reply-To: <000001c49501$8e6e8490$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25>
References: <000001c49501$8e6e8490$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25>
Message-ID: <235035100.20040908101152@cactus.dk>

Hi Andy

> Anyone got any info/code to broadcast a message to selected machines/users.
> We've an NT4 server and a Novell server so could use either technology.

Here are two links for Novell:

http://developer.novell.com/support/sample/tids/vbxdssnd/vbxdssnd.htm

http://www.clippings.vivitec.com.au/pp_article_id_8.html

/gustav



From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Sep  8 02:33:13 2004
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 09:33:13 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Syntax question about control references
In-Reply-To: <01c401c49544$c4441f10$6501a8c0@rock>
References: <01c401c49544$c4441f10$6501a8c0@rock>
Message-ID: <662716005.20040908093313@cactus.dk>

Hi Arthur

You could try playing with the GoToPage method:

  Forms("frmYourForm").GoToPage 1, x, 0

where x = ([count of columns to move] + Offset) * [Width of column in twips]

If you succeed somehow please let us know.

/gustav


> The way is datasheet form is currently laid out, the column
> corresponding to today is positioned at the extreme right of the visible
> part of the form. Column 1 of the form is invisible. Column 2 is frozen.
> I would LOVE to somehow scroll the columns so that the column selected
> using your code is the first visible scrollable column. Is horizontal
> scrolling somehow programmable?



From Paul.Rogers at SummitMedia.co.uk  Wed Sep  8 04:02:44 2004
From: Paul.Rogers at SummitMedia.co.uk (Paul Rodgers)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 10:02:44 +0100 
Subject: [AccessD] Cheering up CheckBoxes
Message-ID: <EAF3070ACB1AD81182280002A51EF731192202@s003.wolds.summitmedia.co.uk>

Can a Check Box be brightened up, made bigger, be given a background colour,
any colour, something to make it stand out on the form, please, Experts?
Cheers paul 

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From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Sep  8 04:17:39 2004
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 11:17:39 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Cheering up CheckBoxes
In-Reply-To: <EAF3070ACB1AD81182280002A51EF731192202@s003.wolds.summitmedia.co.uk>
References: <EAF3070ACB1AD81182280002A51EF731192202@s003.wolds.summitmedia.co.uk>
Message-ID: <128982095.20040908111739@cactus.dk>

Hi Paul

Not the checkbox itself but you could put it in front of a slightly
larger quadrate filled with a colour which you turn visible or not.

/gustav


> Can a Check Box be brightened up, made bigger, be given a background colour,
> any colour, something to make it stand out on the form, please, Experts?
> Cheers paul 



From Paul.Rogers at SummitMedia.co.uk  Wed Sep  8 04:30:15 2004
From: Paul.Rogers at SummitMedia.co.uk (Paul Rodgers)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 10:30:15 +0100 
Subject: [AccessD] Cheering up CheckBoxes
Message-ID: <EAF3070ACB1AD81182280002A51EF731192203@s003.wolds.summitmedia.co.uk>

Excellent, Gustav.Thanks, that's a great idea. Many thanks. Cheers paul 

-----Original Message-----
From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk]
Sent: 08 September 2004 10:18
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Cheering up CheckBoxes


Hi Paul

Not the checkbox itself but you could put it in front of a slightly
larger quadrate filled with a colour which you turn visible or not.

/gustav


> Can a Check Box be brightened up, made bigger, be given a background
colour,
> any colour, something to make it stand out on the form, please, Experts?
> Cheers paul 

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From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Sep  8 04:56:48 2004
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 11:56:48 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Synchronizing Subform to Main form based on a date
In-Reply-To: <988E2AC88CCB54459286C4077DB662F50129DBA5@PDAWB03C.ad.sprint.com>
References: <988E2AC88CCB54459286C4077DB662F50129DBA5@PDAWB03C.ad.sprint.com>
Message-ID: <15311331213.20040908115648@cactus.dk>

Hi Donald

Perhaps you need to convert the value from the combobox (which is a
string) to a long as the value for the master field.

[Location], Int([cboCombo2]), ...

/gustav


> I'm pulling my hair out on this one.

> I have a simple main form with two unbound combos, one for a location
> and the other for a date.  The RowSource for the location combo is a
> table that contains a record for each location - pulling the PK in
> column 1 and Name in column 2 from that table.  Column 1 is bound and
> its width set to 0 so that only the name displays.  The RowSource for
> the date combo is a summary query pulling from a transaction table with
> column 1 equal to Int(MyDateFromTrxTable) and column 2 equal to
> Format(MyDateFromTrxTable,"mm/dd/yyyy").  The query is grouped on column
> 1 so that only one row for each date appears.  Column 1 is bound and
> width set to 0 so that only the formatted dates appear.

> I'm having trouble getting a simple subform ([Location], Int([Date]),
> [ItemDetail]) to synchronize with the main form.  Using the location and
> date values, the only way I've been able to get it to work is to expose
> the first column of the date combo by setting its width to something
> other than zero.  Of course, I don't want the date serial number to be
> displayed on the form - just the formatted date.  

> Note that I have restricted both the bound column of the combo and the
> corresponding value in the subform to just the integer portion of the
> date.  Thus, I don't think this is a matter of trying to match a
> "date-only" value against a "date-with-time" value.

> I work with subforms like this all the time, though I don't think I've
> ever attempted to use a date value as part of the link.  Is there some
> esoteric quality of date values that I need to know about here?  Anybody
> have a clue about why this won't work as advertised?

> Thanks!

> Don McGillivray



From ebarro at afsweb.com  Wed Sep  8 08:21:00 2004
From: ebarro at afsweb.com (Eric Barro)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 06:21:00 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] AHOO!!!  Got my action pack
In-Reply-To: <001b01c49577$d3bcd030$80b3fea9@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <DPEGIFJOAFKLEDNNDGHCOEPFHBAA.ebarro@afsweb.com>

What it probably means it that you're going to stop getting update CDs from M$ for any of the products you have licenses for so if they come out with Office 2004 or SQL server 2005 you will have to purchase a separate license if you wanted to use it.

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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 12:46 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack


I don't know.  I know that the license "expires" after 1 year, but it
appears that these are just real copies of these various things.  I doubt
they quit working.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
Beach Access Software
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 1:07 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack


John:

Thanks for the rundown.  I've being trying to decide between that and the
partner program.  This one looks god.  Except what's that about a one-year
license.  Does your copy of Office 2003 crap out after one year?

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John W. Colby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 9:01 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack


> The action pack is a deal MS offers developers or companies that 
> develop
for
> or sell MS stuff.  For $300-400 they give you a ton of the latest 
> software and 10 licenses for all of it.  You are allowed to use it in 
> house, but
not
> sell it or install it on any client machines.  It includes:
>
> Office Professional 2003
> Office Publisher 2003
> Office Frontpage 2003
> Office Visio Professional 2003
> Office Project Professional 2003
> Business contact Manager for Outlook 2003
> Office OneNote 2003
> MapPoint 2004 Standard Edition
> Windows XP Professional
> Virtual PC 2004
> Office Infopath 2003
> Business Solutions CRM Professional
> Windows Server 2003 Standard Edition
> Windows Server 2003 Web Edition
> Exchange Server 2003 Enterprise Edition
> Office Project Server 2003
> Office Sharepoint Server 2003
> Office Live Communications Server 2003
> SQL Server 2000 Standard Edition (damn!)
> SQL Server 2000 Service Pack 3a
> SQL Server Reporting Services
> Mobile Information Server 2002
> Swindows Sharepoint Services Standard 2003
> Windows Small Business Server 2003 Premium Edition
>
> What is all this stuff you may ask.  No idea.
>
> The package appears to also come with some kind of training CD for 
> each
ofr
> these things.  No books, must all be on CD.  A neat little (BIG) 
> organizer size canvas folder to hold the disks.  Nothing to hold the 
> training materials (C'mon MS, another folder to hold that and the 
> sleeves hole punched would have made it so much more professional).
>
>
http://members.microsoft.com/partner/salesmarketing/partnermarket/actionpack
> /actionpackus.aspx
>
> Watch for wrap.
>
> I had been looking at this package for awhile in order to bring my 
> office into the modern age (as defined by MS).
>
> So there you have it.  A lot of stuff for a medium price (one year 
> license though!).  But it gives you 10 licenses.  I can put XP on all 
> my desktops, Server 2003 on both my new "server" machines, look at and 
> possibly use Office 2003 on my machines etc.  I have a home office 
> with 2 "server
class"
> machines and 2 desktop machines, plus one modern laptop and an old POS 
> laptop that I am currently re-installing Win2K Pro on.  Being able to 
> get
a
> consistent platform on everything might be nice.
>
> I had hoped to see 64bit OS and SQL Server included - they apparently 
> do exists, but not in here.  8-(
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lonnie 
> Johnson
> Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 2:48 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack
>
>
> What's the main advantage to having the Action pack?
>
> "John W. Colby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
> I just got my MS Action pack, very nice. So much to know, so little 
> time.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
>
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From kost36 at otenet.gr  Wed Sep  8 08:33:03 2004
From: kost36 at otenet.gr (Kostas Konstantinidis)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 16:33:03 +0300
Subject: [AccessD] Protecting a subform with password
References: <FJEJLIPOMCGJALMGLLLIIEGPCGAA.accessd@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <005601c495a8$6a74f270$0100a8c0@KOST36>

Jim DeMarco and Jim Lawrence,
thank's for your help

Be well
kostas

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim Lawrence (AccessD)" <accessd at shaw.ca>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 8:46 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Protecting a subform with password


> Hi Kostas:
>
> It is not possible to hide the line of code in an uncompiled DB, (MDB). 
> You
> can compile the DB is compiled into a MDE file and therefore blocking
> viewing access to all the source.
>
> HTH
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Kostas
> Konstantinidis
> Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 6:25 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Protecting a subform with password
>
>
> Hi group,
> thank's all for your response to my question
> I tried the follown (which seems to work) and was wondering if it could be
> possible and how to hide the line "Level0Pass = "123""
> making it unreadable e.g. instead of 123 to appear ***
> thank you
> kostas
>
> Private Sub Command0_Click()
> Dim Green As Boolean, Level0Pass As String, stDocName As String,
> stLinkCriteria As String
> Level0Pass = "123"
> Green = False
> If Pass = Level0Pass Then
>    Green = True
> End If
> If Green Then
>   stDocName = "MT_entoli"
>   stLinkCriteria = "[AM]=" & [Forms]![MT_basic_char]![AM]
>   DoCmd.OpenForm stDocName, , , stLinkCriteria
>   DoCmd.Close acForm, "P_Form"
> Else
>   DoCmd.Close
> End If
> End Sub
>
>
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From Jeff at OUTBAKTech.com  Wed Sep  8 09:49:56 2004
From: Jeff at OUTBAKTech.com (Jeff Barrows)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 09:49:56 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] AHOO!!!  Got my action pack
Message-ID: <8DA8776D2F418E46A2A464AC6CE630500326B2@outbaksrv1.outbaktech.com>

Technically, it means is that if you decide NOT to renew your Action Pack Subscription, you agree to remove all of the Action Pack software from any / all of your machines after one year.  But for $199 a year (after the first year), it only makes sense to renew it.
 
 

	-----Original Message----- 
	From: Eric Barro [mailto:ebarro at afsweb.com] 
	Sent: Wed 9/8/2004 8:21 AM 
	To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
	Cc: 
	Subject: RE: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack
	
	

	What it probably means it that you're going to stop getting update CDs from M$ for any of the products you have licenses for so if they come out with Office 2004 or SQL server 2005 you will have to purchase a separate license if you wanted to use it.
	
	---
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	Senior Systems Analyst
	Advanced Field Services
	(208) 772-7060
	http://www.afsweb.com
	
	-----Original Message-----
	From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
	[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John W. Colby
	Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 12:46 AM
	To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
	Subject: RE: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack
	
	
	I don't know.  I know that the license "expires" after 1 year, but it
	appears that these are just real copies of these various things.  I doubt
	they quit working.
	
	John W. Colby
	www.ColbyConsulting.com
	
	-----Original Message-----
	From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
	[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
	Beach Access Software
	Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 1:07 AM
	To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
	Subject: Re: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack
	
	
	John:
	
	Thanks for the rundown.  I've being trying to decide between that and the
	partner program.  This one looks god.  Except what's that about a one-year
	license.  Does your copy of Office 2003 crap out after one year?
	
	Rocky
	
	----- Original Message -----
	From: "John W. Colby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
	To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
	<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
	Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 9:01 PM
	Subject: RE: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack
	
	
	> The action pack is a deal MS offers developers or companies that
	> develop
	for
	> or sell MS stuff.  For $300-400 they give you a ton of the latest
	> software and 10 licenses for all of it.  You are allowed to use it in
	> house, but
	not
	> sell it or install it on any client machines.  It includes:
	>
	> Office Professional 2003
	> Office Publisher 2003
	> Office Frontpage 2003
	> Office Visio Professional 2003
	> Office Project Professional 2003
	> Business contact Manager for Outlook 2003
	> Office OneNote 2003
	> MapPoint 2004 Standard Edition
	> Windows XP Professional
	> Virtual PC 2004
	> Office Infopath 2003
	> Business Solutions CRM Professional
	> Windows Server 2003 Standard Edition
	> Windows Server 2003 Web Edition
	> Exchange Server 2003 Enterprise Edition
	> Office Project Server 2003
	> Office Sharepoint Server 2003
	> Office Live Communications Server 2003
	> SQL Server 2000 Standard Edition (damn!)
	> SQL Server 2000 Service Pack 3a
	> SQL Server Reporting Services
	> Mobile Information Server 2002
	> Swindows Sharepoint Services Standard 2003
	> Windows Small Business Server 2003 Premium Edition
	>
	> What is all this stuff you may ask.  No idea.
	>
	> The package appears to also come with some kind of training CD for
	> each
	ofr
	> these things.  No books, must all be on CD.  A neat little (BIG)
	> organizer size canvas folder to hold the disks.  Nothing to hold the
	> training materials (C'mon MS, another folder to hold that and the
	> sleeves hole punched would have made it so much more professional).
	>
	>
	http://members.microsoft.com/partner/salesmarketing/partnermarket/actionpack
	> /actionpackus.aspx
	>
	> Watch for wrap.
	>
	> I had been looking at this package for awhile in order to bring my
	> office into the modern age (as defined by MS).
	>
	> So there you have it.  A lot of stuff for a medium price (one year
	> license though!).  But it gives you 10 licenses.  I can put XP on all
	> my desktops, Server 2003 on both my new "server" machines, look at and
	> possibly use Office 2003 on my machines etc.  I have a home office
	> with 2 "server
	class"
	> machines and 2 desktop machines, plus one modern laptop and an old POS
	> laptop that I am currently re-installing Win2K Pro on.  Being able to
	> get
	a
	> consistent platform on everything might be nice.
	>
	> I had hoped to see 64bit OS and SQL Server included - they apparently
	> do exists, but not in here.  8-(
	>
	> John W. Colby
	> www.ColbyConsulting.com
	>
	> -----Original Message-----
	> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
	> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lonnie
	> Johnson
	> Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 2:48 PM
	> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
	> Subject: Re: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack
	>
	>
	> What's the main advantage to having the Action pack?
	>
	> "John W. Colby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
	> I just got my MS Action pack, very nice. So much to know, so little
	> time.
	>
	> John W. Colby
	> www.ColbyConsulting.com
	>
	>
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From jimdettman at earthlink.net  Wed Sep  8 10:01:28 2004
From: jimdettman at earthlink.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 11:01:28 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] AHOO!!!  Got my action pack
In-Reply-To: <000801c49507$a0be1ce0$80b3fea9@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <NEBBKADGELICHEJJCKGKMEJMKCAA.jimdettman@earthlink.net>

John,

  I've had an action pack subscription for 4 years now and although it has a
lot of nice stuff, I find it hard to really put any of it to use.  Most of
it is simply overkill for the type of clients I have.

  It really is geared more towards larger Microsoft Partners that would have
one or more full time salesmen pushing products.

Jim Dettman
President,
Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
(315) 699-3443
jimdettman at earthlink.net

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 2:22 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack


I just got my MS Action pack, very nice.  So much to know, so little time.

John W. Colby
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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Wed Sep  8 10:22:14 2004
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 08:22:14 -0700
Subject: Fw: [AccessD] Parts and assemblies design
Message-ID: <013701c495b7$9f0bc900$6601a8c0@HAL9002>

List:

Sorry for the post.  It should be off-line but got bounced.

Philippe:

I responded to your message but the address it was sent to when I hit reply:

Philippe.Pons19_nospam at wanadoo.fr>

had permanent fatal errors.

Below is my reply to you.

Regards,

Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
http://www.e-z-mrp.com



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
To: "Philippe Pons" <Philippe.Pons19_nospam at wanadoo.fr>
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 8:01 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Parts and assemblies design


> Philippe:
>
> In the old DOS days I had a French version.  And a Dutch version as well,
> both through a distributor in Holland.  Right now the only foreign
language
> system is available in is Chinese which we should be releasing next month.
> But I am working on Spanish.
>
> I have set the system up to make it easy to add languages.  There are
tables
> which hold all of the control captions and messages so that adding a
column
> for an additional language is no problem.  I just need to get someone to
> fill in the blanks.
>
> Interested? :)
>
> Regards,
>
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
> http://www.e-z-mrp.com
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Philippe Pons" <Philippe.Pons19_nospam at wanadoo.fr>
> To: <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 6:23 AM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Parts and assemblies design
>
>
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > Has it benn translated into French?
> > Do you sell it in France?
> >
> > Philippe
> >
> > Should you send an answer, please remove _nospam from my @email
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Cc: "Tom Hintz" <SeaHold at aol.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 9:17 PM
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Parts and assemblies design
> >
> >
> > > Eric:
> > >
> > > Shameless plug for my manufacturing system.  You can check it out at
> > > www.ezmrp.com
> > >
> > > It will do the structured bills of material that they need.
> > >
> > > I just added a Capacity Requirements Planning module to the system
which
> > > does not yet show on the web site however.  In the CRP module you
define
> > > work centers and then add routings for each assembly - queue time, set
> up
> > > time and unit run time for each operation.  Although it's not part of
> > their
> > > immediate requirement, as a bonus, the CRP Calculate program will
> > calculate
> > > how much of each work center's capacity is being used every day.
> > >
> > > Once they have that database built, since EZMRP is written in Access,
> and
> > > since the back end is wide open, you could easily write a report in
> their
> > > custom format, although E-Z-MRP does have a traveler report which
shows
> > the
> > > start date for each operation based on a specific work order, that
work
> > > order's due date, and the assembly's lead time and, actually, the
report
> > you
> > > model there looks mostly like an indented bill of materials, which, of
> > > course, E-Z-MRP does.
> > >
> > > Starting with E-Z-MRP's framework might save you a LOT of development
> > time.
> > > (BTW, the audit trail that it produces on each inventory transaction,
to
> > > which you can attach a serial or lot number, also goes along way
towards
> > > satisfying FDA requirements.)
> > >
> > > If you're interested after checking the web site, please contact me
> > off-line
> > > at bchacc at san.rr.com and I'll give you a system to evaluate.  Or call
if
> > you
> > > want to talk about it - 858-259-4334.
> > >
> > > HTH
> > >
> > > Rocky Smolin
> > > Beach Access Software
> > > http://www.e-z-mrp.com
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > From: "Eric Goetz" <EricGoetz at egisystems.com>
> > > To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 11:32 AM
> > > Subject: [AccessD] Parts and assemblies design
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I am working on a database to replace some paper forms. I get the
> > > feeling I'm starting more "from scratch" than I need to. So I thought
> > > I'd ask if anyone knows of any examples of solutions for the following
> > > problem.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > A medical device manufacturer needs to track all the actions performed
> > > on each device as it moves through manufacturing to meet FDA
> > > requirements. The forms are called "travelers." The first traveler
gets
> > > created when the device is built. A new traveler gets created every
time
> > > the device returns from the field (for upgrade or repair.)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > The forms show each part with its revision, part number, lot number,
or
> > > other attribute. There are different attributes for different types of
> > > parts. Such as, software has a checksum, and a revision number while a
> > > relay has does not. Instead, a relay has a lot number.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Here are a couple of my challenges:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I am modeling parts and assemblies, where an assembly is also a part.
As
> > > the devices come back from the field, they may get upgraded with
> > > different parts and assemblies so the hierarchy is flexible. There
seems
> > > to be a many to many relationship between parts and assemblies. So, I
> > > made a basic parts table:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Part { ID, PartNumber, Name } where ID is the primary key
> > >
> > > Sample data:
> > >
> > > { 1, 26.026, Enclosure }
> > >
> > > { 57, 26.002, PCA }
> > >
> > > { 113, 26.100, ECA }
> > >
> > > { 114, 26.098, Xfrm }
> > >
> > > { 115, 26.022, Xfrm }
> > >
> > > { 116, 26.021, Xfrm }
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > And I made another table to hold the many to many assignments between
> > > parts and assemblies.
> > >
> > > AssyPartAssignment { ID, AssyID, PartID, Name } where ID is the
primary
> > > key and AssyID and PartID are foreign keys for the ID in the Part
table.
> > >
> > > Sample data:
> > >
> > > { 1, 113, 57, Controller PCA }
> > >
> > > { 2, 113, 1, ECA Enclosure }
> > >
> > > { 3, 57, 114, Xfrm T1 }
> > >
> > > { 4, 57, 115, Xfrm T2 }
> > >
> > > { 5, 57, 116, Xfrm T3 }
> > >
> > > { 6, 57, 115, Xfrm T4 }
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > The report needs to show this hierarchy.
> > >
> > > 26.100 - ECA
> > >
> > >   26.026 - ECA Enclosure
> > >
> > >     26.002 - Controller PCA
> > >
> > >       26.098 - Xfrm T1
> > >
> > >       26.022 - Xfrm T2
> > >
> > >       26.021 - Xfrm T3
> > >
> > >       26.022 - Xfrm T4
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > The same transformer, 26.022 shows up twice in the PCA assembly.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I'll build more tables for the different attributes of parts, such as,
> > > software with its checksum, and parts that have only lots, and parts
> > > that have revisions and lots. I'll use the ID key from the Part table
as
> > > the primary key for the subtype tables based on the entity
relationship
> > > chapter from the CJDate book.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I need to make the forms to enter these variable hierarchies.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Got any suggestions that might put a little more holiday in my Labor
> > > Day?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Eric
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -- 
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> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
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> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
>



From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Wed Sep  8 10:24:58 2004
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (DWUTKA at marlow.com)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 10:24:58 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] Broadcast A Message
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8031BB34F@main2.marlow.com>

What are the clients running?

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
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Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 12:39 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Broadcast A Message


Hi folks

Anyone got any info/code to broadcast a message to selected machines/users.
We've an NT4 server and a Novell server so could use either technology.

-- Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed Sep  8 10:37:15 2004
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 08:37:15 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] AHOO!!!  Got my action pack
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312A35@infoserver01.infostat.local>

They don't quit working but you no longer have a license for them.  So
if you have to reactivate a product .... :-{

Charlotte


-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 12:46 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack


I don't know.  I know that the license "expires" after 1 year, but it
appears that these are just real copies of these various things.  I
doubt they quit working.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
- Beach Access Software
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 1:07 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack


John:

Thanks for the rundown.  I've being trying to decide between that and
the partner program.  This one looks god.  Except what's that about a
one-year license.  Does your copy of Office 2003 crap out after one
year?

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John W. Colby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 9:01 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack


> The action pack is a deal MS offers developers or companies that
> develop
for
> or sell MS stuff.  For $300-400 they give you a ton of the latest
> software and 10 licenses for all of it.  You are allowed to use it in 
> house, but
not
> sell it or install it on any client machines.  It includes:
>
> Office Professional 2003
> Office Publisher 2003
> Office Frontpage 2003
> Office Visio Professional 2003
> Office Project Professional 2003
> Business contact Manager for Outlook 2003
> Office OneNote 2003
> MapPoint 2004 Standard Edition
> Windows XP Professional
> Virtual PC 2004
> Office Infopath 2003
> Business Solutions CRM Professional
> Windows Server 2003 Standard Edition
> Windows Server 2003 Web Edition
> Exchange Server 2003 Enterprise Edition
> Office Project Server 2003
> Office Sharepoint Server 2003
> Office Live Communications Server 2003
> SQL Server 2000 Standard Edition (damn!)
> SQL Server 2000 Service Pack 3a
> SQL Server Reporting Services
> Mobile Information Server 2002
> Swindows Sharepoint Services Standard 2003
> Windows Small Business Server 2003 Premium Edition
>
> What is all this stuff you may ask.  No idea.
>
> The package appears to also come with some kind of training CD for
> each
ofr
> these things.  No books, must all be on CD.  A neat little (BIG)
> organizer size canvas folder to hold the disks.  Nothing to hold the 
> training materials (C'mon MS, another folder to hold that and the 
> sleeves hole punched would have made it so much more professional).
>
>
http://members.microsoft.com/partner/salesmarketing/partnermarket/action
pack
> /actionpackus.aspx
>
> Watch for wrap.
>
> I had been looking at this package for awhile in order to bring my
> office into the modern age (as defined by MS).
>
> So there you have it.  A lot of stuff for a medium price (one year
> license though!).  But it gives you 10 licenses.  I can put XP on all 
> my desktops, Server 2003 on both my new "server" machines, look at and

> possibly use Office 2003 on my machines etc.  I have a home office 
> with 2 "server
class"
> machines and 2 desktop machines, plus one modern laptop and an old POS
> laptop that I am currently re-installing Win2K Pro on.  Being able to 
> get
a
> consistent platform on everything might be nice.
>
> I had hoped to see 64bit OS and SQL Server included - they apparently
> do exists, but not in here.  8-(
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lonnie
> Johnson
> Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 2:48 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack
>
>
> What's the main advantage to having the Action pack?
>
> "John W. Colby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
> I just got my MS Action pack, very nice. So much to know, so little
> time.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
>
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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Wed Sep  8 10:23:56 2004
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 08:23:56 -0700
Subject: Fw: [AccessD] Parts and assemblies design
Message-ID: <014301c495b7$dbbd8140$6601a8c0@HAL9002>

Oops.  Just saw the nospam thing.  How does that work? (and does it work
well?)

Rocky



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
To: "Philippe Pons" <Philippe.Pons19_nospam at wanadoo.fr>
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 8:01 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Parts and assemblies design


> Philippe:
>
> In the old DOS days I had a French version.  And a Dutch version as well,
> both through a distributor in Holland.  Right now the only foreign
language
> system is available in is Chinese which we should be releasing next month.
> But I am working on Spanish.
>
> I have set the system up to make it easy to add languages.  There are
tables
> which hold all of the control captions and messages so that adding a
column
> for an additional language is no problem.  I just need to get someone to
> fill in the blanks.
>
> Interested? :)
>
> Regards,
>
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
> http://www.e-z-mrp.com
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Philippe Pons" <Philippe.Pons19_nospam at wanadoo.fr>
> To: <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 6:23 AM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Parts and assemblies design
>
>
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > Has it benn translated into French?
> > Do you sell it in France?
> >
> > Philippe
> >
> > Should you send an answer, please remove _nospam from my @email
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Cc: "Tom Hintz" <SeaHold at aol.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 9:17 PM
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Parts and assemblies design
> >
> >
> > > Eric:
> > >
> > > Shameless plug for my manufacturing system.  You can check it out at
> > > www.ezmrp.com
> > >
> > > It will do the structured bills of material that they need.
> > >
> > > I just added a Capacity Requirements Planning module to the system
which
> > > does not yet show on the web site however.  In the CRP module you
define
> > > work centers and then add routings for each assembly - queue time, set
> up
> > > time and unit run time for each operation.  Although it's not part of
> > their
> > > immediate requirement, as a bonus, the CRP Calculate program will
> > calculate
> > > how much of each work center's capacity is being used every day.
> > >
> > > Once they have that database built, since EZMRP is written in Access,
> and
> > > since the back end is wide open, you could easily write a report in
> their
> > > custom format, although E-Z-MRP does have a traveler report which
shows
> > the
> > > start date for each operation based on a specific work order, that
work
> > > order's due date, and the assembly's lead time and, actually, the
report
> > you
> > > model there looks mostly like an indented bill of materials, which, of
> > > course, E-Z-MRP does.
> > >
> > > Starting with E-Z-MRP's framework might save you a LOT of development
> > time.
> > > (BTW, the audit trail that it produces on each inventory transaction,
to
> > > which you can attach a serial or lot number, also goes along way
towards
> > > satisfying FDA requirements.)
> > >
> > > If you're interested after checking the web site, please contact me
> > off-line
> > > at bchacc at san.rr.com and I'll give you a system to evaluate.  Or call
if
> > you
> > > want to talk about it - 858-259-4334.
> > >
> > > HTH
> > >
> > > Rocky Smolin
> > > Beach Access Software
> > > http://www.e-z-mrp.com
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > From: "Eric Goetz" <EricGoetz at egisystems.com>
> > > To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 11:32 AM
> > > Subject: [AccessD] Parts and assemblies design
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I am working on a database to replace some paper forms. I get the
> > > feeling I'm starting more "from scratch" than I need to. So I thought
> > > I'd ask if anyone knows of any examples of solutions for the following
> > > problem.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > A medical device manufacturer needs to track all the actions performed
> > > on each device as it moves through manufacturing to meet FDA
> > > requirements. The forms are called "travelers." The first traveler
gets
> > > created when the device is built. A new traveler gets created every
time
> > > the device returns from the field (for upgrade or repair.)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > The forms show each part with its revision, part number, lot number,
or
> > > other attribute. There are different attributes for different types of
> > > parts. Such as, software has a checksum, and a revision number while a
> > > relay has does not. Instead, a relay has a lot number.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Here are a couple of my challenges:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I am modeling parts and assemblies, where an assembly is also a part.
As
> > > the devices come back from the field, they may get upgraded with
> > > different parts and assemblies so the hierarchy is flexible. There
seems
> > > to be a many to many relationship between parts and assemblies. So, I
> > > made a basic parts table:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Part { ID, PartNumber, Name } where ID is the primary key
> > >
> > > Sample data:
> > >
> > > { 1, 26.026, Enclosure }
> > >
> > > { 57, 26.002, PCA }
> > >
> > > { 113, 26.100, ECA }
> > >
> > > { 114, 26.098, Xfrm }
> > >
> > > { 115, 26.022, Xfrm }
> > >
> > > { 116, 26.021, Xfrm }
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > And I made another table to hold the many to many assignments between
> > > parts and assemblies.
> > >
> > > AssyPartAssignment { ID, AssyID, PartID, Name } where ID is the
primary
> > > key and AssyID and PartID are foreign keys for the ID in the Part
table.
> > >
> > > Sample data:
> > >
> > > { 1, 113, 57, Controller PCA }
> > >
> > > { 2, 113, 1, ECA Enclosure }
> > >
> > > { 3, 57, 114, Xfrm T1 }
> > >
> > > { 4, 57, 115, Xfrm T2 }
> > >
> > > { 5, 57, 116, Xfrm T3 }
> > >
> > > { 6, 57, 115, Xfrm T4 }
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > The report needs to show this hierarchy.
> > >
> > > 26.100 - ECA
> > >
> > >   26.026 - ECA Enclosure
> > >
> > >     26.002 - Controller PCA
> > >
> > >       26.098 - Xfrm T1
> > >
> > >       26.022 - Xfrm T2
> > >
> > >       26.021 - Xfrm T3
> > >
> > >       26.022 - Xfrm T4
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > The same transformer, 26.022 shows up twice in the PCA assembly.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I'll build more tables for the different attributes of parts, such as,
> > > software with its checksum, and parts that have only lots, and parts
> > > that have revisions and lots. I'll use the ID key from the Part table
as
> > > the primary key for the subtype tables based on the entity
relationship
> > > chapter from the CJDate book.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I need to make the forms to enter these variable hierarchies.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Got any suggestions that might put a little more holiday in my Labor
> > > Day?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Eric
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -- 
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> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
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> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
>



From artful at rogers.com  Wed Sep  8 11:31:55 2004
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 12:31:55 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Syntax question about control references
In-Reply-To: <008501c494eb$27dc4930$6401a8c0@default>
Message-ID: <009801c495c1$5ac58f60$6501a8c0@rock>

Hi. No it is not set to continuous forms. (Frankly, except for very
limited situations, I HATE continuous forms, but that's another story.)
It's set for datasheet view. It's easy enough to set the focus to the
desired control, but that's only half what I need. I need to scroll the
form such that the control with focus is in the first unfrozen position.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Michael R
Mattys
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 10:59 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Syntax question about control references



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Arthur Fuller" 


> My form has controls whose names derive from the EoM() of a given 
> date. That is, the end of a month. The control's name will be 
> something such as "12/31/2004", etc. I need to set the focus to the 
> column corresponding to today's date. For the date on which I am 
> writing this message, the correct column is named "9/30/2004".
...
> The EoM() function (which I wrote) returns a date. I need to take this

> value and turn it into a reference to a column, such that I can write:
> 
> Me.columnName.SetFocus

Arthur,

It looks like you mean to say that you have
a subform set to "continuous forms." If that's
the case, you'd say 

Me.SubformName.Form.Controls("EOMDate").SetFocus

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From michael.mattys at adelphia.net  Wed Sep  8 13:06:48 2004
From: michael.mattys at adelphia.net (Michael R Mattys)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 14:06:48 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Syntax question about control references
References: <009801c495c1$5ac58f60$6501a8c0@rock>
Message-ID: <00d801c495ce$a0209cf0$6401a8c0@default>

Arthur,

You can actually move the column to the left by using
DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdFreezeColumn.

If you have other columns that you'd like to the left
of the column with the correct date, you'll have to create
an array of controls in which you'd
SetFocus
DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdFreezeColumn
til they were in the order that you want.

(Otherwise, there are Scroll APIs that you can get
from one of Stephen Lebans creations www.lebans.com)
----

Michael R. Mattys
Mattys MapLib for Microsoft MapPoint
http://www.mattysconsulting.com



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Arthur Fuller" <artful at rogers.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 12:31 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Syntax question about control references


> Hi. No it is not set to continuous forms. (Frankly, except for very
> limited situations, I HATE continuous forms, but that's another story.)
> It's set for datasheet view. It's easy enough to set the focus to the
> desired control, but that's only half what I need. I need to scroll the
> form such that the control with focus is in the first unfrozen position.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Michael R
> Mattys
> Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 10:59 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Syntax question about control references
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Arthur Fuller"
>
>
> > My form has controls whose names derive from the EoM() of a given
> > date. That is, the end of a month. The control's name will be
> > something such as "12/31/2004", etc. I need to set the focus to the
> > column corresponding to today's date. For the date on which I am
> > writing this message, the correct column is named "9/30/2004".
> ...
> > The EoM() function (which I wrote) returns a date. I need to take this
>
> > value and turn it into a reference to a column, such that I can write:
> >
> > Me.columnName.SetFocus
>
> Arthur,
>
> It looks like you mean to say that you have
> a subform set to "continuous forms." If that's
> the case, you'd say
>
> Me.SubformName.Form.Controls("EOMDate").SetFocus
>
> ----
>
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> Mattys MapLib for Microsoft MapPoint
> http://www.mattysconsulting.com
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From awithing at twcny.rr.com  Wed Sep  8 13:10:44 2004
From: awithing at twcny.rr.com (augusta)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 14:10:44 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Shrinking fields in a report
In-Reply-To: <009801c495c1$5ac58f60$6501a8c0@rock>
Message-ID: <200409081810.i88IAlv3020534@ms-smtp-03.nyroc.rr.com>

I have a report that contains basic info - Memname, business name, friends
name, address, and total sum contributed.

In the report I have on the left hand side name, business, friends name. The
middle (ideally on the same line) address, and then alittle over (once again
on the same line) is the Total Sum.

I have set all the fields to shrink, but when there is only a business and
friend name to the record, it does not shrink all the way. But when there is
a Memname and friend name, it does. This is a mystery. Any clues? IS there a
limit to the number of fields that can shrink?

Thanks 

Augusta




From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Sep  8 13:48:19 2004
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 20:48:19 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Determine current page number of report in preview
In-Reply-To: <002301c49418$f3b248d0$d01865cb@winxp>
References: <225449706.20040902101059@cactus.dk>
	<002301c49418$f3b248d0$d01865cb@winxp>
Message-ID: <8143222470.20040908204819@cactus.dk>

Hi A.D.  (warning: long post)

Thanks for the hints and the demo.

It is certainly possible to pick the page number by SendKeys and paste
it into something else like a textbox.

However, the link to Stephen Lebans' site contained the gold nuggets
to achieve this via some API calls. It seems to work even when the
report is minimized (and when in design view it doesn't fail).

At the end, find the code for a complete module including the function

  SetCurrentReportPage()
  
which will both set and get the page number of the current page when a
report is displayed in preview. Also, two demo functions are included.

/gustav


> Gustav,

>     It is observed that events generated by a report opened in
> preview mode, get exhausted in the first forward pass through its
> pages.  

>     As a result, in case of any subsequent navigation through the
> pages already covered, there is no more firing of any event at all.
> Values pertaining to Page and CurrentRecord properties of the report
> remain stuck at the highest value touched (even if the page now
> being viewed is a lower one in the sequence).  

>     In view of the above, any attempt to obtain the current page
> number (in subsequent passes) from code within the report's module,
> gets vitiated on account of non-availability of any event that could
> activate such code. 

>     If your situation permits use of code attached to a form, a
> solution could be worked out, adopting either of the following
> approaches -

>     (a) Combination of SendKeys method along with API calls. It is
> based upon the feature that pressing F5 key in the report preview
> window selects the contents of page counter window at bottom left.

>     (b) Avoiding use of SendKeys by using additional API calls.

>     (In case of (a), the code involved is relatively simple, while
> (b) might need very bulky & tedious code) 

>     I can send you a sample db demonstrating a solution of type (a)
> above. Your eMail address to be used for this purpose, may please be
> advised.  

>     If you are keen to evolve a solution of type (b) above, you
> could get some working ideas from the function  fTurnPage()  at
> Stephan Leban's site.  

> Regards,
> A.D.Tejpal
> --------------

>   ----- Original Message ----- 

>   How do you catch the current page in preview?

>   Access caches pages while you are browsing forward.
>   Fine, but if the user moves (browses) backwards, the Page property stays on the highest number even though the preview displays the correct lower page number.

>   I guess the only chance would be to catch the current page number from the status line of the preview window but I don't know if that is possible.

This is the complete module for Access 97.
Should work for Access 2000+ as well but is not tested.

<code>

Option Compare Database
Option Explicit

' Original code by Stephen Lebans: http://www.lebans.com
' Visit: http://www.lebans.com/Report.htm
'
' 2004-09-08:
'   Modified by Gustav Brock, Cactus Data ApS, CPH.
'   Added functionality for retrieving the current page number.
'   Added simple demo.

' IMPORTANT: Call ResetReportHandles when opening the report!
' Copy this line and paste it into Report_Open:
'
'   Call ResetReportHandles
'
' ---

  Private Type RECTL
     Left   As Long
     Top    As Long
     Right  As Long
     Bottom As Long
  End Type
  
  Private Declare Function FindWindowEx Lib "user32" Alias "FindWindowExA" ( _
    ByVal hWnd1 As Long, _
    ByVal hWnd2 As Long, _
    ByVal lpsz1 As String, _
    ByVal lpsz2 As String) _
    As Long
  
  Private Declare Function SetActiveWindow Lib "user32" ( _
    ByVal hWnd As Long) _
    As Long
  
  Private Declare Function GetWindow Lib "user32" ( _
    ByVal hWnd As Long, _
    ByVal wCmd As Long) _
    As Long
  
  Private Declare Function GetWindowRect Lib "user32" ( _
    ByVal hWnd As Long, _
    ByRef lpRect As RECTL) _
    As Long
  
  Private Declare Function GetWindowText Lib "user32" Alias "GetWindowTextA" ( _
    ByVal hWnd As Long, _
    ByVal lpString As String, _
    ByVal cch As Long) _
    As Long
  
  Private Declare Function GetWindowTextLength Lib "user32" Alias "GetWindowTextLengthA" ( _
    ByVal hWnd As Long) _
    As Long
  
  Private Declare Function SetWindowText Lib "user32" Alias "SetWindowTextA" ( _
    ByVal hWnd As Long, _
    ByVal lpString As String) _
    As Long
    
  Private Declare Function PostMessage Lib "user32" Alias "PostMessageA" ( _
    ByVal hWnd As Long, _
    ByVal wMsg As Long, _
    ByVal wParam As Long, _
    ByVal lParam As Long) _
    As Long
   
  Private Declare Function SendMessage Lib "user32" Alias "SendMessageA" ( _
    ByVal hWnd As Long, _
    ByVal wMsg As Long, _
    ByVal wParam As Long, _
    ByRef lParam As Any) _
    As Long
    
  Private Declare Function MapVirtualKey Lib "user32" Alias "MapVirtualKeyA" ( _
    ByVal wCode As Long, _
    ByVal wMapType As Long) _
    As Long
    
  ' Window messages.
  Private Const WM_ACTIVATE = &H6
  Private Const WM_SETFOCUS = &H7
  Private Const WM_KILLFOCUS = &H8
  Private Const WM_ENABLE = &HA
  Private Const WM_SETREDRAW = &HB
  Private Const WM_SETTEXT = &HC
  Private Const WM_GETTEXT = &HD
  Private Const WM_GETTEXTLENGTH = &HE
  Private Const WM_PAINT = &HF
  Private Const WM_CLOSE = &H10
  Private Const WM_QUERYENDSESSION = &H11
  Private Const WM_QUIT = &H12
  Private Const WM_QUERYOPEN = &H13
  Private Const WM_ERASEBKGND = &H14
  Private Const WM_SYSCOLORCHANGE = &H15
  Private Const WM_ENDSESSION = &H16
  Private Const WM_SHOWWINDOW = &H18
  Private Const WM_WININICHANGE = &H1A
  Private Const WM_DEVMODECHANGE = &H1B
  Private Const WM_ACTIVATEAPP = &H1C
  Private Const WM_FONTCHANGE = &H1D
  Private Const WM_TIMECHANGE = &H1E
  Private Const WM_CANCELMODE = &H1F
  Private Const WM_SETCURSOR = &H20
  Private Const WM_MOUSEACTIVATE = &H21
  Private Const WM_CHILDACTIVATE = &H22
  Private Const WM_QUEUESYNC = &H23
  
  Private Const WM_KEYFIRST = &H100
  Private Const WM_KEYDOWN = &H100
  Private Const WM_KEYUP = &H101
  Private Const WM_CHAR = &H102
  Private Const WM_DEADCHAR = &H103
  Private Const WM_SYSKEYDOWN = &H104
  Private Const WM_SYSKEYUP = &H105
  Private Const WM_SYSCHAR = &H106
  Private Const WM_SYSDEADCHAR = &H107
  Private Const WM_KEYLAST = &H108
  Private Const WM_INITDIALOG = &H110
  Private Const WM_COMMAND = &H111
  Private Const WM_SYSCOMMAND = &H112
  Private Const WM_TIMER = &H113
  Private Const WM_HSCROLL = &H114
  Private Const WM_VSCROLL = &H115
  Private Const WM_INITMENU = &H116
  Private Const WM_INITMENUPOPUP = &H117
  Private Const WM_MENUSELECT = &H11F
  Private Const WM_MENUCHAR = &H120
  Private Const WM_ENTERIDLE = &H121
  
  Private Const WM_MOUSEFIRST = &H200
  Private Const WM_MOUSEMOVE = &H200
  Private Const WM_LBUTTONDOWN = &H201
  Private Const WM_LBUTTONUP = &H202
  Private Const WM_LBUTTONDBLCLK = &H203
  Private Const WM_RBUTTONDOWN = &H204
  Private Const WM_RBUTTONUP = &H205
  Private Const WM_RBUTTONDBLCLK = &H206
  Private Const WM_MBUTTONDOWN = &H207
  Private Const WM_MBUTTONUP = &H208
  Private Const WM_MBUTTONDBLCLK = &H209
  Private Const WM_MOUSELAST = &H209
    
  ' GetWindow() constants.
  Private Const GW_HWNDFIRST = 0
  Private Const GW_HWNDLAST = 1
  Private Const GW_HWNDNEXT = 2
  Private Const GW_HWNDPREV = 3
  Private Const GW_OWNER = 4
  Private Const GW_CHILD = 5
  Private Const GW_MAX = 5
  
  ' Other constants.
  Private Const HTCLIENT = 1
  
  ' Private variables.
  ' Can (and must) be reset externally by calling sub
  ' ResetReportHandles
  Private hWndChild  As Long
  Private hWndOSUI   As Long
  
Private Function MakeDWord( _
  ByVal loword As Integer, _
  ByVal hiword As Integer) _
  As Long

  MakeDWord = (hiword * &H10000) Or (loword And &HFFFF&)
  
End Function

Public Sub ResetReportHandles()

' Reset Window handles.
' NB: Call this sub when opening the report!
  
  hWndOSUI = 0
  hWndChild = 0

End Sub

Public Function GetTextFromWindow( _
  ByVal hWnd As Long) _
  As String

' Retrieve text from a window identified by its handle.

  Dim strWindow As String
  Dim lngReturn As Long
  
  ' Create a buffer.
  strWindow = String(GetWindowTextLength(hWnd) + 1, vbNullChar)
  ' Get the window's text.
  lngReturn = GetWindowText(hWnd, strWindow, Len(strWindow))
  strWindow = Left(strWindow, Len(strWindow) - 1)
  
  GetTextFromWindow = strWindow

End Function

Public Function SetCurrentReportPage( _
  ByVal strReport As String, _
  ByRef intPageNumber As Integer) _
  As Boolean

' This function sets or retrieves the current page number of
' the Report Print Preview window.
'
' If intPageNumber is > 0, the preview page is moved to this number
' or the last page of the report if this is smaller.
' In any case, the currently displayed page number is returned in
' intPageNumber.
' If success, the function returns True.

' **** APP NOTES by Stephen Lebans ****
' I did try the standard method to Find a Window by
' ClassName or Caption.
' Unfortunately the TextBox "OKttbx" that displays
' the Current Report Page number is part of
' a lightweight Control. It is drawn as required and
' appears as required and dissappears when it is not required.
' The only reliable method was this hack. It works by
' simulating a physical clicking in the Page number Window.

  On Error GoTo Err_SetCurrentReportPage
  
  Static lngWindowLocation  As Long
  
  ' Hold our OSUI Window dimensions.
  Dim RC                    As RECTL
  Dim intPosx               As Integer
  
  Dim lngTemp1              As Long
  Dim lngTemp2              As Long
  Dim lngReturn             As Long
  Dim lnghWnd               As Long
  Dim strPageNumber         As String
  Dim booSuccess            As Boolean
  
  lnghWnd = Access.Reports.Item(strReport).hWnd
  
  ' Ensure this window is the Active Window.
  ' Make sure the report is the currently selected object.
  lngReturn = SetActiveWindow(lnghWnd)
  
  ' If we have already determined the location of
  ' the Page Number Window then skip our probe.
  ' Else find the Page Navigation Window located at
  ' the bottom of the Report Print Preview window.
  If hWndChild = 0 Then
    hWndOSUI = FindWindowEx(lnghWnd, 0&, "OSUI", vbNullString)
    ' Get Window extents.
    lngReturn = GetWindowRect(hWndOSUI, RC)
    ' We need to go hunting for the Page Number Window.
    ' We know it is at the bottom of this Window.
    ' Let's check from Left to Right and along the
    ' middle of the height of the Window.
    ' Simulate Mouse Click with the Left button to activate the window.
    ' Stephen tried to do this the proper way but it was not reliable.
    ' This hack seems to work.
    ' Start 20 pixels in.
    intPosx = 20
    Do While intPosx < RC.Right
      lngTemp1 = MakeDWord(intPosx, (RC.Bottom - RC.Top) / 2)
      lngReturn = PostMessage(hWndOSUI, WM_LBUTTONDOWN, 1&, lngTemp1)
      lngReturn = PostMessage(hWndOSUI, WM_LBUTTONUP, 1&, lngTemp1)
      lngReturn = PostMessage(hWndOSUI, WM_LBUTTONDOWN, 1&, lngTemp1)
      lngReturn = PostMessage(hWndOSUI, WM_LBUTTONUP, 1&, lngTemp1)
      DoEvents
      hWndChild = GetWindow(hWndOSUI, GW_CHILD)
      If hWndChild <> 0 Then
        ' Store location for a next run of the function.
        lngWindowLocation = lngTemp1
        Exit Do
      End If
      ' Let's keep moving 4 more pixels to the right.
      intPosx = intPosx + 4
      DoEvents
    Loop
  End If
  
  If hWndChild = 0 Or lngWindowLocation = 0 Then
    ' Somehow we failed.
    ' Return undefined page number.
    intPageNumber = 0
  Else
    ' Create the lParam.
    lngTemp1 = MakeDWord(HTCLIENT, WM_LBUTTONDOWN)
    ' Send the Mouse Activate message.
    lngReturn = SendMessage(hWndOSUI, WM_MOUSEACTIVATE, Application.hWndAccessApp, ByVal lngTemp1)
    ' Send the Left Mouse Button Down message.
    lngReturn = PostMessage(hWndOSUI, WM_LBUTTONDOWN, 1&, lngWindowLocation)
    lngReturn = PostMessage(hWndOSUI, WM_LBUTTONUP, 1&, lngWindowLocation)
    ' Ensure messages are processed.
    DoEvents
    
    ' If intPageNumber is zero or negative we only wish to retrieve the current page number.
    If intPageNumber > 0 Then
      ' Copy our desired page number into the Page Number TextBox.
      strPageNumber = intPageNumber
      lngReturn = SetWindowText(hWndChild, strPageNumber)
      ' Allow Windows to catch up.
      DoEvents
      ' Generate Enter key press to force Access to update display.
      lngTemp1 = MapVirtualKey(vbKeyReturn, 0&)
      lngTemp2 = MakeDWord(1, CInt(lngTemp1))
      lngReturn = PostMessage(hWndChild, WM_KEYDOWN, 13, lngTemp2)
      lngReturn = PostMessage(hWndChild, WM_CHAR, 13, lngTemp2)
      ' Ensure messages are processed.
      DoEvents
      
      ' Create a new mouse click to read the displayed page number.
      ' Otherwise we will only retrieve the Enter key press.
      ' Create the lParam.
      lngTemp1 = MakeDWord(HTCLIENT, WM_LBUTTONDOWN)
      ' Send the Mouse Activate message.
      lngReturn = SendMessage(hWndOSUI, WM_MOUSEACTIVATE, Application.hWndAccessApp, ByVal lngTemp1)
      ' Send the Left Mouse Button Down message.
      lngReturn = PostMessage(hWndOSUI, WM_LBUTTONDOWN, 1&, lngWindowLocation)
      lngReturn = PostMessage(hWndOSUI, WM_LBUTTONUP, 1&, lngWindowLocation)
      ' Ensure messages are processed.
      DoEvents
    End If
    
    ' Retrieve and return current page number.
    strPageNumber = GetTextFromWindow(hWndChild)
    intPageNumber = CInt(strPageNumber)
    ' Signal success.
    booSuccess = True
  End If
  
  SetCurrentReportPage = booSuccess

Exit_SetCurrentReportPage:
  Exit Function

Err_SetCurrentReportPage:
  MsgBox "Error: " & Err.Number & "." & vbCrLf & Err.Description, vbCritical + vbOKOnly, Err.Source
  Resume Exit_SetCurrentReportPage

End Function

Public Function DemoGetReportPage() _
  As Integer

  Dim rpt           As Access.Report
  
  Dim strReport     As String
  Dim booSuccess    As Boolean
  Dim intReportPage As Integer

  If Access.Reports.Count > 0 Then
    Set rpt = Access.Reports(0)
    strReport = rpt.Name
    
    booSuccess = SetCurrentReportPage(strReport, intReportPage)
  
    Set rpt = Nothing
  End If
  
  DemoGetReportPage = intReportPage
  
End Function

Public Function DemoSetReportPage( _
  ByVal intReportPage As Integer) _
  As Integer

  Dim rpt           As Access.Report
  
  Dim strReport     As String
  Dim booSuccess    As Boolean
  
  If Access.Reports.Count = 0 Then
    intReportPage = 0
  Else
    Set rpt = Access.Reports(0)
    strReport = rpt.Name
    
    booSuccess = SetCurrentReportPage(strReport, intReportPage)
  
    Set rpt = Nothing
  End If
  
  DemoSetReportPage = intReportPage
  
End Function

</code>

Have fun!

/gustav



From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Wed Sep  8 12:14:49 2004
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 18:14:49 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Broadcast A Message
In-Reply-To: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8031BB34F@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <001001c495c7$58eb4260$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25>

Netware client.

-- Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> DWUTKA at marlow.com
> Sent: 08 September 2004 16:25
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Broadcast A Message
> 
> 
> What are the clients running?
> 
> Drew
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
> Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 12:39 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: [AccessD] Broadcast A Message
> 
> 
> Hi folks
> 
> Anyone got any info/code to broadcast a message to selected 
> machines/users. We've an NT4 server and a Novell server so 
> could use either technology.
> 
> -- Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 
> 
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From adtp at touchtelindia.net  Wed Sep  8 14:27:36 2004
From: adtp at touchtelindia.net (A.D.Tejpal)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 00:57:36 +0530
Subject: [AccessD] Syntax question about control references
References: <009801c495c1$5ac58f60$6501a8c0@rock>
Message-ID: <019f01c495da$0e8fc9d0$8d1865cb@winxp>

Arthur,

    The following example might give you some working ideas. Let the datasheet form have 13 columns named F0 to F12. 

    The code given below will ensure that F5 is the column that gets focus and is the first unfrozen one.

    It is observed that use of freeze feature interferes with the tab index property of various controls and normalization is not readily achieved by resetting the tab index. Hence the need for two stage loop (first loop normalizes the tab order of various columns).

A.D.Tejpal
--------------
=================================
Dim Cnt As Integer
' Normalize all columns
DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdUnfreezeAllColumns
For Cnt = 0 To 12
    Me("F" & Cnt).SetFocus
    DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdFreezeColumn
Next
DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdUnfreezeAllColumns


' Freeze Columns F0 to F4  and set focus on F5 
For Cnt = 0 To 4
    Me("F" & Cnt).SetFocus
    DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdFreezeColumn
Next
Me("F5").SetFocus
=================================

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Arthur Fuller 
  To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' 
  Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 22:01
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] Syntax question about control references


  Hi. No it is not set to continuous forms. (Frankly, except for very limited situations, I HATE continuous forms, but that's another story.)
  It's set for datasheet view. It's easy enough to set the focus to the
  desired control, but that's only half what I need. I need to scroll the form such that the control with focus is in the first unfrozen position.

  -----Original Message-----
  From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
  [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Michael R
  Mattys
  Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 10:59 AM
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Syntax question about control references

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: "Arthur Fuller" 


  > My form has controls whose names derive from the EoM() of a given 
  > date. That is, the end of a month. The control's name will be 
  > something such as "12/31/2004", etc. I need to set the focus to the 
  > column corresponding to today's date. For the date on which I am 
  > writing this message, the correct column is named "9/30/2004".
  ...
  > The EoM() function (which I wrote) returns a date. I need to take this

  > value and turn it into a reference to a column, such that I can write:
  > 
  > Me.columnName.SetFocus

  Arthur,

  It looks like you mean to say that you have
  a subform set to "continuous forms." If that's
  the case, you'd say 

  Me.SubformName.Form.Controls("EOMDate").SetFocus

  ----

  Michael R. Mattys
  Mattys MapLib for Microsoft MapPoint 
  http://www.mattysconsulting.com



From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Wed Sep  8 15:04:50 2004
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (DWUTKA at marlow.com)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 15:04:50 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] Broadcast A Message
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8031BB354@main2.marlow.com>

If you were running TCP/IP, you can use UDP broadcasts to have a 'receiver'
pick up the messages.  If they were NT based clients, you could use the
windows messaging service.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 12:15 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Broadcast A Message


Netware client.

-- Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> DWUTKA at marlow.com
> Sent: 08 September 2004 16:25
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Broadcast A Message
> 
> 
> What are the clients running?
> 
> Drew
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
> Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 12:39 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: [AccessD] Broadcast A Message
> 
> 
> Hi folks
> 
> Anyone got any info/code to broadcast a message to selected 
> machines/users. We've an NT4 server and a Novell server so 
> could use either technology.
> 
> -- Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 
> 
> -- 
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From Lambert.Heenan at aig.com  Tue Sep  7 14:09:26 2004
From: Lambert.Heenan at aig.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 15:09:26 -0400 
Subject: [AccessD] Logon/Password Same as Network
Message-ID: <1D7828CDB8350747AFE9D69E0E90DA1F02D088D3@xlivmbx21.aig.com>

"Instead of having to remember two different passwords..." This is just what
I thought you might be trying to do, and that's just what the NY Challenge
is supposed to be doing.  

There is nowhere for the OS to look up the password to validate it. Rather
the NT Login process takes the password from the user and passes it through
a one-way hash function. The output of the hash function is then checked in
a database to see if there is a match for it The point being that the
password *never* gets stored anywhere or transmitted over the network. The
hash function is one-way in that you cannot convert the hash value back to
the password.

That's the theory. Unfortunately the practice is a touch harder. First the
code I pointed you to is VB specific. It would need to be altered to make it
compile under VBA. 

To get it to compile with VBA all the code above "Private Sub Form_Load()"
needs to be moved into a standard module.
All the "Private Declare ..." lines need to be changed to "Public Declare
..."
All the "Private Type .." lines need to be changed to "Public Type ..."
All references to the three textbox's  ".Text." and ".Value" properties
should be changed to simple references to the textbox controls' names.

Having done all that you will be able to compile the code, but then you'll
find that all the example code is in any case Windows 2000 or later
specific. The core part of the code (the function AuthenticateUser) first
tests the OS version (the function call IsWinNT2000Plus), and it it's not
20000 or greater nothing is done to authenticate at all. ;-(

So even though it's called the NT authentication, this code only works on
W2K and higher. I've yet to find a working version of this authentication
code for NT4 but it must be out there somewhere.

Lambert
	
> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Nicholson, Karen [SMTP:cyx5 at cdc.gov]
> Sent:	Tuesday, September 07, 2004 1:40 PM
> To:	Heenan, Lambert
> Subject:	RE: [AccessD] Logon/Password Same as Network
> 
> I don't think the Windows NT Challenge is what I am looking for, seems
> to apply to asp, internet etc.  What I want to do is this:  user logins
> in the morning on their server.  I can capture the user name that was
> used to logon and display on the form, for instance I am cyx5.  Now,
> when the user opens up my Access application, I want a form that
> displays the cyx5 in one text box (done) and another text box that is
> blank for them to enter in their password.  Instead of having to
> remember two different passwords, I would like the password that is
> entered on my Access form to lookup their network password to do a
> match.  If it does not match, throw them out.  If it does, open up my
> switchboard menu.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Heenan, Lambert [mailto:Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com] 
> Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 12:03 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; Nicholson, Karen
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Logon/Password Same as Network
> 
> 
> What's "the password"? Do you mean the logging password used for Access
> Security? Why would you want to make this the same as the users LAN
> login
> password? To do so would require your to keep the two synchronized and
> that
> would be a pain. Or do you in fact want to use the "Windows NT
> Challenge"
> process to validate an already logged in user?
> 
> All I can say is that Authentication is kinda complex, but take a look
> here
> for an example....
> 
> http://vbnet.mvps.org/index.html?code/network/acceptsecuritycontext.htm
> 
> Just be sure not to store those passwords anywhere or you will open up a
> security hole big enough to drive an 18-wheeler through.
> 
> Lambert
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From:	accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [SMTP:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Nicholson,
> Karen
> > Sent:	Tuesday, September 07, 2004 11:28 AM
> > To:	accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject:	[AccessD] Logon/Password Same as Network
> > 
> > I know how to grab the logon from the network; is there a way to make
> > the password to be the same as the password housed on the network so
> > that the user will have the same logon/password?  Thanks!
> > 
> > Karen Nicholson
> > National Laboratory
> > Xerox Global Services
> > 
> > 
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From fhtapia at gmail.com  Wed Sep  8 10:31:23 2004
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 08:31:23 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack
In-Reply-To: <8DA8776D2F418E46A2A464AC6CE630500326B2@outbaksrv1.outbaktech.com>
References: <8DA8776D2F418E46A2A464AC6CE630500326B2@outbaksrv1.outbaktech.com>
Message-ID: <b874372a0409080831424db931@mail.gmail.com>

Acctually that DOES sound very rightous... if or when I ever go back
to doing consulting work I may just have to remember to do this...
they  you a ton of software for the price...


On Wed, 8 Sep 2004 09:49:56 -0500, Jeff Barrows <jeff at outbaktech.com> wrote:
> Technically, it means is that if you decide NOT to renew your Action Pack Subscription, you agree to remove all of the Action Pack software from any / all of your machines after one year.  But for $199 a year (after the first year), it only makes sense to renew it.
> 
> 
> 
> 
>         -----Original Message-----
>         From: Eric Barro [mailto:ebarro at afsweb.com]
>         Sent: Wed 9/8/2004 8:21 AM
>         To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>         Cc:
>         Subject: RE: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack
> 
>         What it probably means it that you're going to stop getting update CDs from M$ for any of the products you have licenses for so if they come out with Office 2004 or SQL server 2005 you will have to purchase a separate license if you wanted to use it.
> 
>         ---
>         Eric Barro
>         Senior Systems Analyst
>         Advanced Field Services
>         (208) 772-7060
>         http://www.afsweb.com
> 
>         -----Original Message-----
>         From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>         [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John W. Colby
>         Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 12:46 AM
>         To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>         Subject: RE: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack
> 
>         I don't know.  I know that the license "expires" after 1 year, but it
>         appears that these are just real copies of these various things.  I doubt
>         they quit working.
> 
>         John W. Colby
>         www.ColbyConsulting.com
> 
>         -----Original Message-----
>         From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>         [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
>         Beach Access Software
>         Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 1:07 AM
>         To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>         Subject: Re: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack
> 
>         John:
> 
>         Thanks for the rundown.  I've being trying to decide between that and the
>         partner program.  This one looks god.  Except what's that about a one-year
>         license.  Does your copy of Office 2003 crap out after one year?
> 
>         Rocky
> 
>         ----- Original Message -----
>         From: "John W. Colby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
>         To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
>         <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>         Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 9:01 PM
>         Subject: RE: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack
> 
>         > The action pack is a deal MS offers developers or companies that
>         > develop
>         for
>         > or sell MS stuff.  For $300-400 they give you a ton of the latest
>         > software and 10 licenses for all of it.  You are allowed to use it in
>         > house, but
>         not
>         > sell it or install it on any client machines.  It includes:
>         >
>         > Office Professional 2003
>         > Office Publisher 2003
>         > Office Frontpage 2003
>         > Office Visio Professional 2003
>         > Office Project Professional 2003
>         > Business contact Manager for Outlook 2003
>         > Office OneNote 2003
>         > MapPoint 2004 Standard Edition
>         > Windows XP Professional
>         > Virtual PC 2004
>         > Office Infopath 2003
>         > Business Solutions CRM Professional
>         > Windows Server 2003 Standard Edition
>         > Windows Server 2003 Web Edition
>         > Exchange Server 2003 Enterprise Edition
>         > Office Project Server 2003
>         > Office Sharepoint Server 2003
>         > Office Live Communications Server 2003
>         > SQL Server 2000 Standard Edition (damn!)
>         > SQL Server 2000 Service Pack 3a
>         > SQL Server Reporting Services
>         > Mobile Information Server 2002
>         > Swindows Sharepoint Services Standard 2003
>         > Windows Small Business Server 2003 Premium Edition
>         >
>         > What is all this stuff you may ask.  No idea.
>         >
>         > The package appears to also come with some kind of training CD for
>         > each
>         ofr
>         > these things.  No books, must all be on CD.  A neat little (BIG)
>         > organizer size canvas folder to hold the disks.  Nothing to hold the
>         > training materials (C'mon MS, another folder to hold that and the
>         > sleeves hole punched would have made it so much more professional).
>         >
>         >
>         http://members.microsoft.com/partner/salesmarketing/partnermarket/actionpack
>         > /actionpackus.aspx
>         >
>         > Watch for wrap.
>         >
>         > I had been looking at this package for awhile in order to bring my
>         > office into the modern age (as defined by MS).
>         >
>         > So there you have it.  A lot of stuff for a medium price (one year
>         > license though!).  But it gives you 10 licenses.  I can put XP on all
>         > my desktops, Server 2003 on both my new "server" machines, look at and
>         > possibly use Office 2003 on my machines etc.  I have a home office
>         > with 2 "server
>         class"
>         > machines and 2 desktop machines, plus one modern laptop and an old POS
>         > laptop that I am currently re-installing Win2K Pro on.  Being able to
>         > get
>         a
>         > consistent platform on everything might be nice.
>         >
>         > I had hoped to see 64bit OS and SQL Server included - they apparently
>         > do exists, but not in here.  8-(
>         >
>         > John W. Colby
>         > www.ColbyConsulting.com
>         >
>         > -----Original Message-----
>         > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>         > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lonnie
>         > Johnson
>         > Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 2:48 PM
>         > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>         > Subject: Re: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack
>         >
>         >
>         > What's the main advantage to having the Action pack?
>         >
>         > "John W. Colby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
>         > I just got my MS Action pack, very nice. So much to know, so little
>         > time.
>         >
>         > John W. Colby
>         > www.ColbyConsulting.com
>         >
>         >
>         > --
>         > _______________________________________________
>         > AccessD mailing list
>         > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>         > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>         > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>         >
> 
>         --
>         _______________________________________________
>         AccessD mailing list
>         AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>         http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>         Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 
>         --
>         _______________________________________________
>         AccessD mailing list
>         AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>         http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>         Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 
>         --
>         _______________________________________________
>         AccessD mailing list
>         AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>         http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>         Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 
> 
> 
> --
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 
> 
> 



-- 
-Francisco


From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed Sep  8 16:04:26 2004
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 14:04:26 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312A38@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Except you don't get the developer versions.

Charlotte


-----Original Message-----
From: Francisco Tapia [mailto:fhtapia at gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 8:31 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack


Acctually that DOES sound very rightous... if or when I ever go back to
doing consulting work I may just have to remember to do this... they
you a ton of software for the price...


On Wed, 8 Sep 2004 09:49:56 -0500, Jeff Barrows <jeff at outbaktech.com>
wrote:
> Technically, it means is that if you decide NOT to renew your Action 
> Pack Subscription, you agree to remove all of the Action Pack software

> from any / all of your machines after one year.  But for $199 a year 
> (after the first year), it only makes sense to renew it.
> 
> 
> 
> 
>         -----Original Message-----
>         From: Eric Barro [mailto:ebarro at afsweb.com]
>         Sent: Wed 9/8/2004 8:21 AM
>         To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>         Cc:
>         Subject: RE: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack
> 
>         What it probably means it that you're going to stop getting 
> update CDs from M$ for any of the products you have licenses for so if

> they come out with Office 2004 or SQL server 2005 you will have to 
> purchase a separate license if you wanted to use it.
> 
>         ---
>         Eric Barro
>         Senior Systems Analyst
>         Advanced Field Services
>         (208) 772-7060
>         http://www.afsweb.com
> 
>         -----Original Message-----
>         From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>         [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John
W. Colby
>         Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 12:46 AM
>         To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>         Subject: RE: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack
> 
>         I don't know.  I know that the license "expires" after 1 year,
but it
>         appears that these are just real copies of these various
things.  I doubt
>         they quit working.
> 
>         John W. Colby
>         www.ColbyConsulting.com
> 
>         -----Original Message-----
>         From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>         [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Rocky Smolin -
>         Beach Access Software
>         Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 1:07 AM
>         To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>         Subject: Re: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack
> 
>         John:
> 
>         Thanks for the rundown.  I've being trying to decide between
that and the
>         partner program.  This one looks god.  Except what's that
about a one-year
>         license.  Does your copy of Office 2003 crap out after one 
> year?
> 
>         Rocky
> 
>         ----- Original Message -----
>         From: "John W. Colby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
>         To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
>         <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>         Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 9:01 PM
>         Subject: RE: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack
> 
>         > The action pack is a deal MS offers developers or companies
that
>         > develop
>         for
>         > or sell MS stuff.  For $300-400 they give you a ton of the
latest
>         > software and 10 licenses for all of it.  You are allowed to
use it in
>         > house, but
>         not
>         > sell it or install it on any client machines.  It includes:
>         >
>         > Office Professional 2003
>         > Office Publisher 2003
>         > Office Frontpage 2003
>         > Office Visio Professional 2003
>         > Office Project Professional 2003
>         > Business contact Manager for Outlook 2003
>         > Office OneNote 2003
>         > MapPoint 2004 Standard Edition
>         > Windows XP Professional
>         > Virtual PC 2004
>         > Office Infopath 2003
>         > Business Solutions CRM Professional
>         > Windows Server 2003 Standard Edition
>         > Windows Server 2003 Web Edition
>         > Exchange Server 2003 Enterprise Edition
>         > Office Project Server 2003
>         > Office Sharepoint Server 2003
>         > Office Live Communications Server 2003
>         > SQL Server 2000 Standard Edition (damn!)
>         > SQL Server 2000 Service Pack 3a
>         > SQL Server Reporting Services
>         > Mobile Information Server 2002
>         > Swindows Sharepoint Services Standard 2003
>         > Windows Small Business Server 2003 Premium Edition
>         >
>         > What is all this stuff you may ask.  No idea.
>         >
>         > The package appears to also come with some kind of training
CD for
>         > each
>         ofr
>         > these things.  No books, must all be on CD.  A neat little
(BIG)
>         > organizer size canvas folder to hold the disks.  Nothing to
hold the
>         > training materials (C'mon MS, another folder to hold that
and the
>         > sleeves hole punched would have made it so much more
professional).
>         >
>         >
>
http://members.microsoft.com/partner/salesmarketing/partnermarket/action
pack
>         > /actionpackus.aspx
>         >
>         > Watch for wrap.
>         >
>         > I had been looking at this package for awhile in order to
bring my
>         > office into the modern age (as defined by MS).
>         >
>         > So there you have it.  A lot of stuff for a medium price
(one year
>         > license though!).  But it gives you 10 licenses.  I can put
XP on all
>         > my desktops, Server 2003 on both my new "server" machines,
look at and
>         > possibly use Office 2003 on my machines etc.  I have a home
office
>         > with 2 "server
>         class"
>         > machines and 2 desktop machines, plus one modern laptop and
an old POS
>         > laptop that I am currently re-installing Win2K Pro on.
Being able to
>         > get
>         a
>         > consistent platform on everything might be nice.
>         >
>         > I had hoped to see 64bit OS and SQL Server included - they
apparently
>         > do exists, but not in here.  8-(
>         >
>         > John W. Colby
>         > www.ColbyConsulting.com
>         >
>         > -----Original Message-----
>         > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>         > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Lonnie
>         > Johnson
>         > Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 2:48 PM
>         > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>         > Subject: Re: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack
>         >
>         >
>         > What's the main advantage to having the Action pack?
>         >
>         > "John W. Colby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
>         > I just got my MS Action pack, very nice. So much to know, so
little
>         > time.
>         >
>         > John W. Colby
>         > www.ColbyConsulting.com
>         >
>         >
>         > --
>         > _______________________________________________
>         > AccessD mailing list
>         > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>         > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>         > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>         >
> 
>         --
>         _______________________________________________
>         AccessD mailing list
>         AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>         http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>         Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 
>         --
>         _______________________________________________
>         AccessD mailing list
>         AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>         http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>         Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 
>         --
>         _______________________________________________
>         AccessD mailing list
>         AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>         http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>         Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 
> 
> 
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> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
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> 
> 
> 



-- 
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From mikkel.enevoldsen at mail.tele.dk  Wed Sep  8 16:31:47 2004
From: mikkel.enevoldsen at mail.tele.dk (Mikkel Enevoldsen)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 23:31:47 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Columnhidden in datasheet subforms
Message-ID: <CHECKCBKABNDCGIPOCAEOEHJCFAA.mikkel.enevoldsen@mail.tele.dk>

Dear All,

Is it possible to change "columnhidden"-property (programaticly), in order
to hide certain columns in a datasheet view of a subform?
Each time a record is selected on the mainform, the subform datasheetcolumns
has to change accordingly.


Best regards

Mikkel Enevoldsen




From donald.a.Mcgillivray at mail.sprint.com  Wed Sep  8 10:25:08 2004
From: donald.a.Mcgillivray at mail.sprint.com (Mcgillivray, Donald [ITS])
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 10:25:08 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Synchronizing Subform to Main form based on a date
Message-ID: <988E2AC88CCB54459286C4077DB662F50129DE53@PDAWB03C.ad.sprint.com>

Thanks for the suggestion, Andy, but no success.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 12:15 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Synchronizing Subform to Main form based on a
date


Just a thought Donald but if you placed a hidden calc'd control on the
main
form with =YourDateCombo.Column(0) and put in that in your linking
fields
would that help?

-- Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 



From dwaters at usinternet.com  Wed Sep  8 10:30:08 2004
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 10:30:08 -0500
Subject: FW: [AccessD] AHOO!!!  Got my action pack
Message-ID: <002101c495b8$b9a3fe30$de1811d8@danwaters>

John,

I didn't see Visual Studio for Applications on your list.  This would allow
setting up an installation package for Access Runtime.  I would have guessed
that this would have been included in a package for developers.  Is it
really missing?

Dan Waters

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 11:02 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack

The action pack is a deal MS offers developers or companies that develop for
or sell MS stuff.  For $300-400 they give you a ton of the latest software
and 10 licenses for all of it.  You are allowed to use it in house, but not
sell it or install it on any client machines.  It includes:

Office Professional 2003
Office Publisher 2003
Office Frontpage 2003
Office Visio Professional 2003
Office Project Professional 2003
Business contact Manager for Outlook 2003
Office OneNote 2003
MapPoint 2004 Standard Edition
Windows XP Professional
Virtual PC 2004
Office Infopath 2003
Business Solutions CRM Professional
Windows Server 2003 Standard Edition
Windows Server 2003 Web Edition
Exchange Server 2003 Enterprise Edition
Office Project Server 2003
Office Sharepoint Server 2003
Office Live Communications Server 2003
SQL Server 2000 Standard Edition (damn!)
SQL Server 2000 Service Pack 3a
SQL Server Reporting Services
Mobile Information Server 2002
Swindows Sharepoint Services Standard 2003
Windows Small Business Server 2003 Premium Edition

What is all this stuff you may ask.  No idea.

The package appears to also come with some kind of training CD for each ofr
these things.  No books, must all be on CD.  A neat little (BIG) organizer
size canvas folder to hold the disks.  Nothing to hold the training
materials (C'mon MS, another folder to hold that and the sleeves hole
punched would have made it so much more professional).

http://members.microsoft.com/partner/salesmarketing/partnermarket/actionpack
/actionpackus.aspx

Watch for wrap.

I had been looking at this package for awhile in order to bring my office
into the modern age (as defined by MS).  

So there you have it.  A lot of stuff for a medium price (one year license
though!).  But it gives you 10 licenses.  I can put XP on all my desktops,
Server 2003 on both my new "server" machines, look at and possibly use
Office 2003 on my machines etc.  I have a home office with 2 "server class"
machines and 2 desktop machines, plus one modern laptop and an old POS
laptop that I am currently re-installing Win2K Pro on.  Being able to get a
consistent platform on everything might be nice.

I had hoped to see 64bit OS and SQL Server included - they apparently do
exists, but not in here.  8-(

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lonnie Johnson
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 2:48 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack


What's the main advantage to having the Action pack?

"John W. Colby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
I just got my MS Action pack, very nice. So much to know, so little time.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


-- 
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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Wed Sep  8 07:37:01 2004
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 07:37:01 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] AHOO!!!  Got my action pack
In-Reply-To: <19753348.1094617599409.JavaMail.root@sniper12.usinternet.com>
Message-ID: <000b01c495a0$8a7d9b10$de1811d8@danwaters>

John,

I didn't see Visual Studio for Applications on your list.  This would allow
setting up an installation package for Access Runtime.  I would have guessed
that this would have been included in a package for developers.  Is it
really missing?

Dan Waters

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 11:02 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack

The action pack is a deal MS offers developers or companies that develop for
or sell MS stuff.  For $300-400 they give you a ton of the latest software
and 10 licenses for all of it.  You are allowed to use it in house, but not
sell it or install it on any client machines.  It includes:

Office Professional 2003
Office Publisher 2003
Office Frontpage 2003
Office Visio Professional 2003
Office Project Professional 2003
Business contact Manager for Outlook 2003
Office OneNote 2003
MapPoint 2004 Standard Edition
Windows XP Professional
Virtual PC 2004
Office Infopath 2003
Business Solutions CRM Professional
Windows Server 2003 Standard Edition
Windows Server 2003 Web Edition
Exchange Server 2003 Enterprise Edition
Office Project Server 2003
Office Sharepoint Server 2003
Office Live Communications Server 2003
SQL Server 2000 Standard Edition (damn!)
SQL Server 2000 Service Pack 3a
SQL Server Reporting Services
Mobile Information Server 2002
Swindows Sharepoint Services Standard 2003
Windows Small Business Server 2003 Premium Edition

What is all this stuff you may ask.  No idea.

The package appears to also come with some kind of training CD for each ofr
these things.  No books, must all be on CD.  A neat little (BIG) organizer
size canvas folder to hold the disks.  Nothing to hold the training
materials (C'mon MS, another folder to hold that and the sleeves hole
punched would have made it so much more professional).

http://members.microsoft.com/partner/salesmarketing/partnermarket/actionpack
/actionpackus.aspx

Watch for wrap.

I had been looking at this package for awhile in order to bring my office
into the modern age (as defined by MS).  

So there you have it.  A lot of stuff for a medium price (one year license
though!).  But it gives you 10 licenses.  I can put XP on all my desktops,
Server 2003 on both my new "server" machines, look at and possibly use
Office 2003 on my machines etc.  I have a home office with 2 "server class"
machines and 2 desktop machines, plus one modern laptop and an old POS
laptop that I am currently re-installing Win2K Pro on.  Being able to get a
consistent platform on everything might be nice.

I had hoped to see 64bit OS and SQL Server included - they apparently do
exists, but not in here.  8-(

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lonnie Johnson
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 2:48 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack


What's the main advantage to having the Action pack?

"John W. Colby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
I just got my MS Action pack, very nice. So much to know, so little time.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Wed Sep  8 17:31:48 2004
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 08:31:48 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Syntax question about control references
In-Reply-To: <009801c495c1$5ac58f60$6501a8c0@rock>
References: <008501c494eb$27dc4930$6401a8c0@default>
Message-ID: <414014F4.31973.18DB07E9@lexacorp.com.pg>

On 8 Sep 2004 at 12:31, Arthur Fuller wrote:

> Hi. No it is not set to continuous forms. (Frankly, except for very
> limited situations, I HATE continuous forms, but that's another story.)

Do tell us that story :-)

(I use a lot of continuous forms)



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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed Sep  8 17:37:02 2004
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 15:37:02 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] AHOO!!!  Got my action pack
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312A3B@infoserver01.infostat.local>

The action pack isn't really for developers in that sense.  It's for
partners so that the entire office can work with the same versions of
the MS applications.  The developers tools are in the MSDN Universal
subscription.

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Waters [mailto:dwaters at usinternet.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 5:37 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack


John,

I didn't see Visual Studio for Applications on your list.  This would
allow setting up an installation package for Access Runtime.  I would
have guessed that this would have been included in a package for
developers.  Is it really missing?

Dan Waters

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 11:02 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack

The action pack is a deal MS offers developers or companies that develop
for or sell MS stuff.  For $300-400 they give you a ton of the latest
software and 10 licenses for all of it.  You are allowed to use it in
house, but not sell it or install it on any client machines.  It
includes:

Office Professional 2003
Office Publisher 2003
Office Frontpage 2003
Office Visio Professional 2003
Office Project Professional 2003
Business contact Manager for Outlook 2003
Office OneNote 2003
MapPoint 2004 Standard Edition
Windows XP Professional
Virtual PC 2004
Office Infopath 2003
Business Solutions CRM Professional
Windows Server 2003 Standard Edition
Windows Server 2003 Web Edition
Exchange Server 2003 Enterprise Edition
Office Project Server 2003
Office Sharepoint Server 2003
Office Live Communications Server 2003
SQL Server 2000 Standard Edition (damn!)
SQL Server 2000 Service Pack 3a
SQL Server Reporting Services
Mobile Information Server 2002
Swindows Sharepoint Services Standard 2003
Windows Small Business Server 2003 Premium Edition

What is all this stuff you may ask.  No idea.

The package appears to also come with some kind of training CD for each
ofr these things.  No books, must all be on CD.  A neat little (BIG)
organizer size canvas folder to hold the disks.  Nothing to hold the
training materials (C'mon MS, another folder to hold that and the
sleeves hole punched would have made it so much more professional).

http://members.microsoft.com/partner/salesmarketing/partnermarket/action
pack
/actionpackus.aspx

Watch for wrap.

I had been looking at this package for awhile in order to bring my
office into the modern age (as defined by MS).  

So there you have it.  A lot of stuff for a medium price (one year
license though!).  But it gives you 10 licenses.  I can put XP on all my
desktops, Server 2003 on both my new "server" machines, look at and
possibly use Office 2003 on my machines etc.  I have a home office with
2 "server class" machines and 2 desktop machines, plus one modern laptop
and an old POS laptop that I am currently re-installing Win2K Pro on.
Being able to get a consistent platform on everything might be nice.

I had hoped to see 64bit OS and SQL Server included - they apparently do
exists, but not in here.  8-(

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lonnie
Johnson
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 2:48 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack


What's the main advantage to having the Action pack?

"John W. Colby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
I just got my MS Action pack, very nice. So much to know, so little
time.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


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From donald.a.Mcgillivray at mail.sprint.com  Wed Sep  8 18:12:58 2004
From: donald.a.Mcgillivray at mail.sprint.com (Mcgillivray, Donald [ITS])
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 18:12:58 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Synchronizing Subform to Main form based on a date -
	Resolved
Message-ID: <988E2AC88CCB54459286C4077DB662F50129E3C1@PDAWB03C.ad.sprint.com>

I ought to know better when Access starts misbehaving like this.  I
imported my objects to a new empty db, and the thing started behaving
normally (or at least as I expected it to.)

Problem solved . . .



From d.dick at uws.edu.au  Wed Sep  8 18:54:45 2004
From: d.dick at uws.edu.au (Darren DICK)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 09:54:45 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Used to work - now it errors
In-Reply-To: <48569739.20040908085726@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <001201c495ff$37924b30$4a619a89@DDICK>

Excellent
Thanks Gustav
Lazy typing me thinks

Have a great day

Darren



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Wednesday, 8 September 2004 4:57 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K: Used to work - now it errors


Hi Darren

Specify what your intent is:

  Dim dbs As DAO.Database
  Dim rst As DAO.Recordset

Then the order of references doesn't matter.

/gustav

> This used to work now I get Run Time Error 13 - Type Mismatch Then the 
> debugger yellows out the "Set rst" line

> Any suggestions
> Dao 3.6 is referenced


> Dim dbs As Database 
> rst As Recordset

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Sep  8 19:17:01 2004
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 20:17:01 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] AHOO!!!  Got my action pack
In-Reply-To: <000b01c495a0$8a7d9b10$de1811d8@danwaters>
Message-ID: <003501c49602$5832c600$80b3fea9@ColbyM6805>

Yep, it is really missing.  I think this is geared at resellers of MS
product more than developers although they clearly state in the action pack
page that developers qualify.  There is NOTHING development oriented in
there.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 8:37 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack


John,

I didn't see Visual Studio for Applications on your list.  This would allow
setting up an installation package for Access Runtime.  I would have guessed
that this would have been included in a package for developers.  Is it
really missing?

Dan Waters

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 11:02 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack

The action pack is a deal MS offers developers or companies that develop for
or sell MS stuff.  For $300-400 they give you a ton of the latest software
and 10 licenses for all of it.  You are allowed to use it in house, but not
sell it or install it on any client machines.  It includes:

Office Professional 2003
Office Publisher 2003
Office Frontpage 2003
Office Visio Professional 2003
Office Project Professional 2003
Business contact Manager for Outlook 2003
Office OneNote 2003
MapPoint 2004 Standard Edition
Windows XP Professional
Virtual PC 2004
Office Infopath 2003
Business Solutions CRM Professional
Windows Server 2003 Standard Edition
Windows Server 2003 Web Edition
Exchange Server 2003 Enterprise Edition
Office Project Server 2003
Office Sharepoint Server 2003
Office Live Communications Server 2003
SQL Server 2000 Standard Edition (damn!)
SQL Server 2000 Service Pack 3a
SQL Server Reporting Services
Mobile Information Server 2002
Swindows Sharepoint Services Standard 2003
Windows Small Business Server 2003 Premium Edition

What is all this stuff you may ask.  No idea.

The package appears to also come with some kind of training CD for each ofr
these things.  No books, must all be on CD.  A neat little (BIG) organizer
size canvas folder to hold the disks.  Nothing to hold the training
materials (C'mon MS, another folder to hold that and the sleeves hole
punched would have made it so much more professional).

http://members.microsoft.com/partner/salesmarketing/partnermarket/actionpack
/actionpackus.aspx

Watch for wrap.

I had been looking at this package for awhile in order to bring my office
into the modern age (as defined by MS).  

So there you have it.  A lot of stuff for a medium price (one year license
though!).  But it gives you 10 licenses.  I can put XP on all my desktops,
Server 2003 on both my new "server" machines, look at and possibly use
Office 2003 on my machines etc.  I have a home office with 2 "server class"
machines and 2 desktop machines, plus one modern laptop and an old POS
laptop that I am currently re-installing Win2K Pro on.  Being able to get a
consistent platform on everything might be nice.

I had hoped to see 64bit OS and SQL Server included - they apparently do
exists, but not in here.  8-(

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lonnie Johnson
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 2:48 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack


What's the main advantage to having the Action pack?

"John W. Colby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
I just got my MS Action pack, very nice. So much to know, so little time.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Sep  8 19:20:12 2004
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 20:20:12 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] AHOO!!!  Got my action pack
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312A3B@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <003601c49602$c8de9d70$80b3fea9@ColbyM6805>

And the cost of that is MUCH more.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 6:37 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack


The action pack isn't really for developers in that sense.  It's for
partners so that the entire office can work with the same versions of the MS
applications.  The developers tools are in the MSDN Universal subscription.

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Waters [mailto:dwaters at usinternet.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 5:37 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack


John,

I didn't see Visual Studio for Applications on your list.  This would allow
setting up an installation package for Access Runtime.  I would have guessed
that this would have been included in a package for developers.  Is it
really missing?

Dan Waters

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 11:02 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack

The action pack is a deal MS offers developers or companies that develop for
or sell MS stuff.  For $300-400 they give you a ton of the latest software
and 10 licenses for all of it.  You are allowed to use it in house, but not
sell it or install it on any client machines.  It
includes:

Office Professional 2003
Office Publisher 2003
Office Frontpage 2003
Office Visio Professional 2003
Office Project Professional 2003
Business contact Manager for Outlook 2003
Office OneNote 2003
MapPoint 2004 Standard Edition
Windows XP Professional
Virtual PC 2004
Office Infopath 2003
Business Solutions CRM Professional
Windows Server 2003 Standard Edition
Windows Server 2003 Web Edition
Exchange Server 2003 Enterprise Edition
Office Project Server 2003
Office Sharepoint Server 2003
Office Live Communications Server 2003
SQL Server 2000 Standard Edition (damn!)
SQL Server 2000 Service Pack 3a
SQL Server Reporting Services
Mobile Information Server 2002
Swindows Sharepoint Services Standard 2003
Windows Small Business Server 2003 Premium Edition

What is all this stuff you may ask.  No idea.

The package appears to also come with some kind of training CD for each ofr
these things.  No books, must all be on CD.  A neat little (BIG) organizer
size canvas folder to hold the disks.  Nothing to hold the training
materials (C'mon MS, another folder to hold that and the sleeves hole
punched would have made it so much more professional).

http://members.microsoft.com/partner/salesmarketing/partnermarket/action
pack
/actionpackus.aspx

Watch for wrap.

I had been looking at this package for awhile in order to bring my office
into the modern age (as defined by MS).  

So there you have it.  A lot of stuff for a medium price (one year license
though!).  But it gives you 10 licenses.  I can put XP on all my desktops,
Server 2003 on both my new "server" machines, look at and possibly use
Office 2003 on my machines etc.  I have a home office with 2 "server class"
machines and 2 desktop machines, plus one modern laptop and an old POS
laptop that I am currently re-installing Win2K Pro on. Being able to get a
consistent platform on everything might be nice.

I had hoped to see 64bit OS and SQL Server included - they apparently do
exists, but not in here.  8-(

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lonnie Johnson
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 2:48 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack


What's the main advantage to having the Action pack?

"John W. Colby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
I just got my MS Action pack, very nice. So much to know, so little time.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


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From d.dick at uws.edu.au  Wed Sep  8 20:25:43 2004
From: d.dick at uws.edu.au (Darren DICK)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 11:25:43 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Same Name Validation
Message-ID: <001f01c4960b$ed329ba0$4a619a89@DDICK>

Hello all
How do you guys handle data entry users entering someone into a dB
with the same first and last name - quite legitimately E.G. John SMITH

How do you test for other existences of John SMITH in the db and what
'alerting' do you
guys use?

Many thanks in advance

Have a great day

Darren




From fhtapia at gmail.com  Wed Sep  8 21:42:26 2004
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 19:42:26 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Same Name Validation
In-Reply-To: <001f01c4960b$ed329ba0$4a619a89@DDICK>
References: <001f01c4960b$ed329ba0$4a619a89@DDICK>
Message-ID: <b874372a040908194268fa46ee@mail.gmail.com>

As with many things, It depends on the structure of your db

my db houses this:

Company
Address
ContactAddress
Contact

A company can have many addresses.  A user may be an employee or
associated to many Companies, I associated the contact to the company
via the address so I would know what location he is associated
through.

:D




On Thu, 9 Sep 2004 11:25:43 +1000, Darren DICK <d.dick at uws.edu.au> wrote:
> Hello all
> How do you guys handle data entry users entering someone into a dB
> with the same first and last name - quite legitimately E.G. John SMITH
> 
> How do you test for other existences of John SMITH in the db and what
> 'alerting' do you
> guys use?
> 
> Many thanks in advance
> 
> Have a great day
> 
> Darren
> 
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From d.dick at uws.edu.au  Thu Sep  9 00:14:25 2004
From: d.dick at uws.edu.au (Darren DICK)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 15:14:25 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Same Name Validation
In-Reply-To: <b874372a040908194268fa46ee@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000001c4962b$e062fbc0$4a619a89@DDICK>

Hi Francisco
Pretty Basic
tblStudents
LastName (TEXT)
FirstName (TEXT)

That's all I want to test. Just if there is one John SMITH and 
a data entry person is entering a second one, I wanna alert them.

I was thinking of a combined dlookup with First and Last name and if
the count was greater than zero, alert the user

Many thanks

Have a great day

Darren



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Francisco Tapia
Sent: Thursday, 9 September 2004 12:42 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K: Same Name Validation


As with many things, It depends on the structure of your db

my db houses this:

Company
Address
ContactAddress
Contact

A company can have many addresses.  A user may be an employee or associated
to many Companies, I associated the contact to the company via the address
so I would know what location he is associated through.

:D




On Thu, 9 Sep 2004 11:25:43 +1000, Darren DICK <d.dick at uws.edu.au> wrote:
> Hello all
> How do you guys handle data entry users entering someone into a dB 
> with the same first and last name - quite legitimately E.G. John SMITH
> 
> How do you test for other existences of John SMITH in the db and what 
> 'alerting' do you guys use?
> 
> Many thanks in advance
> 
> Have a great day
> 
> Darren
> 
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From stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz  Thu Sep  9 03:39:24 2004
From: stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz (Stephen Bond)
Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 20:39:24 +1200
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Same Name Validation
Message-ID: <70F3D727890C784291D8433E9C418F298FC5@server.bondsoftware.co.nz>

Darren,

I do this in one of my apps: 

Function DuplicateCount(fnIn, snIn) As Long
Dim k As Variant, criteria as String
  criteria = "FirstName = '" & fnIn & "' AND LastName = '" & snIn & "'"
  k = Nz(DCount("*", "tblWhatever", criteria))
  DuplicateCount = k
End Function

I cop the overhead of another index on the table.  It's a multi-field index, it contains the FN field and the LN field, call it CombinedName, duplicates allowed. I think this is supposed to make it faster.  If it doesn't it makes me feel better anyway <g>

Stephen Bond
Otatara, New Zealand



> -----Original Message-----
> From: Darren DICK [mailto:d.dick at uws.edu.au]
> Sent: Thursday, 9 September 2004 5:14 p.m.
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K: Same Name Validation
> 
> 
> Hi Francisco
> Pretty Basic
> tblStudents
> LastName (TEXT)
> FirstName (TEXT)
> 
> That's all I want to test. Just if there is one John SMITH and 
> a data entry person is entering a second one, I wanna alert them.
> 
> I was thinking of a combined dlookup with First and Last name and if
> the count was greater than zero, alert the user
> 
> Many thanks
> 
> Have a great day
> 
> Darren
> 
> 
> 
>
> 


From gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Sep  9 03:39:34 2004
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 10:39:34 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] AHOO!!!  Got my action pack
In-Reply-To: <003501c49602$5832c600$80b3fea9@ColbyM6805>
References: <003501c49602$5832c600$80b3fea9@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <76429585.20040909103934@cactus.dk>

Hi John

> .. There is NOTHING development oriented in there.

Not even Access ...

/gustav



From Paul.Rogers at SummitMedia.co.uk  Thu Sep  9 03:52:23 2004
From: Paul.Rogers at SummitMedia.co.uk (Paul Rodgers)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 09:52:23 +0100 
Subject: [AccessD] Changing the windows' tongue
Message-ID: <EAF3070ACB1AD81182280002A51EF731192204@s003.wolds.summitmedia.co.uk>

The price was right, but the language isn't. Is there a way to change the
language to English in windows 2k, perhaps with an upgrade, please, Experts?
Cheers paul

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From mikedorism at adelphia.net  Thu Sep  9 06:27:28 2004
From: mikedorism at adelphia.net (Mike & Doris Manning)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 07:27:28 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Columnhidden in datasheet subforms
In-Reply-To: <CHECKCBKABNDCGIPOCAEOEHJCFAA.mikkel.enevoldsen@mail.tele.dk>
Message-ID: <000601c4965f$fd9c1260$7109a845@hargrove.internal>

Yes, you can do that.

Doris Manning
Database Administrator
Hargrove Inc.
www.hargroveinc.com


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mikkel Enevoldsen
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 5:32 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Columnhidden in datasheet subforms


Dear All,

Is it possible to change "columnhidden"-property (programaticly), in order
to hide certain columns in a datasheet view of a subform? Each time a record
is selected on the mainform, the subform datasheetcolumns has to change
accordingly.


Best regards

Mikkel Enevoldsen


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From mikedorism at adelphia.net  Thu Sep  9 06:29:58 2004
From: mikedorism at adelphia.net (Mike & Doris Manning)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 07:29:58 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Shrinking fields in a report
In-Reply-To: <200409081810.i88IAlv3020534@ms-smtp-03.nyroc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <000701c49660$57083900$7109a845@hargrove.internal>

If you have fields on the same line, then the line won't be able to shrink
unless all the fields can shrink.

Doris Manning
Database Administrator
Hargrove Inc.
www.hargroveinc.com


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of augusta
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 2:11 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Shrinking fields in a report


I have a report that contains basic info - Memname, business name, friends
name, address, and total sum contributed.

In the report I have on the left hand side name, business, friends name. The
middle (ideally on the same line) address, and then alittle over (once again
on the same line) is the Total Sum.

I have set all the fields to shrink, but when there is only a business and
friend name to the record, it does not shrink all the way. But when there is
a Memname and friend name, it does. This is a mystery. Any clues? IS there a
limit to the number of fields that can shrink?

Thanks 

Augusta


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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Sep  9 06:54:48 2004
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 07:54:48 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] AHOO!!!  Got my action pack
In-Reply-To: <76429585.20040909103934@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <004501c49663$d2046a90$80b3fea9@ColbyM6805>

I don't know.  It has Office, with Access I believe.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 4:40 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack


Hi John

> .. There is NOTHING development oriented in there.

Not even Access ...

/gustav

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From jimdettman at earthlink.net  Thu Sep  9 08:03:53 2004
From: jimdettman at earthlink.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 09:03:53 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] AHOO!!!  Got my action pack
In-Reply-To: <003601c49602$c8de9d70$80b3fea9@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <NEBBKADGELICHEJJCKGKOEMMKCAA.jimdettman@earthlink.net>

John (and all)

  Not that much more.  A full Action Pack subscription is $399.  I found a
MSDN Universal subscription for $875 last year.  Your talking a difference
of only $400 bucks.

Jim Dettman
President,
Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
(315) 699-3443
jimdettman at earthlink.net

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 8:20 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack


And the cost of that is MUCH more.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 6:37 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack


The action pack isn't really for developers in that sense.  It's for
partners so that the entire office can work with the same versions of the MS
applications.  The developers tools are in the MSDN Universal subscription.

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Waters [mailto:dwaters at usinternet.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 5:37 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack


John,

I didn't see Visual Studio for Applications on your list.  This would allow
setting up an installation package for Access Runtime.  I would have guessed
that this would have been included in a package for developers.  Is it
really missing?

Dan Waters

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 11:02 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack

The action pack is a deal MS offers developers or companies that develop for
or sell MS stuff.  For $300-400 they give you a ton of the latest software
and 10 licenses for all of it.  You are allowed to use it in house, but not
sell it or install it on any client machines.  It
includes:

Office Professional 2003
Office Publisher 2003
Office Frontpage 2003
Office Visio Professional 2003
Office Project Professional 2003
Business contact Manager for Outlook 2003
Office OneNote 2003
MapPoint 2004 Standard Edition
Windows XP Professional
Virtual PC 2004
Office Infopath 2003
Business Solutions CRM Professional
Windows Server 2003 Standard Edition
Windows Server 2003 Web Edition
Exchange Server 2003 Enterprise Edition
Office Project Server 2003
Office Sharepoint Server 2003
Office Live Communications Server 2003
SQL Server 2000 Standard Edition (damn!)
SQL Server 2000 Service Pack 3a
SQL Server Reporting Services
Mobile Information Server 2002
Swindows Sharepoint Services Standard 2003
Windows Small Business Server 2003 Premium Edition

What is all this stuff you may ask.  No idea.

The package appears to also come with some kind of training CD for each ofr
these things.  No books, must all be on CD.  A neat little (BIG) organizer
size canvas folder to hold the disks.  Nothing to hold the training
materials (C'mon MS, another folder to hold that and the sleeves hole
punched would have made it so much more professional).

http://members.microsoft.com/partner/salesmarketing/partnermarket/action
pack
/actionpackus.aspx

Watch for wrap.

I had been looking at this package for awhile in order to bring my office
into the modern age (as defined by MS).

So there you have it.  A lot of stuff for a medium price (one year license
though!).  But it gives you 10 licenses.  I can put XP on all my desktops,
Server 2003 on both my new "server" machines, look at and possibly use
Office 2003 on my machines etc.  I have a home office with 2 "server class"
machines and 2 desktop machines, plus one modern laptop and an old POS
laptop that I am currently re-installing Win2K Pro on. Being able to get a
consistent platform on everything might be nice.

I had hoped to see 64bit OS and SQL Server included - they apparently do
exists, but not in here.  8-(

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lonnie Johnson
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 2:48 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack


What's the main advantage to having the Action pack?

"John W. Colby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
I just got my MS Action pack, very nice. So much to know, so little time.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


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From jimdettman at earthlink.net  Thu Sep  9 08:06:58 2004
From: jimdettman at earthlink.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 09:06:58 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] AHOO!!!  Got my action pack
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312A3B@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <NEBBKADGELICHEJJCKGKCEMNKCAA.jimdettman@earthlink.net>

Charlotte,

  Actually it's geared for salesmen to sell and demo Microsoft products.

Jim Dettman
President,
Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
(315) 699-3443
jimdettman at earthlink.net 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 6:37 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack


The action pack isn't really for developers in that sense.  It's for
partners so that the entire office can work with the same versions of
the MS applications.  The developers tools are in the MSDN Universal
subscription.

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Waters [mailto:dwaters at usinternet.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 5:37 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack


John,

I didn't see Visual Studio for Applications on your list.  This would
allow setting up an installation package for Access Runtime.  I would
have guessed that this would have been included in a package for
developers.  Is it really missing?

Dan Waters

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 11:02 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack

The action pack is a deal MS offers developers or companies that develop
for or sell MS stuff.  For $300-400 they give you a ton of the latest
software and 10 licenses for all of it.  You are allowed to use it in
house, but not sell it or install it on any client machines.  It
includes:

Office Professional 2003
Office Publisher 2003
Office Frontpage 2003
Office Visio Professional 2003
Office Project Professional 2003
Business contact Manager for Outlook 2003
Office OneNote 2003
MapPoint 2004 Standard Edition
Windows XP Professional
Virtual PC 2004
Office Infopath 2003
Business Solutions CRM Professional
Windows Server 2003 Standard Edition
Windows Server 2003 Web Edition
Exchange Server 2003 Enterprise Edition
Office Project Server 2003
Office Sharepoint Server 2003
Office Live Communications Server 2003
SQL Server 2000 Standard Edition (damn!)
SQL Server 2000 Service Pack 3a
SQL Server Reporting Services
Mobile Information Server 2002
Swindows Sharepoint Services Standard 2003
Windows Small Business Server 2003 Premium Edition

What is all this stuff you may ask.  No idea.

The package appears to also come with some kind of training CD for each
ofr these things.  No books, must all be on CD.  A neat little (BIG)
organizer size canvas folder to hold the disks.  Nothing to hold the
training materials (C'mon MS, another folder to hold that and the
sleeves hole punched would have made it so much more professional).

http://members.microsoft.com/partner/salesmarketing/partnermarket/action
pack
/actionpackus.aspx

Watch for wrap.

I had been looking at this package for awhile in order to bring my
office into the modern age (as defined by MS).  

So there you have it.  A lot of stuff for a medium price (one year
license though!).  But it gives you 10 licenses.  I can put XP on all my
desktops, Server 2003 on both my new "server" machines, look at and
possibly use Office 2003 on my machines etc.  I have a home office with
2 "server class" machines and 2 desktop machines, plus one modern laptop
and an old POS laptop that I am currently re-installing Win2K Pro on.
Being able to get a consistent platform on everything might be nice.

I had hoped to see 64bit OS and SQL Server included - they apparently do
exists, but not in here.  8-(

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lonnie
Johnson
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 2:48 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack


What's the main advantage to having the Action pack?

"John W. Colby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
I just got my MS Action pack, very nice. So much to know, so little
time.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


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From bheid at appdevgrp.com  Thu Sep  9 09:07:40 2004
From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 10:07:40 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] AHOO!!!  Got my action pack
In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30986FF1@ADGSERVER>
Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA305BB7F2@ADGSERVER>

That sounds like the price for the academic version of MSDN Universal.

Provantage has the Universal version (non academic) for $2426.49
http://tinyurl.com/6wj8j
http://www.provantage.com/buy-7MCSN005-microsoft-developer-network-msdn-univ
ersal-v7-0-subscription-534-02125-shopping.htm

Enterprise edition (non academic) $1913.79
http://tinyurl.com/5uuro
http://www.provantage.com/buy-7MCSN008-microsoft-developer-network-msdn-ente
rprise-v7-0-subscription-shopping.htm

Enterprise edition (academic) $574.79
http://tinyurl.com/5qcct
http://www.provantage.com/buy-22062410-microsoft-developer-network-msdn-acad
emic-editions-enterprise-v7-0-subscription-ae-shopping.htm

They do not (that I can see) have the Universal academic version.

Bobby

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 9:04 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack


John (and all)

  Not that much more.  A full Action Pack subscription is $399.  I found a
MSDN Universal subscription for $875 last year.  Your talking a difference
of only $400 bucks.

Jim Dettman
President,
Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
(315) 699-3443
jimdettman at earthlink.net

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 8:20 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack


And the cost of that is MUCH more.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 6:37 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack


The action pack isn't really for developers in that sense.  It's for
partners so that the entire office can work with the same versions of the MS
applications.  The developers tools are in the MSDN Universal subscription.

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Waters [mailto:dwaters at usinternet.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 5:37 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack


John,

I didn't see Visual Studio for Applications on your list.  This would allow
setting up an installation package for Access Runtime.  I would have guessed
that this would have been included in a package for developers.  Is it
really missing?

Dan Waters

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 11:02 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack

The action pack is a deal MS offers developers or companies that develop for
or sell MS stuff.  For $300-400 they give you a ton of the latest software
and 10 licenses for all of it.  You are allowed to use it in house, but not
sell it or install it on any client machines.  It
includes:

Office Professional 2003
Office Publisher 2003
Office Frontpage 2003
Office Visio Professional 2003
Office Project Professional 2003
Business contact Manager for Outlook 2003
Office OneNote 2003
MapPoint 2004 Standard Edition
Windows XP Professional
Virtual PC 2004
Office Infopath 2003
Business Solutions CRM Professional
Windows Server 2003 Standard Edition
Windows Server 2003 Web Edition
Exchange Server 2003 Enterprise Edition
Office Project Server 2003
Office Sharepoint Server 2003
Office Live Communications Server 2003
SQL Server 2000 Standard Edition (damn!)
SQL Server 2000 Service Pack 3a
SQL Server Reporting Services
Mobile Information Server 2002
Swindows Sharepoint Services Standard 2003
Windows Small Business Server 2003 Premium Edition

What is all this stuff you may ask.  No idea.

The package appears to also come with some kind of training CD for each ofr
these things.  No books, must all be on CD.  A neat little (BIG) organizer
size canvas folder to hold the disks.  Nothing to hold the training
materials (C'mon MS, another folder to hold that and the sleeves hole
punched would have made it so much more professional).

http://members.microsoft.com/partner/salesmarketing/partnermarket/action
pack
/actionpackus.aspx

Watch for wrap.

I had been looking at this package for awhile in order to bring my office
into the modern age (as defined by MS).

So there you have it.  A lot of stuff for a medium price (one year license
though!).  But it gives you 10 licenses.  I can put XP on all my desktops,
Server 2003 on both my new "server" machines, look at and possibly use
Office 2003 on my machines etc.  I have a home office with 2 "server class"
machines and 2 desktop machines, plus one modern laptop and an old POS
laptop that I am currently re-installing Win2K Pro on. Being able to get a
consistent platform on everything might be nice.

I had hoped to see 64bit OS and SQL Server included - they apparently do
exists, but not in here.  8-(

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lonnie Johnson
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 2:48 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack


What's the main advantage to having the Action pack?

"John W. Colby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
I just got my MS Action pack, very nice. So much to know, so little time.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


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From GregSmith at starband.net  Wed Sep  8 09:42:15 2004
From: GregSmith at starband.net (Greg Smith)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 09:42:15 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [AccessD] AHOO!!!  Got my action pack
In-Reply-To: <001b01c49577$d3bcd030$80b3fea9@ColbyM6805>
References: <057e01c49561$9d9328d0$6601a8c0@HAL9002>
	<001b01c49577$d3bcd030$80b3fea9@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <1496.216.43.21.234.1094654535.squirrel@cetus.email.starband.net>

Hi everyone.

I have had the MS Action Pack now for two years and I really like it.  I
had to 'join' the Partners section this last spring in order to renew my
action pack for the next year, but that was at no additional cost to me.

The licensing is this:  You initially purchase the Action Pack for $xxx.xx
(I've heard different amounts, so whatever the price is) for the first
year.  You now have a one-year MS License for all of the products in the
Pack.  You can install, register, etc.  Just not sell.  At the end of the
licensing year (for you), you may renew your subscription for $199 for
another year's subscription or not.  If you renew, your Action Packs
(quarterly) continue.  If you do not renew, then, the caveat begins.  You
must remove all of the Action Pack software from your computers, and,
believe it or not, you DID agree to this when you signed up (somewhere in
the King James version of the licensing agreement...:P....).

Well, I'm continuing with the renewal because of the access to premium MS
software with valid licensing and a resonable price.  Where else could you
get 10 or more licenses of MS Office 2003 and Windows XP?  Legal copies,
no less either!  That in and of itself has paid for the Action Pack for
me.  Even if I DO have to renew each year.

Just my thoughts.

Greg Smith


> I don't know.  I know that the license "expires" after 1 year, but it
> appears that these are just real copies of these various things.  I
> doubt they quit working.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
> - Beach Access Software
> Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 1:07 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack
>
>
> John:
>
> Thanks for the rundown.  I've being trying to decide between that and
> the partner program.  This one looks god.  Except what's that about a
> one-year license.  Does your copy of Office 2003 crap out after one
> year?
>
> Rocky
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John W. Colby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 9:01 PM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack
>
>
>> The action pack is a deal MS offers developers or companies that
>> develop
> for
>> or sell MS stuff.  For $300-400 they give you a ton of the latest
>> software and 10 licenses for all of it.  You are allowed to use it in
>> house, but
> not
>> sell it or install it on any client machines.  It includes:
>>
>> Office Professional 2003
>> Office Publisher 2003
>> Office Frontpage 2003
>> Office Visio Professional 2003
>> Office Project Professional 2003
>> Business contact Manager for Outlook 2003
>> Office OneNote 2003
>> MapPoint 2004 Standard Edition
>> Windows XP Professional
>> Virtual PC 2004
>> Office Infopath 2003
>> Business Solutions CRM Professional
>> Windows Server 2003 Standard Edition
>> Windows Server 2003 Web Edition
>> Exchange Server 2003 Enterprise Edition
>> Office Project Server 2003
>> Office Sharepoint Server 2003
>> Office Live Communications Server 2003
>> SQL Server 2000 Standard Edition (damn!)
>> SQL Server 2000 Service Pack 3a
>> SQL Server Reporting Services
>> Mobile Information Server 2002
>> Swindows Sharepoint Services Standard 2003
>> Windows Small Business Server 2003 Premium Edition
>>
>> What is all this stuff you may ask.  No idea.
>>
>> The package appears to also come with some kind of training CD for
>> each
> ofr
>> these things.  No books, must all be on CD.  A neat little (BIG)
>> organizer size canvas folder to hold the disks.  Nothing to hold the
>> training materials (C'mon MS, another folder to hold that and the
>> sleeves hole punched would have made it so much more professional).
>>
>>
> http://members.microsoft.com/partner/salesmarketing/partnermarket/actionpack
>> /actionpackus.aspx
>>
>> Watch for wrap.
>>
>> I had been looking at this package for awhile in order to bring my
>> office into the modern age (as defined by MS).
>>
>> So there you have it.  A lot of stuff for a medium price (one year
>> license though!).  But it gives you 10 licenses.  I can put XP on all
>> my desktops, Server 2003 on both my new "server" machines, look at and
>>  possibly use Office 2003 on my machines etc.  I have a home office
>> with 2 "server
> class"
>> machines and 2 desktop machines, plus one modern laptop and an old POS
>>  laptop that I am currently re-installing Win2K Pro on.  Being able to
>>  get
> a
>> consistent platform on everything might be nice.
>>
>> I had hoped to see 64bit OS and SQL Server included - they apparently
>> do exists, but not in here.  8-(
>>
>> John W. Colby
>> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lonnie
>> Johnson
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 2:48 PM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack
>>
>>
>> What's the main advantage to having the Action pack?
>>
>> "John W. Colby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
>> I just got my MS Action pack, very nice. So much to know, so little
>> time.
>>
>> John W. Colby
>> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>>
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From awithing at twcny.rr.com  Thu Sep  9 09:24:07 2004
From: awithing at twcny.rr.com (augusta)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 10:24:07 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Shrinking fields in a report
In-Reply-To: <000701c49660$57083900$7109a845@hargrove.internal>
Message-ID: <200409091424.i89EOAZx021968@ms-smtp-01.nyroc.rr.com>

Yes I do have fields on the same line and they are all set to CanShrink.
There are no labels. . . 

Still does not shrink.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mike & Doris
Manning
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 7:30 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Shrinking fields in a report

If you have fields on the same line, then the line won't be able to shrink
unless all the fields can shrink.

Doris Manning
Database Administrator
Hargrove Inc.
www.hargroveinc.com


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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of augusta
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 2:11 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Shrinking fields in a report


I have a report that contains basic info - Memname, business name, friends
name, address, and total sum contributed.

In the report I have on the left hand side name, business, friends name. The
middle (ideally on the same line) address, and then alittle over (once again
on the same line) is the Total Sum.

I have set all the fields to shrink, but when there is only a business and
friend name to the record, it does not shrink all the way. But when there is
a Memname and friend name, it does. This is a mystery. Any clues? IS there a
limit to the number of fields that can shrink?

Thanks 

Augusta


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From john at winhaven.net  Thu Sep  9 09:28:36 2004
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 09:28:36 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] AHOO!!!  Got my action pack
In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA305BB7F2@ADGSERVER>
Message-ID: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJAECJHJAA.john@winhaven.net>

No, full version! Jim steered me to buying MSDN Universal from a eBay site
rather than direct from MS. Saved big time. In fact because of the savings I
make because of this one piece of advice (that I got on this list) I now
consistently donate $120 a year ($10 per month) to AccessD to help keep it
going. I urge you all to do the same!

You get everything with MSDN Universal, including development. For the cost
of this you come out way ahead of just purchasing Office developer. You get
all the Windows OSs, You get SQL Server, SBS, VS.Net, yada, yada, yada. In
fact, before I got it all on DVD instead of CD it was almost too much!

While the action pack sounds nice, for developer (IMO) MSDN Universal 'tis
the way to go!

John B.

PS: thanks again Jim and AccessD!

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Bobby Heid
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 9:08 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack


That sounds like the price for the academic version of MSDN Universal.

Provantage has the Universal version (non academic) for $2426.49
http://tinyurl.com/6wj8j
http://www.provantage.com/buy-7MCSN005-microsoft-developer-network-msdn-univ
ersal-v7-0-subscription-534-02125-shopping.htm

Enterprise edition (non academic) $1913.79
http://tinyurl.com/5uuro
http://www.provantage.com/buy-7MCSN008-microsoft-developer-network-msdn-ente
rprise-v7-0-subscription-shopping.htm

Enterprise edition (academic) $574.79
http://tinyurl.com/5qcct
http://www.provantage.com/buy-22062410-microsoft-developer-network-msdn-acad
emic-editions-enterprise-v7-0-subscription-ae-shopping.htm

They do not (that I can see) have the Universal academic version.

Bobby

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 9:04 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack


John (and all)

  Not that much more.  A full Action Pack subscription is $399.  I found a
MSDN Universal subscription for $875 last year.  Your talking a difference
of only $400 bucks.

Jim Dettman
President,
Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
(315) 699-3443
jimdettman at earthlink.net

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 8:20 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack


And the cost of that is MUCH more.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 6:37 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack


The action pack isn't really for developers in that sense.  It's for
partners so that the entire office can work with the same versions of the MS
applications.  The developers tools are in the MSDN Universal subscription.

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Waters [mailto:dwaters at usinternet.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 5:37 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack


John,

I didn't see Visual Studio for Applications on your list.  This would allow
setting up an installation package for Access Runtime.  I would have guessed
that this would have been included in a package for developers.  Is it
really missing?

Dan Waters

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 11:02 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack

The action pack is a deal MS offers developers or companies that develop for
or sell MS stuff.  For $300-400 they give you a ton of the latest software
and 10 licenses for all of it.  You are allowed to use it in house, but not
sell it or install it on any client machines.  It
includes:

Office Professional 2003
Office Publisher 2003
Office Frontpage 2003
Office Visio Professional 2003
Office Project Professional 2003
Business contact Manager for Outlook 2003
Office OneNote 2003
MapPoint 2004 Standard Edition
Windows XP Professional
Virtual PC 2004
Office Infopath 2003
Business Solutions CRM Professional
Windows Server 2003 Standard Edition
Windows Server 2003 Web Edition
Exchange Server 2003 Enterprise Edition
Office Project Server 2003
Office Sharepoint Server 2003
Office Live Communications Server 2003
SQL Server 2000 Standard Edition (damn!)
SQL Server 2000 Service Pack 3a
SQL Server Reporting Services
Mobile Information Server 2002
Swindows Sharepoint Services Standard 2003
Windows Small Business Server 2003 Premium Edition

What is all this stuff you may ask.  No idea.

The package appears to also come with some kind of training CD for each ofr
these things.  No books, must all be on CD.  A neat little (BIG) organizer
size canvas folder to hold the disks.  Nothing to hold the training
materials (C'mon MS, another folder to hold that and the sleeves hole
punched would have made it so much more professional).

http://members.microsoft.com/partner/salesmarketing/partnermarket/action
pack
/actionpackus.aspx

Watch for wrap.

I had been looking at this package for awhile in order to bring my office
into the modern age (as defined by MS).

So there you have it.  A lot of stuff for a medium price (one year license
though!).  But it gives you 10 licenses.  I can put XP on all my desktops,
Server 2003 on both my new "server" machines, look at and possibly use
Office 2003 on my machines etc.  I have a home office with 2 "server class"
machines and 2 desktop machines, plus one modern laptop and an old POS
laptop that I am currently re-installing Win2K Pro on. Being able to get a
consistent platform on everything might be nice.

I had hoped to see 64bit OS and SQL Server included - they apparently do
exists, but not in here.  8-(

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lonnie Johnson
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 2:48 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack


What's the main advantage to having the Action pack?

"John W. Colby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
I just got my MS Action pack, very nice. So much to know, so little time.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


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From R.Griffiths at bury.gov.uk  Thu Sep  9 09:29:31 2004
From: R.Griffiths at bury.gov.uk (Griffiths, Richard)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 15:29:31 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] A2K of AXP
Message-ID: <F37DAC9A2964B144A2973EBCA8C54DBDABD3CE@BURY2K23.bury.gov.uk>

Hi

 

I have been a very happy developer using A97, I am now about to user AXP
as a backend.  I have now to decide which format of BE to user A2000 of
A2002.

 

Can anyone please advise. BTW the FE will be VB.net (if this makes a
difference)

 

TIA

 

Richard



From jimdettman at earthlink.net  Thu Sep  9 09:31:11 2004
From: jimdettman at earthlink.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 10:31:11 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] AHOO!!!  Got my action pack
In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA305BB7F2@ADGSERVER>
Message-ID: <NEBBKADGELICHEJJCKGKEENDKCAA.jimdettman@earthlink.net>

Bobby,

<<That sounds like the price for the academic version of MSDN Universal.>>

  No, it's the price for the full version.  The prices published by
Microsoft are suggested list prices.  Microsoft Partners however can sell
them for whatever they like.

  I too was skeptical at first, but I've purchased three years running
through this reseller and have not had a single problem.  First time around
I even called Microsoft to confirm that I had a valid subscription.

  BTW, I just double checked and the price has gone up.  $875 was the first
year, $1055 second, and $1175 this past year.  So  there is a bigger
difference then $400.  I think though that I got the $300 off rebate all 3
years for ordering on DVD.  I'd have to go back and check on that.

Jim Dettman
President,
Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
(315) 699-3443
jimdettman at earthlink.net

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Bobby Heid
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 10:08 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack


That sounds like the price for the academic version of MSDN Universal.

Provantage has the Universal version (non academic) for $2426.49
http://tinyurl.com/6wj8j
http://www.provantage.com/buy-7MCSN005-microsoft-developer-network-msdn-univ
ersal-v7-0-subscription-534-02125-shopping.htm

Enterprise edition (non academic) $1913.79
http://tinyurl.com/5uuro
http://www.provantage.com/buy-7MCSN008-microsoft-developer-network-msdn-ente
rprise-v7-0-subscription-shopping.htm

Enterprise edition (academic) $574.79
http://tinyurl.com/5qcct
http://www.provantage.com/buy-22062410-microsoft-developer-network-msdn-acad
emic-editions-enterprise-v7-0-subscription-ae-shopping.htm

They do not (that I can see) have the Universal academic version.

Bobby

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 9:04 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack


John (and all)

  Not that much more.  A full Action Pack subscription is $399.  I found a
MSDN Universal subscription for $875 last year.  Your talking a difference
of only $400 bucks.

Jim Dettman
President,
Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
(315) 699-3443
jimdettman at earthlink.net

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 8:20 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack


And the cost of that is MUCH more.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 6:37 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack


The action pack isn't really for developers in that sense.  It's for
partners so that the entire office can work with the same versions of the MS
applications.  The developers tools are in the MSDN Universal subscription.

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Waters [mailto:dwaters at usinternet.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 5:37 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack


John,

I didn't see Visual Studio for Applications on your list.  This would allow
setting up an installation package for Access Runtime.  I would have guessed
that this would have been included in a package for developers.  Is it
really missing?

Dan Waters

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 11:02 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack

The action pack is a deal MS offers developers or companies that develop for
or sell MS stuff.  For $300-400 they give you a ton of the latest software
and 10 licenses for all of it.  You are allowed to use it in house, but not
sell it or install it on any client machines.  It
includes:

Office Professional 2003
Office Publisher 2003
Office Frontpage 2003
Office Visio Professional 2003
Office Project Professional 2003
Business contact Manager for Outlook 2003
Office OneNote 2003
MapPoint 2004 Standard Edition
Windows XP Professional
Virtual PC 2004
Office Infopath 2003
Business Solutions CRM Professional
Windows Server 2003 Standard Edition
Windows Server 2003 Web Edition
Exchange Server 2003 Enterprise Edition
Office Project Server 2003
Office Sharepoint Server 2003
Office Live Communications Server 2003
SQL Server 2000 Standard Edition (damn!)
SQL Server 2000 Service Pack 3a
SQL Server Reporting Services
Mobile Information Server 2002
Swindows Sharepoint Services Standard 2003
Windows Small Business Server 2003 Premium Edition

What is all this stuff you may ask.  No idea.

The package appears to also come with some kind of training CD for each ofr
these things.  No books, must all be on CD.  A neat little (BIG) organizer
size canvas folder to hold the disks.  Nothing to hold the training
materials (C'mon MS, another folder to hold that and the sleeves hole
punched would have made it so much more professional).

http://members.microsoft.com/partner/salesmarketing/partnermarket/action
pack
/actionpackus.aspx

Watch for wrap.

I had been looking at this package for awhile in order to bring my office
into the modern age (as defined by MS).

So there you have it.  A lot of stuff for a medium price (one year license
though!).  But it gives you 10 licenses.  I can put XP on all my desktops,
Server 2003 on both my new "server" machines, look at and possibly use
Office 2003 on my machines etc.  I have a home office with 2 "server class"
machines and 2 desktop machines, plus one modern laptop and an old POS
laptop that I am currently re-installing Win2K Pro on. Being able to get a
consistent platform on everything might be nice.

I had hoped to see 64bit OS and SQL Server included - they apparently do
exists, but not in here.  8-(

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lonnie Johnson
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 2:48 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack


What's the main advantage to having the Action pack?

"John W. Colby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
I just got my MS Action pack, very nice. So much to know, so little time.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Sep  9 09:53:48 2004
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 10:53:48 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] AHOO!!!  Got my action pack
In-Reply-To: <1496.216.43.21.234.1094654535.squirrel@cetus.email.starband.net>
Message-ID: <004701c4967c$d38730a0$80b3fea9@ColbyM6805>

>Where else could you get 10 or more licenses of MS Office 2003 and Windows
XP?  Legal copies, no less either!

And that was my thought exactly.  Not to mention legal seats for SQL Server,
various server editions etc.

I have 5 computers running a mishmash of software.  With the action pack I
will get my two new machines running Windows Server 2000.  SQL Server on
one, IIS server on the other.  XP Pro on my workstations.  Office 2003 on
all the workstations.  I've always wanted to learn more about things like
exchange server so I can set it up as well.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Greg Smith
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 10:42 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack


Hi everyone.

I have had the MS Action Pack now for two years and I really like it.  I had
to 'join' the Partners section this last spring in order to renew my action
pack for the next year, but that was at no additional cost to me.

The licensing is this:  You initially purchase the Action Pack for $xxx.xx
(I've heard different amounts, so whatever the price is) for the first year.
You now have a one-year MS License for all of the products in the Pack.  You
can install, register, etc.  Just not sell.  At the end of the licensing
year (for you), you may renew your subscription for $199 for another year's
subscription or not.  If you renew, your Action Packs
(quarterly) continue.  If you do not renew, then, the caveat begins.  You
must remove all of the Action Pack software from your computers, and,
believe it or not, you DID agree to this when you signed up (somewhere in
the King James version of the licensing agreement...:P....).

Well, I'm continuing with the renewal because of the access to premium MS
software with valid licensing and a resonable price.  Where else could you
get 10 or more licenses of MS Office 2003 and Windows XP?  Legal copies, no
less either!  That in and of itself has paid for the Action Pack for me.
Even if I DO have to renew each year.

Just my thoughts.

Greg Smith


> I don't know.  I know that the license "expires" after 1 year, but it 
> appears that these are just real copies of these various things.  I 
> doubt they quit working.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky 
> Smolin
> - Beach Access Software
> Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 1:07 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack
>
>
> John:
>
> Thanks for the rundown.  I've being trying to decide between that and 
> the partner program.  This one looks god.  Except what's that about a 
> one-year license.  Does your copy of Office 2003 crap out after one 
> year?
>
> Rocky
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John W. Colby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 9:01 PM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack
>
>
>> The action pack is a deal MS offers developers or companies that 
>> develop
> for
>> or sell MS stuff.  For $300-400 they give you a ton of the latest 
>> software and 10 licenses for all of it.  You are allowed to use it in 
>> house, but
> not
>> sell it or install it on any client machines.  It includes:
>>
>> Office Professional 2003
>> Office Publisher 2003
>> Office Frontpage 2003
>> Office Visio Professional 2003
>> Office Project Professional 2003
>> Business contact Manager for Outlook 2003
>> Office OneNote 2003
>> MapPoint 2004 Standard Edition
>> Windows XP Professional
>> Virtual PC 2004
>> Office Infopath 2003
>> Business Solutions CRM Professional
>> Windows Server 2003 Standard Edition
>> Windows Server 2003 Web Edition
>> Exchange Server 2003 Enterprise Edition
>> Office Project Server 2003
>> Office Sharepoint Server 2003
>> Office Live Communications Server 2003
>> SQL Server 2000 Standard Edition (damn!)
>> SQL Server 2000 Service Pack 3a
>> SQL Server Reporting Services
>> Mobile Information Server 2002
>> Swindows Sharepoint Services Standard 2003
>> Windows Small Business Server 2003 Premium Edition
>>
>> What is all this stuff you may ask.  No idea.
>>
>> The package appears to also come with some kind of training CD for 
>> each
> ofr
>> these things.  No books, must all be on CD.  A neat little (BIG) 
>> organizer size canvas folder to hold the disks.  Nothing to hold the 
>> training materials (C'mon MS, another folder to hold that and the 
>> sleeves hole punched would have made it so much more professional).
>>
>>
> http://members.microsoft.com/partner/salesmarketing/partnermarket/acti
> onpack
>> /actionpackus.aspx
>>
>> Watch for wrap.
>>
>> I had been looking at this package for awhile in order to bring my 
>> office into the modern age (as defined by MS).
>>
>> So there you have it.  A lot of stuff for a medium price (one year 
>> license though!).  But it gives you 10 licenses.  I can put XP on all 
>> my desktops, Server 2003 on both my new "server" machines, look at 
>> and  possibly use Office 2003 on my machines etc.  I have a home 
>> office with 2 "server
> class"
>> machines and 2 desktop machines, plus one modern laptop and an old 
>> POS  laptop that I am currently re-installing Win2K Pro on.  Being 
>> able to  get
> a
>> consistent platform on everything might be nice.
>>
>> I had hoped to see 64bit OS and SQL Server included - they apparently 
>> do exists, but not in here.  8-(
>>
>> John W. Colby
>> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lonnie 
>> Johnson
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 2:48 PM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack
>>
>>
>> What's the main advantage to having the Action pack?
>>
>> "John W. Colby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
>> I just got my MS Action pack, very nice. So much to know, so little 
>> time.
>>
>> John W. Colby
>> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>>
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From bheid at appdevgrp.com  Thu Sep  9 09:57:36 2004
From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 10:57:36 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Shrinking fields in a report
In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA3098701E@ADGSERVER>
Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA305BB7F5@ADGSERVER>

All of the fields have to be empty for them all to shrink.

Bobby

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of augusta
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 10:24 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Shrinking fields in a report


Yes I do have fields on the same line and they are all set to CanShrink.
There are no labels. . . 

Still does not shrink.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mike & Doris
Manning
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 7:30 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Shrinking fields in a report

If you have fields on the same line, then the line won't be able to shrink
unless all the fields can shrink.

Doris Manning
Database Administrator
Hargrove Inc.
www.hargroveinc.com


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of augusta
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 2:11 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Shrinking fields in a report


I have a report that contains basic info - Memname, business name, friends
name, address, and total sum contributed.

In the report I have on the left hand side name, business, friends name. The
middle (ideally on the same line) address, and then alittle over (once again
on the same line) is the Total Sum.

I have set all the fields to shrink, but when there is only a business and
friend name to the record, it does not shrink all the way. But when there is
a Memname and friend name, it does. This is a mystery. Any clues? IS there a
limit to the number of fields that can shrink?

Thanks 

Augusta


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From BBarabash at TappeConstruction.com  Thu Sep  9 10:03:29 2004
From: BBarabash at TappeConstruction.com (Brett Barabash)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 10:03:29 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] AHOO!!!  Got my action pack
Message-ID: <100F91B31300334B89EC531C9DCB0865065937@tccexch01.tappeconstruction.net>

Jim,
I talked to your contact in April before purchasing our subscriptions,
and was quoted a price of $1675 each.  He pointed out the Microsoft has
changed their distribution strategy and thus has gained more control
over prices being charged by independent vendors :-(

I shopped around and ended up purchasing from these guys:
http://www.softwaremore-usa.com/msun70.html

FULL MSDN Universal 7.0 subscription for $1050.00.  Not an academic
edition, and the disks shipped immediately from MS headquarters.  I
would highly recommend this vendor.

(Back when I purchased mine, MS also had a $300.00 rebate for purchasing
this software on DVD.  Unfortunately it is no more...)

Bobby,
Don't waste your time on an Academic subscription.  The licensing
agreements normally prohibit using it to develop software for clients.

All,
Even though the MSDN subscription (and updates) lasts for only a year,
the software has a perpetual license:
http://msdn.microsoft.com/subscriptions/faq/default.aspx#licensing

However, there are certain limitations to the use of the software (e.g.
you can use SQL Server for development, but you can't run your company's
DB server with it!)


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby Heid
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 9:08 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack


That sounds like the price for the academic version of MSDN Universal.

Provantage has the Universal version (non academic) for $2426.49
http://tinyurl.com/6wj8j
http://www.provantage.com/buy-7MCSN005-microsoft-developer-network-msdn-
univ
ersal-v7-0-subscription-534-02125-shopping.htm

Enterprise edition (non academic) $1913.79 http://tinyurl.com/5uuro
http://www.provantage.com/buy-7MCSN008-microsoft-developer-network-msdn-
ente
rprise-v7-0-subscription-shopping.htm

Enterprise edition (academic) $574.79
http://tinyurl.com/5qcct
http://www.provantage.com/buy-22062410-microsoft-developer-network-msdn-
acad
emic-editions-enterprise-v7-0-subscription-ae-shopping.htm

They do not (that I can see) have the Universal academic version.

Bobby

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 9:04 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack


John (and all)

  Not that much more.  A full Action Pack subscription is $399.  I found
a MSDN Universal subscription for $875 last year.  Your talking a
difference of only $400 bucks.

Jim Dettman
President,
Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
(315) 699-3443
jimdettman at earthlink.net

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 8:20 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack


And the cost of that is MUCH more.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 6:37 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack


The action pack isn't really for developers in that sense.  It's for
partners so that the entire office can work with the same versions of
the MS applications.  The developers tools are in the MSDN Universal
subscription.

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Waters [mailto:dwaters at usinternet.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 5:37 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack


John,

I didn't see Visual Studio for Applications on your list.  This would
allow setting up an installation package for Access Runtime.  I would
have guessed that this would have been included in a package for
developers.  Is it really missing?

Dan Waters

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 11:02 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack

The action pack is a deal MS offers developers or companies that develop
for or sell MS stuff.  For $300-400 they give you a ton of the latest
software and 10 licenses for all of it.  You are allowed to use it in
house, but not sell it or install it on any client machines.  It
includes:

Office Professional 2003
Office Publisher 2003
Office Frontpage 2003
Office Visio Professional 2003
Office Project Professional 2003
Business contact Manager for Outlook 2003 Office OneNote 2003 MapPoint
2004 Standard Edition Windows XP Professional Virtual PC 2004 Office
Infopath 2003 Business Solutions CRM Professional Windows Server 2003
Standard Edition Windows Server 2003 Web Edition Exchange Server 2003
Enterprise Edition Office Project Server 2003 Office Sharepoint Server
2003 Office Live Communications Server 2003 SQL Server 2000 Standard
Edition (damn!) SQL Server 2000 Service Pack 3a SQL Server Reporting
Services Mobile Information Server 2002 Swindows Sharepoint Services
Standard 2003 Windows Small Business Server 2003 Premium Edition

What is all this stuff you may ask.  No idea.

The package appears to also come with some kind of training CD for each
ofr these things.  No books, must all be on CD.  A neat little (BIG)
organizer size canvas folder to hold the disks.  Nothing to hold the
training materials (C'mon MS, another folder to hold that and the
sleeves hole punched would have made it so much more professional).

http://members.microsoft.com/partner/salesmarketing/partnermarket/action
pack
/actionpackus.aspx

Watch for wrap.

I had been looking at this package for awhile in order to bring my
office into the modern age (as defined by MS).

So there you have it.  A lot of stuff for a medium price (one year
license though!).  But it gives you 10 licenses.  I can put XP on all my
desktops, Server 2003 on both my new "server" machines, look at and
possibly use Office 2003 on my machines etc.  I have a home office with
2 "server class"
machines and 2 desktop machines, plus one modern laptop and an old POS
laptop that I am currently re-installing Win2K Pro on. Being able to get
a consistent platform on everything might be nice.

I had hoped to see 64bit OS and SQL Server included - they apparently do
exists, but not in here.  8-(

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lonnie
Johnson
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 2:48 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack


What's the main advantage to having the Action pack?

"John W. Colby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
I just got my MS Action pack, very nice. So much to know, so little
time.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


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From jimdettman at earthlink.net  Thu Sep  9 10:37:11 2004
From: jimdettman at earthlink.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 11:37:11 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] AHOO!!!  Got my action pack
In-Reply-To: <100F91B31300334B89EC531C9DCB0865065937@tccexch01.tappeconstruction.net>
Message-ID: <NEBBKADGELICHEJJCKGKCENIKCAA.jimdettman@earthlink.net>

Brett,

<<He pointed out the Microsoft has
changed their distribution strategy and thus has gained more control
over prices being charged by independent vendors :-(>>

 Bummer.  Thanks for passing that link along though!  My subscription is
going to be up soon<g>.


Jim Dettman
President,
Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
(315) 699-3443
jimdettman at earthlink.net

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Brett Barabash
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 11:03 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack


Jim,
I talked to your contact in April before purchasing our subscriptions,
and was quoted a price of $1675 each.  He pointed out the Microsoft has
changed their distribution strategy and thus has gained more control
over prices being charged by independent vendors :-(

I shopped around and ended up purchasing from these guys:
http://www.softwaremore-usa.com/msun70.html

FULL MSDN Universal 7.0 subscription for $1050.00.  Not an academic
edition, and the disks shipped immediately from MS headquarters.  I
would highly recommend this vendor.

(Back when I purchased mine, MS also had a $300.00 rebate for purchasing
this software on DVD.  Unfortunately it is no more...)

Bobby,
Don't waste your time on an Academic subscription.  The licensing
agreements normally prohibit using it to develop software for clients.

All,
Even though the MSDN subscription (and updates) lasts for only a year,
the software has a perpetual license:
http://msdn.microsoft.com/subscriptions/faq/default.aspx#licensing

However, there are certain limitations to the use of the software (e.g.
you can use SQL Server for development, but you can't run your company's
DB server with it!)


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby Heid
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 9:08 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack


That sounds like the price for the academic version of MSDN Universal.

Provantage has the Universal version (non academic) for $2426.49
http://tinyurl.com/6wj8j
http://www.provantage.com/buy-7MCSN005-microsoft-developer-network-msdn-
univ
ersal-v7-0-subscription-534-02125-shopping.htm

Enterprise edition (non academic) $1913.79 http://tinyurl.com/5uuro
http://www.provantage.com/buy-7MCSN008-microsoft-developer-network-msdn-
ente
rprise-v7-0-subscription-shopping.htm

Enterprise edition (academic) $574.79
http://tinyurl.com/5qcct
http://www.provantage.com/buy-22062410-microsoft-developer-network-msdn-
acad
emic-editions-enterprise-v7-0-subscription-ae-shopping.htm

They do not (that I can see) have the Universal academic version.

Bobby

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 9:04 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack


John (and all)

  Not that much more.  A full Action Pack subscription is $399.  I found
a MSDN Universal subscription for $875 last year.  Your talking a
difference of only $400 bucks.

Jim Dettman
President,
Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
(315) 699-3443
jimdettman at earthlink.net

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 8:20 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack


And the cost of that is MUCH more.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 6:37 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack


The action pack isn't really for developers in that sense.  It's for
partners so that the entire office can work with the same versions of
the MS applications.  The developers tools are in the MSDN Universal
subscription.

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Waters [mailto:dwaters at usinternet.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 5:37 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack


John,

I didn't see Visual Studio for Applications on your list.  This would
allow setting up an installation package for Access Runtime.  I would
have guessed that this would have been included in a package for
developers.  Is it really missing?

Dan Waters

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 11:02 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack

The action pack is a deal MS offers developers or companies that develop
for or sell MS stuff.  For $300-400 they give you a ton of the latest
software and 10 licenses for all of it.  You are allowed to use it in
house, but not sell it or install it on any client machines.  It
includes:

Office Professional 2003
Office Publisher 2003
Office Frontpage 2003
Office Visio Professional 2003
Office Project Professional 2003
Business contact Manager for Outlook 2003 Office OneNote 2003 MapPoint
2004 Standard Edition Windows XP Professional Virtual PC 2004 Office
Infopath 2003 Business Solutions CRM Professional Windows Server 2003
Standard Edition Windows Server 2003 Web Edition Exchange Server 2003
Enterprise Edition Office Project Server 2003 Office Sharepoint Server
2003 Office Live Communications Server 2003 SQL Server 2000 Standard
Edition (damn!) SQL Server 2000 Service Pack 3a SQL Server Reporting
Services Mobile Information Server 2002 Swindows Sharepoint Services
Standard 2003 Windows Small Business Server 2003 Premium Edition

What is all this stuff you may ask.  No idea.

The package appears to also come with some kind of training CD for each
ofr these things.  No books, must all be on CD.  A neat little (BIG)
organizer size canvas folder to hold the disks.  Nothing to hold the
training materials (C'mon MS, another folder to hold that and the
sleeves hole punched would have made it so much more professional).

http://members.microsoft.com/partner/salesmarketing/partnermarket/action
pack
/actionpackus.aspx

Watch for wrap.

I had been looking at this package for awhile in order to bring my
office into the modern age (as defined by MS).

So there you have it.  A lot of stuff for a medium price (one year
license though!).  But it gives you 10 licenses.  I can put XP on all my
desktops, Server 2003 on both my new "server" machines, look at and
possibly use Office 2003 on my machines etc.  I have a home office with
2 "server class"
machines and 2 desktop machines, plus one modern laptop and an old POS
laptop that I am currently re-installing Win2K Pro on. Being able to get
a consistent platform on everything might be nice.

I had hoped to see 64bit OS and SQL Server included - they apparently do
exists, but not in here.  8-(

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lonnie
Johnson
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 2:48 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack


What's the main advantage to having the Action pack?

"John W. Colby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
I just got my MS Action pack, very nice. So much to know, so little
time.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


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From mikedorism at adelphia.net  Thu Sep  9 10:52:55 2004
From: mikedorism at adelphia.net (Mike & Doris Manning)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 11:52:55 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Shrinking fields in a report
In-Reply-To: <200409091424.i89EOAZx021968@ms-smtp-01.nyroc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <000001c49685$128e50f0$7109a845@hargrove.internal>

Is the section CanShrink property set to Yes?

Doris Manning
Database Administrator
Hargrove Inc.
www.hargroveinc.com


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of augusta
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 10:24 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Shrinking fields in a report


Yes I do have fields on the same line and they are all set to CanShrink.
There are no labels. . . 

Still does not shrink.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mike & Doris
Manning
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 7:30 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Shrinking fields in a report

If you have fields on the same line, then the line won't be able to shrink
unless all the fields can shrink.

Doris Manning
Database Administrator
Hargrove Inc.
www.hargroveinc.com


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of augusta
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 2:11 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Shrinking fields in a report


I have a report that contains basic info - Memname, business name, friends
name, address, and total sum contributed.

In the report I have on the left hand side name, business, friends name. The
middle (ideally on the same line) address, and then alittle over (once again
on the same line) is the Total Sum.

I have set all the fields to shrink, but when there is only a business and
friend name to the record, it does not shrink all the way. But when there is
a Memname and friend name, it does. This is a mystery. Any clues? IS there a
limit to the number of fields that can shrink?

Thanks 

Augusta


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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Thu Sep  9 11:09:40 2004
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 17:09:40 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] DLL question (was Broadcast a message)
Message-ID: <20040909160937.04CF725F1FD@smtp.nildram.co.uk>

Am trying to use Novell messaging for broadcasting messages, and have code
(thanks for pointer Gustav) to use API calls in NWNETAPI.DLL. But whenever I
run the code I get a "Path not found: NWNETAPI.DLL" error. Even if I put the
specific location of the DLL I still get it. Does this mean it uses other
DLL's, and if so how do I find out what else I need? Or what else could it
be?

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu Sep  9 11:19:52 2004
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 09:19:52 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] A2K of AXP
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312A3E@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Use the 2000 format to avoid the bloat caused by the pesky extra system
table in 2002 format.  The only reason to use 2002 is so you can create
an mde, which has to be in the format of the version that creates it.

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Griffiths, Richard [mailto:R.Griffiths at bury.gov.uk] 
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 7:30 AM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] A2K of AXP


Hi

 

I have been a very happy developer using A97, I am now about to user AXP
as a backend.  I have now to decide which format of BE to user A2000 of
A2002.

 

Can anyone please advise. BTW the FE will be VB.net (if this makes a
difference)

 

TIA

 

Richard

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu Sep  9 11:22:35 2004
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 09:22:35 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] AHOO!!!  Got my action pack
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312A3F@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Ah, but the developer tools aren't in Access, they're part of VSTO.  MS
seems to be pushing ever harder to make Access an end-user tool.

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 4:55 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack


I don't know.  It has Office, with Access I believe.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 4:40 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack


Hi John

> .. There is NOTHING development oriented in there.

Not even Access ...

/gustav

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu Sep  9 11:24:59 2004
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 09:24:59 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] AHOO!!!  Got my action pack
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312A40@infoserver01.infostat.local>

That's a stand alone developer product.  It is NOT part of the action
pack but it is in MSDN Universal.  Of course, you can also buy it off
the shelp. <g>

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Waters [mailto:dwaters at usinternet.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 8:30 AM
To: Database Advisors
Subject: FW: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack


John,

I didn't see Visual Studio for Applications on your list.  This would
allow setting up an installation package for Access Runtime.  I would
have guessed that this would have been included in a package for
developers.  Is it really missing?

Dan Waters

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 11:02 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack

The action pack is a deal MS offers developers or companies that develop
for or sell MS stuff.  For $300-400 they give you a ton of the latest
software and 10 licenses for all of it.  You are allowed to use it in
house, but not sell it or install it on any client machines.  It
includes:

Office Professional 2003
Office Publisher 2003
Office Frontpage 2003
Office Visio Professional 2003
Office Project Professional 2003
Business contact Manager for Outlook 2003
Office OneNote 2003
MapPoint 2004 Standard Edition
Windows XP Professional
Virtual PC 2004
Office Infopath 2003
Business Solutions CRM Professional
Windows Server 2003 Standard Edition
Windows Server 2003 Web Edition
Exchange Server 2003 Enterprise Edition
Office Project Server 2003
Office Sharepoint Server 2003
Office Live Communications Server 2003
SQL Server 2000 Standard Edition (damn!)
SQL Server 2000 Service Pack 3a
SQL Server Reporting Services
Mobile Information Server 2002
Swindows Sharepoint Services Standard 2003
Windows Small Business Server 2003 Premium Edition

What is all this stuff you may ask.  No idea.

The package appears to also come with some kind of training CD for each
ofr these things.  No books, must all be on CD.  A neat little (BIG)
organizer size canvas folder to hold the disks.  Nothing to hold the
training materials (C'mon MS, another folder to hold that and the
sleeves hole punched would have made it so much more professional).

http://members.microsoft.com/partner/salesmarketing/partnermarket/action
pack
/actionpackus.aspx

Watch for wrap.

I had been looking at this package for awhile in order to bring my
office into the modern age (as defined by MS).  

So there you have it.  A lot of stuff for a medium price (one year
license though!).  But it gives you 10 licenses.  I can put XP on all my
desktops, Server 2003 on both my new "server" machines, look at and
possibly use Office 2003 on my machines etc.  I have a home office with
2 "server class" machines and 2 desktop machines, plus one modern laptop
and an old POS laptop that I am currently re-installing Win2K Pro on.
Being able to get a consistent platform on everything might be nice.

I had hoped to see 64bit OS and SQL Server included - they apparently do
exists, but not in here.  8-(

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lonnie
Johnson
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 2:48 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack


What's the main advantage to having the Action pack?

"John W. Colby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
I just got my MS Action pack, very nice. So much to know, so little
time.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


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From DElam at jenkens.com  Thu Sep  9 11:24:38 2004
From: DElam at jenkens.com (Elam, Debbie)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 11:24:38 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] Shrinking fields in a report
Message-ID: <7B1961ED924D1A459E378C9B1BB22B4C02485418@natexch.jenkens.com>

I have seen strange shrink behavior when fields are touching other fields,
or even overlap the same (imaginary) parallel line.  Make sure the fields
are even across the top, or outside the space of fields with data.  Then
make sure a field with data is not touching it anywhere.  I had one rather
crowded report where this was a culprit.  The edges were supposed to just
barely touch, but they actually overlapped slightly.

Debbie

-----Original Message-----
From: augusta [mailto:awithing at twcny.rr.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 1:11 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Shrinking fields in a report


I have a report that contains basic info - Memname, business name, friends
name, address, and total sum contributed.

In the report I have on the left hand side name, business, friends name. The
middle (ideally on the same line) address, and then alittle over (once again
on the same line) is the Total Sum.

I have set all the fields to shrink, but when there is only a business and
friend name to the record, it does not shrink all the way. But when there is
a Memname and friend name, it does. This is a mystery. Any clues? IS there a
limit to the number of fields that can shrink?

Thanks 

Augusta


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From gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Sep  9 11:26:35 2004
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 18:26:35 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] DLL question (was Broadcast a message)
In-Reply-To: <20040909160937.04CF725F1FD@smtp.nildram.co.uk>
References: <20040909160937.04CF725F1FD@smtp.nildram.co.uk>
Message-ID: <18334451098.20040909182635@cactus.dk>

Hi Andy

What does your complete code look like?

/gustav


> Am trying to use Novell messaging for broadcasting messages, and have code
> (thanks for pointer Gustav) to use API calls in NWNETAPI.DLL. But whenever I
> run the code I get a "Path not found: NWNETAPI.DLL" error. Even if I put the
> specific location of the DLL I still get it. Does this mean it uses other
> DLL's, and if so how do I find out what else I need? Or what else could it
> be?



From awithing at twcny.rr.com  Thu Sep  9 12:23:40 2004
From: awithing at twcny.rr.com (augusta)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 13:23:40 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Shrinking fields in a report
In-Reply-To: <7B1961ED924D1A459E378C9B1BB22B4C02485418@natexch.jenkens.com>
Message-ID: <200409091723.i89HNht3012887@ms-smtp-04.nyroc.rr.com>

Thanks for your reply

But none of the fields are touching each other

This is how it is set up:

IDNo 	Name			WAddress	TotAmount
	FriendsName
	Business

Thats it! And nothing touches, all are set to CanShrink! FriendsName and
Business do not shrink up. But, where there is no FriendsName or Business,
the white space goes away.

I'm stumped. Am I asking it to do something it can't do?

Thanks Augusta

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Elam, Debbie
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 12:25 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Shrinking fields in a report

I have seen strange shrink behavior when fields are touching other fields,
or even overlap the same (imaginary) parallel line.  Make sure the fields
are even across the top, or outside the space of fields with data.  Then
make sure a field with data is not touching it anywhere.  I had one rather
crowded report where this was a culprit.  The edges were supposed to just
barely touch, but they actually overlapped slightly.

Debbie

-----Original Message-----
From: augusta [mailto:awithing at twcny.rr.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 1:11 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Shrinking fields in a report


I have a report that contains basic info - Memname, business name, friends
name, address, and total sum contributed.

In the report I have on the left hand side name, business, friends name. The
middle (ideally on the same line) address, and then alittle over (once again
on the same line) is the Total Sum.

I have set all the fields to shrink, but when there is only a business and
friend name to the record, it does not shrink all the way. But when there is
a Memname and friend name, it does. This is a mystery. Any clues? IS there a
limit to the number of fields that can shrink?

Thanks 

Augusta





From JHewson at karta.com  Thu Sep  9 12:35:06 2004
From: JHewson at karta.com (Jim Hewson)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 12:35:06 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Shrinking fields in a report
Message-ID: <9C382E065F54AE48BC3AA7925DCBB01C0103E2EE@karta-exc-int.Karta.com>


Is the WAddress and TotAmount enlarged to cover the entire space?
I have sized two fields like FriendsName and Business to .0007 height and placed them close together with the CanGrow set to true.  In this case, when there is a Business without a FriendsName, business would appear to be directly under Name.
HTH
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of augusta
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 12:24 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Shrinking fields in a report


Thanks for your reply

But none of the fields are touching each other

This is how it is set up:

IDNo 	Name			WAddress	TotAmount
	FriendsName
	Business

Thats it! And nothing touches, all are set to CanShrink! FriendsName and
Business do not shrink up. But, where there is no FriendsName or Business,
the white space goes away.

I'm stumped. Am I asking it to do something it can't do?

Thanks Augusta

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Elam, Debbie
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 12:25 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Shrinking fields in a report

I have seen strange shrink behavior when fields are touching other fields,
or even overlap the same (imaginary) parallel line.  Make sure the fields
are even across the top, or outside the space of fields with data.  Then
make sure a field with data is not touching it anywhere.  I had one rather
crowded report where this was a culprit.  The edges were supposed to just
barely touch, but they actually overlapped slightly.

Debbie

-----Original Message-----
From: augusta [mailto:awithing at twcny.rr.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 1:11 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Shrinking fields in a report


I have a report that contains basic info - Memname, business name, friends
name, address, and total sum contributed.

In the report I have on the left hand side name, business, friends name. The
middle (ideally on the same line) address, and then alittle over (once again
on the same line) is the Total Sum.

I have set all the fields to shrink, but when there is only a business and
friend name to the record, it does not shrink all the way. But when there is
a Memname and friend name, it does. This is a mystery. Any clues? IS there a
limit to the number of fields that can shrink?

Thanks 

Augusta



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From awithing at twcny.rr.com  Thu Sep  9 13:11:48 2004
From: awithing at twcny.rr.com (augusta)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 14:11:48 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Shrinking fields in a report
In-Reply-To: <9C382E065F54AE48BC3AA7925DCBB01C0103E2EE@karta-exc-int.Karta.com>
Message-ID: <200409091811.i89IBpt3026439@ms-smtp-04.nyroc.rr.com>



>Is the WAddress and TotAmount enlarged to cover the entire space?

No,I am confused. What entire space?


>I have sized two fields like FriendsName and Business to .0007 height and
placed them close together with the CanGrow set to true.  In this case, when
there is a Business without a FriendsName, business would appear to be
directly under Name.

All of the fields are the same height.  Friends Name and Business is the
same length as Name

augusta

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of augusta
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 12:24 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Shrinking fields in a report


Thanks for your reply

But none of the fields are touching each other

This is how it is set up:

IDNo 	Name			WAddress	TotAmount
	FriendsName
	Business

Thats it! And nothing touches, all are set to CanShrink! FriendsName and
Business do not shrink up. But, where there is no FriendsName or Business,
the white space goes away.

I'm stumped. Am I asking it to do something it can't do?

Thanks Augusta

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Elam, Debbie
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 12:25 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Shrinking fields in a report

I have seen strange shrink behavior when fields are touching other fields,
or even overlap the same (imaginary) parallel line.  Make sure the fields
are even across the top, or outside the space of fields with data.  Then
make sure a field with data is not touching it anywhere.  I had one rather
crowded report where this was a culprit.  The edges were supposed to just
barely touch, but they actually overlapped slightly.

Debbie

-----Original Message-----
From: augusta [mailto:awithing at twcny.rr.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 1:11 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Shrinking fields in a report


I have a report that contains basic info - Memname, business name, friends
name, address, and total sum contributed.

In the report I have on the left hand side name, business, friends name. The
middle (ideally on the same line) address, and then alittle over (once again
on the same line) is the Total Sum.

I have set all the fields to shrink, but when there is only a business and
friend name to the record, it does not shrink all the way. But when there is
a Memname and friend name, it does. This is a mystery. Any clues? IS there a
limit to the number of fields that can shrink?

Thanks 

Augusta



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From awithing at twcny.rr.com  Thu Sep  9 13:12:49 2004
From: awithing at twcny.rr.com (augusta)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 14:12:49 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Shrinking fields in a report
In-Reply-To: <000001c49685$128e50f0$7109a845@hargrove.internal>
Message-ID: <200409091812.i89ICpZx009580@ms-smtp-01.nyroc.rr.com>

>Is the section CanShrink property set to Yes?

Yes, all fields in the whole section and the section itself are set to
shrink.




Doris Manning
Database Administrator
Hargrove Inc.
www.hargroveinc.com


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of augusta
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 10:24 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Shrinking fields in a report


Yes I do have fields on the same line and they are all set to CanShrink.
There are no labels. . . 

Still does not shrink.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mike & Doris
Manning
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 7:30 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Shrinking fields in a report

If you have fields on the same line, then the line won't be able to shrink
unless all the fields can shrink.

Doris Manning
Database Administrator
Hargrove Inc.
www.hargroveinc.com


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of augusta
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 2:11 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Shrinking fields in a report


I have a report that contains basic info - Memname, business name, friends
name, address, and total sum contributed.

In the report I have on the left hand side name, business, friends name. The
middle (ideally on the same line) address, and then alittle over (once again
on the same line) is the Total Sum.

I have set all the fields to shrink, but when there is only a business and
friend name to the record, it does not shrink all the way. But when there is
a Memname and friend name, it does. This is a mystery. Any clues? IS there a
limit to the number of fields that can shrink?

Thanks 

Augusta____________




From bheid at appdevgrp.com  Thu Sep  9 13:41:24 2004
From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 14:41:24 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Shrinking fields in a report
In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA309870CD@ADGSERVER>
Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA305BB7FC@ADGSERVER>

Could it be that an empty string is being passed in one or more of the
fields in instead of a null?

Bobby

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of augusta
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 2:11 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Shrinking fields in a report


I have a report that contains basic info - Memname, business name, friends
name, address, and total sum contributed.

In the report I have on the left hand side name, business, friends name. The
middle (ideally on the same line) address, and then alittle over (once again
on the same line) is the Total Sum.

I have set all the fields to shrink, but when there is only a business and
friend name to the record, it does not shrink all the way. But when there is
a Memname and friend name, it does. This is a mystery. Any clues? IS there a
limit to the number of fields that can shrink?

Thanks 

Augusta____________




From JHewson at karta.com  Thu Sep  9 13:41:19 2004
From: JHewson at karta.com (Jim Hewson)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 13:41:19 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Shrinking fields in a report
Message-ID: <9C382E065F54AE48BC3AA7925DCBB01C0103E2F1@karta-exc-int.Karta.com>


What I meant was: are these two field's height equal to the height of the three fields combined?  For example, if Name, FriendsName and Business each have a height of .17, does WAddress and/or TotAmount's height equal .51 (.17 * 3)?  If it does and WAddress or TotAmount has anything in them, neither FriendsName or Business will shrink, even if Waddress has only one line in it.  
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of augusta
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 1:12 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Shrinking fields in a report




>Is the WAddress and TotAmount enlarged to cover the entire space?

No,I am confused. What entire space?


>I have sized two fields like FriendsName and Business to .0007 height and
placed them close together with the CanGrow set to true.  In this case, when
there is a Business without a FriendsName, business would appear to be
directly under Name.

All of the fields are the same height.  Friends Name and Business is the
same length as Name

augusta

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of augusta
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 12:24 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Shrinking fields in a report


Thanks for your reply

But none of the fields are touching each other

This is how it is set up:

IDNo 	Name			WAddress	TotAmount
	FriendsName
	Business

Thats it! And nothing touches, all are set to CanShrink! FriendsName and
Business do not shrink up. But, where there is no FriendsName or Business,
the white space goes away.

I'm stumped. Am I asking it to do something it can't do?

Thanks Augusta

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Elam, Debbie
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 12:25 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Shrinking fields in a report

I have seen strange shrink behavior when fields are touching other fields,
or even overlap the same (imaginary) parallel line.  Make sure the fields
are even across the top, or outside the space of fields with data.  Then
make sure a field with data is not touching it anywhere.  I had one rather
crowded report where this was a culprit.  The edges were supposed to just
barely touch, but they actually overlapped slightly.

Debbie

-----Original Message-----
From: augusta [mailto:awithing at twcny.rr.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 1:11 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Shrinking fields in a report


I have a report that contains basic info - Memname, business name, friends
name, address, and total sum contributed.

In the report I have on the left hand side name, business, friends name. The
middle (ideally on the same line) address, and then alittle over (once again
on the same line) is the Total Sum.

I have set all the fields to shrink, but when there is only a business and
friend name to the record, it does not shrink all the way. But when there is
a Memname and friend name, it does. This is a mystery. Any clues? IS there a
limit to the number of fields that can shrink?

Thanks 

Augusta



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From adtp at touchtelindia.net  Thu Sep  9 13:39:30 2004
From: adtp at touchtelindia.net (A.D.Tejpal)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 00:09:30 +0530
Subject: [AccessD] Shrinking fields in a report
References: <200409091811.i89IBpt3026439@ms-smtp-04.nyroc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <00f301c4969c$72174a10$b71865cb@winxp>

Augusta,

    If your problem persists despite trying out afresh on a brand new report, you can send a zipped extract of your db containing the said report as well as the source tables & queries. 

    The number of records may please be pruned down so as to demonstrate the problem while keeping down the size.

A.D.Tejpal
( adtp at touchtelindia.net )

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: augusta 
  To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' 
  Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 23:41
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] Shrinking fields in a report

  >Is the WAddress and TotAmount enlarged to cover the entire space?

  No,I am confused. What entire space?

  >I have sized two fields like FriendsName and Business to .0007 height and
  placed them close together with the CanGrow set to true.  In this case, when
  there is a Business without a FriendsName, business would appear to be
  directly under Name.

  All of the fields are the same height.  Friends Name and Business is the
  same length as Name

  augusta

  -----Original Message-----
  From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
  [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of augusta
  Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 12:24 PM
  To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] Shrinking fields in a report


  Thanks for your reply

  But none of the fields are touching each other

  This is how it is set up:

  IDNo Name WAddress TotAmount
  FriendsName
  Business

  Thats it! And nothing touches, all are set to CanShrink! FriendsName and
  Business do not shrink up. But, where there is no FriendsName or Business,
  the white space goes away.

  I'm stumped. Am I asking it to do something it can't do?

  Thanks Augusta

  -----Original Message-----
  From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
  [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Elam, Debbie
  Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 12:25 PM
  To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] Shrinking fields in a report

  I have seen strange shrink behavior when fields are touching other fields,
  or even overlap the same (imaginary) parallel line.  Make sure the fields
  are even across the top, or outside the space of fields with data.  Then
  make sure a field with data is not touching it anywhere.  I had one rather
  crowded report where this was a culprit.  The edges were supposed to just
  barely touch, but they actually overlapped slightly.

  Debbie

  -----Original Message-----
  From: augusta [mailto:awithing at twcny.rr.com] 
  Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 1:11 PM
  To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
  Subject: [AccessD] Shrinking fields in a report


  I have a report that contains basic info - Memname, business name, friends
  name, address, and total sum contributed.

  In the report I have on the left hand side name, business, friends name. The
  middle (ideally on the same line) address, and then alittle over (once again
  on the same line) is the Total Sum.

  I have set all the fields to shrink, but when there is only a business and
  friend name to the record, it does not shrink all the way. But when there is
  a Memname and friend name, it does. This is a mystery. Any clues? IS there a
  limit to the number of fields that can shrink?

  Thanks 

  Augusta



From serbach at new.rr.com  Thu Sep  9 14:19:47 2004
From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 14:19:47 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] AHOO!!!  Got my action pack
In-Reply-To: <004701c4967c$d38730a0$80b3fea9@ColbyM6805>
References: <1496.216.43.21.234.1094654535.squirrel@cetus.email.starband.net>
	<004701c4967c$d38730a0$80b3fea9@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <20040909141947.1901151160.serbach@new.rr.com>

John,

I'd considered buying the Action Pack, but Hindman turned me on to this:

http://members.microsoft.com/partner/competency/isvcomp/empower/default.aspx

It's a full Universal subscription for $375 a year for a maximum of two years. The biggest gotcha is that you must promise to develop a product for commercial distribution within 18 - 24 months. There's no renewal at the discounted price after the two years.

I went with it because the Universal subscription, of course, includes all the .NET stuff. There's also a goodly amount of beta stuff (VS 2005 Beta, .NET 2.0 Beta, FP 9.0 Beta) for what it's worth. The Enterprise editions are the norm in the Universal subscription. 5 licenses, though, not 10.

But 14 DVDs crammed with stuff! Holy smokes!

Regards,
 
Steve Erbach
Scientific Marketing
Neenah, WI
920-969-0504
 
"If you can't say anything nice, run for President." - Argus Hamilton




From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu Sep  9 14:44:30 2004
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 12:44:30 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] AHOO!!!  Got my action pack
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312A43@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Yes, empower is what we have in our office.

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Steven W. Erbach [mailto:serbach at new.rr.com] 
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 12:20 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack


John,

I'd considered buying the Action Pack, but Hindman turned me on to this:

http://members.microsoft.com/partner/competency/isvcomp/empower/default.
aspx

It's a full Universal subscription for $375 a year for a maximum of two
years. The biggest gotcha is that you must promise to develop a product
for commercial distribution within 18 - 24 months. There's no renewal at
the discounted price after the two years.

I went with it because the Universal subscription, of course, includes
all the .NET stuff. There's also a goodly amount of beta stuff (VS 2005
Beta, .NET 2.0 Beta, FP 9.0 Beta) for what it's worth. The Enterprise
editions are the norm in the Universal subscription. 5 licenses, though,
not 10.

But 14 DVDs crammed with stuff! Holy smokes!

Regards,
 
Steve Erbach
Scientific Marketing
Neenah, WI
920-969-0504
 
"If you can't say anything nice, run for President." - Argus Hamilton


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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Thu Sep  9 13:47:32 2004
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 11:47:32 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Changing the windows' tongue
References: <EAF3070ACB1AD81182280002A51EF731192204@s003.wolds.summitmedia.co.uk>
Message-ID: <4140A544.1000802@shaw.ca>

I think you are SOL But this is the way I think it works.
The Windows MultiLanguage Pack or it's new incarnation MUI  Multilingual 
User Interface
is only available to OEM and enterprise licenses. maybe it is in the 
Action Packs?
It also has to be installed over the US version initially. I guess this 
is to ease hotfixes.

http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=323282
http://www.microsoft.com/globaldev/DrIntl/faqs/MUIFaq.mspx#MUIques6

The Windows 2000 MultiLanguage Version
                                        builds on top of this support by 
adding
                                        the capability of switching the User
                                        Interface (menus, dialogs and help
                                        files) from one language to another.
                                        This feature helps make 
administration
                                        and support of multilingual 
computing
                                        environments much easier by:
                                        * allowing workstations to be 
shared by
                                          users who speak different 
languages
                                        * facilitating the roll-out of one
                                          system company-wide, with the
                                          addition of User Interface 
languages
                                          as they become available. This 
allows
                                          the one same service pack to 
update
                                          all machines.

                                        The Windows 2000 MultiLanguage 
Version
                                        allows each user of a workstation to
                                        select one of the installed User
                                        Interface languages. This 
selection is
                                        then stored in their user 
profile. When
                                        a user logs on, the appearance 
of the
                                        system and the help files associated
                                        with the system components 
changes to
                                        the selected language. (Note 
that this
                                        is not quite the same as running a
                                        localized version of Windows 
2000. The
                                        Windows 2000 MultiLanguage 
Version is
                                        based on the international English
                                        version of Windows 2000. 
Accordingly,
                                        some parts of the system -- most
                                        noticeably the registry -- remain in
                                        English.)


Paul Rodgers wrote:

>The price was right, but the language isn't. Is there a way to change the
>language to English in windows 2k, perhaps with an upgrade, please, Experts?
>Cheers paul
>
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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Thu Sep  9 15:19:10 2004
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 21:19:10 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] DLL question (was Broadcast a message)
In-Reply-To: <18334451098.20040909182635@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <002b01c496aa$442f3e10$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25>

It's exactly the code from the link you kindly gave me:

http://www.clippings.vivitec.com.au/pp_article_id_8.html


-- Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 


> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Gustav Brock
> Sent: 09 September 2004 17:27
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] DLL question (was Broadcast a message)
> 
> 
> Hi Andy
> 
> What does your complete code look like?
> 
> /gustav
> 
> 
> > Am trying to use Novell messaging for broadcasting 
> messages, and have 
> > code (thanks for pointer Gustav) to use API calls in 
> NWNETAPI.DLL. But 
> > whenever I run the code I get a "Path not found: 
> NWNETAPI.DLL" error. 
> > Even if I put the specific location of the DLL I still get it. Does 
> > this mean it uses other DLL's, and if so how do I find out 
> what else I 
> > need? Or what else could it be?
> 
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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Thu Sep  9 15:34:28 2004
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 13:34:28 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] AHOO!!!  Got my action pack
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312A43@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <01f201c496ac$675d5e10$6601a8c0@HAL9002>

Steve:

What happens after two years?  Can you install on another machine?  Are your
unused licenses still good?

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 12:44 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack


> Yes, empower is what we have in our office.
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Steven W. Erbach [mailto:serbach at new.rr.com]
> Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 12:20 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack
>
>
> John,
>
> I'd considered buying the Action Pack, but Hindman turned me on to this:
>
> http://members.microsoft.com/partner/competency/isvcomp/empower/default.
> aspx
>
> It's a full Universal subscription for $375 a year for a maximum of two
> years. The biggest gotcha is that you must promise to develop a product
> for commercial distribution within 18 - 24 months. There's no renewal at
> the discounted price after the two years.
>
> I went with it because the Universal subscription, of course, includes
> all the .NET stuff. There's also a goodly amount of beta stuff (VS 2005
> Beta, .NET 2.0 Beta, FP 9.0 Beta) for what it's worth. The Enterprise
> editions are the norm in the Universal subscription. 5 licenses, though,
> not 10.
>
> But 14 DVDs crammed with stuff! Holy smokes!
>
> Regards,
>
> Steve Erbach
> Scientific Marketing
> Neenah, WI
> 920-969-0504
>
> "If you can't say anything nice, run for President." - Argus Hamilton
>
>
> -- 
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From serbach at new.rr.com  Thu Sep  9 16:41:48 2004
From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 16:41:48 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] AHOO!!!  Got my action pack
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312A43@infoserver01.infostat.local>
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312A43@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <20040909164148.1949171552.serbach@new.rr.com>

Charlotte,

>> Yes, empower is what we have in our office. <<

So, what's the product or range of products you're developing?

Steve Erbach

http://www.swerbach.com




From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu Sep  9 16:54:39 2004
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 14:54:39 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] AHOO!!!  Got my action pack
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312A48@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Right now, we're working with Office XP Developer and SQL 2000 under our
original licenses, but we're also working with VisualStudio.Net,
WindowsServer2003, IIS, Visio, ASP.Net, etc.  We saved a bunch of money
on the Visual Studio and Visio Enterprise licenses alone.  Our existing
products are in A97 and AXP and SQL 2000 but we're working on .Net
versions and web-based versions for future release.

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Steven W. Erbach [mailto:serbach at new.rr.com] 
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 2:42 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack


Charlotte,

>> Yes, empower is what we have in our office. <<

So, what's the product or range of products you're developing?

Steve Erbach

http://www.swerbach.com


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From d.dick at uws.edu.au  Thu Sep  9 18:47:30 2004
From: d.dick at uws.edu.au (Darren DICK)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 09:47:30 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Same Name Validation
In-Reply-To: <70F3D727890C784291D8433E9C418F298FC5@server.bondsoftware.co.nz>
Message-ID: <000a01c496c7$5ec3b900$4a619a89@DDICK>

Excellent

I didn't think at all of combining the fields at table level

The 'overhead' should be minimal

Many thanks

Have a great day

Darren



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Bond
Sent: Thursday, 9 September 2004 6:39 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K: Same Name Validation


Darren,

I do this in one of my apps: 

Function DuplicateCount(fnIn, snIn) As Long
Dim k As Variant, criteria as String
  criteria = "FirstName = '" & fnIn & "' AND LastName = '" & snIn & "'"
  k = Nz(DCount("*", "tblWhatever", criteria))
  DuplicateCount = k
End Function

I cop the overhead of another index on the table.  It's a multi-field index,
it contains the FN field and the LN field, call it CombinedName, duplicates
allowed. I think this is supposed to make it faster.  If it doesn't it makes
me feel better anyway <g>

Stephen Bond
Otatara, New Zealand



> -----Original Message-----
> From: Darren DICK [mailto:d.dick at uws.edu.au]
> Sent: Thursday, 9 September 2004 5:14 p.m.
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K: Same Name Validation
> 
> 
> Hi Francisco
> Pretty Basic
> tblStudents
> LastName (TEXT)
> FirstName (TEXT)
> 
> That's all I want to test. Just if there is one John SMITH and
> a data entry person is entering a second one, I wanna alert them.
> 
> I was thinking of a combined dlookup with First and Last name and if 
> the count was greater than zero, alert the user
> 
> Many thanks
> 
> Have a great day
> 
> Darren
> 
> 
> 
>
> 
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From Developer at UltraDNT.com  Thu Sep  9 19:55:35 2004
From: Developer at UltraDNT.com (Steve Conklin (Developer@UltraDNT))
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 20:55:35 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Same Name Validation
In-Reply-To: <000a01c496c7$5ec3b900$4a619a89@DDICK>
Message-ID: <001801c496d0$e1db8300$0200a8c0@COA3>

What I have done here is, after an add new, in the lost focus of the
second text box (some apps are first then last, others last then first)
is to do a similar search for lastname=txbLastname AND firstname like
left(firstname,1) & "*"  ...

If I get any records, I pop a modal form with a list box of all the
matches ... User can click Cancel to continue the Add New or
double-click the listbox item  to go to a prior entry.

This doesn't prevent duplicate Richard/Dick or Anthony/Tony, but will
catch all the Steve/Steven/Stephen and James/Jim  prior entries.

Hth
Steve



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darren DICK
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 7:48 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K: Same Name Validation


Excellent

I didn't think at all of combining the fields at table level

The 'overhead' should be minimal

Many thanks

Have a great day

Darren



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Bond
Sent: Thursday, 9 September 2004 6:39 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K: Same Name Validation


Darren,

I do this in one of my apps: 

Function DuplicateCount(fnIn, snIn) As Long
Dim k As Variant, criteria as String
  criteria = "FirstName = '" & fnIn & "' AND LastName = '" & snIn & "'"
  k = Nz(DCount("*", "tblWhatever", criteria))
  DuplicateCount = k
End Function

I cop the overhead of another index on the table.  It's a multi-field
index, it contains the FN field and the LN field, call it CombinedName,
duplicates allowed. I think this is supposed to make it faster.  If it
doesn't it makes me feel better anyway <g>

Stephen Bond
Otatara, New Zealand



> -----Original Message-----
> From: Darren DICK [mailto:d.dick at uws.edu.au]
> Sent: Thursday, 9 September 2004 5:14 p.m.
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K: Same Name Validation
> 
> 
> Hi Francisco
> Pretty Basic
> tblStudents
> LastName (TEXT)
> FirstName (TEXT)
> 
> That's all I want to test. Just if there is one John SMITH and a data 
> entry person is entering a second one, I wanna alert them.
> 
> I was thinking of a combined dlookup with First and Last name and if
> the count was greater than zero, alert the user
> 
> Many thanks
> 
> Have a great day
> 
> Darren
> 
> 
> 
>
> 
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From Chris.Foote at uk.thalesgroup.com  Wed Sep  8 05:24:18 2004
From: Chris.Foote at uk.thalesgroup.com (Foote, Chris)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 11:24:18 +0100 
Subject: [AccessD] Broadcast A Message
Message-ID: <97CF276BD8C6D4119C4B00508BB18DE709E0C305@ntscxch1.int.rdel.co.uk>

Hi Andy!

Below is a code snippet that I use to use the NT4 NetSend function to send a
variable message (strNSMess) to a specific user (crfoote).

I'm sure you can tweak it to suit!

Oh. atCNames(1) & atCNames(0) are other functions that I use to retrieve the
User Name and Machine Name that the app is running on.

Best regards!
Chris Foote

---------(Code start)-----------
'------------------------------------------------------------
' Function NetSend
' Uses NT4 NetSend to send a message to
' crfoote showning current user name and machine
' Created by Chris Foote from scratch (with
' just a little help from "Help"!)
'------------------------------------------------------------
Public Sub fncNetSend()
On Error GoTo fncNetSend_Err

    Dim strNSMess As String
    Dim strNSCommand As String
        
    strNSMess = "Message sent from "
    
    strNSCommand = "net send crfoote " & "" & strNSMess & " " & atCNames(1)
& " at " & atCNames(0)
    
    Call Shell(strNSCommand, 0)

  
fncNetSend_Exit:
    Exit Sub

fncNetSend_Err:
    MsgBox Error$
    Resume fncNetSend_Exit

End Sub

-----------(Code end)-------------
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 6:39 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: [AccessD] Broadcast A Message
> 
> 
> Hi folks
> 
> Anyone got any info/code to broadcast a message to selected 
> machines/users.
> We've an NT4 server and a Novell server so could use either 
> technology.
> 
> -- Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 


From Chris.Foote at uk.thalesgroup.com  Thu Sep  9 02:09:55 2004
From: Chris.Foote at uk.thalesgroup.com (Foote, Chris)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 08:09:55 +0100 
Subject: FW: [AccessD] Broadcast A Message
Message-ID: <97CF276BD8C6D4119C4B00508BB18DE709E0C30D@ntscxch1.int.rdel.co.uk>



> -----Original Message-----
> From: Foote, Chris 
> Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 11:24 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Broadcast A Message
> 
> 
> Hi Andy!
> 
> Below is a code snippet that I use to use the NT4 NetSend 
> function to send a variable message (strNSMess) to a specific 
> user (crfoote).
> 
> I'm sure you can tweak it to suit!
> 
> Oh. atCNames(1) & atCNames(0) are other functions that I use 
> to retrieve the User Name and Machine Name that the app is running on.
> 
> Best regards!
> Chris Foote
> 
> ---------(Code start)-----------
> '------------------------------------------------------------
> ' Function NetSend
> ' Uses NT4 NetSend to send a message to
> ' crfoote showning current user name and machine
> ' Created by Chris Foote from scratch (with
> ' just a little help from "Help"!)
> '------------------------------------------------------------
> Public Sub fncNetSend()
> On Error GoTo fncNetSend_Err
> 
>     Dim strNSMess As String
>     Dim strNSCommand As String
>         
>     strNSMess = "Message sent from "
>     
>     strNSCommand = "net send crfoote " & "" & strNSMess & " " 
> & atCNames(1) & " at " & atCNames(0)
>     
>     Call Shell(strNSCommand, 0)
> 
>   
> fncNetSend_Exit:
>     Exit Sub
> 
> fncNetSend_Err:
>     MsgBox Error$
>     Resume fncNetSend_Exit
> 
> End Sub
> 
> -----------(Code end)-------------
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk]
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 6:39 PM
> > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > Subject: [AccessD] Broadcast A Message
> > 
> > 
> > Hi folks
> > 
> > Anyone got any info/code to broadcast a message to selected 
> > machines/users.
> > We've an NT4 server and a Novell server so could use either 
> > technology.
> > 
> > -- Andy Lacey
> > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 
> 


From Chris.Foote at uk.thalesgroup.com  Thu Sep  9 11:43:31 2004
From: Chris.Foote at uk.thalesgroup.com (Foote, Chris)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 17:43:31 +0100 
Subject: [AccessD] DLL question (was Broadcast a message)
Message-ID: <97CF276BD8C6D4119C4B00508BB18DE709E0C31C@ntscxch1.int.rdel.co.uk>


Andy!

Have you tried the Novell command "send"?

Chris F

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk]
> Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 5:10 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] DLL question (was Broadcast a message)
> 
> 
> Am trying to use Novell messaging for broadcasting messages, 
> and have code
> (thanks for pointer Gustav) to use API calls in NWNETAPI.DLL. 
> But whenever I
> run the code I get a "Path not found: NWNETAPI.DLL" error. 
> Even if I put the
> specific location of the DLL I still get it. Does this mean 
> it uses other
> DLL's, and if so how do I find out what else I need? Or what 
> else could it
> be?
> 
> --
> Andy Lacey
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From GregSmith at starband.net  Thu Sep  9 08:27:40 2004
From: GregSmith at starband.net (Greg Smith)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 08:27:40 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Test - Not getting posted - OT
In-Reply-To: <NEBBKADGELICHEJJCKGKMEJMKCAA.jimdettman@earthlink.net>
References: <000801c49507$a0be1ce0$80b3fea9@ColbyM6805>
	<NEBBKADGELICHEJJCKGKMEJMKCAA.jimdettman@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <1311.216.43.21.235.1094736460.squirrel@cetus.email.starband.net>

Test...OT...

Greg




From Paul at PStrauss.net  Thu Sep  9 20:21:24 2004
From: Paul at PStrauss.net (Paul Strauss)
Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 21:21:24 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Same Name Validation
In-Reply-To: <70F3D727890C784291D8433E9C418F298FC5@server.bondsoftware.c o.nz>
References: <70F3D727890C784291D8433E9C418F298FC5@server.bondsoftware.co.nz>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20040909205913.02196588@mail.pstrauss.net>

At 9/9/2004 04:39 AM, you wrote:
>Darren,
>
>I do this in one of my apps:
>
>Function DuplicateCount(fnIn, snIn) As Long
>Dim k As Variant, criteria as String
>   criteria = "FirstName = '" & fnIn & "' AND LastName = '" & snIn & "'"
>   k = Nz(DCount("*", "tblWhatever", criteria))
>   DuplicateCount = k
>End Function

Try this (air code):

Function DuplicateCount (strFirstName as string , strLastName as string) as 
Long

Dim strSQL as String
Dim rs as DAO.Recordset

strSQL ="Select FirstName From Names_tbl Where FirstName = ' " strFirstName 
& "' And LastName = '" strLastName & "'"
set rs = CurrentDB.OpenRecordset(strSQL)
rs.MoveLast   ' force RecordCount to reflect actual number of rows
DuplicateCount = rs.RecordCount

' clean up after yourself
rs.Close
set rs = nothing
strSQL = vbNullString

End Function

The Domain Aggregate functions are very slow; Select is much faster.

Some comments:

"k" should not be a variant unless you really need it to be. It is a slow 
datatype. Long would be much preferred. Besides, you don't need "k" at all. 
You can assign an expression to the function name:

      DuplicateCount = Nz(DCount("*", "tblWhatever", criteria))

would work just fine.  If you are worried about Nz returning a zero if the 
DCount returns null, then just do:
      DuplicateCount = Nz(DCount("*", "tblWhatever", criteria), 0)
                                                                                                                             ^
which forces a zero to be returned if you pass it a null no matter what the 
datatype the DCount returns. I never depend on defaults (too many details 
to remember) and so I always pass the 0 myself. It might also be a little 
faster if a null is passed in because the function knows is doesn't have to 
figure out what to pass back if you are explicit about it. (I used to be a 
real-time programmer, and I can't break the habit of counting the 
milliseconds. And nowadays, since memory is so plentiful, I will usually 
burn memory if it makes my code faster.)

Still, none of this addresses the problem of what to do if you do find 
duplicates. I think you have to show the user the current row, or rows, and 
somehow let them decide to enter another row with the same first and last 
name or select one of the existing ones for display or edit.



Regards,
Paul Strauss


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From GregSmith at starband.net  Wed Sep  8 20:11:01 2004
From: GregSmith at starband.net (Greg Smith)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 20:11:01 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Test send.  Ignore
In-Reply-To: <003601c49602$c8de9d70$80b3fea9@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <200409090104.i8914Uob028773@cassiopeia.email.starband.net>

Test send

Greg



From d.dick at uws.edu.au  Thu Sep  9 20:40:15 2004
From: d.dick at uws.edu.au (Darren DICK)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 11:40:15 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Same Name Validation
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20040909205913.02196588@mail.pstrauss.net>
Message-ID: <001a01c496d7$20f68b60$4a619a89@DDICK>

Paul
Outstanding !!
Many many thanks

Have a great day

Darren



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Paul Strauss
Sent: Friday, 10 September 2004 11:21 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K: Same Name Validation


At 9/9/2004 04:39 AM, you wrote:
>Darren,
>
>I do this in one of my apps:
>
>Function DuplicateCount(fnIn, snIn) As Long
>Dim k As Variant, criteria as String
>   criteria = "FirstName = '" & fnIn & "' AND LastName = '" & snIn & "'"
>   k = Nz(DCount("*", "tblWhatever", criteria))
>   DuplicateCount = k
>End Function

Try this (air code):

Function DuplicateCount (strFirstName as string , strLastName as string) as 
Long

Dim strSQL as String
Dim rs as DAO.Recordset

strSQL ="Select FirstName From Names_tbl Where FirstName = ' " strFirstName 
& "' And LastName = '" strLastName & "'"
set rs = CurrentDB.OpenRecordset(strSQL)
rs.MoveLast   ' force RecordCount to reflect actual number of rows
DuplicateCount = rs.RecordCount

' clean up after yourself
rs.Close
set rs = nothing
strSQL = vbNullString

End Function

The Domain Aggregate functions are very slow; Select is much faster.

Some comments:

"k" should not be a variant unless you really need it to be. It is a slow 
datatype. Long would be much preferred. Besides, you don't need "k" at all. 
You can assign an expression to the function name:

      DuplicateCount = Nz(DCount("*", "tblWhatever", criteria))

would work just fine.  If you are worried about Nz returning a zero if the 
DCount returns null, then just do:
      DuplicateCount = Nz(DCount("*", "tblWhatever", criteria), 0)
 
^ which forces a zero to be returned if you pass it a null no matter what
the 
datatype the DCount returns. I never depend on defaults (too many details 
to remember) and so I always pass the 0 myself. It might also be a little 
faster if a null is passed in because the function knows is doesn't have to 
figure out what to pass back if you are explicit about it. (I used to be a 
real-time programmer, and I can't break the habit of counting the 
milliseconds. And nowadays, since memory is so plentiful, I will usually 
burn memory if it makes my code faster.)

Still, none of this addresses the problem of what to do if you do find 
duplicates. I think you have to show the user the current row, or rows, and 
somehow let them decide to enter another row with the same first and last 
name or select one of the existing ones for display or edit.



Regards,
Paul Strauss


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From GregSmith at starband.net  Wed Sep  8 15:14:35 2004
From: GregSmith at starband.net (Greg Smith)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 15:14:35 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Mail not delivered...???
In-Reply-To: <000e01c49558$93bb8fe0$80b3fea9@ColbyM6805>
References: <20040907184735.64356.qmail@web20423.mail.yahoo.com>
	<000e01c49558$93bb8fe0$80b3fea9@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <1951.216.43.21.235.1094674475.squirrel@cetus.email.starband.net>

Hi everyone.

Apparently others are NOT having the same problem as I am with the email
to databaseadvisors.  I sent a reply this morning (about 0800 CDT)and now
received the following message (between the dash lines):

--------------------------------------------------
    **********************************************
    **      THIS IS A WARNING MESSAGE ONLY      **
    **  YOU DO NOT NEED TO RESEND YOUR MESSAGE  **
    **********************************************

The original message was received at Wed, 8 Sep 2004 10:42:22 -0400
from cetus.email.starband.net [148.78.247.27] (may be forged)

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
221 2.0.0 databaseadvisors.com closing connection
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>... Deferred
Warning: message still undelivered after 4 hours
Will keep trying until message is 2 days old
--------------------------------------------------

Anyone else having this 'issue'?

Of course, I'm sending this to the same address where the 'issue' arises
so this may NEVER go through...but what the heck...only inconveniencing a
few lowly electrons.

Greg Smith




From d.dick at uws.edu.au  Thu Sep  9 22:16:18 2004
From: d.dick at uws.edu.au (Darren DICK)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 13:16:18 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Mail not delivered...???
In-Reply-To: <1951.216.43.21.235.1094674475.squirrel@cetus.email.starband.net>
Message-ID: <001d01c496e4$89e7db80$4a619a89@DDICK>

Hi Greg
I see it on the list
Have only had those sorts of errors (though not the same as yours)
if put the AccessD address in the BCC field

Have a great day

Darren



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Greg Smith
Sent: Thursday, 9 September 2004 6:15 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Mail not delivered...???


Hi everyone.

Apparently others are NOT having the same problem as I am with the email to
databaseadvisors.  I sent a reply this morning (about 0800 CDT)and now
received the following message (between the dash lines):

--------------------------------------------------
    **********************************************
    **      THIS IS A WARNING MESSAGE ONLY      **
    **  YOU DO NOT NEED TO RESEND YOUR MESSAGE  **
    **********************************************

The original message was received at Wed, 8 Sep 2004 10:42:22 -0400 from
cetus.email.starband.net [148.78.247.27] (may be forged)

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
221 2.0.0 databaseadvisors.com closing connection
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>... Deferred
Warning: message still undelivered after 4 hours
Will keep trying until message is 2 days old
--------------------------------------------------

Anyone else having this 'issue'?

Of course, I'm sending this to the same address where the 'issue' arises so
this may NEVER go through...but what the heck...only inconveniencing a few
lowly electrons.

Greg Smith


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From kwilliam at ashlandnet.com  Thu Sep  9 09:19:22 2004
From: kwilliam at ashlandnet.com (Keith Williamson)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 10:19:22 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Synchronizing Subform to Main form based on a date
In-Reply-To: <988E2AC88CCB54459286C4077DB662F50129DE53@PDAWB03C.ad.sprint.com>
Message-ID: <000401c49678$01f6f420$64aba8c0@ashlandnet.com>

Test

Keith E. Williamson
Ashland Equipment, Inc
phone # (410) 273-1856
fax #     (410) 273-1859


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mcgillivray,
Donald [ITS]
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 11:25 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Synchronizing Subform to Main form based on a date


Thanks for the suggestion, Andy, but no success.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 12:15 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Synchronizing Subform to Main form based on a date


Just a thought Donald but if you placed a hidden calc'd control on the main
form with =YourDateCombo.Column(0) and put in that in your linking fields
would that help?

-- Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 

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From john at winhaven.net  Thu Sep  9 22:38:20 2004
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 22:38:20 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Mail not delivered...???
In-Reply-To: <001d01c496e4$89e7db80$4a619a89@DDICK>
Message-ID: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJIEFAHJAA.john@winhaven.net>

'tis true, should not put AccessD in BCC or CC fields. I've made the CC
mistake a couple of times.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Darren DICK
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 10:16 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Mail not delivered...???


Hi Greg
I see it on the list
Have only had those sorts of errors (though not the same as yours)
if put the AccessD address in the BCC field

Have a great day

Darren



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Greg Smith
Sent: Thursday, 9 September 2004 6:15 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Mail not delivered...???


Hi everyone.

Apparently others are NOT having the same problem as I am with the email to
databaseadvisors.  I sent a reply this morning (about 0800 CDT)and now
received the following message (between the dash lines):

--------------------------------------------------
    **********************************************
    **      THIS IS A WARNING MESSAGE ONLY      **
    **  YOU DO NOT NEED TO RESEND YOUR MESSAGE  **
    **********************************************

The original message was received at Wed, 8 Sep 2004 10:42:22 -0400 from
cetus.email.starband.net [148.78.247.27] (may be forged)

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
221 2.0.0 databaseadvisors.com closing connection
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>... Deferred
Warning: message still undelivered after 4 hours
Will keep trying until message is 2 days old
--------------------------------------------------

Anyone else having this 'issue'?

Of course, I'm sending this to the same address where the 'issue' arises so
this may NEVER go through...but what the heck...only inconveniencing a few
lowly electrons.

Greg Smith


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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Thu Sep  9 23:46:11 2004
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 21:46:11 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] AHOO!!!  Got my action pack
References: <1496.216.43.21.234.1094654535.squirrel@cetus.email.starband.net>
	<004701c4967c$d38730a0$80b3fea9@ColbyM6805>
	<20040909141947.1901151160.serbach@new.rr.com>
Message-ID: <061001c496f1$18bcd610$6601a8c0@HAL9002>

DVDs?  How do you install if your machine has no DVD?

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steven W. Erbach" <serbach at new.rr.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 12:19 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack


> John,
>
> I'd considered buying the Action Pack, but Hindman turned me on to this:
>
>
http://members.microsoft.com/partner/competency/isvcomp/empower/default.aspx
>
> It's a full Universal subscription for $375 a year for a maximum of two
years. The biggest gotcha is that you must promise to develop a product for
commercial distribution within 18 - 24 months. There's no renewal at the
discounted price after the two years.
>
> I went with it because the Universal subscription, of course, includes all
the .NET stuff. There's also a goodly amount of beta stuff (VS 2005 Beta,
.NET 2.0 Beta, FP 9.0 Beta) for what it's worth. The Enterprise editions are
the norm in the Universal subscription. 5 licenses, though, not 10.
>
> But 14 DVDs crammed with stuff! Holy smokes!
>
> Regards,
>
> Steve Erbach
> Scientific Marketing
> Neenah, WI
> 920-969-0504
>
> "If you can't say anything nice, run for President." - Argus Hamilton
>
>
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Sep 10 00:31:12 2004
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 01:31:12 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Synchronizing Subform to Main form based on a date
In-Reply-To: <988E2AC88CCB54459286C4077DB662F50129DBA5@PDAWB03C.ad.sprint.com>
Message-ID: <004e01c496f7$637cd370$80b3fea9@ColbyM6805>

Set up a text box and make it pull the value from that column of the combo.
Then use the text box as the parent link property.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mcgillivray,
Donald [ITS]
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 8:37 PM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] Synchronizing Subform to Main form based on a date


I'm pulling my hair out on this one.

I have a simple main form with two unbound combos, one for a location and
the other for a date.  The RowSource for the location combo is a table that
contains a record for each location - pulling the PK in column 1 and Name in
column 2 from that table.  Column 1 is bound and its width set to 0 so that
only the name displays.  The RowSource for the date combo is a summary query
pulling from a transaction table with column 1 equal to
Int(MyDateFromTrxTable) and column 2 equal to
Format(MyDateFromTrxTable,"mm/dd/yyyy").  The query is grouped on column 1
so that only one row for each date appears.  Column 1 is bound and width set
to 0 so that only the formatted dates appear.

I'm having trouble getting a simple subform ([Location], Int([Date]),
[ItemDetail]) to synchronize with the main form.  Using the location and
date values, the only way I've been able to get it to work is to expose the
first column of the date combo by setting its width to something other than
zero.  Of course, I don't want the date serial number to be displayed on the
form - just the formatted date.  

Note that I have restricted both the bound column of the combo and the
corresponding value in the subform to just the integer portion of the date.
Thus, I don't think this is a matter of trying to match a "date-only" value
against a "date-with-time" value.

I work with subforms like this all the time, though I don't think I've ever
attempted to use a date value as part of the link.  Is there some esoteric
quality of date values that I need to know about here?  Anybody have a clue
about why this won't work as advertised?

Thanks!

Don McGillivray
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From artful at rogers.com  Fri Sep 10 01:11:03 2004
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 02:11:03 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Syntax question about control references
In-Reply-To: <662716005.20040908093313@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <001001c496fc$f392b6a0$6501a8c0@rock>

Interesting. Gonna try this right now. Gonna have some interesting
calculations to do. Question, though. Given that the focus has been
placed in any given column, how can I determine which column the focus
is in? I don't want to do it by name, I want to do it by number. I.e.
the current date is 9/10/2004, which places me in column 9/30/2004,
which happens to be column 12 of the scrollable columns. So I can derive
which column to go into, I'm already there, but how do I determine which
column number it is? Is there a way to determine which column number I'm
in?

A.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 3:33 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Syntax question about control references


Hi Arthur

You could try playing with the GoToPage method:

  Forms("frmYourForm").GoToPage 1, x, 0

where x = ([count of columns to move] + Offset) * [Width of column in
twips]

If you succeed somehow please let us know.

/gustav



From Chris.Foote at uk.thalesgroup.com  Fri Sep 10 01:25:03 2004
From: Chris.Foote at uk.thalesgroup.com (Foote, Chris)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 07:25:03 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Mail not delivered...???
Message-ID: <97CF276BD8C6D4119C4B00508BB18DE709E0C31D@ntscxch1.int.rdel.co.uk>

Yup!

Several posts of mine have failed to make it and couple have been delayed
by up to 18-hours.

Have got similar warning messages as below
----------------------------------------------------
Your message has been delayed and is still awaiting delivery
to the following recipient(s):

accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Message delayed


Your message is delayed
Message for domain databaseadvisors.com delayed at mail.uk.thalesgroup.com.
Unable to deliver to domain for 20 hours.
Will continue trying for 76 hours.
No action is required on your part.
Last attempt failed because:
Did not receive SMTP greeting from host
---------------------------------------------

Rgards!
Chris F

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Greg Smith [mailto:GregSmith at starband.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 9:15 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Mail not delivered...???
> 
> 
> Hi everyone.
> 
> Apparently others are NOT having the same problem as I am 
> with the email
> to databaseadvisors.  I sent a reply this morning (about 0800 
> CDT)and now
> received the following message (between the dash lines):
-----------(Snipped)----------


From Chris.Foote at uk.thalesgroup.com  Fri Sep 10 01:30:37 2004
From: Chris.Foote at uk.thalesgroup.com (Foote, Chris)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 07:30:37 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Mail not delivered...???
Message-ID: <97CF276BD8C6D4119C4B00508BB18DE709E0C31E@ntscxch1.int.rdel.co.uk>

Good gracious!

This one got there and back in under four mins!

Looks like the problem's gone then <G>

Chris F

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Foote, Chris [mailto:Chris.Foote at uk.thalesgroup.com]
> Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 7:25 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Mail not delivered...???
> 
> 
> Yup!
> 
> Several posts of mine have failed to make it and couple have 
> been delayed
> by up to 18-hours.
----------(Snip)------


From gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Sep 10 01:57:13 2004
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 08:57:13 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Syntax question about control references
In-Reply-To: <001001c496fc$f392b6a0$6501a8c0@rock>
References: <001001c496fc$f392b6a0$6501a8c0@rock>
Message-ID: <1921993085.20040910085713@cactus.dk>

Hi Arthur

That would be

  ctl = Me.ActiveControl

/gustav


> Interesting. Gonna try this right now. Gonna have some interesting
> calculations to do. Question, though. Given that the focus has been
> placed in any given column, how can I determine which column the focus
> is in? I don't want to do it by name, I want to do it by number. I.e.
> the current date is 9/10/2004, which places me in column 9/30/2004,
> which happens to be column 12 of the scrollable columns. So I can derive
> which column to go into, I'm already there, but how do I determine which
> column number it is? Is there a way to determine which column number I'm
> in?

> A.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
> Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 3:33 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Syntax question about control references


> Hi Arthur

> You could try playing with the GoToPage method:

>   Forms("frmYourForm").GoToPage 1, x, 0

> where x = ([count of columns to move] + Offset) * [Width of column in
> twips]

> If you succeed somehow please let us know.

> /gustav



From R.Griffiths at bury.gov.uk  Fri Sep 10 02:56:59 2004
From: R.Griffiths at bury.gov.uk (Griffiths, Richard)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 08:56:59 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] AHOO!!!  Got my action pack
Message-ID: <F37DAC9A2964B144A2973EBCA8C54DBDABD3CF@BURY2K23.bury.gov.uk>

Steve

Hope you can assist.

Is this offer open to non-US persons?
You have to subscribe for 2 years (ie 2 * $375)?
I assume after the 2 years you are still able to use all the software
and what stops are the updates etc - can you confirm this?

Many thanks

Richard

-----Original Message-----
From: Steven W. Erbach [mailto:serbach at new.rr.com] 
Sent: 09 September 2004 20:20
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack

John,

I'd considered buying the Action Pack, but Hindman turned me on to this:

http://members.microsoft.com/partner/competency/isvcomp/empower/default.
aspx

It's a full Universal subscription for $375 a year for a maximum of two
years. The biggest gotcha is that you must promise to develop a product
for commercial distribution within 18 - 24 months. There's no renewal at
the discounted price after the two years.

I went with it because the Universal subscription, of course, includes
all the .NET stuff. There's also a goodly amount of beta stuff (VS 2005
Beta, .NET 2.0 Beta, FP 9.0 Beta) for what it's worth. The Enterprise
editions are the norm in the Universal subscription. 5 licenses, though,
not 10.

But 14 DVDs crammed with stuff! Holy smokes!

Regards,
 
Steve Erbach
Scientific Marketing
Neenah, WI
920-969-0504
 
"If you can't say anything nice, run for President." - Argus Hamilton


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From gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Sep 10 03:38:17 2004
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 10:38:17 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] DLL question (was Broadcast a message)
In-Reply-To: <002b01c496aa$442f3e10$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25>
References: <002b01c496aa$442f3e10$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25>
Message-ID: <728056775.20040910103817@cactus.dk>

Hi Andy

By second thought, this is code for the NetWare Bindery, not the NDS.
Are you sure this is what you want?

I looked for the dll on my machine and it is not present.
If you can locate it, have you tried registering it using regsvr32.exe?

/gustav


> It's exactly the code from the link you kindly gave me:

> http://www.clippings.vivitec.com.au/pp_article_id_8.html


> -- Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 


>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
>> Gustav Brock
>> Sent: 09 September 2004 17:27
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] DLL question (was Broadcast a message)
>> 
>> 
>> Hi Andy
>> 
>> What does your complete code look like?
>> 
>> /gustav
>> 
>> 
>> > Am trying to use Novell messaging for broadcasting 
>> messages, and have 
>> > code (thanks for pointer Gustav) to use API calls in 
>> NWNETAPI.DLL. But 
>> > whenever I run the code I get a "Path not found: 
>> NWNETAPI.DLL" error. 
>> > Even if I put the specific location of the DLL I still get it. Does 
>> > this mean it uses other DLL's, and if so how do I find out 
>> what else I 
>> > need? Or what else could it be?
>> 
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>> 
>> 



From carbonnb at sympatico.ca  Fri Sep 10 04:32:18 2004
From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 05:32:18 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Mail not delivered...???
In-Reply-To: <1951.216.43.21.235.1094674475.squirrel@cetus.email.starband.net>
References: <000e01c49558$93bb8fe0$80b3fea9@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <41413C62.25999.1C4D75@localhost>

On 8 Sep 2004 at 15:14, Greg Smith wrote:

> Apparently others are NOT having the same problem as I am with the
> email to databaseadvisors.  I sent a reply this morning (about 0800
> CDT)and now received the following message (between the dash lines):

Here's what that means: (and I sent you a note offline too)

Your mail server and databaseadvisors.com server are having problems 
talking to each other.

It's just a part of life on the 'net unfortunately :(

I'll look at the dba server and see if I can see anything there.

In the future, this kind of stuff should really be brought to my 
attention off-line first.

Please and thanks.

-- 
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca
If you can't be a good example, then you'll just have to be a 
horrible warning.


From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Fri Sep 10 05:17:51 2004
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 11:17:51 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] DLL question (was Broadcast a message)
Message-ID: <20040910101749.0A192250026@smtp.nildram.co.uk>

To be honest Gustav I don't know if it's what I want or not. I just want to
send a message across the network, which I thought would be trivial but is
proving otherwise. I found the DLL on the network and copied it to the
workstation, but it's not working, and attempts to register it fail too. I'm
stumped by how difficult this is proving.

--
Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk



--------- Original Message --------
From: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] DLL question (was Broadcast a message)
Date: 10/09/04 08:41

>
> Hi Andy
>
> By second thought, this is code for the NetWare Bindery, not the NDS.
> Are you sure this is what you want?
>
> I looked for the dll on my machine and it is not present.
> If you can locate it, have you tried registering it using regsvr32.exe?
>
> /gustav
>
>
> &gt; It's exactly the code from the link you kindly gave me:
>
> &gt; http://www.clippings.vivitec.com.au/pp_article_id_8.html
>
>
> &gt; -- Andy Lacey
> &gt; http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>
>
> &gt;&gt; -----Original Message-----
> &gt;&gt; From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> &gt;&gt; [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> &gt;&gt; Gustav Brock
> &gt;&gt; Sent: 09 September 2004 17:27
> &gt;&gt; To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> &gt;&gt; Subject: Re: [AccessD] DLL question (was Broadcast a message)
> &gt;&gt;
> &gt;&gt;
> &gt;&gt; Hi Andy
> &gt;&gt;
> &gt;&gt; What does your complete code look like?
> &gt;&gt;
> &gt;&gt; /gustav
> &gt;&gt;
> &gt;&gt;
> &gt;&gt; &gt; Am trying to use Novell messaging for broadcasting
> &gt;&gt; messages, and have
> &gt;&gt; &gt; code (thanks for pointer Gustav) to use API calls in
> &gt;&gt; NWNETAPI.DLL. But
> &gt;&gt; &gt; whenever I run the code I get a &quot;Path not found:
> &gt;&gt; NWNETAPI.DLL&quot; error.
> &gt;&gt; &gt; Even if I put the specific location of the DLL I still get
it. Does
> &gt;&gt; &gt; this mean it uses other DLL's, and if so how do I find out
> &gt;&gt; what else I
> &gt;&gt; &gt; need? Or what else could it be?
> &gt;&gt;
> &gt;&gt; --
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> &gt;&gt; http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> &gt;&gt;
> &gt;&gt;
>
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Sep 10 06:08:09 2004
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 13:08:09 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] DLL question (was Broadcast a message)
In-Reply-To: <20040910101749.0A192250026@smtp.nildram.co.uk>
References: <20040910101749.0A192250026@smtp.nildram.co.uk>
Message-ID: <6817048614.20040910130809@cactus.dk>

Hi Andy

> To be honest Gustav I don't know if it's what I want or not. I just want to
> send a message across the network, which I thought would be trivial but is
> proving otherwise. I found the DLL on the network and copied it to the
> workstation, but it's not working, and attempts to register it fail too. I'm
> stumped by how difficult this is proving.

Don't be. You are working with a solution which reads the bindery
which was left with NetWare 3.12 and replaced with NDS now eDirectoy.
You can still maintain a bindery but most network admins don't.

Here's another link (look for BrdCast and Broadcast):

http://developer.novell.com/ndk/doc/samplecode/activex_ndap_sample/index.htm

In any case you'll need two ocx'es, nwsrva.ocx and nwdir.ocx, which
are free to download.

/gustav


>> By second thought, this is code for the NetWare Bindery, not the NDS.
>> Are you sure this is what you want?
>>
>> I looked for the dll on my machine and it is not present.
>> If you can locate it, have you tried registering it using regsvr32.exe?
>>
>> /gustav
>>
>>
>> &gt; It's exactly the code from the link you kindly gave me:
>>
>> &gt; http://www.clippings.vivitec.com.au/pp_article_id_8.html
>>
>>
>> &gt; -- Andy Lacey
>> &gt; http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>>
>>
>> &gt;&gt; -----Original Message-----
>> &gt;&gt; From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> &gt;&gt; [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
>> &gt;&gt; Gustav Brock
>> &gt;&gt; Sent: 09 September 2004 17:27
>> &gt;&gt; To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> &gt;&gt; Subject: Re: [AccessD] DLL question (was Broadcast a message)
>> &gt;&gt;
>> &gt;&gt;
>> &gt;&gt; Hi Andy
>> &gt;&gt;
>> &gt;&gt; What does your complete code look like?
>> &gt;&gt;
>> &gt;&gt; /gustav
>> &gt;&gt;
>> &gt;&gt;
>> &gt;&gt; &gt; Am trying to use Novell messaging for broadcasting
>> &gt;&gt; messages, and have
>> &gt;&gt; &gt; code (thanks for pointer Gustav) to use API calls in
>> &gt;&gt; NWNETAPI.DLL. But
>> &gt;&gt; &gt; whenever I run the code I get a &quot;Path not found:
>> &gt;&gt; NWNETAPI.DLL&quot; error.
>> &gt;&gt; &gt; Even if I put the specific location of the DLL I still get
> it. Does
>> &gt;&gt; &gt; this mean it uses other DLL's, and if so how do I find out
>> &gt;&gt; what else I
>> &gt;&gt; &gt; need? Or what else could it be?



From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com  Fri Sep 10 06:40:21 2004
From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark S. (Newport News))
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 07:40:21 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] AHOO!!!  Got my action pack
Message-ID: <BA209D7D3A20BE499AB726E4ED7A6DA1FCB70F@nprdex02.nns.com>

I read this review for the MSDN Universal 7.0 Subscription on
PriceGrabber.com.  After reading the review, do any of you have any comments
regarding the third option listed below.  This seems to be the option that
is offered at the site Brett suggested below.  To reiterate just one of the
concerns the reviewer mentioned..."Is there a downside..."?

Mark


*****************************************
Reviewed by: TallPaulInJax, from FL Date reviewed: 16-Apr-04 
Summary: 
I drove down the rating so you would be more inclined to read this review
because it contains very important info. I've been TAKEN for $2000 worth of
Office software before and I don't want the same to happen to you. 

Caveat emptor (aka, beware the buyer): Ok, here is what I think is going on.
There are different versions of this software out. (1) Part# 534-02125: this
SHOULD BE (doesn't mean it is from some vendors) the retail version which is
a 1 YEAR subscription in YOUR name registed by YOU with Microsoft including
a 25 digit activation code (newer longer length code). Should be around
$2,400. Why anyone would buy this license is beyond me. Keep reading. (2)
Part# 534-02031: this is an Open License Program (OLP) version which is a 2
year subscription in YOUR name BUT... you have to qualify for open license,
usually a 5 license purchase. The simplest way to do this is to buy 4 cheap
OLP licenses (ie, four Encarta licenses at $25 apiece) and one $$$$ license
(ie, one MSDN Universal OLP License). Perfectly legal and even recommended
by Microsoft. Should be around $2800 to $2900. (3) There is an OEM version.
Don't know the part# but I have seen Microsoft use the same part# for Retail
and OEM. Unbelievable. I believe that's what most of these cheaper licenses
are. The weird thing about some of these vendors is that the software will
be activated/registered under THEIR name. Weirder yet, talking with
Microsoft about this still has me baffled because Microsoft SAID (I don't
believe them) they will activate this license. The only catch on OEM
purchases is you have to buy a piece of hardware along with the software.
The grey area? In past Microsoft OEM licensing that hardware can be as low
priced as a $4 CD audio cable! Some vendors say they won't play this game
with OEM licensing because Microsoft could come back and revoke your license
unless you're hardware purchase is substantial. What is substantial? A
complete PC? A hard drive? A room full of equipment? Is it worth the risk?
Is there a problem having the software activated by the vendor as long as
you get the media and updates? Is there a downside to buying this license if
you buy "substantial" hardware? I don't know the answer to those questions.
Perhaps someone could post a response to this message. (4) There are
Academic licenses 1 Year licenses which retail around $979. That's all I
know about them. (5) Last but not least (and probably not the last, just the
last I know about) there are NFR's (Not For Resale) versions given by
Microsoft and distributors to let resellers et cetera try out software but
they AREN'T SUPPOSED TO RESELL IT. Hey, I hope this helps you figure things
out. If it does, send a prayer my way... I could use it. But if it doesn't,
join the rest of the club! I spent 3 hours with Microsoft's lead licensing
guru one day two years ago and hung up 10X more confused than when I
called... 

Paul
*****************************************


-----Original Message-----
From: Brett Barabash [mailto:BBarabash at tappeconstruction.com] 
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 11:03 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack


Jim,
I talked to your contact in April before purchasing our subscriptions,
and was quoted a price of $1675 each.  He pointed out the Microsoft has
changed their distribution strategy and thus has gained more control
over prices being charged by independent vendors :-(

I shopped around and ended up purchasing from these guys:
http://www.softwaremore-usa.com/msun70.html

FULL MSDN Universal 7.0 subscription for $1050.00.  Not an academic
edition, and the disks shipped immediately from MS headquarters.  I
would highly recommend this vendor.

(Back when I purchased mine, MS also had a $300.00 rebate for purchasing
this software on DVD.  Unfortunately it is no more...)

Bobby,
Don't waste your time on an Academic subscription.  The licensing
agreements normally prohibit using it to develop software for clients.

All,
Even though the MSDN subscription (and updates) lasts for only a year,
the software has a perpetual license:
http://msdn.microsoft.com/subscriptions/faq/default.aspx#licensing

However, there are certain limitations to the use of the software (e.g.
you can use SQL Server for development, but you can't run your company's
DB server with it!)

<snip>


From JRojas at tnco-inc.com  Fri Sep 10 07:12:40 2004
From: JRojas at tnco-inc.com (Joe Rojas)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 08:12:40 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Used to work - now it errors SOLVED
Message-ID: <0CC84C9461AE6445AD5A602001C41C4B059E90@mercury.tnco-inc.com>

If you are referencing both DAO and ADO in the same database, couldn't you
just add ADODB or DAO to your dimensions?
Dim dbs as DAO.Database

JR

-----Original Message-----
From: Darren DICK [mailto:d.dick at uws.edu.au]
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 2:30 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K: Used to work - now it errors SOLVED

Moved DAO above ADO in the ref list now it works <sigh>
Now time to go and see what ADO stuff fails :-((

Thanks y'all

DD




-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darren DICK
Sent: Wednesday, 8 September 2004 3:57 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Used to work - now it errors


Hello all
This used to work now I get Run Time Error 13 - Type Mismatch Then the
debugger yellows out the "Set rst" line

Any suggestions
Dao 3.6 is referenced


Dim dbs As Database
rst As Recordset
iBookingID As Integer

    Set dbs = CurrentDb
    iBookingID = [Forms]![frmBookings].[BookingID]
   
===> this line fails    Set rst = dbs.OpenRecordset("SELECT
[People].[PersonID] FROM People INNER JOIN BookingPeople ON
BookingPeople.PersonID = People.PersonID WHERE not isnull([EmailAddress])
and BookingID = " & iBookingID & ";", dbOpenDynaset)

Many thanks in advance

Have a great day

Darren


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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Fri Sep 10 07:25:21 2004
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 13:25:21 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] DLL question (was Broadcast a message)
Message-ID: <20040910122518.9AE20252466@smtp.nildram.co.uk>

Thanks again Gustav. You're a star. I'll download this and give it a try
when I have a moment to breath.
--
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http://www.minstersystems.co.uk



--------- Original Message --------
From: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] DLL question (was Broadcast a message)
Date: 10/09/04 11:12

>
> Hi Andy
>
> &gt; To be honest Gustav I don't know if it's what I want or not. I just
want to
> &gt; send a message across the network, which I thought would be trivial
but is
> &gt; proving otherwise. I found the DLL on the network and copied it to
the
> &gt; workstation, but it's not working, and attempts to register it fail
too. I'm
> &gt; stumped by how difficult this is proving.
>
> Don't be. You are working with a solution which reads the bindery
> which was left with NetWare 3.12 and replaced with NDS now eDirectoy.
> You can still maintain a bindery but most network admins don't.
>
> Here's another link (look for BrdCast and Broadcast):
>
>
http://developer.novell.com/ndk/doc/samplecode/activex_ndap_sample/index.htm
>
> In any case you'll need two ocx'es, nwsrva.ocx and nwdir.ocx, which
> are free to download.
>
> /gustav
>
>
> &gt;&gt; By second thought, this is code for the NetWare Bindery, not the
NDS.
> &gt;&gt; Are you sure this is what you want?
> &gt;&gt;
> &gt;&gt; I looked for the dll on my machine and it is not present.
> &gt;&gt; If you can locate it, have you tried registering it using
regsvr32.exe?
> &gt;&gt;
> &gt;&gt; /gustav
> &gt;&gt;
> &gt;&gt;
> &gt;&gt; &amp;gt; It's exactly the code from the link you kindly gave me:
> &gt;&gt;
> &gt;&gt; &amp;gt; http://www.clippings.vivitec.com.au/pp_article_id_8.html
> &gt;&gt;
> &gt;&gt;
> &gt;&gt; &amp;gt; -- Andy Lacey
> &gt;&gt; &amp;gt; http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> &gt;&gt;
> &gt;&gt;
> &gt;&gt; &amp;gt;&amp;gt; -----Original Message-----
> &gt;&gt; &amp;gt;&amp;gt; From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> &gt;&gt; &amp;gt;&amp;gt; [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On
Behalf Of
> &gt;&gt; &amp;gt;&amp;gt; Gustav Brock
> &gt;&gt; &amp;gt;&amp;gt; Sent: 09 September 2004 17:27
> &gt;&gt; &amp;gt;&amp;gt; To: Access Developers discussion and problem
solving
> &gt;&gt; &amp;gt;&amp;gt; Subject: Re: [AccessD] DLL question (was
Broadcast a message)
> &gt;&gt; &amp;gt;&amp;gt;
> &gt;&gt; &amp;gt;&amp;gt;
> &gt;&gt; &amp;gt;&amp;gt; Hi Andy
> &gt;&gt; &amp;gt;&amp;gt;
> &gt;&gt; &amp;gt;&amp;gt; What does your complete code look like?
> &gt;&gt; &amp;gt;&amp;gt;
> &gt;&gt; &amp;gt;&amp;gt; /gustav
> &gt;&gt; &amp;gt;&amp;gt;
> &gt;&gt; &amp;gt;&amp;gt;
> &gt;&gt; &amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;gt; Am trying to use Novell messaging for
broadcasting
> &gt;&gt; &amp;gt;&amp;gt; messages, and have
> &gt;&gt; &amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;gt; code (thanks for pointer Gustav) to use
API calls in
> &gt;&gt; &amp;gt;&amp;gt; NWNETAPI.DLL. But
> &gt;&gt; &amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;gt; whenever I run the code I get a
&amp;quot;Path not found:
> &gt;&gt; &amp;gt;&amp;gt; NWNETAPI.DLL&amp;quot; error.
> &gt;&gt; &amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;gt; Even if I put the specific location of
the DLL I still get
> &gt; it. Does
> &gt;&gt; &amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;gt; this mean it uses other DLL's, and if
so how do I find out
> &gt;&gt; &amp;gt;&amp;gt; what else I
> &gt;&gt; &amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;gt; need? Or what else could it be?
>
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From bheid at appdevgrp.com  Fri Sep 10 07:42:56 2004
From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 08:42:56 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] AHOO!!!  Got my action pack
In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA3098720A@ADGSERVER>
Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA305BB809@ADGSERVER>

Ahhh, thanks Jim.

Bobby

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 10:31 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack


Bobby,

<<That sounds like the price for the academic version of MSDN Universal.>>

  No, it's the price for the full version.  The prices published by
Microsoft are suggested list prices.  Microsoft Partners however can sell
them for whatever they like.

  I too was skeptical at first, but I've purchased three years running
through this reseller and have not had a single problem.  First time around
I even called Microsoft to confirm that I had a valid subscription.

  BTW, I just double checked and the price has gone up.  $875 was the first
year, $1055 second, and $1175 this past year.  So  there is a bigger
difference then $400.  I think though that I got the $300 off rebate all 3
years for ordering on DVD.  I'd have to go back and check on that.

Jim Dettman
President,
Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
(315) 699-3443
jimdettman at earthlink.net



From bheid at appdevgrp.com  Fri Sep 10 07:46:04 2004
From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 08:46:04 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Shrinking fields in a report
In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA309871FC@ADGSERVER>
Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA305BB80A@ADGSERVER>

Wow, this took over 12 hours to post!  

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby Heid
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 10:58 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Shrinking fields in a report


All of the fields have to be empty for them all to shrink.

Bobby



From ssharkins at bellsouth.net  Fri Sep 10 07:57:15 2004
From: ssharkins at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 08:57:15 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Fw: Tab limits for tab controls
Message-ID: <004401c49735$b533aca0$9865fea9@BILLONE>

Does anyone know the official limit for the number of tabs on a tab control? I can't get passed 877, which seems a strange number for that limit. I'm using 2003 -- what about earlier versions? I've checked Help, not finding anything on the tab limits, but still looking. 

Thanks!

Susan H. 

From JHewson at karta.com  Fri Sep 10 08:12:11 2004
From: JHewson at karta.com (Jim Hewson)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 08:12:11 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Fw: Tab limits for tab controls
Message-ID: <9C382E065F54AE48BC3AA7925DCBB01C0103E2F7@karta-exc-int.Karta.com>

Susan,
I've got to ask.
Why would you need that many?
I've used six and thought that was way over the top for most users.
Just curious.
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 7:57 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Fw: Tab limits for tab controls


Does anyone know the official limit for the number of tabs on a tab control? I can't get passed 877, which seems a strange number for that limit. I'm using 2003 -- what about earlier versions? I've checked Help, not finding anything on the tab limits, but still looking. 

Thanks!

Susan H. 
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Sep 10 08:14:44 2004
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 15:14:44 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Fw: Tab limits for tab controls
In-Reply-To: <004401c49735$b533aca0$9865fea9@BILLONE>
References: <004401c49735$b533aca0$9865fea9@BILLONE>
Message-ID: <14524644046.20040910151444@cactus.dk>

Hi Susan

What is wrong with 877? In octal it is 1555 - also a neat number.

But sure it's a problem. Phone is keeping ringing here with requests
for 1000+ tabs controls! Should I move business to selling beer?

/gustav


> Does anyone know the official limit for the number of tabs on a tab control? I can't get passed 877, which seems a strange number for that limit. I'm using 2003 -- what about earlier versions? I've
> checked Help, not finding anything on the tab limits, but still looking. 



From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com  Fri Sep 10 08:19:14 2004
From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 09:19:14 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Fw: Tab limits for tab controls
Message-ID: <1D7828CDB8350747AFE9D69E0E90DA1F02D088E8@xlivmbx21.aig.com>

I don't have a clue, nor can my dim mind imagine why you would want suck a
large number of tabs or how you would fit them on the screen! :-)

Lambert

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [SMTP:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
> Sent:	Friday, September 10, 2004 8:57 AM
> To:	accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject:	[AccessD] Fw: Tab limits for tab controls
> 
> Does anyone know the official limit for the number of tabs on a tab
> control? I can't get passed 877, which seems a strange number for that
> limit. I'm using 2003 -- what about earlier versions? I've checked Help,
> not finding anything on the tab limits, but still looking. 
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Susan H. 
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From john at winhaven.net  Fri Sep 10 08:24:06 2004
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 08:24:06 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] AHOO!!!  Got my action pack
In-Reply-To: <061001c496f1$18bcd610$6601a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIAECMFOAA.john@winhaven.net>

Rocky,
Have to have at least one DVD reader. They do include CD images so you can burn CDs from the DVDs but you would need one DVD reader and a CD writer. The cost of DVD readers is very low these days though. The management of hundreds of CDs versus dozens of DVDs is the catch. For a while, when I received MSDN on CDs I thought I'd have to hire a part time librarian to keep the MSDN CDs in order :o)

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
Beach Access Software
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 11:46 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack


DVDs?  How do you install if your machine has no DVD?

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steven W. Erbach" <serbach at new.rr.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 12:19 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack


> John,
>
> I'd considered buying the Action Pack, but Hindman turned me on to this:
>
>
http://members.microsoft.com/partner/competency/isvcomp/empower/default.aspx
>
> It's a full Universal subscription for $375 a year for a maximum of two
years. The biggest gotcha is that you must promise to develop a product for
commercial distribution within 18 - 24 months. There's no renewal at the
discounted price after the two years.
>
> I went with it because the Universal subscription, of course, includes all
the .NET stuff. There's also a goodly amount of beta stuff (VS 2005 Beta,
.NET 2.0 Beta, FP 9.0 Beta) for what it's worth. The Enterprise editions are
the norm in the Universal subscription. 5 licenses, though, not 10.
>
> But 14 DVDs crammed with stuff! Holy smokes!
>
> Regards,
>
> Steve Erbach
> Scientific Marketing
> Neenah, WI
> 920-969-0504
>
> "If you can't say anything nice, run for President." - Argus Hamilton
>
>
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From john at winhaven.net  Fri Sep 10 08:27:48 2004
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 08:27:48 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] AHOO!!!  Got my action pack
In-Reply-To: <BA209D7D3A20BE499AB726E4ED7A6DA1FCB70F@nprdex02.nns.com>
Message-ID: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIOECMFOAA.john@winhaven.net>

Mark,

OEM is a somewhat gray area. I buy OEM products for use with customers where
I upgrade machines. For instance if I upgrade a PC's RAM, CPU, etc, so that
it can run XP I can also install OEM XP instead of the XP upgrade.
Substantial reduction in price on XP. I haven't noticed this aspect of MSDN
before. This does seem a bit odd and I'm not sure what to make of it. I have
always  been under the impression that MSDN products can only be installed
on company equipment for testing, evaluation, development, etc. Basically to
support my company's efforts in understanding,  utilizing and
troubleshooting MS products. Maybe I've read more into it than I should
have?

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Mitsules, Mark
S. (Newport News)
Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 6:40 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack


I read this review for the MSDN Universal 7.0 Subscription on
PriceGrabber.com.  After reading the review, do any of you have any comments
regarding the third option listed below.  This seems to be the option that
is offered at the site Brett suggested below.  To reiterate just one of the
concerns the reviewer mentioned..."Is there a downside..."?

Mark


*****************************************
Reviewed by: TallPaulInJax, from FL Date reviewed: 16-Apr-04
Summary:
I drove down the rating so you would be more inclined to read this review
because it contains very important info. I've been TAKEN for $2000 worth of
Office software before and I don't want the same to happen to you.

Caveat emptor (aka, beware the buyer): Ok, here is what I think is going on.
There are different versions of this software out. (1) Part# 534-02125: this
SHOULD BE (doesn't mean it is from some vendors) the retail version which is
a 1 YEAR subscription in YOUR name registed by YOU with Microsoft including
a 25 digit activation code (newer longer length code). Should be around
$2,400. Why anyone would buy this license is beyond me. Keep reading. (2)
Part# 534-02031: this is an Open License Program (OLP) version which is a 2
year subscription in YOUR name BUT... you have to qualify for open license,
usually a 5 license purchase. The simplest way to do this is to buy 4 cheap
OLP licenses (ie, four Encarta licenses at $25 apiece) and one $$$$ license
(ie, one MSDN Universal OLP License). Perfectly legal and even recommended
by Microsoft. Should be around $2800 to $2900. (3) There is an OEM version.
Don't know the part# but I have seen Microsoft use the same part# for Retail
and OEM. Unbelievable. I believe that's what most of these cheaper licenses
are. The weird thing about some of these vendors is that the software will
be activated/registered under THEIR name. Weirder yet, talking with
Microsoft about this still has me baffled because Microsoft SAID (I don't
believe them) they will activate this license. The only catch on OEM
purchases is you have to buy a piece of hardware along with the software.
The grey area? In past Microsoft OEM licensing that hardware can be as low
priced as a $4 CD audio cable! Some vendors say they won't play this game
with OEM licensing because Microsoft could come back and revoke your license
unless you're hardware purchase is substantial. What is substantial? A
complete PC? A hard drive? A room full of equipment? Is it worth the risk?
Is there a problem having the software activated by the vendor as long as
you get the media and updates? Is there a downside to buying this license if
you buy "substantial" hardware? I don't know the answer to those questions.
Perhaps someone could post a response to this message. (4) There are
Academic licenses 1 Year licenses which retail around $979. That's all I
know about them. (5) Last but not least (and probably not the last, just the
last I know about) there are NFR's (Not For Resale) versions given by
Microsoft and distributors to let resellers et cetera try out software but
they AREN'T SUPPOSED TO RESELL IT. Hey, I hope this helps you figure things
out. If it does, send a prayer my way... I could use it. But if it doesn't,
join the rest of the club! I spent 3 hours with Microsoft's lead licensing
guru one day two years ago and hung up 10X more confused than when I
called...

Paul
*****************************************


-----Original Message-----
From: Brett Barabash [mailto:BBarabash at tappeconstruction.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 11:03 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack


Jim,
I talked to your contact in April before purchasing our subscriptions,
and was quoted a price of $1675 each.  He pointed out the Microsoft has
changed their distribution strategy and thus has gained more control
over prices being charged by independent vendors :-(

I shopped around and ended up purchasing from these guys:
http://www.softwaremore-usa.com/msun70.html

FULL MSDN Universal 7.0 subscription for $1050.00.  Not an academic
edition, and the disks shipped immediately from MS headquarters.  I
would highly recommend this vendor.

(Back when I purchased mine, MS also had a $300.00 rebate for purchasing
this software on DVD.  Unfortunately it is no more...)

Bobby,
Don't waste your time on an Academic subscription.  The licensing
agreements normally prohibit using it to develop software for clients.

All,
Even though the MSDN subscription (and updates) lasts for only a year,
the software has a perpetual license:
http://msdn.microsoft.com/subscriptions/faq/default.aspx#licensing

However, there are certain limitations to the use of the software (e.g.
you can use SQL Server for development, but you can't run your company's
DB server with it!)

<snip>
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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Fri Sep 10 08:34:40 2004
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 08:34:40 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Fw: Tab limits for tab controls
In-Reply-To: <28627862.1094822553724.JavaMail.root@sniper2.usinternet.com>
Message-ID: <001701c4973a$ed137830$de1811d8@danwaters>

Jim,

I often use several tabs (9 max so far).  But to help users, the focus is
set to the tab where the next activity needs to be done.  Users like that.

Dan Waters

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Hewson
Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 8:12 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Fw: Tab limits for tab controls

Susan,
I've got to ask.
Why would you need that many?
I've used six and thought that was way over the top for most users.
Just curious.
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 7:57 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Fw: Tab limits for tab controls


Does anyone know the official limit for the number of tabs on a tab control?
I can't get passed 877, which seems a strange number for that limit. I'm
using 2003 -- what about earlier versions? I've checked Help, not finding
anything on the tab limits, but still looking. 

Thanks!

Susan H. 
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From BBarabash at TappeConstruction.com  Fri Sep 10 08:40:55 2004
From: BBarabash at TappeConstruction.com (Brett Barabash)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 08:40:55 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] AHOO!!!  Got my action pack
Message-ID: <100F91B31300334B89EC531C9DCB0865065938@tccexch01.tappeconstruction.net>

Not to dispute with a distinguished expert like "TallPaulInJax", but...

As far as I can tell, there is no such thing as an OEM MSDN subscription
(at least according to Microsoft's website):
http://msdn.microsoft.com/subscriptions/licensing/default.aspx

I am fairly certain that I purchased a legitimate single user MSDN
Universal subscription.  Microsoft, not the vendor, activated the
software and shipped me the welcome kit from their fufillment center.
Each month, my updates are shipped from MS as well.  This is not an
extra set of NFR disks that a vendor had on hand, since nothing was sent
to me from Software More.  They take the order, collect the cash, and
then MS handles it from there.  If there was anything fraudulent going
on, Microsoft would have to be in on it.


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mitsules,
Mark S. (Newport News)
Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 6:40 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack

I read this review for the MSDN Universal 7.0 Subscription on
PriceGrabber.com.  After reading the review, do any of you have any
comments regarding the third option listed below.  This seems to be the
option that is offered at the site Brett suggested below.  To reiterate
just one of the concerns the reviewer mentioned..."Is there a
downside..."?

Mark


*****************************************
Reviewed by: TallPaulInJax, from FL Date reviewed: 16-Apr-04
Summary: 
I drove down the rating so you would be more inclined to read this
review because it contains very important info. I've been TAKEN for
$2000 worth of Office software before and I don't want the same to
happen to you. 

Caveat emptor (aka, beware the buyer): Ok, here is what I think is going
on.
There are different versions of this software out. (1) Part# 534-02125:
this SHOULD BE (doesn't mean it is from some vendors) the retail version
which is a 1 YEAR subscription in YOUR name registed by YOU with
Microsoft including a 25 digit activation code (newer longer length
code). Should be around $2,400. Why anyone would buy this license is
beyond me. Keep reading. (2) Part# 534-02031: this is an Open License
Program (OLP) version which is a 2 year subscription in YOUR name BUT...
you have to qualify for open license, usually a 5 license purchase. The
simplest way to do this is to buy 4 cheap OLP licenses (ie, four Encarta
licenses at $25 apiece) and one $$$$ license (ie, one MSDN Universal OLP
License). Perfectly legal and even recommended by Microsoft. Should be
around $2800 to $2900. (3) There is an OEM version.
Don't know the part# but I have seen Microsoft use the same part# for
Retail and OEM. Unbelievable. I believe that's what most of these
cheaper licenses are. The weird thing about some of these vendors is
that the software will be activated/registered under THEIR name. Weirder
yet, talking with Microsoft about this still has me baffled because
Microsoft SAID (I don't believe them) they will activate this license.
The only catch on OEM purchases is you have to buy a piece of hardware
along with the software.
The grey area? In past Microsoft OEM licensing that hardware can be as
low priced as a $4 CD audio cable! Some vendors say they won't play this
game with OEM licensing because Microsoft could come back and revoke
your license unless you're hardware purchase is substantial. What is
substantial? A complete PC? A hard drive? A room full of equipment? Is
it worth the risk?
Is there a problem having the software activated by the vendor as long
as you get the media and updates? Is there a downside to buying this
license if you buy "substantial" hardware? I don't know the answer to
those questions.
Perhaps someone could post a response to this message. (4) There are
Academic licenses 1 Year licenses which retail around $979. That's all I
know about them. (5) Last but not least (and probably not the last, just
the last I know about) there are NFR's (Not For Resale) versions given
by Microsoft and distributors to let resellers et cetera try out
software but they AREN'T SUPPOSED TO RESELL IT. Hey, I hope this helps
you figure things out. If it does, send a prayer my way... I could use
it. But if it doesn't, join the rest of the club! I spent 3 hours with
Microsoft's lead licensing guru one day two years ago and hung up 10X
more confused than when I called... 

Paul
*****************************************



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From john at winhaven.net  Fri Sep 10 08:51:55 2004
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 08:51:55 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Bid announcement
Message-ID: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJKEFMHJAA.john@winhaven.net>

Here is a rather odd sounding bid request I received from the state this
morning:

Bid Title: Furnish E-Scrap removal, processing and disposal services


I worked late the last couple of nights so I may be a bit confuso en la
cabeza but does anyone know what this means?




From serbach at new.rr.com  Fri Sep 10 08:52:37 2004
From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 08:52:37 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] AHOO!!!  Got my action pack
In-Reply-To: <01f201c496ac$675d5e10$6601a8c0@HAL9002>
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312A43@infoserver01.infostat.local>
	<01f201c496ac$675d5e10$6601a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <20040910085237.629179895.serbach@new.rr.com>

Rocky,

>> What happens after two years?  Can you install on another machine?  Are your unused licenses still good? <<

I haven't read the ENTIRE EULA. I do know, however, that after two years I'll have to cough up the ready for a regularly priced MSDN Universal subscription.

As far as licenses, each of the products that require those 25-digit serial numbers come with a generic number that you get once you subscribe (it's available on the MSDN web site for subscribers to the Empower program). I've installed Windows XP Pro on four machines out of the allowable five. Every product can be used on five workstations. For example, SQL Server can have up to five users.

"Unused licenses?" Again, the serial number for each installation of, say, Microsoft Office is the same. I don't know what happens at the end of two years. I suspect it's more-or-less the honor system. When I signed up it seemed to me that the Empower people hadn't really gotten their act together yet. I actually received a letter saying that my subscription was ended just a week after it started. I also got a nice apology letter, but it showed me that they weren't geared up for it too well.

Steve Erbach




From ssharkins at bellsouth.net  Fri Sep 10 08:43:51 2004
From: ssharkins at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 09:43:51 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Fw: Tab limits for tab controls
References: <004401c49735$b533aca0$9865fea9@BILLONE>
	<14524644046.20040910151444@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <003201c4973d$a96d5350$9865fea9@BILLONE>

I just thought 877 an odd place to stop. :) But I don't know if that's
really the limit or if there's some other problem. I've got a simple
procedure that's adding pages for me -- it stops at 877.

Susan H.

> Hi Susan
>
> What is wrong with 877? In octal it is 1555 - also a neat number.
>
> But sure it's a problem. Phone is keeping ringing here with requests
> for 1000+ tabs controls! Should I move business to selling beer?
>
> /gustav
>
>
> > Does anyone know the official limit for the number of tabs on a tab
control? I can't get passed 877, which seems a strange number for that
limit. I'm using 2003 -- what about earlier versions? I've
> > checked Help, not finding anything on the tab limits, but still looking.
>
> --
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From ssharkins at bellsouth.net  Fri Sep 10 08:50:39 2004
From: ssharkins at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 09:50:39 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Fw: Tab limits for tab controls
References: <9C382E065F54AE48BC3AA7925DCBB01C0103E2F7@karta-exc-int.Karta.com>
Message-ID: <003401c4973d$b96af410$9865fea9@BILLONE>

I don't need that many -- but I'm writing about them and that's just part of
the information -- I need to tell them how many tabs are allowed --  just
part of a comprehensive look at the control. Don't worry, I'm also telling
the gentle reader to NOT use them all. ;)

Susan H.


> Susan,
> I've got to ask.
> Why would you need that many?
> I've used six and thought that was way over the top for most users.
> Just curious.



From serbach at new.rr.com  Fri Sep 10 08:57:53 2004
From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 08:57:53 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] AHOO!!!  Got my action pack
In-Reply-To: <061001c496f1$18bcd610$6601a8c0@HAL9002>
References: <1496.216.43.21.234.1094654535.squirrel@cetus.email.starband.net>
	<004701c4967c$d38730a0$80b3fea9@ColbyM6805>
	<20040909141947.1901151160.serbach@new.rr.com>
	<061001c496f1$18bcd610$6601a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <20040910085753.1330559726.serbach@new.rr.com>

Rocky,

>> DVDs?  How do you install if your machine has no DVD? <<

That is a poser. It seems to me that MS distributes the Universal subscription on CDs, but it must amount to 6 dozen or so CDs. Yikes! I'll bet they charge a premium for that.

There are one or two DVDs that contain ISO images so that you can burn installation CDs for things like Windows XP Professional.

I did notice that when you want to install Visual Studio .NET 2003 that you have to puzzle out what to install and where to find it. The HTML file MS uses for its index on the DVD doesn't start any installation programs; it just opens My Computer with the contents of one of the folders on the DVD. It took me a while to figure out all the steps I had to perform to get VS.NET installed properly.

And there's no free tech support with the Empower program, fwiw.

Steve Erbach




From JHewson at karta.com  Fri Sep 10 09:05:01 2004
From: JHewson at karta.com (Jim Hewson)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 09:05:01 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Fw: Tab limits for tab controls
Message-ID: <9C382E065F54AE48BC3AA7925DCBB01C0103E2F8@karta-exc-int.Karta.com>

Thanks Dan,
It still boggles my mind thinking about it.  877 tabs!
I just can't imagine a database that could use that many tabs on a tab control.
What would the form look like... what size of screen would need to be used?
Jim

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 8:35 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Fw: Tab limits for tab controls


Jim,

I often use several tabs (9 max so far).  But to help users, the focus is
set to the tab where the next activity needs to be done.  Users like that.

Dan Waters

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Hewson
Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 8:12 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Fw: Tab limits for tab controls

Susan,
I've got to ask.
Why would you need that many?
I've used six and thought that was way over the top for most users.
Just curious.
Jim

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 7:57 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Fw: Tab limits for tab controls


Does anyone know the official limit for the number of tabs on a tab control?
I can't get passed 877, which seems a strange number for that limit. I'm
using 2003 -- what about earlier versions? I've checked Help, not finding
anything on the tab limits, but still looking. 

Thanks!

Susan H. 
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From JHewson at karta.com  Fri Sep 10 09:08:21 2004
From: JHewson at karta.com (Jim Hewson)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 09:08:21 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Fw: Tab limits for tab controls
Message-ID: <9C382E065F54AE48BC3AA7925DCBB01C0103E2F9@karta-exc-int.Karta.com>

Thanks Susan,
It gave me a headache thinking about the concept!
BTW - good job on the lead article of the October Issue of Inside Access.
You and Drew did a great job.
Jim

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 8:51 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Fw: Tab limits for tab controls


I don't need that many -- but I'm writing about them and that's just part of
the information -- I need to tell them how many tabs are allowed --  just
part of a comprehensive look at the control. Don't worry, I'm also telling
the gentle reader to NOT use them all. ;)

Susan H.


> Susan,
> I've got to ask.
> Why would you need that many?
> I've used six and thought that was way over the top for most users.
> Just curious.

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From serbach at new.rr.com  Fri Sep 10 09:10:10 2004
From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 09:10:10 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] AHOO!!!  Got my action pack
In-Reply-To: <F37DAC9A2964B144A2973EBCA8C54DBDABD3CF@BURY2K23.bury.gov.uk>
References: <F37DAC9A2964B144A2973EBCA8C54DBDABD3CF@BURY2K23.bury.gov.uk>
Message-ID: <20040910091010.2093959404.serbach@new.rr.com>

Richard,

>> Is this offer open to non-US persons? You have to subscribe for 2 years (ie 2 * $375)? I assume after the 2 years you are still able to use all the software and what stops are the updates etc - can you confirm this? <<

You mean I've gotta look it up in the EULA? Golly!

Lets see:

"Is this offer open to non-US persons?" Paragraph 23 of the agreement says that only one of these Empower enrollments can be made per company PER COUNTRY. It goes on to say, "For example, if Member has three subsidiaries located in three different countries, your company may be awarded up to four initiative memberships; one for your company and one for each subsidiary."

"You have to subscribe for 2 years (ie 2 * $375)?" No, you may subscribe for UP TO two years; you don't need to continue beyond the first year. However the other requirements would still be in force, I believe; namely, that you have to develop and release a "new commercial software solution within 24 months from activation of your initial membership."

"I assume after the 2 years you are still able to use all the software and what stops are the updates etc - can you confirm this?" The agreement says (paragraph 11b), "Upon expiration of your enrollment in this initiative, you must remove all copies of the software licensed under this agreement, unless valid licenses are acquired."

I hope this answers your questions.

Steve Erbach




From john at winhaven.net  Fri Sep 10 09:20:06 2004
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 09:20:06 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] AHOO!!!  Got my action pack
In-Reply-To: <20040910085237.629179895.serbach@new.rr.com>
Message-ID: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIAEDAFOAA.john@winhaven.net>

Steve,
With the Universal MSDN you have the license for life not the subscription period. I wasn't going to re-subscribe last year due to the price but when Jim passed on the lower prices he had been getting I went ahead and re-subbed. I have no idea as to if this holds true for empower as I missed that great deal.

John B.

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Erbach
Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 8:53 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack


Rocky,

>> What happens after two years?  Can you install on another machine?  Are your unused licenses still good? <<

I haven't read the ENTIRE EULA. I do know, however, that after two years I'll have to cough up the ready for a regularly priced MSDN Universal subscription.

As far as licenses, each of the products that require those 25-digit serial numbers come with a generic number that you get once you subscribe (it's available on the MSDN web site for subscribers to the Empower program). I've installed Windows XP Pro on four machines out of the allowable five. Every product can be used on five workstations. For example, SQL Server can have up to five users.

"Unused licenses?" Again, the serial number for each installation of, say, Microsoft Office is the same. I don't know what happens at the end of two years. I suspect it's more-or-less the honor system. When I signed up it seemed to me that the Empower people hadn't really gotten their act together yet. I actually received a letter saying that my subscription was ended just a week after it started. I also got a nice apology letter, but it showed me that they weren't geared up for it too well.

Steve Erbach


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From BarbaraRyan at cox.net  Fri Sep 10 09:31:23 2004
From: BarbaraRyan at cox.net (Barbara Ryan)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 10:31:23 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Table description
Message-ID: <008301c49742$d922f8c0$0a00a8c0@cx470148a>

I am trying to find the description of a table (Access 97) using code.  I tried the following (which doesn't work):

For intI = 0 To db.TableDefs.Count - 1
   Set MyDef = db.TableDefs(intI)
   Debug.Print MyDef.Properties("Description").Value
Next intI

Any ideas?

Thanks,
Barb Ryan

From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com  Fri Sep 10 09:26:48 2004
From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark S. (Newport News))
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 10:26:48 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Bid announcement
Message-ID: <BA209D7D3A20BE499AB726E4ED7A6DA1FCB711@nprdex02.nns.com>

Get rid of old office equipment...computers, monitors, printers, etc.


Mark




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From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net] 
Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 9:52 AM
To: _DBA-Access
Subject: [AccessD] Bid announcement


Here is a rather odd sounding bid request I received from the state this
morning:

Bid Title: Furnish E-Scrap removal, processing and disposal services


I worked late the last couple of nights so I may be a bit confuso en la
cabeza but does anyone know what this means?


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From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com  Fri Sep 10 09:28:24 2004
From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark S. (Newport News))
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 10:28:24 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] AHOO!!!  Got my action pack
Message-ID: <BA209D7D3A20BE499AB726E4ED7A6DA1FCB712@nprdex02.nns.com>

Brett,

I didn't mean to imply any wrongdoing.  As for the "distinguished expert",
the author's comments, he assures us, came after lengthy discussions with an
M$ "licensing guru".  By all accounts, (his, his account of M$'s response,
and your experience,) there is nothing "wrong" with this approach.  I
understand your comment that M$, and not the vendor, is doing the actual
activation.  But, in the retail version you deal directly with M$, and it
seems that in this option the vendor initiates the activation process on
your behalf.  My underlying question still remains...just as this author
asked, "Is there a problem having the software activated by the vendor as
long as you get the media and updates?"  So far, by all accounts, it seems
the answer is no...


Mark




-----Original Message-----
From: Brett Barabash [mailto:BBarabash at tappeconstruction.com] 
Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 9:41 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack


Not to dispute with a distinguished expert like "TallPaulInJax", but...

As far as I can tell, there is no such thing as an OEM MSDN subscription
(at least according to Microsoft's website):
http://msdn.microsoft.com/subscriptions/licensing/default.aspx

I am fairly certain that I purchased a legitimate single user MSDN
Universal subscription.  Microsoft, not the vendor, activated the
software and shipped me the welcome kit from their fufillment center.
Each month, my updates are shipped from MS as well.  This is not an
extra set of NFR disks that a vendor had on hand, since nothing was sent
to me from Software More.  They take the order, collect the cash, and
then MS handles it from there.  If there was anything fraudulent going
on, Microsoft would have to be in on it.


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mitsules,
Mark S. (Newport News)
Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 6:40 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack

I read this review for the MSDN Universal 7.0 Subscription on
PriceGrabber.com.  After reading the review, do any of you have any
comments regarding the third option listed below.  This seems to be the
option that is offered at the site Brett suggested below.  To reiterate
just one of the concerns the reviewer mentioned..."Is there a
downside..."?

Mark


*****************************************
Reviewed by: TallPaulInJax, from FL Date reviewed: 16-Apr-04
Summary: 
I drove down the rating so you would be more inclined to read this
review because it contains very important info. I've been TAKEN for
$2000 worth of Office software before and I don't want the same to
happen to you. 

Caveat emptor (aka, beware the buyer): Ok, here is what I think is going
on.
There are different versions of this software out. (1) Part# 534-02125:
this SHOULD BE (doesn't mean it is from some vendors) the retail version
which is a 1 YEAR subscription in YOUR name registed by YOU with
Microsoft including a 25 digit activation code (newer longer length
code). Should be around $2,400. Why anyone would buy this license is
beyond me. Keep reading. (2) Part# 534-02031: this is an Open License
Program (OLP) version which is a 2 year subscription in YOUR name BUT...
you have to qualify for open license, usually a 5 license purchase. The
simplest way to do this is to buy 4 cheap OLP licenses (ie, four Encarta
licenses at $25 apiece) and one $$$$ license (ie, one MSDN Universal OLP
License). Perfectly legal and even recommended by Microsoft. Should be
around $2800 to $2900. (3) There is an OEM version.
Don't know the part# but I have seen Microsoft use the same part# for
Retail and OEM. Unbelievable. I believe that's what most of these
cheaper licenses are. The weird thing about some of these vendors is
that the software will be activated/registered under THEIR name. Weirder
yet, talking with Microsoft about this still has me baffled because
Microsoft SAID (I don't believe them) they will activate this license.
The only catch on OEM purchases is you have to buy a piece of hardware
along with the software.
The grey area? In past Microsoft OEM licensing that hardware can be as
low priced as a $4 CD audio cable! Some vendors say they won't play this
game with OEM licensing because Microsoft could come back and revoke
your license unless you're hardware purchase is substantial. What is
substantial? A complete PC? A hard drive? A room full of equipment? Is
it worth the risk?
Is there a problem having the software activated by the vendor as long
as you get the media and updates? Is there a downside to buying this
license if you buy "substantial" hardware? I don't know the answer to
those questions.
Perhaps someone could post a response to this message. (4) There are
Academic licenses 1 Year licenses which retail around $979. That's all I
know about them. (5) Last but not least (and probably not the last, just
the last I know about) there are NFR's (Not For Resale) versions given
by Microsoft and distributors to let resellers et cetera try out
software but they AREN'T SUPPOSED TO RESELL IT. Hey, I hope this helps
you figure things out. If it does, send a prayer my way... I could use
it. But if it doesn't, join the rest of the club! I spent 3 hours with
Microsoft's lead licensing guru one day two years ago and hung up 10X
more confused than when I called... 

Paul
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From awithing at twcny.rr.com  Fri Sep 10 09:30:18 2004
From: awithing at twcny.rr.com (augusta)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 10:30:18 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] emailing a newsletter
In-Reply-To: <100F91B31300334B89EC531C9DCB0865065938@tccexch01.tappeconstruction.net>
Message-ID: <200409101430.i8AEUIMw016991@ms-smtp-02.nyroc.rr.com>

I have a client who has about 700 email addresses within an Access database
to whom she would like to send a newsletter.

Can anyone suggest a good way of going about this, other than
query/copy/paste in to outlook? Also, for some reason when she does it this
way, she can only use about 50 address.

Thanks augusta




From dwaters at usinternet.com  Fri Sep 10 09:55:13 2004
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 09:55:13 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Bid announcement
In-Reply-To: <19446489.1094824960729.JavaMail.root@sniper9.usinternet.com>
Message-ID: <001801c49746$2d7e3fd0$de1811d8@danwaters>

Maybe they want some code to help them sort the recyclables!

Dan

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 8:52 AM
To: _DBA-Access
Subject: [AccessD] Bid announcement

Here is a rather odd sounding bid request I received from the state this
morning:

Bid Title: Furnish E-Scrap removal, processing and disposal services


I worked late the last couple of nights so I may be a bit confuso en la
cabeza but does anyone know what this means?


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From R.Griffiths at bury.gov.uk  Fri Sep 10 09:58:00 2004
From: R.Griffiths at bury.gov.uk (Griffiths, Richard)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 15:58:00 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] AHOO!!!  Got my action pack
Message-ID: <F37DAC9A2964B144A2973EBCA8C54DBD25DD82@BURY2K23.bury.gov.uk>

Yes, many thanks


-----Original Message-----
From: Steven W. Erbach [mailto:serbach at new.rr.com] 
Sent: 10 September 2004 15:10
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack

Richard,

>> Is this offer open to non-US persons? You have to subscribe for 2
years (ie 2 * $375)? I assume after the 2 years you are still able to
use all the software and what stops are the updates etc - can you
confirm this? <<

You mean I've gotta look it up in the EULA? Golly!

Lets see:

"Is this offer open to non-US persons?" Paragraph 23 of the agreement
says that only one of these Empower enrollments can be made per company
PER COUNTRY. It goes on to say, "For example, if Member has three
subsidiaries located in three different countries, your company may be
awarded up to four initiative memberships; one for your company and one
for each subsidiary."

"You have to subscribe for 2 years (ie 2 * $375)?" No, you may subscribe
for UP TO two years; you don't need to continue beyond the first year.
However the other requirements would still be in force, I believe;
namely, that you have to develop and release a "new commercial software
solution within 24 months from activation of your initial membership."

"I assume after the 2 years you are still able to use all the software
and what stops are the updates etc - can you confirm this?" The
agreement says (paragraph 11b), "Upon expiration of your enrollment in
this initiative, you must remove all copies of the software licensed
under this agreement, unless valid licenses are acquired."

I hope this answers your questions.

Steve Erbach


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From gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Sep 10 10:01:54 2004
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 17:01:54 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Fw: Tab limits for tab controls
In-Reply-To: <003201c4973d$a96d5350$9865fea9@BILLONE>
References: <004401c49735$b533aca0$9865fea9@BILLONE>
	<14524644046.20040910151444@cactus.dk>
	<003201c4973d$a96d5350$9865fea9@BILLONE>
Message-ID: <15031074232.20040910170154@cactus.dk>

Hi Susan

> I just thought 877 an odd place to stop. :) But I don't know if that's
> really the limit or if there's some other problem. I've got a simple
> procedure that's adding pages for me -- it stops at 877.

Well, it equals 512 plus 365.

That equals a nice 16 * 32 matrix of tabs plus one tab for each day of
the year (excluding leap years). Very useful.

/gustav


>> What is wrong with 877? In octal it is 1555 - also a neat number.
>>
>> But sure it's a problem. Phone is keeping ringing here with requests
>> for 1000+ tabs controls! Should I move business to selling beer?
>>
>> /gustav
>>
>>
>> > Does anyone know the official limit for the number of tabs on a tab
>> > control? I can't get passed 877, which seems a strange number for that
>> > limit. I'm using 2003 -- what about earlier versions? I've
>> > checked Help, not finding anything on the tab limits, but still looking.



From ssharkins at bellsouth.net  Fri Sep 10 09:29:53 2004
From: ssharkins at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 10:29:53 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Fw: Tab limits for tab controls
References: <9C382E065F54AE48BC3AA7925DCBB01C0103E2F9@karta-exc-int.Karta.com>
Message-ID: <007701c49743$cc2ada60$9865fea9@BILLONE>

Drew's the technique artist -- I just write this stuff up. :)

Re: The tabs -- a form with 877 tabs is a mess, and I've noticed that the
form does NOT display them in order -- which is odd. I tried it with 255,
which I originally assumed was the real limit (and may actually be), and
it's the same mess and weird arrangement.

I'm wondering if Access will let me add pages to the collection even though
the control itself can't support them? Would it do that?

Susan H.


> Thanks Susan,
> It gave me a headache thinking about the concept!
> BTW - good job on the lead article of the October Issue of Inside Access.
> You and Drew did a great job.
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
> Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 8:51 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Fw: Tab limits for tab controls
>
>
> I don't need that many -- but I'm writing about them and that's just part
of
> the information -- I need to tell them how many tabs are allowed --  just
> part of a comprehensive look at the control. Don't worry, I'm also telling
> the gentle reader to NOT use them all. ;)
>
> Susan H.
>
>
> > Susan,
> > I've got to ask.
> > Why would you need that many?
> > I've used six and thought that was way over the top for most users.
> > Just curious.
>
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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Fri Sep 10 10:26:01 2004
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 08:26:01 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Bid announcement
References: <001801c49746$2d7e3fd0$de1811d8@danwaters>
Message-ID: <018301c4974a$7ad21960$6601a8c0@HAL9002>

It's probably recycling old computers, monitors and other electronics with
toxics in them.  Big deal now.  Turns out old computers are loaded with bad
stuff.  Here about twice a year you can bring all your stuff to the stadium
for recycling.  I think HP sponsors it. I understand it's going over to
China where they extract the gold and other stuff.

Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
http://www.e-z-mrp.com


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To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 7:55 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Bid announcement


> Maybe they want some code to help them sort the recyclables!
>
> Dan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
> Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 8:52 AM
> To: _DBA-Access
> Subject: [AccessD] Bid announcement
>
> Here is a rather odd sounding bid request I received from the state this
> morning:
>
> Bid Title: Furnish E-Scrap removal, processing and disposal services
>
>
> I worked late the last couple of nights so I may be a bit confuso en la
> cabeza but does anyone know what this means?
>
>
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri Sep 10 10:31:13 2004
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 08:31:13 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] AHOO!!!  Got my action pack
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312A4B@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Yes, our office got one of those letters and the apology as well.

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Steven W. Erbach [mailto:serbach at new.rr.com] 
Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 6:53 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack


Rocky,

>> What happens after two years?  Can you install on another machine?  
>> Are your unused licenses still good? <<

I haven't read the ENTIRE EULA. I do know, however, that after two years
I'll have to cough up the ready for a regularly priced MSDN Universal
subscription.

As far as licenses, each of the products that require those 25-digit
serial numbers come with a generic number that you get once you
subscribe (it's available on the MSDN web site for subscribers to the
Empower program). I've installed Windows XP Pro on four machines out of
the allowable five. Every product can be used on five workstations. For
example, SQL Server can have up to five users.

"Unused licenses?" Again, the serial number for each installation of,
say, Microsoft Office is the same. I don't know what happens at the end
of two years. I suspect it's more-or-less the honor system. When I
signed up it seemed to me that the Empower people hadn't really gotten
their act together yet. I actually received a letter saying that my
subscription was ended just a week after it started. I also got a nice
apology letter, but it showed me that they weren't geared up for it too
well.

Steve Erbach


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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri Sep 10 10:39:11 2004
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 08:39:11 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] AHOO!!!  Got my action pack
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312A4C@infoserver01.infostat.local>

That makes no sense at all.  MSDN Universal is subscription only and has
nothing at all to do with a hardware purchase.  I've never heard of an
OEM version of MSDN, let alone MSDN Universal.

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Mitsules, Mark S. (Newport News) [mailto:Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com] 
Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 4:40 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack


I read this review for the MSDN Universal 7.0 Subscription on
PriceGrabber.com.  After reading the review, do any of you have any
comments regarding the third option listed below.  This seems to be the
option that is offered at the site Brett suggested below.  To reiterate
just one of the concerns the reviewer mentioned..."Is there a
downside..."?

Mark


*****************************************
Reviewed by: TallPaulInJax, from FL Date reviewed: 16-Apr-04 
Summary: 
I drove down the rating so you would be more inclined to read this
review because it contains very important info. I've been TAKEN for
$2000 worth of Office software before and I don't want the same to
happen to you. 

Caveat emptor (aka, beware the buyer): Ok, here is what I think is going
on. There are different versions of this software out. (1) Part#
534-02125: this SHOULD BE (doesn't mean it is from some vendors) the
retail version which is a 1 YEAR subscription in YOUR name registed by
YOU with Microsoft including a 25 digit activation code (newer longer
length code). Should be around $2,400. Why anyone would buy this license
is beyond me. Keep reading. (2) Part# 534-02031: this is an Open License
Program (OLP) version which is a 2 year subscription in YOUR name BUT...
you have to qualify for open license, usually a 5 license purchase. The
simplest way to do this is to buy 4 cheap OLP licenses (ie, four Encarta
licenses at $25 apiece) and one $$$$ license (ie, one MSDN Universal OLP
License). Perfectly legal and even recommended by Microsoft. Should be
around $2800 to $2900. (3) There is an OEM version. Don't know the part#
but I have seen Microsoft use the same part# for Retail and OEM.
Unbelievable. I believe that's what most of these cheaper licenses are.
The weird thing about some of these vendors is that the software will be
activated/registered under THEIR name. Weirder yet, talking with
Microsoft about this still has me baffled because Microsoft SAID (I
don't believe them) they will activate this license. The only catch on
OEM purchases is you have to buy a piece of hardware along with the
software. The grey area? In past Microsoft OEM licensing that hardware
can be as low priced as a $4 CD audio cable! Some vendors say they won't
play this game with OEM licensing because Microsoft could come back and
revoke your license unless you're hardware purchase is substantial. What
is substantial? A complete PC? A hard drive? A room full of equipment?
Is it worth the risk? Is there a problem having the software activated
by the vendor as long as you get the media and updates? Is there a
downside to buying this license if you buy "substantial" hardware? I
don't know the answer to those questions. Perhaps someone could post a
response to this message. (4) There are Academic licenses 1 Year
licenses which retail around $979. That's all I know about them. (5)
Last but not least (and probably not the last, just the last I know
about) there are NFR's (Not For Resale) versions given by Microsoft and
distributors to let resellers et cetera try out software but they AREN'T
SUPPOSED TO RESELL IT. Hey, I hope this helps you figure things out. If
it does, send a prayer my way... I could use it. But if it doesn't, join
the rest of the club! I spent 3 hours with Microsoft's lead licensing
guru one day two years ago and hung up 10X more confused than when I
called... 

Paul
*****************************************


-----Original Message-----
From: Brett Barabash [mailto:BBarabash at tappeconstruction.com] 
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 11:03 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack


Jim,
I talked to your contact in April before purchasing our subscriptions,
and was quoted a price of $1675 each.  He pointed out the Microsoft has
changed their distribution strategy and thus has gained more control
over prices being charged by independent vendors :-(

I shopped around and ended up purchasing from these guys:
http://www.softwaremore-usa.com/msun70.html

FULL MSDN Universal 7.0 subscription for $1050.00.  Not an academic
edition, and the disks shipped immediately from MS headquarters.  I
would highly recommend this vendor.

(Back when I purchased mine, MS also had a $300.00 rebate for purchasing
this software on DVD.  Unfortunately it is no more...)

Bobby,
Don't waste your time on an Academic subscription.  The licensing
agreements normally prohibit using it to develop software for clients.

All,
Even though the MSDN subscription (and updates) lasts for only a year,
the software has a perpetual license:
http://msdn.microsoft.com/subscriptions/faq/default.aspx#licensing

However, there are certain limitations to the use of the software (e.g.
you can use SQL Server for development, but you can't run your company's
DB server with it!)

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From ssharkins at bellsouth.net  Fri Sep 10 10:39:38 2004
From: ssharkins at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 11:39:38 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Fw: Tab limits for tab controls
References: <004401c49735$b533aca0$9865fea9@BILLONE><14524644046.20040910151444@cactus.dk><003201c4973d$a96d5350$9865fea9@BILLONE>
	<15031074232.20040910170154@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <006001c4974c$b155b7b0$9865fea9@BILLONE>

>
> That equals a nice 16 * 32 matrix of tabs plus one tab for each day of
> the year (excluding leap years). Very useful.

===========OK, just on the outside chance that you're not pulling my leg,
how would this be useful? ;)

Susan H.



From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri Sep 10 10:41:44 2004
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 08:41:44 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Fw: Tab limits for tab controls
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312A4D@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Are you setting the indexes of the tabs and not seeing them in that
order?  I think one of our forms with 12 tabs in two rows is a mess, but
then I didn't create it. ;-}

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Susan Harkins [mailto:ssharkins at bellsouth.net] 
Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 7:30 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Fw: Tab limits for tab controls


Drew's the technique artist -- I just write this stuff up. :)

Re: The tabs -- a form with 877 tabs is a mess, and I've noticed that
the form does NOT display them in order -- which is odd. I tried it with
255, which I originally assumed was the real limit (and may actually
be), and it's the same mess and weird arrangement.

I'm wondering if Access will let me add pages to the collection even
though the control itself can't support them? Would it do that?

Susan H.


> Thanks Susan,
> It gave me a headache thinking about the concept!
> BTW - good job on the lead article of the October Issue of Inside 
> Access. You and Drew did a great job. Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Susan 
> Harkins
> Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 8:51 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Fw: Tab limits for tab controls
>
>
> I don't need that many -- but I'm writing about them and that's just 
> part
of
> the information -- I need to tell them how many tabs are allowed --  
> just part of a comprehensive look at the control. Don't worry, I'm 
> also telling the gentle reader to NOT use them all. ;)
>
> Susan H.
>
>
> > Susan,
> > I've got to ask.
> > Why would you need that many?
> > I've used six and thought that was way over the top for most users. 
> > Just curious.
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri Sep 10 10:44:58 2004
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 08:44:58 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Fw: Tab limits for tab controls
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312A4E@infoserver01.infostat.local>

If you set the format to buttons, you could build an annual calendar.
<VBG>

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Susan Harkins [mailto:ssharkins at bellsouth.net] 
Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 8:40 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Fw: Tab limits for tab controls


>
> That equals a nice 16 * 32 matrix of tabs plus one tab for each day of

> the year (excluding leap years). Very useful.

===========OK, just on the outside chance that you're not pulling my
leg, how would this be useful? ;)

Susan H.

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From john at winhaven.net  Fri Sep 10 10:45:09 2004
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 10:45:09 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Bid announcement
In-Reply-To: <018301c4974a$7ad21960$6601a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJMEGFHJAA.john@winhaven.net>

I recently read an old National Geographic (mid-1990s) article about Taiwan.
It showed heaps of old computer parts with laborers digging through it and
separating it by hand for processing. It stated it was mostly shipped in
from the U.S.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
Beach Access Software
Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 10:26 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Bid announcement


It's probably recycling old computers, monitors and other electronics with
toxics in them.  Big deal now.  Turns out old computers are loaded with bad
stuff.  Here about twice a year you can bring all your stuff to the stadium
for recycling.  I think HP sponsors it. I understand it's going over to
China where they extract the gold and other stuff.

Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
http://www.e-z-mrp.com


----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Waters" <dwaters at usinternet.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 7:55 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Bid announcement


> Maybe they want some code to help them sort the recyclables!
>
> Dan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
> Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 8:52 AM
> To: _DBA-Access
> Subject: [AccessD] Bid announcement
>
> Here is a rather odd sounding bid request I received from the state this
> morning:
>
> Bid Title: Furnish E-Scrap removal, processing and disposal services
>
>
> I worked late the last couple of nights so I may be a bit confuso en la
> cabeza but does anyone know what this means?
>
>
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From reuben at gfconsultants.com  Fri Sep 10 10:47:12 2004
From: reuben at gfconsultants.com (Reuben Cummings)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 10:47:12 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] emailing a newsletter
In-Reply-To: <200409101430.i8AEUIMw016991@ms-smtp-02.nyroc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <FKEBJOENDDBJHLINGOBHCEPIFLAA.reuben@gfconsultants.com>

Augusta, I sent you a copy of a very small db that I have than can do what
you are after.

Reuben Cummings
GFC, LLC
phone: 812.523.1017
email: reuben at gfconsultants.com

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of augusta
> Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 9:30 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: [AccessD] emailing a newsletter
>
>
> I have a client who has about 700 email addresses within an
> Access database
> to whom she would like to send a newsletter.
>
> Can anyone suggest a good way of going about this, other than
> query/copy/paste in to outlook? Also, for some reason when she
> does it this
> way, she can only use about 50 address.
>
> Thanks augusta
>
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From pharold at proftesting.com  Fri Sep 10 10:51:52 2004
From: pharold at proftesting.com (Perry Harold)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 11:51:52 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Bid announcement
In-Reply-To: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJKEFMHJAA.john@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <000601c4974e$174026e0$082da8c0@D58BT131>

Since most electronic appliances aren't supposed to go into the landfill,
etc they may need someone to collect used monitor, system boxes, etc and
dispose of them.  It's seems to not be easy to find a place to dispose of
such items unless you're in the top 10 to 15 major cities.

Perry Harold

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 9:52 AM
To: _DBA-Access
Subject: [AccessD] Bid announcement


Here is a rather odd sounding bid request I received from the state this
morning:

Bid Title: Furnish E-Scrap removal, processing and disposal services


I worked late the last couple of nights so I may be a bit confuso en la
cabeza but does anyone know what this means?


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From john at winhaven.net  Fri Sep 10 10:54:38 2004
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 10:54:38 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Bid announcement
In-Reply-To: <BA209D7D3A20BE499AB726E4ED7A6DA1FCB711@nprdex02.nns.com>
Message-ID: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIOEDDFOAA.john@winhaven.net>

Could be, every now and then I get some odd bid requests but this tops them
all.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Mitsules, Mark
S. (Newport News)
Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 9:27 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Bid announcement


Get rid of old office equipment...computers, monitors, printers, etc.


Mark




-----Original Message-----
From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 9:52 AM
To: _DBA-Access
Subject: [AccessD] Bid announcement


Here is a rather odd sounding bid request I received from the state this
morning:

Bid Title: Furnish E-Scrap removal, processing and disposal services


I worked late the last couple of nights so I may be a bit confuso en la
cabeza but does anyone know what this means?


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From gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Sep 10 10:58:15 2004
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 17:58:15 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Fw: Tab limits for tab controls
In-Reply-To: <006001c4974c$b155b7b0$9865fea9@BILLONE>
References: <004401c49735$b533aca0$9865fea9@BILLONE><14524644046.20040910151444@cactus.dk><003201c4973d$a96d5350$9865fea9@BILLONE>
	<15031074232.20040910170154@cactus.dk>
	<006001c4974c$b155b7b0$9865fea9@BILLONE>
Message-ID: <13634454643.20040910175815@cactus.dk>

Hi Susan

>> That equals a nice 16 * 32 matrix of tabs plus one tab for each day of
>> the year (excluding leap years). Very useful.

> ===========OK, just on the outside chance that you're not pulling my leg,
> how would this be useful? ;)

It's Friday Susan!!

Are you settled after the move or are you sitting typing on top of
some boxes still waiting to be unpacked (the boxes, not you)?

/gustav



From ssharkins at bellsouth.net  Fri Sep 10 11:13:40 2004
From: ssharkins at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 12:13:40 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Express version numbers 
Message-ID: <009e01c49751$3ba01ab0$9865fea9@BILLONE>

sp_dbcmptlevel [[@dbname=] 'database_name']

 [,[@new_cmptlevel=] version]



If you run this in SQL Server Express using an invalid version number, the error message lists the SQL Server version numbers. It does make sense, if I force it to. ;) 



I also considered that the error message might just be wrong. 



Does anyone know if this is supposed to use SQL Server version numbers instead of Express/MSDN version numbers? 


From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com  Fri Sep 10 11:22:30 2004
From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark S. (Newport News))
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 12:22:30 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] AHOO!!!  Got my action pack
Message-ID: <BA209D7D3A20BE499AB726E4ED7A6DA1FCB716@nprdex02.nns.com>

Charlotte,

The name of the program per se (OEM) is not what is being questioned.  What
is being questioned is the program that allows you to get this subscription
at a deeply discounted rate with the only apparent difference being who
initiates the activation process.  What you call this program is immaterial,
it does exist as evidenced by the following link:
http://www.softwaremore-usa.com/msun70.html.  The question is: Is there a
downside?  More examples of this distribution/licensing/pricing program can
be found by looking at the cheapest alternatives on PriceGrabber.
Hopefully, that is the purpose of this list...to raise awareness to that
which we were previously unaware.

Mark



-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com] 
Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 11:39 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack


That makes no sense at all.  MSDN Universal is subscription only and has
nothing at all to do with a hardware purchase.  I've never heard of an
OEM version of MSDN, let alone MSDN Universal.

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Mitsules, Mark S. (Newport News) [mailto:Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com] 
Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 4:40 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack


I read this review for the MSDN Universal 7.0 Subscription on
PriceGrabber.com.  After reading the review, do any of you have any
comments regarding the third option listed below.  This seems to be the
option that is offered at the site Brett suggested below.  To reiterate
just one of the concerns the reviewer mentioned..."Is there a
downside..."?

Mark


*****************************************
Reviewed by: TallPaulInJax, from FL Date reviewed: 16-Apr-04 
Summary: 
I drove down the rating so you would be more inclined to read this
review because it contains very important info. I've been TAKEN for
$2000 worth of Office software before and I don't want the same to
happen to you. 

Caveat emptor (aka, beware the buyer): Ok, here is what I think is going
on. There are different versions of this software out. (1) Part#
534-02125: this SHOULD BE (doesn't mean it is from some vendors) the
retail version which is a 1 YEAR subscription in YOUR name registed by
YOU with Microsoft including a 25 digit activation code (newer longer
length code). Should be around $2,400. Why anyone would buy this license
is beyond me. Keep reading. (2) Part# 534-02031: this is an Open License
Program (OLP) version which is a 2 year subscription in YOUR name BUT...
you have to qualify for open license, usually a 5 license purchase. The
simplest way to do this is to buy 4 cheap OLP licenses (ie, four Encarta
licenses at $25 apiece) and one $$$$ license (ie, one MSDN Universal OLP
License). Perfectly legal and even recommended by Microsoft. Should be
around $2800 to $2900. (3) There is an OEM version. Don't know the part#
but I have seen Microsoft use the same part# for Retail and OEM.
Unbelievable. I believe that's what most of these cheaper licenses are.
The weird thing about some of these vendors is that the software will be
activated/registered under THEIR name. Weirder yet, talking with
Microsoft about this still has me baffled because Microsoft SAID (I
don't believe them) they will activate this license. The only catch on
OEM purchases is you have to buy a piece of hardware along with the
software. The grey area? In past Microsoft OEM licensing that hardware
can be as low priced as a $4 CD audio cable! Some vendors say they won't
play this game with OEM licensing because Microsoft could come back and
revoke your license unless you're hardware purchase is substantial. What
is substantial? A complete PC? A hard drive? A room full of equipment?
Is it worth the risk? Is there a problem having the software activated
by the vendor as long as you get the media and updates? Is there a
downside to buying this license if you buy "substantial" hardware? I
don't know the answer to those questions. Perhaps someone could post a
response to this message. (4) There are Academic licenses 1 Year
licenses which retail around $979. That's all I know about them. (5)
Last but not least (and probably not the last, just the last I know
about) there are NFR's (Not For Resale) versions given by Microsoft and
distributors to let resellers et cetera try out software but they AREN'T
SUPPOSED TO RESELL IT. Hey, I hope this helps you figure things out. If
it does, send a prayer my way... I could use it. But if it doesn't, join
the rest of the club! I spent 3 hours with Microsoft's lead licensing
guru one day two years ago and hung up 10X more confused than when I
called... 

Paul
*****************************************


-----Original Message-----
From: Brett Barabash [mailto:BBarabash at tappeconstruction.com] 
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 11:03 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack


Jim,
I talked to your contact in April before purchasing our subscriptions,
and was quoted a price of $1675 each.  He pointed out the Microsoft has
changed their distribution strategy and thus has gained more control
over prices being charged by independent vendors :-(

I shopped around and ended up purchasing from these guys:
http://www.softwaremore-usa.com/msun70.html

FULL MSDN Universal 7.0 subscription for $1050.00.  Not an academic
edition, and the disks shipped immediately from MS headquarters.  I
would highly recommend this vendor.

(Back when I purchased mine, MS also had a $300.00 rebate for purchasing
this software on DVD.  Unfortunately it is no more...)

Bobby,
Don't waste your time on an Academic subscription.  The licensing
agreements normally prohibit using it to develop software for clients.

All,
Even though the MSDN subscription (and updates) lasts for only a year,
the software has a perpetual license:
http://msdn.microsoft.com/subscriptions/faq/default.aspx#licensing

However, there are certain limitations to the use of the software (e.g.
you can use SQL Server for development, but you can't run your company's
DB server with it!)

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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Fri Sep 10 11:42:11 2004
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (DWUTKA at marlow.com)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 11:42:11 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Fw: Tab limits for tab controls
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8031BB360@main2.marlow.com>

Ack, I didn't get my copy yet! <sniff>

What was it, Shaped Forms?

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim Hewson
Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 9:08 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Fw: Tab limits for tab controls


Thanks Susan,
It gave me a headache thinking about the concept!
BTW - good job on the lead article of the October Issue of Inside Access.
You and Drew did a great job.
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 8:51 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Fw: Tab limits for tab controls


I don't need that many -- but I'm writing about them and that's just part of
the information -- I need to tell them how many tabs are allowed --  just
part of a comprehensive look at the control. Don't worry, I'm also telling
the gentle reader to NOT use them all. ;)

Susan H.


> Susan,
> I've got to ask.
> Why would you need that many?
> I've used six and thought that was way over the top for most users.
> Just curious.

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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Fri Sep 10 11:43:48 2004
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (DWUTKA at marlow.com)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 11:43:48 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Fw: Tab limits for tab controls
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8031BB361@main2.marlow.com>

Yep, you take my techno babble, and turn it into something people can
actually understand.

Oh the story's I could tell about our co-writing adventures! <grin>

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 9:30 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Fw: Tab limits for tab controls


Drew's the technique artist -- I just write this stuff up. :)

Re: The tabs -- a form with 877 tabs is a mess, and I've noticed that the
form does NOT display them in order -- which is odd. I tried it with 255,
which I originally assumed was the real limit (and may actually be), and
it's the same mess and weird arrangement.

I'm wondering if Access will let me add pages to the collection even though
the control itself can't support them? Would it do that?

Susan H.


> Thanks Susan,
> It gave me a headache thinking about the concept!
> BTW - good job on the lead article of the October Issue of Inside Access.
> You and Drew did a great job.
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
> Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 8:51 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Fw: Tab limits for tab controls
>
>
> I don't need that many -- but I'm writing about them and that's just part
of
> the information -- I need to tell them how many tabs are allowed --  just
> part of a comprehensive look at the control. Don't worry, I'm also telling
> the gentle reader to NOT use them all. ;)
>
> Susan H.
>
>
> > Susan,
> > I've got to ask.
> > Why would you need that many?
> > I've used six and thought that was way over the top for most users.
> > Just curious.
>
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From ssharkins at bellsouth.net  Fri Sep 10 11:00:39 2004
From: ssharkins at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 12:00:39 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Fw: Tab limits for tab controls
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312A4D@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <008a01c4974f$fa482860$9865fea9@BILLONE>

Charlotte, I'm only adding pages -- I'm not setting any properties. But, I
assumed the tabs would be in order -- Page1, Page2, Page3, and while they
mostly are -- I don't understand the resulting order.

Page1, Page2, and so on, until about Page10 are at the top of the page --
after that I have 877, 876, 875, and so on... going backward.

Susan H.


> Are you setting the indexes of the tabs and not seeing them in that
> order?  I think one of our forms with 12 tabs in two rows is a mess, but
> then I didn't create it. ;-}
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Susan Harkins [mailto:ssharkins at bellsouth.net]
> Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 7:30 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Fw: Tab limits for tab controls
>
>
> Drew's the technique artist -- I just write this stuff up. :)
>
> Re: The tabs -- a form with 877 tabs is a mess, and I've noticed that
> the form does NOT display them in order -- which is odd. I tried it with
> 255, which I originally assumed was the real limit (and may actually
> be), and it's the same mess and weird arrangement.
>
> I'm wondering if Access will let me add pages to the collection even
> though the control itself can't support them? Would it do that?
>
> Susan H.
>
>
> > Thanks Susan,
> > It gave me a headache thinking about the concept!
> > BTW - good job on the lead article of the October Issue of Inside
> > Access. You and Drew did a great job. Jim
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Susan
> > Harkins
> > Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 8:51 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Fw: Tab limits for tab controls
> >
> >
> > I don't need that many -- but I'm writing about them and that's just
> > part
> of
> > the information -- I need to tell them how many tabs are allowed --
> > just part of a comprehensive look at the control. Don't worry, I'm
> > also telling the gentle reader to NOT use them all. ;)
> >
> > Susan H.
> >
> >
> > > Susan,
> > > I've got to ask.
> > > Why would you need that many?
> > > I've used six and thought that was way over the top for most users.
> > > Just curious.
> >
> > --
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>
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From ssharkins at bellsouth.net  Fri Sep 10 12:06:10 2004
From: ssharkins at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 13:06:10 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Fw: Tab limits for tab controls
References: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8031BB361@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <00c801c49758$83cec960$9865fea9@BILLONE>

Drew! You promised not to tell!!!!!!!!! ;) 

Susan H. 
> Yep, you take my techno babble, and turn it into something people can
> actually understand.
> 
> Oh the story's I could tell about our co-writing adventures! <grin>



From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Fri Sep 10 12:36:10 2004
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (DWUTKA at marlow.com)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 12:36:10 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Fw: Tab limits for tab controls
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8031BB363@main2.marlow.com>

I said the story's I COULD tell.  Your secrets are safe with me.....for
now....<evil grin>

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 12:06 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Fw: Tab limits for tab controls


Drew! You promised not to tell!!!!!!!!! ;) 

Susan H. 
> Yep, you take my techno babble, and turn it into something people can
> actually understand.
> 
> Oh the story's I could tell about our co-writing adventures! <grin>

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From clh at christopherhawkins.com  Fri Sep 10 13:38:49 2004
From: clh at christopherhawkins.com (Christopher Hawkins)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 12:38:49 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Syntax:  Iterate through selected rows in a datasheet?
Message-ID: <288450-22004951018384915@christopherhawkins.com>

Given the following:

1) Parent form named frmMain.
2) frmMain has a Subform control named sFrm.
3) sFrm.SourceObject = frmSub
4) frmSub is a datasheet.
5) frmMain has a button cmdClickMe.

Assume that frmSub presents 10 rows and the user has selected
(highlighted) 5 of them.

In the OnClick event of cmdClickMe, what would the syntax be to
iterate through only the selected rows on frmSub?

I've Googled, but nothing.

Respectfully,

Christopher Hawkins
Software Developer
(559) 687-7591
http://www.christopherhawkins.com




From fhtapia at gmail.com  Fri Sep 10 14:03:46 2004
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 12:03:46 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] open a form at cordinates x, y
Message-ID: <b874372a04091012032a83ef0b@mail.gmail.com>

I'd like to be able to be sure that my forms are opening up within
cordinates (x,y) off the top left side of the MDI window and hopefully
the application itself is at cords(x,y), I remember seeing someone
post code that would allow a recently opend window to be opened up at
the specified locations... am I making sense?

Thanks
-- 
-Francisco


From cyx5 at cdc.gov  Fri Sep 10 14:18:49 2004
From: cyx5 at cdc.gov (Nicholson, Karen)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 15:18:49 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Section is a Reserved Word? How to refer to a Field of
	That Name
Message-ID: <A5B5AA20555F594BA7B6BD2048E49E4384B415@m-niosh-5.niosh.cdc.gov>

This code works and compiles just fine:

        If ([Forms]![frmASRSSectInit].[RequestType] <> "site audit" _
        And [Forms]![frmASRSSectInit].[Status] = "Open" _
        And [Forms]![frmASRSSectInit].[ysnCBRNTest] = 0 _
        And Not IsNull([Forms]![frmASRSSectInit].[ASSectCompletedDate]))
_
        And IsNull([Forms]![frmASRSSectInit].[CBRN_FinalTestReport]) _
        Then
        [Forms]![frmASRSSectInit].[ysnCBRNTest] = -1
        End If

However, there is a numeric field in my table and on my form named:
Section.  It must be a reserved word, because when I change the code to
specify that the section should equal 2, I get a compile error, argument
not optional.  Yikes!  A Friday headache is upon me.  What ever can I do
to get around this?  I can't change the field name as it is an SQL
backend and the damn would break.

        If ([Forms]![frmASRSSectInit].[RequestType] <> "site audit" _
        And [Forms]![frmASRSSectInit].[Status] = "Open" _
        And [Forms]![frmASRSSectInit].[ysnCBRNTest] = 0 _
        And [Forms]![frmASRSSectInit].[Section] = 1 _
        And Not IsNull([Forms]![frmASRSSectInit].[ASSectCompletedDate]))
_
        And IsNull([Forms]![frmASRSSectInit].[CBRN_FinalTestReport]) _
        Then
        [Forms]![frmASRSSectInit].[ysnCBRNTest] = -1
        End If

Karen Nicholson
National Laboratory
Xerox Global Services




From cyx5 at cdc.gov  Fri Sep 10 14:26:26 2004
From: cyx5 at cdc.gov (Nicholson, Karen)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 15:26:26 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Section is a Reserved Word? How to refer to a Field
	ofThat Name
Message-ID: <A5B5AA20555F594BA7B6BD2048E49E43840694@m-niosh-5.niosh.cdc.gov>

I got it; I changed the name of the text field on the form and it works
now.  Jeeze, I never thought of section being a reserved word.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Nicholson,
Karen
Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 3:19 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Section is a Reserved Word? How to refer to a Field
ofThat Name


This code works and compiles just fine:

        If ([Forms]![frmASRSSectInit].[RequestType] <> "site audit" _
        And [Forms]![frmASRSSectInit].[Status] = "Open" _
        And [Forms]![frmASRSSectInit].[ysnCBRNTest] = 0 _
        And Not IsNull([Forms]![frmASRSSectInit].[ASSectCompletedDate]))
_
        And IsNull([Forms]![frmASRSSectInit].[CBRN_FinalTestReport]) _
        Then
        [Forms]![frmASRSSectInit].[ysnCBRNTest] = -1
        End If

However, there is a numeric field in my table and on my form named:
Section.  It must be a reserved word, because when I change the code to
specify that the section should equal 2, I get a compile error, argument
not optional.  Yikes!  A Friday headache is upon me.  What ever can I do
to get around this?  I can't change the field name as it is an SQL
backend and the damn would break.

        If ([Forms]![frmASRSSectInit].[RequestType] <> "site audit" _
        And [Forms]![frmASRSSectInit].[Status] = "Open" _
        And [Forms]![frmASRSSectInit].[ysnCBRNTest] = 0 _
        And [Forms]![frmASRSSectInit].[Section] = 1 _
        And Not IsNull([Forms]![frmASRSSectInit].[ASSectCompletedDate]))
_
        And IsNull([Forms]![frmASRSSectInit].[CBRN_FinalTestReport]) _
        Then
        [Forms]![frmASRSSectInit].[ysnCBRNTest] = -1
        End If

Karen Nicholson
National Laboratory
Xerox Global Services


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From serbach at new.rr.com  Fri Sep 10 14:34:10 2004
From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 14:34:10 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] AHOO!!!  Got my action pack
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312A48@infoserver01.infostat.local>
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312A48@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <20040910143410.852702389.serbach@new.rr.com>

Charlotte,

>> Right now, we're working with Office XP Developer and SQL 2000 under our original licenses, but we're also working with VisualStudio.Net, WindowsServer2003, IIS, Visio, ASP.Net, etc. ?We saved a bunch of money on the Visual Studio and Visio Enterprise licenses alone. ?Our existing products are in A97 and AXP and SQL 2000 but we're working on .Net versions and web-based versions for future release. <<

I've never done anything with ASP, so I figured I'd just skip it and jump right to ASP.NET for the project I'm working on now. You're so right about the money saved on VS et al.

Good luck with your projects.

Steve




From carbonnb at gmail.com  Fri Sep 10 14:48:42 2004
From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 15:48:42 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] DLL question (was Broadcast a message)
In-Reply-To: <20040910122518.9AE20252466@smtp.nildram.co.uk>
References: <20040910122518.9AE20252466@smtp.nildram.co.uk>
Message-ID: <e04a6c9204091012487d927dcf@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, 10 Sep 2004 13:25:21 +0100, Andy Lacey
<andy at minstersystems.co.uk> wrote:
> Thanks again Gustav. You're a star. I'll download this and give it a try
> when I have a moment to breath.

OK, so I'm a bit late to this party, but if you want to figure out the
APIs, you can download a sample VB app that shows how to send a
message from
http://developer.novell.com/support/sample/tids/vbbrdcst/vbbrdcst.htm

You can also get the "full" API declarations from the VB samples page
at http://developer.novell.com/support/sample/areas/vbs.htm

It's in the "Brainshare '98 Nice T111 - Programming to the Client API
with Visual Basic" download.

-- 
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Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well
preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
shouting "What a great ride!"


From Drawbridge.Jack at ic.gc.ca  Fri Sep 10 14:58:12 2004
From: Drawbridge.Jack at ic.gc.ca (Drawbridge.Jack at ic.gc.ca)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 15:58:12 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Table description
Message-ID: <0F3AFAE449DD4A40BED8B6C4A97ABF5B15B348@MSG-MB3.icent.ic.gc.ca>

Barbara,

Here's some code that will assist, hopefully. 
I got some code from AccessD (Bill Mitchell) a few years ago.
Just passing some back.

Sub testDesc()
Dim y As Long
Dim db As Database
Dim tdf As TableDef
Set db = CurrentDb()

 For y = 0 To db.TableDefs.Count - 1
        Set tdf = db.TableDefs(y)
              For z = 0 To tdf.Properties.Count - 1
                If tdf.Properties(z).Name = "Description" Then 
                Debug.Print tdf.Properties(z)
              Next z
 Next y
End Sub


jack
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Barbara Ryan
Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 10:31 AM
To: Access List
Subject: [AccessD] Table description


I am trying to find the description of a table (Access 97) using code.  I
tried the following (which doesn't work):

For intI = 0 To db.TableDefs.Count - 1
   Set MyDef = db.TableDefs(intI)
   Debug.Print MyDef.Properties("Description").Value
Next intI

Any ideas?

Thanks,
Barb Ryan
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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Fri Sep 10 15:53:04 2004
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 21:53:04 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] DLL question (was Broadcast a message)
In-Reply-To: <e04a6c9204091012487d927dcf@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <006b01c49778$2b7ba650$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25>

Thanks Bryan. All contributions gladly accepted.

-- Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Bryan Carbonnell
> Sent: 10 September 2004 20:49
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] DLL question (was Broadcast a message)
> 
> 
> On Fri, 10 Sep 2004 13:25:21 +0100, Andy Lacey 
> <andy at minstersystems.co.uk> wrote:
> > Thanks again Gustav. You're a star. I'll download this and 
> give it a 
> > try when I have a moment to breath.
> 
> OK, so I'm a bit late to this party, but if you want to 
> figure out the APIs, you can download a sample VB app that 
> shows how to send a message from 
> http://developer.novell.com/support/sample/tid> s/vbbrdcst/vbbrdcst.htm
> 
> You can also get the "full" API declarations from the VB 
> samples page at 
> http://developer.novell.com/support/sample/are> as/vbs.htm
> 
> 
> It's in the "Brainshare '98 Nice T111 - 
> Programming to the Client API with Visual Basic" download.
> 
> -- 
> Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com
> Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well 
> preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn 
> out, shouting "What a great ride!"
> -- 
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> http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 
> 



From BarbaraRyan at cox.net  Fri Sep 10 16:16:51 2004
From: BarbaraRyan at cox.net (Barbara Ryan)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 17:16:51 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Table description
References: <0F3AFAE449DD4A40BED8B6C4A97ABF5B15B348@MSG-MB3.icent.ic.gc.ca>
Message-ID: <002c01c4977b$7e08e420$0a00a8c0@cx470148a>

Thanks, Jack....that worked!.................Barb



----- Original Message ----- 
From: <Drawbridge.Jack at ic.gc.ca>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 3:58 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Table description


> Barbara,
> 
> Here's some code that will assist, hopefully. 
> I got some code from AccessD (Bill Mitchell) a few years ago.
> Just passing some back.
> 
> Sub testDesc()
> Dim y As Long
> Dim db As Database
> Dim tdf As TableDef
> Set db = CurrentDb()
> 
>  For y = 0 To db.TableDefs.Count - 1
>         Set tdf = db.TableDefs(y)
>               For z = 0 To tdf.Properties.Count - 1
>                 If tdf.Properties(z).Name = "Description" Then 
>                 Debug.Print tdf.Properties(z)
>               Next z
>  Next y
> End Sub
> 
> 
> jack
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Barbara Ryan
> Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 10:31 AM
> To: Access List
> Subject: [AccessD] Table description
> 
> 
> I am trying to find the description of a table (Access 97) using code.  I
> tried the following (which doesn't work):
> 
> For intI = 0 To db.TableDefs.Count - 1
>    Set MyDef = db.TableDefs(intI)
>    Debug.Print MyDef.Properties("Description").Value
> Next intI
> 
> Any ideas?
> 
> Thanks,
> Barb Ryan
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From ssharkins at bellsouth.net  Fri Sep 10 16:22:49 2004
From: ssharkins at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 17:22:49 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Fw: Tab limits for tab controls
References: <004401c49735$b533aca0$9865fea9@BILLONE><14524644046.20040910151444@cactus.dk><003201c4973d$a96d5350$9865fea9@BILLONE><15031074232.20040910170154@cactus.dk><006001c4974c$b155b7b0$9865fea9@BILLONE>
	<13634454643.20040910175815@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <015a01c4977e$70e90790$9865fea9@BILLONE>

>
> It's Friday Susan!!

=======Well, that explains a lot. ;)
>
> Are you settled after the move or are you sitting typing on top of
> some boxes still waiting to be unpacked (the boxes, not you)?

=======Everything's in storage and we're staying with relatives. It will be
a while before we're finally settled. It's a mess.

Susan H.



From ssharkins at bellsouth.net  Fri Sep 10 16:42:55 2004
From: ssharkins at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 17:42:55 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Express version numbers 
References: <009e01c49751$3ba01ab0$9865fea9@BILLONE>
Message-ID: <016801c4977f$24ea9290$9865fea9@BILLONE>

FWIW, also ran SELECT @@version and got 9 -- so I guess it uses the same
version numbers as SQL Server. I'm not sure whether I find that odd or not.
If anyone knows any different, please let me know. I half expected to see
1.0, 2.0 for the MSDN versions and then something akin to 3.0 for Express.

Thanks!
Susan H.


sp_dbcmptlevel [[@dbname=] 'database_name']

 [,[@new_cmptlevel=] version]



If you run this in SQL Server Express using an invalid version number, the
error message lists the SQL Server version numbers. It does make sense, if I
force it to. ;)



I also considered that the error message might just be wrong.



Does anyone know if this is supposed to use SQL Server version numbers
instead of Express/MSDN version numbers?
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From deanellis at iprimus.com.au  Fri Sep 10 17:30:22 2004
From: deanellis at iprimus.com.au (Dean Ellis)
Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 08:00:22 +0930
Subject: [AccessD] open a form at cordinates x, y
In-Reply-To: <b874372a04091012032a83ef0b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <NHBBJMFJGLBLEAIIABJMMELGCDAA.deanellis@iprimus.com.au>

Try placing Docmd.Movesize into your forms on open property. This allows you
to place the form x distance from the left, Y form the top as will as
stipulating width and height.

Cheers

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Francisco
Tapia
Sent: Saturday, 11 September 2004 4:34 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] open a form at cordinates x, y


I'd like to be able to be sure that my forms are opening up within
cordinates (x,y) off the top left side of the MDI window and hopefully
the application itself is at cords(x,y), I remember seeing someone
post code that would allow a recently opend window to be opened up at
the specified locations... am I making sense?

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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Fri Sep 10 17:37:26 2004
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 08:37:26 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Bid announcement
In-Reply-To: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJKEFMHJAA.john@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <4142B946.10501.81D1D55@lexacorp.com.pg>

On 10 Sep 2004 at 8:51, John Bartow wrote:

> Here is a rather odd sounding bid request I received from the state this
> morning:
> 
> Bid Title: Furnish E-Scrap removal, processing and disposal services
> 
> 
> I worked late the last couple of nights so I may be a bit confuso en la
> cabeza but does anyone know what this means?
> 
>

Disposal/recycling (so called eCycling)  of unwanted electronic equipment 
(e-scrap) is a major growth industry worldwide.







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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Fri Sep 10 17:43:52 2004
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 08:43:52 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] emailing a newsletter
In-Reply-To: <200409101430.i8AEUIMw016991@ms-smtp-02.nyroc.rr.com>
References: <100F91B31300334B89EC531C9DCB0865065938@tccexch01.tappeconstruction.net>
Message-ID: <4142BAC8.20539.8230386@lexacorp.com.pg>

On 10 Sep 2004 at 10:30, augusta wrote:

> I have a client who has about 700 email addresses within an Access database
> to whom she would like to send a newsletter.
> 
> Can anyone suggest a good way of going about this, other than
> query/copy/paste in to outlook? 

I generally use Blat (either the exe or dll version) for this sort of 
thing.  http://www.geocities.com/toby_korn/blat/

> Also, for some reason when she does it this
> way, she can only use about 50 address.
> 

Many ISPs set up there SMTP servers to only accept 50 or so to addresses in 
a single message as an anti-spam measure.

Using Blat, you can easily send out one message to each address rather than 
bundling them so the limit doesn;t matter.




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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Fri Sep 10 17:53:17 2004
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 08:53:17 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Fw: Tab limits for tab controls
In-Reply-To: <003401c4973d$b96af410$9865fea9@BILLONE>
Message-ID: <4142BCFD.25092.82BA2BD@lexacorp.com.pg>

On 10 Sep 2004 at 9:50, Susan Harkins wrote:

> I don't need that many -- but I'm writing about them and that's just part of
> the information -- I need to tell them how many tabs are allowed --  just
> part of a comprehensive look at the control. Don't worry, I'm also telling
> the gentle reader to NOT use them all. ;)
> 

I hope you are also covering the material in, or pointing the gentle reader 
to the Interface Hall of Shame section on tab controls:

http://digilander.libero.it/chiediloapippo/Engineering/iarchitect/tabs.htm

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From ssharkins at bellsouth.net  Fri Sep 10 18:42:35 2004
From: ssharkins at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 19:42:35 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Fw: Tab limits for tab controls
References: <4142BCFD.25092.82BA2BD@lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <004001c4978f$dcdd88c0$9865fea9@BILLONE>

Well, no... it's just an introductory look at the control itself -- the
basics. :) I told them not to use too many tabs and to not stuff each page
full, but other than that, it's all tutorial/technical stuff -- not best
practices per se. And publishers generally don't like to direct their
readers to the competition. :) But, it's a good piece, although I have to
admit -- I never thought I had to click OK just because the Ok button was on
the page.

Susan H.
>
> I hope you are also covering the material in, or pointing the gentle
reader
> to the Interface Hall of Shame section on tab controls:
>
> http://digilander.libero.it/chiediloapippo/Engineering/iarchitect/tabs.htm



From fhtapia at gmail.com  Fri Sep 10 18:47:23 2004
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 16:47:23 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] open a form at cordinates x, y
In-Reply-To: <NHBBJMFJGLBLEAIIABJMMELGCDAA.deanellis@iprimus.com.au>
References: <b874372a04091012032a83ef0b@mail.gmail.com>
	<NHBBJMFJGLBLEAIIABJMMELGCDAA.deanellis@iprimus.com.au>
Message-ID: <b874372a04091016476dfe416f@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks :D


On Sat, 11 Sep 2004 08:00:22 +0930, Dean Ellis <deanellis at iprimus.com.au> wrote:
> Try placing Docmd.Movesize into your forms on open property. This allows you
> to place the form x distance from the left, Y form the top as will as
> stipulating width and height.
> 
> Cheers
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Francisco
> Tapia
> Sent: Saturday, 11 September 2004 4:34 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] open a form at cordinates x, y
> 
> I'd like to be able to be sure that my forms are opening up within
> cordinates (x,y) off the top left side of the MDI window and hopefully
> the application itself is at cords(x,y), I remember seeing someone
> post code that would allow a recently opend window to be opened up at
> the specified locations... am I making sense?
> 
> Thanks
> --
> -Francisco
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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Fri Sep 10 18:49:18 2004
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 16:49:18 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] emailing a newsletter
References: <100F91B31300334B89EC531C9DCB0865065938@tccexch01.tappeconstruction.net>
	<4142BAC8.20539.8230386@lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <41423D7E.9080906@shaw.ca>

Newer versions of McAfee squawk in protest if you send out more than 5 
Emails in 5 seconds
It is changeable under Advanced WormStopper selections.

Stuart McLachlan wrote:

>On 10 Sep 2004 at 10:30, augusta wrote:
>
>  
>
>>I have a client who has about 700 email addresses within an Access database
>>to whom she would like to send a newsletter.
>>
>>Can anyone suggest a good way of going about this, other than
>>query/copy/paste in to outlook? 
>>    
>>
>
>I generally use Blat (either the exe or dll version) for this sort of 
>thing.  http://www.geocities.com/toby_korn/blat/
>
>  
>
>>Also, for some reason when she does it this
>>way, she can only use about 50 address.
>>
>>    
>>
>
>Many ISPs set up there SMTP servers to only accept 50 or so to addresses in 
>a single message as an anti-spam measure.
>
>Using Blat, you can easily send out one message to each address rather than 
>bundling them so the limit doesn;t matter.
>
>
>
>
>  
>

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Sep 10 19:36:25 2004
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 20:36:25 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Bid announcement
In-Reply-To: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJMEGFHJAA.john@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <000601c49797$6160db90$e8dafea9@ColbyM6805>

Yea, I read a big article on how the (mainland) Chinese are importing these
old computers for recycling, mostly the gold.  They have few if any real
pollution laws so they are creating huge toxic waste dumps when they dump
the unrecycled materials.  There are LOTS of very nasty stuff in a computer.
The West is essentially using them as a legal dumping ground.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 11:45 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Bid announcement


I recently read an old National Geographic (mid-1990s) article about Taiwan.
It showed heaps of old computer parts with laborers digging through it and
separating it by hand for processing. It stated it was mostly shipped in
from the U.S.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
Beach Access Software
Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 10:26 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Bid announcement


It's probably recycling old computers, monitors and other electronics with
toxics in them.  Big deal now.  Turns out old computers are loaded with bad
stuff.  Here about twice a year you can bring all your stuff to the stadium
for recycling.  I think HP sponsors it. I understand it's going over to
China where they extract the gold and other stuff.

Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
http://www.e-z-mrp.com


----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Waters" <dwaters at usinternet.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 7:55 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Bid announcement


> Maybe they want some code to help them sort the recyclables!
>
> Dan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
> Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 8:52 AM
> To: _DBA-Access
> Subject: [AccessD] Bid announcement
>
> Here is a rather odd sounding bid request I received from the state 
> this
> morning:
>
> Bid Title: Furnish E-Scrap removal, processing and disposal services
>
>
> I worked late the last couple of nights so I may be a bit confuso en 
> la cabeza but does anyone know what this means?
>
>
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From john at winhaven.net  Fri Sep 10 23:27:28 2004
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 23:27:28 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Bid announcement
In-Reply-To: <000601c49797$6160db90$e8dafea9@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIIEEEFOAA.john@winhaven.net>

They dump cheap crap on us via WalMart and we return the favor, eh?
:o)

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 7:36 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Bid announcement


Yea, I read a big article on how the (mainland) Chinese are importing these
old computers for recycling, mostly the gold.  They have few if any real
pollution laws so they are creating huge toxic waste dumps when they dump
the unrecycled materials.  There are LOTS of very nasty stuff in a computer.
The West is essentially using them as a legal dumping ground.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 11:45 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Bid announcement


I recently read an old National Geographic (mid-1990s) article about Taiwan.
It showed heaps of old computer parts with laborers digging through it and
separating it by hand for processing. It stated it was mostly shipped in
from the U.S.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
Beach Access Software
Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 10:26 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Bid announcement


It's probably recycling old computers, monitors and other electronics with
toxics in them.  Big deal now.  Turns out old computers are loaded with bad
stuff.  Here about twice a year you can bring all your stuff to the stadium
for recycling.  I think HP sponsors it. I understand it's going over to
China where they extract the gold and other stuff.

Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
http://www.e-z-mrp.com


----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Waters" <dwaters at usinternet.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 7:55 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Bid announcement


> Maybe they want some code to help them sort the recyclables!
>
> Dan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
> Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 8:52 AM
> To: _DBA-Access
> Subject: [AccessD] Bid announcement
>
> Here is a rather odd sounding bid request I received from the state
> this
> morning:
>
> Bid Title: Furnish E-Scrap removal, processing and disposal services
>
>
> I worked late the last couple of nights so I may be a bit confuso en
> la cabeza but does anyone know what this means?
>
>
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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Fri Sep 10 22:28:49 2004
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 20:28:49 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Parts and assemblies design
References: <000601c493a6$77855ee0$de1811d8@danwaters>
Message-ID: <414270F1.9030906@shaw.ca>

Yeah I kinda of figured that, it sounds like what happens with SOX 
compliance. But the NSA or one of it's alphabet cousins from its orange 
book certifies the certificate servers like RSA's probably at the B1 
level, I know SQL Server 2000 was certified at the lower C2 level.
There is a new certification system standard, used worldwide, called 
Common Criteria. EAL4 is one of the levels equivalent to C2.

It is easier to do some of this encryption in .Net as the classes are 
exposed by the WSE extension, which is more for web services
and Soap. These classes allow you to easily get at the 509 certificate 
stores.

Here is another package that allows access to various encryption methods 
such as Windows Crypto API and X 509
for VB and VBA. One of the complications addressed can be handling 
integer calculation beyond 32 bits.
Developer version is $159, not sure if that is Australian or US
http://www.di-mgt.com.au/crypto.html#howto

One of the problems they address is encryption of DBCS and Unicode for 
International character sets
which Rocky might run into
http://www.di-mgt.com.au/cryptoInternational.html

If you want to see what Soap X 509 encryption for an xml message, it 
looks like this
Most of which is boilerplate.

<?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-8"?>
<soap:Envelope xmlns:soap="http://schemas.xmlsoap.org/soap/envelope/"
xmlns:xsi="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema-instance"
xmlns:xsd="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema">
<soap:Header>
<wsu:Timestamp
xmlns:wsu="http://schemas.xmlsoap.org/ws/2002/07/utility">
<wsu:Created>2003-02-11T01:34:01Z</wsu:Created>
<wsu:Expires>2003-02-11T01:39:01Z</wsu:Expires>
</wsu:Timestamp>
<wsse:Security soap:mustUnderstand="1"
xmlns:wsse="http://schemas.xmlsoap.org/ws/2002/07/secext">
<xenc:EncryptedKey
Type="http://www.w3.org/2001/04/xmlenc#EncryptedKey"
xmlns:xenc="http://www.w3.org/2001/04/xmlenc#">
<xenc:EncryptionMethod
Algorithm="http://www.w3.org/2001/04/xmlenc#rsa-1_5" />
<KeyInfo xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/09/xmldsig#">
<wsse:SecurityTokenReference>
<wsse:KeyIdentifier ValueType="wsse:X509v3">
YmlKVwXYD8vuGuYliuIYdEAQQPw=
</wsse:KeyIdentifier>
</wsse:SecurityTokenReference>
</KeyInfo>
<xenc:CipherData>
<xenc:CipherValue>UJ64Addf3Fd59XsaQ=??&</xenc:CipherValue>
</xenc:CipherData>
<xenc:ReferenceList>
<xenc:DataReference URI=
"#EncryptedContent-608eef8b-4104-4469-95b6-7cb4703cfa03" />
</xenc:ReferenceList>
</xenc:EncryptedKey>
</wsse:Security>
</soap:Header>
<soap:Body xmlns:wsu="http://schemas.xmlsoap.org/ws/2002/07/utility"
wsu:Id="Id-70179c5b-4975-4932-9ecd-a58feb34b0d3">
<xenc:EncryptedData
Id="EncryptedContent-608eef8b-4104-4469-95b6-7cb4703cfa03"
Type="http://www.w3.org/2001/04/xmlenc#Content"
xmlns:xenc="http://www.w3.org/2001/04/xmlenc#">
<xenc:EncryptionMethod
Algorithm="http://www.w3.org/2001/04/xmlenc#tripledes-cbc" />
<xenc:CipherData>
<xenc:CipherValue>
4o1b4befwBJu6tzuaygfrAaX0UGtaYKcw2klIbuZPjLi...z8i2ypHN4+w==
</xenc:CipherValue>
</xenc:CipherData>
</xenc:EncryptedData>
</soap:Body>
</soap:Envelope>

Dan Waters wrote:

>Marty,
>
>I've talked with the FDA and it turns out that they themselves do not
>certify anything related to electronic signatures or records.  The FDA does
>certify an individual company's usage of such software or hardware.  
>
>This means that if a company like Alphatrust says that they have been
>certified by the FDA, they really mean that they have a customer who has
>been certified by the FDA.  
>
>The FDA takes this position because what is good for one company may not be
>good for another, and the FDA cannot apply a 'blanket' approval for any
>particular mechanism.  They also don't want to be in the position of
>limiting progress in the development of such mechanisms by certifying
>something, which then becomes the 'only way to go'.
>
>So - software developers like us need to work with our customer's Regulatory
>Managers to find out what the company's requirements actually are.  They
>will get more difficult as the medical device becomes more complicated or
>more important to saving lives or maintaining health.  
>
>Dan Waters
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
>Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 5:46 PM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Parts and assemblies design
>
>This may give you an idea what is involved, It is essentially an 
>envelope around the document
>with a seal that says it hasn't been modified after signing.
>
>If you are looking for signatures either digital or digitized (mouse or 
>stylus) that are FDA approved
>try things like Pronto from Alphatrust
>http://www.alphatrust.com/products/pronto/desktop.asp
>Their other products require IE access to a certificate server at around 
>$250 a month.
>Getting your own hardware certificate server certified by FDA may start 
>to cost you in $10,000 range.
>
>
>Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Dan:
>>
>>I have no shame.
>>
>>But I also have no electronic signature feature in the system.
>>
>>The system evolved when I first released it (1985) based on what the
>>customers wanted.  So I suppose the first customer who needs electronic
>>signatures will get it.  But I have no earthly idea how they work. Yet.
>>
>>Rocky
>>
>>----- Original Message ----- 
>>From: "Dan Waters" <dwaters at usinternet.com>
>>To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
>><accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>>Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 12:38 PM
>>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Parts and assemblies design
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>    
>>
>>>Hi Rocky!
>>>
>>>Yes that was shameless.  But good!
>>>
>>>I was wondering if you address electronic signatures, and if so, what's
>>>   
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>your
>> 
>>
>>    
>>
>>>approach?
>>>
>>>Thanks,
>>>Dan Waters
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
>>>Beach Access Software
>>>Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 2:18 PM
>>>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>>Cc: Tom Hintz
>>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Parts and assemblies design
>>>
>>>Eric:
>>>
>>>Shameless plug for my manufacturing system.  You can check it out at
>>>www.ezmrp.com
>>>
>>>It will do the structured bills of material that they need.
>>>
>>>I just added a Capacity Requirements Planning module to the system which
>>>does not yet show on the web site however.  In the CRP module you define
>>>work centers and then add routings for each assembly - queue time, set up
>>>time and unit run time for each operation.  Although it's not part of
>>>   
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>their
>> 
>>
>>    
>>
>>>immediate requirement, as a bonus, the CRP Calculate program will
>>>   
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>calculate
>> 
>>
>>    
>>
>>>how much of each work center's capacity is being used every day.
>>>
>>>Once they have that database built, since EZMRP is written in Access, and
>>>since the back end is wide open, you could easily write a report in their
>>>custom format, although E-Z-MRP does have a traveler report which shows
>>>   
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>the
>> 
>>
>>    
>>
>>>start date for each operation based on a specific work order, that work
>>>order's due date, and the assembly's lead time and, actually, the report
>>>   
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>you
>> 
>>
>>    
>>
>>>model there looks mostly like an indented bill of materials, which, of
>>>course, E-Z-MRP does.
>>>
>>>Starting with E-Z-MRP's framework might save you a LOT of development
>>>   
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>time.
>> 
>>
>>    
>>
>>>(BTW, the audit trail that it produces on each inventory transaction, to
>>>which you can attach a serial or lot number, also goes along way towards
>>>satisfying FDA requirements.)
>>>
>>>If you're interested after checking the web site, please contact me
>>>   
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>off-line
>> 
>>
>>    
>>
>>>at bchacc at san.rr.com and I'll give you a system to evaluate.  Or call if
>>>   
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>you
>> 
>>
>>    
>>
>>>want to talk about it - 858-259-4334.
>>>
>>>HTH
>>>
>>>Rocky Smolin
>>>Beach Access Software
>>>http://www.e-z-mrp.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>----- Original Message ----- 
>>>From: "Eric Goetz" <EricGoetz at egisystems.com>
>>>To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
>>>Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 11:32 AM
>>>Subject: [AccessD] Parts and assemblies design
>>>
>>>
>>>Hi,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>I am working on a database to replace some paper forms. I get the
>>>feeling I'm starting more "from scratch" than I need to. So I thought
>>>I'd ask if anyone knows of any examples of solutions for the following
>>>problem.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>A medical device manufacturer needs to track all the actions performed
>>>on each device as it moves through manufacturing to meet FDA
>>>requirements. The forms are called "travelers." The first traveler gets
>>>created when the device is built. A new traveler gets created every time
>>>the device returns from the field (for upgrade or repair.)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>The forms show each part with its revision, part number, lot number, or
>>>other attribute. There are different attributes for different types of
>>>parts. Such as, software has a checksum, and a revision number while a
>>>relay has does not. Instead, a relay has a lot number.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Here are a couple of my challenges:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>I am modeling parts and assemblies, where an assembly is also a part. As
>>>the devices come back from the field, they may get upgraded with
>>>different parts and assemblies so the hierarchy is flexible. There seems
>>>to be a many to many relationship between parts and assemblies. So, I
>>>made a basic parts table:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Part { ID, PartNumber, Name } where ID is the primary key
>>>
>>>Sample data:
>>>
>>>{ 1, 26.026, Enclosure }
>>>
>>>{ 57, 26.002, PCA }
>>>
>>>{ 113, 26.100, ECA }
>>>
>>>{ 114, 26.098, Xfrm }
>>>
>>>{ 115, 26.022, Xfrm }
>>>
>>>{ 116, 26.021, Xfrm }
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>And I made another table to hold the many to many assignments between
>>>parts and assemblies.
>>>
>>>AssyPartAssignment { ID, AssyID, PartID, Name } where ID is the primary
>>>key and AssyID and PartID are foreign keys for the ID in the Part table.
>>>
>>>Sample data:
>>>
>>>{ 1, 113, 57, Controller PCA }
>>>
>>>{ 2, 113, 1, ECA Enclosure }
>>>
>>>{ 3, 57, 114, Xfrm T1 }
>>>
>>>{ 4, 57, 115, Xfrm T2 }
>>>
>>>{ 5, 57, 116, Xfrm T3 }
>>>
>>>{ 6, 57, 115, Xfrm T4 }
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>The report needs to show this hierarchy.
>>>
>>>26.100 - ECA
>>>
>>> 26.026 - ECA Enclosure
>>>
>>>   26.002 - Controller PCA
>>>
>>>     26.098 - Xfrm T1
>>>
>>>     26.022 - Xfrm T2
>>>
>>>     26.021 - Xfrm T3
>>>
>>>     26.022 - Xfrm T4
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>The same transformer, 26.022 shows up twice in the PCA assembly.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>I'll build more tables for the different attributes of parts, such as,
>>>software with its checksum, and parts that have only lots, and parts
>>>that have revisions and lots. I'll use the ID key from the Part table as
>>>the primary key for the subtype tables based on the entity relationship
>>>chapter from the CJDate book.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>I need to make the forms to enter these variable hierarchies.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Got any suggestions that might put a little more holiday in my Labor
>>>Day?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Thanks,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Eric
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>   
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>> 
>>
>>    
>>
>
>  
>

-- 
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada





From serbach at new.rr.com  Sat Sep 11 07:47:55 2004
From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach)
Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 07:47:55 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] AHOO!!!  Got my action pack
In-Reply-To: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIAEDAFOAA.john@winhaven.net>
References: <20040910085237.629179895.serbach@new.rr.com>
	<LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIAEDAFOAA.john@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <20040911074755.447047747.serbach@new.rr.com>

John,

>> With the Universal MSDN you have the license for life not the subscription period. I wasn't going to re-subscribe last year due to the price but when Jim passed on the lower prices he had been getting I went ahead and re-subbed. I have no idea as to if this holds true for empower as I missed that great deal. <<

Isn't it true, though, that with the regular Univeral subscription that you're not on the hook for the extra requirements MS insists on? That is, announce and release a commercial product using MS technologies within two years of signing up; and acquiring one of the MS certifications? I've got a bunch of stuff already for the MCDBA, but where's the time coming from to get certified, eh?

Steve




From john at winhaven.net  Sat Sep 11 09:34:20 2004
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 09:34:20 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] AHOO!!!  Got my action pack
In-Reply-To: <20040911074755.447047747.serbach@new.rr.com>
Message-ID: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIMEEHFOAA.john@winhaven.net>

Steve,
No requirements at all (that I know).

Yes, certification - let's invent some time to do that it, eh? Maybe we can just skip meals and sleep for a few months?

John

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Steven W.
Erbach
Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2004 7:48 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack


John,

>> With the Universal MSDN you have the license for life not the subscription period. I wasn't going to re-subscribe last year due to the price but when Jim passed on the lower prices he had been getting I went ahead and re-subbed. I have no idea as to if this holds true for empower as I missed that great deal. <<

Isn't it true, though, that with the regular Univeral subscription that you're not on the hook for the extra requirements MS insists on? That is, announce and release a commercial product using MS technologies within two years of signing up; and acquiring one of the MS certifications? I've got a bunch of stuff already for the MCDBA, but where's the time coming from to get certified, eh?

Steve


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From sgoodhall at comcast.net  Sat Sep 11 10:52:21 2004
From: sgoodhall at comcast.net (Steve Goodhall)
Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 11:52:21 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] emailing a newsletter
In-Reply-To: <4142BAC8.20539.8230386@lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <200409111553.i8BFr8630653@databaseadvisors.com>

Another option is to send from VBA using the Outlook object model.
Depending on the version and how you approach it, you may run across a
Microsoft security "feature" that prevents code from accessing the address
book.  The cure is Outlook Redemption (http://www.dimastr.com/redemption/).


I might have some code lying around.  If I find it, I will put it up on my
website and send another message.

Regards,

Steve Goodhall
www.goodhall.info/steve


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 6:44 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problemsolving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] emailing a newsletter

On 10 Sep 2004 at 10:30, augusta wrote:

> I have a client who has about 700 email addresses within an Access
database
> to whom she would like to send a newsletter.
> 
> Can anyone suggest a good way of going about this, other than
> query/copy/paste in to outlook? 

I generally use Blat (either the exe or dll version) for this sort of 
thing.  http://www.geocities.com/toby_korn/blat/

> Also, for some reason when she does it this
> way, she can only use about 50 address.
> 

Many ISPs set up there SMTP servers to only accept 50 or so to addresses in 
a single message as an anti-spam measure.

Using Blat, you can easily send out one message to each address rather than 
bundling them so the limit doesn;t matter.




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From Joe_Hecht at earthlink.net  Sat Sep 11 21:35:25 2004
From: Joe_Hecht at earthlink.net (Joe Hecht)
Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 19:35:25 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] emailing a newsletter
In-Reply-To: <200409101430.i8AEUIMw016991@ms-smtp-02.nyroc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <001501c49871$28c768a0$6401a8c0@delllaptop>

Check the archives for programs.

The clients ISP may have a limit to fight spam.

JOE HECHT
LOS ANGELES CA 
 jmhla at earthlink.net

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of augusta
Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 7:30 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] emailing a newsletter

I have a client who has about 700 email addresses within an Access database
to whom she would like to send a newsletter.

Can anyone suggest a good way of going about this, other than
query/copy/paste in to outlook? Also, for some reason when she does it this
way, she can only use about 50 address.

Thanks augusta


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From artful at rogers.com  Sun Sep 12 19:06:59 2004
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 20:06:59 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Fw: Tab limits for tab controls
In-Reply-To: <003401c4973d$b96af410$9865fea9@BILLONE>
Message-ID: <018501c49925$96c885a0$6501a8c0@rock>

What's wrong with tab controls? I use them a LOT in my interfaces. Mind
you, never 877 of them, but quite often say 10 tabs on 1 control, some
of whose pages contain another tab containing several pages. I love this
kind of interface.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 9:51 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Fw: Tab limits for tab controls


I don't need that many -- but I'm writing about them and that's just
part of the information -- I need to tell them how many tabs are allowed
--  just part of a comprehensive look at the control. Don't worry, I'm
also telling the gentle reader to NOT use them all. ;)

Susan H.



From ssharkins at bellsouth.net  Sun Sep 12 19:17:27 2004
From: ssharkins at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 20:17:27 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Fw: Tab limits for tab controls
References: <018501c49925$96c885a0$6501a8c0@rock>
Message-ID: <002c01c49927$395da830$9865fea9@BILLONE>

I said I told the reader not to use 877 tabs. I did NOT tell the reader not
to use tab controls.

Susan H.



> What's wrong with tab controls? I use them a LOT in my interfaces. Mind
> you, never 877 of them, but quite often say 10 tabs on 1 control, some
> of whose pages contain another tab containing several pages. I love this
> kind of interface.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
> Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 9:51 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Fw: Tab limits for tab controls
>
>
> I don't need that many -- but I'm writing about them and that's just
> part of the information -- I need to tell them how many tabs are allowed
> --  just part of a comprehensive look at the control. Don't worry, I'm
> also telling the gentle reader to NOT use them all. ;)
>
> Susan H.
>
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sun Sep 12 22:55:54 2004
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 13:55:54 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Fw: Tab limits for tab controls
In-Reply-To: <018501c49925$96c885a0$6501a8c0@rock>
References: <003401c4973d$b96af410$9865fea9@BILLONE>
Message-ID: <4145A6EA.4105.138D6132@lexacorp.com.pg>

On 12 Sep 2004 at 20:06, Arthur Fuller wrote:

> What's wrong with tab controls? I use them a LOT in my interfaces. Mind
> you, never 877 of them, but quite often say 10 tabs on 1 control, some
> of whose pages contain another tab containing several pages. I love this
> kind of interface.
> 

Nothing wrong with them as long as they are not misused.  See
http://digilander.libero.it/chiediloapippo/Engineering/iarchitect/tabs.htm



-- 
Stuart




From R.Griffiths at bury.gov.uk  Mon Sep 13 04:20:05 2004
From: R.Griffiths at bury.gov.uk (Griffiths, Richard)
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 10:20:05 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net
Message-ID: <F37DAC9A2964B144A2973EBCA8C54DBDABD3D0@BURY2K23.bury.gov.uk>

Hi Group

After advice and thoughts.  I have a piece of commercial software (library s/ware for schools) written with A97 FE and BE.  I am about to rewrite and can't decide over VB6 FE/A2K(DAO) BE or VB.net FE / A2K BE.(reason for change to VB as opposed to MS Access is that the VB footprint will be smaller 1-2mb [easier to email/download and manage than my 12-13 mb Access FE]).

On one hand the VB6 route will be quicker to develop (no learning curve) and I think to deploy. On the other hand VB.Net is the future (most likely!!)(and learning and developing in this will be more interesting and will spur me on) but I am concerned (mainly) about deployment as my users are not very IT literate and their pc's (at this time) are not up-to-date (some W95 many W98 32-64mb ram - I know .net is no go on W95).  So deployment of .net requires not only the framework but they need minimal Data Access 2.7, IE 5.01, Windows installer etc also installed.  But 6-12 months down the line I don't want to be in the posistion that having used VB6 to then consider rewriting in Vb.net.

What I can't gauge here is how significant these issues are (and any other issues).  So what I am hoping to get here is how you would approach this conundrum - tried and tested VB6 or new VB.net?

Thanks 

Richard





From viner at EUnet.yu  Mon Sep 13 04:46:08 2004
From: viner at EUnet.yu (Ervin Brindza)
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 11:46:08 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Re: emailing a newsletter
References: <FKEBJOENDDBJHLINGOBHCEPIFLAA.reuben@gfconsultants.com>
Message-ID: <000201c4997c$c11cc8a0$0100a8c0@razvoj>

Reuben,
could you share it, please?
Many TIA,
    Ervin
----- Original Message -----
From: "Reuben Cummings" <reuben at gfconsultants.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: 10 September, 2004 5:47 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] emailing a newsletter


> Augusta, I sent you a copy of a very small db that I have than can do what
> you are after.
>
> Reuben Cummings
> GFC, LLC
> phone: 812.523.1017
> email: reuben at gfconsultants.com
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of augusta
> > Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 9:30 AM
> > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > Subject: [AccessD] emailing a newsletter
> >
> >
> > I have a client who has about 700 email addresses within an
> > Access database
> > to whom she would like to send a newsletter.
> >
> > Can anyone suggest a good way of going about this, other than
> > query/copy/paste in to outlook? Also, for some reason when she
> > does it this
> > way, she can only use about 50 address.
> >
> > Thanks augusta
> >
> >
> > --
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> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
>
>
>
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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Mon Sep 13 06:46:50 2004
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 06:46:50 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net
In-Reply-To: <26592636.1095067601864.JavaMail.root@sniper6.usinternet.com>
Message-ID: <000001c49987$5ba4d3e0$de1811d8@danwaters>

Richard,

I've recently seen that whenever I compress a database FE, the compressed
size is 20% - 25% of its original size.  This would make emailing a FE a bit
easier.

Dan Waters

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Griffiths,
Richard
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 4:20 AM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net

Hi Group

After advice and thoughts.  I have a piece of commercial software (library
s/ware for schools) written with A97 FE and BE.  I am about to rewrite and
can't decide over VB6 FE/A2K(DAO) BE or VB.net FE / A2K BE.(reason for
change to VB as opposed to MS Access is that the VB footprint will be
smaller 1-2mb [easier to email/download and manage than my 12-13 mb Access
FE]).

On one hand the VB6 route will be quicker to develop (no learning curve) and
I think to deploy. On the other hand VB.Net is the future (most
likely!!)(and learning and developing in this will be more interesting and
will spur me on) but I am concerned (mainly) about deployment as my users
are not very IT literate and their pc's (at this time) are not up-to-date
(some W95 many W98 32-64mb ram - I know .net is no go on W95).  So
deployment of .net requires not only the framework but they need minimal
Data Access 2.7, IE 5.01, Windows installer etc also installed.  But 6-12
months down the line I don't want to be in the posistion that having used
VB6 to then consider rewriting in Vb.net.

What I can't gauge here is how significant these issues are (and any other
issues).  So what I am hoping to get here is how you would approach this
conundrum - tried and tested VB6 or new VB.net?

Thanks 

Richard



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From ssharkins at bellsouth.net  Mon Sep 13 07:02:30 2004
From: ssharkins at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 08:02:30 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net
References: <000001c49987$5ba4d3e0$de1811d8@danwaters>
Message-ID: <007201c49989$8ff71340$9865fea9@BILLONE>

I'm not a .NET expert by any means and don't plan on becoming one, but I
would like to mention that the learning curve is pretty steep. Charlotte and
a few others here are tackling it and I'm sure they can give you some
excellent advice.

Begs the question -- is rewriting or actually creating a new app the best
way to learn a new technology? I know that I, personally, probably would not
try it -- I don't think I could learn it and do a good job at the same time.
But then, I don't "develop" in the same way you guys do - development is not
my livlihood. On the other hand, I have the luxury of being able to write
about what I learn, as I'm learning, so that takes the edge off of the whole
experience for me. I know many of you can't stop working to learn -- you
have to try to do both at the same time -- which is what I'm doing myself.

Susan H.

> What I can't gauge here is how significant these issues are (and any other
> issues).  So what I am hoping to get here is how you would approach this
> conundrum - tried and tested VB6 or new VB.net?



From michael at ddisolutions.com.au  Mon Sep 13 07:38:12 2004
From: michael at ddisolutions.com.au (Michael Maddison)
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 22:38:12 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net
Message-ID: <59A61174B1F5B54B97FD4ADDE71E7D01011B8C@ddi-01.DDI.local>

Given your target market I'd probably stick with VB6.
VB6 will be supported for many years to come yet!

Port to VB,
then in your spare time <g> start rewriting in .net
You will probably rewrite your 1st attempts a few times as you pick it
up anyway so if you are confident in VB6 stick with that
for your bread n butter.

cheers

Michael M



Hi Group

After advice and thoughts.  I have a piece of commercial software
(library s/ware for schools) written with A97 FE and BE.  I am about to
rewrite and can't decide over VB6 FE/A2K(DAO) BE or VB.net FE / A2K
BE.(reason for change to VB as opposed to MS Access is that the VB
footprint will be smaller 1-2mb [easier to email/download and manage
than my 12-13 mb Access FE]).

On one hand the VB6 route will be quicker to develop (no learning curve)
and I think to deploy. On the other hand VB.Net is the future (most
likely!!)(and learning and developing in this will be more interesting
and will spur me on) but I am concerned (mainly) about deployment as my
users are not very IT literate and their pc's (at this time) are not
up-to-date (some W95 many W98 32-64mb ram - I know .net is no go on
W95).  So deployment of .net requires not only the framework but they
need minimal Data Access 2.7, IE 5.01, Windows installer etc also
installed.  But 6-12 months down the line I don't want to be in the
posistion that having used VB6 to then consider rewriting in Vb.net.

What I can't gauge here is how significant these issues are (and any
other issues).  So what I am hoping to get here is how you would
approach this conundrum - tried and tested VB6 or new VB.net?

Thanks 

Richard



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From jimdettman at earthlink.net  Mon Sep 13 07:44:35 2004
From: jimdettman at earthlink.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 08:44:35 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net
In-Reply-To: <F37DAC9A2964B144A2973EBCA8C54DBDABD3D0@BURY2K23.bury.gov.uk>
Message-ID: <NEBBKADGELICHEJJCKGKGEEOKDAA.jimdettman@earthlink.net>

Richard,

  I think rather then the worrying about the front end, you should be
considering the BE and the technology behind it.  However without knowing a
lot more about your app, it's hard to say if that's critical or not.  Also,
you didn't mention why you were considering moving from developing the FE in
Access itself.

  As for VB.Net, I've been ignoring it for the most part for some of the
same reasons you outline (distribution) plus the fact that it has a large
learning curve.  I can't see spending the time on that when I already have
tools at my disposal that do the job fine. And I'm not the only one.
Overall it seems that .Net has been poorly received by the development
community.  Most developers I know are happy (for the most part) with what
they already have/know.  Of course a lot depends on the types of apps you
develop and the end users you target.  I think most of us on this list are
on the smaller end of the scale developing typical business type apps for 50
concurrent users or less.

  How about a quick un-scientific poll?

1. Do you currently develop in .Net (you know it and use it on a regular
basis)
2. Are you learning .Net for a project (your just starting out with it and
have done a small project or two).
3. Don't know anything about it, but are interested in it.
4. Could care less.

  I'm firmly at #4 for the moment.

Jim Dettman
(315) 699-3443
jimdettman at earthlink.net

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Griffiths,
Richard
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 5:20 AM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net


Hi Group

After advice and thoughts.  I have a piece of commercial software (library
s/ware for schools) written with A97 FE and BE.  I am about to rewrite and
can't decide over VB6 FE/A2K(DAO) BE or VB.net FE / A2K BE.(reason for
change to VB as opposed to MS Access is that the VB footprint will be
smaller 1-2mb [easier to email/download and manage than my 12-13 mb Access
FE]).

On one hand the VB6 route will be quicker to develop (no learning curve) and
I think to deploy. On the other hand VB.Net is the future (most
likely!!)(and learning and developing in this will be more interesting and
will spur me on) but I am concerned (mainly) about deployment as my users
are not very IT literate and their pc's (at this time) are not up-to-date
(some W95 many W98 32-64mb ram - I know .net is no go on W95).  So
deployment of .net requires not only the framework but they need minimal
Data Access 2.7, IE 5.01, Windows installer etc also installed.  But 6-12
months down the line I don't want to be in the posistion that having used
VB6 to then consider rewriting in Vb.net.

What I can't gauge here is how significant these issues are (and any other
issues).  So what I am hoping to get here is how you would approach this
conundrum - tried and tested VB6 or new VB.net?

Thanks

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From JHewson at karta.com  Mon Sep 13 07:58:25 2004
From: JHewson at karta.com (Jim Hewson)
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 07:58:25 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net
Message-ID: <9C382E065F54AE48BC3AA7925DCBB01C0103E2FE@karta-exc-int.Karta.com>

I'm at #4.
I don't have the time nor the inclination to learn it.
Jim Hewson

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 7:45 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net


Richard,

  I think rather then the worrying about the front end, you should be
considering the BE and the technology behind it.  However without knowing a
lot more about your app, it's hard to say if that's critical or not.  Also,
you didn't mention why you were considering moving from developing the FE in
Access itself.

  As for VB.Net, I've been ignoring it for the most part for some of the
same reasons you outline (distribution) plus the fact that it has a large
learning curve.  I can't see spending the time on that when I already have
tools at my disposal that do the job fine. And I'm not the only one.
Overall it seems that .Net has been poorly received by the development
community.  Most developers I know are happy (for the most part) with what
they already have/know.  Of course a lot depends on the types of apps you
develop and the end users you target.  I think most of us on this list are
on the smaller end of the scale developing typical business type apps for 50
concurrent users or less.

  How about a quick un-scientific poll?

1. Do you currently develop in .Net (you know it and use it on a regular
basis)
2. Are you learning .Net for a project (your just starting out with it and
have done a small project or two).
3. Don't know anything about it, but are interested in it.
4. Could care less.

  I'm firmly at #4 for the moment.

Jim Dettman
(315) 699-3443
jimdettman at earthlink.net

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Griffiths,
Richard
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 5:20 AM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net


Hi Group

After advice and thoughts.  I have a piece of commercial software (library
s/ware for schools) written with A97 FE and BE.  I am about to rewrite and
can't decide over VB6 FE/A2K(DAO) BE or VB.net FE / A2K BE.(reason for
change to VB as opposed to MS Access is that the VB footprint will be
smaller 1-2mb [easier to email/download and manage than my 12-13 mb Access
FE]).

On one hand the VB6 route will be quicker to develop (no learning curve) and
I think to deploy. On the other hand VB.Net is the future (most
likely!!)(and learning and developing in this will be more interesting and
will spur me on) but I am concerned (mainly) about deployment as my users
are not very IT literate and their pc's (at this time) are not up-to-date
(some W95 many W98 32-64mb ram - I know .net is no go on W95).  So
deployment of .net requires not only the framework but they need minimal
Data Access 2.7, IE 5.01, Windows installer etc also installed.  But 6-12
months down the line I don't want to be in the posistion that having used
VB6 to then consider rewriting in Vb.net.

What I can't gauge here is how significant these issues are (and any other
issues).  So what I am hoping to get here is how you would approach this
conundrum - tried and tested VB6 or new VB.net?

Thanks

Richard



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From Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org  Mon Sep 13 08:12:34 2004
From: Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 09:12:34 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net
Message-ID: <08F823FD83787D4BA0B99CA580AD3C74089B8C@TTNEXCHCL2.hshhp.com>

If you're an Access developer and plan on remaining one forever then maybe (and only maybe) you can choose to ignore the .NET platform.  There's always talk of a .NET supported Access version so you may well need to look at it at some time.  

If you're interested in web development than it should not be ignored (and in fact should be considered) and although there are still security issues web services give us a chance to talk to disparate systems and ease creation of distributed applications.  There are already hooks into Word and Excel so can Access be far behind?  I doubt it (IMHO).

Jim DeMarco

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim Hewson
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 8:58 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net


I'm at #4.
I don't have the time nor the inclination to learn it.
Jim Hewson

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 7:45 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net


Richard,

  I think rather then the worrying about the front end, you should be
considering the BE and the technology behind it.  However without knowing a
lot more about your app, it's hard to say if that's critical or not.  Also,
you didn't mention why you were considering moving from developing the FE in
Access itself.

  As for VB.Net, I've been ignoring it for the most part for some of the
same reasons you outline (distribution) plus the fact that it has a large
learning curve.  I can't see spending the time on that when I already have
tools at my disposal that do the job fine. And I'm not the only one.
Overall it seems that .Net has been poorly received by the development
community.  Most developers I know are happy (for the most part) with what
they already have/know.  Of course a lot depends on the types of apps you
develop and the end users you target.  I think most of us on this list are
on the smaller end of the scale developing typical business type apps for 50
concurrent users or less.

  How about a quick un-scientific poll?

1. Do you currently develop in .Net (you know it and use it on a regular
basis)
2. Are you learning .Net for a project (your just starting out with it and
have done a small project or two).
3. Don't know anything about it, but are interested in it.
4. Could care less.

  I'm firmly at #4 for the moment.

Jim Dettman
(315) 699-3443
jimdettman at earthlink.net

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Griffiths,
Richard
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 5:20 AM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net


Hi Group

After advice and thoughts.  I have a piece of commercial software (library
s/ware for schools) written with A97 FE and BE.  I am about to rewrite and
can't decide over VB6 FE/A2K(DAO) BE or VB.net FE / A2K BE.(reason for
change to VB as opposed to MS Access is that the VB footprint will be
smaller 1-2mb [easier to email/download and manage than my 12-13 mb Access
FE]).

On one hand the VB6 route will be quicker to develop (no learning curve) and
I think to deploy. On the other hand VB.Net is the future (most
likely!!)(and learning and developing in this will be more interesting and
will spur me on) but I am concerned (mainly) about deployment as my users
are not very IT literate and their pc's (at this time) are not up-to-date
(some W95 many W98 32-64mb ram - I know .net is no go on W95).  So
deployment of .net requires not only the framework but they need minimal
Data Access 2.7, IE 5.01, Windows installer etc also installed.  But 6-12
months down the line I don't want to be in the posistion that having used
VB6 to then consider rewriting in Vb.net.

What I can't gauge here is how significant these issues are (and any other
issues).  So what I am hoping to get here is how you would approach this
conundrum - tried and tested VB6 or new VB.net?

Thanks

Richard



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From Jeff at OUTBAKTech.com  Mon Sep 13 08:29:26 2004
From: Jeff at OUTBAKTech.com (Jeff Barrows)
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 08:29:26 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net
Message-ID: <8DA8776D2F418E46A2A464AC6CE630500326B9@outbaksrv1.outbaktech.com>

#2
I even got MCAD, MCSD Certified
 
Jeff B

	-----Original Message----- 
	From: Jim Hewson [mailto:JHewson at karta.com] 
	Sent: Mon 9/13/2004 7:58 AM 
	To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
	Cc: 
	Subject: RE: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net
	
	

	I'm at #4.
	I don't have the time nor the inclination to learn it.
	Jim Hewson
	
	-----Original Message-----
	From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
	[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
	Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 7:45 AM
	To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
	Subject: RE: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net
	
	
	Richard,
	
	  I think rather then the worrying about the front end, you should be
	considering the BE and the technology behind it.  However without knowing a
	lot more about your app, it's hard to say if that's critical or not.  Also,
	you didn't mention why you were considering moving from developing the FE in
	Access itself.
	
	  As for VB.Net, I've been ignoring it for the most part for some of the
	same reasons you outline (distribution) plus the fact that it has a large
	learning curve.  I can't see spending the time on that when I already have
	tools at my disposal that do the job fine. And I'm not the only one.
	Overall it seems that .Net has been poorly received by the development
	community.  Most developers I know are happy (for the most part) with what
	they already have/know.  Of course a lot depends on the types of apps you
	develop and the end users you target.  I think most of us on this list are
	on the smaller end of the scale developing typical business type apps for 50
	concurrent users or less.
	
	  How about a quick un-scientific poll?
	
	1. Do you currently develop in .Net (you know it and use it on a regular
	basis)
	2. Are you learning .Net for a project (your just starting out with it and
	have done a small project or two).
	3. Don't know anything about it, but are interested in it.
	4. Could care less.
	
	  I'm firmly at #4 for the moment.
	
	Jim Dettman
	(315) 699-3443
	jimdettman at earthlink.net
	
	-----Original Message-----
	From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
	[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Griffiths,
	Richard
	Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 5:20 AM
	To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
	Subject: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net
	
	
	Hi Group
	
	After advice and thoughts.  I have a piece of commercial software (library
	s/ware for schools) written with A97 FE and BE.  I am about to rewrite and
	can't decide over VB6 FE/A2K(DAO) BE or VB.net FE / A2K BE.(reason for
	change to VB as opposed to MS Access is that the VB footprint will be
	smaller 1-2mb [easier to email/download and manage than my 12-13 mb Access
	FE]).
	
	On one hand the VB6 route will be quicker to develop (no learning curve) and
	I think to deploy. On the other hand VB.Net is the future (most
	likely!!)(and learning and developing in this will be more interesting and
	will spur me on) but I am concerned (mainly) about deployment as my users
	are not very IT literate and their pc's (at this time) are not up-to-date
	(some W95 many W98 32-64mb ram - I know .net is no go on W95).  So
	deployment of .net requires not only the framework but they need minimal
	Data Access 2.7, IE 5.01, Windows installer etc also installed.  But 6-12
	months down the line I don't want to be in the posistion that having used
	VB6 to then consider rewriting in Vb.net.
	
	What I can't gauge here is how significant these issues are (and any other
	issues).  So what I am hoping to get here is how you would approach this
	conundrum - tried and tested VB6 or new VB.net?
	
	Thanks
	
	Richard
	
	
	
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From R.Griffiths at bury.gov.uk  Mon Sep 13 08:37:24 2004
From: R.Griffiths at bury.gov.uk (Griffiths, Richard)
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 14:37:24 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net
Message-ID: <F37DAC9A2964B144A2973EBCA8C54DBDABD3D1@BURY2K23.bury.gov.uk>

Dan
Its been compacted and mde'd - reports etc take up space (I know I could write a separate FE for reports but this is what I am trying to avoid - using VB and crystal allows new reports to be send quickly and easily for example)
thanks
Richard


-----Original Message-----
From:	Dan Waters [mailto:dwaters at usinternet.com]
Sent:	Mon 13/09/2004 12:46
To:	'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Cc:	
Subject:	RE: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net

Richard,

I've recently seen that whenever I compress a database FE, the compressed
size is 20% - 25% of its original size.  This would make emailing a FE a bit
easier.

Dan Waters

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Griffiths,
Richard
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 4:20 AM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net

Hi Group

After advice and thoughts.  I have a piece of commercial software (library
s/ware for schools) written with A97 FE and BE.  I am about to rewrite and
can't decide over VB6 FE/A2K(DAO) BE or VB.net FE / A2K BE.(reason for
change to VB as opposed to MS Access is that the VB footprint will be
smaller 1-2mb [easier to email/download and manage than my 12-13 mb Access
FE]).

On one hand the VB6 route will be quicker to develop (no learning curve) and
I think to deploy. On the other hand VB.Net is the future (most
likely!!)(and learning and developing in this will be more interesting and
will spur me on) but I am concerned (mainly) about deployment as my users
are not very IT literate and their pc's (at this time) are not up-to-date
(some W95 many W98 32-64mb ram - I know .net is no go on W95).  So
deployment of .net requires not only the framework but they need minimal
Data Access 2.7, IE 5.01, Windows installer etc also installed.  But 6-12
months down the line I don't want to be in the posistion that having used
VB6 to then consider rewriting in Vb.net.

What I can't gauge here is how significant these issues are (and any other
issues).  So what I am hoping to get here is how you would approach this
conundrum - tried and tested VB6 or new VB.net?

Thanks 

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From BBarabash at TappeConstruction.com  Mon Sep 13 08:40:36 2004
From: BBarabash at TappeConstruction.com (Brett Barabash)
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 08:40:36 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net
Message-ID: <100F91B31300334B89EC531C9DCB0865065942@tccexch01.tappeconstruction.net>

#2.
When evaluating dev tools for an upcoming project, it became apparent to
me that the new OO capabilities of .NET would be worth the learning
curve.

Judging by the developer journals and 3rd party tool developers, I
wouldn't say that it has been "poorly received".  It's getting tough to
find VB6 articles in print or online.

I've already gotten into the "which is better" war on this list, so I'll
save it this time.  However, after a week long boot camp course, I
firmly believe that it's the best tool for the job, regardless of how
many other developers agree.


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 7:45 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net


Richard,

  I think rather then the worrying about the front end, you should be
considering the BE and the technology behind it.  However without
knowing a lot more about your app, it's hard to say if that's critical
or not.  Also, you didn't mention why you were considering moving from
developing the FE in Access itself.

  As for VB.Net, I've been ignoring it for the most part for some of the
same reasons you outline (distribution) plus the fact that it has a
large learning curve.  I can't see spending the time on that when I
already have tools at my disposal that do the job fine. And I'm not the
only one.
Overall it seems that .Net has been poorly received by the development
community.  Most developers I know are happy (for the most part) with
what they already have/know.  Of course a lot depends on the types of
apps you develop and the end users you target.  I think most of us on
this list are on the smaller end of the scale developing typical
business type apps for 50 concurrent users or less.

  How about a quick un-scientific poll?

1. Do you currently develop in .Net (you know it and use it on a regular
basis)
2. Are you learning .Net for a project (your just starting out with it
and have done a small project or two).
3. Don't know anything about it, but are interested in it.
4. Could care less.

  I'm firmly at #4 for the moment.

Jim Dettman
(315) 699-3443
jimdettman at earthlink.net

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Griffiths,
Richard
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 5:20 AM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net


Hi Group

After advice and thoughts.  I have a piece of commercial software
(library s/ware for schools) written with A97 FE and BE.  I am about to
rewrite and can't decide over VB6 FE/A2K(DAO) BE or VB.net FE / A2K
BE.(reason for change to VB as opposed to MS Access is that the VB
footprint will be smaller 1-2mb [easier to email/download and manage
than my 12-13 mb Access FE]).

On one hand the VB6 route will be quicker to develop (no learning curve)
and I think to deploy. On the other hand VB.Net is the future (most
likely!!)(and learning and developing in this will be more interesting
and will spur me on) but I am concerned (mainly) about deployment as my
users are not very IT literate and their pc's (at this time) are not
up-to-date (some W95 many W98 32-64mb ram - I know .net is no go on
W95).  So deployment of .net requires not only the framework but they
need minimal Data Access 2.7, IE 5.01, Windows installer etc also
installed.  But 6-12 months down the line I don't want to be in the
posistion that having used
VB6 to then consider rewriting in Vb.net.

What I can't gauge here is how significant these issues are (and any
other issues).  So what I am hoping to get here is how you would
approach this conundrum - tried and tested VB6 or new VB.net?

Thanks

Richard


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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Sep 13 09:03:46 2004
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 10:03:46 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net
In-Reply-To: <100F91B31300334B89EC531C9DCB0865065942@tccexch01.tappeconstruction.net>
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>after a week long boot camp course, I firmly believe that it's the best
tool for the job

The primary function of boot camp is brainwashing.

;-)

I went to boot camp, I know!

However I agree with you, .net is a VERY powerful tool.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brett Barabash
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 9:41 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net


#2.
When evaluating dev tools for an upcoming project, it became apparent to me
that the new OO capabilities of .NET would be worth the learning curve.

Judging by the developer journals and 3rd party tool developers, I wouldn't
say that it has been "poorly received".  It's getting tough to find VB6
articles in print or online.

I've already gotten into the "which is better" war on this list, so I'll
save it this time.  However, after a week long boot camp course, I firmly
believe that it's the best tool for the job, regardless of how many other
developers agree.


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 7:45 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net


Richard,

  I think rather then the worrying about the front end, you should be
considering the BE and the technology behind it.  However without knowing a
lot more about your app, it's hard to say if that's critical or not.  Also,
you didn't mention why you were considering moving from developing the FE in
Access itself.

  As for VB.Net, I've been ignoring it for the most part for some of the
same reasons you outline (distribution) plus the fact that it has a large
learning curve.  I can't see spending the time on that when I already have
tools at my disposal that do the job fine. And I'm not the only one. Overall
it seems that .Net has been poorly received by the development community.
Most developers I know are happy (for the most part) with what they already
have/know.  Of course a lot depends on the types of apps you develop and the
end users you target.  I think most of us on this list are on the smaller
end of the scale developing typical business type apps for 50 concurrent
users or less.

  How about a quick un-scientific poll?

1. Do you currently develop in .Net (you know it and use it on a regular
basis)
2. Are you learning .Net for a project (your just starting out with it and
have done a small project or two). 3. Don't know anything about it, but are
interested in it. 4. Could care less.

  I'm firmly at #4 for the moment.

Jim Dettman
(315) 699-3443
jimdettman at earthlink.net

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Griffiths, Richard
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 5:20 AM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net


Hi Group

After advice and thoughts.  I have a piece of commercial software (library
s/ware for schools) written with A97 FE and BE.  I am about to rewrite and
can't decide over VB6 FE/A2K(DAO) BE or VB.net FE / A2K BE.(reason for
change to VB as opposed to MS Access is that the VB footprint will be
smaller 1-2mb [easier to email/download and manage than my 12-13 mb Access
FE]).

On one hand the VB6 route will be quicker to develop (no learning curve) and
I think to deploy. On the other hand VB.Net is the future (most
likely!!)(and learning and developing in this will be more interesting and
will spur me on) but I am concerned (mainly) about deployment as my users
are not very IT literate and their pc's (at this time) are not up-to-date
(some W95 many W98 32-64mb ram - I know .net is no go on W95).  So
deployment of .net requires not only the framework but they need minimal
Data Access 2.7, IE 5.01, Windows installer etc also installed.  But 6-12
months down the line I don't want to be in the posistion that having used
VB6 to then consider rewriting in Vb.net.

What I can't gauge here is how significant these issues are (and any other
issues).  So what I am hoping to get here is how you would approach this
conundrum - tried and tested VB6 or new VB.net?

Thanks

Richard


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From R.Griffiths at bury.gov.uk  Mon Sep 13 09:10:52 2004
From: R.Griffiths at bury.gov.uk (Griffiths, Richard)
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 15:10:52 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net
Message-ID: <F37DAC9A2964B144A2973EBCA8C54DBDABD3D2@BURY2K23.bury.gov.uk>

Hi

Thanks for all your replies (keep'em coming).

A few months ago I was leaning towards keeping it to VB6 but since then I have started using VB.net...and after initial head scratching it appears to be not that difficult ie learning curve less steep that I first thought (just talking usual VB/VBA application development - not the whole .net thingy).  

It reminds me a little like when I started using VB6 after many years of MS Access (I thought VB6 was going to be this daunting big programming thing - but its (VB6) as simple (or otherwise) as Access/VBA.  I think VB.net will be the same (there is tons of free code to help you on the net). 

I am also leaning towards .net as when you've programmed for many years I find that sometimes you hit saturation point i.e. you can't face writing another line of code - the one thing that can overcome this is new technology/languages etc. and this challenge refeshes the programming desire within - I find anyway.  

As I was unsure of the deployment issue I did do some testing this morning and copied dotnetfx.exe (redistributable .net framework)  to a W98 machine and installed - no problems.  Installed Data Access 2.7 - no problems. I then simply copied an A2K BE mdb over with Vb.net exe . Double-clicked the exe and pleasingly/surprisingly it loaded the form, connected the db and ran okay. (I know this is a limited one machine test).

I'm still not sure which way to go (especially as the replies thus far lean away from VB.Net) but I shall welcome further replies.

Many thanks

Richard









-----Original Message-----
From:	Jim Dettman [mailto:jimdettman at earthlink.net]
Sent:	Mon 13/09/2004 13:44
To:	Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Cc:	
Subject:	RE: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net

Richard,

  I think rather then the worrying about the front end, you should be
considering the BE and the technology behind it.  However without knowing a
lot more about your app, it's hard to say if that's critical or not.  Also,
you didn't mention why you were considering moving from developing the FE in
Access itself.

  As for VB.Net, I've been ignoring it for the most part for some of the
same reasons you outline (distribution) plus the fact that it has a large
learning curve.  I can't see spending the time on that when I already have
tools at my disposal that do the job fine. And I'm not the only one.
Overall it seems that .Net has been poorly received by the development
community.  Most developers I know are happy (for the most part) with what
they already have/know.  Of course a lot depends on the types of apps you
develop and the end users you target.  I think most of us on this list are
on the smaller end of the scale developing typical business type apps for 50
concurrent users or less.

  How about a quick un-scientific poll?

1. Do you currently develop in .Net (you know it and use it on a regular
basis)
2. Are you learning .Net for a project (your just starting out with it and
have done a small project or two).
3. Don't know anything about it, but are interested in it.
4. Could care less.

  I'm firmly at #4 for the moment.

Jim Dettman
(315) 699-3443
jimdettman at earthlink.net

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Griffiths,
Richard
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 5:20 AM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net


Hi Group

After advice and thoughts.  I have a piece of commercial software (library
s/ware for schools) written with A97 FE and BE.  I am about to rewrite and
can't decide over VB6 FE/A2K(DAO) BE or VB.net FE / A2K BE.(reason for
change to VB as opposed to MS Access is that the VB footprint will be
smaller 1-2mb [easier to email/download and manage than my 12-13 mb Access
FE]).

On one hand the VB6 route will be quicker to develop (no learning curve) and
I think to deploy. On the other hand VB.Net is the future (most
likely!!)(and learning and developing in this will be more interesting and
will spur me on) but I am concerned (mainly) about deployment as my users
are not very IT literate and their pc's (at this time) are not up-to-date
(some W95 many W98 32-64mb ram - I know .net is no go on W95).  So
deployment of .net requires not only the framework but they need minimal
Data Access 2.7, IE 5.01, Windows installer etc also installed.  But 6-12
months down the line I don't want to be in the posistion that having used
VB6 to then consider rewriting in Vb.net.

What I can't gauge here is how significant these issues are (and any other
issues).  So what I am hoping to get here is how you would approach this
conundrum - tried and tested VB6 or new VB.net?

Thanks

Richard



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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Mon Sep 13 09:29:48 2004
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (DWUTKA at marlow.com)
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 09:29:48 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Fw: Tab limits for tab controls
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8031BB369@main2.marlow.com>

Interesting.  only read the first half though.  As far as interface flaws,
one of the worst I have seen, is the Microsoft Access User Level Security.
There is no problem with tabs, but what is extremely aggrevating is the
incessant need for the system for you to press Okay after every change.  If
you don't press Okay, you are prompted if you want to apply the change you
just made each and every time.  Ugh.  I know this applies to Access 97,
don't know if later versions changed that or not.

Drew

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Stuart
McLachlan
Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 5:53 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Fw: Tab limits for tab controls


On 10 Sep 2004 at 9:50, Susan Harkins wrote:

> I don't need that many -- but I'm writing about them and that's just part
of
> the information -- I need to tell them how many tabs are allowed --  just
> part of a comprehensive look at the control. Don't worry, I'm also telling
> the gentle reader to NOT use them all. ;)
> 

I hope you are also covering the material in, or pointing the gentle reader 
to the Interface Hall of Shame section on tab controls:

http://digilander.libero.it/chiediloapippo/Engineering/iarchitect/tabs.htm

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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Mon Sep 13 09:35:58 2004
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (DWUTKA at marlow.com)
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 09:35:58 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8031BB36A@main2.marlow.com>

VB 6 is going to last a long time.  It is going to take a major, VERY major
OS change to require 'upgrading' VB 6.0 applications.  If you have some
clients that cannot even use VB.NET yet, I would say that isn't even an
option then.

Just out of curiousity, why change the backend?  With a VB interface, Access
is no longer required at all, and you can you any version you want.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Griffiths,
Richard
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 4:20 AM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net


Hi Group

After advice and thoughts.  I have a piece of commercial software (library
s/ware for schools) written with A97 FE and BE.  I am about to rewrite and
can't decide over VB6 FE/A2K(DAO) BE or VB.net FE / A2K BE.(reason for
change to VB as opposed to MS Access is that the VB footprint will be
smaller 1-2mb [easier to email/download and manage than my 12-13 mb Access
FE]).

On one hand the VB6 route will be quicker to develop (no learning curve) and
I think to deploy. On the other hand VB.Net is the future (most
likely!!)(and learning and developing in this will be more interesting and
will spur me on) but I am concerned (mainly) about deployment as my users
are not very IT literate and their pc's (at this time) are not up-to-date
(some W95 many W98 32-64mb ram - I know .net is no go on W95).  So
deployment of .net requires not only the framework but they need minimal
Data Access 2.7, IE 5.01, Windows installer etc also installed.  But 6-12
months down the line I don't want to be in the posistion that having used
VB6 to then consider rewriting in Vb.net.

What I can't gauge here is how significant these issues are (and any other
issues).  So what I am hoping to get here is how you would approach this
conundrum - tried and tested VB6 or new VB.net?

Thanks 

Richard



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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Mon Sep 13 09:53:24 2004
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (DWUTKA at marlow.com)
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 09:53:24 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8031BB36B@main2.marlow.com>

I got the .Net package from watching those movies.  I was pretty much in the
#4. Category.  I think I am still there.  I don't think the learning curve
is all that big.  I didn't have a problem with it.  I've played around with
Visual C++ before, though, so I was sort of used to some of the quirks a raw
VB programmer wouldn't normally experience.

Quite frankly, if they would have come out with a VB 7.0, which stuck to VB
6.0, and just added inheritance, I would be as happy as a pig in mud.  That
is the only saving grace of .Net, in my opinion.  Implements is nice, but is
a far cry from inheritance, and it requires a lot more work to even use.

.Net has a lot of drawbacks too, which makes the transition that much more
difficult to swallow.  For one, the .Net Framework is not a small 1.4 meg
installation.  I have heard of many 'versioning' issues too, though I
couldn't personally verify any.  Then in the development environment, you
have things like the forced tabbed text structure.  It doesn't tab
incorrectly (or at least I haven't seen an example yet), but it is just
plain annoying when you are used to tabbing your own code, the way you like
it.  It tabs more frequently then I normally would.  (Not sure if there is a
setting to turn that off, I think I looked but didn't find anything).

There is a nifty 'code help' feature, that will underscore code that won't
work, and give advice as to fix, but I think they did a half baked job on
that.  One of the first things I got into, in .NET, was to create a class
object.  In VB 6, you can use Property Get, Let, and Set statements.  In
.NET, you actually use Get and Set, but not declared the same way.  On top
of that, it barks if you use a Property statement, with a Get, but no Set.
If you don't use Set, you are supposed to declare the property to be read
only.  Thought that was kind of stupid, because the compiler should be able
to determine that on it's own, based on whether or not there is a Set
statement.

Like I said, if they had just added inheritance to VB 6.0, they would have
done a lot better in getting developers to move to a new platform.  That's
just my opinion though.

Drew

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 7:45 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net


Richard,

  I think rather then the worrying about the front end, you should be
considering the BE and the technology behind it.  However without knowing a
lot more about your app, it's hard to say if that's critical or not.  Also,
you didn't mention why you were considering moving from developing the FE in
Access itself.

  As for VB.Net, I've been ignoring it for the most part for some of the
same reasons you outline (distribution) plus the fact that it has a large
learning curve.  I can't see spending the time on that when I already have
tools at my disposal that do the job fine. And I'm not the only one.
Overall it seems that .Net has been poorly received by the development
community.  Most developers I know are happy (for the most part) with what
they already have/know.  Of course a lot depends on the types of apps you
develop and the end users you target.  I think most of us on this list are
on the smaller end of the scale developing typical business type apps for 50
concurrent users or less.

  How about a quick un-scientific poll?

1. Do you currently develop in .Net (you know it and use it on a regular
basis)
2. Are you learning .Net for a project (your just starting out with it and
have done a small project or two).
3. Don't know anything about it, but are interested in it.
4. Could care less.

  I'm firmly at #4 for the moment.

Jim Dettman
(315) 699-3443
jimdettman at earthlink.net

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Griffiths,
Richard
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 5:20 AM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net


Hi Group

After advice and thoughts.  I have a piece of commercial software (library
s/ware for schools) written with A97 FE and BE.  I am about to rewrite and
can't decide over VB6 FE/A2K(DAO) BE or VB.net FE / A2K BE.(reason for
change to VB as opposed to MS Access is that the VB footprint will be
smaller 1-2mb [easier to email/download and manage than my 12-13 mb Access
FE]).

On one hand the VB6 route will be quicker to develop (no learning curve) and
I think to deploy. On the other hand VB.Net is the future (most
likely!!)(and learning and developing in this will be more interesting and
will spur me on) but I am concerned (mainly) about deployment as my users
are not very IT literate and their pc's (at this time) are not up-to-date
(some W95 many W98 32-64mb ram - I know .net is no go on W95).  So
deployment of .net requires not only the framework but they need minimal
Data Access 2.7, IE 5.01, Windows installer etc also installed.  But 6-12
months down the line I don't want to be in the posistion that having used
VB6 to then consider rewriting in Vb.net.

What I can't gauge here is how significant these issues are (and any other
issues).  So what I am hoping to get here is how you would approach this
conundrum - tried and tested VB6 or new VB.net?

Thanks

Richard



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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Mon Sep 13 09:58:57 2004
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (DWUTKA at marlow.com)
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 09:58:57 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8031BB36C@main2.marlow.com>

Just curious JC, other then inheritance, what else have you found that make
.NET that much more powerful then VB?  I honestly didn't see anything.  I
want to know if I'm completely ignoring other capabilities.  (I know about
.Net's ability to create an NT Service and Command Line utility, but I write
VB 6.0 NT Services blind folded now, and they run just fine.  Never really
had much use for a Command Line utility, either.....)

Drew

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 9:04 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net


>after a week long boot camp course, I firmly believe that it's the best
tool for the job

The primary function of boot camp is brainwashing.

;-)

I went to boot camp, I know!

However I agree with you, .net is a VERY powerful tool.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brett Barabash
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 9:41 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net


#2.
When evaluating dev tools for an upcoming project, it became apparent to me
that the new OO capabilities of .NET would be worth the learning curve.

Judging by the developer journals and 3rd party tool developers, I wouldn't
say that it has been "poorly received".  It's getting tough to find VB6
articles in print or online.

I've already gotten into the "which is better" war on this list, so I'll
save it this time.  However, after a week long boot camp course, I firmly
believe that it's the best tool for the job, regardless of how many other
developers agree.


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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 7:45 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net


Richard,

  I think rather then the worrying about the front end, you should be
considering the BE and the technology behind it.  However without knowing a
lot more about your app, it's hard to say if that's critical or not.  Also,
you didn't mention why you were considering moving from developing the FE in
Access itself.

  As for VB.Net, I've been ignoring it for the most part for some of the
same reasons you outline (distribution) plus the fact that it has a large
learning curve.  I can't see spending the time on that when I already have
tools at my disposal that do the job fine. And I'm not the only one. Overall
it seems that .Net has been poorly received by the development community.
Most developers I know are happy (for the most part) with what they already
have/know.  Of course a lot depends on the types of apps you develop and the
end users you target.  I think most of us on this list are on the smaller
end of the scale developing typical business type apps for 50 concurrent
users or less.

  How about a quick un-scientific poll?

1. Do you currently develop in .Net (you know it and use it on a regular
basis)
2. Are you learning .Net for a project (your just starting out with it and
have done a small project or two). 3. Don't know anything about it, but are
interested in it. 4. Could care less.

  I'm firmly at #4 for the moment.

Jim Dettman
(315) 699-3443
jimdettman at earthlink.net

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Griffiths, Richard
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 5:20 AM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net


Hi Group

After advice and thoughts.  I have a piece of commercial software (library
s/ware for schools) written with A97 FE and BE.  I am about to rewrite and
can't decide over VB6 FE/A2K(DAO) BE or VB.net FE / A2K BE.(reason for
change to VB as opposed to MS Access is that the VB footprint will be
smaller 1-2mb [easier to email/download and manage than my 12-13 mb Access
FE]).

On one hand the VB6 route will be quicker to develop (no learning curve) and
I think to deploy. On the other hand VB.Net is the future (most
likely!!)(and learning and developing in this will be more interesting and
will spur me on) but I am concerned (mainly) about deployment as my users
are not very IT literate and their pc's (at this time) are not up-to-date
(some W95 many W98 32-64mb ram - I know .net is no go on W95).  So
deployment of .net requires not only the framework but they need minimal
Data Access 2.7, IE 5.01, Windows installer etc also installed.  But 6-12
months down the line I don't want to be in the posistion that having used
VB6 to then consider rewriting in Vb.net.

What I can't gauge here is how significant these issues are (and any other
issues).  So what I am hoping to get here is how you would approach this
conundrum - tried and tested VB6 or new VB.net?

Thanks

Richard


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From ebarro at afsweb.com  Mon Sep 13 10:22:07 2004
From: ebarro at afsweb.com (Eric Barro)
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 08:22:07 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net
In-Reply-To: <NEBBKADGELICHEJJCKGKGEEOKDAA.jimdettman@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <DPEGIFJOAFKLEDNNDGHCEEEFHCAA.ebarro@afsweb.com>

I'm at #1. Most of what I develop is web-based utilizing ASP.NET and SQL server. I also develop applications in VB6 and MS Access 97 and MS Access 2000 but the majority is .NET.

There is a learning curve and this applies to any programming language. The only way to get really good at it is to learn it inside and out. So the learning curve is a given.

For those contemplating .NET here are some of my personal observations...

1. You can take your VB6 code straight into VB.NET and use the code base by referencing the Microsoft.VisualBasic libraries. That will get you started until you get comfortable rewriting the code to take advantage of .NET's strengths which are outlined in the following points.

2. ADO.NET is way much faster than ADO because of the way the connections are handled.

3. The StringBuilder class addresses one of the weak spots of VB -- string handling. It is faster and more efficient.

4. Has anyone ever used the built-in datagrid control in VB6? Compare that with the datagrid control in .NET and you will realize that the datagrid control in VB6 was a mere prototype. No wonder most VB6 developers avoided it and replaced it with 3rd party controls.

5. You can take the same code and easily transform it into a web-based app as opposed to a windows app.

6. VB.NET and C# (syntax-wise) now look so much more like siblings than they ever did. So you can leverage your VB.NET knowledge and be "conversant" in C#. Performance wise they are now the same since both, when compiled, make use of the Common Language Runtime which is the execution engine for the .NET framework.

7. VB.NET is object oriented programming.

8. As far as application deployment is concerned what can be simpler than having your end-users download and install the .NET framework on their machines? Contrast this with what you currently have with VB6 and the ActiveX/COM interface where you need to ensure that your app, which might be dependent on DLLs and OCXs and OLBs and TLBs, will find those (and mind you...the correct versions too as the ones you used on your development machine) on the users machine?

Those are just some of what I've discovered while developing in .NET.

.NET examples and articles are the majority of what show up when you Google for VB code samples. There are so many examples out on the web that will help you learn the basics and get your feet wet.


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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 5:45 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net


Richard,

  I think rather then the worrying about the front end, you should be
considering the BE and the technology behind it.  However without knowing a
lot more about your app, it's hard to say if that's critical or not.  Also,
you didn't mention why you were considering moving from developing the FE in
Access itself.

  As for VB.Net, I've been ignoring it for the most part for some of the
same reasons you outline (distribution) plus the fact that it has a large
learning curve.  I can't see spending the time on that when I already have
tools at my disposal that do the job fine. And I'm not the only one.
Overall it seems that .Net has been poorly received by the development
community.  Most developers I know are happy (for the most part) with what
they already have/know.  Of course a lot depends on the types of apps you
develop and the end users you target.  I think most of us on this list are
on the smaller end of the scale developing typical business type apps for 50
concurrent users or less.

  How about a quick un-scientific poll?

1. Do you currently develop in .Net (you know it and use it on a regular
basis)
2. Are you learning .Net for a project (your just starting out with it and
have done a small project or two).
3. Don't know anything about it, but are interested in it.
4. Could care less.

  I'm firmly at #4 for the moment.

Jim Dettman
(315) 699-3443
jimdettman at earthlink.net

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Griffiths,
Richard
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 5:20 AM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net


Hi Group

After advice and thoughts.  I have a piece of commercial software (library
s/ware for schools) written with A97 FE and BE.  I am about to rewrite and
can't decide over VB6 FE/A2K(DAO) BE or VB.net FE / A2K BE.(reason for
change to VB as opposed to MS Access is that the VB footprint will be
smaller 1-2mb [easier to email/download and manage than my 12-13 mb Access
FE]).

On one hand the VB6 route will be quicker to develop (no learning curve) and
I think to deploy. On the other hand VB.Net is the future (most
likely!!)(and learning and developing in this will be more interesting and
will spur me on) but I am concerned (mainly) about deployment as my users
are not very IT literate and their pc's (at this time) are not up-to-date
(some W95 many W98 32-64mb ram - I know .net is no go on W95).  So
deployment of .net requires not only the framework but they need minimal
Data Access 2.7, IE 5.01, Windows installer etc also installed.  But 6-12
months down the line I don't want to be in the posistion that having used
VB6 to then consider rewriting in Vb.net.

What I can't gauge here is how significant these issues are (and any other
issues).  So what I am hoping to get here is how you would approach this
conundrum - tried and tested VB6 or new VB.net?

Thanks

Richard



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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Sep 13 10:24:14 2004
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 11:24:14 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net
In-Reply-To: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8031BB36C@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <002601c499a5$bdb11850$e8dafea9@ColbyM6805>

I'm not a vb6 programmer so I can't comment on that.  However I am talking
about prebuilt classes to do things.  Look at the collection classes as an
example.  The class can be subclassed, but already has a ton of stuff
already there.  Also wrappers to windows API stuff.  Things like encryption,
and the like.  I know it's a huge thing to learn but there are TONS of
classes (end user classes) that allow you to do things natively that you'd
be out searching the web for code to do in VB or Access.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of DWUTKA at marlow.com
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 10:59 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net


Just curious JC, other then inheritance, what else have you found that make
.NET that much more powerful then VB?  I honestly didn't see anything.  I
want to know if I'm completely ignoring other capabilities.  (I know about
.Net's ability to create an NT Service and Command Line utility, but I write
VB 6.0 NT Services blind folded now, and they run just fine.  Never really
had much use for a Command Line utility, either.....)

Drew

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 9:04 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net


>after a week long boot camp course, I firmly believe that it's the best
tool for the job

The primary function of boot camp is brainwashing.

;-)

I went to boot camp, I know!

However I agree with you, .net is a VERY powerful tool.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brett Barabash
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 9:41 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net


#2.
When evaluating dev tools for an upcoming project, it became apparent to me
that the new OO capabilities of .NET would be worth the learning curve.

Judging by the developer journals and 3rd party tool developers, I wouldn't
say that it has been "poorly received".  It's getting tough to find VB6
articles in print or online.

I've already gotten into the "which is better" war on this list, so I'll
save it this time.  However, after a week long boot camp course, I firmly
believe that it's the best tool for the job, regardless of how many other
developers agree.


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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 7:45 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net


Richard,

  I think rather then the worrying about the front end, you should be
considering the BE and the technology behind it.  However without knowing a
lot more about your app, it's hard to say if that's critical or not.  Also,
you didn't mention why you were considering moving from developing the FE in
Access itself.

  As for VB.Net, I've been ignoring it for the most part for some of the
same reasons you outline (distribution) plus the fact that it has a large
learning curve.  I can't see spending the time on that when I already have
tools at my disposal that do the job fine. And I'm not the only one. Overall
it seems that .Net has been poorly received by the development community.
Most developers I know are happy (for the most part) with what they already
have/know.  Of course a lot depends on the types of apps you develop and the
end users you target.  I think most of us on this list are on the smaller
end of the scale developing typical business type apps for 50 concurrent
users or less.

  How about a quick un-scientific poll?

1. Do you currently develop in .Net (you know it and use it on a regular
basis)
2. Are you learning .Net for a project (your just starting out with it and
have done a small project or two). 3. Don't know anything about it, but are
interested in it. 4. Could care less.

  I'm firmly at #4 for the moment.

Jim Dettman
(315) 699-3443
jimdettman at earthlink.net

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Griffiths, Richard
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 5:20 AM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net


Hi Group

After advice and thoughts.  I have a piece of commercial software (library
s/ware for schools) written with A97 FE and BE.  I am about to rewrite and
can't decide over VB6 FE/A2K(DAO) BE or VB.net FE / A2K BE.(reason for
change to VB as opposed to MS Access is that the VB footprint will be
smaller 1-2mb [easier to email/download and manage than my 12-13 mb Access
FE]).

On one hand the VB6 route will be quicker to develop (no learning curve) and
I think to deploy. On the other hand VB.Net is the future (most
likely!!)(and learning and developing in this will be more interesting and
will spur me on) but I am concerned (mainly) about deployment as my users
are not very IT literate and their pc's (at this time) are not up-to-date
(some W95 many W98 32-64mb ram - I know .net is no go on W95).  So
deployment of .net requires not only the framework but they need minimal
Data Access 2.7, IE 5.01, Windows installer etc also installed.  But 6-12
months down the line I don't want to be in the posistion that having used
VB6 to then consider rewriting in Vb.net.

What I can't gauge here is how significant these issues are (and any other
issues).  So what I am hoping to get here is how you would approach this
conundrum - tried and tested VB6 or new VB.net?

Thanks

Richard


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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Mon Sep 13 10:40:52 2004
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 10:40:52 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net
In-Reply-To: <25635600.1095083235247.JavaMail.root@sniper7.usinternet.com>
Message-ID: <001001c499a8$0d773c50$de1811d8@danwaters>

Richard - I assumed that you had compacted, and hadn't thought of making
this an MDE.  

Now that you've done that, try compressing with WinZip or something similar.
Or, you can right-click the file, select Send To, then select Compressed
(zipped) Folder.  Might help!

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Griffiths,
Richard
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 8:37 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net

Dan
Its been compacted and mde'd - reports etc take up space (I know I could
write a separate FE for reports but this is what I am trying to avoid -
using VB and crystal allows new reports to be send quickly and easily for
example)
thanks
Richard


-----Original Message-----
From:	Dan Waters [mailto:dwaters at usinternet.com]
Sent:	Mon 13/09/2004 12:46
To:	'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Cc:	
Subject:	RE: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net

Richard,

I've recently seen that whenever I compress a database FE, the compressed
size is 20% - 25% of its original size.  This would make emailing a FE a bit
easier.

Dan Waters

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Griffiths,
Richard
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 4:20 AM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net

Hi Group

After advice and thoughts.  I have a piece of commercial software (library
s/ware for schools) written with A97 FE and BE.  I am about to rewrite and
can't decide over VB6 FE/A2K(DAO) BE or VB.net FE / A2K BE.(reason for
change to VB as opposed to MS Access is that the VB footprint will be
smaller 1-2mb [easier to email/download and manage than my 12-13 mb Access
FE]).

On one hand the VB6 route will be quicker to develop (no learning curve) and
I think to deploy. On the other hand VB.Net is the future (most
likely!!)(and learning and developing in this will be more interesting and
will spur me on) but I am concerned (mainly) about deployment as my users
are not very IT literate and their pc's (at this time) are not up-to-date
(some W95 many W98 32-64mb ram - I know .net is no go on W95).  So
deployment of .net requires not only the framework but they need minimal
Data Access 2.7, IE 5.01, Windows installer etc also installed.  But 6-12
months down the line I don't want to be in the posistion that having used
VB6 to then consider rewriting in Vb.net.

What I can't gauge here is how significant these issues are (and any other
issues).  So what I am hoping to get here is how you would approach this
conundrum - tried and tested VB6 or new VB.net?

Thanks 

Richard



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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Sep 13 10:58:17 2004
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 08:58:17 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Section is a Reserved Word? How to refer to a Field
	ofThat Name
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8665184C@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Forms have a section property, so you are probably colliding with that
when you try to set a value, especially with the syntax shown in your
example.  You're referring to the controls as members of an unspecified
collection rather than using the bang (!) to specify the controls.  If
you do that with Section, the jet engine is going to assume you're
trying to set a section property and object to the fact that you haven't
specified WHICH section (i.e., the missing argument).

Access 2000 and up really don't appreciate a field called Section.  We
had to change fields with that name in all our apps when we migrated.
The only way to get around the problem that I know of in code is to use
something like [Forms]![MyForm]![Section] for the form, and
rst.Fields("Section") for a recordset.  You should talk to your DBA
about changing that field name before it gives you more headaches.

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Nicholson, Karen [mailto:cyx5 at cdc.gov] 
Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 12:19 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Section is a Reserved Word? How to refer to a Field
ofThat Name


This code works and compiles just fine:

        If ([Forms]![frmASRSSectInit].[RequestType] <> "site audit" _
        And [Forms]![frmASRSSectInit].[Status] = "Open" _
        And [Forms]![frmASRSSectInit].[ysnCBRNTest] = 0 _
        And Not IsNull([Forms]![frmASRSSectInit].[ASSectCompletedDate]))
_
        And IsNull([Forms]![frmASRSSectInit].[CBRN_FinalTestReport]) _
        Then
        [Forms]![frmASRSSectInit].[ysnCBRNTest] = -1
        End If

However, there is a numeric field in my table and on my form named:
Section.  It must be a reserved word, because when I change the code to
specify that the section should equal 2, I get a compile error, argument
not optional.  Yikes!  A Friday headache is upon me.  What ever can I do
to get around this?  I can't change the field name as it is an SQL
backend and the damn would break.

        If ([Forms]![frmASRSSectInit].[RequestType] <> "site audit" _
        And [Forms]![frmASRSSectInit].[Status] = "Open" _
        And [Forms]![frmASRSSectInit].[ysnCBRNTest] = 0 _
        And [Forms]![frmASRSSectInit].[Section] = 1 _
        And Not IsNull([Forms]![frmASRSSectInit].[ASSectCompletedDate]))
_
        And IsNull([Forms]![frmASRSSectInit].[CBRN_FinalTestReport]) _
        Then
        [Forms]![frmASRSSectInit].[ysnCBRNTest] = -1
        End If

Karen Nicholson
National Laboratory
Xerox Global Services


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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Sep 13 11:05:37 2004
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 09:05:37 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312A53@infoserver01.infostat.local>

<snip>

>>  How about a quick un-scientific poll?

I'm somewhere between #1 and #2.  I'm modifying a web-based app another
developer started in order to get my feet wet and get my brain more
firmly wrapped around VB.Net.  I won't say I know it, but I'm learning
as I go.  Our company has made the decision to move to .Net as Access
becomes more firmly positioned as an end-user tool rather than a
development platform.  I disagree with Microsoft in that respect, and
I'll keep working with Access as well, but I also see the handwriting on
the wall.

Charlotte Foust



From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Sep 13 11:25:32 2004
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence (AccessD))
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 09:25:32 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net
In-Reply-To: <F37DAC9A2964B144A2973EBCA8C54DBDABD3D0@BURY2K23.bury.gov.uk>
Message-ID: <FJEJLIPOMCGJALMGLLLICEKMCGAA.accessd@shaw.ca>

Hi Richard:

IMHO the best choice would be VB.NET. The main concern I would have was
about the reporting issues and that it will most likely require a
third-party piece of software if the reports are complicated.

HTH
Jim

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Griffiths,
Richard
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 2:20 AM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net


Hi Group

After advice and thoughts.  I have a piece of commercial software (library
s/ware for schools) written with A97 FE and BE.  I am about to rewrite and
can't decide over VB6 FE/A2K(DAO) BE or VB.net FE / A2K BE.(reason for
change to VB as opposed to MS Access is that the VB footprint will be
smaller 1-2mb [easier to email/download and manage than my 12-13 mb Access
FE]).

On one hand the VB6 route will be quicker to develop (no learning curve) and
I think to deploy. On the other hand VB.Net is the future (most
likely!!)(and learning and developing in this will be more interesting and
will spur me on) but I am concerned (mainly) about deployment as my users
are not very IT literate and their pc's (at this time) are not up-to-date
(some W95 many W98 32-64mb ram - I know .net is no go on W95).  So
deployment of .net requires not only the framework but they need minimal
Data Access 2.7, IE 5.01, Windows installer etc also installed.  But 6-12
months down the line I don't want to be in the posistion that having used
VB6 to then consider rewriting in Vb.net.

What I can't gauge here is how significant these issues are (and any other
issues).  So what I am hoping to get here is how you would approach this
conundrum - tried and tested VB6 or new VB.net?

Thanks

Richard



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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Sep 13 11:54:19 2004
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 09:54:19 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312A59@infoserver01.infostat.local>

We decided on Active Reports, and we really like them.  A lot of their
functionality,  like the subreports, is very similar to Access reports.

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Lawrence (AccessD) [mailto:accessd at shaw.ca] 
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 9:26 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net


Hi Richard:

IMHO the best choice would be VB.NET. The main concern I would have was
about the reporting issues and that it will most likely require a
third-party piece of software if the reports are complicated.

HTH
Jim

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Griffiths,
Richard
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 2:20 AM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net


Hi Group

After advice and thoughts.  I have a piece of commercial software
(library s/ware for schools) written with A97 FE and BE.  I am about to
rewrite and can't decide over VB6 FE/A2K(DAO) BE or VB.net FE / A2K
BE.(reason for change to VB as opposed to MS Access is that the VB
footprint will be smaller 1-2mb [easier to email/download and manage
than my 12-13 mb Access FE]).

On one hand the VB6 route will be quicker to develop (no learning curve)
and I think to deploy. On the other hand VB.Net is the future (most
likely!!)(and learning and developing in this will be more interesting
and will spur me on) but I am concerned (mainly) about deployment as my
users are not very IT literate and their pc's (at this time) are not
up-to-date (some W95 many W98 32-64mb ram - I know .net is no go on
W95).  So deployment of .net requires not only the framework but they
need minimal Data Access 2.7, IE 5.01, Windows installer etc also
installed.  But 6-12 months down the line I don't want to be in the
posistion that having used VB6 to then consider rewriting in Vb.net.

What I can't gauge here is how significant these issues are (and any
other issues).  So what I am hoping to get here is how you would
approach this conundrum - tried and tested VB6 or new VB.net?

Thanks

Richard



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From ssharkins at bellsouth.net  Mon Sep 13 12:45:40 2004
From: ssharkins at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 13:45:40 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: OE question
Message-ID: <009a01c499b9$995a7be0$9865fea9@BILLONE>

I'm using OE temporarily -- it won't allow attachments. I don't remember having this problem when I used it a few years ago. I've checked Help, the options -- how can I get my attachments? 

Susan H. 

From jimdettman at earthlink.net  Mon Sep 13 12:55:48 2004
From: jimdettman at earthlink.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 13:55:48 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net
In-Reply-To: <100F91B31300334B89EC531C9DCB0865065942@tccexch01.tappeconstruction.net>
Message-ID: <NEBBKADGELICHEJJCKGKKEGBKDAA.jimdettman@earthlink.net>

Brett,

<<When evaluating dev tools for an upcoming project, it became apparent to
me that the new OO capabilities of .NET would be worth the learning
curve.>>

  I was in the same place several years ago.  .Net was brand new and not
much was around. I also wanted to get a standalone .EXE, get away from
reference headaches with Access, etc.  So I picked up VFP (Visual FoxPro).
I must say I was disappointed at first because so many people I spoke with
raved about it.  While it had very strong database and OO capabilities, some
of it was just plain junk.  That's changed quite a bit as Microsoft has
continued to add to the product.  It has released two major versions since
then with a third on the way.  It too had a steep learning curve.

<<Judging by the developer journals and 3rd party tool developers, I
wouldn't say that it has been "poorly received".  It's getting tough to
find VB6 articles in print or online.>>

  I said that in light of the fact that .Net has been around for several
years now and yet very few shops use it or are just getting into using it.
Even Microsoft has said publicly that the response has been poor.  They had
to back off the whole .Net centric campaign and have refocused once again.
And while that may have born some fruit, it seems for the most part that
.Net is still not main stream.

<<I've already gotten into the "which is better" war on this list, so I'll
save it this time.  However, after a week long boot camp course, I
firmly believe that it's the best tool for the job, regardless of how
many other developers agree.>>

  Been there done that<g> and this isn't about that.  I was mainly curious
if .Net was catching on down in the trenches or still ho-hum.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Brett Barabash
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 9:41 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net


#2.
When evaluating dev tools for an upcoming project, it became apparent to
me that the new OO capabilities of .NET would be worth the learning
curve.

Judging by the developer journals and 3rd party tool developers, I
wouldn't say that it has been "poorly received".  It's getting tough to
find VB6 articles in print or online.

I've already gotten into the "which is better" war on this list, so I'll
save it this time.  However, after a week long boot camp course, I
firmly believe that it's the best tool for the job, regardless of how
many other developers agree.


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 7:45 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net


Richard,

  I think rather then the worrying about the front end, you should be
considering the BE and the technology behind it.  However without
knowing a lot more about your app, it's hard to say if that's critical
or not.  Also, you didn't mention why you were considering moving from
developing the FE in Access itself.

  As for VB.Net, I've been ignoring it for the most part for some of the
same reasons you outline (distribution) plus the fact that it has a
large learning curve.  I can't see spending the time on that when I
already have tools at my disposal that do the job fine. And I'm not the
only one.
Overall it seems that .Net has been poorly received by the development
community.  Most developers I know are happy (for the most part) with
what they already have/know.  Of course a lot depends on the types of
apps you develop and the end users you target.  I think most of us on
this list are on the smaller end of the scale developing typical
business type apps for 50 concurrent users or less.

  How about a quick un-scientific poll?

1. Do you currently develop in .Net (you know it and use it on a regular
basis)
2. Are you learning .Net for a project (your just starting out with it
and have done a small project or two).
3. Don't know anything about it, but are interested in it.
4. Could care less.

  I'm firmly at #4 for the moment.

Jim Dettman
(315) 699-3443
jimdettman at earthlink.net

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Griffiths,
Richard
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 5:20 AM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net


Hi Group

After advice and thoughts.  I have a piece of commercial software
(library s/ware for schools) written with A97 FE and BE.  I am about to
rewrite and can't decide over VB6 FE/A2K(DAO) BE or VB.net FE / A2K
BE.(reason for change to VB as opposed to MS Access is that the VB
footprint will be smaller 1-2mb [easier to email/download and manage
than my 12-13 mb Access FE]).

On one hand the VB6 route will be quicker to develop (no learning curve)
and I think to deploy. On the other hand VB.Net is the future (most
likely!!)(and learning and developing in this will be more interesting
and will spur me on) but I am concerned (mainly) about deployment as my
users are not very IT literate and their pc's (at this time) are not
up-to-date (some W95 many W98 32-64mb ram - I know .net is no go on
W95).  So deployment of .net requires not only the framework but they
need minimal Data Access 2.7, IE 5.01, Windows installer etc also
installed.  But 6-12 months down the line I don't want to be in the
posistion that having used
VB6 to then consider rewriting in Vb.net.

What I can't gauge here is how significant these issues are (and any
other issues).  So what I am hoping to get here is how you would
approach this conundrum - tried and tested VB6 or new VB.net?

Thanks

Richard


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From Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org  Mon Sep 13 13:01:51 2004
From: Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 14:01:51 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: OE question
Message-ID: <08F823FD83787D4BA0B99CA580AD3C74089B99@TTNEXCHCL2.hshhp.com>

Susan,

I can't recall the command but if you find the Options dialog you can enable allowing attachments from there.  If you can't find it what I did until I found it was forward the message (but don't send) then open the attachnent from your unforwarded forward.

Jim DeMarco

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Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 1:46 PM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] OT: OE question


I'm using OE temporarily -- it won't allow attachments. I don't remember having this problem when I used it a few years ago. I've checked Help, the options -- how can I get my attachments? 

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From cyx5 at cdc.gov  Mon Sep 13 13:08:10 2004
From: cyx5 at cdc.gov (Nicholson, Karen)
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 14:08:10 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Section is a Reserved Word? How to refer to a
	FieldofThat Name
Message-ID: <A5B5AA20555F594BA7B6BD2048E49E4384B419@m-niosh-5.niosh.cdc.gov>

I have spent the last 1.5 years doing nothin' but SQL.  Now I have a new
job and I am taking about ten or eleven bad bad Access 2002 FE's with
SQL 2000 BE's and converting a million macros to code, fixing the flat
as a board data structure, etc.  I guess I have forgotten some things
about Access during my time away from it.  I am getting back on board
and having some fun.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 11:58 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Section is a Reserved Word? How to refer to a
FieldofThat Name


Forms have a section property, so you are probably colliding with that
when you try to set a value, especially with the syntax shown in your
example.  You're referring to the controls as members of an unspecified
collection rather than using the bang (!) to specify the controls.  If
you do that with Section, the jet engine is going to assume you're
trying to set a section property and object to the fact that you haven't
specified WHICH section (i.e., the missing argument).

Access 2000 and up really don't appreciate a field called Section.  We
had to change fields with that name in all our apps when we migrated.
The only way to get around the problem that I know of in code is to use
something like [Forms]![MyForm]![Section] for the form, and
rst.Fields("Section") for a recordset.  You should talk to your DBA
about changing that field name before it gives you more headaches.

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Nicholson, Karen [mailto:cyx5 at cdc.gov] 
Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 12:19 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Section is a Reserved Word? How to refer to a Field
ofThat Name


This code works and compiles just fine:

        If ([Forms]![frmASRSSectInit].[RequestType] <> "site audit" _
        And [Forms]![frmASRSSectInit].[Status] = "Open" _
        And [Forms]![frmASRSSectInit].[ysnCBRNTest] = 0 _
        And Not IsNull([Forms]![frmASRSSectInit].[ASSectCompletedDate]))
_
        And IsNull([Forms]![frmASRSSectInit].[CBRN_FinalTestReport]) _
        Then
        [Forms]![frmASRSSectInit].[ysnCBRNTest] = -1
        End If

However, there is a numeric field in my table and on my form named:
Section.  It must be a reserved word, because when I change the code to
specify that the section should equal 2, I get a compile error, argument
not optional.  Yikes!  A Friday headache is upon me.  What ever can I do
to get around this?  I can't change the field name as it is an SQL
backend and the damn would break.

        If ([Forms]![frmASRSSectInit].[RequestType] <> "site audit" _
        And [Forms]![frmASRSSectInit].[Status] = "Open" _
        And [Forms]![frmASRSSectInit].[ysnCBRNTest] = 0 _
        And [Forms]![frmASRSSectInit].[Section] = 1 _
        And Not IsNull([Forms]![frmASRSSectInit].[ASSectCompletedDate]))
_
        And IsNull([Forms]![frmASRSSectInit].[CBRN_FinalTestReport]) _
        Then
        [Forms]![frmASRSSectInit].[ysnCBRNTest] = -1
        End If

Karen Nicholson
National Laboratory
Xerox Global Services


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From carbonnb at gmail.com  Mon Sep 13 13:11:43 2004
From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 14:11:43 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: OE question
In-Reply-To: <009a01c499b9$995a7be0$9865fea9@BILLONE>
References: <009a01c499b9$995a7be0$9865fea9@BILLONE>
Message-ID: <e04a6c92040913111122646223@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, 13 Sep 2004 13:45:40 -0400, Susan Harkins
<ssharkins at bellsouth.net> wrote:
> I'm using OE temporarily -- it won't allow attachments. I don't remember having this problem when I used it a few years ago. I've checked Help, the options -- how can I get my attachments?

http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=329570 will give you the steps to
get at your attachments.

-- 
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preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
shouting "What a great ride!"


From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Sep 13 13:24:43 2004
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 11:24:43 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312A5B@infoserver01.infostat.local>

It's catching on in *our* trenches!  I like working with it and our next
major versions are going to be all VB.Net in part because it allows us
to do things the clients want but that would have been difficult to
impossible in Access.  And it allows us to build Web-based interfaces
for clients who want them without having to write different code for the
Windows-based and web-based interfaces.  I think that's worth the
learning curve.

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Dettman [mailto:jimdettman at earthlink.net] 
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 10:56 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net


Brett,

<<When evaluating dev tools for an upcoming project, it became apparent
to me that the new OO capabilities of .NET would be worth the learning
curve.>>

  I was in the same place several years ago.  .Net was brand new and not
much was around. I also wanted to get a standalone .EXE, get away from
reference headaches with Access, etc.  So I picked up VFP (Visual
FoxPro). I must say I was disappointed at first because so many people I
spoke with raved about it.  While it had very strong database and OO
capabilities, some of it was just plain junk.  That's changed quite a
bit as Microsoft has continued to add to the product.  It has released
two major versions since then with a third on the way.  It too had a
steep learning curve.

<<Judging by the developer journals and 3rd party tool developers, I
wouldn't say that it has been "poorly received".  It's getting tough to
find VB6 articles in print or online.>>

  I said that in light of the fact that .Net has been around for several
years now and yet very few shops use it or are just getting into using
it. Even Microsoft has said publicly that the response has been poor.
They had to back off the whole .Net centric campaign and have refocused
once again. And while that may have born some fruit, it seems for the
most part that .Net is still not main stream.

<<I've already gotten into the "which is better" war on this list, so
I'll save it this time.  However, after a week long boot camp course, I
firmly believe that it's the best tool for the job, regardless of how
many other developers agree.>>

  Been there done that<g> and this isn't about that.  I was mainly
curious if .Net was catching on down in the trenches or still ho-hum.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Brett Barabash
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 9:41 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net


#2.
When evaluating dev tools for an upcoming project, it became apparent to
me that the new OO capabilities of .NET would be worth the learning
curve.

Judging by the developer journals and 3rd party tool developers, I
wouldn't say that it has been "poorly received".  It's getting tough to
find VB6 articles in print or online.

I've already gotten into the "which is better" war on this list, so I'll
save it this time.  However, after a week long boot camp course, I
firmly believe that it's the best tool for the job, regardless of how
many other developers agree.


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 7:45 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net


Richard,

  I think rather then the worrying about the front end, you should be
considering the BE and the technology behind it.  However without
knowing a lot more about your app, it's hard to say if that's critical
or not.  Also, you didn't mention why you were considering moving from
developing the FE in Access itself.

  As for VB.Net, I've been ignoring it for the most part for some of the
same reasons you outline (distribution) plus the fact that it has a
large learning curve.  I can't see spending the time on that when I
already have tools at my disposal that do the job fine. And I'm not the
only one. Overall it seems that .Net has been poorly received by the
development community.  Most developers I know are happy (for the most
part) with what they already have/know.  Of course a lot depends on the
types of apps you develop and the end users you target.  I think most of
us on this list are on the smaller end of the scale developing typical
business type apps for 50 concurrent users or less.

  How about a quick un-scientific poll?

1. Do you currently develop in .Net (you know it and use it on a regular
basis)
2. Are you learning .Net for a project (your just starting out with it
and have done a small project or two). 3. Don't know anything about it,
but are interested in it. 4. Could care less.

  I'm firmly at #4 for the moment.

Jim Dettman
(315) 699-3443
jimdettman at earthlink.net

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Griffiths,
Richard
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 5:20 AM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net


Hi Group

After advice and thoughts.  I have a piece of commercial software
(library s/ware for schools) written with A97 FE and BE.  I am about to
rewrite and can't decide over VB6 FE/A2K(DAO) BE or VB.net FE / A2K
BE.(reason for change to VB as opposed to MS Access is that the VB
footprint will be smaller 1-2mb [easier to email/download and manage
than my 12-13 mb Access FE]).

On one hand the VB6 route will be quicker to develop (no learning curve)
and I think to deploy. On the other hand VB.Net is the future (most
likely!!)(and learning and developing in this will be more interesting
and will spur me on) but I am concerned (mainly) about deployment as my
users are not very IT literate and their pc's (at this time) are not
up-to-date (some W95 many W98 32-64mb ram - I know .net is no go on
W95).  So deployment of .net requires not only the framework but they
need minimal Data Access 2.7, IE 5.01, Windows installer etc also
installed.  But 6-12 months down the line I don't want to be in the
posistion that having used VB6 to then consider rewriting in Vb.net.

What I can't gauge here is how significant these issues are (and any
other issues).  So what I am hoping to get here is how you would
approach this conundrum - tried and tested VB6 or new VB.net?

Thanks

Richard


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From pharold at proftesting.com  Mon Sep 13 13:45:32 2004
From: pharold at proftesting.com (Perry Harold)
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 14:45:32 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: OE question
In-Reply-To: <009a01c499b9$995a7be0$9865fea9@BILLONE>
Message-ID: <000a01c499c1$d96d18c0$082da8c0@D58BT131>

In Options, Security tab is a check box to allow or disallow attachments.

Perry Harold

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 1:46 PM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] OT: OE question


I'm using OE temporarily -- it won't allow attachments. I don't remember
having this problem when I used it a few years ago. I've checked Help, the
options -- how can I get my attachments? 

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From pharold at proftesting.com  Mon Sep 13 13:46:51 2004
From: pharold at proftesting.com (Perry Harold)
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 14:46:51 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: OE question
In-Reply-To: <009a01c499b9$995a7be0$9865fea9@BILLONE>
Message-ID: <000b01c499c2$0885ad20$082da8c0@D58BT131>

Sorry

Tools, Options, Security then check or uncheck box.

Perry Harold

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Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 1:46 PM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] OT: OE question


I'm using OE temporarily -- it won't allow attachments. I don't remember
having this problem when I used it a few years ago. I've checked Help, the
options -- how can I get my attachments? 

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From Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org  Mon Sep 13 14:18:03 2004
From: Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 15:18:03 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net
Message-ID: <08F823FD83787D4BA0B99CA580AD3C74089B9A@TTNEXCHCL2.hshhp.com>

FWIW and not to take anything away from .NET but you *can* use the same data access and biz rules code in VB and ASP apps via compliled code (aka dlls).  One big plus for .NET in this arena is that a lot of the display code is either the same or similar between ASP.NET apps and WinForms apps (just look at the code to bind your data to a web grid or windows data grid. It's virtually the same).

Jim DeMarco

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 2:25 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net


It's catching on in *our* trenches!  I like working with it and our next
major versions are going to be all VB.Net in part because it allows us
to do things the clients want but that would have been difficult to
impossible in Access.  And it allows us to build Web-based interfaces
for clients who want them without having to write different code for the
Windows-based and web-based interfaces.  I think that's worth the
learning curve.

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Dettman [mailto:jimdettman at earthlink.net] 
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 10:56 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net


Brett,

<<When evaluating dev tools for an upcoming project, it became apparent
to me that the new OO capabilities of .NET would be worth the learning
curve.>>

  I was in the same place several years ago.  .Net was brand new and not
much was around. I also wanted to get a standalone .EXE, get away from
reference headaches with Access, etc.  So I picked up VFP (Visual
FoxPro). I must say I was disappointed at first because so many people I
spoke with raved about it.  While it had very strong database and OO
capabilities, some of it was just plain junk.  That's changed quite a
bit as Microsoft has continued to add to the product.  It has released
two major versions since then with a third on the way.  It too had a
steep learning curve.

<<Judging by the developer journals and 3rd party tool developers, I
wouldn't say that it has been "poorly received".  It's getting tough to
find VB6 articles in print or online.>>

  I said that in light of the fact that .Net has been around for several
years now and yet very few shops use it or are just getting into using
it. Even Microsoft has said publicly that the response has been poor.
They had to back off the whole .Net centric campaign and have refocused
once again. And while that may have born some fruit, it seems for the
most part that .Net is still not main stream.

<<I've already gotten into the "which is better" war on this list, so
I'll save it this time.  However, after a week long boot camp course, I
firmly believe that it's the best tool for the job, regardless of how
many other developers agree.>>

  Been there done that<g> and this isn't about that.  I was mainly
curious if .Net was catching on down in the trenches or still ho-hum.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Brett Barabash
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 9:41 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net


#2.
When evaluating dev tools for an upcoming project, it became apparent to
me that the new OO capabilities of .NET would be worth the learning
curve.

Judging by the developer journals and 3rd party tool developers, I
wouldn't say that it has been "poorly received".  It's getting tough to
find VB6 articles in print or online.

I've already gotten into the "which is better" war on this list, so I'll
save it this time.  However, after a week long boot camp course, I
firmly believe that it's the best tool for the job, regardless of how
many other developers agree.


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 7:45 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net


Richard,

  I think rather then the worrying about the front end, you should be
considering the BE and the technology behind it.  However without
knowing a lot more about your app, it's hard to say if that's critical
or not.  Also, you didn't mention why you were considering moving from
developing the FE in Access itself.

  As for VB.Net, I've been ignoring it for the most part for some of the
same reasons you outline (distribution) plus the fact that it has a
large learning curve.  I can't see spending the time on that when I
already have tools at my disposal that do the job fine. And I'm not the
only one. Overall it seems that .Net has been poorly received by the
development community.  Most developers I know are happy (for the most
part) with what they already have/know.  Of course a lot depends on the
types of apps you develop and the end users you target.  I think most of
us on this list are on the smaller end of the scale developing typical
business type apps for 50 concurrent users or less.

  How about a quick un-scientific poll?

1. Do you currently develop in .Net (you know it and use it on a regular
basis)
2. Are you learning .Net for a project (your just starting out with it
and have done a small project or two). 3. Don't know anything about it,
but are interested in it. 4. Could care less.

  I'm firmly at #4 for the moment.

Jim Dettman
(315) 699-3443
jimdettman at earthlink.net

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Griffiths,
Richard
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 5:20 AM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net


Hi Group

After advice and thoughts.  I have a piece of commercial software
(library s/ware for schools) written with A97 FE and BE.  I am about to
rewrite and can't decide over VB6 FE/A2K(DAO) BE or VB.net FE / A2K
BE.(reason for change to VB as opposed to MS Access is that the VB
footprint will be smaller 1-2mb [easier to email/download and manage
than my 12-13 mb Access FE]).

On one hand the VB6 route will be quicker to develop (no learning curve)
and I think to deploy. On the other hand VB.Net is the future (most
likely!!)(and learning and developing in this will be more interesting
and will spur me on) but I am concerned (mainly) about deployment as my
users are not very IT literate and their pc's (at this time) are not
up-to-date (some W95 many W98 32-64mb ram - I know .net is no go on
W95).  So deployment of .net requires not only the framework but they
need minimal Data Access 2.7, IE 5.01, Windows installer etc also
installed.  But 6-12 months down the line I don't want to be in the
posistion that having used VB6 to then consider rewriting in Vb.net.

What I can't gauge here is how significant these issues are (and any
other issues).  So what I am hoping to get here is how you would
approach this conundrum - tried and tested VB6 or new VB.net?

Thanks

Richard


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From ssharkins at bellsouth.net  Mon Sep 13 13:28:17 2004
From: ssharkins at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 14:28:17 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: OE question
References: <08F823FD83787D4BA0B99CA580AD3C74089B99@TTNEXCHCL2.hshhp.com>
Message-ID: <002701c499c7$efceb6e0$9865fea9@BILLONE>

Thanks jim -- I did find it on Options -- Security -- don't know how I
missed it before, but I did. Thanks!

Susan H.


> Susan,
>
> I can't recall the command but if you find the Options dialog you can
enable allowing attachments from there.  If you can't find it what I did
until I found it was forward the message (but don't send) then open the
attachnent from your unforwarded forward.
>
> Jim DeMarco
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> I'm using OE temporarily -- it won't allow attachments. I don't remember
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Mon Sep 13 15:42:03 2004
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (DWUTKA at marlow.com)
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 15:42:03 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8031BB36D@main2.marlow.com>

I think it's a matter of perception and scope.  API's are second nature to
me, so I don't see 'new' features of .Net, I just see repackaged
capabilities.  If you don't use API's (and know how to find them....(easiest
way is to find one, and go up the tree and save it in Favorites as a
Bookmark)), then you 'see' new features of .Net as new capabilities, instead
of repackaged API's.  Take the FileScriptingObject.  Just a wrapper.  A lot
of what VB has native is faster then FSO, and with the API's, it's even
faster (and more powerful).  Case in point, Mike Mattys and I worked on a
site together, which displays pictures of properties based on the MLS
numbers.  All of the pictures started with their MLS number, but could have
anything after it (1, 4,6,whatever....).  The site had to be in true ASP (no
VB .dll's....though in retrospect, that condition disappeared...grin, cause
I'm hosting the site....).  In ASP, Dir is not an option.  And in FSO, you
can't 'search' for a conditional file.  So if I wanted to find all of the
pics for MLS 12345, with VB, I would use strTemp=Dir("C:\MyPath\12345*.jpg")
and just repeat that until it returned an empty string.  With FSO, I had two
approaches.  I had to try to find every possible 'combination', (12345-1,
12345-2), etc, and that took a while, with all of the files in the same
folder.  (because it went and loaded the files in the Files collection).
Dir didn't have that problem.  What I ended up doing was to just create an
'update' process that sorted everything into it's own subfolders.  A lot
more time on the update process, but it allowed the FSO to open a specific
folder with only the applicable files.

Same with .Net, they may be prepackaging everything, but don't be surprised
if certain functionality isn't actually there....

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 10:24 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net


I'm not a vb6 programmer so I can't comment on that.  However I am talking
about prebuilt classes to do things.  Look at the collection classes as an
example.  The class can be subclassed, but already has a ton of stuff
already there.  Also wrappers to windows API stuff.  Things like encryption,
and the like.  I know it's a huge thing to learn but there are TONS of
classes (end user classes) that allow you to do things natively that you'd
be out searching the web for code to do in VB or Access.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of DWUTKA at marlow.com
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 10:59 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net


Just curious JC, other then inheritance, what else have you found that make
.NET that much more powerful then VB?  I honestly didn't see anything.  I
want to know if I'm completely ignoring other capabilities.  (I know about
.Net's ability to create an NT Service and Command Line utility, but I write
VB 6.0 NT Services blind folded now, and they run just fine.  Never really
had much use for a Command Line utility, either.....)

Drew

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Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 9:04 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net


>after a week long boot camp course, I firmly believe that it's the best
tool for the job

The primary function of boot camp is brainwashing.

;-)

I went to boot camp, I know!

However I agree with you, .net is a VERY powerful tool.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brett Barabash
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 9:41 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net


#2.
When evaluating dev tools for an upcoming project, it became apparent to me
that the new OO capabilities of .NET would be worth the learning curve.

Judging by the developer journals and 3rd party tool developers, I wouldn't
say that it has been "poorly received".  It's getting tough to find VB6
articles in print or online.

I've already gotten into the "which is better" war on this list, so I'll
save it this time.  However, after a week long boot camp course, I firmly
believe that it's the best tool for the job, regardless of how many other
developers agree.


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 7:45 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net


Richard,

  I think rather then the worrying about the front end, you should be
considering the BE and the technology behind it.  However without knowing a
lot more about your app, it's hard to say if that's critical or not.  Also,
you didn't mention why you were considering moving from developing the FE in
Access itself.

  As for VB.Net, I've been ignoring it for the most part for some of the
same reasons you outline (distribution) plus the fact that it has a large
learning curve.  I can't see spending the time on that when I already have
tools at my disposal that do the job fine. And I'm not the only one. Overall
it seems that .Net has been poorly received by the development community.
Most developers I know are happy (for the most part) with what they already
have/know.  Of course a lot depends on the types of apps you develop and the
end users you target.  I think most of us on this list are on the smaller
end of the scale developing typical business type apps for 50 concurrent
users or less.

  How about a quick un-scientific poll?

1. Do you currently develop in .Net (you know it and use it on a regular
basis)
2. Are you learning .Net for a project (your just starting out with it and
have done a small project or two). 3. Don't know anything about it, but are
interested in it. 4. Could care less.

  I'm firmly at #4 for the moment.

Jim Dettman
(315) 699-3443
jimdettman at earthlink.net

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Griffiths, Richard
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 5:20 AM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net


Hi Group

After advice and thoughts.  I have a piece of commercial software (library
s/ware for schools) written with A97 FE and BE.  I am about to rewrite and
can't decide over VB6 FE/A2K(DAO) BE or VB.net FE / A2K BE.(reason for
change to VB as opposed to MS Access is that the VB footprint will be
smaller 1-2mb [easier to email/download and manage than my 12-13 mb Access
FE]).

On one hand the VB6 route will be quicker to develop (no learning curve) and
I think to deploy. On the other hand VB.Net is the future (most
likely!!)(and learning and developing in this will be more interesting and
will spur me on) but I am concerned (mainly) about deployment as my users
are not very IT literate and their pc's (at this time) are not up-to-date
(some W95 many W98 32-64mb ram - I know .net is no go on W95).  So
deployment of .net requires not only the framework but they need minimal
Data Access 2.7, IE 5.01, Windows installer etc also installed.  But 6-12
months down the line I don't want to be in the posistion that having used
VB6 to then consider rewriting in Vb.net.

What I can't gauge here is how significant these issues are (and any other
issues).  So what I am hoping to get here is how you would approach this
conundrum - tried and tested VB6 or new VB.net?

Thanks

Richard


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From marcus at tsstech.com  Mon Sep 13 16:17:05 2004
From: marcus at tsstech.com (Scott Marcus)
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 17:17:05 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net
Message-ID: <B7B1803D6973C84F97D412AFCDA8EA7D339DF9@2003exchg.TSS.AD>

Drew,

Are you saying that .Net uses wrappers?

The problem with API's is dll hell. My understanding of .Net is that
.Net does not rely on those API's.

What are you trying to say about searching a directory structure in ASP?
Are you talking about ASP or ASP.Net?

I've searched a directory structure using VB.Net and didn't have to try
to find every possible combination of the file.

I'm trying to understand your post. Please clarify.

Scott Marcus

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
DWUTKA at marlow.com
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 4:42 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net

I think it's a matter of perception and scope.  API's are second nature
to me, so I don't see 'new' features of .Net, I just see repackaged
capabilities.  If you don't use API's (and know how to find
them....(easiest way is to find one, and go up the tree and save it in
Favorites as a Bookmark)), then you 'see' new features of .Net as new
capabilities, instead of repackaged API's.  Take the
FileScriptingObject.  Just a wrapper.  A lot of what VB has native is
faster then FSO, and with the API's, it's even faster (and more
powerful).  Case in point, Mike Mattys and I worked on a site together,
which displays pictures of properties based on the MLS numbers.  All of
the pictures started with their MLS number, but could have anything
after it (1, 4,6,whatever....).  The site had to be in true ASP (no VB
.dll's....though in retrospect, that condition disappeared...grin, cause
I'm hosting the site....).  In ASP, Dir is not an option.  And in FSO,
you can't 'search' for a conditional file.  So if I wanted to find all
of the pics for MLS 12345, with VB, I would use
strTemp=Dir("C:\MyPath\12345*.jpg")
and just repeat that until it returned an empty string.  With FSO, I had
two approaches.  I had to try to find every possible 'combination',
(12345-1, 12345-2), etc, and that took a while, with all of the files in
the same folder.  (because it went and loaded the files in the Files
collection).
Dir didn't have that problem.  What I ended up doing was to just create
an 'update' process that sorted everything into it's own subfolders.  A
lot more time on the update process, but it allowed the FSO to open a
specific folder with only the applicable files.

Same with .Net, they may be prepackaging everything, but don't be
surprised if certain functionality isn't actually there....

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 10:24 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net


I'm not a vb6 programmer so I can't comment on that.  However I am
talking about prebuilt classes to do things.  Look at the collection
classes as an example.  The class can be subclassed, but already has a
ton of stuff already there.  Also wrappers to windows API stuff.  Things
like encryption, and the like.  I know it's a huge thing to learn but
there are TONS of classes (end user classes) that allow you to do things
natively that you'd be out searching the web for code to do in VB or
Access.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
DWUTKA at marlow.com
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 10:59 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net


Just curious JC, other then inheritance, what else have you found that
make .NET that much more powerful then VB?  I honestly didn't see
anything.  I want to know if I'm completely ignoring other capabilities.
(I know about .Net's ability to create an NT Service and Command Line
utility, but I write VB 6.0 NT Services blind folded now, and they run
just fine.  Never really had much use for a Command Line utility,
either.....)

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 9:04 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net


>after a week long boot camp course, I firmly believe that it's the best
tool for the job

The primary function of boot camp is brainwashing.

;-)

I went to boot camp, I know!

However I agree with you, .net is a VERY powerful tool.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brett
Barabash
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 9:41 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net


#2.
When evaluating dev tools for an upcoming project, it became apparent to
me that the new OO capabilities of .NET would be worth the learning
curve.

Judging by the developer journals and 3rd party tool developers, I
wouldn't say that it has been "poorly received".  It's getting tough to
find VB6 articles in print or online.

I've already gotten into the "which is better" war on this list, so I'll
save it this time.  However, after a week long boot camp course, I
firmly believe that it's the best tool for the job, regardless of how
many other developers agree.


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 7:45 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net


Richard,

  I think rather then the worrying about the front end, you should be
considering the BE and the technology behind it.  However without
knowing a lot more about your app, it's hard to say if that's critical
or not.  Also, you didn't mention why you were considering moving from
developing the FE in Access itself.

  As for VB.Net, I've been ignoring it for the most part for some of the
same reasons you outline (distribution) plus the fact that it has a
large learning curve.  I can't see spending the time on that when I
already have tools at my disposal that do the job fine. And I'm not the
only one. Overall it seems that .Net has been poorly received by the
development community.
Most developers I know are happy (for the most part) with what they
already have/know.  Of course a lot depends on the types of apps you
develop and the end users you target.  I think most of us on this list
are on the smaller end of the scale developing typical business type
apps for 50 concurrent users or less.

  How about a quick un-scientific poll?

1. Do you currently develop in .Net (you know it and use it on a regular
basis)
2. Are you learning .Net for a project (your just starting out with it
and have done a small project or two). 3. Don't know anything about it,
but are interested in it. 4. Could care less.

  I'm firmly at #4 for the moment.

Jim Dettman
(315) 699-3443
jimdettman at earthlink.net

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Griffiths,
Richard
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 5:20 AM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net


Hi Group

After advice and thoughts.  I have a piece of commercial software
(library s/ware for schools) written with A97 FE and BE.  I am about to
rewrite and can't decide over VB6 FE/A2K(DAO) BE or VB.net FE / A2K
BE.(reason for change to VB as opposed to MS Access is that the VB
footprint will be smaller 1-2mb [easier to email/download and manage
than my 12-13 mb Access FE]).

On one hand the VB6 route will be quicker to develop (no learning curve)
and I think to deploy. On the other hand VB.Net is the future (most
likely!!)(and learning and developing in this will be more interesting
and will spur me on) but I am concerned (mainly) about deployment as my
users are not very IT literate and their pc's (at this time) are not
up-to-date (some W95 many W98 32-64mb ram - I know .net is no go on
W95).  So deployment of .net requires not only the framework but they
need minimal Data Access 2.7, IE 5.01, Windows installer etc also
installed.  But 6-12 months down the line I don't want to be in the
posistion that having used
VB6 to then consider rewriting in Vb.net.

What I can't gauge here is how significant these issues are (and any
other issues).  So what I am hoping to get here is how you would
approach this conundrum - tried and tested VB6 or new VB.net?

Thanks

Richard


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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Sep 13 16:20:58 2004
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 14:20:58 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312A5C@infoserver01.infostat.local>

I think you're just trying to get a "discussion" going, Drew.  Nobody
said you had to agree or switch.

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com] 
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 1:42 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net


I think it's a matter of perception and scope.  API's are second nature
to me, so I don't see 'new' features of .Net, I just see repackaged
capabilities.  If you don't use API's (and know how to find
them....(easiest way is to find one, and go up the tree and save it in
Favorites as a Bookmark)), then you 'see' new features of .Net as new
capabilities, instead of repackaged API's.  Take the
FileScriptingObject.  Just a wrapper.  A lot of what VB has native is
faster then FSO, and with the API's, it's even faster (and more
powerful).  Case in point, Mike Mattys and I worked on a site together,
which displays pictures of properties based on the MLS numbers.  All of
the pictures started with their MLS number, but could have anything
after it (1, 4,6,whatever....).  The site had to be in true ASP (no VB
.dll's....though in retrospect, that condition disappeared...grin, cause
I'm hosting the site....).  In ASP, Dir is not an option.  And in FSO,
you can't 'search' for a conditional file.  So if I wanted to find all
of the pics for MLS 12345, with VB, I would use
strTemp=Dir("C:\MyPath\12345*.jpg")
and just repeat that until it returned an empty string.  With FSO, I had
two approaches.  I had to try to find every possible 'combination',
(12345-1, 12345-2), etc, and that took a while, with all of the files in
the same folder.  (because it went and loaded the files in the Files
collection). Dir didn't have that problem.  What I ended up doing was to
just create an 'update' process that sorted everything into it's own
subfolders.  A lot more time on the update process, but it allowed the
FSO to open a specific folder with only the applicable files.

Same with .Net, they may be prepackaging everything, but don't be
surprised if certain functionality isn't actually there....

Drew

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 10:24 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net


I'm not a vb6 programmer so I can't comment on that.  However I am
talking about prebuilt classes to do things.  Look at the collection
classes as an example.  The class can be subclassed, but already has a
ton of stuff already there.  Also wrappers to windows API stuff.  Things
like encryption, and the like.  I know it's a huge thing to learn but
there are TONS of classes (end user classes) that allow you to do things
natively that you'd be out searching the web for code to do in VB or
Access.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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DWUTKA at marlow.com
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 10:59 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net


Just curious JC, other then inheritance, what else have you found that
make .NET that much more powerful then VB?  I honestly didn't see
anything.  I want to know if I'm completely ignoring other capabilities.
(I know about .Net's ability to create an NT Service and Command Line
utility, but I write VB 6.0 NT Services blind folded now, and they run
just fine.  Never really had much use for a Command Line utility,
either.....)

Drew

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 9:04 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net


>after a week long boot camp course, I firmly believe that it's the best
tool for the job

The primary function of boot camp is brainwashing.

;-)

I went to boot camp, I know!

However I agree with you, .net is a VERY powerful tool.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brett
Barabash
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 9:41 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net


#2.
When evaluating dev tools for an upcoming project, it became apparent to
me that the new OO capabilities of .NET would be worth the learning
curve.

Judging by the developer journals and 3rd party tool developers, I
wouldn't say that it has been "poorly received".  It's getting tough to
find VB6 articles in print or online.

I've already gotten into the "which is better" war on this list, so I'll
save it this time.  However, after a week long boot camp course, I
firmly believe that it's the best tool for the job, regardless of how
many other developers agree.


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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 7:45 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net


Richard,

  I think rather then the worrying about the front end, you should be
considering the BE and the technology behind it.  However without
knowing a lot more about your app, it's hard to say if that's critical
or not.  Also, you didn't mention why you were considering moving from
developing the FE in Access itself.

  As for VB.Net, I've been ignoring it for the most part for some of the
same reasons you outline (distribution) plus the fact that it has a
large learning curve.  I can't see spending the time on that when I
already have tools at my disposal that do the job fine. And I'm not the
only one. Overall it seems that .Net has been poorly received by the
development community. Most developers I know are happy (for the most
part) with what they already have/know.  Of course a lot depends on the
types of apps you develop and the end users you target.  I think most of
us on this list are on the smaller end of the scale developing typical
business type apps for 50 concurrent users or less.

  How about a quick un-scientific poll?

1. Do you currently develop in .Net (you know it and use it on a regular
basis)
2. Are you learning .Net for a project (your just starting out with it
and have done a small project or two). 3. Don't know anything about it,
but are interested in it. 4. Could care less.

  I'm firmly at #4 for the moment.

Jim Dettman
(315) 699-3443
jimdettman at earthlink.net

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Griffiths,
Richard
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 5:20 AM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net


Hi Group

After advice and thoughts.  I have a piece of commercial software
(library s/ware for schools) written with A97 FE and BE.  I am about to
rewrite and can't decide over VB6 FE/A2K(DAO) BE or VB.net FE / A2K
BE.(reason for change to VB as opposed to MS Access is that the VB
footprint will be smaller 1-2mb [easier to email/download and manage
than my 12-13 mb Access FE]).

On one hand the VB6 route will be quicker to develop (no learning curve)
and I think to deploy. On the other hand VB.Net is the future (most
likely!!)(and learning and developing in this will be more interesting
and will spur me on) but I am concerned (mainly) about deployment as my
users are not very IT literate and their pc's (at this time) are not
up-to-date (some W95 many W98 32-64mb ram - I know .net is no go on
W95).  So deployment of .net requires not only the framework but they
need minimal Data Access 2.7, IE 5.01, Windows installer etc also
installed.  But 6-12 months down the line I don't want to be in the
posistion that having used VB6 to then consider rewriting in Vb.net.

What I can't gauge here is how significant these issues are (and any
other issues).  So what I am hoping to get here is how you would
approach this conundrum - tried and tested VB6 or new VB.net?

Thanks

Richard


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From marcus at tsstech.com  Mon Sep 13 16:27:33 2004
From: marcus at tsstech.com (Scott Marcus)
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 17:27:33 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net
Message-ID: <B7B1803D6973C84F97D412AFCDA8EA7D339DFA@2003exchg.TSS.AD>

Drew,

Because I'm leaving for the day, here is code that easily finds all
files in the root directory matching a pattern using .Net. In this case
I'm looking for pdf files to process...

' Get list of pdf files to process from the input path
Dim pdfDirectory As String() = Directory.GetFiles("C:\", "*.pdf")
Dim pdfFile As String

For Each pdfFile In pdfDirectory
    ProcessPDF(pdfFile)
Next pdfFile 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Scott Marcus
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 5:17 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net

Drew,

Are you saying that .Net uses wrappers?

The problem with API's is dll hell. My understanding of .Net is that
.Net does not rely on those API's.

What are you trying to say about searching a directory structure in ASP?
Are you talking about ASP or ASP.Net?

I've searched a directory structure using VB.Net and didn't have to try
to find every possible combination of the file.

I'm trying to understand your post. Please clarify.

Scott Marcus

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
DWUTKA at marlow.com
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 4:42 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net

I think it's a matter of perception and scope.  API's are second nature
to me, so I don't see 'new' features of .Net, I just see repackaged
capabilities.  If you don't use API's (and know how to find
them....(easiest way is to find one, and go up the tree and save it in
Favorites as a Bookmark)), then you 'see' new features of .Net as new
capabilities, instead of repackaged API's.  Take the
FileScriptingObject.  Just a wrapper.  A lot of what VB has native is
faster then FSO, and with the API's, it's even faster (and more
powerful).  Case in point, Mike Mattys and I worked on a site together,
which displays pictures of properties based on the MLS numbers.  All of
the pictures started with their MLS number, but could have anything
after it (1, 4,6,whatever....).  The site had to be in true ASP (no VB
.dll's....though in retrospect, that condition disappeared...grin, cause
I'm hosting the site....).  In ASP, Dir is not an option.  And in FSO,
you can't 'search' for a conditional file.  So if I wanted to find all
of the pics for MLS 12345, with VB, I would use
strTemp=Dir("C:\MyPath\12345*.jpg")
and just repeat that until it returned an empty string.  With FSO, I had
two approaches.  I had to try to find every possible 'combination',
(12345-1, 12345-2), etc, and that took a while, with all of the files in
the same folder.  (because it went and loaded the files in the Files
collection).
Dir didn't have that problem.  What I ended up doing was to just create
an 'update' process that sorted everything into it's own subfolders.  A
lot more time on the update process, but it allowed the FSO to open a
specific folder with only the applicable files.

Same with .Net, they may be prepackaging everything, but don't be
surprised if certain functionality isn't actually there....

Drew

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 10:24 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net


I'm not a vb6 programmer so I can't comment on that.  However I am
talking about prebuilt classes to do things.  Look at the collection
classes as an example.  The class can be subclassed, but already has a
ton of stuff already there.  Also wrappers to windows API stuff.  Things
like encryption, and the like.  I know it's a huge thing to learn but
there are TONS of classes (end user classes) that allow you to do things
natively that you'd be out searching the web for code to do in VB or
Access.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
DWUTKA at marlow.com
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 10:59 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net


Just curious JC, other then inheritance, what else have you found that
make .NET that much more powerful then VB?  I honestly didn't see
anything.  I want to know if I'm completely ignoring other capabilities.
(I know about .Net's ability to create an NT Service and Command Line
utility, but I write VB 6.0 NT Services blind folded now, and they run
just fine.  Never really had much use for a Command Line utility,
either.....)

Drew

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 9:04 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net


>after a week long boot camp course, I firmly believe that it's the best
tool for the job

The primary function of boot camp is brainwashing.

;-)

I went to boot camp, I know!

However I agree with you, .net is a VERY powerful tool.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brett
Barabash
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 9:41 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net


#2.
When evaluating dev tools for an upcoming project, it became apparent to
me that the new OO capabilities of .NET would be worth the learning
curve.

Judging by the developer journals and 3rd party tool developers, I
wouldn't say that it has been "poorly received".  It's getting tough to
find VB6 articles in print or online.

I've already gotten into the "which is better" war on this list, so I'll
save it this time.  However, after a week long boot camp course, I
firmly believe that it's the best tool for the job, regardless of how
many other developers agree.


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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 7:45 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net


Richard,

  I think rather then the worrying about the front end, you should be
considering the BE and the technology behind it.  However without
knowing a lot more about your app, it's hard to say if that's critical
or not.  Also, you didn't mention why you were considering moving from
developing the FE in Access itself.

  As for VB.Net, I've been ignoring it for the most part for some of the
same reasons you outline (distribution) plus the fact that it has a
large learning curve.  I can't see spending the time on that when I
already have tools at my disposal that do the job fine. And I'm not the
only one. Overall it seems that .Net has been poorly received by the
development community.
Most developers I know are happy (for the most part) with what they
already have/know.  Of course a lot depends on the types of apps you
develop and the end users you target.  I think most of us on this list
are on the smaller end of the scale developing typical business type
apps for 50 concurrent users or less.

  How about a quick un-scientific poll?

1. Do you currently develop in .Net (you know it and use it on a regular
basis)
2. Are you learning .Net for a project (your just starting out with it
and have done a small project or two). 3. Don't know anything about it,
but are interested in it. 4. Could care less.

  I'm firmly at #4 for the moment.

Jim Dettman
(315) 699-3443
jimdettman at earthlink.net

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Griffiths,
Richard
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 5:20 AM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net


Hi Group

After advice and thoughts.  I have a piece of commercial software
(library s/ware for schools) written with A97 FE and BE.  I am about to
rewrite and can't decide over VB6 FE/A2K(DAO) BE or VB.net FE / A2K
BE.(reason for change to VB as opposed to MS Access is that the VB
footprint will be smaller 1-2mb [easier to email/download and manage
than my 12-13 mb Access FE]).

On one hand the VB6 route will be quicker to develop (no learning curve)
and I think to deploy. On the other hand VB.Net is the future (most
likely!!)(and learning and developing in this will be more interesting
and will spur me on) but I am concerned (mainly) about deployment as my
users are not very IT literate and their pc's (at this time) are not
up-to-date (some W95 many W98 32-64mb ram - I know .net is no go on
W95).  So deployment of .net requires not only the framework but they
need minimal Data Access 2.7, IE 5.01, Windows installer etc also
installed.  But 6-12 months down the line I don't want to be in the
posistion that having used
VB6 to then consider rewriting in Vb.net.

What I can't gauge here is how significant these issues are (and any
other issues).  So what I am hoping to get here is how you would
approach this conundrum - tried and tested VB6 or new VB.net?

Thanks

Richard


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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Mon Sep 13 17:06:01 2004
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (DWUTKA at marlow.com)
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 17:06:01 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8031BB370@main2.marlow.com>

LOL.  Not really.  Just pointing out that there are differences between NEW
features, and repackaged features.  OOP is definitely a new feature.  The
ability to make an NT Service is not new, just repackaged.

The discussion was already going, about how people felt about .NET.  A lot
of VB 6.0's capabilities are not 'visible' as features.  With API's, you can
do practically anything.....practically.  I saw a post about the new version
of ADO being faster, I am going to have to look into that.....because that
certainly would be an advantage.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 4:21 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net


I think you're just trying to get a "discussion" going, Drew.  Nobody
said you had to agree or switch.

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com] 
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 1:42 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net


I think it's a matter of perception and scope.  API's are second nature
to me, so I don't see 'new' features of .Net, I just see repackaged
capabilities.  If you don't use API's (and know how to find
them....(easiest way is to find one, and go up the tree and save it in
Favorites as a Bookmark)), then you 'see' new features of .Net as new
capabilities, instead of repackaged API's.  Take the
FileScriptingObject.  Just a wrapper.  A lot of what VB has native is
faster then FSO, and with the API's, it's even faster (and more
powerful).  Case in point, Mike Mattys and I worked on a site together,
which displays pictures of properties based on the MLS numbers.  All of
the pictures started with their MLS number, but could have anything
after it (1, 4,6,whatever....).  The site had to be in true ASP (no VB
.dll's....though in retrospect, that condition disappeared...grin, cause
I'm hosting the site....).  In ASP, Dir is not an option.  And in FSO,
you can't 'search' for a conditional file.  So if I wanted to find all
of the pics for MLS 12345, with VB, I would use
strTemp=Dir("C:\MyPath\12345*.jpg")
and just repeat that until it returned an empty string.  With FSO, I had
two approaches.  I had to try to find every possible 'combination',
(12345-1, 12345-2), etc, and that took a while, with all of the files in
the same folder.  (because it went and loaded the files in the Files
collection). Dir didn't have that problem.  What I ended up doing was to
just create an 'update' process that sorted everything into it's own
subfolders.  A lot more time on the update process, but it allowed the
FSO to open a specific folder with only the applicable files.

Same with .Net, they may be prepackaging everything, but don't be
surprised if certain functionality isn't actually there....

Drew

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 10:24 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net


I'm not a vb6 programmer so I can't comment on that.  However I am
talking about prebuilt classes to do things.  Look at the collection
classes as an example.  The class can be subclassed, but already has a
ton of stuff already there.  Also wrappers to windows API stuff.  Things
like encryption, and the like.  I know it's a huge thing to learn but
there are TONS of classes (end user classes) that allow you to do things
natively that you'd be out searching the web for code to do in VB or
Access.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
DWUTKA at marlow.com
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 10:59 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net


Just curious JC, other then inheritance, what else have you found that
make .NET that much more powerful then VB?  I honestly didn't see
anything.  I want to know if I'm completely ignoring other capabilities.
(I know about .Net's ability to create an NT Service and Command Line
utility, but I write VB 6.0 NT Services blind folded now, and they run
just fine.  Never really had much use for a Command Line utility,
either.....)

Drew

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 9:04 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net


>after a week long boot camp course, I firmly believe that it's the best
tool for the job

The primary function of boot camp is brainwashing.

;-)

I went to boot camp, I know!

However I agree with you, .net is a VERY powerful tool.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brett
Barabash
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 9:41 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net


#2.
When evaluating dev tools for an upcoming project, it became apparent to
me that the new OO capabilities of .NET would be worth the learning
curve.

Judging by the developer journals and 3rd party tool developers, I
wouldn't say that it has been "poorly received".  It's getting tough to
find VB6 articles in print or online.

I've already gotten into the "which is better" war on this list, so I'll
save it this time.  However, after a week long boot camp course, I
firmly believe that it's the best tool for the job, regardless of how
many other developers agree.


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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 7:45 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net


Richard,

  I think rather then the worrying about the front end, you should be
considering the BE and the technology behind it.  However without
knowing a lot more about your app, it's hard to say if that's critical
or not.  Also, you didn't mention why you were considering moving from
developing the FE in Access itself.

  As for VB.Net, I've been ignoring it for the most part for some of the
same reasons you outline (distribution) plus the fact that it has a
large learning curve.  I can't see spending the time on that when I
already have tools at my disposal that do the job fine. And I'm not the
only one. Overall it seems that .Net has been poorly received by the
development community. Most developers I know are happy (for the most
part) with what they already have/know.  Of course a lot depends on the
types of apps you develop and the end users you target.  I think most of
us on this list are on the smaller end of the scale developing typical
business type apps for 50 concurrent users or less.

  How about a quick un-scientific poll?

1. Do you currently develop in .Net (you know it and use it on a regular
basis)
2. Are you learning .Net for a project (your just starting out with it
and have done a small project or two). 3. Don't know anything about it,
but are interested in it. 4. Could care less.

  I'm firmly at #4 for the moment.

Jim Dettman
(315) 699-3443
jimdettman at earthlink.net

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Griffiths,
Richard
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 5:20 AM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net


Hi Group

After advice and thoughts.  I have a piece of commercial software
(library s/ware for schools) written with A97 FE and BE.  I am about to
rewrite and can't decide over VB6 FE/A2K(DAO) BE or VB.net FE / A2K
BE.(reason for change to VB as opposed to MS Access is that the VB
footprint will be smaller 1-2mb [easier to email/download and manage
than my 12-13 mb Access FE]).

On one hand the VB6 route will be quicker to develop (no learning curve)
and I think to deploy. On the other hand VB.Net is the future (most
likely!!)(and learning and developing in this will be more interesting
and will spur me on) but I am concerned (mainly) about deployment as my
users are not very IT literate and their pc's (at this time) are not
up-to-date (some W95 many W98 32-64mb ram - I know .net is no go on
W95).  So deployment of .net requires not only the framework but they
need minimal Data Access 2.7, IE 5.01, Windows installer etc also
installed.  But 6-12 months down the line I don't want to be in the
posistion that having used VB6 to then consider rewriting in Vb.net.

What I can't gauge here is how significant these issues are (and any
other issues).  So what I am hoping to get here is how you would
approach this conundrum - tried and tested VB6 or new VB.net?

Thanks

Richard


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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Mon Sep 13 17:11:35 2004
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (DWUTKA at marlow.com)
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 17:11:35 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8031BB371@main2.marlow.com>

I can't honestly give you an exact answer, because I wasn't involved in the
development of .Net, but it certainly wouldn't make sense for .Net to
include extra code to handle the same things that API's handle.  If it
included all of that code, it would be monstrous!

As for searching a directory, I was talking about FSO, FileScriptingObject,
which you can use in VBScript.  You can't use Dir, in ASP (3.0??).  It's not
allowed.  FSO doesn't have a 'searching' feature, other then running through
a directory.  That can take a LOT of time, if you have tens of thousands of
files on your system.  FSO is just a 'wrapper' over what you can do with Dir
and other direct VB commands, along with API's, but with using the lower
level tools, you have a lot more options at your finger tips.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Scott Marcus
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 4:17 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net


Drew,

Are you saying that .Net uses wrappers?

The problem with API's is dll hell. My understanding of .Net is that
.Net does not rely on those API's.

What are you trying to say about searching a directory structure in ASP?
Are you talking about ASP or ASP.Net?

I've searched a directory structure using VB.Net and didn't have to try
to find every possible combination of the file.

I'm trying to understand your post. Please clarify.

Scott Marcus

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DWUTKA at marlow.com
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 4:42 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net

I think it's a matter of perception and scope.  API's are second nature
to me, so I don't see 'new' features of .Net, I just see repackaged
capabilities.  If you don't use API's (and know how to find
them....(easiest way is to find one, and go up the tree and save it in
Favorites as a Bookmark)), then you 'see' new features of .Net as new
capabilities, instead of repackaged API's.  Take the
FileScriptingObject.  Just a wrapper.  A lot of what VB has native is
faster then FSO, and with the API's, it's even faster (and more
powerful).  Case in point, Mike Mattys and I worked on a site together,
which displays pictures of properties based on the MLS numbers.  All of
the pictures started with their MLS number, but could have anything
after it (1, 4,6,whatever....).  The site had to be in true ASP (no VB
.dll's....though in retrospect, that condition disappeared...grin, cause
I'm hosting the site....).  In ASP, Dir is not an option.  And in FSO,
you can't 'search' for a conditional file.  So if I wanted to find all
of the pics for MLS 12345, with VB, I would use
strTemp=Dir("C:\MyPath\12345*.jpg")
and just repeat that until it returned an empty string.  With FSO, I had
two approaches.  I had to try to find every possible 'combination',
(12345-1, 12345-2), etc, and that took a while, with all of the files in
the same folder.  (because it went and loaded the files in the Files
collection).
Dir didn't have that problem.  What I ended up doing was to just create
an 'update' process that sorted everything into it's own subfolders.  A
lot more time on the update process, but it allowed the FSO to open a
specific folder with only the applicable files.

Same with .Net, they may be prepackaging everything, but don't be
surprised if certain functionality isn't actually there....

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 10:24 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net


I'm not a vb6 programmer so I can't comment on that.  However I am
talking about prebuilt classes to do things.  Look at the collection
classes as an example.  The class can be subclassed, but already has a
ton of stuff already there.  Also wrappers to windows API stuff.  Things
like encryption, and the like.  I know it's a huge thing to learn but
there are TONS of classes (end user classes) that allow you to do things
natively that you'd be out searching the web for code to do in VB or
Access.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
DWUTKA at marlow.com
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 10:59 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net


Just curious JC, other then inheritance, what else have you found that
make .NET that much more powerful then VB?  I honestly didn't see
anything.  I want to know if I'm completely ignoring other capabilities.
(I know about .Net's ability to create an NT Service and Command Line
utility, but I write VB 6.0 NT Services blind folded now, and they run
just fine.  Never really had much use for a Command Line utility,
either.....)

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 9:04 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net


>after a week long boot camp course, I firmly believe that it's the best
tool for the job

The primary function of boot camp is brainwashing.

;-)

I went to boot camp, I know!

However I agree with you, .net is a VERY powerful tool.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brett
Barabash
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 9:41 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net


#2.
When evaluating dev tools for an upcoming project, it became apparent to
me that the new OO capabilities of .NET would be worth the learning
curve.

Judging by the developer journals and 3rd party tool developers, I
wouldn't say that it has been "poorly received".  It's getting tough to
find VB6 articles in print or online.

I've already gotten into the "which is better" war on this list, so I'll
save it this time.  However, after a week long boot camp course, I
firmly believe that it's the best tool for the job, regardless of how
many other developers agree.


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 7:45 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net


Richard,

  I think rather then the worrying about the front end, you should be
considering the BE and the technology behind it.  However without
knowing a lot more about your app, it's hard to say if that's critical
or not.  Also, you didn't mention why you were considering moving from
developing the FE in Access itself.

  As for VB.Net, I've been ignoring it for the most part for some of the
same reasons you outline (distribution) plus the fact that it has a
large learning curve.  I can't see spending the time on that when I
already have tools at my disposal that do the job fine. And I'm not the
only one. Overall it seems that .Net has been poorly received by the
development community.
Most developers I know are happy (for the most part) with what they
already have/know.  Of course a lot depends on the types of apps you
develop and the end users you target.  I think most of us on this list
are on the smaller end of the scale developing typical business type
apps for 50 concurrent users or less.

  How about a quick un-scientific poll?

1. Do you currently develop in .Net (you know it and use it on a regular
basis)
2. Are you learning .Net for a project (your just starting out with it
and have done a small project or two). 3. Don't know anything about it,
but are interested in it. 4. Could care less.

  I'm firmly at #4 for the moment.

Jim Dettman
(315) 699-3443
jimdettman at earthlink.net

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Griffiths,
Richard
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 5:20 AM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net


Hi Group

After advice and thoughts.  I have a piece of commercial software
(library s/ware for schools) written with A97 FE and BE.  I am about to
rewrite and can't decide over VB6 FE/A2K(DAO) BE or VB.net FE / A2K
BE.(reason for change to VB as opposed to MS Access is that the VB
footprint will be smaller 1-2mb [easier to email/download and manage
than my 12-13 mb Access FE]).

On one hand the VB6 route will be quicker to develop (no learning curve)
and I think to deploy. On the other hand VB.Net is the future (most
likely!!)(and learning and developing in this will be more interesting
and will spur me on) but I am concerned (mainly) about deployment as my
users are not very IT literate and their pc's (at this time) are not
up-to-date (some W95 many W98 32-64mb ram - I know .net is no go on
W95).  So deployment of .net requires not only the framework but they
need minimal Data Access 2.7, IE 5.01, Windows installer etc also
installed.  But 6-12 months down the line I don't want to be in the
posistion that having used
VB6 to then consider rewriting in Vb.net.

What I can't gauge here is how significant these issues are (and any
other issues).  So what I am hoping to get here is how you would
approach this conundrum - tried and tested VB6 or new VB.net?

Thanks

Richard


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From clh at christopherhawkins.com  Mon Sep 13 17:20:32 2004
From: clh at christopherhawkins.com (Christopher Hawkins)
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 16:20:32 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Hack Requested - Increase Combo Box Button Size?
Message-ID: <198030-22004911322203266@christopherhawkins.com>

I suppose the title says it all.  I know there are various hacks for
playing with the window sizes of everything, but I need to be
surgical - I am creating an interface for a touch-screen computer,
and it requires the use of a combo box.  

I need a way to fatten the combo box button and the scroll bar
buttons.  Has anyone done this before?  Either prewritten code or a
link in the right direction would be appreciated.

-Christopher-
Respectfully,

Christopher Hawkins
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Mon Sep 13 17:45:23 2004
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 08:45:23 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net
In-Reply-To: <B7B1803D6973C84F97D412AFCDA8EA7D339DF9@2003exchg.TSS.AD>
Message-ID: <4146AFA3.32317.17976553@lexacorp.com.pg>

On 13 Sep 2004 at 17:17, Scott Marcus wrote:

> Drew,
> 
> Are you saying that .Net uses wrappers?
> 
> The problem with API's is dll hell. 

There's no DLL hell with the API.

The Win32 API uses system DLLS which are backward compatible between 
Windows versions. 

The majority of API calls work for every version of WIndows from W95 on 
including all of the most commonly used APIs.   If you want to use an API 
feature that is limited to certain OS versions, you just need to check the 
OSVersion first.



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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Mon Sep 13 15:39:39 2004
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 13:39:39 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT: OE question
References: <08F823FD83787D4BA0B99CA580AD3C74089B99@TTNEXCHCL2.hshhp.com>
	<002701c499c7$efceb6e0$9865fea9@BILLONE>
Message-ID: <4146058B.1070100@shaw.ca>

Good site for Outlook Express FAQ's
http://insideoe.tomsterdam.com/

Susan Harkins wrote:

>Thanks jim -- I did find it on Options -- Security -- don't know how I
>missed it before, but I did. Thanks!
>
>Susan H.
>
>
>  
>
>>Susan,
>>
>>I can't recall the command but if you find the Options dialog you can
>>    
>>
>enable allowing attachments from there.  If you can't find it what I did
>until I found it was forward the message (but don't send) then open the
>attachnent from your unforwarded forward.
>  
>
>>Jim DeMarco
>>
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>>Subject: [AccessD] OT: OE question
>>
>>
>>I'm using OE temporarily -- it won't allow attachments. I don't remember
>>    
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>options -- how can I get my attachments?
>  
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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Mon Sep 13 15:57:17 2004
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 13:57:17 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net
References: <08F823FD83787D4BA0B99CA580AD3C74089B9A@TTNEXCHCL2.hshhp.com>
Message-ID: <414609AD.8020307@shaw.ca>

One thing that may start to be difficult is linking the Crypto Api for 
WSE 2.0 (new methods for securing WebServices). You just call the 
classes in .Net
but it is a real ouch in VB6 or Access if you have to handle encryption 
of Web Services from scratch.

Jim DeMarco wrote:

>FWIW and not to take anything away from .NET but you *can* use the same data access and biz rules code in VB and ASP apps via compliled code (aka dlls).  One big plus for .NET in this arena is that a lot of the display code is either the same or similar between ASP.NET apps and WinForms apps (just look at the code to bind your data to a web grid or windows data grid. It's virtually the same).
>
>Jim DeMarco
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte
>Foust
>Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 2:25 PM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net
>
>
>It's catching on in *our* trenches!  I like working with it and our next
>major versions are going to be all VB.Net in part because it allows us
>to do things the clients want but that would have been difficult to
>impossible in Access.  And it allows us to build Web-based interfaces
>for clients who want them without having to write different code for the
>Windows-based and web-based interfaces.  I think that's worth the
>learning curve.
>
>Charlotte Foust
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
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>Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 10:56 AM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net
>
>
>Brett,
>
><<When evaluating dev tools for an upcoming project, it became apparent
>to me that the new OO capabilities of .NET would be worth the learning
>curve.>>
>
>  I was in the same place several years ago.  .Net was brand new and not
>much was around. I also wanted to get a standalone .EXE, get away from
>reference headaches with Access, etc.  So I picked up VFP (Visual
>FoxPro). I must say I was disappointed at first because so many people I
>spoke with raved about it.  While it had very strong database and OO
>capabilities, some of it was just plain junk.  That's changed quite a
>bit as Microsoft has continued to add to the product.  It has released
>two major versions since then with a third on the way.  It too had a
>steep learning curve.
>
><<Judging by the developer journals and 3rd party tool developers, I
>wouldn't say that it has been "poorly received".  It's getting tough to
>find VB6 articles in print or online.>>
>
>  I said that in light of the fact that .Net has been around for several
>years now and yet very few shops use it or are just getting into using
>it. Even Microsoft has said publicly that the response has been poor.
>They had to back off the whole .Net centric campaign and have refocused
>once again. And while that may have born some fruit, it seems for the
>most part that .Net is still not main stream.
>
><<I've already gotten into the "which is better" war on this list, so
>I'll save it this time.  However, after a week long boot camp course, I
>firmly believe that it's the best tool for the job, regardless of how
>many other developers agree.>>
>
>  Been there done that<g> and this isn't about that.  I was mainly
>curious if .Net was catching on down in the trenches or still ho-hum.
>
>Jim
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Brett Barabash
>Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 9:41 AM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net
>
>
>#2.
>When evaluating dev tools for an upcoming project, it became apparent to
>me that the new OO capabilities of .NET would be worth the learning
>curve.
>
>Judging by the developer journals and 3rd party tool developers, I
>wouldn't say that it has been "poorly received".  It's getting tough to
>find VB6 articles in print or online.
>
>I've already gotten into the "which is better" war on this list, so I'll
>save it this time.  However, after a week long boot camp course, I
>firmly believe that it's the best tool for the job, regardless of how
>many other developers agree.
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
>Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 7:45 AM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net
>
>
>Richard,
>
>  I think rather then the worrying about the front end, you should be
>considering the BE and the technology behind it.  However without
>knowing a lot more about your app, it's hard to say if that's critical
>or not.  Also, you didn't mention why you were considering moving from
>developing the FE in Access itself.
>
>  As for VB.Net, I've been ignoring it for the most part for some of the
>same reasons you outline (distribution) plus the fact that it has a
>large learning curve.  I can't see spending the time on that when I
>already have tools at my disposal that do the job fine. And I'm not the
>only one. Overall it seems that .Net has been poorly received by the
>development community.  Most developers I know are happy (for the most
>part) with what they already have/know.  Of course a lot depends on the
>types of apps you develop and the end users you target.  I think most of
>us on this list are on the smaller end of the scale developing typical
>business type apps for 50 concurrent users or less.
>
>  How about a quick un-scientific poll?
>
>1. Do you currently develop in .Net (you know it and use it on a regular
>basis)
>2. Are you learning .Net for a project (your just starting out with it
>and have done a small project or two). 3. Don't know anything about it,
>but are interested in it. 4. Could care less.
>
>  I'm firmly at #4 for the moment.
>
>Jim Dettman
>(315) 699-3443
>jimdettman at earthlink.net
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Griffiths,
>Richard
>Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 5:20 AM
>To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net
>
>
>Hi Group
>
>After advice and thoughts.  I have a piece of commercial software
>(library s/ware for schools) written with A97 FE and BE.  I am about to
>rewrite and can't decide over VB6 FE/A2K(DAO) BE or VB.net FE / A2K
>BE.(reason for change to VB as opposed to MS Access is that the VB
>footprint will be smaller 1-2mb [easier to email/download and manage
>than my 12-13 mb Access FE]).
>
>On one hand the VB6 route will be quicker to develop (no learning curve)
>and I think to deploy. On the other hand VB.Net is the future (most
>likely!!)(and learning and developing in this will be more interesting
>and will spur me on) but I am concerned (mainly) about deployment as my
>users are not very IT literate and their pc's (at this time) are not
>up-to-date (some W95 many W98 32-64mb ram - I know .net is no go on
>W95).  So deployment of .net requires not only the framework but they
>need minimal Data Access 2.7, IE 5.01, Windows installer etc also
>installed.  But 6-12 months down the line I don't want to be in the
>posistion that having used VB6 to then consider rewriting in Vb.net.
>
>What I can't gauge here is how significant these issues are (and any
>other issues).  So what I am hoping to get here is how you would
>approach this conundrum - tried and tested VB6 or new VB.net?
>
>Thanks
>
>Richard
>
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Sep 13 16:21:29 2004
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence (AccessD))
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 14:21:29 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net
In-Reply-To: <NEBBKADGELICHEJJCKGKKEGBKDAA.jimdettman@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <FJEJLIPOMCGJALMGLLLIAELBCGAA.accessd@shaw.ca>

Hi Jim:

I have been wandering around the .NET pool for some time. This fall I have
finally made the commitment to take up diving. A full POS and part
accounting package by Christmas. It will be either sink or swim on this one.

I do remember the original Access 1, a good start but a long way from a full
product. I do not think until A97 we had a product to crow about...a good
five years from start to market acceptance. .Net will probably be the same
and I believe M$ is committed... Microsoft never had free leatures, gave
away documentation and copies of standard FP.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 10:56 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net


Brett,

<<When evaluating dev tools for an upcoming project, it became apparent to
me that the new OO capabilities of .NET would be worth the learning
curve.>>

  I was in the same place several years ago.  .Net was brand new and not
much was around. I also wanted to get a standalone .EXE, get away from
reference headaches with Access, etc.  So I picked up VFP (Visual FoxPro).
I must say I was disappointed at first because so many people I spoke with
raved about it.  While it had very strong database and OO capabilities, some
of it was just plain junk.  That's changed quite a bit as Microsoft has
continued to add to the product.  It has released two major versions since
then with a third on the way.  It too had a steep learning curve.

<<Judging by the developer journals and 3rd party tool developers, I
wouldn't say that it has been "poorly received".  It's getting tough to
find VB6 articles in print or online.>>

  I said that in light of the fact that .Net has been around for several
years now and yet very few shops use it or are just getting into using it.
Even Microsoft has said publicly that the response has been poor.  They had
to back off the whole .Net centric campaign and have refocused once again.
And while that may have born some fruit, it seems for the most part that
.Net is still not main stream.

<<I've already gotten into the "which is better" war on this list, so I'll
save it this time.  However, after a week long boot camp course, I
firmly believe that it's the best tool for the job, regardless of how
many other developers agree.>>

  Been there done that<g> and this isn't about that.  I was mainly curious
if .Net was catching on down in the trenches or still ho-hum.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Brett Barabash
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 9:41 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net


#2.
When evaluating dev tools for an upcoming project, it became apparent to
me that the new OO capabilities of .NET would be worth the learning
curve.

Judging by the developer journals and 3rd party tool developers, I
wouldn't say that it has been "poorly received".  It's getting tough to
find VB6 articles in print or online.

I've already gotten into the "which is better" war on this list, so I'll
save it this time.  However, after a week long boot camp course, I
firmly believe that it's the best tool for the job, regardless of how
many other developers agree.


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 7:45 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net


Richard,

  I think rather then the worrying about the front end, you should be
considering the BE and the technology behind it.  However without
knowing a lot more about your app, it's hard to say if that's critical
or not.  Also, you didn't mention why you were considering moving from
developing the FE in Access itself.

  As for VB.Net, I've been ignoring it for the most part for some of the
same reasons you outline (distribution) plus the fact that it has a
large learning curve.  I can't see spending the time on that when I
already have tools at my disposal that do the job fine. And I'm not the
only one.
Overall it seems that .Net has been poorly received by the development
community.  Most developers I know are happy (for the most part) with
what they already have/know.  Of course a lot depends on the types of
apps you develop and the end users you target.  I think most of us on
this list are on the smaller end of the scale developing typical
business type apps for 50 concurrent users or less.

  How about a quick un-scientific poll?

1. Do you currently develop in .Net (you know it and use it on a regular
basis)
2. Are you learning .Net for a project (your just starting out with it
and have done a small project or two).
3. Don't know anything about it, but are interested in it.
4. Could care less.

  I'm firmly at #4 for the moment.

Jim Dettman
(315) 699-3443
jimdettman at earthlink.net

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Griffiths,
Richard
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 5:20 AM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net


Hi Group

After advice and thoughts.  I have a piece of commercial software
(library s/ware for schools) written with A97 FE and BE.  I am about to
rewrite and can't decide over VB6 FE/A2K(DAO) BE or VB.net FE / A2K
BE.(reason for change to VB as opposed to MS Access is that the VB
footprint will be smaller 1-2mb [easier to email/download and manage
than my 12-13 mb Access FE]).

On one hand the VB6 route will be quicker to develop (no learning curve)
and I think to deploy. On the other hand VB.Net is the future (most
likely!!)(and learning and developing in this will be more interesting
and will spur me on) but I am concerned (mainly) about deployment as my
users are not very IT literate and their pc's (at this time) are not
up-to-date (some W95 many W98 32-64mb ram - I know .net is no go on
W95).  So deployment of .net requires not only the framework but they
need minimal Data Access 2.7, IE 5.01, Windows installer etc also
installed.  But 6-12 months down the line I don't want to be in the
posistion that having used
VB6 to then consider rewriting in Vb.net.

What I can't gauge here is how significant these issues are (and any
other issues).  So what I am hoping to get here is how you would
approach this conundrum - tried and tested VB6 or new VB.net?

Thanks

Richard


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From clh at christopherhawkins.com  Mon Sep 13 18:07:05 2004
From: clh at christopherhawkins.com (Christopher Hawkins)
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 17:07:05 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Outlook security and SendObject?
Message-ID: <186970-2200491132375633@christopherhawkins.com>

I've been struggling with an app that uses the SendObject command to
send eMail from within an Access app.  My client is VERY frustrated
with the additional delay that Outlook security builds in, having to
click 'OK' and then wait for the progress bar every time the app
needs to generate an eMail.

I was just reading this article: 
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;262701

That outlines dome of the developer issues regarding Outlook
security.  But it did not offer an concrete workarounds aside form a
mention that an administrator can grant a user sufficient permissions
to ignore the new security.  I guess if you could programatically
defeat it, it wouldn't be security.  ;)

Surely I am not the only one who has to deal with an app that send
eMail?  There must be a way to avoid the additional wait and mouse
clicks that Outlook security requires.  Anyone dealt with this before?

-C-
Respectfully,

Christopher Hawkins
Software Developer
(559) 687-7591
http://www.christopherhawkins.com




From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Sep 13 18:11:12 2004
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 16:11:12 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Outlook security and SendObject?
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312A5E@infoserver01.infostat.local>

We've had numerous discussions on this topic.  Many of us use Redemption
(http://dimastr.com/redemption/home.htm) to handle this, since it uses
extended MAPI calls and bypasses the security holes in Outlook.  Another
option is ClickYes.

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Christopher Hawkins [mailto:clh at christopherhawkins.com] 
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 4:07 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Outlook security and SendObject?


I've been struggling with an app that uses the SendObject command to
send eMail from within an Access app.  My client is VERY frustrated with
the additional delay that Outlook security builds in, having to click
'OK' and then wait for the progress bar every time the app needs to
generate an eMail.

I was just reading this article: 
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;262701

That outlines dome of the developer issues regarding Outlook security.
But it did not offer an concrete workarounds aside form a mention that
an administrator can grant a user sufficient permissions to ignore the
new security.  I guess if you could programatically defeat it, it
wouldn't be security.  ;)

Surely I am not the only one who has to deal with an app that send
eMail?  There must be a way to avoid the additional wait and mouse
clicks that Outlook security requires.  Anyone dealt with this before?

-C-
Respectfully,

Christopher Hawkins
Software Developer
(559) 687-7591
http://www.christopherhawkins.com


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From fhtapia at gmail.com  Mon Sep 13 20:08:30 2004
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 18:08:30 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Outlook security and SendObject?
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312A5E@infoserver01.infostat.local>
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312A5E@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <b874372a0409131808f007b98@mail.gmail.com>

and yet another option is blat... you can configure your application
to use their email settings to auto-send messages, w/ blat you can
even send attachments, you can find an example on how to set it up
here:
http://www.rogersaccesslibrary.com/OtherLibraries.asp#Tapia,Francisco


On Mon, 13 Sep 2004 16:11:12 -0700, Charlotte Foust
<cfoust at infostatsystems.com> wrote:
> We've had numerous discussions on this topic.  Many of us use Redemption
> (http://dimastr.com/redemption/home.htm) to handle this, since it uses
> extended MAPI calls and bypasses the security holes in Outlook.  Another
> option is ClickYes.
> 
> Charlotte Foust
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Christopher Hawkins [mailto:clh at christopherhawkins.com]
> Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 4:07 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Outlook security and SendObject?
> 
> I've been struggling with an app that uses the SendObject command to
> send eMail from within an Access app.  My client is VERY frustrated with
> the additional delay that Outlook security builds in, having to click
> 'OK' and then wait for the progress bar every time the app needs to
> generate an eMail.
> 
> I was just reading this article:
> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;262701
> 
> That outlines dome of the developer issues regarding Outlook security.
> But it did not offer an concrete workarounds aside form a mention that
> an administrator can grant a user sufficient permissions to ignore the
> new security.  I guess if you could programatically defeat it, it
> wouldn't be security.  ;)
> 
> Surely I am not the only one who has to deal with an app that send
> eMail?  There must be a way to avoid the additional wait and mouse
> clicks that Outlook security requires.  Anyone dealt with this before?
> 
> -C-
> Respectfully,
> 
> Christopher Hawkins
> Software Developer
> (559) 687-7591
> http://www.christopherhawkins.com
> 
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From KP at sdsonline.net  Mon Sep 13 20:13:21 2004
From: KP at sdsonline.net (Kath Pelletti)
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 11:13:21 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Urgent help please - Can't open html page in Frontpage
	from Access form
Message-ID: <003b01c499f8$074c8150$6501a8c0@user>

I have wasted ages on this so am now begging assistance........

I have an html file (empty at present - later it will have some basic text)

I need to my code to 
- Make a copy of the template.html file (I can do that) and 
- give it a new name, eg. Template_BHP_140904.html (I can do that)
- Open the html file just created in Frontpage for users to modify the document (That's where I'm stuck....)

My problem is a total lack of knowledge of files vs. webs and therefore the syntax I need. Questions: - 

- Do I have to have a 'web' or 'web folder' - can't I just have an html file and open it?

- If I can, what is the alternative syntax to .webs.open - eg. I am looking for a .pages.open property or .files.open ?

Here's my code so far - when I run it I get an error  - There is no web named "/E:/SDS/Clients/CPP/WebLetters/Template.html"


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Private Sub CmdOpenFP_Click()

Dim oFPweb As FrontPage.Web
Dim oFP As FrontPage.Application
Dim FrontPageRunning As Boolean

'Determine whether FrontPage is alredy open or not
FrontPageRunning = IsFrontPageRunning()

If Not FrontPageRunning Then
    MsgBox ("Frontpage is Closed")
    Set oFP = CreateObject("Frontpage.Application")
Else
    MsgBox ("Frontpage is already open")
    Set oFP = GetObject(, "Frontpage.Application")
End If

'add code here later to make a copy of my file

'open file in front page------------------------------------------------
oFP.Webs.Open ("E:\Sds\Clients\CPP\Webletters\template.html")        'STUCK HERE

 ' Show FrontPage
 oFPweb.Activate
 'Set oFP = Nothing

End Sub

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

TIA


Kath Pelletti
Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd.
Ph: 9505-6714
Fax: 9505-6430
KP at SDSOnline.net

From ebarro at afsweb.com  Mon Sep 13 20:31:46 2004
From: ebarro at afsweb.com (Eric Barro)
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 18:31:46 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Urgent help please - Can't open html page in
	Frontpagefrom Access form
In-Reply-To: <003b01c499f8$074c8150$6501a8c0@user>
Message-ID: <DPEGIFJOAFKLEDNNDGHCOEFAHCAA.ebarro@afsweb.com>

Kath,

FP webs expect to open these web folders in reference to the web root folder in IIS.

For example:

You have IIS (web server) running on the machine and you have a web called MYWEB. IIS sees this as http://localhost/MYWEB. The physical location (assuming the web root is C:\INETPUB\WWWROOT) is C:\INETPUB\WWWROOT\MYWEB\. So...if MYWEB is in a different folder...say C:\INETPUB\WWWROOT\ANOTHERFOLDER\MYWEB\  FP won't be able to recognize that as a web location.

---
Eric Barro
Senior Systems Analyst
Advanced Field Services
(208) 772-7060
http://www.afsweb.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 6:13 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Urgent help please - Can't open html page in
Frontpagefrom Access form


I have wasted ages on this so am now begging assistance........

I have an html file (empty at present - later it will have some basic text)

I need to my code to 
- Make a copy of the template.html file (I can do that) and 
- give it a new name, eg. Template_BHP_140904.html (I can do that)
- Open the html file just created in Frontpage for users to modify the document (That's where I'm stuck....)

My problem is a total lack of knowledge of files vs. webs and therefore the syntax I need. Questions: - 

- Do I have to have a 'web' or 'web folder' - can't I just have an html file and open it?

- If I can, what is the alternative syntax to .webs.open - eg. I am looking for a .pages.open property or .files.open ?

Here's my code so far - when I run it I get an error  - There is no web named "/E:/SDS/Clients/CPP/WebLetters/Template.html"


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Private Sub CmdOpenFP_Click()

Dim oFPweb As FrontPage.Web
Dim oFP As FrontPage.Application
Dim FrontPageRunning As Boolean

'Determine whether FrontPage is alredy open or not
FrontPageRunning = IsFrontPageRunning()

If Not FrontPageRunning Then
    MsgBox ("Frontpage is Closed")
    Set oFP = CreateObject("Frontpage.Application")
Else
    MsgBox ("Frontpage is already open")
    Set oFP = GetObject(, "Frontpage.Application")
End If

'add code here later to make a copy of my file

'open file in front page------------------------------------------------
oFP.Webs.Open ("E:\Sds\Clients\CPP\Webletters\template.html")        'STUCK HERE

 ' Show FrontPage
 oFPweb.Activate
 'Set oFP = Nothing

End Sub

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

TIA


Kath Pelletti
Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd.
Ph: 9505-6714
Fax: 9505-6430
KP at SDSOnline.net
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From ebarro at afsweb.com  Mon Sep 13 20:57:43 2004
From: ebarro at afsweb.com (Eric Barro)
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 18:57:43 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Outlook security and SendObject?
In-Reply-To: <b874372a0409131808f007b98@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DPEGIFJOAFKLEDNNDGHCEEFCHCAA.ebarro@afsweb.com>

Another good reason to migrate to .NET. Incorporating e-mail functionality is a breeze.

---
Eric Barro
Senior Systems Analyst
Advanced Field Services
(208) 772-7060
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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Francisco
Tapia
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 6:09 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Outlook security and SendObject?


and yet another option is blat... you can configure your application
to use their email settings to auto-send messages, w/ blat you can
even send attachments, you can find an example on how to set it up
here:
http://www.rogersaccesslibrary.com/OtherLibraries.asp#Tapia,Francisco


On Mon, 13 Sep 2004 16:11:12 -0700, Charlotte Foust
<cfoust at infostatsystems.com> wrote:
> We've had numerous discussions on this topic.  Many of us use Redemption
> (http://dimastr.com/redemption/home.htm) to handle this, since it uses
> extended MAPI calls and bypasses the security holes in Outlook.  Another
> option is ClickYes.
> 
> Charlotte Foust
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Christopher Hawkins [mailto:clh at christopherhawkins.com]
> Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 4:07 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Outlook security and SendObject?
> 
> I've been struggling with an app that uses the SendObject command to
> send eMail from within an Access app.  My client is VERY frustrated with
> the additional delay that Outlook security builds in, having to click
> 'OK' and then wait for the progress bar every time the app needs to
> generate an eMail.
> 
> I was just reading this article:
> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;262701
> 
> That outlines dome of the developer issues regarding Outlook security.
> But it did not offer an concrete workarounds aside form a mention that
> an administrator can grant a user sufficient permissions to ignore the
> new security.  I guess if you could programatically defeat it, it
> wouldn't be security.  ;)
> 
> Surely I am not the only one who has to deal with an app that send
> eMail?  There must be a way to avoid the additional wait and mouse
> clicks that Outlook security requires.  Anyone dealt with this before?
> 
> -C-
> Respectfully,
> 
> Christopher Hawkins
> Software Developer
> (559) 687-7591
> http://www.christopherhawkins.com




From michael.mattys at adelphia.net  Mon Sep 13 21:04:36 2004
From: michael.mattys at adelphia.net (Michael R Mattys)
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 22:04:36 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Hack Requested - Increase Combo Box Button Size?
References: <198030-22004911322203266@christopherhawkins.com>
Message-ID: <023201c499ff$305df270$6401a8c0@default>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Christopher Hawkins" <clh at christopherhawkins.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 6:20 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Hack Requested - Increase Combo Box Button Size?


> I suppose the title says it all.  I know there are various hacks for
> playing with the window sizes of everything, but I need to be
> surgical - I am creating an interface for a touch-screen computer,
> and it requires the use of a combo box.  
> 
> I need a way to fatten the combo box button and the scroll bar
> buttons.  Has anyone done this before?  Either prewritten code or a
> link in the right direction would be appreciated.
> 

Christopher,


If you don't get any other answers, try creating your own using a 
combination of commandbutton, textbox, and a listbox.

It should be easy enough, if you're familiar with it,
to create a WithEvents class to handle click events
for Dropdown, Visible, NotInList, etc.

----

Michael R. Mattys
Mattys MapLib for Microsoft MapPoint 
http://www.mattysconsulting.com


From clh at christopherhawkins.com  Mon Sep 13 23:39:57 2004
From: clh at christopherhawkins.com (Christopher Hawkins)
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 22:39:57 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Hack Requested - Increase Combo Box Button Size?
Message-ID: <410-22004921443957342@christopherhawkins.com>

I thought about that, but...eeeeeeew.  ;)

-C-

---- Original Message ----
From: michael.mattys at adelphia.net
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com, 
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Hack Requested - Increase Combo Box Button
Size?
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 22:04:36 -0400

>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Christopher Hawkins" <clh at christopherhawkins.com>
>To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 6:20 PM
>Subject: [AccessD] Hack Requested - Increase Combo Box Button Size?
>
>
>> I suppose the title says it all.  I know there are various hacks 
>for
>> playing with the window sizes of everything, but I need to be
>> surgical - I am creating an interface for a touch-screen computer,
>> and it requires the use of a combo box.  
>> 
>> I need a way to fatten the combo box button and the scroll bar
>> buttons.  Has anyone done this before?  Either prewritten code or a
>> link in the right direction would be appreciated.
>> 
>
>Christopher,
>
>
>If you don't get any other answers, try creating your own using a 
>combination of commandbutton, textbox, and a listbox.
>
>It should be easy enough, if you're familiar with it,
>to create a WithEvents class to handle click events
>for Dropdown, Visible, NotInList, etc.
>
>----
>
>Michael R. Mattys
>Mattys MapLib for Microsoft MapPoint 
>http://www.mattysconsulting.com
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Respectfully,

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From gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Sep 14 03:14:34 2004
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 10:14:34 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Modify the default event handlers to mimic the
	behavior of VB 6 control arrays (VB .NET)
In-Reply-To: <xFCH_iGAA=414601c6@offers.elementkjournals.com>
References: <xFCH_iGAA=414601c6@offers.elementkjournals.com>
Message-ID: <1184661242.20040914101434@cactus.dk>

Hi all .Net freaks

Just noticed this tip from Element K Journals.
But is it just me or would this be considered bad programming
practice? Whenever I find out an event for one control can be reused
by another control, I move that code to a subfunction.

/gustav

---

If you've been mourning the loss of control arrays in VB .NET,
wipe your eyes and listen up. While it's true that .NET put the
control Index property out to pasture, you can still point
multiple controls to an event subroutine just by modifying the
event subroutines .NET exposes automatically when you add a
control to a form. For example, suppose you have two buttons on a
form named Button1 and Button2. You can make the Click() event
subroutine for Button1 also handle the Click() event for Button2
just by adding Button2.Click to the Handles portion of the
subroutine, like so:

        Private Sub Button1_Click(ByVal sender As _ Object, ByVal e As
System.EventArgs) _
                Handles Button1.Click, Button2.Click

You can append as many control Click() events as you'd like to
the Handles statement, as long as you separate each event with a
comma. As an added bonus, you can also include other Button
events or even events from any number of non-button control types
on the form. That's more than you could ever do with a VB 6
control array.



From gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Sep 14 03:59:18 2004
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 10:59:18 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net
In-Reply-To: <FJEJLIPOMCGJALMGLLLIAELBCGAA.accessd@shaw.ca>
References: <FJEJLIPOMCGJALMGLLLIAELBCGAA.accessd@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <737345271.20040914105918@cactus.dk>

Hi Jim

> I do remember the original Access 1, a good start but a long way from a full
> product. I do not think until A97 we had a product to crow about...a good
> five years from start to market acceptance.

Access 2.0 worked and still works excellent - within its limitations,
of course.

/gustav



From KP at sdsonline.net  Tue Sep 14 06:47:24 2004
From: KP at sdsonline.net (Kath Pelletti)
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 21:47:24 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Urgent help please - Can't open html page
	inFrontpagefrom Access form
References: <DPEGIFJOAFKLEDNNDGHCOEFAHCAA.ebarro@afsweb.com>
Message-ID: <001501c49a50$9a982560$6501a8c0@user>

Thanks Eric - I am finding this so confusing. 

Yes - I have IIS running here - so my file must be in a folder from C:\Inetpub\wwwroot?  I need to allow the database users to share a common file - can it find a web in a network location?

To go back to the basic requirements - what I am trying to do is allow users to click on a button in the databse which will open a document which will be published to the web. I want them to be able to create and edit that document by following a link from an access form, because the letter that the users 'create' will be linked to recipients from my database.

They could theoretically do it in Word or Notepad (or even within Access), but I want them to see how it will preview on the web before they finalise it, so formatting is done. I don't want to have to worry about whether they are running IIS or create web folders or whatever - just open and edit a simple html file in Frontpage so they can see how it would publish. Am I going about this the wrong way?

TIA!
Kath
 
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Eric Barro 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
  Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 11:31 AM
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] Urgent help please - Can't open html page inFrontpagefrom Access form


  Kath,

  FP webs expect to open these web folders in reference to the web root folder in IIS.

  For example:

  You have IIS (web server) running on the machine and you have a web called MYWEB. IIS sees this as http://localhost/MYWEB. The physical location (assuming the web root is C:\INETPUB\WWWROOT) is C:\INETPUB\WWWROOT\MYWEB\. So...if MYWEB is in a different folder...say C:\INETPUB\WWWROOT\ANOTHERFOLDER\MYWEB\  FP won't be able to recognize that as a web location.

  ---
  Eric Barro
  Senior Systems Analyst
  Advanced Field Services
  (208) 772-7060
  http://www.afsweb.com 

  -----Original Message-----
  From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
  [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti
  Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 6:13 PM
  To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
  Subject: [AccessD] Urgent help please - Can't open html page in
  Frontpagefrom Access form


  I have wasted ages on this so am now begging assistance........

  I have an html file (empty at present - later it will have some basic text)

  I need to my code to 
  - Make a copy of the template.html file (I can do that) and 
  - give it a new name, eg. Template_BHP_140904.html (I can do that)
  - Open the html file just created in Frontpage for users to modify the document (That's where I'm stuck....)

  My problem is a total lack of knowledge of files vs. webs and therefore the syntax I need. Questions: - 

  - Do I have to have a 'web' or 'web folder' - can't I just have an html file and open it?

  - If I can, what is the alternative syntax to .webs.open - eg. I am looking for a .pages.open property or .files.open ?

  Here's my code so far - when I run it I get an error  - There is no web named "/E:/SDS/Clients/CPP/WebLetters/Template.html"


  --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

  Private Sub CmdOpenFP_Click()

  Dim oFPweb As FrontPage.Web
  Dim oFP As FrontPage.Application
  Dim FrontPageRunning As Boolean

  'Determine whether FrontPage is alredy open or not
  FrontPageRunning = IsFrontPageRunning()

  If Not FrontPageRunning Then
      MsgBox ("Frontpage is Closed")
      Set oFP = CreateObject("Frontpage.Application")
  Else
      MsgBox ("Frontpage is already open")
      Set oFP = GetObject(, "Frontpage.Application")
  End If

  'add code here later to make a copy of my file

  'open file in front page------------------------------------------------
  oFP.Webs.Open ("E:\Sds\Clients\CPP\Webletters\template.html")        'STUCK HERE

   ' Show FrontPage
   oFPweb.Activate
   'Set oFP = Nothing

  End Sub

  --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

  TIA


  Kath Pelletti
  Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd.
  Ph: 9505-6714
  Fax: 9505-6430
  KP at SDSOnline.net
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From d.dick at uws.edu.au  Tue Sep 14 07:24:45 2004
From: d.dick at uws.edu.au (Darren DICK)
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 22:24:45 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Time diff calcs
Message-ID: <HCENJIGLCHCJMAFKCBFKGEOKCOAA.d.dick@uws.edu.au>

Hello all
I want to calculate then insert into a table the duration of a users logon
in HOURS and MINUTES
In the logon table the default value for the logon field is Now() and is
captured at...You guessed at logon. I then run a query that updates the
Logoff field to Now() once the user answers YES to loggin off. The theory
being there will be a difference even if it is only 5 or 10 seconds. Unless
some clown plays with the clock after loggin on --- but forget all that :-))

Both logon and logoff fields data types in the Logon Table are General Date
(01/01/2004 15:45:25PM)

So a user logs on at say...14/09/2004 10:08:45 PM and then logs off at
say...14/09/2004 10:10:55 PM

The time logged on = 2 mins and 10 secs but how do I calculate that?

I have udsed DateDiff but with no success...
DateDiff("Short Time",[LogonTimeAndDate],Now())
DateDiff("mm",[LogonTimeAndDate],Now())
DateDiff("nn",[LogonTimeAndDate],Now()) etc etc

Many thanks in advance

Darren




From d.dick at uws.edu.au  Tue Sep 14 07:36:37 2004
From: d.dick at uws.edu.au (Darren DICK)
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 22:36:37 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Hack Requested - Increase Combo Box Button Size?
In-Reply-To: <410-22004921443957342@christopherhawkins.com>
Message-ID: <001901c49a57$7b21c720$4a619a89@DDICK>

Hi Chris
Maybe you can still use the combo box
Just hide the 'real' drop down arrow with a button the relevant
Size with an appropriate graphic
Then on the click of that button have some code that says something like...
Me.cmbMyCombo.setfocus
Me.cmbMyCombo.Dropdown

Your users will see the 'real' drop down arrow but see if you can play with
it

HTH

Have a great day

Darren



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Christopher
Hawkins
Sent: Tuesday, 14 September 2004 2:40 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Hack Requested - Increase Combo Box Button Size?


I thought about that, but...eeeeeeew.  ;)

-C-

---- Original Message ----
From: michael.mattys at adelphia.net
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com, 
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Hack Requested - Increase Combo Box Button Size?
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 22:04:36 -0400

>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Christopher Hawkins" <clh at christopherhawkins.com>
>To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 6:20 PM
>Subject: [AccessD] Hack Requested - Increase Combo Box Button Size?
>
>
>> I suppose the title says it all.  I know there are various hacks
>for
>> playing with the window sizes of everything, but I need to be 
>> surgical - I am creating an interface for a touch-screen computer, 
>> and it requires the use of a combo box.
>> 
>> I need a way to fatten the combo box button and the scroll bar 
>> buttons.  Has anyone done this before?  Either prewritten code or a 
>> link in the right direction would be appreciated.
>> 
>
>Christopher,
>
>
>If you don't get any other answers, try creating your own using a
>combination of commandbutton, textbox, and a listbox.
>
>It should be easy enough, if you're familiar with it,
>to create a WithEvents class to handle click events
>for Dropdown, Visible, NotInList, etc.
>
>----
>
>Michael R. Mattys
>Mattys MapLib for Microsoft MapPoint
>http://www.mattysconsulting.com
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>
Respectfully,

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From gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Sep 14 07:51:44 2004
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 14:51:44 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Time diff calcs
In-Reply-To: <HCENJIGLCHCJMAFKCBFKGEOKCOAA.d.dick@uws.edu.au>
References: <HCENJIGLCHCJMAFKCBFKGEOKCOAA.d.dick@uws.edu.au>
Message-ID: <16621291255.20040914145144@cactus.dk>

Hi Darren

That could be:

  lngDiff = DateDiff("n", [LogonTimeAndDate], Now())

To get hours and minutes:

  lngH = lngDiff \ 60
  lngM = lngDiff Mod 60

To convert to a pseudo time value for easy formatting:

  datTime = TimeSerial(lngH, lngM, 0)
  strTime = Format(datTime, "h:nn")

Be careful, though, if users (their machines) happen to be logged in
for more than 24 hours.

/gustav


> I want to calculate then insert into a table the duration of a users logon
> in HOURS and MINUTES
> In the logon table the default value for the logon field is Now() and is
> captured at...You guessed at logon. I then run a query that updates the
> Logoff field to Now() once the user answers YES to loggin off. The theory
> being there will be a difference even if it is only 5 or 10 seconds. Unless
> some clown plays with the clock after loggin on --- but forget all that :-))

> Both logon and logoff fields data types in the Logon Table are General Date
> (01/01/2004 15:45:25PM)

> So a user logs on at say...14/09/2004 10:08:45 PM and then logs off at
> say...14/09/2004 10:10:55 PM

> The time logged on = 2 mins and 10 secs but how do I calculate that?

> I have udsed DateDiff but with no success...
> DateDiff("Short Time",[LogonTimeAndDate],Now())
> DateDiff("mm",[LogonTimeAndDate],Now())
> DateDiff("nn",[LogonTimeAndDate],Now()) etc etc

> Many thanks in advance

> Darren



From BBarabash at TappeConstruction.com  Tue Sep 14 08:46:23 2004
From: BBarabash at TappeConstruction.com (Brett Barabash)
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 08:46:23 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Modify the default event handlers to mimic
	thebehavior of VB 6 control arrays (VB .NET)
Message-ID: <100F91B31300334B89EC531C9DCB0865065945@tccexch01.tappeconstruction.net>

Looks OK to me.  Are you saying that if you had consistent behaviors for
every button on your form, that you would write separate event handlers
for each control to call another proc?  Ugh!

BTW, you can call your event procedure anything you want.  Get rid of
the Button1_ moniker and it would be much more readable:

Private Sub ButtonClickHandler(ByVal sender As System.Object, ByVal e As
System.EventArgs) _
    Handles Button1.Click, Button2.Click

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 3:15 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Modify the default event handlers to mimic
thebehavior of VB 6 control arrays (VB .NET)


Hi all .Net freaks

Just noticed this tip from Element K Journals.
But is it just me or would this be considered bad programming practice?
Whenever I find out an event for one control can be reused by another
control, I move that code to a subfunction.

/gustav

---

If you've been mourning the loss of control arrays in VB .NET, wipe your
eyes and listen up. While it's true that .NET put the control Index
property out to pasture, you can still point multiple controls to an
event subroutine just by modifying the event subroutines .NET exposes
automatically when you add a control to a form. For example, suppose you
have two buttons on a form named Button1 and Button2. You can make the
Click() event subroutine for Button1 also handle the Click() event for
Button2 just by adding Button2.Click to the Handles portion of the
subroutine, like so:

        Private Sub Button1_Click(ByVal sender As _ Object, ByVal e As
System.EventArgs) _
                Handles Button1.Click, Button2.Click

You can append as many control Click() events as you'd like to the
Handles statement, as long as you separate each event with a comma. As
an added bonus, you can also include other Button events or even events
from any number of non-button control types on the form. That's more
than you could ever do with a VB 6 control array.


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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Sep 14 08:51:54 2004
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 09:51:54 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Modify the default event handlers to mimic
	thebehavior of VB 6 control arrays (VB .NET)
In-Reply-To: <1184661242.20040914101434@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <005601c49a62$01885180$e8dafea9@ColbyM6805>

Gustav,

In fact I use something similar using withevents.  As you know if a control
is dimensioned Withevents, its events can be sunk in that class.  What
happens however when you have a class for each control, the number of
controls monitored can vary, and yet you still want to be able to process
each control in a loop and monitor the events for that control?  By dimming
a single control Withevents, you can now iterate the loop of control
classes, get a pointer to the control that the class instance handles, and
SET the single control variable to the control in the class.  Now if the
control (or the class if you are monitoring class events) fires an event,
the supervisor can see it and process it.  Since the supervisor knows which
instance of the class or control it is processing at the moment it is easy
to figure out what to do with the event.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 4:15 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Modify the default event handlers to mimic
thebehavior of VB 6 control arrays (VB .NET)


Hi all .Net freaks

Just noticed this tip from Element K Journals.
But is it just me or would this be considered bad programming practice?
Whenever I find out an event for one control can be reused by another
control, I move that code to a subfunction.

/gustav

---

If you've been mourning the loss of control arrays in VB .NET, wipe your
eyes and listen up. While it's true that .NET put the control Index property
out to pasture, you can still point multiple controls to an event subroutine
just by modifying the event subroutines .NET exposes automatically when you
add a control to a form. For example, suppose you have two buttons on a form
named Button1 and Button2. You can make the Click() event subroutine for
Button1 also handle the Click() event for Button2 just by adding
Button2.Click to the Handles portion of the subroutine, like so:

        Private Sub Button1_Click(ByVal sender As _ Object, ByVal e As
System.EventArgs) _
                Handles Button1.Click, Button2.Click

You can append as many control Click() events as you'd like to the Handles
statement, as long as you separate each event with a comma. As an added
bonus, you can also include other Button events or even events from any
number of non-button control types on the form. That's more than you could
ever do with a VB 6 control array.

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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Tue Sep 14 08:54:28 2004
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (DWUTKA at marlow.com)
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 08:54:28 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Hack Requested - Increase Combo Box Button Size?
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8031BB374@main2.marlow.com>

Access forms, and their controls, do not act like other windows.  Typically,
on a normal window, every control is a 'child window', and thus can be
resized with API's.  Access only has ONE control window on the form, which
'shapes' around the active window.  It's wierd.

Anyhow, I can recommend two 'Non-ActiveX' approaches.  One, just put a
bigger command button next to the combobox, and have it trigger the DropDown
method of the combo box.  Two, a little more complex, but would allow you to
control all aspests, would be to build your own combo box with labels.  The
beta version of the MiniCalendar does this, for the Month list.  Everything
is either a picture or a label, but it 'acts' like a combo box.  That would
allow you to make the 'button' AND the items bigger.

Drew

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Christopher
Hawkins
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 5:21 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Hack Requested - Increase Combo Box Button Size?


I suppose the title says it all.  I know there are various hacks for
playing with the window sizes of everything, but I need to be
surgical - I am creating an interface for a touch-screen computer,
and it requires the use of a combo box.  

I need a way to fatten the combo box button and the scroll bar
buttons.  Has anyone done this before?  Either prewritten code or a
link in the right direction would be appreciated.

-Christopher-
Respectfully,

Christopher Hawkins
Software Developer
(559) 687-7591
http://www.christopherhawkins.com


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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Tue Sep 14 08:56:23 2004
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (DWUTKA at marlow.com)
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 08:56:23 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8031BB375@main2.marlow.com>

True for most .dll's.  I have had problems with mm.dll, the multimedia .dll.
Some software developers think they can tweak that one better, and I've had
.avi playing code that just fails on certain machines.  Go figure.  Other
then that, you're right, .dll's are rock solid for APIs.

Drew

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Stuart
McLachlan
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 5:45 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net


On 13 Sep 2004 at 17:17, Scott Marcus wrote:

> Drew,
> 
> Are you saying that .Net uses wrappers?
> 
> The problem with API's is dll hell. 

There's no DLL hell with the API.

The Win32 API uses system DLLS which are backward compatible between 
Windows versions. 

The majority of API calls work for every version of WIndows from W95 on 
including all of the most commonly used APIs.   If you want to use an API 
feature that is limited to certain OS versions, you just need to check the 
OSVersion first.



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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Tue Sep 14 09:01:14 2004
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (DWUTKA at marlow.com)
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 09:01:14 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Urgent help please - Can't open html page inFrontpa
	gefrom Access form
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8031BB376@main2.marlow.com>

If you have VB, you can just 'preview' it for them in a simple VB browser.

Drew

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti
Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 6:47 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Urgent help please - Can't open html page
inFrontpagefrom Access form


Thanks Eric - I am finding this so confusing. 

Yes - I have IIS running here - so my file must be in a folder from
C:\Inetpub\wwwroot?  I need to allow the database users to share a common
file - can it find a web in a network location?

To go back to the basic requirements - what I am trying to do is allow users
to click on a button in the databse which will open a document which will be
published to the web. I want them to be able to create and edit that
document by following a link from an access form, because the letter that
the users 'create' will be linked to recipients from my database.

They could theoretically do it in Word or Notepad (or even within Access),
but I want them to see how it will preview on the web before they finalise
it, so formatting is done. I don't want to have to worry about whether they
are running IIS or create web folders or whatever - just open and edit a
simple html file in Frontpage so they can see how it would publish. Am I
going about this the wrong way?

TIA!
Kath
 
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  From: Eric Barro 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
  Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 11:31 AM
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] Urgent help please - Can't open html page
inFrontpagefrom Access form


  Kath,

  FP webs expect to open these web folders in reference to the web root
folder in IIS.

  For example:

  You have IIS (web server) running on the machine and you have a web called
MYWEB. IIS sees this as http://localhost/MYWEB. The physical location
(assuming the web root is C:\INETPUB\WWWROOT) is C:\INETPUB\WWWROOT\MYWEB\.
So...if MYWEB is in a different folder...say
C:\INETPUB\WWWROOT\ANOTHERFOLDER\MYWEB\  FP won't be able to recognize that
as a web location.

  ---
  Eric Barro
  Senior Systems Analyst
  Advanced Field Services
  (208) 772-7060
  http://www.afsweb.com 

  -----Original Message-----
  From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
  [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti
  Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 6:13 PM
  To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
  Subject: [AccessD] Urgent help please - Can't open html page in
  Frontpagefrom Access form


  I have wasted ages on this so am now begging assistance........

  I have an html file (empty at present - later it will have some basic
text)

  I need to my code to 
  - Make a copy of the template.html file (I can do that) and 
  - give it a new name, eg. Template_BHP_140904.html (I can do that)
  - Open the html file just created in Frontpage for users to modify the
document (That's where I'm stuck....)

  My problem is a total lack of knowledge of files vs. webs and therefore
the syntax I need. Questions: - 

  - Do I have to have a 'web' or 'web folder' - can't I just have an html
file and open it?

  - If I can, what is the alternative syntax to .webs.open - eg. I am
looking for a .pages.open property or .files.open ?

  Here's my code so far - when I run it I get an error  - There is no web
named "/E:/SDS/Clients/CPP/WebLetters/Template.html"


 
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
----

  Private Sub CmdOpenFP_Click()

  Dim oFPweb As FrontPage.Web
  Dim oFP As FrontPage.Application
  Dim FrontPageRunning As Boolean

  'Determine whether FrontPage is alredy open or not
  FrontPageRunning = IsFrontPageRunning()

  If Not FrontPageRunning Then
      MsgBox ("Frontpage is Closed")
      Set oFP = CreateObject("Frontpage.Application")
  Else
      MsgBox ("Frontpage is already open")
      Set oFP = GetObject(, "Frontpage.Application")
  End If

  'add code here later to make a copy of my file

  'open file in front page------------------------------------------------
  oFP.Webs.Open ("E:\Sds\Clients\CPP\Webletters\template.html")
'STUCK HERE

   ' Show FrontPage
   oFPweb.Activate
   'Set oFP = Nothing

  End Sub

 
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
----

  TIA


  Kath Pelletti
  Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd.
  Ph: 9505-6714
  Fax: 9505-6430
  KP at SDSOnline.net
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From deanellis at iprimus.com.au  Tue Sep 14 09:26:25 2004
From: deanellis at iprimus.com.au (Dean Ellis)
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 23:56:25 +0930
Subject: [AccessD] Details of Tables, queries etc being accessed by Forms.
Message-ID: <NHBBJMFJGLBLEAIIABJMMEMOCDAA.deanellis@iprimus.com.au>

Hi all,

I have a database that I work with continually. It works well and people are
begining to sit up and take notice of it. (Yes Darren, it's my monster).
When I do development work on it, It's become that large that at times, I
need to go into the design side of a form and read the code to know what
table, or query, or form to open. What I would like to know, and its really
for my own benefit, is; Is there a way that I can have a form (just 1 form),
That I can access, say using a self created shortcut key, that will detail
the table  or query being accessed by the form, the names of any subforms on
the main form? If this can be done, how much info of this nature can I
extract?

Thanks in advance.

Dean Ellis
ph 08 8398 5536
m 0410 474 910
Visit our website: www.jedel.com


From Paul.Rogers at SummitMedia.co.uk  Tue Sep 14 09:34:51 2004
From: Paul.Rogers at SummitMedia.co.uk (Paul Rodgers)
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 15:34:51 +0100
Subject: [AccessD]Making windows speaka da English
Message-ID: <EAF3070ACB1AD81182280002A51EF731192213@s003.wolds.summitmedia.co.uk>

How to change a foreign windows 2k to English, that is the challenge. Anyone
ever managed it, please? Cheers paul

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From cyx5 at cdc.gov  Tue Sep 14 09:20:13 2004
From: cyx5 at cdc.gov (Nicholson, Karen)
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 10:20:13 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Table TempMSYSAccessObjects Already Exists
Message-ID: <A5B5AA20555F594BA7B6BD2048E49E438406AF@m-niosh-5.niosh.cdc.gov>

I was compacting my database when I ran out of room on my L drive.
Apparently, I see that I have lots of space, by IT has the drive
configured to maintain a mirror backup which is only cleared out every
five days.  So, the compact fails.  I moved the database to my L drive,
but now when I try to compact, I get the error message saying Table
TempMYSYSAccessObjects already exists.  I turned on the feature to view
the system tables.  Can I delete this table to try to compact that
database?  Has anyone else run into this?  Thanks.  Grumble grumble...

Karen Nicholson
National Laboratory
Xerox Global Services




From markamatte at hotmail.com  Tue Sep 14 09:20:11 2004
From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte)
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 14:20:11 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Time diff calcs
Message-ID: <BAY1-F6Zu8VamThcdV2000acc4c@hotmail.com>

Darren,

I use something similar for a re-measure tool...(its like a built in 
stopwatch)...anyway...I just take a datediff of seconds...and then put it 
through this little sub to split it into seconds and minutes(could be 
converted for hours also).  Please let me know if you have any questions.

Thanks,

Mark A. Matte

Me!EndDTTM = Now()
Dim Seconds
Dim RMmin
Dim RMsec
Seconds = DateDiff("s", Me!StartDTTM, Me!EndDTTM)
Dim Check, Counter
Check = True: Counter = 0

Do
    Counter = Counter + 1
    If Counter * 60 > Seconds Then
        RMmin = Counter - 1
        RMsec = Seconds - ((Counter - 1) * 60)
        Check = False
        Exit Do
    End If
Loop Until Check = False
Forms!frmRecords!RMCallLengthM.Value = RMmin
Forms!frmRecords!RMCallLengthS.Value = RMsec
DoCmd.close


>From: "Darren DICK" <d.dick at uws.edu.au>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: "AccessD List" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Time diff calcs
>Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 22:24:45 +1000
>
>Hello all
>I want to calculate then insert into a table the duration of a users logon
>in HOURS and MINUTES
>In the logon table the default value for the logon field is Now() and is
>captured at...You guessed at logon. I then run a query that updates the
>Logoff field to Now() once the user answers YES to loggin off. The theory
>being there will be a difference even if it is only 5 or 10 seconds. Unless
>some clown plays with the clock after loggin on --- but forget all that 
>:-))
>
>Both logon and logoff fields data types in the Logon Table are General Date
>(01/01/2004 15:45:25PM)
>
>So a user logs on at say...14/09/2004 10:08:45 PM and then logs off at
>say...14/09/2004 10:10:55 PM
>
>The time logged on = 2 mins and 10 secs but how do I calculate that?
>
>I have udsed DateDiff but with no success...
>DateDiff("Short Time",[LogonTimeAndDate],Now())
>DateDiff("mm",[LogonTimeAndDate],Now())
>DateDiff("nn",[LogonTimeAndDate],Now()) etc etc
>
>Many thanks in advance
>
>Darren
>
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From d.dick at uws.edu.au  Tue Sep 14 09:52:00 2004
From: d.dick at uws.edu.au (Darren DICK)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 00:52:00 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Details of Tables, queries etc being accessed by Forms.
In-Reply-To: <NHBBJMFJGLBLEAIIABJMMEMOCDAA.deanellis@iprimus.com.au>
Message-ID: <002001c49a6a$63ad5010$4a619a89@DDICK>

Hey Deano 
Dunno if this is what you want but..

Put a label control in the header called lblMyRecSet and the following code
on load of the form

Me.lblMyRecSet.Caption = "Recordset for this form: '" & Me.Form.Name & "' =
" &  Me.RecordSource 

Should work for tables or SQL statements

See ya - going to bed now 

Have a great day

Darren



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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dean Ellis
Sent: Wednesday, 15 September 2004 12:26 AM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] Details of Tables, queries etc being accessed by Forms.


Hi all,

I have a database that I work with continually. It works well and people are
begining to sit up and take notice of it. (Yes Darren, it's my monster).
When I do development work on it, It's become that large that at times, I
need to go into the design side of a form and read the code to know what
table, or query, or form to open. What I would like to know, and its really
for my own benefit, is; Is there a way that I can have a form (just 1 form),
That I can access, say using a self created shortcut key, that will detail
the table  or query being accessed by the form, the names of any subforms on
the main form? If this can be done, how much info of this nature can I
extract?

Thanks in advance.

Dean Ellis
ph 08 8398 5536
m 0410 474 910
Visit our website: www.jedel.com




From gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Sep 14 09:55:40 2004
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 16:55:40 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Modify the default event handlers to mimic
	thebehavior of VB 6 control arrays (VB .NET)
In-Reply-To: <100F91B31300334B89EC531C9DCB0865065945@tccexch01.tappeconstruction.net>
References: <100F91B31300334B89EC531C9DCB0865065945@tccexch01.tappeconstruction.net>
Message-ID: <12428727037.20040914165540@cactus.dk>

Hi Brett and John

Brett, thanks for clearing this up. I can see I have been victimised
by unreadable code as I - as you guessed - wearing my Access goggles
read Button1_Click as the event handler.

So this in the "reverse" of calling a sub from several events?
You specify a sub and specify - withing this - which events should
call the sub? Have in mind please, that I'm not familiar with neither
VB6 or dot Net.

Of course you are both right about WithEvents. However, sometimes you
just need to, say, have updating of a checkbox and clicking a button
to do the same; then I don't write duplicate code but move it to a sub
which I call from the relevant events.

/gustav


> Looks OK to me.  Are you saying that if you had consistent behaviors for
> every button on your form, that you would write separate event handlers
> for each control to call another proc?  Ugh!

> BTW, you can call your event procedure anything you want.  Get rid of
> the Button1_ moniker and it would be much more readable:

> Private Sub ButtonClickHandler(ByVal sender As System.Object, ByVal e As
> System.EventArgs) _
>     Handles Button1.Click, Button2.Click

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
> Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 3:15 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] OT: Modify the default event handlers to mimic
> thebehavior of VB 6 control arrays (VB .NET)


> Hi all .Net freaks

> Just noticed this tip from Element K Journals.
> But is it just me or would this be considered bad programming practice?
> Whenever I find out an event for one control can be reused by another
> control, I move that code to a subfunction.

> /gustav

> ---

> If you've been mourning the loss of control arrays in VB .NET, wipe your
> eyes and listen up. While it's true that .NET put the control Index
> property out to pasture, you can still point multiple controls to an
> event subroutine just by modifying the event subroutines .NET exposes
> automatically when you add a control to a form. For example, suppose you
> have two buttons on a form named Button1 and Button2. You can make the
> Click() event subroutine for Button1 also handle the Click() event for
> Button2 just by adding Button2.Click to the Handles portion of the
> subroutine, like so:

>         Private Sub Button1_Click(ByVal sender As _ Object, ByVal e As
> System.EventArgs) _
>                 Handles Button1.Click, Button2.Click

> You can append as many control Click() events as you'd like to the
> Handles statement, as long as you separate each event with a comma. As
> an added bonus, you can also include other Button events or even events
> from any number of non-button control types on the form. That's more
> than you could ever do with a VB 6 control array.



From actebs at actebs.com.au  Tue Sep 14 10:56:42 2004
From: actebs at actebs.com.au (ACTEBS)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 01:56:42 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Re: emailing a newsletter
Message-ID: <2025BB6F17FCB54791F23CD5055833280384F1@starfleet.unknown.local>

Reuben,

I wouldn't mid a copy as well...

Thanks
Vlad

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Ervin Brindza
Sent: Monday, 13 September 2004 7:46 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Re: emailing a newsletter


Reuben,
could you share it, please?
Many TIA,
    Ervin
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From: "Reuben Cummings" <reuben at gfconsultants.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: 10 September, 2004 5:47 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] emailing a newsletter


> Augusta, I sent you a copy of a very small db that I have than can do 
> what you are after.
>
> Reuben Cummings
> GFC, LLC
> phone: 812.523.1017
> email: reuben at gfconsultants.com
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of augusta
> > Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 9:30 AM
> > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > Subject: [AccessD] emailing a newsletter
> >
> >
> > I have a client who has about 700 email addresses within an Access 
> > database to whom she would like to send a newsletter.
> >
> > Can anyone suggest a good way of going about this, other than 
> > query/copy/paste in to outlook? Also, for some reason when she does 
> > it this way, she can only use about 50 address.
> >
> > Thanks augusta
> >
> >
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From BBarabash at TappeConstruction.com  Tue Sep 14 10:44:59 2004
From: BBarabash at TappeConstruction.com (Brett Barabash)
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 10:44:59 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Modify the default event handlers to
	mimicthebehavior of VB 6 control arrays (VB .NET)
Message-ID: <100F91B31300334B89EC531C9DCB0865065946@tccexch01.tappeconstruction.net>

>So this in the "reverse" of calling a sub from several events? 
>You specify a sub and specify - withing this - which events should call
the sub?

Exactly, that's what the Handles keyword is all about.  Delegation is
one of the new VB.NET features that opens up all sorts of possibilities.

Notice the argument list for the button click handler:
ByVal sender As System.Object, ByVal e As System.EventArgs

These standard arguments are used for all handlers.  Therefore, you
could create a single handler to handle your button click and a checkbox
click (and a textbox change for that matter!).

The Handles keyword serves as a nice tidy wrapper around the
System.Delegate assembly.  There are some cool things that can be done
through code, like dynamically assigning a method from one class (or
control) to be automatically handled by another classes method.


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 9:56 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Modify the default event handlers to
mimicthebehavior of VB 6 control arrays (VB .NET)


Hi Brett and John

Brett, thanks for clearing this up. I can see I have been victimised by
unreadable code as I - as you guessed - wearing my Access goggles read
Button1_Click as the event handler.

So this in the "reverse" of calling a sub from several events?
You specify a sub and specify - withing this - which events should call
the sub? Have in mind please, that I'm not familiar with neither
VB6 or dot Net.

Of course you are both right about WithEvents. However, sometimes you
just need to, say, have updating of a checkbox and clicking a button to
do the same; then I don't write duplicate code but move it to a sub
which I call from the relevant events.

/gustav


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From adtp at touchtelindia.net  Tue Sep 14 13:36:16 2004
From: adtp at touchtelindia.net (A.D.Tejpal)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 00:06:16 +0530
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Time diff calcs
References: <HCENJIGLCHCJMAFKCBFKGEOKCOAA.d.dick@uws.edu.au>
Message-ID: <00af01c49a89$e9791480$bb1865cb@winxp>

Darren,

    The select query given below should get you the period lapsed in terms of DaysGap (if more than 24 hrs) and TimeGap (over & above the completed days).

    T_Log is the name of data table.

Regards,
A.D.Tejpal

=================================
SELECT T_Log.LogonTimeAndDate, Int(Now()-[LogonTimeAndDate]) AS DaysGap, Format((Now()-[LogonTimeAndDate]),"hh:nn:ss") AS TimeGap
FROM T_Log;
=================================

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Darren DICK 
  To: AccessD List 
  Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 17:54
  Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Time diff calcs


  Hello all
  I want to calculate then insert into a table the duration of a users logon
  in HOURS and MINUTES
  In the logon table the default value for the logon field is Now() and is
  captured at...You guessed at logon. I then run a query that updates the
  Logoff field to Now() once the user answers YES to loggin off. The theory
  being there will be a difference even if it is only 5 or 10 seconds. Unless
  some clown plays with the clock after loggin on --- but forget all that :-))

  Both logon and logoff fields data types in the Logon Table are General Date
  (01/01/2004 15:45:25PM)

  So a user logs on at say...14/09/2004 10:08:45 PM and then logs off at
  say...14/09/2004 10:10:55 PM

  The time logged on = 2 mins and 10 secs but how do I calculate that?

  I have udsed DateDiff but with no success...
  DateDiff("Short Time",[LogonTimeAndDate],Now())
  DateDiff("mm",[LogonTimeAndDate],Now())
  DateDiff("nn",[LogonTimeAndDate],Now()) etc etc

  Many thanks in advance

  Darren



From artful at rogers.com  Tue Sep 14 14:33:41 2004
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 15:33:41 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Time diff calcs
In-Reply-To: <HCENJIGLCHCJMAFKCBFKGEOKCOAA.d.dick@uws.edu.au>
Message-ID: <027201c49a91$be215f10$6501a8c0@rock>

IMHO you should always store time differences in seconds rather than any
higher denomination, then leave the formatting of same to the front end.
That way, IMO, your back-end data is always correct (and easily
calculated), and you can postpone the formatting until the front end is
right, confident that your data in the back-end is correct.

Just my $.02.

Arthur

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darren DICK
Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 8:25 AM
To: AccessD List
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Time diff calcs


Hello all
I want to calculate then insert into a table the duration of a users
logon in HOURS and MINUTES In the logon table the default value for the
logon field is Now() and is captured at...You guessed at logon. I then
run a query that updates the Logoff field to Now() once the user answers
YES to loggin off. The theory being there will be a difference even if
it is only 5 or 10 seconds. Unless some clown plays with the clock after
loggin on --- but forget all that :-))

Both logon and logoff fields data types in the Logon Table are General
Date (01/01/2004 15:45:25PM)

So a user logs on at say...14/09/2004 10:08:45 PM and then logs off at
say...14/09/2004 10:10:55 PM

The time logged on = 2 mins and 10 secs but how do I calculate that?

I have udsed DateDiff but with no success...
DateDiff("Short Time",[LogonTimeAndDate],Now())
DateDiff("mm",[LogonTimeAndDate],Now())
DateDiff("nn",[LogonTimeAndDate],Now()) etc etc

Many thanks in advance

Darren


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From Subscriptions at servicexp.com  Tue Sep 14 16:26:05 2004
From: Subscriptions at servicexp.com (Robert Gracie)
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 17:26:05 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Connecting to MySQL across Internet
In-Reply-To: <027201c49a91$be215f10$6501a8c0@rock>
Message-ID: <GPEGJHKJCEPGJIEIOEOOOEKGEBAA.Subscriptions@servicexp.com>

Hello,
 I have a program that may need to connect to a MySQL database across the
internet, on the fly. It's only for a very small portion of the program so
it may or may not be needed to be utilized by many users.

 So basically what is the best (lightest) way to make this connection on the
fly, and only when needed? I think I will be looking at 3-4 tables MAX.


Robert Gracie
www.servicexp.com




From mike at welshfam.org  Tue Sep 14 17:03:14 2004
From: mike at welshfam.org (Michael Welsh)
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 18:03:14 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Hack Requested - Increase Combo Box Button Size?
In-Reply-To: <410-22004921443957342@christopherhawkins.com>
Message-ID: <200409142203.i8EM37616960@databaseadvisors.com>

Chris,
The scrollbars and dropdown arrows are sized by Windows. If you change the
size of the scroll bar in the Display properties, Access changes the size in
all of your forms. Display Properties: Appearance: Advanced: select
Scrollbar, change size (WindowsXP).

Mike 

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Christopher
Hawkins
Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 12:40 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Hack Requested - Increase Combo Box Button Size?

I thought about that, but...eeeeeeew.  ;)

-C-

---- Original Message ----
From: michael.mattys at adelphia.net
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com,
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Hack Requested - Increase Combo Box Button Size?
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 22:04:36 -0400

>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Christopher Hawkins" <clh at christopherhawkins.com>
>To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 6:20 PM
>Subject: [AccessD] Hack Requested - Increase Combo Box Button Size?
>
>
>> I suppose the title says it all.  I know there are various hacks
>for
>> playing with the window sizes of everything, but I need to be 
>> surgical - I am creating an interface for a touch-screen computer, 
>> and it requires the use of a combo box.
>> 
>> I need a way to fatten the combo box button and the scroll bar 
>> buttons.  Has anyone done this before?  Either prewritten code or a 
>> link in the right direction would be appreciated.
>> 
>
>Christopher,
>
>
>If you don't get any other answers, try creating your own using a 
>combination of commandbutton, textbox, and a listbox.
>
>It should be easy enough, if you're familiar with it, to create a 
>WithEvents class to handle click events for Dropdown, Visible, 
>NotInList, etc.
>
>----
>
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From pblack at hotmail.com  Tue Sep 14 17:16:40 2004
From: pblack at hotmail.com (Paul Black)
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 22:16:40 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Problem with code to change field data type in vba
Message-ID: <BAY22-F34y9vGz1JeKi00076e93@hotmail.com>

Hi

I using Access 97 and can not get the following to work:

Private Sub Command0_Click()
Dim fld As Field
Dim dbs As Database
Dim tbl As TableDef

Set dbs = CurrentDb()
For Each fld In tbl.Fields
    If Left$(tbl.Name, 2) = "t_" And fld <> "t_proj" And fld <> "t_pt" And 
fld <> "t_plink" And fld <> "ptlink" And fld <> "t_species" Then
        fld.Type = dbInteger
    End If
Next fld

Beep
MsgBox "Done"
End Sub

It is supposed to change the field data type to integer from text. All field 
names to change begin with 't_' excluding certain fields listed above. I 
keep getting an error:

Runtime error '91'
Object Variable or With Block variable not set

Other than the excluded fields above all the data conatined in the fields is 
numeric or has a Null value... but it is in a text field. The data is coming 
to me off of a Pocket PC and it won't let me change the field type to 
numeric.

Please help me solve this.

Thanks

PB

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From KP at sdsonline.net  Tue Sep 14 18:12:05 2004
From: KP at sdsonline.net (Kath Pelletti)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 09:12:05 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Urgent help please - Can't open html page
	inFrontpagefrom Access form
References: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8031BB376@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <006501c49ab0$4255fe30$6501a8c0@user>

I don't have VB Drew.......

Kath
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: DWUTKA at marlow.com 
  To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 12:01 AM
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] Urgent help please - Can't open html page inFrontpagefrom Access form


  If you have VB, you can just 'preview' it for them in a simple VB browser.

  Drew

  -----Original Message-----
  From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
  [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti
  Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 6:47 AM
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Urgent help please - Can't open html page
  inFrontpagefrom Access form


  Thanks Eric - I am finding this so confusing. 

  Yes - I have IIS running here - so my file must be in a folder from
  C:\Inetpub\wwwroot?  I need to allow the database users to share a common
  file - can it find a web in a network location?

  To go back to the basic requirements - what I am trying to do is allow users
  to click on a button in the databse which will open a document which will be
  published to the web. I want them to be able to create and edit that
  document by following a link from an access form, because the letter that
  the users 'create' will be linked to recipients from my database.

  They could theoretically do it in Word or Notepad (or even within Access),
  but I want them to see how it will preview on the web before they finalise
  it, so formatting is done. I don't want to have to worry about whether they
  are running IIS or create web folders or whatever - just open and edit a
  simple html file in Frontpage so they can see how it would publish. Am I
  going about this the wrong way?

  TIA!
  Kath
   
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Eric Barro 
    To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
    Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 11:31 AM
    Subject: RE: [AccessD] Urgent help please - Can't open html page
  inFrontpagefrom Access form


    Kath,

    FP webs expect to open these web folders in reference to the web root
  folder in IIS.

    For example:

    You have IIS (web server) running on the machine and you have a web called
  MYWEB. IIS sees this as http://localhost/MYWEB. The physical location
  (assuming the web root is C:\INETPUB\WWWROOT) is C:\INETPUB\WWWROOT\MYWEB\.
  So...if MYWEB is in a different folder...say
  C:\INETPUB\WWWROOT\ANOTHERFOLDER\MYWEB\  FP won't be able to recognize that
  as a web location.

    ---
    Eric Barro
    Senior Systems Analyst
    Advanced Field Services
    (208) 772-7060
    http://www.afsweb.com 

    -----Original Message-----
    From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
    [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti
    Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 6:13 PM
    To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
    Subject: [AccessD] Urgent help please - Can't open html page in
    Frontpagefrom Access form


    I have wasted ages on this so am now begging assistance........

    I have an html file (empty at present - later it will have some basic
  text)

    I need to my code to 
    - Make a copy of the template.html file (I can do that) and 
    - give it a new name, eg. Template_BHP_140904.html (I can do that)
    - Open the html file just created in Frontpage for users to modify the
  document (That's where I'm stuck....)

    My problem is a total lack of knowledge of files vs. webs and therefore
  the syntax I need. Questions: - 

    - Do I have to have a 'web' or 'web folder' - can't I just have an html
  file and open it?

    - If I can, what is the alternative syntax to .webs.open - eg. I am
  looking for a .pages.open property or .files.open ?

    Here's my code so far - when I run it I get an error  - There is no web
  named "/E:/SDS/Clients/CPP/WebLetters/Template.html"


   
  ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
  ----

    Private Sub CmdOpenFP_Click()

    Dim oFPweb As FrontPage.Web
    Dim oFP As FrontPage.Application
    Dim FrontPageRunning As Boolean

    'Determine whether FrontPage is alredy open or not
    FrontPageRunning = IsFrontPageRunning()

    If Not FrontPageRunning Then
        MsgBox ("Frontpage is Closed")
        Set oFP = CreateObject("Frontpage.Application")
    Else
        MsgBox ("Frontpage is already open")
        Set oFP = GetObject(, "Frontpage.Application")
    End If

    'add code here later to make a copy of my file

    'open file in front page------------------------------------------------
    oFP.Webs.Open ("E:\Sds\Clients\CPP\Webletters\template.html")
  'STUCK HERE

     ' Show FrontPage
     oFPweb.Activate
     'Set oFP = Nothing

    End Sub

   
  ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
  ----

    TIA


    Kath Pelletti
    Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd.
    Ph: 9505-6714
    Fax: 9505-6430
    KP at SDSOnline.net
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From rfv at entelix.com  Tue Sep 14 19:17:19 2004
From: rfv at entelix.com (rfv at entelix.com)
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 19:17:19 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] (no subject)
Message-ID: <200409150017.i8F0HO624634@databaseadvisors.com>

Hi,

I am not sure if it is correct to post this kind of message on this forum.
If it is not, please I apologize.

We just uploaded our first beta demo to  <http://www.dbxtra.com/>
www.dbxtra.com.

DBxtra - enterprise reporting system - is a innovative and comprehensive
data-explorer and reporting tool for information delivery, analysis and
decision making. It connects to multiple databases across enterprises, and
allows exploring your data in unlimited ways in order to take the right
business decisions.

It does the following
1. Connect to your data (MS Access, SQL Server, Excel, Paradox, DBF and Tetx
files)
2. Explore your data
3. Design and deploy your reports
4. Export your data
5. Send your data by E-mail
6. Schedule reports and alerts

 

You can download a demo and test it. After you tested it and if you write us
your comments, we will give you a license for free.

I am also open minded to receive any critics about the web site.

Thanks to all of you.

 

Rudolf F. Vanek

www.dbxtra.com <http://www.dbxtra.com/> 

 

 

 



From rfv at entelix.com  Tue Sep 14 19:17:41 2004
From: rfv at entelix.com (rfv at entelix.com)
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 19:17:41 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] DBxtra
Message-ID: <200409150017.i8F0Hl625569@databaseadvisors.com>

Hi,

I am not sure if it is correct to post this kind of message on this forum.
If it is not, please I apologize.

We just uploaded our first beta demo to  <http://www.dbxtra.com/>
www.dbxtra.com.

DBxtra - enterprise reporting system - is a innovative and comprehensive
data-explorer and reporting tool for information delivery, analysis and
decision making. It connects to multiple databases across enterprises, and
allows exploring your data in unlimited ways in order to take the right
business decisions.

It does the following
1. Connect to your data (MS Access, SQL Server, Excel, Paradox, DBF and Tetx
files)
2. Explore your data
3. Design and deploy your reports
4. Export your data
5. Send your data by E-mail
6. Schedule reports and alerts

 

You can download a demo and test it. After you tested it and if you write us
your comments, we will give you a license for free.

I am also open minded to receive any critics about the web site.

Thanks to all of you.

 

Rudolf F. Vanek

www.dbxtra.com <http://www.dbxtra.com/> 

 

 

 



From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Sep 14 22:03:57 2004
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence (AccessD))
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 20:03:57 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Urgent help please - Can't open html pageinFrontpagefrom
	Access form
In-Reply-To: <006501c49ab0$4255fe30$6501a8c0@user>
Message-ID: <FJEJLIPOMCGJALMGLLLIEEMECGAA.accessd@shaw.ca>

Hi Kath:

If the file is in html format and saved with the html extension. I.e.
test.html, then any station with an active browser will display it. Even if
the file is originally a document file it can be saved as an html file and
Microsoft will do the conversion for you...sometime it is not very pretty
but it is simple. All that has to be done for each station to view/run it is
that the html 'document' has to be stored in a common shared directory.

HTH
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti
Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 4:12 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Urgent help please - Can't open html
pageinFrontpagefrom Access form


I don't have VB Drew.......

Kath
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: DWUTKA at marlow.com
  To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
  Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 12:01 AM
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] Urgent help please - Can't open html page
inFrontpagefrom Access form


  If you have VB, you can just 'preview' it for them in a simple VB browser.

  Drew

  -----Original Message-----
  From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
  [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti
  Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 6:47 AM
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Urgent help please - Can't open html page
  inFrontpagefrom Access form


  Thanks Eric - I am finding this so confusing.

  Yes - I have IIS running here - so my file must be in a folder from
  C:\Inetpub\wwwroot?  I need to allow the database users to share a common
  file - can it find a web in a network location?

  To go back to the basic requirements - what I am trying to do is allow
users
  to click on a button in the databse which will open a document which will
be
  published to the web. I want them to be able to create and edit that
  document by following a link from an access form, because the letter that
  the users 'create' will be linked to recipients from my database.

  They could theoretically do it in Word or Notepad (or even within Access),
  but I want them to see how it will preview on the web before they finalise
  it, so formatting is done. I don't want to have to worry about whether
they
  are running IIS or create web folders or whatever - just open and edit a
  simple html file in Frontpage so they can see how it would publish. Am I
  going about this the wrong way?

  TIA!
  Kath

    ----- Original Message -----
    From: Eric Barro
    To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
    Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 11:31 AM
    Subject: RE: [AccessD] Urgent help please - Can't open html page
  inFrontpagefrom Access form


    Kath,

    FP webs expect to open these web folders in reference to the web root
  folder in IIS.

    For example:

    You have IIS (web server) running on the machine and you have a web
called
  MYWEB. IIS sees this as http://localhost/MYWEB. The physical location
  (assuming the web root is C:\INETPUB\WWWROOT) is
C:\INETPUB\WWWROOT\MYWEB\.
  So...if MYWEB is in a different folder...say
  C:\INETPUB\WWWROOT\ANOTHERFOLDER\MYWEB\  FP won't be able to recognize
that
  as a web location.

    ---
    Eric Barro
    Senior Systems Analyst
    Advanced Field Services
    (208) 772-7060
    http://www.afsweb.com

    -----Original Message-----
    From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
    [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti
    Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 6:13 PM
    To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
    Subject: [AccessD] Urgent help please - Can't open html page in
    Frontpagefrom Access form


    I have wasted ages on this so am now begging assistance........

    I have an html file (empty at present - later it will have some basic
  text)

    I need to my code to
    - Make a copy of the template.html file (I can do that) and
    - give it a new name, eg. Template_BHP_140904.html (I can do that)
    - Open the html file just created in Frontpage for users to modify the
  document (That's where I'm stuck....)

    My problem is a total lack of knowledge of files vs. webs and therefore
  the syntax I need. Questions: -

    - Do I have to have a 'web' or 'web folder' - can't I just have an html
  file and open it?

    - If I can, what is the alternative syntax to .webs.open - eg. I am
  looking for a .pages.open property or .files.open ?

    Here's my code so far - when I run it I get an error  - There is no web
  named "/E:/SDS/Clients/CPP/WebLetters/Template.html"



  --------------------------------------------------------------------------
--
  ----

    Private Sub CmdOpenFP_Click()

    Dim oFPweb As FrontPage.Web
    Dim oFP As FrontPage.Application
    Dim FrontPageRunning As Boolean

    'Determine whether FrontPage is alredy open or not
    FrontPageRunning = IsFrontPageRunning()

    If Not FrontPageRunning Then
        MsgBox ("Frontpage is Closed")
        Set oFP = CreateObject("Frontpage.Application")
    Else
        MsgBox ("Frontpage is already open")
        Set oFP = GetObject(, "Frontpage.Application")
    End If

    'add code here later to make a copy of my file

    'open file in front page------------------------------------------------
    oFP.Webs.Open ("E:\Sds\Clients\CPP\Webletters\template.html")
  'STUCK HERE

     ' Show FrontPage
     oFPweb.Activate
     'Set oFP = Nothing

    End Sub


  --------------------------------------------------------------------------
--
  ----

    TIA


    Kath Pelletti
    Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd.
    Ph: 9505-6714
    Fax: 9505-6430
    KP at SDSOnline.net
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From fhtapia at gmail.com  Tue Sep 14 22:41:42 2004
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 20:41:42 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Firefox Shameless plug...
Message-ID: <b874372a040914204147c11f51@mail.gmail.com>

Version 1.0 is out (PR preview release) to say the least it is
awesome... if you subscribe to RSS feeds for anything, you'll probably
take to what they are calling LIVE bookmarks... they ARE sweet.
-- 
-Francisco


From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Tue Sep 14 23:44:23 2004
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 21:44:23 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Problem with code to change field data type in vba
References: <BAY22-F34y9vGz1JeKi00076e93@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <4147C8A7.90202@shaw.ca>

You are missing  a statement Set tbl = dbs.TableDefs("Table1")   however 
this method wont work.

For Access 97 with DAO
 '*****************************************************************
      ' The AlterFieldType Sub procedure requires three string
      ' parameters. The first string specifies the name of the table
      ' containing the field to be changed. The second string specifies
      ' the name of the field to be changed. The third string specifies
      ' the new data type for the field.
      '*****************************************************************

      Sub AlterFieldType (TblName As String, FieldName As String, _
         NewDataType As String)
         Dim db As Database
         Dim qdf As QueryDef
         Set db = CurrentDb()

         ' Create a dummy QueryDef object.
         Set qdf = db.CreateQueryDef("", "Select * from PROD1")

         ' Add a temporary field to the table.
         qdf.SQL = "ALTER TABLE [" & TblName & "] ADD COLUMN_
            AlterTempField " & NewDataType
         qdf.Execute

         ' Copy the data from old field into the new field.
         qdf.SQL = "UPDATE DISTINCTROW [" & TblName & "] SET_
            AlterTempField = [" & FieldName & "]"
         qdf.Execute

         ' Delete the old field.
         qdf.SQL = "ALTER TABLE [" & TblName & "] DROP COLUMN ["_
            & FieldName & "]"
         qdf.Execute

         ' Rename the temporary field to the old field's name.
         db.tabledefs("[" & TblName & "]").Fields("AlterTempField")._
            Name = FieldName
         ' Clean up.
      End Sub
       
For ADO with 2000 , you could also do this with ADO and 97 by setting an 
ADO reference
 and by setting the connection string directly like so

Set cnn = New ADODB.Connection
cnn.Open "Provider=Microsoft.Jet.OLEDB.4.0;" & _
           "Data Source=c:\somepath\myDb.mdb;" & _
           "User Id=admin;" & _
           "Password="

Sub sChangeDataType()
    Dim cnn As ADODB.Connection
    Dim strSQL As String
    Set cnn = CurrentProject.Connection
 ' however this sql string  might work in Access 97 if using Jet 4.0 
rather than 3.51
'by selecting a reference to DAO 3.6 rather than DAO 3.51
    strSQL = "ALTER TABLE [Employees] ALTER COLUMN Extension int"
    cnn.Execute strSQL
end sub
 
See also
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;210304
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;128016

Paul Black wrote:

> Hi
>
> I using Access 97 and can not get the following to work:
>
> Private Sub Command0_Click()
> Dim fld As Field
> Dim dbs As Database
> Dim tbl As TableDef
>
> Set dbs = CurrentDb()
> For Each fld In tbl.Fields
>    If Left$(tbl.Name, 2) = "t_" And fld <> "t_proj" And fld <> "t_pt" 
> And fld <> "t_plink" And fld <> "ptlink" And fld <> "t_species" Then
>        fld.Type = dbInteger
>    End If
> Next fld
>
> Beep
> MsgBox "Done"
> End Sub
>
> It is supposed to change the field data type to integer from text. All 
> field names to change begin with 't_       
> 'excludingcertainfieldslistedabove.I
> keep getting an error:
>
> Runtime error '91'
> Object Variable or With Block variable not set
>
> Other than the excluded fields above all the data conatined in the 
> fields is numeric or has a Null value... but it is in a text field. 
> The data is coming to me off of a Pocket PC and it won't let me change 
> the field type to numeric.
>
> Please help me solve this.
>
> Thanks
>
> PB
>
> _________________________________________________________________
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From KP at sdsonline.net  Wed Sep 15 00:03:53 2004
From: KP at sdsonline.net (Kath Pelletti)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 15:03:53 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Urgent help please - Can't open html
	pageinFrontpagefromAccess form
References: <FJEJLIPOMCGJALMGLLLIEEMECGAA.accessd@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <001701c49ae1$661c0d10$6501a8c0@user>

Hi Jim - thanks for your comment - these particular users really don't understand (or accept) that the doc. will look different once displayed in the browser, eg. if they have created it in Word and then it is converted by Microsoft to html....and I understand where they are coming from.

They have accepted that to create it as a web page they need to do so in Frontpage and then they can see how it will look once it goes live. My problem (and I can't believe that I'm still stuck on this) is providing a link for all staff in the office to be able to open the documents they create, edit them and save them. 

It is essential that it happen from the database because I am storing a history of documents (just path/s and filename/s) they create and they have complex selection criteria for nominating which clients eventually *see* the doc on the website. Given that it is so easy to create / and link to a doc in Word or Excel from an Access form I thought it would be pretty straightforward to do something like this in Frontpage. I'm still sure that it is.....just not there yet.

Kath
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Jim Lawrence (AccessD) 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
  Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 1:03 PM
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] Urgent help please - Can't open html pageinFrontpagefromAccess form


  Hi Kath:

  If the file is in html format and saved with the html extension. I.e.
  test.html, then any station with an active browser will display it. Even if
  the file is originally a document file it can be saved as an html file and
  Microsoft will do the conversion for you...sometime it is not very pretty
  but it is simple. All that has to be done for each station to view/run it is
  that the html 'document' has to be stored in a common shared directory.

  HTH
  Jim

  -----Original Message-----
  From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
  [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti
  Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 4:12 PM
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Urgent help please - Can't open html
  pageinFrontpagefrom Access form


  I don't have VB Drew.......

  Kath
    ----- Original Message -----
    From: DWUTKA at marlow.com
    To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
    Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 12:01 AM
    Subject: RE: [AccessD] Urgent help please - Can't open html page
  inFrontpagefrom Access form


    If you have VB, you can just 'preview' it for them in a simple VB browser.

    Drew

    -----Original Message-----
    From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
    [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti
    Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 6:47 AM
    To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
    Subject: Re: [AccessD] Urgent help please - Can't open html page
    inFrontpagefrom Access form


    Thanks Eric - I am finding this so confusing.

    Yes - I have IIS running here - so my file must be in a folder from
    C:\Inetpub\wwwroot?  I need to allow the database users to share a common
    file - can it find a web in a network location?

    To go back to the basic requirements - what I am trying to do is allow
  users
    to click on a button in the databse which will open a document which will
  be
    published to the web. I want them to be able to create and edit that
    document by following a link from an access form, because the letter that
    the users 'create' will be linked to recipients from my database.

    They could theoretically do it in Word or Notepad (or even within Access),
    but I want them to see how it will preview on the web before they finalise
    it, so formatting is done. I don't want to have to worry about whether
  they
    are running IIS or create web folders or whatever - just open and edit a
    simple html file in Frontpage so they can see how it would publish. Am I
    going about this the wrong way?

    TIA!
    Kath

      ----- Original Message -----
      From: Eric Barro
      To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
      Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 11:31 AM
      Subject: RE: [AccessD] Urgent help please - Can't open html page
    inFrontpagefrom Access form


      Kath,

      FP webs expect to open these web folders in reference to the web root
    folder in IIS.

      For example:

      You have IIS (web server) running on the machine and you have a web
  called
    MYWEB. IIS sees this as http://localhost/MYWEB. The physical location
    (assuming the web root is C:\INETPUB\WWWROOT) is
  C:\INETPUB\WWWROOT\MYWEB\.
    So...if MYWEB is in a different folder...say
    C:\INETPUB\WWWROOT\ANOTHERFOLDER\MYWEB\  FP won't be able to recognize
  that
    as a web location.

      ---
      Eric Barro
      Senior Systems Analyst
      Advanced Field Services
      (208) 772-7060
      http://www.afsweb.com

      -----Original Message-----
      From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
      [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti
      Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 6:13 PM
      To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
      Subject: [AccessD] Urgent help please - Can't open html page in
      Frontpagefrom Access form


      I have wasted ages on this so am now begging assistance........

      I have an html file (empty at present - later it will have some basic
    text)

      I need to my code to
      - Make a copy of the template.html file (I can do that) and
      - give it a new name, eg. Template_BHP_140904.html (I can do that)
      - Open the html file just created in Frontpage for users to modify the
    document (That's where I'm stuck....)

      My problem is a total lack of knowledge of files vs. webs and therefore
    the syntax I need. Questions: -

      - Do I have to have a 'web' or 'web folder' - can't I just have an html
    file and open it?

      - If I can, what is the alternative syntax to .webs.open - eg. I am
    looking for a .pages.open property or .files.open ?

      Here's my code so far - when I run it I get an error  - There is no web
    named "/E:/SDS/Clients/CPP/WebLetters/Template.html"



    --------------------------------------------------------------------------
  --
    ----

      Private Sub CmdOpenFP_Click()

      Dim oFPweb As FrontPage.Web
      Dim oFP As FrontPage.Application
      Dim FrontPageRunning As Boolean

      'Determine whether FrontPage is alredy open or not
      FrontPageRunning = IsFrontPageRunning()

      If Not FrontPageRunning Then
          MsgBox ("Frontpage is Closed")
          Set oFP = CreateObject("Frontpage.Application")
      Else
          MsgBox ("Frontpage is already open")
          Set oFP = GetObject(, "Frontpage.Application")
      End If

      'add code here later to make a copy of my file

      'open file in front page------------------------------------------------
      oFP.Webs.Open ("E:\Sds\Clients\CPP\Webletters\template.html")
    'STUCK HERE

       ' Show FrontPage
       oFPweb.Activate
       'Set oFP = Nothing

      End Sub


    --------------------------------------------------------------------------
  --
    ----

      TIA


      Kath Pelletti
      Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd.
      Ph: 9505-6714
      Fax: 9505-6430
      KP at SDSOnline.net
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Wed Sep 15 02:05:37 2004
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 17:05:37 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Urgent help please - Can't open
	html	pageinFrontpagefromAccess form
In-Reply-To: <001701c49ae1$661c0d10$6501a8c0@user>
Message-ID: <41487661.9605.155D4C@lexacorp.com.pg>

On 15 Sep 2004 at 15:03, Kath Pelletti wrote:

> It is essential that it happen from the database because I am storing a
> history of documents (just path/s and filename/s) they create and they
> have complex selection criteria for nominating which clients eventually
> *see* the doc on the website. Given that it is so easy to create / and
> link to a doc in Word or Excel from an Access form I thought it would be
> pretty straightforward to do something like this in Frontpage. I'm still
> sure that it is.....just not there yet. 
> 

Since Frontpage is not the default application for .htm pages, the simplest 
way is to use SHELL(). Something like

Function OpenWithFrontPage(HTMLFile As String) As Long
Dim strCmd As String
Dim strFrontPagePath As String
strFrontPagePath = "C:\Program files\Frontpage\Frontpage.exe"

strCmd = Chr$(34) & strFrontPagePath & Chr$(34) & " " & Chr$(34) & HTMLFile & Chr$(34)
Shell strCmd, vbNormalFocus

End Function
-- 
Stuart




From d.dick at uws.edu.au  Wed Sep 15 06:06:06 2004
From: d.dick at uws.edu.au (Darren DICK)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 21:06:06 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Time diff calcs
In-Reply-To: <027201c49a91$be215f10$6501a8c0@rock>
Message-ID: <001a01c49b14$00de33f0$4a619a89@DDICK>

Hi Arthur
Many thanks for the tip and I agree. Store the seconds format when needed.
In the relevant table should the data type be Integer?

Have a great day

Darren



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Wednesday, 15 September 2004 5:34 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K: Time diff calcs


IMHO you should always store time differences in seconds rather than any
higher denomination, then leave the formatting of same to the front end.
That way, IMO, your back-end data is always correct (and easily calculated),
and you can postpone the formatting until the front end is right, confident
that your data in the back-end is correct.

Just my $.02.

Arthur

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darren DICK
Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 8:25 AM
To: AccessD List
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Time diff calcs


Hello all
I want to calculate then insert into a table the duration of a users logon
in HOURS and MINUTES In the logon table the default value for the logon
field is Now() and is captured at...You guessed at logon. I then run a query
that updates the Logoff field to Now() once the user answers YES to loggin
off. The theory being there will be a difference even if it is only 5 or 10
seconds. Unless some clown plays with the clock after loggin on --- but
forget all that :-))

Both logon and logoff fields data types in the Logon Table are General Date
(01/01/2004 15:45:25PM)

So a user logs on at say...14/09/2004 10:08:45 PM and then logs off at
say...14/09/2004 10:10:55 PM

The time logged on = 2 mins and 10 secs but how do I calculate that?

I have udsed DateDiff but with no success...
DateDiff("Short Time",[LogonTimeAndDate],Now())
DateDiff("mm",[LogonTimeAndDate],Now())
DateDiff("nn",[LogonTimeAndDate],Now()) etc etc

Many thanks in advance

Darren


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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Wed Sep 15 07:12:32 2004
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 22:12:32 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Time diff calcs
In-Reply-To: <001a01c49b14$00de33f0$4a619a89@DDICK>
References: <027201c49a91$be215f10$6501a8c0@rock>
Message-ID: <4148BE50.9564.12E5B13@lexacorp.com.pg>

On 15 Sep 2004 at 21:06, Darren DICK wrote:

> Hi Arthur
> Many thanks for the tip and I agree. Store the seconds format when needed.
> In the relevant table should the data type be Integer?
> 

if you need more than 32767 seconds (a bit over 9 hours) you will need to 
use a long.
If you  don't need that much, it is debatable.  Integers take half the 
storage of longs, but take a bit longer to process if you are manipulating 
them. Depends on whether you want to save on storage or optimise processing 
time. 

However don't save them as singles or doubles.


-- 
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Sep 15 07:29:37 2004
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 14:29:37 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Time diff calcs
In-Reply-To: <4148BE50.9564.12E5B13@lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <027201c49a91$be215f10$6501a8c0@rock>
	<4148BE50.9564.12E5B13@lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <14521344621.20040915142937@cactus.dk>

Hi Darren and Stuart

Except for very excessive processing, processing time will be
negligible compared to the time for reading and, indeed, writing the
data.
However, should heavy processing be needed, process the values in Long
variables even if they are stored as Integer.

For short intervals, four minutes or less, the seconds could even be
stored as Byte.

/gustav


> On 15 Sep 2004 at 21:06, Darren DICK wrote:

>> Hi Arthur
>> Many thanks for the tip and I agree. Store the seconds format when needed.
>> In the relevant table should the data type be Integer?

> if you need more than 32767 seconds (a bit over 9 hours) you will need to 
> use a long.
> If you  don't need that much, it is debatable.  Integers take half the 
> storage of longs, but take a bit longer to process if you are manipulating 
> them. Depends on whether you want to save on storage or optimise processing 
> time. 

> However don't save them as singles or doubles.

> -- 
> Stuart



From carlo at xsit.nl  Wed Sep 15 07:59:10 2004
From: carlo at xsit.nl (Carlo van der Zon (Access IT Training))
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 14:59:10 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] ADP
Message-ID: <844F188BB505654DBCF15C4B24106C1008DC7B@headcon.headit.nl>

Hi Group,

Does anybody know how to choose de SQL database in a ADP Runtime?

Thanks
Carlo



From subs1847 at solution-providers.ie  Wed Sep 15 08:22:04 2004
From: subs1847 at solution-providers.ie (Mark L. Breen)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 14:22:04 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Gmail Invite (D)
References: <003901c494ba$474923a0$de1118ac@D8TZHN0J><413E0DDB.26661.10EF57B7@lexacorp.com.pg>
	<b874372a040907060249eb1dbc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <006b01c49b29$f803a790$0101a8c0@D8TZHN0J>

Thanks Stuart and Francisco,

Of course, having asked the question, it seems now that the whole world is
talking about gmail,

sorry about that,

Mark


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Francisco Tapia" <fhtapia at gmail.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 2:02 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Gmail Invite (D)


> Thanks,
>   Gmail takes a new approach to email.  Not only do you get 1gb of
> storage, but you get much more, organization is easier and following
> threads in any mailing list is a breeze!  I really do dig it, so much
> that I've moved many of my current mailing subscriptions to it.
>
>
> On Tue, 07 Sep 2004 19:36:59 +1000, Stuart McLachlan
> <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg> wrote:
> > On 7 Sep 2004 at 10:08, Mark L. Breen wrote:
> >
> > > Hello Francisco,
> > >
> > > I have to ask, what is gmail?  Sorry if this is obvious
> > >
> >
> > See
> > https://gmail.google.com/?dest=http%3A%2F%2Fgmail.google.com%2Fgmail
> >
> > Then read
> >
> > http://gmail-is-too-creepy.com/
> >
> > --
> > Stuart
> >
> >
> >
> >
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>
>
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From fhtapia at gmail.com  Wed Sep 15 10:28:12 2004
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (fhtapia at gmail.com)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 08:28:12 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Objects....
Message-ID: <b874372a04091508282c258b05@mail.gmail.com>

So I have a label class that has a function to turn the mouse icon to
a hand so users know it's a clickable item. I'd like to duplicate a
MouseOver event, so for that I'm going to place a hidden box under the
labels so when the mouse wanders off, I can change the color off
again...

I'd like to wrap the box into a class, but I'm having difficulty
envisioning how I'd call all the label class objects to change back to
the default color.


help tips and hints appreciated... doc, url links are appreciated even more :D 

btw, new version of firefox is out for those that don't know... this
is version 1.0 very very nice :)
-- 
-Francisco
"Rediscover the web"
http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/
ttp://spreadfirefox.com/community/?q=affiliates&amp;id=792&amp;t=86


From fhtapia at gmail.com  Wed Sep 15 10:30:07 2004
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (fhtapia at gmail.com)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 08:30:07 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] ADP
In-Reply-To: <844F188BB505654DBCF15C4B24106C1008DC7B@headcon.headit.nl>
References: <844F188BB505654DBCF15C4B24106C1008DC7B@headcon.headit.nl>
Message-ID: <b874372a0409150830706a90f0@mail.gmail.com>

File |Connection, then select the full connection settings


On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 14:59:10 +0200, Carlo van der Zon (Access IT
Training) <carlo at xsit.nl> wrote:
> Hi Group,
> 
> Does anybody know how to choose de SQL database in a ADP Runtime?
> 
> Thanks
> Carlo
> 
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Sep 15 10:39:53 2004
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 17:39:53 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Objects....
In-Reply-To: <b874372a04091508282c258b05@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b874372a04091508282c258b05@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3632760777.20040915173953@cactus.dk>

Hi fhtapia alias Francisco

Not quite sure what you are trying to accomplish ...
Nevertheless, sounds like a perfect job for WithEvents!

I believe JC has a white paper on our own web site.

/gustav


> So I have a label class that has a function to turn the mouse icon to
> a hand so users know it's a clickable item. I'd like to duplicate a
> MouseOver event, so for that I'm going to place a hidden box under the
> labels so when the mouse wanders off, I can change the color off
> again...

> I'd like to wrap the box into a class, but I'm having difficulty
> envisioning how I'd call all the label class objects to change back to
> the default color.


> help tips and hints appreciated... doc, url links are appreciated even more :D 



From lytlenj at yahoo.com  Wed Sep 15 11:02:31 2004
From: lytlenj at yahoo.com (Nancy Lytle)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 09:02:31 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Unbound subform
Message-ID: <20040915160231.80676.qmail@web53906.mail.yahoo.com>

I have a form that contains a subform.  I would like
this subform to be unbound and not visible until a
button is clicked on the main form. I cannot get the
subform bound properly.  I get the "The expression you
entered refers to an object that is closed or doesn't
exist" error.
I had it at one time and lost it.
Any ideas?
TIA
Nancy


The name of the subform control is sbffrmReceiving
The name of the subform is frmReceiving
I put the name of the subform control it the control's
tag property.

This is the code I am using:
Private sub cmdOpenRec_Click():

Me.sbffrmReceiving.Visible = True
Me.sbffrmReceiving.SetFocus

If Len(Me.sbffrmReceiving.Form.SourceObject) = 0 Then

Me.sbffrmReceiving.Form.SourceObject =
Me.sbffrmReceiving.Form.Tag
               
Me.sbffrmReceiving.Form.LinkChildFields =
Forms!Me.sbffrmReceiving.Form.LinkChildFields
               
Me.sbffrmReceiving.Form.LinkMasterFields =
Me.sbffrmReceiving.Form.LinkMasterFields
 End If




From cyx5 at cdc.gov  Wed Sep 15 11:24:34 2004
From: cyx5 at cdc.gov (Nicholson, Karen)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 12:24:34 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Unbound subform
Message-ID: <A5B5AA20555F594BA7B6BD2048E49E438406C8@m-niosh-5.niosh.cdc.gov>

When the main form opens, set the subform.visible=false
When the button is clicked on the main form, then fire the
subform.visible=true

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Nancy Lytle
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 12:03 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Unbound subform


I have a form that contains a subform.  I would like
this subform to be unbound and not visible until a
button is clicked on the main form. I cannot get the
subform bound properly.  I get the "The expression you
entered refers to an object that is closed or doesn't
exist" error.
I had it at one time and lost it.
Any ideas?
TIA
Nancy


The name of the subform control is sbffrmReceiving
The name of the subform is frmReceiving
I put the name of the subform control it the control's
tag property.

This is the code I am using:
Private sub cmdOpenRec_Click():

Me.sbffrmReceiving.Visible = True
Me.sbffrmReceiving.SetFocus

If Len(Me.sbffrmReceiving.Form.SourceObject) = 0 Then

Me.sbffrmReceiving.Form.SourceObject =
Me.sbffrmReceiving.Form.Tag
               
Me.sbffrmReceiving.Form.LinkChildFields =
Forms!Me.sbffrmReceiving.Form.LinkChildFields
               
Me.sbffrmReceiving.Form.LinkMasterFields =
Me.sbffrmReceiving.Form.LinkMasterFields
 End If


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From fhtapia at gmail.com  Wed Sep 15 12:05:19 2004
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 10:05:19 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Objects....
In-Reply-To: <3632760777.20040915173953@cactus.dk>
References: <b874372a04091508282c258b05@mail.gmail.com>
	<3632760777.20040915173953@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <b874372a04091510055d140c91@mail.gmail.com>

thanks for the reminder.. btw, I've fixed the outgoing name :D

On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 17:39:53 +0200, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
> Hi fhtapia alias Francisco
> 
> Not quite sure what you are trying to accomplish ...
> Nevertheless, sounds like a perfect job for WithEvents!
> 
> I believe JC has a white paper on our own web site.
> 
> /gustav
> 
> 
> > So I have a label class that has a function to turn the mouse icon to
> > a hand so users know it's a clickable item. I'd like to duplicate a
> > MouseOver event, so for that I'm going to place a hidden box under the
> > labels so when the mouse wanders off, I can change the color off
> > again...
> 
> > I'd like to wrap the box into a class, but I'm having difficulty
> > envisioning how I'd call all the label class objects to change back to
> > the default color.
> 
> > help tips and hints appreciated... doc, url links are appreciated even more :D
> 
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From KIsmert at TexasSystems.com  Wed Sep 15 12:36:49 2004
From: KIsmert at TexasSystems.com (Ken Ismert)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 12:36:49 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Objects....
In-Reply-To: <b874372a04091508282c258b05@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <00e801c49b4a$956b5120$2a3ca8c0@TEXASSYSTEMS.COM>


Francisco,

General approach:

In an Access form, I have found no simple way to determine when the mouse
has moved off of a control. The idea then, is to trap MouseMove events for
all controls and sections. When a control that you don't want to animate
receives a MouseMove, it must tell all controls that you are animating to
turn off their backcolor.

A few quick thoughts:

 * No need for the hidden box - just use the label's own BackColor property

 * You will need perhaps three objects:
   1. MouseOn object - sinks MouseMove event for Labels, TextBoxes, etc. Has
two functions. First, when it receives a MouseMove event, it changes the
control's BackColor 'on' if it is 'off', and notifies the MouseManager to
turn 'off' all other controls. Second, turns 'off' its backcolor when
requested by MouseManager.
   2. MouseOff object - sinks MouseMove events for Sections, Labels,
TextBoxes, etc. Includes all controls on the form that you don't want to
animate. Has one function: when it receives a MouseMove event, it notifies
the MouseManager to turn 'off' all other controls
   3. MouseManager object - maintains two collections: a MouseOn object
collection, and a MouseOff object collection. Has methods for adding a
MouseOn and a MouseOff object to each collection. Has a method which loops
through all MouseOn objects, telling them to turn their backcolors off,
except for the active one, if any. It also has a Destruct method which sets
both collections to nothing.

 * When loading, the form then must create the MouseManager object, and tell
it to add all controls to either the MouseOn or MouseOff collections. When
unloading, the form must destroy the MouseManager object.

Finally, you may end up disappointed with the quality of the animation you
get after all this effort. It is possible to move the mouse fast enough that
none of the controls get a MouseMove event, leaving one of the controls
highlighted, even though your cursor is off the form.

-Ken

-----Original Message-----
From: fhtapia at gmail.com [mailto:fhtapia at gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 10:28 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Objects....


So I have a label class that has a function to turn the mouse icon to
a hand so users know it's a clickable item. I'd like to duplicate a
MouseOver event, so for that I'm going to place a hidden box under the
labels so when the mouse wanders off, I can change the color off
again...

I'd like to wrap the box into a class, but I'm having difficulty
envisioning how I'd call all the label class objects to change back to
the default color.


help tips and hints appreciated... doc, url links are appreciated even more
:D

btw, new version of firefox is out for those that don't know... this
is version 1.0 very very nice :)
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"Rediscover the web"
http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/
ttp://spreadfirefox.com/community/?q=affiliates&amp;id=792&amp;t=86




From fhtapia at gmail.com  Wed Sep 15 12:52:20 2004
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 10:52:20 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Objects....
In-Reply-To: <00e801c49b4a$956b5120$2a3ca8c0@TEXASSYSTEMS.COM>
References: <b874372a04091508282c258b05@mail.gmail.com>
	<00e801c49b4a$956b5120$2a3ca8c0@TEXASSYSTEMS.COM>
Message-ID: <b874372a0409151052620d1c1f@mail.gmail.com>

thanks for the tips Ken, I will test out a couple of these ideas


On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 12:36:49 -0500, Ken Ismert <kismert at texassystems.com> wrote:
> 
> Francisco,
> 
> General approach:
> 
> In an Access form, I have found no simple way to determine when the mouse
> has moved off of a control. The idea then, is to trap MouseMove events for
> all controls and sections. When a control that you don't want to animate
> receives a MouseMove, it must tell all controls that you are animating to
> turn off their backcolor.
> 
> A few quick thoughts:
> 
>  * No need for the hidden box - just use the label's own BackColor property
> 
>  * You will need perhaps three objects:
>    1. MouseOn object - sinks MouseMove event for Labels, TextBoxes, etc. Has
> two functions. First, when it receives a MouseMove event, it changes the
> control's BackColor 'on' if it is 'off', and notifies the MouseManager to
> turn 'off' all other controls. Second, turns 'off' its backcolor when
> requested by MouseManager.
>    2. MouseOff object - sinks MouseMove events for Sections, Labels,
> TextBoxes, etc. Includes all controls on the form that you don't want to
> animate. Has one function: when it receives a MouseMove event, it notifies
> the MouseManager to turn 'off' all other controls
>    3. MouseManager object - maintains two collections: a MouseOn object
> collection, and a MouseOff object collection. Has methods for adding a
> MouseOn and a MouseOff object to each collection. Has a method which loops
> through all MouseOn objects, telling them to turn their backcolors off,
> except for the active one, if any. It also has a Destruct method which sets
> both collections to nothing.
> 
>  * When loading, the form then must create the MouseManager object, and tell
> it to add all controls to either the MouseOn or MouseOff collections. When
> unloading, the form must destroy the MouseManager object.
> 
> Finally, you may end up disappointed with the quality of the animation you
> get after all this effort. It is possible to move the mouse fast enough that
> none of the controls get a MouseMove event, leaving one of the controls
> highlighted, even though your cursor is off the form.
> 
> -Ken
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fhtapia at gmail.com [mailto:fhtapia at gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 10:28 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Objects....
> 
> So I have a label class that has a function to turn the mouse icon to
> a hand so users know it's a clickable item. I'd like to duplicate a
> MouseOver event, so for that I'm going to place a hidden box under the
> labels so when the mouse wanders off, I can change the color off
> again...
> 
> I'd like to wrap the box into a class, but I'm having difficulty
> envisioning how I'd call all the label class objects to change back to
> the default color.
> 
> help tips and hints appreciated... doc, url links are appreciated even more
> :D
> 
> btw, new version of firefox is out for those that don't know... this
> is version 1.0 very very nice :)
> --
> -Francisco
> "Rediscover the web"
> http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/
> ttp://spreadfirefox.com/community/?q=affiliates&amp;id=792&amp;t=86
> 
> 
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From fhtapia at gmail.com  Wed Sep 15 12:55:35 2004
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 10:55:35 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Unbound subform
In-Reply-To: <A5B5AA20555F594BA7B6BD2048E49E438406C8@m-niosh-5.niosh.cdc.gov>
References: <A5B5AA20555F594BA7B6BD2048E49E438406C8@m-niosh-5.niosh.cdc.gov>
Message-ID: <b874372a040915105520cf4f6@mail.gmail.com>

you can also set the sourceobject = "" and when the control is
clicked, you can set the sourceobject = "frm_yoursubformName"




On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 12:24:34 -0400, Nicholson, Karen <cyx5 at cdc.gov> wrote:
> When the main form opens, set the subform.visible=false
> When the button is clicked on the main form, then fire the
> subform.visible=true
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Nancy Lytle
> Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 12:03 PM
> To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Unbound subform
> 
> I have a form that contains a subform.  I would like
> this subform to be unbound and not visible until a
> button is clicked on the main form. I cannot get the
> subform bound properly.  I get the "The expression you
> entered refers to an object that is closed or doesn't
> exist" error.
> I had it at one time and lost it.
> Any ideas?
> TIA
> Nancy
> 
> The name of the subform control is sbffrmReceiving
> The name of the subform is frmReceiving
> I put the name of the subform control it the control's
> tag property.
> 
> This is the code I am using:
> Private sub cmdOpenRec_Click():
> 
> Me.sbffrmReceiving.Visible = True
> Me.sbffrmReceiving.SetFocus
> 
> If Len(Me.sbffrmReceiving.Form.SourceObject) = 0 Then
> 
> Me.sbffrmReceiving.Form.SourceObject =
> Me.sbffrmReceiving.Form.Tag
> 
> Me.sbffrmReceiving.Form.LinkChildFields =
> Forms!Me.sbffrmReceiving.Form.LinkChildFields
> 
> Me.sbffrmReceiving.Form.LinkMasterFields =
> Me.sbffrmReceiving.Form.LinkMasterFields
>  End If
> 
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From serbach at new.rr.com  Wed Sep 15 14:08:48 2004
From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 14:08:48 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Gmail Invite (D)
In-Reply-To: <b874372a040907060249eb1dbc@mail.gmail.com>
References: <003901c494ba$474923a0$de1118ac@D8TZHN0J>
	<413E0DDB.26661.10EF57B7@lexacorp.com.pg>
	<b874372a040907060249eb1dbc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20040915140848.2051417651.serbach@new.rr.com>

Francisco,

I see that Gmail is in beta. There, apparently, is no sign-up at the moment, so your "invite" was the only way to sign up as of now. Interesting. Might be a good address for giving out on web pages and such rather than my bona fide address.

I purchased Bloomba back in October. It's forte is searching, too. I've been pretty happy with it except for the fact that I can't figure out how to request a Read Receipt. It's full text indexing is very fast.

Steve Erbach
Neenah, WI




From fhtapia at gmail.com  Wed Sep 15 15:13:56 2004
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 13:13:56 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Gmail Invite (D)
In-Reply-To: <20040915140848.2051417651.serbach@new.rr.com>
References: <003901c494ba$474923a0$de1118ac@D8TZHN0J>
	<413E0DDB.26661.10EF57B7@lexacorp.com.pg>
	<b874372a040907060249eb1dbc@mail.gmail.com>
	<20040915140848.2051417651.serbach@new.rr.com>
Message-ID: <b874372a0409151313796b0e13@mail.gmail.com>

I've never used Bloomba.  I find myself liking Gmail a little more
everyday, now especially more because I'm getting used to the keyboard
shortcuts :), and on managing filters... I do have one that is my
IGNORE thread filter.. you just choose your topic in the subject line
such as

("Gmail Invite (D)" OR "Bound vs Unbound") and then select it to
auto-trash these messages, and viola, you'll never see those messages
hit your inbox again... so far it's worked flawlessly... :)

btw,... for those who are using IE, the new JPEG exploit is a real
baddy as it can be used to grab uids and pwds from your IE cache and
transmit them to the world :(


On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 14:08:48 -0500, Steven W. Erbach <serbach at new.rr.com> wrote:
> Francisco,
> 
> I see that Gmail is in beta. There, apparently, is no sign-up at the moment, so your "invite" was the only way to sign up as of now. Interesting. Might be a good address for giving out on web pages and such rather than my bona fide address.
> 
> I purchased Bloomba back in October. It's forte is searching, too. I've been pretty happy with it except for the fact that I can't figure out how to request a Read Receipt. It's full text indexing is very fast.
> 
> Steve Erbach
> Neenah, WI
> 
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ttp://spreadfirefox.com/community/?q=affiliates&amp;id=792&amp;t=86


From serbach at new.rr.com  Wed Sep 15 16:07:01 2004
From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 16:07:01 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Firefox Shameless plug...
In-Reply-To: <b874372a040914204147c11f51@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b874372a040914204147c11f51@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20040915160701.729623265.serbach@new.rr.com>

Francisco,

I've downloaded an earlier release of Firefox and now this one. I've got an HTML file on my C: drive that I use for my home page. I've posted it to:

http://www.swerbach.com/serbach/erbach.htm

Look at it with FireFox and then with Internet Explorer. Firefox, at least on my system, makes the table way too spaced out, to coin a phrase.

Steve Erbach
Neenah, WI




From Jeff at OUTBAKTech.com  Wed Sep 15 16:48:03 2004
From: Jeff at OUTBAKTech.com (Jeff Barrows)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 16:48:03 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Gmail Invite (D)
Message-ID: <8DA8776D2F418E46A2A464AC6CE630509349@outbaksrv1.outbaktech.com>

Are you looking for a GMail invite?

Jeff Barrows
MCP, MCAD, MCSD
 
Outbak Technologies, LLC
Racine, WI
jeff at outbaktech.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Steven W. Erbach [mailto:serbach at new.rr.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 2:09 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Gmail Invite (D)

Francisco,

I see that Gmail is in beta. There, apparently, is no sign-up at the
moment, so your "invite" was the only way to sign up as of now.
Interesting. Might be a good address for giving out on web pages and
such rather than my bona fide address.

I purchased Bloomba back in October. It's forte is searching, too. I've
been pretty happy with it except for the fact that I can't figure out
how to request a Read Receipt. It's full text indexing is very fast.

Steve Erbach
Neenah, WI


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From Developer at UltraDNT.com  Wed Sep 15 17:55:19 2004
From: Developer at UltraDNT.com (Steve Conklin (Developer@UltraDNT))
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 18:55:19 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] External IP Address of Local Machine
In-Reply-To: <20040915160701.729623265.serbach@new.rr.com>
Message-ID: <000401c49b77$13546cd0$0200a8c0@COA3>

I am using WDSI, WinInet and various API's to get 2 Access applications
to send data to each other over FTP.  It is working well, but I want the
server to be secure, that is to only allow logins/files to come from
specific IP's. This is ok when I am sending, because I know my IP, and I
tell the client to allow my IP.  When I (hopefully) sell a copy to the
client's client, how can they easily determine their IP?  
I have looked at the Winsock API and can get remote IP's via Host Name.
However, when I want to get the IP of the local PC, it returns the
192.168.x.x address; how can I get the external IP that the FTP server
needs to know through VB/API?

TIA,
Steve



From KP at sdsonline.net  Wed Sep 15 18:11:15 2004
From: KP at sdsonline.net (Kath Pelletti)
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 09:11:15 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Urgent help please - Can't
	openhtml	pageinFrontpagefromAccess form
References: <41487661.9605.155D4C@lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <007801c49b79$4d395e90$6501a8c0@user>

Thanks Stuart - good to hear from you. I try to avoid the Shell but it looks like the way to go, doesn't it? Thanks for the reminder. I guess the downside is having to hardcode the location of that frontpg.exe file - ......

I might store the 'default' location of the frontpg.exe in a table, but prompt the user with a browse dialog to find it if it's in a different location. Not perfect, but OK??

Kath

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Stuart McLachlan 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problemsolving 
  Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 5:05 PM
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Urgent help please - Can't openhtml pageinFrontpagefromAccess form


  On 15 Sep 2004 at 15:03, Kath Pelletti wrote:

  > It is essential that it happen from the database because I am storing a
  > history of documents (just path/s and filename/s) they create and they
  > have complex selection criteria for nominating which clients eventually
  > *see* the doc on the website. Given that it is so easy to create / and
  > link to a doc in Word or Excel from an Access form I thought it would be
  > pretty straightforward to do something like this in Frontpage. I'm still
  > sure that it is.....just not there yet. 
  > 

  Since Frontpage is not the default application for .htm pages, the simplest 
  way is to use SHELL(). Something like

  Function OpenWithFrontPage(HTMLFile As String) As Long
  Dim strCmd As String
  Dim strFrontPagePath As String
  strFrontPagePath = "C:\Program files\Frontpage\Frontpage.exe"

  strCmd = Chr$(34) & strFrontPagePath & Chr$(34) & " " & Chr$(34) & HTMLFile & Chr$(34)
  Shell strCmd, vbNormalFocus

  End Function
  -- 
  Stuart


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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Wed Sep 15 18:16:02 2004
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 09:16:02 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Firefox Shameless plug...
In-Reply-To: <20040915160701.729623265.serbach@new.rr.com>
References: <b874372a040914204147c11f51@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <414959D2.17317.38DC686@lexacorp.com.pg>

On 15 Sep 2004 at 16:07, Steven W. Erbach wrote:

> Francisco,
> 
> I've downloaded an earlier release of Firefox and now this one. I've got an HTML file on my C: drive that I use for my home page. I've posted it to:
> 
> http://www.swerbach.com/serbach/erbach.htm
> 
> Look at it with FireFox and then with Internet Explorer. Firefox, at least on my system, makes the table way too spaced out, to coin a phrase.
> 

No, IE doesn't space it out enough.  :-)

You have a <p> </p> around the text in every table cell.  That *should* ( 
and does in the case of Firefox) force a lead  before and after the text.   
IE is just ignoring these tags for some reason.

What did you use to build this page?   A MS product by any chance?



-- 
Stuart




From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Wed Sep 15 18:47:48 2004
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 09:47:48 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] External IP Address of Local Machine
In-Reply-To: <000401c49b77$13546cd0$0200a8c0@COA3>
References: <20040915160701.729623265.serbach@new.rr.com>
Message-ID: <41496144.8393.3AADD5D@lexacorp.com.pg>

On 15 Sep 2004 at 18:55, Steve Conklin (Developer at UltraDNT) wrote:

> I am using WDSI, WinInet and various API's to get 2 Access applications
> to send data to each other over FTP.  It is working well, but I want the
> server to be secure, that is to only allow logins/files to come from
> specific IP's. This is ok when I am sending, because I know my IP, and I
> tell the client to allow my IP.  When I (hopefully) sell a copy to the
> client's client, how can they easily determine their IP?  
> I have looked at the Winsock API and can get remote IP's via Host Name.
> However, when I want to get the IP of the local PC, it returns the
> 192.168.x.x address; how can I get the external IP that the FTP server
> needs to know through VB/API?
> 

If you are working through a router, you can't since only the router knows 
the external address..   The only way would be to bounce an HTML request of 
an external website and read the return data. There a numbder of freeware 
tools available on the web that do just that. See 
http://www.snapfiles.com/freeware/network/fwip.html for examples


If you're machine is directly connected to the Internet, you can iterate 
through it's IP adddresses.

Here's a module to do it (watch for linewrap)

Option Compare Database
Option Explicit

Const MAX_IP = 5   'To make a buffer... i dont think you have more than 5 ip on your pc..

Type IPINFO
     dwAddr As Long   ' IP address
    dwIndex As Long '  interface index
    dwMask As Long ' subnet mask
    dwBCastAddr As Long ' broadcast address
    dwReasmSize  As Long ' assembly size
    unused1 As Integer ' not currently used
    unused2 As Integer '; not currently used
End Type

Type MIB_IPADDRTABLE
    dEntrys As Long   'number of entries in the table
    mIPInfo(MAX_IP) As IPINFO  'array of IP address entries
End Type

Type IP_Array
    mBuffer As MIB_IPADDRTABLE
    BufferLen As Long
End Type

Public Declare Sub CopyMemory Lib "kernel32" Alias "RtlMoveMemory" (Destination As Any, Source As Any, ByVal Length As Long)
Public Declare Function GetIpAddrTable Lib "IPHlpApi" (pIPAdrTable As Byte, pdwSize As Long, ByVal Sort As Long) As Long


Public Function ConvertAddressToString(longAddr As Long) As String
    Dim myByte(3) As Byte
    Dim Cnt As Long
    CopyMemory myByte(0), longAddr, 4
    For Cnt = 0 To 3
        ConvertAddressToString = ConvertAddressToString + CStr(myByte(Cnt)) + "."
    Next Cnt
    ConvertAddressToString = Left$(ConvertAddressToString, Len(ConvertAddressToString) - 1)
End Function

Public Function IPAddresses() As Long
Dim lngRetVal As Long
Dim lngLoop As Long
Dim bBytes() As Byte
Dim IPList As MIB_IPADDRTABLE

    GetIpAddrTable ByVal 0&, lngRetVal, True

    If lngRetVal <= 0 Then Exit Function
    ReDim bBytes(0 To lngRetVal - 1) As Byte
    'retrieve the data
    GetIpAddrTable bBytes(0), lngRetVal, False
      
    'Get the first 4 bytes to get the entry's.. ip installed
    CopyMemory IPList.dEntrys, bBytes(0), 4

    For lngLoop = 0 To IPList.dEntrys - 1
        'Copy whole structure to Listing..
        CopyMemory IPList.mIPInfo(lngLoop), bBytes(4 + (lngLoop * Len(IPList.mIPInfo(0)))), Len(IPList.mIPInfo(lngLoop))
         Debug.Print "IP address                   : " & ConvertAddressToString(IPList.mIPInfo(lngLoop).dwAddr)
         Debug.Print "IP Subnetmask            : " & ConvertAddressToString(IPList.mIPInfo(lngLoop).dwMask)
         Debug.Print "BroadCast IP address  : " & ConvertAddressToString(IPList.mIPInfo(lngLoop).dwBCastAddr)
         Debug.Print "**************************************"
    Next

End Function


-- 
Stuart




From serbach at new.rr.com  Wed Sep 15 22:21:15 2004
From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 22:21:15 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Firefox Shameless plug...
In-Reply-To: <414959D2.17317.38DC686@lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <b874372a040914204147c11f51@mail.gmail.com>
	<414959D2.17317.38DC686@lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <20040915222115.113940477.serbach@new.rr.com>

Stuart,

>> What did you use to build this page?   A MS product by any chance? <<

I must confess that I stole the table design from John Dvorak's web site. I haven't changed the table data cell layout for ages. I should review it to bring it into XHTML 1.0 compliance.

Steve Erbach
Neenah, WI




From serbach at new.rr.com  Wed Sep 15 22:22:15 2004
From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 22:22:15 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Gmail Invite (D)
In-Reply-To: <8DA8776D2F418E46A2A464AC6CE630509349@outbaksrv1.outbaktech.com>
References: <8DA8776D2F418E46A2A464AC6CE630509349@outbaksrv1.outbaktech.com>
Message-ID: <20040915222215.1995836797.serbach@new.rr.com>

Jeff,

>> Are you looking for a GMail invite? <<

Well, sure, if ya got one one 'a dem dere tings, eh?

Steve Erbach
Neenah, WI




From Jeff at OUTBAKTech.com  Wed Sep 15 23:25:10 2004
From: Jeff at OUTBAKTech.com (Jeff Barrows)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 23:25:10 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Gmail Invite (D)
Message-ID: <8DA8776D2F418E46A2A464AC6CE63050934A@outbaksrv1.outbaktech.com>

On its way!   Anyone else?

Jeff Barrows
MCP, MCAD, MCSD
 
Outbak Technologies, LLC
Racine, WI
jeff at outbaktech.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Steven W. Erbach [mailto:serbach at new.rr.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 10:22 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Gmail Invite (D)

Jeff,

>> Are you looking for a GMail invite? <<

Well, sure, if ya got one one 'a dem dere tings, eh?

Steve Erbach
Neenah, WI


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From fhtapia at gmail.com  Thu Sep 16 01:02:58 2004
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 23:02:58 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Firefox Shameless plug...
In-Reply-To: <20040915222115.113940477.serbach@new.rr.com>
References: <b874372a040914204147c11f51@mail.gmail.com>
	<414959D2.17317.38DC686@lexacorp.com.pg>
	<20040915222115.113940477.serbach@new.rr.com>
Message-ID: <b874372a04091523027c095615@mail.gmail.com>

<grin> glad I could help out ;o)


On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 22:21:15 -0500, Steven W. Erbach <serbach at new.rr.com> wrote:
> Stuart,
> 
> >> What did you use to build this page?   A MS product by any chance? <<
> 
> I must confess that I stole the table design from John Dvorak's web site. I haven't changed the table data cell layout for ages. I should review it to bring it into XHTML 1.0 compliance.
> 
> Steve Erbach
> Neenah, WI
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From markamatte at hotmail.com  Wed Sep 15 08:19:55 2004
From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 13:19:55 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Time diff calcs
Message-ID: <BAY1-F34YBeHCErAWhJ00000917@hotmail.com>

Maybe I missed something...but if you are already storing a start time...and 
an end time...do you need to store the seconds...can you just calculate the 
min/sec when you need to display or count?

Thanks,

Mark




>From: Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K: Time diff calcs
>Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 14:29:37 +0200
>
>Hi Darren and Stuart
>
>Except for very excessive processing, processing time will be
>negligible compared to the time for reading and, indeed, writing the
>data.
>However, should heavy processing be needed, process the values in Long
>variables even if they are stored as Integer.
>
>For short intervals, four minutes or less, the seconds could even be
>stored as Byte.
>
>/gustav
>
>
> > On 15 Sep 2004 at 21:06, Darren DICK wrote:
>
> >> Hi Arthur
> >> Many thanks for the tip and I agree. Store the seconds format when 
>needed.
> >> In the relevant table should the data type be Integer?
>
> > if you need more than 32767 seconds (a bit over 9 hours) you will need 
>to
> > use a long.
> > If you  don't need that much, it is debatable.  Integers take half the
> > storage of longs, but take a bit longer to process if you are 
>manipulating
> > them. Depends on whether you want to save on storage or optimise 
>processing
> > time.
>
> > However don't save them as singles or doubles.
>
> > --
> > Stuart
>
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From awithing at twcny.rr.com  Thu Sep 16 05:51:10 2004
From: awithing at twcny.rr.com (augusta)
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 06:51:10 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Gmail Invite (D)
In-Reply-To: <8DA8776D2F418E46A2A464AC6CE63050934A@outbaksrv1.outbaktech.com>
Message-ID: <200409161051.i8GApCt3019564@ms-smtp-04.nyroc.rr.com>


>On its way!   Anyone else?

Jeff Barrows
MCP, MCAD, MCSD



Yes if you have got extra!

Thanks
augusta






From Subscriptions at servicexp.com  Thu Sep 16 06:16:31 2004
From: Subscriptions at servicexp.com (Robert Gracie)
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 07:16:31 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Connecting to MySQL across Internet **Anybody???**
In-Reply-To: <GPEGJHKJCEPGJIEIOEOOOEKGEBAA.Subscriptions@servicexp.com>
Message-ID: <GPEGJHKJCEPGJIEIOEOOKELJEBAA.Subscriptions@servicexp.com>

Hello,
 I have a program that may need to connect to a MySQL database across the
internet, on the fly. It's only for a very small portion of the program so
it may or may not be needed to be utilized by many users.

 So basically what is the best (lightest) way to make this connection on the
fly, and only when needed? I think I will be looking at 3-4 tables MAX.


To add,... it's an A2K .mdb

Robert Gracie
www.servicexp.com







From carbonnb at gmail.com  Thu Sep 16 07:15:11 2004
From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 08:15:11 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Test
Message-ID: <e04a6c92040916051514818430@mail.gmail.com>

Please Ignoe. This is just a test

-- 
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preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
shouting "What a great ride!"


From markamatte at hotmail.com  Thu Sep 16 07:55:44 2004
From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte)
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 12:55:44 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Output Larg Text File
Message-ID: <BAY1-F31b9cQy4U7Kx100008cc2@hotmail.com>

Hello All,

In A97 or A2k...I have a large report(>60,000 record and >11,000 Pages)...I 
need to save this as a text/rtf/something...everytime I try...I get an "over 
flow" error...any suggestions?

Thanks,

Mark




From gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Sep 16 08:12:31 2004
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 15:12:31 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Output Larg Text File
In-Reply-To: <BAY1-F31b9cQy4U7Kx100008cc2@hotmail.com>
References: <BAY1-F31b9cQy4U7Kx100008cc2@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <16521239120.20040916151231@cactus.dk>

Hi Mark

If this is a simple report you may wish (need) to write it directly
(no report) from code which is very fast too.

Look up my message from 2004-01-02:

  "Writing raw RTF document using VBA - Solved"

/gustav


> In A97 or A2k...I have a large report(>60,000 record and >11,000 Pages)...I
> need to save this as a text/rtf/something...everytime I try...I get an "over 
> flow" error...any suggestions?



From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Sep 16 08:25:53 2004
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 23:25:53 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Output Larg Text File
In-Reply-To: <BAY1-F31b9cQy4U7Kx100008cc2@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <414A2101.1777.697D330@lexacorp.com.pg>

On 16 Sep 2004 at 12:55, Mark A Matte wrote:

> Hello All,
> 
> In A97 or A2k...I have a large report(>60,000 record and >11,000 Pages)...I 
> need to save this as a text/rtf/something...everytime I try...I get an "over 
> flow" error...any suggestions?
> 

How complex is the report?

In this sort of situation, you are often better opening a text file for 
output, opening the underlying recordset,stepping through the records and 
writing out the rows. Something like:


Dim rs as Recordset
Set rs = CurrentDb.OpenRecordset("myquery")
Open "myFile.txt" for Output as #1
While not rs.eof
   Print #1, rs(0) & "," & rs(1) & "," & rs(2).....
Wend
Close #1

You can do as much formatting as you like for individual rows using various 
string manipulation functions,  and by checking for changes in header 
fields you can throw headers rows as required.

I did the same thing today to replace a "Docmd.OutputTo" to generate a web 
page. Writing the raw HTML directly to a file, gave me much better control 
over the layout of the resulting page and ran about 20 times faster  than 
trying to Output a report to HTML.







-- 
Stuart




From Developer at UltraDNT.com  Thu Sep 16 09:16:46 2004
From: Developer at UltraDNT.com (Steve Conklin (Developer@UltraDNT))
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 10:16:46 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] External IP Address of Local Machine
In-Reply-To: <41496144.8393.3AADD5D@lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <001001c49bf7$cce00f80$0200a8c0@COA3>

Thanks, Stuart.  

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart
McLachlan
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 7:48 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problemsolving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] External IP Address of Local Machine


On 15 Sep 2004 at 18:55, Steve Conklin (Developer at UltraDNT) wrote:

> I am using WDSI, WinInet and various API's to get 2 Access 
> applications to send data to each other over FTP.  It is working well,

> but I want the server to be secure, that is to only allow logins/files

> to come from specific IP's. This is ok when I am sending, because I 
> know my IP, and I tell the client to allow my IP.  When I (hopefully) 
> sell a copy to the client's client, how can they easily determine
their IP?
> I have looked at the Winsock API and can get remote IP's via Host
Name.
> However, when I want to get the IP of the local PC, it returns the
> 192.168.x.x address; how can I get the external IP that the FTP server
> needs to know through VB/API?
> 

If you are working through a router, you can't since only the router
knows 
the external address..   The only way would be to bounce an HTML request
of 
an external website and read the return data. There a numbder of
freeware 
tools available on the web that do just that. See 
http://www.snapfiles.com/freeware/network/fwip.html for examples


If you're machine is directly connected to the Internet, you can iterate

through it's IP adddresses.

Here's a module to do it (watch for linewrap)

Option Compare Database
Option Explicit

Const MAX_IP = 5   'To make a buffer... i dont think you have more than
5 ip on your pc..

Type IPINFO
     dwAddr As Long   ' IP address
    dwIndex As Long '  interface index
    dwMask As Long ' subnet mask
    dwBCastAddr As Long ' broadcast address
    dwReasmSize  As Long ' assembly size
    unused1 As Integer ' not currently used
    unused2 As Integer '; not currently used
End Type

Type MIB_IPADDRTABLE
    dEntrys As Long   'number of entries in the table
    mIPInfo(MAX_IP) As IPINFO  'array of IP address entries
End Type

Type IP_Array
    mBuffer As MIB_IPADDRTABLE
    BufferLen As Long
End Type

Public Declare Sub CopyMemory Lib "kernel32" Alias "RtlMoveMemory"
(Destination As Any, Source As Any, ByVal Length As Long) Public Declare
Function GetIpAddrTable Lib "IPHlpApi" (pIPAdrTable As Byte, pdwSize As
Long, ByVal Sort As Long) As Long


Public Function ConvertAddressToString(longAddr As Long) As String
    Dim myByte(3) As Byte
    Dim Cnt As Long
    CopyMemory myByte(0), longAddr, 4
    For Cnt = 0 To 3
        ConvertAddressToString = ConvertAddressToString +
CStr(myByte(Cnt)) + "."
    Next Cnt
    ConvertAddressToString = Left$(ConvertAddressToString,
Len(ConvertAddressToString) - 1) End Function

Public Function IPAddresses() As Long
Dim lngRetVal As Long
Dim lngLoop As Long
Dim bBytes() As Byte
Dim IPList As MIB_IPADDRTABLE

    GetIpAddrTable ByVal 0&, lngRetVal, True

    If lngRetVal <= 0 Then Exit Function
    ReDim bBytes(0 To lngRetVal - 1) As Byte
    'retrieve the data
    GetIpAddrTable bBytes(0), lngRetVal, False
      
    'Get the first 4 bytes to get the entry's.. ip installed
    CopyMemory IPList.dEntrys, bBytes(0), 4

    For lngLoop = 0 To IPList.dEntrys - 1
        'Copy whole structure to Listing..
        CopyMemory IPList.mIPInfo(lngLoop), bBytes(4 + (lngLoop *
Len(IPList.mIPInfo(0)))), Len(IPList.mIPInfo(lngLoop))
         Debug.Print "IP address                   : " &
ConvertAddressToString(IPList.mIPInfo(lngLoop).dwAddr)
         Debug.Print "IP Subnetmask            : " &
ConvertAddressToString(IPList.mIPInfo(lngLoop).dwMask)
         Debug.Print "BroadCast IP address  : " &
ConvertAddressToString(IPList.mIPInfo(lngLoop).dwBCastAddr)
         Debug.Print "**************************************"
    Next

End Function


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From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com  Thu Sep 16 09:39:00 2004
From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark S. (Newport News))
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 10:39:00 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] .TIFF Image of Report Pages
Message-ID: <BA209D7D3A20BE499AB726E4ED7A6DA1FCB731@nprdex02.nns.com>

Group,

Does anyone have any brilliant ideas on how I could automatically generate a
.tiff image for each page in a report?


Background: Our company stores issued drawings in .tiff format.  In the
past, drawings have been scanned in manually in a reproduction department.
Currently, I issue drawings using Access reports.  It has been suggested
that the .tiff creation MAY fall to the engineering department.


Mark


From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Thu Sep 16 09:48:30 2004
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps - IT Helps)
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 16:48:30 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] External IP Address of Local Machine
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF0ADBD7@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

Shields up is a test a webserver test, but just at the startpage (before
the test) you can see your dns name and ip address

https://www.grc.com/x/ne.dll?bh0bkyd2


 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Conklin
(Developer at UltraDNT)
Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 4:17 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] External IP Address of Local Machine

Thanks, Stuart.  

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart
McLachlan
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 7:48 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problemsolving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] External IP Address of Local Machine


On 15 Sep 2004 at 18:55, Steve Conklin (Developer at UltraDNT) wrote:

> I am using WDSI, WinInet and various API's to get 2 Access 
> applications to send data to each other over FTP.  It is working well,

> but I want the server to be secure, that is to only allow logins/files

> to come from specific IP's. This is ok when I am sending, because I 
> know my IP, and I tell the client to allow my IP.  When I (hopefully) 
> sell a copy to the client's client, how can they easily determine
their IP?
> I have looked at the Winsock API and can get remote IP's via Host
Name.
> However, when I want to get the IP of the local PC, it returns the 
> 192.168.x.x address; how can I get the external IP that the FTP server

> needs to know through VB/API?
> 

If you are working through a router, you can't since only the router
knows 
the external address..   The only way would be to bounce an HTML request
of
an external website and read the return data. There a numbder of
freeware tools available on the web that do just that. See
http://www.snapfiles.com/freeware/network/fwip.html for examples


If you're machine is directly connected to the Internet, you can iterate

through it's IP adddresses.

Here's a module to do it (watch for linewrap)

Option Compare Database
Option Explicit

Const MAX_IP = 5   'To make a buffer... i dont think you have more than
5 ip on your pc..

Type IPINFO
     dwAddr As Long   ' IP address
    dwIndex As Long '  interface index
    dwMask As Long ' subnet mask
    dwBCastAddr As Long ' broadcast address
    dwReasmSize  As Long ' assembly size
    unused1 As Integer ' not currently used
    unused2 As Integer '; not currently used End Type

Type MIB_IPADDRTABLE
    dEntrys As Long   'number of entries in the table
    mIPInfo(MAX_IP) As IPINFO  'array of IP address entries End Type

Type IP_Array
    mBuffer As MIB_IPADDRTABLE
    BufferLen As Long
End Type

Public Declare Sub CopyMemory Lib "kernel32" Alias "RtlMoveMemory"
(Destination As Any, Source As Any, ByVal Length As Long) Public Declare
Function GetIpAddrTable Lib "IPHlpApi" (pIPAdrTable As Byte, pdwSize As
Long, ByVal Sort As Long) As Long


Public Function ConvertAddressToString(longAddr As Long) As String
    Dim myByte(3) As Byte
    Dim Cnt As Long
    CopyMemory myByte(0), longAddr, 4
    For Cnt = 0 To 3
        ConvertAddressToString = ConvertAddressToString +
CStr(myByte(Cnt)) + "."
    Next Cnt
    ConvertAddressToString = Left$(ConvertAddressToString,
Len(ConvertAddressToString) - 1) End Function

Public Function IPAddresses() As Long
Dim lngRetVal As Long
Dim lngLoop As Long
Dim bBytes() As Byte
Dim IPList As MIB_IPADDRTABLE

    GetIpAddrTable ByVal 0&, lngRetVal, True

    If lngRetVal <= 0 Then Exit Function
    ReDim bBytes(0 To lngRetVal - 1) As Byte
    'retrieve the data
    GetIpAddrTable bBytes(0), lngRetVal, False
      
    'Get the first 4 bytes to get the entry's.. ip installed
    CopyMemory IPList.dEntrys, bBytes(0), 4

    For lngLoop = 0 To IPList.dEntrys - 1
        'Copy whole structure to Listing..
        CopyMemory IPList.mIPInfo(lngLoop), bBytes(4 + (lngLoop *
Len(IPList.mIPInfo(0)))), Len(IPList.mIPInfo(lngLoop))
         Debug.Print "IP address                   : " &
ConvertAddressToString(IPList.mIPInfo(lngLoop).dwAddr)
         Debug.Print "IP Subnetmask            : " &
ConvertAddressToString(IPList.mIPInfo(lngLoop).dwMask)
         Debug.Print "BroadCast IP address  : " &
ConvertAddressToString(IPList.mIPInfo(lngLoop).dwBCastAddr)
         Debug.Print "**************************************"
    Next

End Function


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From carlo at xsit.nl  Thu Sep 16 10:12:53 2004
From: carlo at xsit.nl (Carlo van der Zon (Access IT Training))
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 17:12:53 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] ADP
Message-ID: <844F188BB505654DBCF15C4B24106C100F9AEE@headcon.headit.nl>

Ok, but this is not working in runtime.  


-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Namens fhtapia at gmail.com
Verzonden: woensdag 15 september 2004 17:30
Aan: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Onderwerp: Re: [AccessD] ADP

File |Connection, then select the full connection settings


On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 14:59:10 +0200, Carlo van der Zon (Access IT
Training) <carlo at xsit.nl> wrote:
> Hi Group,
> 
> Does anybody know how to choose de SQL database in a ADP Runtime?
> 
> Thanks
> Carlo
> 
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From Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org  Thu Sep 16 10:13:13 2004
From: Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 11:13:13 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] .TIFF Image of Report Pages
Message-ID: <08F823FD83787D4BA0B99CA580AD3C74089BD1@TTNEXCHCL2.hshhp.com>

If you can store the report as a pdf there are conversions available to get you to TIFF (I think Acrobat 6 saves as TIFF).

HTH,

Jim DeMarco

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Mitsules, Mark
S. (Newport News)
Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 10:39 AM
To: [AccessD]
Subject: [AccessD] .TIFF Image of Report Pages


Group,

Does anyone have any brilliant ideas on how I could automatically generate a
.tiff image for each page in a report?


Background: Our company stores issued drawings in .tiff format.  In the
past, drawings have been scanned in manually in a reproduction department.
Currently, I issue drawings using Access reports.  It has been suggested
that the .tiff creation MAY fall to the engineering department.


Mark
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Sep 16 10:36:18 2004
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 17:36:18 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] .TIFF Image of Report Pages
In-Reply-To: <BA209D7D3A20BE499AB726E4ED7A6DA1FCB731@nprdex02.nns.com>
References: <BA209D7D3A20BE499AB726E4ED7A6DA1FCB731@nprdex02.nns.com>
Message-ID: <6329865764.20040916173618@cactus.dk>

Hi Mark

The "Print To Picture" printer driver:

  http://progrex.narod.ru/ptp.html

can output to PCX, BMP, or PNG files.
Then you can convert to TIFF.

/gustav


> Does anyone have any brilliant ideas on how I could automatically generate a
> .tiff image for each page in a report?

> Background: Our company stores issued drawings in .tiff format.  In the
> past, drawings have been scanned in manually in a reproduction department.
> Currently, I issue drawings using Access reports.  It has been suggested
> that the .tiff creation MAY fall to the engineering department.



From Developer at UltraDNT.com  Thu Sep 16 11:13:01 2004
From: Developer at UltraDNT.com (Steve Conklin (Developer@UltraDNT))
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 12:13:01 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Connecting to MySQL across Internet **Anybody???**
In-Reply-To: <GPEGJHKJCEPGJIEIOEOOKELJEBAA.Subscriptions@servicexp.com>
Message-ID: <000301c49c08$0a004dc0$0200a8c0@COA3>

Ok, I'll take a shot, but this is a strict AFAIK, maybe someone else
knows better ...

Assuming your Access application is running completely on the client PC
(that's why you asked this list), that is, no ASP/IIS going on; then the
only way, and its not light, would be MySQL ODBC installed on the
client, then you can instantiate an ADO connection only when needed.

This is an area where a Web Service could come into play; that would be
lighter than ODBC, but much heavier on your development time (web server
development to expose the service, application development to request
the service, etc, etc)

Hth
Steve




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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Robert Gracie
Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 7:17 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Connecting to MySQL across Internet
**Anybody???**


Hello,
 I have a program that may need to connect to a MySQL database across
the internet, on the fly. It's only for a very small portion of the
program so it may or may not be needed to be utilized by many users.

 So basically what is the best (lightest) way to make this connection on
the fly, and only when needed? I think I will be looking at 3-4 tables
MAX.


To add,... it's an A2K .mdb

Robert Gracie
www.servicexp.com





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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Thu Sep 16 12:12:38 2004
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 10:12:38 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Connecting to MySQL across Internet **Anybody???**
References: <GPEGJHKJCEPGJIEIOEOOKELJEBAA.Subscriptions@servicexp.com>
Message-ID: <4149C986.1020103@shaw.ca>

Roughly it would look like this
check for correct options or if driver name has changed for MYODBC and 
or using OLEDB version
from
http://dev.mysql.com/tech-resources/articles/vb-blob-handling.html

'CREATE CONNECTION OBJECT AND ASSIGN CONNECTION STRING
Dim conn As ADODB.Connection
Set conn = New ADODB.Connection

conn.ConnectionString = "DRIVER={MySQL ODBC 3.51 Driver};" _
& "SERVER=127.0.0.1;" _
& "DATABASE=test;" _
& "UID=testuser;" _
& "PWD=12345;" _
& "OPTION=" & 1 + 2 + 8 + 32 + 2048 + 16384

conn.CursorLocation = adUseClient
conn.Open


'OPEN RECORDSET FOR WRITING
Dim rs As ADODB.Recordset
Set rs = New ADODB.Recordset

rs.Open "SELECT * FROM TableName", conn, adOpenStatic, adLockOptimistic
-------------------
a program to test an app using MySQL. It uses ADO 2.5
on a MySQL server version 3.23.47.
Note - if the MySQL database is off-site (available through the internet),
default port 3306 must be open on the server/firewall.


Sub TestMySQL()
On Error Resume Next
Dim cn As New ADODB.Connection
Dim sql As String

'Set Connection String
cn.ConnectionString = "driver={MySQL ODBC 3.51 
Driver};server=xx.xxx.xxx.x;Port=xxxx;uid=user;pwd=passwrd;database=Phonebook"
cn.Open

'Add records to table
sql = "INSERT INTO Phonelist (ID, FName, LName, PhoneNum) VALUES" _
& "('" & txtID & "','" & txtFName & "','" & txtLName & "','" & txtPhone 
& "')"

cn.Execute sql

cn.Close

End Sub
---------------------------------------------------
Here are some sample or freebie programs that can test your remote 
connection to MySQL

Toad for MySQL ? Preview Release
http://www.quest.com/ToadMySQL/index.asp

MyAccess MySQL type of EM for MySQL as an Access Addin
http://www.hiden.org/myaccess/

How to import Excel, Access or XML data into MySQL database by using a 
MySQL Client Tool ? Navicat?
http://www.stardeveloper.com/articles/display.html?article=2003101901&page=1



Robert Gracie wrote:

>Hello,
> I have a program that may need to connect to a MySQL database across the
>internet, on the fly. It's only for a very small portion of the program so
>it may or may not be needed to be utilized by many users.
>
> So basically what is the best (lightest) way to make this connection on the
>fly, and only when needed? I think I will be looking at 3-4 tables MAX.
>
>
>To add,... it's an A2K .mdb
>
>Robert Gracie
>www.servicexp.com
>
>
>
>
>
>  
>

-- 
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Victoria, B.C.
Canada





From BBarabash at TappeConstruction.com  Thu Sep 16 12:43:40 2004
From: BBarabash at TappeConstruction.com (Brett Barabash)
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 12:43:40 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] .TIFF Image of Report Pages
Message-ID: <100F91B31300334B89EC531C9DCB0865065950@tccexch01.tappeconstruction.net>

Mark,
Try this product: Zan Image Printer
http://www.zan1011.com/index.htm 

It allows you to output to TIFF, JPG or BMP file, and you can setup file
location defaults so it will automatically save the files to a specified
location.

(At $29, I think I might pick up a copy for myself)


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mitsules,
Mark S. (Newport News)
Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 9:39 AM
To: [AccessD]
Subject: [AccessD] .TIFF Image of Report Pages


Group,

Does anyone have any brilliant ideas on how I could automatically
generate a .tiff image for each page in a report?


Background: Our company stores issued drawings in .tiff format.  In the
past, drawings have been scanned in manually in a reproduction
department.
Currently, I issue drawings using Access reports.  It has been suggested
that the .tiff creation MAY fall to the engineering department.


Mark
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From fhtapia at gmail.com  Thu Sep 16 12:54:34 2004
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 10:54:34 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] ADP
In-Reply-To: <844F188BB505654DBCF15C4B24106C100F9AEE@headcon.headit.nl>
References: <844F188BB505654DBCF15C4B24106C100F9AEE@headcon.headit.nl>
Message-ID: <b874372a040916105411d871d1@mail.gmail.com>

oh, in that case you want to do this via code. 
For your database make sure to add the REFRENCE to "Microsoft OLE DB
Service Component 1.0 Type Library" from a code module, then use the
following in either an ON click of a button.

    Dim dl As MSDASC.DataLinks
    Dim cn As ADODB.Connection
    Dim rs As ADODB.Recordset
    


    Set dl = New MSDASC.DataLinks
    Set cn = New ADODB.Connection
    Set rs = New ADODB.Recordset

    Set cn = dl.PromptNew
    currentproject.connection.connectionstring = Trim(cn.ConnectionString)



On Thu, 16 Sep 2004 17:12:53 +0200, Carlo van der Zon (Access IT
Training) <carlo at xsit.nl> wrote:
> Ok, but this is not working in runtime.
> 
> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
> Van: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Namens fhtapia at gmail.com
> Verzonden: woensdag 15 september 2004 17:30
> Aan: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Onderwerp: Re: [AccessD] ADP
> 
> File |Connection, then select the full connection settings
> 
> On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 14:59:10 +0200, Carlo van der Zon (Access IT
> Training) <carlo at xsit.nl> wrote:
> > Hi Group,
> >
> > Does anybody know how to choose de SQL database in a ADP Runtime?
> >
> > Thanks
> > Carlo
> >
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From JHewson at karta.com  Thu Sep 16 12:55:52 2004
From: JHewson at karta.com (Jim Hewson)
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 12:55:52 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] .TIFF Image of Report Pages
Message-ID: <9C382E065F54AE48BC3AA7925DCBB01C0103E331@karta-exc-int.Karta.com>

I have Adobe Acrobat 5 and it allows one to save pdf's as TIFF, JPEG, EPS, PNG, and PS.
Each page of the PDF becomes another file. 
Jim Hewson


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim DeMarco
Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 10:13 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] .TIFF Image of Report Pages


If you can store the report as a pdf there are conversions available to get you to TIFF (I think Acrobat 6 saves as TIFF).

HTH,

Jim DeMarco

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Mitsules, Mark
S. (Newport News)
Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 10:39 AM
To: [AccessD]
Subject: [AccessD] .TIFF Image of Report Pages


Group,

Does anyone have any brilliant ideas on how I could automatically generate a
.tiff image for each page in a report?


Background: Our company stores issued drawings in .tiff format.  In the
past, drawings have been scanned in manually in a reproduction department.
Currently, I issue drawings using Access reports.  It has been suggested
that the .tiff creation MAY fall to the engineering department.


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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Thu Sep 16 12:53:53 2004
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 10:53:53 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] External IP Address of Local Machine
References: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF0ADBD7@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
Message-ID: <4149D331.5060703@shaw.ca>

I am just curious as to what this WMI code would return working  through 
a router
I get something like this without one. I have garbled numbers.

DHCPEnabled: True
DHCPLeaseExpires: 13/09/2004 5:42:44 AM
DHCPLeaseObtained: 09/11/2004 5:42:50 AM
DHCPServer: 64.58.156.40
DNSDomain: gv.homecable.net
DNSHostName: MyComputer
DomainDNSRegistrationEnabled:
IPAddress: 24.344.56.566
IPAddresslen: 13
IPConnectionMetric: 30
IPEnabled: True
MACAddress: 00:3B:27:43:6A:D1
MTU:


Sub testnicconfigS()
'set reference to WMI for WinXP and 2000
'The Win32_NetworkAdapterConfiguration WMI class represents
'the attributes and behaviors of a network adapter.
'This class has been extended to include extra properties and methods 'that
support the management of the TCP/IP and Internetworking Packet Exchange
(IPX) 'protocols (and are independent of the network adapter).
Dim strComputer As String
Dim objWMIService As Object
Dim colitems As Object
Dim objitem As Object
On Error Resume Next 'there maybe multiple Nic entries that are empty so
skip them

strComputer = "." 'default "." specifies local machine name Set
objWMIService = GetObject("winmgmts:\\" & strComputer & "\root\cimv2") Set
colitems = objWMIService.ExecQuery("Select * from
Win32_NetworkAdapterConfiguration", , 48)

For Each objitem In colitems

    Debug.Print "DHCPEnabled: " & objitem.DHCPEnabled
    Debug.Print "DHCPLeaseExpires: " & WMIDateStringToDate
(objitem.DHCPLeaseExpires)
    Debug.Print "DHCPLeaseObtained: " & WMIDateStringToDate
(objitem.DHCPLeaseObtained)
    Debug.Print "DHCPServer: " & objitem.DHCPServer
    Debug.Print "DNSDomain: " & objitem.DNSDomain

    Debug.Print "DNSHostName: " & objitem.DNSHostName

    Debug.Print "DomainDNSRegistrationEnabled: " &
objitem.DomainDNSRegistrationEnabled

    Debug.Print "IPAddress: " & objitem.IPAddress(0)
       'this is an array like other undocumented entries
       'you will have to find by trial and error
       'although there is an isarray property somewhere
       Debug.Print "IPAddresslen: " & Len(objitem.IPAddress(0))
    Debug.Print "IPConnectionMetric: " & objitem.IPConnectionMetric
    Debug.Print "IPEnabled: " & objitem.IPEnabled
    Debug.Print "MACAddress: " & objitem.MACAddress
    Debug.Print "MTU: " & objitem.MTU

Next
End Sub
Function WMIDateStringToDate(dtmInstallDate) As String 'WMI has an odd date
format WMIDateStringToDate = CDate(Mid(dtmInstallDate, 5, 2) & "/" & _
Mid(dtmInstallDate, 7, 2) & "/" & Left(dtmInstallDate, 4) _ & " " &
Mid(dtmInstallDate, 9, 2) & ":" & _ Mid(dtmInstallDate, 11, 2) & ":" &
Mid(dtmInstallDate, _ 13, 2))
End Function


Erwin Craps - IT Helps wrote:

>Shields up is a test a webserver test, but just at the startpage (before
>the test) you can see your dns name and ip address
>
>https://www.grc.com/x/ne.dll?bh0bkyd2
>
>
> 
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Conklin
>(Developer at UltraDNT)
>Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 4:17 PM
>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] External IP Address of Local Machine
>
>Thanks, Stuart.  
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart
>McLachlan
>Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 7:48 PM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problemsolving
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] External IP Address of Local Machine
>
>
>On 15 Sep 2004 at 18:55, Steve Conklin (Developer at UltraDNT) wrote:
>
>  
>
>>I am using WDSI, WinInet and various API's to get 2 Access 
>>applications to send data to each other over FTP.  It is working well,
>>    
>>
>
>  
>
>>but I want the server to be secure, that is to only allow logins/files
>>    
>>
>
>  
>
>>to come from specific IP's. This is ok when I am sending, because I 
>>know my IP, and I tell the client to allow my IP.  When I (hopefully) 
>>sell a copy to the client's client, how can they easily determine
>>    
>>
>their IP?
>  
>
>>I have looked at the Winsock API and can get remote IP's via Host
>>    
>>
>Name.
>  
>
>>However, when I want to get the IP of the local PC, it returns the 
>>192.168.x.x address; how can I get the external IP that the FTP server
>>    
>>
>
>  
>
>>needs to know through VB/API?
>>
>>    
>>
>
>If you are working through a router, you can't since only the router
>knows 
>the external address..   The only way would be to bounce an HTML request
>of
>an external website and read the return data. There a numbder of
>freeware tools available on the web that do just that. See
>http://www.snapfiles.com/freeware/network/fwip.html for examples
>
>
>If you're machine is directly connected to the Internet, you can iterate
>
>through it's IP adddresses.
>
>Here's a module to do it (watch for linewrap)
>
>Option Compare Database
>Option Explicit
>
>Const MAX_IP = 5   'To make a buffer... i dont think you have more than
>5 ip on your pc..
>
>Type IPINFO
>     dwAddr As Long   ' IP address
>    dwIndex As Long '  interface index
>    dwMask As Long ' subnet mask
>    dwBCastAddr As Long ' broadcast address
>    dwReasmSize  As Long ' assembly size
>    unused1 As Integer ' not currently used
>    unused2 As Integer '; not currently used End Type
>
>Type MIB_IPADDRTABLE
>    dEntrys As Long   'number of entries in the table
>    mIPInfo(MAX_IP) As IPINFO  'array of IP address entries End Type
>
>Type IP_Array
>    mBuffer As MIB_IPADDRTABLE
>    BufferLen As Long
>End Type
>
>Public Declare Sub CopyMemory Lib "kernel32" Alias "RtlMoveMemory"
>(Destination As Any, Source As Any, ByVal Length As Long) Public Declare
>Function GetIpAddrTable Lib "IPHlpApi" (pIPAdrTable As Byte, pdwSize As
>Long, ByVal Sort As Long) As Long
>
>
>Public Function ConvertAddressToString(longAddr As Long) As String
>    Dim myByte(3) As Byte
>    Dim Cnt As Long
>    CopyMemory myByte(0), longAddr, 4
>    For Cnt = 0 To 3
>        ConvertAddressToString = ConvertAddressToString +
>CStr(myByte(Cnt)) + "."
>    Next Cnt
>    ConvertAddressToString = Left$(ConvertAddressToString,
>Len(ConvertAddressToString) - 1) End Function
>
>Public Function IPAddresses() As Long
>Dim lngRetVal As Long
>Dim lngLoop As Long
>Dim bBytes() As Byte
>Dim IPList As MIB_IPADDRTABLE
>
>    GetIpAddrTable ByVal 0&, lngRetVal, True
>
>    If lngRetVal <= 0 Then Exit Function
>    ReDim bBytes(0 To lngRetVal - 1) As Byte
>    'retrieve the data
>    GetIpAddrTable bBytes(0), lngRetVal, False
>      
>    'Get the first 4 bytes to get the entry's.. ip installed
>    CopyMemory IPList.dEntrys, bBytes(0), 4
>
>    For lngLoop = 0 To IPList.dEntrys - 1
>        'Copy whole structure to Listing..
>        CopyMemory IPList.mIPInfo(lngLoop), bBytes(4 + (lngLoop *
>Len(IPList.mIPInfo(0)))), Len(IPList.mIPInfo(lngLoop))
>         Debug.Print "IP address                   : " &
>ConvertAddressToString(IPList.mIPInfo(lngLoop).dwAddr)
>         Debug.Print "IP Subnetmask            : " &
>ConvertAddressToString(IPList.mIPInfo(lngLoop).dwMask)
>         Debug.Print "BroadCast IP address  : " &
>ConvertAddressToString(IPList.mIPInfo(lngLoop).dwBCastAddr)
>         Debug.Print "**************************************"
>    Next
>
>End Function
>
>
>--
>Stuart
>
>
>  
>

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Canada





From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com  Thu Sep 16 13:40:51 2004
From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark S. (Newport News))
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 14:40:51 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] .TIFF Image of Report Pages
Message-ID: <BA209D7D3A20BE499AB726E4ED7A6DA1FCB735@nprdex02.nns.com>

Before now I hadn't really paid attention to all the .pdf alternatives.
Wasn't there a free .pdf generator...?  Something along the lines of pdf99
or similar?

Mark



-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Hewson [mailto:JHewson at karta.com] 
Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 1:56 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] .TIFF Image of Report Pages


I have Adobe Acrobat 5 and it allows one to save pdf's as TIFF, JPEG, EPS,
PNG, and PS.
Each page of the PDF becomes another file. 
Jim Hewson


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim DeMarco
Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 10:13 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] .TIFF Image of Report Pages


If you can store the report as a pdf there are conversions available to get
you to TIFF (I think Acrobat 6 saves as TIFF).

HTH,

Jim DeMarco

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Mitsules, Mark
S. (Newport News)
Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 10:39 AM
To: [AccessD]
Subject: [AccessD] .TIFF Image of Report Pages


Group,

Does anyone have any brilliant ideas on how I could automatically generate a
.tiff image for each page in a report?


Background: Our company stores issued drawings in .tiff format.  In the
past, drawings have been scanned in manually in a reproduction department.
Currently, I issue drawings using Access reports.  It has been suggested
that the .tiff creation MAY fall to the engineering department.


Mark
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From CMackin at quiznos.com  Thu Sep 16 13:50:13 2004
From: CMackin at quiznos.com (Mackin, Christopher)
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 12:50:13 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] ADP
Message-ID: <EBEA2FA1665EDA40A600D92C87B9B4CE27EEBE@snowmass.quiznos.net>

Alternatively, if you want to give the users the ability to modify the Connection, just use this code:

  DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdConnection

It works in both .adp's and .ade's (At least for Access XP)

-Chris Mackin

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Francisco
Tapia
Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 11:55 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] ADP


oh, in that case you want to do this via code. 
For your database make sure to add the REFRENCE to "Microsoft OLE DB
Service Component 1.0 Type Library" from a code module, then use the
following in either an ON click of a button.

    Dim dl As MSDASC.DataLinks
    Dim cn As ADODB.Connection
    Dim rs As ADODB.Recordset
    


    Set dl = New MSDASC.DataLinks
    Set cn = New ADODB.Connection
    Set rs = New ADODB.Recordset

    Set cn = dl.PromptNew
    currentproject.connection.connectionstring = Trim(cn.ConnectionString)



On Thu, 16 Sep 2004 17:12:53 +0200, Carlo van der Zon (Access IT
Training) <carlo at xsit.nl> wrote:
> Ok, but this is not working in runtime.
> 
> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
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> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Namens fhtapia at gmail.com
> Verzonden: woensdag 15 september 2004 17:30
> Aan: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Onderwerp: Re: [AccessD] ADP
> 
> File |Connection, then select the full connection settings
> 
> On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 14:59:10 +0200, Carlo van der Zon (Access IT
> Training) <carlo at xsit.nl> wrote:
> > Hi Group,
> >
> > Does anybody know how to choose de SQL database in a ADP Runtime?
> >
> > Thanks
> > Carlo
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From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com  Thu Sep 16 13:51:22 2004
From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark S. (Newport News))
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 14:51:22 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] .TIFF Image of Report Pages
Message-ID: <BA209D7D3A20BE499AB726E4ED7A6DA1FCB737@nprdex02.nns.com>

Thanks Brett.  This looks like the quickest route.


Mark


-----Original Message-----
From: Brett Barabash [mailto:BBarabash at tappeconstruction.com] 
Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 1:44 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] .TIFF Image of Report Pages


Mark,
Try this product: Zan Image Printer
http://www.zan1011.com/index.htm 

It allows you to output to TIFF, JPG or BMP file, and you can setup file
location defaults so it will automatically save the files to a specified
location.

(At $29, I think I might pick up a copy for myself)


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mitsules,
Mark S. (Newport News)
Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 9:39 AM
To: [AccessD]
Subject: [AccessD] .TIFF Image of Report Pages


Group,

Does anyone have any brilliant ideas on how I could automatically
generate a .tiff image for each page in a report?


Background: Our company stores issued drawings in .tiff format.  In the
past, drawings have been scanned in manually in a reproduction
department.
Currently, I issue drawings using Access reports.  It has been suggested
that the .tiff creation MAY fall to the engineering department.


Mark
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From BBarabash at TappeConstruction.com  Thu Sep 16 14:41:55 2004
From: BBarabash at TappeConstruction.com (Brett Barabash)
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 14:41:55 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] .TIFF Image of Report Pages
Message-ID: <100F91B31300334B89EC531C9DCB0865065951@tccexch01.tappeconstruction.net>

GhostScript is free (but quite involved to setup).  PDF995 is based off
of GhostScript, and charges $9.95 for the reduced headaches.  

Differences between a PDF995 created document and an Adobe Acrobat
document are minimal (Gustav pointed out a few minor differences, should
be in the archives).

I would recommend PDF995 as an almost-free PDF alternative.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mitsules,
Mark S. (Newport News)
Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 1:41 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] .TIFF Image of Report Pages


Before now I hadn't really paid attention to all the .pdf alternatives.
Wasn't there a free .pdf generator...?  Something along the lines of
pdf99 or similar?

Mark



-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Hewson [mailto:JHewson at karta.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 1:56 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] .TIFF Image of Report Pages


I have Adobe Acrobat 5 and it allows one to save pdf's as TIFF, JPEG,
EPS,
PNG, and PS.
Each page of the PDF becomes another file. 
Jim Hewson


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim DeMarco
Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 10:13 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] .TIFF Image of Report Pages


If you can store the report as a pdf there are conversions available to
get
you to TIFF (I think Acrobat 6 saves as TIFF).

HTH,

Jim DeMarco

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Mitsules, Mark
S. (Newport News)
Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 10:39 AM
To: [AccessD]
Subject: [AccessD] .TIFF Image of Report Pages


Group,

Does anyone have any brilliant ideas on how I could automatically
generate a
.tiff image for each page in a report?


Background: Our company stores issued drawings in .tiff format.  In the
past, drawings have been scanned in manually in a reproduction
department.
Currently, I issue drawings using Access reports.  It has been suggested
that the .tiff creation MAY fall to the engineering department.


Mark
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From Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com  Thu Sep 16 16:14:25 2004
From: Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com (Hale, Jim)
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 16:14:25 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] .TIFF Image of Report Pages
Message-ID: <6A6AA9DF57E4F046BDA1E273BDDB677217FF11@corp-es01.fleetpride.com>

The only significant glitch for me with these non Adobe PDF converters has
been the inability to mix landscape with portrait pages in the same
document.
Jim Hale

-----Original Message-----
From: Brett Barabash [mailto:BBarabash at tappeconstruction.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 2:42 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] .TIFF Image of Report Pages


GhostScript is free (but quite involved to setup).  PDF995 is based off
of GhostScript, and charges $9.95 for the reduced headaches.  

Differences between a PDF995 created document and an Adobe Acrobat
document are minimal (Gustav pointed out a few minor differences, should
be in the archives).

I would recommend PDF995 as an almost-free PDF alternative.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mitsules,
Mark S. (Newport News)
Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 1:41 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] .TIFF Image of Report Pages


Before now I hadn't really paid attention to all the .pdf alternatives.
Wasn't there a free .pdf generator...?  Something along the lines of
pdf99 or similar?

Mark



-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Hewson [mailto:JHewson at karta.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 1:56 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] .TIFF Image of Report Pages


I have Adobe Acrobat 5 and it allows one to save pdf's as TIFF, JPEG,
EPS,
PNG, and PS.
Each page of the PDF becomes another file. 
Jim Hewson


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim DeMarco
Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 10:13 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] .TIFF Image of Report Pages


If you can store the report as a pdf there are conversions available to
get
you to TIFF (I think Acrobat 6 saves as TIFF).

HTH,

Jim DeMarco

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Mitsules, Mark
S. (Newport News)
Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 10:39 AM
To: [AccessD]
Subject: [AccessD] .TIFF Image of Report Pages


Group,

Does anyone have any brilliant ideas on how I could automatically
generate a
.tiff image for each page in a report?


Background: Our company stores issued drawings in .tiff format.  In the
past, drawings have been scanned in manually in a reproduction
department.
Currently, I issue drawings using Access reports.  It has been suggested
that the .tiff creation MAY fall to the engineering department.


Mark
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From Patricia.O'Connor at dfa.state.ny.us  Thu Sep 16 10:22:58 2004
From: Patricia.O'Connor at dfa.state.ny.us (O'Connor, Patricia (OTDA))
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 11:22:58 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] TEST - ignore
Message-ID: <B94C79B465542042AB0748EAF37F9AC024A860@EXCNYSM0A1AB.nysemail.nyenet>

Just a test to see whether anything I send will get to list. I have
tried to send something to list for several days and it is being delayed
by my email server. 

******************************************************************
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From Patricia.O'Connor at dfa.state.ny.us  Wed Sep 15 12:44:24 2004
From: Patricia.O'Connor at dfa.state.ny.us (O'Connor, Patricia (OTDA))
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 13:44:24 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Project or Task manager ??
Message-ID: <B94C79B465542042AB0748EAF37F9AC024A85D@EXCNYSM0A1AB.nysemail.nyenet>


Hi all,

This has probably been discussed but I tried the archives and can not
find it. Does anyone have, know of, or have suggestions for an Access
database that does project management - not ms project don't need
something that sophisticated. 

We want to be able to store all the requests that come into our unit,
who requested, status, start date, document links etc.  We would want to
be able to produce reports in various ways; Assignee, requestor, date
completed, referencing data (attachments or hyperlinks). Maybe some sub
tasks but nothing fancy.

All unit member will have to be able to update, print reports, and view.
Not a lot of bells and whistles. Would like to not have to roll our own
if possible. Expensive software is not an option.  

Thanks
Patti

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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Thu Sep 16 16:28:44 2004
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 22:28:44 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] TEST - ignore
In-Reply-To: <B94C79B465542042AB0748EAF37F9AC024A860@EXCNYSM0A1AB.nysemail.nyenet>
Message-ID: <000201c49c34$2558de30$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25>

There is a problem with some posts. Bryan is looking at it. Please be
patient.

-- Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 




From BarbaraRyan at cox.net  Thu Sep 16 16:52:32 2004
From: BarbaraRyan at cox.net (Barbara Ryan)
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 17:52:32 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Copy tables from/to databases other than the Current db
Message-ID: <001401c49c37$7839ba40$0a00a8c0@cx470148a>

Using code in an Access 97 application (let's call it DB1), I need to copy tables from database DB2 to database DB3.  I know how to copy objects from DB1 to DB3 (using Transferdatabase), but this is stumping me.

More info --- DB1 is the front end of the application; DB2 is the back end (tables) of the application, and DB3 is a temporary database that I create "on the fly" (using code in the front end).  I can't copy the tables from DB1 to DB3 because DB1 only contains the links to tables in DB2.

Hope this isn't too confusing!

Thanks,
Barb Ryan

From mgauk at btconnect.com  Wed Sep 15 04:23:13 2004
From: mgauk at btconnect.com (MG)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 10:23:13 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Firefox Shameless plug...
In-Reply-To: <b874372a040914204147c11f51@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200409162209.i8GM9ci30409@databaseadvisors.com>

Does anybody have any code to link Access to Thurderbird mail client?
Thanks
Max Sherman
 

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Sent: 15 September 2004 04:42
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues; Access Developers discussion
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Subject: [AccessD] Firefox Shameless plug...

Version 1.0 is out (PR preview release) to say the least it is awesome... if
you subscribe to RSS feeds for anything, you'll probably take to what they
are calling LIVE bookmarks... they ARE sweet.
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From Developer at UltraDNT.com  Thu Sep 16 18:36:36 2004
From: Developer at UltraDNT.com (Steve Conklin (Developer@UltraDNT))
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 19:36:36 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] External IP Address of Local Machine
In-Reply-To: <4149D331.5060703@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <000001c49c46$023e5620$0200a8c0@COA3>

Marty:
It iterated through about 6 times; most entries were blank, on about the
4th pass I got my DSN information, but it was also only showing the LAN
IP (192.168.x.x), not the WAN address.

I found an external utility form the page Stuart suggested, it looks
like I'll have to Shell that to know the user's external IP.  The
Help/About mentions MFC classes, so its making Windows calls that
*should* be exposed somewhere as an API/DLL, but I haven't figured out
how yet.


Steve


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 1:54 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] External IP Address of Local Machine


I am just curious as to what this WMI code would return working  through

a router
I get something like this without one. I have garbled numbers.

DHCPEnabled: True
DHCPLeaseExpires: 13/09/2004 5:42:44 AM
DHCPLeaseObtained: 09/11/2004 5:42:50 AM
DHCPServer: 64.58.156.40
DNSDomain: gv.homecable.net
DNSHostName: MyComputer
DomainDNSRegistrationEnabled:
IPAddress: 24.344.56.566
IPAddresslen: 13
IPConnectionMetric: 30
IPEnabled: True
MACAddress: 00:3B:27:43:6A:D1
MTU:


Sub testnicconfigS()
'set reference to WMI for WinXP and 2000
'The Win32_NetworkAdapterConfiguration WMI class represents 'the
attributes and behaviors of a network adapter. 'This class has been
extended to include extra properties and methods 'that support the
management of the TCP/IP and Internetworking Packet Exchange
(IPX) 'protocols (and are independent of the network adapter). Dim
strComputer As String Dim objWMIService As Object Dim colitems As Object
Dim objitem As Object On Error Resume Next 'there maybe multiple Nic
entries that are empty so skip them

strComputer = "." 'default "." specifies local machine name Set
objWMIService = GetObject("winmgmts:\\" & strComputer & "\root\cimv2")
Set colitems = objWMIService.ExecQuery("Select * from
Win32_NetworkAdapterConfiguration", , 48)

For Each objitem In colitems

    Debug.Print "DHCPEnabled: " & objitem.DHCPEnabled
    Debug.Print "DHCPLeaseExpires: " & WMIDateStringToDate
(objitem.DHCPLeaseExpires)
    Debug.Print "DHCPLeaseObtained: " & WMIDateStringToDate
(objitem.DHCPLeaseObtained)
    Debug.Print "DHCPServer: " & objitem.DHCPServer
    Debug.Print "DNSDomain: " & objitem.DNSDomain

    Debug.Print "DNSHostName: " & objitem.DNSHostName

    Debug.Print "DomainDNSRegistrationEnabled: " &
objitem.DomainDNSRegistrationEnabled

    Debug.Print "IPAddress: " & objitem.IPAddress(0)
       'this is an array like other undocumented entries
       'you will have to find by trial and error
       'although there is an isarray property somewhere
       Debug.Print "IPAddresslen: " & Len(objitem.IPAddress(0))
    Debug.Print "IPConnectionMetric: " & objitem.IPConnectionMetric
    Debug.Print "IPEnabled: " & objitem.IPEnabled
    Debug.Print "MACAddress: " & objitem.MACAddress
    Debug.Print "MTU: " & objitem.MTU

Next
End Sub
Function WMIDateStringToDate(dtmInstallDate) As String 'WMI has an odd
date format WMIDateStringToDate = CDate(Mid(dtmInstallDate, 5, 2) & "/"
& _ Mid(dtmInstallDate, 7, 2) & "/" & Left(dtmInstallDate, 4) _ & " " &
Mid(dtmInstallDate, 9, 2) & ":" & _ Mid(dtmInstallDate, 11, 2) & ":" &
Mid(dtmInstallDate, _ 13, 2)) End Function


Erwin Craps - IT Helps wrote:

>Shields up is a test a webserver test, but just at the startpage
>(before the test) you can see your dns name and ip address
>
>https://www.grc.com/x/ne.dll?bh0bkyd2
>
>
> 
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve
>Conklin
>(Developer at UltraDNT)
>Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 4:17 PM
>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] External IP Address of Local Machine
>
>Thanks, Stuart.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart
>McLachlan
>Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 7:48 PM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problemsolving
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] External IP Address of Local Machine
>
>
>On 15 Sep 2004 at 18:55, Steve Conklin (Developer at UltraDNT) wrote:
>
>  
>
>>I am using WDSI, WinInet and various API's to get 2 Access 
>>applications to send data to each other over FTP.  It is working well,
>>    
>>
>
>  
>
>>but I want the server to be secure, that is to only allow logins/files
>>    
>>
>
>  
>
>>to come from specific IP's. This is ok when I am sending, because I 
>>know my IP, and I tell the client to allow my IP.  When I (hopefully) 
>>sell a copy to the client's client, how can they easily determine
>>    
>>
>their IP?
>  
>
>>I have looked at the Winsock API and can get remote IP's via Host
>>    
>>
>Name.
>  
>
>>However, when I want to get the IP of the local PC, it returns the 
>>192.168.x.x address; how can I get the external IP that the FTP server
>>    
>>
>
>  
>
>>needs to know through VB/API?
>>
>>    
>>
>
>If you are working through a router, you can't since only the router
>knows
>the external address..   The only way would be to bounce an HTML
request
>of
>an external website and read the return data. There a numbder of 
>freeware tools available on the web that do just that. See 
>http://www.snapfiles.com/freeware/network/fwip.html for examples
>
>
>If you're machine is directly connected to the Internet, you can
>iterate
>
>through it's IP adddresses.
>
>Here's a module to do it (watch for linewrap)
>
>Option Compare Database
>Option Explicit
>
>Const MAX_IP = 5   'To make a buffer... i dont think you have more than
>5 ip on your pc..
>
>Type IPINFO
>     dwAddr As Long   ' IP address
>    dwIndex As Long '  interface index
>    dwMask As Long ' subnet mask
>    dwBCastAddr As Long ' broadcast address
>    dwReasmSize  As Long ' assembly size
>    unused1 As Integer ' not currently used
>    unused2 As Integer '; not currently used End Type
>
>Type MIB_IPADDRTABLE
>    dEntrys As Long   'number of entries in the table
>    mIPInfo(MAX_IP) As IPINFO  'array of IP address entries End Type
>
>Type IP_Array
>    mBuffer As MIB_IPADDRTABLE
>    BufferLen As Long
>End Type
>
>Public Declare Sub CopyMemory Lib "kernel32" Alias "RtlMoveMemory"
>(Destination As Any, Source As Any, ByVal Length As Long) Public 
>Declare Function GetIpAddrTable Lib "IPHlpApi" (pIPAdrTable As Byte, 
>pdwSize As Long, ByVal Sort As Long) As Long
>
>
>Public Function ConvertAddressToString(longAddr As Long) As String
>    Dim myByte(3) As Byte
>    Dim Cnt As Long
>    CopyMemory myByte(0), longAddr, 4
>    For Cnt = 0 To 3
>        ConvertAddressToString = ConvertAddressToString +
>CStr(myByte(Cnt)) + "."
>    Next Cnt
>    ConvertAddressToString = Left$(ConvertAddressToString,
>Len(ConvertAddressToString) - 1) End Function
>
>Public Function IPAddresses() As Long
>Dim lngRetVal As Long
>Dim lngLoop As Long
>Dim bBytes() As Byte
>Dim IPList As MIB_IPADDRTABLE
>
>    GetIpAddrTable ByVal 0&, lngRetVal, True
>
>    If lngRetVal <= 0 Then Exit Function
>    ReDim bBytes(0 To lngRetVal - 1) As Byte
>    'retrieve the data
>    GetIpAddrTable bBytes(0), lngRetVal, False
>      
>    'Get the first 4 bytes to get the entry's.. ip installed
>    CopyMemory IPList.dEntrys, bBytes(0), 4
>
>    For lngLoop = 0 To IPList.dEntrys - 1
>        'Copy whole structure to Listing..
>        CopyMemory IPList.mIPInfo(lngLoop), bBytes(4 + (lngLoop *
>Len(IPList.mIPInfo(0)))), Len(IPList.mIPInfo(lngLoop))
>         Debug.Print "IP address                   : " &
>ConvertAddressToString(IPList.mIPInfo(lngLoop).dwAddr)
>         Debug.Print "IP Subnetmask            : " &
>ConvertAddressToString(IPList.mIPInfo(lngLoop).dwMask)
>         Debug.Print "BroadCast IP address  : " &
>ConvertAddressToString(IPList.mIPInfo(lngLoop).dwBCastAddr)
>         Debug.Print "**************************************"
>    Next
>
>End Function
>
>
>--
>Stuart
>
>
>  
>

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Sep 16 18:40:12 2004
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence (AccessD))
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 16:40:12 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Urgent help please - Can't open
	htmlpageinFrontpagefromAccess form
In-Reply-To: <001701c49ae1$661c0d10$6501a8c0@user>
Message-ID: <FJEJLIPOMCGJALMGLLLIMENFCGAA.accessd@shaw.ca>

Hi Kath:

It is a interest dilemma. One side the users is having difficulty
understanding the changes created to a translated word document and on the
other side accepting the complexity of building a document/web page in
FrontPage.

The resultant FP created documents will have to be stored in directories, on
your server running IIS, below the tree location
\\MyServer\Inetpub\wwwroot\WebDocumentDirectory\.... then they will be able
to be run/displayed from anywhere on LAN. When the web based files are
stored in this location your IIS server manages their display. I.e.
\\MyServer\Inetpub\wwwroot\WebDocumentDirectory\MyNewFPDocument123.html,
would run and display from anywhere accessed on your network. Note: If the
file, being accessed has an extension that is not supported/configured (not
web files like .html, .htm, .php, .pl, .asp, etc... depends on how the IIS
is setup), IIS will attempt to download the file to the station selecting
it.

Hope this is not confusing or over-stated. If it is confusing just ask for
clarification.

HTH
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti
Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 10:04 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Urgent help please - Can't open
htmlpageinFrontpagefromAccess form


Hi Jim - thanks for your comment - these particular users really don't
understand (or accept) that the doc. will look different once displayed in
the browser, eg. if they have created it in Word and then it is converted by
Microsoft to html....and I understand where they are coming from.

They have accepted that to create it as a web page they need to do so in
Frontpage and then they can see how it will look once it goes live. My
problem (and I can't believe that I'm still stuck on this) is providing a
link for all staff in the office to be able to open the documents they
create, edit them and save them.

It is essential that it happen from the database because I am storing a
history of documents (just path/s and filename/s) they create and they have
complex selection criteria for nominating which clients eventually *see* the
doc on the website. Given that it is so easy to create / and link to a doc
in Word or Excel from an Access form I thought it would be pretty
straightforward to do something like this in Frontpage. I'm still sure that
it is.....just not there yet.

Kath
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Jim Lawrence (AccessD)
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
  Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 1:03 PM
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] Urgent help please - Can't open html
pageinFrontpagefromAccess form


  Hi Kath:

  If the file is in html format and saved with the html extension. I.e.
  test.html, then any station with an active browser will display it. Even
if
  the file is originally a document file it can be saved as an html file and
  Microsoft will do the conversion for you...sometime it is not very pretty
  but it is simple. All that has to be done for each station to view/run it
is
  that the html 'document' has to be stored in a common shared directory.

  HTH
  Jim

  -----Original Message-----
  From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
  [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti
  Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 4:12 PM
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Urgent help please - Can't open html
  pageinFrontpagefrom Access form


  I don't have VB Drew.......

  Kath
    ----- Original Message -----
    From: DWUTKA at marlow.com
    To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
    Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 12:01 AM
    Subject: RE: [AccessD] Urgent help please - Can't open html page
  inFrontpagefrom Access form


    If you have VB, you can just 'preview' it for them in a simple VB
browser.

    Drew

    -----Original Message-----
    From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
    [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti
    Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 6:47 AM
    To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
    Subject: Re: [AccessD] Urgent help please - Can't open html page
    inFrontpagefrom Access form


    Thanks Eric - I am finding this so confusing.

    Yes - I have IIS running here - so my file must be in a folder from
    C:\Inetpub\wwwroot?  I need to allow the database users to share a
common
    file - can it find a web in a network location?

    To go back to the basic requirements - what I am trying to do is allow
  users
    to click on a button in the databse which will open a document which
will
  be
    published to the web. I want them to be able to create and edit that
    document by following a link from an access form, because the letter
that
    the users 'create' will be linked to recipients from my database.

    They could theoretically do it in Word or Notepad (or even within
Access),
    but I want them to see how it will preview on the web before they
finalise
    it, so formatting is done. I don't want to have to worry about whether
  they
    are running IIS or create web folders or whatever - just open and edit a
    simple html file in Frontpage so they can see how it would publish. Am I
    going about this the wrong way?

    TIA!
    Kath

      ----- Original Message -----
      From: Eric Barro
      To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
      Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 11:31 AM
      Subject: RE: [AccessD] Urgent help please - Can't open html page
    inFrontpagefrom Access form


      Kath,

      FP webs expect to open these web folders in reference to the web root
    folder in IIS.

      For example:

      You have IIS (web server) running on the machine and you have a web
  called
    MYWEB. IIS sees this as http://localhost/MYWEB. The physical location
    (assuming the web root is C:\INETPUB\WWWROOT) is
  C:\INETPUB\WWWROOT\MYWEB\.
    So...if MYWEB is in a different folder...say
    C:\INETPUB\WWWROOT\ANOTHERFOLDER\MYWEB\  FP won't be able to recognize
  that
    as a web location.

      ---
      Eric Barro
      Senior Systems Analyst
      Advanced Field Services
      (208) 772-7060
      http://www.afsweb.com

      -----Original Message-----
      From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
      [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Kath
Pelletti
      Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 6:13 PM
      To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
      Subject: [AccessD] Urgent help please - Can't open html page in
      Frontpagefrom Access form


      I have wasted ages on this so am now begging assistance........

      I have an html file (empty at present - later it will have some basic
    text)

      I need to my code to
      - Make a copy of the template.html file (I can do that) and
      - give it a new name, eg. Template_BHP_140904.html (I can do that)
      - Open the html file just created in Frontpage for users to modify the
    document (That's where I'm stuck....)

      My problem is a total lack of knowledge of files vs. webs and
therefore
    the syntax I need. Questions: -

      - Do I have to have a 'web' or 'web folder' - can't I just have an
html
    file and open it?

      - If I can, what is the alternative syntax to .webs.open - eg. I am
    looking for a .pages.open property or .files.open ?

      Here's my code so far - when I run it I get an error  - There is no
web
    named "/E:/SDS/Clients/CPP/WebLetters/Template.html"



    ------------------------------------------------------------------------
--
  --
    ----

      Private Sub CmdOpenFP_Click()

      Dim oFPweb As FrontPage.Web
      Dim oFP As FrontPage.Application
      Dim FrontPageRunning As Boolean

      'Determine whether FrontPage is alredy open or not
      FrontPageRunning = IsFrontPageRunning()

      If Not FrontPageRunning Then
          MsgBox ("Frontpage is Closed")
          Set oFP = CreateObject("Frontpage.Application")
      Else
          MsgBox ("Frontpage is already open")
          Set oFP = GetObject(, "Frontpage.Application")
      End If

      'add code here later to make a copy of my file

      'open file in front
page------------------------------------------------
      oFP.Webs.Open ("E:\Sds\Clients\CPP\Webletters\template.html")
    'STUCK HERE

       ' Show FrontPage
       oFPweb.Activate
       'Set oFP = Nothing

      End Sub


    ------------------------------------------------------------------------
--
  --
    ----

      TIA


      Kath Pelletti
      Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd.
      Ph: 9505-6714
      Fax: 9505-6430
      KP at SDSOnline.net
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Sep 16 20:47:08 2004
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 21:47:08 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Output Larg Text File
In-Reply-To: <BAY1-F31b9cQy4U7Kx100008cc2@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <004f01c49c58$42ca8440$e8dafea9@ColbyM6805>

LOL.  Who's going to read an 11 THOUSAND page report?  This must be the
government?  I think you are running into GOD trying to protect her trees.
;-)

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 8:56 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Output Larg Text File


Hello All,

In A97 or A2k...I have a large report(>60,000 record and >11,000 Pages)...I 
need to save this as a text/rtf/something...everytime I try...I get an "over

flow" error...any suggestions?

Thanks,

Mark


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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Fri Sep 17 00:46:03 2004
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 22:46:03 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] External IP Address of Local Machine
References: <000001c49c46$023e5620$0200a8c0@COA3>
Message-ID: <414A7A1B.4030704@shaw.ca>

I tried a couple of other methods

grabbing the ip entries from this created text file ; sort of slow even 
with only 3 hops
tracert -h 3 www.microsoft.com > testtrac.txt
----------------------------------------
If you are configuring your router thru http methods
"http://192.168.0.1/st_devic.html"
is supposed to give you the ip address
but then you have to clear the cache
use this to clear out IE cached pages for DSL router app. 
 
Private Declare Function DeleteUrlCacheEntry Lib "wininet.dll" Alias 
 
"DeleteUrlCacheEntryA" (ByVal lpszUrlName As String) As Long 
 
DeleteUrlCacheEntry "http://192.168.0.1/st_devic.html" 
 
DeleteUrlCacheEntry "http://192.168.0.1/st_stats.html" 
----------------
http://checkip.dyndns.org/
can only use every 10 minutes otherwise site gets annoyed

Dim objExplorer As Object
Dim objDocument As Object
Dim strComputer As String
Dim objWMIService As Object
Dim colLoggedEvents As Object
Dim objEvent As Object
Dim dtmDate As Variant
Dim strReturn As String

Set objExplorer = CreateObject("InternetExplorer.Application")
'Set objDocument = objExplorer.Document
objExplorer.Navigate "about:blank"
objExplorer.Toolbar = 0
objExplorer.StatusBar = 0
objExplorer.Width = 800
objExplorer.Height = 570
objExplorer.Left = 0
objExplorer.Top = 0
objExplorer.Visible = 1

objExplorer.Navigate "http://checkip.dyndns.org/"
Do While (objExplorer.Busy)
Loop
Dim webtx As String
Dim strHTML As String
'Set objDocument = objExplorer.Document
'objDocument.Open

strHTML = objExplorer.Document.BODY.parentElement.outerHTML
 Debug.Print strHTML
'parse the string here

MsgBox "finished"
Set objExplorer = Nothing
Set objDocument = Nothing

End Sub



Steve Conklin (Developer at UltraDNT) wrote:

>Marty:
>It iterated through about 6 times; most entries were blank, on about the
>4th pass I got my DSN information, but it was also only showing the LAN
>IP (192.168.x.x), not the WAN address.
>
>I found an external utility form the page Stuart suggested, it looks
>like I'll have to Shell that to know the user's external IP.  The
>Help/About mentions MFC classes, so its making Windows calls that
>*should* be exposed somewhere as an API/DLL, but I haven't figured out
>how yet.
>
>
>Steve
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
>Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 1:54 PM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] External IP Address of Local Machine
>
>
>I am just curious as to what this WMI code would return working  through
>
>a router
>I get something like this without one. I have garbled numbers.
>
>DHCPEnabled: True
>DHCPLeaseExpires: 13/09/2004 5:42:44 AM
>DHCPLeaseObtained: 09/11/2004 5:42:50 AM
>DHCPServer: 64.58.156.40
>DNSDomain: gv.homecable.net
>DNSHostName: MyComputer
>DomainDNSRegistrationEnabled:
>IPAddress: 24.344.56.566
>IPAddresslen: 13
>IPConnectionMetric: 30
>IPEnabled: True
>MACAddress: 00:3B:27:43:6A:D1
>MTU:
>
>
>Sub testnicconfigS()
>'set reference to WMI for WinXP and 2000
>'The Win32_NetworkAdapterConfiguration WMI class represents 'the
>attributes and behaviors of a network adapter. 'This class has been
>extended to include extra properties and methods 'that support the
>management of the TCP/IP and Internetworking Packet Exchange
>(IPX) 'protocols (and are independent of the network adapter). Dim
>strComputer As String Dim objWMIService As Object Dim colitems As Object
>Dim objitem As Object On Error Resume Next 'there maybe multiple Nic
>entries that are empty so skip them
>
>strComputer = "." 'default "." specifies local machine name Set
>objWMIService = GetObject("winmgmts:\\" & strComputer & "\root\cimv2")
>Set colitems = objWMIService.ExecQuery("Select * from
>Win32_NetworkAdapterConfiguration", , 48)
>
>For Each objitem In colitems
>
>    Debug.Print "DHCPEnabled: " & objitem.DHCPEnabled
>    Debug.Print "DHCPLeaseExpires: " & WMIDateStringToDate
>(objitem.DHCPLeaseExpires)
>    Debug.Print "DHCPLeaseObtained: " & WMIDateStringToDate
>(objitem.DHCPLeaseObtained)
>    Debug.Print "DHCPServer: " & objitem.DHCPServer
>    Debug.Print "DNSDomain: " & objitem.DNSDomain
>
>    Debug.Print "DNSHostName: " & objitem.DNSHostName
>
>    Debug.Print "DomainDNSRegistrationEnabled: " &
>objitem.DomainDNSRegistrationEnabled
>
>    Debug.Print "IPAddress: " & objitem.IPAddress(0)
>       'this is an array like other undocumented entries
>       'you will have to find by trial and error
>       'although there is an isarray property somewhere
>       Debug.Print "IPAddresslen: " & Len(objitem.IPAddress(0))
>    Debug.Print "IPConnectionMetric: " & objitem.IPConnectionMetric
>    Debug.Print "IPEnabled: " & objitem.IPEnabled
>    Debug.Print "MACAddress: " & objitem.MACAddress
>    Debug.Print "MTU: " & objitem.MTU
>
>Next
>End Sub
>Function WMIDateStringToDate(dtmInstallDate) As String 'WMI has an odd
>date format WMIDateStringToDate = CDate(Mid(dtmInstallDate, 5, 2) & "/"
>& _ Mid(dtmInstallDate, 7, 2) & "/" & Left(dtmInstallDate, 4) _ & " " &
>Mid(dtmInstallDate, 9, 2) & ":" & _ Mid(dtmInstallDate, 11, 2) & ":" &
>Mid(dtmInstallDate, _ 13, 2)) End Function
>
>
>Erwin Craps - IT Helps wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Shields up is a test a webserver test, but just at the startpage
>>(before the test) you can see your dns name and ip address
>>
>>https://www.grc.com/x/ne.dll?bh0bkyd2
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve
>>Conklin
>>(Developer at UltraDNT)
>>Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 4:17 PM
>>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>>Subject: RE: [AccessD] External IP Address of Local Machine
>>
>>Thanks, Stuart.
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart
>>McLachlan
>>Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 7:48 PM
>>To: Access Developers discussion and problemsolving
>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] External IP Address of Local Machine
>>
>>
>>On 15 Sep 2004 at 18:55, Steve Conklin (Developer at UltraDNT) wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>>    
>>
>>>I am using WDSI, WinInet and various API's to get 2 Access 
>>>applications to send data to each other over FTP.  It is working well,
>>>   
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>> 
>>
>>    
>>
>>>but I want the server to be secure, that is to only allow logins/files
>>>   
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>> 
>>
>>    
>>
>>>to come from specific IP's. This is ok when I am sending, because I 
>>>know my IP, and I tell the client to allow my IP.  When I (hopefully) 
>>>sell a copy to the client's client, how can they easily determine
>>>   
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>their IP?
>> 
>>
>>    
>>
>>>I have looked at the Winsock API and can get remote IP's via Host
>>>   
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>Name.
>> 
>>
>>    
>>
>>>However, when I want to get the IP of the local PC, it returns the 
>>>192.168.x.x address; how can I get the external IP that the FTP server
>>>   
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>> 
>>
>>    
>>
>>>needs to know through VB/API?
>>>
>>>   
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>If you are working through a router, you can't since only the router
>>knows
>>the external address..   The only way would be to bounce an HTML
>>    
>>
>request
>  
>
>>of
>>an external website and read the return data. There a numbder of 
>>freeware tools available on the web that do just that. See 
>>http://www.snapfiles.com/freeware/network/fwip.html for examples
>>
>>
>>If you're machine is directly connected to the Internet, you can
>>iterate
>>
>>through it's IP adddresses.
>>
>>Here's a module to do it (watch for linewrap)
>>
>>Option Compare Database
>>Option Explicit
>>
>>Const MAX_IP = 5   'To make a buffer... i dont think you have more than
>>5 ip on your pc..
>>
>>Type IPINFO
>>    dwAddr As Long   ' IP address
>>   dwIndex As Long '  interface index
>>   dwMask As Long ' subnet mask
>>   dwBCastAddr As Long ' broadcast address
>>   dwReasmSize  As Long ' assembly size
>>   unused1 As Integer ' not currently used
>>   unused2 As Integer '; not currently used End Type
>>
>>Type MIB_IPADDRTABLE
>>   dEntrys As Long   'number of entries in the table
>>   mIPInfo(MAX_IP) As IPINFO  'array of IP address entries End Type
>>
>>Type IP_Array
>>   mBuffer As MIB_IPADDRTABLE
>>   BufferLen As Long
>>End Type
>>
>>Public Declare Sub CopyMemory Lib "kernel32" Alias "RtlMoveMemory"
>>(Destination As Any, Source As Any, ByVal Length As Long) Public 
>>Declare Function GetIpAddrTable Lib "IPHlpApi" (pIPAdrTable As Byte, 
>>pdwSize As Long, ByVal Sort As Long) As Long
>>
>>
>>Public Function ConvertAddressToString(longAddr As Long) As String
>>   Dim myByte(3) As Byte
>>   Dim Cnt As Long
>>   CopyMemory myByte(0), longAddr, 4
>>   For Cnt = 0 To 3
>>       ConvertAddressToString = ConvertAddressToString +
>>CStr(myByte(Cnt)) + "."
>>   Next Cnt
>>   ConvertAddressToString = Left$(ConvertAddressToString,
>>Len(ConvertAddressToString) - 1) End Function
>>
>>Public Function IPAddresses() As Long
>>Dim lngRetVal As Long
>>Dim lngLoop As Long
>>Dim bBytes() As Byte
>>Dim IPList As MIB_IPADDRTABLE
>>
>>   GetIpAddrTable ByVal 0&, lngRetVal, True
>>
>>   If lngRetVal <= 0 Then Exit Function
>>   ReDim bBytes(0 To lngRetVal - 1) As Byte
>>   'retrieve the data
>>   GetIpAddrTable bBytes(0), lngRetVal, False
>>     
>>   'Get the first 4 bytes to get the entry's.. ip installed
>>   CopyMemory IPList.dEntrys, bBytes(0), 4
>>
>>   For lngLoop = 0 To IPList.dEntrys - 1
>>       'Copy whole structure to Listing..
>>       CopyMemory IPList.mIPInfo(lngLoop), bBytes(4 + (lngLoop *
>>Len(IPList.mIPInfo(0)))), Len(IPList.mIPInfo(lngLoop))
>>        Debug.Print "IP address                   : " &
>>ConvertAddressToString(IPList.mIPInfo(lngLoop).dwAddr)
>>        Debug.Print "IP Subnetmask            : " &
>>ConvertAddressToString(IPList.mIPInfo(lngLoop).dwMask)
>>        Debug.Print "BroadCast IP address  : " &
>>ConvertAddressToString(IPList.mIPInfo(lngLoop).dwBCastAddr)
>>        Debug.Print "**************************************"
>>   Next
>>
>>End Function
>>
>>
>>--
>>Stuart
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>    
>>
>
>  
>

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From lytlenj at yahoo.com  Fri Sep 17 05:48:19 2004
From: lytlenj at yahoo.com (Nancy Lytle)
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 03:48:19 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Gmail Invite (D)
In-Reply-To: <8DA8776D2F418E46A2A464AC6CE63050934A@outbaksrv1.outbaktech.com>
Message-ID: <20040917104819.19600.qmail@web53909.mail.yahoo.com>

Sure, I'd love one.

Nancy Lytle
Rockville, MD 

--- Jeff Barrows <Jeff at outbaktech.com> wrote:

> On its way!   Anyone else?
> 
> Jeff Barrows
> MCP, MCAD, MCSD
>  
> Outbak Technologies, LLC
> Racine, WI
> jeff at outbaktech.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Steven W. Erbach [mailto:serbach at new.rr.com] 
> Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 10:22 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Gmail Invite (D)
> 
> Jeff,
> 
> >> Are you looking for a GMail invite? <<
> 
> Well, sure, if ya got one one 'a dem dere tings, eh?
> 
> Steve Erbach
> Neenah, WI
> 
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From cyx5 at cdc.gov  Fri Sep 17 06:19:10 2004
From: cyx5 at cdc.gov (Nicholson, Karen)
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 07:19:10 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Gmail Invite (D)
Message-ID: <A5B5AA20555F594BA7B6BD2048E49E438406E0@m-niosh-5.niosh.cdc.gov>

I will take one.  Thanks

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 6:48 AM
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Subject: RE: [AccessD] Gmail Invite (D)


Sure, I'd love one.

Nancy Lytle
Rockville, MD 

--- Jeff Barrows <Jeff at outbaktech.com> wrote:

> On its way!   Anyone else?
> 
> Jeff Barrows
> MCP, MCAD, MCSD
>  
> Outbak Technologies, LLC
> Racine, WI
> jeff at outbaktech.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Steven W. Erbach [mailto:serbach at new.rr.com] 
> Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 10:22 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Gmail Invite (D)
> 
> Jeff,
> 
> >> Are you looking for a GMail invite? <<
> 
> Well, sure, if ya got one one 'a dem dere tings, eh?
> 
> Steve Erbach
> Neenah, WI
> 
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From bheid at appdevgrp.com  Fri Sep 17 06:56:03 2004
From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid)
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 07:56:03 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Copy tables from/to databases other than the Current db
In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30995ADD@ADGSERVER>
Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA305BB849@ADGSERVER>

Could you not use a make-table query?

Something like:
SELECT sometable1.* INTO sometable2 IN 'D:\Data\DB3.mdb'
	FROM sometable1;

Bobby

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Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 5:53 PM
To: Access List
Subject: [AccessD] Copy tables from/to databases other than the Current db


Using code in an Access 97 application (let's call it DB1), I need to copy
tables from database DB2 to database DB3.  I know how to copy objects from
DB1 to DB3 (using Transferdatabase), but this is stumping me.

More info --- DB1 is the front end of the application; DB2 is the back end
(tables) of the application, and DB3 is a temporary database that I create
"on the fly" (using code in the front end).  I can't copy the tables from
DB1 to DB3 because DB1 only contains the links to tables in DB2.

Hope this isn't too confusing!

Thanks,
Barb Ryan
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From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com  Fri Sep 17 06:50:26 2004
From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark S. (Newport News))
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 07:50:26 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] .TIFF Image of Report Pages
Message-ID: <BA209D7D3A20BE499AB726E4ED7A6DA1FCB73A@nprdex02.nns.com>

Many thanks to you all.

After a little research into how other divisions have handled this creation
of .tiff files from AutoCAD .dwg files, I'm a little disappointed.  I mean
that, just on the hint that we might have to take over this responsibility,
it has only taken 12 hours for you kind folks to provide a multitude of
viable options.  What scares me is that some divisions are actually doing
this manually by scanning a hard copy.

So, in comparison, would I be considered lazy or efficient for wanting a
better way?  ;)


Mark


-----Original Message-----
From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk] 
Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 11:36 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] .TIFF Image of Report Pages


Hi Mark

The "Print To Picture" printer driver:

  http://progrex.narod.ru/ptp.html

can output to PCX, BMP, or PNG files.
Then you can convert to TIFF.

/gustav


> Does anyone have any brilliant ideas on how I could automatically generate
a
> .tiff image for each page in a report?

> Background: Our company stores issued drawings in .tiff format.  In the
> past, drawings have been scanned in manually in a reproduction department.
> Currently, I issue drawings using Access reports.  It has been suggested
> that the .tiff creation MAY fall to the engineering department.

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From Paul.Rogers at SummitMedia.co.uk  Fri Sep 17 07:15:48 2004
From: Paul.Rogers at SummitMedia.co.uk (Paul Rodgers)
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 13:15:48 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Gmail Invite (D)
Message-ID: <EAF3070ACB1AD81182280002A51EF73119222C@s003.wolds.summitmedia.co.uk>

Yes, please!

-----Original Message-----
From: Nancy Lytle [mailto:lytlenj at yahoo.com]
Sent: 17 September 2004 11:48
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Gmail Invite (D)


Sure, I'd love one.

Nancy Lytle
Rockville, MD 

--- Jeff Barrows <Jeff at outbaktech.com> wrote:

> On its way!   Anyone else?
> 
> Jeff Barrows
> MCP, MCAD, MCSD
>  
> Outbak Technologies, LLC
> Racine, WI
> jeff at outbaktech.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Steven W. Erbach [mailto:serbach at new.rr.com] 
> Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 10:22 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Gmail Invite (D)
> 
> Jeff,
> 
> >> Are you looking for a GMail invite? <<
> 
> Well, sure, if ya got one one 'a dem dere tings, eh?
> 
> Steve Erbach
> Neenah, WI
> 
> 
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From carbonnb at sympatico.ca  Fri Sep 17 07:22:06 2004
From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 8:22:06 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Gmail Invite (D)
Message-ID: <20040917122207.ZLCY14661.tomts7-srv.bellnexxia.net@mxmta.bellnexxia.net>

OK folks,

Let's take these me too's off list.

Please and thanks.


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From markamatte at hotmail.com  Fri Sep 17 08:03:47 2004
From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte)
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 13:03:47 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Output Larg Text File
Message-ID: <BAY1-F40wuWqkRse7lS00013b3f@hotmail.com>

John,

lol...I agree...and you're close...its one of those deals where the judge 
says "You will provide every single piece of documentation you have on this 
matter, or any like it".  The way data is stored...is not the way lawyers 
and judges like to see it.  So I wanted to have a single 
document...well...due to time constraints(and business sign-off)...I sent 
them an A97 db with a report built of the 60K records...turned out to be 
around 13k pages.  Hopefully this will appease them.

Thanks,

Mark


P.S...I wonder if your gender reference to the Almighty will stir any 
comments?


>From: "John W. Colby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving'"<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Output Larg Text File
>Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 21:47:08 -0400
>
>LOL.  Who's going to read an 11 THOUSAND page report?  This must be the
>government?  I think you are running into GOD trying to protect her trees.
>;-)
>
>John W. Colby
>www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
>-----Original Message-----
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>Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 8:56 AM
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: [AccessD] Output Larg Text File
>
>
>Hello All,
>
>In A97 or A2k...I have a large report(>60,000 record and >11,000 Pages)...I
>need to save this as a text/rtf/something...everytime I try...I get an 
>"over
>
>flow" error...any suggestions?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Mark
>
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From Developer at UltraDNT.com  Fri Sep 17 08:11:06 2004
From: Developer at UltraDNT.com (Steve Conklin (Developer@UltraDNT))
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 09:11:06 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] External IP Address of Local Machine
In-Reply-To: <414A7A1B.4030704@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <000f01c49cb7$caa92f10$0200a8c0@COA3>

Marty:
Most cool, the third one, going to dynip, did the job.  

The tracert didn't include mine, it just showed the ip's of my provider.
The second method, as written, didn't work.  I assume its because my
router is not using 0.1 ...  Routers cannot be counted on to use
192.168.0.1; some are 0.0, 100.1, 1.1, etc.  (this early in the morning,
I forget what mine is, but I'll try it later.)  Also, are these pages
"industry standard"? All router mfgr's use these (like st_devic.html)?
Anyway, if I used that, I'd need discovery code for the router first.

Steve


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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 1:46 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] External IP Address of Local Machine


I tried a couple of other methods

grabbing the ip entries from this created text file ; sort of slow even 
with only 3 hops
tracert -h 3 www.microsoft.com > testtrac.txt
----------------------------------------
If you are configuring your router thru http methods
"http://192.168.0.1/st_devic.html"
is supposed to give you the ip address
but then you have to clear the cache
use this to clear out IE cached pages for DSL router app. 
 
Private Declare Function DeleteUrlCacheEntry Lib "wininet.dll" Alias 
 
"DeleteUrlCacheEntryA" (ByVal lpszUrlName As String) As Long 
 
DeleteUrlCacheEntry "http://192.168.0.1/st_devic.html" 
 
DeleteUrlCacheEntry "http://192.168.0.1/st_stats.html" 
----------------
http://checkip.dyndns.org/
can only use every 10 minutes otherwise site gets annoyed

Dim objExplorer As Object
Dim objDocument As Object
Dim strComputer As String
Dim objWMIService As Object
Dim colLoggedEvents As Object
Dim objEvent As Object
Dim dtmDate As Variant
Dim strReturn As String

Set objExplorer = CreateObject("InternetExplorer.Application")
'Set objDocument = objExplorer.Document
objExplorer.Navigate "about:blank"
objExplorer.Toolbar = 0
objExplorer.StatusBar = 0
objExplorer.Width = 800
objExplorer.Height = 570
objExplorer.Left = 0
objExplorer.Top = 0
objExplorer.Visible = 1

objExplorer.Navigate "http://checkip.dyndns.org/"
Do While (objExplorer.Busy)
Loop
Dim webtx As String
Dim strHTML As String
'Set objDocument = objExplorer.Document
'objDocument.Open

strHTML = objExplorer.Document.BODY.parentElement.outerHTML
 Debug.Print strHTML
'parse the string here

MsgBox "finished"
Set objExplorer = Nothing
Set objDocument = Nothing

End Sub



Steve Conklin (Developer at UltraDNT) wrote:

>Marty:
>It iterated through about 6 times; most entries were blank, on about 
>the 4th pass I got my DSN information, but it was also only showing the

>LAN IP (192.168.x.x), not the WAN address.
>
>I found an external utility form the page Stuart suggested, it looks 
>like I'll have to Shell that to know the user's external IP.  The 
>Help/About mentions MFC classes, so its making Windows calls that
>*should* be exposed somewhere as an API/DLL, but I haven't figured out 
>how yet.
>
>
>Steve
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
>MartyConnelly
>Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 1:54 PM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] External IP Address of Local Machine
>
>
>I am just curious as to what this WMI code would return working  
>through
>
>a router
>I get something like this without one. I have garbled numbers.
>
>DHCPEnabled: True
>DHCPLeaseExpires: 13/09/2004 5:42:44 AM
>DHCPLeaseObtained: 09/11/2004 5:42:50 AM
>DHCPServer: 64.58.156.40
>DNSDomain: gv.homecable.net
>DNSHostName: MyComputer
>DomainDNSRegistrationEnabled:
>IPAddress: 24.344.56.566
>IPAddresslen: 13
>IPConnectionMetric: 30
>IPEnabled: True
>MACAddress: 00:3B:27:43:6A:D1
>MTU:
>
>
>Sub testnicconfigS()
>'set reference to WMI for WinXP and 2000
>'The Win32_NetworkAdapterConfiguration WMI class represents 'the 
>attributes and behaviors of a network adapter. 'This class has been 
>extended to include extra properties and methods 'that support the 
>management of the TCP/IP and Internetworking Packet Exchange
>(IPX) 'protocols (and are independent of the network adapter). Dim 
>strComputer As String Dim objWMIService As Object Dim colitems As 
>Object Dim objitem As Object On Error Resume Next 'there maybe multiple

>Nic entries that are empty so skip them
>
>strComputer = "." 'default "." specifies local machine name Set 
>objWMIService = GetObject("winmgmts:\\" & strComputer & "\root\cimv2") 
>Set colitems = objWMIService.ExecQuery("Select * from 
>Win32_NetworkAdapterConfiguration", , 48)
>
>For Each objitem In colitems
>
>    Debug.Print "DHCPEnabled: " & objitem.DHCPEnabled
>    Debug.Print "DHCPLeaseExpires: " & WMIDateStringToDate
>(objitem.DHCPLeaseExpires)
>    Debug.Print "DHCPLeaseObtained: " & WMIDateStringToDate
>(objitem.DHCPLeaseObtained)
>    Debug.Print "DHCPServer: " & objitem.DHCPServer
>    Debug.Print "DNSDomain: " & objitem.DNSDomain
>
>    Debug.Print "DNSHostName: " & objitem.DNSHostName
>
>    Debug.Print "DomainDNSRegistrationEnabled: " & 
>objitem.DomainDNSRegistrationEnabled
>
>    Debug.Print "IPAddress: " & objitem.IPAddress(0)
>       'this is an array like other undocumented entries
>       'you will have to find by trial and error
>       'although there is an isarray property somewhere
>       Debug.Print "IPAddresslen: " & Len(objitem.IPAddress(0))
>    Debug.Print "IPConnectionMetric: " & objitem.IPConnectionMetric
>    Debug.Print "IPEnabled: " & objitem.IPEnabled
>    Debug.Print "MACAddress: " & objitem.MACAddress
>    Debug.Print "MTU: " & objitem.MTU
>
>Next
>End Sub
>Function WMIDateStringToDate(dtmInstallDate) As String 'WMI has an odd 
>date format WMIDateStringToDate = CDate(Mid(dtmInstallDate, 5, 2) & "/"

>& _ Mid(dtmInstallDate, 7, 2) & "/" & Left(dtmInstallDate, 4) _ & " " &

>Mid(dtmInstallDate, 9, 2) & ":" & _ Mid(dtmInstallDate, 11, 2) & ":" & 
>Mid(dtmInstallDate, _ 13, 2)) End Function
>
>
>Erwin Craps - IT Helps wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Shields up is a test a webserver test, but just at the startpage 
>>(before the test) you can see your dns name and ip address
>>
>>https://www.grc.com/x/ne.dll?bh0bkyd2
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve 
>>Conklin
>>(Developer at UltraDNT)
>>Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 4:17 PM
>>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>>Subject: RE: [AccessD] External IP Address of Local Machine
>>
>>Thanks, Stuart.
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart 
>>McLachlan
>>Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 7:48 PM
>>To: Access Developers discussion and problemsolving
>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] External IP Address of Local Machine
>>
>>
>>On 15 Sep 2004 at 18:55, Steve Conklin (Developer at UltraDNT) wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>>    
>>
>>>I am using WDSI, WinInet and various API's to get 2 Access
>>>applications to send data to each other over FTP.  It is working
well,
>>>   
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>> 
>>
>>    
>>
>>>but I want the server to be secure, that is to only allow 
>>>logins/files
>>>   
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>> 
>>
>>    
>>
>>>to come from specific IP's. This is ok when I am sending, because I
>>>know my IP, and I tell the client to allow my IP.  When I (hopefully)

>>>sell a copy to the client's client, how can they easily determine
>>>   
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>their IP?
>> 
>>
>>    
>>
>>>I have looked at the Winsock API and can get remote IP's via Host
>>>   
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>Name.
>> 
>>
>>    
>>
>>>However, when I want to get the IP of the local PC, it returns the
>>>192.168.x.x address; how can I get the external IP that the FTP
server
>>>   
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>> 
>>
>>    
>>
>>>needs to know through VB/API?
>>>
>>>   
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>If you are working through a router, you can't since only the router 
>>knows
>>the external address..   The only way would be to bounce an HTML
>>    
>>
>request
>  
>
>>of
>>an external website and read the return data. There a numbder of
>>freeware tools available on the web that do just that. See 
>>http://www.snapfiles.com/freeware/network/fwip.html for examples
>>
>>
>>If you're machine is directly connected to the Internet, you can 
>>iterate
>>
>>through it's IP adddresses.
>>
>>Here's a module to do it (watch for linewrap)
>>
>>Option Compare Database
>>Option Explicit
>>
>>Const MAX_IP = 5   'To make a buffer... i dont think you have more
than
>>5 ip on your pc..
>>
>>Type IPINFO
>>    dwAddr As Long   ' IP address
>>   dwIndex As Long '  interface index
>>   dwMask As Long ' subnet mask
>>   dwBCastAddr As Long ' broadcast address
>>   dwReasmSize  As Long ' assembly size
>>   unused1 As Integer ' not currently used
>>   unused2 As Integer '; not currently used End Type
>>
>>Type MIB_IPADDRTABLE
>>   dEntrys As Long   'number of entries in the table
>>   mIPInfo(MAX_IP) As IPINFO  'array of IP address entries End Type
>>
>>Type IP_Array
>>   mBuffer As MIB_IPADDRTABLE
>>   BufferLen As Long
>>End Type
>>
>>Public Declare Sub CopyMemory Lib "kernel32" Alias "RtlMoveMemory" 
>>(Destination As Any, Source As Any, ByVal Length As Long) Public 
>>Declare Function GetIpAddrTable Lib "IPHlpApi" (pIPAdrTable As Byte, 
>>pdwSize As Long, ByVal Sort As Long) As Long
>>
>>
>>Public Function ConvertAddressToString(longAddr As Long) As String
>>   Dim myByte(3) As Byte
>>   Dim Cnt As Long
>>   CopyMemory myByte(0), longAddr, 4
>>   For Cnt = 0 To 3
>>       ConvertAddressToString = ConvertAddressToString +
>>CStr(myByte(Cnt)) + "."
>>   Next Cnt
>>   ConvertAddressToString = Left$(ConvertAddressToString,
>>Len(ConvertAddressToString) - 1) End Function
>>
>>Public Function IPAddresses() As Long
>>Dim lngRetVal As Long
>>Dim lngLoop As Long
>>Dim bBytes() As Byte
>>Dim IPList As MIB_IPADDRTABLE
>>
>>   GetIpAddrTable ByVal 0&, lngRetVal, True
>>
>>   If lngRetVal <= 0 Then Exit Function
>>   ReDim bBytes(0 To lngRetVal - 1) As Byte
>>   'retrieve the data
>>   GetIpAddrTable bBytes(0), lngRetVal, False
>>     
>>   'Get the first 4 bytes to get the entry's.. ip installed
>>   CopyMemory IPList.dEntrys, bBytes(0), 4
>>
>>   For lngLoop = 0 To IPList.dEntrys - 1
>>       'Copy whole structure to Listing..
>>       CopyMemory IPList.mIPInfo(lngLoop), bBytes(4 + (lngLoop * 
>>Len(IPList.mIPInfo(0)))), Len(IPList.mIPInfo(lngLoop))
>>        Debug.Print "IP address                   : " &
>>ConvertAddressToString(IPList.mIPInfo(lngLoop).dwAddr)
>>        Debug.Print "IP Subnetmask            : " &
>>ConvertAddressToString(IPList.mIPInfo(lngLoop).dwMask)
>>        Debug.Print "BroadCast IP address  : " &
>>ConvertAddressToString(IPList.mIPInfo(lngLoop).dwBCastAddr)
>>        Debug.Print "**************************************"
>>   Next
>>
>>End Function
>>
>>
>>--
>>Stuart
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>    
>>
>
>  
>

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri Sep 17 10:37:22 2004
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 08:37:22 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312A68@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Sure, but we weren't using VB, we were using Access.  We skipped VB6
entirely and we avoided installing anything but the Access runtime and
our app on client machines, so dlls were out.

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Jim DeMarco [mailto:Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org] 
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 12:18 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net


FWIW and not to take anything away from .NET but you *can* use the same
data access and biz rules code in VB and ASP apps via compliled code
(aka dlls).  One big plus for .NET in this arena is that a lot of the
display code is either the same or similar between ASP.NET apps and
WinForms apps (just look at the code to bind your data to a web grid or
windows data grid. It's virtually the same).

Jim DeMarco

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 2:25 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net


It's catching on in *our* trenches!  I like working with it and our next
major versions are going to be all VB.Net in part because it allows us
to do things the clients want but that would have been difficult to
impossible in Access.  And it allows us to build Web-based interfaces
for clients who want them without having to write different code for the
Windows-based and web-based interfaces.  I think that's worth the
learning curve.

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Dettman [mailto:jimdettman at earthlink.net] 
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 10:56 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net


Brett,

<<When evaluating dev tools for an upcoming project, it became apparent
to me that the new OO capabilities of .NET would be worth the learning
curve.>>

  I was in the same place several years ago.  .Net was brand new and not
much was around. I also wanted to get a standalone .EXE, get away from
reference headaches with Access, etc.  So I picked up VFP (Visual
FoxPro). I must say I was disappointed at first because so many people I
spoke with raved about it.  While it had very strong database and OO
capabilities, some of it was just plain junk.  That's changed quite a
bit as Microsoft has continued to add to the product.  It has released
two major versions since then with a third on the way.  It too had a
steep learning curve.

<<Judging by the developer journals and 3rd party tool developers, I
wouldn't say that it has been "poorly received".  It's getting tough to
find VB6 articles in print or online.>>

  I said that in light of the fact that .Net has been around for several
years now and yet very few shops use it or are just getting into using
it. Even Microsoft has said publicly that the response has been poor.
They had to back off the whole .Net centric campaign and have refocused
once again. And while that may have born some fruit, it seems for the
most part that .Net is still not main stream.

<<I've already gotten into the "which is better" war on this list, so
I'll save it this time.  However, after a week long boot camp course, I
firmly believe that it's the best tool for the job, regardless of how
many other developers agree.>>

  Been there done that<g> and this isn't about that.  I was mainly
curious if .Net was catching on down in the trenches or still ho-hum.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Brett Barabash
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 9:41 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net


#2.
When evaluating dev tools for an upcoming project, it became apparent to
me that the new OO capabilities of .NET would be worth the learning
curve.

Judging by the developer journals and 3rd party tool developers, I
wouldn't say that it has been "poorly received".  It's getting tough to
find VB6 articles in print or online.

I've already gotten into the "which is better" war on this list, so I'll
save it this time.  However, after a week long boot camp course, I
firmly believe that it's the best tool for the job, regardless of how
many other developers agree.


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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 7:45 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net


Richard,

  I think rather then the worrying about the front end, you should be
considering the BE and the technology behind it.  However without
knowing a lot more about your app, it's hard to say if that's critical
or not.  Also, you didn't mention why you were considering moving from
developing the FE in Access itself.

  As for VB.Net, I've been ignoring it for the most part for some of the
same reasons you outline (distribution) plus the fact that it has a
large learning curve.  I can't see spending the time on that when I
already have tools at my disposal that do the job fine. And I'm not the
only one. Overall it seems that .Net has been poorly received by the
development community.  Most developers I know are happy (for the most
part) with what they already have/know.  Of course a lot depends on the
types of apps you develop and the end users you target.  I think most of
us on this list are on the smaller end of the scale developing typical
business type apps for 50 concurrent users or less.

  How about a quick un-scientific poll?

1. Do you currently develop in .Net (you know it and use it on a regular
basis)
2. Are you learning .Net for a project (your just starting out with it
and have done a small project or two). 3. Don't know anything about it,
but are interested in it. 4. Could care less.

  I'm firmly at #4 for the moment.

Jim Dettman
(315) 699-3443
jimdettman at earthlink.net

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Griffiths,
Richard
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 5:20 AM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net


Hi Group

After advice and thoughts.  I have a piece of commercial software
(library s/ware for schools) written with A97 FE and BE.  I am about to
rewrite and can't decide over VB6 FE/A2K(DAO) BE or VB.net FE / A2K
BE.(reason for change to VB as opposed to MS Access is that the VB
footprint will be smaller 1-2mb [easier to email/download and manage
than my 12-13 mb Access FE]).

On one hand the VB6 route will be quicker to develop (no learning curve)
and I think to deploy. On the other hand VB.Net is the future (most
likely!!)(and learning and developing in this will be more interesting
and will spur me on) but I am concerned (mainly) about deployment as my
users are not very IT literate and their pc's (at this time) are not
up-to-date (some W95 many W98 32-64mb ram - I know .net is no go on
W95).  So deployment of .net requires not only the framework but they
need minimal Data Access 2.7, IE 5.01, Windows installer etc also
installed.  But 6-12 months down the line I don't want to be in the
posistion that having used VB6 to then consider rewriting in Vb.net.

What I can't gauge here is how significant these issues are (and any
other issues).  So what I am hoping to get here is how you would
approach this conundrum - tried and tested VB6 or new VB.net?

Thanks

Richard


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From donald.a.Mcgillivray at mail.sprint.com  Fri Sep 17 11:05:19 2004
From: donald.a.Mcgillivray at mail.sprint.com (Mcgillivray, Donald [ITS])
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 11:05:19 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Urgent help please - Can't open html page in
	Frontpagefrom Access form
Message-ID: <988E2AC88CCB54459286C4077DB662F50155B2D8@PDAWB03C.ad.sprint.com>

Firstly, I have only passing familiarity with Front Page and web stuff -
DEFINITELY no kind of expert!  But since you seem to be in a similar
situation, maybe my experience will prove useful.

In FP 98 (newer versions may be different) the html editor is a separate
application that can be run independently from the FP web designer
interface.  Since my ISP doesn't support FP extensions at my
subscription level, I just use the FP editor (not the web designer) to
create pages (VERY simple ones, to be sure) and upload them via FTP to
my web space.  Basically, the FP html editor allows you to open, edit
and save ANY html doc to ANY place you please - doesn't have to be a
part of a "Front Page web" at all.  Things could get a little tricky if
the html doc contains hyperlinks to other pages within the web site - in
my situation I mimic the directory structure of my web space on my PC,
and make any hyperlinks relative to the page location - and I have no
idea what happens if you just slip a page into a FP web thru the "back
door" (does the FP web automatically 'know' the new page is there, or do
you have to use the web designer to make it available?) 

All this having been said, I don't know whether the FP html editor (as
distinct from the web designer) has an exposed object model that you can
automate from your VBA code (I'm at work and my FP is installed at home)
but if it does, you ought to be able to open and work a document
independent of any web specs and then move it to the web via a separate
process when the user is finished.

Hope this helps!

Don McGillivray



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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 6:13 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Urgent help please - Can't open html page in
Frontpagefrom Access form


I have wasted ages on this so am now begging assistance........

I have an html file (empty at present - later it will have some basic
text)

I need to my code to 
- Make a copy of the template.html file (I can do that) and 
- give it a new name, eg. Template_BHP_140904.html (I can do that)
- Open the html file just created in Frontpage for users to modify the
document (That's where I'm stuck....)

My problem is a total lack of knowledge of files vs. webs and therefore
the syntax I need. Questions: - 

- Do I have to have a 'web' or 'web folder' - can't I just have an html
file and open it?

- If I can, what is the alternative syntax to .webs.open - eg. I am
looking for a .pages.open property or .files.open ?

Here's my code so far - when I run it I get an error  - There is no web
named "/E:/SDS/Clients/CPP/WebLetters/Template.html"


------------------------------------------------------------------------
--------

Private Sub CmdOpenFP_Click()

Dim oFPweb As FrontPage.Web
Dim oFP As FrontPage.Application
Dim FrontPageRunning As Boolean

'Determine whether FrontPage is alredy open or not
FrontPageRunning = IsFrontPageRunning()

If Not FrontPageRunning Then
    MsgBox ("Frontpage is Closed")
    Set oFP = CreateObject("Frontpage.Application")
Else
    MsgBox ("Frontpage is already open")
    Set oFP = GetObject(, "Frontpage.Application")
End If

'add code here later to make a copy of my file

'open file in front page------------------------------------------------
oFP.Webs.Open ("E:\Sds\Clients\CPP\Webletters\template.html")
'STUCK HERE

 ' Show FrontPage
 oFPweb.Activate
 'Set oFP = Nothing

End Sub

------------------------------------------------------------------------
--------

TIA


Kath Pelletti
Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd.
Ph: 9505-6714
Fax: 9505-6430
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From artful at rogers.com  Fri Sep 17 11:17:20 2004
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 12:17:20 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] ADP
In-Reply-To: <844F188BB505654DBCF15C4B24106C1008DC7B@headcon.headit.nl>
Message-ID: <02b401c49cd1$cedd6410$6501a8c0@rock>

The question as asked is a little bit ambiguous. You could mean, when
creating the ADP -- in that case the wizard lets you pick the database.
Or you could mean that you want the user to be able to switch from one
version of the database to another, on the fly. In this case, create a
reference to the SQL-DMO library, which contains a bunch of useful
objects for this sort of thing. I have code in an app I did a while back
that lists the servers available in a listbox, then the databases of the
selected server in another listbox, and lets the user connect to the
selected database, basically by creating a new connection object. This
route risks ungracefulness, however, since in theory the user could
select a completely inappropriate database and have your pretty Access
ADP application blow up unmercifully. We got around this by naming the
parallel databases using a naming scheme, so then we could eliminate any
irrelvant databases before populating the listbox.

Arthur

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Carlo van der
Zon (Access IT Training)
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 8:59 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] ADP


Hi Group,

Does anybody know how to choose de SQL database in a ADP Runtime?

Thanks
Carlo

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From artful at rogers.com  Fri Sep 17 11:45:31 2004
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 12:45:31 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] ADP
In-Reply-To: <844F188BB505654DBCF15C4B24106C100F9AEE@headcon.headit.nl>
Message-ID: <02ca01c49cd5$bf39f470$6501a8c0@rock>

See my earlier reply about using SQL-DMO. This is exactly why I took
that route. I too needed to ship a run-time.

Arthur

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Carlo van der
Zon (Access IT Training)
Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 11:13 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] ADP


Ok, but this is not working in runtime.  


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Verzonden: woensdag 15 september 2004 17:30
Aan: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Onderwerp: Re: [AccessD] ADP

File |Connection, then select the full connection settings



From clh at christopherhawkins.com  Fri Sep 17 13:05:35 2004
From: clh at christopherhawkins.com (Christopher Hawkins)
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 12:05:35 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Connecting to SQL from Access w/a single login?
Message-ID: <191490-2200495171853536@christopherhawkins.com>

This is driving me nuts.  I know I did this a few years ago, but
right now I'm totally stumped.

A client of mine wrote himself an Access app for use around his
office.  Eventually the back-end swelled up to 500MB and problems
ensued, so they decided to go to SQL Server.  He upsized the database
himself and then called me in to help get the Access front-end
working against SQL Server.

Here's my current issue; I want all the Access clients to use the
same SQL Server login rather than having a unique SQL Server login
for each domain account.

I went ahead and created an AppUser login and gave it the appropriate
permissions to the application database.  I have the AppUser login
and password set in the ODBC DSN.  But whenever a user tries to
connect, an error message appears stating that his domain login was
not recognized by the SQL Server.  It's not even paying attention to
the AppUser info.

I'm surfing BOL right now, but haven't yet figured out what I missed.
And I know I'm missing something.

Any suggestions?
Respectfully,

Christopher Hawkins
Software Developer
(559) 687-7591
http://www.christopherhawkins.com




From dwilliams_78704 at yahoo.com  Fri Sep 17 13:17:07 2004
From: dwilliams_78704 at yahoo.com (dan williams)
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 11:17:07 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Gmail Invite (D)
In-Reply-To: <8DA8776D2F418E46A2A464AC6CE63050934A@outbaksrv1.outbaktech.com>
Message-ID: <20040917181707.78818.qmail@web50804.mail.yahoo.com>

sure would like one please
--- Jeff Barrows <Jeff at outbaktech.com> wrote:

> On its way!   Anyone else?
> 
> Jeff Barrows
> MCP, MCAD, MCSD
>  
> Outbak Technologies, LLC
> Racine, WI
> jeff at outbaktech.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Steven W. Erbach [mailto:serbach at new.rr.com] 
> Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 10:22 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Gmail Invite (D)
> 
> Jeff,
> 
> >> Are you looking for a GMail invite? <<
> 
> Well, sure, if ya got one one 'a dem dere tings, eh?
> 
> Steve Erbach
> Neenah, WI
> 
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From mikedorism at adelphia.net  Fri Sep 17 13:23:01 2004
From: mikedorism at adelphia.net (Mike & Doris Manning)
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 14:23:01 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Connecting to SQL from Access w/a single login?
In-Reply-To: <191490-2200495171853536@christopherhawkins.com>
Message-ID: <000001c49ce3$5e1f10e0$2f08a845@hargrove.internal>

Easiest way is to use your Global Domain master account and use Windows NT
authentication to set up a trusted connection to the server.

Doris Manning
Database Administrator
Hargrove Inc.
www.hargroveinc.com


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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Christopher
Hawkins
Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 2:06 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Connecting to SQL from Access w/a single login?


This is driving me nuts.  I know I did this a few years ago, but right now
I'm totally stumped.

A client of mine wrote himself an Access app for use around his office.
Eventually the back-end swelled up to 500MB and problems ensued, so they
decided to go to SQL Server.  He upsized the database himself and then
called me in to help get the Access front-end working against SQL Server.

Here's my current issue; I want all the Access clients to use the same SQL
Server login rather than having a unique SQL Server login for each domain
account.

I went ahead and created an AppUser login and gave it the appropriate
permissions to the application database.  I have the AppUser login and
password set in the ODBC DSN.  But whenever a user tries to connect, an
error message appears stating that his domain login was not recognized by
the SQL Server.  It's not even paying attention to the AppUser info.

I'm surfing BOL right now, but haven't yet figured out what I missed. And I
know I'm missing something.

Any suggestions?
Respectfully,

Christopher Hawkins
Software Developer
(559) 687-7591
http://www.christopherhawkins.com


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From clh at christopherhawkins.com  Fri Sep 17 13:34:16 2004
From: clh at christopherhawkins.com (Christopher Hawkins)
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 12:34:16 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Connecting to SQL from Access w/a single login?
Message-ID: <73990-220049517183416589@christopherhawkins.com>

Can you elaborate?



---- Original Message ----
From: mikedorism at adelphia.net
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com, 
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Connecting to SQL from Access w/a single login?
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 14:23:01 -0400

>Easiest way is to use your Global Domain master account and use 
>Windows NT
>authentication to set up a trusted connection to the server.
>
>Doris Manning
>Database Administrator
>Hargrove Inc.
>www.hargroveinc.com
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
>Christopher
>Hawkins
>Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 2:06 PM
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: [AccessD] Connecting to SQL from Access w/a single login?
>
>
>This is driving me nuts.  I know I did this a few years ago, but 
>right now
>I'm totally stumped.
>
>A client of mine wrote himself an Access app for use around his 
>office.
>Eventually the back-end swelled up to 500MB and problems ensued, so 
>they
>decided to go to SQL Server.  He upsized the database himself and 
>then
>called me in to help get the Access front-end working against SQL 
>Server.
>
>Here's my current issue; I want all the Access clients to use the 
>same SQL
>Server login rather than having a unique SQL Server login for each 
>domain
>account.
>
>I went ahead and created an AppUser login and gave it the appropriate
>permissions to the application database.  I have the AppUser login 
>and
>password set in the ODBC DSN.  But whenever a user tries to connect, 
>an
>error message appears stating that his domain login was not 
>recognized by
>the SQL Server.  It's not even paying attention to the AppUser info.
>
>I'm surfing BOL right now, but haven't yet figured out what I 
>missed. And I
>know I'm missing something.
>
>Any suggestions?
>Respectfully,
>
>Christopher Hawkins
>Software Developer
>(559) 687-7591
>http://www.christopherhawkins.com
>
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From ebarro at afsweb.com  Fri Sep 17 13:40:08 2004
From: ebarro at afsweb.com (Eric Barro)
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 11:40:08 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Connecting to SQL from Access w/a single login?
In-Reply-To: <191490-2200495171853536@christopherhawkins.com>
Message-ID: <DPEGIFJOAFKLEDNNDGHCIEKFHCAA.ebarro@afsweb.com>

Check SQL server authentication if it is Windows based or SQL based.

User management in SQL server goes like this...

1. Create the login first under the Security section
2. Create privileges for the login
3. Create the user and associate it with a login

---
Eric Barro
Senior Systems Analyst
Advanced Field Services
(208) 772-7060
http://www.afsweb.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Christopher
Hawkins
Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 11:06 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Connecting to SQL from Access w/a single login?


This is driving me nuts.  I know I did this a few years ago, but
right now I'm totally stumped.

A client of mine wrote himself an Access app for use around his
office.  Eventually the back-end swelled up to 500MB and problems
ensued, so they decided to go to SQL Server.  He upsized the database
himself and then called me in to help get the Access front-end
working against SQL Server.

Here's my current issue; I want all the Access clients to use the
same SQL Server login rather than having a unique SQL Server login
for each domain account.

I went ahead and created an AppUser login and gave it the appropriate
permissions to the application database.  I have the AppUser login
and password set in the ODBC DSN.  But whenever a user tries to
connect, an error message appears stating that his domain login was
not recognized by the SQL Server.  It's not even paying attention to
the AppUser info.

I'm surfing BOL right now, but haven't yet figured out what I missed.
And I know I'm missing something.

Any suggestions?
Respectfully,

Christopher Hawkins
Software Developer
(559) 687-7591
http://www.christopherhawkins.com


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From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Sep 17 13:49:12 2004
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence (AccessD))
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 11:49:12 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Connecting to SQL from Access w/a single login?
In-Reply-To: <191490-2200495171853536@christopherhawkins.com>
Message-ID: <FJEJLIPOMCGJALMGLLLIEENMCGAA.accessd@shaw.ca>

Hi Christopher:

The SQL server has it's own way of dealing with access rights. They are
through an internal 'sa' type account or it is through 'NT authentication'.

Traditionally, I only use the 'sa' accounts as a backdoor for an
administrator. Your best option would be to go with 'NT authentication'.

The setup is fairly easy, if network has a domain. Go to the main server,
login as an administrator, 'right-click' MyComputer (assuming a Windows2000
system), select the 'Manage' option, choose 'Local Users and Groups' then:
One; create a login group called something like 'sqlusers'.
Two; create or add individual login to the group.

Once all the appropriate users have been added to this group the access the
SQL Enterprise manager. 'EM'.
One; Expand the current SQL server, the 'Security' directory and the 'click'
on the logins icon.
Two; 'right mouse click', select 'New login' and, on the General tab, from
the popdown list select your 'sqlusers' group. Make sure that the
'Authentication' radio button is selected and the current domain/server is
visible.
Three; Go back to the 'Database' and 'MyDatabase' directory and subdirectory
and 'right mouse click' the users icon.
Four; Select 'New database user' and select the new group you have just
added from the popdown menu.

There is some clean up and defining to do but you have basically defined
access rights. Now all you do is attempt a connection at the point where the
user accesses the FE Access DB and if the connection fails, close and exit
the program.  (If you need a sample of code that will connect to your server
just request it.)

You will find this way very clean, secure and not intrusive to the users.
This way is the only way I now ever setup user accounts.

HTH
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Christopher
Hawkins
Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 11:06 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Connecting to SQL from Access w/a single login?


This is driving me nuts.  I know I did this a few years ago, but
right now I'm totally stumped.

A client of mine wrote himself an Access app for use around his
office.  Eventually the back-end swelled up to 500MB and problems
ensued, so they decided to go to SQL Server.  He upsized the database
himself and then called me in to help get the Access front-end
working against SQL Server.

Here's my current issue; I want all the Access clients to use the
same SQL Server login rather than having a unique SQL Server login
for each domain account.

I went ahead and created an AppUser login and gave it the appropriate
permissions to the application database.  I have the AppUser login
and password set in the ODBC DSN.  But whenever a user tries to
connect, an error message appears stating that his domain login was
not recognized by the SQL Server.  It's not even paying attention to
the AppUser info.

I'm surfing BOL right now, but haven't yet figured out what I missed.
And I know I'm missing something.

Any suggestions?
Respectfully,

Christopher Hawkins
Software Developer
(559) 687-7591
http://www.christopherhawkins.com


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From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Fri Sep 17 13:53:05 2004
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 19:53:05 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Connecting to SQL from Access w/a single login?
References: <DPEGIFJOAFKLEDNNDGHCIEKFHCAA.ebarro@afsweb.com>
Message-ID: <000801c49ce7$9183d110$0100a8c0@Martin>

You could also look at Application Roles where your app as opposed to the 
individual users are authenicated.

Martin



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Eric Barro" <ebarro at afsweb.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 7:40 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Connecting to SQL from Access w/a single login?


> Check SQL server authentication if it is Windows based or SQL based.
>
> User management in SQL server goes like this...
>
> 1. Create the login first under the Security section
> 2. Create privileges for the login
> 3. Create the user and associate it with a login
>
> ---
> Eric Barro
> Senior Systems Analyst
> Advanced Field Services
> (208) 772-7060
> http://www.afsweb.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Christopher
> Hawkins
> Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 11:06 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Connecting to SQL from Access w/a single login?
>
>
> This is driving me nuts.  I know I did this a few years ago, but
> right now I'm totally stumped.
>
> A client of mine wrote himself an Access app for use around his
> office.  Eventually the back-end swelled up to 500MB and problems
> ensued, so they decided to go to SQL Server.  He upsized the database
> himself and then called me in to help get the Access front-end
> working against SQL Server.
>
> Here's my current issue; I want all the Access clients to use the
> same SQL Server login rather than having a unique SQL Server login
> for each domain account.
>
> I went ahead and created an AppUser login and gave it the appropriate
> permissions to the application database.  I have the AppUser login
> and password set in the ODBC DSN.  But whenever a user tries to
> connect, an error message appears stating that his domain login was
> not recognized by the SQL Server.  It's not even paying attention to
> the AppUser info.
>
> I'm surfing BOL right now, but haven't yet figured out what I missed.
> And I know I'm missing something.
>
> Any suggestions?
> Respectfully,
>
> Christopher Hawkins
> Software Developer
> (559) 687-7591
> http://www.christopherhawkins.com
>
>
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From BBarabash at TappeConstruction.com  Fri Sep 17 14:29:46 2004
From: BBarabash at TappeConstruction.com (Brett Barabash)
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 14:29:46 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Connecting to SQL from Access w/a single login?
Message-ID: <100F91B31300334B89EC531C9DCB0865065955@tccexch01.tappeconstruction.net>

To all who use NT authentication:
Do you (or your network admins) have any concerns about end users
potentially linking to the raw data in other apps?

For example, a savvy power user could easily setup an ODBC connection in
Excel/MS Query and directly query the table data.  If the database
relies on NT authentication, and the table is available to them, they
can link to the data directly.

I found this to be problemattic, since I don't really want my users
bypassing the business rules and manually generating their own reports
with sensitive data.

Christopher:
I had this problem a while back using SQL Server authentication on an
Access 2000 MDB file.  The problem is that the Access attach tables
dialog doesn't save the password info.  I was able to get around it by
writing the following DAO routine (make sure you have a DAO reference
set in your project).  This routine will loop through all of your
attached tables, and relink them using the specified UserID and
Password.

Public Sub FixAttachments(ByVal strServer As String, ByVal strUID As
String, ByVal strPWD As String)

    Dim db As DAO.Database
    Dim rs As DAO.Recordset
    Dim tdf As DAO.TableDef
    Dim strSQL As String
    
    Set db = DBEngine.Workspaces(0).Databases(0)
    strSQL = "SELECT MSysObjects.Name, " & _
        "MSysObjects.ForeignName, " & _
        "MSysObjects.Connect " & _
        "FROM MSysObjects " & _
        "WHERE MSysObjects.Type=4 " & _
        "ORDER BY MSysObjects.Name;"
    Set rs = db.OpenRecordset(strSQL, dbOpenSnapshot)
    
    db.TableDefs.Refresh
    
    Do Until rs.EOF
        Debug.Print rs!Name
        Set tdf = db.CreateTableDef(rs!Name)
        
        tdf.Connect = "ODBC;" & _
            ExtractArg(rs!Connect, "DRIVER") & ";" & _
            "SERVER=" & strServer & ";" & _
            ExtractArg(rs!Connect, "DATABASE") & ";" & _
            "UID=" & strUID & ";" & _
            "PWD=" & strPWD
            
        tdf.Attributes = dbAttachSavePWD
        tdf.SourceTableName = rs!ForeignName
        db.TableDefs.Delete rs!Name
        db.TableDefs.Append tdf
        
        rs.MoveNext
    Loop
    
    db.TableDefs.Refresh
    rs.Close

End Sub

Public Function ExtractArg(ByVal strIn As String, ByVal strName As
String) As String

    Dim lngPos As Long
    
    strIn = strIn & ";"
    lngPos = InStr(strIn, strName & "=")
    
    If lngPos > 0 Then
        ExtractArg = Mid$(strIn, lngPos, InStr(lngPos, strIn, ";") -
lngPos)
    End If

End Function


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
(AccessD)
Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 1:49 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Connecting to SQL from Access w/a single login?


Hi Christopher:

The SQL server has it's own way of dealing with access rights. They are
through an internal 'sa' type account or it is through 'NT
authentication'.

Traditionally, I only use the 'sa' accounts as a backdoor for an
administrator. Your best option would be to go with 'NT authentication'.

The setup is fairly easy, if network has a domain. Go to the main
server, login as an administrator, 'right-click' MyComputer (assuming a
Windows2000 system), select the 'Manage' option, choose 'Local Users and
Groups' then:
One; create a login group called something like 'sqlusers'.
Two; create or add individual login to the group.

Once all the appropriate users have been added to this group the access
the SQL Enterprise manager. 'EM'.
One; Expand the current SQL server, the 'Security' directory and the
'click'
on the logins icon.
Two; 'right mouse click', select 'New login' and, on the General tab,
from the popdown list select your 'sqlusers' group. Make sure that the
'Authentication' radio button is selected and the current domain/server
is visible.
Three; Go back to the 'Database' and 'MyDatabase' directory and
subdirectory and 'right mouse click' the users icon.
Four; Select 'New database user' and select the new group you have just
added from the popdown menu.

There is some clean up and defining to do but you have basically defined
access rights. Now all you do is attempt a connection at the point where
the user accesses the FE Access DB and if the connection fails, close
and exit the program.  (If you need a sample of code that will connect
to your server just request it.)

You will find this way very clean, secure and not intrusive to the
users.
This way is the only way I now ever setup user accounts.

HTH
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Christopher
Hawkins
Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 11:06 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Connecting to SQL from Access w/a single login?


This is driving me nuts.  I know I did this a few years ago, but right
now I'm totally stumped.

A client of mine wrote himself an Access app for use around his office.
Eventually the back-end swelled up to 500MB and problems ensued, so they
decided to go to SQL Server.  He upsized the database himself and then
called me in to help get the Access front-end working against SQL
Server.

Here's my current issue; I want all the Access clients to use the same
SQL Server login rather than having a unique SQL Server login for each
domain account.

I went ahead and created an AppUser login and gave it the appropriate
permissions to the application database.  I have the AppUser login and
password set in the ODBC DSN.  But whenever a user tries to connect, an
error message appears stating that his domain login was not recognized
by the SQL Server.  It's not even paying attention to the AppUser info.

I'm surfing BOL right now, but haven't yet figured out what I missed.
And I know I'm missing something.

Any suggestions?
Respectfully,

Christopher Hawkins
Software Developer
(559) 687-7591
http://www.christopherhawkins.com


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From mikedorism at adelphia.net  Fri Sep 17 14:47:42 2004
From: mikedorism at adelphia.net (Mike & Doris Manning)
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 15:47:42 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Connecting to SQL from Access w/a single login?
In-Reply-To: <100F91B31300334B89EC531C9DCB0865065955@tccexch01.tappeconstruction.net>
Message-ID: <000001c49cef$3296d8c0$2f08a845@hargrove.internal>

I don't because we use an ADP and 95% of our users have Office Standard/

Doris Manning
Database Administrator
Hargrove Inc.
www.hargroveinc.com


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brett Barabash
Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 3:30 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Connecting to SQL from Access w/a single login?


To all who use NT authentication:
Do you (or your network admins) have any concerns about end users
potentially linking to the raw data in other apps?

For example, a savvy power user could easily setup an ODBC connection in
Excel/MS Query and directly query the table data.  If the database relies on
NT authentication, and the table is available to them, they can link to the
data directly.

I found this to be problemattic, since I don't really want my users
bypassing the business rules and manually generating their own reports with
sensitive data.

Christopher:
I had this problem a while back using SQL Server authentication on an Access
2000 MDB file.  The problem is that the Access attach tables dialog doesn't
save the password info.  I was able to get around it by writing the
following DAO routine (make sure you have a DAO reference set in your
project).  This routine will loop through all of your attached tables, and
relink them using the specified UserID and Password.

Public Sub FixAttachments(ByVal strServer As String, ByVal strUID As String,
ByVal strPWD As String)

    Dim db As DAO.Database
    Dim rs As DAO.Recordset
    Dim tdf As DAO.TableDef
    Dim strSQL As String
    
    Set db = DBEngine.Workspaces(0).Databases(0)
    strSQL = "SELECT MSysObjects.Name, " & _
        "MSysObjects.ForeignName, " & _
        "MSysObjects.Connect " & _
        "FROM MSysObjects " & _
        "WHERE MSysObjects.Type=4 " & _
        "ORDER BY MSysObjects.Name;"
    Set rs = db.OpenRecordset(strSQL, dbOpenSnapshot)
    
    db.TableDefs.Refresh
    
    Do Until rs.EOF
        Debug.Print rs!Name
        Set tdf = db.CreateTableDef(rs!Name)
        
        tdf.Connect = "ODBC;" & _
            ExtractArg(rs!Connect, "DRIVER") & ";" & _
            "SERVER=" & strServer & ";" & _
            ExtractArg(rs!Connect, "DATABASE") & ";" & _
            "UID=" & strUID & ";" & _
            "PWD=" & strPWD
            
        tdf.Attributes = dbAttachSavePWD
        tdf.SourceTableName = rs!ForeignName
        db.TableDefs.Delete rs!Name
        db.TableDefs.Append tdf
        
        rs.MoveNext
    Loop
    
    db.TableDefs.Refresh
    rs.Close

End Sub

Public Function ExtractArg(ByVal strIn As String, ByVal strName As
String) As String

    Dim lngPos As Long
    
    strIn = strIn & ";"
    lngPos = InStr(strIn, strName & "=")
    
    If lngPos > 0 Then
        ExtractArg = Mid$(strIn, lngPos, InStr(lngPos, strIn, ";") -
lngPos)
    End If

End Function


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
(AccessD)
Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 1:49 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Connecting to SQL from Access w/a single login?


Hi Christopher:

The SQL server has it's own way of dealing with access rights. They are
through an internal 'sa' type account or it is through 'NT authentication'.

Traditionally, I only use the 'sa' accounts as a backdoor for an
administrator. Your best option would be to go with 'NT authentication'.

The setup is fairly easy, if network has a domain. Go to the main server,
login as an administrator, 'right-click' MyComputer (assuming a Windows2000
system), select the 'Manage' option, choose 'Local Users and Groups' then:
One; create a login group called something like 'sqlusers'. Two; create or
add individual login to the group.

Once all the appropriate users have been added to this group the access the
SQL Enterprise manager. 'EM'. One; Expand the current SQL server, the
'Security' directory and the 'click' on the logins icon. Two; 'right mouse
click', select 'New login' and, on the General tab, from the popdown list
select your 'sqlusers' group. Make sure that the 'Authentication' radio
button is selected and the current domain/server is visible. Three; Go back
to the 'Database' and 'MyDatabase' directory and subdirectory and 'right
mouse click' the users icon. Four; Select 'New database user' and select the
new group you have just added from the popdown menu.

There is some clean up and defining to do but you have basically defined
access rights. Now all you do is attempt a connection at the point where the
user accesses the FE Access DB and if the connection fails, close and exit
the program.  (If you need a sample of code that will connect to your server
just request it.)

You will find this way very clean, secure and not intrusive to the users.
This way is the only way I now ever setup user accounts.

HTH
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Christopher
Hawkins
Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 11:06 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Connecting to SQL from Access w/a single login?


This is driving me nuts.  I know I did this a few years ago, but right now
I'm totally stumped.

A client of mine wrote himself an Access app for use around his office.
Eventually the back-end swelled up to 500MB and problems ensued, so they
decided to go to SQL Server.  He upsized the database himself and then
called me in to help get the Access front-end working against SQL Server.

Here's my current issue; I want all the Access clients to use the same SQL
Server login rather than having a unique SQL Server login for each domain
account.

I went ahead and created an AppUser login and gave it the appropriate
permissions to the application database.  I have the AppUser login and
password set in the ODBC DSN.  But whenever a user tries to connect, an
error message appears stating that his domain login was not recognized by
the SQL Server.  It's not even paying attention to the AppUser info.

I'm surfing BOL right now, but haven't yet figured out what I missed. And I
know I'm missing something.

Any suggestions?
Respectfully,

Christopher Hawkins
Software Developer
(559) 687-7591
http://www.christopherhawkins.com


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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Fri Sep 17 15:25:57 2004
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 13:25:57 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] External IP Address of Local Machine
References: <000f01c49cb7$caa92f10$0200a8c0@COA3>
Message-ID: <414B4855.9000301@shaw.ca>

st_devic.html will probably only work for D-Link routers.


Steve Conklin (Developer at UltraDNT) wrote:

>Marty:
>Most cool, the third one, going to dynip, did the job.  
>
>The tracert didn't include mine, it just showed the ip's of my provider.
>The second method, as written, didn't work.  I assume its because my
>router is not using 0.1 ...  Routers cannot be counted on to use
>192.168.0.1; some are 0.0, 100.1, 1.1, etc.  (this early in the morning,
>I forget what mine is, but I'll try it later.)  Also, are these pages
>"industry standard"? All router mfgr's use these (like st_devic.html)?
>Anyway, if I used that, I'd need discovery code for the router first.
>
>Steve
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
>Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 1:46 AM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] External IP Address of Local Machine
>
>
>I tried a couple of other methods
>
>grabbing the ip entries from this created text file ; sort of slow even 
>with only 3 hops
>tracert -h 3 www.microsoft.com > testtrac.txt
>----------------------------------------
>If you are configuring your router thru http methods
>"http://192.168.0.1/st_devic.html"
>is supposed to give you the ip address
>but then you have to clear the cache
>use this to clear out IE cached pages for DSL router app. 
> 
>Private Declare Function DeleteUrlCacheEntry Lib "wininet.dll" Alias 
> 
>"DeleteUrlCacheEntryA" (ByVal lpszUrlName As String) As Long 
> 
>DeleteUrlCacheEntry "http://192.168.0.1/st_devic.html" 
> 
>DeleteUrlCacheEntry "http://192.168.0.1/st_stats.html" 
>----------------
>http://checkip.dyndns.org/
>can only use every 10 minutes otherwise site gets annoyed
>
>Dim objExplorer As Object
>Dim objDocument As Object
>Dim strComputer As String
>Dim objWMIService As Object
>Dim colLoggedEvents As Object
>Dim objEvent As Object
>Dim dtmDate As Variant
>Dim strReturn As String
>
>Set objExplorer = CreateObject("InternetExplorer.Application")
>'Set objDocument = objExplorer.Document
>objExplorer.Navigate "about:blank"
>objExplorer.Toolbar = 0
>objExplorer.StatusBar = 0
>objExplorer.Width = 800
>objExplorer.Height = 570
>objExplorer.Left = 0
>objExplorer.Top = 0
>objExplorer.Visible = 1
>
>objExplorer.Navigate "http://checkip.dyndns.org/"
>Do While (objExplorer.Busy)
>Loop
>Dim webtx As String
>Dim strHTML As String
>'Set objDocument = objExplorer.Document
>'objDocument.Open
>
>strHTML = objExplorer.Document.BODY.parentElement.outerHTML
> Debug.Print strHTML
>'parse the string here
>
>MsgBox "finished"
>Set objExplorer = Nothing
>Set objDocument = Nothing
>
>End Sub
>
>
>
>Steve Conklin (Developer at UltraDNT) wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Marty:
>>It iterated through about 6 times; most entries were blank, on about 
>>the 4th pass I got my DSN information, but it was also only showing the
>>    
>>
>
>  
>
>>LAN IP (192.168.x.x), not the WAN address.
>>
>>I found an external utility form the page Stuart suggested, it looks 
>>like I'll have to Shell that to know the user's external IP.  The 
>>Help/About mentions MFC classes, so its making Windows calls that
>>*should* be exposed somewhere as an API/DLL, but I haven't figured out 
>>how yet.
>>
>>
>>Steve
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
>>MartyConnelly
>>Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 1:54 PM
>>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] External IP Address of Local Machine
>>
>>
>>I am just curious as to what this WMI code would return working  
>>through
>>
>>a router
>>I get something like this without one. I have garbled numbers.
>>
>>DHCPEnabled: True
>>DHCPLeaseExpires: 13/09/2004 5:42:44 AM
>>DHCPLeaseObtained: 09/11/2004 5:42:50 AM
>>DHCPServer: 64.58.156.40
>>DNSDomain: gv.homecable.net
>>DNSHostName: MyComputer
>>DomainDNSRegistrationEnabled:
>>IPAddress: 24.344.56.566
>>IPAddresslen: 13
>>IPConnectionMetric: 30
>>IPEnabled: True
>>MACAddress: 00:3B:27:43:6A:D1
>>MTU:
>>
>>
>>Sub testnicconfigS()
>>'set reference to WMI for WinXP and 2000
>>'The Win32_NetworkAdapterConfiguration WMI class represents 'the 
>>attributes and behaviors of a network adapter. 'This class has been 
>>extended to include extra properties and methods 'that support the 
>>management of the TCP/IP and Internetworking Packet Exchange
>>(IPX) 'protocols (and are independent of the network adapter). Dim 
>>strComputer As String Dim objWMIService As Object Dim colitems As 
>>Object Dim objitem As Object On Error Resume Next 'there maybe multiple
>>    
>>
>
>  
>
>>Nic entries that are empty so skip them
>>
>>strComputer = "." 'default "." specifies local machine name Set 
>>objWMIService = GetObject("winmgmts:\\" & strComputer & "\root\cimv2") 
>>Set colitems = objWMIService.ExecQuery("Select * from 
>>Win32_NetworkAdapterConfiguration", , 48)
>>
>>For Each objitem In colitems
>>
>>   Debug.Print "DHCPEnabled: " & objitem.DHCPEnabled
>>   Debug.Print "DHCPLeaseExpires: " & WMIDateStringToDate
>>(objitem.DHCPLeaseExpires)
>>   Debug.Print "DHCPLeaseObtained: " & WMIDateStringToDate
>>(objitem.DHCPLeaseObtained)
>>   Debug.Print "DHCPServer: " & objitem.DHCPServer
>>   Debug.Print "DNSDomain: " & objitem.DNSDomain
>>
>>   Debug.Print "DNSHostName: " & objitem.DNSHostName
>>
>>   Debug.Print "DomainDNSRegistrationEnabled: " & 
>>objitem.DomainDNSRegistrationEnabled
>>
>>   Debug.Print "IPAddress: " & objitem.IPAddress(0)
>>      'this is an array like other undocumented entries
>>      'you will have to find by trial and error
>>      'although there is an isarray property somewhere
>>      Debug.Print "IPAddresslen: " & Len(objitem.IPAddress(0))
>>   Debug.Print "IPConnectionMetric: " & objitem.IPConnectionMetric
>>   Debug.Print "IPEnabled: " & objitem.IPEnabled
>>   Debug.Print "MACAddress: " & objitem.MACAddress
>>   Debug.Print "MTU: " & objitem.MTU
>>
>>Next
>>End Sub
>>Function WMIDateStringToDate(dtmInstallDate) As String 'WMI has an odd 
>>date format WMIDateStringToDate = CDate(Mid(dtmInstallDate, 5, 2) & "/"
>>    
>>
>
>  
>
>>& _ Mid(dtmInstallDate, 7, 2) & "/" & Left(dtmInstallDate, 4) _ & " " &
>>    
>>
>
>  
>
>>Mid(dtmInstallDate, 9, 2) & ":" & _ Mid(dtmInstallDate, 11, 2) & ":" & 
>>Mid(dtmInstallDate, _ 13, 2)) End Function
>>
>>
>>Erwin Craps - IT Helps wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>>    
>>
>>>Shields up is a test a webserver test, but just at the startpage 
>>>(before the test) you can see your dns name and ip address
>>>
>>>https://www.grc.com/x/ne.dll?bh0bkyd2
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve 
>>>Conklin
>>>(Developer at UltraDNT)
>>>Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 4:17 PM
>>>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>>>Subject: RE: [AccessD] External IP Address of Local Machine
>>>
>>>Thanks, Stuart.
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart 
>>>McLachlan
>>>Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 7:48 PM
>>>To: Access Developers discussion and problemsolving
>>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] External IP Address of Local Machine
>>>
>>>
>>>On 15 Sep 2004 at 18:55, Steve Conklin (Developer at UltraDNT) wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>   
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>>I am using WDSI, WinInet and various API's to get 2 Access
>>>>applications to send data to each other over FTP.  It is working
>>>>        
>>>>
>well,
>  
>
>>>>  
>>>>
>>>>     
>>>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>   
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>>but I want the server to be secure, that is to only allow 
>>>>logins/files
>>>>  
>>>>
>>>>     
>>>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>   
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>>to come from specific IP's. This is ok when I am sending, because I
>>>>know my IP, and I tell the client to allow my IP.  When I (hopefully)
>>>>        
>>>>
>
>  
>
>>>>sell a copy to the client's client, how can they easily determine
>>>>  
>>>>
>>>>     
>>>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>their IP?
>>>
>>>
>>>   
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>>I have looked at the Winsock API and can get remote IP's via Host
>>>>  
>>>>
>>>>     
>>>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>Name.
>>>
>>>
>>>   
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>>However, when I want to get the IP of the local PC, it returns the
>>>>192.168.x.x address; how can I get the external IP that the FTP
>>>>        
>>>>
>server
>  
>
>>>>  
>>>>
>>>>     
>>>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>   
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>>needs to know through VB/API?
>>>>
>>>>  
>>>>
>>>>     
>>>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>If you are working through a router, you can't since only the router 
>>>knows
>>>the external address..   The only way would be to bounce an HTML
>>>   
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>request
>> 
>>
>>    
>>
>>>of
>>>an external website and read the return data. There a numbder of
>>>freeware tools available on the web that do just that. See 
>>>http://www.snapfiles.com/freeware/network/fwip.html for examples
>>>
>>>
>>>If you're machine is directly connected to the Internet, you can 
>>>iterate
>>>
>>>through it's IP adddresses.
>>>
>>>Here's a module to do it (watch for linewrap)
>>>
>>>Option Compare Database
>>>Option Explicit
>>>
>>>Const MAX_IP = 5   'To make a buffer... i dont think you have more
>>>      
>>>
>than
>  
>
>>>5 ip on your pc..
>>>
>>>Type IPINFO
>>>   dwAddr As Long   ' IP address
>>>  dwIndex As Long '  interface index
>>>  dwMask As Long ' subnet mask
>>>  dwBCastAddr As Long ' broadcast address
>>>  dwReasmSize  As Long ' assembly size
>>>  unused1 As Integer ' not currently used
>>>  unused2 As Integer '; not currently used End Type
>>>
>>>Type MIB_IPADDRTABLE
>>>  dEntrys As Long   'number of entries in the table
>>>  mIPInfo(MAX_IP) As IPINFO  'array of IP address entries End Type
>>>
>>>Type IP_Array
>>>  mBuffer As MIB_IPADDRTABLE
>>>  BufferLen As Long
>>>End Type
>>>
>>>Public Declare Sub CopyMemory Lib "kernel32" Alias "RtlMoveMemory" 
>>>(Destination As Any, Source As Any, ByVal Length As Long) Public 
>>>Declare Function GetIpAddrTable Lib "IPHlpApi" (pIPAdrTable As Byte, 
>>>pdwSize As Long, ByVal Sort As Long) As Long
>>>
>>>
>>>Public Function ConvertAddressToString(longAddr As Long) As String
>>>  Dim myByte(3) As Byte
>>>  Dim Cnt As Long
>>>  CopyMemory myByte(0), longAddr, 4
>>>  For Cnt = 0 To 3
>>>      ConvertAddressToString = ConvertAddressToString +
>>>CStr(myByte(Cnt)) + "."
>>>  Next Cnt
>>>  ConvertAddressToString = Left$(ConvertAddressToString,
>>>Len(ConvertAddressToString) - 1) End Function
>>>
>>>Public Function IPAddresses() As Long
>>>Dim lngRetVal As Long
>>>Dim lngLoop As Long
>>>Dim bBytes() As Byte
>>>Dim IPList As MIB_IPADDRTABLE
>>>
>>>  GetIpAddrTable ByVal 0&, lngRetVal, True
>>>
>>>  If lngRetVal <= 0 Then Exit Function
>>>  ReDim bBytes(0 To lngRetVal - 1) As Byte
>>>  'retrieve the data
>>>  GetIpAddrTable bBytes(0), lngRetVal, False
>>>    
>>>  'Get the first 4 bytes to get the entry's.. ip installed
>>>  CopyMemory IPList.dEntrys, bBytes(0), 4
>>>
>>>  For lngLoop = 0 To IPList.dEntrys - 1
>>>      'Copy whole structure to Listing..
>>>      CopyMemory IPList.mIPInfo(lngLoop), bBytes(4 + (lngLoop * 
>>>Len(IPList.mIPInfo(0)))), Len(IPList.mIPInfo(lngLoop))
>>>       Debug.Print "IP address                   : " &
>>>ConvertAddressToString(IPList.mIPInfo(lngLoop).dwAddr)
>>>       Debug.Print "IP Subnetmask            : " &
>>>ConvertAddressToString(IPList.mIPInfo(lngLoop).dwMask)
>>>       Debug.Print "BroadCast IP address  : " &
>>>ConvertAddressToString(IPList.mIPInfo(lngLoop).dwBCastAddr)
>>>       Debug.Print "**************************************"
>>>  Next
>>>
>>>End Function
>>>
>>>
>>>--
>>>Stuart
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>   
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>> 
>>
>>    
>>
>
>  
>

-- 
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada





From clh at christopherhawkins.com  Fri Sep 17 17:19:43 2004
From: clh at christopherhawkins.com (Christopher Hawkins)
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 16:19:43 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Connecting to SQL from Access w/a single login?
Message-ID: <274490-22004951722194342@christopherhawkins.com>

Brett,

I'm using a similar routine currently.  I have a metadata table full
of information about the data tables.  It contains the localname,
path and sourceobject name of the table I'm linking to in SQL Server.
The actual linking is fine, but as you said remembering the password
is an issue.

Mind you, the password is in the metadata table.  But it seems to get
ignored.  Here is a sample of the string I'm using to create the link:

[code]
ODBC;DSN=MyDataSource;Description=My SQL Server
Date;UID=MyUser;PASSWORD=MyPassword;APP=Microsoft Office
2003;WSID=MyWorkstation;DATABASE=MyDatabaseName[/code]


Here's my function.  How can I ensure that the password that's baked
into the path gets remembered?  I'm thinking that there must be a way
to emulate checking the 'Remember Password' checkbox in the Linked
Table dialog.

[code]
Public Sub LinkTables()

' Given a database with no linked tables, this function
' will establish links to all tables enumerated in zTable
    
    Dim db As Database
    Dim rsTable As dao.Recordset
    Dim sSQL As String
    Dim tdAttach As TableDef
    
On Error GoTo Err_LinkTables

    Set db = CurrentDb
    
    sSQL = "SELECT * FROM zTable"
    
    Set rsTable = db.OpenRecordset(sSQL)
    
    rsTable.MoveFirst
    
    Do Until rsTable.EOF = True
        Debug.Print "Linking " & rsTable("TableName")
        Set tdAttach = db.CreateTableDef(rsTable("TableName"))
        ' Set the connection info in the tabledef object
        With tdAttach
            .Connect = rsTable("Path")
            .SourceTableName = rsTable("SourceTable")
            .Properties("ODBC: Remember Password") = True
        End With
    
        ' Append the new tabledef
        db.TableDefs.Append tdAttach
        rsTable.MoveNext
    Loop
    
Exit_LinkTables:
    Exit Sub

Err_LinkTables:
    If Err.Number = 3012 Then
        Resume Next
    Else
        MsgBox Err.Description
    End If
    Resume Exit_LinkTables
End Sub
[/code]

-C-

---- Original Message ----
From: BBarabash at tappeconstruction.com
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com, 
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Connecting to SQL from Access w/a single login?
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 14:29:46 -0500

>To all who use NT authentication:
>Do you (or your network admins) have any concerns about end users
>potentially linking to the raw data in other apps?
>
>For example, a savvy power user could easily setup an ODBC 
>connection in
>Excel/MS Query and directly query the table data.  If the database
>relies on NT authentication, and the table is available to them, they
>can link to the data directly.
>
>I found this to be problemattic, since I don't really want my users
>bypassing the business rules and manually generating their own 
>reports
>with sensitive data.
>
>Christopher:
>I had this problem a while back using SQL Server authentication on an
>Access 2000 MDB file.  The problem is that the Access attach tables
>dialog doesn't save the password info.  I was able to get around it 
>by
>writing the following DAO routine (make sure you have a DAO reference
>set in your project).  This routine will loop through all of your
>attached tables, and relink them using the specified UserID and
>Password.
>
>Public Sub FixAttachments(ByVal strServer As String, ByVal strUID As
>String, ByVal strPWD As String)
>
>    Dim db As DAO.Database
>    Dim rs As DAO.Recordset
>    Dim tdf As DAO.TableDef
>    Dim strSQL As String
>    
>    Set db = DBEngine.Workspaces(0).Databases(0)
>    strSQL = "SELECT MSysObjects.Name, " & _
>        "MSysObjects.ForeignName, " & _
>        "MSysObjects.Connect " & _
>        "FROM MSysObjects " & _
>        "WHERE MSysObjects.Type=4 " & _
>        "ORDER BY MSysObjects.Name;"
>    Set rs = db.OpenRecordset(strSQL, dbOpenSnapshot)
>    
>    db.TableDefs.Refresh
>    
>    Do Until rs.EOF
>        Debug.Print rs!Name
>        Set tdf = db.CreateTableDef(rs!Name)
>        
>        tdf.Connect = "ODBC;" & _
>            ExtractArg(rs!Connect, "DRIVER") & ";" & _
>            "SERVER=" & strServer & ";" & _
>            ExtractArg(rs!Connect, "DATABASE") & ";" & _
>            "UID=" & strUID & ";" & _
>            "PWD=" & strPWD
>            
>        tdf.Attributes = dbAttachSavePWD
>        tdf.SourceTableName = rs!ForeignName
>        db.TableDefs.Delete rs!Name
>        db.TableDefs.Append tdf
>        
>        rs.MoveNext
>    Loop
>    
>    db.TableDefs.Refresh
>    rs.Close
>
>End Sub
>
>Public Function ExtractArg(ByVal strIn As String, ByVal strName As
>String) As String
>
>    Dim lngPos As Long
>    
>    strIn = strIn & ";"
>    lngPos = InStr(strIn, strName & "=")
>    
>    If lngPos > 0 Then
>        ExtractArg = Mid$(strIn, lngPos, InStr(lngPos, strIn, ";") -
>lngPos)
>    End If
>
>End Function
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim 
>Lawrence
>(AccessD)
>Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 1:49 PM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Connecting to SQL from Access w/a single 
>login?
>
>
>Hi Christopher:
>
>The SQL server has it's own way of dealing with access rights. They 
>are
>through an internal 'sa' type account or it is through 'NT
>authentication'.
>
>Traditionally, I only use the 'sa' accounts as a backdoor for an
>administrator. Your best option would be to go with 'NT 
>authentication'.
>
>The setup is fairly easy, if network has a domain. Go to the main
>server, login as an administrator, 'right-click' MyComputer 
>(assuming a
>Windows2000 system), select the 'Manage' option, choose 'Local Users 
>and
>Groups' then:
>One; create a login group called something like 'sqlusers'.
>Two; create or add individual login to the group.
>
>Once all the appropriate users have been added to this group the 
>access
>the SQL Enterprise manager. 'EM'.
>One; Expand the current SQL server, the 'Security' directory and the
>'click'
>on the logins icon.
>Two; 'right mouse click', select 'New login' and, on the General tab,
>from the popdown list select your 'sqlusers' group. Make sure that 
>the
>'Authentication' radio button is selected and the current 
>domain/server
>is visible.
>Three; Go back to the 'Database' and 'MyDatabase' directory and
>subdirectory and 'right mouse click' the users icon.
>Four; Select 'New database user' and select the new group you have 
>just
>added from the popdown menu.
>
>There is some clean up and defining to do but you have basically 
>defined
>access rights. Now all you do is attempt a connection at the point 
>where
>the user accesses the FE Access DB and if the connection fails, close
>and exit the program.  (If you need a sample of code that will 
>connect
>to your server just request it.)
>
>You will find this way very clean, secure and not intrusive to the
>users.
>This way is the only way I now ever setup user accounts.
>
>HTH
>Jim
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Christopher
>Hawkins
>Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 11:06 AM
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: [AccessD] Connecting to SQL from Access w/a single login?
>
>
>This is driving me nuts.  I know I did this a few years ago, but 
>right
>now I'm totally stumped.
>
>A client of mine wrote himself an Access app for use around his 
>office.
>Eventually the back-end swelled up to 500MB and problems ensued, so 
>they
>decided to go to SQL Server.  He upsized the database himself and 
>then
>called me in to help get the Access front-end working against SQL
>Server.
>
>Here's my current issue; I want all the Access clients to use the 
>same
>SQL Server login rather than having a unique SQL Server login for 
>each
>domain account.
>
>I went ahead and created an AppUser login and gave it the appropriate
>permissions to the application database.  I have the AppUser login 
>and
>password set in the ODBC DSN.  But whenever a user tries to connect, 
>an
>error message appears stating that his domain login was not 
>recognized
>by the SQL Server.  It's not even paying attention to the AppUser 
>info.
>
>I'm surfing BOL right now, but haven't yet figured out what I missed.
>And I know I'm missing something.
>
>Any suggestions?
>Respectfully,
>
>Christopher Hawkins
>Software Developer
>(559) 687-7591
>http://www.christopherhawkins.com
>
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Sep 17 21:00:25 2004
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 22:00:25 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] If you need storage - Check this deal
In-Reply-To: <b874372a04091508282c258b05@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001901c49d23$46a919c0$e8dafea9@ColbyM6805>

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From starkey at wanadoo.nl  Sat Sep 18 04:05:04 2004
From: starkey at wanadoo.nl (StaRKeY)
Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 11:05:04 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Connecting to SQL from Access w/a single login?
In-Reply-To: <191490-2200495171853536@christopherhawkins.com>
Message-ID: <20040918090159.9082B1820A@smtp6.wanadoo.nl>

Hi Christopher, 

Have you also given an Applicationrole some thought? This has the advantage
over an AppUser that you are still able recognise the true connected user in
case you'd need this plus it's pretty practical since no users have to be
given any rights but being able to connect to the specific SQL database. By
giving the applicationrole all the nescessary rights you achive the same
goal as by using a single user account but more flexible.

I'm using it at this moment in an adp using ADO for all the data
manipulation/views and it's working like a charme.. Nice touch is that the
'access datasheet look & feel' can be kept while all forms/sheets are
unbound!


Regards, 
Eric Starkenburg 

-----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- 
Van: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Namens Christopher Hawkins 
Verzonden: vrijdag 17 september 2004 20:06 
Aan: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Onderwerp: [AccessD] Connecting to SQL from Access w/a single login? 

This is driving me nuts.  I know I did this a few years ago, but right now
I'm totally stumped. 

A client of mine wrote himself an Access app for use around his office.
Eventually the back-end swelled up to 500MB and problems ensued, so they
decided to go to SQL Server.  He upsized the database himself and then
called me in to help get the Access front-end working against SQL Server.

Here's my current issue; I want all the Access clients to use the same SQL
Server login rather than having a unique SQL Server login for each domain
account.

I went ahead and created an AppUser login and gave it the appropriate
permissions to the application database.  I have the AppUser login and
password set in the ODBC DSN.  But whenever a user tries to connect, an
error message appears stating that his domain login was not recognized by
the SQL Server.  It's not even paying attention to the AppUser info.

I'm surfing BOL right now, but haven't yet figured out what I missed. 
And I know I'm missing something. 

Any suggestions? 
Respectfully, 

Christopher Hawkins 
Software Developer 
(559) 687-7591 
http://www.christopherhawkins.com 


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From barbara.march at surveyrisk.co.uk  Sat Sep 18 10:28:36 2004
From: barbara.march at surveyrisk.co.uk (Barbara March)
Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 16:28:36 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Gmail Invite (D)
In-Reply-To: <20040917181707.78818.qmail@web50804.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <E1C8h8A-0005vk-00@mrvdomng.kundenserver.de>

Yes please

Barbara (^-^)/
UK 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of dan williams
Sent: Friday 17 September 2004 19:17
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Gmail Invite (D)

sure would like one please
--- Jeff Barrows <Jeff at outbaktech.com> wrote:

> On its way!   Anyone else?
> 
> Jeff Barrows
> MCP, MCAD, MCSD
>  
> Outbak Technologies, LLC
> Racine, WI
> jeff at outbaktech.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Steven W. Erbach [mailto:serbach at new.rr.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 10:22 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Gmail Invite (D)
> 
> Jeff,
> 
> >> Are you looking for a GMail invite? <<
> 
> Well, sure, if ya got one one 'a dem dere tings, eh?
> 
> Steve Erbach
> Neenah, WI
> 
> 
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sat Sep 18 13:14:37 2004
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence (AccessD))
Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 11:14:37 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] GDI updates
In-Reply-To: <001901c49d23$46a919c0$e8dafea9@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <FJEJLIPOMCGJALMGLLLIKEOCCGAA.accessd@shaw.ca>

Hi All:

Has anyone heard of Microsoft's GDI update tools before...ramification?
http://www.microsoft.com/security/bulletins/200409_jpeg_tool.mspx

Jim


From BBarabash at TappeConstruction.com  Sat Sep 18 14:27:14 2004
From: BBarabash at TappeConstruction.com (Brett Barabash)
Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 14:27:14 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Connecting to SQL from Access w/a single login?
Message-ID: <100F91B31300334B89EC531C9DCB086506595D@tccexch01.tappeconstruction.net>

Try setting tdAttach.Attributes = dbAttachSavePWD

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Christopher
Hawkins
Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 5:20 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Connecting to SQL from Access w/a single login?

Brett,

I'm using a similar routine currently.  I have a metadata table full of
information about the data tables.  It contains the localname, path and
sourceobject name of the table I'm linking to in SQL Server.
The actual linking is fine, but as you said remembering the password is
an issue.

Mind you, the password is in the metadata table.  But it seems to get
ignored.  Here is a sample of the string I'm using to create the link:

[code]
ODBC;DSN=MyDataSource;Description=My SQL Server
Date;UID=MyUser;PASSWORD=MyPassword;APP=Microsoft Office
2003;WSID=MyWorkstation;DATABASE=MyDatabaseName[/code]


Here's my function.  How can I ensure that the password that's baked
into the path gets remembered?  I'm thinking that there must be a way to
emulate checking the 'Remember Password' checkbox in the Linked Table
dialog.

[code]
Public Sub LinkTables()

' Given a database with no linked tables, this function ' will establish
links to all tables enumerated in zTable
    
    Dim db As Database
    Dim rsTable As dao.Recordset
    Dim sSQL As String
    Dim tdAttach As TableDef
    
On Error GoTo Err_LinkTables

    Set db = CurrentDb
    
    sSQL = "SELECT * FROM zTable"
    
    Set rsTable = db.OpenRecordset(sSQL)
    
    rsTable.MoveFirst
    
    Do Until rsTable.EOF = True
        Debug.Print "Linking " & rsTable("TableName")
        Set tdAttach = db.CreateTableDef(rsTable("TableName"))
        ' Set the connection info in the tabledef object
        With tdAttach
            .Connect = rsTable("Path")
            .SourceTableName = rsTable("SourceTable")
            .Properties("ODBC: Remember Password") = True
        End With
    
        ' Append the new tabledef
        db.TableDefs.Append tdAttach
        rsTable.MoveNext
    Loop
    
Exit_LinkTables:
    Exit Sub

Err_LinkTables:
    If Err.Number = 3012 Then
        Resume Next
    Else
        MsgBox Err.Description
    End If
    Resume Exit_LinkTables
End Sub
[/code]

-C-

---- Original Message ----
From: BBarabash at tappeconstruction.com
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com,
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Connecting to SQL from Access w/a single login?
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 14:29:46 -0500

>To all who use NT authentication:
>Do you (or your network admins) have any concerns about end users 
>potentially linking to the raw data in other apps?
>
>For example, a savvy power user could easily setup an ODBC connection 
>in Excel/MS Query and directly query the table data.  If the database 
>relies on NT authentication, and the table is available to them, they 
>can link to the data directly.
>
>I found this to be problemattic, since I don't really want my users 
>bypassing the business rules and manually generating their own reports 
>with sensitive data.
>
>Christopher:
>I had this problem a while back using SQL Server authentication on an 
>Access 2000 MDB file.  The problem is that the Access attach tables 
>dialog doesn't save the password info.  I was able to get around it by 
>writing the following DAO routine (make sure you have a DAO reference 
>set in your project).  This routine will loop through all of your 
>attached tables, and relink them using the specified UserID and 
>Password.
>
>Public Sub FixAttachments(ByVal strServer As String, ByVal strUID As 
>String, ByVal strPWD As String)
>
>    Dim db As DAO.Database
>    Dim rs As DAO.Recordset
>    Dim tdf As DAO.TableDef
>    Dim strSQL As String
>    
>    Set db = DBEngine.Workspaces(0).Databases(0)
>    strSQL = "SELECT MSysObjects.Name, " & _
>        "MSysObjects.ForeignName, " & _
>        "MSysObjects.Connect " & _
>        "FROM MSysObjects " & _
>        "WHERE MSysObjects.Type=4 " & _
>        "ORDER BY MSysObjects.Name;"
>    Set rs = db.OpenRecordset(strSQL, dbOpenSnapshot)
>    
>    db.TableDefs.Refresh
>    
>    Do Until rs.EOF
>        Debug.Print rs!Name
>        Set tdf = db.CreateTableDef(rs!Name)
>        
>        tdf.Connect = "ODBC;" & _
>            ExtractArg(rs!Connect, "DRIVER") & ";" & _
>            "SERVER=" & strServer & ";" & _
>            ExtractArg(rs!Connect, "DATABASE") & ";" & _
>            "UID=" & strUID & ";" & _
>            "PWD=" & strPWD
>            
>        tdf.Attributes = dbAttachSavePWD
>        tdf.SourceTableName = rs!ForeignName
>        db.TableDefs.Delete rs!Name
>        db.TableDefs.Append tdf
>        
>        rs.MoveNext
>    Loop
>    
>    db.TableDefs.Refresh
>    rs.Close
>
>End Sub
>
>Public Function ExtractArg(ByVal strIn As String, ByVal strName As
>String) As String
>
>    Dim lngPos As Long
>    
>    strIn = strIn & ";"
>    lngPos = InStr(strIn, strName & "=")
>    
>    If lngPos > 0 Then
>        ExtractArg = Mid$(strIn, lngPos, InStr(lngPos, strIn, ";") -
>lngPos)
>    End If
>
>End Function
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
>(AccessD)
>Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 1:49 PM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Connecting to SQL from Access w/a single login?
>
>
>Hi Christopher:
>
>The SQL server has it's own way of dealing with access rights. They are

>through an internal 'sa' type account or it is through 'NT 
>authentication'.
>
>Traditionally, I only use the 'sa' accounts as a backdoor for an 
>administrator. Your best option would be to go with 'NT 
>authentication'.
>
>The setup is fairly easy, if network has a domain. Go to the main 
>server, login as an administrator, 'right-click' MyComputer (assuming a

>Windows2000 system), select the 'Manage' option, choose 'Local Users 
>and Groups' then:
>One; create a login group called something like 'sqlusers'.
>Two; create or add individual login to the group.
>
>Once all the appropriate users have been added to this group the access

>the SQL Enterprise manager. 'EM'.
>One; Expand the current SQL server, the 'Security' directory and the 
>'click'
>on the logins icon.
>Two; 'right mouse click', select 'New login' and, on the General tab, 
>from the popdown list select your 'sqlusers' group. Make sure that the 
>'Authentication' radio button is selected and the current domain/server

>is visible.
>Three; Go back to the 'Database' and 'MyDatabase' directory and 
>subdirectory and 'right mouse click' the users icon.
>Four; Select 'New database user' and select the new group you have just

>added from the popdown menu.
>
>There is some clean up and defining to do but you have basically 
>defined access rights. Now all you do is attempt a connection at the 
>point where the user accesses the FE Access DB and if the connection 
>fails, close and exit the program.  (If you need a sample of code that 
>will connect to your server just request it.)
>
>You will find this way very clean, secure and not intrusive to the 
>users.
>This way is the only way I now ever setup user accounts.
>
>HTH
>Jim
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Christopher 
>Hawkins
>Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 11:06 AM
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: [AccessD] Connecting to SQL from Access w/a single login?
>
>
>This is driving me nuts.  I know I did this a few years ago, but right 
>now I'm totally stumped.
>
>A client of mine wrote himself an Access app for use around his office.
>Eventually the back-end swelled up to 500MB and problems ensued, so 
>they decided to go to SQL Server.  He upsized the database himself and 
>then called me in to help get the Access front-end working against SQL 
>Server.
>
>Here's my current issue; I want all the Access clients to use the same 
>SQL Server login rather than having a unique SQL Server login for each 
>domain account.
>
>I went ahead and created an AppUser login and gave it the appropriate 
>permissions to the application database.  I have the AppUser login and 
>password set in the ODBC DSN.  But whenever a user tries to connect, an

>error message appears stating that his domain login was not recognized 
>by the SQL Server.  It's not even paying attention to the AppUser info.
>
>I'm surfing BOL right now, but haven't yet figured out what I missed.
>And I know I'm missing something.
>
>Any suggestions?
>Respectfully,
>
>Christopher Hawkins
>Software Developer
>(559) 687-7591
>http://www.christopherhawkins.com

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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sat Sep 18 17:25:48 2004
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 08:25:48 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] GDI updates
In-Reply-To: <FJEJLIPOMCGJALMGLLLIKEOCCGAA.accessd@shaw.ca>
References: <001901c49d23$46a919c0$e8dafea9@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <414D428C.13099.12D2CB34@lexacorp.com.pg>

On 18 Sep 2004 at 11:14, Jim Lawrence (AccessD) wrote:

> Hi All:
> 
> Has anyone heard of Microsoft's GDI update tools before...ramification?
> http://www.microsoft.com/security/bulletins/200409_jpeg_tool.mspx
> 
It's a patch to fix a recently identified security flaw in the handling of 
jpeg images.   A specially craffted jpg image can contain code that will be 
executed.

Grab it.

 -- 
Stuart




From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sun Sep 19 00:58:28 2004
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 01:58:28 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] test
In-Reply-To: <001901c49d23$46a919c0$e8dafea9@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <002b01c49e0d$b27d3510$e8dafea9@ColbyM6805>

Nothing today from any of our lists.  Just a quiet day?

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 




From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Sun Sep 19 05:06:05 2004
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 11:06:05 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] test
In-Reply-To: <002b01c49e0d$b27d3510$e8dafea9@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <000901c49e30$47007e50$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25>

I reckon so. Morning John.

-- Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> John W. Colby
> Sent: 19 September 2004 06:58
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; 
> dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] test
> 
> 
> Nothing today from any of our lists.  Just a quiet day?
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com 
> 
> 
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sun Sep 19 08:22:14 2004
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence (AccessD))
Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 06:22:14 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] GDI updates
In-Reply-To: <414D428C.13099.12D2CB34@lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <FJEJLIPOMCGJALMGLLLICEOFCGAA.accessd@shaw.ca>

Who would have guessed it? Is nothing safe or sacred.

Thanks
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Stuart
McLachlan
Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2004 3:26 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] GDI updates


On 18 Sep 2004 at 11:14, Jim Lawrence (AccessD) wrote:

> Hi All:
>
> Has anyone heard of Microsoft's GDI update tools before...ramification?
> http://www.microsoft.com/security/bulletins/200409_jpeg_tool.mspx
>
It's a patch to fix a recently identified security flaw in the handling of
jpeg images.   A specially craffted jpg image can contain code that will be
executed.

Grab it.

 --
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Sun Sep 19 09:56:09 2004
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 16:56:09 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Connecting to SQL from Access w/a single login?
In-Reply-To: <100F91B31300334B89EC531C9DCB086506595D@tccexch01.tappeconstruction.net>
References: <100F91B31300334B89EC531C9DCB086506595D@tccexch01.tappeconstruction.net>
Message-ID: <706286609.20040919165609@cactus.dk>

Hi Brett

> Try setting tdAttach.Attributes = dbAttachSavePWD

First, I think this is for attached Jet databases only.
Second, I guess this should be:

  tdAttach.Attributes = tdAttach.Attributes Or dbAttachSavePWD

or you would kill any other attribute (or raise an error).

Also, this should not be necessary:

>    Do Until rs.EOF
>        Debug.Print rs!Name
>        Set tdf = db.CreateTableDef(rs!Name)
>        
>        tdf.Connect = "ODBC;" & _
>            ExtractArg(rs!Connect, "DRIVER") & ";" & _
>            "SERVER=" & strServer & ";" & _
>            ExtractArg(rs!Connect, "DATABASE") & ";" & _
>            "UID=" & strUID & ";" & _
>            "PWD=" & strPWD
>            
>        tdf.Attributes = dbAttachSavePWD
>        tdf.SourceTableName = rs!ForeignName
>        db.TableDefs.Delete rs!Name
>        db.TableDefs.Append tdf
>        
>        rs.MoveNext
>    Loop

A Refresh is normally fine (and faster):

       Set tdf = db.TableDefs(rs!Name)
       tdf.Connect = "ODBC;" & _ ...
       tdf.Attributes = dbAttachSavePWD
       tdf.SourceTableName = rs!ForeignName
       tdf.Refresh

/gustav


> I'm using a similar routine currently.  I have a metadata table full of
> information about the data tables.  It contains the localname, path and
> sourceobject name of the table I'm linking to in SQL Server.
> The actual linking is fine, but as you said remembering the password is
> an issue.



From gustav at cactus.dk  Sun Sep 19 10:01:36 2004
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 17:01:36 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Connecting to SQL from Access w/a single login?
In-Reply-To: <274490-22004951722194342@christopherhawkins.com>
References: <274490-22004951722194342@christopherhawkins.com>
Message-ID: <1646613790.20040919170136@cactus.dk>

Hi Christopher

How are you looking for the password?

It will not be present in the Msys-tables but should be present in the
Connect property of the tabledef.

/gustav


> Mind you, the password is in the metadata table.  But it seems to get
> ignored.  Here is a sample of the string I'm using to create the link:

> [code]
> ODBC;DSN=MyDataSource;Description=My SQL Server
> Date;UID=MyUser;PASSWORD=MyPassword;APP=Microsoft Office
> 2003;WSID=MyWorkstation;DATABASE=MyDatabaseName[/code]

> Here's my function.  How can I ensure that the password that's baked
> into the path gets remembered?  I'm thinking that there must be a way
> to emulate checking the 'Remember Password' checkbox in the Linked
> Table dialog.



From Joe_Hecht at earthlink.net  Sun Sep 19 16:02:25 2004
From: Joe_Hecht at earthlink.net (Joe Hecht)
Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 14:02:25 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] test
In-Reply-To: <002b01c49e0d$b27d3510$e8dafea9@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <001001c49e8b$f9e89ab0$6401a8c0@delllaptop>

yups

JOE HECHT
LOS ANGELES CA 
 jmhla at earthlink.net

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2004 10:58 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving';
dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] test

Nothing today from any of our lists.  Just a quiet day?

John W. Colby
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From forefront at ig.com.br  Sat Sep 18 19:23:48 2004
From: forefront at ig.com.br (Forefront)
Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 21:23:48 -0300
Subject: [AccessD] .TIFF Image of Report Pages
In-Reply-To: <100F91B31300334B89EC531C9DCB0865065951@tccexch01.tappeconstruction.net>
References: <100F91B31300334B89EC531C9DCB0865065951@tccexch01.tappeconstruction.net>
Message-ID: <414CD194.3020808@ig.com.br>

Brett Barabash wrote:
> GhostScript is free (but quite involved to setup).  PDF995 is based off
> of GhostScript, and charges $9.95 for the reduced headaches.  
> 
> Differences between a PDF995 created document and an Adobe Acrobat
> document are minimal (Gustav pointed out a few minor differences, should
> be in the archives).
> 
> I would recommend PDF995 as an almost-free PDF alternative.
> 

CutePDF and PrimoPDF are also good alternatives to PDF995.
;-)
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From john at winhaven.net  Mon Sep 20 09:35:31 2004
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 09:35:31 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] .TIFF Image of Report Pages
In-Reply-To: <BA209D7D3A20BE499AB726E4ED7A6DA1FCB73A@nprdex02.nns.com>
Message-ID: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIOEOGFOAA.john@winhaven.net>

Mark,
I've seen situations where things were being done in a rather labor
intensive, inefficient manner just as you describe. I've proposed better
solutions and people have initially gotten a bit excited about the idea but
in the end they kept doing it the same way. Sooo. I'd say you're going to
get to labeled as:

1. a genius :-)
2. a lazy tehcno-geek who thinks the computers can do everything but doesn't
realize that not everybody can run the computers as well as you (i.e. the
scanner staff would have to be trained to run the software to do this-it
would be too efficient to just have the engineers do it.) ;-)
3. a trouble maker who is trying to put all those people with jobs in the
scanning section out of work! :-(

John

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Mitsules, Mark
S. (Newport News)
Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 6:50 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] .TIFF Image of Report Pages


Many thanks to you all.

After a little research into how other divisions have handled this creation
of .tiff files from AutoCAD .dwg files, I'm a little disappointed.  I mean
that, just on the hint that we might have to take over this responsibility,
it has only taken 12 hours for you kind folks to provide a multitude of
viable options.  What scares me is that some divisions are actually doing
this manually by scanning a hard copy.

So, in comparison, would I be considered lazy or efficient for wanting a
better way?  ;)


Mark


-----Original Message-----
From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk]
Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 11:36 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] .TIFF Image of Report Pages


Hi Mark

The "Print To Picture" printer driver:

  http://progrex.narod.ru/ptp.html

can output to PCX, BMP, or PNG files.
Then you can convert to TIFF.

/gustav


> Does anyone have any brilliant ideas on how I could automatically generate
a
> .tiff image for each page in a report?

> Background: Our company stores issued drawings in .tiff format.  In the
> past, drawings have been scanned in manually in a reproduction department.
> Currently, I issue drawings using Access reports.  It has been suggested
> that the .tiff creation MAY fall to the engineering department.

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From BBarabash at TappeConstruction.com  Mon Sep 20 09:59:48 2004
From: BBarabash at TappeConstruction.com (Brett Barabash)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 09:59:48 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Connecting to SQL from Access w/a single login?
Message-ID: <100F91B31300334B89EC531C9DCB086506595F@tccexch01.tappeconstruction.net>

>First, I think this is for attached Jet databases only.
No, I have used this extensively for attaching to our SQL Server 2000
databases.

>Second, I guess this should be:
>tdAttach.Attributes = tdAttach.Attributes Or dbAttachSavePWD
Good point.

>Also, this should not be necessary: <snip>
A couple of points here:
1. The TableDef object doesn't have a Refresh method.  Perhaps
RefreshLink?
2. If you try this, omit the tdf.SourceTableName = rs!ForeignName line.
It blows up.
3. I can't remember the exact reason why I dropped and recreated the
table.  I can recall trying the simple update and RefreshLink but had
difficulties.  Can't remember much more than that.  Seems to work OK
now, though.


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2004 9:56 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Connecting to SQL from Access w/a single login?


Hi Brett

> Try setting tdAttach.Attributes = dbAttachSavePWD

First, I think this is for attached Jet databases only.
Second, I guess this should be:

  tdAttach.Attributes = tdAttach.Attributes Or dbAttachSavePWD

or you would kill any other attribute (or raise an error).

Also, this should not be necessary:

>    Do Until rs.EOF
>        Debug.Print rs!Name
>        Set tdf = db.CreateTableDef(rs!Name)
>        
>        tdf.Connect = "ODBC;" & _
>            ExtractArg(rs!Connect, "DRIVER") & ";" & _
>            "SERVER=" & strServer & ";" & _
>            ExtractArg(rs!Connect, "DATABASE") & ";" & _
>            "UID=" & strUID & ";" & _
>            "PWD=" & strPWD
>            
>        tdf.Attributes = dbAttachSavePWD
>        tdf.SourceTableName = rs!ForeignName
>        db.TableDefs.Delete rs!Name
>        db.TableDefs.Append tdf
>        
>        rs.MoveNext
>    Loop

A Refresh is normally fine (and faster):

       Set tdf = db.TableDefs(rs!Name)
       tdf.Connect = "ODBC;" & _ ...
       tdf.Attributes = dbAttachSavePWD
       tdf.SourceTableName = rs!ForeignName
       tdf.Refresh

/gustav


> I'm using a similar routine currently.  I have a metadata table full 
> of information about the data tables.  It contains the localname, path

> and sourceobject name of the table I'm linking to in SQL Server.
> The actual linking is fine, but as you said remembering the password 
> is an issue.

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From Drawbridge.Jack at ic.gc.ca  Mon Sep 20 11:04:47 2004
From: Drawbridge.Jack at ic.gc.ca (Drawbridge.Jack at ic.gc.ca)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 12:04:47 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Problem with code to change field data type in vba
Message-ID: <0F3AFAE449DD4A40BED8B6C4A97ABF5B15B360@MSG-MB3.icent.ic.gc.ca>

Here's code that could do the job, but I'd be real cautious about losing
existing data.

Private Sub TestThis()
Dim fld As Field
Dim dbs As DATABASE
Dim tbl As TableDef

Set dbs = CurrentDb()
'
'== Do the DATATYPE Change to Integer
'
For Each tbl In dbs.TableDefs
 If Left$(tbl.NAME, 2) = "t_" Then
    For Each fld In tbl.Fields
        If fld.NAME <> "t_proj" And fld.NAME <> "t_pt" And _
           fld.NAME <> "t_plink" And fld.NAME <> "ptlink" _
           And fld.NAME <> "t_species" Then
            Debug.Print "Before change:  - " & tbl.NAME & "   - field Name
/Type : " & fld.NAME & "/" & fld.Type
           
    dbs.Execute "ALTER TABLE " & tbl.NAME _
        & " DROP column " & fld.NAME & ";"
    dbs.Execute "ALTER TABLE " & tbl.NAME _
        & " Add column " & fld.NAME & " integer;"
            'Debug.Print "After change:  - " & tbl.NAME & "   - field Name
/Type : " & fld.NAME & "/" & fld.Type
        Else
        End If
    Next fld
 Else
 End If
Next tbl
dbs.Close
'
'===CHECK The results of datatype change ==============

Set dbs = CurrentDb
For Each tbl In dbs.TableDefs
 If Left$(tbl.NAME, 2) = "t_" Then
    For Each fld In tbl.Fields
        If fld.NAME <> "t_proj" And fld.NAME <> "t_pt" And _
           fld.NAME <> "t_plink" And fld.NAME <> "ptlink" _
           And fld.NAME <> "t_species" Then
    Debug.Print "After change:  - " & tbl.NAME & "   - field Name /Type : "
& fld.NAME & "/" & fld.Type
        Else
        End If
    Next fld
 Else
 End If
Next tbl

Beep
MsgBox "Done"
dbs.Close
End Sub


jack
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Paul Black
Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 6:17 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Problem with code to change field data type in vba


Hi

I using Access 97 and can not get the following to work:

Private Sub Command0_Click()
Dim fld As Field
Dim dbs As Database
Dim tbl As TableDef

Set dbs = CurrentDb()
For Each fld In tbl.Fields
    If Left$(tbl.Name, 2) = "t_" And fld <> "t_proj" And fld <> "t_pt" And 
fld <> "t_plink" And fld <> "ptlink" And fld <> "t_species" Then
        fld.Type = dbInteger
    End If
Next fld

Beep
MsgBox "Done"
End Sub

It is supposed to change the field data type to integer from text. All field

names to change begin with 't_' excluding certain fields listed above. I 
keep getting an error:

Runtime error '91'
Object Variable or With Block variable not set

Other than the excluded fields above all the data conatined in the fields is

numeric or has a Null value... but it is in a text field. The data is coming

to me off of a Pocket PC and it won't let me change the field type to 
numeric.

Please help me solve this.

Thanks

PB

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From DElam at jenkens.com  Mon Sep 20 14:30:08 2004
From: DElam at jenkens.com (Elam, Debbie)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 14:30:08 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] ADPs and Exclusive Access Warnings
Message-ID: <7B1961ED924D1A459E378C9B1BB22B4C0248548D@natexch.jenkens.com>

I have 2 different .adps created in Access 2002.  Both of these are giving a
message "You do not have exclusive access at this time...."  In both
instances, the user should not be saving any changes to the database anyhow.
I do not understand why these are popping up.  Personally I would just
prefer to suppress the message, but set warnings to false does not do the
trick.  Any ideas on either preventing the message, or simply suppressing it
from displaying?

Debbie
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From fhtapia at gmail.com  Mon Sep 20 14:48:27 2004
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 12:48:27 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] ADPs and Exclusive Access Warnings
In-Reply-To: <7B1961ED924D1A459E378C9B1BB22B4C0248548D@natexch.jenkens.com>
References: <7B1961ED924D1A459E378C9B1BB22B4C0248548D@natexch.jenkens.com>
Message-ID: <b874372a040920124868c36565@mail.gmail.com>

are you sharing the ADP w/ anyone?


On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 14:30:08 -0500, Elam, Debbie <delam at jenkens.com> wrote:
> I have 2 different .adps created in Access 2002.  Both of these are giving a
> message "You do not have exclusive access at this time...."  In both
> instances, the user should not be saving any changes to the database anyhow.
> I do not understand why these are popping up.  Personally I would just
> prefer to suppress the message, but set warnings to false does not do the
> trick.  Any ideas on either preventing the message, or simply suppressing it
> from displaying?
> 
> Debbie
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From DElam at jenkens.com  Mon Sep 20 15:13:21 2004
From: DElam at jenkens.com (Elam, Debbie)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 15:13:21 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] ADPs and Exclusive Access Warnings
Message-ID: <7B1961ED924D1A459E378C9B1BB22B4C0248548F@natexch.jenkens.com>

Both adps are shared with several people.  I normally try to put front ends
on the computer, rather than share to the network, but for a variety of
reasons that is impractical in this case.

Debbie

-----Original Message-----
From: Francisco Tapia [mailto:fhtapia at gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 2:48 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] ADPs and Exclusive Access Warnings


are you sharing the ADP w/ anyone?


On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 14:30:08 -0500, Elam, Debbie <delam at jenkens.com> wrote:
> I have 2 different .adps created in Access 2002.  Both of these are giving
a
> message "You do not have exclusive access at this time...."  In both
> instances, the user should not be saving any changes to the database
anyhow.
> I do not understand why these are popping up.  Personally I would just
> prefer to suppress the message, but set warnings to false does not do the
> trick.  Any ideas on either preventing the message, or simply suppressing
it
> from displaying?
> 
> Debbie
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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Mon Sep 20 16:29:51 2004
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 14:29:51 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] .TIFF Image of Report Pages
References: <100F91B31300334B89EC531C9DCB0865065951@tccexch01.tappeconstruction.net>
	<414CD194.3020808@ig.com.br>
Message-ID: <414F4BCF.10301@shaw.ca>

Or you could try this from SourceForge
PDF Creator
http://sourceforge.net/projects/pdfcreator/
You will have to add your own .ini files for multi language support.

Forefront wrote:

> Brett Barabash wrote:
>
>> GhostScript is free (but quite involved to setup).  PDF995 is based off
>> of GhostScript, and charges $9.95 for the reduced headaches. 
>> Differences between a PDF995 created document and an Adobe Acrobat
>> document are minimal (Gustav pointed out a few minor differences, should
>> be in the archives).
>>
>> I would recommend PDF995 as an almost-free PDF alternative.
>>
>
> CutePDF and PrimoPDF are also good alternatives to PDF995.
> ;-)


-- 
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Canada





From fhtapia at gmail.com  Mon Sep 20 16:41:54 2004
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 14:41:54 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] ADPs and Exclusive Access Warnings
In-Reply-To: <7B1961ED924D1A459E378C9B1BB22B4C0248548F@natexch.jenkens.com>
References: <7B1961ED924D1A459E378C9B1BB22B4C0248548F@natexch.jenkens.com>
Message-ID: <b874372a0409201441741c08fd@mail.gmail.com>

If you change certain settings including the "connection Settings"
then the ADP want's exclusive access... I dunno why you would not want
to distribute as a normal FE one each pc... but this may be one of
those Access error messages.


On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 15:13:21 -0500, Elam, Debbie <delam at jenkens.com> wrote:
> Both adps are shared with several people.  I normally try to put front ends
> on the computer, rather than share to the network, but for a variety of
> reasons that is impractical in this case.
> 
> Debbie
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Francisco Tapia [mailto:fhtapia at gmail.com]
> Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 2:48 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] ADPs and Exclusive Access Warnings
> 
> are you sharing the ADP w/ anyone?
> 
> On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 14:30:08 -0500, Elam, Debbie <delam at jenkens.com> wrote:
> > I have 2 different .adps created in Access 2002.  Both of these are giving
> a
> > message "You do not have exclusive access at this time...."  In both
> > instances, the user should not be saving any changes to the database
> anyhow.
> > I do not understand why these are popping up.  Personally I would just
> > prefer to suppress the message, but set warnings to false does not do the
> > trick.  Any ideas on either preventing the message, or simply suppressing
> it
> > from displaying?
> >
> > Debbie
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> subject
> > to the Attorney-Client Privilege, (2) an attorney work product, or (3)
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> information.
> > If you have received this in error, please reply and notify the sender
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> a
> > violation of federal criminal law.
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> > sender's client or principal to conduct a transaction or make any
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From KP at sdsonline.net  Mon Sep 20 20:09:24 2004
From: KP at sdsonline.net (Kath Pelletti)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 11:09:24 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Urgent help please - Can't open html page
	inFrontpagefrom Access form
References: <988E2AC88CCB54459286C4077DB662F50155B2D8@PDAWB03C.ad.sprint.com>
Message-ID: <000d01c49f77$a2f2eb10$6501a8c0@user>

Hi Donald - thanks for the reply. I didn't know that there was an FP html editor as opposed to normal FP- that would certainly solve the problem as these pages will also be very simple - I will look further into that. Thanks

Kath

----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Mcgillivray, Donald [ITS] 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
  Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2004 2:05 AM
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] Urgent help please - Can't open html page inFrontpagefrom Access form


  Firstly, I have only passing familiarity with Front Page and web stuff -
  DEFINITELY no kind of expert!  But since you seem to be in a similar
  situation, maybe my experience will prove useful.

  In FP 98 (newer versions may be different) the html editor is a separate
  application that can be run independently from the FP web designer
  interface.  Since my ISP doesn't support FP extensions at my
  subscription level, I just use the FP editor (not the web designer) to
  create pages (VERY simple ones, to be sure) and upload them via FTP to
  my web space.  Basically, the FP html editor allows you to open, edit
  and save ANY html doc to ANY place you please - doesn't have to be a
  part of a "Front Page web" at all.  Things could get a little tricky if
  the html doc contains hyperlinks to other pages within the web site - in
  my situation I mimic the directory structure of my web space on my PC,
  and make any hyperlinks relative to the page location - and I have no
  idea what happens if you just slip a page into a FP web thru the "back
  door" (does the FP web automatically 'know' the new page is there, or do
  you have to use the web designer to make it available?) 

  All this having been said, I don't know whether the FP html editor (as
  distinct from the web designer) has an exposed object model that you can
  automate from your VBA code (I'm at work and my FP is installed at home)
  but if it does, you ought to be able to open and work a document
  independent of any web specs and then move it to the web via a separate
  process when the user is finished.

  Hope this helps!

  Don McGillivray



  -----Original Message-----
  From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
  [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti
  Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 6:13 PM
  To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
  Subject: [AccessD] Urgent help please - Can't open html page in
  Frontpagefrom Access form


  I have wasted ages on this so am now begging assistance........

  I have an html file (empty at present - later it will have some basic
  text)

  I need to my code to 
  - Make a copy of the template.html file (I can do that) and 
  - give it a new name, eg. Template_BHP_140904.html (I can do that)
  - Open the html file just created in Frontpage for users to modify the
  document (That's where I'm stuck....)

  My problem is a total lack of knowledge of files vs. webs and therefore
  the syntax I need. Questions: - 

  - Do I have to have a 'web' or 'web folder' - can't I just have an html
  file and open it?

  - If I can, what is the alternative syntax to .webs.open - eg. I am
  looking for a .pages.open property or .files.open ?

  Here's my code so far - when I run it I get an error  - There is no web
  named "/E:/SDS/Clients/CPP/WebLetters/Template.html"


  ------------------------------------------------------------------------
  --------

  Private Sub CmdOpenFP_Click()

  Dim oFPweb As FrontPage.Web
  Dim oFP As FrontPage.Application
  Dim FrontPageRunning As Boolean

  'Determine whether FrontPage is alredy open or not
  FrontPageRunning = IsFrontPageRunning()

  If Not FrontPageRunning Then
      MsgBox ("Frontpage is Closed")
      Set oFP = CreateObject("Frontpage.Application")
  Else
      MsgBox ("Frontpage is already open")
      Set oFP = GetObject(, "Frontpage.Application")
  End If

  'add code here later to make a copy of my file

  'open file in front page------------------------------------------------
  oFP.Webs.Open ("E:\Sds\Clients\CPP\Webletters\template.html")
  'STUCK HERE

   ' Show FrontPage
   oFPweb.Activate
   'Set oFP = Nothing

  End Sub

  ------------------------------------------------------------------------
  --------

  TIA


  Kath Pelletti
  Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd.
  Ph: 9505-6714
  Fax: 9505-6430
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From roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk  Tue Sep 21 03:08:10 2004
From: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk (Roz Clarke)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 09:08:10 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] ADPs and Exclusive Access Warnings
Message-ID: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C8318805CED47C@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>

I can't speak for Debbie but I have similar problems with .mdbs and .mdes
and I have to use a shared FE because we are a Terminal Services site. Users
do not get to change connection settings or design of objects and yet the
applications still frequently lock. 

I was hoping that .adps would NOT present the same problems, as we are
currently developing one for 200+ users (30 users at a time can be in one FE
on a terminal server).

:( 

-----Original Message-----
From: Francisco Tapia [mailto:fhtapia at gmail.com] 
Sent: 20 September 2004 22:42
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] ADPs and Exclusive Access Warnings


If you change certain settings including the "connection Settings" then the
ADP want's exclusive access... I dunno why you would not want to distribute
as a normal FE one each pc... but this may be one of those Access error
messages.


On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 15:13:21 -0500, Elam, Debbie <delam at jenkens.com> wrote:
> Both adps are shared with several people.  I normally try to put front 
> ends on the computer, rather than share to the network, but for a 
> variety of reasons that is impractical in this case.
> 
> Debbie
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Francisco Tapia [mailto:fhtapia at gmail.com]
> Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 2:48 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] ADPs and Exclusive Access Warnings
> 
> are you sharing the ADP w/ anyone?
> 
> On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 14:30:08 -0500, Elam, Debbie <delam at jenkens.com> 
> wrote:
> > I have 2 different .adps created in Access 2002.  Both of these are 
> > giving
> a
> > message "You do not have exclusive access at this time...."  In both 
> > instances, the user should not be saving any changes to the database
> anyhow.
> > I do not understand why these are popping up.  Personally I would 
> > just prefer to suppress the message, but set warnings to false does 
> > not do the trick.  Any ideas on either preventing the message, or 
> > simply suppressing
> it
> > from displaying?
> >
> > Debbie
> > - JENKENS & GILCHRIST E-MAIL NOTICE - This transmission may be: (1)
> subject
> > to the Attorney-Client Privilege, (2) an attorney work product, or 
> > (3) strictly confidential. If you are not the intended recipient of 
> > this message, you may not disclose, print, copy or disseminate this
> information.
> > If you have received this in error, please reply and notify the 
> > sender
> > (only) and delete the message. Unauthorized interception of this e-mail
is
> a
> > violation of federal criminal law.
> > This communication does not reflect an intention by the sender or 
> > the sender's client or principal to conduct a transaction or make 
> > any
> agreement
> > by electronic means.  Nothing contained in this message or in any
> attachment
> > shall satisfy the requirements for a writing, and nothing contained 
> > herein shall constitute a contract or electronic signature under the 
> > Electronic Signatures in Global and National Commerce Act, any 
> > version of the Uniform Electronic Transactions Act or any other 
> > statute governing electronic transactions.
> > --
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> 
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Sep 21 06:25:26 2004
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 13:25:26 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] ADPs and Exclusive Access Warnings
In-Reply-To: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C8318805CED47C@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>
References: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C8318805CED47C@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>
Message-ID: <112712810.20040921132526@cactus.dk>

Hi Roz and Debbie

Have you tried to write protect the frontend file?

/gustav


> I can't speak for Debbie but I have similar problems with .mdbs and .mdes
> and I have to use a shared FE because we are a Terminal Services site. Users
> do not get to change connection settings or design of objects and yet the
> applications still frequently lock. 



From DElam at jenkens.com  Tue Sep 21 07:15:11 2004
From: DElam at jenkens.com (Elam, Debbie)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 07:15:11 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] ADPs and Exclusive Access Warnings
Message-ID: <7B1961ED924D1A459E378C9B1BB22B4C02485491@natexch.jenkens.com>

No, I have not tried to write protect the front end at all.

Debbie

-----Original Message-----
From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 6:25 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] ADPs and Exclusive Access Warnings


Hi Roz and Debbie

Have you tried to write protect the frontend file?

/gustav


> I can't speak for Debbie but I have similar problems with .mdbs and .mdes
> and I have to use a shared FE because we are a Terminal Services site.
Users
> do not get to change connection settings or design of objects and yet the
> applications still frequently lock. 

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From Jeff at OUTBAKTech.com  Tue Sep 21 08:49:11 2004
From: Jeff at OUTBAKTech.com (Jeff Barrows)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 08:49:11 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Installation Software (cross posted)
Message-ID: <8DA8776D2F418E46A2A464AC6CE630500326BD@outbaksrv1.outbaktech.com>

Anyone know where to get the best price on a newer version, single user copy of Installshield?
 
Jeff


From fhtapia at gmail.com  Tue Sep 21 10:59:31 2004
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 08:59:31 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] ADPs and Exclusive Access Warnings
In-Reply-To: <7B1961ED924D1A459E378C9B1BB22B4C02485491@natexch.jenkens.com>
References: <7B1961ED924D1A459E378C9B1BB22B4C02485491@natexch.jenkens.com>
Message-ID: <b874372a040921085944976f27@mail.gmail.com>

did you say you get this error on an ADE as well as an MDE?


On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 07:15:11 -0500, Elam, Debbie <delam at jenkens.com> wrote:
> No, I have not tried to write protect the front end at all.
> 
> Debbie
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 6:25 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] ADPs and Exclusive Access Warnings
> 
> Hi Roz and Debbie
> 
> Have you tried to write protect the frontend file?
> 
> /gustav
> 
> > I can't speak for Debbie but I have similar problems with .mdbs and .mdes
> > and I have to use a shared FE because we are a Terminal Services site.
> Users
> > do not get to change connection settings or design of objects and yet the
> > applications still frequently lock.
> 
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From DElam at jenkens.com  Tue Sep 21 11:37:56 2004
From: DElam at jenkens.com (Elam, Debbie)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 11:37:56 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] ADPs and Exclusive Access Warnings
Message-ID: <7B1961ED924D1A459E378C9B1BB22B4C0248549E@natexch.jenkens.com>

The MDB I was using before did not have this error, the ADP I created to
serve basically the same purpose and used in the same spot does have this
error.  I do not have an MDE that I have used like this.

Debbie

-----Original Message-----
From: Francisco Tapia [mailto:fhtapia at gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 11:00 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] ADPs and Exclusive Access Warnings


did you say you get this error on an ADE as well as an MDE?


On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 07:15:11 -0500, Elam, Debbie <delam at jenkens.com> wrote:
> No, I have not tried to write protect the front end at all.
> 
> Debbie
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 6:25 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] ADPs and Exclusive Access Warnings
> 
> Hi Roz and Debbie
> 
> Have you tried to write protect the frontend file?
> 
> /gustav
> 
> > I can't speak for Debbie but I have similar problems with .mdbs and
.mdes
> > and I have to use a shared FE because we are a Terminal Services site.
> Users
> > do not get to change connection settings or design of objects and yet
the
> > applications still frequently lock.
> 
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From davide at dalyn.co.nz  Tue Sep 21 15:25:25 2004
From: davide at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 08:25:25 +1200
Subject: [AccessD] ADPs and Exclusive Access Warnings
In-Reply-To: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C8318805CED47C@dibble.observator
	y.donnslaw.co.uk>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20040922082307.00bd8790@mail.dalyn.co.nz>

If it is any consolation, I have an 2002 ADP/SQL2000 configuration running 
on Terminal server with up to 10 concurrent users and it works with no hitches.

Regards

David Emerson
Dalyn Software Ltd
25 Cunliffe St, Churton Park
Wellington, New Zealand
Ph/Fax (04) 478-7456
Mobile 027-280-9348

At 21/09/2004, you wrote:
>I can't speak for Debbie but I have similar problems with .mdbs and .mdes
>and I have to use a shared FE because we are a Terminal Services site. Users
>do not get to change connection settings or design of objects and yet the
>applications still frequently lock.
>
>I was hoping that .adps would NOT present the same problems, as we are
>currently developing one for 200+ users (30 users at a time can be in one FE
>on a terminal server).
>
>:(
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Francisco Tapia [mailto:fhtapia at gmail.com]
>Sent: 20 September 2004 22:42
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] ADPs and Exclusive Access Warnings
>
>
>If you change certain settings including the "connection Settings" then the
>ADP want's exclusive access... I dunno why you would not want to distribute
>as a normal FE one each pc... but this may be one of those Access error
>messages.
>
>
>On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 15:13:21 -0500, Elam, Debbie <delam at jenkens.com> wrote:
> > Both adps are shared with several people.  I normally try to put front
> > ends on the computer, rather than share to the network, but for a
> > variety of reasons that is impractical in this case.
> >
> > Debbie
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Francisco Tapia [mailto:fhtapia at gmail.com]
> > Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 2:48 PM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] ADPs and Exclusive Access Warnings
> >
> > are you sharing the ADP w/ anyone?
> >
> > On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 14:30:08 -0500, Elam, Debbie <delam at jenkens.com>
> > wrote:
> > > I have 2 different .adps created in Access 2002.  Both of these are
> > > giving
> > a
> > > message "You do not have exclusive access at this time...."  In both
> > > instances, the user should not be saving any changes to the database
> > anyhow.
> > > I do not understand why these are popping up.  Personally I would
> > > just prefer to suppress the message, but set warnings to false does
> > > not do the trick.  Any ideas on either preventing the message, or
> > > simply suppressing
> > it
> > > from displaying?
> > >
> > > Debbie
>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com



From davide at dalyn.co.nz  Tue Sep 21 16:17:07 2004
From: davide at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 09:17:07 +1200
Subject: [AccessD] ADPs and Exclusive Access Warnings
In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20040922082307.00bd8790@mail.dalyn.co.nz>
References: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C8318805CED47C@dibble.observator
	y.donnslaw.co.uk>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20040922091637.00bdf060@mail.dalyn.co.nz>

Correction - It is an ade

David

At 22/09/2004, you wrote:
>If it is any consolation, I have an 2002 ADP/SQL2000 configuration running 
>on Terminal server with up to 10 concurrent users and it works with no hitches.
>
>Regards
>
>David Emerson
>Dalyn Software Ltd
>25 Cunliffe St, Churton Park
>Wellington, New Zealand
>Ph/Fax (04) 478-7456
>Mobile 027-280-9348
>
>At 21/09/2004, you wrote:
>>I can't speak for Debbie but I have similar problems with .mdbs and .mdes
>>and I have to use a shared FE because we are a Terminal Services site. Users
>>do not get to change connection settings or design of objects and yet the
>>applications still frequently lock.
>>
>>I was hoping that .adps would NOT present the same problems, as we are
>>currently developing one for 200+ users (30 users at a time can be in one FE
>>on a terminal server).
>>
>>:(
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Francisco Tapia [mailto:fhtapia at gmail.com]
>>Sent: 20 September 2004 22:42
>>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] ADPs and Exclusive Access Warnings
>>
>>
>>If you change certain settings including the "connection Settings" then the
>>ADP want's exclusive access... I dunno why you would not want to distribute
>>as a normal FE one each pc... but this may be one of those Access error
>>messages.
>>
>>
>>On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 15:13:21 -0500, Elam, Debbie <delam at jenkens.com> wrote:
>> > Both adps are shared with several people.  I normally try to put front
>> > ends on the computer, rather than share to the network, but for a
>> > variety of reasons that is impractical in this case.
>> >
>> > Debbie
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Francisco Tapia [mailto:fhtapia at gmail.com]
>> > Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 2:48 PM
>> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] ADPs and Exclusive Access Warnings
>> >
>> > are you sharing the ADP w/ anyone?
>> >
>> > On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 14:30:08 -0500, Elam, Debbie <delam at jenkens.com>
>> > wrote:
>> > > I have 2 different .adps created in Access 2002.  Both of these are
>> > > giving
>> > a
>> > > message "You do not have exclusive access at this time...."  In both
>> > > instances, the user should not be saving any changes to the database
>> > anyhow.
>> > > I do not understand why these are popping up.  Personally I would
>> > > just prefer to suppress the message, but set warnings to false does
>> > > not do the trick.  Any ideas on either preventing the message, or
>> > > simply suppressing
>> > it
>> > > from displaying?
>> > >
>> > > Debbie
>>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Tue Sep 21 16:49:41 2004
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 14:49:41 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] ADPs  in the future
References: <5.2.0.9.0.20040922082307.00bd8790@mail.dalyn.co.nz>
Message-ID: <4150A1F5.3050506@shaw.ca>

Just in passing concerning future design
about ADP's from Access 2003 on down that will not play fair with SQL 
Server 2005 Express (replacement for MSDE).

 Re: Access 2002 and SQL Express
 From:  "Mary Chipman [MSFT]" <mchip at online.microsoft.com> Sent:  
8/20/2004 11:30:58 AM

You will not be able to use any of the designers with SQLS 2005
databases, whether it's SQL Express or the Developer edition. IOW, you
won't be able to create databases, tables, views or any other database
objects from an ADP. The only support that is envisioned is that you
will be able to connect an Access front-end to a SQLS 2005 back end if
it is running in SQLS 2000 compatibility mode, so your forms, reports
and other local Access objects should still run. There is no service
pack or quick fix being planned as far as I know because of the amount
of work it would entail. If you stop to think about it, it's pretty
hard to see how accomodating new Yukon features like CLR assemblies
and complex data types in the ADP designers could be achieved without
a complete rewrite.

--Mary Chipman

-- 
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Victoria, B.C.
Canada





From d.dick at uws.edu.au  Tue Sep 21 19:35:48 2004
From: d.dick at uws.edu.au (Darren DICK)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 10:35:48 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Getting MAC Address
Message-ID: <200409220036.i8M0a3XH020021@cooper.uws.edu.au>

Hi All
I have some code to get the machine name and the IP address/es
but does anyone have any samples to get a MAC Address off a machine??
 
Many thank in advance
 
Darren
 


From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Tue Sep 21 19:53:17 2004
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 10:53:17 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Getting MAC Address
In-Reply-To: <200409220036.i8M0a3XH020021@cooper.uws.edu.au>
Message-ID: <4151599D.4174.45B9E73@lexacorp.com.pg>

On 22 Sep 2004 at 10:35, Darren DICK wrote:

> Hi All
> I have some code to get the machine name and the IP address/es
> but does anyone have any samples to get a MAC Address off a machine??
>  
Here's code to give you just about everything you could want for all 
adapters installed. (Watch for wrap)

The  "Physical Address" returns the MAC Address

Option Compare Database
Option Explicit

Public Const MAX_HOSTNAME_LEN = 132
Public Const MAX_DOMAIN_NAME_LEN = 132
Public Const MAX_SCOPE_ID_LEN = 260
Public Const MAX_ADAPTER_NAME_LENGTH = 260
Public Const MAX_ADAPTER_ADDRESS_LENGTH = 8
Public Const MAX_ADAPTER_DESCRIPTION_LENGTH = 132
Public Const ERROR_BUFFER_OVERFLOW = 111
Public Const MIB_IF_TYPE_ETHERNET = 1
Public Const MIB_IF_TYPE_TOKENRING = 2
Public Const MIB_IF_TYPE_FDDI = 3
Public Const MIB_IF_TYPE_PPP = 4
Public Const MIB_IF_TYPE_LOOPBACK = 5
Public Const MIB_IF_TYPE_SLIP = 6

Type IP_ADDR_STRING
    Next As Long
    IpAddress As String * 16
    IpMask As String * 16
    Context As Long
End Type

Type IP_ADAPTER_INFO
    Next As Long
    ComboIndex As Long
    AdapterName As String * MAX_ADAPTER_NAME_LENGTH
    Description As String * MAX_ADAPTER_DESCRIPTION_LENGTH
    AddressLength As Long
    Address(MAX_ADAPTER_ADDRESS_LENGTH - 1) As Byte
    Index As Long
    Type As Long
    DhcpEnabled As Long
    CurrentIpAddress As Long
    IpAddressList As IP_ADDR_STRING
    GatewayList As IP_ADDR_STRING
    DhcpServer As IP_ADDR_STRING
    HaveWins As Boolean
    PrimaryWinsServer As IP_ADDR_STRING
    SecondaryWinsServer As IP_ADDR_STRING
    LeaseObtained As Long
    LeaseExpires As Long
End Type

Type FIXED_INFO
    HostName As String * MAX_HOSTNAME_LEN
    DomainName As String * MAX_DOMAIN_NAME_LEN
    CurrentDnsServer As Long
    DnsServerList As IP_ADDR_STRING
    NodeType As Long
    ScopeId  As String * MAX_SCOPE_ID_LEN
    EnableRouting As Long
    EnableProxy As Long
    EnableDns As Long
End Type

Public Declare Function GetNetworkParams Lib "IPHlpApi" (FixedInfo As Any, pOutBufLen As Long) As Long
Public Declare Function GetAdaptersInfo Lib "IPHlpApi" (IpAdapterInfo As Any, pOutBufLen As Long) As Long
Public Declare Sub CopyMemory Lib "kernel32" Alias "RtlMoveMemory" (Destination As Any, Source As Any, ByVal Length As Long)

Function NWInfo() As Long
    'This example was created by George Bernier (bernig at dinomail.qc.ca)
    Dim error As Long
    Dim FixedInfoSize As Long
    Dim AdapterInfoSize As Long
    Dim i As Integer
    Dim PhysicalAddress  As String
    Dim NewTime As Date
    Dim AdapterInfo As IP_ADAPTER_INFO
    Dim Adapt As IP_ADAPTER_INFO
    Dim AddrStr As IP_ADDR_STRING
    Dim FixedInfo As FIXED_INFO
    Dim Buffer As IP_ADDR_STRING
    Dim pAddrStr As Long
    Dim pAdapt As Long
    Dim Buffer2 As IP_ADAPTER_INFO
    Dim FixedInfoBuffer() As Byte
    Dim AdapterInfoBuffer() As Byte
    
    'Get the main IP configuration information for this machine using a FIXED_INFO structure
    FixedInfoSize = 0
    error = GetNetworkParams(ByVal 0&, FixedInfoSize)
    If error <> 0 Then
        If error <> ERROR_BUFFER_OVERFLOW Then
           MsgBox "GetNetworkParams sizing failed with error " & error
           Exit Function
        End If
    End If
    ReDim FixedInfoBuffer(FixedInfoSize - 1)

    error = GetNetworkParams(FixedInfoBuffer(0), FixedInfoSize)
    If error = 0 Then
            CopyMemory FixedInfo, FixedInfoBuffer(0), Len(FixedInfo)
            MsgBox "Host Name:  " & FixedInfo.HostName 'host name
            MsgBox "DNS Servers:  " & FixedInfo.DnsServerList.IpAddress 'dns server IP
            pAddrStr = FixedInfo.DnsServerList.Next
            Do While pAddrStr <> 0
                  CopyMemory Buffer, ByVal pAddrStr, Len(Buffer)
                  MsgBox "DNS Servers:  " & Buffer.IpAddress 'dns server IP
                  pAddrStr = Buffer.Next
            Loop
            
            Select Case FixedInfo.NodeType 'node type
                       Case 1
                                  MsgBox "Node type: Broadcast"
                       Case 2
                                   MsgBox "Node type: Peer to peer"
                       Case 4
                                    MsgBox "Node type: Mixed"
                       Case 8
                                    MsgBox "Node type: Hybrid"
                       Case Else
                                    MsgBox "Unknown node type"
            End Select
            
            MsgBox "NetBIOS Scope ID:  " & FixedInfo.ScopeId 'scope ID
            'routing
            If FixedInfo.EnableRouting Then
                       MsgBox "IP Routing Enabled "
            Else
                       MsgBox "IP Routing not enabled"
            End If
            ' proxy
            If FixedInfo.EnableProxy Then
                       MsgBox "WINS Proxy Enabled "
            Else
                       MsgBox "WINS Proxy not Enabled "
            End If
            ' netbios
            If FixedInfo.EnableDns Then
                      MsgBox "NetBIOS Resolution Uses DNS "
            Else
                      MsgBox "NetBIOS Resolution Does not use DNS  "
            End If
    Else
            MsgBox "GetNetworkParams failed with error " & error
            Exit Function
    End If
    
    'Enumerate all of the adapter specific information using the IP_ADAPTER_INFO structure.
    'Note:  IP_ADAPTER_INFO contains a linked list of adapter entries.
    
    AdapterInfoSize = 0
    error = GetAdaptersInfo(ByVal 0&, AdapterInfoSize)
    If error <> 0 Then
        If error <> ERROR_BUFFER_OVERFLOW Then
           MsgBox "GetAdaptersInfo sizing failed with error " & error
           Exit Function
        End If
    End If
   ReDim AdapterInfoBuffer(AdapterInfoSize - 1)
 
 ' Get actual adapter information
   error = GetAdaptersInfo(AdapterInfoBuffer(0), AdapterInfoSize)
   If error <> 0 Then
      MsgBox "GetAdaptersInfo failed with error " & error
      Exit Function
   End If
   CopyMemory AdapterInfo, AdapterInfoBuffer(0), Len(AdapterInfo)
   pAdapt = AdapterInfo.Next

   Do While pAdapt <> 0
        CopyMemory Buffer2, AdapterInfo, Len(Buffer2)
          Select Case Buffer2.Type
                Case MIB_IF_TYPE_ETHERNET
                    MsgBox "Ethernet adapter "
                Case MIB_IF_TYPE_TOKENRING
                    MsgBox "Token Ring adapter "
                Case MIB_IF_TYPE_FDDI
                    MsgBox "FDDI adapter "
                Case MIB_IF_TYPE_PPP
                    MsgBox "PPP adapter"
                Case MIB_IF_TYPE_LOOPBACK
                    MsgBox "Loopback adapter "
                Case MIB_IF_TYPE_SLIP
                    MsgBox "Slip adapter "
                Case Else
                    MsgBox "Other adapter "
        End Select
    MsgBox " AdapterName: " & Buffer2.AdapterName
    MsgBox "AdapterDescription: " & Buffer2.Description 'adatpter name

    For i = 0 To Buffer2.AddressLength - 1
           PhysicalAddress = PhysicalAddress & Hex(Buffer2.Address(i))
            If i < Buffer2.AddressLength - 1 Then
             PhysicalAddress = PhysicalAddress & "-"
            End If

    Next
    MsgBox "Physical Address: " & PhysicalAddress 'mac address
    If Buffer2.DhcpEnabled Then
            MsgBox "DHCP Enabled "
    Else
            MsgBox "DHCP disabled"
    End If

    pAddrStr = Buffer2.IpAddressList.Next
    Do While pAddrStr <> 0
           CopyMemory Buffer, Buffer2.IpAddressList, LenB(Buffer)
           MsgBox "IP Address: " & Buffer.IpAddress
           MsgBox "Subnet Mask: " & Buffer.IpMask
           pAddrStr = Buffer.Next
           If pAddrStr <> 0 Then
            CopyMemory Buffer2.IpAddressList, ByVal pAddrStr, Len(Buffer2.IpAddressList)
           End If
   Loop
    MsgBox "Default Gateway: " & Buffer2.GatewayList.IpAddress
    pAddrStr = Buffer2.GatewayList.Next
    Do While pAddrStr <> 0
            CopyMemory Buffer, Buffer2.GatewayList, Len(Buffer)
            MsgBox "IP Address: " & Buffer.IpAddress
            pAddrStr = Buffer.Next
            If pAddrStr <> 0 Then
            CopyMemory Buffer2.GatewayList, ByVal pAddrStr, Len(Buffer2.GatewayList)
            End If
    Loop

    MsgBox "DHCP Server: " & Buffer2.DhcpServer.IpAddress
    MsgBox "Primary WINS Server: " & Buffer2.PrimaryWinsServer.IpAddress
    MsgBox "Secondary WINS Server: " & Buffer2.SecondaryWinsServer.IpAddress

    ' Display time
    NewTime = CDate(Adapt.LeaseObtained)
    MsgBox "Lease Obtained: " & CStr(NewTime)

    NewTime = CDate(Adapt.LeaseExpires)
    MsgBox "Lease Expires :  " & CStr(NewTime)
    pAdapt = Buffer2.Next
    If pAdapt <> 0 Then
        CopyMemory AdapterInfo, ByVal pAdapt, Len(AdapterInfo)
    End If

   Loop
   
End Function

-- 
Stuart




From d.dick at uws.edu.au  Tue Sep 21 21:32:35 2004
From: d.dick at uws.edu.au (Darren DICK)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 12:32:35 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Getting MAC Address
In-Reply-To: <4151599D.4174.45B9E73@lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <200409220232.i8M2WxXH003528@cooper.uws.edu.au>

Hi Stuart
Wow this is way cool
I have a prob though :-((

At the point in the code where it says  - Do While pAdapt <> 0
It just gets bypassed and no more message boxes from that point ()The code
just exits)

If I msgbox the pAdapt value it says Zero - that's why the code bypasses it
(the most important bit)

If I change that line to Do While pAdapt = 0 it works as expected with
The relevant MSGBOX's but of course it puts itself into an endless loop

Any idea why the pAdapt bit is returning 0??

Many thanks

Darren

 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Wednesday, 22 September 2004 10:53 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problemsolving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K: Getting MAC Address

On 22 Sep 2004 at 10:35, Darren DICK wrote:

> Hi All
> I have some code to get the machine name and the IP address/es but 
> does anyone have any samples to get a MAC Address off a machine??
>  
Here's code to give you just about everything you could want for all
adapters installed. (Watch for wrap)

The  "Physical Address" returns the MAC Address

Option Compare Database
Option Explicit

Public Const MAX_HOSTNAME_LEN = 132
Public Const MAX_DOMAIN_NAME_LEN = 132
Public Const MAX_SCOPE_ID_LEN = 260
Public Const MAX_ADAPTER_NAME_LENGTH = 260 Public Const
MAX_ADAPTER_ADDRESS_LENGTH = 8 Public Const MAX_ADAPTER_DESCRIPTION_LENGTH =
132 Public Const ERROR_BUFFER_OVERFLOW = 111 Public Const
MIB_IF_TYPE_ETHERNET = 1 Public Const MIB_IF_TYPE_TOKENRING = 2 Public Const
MIB_IF_TYPE_FDDI = 3 Public Const MIB_IF_TYPE_PPP = 4 Public Const
MIB_IF_TYPE_LOOPBACK = 5 Public Const MIB_IF_TYPE_SLIP = 6

Type IP_ADDR_STRING
    Next As Long
    IpAddress As String * 16
    IpMask As String * 16
    Context As Long
End Type

Type IP_ADAPTER_INFO
    Next As Long
    ComboIndex As Long
    AdapterName As String * MAX_ADAPTER_NAME_LENGTH
    Description As String * MAX_ADAPTER_DESCRIPTION_LENGTH
    AddressLength As Long
    Address(MAX_ADAPTER_ADDRESS_LENGTH - 1) As Byte
    Index As Long
    Type As Long
    DhcpEnabled As Long
    CurrentIpAddress As Long
    IpAddressList As IP_ADDR_STRING
    GatewayList As IP_ADDR_STRING
    DhcpServer As IP_ADDR_STRING
    HaveWins As Boolean
    PrimaryWinsServer As IP_ADDR_STRING
    SecondaryWinsServer As IP_ADDR_STRING
    LeaseObtained As Long
    LeaseExpires As Long
End Type

Type FIXED_INFO
    HostName As String * MAX_HOSTNAME_LEN
    DomainName As String * MAX_DOMAIN_NAME_LEN
    CurrentDnsServer As Long
    DnsServerList As IP_ADDR_STRING
    NodeType As Long
    ScopeId  As String * MAX_SCOPE_ID_LEN
    EnableRouting As Long
    EnableProxy As Long
    EnableDns As Long
End Type

Public Declare Function GetNetworkParams Lib "IPHlpApi" (FixedInfo As Any,
pOutBufLen As Long) As Long Public Declare Function GetAdaptersInfo Lib
"IPHlpApi" (IpAdapterInfo As Any, pOutBufLen As Long) As Long Public Declare
Sub CopyMemory Lib "kernel32" Alias "RtlMoveMemory" (Destination As Any,
Source As Any, ByVal Length As Long)

Function NWInfo() As Long
    'This example was created by George Bernier (bernig at dinomail.qc.ca)
    Dim error As Long
    Dim FixedInfoSize As Long
    Dim AdapterInfoSize As Long
    Dim i As Integer
    Dim PhysicalAddress  As String
    Dim NewTime As Date
    Dim AdapterInfo As IP_ADAPTER_INFO
    Dim Adapt As IP_ADAPTER_INFO
    Dim AddrStr As IP_ADDR_STRING
    Dim FixedInfo As FIXED_INFO
    Dim Buffer As IP_ADDR_STRING
    Dim pAddrStr As Long
    Dim pAdapt As Long
    Dim Buffer2 As IP_ADAPTER_INFO
    Dim FixedInfoBuffer() As Byte
    Dim AdapterInfoBuffer() As Byte
    
    'Get the main IP configuration information for this machine using a
FIXED_INFO structure
    FixedInfoSize = 0
    error = GetNetworkParams(ByVal 0&, FixedInfoSize)
    If error <> 0 Then
        If error <> ERROR_BUFFER_OVERFLOW Then
           MsgBox "GetNetworkParams sizing failed with error " & error
           Exit Function
        End If
    End If
    ReDim FixedInfoBuffer(FixedInfoSize - 1)

    error = GetNetworkParams(FixedInfoBuffer(0), FixedInfoSize)
    If error = 0 Then
            CopyMemory FixedInfo, FixedInfoBuffer(0), Len(FixedInfo)
            MsgBox "Host Name:  " & FixedInfo.HostName 'host name
            MsgBox "DNS Servers:  " & FixedInfo.DnsServerList.IpAddress 'dns
server IP
            pAddrStr = FixedInfo.DnsServerList.Next
            Do While pAddrStr <> 0
                  CopyMemory Buffer, ByVal pAddrStr, Len(Buffer)
                  MsgBox "DNS Servers:  " & Buffer.IpAddress 'dns server IP
                  pAddrStr = Buffer.Next
            Loop
            
            Select Case FixedInfo.NodeType 'node type
                       Case 1
                                  MsgBox "Node type: Broadcast"
                       Case 2
                                   MsgBox "Node type: Peer to peer"
                       Case 4
                                    MsgBox "Node type: Mixed"
                       Case 8
                                    MsgBox "Node type: Hybrid"
                       Case Else
                                    MsgBox "Unknown node type"
            End Select
            
            MsgBox "NetBIOS Scope ID:  " & FixedInfo.ScopeId 'scope ID
            'routing
            If FixedInfo.EnableRouting Then
                       MsgBox "IP Routing Enabled "
            Else
                       MsgBox "IP Routing not enabled"
            End If
            ' proxy
            If FixedInfo.EnableProxy Then
                       MsgBox "WINS Proxy Enabled "
            Else
                       MsgBox "WINS Proxy not Enabled "
            End If
            ' netbios
            If FixedInfo.EnableDns Then
                      MsgBox "NetBIOS Resolution Uses DNS "
            Else
                      MsgBox "NetBIOS Resolution Does not use DNS  "
            End If
    Else
            MsgBox "GetNetworkParams failed with error " & error
            Exit Function
    End If
    
    'Enumerate all of the adapter specific information using the
IP_ADAPTER_INFO structure.
    'Note:  IP_ADAPTER_INFO contains a linked list of adapter entries.
    
    AdapterInfoSize = 0
    error = GetAdaptersInfo(ByVal 0&, AdapterInfoSize)
    If error <> 0 Then
        If error <> ERROR_BUFFER_OVERFLOW Then
           MsgBox "GetAdaptersInfo sizing failed with error " & error
           Exit Function
        End If
    End If
   ReDim AdapterInfoBuffer(AdapterInfoSize - 1)
 
 ' Get actual adapter information
   error = GetAdaptersInfo(AdapterInfoBuffer(0), AdapterInfoSize)
   If error <> 0 Then
      MsgBox "GetAdaptersInfo failed with error " & error
      Exit Function
   End If
   CopyMemory AdapterInfo, AdapterInfoBuffer(0), Len(AdapterInfo)
   pAdapt = AdapterInfo.Next

   Do While pAdapt <> 0
        CopyMemory Buffer2, AdapterInfo, Len(Buffer2)
          Select Case Buffer2.Type
                Case MIB_IF_TYPE_ETHERNET
                    MsgBox "Ethernet adapter "
                Case MIB_IF_TYPE_TOKENRING
                    MsgBox "Token Ring adapter "
                Case MIB_IF_TYPE_FDDI
                    MsgBox "FDDI adapter "
                Case MIB_IF_TYPE_PPP
                    MsgBox "PPP adapter"
                Case MIB_IF_TYPE_LOOPBACK
                    MsgBox "Loopback adapter "
                Case MIB_IF_TYPE_SLIP
                    MsgBox "Slip adapter "
                Case Else
                    MsgBox "Other adapter "
        End Select
    MsgBox " AdapterName: " & Buffer2.AdapterName
    MsgBox "AdapterDescription: " & Buffer2.Description 'adatpter name

    For i = 0 To Buffer2.AddressLength - 1
           PhysicalAddress = PhysicalAddress & Hex(Buffer2.Address(i))
            If i < Buffer2.AddressLength - 1 Then
             PhysicalAddress = PhysicalAddress & "-"
            End If

    Next
    MsgBox "Physical Address: " & PhysicalAddress 'mac address
    If Buffer2.DhcpEnabled Then
            MsgBox "DHCP Enabled "
    Else
            MsgBox "DHCP disabled"
    End If

    pAddrStr = Buffer2.IpAddressList.Next
    Do While pAddrStr <> 0
           CopyMemory Buffer, Buffer2.IpAddressList, LenB(Buffer)
           MsgBox "IP Address: " & Buffer.IpAddress
           MsgBox "Subnet Mask: " & Buffer.IpMask
           pAddrStr = Buffer.Next
           If pAddrStr <> 0 Then
            CopyMemory Buffer2.IpAddressList, ByVal pAddrStr,
Len(Buffer2.IpAddressList)
           End If
   Loop
    MsgBox "Default Gateway: " & Buffer2.GatewayList.IpAddress
    pAddrStr = Buffer2.GatewayList.Next
    Do While pAddrStr <> 0
            CopyMemory Buffer, Buffer2.GatewayList, Len(Buffer)
            MsgBox "IP Address: " & Buffer.IpAddress
            pAddrStr = Buffer.Next
            If pAddrStr <> 0 Then
            CopyMemory Buffer2.GatewayList, ByVal pAddrStr,
Len(Buffer2.GatewayList)
            End If
    Loop

    MsgBox "DHCP Server: " & Buffer2.DhcpServer.IpAddress
    MsgBox "Primary WINS Server: " & Buffer2.PrimaryWinsServer.IpAddress
    MsgBox "Secondary WINS Server: " & Buffer2.SecondaryWinsServer.IpAddress

    ' Display time
    NewTime = CDate(Adapt.LeaseObtained)
    MsgBox "Lease Obtained: " & CStr(NewTime)

    NewTime = CDate(Adapt.LeaseExpires)
    MsgBox "Lease Expires :  " & CStr(NewTime)
    pAdapt = Buffer2.Next
    If pAdapt <> 0 Then
        CopyMemory AdapterInfo, ByVal pAdapt, Len(AdapterInfo)
    End If

   Loop
   
End Function

--
Stuart


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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Tue Sep 21 22:03:21 2004
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 13:03:21 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Getting MAC Address
In-Reply-To: <200409220232.i8M2WxXH003528@cooper.uws.edu.au>
References: <4151599D.4174.45B9E73@lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <41517819.18435.58E4D@lexacorp.com.pg>

On 22 Sep 2004 at 12:32, Darren DICK wrote:

> If I change that line to Do While pAdapt = 0 it works as expected with
> The relevant MSGBOX's but of course it puts itself into an endless loop
> 
> Any idea why the pAdapt bit is returning 0??
> 

No idea, it works fine on this machine.

You could try dropping the loop code completely and just doing a single 
pass through. That will always return the values for the first adapter if 
you have one.



-- 
Stuart




From stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz  Tue Sep 21 22:07:53 2004
From: stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz (Stephen Bond)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 15:07:53 +1200
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Getting MAC Address
Message-ID: <70F3D727890C784291D8433E9C418F290888B1@server.bondsoftware.co.nz>

Yep, agree with that, good stuff - I have already adapted this to display on the 'debug' form in the next project.  Had to strip nulls but worth the effort ...

Stephen Bond

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Darren DICK [mailto:d.dick at uws.edu.au]
> Sent: Wednesday, 22 September 2004 2:33 p.m.
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K: Getting MAC Address
> 
> 
> Hi Stuart
> Wow this is way cool
> I have a prob though :-((
> 
>  
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Stuart McLachlan
> Sent: Wednesday, 22 September 2004 10:53 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problemsolving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K: Getting MAC Address
> 
> On 22 Sep 2004 at 10:35, Darren DICK wrote:
> 
> > Hi All
> > I have some code to get the machine name and the IP address/es but 
> > does anyone have any samples to get a MAC Address off a machine??
> >  
> Here's code to give you just about everything you could want for all
> adapters installed. (Watch for wrap)
> 
> The  "Physical Address" returns the MAC Address
> 
> Option Compare Database
> Option Explicit
> 
> Public Const MAX_HOSTNAME_LEN = 132
> Public Const MAX_DOMAIN_NAME_LEN = 132
> Public Const MAX_SCOPE_ID_LEN = 260
> Public Const MAX_ADAPTER_NAME_LENGTH = 260 Public Const
> MAX_ADAPTER_ADDRESS_LENGTH = 8 Public Const 
> MAX_ADAPTER_DESCRIPTION_LENGTH =
> 132 Public Const ERROR_BUFFER_OVERFLOW = 111 Public Const
> MIB_IF_TYPE_ETHERNET = 1 Public Const MIB_IF_TYPE_TOKENRING = 
> 2 Public Const
> MIB_IF_TYPE_FDDI = 3 Public Const MIB_IF_TYPE_PPP = 4 Public Const
> MIB_IF_TYPE_LOOPBACK = 5 Public Const MIB_IF_TYPE_SLIP = 6
> 
> Type IP_ADDR_STRING
>     Next As Long
>     IpAddress As String * 16
>     IpMask As String * 16
>     Context As Long
> End Type
> 
> Type IP_ADAPTER_INFO
>     Next As Long
>     ComboIndex As Long
>     AdapterName As String * MAX_ADAPTER_NAME_LENGTH
>     Description As String * MAX_ADAPTER_DESCRIPTION_LENGTH
>     AddressLength As Long
>     Address(MAX_ADAPTER_ADDRESS_LENGTH - 1) As Byte
>     Index As Long
>     Type As Long
>     DhcpEnabled As Long
>     CurrentIpAddress As Long
>     IpAddressList As IP_ADDR_STRING
>     GatewayList As IP_ADDR_STRING
>     DhcpServer As IP_ADDR_STRING
>     HaveWins As Boolean
>     PrimaryWinsServer As IP_ADDR_STRING
>     SecondaryWinsServer As IP_ADDR_STRING
>     LeaseObtained As Long
>     LeaseExpires As Long
> End Type
> 
> Type FIXED_INFO
>     HostName As String * MAX_HOSTNAME_LEN
>     DomainName As String * MAX_DOMAIN_NAME_LEN
>     CurrentDnsServer As Long
>     DnsServerList As IP_ADDR_STRING
>     NodeType As Long
>     ScopeId  As String * MAX_SCOPE_ID_LEN
>     EnableRouting As Long
>     EnableProxy As Long
>     EnableDns As Long
> End Type
> 
> Public Declare Function GetNetworkParams Lib "IPHlpApi" 
> (FixedInfo As Any,
> pOutBufLen As Long) As Long Public Declare Function 
> GetAdaptersInfo Lib
> "IPHlpApi" (IpAdapterInfo As Any, pOutBufLen As Long) As Long 
> Public Declare
> Sub CopyMemory Lib "kernel32" Alias "RtlMoveMemory" 
> (Destination As Any,
> Source As Any, ByVal Length As Long)
> 
> Function NWInfo() As Long
>     'This example was created by George Bernier 
> (bernig at dinomail.qc.ca)
>     Dim error As Long
>     Dim FixedInfoSize As Long
>     Dim AdapterInfoSize As Long
>     Dim i As Integer
>     Dim PhysicalAddress  As String
>     Dim NewTime As Date
>     Dim AdapterInfo As IP_ADAPTER_INFO
>     Dim Adapt As IP_ADAPTER_INFO
>     Dim AddrStr As IP_ADDR_STRING
>     Dim FixedInfo As FIXED_INFO
>     Dim Buffer As IP_ADDR_STRING
>     Dim pAddrStr As Long
>     Dim pAdapt As Long
>     Dim Buffer2 As IP_ADAPTER_INFO
>     Dim FixedInfoBuffer() As Byte
>     Dim AdapterInfoBuffer() As Byte
>     
>     'Get the main IP configuration information for this 
> machine using a
> FIXED_INFO structure
>     FixedInfoSize = 0
>     error = GetNetworkParams(ByVal 0&, FixedInfoSize)
>     If error <> 0 Then
>         If error <> ERROR_BUFFER_OVERFLOW Then
>            MsgBox "GetNetworkParams sizing failed with error " & error
>            Exit Function
>         End If
>     End If
>     ReDim FixedInfoBuffer(FixedInfoSize - 1)
> 
>     error = GetNetworkParams(FixedInfoBuffer(0), FixedInfoSize)
>     If error = 0 Then
>             CopyMemory FixedInfo, FixedInfoBuffer(0), Len(FixedInfo)
>             MsgBox "Host Name:  " & FixedInfo.HostName 'host name
>             MsgBox "DNS Servers:  " & 
> FixedInfo.DnsServerList.IpAddress 'dns
> server IP
>             pAddrStr = FixedInfo.DnsServerList.Next
>             Do While pAddrStr <> 0
>                   CopyMemory Buffer, ByVal pAddrStr, Len(Buffer)
>                   MsgBox "DNS Servers:  " & Buffer.IpAddress 
> 'dns server IP
>                   pAddrStr = Buffer.Next
>             Loop
>             
>             Select Case FixedInfo.NodeType 'node type
>                        Case 1
>                                   MsgBox "Node type: Broadcast"
>                        Case 2
>                                    MsgBox "Node type: Peer to peer"
>                        Case 4
>                                     MsgBox "Node type: Mixed"
>                        Case 8
>                                     MsgBox "Node type: Hybrid"
>                        Case Else
>                                     MsgBox "Unknown node type"
>             End Select
>             
>             MsgBox "NetBIOS Scope ID:  " & FixedInfo.ScopeId 'scope ID
>             'routing
>             If FixedInfo.EnableRouting Then
>                        MsgBox "IP Routing Enabled "
>             Else
>                        MsgBox "IP Routing not enabled"
>             End If
>             ' proxy
>             If FixedInfo.EnableProxy Then
>                        MsgBox "WINS Proxy Enabled "
>             Else
>                        MsgBox "WINS Proxy not Enabled "
>             End If
>             ' netbios
>             If FixedInfo.EnableDns Then
>                       MsgBox "NetBIOS Resolution Uses DNS "
>             Else
>                       MsgBox "NetBIOS Resolution Does not use DNS  "
>             End If
>     Else
>             MsgBox "GetNetworkParams failed with error " & error
>             Exit Function
>     End If
>     
>     'Enumerate all of the adapter specific information using the
> IP_ADAPTER_INFO structure.
>     'Note:  IP_ADAPTER_INFO contains a linked list of adapter entries.
>     
>     AdapterInfoSize = 0
>     error = GetAdaptersInfo(ByVal 0&, AdapterInfoSize)
>     If error <> 0 Then
>         If error <> ERROR_BUFFER_OVERFLOW Then
>            MsgBox "GetAdaptersInfo sizing failed with error " & error
>            Exit Function
>         End If
>     End If
>    ReDim AdapterInfoBuffer(AdapterInfoSize - 1)
>  
>  ' Get actual adapter information
>    error = GetAdaptersInfo(AdapterInfoBuffer(0), AdapterInfoSize)
>    If error <> 0 Then
>       MsgBox "GetAdaptersInfo failed with error " & error
>       Exit Function
>    End If
>    CopyMemory AdapterInfo, AdapterInfoBuffer(0), Len(AdapterInfo)
>    pAdapt = AdapterInfo.Next
> 
>    Do While pAdapt <> 0
>         CopyMemory Buffer2, AdapterInfo, Len(Buffer2)
>           Select Case Buffer2.Type
>                 Case MIB_IF_TYPE_ETHERNET
>                     MsgBox "Ethernet adapter "
>                 Case MIB_IF_TYPE_TOKENRING
>                     MsgBox "Token Ring adapter "
>                 Case MIB_IF_TYPE_FDDI
>                     MsgBox "FDDI adapter "
>                 Case MIB_IF_TYPE_PPP
>                     MsgBox "PPP adapter"
>                 Case MIB_IF_TYPE_LOOPBACK
>                     MsgBox "Loopback adapter "
>                 Case MIB_IF_TYPE_SLIP
>                     MsgBox "Slip adapter "
>                 Case Else
>                     MsgBox "Other adapter "
>         End Select
>     MsgBox " AdapterName: " & Buffer2.AdapterName
>     MsgBox "AdapterDescription: " & Buffer2.Description 'adatpter name
> 
>     For i = 0 To Buffer2.AddressLength - 1
>            PhysicalAddress = PhysicalAddress & Hex(Buffer2.Address(i))
>             If i < Buffer2.AddressLength - 1 Then
>              PhysicalAddress = PhysicalAddress & "-"
>             End If
> 
>     Next
>     MsgBox "Physical Address: " & PhysicalAddress 'mac address
>     If Buffer2.DhcpEnabled Then
>             MsgBox "DHCP Enabled "
>     Else
>             MsgBox "DHCP disabled"
>     End If
> 
>     pAddrStr = Buffer2.IpAddressList.Next
>     Do While pAddrStr <> 0
>            CopyMemory Buffer, Buffer2.IpAddressList, LenB(Buffer)
>            MsgBox "IP Address: " & Buffer.IpAddress
>            MsgBox "Subnet Mask: " & Buffer.IpMask
>            pAddrStr = Buffer.Next
>            If pAddrStr <> 0 Then
>             CopyMemory Buffer2.IpAddressList, ByVal pAddrStr,
> Len(Buffer2.IpAddressList)
>            End If
>    Loop
>     MsgBox "Default Gateway: " & Buffer2.GatewayList.IpAddress
>     pAddrStr = Buffer2.GatewayList.Next
>     Do While pAddrStr <> 0
>             CopyMemory Buffer, Buffer2.GatewayList, Len(Buffer)
>             MsgBox "IP Address: " & Buffer.IpAddress
>             pAddrStr = Buffer.Next
>             If pAddrStr <> 0 Then
>             CopyMemory Buffer2.GatewayList, ByVal pAddrStr,
> Len(Buffer2.GatewayList)
>             End If
>     Loop
> 
>     MsgBox "DHCP Server: " & Buffer2.DhcpServer.IpAddress
>     MsgBox "Primary WINS Server: " & 
> Buffer2.PrimaryWinsServer.IpAddress
>     MsgBox "Secondary WINS Server: " & 
> Buffer2.SecondaryWinsServer.IpAddress
> 
>     ' Display time
>     NewTime = CDate(Adapt.LeaseObtained)
>     MsgBox "Lease Obtained: " & CStr(NewTime)
> 
>     NewTime = CDate(Adapt.LeaseExpires)
>     MsgBox "Lease Expires :  " & CStr(NewTime)
>     pAdapt = Buffer2.Next
>     If pAdapt <> 0 Then
>         CopyMemory AdapterInfo, ByVal pAdapt, Len(AdapterInfo)
>     End If
> 
>    Loop
>    
> End Function
> 
> --
> Stuart
> 
> 
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From d.dick at uws.edu.au  Tue Sep 21 22:22:52 2004
From: d.dick at uws.edu.au (Darren DICK)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 13:22:52 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Getting MAC Address
In-Reply-To: <41517819.18435.58E4D@lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <200409220323.i8M3N6XH028290@cooper.uws.edu.au>

Thanks I'll give it a go

See ya 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Wednesday, 22 September 2004 1:03 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problemsolving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K: Getting MAC Address

On 22 Sep 2004 at 12:32, Darren DICK wrote:

> If I change that line to Do While pAdapt = 0 it works as expected with 
> The relevant MSGBOX's but of course it puts itself into an endless 
> loop
> 
> Any idea why the pAdapt bit is returning 0??
> 

No idea, it works fine on this machine.

You could try dropping the loop code completely and just doing a single pass
through. That will always return the values for the first adapter if you
have one.



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From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Wed Sep 22 00:38:52 2004
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps - IT Helps)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 07:38:52 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Getting MAC Address
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF735C@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

The first adapter could be (when wrongly configured) a RAS adapter that
has no connection.
That returns a 0...

You must loop until you find the right adapter.

Erwin

-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Namens Darren DICK
Verzonden: woensdag 22 september 2004 5:23
Aan: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Onderwerp: RE: [AccessD] A2K: Getting MAC Address

Thanks I'll give it a go

See ya 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart
McLachlan
Sent: Wednesday, 22 September 2004 1:03 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problemsolving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K: Getting MAC Address

On 22 Sep 2004 at 12:32, Darren DICK wrote:

> If I change that line to Do While pAdapt = 0 it works as expected with

> The relevant MSGBOX's but of course it puts itself into an endless 
> loop
> 
> Any idea why the pAdapt bit is returning 0??
> 

No idea, it works fine on this machine.

You could try dropping the loop code completely and just doing a single
pass through. That will always return the values for the first adapter
if you have one.



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From d.dick at uws.edu.au  Wed Sep 22 00:54:29 2004
From: d.dick at uws.edu.au (Darren DICK)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 15:54:29 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Getting MAC Address
In-Reply-To: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF735C@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
Message-ID: <200409220554.i8M5sYXH002318@cooper.uws.edu.au>

Thanks Irwin
I removed the loop set
It now works fine
Many thanks to all
Especially Stuart

See y'all

DD
 

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Erwin Craps - IT
Helps
Sent: Wednesday, 22 September 2004 3:39 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K: Getting MAC Address

The first adapter could be (when wrongly configured) a RAS adapter that has
no connection.
That returns a 0...

You must loop until you find the right adapter.

Erwin

-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Namens Darren DICK
Verzonden: woensdag 22 september 2004 5:23
Aan: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Onderwerp: RE: [AccessD] A2K: Getting MAC Address

Thanks I'll give it a go

See ya 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Wednesday, 22 September 2004 1:03 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problemsolving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K: Getting MAC Address

On 22 Sep 2004 at 12:32, Darren DICK wrote:

> If I change that line to Do While pAdapt = 0 it works as expected with

> The relevant MSGBOX's but of course it puts itself into an endless 
> loop
> 
> Any idea why the pAdapt bit is returning 0??
> 

No idea, it works fine on this machine.

You could try dropping the loop code completely and just doing a single pass
through. That will always return the values for the first adapter if you
have one.



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From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Sep 22 04:47:21 2004
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 11:47:21 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] ADPs  in the future
In-Reply-To: <4150A1F5.3050506@shaw.ca>
References: <5.2.0.9.0.20040922082307.00bd8790@mail.dalyn.co.nz>
	<4150A1F5.3050506@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <377660415.20040922114721@cactus.dk>

Hi Marty

Though I haven't played with the "Express" versions, this sounds
interesting. I have, however, no idea why "CLR assemblies and complex
data types" would require a complete rewrite, so could you please
spell out for SQL 2005 dummies like me, what this message means?

What I read is that an Access ADP cannot - and will not be able to -
work with SQL 2005 ... I guess "SQLS 2000 compatibility mode" is not
something you can turn on and off but something you choose at
installation time.

/gustav


> Just in passing concerning future design
> about ADP's from Access 2003 on down that will not play fair with SQL 
> Server 2005 Express (replacement for MSDE).

>  Re: Access 2002 and SQL Express
>  From:  "Mary Chipman [MSFT]" <mchip at online.microsoft.com> Sent:  
> 8/20/2004 11:30:58 AM

> You will not be able to use any of the designers with SQLS 2005
> databases, whether it's SQL Express or the Developer edition. IOW, you
> won't be able to create databases, tables, views or any other database
> objects from an ADP. The only support that is envisioned is that you
> will be able to connect an Access front-end to a SQLS 2005 back end if
> it is running in SQLS 2000 compatibility mode, so your forms, reports
> and other local Access objects should still run. There is no service
> pack or quick fix being planned as far as I know because of the amount
> of work it would entail. If you stop to think about it, it's pretty
> hard to see how accomodating new Yukon features like CLR assemblies
> and complex data types in the ADP designers could be achieved without
> a complete rewrite.

> --Mary Chipman

> -- 
> Marty Connelly
> Victoria, B.C.
> Canada



From Rich_Lavsa at pghcorning.com  Wed Sep 22 06:38:41 2004
From: Rich_Lavsa at pghcorning.com (Lavsa, Rich)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 07:38:41 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: send email receive fax
Message-ID: <833956F5C117124A89417638FDB11290EBD2AC@goexchange.pghcorning.com>

Hello all listers,

I am just looking for software/service suggestions from anyone who has used
anything that takes a simple email and processes it and sends it to a fax
phone number.  Whether is was used as an integrated part of your exchange
server, or if it was a service you simply send an email to and they take
care of sending it as a fax which contains the body and attachments of the
email.

Any suggestions would be appreciated.  Currently I'm testing
www.send2fax.com 's software.  Seems to be ok so far.. But still looking for
suggestions on anything anyone has working reliably for a period of time.

Thanks,
Rich


From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Wed Sep 22 07:58:48 2004
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps - IT Helps)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 14:58:48 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] OT: send email receive fax
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF0ADBFA@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

GFI faxmaker 
http://www.gfi.com/

It's not the best  but I  been using it for 4 years now and works pretty
fine for a reasonable price.

Sending a fax is trugh E-mail client. 

The to address forms like this

[FAX:Erwin Craps at IT HELPS at +3216296405]

You can include .FAX, .XLS, .PDF attachement to your E-mail and it will
be faxed from the exchange server....


Erwin

 

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lavsa, Rich
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 1:39 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] OT: send email receive fax

Hello all listers,

I am just looking for software/service suggestions from anyone who has
used anything that takes a simple email and processes it and sends it to
a fax phone number.  Whether is was used as an integrated part of your
exchange server, or if it was a service you simply send an email to and
they take care of sending it as a fax which contains the body and
attachments of the email.

Any suggestions would be appreciated.  Currently I'm testing
www.send2fax.com 's software.  Seems to be ok so far.. But still looking
for suggestions on anything anyone has working reliably for a period of
time.

Thanks,
Rich
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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Wed Sep 22 08:18:46 2004
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 08:18:46 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] ADPs  in the future
In-Reply-To: <15910694.1095847442624.JavaMail.root@sniper5.usinternet.com>
Message-ID: <001201c4a0a6$b1529090$de1811d8@danwaters>

Hello to All,

Well, I am now confused.  I have read that Access 2003, as an ADP, includes
a builder for stored procedures.  Why would MS add this feature to a product
if it can't be used?

There has to be more to this story.

Dan Waters

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 4:47 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] ADPs in the future

Hi Marty

Though I haven't played with the "Express" versions, this sounds
interesting. I have, however, no idea why "CLR assemblies and complex
data types" would require a complete rewrite, so could you please
spell out for SQL 2005 dummies like me, what this message means?

What I read is that an Access ADP cannot - and will not be able to -
work with SQL 2005 ... I guess "SQLS 2000 compatibility mode" is not
something you can turn on and off but something you choose at
installation time.

/gustav


> Just in passing concerning future design
> about ADP's from Access 2003 on down that will not play fair with SQL 
> Server 2005 Express (replacement for MSDE).

>  Re: Access 2002 and SQL Express
>  From:  "Mary Chipman [MSFT]" <mchip at online.microsoft.com> Sent:  
> 8/20/2004 11:30:58 AM

> You will not be able to use any of the designers with SQLS 2005
> databases, whether it's SQL Express or the Developer edition. IOW, you
> won't be able to create databases, tables, views or any other database
> objects from an ADP. The only support that is envisioned is that you
> will be able to connect an Access front-end to a SQLS 2005 back end if
> it is running in SQLS 2000 compatibility mode, so your forms, reports
> and other local Access objects should still run. There is no service
> pack or quick fix being planned as far as I know because of the amount
> of work it would entail. If you stop to think about it, it's pretty
> hard to see how accomodating new Yukon features like CLR assemblies
> and complex data types in the ADP designers could be achieved without
> a complete rewrite.

> --Mary Chipman

> -- 
> Marty Connelly
> Victoria, B.C.
> Canada

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From jimdettman at earthlink.net  Wed Sep 22 09:27:01 2004
From: jimdettman at earthlink.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 10:27:01 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] ADPs  in the future
In-Reply-To: <4150A1F5.3050506@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <NEBBKADGELICHEJJCKGKIEPLKEAA.jimdettman@earthlink.net>


  If I'm not mistaken, Martin alluded to this some time ago, basically
making the statement that the Access world was going to have a serious
departure from SQL within the next version or two and there would be a lot
of unhappy folks.

  Looks like its about to happen.

Jim
(315) 699-3443
jimdettman at earthlink.net

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 5:50 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] ADPs in the future


Just in passing concerning future design
about ADP's from Access 2003 on down that will not play fair with SQL
Server 2005 Express (replacement for MSDE).

 Re: Access 2002 and SQL Express
 From:  "Mary Chipman [MSFT]" <mchip at online.microsoft.com> Sent:
8/20/2004 11:30:58 AM

You will not be able to use any of the designers with SQLS 2005
databases, whether it's SQL Express or the Developer edition. IOW, you
won't be able to create databases, tables, views or any other database
objects from an ADP. The only support that is envisioned is that you
will be able to connect an Access front-end to a SQLS 2005 back end if
it is running in SQLS 2000 compatibility mode, so your forms, reports
and other local Access objects should still run. There is no service
pack or quick fix being planned as far as I know because of the amount
of work it would entail. If you stop to think about it, it's pretty
hard to see how accomodating new Yukon features like CLR assemblies
and complex data types in the ADP designers could be achieved without
a complete rewrite.

--Mary Chipman

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From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Wed Sep 22 08:37:43 2004
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 14:37:43 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] ADPs  in the future
References: <001201c4a0a6$b1529090$de1811d8@danwaters>
Message-ID: <000f01c4a0a9$5672fc70$9111758f@aine>

The problem has been know about for some time. SQL Server 2005 is a major 
rewrite and at the time they began development they decided they would not 
provide access to its features from Access and ADPs mainly becasue they view 
Access as a power user application - STILL. Lot of .NET stuff built into 
SQLS erver 2005 and they figured it wasnt worth the cost or effort to 
rewrite the ADP functionality in Access to deal with this.

The next version of Access is being previewed in the UK at a user group 
meeting on 11 Nov. According to the publicity they (MS)have rebuilt the 
Access dev team including a new prroduct manager and it is believed major 
changes are being worked on.

I remember replying to that email from Mary Chipman on an MS Newsgroup 
saying this was one of Microsofts more stupid ideas. I also recollect 
telling the Access project manager the same thing at least a year ago.

Martin




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dan Waters" <dwaters at usinternet.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 2:18 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] ADPs in the future


> Hello to All,
>
> Well, I am now confused.  I have read that Access 2003, as an ADP, 
> includes
> a builder for stored procedures.  Why would MS add this feature to a 
> product
> if it can't be used?
>
> There has to be more to this story.
>
> Dan Waters
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
> Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 4:47 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] ADPs in the future
>
> Hi Marty
>
> Though I haven't played with the "Express" versions, this sounds
> interesting. I have, however, no idea why "CLR assemblies and complex
> data types" would require a complete rewrite, so could you please
> spell out for SQL 2005 dummies like me, what this message means?
>
> What I read is that an Access ADP cannot - and will not be able to -
> work with SQL 2005 ... I guess "SQLS 2000 compatibility mode" is not
> something you can turn on and off but something you choose at
> installation time.
>
> /gustav
>
>
>> Just in passing concerning future design
>> about ADP's from Access 2003 on down that will not play fair with SQL
>> Server 2005 Express (replacement for MSDE).
>
>>  Re: Access 2002 and SQL Express
>>  From:  "Mary Chipman [MSFT]" <mchip at online.microsoft.com> Sent:
>> 8/20/2004 11:30:58 AM
>
>> You will not be able to use any of the designers with SQLS 2005
>> databases, whether it's SQL Express or the Developer edition. IOW, you
>> won't be able to create databases, tables, views or any other database
>> objects from an ADP. The only support that is envisioned is that you
>> will be able to connect an Access front-end to a SQLS 2005 back end if
>> it is running in SQLS 2000 compatibility mode, so your forms, reports
>> and other local Access objects should still run. There is no service
>> pack or quick fix being planned as far as I know because of the amount
>> of work it would entail. If you stop to think about it, it's pretty
>> hard to see how accomodating new Yukon features like CLR assemblies
>> and complex data types in the ADP designers could be achieved without
>> a complete rewrite.
>
>> --Mary Chipman
>
>> -- 
>> Marty Connelly
>> Victoria, B.C.
>> Canada
>
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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Wed Sep 22 10:01:58 2004
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 10:01:58 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] ADPs  in the future
In-Reply-To: <15366821.1095864657480.JavaMail.root@sniper8.usinternet.com>
Message-ID: <001601c4a0b5$1bcb2780$de1811d8@danwaters>

Martin,

Thanks for the info.

Will it be possible for you to let us know what the changes are planned for
Access after 11 Nov?  I'll pace around till then . . . .

Thanks Again,
Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Martin Reid
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 8:38 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] ADPs in the future

The problem has been know about for some time. SQL Server 2005 is a major 
rewrite and at the time they began development they decided they would not 
provide access to its features from Access and ADPs mainly becasue they view

Access as a power user application - STILL. Lot of .NET stuff built into 
SQLS erver 2005 and they figured it wasnt worth the cost or effort to 
rewrite the ADP functionality in Access to deal with this.

The next version of Access is being previewed in the UK at a user group 
meeting on 11 Nov. According to the publicity they (MS)have rebuilt the 
Access dev team including a new prroduct manager and it is believed major 
changes are being worked on.

I remember replying to that email from Mary Chipman on an MS Newsgroup 
saying this was one of Microsofts more stupid ideas. I also recollect 
telling the Access project manager the same thing at least a year ago.

Martin




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dan Waters" <dwaters at usinternet.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 2:18 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] ADPs in the future


> Hello to All,
>
> Well, I am now confused.  I have read that Access 2003, as an ADP, 
> includes
> a builder for stored procedures.  Why would MS add this feature to a 
> product
> if it can't be used?
>
> There has to be more to this story.
>
> Dan Waters
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
> Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 4:47 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] ADPs in the future
>
> Hi Marty
>
> Though I haven't played with the "Express" versions, this sounds
> interesting. I have, however, no idea why "CLR assemblies and complex
> data types" would require a complete rewrite, so could you please
> spell out for SQL 2005 dummies like me, what this message means?
>
> What I read is that an Access ADP cannot - and will not be able to -
> work with SQL 2005 ... I guess "SQLS 2000 compatibility mode" is not
> something you can turn on and off but something you choose at
> installation time.
>
> /gustav
>
>
>> Just in passing concerning future design
>> about ADP's from Access 2003 on down that will not play fair with SQL
>> Server 2005 Express (replacement for MSDE).
>
>>  Re: Access 2002 and SQL Express
>>  From:  "Mary Chipman [MSFT]" <mchip at online.microsoft.com> Sent:
>> 8/20/2004 11:30:58 AM
>
>> You will not be able to use any of the designers with SQLS 2005
>> databases, whether it's SQL Express or the Developer edition. IOW, you
>> won't be able to create databases, tables, views or any other database
>> objects from an ADP. The only support that is envisioned is that you
>> will be able to connect an Access front-end to a SQLS 2005 back end if
>> it is running in SQLS 2000 compatibility mode, so your forms, reports
>> and other local Access objects should still run. There is no service
>> pack or quick fix being planned as far as I know because of the amount
>> of work it would entail. If you stop to think about it, it's pretty
>> hard to see how accomodating new Yukon features like CLR assemblies
>> and complex data types in the ADP designers could be achieved without
>> a complete rewrite.
>
>> --Mary Chipman
>
>> -- 
>> Marty Connelly
>> Victoria, B.C.
>> Canada
>
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From Developer at UltraDNT.com  Wed Sep 22 10:08:04 2004
From: Developer at UltraDNT.com (Steve Conklin (Developer@UltraDNT))
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 11:08:04 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] ADPs  in the future
In-Reply-To: <000f01c4a0a9$5672fc70$9111758f@aine>
Message-ID: <004a01c4a0b5$f5a65560$0200a8c0@COA3>

Is it known yet - will Office VBA become .Net next Office/Access version
(or VSTO expanded to include Access)?  
If so, the ADP issue doesn't seem to matter that much, imo, since SQL
will support .net in sp's, then what was a module can then run on the
server.  That's where the performance bottleneck is for me; linked
tables on a 100 mbit LAN runs fast enough that I don't get complaints
about that.


Steve



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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Martin Reid
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 9:38 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] ADPs in the future


The problem has been know about for some time. SQL Server 2005 is a
major 
rewrite and at the time they began development they decided they would
not 
provide access to its features from Access and ADPs mainly becasue they
view 
Access as a power user application - STILL. Lot of .NET stuff built into

SQLS erver 2005 and they figured it wasnt worth the cost or effort to 
rewrite the ADP functionality in Access to deal with this.

The next version of Access is being previewed in the UK at a user group 
meeting on 11 Nov. According to the publicity they (MS)have rebuilt the 
Access dev team including a new prroduct manager and it is believed
major 
changes are being worked on.

I remember replying to that email from Mary Chipman on an MS Newsgroup 
saying this was one of Microsofts more stupid ideas. I also recollect 
telling the Access project manager the same thing at least a year ago.

Martin




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dan Waters" <dwaters at usinternet.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 2:18 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] ADPs in the future


> Hello to All,
>
> Well, I am now confused.  I have read that Access 2003, as an ADP,
> includes
> a builder for stored procedures.  Why would MS add this feature to a 
> product
> if it can't be used?
>
> There has to be more to this story.
>
> Dan Waters
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav 
> Brock
> Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 4:47 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] ADPs in the future
>
> Hi Marty
>
> Though I haven't played with the "Express" versions, this sounds 
> interesting. I have, however, no idea why "CLR assemblies and complex 
> data types" would require a complete rewrite, so could you please 
> spell out for SQL 2005 dummies like me, what this message means?
>
> What I read is that an Access ADP cannot - and will not be able to - 
> work with SQL 2005 ... I guess "SQLS 2000 compatibility mode" is not 
> something you can turn on and off but something you choose at 
> installation time.
>
> /gustav
>
>
>> Just in passing concerning future design
>> about ADP's from Access 2003 on down that will not play fair with SQL

>> Server 2005 Express (replacement for MSDE).
>
>>  Re: Access 2002 and SQL Express
>>  From:  "Mary Chipman [MSFT]" <mchip at online.microsoft.com> Sent: 
>> 8/20/2004 11:30:58 AM
>
>> You will not be able to use any of the designers with SQLS 2005 
>> databases, whether it's SQL Express or the Developer edition. IOW, 
>> you won't be able to create databases, tables, views or any other 
>> database objects from an ADP. The only support that is envisioned is 
>> that you will be able to connect an Access front-end to a SQLS 2005 
>> back end if it is running in SQLS 2000 compatibility mode, so your 
>> forms, reports and other local Access objects should still run. There

>> is no service pack or quick fix being planned as far as I know 
>> because of the amount of work it would entail. If you stop to think 
>> about it, it's pretty hard to see how accomodating new Yukon features

>> like CLR assemblies and complex data types in the ADP designers could

>> be achieved without a complete rewrite.
>
>> --Mary Chipman
>
>> --
>> Marty Connelly
>> Victoria, B.C.
>> Canada
>
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed Sep 22 10:36:08 2004
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 08:36:08 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] ADPs  in the future
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312A70@infoserver01.infostat.local>

CLR is the common language runtime, the lingua franca that managed code
is compiled into in VS.Net.  They would have to rewrite the ADP
designers to speak .Net, and that apparently is not in the works.

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 2:47 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] ADPs in the future


Hi Marty

Though I haven't played with the "Express" versions, this sounds
interesting. I have, however, no idea why "CLR assemblies and complex
data types" would require a complete rewrite, so could you please spell
out for SQL 2005 dummies like me, what this message means?

What I read is that an Access ADP cannot - and will not be able to -
work with SQL 2005 ... I guess "SQLS 2000 compatibility mode" is not
something you can turn on and off but something you choose at
installation time.

/gustav


> Just in passing concerning future design
> about ADP's from Access 2003 on down that will not play fair with SQL
> Server 2005 Express (replacement for MSDE).

>  Re: Access 2002 and SQL Express
>  From:  "Mary Chipman [MSFT]" <mchip at online.microsoft.com> Sent:
> 8/20/2004 11:30:58 AM

> You will not be able to use any of the designers with SQLS 2005 
> databases, whether it's SQL Express or the Developer edition. IOW, you

> won't be able to create databases, tables, views or any other database

> objects from an ADP. The only support that is envisioned is that you 
> will be able to connect an Access front-end to a SQLS 2005 back end if

> it is running in SQLS 2000 compatibility mode, so your forms, reports 
> and other local Access objects should still run. There is no service 
> pack or quick fix being planned as far as I know because of the amount

> of work it would entail. If you stop to think about it, it's pretty 
> hard to see how accomodating new Yukon features like CLR assemblies 
> and complex data types in the ADP designers could be achieved without 
> a complete rewrite.

> --Mary Chipman

> --
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> Victoria, B.C.
> Canada

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed Sep 22 10:37:18 2004
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 08:37:18 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] ADPs  in the future
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312A71@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Access 2003 is designed to work with SQL Server 2000, not the next
version of SQL Server.

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Waters [mailto:dwaters at usinternet.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 6:19 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] ADPs in the future


Hello to All,

Well, I am now confused.  I have read that Access 2003, as an ADP,
includes a builder for stored procedures.  Why would MS add this feature
to a product if it can't be used?

There has to be more to this story.

Dan Waters

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 4:47 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] ADPs in the future

Hi Marty

Though I haven't played with the "Express" versions, this sounds
interesting. I have, however, no idea why "CLR assemblies and complex
data types" would require a complete rewrite, so could you please spell
out for SQL 2005 dummies like me, what this message means?

What I read is that an Access ADP cannot - and will not be able to -
work with SQL 2005 ... I guess "SQLS 2000 compatibility mode" is not
something you can turn on and off but something you choose at
installation time.

/gustav


> Just in passing concerning future design
> about ADP's from Access 2003 on down that will not play fair with SQL
> Server 2005 Express (replacement for MSDE).

>  Re: Access 2002 and SQL Express
>  From:  "Mary Chipman [MSFT]" <mchip at online.microsoft.com> Sent:
> 8/20/2004 11:30:58 AM

> You will not be able to use any of the designers with SQLS 2005 
> databases, whether it's SQL Express or the Developer edition. IOW, you

> won't be able to create databases, tables, views or any other database

> objects from an ADP. The only support that is envisioned is that you 
> will be able to connect an Access front-end to a SQLS 2005 back end if

> it is running in SQLS 2000 compatibility mode, so your forms, reports 
> and other local Access objects should still run. There is no service 
> pack or quick fix being planned as far as I know because of the amount

> of work it would entail. If you stop to think about it, it's pretty 
> hard to see how accomodating new Yukon features like CLR assemblies 
> and complex data types in the ADP designers could be achieved without 
> a complete rewrite.

> --Mary Chipman

> --
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> Victoria, B.C.
> Canada

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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Wed Sep 22 11:04:15 2004
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 17:04:15 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT: send email receive fax
In-Reply-To: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF0ADBFA@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
Message-ID: <009d01c4a0bd$cef25e70$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25>

Or Zetafax, see http://www.equisys.com , which integrates with Outlook and
Exchange Server. You pick an address from your Outlook address book and if
it is a fax number rather than an email address it gets faxed. Alternatively
you can just type in a fax number inoto Zetafax's own client. And like
Erwin's suggestion it takes PDF attachments and a few other sorts.

-- Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Erwin Craps - IT Helps
> Sent: 22 September 2004 13:59
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: send email receive fax
> 
> 
> GFI faxmaker 
> http://www.gfi.com/
> 
> It's not the best  but I  been using it for 4 years now and 
> works pretty fine for a reasonable price.
> 
> Sending a fax is trugh E-mail client. 
> 
> The to address forms like this
> 
> [FAX:Erwin Craps at IT HELPS at +3216296405]
> 
> You can include .FAX, .XLS, .PDF attachement to your E-mail 
> and it will be faxed from the exchange server....
> 
> 
> Erwin
> 
>  
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lavsa, Rich
> Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 1:39 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: [AccessD] OT: send email receive fax
> 
> Hello all listers,
> 
> I am just looking for software/service suggestions from 
> anyone who has used anything that takes a simple email and 
> processes it and sends it to a fax phone number.  Whether is 
> was used as an integrated part of your exchange server, or if 
> it was a service you simply send an email to and they take 
> care of sending it as a fax which contains the body and 
> attachments of the email.
> 
> Any suggestions would be appreciated.  Currently I'm testing 
> www.send2fax.com 's software.  Seems to be ok so far.. But 
> still looking for suggestions on anything anyone has working 
> reliably for a period of time.
> 
> Thanks,
> Rich
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From clh at christopherhawkins.com  Wed Sep 22 13:44:23 2004
From: clh at christopherhawkins.com (Christopher Hawkins)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 12:44:23 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Operation must use an updatable query...and it does.
Message-ID: <13680-220049322184423717@christopherhawkins.com>

This is weird.

I'm refitting an Access 2000 app that a client of mine wrote to run
his business.  One of the issues that has recently started happening
(after the client exported all the objects from a corrupted MDB into
a fresh MDB container) is that a query being run from a form triggers
the following error:

"Operation must use an updatable query"

Here is the code that is firing the query:

[code]  

DoCmd.SetWarnings False
DoCmd.OpenQuery "qryUpdateNotesCount"
DoCmd.SetWarnings True

[/code]

Primitive, but OK.  I figure the query is written incorrectly or has
recently been changed, and prepare myself to go clean it up/fix it. 
But here's the kicker:

1) This exact code - and this exact query - has been running fine for
years.  I can dig up previous versions of the app with this code and
query in them, and this line of code executes just fine.

2) If I actually go to the queries tab and double-click
qryUpdateNoteCount, it works just fine, even immediately after trying
to execute that code and throwing an error.

So now I'm scratching my head.  This is very perplexing.  This is the
only build of the app in which this line of code errors out.  Yet, I
can manually execute the query just fine in this build.  Even worse,
it only fails on some machines.  Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over?  This
used to work on every machine in the house.  

Here is the syntax of the query:

[code]

UPDATE Job SET Job.JobNotes = DCount("Note","tblNotes","JobID =" &
[forms]![frmfcod]![jobid])
WHERE (((Job.JobID)=[Forms]![frmFcod]![JobID]));
[/code]

I decompiled, recompiled, compacted & repaired.  No change.

I am considering going through the app and replacing this line of
code with something else to update this field.  But I'm loathe to do
so until I understand why the failure is occurring to start with.

Any ideas?

-Christopher Hawkins, the Great and Terrible-
Respectfully,

Christopher Hawkins
Software Developer
(559) 687-7591
http://www.christopherhawkins.com




From bchacc at san.rr.com  Wed Sep 22 14:11:49 2004
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 12:11:49 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Operation must use an updatable query...and it does.
References: <13680-220049322184423717@christopherhawkins.com>
Message-ID: <03e001c4a0d8$035e7a80$6601a8c0@HAL9002>

So when you go to the query itself it runs OK?  

I the code you're using identical to the SQL view in the query window?

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Christopher Hawkins" <clh at christopherhawkins.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 11:44 AM
Subject: [AccessD] Operation must use an updatable query...and it does.


> This is weird.
> 
> I'm refitting an Access 2000 app that a client of mine wrote to run
> his business.  One of the issues that has recently started happening
> (after the client exported all the objects from a corrupted MDB into
> a fresh MDB container) is that a query being run from a form triggers
> the following error:
> 
> "Operation must use an updatable query"
> 
> Here is the code that is firing the query:
> 
> [code]  
> 
> DoCmd.SetWarnings False
> DoCmd.OpenQuery "qryUpdateNotesCount"
> DoCmd.SetWarnings True
> 
> [/code]
> 
> Primitive, but OK.  I figure the query is written incorrectly or has
> recently been changed, and prepare myself to go clean it up/fix it. 
> But here's the kicker:
> 
> 1) This exact code - and this exact query - has been running fine for
> years.  I can dig up previous versions of the app with this code and
> query in them, and this line of code executes just fine.
> 
> 2) If I actually go to the queries tab and double-click
> qryUpdateNoteCount, it works just fine, even immediately after trying
> to execute that code and throwing an error.
> 
> So now I'm scratching my head.  This is very perplexing.  This is the
> only build of the app in which this line of code errors out.  Yet, I
> can manually execute the query just fine in this build.  Even worse,
> it only fails on some machines.  Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over?  This
> used to work on every machine in the house.  
> 
> Here is the syntax of the query:
> 
> [code]
> 
> UPDATE Job SET Job.JobNotes = DCount("Note","tblNotes","JobID =" &
> [forms]![frmfcod]![jobid])
> WHERE (((Job.JobID)=[Forms]![frmFcod]![JobID]));
> [/code]
> 
> I decompiled, recompiled, compacted & repaired.  No change.
> 
> I am considering going through the app and replacing this line of
> code with something else to update this field.  But I'm loathe to do
> so until I understand why the failure is occurring to start with.
> 
> Any ideas?
> 
> -Christopher Hawkins, the Great and Terrible-
> Respectfully,
> 
> Christopher Hawkins
> Software Developer
> (559) 687-7591
> http://www.christopherhawkins.com
> 
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From davide at dalyn.co.nz  Wed Sep 22 14:22:47 2004
From: davide at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 07:22:47 +1200
Subject: [AccessD] Operation must use an updatable query...and it  does.
In-Reply-To: <03e001c4a0d8$035e7a80$6601a8c0@HAL9002>
References: <13680-220049322184423717@christopherhawkins.com>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20040923072018.00bb4d80@mail.dalyn.co.nz>

Just a very long shot, but does the Job table have a primary key?  I have 
found using SQL2000 that a recordset is only updateable via a form if the 
table has a primary key.  I don't know if this is relevant in your situation.

Regards

David Emerson
Dalyn Software Ltd
25 Cunliffe St, Churton Park
Wellington, New Zealand
Ph/Fax (04) 478-7456
Mobile 027-280-9348

At 22/09/2004, you wrote:
>So when you go to the query itself it runs OK?
>
>I the code you're using identical to the SQL view in the query window?
>
>Rocky
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Christopher Hawkins" <clh at christopherhawkins.com>
>To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 11:44 AM
>Subject: [AccessD] Operation must use an updatable query...and it does.
>
>
> > This is weird.
> >
> > I'm refitting an Access 2000 app that a client of mine wrote to run
> > his business.  One of the issues that has recently started happening
> > (after the client exported all the objects from a corrupted MDB into
> > a fresh MDB container) is that a query being run from a form triggers
> > the following error:
> >
> > "Operation must use an updatable query"
> >
> > Here is the code that is firing the query:
> >
> > [code]
> >
> > DoCmd.SetWarnings False
> > DoCmd.OpenQuery "qryUpdateNotesCount"
> > DoCmd.SetWarnings True
> >
> > [/code]
> >
> > Primitive, but OK.  I figure the query is written incorrectly or has
> > recently been changed, and prepare myself to go clean it up/fix it.
> > But here's the kicker:
> >
> > 1) This exact code - and this exact query - has been running fine for
> > years.  I can dig up previous versions of the app with this code and
> > query in them, and this line of code executes just fine.
> >
> > 2) If I actually go to the queries tab and double-click
> > qryUpdateNoteCount, it works just fine, even immediately after trying
> > to execute that code and throwing an error.
> >
> > So now I'm scratching my head.  This is very perplexing.  This is the
> > only build of the app in which this line of code errors out.  Yet, I
> > can manually execute the query just fine in this build.  Even worse,
> > it only fails on some machines.  Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over?  This
> > used to work on every machine in the house.
> >
> > Here is the syntax of the query:
> >
> > [code]
> >
> > UPDATE Job SET Job.JobNotes = DCount("Note","tblNotes","JobID =" &
> > [forms]![frmfcod]![jobid])
> > WHERE (((Job.JobID)=[Forms]![frmFcod]![JobID]));
> > [/code]
> >
> > I decompiled, recompiled, compacted & repaired.  No change.
> >
> > I am considering going through the app and replacing this line of
> > code with something else to update this field.  But I'm loathe to do
> > so until I understand why the failure is occurring to start with.
> >
> > Any ideas?
> >
> > -Christopher Hawkins, the Great and Terrible-
> > Respectfully,
> >
> > Christopher Hawkins
> > Software Developer
> > (559) 687-7591
> > http://www.christopherhawkins.com



From jimdettman at earthlink.net  Wed Sep 22 14:35:13 2004
From: jimdettman at earthlink.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 15:35:13 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Operation must use an updatable query...and it does.
In-Reply-To: <13680-220049322184423717@christopherhawkins.com>
Message-ID: <NEBBKADGELICHEJJCKGKCEBIKFAA.jimdettman@earthlink.net>

Chris,

  make sure your up to date on SP's for JET and MDAC.

Jim Dettman
President,
Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
(315) 699-3443
jimdettman at earthlink.net 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Christopher
Hawkins
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 2:44 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Operation must use an updatable query...and it does.


This is weird.

I'm refitting an Access 2000 app that a client of mine wrote to run
his business.  One of the issues that has recently started happening
(after the client exported all the objects from a corrupted MDB into
a fresh MDB container) is that a query being run from a form triggers
the following error:

"Operation must use an updatable query"

Here is the code that is firing the query:

[code]  

DoCmd.SetWarnings False
DoCmd.OpenQuery "qryUpdateNotesCount"
DoCmd.SetWarnings True

[/code]

Primitive, but OK.  I figure the query is written incorrectly or has
recently been changed, and prepare myself to go clean it up/fix it. 
But here's the kicker:

1) This exact code - and this exact query - has been running fine for
years.  I can dig up previous versions of the app with this code and
query in them, and this line of code executes just fine.

2) If I actually go to the queries tab and double-click
qryUpdateNoteCount, it works just fine, even immediately after trying
to execute that code and throwing an error.

So now I'm scratching my head.  This is very perplexing.  This is the
only build of the app in which this line of code errors out.  Yet, I
can manually execute the query just fine in this build.  Even worse,
it only fails on some machines.  Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over?  This
used to work on every machine in the house.  

Here is the syntax of the query:

[code]

UPDATE Job SET Job.JobNotes = DCount("Note","tblNotes","JobID =" &
[forms]![frmfcod]![jobid])
WHERE (((Job.JobID)=[Forms]![frmFcod]![JobID]));
[/code]

I decompiled, recompiled, compacted & repaired.  No change.

I am considering going through the app and replacing this line of
code with something else to update this field.  But I'm loathe to do
so until I understand why the failure is occurring to start with.

Any ideas?

-Christopher Hawkins, the Great and Terrible-
Respectfully,

Christopher Hawkins
Software Developer
(559) 687-7591
http://www.christopherhawkins.com


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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed Sep 22 15:19:34 2004
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 13:19:34 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Operation must use an updatable query...and it does.
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312A75@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Try adding the Distinctrow keyword to SQL.  

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Christopher Hawkins [mailto:clh at christopherhawkins.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 11:44 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Operation must use an updatable query...and it does.


This is weird.

I'm refitting an Access 2000 app that a client of mine wrote to run his
business.  One of the issues that has recently started happening (after
the client exported all the objects from a corrupted MDB into a fresh
MDB container) is that a query being run from a form triggers the
following error:

"Operation must use an updatable query"

Here is the code that is firing the query:

[code]  

DoCmd.SetWarnings False
DoCmd.OpenQuery "qryUpdateNotesCount"
DoCmd.SetWarnings True

[/code]

Primitive, but OK.  I figure the query is written incorrectly or has
recently been changed, and prepare myself to go clean it up/fix it. 
But here's the kicker:

1) This exact code - and this exact query - has been running fine for
years.  I can dig up previous versions of the app with this code and
query in them, and this line of code executes just fine.

2) If I actually go to the queries tab and double-click
qryUpdateNoteCount, it works just fine, even immediately after trying to
execute that code and throwing an error.

So now I'm scratching my head.  This is very perplexing.  This is the
only build of the app in which this line of code errors out.  Yet, I can
manually execute the query just fine in this build.  Even worse, it only
fails on some machines.  Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over?  This used to work
on every machine in the house.  

Here is the syntax of the query:

[code]

UPDATE Job SET Job.JobNotes = DCount("Note","tblNotes","JobID =" &
[forms]![frmfcod]![jobid])
WHERE (((Job.JobID)=[Forms]![frmFcod]![JobID]));
[/code]

I decompiled, recompiled, compacted & repaired.  No change.

I am considering going through the app and replacing this line of code
with something else to update this field.  But I'm loathe to do so until
I understand why the failure is occurring to start with.

Any ideas?

-Christopher Hawkins, the Great and Terrible-
Respectfully,

Christopher Hawkins
Software Developer
(559) 687-7591
http://www.christopherhawkins.com


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From skirlic at tbmc.com  Wed Sep 22 15:37:04 2004
From: skirlic at tbmc.com (Sead Kirlic)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 15:37:04 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Overflow
Message-ID: <B0068582447@mail8.nshosts.com>

I need help on this one.

One of reports in my database will not open. Message I receive is
"Overflow". There are total of 6 reports and 5 of them are OK.

 

Sezak99

 



From carlo at xsit.nl  Wed Sep 22 17:41:03 2004
From: carlo at xsit.nl (Carlo van der Zon (Access IT Training))
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 00:41:03 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Create ADE from ADP
Message-ID: <844F188BB505654DBCF15C4B24106C101D4D05@headcon.headit.nl>

Hi Group,

I have fine working ADP, but how to create an ADE?  Access tells me it's
not possible. 

Thanks
Carlo


From roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk  Thu Sep 23 03:32:46 2004
From: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk (Roz Clarke)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 09:32:46 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] ADPs - accessing SQL Views
Message-ID: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C8318805CED4D7@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>

Dear all

I have had this problem raised by one of the developers on my team. Can
anyone assist?

"Using ADO objects via OLE DB, I can access data in my SQL Server database
in the form of tables and stored procs with no problem.  When I try and
retrieve records from a SQL Server view, I get an OLE DB error.  I have
tried using all the different ways, command objects, recordsets etc."

TIA

Roz
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Sep 23 03:08:48 2004
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 10:08:48 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] ADPs  in the future
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Hi Charlotte

Thanks.

/gustav


> CLR is the common language runtime, the lingua franca that managed code
> is compiled into in VS.Net.  They would have to rewrite the ADP
> designers to speak .Net, and that apparently is not in the works.

> Charlotte Foust


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk] 
> Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 2:47 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] ADPs in the future


> Hi Marty

> Though I haven't played with the "Express" versions, this sounds
> interesting. I have, however, no idea why "CLR assemblies and complex
> data types" would require a complete rewrite, so could you please spell
> out for SQL 2005 dummies like me, what this message means?

> What I read is that an Access ADP cannot - and will not be able to -
> work with SQL 2005 ... I guess "SQLS 2000 compatibility mode" is not
> something you can turn on and off but something you choose at
> installation time.

> /gustav


>> Just in passing concerning future design
>> about ADP's from Access 2003 on down that will not play fair with SQL
>> Server 2005 Express (replacement for MSDE).

>>  Re: Access 2002 and SQL Express
>>  From:  "Mary Chipman [MSFT]" <mchip at online.microsoft.com> Sent:
>> 8/20/2004 11:30:58 AM

>> You will not be able to use any of the designers with SQLS 2005 
>> databases, whether it's SQL Express or the Developer edition. IOW, you

>> won't be able to create databases, tables, views or any other database

>> objects from an ADP. The only support that is envisioned is that you 
>> will be able to connect an Access front-end to a SQLS 2005 back end if

>> it is running in SQLS 2000 compatibility mode, so your forms, reports 
>> and other local Access objects should still run. There is no service 
>> pack or quick fix being planned as far as I know because of the amount

>> of work it would entail. If you stop to think about it, it's pretty 
>> hard to see how accomodating new Yukon features like CLR assemblies 
>> and complex data types in the ADP designers could be achieved without 
>> a complete rewrite.

>> --Mary Chipman

>> --
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>> Victoria, B.C.
>> Canada

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From gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Sep 23 03:55:12 2004
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 10:55:12 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Operation must use an updatable query...and it does.
In-Reply-To: <13680-220049322184423717@christopherhawkins.com>
References: <13680-220049322184423717@christopherhawkins.com>
Message-ID: <406633498.20040923105512@cactus.dk>

Hi Christopher

First, specify the control as a parameter:

PARAMETERS [Forms]![frmFcod]![JobID] Long;
UPDATE Job
SET Job.JobNotes =
DCount("Note","tblNotes","JobID =" & [Forms]![frmFcod]![JobID])
WHERE (((Job.JobID)=[Forms]![frmFcod]![JobID]));

If that doesn't work, why not rewrite it:

  PARAMETERS JobNo Long, NoteCount Long;
  UPDATE Job
  SET Job.JobNotes = NoteCount
  WHERE (Job.JobID = JobNo);

and then:

  lngJobID = Nz([Forms]![frmFcod]![JobID], 0)
  lngNoteCount = DCount("Note", "tblNotes", "JobID = " & lngJobID & "")
  Set dbs = CurrentDb()
  Set qdy = dbs.QueryDefs("qryUpdateNotesCount")
  Set qdy.Parameters("JobNo").Value = lngJobID
  Set qdy.Parameters("NoteCount").Value = lngNoteCount
  qdy.Execute
  qdy.Close

This may turn out faster than debugging the current code.

/gustav


> This is weird.

> I'm refitting an Access 2000 app that a client of mine wrote to run
> his business.  One of the issues that has recently started happening
> (after the client exported all the objects from a corrupted MDB into
> a fresh MDB container) is that a query being run from a form triggers
> the following error:

> "Operation must use an updatable query"

> Here is the code that is firing the query:

> [code]  

> DoCmd.SetWarnings False
> DoCmd.OpenQuery "qryUpdateNotesCount"
> DoCmd.SetWarnings True

> [/code]

> Primitive, but OK.  I figure the query is written incorrectly or has
> recently been changed, and prepare myself to go clean it up/fix it. 
> But here's the kicker:

> 1) This exact code - and this exact query - has been running fine for
> years.  I can dig up previous versions of the app with this code and
> query in them, and this line of code executes just fine.

> 2) If I actually go to the queries tab and double-click
> qryUpdateNoteCount, it works just fine, even immediately after trying
> to execute that code and throwing an error.

> So now I'm scratching my head.  This is very perplexing.  This is the
> only build of the app in which this line of code errors out.  Yet, I
> can manually execute the query just fine in this build.  Even worse,
> it only fails on some machines.  Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over?  This
> used to work on every machine in the house.  

> Here is the syntax of the query:

> [code]

> UPDATE Job SET Job.JobNotes = DCount("Note","tblNotes","JobID =" &
> [forms]![frmfcod]![jobid])
> WHERE (((Job.JobID)=[Forms]![frmFcod]![JobID]));
> [/code]

> I decompiled, recompiled, compacted & repaired.  No change.

> I am considering going through the app and replacing this line of
> code with something else to update this field.  But I'm loathe to do
> so until I understand why the failure is occurring to start with.

> Any ideas?

> -Christopher Hawkins, the Great and Terrible-
> Respectfully,

> Christopher Hawkins
> Software Developer
> (559) 687-7591
> http://www.christopherhawkins.com



From Paul.Rogers at SummitMedia.co.uk  Thu Sep 23 04:01:14 2004
From: Paul.Rogers at SummitMedia.co.uk (Paul Rodgers)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 10:01:14 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Emailing directly from the form
Message-ID: <EAF3070ACB1AD81182280002A51EF731192243@s003.wolds.summitmedia.co.uk>

Is there a simple way to email from the form, specifying certain fields like
[Name], [Department], [Date] please, Craftsfolk? (I use Outlook and
Access2K) 

Cheers
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From: prodevmg at yahoo.com (Lonnie Johnson)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 02:32:24 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Overflow
In-Reply-To: <B0068582447@mail8.nshosts.com>
Message-ID: <20040923093224.19763.qmail@web20423.mail.yahoo.com>

Check to see if there is a field that does some type of mathmatical calculation like division and see if there is possible division by zero. Access does not like that.

Sead Kirlic <skirlic at tbmc.com> wrote:I need help on this one.

One of reports in my database will not open. Message I receive is
"Overflow". There are total of 6 reports and 5 of them are OK.



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From prodevmg at yahoo.com  Thu Sep 23 04:36:26 2004
From: prodevmg at yahoo.com (Lonnie Johnson)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 02:36:26 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Emailing directly from the form
In-Reply-To: <EAF3070ACB1AD81182280002A51EF731192243@s003.wolds.summitmedia.co.uk>
Message-ID: <20040923093626.53675.qmail@web20426.mail.yahoo.com>

If you know VBA you can set up a button on your form and in the Click Event you can use the DoCmd.SendObject command and in the parameters for the recipient and subject and so on, you can reference a field on your form.

Paul Rodgers <Paul.Rogers at SummitMedia.co.uk> wrote:Is there a simple way to email from the form, specifying certain fields like
[Name], [Department], [Date] please, Craftsfolk? (I use Outlook and
Access2K) 

Cheers
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From roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk  Thu Sep 23 04:53:10 2004
From: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk (Roz Clarke)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 10:53:10 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Emailing directly from the form
Message-ID: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C8318805CED4DC@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>

All you need, as far as I can see, is the SendObject method. You can pass
form fields as string variables into the header or body of the email.

HTH

Roz

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To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Emailing directly from the form


Is there a simple way to email from the form, specifying certain fields like
[Name], [Department], [Date] please, Craftsfolk? (I use Outlook and
Access2K) 

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From Paul.Rogers at SummitMedia.co.uk  Thu Sep 23 05:03:36 2004
From: Paul.Rogers at SummitMedia.co.uk (Paul Rodgers)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 11:03:36 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Emailing directly from the form
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Brilliant, Lonnie. I haven't done this before, and expected complications.
Thanks very much. Cheers
paul

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Subject: Re: [AccessD] Emailing directly from the form


If you know VBA you can set up a button on your form and in the Click Event
you can use the DoCmd.SendObject command and in the parameters for the
recipient and subject and so on, you can reference a field on your form.

Paul Rodgers <Paul.Rogers at SummitMedia.co.uk> wrote:Is there a simple way to
email from the form, specifying certain fields like
[Name], [Department], [Date] please, Craftsfolk? (I use Outlook and
Access2K) 

Cheers
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From Paul.Rogers at SummitMedia.co.uk  Thu Sep 23 05:10:04 2004
From: Paul.Rogers at SummitMedia.co.uk (Paul Rodgers)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 11:10:04 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Emailing directly from the form
Message-ID: <EAF3070ACB1AD81182280002A51EF731192247@s003.wolds.summitmedia.co.uk>

Thanks, Roz. Yes, I have it now. 

Gratefully 
paul 

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Sent: 23 September 2004 10:53
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Emailing directly from the form


All you need, as far as I can see, is the SendObject method. You can pass
form fields as string variables into the header or body of the email.

HTH

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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Sep 23 05:52:53 2004
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 20:52:53 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Overflow
In-Reply-To: <20040923093224.19763.qmail@web20423.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <B0068582447@mail8.nshosts.com>
Message-ID: <415337A5.25841.1AF8491@lexacorp.com.pg>

On 23 Sep 2004 at 2:32, Lonnie Johnson wrote:

> Check to see if there is a field that does some type of mathmatical
> calculation like division and see if there is possible division by zero.
> Access does not like that. 
>

Or,  more likely, a calculation which results in a variable being bigger 
than it's bounds such as an Integer value > 32767 

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From rbgajewski at adelphia.net  Thu Sep 23 06:34:43 2004
From: rbgajewski at adelphia.net (Bob Gajewski)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 07:34:43 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Emailing directly from the form
In-Reply-To: <EAF3070ACB1AD81182280002A51EF731192245@s003.wolds.summitmedia.co.uk>
Message-ID: <LHEEKEKNLFONONKPIOCJKEGJGKAA.rbgajewski@adelphia.net>

Paul

An example (watch wrap) ...

================================================
Private Sub cmdSendMail_AfterClick()
Dim varMailTo As String, varCopyTo As String, varSubject As String, varBody
As String
' Set your values (arbitrary field names, of course)
  varMailTo = txtRecipientEmail
  varCopyTo = txtCCEmail
  varSubject = txtSubject
  varBody = txtBody
  DoCmd.SendObject acSendNoObject, , , varMailTo, varCopyTo, , varSubject,
varBody
End Sub
================================================

Regards,
Bob Gajewski


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Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 06:04
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Subject: RE: [AccessD] Emailing directly from the form


Brilliant, Lonnie. I haven't done this before, and expected complications.
Thanks very much. Cheers
paul

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From: Lonnie Johnson [mailto:prodevmg at yahoo.com]
Sent: 23 September 2004 10:36
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Emailing directly from the form


If you know VBA you can set up a button on your form and in the Click Event
you can use the DoCmd.SendObject command and in the parameters for the
recipient and subject and so on, you can reference a field on your form.

Paul Rodgers <Paul.Rogers at SummitMedia.co.uk> wrote:Is there a simple way to
email from the form, specifying certain fields like
[Name], [Department], [Date] please, Craftsfolk? (I use Outlook and
Access2K)

Cheers
paul

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From CMackin at quiznos.com  Thu Sep 23 08:49:51 2004
From: CMackin at quiznos.com (Mackin, Christopher)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 07:49:51 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] ADPs - accessing SQL Views
Message-ID: <EBEA2FA1665EDA40A600D92C87B9B4CE27EEF4@snowmass.quiznos.net>

I would immediately check the permissions the developer has on that View.

-Chris Mackin


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Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 2:33 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving';
dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] ADPs - accessing SQL Views


Dear all

I have had this problem raised by one of the developers on my team. Can
anyone assist?

"Using ADO objects via OLE DB, I can access data in my SQL Server database
in the form of tables and stored procs with no problem.  When I try and
retrieve records from a SQL Server view, I get an OLE DB error.  I have
tried using all the different ways, command objects, recordsets etc."

TIA

Roz


From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com  Thu Sep 23 09:01:11 2004
From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark S. (Newport News))
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 10:01:11 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] .TIFF Image of Report Pages
Message-ID: <BA209D7D3A20BE499AB726E4ED7A6DA1FCB76E@nprdex02.nns.com>

A follow-up to this came Monday when I put forth a few of these suggestions.
Much to my surprise and chagrin, another representative stated that he
indeed HAD researched most of these automated options, but determined that
the manual way wasn't really eating up all that much time.  He finished his
explanation with the comment that he was awaiting approval to commission a
custom printer driver written specifically for us.

This stance really bothered me.  He is acknowledging a need for an automated
solution, and is willing to spend top dollar just to address a situation
that deep down he believes (in his department at least) is inconsequential.
How warped is that?


Mark



-----Original Message-----
From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net] 
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 10:36 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] .TIFF Image of Report Pages


Mark,
I've seen situations where things were being done in a rather labor
intensive, inefficient manner just as you describe. I've proposed better
solutions and people have initially gotten a bit excited about the idea but
in the end they kept doing it the same way. Sooo. I'd say you're going to
get to labeled as:

1. a genius :-)
2. a lazy tehcno-geek who thinks the computers can do everything but doesn't
realize that not everybody can run the computers as well as you (i.e. the
scanner staff would have to be trained to run the software to do this-it
would be too efficient to just have the engineers do it.) ;-)
3. a trouble maker who is trying to put all those people with jobs in the
scanning section out of work! :-(

John

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Mitsules, Mark
S. (Newport News)
Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 6:50 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] .TIFF Image of Report Pages


Many thanks to you all.

After a little research into how other divisions have handled this creation
of .tiff files from AutoCAD .dwg files, I'm a little disappointed.  I mean
that, just on the hint that we might have to take over this responsibility,
it has only taken 12 hours for you kind folks to provide a multitude of
viable options.  What scares me is that some divisions are actually doing
this manually by scanning a hard copy.

So, in comparison, would I be considered lazy or efficient for wanting a
better way?  ;)


Mark


-----Original Message-----
From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk]
Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 11:36 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] .TIFF Image of Report Pages


Hi Mark

The "Print To Picture" printer driver:

  http://progrex.narod.ru/ptp.html

can output to PCX, BMP, or PNG files.
Then you can convert to TIFF.

/gustav


> Does anyone have any brilliant ideas on how I could automatically generate
a
> .tiff image for each page in a report?

> Background: Our company stores issued drawings in .tiff format.  In the
> past, drawings have been scanned in manually in a reproduction department.
> Currently, I issue drawings using Access reports.  It has been suggested
> that the .tiff creation MAY fall to the engineering department.

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From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 15:55:09 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] ADPs  in the future
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312A71@infoserver01.infostat.local>
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312A71@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <4724629855.20040923155509@cactus.dk>

Hi all

So now's perhaps the time for alternatives ...

If you need 5 GB of database space running on a Linux engine, watch
this free offer from Sybase:

  http://www.sybase.com/linuxpromo

/gustav


> Access 2003 is designed to work with SQL Server 2000, not the next
> version of SQL Server.



From Patricia.O'Connor at dfa.state.ny.us  Thu Sep 23 09:47:46 2004
From: Patricia.O'Connor at dfa.state.ny.us (O'Connor, Patricia (OTDA))
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 10:47:46 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] ADPs - accessing SQL Views
Message-ID: <B94C79B465542042AB0748EAF37F9AC024A882@EXCNYSM0A1AB.nysemail.nyenet>

Roz, 

What is the error you are getting?

Check the permissions for the TABLES underlying the View as well as the
view.  We ran into something similar because the Code tables that made
up the view did not have the same permissions as the main table.

HTH
Patti

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*Associate Computer Programmer Analyst
*OTDA - BDMA
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Roz Clarke
> Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 04:33 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; 
> dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] ADPs - accessing SQL Views
> 
> Dear all
> 
> I have had this problem raised by one of the developers on my 
> team. Can anyone assist?
> 
> "Using ADO objects via OLE DB, I can access data in my SQL 
> Server database in the form of tables and stored procs with 
> no problem.  When I try and retrieve records from a SQL 
> Server view, I get an OLE DB error.  I have tried using all 
> the different ways, command objects, recordsets etc."
> 
> TIA
> 
> Roz
> 
> 
> 


From Developer at UltraDNT.com  Thu Sep 23 09:56:14 2004
From: Developer at UltraDNT.com (Steve Conklin (Developer@UltraDNT))
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 10:56:14 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] ADPs  in the future
In-Reply-To: <4724629855.20040923155509@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <001901c4a17d$795d0620$0200a8c0@COA3>

There are plenty of alternatives, but, even leaving out forms vs.
asp/html/php UI debate, the mgmt tools are always lacking (if they
exist) ,and reporting is damn near impossible.  
Is there anything on any platform that comes close to our favorite
product - in one package?

And even if ADPs won't work, MDBs with ODBC linked tables will work -
and with just about ANYthing else.



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 9:55 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] ADPs in the future


Hi all

So now's perhaps the time for alternatives ...

If you need 5 GB of database space running on a Linux engine, watch this
free offer from Sybase:

  http://www.sybase.com/linuxpromo

/gustav


> Access 2003 is designed to work with SQL Server 2000, not the next 
> version of SQL Server.

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From roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk  Thu Sep 23 09:57:02 2004
From: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk (Roz Clarke)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 15:57:02 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] ADPs - accessing SQL Views
Message-ID: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C8318805CED4EC@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>

Thanks Patti, and also Chris

Tom (my developer) had got his connection objects mixed up and was getting
the wrong permissions as a result.

Cheers for your help

Roz

-----Original Message-----
From: O'Connor, Patricia (OTDA) [mailto:Patricia.O'Connor at dfa.state.ny.us] 
Sent: 23 September 2004 15:48
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] ADPs - accessing SQL Views


Roz, 

What is the error you are getting?

Check the permissions for the TABLES underlying the View as well as the
view.  We ran into something similar because the Code tables that made up
the view did not have the same permissions as the main table.

HTH
Patti

******************************************************************
*Patricia O'Connor
*Associate Computer Programmer Analyst
*OTDA - BDMA
*(W) mailto:Patricia.O'Connor at dfa.state.ny.us
*(w) mailto:aa1160 at dfa.state.ny.us
******************************************************************
 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Roz Clarke
> Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 04:33 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; 
> dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] ADPs - accessing SQL Views
> 
> Dear all
> 
> I have had this problem raised by one of the developers on my
> team. Can anyone assist?
> 
> "Using ADO objects via OLE DB, I can access data in my SQL
> Server database in the form of tables and stored procs with 
> no problem.  When I try and retrieve records from a SQL 
> Server view, I get an OLE DB error.  I have tried using all 
> the different ways, command objects, recordsets etc."
> 
> TIA
> 
> Roz
> 
> 
> 
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From JColby at dispec.com  Thu Sep 23 11:11:13 2004
From: JColby at dispec.com (Colby, John)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 12:11:13 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Windows XP - Access closes unexpectedly
Message-ID: <05C61C52D7CAD211A7830008C7DF6F1079BDEB@DISABILITYINS01>

Have any of you seen Access close unexpectedly on Windows XP machines?  My
client has a mix of Win98 / Win2K and WinXP machines.  EVERY machine with
WinXP is reporting the app just shutting down, no warning, no nothing.  NONE
of the non-XP machines reports this.

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?kbid=320299

reports this problem, but with an error message.  My client DOES have some
sort of network issues, all the machines (users) have, at one time or
another reported the old "disk or network error" meaning they lost
connection to the server briefly.  In Windows98/2k you just continue on.  It
would seem that in Windows XP the OS itself will terminate Access when this
happens.  A tad RUDE don't you think?

Anyone else seeing this?

John W. Colby
The DIS Database Guy


From bheid at appdevgrp.com  Thu Sep 23 11:58:28 2004
From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 12:58:28 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Windows XP - Access closes unexpectedly
In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA309A6B77@ADGSERVER>
Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA305BB873@ADGSERVER>

Haven't heard of that one.  Is there anything in the event logs?

Bobby

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Colby, John
Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 12:11 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Windows XP - Access closes unexpectedly


Have any of you seen Access close unexpectedly on Windows XP machines?  My
client has a mix of Win98 / Win2K and WinXP machines.  EVERY machine with
WinXP is reporting the app just shutting down, no warning, no nothing.  NONE
of the non-XP machines reports this.

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?kbid=320299

reports this problem, but with an error message.  My client DOES have some
sort of network issues, all the machines (users) have, at one time or
another reported the old "disk or network error" meaning they lost
connection to the server briefly.  In Windows98/2k you just continue on.  It
would seem that in Windows XP the OS itself will terminate Access when this
happens.  A tad RUDE don't you think?

Anyone else seeing this?

John W. Colby
The DIS Database Guy
-- 



From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Thu Sep 23 12:05:11 2004
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps - IT Helps)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 19:05:11 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Windows XP - Access closes unexpectedly
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF735E@stekelbes.ithelps.local>


Access 2003 terminates regulary...

And for the rest

Access also terminates with incorrect API calls 
Maybe u use some API call that is not suported by XP

Erwin

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Verzonden: donderdag 23 september 2004 18:58
Aan: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Onderwerp: RE: [AccessD] Windows XP - Access closes unexpectedly

Haven't heard of that one.  Is there anything in the event logs?

Bobby

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
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Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 12:11 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Windows XP - Access closes unexpectedly


Have any of you seen Access close unexpectedly on Windows XP machines?
My client has a mix of Win98 / Win2K and WinXP machines.  EVERY machine
with WinXP is reporting the app just shutting down, no warning, no
nothing.  NONE of the non-XP machines reports this.

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?kbid=320299

reports this problem, but with an error message.  My client DOES have
some sort of network issues, all the machines (users) have, at one time
or another reported the old "disk or network error" meaning they lost
connection to the server briefly.  In Windows98/2k you just continue on.
It would seem that in Windows XP the OS itself will terminate Access
when this happens.  A tad RUDE don't you think?

Anyone else seeing this?

John W. Colby
The DIS Database Guy
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Sep 23 12:07:23 2004
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 19:07:23 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Connecting to SQL from Access w/a single login?
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References: <100F91B31300334B89EC531C9DCB086506595F@tccexch01.tappeconstruction.net>
Message-ID: <8236164341.20040923190723@cactus.dk>

Hi Brett

>>First, I think this is for attached Jet databases only.
> No, I have used this extensively for attaching to our SQL Server 2000
> databases.

It won't hurt, it's just that if I check the attributes of some tables
linked from SQL Server where the password is saved in the connect
string, this attribute is NOT set.

>>Also, this should not be necessary: <snip>
> A couple of points here:
> 1. The TableDef object doesn't have a Refresh method.  Perhaps
> RefreshLink?

Yes.

> 2. If you try this, omit the tdf.SourceTableName = rs!ForeignName line.
> It blows up.

Yes, sorry, it is only for creating a linked tabledef. It makes no
sense for an already linked table.

> 3. I can't remember the exact reason why I dropped and recreated the
> table.  I can recall trying the simple update and RefreshLink but had
> difficulties.  Can't remember much more than that.  Seems to work OK
> now, though.

Well, after 10 years with Access, I've have yet to see this fail. I
believe you safely can use RefreshLink for reattaching a table when
server or file has been moved. It is way faster too.

/gustav


> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
> Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2004 9:56 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Connecting to SQL from Access w/a single login?


> Hi Brett

>> Try setting tdAttach.Attributes = dbAttachSavePWD

> First, I think this is for attached Jet databases only.
> Second, I guess this should be:

>   tdAttach.Attributes = tdAttach.Attributes Or dbAttachSavePWD

> or you would kill any other attribute (or raise an error).

> Also, this should not be necessary:

>>    Do Until rs.EOF
>>        Debug.Print rs!Name
>>        Set tdf = db.CreateTableDef(rs!Name)
>>        
>>        tdf.Connect = "ODBC;" & _
>>            ExtractArg(rs!Connect, "DRIVER") & ";" & _
>>            "SERVER=" & strServer & ";" & _
>>            ExtractArg(rs!Connect, "DATABASE") & ";" & _
>>            "UID=" & strUID & ";" & _
>>            "PWD=" & strPWD
>>            
>>        tdf.Attributes = dbAttachSavePWD
>>        tdf.SourceTableName = rs!ForeignName
>>        db.TableDefs.Delete rs!Name
>>        db.TableDefs.Append tdf
>>        
>>        rs.MoveNext
>>    Loop

> A Refresh is normally fine (and faster):

>        Set tdf = db.TableDefs(rs!Name)
>        tdf.Connect = "ODBC;" & _ ...
>        tdf.Attributes = dbAttachSavePWD
>        tdf.SourceTableName = rs!ForeignName
>        tdf.Refresh

> /gustav


>> I'm using a similar routine currently.  I have a metadata table full 
>> of information about the data tables.  It contains the localname, path

>> and sourceobject name of the table I'm linking to in SQL Server.
>> The actual linking is fine, but as you said remembering the password 
>> is an issue.



From JColby at dispec.com  Thu Sep 23 12:15:41 2004
From: JColby at dispec.com (Colby, John)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 13:15:41 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Windows XP - Access closes unexpectedly
Message-ID: <05C61C52D7CAD211A7830008C7DF6F1079BDEC@DISABILITYINS01>

what event logs?

John W. Colby
The DIS Database Guy


-----Original Message-----
From: Bobby Heid [mailto:bheid at appdevgrp.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 12:58 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Windows XP - Access closes unexpectedly


Haven't heard of that one.  Is there anything in the event logs?

Bobby

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Colby, John
Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 12:11 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Windows XP - Access closes unexpectedly


Have any of you seen Access close unexpectedly on Windows XP machines?  My
client has a mix of Win98 / Win2K and WinXP machines.  EVERY machine with
WinXP is reporting the app just shutting down, no warning, no nothing.  NONE
of the non-XP machines reports this.

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?kbid=320299

reports this problem, but with an error message.  My client DOES have some
sort of network issues, all the machines (users) have, at one time or
another reported the old "disk or network error" meaning they lost
connection to the server briefly.  In Windows98/2k you just continue on.  It
would seem that in Windows XP the OS itself will terminate Access when this
happens.  A tad RUDE don't you think?

Anyone else seeing this?

John W. Colby
The DIS Database Guy
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From bheid at appdevgrp.com  Thu Sep 23 12:48:07 2004
From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 13:48:07 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Windows XP - Access closes unexpectedly
In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA309A6BCB@ADGSERVER>
Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA305BB876@ADGSERVER>

The application, security, and system logs.  They would be somewhere under
administrative tools (or maybe under the Manage Computer add-in).  Under
Win2K, it is under Programs\Administrative Tools\Event Viewer.

I'll look at home to see where it is in XP.

Bobby

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Colby, John
Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 1:16 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Windows XP - Access closes unexpectedly


what event logs?

John W. Colby
The DIS Database Guy


-----Original Message-----
From: Bobby Heid [mailto:bheid at appdevgrp.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 12:58 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Windows XP - Access closes unexpectedly


Haven't heard of that one.  Is there anything in the event logs?

Bobby

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Colby, John
Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 12:11 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Windows XP - Access closes unexpectedly


Have any of you seen Access close unexpectedly on Windows XP machines?  My
client has a mix of Win98 / Win2K and WinXP machines.  EVERY machine with
WinXP is reporting the app just shutting down, no warning, no nothing.  NONE
of the non-XP machines reports this.

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?kbid=320299

reports this problem, but with an error message.  My client DOES have some
sort of network issues, all the machines (users) have, at one time or
another reported the old "disk or network error" meaning they lost
connection to the server briefly.  In Windows98/2k you just continue on.  It
would seem that in Windows XP the OS itself will terminate Access when this
happens.  A tad RUDE don't you think?

Anyone else seeing this?

John W. Colby
The DIS Database Guy
-- 




From davide at dalyn.co.nz  Thu Sep 23 13:36:29 2004
From: davide at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 06:36:29 +1200
Subject: [AccessD] Windows XP - Access closes unexpectedly
In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA305BB876@ADGSERVER>
References: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA309A6BCB@ADGSERVER>
	<916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA305BB876@ADGSERVER>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20040924063106.01a4c870@mail.dalyn.co.nz>

John,

Does it happen during a specific part of the programme?  I had a situation 
where every time I tried to import an excel spreadsheet Access would come 
up with "Unexpected Error", then close down.  Eventually it was tracked 
down to the shortcut being used to open the programme (a virtually 
identical copy of the FE was opening fine.  When we changed its shortcut to 
the problem FE then the problem went away.  When we tried opening the good 
FE with the corrupt shortcut the good FE started crashing.  Our solution 
was to delete the bad shortcut and make a copy of the good shortcut.  Never 
found out why the shortcut should have caused the problem.)

Regards

David Emerson
Dalyn Software Ltd
25 Cunliffe St, Churton Park
Wellington, New Zealand
Ph/Fax (04) 478-7456
Mobile 027-280-9348

At 24/09/2004, you wrote:
>The application, security, and system logs.  They would be somewhere under
>administrative tools (or maybe under the Manage Computer add-in).  Under
>Win2K, it is under Programs\Administrative Tools\Event Viewer.
>
>I'll look at home to see where it is in XP.
>
>Bobby
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Colby, John
>Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 1:16 PM
>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Windows XP - Access closes unexpectedly
>
>
>what event logs?
>
>John W. Colby
>The DIS Database Guy
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Bobby Heid [mailto:bheid at appdevgrp.com]
>Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 12:58 PM
>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Windows XP - Access closes unexpectedly
>
>
>Haven't heard of that one.  Is there anything in the event logs?
>
>Bobby
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Colby, John
>Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 12:11 PM
>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>Subject: [AccessD] Windows XP - Access closes unexpectedly
>
>
>Have any of you seen Access close unexpectedly on Windows XP machines?  My
>client has a mix of Win98 / Win2K and WinXP machines.  EVERY machine with
>WinXP is reporting the app just shutting down, no warning, no nothing.  NONE
>of the non-XP machines reports this.
>
>http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?kbid=320299
>
>reports this problem, but with an error message.  My client DOES have some
>sort of network issues, all the machines (users) have, at one time or
>another reported the old "disk or network error" meaning they lost
>connection to the server briefly.  In Windows98/2k you just continue on.  It
>would seem that in Windows XP the OS itself will terminate Access when this
>happens.  A tad RUDE don't you think?
>
>Anyone else seeing this?
>
>John W. Colby
>The DIS Database Guy



From KIsmert at TexasSystems.com  Thu Sep 23 15:06:59 2004
From: KIsmert at TexasSystems.com (Ken Ismert)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 15:06:59 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] ADPs  in the future
In-Reply-To: <4724629855.20040923155509@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <005c01c4a1a8$e2f91990$2a3ca8c0@TEXASSYSTEMS.COM>


> So now's perhaps the time for alternatives ...
>/gustav

Hear, Hear.

This is yet more evidence that Access is dead. Despite its unique
advantages, Access is increasingly obsolescent in the current Microsoft
vision of .NET, SQL Server, web-centric, and distributed computing.

More evidence of this comes from recent reports of a precipitous drop in
Access consulting rates in our local area. How low? Let's just say you could
earn more if you were a certified welder than if you solely designed Access
databases. Around here, large businesses are simply not doing serious Access
development. There are still small to mid-size businesses that rely on
Access, and they will provide the bulk of Access-related jobs in the coming
years, but even they will dwindle over time as newer tools gain market
saturation.

So, fellow AccessD posters, I would gently suggest that we all take a
serious look now at alternatives that will provide a better source of income
in the future. We must start developing competence in new areas, because
opportunities in Access will likely dry up in the next couple of years.

Its no fun seeing the skill set that you have worked on for so many years be
thrown away so casually, but that is simply a harsh fact of life when you
depend for your livelihood on a company whose market imperitives demand
obsoleting the current code base in order to sell the next.

-Ken

>> There is no service pack or quick fix being planned as far
>> as I know because of the amount of work it would entail.
>> If you stop to think about it, it's pretty hard to see how
>> accomodating new Yukon features like CLR assemblies and
>> complex data types in the ADP designers could be achieved
>> without a complete rewrite.
>> --Mary Chipman




From dwaters at usinternet.com  Thu Sep 23 15:34:45 2004
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 15:34:45 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] ADPs  in the future
In-Reply-To: <28499797.1095971093054.JavaMail.root@sniper9.usinternet.com>
Message-ID: <002201c4a1ac$c41e6670$de1811d8@danwaters>

Ken,

Let's not sink the ship just yet.  A new version of Access (12) will soon
begin to be discussed.  Let's see what it is first.

OTOH, the skills that I know I've developed will let learn whatever I need
to learn to make my future work!

Dan Waters

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Ken Ismert
Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 3:07 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] ADPs in the future


> So now's perhaps the time for alternatives ...
>/gustav

Hear, Hear.

This is yet more evidence that Access is dead. Despite its unique
advantages, Access is increasingly obsolescent in the current Microsoft
vision of .NET, SQL Server, web-centric, and distributed computing.

More evidence of this comes from recent reports of a precipitous drop in
Access consulting rates in our local area. How low? Let's just say you could
earn more if you were a certified welder than if you solely designed Access
databases. Around here, large businesses are simply not doing serious Access
development. There are still small to mid-size businesses that rely on
Access, and they will provide the bulk of Access-related jobs in the coming
years, but even they will dwindle over time as newer tools gain market
saturation.

So, fellow AccessD posters, I would gently suggest that we all take a
serious look now at alternatives that will provide a better source of income
in the future. We must start developing competence in new areas, because
opportunities in Access will likely dry up in the next couple of years.

Its no fun seeing the skill set that you have worked on for so many years be
thrown away so casually, but that is simply a harsh fact of life when you
depend for your livelihood on a company whose market imperitives demand
obsoleting the current code base in order to sell the next.

-Ken

>> There is no service pack or quick fix being planned as far
>> as I know because of the amount of work it would entail.
>> If you stop to think about it, it's pretty hard to see how
>> accomodating new Yukon features like CLR assemblies and
>> complex data types in the ADP designers could be achieved
>> without a complete rewrite.
>> --Mary Chipman


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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Thu Sep 23 16:25:55 2004
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 14:25:55 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] One hardware solution to MS buffer overflow security
	problems
References: <002201c4a1ac$c41e6670$de1811d8@danwaters>
Message-ID: <41533F63.9070204@shaw.ca>

This solution is to use Win XP SP2 and brand new Intel chips with 
Execute Disable bit set
Right now it is only available in Intel Itanium Servers  and AMD Athalon 
64 bit servers.
http://www.intel.com/business/bss/infrastructure/security/xdbit.htm

What it does, is set apart pages of memory to be data only, so code 
cannot be executed from it.

http://www.intel.com/business/bss/infrastructure/security/flash.htm

-- 
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada





From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Sep 23 19:03:21 2004
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 20:03:21 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] One hardware solution to MS buffer overflow
	securityproblems
In-Reply-To: <41533F63.9070204@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <002501c4a1c9$e86ea400$e8dafea9@ColbyM6805>

>and brand new Intel chips with Execute Disable bit set

Uhh... AMD might not like you calling THEIR technology "Intel chips".  AMD
invented the concept (or at least was first to market with it) in the Athlon
64 processor family.  Intel promptly copied it.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 5:26 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] One hardware solution to MS buffer overflow
securityproblems


This solution is to use Win XP SP2 and brand new Intel chips with 
Execute Disable bit set
Right now it is only available in Intel Itanium Servers  and AMD Athalon 
64 bit servers.
http://www.intel.com/business/bss/infrastructure/security/xdbit.htm

What it does, is set apart pages of memory to be data only, so code 
cannot be executed from it.

http://www.intel.com/business/bss/infrastructure/security/flash.htm

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From listmaster at databaseadvisors.com  Thu Sep 23 20:27:48 2004
From: listmaster at databaseadvisors.com (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 21:27:48 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Administrivia - ADMIN Server Troubles
Message-ID: <41533FD4.8127.698BF2@localhost>

The mail server that is running DBA's mailing lists is in the midst 
of an identity crisis. 

It doesn't want to act like a mial server, which is why some mail is 
taking hours and days to deliver, as some of you have noticed 
recently.

So I will need to take the server off-line this weekend.

The server will be going off-line at around 9pm EDT (UTC +0400).
I can't say for sure when it will be back on-line, but it will be 
before Monday Morning (UTC+0400) (Late morning for those of you in 
Europe and the UK)

Hopefully this will resolve the problems and thanks for your patience 
while we work through this.



From actebs at actebs.com.au  Fri Sep 24 02:13:14 2004
From: actebs at actebs.com.au (ACTEBS)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 17:13:14 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?
Message-ID: <2025BB6F17FCB54791F23CD505583328041BB3@starfleet.unknown.local>

Hi Everyone,
 
Does anyone have any code or such that handles the following elegantly:
 
Dim dbs as DAO.Database
Dim rst as DAO.Recordset
 
Set dbs etc etc
 
Do whatever here
 
dbs.close
dbs = nothing etc etc
 
I am tired of having do the above to open database connections and
recordsets in the above manner in every Sub or Function. Surely there's
a  more elegant method that someone has come up with here you just parse
the SQL Statement through or something...
 
Any suggestions or links will be greatly appreciated...
 
Regards
Vlad
 


From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Fri Sep 24 02:57:25 2004
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps - IT Helps)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 09:57:25 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF0ADC10@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

I never do  dbs as DAO.Database


I always do 
Set rstTemp as currentdb.openrecordset (bla bla)

Dbs can be replaced by currentdb


Erwin


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of ACTEBS
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 9:13 AM
To: access group
Subject: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?

Hi Everyone,
 
Does anyone have any code or such that handles the following elegantly:
 
Dim dbs as DAO.Database
Dim rst as DAO.Recordset
 
Set dbs etc etc
 
Do whatever here
 
dbs.close
dbs = nothing etc etc
 
I am tired of having do the above to open database connections and
recordsets in the above manner in every Sub or Function. Surely there's
a  more elegant method that someone has come up with here you just parse
the SQL Statement through or something...
 
Any suggestions or links will be greatly appreciated...
 
Regards
Vlad
 
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Sep 24 05:14:50 2004
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 12:14:50 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?
In-Reply-To: <2025BB6F17FCB54791F23CD505583328041BB3@starfleet.unknown.local>
References: <2025BB6F17FCB54791F23CD505583328041BB3@starfleet.unknown.local>
Message-ID: <8011754091.20040924121450@cactus.dk>

Hi Vlad

I use copy-and-paste ...

In 2000 I brought up the idea of "terminating" any object before
exiting a function. Shamil suggested this solution:

<quote>

I think you can write the following sub which slightly extends
Gustav's idea: 

Sub TerminateExt(ParamArray aobj() As Variant)
  On Error GoTo TerminateExt_Err
  Dim lngIdx As Long

  If UBound(aobj) > -1 Then
    For lngIdx = 0 To UBound(aobj)
      aobj(lngIdx).Close
      Set aobj(lngIdx) = Nothing
    Next lngIdx
  End If

TerminateExt_Exit:
  Exit Sub

TerminateExt_Err:
  Select Case Err
    Case 91
      ' Object obj doesn't exist.
    Case 438
      ' Object obj doesn't support method close.
    Case 3420
      ' Object obj has already been closed.
    Case Else
      ' Unknown error.
      MsgBox "Error " & Err & ". " & Err.Description, _
        vbExclamation, _
        "Error terminating object (ParamarrayIndex = " & lngIdx & ", "
& _
        "TypeName = " & TypeName(aobj(lngIdx)) & ")"
  End Select
  Resume Next
End Sub

and use it in your case this way:

  TerminateExt MyObject2, MyObject1, rst,db

HTHAWOK,
Shamil

---

But I must admit I've never used it ...

/gustav


> Does anyone have any code or such that handles the following elegantly:
 
> Dim dbs as DAO.Database
> Dim rst as DAO.Recordset
 
> Set dbs etc etc
 
> Do whatever here
 
> dbs.close
> dbs = nothing etc etc
 
> I am tired of having do the above to open database connections and
> recordsets in the above manner in every Sub or Function. Surely there's
> a  more elegant method that someone has come up with here you just parse
> the SQL Statement through or something...
 
> Any suggestions or links will be greatly appreciated...
 
> Regards
> Vlad



From accma at sympatico.ca  Fri Sep 24 06:08:28 2004
From: accma at sympatico.ca (Annie Courchesne, CMA)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 07:08:28 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Delete record via query with another query
Message-ID: <KDEJKGIHACGNMDOBHMICIEFIGBAA.accma@sympatico.ca>

Hi group,

Here my problem.  I want to be able to delete record from a table using the
result of a query.   Is that possible?  I was able to do it running code and
a recordset... but, to increase the speed, I would like to so it with a
query.

Thanks for any info you may have.



Annie Courchesne, CMA




From bheid at appdevgrp.com  Fri Sep 24 06:18:42 2004
From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 07:18:42 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?
In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA309A6D45@ADGSERVER>
Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA305BB87B@ADGSERVER>

I thought using currentdb everywhere used extra resources and was a no-no.

Bobby

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Erwin Craps - IT
Helps
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 3:57 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?


I never do  dbs as DAO.Database


I always do 
Set rstTemp as currentdb.openrecordset (bla bla)

Dbs can be replaced by currentdb


Erwin


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of ACTEBS
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 9:13 AM
To: access group
Subject: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?

Hi Everyone,
 
Does anyone have any code or such that handles the following elegantly:
 
Dim dbs as DAO.Database
Dim rst as DAO.Recordset
 
Set dbs etc etc
 
Do whatever here
 
dbs.close
dbs = nothing etc etc
 
I am tired of having do the above to open database connections and
recordsets in the above manner in every Sub or Function. Surely there's a
more elegant method that someone has come up with here you just parse the
SQL Statement through or something...
 
Any suggestions or links will be greatly appreciated...
 
Regards
Vlad
 
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Sep 24 06:43:44 2004
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 13:43:44 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Delete record via query with another query
In-Reply-To: <KDEJKGIHACGNMDOBHMICIEFIGBAA.accma@sympatico.ca>
References: <KDEJKGIHACGNMDOBHMICIEFIGBAA.accma@sympatico.ca>
Message-ID: <3917081521.20040924134344@cactus.dk>

Hi Annie

Yes, you can do something like

  Delete * From sometable
  Where ID In (Select SomeID From anothertable Where ...)

/gustav


> Here my problem.  I want to be able to delete record from a table using the
> result of a query.   Is that possible?  I was able to do it running code and
> a recordset... but, to increase the speed, I would like to so it with a
> query.



From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Fri Sep 24 07:11:36 2004
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (DWUTKA at marlow.com)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 07:11:36 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?
Message-ID: <123701F54509D9119A4F00D0B747349016CF8E@main2.marlow.com>

Put the code in a module, and send the recordset through as an agrument
ByRef.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: ACTEBS [mailto:actebs at actebs.com.au]
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 2:13 AM
To: access group
Subject: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?


Hi Everyone,
 
Does anyone have any code or such that handles the following elegantly:
 
Dim dbs as DAO.Database
Dim rst as DAO.Recordset
 
Set dbs etc etc
 
Do whatever here
 
dbs.close
dbs = nothing etc etc
 
I am tired of having do the above to open database connections and
recordsets in the above manner in every Sub or Function. Surely there's
a  more elegant method that someone has come up with here you just parse
the SQL Statement through or something...
 
Any suggestions or links will be greatly appreciated...
 
Regards
Vlad
 
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Fri Sep 24 07:13:05 2004
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (DWUTKA at marlow.com)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 07:13:05 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Delete record via query with another query
Message-ID: <123701F54509D9119A4F00D0B747349016CF8F@main2.marlow.com>

what is the query you want to delete from?

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Annie Courchesne, CMA [mailto:accma at sympatico.ca]
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 6:08 AM
To: Accessd
Subject: [AccessD] Delete record via query with another query


Hi group,

Here my problem.  I want to be able to delete record from a table using the
result of a query.   Is that possible?  I was able to do it running code and
a recordset... but, to increase the speed, I would like to so it with a
query.

Thanks for any info you may have.



Annie Courchesne, CMA


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From Developer at UltraDNT.com  Fri Sep 24 07:37:48 2004
From: Developer at UltraDNT.com (Steve Conklin (Developer@UltraDNT))
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 08:37:48 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?
In-Reply-To: <123701F54509D9119A4F00D0B747349016CF8E@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <001701c4a233$4d121900$0200a8c0@COA3>

I *think* he means the opposite ... That is, he needs to set up a
function that takes in the SQL statement and returns an RS.

Steve

Public function ReturnRS (stSQL as string) as DAO.recordset
' not debating these specifics:
' Could use:
' Set ReturnRS= currentdb.openrecordset(stSQL,dbopensnapshot)
End function


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
DWUTKA at marlow.com
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 8:12 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?


Put the code in a module, and send the recordset through as an agrument
ByRef.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: ACTEBS [mailto:actebs at actebs.com.au]
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 2:13 AM
To: access group
Subject: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?


Hi Everyone,
 
Does anyone have any code or such that handles the following elegantly:
 
Dim dbs as DAO.Database
Dim rst as DAO.Recordset
 
Set dbs etc etc
 
Do whatever here
 
dbs.close
dbs = nothing etc etc
 
I am tired of having do the above to open database connections and
recordsets in the above manner in every Sub or Function. Surely there's
a  more elegant method that someone has come up with here you just parse
the SQL Statement through or something...
 
Any suggestions or links will be greatly appreciated...
 
Regards
Vlad
 
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From Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org  Fri Sep 24 07:45:55 2004
From: Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 08:45:55 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Advisor.com
Message-ID: <08F823FD83787D4BA0B99CA580AD3C74089C45@TTNEXCHCL2.hshhp.com>

Is anyone going to the Advisor.com event in Las Vegas next week?

Jim DeMarco
Director Application Development
Hudson Health Plan



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From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Fri Sep 24 08:14:52 2004
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps - IT Helps)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 15:14:52 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF0ADC1E@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

Well

I have no idea. I started using currentdb when there was this issue with
workspace or somthing when they started to use jet as an windows OS
database to. 

I can't recal anything I read that disencourages use of currentdb in a
DAO environment.
Maybe this used to be an issue with an older version of Access...

Erwin


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby Heid
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 1:19 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?

I thought using currentdb everywhere used extra resources and was a
no-no.

Bobby

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Erwin Craps -
IT Helps
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 3:57 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?


I never do  dbs as DAO.Database


I always do
Set rstTemp as currentdb.openrecordset (bla bla)

Dbs can be replaced by currentdb


Erwin


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of ACTEBS
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 9:13 AM
To: access group
Subject: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?

Hi Everyone,
 
Does anyone have any code or such that handles the following elegantly:
 
Dim dbs as DAO.Database
Dim rst as DAO.Recordset
 
Set dbs etc etc
 
Do whatever here
 
dbs.close
dbs = nothing etc etc
 
I am tired of having do the above to open database connections and
recordsets in the above manner in every Sub or Function. Surely there's
a more elegant method that someone has come up with here you just parse
the SQL Statement through or something...
 
Any suggestions or links will be greatly appreciated...
 
Regards
Vlad
 
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Fri Sep 24 08:29:47 2004
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (DWUTKA at marlow.com)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 08:29:47 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?
Message-ID: <123701F54509D9119A4F00D0B747349016CF91@main2.marlow.com>

I was implying the sql statement:

Function OpenRS(ByRef rs AS DAO.Recordset, ByVal strSQL as String)

End Function

Works either way.....

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Conklin (Developer at UltraDNT) [mailto:Developer at ultradnt.com]
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 7:38 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?


I *think* he means the opposite ... That is, he needs to set up a
function that takes in the SQL statement and returns an RS.

Steve

Public function ReturnRS (stSQL as string) as DAO.recordset
' not debating these specifics:
' Could use:
' Set ReturnRS= currentdb.openrecordset(stSQL,dbopensnapshot)
End function


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
DWUTKA at marlow.com
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 8:12 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?


Put the code in a module, and send the recordset through as an agrument
ByRef.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: ACTEBS [mailto:actebs at actebs.com.au]
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 2:13 AM
To: access group
Subject: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?


Hi Everyone,
 
Does anyone have any code or such that handles the following elegantly:
 
Dim dbs as DAO.Database
Dim rst as DAO.Recordset
 
Set dbs etc etc
 
Do whatever here
 
dbs.close
dbs = nothing etc etc
 
I am tired of having do the above to open database connections and
recordsets in the above manner in every Sub or Function. Surely there's
a  more elegant method that someone has come up with here you just parse
the SQL Statement through or something...
 
Any suggestions or links will be greatly appreciated...
 
Regards
Vlad
 
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Sep 24 08:43:21 2004
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 09:43:21 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Windows XP - Access closes unexpectedly
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20040924063106.01a4c870@mail.dalyn.co.nz>
Message-ID: <003301c4a23c$78971040$e8dafea9@ColbyM6805>

Scary stuff eh?  A shortcut causes a program to crash.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David Emerson
Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 2:36 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Windows XP - Access closes unexpectedly


John,

Does it happen during a specific part of the programme?  I had a situation 
where every time I tried to import an excel spreadsheet Access would come 
up with "Unexpected Error", then close down.  Eventually it was tracked 
down to the shortcut being used to open the programme (a virtually 
identical copy of the FE was opening fine.  When we changed its shortcut to 
the problem FE then the problem went away.  When we tried opening the good 
FE with the corrupt shortcut the good FE started crashing.  Our solution 
was to delete the bad shortcut and make a copy of the good shortcut.  Never 
found out why the shortcut should have caused the problem.)

Regards

David Emerson
Dalyn Software Ltd
25 Cunliffe St, Churton Park
Wellington, New Zealand
Ph/Fax (04) 478-7456
Mobile 027-280-9348

At 24/09/2004, you wrote:
>The application, security, and system logs.  They would be somewhere 
>under administrative tools (or maybe under the Manage Computer add-in).  
>Under Win2K, it is under Programs\Administrative Tools\Event Viewer.
>
>I'll look at home to see where it is in XP.
>
>Bobby
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Colby, John
>Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 1:16 PM
>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Windows XP - Access closes unexpectedly
>
>
>what event logs?
>
>John W. Colby
>The DIS Database Guy
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Bobby Heid [mailto:bheid at appdevgrp.com]
>Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 12:58 PM
>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Windows XP - Access closes unexpectedly
>
>
>Haven't heard of that one.  Is there anything in the event logs?
>
>Bobby
>
>-----Original Message-----
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>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Colby, John
>Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 12:11 PM
>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>Subject: [AccessD] Windows XP - Access closes unexpectedly
>
>
>Have any of you seen Access close unexpectedly on Windows XP machines?  
>My client has a mix of Win98 / Win2K and WinXP machines.  EVERY machine 
>with WinXP is reporting the app just shutting down, no warning, no 
>nothing.  NONE of the non-XP machines reports this.
>
>http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?kbid=320299
>
>reports this problem, but with an error message.  My client DOES have 
>some sort of network issues, all the machines (users) have, at one time 
>or another reported the old "disk or network error" meaning they lost 
>connection to the server briefly.  In Windows98/2k you just continue 
>on.  It would seem that in Windows XP the OS itself will terminate 
>Access when this happens.  A tad RUDE don't you think?
>
>Anyone else seeing this?
>
>John W. Colby
>The DIS Database Guy

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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Fri Sep 24 09:06:06 2004
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 09:06:06 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?
In-Reply-To: <25088583.1096024872899.JavaMail.root@sniper8.usinternet.com>
Message-ID: <000401c4a23f$a2a99a80$de1811d8@danwaters>

Using CurrentDB everywhere is slower.

I use:
Set rst = DBEngine(0)(0).OpenRecordset(stg,db.....)

I did a test once and determined that using the above line is exactly 8
times faster than using:
Set rst = CurrentDB.OpenRecordset(stg,db.....)

However, you must use CurrentDB for some things, like setting the current
database's properties in VBA.

Dan Waters

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby Heid
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 6:19 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?

I thought using currentdb everywhere used extra resources and was a no-no.

Bobby

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Erwin Craps - IT
Helps
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 3:57 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?


I never do  dbs as DAO.Database


I always do 
Set rstTemp as currentdb.openrecordset (bla bla)

Dbs can be replaced by currentdb


Erwin


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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of ACTEBS
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 9:13 AM
To: access group
Subject: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?

Hi Everyone,
 
Does anyone have any code or such that handles the following elegantly:
 
Dim dbs as DAO.Database
Dim rst as DAO.Recordset
 
Set dbs etc etc
 
Do whatever here
 
dbs.close
dbs = nothing etc etc
 
I am tired of having do the above to open database connections and
recordsets in the above manner in every Sub or Function. Surely there's a
more elegant method that someone has come up with here you just parse the
SQL Statement through or something...
 
Any suggestions or links will be greatly appreciated...
 
Regards
Vlad
 
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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Fri Sep 24 09:09:20 2004
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 09:09:20 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Windows XP - Access closes unexpectedly
In-Reply-To: <17711956.1096033933928.JavaMail.root@sniper6.usinternet.com>
Message-ID: <000501c4a240$1691b130$de1811d8@danwaters>

I've also seen, only once, a shortcut that was apparently corrupt.  Deleting
it and replacing it with a new one solved the problem.

Dan Waters

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 8:43 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Windows XP - Access closes unexpectedly

Scary stuff eh?  A shortcut causes a program to crash.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David Emerson
Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 2:36 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Windows XP - Access closes unexpectedly


John,

Does it happen during a specific part of the programme?  I had a situation 
where every time I tried to import an excel spreadsheet Access would come 
up with "Unexpected Error", then close down.  Eventually it was tracked 
down to the shortcut being used to open the programme (a virtually 
identical copy of the FE was opening fine.  When we changed its shortcut to 
the problem FE then the problem went away.  When we tried opening the good 
FE with the corrupt shortcut the good FE started crashing.  Our solution 
was to delete the bad shortcut and make a copy of the good shortcut.  Never 
found out why the shortcut should have caused the problem.)

Regards

David Emerson
Dalyn Software Ltd
25 Cunliffe St, Churton Park
Wellington, New Zealand
Ph/Fax (04) 478-7456
Mobile 027-280-9348

At 24/09/2004, you wrote:
>The application, security, and system logs.  They would be somewhere 
>under administrative tools (or maybe under the Manage Computer add-in).  
>Under Win2K, it is under Programs\Administrative Tools\Event Viewer.
>
>I'll look at home to see where it is in XP.
>
>Bobby
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Colby, John
>Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 1:16 PM
>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Windows XP - Access closes unexpectedly
>
>
>what event logs?
>
>John W. Colby
>The DIS Database Guy
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Bobby Heid [mailto:bheid at appdevgrp.com]
>Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 12:58 PM
>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Windows XP - Access closes unexpectedly
>
>
>Haven't heard of that one.  Is there anything in the event logs?
>
>Bobby
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Colby, John
>Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 12:11 PM
>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>Subject: [AccessD] Windows XP - Access closes unexpectedly
>
>
>Have any of you seen Access close unexpectedly on Windows XP machines?  
>My client has a mix of Win98 / Win2K and WinXP machines.  EVERY machine 
>with WinXP is reporting the app just shutting down, no warning, no 
>nothing.  NONE of the non-XP machines reports this.
>
>http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?kbid=320299
>
>reports this problem, but with an error message.  My client DOES have 
>some sort of network issues, all the machines (users) have, at one time 
>or another reported the old "disk or network error" meaning they lost 
>connection to the server briefly.  In Windows98/2k you just continue 
>on.  It would seem that in Windows XP the OS itself will terminate 
>Access when this happens.  A tad RUDE don't you think?
>
>Anyone else seeing this?
>
>John W. Colby
>The DIS Database Guy

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From gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Sep 24 09:44:52 2004
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 16:44:52 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?
In-Reply-To: <000401c4a23f$a2a99a80$de1811d8@danwaters>
References: <000401c4a23f$a2a99a80$de1811d8@danwaters>
Message-ID: <6127950330.20040924164452@cactus.dk>

Hi Dan

> However, you must use CurrentDB for some things, like setting the current
> database's properties in VBA.

Njah, you just need to do a

  DBEngine(0).Properties.Refresh

Same thing for other collections if you manipulate these.

/gustav



From bchacc at san.rr.com  Fri Sep 24 11:13:46 2004
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 09:13:46 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Very Strange Problem with Access
Message-ID: <00ee01c4a251$784958e0$6601a8c0@HAL9002>

Dear List:

Sorry for the undescriptive subject but I don't know how else to say it.

Client is at a remote site running an app I created for them.  App is created in Access 2000.  It's running on Access 2002.  

In this app, which tracks assets, the hierarchy is Cluster,  Buildings within Cluster, Rooms within Buildings.

There is a query qryBuildingByCluster that is the row source of a combo box on frmRoom.

The uses Forms!frmRoom!txtClusterID as a parameter and the combo box is requeried every time a room record is displayed so that the combo box will display only buildings in the selected cluster.  All's well and good.

It runs fine on every box its ever been on.  But on this one box, when the user exits from frmRoom and the Main Menu is displayed, they get an "Enter Parameter" box prompting for Forms!frmRoom!txtClusterID as if the combo box is being requeried.  But at this point the form frmRoom is closed. I've stepped through the code and the parameter prompt appears AFTER the .Close.

qryBuildingByCluster is only used in one place in the system - as the row source of the Building combo box in frmRoom.  We checked references and they're identical to the client's laptop on which the program runs fine - can't duplicate the error.

Has anyone ever seen this behavior before?

MTIA

Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
http://www.e-z-mrp.com



From kaupca at chevrontexaco.com  Fri Sep 24 11:16:39 2004
From: kaupca at chevrontexaco.com (Kaup, Chester A)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 11:16:39 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Query gives invalid operation error
Message-ID: <1375769556091B4DAABC159F944CA1BB07A1EC@bocnte2k4.boc.chevrontexaco.net>

The following query gives an invalid operation error. Each of the
queries it is based on runs fine. Any ideas?

SELECT [qry Ft Stockton Other Fields Gas].ACTVDATE, [qry Ft Stockton
Other Fields Gas]![SumOfVOLUME_SS]+[qry Gomez Field
Gas]![SumOfVOLUME_SS]+[qry Halley Field Gas]![SumOfVOLUME_SS]+[qry Waha
Field Gas]![SumOfVOLUME_SS]+[qry Warwink Field
Gas]![SumOfVOLUME_SS]+[qry Sandhills Gas]![SumOfVOLUME_SS] AS MCFPD,
[qry Ft Stockton Other Fields Gas]![NWI Gas]+[qry Gomez Field
Gas]![SumOfVOLUME_SS]+[qry Halley Field Gas]![SumOfVOLUME_SS]+[qry Waha
Field Gas]![SumOfVOLUME_SS]+[qry Warwink Field
Gas]![SumOfVOLUME_SS]+[qry Sandhills Gas]![NWI Gas] AS [NWI MCFPD]
FROM [qry Sandhills Gas] INNER JOIN ([qry Gomez Field Gas] INNER JOIN
((([qry Ft Stockton Other Fields Gas] INNER JOIN [qry Halley Field Gas]
ON [qry Ft Stockton Other Fields Gas].ACTVDATE = [qry Halley Field
Gas].ACTVDATE) INNER JOIN [qry Waha Field Gas] ON [qry Ft Stockton Other
Fields Gas].ACTVDATE = [qry Waha Field Gas].ACTVDATE) INNER JOIN [qry
Warwink Field Gas] ON [qry Ft Stockton Other Fields Gas].ACTVDATE = [qry
Warwink Field Gas].ACTVDATE) ON [qry Gomez Field Gas].ACTVDATE = [qry Ft
Stockton Other Fields Gas].ACTVDATE) ON [qry Sandhills Gas].ACTVDATE =
[qry Ft Stockton Other Fields Gas].ACTVDATE;

Chester Kaup
Information Management Technician
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Sep 24 11:28:46 2004
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 18:28:46 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Very Strange Problem with Access
In-Reply-To: <00ee01c4a251$784958e0$6601a8c0@HAL9002>
References: <00ee01c4a251$784958e0$6601a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <1972507185.20040924182846@cactus.dk>

Hi Rocky

Check - or just go ahead and update/reinstall - the MDAC.

/gustav


> It runs fine on every box its ever been on.  But on this one box, when the user exits from frmRoom and the Main Menu is displayed, they get an "Enter Parameter" box prompting for
> Forms!frmRoom!txtClusterID as if the combo box is being requeried.  But at this point the form frmRoom is closed. I've stepped through the code and the parameter prompt appears AFTER the .Close.

> qryBuildingByCluster is only used in one place in the system - as the row source of the Building combo box in frmRoom.  We checked references and they're identical to the client's laptop on which
> the program runs fine - can't duplicate the error.



From gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Sep 24 11:37:56 2004
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 18:37:56 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Query gives invalid operation error
In-Reply-To: <1375769556091B4DAABC159F944CA1BB07A1EC@bocnte2k4.boc.chevrontexaco.net>
References: <1375769556091B4DAABC159F944CA1BB07A1EC@bocnte2k4.boc.chevrontexaco.net>
Message-ID: <293057907.20040924183756@cactus.dk>

Hi Chester

Could it be these fields: [NWI Gas]
All other you add seem to be Sums.

Try wrapping it in Nz():

  + Nz([NWI Gas], 0)

/gustav


> The following query gives an invalid operation error. Each of the
> queries it is based on runs fine. Any ideas?

> SELECT [qry Ft Stockton Other Fields Gas].ACTVDATE, [qry Ft Stockton
> Other Fields Gas]![SumOfVOLUME_SS]+[qry Gomez Field
> Gas]![SumOfVOLUME_SS]+[qry Halley Field Gas]![SumOfVOLUME_SS]+[qry Waha
> Field Gas]![SumOfVOLUME_SS]+[qry Warwink Field
> Gas]![SumOfVOLUME_SS]+[qry Sandhills Gas]![SumOfVOLUME_SS] AS MCFPD,
> [qry Ft Stockton Other Fields Gas]![NWI Gas]+[qry Gomez Field
> Gas]![SumOfVOLUME_SS]+[qry Halley Field Gas]![SumOfVOLUME_SS]+[qry Waha
> Field Gas]![SumOfVOLUME_SS]+[qry Warwink Field
> Gas]![SumOfVOLUME_SS]+[qry Sandhills Gas]![NWI Gas] AS [NWI MCFPD]
> FROM [qry Sandhills Gas] INNER JOIN ([qry Gomez Field Gas] INNER JOIN
> ((([qry Ft Stockton Other Fields Gas] INNER JOIN [qry Halley Field Gas]
> ON [qry Ft Stockton Other Fields Gas].ACTVDATE = [qry Halley Field
> Gas].ACTVDATE) INNER JOIN [qry Waha Field Gas] ON [qry Ft Stockton Other
> Fields Gas].ACTVDATE = [qry Waha Field Gas].ACTVDATE) INNER JOIN [qry
> Warwink Field Gas] ON [qry Ft Stockton Other Fields Gas].ACTVDATE = [qry
> Warwink Field Gas].ACTVDATE) ON [qry Gomez Field Gas].ACTVDATE = [qry Ft
> Stockton Other Fields Gas].ACTVDATE) ON [qry Sandhills Gas].ACTVDATE =
> [qry Ft Stockton Other Fields Gas].ACTVDATE;



From KIsmert at TexasSystems.com  Fri Sep 24 12:02:02 2004
From: KIsmert at TexasSystems.com (Ken Ismert)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 12:02:02 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] ADPs  in the future
In-Reply-To: <002201c4a1ac$c41e6670$de1811d8@danwaters>
Message-ID: <002701c4a258$372bdde0$2a3ca8c0@TEXASSYSTEMS.COM>


Dan,

Unless the next version of Access is a completely .NET centric product,
Windows forms on top, VB.NET or C# underneath, and is fully web enabled (in
other words the complete rewrite Mary Chipman said they weren't going to
do), it will have nothing of interest in it for me.

A simple test: if the next version of Access doesn't natively support
Microsoft's flagship database, SQL Server 2005, it has been abandoned.

I would like to hear more responses regarding the current prospects of
Access consulting. Nearly everyone I know locally is either having a tough
time getting Access work, or is moving away from Access towards more
profitable work. A consensus from this group that there is a burgeoning
Access job market in the near future would do more than anything else to
dispel my pessimism.

And yes, the bright side of the story is that the fundamentals we learn here
are applicable to any new data environment we may encounter.

-Ken

-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Waters [mailto:dwaters at usinternet.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 3:35 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] ADPs in the future


Ken,

Let's not sink the ship just yet.  A new version of Access (12) will soon
begin to be discussed.  Let's see what it is first.

OTOH, the skills that I know I've developed will let learn whatever I need
to learn to make my future work!

Dan Waters



From cyx5 at cdc.gov  Fri Sep 24 12:07:54 2004
From: cyx5 at cdc.gov (Nicholson, Karen)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 13:07:54 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Limiting User Navigation to Forms
Message-ID: <A5B5AA20555F594BA7B6BD2048E49E4384B41D@m-niosh-5.niosh.cdc.gov>

I have about 50 users in 10 different departments.  Based on the user
network login id, I want to limit the users ability to open up various
forms - for instance, someone in the QA department would receive a "you
are not authorized to open this form" message box  when they try to open
up the AS departments data entry forms.  I don't want to have to code in
each form that needs limitations an on open event to evaluate the id's
and let those authorized through.  Has anyone built a table to hold
network logins with passwords that are evaluated on form openings?  



Karen Nicholson
National Laboratory
Xerox Global Services




From bchacc at san.rr.com  Fri Sep 24 12:21:03 2004
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 10:21:03 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Very Strange Problem with Access
References: <00ee01c4a251$784958e0$6601a8c0@HAL9002>
	<1972507185.20040924182846@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <012d01c4a25a$deaf4000$6601a8c0@HAL9002>

You know Gustav, that might be the problem.  The user was talking about MDAC
versions but I don't think that they can modify the user's machine in any
event.  It's a military installation.

But I disabled the problem.  I tracked it down to any use of that combo box.
If the combo box wasn't accessed while the form was open, the form closed
correctly.  So right before the DoCmd.Close I had the user insert
cboBuilding.RowSource = "" and the problem went away.

I'll forward your idea to the user, though.

Thanks again.

Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
http://www.e-z-mrp.com


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 9:28 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Very Strange Problem with Access


> Hi Rocky
>
> Check - or just go ahead and update/reinstall - the MDAC.
>
> /gustav
>
>
> > It runs fine on every box its ever been on.  But on this one box, when
the user exits from frmRoom and the Main Menu is displayed, they get an
"Enter Parameter" box prompting for
> > Forms!frmRoom!txtClusterID as if the combo box is being requeried.  But
at this point the form frmRoom is closed. I've stepped through the code and
the parameter prompt appears AFTER the .Close.
>
> > qryBuildingByCluster is only used in one place in the system - as the
row source of the Building combo box in frmRoom.  We checked references and
they're identical to the client's laptop on which
> > the program runs fine - can't duplicate the error.
>
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Sep 24 12:34:41 2004
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 19:34:41 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Very Strange Problem with Access
In-Reply-To: <012d01c4a25a$deaf4000$6601a8c0@HAL9002>
References: <00ee01c4a251$784958e0$6601a8c0@HAL9002>
	<1972507185.20040924182846@cactus.dk>
	<012d01c4a25a$deaf4000$6601a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <336462412.20040924193441@cactus.dk>

Hi Rocky

Very clever!

If you can't move the mountain, go to the mountain.
Or here:
If you can't move the mountain away, leave the mountain.

/gustav


> You know Gustav, that might be the problem.  The user was talking about MDAC
> versions but I don't think that they can modify the user's machine in any
> event.  It's a military installation.

> But I disabled the problem.  I tracked it down to any use of that combo box.
> If the combo box wasn't accessed while the form was open, the form closed
> correctly.  So right before the DoCmd.Close I had the user insert
> cboBuilding.RowSource = "" and the problem went away.

> I'll forward your idea to the user, though.

> Thanks again.

> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
> http://www.e-z-mrp.com


> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 9:28 AM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Very Strange Problem with Access


>> Hi Rocky
>>
>> Check - or just go ahead and update/reinstall - the MDAC.
>>
>> /gustav
>>
>>
>> > It runs fine on every box its ever been on.  But on this one box, when
>> > the user exits from frmRoom and the Main Menu is displayed, they get an
>> > "Enter Parameter" box prompting for
>> > Forms!frmRoom!txtClusterID as if the combo box is being requeried.  But
>> > at this point the form frmRoom is closed. I've stepped through the code and
>> > the parameter prompt appears AFTER the .Close.
>>
>> > qryBuildingByCluster is only used in one place in the system - as the
>> > row source of the Building combo box in frmRoom.  We checked references and
>> > they're identical to the client's laptop on which
>> > the program runs fine - can't duplicate the error.



From gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Sep 24 12:55:34 2004
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 19:55:34 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Limiting User Navigation to Forms
In-Reply-To: <A5B5AA20555F594BA7B6BD2048E49E4384B41D@m-niosh-5.niosh.cdc.gov>
References: <A5B5AA20555F594BA7B6BD2048E49E4384B41D@m-niosh-5.niosh.cdc.gov>
Message-ID: <717715894.20040924195534@cactus.dk>

Hi Karen

Yes, sort of.

In the OnOpen event of the form put:

  Cancel = IsUserAuthorized(Me.Name)

Then create a function:

  Public Function IsUserAuthorized( _
    ByVal strForm As String) As Boolean

    Const cstrMessage As String = _
      "You are not authorized to open this form."
    Const cstrTitle As String = _
      "Restricted Form"
      
    Dim lngAccessLevel As Long
    Dim booAccess As Boolean
    
    Select Case strForm
      Case "frmSome", "frmAnother"
        lngAccessLevel = 3
      Case "frmThird"
        lngAccessLevel = 4
      ' etc. ...
    End Select
    If GetUserAccessLevel() >= lngAccessLevel Then
      booAccess = True
    Else
      DoCmd.Beep
      MsgBox cstrMessage, vbInformation, cstrTitle
    End If

    IsUserAuthorized = booAccess
    
  End Function

The function GetUserAccessLevel() retrieves the access level of the
current user which you will have to define somewhere else.
  
/gustav


> I have about 50 users in 10 different departments.  Based on the user
> network login id, I want to limit the users ability to open up various
> forms - for instance, someone in the QA department would receive a "you
> are not authorized to open this form" message box  when they try to open
> up the AS departments data entry forms.  I don't want to have to code in
> each form that needs limitations an on open event to evaluate the id's
> and let those authorized through.  Has anyone built a table to hold
> network logins with passwords that are evaluated on form openings?  



> Karen Nicholson
> National Laboratory
> Xerox Global Services



From pedro at plex.nl  Fri Sep 24 16:29:40 2004
From: pedro at plex.nl (Pedro Janssen)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 23:29:40 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] date query
Message-ID: <000c01c4a27d$9b424600$f9c581d5@pedro>

Hello Group,

i have a table [tblmeasure1] and important for the query are two fields:  Date and Temperature.

I am trying to get avg, min etc. etc from Temperature in certain date periods (Between #...# and #....#. But i keep running into errors. What is the right way to do this?

Thanks 

Pedro Janssen
Cytologist


From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Fri Sep 24 17:03:40 2004
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 15:03:40 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Limiting User Navigation to Forms
References: <A5B5AA20555F594BA7B6BD2048E49E4384B41D@m-niosh-5.niosh.cdc.gov>
Message-ID: <415499BC.9060809@shaw.ca>

If you want to limit opening forms by department, I would have a backend 
table with userid and department
Then before opening the form I would check the userid in the table 
against something like this code to verify against the machines network 
logon id
If you could obtain the network logon password, you would break network 
security.
Depending on the way your network security is setup you might be able to 
get the network id's group name.
This code is a little longer that most posted on the net to obtain the 
network login id and is more robust.

http://vbnet.mvps.org/index.html?code/network/netusergetinfo.htm
http://vbnet.mvps.org/code/network/lookupaccountname.htm
http://vbnet.mvps.org/index.html?code/network/netwkstagetinfousername.htm

Nicholson, Karen wrote:

>I have about 50 users in 10 different departments.  Based on the user
>network login id, I want to limit the users ability to open up various
>forms - for instance, someone in the QA department would receive a "you
>are not authorized to open this form" message box  when they try to open
>up the AS departments data entry forms.  I don't want to have to code in
>each form that needs limitations an on open event to evaluate the id's
>and let those authorized through.  Has anyone built a table to hold
>network logins with passwords that are evaluated on form openings?  
>
>
>
>Karen Nicholson
>National Laboratory
>Xerox Global Services
>
>
>  
>

-- 
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada





From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Fri Sep 24 17:51:55 2004
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 08:51:55 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Query gives invalid operation error
In-Reply-To: <1375769556091B4DAABC159F944CA1BB07A1EC@bocnte2k4.boc.chevrontexaco.net>
Message-ID: <415531AB.18385.9682C6E@lexacorp.com.pg>

On 24 Sep 2004 at 11:16, Kaup, Chester A wrote:

> FROM [qry Sandhills Gas] INNER JOIN ([qry Gomez Field Gas] INNER JOIN
> ((([qry Ft Stockton Other Fields Gas] INNER JOIN

What are these  INNER JOINs on? You haven't specified.

-- 
Stuart




From KIsmert at TexasSystems.com  Fri Sep 24 18:41:02 2004
From: KIsmert at TexasSystems.com (Ken Ismert)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 18:41:02 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?
In-Reply-To: <2025BB6F17FCB54791F23CD505583328041BB3@starfleet.unknown.local>
Message-ID: <002f01c4a28f$f45e4ba0$2a3ca8c0@TEXASSYSTEMS.COM>


Vlad,

If you're interested, I have developed a class called clsDAOLib that wraps
the most common DAO functions.

It handles setting up and shutting down the workspace and database
automatically for you. It handles parameter queries, and running groups of
queries in a transaction. It has full error handling. You can use it as a
standalone global object, or locally within another class or subroutine.

It isn't fancy, but it is mature, well-tested code that I have had around
for years, and have used in Access 2000, Excel and Project.

Code samples:

* Open a recordset from a query:
    Set rsTree = gDAO.OpenQueryDef("qryFrmProjBOMTree")

* Open a recordset from a parameter query:
    gDAO.AddQryParm "PMStatusID", lPMStatusID
    gDAO.AddQryParm "BOMID", lBOMID
    Set rRs = gDAO.OpenQueryDef("qryBOMPMStatus", dbOpenForwardOnly)

* Execute a parameter query and return the records affected:
    gDAO.AddQryParm "PMReleaseDate", dtPMReleaseDate
    lCt = gDAO.ExecuteQueryDef("qryBOMPMRelease", dbFailOnError +
dbSeeChanges)

* Open a recordset from a SQL string:
    Set rRs = gDAO.OpenSQL(sSQL, dbOpenForwardOnly)

* Execute a SQL string:
    gDAO.ExecuteSQL sSQL, dbFailOnError + dbSeeChanges

* Execute a batch of SQL statements within a transaction:
    With gDAO
        .AddSQL sSQLCommoditySaveDeletedPart
        .AddSQL sSQLCommodityPartDelete
        .AddSQL sSQLRuntimeSaveDeleted
        .AddSQL sSQLRuntimeDelete
        .ExecuteSQLBatch Options:=dbFailOnError + dbSeeChanges
    End With

If anyone is interested, please email me offline for the code, and short
instructions on use.

-Ken


-----Original Message-----
From: ACTEBS [mailto:actebs at actebs.com.au]
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 2:13 AM
To: access group
Subject: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?


Hi Everyone,

Does anyone have any code or such that handles the following elegantly:

Dim dbs as DAO.Database
Dim rst as DAO.Recordset

Set dbs etc etc

Do whatever here

dbs.close
dbs = nothing etc etc

I am tired of having do the above to open database connections and
recordsets in the above manner in every Sub or Function. Surely there's
a  more elegant method that someone has come up with here you just parse
the SQL Statement through or something...

Any suggestions or links will be greatly appreciated...

Regards
Vlad





From mikedorism at adelphia.net  Fri Sep 24 21:34:00 2004
From: mikedorism at adelphia.net (Mike & Doris Manning)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 22:34:00 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] date query
In-Reply-To: <000c01c4a27d$9b424600$f9c581d5@pedro>
Message-ID: <000001c4a2a8$1d8f1be0$060aa845@hargrove.internal>

Your first problem is probably the use of "Date" as a variable when it is a
Reserved word.  The syntax you are looking for is something like this...

SELECT Avg(Temperature) AS AvgTemp FROM tblMeasure1 WHERE [Date] BETWEEN
#...# AND #...#

Doris Manning
Database Administrator
Hargrove Inc.
www.hargroveinc.com


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Pedro Janssen
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 5:30 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] date query


Hello Group,

i have a table [tblmeasure1] and important for the query are two fields:
Date and Temperature.

I am trying to get avg, min etc. etc from Temperature in certain date
periods (Between #...# and #....#. But i keep running into errors. What is
the right way to do this?

Thanks 

Pedro Janssen
Cytologist
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Sat Sep 25 02:15:22 2004
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 09:15:22 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] date query
In-Reply-To: <000c01c4a27d$9b424600$f9c581d5@pedro>
References: <000c01c4a27d$9b424600$f9c581d5@pedro>
Message-ID: <691989590.20040925091522@cactus.dk>

Hi Pedro

> i have a table [tblmeasure1] and important for the query are two
> fields:  Date and Temperature. 

> I am trying to get avg, min etc. etc from Temperature in certain
> date periods (Between #...# and #....#. But i keep running into
> errors. What is the right way to do this?  

This is the way. So why not show us your query?

/gustav



From listmaster at databaseadvisors.com  Sat Sep 25 07:02:26 2004
From: listmaster at databaseadvisors.com (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 08:02:26 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Testing
Message-ID: <41552612.31413.1510D5@localhost>

Testing 1, 2, 3
-- 
Bryan Carbonnell - listmaster at databaseadvisors.com
Nobody can make you feel inferior without your permission.




From listmaster at databaseadvisors.com  Sat Sep 25 07:11:41 2004
From: listmaster at databaseadvisors.com (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 08:11:41 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Administrivia - Server Back Up
Message-ID: <4155283D.12253.1D8604@localhost>

Well, the mailserver and list software is back up and running.

Hopefully our problems are all cleared up now. If not, please let me 
know at either listmaster at databaseadvisors.com AND 
carbonnb at sympatico.ca

That way if dba's server is not working, then I will still be able to 
look at it.

Thanks for your understanding and patience.

-- 
Bryan Carbonnell - listmaster at databaseadvisors.com
There's a fine line between genius and insanity. I have erased this 
line. 




From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Sat Sep 25 08:44:34 2004
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 14:44:34 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Administrivia - Server Back Up
In-Reply-To: <4155283D.12253.1D8604@localhost>
Message-ID: <000701c4a305$caa288f0$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25>

A vote of thanks for Bryan's efforts.

-- Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Bryan Carbonnell
> Sent: 25 September 2004 13:12
> To: administrivia at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Administrivia - Server Back Up
> 
> 
> Well, the mailserver and list software is back up and running.
> 
> Hopefully our problems are all cleared up now. If not, please let me 
> know at either listmaster at databaseadvisors.com AND 
> carbonnb at sympatico.ca
> 
> That way if dba's server is not working, then I will still be able to 
> look at it.
> 
> Thanks for your understanding and patience.
> 
> -- 
> Bryan Carbonnell - listmaster at databaseadvisors.com
> There's a fine line between genius and insanity. I have erased this 
> line. 
> 
> 
> -- 
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> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 
> 



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Sep 25 08:55:46 2004
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 09:55:46 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Administrivia - Server Back Up
In-Reply-To: <000701c4a305$caa288f0$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25>
Message-ID: <006d01c4a307$5e6f0850$e8dafea9@ColbyM6805>

Hear Hear!

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2004 9:45 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Administrivia - Server Back Up


A vote of thanks for Bryan's efforts.

-- Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Bryan Carbonnell
> Sent: 25 September 2004 13:12
> To: administrivia at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Administrivia - Server Back Up
> 
> 
> Well, the mailserver and list software is back up and running.
> 
> Hopefully our problems are all cleared up now. If not, please let me
> know at either listmaster at databaseadvisors.com AND 
> carbonnb at sympatico.ca
> 
> That way if dba's server is not working, then I will still be able to
> look at it.
> 
> Thanks for your understanding and patience.
> 
> --
> Bryan Carbonnell - listmaster at databaseadvisors.com
> There's a fine line between genius and insanity. I have erased this 
> line. 
> 
> 
> --
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> 
> 

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From john at winhaven.net  Sat Sep 25 09:12:56 2004
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 09:12:56 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Administrivia - Server Back Up
In-Reply-To: <4155283D.12253.1D8604@localhost>
Message-ID: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJMEEJHOAA.john@winhaven.net>

Three cheers and a HUGE pat on the back for Bryan!

He did this maintenance work in his personal free time!

John Bartow, President
Database Advisors, Inc.
Email: mailto:president at databaseadvisors.com
Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Bryan
Carbonnell
Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2004 7:12 AM
To: administrivia at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Administrivia - Server Back Up


Well, the mailserver and list software is back up and running.

Hopefully our problems are all cleared up now. If not, please let me 
know at either listmaster at databaseadvisors.com AND 
carbonnb at sympatico.ca

That way if dba's server is not working, then I will still be able to 
look at it.

Thanks for your understanding and patience.

-- 
Bryan Carbonnell - listmaster at databaseadvisors.com
There's a fine line between genius and insanity. I have erased this 
line. 


-- 
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From Paul at PStrauss.net  Sat Sep 25 22:05:47 2004
From: Paul at PStrauss.net (Paul Strauss)
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 23:05:47 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?
In-Reply-To: <002f01c4a28f$f45e4ba0$2a3ca8c0@TEXASSYSTEMS.COM>
References: <2025BB6F17FCB54791F23CD505583328041BB3@starfleet.unknown.local>
	<002f01c4a28f$f45e4ba0$2a3ca8c0@TEXASSYSTEMS.COM>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20040925225505.021f3ab0@mail.pstrauss.net>

At 9/24/2004 07:41 PM, you wrote:

>Vlad,
>
>If you're interested, I have developed a class called clsDAOLib that wraps
>the most common DAO functions.
>
>...snip...
>If anyone is interested, please email me offline for the code, and short
>instructions on use.

Looks very interesting, very cool. I'd like to take a look.

I also have a few goodies that I'll share with you if you want. I have one 
class that edits names and addresses to fix the proper capitalization and 
to change addresses into what the USPS likes to see, e.g. Avenue -> Ave. 
I've got a great function, that I didn't actually write that properly 
quotes string for use in SQL strings, e.g. it properly quotes 5'4". One I 
did write is a function to properly quote dates and times. These all have 
been testing and working for years. I've got a bunch of other random stuff 
that I use all the time. I've been doing Access for about 10 years now and 
one tends to accumulate these things. I'm also working on a class to do an 
audit trail of any changes to a row. This one may still have some bugs as 
I've just finished it and it still needs some testing, but it seems to be 
mostly working.

If you want any of this stuff, I'll be glad to send them my "return mail". 
One thing I'd ask, if you could, but certainly not as a condition: I almost 
never have the opportunity for anyone to review and comment on my code, so 
I really don't know what is good, bad, or ugly. If you could comment on it, 
I love to hear your comments.


Regards,
Paul Strauss


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From Paul at PStrauss.net  Sat Sep 25 22:17:29 2004
From: Paul at PStrauss.net (Paul Strauss)
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 23:17:29 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Limiting User Navigation to Forms
In-Reply-To: <A5B5AA20555F594BA7B6BD2048E49E4384B41D@m-niosh-5.niosh.cdc .gov>
References: <A5B5AA20555F594BA7B6BD2048E49E4384B41D@m-niosh-5.niosh.cdc.gov>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20040925231036.021daa00@mail.pstrauss.net>


>I have about 50 users in 10 different departments.  Based on the user
>network login id, I want to limit the users ability to open up various
>forms - for instance, someone in the QA department would receive a "you
>are not authorized to open this form" message box  when they try to open
>up the AS departments data entry forms.  I don't want to have to code in
>each form that needs limitations an on open event to evaluate the id's
>and let those authorized through.  Has anyone built a table to hold
>network logins with passwords that are evaluated on form openings?

What I do in this situation is to not even show them the button to open the 
form. Why let them try to open the form, just to get a nany-nany-b00-boo 
message? Seriously, if you are trying to keep their mits off a form, the 
first line of defense is to not even let them know that there is something 
that they can't do. Showing them that there is something to do, but then 
blocking them, is bound to look like a challenge to some people. Even if 
they don't have anything sinister in mind, you still don't want them trying 
to break your security.


Regards,
Paul Strauss




From william.thompson1 at att.net  Sun Sep 26 00:16:38 2004
From: william.thompson1 at att.net (william.thompson1 at att.net)
Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 05:16:38 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Acc used to resolve SQL Svr Excel prb
Message-ID: <092620040516.18377.415650B50009C02E000047C92160376021CE02019C9F0301089BD2030E0704040799@att.net>

List,
I have a question about refreshing files that, for various reasons, I'm reluctant to create a job to delete in order to replace the data in them.   I'm thinking that Access will be the desired tool to replace/contain data used in a multi-sheet workbook, but am not clear on a few things about SQL Svr refreshes.  (The workbook's format and sheets layout has to stay intact).

One of the steps in a DTS package is used to run a sql statement against the worksheet - but the sql statement doesn't do anything in this case - it was simply set up to fit into the context of a series of DTS packages for purposes of destructively refreshing sheets within a set of Excel spreadsheets on a file share based on a customized set of strings in DTS.  One package replaces the data in each worksheet.
  
Am I correct to assume that within the context of sql server data transfers that
1.)  An Excel spreadsheet is updateable but Not insert/deletable.
2.)  While the driver is fairly recent, Excel data can be only be pulled by worksheet, not pushed.  
3.)  Because the requirement that  four worksheets stay intact in each Workbook, the destructive refresh imposes a requirement that four Access tables must be used by a macro or some other auto process to reconstruct four worksheets.  In my humble yet slightly uncertain opinion.

I'm good to go on the Access app used as a container to push/ be pulled, but I'm wondering if I overlooked anything.  Temp tables are not the favored method either, so this option would be a last resort.  The data has to be somewhat 'linked' to the file that is generated each week.

Any comments/suggestions appreciated.  What would we do without Excel huh?

Bill Thompson

From gustav at cactus.dk  Sun Sep 26 03:40:35 2004
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 10:40:35 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Acc used to resolve SQL Svr Excel prb
In-Reply-To: <092620040516.18377.415650B50009C02E000047C92160376021CE02019C9F0301089BD2030E0704040799@att.net>
References: <092620040516.18377.415650B50009C02E000047C92160376021CE02019C9F0301089BD2030E0704040799@att.net>
Message-ID: <1912137323.20040926104035@cactus.dk>

Hi William

> Am I correct to assume that within the context of sql server data transfers that

> 1.)  An Excel spreadsheet is updateable but Not insert/deletable.

You can update and, if empty rows are present, add records.
No deletes. However, you can write a simple erase function looping
through the rows and the fields of these clearing these by setting the
value to Null. Indeed, for an attached table (see next) this is very
easy and fast.

> 2.)  While the driver is fairly recent, Excel data can be only be
> pulled by worksheet, not pushed.

Not quite sure what you mean. If you attach a worksheet or - the
preferred method - a Named Range, you can read and write data in both
Access and Excel.

> 3.)  Because the requirement that  four worksheets stay intact in
> each Workbook, the destructive refresh imposes a requirement that
> four Access tables must be used by a macro or some other auto
> process to reconstruct four worksheets.  In my humble yet slightly
> uncertain opinion.

The fastest way to "refresh" a workbook is simply to delete it
completely and create a new copy from a master which is never touched.
Also, this ensures that your workbook never gets bloated or corrupted
by multiple writings. If you need to keep the old data, just rename
the workbook (and move it to an archive folder) instead of deleting
it. 

> I'm good to go on the Access app used as a container to push/ be
> pulled, but I'm wondering if I overlooked anything.  Temp tables are
> not the favored method either, so this option would be a last
> resort.  The data has to be somewhat 'linked' to the file that is
> generated each week.

Temp tables can be very useful. It is much faster to manipulate data
in a temp Access/Jet table and - when ready - copy the data to the
attached Excel tables. Just keep the temp tables in a separate file
which you - as for the workbook - can replace by a new and empty copy
of a master each week.

/gustav



From jmoss111 at bellsouth.net  Sun Sep 26 04:20:12 2004
From: jmoss111 at bellsouth.net (JMoss)
Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 04:20:12 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Acc used to resolve SQL Svr Excel prb
In-Reply-To: <092620040516.18377.415650B50009C02E000047C92160376021CE02019C9F0301089BD2030E0704040799@att.net>
Message-ID: <OKEMICJGPJCMJCCHGNDEGEADCOAA.jmoss111@bellsouth.net>

Why not start a macro and then format the sheets and save the macro, then
copy the vba code from the macro into an access module, that lets you
recreate the formatting? Then read the data from sql server into recordsets
in access and use automation to create the spreadsheet. I am doing this with
linked Oracle Financials tables and it works quite well.

Jim



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
william.thompson1 at att.net
Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2004 12:17 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Acc used to resolve SQL Svr Excel prb


List,
I have a question about refreshing files that, for various reasons, I'm
reluctant to create a job to delete in order to replace the data in them.
I'm thinking that Access will be the desired tool to replace/contain data
used in a multi-sheet workbook, but am not clear on a few things about SQL
Svr refreshes.  (The workbook's format and sheets layout has to stay
intact).

One of the steps in a DTS package is used to run a sql statement against the
worksheet - but the sql statement doesn't do anything in this case - it was
simply set up to fit into the context of a series of DTS packages for
purposes of destructively refreshing sheets within a set of Excel
spreadsheets on a file share based on a customized set of strings in DTS.
One package replaces the data in each worksheet.

Am I correct to assume that within the context of sql server data transfers
that
1.)  An Excel spreadsheet is updateable but Not insert/deletable.
2.)  While the driver is fairly recent, Excel data can be only be pulled by
worksheet, not pushed.
3.)  Because the requirement that  four worksheets stay intact in each
Workbook, the destructive refresh imposes a requirement that four Access
tables must be used by a macro or some other auto process to reconstruct
four worksheets.  In my humble yet slightly uncertain opinion.

I'm good to go on the Access app used as a container to push/ be pulled, but
I'm wondering if I overlooked anything.  Temp tables are not the favored
method either, so this option would be a last resort.  The data has to be
somewhat 'linked' to the file that is generated each week.

Any comments/suggestions appreciated.  What would we do without Excel huh?

Bill Thompson
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From william.thompson1 at att.net  Sun Sep 26 12:31:41 2004
From: william.thompson1 at att.net (william.thompson1 at att.net)
Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 17:31:41 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Acc used to resolve SQL Svr Excel prb
Message-ID: <092620041731.27156.4156FCFC000E335B00006A142158766720CE02019C9F0301089BD2030E0704040799@att.net>

<< clearing these by setting the value to Null >>
it would be interesting to see what shortcuts would evolve if a refresh was done this way in Excel.

<<what you mean>>
I meant to say 'the Excel driver in SQL Server, context of DTS' which is ISAM I think - basically text??.  I'll look into that.
But anyway, I'm glad to get a second nod regarding how Excel files are updated. 
I was certain there was no insert / delete, but DTS is too flexible sometimes, and the when the package was written, it was apparently tested.

<<Excel Workbook... If you need to keep the old data, just rename the workbook >>
SQL Server DTS would be doing this task, and I'm still looking into the shell xp (system stored procedure) that handles this.  

<<use temp tables>>
You're right -   the Access DB could be attaching after the data is destroyed/refreshed.

I appreciate the help,

William N. Thompson



-------------- Original message from Gustav Brock : -------------- 

> Hi William 
> 
> > Am I correct to assume that within the context of sql server data transfers 
> that 
> 
> > 1.) An Excel spreadsheet is updateable but Not insert/deletable. 
> 
> You can update and, if empty rows are present, add records. 
> No deletes. However, you can write a simple erase function looping 
> through the rows and the fields of these clearing these by setting the 
> value to Null. Indeed, for an attached table (see next) this is very 
> easy and fast. 
> 
> > 2.) While the driver is fairly recent, Excel data can be only be 
> > pulled by worksheet, not pushed. 
> 
> Not quite sure what you mean. If you attach a worksheet or - the 
> preferred method - a Named Range, you can read and write data in both 
> Access and Excel. 
> 
> > 3.) Because the requirement that four worksheets stay intact in 
> > each Workbook, the destructive refresh imposes a requirement that 
> > four Access tables must be used by a macro or some other auto 
> > process to reconstruct four worksheets. In my humble yet slightly 
> > uncertain opinion. 
> 
> The fastest way to "refresh" a workbook is simply to delete it 
> completely and create a new copy from a master which is never touched. 
> Also, this ensures that your workbook never gets bloated or corrupted 
> by multiple writings. If you need to keep the old data, just rename 
> the workbook (and move it to an archive folder) instead of deleting 
> it. 
> 
> > I'm good to go on the Access app used as a container to push/ be 
> > pulled, but I'm wondering if I overlooked anything. Temp tables are 
> > not the favored method either, so this option would be a last 
> > resort. The data has to be somewhat 'linked' to the file that is 
> > generated each week. 
> 
> Temp tables can be very useful. It is much faster to manipulate data 
> in a temp Access/Jet table and - when ready - copy the data to the 
> attached Excel tables. Just keep the temp tables in a separate file 
> which you - as for the workbook - can replace by a new and empty copy 
> of a master each week. 
> 
> /gustav 
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From william.thompson1 at att.net  Sun Sep 26 12:48:43 2004
From: william.thompson1 at att.net (william.thompson1 at att.net)
Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 17:48:43 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Acc used to resolve SQL Svr Excel prb
Message-ID: <092620041748.6326.415700FA000E35C0000018B62158766720CE02019C9F0301089BD2030E0704040799@att.net>

Jim,
Good point.  I'd like to be doing just that, and have an Access app already set up.  I'd also like to log some of the process in a little xml file. I've got a bunch of code in several different places that I need to bring together to make it happen.  

This situation - the SQL Svr DTS package was apparently written some time ago, tested with a not-so-realistic set of data.  It was certain to break on 'Delete from Workbook' script in the transform.  I was almost sure (now very sure) there was no insert / delete in ISAM, but DTS is too flexible sometimes, and the when the package was written, it was apparently tested.

The Access app I'd like to be similar to your situation -  flexible and be able to handle any data source - SQL Server, Oracle, Excel, Text, and XML - soon.  I imagine it will take some time for DTS packages in a typical Enterprise to be written with this in mind.  Oracle RDMS are probably further along in terms of XML.

Bill

-------------- Original message from "JMoss" : -------------- 

> Why not start a macro and then format the sheets and save the macro, then 
> copy the vba code from the macro into an access module, that lets you 
> recreate the formatting? Then read the data from sql server into recordsets 
> in access and use automation to create the spreadsheet. I am doing this with 
> linked Oracle Financials tables and it works quite well. 
> 
> Jim 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of 
> william.thompson1 at att.net 
> Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2004 12:17 AM 
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Acc used to resolve SQL Svr Excel prb 
> 
> 
> List, 
> I have a question about refreshing files that, for various reasons, I'm 
> reluctant to create a job to delete in order to replace the data in them. 
> I'm thinking that Access will be the desired tool to replace/contain data 
> used in a multi-sheet workbook, but am not clear on a few things about SQL 
> Svr refreshes. (The workbook's format and sheets layout has to stay 
> intact). 
> 
> One of the steps in a DTS package is used to run a sql statement against the 
> worksheet - but the sql statement doesn't do anything in this case - it was 
> simply set up to fit into the context of a series of DTS packages for 
> purposes of destructively refreshing sheets within a set of Excel 
> spreadsheets on a file share based on a customized set of strings in DTS. 
> One package replaces the data in each worksheet. 
> 
> Am I correct to assume that within the context of sql server data transfers 
> that 
> 1.) An Excel spreadsheet is updateable but Not insert/deletable. 
> 2.) While the driver is fairly recent, Excel data can be only be pulled by 
> worksheet, not pushed. 
> 3.) Because the requirement that four worksheets stay intact in each 
> Workbook, the destructive refresh imposes a requirement that four Access 
> tables must be used by a macro or some other auto process to reconstruct 
> four worksheets. In my humble yet slightly uncertain opinion. 
> 
> I'm good to go on the Access app used as a container to push/ be pulled, but 
> I'm wondering if I overlooked anything. Temp tables are not the favored 
> method either, so this option would be a last resort. The data has to be 
> somewhat 'linked' to the file that is generated each week. 
> 
> Any comments/suggestions appreciated. What would we do without Excel huh? 
> 
> Bill Thompson 
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From william.thompson1 at att.net  Sun Sep 26 13:04:41 2004
From: william.thompson1 at att.net (william.thompson1 at att.net)
Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 18:04:41 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Acc used to resolve SQL Svr Excel prb
Message-ID: <092620041804.14809.415704B8000BD3D6000039D92158766720CE02019C9F0301089BD2030E0704040799@att.net>

oops, I goofed the most important part
That should read -- It was certain to break on 'Delete from Worksheet' script in the transform  -- (not 'From Workbook' though that would break too!). 

The crux of the problem was that four worksheets, data created by SQL server, had to stay intact in each workbook, thus the Access app 

Bill 

From roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk  Mon Sep 27 03:07:58 2004
From: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk (Roz Clarke)
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 09:07:58 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Administrivia - Server Back Up
Message-ID: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C8318805CED50A@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>

hip hip!

-----Original Message-----
From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net] 
Sent: 25 September 2004 15:13
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Administrivia - Server Back Up


Three cheers and a HUGE pat on the back for Bryan!

He did this maintenance work in his personal free time!

John Bartow, President
Database Advisors, Inc.
Email: mailto:president at databaseadvisors.com
Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Bryan Carbonnell
Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2004 7:12 AM
To: administrivia at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Administrivia - Server Back Up


Well, the mailserver and list software is back up and running.

Hopefully our problems are all cleared up now. If not, please let me 
know at either listmaster at databaseadvisors.com AND 
carbonnb at sympatico.ca

That way if dba's server is not working, then I will still be able to 
look at it.

Thanks for your understanding and patience.

-- 
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There's a fine line between genius and insanity. I have erased this 
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From cyx5 at cdc.gov  Mon Sep 27 05:33:12 2004
From: cyx5 at cdc.gov (Nicholson, Karen)
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 06:33:12 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access/SQL Dates
Message-ID: <A5B5AA20555F594BA7B6BD2048E49E43840722@m-niosh-5.niosh.cdc.gov>

I have an Access front-end and am querying an SQL backend.  When putting
in a select statement in the query, all is fine if I specify a date of
say, less than today or <date()... However, if I try to specify a
particular date, I get an sql overflow error.  The syntaxes I have tried
include: <#9/27/2004#  <'9/27/2004' <'20040927'.  Any clues?  Thanks.

Karen Nicholson
National Laboratory
Xerox Global Services




From mikedorism at adelphia.net  Mon Sep 27 06:27:28 2004
From: mikedorism at adelphia.net (Mike & Doris Manning)
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 07:27:28 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access/SQL Dates
In-Reply-To: <A5B5AA20555F594BA7B6BD2048E49E43840722@m-niosh-5.niosh.cdc.gov>
Message-ID: <000d01c4a484$f8c20640$060aa845@hargrove.internal>

I ran into this problem when I used smalldatetime in the table as the data
type instead of datetime.  To be honest, I was in a hurry and didn't have
time to figure out why it was happening.  I just changed from smalldatetime
to datetime and the problem went away.  I've never used smalldatetime since
then.

Doris Manning
Database Administrator
Hargrove Inc.
www.hargroveinc.com


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Nicholson, Karen
Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 6:33 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Access/SQL Dates


I have an Access front-end and am querying an SQL backend.  When putting in
a select statement in the query, all is fine if I specify a date of say,
less than today or <date()... However, if I try to specify a particular
date, I get an sql overflow error.  The syntaxes I have tried
include: <#9/27/2004#  <'9/27/2004' <'20040927'.  Any clues?  Thanks.

Karen Nicholson
National Laboratory
Xerox Global Services


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From cyx5 at cdc.gov  Mon Sep 27 07:19:03 2004
From: cyx5 at cdc.gov (Nicholson, Karen)
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 08:19:03 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access/SQL Dates
Message-ID: <A5B5AA20555F594BA7B6BD2048E49E43840724@m-niosh-5.niosh.cdc.gov>

Interesting.  The SQL backend structure can not be changed as it is
proprietary.  Yikes.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mike & Doris
Manning
Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 7:27 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access/SQL Dates


I ran into this problem when I used smalldatetime in the table as the
data
type instead of datetime.  To be honest, I was in a hurry and didn't
have
time to figure out why it was happening.  I just changed from
smalldatetime
to datetime and the problem went away.  I've never used smalldatetime
since
then.

Doris Manning
Database Administrator
Hargrove Inc.
www.hargroveinc.com


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Nicholson,
Karen
Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 6:33 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Access/SQL Dates


I have an Access front-end and am querying an SQL backend.  When putting
in
a select statement in the query, all is fine if I specify a date of say,
less than today or <date()... However, if I try to specify a particular
date, I get an sql overflow error.  The syntaxes I have tried
include: <#9/27/2004#  <'9/27/2004' <'20040927'.  Any clues?  Thanks.

Karen Nicholson
National Laboratory
Xerox Global Services


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From garykjos at hotmail.com  Mon Sep 27 07:25:29 2004
From: garykjos at hotmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 07:25:29 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] RE: Administrivia - Server Back Up
Message-ID: <BAY2-F2xp1ZubIiC08B0000bcd9@hotmail.com>

Thank you for doing this work Bryan!  I hope this does the trick and all wll 
be well again.


Gary Kjos
garykjos at hotmail.com





>From: "Bryan Carbonnell" <listmaster at databaseadvisors.com>
>Reply-To: Discussion of Hardware and Software 
>issues<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: administrivia at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: [dba-Tech] Administrivia - Server Back Up
>Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 08:11:41 -0400
>
>Well, the mailserver and list software is back up and running.
>
>Hopefully our problems are all cleared up now. If not, please let me
>know at either listmaster at databaseadvisors.com AND
>carbonnb at sympatico.ca
>
>That way if dba's server is not working, then I will still be able to
>look at it.
>
>Thanks for your understanding and patience.
>
>--
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From garykjos at hotmail.com  Mon Sep 27 07:36:41 2004
From: garykjos at hotmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 07:36:41 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Administrivia - Server Back Up
Message-ID: <BAY2-F37sxusY5HgCom0005c7aa@hotmail.com>

Thanks Bryan!



Gary Kjos
garykjos at hotmail.com





>From: "John W. Colby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving'"<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Administrivia - Server Back Up
>Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 09:55:46 -0400
>
>Hear Hear!
>
>John W. Colby
>www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
>Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2004 9:45 AM
>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Administrivia - Server Back Up
>
>
>A vote of thanks for Bryan's efforts.
>
>-- Andy Lacey
>http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > Bryan Carbonnell
> > Sent: 25 September 2004 13:12
> > To: administrivia at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: [AccessD] Administrivia - Server Back Up
> >
> >
> > Well, the mailserver and list software is back up and running.
> >
> > Hopefully our problems are all cleared up now. If not, please let me
> > know at either listmaster at databaseadvisors.com AND
> > carbonnb at sympatico.ca
> >
> > That way if dba's server is not working, then I will still be able to
> > look at it.
> >
> > Thanks for your understanding and patience.
> >
> > --
> > Bryan Carbonnell - listmaster at databaseadvisors.com
> > There's a fine line between genius and insanity. I have erased this
> > line.
> >
> >
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From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com  Mon Sep 27 10:18:53 2004
From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 11:18:53 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access/SQL Dates
Message-ID: <1D7828CDB8350747AFE9D69E0E90DA1F0471A96E@xlivmbx21.aig.com>

Very probably I am wrong as I've not yet had the joy of dealing with SQL
server, but is it not the case that the date delimiting character in SQL
Server is the percentage symbol (%) not pound or hash (#)?

Lambert

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [SMTP:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Nicholson, Karen
> Sent:	Monday, September 27, 2004 8:19 AM
> To:	Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject:	RE: [AccessD] Access/SQL Dates
> 
> Interesting.  The SQL backend structure can not be changed as it is
> proprietary.  Yikes.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mike & Doris
> Manning
> Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 7:27 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access/SQL Dates
> 
> 
> I ran into this problem when I used smalldatetime in the table as the
> data
> type instead of datetime.  To be honest, I was in a hurry and didn't
> have
> time to figure out why it was happening.  I just changed from
> smalldatetime
> to datetime and the problem went away.  I've never used smalldatetime
> since
> then.
> 
> Doris Manning
> Database Administrator
> Hargrove Inc.
> www.hargroveinc.com
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Nicholson,
> Karen
> Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 6:33 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Access/SQL Dates
> 
> 
> I have an Access front-end and am querying an SQL backend.  When putting
> in
> a select statement in the query, all is fine if I specify a date of say,
> less than today or <date()... However, if I try to specify a particular
> date, I get an sql overflow error.  The syntaxes I have tried
> include: <#9/27/2004#  <'9/27/2004' <'20040927'.  Any clues?  Thanks.
> 
> Karen Nicholson
> National Laboratory
> Xerox Global Services
> 
> 
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Sep 27 10:43:04 2004
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 08:43:04 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] ADPs  in the future
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312A7B@infoserver01.infostat.local>

All I know is that the State of California and the Federal government
are still using Access desktop databases for stuff the programmers don't
have time to create and small business still has the need for custom
database apps that don't require SQL Server. ;-/


Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Ken Ismert [mailto:KIsmert at TexasSystems.com] 
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 10:02 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] ADPs in the future



Dan,

Unless the next version of Access is a completely .NET centric product,
Windows forms on top, VB.NET or C# underneath, and is fully web enabled
(in other words the complete rewrite Mary Chipman said they weren't
going to do), it will have nothing of interest in it for me.

A simple test: if the next version of Access doesn't natively support
Microsoft's flagship database, SQL Server 2005, it has been abandoned.

I would like to hear more responses regarding the current prospects of
Access consulting. Nearly everyone I know locally is either having a
tough time getting Access work, or is moving away from Access towards
more profitable work. A consensus from this group that there is a
burgeoning Access job market in the near future would do more than
anything else to dispel my pessimism.

And yes, the bright side of the story is that the fundamentals we learn
here are applicable to any new data environment we may encounter.

-Ken

-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Waters [mailto:dwaters at usinternet.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 3:35 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] ADPs in the future


Ken,

Let's not sink the ship just yet.  A new version of Access (12) will
soon begin to be discussed.  Let's see what it is first.

OTOH, the skills that I know I've developed will let learn whatever I
need to learn to make my future work!

Dan Waters

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Sep 27 10:45:22 2004
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 08:45:22 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312A7C@infoserver01.infostat.local>

The difference is that if you use CurrentDb, you don't have to refresh
to see the changes.  DBEngine is faster because it doesn't refresh
automatically.  Redo your test with a refresh after every change and see
how they compare.

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Waters [mailto:dwaters at usinternet.com] 
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 7:06 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?


Using CurrentDB everywhere is slower.

I use:
Set rst = DBEngine(0)(0).OpenRecordset(stg,db.....)

I did a test once and determined that using the above line is exactly 8
times faster than using: Set rst = CurrentDB.OpenRecordset(stg,db.....)

However, you must use CurrentDB for some things, like setting the
current database's properties in VBA.

Dan Waters

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby Heid
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 6:19 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?

I thought using currentdb everywhere used extra resources and was a
no-no.

Bobby

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Erwin Craps -
IT Helps
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 3:57 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?


I never do  dbs as DAO.Database


I always do 
Set rstTemp as currentdb.openrecordset (bla bla)

Dbs can be replaced by currentdb


Erwin


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of ACTEBS
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 9:13 AM
To: access group
Subject: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?

Hi Everyone,
 
Does anyone have any code or such that handles the following elegantly:
 
Dim dbs as DAO.Database
Dim rst as DAO.Recordset
 
Set dbs etc etc
 
Do whatever here
 
dbs.close
dbs = nothing etc etc
 
I am tired of having do the above to open database connections and
recordsets in the above manner in every Sub or Function. Surely there's
a more elegant method that someone has come up with here you just parse
the SQL Statement through or something...
 
Any suggestions or links will be greatly appreciated...
 
Regards
Vlad
 
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From mikedorism at adelphia.net  Mon Sep 27 10:44:36 2004
From: mikedorism at adelphia.net (Mike & Doris Manning)
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 11:44:36 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access/SQL Dates
In-Reply-To: <1D7828CDB8350747AFE9D69E0E90DA1F0471A96E@xlivmbx21.aig.com>
Message-ID: <000001c4a4a8$e4c62b70$060aa845@hargrove.internal>

You are incorrect.  The single quote (') is the correct delimiting character
to replace the pound sign (#) used by Access.  The percentage symbol (%) is
the character to use when doing a LIKE search -- Access used an asterisk
(*).

Doris Manning
Database Administrator
Hargrove Inc.
www.hargroveinc.com


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert
Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 11:19 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; 'Nicholson, Karen'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access/SQL Dates


Very probably I am wrong as I've not yet had the joy of dealing with SQL
server, but is it not the case that the date delimiting character in SQL
Server is the percentage symbol (%) not pound or hash (#)?

Lambert



From mark.breen at gmail.com  Mon Sep 27 10:57:49 2004
From: mark.breen at gmail.com (Mark Breen)
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 16:57:49 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312A7C@infoserver01.infostat.local>
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312A7C@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <26a96cce040927085772db8b56@mail.gmail.com>

Hello All,

Does anyone have a similar class or function for elegantly handling
ADO record sets ?

Or similar in the .Net environment ?

Mark Breen
Ireland



On Mon, 27 Sep 2004 08:45:22 -0700, Charlotte Foust
<cfoust at infostatsystems.com> wrote:
> The difference is that if you use CurrentDb, you don't have to refresh
> to see the changes.  DBEngine is faster because it doesn't refresh
> automatically.  Redo your test with a refresh after every change and see
> how they compare.
> 
> Charlotte Foust
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dan Waters [mailto:dwaters at usinternet.com]
> Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 7:06 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?
> 
> Using CurrentDB everywhere is slower.
> 
> I use:
> Set rst = DBEngine(0)(0).OpenRecordset(stg,db.....)
> 
> I did a test once and determined that using the above line is exactly 8
> times faster than using: Set rst = CurrentDB.OpenRecordset(stg,db.....)
> 
> However, you must use CurrentDB for some things, like setting the
> current database's properties in VBA.
> 
> Dan Waters
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby Heid
> Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 6:19 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?
> 
> I thought using currentdb everywhere used extra resources and was a
> no-no.
> 
> Bobby
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Erwin Craps -
> IT Helps
> Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 3:57 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?
> 
> I never do  dbs as DAO.Database
> 
> I always do
> Set rstTemp as currentdb.openrecordset (bla bla)
> 
> Dbs can be replaced by currentdb
> 
> Erwin
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of ACTEBS
> Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 9:13 AM
> To: access group
> Subject: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?
> 
> Hi Everyone,
> 
> Does anyone have any code or such that handles the following elegantly:
> 
> Dim dbs as DAO.Database
> Dim rst as DAO.Recordset
> 
> Set dbs etc etc
> 
> Do whatever here
> 
> dbs.close
> dbs = nothing etc etc
> 
> I am tired of having do the above to open database connections and
> recordsets in the above manner in every Sub or Function. Surely there's
> a more elegant method that someone has come up with here you just parse
> the SQL Statement through or something...
> 
> Any suggestions or links will be greatly appreciated...
> 
> Regards
> Vlad
> 
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From gjgiever at myway.com  Mon Sep 27 11:13:08 2004
From: gjgiever at myway.com (Gary J. Giever)
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 12:13:08 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [AccessD] No Permission?
Message-ID: <20040927161308.6AAE73A72@mprdmxin.myway.com>


I have an annoying problem with Access 97 that began when I switched from Windows 98SE to Windows XP Pro.  Now when I try to re-link tables, I get this message from the Linked Table Manager:  "You do not have access to the folder 'C:\My Documents\Access\In Progress\*.mdb'.  See your administrator for access to this folder."  Most of the time it lets me re-link the tables anyway, but sometimes it will not.

This is confusing since I am the administrator and only user of this computer.  I have checked the Security settings under properties for the files and I seem to have permission.  Any ideas?


Gary J. Giever, M.A.
Applications Developer
ACCMHS
3285 122nd Avenue
PO Drawer 130
Allegan, MI  49010



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From cyx5 at cdc.gov  Mon Sep 27 11:13:04 2004
From: cyx5 at cdc.gov (Nicholson, Karen)
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 12:13:04 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] ADPs  in the future
Message-ID: <A5B5AA20555F594BA7B6BD2048E49E4384072F@m-niosh-5.niosh.cdc.gov>

I am working for the CDC at this time.  They could not find an Access
person in Pittsburgh to do what they needed. ?  They want to take this
to .net, so I am studying asp.net and vb.net as I develop and fix this
in Access.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 11:43 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] ADPs in the future


All I know is that the State of California and the Federal government
are still using Access desktop databases for stuff the programmers don't
have time to create and small business still has the need for custom
database apps that don't require SQL Server. ;-/


Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Ken Ismert [mailto:KIsmert at TexasSystems.com] 
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 10:02 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] ADPs in the future



Dan,

Unless the next version of Access is a completely .NET centric product,
Windows forms on top, VB.NET or C# underneath, and is fully web enabled
(in other words the complete rewrite Mary Chipman said they weren't
going to do), it will have nothing of interest in it for me.

A simple test: if the next version of Access doesn't natively support
Microsoft's flagship database, SQL Server 2005, it has been abandoned.

I would like to hear more responses regarding the current prospects of
Access consulting. Nearly everyone I know locally is either having a
tough time getting Access work, or is moving away from Access towards
more profitable work. A consensus from this group that there is a
burgeoning Access job market in the near future would do more than
anything else to dispel my pessimism.

And yes, the bright side of the story is that the fundamentals we learn
here are applicable to any new data environment we may encounter.

-Ken

-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Waters [mailto:dwaters at usinternet.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 3:35 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] ADPs in the future


Ken,

Let's not sink the ship just yet.  A new version of Access (12) will
soon begin to be discussed.  Let's see what it is first.

OTOH, the skills that I know I've developed will let learn whatever I
need to learn to make my future work!

Dan Waters

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From Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org  Mon Sep 27 11:27:39 2004
From: Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 12:27:39 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?
Message-ID: <08F823FD83787D4BA0B99CA580AD3C744867FF@TTNEXCHCL2.hshhp.com>

I have one for VB but it can easily be modded if you're using <A2K.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Mark Breen
Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 11:58 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?


Hello All,

Does anyone have a similar class or function for elegantly handling
ADO record sets ?

Or similar in the .Net environment ?

Mark Breen
Ireland



On Mon, 27 Sep 2004 08:45:22 -0700, Charlotte Foust
<cfoust at infostatsystems.com> wrote:
> The difference is that if you use CurrentDb, you don't have to refresh
> to see the changes.  DBEngine is faster because it doesn't refresh
> automatically.  Redo your test with a refresh after every change and see
> how they compare.
> 
> Charlotte Foust
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dan Waters [mailto:dwaters at usinternet.com]
> Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 7:06 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?
> 
> Using CurrentDB everywhere is slower.
> 
> I use:
> Set rst = DBEngine(0)(0).OpenRecordset(stg,db.....)
> 
> I did a test once and determined that using the above line is exactly 8
> times faster than using: Set rst = CurrentDB.OpenRecordset(stg,db.....)
> 
> However, you must use CurrentDB for some things, like setting the
> current database's properties in VBA.
> 
> Dan Waters
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby Heid
> Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 6:19 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?
> 
> I thought using currentdb everywhere used extra resources and was a
> no-no.
> 
> Bobby
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Erwin Craps -
> IT Helps
> Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 3:57 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?
> 
> I never do  dbs as DAO.Database
> 
> I always do
> Set rstTemp as currentdb.openrecordset (bla bla)
> 
> Dbs can be replaced by currentdb
> 
> Erwin
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of ACTEBS
> Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 9:13 AM
> To: access group
> Subject: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?
> 
> Hi Everyone,
> 
> Does anyone have any code or such that handles the following elegantly:
> 
> Dim dbs as DAO.Database
> Dim rst as DAO.Recordset
> 
> Set dbs etc etc
> 
> Do whatever here
> 
> dbs.close
> dbs = nothing etc etc
> 
> I am tired of having do the above to open database connections and
> recordsets in the above manner in every Sub or Function. Surely there's
> a more elegant method that someone has come up with here you just parse
> the SQL Statement through or something...
> 
> Any suggestions or links will be greatly appreciated...
> 
> Regards
> Vlad
> 
> --
> _______________________________________________
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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Mon Sep 27 12:35:16 2004
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 12:35:16 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?
In-Reply-To: <23202672.1096300635849.JavaMail.root@sniper5.usinternet.com>
Message-ID: <000201c4a4b8$5a5eb370$de1811d8@danwaters>

Charlotte,

Thanks for describing this - I did not know that was the difference.  With
what I'm currently doing I don't need to refresh immediately, but I'll
remember this for when I do.

Thanks!
Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 10:45 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?

The difference is that if you use CurrentDb, you don't have to refresh
to see the changes.  DBEngine is faster because it doesn't refresh
automatically.  Redo your test with a refresh after every change and see
how they compare.

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Waters [mailto:dwaters at usinternet.com] 
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 7:06 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?


Using CurrentDB everywhere is slower.

I use:
Set rst = DBEngine(0)(0).OpenRecordset(stg,db.....)

I did a test once and determined that using the above line is exactly 8
times faster than using: Set rst = CurrentDB.OpenRecordset(stg,db.....)

However, you must use CurrentDB for some things, like setting the
current database's properties in VBA.

Dan Waters

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby Heid
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 6:19 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?

I thought using currentdb everywhere used extra resources and was a
no-no.

Bobby

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Erwin Craps -
IT Helps
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 3:57 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?


I never do  dbs as DAO.Database


I always do 
Set rstTemp as currentdb.openrecordset (bla bla)

Dbs can be replaced by currentdb


Erwin


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of ACTEBS
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 9:13 AM
To: access group
Subject: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?

Hi Everyone,
 
Does anyone have any code or such that handles the following elegantly:
 
Dim dbs as DAO.Database
Dim rst as DAO.Recordset
 
Set dbs etc etc
 
Do whatever here
 
dbs.close
dbs = nothing etc etc
 
I am tired of having do the above to open database connections and
recordsets in the above manner in every Sub or Function. Surely there's
a more elegant method that someone has come up with here you just parse
the SQL Statement through or something...
 
Any suggestions or links will be greatly appreciated...
 
Regards
Vlad
 
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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Mon Sep 27 12:37:34 2004
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 12:37:34 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] ADPs  in the future
In-Reply-To: <3916622.1096303779545.JavaMail.root@sniper6.usinternet.com>
Message-ID: <000301c4a4b8$ac980c40$de1811d8@danwaters>

Karen,

What was it they wanted to do in Access that they couldn't find anyone to
do?

Dan Waters

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Nicholson, Karen
Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 11:13 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] ADPs in the future

I am working for the CDC at this time.  They could not find an Access
person in Pittsburgh to do what they needed. ?  They want to take this
to .net, so I am studying asp.net and vb.net as I develop and fix this
in Access.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 11:43 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] ADPs in the future


All I know is that the State of California and the Federal government
are still using Access desktop databases for stuff the programmers don't
have time to create and small business still has the need for custom
database apps that don't require SQL Server. ;-/


Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Ken Ismert [mailto:KIsmert at TexasSystems.com] 
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 10:02 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] ADPs in the future



Dan,

Unless the next version of Access is a completely .NET centric product,
Windows forms on top, VB.NET or C# underneath, and is fully web enabled
(in other words the complete rewrite Mary Chipman said they weren't
going to do), it will have nothing of interest in it for me.

A simple test: if the next version of Access doesn't natively support
Microsoft's flagship database, SQL Server 2005, it has been abandoned.

I would like to hear more responses regarding the current prospects of
Access consulting. Nearly everyone I know locally is either having a
tough time getting Access work, or is moving away from Access towards
more profitable work. A consensus from this group that there is a
burgeoning Access job market in the near future would do more than
anything else to dispel my pessimism.

And yes, the bright side of the story is that the fundamentals we learn
here are applicable to any new data environment we may encounter.

-Ken

-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Waters [mailto:dwaters at usinternet.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 3:35 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] ADPs in the future


Ken,

Let's not sink the ship just yet.  A new version of Access (12) will
soon begin to be discussed.  Let's see what it is first.

OTOH, the skills that I know I've developed will let learn whatever I
need to learn to make my future work!

Dan Waters

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From cyx5 at cdc.gov  Mon Sep 27 13:14:12 2004
From: cyx5 at cdc.gov (Nicholson, Karen)
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 14:14:12 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] ADPs  in the future
Message-ID: <A5B5AA20555F594BA7B6BD2048E49E43840733@m-niosh-5.niosh.cdc.gov>

The system was originally written by an employee who was not a
programmer but was incredibly resourceful in getting the program to work
with a million macros.  They hired a firm to turn it into a web
application and the project failed after about a $300,000 investment.
Then they decided to get someone in to make the Access application work
better.  Once this is up and running and we have an understanding of the
tangled web that was woven, then we can up it to the .net environment.
Why couldn't they find anyone in Pittsburgh?  Looks like most folks have
moved up to the .net environment here.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 1:38 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] ADPs in the future


Karen,

What was it they wanted to do in Access that they couldn't find anyone
to
do?

Dan Waters

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Nicholson,
Karen
Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 11:13 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] ADPs in the future

I am working for the CDC at this time.  They could not find an Access
person in Pittsburgh to do what they needed. ?  They want to take this
to .net, so I am studying asp.net and vb.net as I develop and fix this
in Access.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 11:43 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] ADPs in the future


All I know is that the State of California and the Federal government
are still using Access desktop databases for stuff the programmers don't
have time to create and small business still has the need for custom
database apps that don't require SQL Server. ;-/


Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Ken Ismert [mailto:KIsmert at TexasSystems.com] 
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 10:02 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] ADPs in the future



Dan,

Unless the next version of Access is a completely .NET centric product,
Windows forms on top, VB.NET or C# underneath, and is fully web enabled
(in other words the complete rewrite Mary Chipman said they weren't
going to do), it will have nothing of interest in it for me.

A simple test: if the next version of Access doesn't natively support
Microsoft's flagship database, SQL Server 2005, it has been abandoned.

I would like to hear more responses regarding the current prospects of
Access consulting. Nearly everyone I know locally is either having a
tough time getting Access work, or is moving away from Access towards
more profitable work. A consensus from this group that there is a
burgeoning Access job market in the near future would do more than
anything else to dispel my pessimism.

And yes, the bright side of the story is that the fundamentals we learn
here are applicable to any new data environment we may encounter.

-Ken

-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Waters [mailto:dwaters at usinternet.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 3:35 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] ADPs in the future


Ken,

Let's not sink the ship just yet.  A new version of Access (12) will
soon begin to be discussed.  Let's see what it is first.

OTOH, the skills that I know I've developed will let learn whatever I
need to learn to make my future work!

Dan Waters

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From JColby at dispec.com  Mon Sep 27 13:46:28 2004
From: JColby at dispec.com (Colby, John)
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 14:46:28 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] No MsgBox allowed
Message-ID: <05C61C52D7CAD211A7830008C7DF6F1079BDFA@DISABILITYINS01>

I am doing a rewrite on an app that runs unattended and emails (or FTPs)
files out to a client.  This app absolutely must run, or at least if it
fails it has to NOT pop up a message box and halt the process.  The process
can send many different files, as well as importing data into the database.
I want the piece that fails to error. log the error, email a notification of
error, and exit so that the next process can attempt to run.  The next
process may well run just fine.

Many of you are familiar with my error handler insertion wizard that inserts
error handlers in any function, sub or property, and can do so for an entire
module.  I have used it forever and have in general been satisfied with it.
Until now.  It of course creates a default message box displaying a message
box for any unhandled errors.  Now I need all errors logged to disk, and the
error log mailed to a list of email addresses when errors are encountered.

Thinking about this immediately raises a slew of questions.  I use a
framework that sets up a host of functionality.  What happens when the
failure is so early in the process that it can't even do logging or send an
email?  How do I know how early that is?  My framework has to be rewritten
to log errors and email them as well (where possible), since obviously if my
framework errors we don't want that hanging the app.  OTOH, some errors can
be ignored, others should stop the app.  If I have classes in the framework
used by the app (and obviously I do) how do I get errors in the framework
code to log in the app error log?  IOW, the framework has a wrapper class to
copy files, create directories etc.  If that code fails, it can log an
error, but it will log to the framework log, not the app log.  

In a similar vein, does every function return an error code so that anything
that can go wrong is checked and logged?  If it returns an error code, what
if it needs to return a string, i.e. how do you return an error and a value
at the same time (I know, pass a parameter - that was just to highlight the
issue)?

My objective here is not to write a "can't possible crash" thing, but rather
to intelligently determine what can be logged and emailed and what is so
severe that.. well... it just pops up a message box and someone has to come
look for the problem.  Those kinds of things should rarely if EVER happen at
the application level though.  Just because a link for an excel file is bad
doesn't mean the next report process will fail, only that THIS report
process can't continue.

The program I am replacing had the old "pop up an error message" for
unhandled errors and it just seems that over time you continually run into
new things that couldn't be (or weren't) anticipated.  Every month at least
the files don't go because the program is sitting with a message box up.

Aside from the obvious "Access is not the optimum environment to write such
an app", has anyone done stuff like this (in Access) and do you have any
thoughts on the issues above or any others I haven't raised?  Thinking about
this concept gives a whole new appreciation for major apps such as Windows
and Access where they should always do something intelligent even in the
face of problems not even existing at the time the program was written.

Just a few things to get you thinking.

John W. Colby
The DIS Database Guy



From JColby at dispec.com  Mon Sep 27 14:25:42 2004
From: JColby at dispec.com (Colby, John)
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 15:25:42 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Err
Message-ID: <05C61C52D7CAD211A7830008C7DF6F1079BDFC@DISABILITYINS01>

What is the secret to passing the error object into a function.  I am
calling a function like:

Public Function Er(objErr As ErrObject, 

but when I get inside the function the objErr is a zero and all it's
properties are empty.

John W. Colby
The DIS Database Guy



From dwaters at usinternet.com  Mon Sep 27 14:43:43 2004
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 14:43:43 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Err
In-Reply-To: <2191843.1096313725173.JavaMail.root@sniper7.usinternet.com>
Message-ID: <001a01c4a4ca$4c2dde40$de1811d8@danwaters>

John,

Immediately after you use an error value the first time, its value is then
'erased' by Access.  So to pass an error value or use it more than once, you
need to create a variable like:

	GlngErrorNumber = Err.Number
	GstgErrorDescription = Err.Description

Now you can use your variable as many times as you like.  I don't remember
where I first read this, but I was stumped for a while too.  There was a
description of why this happens, but that's lost to old memoryland too.

HTH,
Dan Waters

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Colby, John
Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 2:26 PM
To: 'AccessD at DatabaseAdvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] Err

What is the secret to passing the error object into a function.  I am
calling a function like:

Public Function Er(objErr As ErrObject, 

but when I get inside the function the objErr is a zero and all it's
properties are empty.

John W. Colby
The DIS Database Guy

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From mikedorism at adelphia.net  Mon Sep 27 15:01:52 2004
From: mikedorism at adelphia.net (Mike & Doris Manning)
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 16:01:52 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Err
In-Reply-To: <05C61C52D7CAD211A7830008C7DF6F1079BDFC@DISABILITYINS01>
Message-ID: <000001c4a4cc$d5d0efa0$060aa845@hargrove.internal>

Pass the Error number in and then Raise it to deal with the actual error.

Doris Manning
Database Administrator
Hargrove Inc.
www.hargroveinc.com


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Colby, John
Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 3:26 PM
To: 'AccessD at DatabaseAdvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] Err


What is the secret to passing the error object into a function.  I am
calling a function like:

Public Function Er(objErr As ErrObject, 

but when I get inside the function the objErr is a zero and all it's
properties are empty.

John W. Colby
The DIS Database Guy

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From davide at dalyn.co.nz  Mon Sep 27 14:36:00 2004
From: davide at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 07:36:00 +1200
Subject: [AccessD] Access/SQL Dates
In-Reply-To: <000001c4a4a8$e4c62b70$060aa845@hargrove.internal>
References: <1D7828CDB8350747AFE9D69E0E90DA1F0471A96E@xlivmbx21.aig.com>
	<000001c4a4a8$e4c62b70$060aa845@hargrove.internal>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20040928073454.019ec670@mail.dalyn.co.nz>

Have you tried <'2004-09-24'

Regards

David Emerson
Dalyn Software Ltd
25 Cunliffe St, Churton Park
Wellington, New Zealand
Ph/Fax 0064 4 478-7456

At 28/09/2004, you wrote:
>You are incorrect.  The single quote (') is the correct delimiting character
>to replace the pound sign (#) used by Access.  The percentage symbol (%) is
>the character to use when doing a LIKE search -- Access used an asterisk
>(*).
>
>Doris Manning
>Database Administrator
>Hargrove Inc.
>www.hargroveinc.com
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert
>Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 11:19 AM
>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; 'Nicholson, Karen'
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access/SQL Dates
>
>
>Very probably I am wrong as I've not yet had the joy of dealing with SQL
>server, but is it not the case that the date delimiting character in SQL
>Server is the percentage symbol (%) not pound or hash (#)?
>
>Lambert
>
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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Mon Sep 27 16:57:07 2004
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 14:57:07 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] No Permission?
References: <20040927161308.6AAE73A72@mprdmxin.myway.com>
Message-ID: <41588CB3.6030109@shaw.ca>

Are you sure you are logging on as administrator and not another user name?

Try this code to indicate your user name at logon
http://www.mvps.org/access/api/api0008.htm

Generally with a named user login "my documents" folder for user "marty" 
would look like
C:\Documents and Settings\marty\My Documents\Access\
or
C:\Documents and Settings\All Users

rather than

C:\My Documents\Access\



unless you have moved it, somehow

You could have a clobbered user profile which I  am not sure how to correct.

Try this code to see what is happening
Sub mydocfolder()
Dim MyAppPath As String
Dim wshShell As Object
Set wshShell = CreateObject("wscript.shell")
MyAppPath = wshShell.SpecialFolders("MyDocuments")
Set wshShell = Nothing

Debug.Print MyAppPath
Debug.Print fOSUserName
End Sub

See this article (it takes a second or two for the right frame to load)
http://securityadmin.info/faq.asp#ownership


 If this is Pro, you need to disable simple file sharing using
the Folder Options control panel, and then if you are using an admin
account, you can see the security tab.

Open Windows Explorer and right-click your "My Documents" folder. Then
select the Sharing and Security option and click the security tab. You
should see Administrators group, SYSTEM, and owner listed with full
control, but likely you won't see owner listed and if owner is not part
of the Administrators group, then that explains why you can't access the
folder.

Click the advanced button and click the owner tab. If the owner is
Administrators, then leave it alone, but if the owner is some long
string of numbers, you need to click Administrators and the checkbox
that says to apply this to all subfolders. Then click OK. Now the folder
belongs to a real account (and if you reinstall again, it won't be an
unknown account, it will continue to be Administrators group).

If owner does not appear in the list of accounts, then add owner and
give owner "full control". Make sure that this is applied to all
subfolders and files.

Reboot to normal mode, logon as owner and try to access the folder
again.


Gary J. Giever wrote:

>I have an annoying problem with Access 97 that began when I switched from Windows 98SE to Windows XP Pro.  Now when I try to re-link tables, I get this message from the Linked Table Manager:  "You do not have access to the folder 'C:\My Documents\Access\In Progress\*.mdb'.  See your administrator for access to this folder."  Most of the time it lets me re-link the tables anyway, but sometimes it will not.
>
>This is confusing since I am the administrator and only user of this computer.  I have checked the Security settings under properties for the files and I seem to have permission.  Any ideas?
>
>
>Gary J. Giever, M.A.
>Applications Developer
>ACCMHS
>3285 122nd Avenue
>PO Drawer 130
>Allegan, MI  49010
>
>
>
>Gary J. Giever, M.A.
>Applications Developer
>ACCMHS
>3285 122nd Avenue
>PO Drawer 130
>Allegan, MI  49010
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding.
>Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com
>  
>

-- 
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada





From Chris.Foote at uk.thalesgroup.com  Sat Sep 25 08:53:55 2004
From: Chris.Foote at uk.thalesgroup.com (Foote, Chris)
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 14:53:55 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Administrivia - Server Back Up
Message-ID: <97CF276BD8C6D4119C4B00508BB18DE709E0C381@ntscxch1.int.rdel.co.uk>

Absolutely!

Many thanks for all that you do Bryan!

Regards
Chris Foote (also at work on a Saturday in the UK)

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk]
> Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2004 2:45 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Administrivia - Server Back Up
> 
> 
> A vote of thanks for Bryan's efforts.
> 
> -- Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> > Bryan Carbonnell
> > Sent: 25 September 2004 13:12
> > To: administrivia at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: [AccessD] Administrivia - Server Back Up
> > 
> > 
> > Well, the mailserver and list software is back up and running.
> > 
> > Hopefully our problems are all cleared up now. If not, 
> please let me 
> > know at either listmaster at databaseadvisors.com AND 
> > carbonnb at sympatico.ca
> > 
> > That way if dba's server is not working, then I will still 
> be able to 
> > look at it.
> > 
> > Thanks for your understanding and patience.
> > 
> > -- 
> > Bryan Carbonnell - listmaster at databaseadvisors.com


From Chris.Foote at uk.thalesgroup.com  Mon Sep 27 07:21:27 2004
From: Chris.Foote at uk.thalesgroup.com (Foote, Chris)
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 13:21:27 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Test (please ignore!)
Message-ID: <97CF276BD8C6D4119C4B00508BB18DE709E0C389@ntscxch1.int.rdel.co.uk>

Test


From GregSmith at starband.net  Mon Sep 27 14:10:09 2004
From: GregSmith at starband.net (Greg Smith)
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 14:10:09 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [AccessD] No Permission?
In-Reply-To: <20040927161308.6AAE73A72@mprdmxin.myway.com>
References: <20040927161308.6AAE73A72@mprdmxin.myway.com>
Message-ID: <2319.216.43.21.235.1096312209.squirrel@cetus.email.starband.net>

Gary:

I've lived with that for years with Access 97.  None of our network guys
could figure it out...so I just left it in my "Annoying Access 97 Things"
box and learned to live with it.

Greg Smith
gregsmith at starband.net

> I have an annoying problem with Access 97 that began when I switched
> from Windows 98SE to Windows XP Pro.  Now when I try to re-link tables,
> I get this message from the Linked Table Manager:  "You do not have
> access to the folder 'C:\My Documents\Access\In Progress\*.mdb'.  See
> your administrator for access to this folder."  Most of the time it lets
> me re-link the tables anyway, but sometimes it will not.
>
> This is confusing since I am the administrator and only user of this
> computer.  I have checked the Security settings under properties for the
> files and I seem to have permission.  Any ideas?
>
>
> Gary J. Giever, M.A.
> Applications Developer
> ACCMHS
> 3285 122nd Avenue
> PO Drawer 130
> Allegan, MI  49010
>
>
>
> Gary J. Giever, M.A.
> Applications Developer
> ACCMHS
> 3285 122nd Avenue
> PO Drawer 130
> Allegan, MI  49010
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com
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From BarbaraRyan at cox.net  Mon Sep 27 15:06:49 2004
From: BarbaraRyan at cox.net (Barbara Ryan)
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 16:06:49 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Adding Hyperlink field using DAO
Message-ID: <006701c4a4cd$86322260$0a00a8c0@cx470148a>

I need to add a hyperlink field to a table using DAO.  I tried the following, but received an error.

Set fld = tbl.CreateField("EstimateSpreadsheet", dbHyperlinkField)

Apparently, I need to create the field as "Memo" and set the attributes to dbHyperlinkField.  When adding a field to a table in Design view, I can select data type Hyperlink.  Why can't I do this in code?  Or can I?  I have a "master" database (which I add/update fields in Design view).  There are several other databases in which I want to propagate (using DAO) changes from the master. 

How can I do this? I am using Access 97.

Thanks,
Barb Ryan

 

From GregWSmith at starband.net  Mon Sep 27 15:50:00 2004
From: GregWSmith at starband.net (GregWSmith at starband.net)
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 16:50:00 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Test-Do not archive
Message-ID: <2694.216.43.21.235.1096318200.squirrel@medusa.email.starband.net>

Test only.

Greg

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From carbonnb at sympatico.ca  Mon Sep 27 20:25:22 2004
From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 21:25:22 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] No MsgBox allowed
In-Reply-To: <05C61C52D7CAD211A7830008C7DF6F1079BDFA@DISABILITYINS01>
Message-ID: <41588542.20768.B68441@localhost>

On 27 Sep 2004 at 14:46, Colby, John wrote:

> importing data into the database. I want the piece that fails to
> error. log the error, email a notification of error, and exit so that
> the next process can attempt to run.  The next process may well run
> just fine.

> box displaying a message box for any unhandled errors.  Now I need all
> errors logged to disk, and the error log mailed to a list of email
> addresses when errors are encountered.

John,

Have a look at the error logging module in the BEU. We needed a way 
to send back any errors in the upgrade so that not only could the 
developer upgrade the BE remotely, they could also debug it remotely 
too.

> Thinking about this immediately raises a slew of questions.  I use a
> framework that sets up a host of functionality.  What happens when the
> failure is so early in the process that it can't even do logging or
> send an email?  How do I know how early that is?  My framework has to
> be rewritten to log errors and email them as well (where possible),
> since obviously if my framework errors we don't want that hanging the
> app.  OTOH, some errors can be ignored, others should stop the app. 
> If I have classes in the framework used by the app (and obviously I
> do) how do I get errors in the framework code to log in the app error
> log?  IOW, the framework has a wrapper class to copy files, create
> directories etc.  If that code fails, it can log an error, but it will
> log to the framework log, not the app log.  

> Aside from the obvious "Access is not the optimum environment to write
> such an app", has anyone done stuff like this (in Access) and do you
> have any thoughts on the issues above or any others I haven't raised? 
> Thinking about this concept gives a whole new appreciation for major
> apps such as Windows and Access where they should always do something
> intelligent even in the face of problems not even existing at the time
> the program was written.

In the BEU, one of the very first, if not the absolute first things 
the BEU does is initialise the ErrorLogging class.

That way when ANY error happens, it can be logged. I wrote it to 
solve a problem that I had with the BEU, how to detail the errors I 
found, so that Reuben and Andy could fix 'em :), and it was such a 
logical step to include it in the BEU as a feature.

I have also ripped it out of the BEU to include in my most recent 
project, so that I could handle issues that arise whitout having to 
run all over the place to figure it out

Have a look at it, and hopefully you can integrate something like it 
into your framework.

-- 
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca
It was difficult to code. So it damn well better be difficult to use.




From GregSmith at starband.net  Mon Sep 27 09:11:41 2004
From: GregSmith at starband.net (Greg Smith)
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 09:11:41 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Administrivia - Server Back Up
In-Reply-To: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C8318805CED50A@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>
References: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C8318805CED50A@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>
Message-ID: <1470.216.43.21.235.1096294301.squirrel@cetus.email.starband.net>

Bryan:

Unless this one magically goes through, all my posts are still not getting
there...I sent one last night (Sunday) to you at
listmaster at databaseadvisors.com but I don't know if that even got to you. 
I'm cc'ing this one to your other address as well.

Below is a copy of the returned message...I don't know if that helps you
or not...

This one was from Friday's message...haven't gotten anything about last
night's message ... but it's not posted to AccessD yet either...

Greg

Returned message text:

The original message was received at Fri, 24 Sep 2004 09:34:39 -0400
from cetus.email.starband.net [148.78.247.27] (may be forged)

   ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
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Message could not be delivered for 2 days
Message will be deleted from queue







From mark.breen at gmail.com  Tue Sep 28 05:13:48 2004
From: mark.breen at gmail.com (Mark Breen)
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 11:13:48 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?
In-Reply-To: <08F823FD83787D4BA0B99CA580AD3C744867FF@TTNEXCHCL2.hshhp.com>
References: <08F823FD83787D4BA0B99CA580AD3C744867FF@TTNEXCHCL2.hshhp.com>
Message-ID: <26a96cce04092803136ce6b2a8@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Jim,

Actually it was for VB that I really wanted it, but I felt shy about
admitting it on AccessD.

If you do not mind, I would be intersted in seeing it.

I do not mind it being posted on list, I presume most are mildly
interested, but if you prefer, you may send it directly.

Thanks Jim,

Mark Breen
Ireland



On Mon, 27 Sep 2004 12:27:39 -0400, Jim DeMarco
<jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org> wrote:
> I have one for VB but it can easily be modded if you're using <A2K.
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Mark Breen
> Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 11:58 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> Does anyone have a similar class or function for elegantly handling
> ADO record sets ?
> 
> Or similar in the .Net environment ?
> 
> Mark Breen
> Ireland
> 
> On Mon, 27 Sep 2004 08:45:22 -0700, Charlotte Foust
> <cfoust at infostatsystems.com> wrote:
> > The difference is that if you use CurrentDb, you don't have to refresh
> > to see the changes.  DBEngine is faster because it doesn't refresh
> > automatically.  Redo your test with a refresh after every change and see
> > how they compare.
> >
> > Charlotte Foust
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Dan Waters [mailto:dwaters at usinternet.com]
> > Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 7:06 AM
> > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?
> >
> > Using CurrentDB everywhere is slower.
> >
> > I use:
> > Set rst = DBEngine(0)(0).OpenRecordset(stg,db.....)
> >
> > I did a test once and determined that using the above line is exactly 8
> > times faster than using: Set rst = CurrentDB.OpenRecordset(stg,db.....)
> >
> > However, you must use CurrentDB for some things, like setting the
> > current database's properties in VBA.
> >
> > Dan Waters
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby Heid
> > Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 6:19 AM
> > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?
> >
> > I thought using currentdb everywhere used extra resources and was a
> > no-no.
> >
> > Bobby
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Erwin Craps -
> > IT Helps
> > Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 3:57 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?
> >
> > I never do  dbs as DAO.Database
> >
> > I always do
> > Set rstTemp as currentdb.openrecordset (bla bla)
> >
> > Dbs can be replaced by currentdb
> >
> > Erwin
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of ACTEBS
> > Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 9:13 AM
> > To: access group
> > Subject: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?
> >
> > Hi Everyone,
> >
> > Does anyone have any code or such that handles the following elegantly:
> >
> > Dim dbs as DAO.Database
> > Dim rst as DAO.Recordset
> >
> > Set dbs etc etc
> >
> > Do whatever here
> >
> > dbs.close
> > dbs = nothing etc etc
> >
> > I am tired of having do the above to open database connections and
> > recordsets in the above manner in every Sub or Function. Surely there's
> > a more elegant method that someone has come up with here you just parse
> > the SQL Statement through or something...
> >
> > Any suggestions or links will be greatly appreciated...
> >
> > Regards
> > Vlad
> >
> > --
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > --
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> > --
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> > --
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> >
> > --
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> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
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From gjgiever at myway.com  Tue Sep 28 06:05:00 2004
From: gjgiever at myway.com (Gary J. Giever)
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 07:05:00 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [AccessD] No Permission?
Message-ID: <20040928110500.694DF39FB@mprdmxin.myway.com>


I log in as having administrative rights but not as The Administrator.  I don't like the XP set up, so I created a new folder on the C drive called My Documents and I ignore the XP My Documents which is buried somewhere.

Thanks for the suggestions, I shall look into those issues.


Gary J. Giever, M.A.
Applications Developer
ACCMHS
3285 122nd Avenue
PO Drawer 130
Allegan, MI  49010


 --- On Mon 09/27, MartyConnelly < martyconnelly at shaw.ca > wrote:
From: MartyConnelly [mailto: martyconnelly at shaw.ca]
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 14:57:07 -0700
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No Permission?

Are you sure you are logging on as administrator and not another user name?<br><br>Try this code to indicate your user name at logon<br>http://www.mvps.org/access/api/api0008.htm<br><br>Generally with a named user login "my documents" folder for user "marty" <br>would look like<br>C:\Documents and Settings\marty\My Documents\Access\<br>or<br>C:\Documents and Settings\All Users<br><br>rather than<br><br>C:\My Documents\Access\<br><br><br><br>unless you have moved it, somehow<br><br>You could have a clobbered user profile which I  am not sure how to correct.<br><br>Try this code to see what is happening<br>Sub mydocfolder()<br>Dim MyAppPath As String<br>Dim wshShell As Object<br>Set wshShell = CreateObject("wscript.shell")<br>MyAppPath = wshShell.SpecialFolders("MyDocuments")<br>Set wshShell = Nothing<br><br>Debug.Print MyAppPath<br>Debug.Print fOSUserName<br>End Sub<br><br>See this article (it takes a second or two for the right frame to load)<br>http://securityadmin.info/faq.asp#ownership<br><br><br> If this is Pro, you need to disable simple file sharing using<br>the Folder Options control panel, and then if you are using an admin<br>account, you can see the security tab.<br><br>Open Windows Explorer and right-click your "My Documents" folder. Then<br>select the Sharing and Security option and click the security tab. You<br>should see Administrators group, SYSTEM, and owner listed with full<br>control, but likely you won't see owner listed and if owner is not part<br>of the Administrators group, then that explains why you can't access the<br>folder.<br><br>Click the advanced button and click the owner tab. If the owner is<br>Administrators, then leave it alone, but if the owner is some long<br>string of numbers, you need to click Administrators and the checkbox<br>that says to apply this to all subfolders. Then click OK. Now the folder<br>belongs to a real account (and if you reinstall again, it won't be an<br>unknown account, it will continue to be Administrators group).<br><br>If owner does not appear in the list of accounts, then add owner and<br>give owner "full control". Make sure that this is applied to all<br>subfolders and files.<br><br>Reboot to normal mode, logon as owner and try to access the folder<br>again.<br><br><br>Gary J. Giever wrote:<br><br>>I have an annoying problem with Access 97 that began when I switched from Windows 98SE to Windows XP Pro.  Now when I try to re-link tables, I get this message from the Linked Table Manager:  "You do not have access to the folder 'C:\My Documents\Access\In Progress\*.mdb'.  See your administrator for access to this folder."  Most of the time it lets me re-link the tables anyway, but sometimes it will not.<br>><br>>This is confusing since I am the administrator and only user of this computer.  I have checked the Security settings under properties for the files and I seem to have permission.  Any ideas?<br>><br>><br>>Gary J. Giever, M.A.<br>>Applications Developer<br>>ACCMHS<br>>3285 122nd Avenue<br>>PO Drawer 130<br>>Allegan, MI  49010<br>><br>><br>><br>>Gary J. Giever, M.A.<br>>Applications Developer<br>>ACCMHS<br>>3285 122nd Avenue<br>>PO Drawer 130<br>>Allegan, MI  49010<br>><br>><br>>_______________________________________________<br>>No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding.<br>>Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com<br>>  <br>><br><br>-- <br>Marty Connelly<br>Victoria, B.C.<br>Canada<br><br><br><br>-- <br>_______________________________________________<br>AccessD mailing list<br>AccessD at databaseadvisors.com<br>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd<br>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com<br>

_______________________________________________
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From gjgiever at myway.com  Tue Sep 28 05:59:40 2004
From: gjgiever at myway.com (Gary J. Giever)
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 06:59:40 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [AccessD] No Permission?
Message-ID: <20040928105940.6F55D39B5@mprdmxin.myway.com>


That's what I was figuring too.  But Marty Connelly came up with some ideas that I shall explore before I give up.


Gary J. Giever, M.A.
Applications Developer
ACCMHS
3285 122nd Avenue
PO Drawer 130
Allegan, MI  49010


 --- On Mon 09/27, Greg Smith < GregSmith at starband.net > wrote:
From: Greg Smith [mailto: GregSmith at starband.net]
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 14:10:09 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No Permission?

Gary:<br><br>I've lived with that for years with Access 97.  None of our network guys<br>could figure it out...so I just left it in my "Annoying Access 97 Things"<br>box and learned to live with it.<br><br>Greg Smith<br>gregsmith at starband.net<br><br>> I have an annoying problem with Access 97 that began when I switched<br>> from Windows 98SE to Windows XP Pro.  Now when I try to re-link tables,<br>> I get this message from the Linked Table Manager:  "You do not have<br>> access to the folder 'C:\My Documents\Access\In Progress\*.mdb'.  See<br>> your administrator for access to this folder."  Most of the time it lets<br>> me re-link the tables anyway, but sometimes it will not.<br>><br>> This is confusing since I am the administrator and only user of this<br>> computer.  I have checked the Security settings under properties for the<br>> files and I seem to have permission.  Any ideas?<br>><br>><br>> Gary J. Giever, M.A.<br>> Applications Developer<br>> ACCMHS<br>> 3285 122nd Avenue<br>> PO Drawer 130<br>> Allegan, MI  49010<br>><br>><br>><br>> Gary J. Giever, M.A.<br>> Applications Developer<br>> ACCMHS<br>> 3285 122nd Avenue<br>> PO Drawer 130<br>> Allegan, MI  49010<br>><br>><br>> _______________________________________________<br>> No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding.<br>> Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com<br>> --<br>> _______________________________________________<br>> AccessD mailing list<br>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com<br>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd<br>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com<br><br><br><br>-- <br>_______________________________________________<br>AccessD mailing list<br>AccessD at databaseadvisors.com<br>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd<br>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com<br>

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Sep 28 06:48:49 2004
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 07:48:49 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?
In-Reply-To: <26a96cce04092803136ce6b2a8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <003d01c4a551$1fdfa120$e8dafea9@ColbyM6805>

Mark,

Are you using vb6 or .net?

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen
Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 6:14 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?


Hello Jim,

Actually it was for VB that I really wanted it, but I felt shy about
admitting it on AccessD.

If you do not mind, I would be intersted in seeing it.

I do not mind it being posted on list, I presume most are mildly interested,
but if you prefer, you may send it directly.

Thanks Jim,

Mark Breen
Ireland



On Mon, 27 Sep 2004 12:27:39 -0400, Jim DeMarco
<jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org> wrote:
> I have one for VB but it can easily be modded if you're using <A2K.
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Mark Breen
> Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 11:58 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> Does anyone have a similar class or function for elegantly handling 
> ADO record sets ?
> 
> Or similar in the .Net environment ?
> 
> Mark Breen
> Ireland
> 
> On Mon, 27 Sep 2004 08:45:22 -0700, Charlotte Foust 
> <cfoust at infostatsystems.com> wrote:
> > The difference is that if you use CurrentDb, you don't have to 
> > refresh to see the changes.  DBEngine is faster because it doesn't 
> > refresh automatically.  Redo your test with a refresh after every 
> > change and see how they compare.
> >
> > Charlotte Foust
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Dan Waters [mailto:dwaters at usinternet.com]
> > Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 7:06 AM
> > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?
> >
> > Using CurrentDB everywhere is slower.
> >
> > I use:
> > Set rst = DBEngine(0)(0).OpenRecordset(stg,db.....)
> >
> > I did a test once and determined that using the above line is 
> > exactly 8 times faster than using: Set rst = 
> > CurrentDB.OpenRecordset(stg,db.....)
> >
> > However, you must use CurrentDB for some things, like setting the 
> > current database's properties in VBA.
> >
> > Dan Waters
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby 
> > Heid
> > Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 6:19 AM
> > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?
> >
> > I thought using currentdb everywhere used extra resources and was a 
> > no-no.
> >
> > Bobby
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Erwin 
> > Craps - IT Helps
> > Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 3:57 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?
> >
> > I never do  dbs as DAO.Database
> >
> > I always do
> > Set rstTemp as currentdb.openrecordset (bla bla)
> >
> > Dbs can be replaced by currentdb
> >
> > Erwin
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of ACTEBS
> > Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 9:13 AM
> > To: access group
> > Subject: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?
> >
> > Hi Everyone,
> >
> > Does anyone have any code or such that handles the following 
> > elegantly:
> >
> > Dim dbs as DAO.Database
> > Dim rst as DAO.Recordset
> >
> > Set dbs etc etc
> >
> > Do whatever here
> >
> > dbs.close
> > dbs = nothing etc etc
> >
> > I am tired of having do the above to open database connections and 
> > recordsets in the above manner in every Sub or Function. Surely 
> > there's a more elegant method that someone has come up with here you 
> > just parse the SQL Statement through or something...
> >
> > Any suggestions or links will be greatly appreciated...
> >
> > Regards
> > Vlad
> >
> > --
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > --
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> > --
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> > --
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> >
> > --
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> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> --
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> AccessD mailing list
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> 
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From mark.breen at gmail.com  Tue Sep 28 07:46:58 2004
From: mark.breen at gmail.com (Mark Breen)
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 13:46:58 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?
In-Reply-To: <003d01c4a551$1fdfa120$e8dafea9@ColbyM6805>
References: <26a96cce04092803136ce6b2a8@mail.gmail.com>
	<003d01c4a551$1fdfa120$e8dafea9@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <26a96cce04092805462fa522d1@mail.gmail.com>

Hello John,

I am about to start a .Net project, but I have not written a line of
it yet, other than playing with some exercises in a book I have on it.

It has been my intention, once I start, to read your emails and to
search the archives for other ones you may have written on it.  How
have you gotton on with it?  Are you still working with it?

In relation to the ADO class, I do not mind which ver it is, I was
curious to see what others out there do to handle this issue.  I use
cut and paste and am very careful about tidying up as I go.  It is not
that sophisticated, but it works and it prevents concerns about things
getting confused when By Ref etc come into play.  Also, I wonder about
the over head of passing By Val when it is a big rst being passed.

Nevertheless, I am interested in a efficient way of openning rst and
passing them back without having to do all the work in side each sub
routine.

How is life, how are you enjoying parenthood ?

Mark





On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 07:48:49 -0400, John W. Colby
<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
> Mark,
> 
> Are you using vb6 or .net?
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen
> Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 6:14 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?
> 
> Hello Jim,
> 
> Actually it was for VB that I really wanted it, but I felt shy about
> admitting it on AccessD.
> 
> If you do not mind, I would be intersted in seeing it.
> 
> I do not mind it being posted on list, I presume most are mildly interested,
> but if you prefer, you may send it directly.
> 
> Thanks Jim,
> 
> Mark Breen
> Ireland
> 
> On Mon, 27 Sep 2004 12:27:39 -0400, Jim DeMarco
> <jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org> wrote:
> > I have one for VB but it can easily be modded if you're using <A2K.
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Mark Breen
> > Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 11:58 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?
> >
> > Hello All,
> >
> > Does anyone have a similar class or function for elegantly handling
> > ADO record sets ?
> >
> > Or similar in the .Net environment ?
> >
> > Mark Breen
> > Ireland
> >
> > On Mon, 27 Sep 2004 08:45:22 -0700, Charlotte Foust
> > <cfoust at infostatsystems.com> wrote:
> > > The difference is that if you use CurrentDb, you don't have to
> > > refresh to see the changes.  DBEngine is faster because it doesn't
> > > refresh automatically.  Redo your test with a refresh after every
> > > change and see how they compare.
> > >
> > > Charlotte Foust
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Dan Waters [mailto:dwaters at usinternet.com]
> > > Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 7:06 AM
> > > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?
> > >
> > > Using CurrentDB everywhere is slower.
> > >
> > > I use:
> > > Set rst = DBEngine(0)(0).OpenRecordset(stg,db.....)
> > >
> > > I did a test once and determined that using the above line is
> > > exactly 8 times faster than using: Set rst =
> > > CurrentDB.OpenRecordset(stg,db.....)
> > >
> > > However, you must use CurrentDB for some things, like setting the
> > > current database's properties in VBA.
> > >
> > > Dan Waters
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby
> > > Heid
> > > Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 6:19 AM
> > > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?
> > >
> > > I thought using currentdb everywhere used extra resources and was a
> > > no-no.
> > >
> > > Bobby
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Erwin
> > > Craps - IT Helps
> > > Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 3:57 AM
> > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?
> > >
> > > I never do  dbs as DAO.Database
> > >
> > > I always do
> > > Set rstTemp as currentdb.openrecordset (bla bla)
> > >
> > > Dbs can be replaced by currentdb
> > >
> > > Erwin
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of ACTEBS
> > > Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 9:13 AM
> > > To: access group
> > > Subject: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?
> > >
> > > Hi Everyone,
> > >
> > > Does anyone have any code or such that handles the following
> > > elegantly:
> > >
> > > Dim dbs as DAO.Database
> > > Dim rst as DAO.Recordset
> > >
> > > Set dbs etc etc
> > >
> > > Do whatever here
> > >
> > > dbs.close
> > > dbs = nothing etc etc
> > >
> > > I am tired of having do the above to open database connections and
> > > recordsets in the above manner in every Sub or Function. Surely
> > > there's a more elegant method that someone has come up with here you
> > > just parse the SQL Statement through or something...
> > >
> > > Any suggestions or links will be greatly appreciated...
> > >
> > > Regards
> > > Vlad
> > >
> > > --
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
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From actebs at actebs.com.au  Tue Sep 28 08:32:42 2004
From: actebs at actebs.com.au (ACTEBS)
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 23:32:42 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?
Message-ID: <2025BB6F17FCB54791F23CD50558332803851E@starfleet.unknown.local>

Jim,

I would love to get a copy...

Regards
Vlad

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim DeMarco
Sent: Tuesday, 28 September 2004 2:28 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?


I have one for VB but it can easily be modded if you're using <A2K.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Mark Breen
Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 11:58 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?


Hello All,

Does anyone have a similar class or function for elegantly handling ADO
record sets ?

Or similar in the .Net environment ?

Mark Breen
Ireland



On Mon, 27 Sep 2004 08:45:22 -0700, Charlotte Foust
<cfoust at infostatsystems.com> wrote:
> The difference is that if you use CurrentDb, you don't have to refresh

> to see the changes.  DBEngine is faster because it doesn't refresh 
> automatically.  Redo your test with a refresh after every change and 
> see how they compare.
> 
> Charlotte Foust
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dan Waters [mailto:dwaters at usinternet.com]
> Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 7:06 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?
> 
> Using CurrentDB everywhere is slower.
> 
> I use:
> Set rst = DBEngine(0)(0).OpenRecordset(stg,db.....)
> 
> I did a test once and determined that using the above line is exactly 
> 8 times faster than using: Set rst = 
> CurrentDB.OpenRecordset(stg,db.....)
> 
> However, you must use CurrentDB for some things, like setting the 
> current database's properties in VBA.
> 
> Dan Waters
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby Heid
> Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 6:19 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?
> 
> I thought using currentdb everywhere used extra resources and was a 
> no-no.
> 
> Bobby
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Erwin Craps

> - IT Helps
> Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 3:57 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?
> 
> I never do  dbs as DAO.Database
> 
> I always do
> Set rstTemp as currentdb.openrecordset (bla bla)
> 
> Dbs can be replaced by currentdb
> 
> Erwin
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of ACTEBS
> Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 9:13 AM
> To: access group
> Subject: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?
> 
> Hi Everyone,
> 
> Does anyone have any code or such that handles the following 
> elegantly:
> 
> Dim dbs as DAO.Database
> Dim rst as DAO.Recordset
> 
> Set dbs etc etc
> 
> Do whatever here
> 
> dbs.close
> dbs = nothing etc etc
> 
> I am tired of having do the above to open database connections and 
> recordsets in the above manner in every Sub or Function. Surely 
> there's a more elegant method that someone has come up with here you 
> just parse the SQL Statement through or something...
> 
> Any suggestions or links will be greatly appreciated...
> 
> Regards
> Vlad
> 
> --
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> --
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 
> --
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 
> --
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 
> 
> --
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
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From JColby at dispec.com  Tue Sep 28 09:25:42 2004
From: JColby at dispec.com (Colby, John)
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 10:25:42 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?
Message-ID: <05C61C52D7CAD211A7830008C7DF6F1079BDFE@DISABILITYINS01>

Parenthood is a gas.  I never thought I'd care, I was always a dog person.
Fill up the bowl with food and water and leave for the weekend if I wanted.
Now.....

John W. Colby
The DIS Database Guy


-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Breen [mailto:mark.breen at gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 8:47 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?


Hello John,

I am about to start a .Net project, but I have not written a line of
it yet, other than playing with some exercises in a book I have on it.

It has been my intention, once I start, to read your emails and to
search the archives for other ones you may have written on it.  How
have you gotton on with it?  Are you still working with it?

In relation to the ADO class, I do not mind which ver it is, I was
curious to see what others out there do to handle this issue.  I use
cut and paste and am very careful about tidying up as I go.  It is not
that sophisticated, but it works and it prevents concerns about things
getting confused when By Ref etc come into play.  Also, I wonder about
the over head of passing By Val when it is a big rst being passed.

Nevertheless, I am interested in a efficient way of openning rst and
passing them back without having to do all the work in side each sub
routine.

How is life, how are you enjoying parenthood ?

Mark





On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 07:48:49 -0400, John W. Colby
<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
> Mark,
> 
> Are you using vb6 or .net?
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen
> Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 6:14 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?
> 
> Hello Jim,
> 
> Actually it was for VB that I really wanted it, but I felt shy about
> admitting it on AccessD.
> 
> If you do not mind, I would be intersted in seeing it.
> 
> I do not mind it being posted on list, I presume most are mildly
interested,
> but if you prefer, you may send it directly.
> 
> Thanks Jim,
> 
> Mark Breen
> Ireland
> 
> On Mon, 27 Sep 2004 12:27:39 -0400, Jim DeMarco
> <jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org> wrote:
> > I have one for VB but it can easily be modded if you're using <A2K.
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Mark Breen
> > Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 11:58 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?
> >
> > Hello All,
> >
> > Does anyone have a similar class or function for elegantly handling
> > ADO record sets ?
> >
> > Or similar in the .Net environment ?
> >
> > Mark Breen
> > Ireland
> >
> > On Mon, 27 Sep 2004 08:45:22 -0700, Charlotte Foust
> > <cfoust at infostatsystems.com> wrote:
> > > The difference is that if you use CurrentDb, you don't have to
> > > refresh to see the changes.  DBEngine is faster because it doesn't
> > > refresh automatically.  Redo your test with a refresh after every
> > > change and see how they compare.
> > >
> > > Charlotte Foust
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Dan Waters [mailto:dwaters at usinternet.com]
> > > Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 7:06 AM
> > > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?
> > >
> > > Using CurrentDB everywhere is slower.
> > >
> > > I use:
> > > Set rst = DBEngine(0)(0).OpenRecordset(stg,db.....)
> > >
> > > I did a test once and determined that using the above line is
> > > exactly 8 times faster than using: Set rst =
> > > CurrentDB.OpenRecordset(stg,db.....)
> > >
> > > However, you must use CurrentDB for some things, like setting the
> > > current database's properties in VBA.
> > >
> > > Dan Waters
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby
> > > Heid
> > > Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 6:19 AM
> > > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?
> > >
> > > I thought using currentdb everywhere used extra resources and was a
> > > no-no.
> > >
> > > Bobby
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Erwin
> > > Craps - IT Helps
> > > Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 3:57 AM
> > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?
> > >
> > > I never do  dbs as DAO.Database
> > >
> > > I always do
> > > Set rstTemp as currentdb.openrecordset (bla bla)
> > >
> > > Dbs can be replaced by currentdb
> > >
> > > Erwin
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of ACTEBS
> > > Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 9:13 AM
> > > To: access group
> > > Subject: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?
> > >
> > > Hi Everyone,
> > >
> > > Does anyone have any code or such that handles the following
> > > elegantly:
> > >
> > > Dim dbs as DAO.Database
> > > Dim rst as DAO.Recordset
> > >
> > > Set dbs etc etc
> > >
> > > Do whatever here
> > >
> > > dbs.close
> > > dbs = nothing etc etc
> > >
> > > I am tired of having do the above to open database connections and
> > > recordsets in the above manner in every Sub or Function. Surely
> > > there's a more elegant method that someone has come up with here you
> > > just parse the SQL Statement through or something...
> > >
> > > Any suggestions or links will be greatly appreciated...
> > >
> > > Regards
> > > Vlad
> > >
> > > --
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > --
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> > > --
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> > > --
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> > --
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> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
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> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> >
> > **********************************************************************
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> recipient, and may contain information from Hudson Health Plan (HHP) that
is
> confidential or privileged.  If you are not the intended recipient, you
are
> hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the
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> >
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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Tue Sep 28 09:46:31 2004
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 09:46:31 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?
In-Reply-To: <5412441.1096382688806.JavaMail.root@sniper4.usinternet.com>
Message-ID: <000001c4a569$f216dbf0$de1811d8@danwaters>

DIS - Does that mean Dad Is Satisfied?

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Colby, John
Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 9:26 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?

Parenthood is a gas.  I never thought I'd care, I was always a dog person.
Fill up the bowl with food and water and leave for the weekend if I wanted.
Now.....

John W. Colby
The DIS Database Guy


-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Breen [mailto:mark.breen at gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 8:47 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?


Hello John,

I am about to start a .Net project, but I have not written a line of
it yet, other than playing with some exercises in a book I have on it.

It has been my intention, once I start, to read your emails and to
search the archives for other ones you may have written on it.  How
have you gotton on with it?  Are you still working with it?

In relation to the ADO class, I do not mind which ver it is, I was
curious to see what others out there do to handle this issue.  I use
cut and paste and am very careful about tidying up as I go.  It is not
that sophisticated, but it works and it prevents concerns about things
getting confused when By Ref etc come into play.  Also, I wonder about
the over head of passing By Val when it is a big rst being passed.

Nevertheless, I am interested in a efficient way of openning rst and
passing them back without having to do all the work in side each sub
routine.

How is life, how are you enjoying parenthood ?

Mark





On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 07:48:49 -0400, John W. Colby
<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
> Mark,
> 
> Are you using vb6 or .net?
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen
> Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 6:14 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?
> 
> Hello Jim,
> 
> Actually it was for VB that I really wanted it, but I felt shy about
> admitting it on AccessD.
> 
> If you do not mind, I would be intersted in seeing it.
> 
> I do not mind it being posted on list, I presume most are mildly
interested,
> but if you prefer, you may send it directly.
> 
> Thanks Jim,
> 
> Mark Breen
> Ireland
> 
> On Mon, 27 Sep 2004 12:27:39 -0400, Jim DeMarco
> <jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org> wrote:
> > I have one for VB but it can easily be modded if you're using <A2K.
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Mark Breen
> > Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 11:58 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?
> >
> > Hello All,
> >
> > Does anyone have a similar class or function for elegantly handling
> > ADO record sets ?
> >
> > Or similar in the .Net environment ?
> >
> > Mark Breen
> > Ireland
> >
> > On Mon, 27 Sep 2004 08:45:22 -0700, Charlotte Foust
> > <cfoust at infostatsystems.com> wrote:
> > > The difference is that if you use CurrentDb, you don't have to
> > > refresh to see the changes.  DBEngine is faster because it doesn't
> > > refresh automatically.  Redo your test with a refresh after every
> > > change and see how they compare.
> > >
> > > Charlotte Foust
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Dan Waters [mailto:dwaters at usinternet.com]
> > > Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 7:06 AM
> > > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?
> > >
> > > Using CurrentDB everywhere is slower.
> > >
> > > I use:
> > > Set rst = DBEngine(0)(0).OpenRecordset(stg,db.....)
> > >
> > > I did a test once and determined that using the above line is
> > > exactly 8 times faster than using: Set rst =
> > > CurrentDB.OpenRecordset(stg,db.....)
> > >
> > > However, you must use CurrentDB for some things, like setting the
> > > current database's properties in VBA.
> > >
> > > Dan Waters
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby
> > > Heid
> > > Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 6:19 AM
> > > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?
> > >
> > > I thought using currentdb everywhere used extra resources and was a
> > > no-no.
> > >
> > > Bobby
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Erwin
> > > Craps - IT Helps
> > > Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 3:57 AM
> > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?
> > >
> > > I never do  dbs as DAO.Database
> > >
> > > I always do
> > > Set rstTemp as currentdb.openrecordset (bla bla)
> > >
> > > Dbs can be replaced by currentdb
> > >
> > > Erwin
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of ACTEBS
> > > Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 9:13 AM
> > > To: access group
> > > Subject: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?
> > >
> > > Hi Everyone,
> > >
> > > Does anyone have any code or such that handles the following
> > > elegantly:
> > >
> > > Dim dbs as DAO.Database
> > > Dim rst as DAO.Recordset
> > >
> > > Set dbs etc etc
> > >
> > > Do whatever here
> > >
> > > dbs.close
> > > dbs = nothing etc etc
> > >
> > > I am tired of having do the above to open database connections and
> > > recordsets in the above manner in every Sub or Function. Surely
> > > there's a more elegant method that someone has come up with here you
> > > just parse the SQL Statement through or something...
> > >
> > > Any suggestions or links will be greatly appreciated...
> > >
> > > Regards
> > > Vlad
> > >
> > > --
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
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From JColby at dispec.com  Tue Sep 28 10:08:09 2004
From: JColby at dispec.com (Colby, John)
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 11:08:09 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?
Message-ID: <05C61C52D7CAD211A7830008C7DF6F1079BDFF@DISABILITYINS01>

You'd be good at the acronym game!  ;-)

Disability Insurance Specialist.  That's my sig for my user at that client
(where I am currently working).  I put that in when I first got here so that
the employees would know who I was when they got an email from me.

John W. Colby
The DIS Database Guy


-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Waters [mailto:dwaters at usinternet.com]
Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 10:47 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?


DIS - Does that mean Dad Is Satisfied?

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Colby, John
Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 9:26 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?

Parenthood is a gas.  I never thought I'd care, I was always a dog person.
Fill up the bowl with food and water and leave for the weekend if I wanted.
Now.....

John W. Colby
The DIS Database Guy


-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Breen [mailto:mark.breen at gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 8:47 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?


Hello John,

I am about to start a .Net project, but I have not written a line of
it yet, other than playing with some exercises in a book I have on it.

It has been my intention, once I start, to read your emails and to
search the archives for other ones you may have written on it.  How
have you gotton on with it?  Are you still working with it?

In relation to the ADO class, I do not mind which ver it is, I was
curious to see what others out there do to handle this issue.  I use
cut and paste and am very careful about tidying up as I go.  It is not
that sophisticated, but it works and it prevents concerns about things
getting confused when By Ref etc come into play.  Also, I wonder about
the over head of passing By Val when it is a big rst being passed.

Nevertheless, I am interested in a efficient way of openning rst and
passing them back without having to do all the work in side each sub
routine.

How is life, how are you enjoying parenthood ?

Mark





On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 07:48:49 -0400, John W. Colby
<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
> Mark,
> 
> Are you using vb6 or .net?
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen
> Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 6:14 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?
> 
> Hello Jim,
> 
> Actually it was for VB that I really wanted it, but I felt shy about
> admitting it on AccessD.
> 
> If you do not mind, I would be intersted in seeing it.
> 
> I do not mind it being posted on list, I presume most are mildly
interested,
> but if you prefer, you may send it directly.
> 
> Thanks Jim,
> 
> Mark Breen
> Ireland
> 
> On Mon, 27 Sep 2004 12:27:39 -0400, Jim DeMarco
> <jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org> wrote:
> > I have one for VB but it can easily be modded if you're using <A2K.
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Mark Breen
> > Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 11:58 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?
> >
> > Hello All,
> >
> > Does anyone have a similar class or function for elegantly handling
> > ADO record sets ?
> >
> > Or similar in the .Net environment ?
> >
> > Mark Breen
> > Ireland
> >
> > On Mon, 27 Sep 2004 08:45:22 -0700, Charlotte Foust
> > <cfoust at infostatsystems.com> wrote:
> > > The difference is that if you use CurrentDb, you don't have to
> > > refresh to see the changes.  DBEngine is faster because it doesn't
> > > refresh automatically.  Redo your test with a refresh after every
> > > change and see how they compare.
> > >
> > > Charlotte Foust
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Dan Waters [mailto:dwaters at usinternet.com]
> > > Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 7:06 AM
> > > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?
> > >
> > > Using CurrentDB everywhere is slower.
> > >
> > > I use:
> > > Set rst = DBEngine(0)(0).OpenRecordset(stg,db.....)
> > >
> > > I did a test once and determined that using the above line is
> > > exactly 8 times faster than using: Set rst =
> > > CurrentDB.OpenRecordset(stg,db.....)
> > >
> > > However, you must use CurrentDB for some things, like setting the
> > > current database's properties in VBA.
> > >
> > > Dan Waters
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby
> > > Heid
> > > Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 6:19 AM
> > > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?
> > >
> > > I thought using currentdb everywhere used extra resources and was a
> > > no-no.
> > >
> > > Bobby
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Erwin
> > > Craps - IT Helps
> > > Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 3:57 AM
> > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?
> > >
> > > I never do  dbs as DAO.Database
> > >
> > > I always do
> > > Set rstTemp as currentdb.openrecordset (bla bla)
> > >
> > > Dbs can be replaced by currentdb
> > >
> > > Erwin
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of ACTEBS
> > > Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 9:13 AM
> > > To: access group
> > > Subject: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?
> > >
> > > Hi Everyone,
> > >
> > > Does anyone have any code or such that handles the following
> > > elegantly:
> > >
> > > Dim dbs as DAO.Database
> > > Dim rst as DAO.Recordset
> > >
> > > Set dbs etc etc
> > >
> > > Do whatever here
> > >
> > > dbs.close
> > > dbs = nothing etc etc
> > >
> > > I am tired of having do the above to open database connections and
> > > recordsets in the above manner in every Sub or Function. Surely
> > > there's a more elegant method that someone has come up with here you
> > > just parse the SQL Statement through or something...
> > >
> > > Any suggestions or links will be greatly appreciated...
> > >
> > > Regards
> > > Vlad
> > >
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From Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com  Tue Sep 28 10:16:26 2004
From: Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com (Hale, Jim)
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 10:16:26 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] ADPs  in the future
Message-ID: <6A6AA9DF57E4F046BDA1E273BDDB677217FF63@corp-es01.fleetpride.com>

<small business still has the need for custom
database apps that don't require SQL Server.>

Amen. Furthermore, without a strong developer community how does Microsoft
expect power users to master Access? It is a copout for them to take the
attitude that the future of Access is to be just a power users tool.
Jim Hale

-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 10:43 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] ADPs in the future


All I know is that the State of California and the Federal government
are still using Access desktop databases for stuff the programmers don't
have time to create and small business still has the need for custom
database apps that don't require SQL Server. ;-/


Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Ken Ismert [mailto:KIsmert at TexasSystems.com] 
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 10:02 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] ADPs in the future



Dan,

Unless the next version of Access is a completely .NET centric product,
Windows forms on top, VB.NET or C# underneath, and is fully web enabled
(in other words the complete rewrite Mary Chipman said they weren't
going to do), it will have nothing of interest in it for me.

A simple test: if the next version of Access doesn't natively support
Microsoft's flagship database, SQL Server 2005, it has been abandoned.

I would like to hear more responses regarding the current prospects of
Access consulting. Nearly everyone I know locally is either having a
tough time getting Access work, or is moving away from Access towards
more profitable work. A consensus from this group that there is a
burgeoning Access job market in the near future would do more than
anything else to dispel my pessimism.

And yes, the bright side of the story is that the fundamentals we learn
here are applicable to any new data environment we may encounter.

-Ken

-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Waters [mailto:dwaters at usinternet.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 3:35 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] ADPs in the future


Ken,

Let's not sink the ship just yet.  A new version of Access (12) will
soon begin to be discussed.  Let's see what it is first.

OTOH, the skills that I know I've developed will let learn whatever I
need to learn to make my future work!

Dan Waters

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue Sep 28 10:34:02 2004
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 08:34:02 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Access/SQL Dates
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312A7E@infoserver01.infostat.local>

SQL Server uses single quotes around date values.

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Heenan, Lambert [mailto:Lambert.Heenan at aig.com] 
Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 8:19 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; 'Nicholson,
Karen'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access/SQL Dates


Very probably I am wrong as I've not yet had the joy of dealing with SQL
server, but is it not the case that the date delimiting character in SQL
Server is the percentage symbol (%) not pound or hash (#)?

Lambert

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [SMTP:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Nicholson,
Karen
> Sent:	Monday, September 27, 2004 8:19 AM
> To:	Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject:	RE: [AccessD] Access/SQL Dates
> 
> Interesting.  The SQL backend structure can not be changed as it is 
> proprietary.  Yikes.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mike & 
> Doris Manning
> Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 7:27 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access/SQL Dates
> 
> 
> I ran into this problem when I used smalldatetime in the table as the 
> data type instead of datetime.  To be honest, I was in a hurry and 
> didn't have
> time to figure out why it was happening.  I just changed from
> smalldatetime
> to datetime and the problem went away.  I've never used smalldatetime
> since
> then.
> 
> Doris Manning
> Database Administrator
> Hargrove Inc.
> www.hargroveinc.com
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Nicholson, 
> Karen
> Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 6:33 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Access/SQL Dates
> 
> 
> I have an Access front-end and am querying an SQL backend.  When 
> putting in a select statement in the query, all is fine if I specify a

> date of say, less than today or <date()... However, if I try to 
> specify a particular date, I get an sql overflow error.  The syntaxes 
> I have tried
> include: <#9/27/2004#  <'9/27/2004' <'20040927'.  Any clues?  Thanks.
> 
> Karen Nicholson
> National Laboratory
> Xerox Global Services
> 
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From ajallen at mail.wvu.edu  Tue Sep 28 11:07:42 2004
From: ajallen at mail.wvu.edu (Amanda Rittenhouse)
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 12:07:42 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Splitting Information from One field into Two
Message-ID: <s1595416.058@WVUGW01.wvu.edu>

I can't find my sample code where I update two fields by splitting one.  I have a field NAME which contains: 
last name      comma     first name        Example:  Smith, John
I want to create two fields:  LastName     FirstName
I want to populate the two fields with the data from NAME.  Before the comma is the last name and after the comma is the first name.  I've seen the update code to do it but can not locate it now.  Please help.

* Amanda



From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue Sep 28 11:17:22 2004
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 09:17:22 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] ADPs  in the future
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312A7F@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Why, Jim!  All they have to do is buy a library of MS Press books and
follow all the instructions! <evilgrin>

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Hale, Jim [mailto:Jim.Hale at fleetpride.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 8:16 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] ADPs in the future


<small business still has the need for custom
database apps that don't require SQL Server.>

Amen. Furthermore, without a strong developer community how does
Microsoft expect power users to master Access? It is a copout for them
to take the attitude that the future of Access is to be just a power
users tool. Jim Hale

-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 10:43 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] ADPs in the future


All I know is that the State of California and the Federal government
are still using Access desktop databases for stuff the programmers don't
have time to create and small business still has the need for custom
database apps that don't require SQL Server. ;-/


Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Ken Ismert [mailto:KIsmert at TexasSystems.com] 
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 10:02 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] ADPs in the future



Dan,

Unless the next version of Access is a completely .NET centric product,
Windows forms on top, VB.NET or C# underneath, and is fully web enabled
(in other words the complete rewrite Mary Chipman said they weren't
going to do), it will have nothing of interest in it for me.

A simple test: if the next version of Access doesn't natively support
Microsoft's flagship database, SQL Server 2005, it has been abandoned.

I would like to hear more responses regarding the current prospects of
Access consulting. Nearly everyone I know locally is either having a
tough time getting Access work, or is moving away from Access towards
more profitable work. A consensus from this group that there is a
burgeoning Access job market in the near future would do more than
anything else to dispel my pessimism.

And yes, the bright side of the story is that the fundamentals we learn
here are applicable to any new data environment we may encounter.

-Ken

-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Waters [mailto:dwaters at usinternet.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 3:35 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] ADPs in the future


Ken,

Let's not sink the ship just yet.  A new version of Access (12) will
soon begin to be discussed.  Let's see what it is first.

OTOH, the skills that I know I've developed will let learn whatever I
need to learn to make my future work!

Dan Waters

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From KIsmert at TexasSystems.com  Tue Sep 28 11:27:53 2004
From: KIsmert at TexasSystems.com (Ken Ismert)
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 11:27:53 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] No MsgBox allowed
In-Reply-To: <05C61C52D7CAD211A7830008C7DF6F1079BDFA@DISABILITYINS01>
Message-ID: <00c301c4a578$1afc56e0$2a3ca8c0@TEXASSYSTEMS.COM>


John,

I faced a similar problem when setting up a datamart application which runs
nightly on the server. I needed error logging and notification when a
sub-process failed, but the rest of the processes needed to run, if
possible.

My response was to develop an error logging system with plug-ins to support
the various destinations of the logged messages. All the plug-ins support a
common interface, IErrorLog, which defines the common properties and methods
each must support.

So far, I have written plug-ins that will log errors to tables using ADO and
DAO, email via CDONTS and MAPI, text files, the console (immediate window)
and yes, the message box.

What plug-ins get used is defined by an .ini configuration file. For
production, errors are routed to tables, CDONTS email and text. For
development, another .ini file is used which routes errors to the console
and message box.

What the loggers do is defined in part by template text files. For the table
loggers, these contain SQL statements. For the email, text and console
loggers, these have boilerplate text. All template files contain tokens,
like <ErrNumber> and <ErrDescription>, which are replaced by the matching
information when the error is logged.

This is all managed by a global error handling object, which keeps an
internal record of all errors encountered during execution, and logs errors
with all the currently active loggers. It allows the error generating
routine to save the current error, or raise it. Calling routines can examine
the error results of a call, and skip dependant calls which follow, go on to
the next process, or raise the previous error.

-Ken


-----Original Message-----
From: Colby, John [mailto:JColby at dispec.com]
Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 1:46 PM
To: 'AccessD at DatabaseAdvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] No MsgBox allowed


I am doing a rewrite on an app that runs unattended and emails (or FTPs)
files out to a client.  This app absolutely must run, or at least if it
fails it has to NOT pop up a message box and halt the process.

<snip>

Aside from the obvious "Access is not the optimum environment to write such
an app", has anyone done stuff like this (in Access) and do you have any
thoughts on the issues above or any others I haven't raised?

<snip>

John W. Colby
The DIS Database Guy





From rbgajewski at adelphia.net  Tue Sep 28 11:24:57 2004
From: rbgajewski at adelphia.net (Bob Gajewski)
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 12:24:57 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Splitting Information from One field into Two
In-Reply-To: <s1595416.058@WVUGW01.wvu.edu>
Message-ID: <LHEEKEKNLFONONKPIOCJCEIPGKAA.rbgajewski@adelphia.net>

Amanda

Use the InStr function to locate the comma (or comma and following space)
and then use the Left/Mid/Right functions to extract the portions on either
side of the comma.

Regards,
Bob Gajewski

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Amanda
Rittenhouse
Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 12:08
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Splitting Information from One field into Two


I can't find my sample code where I update two fields by splitting one.  I
have a field NAME which contains:
last name      comma     first name        Example:  Smith, John
I want to create two fields:  LastName     FirstName
I want to populate the two fields with the data from NAME.  Before the comma
is the last name and after the comma is the first name.  I've seen the
update code to do it but can not locate it now.  Please help.

* Amanda

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From JHewson at karta.com  Tue Sep 28 11:35:18 2004
From: JHewson at karta.com (Jim Hewson)
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 11:35:18 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Splitting Information from One field into Two
Message-ID: <9C382E065F54AE48BC3AA7925DCBB01C0103E35C@karta-exc-int.Karta.com>

Amanda
Where Name is the field for the full name.
I used a Make Table query.

Try this:

SELECT tblFullName.Name, Left([Name],InStr([Name],",")-1) AS LastName, Right([Name],Len([Name])-(InStr([Name],",")+1)) AS FirstName INTO tblSplitName
FROM tblFullName;

HTH
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Amanda
Rittenhouse
Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 11:08 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Splitting Information from One field into Two


I can't find my sample code where I update two fields by splitting one.  I have a field NAME which contains: 
last name      comma     first name        Example:  Smith, John
I want to create two fields:  LastName     FirstName
I want to populate the two fields with the data from NAME.  Before the comma is the last name and after the comma is the first name.  I've seen the update code to do it but can not locate it now.  Please help.

* Amanda

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From JColby at dispec.com  Tue Sep 28 11:59:51 2004
From: JColby at dispec.com (Colby, John)
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 12:59:51 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] No MsgBox allowed
Message-ID: <05C61C52D7CAD211A7830008C7DF6F1079BE00@DISABILITYINS01>

WOW.

I am developing an error class for my framework.  I may expand it as the
needs arise, but atm it logs to a text file in the same location as the app,
and sends email to an address list in my sysvars table.  I waffled on
logging to a table.  For this app it probably isn't needed but for a general
app where the error logs would end up on a user's desktop machine, logging
to table is probably a better answer.  I already have a logger class that
can log to a table or a file so I could just modify the call to the logger
to send it to a table.  I liked the text file because it is already in a
form that can be attached to email.

The class can be "programmed" to send email automatically (any error), and
optionally attach the error log to the email, or any individual error
handler can cause an email (with subject and message) and optionally send
the log file.  Having the individual error messages send / attach is
obviously tedious so in general I'm guessing that I will have the app just
email / send log on any error.

I definitely need to get other methods of mail.  ATM all my clients use
outlook so I just use that but I am going to run into someone who detests
Outlook and I'll be forced to look elsewhere.

John W. Colby
The DIS Database Guy


-----Original Message-----
From: Ken Ismert [mailto:KIsmert at TexasSystems.com]
Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 12:28 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] No MsgBox allowed



John,

I faced a similar problem when setting up a datamart application which runs
nightly on the server. I needed error logging and notification when a
sub-process failed, but the rest of the processes needed to run, if
possible.

My response was to develop an error logging system with plug-ins to support
the various destinations of the logged messages. All the plug-ins support a
common interface, IErrorLog, which defines the common properties and methods
each must support.

So far, I have written plug-ins that will log errors to tables using ADO and
DAO, email via CDONTS and MAPI, text files, the console (immediate window)
and yes, the message box.

What plug-ins get used is defined by an .ini configuration file. For
production, errors are routed to tables, CDONTS email and text. For
development, another .ini file is used which routes errors to the console
and message box.

What the loggers do is defined in part by template text files. For the table
loggers, these contain SQL statements. For the email, text and console
loggers, these have boilerplate text. All template files contain tokens,
like <ErrNumber> and <ErrDescription>, which are replaced by the matching
information when the error is logged.

This is all managed by a global error handling object, which keeps an
internal record of all errors encountered during execution, and logs errors
with all the currently active loggers. It allows the error generating
routine to save the current error, or raise it. Calling routines can examine
the error results of a call, and skip dependant calls which follow, go on to
the next process, or raise the previous error.

-Ken


-----Original Message-----
From: Colby, John [mailto:JColby at dispec.com]
Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 1:46 PM
To: 'AccessD at DatabaseAdvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] No MsgBox allowed


I am doing a rewrite on an app that runs unattended and emails (or FTPs)
files out to a client.  This app absolutely must run, or at least if it
fails it has to NOT pop up a message box and halt the process.

<snip>

Aside from the obvious "Access is not the optimum environment to write such
an app", has anyone done stuff like this (in Access) and do you have any
thoughts on the issues above or any others I haven't raised?

<snip>

John W. Colby
The DIS Database Guy



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From cyx5 at cdc.gov  Tue Sep 28 13:58:50 2004
From: cyx5 at cdc.gov (Nicholson, Karen)
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 14:58:50 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access/SQL Dates
Message-ID: <A5B5AA20555F594BA7B6BD2048E49E43840739@m-niosh-5.niosh.cdc.gov>

Not this puppy!  The ODBC driver is from some company called
pervasive.com.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 11:34 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access/SQL Dates


SQL Server uses single quotes around date values.

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Heenan, Lambert [mailto:Lambert.Heenan at aig.com] 
Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 8:19 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; 'Nicholson,
Karen'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access/SQL Dates


Very probably I am wrong as I've not yet had the joy of dealing with SQL
server, but is it not the case that the date delimiting character in SQL
Server is the percentage symbol (%) not pound or hash (#)?

Lambert

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [SMTP:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Nicholson,
Karen
> Sent:	Monday, September 27, 2004 8:19 AM
> To:	Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject:	RE: [AccessD] Access/SQL Dates
> 
> Interesting.  The SQL backend structure can not be changed as it is 
> proprietary.  Yikes.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mike & 
> Doris Manning
> Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 7:27 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access/SQL Dates
> 
> 
> I ran into this problem when I used smalldatetime in the table as the 
> data type instead of datetime.  To be honest, I was in a hurry and 
> didn't have
> time to figure out why it was happening.  I just changed from
> smalldatetime
> to datetime and the problem went away.  I've never used smalldatetime
> since
> then.
> 
> Doris Manning
> Database Administrator
> Hargrove Inc.
> www.hargroveinc.com
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Nicholson, 
> Karen
> Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 6:33 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Access/SQL Dates
> 
> 
> I have an Access front-end and am querying an SQL backend.  When 
> putting in a select statement in the query, all is fine if I specify a

> date of say, less than today or <date()... However, if I try to 
> specify a particular date, I get an sql overflow error.  The syntaxes 
> I have tried
> include: <#9/27/2004#  <'9/27/2004' <'20040927'.  Any clues?  Thanks.
> 
> Karen Nicholson
> National Laboratory
> Xerox Global Services
> 
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From serbach at new.rr.com  Tue Sep 28 14:49:36 2004
From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach)
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 14:49:36 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Exact match in query
Message-ID: <20040928144936.1554955827.serbach@new.rr.com>

Dear Group,

I've scanned through Access help on this and I'm coming up short. I have a query like the following:

INSERT INTO Daily 
  ( [Date], 
  [Source Number], 
  [Facility Part #], 
  [Used before disposal], 
  [Unit used], 
  ProductID )
SELECT 
  DailyFID3.Date, 
  DailyFID3.[Source Number], 
  DailyFID3.[Facility Part #], 
  DailyFID3.[Used before disposal], 
  DailyFID3.[Unit used], 
  Product.ProductID
FROM DailyFID3 
INNER JOIN 
  Product ON DailyFID3.[Facility Part #] = Product.[Facility Part Number];

The query inserts records from the DailyFID3 table into the Daily table. This is an upgrade from a Paradox for Windows application and I'm consolidating and normalizing the data.

There are several records in the DailyFID3 table that have a [Facility Part #] of 8605guz. The problem comes here: the Product table has entries for both 8605guz and 8605GUZ. So for every record in DailyFID3 with a part number of 8605guz, Access appends TWO records into the Daily table, each record having a different ProductID.

Paradox had no trouble matching the exact capitalization of the [Facility Part #]. Access seems to ignore capitalization; thus I'm getting more records appended than exist in the original table.

My question is: how do I get an Access query to pay attention to capitalization?

Regards,

Steve Erbach
Neenah, WI

"We cannot make a man worth a gven amount by making it illegal for anyone to offer him less." - Henry Hazlitt




From mikedorism at adelphia.net  Tue Sep 28 15:47:03 2004
From: mikedorism at adelphia.net (Mike & Doris Manning)
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 16:47:03 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Exact match in query
In-Reply-To: <20040928144936.1554955827.serbach@new.rr.com>
Message-ID: <000001c4a59c$50433700$060aa845@hargrove.internal>

Try using Ucase(DailyFID3.[Facility Part #]) = Ucase(Product.[Facility Part
Number]) -- it will force all the alpha characters to upper case.

Doris Manning
Database Administrator
Hargrove Inc.
www.hargroveinc.com


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steven W. Erbach
Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 3:50 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Exact match in query


Dear Group,

I've scanned through Access help on this and I'm coming up short. I have a
query like the following:

INSERT INTO Daily 
  ( [Date], 
  [Source Number], 
  [Facility Part #], 
  [Used before disposal], 
  [Unit used], 
  ProductID )
SELECT 
  DailyFID3.Date, 
  DailyFID3.[Source Number], 
  DailyFID3.[Facility Part #], 
  DailyFID3.[Used before disposal], 
  DailyFID3.[Unit used], 
  Product.ProductID
FROM DailyFID3 
INNER JOIN 
  Product ON DailyFID3.[Facility Part #] = Product.[Facility Part Number];

The query inserts records from the DailyFID3 table into the Daily table.
This is an upgrade from a Paradox for Windows application and I'm
consolidating and normalizing the data.

There are several records in the DailyFID3 table that have a [Facility Part
#] of 8605guz. The problem comes here: the Product table has entries for
both 8605guz and 8605GUZ. So for every record in DailyFID3 with a part
number of 8605guz, Access appends TWO records into the Daily table, each
record having a different ProductID.

Paradox had no trouble matching the exact capitalization of the [Facility
Part #]. Access seems to ignore capitalization; thus I'm getting more
records appended than exist in the original table.

My question is: how do I get an Access query to pay attention to
capitalization?

Regards,

Steve Erbach
Neenah, WI

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offer him less." - Henry Hazlitt


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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue Sep 28 15:56:07 2004
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 13:56:07 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Exact match in query
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86651994@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Access is not case sensitive by default and the query engine isn't at
all, although you can force binary comparisons using InStr with the 0
option to force a binary compare. 

Are the two productIDs actually for different products?  If so, you
might want to find one of the values and replace all those with a new
ProductID that won't confuse the issue as well.

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Steven W. Erbach [mailto:serbach at new.rr.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 12:50 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Exact match in query


Dear Group,

I've scanned through Access help on this and I'm coming up short. I have
a query like the following:

INSERT INTO Daily 
  ( [Date], 
  [Source Number], 
  [Facility Part #], 
  [Used before disposal], 
  [Unit used], 
  ProductID )
SELECT 
  DailyFID3.Date, 
  DailyFID3.[Source Number], 
  DailyFID3.[Facility Part #], 
  DailyFID3.[Used before disposal], 
  DailyFID3.[Unit used], 
  Product.ProductID
FROM DailyFID3 
INNER JOIN 
  Product ON DailyFID3.[Facility Part #] = Product.[Facility Part
Number];

The query inserts records from the DailyFID3 table into the Daily table.
This is an upgrade from a Paradox for Windows application and I'm
consolidating and normalizing the data.

There are several records in the DailyFID3 table that have a [Facility
Part #] of 8605guz. The problem comes here: the Product table has
entries for both 8605guz and 8605GUZ. So for every record in DailyFID3
with a part number of 8605guz, Access appends TWO records into the Daily
table, each record having a different ProductID.

Paradox had no trouble matching the exact capitalization of the
[Facility Part #]. Access seems to ignore capitalization; thus I'm
getting more records appended than exist in the original table.

My question is: how do I get an Access query to pay attention to
capitalization?

Regards,

Steve Erbach
Neenah, WI

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anyone to offer him less." - Henry Hazlitt


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From shait at mindspring.com  Tue Sep 28 16:11:37 2004
From: shait at mindspring.com (Stephen Hait)
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 17:11:37 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Exact match in query
In-Reply-To: <20040928144936.1554955827.serbach@new.rr.com>
Message-ID: <41599B49.26315.1958AE1C@localhost>


> My question is: how do I get an Access query to pay attention to
> capitalization?

Access queries are case insensitive. You may be able to use  
the strComp function, though.

Stephen



From serbach at new.rr.com  Tue Sep 28 16:22:26 2004
From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach)
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 16:22:26 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Exact match in query
In-Reply-To: <000001c4a59c$50433700$060aa845@hargrove.internal>
References: <20040928144936.1554955827.serbach@new.rr.com>
	<000001c4a59c$50433700$060aa845@hargrove.internal>
Message-ID: <20040928162226.812392248.serbach@new.rr.com>

Doris,

>> Try using Ucase(DailyFID3.[Facility Part #]) = Ucase(Product.[Facility Part
Number]) -- it will force all the alpha characters to upper case. <<

Won't this still add two records? Because both occurences of the [Facility Part Number] will be upper case now and there are still two different product numbers?

Steve Erbach




From serbach at new.rr.com  Tue Sep 28 16:24:43 2004
From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach)
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 16:24:43 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Exact match in query
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86651994@infoserver01.infostat.local>
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86651994@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <20040928162443.439057683.serbach@new.rr.com>

Charlotte,

>> Access is not case sensitive by default and the query engine isn't at
all, although you can force binary comparisons using InStr with the 0
option to force a binary compare. <<

Ah! That sounds like the ticket.

>> Are the two productIDs actually for different products? ?If so, you
might want to find one of the values and replace all those with a new
ProductID that won't confuse the issue as well. <<

The customer has to do some inspection of his data before this program is put into production. Yes, the two product IDs represent identical products, just entered sloppily. However, each occurence of the product has different attributes. Only the customer can confirm which is the right one.

Thanks, Charlotte.

Steve Erbach




From paul.hartland at fsmail.net  Tue Sep 28 05:32:07 2004
From: paul.hartland at fsmail.net (paul.hartland at fsmail.net)
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 12:32:07 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [AccessD] Common Dialog in Access 97
Message-ID: <16860256.1096367527513.JavaMail.www@wwinf3002>

To all,
I have developed an application in Office XP which uses the Microsoft common dialog control.  I converted the application to Access 97, using the convert wizard and when installed on an Access 97 machine the common dialog section does not work, and it's not available in the ActiveX controls, anyone any idea's on how I can get this in Access 97
Paul Hartland

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From GregWSmith at starband.net  Tue Sep 28 09:37:32 2004
From: GregWSmith at starband.net (GregWSmith at starband.net)
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 10:37:32 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Test-Do not archive
In-Reply-To: <2694.216.43.21.235.1096318200.squirrel@medusa.email.starband.net>
References: <2694.216.43.21.235.1096318200.squirrel@medusa.email.starband.net>
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Sent at 0938 CDT 09-28-04.

> Test only.
>
> Greg





From pjones at btl.net  Tue Sep 28 17:39:14 2004
From: pjones at btl.net (Paul M. Jones)
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 16:39:14 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] File DSN vs. System DSN
In-Reply-To: <20040928162443.439057683.serbach@new.rr.com>
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86651994@infoserver01.infostat.local>
	<20040928162443.439057683.serbach@new.rr.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20040928163625.022957e8@pop.btl.net>


I am connecting an MS Access 2000 front end to SQL Server 2000.  I have 
found that it's easier to deploy applications using a File DSN instead of a 
System DSN.  Anyone knows if there's a performance hit or other factors 
associated with File DSN instead of System DSN?

Paul M. Jones
Spire Services Ltd.





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From jmhla at earthlink.net  Tue Sep 28 23:09:41 2004
From: jmhla at earthlink.net (Joe Hecht)
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 21:09:41 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] ADPs  in the future
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312A7F@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <200409290409.i8T49Zf05625@databaseadvisors.com>

Be Nice You

Joe Hecht
jmhla at earthlink.net
28g
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 9:17 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] ADPs in the future

Why, Jim!  All they have to do is buy a library of MS Press books and
follow all the instructions! <evilgrin>

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Hale, Jim [mailto:Jim.Hale at fleetpride.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 8:16 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] ADPs in the future


<small business still has the need for custom
database apps that don't require SQL Server.>

Amen. Furthermore, without a strong developer community how does
Microsoft expect power users to master Access? It is a copout for them
to take the attitude that the future of Access is to be just a power
users tool. Jim Hale

-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 10:43 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] ADPs in the future


All I know is that the State of California and the Federal government
are still using Access desktop databases for stuff the programmers don't
have time to create and small business still has the need for custom
database apps that don't require SQL Server. ;-/


Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Ken Ismert [mailto:KIsmert at TexasSystems.com] 
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 10:02 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] ADPs in the future



Dan,

Unless the next version of Access is a completely .NET centric product,
Windows forms on top, VB.NET or C# underneath, and is fully web enabled
(in other words the complete rewrite Mary Chipman said they weren't
going to do), it will have nothing of interest in it for me.

A simple test: if the next version of Access doesn't natively support
Microsoft's flagship database, SQL Server 2005, it has been abandoned.

I would like to hear more responses regarding the current prospects of
Access consulting. Nearly everyone I know locally is either having a
tough time getting Access work, or is moving away from Access towards
more profitable work. A consensus from this group that there is a
burgeoning Access job market in the near future would do more than
anything else to dispel my pessimism.

And yes, the bright side of the story is that the fundamentals we learn
here are applicable to any new data environment we may encounter.

-Ken

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To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] ADPs in the future


Ken,

Let's not sink the ship just yet.  A new version of Access (12) will
soon begin to be discussed.  Let's see what it is first.

OTOH, the skills that I know I've developed will let learn whatever I
need to learn to make my future work!

Dan Waters

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From michael at ddisolutions.com.au  Wed Sep 29 00:05:22 2004
From: michael at ddisolutions.com.au (Michael Maddison)
Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 15:05:22 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Common Dialog in Access 97
Message-ID: <59A61174B1F5B54B97FD4ADDE71E7D01011BE1@ddi-01.DDI.local>

Don't use the control :-)
Use the API's instead.  You can find source code all over the WWW.
Google   VB common dialog code

cheers

Michael M

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I have developed an application in Office XP which uses the Microsoft
common dialog control.  I converted the application to Access 97, using
the convert wizard and when installed on an Access 97 machine the common
dialog section does not work, and it's not available in the ActiveX
controls, anyone any idea's on how I can get this in Access 97 Paul
Hartland

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From Paul.Rogers at SummitMedia.co.uk  Wed Sep 29 04:36:10 2004
From: Paul.Rogers at SummitMedia.co.uk (Paul Rodgers)
Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 10:36:10 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Access form producing a Word document
Message-ID: <EAF3070ACB1AD81182280002A51EF73119227A@s003.wolds.summitmedia.co.uk>

Can an Access form be coded to print a single Word document in which the
text is almost always the same, but for about three fields, please? 

For example, a command button to produce (for the employee whose form it is)
birthday cheers, or a wedding congratulations, or to be fired. 

Cheers 
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Sep 29 05:01:39 2004
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 12:01:39 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Common Dialog in Access 97
In-Reply-To: <16860256.1096367527513.JavaMail.www@wwinf3002>
References: <16860256.1096367527513.JavaMail.www@wwinf3002>
Message-ID: <5710827579.20040929120139@cactus.dk>

Hi Paul

You need to have exactly the same version of the ocx on the machine.
If it is not used for anything else on that machine, you can copy your
version. You may need to register it though.

If this is not a one-shot install, rewrite your code to use the API.

/gustav


> To all,
> I have developed an application in Office XP which uses the Microsoft common dialog control.  I converted the application to Access 97, using the convert wizard and when installed on an Access 97
> machine the common dialog section does not work, and it's not available in the ActiveX controls, anyone any idea's on how I can get this in Access 97
> Paul Hartland



From joconnell at indy.rr.com  Wed Sep 29 09:30:35 2004
From: joconnell at indy.rr.com (Joseph O'Connell)
Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 09:30:35 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access form producing a Word document
Message-ID: <01a301c4a630$e3c9a2e0$6701a8c0@joe>

Paul,

Create a Word document and instead of typing the text that can change,
insert a bookmark using names that are meaningful to you.  Save the
document.

Create a form with 3 text boxes and a command button.  The user will enter
values into each textbox to be inserted into the Word document.  Insert this
code for the Click event of the button (insert your own error handling).

    Dim appWord As Word.Application
    Dim docWord As Word.Document
    Dim strFile as String

    strFile = "insert the complete path to the Word document"

    Set appWord = New Word.Application
    Set docWord = appWord.Documents.Add(strFile)

    docWord.Bookmarks("the name of the first bookmark").Range.Text =
Me!txtField1
    docWord.Bookmarks("the name of the second bookmark").Range.Text =
Me!txtField2
    docWord.Bookmarks("the name of the third bookmark").Range.Text =
Me!txtField3

    appWord.ActiveDocument.PrintOut
    appWord.ActiveDocument.Close

    Set appWord = Nothing
    Set appWord = Nothing
    strFile = ""


Joe O'Connell


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Date: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 4:43 AM
Subject: [AccessD] Access form producing a Word document


|Can an Access form be coded to print a single Word document in which the
|text is almost always the same, but for about three fields, please?
|
|For example, a command button to produce (for the employee whose form it
is)
|birthday cheers, or a wedding congratulations, or to be fired.
|
|Cheers
|paul
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From ajallen at mail.wvu.edu  Wed Sep 29 09:39:28 2004
From: ajallen at mail.wvu.edu (Amanda Rittenhouse)
Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 10:39:28 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Splitting Information from One field into Two
Message-ID: <s15a90e9.010@WVUGW01.wvu.edu>

Thank you.  That worked perfectly.
* Amanda

>>> rbgajewski at adelphia.net 9/28/04 12:24:57 PM >>>
Amanda

Use the InStr function to locate the comma (or comma and following space)
and then use the Left/Mid/Right functions to extract the portions on either
side of the comma.

Regards,
Bob Gajewski

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To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: [AccessD] Splitting Information from One field into Two


I can't find my sample code where I update two fields by splitting one.  I
have a field NAME which contains:
last name      comma     first name        Example:  Smith, John
I want to create two fields:  LastName     FirstName
I want to populate the two fields with the data from NAME.  Before the comma
is the last name and after the comma is the first name.  I've seen the
update code to do it but can not locate it now.  Please help.

* Amanda

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From Paul.Rogers at SummitMedia.co.uk  Wed Sep 29 10:01:48 2004
From: Paul.Rogers at SummitMedia.co.uk (Paul Rodgers)
Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 16:01:48 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Access form producing a Word document
Message-ID: <EAF3070ACB1AD81182280002A51EF73119227B@s003.wolds.summitmedia.co.uk>

That looks excellent, Joe. Many, many thanks. All the best
paul

-----Original Message-----
From: Joseph O'Connell [mailto:joconnell at indy.rr.com]
Sent: 29 September 2004 15:31
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving;
Paul.Rogers at summitmedia.co.uk
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access form producing a Word document


Paul,

Create a Word document and instead of typing the text that can change,
insert a bookmark using names that are meaningful to you.  Save the
document.

Create a form with 3 text boxes and a command button.  The user will enter
values into each textbox to be inserted into the Word document.  Insert this
code for the Click event of the button (insert your own error handling).

    Dim appWord As Word.Application
    Dim docWord As Word.Document
    Dim strFile as String

    strFile = "insert the complete path to the Word document"

    Set appWord = New Word.Application
    Set docWord = appWord.Documents.Add(strFile)

    docWord.Bookmarks("the name of the first bookmark").Range.Text =
Me!txtField1
    docWord.Bookmarks("the name of the second bookmark").Range.Text =
Me!txtField2
    docWord.Bookmarks("the name of the third bookmark").Range.Text =
Me!txtField3

    appWord.ActiveDocument.PrintOut
    appWord.ActiveDocument.Close

    Set appWord = Nothing
    Set appWord = Nothing
    strFile = ""


Joe O'Connell


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From: Paul Rodgers <Paul.Rogers at SummitMedia.co.uk>
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Date: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 4:43 AM
Subject: [AccessD] Access form producing a Word document


|Can an Access form be coded to print a single Word document in which the
|text is almost always the same, but for about three fields, please?
|
|For example, a command button to produce (for the employee whose form it
is)
|birthday cheers, or a wedding congratulations, or to be fired.
|
|Cheers
|paul
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From garykjos at hotmail.com  Wed Sep 29 10:17:49 2004
From: garykjos at hotmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 10:17:49 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Splitting Information from One field into Two
Message-ID: <BAY2-F21KtWfN3vSAMf0001b65a@hotmail.com>

Hi Amanda,

You need an update query with something like

LastName:Left([FullName],Instr(1,[FullName],",")-1)
FirstNameName:Mid([FullName],Instr(1,[FullName],",")+1)

-----------

What these statements do is;

Left = Returns a Variant (String) containing a specified number of 
characters from the left side of a string.

InStr = Returns a Variant (Long) specifying the position of the first 
occurrence of one string within another.

Mid = Returns a Variant (String) containing a specified number of characters 
from a string.

----------------

So the first one grabs everything to the left of the comma and the second 
one grabs everything to the right of the comma.

You are kind of asking for trouble with a field just called NAME in my 
opinion. Could be reserved things using that term.

Gary Kjos
garykjos at hotmail.com





>From: "Amanda Rittenhouse" <ajallen at mail.wvu.edu>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: [AccessD] Splitting Information from One field into Two
>Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 12:07:42 -0400
>
>I can't find my sample code where I update two fields by splitting one.  I 
>have a field NAME which contains:
>last name      comma     first name        Example:  Smith, John
>I want to create two fields:  LastName     FirstName
>I want to populate the two fields with the data from NAME.  Before the 
>comma is the last name and after the comma is the first name.  I've seen 
>the update code to do it but can not locate it now.  Please help.
>
>* Amanda
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From Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com  Wed Sep 29 11:45:49 2004
From: Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com (Hale, Jim)
Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 11:45:49 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access form producing a Word document
Message-ID: <6A6AA9DF57E4F046BDA1E273BDDB677217FF65@corp-es01.fleetpride.com>

Wow, I hope you don't hit the wrong button by mistake! ;-)
Jim

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Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 4:36 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Access form producing a Word document


Can an Access form be coded to print a single Word document in which the
text is almost always the same, but for about three fields, please? 

For example, a command button to produce (for the employee whose form it is)
birthday cheers, or a wedding congratulations, or to be fired. 

Cheers 
paul

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From ajallen at mail.wvu.edu  Wed Sep 29 14:12:16 2004
From: ajallen at mail.wvu.edu (Amanda Rittenhouse)
Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 15:12:16 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Exporting Memo Fields
Message-ID: <s15ad0e5.007@WVUGW01.wvu.edu>

I use the following code to send a query results via email.  However, my memo field from the table is converted into a text field and cutting the field at 255 characters.  How do I get the query to provide the entire memo field?

DoCmd.SendObject acSendQuery,"q_Name", acFormatXLS, , "email to", , "Subject", "email Message", True

* Amanda



From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Wed Sep 29 15:07:19 2004
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (DWUTKA at marlow.com)
Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 15:07:19 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Exporting Memo Fields
Message-ID: <123701F54509D9119A4F00D0B747349016CFA5@main2.marlow.com>

I think the fastest way to fix this is to just build a report for that
query, set the memo field's CanGrow property to True, and change your code
to send the report, instead of sending a query.  When you send the query, it
is going to send it like a row in a query, which is going to limit the
number of viewable characters to 255.

Drew

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From: Amanda Rittenhouse [mailto:ajallen at mail.wvu.edu]
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 2:12 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Exporting Memo Fields


I use the following code to send a query results via email.  However, my
memo field from the table is converted into a text field and cutting the
field at 255 characters.  How do I get the query to provide the entire memo
field?

DoCmd.SendObject acSendQuery,"q_Name", acFormatXLS, , "email to", ,
"Subject", "email Message", True

* Amanda

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From lmrazek at lcm-res.com  Wed Sep 29 15:36:03 2004
From: lmrazek at lcm-res.com (Lawrence Mrazek)
Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 15:36:03 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Days of the Week Report 
In-Reply-To: <s15ad0e5.007@WVUGW01.wvu.edu>
Message-ID: <200409291635435.SM01212@hplaptop>

Hi:

I know I'm missing something, but I currently can't get the following to
work:

1. tblProductionInfo has the following fields: (ProductionID, DateProduced,
KgsProduced, BatchSize, BagsProduced ... Etc.)

Basically, I want to be able to display a report with the days of the week
at the top (column headings), and the fields (KgsProduced, BatchSize,
BagsProduced) as row headings. 

Thus, it should look something like:

			Sun	Mon	Tues	Wed	Thur	Fri	Sat
KgsProduced		1	3	3	2	2	2	1

BatchSize		1	3	3	2	2	2	1
BagsProduced	1	3	3	2	2	2	1
Totals		3	9	9	6	6	6	3

Can I do this in Access? I'll be using a parameter in the query to select
only one calendar week at a time using the DatePart and Year function to
filter against user supplied criteria. 

Any hints would be appreciated ... Haven't worked with Crosstabs in a long
time ... I know it has to be easier than I'm making it !

Larry Mrazek
LCM Research, Inc.
www.lcm-res.com
lmrazek at lcm-res.com
ph. 314-432-5886
fx. 314-432-3304




From JHewson at karta.com  Wed Sep 29 15:54:38 2004
From: JHewson at karta.com (Jim Hewson)
Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 15:54:38 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access form producing a Word document
Message-ID: <9C382E065F54AE48BC3AA7925DCBB01C0103E36C@karta-exc-int.Karta.com>


I can't get this to work.
It errors out on the first line with the cryptic:  
"Compile error:  User-defined type not defined"
I couldn't find anything in help "Word.Application" 

I'm using A2K if that makes a difference.

Thanks,
Jim


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O'Connell
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 9:31 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving;
Paul.Rogers at SummitMedia.co.uk
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access form producing a Word document


Paul,

Create a Word document and instead of typing the text that can change,
insert a bookmark using names that are meaningful to you.  Save the
document.

Create a form with 3 text boxes and a command button.  The user will enter
values into each textbox to be inserted into the Word document.  Insert this
code for the Click event of the button (insert your own error handling).

    Dim appWord As Word.Application
    Dim docWord As Word.Document
    Dim strFile as String

    strFile = "insert the complete path to the Word document"

    Set appWord = New Word.Application
    Set docWord = appWord.Documents.Add(strFile)

    docWord.Bookmarks("the name of the first bookmark").Range.Text =
Me!txtField1
    docWord.Bookmarks("the name of the second bookmark").Range.Text =
Me!txtField2
    docWord.Bookmarks("the name of the third bookmark").Range.Text =
Me!txtField3

    appWord.ActiveDocument.PrintOut
    appWord.ActiveDocument.Close

    Set appWord = Nothing
    Set appWord = Nothing
    strFile = ""


Joe O'Connell


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To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Date: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 4:43 AM
Subject: [AccessD] Access form producing a Word document


|Can an Access form be coded to print a single Word document in which the
|text is almost always the same, but for about three fields, please?
|
|For example, a command button to produce (for the employee whose form it
is)
|birthday cheers, or a wedding congratulations, or to be fired.
|
|Cheers
|paul
|
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From JHewson at karta.com  Wed Sep 29 16:15:36 2004
From: JHewson at karta.com (Jim Hewson)
Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 16:15:36 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access form producing a Word document
Message-ID: <9C382E065F54AE48BC3AA7925DCBB01C0103E36D@karta-exc-int.Karta.com>


I get it...
Think references!
Doh!  Sometimes I feel like a dolt.
Jim

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Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 3:55 PM
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Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access form producing a Word document



I can't get this to work.
It errors out on the first line with the cryptic:  
"Compile error:  User-defined type not defined"
I couldn't find anything in help "Word.Application" 

I'm using A2K if that makes a difference.

Thanks,
Jim


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O'Connell
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 9:31 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving;
Paul.Rogers at SummitMedia.co.uk
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access form producing a Word document


Paul,

Create a Word document and instead of typing the text that can change,
insert a bookmark using names that are meaningful to you.  Save the
document.

Create a form with 3 text boxes and a command button.  The user will enter
values into each textbox to be inserted into the Word document.  Insert this
code for the Click event of the button (insert your own error handling).

    Dim appWord As Word.Application
    Dim docWord As Word.Document
    Dim strFile as String

    strFile = "insert the complete path to the Word document"

    Set appWord = New Word.Application
    Set docWord = appWord.Documents.Add(strFile)

    docWord.Bookmarks("the name of the first bookmark").Range.Text =
Me!txtField1
    docWord.Bookmarks("the name of the second bookmark").Range.Text =
Me!txtField2
    docWord.Bookmarks("the name of the third bookmark").Range.Text =
Me!txtField3

    appWord.ActiveDocument.PrintOut
    appWord.ActiveDocument.Close

    Set appWord = Nothing
    Set appWord = Nothing
    strFile = ""


Joe O'Connell


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To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Date: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 4:43 AM
Subject: [AccessD] Access form producing a Word document


|Can an Access form be coded to print a single Word document in which the
|text is almost always the same, but for about three fields, please?
|
|For example, a command button to produce (for the employee whose form it
is)
|birthday cheers, or a wedding congratulations, or to be fired.
|
|Cheers
|paul
|
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From paul.hartland at fsmail.net  Wed Sep 29 05:11:28 2004
From: paul.hartland at fsmail.net (paul.hartland at fsmail.net)
Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 12:11:28 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [AccessD] Common Dialog in Access 97
Message-ID: <199913.1096452688580.JavaMail.www@wwinf3003>

Thanks for everyone's help on this, I went the API route in the end.





Message date : Sep 29 2004, 11:05 AM
>From : "Gustav Brock" 
To : "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
Copy to : 
Subject : Re: [AccessD] Common Dialog in Access 97
Hi Paul

You need to have exactly the same version of the ocx on the machine.
If it is not used for anything else on that machine, you can copy your
version. You may need to register it though.

If this is not a one-shot install, rewrite your code to use the API.

/gustav


> To all,
> I have developed an application in Office XP which uses the Microsoft common dialog control. I converted the application to Access 97, using the convert wizard and when installed on an Access 97
> machine the common dialog section does not work, and it's not available in the ActiveX controls, anyone any idea's on how I can get this in Access 97
> Paul Hartland

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From pedro at plex.nl  Thu Sep 30 11:49:45 2004
From: pedro at plex.nl (pedro at plex.nl)
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 11:49:45 (MET DST)
Subject: [AccessD] print structure
Message-ID: <200409300949.i8U9nj9S020105@mailhostC.plex.net>

Hello group,

is there a way to print out the structure of a database. With this i mean all fields, type's and properties of the table's, forms etc.

Thanks

Pedro Janssen


From ssharkins at bellsouth.net  Thu Sep 30 06:23:43 2004
From: ssharkins at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 07:23:43 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] print structure
References: <200409300949.i8U9nj9S020105@mailhostC.plex.net>
Message-ID: <014701c4a6e1$c90559c0$9865fea9@BILLONE>

Use the Documenter feature -- Tools, Database Utilities -- it's simple to
use.

Susan H.


> Hello group,
>
> is there a way to print out the structure of a database. With this i mean
all fields, type's and properties of the table's, forms etc.
>



From paul.hartland at fsmail.net  Thu Sep 30 07:18:46 2004
From: paul.hartland at fsmail.net (paul.hartland at fsmail.net)
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 14:18:46 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [AccessD] Exporting Using Code
Message-ID: <22306874.1096546726997.JavaMail.www@wwinf3004>

 I have the following code to export a query into csv file,

 strExcelName = "G3-DE-DJL-25-" & Format(dtStart, "dd-mm-yyyy") & ".csv"
    
 strSQL = "SELECT * INTO " & _
                       "[Text;Database=\\Genesis\Genesis$\Excel_Worksheets\Email\" & strExcelName & "] " & _
                       "FROM qryDailyJobListingForTimer " & _
                       "WHERE (tblBooking.JobDate >= #" & dtStart & "# AND tblBooking.JobDate <= #" & dtFinish & "#) OR " & _
                       "(tblBooking.JobDate < #" & dtStart & "# AND tblBooking.BkgDate >= #" & dtStart & "# AND tblBooking.BkgDate <=#" & dtFinish & "#)"


however when I run it using
 
dbConn.Execute strSQL
 
I get the following error:
 
Run Time Error ?-2147467259 (80004005)?:
?qryDailyJobListingForTimer? is not a valid name. Make sure that it does not include invalid characters or punctuation and that it is not too long
 
I am running this from Visual Basic, the dbConn is the connection to the correct database, I just can?t seem to get it to work, any ideas anyone ?

 Thanks in advance for any help.

 Paul Hartland

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From actebs at actebs.com.au  Thu Sep 30 08:06:36 2004
From: actebs at actebs.com.au (ACTEBS)
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 23:06:36 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Arthur's Treeview
Message-ID: <2025BB6F17FCB54791F23CD505583328041BB6@starfleet.unknown.local>

Hi everyone,
 
I am mucking around with Arthur's Tree view control using DAO. What I
can't figure out is how you get the ID of the item selected within the
treeview itself so I can use it to filter a recordset. For example:
 
Level 1 = ProductCategory eg Dairy
Level 2 = Product eg Goats Milk
 
I want to be able to get the ProductCategoryID as I am only able to get
the ProductCategoryText out at the moment in Level 1. This also applies
to the Level 2 where I'd prefer to obtain the ProductID rather than the
ProductDescription. Obviously I don't want the user to see these
values...
 
Any help much appreciated...
 
Vlad
 
 


From mikedorism at adelphia.net  Thu Sep 30 08:35:57 2004
From: mikedorism at adelphia.net (Mike & Doris Manning)
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 09:35:57 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Arthur's Treeview
In-Reply-To: <2025BB6F17FCB54791F23CD505583328041BB6@starfleet.unknown.local>
Message-ID: <000001c4a6f2$6aefe6a0$060aa845@hargrove.internal>

I store that information in the Node's Tag property.

Doris Manning
Database Administrator
Hargrove Inc.
www.hargroveinc.com


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of ACTEBS
Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 9:07 AM
To: access group
Subject: [AccessD] Arthur's Treeview


Hi everyone,
 
I am mucking around with Arthur's Tree view control using DAO. What I can't
figure out is how you get the ID of the item selected within the treeview
itself so I can use it to filter a recordset. For example:
 
Level 1 = ProductCategory eg Dairy
Level 2 = Product eg Goats Milk
 
I want to be able to get the ProductCategoryID as I am only able to get the
ProductCategoryText out at the moment in Level 1. This also applies to the
Level 2 where I'd prefer to obtain the ProductID rather than the
ProductDescription. Obviously I don't want the user to see these values...
 
Any help much appreciated...
 
Vlad
 
 
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From JColby at dispec.com  Thu Sep 30 08:40:01 2004
From: JColby at dispec.com (Colby, John)
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 09:40:01 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Flattening out a child table
Message-ID: <05C61C52D7CAD211A7830008C7DF6F10CBF8EE@DISABILITYINS01>

I have a data export that I need to do.  An "Advise to Pay" (ATP) tells the
insurer to pay on a claim, how much and for how long.  Part of that
information will be Offsets to the payment.  Pay this amount gross, but
deduct this amount and this amount and this amount.  The offsets consist of
a code (type of offset), offset from date, offset to date and amount of the
offset.  Since the offsets are in a child table to ATP, any advise to pay
can have from zero to unlimited offsets.

I am taking this data - Claim, claimant, ATP and Offset - and inserting it
into a single record where there are repeating fields (denormalized
obviously) for things like the offsets.  The export format gives me 16 sets
of fields (code / from date / to date / amount) into which I can insert up
to 16 offsets, which realistically is more than I need.

My question is, can this be done only in SQL or am I going to need to build
a temporary table to put this in and run a program to pull the data from the
offset records and jam it into sequential offset "slots" in the temp table?
I can't for the life of me envision SQL able to flatten out n to 16 offsets
into repeating field groups in this manner.  For one record, yea, for N ATP
records...  It seems this is a crosstab kind of thing but my brain just
isn't kicking out the solution this AM.

John W. Colby
The DIS Database Guy


From Alun.Garraway at otto.de  Thu Sep 30 09:02:51 2004
From: Alun.Garraway at otto.de (Garraway, Alun)
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 16:02:51 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Arthur's Treeview
Message-ID: <D096EDDAA3939B45BEAF0F506801709A7B2C7D@ntovmail03.ov.otto.de>

Hi Vlad,

I use the Node.Key to store that info.

here's some test code

hth
alun

Private Sub tvwSpot_ON_NodeClick(ByVal Node As Object)

    Dim strLeval As String
    
    With Node
        strLeval = Left(.Key, 2)

        Select Case strLeval
        
        Case "WG"
            MsgBox "this is leval 1 " & .Key
            
        Case "AR"
            MsgBox "this is leval 2 " & Right(.Key, 6)
        Case Else
            MsgBox "nothing! " & .Key
        End Select
    End With
End Sub

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of ACTEBS
Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 3:07 PM
To: access group
Subject: [AccessD] Arthur's Treeview


Hi everyone,
 
I am mucking around with Arthur's Tree view control using DAO. What I
can't figure out is how you get the ID of the item selected within the
treeview itself so I can use it to filter a recordset. For example:
 
Level 1 = ProductCategory eg Dairy
Level 2 = Product eg Goats Milk
 
I want to be able to get the ProductCategoryID as I am only able to get
the ProductCategoryText out at the moment in Level 1. This also applies
to the Level 2 where I'd prefer to obtain the ProductID rather than the
ProductDescription. Obviously I don't want the user to see these
values...
 
Any help much appreciated...
 
Vlad
 
 
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From GregSmith at starband.net  Thu Sep 30 09:19:52 2004
From: GregSmith at starband.net (Greg Smith)
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 09:19:52 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Test - Posts not delivered.
In-Reply-To: <2025BB6F17FCB54791F23CD505583328041BB6@starfleet.unknown.local>
References: <2025BB6F17FCB54791F23CD505583328041BB6@starfleet.unknown.local>
Message-ID: <1586.216.43.21.235.1096553992.squirrel@cetus.email.starband.net>

Bryan:

Most of my posts are still being 'undelivered'.  They bounce back, as this
one will from databaseadvisors.com (makes no difference whether it's to
listmaster or accessD), and are at first marked 'warning...could
not...deliver...just a warning', then about a day later I'll get the
message that it couldn't deliver it and it was trashed.

I even signed up a second account to accessD from starband (temporary
email address ... maybe...), but it's getting the same thing.  I have NO
server-side filtering on either account, so it's not being blocked by
anything I have here.

Is there something in the header of my emails that is being captured or
blocked by databaseadvisors.com?

I feel a lot like the tail trying to wag the dog...as I have no control
over how Starband sends emails, but if you could find out what's causing
the issue, and it's a Starband issue, I sure would let them know!

Thanks.

Greg Smith




From Mike.W.Gowey at doc.state.or.us  Thu Sep 30 09:21:32 2004
From: Mike.W.Gowey at doc.state.or.us (Gowey Mike W)
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 08:21:32 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Calling and filling in an Outlook Form
Message-ID: <05EBB8A3BEB95B4F8216BE4EF4860778042AFFB6@srciml1.ds.doc.state.or.us>

 

Hi Everyone,

Before I go off and spend a lot of time on this I wanted to ask if
anyone has ever called an Outlook form and filled it in with data from
an Access table and than send the Outlook form????

Any information on this would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

Mike Gowey  MCSA, A+, LME, NET+
Team Leader - SRCI
Information Systems & Services




From GregSmith at starband.net  Thu Sep 30 09:56:18 2004
From: GregSmith at starband.net (Greg Smith)
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 09:56:18 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Test - Posts not delivered.
In-Reply-To: <1586.216.43.21.235.1096553992.squirrel@cetus.email.starband.net>
References: <2025BB6F17FCB54791F23CD505583328041BB6@starfleet.unknown.local>
	<1586.216.43.21.235.1096553992.squirrel@cetus.email.starband.net>
Message-ID: <1726.216.43.21.235.1096556178.squirrel@cetus.email.starband.net>

Oh FINE.  NOW it posts 'em right away.  Sigh.  Make me look like an idiot.
 I really don't need any help in THAT department...

Greg


> Bryan:
>
> Most of my posts are still being 'undelivered'.  They bounce back, as
> this one will from databaseadvisors.com (makes no difference whether
> it's to listmaster or accessD), and are at first marked 'warning...could
> not...deliver...just a warning', then about a day later I'll get the
> message that it couldn't deliver it and it was trashed.
>
> I even signed up a second account to accessD from starband (temporary
> email address ... maybe...), but it's getting the same thing.  I have NO
> server-side filtering on either account, so it's not being blocked by
> anything I have here.
>
> Is there something in the header of my emails that is being captured or
> blocked by databaseadvisors.com?
>
> I feel a lot like the tail trying to wag the dog...as I have no control
> over how Starband sends emails, but if you could find out what's causing
> the issue, and it's a Starband issue, I sure would let them know!
>
> Thanks.
>
> Greg Smith
>
>
> --
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From actebs at actebs.com.au  Thu Sep 30 09:58:58 2004
From: actebs at actebs.com.au (ACTEBS)
Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 00:58:58 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Arthur's Treeview
Message-ID: <2025BB6F17FCB54791F23CD50558332803852B@starfleet.unknown.local>

Alun,

You're a superstar...

Thanx
Vlad

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Garraway,
Alun
Sent: Friday, 1 October 2004 12:03 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Arthur's Treeview


Hi Vlad,

I use the Node.Key to store that info.

here's some test code

hth
alun

Private Sub tvwSpot_ON_NodeClick(ByVal Node As Object)

    Dim strLeval As String
    
    With Node
        strLeval = Left(.Key, 2)

        Select Case strLeval
        
        Case "WG"
            MsgBox "this is leval 1 " & .Key
            
        Case "AR"
            MsgBox "this is leval 2 " & Right(.Key, 6)
        Case Else
            MsgBox "nothing! " & .Key
        End Select
    End With
End Sub

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of ACTEBS
Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 3:07 PM
To: access group
Subject: [AccessD] Arthur's Treeview


Hi everyone,
 
I am mucking around with Arthur's Tree view control using DAO. What I
can't figure out is how you get the ID of the item selected within the
treeview itself so I can use it to filter a recordset. For example:
 
Level 1 = ProductCategory eg Dairy
Level 2 = Product eg Goats Milk
 
I want to be able to get the ProductCategoryID as I am only able to get
the ProductCategoryText out at the moment in Level 1. This also applies
to the Level 2 where I'd prefer to obtain the ProductID rather than the
ProductDescription. Obviously I don't want the user to see these
values...
 
Any help much appreciated...
 
Vlad
 
 
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu Sep 30 10:26:34 2004
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 08:26:34 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Test - Posts not delivered.
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312A89@infoserver01.infostat.local>

LOL

Wipe the egg off your face and keep posting!! ;-}

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Greg Smith [mailto:GregSmith at starband.net] 
Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 7:56 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Test - Posts not delivered.


Oh FINE.  NOW it posts 'em right away.  Sigh.  Make me look like an
idiot.  I really don't need any help in THAT department...

Greg


> Bryan:
>
> Most of my posts are still being 'undelivered'.  They bounce back, as 
> this one will from databaseadvisors.com (makes no difference whether 
> it's to listmaster or accessD), and are at first marked 
> 'warning...could not...deliver...just a warning', then about a day 
> later I'll get the message that it couldn't deliver it and it was 
> trashed.
>
> I even signed up a second account to accessD from starband (temporary 
> email address ... maybe...), but it's getting the same thing.  I have 
> NO server-side filtering on either account, so it's not being blocked 
> by anything I have here.
>
> Is there something in the header of my emails that is being captured 
> or blocked by databaseadvisors.com?
>
> I feel a lot like the tail trying to wag the dog...as I have no 
> control over how Starband sends emails, but if you could find out 
> what's causing the issue, and it's a Starband issue, I sure would let 
> them know!
>
> Thanks.
>
> Greg Smith
>
>
> --
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> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
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From JColby at dispec.com  Thu Sep 30 10:45:21 2004
From: JColby at dispec.com (Colby, John)
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 11:45:21 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Test - Posts not delivered.
Message-ID: <05C61C52D7CAD211A7830008C7DF6F10CBF8F0@DISABILITYINS01>

Hey, we ARE having problems with the list, no egg wiping needed.  My son
leaves the egg on all day (and boy does it embarrass mom).

John W. Colby
The DIS Database Guy


-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 11:27 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Test - Posts not delivered.


LOL

Wipe the egg off your face and keep posting!! ;-}

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Greg Smith [mailto:GregSmith at starband.net] 
Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 7:56 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Test - Posts not delivered.


Oh FINE.  NOW it posts 'em right away.  Sigh.  Make me look like an
idiot.  I really don't need any help in THAT department...

Greg


> Bryan:
>
> Most of my posts are still being 'undelivered'.  They bounce back, as 
> this one will from databaseadvisors.com (makes no difference whether 
> it's to listmaster or accessD), and are at first marked 
> 'warning...could not...deliver...just a warning', then about a day 
> later I'll get the message that it couldn't deliver it and it was 
> trashed.
>
> I even signed up a second account to accessD from starband (temporary 
> email address ... maybe...), but it's getting the same thing.  I have 
> NO server-side filtering on either account, so it's not being blocked 
> by anything I have here.
>
> Is there something in the header of my emails that is being captured 
> or blocked by databaseadvisors.com?
>
> I feel a lot like the tail trying to wag the dog...as I have no 
> control over how Starband sends emails, but if you could find out 
> what's causing the issue, and it's a Starband issue, I sure would let 
> them know!
>
> Thanks.
>
> Greg Smith
>
>
> --
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> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com



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From carbonnb at gmail.com  Thu Sep 30 11:01:02 2004
From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 12:01:02 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Test - Posts not delivered.
In-Reply-To: <05C61C52D7CAD211A7830008C7DF6F10CBF8F0@DISABILITYINS01>
References: <05C61C52D7CAD211A7830008C7DF6F10CBF8F0@DISABILITYINS01>
Message-ID: <e04a6c920409300901578bad8e@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, 30 Sep 2004 11:45:21 -0400, Colby, John <jcolby at dispec.com> wrote:
> Hey, we ARE having problems with the list, no egg wiping needed.  My son
> leaves the egg on all day (and boy does it embarrass mom).

Were!! I *think* the problems disappeared this morning

-- 
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preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
shouting "What a great ride!"


From paul.hartland at fsmail.net  Thu Sep 30 11:05:09 2004
From: paul.hartland at fsmail.net (paul.hartland at fsmail.net)
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 18:05:09 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [AccessD] Menu/Toolbar Switching Functions on/Off
Message-ID: <5084615.1096560309103.JavaMail.www@wwinf3003>

To All,
If no text is selected in my textbox, I don't want the copy or cut functions to be available on my toolbar/menu. Likewise if the clipboard is empty I don't want to Paste to be available.

I'm thinking that on the keypress/mousemove/any activity events of my textbox I could put in the appropriate code to enable and disable the relevant options. But this seems a bit messy to me. Is this the correct way to go about doing this or does anyone know of a better way?

Paul Hartland

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From bheid at appdevgrp.com  Thu Sep 30 11:18:07 2004
From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid)
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 12:18:07 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Menu/Toolbar Switching Functions on/Off
In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA309B502E@ADGSERVER>
Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA305BB89F@ADGSERVER>

I am unable to bring up Access at the moment, but isn't this done
automatically?  I tried it with this e-mail and it is automatic.

Bobby

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
paul.hartland at fsmail.net
Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 12:05 PM
To: accessd
Subject: [AccessD] Menu/Toolbar Switching Functions on/Off


To All,
If no text is selected in my textbox, I don't want the copy or cut functions
to be available on my toolbar/menu. Likewise if the clipboard is empty I
don't want to Paste to be available.

I'm thinking that on the keypress/mousemove/any activity events of my
textbox I could put in the appropriate code to enable and disable the
relevant options. But this seems a bit messy to me. Is this the correct way
to go about doing this or does anyone know of a better way?

Paul Hartland




From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu Sep 30 11:20:28 2004
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 09:20:28 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Test - Posts not delivered.
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312A8A@infoserver01.infostat.local>

>>boy does it embarrass mom

She just hasn't been doing it long enough to realize that little boys
are made that way.  They could find dirt in a space bubble and tidy is a
brand of toilet cleanser!

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Colby, John [mailto:JColby at dispec.com] 
Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 8:45 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Test - Posts not delivered.


Hey, we ARE having problems with the list, no egg wiping needed.  My son
leaves the egg on all day (and boy does it embarrass mom).

John W. Colby
The DIS Database Guy


-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 11:27 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Test - Posts not delivered.


LOL

Wipe the egg off your face and keep posting!! ;-}

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Greg Smith [mailto:GregSmith at starband.net] 
Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 7:56 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Test - Posts not delivered.


Oh FINE.  NOW it posts 'em right away.  Sigh.  Make me look like an
idiot.  I really don't need any help in THAT department...

Greg


> Bryan:
>
> Most of my posts are still being 'undelivered'.  They bounce back, as
> this one will from databaseadvisors.com (makes no difference whether 
> it's to listmaster or accessD), and are at first marked 
> 'warning...could not...deliver...just a warning', then about a day 
> later I'll get the message that it couldn't deliver it and it was 
> trashed.
>
> I even signed up a second account to accessD from starband (temporary
> email address ... maybe...), but it's getting the same thing.  I have 
> NO server-side filtering on either account, so it's not being blocked 
> by anything I have here.
>
> Is there something in the header of my emails that is being captured
> or blocked by databaseadvisors.com?
>
> I feel a lot like the tail trying to wag the dog...as I have no
> control over how Starband sends emails, but if you could find out 
> what's causing the issue, and it's a Starband issue, I sure would let 
> them know!
>
> Thanks.
>
> Greg Smith
>
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From JColby at dispec.com  Thu Sep 30 11:21:21 2004
From: JColby at dispec.com (Colby, John)
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 12:21:21 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Menu/Toolbar Switching Functions on/Off
Message-ID: <05C61C52D7CAD211A7830008C7DF6F10CBF8F1@DISABILITYINS01>

Boy, you know he's out of things to do when...

But seriously, whenever you do figure it out, that is definitely a framework
kinda thing so that is there in all text boxes everywhere.

John W. Colby
The DIS Database Guy


-----Original Message-----
From: paul.hartland at fsmail.net [mailto:paul.hartland at fsmail.net]
Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 12:05 PM
To: accessd
Subject: [AccessD] Menu/Toolbar Switching Functions on/Off


To All,
If no text is selected in my textbox, I don't want the copy or cut functions
to be available on my toolbar/menu. Likewise if the clipboard is empty I
don't want to Paste to be available.

I'm thinking that on the keypress/mousemove/any activity events of my
textbox I could put in the appropriate code to enable and disable the
relevant options. But this seems a bit messy to me. Is this the correct way
to go about doing this or does anyone know of a better way?

Paul Hartland

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From adtp at touchtelindia.net  Thu Sep 30 13:00:46 2004
From: adtp at touchtelindia.net (A.D.Tejpal)
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 23:30:46 +0530
Subject: [AccessD] Days of the Week Report 
References: <200409291635435.SM01212@hplaptop>
Message-ID: <009601c4a717$93b510e0$c71865cb@winxp>

Larry,

    You need a crosstab query as the record source for your report. However, your existing table design is not amenable to creation of the final query in a single shot. Under the circumstances, two alternatives can be considered.

    (1) Modify the table design.
        1.1 If too much data has not already been filled in, the table design can be modified so as to replace the existing number type fields (KgsProduced, BatchSize, BagsProduced, -- etc), by just two fields, i.e. Item (text type) and Output (number type). 
        1.2 For each date, there will be separate records for KgsProduced, BatchSize, BagsProduced etc (all in the column named Item) and corresponding numbers will be entered in the column named Output.
        1.3 With this arrangement, creation of crosstab query is straightforward, using Item as Row-Heading, WeekdayName as Column-Heading and Output as Value.

    (2) Managing with existing table structure.
        2.1 If you feel compelled to stick to the existing table design, you have to create individual crosstab queries for KgsProduced, BatchSize, BagsProduced etc, inserting Item as independent alias, to serve as row heading.
        2.2 All crosstab queries created as per 2.1 above, are then to be combined into a union query to serve as record source for the intended report.
        2.3 As an illustration, SQL for crosstab query pertaining to BagsProduced, is given below. Other queries (for KgsProduced, BatchSize -- etc) can be built on similar lines.

    You should now be in a position to proceed ahead with the alternative best suited to your specific situation. If you are stuck for any reason (even after trying for the next few days), just let me know.

Regards,
A.D.Tejpal
--------------

=====================================
TRANSFORM Sum(tblProductionInfo.BagsProduced) AS [OutPut]
SELECT "BagsProduced" AS Item
FROM tblProductionInfo
GROUP BY "BagsProduced"
PIVOT WeekdayName(Weekday([DateProduced]),True) In ("Sun","Mon","Tue","Wed","Thu","Fri","Sat");
=====================================

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Lawrence Mrazek 
  To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' 
  Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 02:06
  Subject: [AccessD] Days of the Week Report 


  Hi:

  I know I'm missing something, but I currently can't get the following to work:

  1. tblProductionInfo has the following fields: (ProductionID, DateProduced, KgsProduced, BatchSize, BagsProduced ... Etc.)

  Basically, I want to be able to display a report with the days of the week at the top (column headings), and the fields (KgsProduced, BatchSize, BagsProduced) as row headings. 

  Thus, it should look something like:

  Sun Mon Tues Wed Thur Fri Sat
  KgsProduced 1 3 3 2 2 2 1
  BatchSize 1 3 3 2 2 2 1
  BagsProduced 1 3 3 2 2 2 1
  Totals 3 9 9 6 6 6 3

  Can I do this in Access? I'll be using a parameter in the query to select only one calendar week at a time using the DatePart and Year function to filter against user supplied criteria. 

  Any hints would be appreciated ... Haven't worked with Crosstabs in a long time ... I know it has to be easier than I'm making it !

  Larry Mrazek
  LCM Research, Inc.
  www.lcm-res.com
  lmrazek at lcm-res.com
  ph. 314-432-5886
  fx. 314-432-3304


From pedro at plex.nl  Thu Sep 30 14:46:03 2004
From: pedro at plex.nl (Pedro Janssen)
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 21:46:03 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] print structure
References: <200409300949.i8U9nj9S020105@mailhostC.plex.net>
	<014701c4a6e1$c90559c0$9865fea9@BILLONE>
Message-ID: <008601c4a736$51180de0$f3c581d5@pedro>

Hello Susan,

thanks for sharing.
I didn't know this option at all.
It's very usefull.

Pedro Janssen

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To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 1:23 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] print structure


> Use the Documenter feature -- Tools, Database Utilities -- it's simple to
> use.
>
> Susan H.
>
>
> > Hello group,
> >
> > is there a way to print out the structure of a database. With this i
mean
> all fields, type's and properties of the table's, forms etc.
> >
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From pedro at plex.nl  Thu Sep 30 15:01:39 2004
From: pedro at plex.nl (Pedro Janssen)
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 22:01:39 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] date query
References: <000c01c4a27d$9b424600$f9c581d5@pedro>
	<691989590.20040925091522@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <008701c4a736$51891f30$f3c581d5@pedro>

Hello Mike, Doris and Gustav,

Mike and Doris you were right.
The fieldname Date gave me the trouble.

Gustav, sometimes i don't trust myself
to show a query that isn't working.
Because i expect that the solution is simple,
i sometimes think "what do the other members
of the group will think of such an easy question".

I am not a developer and use access for easy
working with patient data. I often don't have the time
to concentrate total on a query or code. I know this
is a bad excuse and that the best way to learn is taking
time and confront myself with my mistakes.
But time time time.

I am glad that you folks exist and help with all the access problems.

Thanks i will try to make more time.

Greetings

Pedro Janssen


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From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2004 9:15 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] date query


> Hi Pedro
>
> > i have a table [tblmeasure1] and important for the query are two
> > fields:  Date and Temperature.
>
> > I am trying to get avg, min etc. etc from Temperature in certain
> > date periods (Between #...# and #....#. But i keep running into
> > errors. What is the right way to do this?
>
> This is the way. So why not show us your query?
>
> /gustav
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Sep 30 17:20:20 2004
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 08:20:20 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Flattening out a child table
In-Reply-To: <05C61C52D7CAD211A7830008C7DF6F10CBF8EE@DISABILITYINS01>
Message-ID: <415D1344.6819.71FB458@lexacorp.com.pg>

On 30 Sep 2004 at 9:40, Colby, John wrote:

> I have a data export that I need to do.  An "Advise to Pay" (ATP) tells the
> insurer to pay on a claim, how much and for how long.  Part of that
> information will be Offsets to the payment.  Pay this amount gross, but
> deduct this amount and this amount and this amount.  The offsets consist of
> a code (type of offset), offset from date, offset to date and amount of the
> offset.  Since the offsets are in a child table to ATP, any advise to pay
> can have from zero to unlimited offsets.
> 
> I am taking this data - Claim, claimant, ATP and Offset - and inserting it
> into a single record where there are repeating fields (denormalized
> obviously) for things like the offsets.  The export format gives me 16 sets
> of fields (code / from date / to date / amount) into which I can insert up
> to 16 offsets, which realistically is more than I need.
> 
> My question is, can this be done only in SQL or am I going to need to build
> a temporary table to put this in and run a program to pull the data from the
> offset records and jam it into sequential offset "slots" in the temp table?
> I can't for the life of me envision SQL able to flatten out n to 16 offsets
> into repeating field groups in this manner.  For one record, yea, for N ATP
> records...  It seems this is a crosstab kind of thing but my brain just
> isn't kicking out the solution this AM.
> 

Trouble with crosstabs is you can only have one Value field and you are 
looking at four.   I would probably do this in code. Build a function which 
pulls the offsets for a specific claim from a recordset and structures the 
output appropriately. Depending on what you are exporting to, you can 
possibly then just write the data directly to your export file without 
building any temp table.




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From GregSmith at starband.net  Wed Sep 29 14:08:10 2004
From: GregSmith at starband.net (Greg Smith)
Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 14:08:10 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Test for today...
In-Reply-To: <s15a90e9.010@WVUGW01.wvu.edu>
References: <s15a90e9.010@WVUGW01.wvu.edu>
Message-ID: <2210.216.43.21.235.1096484890.squirrel@cetus.email.starband.net>

Test for Wednesday, 9-29-04 @ 1410 cdt

Greg




From john at winhaven.net  Thu Sep 30 21:18:24 2004
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 21:18:24 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Test for today...
In-Reply-To: <2210.216.43.21.235.1096484890.squirrel@cetus.email.starband.net>
Message-ID: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJIECGHPAA.john@winhaven.net>

OK at 21:09 CST

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Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 2:08 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Test for today...


Test for Wednesday, 9-29-04 @ 1410 cdt

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From lmrazek at lcm-res.com  Thu Sep 30 22:05:27 2004
From: lmrazek at lcm-res.com (Lawrence Mrazek)
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 22:05:27 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Days of the Week Report 
In-Reply-To: <009601c4a717$93b510e0$c71865cb@winxp>
Message-ID: <200409302305300.SM01420@hplaptop>

Thanks A.D. 

This was a big help! 


Larry Mrazek
LCM Research, Inc.
www.lcm-res.com
lmrazek at lcm-res.com
ph. 314-432-5886
fx. 314-432-3304

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of A.D.Tejpal
Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 1:01 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Days of the Week Report 

Larry,

    You need a crosstab query as the record source for your report. However,
your existing table design is not amenable to creation of the final query in
a single shot. Under the circumstances, two alternatives can be considered.

    (1) Modify the table design.
        1.1 If too much data has not already been filled in, the table
design can be modified so as to replace the existing number type fields
(KgsProduced, BatchSize, BagsProduced, -- etc), by just two fields, i.e.
Item (text type) and Output (number type). 
        1.2 For each date, there will be separate records for KgsProduced,
BatchSize, BagsProduced etc (all in the column named Item) and corresponding
numbers will be entered in the column named Output.
        1.3 With this arrangement, creation of crosstab query is
straightforward, using Item as Row-Heading, WeekdayName as Column-Heading
and Output as Value.

    (2) Managing with existing table structure.
        2.1 If you feel compelled to stick to the existing table design, you
have to create individual crosstab queries for KgsProduced, BatchSize,
BagsProduced etc, inserting Item as independent alias, to serve as row
heading.
        2.2 All crosstab queries created as per 2.1 above, are then to be
combined into a union query to serve as record source for the intended
report.
        2.3 As an illustration, SQL for crosstab query pertaining to
BagsProduced, is given below. Other queries (for KgsProduced, BatchSize --
etc) can be built on similar lines.

    You should now be in a position to proceed ahead with the alternative
best suited to your specific situation. If you are stuck for any reason
(even after trying for the next few days), just let me know.

Regards,
A.D.Tejpal
--------------

=====================================
TRANSFORM Sum(tblProductionInfo.BagsProduced) AS [OutPut] SELECT
"BagsProduced" AS Item FROM tblProductionInfo GROUP BY "BagsProduced"
PIVOT WeekdayName(Weekday([DateProduced]),True) In
("Sun","Mon","Tue","Wed","Thu","Fri","Sat");
=====================================

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Lawrence Mrazek
  To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' 
  Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 02:06
  Subject: [AccessD] Days of the Week Report 


  Hi:

  I know I'm missing something, but I currently can't get the following to
work:

  1. tblProductionInfo has the following fields: (ProductionID,
DateProduced, KgsProduced, BatchSize, BagsProduced ... Etc.)

  Basically, I want to be able to display a report with the days of the week
at the top (column headings), and the fields (KgsProduced, BatchSize,
BagsProduced) as row headings. 

  Thus, it should look something like:

  Sun Mon Tues Wed Thur Fri Sat
  KgsProduced 1 3 3 2 2 2 1
  BatchSize 1 3 3 2 2 2 1
  BagsProduced 1 3 3 2 2 2 1
  Totals 3 9 9 6 6 6 3

  Can I do this in Access? I'll be using a parameter in the query to select
only one calendar week at a time using the DatePart and Year function to
filter against user supplied criteria. 

  Any hints would be appreciated ... Haven't worked with Crosstabs in a long
time ... I know it has to be easier than I'm making it !

  Larry Mrazek
  LCM Research, Inc.
  www.lcm-res.com
  lmrazek at lcm-res.com
  ph. 314-432-5886
  fx. 314-432-3304
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From GregSmith at starband.net  Tue Sep 28 08:08:32 2004
From: GregSmith at starband.net (Greg Smith)
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 08:08:32 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Test Only
In-Reply-To: <1470.216.43.21.235.1096294301.squirrel@cetus.email.starband.net>
References: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C8318805CED50A@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>
	<1470.216.43.21.235.1096294301.squirrel@cetus.email.starband.net>
Message-ID: <1330.216.43.21.235.1096376912.squirrel@cetus.email.starband.net>

Test only..Sorry about all these...

Greg




From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Wed Sep  1 01:14:44 2004
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps - IT Helps)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 08:14:44 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] A2K:Determine OS and version via VBA - Solved
	thanksGustav and Stuart
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF0ADB51@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

It is advised to put the MDE on the local computer of the client, so all
network users use their own MDE file.

Thats always good for several reasons already discusses in the mailing
list, but I want to point out that there are some weirder things with
Access 2003 references than we are used with 2K.

References some times need to be disabled and re-enabled before the
apllications works.
In case you have different Access versions running in the same site, a
MDE file on the user local computer is a must due to these references.

Erwin


 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darren DICK
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 5:25 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K:Determine OS and version via VBA - Solved
thanksGustav and Stuart

Gustav and Stuart

Many thanks to you both 

Both sets of code Work like a charm

Many thanks to you both

Have a great day

Darren



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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Tuesday, 31 August 2004 9:57 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K:Determine OS and version via VBA


Hi Darren

> I used to have a little code jewel from the list tucked away in my own

> personal little archive that would allow me to determine the OS in
> VBA- But alas since the death of the laptop my personal stash has gone

> So....Anyone got any code to determine the OS and version?

We use this module:

<code>

Option Compare Database
Option Explicit

'                           Major     Minor
' OS              Platform  Version   Version  Build
'
' Windows 95      1         4          0
' Windows 98      1         4         10       1998
' Windows 98SE    1         4         10       2222
' Windows ME      1         4         90       3000
' NT 3.51         2         3         51
' NT              2         4          0       1381
' 2000            2         5          0
' XP              2         5          1       2600
' Server 2003     2         5          2

' Code based on MS API documentation.
' 2004-07-02. Assembled by Cactus Data ApS, CPH.
  
  Private Const VER_PLATFORM_WIN32s         As Long = 0 ' Win32s on
Windows
3.1x.
  Private Const VER_PLATFORM_WIN32_WINDOWS  As Long = 1 ' Windows 95,
Windows 98, Windows ME.
  Private Const VER_PLATFORM_WIN32_NT       As Long = 2 ' Windows NT,
Windows 2000, Windows XP, Windows Server 2003.
  
  Private Const clngCSDVersion              As Long = 128

  Private Type OSVERSIONINFO
    dwOSVersionInfoSize As Long
    dwMajorVersion      As Long
    dwMinorVersion      As Long
    dwBuildNumber       As Long
    dwPlatformId        As Long
    szCSDVersion        As String * clngCSDVersion
  End Type
  
  Private Declare Function GetVersionEx Lib "kernel32" Alias
"GetVersionExA"
( _
    ByRef lpVersionInformation As OSVERSIONINFO) _
    As Long

Public Function GetVersion() As String

' Retrieves version of current Windows OS.
' Returns version as full string.
'
' 2004-07-02. Cactus Data ApS, CPH.

  Dim OSV         As OSVERSIONINFO
  
  Dim strVersion  As String
    
  OSV.dwOSVersionInfoSize = Len(OSV)
  OSV.szCSDVersion = Space$(clngCSDVersion)
  GetVersionEx OSV
  With OSV
    ' Service Pack info string.
    Debug.Print .szCSDVersion
    Select Case .dwPlatformId
      Case VER_PLATFORM_WIN32s          ' Win32s on Windows 3.1x.
        strVersion = "Windows 3.1"
      Case VER_PLATFORM_WIN32_WINDOWS   ' Windows 95, Windows 98,
        Select Case .dwMinorVersion     ' Windows ME.
          Case 0
            strVersion = "Windows 95"
          Case 10
            If (.dwBuildNumber And &HFFFF&) = 2222 Then
              strVersion = "Windows 98SE"
            Else
              strVersion = "Windows 98"
            End If
          Case 90
            strVersion = "Windows ME"
        End Select
      Case VER_PLATFORM_WIN32_NT        ' Windows NT, Windows 2000,
Windows
XP,
        Select Case .dwMajorVersion     ' Windows Server 2003.
          Case 3
            strVersion = "Windows NT 3.51"
          Case 4
            strVersion = "Windows NT 4.0"
          Case 5
            Select Case .dwMinorVersion
              Case 0
                strVersion = "Windows 2000"
              Case 1
                strVersion = "Windows XP"
              Case 2
                strVersion = "Windows Server 2003"
            End Select
        End Select
      Case Else
        strVersion = "Unknown"
    End Select
  End With
  
  GetVersion = strVersion
  
End Function

Public Function IsWinXP() As Boolean

' Checks current Windows OS.
' Returns True if OS is Win XP or Server 2003.
'
' 2004-07-07. Cactus Data ApS, CPH.

  Dim OSV         As OSVERSIONINFO
  
  Dim booVersion  As Boolean
    
  OSV.dwOSVersionInfoSize = Len(OSV)
  GetVersionEx OSV
  With OSV
    Select Case .dwPlatformId
      Case VER_PLATFORM_WIN32_NT        ' Windows NT, Windows 2000,
Windows
XP,
        Select Case .dwMajorVersion     ' Windows Server 2003.
          Case 5
            Select Case .dwMinorVersion
              Case 0
                ' strVersion = "Windows 2000"
              Case 1
                ' strVersion = "Windows XP"
                booVersion = True
              Case 2
                ' strVersion = "Windows Server 2003"
                booVersion = True
            End Select
        End Select
    End Select
  End With
  
  IsWinXP = booVersion
  
End Function

</code>

Have fun!

/gustav

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From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Wed Sep  1 02:56:08 2004
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps - IT Helps)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 09:56:08 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] A2K:Determine OS and version via VBA -
	SolvedthanksGustav and Stuart
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF0ADB52@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

Ignore my previous message, it was intended for another issue.... 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Erwin Craps -
IT Helps
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 8:15 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K:Determine OS and version via VBA -
SolvedthanksGustav and Stuart

It is advised to put the MDE on the local computer of the client, so all
network users use their own MDE file.

Thats always good for several reasons already discusses in the mailing
list, but I want to point out that there are some weirder things with
Access 2003 references than we are used with 2K.

References some times need to be disabled and re-enabled before the
apllications works.
In case you have different Access versions running in the same site, a
MDE file on the user local computer is a must due to these references.

Erwin


 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darren DICK
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 5:25 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K:Determine OS and version via VBA - Solved
thanksGustav and Stuart

Gustav and Stuart

Many thanks to you both 

Both sets of code Work like a charm

Many thanks to you both

Have a great day

Darren



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Tuesday, 31 August 2004 9:57 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K:Determine OS and version via VBA


Hi Darren

> I used to have a little code jewel from the list tucked away in my own

> personal little archive that would allow me to determine the OS in
> VBA- But alas since the death of the laptop my personal stash has gone

> So....Anyone got any code to determine the OS and version?

We use this module:

<code>

Option Compare Database
Option Explicit

'                           Major     Minor
' OS              Platform  Version   Version  Build
'
' Windows 95      1         4          0
' Windows 98      1         4         10       1998
' Windows 98SE    1         4         10       2222
' Windows ME      1         4         90       3000
' NT 3.51         2         3         51
' NT              2         4          0       1381
' 2000            2         5          0
' XP              2         5          1       2600
' Server 2003     2         5          2

' Code based on MS API documentation.
' 2004-07-02. Assembled by Cactus Data ApS, CPH.
  
  Private Const VER_PLATFORM_WIN32s         As Long = 0 ' Win32s on
Windows
3.1x.
  Private Const VER_PLATFORM_WIN32_WINDOWS  As Long = 1 ' Windows 95,
Windows 98, Windows ME.
  Private Const VER_PLATFORM_WIN32_NT       As Long = 2 ' Windows NT,
Windows 2000, Windows XP, Windows Server 2003.
  
  Private Const clngCSDVersion              As Long = 128

  Private Type OSVERSIONINFO
    dwOSVersionInfoSize As Long
    dwMajorVersion      As Long
    dwMinorVersion      As Long
    dwBuildNumber       As Long
    dwPlatformId        As Long
    szCSDVersion        As String * clngCSDVersion
  End Type
  
  Private Declare Function GetVersionEx Lib "kernel32" Alias
"GetVersionExA"
( _
    ByRef lpVersionInformation As OSVERSIONINFO) _
    As Long

Public Function GetVersion() As String

' Retrieves version of current Windows OS.
' Returns version as full string.
'
' 2004-07-02. Cactus Data ApS, CPH.

  Dim OSV         As OSVERSIONINFO
  
  Dim strVersion  As String
    
  OSV.dwOSVersionInfoSize = Len(OSV)
  OSV.szCSDVersion = Space$(clngCSDVersion)
  GetVersionEx OSV
  With OSV
    ' Service Pack info string.
    Debug.Print .szCSDVersion
    Select Case .dwPlatformId
      Case VER_PLATFORM_WIN32s          ' Win32s on Windows 3.1x.
        strVersion = "Windows 3.1"
      Case VER_PLATFORM_WIN32_WINDOWS   ' Windows 95, Windows 98,
        Select Case .dwMinorVersion     ' Windows ME.
          Case 0
            strVersion = "Windows 95"
          Case 10
            If (.dwBuildNumber And &HFFFF&) = 2222 Then
              strVersion = "Windows 98SE"
            Else
              strVersion = "Windows 98"
            End If
          Case 90
            strVersion = "Windows ME"
        End Select
      Case VER_PLATFORM_WIN32_NT        ' Windows NT, Windows 2000,
Windows
XP,
        Select Case .dwMajorVersion     ' Windows Server 2003.
          Case 3
            strVersion = "Windows NT 3.51"
          Case 4
            strVersion = "Windows NT 4.0"
          Case 5
            Select Case .dwMinorVersion
              Case 0
                strVersion = "Windows 2000"
              Case 1
                strVersion = "Windows XP"
              Case 2
                strVersion = "Windows Server 2003"
            End Select
        End Select
      Case Else
        strVersion = "Unknown"
    End Select
  End With
  
  GetVersion = strVersion
  
End Function

Public Function IsWinXP() As Boolean

' Checks current Windows OS.
' Returns True if OS is Win XP or Server 2003.
'
' 2004-07-07. Cactus Data ApS, CPH.

  Dim OSV         As OSVERSIONINFO
  
  Dim booVersion  As Boolean
    
  OSV.dwOSVersionInfoSize = Len(OSV)
  GetVersionEx OSV
  With OSV
    Select Case .dwPlatformId
      Case VER_PLATFORM_WIN32_NT        ' Windows NT, Windows 2000,
Windows
XP,
        Select Case .dwMajorVersion     ' Windows Server 2003.
          Case 5
            Select Case .dwMinorVersion
              Case 0
                ' strVersion = "Windows 2000"
              Case 1
                ' strVersion = "Windows XP"
                booVersion = True
              Case 2
                ' strVersion = "Windows Server 2003"
                booVersion = True
            End Select
        End Select
    End Select
  End With
  
  IsWinXP = booVersion
  
End Function

</code>

Have fun!

/gustav

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From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Wed Sep  1 02:56:20 2004
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps - IT Helps)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 09:56:20 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Will an A2K MDE run unde A2003?
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF0ADB53@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

It is advised to put the MDE on the local computer of the client, so all
network users use their own MDE file.

Thats always good for several reasons already discusses in the mailing
list, but I want to point out that there are some weirder things with
Access 2003 references than we are used with 2K.

References some times need to be disabled and re-enabled before the
apllications works.
In case you have different Access versions running in the same site, a
MDE file on the user local computer is a must due to these references.

Erwin 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
- Beach Access Software
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 5:48 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Will an A2K MDE run unde A2003?

For my market having Access is quite common.  So it's not really an
issue.
I've got Wise and could, I suppose, get the Sagekey script for A2K.  But
that's already 2 versions behind the latest.

I understand that A2003 has a pretty decent deployment facility.  Yes?

If this prospect wants the software and it will only run in A2003 I'll
get A2003, and then I'll have a chance to test the deployment features.

Rocky

----- Original Message -----
From: "Francisco Tapia" <fhtapia at gmail.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 5:03 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Will an A2K MDE run unde A2003?


> I am curious as to why you don't deploy it w/ a runtime?, I mean you
> don't have it as opensource to allow the customer to work w/ the app.
>
> On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 16:40:07 -0700, Rocky Smolin - Beach Access
> Software <bchacc at san.rr.com> wrote:
> > Dear List:
> >
> > I have to call a guy tomorrow morning and tell him whether my
software
will work in Access 2003.  I compile it into an MDE under Access 2000.
I
know that MDE will run under Access 2002. Will the MDE run in 2003?
> >
> > I also have Access 2002 which I could use to make an MDE.  Would an
MDE
compiled under Access 2002 run under Access 2003?
> >
>
> -- 
> -Francisco
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Sep  1 01:44:59 2004
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence (AccessD))
Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 23:44:59 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Slightly OT: HTTPS question
In-Reply-To: <08F823FD83787D4BA0B99CA580AD3C74089AF3@TTNEXCHCL2.hshhp.com>
Message-ID: <FJEJLIPOMCGJALMGLLLIOECMCGAA.accessd@shaw.ca>

Hi Jim:

I do not know wether this is an issue with you but a client was having some
problems with their version of IE. It turned out to be a proxy issue and
nothing to do with the browser. Their proxy client was not properly setup or
was not installed.

HTH
Jim

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim DeMarco
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 10:32 AM
To: AccessD (E-mail)
Subject: [AccessD] Slightly OT: HTTPS question


List,

Does anyone know if IE 5xx has any issues with accessing https sites?  I'm
pretty sure I can get them on my home PC but I've got a laptop here at the
office that serves up "page not found" errors on two of our sites (one a web
app, the other a Citrix server).

Thanks,

Jim DeMarco
Director Application Development
Hudson Health Plan
Tarrytown, NY



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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Wed Sep  1 01:48:48 2004
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 23:48:48 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Will an A2K MDE run unde A2003?
References: <001701c48fb3$d92f7320$6601a8c0@HAL9002>
	<b874372a04083117034bcc0def@mail.gmail.com>
	<00f801c48fd6$6f473f10$6601a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <413570D0.8010209@shaw.ca>

SageKey has an MSI deployment script for Access 2003. $400  It also 
removes the need for a digital certificate.
which might prove to be a problem or just a nuisance with Access 2000 
MDE running under 2003.
I guess you will find out.

Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software wrote:

>For my market having Access is quite common.  So it's not really an issue.
>I've got Wise and could, I suppose, get the Sagekey script for A2K.  But
>that's already 2 versions behind the latest.
>
>I understand that A2003 has a pretty decent deployment facility.  Yes?
>
>If this prospect wants the software and it will only run in A2003 I'll get
>A2003, and then I'll have a chance to test the deployment features.
>
>Rocky
>
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Francisco Tapia" <fhtapia at gmail.com>
>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
><accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 5:03 PM
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Will an A2K MDE run unde A2003?
>
>
>  
>
>>I am curious as to why you don't deploy it w/ a runtime?, I mean you
>>don't have it as opensource to allow the customer to work w/ the app.
>>
>>On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 16:40:07 -0700, Rocky Smolin - Beach Access
>>Software <bchacc at san.rr.com> wrote:
>>    
>>
>>>Dear List:
>>>
>>>I have to call a guy tomorrow morning and tell him whether my software
>>>      
>>>
>will work in Access 2003.  I compile it into an MDE under Access 2000.  I
>know that MDE will run under Access 2002. Will the MDE run in 2003?
>  
>
>>>I also have Access 2002 which I could use to make an MDE.  Would an MDE
>>>      
>>>
>compiled under Access 2002 run under Access 2003?
>  
>
>>-- 
>>-Francisco
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>>
>>    
>>
>
>  
>

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Canada





From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Wed Sep  1 05:26:30 2004
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 11:26:30 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Prompt after Form loads
In-Reply-To: <b874372a040831153227ff271b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000501c4900e$25b38380$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25>

Francisco
I'd go with your OnTimer idea. I think all of the other obvious events will
fire before the form is fully displayed.

-- Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Francisco Tapia
> Sent: 31 August 2004 23:32
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Prompt after Form loads
> 
> 
> I have a form which autoloads data to some unbound controls.  
> I have a need to prompt the user if he wants to overwrite 
> some fields w/ defaults.  However since the "IF" is in the 
> form_load event it prompts before the form is fully loaded, 
> thus the user can't make an informed decision.
> 
> Any idea how to do this?  on timer, then disable it?
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Sep  1 05:34:56 2004
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 12:34:56 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Prompt after Form loads
In-Reply-To: <000501c4900e$25b38380$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25>
References: <000501c4900e$25b38380$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25>
Message-ID: <4314961823.20040901123456@cactus.dk>

Hi Andy and Francisco

I would suggest OnCurrent.
To prevent multiple prompts, set a static flag:

  Static booIsPrompted As Boolean

  If booIsPrompted = False Then
    ' Ask if you user wish to load data.
    <code>
    booIsPrompted = True
  End If

/gustav


> Francisco
> I'd go with your OnTimer idea. I think all of the other obvious events will
> fire before the form is fully displayed.

> -- Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 

>> I have a form which autoloads data to some unbound controls.
>> I have a need to prompt the user if he wants to overwrite 
>> some fields w/ defaults.  However since the "IF" is in the 
>> form_load event it prompts before the form is fully loaded, 
>> thus the user can't make an informed decision.



From Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org  Wed Sep  1 07:08:24 2004
From: Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 08:08:24 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Slightly OT: HTTPS question
Message-ID: <08F823FD83787D4BA0B99CA580AD3C74089B12@TTNEXCHCL2.hshhp.com>

Interesting.  How would I check this out?

Thanks,

Jim D.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
(AccessD)
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 2:45 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Slightly OT: HTTPS question


Hi Jim:

I do not know wether this is an issue with you but a client was having some
problems with their version of IE. It turned out to be a proxy issue and
nothing to do with the browser. Their proxy client was not properly setup or
was not installed.

HTH
Jim

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim DeMarco
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 10:32 AM
To: AccessD (E-mail)
Subject: [AccessD] Slightly OT: HTTPS question


List,

Does anyone know if IE 5xx has any issues with accessing https sites?  I'm
pretty sure I can get them on my home PC but I've got a laptop here at the
office that serves up "page not found" errors on two of our sites (one a web
app, the other a Citrix server).

Thanks,

Jim DeMarco
Director Application Development
Hudson Health Plan
Tarrytown, NY



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From cyx5 at cdc.gov  Wed Sep  1 07:18:57 2004
From: cyx5 at cdc.gov (Nicholson, Karen)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 08:18:57 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Get User Name
Message-ID: <A5B5AA20555F594BA7B6BD2048E49E43840646@m-niosh-5.niosh.cdc.gov>

It is great to be back on the list and working with Access again.  It
has been a while.  I am looking for the user defined function to grab
the network user name or id.  I have inherited an Access 2002/SQL 2000
back-end database run completely by macros with a pretty bad password
scenario.  This should keep me busy for a while.

Karen Nicholson
National Laboratory
Xerox Global Services




From bheid at appdevgrp.com  Wed Sep  1 07:33:40 2004
From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 08:33:40 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Get User Name
In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30962AAD@ADGSERVER>
Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA305BB7AD@ADGSERVER>

Hi Karen,

I use this (note that I did not write this):

Private Declare Function GetUserName Lib "advapi32.dll" Alias _
    "GetUserNameA" (ByVal lpBuffer As String, nSize As Long) As Long

' Returns the network login name or 'Admin' if api call fails
Public Function GetOSUserName() As String
Dim lngLen  	As Long
Dim lngX    	As Long
Dim strUserName 	As String

   On Error GoTo Proc_Err

   strUserName = String$(254, 0)
   lngLen = 255
   lngX = GetUserName(strUserName, lngLen)
   If lngX <> 0 Then
      GetOSUserName = Left$(strUserName, lngLen - 1)
      Else
         GetOSUserName = "ADMIN"
      End If
   
Proc_Exit:
   Exit Function
    
Proc_Err:
    MsgBox Err.Number & " - " & Err.Description, vbExclamation + vbOKOnly ,
"GetOSUserName"
   Resume Proc_Exit

End Function

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Nicholson, Karen
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 8:19 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Get User Name


It is great to be back on the list and working with Access again.  It has
been a while.  I am looking for the user defined function to grab the
network user name or id.  I have inherited an Access 2002/SQL 2000 back-end
database run completely by macros with a pretty bad password scenario.  This
should keep me busy for a while.

Karen Nicholson
National Laboratory
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Wed Sep  1 07:35:01 2004
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2004 22:35:01 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Get User Name
In-Reply-To: <A5B5AA20555F594BA7B6BD2048E49E43840646@m-niosh-5.niosh.cdc.gov>
Message-ID: <41364E95.3834.4E48C09@lexacorp.com.pg>

On 1 Sep 2004 at 8:18, Nicholson, Karen wrote:

> It is great to be back on the list and working with Access again.  It
> has been a while.  I am looking for the user defined function to grab
> the network user name or id.  I have inherited an Access 2002/SQL 2000
> back-end database run completely by macros with a pretty bad password
> scenario.  This should keep me busy for a while.
> 

Declare Function GetUserName Lib "advapi32.dll" Alias "GetUserNameA" (ByVal 
lpBuffer As String, nSize As Long) As Long

Function UserName() As String
	Dim strUName As String
	Dim lngResponse As Long
	UNAME = Space$(32)
	lngResponse = GetUserName(strUName, 32)
	strUName = Trim$(strUName)
	UserName = Left$(strUName, Len(strUName) - 1)  'strip Chr$(0) from end of 
name
End Function

-- 
Stuart




From carbonnb at gmail.com  Wed Sep  1 07:57:06 2004
From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 08:57:06 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Get User Name
In-Reply-To: <A5B5AA20555F594BA7B6BD2048E49E43840646@m-niosh-5.niosh.cdc.gov>
References: <A5B5AA20555F594BA7B6BD2048E49E43840646@m-niosh-5.niosh.cdc.gov>
Message-ID: <e04a6c9204090105577058ca8@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 08:18:57 -0400, Nicholson, Karen <cyx5 at cdc.gov> wrote:
> It is great to be back on the list and working with Access again.  It
> has been a while.  I am looking for the user defined function to grab
> the network user name or id.  I have inherited an Access 2002/SQL 2000
> back-end database run completely by macros with a pretty bad password
> scenario.  This should keep me busy for a while.

The functions that Bobby and Stuart posted are fine for a windows
network, but if you are on a Novell network this will get you the
NovellID

'*+ Module API declarations
  Private Declare Function NWCallsInit Lib "calwin32" _
    (reserved1 As Byte, reserved2 As Byte) As Long
  Private Declare Function NWDSCreateContextHandle Lib "netwin32" _
    (newHandle As Long) As Long
  Private Declare Function NWDSWhoAmI Lib "netwin32" _
    (ByVal context As Long, ByVal objectName As String) As Long
  Private Declare Function NWDSFreeContext Lib "netwin32" _
    (ByVal context As Long) As Long
'*- Module API declarations

Function fGetNovellUserName() As String
'--------------------------------------------------------------------------
'.Purpose      : To get Novell User Name
'.Author       : Bryan Carbonnell
'.Date         : 3-May-2002
'.Called by    : frmUser Form_Open Event
'.Calls        : NWCallsInit - API
'.               NWDSCreateContextHandle - API
'.               NWDSFreeContext - API
'.Revised      : 3-May-2002 - Original
'--------------------------------------------------------------------------

On Error GoTo fGetNovellUserName_Error

Dim lngContextCode   As Long
Dim lngContext As Long
Dim strMyName As String

' allocate space for user name
  On Error GoTo fGetNovellUserName_Error

strMyName = Space(255)

' initialize NetWare client
lngContextCode = NWCallsInit(0, 0)

If lngContextCode <> 0 Then
  'NW Client cannot be initialised, so we can't get the User Name
  fGetNovellUserName = "NWCallsInit() - Cannot initialize"
Else
  ' a context is req'd for all NDS functions
  lngContextCode = NWDSCreateContextHandle(lngContext)
  If lngContextCode = 0 Then
    'We have a valid Context, so we can do stuff
    ' now, get my name
    lngContextCode = NWDSWhoAmI(lngContext, strMyName)
    'Change to return username
    If lngContextCode = 0 Then
      strMyName = Left(strMyName, (InStr(strMyName, Chr(0)) - 1))
      strMyName = Mid(strMyName, 4)
      fGetNovellUserName = strMyName
    End If
    ' clean-up
    lngContextCode = NWDSFreeContext(lngContext)
  End If
End If

Exit_fGetNovellUserName:

  On Error GoTo 0
  Exit Function

'Error Handler
fGetNovellUserName_Error:

'Display Error Message
MsgBox "Error " & Err.Number & " (" & Err.Description & _
          ") in procedure " & .ProcedureName & " of " & .ModuleName
'Exit the procedure properly
Resume Exit_fGetNovellUserName
'For Debugging
Resume

End Function



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Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well
preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
shouting "What a great ride!"


From markamatte at hotmail.com  Wed Sep  1 08:29:40 2004
From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte)
Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2004 13:29:40 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Every 100th record
Message-ID: <BAY1-F398xZzBbBdR9y0005f5df@hotmail.com>

Arthur,

First...congrats on the new contract...second...for this contract...do the 
queries you are optimizing need to be real time... or can they be on data 
prior to today(or what is the acceptable lag time)?

Just curious...

Thanks,

Mark


>From: "Arthur Fuller" <artful at rogers.com>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving'"<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Every 100th record
>Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 19:32:55 -0400
>
>Just to put things in perspective, JC, the first client of the people
>who developed MySQL had 60M rows in their principal table. There are
>lots of apps way bigger than that. I once had a client that was adding
>10M rows per month to the table of concern (this was an app recording
>seismic activity from several hundred meters). I must caution you that
>you should not use the term VLDB as loosely as you have been using it.
>You don't know the meaning of VLDB -- not yet at least. You're beginning
>to appreciate the turf, however. Once I bid on a project that had 100M
>rows each containing a graphic file. Not to say that size is everything,
>but IMO VLDB comprises at least a TB, and often many hundreds of TBs.
>
>I just got a contract with a company using MySQL whose test database's
>most important table comprises 100M rows. They expect their clients to
>have 10* as many rows. My job is to optimize the queries. Fortunately, I
>can assume any hardware I deem necessary to do it. They are after
>sub-second retrieves against 1B rows, with maybe 1000 users. Life's a
>beach and then you drown. I don't know if I can deliver what they want,
>but what I can deliver is benchmarks against the various DBs that I'm
>comfortable with -- SQL 2000, Oracle, MySQL and DB/2. I figure that if
>none of them can do it, I'm off the hook :)
>
>The difficult part of this new assignment is that there's no way I can
>duplicate the hardware resources required to emulate the required
>system, so I have to assume that the benchmarks on my local system will
>hold up in a load-leveling 100-server environment -- at least until I
>have something worthy of installing and then test it in that
>environment.
>
>I sympathize and empathize with your situation, JC. It's amazing how
>many of our tried-and-true solutions go right out the window when you
>escalate the number of rows to 100M -- and then factor in multiple
>joins. Stuff that looks spectacular with only 1M rows suddenly sucks
>big-time when applied to 100M rows.
>
>Arthur
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby
>Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 7:13 AM
>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Every 100th record
>
>
>Paul,
>
>In fact I am trying to make this run on my home system which is part of
>the problem.  This week I am playing "stay-at-home dad" as my wife
>starts the chhool year this week and has all those 1st week teacher
>meetings / training.
>
>I have never come even close to a db this size and it has definitely
>been a learning experience.  Here's hoping I survive.
>
>John W. Colby
>www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Paul Rodgers
>Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 3:49 AM
>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Every 100th record
>
>
>65 million! What an amazing world you work it. Is there ever time in the
>week to pop home for an hour?
>Cheers paul
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
>Sent: 27 August 2004 16:39
>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Every 100th record
>
>
>Gustav,
>
>I am working on a SQL Server database of about 65 million records.  We
>need to pull a subset of those for doing counts of data in specific
>fields. Trying to do that analysis on the entire 65 million records just
>won't work at least in anything close to realtime.  Thus we literally
>want to pull every Nth record.  If we pulled every 100th record into a
>table that would give a sampling of 650K records to run this analysis
>on.  That still won't be lightning fast but at least doable.
>
>John W. Colby
>www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
>Sent: Friday, August 27, 2004 11:22 AM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Every 100th record
>
>
>Hi John
>
>
> > Does anyone have a strategy for pulling every Nth record?  My client
> > wants to pull every 100th record into a dataset for analysis, to speed
>
> > things up I am guessing.
>
>To speed up what? Analysis on a sample only and not on the full set?
>
>If so, you could select by "Random Between 1 To 100" = 1.
>
>/gustav
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Sep  1 08:52:11 2004
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 15:52:11 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Time zones (was: internationalization)
In-Reply-To: <11525103216.20040714155748@cactus.dk>
References: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8017A1F98@main2.marlow.com>
	<32007103843568110723d0567@global.net.pg>
	<11525103216.20040714155748@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <19626796821.20040901155211@cactus.dk>

Hi all

I just saw that Helen has published the part two of this horror code
and checked if anything had been changed - but no.

Just in case you should be involved in time zones, I will just say:
look everywhere else. 

But how do you US people deal with time zones? In Europe we seldom do
(the countries are too small) but you have to shift between Pacific
and Mountain etc. all day, except for local compannies, of course.

/gustav


> Hi all

> This topic popped up in all its glory in the recent issue of "Woody's
> Access Watch" where Helen Feddema is goofing around trying to parse
> date/time strings to figure out time zones. Of course, this dirty
> deroute is paved with traps so it doesn't work outside the US where
> other regional settings are used.

> Just in case anyone should have a need for dealing with time zones,
> here are a couple of functions we use. You'll quickly notice that
> essentially it is nothing more than a little clean up and one single
> line of code:

>   datRemote = DateAdd("n", lngBias, datLocal)

> If you have nothing to do Friday you may wish to browse Helen's demo:

>   ftp://ftp.helenfeddema.com/pub/accarch121.zip
  

> <code>

> Public Function TimeZoneBiasDiff( _
>   ByVal lngLocalTimeBias As Long, _
>   ByVal lngRemoteTimeBias As Long) _
>   As Long
  
> ' Calculates the difference in minutes between two time zones,
> ' typically the local time zone and a remote time zone.
> ' Both time zones must be expressed by their bias relative to
> ' UTC (Coordinated Universal Time) which is measured in minutes.
> '
> ' 2000-05-30. Cactus Data ApS, CPH.

>   ' Minimum amount of minutes for a time zone bias.
>   Const clngTimeZoneBiasMin As Long = 15

>   Dim lngTimeZoneBiasDiff As Long
  
>   ' Round off time zone bias by minimum time zone difference.
>   lngLocalTimeBias = lngLocalTimeBias \ clngTimeZoneBiasMin
>   lngLocalTimeBias = lngLocalTimeBias * clngTimeZoneBiasMin
>   lngRemoteTimeBias = lngRemoteTimeBias \ clngTimeZoneBiasMin
>   lngRemoteTimeBias = lngRemoteTimeBias * clngTimeZoneBiasMin
  
>   ' Calculate difference in time zone bias.
>   lngTimeZoneBiasDiff = lngRemoteTimeBias - lngLocalTimeBias
  
>   TimeZoneBiasDiff = lngTimeZoneBiasDiff

> End Function

> Public Function DateAddTimeZoneDiff( _
>   ByVal datLocal As Date, _
>   ByVal lngLocalBias, _
>   ByVal lngRemoteBias) _
>   As Date
  
> ' Calculates the date/time of datLocal in a remote time zone.
> ' The difference in minutes will be the difference between the
> ' local time zone bias and the remote time zone bias where the
> ' bias are relative to UTC.
> '
> ' Examples:
> '
> '   datRemote = DateAddTimeZoneDiff(Now(), 60, -600)
> ' will return datRemote as eleven hours behind local time.
> '
> '   datRemote = DateAddTimeZoneDiff(Now(), -600, 60)
> ' will return datRemote as eleven hours ahead of local time.
> '
> ' 2000-05-30. Cactus Data ApS, CPH.

>   Dim datRemote As Date
>   Dim lngBias   As Long
  
>   ' Get difference (in minutes) in time zone bias.
>   lngBias = TimeZoneBiasDiff(lngLocalBias, lngRemoteBias)
>   ' Calculate remote date/time.
>   datRemote = DateAdd("n", lngBias, datLocal)
  
>   DateAddTimeZoneDiff = datRemote
  
> End Function

> </code>

> Also, note "GMT" has been considered obsolete for years and has for
> every serious use been replaced with UTC.

> /gustav


>> On 27 Nov 2002 at 15:45, Gustav Brock wrote:

>>> Hi Drew
>>> 
>>> > Thanks.  Next version I'll incorporate that.
>>> 
>>> OK.
>>> 
>>> > Time zones are pretty easy.  In fact, all of this date stuff is too.  The
>>> > only real monster is Arizona, which decreed to ignore daylight savings time.
>>> 
>>> So how DO you deal with the time zones?
>>> 
>>> I have seen no options in Access for this contrary to Oracle which can
>>> record date/time including the time zone.
>>> 
>>> My thought was to use a byte field with a shifted value similar to how
>>> MySQL can store a year value in a byte field ...
>>> 

>> You could get the Bias member of the Time_Zone_Information structure 
>> retrieved with the GetTimeZoneInformation API function and either 
>> apply it to the time in question or store it in another field as a 
>> long (or integer if space is critical)
>>
>> Stuart



From kaupca at chevrontexaco.com  Wed Sep  1 09:10:40 2004
From: kaupca at chevrontexaco.com (Kaup, Chester A)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 09:10:40 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Subform problem with detail section
Message-ID: <1375769556091B4DAABC159F944CA1BB0B046A@bocnte2k4.boc.chevrontexaco.net>

I have a subform on a main form. If I set the recordset type property to
snapshot I can see the records from the record source table but cannot
add records. If I set the recordset type to dynaset the detail section
of the subreport disappears. I believe dynaset will allow records to be
added but an invisible detail section is of no help. What do I have set
wrong? Thanks

Chester Kaup
Information Management Technician
IT-MidContinent/MidContinent Business Unit
CTN 8-687-7415  
Outside 432-687-7414

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From cyx5 at cdc.gov  Wed Sep  1 09:18:23 2004
From: cyx5 at cdc.gov (Nicholson, Karen)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 10:18:23 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Order By in Subform
Message-ID: <A5B5AA20555F594BA7B6BD2048E49E4384064D@m-niosh-5.niosh.cdc.gov>

Syntax, syntax.  The prior programmer used a pound sign in the subform
name.  I am trying to place on 'on click' event procedure to sort the
subform by the task number field.  I am getting a syntax error with this
code:

Me.[frmSortTask#].Form.OrderBy = "TaskNumber"
Me.[frmSortTask#].Form.OrderByOn = True

Any ideas?

Karen Nicholson
National Laboratory
Xerox Global Services




From bchacc at san.rr.com  Wed Sep  1 09:55:46 2004
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 07:55:46 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Order By in Subform
References: <A5B5AA20555F594BA7B6BD2048E49E4384064D@m-niosh-5.niosh.cdc.gov>
Message-ID: <010401c49033$c34e7fd0$6601a8c0@HAL9002>

Karen:

I think doing a global replace on the name would be the quickest way.  Do
you have Find and Replace, Speed Ferret or some other third party add-in?  I
use Find and Replace and that would change all the references even in the
object names.

HTH

Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
http://www.e-z-mrp.com


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Nicholson, Karen" <cyx5 at cdc.gov>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 7:18 AM
Subject: [AccessD] Order By in Subform


Syntax, syntax.  The prior programmer used a pound sign in the subform
name.  I am trying to place on 'on click' event procedure to sort the
subform by the task number field.  I am getting a syntax error with this
code:

Me.[frmSortTask#].Form.OrderBy = "TaskNumber"
Me.[frmSortTask#].Form.OrderByOn = True

Any ideas?

Karen Nicholson
National Laboratory
Xerox Global Services


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From cyx5 at cdc.gov  Wed Sep  1 10:03:48 2004
From: cyx5 at cdc.gov (Nicholson, Karen)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 11:03:48 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Order By in Subform
Message-ID: <A5B5AA20555F594BA7B6BD2048E49E4384064E@m-niosh-5.niosh.cdc.gov>

Got it.  Overthinking, I suppose.  This works:

Me.OrderBy = "tasknumber"
Me.OrderByOn = True

Any objections?

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Nicholson,
Karen
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 10:18 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Order By in Subform


Syntax, syntax.  The prior programmer used a pound sign in the subform
name.  I am trying to place on 'on click' event procedure to sort the
subform by the task number field.  I am getting a syntax error with this
code:

Me.[frmSortTask#].Form.OrderBy = "TaskNumber"
Me.[frmSortTask#].Form.OrderByOn = True

Any ideas?

Karen Nicholson
National Laboratory
Xerox Global Services


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From fhtapia at gmail.com  Wed Sep  1 10:35:54 2004
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 08:35:54 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Prompt after Form loads
In-Reply-To: <4314961823.20040901123456@cactus.dk>
References: <000501c4900e$25b38380$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25>
	<4314961823.20040901123456@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <b874372a040901083563fbbfa8@mail.gmail.com>

I will try this option Gustav, thanks :D. 

btw, Rocky... What I meant by autoload was that in the Form_Load event
I have code that loads data to the form. because it was in the
form_load event, the prompt was occuring before the user had a chance
to see the form.

On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 12:34:56 +0200, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
> Hi Andy and Francisco
> 
> I would suggest OnCurrent.
> To prevent multiple prompts, set a static flag:
> 
>   Static booIsPrompted As Boolean
> 
>   If booIsPrompted = False Then
>     ' Ask if you user wish to load data.
>     <code>
>     booIsPrompted = True
>   End If

-- 
-Francisco


From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed Sep  1 10:36:42 2004
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 08:36:42 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Time zones (was: internationalization)
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312A0B@infoserver01.infostat.local>

We don't generally deal with it except in our heads.  I've never had to
address it in an application, although probably I would use an offset to
UTC as well.

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 6:52 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Time zones (was: internationalization)


Hi all

I just saw that Helen has published the part two of this horror code and
checked if anything had been changed - but no.

Just in case you should be involved in time zones, I will just say: look
everywhere else. 

But how do you US people deal with time zones? In Europe we seldom do
(the countries are too small) but you have to shift between Pacific and
Mountain etc. all day, except for local compannies, of course.

/gustav


> Hi all

> This topic popped up in all its glory in the recent issue of "Woody's 
> Access Watch" where Helen Feddema is goofing around trying to parse 
> date/time strings to figure out time zones. Of course, this dirty 
> deroute is paved with traps so it doesn't work outside the US where 
> other regional settings are used.

> Just in case anyone should have a need for dealing with time zones, 
> here are a couple of functions we use. You'll quickly notice that 
> essentially it is nothing more than a little clean up and one single 
> line of code:

>   datRemote = DateAdd("n", lngBias, datLocal)

> If you have nothing to do Friday you may wish to browse Helen's demo:

>   ftp://ftp.helenfeddema.com/pub/accarch121.zip
  

> <code>

> Public Function TimeZoneBiasDiff( _
>   ByVal lngLocalTimeBias As Long, _
>   ByVal lngRemoteTimeBias As Long) _
>   As Long
  
> ' Calculates the difference in minutes between two time zones, ' 
> typically the local time zone and a remote time zone. ' Both time 
> zones must be expressed by their bias relative to ' UTC (Coordinated 
> Universal Time) which is measured in minutes. '
> ' 2000-05-30. Cactus Data ApS, CPH.

>   ' Minimum amount of minutes for a time zone bias.
>   Const clngTimeZoneBiasMin As Long = 15

>   Dim lngTimeZoneBiasDiff As Long
  
>   ' Round off time zone bias by minimum time zone difference.
>   lngLocalTimeBias = lngLocalTimeBias \ clngTimeZoneBiasMin
>   lngLocalTimeBias = lngLocalTimeBias * clngTimeZoneBiasMin
>   lngRemoteTimeBias = lngRemoteTimeBias \ clngTimeZoneBiasMin
>   lngRemoteTimeBias = lngRemoteTimeBias * clngTimeZoneBiasMin
  
>   ' Calculate difference in time zone bias.
>   lngTimeZoneBiasDiff = lngRemoteTimeBias - lngLocalTimeBias
  
>   TimeZoneBiasDiff = lngTimeZoneBiasDiff

> End Function

> Public Function DateAddTimeZoneDiff( _
>   ByVal datLocal As Date, _
>   ByVal lngLocalBias, _
>   ByVal lngRemoteBias) _
>   As Date
  
> ' Calculates the date/time of datLocal in a remote time zone. ' The 
> difference in minutes will be the difference between the ' local time 
> zone bias and the remote time zone bias where the ' bias are relative 
> to UTC. '
> ' Examples:
> '
> '   datRemote = DateAddTimeZoneDiff(Now(), 60, -600)
> ' will return datRemote as eleven hours behind local time.
> '
> '   datRemote = DateAddTimeZoneDiff(Now(), -600, 60)
> ' will return datRemote as eleven hours ahead of local time.
> '
> ' 2000-05-30. Cactus Data ApS, CPH.

>   Dim datRemote As Date
>   Dim lngBias   As Long
  
>   ' Get difference (in minutes) in time zone bias.
>   lngBias = TimeZoneBiasDiff(lngLocalBias, lngRemoteBias)
>   ' Calculate remote date/time.
>   datRemote = DateAdd("n", lngBias, datLocal)
  
>   DateAddTimeZoneDiff = datRemote
  
> End Function

> </code>

> Also, note "GMT" has been considered obsolete for years and has for 
> every serious use been replaced with UTC.

> /gustav


>> On 27 Nov 2002 at 15:45, Gustav Brock wrote:

>>> Hi Drew
>>> 
>>> > Thanks.  Next version I'll incorporate that.
>>> 
>>> OK.
>>> 
>>> > Time zones are pretty easy.  In fact, all of this date stuff is 
>>> > too.  The only real monster is Arizona, which decreed to ignore 
>>> > daylight savings time.
>>> 
>>> So how DO you deal with the time zones?
>>> 
>>> I have seen no options in Access for this contrary to Oracle which 
>>> can record date/time including the time zone.
>>> 
>>> My thought was to use a byte field with a shifted value similar to 
>>> how MySQL can store a year value in a byte field ...
>>> 

>> You could get the Bias member of the Time_Zone_Information structure
>> retrieved with the GetTimeZoneInformation API function and either 
>> apply it to the time in question or store it in another field as a 
>> long (or integer if space is critical)
>>
>> Stuart

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From fhtapia at gmail.com  Wed Sep  1 10:41:20 2004
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 08:41:20 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Prompt after Form loads
In-Reply-To: <b874372a040901083563fbbfa8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <000501c4900e$25b38380$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25>
	<4314961823.20040901123456@cactus.dk>
	<b874372a040901083563fbbfa8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b874372a04090108414048fe37@mail.gmail.com>

Just tried it and the OnCurrent event also fires before the form is
loaded :(, gonna try the OnTimmer...

On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 08:35:54 -0700, Francisco Tapia <fhtapia at gmail.com> wrote:
> I will try this option Gustav, thanks :D.
> 
> btw, Rocky... What I meant by autoload was that in the Form_Load event
> I have code that loads data to the form. because it was in the
> form_load event, the prompt was occuring before the user had a chance
> to see the form.
> 
> On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 12:34:56 +0200, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
> > Hi Andy and Francisco
> >
> > I would suggest OnCurrent.
> > To prevent multiple prompts, set a static flag:
> >
> >   Static booIsPrompted As Boolean
> >
> >   If booIsPrompted = False Then
> >     ' Ask if you user wish to load data.
> >     <code>
> >     booIsPrompted = True
> >   End If
> 
> --
> -Francisco
> 


-- 
-Francisco


From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Sep  1 10:54:01 2004
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 17:54:01 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Time zones (was: internationalization)
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312A0B@infoserver01.infostat.local>
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312A0B@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <10834106562.20040901175401@cactus.dk>

Hi Charlotte

Really? But "nation wide" corporations exist - and the dates of
Honolulu and Miami can be a date apart for many hours?

/gustav


> We don't generally deal with it except in our heads.  I've never had to
> address it in an application, although probably I would use an offset to
> UTC as well.



From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Sep  1 10:56:04 2004
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 17:56:04 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Prompt after Form loads
In-Reply-To: <b874372a04090108414048fe37@mail.gmail.com>
References: <000501c4900e$25b38380$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25>
	<4314961823.20040901123456@cactus.dk>
	<b874372a040901083563fbbfa8@mail.gmail.com>
	<b874372a04090108414048fe37@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9234229188.20040901175604@cactus.dk>

Hi Francisco

Yes, that's right ...
But replace the Boolean with a counter: one, two ...

/gustav


> Just tried it and the OnCurrent event also fires before the form is
> loaded :(, gonna try the OnTimmer...

> On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 08:35:54 -0700, Francisco Tapia <fhtapia at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I will try this option Gustav, thanks :D.
>> 
>> btw, Rocky... What I meant by autoload was that in the Form_Load event
>> I have code that loads data to the form. because it was in the
>> form_load event, the prompt was occuring before the user had a chance
>> to see the form.
>> 
>> On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 12:34:56 +0200, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
>> > Hi Andy and Francisco
>> >
>> > I would suggest OnCurrent.
>> > To prevent multiple prompts, set a static flag:
>> >
>> >   Static booIsPrompted As Boolean
>> >
>> >   If booIsPrompted = False Then
>> >     ' Ask if you user wish to load data.
>> >     <code>
>> >     booIsPrompted = True
>> >   End If



From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed Sep  1 11:11:44 2004
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 09:11:44 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Time zones (was: internationalization)
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312A0C@infoserver01.infostat.local>

World wide corporations exist too.  We generally look at the clock to
see whether we can reach one of our clients in the North Sea or Yemen or
Canada or South America.  What are you envisioning?  In our business,
the relative times aren't relevant, only the local time is important, so
we don't have to worry about it.

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 8:54 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Time zones (was: internationalization)


Hi Charlotte

Really? But "nation wide" corporations exist - and the dates of Honolulu
and Miami can be a date apart for many hours?

/gustav


> We don't generally deal with it except in our heads.  I've never had 
> to address it in an application, although probably I would use an 
> offset to UTC as well.

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From fhtapia at gmail.com  Wed Sep  1 11:28:51 2004
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 09:28:51 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Prompt after Form loads
In-Reply-To: <b874372a04090108414048fe37@mail.gmail.com>
References: <000501c4900e$25b38380$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25>
	<4314961823.20040901123456@cactus.dk>
	<b874372a040901083563fbbfa8@mail.gmail.com>
	<b874372a04090108414048fe37@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b874372a040901092877447d30@mail.gmail.com>

On Timmer w/ a static variable is what I ended up using (plus after it
fires I shoot the timer interval to 2hrs (more than enough time)  so
it hopefully won't fire again until after their session is done.

On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 08:41:20 -0700, Francisco Tapia <fhtapia at gmail.com> wrote:
> Just tried it and the OnCurrent event also fires before the form is
> loaded :(, gonna try the OnTimmer...
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 08:35:54 -0700, Francisco Tapia <fhtapia at gmail.com> wrote:
> > I will try this option Gustav, thanks :D.
> >
> > btw, Rocky... What I meant by autoload was that in the Form_Load event
> > I have code that loads data to the form. because it was in the
> > form_load event, the prompt was occuring before the user had a chance
> > to see the form.
> >
> > On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 12:34:56 +0200, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
> > > Hi Andy and Francisco
> > >
> > > I would suggest OnCurrent.
> > > To prevent multiple prompts, set a static flag:
> > >
> > >   Static booIsPrompted As Boolean
> > >
> > >   If booIsPrompted = False Then
> > >     ' Ask if you user wish to load data.
> > >     <code>
> > >     booIsPrompted = True
> > >   End If
> >
> > --
> > -Francisco
> >
> 
> 
> --
> -Francisco
> 


-- 
-Francisco


From fhtapia at gmail.com  Wed Sep  1 11:32:23 2004
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 09:32:23 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Time zones (was: internationalization)
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312A0C@infoserver01.infostat.local>
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312A0C@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <b874372a040901093229ec7fa4@mail.gmail.com>

Here is an issue that I never quite took into consideration:  In a
(now in production) database all times are stored as UTC, however to
display I AM using an Offset of the local time, however if i were to
query an "OLDER" timeframe that was outside the scope of the daylights
savigns, then my math would be incorrect right?

How would you manage that?  would it be wise to wrap the date inside a
function that could distinguish the daylights savings w/ non for the
local area?  This way the dates not shift between daylights and
non-daylights savings schedules.



On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 09:11:44 -0700, Charlotte Foust
<cfoust at infostatsystems.com> wrote:
> World wide corporations exist too.  We generally look at the clock to
> see whether we can reach one of our clients in the North Sea or Yemen or
> Canada or South America.  What are you envisioning?  In our business,
> the relative times aren't relevant, only the local time is important, so
> we don't have to worry about it.
> 
> Charlotte Foust
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 8:54 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Time zones (was: internationalization)
> 
> Hi Charlotte
> 
> Really? But "nation wide" corporations exist - and the dates of Honolulu
> and Miami can be a date apart for many hours?
> 
> /gustav
> 
> > We don't generally deal with it except in our heads.  I've never had
> > to address it in an application, although probably I would use an
> > offset to UTC as well.
> 
> --
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> 


-- 
-Francisco


From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Sep  1 11:48:39 2004
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 18:48:39 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Time zones (was: internationalization)
In-Reply-To: <b874372a040901093229ec7fa4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312A0C@infoserver01.infostat.local>
	<b874372a040901093229ec7fa4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2337384085.20040901184839@cactus.dk>

Hi Francisco

Well, to Charlotte this seems to be no problem, but it was
considerations as those you describe I was thinking of.

So far my thoughts would be to store date/time as UTC time, then do
the conversion (shift) later to whatever time zone you may need.
But what is your question really? Daylight savings is just another
twist to time zone issues. And remember, some time zones are offset by
30 or even 15 minutes only.

Did you see my code previously posted (2004-07-14)?

/gustav


> Here is an issue that I never quite took into consideration:  In a
> (now in production) database all times are stored as UTC, however to
> display I AM using an Offset of the local time, however if i were to
> query an "OLDER" timeframe that was outside the scope of the daylights
> savigns, then my math would be incorrect right?

> How would you manage that?  would it be wise to wrap the date inside a
> function that could distinguish the daylights savings w/ non for the
> local area?  This way the dates not shift between daylights and
> non-daylights savings schedules.



> On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 09:11:44 -0700, Charlotte Foust
> <cfoust at infostatsystems.com> wrote:
>> World wide corporations exist too.  We generally look at the clock to
>> see whether we can reach one of our clients in the North Sea or Yemen or
>> Canada or South America.  What are you envisioning?  In our business,
>> the relative times aren't relevant, only the local time is important, so
>> we don't have to worry about it.
>> 
>> Charlotte Foust
>> 
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk]
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 8:54 AM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Time zones (was: internationalization)
>> 
>> Hi Charlotte
>> 
>> Really? But "nation wide" corporations exist - and the dates of Honolulu
>> and Miami can be a date apart for many hours?
>> 
>> /gustav
>> 
>> > We don't generally deal with it except in our heads.  I've never had
>> > to address it in an application, although probably I would use an
>> > offset to UTC as well.



From fhtapia at gmail.com  Wed Sep  1 11:56:49 2004
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 09:56:49 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Prompt after Form loads
In-Reply-To: <9234229188.20040901175604@cactus.dk>
References: <000501c4900e$25b38380$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25>
	<4314961823.20040901123456@cactus.dk>
	<b874372a040901083563fbbfa8@mail.gmail.com>
	<b874372a04090108414048fe37@mail.gmail.com>
	<9234229188.20040901175604@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <b874372a04090109563e5029f2@mail.gmail.com>

Why a counter?

On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 17:56:04 +0200, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
> Hi Francisco
> 
> Yes, that's right ...
> But replace the Boolean with a counter: one, two ...
> 
 -- 
-Francisco


From fhtapia at gmail.com  Wed Sep  1 12:08:26 2004
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 10:08:26 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Subform problem with detail section
In-Reply-To: <1375769556091B4DAABC159F944CA1BB0B046A@bocnte2k4.boc.chevrontexaco.net>
References: <1375769556091B4DAABC159F944CA1BB0B046A@bocnte2k4.boc.chevrontexaco.net>
Message-ID: <b874372a04090110085bc08a4@mail.gmail.com>

Sounds like you enabled the subform for dataentry, which Will NOT show
your records, only new records can be added when in this mode.  This
mode is useful for adding new records but not if you're trying to
edit/add for that I suggest you visit your form properties under the
data tab, disable data entry.

On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 09:10:40 -0500, Kaup, Chester A
<kaupca at chevrontexaco.com> wrote:
> I have a subform on a main form. If I set the recordset type property to
> snapshot I can see the records from the record source table but cannot
> add records. If I set the recordset type to dynaset the detail section
> of the subreport disappears. I believe dynaset will allow records to be
> added but an invisible detail section is of no help. What do I have set
> wrong? Thanks



-- 
-Francisco


From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Sep  1 12:11:43 2004
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 19:11:43 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Prompt after Form loads
In-Reply-To: <b874372a04090109563e5029f2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <000501c4900e$25b38380$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25>
	<4314961823.20040901123456@cactus.dk>
	<b874372a040901083563fbbfa8@mail.gmail.com>
	<b874372a04090108414048fe37@mail.gmail.com>
	<9234229188.20040901175604@cactus.dk>
	<b874372a04090109563e5029f2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <15538768786.20040901191143@cactus.dk>

Hi Francisco

> Why a counter?

Form loads => 1
Form hits current first time => 2

So:

  If lngCounter = 2 then
    <your code>
  End If
  lngCounter = lngCounter + 1

/gustav

>> But replace the Boolean with a counter: one, two ...



From CMackin at Quiznos.com  Wed Sep  1 12:25:15 2004
From: CMackin at Quiznos.com (Mackin, Christopher)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 11:25:15 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Prompt after Form loads
Message-ID: <EBEA2FA1665EDA40A600D92C87B9B4CE020C14@snowmass.quiznos.net>

Why not set the timerinterval to zero so it's guaranteed to not fire again?

-Chris Mackin

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Francisco
Tapia
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 10:29 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Prompt after Form loads


On Timmer w/ a static variable is what I ended up using (plus after it
fires I shoot the timer interval to 2hrs (more than enough time)  so
it hopefully won't fire again until after their session is done.

On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 08:41:20 -0700, Francisco Tapia <fhtapia at gmail.com> wrote:
> Just tried it and the OnCurrent event also fires before the form is
> loaded :(, gonna try the OnTimmer...
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 08:35:54 -0700, Francisco Tapia <fhtapia at gmail.com> wrote:
> > I will try this option Gustav, thanks :D.
> >
> > btw, Rocky... What I meant by autoload was that in the Form_Load event
> > I have code that loads data to the form. because it was in the
> > form_load event, the prompt was occuring before the user had a chance
> > to see the form.
> >
> > On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 12:34:56 +0200, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
> > > Hi Andy and Francisco
> > >
> > > I would suggest OnCurrent.
> > > To prevent multiple prompts, set a static flag:
> > >
> > >   Static booIsPrompted As Boolean
> > >
> > >   If booIsPrompted = False Then
> > >     ' Ask if you user wish to load data.
> > >     <code>
> > >     booIsPrompted = True
> > >   End If
> >
> > --
> > -Francisco
> >
> 
> 
> --
> -Francisco
> 


-- 
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From kaupca at chevrontexaco.com  Wed Sep  1 12:33:30 2004
From: kaupca at chevrontexaco.com (Kaup, Chester A)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 12:33:30 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Subform problem with detail section
Message-ID: <1375769556091B4DAABC159F944CA1BB07A193@bocnte2k4.boc.chevrontexaco.net>

Guess I did not make it clear. I only want to be able to add new records
not see the existing records. The problem is that none of the list boxes
or text boxes in the detail section show up to enter data into.

Chester Kaup
Information Management Technician
IT-MidContinent/MidContinent Business Unit
CTN 8-687-7415  
Outside 432-687-7414

No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However a large
number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. 




-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Francisco
Tapia
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 12:08 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Subform problem with detail section


Sounds like you enabled the subform for dataentry, which Will NOT show
your records, only new records can be added when in this mode.  This
mode is useful for adding new records but not if you're trying to
edit/add for that I suggest you visit your form properties under the
data tab, disable data entry.

On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 09:10:40 -0500, Kaup, Chester A
<kaupca at chevrontexaco.com> wrote:
> I have a subform on a main form. If I set the recordset type property 
> to snapshot I can see the records from the record source table but 
> cannot add records. If I set the recordset type to dynaset the detail 
> section of the subreport disappears. I believe dynaset will allow 
> records to be added but an invisible detail section is of no help. 
> What do I have set wrong? Thanks



-- 
-Francisco
-- 
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Sep  1 12:34:03 2004
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 19:34:03 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Prompt after Form loads
In-Reply-To: <15538768786.20040901191143@cactus.dk>
References: <000501c4900e$25b38380$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25>
	<4314961823.20040901123456@cactus.dk>
	<b874372a040901083563fbbfa8@mail.gmail.com>
	<b874372a04090108414048fe37@mail.gmail.com>
	<9234229188.20040901175604@cactus.dk>
	<b874372a04090109563e5029f2@mail.gmail.com>
	<15538768786.20040901191143@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <1640108342.20040901193403@cactus.dk>

Hi Francisco

Sorry, should of course be:

  If lngCounter = 1 then
    <your code>
  End If
  lngCounter = lngCounter + 1

or

  lngCounter = lngCounter + 1
  If lngCounter = 2 then
    <your code>
  End If

/gustav


>> Why a counter?

> Form loads => 1
> Form hits current first time => 2

> So:

>   If lngCounter = 2 then
>     <your code>
>   End If
>   lngCounter = lngCounter + 1

> /gustav

>>> But replace the Boolean with a counter: one, two ...



From fhtapia at gmail.com  Wed Sep  1 12:39:01 2004
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 10:39:01 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Time zones (was: internationalization)
In-Reply-To: <2337384085.20040901184839@cactus.dk>
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312A0C@infoserver01.infostat.local>
	<b874372a040901093229ec7fa4@mail.gmail.com>
	<2337384085.20040901184839@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <b874372a04090110397de1be32@mail.gmail.com>

No, but after a quick archive search I found it, thanks :D 
thanks Gustav, so to be clear, if I have a record from daylights
savings time, and I query it in NON-Daylights saving time, this code
will keep the record at it's accurate time, meaning

if It was processed in the summer  (GMT-8) at 4pm, and I query the
record in the Winter will the record show up processed at 4pm or 3pm?,
the UTC time stored in the db doesn't change, but when they query it,
will.

Thanks,


On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 18:48:39 +0200, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
> Hi Francisco
> 
> Well, to Charlotte this seems to be no problem, but it was
> considerations as those you describe I was thinking of.
> 
> So far my thoughts would be to store date/time as UTC time, then do
> the conversion (shift) later to whatever time zone you may need.
> But what is your question really? Daylight savings is just another
> twist to time zone issues. And remember, some time zones are offset by
> 30 or even 15 minutes only.
> 
> Did you see my code previously posted (2004-07-14)?
> 

-- 
-Francisco


From fhtapia at gmail.com  Wed Sep  1 12:41:17 2004
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 10:41:17 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Prompt after Form loads
In-Reply-To: <EBEA2FA1665EDA40A600D92C87B9B4CE020C14@snowmass.quiznos.net>
References: <EBEA2FA1665EDA40A600D92C87B9B4CE020C14@snowmass.quiznos.net>
Message-ID: <b874372a040901104119cd720b@mail.gmail.com>

AH! :D, thanks

On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 11:25:15 -0600, Mackin, Christopher
<cmackin at quiznos.com> wrote:
> Why not set the timerinterval to zero so it's guaranteed to not fire again?
> 
> -Chris Mackin
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Francisco
> Tapia
> Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 10:29 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Prompt after Form loads
> 
> On Timmer w/ a static variable is what I ended up using (plus after it
> fires I shoot the timer interval to 2hrs (more than enough time)  so
> it hopefully won't fire again until after their session is done.
> 
> On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 08:41:20 -0700, Francisco Tapia <fhtapia at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Just tried it and the OnCurrent event also fires before the form is
> > loaded :(, gonna try the OnTimmer...


-- 
-Francisco


From fhtapia at gmail.com  Wed Sep  1 12:45:49 2004
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 10:45:49 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Prompt after Form loads
In-Reply-To: <15538768786.20040901191143@cactus.dk>
References: <000501c4900e$25b38380$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25>
	<4314961823.20040901123456@cactus.dk>
	<b874372a040901083563fbbfa8@mail.gmail.com>
	<b874372a04090108414048fe37@mail.gmail.com>
	<9234229188.20040901175604@cactus.dk>
	<b874372a04090109563e5029f2@mail.gmail.com>
	<15538768786.20040901191143@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <b874372a04090110454bb34871@mail.gmail.com>

just the same I did it as a boolean static

so 
Static blnINIT As Boolean
IF blnINIT = FALSE then
   <code>
    blnINIT = TRUE
Endif

On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 19:11:43 +0200, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
> Hi Francisco
> 
> > Why a counter?
> 
> Form loads => 1
> Form hits current first time => 2
> 
> So:
> 
>   If lngCounter = 2 then
>     <your code>
>   End If
>   lngCounter = lngCounter + 1
> 
> /gustav
> 
> >> But replace the Boolean with a counter: one, two ...
> 
> 
> 
> --
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 


-- 
-Francisco


From fhtapia at gmail.com  Wed Sep  1 12:48:17 2004
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 10:48:17 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Subform problem with detail section
In-Reply-To: <1375769556091B4DAABC159F944CA1BB07A193@bocnte2k4.boc.chevrontexaco.net>
References: <1375769556091B4DAABC159F944CA1BB07A193@bocnte2k4.boc.chevrontexaco.net>
Message-ID: <b874372a0409011048793978aa@mail.gmail.com>

So then, is the Data Entry option enabled?, is the table you're adding
records to you have a Primary Key ID?

On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 12:33:30 -0500, Kaup, Chester A
<kaupca at chevrontexaco.com> wrote:
> Guess I did not make it clear. I only want to be able to add new records
> not see the existing records. The problem is that none of the list boxes
> or text boxes in the detail section show up to enter data into.

-- 
-Francisco


From adtp at touchtelindia.net  Wed Sep  1 12:57:30 2004
From: adtp at touchtelindia.net (A.D.Tejpal)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 23:27:30 +0530
Subject: [AccessD] Prompt after Form loads
References: <000501c4900e$25b38380$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25><4314961823.20040
	901123456@cactus.dk><b874372a040901083563fbbfa8@mail.gmail.com><b874372a040
	90108414048fe37@mail.gmail.com>
	<b874372a040901092877447d30@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <00c001c4904d$5dc1f3d0$571865cb@winxp>

Francisco,

    As far as practicable, it is considered desirable to avoid activation of form's timer. Following course of action is suggested.

    Use a plain temporary form (it need not have any controls at all) to open the main form (named F_Main). Put the code given below in Open event of this form. 

    Now, whenever you open the the temporary form, the main form will be displayed normally along with the prompt - as desired. (In the meanwhile the temporary form will close by itself - the user will not become aware of it).

Regards,
A.D.Tejpal
--------------
================================
Private Sub Form_Open(Cancel As Integer)
    DoCmd.OpenForm "F_Main"
    MsgBox "Pl Check The Values"
    Cancel = 1
End Sub
================================

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Francisco Tapia 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
  Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 21:58
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Prompt after Form loads


  On Timmer w/ a static variable is what I ended up using (plus after it
  fires I shoot the timer interval to 2hrs (more than enough time)  so
  it hopefully won't fire again until after their session is done.

  On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 08:41:20 -0700, Francisco Tapia <fhtapia at gmail.com> wrote:
  > Just tried it and the OnCurrent event also fires before the form is
  > loaded :(, gonna try the OnTimmer...
  > 
  > 
  > 
  > On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 08:35:54 -0700, Francisco Tapia <fhtapia at gmail.com> wrote:
  > > I will try this option Gustav, thanks :D.
  > >
  > > btw, Rocky... What I meant by autoload was that in the Form_Load event
  > > I have code that loads data to the form. because it was in the
  > > form_load event, the prompt was occuring before the user had a chance
  > > to see the form.
  > >
  > > On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 12:34:56 +0200, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
  > > > Hi Andy and Francisco
  > > >
  > > > I would suggest OnCurrent.
  > > > To prevent multiple prompts, set a static flag:
  > > >
  > > >   Static booIsPrompted As Boolean
  > > >
  > > >   If booIsPrompted = False Then
  > > >     ' Ask if you user wish to load data.
  > > >     <code>
  > > >     booIsPrompted = True
  > > >   End If
  > >
  > > --
  > > -Francisco
  > >
  > 
  > 
  > --
  > -Francisco
  > 


  -- 
  -Francisco


From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Sep  1 12:59:41 2004
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 19:59:41 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Prompt after Form loads
In-Reply-To: <b874372a04090110454bb34871@mail.gmail.com>
References: <000501c4900e$25b38380$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25>
	<4314961823.20040901123456@cactus.dk>
	<b874372a040901083563fbbfa8@mail.gmail.com>
	<b874372a04090108414048fe37@mail.gmail.com>
	<9234229188.20040901175604@cactus.dk>
	<b874372a04090109563e5029f2@mail.gmail.com>
	<15538768786.20040901191143@cactus.dk>
	<b874372a04090110454bb34871@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <141646033.20040901195941@cactus.dk>

Hi Francisco

It's not quite the same.
The counter counts to one, then runs your code.
No Timer fiddling.

/gustav


> just the same I did it as a boolean static

> so 
> Static blnINIT As Boolean
> IF blnINIT = FALSE then
>    <code>
>     blnINIT = TRUE
> Endif

> On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 19:11:43 +0200, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
>> Hi Francisco
>> 
>> > Why a counter?
>> 
>> Form loads => 1
>> Form hits current first time => 2
>> 
>> So:
>> 
>>   If lngCounter = 2 then
>>     <your code>
>>   End If
>>   lngCounter = lngCounter + 1
>> 
>> /gustav
>> 
>> >> But replace the Boolean with a counter: one, two ...



From Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org  Wed Sep  1 13:11:50 2004
From: Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 14:11:50 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Prompt after Form loads
Message-ID: <08F823FD83787D4BA0B99CA580AD3C74089B22@TTNEXCHCL2.hshhp.com>

A.D.

I don't know that I've ever used form's timer but why is it considered desirable to avoid?

Thanks,

Jim DeMarco

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of A.D.Tejpal
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 1:58 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Prompt after Form loads


Francisco,

    As far as practicable, it is considered desirable to avoid activation of form's timer. Following course of action is suggested.

    Use a plain temporary form (it need not have any controls at all) to open the main form (named F_Main). Put the code given below in Open event of this form. 

    Now, whenever you open the the temporary form, the main form will be displayed normally along with the prompt - as desired. (In the meanwhile the temporary form will close by itself - the user will not become aware of it).

Regards,
A.D.Tejpal
--------------
================================
Private Sub Form_Open(Cancel As Integer)
    DoCmd.OpenForm "F_Main"
    MsgBox "Pl Check The Values"
    Cancel = 1
End Sub
================================

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Francisco Tapia 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
  Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 21:58
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Prompt after Form loads


  On Timmer w/ a static variable is what I ended up using (plus after it
  fires I shoot the timer interval to 2hrs (more than enough time)  so
  it hopefully won't fire again until after their session is done.

  On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 08:41:20 -0700, Francisco Tapia <fhtapia at gmail.com> wrote:
  > Just tried it and the OnCurrent event also fires before the form is
  > loaded :(, gonna try the OnTimmer...
  > 
  > 
  > 
  > On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 08:35:54 -0700, Francisco Tapia <fhtapia at gmail.com> wrote:
  > > I will try this option Gustav, thanks :D.
  > >
  > > btw, Rocky... What I meant by autoload was that in the Form_Load event
  > > I have code that loads data to the form. because it was in the
  > > form_load event, the prompt was occuring before the user had a chance
  > > to see the form.
  > >
  > > On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 12:34:56 +0200, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
  > > > Hi Andy and Francisco
  > > >
  > > > I would suggest OnCurrent.
  > > > To prevent multiple prompts, set a static flag:
  > > >
  > > >   Static booIsPrompted As Boolean
  > > >
  > > >   If booIsPrompted = False Then
  > > >     ' Ask if you user wish to load data.
  > > >     <code>
  > > >     booIsPrompted = True
  > > >   End If
  > >
  > > --
  > > -Francisco
  > >
  > 
  > 
  > --
  > -Francisco
  > 


  -- 
  -Francisco
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From ppeters1 at cce.umn.edu  Wed Sep  1 13:18:34 2004
From: ppeters1 at cce.umn.edu (Polly R Peterson)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 13:18:34 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] FW: Preparing Access Applications for Office 2003
	Conversion
Message-ID: <DCE82B0926109E4B986BF32CFA78495C119DC2@MAIL1.cce.local>

If any of you have experience/advice on this issue we would appreciate
your input.  Thanks in advance!
-Polly P.
________________________________________________________________________
___________________


PROBLEM:
Converting from Office XP to Office 2003 raises security warning
messages in Access .ADP applications that are delivered to users via a
standard image. 


CONVERSION SECURITY ISSUE:
When testing our .adp applications in an Office 2003 test environment,
we find the following results:

*	When macro security is set to high applications basically do not
function.
*	When macro security is set to medium, a security warning appears
at startup: 

"This file may not be safe if it contains code that was intended to harm
your computer.  Do you want to open the file or cancel the operation?"  

If you select 'open' then the application appears to function normally

*	When macro security is set to low: Everything appears to
function normally.


OUR PROPOSED SOLUTION:
Microsoft recommends setting Macro Security to medium or high in Access
applications.  After reading several articles, I'm leaning toward the
following solution:
Set Access macro security to medium and disable the security warning.
>From what I've read, it's possible for an administrator to do this via
Certificate Server on Windows 2000/2003 Server.  The administrator could
create a digital signature that would be valid across the domain.   This
digital signature certificate would essentially turn off the error
message you see if macro security settings are at medium.


QUESTIONS
1.	How can we best adopt Microsoft's security recommendations and
avoid this error message?
2.    Does our solution seem sensible?  Has anyone actually done this
before?  Are their details I'm overlooking?  How have others dealt with
this conversion?
3.    Where can we see what security level we are currently using in
Access 2002?  The Tools, Macro, Security path isn't an option in 2002
and I can't find much on Macro security in that environment.



SPECS:
We're currently running Office XP, Access 2002, MS Jet 4.0 sp 8
(4.0.8618.0), Security Level: ?

We're Migrating to Office 2003, Access 2003, MS Jet 4.0 sp 8
(4.0.8618.0), Security Level Medium


From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed Sep  1 13:21:43 2004
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 11:21:43 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Prompt after Form loads
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312A0E@infoserver01.infostat.local>

I've used them under protest, but they tend to cause screen flickers and
various other odd behavior and they fight with other form events.  The
form timer isn't implemented very well in Access, unlike the timer
controls you can use in VB.

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Jim DeMarco [mailto:Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 11:12 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Prompt after Form loads


A.D.

I don't know that I've ever used form's timer but why is it considered
desirable to avoid?

Thanks,

Jim DeMarco

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of A.D.Tejpal
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 1:58 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Prompt after Form loads


Francisco,

    As far as practicable, it is considered desirable to avoid
activation of form's timer. Following course of action is suggested.

    Use a plain temporary form (it need not have any controls at all) to
open the main form (named F_Main). Put the code given below in Open
event of this form. 

    Now, whenever you open the the temporary form, the main form will be
displayed normally along with the prompt - as desired. (In the meanwhile
the temporary form will close by itself - the user will not become aware
of it).

Regards,
A.D.Tejpal
--------------
================================
Private Sub Form_Open(Cancel As Integer)
    DoCmd.OpenForm "F_Main"
    MsgBox "Pl Check The Values"
    Cancel = 1
End Sub
================================

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Francisco Tapia 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
  Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 21:58
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Prompt after Form loads


  On Timmer w/ a static variable is what I ended up using (plus after it
  fires I shoot the timer interval to 2hrs (more than enough time)  so
  it hopefully won't fire again until after their session is done.

  On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 08:41:20 -0700, Francisco Tapia <fhtapia at gmail.com>
wrote:
  > Just tried it and the OnCurrent event also fires before the form is
  > loaded :(, gonna try the OnTimmer...
  > 
  > 
  > 
  > On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 08:35:54 -0700, Francisco Tapia
<fhtapia at gmail.com> wrote:
  > > I will try this option Gustav, thanks :D.
  > >
  > > btw, Rocky... What I meant by autoload was that in the Form_Load
event
  > > I have code that loads data to the form. because it was in the
  > > form_load event, the prompt was occuring before the user had a
chance
  > > to see the form.
  > >
  > > On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 12:34:56 +0200, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk>
wrote:
  > > > Hi Andy and Francisco
  > > >
  > > > I would suggest OnCurrent.
  > > > To prevent multiple prompts, set a static flag:
  > > >
  > > >   Static booIsPrompted As Boolean
  > > >
  > > >   If booIsPrompted = False Then
  > > >     ' Ask if you user wish to load data.
  > > >     <code>
  > > >     booIsPrompted = True
  > > >   End If
  > >
  > > --
  > > -Francisco
  > >
  > 
  > 
  > --
  > -Francisco
  > 


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From kaupca at chevrontexaco.com  Wed Sep  1 13:26:29 2004
From: kaupca at chevrontexaco.com (Kaup, Chester A)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 13:26:29 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Subform problem with detail section
Message-ID: <1375769556091B4DAABC159F944CA1BB07A194@bocnte2k4.boc.chevrontexaco.net>

So then, is the Data Entry option enabled?, YES
is the table you're adding records to you have a Primary Key ID? NO

What confuses me is the form works fine as a regular form but does not
work correctly when added to another form as a subform.

Thanks for the assistance.

Chester Kaup
Information Management Technician
IT-MidContinent/MidContinent Business Unit
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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Francisco
Tapia
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 12:48 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Subform problem with detail section


So then, is the Data Entry option enabled?, is the table you're adding
records to you have a Primary Key ID?

On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 12:33:30 -0500, Kaup, Chester A
<kaupca at chevrontexaco.com> wrote:
> Guess I did not make it clear. I only want to be able to add new 
> records not see the existing records. The problem is that none of the 
> list boxes or text boxes in the detail section show up to enter data 
> into.

-- 
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From fhtapia at gmail.com  Wed Sep  1 13:35:29 2004
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 11:35:29 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Prompt after Form loads
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312A0E@infoserver01.infostat.local>
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312A0E@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <b874372a04090111355e8e559@mail.gmail.com>

Agreed, I use them as a very last solution.  They do  CAUSE flickers,
and they interrupt other process as well.  Such as adverse behavoirs
when using a combo bx and you find that your dropdown doesn't stay
dropped, because the timer continues to fire off in the background :D


On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 11:21:43 -0700, Charlotte Foust
<cfoust at infostatsystems.com> wrote:
> I've used them under protest, but they tend to cause screen flickers and
> various other odd behavior and they fight with other form events.  The
> form timer isn't implemented very well in Access, unlike the timer
> controls you can use in VB.
> 
> Charlotte Foust


-- 
-Francisco


From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Sep  1 13:33:42 2004
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 20:33:42 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Time zones (was: internationalization)
In-Reply-To: <b874372a04090110397de1be32@mail.gmail.com>
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312A0C@infoserver01.infostat.local>
	<b874372a040901093229ec7fa4@mail.gmail.com>
	<2337384085.20040901184839@cactus.dk>
	<b874372a04090110397de1be32@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2443687429.20040901203342@cactus.dk>

Hi Francisco

> No, but after a quick archive search I found it, thanks :D

Fine.

> thanks Gustav, so to be clear, if I have a record from daylights
> savings time, and I query it in NON-Daylights saving time, this code
> will keep the record at it's accurate time, meaning
> if It was processed in the summer  (GMT-8) at 4pm, and I query the
> record in the Winter will the record show up processed at 4pm or 3pm?,
> the UTC time stored in the db doesn't change, but when they query it,
> will.

Access doesn't record any time zone or daylight savings info so "a
time is a time" as is when stored.
For your example, there would be a difference if measured by the hour
but normally you count by the day. If you need precise hour (or
really: minute count) you would need to either store the time zone
info in another field or convert the local time to UTC, and then,
whenever you need to read the data, either regard any time as local or
convert it from UTC to local.

This is at least how I see it. Perhaps Charlotte can suggest a simpler
approach?

/gustav


>> Well, to Charlotte this seems to be no problem, but it was
>> considerations as those you describe I was thinking of.
>> 
>> So far my thoughts would be to store date/time as UTC time, then do
>> the conversion (shift) later to whatever time zone you may need.
>> But what is your question really? Daylight savings is just another
>> twist to time zone issues. And remember, some time zones are offset by
>> 30 or even 15 minutes only.
>> 
>> Did you see my code previously posted (2004-07-14)?



From artful at rogers.com  Wed Sep  1 13:37:07 2004
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 14:37:07 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] BoY() and EoY() functions
Message-ID: <045701c49052$afd8b730$6501a8c0@rock>

I was positive that I had written these, but can't seem to find them.
BoY() accepts a date and returns the beginning of the year. EoY()
accepts a date and returns the end of the year. They must accept any
international system settings and return the desired dates in the same
format.

Anyone have them handy?

TIA,

Arthur



From fhtapia at gmail.com  Wed Sep  1 13:47:01 2004
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 11:47:01 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Subform problem with detail section
In-Reply-To: <1375769556091B4DAABC159F944CA1BB07A194@bocnte2k4.boc.chevrontexaco.net>
References: <1375769556091B4DAABC159F944CA1BB07A194@bocnte2k4.boc.chevrontexaco.net>
Message-ID: <b874372a040901114767a35984@mail.gmail.com>

It is my opinion, that you should have a PKID of some sort for table
you are adding records, if not a Surrogate Key, then at the very least
a Natural Key.  either is bether than NO key :D

On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 13:26:29 -0500, Kaup, Chester A
<kaupca at chevrontexaco.com> wrote:
> So then, is the Data Entry option enabled?, YES
> is the table you're adding records to you have a Primary Key ID? NO
> 
> What confuses me is the form works fine as a regular form but does not
> work correctly when added to another form as a subform.
> 
> Thanks for the assistance.


-- 
-Francisco


From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Sep  1 13:43:57 2004
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 20:43:57 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] FW: Preparing Access Applications for Office 2003
	Conversion
In-Reply-To: <DCE82B0926109E4B986BF32CFA78495C119DC2@MAIL1.cce.local>
References: <DCE82B0926109E4B986BF32CFA78495C119DC2@MAIL1.cce.local>
Message-ID: <9944302002.20040901204357@cactus.dk>

Hi Polly

Look up in the archive of April:

  Access 2003 Digital Certificate

/gustav


> If any of you have experience/advice on this issue we would appreciate
> your input.  Thanks in advance!
> -Polly P.
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ___________________


> PROBLEM:
> Converting from Office XP to Office 2003 raises security warning
> messages in Access .ADP applications that are delivered to users via a
> standard image. 


> CONVERSION SECURITY ISSUE:
> When testing our .adp applications in an Office 2003 test environment,
> we find the following results:

> *       When macro security is set to high applications basically do not
> function.
> *       When macro security is set to medium, a security warning appears
> at startup: 

> "This file may not be safe if it contains code that was intended to harm
> your computer.  Do you want to open the file or cancel the operation?"  

> If you select 'open' then the application appears to function normally

> *       When macro security is set to low: Everything appears to
> function normally.


> OUR PROPOSED SOLUTION:
> Microsoft recommends setting Macro Security to medium or high in Access
> applications.  After reading several articles, I'm leaning toward the
> following solution:
> Set Access macro security to medium and disable the security warning.
>>From what I've read, it's possible for an administrator to do this via
> Certificate Server on Windows 2000/2003 Server.  The administrator could
> create a digital signature that would be valid across the domain.   This
> digital signature certificate would essentially turn off the error
> message you see if macro security settings are at medium.


> QUESTIONS
> 1.      How can we best adopt Microsoft's security recommendations and
> avoid this error message?
> 2.    Does our solution seem sensible?  Has anyone actually done this
> before?  Are their details I'm overlooking?  How have others dealt with
> this conversion?
> 3.    Where can we see what security level we are currently using in
> Access 2002?  The Tools, Macro, Security path isn't an option in 2002
> and I can't find much on Macro security in that environment.



> SPECS:
> We're currently running Office XP, Access 2002, MS Jet 4.0 sp 8
> (4.0.8618.0), Security Level: ?

> We're Migrating to Office 2003, Access 2003, MS Jet 4.0 sp 8
> (4.0.8618.0), Security Level Medium



From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Sep  1 13:48:39 2004
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 20:48:39 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] BoY() and EoY() functions
In-Reply-To: <045701c49052$afd8b730$6501a8c0@rock>
References: <045701c49052$afd8b730$6501a8c0@rock>
Message-ID: <18444584619.20040901204839@cactus.dk>

Hi Arthur

BoY() is DateSerial(Year(datDate), 1, 1)
EoY() is DateSerial(Year(datDate) + 1, 1, 0)

They should really returns date/time values.
The format is up to you.

/gustav


> I was positive that I had written these, but can't seem to find them.
> BoY() accepts a date and returns the beginning of the year. EoY()
> accepts a date and returns the end of the year. They must accept any
> international system settings and return the desired dates in the same
> format.



From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Sep  1 13:53:36 2004
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 20:53:36 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Prompt after Form loads
In-Reply-To: <b874372a04090111355e8e559@mail.gmail.com>
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312A0E@infoserver01.infostat.local>
	<b874372a04090111355e8e559@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8444881516.20040901205336@cactus.dk>

Hi Francisco

> Agreed, I use them as a very last solution.  They do  CAUSE flickers,
> and they interrupt other process as well.  Such as adverse behavoirs
> when using a combo bx and you find that your dropdown doesn't stay
> dropped, because the timer continues to fire off in the background :D

Except in this case ... did you try the counter solution?
Works excellent here.

/gustav


> On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 11:21:43 -0700, Charlotte Foust
> <cfoust at infostatsystems.com> wrote:
>> I've used them under protest, but they tend to cause screen flickers and
>> various other odd behavior and they fight with other form events.  The
>> form timer isn't implemented very well in Access, unlike the timer
>> controls you can use in VB.
>> 
>> Charlotte Foust



From fhtapia at gmail.com  Wed Sep  1 14:03:52 2004
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 12:03:52 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Prompt after Form loads
In-Reply-To: <141646033.20040901195941@cactus.dk>
References: <000501c4900e$25b38380$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25>
	<4314961823.20040901123456@cactus.dk>
	<b874372a040901083563fbbfa8@mail.gmail.com>
	<b874372a04090108414048fe37@mail.gmail.com>
	<9234229188.20040901175604@cactus.dk>
	<b874372a04090109563e5029f2@mail.gmail.com>
	<15538768786.20040901191143@cactus.dk>
	<b874372a04090110454bb34871@mail.gmail.com>
	<141646033.20040901195941@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <b874372a04090112037664448c@mail.gmail.com>

I know but if I use the OnCurrent Event, it fires before the form is
even drawn up on the screen, I have code in the Form_Load event, and
added a simple "TEST" messagebox to the OnCurrent Event, and found
that it does not FIRE after the form is visible, instead the user will
be prompted IF they want to OverRide data w/ Defaults before they can
read the data, the Timmer control helps to avoid this.... :(

The code in the Form_Load Event opens recordsets to load into the
primary form, calls a subform and listbox to load.  When it ends, I'd
figure that the form would display but it does not. OnCurrent and
OnActivate also fire before the form is visible... so it appears that
the only solution is to leave this on the OnTimer event.

On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 19:59:41 +0200, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
> Hi Francisco
> 
> It's not quite the same.
> The counter counts to one, then runs your code.
> No Timer fiddling.
> 
> /gustav
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > just the same I did it as a boolean static
> 
> > so
> > Static blnINIT As Boolean
> > IF blnINIT = FALSE then
> >    <code>
> >     blnINIT = TRUE
> > Endif
> 
> > On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 19:11:43 +0200, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
> >> Hi Francisco
> >>
> >> > Why a counter?
> >>
> >> Form loads => 1
> >> Form hits current first time => 2
> >>
> >> So:
> >>
> >>   If lngCounter = 2 then
> >>     <your code>
> >>   End If
> >>   lngCounter = lngCounter + 1
> >>
> >> /gustav
> >>
> >> >> But replace the Boolean with a counter: one, two ...
> 
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-Francisco


From kaupca at chevrontexaco.com  Wed Sep  1 14:43:21 2004
From: kaupca at chevrontexaco.com (Kaup, Chester A)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 14:43:21 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Subform problem with detail section
Message-ID: <1375769556091B4DAABC159F944CA1BB07A195@bocnte2k4.boc.chevrontexaco.net>

Added the primary key but text boxes and list boxes in the detail
section do not display.

Chester Kaup
Information Management Technician
IT-MidContinent/MidContinent Business Unit
CTN 8-687-7415  
Outside 432-687-7414

No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However a large
number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. 




-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Francisco
Tapia
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 1:47 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Subform problem with detail section


It is my opinion, that you should have a PKID of some sort for table you
are adding records, if not a Surrogate Key, then at the very least a
Natural Key.  either is bether than NO key :D

On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 13:26:29 -0500, Kaup, Chester A
<kaupca at chevrontexaco.com> wrote:
> So then, is the Data Entry option enabled?, YES
> is the table you're adding records to you have a Primary Key ID? NO
> 
> What confuses me is the form works fine as a regular form but does not

> work correctly when added to another form as a subform.
> 
> Thanks for the assistance.


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From fhtapia at gmail.com  Wed Sep  1 16:14:42 2004
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 14:14:42 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Prompt after Form loads
In-Reply-To: <8444881516.20040901205336@cactus.dk>
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312A0E@infoserver01.infostat.local>
	<b874372a04090111355e8e559@mail.gmail.com>
	<8444881516.20040901205336@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <b874372a04090114144f08610f@mail.gmail.com>

I tried the counter solution, and it fires before the form is "visible"

On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 20:53:36 +0200, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
> Hi Francisco
> 
> > Agreed, I use them as a very last solution.  They do  CAUSE flickers,
> > and they interrupt other process as well.  Such as adverse behavoirs
> > when using a combo bx and you find that your dropdown doesn't stay
> > dropped, because the timer continues to fire off in the background :D
> 
> Except in this case ... did you try the counter solution?
> Works excellent here.

-- 
-Francisco


From fhtapia at gmail.com  Wed Sep  1 16:17:08 2004
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 14:17:08 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Prompt after Form loads
In-Reply-To: <1D7828CDB8350747AFE9D69E0E90DA1F02D0888E@xlivmbx21.aig.com>
References: <1D7828CDB8350747AFE9D69E0E90DA1F02D0888E@xlivmbx21.aig.com>
Message-ID: <b874372a040901141728a54632@mail.gmail.com>

I have tried this as well, and I do get the "Hello" Message box,
however the user would have to click off the form and then back on
before they saw this message.... :|.

remember my production form does this:

Form Open -> set some object classes,
Form Load -> open recordsets load fields
Form Timer -> after 1ms, check if key data fields match defaults.

Access 2000 (ADP)

On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 16:57:50 -0400 , Heenan, Lambert
<lambert.heenan at aig.com> wrote:
> The Activate event should do the trick, you just need to keep tack of how
> many times it fires. I just tried this out with a form/subform setup, and
> the following code seems to work just fine
> 
> Private Sub Form_Activate()
>  Static lngLoaded As Long
>     lngLoaded = lngLoaded + 1
>     DoEvents
>     If lngLoaded > 1 Then MsgBox "Hello "
> End Sub
> 
> The DoEvents does not seem to be necessary, but I thought I'd put it in
> anyway.
> 
> What I found was that the entire form and subform was displayed with the
> exception of some controls on the form which have statements like this...
> 
> =Count([cFaceAmount])
> 
> ... in their control source property.
> 


-- 
-Francisco


From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com  Wed Sep  1 16:42:05 2004
From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark S. (Newport News))
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 17:42:05 -0400 
Subject: [AccessD] Access & AutoCAD
Message-ID: <BA209D7D3A20BE499AB726E4ED7A6DA1FCB6F5@nprdex02.nns.com>

Has anyone tackled this combination?  There is ONE example in the AutoCAD
samples folder.  There is ONE book that I found regarding database
connectivity (circa 1999).  ...and a DISTINCT lack of web-based material as
far as I can tell:(  I would be most appreciative for pointers towards any
of the following: recent books (AutoCAD 2002 or later), web-based tutorials,
web-based examples, personal examples, cave paintings...anything.

Thanks in advance for any/all information.

Mark
Conversely, I am willing to pay $40 to anyone willing to take the AutoCAD
help files and develop a booklet within the next 2 weeks, including a table
of contents, that will allow me to chronologically work my way through a
project.


From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Wed Sep  1 15:09:25 2004
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2004 13:09:25 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] FW: Preparing Access Applications for Office 2003
	Conversion
References: <DCE82B0926109E4B986BF32CFA78495C119DC2@MAIL1.cce.local>
Message-ID: <41362C75.4010302@shaw.ca>

I have handled it by turning security off in registry keys. Your net 
admin could handle this system wide.

HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Office\11.0\Access\Security\Level

If the value is 1, then the macro security of Access 2003 is set to low.
If the value is 2, then the macro security of Access 2003 is set to medium.
If the value is 3, then the macro security of Access 2003 is set to high.

Not sure if certmgr.exe to create certificate from Win2003 has to be 
created for each new version of the ADP
which could be a pain if doing a lot of mods.
See my post Re: [AccessD] Access 2003, Runtime, and Built-in Security
Aug 2 2004

You can check this registry key in code below
Not sure about Access 2002 version=10

If Application.Version >= 11 Then
'set it
   Application.AutomationSecurity = 1 ' msoAutomationSecurityLow
'or read it
   debug.print "Security level=" &   Application.AutomationSecurity
End If

Polly R Peterson wrote:

>If any of you have experience/advice on this issue we would appreciate
>your input.  Thanks in advance!
>-Polly P.
>________________________________________________________________________
>___________________
>
>
>PROBLEM:
>Converting from Office XP to Office 2003 raises security warning
>messages in Access .ADP applications that are delivered to users via a
>standard image. 
>
>
>CONVERSION SECURITY ISSUE:
>When testing our .adp applications in an Office 2003 test environment,
>we find the following results:
>
>*	When macro security is set to high applications basically do not
>function.
>*	When macro security is set to medium, a security warning appears
>at startup: 
>
>"This file may not be safe if it contains code that was intended to harm
>your computer.  Do you want to open the file or cancel the operation?"  
>
>If you select 'open' then the application appears to function normally
>
>*	When macro security is set to low: Everything appears to
>function normally.
>
>
>OUR PROPOSED SOLUTION:
>Microsoft recommends setting Macro Security to medium or high in Access
>applications.  After reading several articles, I'm leaning toward the
>following solution:
>Set Access macro security to medium and disable the security warning.
>>From what I've read, it's possible for an administrator to do this via
>Certificate Server on Windows 2000/2003 Server.  The administrator could
>create a digital signature that would be valid across the domain.   This
>digital signature certificate would essentially turn off the error
>message you see if macro security settings are at medium.
>
>
>QUESTIONS
>1.	How can we best adopt Microsoft's security recommendations and
>avoid this error message?
>2.    Does our solution seem sensible?  Has anyone actually done this
>before?  Are their details I'm overlooking?  How have others dealt with
>this conversion?
>3.    Where can we see what security level we are currently using in
>Access 2002?  The Tools, Macro, Security path isn't an option in 2002
>and I can't find much on Macro security in that environment.
>
>
>
>SPECS:
>We're currently running Office XP, Access 2002, MS Jet 4.0 sp 8
>(4.0.8618.0), Security Level: ?
>
>We're Migrating to Office 2003, Access 2003, MS Jet 4.0 sp 8
>(4.0.8618.0), Security Level Medium
>  
>

-- 
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada





From bchacc at san.rr.com  Wed Sep  1 17:24:02 2004
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 15:24:02 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Will an A2K MDE run unde A2003?
References: <001701c48fb3$d92f7320$6601a8c0@HAL9002>
	<b874372a04083117034bcc0def@mail.gmail.com>
	<00f801c48fd6$6f473f10$6601a8c0@HAL9002> <413570D0.8010209@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <024201c49072$628680f0$6601a8c0@HAL9002>

If I have to get Access 2003 do you know anything about how good the
deployment feature is?

Regards,

Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
http://www.e-z-mrp.com


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "MartyConnelly" <martyconnelly at shaw.ca>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 11:48 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Will an A2K MDE run unde A2003?


> SageKey has an MSI deployment script for Access 2003. $400  It also
> removes the need for a digital certificate.
> which might prove to be a problem or just a nuisance with Access 2000
> MDE running under 2003.
> I guess you will find out.
>
> Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software wrote:
>
> >For my market having Access is quite common.  So it's not really an
issue.
> >I've got Wise and could, I suppose, get the Sagekey script for A2K.  But
> >that's already 2 versions behind the latest.
> >
> >I understand that A2003 has a pretty decent deployment facility.  Yes?
> >
> >If this prospect wants the software and it will only run in A2003 I'll
get
> >A2003, and then I'll have a chance to test the deployment features.
> >
> >Rocky
> >
> >----- Original Message ----- 
> >From: "Francisco Tapia" <fhtapia at gmail.com>
> >To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> ><accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> >Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 5:03 PM
> >Subject: Re: [AccessD] Will an A2K MDE run unde A2003?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>I am curious as to why you don't deploy it w/ a runtime?, I mean you
> >>don't have it as opensource to allow the customer to work w/ the app.
> >>
> >>On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 16:40:07 -0700, Rocky Smolin - Beach Access
> >>Software <bchacc at san.rr.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>Dear List:
> >>>
> >>>I have to call a guy tomorrow morning and tell him whether my software
> >>>
> >>>
> >will work in Access 2003.  I compile it into an MDE under Access 2000.  I
> >know that MDE will run under Access 2002. Will the MDE run in 2003?
> >
> >
> >>>I also have Access 2002 which I could use to make an MDE.  Would an MDE
> >>>
> >>>
> >compiled under Access 2002 run under Access 2003?
> >
> >
> >>-- 
> >>-Francisco
> >>-- 
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> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
>
> -- 
> Marty Connelly
> Victoria, B.C.
> Canada
>
>
>
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Sep  1 19:18:23 2004
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 20:18:23 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Every 100th record
In-Reply-To: <b874372a04083117012bdc26a1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <002801c49082$5f78ff90$80b3fea9@ColbyM6805>

And for the record, by the time I index this database it will be well over a
terabyte.  If I end up merging in their other databases it will be several
terabytes.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Francisco Tapia
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 8:02 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Every 100th record


For the record I think it was me who applied the term VLDB to his db :D.
Even thow I've been my dept's DBA for the last 3 years, I have not run into
any company database that touches the Millions of records, the only tables
that I have that contain a near enough number of consequential tables,
(auditing)


On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 19:32:55 -0400, Arthur Fuller <artful at rogers.com> wrote:
> Just to put things in perspective, JC, the first client of the people 
> who developed MySQL had 60M rows in their principal table. There are 
> lots of apps way bigger than that. I once had a client that was adding 
> 10M rows per month to the table of concern (this was an app recording 
> seismic activity from several hundred meters). I must caution you that 
> you should not use the term VLDB as loosely as you have been using it. 
> You don't know the meaning of VLDB -- not yet at least. You're 
> beginning to appreciate the turf, however. Once I bid on a project 
> that had 100M rows each containing a graphic file. Not to say that 
> size is everything, but IMO VLDB comprises at least a TB, and often 
> many hundreds of TBs.

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Sep  1 19:20:03 2004
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 20:20:03 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Firefox opens two windows
In-Reply-To: <b874372a04083117012bdc26a1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <002901c49082$979f6350$80b3fea9@ColbyM6805>

Can anyone point me to why suddenly FireFox is opening TWO browser windows
whenever I open any link, as in an email or such?  More importantly, how to
fix it.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Francisco Tapia
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 8:02 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Every 100th record


For the record I think it was me who applied the term VLDB to his db :D.
Even thow I've been my dept's DBA for the last 3 years, I have not run into
any company database that touches the Millions of records, the only tables
that I have that contain a near enough number of consequential tables,
(auditing)


On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 19:32:55 -0400, Arthur Fuller <artful at rogers.com> wrote:
> Just to put things in perspective, JC, the first client of the people 
> who developed MySQL had 60M rows in their principal table. There are 
> lots of apps way bigger than that. I once had a client that was adding 
> 10M rows per month to the table of concern (this was an app recording 
> seismic activity from several hundred meters). I must caution you that 
> you should not use the term VLDB as loosely as you have been using it. 
> You don't know the meaning of VLDB -- not yet at least. You're 
> beginning to appreciate the turf, however. Once I bid on a project 
> that had 100M rows each containing a graphic file. Not to say that 
> size is everything, but IMO VLDB comprises at least a TB, and often 
> many hundreds of TBs.

-- 
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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Wed Sep  1 20:29:53 2004
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 20:29:53 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Firefox opens two windows
In-Reply-To: <29479305.1094086527041.JavaMail.root@sniper12.usinternet.com>
Message-ID: <000401c4908c$5953ecb0$de1811d8@danwaters>

John,

I had this same problem a while back.  I went to the FireFox site and found
a link to their user group.  I did a search using some appropriate phrase,
and did find a reference to the problem.  Someone had found the specific
problem and posted a patch.  I installed it and firefox has worked well
since.

This was the name of the patch:

firefox_bug_246078_rev3.reg

Best of luck!
Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 7:20 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Firefox opens two windows

Can anyone point me to why suddenly FireFox is opening TWO browser windows
whenever I open any link, as in an email or such?  More importantly, how to
fix it.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Francisco Tapia
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 8:02 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Every 100th record


For the record I think it was me who applied the term VLDB to his db :D.
Even thow I've been my dept's DBA for the last 3 years, I have not run into
any company database that touches the Millions of records, the only tables
that I have that contain a near enough number of consequential tables,
(auditing)


On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 19:32:55 -0400, Arthur Fuller <artful at rogers.com> wrote:
> Just to put things in perspective, JC, the first client of the people 
> who developed MySQL had 60M rows in their principal table. There are 
> lots of apps way bigger than that. I once had a client that was adding 
> 10M rows per month to the table of concern (this was an app recording 
> seismic activity from several hundred meters). I must caution you that 
> you should not use the term VLDB as loosely as you have been using it. 
> You don't know the meaning of VLDB -- not yet at least. You're 
> beginning to appreciate the turf, however. Once I bid on a project 
> that had 100M rows each containing a graphic file. Not to say that 
> size is everything, but IMO VLDB comprises at least a TB, and often 
> many hundreds of TBs.

-- 
-Francisco
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From fhtapia at gmail.com  Wed Sep  1 21:06:21 2004
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 19:06:21 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Firefox opens two windows
In-Reply-To: <002901c49082$979f6350$80b3fea9@ColbyM6805>
References: <002901c49082$979f6350$80b3fea9@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <b874372a04090119063b8e42d4@mail.gmail.com>

which version of firefox?, I'm running 9.3 and have not seen this problem.

On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 20:20:03 -0400, John W. Colby
<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
> Can anyone point me to why suddenly FireFox is opening TWO browser windows
> whenever I open any link, as in an email or such?  More importantly, how to
> fix it.
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Francisco Tapia
> Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 8:02 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Every 100th record
> 
> For the record I think it was me who applied the term VLDB to his db :D.
> Even thow I've been my dept's DBA for the last 3 years, I have not run into
> any company database that touches the Millions of records, the only tables
> that I have that contain a near enough number of consequential tables,
> (auditing)
> 
> On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 19:32:55 -0400, Arthur Fuller <artful at rogers.com> wrote:
> > Just to put things in perspective, JC, the first client of the people
> > who developed MySQL had 60M rows in their principal table. There are
> > lots of apps way bigger than that. I once had a client that was adding
> > 10M rows per month to the table of concern (this was an app recording
> > seismic activity from several hundred meters). I must caution you that
> > you should not use the term VLDB as loosely as you have been using it.
> > You don't know the meaning of VLDB -- not yet at least. You're
> > beginning to appreciate the turf, however. Once I bid on a project
> > that had 100M rows each containing a graphic file. Not to say that
> > size is everything, but IMO VLDB comprises at least a TB, and often
> > many hundreds of TBs.
> 
> --
> -Francisco
> --
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Sep  1 21:18:35 2004
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 22:18:35 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Firefox opens two windows
In-Reply-To: <000401c4908c$5953ecb0$de1811d8@danwaters>
Message-ID: <002a01c49093$2abf2a20$80b3fea9@ColbyM6805>

Works great,thanks!

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 9:30 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Firefox opens two windows


John,

I had this same problem a while back.  I went to the FireFox site and found
a link to their user group.  I did a search using some appropriate phrase,
and did find a reference to the problem.  Someone had found the specific
problem and posted a patch.  I installed it and firefox has worked well
since.

This was the name of the patch:

firefox_bug_246078_rev3.reg

Best of luck!
Dan

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 7:20 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Firefox opens two windows

Can anyone point me to why suddenly FireFox is opening TWO browser windows
whenever I open any link, as in an email or such?  More importantly, how to
fix it.

John W. Colby
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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Francisco Tapia
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 8:02 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Every 100th record


For the record I think it was me who applied the term VLDB to his db :D.
Even thow I've been my dept's DBA for the last 3 years, I have not run into
any company database that touches the Millions of records, the only tables
that I have that contain a near enough number of consequential tables,
(auditing)


On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 19:32:55 -0400, Arthur Fuller <artful at rogers.com> wrote:
> Just to put things in perspective, JC, the first client of the people
> who developed MySQL had 60M rows in their principal table. There are 
> lots of apps way bigger than that. I once had a client that was adding 
> 10M rows per month to the table of concern (this was an app recording 
> seismic activity from several hundred meters). I must caution you that 
> you should not use the term VLDB as loosely as you have been using it. 
> You don't know the meaning of VLDB -- not yet at least. You're 
> beginning to appreciate the turf, however. Once I bid on a project 
> that had 100M rows each containing a graphic file. Not to say that 
> size is everything, but IMO VLDB comprises at least a TB, and often 
> many hundreds of TBs.

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From davide at dalyn.co.nz  Wed Sep  1 21:26:42 2004
From: davide at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 14:26:42 +1200
Subject: [AccessD] TransferText Causing System Crash
In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20040901065033.00b2c0b0@mail.dalyn.co.nz>
References: <F37DAC9A2964B144A2973EBCA8C54DBDABD3CD@BURY2K23.bury.gov.u k>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20040902142408.00baf360@mail.dalyn.co.nz>

Solution has been found!  It seemed to be something to do with the 
shortcut!!!  I recreated the shortcut and the crashing stopped.  I don't 
know why the shortcut would affect things (why would only 2 commands out of 
an entire library cause it to cash?)

David


At 1/09/2004, you wrote:
>Thanks for the suggestion.  All the file names have the extension included.
>
>David
>
>At 31/08/2004, you wrote:
>>Hi
>>
>>
>>My similar experience with Access(97) running under XP  (with Office XP
>>installed) when exporting text data was that if the export text filename
>>did not have an file extension e.g. MyDownloadFile, Access would hang.
>>Exporting to MyDownloadFile.txt would solve the issue.  May or may not
>>be relevant here (I was using Acc 97 but it was the XP OS (or Office XP)
>>that seemed to be the issue here).
>>
>>Richard
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: David Emerson [mailto:davide at dalyn.co.nz]
>>Sent: 30 August 2004 06:26
>>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] TransferText Causing System Crash
>>
>>That solved most of the problem.  Now the commands work on the server.
>>
>>However, it is used as a terminal server.  Although it runs fine when
>>using
>>the program direct on the computer, if anyone connects to a terminal
>>server
>>session they still get the same crashing.
>>
>>Any pointers on this one!!
>>
>>David
>>
>>At 27/08/2004, you wrote:
>> >Oh and one other thing to check that you have installed
>> >Overview of Office XP Service Pack 3 for Access 2002 Runtime. Note this
>>is
>> >in addition to normal SP3
>> >http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;834693&Product=
>>acc
>> >
>> >MartyConnelly wrote:
>> >
>> >>Well it looks like different Office XP service packs on the machines,
>>XP
>> >>SP-3 on your development machine.
>> >>Are you doing a full new runtime install on the server, or just
>>passing
>> >>over the adp file to the server with changes.?
>> >>This could lead to problems.
>> >>
>> >>David Emerson wrote:
>> >>
>> >>>Group,
>> >>>
>> >>>I have an AXP ade/SQL2000 runtime setup running on Windows 2003
>> >>>Server.  When I use the DoCmd.TransferSpreadsheet or
>>DoCmd.TransferText
>> >>>commands my database crashes (Unexpected error in MSAccess.exe).
>> >>>
>> >>>Examples are -
>> >>>
>> >>>DoCmd.TransferSpreadsheet acExport, acSpreadsheetTypeExcel7,
>> >>>strTableName, strFullName
>> >>>DoCmd.TransferSpreadsheet acImport, , "dbo.ttmpTOURawData",
>>strFullName,
>> >>>False
>> >>>DoCmd.TransferSpreadsheet acImport, acSpreadsheetTypeExcel97,
>> >>>"dbo.ttmpSwitchNewIn", Me!txtSwitchFile, True
>> >>>DoCmd.TransferSpreadsheet acImport, acSpreadsheetTypeExcel97,
>> >>>"dbo.ttmpTemporary", Me!txtDataFile
>> >>>DoCmd.TransferText acExportDelim, , "dbo.ttmpAgedDebtorDDebitExp",
>> >>>strFullName
>> >>>DoCmd.TransferText acExportDelim, , "dbo.ttmpExportMerge",
>> >>>DLookup("RootFolder", "tblCompany") & "\Merge\CustMerge.TXT", True
>> >>>DoCmd.TransferText acExportDelim, , "dbo.ttmpSwitchNewOut",
>> >>>DLookup("RootFolder", "tblCompany") & "\Switch\CustSwitch.TXT", True
>> >>>DoCmd.TransferText acImportDelim, , "dbo.ttmpTOURawData",
>>strFullName, False
>> >>>
>> >>>The commands work on my development machine (WXP Professional with
>> >>>Office 97 and Office XP).
>> >>>
>> >>>I have tried uninstalling and reinstalling the runtime application.
>> >>>
>> >>>Other commands in the Access library seem to work ok.  The version of
>>
>> >>>the olb (C:\Program Files\Microsoft OfficeXP\Office10\msacc.olb) on
>>my
>> >>>machine is 10.0.6308.0.  The runtime machine (C:\Program
>>Files\Microsoft
>> >>>Access Runtime\Office10\msacc.olb) has version 10.0.2627.1.
>> >>>
>> >>>Any clues why the transfer commands might be causing problems?
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>Regards
>> >>>
>> >>>David Emerson
>> >>>Dalyn Software Ltd
>> >>>25 Cunliffe St, Churton Park
>> >>>Wellington, New Zealand
>> >>>Ph/Fax (04) 478-7456
>> >>>Mobile 027-280-9348
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From jmoss111 at bellsouth.net  Wed Sep  1 21:30:35 2004
From: jmoss111 at bellsouth.net (JMoss)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 21:30:35 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Every 100th record
In-Reply-To: <000d01c48fba$264f5980$80b3fea9@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <OKEMICJGPJCMJCCHGNDEGEMACMAA.jmoss111@bellsouth.net>

John,

I can't help but think that you could lose as much as 10 - 15 % of the
volume of this database by doing some type of dedup and / or householding
process.

I wonder about the logic of mixing lists of different types in one database.
It seems to me that the customer wouldn't want to mail an offer to someone
from a sports list to someone who got added to a list because they had
purchased knitting supplies or some similar type item. The database
marketing firm that I worked with kept separate databases. Merging different
types of customers into a mail blast seems like a blast or shotgun approach,
or someone just selling a lot of addresses in a very non methodical manner.

Do you get enough of a performance boost from a 64 bit processor running a
32 bit OS or application to make it worth while? I would think that multiple
32 bit cpu's would be the ticket for 32 bit apps.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 7:25 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Every 100th record


In fact the client has another database that has 125 million addresses,
another that has 14 million more people, and another that handles all their
sports mailings.  They would like to merge them all.  I just bought a 3ghz
socket 754 Athlon 64 which I am loading with Win2K and SQL Server tonight.
I can only pray that this gives me SOMETHING in the way of a speedup against
my old AMD Athlon 2500.  I have to examine my options, down to splitting up
the database and having different machines process pieces.  I also have to
learn to tune SQL Server.

Since I am starting from "know absolutely nothing" it shouldn't be too hard
to get better results over time.  ;-)

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 7:33 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Every 100th record


Just to put things in perspective, JC, the first client of the people who
developed MySQL had 60M rows in their principal table. There are lots of
apps way bigger than that. I once had a client that was adding 10M rows per
month to the table of concern (this was an app recording seismic activity
from several hundred meters). I must caution you that you should not use the
term VLDB as loosely as you have been using it. You don't know the meaning
of VLDB -- not yet at least. You're beginning to appreciate the turf,
however. Once I bid on a project that had 100M rows each containing a
graphic file. Not to say that size is everything, but IMO VLDB comprises at
least a TB, and often many hundreds of TBs.

I just got a contract with a company using MySQL whose test database's most
important table comprises 100M rows. They expect their clients to have 10*
as many rows. My job is to optimize the queries. Fortunately, I can assume
any hardware I deem necessary to do it. They are after sub-second retrieves
against 1B rows, with maybe 1000 users. Life's a beach and then you drown. I
don't know if I can deliver what they want, but what I can deliver is
benchmarks against the various DBs that I'm comfortable with -- SQL 2000,
Oracle, MySQL and DB/2. I figure that if none of them can do it, I'm off the
hook :)

The difficult part of this new assignment is that there's no way I can
duplicate the hardware resources required to emulate the required system, so
I have to assume that the benchmarks on my local system will hold up in a
load-leveling 100-server environment -- at least until I have something
worthy of installing and then test it in that environment.

I sympathize and empathize with your situation, JC. It's amazing how many of
our tried-and-true solutions go right out the window when you escalate the
number of rows to 100M -- and then factor in multiple joins. Stuff that
looks spectacular with only 1M rows suddenly sucks big-time when applied to
100M rows.

Arthur

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 7:13 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Every 100th record


Paul,

In fact I am trying to make this run on my home system which is part of the
problem.  This week I am playing "stay-at-home dad" as my wife starts the
chhool year this week and has all those 1st week teacher meetings /
training.

I have never come even close to a db this size and it has definitely been a
learning experience.  Here's hoping I survive.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Paul Rodgers
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 3:49 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Every 100th record


65 million! What an amazing world you work it. Is there ever time in the
week to pop home for an hour?
Cheers paul



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From Developer at UltraDNT.com  Wed Sep  1 22:36:44 2004
From: Developer at UltraDNT.com (Steve Conklin (Developer@UltraDNT))
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 23:36:44 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Rotating Excel
In-Reply-To: <001101c48fc0$747cdf50$80b3fea9@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <000201c4909e$14a42230$0201a8c0@COA3>

Excel has a Transpose command, which would do what you are asking once
in the worksheet 
... BUT ... It also has a 255 column limit.

How about an ADO recordset ... Loop the fields, write the names to
table?

hth
Steve



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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 9:10 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Rotating Excel


I need to export data from this big database into Excel.  The objective
= is to get the FIELD NAMES out with data from about 100 records.  I
then = need to rotate excel such that the field names are down the left
side and the = data for each record runs down vertically, the data for
any given field runs across horizontally.  Can anyone tell me how to
rotate the spreadsheet = such that the field names are down the left
side?

I assume that the export MUST go out with the field names across the top
row, and the data below that. =20

Can anyone tell me how to get the entire 600+ fields out in a single =
export? When I try to use dts it works but complains (fails) if I try
and export more than about 240 fields.  It LOOKS LIKE perhaps the length
of the = field names in the first row is confusing Excel.  It is telling
me I am = exceeding the 1000 column limit (or some such)

What I really want to do is export all the columns (about 600) with the
field names in the top row, then rotate the whole shootin match.  Any
assistance on any of this is greatly appreciated.


John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Sep  1 22:52:17 2004
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 23:52:17 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Every 100th record
In-Reply-To: <OKEMICJGPJCMJCCHGNDEGEMACMAA.jmoss111@bellsouth.net>
Message-ID: <002c01c490a0$40f98d00$80b3fea9@ColbyM6805>

Jim,

I think the merge idea is simply to maximize the sheer number of names in
the database.  From what they are saying, they get info on various people
over time and need to update those people.  Perhaps a poll on car buying, or
smoking, or whatever.  If those fields don't already exist in the "big
table" they add new ones to hold the info.  Thus from that perspective
"sports" is just another interest, no different from hunting or fishing or
gun ownership.

As for the 64 bit processor helping with 32 bit apps, nope, not at all -
however it certainly doesn't slow 32 bit apps down.  However I understand
that a 64 bit version of Windows 2003 and SQL Server are available.  I
purchased the Action Pack which AFAICT contains these things.  I am hoping
that the 64 bit versions may give some tangible benefit.  If not, at least I
have a current generation motherboard / processor with current generation
SATA, gbit LAN etc.  I purchased the MSI K8 Neo Platinum motherboard which
appears to be a pretty solid system.  It provides all the raid 0/1/10 your
heard could desire, can directly manipulate 4 SATA drives and 4 IDE drives
and can combine these drives in any order into RAID arrays.  These machines
have gbit LAN built in, coming right off the NVIDIA core (not across the PCI
bus).  I am putting in a 5 port gbit switch so they can talk to each other
at top speed.

I have acknowledged TOTAL ignorance about the ins and outs of SQL Server but
I am learning as fast as I can.  My reading indicates that SQL Server can
distribute a database across entirely different machines.  Again how this is
done I haven't a clue but in order to find out (and test it)  I need two
machines.  I will shortly have two of these A64 machines to experiment with.
If this can indeed be done and the results are good, I can take it from
there.  I will keep the group informed of my findings.  

If I can get this all to work I stand to have a good solid client and a lot
of work.  If I can't I stand to have a totally overpowered (but NICE) dev
machine and a lot more SQL Server knowledge than I currently possess.  In
fact my Insurance Call Center client needs to go to SQL Server as well so
this will hopefully help me there as well.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of JMoss
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 10:31 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Every 100th record


John,

I can't help but think that you could lose as much as 10 - 15 % of the
volume of this database by doing some type of dedup and / or householding
process.

I wonder about the logic of mixing lists of different types in one database.
It seems to me that the customer wouldn't want to mail an offer to someone
from a sports list to someone who got added to a list because they had
purchased knitting supplies or some similar type item. The database
marketing firm that I worked with kept separate databases. Merging different
types of customers into a mail blast seems like a blast or shotgun approach,
or someone just selling a lot of addresses in a very non methodical manner.

Do you get enough of a performance boost from a 64 bit processor running a
32 bit OS or application to make it worth while? I would think that multiple
32 bit cpu's would be the ticket for 32 bit apps.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 7:25 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Every 100th record


In fact the client has another database that has 125 million addresses,
another that has 14 million more people, and another that handles all their
sports mailings.  They would like to merge them all.  I just bought a 3ghz
socket 754 Athlon 64 which I am loading with Win2K and SQL Server tonight. I
can only pray that this gives me SOMETHING in the way of a speedup against
my old AMD Athlon 2500.  I have to examine my options, down to splitting up
the database and having different machines process pieces.  I also have to
learn to tune SQL Server.

Since I am starting from "know absolutely nothing" it shouldn't be too hard
to get better results over time.  ;-)

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 7:33 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Every 100th record


Just to put things in perspective, JC, the first client of the people who
developed MySQL had 60M rows in their principal table. There are lots of
apps way bigger than that. I once had a client that was adding 10M rows per
month to the table of concern (this was an app recording seismic activity
from several hundred meters). I must caution you that you should not use the
term VLDB as loosely as you have been using it. You don't know the meaning
of VLDB -- not yet at least. You're beginning to appreciate the turf,
however. Once I bid on a project that had 100M rows each containing a
graphic file. Not to say that size is everything, but IMO VLDB comprises at
least a TB, and often many hundreds of TBs.

I just got a contract with a company using MySQL whose test database's most
important table comprises 100M rows. They expect their clients to have 10*
as many rows. My job is to optimize the queries. Fortunately, I can assume
any hardware I deem necessary to do it. They are after sub-second retrieves
against 1B rows, with maybe 1000 users. Life's a beach and then you drown. I
don't know if I can deliver what they want, but what I can deliver is
benchmarks against the various DBs that I'm comfortable with -- SQL 2000,
Oracle, MySQL and DB/2. I figure that if none of them can do it, I'm off the
hook :)

The difficult part of this new assignment is that there's no way I can
duplicate the hardware resources required to emulate the required system, so
I have to assume that the benchmarks on my local system will hold up in a
load-leveling 100-server environment -- at least until I have something
worthy of installing and then test it in that environment.

I sympathize and empathize with your situation, JC. It's amazing how many of
our tried-and-true solutions go right out the window when you escalate the
number of rows to 100M -- and then factor in multiple joins. Stuff that
looks spectacular with only 1M rows suddenly sucks big-time when applied to
100M rows.

Arthur

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 7:13 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Every 100th record


Paul,

In fact I am trying to make this run on my home system which is part of the
problem.  This week I am playing "stay-at-home dad" as my wife starts the
chhool year this week and has all those 1st week teacher meetings /
training.

I have never come even close to a db this size and it has definitely been a
learning experience.  Here's hoping I survive.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Paul Rodgers
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 3:49 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Every 100th record


65 million! What an amazing world you work it. Is there ever time in the
week to pop home for an hour? Cheers paul



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From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Sep  1 21:54:54 2004
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence (AccessD))
Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2004 19:54:54 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Rotating Excel
In-Reply-To: <001101c48fc0$747cdf50$80b3fea9@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <FJEJLIPOMCGJALMGLLLIKEDKCGAA.accessd@shaw.ca>

Hi John:

I believe there is a 1000 column and 65000 row limit to an excel
spreadsheet.

Jim

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 6:10 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Rotating Excel


I need to export data from this big database into Excel.  The objective = is
to get the FIELD NAMES out with data from about 100 records.  I then = need
to rotate excel such that the field names are down the left side and the =
data for each record runs down vertically, the data for any given field runs
across horizontally.  Can anyone tell me how to rotate the spreadsheet =
such that the field names are down the left side?

I assume that the export MUST go out with the field names across the top
row, and the data below that. =20

Can anyone tell me how to get the entire 600+ fields out in a single =
export? When I try to use dts it works but complains (fails) if I try and
export more than about 240 fields.  It LOOKS LIKE perhaps the length of the
= field names in the first row is confusing Excel.  It is telling me I am =
exceeding the 1000 column limit (or some such)

What I really want to do is export all the columns (about 600) with the
field names in the top row, then rotate the whole shootin match.  Any
assistance on any of this is greatly appreciated.


John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Sep  1 23:09:24 2004
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 00:09:24 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Rotating Excel
In-Reply-To: <000201c4909e$14a42230$0201a8c0@COA3>
Message-ID: <002d01c490a2$a5d4e0b0$80b3fea9@ColbyM6805>

I may end up doing a little program.  I was hoping for something built in.
Let me look at the transpose thingie.

Thanks,

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Conklin
(Developer at UltraDNT)
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 11:37 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Rotating Excel


Excel has a Transpose command, which would do what you are asking once in
the worksheet 
... BUT ... It also has a 255 column limit.

How about an ADO recordset ... Loop the fields, write the names to table?

hth
Steve



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 9:10 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Rotating Excel


I need to export data from this big database into Excel.  The objective = is
to get the FIELD NAMES out with data from about 100 records.  I then = need
to rotate excel such that the field names are down the left side and the =
data for each record runs down vertically, the data for any given field runs
across horizontally.  Can anyone tell me how to rotate the spreadsheet =
such that the field names are down the left side?

I assume that the export MUST go out with the field names across the top
row, and the data below that. =20

Can anyone tell me how to get the entire 600+ fields out in a single =
export? When I try to use dts it works but complains (fails) if I try and
export more than about 240 fields.  It LOOKS LIKE perhaps the length of the
= field names in the first row is confusing Excel.  It is telling me I am =
exceeding the 1000 column limit (or some such)

What I really want to do is export all the columns (about 600) with the
field names in the top row, then rotate the whole shootin match.  Any
assistance on any of this is greatly appreciated.


John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


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From fhtapia at gmail.com  Wed Sep  1 23:15:54 2004
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 21:15:54 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Online storage
In-Reply-To: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8031BB312@main2.marlow.com>
References: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8031BB312@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <b874372a04090121157b58c94@mail.gmail.com>

it is peculiar to me that you would upload to some online storage
place, I would suggest a cheap alternative,

ghost + external DVD writter "cheap" DVD r media.

(btw, Acronis sucks, just so you knwo not to go a 'cheap' way out)

On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 09:51:12 -0500, dwutka at marlow.com <dwutka at marlow.com> wrote:
> If you are just talking about data...what kind of space requirement are you
> talking?  I have about 10 gigs free on my servers data drive, if you want to
> just store data.  Of course, unless you have screaming upload speed a gig or
> two is going to take a day or two. (At 1.5 meg up, to my house, it took
> about 45 minutes to transfer a 380 meg file).
> 
> Drew
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
> Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2004 7:28 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: [AccessD] OT: Online storage
> 
> We're moving in a few days and I don't have the facilities to back up both
> of the systems I work on -- I usually just back up from one to the other.
> Can anyone suggest an online service where I could upload both systems, just
> in case something happens during the move?
> 
> Since this is so off topic, I guess you should reply off list.
> 
> Also, I'll be unsubbing for a few days -- anyone needing me can reach me off
> list at ssharkins at bellsouth.net -- but it might take a few days for me to
> get back to you.
> 
> Thanks everyone.
> 
> Susan H.
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Sep  2 03:10:59 2004
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 10:10:59 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Determine current page number of report in preview
Message-ID: <225449706.20040902101059@cactus.dk>

Hi all (Drew?)

How do you catch the current page in preview?

Access caches pages while you are browsing forward.
Fine, but if the user moves (browses) backwards, the Page property
stays on the highest number even though the preview displays the
correct lower page number.

I guess the only chance would be to catch the current page number from
the status line of the preview window but I don't know if that is
possible.

/gustav



From gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Sep  2 03:35:14 2004
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 10:35:14 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Prompt after Form loads
In-Reply-To: <b874372a04090114144f08610f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312A0E@infoserver01.infostat.local>
	<b874372a04090111355e8e559@mail.gmail.com>
	<8444881516.20040901205336@cactus.dk>
	<b874372a04090114144f08610f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1896904147.20040902103514@cactus.dk>

Hi Francisco

> I tried the counter solution, and it fires before the form is "visible"

You are right, missed that, but here is how to do this without the
Timer: 

First, create this function in the subform:

Private Function ShowAtOpen()

  Static booOpened  As Boolean
  
  If booOpened = False Then
    ' Replace with your code.
    MsgBox "Load?", vbQuestion, "Francisco"
    ' Run only once.
    booOpened = True
  End If
  
End Function

Now, create a textbox in the subform, make it not Visible, and bind it
like this:

=ShowAtOpen()

This will pop the code when the form and the sub have been rendered
including controls bound to the recordsource of the form. The only
limitation I can see is, that other controls bound to an expression
(=something()) may have their values retrieved after the firing of
ShowAtOpen.

/gustav


> On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 20:53:36 +0200, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
>> Hi Francisco
>> 
>> > Agreed, I use them as a very last solution.  They do  CAUSE flickers,
>> > and they interrupt other process as well.  Such as adverse behavoirs
>> > when using a combo bx and you find that your dropdown doesn't stay
>> > dropped, because the timer continues to fire off in the background :D
>> 
>> Except in this case ... did you try the counter solution?
>> Works excellent here.



From HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com  Thu Sep  2 07:39:04 2004
From: HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com (Hollis,Virginia)
Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 07:39:04 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Required Field in Function
Message-ID: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0F53BAE5@cntexchange.pgdp.usec.com>

I have a function (code below) that is used to append data from a linked
Excel file (xlsBPS). The Excel file is linked to the database as a table.
There is a column in the Excel file named AssetID - this is a required field
in the database. Yesterday when the user ran the append code the AssetID was
blank in one of the records in the xlsBPS file. This caused all the records
to move up one. For example:

 

Record 1: AssetID = 

            Description: This one

 

Record 2: AssetID = ABC

            Description: My Name

 

The results after the append code ran were:

 

Record 1: AssetID  = ABC

            Description: This one

 

What can I add to the function to check for null fields to ensure the
AssetID is completed, if not, the code does not run? I tried adding a check
(where I added the ***** in the code, but I receive the error, RunTime 424,
Object Required.

 

Virginia

_____________________________________________________________________

Function AppendBPS()

'Appends new data from xlsBPS to tblFailure, tblSystemMain, and
tblFailureTimeSelected.

 

    Beep

     

    Title = "Append new BPS data from Excel"

    ' Work Order table import.

    Msg = "Your are about to modify data in this database."

    Msg = Msg & " Do you want to continue?"

    DgDef = vbQuestion + vbYesNo + vbDefaultButton1    ' Describe dialog
box.

    Response = MsgBox(Msg, DgDef, Title)    ' Get user response.

    If Response = vbYes Then    ' Evaluate response

    

********        If IsNull(xlsBPS.AssetID) Then
*******************************

*******     MsgBox "Asset ID must be completed before downloading"

********    Cancel = True            

******* End If

            

        DoCmd.SetWarnings False

    

        DoCmd.Echo False, "Appending Data"

        DoCmd.Hourglass True

 

        'Append data to tables

        DoCmd.OpenQuery "qry_AppendBPS_tblSystemMain", acNormal, acEdit
'Open append query for tblSystemMain

        DoCmd.OpenQuery "qry_AppendBPS_tblFailures", acNormal, acEdit 'Open
append query for tblFailures

        DoCmd.OpenQuery "qry_AppendBPS_tblFailureTimeSelected", acNormal,
acEdit 'Open append query for tblFailureTimeSelected

        DoCmd.Echo False, "Appending new data"

        

        DoCmd.Echo True

        DoCmd.Hourglass False

        

        Beep

 

        MsgBox "All done!"

        DoCmd.SetWarnings True

        DoCmd.OpenForm "frmSystemFailure", acNormal, "qryStatusPending", ,
acFormEdit, acWindowNormal

        'DoCmd.Quit

 

    Else

       ' You chose No or pressed Enter.

    End If

    

End Function



From chizotz at mchsi.com  Thu Sep  2 07:50:22 2004
From: chizotz at mchsi.com (Ron Allen)
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 07:50:22 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] FW: photo editing
In-Reply-To: <001401c48e9e$128ffde0$80b3fea9@ColbyM6805>
References: <001401c48e9e$128ffde0$80b3fea9@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <657746720.20040902075022@mchsi.com>

Hello John and Janice,

Paint Shop Pro, www.jasc.com, is a great image editor that is very
reasonably priced. It does most everything that Photoshop can do at
only a fraction of the cost.

PSP can definitely save .tif files, and you can measure in inches
rather than pixels. I've done both these things in PSP myself.

HTH,

Ron


Monday, August 30, 2004, 9:31:37 AM, you wrote:

JWC> My sister in law is looking for photo editing stuff.  If anyone knows of any
JWC> that fits the description in the message below my sig could you reply
JWC> directly to me off line or directly to Janice.

JWC> Thanks,

JWC> John W. Colby
JWC> www.ColbyConsulting.com 

JWC> -----Original Message-----
JWC> From: JMcK110 at aol.com [mailto:JMcK110 at aol.com] 
JWC> Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 9:00 AM
JWC> To: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com
JWC> Subject: photo editing


JWC> John:
JWC> For your type of computer, are you familiar with any non-professional
JWC> software(not Photoshop) that lets you save photos as tiffs and measure
JWC> photos in 
JWC> inches rather than pixels?

JWC> Client is using Microsfot Photo Editor and having lots of trouble with it?

JWC> Don't do any research on this question.  I know you're busy.  I'm just
JWC> looking for off the top of your head answer.
JWC> Janice




From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Thu Sep  2 08:02:32 2004
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 14:02:32 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Required Field in Function
Message-ID: <20040902130230.0B87724E2D7@smtp.nildram.co.uk>

Virginia
Your test may well be ok but all you're doinmg is setting Cancel=True; you
still carry on and execute the queries. The query execution needs to be on
an Else so that it does not run if the IsNull test is True. Setting
Cancel=True does not stop subsequent code.

--
Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk



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From: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
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To: accessD at databaseadvisors.com <accessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: [AccessD] Required Field in Function
Date: 02/09/04 12:45

>
> I have a function (code below) that is used to append data from a linked
> Excel file (xlsBPS). The Excel file is linked to the database as a table.
> There is a column in the Excel file named AssetID - this is a required
field
> in the database. Yesterday when the user ran the append code the AssetID
was
> blank in one of the records in the xlsBPS file. This caused all the
records
> to move up one. For example:
>
>
>
> Record 1: AssetID =
>
>             Description: This one
>
>
>
> Record 2: AssetID = ABC
>
>             Description: My Name
>
>
>
> The results after the append code ran were:
>
>
>
> Record 1: AssetID  = ABC
>
>             Description: This one
>
>
>
> What can I add to the function to check for null fields to ensure the
> AssetID is completed, if not, the code does not run? I tried adding a
check
> (where I added the ***** in the code, but I receive the error, RunTime
424,
> Object Required.
>
>
>
> Virginia
>
> _____________________________________________________________________
>
> Function AppendBPS()
>
> 'Appends new data from xlsBPS to tblFailure, tblSystemMain, and
> tblFailureTimeSelected.
>
>
>
>     Beep
>
>
>
>     Title = &quot;Append new BPS data from Excel&quot;
>
>     ' Work Order table import.
>
>     Msg = &quot;Your are about to modify data in this database.&quot;
>
>     Msg = Msg &amp; &quot; Do you want to continue?&quot;
>
>     DgDef = vbQuestion + vbYesNo + vbDefaultButton1    ' Describe dialog
> box.
>
>     Response = MsgBox(Msg, DgDef, Title)    ' Get user response.
>
>     If Response = vbYes Then    ' Evaluate response
>
>
>
> ********        If IsNull(xlsBPS.AssetID) Then
> *******************************
>
> *******     MsgBox &quot;Asset ID must be completed before
downloading&quot;
>
> ********    Cancel = True
>
> ******* End If
>
>
>
>         DoCmd.SetWarnings False
>
>
>
>         DoCmd.Echo False, &quot;Appending Data&quot;
>
>         DoCmd.Hourglass True
>
>
>
>         'Append data to tables
>
>         DoCmd.OpenQuery &quot;qry_AppendBPS_tblSystemMain&quot;, acNormal,
acEdit
> 'Open append query for tblSystemMain
>
>         DoCmd.OpenQuery &quot;qry_AppendBPS_tblFailures&quot;, acNormal,
acEdit 'Open
> append query for tblFailures
>
>         DoCmd.OpenQuery &quot;qry_AppendBPS_tblFailureTimeSelected&quot;,
acNormal,
> acEdit 'Open append query for tblFailureTimeSelected
>
>         DoCmd.Echo False, &quot;Appending new data&quot;
>
>
>
>         DoCmd.Echo True
>
>         DoCmd.Hourglass False
>
>
>
>         Beep
>
>
>
>         MsgBox &quot;All done!&quot;
>
>         DoCmd.SetWarnings True
>
>         DoCmd.OpenForm &quot;frmSystemFailure&quot;, acNormal,
&quot;qryStatusPending&quot;, ,
> acFormEdit, acWindowNormal
>
>         'DoCmd.Quit
>
>
>
>     Else
>
>        ' You chose No or pressed Enter.
>
>     End If
>
>
>
> End Function
>
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From HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com  Thu Sep  2 08:28:14 2004
From: HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com (Hollis,Virginia)
Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 08:28:14 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Required Field in Function
Message-ID: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0F53BAFE@cntexchange.pgdp.usec.com>

I removed the Cancel = True, added "Else" after the MsgBox, and moved the
End If to the bottom of the code. But I still receive the RunTime Error 424
Object Required on the If IsNull ... code. Am I missing something else? What
would stop the code from running and what is causing the error?
 
If IsNull(xlsBPS.AssetID) Then
   MsgBox "Asset ID must be completed before downloading"
Else
.......
End If
End If
 
Virginia
________________________________________________________
Virginia
Your test may well be ok but all you're doinmg is setting Cancel=True; you
still carry on and execute the queries. The query execution needs to be on
an Else so that it does not run if the IsNull test is True. Setting
Cancel=True does not stop subsequent code.
 
--
Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk <http://www.minstersystems.co.uk> 
 
 
 
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From: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com
<http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd> >
To: accessD at databaseadvisors.com
<http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd>  <accessD at
databaseadvisors.com <http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd>
>
Subject: [AccessD] Required Field in Function
Date: 02/09/04 12:45
 
 
 I have a function (code below) that is used to append data from a linked
Excel file (xlsBPS). The Excel file is linked to the database as a table.
 There is a column in the Excel file named AssetID - this is a required
field in the database. Yesterday when the user ran the append code the
AssetID was blank in one of the records in the xlsBPS file. This caused all
the records to move up one. For example:
 
 Record 1: AssetID =
             Description: This one
 
 Record 2: AssetID = ABC
             Description: My Name
 
 The results after the append code ran were:
 
 Record 1: AssetID  = ABC
             Description: This one
 
What can I add to the function to check for null fields to ensure the
AssetID is completed, if not, the code does not run? I tried adding a check
(where I added the ***** in the code, but I receive the error, RunTime 424,
Object Required.
 
 Virginia
____________________________________________________________________
 
 Function AppendBPS()
 
 'Appends new data from xlsBPS to tblFailure, tblSystemMain, and
tblFailureTimeSelected.
 
     Beep
 
     Title = &quot;Append new BPS data from Excel&quot;
 
     ' Work Order table import.
 
     Msg = &quot;Your are about to modify data in this database.&quot;
     Msg = Msg &amp; &quot; Do you want to continue?&quot;
     DgDef = vbQuestion + vbYesNo + vbDefaultButton1    ' Describe dialog
box.
 
     Response = MsgBox(Msg, DgDef, Title)    ' Get user response.
     If Response = vbYes Then    ' Evaluate response
 
 ********        If IsNull(xlsBPS.AssetID) Then
*******************************
 *******     MsgBox &quot;Asset ID must be completed before
downloading&quot;
 ********    Cancel = True
 ******* End If
 
         DoCmd.SetWarnings False
 
         DoCmd.Echo False, &quot;Appending Data&quot;
 
         DoCmd.Hourglass True
 
         'Append data to tables
 
         DoCmd.OpenQuery &quot;qry_AppendBPS_tblSystemMain&quot;, acNormal,
acEdit
 'Open append query for tblSystemMain
 
         DoCmd.OpenQuery &quot;qry_AppendBPS_tblFailures&quot;, acNormal,
acEdit 'Open append query for tblFailures
         DoCmd.OpenQuery
&quot;qry_AppendBPS_tblFailureTimeSelected&quot;,acNormal, acEdit 'Open
append query for tblFailureTimeSelected
         DoCmd.Echo False, &quot;Appending new data&quot;
 
         DoCmd.Echo True
         DoCmd.Hourglass False
 
         Beep
 
         MsgBox &quot;All done!&quot;
 
         DoCmd.SetWarnings True
 
         DoCmd.OpenForm &quot;frmSystemFailure&quot;, acNormal,
&quot;qryStatusPending&quot;, , acFormEdit, acWindowNormal
 
     Else
 
        ' You chose No or pressed Enter.
 
     End If
 
 End Function
 
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From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Thu Sep  2 08:48:33 2004
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps - IT Helps)
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 15:48:33 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] A2K3 Import does not work 
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF0ADB68@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

In Access 2003 to import a txt file (CSV)
 
File >Import > change to TXT file > select file and open
Nothing happens. I just come back to the database window.
No error, no import, no nothing!!
 
Same thing in A2K2 (XP) works fine....
 
 

 

Erwin Craps

Zaakvoerder 

www.ithelps.be/jonathan

 

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From cyx5 at cdc.gov  Thu Sep  2 09:08:41 2004
From: cyx5 at cdc.gov (Nicholson, Karen)
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 10:08:41 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Form Resizing Itself
Message-ID: <A5B5AA20555F594BA7B6BD2048E49E43840655@m-niosh-5.niosh.cdc.gov>

I don't think I have worked in A2K (XP).  The funkiest thing is
happening.  I have a frmMainSwitchboard that opens, I do a
DoCmd.Maximize in the on open event.  If I click on a button to open up
another form, leaving frmMainSwitchboard open, when I return to
frmMainSwitchboard it shrinks in size to center itself on the screen.  I
have all the centering stuff turned off.  There is no code that touches
this form from the second code.  What the?  Any ideas, this should be a
simple one.

Karen Nicholson
National Laboratory
Xerox Global Services




From Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com  Thu Sep  2 09:18:33 2004
From: Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com (Hale, Jim)
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 09:18:33 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] Rotating Excel
Message-ID: <6A6AA9DF57E4F046BDA1E273BDDB677217FEB7@corp-es01.fleetpride.com>

For Excel 2000 the limit is:
Worksheet size 65,536 rows by 256 columns 

Jim Hale

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Lawrence (AccessD) [mailto:accessd at shaw.ca]
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 9:55 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Rotating Excel


Hi John:

I believe there is a 1000 column and 65000 row limit to an excel
spreadsheet.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 6:10 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Rotating Excel


I need to export data from this big database into Excel.  The objective = is
to get the FIELD NAMES out with data from about 100 records.  I then = need
to rotate excel such that the field names are down the left side and the =
data for each record runs down vertically, the data for any given field runs
across horizontally.  Can anyone tell me how to rotate the spreadsheet =
such that the field names are down the left side?

I assume that the export MUST go out with the field names across the top
row, and the data below that. =20

Can anyone tell me how to get the entire 600+ fields out in a single =
export? When I try to use dts it works but complains (fails) if I try and
export more than about 240 fields.  It LOOKS LIKE perhaps the length of the
= field names in the first row is confusing Excel.  It is telling me I am =
exceeding the 1000 column limit (or some such)

What I really want to do is export all the columns (about 600) with the
field names in the top row, then rotate the whole shootin match.  Any
assistance on any of this is greatly appreciated.


John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


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From michael.mattys at adelphia.net  Thu Sep  2 09:33:46 2004
From: michael.mattys at adelphia.net (Michael R Mattys)
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 10:33:46 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Form Resizing Itself
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Nicholson, Karen" <cyx5 at cdc.gov>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 10:08 AM
Subject: [AccessD] Form Resizing Itself


I don't think I have worked in A2K (XP).  The funkiest thing is
happening.  I have a frmMainSwitchboard that opens, I do a
DoCmd.Maximize in the on open event.  If I click on a button to open up
another form, leaving frmMainSwitchboard open, when I return to
frmMainSwitchboard it shrinks in size to center itself on the screen.  I
have all the centering stuff turned off.  There is no code that touches
this form from the second code.  What the?  Any ideas, this should be a
simple one.

Karen Nicholson
National Laboratory
Xerox Global Services


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Hi Karen,

Fancy meeting you here!
In the Events of Activate and On Got Focus
put your DoCmd.Maximize also.

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From chizotz at mchsi.com  Thu Sep  2 09:45:06 2004
From: chizotz at mchsi.com (chizotz at mchsi.com)
Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 14:45:06 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Form Resizing Itself
Message-ID: <090220041445.13043.28e4@mchsi.com>

Set the border to a fixed type, that should take care of it.

> I don't think I have worked in A2K (XP).  The funkiest thing is
> happening.  I have a frmMainSwitchboard that opens, I do a
> DoCmd.Maximize in the on open event.  If I click on a button to open up
> another form, leaving frmMainSwitchboard open, when I return to
> frmMainSwitchboard it shrinks in size to center itself on the screen.  I
> have all the centering stuff turned off.  There is no code that touches
> this form from the second code.  What the?  Any ideas, this should be a
> simple one.
> 
> Karen Nicholson
> National Laboratory
> Xerox Global Services
> 
> 
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Thu Sep  2 09:45:17 2004
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (DWUTKA at marlow.com)
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 09:45:17 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] FW: photo editing
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8031BB326@main2.marlow.com>

All NT based machines (as far as I know) come with Imaging.  It's sort of
like paint, but can save as .TIFF files.  It also measures in inches (or you
can change what you units you want).  Should be directly under Accessories
in the program menu.

FYI, I opened a .gif in it, but it wouldn't let me 'edit' anything until I
saved it as a TIFF (or another format).

Drew

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 9:32 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] FW: photo editing


My sister in law is looking for photo editing stuff.  If anyone knows of any
that fits the description in the message below my sig could you reply
directly to me off line or directly to Janice.

Thanks,

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: JMcK110 at aol.com [mailto:JMcK110 at aol.com] 
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 9:00 AM
To: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com
Subject: photo editing


John:
For your type of computer, are you familiar with any non-professional 
software(not Photoshop) that lets you save photos as tiffs and measure
photos in 
inches rather than pixels?

Client is using Microsfot Photo Editor and having lots of trouble with it?

Don't do any research on this question.  I know you're busy.  I'm just 
looking for off the top of your head answer.
Janice



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From Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com  Thu Sep  2 10:11:27 2004
From: Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com (Hale, Jim)
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 10:11:27 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] Required Field in Function
Message-ID: <6A6AA9DF57E4F046BDA1E273BDDB677217FEB8@corp-es01.fleetpride.com>

Maintaining the integrity of data Linked to Excel spreadsheets is often
problematic, since the Excel "databases" are subject to manipulation by the
user (ie. blank cells, changing column headings, inserting rows, text
instead of numbers, etc. One way I reduce these problems is by having a
hidden sheet that is linked to the data input cells/sheets. This sheet can
have a "validation" field (column) with an excel formula that tests for
conditions such as all fields being filled, no text where numbers should be,
etc. If the "record" fails the test the formula result can be whatever code
you wish. Since you can create your own specialized Excel formula these
validation routines can be quite elaborate. When you are reading these Excel
"records" into the Access database you can test for these codes and handle
the record appropriately. Just a thought.
Jim Hale

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From: Hollis,Virginia [mailto:HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 8:28 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Required Field in Function


I removed the Cancel = True, added "Else" after the MsgBox, and moved the
End If to the bottom of the code. But I still receive the RunTime Error 424
Object Required on the If IsNull ... code. Am I missing something else? What
would stop the code from running and what is causing the error?
 
If IsNull(xlsBPS.AssetID) Then
   MsgBox "Asset ID must be completed before downloading"
Else
.......
End If
End If
 
Virginia
________________________________________________________
Virginia
Your test may well be ok but all you're doinmg is setting Cancel=True; you
still carry on and execute the queries. The query execution needs to be on
an Else so that it does not run if the IsNull test is True. Setting
Cancel=True does not stop subsequent code.
 
--
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Subject: [AccessD] Required Field in Function
Date: 02/09/04 12:45
 
 
 I have a function (code below) that is used to append data from a linked
Excel file (xlsBPS). The Excel file is linked to the database as a table.
 There is a column in the Excel file named AssetID - this is a required
field in the database. Yesterday when the user ran the append code the
AssetID was blank in one of the records in the xlsBPS file. This caused all
the records to move up one. For example:
 
 Record 1: AssetID =
             Description: This one
 
 Record 2: AssetID = ABC
             Description: My Name
 
 The results after the append code ran were:
 
 Record 1: AssetID  = ABC
             Description: This one
 
What can I add to the function to check for null fields to ensure the
AssetID is completed, if not, the code does not run? I tried adding a check
(where I added the ***** in the code, but I receive the error, RunTime 424,
Object Required.
 
 Virginia
____________________________________________________________________
 
 Function AppendBPS()
 
 'Appends new data from xlsBPS to tblFailure, tblSystemMain, and
tblFailureTimeSelected.
 
     Beep
 
     Title = &quot;Append new BPS data from Excel&quot;
 
     ' Work Order table import.
 
     Msg = &quot;Your are about to modify data in this database.&quot;
     Msg = Msg &amp; &quot; Do you want to continue?&quot;
     DgDef = vbQuestion + vbYesNo + vbDefaultButton1    ' Describe dialog
box.
 
     Response = MsgBox(Msg, DgDef, Title)    ' Get user response.
     If Response = vbYes Then    ' Evaluate response
 
 ********        If IsNull(xlsBPS.AssetID) Then
*******************************
 *******     MsgBox &quot;Asset ID must be completed before
downloading&quot;
 ********    Cancel = True
 ******* End If
 
         DoCmd.SetWarnings False
 
         DoCmd.Echo False, &quot;Appending Data&quot;
 
         DoCmd.Hourglass True
 
         'Append data to tables
 
         DoCmd.OpenQuery &quot;qry_AppendBPS_tblSystemMain&quot;, acNormal,
acEdit
 'Open append query for tblSystemMain
 
         DoCmd.OpenQuery &quot;qry_AppendBPS_tblFailures&quot;, acNormal,
acEdit 'Open append query for tblFailures
         DoCmd.OpenQuery
&quot;qry_AppendBPS_tblFailureTimeSelected&quot;,acNormal, acEdit 'Open
append query for tblFailureTimeSelected
         DoCmd.Echo False, &quot;Appending new data&quot;
 
         DoCmd.Echo True
         DoCmd.Hourglass False
 
         Beep
 
         MsgBox &quot;All done!&quot;
 
         DoCmd.SetWarnings True
 
         DoCmd.OpenForm &quot;frmSystemFailure&quot;, acNormal,
&quot;qryStatusPending&quot;, , acFormEdit, acWindowNormal
 
     Else
 
        ' You chose No or pressed Enter.
 
     End If
 
 End Function
 
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From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Thu Sep  2 10:12:08 2004
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps - IT Helps)
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 17:12:08 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Reader for .MSG files.
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF0ADB6A@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

Does a simple reader software exist to read, exported from Outlook, .MSG
files?
To read the MSG file without having outlook.
Opening  a attachement in that MSG file must also be posible.
 
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From cyx5 at cdc.gov  Thu Sep  2 10:00:41 2004
From: cyx5 at cdc.gov (Nicholson, Karen)
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 11:00:41 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Form Resizing Itself
Message-ID: <A5B5AA20555F594BA7B6BD2048E49E43840656@m-niosh-5.niosh.cdc.gov>

I set the border to thin and the same thing happened.  Putting the
docmd.maximize on the activate works, but I get the dreaded screen
flicker.  Why does Access decide to go ahead and shrink a form size when
another form is opened?  Aughghghg.

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
chizotz at mchsi.com
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 10:45 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Form Resizing Itself


Set the border to a fixed type, that should take care of it.

> I don't think I have worked in A2K (XP).  The funkiest thing is
> happening.  I have a frmMainSwitchboard that opens, I do a
> DoCmd.Maximize in the on open event.  If I click on a button to open
up
> another form, leaving frmMainSwitchboard open, when I return to
> frmMainSwitchboard it shrinks in size to center itself on the screen.
I
> have all the centering stuff turned off.  There is no code that
touches
> this form from the second code.  What the?  Any ideas, this should be
a
> simple one.
> 
> Karen Nicholson
> National Laboratory
> Xerox Global Services
> 
> 
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu Sep  2 10:42:16 2004
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 08:42:16 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Required Field in Function
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312A19@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Have you declared xlsBPS as an Excel worksheet or is it an attached
Excel "table"?  I would suspect the referencing xlsBPS.AssetID is giving
you the problem.

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Hollis,Virginia [mailto:HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com] 
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 6:28 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Required Field in Function


I removed the Cancel = True, added "Else" after the MsgBox, and moved
the End If to the bottom of the code. But I still receive the RunTime
Error 424 Object Required on the If IsNull ... code. Am I missing
something else? What would stop the code from running and what is
causing the error?
 
If IsNull(xlsBPS.AssetID) Then
   MsgBox "Asset ID must be completed before downloading"
Else
.......
End If
End If
 
Virginia ________________________________________________________
Virginia
Your test may well be ok but all you're doinmg is setting Cancel=True;
you still carry on and execute the queries. The query execution needs to
be on an Else so that it does not run if the IsNull test is True.
Setting Cancel=True does not stop subsequent code.
 
--
Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk <http://www.minstersystems.co.uk> 
 
 
 
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To: accessD at databaseadvisors.com
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databaseadvisors.com
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>
Subject: [AccessD] Required Field in Function
Date: 02/09/04 12:45
 
 
 I have a function (code below) that is used to append data from a
linked Excel file (xlsBPS). The Excel file is linked to the database as
a table.  There is a column in the Excel file named AssetID - this is a
required field in the database. Yesterday when the user ran the append
code the AssetID was blank in one of the records in the xlsBPS file.
This caused all the records to move up one. For example:
 
 Record 1: AssetID =
             Description: This one
 
 Record 2: AssetID = ABC
             Description: My Name
 
 The results after the append code ran were:
 
 Record 1: AssetID  = ABC
             Description: This one
 
What can I add to the function to check for null fields to ensure the
AssetID is completed, if not, the code does not run? I tried adding a
check (where I added the ***** in the code, but I receive the error,
RunTime 424, Object Required.
 
 Virginia
____________________________________________________________________
 
 Function AppendBPS()
 
 'Appends new data from xlsBPS to tblFailure, tblSystemMain, and
tblFailureTimeSelected.
 
     Beep
 
     Title = &quot;Append new BPS data from Excel&quot;
 
     ' Work Order table import.
 
     Msg = &quot;Your are about to modify data in this database.&quot;
     Msg = Msg &amp; &quot; Do you want to continue?&quot;
     DgDef = vbQuestion + vbYesNo + vbDefaultButton1    ' Describe
dialog
box.
 
     Response = MsgBox(Msg, DgDef, Title)    ' Get user response.
     If Response = vbYes Then    ' Evaluate response
 
 ********        If IsNull(xlsBPS.AssetID) Then
*******************************
 *******     MsgBox &quot;Asset ID must be completed before
downloading&quot;
 ********    Cancel = True
 ******* End If
 
         DoCmd.SetWarnings False
 
         DoCmd.Echo False, &quot;Appending Data&quot;
 
         DoCmd.Hourglass True
 
         'Append data to tables
 
         DoCmd.OpenQuery &quot;qry_AppendBPS_tblSystemMain&quot;,
acNormal, acEdit  'Open append query for tblSystemMain
 
         DoCmd.OpenQuery &quot;qry_AppendBPS_tblFailures&quot;,
acNormal, acEdit 'Open append query for tblFailures
         DoCmd.OpenQuery
&quot;qry_AppendBPS_tblFailureTimeSelected&quot;,acNormal, acEdit 'Open
append query for tblFailureTimeSelected
         DoCmd.Echo False, &quot;Appending new data&quot;
 
         DoCmd.Echo True
         DoCmd.Hourglass False
 
         Beep
 
         MsgBox &quot;All done!&quot;
 
         DoCmd.SetWarnings True
 
         DoCmd.OpenForm &quot;frmSystemFailure&quot;, acNormal,
&quot;qryStatusPending&quot;, , acFormEdit, acWindowNormal
 
     Else
 
        ' You chose No or pressed Enter.
 
     End If
 
 End Function
 
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From fhtapia at gmail.com  Thu Sep  2 10:46:56 2004
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 08:46:56 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] JIT Forms?
In-Reply-To: <001701c48f82$95d45ea0$80b3fea9@ColbyM6805>
References: <001701c48f82$95d45ea0$80b3fea9@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <b874372a04090208466b024ab3@mail.gmail.com>

so the idea is to open the form up in design first add the fields? is
that right?

thanks,

On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 13:47:27 -0400, John W. Colby
<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
> You can do that but only in design view.
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Francisco Tapia
> Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 11:46 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] JIT Forms?
> 
> Anyone have a link, or advice on creating controls JIT?
> 
> Access2000 / ADP
> I have an unbound form, that I'd like to pass a recordset to and thus be
> able to on-the-fly create controls that match the recordset... any ideas?
> 
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From HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com  Thu Sep  2 10:47:38 2004
From: HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com (Hollis,Virginia)
Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 10:47:38 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Required Field in Function
Message-ID: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0F53BB39@cntexchange.pgdp.usec.com>

The strangest thing is happening.

I created a query with the linked Excel table xlsBPS and set the criteria to
show AssetID = IsNull. I added the DCount to the function and ran it.

What is strange, when I first created the query and ran the query, it showed
which record contained the Null AssetID. After running the append code, it
does not show this record - the query is blank. I don't understand why it
isn't picking up the Null AssetID record anymore. If I look on the
spreadsheet or open the linked table, that field is Null.

Since the query does not show any records containing Null AssetIDs anymore
(even though there is a null record) it runs the append code.

I also tried having the query open so the user can enter the missing data. I
found out if you enter data into the linked Excel table, it corrupts the
spreadsheet file and gives an error message about not being in a correct
file format.

-----Original Message-----
From: Nancy Lytle [mailto:nlytle at swales.com] 
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 9:59 AM
To: Hollis,Virginia
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Required Field in Function

I've done similiar things.  Anything to control what the user can and can't
do.  If the query is being run from a form and you don't want user in the
actual tables then run the IsNull query then open a form you created based
on that query, once thta have completed that you can have them close or
update the recordset and rerun the IsNull and if it returns 0 records the
run the append query.


Heres some pseudo code

If DCount("*", "qryIsNull) >0 then
Open frmDataEntry
Else
Run AppendQuery
End if

On Open of  frmDataEntry
frmDataEntry.recordsourcetype = "table/query"
frmDataEntry.recordsource = "qryIsNull"

On Close frmDataEntry
Refresh the form to catch all newly entered data
If DCount("*", "qryIsNull) >0 then
"there are still items to correct"
Return them to finish entering
Else
Run AppendQuery
End if

Nancy

-----Original Message-----
From: Hollis,Virginia [mailto:HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 10:45 AM
To: Nancy Lytle
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Required Field in Function


That is fine replying directly, thanks.

That sounds like a good idea; it would show the user exactly what is wrong
too. I will try to play around with that idea. Have you ever tried it?

Va.

-----Original Message-----
From: Nancy Lytle [mailto:nlytle at swales.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 9:41 AM
To: HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Required Field in Function

I couldn't reply on the list so here goes:
I may be off base here but why not have an IsNotNull Criteria in the append,
then a second query to pop up a form for all those where the field is null?
Or do the reverse, have it pop up with all the null fields, require them to
be filled in before the append query can run.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Hollis,Virginia" <HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 9:28 AM
Subject: [AccessD] Required Field in Function


> I removed the Cancel = True, added "Else" after the MsgBox, and moved the
> End If to the bottom of the code. But I still receive the RunTime Error
424
> Object Required on the If IsNull ... code. Am I missing something else?
What
> would stop the code from running and what is causing the error?
>
> If IsNull(xlsBPS.AssetID) Then
>    MsgBox "Asset ID must be completed before downloading"
> Else
> .......
> End If
> End If
>
> Virginia
> ________________________________________________________
> Virginia
> Your test may well be ok but all you're doinmg is setting Cancel=True; you
> still carry on and execute the queries. The query execution needs to be on
> an Else so that it does not run if the IsNull test is True. Setting
> Cancel=True does not stop subsequent code.
>
> --
> Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk <http://www.minstersystems.co.uk>
>
>
>
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> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com
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> To: accessD at databaseadvisors.com
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> databaseadvisors.com
<http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd>
> >
> Subject: [AccessD] Required Field in Function
> Date: 02/09/04 12:45
>
>
>  I have a function (code below) that is used to append data from a linked
> Excel file (xlsBPS). The Excel file is linked to the database as a table.
>  There is a column in the Excel file named AssetID - this is a required
> field in the database. Yesterday when the user ran the append code the
> AssetID was blank in one of the records in the xlsBPS file. This caused
all
> the records to move up one. For example:
>
>  Record 1: AssetID =
>              Description: This one
>
>  Record 2: AssetID = ABC
>              Description: My Name
>
>  The results after the append code ran were:
>
>  Record 1: AssetID  = ABC
>              Description: This one
>
> What can I add to the function to check for null fields to ensure the
> AssetID is completed, if not, the code does not run? I tried adding a
check
> (where I added the ***** in the code, but I receive the error, RunTime
424,
> Object Required.
>
>  Virginia
> ____________________________________________________________________
>
>  Function AppendBPS()
>
>  'Appends new data from xlsBPS to tblFailure, tblSystemMain, and
> tblFailureTimeSelected.
>
>      Beep
>
>      Title = &quot;Append new BPS data from Excel&quot;
>
>      ' Work Order table import.
>
>      Msg = &quot;Your are about to modify data in this database.&quot;
>      Msg = Msg &amp; &quot; Do you want to continue?&quot;
>      DgDef = vbQuestion + vbYesNo + vbDefaultButton1    ' Describe dialog
> box.
>
>      Response = MsgBox(Msg, DgDef, Title)    ' Get user response.
>      If Response = vbYes Then    ' Evaluate response
>
>  ********        If IsNull(xlsBPS.AssetID) Then
> *******************************
>  *******     MsgBox &quot;Asset ID must be completed before
> downloading&quot;
>  ********    Cancel = True
>  ******* End If
>
>          DoCmd.SetWarnings False
>
>          DoCmd.Echo False, &quot;Appending Data&quot;
>
>          DoCmd.Hourglass True
>
>          'Append data to tables
>
>          DoCmd.OpenQuery &quot;qry_AppendBPS_tblSystemMain&quot;,
acNormal,
> acEdit
>  'Open append query for tblSystemMain
>
>          DoCmd.OpenQuery &quot;qry_AppendBPS_tblFailures&quot;, acNormal,
> acEdit 'Open append query for tblFailures
>          DoCmd.OpenQuery
> &quot;qry_AppendBPS_tblFailureTimeSelected&quot;,acNormal, acEdit 'Open
> append query for tblFailureTimeSelected
>          DoCmd.Echo False, &quot;Appending new data&quot;
>
>          DoCmd.Echo True
>          DoCmd.Hourglass False
>
>          Beep
>
>          MsgBox &quot;All done!&quot;
>
>          DoCmd.SetWarnings True
>
>          DoCmd.OpenForm &quot;frmSystemFailure&quot;, acNormal,
> &quot;qryStatusPending&quot;, , acFormEdit, acWindowNormal
>
>      Else
>
>         ' You chose No or pressed Enter.
>
>      End If
>
>  End Function
>
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From HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com  Thu Sep  2 10:48:35 2004
From: HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com (Hollis,Virginia)
Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 10:48:35 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Required Field in Function
Message-ID: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0F53BB3A@cntexchange.pgdp.usec.com>

The xlsBPS is an attached Excel table. It is linked to the Excel
spreadsheet.
 
Virginia
 
_______________________
 
Have you declared xlsBPS as an Excel worksheet or is it an attached
Excel "table"?  I would suspect the referencing xlsBPS.AssetID is giving
you the problem.
 
Charlotte Foust

 



From HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com  Thu Sep  2 10:49:48 2004
From: HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com (Hollis,Virginia)
Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 10:49:48 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Required Field in Function
Message-ID: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0F53BB3B@cntexchange.pgdp.usec.com>

This is what I added:

   If DCount("*", "qryBPSNull") > 0 Then
    MsgBox "Asset ID must be entered"
Else
	Append code.....

-----Original Message-----
From: Hollis,Virginia 
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 10:48 AM
To: 'nlytle at swales.com'; 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Required Field in Function

The strangest thing is happening.

I created a query with the linked Excel table xlsBPS and set the criteria to
show AssetID = IsNull. I added the DCount to the function and ran it.

What is strange, when I first created the query and ran the query, it showed
which record contained the Null AssetID. After running the append code, it
does not show this record - the query is blank. I don't understand why it
isn't picking up the Null AssetID record anymore. If I look on the
spreadsheet or open the linked table, that field is Null.

Since the query does not show any records containing Null AssetIDs anymore
(even though there is a null record) it runs the append code.

I also tried having the query open so the user can enter the missing data. I
found out if you enter data into the linked Excel table, it corrupts the
spreadsheet file and gives an error message about not being in a correct
file format.

-----Original Message-----
From: Nancy Lytle [mailto:nlytle at swales.com] 
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 9:59 AM
To: Hollis,Virginia
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Required Field in Function

I've done similiar things.  Anything to control what the user can and can't
do.  If the query is being run from a form and you don't want user in the
actual tables then run the IsNull query then open a form you created based
on that query, once thta have completed that you can have them close or
update the recordset and rerun the IsNull and if it returns 0 records the
run the append query.


Heres some pseudo code

If DCount("*", "qryIsNull) >0 then
Open frmDataEntry
Else
Run AppendQuery
End if

On Open of  frmDataEntry
frmDataEntry.recordsourcetype = "table/query"
frmDataEntry.recordsource = "qryIsNull"

On Close frmDataEntry
Refresh the form to catch all newly entered data
If DCount("*", "qryIsNull) >0 then
"there are still items to correct"
Return them to finish entering
Else
Run AppendQuery
End if

Nancy

-----Original Message-----
From: Hollis,Virginia [mailto:HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 10:45 AM
To: Nancy Lytle
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Required Field in Function


That is fine replying directly, thanks.

That sounds like a good idea; it would show the user exactly what is wrong
too. I will try to play around with that idea. Have you ever tried it?

Va.

-----Original Message-----
From: Nancy Lytle [mailto:nlytle at swales.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 9:41 AM
To: HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Required Field in Function

I couldn't reply on the list so here goes:
I may be off base here but why not have an IsNotNull Criteria in the append,
then a second query to pop up a form for all those where the field is null?
Or do the reverse, have it pop up with all the null fields, require them to
be filled in before the append query can run.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Hollis,Virginia" <HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 9:28 AM
Subject: [AccessD] Required Field in Function


> I removed the Cancel = True, added "Else" after the MsgBox, and moved the
> End If to the bottom of the code. But I still receive the RunTime Error
424
> Object Required on the If IsNull ... code. Am I missing something else?
What
> would stop the code from running and what is causing the error?
>
> If IsNull(xlsBPS.AssetID) Then
>    MsgBox "Asset ID must be completed before downloading"
> Else
> .......
> End If
> End If
>
> Virginia
> ________________________________________________________
> Virginia
> Your test may well be ok but all you're doinmg is setting Cancel=True; you
> still carry on and execute the queries. The query execution needs to be on
> an Else so that it does not run if the IsNull test is True. Setting
> Cancel=True does not stop subsequent code.
>
> --
> Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk <http://www.minstersystems.co.uk>
>
>
>
> --------- Original Message --------
> From: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> <http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd> >
> To: accessD at databaseadvisors.com
> <http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd>  <accessD at
> databaseadvisors.com
<http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd>
> >
> Subject: [AccessD] Required Field in Function
> Date: 02/09/04 12:45
>
>
>  I have a function (code below) that is used to append data from a linked
> Excel file (xlsBPS). The Excel file is linked to the database as a table.
>  There is a column in the Excel file named AssetID - this is a required
> field in the database. Yesterday when the user ran the append code the
> AssetID was blank in one of the records in the xlsBPS file. This caused
all
> the records to move up one. For example:
>
>  Record 1: AssetID =
>              Description: This one
>
>  Record 2: AssetID = ABC
>              Description: My Name
>
>  The results after the append code ran were:
>
>  Record 1: AssetID  = ABC
>              Description: This one
>
> What can I add to the function to check for null fields to ensure the
> AssetID is completed, if not, the code does not run? I tried adding a
check
> (where I added the ***** in the code, but I receive the error, RunTime
424,
> Object Required.
>
>  Virginia
> ____________________________________________________________________
>
>  Function AppendBPS()
>
>  'Appends new data from xlsBPS to tblFailure, tblSystemMain, and
> tblFailureTimeSelected.
>
>      Beep
>
>      Title = &quot;Append new BPS data from Excel&quot;
>
>      ' Work Order table import.
>
>      Msg = &quot;Your are about to modify data in this database.&quot;
>      Msg = Msg &amp; &quot; Do you want to continue?&quot;
>      DgDef = vbQuestion + vbYesNo + vbDefaultButton1    ' Describe dialog
> box.
>
>      Response = MsgBox(Msg, DgDef, Title)    ' Get user response.
>      If Response = vbYes Then    ' Evaluate response
>
>  ********        If IsNull(xlsBPS.AssetID) Then
> *******************************
>  *******     MsgBox &quot;Asset ID must be completed before
> downloading&quot;
>  ********    Cancel = True
>  ******* End If
>
>          DoCmd.SetWarnings False
>
>          DoCmd.Echo False, &quot;Appending Data&quot;
>
>          DoCmd.Hourglass True
>
>          'Append data to tables
>
>          DoCmd.OpenQuery &quot;qry_AppendBPS_tblSystemMain&quot;,
acNormal,
> acEdit
>  'Open append query for tblSystemMain
>
>          DoCmd.OpenQuery &quot;qry_AppendBPS_tblFailures&quot;, acNormal,
> acEdit 'Open append query for tblFailures
>          DoCmd.OpenQuery
> &quot;qry_AppendBPS_tblFailureTimeSelected&quot;,acNormal, acEdit 'Open
> append query for tblFailureTimeSelected
>          DoCmd.Echo False, &quot;Appending new data&quot;
>
>          DoCmd.Echo True
>          DoCmd.Hourglass False
>
>          Beep
>
>          MsgBox &quot;All done!&quot;
>
>          DoCmd.SetWarnings True
>
>          DoCmd.OpenForm &quot;frmSystemFailure&quot;, acNormal,
> &quot;qryStatusPending&quot;, , acFormEdit, acWindowNormal
>
>      Else
>
>         ' You chose No or pressed Enter.
>
>      End If
>
>  End Function
>
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu Sep  2 10:57:07 2004
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 08:57:07 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Required Field in Function
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312A1B@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Try testing for a zero length as well.

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Hollis,Virginia [mailto:HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com] 
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 8:48 AM
To: nlytle at swales.com; accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Required Field in Function


The strangest thing is happening.

I created a query with the linked Excel table xlsBPS and set the
criteria to show AssetID = IsNull. I added the DCount to the function
and ran it.

What is strange, when I first created the query and ran the query, it
showed which record contained the Null AssetID. After running the append
code, it does not show this record - the query is blank. I don't
understand why it isn't picking up the Null AssetID record anymore. If I
look on the spreadsheet or open the linked table, that field is Null.

Since the query does not show any records containing Null AssetIDs
anymore (even though there is a null record) it runs the append code.

I also tried having the query open so the user can enter the missing
data. I found out if you enter data into the linked Excel table, it
corrupts the spreadsheet file and gives an error message about not being
in a correct file format.

-----Original Message-----
From: Nancy Lytle [mailto:nlytle at swales.com] 
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 9:59 AM
To: Hollis,Virginia
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Required Field in Function

I've done similiar things.  Anything to control what the user can and
can't do.  If the query is being run from a form and you don't want user
in the actual tables then run the IsNull query then open a form you
created based on that query, once thta have completed that you can have
them close or update the recordset and rerun the IsNull and if it
returns 0 records the run the append query.


Heres some pseudo code

If DCount("*", "qryIsNull) >0 then
Open frmDataEntry
Else
Run AppendQuery
End if

On Open of  frmDataEntry
frmDataEntry.recordsourcetype = "table/query" frmDataEntry.recordsource
= "qryIsNull"

On Close frmDataEntry
Refresh the form to catch all newly entered data
If DCount("*", "qryIsNull) >0 then
"there are still items to correct"
Return them to finish entering
Else
Run AppendQuery
End if

Nancy

-----Original Message-----
From: Hollis,Virginia [mailto:HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 10:45 AM
To: Nancy Lytle
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Required Field in Function


That is fine replying directly, thanks.

That sounds like a good idea; it would show the user exactly what is
wrong too. I will try to play around with that idea. Have you ever tried
it?

Va.

-----Original Message-----
From: Nancy Lytle [mailto:nlytle at swales.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 9:41 AM
To: HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Required Field in Function

I couldn't reply on the list so here goes:
I may be off base here but why not have an IsNotNull Criteria in the
append, then a second query to pop up a form for all those where the
field is null? Or do the reverse, have it pop up with all the null
fields, require them to be filled in before the append query can run.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Hollis,Virginia" <HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 9:28 AM
Subject: [AccessD] Required Field in Function


> I removed the Cancel = True, added "Else" after the MsgBox, and moved 
> the End If to the bottom of the code. But I still receive the RunTime 
> Error
424
> Object Required on the If IsNull ... code. Am I missing something 
> else?
What
> would stop the code from running and what is causing the error?
>
> If IsNull(xlsBPS.AssetID) Then
>    MsgBox "Asset ID must be completed before downloading" Else
> .......
> End If
> End If
>
> Virginia ________________________________________________________
> Virginia
> Your test may well be ok but all you're doinmg is setting Cancel=True;
you
> still carry on and execute the queries. The query execution needs to
be on
> an Else so that it does not run if the IsNull test is True. Setting
> Cancel=True does not stop subsequent code.
>
> --
> Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk <http://www.minstersystems.co.uk>
>
>
>
> --------- Original Message --------
> From: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <accessd at 
> databaseadvisors.com 
> <http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd> >
> To: accessD at databaseadvisors.com 
> <http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd>  <accessD at 
> databaseadvisors.com
<http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd>
> >
> Subject: [AccessD] Required Field in Function
> Date: 02/09/04 12:45
>
>
>  I have a function (code below) that is used to append data from a 
> linked Excel file (xlsBPS). The Excel file is linked to the database 
> as a table.  There is a column in the Excel file named AssetID - this 
> is a required field in the database. Yesterday when the user ran the 
> append code the AssetID was blank in one of the records in the xlsBPS 
> file. This caused
all
> the records to move up one. For example:
>
>  Record 1: AssetID =
>              Description: This one
>
>  Record 2: AssetID = ABC
>              Description: My Name
>
>  The results after the append code ran were:
>
>  Record 1: AssetID  = ABC
>              Description: This one
>
> What can I add to the function to check for null fields to ensure the 
> AssetID is completed, if not, the code does not run? I tried adding a
check
> (where I added the ***** in the code, but I receive the error, RunTime
424,
> Object Required.
>
>  Virginia 
> ____________________________________________________________________
>
>  Function AppendBPS()
>
>  'Appends new data from xlsBPS to tblFailure, tblSystemMain, and 
> tblFailureTimeSelected.
>
>      Beep
>
>      Title = &quot;Append new BPS data from Excel&quot;
>
>      ' Work Order table import.
>
>      Msg = &quot;Your are about to modify data in this database.&quot;
>      Msg = Msg &amp; &quot; Do you want to continue?&quot;
>      DgDef = vbQuestion + vbYesNo + vbDefaultButton1    ' Describe
dialog
> box.
>
>      Response = MsgBox(Msg, DgDef, Title)    ' Get user response.
>      If Response = vbYes Then    ' Evaluate response
>
>  ********        If IsNull(xlsBPS.AssetID) Then
> *******************************
>  *******     MsgBox &quot;Asset ID must be completed before
> downloading&quot;
>  ********    Cancel = True
>  ******* End If
>
>          DoCmd.SetWarnings False
>
>          DoCmd.Echo False, &quot;Appending Data&quot;
>
>          DoCmd.Hourglass True
>
>          'Append data to tables
>
>          DoCmd.OpenQuery &quot;qry_AppendBPS_tblSystemMain&quot;,
acNormal,
> acEdit
>  'Open append query for tblSystemMain
>
>          DoCmd.OpenQuery &quot;qry_AppendBPS_tblFailures&quot;, 
> acNormal, acEdit 'Open append query for tblFailures
>          DoCmd.OpenQuery 
> &quot;qry_AppendBPS_tblFailureTimeSelected&quot;,acNormal, acEdit 
> 'Open append query for tblFailureTimeSelected
>          DoCmd.Echo False, &quot;Appending new data&quot;
>
>          DoCmd.Echo True
>          DoCmd.Hourglass False
>
>          Beep
>
>          MsgBox &quot;All done!&quot;
>
>          DoCmd.SetWarnings True
>
>          DoCmd.OpenForm &quot;frmSystemFailure&quot;, acNormal, 
> &quot;qryStatusPending&quot;, , acFormEdit, acWindowNormal
>
>      Else
>
>         ' You chose No or pressed Enter.
>
>      End If
>
>  End Function
>
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Sep  2 10:54:01 2004
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 17:54:01 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Reader for .MSG files.
In-Reply-To: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF0ADB6A@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
References: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF0ADB6A@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
Message-ID: <17233231223.20040902175401@cactus.dk>

Hi Erwin

"The Bat!" from RitLabs can import msg and eml files.

/gustav


> Does a simple reader software exist to read, exported from Outlook, .MSG
> files?
> To read the MSG file without having outlook.
> Opening  a attachement in that MSG file must also be posible.



From dwaters at usinternet.com  Thu Sep  2 11:05:22 2004
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 11:05:22 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Firefox opens two windows
In-Reply-To: <25115780.1094091514866.JavaMail.root@sniper5.usinternet.com>
Message-ID: <000d01c49106$a718fb00$de1811d8@danwaters>

Hi Francisco,

I patched version 9.2 so I would guess that 9.3 doesn't have that problem.

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Francisco Tapia
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 9:06 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Firefox opens two windows

which version of firefox?, I'm running 9.3 and have not seen this problem.

On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 20:20:03 -0400, John W. Colby
<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
> Can anyone point me to why suddenly FireFox is opening TWO browser windows
> whenever I open any link, as in an email or such?  More importantly, how
to
> fix it.
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Francisco Tapia
> Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 8:02 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Every 100th record
> 
> For the record I think it was me who applied the term VLDB to his db :D.
> Even thow I've been my dept's DBA for the last 3 years, I have not run
into
> any company database that touches the Millions of records, the only tables
> that I have that contain a near enough number of consequential tables,
> (auditing)
> 
> On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 19:32:55 -0400, Arthur Fuller <artful at rogers.com>
wrote:
> > Just to put things in perspective, JC, the first client of the people
> > who developed MySQL had 60M rows in their principal table. There are
> > lots of apps way bigger than that. I once had a client that was adding
> > 10M rows per month to the table of concern (this was an app recording
> > seismic activity from several hundred meters). I must caution you that
> > you should not use the term VLDB as loosely as you have been using it.
> > You don't know the meaning of VLDB -- not yet at least. You're
> > beginning to appreciate the turf, however. Once I bid on a project
> > that had 100M rows each containing a graphic file. Not to say that
> > size is everything, but IMO VLDB comprises at least a TB, and often
> > many hundreds of TBs.
> 
> --
> -Francisco
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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Thu Sep  2 11:09:19 2004
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 11:09:19 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] FW: photo editing
In-Reply-To: <18804565.1094138878520.JavaMail.root@sniper12.usinternet.com>
Message-ID: <000e01c49107$33fc2e20$de1811d8@danwaters>

Drew,

I believe you are talking about Kodak Imaging, which was a nice program.  It
was available in W2K, but not in WXP.  I read somewhere that Kodak and MS
has a falling out.  I searched MS for information, and was directed to a
link which was a third party who provided similar software for about
$100/seat.  

Rats!

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of DWUTKA at marlow.com
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 9:45 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] FW: photo editing

All NT based machines (as far as I know) come with Imaging.  It's sort of
like paint, but can save as .TIFF files.  It also measures in inches (or you
can change what you units you want).  Should be directly under Accessories
in the program menu.

FYI, I opened a .gif in it, but it wouldn't let me 'edit' anything until I
saved it as a TIFF (or another format).

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 9:32 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] FW: photo editing


My sister in law is looking for photo editing stuff.  If anyone knows of any
that fits the description in the message below my sig could you reply
directly to me off line or directly to Janice.

Thanks,

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: JMcK110 at aol.com [mailto:JMcK110 at aol.com] 
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 9:00 AM
To: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com
Subject: photo editing


John:
For your type of computer, are you familiar with any non-professional 
software(not Photoshop) that lets you save photos as tiffs and measure
photos in 
inches rather than pixels?

Client is using Microsfot Photo Editor and having lots of trouble with it?

Don't do any research on this question.  I know you're busy.  I'm just 
looking for off the top of your head answer.
Janice



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From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com  Thu Sep  2 11:21:55 2004
From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 12:21:55 -0400 
Subject: [AccessD] Reader for .MSG files.
Message-ID: <1D7828CDB8350747AFE9D69E0E90DA1F02D08898@xlivmbx21.aig.com>

Did a quick Google search and came up with this...

http://www.thebeatlesforever.com/processtext/abcoutlk.html


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> Helps
> Sent:	Thursday, September 02, 2004 11:12 AM
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> Subject:	[AccessD] Reader for .MSG files.
> 
> Does a simple reader software exist to read, exported from Outlook, .MSG
> files?
> To read the MSG file without having outlook.
> Opening  a attachement in that MSG file must also be posible.
>  
> Erwin
>  
>  
> 
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From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com  Thu Sep  2 12:04:12 2004
From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark S. (Newport News))
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 13:04:12 -0400 
Subject: [AccessD] Access & AutoCAD
Message-ID: <BA209D7D3A20BE499AB726E4ED7A6DA1FCB6FA@nprdex02.nns.com>

...so I'm guessing I'm the only one in this unique position:(((


Mark





-----Original Message-----
From: Mitsules, Mark 
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 5:42 PM
To: [AccessD]
Subject: [AccessD] Access & AutoCAD


Has anyone tackled this combination?  There is ONE example in the AutoCAD
samples folder.  There is ONE book that I found regarding database
connectivity (circa 1999).  ...and a DISTINCT lack of web-based material as
far as I can tell:(  I would be most appreciative for pointers towards any
of the following: recent books (AutoCAD 2002 or later), web-based tutorials,
web-based examples, personal examples, cave paintings...anything.

Thanks in advance for any/all information.

Mark
Conversely, I am willing to pay $40 to anyone willing to take the AutoCAD
help files and develop a booklet within the next 2 weeks, including a table
of contents, that will allow me to chronologically work my way through a
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From john at winhaven.net  Thu Sep  2 12:30:29 2004
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 12:30:29 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access & AutoCAD
In-Reply-To: <BA209D7D3A20BE499AB726E4ED7A6DA1FCB6FA@nprdex02.nns.com>
Message-ID: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIGELAFNAA.john@winhaven.net>

Mark,
Are you trying to use automation between the two or are you trying to use
access as a database for Autocad Attributes?

John B.

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Mitsules, Mark
S. (Newport News)
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 12:04 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access & AutoCAD


...so I'm guessing I'm the only one in this unique position:(((


Mark





-----Original Message-----
From: Mitsules, Mark
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 5:42 PM
To: [AccessD]
Subject: [AccessD] Access & AutoCAD


Has anyone tackled this combination?  There is ONE example in the AutoCAD
samples folder.  There is ONE book that I found regarding database
connectivity (circa 1999).  ...and a DISTINCT lack of web-based material as
far as I can tell:(  I would be most appreciative for pointers towards any
of the following: recent books (AutoCAD 2002 or later), web-based tutorials,
web-based examples, personal examples, cave paintings...anything.

Thanks in advance for any/all information.

Mark
Conversely, I am willing to pay $40 to anyone willing to take the AutoCAD
help files and develop a booklet within the next 2 weeks, including a table
of contents, that will allow me to chronologically work my way through a
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From markamatte at hotmail.com  Thu Sep  2 12:50:59 2004
From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte)
Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 17:50:59 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Form Resizing Itself
Message-ID: <BAY1-F41lbJMa0JpIGR00071105@hotmail.com>

I might be mistaken...but I thought if you had multple foms/windows open in 
Access...and you closed one...the next one to get focus would have the same 
setting(maximized/restored) as the one that closed...unless you handle it in 
the events.

An easy way to show this...open 2 seperate forms...and maximize each of 
them...navigating them by using the toolbar/window button.  Even maximize 
the db window...if you close 1...then the next window that has focus will 
still be maximized...but if you were to click the restore button on the form 
that had focus...it would restore ALL open forms.

I know this happens in A97 and A2K...not sure about xp...and not sure if 
this behavior is controlled by a setting...or just the way things are.

Thanks,

Mark A. Matte




>From: "Nicholson, Karen" <cyx5 at cdc.gov>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving"<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Form Resizing Itself
>Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 11:00:41 -0400
>
>I set the border to thin and the same thing happened.  Putting the
>docmd.maximize on the activate works, but I get the dreaded screen
>flicker.  Why does Access decide to go ahead and shrink a form size when
>another form is opened?  Aughghghg.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
>chizotz at mchsi.com
>Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 10:45 AM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Form Resizing Itself
>
>
>Set the border to a fixed type, that should take care of it.
>
> > I don't think I have worked in A2K (XP).  The funkiest thing is
> > happening.  I have a frmMainSwitchboard that opens, I do a
> > DoCmd.Maximize in the on open event.  If I click on a button to open
>up
> > another form, leaving frmMainSwitchboard open, when I return to
> > frmMainSwitchboard it shrinks in size to center itself on the screen.
>I
> > have all the centering stuff turned off.  There is no code that
>touches
> > this form from the second code.  What the?  Any ideas, this should be
>a
> > simple one.
> >
> > Karen Nicholson
> > National Laboratory
> > Xerox Global Services
> >
> >
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From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com  Thu Sep  2 12:51:28 2004
From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark S. (Newport News))
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 13:51:28 -0400 
Subject: [AccessD] Access & AutoCAD
Message-ID: <BA209D7D3A20BE499AB726E4ED7A6DA1FCB6FB@nprdex02.nns.com>

Both.  First project is our departmental floor plan which will include ALL
of the attributes for personnel and equipment.  Later projects will build
BOM drawings in AutoCAD dynamically.  Concurrently with those, I would like
to develop an automation process which monitors a network folder, and when a
new drawing is placed there, automatically extract certain drawing
attributes, log them into a database, and create a .dwf format version for
intranet publication.


Mark


-----Original Message-----
From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net] 
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 1:30 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access & AutoCAD


Mark,
Are you trying to use automation between the two or are you trying to use
access as a database for Autocad Attributes?

John B.

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Mitsules, Mark
S. (Newport News)
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 12:04 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access & AutoCAD


...so I'm guessing I'm the only one in this unique position:(((


Mark





-----Original Message-----
From: Mitsules, Mark
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 5:42 PM
To: [AccessD]
Subject: [AccessD] Access & AutoCAD


Has anyone tackled this combination?  There is ONE example in the AutoCAD
samples folder.  There is ONE book that I found regarding database
connectivity (circa 1999).  ...and a DISTINCT lack of web-based material as
far as I can tell:(  I would be most appreciative for pointers towards any
of the following: recent books (AutoCAD 2002 or later), web-based tutorials,
web-based examples, personal examples, cave paintings...anything.

Thanks in advance for any/all information.

Mark
Conversely, I am willing to pay $40 to anyone willing to take the AutoCAD
help files and develop a booklet within the next 2 weeks, including a table
of contents, that will allow me to chronologically work my way through a
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From markamatte at hotmail.com  Thu Sep  2 12:58:05 2004
From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte)
Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 17:58:05 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Required Field in Function
Message-ID: <BAY1-F8VQAiEGKROptz0001cdfe@hotmail.com>


Just a thought...but could you code the db to import the excel file 'as is' 
each time...and then prompt your user to fill the nulls locally?

Thanks,

Mark A. Matte

>From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving"<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Required Field in Function
>Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 08:57:07 -0700
>
>Try testing for a zero length as well.
>
>Charlotte Foust
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Hollis,Virginia [mailto:HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com]
>Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 8:48 AM
>To: nlytle at swales.com; accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Required Field in Function
>
>
>The strangest thing is happening.
>
>I created a query with the linked Excel table xlsBPS and set the
>criteria to show AssetID = IsNull. I added the DCount to the function
>and ran it.
>
>What is strange, when I first created the query and ran the query, it
>showed which record contained the Null AssetID. After running the append
>code, it does not show this record - the query is blank. I don't
>understand why it isn't picking up the Null AssetID record anymore. If I
>look on the spreadsheet or open the linked table, that field is Null.
>
>Since the query does not show any records containing Null AssetIDs
>anymore (even though there is a null record) it runs the append code.
>
>I also tried having the query open so the user can enter the missing
>data. I found out if you enter data into the linked Excel table, it
>corrupts the spreadsheet file and gives an error message about not being
>in a correct file format.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Nancy Lytle [mailto:nlytle at swales.com]
>Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 9:59 AM
>To: Hollis,Virginia
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Required Field in Function
>
>I've done similiar things.  Anything to control what the user can and
>can't do.  If the query is being run from a form and you don't want user
>in the actual tables then run the IsNull query then open a form you
>created based on that query, once thta have completed that you can have
>them close or update the recordset and rerun the IsNull and if it
>returns 0 records the run the append query.
>
>
>Heres some pseudo code
>
>If DCount("*", "qryIsNull) >0 then
>Open frmDataEntry
>Else
>Run AppendQuery
>End if
>
>On Open of  frmDataEntry
>frmDataEntry.recordsourcetype = "table/query" frmDataEntry.recordsource
>= "qryIsNull"
>
>On Close frmDataEntry
>Refresh the form to catch all newly entered data
>If DCount("*", "qryIsNull) >0 then
>"there are still items to correct"
>Return them to finish entering
>Else
>Run AppendQuery
>End if
>
>Nancy
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Hollis,Virginia [mailto:HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com]
>Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 10:45 AM
>To: Nancy Lytle
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Required Field in Function
>
>
>That is fine replying directly, thanks.
>
>That sounds like a good idea; it would show the user exactly what is
>wrong too. I will try to play around with that idea. Have you ever tried
>it?
>
>Va.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Nancy Lytle [mailto:nlytle at swales.com]
>Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 9:41 AM
>To: HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Required Field in Function
>
>I couldn't reply on the list so here goes:
>I may be off base here but why not have an IsNotNull Criteria in the
>append, then a second query to pop up a form for all those where the
>field is null? Or do the reverse, have it pop up with all the null
>fields, require them to be filled in before the append query can run.
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Hollis,Virginia" <HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com>
>To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 9:28 AM
>Subject: [AccessD] Required Field in Function
>
>
> > I removed the Cancel = True, added "Else" after the MsgBox, and moved
> > the End If to the bottom of the code. But I still receive the RunTime
> > Error
>424
> > Object Required on the If IsNull ... code. Am I missing something
> > else?
>What
> > would stop the code from running and what is causing the error?
> >
> > If IsNull(xlsBPS.AssetID) Then
> >    MsgBox "Asset ID must be completed before downloading" Else
> > .......
> > End If
> > End If
> >
> > Virginia ________________________________________________________
> > Virginia
> > Your test may well be ok but all you're doinmg is setting Cancel=True;
>you
> > still carry on and execute the queries. The query execution needs to
>be on
> > an Else so that it does not run if the IsNull test is True. Setting
> > Cancel=True does not stop subsequent code.
> >
> > --
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> > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk <http://www.minstersystems.co.uk>
> >
> >
> >
> > --------- Original Message --------
> > From: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <accessd at
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> > <http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd> >
> > To: accessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > <http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd>  <accessD at
> > databaseadvisors.com
><http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd>
> > >
> > Subject: [AccessD] Required Field in Function
> > Date: 02/09/04 12:45
> >
> >
> >  I have a function (code below) that is used to append data from a
> > linked Excel file (xlsBPS). The Excel file is linked to the database
> > as a table.  There is a column in the Excel file named AssetID - this
> > is a required field in the database. Yesterday when the user ran the
> > append code the AssetID was blank in one of the records in the xlsBPS
> > file. This caused
>all
> > the records to move up one. For example:
> >
> >  Record 1: AssetID =
> >              Description: This one
> >
> >  Record 2: AssetID = ABC
> >              Description: My Name
> >
> >  The results after the append code ran were:
> >
> >  Record 1: AssetID  = ABC
> >              Description: This one
> >
> > What can I add to the function to check for null fields to ensure the
> > AssetID is completed, if not, the code does not run? I tried adding a
>check
> > (where I added the ***** in the code, but I receive the error, RunTime
>424,
> > Object Required.
> >
> >  Virginia
> > ____________________________________________________________________
> >
> >  Function AppendBPS()
> >
> >  'Appends new data from xlsBPS to tblFailure, tblSystemMain, and
> > tblFailureTimeSelected.
> >
> >      Beep
> >
> >      Title = &quot;Append new BPS data from Excel&quot;
> >
> >      ' Work Order table import.
> >
> >      Msg = &quot;Your are about to modify data in this database.&quot;
> >      Msg = Msg &amp; &quot; Do you want to continue?&quot;
> >      DgDef = vbQuestion + vbYesNo + vbDefaultButton1    ' Describe
>dialog
> > box.
> >
> >      Response = MsgBox(Msg, DgDef, Title)    ' Get user response.
> >      If Response = vbYes Then    ' Evaluate response
> >
> >  ********        If IsNull(xlsBPS.AssetID) Then
> > *******************************
> >  *******     MsgBox &quot;Asset ID must be completed before
> > downloading&quot;
> >  ********    Cancel = True
> >  ******* End If
> >
> >          DoCmd.SetWarnings False
> >
> >          DoCmd.Echo False, &quot;Appending Data&quot;
> >
> >          DoCmd.Hourglass True
> >
> >          'Append data to tables
> >
> >          DoCmd.OpenQuery &quot;qry_AppendBPS_tblSystemMain&quot;,
>acNormal,
> > acEdit
> >  'Open append query for tblSystemMain
> >
> >          DoCmd.OpenQuery &quot;qry_AppendBPS_tblFailures&quot;,
> > acNormal, acEdit 'Open append query for tblFailures
> >          DoCmd.OpenQuery
> > &quot;qry_AppendBPS_tblFailureTimeSelected&quot;,acNormal, acEdit
> > 'Open append query for tblFailureTimeSelected
> >          DoCmd.Echo False, &quot;Appending new data&quot;
> >
> >          DoCmd.Echo True
> >          DoCmd.Hourglass False
> >
> >          Beep
> >
> >          MsgBox &quot;All done!&quot;
> >
> >          DoCmd.SetWarnings True
> >
> >          DoCmd.OpenForm &quot;frmSystemFailure&quot;, acNormal,
> > &quot;qryStatusPending&quot;, , acFormEdit, acWindowNormal
> >
> >      Else
> >
> >         ' You chose No or pressed Enter.
> >
> >      End If
> >
> >  End Function
> >
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From James at fcidms.com  Thu Sep  2 13:53:52 2004
From: James at fcidms.com (James Barash)
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 14:53:52 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Rotating Excel
In-Reply-To: <001101c48fc0$747cdf50$80b3fea9@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <200409021853.OAA04105@kittybird.bcentralhost.com>

John:

Excel has a absolute maximum of 256 columns (1 byte of addressing) so you
cannot directly export any more than that. You are also limited to 65,536
rows but that shouldn't be an issue. While you could export and transpose
256 columns at a time, you are probably better off doing the whole thing in
code: create an excel sheet with 101 columns of text, extract the field
names and write them to the first column, then extract and write the 100
rows to the rest of the columns. I have some code that does something like
this I've used to create cross-tab reports in excel if you'd like.

James Barash

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 9:10 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Rotating Excel

I need to export data from this big database into Excel.  The objective = is
to get the FIELD NAMES out with data from about 100 records.  I then = need
to rotate excel such that the field names are down the left side and the =
data for each record runs down vertically, the data for any given field runs
across horizontally.  Can anyone tell me how to rotate the spreadsheet =
such that the field names are down the left side?

I assume that the export MUST go out with the field names across the top
row, and the data below that. =20

Can anyone tell me how to get the entire 600+ fields out in a single =
export? When I try to use dts it works but complains (fails) if I try and
export more than about 240 fields.  It LOOKS LIKE perhaps the length of the
= field names in the first row is confusing Excel.  It is telling me I am =
exceeding the 1000 column limit (or some such)

What I really want to do is export all the columns (about 600) with the
field names in the top row, then rotate the whole shootin match.  Any
assistance on any of this is greatly appreciated.


John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


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From Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com  Thu Sep  2 14:17:16 2004
From: Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com (Hale, Jim)
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 14:17:16 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] Rotating Excel
Message-ID: <6A6AA9DF57E4F046BDA1E273BDDB677217FEBA@corp-es01.fleetpride.com>

One way to do it would be to create a pivot table with the column heading
field on the left. It could be created from within Excel linking to the
Access table or from within Access using code.
Jim Hale

-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 8:10 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Rotating Excel


I need to export data from this big database into Excel.  The objective = is
to get the FIELD NAMES out with data from about 100 records.  I then = need
to rotate excel such that the field names are down the left side and the =
data for each record runs down vertically, the data for any given field runs
across horizontally.  Can anyone tell me how to rotate the spreadsheet =
such that the field names are down the left side?

I assume that the export MUST go out with the field names across the top
row, and the data below that. =20

Can anyone tell me how to get the entire 600+ fields out in a single =
export? When I try to use dts it works but complains (fails) if I try and
export more than about 240 fields.  It LOOKS LIKE perhaps the length of the
= field names in the first row is confusing Excel.  It is telling me I am =
exceeding the 1000 column limit (or some such)

What I really want to do is export all the columns (about 600) with the
field names in the top row, then rotate the whole shootin match.  Any
assistance on any of this is greatly appreciated.


John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Thu Sep  2 14:53:31 2004
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (DWUTKA at marlow.com)
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 14:53:31 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] FW: photo editing
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8031BB328@main2.marlow.com>

I think your right.  I know it was in NT 4.0, and I know it's on W2k, didn't
know it wasn't on XP.  That stinks.

Drew

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Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 11:09 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] FW: photo editing


Drew,

I believe you are talking about Kodak Imaging, which was a nice program.  It
was available in W2K, but not in WXP.  I read somewhere that Kodak and MS
has a falling out.  I searched MS for information, and was directed to a
link which was a third party who provided similar software for about
$100/seat.  

Rats!

Dan

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of DWUTKA at marlow.com
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 9:45 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] FW: photo editing

All NT based machines (as far as I know) come with Imaging.  It's sort of
like paint, but can save as .TIFF files.  It also measures in inches (or you
can change what you units you want).  Should be directly under Accessories
in the program menu.

FYI, I opened a .gif in it, but it wouldn't let me 'edit' anything until I
saved it as a TIFF (or another format).

Drew

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 9:32 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] FW: photo editing


My sister in law is looking for photo editing stuff.  If anyone knows of any
that fits the description in the message below my sig could you reply
directly to me off line or directly to Janice.

Thanks,

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: JMcK110 at aol.com [mailto:JMcK110 at aol.com] 
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 9:00 AM
To: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com
Subject: photo editing


John:
For your type of computer, are you familiar with any non-professional 
software(not Photoshop) that lets you save photos as tiffs and measure
photos in 
inches rather than pixels?

Client is using Microsfot Photo Editor and having lots of trouble with it?

Don't do any research on this question.  I know you're busy.  I'm just 
looking for off the top of your head answer.
Janice



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From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Sep  2 16:22:39 2004
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence (AccessD))
Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 14:22:39 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] The Very very big DB
In-Reply-To: <002c01c490a0$40f98d00$80b3fea9@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <FJEJLIPOMCGJALMGLLLIAEEDCGAA.accessd@shaw.ca>

Hi John:

I have sent along your problem(s) to a friend who has some extensive work in
various SQL DBS to see if he had any comments. He found the whole scenario
very intriguing and then sent this email:

<email>
With the OLAP layout, are we looking at a central table with basic person
info (pivot table) surrounded by a bunch of "fact tables", as follows?

         /* the "pivot" table */
         person
                 person_id
                 person_name
                 (maybe a few more fundamental attributes)

         /* the "fact" tables (possibly hundreds of these) */
         address
                 person_id
                 street
                 city
                 zip_code
                 etc.

         education
                 person_id
                 highest_level_reached
                 specialty
                 etc.

         etc. (ad nauseum)

Or, is our friend planning to put it all in one table with 600 columns?

Either way, I would be interested in trying the following, which is close
to what I was doing in Calgary.  I am not quite sure how well the server
will handle it, but it does offer some advantages:

         /* pivot table */
         person
                 person_id
                 person_name

         info_tags
                 info_tag        /* primary key, e.g., "address", "phone
number", "edu_highest_level" etc. */
                 info_description /* a long description for the tag */
                 is_required     /* whether this is a required or optional
tag */
                 info_class      /* text, number, money etc (for use with
validation and display stuff) */
                 etc.

         /* fact table */
         person_info
                 person_id       /* foreign key -> person */
                 info_tag        /* foreign key -> info_tags */
                 info            /* the actual info, stored as a general
type (I forget what this is called in SQL server) */

Notice a few things about this design:
         - There is only one fact table.  This is both a blessing and a
curse.
           The blessing:
                 - It can be sparsely populated; only the attributes that
apply to a given person need be filled in.  No nulls to deal with.
                 - New tags can be added on the fly, because they are simply
metadata.
                 - very simple to understand the schema, and to query for
any combination of tags your heart desires.
                 - a max of three indexes required on the fact table; one of
these can be a clustered index.

           The curse:
                 - the table is humungous: potentially, 60 million x 600 =
36 billion records.
                   This will make for some pretty slow index builds, and
painfully slow table
                   scans.  The key to success will be queries that avoid
table scans.

BTW, the potential benefits of using Cache to do this would be many:  the
resulting data compression and much easier index management, along with a
big increase in speed.  Very easy distribution across multiple physical
databases and processors.  As for the cost, it depends on the number of
access seats that are required.  I was surprised at how reasonably priced
these guys are.  In many situations, they are way cheaper than SQL server.
When we spoke to them, we were going to get licences at $US200 per seat.
There enterprise licence was $US500 / seat.  This included full networking
of multiple databases - much easier to do than with SQL server.  At the end
of the day, especially if you consider the hardware and screwing-around
costs, much cheaper than SQL server...
</email>

Hope this provides some useful information.
Jim



From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Thu Sep  2 19:10:07 2004
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 17:10:07 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] A2K3 Import does not work
References: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF0ADB68@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
Message-ID: <4137B65F.4010408@shaw.ca>

Works fine for me with either csv or txt extension
Are you sure you are highlighting filename before clicking import
It even works if you doubleclick on filename.
Maybe text driver is not installed.

Erwin Craps - IT Helps wrote:

>In Access 2003 to import a txt file (CSV)
> 
>File >Import > change to TXT file > select file and open
>Nothing happens. I just come back to the database window.
>No error, no import, no nothing!!
> 
>Same thing in A2K2 (XP) works fine....
> 
> 
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From john at winhaven.net  Thu Sep  2 23:01:10 2004
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 23:01:10 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access & AutoCAD
In-Reply-To: <BA209D7D3A20BE499AB726E4ED7A6DA1FCB6FB@nprdex02.nns.com>
Message-ID: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIEELFFNAA.john@winhaven.net>

Mark,
I'm assuming, you are probably being driven by another department which
already has or has decided to use AutoCad. If not have you considered doing
this with Visio? I've seen similar building/equipment projects done iwth
Visio automation.

Sorry I can't be of any help on this - the scope of it is far beyond my
experience with AutoCad. What I do know is that this will project take a lot
of enthusiam, time, endurance and patience - Good Luck!

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Mitsules, Mark
S. (Newport News)
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 12:51 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access & AutoCAD


Both.  First project is our departmental floor plan which will include ALL
of the attributes for personnel and equipment.  Later projects will build
BOM drawings in AutoCAD dynamically.  Concurrently with those, I would like
to develop an automation process which monitors a network folder, and when a
new drawing is placed there, automatically extract certain drawing
attributes, log them into a database, and create a .dwf format version for
intranet publication.


Mark


-----Original Message-----
From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 1:30 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access & AutoCAD


Mark,
Are you trying to use automation between the two or are you trying to use
access as a database for Autocad Attributes?

John B.

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Mitsules, Mark
S. (Newport News)
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 12:04 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access & AutoCAD


...so I'm guessing I'm the only one in this unique position:(((


Mark





-----Original Message-----
From: Mitsules, Mark
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 5:42 PM
To: [AccessD]
Subject: [AccessD] Access & AutoCAD


Has anyone tackled this combination?  There is ONE example in the AutoCAD
samples folder.  There is ONE book that I found regarding database
connectivity (circa 1999).  ...and a DISTINCT lack of web-based material as
far as I can tell:(  I would be most appreciative for pointers towards any
of the following: recent books (AutoCAD 2002 or later), web-based tutorials,
web-based examples, personal examples, cave paintings...anything.

Thanks in advance for any/all information.

Mark
Conversely, I am willing to pay $40 to anyone willing to take the AutoCAD
help files and develop a booklet within the next 2 weeks, including a table
of contents, that will allow me to chronologically work my way through a
project.
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From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Fri Sep  3 01:40:09 2004
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps - IT Helps)
Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 08:40:09 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Reader for .MSG files.
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF0ADB6F@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

Well thats an E-mail client...

The problem is that the company is not allowed to install another E-mail
client than Notes.

And it really must be a simple viewer like The Access Snapshot viewer
(for example).
Just by doubleclicking on the .MSG file the content must displayed and
the Excel file in the .MSG file can be opened directly like in
outlook...

But thx anyway

Erwin
 

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 5:54 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Reader for .MSG files.

Hi Erwin

"The Bat!" from RitLabs can import msg and eml files.

/gustav


> Does a simple reader software exist to read, exported from Outlook, 
> .MSG files?
> To read the MSG file without having outlook.
> Opening  a attachement in that MSG file must also be posible.

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From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com  Thu Sep  2 10:11:34 2004
From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 11:11:34 -0400 
Subject: [AccessD] Form Resizing Itself
Message-ID: <1D7828CDB8350747AFE9D69E0E90DA1F02D08894@xlivmbx21.aig.com>

This happens in all versions of access and indeed all MDI applications. 

If you want to keep the first form maximized either issue a DomCmd.Mazimize
in the form's Activate event or open the other forms in pop-up mode.

Lambert

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> From:	accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [SMTP:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Nicholson, Karen
> Sent:	Thursday, September 02, 2004 10:09 AM
> To:	accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject:	[AccessD] Form Resizing Itself
> 
> I don't think I have worked in A2K (XP).  The funkiest thing is
> happening.  I have a frmMainSwitchboard that opens, I do a
> DoCmd.Maximize in the on open event.  If I click on a button to open up
> another form, leaving frmMainSwitchboard open, when I return to
> frmMainSwitchboard it shrinks in size to center itself on the screen.  I
> have all the centering stuff turned off.  There is no code that touches
> this form from the second code.  What the?  Any ideas, this should be a
> simple one.
> 
> Karen Nicholson
> National Laboratory
> Xerox Global Services
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From thevigil at kabelfoon.nl  Fri Sep  3 03:32:44 2004
From: thevigil at kabelfoon.nl (Bert-Jan Brinkhuis)
Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 10:32:44 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Columns with composite data
References: <9C382E065F54AE48BC3AA7925DCBB01C0103E29C@karta-exc-int.Karta.com>
Message-ID: <00d601c49190$9c7a5ec0$3f412d3e@jester>

Hi Jim,

you have probably tried this, but you didn't mention it (and i didn't test
if it is working for you!) but have you tried a page footer? Or maybe a
group footer?

HTH

Bert-Jan

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim Hewson" <JHewson at karta.com>
To: "AccessD" <accessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 5:15 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Columns with composite data



Just curious if anyone has done this before.
I created a report with four columns.  The columns run down, then across.
The fourth column of page 3 is about half way down the page in length.
Is it possible to use the remainder of the column space for a composite
data?
E.g. total number of records or something similar.
If put in the Report footer, a new page is generated.
I currently put such information in the Report Header.

Thanks,

Jim



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From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Fri Sep  3 04:38:34 2004
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps - IT Helps)
Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 11:38:34 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] A2K3 Import does not work
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF0ADB73@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

Yeah I'm sure.

Select file, click open.
The first time I see in the status bar "preparing import wizards"
(translated from dutch) very fast disapearing and nothing happens, I'm
back in the database window.

XLS files don't work neither.
MDB works, dont know for others type.

I do have A2K, A2K2 and A2K3 on my computer...


Erwin



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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 2:10 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K3 Import does not work

Works fine for me with either csv or txt extension Are you sure you are
highlighting filename before clicking import It even works if you
doubleclick on filename.
Maybe text driver is not installed.

Erwin Craps - IT Helps wrote:

>In Access 2003 to import a txt file (CSV)
> 
>File >Import > change to TXT file > select file and open Nothing 
>happens. I just come back to the database window.
>No error, no import, no nothing!!
> 
>Same thing in A2K2 (XP) works fine....
> 
> 
>
> 
>
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>
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From cyx5 at cdc.gov  Fri Sep  3 06:09:05 2004
From: cyx5 at cdc.gov (Nicholson, Karen)
Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 07:09:05 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Form Resizing Itself
Message-ID: <A5B5AA20555F594BA7B6BD2048E49E43840659@m-niosh-5.niosh.cdc.gov>

I do issue a docmd.maximize on both the on open and activate for the
first switchboard form.  When a button is clicked to open the next form,
also in maximized state, the switchboard resizes itself, so when I
return it is small - until I put the on activate maximize.  I don't like
the momentary flicker that occurs as the first form re-maximizes.  But,
I suppose that is life?  I don't remember Access doing this before.  It
has been about a year and a half since I worked in Access, though.  And
I am so happy to be back having fun.  Spent a year and a half doing SQL
development.  This database is front end Access and back end SQL.
Someday to be upped to VB.net/ASP.net after I get the design fixed,
which should take a few months.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan,
Lambert
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 11:12 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; Nicholson, Karen
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Form Resizing Itself


This happens in all versions of access and indeed all MDI applications. 

If you want to keep the first form maximized either issue a
DomCmd.Mazimize
in the form's Activate event or open the other forms in pop-up mode.

Lambert

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [SMTP:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Nicholson,
Karen
> Sent:	Thursday, September 02, 2004 10:09 AM
> To:	accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject:	[AccessD] Form Resizing Itself
> 
> I don't think I have worked in A2K (XP).  The funkiest thing is
> happening.  I have a frmMainSwitchboard that opens, I do a
> DoCmd.Maximize in the on open event.  If I click on a button to open
up
> another form, leaving frmMainSwitchboard open, when I return to
> frmMainSwitchboard it shrinks in size to center itself on the screen.
I
> have all the centering stuff turned off.  There is no code that
touches
> this form from the second code.  What the?  Any ideas, this should be
a
> simple one.
> 
> Karen Nicholson
> National Laboratory
> Xerox Global Services
> 
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From awithing at twcny.rr.com  Fri Sep  3 06:43:22 2004
From: awithing at twcny.rr.com (augusta withington)
Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 07:43:22 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access & AutoCAD
In-Reply-To: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIEELFFNAA.john@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <200409031145.i83BjLZw015552@ms-smtp-01.nyroc.rr.com>

I remember researching this same question for a client - they wanted to take
the drawings they had for the local schools and integrate with a database
each room, how lightbulbs, exits -Facilities Management-. . .etc. It was a
NYS requirement.  There is a different product that AutoDesk makes that
addresses this. I think that it is called MapGIde. What also works is
ARCView and Microstation. 

Hth Augusta


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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 12:01 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access & AutoCAD

Mark,
I'm assuming, you are probably being driven by another department which
already has or has decided to use AutoCad. If not have you considered doing
this with Visio? I've seen similar building/equipment projects done iwth
Visio automation.

Sorry I can't be of any help on this - the scope of it is far beyond my
experience with AutoCad. What I do know is that this will project take a lot
of enthusiam, time, endurance and patience - Good Luck!

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Mitsules, Mark
S. (Newport News)
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 12:51 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access & AutoCAD


Both.  First project is our departmental floor plan which will include ALL
of the attributes for personnel and equipment.  Later projects will build
BOM drawings in AutoCAD dynamically.  Concurrently with those, I would like
to develop an automation process which monitors a network folder, and when a
new drawing is placed there, automatically extract certain drawing
attributes, log them into a database, and create a .dwf format version for
intranet publication.


Mark


-----Original Message-----
From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 1:30 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access & AutoCAD


Mark,
Are you trying to use automation between the two or are you trying to use
access as a database for Autocad Attributes?

John B.

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Mitsules, Mark
S. (Newport News)
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 12:04 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access & AutoCAD


...so I'm guessing I'm the only one in this unique position:(((


Mark





-----Original Message-----
From: Mitsules, Mark
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 5:42 PM
To: [AccessD]
Subject: [AccessD] Access & AutoCAD


Has anyone tackled this combination?  There is ONE example in the AutoCAD
samples folder.  There is ONE book that I found regarding database
connectivity (circa 1999).  ...and a DISTINCT lack of web-based material as
far as I can tell:(  I would be most appreciative for pointers towards any
of the following: recent books (AutoCAD 2002 or later), web-based tutorials,
web-based examples, personal examples, cave paintings...anything.

Thanks in advance for any/all information.

Mark
Conversely, I am willing to pay $40 to anyone willing to take the AutoCAD
help files and develop a booklet within the next 2 weeks, including a table
of contents, that will allow me to chronologically work my way through a
project.
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From JHewson at karta.com  Fri Sep  3 08:09:53 2004
From: JHewson at karta.com (Jim Hewson)
Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 08:09:53 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Columns with composite data
Message-ID: <9C382E065F54AE48BC3AA7925DCBB01C0103E2D5@karta-exc-int.Karta.com>

Bert-Jan,
I tried both.  The page footer gave me "#error" on each page.
The group footer gave me a total for each record.  
But... that got me to thinking -- after your email, I might add.
In the query, I created a field ( CNT: IIf(IsNull(LastName),1,0) ) so all the results would be the same.  I then created the group footer using the name of the new field.  It worked!  I now have the Total at the bottom of the last column.
Thanks.
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Bert-Jan
Brinkhuis
Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 3:33 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Columns with composite data


Hi Jim,

you have probably tried this, but you didn't mention it (and i didn't test
if it is working for you!) but have you tried a page footer? Or maybe a
group footer?

HTH

Bert-Jan

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From: "Jim Hewson" <JHewson at karta.com>
To: "AccessD" <accessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 5:15 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Columns with composite data



Just curious if anyone has done this before.
I created a report with four columns.  The columns run down, then across.
The fourth column of page 3 is about half way down the page in length.
Is it possible to use the remainder of the column space for a composite
data?
E.g. total number of records or something similar.
If put in the Report footer, a new page is generated.
I currently put such information in the Report Header.

Thanks,

Jim



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From gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Sep  3 10:24:29 2004
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 17:24:29 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Remote Desktop Connection Client 1.0.2 for Mac OS X
In-Reply-To: <6826407592.20040827181338@cactus.dk>
References: <6826407592.20040827181338@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <15718612102.20040903172429@cactus.dk>

Hi all

No comments on this?
Looks like an easy way to bring your app to the desktop of a Mac user.

/gustav


> Anyone having experiences with this, running Access or anything else?

> http://www.microsoft.com/mac/downloads.aspx?pid=download&location=/mac/DOWNLOAD/MISC/RDC.xml&secid=80&ssid=9&flgnosysreq=False

> If connecting to a Terminal Server what are the licensing for this
> for, say, 10 users? What that be a Windows 2003 server with 10 CALs?



From john at winhaven.net  Fri Sep  3 10:46:39 2004
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 10:46:39 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access & AutoCAD
In-Reply-To: <200409031145.i83BjLZw015552@ms-smtp-01.nyroc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJCEGFHIAA.john@winhaven.net>

Hi Augusta
Good point - there are a number of Facility Mgt packages (that ride on top
of Microstation and or Autocad) that would probably do this out of the box.
We used quite a few add-ons for engineering, surveying, plat mapping,
hydrography, etc. All functions that you could build yourself but the time
would have been more than the cost of the packages.

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of augusta
withington
Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 6:43 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access & AutoCAD


I remember researching this same question for a client - they wanted to take
the drawings they had for the local schools and integrate with a database
each room, how lightbulbs, exits -Facilities Management-. . .etc. It was a
NYS requirement.  There is a different product that AutoDesk makes that
addresses this. I think that it is called MapGIde. What also works is
ARCView and Microstation.

Hth Augusta


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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 12:01 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access & AutoCAD

Mark,
I'm assuming, you are probably being driven by another department which
already has or has decided to use AutoCad. If not have you considered doing
this with Visio? I've seen similar building/equipment projects done iwth
Visio automation.

Sorry I can't be of any help on this - the scope of it is far beyond my
experience with AutoCad. What I do know is that this will project take a lot
of enthusiam, time, endurance and patience - Good Luck!

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Mitsules, Mark
S. (Newport News)
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 12:51 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access & AutoCAD


Both.  First project is our departmental floor plan which will include ALL
of the attributes for personnel and equipment.  Later projects will build
BOM drawings in AutoCAD dynamically.  Concurrently with those, I would like
to develop an automation process which monitors a network folder, and when a
new drawing is placed there, automatically extract certain drawing
attributes, log them into a database, and create a .dwf format version for
intranet publication.


Mark


-----Original Message-----
From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 1:30 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access & AutoCAD


Mark,
Are you trying to use automation between the two or are you trying to use
access as a database for Autocad Attributes?

John B.

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Mitsules, Mark
S. (Newport News)
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 12:04 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access & AutoCAD


...so I'm guessing I'm the only one in this unique position:(((


Mark





-----Original Message-----
From: Mitsules, Mark
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 5:42 PM
To: [AccessD]
Subject: [AccessD] Access & AutoCAD


Has anyone tackled this combination?  There is ONE example in the AutoCAD
samples folder.  There is ONE book that I found regarding database
connectivity (circa 1999).  ...and a DISTINCT lack of web-based material as
far as I can tell:(  I would be most appreciative for pointers towards any
of the following: recent books (AutoCAD 2002 or later), web-based tutorials,
web-based examples, personal examples, cave paintings...anything.

Thanks in advance for any/all information.

Mark
Conversely, I am willing to pay $40 to anyone willing to take the AutoCAD
help files and develop a booklet within the next 2 weeks, including a table
of contents, that will allow me to chronologically work my way through a
project.
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From Paul at PStrauss.net  Fri Sep  3 12:52:41 2004
From: Paul at PStrauss.net (Paul Strauss)
Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2004 13:52:41 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Form Resizing Itself
In-Reply-To: <A5B5AA20555F594BA7B6BD2048E49E43840659@m-niosh-5.niosh.cdc .gov>
References: <A5B5AA20555F594BA7B6BD2048E49E43840659@m-niosh-5.niosh.cdc.gov>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20040903134839.02239418@mail.pstrauss.net>

At 9/3/2004 07:09 AM, you wrote:
>I do issue a docmd.maximize on both the on open and activate for the
>first switchboard form.  When a button is clicked to open the next form,
>also in maximized state, the switchboard resizes itself, so when I
>return it is small - until I put the on activate maximize.  I don't like
>the momentary flicker that occurs as the first form re-maximizes.  But,
>I suppose that is life?  ...snip

Try enclosing the DoCmd.Maximize in Echo Off/Echo On. This sometimes helps 
this kind of problem.


Regards,
Paul Strauss




From cyx5 at cdc.gov  Fri Sep  3 14:15:48 2004
From: cyx5 at cdc.gov (Nicholson, Karen)
Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 15:15:48 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] VB Menus - Creating Function for Actions?
Message-ID: <A5B5AA20555F594BA7B6BD2048E49E4384B40C@m-niosh-5.niosh.cdc.gov>

I am coding my custom menus for many forms.  From what I have read, it
seems that in order to process an .OnAction, one needs to create a
function that can be reference inside of, for instance:

.Caption = "Tracking Sheet - Approval Applications"
.OnAction = "fnOpenTrackingSystemCL"

Do I really need to create functions to execute something as simple as:
DoCmd.OpenForm "frmTrackingSystemCL", acNormal
DoCmd.Maximize
(which is in the function fnOpenTrackingSystemCL)

Show below is my code for the menu item; there are a few modules
associated with this code to make it work, but this is the bulk of it:


Sub CreateNewMenuB()
  
    Dim strMenuNameB As String
    Dim cmdNewMenuB As CommandBar
    Dim cctlFormMenuB As CommandBarControl
    Dim cctlExitMenuB As CommandBarControl
        
    strMenuNameB = "ClosedProjectsMenu"
    
    'If strMenuName exists then deleted it. Commandbars have unique
names.
    'See global section for fIsCreated
    
    If fIsCreated(strMenuNameB) Then
        Application.CommandBars(strMenuNameB).Delete
    End If
        
    'Create a new Commandbar as MenuType
    
    Set cmdNewMenuB = Application.CommandBars.Add(strMenuNameB,
msoBarTop, True, False)
    
    With cmdNewMenuB
        'Set commandbar protection to no protection so users can change
it
        .Protection = msoBarNoProtection
        'Show new menu
        .Visible = True
    End With
       
    'Creating Form menu
    
    Set cctlFormMenuB = cmdNewMenuB.Controls.Add(msoControlPopup)
    cctlFormMenuB.Caption = "&File"
    
    'Creating Exit menu under File
    
    Set cctlExitMenuB = cctlFormMenuB.Controls.Add(msoControlButton)
    With cctlExitMenuB
        .Caption = "R&eturn"
        .OnAction = "fnQuitApp"
        .Caption = "Tracking Sheet - Approval Applications"
        .OnAction = "fnOpenTrackingSystemCL"
    End With
      
End Sub

Karen Nicholson
National Laboratory
Xerox Global Services




From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Sep  3 14:31:58 2004
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2004 15:31:58 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] JIT Forms?
In-Reply-To: <b874372a04090208466b024ab3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000001c491ec$b123a870$80b3fea9@ColbyM6805>

Well... The thing to understand is that a control is nothing more than VB
code.  You can export a form to text and see the vb code used to create it.
Thus when you add a control to a form you are literally adding code to the
form's module except that you are doing so via the design wizard.  You can
add code to the module directly, but it has to be in design view.

I have never done this, but I know the concept.  I have done manipulation of
code in the modules before.  I would advise looking at the form's vba to see
what you need to do.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Francisco Tapia
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 11:47 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] JIT Forms?


so the idea is to open the form up in design first add the fields? is that
right?

thanks,

On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 13:47:27 -0400, John W. Colby
<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
> You can do that but only in design view.
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Francisco 
> Tapia
> Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 11:46 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] JIT Forms?
> 
> Anyone have a link, or advice on creating controls JIT?
> 
> Access2000 / ADP
> I have an unbound form, that I'd like to pass a recordset to and thus 
> be able to on-the-fly create controls that match the recordset... any 
> ideas?
> 
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri Sep  3 15:00:00 2004
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 13:00:00 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] VB Menus - Creating Function for Actions?
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312A27@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Yes.  You need to create either functions or macros for custom actions
in the menubars.

Charlotte


-----Original Message-----
From: Nicholson, Karen [mailto:cyx5 at cdc.gov] 
Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 12:16 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] VB Menus - Creating Function for Actions?


I am coding my custom menus for many forms.  From what I have read, it
seems that in order to process an .OnAction, one needs to create a
function that can be reference inside of, for instance:

.Caption = "Tracking Sheet - Approval Applications"
.OnAction = "fnOpenTrackingSystemCL"

Do I really need to create functions to execute something as simple as:
DoCmd.OpenForm "frmTrackingSystemCL", acNormal DoCmd.Maximize (which is
in the function fnOpenTrackingSystemCL)

Show below is my code for the menu item; there are a few modules
associated with this code to make it work, but this is the bulk of it:


Sub CreateNewMenuB()
  
    Dim strMenuNameB As String
    Dim cmdNewMenuB As CommandBar
    Dim cctlFormMenuB As CommandBarControl
    Dim cctlExitMenuB As CommandBarControl
        
    strMenuNameB = "ClosedProjectsMenu"
    
    'If strMenuName exists then deleted it. Commandbars have unique
names.
    'See global section for fIsCreated
    
    If fIsCreated(strMenuNameB) Then
        Application.CommandBars(strMenuNameB).Delete
    End If
        
    'Create a new Commandbar as MenuType
    
    Set cmdNewMenuB = Application.CommandBars.Add(strMenuNameB,
msoBarTop, True, False)
    
    With cmdNewMenuB
        'Set commandbar protection to no protection so users can change
it
        .Protection = msoBarNoProtection
        'Show new menu
        .Visible = True
    End With
       
    'Creating Form menu
    
    Set cctlFormMenuB = cmdNewMenuB.Controls.Add(msoControlPopup)
    cctlFormMenuB.Caption = "&File"
    
    'Creating Exit menu under File
    
    Set cctlExitMenuB = cctlFormMenuB.Controls.Add(msoControlButton)
    With cctlExitMenuB
        .Caption = "R&eturn"
        .OnAction = "fnQuitApp"
        .Caption = "Tracking Sheet - Approval Applications"
        .OnAction = "fnOpenTrackingSystemCL"
    End With
      
End Sub

Karen Nicholson
National Laboratory
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri Sep  3 15:03:17 2004
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 13:03:17 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] JIT Forms?
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312A28@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Look at the Application.CreateControl method for creating controls from
code.  If you want code behind that control, you need to add that to the
form's module and set the control's named event to "[event procedure]"
to connect them.

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 12:32 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] JIT Forms?


Well... The thing to understand is that a control is nothing more than
VB code.  You can export a form to text and see the vb code used to
create it. Thus when you add a control to a form you are literally
adding code to the form's module except that you are doing so via the
design wizard.  You can add code to the module directly, but it has to
be in design view.

I have never done this, but I know the concept.  I have done
manipulation of code in the modules before.  I would advise looking at
the form's vba to see what you need to do.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Francisco
Tapia
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 11:47 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] JIT Forms?


so the idea is to open the form up in design first add the fields? is
that right?

thanks,

On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 13:47:27 -0400, John W. Colby
<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
> You can do that but only in design view.
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Francisco
> Tapia
> Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 11:46 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] JIT Forms?
> 
> Anyone have a link, or advice on creating controls JIT?
> 
> Access2000 / ADP
> I have an unbound form, that I'd like to pass a recordset to and thus
> be able to on-the-fly create controls that match the recordset... any 
> ideas?
> 
> --
> -Francisco
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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Fri Sep  3 15:00:00 2004
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 15:00:00 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] VB Menus - Creating Function for Actions?
In-Reply-To: <14123085.1094239780007.JavaMail.root@sniper7.usinternet.com>
Message-ID: <001b01c491f0$9875c4d0$de1811d8@danwaters>

Hello Karen,

I've only done this once with custom menus, but I did use an argument in the
Function.  For example, 

OnAction is =StatusChange("Green")

There are three items on the menu, Red, Yellow, and Green.  They each call
the same Function, but the action is dictated by the argument.

In the Function, set up a Select Case scenario, and you've gone from three
functions to one.

HTH!
Dan Waters

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Nicholson, Karen
Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 2:16 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] VB Menus - Creating Function for Actions?

I am coding my custom menus for many forms.  From what I have read, it
seems that in order to process an .OnAction, one needs to create a
function that can be reference inside of, for instance:

.Caption = "Tracking Sheet - Approval Applications"
.OnAction = "fnOpenTrackingSystemCL"

Do I really need to create functions to execute something as simple as:
DoCmd.OpenForm "frmTrackingSystemCL", acNormal
DoCmd.Maximize
(which is in the function fnOpenTrackingSystemCL)

Show below is my code for the menu item; there are a few modules
associated with this code to make it work, but this is the bulk of it:


Sub CreateNewMenuB()
  
    Dim strMenuNameB As String
    Dim cmdNewMenuB As CommandBar
    Dim cctlFormMenuB As CommandBarControl
    Dim cctlExitMenuB As CommandBarControl
        
    strMenuNameB = "ClosedProjectsMenu"
    
    'If strMenuName exists then deleted it. Commandbars have unique
names.
    'See global section for fIsCreated
    
    If fIsCreated(strMenuNameB) Then
        Application.CommandBars(strMenuNameB).Delete
    End If
        
    'Create a new Commandbar as MenuType
    
    Set cmdNewMenuB = Application.CommandBars.Add(strMenuNameB,
msoBarTop, True, False)
    
    With cmdNewMenuB
        'Set commandbar protection to no protection so users can change
it
        .Protection = msoBarNoProtection
        'Show new menu
        .Visible = True
    End With
       
    'Creating Form menu
    
    Set cctlFormMenuB = cmdNewMenuB.Controls.Add(msoControlPopup)
    cctlFormMenuB.Caption = "&File"
    
    'Creating Exit menu under File
    
    Set cctlExitMenuB = cctlFormMenuB.Controls.Add(msoControlButton)
    With cctlExitMenuB
        .Caption = "R&eturn"
        .OnAction = "fnQuitApp"
        .Caption = "Tracking Sheet - Approval Applications"
        .OnAction = "fnOpenTrackingSystemCL"
    End With
      
End Sub

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Xerox Global Services


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From mikedorism at adelphia.net  Fri Sep  3 15:07:53 2004
From: mikedorism at adelphia.net (Mike & Doris Manning)
Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 16:07:53 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] VB Menus - Creating Function for Actions?
In-Reply-To: <A5B5AA20555F594BA7B6BD2048E49E4384B40C@m-niosh-5.niosh.cdc.gov>
Message-ID: <000001c491f1$b2cfdf90$cb0ba845@hargrove.internal>

I'm afraid so.

Doris Manning
Database Administrator
Hargrove Inc.
www.hargroveinc.com


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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Nicholson, Karen
Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 3:16 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] VB Menus - Creating Function for Actions?


I am coding my custom menus for many forms.  From what I have read, it seems
that in order to process an .OnAction, one needs to create a function that
can be reference inside of, for instance:

.Caption = "Tracking Sheet - Approval Applications"
.OnAction = "fnOpenTrackingSystemCL"

Do I really need to create functions to execute something as simple as:
DoCmd.OpenForm "frmTrackingSystemCL", acNormal DoCmd.Maximize (which is in
the function fnOpenTrackingSystemCL)

Show below is my code for the menu item; there are a few modules associated
with this code to make it work, but this is the bulk of it:


Sub CreateNewMenuB()
  
    Dim strMenuNameB As String
    Dim cmdNewMenuB As CommandBar
    Dim cctlFormMenuB As CommandBarControl
    Dim cctlExitMenuB As CommandBarControl
        
    strMenuNameB = "ClosedProjectsMenu"
    
    'If strMenuName exists then deleted it. Commandbars have unique names.
    'See global section for fIsCreated
    
    If fIsCreated(strMenuNameB) Then
        Application.CommandBars(strMenuNameB).Delete
    End If
        
    'Create a new Commandbar as MenuType
    
    Set cmdNewMenuB = Application.CommandBars.Add(strMenuNameB,
msoBarTop, True, False)
    
    With cmdNewMenuB
        'Set commandbar protection to no protection so users can change it
        .Protection = msoBarNoProtection
        'Show new menu
        .Visible = True
    End With
       
    'Creating Form menu
    
    Set cctlFormMenuB = cmdNewMenuB.Controls.Add(msoControlPopup)
    cctlFormMenuB.Caption = "&File"
    
    'Creating Exit menu under File
    
    Set cctlExitMenuB = cctlFormMenuB.Controls.Add(msoControlButton)
    With cctlExitMenuB
        .Caption = "R&eturn"
        .OnAction = "fnQuitApp"
        .Caption = "Tracking Sheet - Approval Applications"
        .OnAction = "fnOpenTrackingSystemCL"
    End With
      
End Sub

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From fhtapia at gmail.com  Fri Sep  3 16:04:53 2004
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 14:04:53 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] JIT Forms?
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312A28@infoserver01.infostat.local>
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312A28@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <b874372a04090314048558218@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for the tip...  I suppose this is something could not be done
in an MDE/ADE environment if it requires that the form be opened in
Design view...


On Fri, 3 Sep 2004 13:03:17 -0700, Charlotte Foust
<cfoust at infostatsystems.com> wrote:
> Look at the Application.CreateControl method for creating controls from
> code.  If you want code behind that control, you need to add that to the
> form's module and set the control's named event to "[event procedure]"
> to connect them.
> 
> Charlotte Foust
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
> Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 12:32 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] JIT Forms?
> 
> Well... The thing to understand is that a control is nothing more than
> VB code.  You can export a form to text and see the vb code used to
> create it. Thus when you add a control to a form you are literally
> adding code to the form's module except that you are doing so via the
> design wizard.  You can add code to the module directly, but it has to
> be in design view.
> 
> I have never done this, but I know the concept.  I have done
> manipulation of code in the modules before.  I would advise looking at
> the form's vba to see what you need to do.
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Francisco
> Tapia
> Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 11:47 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] JIT Forms?
> 
> so the idea is to open the form up in design first add the fields? is
> that right?
> 
> thanks,
> 
> On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 13:47:27 -0400, John W. Colby
> <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
> > You can do that but only in design view.
> >
> > John W. Colby
> > www.ColbyConsulting.com
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Francisco
> > Tapia
> > Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 11:46 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: [AccessD] JIT Forms?
> >
> > Anyone have a link, or advice on creating controls JIT?
> >
> > Access2000 / ADP
> > I have an unbound form, that I'd like to pass a recordset to and thus
> > be able to on-the-fly create controls that match the recordset... any
> > ideas?
> >
> > --
> > -Francisco
> > --
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Sep  3 16:12:32 2004
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2004 17:12:32 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] JIT Forms?
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312A28@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <000301c491fa$be80cc60$80b3fea9@ColbyM6805>

Charlotte,

Do you know if this works at runtime or only at design time?

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 4:03 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] JIT Forms?


Look at the Application.CreateControl method for creating controls from
code.  If you want code behind that control, you need to add that to the
form's module and set the control's named event to "[event procedure]" to
connect them.

Charlotte Foust





From Lambert.Heenan at aig.com  Wed Sep  1 15:57:50 2004
From: Lambert.Heenan at aig.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 16:57:50 -0400 
Subject: [AccessD] Prompt after Form loads
Message-ID: <1D7828CDB8350747AFE9D69E0E90DA1F02D0888E@xlivmbx21.aig.com>

The Activate event should do the trick, you just need to keep tack of how
many times it fires. I just tried this out with a form/subform setup, and
the following code seems to work just fine

Private Sub Form_Activate()
 Static lngLoaded As Long
    lngLoaded = lngLoaded + 1
    DoEvents
    If lngLoaded > 1 Then MsgBox "Hello " 
End Sub

The DoEvents does not seem to be necessary, but I thought I'd put it in
anyway. 

What I found was that the entire form and subform was displayed with the
exception of some controls on the form which have statements like this...

=Count([cFaceAmount])

... in their control source property.

This was Access 97

Lambert

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [SMTP:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Francisco Tapia
> Sent:	Wednesday, September 01, 2004 3:04 PM
> To:	Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject:	Re: [AccessD] Prompt after Form loads
> 
> I know but if I use the OnCurrent Event, it fires before the form is
> even drawn up on the screen, I have code in the Form_Load event, and
> added a simple "TEST" messagebox to the OnCurrent Event, and found
> that it does not FIRE after the form is visible, instead the user will
> be prompted IF they want to OverRide data w/ Defaults before they can
> read the data, the Timmer control helps to avoid this.... :(
> 
> The code in the Form_Load Event opens recordsets to load into the
> primary form, calls a subform and listbox to load.  When it ends, I'd
> figure that the form would display but it does not. OnCurrent and
> OnActivate also fire before the form is visible... so it appears that
> the only solution is to leave this on the OnTimer event.
> 
> On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 19:59:41 +0200, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
> > Hi Francisco
> > 
> > It's not quite the same.
> > The counter counts to one, then runs your code.
> > No Timer fiddling.
> > 
> > /gustav
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > > just the same I did it as a boolean static
> > 
> > > so
> > > Static blnINIT As Boolean
> > > IF blnINIT = FALSE then
> > >    <code>
> > >     blnINIT = TRUE
> > > Endif
> > 
> > > On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 19:11:43 +0200, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk>
> wrote:
> > >> Hi Francisco
> > >>
> > >> > Why a counter?
> > >>
> > >> Form loads => 1
> > >> Form hits current first time => 2
> > >>
> > >> So:
> > >>
> > >>   If lngCounter = 2 then
> > >>     <your code>
> > >>   End If
> > >>   lngCounter = lngCounter + 1
> > >>
> > >> /gustav
> > >>
> > >> >> But replace the Boolean with a counter: one, two ...
> > 
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Fri Sep  3 19:05:51 2004
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sat, 04 Sep 2004 10:05:51 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Reader for .MSG files.
In-Reply-To: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF0ADB6F@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
Message-ID: <4139937F.2086.1CF024@lexacorp.com.pg>

On 3 Sep 2004 at 8:40, Erwin Craps - IT Helps wrote:

> And it really must be a simple viewer like The Access Snapshot viewer
> (for example).
> Just by doubleclicking on the .MSG file the content must displayed and
> the Excel file in the .MSG file can be opened directly like in
> outlook...
> 

Take a look at

http://www.priasoft.com/products_msg_v.asp
"MSG File Viewer is a convenient application for opening MSG files and 
reading, printing, or viewing the attachments within. MSG Viewer also has a 
lightning fast search utility to allow you to find MSG files that meet 
specific attributes and then open them in the Viewer."

-- 
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri Sep  3 19:09:00 2004
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 17:09:00 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] JIT Forms?
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312A29@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Nope.  I've used it in a development environment to build survey forms,
but I can't imagine a way to do it in an MDE/ADE.

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Francisco Tapia [mailto:fhtapia at gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 2:05 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] JIT Forms?


Thanks for the tip...  I suppose this is something could not be done in
an MDE/ADE environment if it requires that the form be opened in Design
view...


On Fri, 3 Sep 2004 13:03:17 -0700, Charlotte Foust
<cfoust at infostatsystems.com> wrote:
> Look at the Application.CreateControl method for creating controls 
> from code.  If you want code behind that control, you need to add that

> to the form's module and set the control's named event to "[event 
> procedure]" to connect them.
> 
> Charlotte Foust
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
> Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 12:32 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] JIT Forms?
> 
> Well... The thing to understand is that a control is nothing more than

> VB code.  You can export a form to text and see the vb code used to 
> create it. Thus when you add a control to a form you are literally 
> adding code to the form's module except that you are doing so via the 
> design wizard.  You can add code to the module directly, but it has to

> be in design view.
> 
> I have never done this, but I know the concept.  I have done 
> manipulation of code in the modules before.  I would advise looking at

> the form's vba to see what you need to do.
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Francisco 
> Tapia
> Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 11:47 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] JIT Forms?
> 
> so the idea is to open the form up in design first add the fields? is 
> that right?
> 
> thanks,
> 
> On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 13:47:27 -0400, John W. Colby 
> <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
> > You can do that but only in design view.
> >
> > John W. Colby
> > www.ColbyConsulting.com
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Francisco

> > Tapia
> > Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 11:46 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: [AccessD] JIT Forms?
> >
> > Anyone have a link, or advice on creating controls JIT?
> >
> > Access2000 / ADP
> > I have an unbound form, that I'd like to pass a recordset to and 
> > thus be able to on-the-fly create controls that match the 
> > recordset... any ideas?
> >
> > --
> > -Francisco
> > --
> > _______________________________________________
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> >
> 
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri Sep  3 19:09:59 2004
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 17:09:59 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] JIT Forms?
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312A2A@infoserver01.infostat.local>

I've only used it at design time, so I can't say.  I don't suppose it's
all that different from changing the paper size at run time.

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 2:13 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] JIT Forms?


Charlotte,

Do you know if this works at runtime or only at design time?

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 4:03 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] JIT Forms?


Look at the Application.CreateControl method for creating controls from
code.  If you want code behind that control, you need to add that to the
form's module and set the control's named event to "[event procedure]"
to connect them.

Charlotte Foust



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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Sep  3 20:18:05 2004
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2004 21:18:05 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: 200g hd for $60 After rebate.
Message-ID: <000001c4921d$0c9f9b70$80b3fea9@ColbyM6805>


http://shop1.outpost.com/product/4008252

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 




From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Sep  3 21:14:40 2004
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2004 22:14:40 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] XP SP2 Applied
Message-ID: <000101c49224$f2ecf530$80b3fea9@ColbyM6805>

My Emachines M6805 laptop just applied the XP SP2 with no apparent problems.
Had to turn off Windows firewall (again) after the install.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 




From fhtapia at gmail.com  Fri Sep  3 22:55:54 2004
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 20:55:54 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT: 200g hd for $60 After rebate.
In-Reply-To: <000001c4921d$0c9f9b70$80b3fea9@ColbyM6805>
References: <000001c4921d$0c9f9b70$80b3fea9@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <b874372a04090320551430efae@mail.gmail.com>

smoking deal!!!!


On Fri, 03 Sep 2004 21:18:05 -0400, John W. Colby
<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
> 
> http://shop1.outpost.com/product/4008252
> 
> John W. Colby
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From Lambert.Heenan at aig.com  Wed Sep  1 12:04:09 2004
From: Lambert.Heenan at aig.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 13:04:09 -0400 
Subject: [AccessD] Prompt after Form loads
Message-ID: <1D7828CDB8350747AFE9D69E0E90DA1F02D0888A@xlivmbx21.aig.com>

If you want to be *sure* that the timer event will not fire again then set
the timer interval to zero.

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [SMTP:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Francisco Tapia
> Sent:	Wednesday, September 01, 2004 12:29 PM
> To:	Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject:	Re: [AccessD] Prompt after Form loads
> 
> On Timmer w/ a static variable is what I ended up using (plus after it
> fires I shoot the timer interval to 2hrs (more than enough time)  so
> it hopefully won't fire again until after their session is done.
> 
> On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 08:41:20 -0700, Francisco Tapia <fhtapia at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Just tried it and the OnCurrent event also fires before the form is
> > loaded :(, gonna try the OnTimmer...
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 08:35:54 -0700, Francisco Tapia <fhtapia at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > > I will try this option Gustav, thanks :D.
> > >
> > > btw, Rocky... What I meant by autoload was that in the Form_Load event
> > > I have code that loads data to the form. because it was in the
> > > form_load event, the prompt was occuring before the user had a chance
> > > to see the form.
> > >
> > > On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 12:34:56 +0200, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk>
> wrote:
> > > > Hi Andy and Francisco
> > > >
> > > > I would suggest OnCurrent.
> > > > To prevent multiple prompts, set a static flag:
> > > >
> > > >   Static booIsPrompted As Boolean
> > > >
> > > >   If booIsPrompted = False Then
> > > >     ' Ask if you user wish to load data.
> > > >     <code>
> > > >     booIsPrompted = True
> > > >   End If
> > >
> > > --
> > > -Francisco
> > >
> > 
> > 
> > --
> > -Francisco
> > 
> 
> 
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From fhtapia at gmail.com  Sat Sep  4 00:13:16 2004
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 22:13:16 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] XP SP2 Applied
In-Reply-To: <000101c49224$f2ecf530$80b3fea9@ColbyM6805>
References: <000101c49224$f2ecf530$80b3fea9@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <b874372a04090322136fd861ba@mail.gmail.com>

kudos... I always forget to mention to people tho, that in many cases
it's always best to turn off all services in order to upgrade the SP
just nice... I have a utility that was written by an NT admin Michael
Espinola, I use this script (TARS.cmd) for every SP upgrade I need to
apply to either Windows 2000 and now XP, since then all SP updates
have gone smoothly.  if anyone needs a copy of this file, email me off
list and I can send it on it's way :)



On Fri, 03 Sep 2004 22:14:40 -0400, John W. Colby
<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
> My Emachines M6805 laptop just applied the XP SP2 with no apparent problems.
> Had to turn off Windows firewall (again) after the install.
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> 
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From fhtapia at gmail.com  Sat Sep  4 01:53:30 2004
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 23:53:30 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] A2K ideas on Order Entry
Message-ID: <b874372a040903235374b57d52@mail.gmail.com>

Brainstorming here:

I have a parent form which houses important order entry information
such as Billto/Shipto, PO#, SO#, and Notes... along with that I have a
listbox (but have been working on a readonly subform datasheet view).

Users currently go into a popup window box to add new lineitems to
this order.  However... I'd like to control where the popup box hovers
over... meaning allowing for the subform to be viewable while the
popup form is on the screen.  This allows ME to refresh the subform to
display the newly entered items.

now currently while in the popup mode, I've made it so that as soon as
one line entry is complete, the form display clears out to allow
another entry, and thus all the data entry guy has to do is key in the
new qty etc. for his order.  but once he is done, I use a keypreview
to capture the ESC key to allow them to get out.  I thought about what
if they could just hit ENTER and when the QTY field is null it should
kick him out, but I get a bizzar error on the .OnExit event of the Qty
Field.  thus I can't exit the form while it's processing or something
like that....

any ideas?.. (yeah I realize that its' 12:00am PST but that's when the
mind is wandering :D)

thanks,



-- 
-Francisco


From accessd at shaw.ca  Sat Sep  4 00:38:35 2004
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence (AccessD))
Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2004 22:38:35 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] XP SP2 Applied
In-Reply-To: <b874372a04090322136fd861ba@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <FJEJLIPOMCGJALMGLLLIAEEMCGAA.accessd@shaw.ca>

Hi Francisco:

I am not sure what your utility does but if any thing can aid my pending
upgrades for XP, it will be very welcomed.

Please send a copy off-line at your nearest convenience.

TIA
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Francisco
Tapia
Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 10:13 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving; Discussion of
Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [AccessD] XP SP2 Applied


kudos... I always forget to mention to people tho, that in many cases
it's always best to turn off all services in order to upgrade the SP
just nice... I have a utility that was written by an NT admin Michael
Espinola, I use this script (TARS.cmd) for every SP upgrade I need to
apply to either Windows 2000 and now XP, since then all SP updates
have gone smoothly.  if anyone needs a copy of this file, email me off
list and I can send it on it's way :)



On Fri, 03 Sep 2004 22:14:40 -0400, John W. Colby
<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
> My Emachines M6805 laptop just applied the XP SP2 with no apparent
problems.
> Had to turn off Windows firewall (again) after the install.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> --
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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Sat Sep  4 04:06:41 2004
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 10:06:41 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Form Resizing Itself
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20040903134839.02239418@mail.pstrauss.net>
Message-ID: <000101c4925e$7e727d30$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25>

Karen
Try issuing a DoCmd.Maximize before you even open the first form. I find
maxmizing the app makes everything behave better thereafter. I do reissue
the Max in my menu's OnActivate though as suggested.

-- Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 



From kost36 at otenet.gr  Sat Sep  4 06:03:16 2004
From: kost36 at otenet.gr (Kostas Konstantinidis)
Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 14:03:16 +0300
Subject: [AccessD] Protecting a subform with password
References: <D3E2A213B8F45B4DAC92EB5FD98ED1EF010EBD77@nnse14.nns.com>
Message-ID: <001b01c4926e$c8fba790$0100a8c0@KOST36>

Hi group,

On a main form I use a button which opens a subform.
Is it possible to protect the subform asking a password before?

Thank's
kostas



From Paul.Rogers at SummitMedia.co.uk  Fri Sep  3 09:01:04 2004
From: Paul.Rogers at SummitMedia.co.uk (Paul Rodgers)
Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 15:01:04 +0100 
Subject: [AccessD] Open a  form from a different db
Message-ID: <EAF3070ACB1AD81182280002A51EF7311921F5@s003.wolds.summitmedia.co.uk>

I need to open a form from another database. I just can't find it in my
books. Anyone done this simple thing recently please? Cheers
paul 

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From fhtapia at gmail.com  Sat Sep  4 10:50:44 2004
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 08:50:44 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] XP SP2 Applied
In-Reply-To: <FJEJLIPOMCGJALMGLLLIAEEMCGAA.accessd@shaw.ca>
References: <b874372a04090322136fd861ba@mail.gmail.com>
	<FJEJLIPOMCGJALMGLLLIAEEMCGAA.accessd@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <b874372a04090408505f9a8dc8@mail.gmail.com>

it's a .CMD aka bat file, it cycles through your pc's services turning
off everything TCP/IP, A/V, FireWall, and anything else that may be
running in the background.  After you run it your pc would be
disconnected from the network, so you should have a copy of the SP
update either on the local disk or on CD.  Then you can run the SP
update, what I've found is that SP installs have never worked so
smooth.


On Fri, 03 Sep 2004 22:38:35 -0700, Jim Lawrence (AccessD)
<accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
> Hi Francisco:
> 
> I am not sure what your utility does but if any thing can aid my pending
> upgrades for XP, it will be very welcomed.
> 
> Please send a copy off-line at your nearest convenience.
> 
> TIA
> Jim
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Francisco
> Tapia
> Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 10:13 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving; Discussion of
> Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] XP SP2 Applied
> 
> kudos... I always forget to mention to people tho, that in many cases
> it's always best to turn off all services in order to upgrade the SP
> just nice... I have a utility that was written by an NT admin Michael
> Espinola, I use this script (TARS.cmd) for every SP upgrade I need to
> apply to either Windows 2000 and now XP, since then all SP updates
> have gone smoothly.  if anyone needs a copy of this file, email me off
> list and I can send it on it's way :)
> 
> On Fri, 03 Sep 2004 22:14:40 -0400, John W. Colby
> <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
> > My Emachines M6805 laptop just applied the XP SP2 with no apparent
> problems.
> > Had to turn off Windows firewall (again) after the install.
> >
> > John W. Colby
> > www.ColbyConsulting.com
> >
> > --
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> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> 
> --
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Sep  4 12:17:07 2004
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Sat, 04 Sep 2004 13:17:07 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Can you Raid
Message-ID: <000501c492a3$04f7f4e0$80b3fea9@ColbyM6805>

Does anyone know if you can use Windows built-in raid capability to set up a
raid 1 (mirror) then break the raid and move the mirror to another identical
machine as the boot drive?  I have a pair of MSI k8n Neo motherboards that I
purchased.  I have a pair of 80 gb samsung drives in one machine that I have
just finished setting up.  I need to create an image of that setup and move
that image to the other machine.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 




From fhtapia at gmail.com  Sat Sep  4 10:58:35 2004
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 08:58:35 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Protecting a subform with password
In-Reply-To: <001b01c4926e$c8fba790$0100a8c0@KOST36>
References: <D3E2A213B8F45B4DAC92EB5FD98ED1EF010EBD77@nnse14.nns.com>
	<001b01c4926e$c8fba790$0100a8c0@KOST36>
Message-ID: <b874372a0409040858329ab50e@mail.gmail.com>

You can build a pwd form where the user can enter this info and upon
successful entry allow access to the subform, but I suspect that this
kind of deployment will eventually grow tiresome.

Typically I create groups, and assing new users to groups... If going
w/ full Access Security then of course this makes a ton of sense, but
if even if you're going the route of something lightweight, you can
hardcode forms to allow only members of rolled-your-own groups.  I
think it was John Colby who had a sample of a "light weight" security.
 I think that's what you're looking for.




On Sat, 4 Sep 2004 14:03:16 +0300, Kostas Konstantinidis
<kost36 at otenet.gr> wrote:
> Hi group,
> 
> On a main form I use a button which opens a subform.
> Is it possible to protect the subform asking a password before?
> 
> Thank's
> kostas



-- 
-Francisco


From fhtapia at gmail.com  Sat Sep  4 11:04:53 2004
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 09:04:53 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Remote Desktop Connection Client 1.0.2 for Mac OS X
In-Reply-To: <15718612102.20040903172429@cactus.dk>
References: <6826407592.20040827181338@cactus.dk>
	<15718612102.20040903172429@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <b874372a04090409047ad3608a@mail.gmail.com>

I currently do not have a need for Mac desktop connectivity... but for
all my Windoze system I use UltraVNC, and for Other platforms I use
RealVNC.

you can google for either...


On Fri, 3 Sep 2004 17:24:29 +0200, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
> Hi all
> 
> No comments on this?
> Looks like an easy way to bring your app to the desktop of a Mac user.
> 
> /gustav
> 
> > Anyone having experiences with this, running Access or anything else?
> 
> > http://www.microsoft.com/mac/downloads.aspx?pid=download&location=/mac/DOWNLOAD/MISC/RDC.xml&secid=80&ssid=9&flgnosysreq=False
> 
> > If connecting to a Terminal Server what are the licensing for this
> > for, say, 10 users? What that be a Windows 2003 server with 10 CALs?
> 
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Sep  4 12:45:49 2004
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Sat, 04 Sep 2004 13:45:49 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Open a  form from a different db
In-Reply-To: <EAF3070ACB1AD81182280002A51EF7311921F5@s003.wolds.summitmedia.co.uk>
Message-ID: <000601c492a7$07d5eab0$80b3fea9@ColbyM6805>

Paul,

One way to do this is to reference the database (set a reference to it),
then build a function in the database that opens a form.  Now call that
function, passing the name of the form to open.  Be aware however that if
the form is bound it will try to bind to a table in that database, so if
your intention is to use that form to display data in the current db you
will need to late bind the form.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Paul Rodgers
Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 10:01 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Open a form from a different db


I need to open a form from another database. I just can't find it in my
books. Anyone done this simple thing recently please? Cheers paul 

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From fhtapia at gmail.com  Sat Sep  4 11:07:51 2004
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 09:07:51 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Subform problem with detail section
In-Reply-To: <1375769556091B4DAABC159F944CA1BB07A195@bocnte2k4.boc.chevrontexaco.net>
References: AcSQVlX8vyoP4CC3TE6pKB/3cipfdgABX7eA
	<1375769556091B4DAABC159F944CA1BB07A195@bocnte2k4.boc.chevrontexaco.net>
Message-ID: <b874372a04090409077f4854f4@mail.gmail.com>

Finally...
   You should have a  Linked ID between the Parent Form and the
Subform. Typically something like

tbl_Orders Field: PKOrderID

tbl_SubformTable Field: FKOrderID, PKID

the Linked ID would be the OrderID.  Checking the properties of the
subform, you should see the linked table field to be the OrderID


On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 14:43:21 -0500, Kaup, Chester A
<kaupca at chevrontexaco.com> wrote:
> Added the primary key but text boxes and list boxes in the detail
> section do not display.
> 
> Chester Kaup
> Information Management Technician
> IT-MidContinent/MidContinent Business Unit
> CTN 8-687-7415
> Outside 432-687-7414
> 
> No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However a large
> number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Francisco
> Tapia
> Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 1:47 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Subform problem with detail section
> 
> It is my opinion, that you should have a PKID of some sort for table you
> are adding records, if not a Surrogate Key, then at the very least a
> Natural Key.  either is bether than NO key :D
> 
> On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 13:26:29 -0500, Kaup, Chester A
> <kaupca at chevrontexaco.com> wrote:
> > So then, is the Data Entry option enabled?, YES
> > is the table you're adding records to you have a Primary Key ID? NO
> >
> > What confuses me is the form works fine as a regular form but does not
> 
> > work correctly when added to another form as a subform.
> >
> > Thanks for the assistance.
> 
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From fhtapia at gmail.com  Sat Sep  4 11:08:30 2004
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 09:08:30 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Prompt after Form loads
In-Reply-To: <1896904147.20040902103514@cactus.dk>
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312A0E@infoserver01.infostat.local>
	<b874372a04090111355e8e559@mail.gmail.com>
	<8444881516.20040901205336@cactus.dk>
	<b874372a04090114144f08610f@mail.gmail.com>
	<1896904147.20040902103514@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <b874372a04090409085a33553a@mail.gmail.com>

I will try this solution later... thanks :D


On Thu, 2 Sep 2004 10:35:14 +0200, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
> Hi Francisco
> 
> > I tried the counter solution, and it fires before the form is "visible"
> 
> You are right, missed that, but here is how to do this without the
> Timer:
> 
> First, create this function in the subform:
> 
> Private Function ShowAtOpen()
> 
>   Static booOpened  As Boolean
> 
>   If booOpened = False Then
>     ' Replace with your code.
>     MsgBox "Load?", vbQuestion, "Francisco"
>     ' Run only once.
>     booOpened = True
>   End If
> 
> End Function
> 
> Now, create a textbox in the subform, make it not Visible, and bind it
> like this:
> 
> =ShowAtOpen()
> 
> This will pop the code when the form and the sub have been rendered
> including controls bound to the recordsource of the form. The only
> limitation I can see is, that other controls bound to an expression
> (=something()) may have their values retrieved after the firing of
> ShowAtOpen.
> 
> /gustav
> 
> 
> > On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 20:53:36 +0200, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
> >> Hi Francisco
> >>
> >> > Agreed, I use them as a very last solution.  They do  CAUSE flickers,
> >> > and they interrupt other process as well.  Such as adverse behavoirs
> >> > when using a combo bx and you find that your dropdown doesn't stay
> >> > dropped, because the timer continues to fire off in the background :D
> >>
> >> Except in this case ... did you try the counter solution?
> >> Works excellent here.
> 
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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Sat Sep  4 12:56:13 2004
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 10:56:13 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Fw: Action Pack versus Partner Program
Message-ID: <008901c492a8$77e4f070$6601a8c0@HAL9002>


> Any opinions on the Action Pack versus the Partner program?
>
> TIA
>
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
> http://www.e-z-mrp.com
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Dixon" <dixon at fossware.net>
> To: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <rsmolin at san.rr.com>
> Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2004 10:58 AM
> Subject: Re: Fw: ...holy smoly!!!
>
>
> > Rocky,
> >       The Action Pac contains less stuff and has less obligation and
lower
> price. Bottom line, I think Action Pac is best for me and the full pac you
> are looking at may be best for you.
> >
> > Action Pac has 5 licenses for:
> > Win XP Pro, Office Pro 2003, MapPoint, FrontPage, InfoPath, OneNote,
> InfoPath, Project, Publisher, Sharepoint, Visio, VirtualPC.
> > And a bunch of servers; SQL2000Standard, LiveCommunications, Exchange,
> MobileInformation, Windows2003Standard, Windows2003Web and SmallBusiness.
> > It also has tons of sales training material.
> > Development tools such as .Net, Visual Studio and other compilers are
not
> included.
> > Price is $300/Year with no limit on continuing subscriptions, quarterly
> updates and no obligations to produce anything.
> >
> > The one you are looking at may be more interesting for you because it
> includes the same software plus other systems (Win2K) and .Net and more
MSDN
> features and you can satisfy the development obligation. Drawbacks are; it
> only lasts for two years then reverts to standard pricing.
> >
> > Dixon.
> >
> > ======= At 2004-09-03, 22:24:00 you wrote: =======
> >
> > >Dixon:
> > >
> > >This is the Microsoft deal I was looking at.  How's this compare to the
> > >Action Pack?
> > >
> > >Rocky
> > >
> > >----- Original Message ----- 
> > >From: "William Hindman" <wdhindman at bellsouth.net>
> > >To: "'Steven W. Erbach'" <serbach at new.rr.com>
> > >Cc: <rsmolin at san.rr.com>; <jon.tydda at alcontrol.co.uk>;
> > ><piergrossi at new.rr.com>; <gkjos at comcast.net>; <ssharkins at bellsouth.net>
> > >Sent: Monday, July 26, 2004 10:42 AM
> > >Subject: ...holy smoly!!!
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>http://members.microsoft.com/partner/competency/isvcomp/empower/default.asp
> x
> > >#P59_3411
> > >
> > >....check this out ...a full MSDN Universal Subscription for only
> $375.00!
> > >
> > >....from Microsoft themselves!
> > >
> > >....that's an incredible price when you consider it includes virtually
> every
> > >piece of Microsoft software except maybe Flight simulator ...plus
umpteen
> > >developer aids and CD updates every month ...plus five user licenses.
> > >
> > >....all you have to do is register as a partner (very easy, no cost)
and
> > >PROMISE to develop an application for a market of your choice.
> > >
> > >....and they'll let you do this for two years before moving you up to
> regular
> > >pricing.
> > >
> > >William Hindman
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >.
> >
> > = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>



From accessd at shaw.ca  Sat Sep  4 11:58:35 2004
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence (AccessD))
Date: Sat, 04 Sep 2004 09:58:35 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Access & AutoCAD
In-Reply-To: <200409031145.i83BjLZw015552@ms-smtp-01.nyroc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <FJEJLIPOMCGJALMGLLLIIEEPCGAA.accessd@shaw.ca>

Hi Mark:

Sorry I am late to this conversation but is not AutoCAD comprised of a group
of exposed objects (dlls and ActiveX components) and AutoLISP, a VBA type
language. You of course have to be on a station where AutoCAD is installed
as well as Access.

One friend works in a government mapping office that uses ArcInfo but has a
number of translators and automated translation processes, one script used
translates AutoCAD DWG files into ArcInfo files and back...all using various
built in objects and their properties. I know they have the capabilities to
automate the extraction by levels, object types etc.. I imagine anything
else would be possible.

I think there is a few downloads and samples from some of the companies that
work extensively with various government agencies like:
http://www.esri.com/.
I might be able to get some help but would have to know a specific
requirement.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Mitsules, Mark
S. (Newport News)
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 12:51 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access & AutoCAD


Both.  First project is our departmental floor plan which will include ALL
of the attributes for personnel and equipment.  Later projects will build
BOM drawings in AutoCAD dynamically.  Concurrently with those, I would like
to develop an automation process which monitors a network folder, and when a
new drawing is placed there, automatically extract certain drawing
attributes, log them into a database, and create a .dwf format version for
intranet publication.


Mark


-----Original Message-----
From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 1:30 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access & AutoCAD


Mark,
Are you trying to use automation between the two or are you trying to use
access as a database for Autocad Attributes?

John B.

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Mitsules, Mark
S. (Newport News)
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 12:04 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access & AutoCAD


...so I'm guessing I'm the only one in this unique position:(((


Mark





-----Original Message-----
From: Mitsules, Mark
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 5:42 PM
To: [AccessD]
Subject: [AccessD] Access & AutoCAD


Has anyone tackled this combination?  There is ONE example in the AutoCAD
samples folder.  There is ONE book that I found regarding database
connectivity (circa 1999).  ...and a DISTINCT lack of web-based material as
far as I can tell:(  I would be most appreciative for pointers towards any
of the following: recent books (AutoCAD 2002 or later), web-based tutorials,
web-based examples, personal examples, cave paintings...anything.

Thanks in advance for any/all information.

Mark
Conversely, I am willing to pay $40 to anyone willing to take the AutoCAD
help files and develop a booklet within the next 2 weeks, including a table
of contents, that will allow me to chronologically work my way through a
project.
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Sep  4 12:59:35 2004
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Sat, 04 Sep 2004 13:59:35 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Protecting a subform with password
In-Reply-To: <b874372a0409040858329ab50e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000701c492a8$f5a68af0$80b3fea9@ColbyM6805>

I would suggest a small login form as the db opens, then the db knows who is
working in it.  Now build a table of "can use" and a function that checks if
the logged in user can use.  If so then allow the unhide / enable.  I do
something similar to this with controls that only supervisors should have
access to.  I have users, groups, GroupUsers, then objects,
GroupsCanUseObjects.  Of course that is overkill if this is the only object
in the db that you need to protect but if there are many of them then it
makes sense.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Francisco Tapia
Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2004 11:59 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Protecting a subform with password


You can build a pwd form where the user can enter this info and upon
successful entry allow access to the subform, but I suspect that this kind
of deployment will eventually grow tiresome.

Typically I create groups, and assing new users to groups... If going w/
full Access Security then of course this makes a ton of sense, but if even
if you're going the route of something lightweight, you can hardcode forms
to allow only members of rolled-your-own groups.  I think it was John Colby
who had a sample of a "light weight" security.  I think that's what you're
looking for.




On Sat, 4 Sep 2004 14:03:16 +0300, Kostas Konstantinidis <kost36 at otenet.gr>
wrote:
> Hi group,
> 
> On a main form I use a button which opens a subform.
> Is it possible to protect the subform asking a password before?
> 
> Thank's
> kostas



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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Sep  4 13:00:56 2004
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Sat, 04 Sep 2004 14:00:56 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Remote Desktop Connection Client 1.0.2 for Mac OS X
In-Reply-To: <b874372a04090409047ad3608a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000801c492a9$24ecbf00$80b3fea9@ColbyM6805>

I also use RealVNC.  I even used it inside my LAN prior to buying the KMV
switch.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Francisco Tapia
Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2004 12:05 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Remote Desktop Connection Client 1.0.2 for Mac OS X


I currently do not have a need for Mac desktop connectivity... but for all
my Windoze system I use UltraVNC, and for Other platforms I use RealVNC.

you can google for either...


On Fri, 3 Sep 2004 17:24:29 +0200, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
> Hi all
> 
> No comments on this?
> Looks like an easy way to bring your app to the desktop of a Mac user.
> 
> /gustav
> 
> > Anyone having experiences with this, running Access or anything 
> > else?
> 
> > http://www.microsoft.com/mac/downloads.aspx?pid=download&location=/m
> > ac/DOWNLOAD/MISC/RDC.xml&secid=80&ssid=9&flgnosysreq=False
> 
> > If connecting to a Terminal Server what are the licensing for this 
> > for, say, 10 users? What that be a Windows 2003 server with 10 CALs?
> 
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Sep  4 13:17:58 2004
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Sat, 04 Sep 2004 14:17:58 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Fw: Action Pack versus Partner Program
In-Reply-To: <008901c492a8$77e4f070$6601a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <000a01c492ab$84b98470$80b3fea9@ColbyM6805>

Rocky

AFAICT you have to join the partner program (free) then you are allowed to
buy the action pack.  I just did so but haven't received the action pack
yet.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
Beach Access Software
Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2004 1:56 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Fw: Action Pack versus Partner Program



> Any opinions on the Action Pack versus the Partner program?
>
> TIA
>
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
> http://www.e-z-mrp.com
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dixon" <dixon at fossware.net>
> To: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <rsmolin at san.rr.com>
> Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2004 10:58 AM
> Subject: Re: Fw: ...holy smoly!!!
>
>
> > Rocky,
> >       The Action Pac contains less stuff and has less obligation and
lower
> price. Bottom line, I think Action Pac is best for me and the full pac 
> you are looking at may be best for you.
> >
> > Action Pac has 5 licenses for:
> > Win XP Pro, Office Pro 2003, MapPoint, FrontPage, InfoPath, OneNote,
> InfoPath, Project, Publisher, Sharepoint, Visio, VirtualPC.
> > And a bunch of servers; SQL2000Standard, LiveCommunications, 
> > Exchange,
> MobileInformation, Windows2003Standard, Windows2003Web and 
> SmallBusiness.
> > It also has tons of sales training material.
> > Development tools such as .Net, Visual Studio and other compilers 
> > are
not
> included.
> > Price is $300/Year with no limit on continuing subscriptions, 
> > quarterly
> updates and no obligations to produce anything.
> >
> > The one you are looking at may be more interesting for you because 
> > it
> includes the same software plus other systems (Win2K) and .Net and 
> more
MSDN
> features and you can satisfy the development obligation. Drawbacks 
> are; it only lasts for two years then reverts to standard pricing.
> >
> > Dixon.
> >
> > ======= At 2004-09-03, 22:24:00 you wrote: =======
> >
> > >Dixon:
> > >
> > >This is the Microsoft deal I was looking at.  How's this compare to 
> > >the Action Pack?
> > >
> > >Rocky
> > >
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: "William Hindman" <wdhindman at bellsouth.net>
> > >To: "'Steven W. Erbach'" <serbach at new.rr.com>
> > >Cc: <rsmolin at san.rr.com>; <jon.tydda at alcontrol.co.uk>;
> > ><piergrossi at new.rr.com>; <gkjos at comcast.net>; <ssharkins at bellsouth.net>
> > >Sent: Monday, July 26, 2004 10:42 AM
> > >Subject: ...holy smoly!!!
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>http://members.microsoft.com/partner/competency/isvcomp/empower/default
>.asp
> x
> > >#P59_3411
> > >
> > >....check this out ...a full MSDN Universal Subscription for only
> $375.00!
> > >
> > >....from Microsoft themselves!
> > >
> > >....that's an incredible price when you consider it includes 
> > >virtually
> every
> > >piece of Microsoft software except maybe Flight simulator ...plus
umpteen
> > >developer aids and CD updates every month ...plus five user 
> > >licenses.
> > >
> > >....all you have to do is register as a partner (very easy, no 
> > >cost)
and
> > >PROMISE to develop an application for a market of your choice.
> > >
> > >....and they'll let you do this for two years before moving you up 
> > >to
> regular
> > >pricing.
> > >
> > >William Hindman
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >.
> >
> > = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

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From fhtapia at gmail.com  Sat Sep  4 14:47:28 2004
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 12:47:28 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Remote Desktop Connection Client 1.0.2 for Mac OS X
In-Reply-To: <000801c492a9$24ecbf00$80b3fea9@ColbyM6805>
References: <b874372a04090409047ad3608a@mail.gmail.com>
	<000801c492a9$24ecbf00$80b3fea9@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <b874372a04090412472fea2208@mail.gmail.com>

REALvnc is a stable, awesome release, I don't knock it in fact
UltraVnc is built on top of existing cores from RealVNC.  however,
when using ULTRA, you will have much more flexibility and power, such
as being able to authenticate via your NT userid, also you can
transfer files if you need FTP.  and over LAN i've found that coupled
together w/ their Video Driver you get much more speed as if you were
right in front of the other pc.


On Sat, 04 Sep 2004 14:00:56 -0400, John W. Colby
<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
> I also use RealVNC.  I even used it inside my LAN prior to buying the KMV
> switch.
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Francisco Tapia
> Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2004 12:05 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Remote Desktop Connection Client 1.0.2 for Mac OS X
> 
> I currently do not have a need for Mac desktop connectivity... but for all
> my Windoze system I use UltraVNC, and for Other platforms I use RealVNC.
> 
> you can google for either...
> 
> On Fri, 3 Sep 2004 17:24:29 +0200, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
> > Hi all
> >
> > No comments on this?
> > Looks like an easy way to bring your app to the desktop of a Mac user.
> >
> > /gustav
> >
> > > Anyone having experiences with this, running Access or anything
> > > else?
> >
> > > http://www.microsoft.com/mac/downloads.aspx?pid=download&location=/m
> > > ac/DOWNLOAD/MISC/RDC.xml&secid=80&ssid=9&flgnosysreq=False
> >
> > > If connecting to a Terminal Server what are the licensing for this
> > > for, say, 10 users? What that be a Windows 2003 server with 10 CALs?
> >
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From fhtapia at gmail.com  Sat Sep  4 14:59:50 2004
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 12:59:50 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Can you Raid
In-Reply-To: <000501c492a3$04f7f4e0$80b3fea9@ColbyM6805>
References: <000501c492a3$04f7f4e0$80b3fea9@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <b874372a040904125934649c74@mail.gmail.com>

Never tried it.  but if you are building this for your VLDB system,
keep in mind that hardware raid is always faster and therefore better
than Software Raid.


On Sat, 04 Sep 2004 13:17:07 -0400, John W. Colby
<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
> Does anyone know if you can use Windows built-in raid capability to set up a
> raid 1 (mirror) then break the raid and move the mirror to another identical
> machine as the boot drive?  I have a pair of MSI k8n Neo motherboards that I
> purchased.  I have a pair of 80 gb samsung drives in one machine that I have
> just finished setting up.  I need to create an image of that setup and move
> that image to the other machine.
> 
> John W. Colby
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Sep  4 15:12:16 2004
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Sat, 04 Sep 2004 16:12:16 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Can you Raid
In-Reply-To: <b874372a040904125934649c74@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000c01c492bb$7d6d20e0$80b3fea9@ColbyM6805>

>keep in mind that hardware raid is always faster and therefore better than
Software Raid.

I am having issues getting ANY (hardware) bootable raid going.  I am working
with the tech support of the MB manufacturer however I must get a system up
and functioning.  My intent is NOT to raid the boot drive per se, but rather
to create an image of the drive with all software installed, then move that
image to another identical machine.  I would be using Mirror as a
replacement for Norton Ghost or similar software.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Francisco Tapia
Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2004 4:00 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Can you Raid


Never tried it.  but if you are building this for your VLDB system, keep in
mind that hardware raid is always faster and therefore better than Software
Raid.


On Sat, 04 Sep 2004 13:17:07 -0400, John W. Colby
<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
> Does anyone know if you can use Windows built-in raid capability to 
> set up a raid 1 (mirror) then break the raid and move the mirror to 
> another identical machine as the boot drive?  I have a pair of MSI k8n 
> Neo motherboards that I purchased.  I have a pair of 80 gb samsung 
> drives in one machine that I have just finished setting up.  I need to 
> create an image of that setup and move that image to the other 
> machine.
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> 
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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Sat Sep  4 14:56:20 2004
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Sat, 04 Sep 2004 12:56:20 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] JIT Forms?
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312A2A@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <413A1DE4.4000801@shaw.ca>

You can't recompile code in an mde
But here is some example code to read code in a Form
You can also write code to a form
Have a look at http://www.helenfeddema.com
Design Schemas accarch76.zip  and 77
She modifies existing controls at runtime and adds code.

Function ListAllProcsinForms(strModuleName As String)
'Purpose: lists all procedures/functions for given module
'Example: ListAllProcsinForms ("MyForm")
    Dim mdlF As Form
    Dim mdl As Module
    Dim lngCount As Long, lngCountDecl As Long, lngI As Long
    Dim strProcName As String, astrProcNames() As String
    Dim intI As Integer, strMsg As String
    Dim lngR As Long

    ' Open specified Module object.
    DoCmd.OpenForm strModuleName,acDesign 'open in design view

    ' Return reference to Form object.
     
    Set mdlF = Forms(strModuleName)
    ' Return reference to Module object.
      Set mdl = mdlF.Module
    ' Count lines in module.
 
    lngCount = mdl.CountOfLines
    ' Count lines in Declaration section in module.

    lngCountDecl = mdl.CountOfDeclarationLines
    ' Determine name of first procedure.
    strProcName = mdl.ProcOfLine(lngCountDecl + 1, lngR)
    ' Initialize counter variable.
    intI = 0
    ' Redimension array.
    ReDim Preserve astrProcNames(intI)
    ' Store name of first procedure in array.
    astrProcNames(intI) = strProcName

    ' Determine procedure name for each line after declarations.
    For lngI = lngCountDecl + 1 To lngCount
        ' Compare procedure name with ProcOfLine property value.

        If strProcName <> mdl.ProcOfLine(lngI, lngR) Then
            ' Increment counter.
            intI = intI + 1
            strProcName = mdl.ProcOfLine(lngI, lngR)
            ReDim Preserve astrProcNames(intI)
            ' Assign unique procedure names to array.
            astrProcNames(intI) = strProcName
        End If
    Next lngI

    strMsg = "Procedures in module '" & strModuleName & "': " _
        & vbCrLf & vbCrLf
    Debug.Print "Procedures in module '" & strModuleName & "': "

    For intI = 0 To UBound(astrProcNames)
        strMsg = strMsg & astrProcNames(intI) & vbCrLf
'Print list in debug window:
        Debug.Print astrProcNames(intI)
    Next intI

' Dialog box listing all procedures in module.
    MsgBox strMsg
End Function

Charlotte Foust wrote:

>I've only used it at design time, so I can't say.  I don't suppose it's
>all that different from changing the paper size at run time.
>
>Charlotte Foust
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
>Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 2:13 PM
>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] JIT Forms?
>
>
>Charlotte,
>
>Do you know if this works at runtime or only at design time?
>
>John W. Colby
>www.ColbyConsulting.com 
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
>Foust
>Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 4:03 PM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] JIT Forms?
>
>
>Look at the Application.CreateControl method for creating controls from
>code.  If you want code behind that control, you need to add that to the
>form's module and set the control's named event to "[event procedure]"
>to connect them.
>
>Charlotte Foust
>
>
>
>  
>

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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Sat Sep  4 15:41:53 2004
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 13:41:53 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Fw: Action Pack versus Partner Program
References: <000a01c492ab$84b98470$80b3fea9@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <00e201c492bf$9c726cd0$6601a8c0@HAL9002>

Es verdad.  I was just wondering if the additional stuff you get in the
partner program was worth the extra $75.

Rocky

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From: "John W. Colby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2004 11:17 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Fw: Action Pack versus Partner Program


> Rocky
>
> AFAICT you have to join the partner program (free) then you are allowed to
> buy the action pack.  I just did so but haven't received the action pack
> yet.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
> Beach Access Software
> Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2004 1:56 PM
> To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Fw: Action Pack versus Partner Program
>
>
>
> > Any opinions on the Action Pack versus the Partner program?
> >
> > TIA
> >
> > Rocky Smolin
> > Beach Access Software
> > http://www.e-z-mrp.com
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Dixon" <dixon at fossware.net>
> > To: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <rsmolin at san.rr.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2004 10:58 AM
> > Subject: Re: Fw: ...holy smoly!!!
> >
> >
> > > Rocky,
> > >       The Action Pac contains less stuff and has less obligation and
> lower
> > price. Bottom line, I think Action Pac is best for me and the full pac
> > you are looking at may be best for you.
> > >
> > > Action Pac has 5 licenses for:
> > > Win XP Pro, Office Pro 2003, MapPoint, FrontPage, InfoPath, OneNote,
> > InfoPath, Project, Publisher, Sharepoint, Visio, VirtualPC.
> > > And a bunch of servers; SQL2000Standard, LiveCommunications,
> > > Exchange,
> > MobileInformation, Windows2003Standard, Windows2003Web and
> > SmallBusiness.
> > > It also has tons of sales training material.
> > > Development tools such as .Net, Visual Studio and other compilers
> > > are
> not
> > included.
> > > Price is $300/Year with no limit on continuing subscriptions,
> > > quarterly
> > updates and no obligations to produce anything.
> > >
> > > The one you are looking at may be more interesting for you because
> > > it
> > includes the same software plus other systems (Win2K) and .Net and
> > more
> MSDN
> > features and you can satisfy the development obligation. Drawbacks
> > are; it only lasts for two years then reverts to standard pricing.
> > >
> > > Dixon.
> > >
> > > ======= At 2004-09-03, 22:24:00 you wrote: =======
> > >
> > > >Dixon:
> > > >
> > > >This is the Microsoft deal I was looking at.  How's this compare to
> > > >the Action Pack?
> > > >
> > > >Rocky
> > > >
> > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > >From: "William Hindman" <wdhindman at bellsouth.net>
> > > >To: "'Steven W. Erbach'" <serbach at new.rr.com>
> > > >Cc: <rsmolin at san.rr.com>; <jon.tydda at alcontrol.co.uk>;
> > > ><piergrossi at new.rr.com>; <gkjos at comcast.net>;
<ssharkins at bellsouth.net>
> > > >Sent: Monday, July 26, 2004 10:42 AM
> > > >Subject: ...holy smoly!!!
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >http://members.microsoft.com/partner/competency/isvcomp/empower/default
> >.asp
> > x
> > > >#P59_3411
> > > >
> > > >....check this out ...a full MSDN Universal Subscription for only
> > $375.00!
> > > >
> > > >....from Microsoft themselves!
> > > >
> > > >....that's an incredible price when you consider it includes
> > > >virtually
> > every
> > > >piece of Microsoft software except maybe Flight simulator ...plus
> umpteen
> > > >developer aids and CD updates every month ...plus five user
> > > >licenses.
> > > >
> > > >....all you have to do is register as a partner (very easy, no
> > > >cost)
> and
> > > >PROMISE to develop an application for a market of your choice.
> > > >
> > > >....and they'll let you do this for two years before moving you up
> > > >to
> > regular
> > > >pricing.
> > > >
> > > >William Hindman
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >.
> > >
> > > = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Sep  4 15:44:51 2004
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Sat, 04 Sep 2004 16:44:51 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] JIT Forms?
In-Reply-To: <413A1DE4.4000801@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <000e01c492c0$07dff370$80b3fea9@ColbyM6805>

This brings us to the question of "where the heck does Access store this
stuff".  As you know there is a class (MODULE) behind a form where you can
add your own code, but there is an additional "something" where the form
controls and stuff resides.  I have always wondered where that "something"
is (but not enough to do the research).

;-)

It is almost as if that stuff were made invisible somehow.  If you export a
class to a text file there is stuff at the top of the file (properties) that
are not visible from the IDE editor when viewing the class.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2004 3:56 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] JIT Forms?


You can't recompile code in an mde
But here is some example code to read code in a Form
You can also write code to a form
Have a look at http://www.helenfeddema.com
Design Schemas accarch76.zip  and 77
She modifies existing controls at runtime and adds code.

Function ListAllProcsinForms(strModuleName As String)
'Purpose: lists all procedures/functions for given module
'Example: ListAllProcsinForms ("MyForm")
    Dim mdlF As Form
    Dim mdl As Module
    Dim lngCount As Long, lngCountDecl As Long, lngI As Long
    Dim strProcName As String, astrProcNames() As String
    Dim intI As Integer, strMsg As String
    Dim lngR As Long

    ' Open specified Module object.
    DoCmd.OpenForm strModuleName,acDesign 'open in design view

    ' Return reference to Form object.
     
    Set mdlF = Forms(strModuleName)
    ' Return reference to Module object.
      Set mdl = mdlF.Module
    ' Count lines in module.
 
    lngCount = mdl.CountOfLines
    ' Count lines in Declaration section in module.

    lngCountDecl = mdl.CountOfDeclarationLines
    ' Determine name of first procedure.
    strProcName = mdl.ProcOfLine(lngCountDecl + 1, lngR)
    ' Initialize counter variable.
    intI = 0
    ' Redimension array.
    ReDim Preserve astrProcNames(intI)
    ' Store name of first procedure in array.
    astrProcNames(intI) = strProcName

    ' Determine procedure name for each line after declarations.
    For lngI = lngCountDecl + 1 To lngCount
        ' Compare procedure name with ProcOfLine property value.

        If strProcName <> mdl.ProcOfLine(lngI, lngR) Then
            ' Increment counter.
            intI = intI + 1
            strProcName = mdl.ProcOfLine(lngI, lngR)
            ReDim Preserve astrProcNames(intI)
            ' Assign unique procedure names to array.
            astrProcNames(intI) = strProcName
        End If
    Next lngI

    strMsg = "Procedures in module '" & strModuleName & "': " _
        & vbCrLf & vbCrLf
    Debug.Print "Procedures in module '" & strModuleName & "': "

    For intI = 0 To UBound(astrProcNames)
        strMsg = strMsg & astrProcNames(intI) & vbCrLf
'Print list in debug window:
        Debug.Print astrProcNames(intI)
    Next intI

' Dialog box listing all procedures in module.
    MsgBox strMsg
End Function

Charlotte Foust wrote:

>I've only used it at design time, so I can't say.  I don't suppose it's 
>all that different from changing the paper size at run time.
>
>Charlotte Foust
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
>Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 2:13 PM
>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] JIT Forms?
>
>
>Charlotte,
>
>Do you know if this works at runtime or only at design time?
>
>John W. Colby
>www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte 
>Foust
>Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 4:03 PM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] JIT Forms?
>
>
>Look at the Application.CreateControl method for creating controls from 
>code.  If you want code behind that control, you need to add that to 
>the form's module and set the control's named event to "[event 
>procedure]" to connect them.
>
>Charlotte Foust
>
>
>
>  
>

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From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Sat Sep  4 15:46:37 2004
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps - IT Helps)
Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 22:46:37 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Can you Raid
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF734C@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

I done that with NT4 (windows software mirror). Works perfect with
sometimes one exception.

The mirror is not always bootable depending on the type of disk.
A floppy drive boot disk is a workaround at that moment.
 
Ofcourse you need to respect regular OS rules. If your other machine is
other hardware you can get in to trouble...

Erwin

-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Namens John W. Colby
Verzonden: zaterdag 4 september 2004 22:12
Aan: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Onderwerp: RE: [AccessD] Can you Raid

>keep in mind that hardware raid is always faster and therefore better 
>than
Software Raid.

I am having issues getting ANY (hardware) bootable raid going.  I am
working with the tech support of the MB manufacturer however I must get
a system up and functioning.  My intent is NOT to raid the boot drive
per se, but rather to create an image of the drive with all software
installed, then move that image to another identical machine.  I would
be using Mirror as a replacement for Norton Ghost or similar software.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Francisco
Tapia
Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2004 4:00 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Can you Raid


Never tried it.  but if you are building this for your VLDB system, keep
in mind that hardware raid is always faster and therefore better than
Software Raid.


On Sat, 04 Sep 2004 13:17:07 -0400, John W. Colby
<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
> Does anyone know if you can use Windows built-in raid capability to 
> set up a raid 1 (mirror) then break the raid and move the mirror to 
> another identical machine as the boot drive?  I have a pair of MSI k8n

> Neo motherboards that I purchased.  I have a pair of 80 gb samsung 
> drives in one machine that I have just finished setting up.  I need to

> create an image of that setup and move that image to the other 
> machine.
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> 
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sat Sep  4 11:25:16 2004
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence (AccessD))
Date: Sat, 04 Sep 2004 09:25:16 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Protecting a subform with password
In-Reply-To: <001b01c4926e$c8fba790$0100a8c0@KOST36>
Message-ID: <FJEJLIPOMCGJALMGLLLIOEEOCGAA.accessd@shaw.ca>

Hi Kostas:

Add some code something like the following and the command button that opens
the subform will
be set appropriately.

In the Form Load subroutine

Private Sub Form_Load()

 ' Maybe something like....

 if CheckUsername() < 5 then
   ' Disable command button and make subform invisible.
   Me.cmbOpenSubForm.Enabled = False
   Me!MySubform.Form.Visible = False
 else
   Me.cmbOpenSubForm.Enabled = True
   Me!MySubform.Form.Visible = True
 end if

End Sub

Private Function CheckUsername() As Integer

 Dim intSecurityLevel as Integer

 IntSecurityLevel = 0

 ' add code here....
 ' In here you would put code that either asks for the username
 ' and then validates it's level of access against a protected table,
 ' value or an imbedded list or current users in the Access security
 ' tables.

 ' This example checks which security group the
 ' current user is in then sets the security level.
 If CurrentUser() = "Admin" Then intSecurityLevel = 5

 CheckUsername()  = intSecurityLevel

End Function

This is not a complete answer but hope this starts you on your way.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Kostas
Konstantinidis
Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2004 4:03 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Protecting a subform with password


Hi group,

On a main form I use a button which opens a subform.
Is it possible to protect the subform asking a password before?

Thank's
kostas

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From jmoss111 at bellsouth.net  Sat Sep  4 17:49:12 2004
From: jmoss111 at bellsouth.net (JMoss)
Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 17:49:12 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Fw: Action Pack versus Partner Program
In-Reply-To: <00e201c492bf$9c726cd0$6601a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <OKEMICJGPJCMJCCHGNDECENPCMAA.jmoss111@bellsouth.net>

You don't really get anything in the Partner program which is free. The
Action Pack is $299/yr and the Action Pack Plus is $399/yr. The Plus gets
you a subscription of Microsoft bCentral List Builder in addition to what
you get in the Action Pack subscription.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
Beach Access Software
Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2004 3:42 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Fw: Action Pack versus Partner Program


Es verdad.  I was just wondering if the additional stuff you get in the
partner program was worth the extra $75.

Rocky

----- Original Message -----
From: "John W. Colby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2004 11:17 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Fw: Action Pack versus Partner Program


> Rocky
>
> AFAICT you have to join the partner program (free) then you are allowed to
> buy the action pack.  I just did so but haven't received the action pack
> yet.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
> Beach Access Software
> Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2004 1:56 PM
> To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Fw: Action Pack versus Partner Program
>
>
>
> > Any opinions on the Action Pack versus the Partner program?
> >
> > TIA
> >
> > Rocky Smolin
> > Beach Access Software
> > http://www.e-z-mrp.com
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Dixon" <dixon at fossware.net>
> > To: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <rsmolin at san.rr.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2004 10:58 AM
> > Subject: Re: Fw: ...holy smoly!!!
> >
> >
> > > Rocky,
> > >       The Action Pac contains less stuff and has less obligation and
> lower
> > price. Bottom line, I think Action Pac is best for me and the full pac
> > you are looking at may be best for you.
> > >
> > > Action Pac has 5 licenses for:
> > > Win XP Pro, Office Pro 2003, MapPoint, FrontPage, InfoPath, OneNote,
> > InfoPath, Project, Publisher, Sharepoint, Visio, VirtualPC.
> > > And a bunch of servers; SQL2000Standard, LiveCommunications,
> > > Exchange,
> > MobileInformation, Windows2003Standard, Windows2003Web and
> > SmallBusiness.
> > > It also has tons of sales training material.
> > > Development tools such as .Net, Visual Studio and other compilers
> > > are
> not
> > included.
> > > Price is $300/Year with no limit on continuing subscriptions,
> > > quarterly
> > updates and no obligations to produce anything.
> > >
> > > The one you are looking at may be more interesting for you because
> > > it
> > includes the same software plus other systems (Win2K) and .Net and
> > more
> MSDN
> > features and you can satisfy the development obligation. Drawbacks
> > are; it only lasts for two years then reverts to standard pricing.
> > >
> > > Dixon.
> > >
> > > ======= At 2004-09-03, 22:24:00 you wrote: =======
> > >
> > > >Dixon:
> > > >
> > > >This is the Microsoft deal I was looking at.  How's this compare to
> > > >the Action Pack?
> > > >
> > > >Rocky
> > > >
> > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > >From: "William Hindman" <wdhindman at bellsouth.net>
> > > >To: "'Steven W. Erbach'" <serbach at new.rr.com>
> > > >Cc: <rsmolin at san.rr.com>; <jon.tydda at alcontrol.co.uk>;
> > > ><piergrossi at new.rr.com>; <gkjos at comcast.net>;
<ssharkins at bellsouth.net>
> > > >Sent: Monday, July 26, 2004 10:42 AM
> > > >Subject: ...holy smoly!!!
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >http://members.microsoft.com/partner/competency/isvcomp/empower/default
> >.asp
> > x
> > > >#P59_3411
> > > >
> > > >....check this out ...a full MSDN Universal Subscription for only
> > $375.00!
> > > >
> > > >....from Microsoft themselves!
> > > >
> > > >....that's an incredible price when you consider it includes
> > > >virtually
> > every
> > > >piece of Microsoft software except maybe Flight simulator ...plus
> umpteen
> > > >developer aids and CD updates every month ...plus five user
> > > >licenses.
> > > >
> > > >....all you have to do is register as a partner (very easy, no
> > > >cost)
> and
> > > >PROMISE to develop an application for a market of your choice.
> > > >
> > > >....and they'll let you do this for two years before moving you up
> > > >to
> > regular
> > > >pricing.
> > > >
> > > >William Hindman
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >.
> > >
> > > = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
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From Oleg_123 at xuppa.com  Sat Sep  4 18:48:30 2004
From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com (Oleg_123 at xuppa.com)
Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 19:48:30 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Import columns
In-Reply-To: <b874372a04090408505f9a8dc8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b874372a04090322136fd861ba@mail.gmail.com>
	<FJEJLIPOMCGJALMGLLLIAEEMCGAA.accessd@shaw.ca>
	<b874372a04090408505f9a8dc8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <16154.216.223.34.13.1094341710.squirrel@heck.xuppa.com>

Hey Group, happy holidays fro those of u in US. I am supposed to count the
number of columns and based on the result import the data into a table
with month names. The last column always contains December
Am I on the right track ?
This is what I've done so far ---

Private Sub Command1_Click()
Dim cnn As ADODB.Connection
Dim rst1 As New ADODB.Recordset
Dim SQL1 As String, SQL2 As String
Dim a As Integer 'number of columns
Dim b As Integer
Dim Jan, Feb, Mar, Apr, May, Jun, Jul, Aug, Sep, Oct, Nov, Dec

Set cnn = CurrentProject.Connection

SQL1 = "Select * From Hrsqd"
rst1.Open SQL1, cnn, adOpenKeyset, adLockOptimistic, adCmdTableDirect

a = rst1.Fields.Count 'number of fields
b = a - 2 ' number of month fields



If b = 6 Then 'Jul - Dec
Do Until rst1.EOF
Jul = rst1.Fields(3)
Aug = rst1.Fields(4)
Sep = rst1.Fields(5)
Oct = rst1.Fields(6)
Nov = rst1.Fields(7)
Dec = rst1.Fields(8)
Loop
End If

If b = 5 Then 'Aug - Dec
Do Until rst1.EOF
Aug = rst1.Fields(3)
Sep = rst1.Fields(4)
Oct = rst1.Fields(5)
Nov = rst1.Fields(6)
Dec = rst1.Fields(7)
Loop
End If

If b = 4 Then 'Sep - Dec
Do Until rst1.EOF
Sep = rst1.Fields(3)
Oct = rst1.Fields(4)
Nov = rst1.Fields(5)
Dec = rst1.Fields(6)
Loop
End If

rst1.Close

SQL2 = "INSERT Into HRSQD_Full (Jan, Feb, Mar, Apr, May, Jun, Jul, Aug,
Sep, Oct, Nov, Dec) Values (" & Jan & "," & Feb & "," & Mar & "," & Apr &
"," & May & "," & Jun & "," & Jul & "," & Aug & "," & Sep & "," & Oct &
"," & Nov & "," & Dec & ")"

MsgBox a

End Sub


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From lister at actuarial-files.com  Sat Sep  4 18:57:34 2004
From: lister at actuarial-files.com (Ralf Lister)
Date: Sat, 04 Sep 2004 23:57:34 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] OpenForm gets cancelled
Message-ID: <000001c47a7e$ca728fb0$d8bd3ac8@ralf>

Hello all,

I have a weird problem: In one of my forms I have coded "DoCmd.Openform "frmForm"". But everytime I try to execute this Code I get the message "Error message 2501 at run time. The action OpenForm was cancelled".

Can someone help me out, so I can perform the OpenForm-Command.

TIA

Saludos
Ralf


From Jeff at OUTBAKTech.com  Sat Sep  4 19:10:44 2004
From: Jeff at OUTBAKTech.com (Jeff Barrows)
Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 19:10:44 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Fw: Action Pack versus Partner Program
Message-ID: <8DA8776D2F418E46A2A464AC6CE630509341@outbaksrv1.outbaktech.com>

The Action Pack renewal is only $199/yr. 

Jeff Barrows
MCP, MCAD, MCSD
 
Outbak Technologies, LLC
Racine, WI
jeff at outbaktech.com
-----Original Message-----
From: JMoss [mailto:jmoss111 at bellsouth.net] 
Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2004 5:49 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Fw: Action Pack versus Partner Program

You don't really get anything in the Partner program which is free. The
Action Pack is $299/yr and the Action Pack Plus is $399/yr. The Plus
gets
you a subscription of Microsoft bCentral List Builder in addition to
what
you get in the Action Pack subscription.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
Beach Access Software
Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2004 3:42 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Fw: Action Pack versus Partner Program


Es verdad.  I was just wondering if the additional stuff you get in the
partner program was worth the extra $75.

Rocky

----- Original Message -----
From: "John W. Colby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2004 11:17 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Fw: Action Pack versus Partner Program


> Rocky
>
> AFAICT you have to join the partner program (free) then you are
allowed to
> buy the action pack.  I just did so but haven't received the action
pack
> yet.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky
Smolin -
> Beach Access Software
> Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2004 1:56 PM
> To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Fw: Action Pack versus Partner Program
>
>
>
> > Any opinions on the Action Pack versus the Partner program?
> >
> > TIA
> >
> > Rocky Smolin
> > Beach Access Software
> > http://www.e-z-mrp.com
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Dixon" <dixon at fossware.net>
> > To: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <rsmolin at san.rr.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2004 10:58 AM
> > Subject: Re: Fw: ...holy smoly!!!
> >
> >
> > > Rocky,
> > >       The Action Pac contains less stuff and has less obligation
and
> lower
> > price. Bottom line, I think Action Pac is best for me and the full
pac
> > you are looking at may be best for you.
> > >
> > > Action Pac has 5 licenses for:
> > > Win XP Pro, Office Pro 2003, MapPoint, FrontPage, InfoPath,
OneNote,
> > InfoPath, Project, Publisher, Sharepoint, Visio, VirtualPC.
> > > And a bunch of servers; SQL2000Standard, LiveCommunications,
> > > Exchange,
> > MobileInformation, Windows2003Standard, Windows2003Web and
> > SmallBusiness.
> > > It also has tons of sales training material.
> > > Development tools such as .Net, Visual Studio and other compilers
> > > are
> not
> > included.
> > > Price is $300/Year with no limit on continuing subscriptions,
> > > quarterly
> > updates and no obligations to produce anything.
> > >
> > > The one you are looking at may be more interesting for you because
> > > it
> > includes the same software plus other systems (Win2K) and .Net and
> > more
> MSDN
> > features and you can satisfy the development obligation. Drawbacks
> > are; it only lasts for two years then reverts to standard pricing.
> > >
> > > Dixon.
> > >
> > > ======= At 2004-09-03, 22:24:00 you wrote: =======
> > >
> > > >Dixon:
> > > >
> > > >This is the Microsoft deal I was looking at.  How's this compare
to
> > > >the Action Pack?
> > > >
> > > >Rocky
> > > >
> > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > >From: "William Hindman" <wdhindman at bellsouth.net>
> > > >To: "'Steven W. Erbach'" <serbach at new.rr.com>
> > > >Cc: <rsmolin at san.rr.com>; <jon.tydda at alcontrol.co.uk>;
> > > ><piergrossi at new.rr.com>; <gkjos at comcast.net>;
<ssharkins at bellsouth.net>
> > > >Sent: Monday, July 26, 2004 10:42 AM
> > > >Subject: ...holy smoly!!!
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
>http://members.microsoft.com/partner/competency/isvcomp/empower/default
> >.asp
> > x
> > > >#P59_3411
> > > >
> > > >....check this out ...a full MSDN Universal Subscription for only
> > $375.00!
> > > >
> > > >....from Microsoft themselves!
> > > >
> > > >....that's an incredible price when you consider it includes
> > > >virtually
> > every
> > > >piece of Microsoft software except maybe Flight simulator ...plus
> umpteen
> > > >developer aids and CD updates every month ...plus five user
> > > >licenses.
> > > >
> > > >....all you have to do is register as a partner (very easy, no
> > > >cost)
> and
> > > >PROMISE to develop an application for a market of your choice.
> > > >
> > > >....and they'll let you do this for two years before moving you
up
> > > >to
> > regular
> > > >pricing.
> > > >
> > > >William Hindman
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >.
> > >
> > > = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sat Sep  4 19:59:50 2004
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sun, 05 Sep 2004 10:59:50 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Import columns
In-Reply-To: <16154.216.223.34.13.1094341710.squirrel@heck.xuppa.com>
References: <b874372a04090408505f9a8dc8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <413AF1A6.26310.4C93E5A@lexacorp.com.pg>

On 4 Sep 2004 at 19:48, Oleg_123 at xuppa.com wrote:

> Hey Group, happy holidays fro those of u in US. I am supposed to count the
> number of columns and based on the result import the data into a table
> with month names. The last column always contains December
> Am I on the right track ?

Sounds like someone wants a homework assignment done for them :-)




-- 
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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Sat Sep  4 23:15:24 2004
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 21:15:24 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OpenForm gets cancelled
References: <000001c47a7e$ca728fb0$d8bd3ac8@ralf>
Message-ID: <017001c492fe$f80433f0$6601a8c0@HAL9002>

Ralf:

Sounds like something is going wrong in frmForm.  Can you open it in form
view from the database container?  Can you do a "compile all" without a
compile error?

Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
http://www.e-z-mrp.com


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ralf Lister" <lister at actuarial-files.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2004 4:51 PM
Subject: [AccessD] OpenForm gets cancelled


Hello all,

I have a weird problem: In one of my forms I have coded "DoCmd.Openform
"frmForm"". But everytime I try to execute this Code I get the message
"Error message 2501 at run time. The action OpenForm was cancelled".

Can someone help me out, so I can perform the OpenForm-Command.

TIA

Saludos
Ralf
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Sun Sep  5 04:22:45 2004
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 11:22:45 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Remote Desktop Connection Client 1.0.2 for Mac OS X
In-Reply-To: <b874372a04090409047ad3608a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6826407592.20040827181338@cactus.dk>
	<15718612102.20040903172429@cactus.dk>
	<b874372a04090409047ad3608a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <114417632.20040905112245@cactus.dk>

Hi Francisco

Remote control is not what I had in mind.

A terminal server allows, say, ten users to access your Access app
concurrently - and those ten users could be powered by a Macintosh.

/gustav


> Date: 2004-09-04 18:04

> I currently do not have a need for Mac desktop connectivity... but for
> all my Windoze system I use UltraVNC, and for Other platforms I use
> RealVNC.

> you can google for either...


>> No comments on this?
>> Looks like an easy way to bring your app to the desktop of a Mac user.
>> 
>> /gustav
>> 
>> > Anyone having experiences with this, running Access or anything else?
>> 
>> > http://www.microsoft.com/mac/downloads.aspx?pid=download&location=/mac/DOWNLOAD/MISC/RDC.xml&secid=80&ssid=9&flgnosysreq=False
>> 
>> > If connecting to a Terminal Server what are the licensing for this
>> > for, say, 10 users? What that be a Windows 2003 server with 10 CALs?



From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Sun Sep  5 04:42:24 2004
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps - IT Helps)
Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 11:42:24 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Reader for .MSG files.
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF734D@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

That seems to be it...

No price, no eval.
Requested info..

Thx
Erwin 

-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Namens Stuart McLachlan
Verzonden: zaterdag 4 september 2004 2:06
Aan: Access Developers discussion and problemsolving
Onderwerp: RE: [AccessD] Reader for .MSG files.

On 3 Sep 2004 at 8:40, Erwin Craps - IT Helps wrote:

> And it really must be a simple viewer like The Access Snapshot viewer 
> (for example).
> Just by doubleclicking on the .MSG file the content must displayed and

> the Excel file in the .MSG file can be opened directly like in 
> outlook...
> 

Take a look at

http://www.priasoft.com/products_msg_v.asp
"MSG File Viewer is a convenient application for opening MSG files and
reading, printing, or viewing the attachments within. MSG Viewer also
has a lightning fast search utility to allow you to find MSG files that
meet specific attributes and then open them in the Viewer."

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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sun Sep  5 04:54:15 2004
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sun, 05 Sep 2004 19:54:15 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Reader for .MSG files.
In-Reply-To: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF734D@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
Message-ID: <413B6EE7.25507.6B28367@lexacorp.com.pg>

On 5 Sep 2004 at 11:42, Erwin Craps - IT Helps wrote:

> That seems to be it...
> 
> No price, no eval.
> Requested info..
> 

There was a page to request an  evaluation copy (after you have told them 
your life history)

http://www.priasoft.com/evaluation.asp
-- 
Stuart




From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Sun Sep  5 04:58:50 2004
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps - IT Helps)
Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 11:58:50 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Reader for .MSG files.
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF7350@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

Yes I seen it and told them the story of my life...
I should be getting it for free, for compassion now :-)

-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Namens Stuart McLachlan
Verzonden: zondag 5 september 2004 11:54
Aan: Access Developers discussion and problemsolving
Onderwerp: RE: [AccessD] Reader for .MSG files.

On 5 Sep 2004 at 11:42, Erwin Craps - IT Helps wrote:

> That seems to be it...
> 
> No price, no eval.
> Requested info..
> 

There was a page to request an  evaluation copy (after you have told
them your life history)

http://www.priasoft.com/evaluation.asp
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Sun Sep  5 06:22:50 2004
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 13:22:50 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Import columns
In-Reply-To: <16154.216.223.34.13.1094341710.squirrel@heck.xuppa.com>
References: <b874372a04090322136fd861ba@mail.gmail.com>
	<FJEJLIPOMCGJALMGLLLIAEEMCGAA.accessd@shaw.ca>
	<b874372a04090408505f9a8dc8@mail.gmail.com>
	<16154.216.223.34.13.1094341710.squirrel@heck.xuppa.com>
Message-ID: <5211622762.20040905132250@cactus.dk>

Hi Oleg

Assuming that your 12 fields are juxtaposed, why not just loop through
the records and the fields:

Public Function AppendRecords()

  ' First field of source table to pick data.
  Const clngRst1Offset As Long = 4  ' Adjust!
  ' First field of target table to insert data.
  Const clngRst2Offset As Long = 1  ' Adjust!
  ' Max count of fields to use in target table.
  Const clngRst2Max    As Long = 12

  Dim cnn        As ADODB.Connection
  Dim rst1       As ADODB.Recordset
  Dim rst2       As ADODB.Recordset
  Dim strSQL1    As String
  Dim strSQL2    As String
  Dim lngField1  As Long
  Dim lngField2  As Long
  Dim lngField   As Long
  
  Set cnn = CurrentProject.Connection
  Set rst1 = New ADODB.Recordset
  Set rst2 = New ADODB.Recordset
  
  strSQL1 = "Select * From Hrsqd"
  strSQL2 = "Select Top 1 * From Hrsqd_Full"
  
  rst1.Open strSQL1, cnn, adOpenKeyset, adLockOptimistic, adCmdTableDirect
  rst2.Open strSQL2, cnn, adOpenKeyset, adLockOptimistic, adCmdTableDirect
  
  ' Number of fields to pick from source table.
  lngField1 = rst1.Fields.Count - clngRst1Offset
  ' First field in target table to insert data.
  lngField2 = clngRst2Offset + clngRst2Max - lngField1
  
  Do While Not rst1.EOF
    rst2.AddNew
      For lngField = 0 To lngField1 - 1
        rst2.Fields(lngField2 + lngField).Value = _
          rst1.Fields(clngRst1Offset + lngField).Value
      Next
    rst2.Update
    rst1.MoveNext
  Loop
  
  rst2.Close
  rst1.Close
  
  Set rst2 = Nothing
  Set rst1 = Nothing
  Set cnn = Nothing

End Function

/gustav


> Hey Group, happy holidays fro those of u in US. I am supposed to count the
> number of columns and based on the result import the data into a table
> with month names. The last column always contains December
> Am I on the right track ?
> This is what I've done so far ---

> Private Sub Command1_Click()
> Dim cnn As ADODB.Connection
> Dim rst1 As New ADODB.Recordset
> Dim SQL1 As String, SQL2 As String
> Dim a As Integer 'number of columns
> Dim b As Integer
> Dim Jan, Feb, Mar, Apr, May, Jun, Jul, Aug, Sep, Oct, Nov, Dec

> Set cnn = CurrentProject.Connection

> SQL1 = "Select * From Hrsqd"
> rst1.Open SQL1, cnn, adOpenKeyset, adLockOptimistic, adCmdTableDirect

> a = rst1.Fields.Count 'number of fields
> b = a - 2 ' number of month fields



> If b = 6 Then 'Jul - Dec
> Do Until rst1.EOF
> Jul = rst1.Fields(3)
> Aug = rst1.Fields(4)
> Sep = rst1.Fields(5)
> Oct = rst1.Fields(6)
> Nov = rst1.Fields(7)
> Dec = rst1.Fields(8)
> Loop
> End If

> If b = 5 Then 'Aug - Dec
> Do Until rst1.EOF
> Aug = rst1.Fields(3)
> Sep = rst1.Fields(4)
> Oct = rst1.Fields(5)
> Nov = rst1.Fields(6)
> Dec = rst1.Fields(7)
> Loop
> End If

> If b = 4 Then 'Sep - Dec
> Do Until rst1.EOF
> Sep = rst1.Fields(3)
> Oct = rst1.Fields(4)
> Nov = rst1.Fields(5)
> Dec = rst1.Fields(6)
> Loop
> End If

> rst1.Close

> SQL2 = "INSERT Into HRSQD_Full (Jan, Feb, Mar, Apr, May, Jun, Jul, Aug,
> Sep, Oct, Nov, Dec) Values (" & Jan & "," & Feb & "," & Mar & "," & Apr &
> "," & May & "," & Jun & "," & Jul & "," & Aug & "," & Sep & "," & Oct &
> "," & Nov & "," & Dec & ")"

> MsgBox a

> End Sub



From fhtapia at gmail.com  Sun Sep  5 11:15:28 2004
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 09:15:28 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Remote Desktop Connection Client 1.0.2 for Mac OS X
In-Reply-To: <114417632.20040905112245@cactus.dk>
References: <6826407592.20040827181338@cactus.dk>
	<15718612102.20040903172429@cactus.dk>
	<b874372a04090409047ad3608a@mail.gmail.com>
	<114417632.20040905112245@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <b874372a04090509157d0ca030@mail.gmail.com>

haha, i misunderstood, it did say Remote Desktop Connection


On Sun, 5 Sep 2004 11:22:45 +0200, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
> Hi Francisco
> 
> Remote control is not what I had in mind.
> 
> A terminal server allows, say, ten users to access your Access app
> concurrently - and those ten users could be powered by a Macintosh.
> 
> /gustav
> 
> > Date: 2004-09-04 18:04
> 
> 
> 
> > I currently do not have a need for Mac desktop connectivity... but for
> > all my Windoze system I use UltraVNC, and for Other platforms I use
> > RealVNC.
> 
> > you can google for either...
> 
> >> No comments on this?
> >> Looks like an easy way to bring your app to the desktop of a Mac user.
> >>
> >> /gustav
> >>
> >> > Anyone having experiences with this, running Access or anything else?
> >>
> >> > http://www.microsoft.com/mac/downloads.aspx?pid=download&location=/mac/DOWNLOAD/MISC/RDC.xml&secid=80&ssid=9&flgnosysreq=False
> >>
> >> > If connecting to a Terminal Server what are the licensing for this
> >> > for, say, 10 users? What that be a Windows 2003 server with 10 CALs?
> 
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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Sun Sep  5 11:28:55 2004
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 09:28:55 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Keyboard Shortcut for comments
Message-ID: <004d01c49365$704cd540$6601a8c0@HAL9002>

Dear List:

On the edit toolbar there are icons for commenting and uncommenting blocks of code.  Is there a keyboard shortcut for these?

MTIA

Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
http://www.e-z-mrp.com


From gustav at cactus.dk  Sun Sep  5 11:29:41 2004
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 18:29:41 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Remote Desktop Connection Client 1.0.2 for Mac OS X
In-Reply-To: <b874372a04090509157d0ca030@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6826407592.20040827181338@cactus.dk>
	<15718612102.20040903172429@cactus.dk>
	<b874372a04090409047ad3608a@mail.gmail.com>
	<114417632.20040905112245@cactus.dk>
	<b874372a04090509157d0ca030@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8030033395.20040905182941@cactus.dk>

Hi Francisco

> haha, i misunderstood, it did say Remote Desktop Connection

Yes, however, subject is the official name from MS.

/gustav


> On Sun, 5 Sep 2004 11:22:45 +0200, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
>> Hi Francisco
>> 
>> Remote control is not what I had in mind.
>> 
>> A terminal server allows, say, ten users to access your Access app
>> concurrently - and those ten users could be powered by a Macintosh.
>> 
>> /gustav



From fhtapia at gmail.com  Sun Sep  5 11:52:59 2004
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 09:52:59 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Remote Desktop Connection Client 1.0.2 for Mac OS X
In-Reply-To: <8030033395.20040905182941@cactus.dk>
References: <6826407592.20040827181338@cactus.dk>
	<15718612102.20040903172429@cactus.dk>
	<b874372a04090409047ad3608a@mail.gmail.com>
	<114417632.20040905112245@cactus.dk>
	<b874372a04090509157d0ca030@mail.gmail.com>
	<8030033395.20040905182941@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <b874372a04090509522bd41e76@mail.gmail.com>

i went back to re-read this and it looks like it's more for just
Remote Desktop vs, Terminal Services.  Am I mis-reading it?

and since we're on the topic of MACs, I've Never been a mac user/lover
but I saw their NEW imac G5's man what an awesome looking pc.  Sure no
expandability, but it IS nice, maybe for the wife :D.


On Sun, 5 Sep 2004 18:29:41 +0200, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
> Hi Francisco
> 
> > haha, i misunderstood, it did say Remote Desktop Connection
> 
> Yes, however, subject is the official name from MS.
> 
> /gustav
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > On Sun, 5 Sep 2004 11:22:45 +0200, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
> >> Hi Francisco
> >>
> >> Remote control is not what I had in mind.
> >>
> >> A terminal server allows, say, ten users to access your Access app
> >> concurrently - and those ten users could be powered by a Macintosh.
> >>
> >> /gustav
> 
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Sun Sep  5 12:09:11 2004
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 19:09:11 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Remote Desktop Connection Client 1.0.2 for Mac OS X
In-Reply-To: <b874372a04090509522bd41e76@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6826407592.20040827181338@cactus.dk>
	<15718612102.20040903172429@cactus.dk>
	<b874372a04090409047ad3608a@mail.gmail.com>
	<114417632.20040905112245@cactus.dk>
	<b874372a04090509157d0ca030@mail.gmail.com>
	<8030033395.20040905182941@cactus.dk>
	<b874372a04090509522bd41e76@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6632403343.20040905190911@cactus.dk>

Hi Francisco

> i went back to re-read this and it looks like it's more for just
> Remote Desktop vs, Terminal Services.  Am I mis-reading it?

No, that's right. It's a client which will open a window on the Mac
with a Windows Terminal Server session. Within this you can offer the
Mac user to run your Access app off the Terminal Server without
installing anything else on the Mac than this client.

(You probably know all this, but it may be new stuff for someone else
following this thread).

I'm no Mac-fan but if clients wish to pay for a Terminal Server setup,
I don't mind as long as it works reliably.

/gustav



From EricGoetz at egisystems.com  Sun Sep  5 12:57:33 2004
From: EricGoetz at egisystems.com (Eric Goetz)
Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 10:57:33 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Can you Raid
Message-ID: <37E09725C7EB7B4F9E1ACA8F24EE55DB203C6C@servera22.doma.ops>

Hi John,

I've worked with Windows 2000 Server software RAID 1. I've found that I
could take either drive out, and boot off the other one. I wanted to go
through the process of recovering from a failed drive before I had one.

To get the system to boot off the drive in the second slot, I used a
boot floppy with a boot.ini file that specified both slots as having an
OS.

I found that once I booted from one of the mirrored disks, I could not
just put the other one back in and have a happy day. I needed to wipe
the drive and rebuild the mirror.

I used MS knowledge base article 311578, How to Edit the Boot.ini File
in Windows 2000 for help.

I think I'll use this idea for those systems where I can't get the right
disk controller drivers for Ghost to work.

I hope this helps you out.

Thanks,
 
Eric
 

-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2004 10:17 AM
To: AccessD; Tech - Database Advisors Inc.
Subject: [AccessD] Can you Raid

Does anyone know if you can use Windows built-in raid capability to set
up a
raid 1 (mirror) then break the raid and move the mirror to another
identical
machine as the boot drive?  I have a pair of MSI k8n Neo motherboards
that I
purchased.  I have a pair of 80 gb samsung drives in one machine that I
have
just finished setting up.  I need to create an image of that setup and
move
that image to the other machine.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Sun Sep  5 13:03:20 2004
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Sun, 05 Sep 2004 11:03:20 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Info Sample Data Models
References: <000001c47a7e$ca728fb0$d8bd3ac8@ralf>
	<017001c492fe$f80433f0$6601a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <413B54E8.20302@shaw.ca>

 Just something I re-rembered from a couple of years ago.
This site is useful if you have to pull up a quick starting point data 
model for a client.
Maybe someone will find useful.
It has several hundred examples that you can mix and match.
there are several hundred examples from Afghan rainfall to Zoos
These include things like customer service, BOM and pizza delivery.
There are small examples to handle things that might get complicated
like traditional and contemporary marriage or customer metrics.

http://www.databaseanswers.org/data_models/index.htm

-- 
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada





From EricGoetz at egisystems.com  Sun Sep  5 13:32:32 2004
From: EricGoetz at egisystems.com (Eric Goetz)
Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 11:32:32 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Parts and assemblies design
Message-ID: <37E09725C7EB7B4F9E1ACA8F24EE55DB203C6D@servera22.doma.ops>

Hi,

 

I am working on a database to replace some paper forms. I get the
feeling I'm starting more "from scratch" than I need to. So I thought
I'd ask if anyone knows of any examples of solutions for the following
problem.

 

A medical device manufacturer needs to track all the actions performed
on each device as it moves through manufacturing to meet FDA
requirements. The forms are called "travelers." The first traveler gets
created when the device is built. A new traveler gets created every time
the device returns from the field (for upgrade or repair.) 

 

The forms show each part with its revision, part number, lot number, or
other attribute. There are different attributes for different types of
parts. Such as, software has a checksum, and a revision number while a
relay has does not. Instead, a relay has a lot number.

 

Here are a couple of my challenges:

 

I am modeling parts and assemblies, where an assembly is also a part. As
the devices come back from the field, they may get upgraded with
different parts and assemblies so the hierarchy is flexible. There seems
to be a many to many relationship between parts and assemblies. So, I
made a basic parts table: 

 

Part { ID, PartNumber, Name } where ID is the primary key

Sample data: 

{ 1, 26.026, Enclosure }

{ 57, 26.002, PCA }

{ 113, 26.100, ECA }

{ 114, 26.098, Xfrm }

{ 115, 26.022, Xfrm }

{ 116, 26.021, Xfrm }

 

And I made another table to hold the many to many assignments between
parts and assemblies.

AssyPartAssignment { ID, AssyID, PartID, Name } where ID is the primary
key and AssyID and PartID are foreign keys for the ID in the Part table.

Sample data:

{ 1, 113, 57, Controller PCA }

{ 2, 113, 1, ECA Enclosure }

{ 3, 57, 114, Xfrm T1 }

{ 4, 57, 115, Xfrm T2 }

{ 5, 57, 116, Xfrm T3 }

{ 6, 57, 115, Xfrm T4 }

 

The report needs to show this hierarchy. 

26.100 - ECA

  26.026 - ECA Enclosure

    26.002 - Controller PCA

      26.098 - Xfrm T1

      26.022 - Xfrm T2

      26.021 - Xfrm T3

      26.022 - Xfrm T4

 

The same transformer, 26.022 shows up twice in the PCA assembly.

 

I'll build more tables for the different attributes of parts, such as,
software with its checksum, and parts that have only lots, and parts
that have revisions and lots. I'll use the ID key from the Part table as
the primary key for the subtype tables based on the entity relationship
chapter from the CJDate book.

 

I need to make the forms to enter these variable hierarchies. 

 

Got any suggestions that might put a little more holiday in my Labor
Day?

 

Thanks,

 

Eric

 

 



From EricGoetz at egisystems.com  Sun Sep  5 13:36:27 2004
From: EricGoetz at egisystems.com (Eric Goetz)
Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 11:36:27 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Info Sample Data Models
Message-ID: <37E09725C7EB7B4F9E1ACA8F24EE55DB203C6E@servera22.doma.ops>

Hi,

I wish I would have seen this before I posted that long request for
design help.

Thanks,
 
Eric
 
c: (408) 892-7491
 

-----Original Message-----
From: MartyConnelly [mailto:martyconnelly at shaw.ca] 
Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 11:03 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Info Sample Data Models

 Just something I re-rembered from a couple of years ago.
This site is useful if you have to pull up a quick starting point data 
model for a client.
Maybe someone will find useful.
It has several hundred examples that you can mix and match.
there are several hundred examples from Afghan rainfall to Zoos
These include things like customer service, BOM and pizza delivery.
There are small examples to handle things that might get complicated
like traditional and contemporary marriage or customer metrics.

http://www.databaseanswers.org/data_models/index.htm

-- 
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada



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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Sun Sep  5 14:02:34 2004
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 14:02:34 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Parts and assemblies design
In-Reply-To: <25833773.1094409795534.JavaMail.root@sniper7.usinternet.com>
Message-ID: <000201c4937a$e7497260$de1811d8@danwaters>

Eric,

 

You are getting into the basics of a Material Resource Planning system
(MRP).  You are making a Bill of Material (BOM) structure.  I would
recommend that you find some examples of these before you do much more work.
(Sorry I can't give you direction on this.)  I suspect though, that using
many-to-many relationships are not what you will want.

 

Also, since you are developing a system for a medical device company, you
must be very familiar with the FDA's rule on electronic records and
signatures.  This is called Title 21 CFR Part 11.  Much information is on
the FDA's website, 

 

http://www.accessdata.fda.gov/scripts/cdrh/cfdocs/cfcfr/CFRSearch.cfm?CFRPar
t=11

 

Also, there are some guidance documents issued by the FDA over the past
couple of years that will have an impact on what you're doing.

 

The Regulatory Manager at your company should be able to give you more
information.

 

Best of Luck!

Dan

 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Eric Goetz
Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 1:33 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Parts and assemblies design

 

Hi,

 

 

 

I am working on a database to replace some paper forms. I get the

feeling I'm starting more "from scratch" than I need to. So I thought

I'd ask if anyone knows of any examples of solutions for the following

problem.

 

 

 

A medical device manufacturer needs to track all the actions performed

on each device as it moves through manufacturing to meet FDA

requirements. The forms are called "travelers." The first traveler gets

created when the device is built. A new traveler gets created every time

the device returns from the field (for upgrade or repair.) 

 

 

 

The forms show each part with its revision, part number, lot number, or

other attribute. There are different attributes for different types of

parts. Such as, software has a checksum, and a revision number while a

relay has does not. Instead, a relay has a lot number.

 

 

 

Here are a couple of my challenges:

 

 

 

I am modeling parts and assemblies, where an assembly is also a part. As

the devices come back from the field, they may get upgraded with

different parts and assemblies so the hierarchy is flexible. There seems

to be a many to many relationship between parts and assemblies. So, I

made a basic parts table: 

 

 

 

Part { ID, PartNumber, Name } where ID is the primary key

 

Sample data: 

 

{ 1, 26.026, Enclosure }

 

{ 57, 26.002, PCA }

 

{ 113, 26.100, ECA }

 

{ 114, 26.098, Xfrm }

 

{ 115, 26.022, Xfrm }

 

{ 116, 26.021, Xfrm }

 

 

 

And I made another table to hold the many to many assignments between

parts and assemblies.

 

AssyPartAssignment { ID, AssyID, PartID, Name } where ID is the primary

key and AssyID and PartID are foreign keys for the ID in the Part table.

 

Sample data:

 

{ 1, 113, 57, Controller PCA }

 

{ 2, 113, 1, ECA Enclosure }

 

{ 3, 57, 114, Xfrm T1 }

 

{ 4, 57, 115, Xfrm T2 }

 

{ 5, 57, 116, Xfrm T3 }

 

{ 6, 57, 115, Xfrm T4 }

 

 

 

The report needs to show this hierarchy. 

 

26.100 - ECA

 

  26.026 - ECA Enclosure

 

    26.002 - Controller PCA

 

      26.098 - Xfrm T1

 

      26.022 - Xfrm T2

 

      26.021 - Xfrm T3

 

      26.022 - Xfrm T4

 

 

 

The same transformer, 26.022 shows up twice in the PCA assembly.

 

 

 

I'll build more tables for the different attributes of parts, such as,

software with its checksum, and parts that have only lots, and parts

that have revisions and lots. I'll use the ID key from the Part table as

the primary key for the subtype tables based on the entity relationship

chapter from the CJDate book.

 

 

 

I need to make the forms to enter these variable hierarchies. 

 

 

 

Got any suggestions that might put a little more holiday in my Labor

Day?

 

 

 

Thanks,

 

 

 

Eric

 

 

 

 

 

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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Sun Sep  5 14:17:43 2004
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 12:17:43 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Parts and assemblies design
References: <37E09725C7EB7B4F9E1ACA8F24EE55DB203C6D@servera22.doma.ops>
Message-ID: <00aa01c4937d$054f61a0$6601a8c0@HAL9002>

Eric:

Shameless plug for my manufacturing system.  You can check it out at
www.ezmrp.com

It will do the structured bills of material that they need.

I just added a Capacity Requirements Planning module to the system which
does not yet show on the web site however.  In the CRP module you define
work centers and then add routings for each assembly - queue time, set up
time and unit run time for each operation.  Although it's not part of their
immediate requirement, as a bonus, the CRP Calculate program will calculate
how much of each work center's capacity is being used every day.

Once they have that database built, since EZMRP is written in Access, and
since the back end is wide open, you could easily write a report in their
custom format, although E-Z-MRP does have a traveler report which shows the
start date for each operation based on a specific work order, that work
order's due date, and the assembly's lead time and, actually, the report you
model there looks mostly like an indented bill of materials, which, of
course, E-Z-MRP does.

Starting with E-Z-MRP's framework might save you a LOT of development time.
(BTW, the audit trail that it produces on each inventory transaction, to
which you can attach a serial or lot number, also goes along way towards
satisfying FDA requirements.)

If you're interested after checking the web site, please contact me off-line
at bchacc at san.rr.com and I'll give you a system to evaluate.  Or call if you
want to talk about it - 858-259-4334.

HTH

Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
http://www.e-z-mrp.com




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Eric Goetz" <EricGoetz at egisystems.com>
To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 11:32 AM
Subject: [AccessD] Parts and assemblies design


Hi,



I am working on a database to replace some paper forms. I get the
feeling I'm starting more "from scratch" than I need to. So I thought
I'd ask if anyone knows of any examples of solutions for the following
problem.



A medical device manufacturer needs to track all the actions performed
on each device as it moves through manufacturing to meet FDA
requirements. The forms are called "travelers." The first traveler gets
created when the device is built. A new traveler gets created every time
the device returns from the field (for upgrade or repair.)



The forms show each part with its revision, part number, lot number, or
other attribute. There are different attributes for different types of
parts. Such as, software has a checksum, and a revision number while a
relay has does not. Instead, a relay has a lot number.



Here are a couple of my challenges:



I am modeling parts and assemblies, where an assembly is also a part. As
the devices come back from the field, they may get upgraded with
different parts and assemblies so the hierarchy is flexible. There seems
to be a many to many relationship between parts and assemblies. So, I
made a basic parts table:



Part { ID, PartNumber, Name } where ID is the primary key

Sample data:

{ 1, 26.026, Enclosure }

{ 57, 26.002, PCA }

{ 113, 26.100, ECA }

{ 114, 26.098, Xfrm }

{ 115, 26.022, Xfrm }

{ 116, 26.021, Xfrm }



And I made another table to hold the many to many assignments between
parts and assemblies.

AssyPartAssignment { ID, AssyID, PartID, Name } where ID is the primary
key and AssyID and PartID are foreign keys for the ID in the Part table.

Sample data:

{ 1, 113, 57, Controller PCA }

{ 2, 113, 1, ECA Enclosure }

{ 3, 57, 114, Xfrm T1 }

{ 4, 57, 115, Xfrm T2 }

{ 5, 57, 116, Xfrm T3 }

{ 6, 57, 115, Xfrm T4 }



The report needs to show this hierarchy.

26.100 - ECA

  26.026 - ECA Enclosure

    26.002 - Controller PCA

      26.098 - Xfrm T1

      26.022 - Xfrm T2

      26.021 - Xfrm T3

      26.022 - Xfrm T4



The same transformer, 26.022 shows up twice in the PCA assembly.



I'll build more tables for the different attributes of parts, such as,
software with its checksum, and parts that have only lots, and parts
that have revisions and lots. I'll use the ID key from the Part table as
the primary key for the subtype tables based on the entity relationship
chapter from the CJDate book.



I need to make the forms to enter these variable hierarchies.



Got any suggestions that might put a little more holiday in my Labor
Day?



Thanks,



Eric





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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Sun Sep  5 14:38:03 2004
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 14:38:03 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Parts and assemblies design
In-Reply-To: <6691981.1094412411561.JavaMail.root@sniper5.usinternet.com>
Message-ID: <000e01c4937f$dc74ac60$de1811d8@danwaters>

Hi Rocky!

Yes that was shameless.  But good!

I was wondering if you address electronic signatures, and if so, what's your
approach?

Thanks,
Dan Waters

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
Beach Access Software
Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 2:18 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Cc: Tom Hintz
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Parts and assemblies design

Eric:

Shameless plug for my manufacturing system.  You can check it out at
www.ezmrp.com

It will do the structured bills of material that they need.

I just added a Capacity Requirements Planning module to the system which
does not yet show on the web site however.  In the CRP module you define
work centers and then add routings for each assembly - queue time, set up
time and unit run time for each operation.  Although it's not part of their
immediate requirement, as a bonus, the CRP Calculate program will calculate
how much of each work center's capacity is being used every day.

Once they have that database built, since EZMRP is written in Access, and
since the back end is wide open, you could easily write a report in their
custom format, although E-Z-MRP does have a traveler report which shows the
start date for each operation based on a specific work order, that work
order's due date, and the assembly's lead time and, actually, the report you
model there looks mostly like an indented bill of materials, which, of
course, E-Z-MRP does.

Starting with E-Z-MRP's framework might save you a LOT of development time.
(BTW, the audit trail that it produces on each inventory transaction, to
which you can attach a serial or lot number, also goes along way towards
satisfying FDA requirements.)

If you're interested after checking the web site, please contact me off-line
at bchacc at san.rr.com and I'll give you a system to evaluate.  Or call if you
want to talk about it - 858-259-4334.

HTH

Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
http://www.e-z-mrp.com




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Eric Goetz" <EricGoetz at egisystems.com>
To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 11:32 AM
Subject: [AccessD] Parts and assemblies design


Hi,



I am working on a database to replace some paper forms. I get the
feeling I'm starting more "from scratch" than I need to. So I thought
I'd ask if anyone knows of any examples of solutions for the following
problem.



A medical device manufacturer needs to track all the actions performed
on each device as it moves through manufacturing to meet FDA
requirements. The forms are called "travelers." The first traveler gets
created when the device is built. A new traveler gets created every time
the device returns from the field (for upgrade or repair.)



The forms show each part with its revision, part number, lot number, or
other attribute. There are different attributes for different types of
parts. Such as, software has a checksum, and a revision number while a
relay has does not. Instead, a relay has a lot number.



Here are a couple of my challenges:



I am modeling parts and assemblies, where an assembly is also a part. As
the devices come back from the field, they may get upgraded with
different parts and assemblies so the hierarchy is flexible. There seems
to be a many to many relationship between parts and assemblies. So, I
made a basic parts table:



Part { ID, PartNumber, Name } where ID is the primary key

Sample data:

{ 1, 26.026, Enclosure }

{ 57, 26.002, PCA }

{ 113, 26.100, ECA }

{ 114, 26.098, Xfrm }

{ 115, 26.022, Xfrm }

{ 116, 26.021, Xfrm }



And I made another table to hold the many to many assignments between
parts and assemblies.

AssyPartAssignment { ID, AssyID, PartID, Name } where ID is the primary
key and AssyID and PartID are foreign keys for the ID in the Part table.

Sample data:

{ 1, 113, 57, Controller PCA }

{ 2, 113, 1, ECA Enclosure }

{ 3, 57, 114, Xfrm T1 }

{ 4, 57, 115, Xfrm T2 }

{ 5, 57, 116, Xfrm T3 }

{ 6, 57, 115, Xfrm T4 }



The report needs to show this hierarchy.

26.100 - ECA

  26.026 - ECA Enclosure

    26.002 - Controller PCA

      26.098 - Xfrm T1

      26.022 - Xfrm T2

      26.021 - Xfrm T3

      26.022 - Xfrm T4



The same transformer, 26.022 shows up twice in the PCA assembly.



I'll build more tables for the different attributes of parts, such as,
software with its checksum, and parts that have only lots, and parts
that have revisions and lots. I'll use the ID key from the Part table as
the primary key for the subtype tables based on the entity relationship
chapter from the CJDate book.



I need to make the forms to enter these variable hierarchies.



Got any suggestions that might put a little more holiday in my Labor
Day?



Thanks,



Eric





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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Sun Sep  5 15:05:30 2004
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 13:05:30 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Parts and assemblies design
References: <000e01c4937f$dc74ac60$de1811d8@danwaters>
Message-ID: <00cc01c49383$b1c3e220$6601a8c0@HAL9002>

Dan:

I have no shame.

But I also have no electronic signature feature in the system.

 The system evolved when I first released it (1985) based on what the
customers wanted.  So I suppose the first customer who needs electronic
signatures will get it.  But I have no earthly idea how they work. Yet.

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dan Waters" <dwaters at usinternet.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 12:38 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Parts and assemblies design


> Hi Rocky!
>
> Yes that was shameless.  But good!
>
> I was wondering if you address electronic signatures, and if so, what's
your
> approach?
>
> Thanks,
> Dan Waters
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
> Beach Access Software
> Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 2:18 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Cc: Tom Hintz
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Parts and assemblies design
>
> Eric:
>
> Shameless plug for my manufacturing system.  You can check it out at
> www.ezmrp.com
>
> It will do the structured bills of material that they need.
>
> I just added a Capacity Requirements Planning module to the system which
> does not yet show on the web site however.  In the CRP module you define
> work centers and then add routings for each assembly - queue time, set up
> time and unit run time for each operation.  Although it's not part of
their
> immediate requirement, as a bonus, the CRP Calculate program will
calculate
> how much of each work center's capacity is being used every day.
>
> Once they have that database built, since EZMRP is written in Access, and
> since the back end is wide open, you could easily write a report in their
> custom format, although E-Z-MRP does have a traveler report which shows
the
> start date for each operation based on a specific work order, that work
> order's due date, and the assembly's lead time and, actually, the report
you
> model there looks mostly like an indented bill of materials, which, of
> course, E-Z-MRP does.
>
> Starting with E-Z-MRP's framework might save you a LOT of development
time.
> (BTW, the audit trail that it produces on each inventory transaction, to
> which you can attach a serial or lot number, also goes along way towards
> satisfying FDA requirements.)
>
> If you're interested after checking the web site, please contact me
off-line
> at bchacc at san.rr.com and I'll give you a system to evaluate.  Or call if
you
> want to talk about it - 858-259-4334.
>
> HTH
>
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
> http://www.e-z-mrp.com
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Eric Goetz" <EricGoetz at egisystems.com>
> To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 11:32 AM
> Subject: [AccessD] Parts and assemblies design
>
>
> Hi,
>
>
>
> I am working on a database to replace some paper forms. I get the
> feeling I'm starting more "from scratch" than I need to. So I thought
> I'd ask if anyone knows of any examples of solutions for the following
> problem.
>
>
>
> A medical device manufacturer needs to track all the actions performed
> on each device as it moves through manufacturing to meet FDA
> requirements. The forms are called "travelers." The first traveler gets
> created when the device is built. A new traveler gets created every time
> the device returns from the field (for upgrade or repair.)
>
>
>
> The forms show each part with its revision, part number, lot number, or
> other attribute. There are different attributes for different types of
> parts. Such as, software has a checksum, and a revision number while a
> relay has does not. Instead, a relay has a lot number.
>
>
>
> Here are a couple of my challenges:
>
>
>
> I am modeling parts and assemblies, where an assembly is also a part. As
> the devices come back from the field, they may get upgraded with
> different parts and assemblies so the hierarchy is flexible. There seems
> to be a many to many relationship between parts and assemblies. So, I
> made a basic parts table:
>
>
>
> Part { ID, PartNumber, Name } where ID is the primary key
>
> Sample data:
>
> { 1, 26.026, Enclosure }
>
> { 57, 26.002, PCA }
>
> { 113, 26.100, ECA }
>
> { 114, 26.098, Xfrm }
>
> { 115, 26.022, Xfrm }
>
> { 116, 26.021, Xfrm }
>
>
>
> And I made another table to hold the many to many assignments between
> parts and assemblies.
>
> AssyPartAssignment { ID, AssyID, PartID, Name } where ID is the primary
> key and AssyID and PartID are foreign keys for the ID in the Part table.
>
> Sample data:
>
> { 1, 113, 57, Controller PCA }
>
> { 2, 113, 1, ECA Enclosure }
>
> { 3, 57, 114, Xfrm T1 }
>
> { 4, 57, 115, Xfrm T2 }
>
> { 5, 57, 116, Xfrm T3 }
>
> { 6, 57, 115, Xfrm T4 }
>
>
>
> The report needs to show this hierarchy.
>
> 26.100 - ECA
>
>   26.026 - ECA Enclosure
>
>     26.002 - Controller PCA
>
>       26.098 - Xfrm T1
>
>       26.022 - Xfrm T2
>
>       26.021 - Xfrm T3
>
>       26.022 - Xfrm T4
>
>
>
> The same transformer, 26.022 shows up twice in the PCA assembly.
>
>
>
> I'll build more tables for the different attributes of parts, such as,
> software with its checksum, and parts that have only lots, and parts
> that have revisions and lots. I'll use the ID key from the Part table as
> the primary key for the subtype tables based on the entity relationship
> chapter from the CJDate book.
>
>
>
> I need to make the forms to enter these variable hierarchies.
>
>
>
> Got any suggestions that might put a little more holiday in my Labor
> Day?
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Eric
>
>
>
>
>
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From apg at alun.de  Sun Sep  5 17:19:02 2004
From: apg at alun.de (alun)
Date: Mon, 06 Sep 2004 00:19:02 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Open a  form from a different db
In-Reply-To: <EAF3070ACB1AD81182280002A51EF7311921F5@s003.wolds.summitmedia.co.uk>
References: <EAF3070ACB1AD81182280002A51EF7311921F5@s003.wolds.summitmedia.co.uk>
Message-ID: <413B90D6.4020305@alun.de>

Paul Rodgers wrote:

>I need to open a form from another database. I just can't find it in my
>books. Anyone done this simple thing recently please? Cheers
>paul 
>
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not sure if this is what you're looking for
http://www.mvps.org/access/forms/frm0034.htm

hth
alun



From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Sun Sep  5 17:45:45 2004
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Sun, 05 Sep 2004 15:45:45 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Parts and assemblies design
References: <000e01c4937f$dc74ac60$de1811d8@danwaters>
	<00cc01c49383$b1c3e220$6601a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <413B9719.2010207@shaw.ca>

This may give you an idea what is involved, It is essentially an 
envelope around the document
with a seal that says it hasn't been modified after signing.

If you are looking for signatures either digital or digitized (mouse or 
stylus) that are FDA approved
try things like Pronto from Alphatrust
http://www.alphatrust.com/products/pronto/desktop.asp
Their other products require IE access to a certificate server at around 
$250 a month.
Getting your own hardware certificate server certified by FDA may start 
to cost you in $10,000 range.


Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software wrote:

>Dan:
>
>I have no shame.
>
>But I also have no electronic signature feature in the system.
>
> The system evolved when I first released it (1985) based on what the
>customers wanted.  So I suppose the first customer who needs electronic
>signatures will get it.  But I have no earthly idea how they work. Yet.
>
>Rocky
>
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Dan Waters" <dwaters at usinternet.com>
>To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
><accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 12:38 PM
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Parts and assemblies design
>
>
>  
>
>>Hi Rocky!
>>
>>Yes that was shameless.  But good!
>>
>>I was wondering if you address electronic signatures, and if so, what's
>>    
>>
>your
>  
>
>>approach?
>>
>>Thanks,
>>Dan Waters
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
>>Beach Access Software
>>Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 2:18 PM
>>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>Cc: Tom Hintz
>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Parts and assemblies design
>>
>>Eric:
>>
>>Shameless plug for my manufacturing system.  You can check it out at
>>www.ezmrp.com
>>
>>It will do the structured bills of material that they need.
>>
>>I just added a Capacity Requirements Planning module to the system which
>>does not yet show on the web site however.  In the CRP module you define
>>work centers and then add routings for each assembly - queue time, set up
>>time and unit run time for each operation.  Although it's not part of
>>    
>>
>their
>  
>
>>immediate requirement, as a bonus, the CRP Calculate program will
>>    
>>
>calculate
>  
>
>>how much of each work center's capacity is being used every day.
>>
>>Once they have that database built, since EZMRP is written in Access, and
>>since the back end is wide open, you could easily write a report in their
>>custom format, although E-Z-MRP does have a traveler report which shows
>>    
>>
>the
>  
>
>>start date for each operation based on a specific work order, that work
>>order's due date, and the assembly's lead time and, actually, the report
>>    
>>
>you
>  
>
>>model there looks mostly like an indented bill of materials, which, of
>>course, E-Z-MRP does.
>>
>>Starting with E-Z-MRP's framework might save you a LOT of development
>>    
>>
>time.
>  
>
>>(BTW, the audit trail that it produces on each inventory transaction, to
>>which you can attach a serial or lot number, also goes along way towards
>>satisfying FDA requirements.)
>>
>>If you're interested after checking the web site, please contact me
>>    
>>
>off-line
>  
>
>>at bchacc at san.rr.com and I'll give you a system to evaluate.  Or call if
>>    
>>
>you
>  
>
>>want to talk about it - 858-259-4334.
>>
>>HTH
>>
>>Rocky Smolin
>>Beach Access Software
>>http://www.e-z-mrp.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message ----- 
>>From: "Eric Goetz" <EricGoetz at egisystems.com>
>>To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
>>Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 11:32 AM
>>Subject: [AccessD] Parts and assemblies design
>>
>>
>>Hi,
>>
>>
>>
>>I am working on a database to replace some paper forms. I get the
>>feeling I'm starting more "from scratch" than I need to. So I thought
>>I'd ask if anyone knows of any examples of solutions for the following
>>problem.
>>
>>
>>
>>A medical device manufacturer needs to track all the actions performed
>>on each device as it moves through manufacturing to meet FDA
>>requirements. The forms are called "travelers." The first traveler gets
>>created when the device is built. A new traveler gets created every time
>>the device returns from the field (for upgrade or repair.)
>>
>>
>>
>>The forms show each part with its revision, part number, lot number, or
>>other attribute. There are different attributes for different types of
>>parts. Such as, software has a checksum, and a revision number while a
>>relay has does not. Instead, a relay has a lot number.
>>
>>
>>
>>Here are a couple of my challenges:
>>
>>
>>
>>I am modeling parts and assemblies, where an assembly is also a part. As
>>the devices come back from the field, they may get upgraded with
>>different parts and assemblies so the hierarchy is flexible. There seems
>>to be a many to many relationship between parts and assemblies. So, I
>>made a basic parts table:
>>
>>
>>
>>Part { ID, PartNumber, Name } where ID is the primary key
>>
>>Sample data:
>>
>>{ 1, 26.026, Enclosure }
>>
>>{ 57, 26.002, PCA }
>>
>>{ 113, 26.100, ECA }
>>
>>{ 114, 26.098, Xfrm }
>>
>>{ 115, 26.022, Xfrm }
>>
>>{ 116, 26.021, Xfrm }
>>
>>
>>
>>And I made another table to hold the many to many assignments between
>>parts and assemblies.
>>
>>AssyPartAssignment { ID, AssyID, PartID, Name } where ID is the primary
>>key and AssyID and PartID are foreign keys for the ID in the Part table.
>>
>>Sample data:
>>
>>{ 1, 113, 57, Controller PCA }
>>
>>{ 2, 113, 1, ECA Enclosure }
>>
>>{ 3, 57, 114, Xfrm T1 }
>>
>>{ 4, 57, 115, Xfrm T2 }
>>
>>{ 5, 57, 116, Xfrm T3 }
>>
>>{ 6, 57, 115, Xfrm T4 }
>>
>>
>>
>>The report needs to show this hierarchy.
>>
>>26.100 - ECA
>>
>>  26.026 - ECA Enclosure
>>
>>    26.002 - Controller PCA
>>
>>      26.098 - Xfrm T1
>>
>>      26.022 - Xfrm T2
>>
>>      26.021 - Xfrm T3
>>
>>      26.022 - Xfrm T4
>>
>>
>>
>>The same transformer, 26.022 shows up twice in the PCA assembly.
>>
>>
>>
>>I'll build more tables for the different attributes of parts, such as,
>>software with its checksum, and parts that have only lots, and parts
>>that have revisions and lots. I'll use the ID key from the Part table as
>>the primary key for the subtype tables based on the entity relationship
>>chapter from the CJDate book.
>>
>>
>>
>>I need to make the forms to enter these variable hierarchies.
>>
>>
>>
>>Got any suggestions that might put a little more holiday in my Labor
>>Day?
>>
>>
>>
>>Thanks,
>>
>>
>>
>>Eric
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>-- 
>>_______________________________________________
>>AccessD mailing list
>>AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>>-- 
>>_______________________________________________
>>AccessD mailing list
>>AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>>-- 
>>_______________________________________________
>>AccessD mailing list
>>AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>    
>>
>
>  
>

-- 
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada





From dwaters at usinternet.com  Sun Sep  5 19:14:24 2004
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 19:14:24 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Parts and assemblies design
In-Reply-To: <15599640.1094428169881.JavaMail.root@sniper7.usinternet.com>
Message-ID: <000601c493a6$77855ee0$de1811d8@danwaters>

Marty,

I've talked with the FDA and it turns out that they themselves do not
certify anything related to electronic signatures or records.  The FDA does
certify an individual company's usage of such software or hardware.  

This means that if a company like Alphatrust says that they have been
certified by the FDA, they really mean that they have a customer who has
been certified by the FDA.  

The FDA takes this position because what is good for one company may not be
good for another, and the FDA cannot apply a 'blanket' approval for any
particular mechanism.  They also don't want to be in the position of
limiting progress in the development of such mechanisms by certifying
something, which then becomes the 'only way to go'.

So - software developers like us need to work with our customer's Regulatory
Managers to find out what the company's requirements actually are.  They
will get more difficult as the medical device becomes more complicated or
more important to saving lives or maintaining health.  

Dan Waters


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 5:46 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Parts and assemblies design

This may give you an idea what is involved, It is essentially an 
envelope around the document
with a seal that says it hasn't been modified after signing.

If you are looking for signatures either digital or digitized (mouse or 
stylus) that are FDA approved
try things like Pronto from Alphatrust
http://www.alphatrust.com/products/pronto/desktop.asp
Their other products require IE access to a certificate server at around 
$250 a month.
Getting your own hardware certificate server certified by FDA may start 
to cost you in $10,000 range.


Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software wrote:

>Dan:
>
>I have no shame.
>
>But I also have no electronic signature feature in the system.
>
> The system evolved when I first released it (1985) based on what the
>customers wanted.  So I suppose the first customer who needs electronic
>signatures will get it.  But I have no earthly idea how they work. Yet.
>
>Rocky
>
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Dan Waters" <dwaters at usinternet.com>
>To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
><accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 12:38 PM
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Parts and assemblies design
>
>
>  
>
>>Hi Rocky!
>>
>>Yes that was shameless.  But good!
>>
>>I was wondering if you address electronic signatures, and if so, what's
>>    
>>
>your
>  
>
>>approach?
>>
>>Thanks,
>>Dan Waters
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
>>Beach Access Software
>>Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 2:18 PM
>>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>Cc: Tom Hintz
>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Parts and assemblies design
>>
>>Eric:
>>
>>Shameless plug for my manufacturing system.  You can check it out at
>>www.ezmrp.com
>>
>>It will do the structured bills of material that they need.
>>
>>I just added a Capacity Requirements Planning module to the system which
>>does not yet show on the web site however.  In the CRP module you define
>>work centers and then add routings for each assembly - queue time, set up
>>time and unit run time for each operation.  Although it's not part of
>>    
>>
>their
>  
>
>>immediate requirement, as a bonus, the CRP Calculate program will
>>    
>>
>calculate
>  
>
>>how much of each work center's capacity is being used every day.
>>
>>Once they have that database built, since EZMRP is written in Access, and
>>since the back end is wide open, you could easily write a report in their
>>custom format, although E-Z-MRP does have a traveler report which shows
>>    
>>
>the
>  
>
>>start date for each operation based on a specific work order, that work
>>order's due date, and the assembly's lead time and, actually, the report
>>    
>>
>you
>  
>
>>model there looks mostly like an indented bill of materials, which, of
>>course, E-Z-MRP does.
>>
>>Starting with E-Z-MRP's framework might save you a LOT of development
>>    
>>
>time.
>  
>
>>(BTW, the audit trail that it produces on each inventory transaction, to
>>which you can attach a serial or lot number, also goes along way towards
>>satisfying FDA requirements.)
>>
>>If you're interested after checking the web site, please contact me
>>    
>>
>off-line
>  
>
>>at bchacc at san.rr.com and I'll give you a system to evaluate.  Or call if
>>    
>>
>you
>  
>
>>want to talk about it - 858-259-4334.
>>
>>HTH
>>
>>Rocky Smolin
>>Beach Access Software
>>http://www.e-z-mrp.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message ----- 
>>From: "Eric Goetz" <EricGoetz at egisystems.com>
>>To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
>>Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 11:32 AM
>>Subject: [AccessD] Parts and assemblies design
>>
>>
>>Hi,
>>
>>
>>
>>I am working on a database to replace some paper forms. I get the
>>feeling I'm starting more "from scratch" than I need to. So I thought
>>I'd ask if anyone knows of any examples of solutions for the following
>>problem.
>>
>>
>>
>>A medical device manufacturer needs to track all the actions performed
>>on each device as it moves through manufacturing to meet FDA
>>requirements. The forms are called "travelers." The first traveler gets
>>created when the device is built. A new traveler gets created every time
>>the device returns from the field (for upgrade or repair.)
>>
>>
>>
>>The forms show each part with its revision, part number, lot number, or
>>other attribute. There are different attributes for different types of
>>parts. Such as, software has a checksum, and a revision number while a
>>relay has does not. Instead, a relay has a lot number.
>>
>>
>>
>>Here are a couple of my challenges:
>>
>>
>>
>>I am modeling parts and assemblies, where an assembly is also a part. As
>>the devices come back from the field, they may get upgraded with
>>different parts and assemblies so the hierarchy is flexible. There seems
>>to be a many to many relationship between parts and assemblies. So, I
>>made a basic parts table:
>>
>>
>>
>>Part { ID, PartNumber, Name } where ID is the primary key
>>
>>Sample data:
>>
>>{ 1, 26.026, Enclosure }
>>
>>{ 57, 26.002, PCA }
>>
>>{ 113, 26.100, ECA }
>>
>>{ 114, 26.098, Xfrm }
>>
>>{ 115, 26.022, Xfrm }
>>
>>{ 116, 26.021, Xfrm }
>>
>>
>>
>>And I made another table to hold the many to many assignments between
>>parts and assemblies.
>>
>>AssyPartAssignment { ID, AssyID, PartID, Name } where ID is the primary
>>key and AssyID and PartID are foreign keys for the ID in the Part table.
>>
>>Sample data:
>>
>>{ 1, 113, 57, Controller PCA }
>>
>>{ 2, 113, 1, ECA Enclosure }
>>
>>{ 3, 57, 114, Xfrm T1 }
>>
>>{ 4, 57, 115, Xfrm T2 }
>>
>>{ 5, 57, 116, Xfrm T3 }
>>
>>{ 6, 57, 115, Xfrm T4 }
>>
>>
>>
>>The report needs to show this hierarchy.
>>
>>26.100 - ECA
>>
>>  26.026 - ECA Enclosure
>>
>>    26.002 - Controller PCA
>>
>>      26.098 - Xfrm T1
>>
>>      26.022 - Xfrm T2
>>
>>      26.021 - Xfrm T3
>>
>>      26.022 - Xfrm T4
>>
>>
>>
>>The same transformer, 26.022 shows up twice in the PCA assembly.
>>
>>
>>
>>I'll build more tables for the different attributes of parts, such as,
>>software with its checksum, and parts that have only lots, and parts
>>that have revisions and lots. I'll use the ID key from the Part table as
>>the primary key for the subtype tables based on the entity relationship
>>chapter from the CJDate book.
>>
>>
>>
>>I need to make the forms to enter these variable hierarchies.
>>
>>
>>
>>Got any suggestions that might put a little more holiday in my Labor
>>Day?
>>
>>
>>
>>Thanks,
>>
>>
>>
>>Eric
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>-- 
>>_______________________________________________
>>AccessD mailing list
>>AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>>-- 
>>_______________________________________________
>>AccessD mailing list
>>AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>>-- 
>>_______________________________________________
>>AccessD mailing list
>>AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>    
>>
>
>  
>

-- 
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada



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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sun Sep  5 20:23:22 2004
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Mon, 06 Sep 2004 11:23:22 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Keyboard Shortcut for comments
In-Reply-To: <004d01c49365$704cd540$6601a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <413C48AA.6044.A0516E7@lexacorp.com.pg>

On 5 Sep 2004 at 9:28, Rocky Smolin - Beach Access S wrote:

> Dear List:
> 
> On the edit toolbar there are icons for commenting and uncommenting blocks of code.  Is there a keyboard shortcut for these?
> 

No.

You can check by going into the Cutomize dialog for toolbars, selecting 
options and then selecting "Show shortcut keys in screen tips". 

Then hoivering over any shortcut item will show the shortcut key if it 
exists (there are none shown for comment/uncomment)


-- 
Stuart




From d.dick at uws.edu.au  Sun Sep  5 22:35:54 2004
From: d.dick at uws.edu.au (Darren DICK)
Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 13:35:54 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] (no subject)
Message-ID: <000b01c493c2$9e41fe00$4a619a89@DDICK>

Hello all
I'm having a little trouble with the syntax of an append SQL string

I am setting a string value in code based on a booking ID 
I want to iterate through all the bookings - get the bookingID
and then Append it to a table.

Pretty basic, but I can never get the correct 'encasing' of the 
coded value right. EG where to use quotes, where to use ampersands etc.
The code snip below is all cool except for the bit in the SQL where it is 
putting the coded value into the relevant field in the table, IE after the
SELECT portion 
of the SQL

Can anyone tidy this up for me?

Many thanks in advance

	
Dim strMyValueAsAString as string

	strMyValueAsAString = Me.BookingID

            appSQL = "INSERT INTO tblMyBookings ( BookingIDFromBookingsTable
) " _
            & "SELECT " & strMyValueAsAString & " FROM tblMyBookings ;"
            
Have a great day

Darren




From clh at christopherhawkins.com  Sun Sep  5 23:05:52 2004
From: clh at christopherhawkins.com (Christopher Hawkins)
Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 22:05:52 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] (no subject)
Message-ID: <13130-220049164552428@christopherhawkins.com>

HI, Darren.

You have a few options.  YOu can try this:
appSQL = "INSERT INTO tblMyBookings ( BookingIDFromBookingsTable
) " _
& "SELECT '" & strMyValueAsAString & "' FROM tblMyBookings ;"

Or this:
appSQL = "INSERT INTO tblMyBookings ( BookingIDFromBookingsTable
) " _
& "SELECT " & Chr(34) & strMyValueAsAString & Chr(34) & " FROM
tblMyBookings ;"

Or, if you feel like writing a variable-wrapping function, even this:

appSQL = "INSERT INTO tblMyBookings ( BookingIDFromBookingsTable
) " _
& "SELECT " & WrapVar(strMyValueAsAString,"text") & " FROM
tblMyBookings ;"



---- Original Message ----
From: d.dick at uws.edu.au
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com, 
Subject: RE: [AccessD] (no subject)
Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 13:35:54 +1000

>Hello all
>I'm having a little trouble with the syntax of an append SQL string
>
>I am setting a string value in code based on a booking ID 
>I want to iterate through all the bookings - get the bookingID
>and then Append it to a table.
>
>Pretty basic, but I can never get the correct 'encasing' of the 
>coded value right. EG where to use quotes, where to use ampersands 
>etc.
>The code snip below is all cool except for the bit in the SQL where 
>it is 
>putting the coded value into the relevant field in the table, IE 
>after the
>SELECT portion 
>of the SQL
>
>Can anyone tidy this up for me?
>
>Many thanks in advance
>
>	
>Dim strMyValueAsAString as string
>
>	strMyValueAsAString = Me.BookingID
>
>            appSQL = "INSERT INTO tblMyBookings ( 
>BookingIDFromBookingsTable
>) " _
>            & "SELECT " & strMyValueAsAString & " FROM tblMyBookings 
>;"
>            
>Have a great day
>
>Darren
>
>
>-- 
>_______________________________________________
>AccessD mailing list
>AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
Respectfully,

Christopher Hawkins
Software Developer
(559) 687-7591
http://www.christopherhawkins.com




From d.dick at uws.edu.au  Sun Sep  5 23:27:45 2004
From: d.dick at uws.edu.au (Darren DICK)
Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 14:27:45 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <13130-220049164552428@christopherhawkins.com>
Message-ID: <000e01c493c9$db91c6d0$4a619a89@DDICK>

Chris

Many thanks I took your first option - works great

It was the little apostrophe inside the double quotes I was forgetting

Have a great day

Darren



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Christopher
Hawkins
Sent: Monday, 6 September 2004 2:06 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] (no subject)


HI, Darren.

You have a few options.  YOu can try this:
appSQL = "INSERT INTO tblMyBookings ( BookingIDFromBookingsTable
) " _
& "SELECT '" & strMyValueAsAString & "' FROM tblMyBookings ;"

Or this:
appSQL = "INSERT INTO tblMyBookings ( BookingIDFromBookingsTable
) " _
& "SELECT " & Chr(34) & strMyValueAsAString & Chr(34) & " FROM tblMyBookings
;"

Or, if you feel like writing a variable-wrapping function, even this:

appSQL = "INSERT INTO tblMyBookings ( BookingIDFromBookingsTable
) " _
& "SELECT " & WrapVar(strMyValueAsAString,"text") & " FROM tblMyBookings ;"



---- Original Message ----
From: d.dick at uws.edu.au
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com, 
Subject: RE: [AccessD] (no subject)
Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 13:35:54 +1000

>Hello all
>I'm having a little trouble with the syntax of an append SQL string
>
>I am setting a string value in code based on a booking ID
>I want to iterate through all the bookings - get the bookingID
>and then Append it to a table.
>
>Pretty basic, but I can never get the correct 'encasing' of the
>coded value right. EG where to use quotes, where to use ampersands 
>etc.
>The code snip below is all cool except for the bit in the SQL where 
>it is 
>putting the coded value into the relevant field in the table, IE 
>after the
>SELECT portion 
>of the SQL
>
>Can anyone tidy this up for me?
>
>Many thanks in advance
>
>	
>Dim strMyValueAsAString as string
>
>	strMyValueAsAString = Me.BookingID
>
>            appSQL = "INSERT INTO tblMyBookings (
>BookingIDFromBookingsTable
>) " _
>            & "SELECT " & strMyValueAsAString & " FROM tblMyBookings 
>;"
>            
>Have a great day
>
>Darren
>
>
>--
>_______________________________________________
>AccessD mailing list
>AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
Respectfully,

Christopher Hawkins
Software Developer
(559) 687-7591
http://www.christopherhawkins.com


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From actebs at actebs.com.au  Sun Sep  5 23:30:30 2004
From: actebs at actebs.com.au (ACTEBS)
Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 14:30:30 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] (no subject)
Message-ID: <2025BB6F17FCB54791F23CD505583328041BA4@starfleet.unknown.local>

Darren,

I wouldn't set it up like this. Try something like this:

    Dim dbs As dao.Database
    Dim rstDataToAppend As dao.Recordset
    Dim rstTableToAppendTo As dao.Recordset
    Dim strSQLDataForAppend As String
    
    strSQLDataForAppend = "SELECT .....Whatever...."

    
    Set dbs = CurrentDB()
    Set rstDataToAppend = dbs.OpenRecordset(strSQLDataForAppend,
dbOpenDynaset)
    Set rstTableToAppendTo = dbs.OpenRecordset("tblYourTableToAppendTo",
dbOpenDynaset)
    
    Do Until rstDataToAppend.EOF
            With rstTableToAppendTo
                .AddNew

                	!Feild1FromTable =
rstDataToAppend!Feild1FromRecordset
                	!Feild2FromTable =
rstDataToAppend!Feild2FromRecordset
			etc etc etc....

                .Update
            End With
        rstDataToAppend.MoveNext
    Loop
    
    rstDataToAppend.Close
    rstTableToAppendTo.Close
    Set rstDataToAppend = Nothing
    Set rstTableToAppendTo = Nothing
    dbs.close
    Set dbs = Nothing

A good idea is to also check whether the recordset has any data before
hand, otheriwse this will throw up an error. Something like:

If rstDataToAppend.Recordcount > 0 then
	Do Until rstDataToAppend.....etc etc etc

HTH
Regards
Vlad


Web: www.actebs.com.au
 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darren DICK
Sent: Monday, 6 September 2004 1:36 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] (no subject)


Hello all
I'm having a little trouble with the syntax of an append SQL string

I am setting a string value in code based on a booking ID 
I want to iterate through all the bookings - get the bookingID and then
Append it to a table.

Pretty basic, but I can never get the correct 'encasing' of the 
coded value right. EG where to use quotes, where to use ampersands etc.
The code snip below is all cool except for the bit in the SQL where it
is 
putting the coded value into the relevant field in the table, IE after
the SELECT portion 
of the SQL

Can anyone tidy this up for me?

Many thanks in advance

	
Dim strMyValueAsAString as string

	strMyValueAsAString = Me.BookingID

            appSQL = "INSERT INTO tblMyBookings (
BookingIDFromBookingsTable
) " _
            & "SELECT " & strMyValueAsAString & " FROM tblMyBookings ;"
            
Have a great day

Darren


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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Mon Sep  6 00:26:20 2004
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 22:26:20 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Parts and assemblies design
References: <000e01c4937f$dc74ac60$de1811d8@danwaters>
	<00cc01c49383$b1c3e220$6601a8c0@HAL9002> <413B9719.2010207@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <012901c493d2$0b17c960$6601a8c0@HAL9002>

Hope I don't need it soon.  But if I do - you're the man.

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "MartyConnelly" <martyconnelly at shaw.ca>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 3:45 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Parts and assemblies design


> This may give you an idea what is involved, It is essentially an
> envelope around the document
> with a seal that says it hasn't been modified after signing.
>
> If you are looking for signatures either digital or digitized (mouse or
> stylus) that are FDA approved
> try things like Pronto from Alphatrust
> http://www.alphatrust.com/products/pronto/desktop.asp
> Their other products require IE access to a certificate server at around
> $250 a month.
> Getting your own hardware certificate server certified by FDA may start
> to cost you in $10,000 range.
>
>
> Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software wrote:
>
> >Dan:
> >
> >I have no shame.
> >
> >But I also have no electronic signature feature in the system.
> >
> > The system evolved when I first released it (1985) based on what the
> >customers wanted.  So I suppose the first customer who needs electronic
> >signatures will get it.  But I have no earthly idea how they work. Yet.
> >
> >Rocky
> >
> >----- Original Message ----- 
> >From: "Dan Waters" <dwaters at usinternet.com>
> >To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> ><accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> >Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 12:38 PM
> >Subject: RE: [AccessD] Parts and assemblies design
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>Hi Rocky!
> >>
> >>Yes that was shameless.  But good!
> >>
> >>I was wondering if you address electronic signatures, and if so, what's
> >>
> >>
> >your
> >
> >
> >>approach?
> >>
> >>Thanks,
> >>Dan Waters
> >>
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> >>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky
Smolin -
> >>Beach Access Software
> >>Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 2:18 PM
> >>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> >>Cc: Tom Hintz
> >>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Parts and assemblies design
> >>
> >>Eric:
> >>
> >>Shameless plug for my manufacturing system.  You can check it out at
> >>www.ezmrp.com
> >>
> >>It will do the structured bills of material that they need.
> >>
> >>I just added a Capacity Requirements Planning module to the system which
> >>does not yet show on the web site however.  In the CRP module you define
> >>work centers and then add routings for each assembly - queue time, set
up
> >>time and unit run time for each operation.  Although it's not part of
> >>
> >>
> >their
> >
> >
> >>immediate requirement, as a bonus, the CRP Calculate program will
> >>
> >>
> >calculate
> >
> >
> >>how much of each work center's capacity is being used every day.
> >>
> >>Once they have that database built, since EZMRP is written in Access,
and
> >>since the back end is wide open, you could easily write a report in
their
> >>custom format, although E-Z-MRP does have a traveler report which shows
> >>
> >>
> >the
> >
> >
> >>start date for each operation based on a specific work order, that work
> >>order's due date, and the assembly's lead time and, actually, the report
> >>
> >>
> >you
> >
> >
> >>model there looks mostly like an indented bill of materials, which, of
> >>course, E-Z-MRP does.
> >>
> >>Starting with E-Z-MRP's framework might save you a LOT of development
> >>
> >>
> >time.
> >
> >
> >>(BTW, the audit trail that it produces on each inventory transaction, to
> >>which you can attach a serial or lot number, also goes along way towards
> >>satisfying FDA requirements.)
> >>
> >>If you're interested after checking the web site, please contact me
> >>
> >>
> >off-line
> >
> >
> >>at bchacc at san.rr.com and I'll give you a system to evaluate.  Or call if
> >>
> >>
> >you
> >
> >
> >>want to talk about it - 858-259-4334.
> >>
> >>HTH
> >>
> >>Rocky Smolin
> >>Beach Access Software
> >>http://www.e-z-mrp.com
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>----- Original Message ----- 
> >>From: "Eric Goetz" <EricGoetz at egisystems.com>
> >>To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> >>Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 11:32 AM
> >>Subject: [AccessD] Parts and assemblies design
> >>
> >>
> >>Hi,
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>I am working on a database to replace some paper forms. I get the
> >>feeling I'm starting more "from scratch" than I need to. So I thought
> >>I'd ask if anyone knows of any examples of solutions for the following
> >>problem.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>A medical device manufacturer needs to track all the actions performed
> >>on each device as it moves through manufacturing to meet FDA
> >>requirements. The forms are called "travelers." The first traveler gets
> >>created when the device is built. A new traveler gets created every time
> >>the device returns from the field (for upgrade or repair.)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>The forms show each part with its revision, part number, lot number, or
> >>other attribute. There are different attributes for different types of
> >>parts. Such as, software has a checksum, and a revision number while a
> >>relay has does not. Instead, a relay has a lot number.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>Here are a couple of my challenges:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>I am modeling parts and assemblies, where an assembly is also a part. As
> >>the devices come back from the field, they may get upgraded with
> >>different parts and assemblies so the hierarchy is flexible. There seems
> >>to be a many to many relationship between parts and assemblies. So, I
> >>made a basic parts table:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>Part { ID, PartNumber, Name } where ID is the primary key
> >>
> >>Sample data:
> >>
> >>{ 1, 26.026, Enclosure }
> >>
> >>{ 57, 26.002, PCA }
> >>
> >>{ 113, 26.100, ECA }
> >>
> >>{ 114, 26.098, Xfrm }
> >>
> >>{ 115, 26.022, Xfrm }
> >>
> >>{ 116, 26.021, Xfrm }
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>And I made another table to hold the many to many assignments between
> >>parts and assemblies.
> >>
> >>AssyPartAssignment { ID, AssyID, PartID, Name } where ID is the primary
> >>key and AssyID and PartID are foreign keys for the ID in the Part table.
> >>
> >>Sample data:
> >>
> >>{ 1, 113, 57, Controller PCA }
> >>
> >>{ 2, 113, 1, ECA Enclosure }
> >>
> >>{ 3, 57, 114, Xfrm T1 }
> >>
> >>{ 4, 57, 115, Xfrm T2 }
> >>
> >>{ 5, 57, 116, Xfrm T3 }
> >>
> >>{ 6, 57, 115, Xfrm T4 }
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>The report needs to show this hierarchy.
> >>
> >>26.100 - ECA
> >>
> >>  26.026 - ECA Enclosure
> >>
> >>    26.002 - Controller PCA
> >>
> >>      26.098 - Xfrm T1
> >>
> >>      26.022 - Xfrm T2
> >>
> >>      26.021 - Xfrm T3
> >>
> >>      26.022 - Xfrm T4
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>The same transformer, 26.022 shows up twice in the PCA assembly.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>I'll build more tables for the different attributes of parts, such as,
> >>software with its checksum, and parts that have only lots, and parts
> >>that have revisions and lots. I'll use the ID key from the Part table as
> >>the primary key for the subtype tables based on the entity relationship
> >>chapter from the CJDate book.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>I need to make the forms to enter these variable hierarchies.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>Got any suggestions that might put a little more holiday in my Labor
> >>Day?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>Thanks,
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>Eric
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>-- 
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> >>
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> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
>
> -- 
> Marty Connelly
> Victoria, B.C.
> Canada
>
>
>
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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Mon Sep  6 00:27:28 2004
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 22:27:28 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Keyboard Shortcut for comments
References: <413C48AA.6044.A0516E7@lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <013101c493d2$33406550$6601a8c0@HAL9002>

Rats.  Another cluttery toolbar.

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Stuart McLachlan" <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 6:23 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Keyboard Shortcut for comments


> On 5 Sep 2004 at 9:28, Rocky Smolin - Beach Access S wrote:
>
> > Dear List:
> >
> > On the edit toolbar there are icons for commenting and uncommenting
blocks of code.  Is there a keyboard shortcut for these?
> >
>
> No.
>
> You can check by going into the Cutomize dialog for toolbars, selecting
> options and then selecting "Show shortcut keys in screen tips".
>
> Then hoivering over any shortcut item will show the shortcut key if it
> exists (there are none shown for comment/uncomment)
>
>
> -- 
> Stuart
>
>
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>



From d.dick at uws.edu.au  Mon Sep  6 01:59:40 2004
From: d.dick at uws.edu.au (Darren DICK)
Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 16:59:40 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <2025BB6F17FCB54791F23CD505583328041BA4@starfleet.unknown.local>
Message-ID: <000001c493df$153f3330$4a619a89@DDICK>

Hi Vlad
Many thanks this is cool

Have a great day

Darren



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of ACTEBS
Sent: Monday, 6 September 2004 2:31 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] (no subject)


Darren,

I wouldn't set it up like this. Try something like this:

    Dim dbs As dao.Database
    Dim rstDataToAppend As dao.Recordset
    Dim rstTableToAppendTo As dao.Recordset
    Dim strSQLDataForAppend As String
    
    strSQLDataForAppend = "SELECT .....Whatever...."

    
    Set dbs = CurrentDB()
    Set rstDataToAppend = dbs.OpenRecordset(strSQLDataForAppend,
dbOpenDynaset)
    Set rstTableToAppendTo = dbs.OpenRecordset("tblYourTableToAppendTo",
dbOpenDynaset)
    
    Do Until rstDataToAppend.EOF
            With rstTableToAppendTo
                .AddNew

                	!Feild1FromTable =
rstDataToAppend!Feild1FromRecordset
                	!Feild2FromTable =
rstDataToAppend!Feild2FromRecordset
			etc etc etc....

                .Update
            End With
        rstDataToAppend.MoveNext
    Loop
    
    rstDataToAppend.Close
    rstTableToAppendTo.Close
    Set rstDataToAppend = Nothing
    Set rstTableToAppendTo = Nothing
    dbs.close
    Set dbs = Nothing

A good idea is to also check whether the recordset has any data before hand,
otheriwse this will throw up an error. Something like:

If rstDataToAppend.Recordcount > 0 then
	Do Until rstDataToAppend.....etc etc etc

HTH
Regards
Vlad


Web: www.actebs.com.au
 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darren DICK
Sent: Monday, 6 September 2004 1:36 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] (no subject)


Hello all
I'm having a little trouble with the syntax of an append SQL string

I am setting a string value in code based on a booking ID 
I want to iterate through all the bookings - get the bookingID and then
Append it to a table.

Pretty basic, but I can never get the correct 'encasing' of the 
coded value right. EG where to use quotes, where to use ampersands etc. The
code snip below is all cool except for the bit in the SQL where it is 
putting the coded value into the relevant field in the table, IE after the
SELECT portion 
of the SQL

Can anyone tidy this up for me?

Many thanks in advance

	
Dim strMyValueAsAString as string

	strMyValueAsAString = Me.BookingID

            appSQL = "INSERT INTO tblMyBookings ( BookingIDFromBookingsTable
) " _
            & "SELECT " & strMyValueAsAString & " FROM tblMyBookings ;"
            
Have a great day

Darren


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From Paul.Rogers at SummitMedia.co.uk  Mon Sep  6 05:39:05 2004
From: Paul.Rogers at SummitMedia.co.uk (Paul Rodgers)
Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 11:39:05 +0100 
Subject: [AccessD] Open a  form from a different db
Message-ID: <EAF3070ACB1AD81182280002A51EF7311921F9@s003.wolds.summitmedia.co.uk>

Many thanks, Alun, very helpful. All the best
paul 


-----Original Message-----
From: alun [mailto:apg at alun.de]
Sent: 05 September 2004 23:19
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Open a form from a different db


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From adtp at touchtelindia.net  Mon Sep  6 08:52:17 2004
From: adtp at touchtelindia.net (A.D.Tejpal)
Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 19:22:17 +0530
Subject: [AccessD] Determine current page number of report in preview
References: <225449706.20040902101059@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <002301c49418$f3b248d0$d01865cb@winxp>

Gustav,

    It is observed that events generated by a report opened in preview mode, get exhausted in the first forward pass through its pages. 

    As a result, in case of any subsequent navigation through the pages already covered, there is no more firing of any event at all. Values pertaining to Page and CurrentRecord properties of the report remain stuck at the highest value touched (even if the page now being viewed is a lower one in the sequence).

    In view of the above, any attempt to obtain the current page number (in subsequent passes) from code within the report's module, gets vitiated on account of non-availability of any event that could activate such code.

    If your situation permits use of code attached to a form, a solution could be worked out, adopting either of the following approaches -
    (a) Combination of SendKeys method along with API calls. It is based upon the feature that pressing F5 key in the report preview window selects the contents of page counter window at bottom left.
    (b) Avoiding use of SendKeys by using additional API calls.

    (In case of (a), the code involved is relatively simple, while (b) might need very bulky & tedious code)

    I can send you a sample db demonstrating a solution of type (a) above. Your eMail address to be used for this purpose, may please be advised.

    If you are keen to evolve a solution of type (b) above, you could get some working ideas from the function  fTurnPage()  at Stephan Leban's site.

Regards,
A.D.Tejpal
--------------

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Gustav Brock 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
  Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 13:40
  Subject: [AccessD] Determine current page number of report in preview


  Hi all (Drew?)

  How do you catch the current page in preview?

  Access caches pages while you are browsing forward.
  Fine, but if the user moves (browses) backwards, the Page property stays on the highest number even though the preview displays the correct lower page number.

  I guess the only chance would be to catch the current page number from the status line of the preview window but I don't know if that is possible.

  /gustav



From dwaters at usinternet.com  Mon Sep  6 09:40:23 2004
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 09:40:23 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] FW: Parts and assemblies design
Message-ID: <000901c4941f$712fc6b0$de1811d8@danwaters>


Marty,

I've talked with the FDA and it turns out that they themselves do not
certify anything related to electronic signatures or records.  The FDA does
certify an individual company's usage of such software or hardware.  

This means that if a company like Alphatrust says that they have been
certified by the FDA, they really mean that they have a customer who has
been certified by the FDA.  

The FDA takes this position because what is good for one company may not be
good for another, and the FDA cannot apply a 'blanket' approval for any
particular mechanism.  They also don't want to be in the position of
limiting progress in the development of such mechanisms by certifying
something, which then becomes the 'only way to go'.

So - software developers like us need to work with our customer's Regulatory
Managers to find out what the company's requirements actually are.  They
will get more difficult as the medical device becomes more complicated or
more important to saving lives or maintaining health.  

Dan Waters


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 5:46 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Parts and assemblies design

This may give you an idea what is involved, It is essentially an 
envelope around the document
with a seal that says it hasn't been modified after signing.

If you are looking for signatures either digital or digitized (mouse or 
stylus) that are FDA approved
try things like Pronto from Alphatrust
http://www.alphatrust.com/products/pronto/desktop.asp
Their other products require IE access to a certificate server at around 
$250 a month.
Getting your own hardware certificate server certified by FDA may start 
to cost you in $10,000 range.


Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software wrote:

>Dan:
>
>I have no shame.
>
>But I also have no electronic signature feature in the system.
>
> The system evolved when I first released it (1985) based on what the
>customers wanted.  So I suppose the first customer who needs electronic
>signatures will get it.  But I have no earthly idea how they work. Yet.
>
>Rocky
>
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Dan Waters" <dwaters at usinternet.com>
>To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
><accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 12:38 PM
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Parts and assemblies design
>
>
>  
>
>>Hi Rocky!
>>
>>Yes that was shameless.  But good!
>>
>>I was wondering if you address electronic signatures, and if so, what's
>>    
>>
>your
>  
>
>>approach?
>>
>>Thanks,
>>Dan Waters
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
>>Beach Access Software
>>Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 2:18 PM
>>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>Cc: Tom Hintz
>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Parts and assemblies design
>>
>>Eric:
>>
>>Shameless plug for my manufacturing system.  You can check it out at
>>www.ezmrp.com
>>
>>It will do the structured bills of material that they need.
>>
>>I just added a Capacity Requirements Planning module to the system which
>>does not yet show on the web site however.  In the CRP module you define
>>work centers and then add routings for each assembly - queue time, set up
>>time and unit run time for each operation.  Although it's not part of
>>    
>>
>their
>  
>
>>immediate requirement, as a bonus, the CRP Calculate program will
>>    
>>
>calculate
>  
>
>>how much of each work center's capacity is being used every day.
>>
>>Once they have that database built, since EZMRP is written in Access, and
>>since the back end is wide open, you could easily write a report in their
>>custom format, although E-Z-MRP does have a traveler report which shows
>>    
>>
>the
>  
>
>>start date for each operation based on a specific work order, that work
>>order's due date, and the assembly's lead time and, actually, the report
>>    
>>
>you
>  
>
>>model there looks mostly like an indented bill of materials, which, of
>>course, E-Z-MRP does.
>>
>>Starting with E-Z-MRP's framework might save you a LOT of development
>>    
>>
>time.
>  
>
>>(BTW, the audit trail that it produces on each inventory transaction, to
>>which you can attach a serial or lot number, also goes along way towards
>>satisfying FDA requirements.)
>>
>>If you're interested after checking the web site, please contact me
>>    
>>
>off-line
>  
>
>>at bchacc at san.rr.com and I'll give you a system to evaluate.  Or call if
>>    
>>
>you
>  
>
>>want to talk about it - 858-259-4334.
>>
>>HTH
>>
>>Rocky Smolin
>>Beach Access Software
>>http://www.e-z-mrp.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message ----- 
>>From: "Eric Goetz" <EricGoetz at egisystems.com>
>>To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
>>Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 11:32 AM
>>Subject: [AccessD] Parts and assemblies design
>>
>>
>>Hi,
>>
>>
>>
>>I am working on a database to replace some paper forms. I get the
>>feeling I'm starting more "from scratch" than I need to. So I thought
>>I'd ask if anyone knows of any examples of solutions for the following
>>problem.
>>
>>
>>
>>A medical device manufacturer needs to track all the actions performed
>>on each device as it moves through manufacturing to meet FDA
>>requirements. The forms are called "travelers." The first traveler gets
>>created when the device is built. A new traveler gets created every time
>>the device returns from the field (for upgrade or repair.)
>>
>>
>>
>>The forms show each part with its revision, part number, lot number, or
>>other attribute. There are different attributes for different types of
>>parts. Such as, software has a checksum, and a revision number while a
>>relay has does not. Instead, a relay has a lot number.
>>
>>
>>
>>Here are a couple of my challenges:
>>
>>
>>
>>I am modeling parts and assemblies, where an assembly is also a part. As
>>the devices come back from the field, they may get upgraded with
>>different parts and assemblies so the hierarchy is flexible. There seems
>>to be a many to many relationship between parts and assemblies. So, I
>>made a basic parts table:
>>
>>
>>
>>Part { ID, PartNumber, Name } where ID is the primary key
>>
>>Sample data:
>>
>>{ 1, 26.026, Enclosure }
>>
>>{ 57, 26.002, PCA }
>>
>>{ 113, 26.100, ECA }
>>
>>{ 114, 26.098, Xfrm }
>>
>>{ 115, 26.022, Xfrm }
>>
>>{ 116, 26.021, Xfrm }
>>
>>
>>
>>And I made another table to hold the many to many assignments between
>>parts and assemblies.
>>
>>AssyPartAssignment { ID, AssyID, PartID, Name } where ID is the primary
>>key and AssyID and PartID are foreign keys for the ID in the Part table.
>>
>>Sample data:
>>
>>{ 1, 113, 57, Controller PCA }
>>
>>{ 2, 113, 1, ECA Enclosure }
>>
>>{ 3, 57, 114, Xfrm T1 }
>>
>>{ 4, 57, 115, Xfrm T2 }
>>
>>{ 5, 57, 116, Xfrm T3 }
>>
>>{ 6, 57, 115, Xfrm T4 }
>>
>>
>>
>>The report needs to show this hierarchy.
>>
>>26.100 - ECA
>>
>>  26.026 - ECA Enclosure
>>
>>    26.002 - Controller PCA
>>
>>      26.098 - Xfrm T1
>>
>>      26.022 - Xfrm T2
>>
>>      26.021 - Xfrm T3
>>
>>      26.022 - Xfrm T4
>>
>>
>>
>>The same transformer, 26.022 shows up twice in the PCA assembly.
>>
>>
>>
>>I'll build more tables for the different attributes of parts, such as,
>>software with its checksum, and parts that have only lots, and parts
>>that have revisions and lots. I'll use the ID key from the Part table as
>>the primary key for the subtype tables based on the entity relationship
>>chapter from the CJDate book.
>>
>>
>>
>>I need to make the forms to enter these variable hierarchies.
>>
>>
>>
>>Got any suggestions that might put a little more holiday in my Labor
>>Day?
>>
>>
>>
>>Thanks,
>>
>>
>>
>>Eric
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>
>  
>

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From lister at actuarial-files.com  Mon Sep  6 09:45:50 2004
From: lister at actuarial-files.com (Ralf Lister)
Date: Mon, 06 Sep 2004 14:45:50 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Public Array
Message-ID: <000a01c47bc4$0512c860$7abc3ac8@ralf>

Hello,

In the Declaration section of a form module frmName I declared an array with "Public Container(9) As String". I understood that I have now an Array of 9 String fields. But it doesn't seem to be this way.
When I make something like "Container3 = Forms!frmName.Container(3)" in a different form Access gives me an Error Message (# 2465)

Can somebody help?

TIA

Saludos de Bolivia
Ralf


From gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Sep  6 10:19:56 2004
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 17:19:56 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Public Array
In-Reply-To: <000a01c47bc4$0512c860$7abc3ac8@ralf>
References: <000a01c47bc4$0512c860$7abc3ac8@ralf>
Message-ID: <5330057890.20040906171956@cactus.dk>

Hi Ralf

It would be

Container3 = Container(3)

But Container is a reserved word. Pick another.

/gustav


> In the Declaration section of a form module frmName I declared an array with "Public Container(9) As String". I understood that I have now an Array of 9 String fields. But it doesn't seem to be
> this way.
> When I make something like "Container3 = Forms!frmName.Container(3)" in a different form Access gives me an Error Message (# 2465)



From Subscriptions at servicexp.com  Mon Sep  6 16:51:59 2004
From: Subscriptions at servicexp.com (Robert Gracie)
Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 17:51:59 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Remove Beginning & Ending Quotes of a string
In-Reply-To: <5330057890.20040906171956@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <GPEGJHKJCEPGJIEIOEOOGEEOEBAA.Subscriptions@servicexp.com>


Example "This is a "Fine" Day we are having to day"

I need to remove only the first and last quotes.

   This is a "Fine" Day we are having to day

Robert Gracie
www.servicexp.com



From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Mon Sep  6 17:17:59 2004
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2004 08:17:59 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Remove Beginning & Ending Quotes of a string
In-Reply-To: <GPEGJHKJCEPGJIEIOEOOGEEOEBAA.Subscriptions@servicexp.com>
References: <5330057890.20040906171956@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <413D6EB7.24092.E81BB93@lexacorp.com.pg>

On 6 Sep 2004 at 17:51, Robert Gracie wrote:

> 
> Example "This is a "Fine" Day we are having to day"
> 
> I need to remove only the first and last quotes.
> 
>    This is a "Fine" Day we are having to day
> 

Mid$(myString,2,Len(myString)-2) will drop the first and last character, 
whatever they are.


-- 
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From Subscriptions at servicexp.com  Mon Sep  6 17:27:37 2004
From: Subscriptions at servicexp.com (Robert Gracie)
Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 18:27:37 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Remove Beginning & Ending Quotes of a string
In-Reply-To: <413D6EB7.24092.E81BB93@lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <GPEGJHKJCEPGJIEIOEOOOEEOEBAA.Subscriptions@servicexp.com>

Thanks Stuart, much cleaner then mine... :-)

Private Function ClearQuoutes(ByVal SData As String) As String
Dim strTemp As String
Dim lngLen  As Integer
lngLen = Len(SData)
    If Left(SData, 1) = """" Then
       strTemp = Left(SData, (lngLen - 1))
       strTemp = Right(strTemp, lngLen - 2)
       ClearQuoutes = strTemp
    Else
    ClearQuoutes = SData
    End If
End Function


Robert Gracie
www.servicexp.com
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Stuart
McLachlan
Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 6:18 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Remove Beginning & Ending Quotes of a string


On 6 Sep 2004 at 17:51, Robert Gracie wrote:

> 
> Example "This is a "Fine" Day we are having to day"
> 
> I need to remove only the first and last quotes.
> 
>    This is a "Fine" Day we are having to day
> 

Mid$(myString,2,Len(myString)-2) will drop the first and last character, 
whatever they are.


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From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Sep  6 17:16:03 2004
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence (AccessD))
Date: Mon, 06 Sep 2004 15:16:03 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Remove Beginning & Ending Quotes of a string
In-Reply-To: <GPEGJHKJCEPGJIEIOEOOGEEOEBAA.Subscriptions@servicexp.com>
Message-ID: <FJEJLIPOMCGJALMGLLLIEEGHCGAA.accessd@shaw.ca>

Hi Robert:

Something like:

strSentence = ""This is a "Fine" Day we are having to day""
if left(strSentence,1) = chr(34) then strSentence = mid(2,strSentence)
if right(strSentence,1) = chr(34) then strSentence = left(strSentence,
len(strSentence)-1)

...and that should take care of whether there is a """ or not at the
beginning or end as well.

HTH
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Robert Gracie
Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 2:52 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Remove Beginning & Ending Quotes of a string



Example "This is a "Fine" Day we are having to day"

I need to remove only the first and last quotes.

   This is a "Fine" Day we are having to day

Robert Gracie
www.servicexp.com

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From clh at christopherhawkins.com  Mon Sep  6 19:16:52 2004
From: clh at christopherhawkins.com (Christopher Hawkins)
Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 18:16:52 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Looping through TableDef.Fields
Message-ID: <73950-2200492701652977@christopherhawkins.com>

I've done this a thousand time.  But right now, I'm full of codeine
(broke a toe 30 minutes ago) and cannot think worth squat.
 
Why will this code not work?  THe error-causing line is indicated by
a --->

[code]
Public Sub GetTableInfo(sTableName As String)

Dim db As DAO.Database
Dim td As DAO.TableDef
Dim sSQL As String
Dim fld As DAO.Field

On Error GoTo Err_GetTableInfo

    Set db = CurrentDb()
    
    Set td = CurrentDb.TableDefs(sTableName)
    --->For Each fld In td
        CurrentProject.Connection.Execute "INSERT INTO zTable
(TableName, FieldName, Alias, SortOrder) VALUES ('" & sTableName &
"', '" & fld.Name & "', '" & fld.Name & "', 0)"
    Next fld
    
Exit_GetTableInfo:
    Exit Sub

Err_GetTableInfo:
    MsgBox Err.Description
    Resume Exit_GetTableInfo
End Sub
[/code]

The marked line causes an "Operation is not supported for this type
of object" error.

Why?

Respectfully,

Christopher Hawkins
Software Developer
(559) 687-7591
http://www.christopherhawkins.com




From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Sep  6 20:28:13 2004
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Mon, 06 Sep 2004 21:28:13 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Looping through TableDef.Fields
In-Reply-To: <73950-2200492701652977@christopherhawkins.com>
Message-ID: <000001c49479$f15771d0$80b3fea9@ColbyM6805>

For Each fld In td.Fields

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Christopher
Hawkins
Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 8:17 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Looping through TableDef.Fields


I've done this a thousand time.  But right now, I'm full of codeine (broke a
toe 30 minutes ago) and cannot think worth squat.
 
Why will this code not work?  THe error-causing line is indicated by a --->

[code]
Public Sub GetTableInfo(sTableName As String)

Dim db As DAO.Database
Dim td As DAO.TableDef
Dim sSQL As String
Dim fld As DAO.Field

On Error GoTo Err_GetTableInfo

    Set db = CurrentDb()
    
    Set td = CurrentDb.TableDefs(sTableName)
    --->For Each fld In td
        CurrentProject.Connection.Execute "INSERT INTO zTable (TableName,
FieldName, Alias, SortOrder) VALUES ('" & sTableName & "', '" & fld.Name &
"', '" & fld.Name & "', 0)"
    Next fld
    
Exit_GetTableInfo:
    Exit Sub

Err_GetTableInfo:
    MsgBox Err.Description
    Resume Exit_GetTableInfo
End Sub
[/code]

The marked line causes an "Operation is not supported for this type of
object" error.

Why?

Respectfully,

Christopher Hawkins
Software Developer
(559) 687-7591
http://www.christopherhawkins.com


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From Paul at PStrauss.net  Mon Sep  6 21:00:44 2004
From: Paul at PStrauss.net (Paul Strauss)
Date: Mon, 06 Sep 2004 22:00:44 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <2025BB6F17FCB54791F23CD505583328041BA4@starfleet.unknown.l ocal>
References: <2025BB6F17FCB54791F23CD505583328041BA4@starfleet.unknown.local>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20040906214116.021d7a30@mail.pstrauss.net>

At 9/6/2004 12:30 AM, you wrote:
>Darren,
>
>I wouldn't set it up like this. Try something like this:
>
>     Dim dbs As dao.Database
>     Dim rstDataToAppend As dao.Recordset
>     Dim rstTableToAppendTo As dao.Recordset
>     Dim strSQLDataForAppend As String
>
>     strSQLDataForAppend = "SELECT .....Whatever...."
>
>
>     Set dbs = CurrentDB()
>     Set rstDataToAppend = dbs.OpenRecordset(strSQLDataForAppend,
>dbOpenDynaset)
>     Set rstTableToAppendTo = dbs.OpenRecordset("tblYourTableToAppendTo",
>dbOpenDynaset)
>    ...snip...

Any time you can do table manipulations with SQL, rather that DAO, you 
should choose SQL. DAO is much slower than doing it with SQL. Sure, there 
are times when only DAO will do, so I am not saying never, but I would 
always strive to use SQL.

If the task at hand is to eat a handful of M&M's, there are two ways to do 
it 1) one-by-one and 2) shove them all in your mouth and chew. Access can 
chew up the mouthful and swallow it much faster than it can eat them one at 
a time. That's just the way it has been built and optimized.

>A good idea is to also check whether the recordset has any data before
>hand, otheriwse this will throw up an error.
>...snip...

I agree it a good idea. I've never seemed to need to append from one table 
to another using a Select inside the Insert, so I am not sure what would 
happen if the Select didn't return any rows. If it returns a trappable 
error, then I'd just attempt the Insert and handle this case in the error 
handler. That would be the fastest way to do it. If a trappable error isn't 
returned, then opening a recordset with  "Select Count(*) ..." and checking 
that at least one row is returned before doing the Insert would still be 
faster than doing it the DAO way in a loop. It may also be the case that 
nothing harmful happens (it is a null operation) and so you don't have to 
worry. But since you want to do it, and I don't, I'll let you figure out as 
a "homework" assignment what happens :). Unless I were sure that I always 
had something to append, I'd lose a good bit a sleep wondering if this 
would cause my program to blow up. Since I need my sleep, I'd test it.


Regards,
Paul Strauss


----------


From d.dick at uws.edu.au  Mon Sep  6 21:16:16 2004
From: d.dick at uws.edu.au (Darren DICK)
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 12:16:16 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20040906214116.021d7a30@mail.pstrauss.net>
Message-ID: <000901c49480$a810e220$4a619a89@DDICK>

Thanks Paul

I really appreciate the advice

Have a great day

Darren



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Paul Strauss
Sent: Tuesday, 7 September 2004 12:01 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] (no subject)


At 9/6/2004 12:30 AM, you wrote:
>Darren,
>
>I wouldn't set it up like this. Try something like this:
>
>     Dim dbs As dao.Database
>     Dim rstDataToAppend As dao.Recordset
>     Dim rstTableToAppendTo As dao.Recordset
>     Dim strSQLDataForAppend As String
>
>     strSQLDataForAppend = "SELECT .....Whatever...."
>
>
>     Set dbs = CurrentDB()
>     Set rstDataToAppend = dbs.OpenRecordset(strSQLDataForAppend,
>dbOpenDynaset)
>     Set rstTableToAppendTo = 
>dbs.OpenRecordset("tblYourTableToAppendTo",
>dbOpenDynaset)
>    ...snip...

Any time you can do table manipulations with SQL, rather that DAO, you 
should choose SQL. DAO is much slower than doing it with SQL. Sure, there 
are times when only DAO will do, so I am not saying never, but I would 
always strive to use SQL.

If the task at hand is to eat a handful of M&M's, there are two ways to do 
it 1) one-by-one and 2) shove them all in your mouth and chew. Access can 
chew up the mouthful and swallow it much faster than it can eat them one at 
a time. That's just the way it has been built and optimized.

>A good idea is to also check whether the recordset has any data before 
>hand, otheriwse this will throw up an error. ...snip...

I agree it a good idea. I've never seemed to need to append from one table 
to another using a Select inside the Insert, so I am not sure what would 
happen if the Select didn't return any rows. If it returns a trappable 
error, then I'd just attempt the Insert and handle this case in the error 
handler. That would be the fastest way to do it. If a trappable error isn't 
returned, then opening a recordset with  "Select Count(*) ..." and checking 
that at least one row is returned before doing the Insert would still be 
faster than doing it the DAO way in a loop. It may also be the case that 
nothing harmful happens (it is a null operation) and so you don't have to 
worry. But since you want to do it, and I don't, I'll let you figure out as 
a "homework" assignment what happens :). Unless I were sure that I always 
had something to append, I'd lose a good bit a sleep wondering if this 
would cause my program to blow up. Since I need my sleep, I'd test it.


Regards,
Paul Strauss


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From Developer at UltraDNT.com  Mon Sep  6 22:07:37 2004
From: Developer at UltraDNT.com (Steve Conklin (Developer@UltraDNT))
Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 23:07:37 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Keyboard Shortcut for comments
In-Reply-To: <013101c493d2$33406550$6601a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <003201c49487$d4a81ea0$0200a8c0@COA3>

But you can customize this, and create a keydb shortcut for it.  While
in "customize" mode for toolbars, make it show Image and Text, or Text
Only, then edit the text, and put an ampersand in front of the character
you want to be the accelerator key.

Steve


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
- Beach Access Software
Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 1:27 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Keyboard Shortcut for comments


Rats.  Another cluttery toolbar.

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Stuart McLachlan" <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 6:23 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Keyboard Shortcut for comments


> On 5 Sep 2004 at 9:28, Rocky Smolin - Beach Access S wrote:
>
> > Dear List:
> >
> > On the edit toolbar there are icons for commenting and uncommenting
blocks of code.  Is there a keyboard shortcut for these?
> >
>
> No.
>
> You can check by going into the Cutomize dialog for toolbars, 
> selecting options and then selecting "Show shortcut keys in screen 
> tips".
>
> Then hoivering over any shortcut item will show the shortcut key if it

> exists (there are none shown for comment/uncomment)
>
>
> --
> Stuart
>
>
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Tue Sep  7 00:31:09 2004
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (DWUTKA at marlow.com)
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 00:31:09 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] Can you Raid
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8031BB33B@main2.marlow.com>

Yes, but Read 0 (mirror) needs a Server OS (not sure if XP can do it, but
Win2k Pro cannot create a mirror, only Win2k Server).

Drew

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2004 12:17 PM
To: AccessD; Tech - Database Advisors Inc.
Subject: [AccessD] Can you Raid


Does anyone know if you can use Windows built-in raid capability to set up a
raid 1 (mirror) then break the raid and move the mirror to another identical
machine as the boot drive?  I have a pair of MSI k8n Neo motherboards that I
purchased.  I have a pair of 80 gb samsung drives in one machine that I have
just finished setting up.  I need to create an image of that setup and move
that image to the other machine.

John W. Colby
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From d.dick at uws.edu.au  Tue Sep  7 01:26:09 2004
From: d.dick at uws.edu.au (Darren DICK)
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 16:26:09 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Another Recordset Syntax Q
Message-ID: <001701c494a3$90d0f550$4a619a89@DDICK>

Hello all
Another recordset syntax question
One day I'll get it < sigh >

The code below does what it is supposed to do except move to the next site
name in the recordset
WHAT I WANT...
I expect the Message box to spit up SiteName1 then I expect another message
box: SiteName 2 then another 
Until all the SiteNames in the Recordset are iterated and displayed in
sequential message boxes

Problem is I get 5 message boxes (There's 5 site sin the recordset) but
always the 1st Sitename 
never site 2 or 3 or 4 or 5

Something backwards in the syntax or not properly placed is suppose

Need help - Any takers?

Many thanks in advance

Darren

  For x = 1 To rs.RecordCount
  	With rs
	      .MoveLast
      	 MsgBox !SiteName
            .MoveNext
      End With
  Next

Have a great day

Darren




From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Tue Sep  7 01:39:16 2004
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2004 16:39:16 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Another Recordset Syntax Q
In-Reply-To: <001701c494a3$90d0f550$4a619a89@DDICK>
Message-ID: <413DE434.21516.104CA311@lexacorp.com.pg>

On 7 Sep 2004 at 16:26, Darren DICK wrote:

>   For x = 1 To rs.RecordCount
>   	With rs
> 	      .MoveLast
>       	 MsgBox !SiteName
>             .MoveNext
>       End With
>   Next
> 

You keep moving to the last record before you display the Sitename

Try

rs.Movefirst
While not rs.eof
     Msgbox rs!Sitename
    rs.Movenext
Wend
-- 
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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Tue Sep  7 01:46:15 2004
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 07:46:15 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Another Recordset Syntax Q
In-Reply-To: <001701c494a3$90d0f550$4a619a89@DDICK>
Message-ID: <000601c494a6$5f5ae190$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25>

Hi Darren

The .MoveLast is the problem. It takes you to the last record. After that
there is no Next to move to. To go through all records this is better.

Set rst=.....
Do While Not rst.EOF
	la de da
	rst.MoveNext
Loop

When you open a recordset the record pointer is placed on the first record
so you don't need a MoveFirst.

Another thing. A recordset's .RecordCount is only available after going to
the end of the recordset (ie after a .MoveLast), so you can't do your For
cos .Recordcount would be 0 if you just opened the recordset.

And finally .MoveLast crashes if there are 0 records in the recordset, so if
you did want a recordcount you'd have to do something like this:

Set rst=...
If not rst.eof
	rst.MoveLast
	msgbox rst.recordcount
	rst.MoveFirst
	Do While Not rst.EOF
		la de da
		rst.MoveNext
	Loop
End If


Have fun.

-- Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 



> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darren DICK
> Sent: 07 September 2004 07:26
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Another Recordset Syntax Q
> 
> 
> Hello all
> Another recordset syntax question
> One day I'll get it < sigh >
> 
> The code below does what it is supposed to do except move to 
> the next site name in the recordset WHAT I WANT... I expect 
> the Message box to spit up SiteName1 then I expect another message
> box: SiteName 2 then another 
> Until all the SiteNames in the Recordset are iterated and 
> displayed in sequential message boxes
> 
> Problem is I get 5 message boxes (There's 5 site sin the 
> recordset) but always the 1st Sitename 
> never site 2 or 3 or 4 or 5
> 
> Something backwards in the syntax or not properly placed is suppose
> 
> Need help - Any takers?
> 
> Many thanks in advance
> 
> Darren
> 
>   For x = 1 To rs.RecordCount
>   	With rs
> 	      .MoveLast
>       	 MsgBox !SiteName
>             .MoveNext
>       End With
>   Next
> 
> Have a great day
> 
> Darren
> 
> 
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From d.dick at uws.edu.au  Tue Sep  7 02:02:22 2004
From: d.dick at uws.edu.au (Darren DICK)
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 17:02:22 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Another Recordset Syntax Q
In-Reply-To: <000601c494a6$5f5ae190$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25>
Message-ID: <000101c494a8$9f92ef80$4a619a89@DDICK>

Andy you da man!!!!!!!!!!!!
Outstanding
Just what I needed
I've put it in the dB already and it works beautifully
Many many thanks

SYWYE

Have a fantastic day

Darren



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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
Sent: Tuesday, 7 September 2004 4:46 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K: Another Recordset Syntax Q


Hi Darren

The .MoveLast is the problem. It takes you to the last record. After that
there is no Next to move to. To go through all records this is better.

Set rst=.....
Do While Not rst.EOF
	la de da
	rst.MoveNext
Loop

When you open a recordset the record pointer is placed on the first record
so you don't need a MoveFirst.

Another thing. A recordset's .RecordCount is only available after going to
the end of the recordset (ie after a .MoveLast), so you can't do your For
cos .Recordcount would be 0 if you just opened the recordset.

And finally .MoveLast crashes if there are 0 records in the recordset, so if
you did want a recordcount you'd have to do something like this:

Set rst=...
If not rst.eof
	rst.MoveLast
	msgbox rst.recordcount
	rst.MoveFirst
	Do While Not rst.EOF
		la de da
		rst.MoveNext
	Loop
End If


Have fun.

-- Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 



> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darren DICK
> Sent: 07 September 2004 07:26
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Another Recordset Syntax Q
> 
> 
> Hello all
> Another recordset syntax question
> One day I'll get it < sigh >
> 
> The code below does what it is supposed to do except move to
> the next site name in the recordset WHAT I WANT... I expect 
> the Message box to spit up SiteName1 then I expect another message
> box: SiteName 2 then another 
> Until all the SiteNames in the Recordset are iterated and 
> displayed in sequential message boxes
> 
> Problem is I get 5 message boxes (There's 5 site sin the
> recordset) but always the 1st Sitename 
> never site 2 or 3 or 4 or 5
> 
> Something backwards in the syntax or not properly placed is suppose
> 
> Need help - Any takers?
> 
> Many thanks in advance
> 
> Darren
> 
>   For x = 1 To rs.RecordCount
>   	With rs
> 	      .MoveLast
>       	 MsgBox !SiteName
>             .MoveNext
>       End With
>   Next
> 
> Have a great day
> 
> Darren
> 
> 
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From d.dick at uws.edu.au  Tue Sep  7 02:07:55 2004
From: d.dick at uws.edu.au (Darren DICK)
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 17:07:55 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Another Recordset Syntax Q
In-Reply-To: <413DE434.21516.104CA311@lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <000201c494a9$65fdc410$4a619a89@DDICK>

Thanks Stuart

A mad pom with a similar answer (and an English accent) also told me the
same thing :-))

Many thanks to you both

Have a great day

Darren



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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Tuesday, 7 September 2004 4:39 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problemsolving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K: Another Recordset Syntax Q


On 7 Sep 2004 at 16:26, Darren DICK wrote:

>   For x = 1 To rs.RecordCount
>   	With rs
> 	      .MoveLast
>       	 MsgBox !SiteName
>             .MoveNext
>       End With
>   Next
> 

You keep moving to the last record before you display the Sitename

Try

rs.Movefirst
While not rs.eof
     Msgbox rs!Sitename
    rs.Movenext
Wend
-- 
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From subs1847 at solution-providers.ie  Tue Sep  7 04:08:37 2004
From: subs1847 at solution-providers.ie (Mark L. Breen)
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 10:08:37 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Gmail Invite (D)
References: <b874372a040831084468c84f04@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <003901c494ba$474923a0$de1118ac@D8TZHN0J>

Hello Francisco,

I have to ask, what is gmail?  Sorry if this is obvious

Mark


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To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 4:44 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Gmail Invite (D)


> Ok, here it is again, a Gmail Invite
>
> Reply off list w/ a funny joke, the Invite goes to the first response.
>
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Tue Sep  7 04:36:59 2004
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2004 19:36:59 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Gmail Invite (D)
In-Reply-To: <003901c494ba$474923a0$de1118ac@D8TZHN0J>
Message-ID: <413E0DDB.26661.10EF57B7@lexacorp.com.pg>

On 7 Sep 2004 at 10:08, Mark L. Breen wrote:

> Hello Francisco,
> 
> I have to ask, what is gmail?  Sorry if this is obvious
> 

See
https://gmail.google.com/?dest=http%3A%2F%2Fgmail.google.com%2Fgmail

Then read

http://gmail-is-too-creepy.com/

-- 
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Sep  7 05:04:35 2004
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 12:04:35 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Looping through TableDef.Fields
In-Reply-To: <73950-2200492701652977@christopherhawkins.com>
References: <73950-2200492701652977@christopherhawkins.com>
Message-ID: <10611317864.20040907120435@cactus.dk>

Hi Christopher

Also:

     Set td = db.TableDefs(sTableName)

and don't forget to Set your objects to Nothing when leaving.

/gustav


> I've done this a thousand time.  But right now, I'm full of codeine
> (broke a toe 30 minutes ago) and cannot think worth squat.
 
> Why will this code not work?  THe error-causing line is indicated by
a --->>

> [code]
> Public Sub GetTableInfo(sTableName As String)

> Dim db As DAO.Database
> Dim td As DAO.TableDef
> Dim sSQL As String
> Dim fld As DAO.Field

> On Error GoTo Err_GetTableInfo

>     Set db = CurrentDb()
    
>     Set td = CurrentDb.TableDefs(sTableName)
>     --->For Each fld In td
>         CurrentProject.Connection.Execute "INSERT INTO zTable
> (TableName, FieldName, Alias, SortOrder) VALUES ('" & sTableName &
> "', '" & fld.Name & "', '" & fld.Name & "', 0)"
>     Next fld
    
> Exit_GetTableInfo:
>     Exit Sub

> Err_GetTableInfo:
>     MsgBox Err.Description
>     Resume Exit_GetTableInfo
> End Sub
> [/code]



From cyx5 at cdc.gov  Tue Sep  7 06:27:03 2004
From: cyx5 at cdc.gov (Nicholson, Karen)
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 07:27:03 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] VB Menus - Creating Function for Actions?
Message-ID: <A5B5AA20555F594BA7B6BD2048E49E43840662@m-niosh-5.niosh.cdc.gov>

Thanks; it looks like case logic will do the trick.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 4:00 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] VB Menus - Creating Function for Actions?


Hello Karen,

I've only done this once with custom menus, but I did use an argument in
the
Function.  For example, 

OnAction is =StatusChange("Green")

There are three items on the menu, Red, Yellow, and Green.  They each
call
the same Function, but the action is dictated by the argument.

In the Function, set up a Select Case scenario, and you've gone from
three
functions to one.

HTH!
Dan Waters

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Nicholson,
Karen
Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 2:16 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] VB Menus - Creating Function for Actions?

I am coding my custom menus for many forms.  From what I have read, it
seems that in order to process an .OnAction, one needs to create a
function that can be reference inside of, for instance:

.Caption = "Tracking Sheet - Approval Applications"
.OnAction = "fnOpenTrackingSystemCL"

Do I really need to create functions to execute something as simple as:
DoCmd.OpenForm "frmTrackingSystemCL", acNormal
DoCmd.Maximize
(which is in the function fnOpenTrackingSystemCL)

Show below is my code for the menu item; there are a few modules
associated with this code to make it work, but this is the bulk of it:


Sub CreateNewMenuB()
  
    Dim strMenuNameB As String
    Dim cmdNewMenuB As CommandBar
    Dim cctlFormMenuB As CommandBarControl
    Dim cctlExitMenuB As CommandBarControl
        
    strMenuNameB = "ClosedProjectsMenu"
    
    'If strMenuName exists then deleted it. Commandbars have unique
names.
    'See global section for fIsCreated
    
    If fIsCreated(strMenuNameB) Then
        Application.CommandBars(strMenuNameB).Delete
    End If
        
    'Create a new Commandbar as MenuType
    
    Set cmdNewMenuB = Application.CommandBars.Add(strMenuNameB,
msoBarTop, True, False)
    
    With cmdNewMenuB
        'Set commandbar protection to no protection so users can change
it
        .Protection = msoBarNoProtection
        'Show new menu
        .Visible = True
    End With
       
    'Creating Form menu
    
    Set cctlFormMenuB = cmdNewMenuB.Controls.Add(msoControlPopup)
    cctlFormMenuB.Caption = "&File"
    
    'Creating Exit menu under File
    
    Set cctlExitMenuB = cctlFormMenuB.Controls.Add(msoControlButton)
    With cctlExitMenuB
        .Caption = "R&eturn"
        .OnAction = "fnQuitApp"
        .Caption = "Tracking Sheet - Approval Applications"
        .OnAction = "fnOpenTrackingSystemCL"
    End With
      
End Sub

Karen Nicholson
National Laboratory
Xerox Global Services


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From carbonnb at gmail.com  Tue Sep  7 07:44:11 2004
From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 08:44:11 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Keyboard Shortcut for comments
In-Reply-To: <013101c493d2$33406550$6601a8c0@HAL9002>
References: <413C48AA.6044.A0516E7@lexacorp.com.pg>
	<013101c493d2$33406550$6601a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <e04a6c920409070544117be127@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, 5 Sep 2004 22:27:28 -0700, Rocky Smolin - Beach Access
Software <bchacc at san.rr.com> wrote:
> Rats.  Another cluttery toolbar.

Not necessarily. I copied them from the edit tool bar to the menu bar. 

Now they sit beside the Help menu item, and are always available.

-- 
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com
Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well
preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
shouting "What a great ride!"


From fhtapia at gmail.com  Tue Sep  7 08:02:01 2004
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 06:02:01 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Gmail Invite (D)
In-Reply-To: <413E0DDB.26661.10EF57B7@lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <003901c494ba$474923a0$de1118ac@D8TZHN0J>
	<413E0DDB.26661.10EF57B7@lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <b874372a040907060249eb1dbc@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks,
  Gmail takes a new approach to email.  Not only do you get 1gb of
storage, but you get much more, organization is easier and following
threads in any mailing list is a breeze!  I really do dig it, so much
that I've moved many of my current mailing subscriptions to it.


On Tue, 07 Sep 2004 19:36:59 +1000, Stuart McLachlan
<stuart at lexacorp.com.pg> wrote:
> On 7 Sep 2004 at 10:08, Mark L. Breen wrote:
> 
> > Hello Francisco,
> >
> > I have to ask, what is gmail?  Sorry if this is obvious
> >
> 
> See
> https://gmail.google.com/?dest=http%3A%2F%2Fgmail.google.com%2Fgmail
> 
> Then read
> 
> http://gmail-is-too-creepy.com/
> 
> --
> Stuart
> 
> 
> 
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From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com  Tue Sep  7 08:03:09 2004
From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark S. (Newport News))
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 09:03:09 -0400 
Subject: [AccessD] Access & AutoCAD
Message-ID: <BA209D7D3A20BE499AB726E4ED7A6DA1FCB700@nprdex02.nns.com>

Sorry for the late replies...4-day weekend;)

As an engineering department, we utilize a plethora of CAD/modeling
packages, but the driving force behind using AutoCAD in this instance is
that the facilities management department uses AutoCAD and they have
graciously bestowed upon me a full-scale floor plan.

Currently, the information which I am trying to consolidate, which includes
a physical representation of the floor plan, resides in several Excel
spreadsheets.  Several copies of the worksheets are necessary to cover all
the information for office equipment and personnel.  Many of these
"overlays" include the personnel name data.  Each time a minor change occurs
in the department, several of these "overlays" must be changed.

You can see how my innate sense of normalization was offended at this
process;)  So, what I proposed was a single normalized database that would
store all of the data for personnel and equipment.  The AutoCAD drawing
could then be updated dynamically as needed...such as when personnel move
and we need to update the "You are here" maps that show the cubicle
locations for everyone.

A secondary reason for using in-house readily available software, is that,
when complete, this combined Access/AutoCAD application will be submitted as
an "Opportunity For Improvement" to hopefully be utilized throughout the
enterprise.


Mark



-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Lawrence (AccessD) [mailto:accessd at shaw.ca] 
Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2004 12:59 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access & AutoCAD


Hi Mark:

Sorry I am late to this conversation but is not AutoCAD comprised of a group
of exposed objects (dlls and ActiveX components) and AutoLISP, a VBA type
language. You of course have to be on a station where AutoCAD is installed
as well as Access.

One friend works in a government mapping office that uses ArcInfo but has a
number of translators and automated translation processes, one script used
translates AutoCAD DWG files into ArcInfo files and back...all using various
built in objects and their properties. I know they have the capabilities to
automate the extraction by levels, object types etc.. I imagine anything
else would be possible.

I think there is a few downloads and samples from some of the companies that
work extensively with various government agencies like:
http://www.esri.com/.
I might be able to get some help but would have to know a specific
requirement.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Mitsules, Mark
S. (Newport News)
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 12:51 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access & AutoCAD


Both.  First project is our departmental floor plan which will include ALL
of the attributes for personnel and equipment.  Later projects will build
BOM drawings in AutoCAD dynamically.  Concurrently with those, I would like
to develop an automation process which monitors a network folder, and when a
new drawing is placed there, automatically extract certain drawing
attributes, log them into a database, and create a .dwf format version for
intranet publication.


Mark


-----Original Message-----
From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 1:30 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access & AutoCAD


Mark,
Are you trying to use automation between the two or are you trying to use
access as a database for Autocad Attributes?

John B.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Mitsules, Mark
S. (Newport News)
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 12:04 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access & AutoCAD


...so I'm guessing I'm the only one in this unique position:(((


Mark





-----Original Message-----
From: Mitsules, Mark
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 5:42 PM
To: [AccessD]
Subject: [AccessD] Access & AutoCAD


Has anyone tackled this combination?  There is ONE example in the AutoCAD
samples folder.  There is ONE book that I found regarding database
connectivity (circa 1999).  ...and a DISTINCT lack of web-based material as
far as I can tell:(  I would be most appreciative for pointers towards any
of the following: recent books (AutoCAD 2002 or later), web-based tutorials,
web-based examples, personal examples, cave paintings...anything.

Thanks in advance for any/all information.

Mark
Conversely, I am willing to pay $40 to anyone willing to take the AutoCAD
help files and develop a booklet within the next 2 weeks, including a table
of contents, that will allow me to chronologically work my way through a
project.
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From kost36 at otenet.gr  Tue Sep  7 08:24:52 2004
From: kost36 at otenet.gr (Kostas Konstantinidis)
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 16:24:52 +0300
Subject: [AccessD] Protecting a subform with password
References: <FJEJLIPOMCGJALMGLLLIOEEOCGAA.accessd@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <000801c494de$0ff1c550$0100a8c0@KOST36>

Hi group,
thank's all for your response to my question
I tried the follown (which seems to work) and was wondering if it could be 
possible and how to hide the line "Level0Pass = "123""
making it unreadable e.g. instead of 123 to appear ***
thank you
kostas

Private Sub Command0_Click()
Dim Green As Boolean, Level0Pass As String, stDocName As String, 
stLinkCriteria As String
Level0Pass = "123"
Green = False
 If Pass = Level0Pass Then
    Green = True
 End If
 If Green Then
   stDocName = "MT_entoli"
   stLinkCriteria = "[AM]=" & [Forms]![MT_basic_char]![AM]
   DoCmd.OpenForm stDocName, , , stLinkCriteria
   DoCmd.Close acForm, "P_Form"
 Else
   DoCmd.Close
 End If
End Sub 




From Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org  Tue Sep  7 08:41:21 2004
From: Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 09:41:21 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Protecting a subform with password
Message-ID: <08F823FD83787D4BA0B99CA580AD3C74089B4C@TTNEXCHCL2.hshhp.com>

I don't think you can hide it in a code module but you do have ways to obscure it.  If a user gets into this code they can bypass the security anyway so encrypting or hiding the value in a module will only provide very limited trouble to someone who wants to get in.

1. Put the value in a table and name the table and field something completely unrelated to security (i.e Table Name: tblCleanup, FieldName: Status).  Then use a recordset to grab the check value.  
2.  Rename the variables to something harmless and break the variable up into pieces using concatenation to put it back together:
3. If Pass is a control on your form rename that to something harmless as well so as not to provide clues to its function.

Here is your code rewritten with this technique applied.  Of course you'll use dummy variable names that hide what you're doing better than these examples.

Dim sStart as String 
dim Green as Boolean
Dim sMid as String
Dim stDocName as String
Dim sEnd as String
dim stLinkCriteria as String
Dim sPutItTogether as String

sStart = "1"
Green = False
sMid = "2"
'add a comment or two here to separate the two values (mid and end)
sEnd = "3"


sPutItTogether = sStart & sMid & sEnd

 If Status = sPutItTogether Then
    Green = True
 End If
 If Green Then
   stDocName = "MT_entoli"
   stLinkCriteria = "[AM]=" & [Forms]![MT_basic_char]![AM]
   DoCmd.OpenForm stDocName, , , stLinkCriteria
   DoCmd.Close acForm, "P_Form"
 Else
   DoCmd.Close
 End If

HTH,

Jim DeMarco


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Kostas Konstantinidis
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 9:25 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Protecting a subform with password


Hi group,
thank's all for your response to my question
I tried the follown (which seems to work) and was wondering if it could be possible and how to hide the line "Level0Pass = "123""
making it unreadable e.g. instead of 123 to appear ***
thank you
kostas

Private Sub Command0_Click()
Dim Green As Boolean, Level0Pass As String, stDocName As String, 
stLinkCriteria As String
Level0Pass = "123"
Green = False
 If Pass = Level0Pass Then
    Green = True
 End If
 If Green Then
   stDocName = "MT_entoli"
   stLinkCriteria = "[AM]=" & [Forms]![MT_basic_char]![AM]
   DoCmd.OpenForm stDocName, , , stLinkCriteria
   DoCmd.Close acForm, "P_Form"
 Else
   DoCmd.Close
 End If
End Sub 


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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Tue Sep  7 09:11:37 2004
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (DWUTKA at marlow.com)
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 09:11:37 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] A2K ideas on Order Entry
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8031BB342@main2.marlow.com>

The beauty of unbound forms, with custom classes handling your processes, is
the ability to create your own events.  I have built several projects where
the forms display data based upon Global Class Objects, which interact
through events.  For example, I have an Inventory object, that has an
'inventory changed' event.  Whenever something happens to the inventory
(which is done through this class), it raises that event, and all open forms
that have are using this class receive that event, and thus update
themselves with the new information.

Yes, it takes a little longer to set something like that up, but it is
extraordinarily handy as you build more complex and 'smarter' applications.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Francisco
Tapia
Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2004 1:53 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] A2K ideas on Order Entry


Brainstorming here:

I have a parent form which houses important order entry information
such as Billto/Shipto, PO#, SO#, and Notes... along with that I have a
listbox (but have been working on a readonly subform datasheet view).

Users currently go into a popup window box to add new lineitems to
this order.  However... I'd like to control where the popup box hovers
over... meaning allowing for the subform to be viewable while the
popup form is on the screen.  This allows ME to refresh the subform to
display the newly entered items.

now currently while in the popup mode, I've made it so that as soon as
one line entry is complete, the form display clears out to allow
another entry, and thus all the data entry guy has to do is key in the
new qty etc. for his order.  but once he is done, I use a keypreview
to capture the ESC key to allow them to get out.  I thought about what
if they could just hit ENTER and when the QTY field is null it should
kick him out, but I get a bizzar error on the .OnExit event of the Qty
Field.  thus I can't exit the form while it's processing or something
like that....

any ideas?.. (yeah I realize that its' 12:00am PST but that's when the
mind is wandering :D)

thanks,



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From artful at rogers.com  Tue Sep  7 09:37:47 2004
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 10:37:47 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Syntax question about control references
In-Reply-To: <413DE434.21516.104CA311@lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <012901c494e8$3ea6aa50$6501a8c0@rock>

My form has controls whose names derive from the EoM() of a given date.
That is, the end of a month. The control's name will be something such
as "12/31/2004", etc. I need to set the focus to the column
corresponding to today's date. For the date on which I am writing this
message, the correct column is named "9/30/2004". I can derive this like
so:

? eom(date)
9/30/2004 

The EoM() function (which I wrote) returns a date. I need to take this
value and turn it into a reference to a column, such that I can write:

Me.columnName.SetFocus

I haven't quite got it yet. Any suggestions?

TIA,
Arthur



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart
McLachlan
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 2:39 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problemsolving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K: Another Recordset Syntax Q


On 7 Sep 2004 at 16:26, Darren DICK wrote:

>   For x = 1 To rs.RecordCount
>   	With rs
> 	      .MoveLast
>       	 MsgBox !SiteName
>             .MoveNext
>       End With
>   Next
> 

You keep moving to the last record before you display the Sitename

Try

rs.Movefirst
While not rs.eof
     Msgbox rs!Sitename
    rs.Movenext
Wend
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From artful at rogers.com  Tue Sep  7 09:51:30 2004
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 10:51:30 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Re: Syntax question about control references
Message-ID: <012a01c494ea$292698f0$6501a8c0@rock>

I loaded the object browser and looked at what Access thinks of as the
control names. Here I find that the controls are named like this:

	Ctl9_30_2004

So all it takes is one line to set the focus to said control:

	Me.Ctl9_30_2004.SetFocus

However, this is still not quite the perfect solution that I'm looking
for. The form in question is a datasheet with one frozen column, so the
titles of the rows are visible at all times. The line above places the
focus exactly where I want it, but the unfrozen part of the form scrolls
only far enough to make said column visible. What I really want is
either of these two options:

A) make the first of the scrollable columns BoY(date), i.e. 1/1/2004; or
B) make the first of the scrollable columns EoM(date), i.e. 9/30/2004.

In either case, I could construct the name by executing the EoM() and/or
BoY() functions, then substitute "_" for "/", then stringify that. But
will that work? I would need to plug the result into the statement, like
so:

	Me.<ctlName>.SetFocus

And that only gets me halfway to my goal, which is to scroll the columns
to that particular column.

Suggestions greatly appreciated!
A.



From michael.mattys at adelphia.net  Tue Sep  7 09:58:36 2004
From: michael.mattys at adelphia.net (Michael R Mattys)
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 10:58:36 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Syntax question about control references
References: <012901c494e8$3ea6aa50$6501a8c0@rock>
Message-ID: <008501c494eb$27dc4930$6401a8c0@default>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Arthur Fuller" 


> My form has controls whose names derive from the EoM() of a given date.
> That is, the end of a month. The control's name will be something such
> as "12/31/2004", etc. I need to set the focus to the column
> corresponding to today's date. For the date on which I am writing this
> message, the correct column is named "9/30/2004". 
...
> The EoM() function (which I wrote) returns a date. I need to take this
> value and turn it into a reference to a column, such that I can write:
> 
> Me.columnName.SetFocus

Arthur,

It looks like you mean to say that you have
a subform set to "continuous forms." If that's
the case, you'd say 

Me.SubformName.Form.Controls("EOMDate").SetFocus

----

Michael R. Mattys
Mattys MapLib for Microsoft MapPoint 
http://www.mattysconsulting.com


From gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Sep  7 10:07:50 2004
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 17:07:50 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Re: Syntax question about control references
In-Reply-To: <012a01c494ea$292698f0$6501a8c0@rock>
References: <012a01c494ea$292698f0$6501a8c0@rock>
Message-ID: <429512877.20040907170750@cactus.dk>

Hi Arthur

Don't know about the scrolling, but the focus could be set like this:

  Me("Ctl" & Format(EoM(), "m\_d\_yyyy")).SetFocus

/gustav


> I loaded the object browser and looked at what Access thinks of as the
> control names. Here I find that the controls are named like this:

>         Ctl9_30_2004

> So all it takes is one line to set the focus to said control:

>         Me.Ctl9_30_2004.SetFocus

> However, this is still not quite the perfect solution that I'm looking
> for. The form in question is a datasheet with one frozen column, so the
> titles of the rows are visible at all times. The line above places the
> focus exactly where I want it, but the unfrozen part of the form scrolls
> only far enough to make said column visible. What I really want is
> either of these two options:

> A) make the first of the scrollable columns BoY(date), i.e. 1/1/2004; or
> B) make the first of the scrollable columns EoM(date), i.e. 9/30/2004.

> In either case, I could construct the name by executing the EoM() and/or
> BoY() functions, then substitute "_" for "/", then stringify that. But
> will that work? I would need to plug the result into the statement, like
> so:

>         Me.<ctlName>.SetFocus

> And that only gets me halfway to my goal, which is to scroll the columns
> to that particular column.

> Suggestions greatly appreciated!
> A.



From CMackin at Quiznos.com  Tue Sep  7 10:17:14 2004
From: CMackin at Quiznos.com (Mackin, Christopher)
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 09:17:14 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Syntax question about control references
Message-ID: <EBEA2FA1665EDA40A600D92C87B9B4CE020C3B@snowmass.quiznos.net>

strCtlName = CStr(eom(date))
Me(strCtlName).SetFocus 

Should work.

-Chris Mackin

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 8:38 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Syntax question about control references


My form has controls whose names derive from the EoM() of a given date.
That is, the end of a month. The control's name will be something such
as "12/31/2004", etc. I need to set the focus to the column
corresponding to today's date. For the date on which I am writing this
message, the correct column is named "9/30/2004". I can derive this like
so:

? eom(date)
9/30/2004 

The EoM() function (which I wrote) returns a date. I need to take this
value and turn it into a reference to a column, such that I can write:

Me.columnName.SetFocus

I haven't quite got it yet. Any suggestions?

TIA,
Arthur



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart
McLachlan
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 2:39 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problemsolving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K: Another Recordset Syntax Q


On 7 Sep 2004 at 16:26, Darren DICK wrote:

>   For x = 1 To rs.RecordCount
>   	With rs
> 	      .MoveLast
>       	 MsgBox !SiteName
>             .MoveNext
>       End With
>   Next
> 

You keep moving to the last record before you display the Sitename

Try

rs.Movefirst
While not rs.eof
     Msgbox rs!Sitename
    rs.Movenext
Wend
-- 
Stuart


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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Sep  7 10:18:04 2004
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2004 11:18:04 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] A2K ideas on Order Entry
In-Reply-To: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8031BB342@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <000601c494ed$e3cd9e80$80b3fea9@ColbyM6805>

Drew,

I most appreciate your observations re classes and events, but it is
unhelpful to cast them in the light of unbound forms.  Any class can
generate a custom event (even a form's class), they can do so without forms
even being involved, and they can do so to manage a bound form as easily as
an unbound form.

But yes, your observations re transmitting messages to other classes (and
forms) is right on target.  Way cool.

I use a set of classes to handle logging process messages to disk.  Have you
ever looked at SQL Server's log, or windows startup log?  Very handy to
troubleshoot what's going on when something fails.  I have a set of classes
that listens for an event (on a message channel in my case).  If they
receive that message (sink an event and the message is for it), the class
logs the message content into a disk file.

I use exactly the same process to log process status to tables when my
program needs to monitor process status.  A set of classes monitors a
message channel (sinks an event for a message class instance) and if the
message is for that class, writes the message content to a table.

Using "loggers" in this fashion allows my programs to log processes without
each piece having to know how to log to a disk file or log to a table.  It
simply calls a message class instance method and passes a to:, subject:, and
message: and the logger handles the rest.  I can have multiple logger
instances, one each process that needs logging, each instance knows it's
disk file name or table name and logs to the right place.

In fact I also use the message class for inter-form and inter-process
communications inside an application.  Once you have a message class built,
it is trivial to pass messages to any other class (only classes can sink
events).  My framework automatically starts one general purpose message
class so that is a known entity sure to exist.  Any process can send a
message on that message instance.  If a process needs it's own message
channel for some reason, it can ask the framework to open another instance
(stored in a collection by message channel name) and pass back a pointer to
that channel instance.  Now any set of classes involved in that process go
get a pointer to that message channel instance and use that as a private
message channel.

Custom events allow processes to be "black box", do their thing, and
broadcast an event when some thing happens.  That is extremely useful in
interface design since it isolates classes.  The matching part (or parts)
don't have to be running to test, different parts can sink the events in
different situations etc.

This stuff is way cool.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of DWUTKA at marlow.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 10:12 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K ideas on Order Entry


The beauty of unbound forms, with custom classes handling your processes, is
the ability to create your own events.  I have built several projects where
the forms display data based upon Global Class Objects, which interact
through events.  For example, I have an Inventory object, that has an
'inventory changed' event.  Whenever something happens to the inventory
(which is done through this class), it raises that event, and all open forms
that have are using this class receive that event, and thus update
themselves with the new information.

Yes, it takes a little longer to set something like that up, but it is
extraordinarily handy as you build more complex and 'smarter' applications.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Francisco Tapia
Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2004 1:53 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] A2K ideas on Order Entry


Brainstorming here:

I have a parent form which houses important order entry information such as
Billto/Shipto, PO#, SO#, and Notes... along with that I have a listbox (but
have been working on a readonly subform datasheet view).

Users currently go into a popup window box to add new lineitems to this
order.  However... I'd like to control where the popup box hovers over...
meaning allowing for the subform to be viewable while the popup form is on
the screen.  This allows ME to refresh the subform to display the newly
entered items.

now currently while in the popup mode, I've made it so that as soon as one
line entry is complete, the form display clears out to allow another entry,
and thus all the data entry guy has to do is key in the new qty etc. for his
order.  but once he is done, I use a keypreview to capture the ESC key to
allow them to get out.  I thought about what if they could just hit ENTER
and when the QTY field is null it should kick him out, but I get a bizzar
error on the .OnExit event of the Qty Field.  thus I can't exit the form
while it's processing or something like that....

any ideas?.. (yeah I realize that its' 12:00am PST but that's when the mind
is wandering :D)

thanks,



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From cyx5 at cdc.gov  Tue Sep  7 10:27:37 2004
From: cyx5 at cdc.gov (Nicholson, Karen)
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 11:27:37 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Logon/Password Same as Network
Message-ID: <A5B5AA20555F594BA7B6BD2048E49E43840669@m-niosh-5.niosh.cdc.gov>

I know how to grab the logon from the network; is there a way to make
the password to be the same as the password housed on the network so
that the user will have the same logon/password?  Thanks!

Karen Nicholson
National Laboratory
Xerox Global Services




From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com  Tue Sep  7 11:02:54 2004
From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 12:02:54 -0400 
Subject: [AccessD] Logon/Password Same as Network
Message-ID: <1D7828CDB8350747AFE9D69E0E90DA1F02D088D1@xlivmbx21.aig.com>

What's "the password"? Do you mean the logging password used for Access
Security? Why would you want to make this the same as the users LAN login
password? To do so would require your to keep the two synchronized and that
would be a pain. Or do you in fact want to use the "Windows NT Challenge"
process to validate an already logged in user?

All I can say is that Authentication is kinda complex, but take a look here
for an example....

http://vbnet.mvps.org/index.html?code/network/acceptsecuritycontext.htm

Just be sure not to store those passwords anywhere or you will open up a
security hole big enough to drive an 18-wheeler through.

Lambert


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> From:	accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [SMTP:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Nicholson, Karen
> Sent:	Tuesday, September 07, 2004 11:28 AM
> To:	accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject:	[AccessD] Logon/Password Same as Network
> 
> I know how to grab the logon from the network; is there a way to make
> the password to be the same as the password housed on the network so
> that the user will have the same logon/password?  Thanks!
> 
> Karen Nicholson
> National Laboratory
> Xerox Global Services
> 
> 
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Tue Sep  7 11:32:20 2004
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (DWUTKA at marlow.com)
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 11:32:20 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] A2K ideas on Order Entry
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8031BB344@main2.marlow.com>

I was referring to unbound forms because in the business logic structures I
have built, the business logic is built into stand along classes.  These
classes can then be used by any form.  So the classes let the forms
interact.  Yes, you can put events into bound forms, but you don't have the
same 'interaction' then.

For instance, in Francisco's original message, he could get around his
particular issue by creating an event for his main form, which he can sink
into his popup form, so when he triggers that event, the popup form receives
it, and acts appropriately.

In my case, I built the entire structure that way, so one interaction is
seen by all that need it.

Here's an example.  I built in Inventory Class.  This class can be used to
add inventory items, create inventory transactions, modify inventory items,
etc. etc.  Anything and everything to do with the inventory system required
by the business logic.  So now I build a few forms.  One to add/modify
inventory items (not actual transactions, but item definitions), on for
inventory transactions.  Now I also have a Site class (where inventory
goes/comes from, during transactions).  Same principle, it handles all of
the interactions with Sites.  The inventory transaction form uses both the
Inventory class and the Site class.  There is also a Site Add/Edit form.
All three forms work independantly, however, due to the events within the
classes, when something is done that 'could' affect another class, then
events are raised, and any open form that uses that class is notified.

I know this could still be done strictly with bound forms, but I think the
unbound approach is cleaner.  In the example above, I would need to
reference two forms, to capture any/all changes to the inventory (and if I'm
making a third form, I would have to go back and modify the first two forms
to handle the third), where as the central class method handles it all by
itself.  No going back to modify other forms, new forms can be built
whenever needed, and all of the existing forms need not be aware of them,
since they all work off of the same Inventory object.

Okay, nuff said, cause we don't need another bound/unbound discussion.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 10:18 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K ideas on Order Entry


Drew,

I most appreciate your observations re classes and events, but it is
unhelpful to cast them in the light of unbound forms.  Any class can
generate a custom event (even a form's class), they can do so without forms
even being involved, and they can do so to manage a bound form as easily as
an unbound form.

But yes, your observations re transmitting messages to other classes (and
forms) is right on target.  Way cool.

I use a set of classes to handle logging process messages to disk.  Have you
ever looked at SQL Server's log, or windows startup log?  Very handy to
troubleshoot what's going on when something fails.  I have a set of classes
that listens for an event (on a message channel in my case).  If they
receive that message (sink an event and the message is for it), the class
logs the message content into a disk file.

I use exactly the same process to log process status to tables when my
program needs to monitor process status.  A set of classes monitors a
message channel (sinks an event for a message class instance) and if the
message is for that class, writes the message content to a table.

Using "loggers" in this fashion allows my programs to log processes without
each piece having to know how to log to a disk file or log to a table.  It
simply calls a message class instance method and passes a to:, subject:, and
message: and the logger handles the rest.  I can have multiple logger
instances, one each process that needs logging, each instance knows it's
disk file name or table name and logs to the right place.

In fact I also use the message class for inter-form and inter-process
communications inside an application.  Once you have a message class built,
it is trivial to pass messages to any other class (only classes can sink
events).  My framework automatically starts one general purpose message
class so that is a known entity sure to exist.  Any process can send a
message on that message instance.  If a process needs it's own message
channel for some reason, it can ask the framework to open another instance
(stored in a collection by message channel name) and pass back a pointer to
that channel instance.  Now any set of classes involved in that process go
get a pointer to that message channel instance and use that as a private
message channel.

Custom events allow processes to be "black box", do their thing, and
broadcast an event when some thing happens.  That is extremely useful in
interface design since it isolates classes.  The matching part (or parts)
don't have to be running to test, different parts can sink the events in
different situations etc.

This stuff is way cool.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of DWUTKA at marlow.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 10:12 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K ideas on Order Entry


The beauty of unbound forms, with custom classes handling your processes, is
the ability to create your own events.  I have built several projects where
the forms display data based upon Global Class Objects, which interact
through events.  For example, I have an Inventory object, that has an
'inventory changed' event.  Whenever something happens to the inventory
(which is done through this class), it raises that event, and all open forms
that have are using this class receive that event, and thus update
themselves with the new information.

Yes, it takes a little longer to set something like that up, but it is
extraordinarily handy as you build more complex and 'smarter' applications.

Drew

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Francisco Tapia
Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2004 1:53 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] A2K ideas on Order Entry


Brainstorming here:

I have a parent form which houses important order entry information such as
Billto/Shipto, PO#, SO#, and Notes... along with that I have a listbox (but
have been working on a readonly subform datasheet view).

Users currently go into a popup window box to add new lineitems to this
order.  However... I'd like to control where the popup box hovers over...
meaning allowing for the subform to be viewable while the popup form is on
the screen.  This allows ME to refresh the subform to display the newly
entered items.

now currently while in the popup mode, I've made it so that as soon as one
line entry is complete, the form display clears out to allow another entry,
and thus all the data entry guy has to do is key in the new qty etc. for his
order.  but once he is done, I use a keypreview to capture the ESC key to
allow them to get out.  I thought about what if they could just hit ENTER
and when the QTY field is null it should kick him out, but I get a bizzar
error on the .OnExit event of the Qty Field.  thus I can't exit the form
while it's processing or something like that....

any ideas?.. (yeah I realize that its' 12:00am PST but that's when the mind
is wandering :D)

thanks,



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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Tue Sep  7 12:38:58 2004
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 18:38:58 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Broadcast A Message
In-Reply-To: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8031BB344@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <000001c49501$8e6e8490$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25>

Hi folks

Anyone got any info/code to broadcast a message to selected machines/users.
We've an NT4 server and a Novell server so could use either technology.

-- Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Sep  7 12:58:27 2004
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2004 13:58:27 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] A2K ideas on Order Entry
In-Reply-To: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8031BB344@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <000701c49504$4817e5b0$80b3fea9@ColbyM6805>

Drew,

I understand what you are saying but there is no reason a bound form cannot
use (reference) those same business classes.  That's all I'm saying.  It has
absolutely nothing to do with bound / unbound.  I (mostly) use bound forms.
But I routinely reference business classes from those forms.  The form's
class references the class Withevents and can now sink events from that
class if it needs to.

If a new form needs to receive messages from that class then it simply gets
a pointer to that class instance.  By dimming the class global in a module
(and initializing it there) ANY form (or any class, since a form is just a
class after all) can grab a pointer to the class and sink any events
broadcast by that class.  

You didn't say whether these unbound forms are getting a pointer to an
instance of a single (global) class or dimming an instance of the class in
each form.  Either way, a bound form can do exactly the same things.  If a
business class instance is created for each form then a message channel such
as I described previously allows intercommunication.  The business class
instance sends a message on the (global) message channel.  If a global
business class instance is used by all forms, then each form grabs a pointer
to the global class instance directly and calls methods of the class to
inform the class (other users of the class) that it has manipulated data,
and sinks it's events to determine that other forms have manipulated data.
Either way, bound or unbound doesn't matter.  

I agree, this is not about bound vs unbound, but rather whether the same
concepts can be applied or used and they most certainly can.  I simply don't
want our members saying "oh, I'm using bound so I can't use that idea".  Of
course they can, I do every day.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of DWUTKA at marlow.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 12:32 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K ideas on Order Entry


I was referring to unbound forms because in the business logic structures I
have built, the business logic is built into stand along classes.  These
classes can then be used by any form.  So the classes let the forms
interact.  Yes, you can put events into bound forms, but you don't have the
same 'interaction' then.

For instance, in Francisco's original message, he could get around his
particular issue by creating an event for his main form, which he can sink
into his popup form, so when he triggers that event, the popup form receives
it, and acts appropriately.

In my case, I built the entire structure that way, so one interaction is
seen by all that need it.

Here's an example.  I built in Inventory Class.  This class can be used to
add inventory items, create inventory transactions, modify inventory items,
etc. etc.  Anything and everything to do with the inventory system required
by the business logic.  So now I build a few forms.  One to add/modify
inventory items (not actual transactions, but item definitions), on for
inventory transactions.  Now I also have a Site class (where inventory
goes/comes from, during transactions).  Same principle, it handles all of
the interactions with Sites.  The inventory transaction form uses both the
Inventory class and the Site class.  There is also a Site Add/Edit form. All
three forms work independantly, however, due to the events within the
classes, when something is done that 'could' affect another class, then
events are raised, and any open form that uses that class is notified.

I know this could still be done strictly with bound forms, but I think the
unbound approach is cleaner.  In the example above, I would need to
reference two forms, to capture any/all changes to the inventory (and if I'm
making a third form, I would have to go back and modify the first two forms
to handle the third), where as the central class method handles it all by
itself.  No going back to modify other forms, new forms can be built
whenever needed, and all of the existing forms need not be aware of them,
since they all work off of the same Inventory object.

Okay, nuff said, cause we don't need another bound/unbound discussion.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 10:18 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K ideas on Order Entry


Drew,

I most appreciate your observations re classes and events, but it is
unhelpful to cast them in the light of unbound forms.  Any class can
generate a custom event (even a form's class), they can do so without forms
even being involved, and they can do so to manage a bound form as easily as
an unbound form.

But yes, your observations re transmitting messages to other classes (and
forms) is right on target.  Way cool.

I use a set of classes to handle logging process messages to disk.  Have you
ever looked at SQL Server's log, or windows startup log?  Very handy to
troubleshoot what's going on when something fails.  I have a set of classes
that listens for an event (on a message channel in my case).  If they
receive that message (sink an event and the message is for it), the class
logs the message content into a disk file.

I use exactly the same process to log process status to tables when my
program needs to monitor process status.  A set of classes monitors a
message channel (sinks an event for a message class instance) and if the
message is for that class, writes the message content to a table.

Using "loggers" in this fashion allows my programs to log processes without
each piece having to know how to log to a disk file or log to a table.  It
simply calls a message class instance method and passes a to:, subject:, and
message: and the logger handles the rest.  I can have multiple logger
instances, one each process that needs logging, each instance knows it's
disk file name or table name and logs to the right place.

In fact I also use the message class for inter-form and inter-process
communications inside an application.  Once you have a message class built,
it is trivial to pass messages to any other class (only classes can sink
events).  My framework automatically starts one general purpose message
class so that is a known entity sure to exist.  Any process can send a
message on that message instance.  If a process needs it's own message
channel for some reason, it can ask the framework to open another instance
(stored in a collection by message channel name) and pass back a pointer to
that channel instance.  Now any set of classes involved in that process go
get a pointer to that message channel instance and use that as a private
message channel.

Custom events allow processes to be "black box", do their thing, and
broadcast an event when some thing happens.  That is extremely useful in
interface design since it isolates classes.  The matching part (or parts)
don't have to be running to test, different parts can sink the events in
different situations etc.

This stuff is way cool.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of DWUTKA at marlow.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 10:12 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K ideas on Order Entry


The beauty of unbound forms, with custom classes handling your processes, is
the ability to create your own events.  I have built several projects where
the forms display data based upon Global Class Objects, which interact
through events.  For example, I have an Inventory object, that has an
'inventory changed' event.  Whenever something happens to the inventory
(which is done through this class), it raises that event, and all open forms
that have are using this class receive that event, and thus update
themselves with the new information.

Yes, it takes a little longer to set something like that up, but it is
extraordinarily handy as you build more complex and 'smarter' applications.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Francisco Tapia
Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2004 1:53 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] A2K ideas on Order Entry


Brainstorming here:

I have a parent form which houses important order entry information such as
Billto/Shipto, PO#, SO#, and Notes... along with that I have a listbox (but
have been working on a readonly subform datasheet view).

Users currently go into a popup window box to add new lineitems to this
order.  However... I'd like to control where the popup box hovers over...
meaning allowing for the subform to be viewable while the popup form is on
the screen.  This allows ME to refresh the subform to display the newly
entered items.

now currently while in the popup mode, I've made it so that as soon as one
line entry is complete, the form display clears out to allow another entry,
and thus all the data entry guy has to do is key in the new qty etc. for his
order.  but once he is done, I use a keypreview to capture the ESC key to
allow them to get out.  I thought about what if they could just hit ENTER
and when the QTY field is null it should kick him out, but I get a bizzar
error on the .OnExit event of the Qty Field.  thus I can't exit the form
while it's processing or something like that....

any ideas?.. (yeah I realize that its' 12:00am PST but that's when the mind
is wandering :D)

thanks,



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From JRojas at tnco-inc.com  Tue Sep  7 12:54:02 2004
From: JRojas at tnco-inc.com (Joe Rojas)
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 13:54:02 -0400 
Subject: [AccessD] A2K ideas on Order Entry
Message-ID: <0CC84C9461AE6445AD5A602001C41C4B059E7C@mercury.tnco-inc.com>

Wow, this stuff sounds pretty cool.
I know that both you and John have talked about classes before but do either
of you have example databases that demonstrate this kind of functionality?

Thanks,
JR

-----Original Message-----
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com]
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 12:32 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K ideas on Order Entry

I was referring to unbound forms because in the business logic structures I
have built, the business logic is built into stand along classes.  These
classes can then be used by any form.  So the classes let the forms
interact.  Yes, you can put events into bound forms, but you don't have the
same 'interaction' then.

For instance, in Francisco's original message, he could get around his
particular issue by creating an event for his main form, which he can sink
into his popup form, so when he triggers that event, the popup form receives
it, and acts appropriately.

In my case, I built the entire structure that way, so one interaction is
seen by all that need it.

Here's an example.  I built in Inventory Class.  This class can be used to
add inventory items, create inventory transactions, modify inventory items,
etc. etc.  Anything and everything to do with the inventory system required
by the business logic.  So now I build a few forms.  One to add/modify
inventory items (not actual transactions, but item definitions), on for
inventory transactions.  Now I also have a Site class (where inventory
goes/comes from, during transactions).  Same principle, it handles all of
the interactions with Sites.  The inventory transaction form uses both the
Inventory class and the Site class.  There is also a Site Add/Edit form.
All three forms work independantly, however, due to the events within the
classes, when something is done that 'could' affect another class, then
events are raised, and any open form that uses that class is notified.

I know this could still be done strictly with bound forms, but I think the
unbound approach is cleaner.  In the example above, I would need to
reference two forms, to capture any/all changes to the inventory (and if I'm
making a third form, I would have to go back and modify the first two forms
to handle the third), where as the central class method handles it all by
itself.  No going back to modify other forms, new forms can be built
whenever needed, and all of the existing forms need not be aware of them,
since they all work off of the same Inventory object.

Okay, nuff said, cause we don't need another bound/unbound discussion.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 10:18 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K ideas on Order Entry


Drew,

I most appreciate your observations re classes and events, but it is
unhelpful to cast them in the light of unbound forms.  Any class can
generate a custom event (even a form's class), they can do so without forms
even being involved, and they can do so to manage a bound form as easily as
an unbound form.

But yes, your observations re transmitting messages to other classes (and
forms) is right on target.  Way cool.

I use a set of classes to handle logging process messages to disk.  Have you
ever looked at SQL Server's log, or windows startup log?  Very handy to
troubleshoot what's going on when something fails.  I have a set of classes
that listens for an event (on a message channel in my case).  If they
receive that message (sink an event and the message is for it), the class
logs the message content into a disk file.

I use exactly the same process to log process status to tables when my
program needs to monitor process status.  A set of classes monitors a
message channel (sinks an event for a message class instance) and if the
message is for that class, writes the message content to a table.

Using "loggers" in this fashion allows my programs to log processes without
each piece having to know how to log to a disk file or log to a table.  It
simply calls a message class instance method and passes a to:, subject:, and
message: and the logger handles the rest.  I can have multiple logger
instances, one each process that needs logging, each instance knows it's
disk file name or table name and logs to the right place.

In fact I also use the message class for inter-form and inter-process
communications inside an application.  Once you have a message class built,
it is trivial to pass messages to any other class (only classes can sink
events).  My framework automatically starts one general purpose message
class so that is a known entity sure to exist.  Any process can send a
message on that message instance.  If a process needs it's own message
channel for some reason, it can ask the framework to open another instance
(stored in a collection by message channel name) and pass back a pointer to
that channel instance.  Now any set of classes involved in that process go
get a pointer to that message channel instance and use that as a private
message channel.

Custom events allow processes to be "black box", do their thing, and
broadcast an event when some thing happens.  That is extremely useful in
interface design since it isolates classes.  The matching part (or parts)
don't have to be running to test, different parts can sink the events in
different situations etc.

This stuff is way cool.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of DWUTKA at marlow.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 10:12 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K ideas on Order Entry


The beauty of unbound forms, with custom classes handling your processes, is
the ability to create your own events.  I have built several projects where
the forms display data based upon Global Class Objects, which interact
through events.  For example, I have an Inventory object, that has an
'inventory changed' event.  Whenever something happens to the inventory
(which is done through this class), it raises that event, and all open forms
that have are using this class receive that event, and thus update
themselves with the new information.

Yes, it takes a little longer to set something like that up, but it is
extraordinarily handy as you build more complex and 'smarter' applications.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Francisco Tapia
Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2004 1:53 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] A2K ideas on Order Entry


Brainstorming here:

I have a parent form which houses important order entry information such as
Billto/Shipto, PO#, SO#, and Notes... along with that I have a listbox (but
have been working on a readonly subform datasheet view).

Users currently go into a popup window box to add new lineitems to this
order.  However... I'd like to control where the popup box hovers over...
meaning allowing for the subform to be viewable while the popup form is on
the screen.  This allows ME to refresh the subform to display the newly
entered items.

now currently while in the popup mode, I've made it so that as soon as one
line entry is complete, the form display clears out to allow another entry,
and thus all the data entry guy has to do is key in the new qty etc. for his
order.  but once he is done, I use a keypreview to capture the ESC key to
allow them to get out.  I thought about what if they could just hit ENTER
and when the QTY field is null it should kick him out, but I get a bizzar
error on the .OnExit event of the Qty Field.  thus I can't exit the form
while it's processing or something like that....

any ideas?.. (yeah I realize that its' 12:00am PST but that's when the mind
is wandering :D)

thanks,



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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Sep  7 13:22:20 2004
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2004 14:22:20 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] AHOO!!!  Got my action pack
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From BBarabash at TappeConstruction.com  Tue Sep  7 13:38:55 2004
From: BBarabash at TappeConstruction.com (Brett Barabash)
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 13:38:55 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] AHOO!!!  Got my action pack
Message-ID: <100F91B31300334B89EC531C9DCB086506592A@tccexch01.tappeconstruction.net>

Um, bless you...

So, what did it include?  I'm hearing mixed reports on its content.  Any
VS.NET stuff?

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I just got my MS Action pack, very nice.  So much to know, so little
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Sep  7 12:46:01 2004
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence (AccessD))
Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2004 10:46:01 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Protecting a subform with password
In-Reply-To: <000801c494de$0ff1c550$0100a8c0@KOST36>
Message-ID: <FJEJLIPOMCGJALMGLLLIIEGPCGAA.accessd@shaw.ca>

Hi Kostas:

It is not possible to hide the line of code in an uncompiled DB, (MDB). You
can compile the DB is compiled into a MDE file and therefore blocking
viewing access to all the source.

HTH
Jim

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Kostas
Konstantinidis
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 6:25 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Protecting a subform with password


Hi group,
thank's all for your response to my question
I tried the follown (which seems to work) and was wondering if it could be
possible and how to hide the line "Level0Pass = "123""
making it unreadable e.g. instead of 123 to appear ***
thank you
kostas

Private Sub Command0_Click()
Dim Green As Boolean, Level0Pass As String, stDocName As String,
stLinkCriteria As String
Level0Pass = "123"
Green = False
 If Pass = Level0Pass Then
    Green = True
 End If
 If Green Then
   stDocName = "MT_entoli"
   stLinkCriteria = "[AM]=" & [Forms]![MT_basic_char]![AM]
   DoCmd.OpenForm stDocName, , , stLinkCriteria
   DoCmd.Close acForm, "P_Form"
 Else
   DoCmd.Close
 End If
End Sub


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From prodevmg at yahoo.com  Tue Sep  7 13:47:35 2004
From: prodevmg at yahoo.com (Lonnie Johnson)
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 11:47:35 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] AHOO!!!  Got my action pack
In-Reply-To: <000801c49507$a0be1ce0$80b3fea9@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <20040907184735.64356.qmail@web20423.mail.yahoo.com>

What's the main advantage to having the Action pack?

"John W. Colby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
I just got my MS Action pack, very nice. So much to know, so little time.

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From fhtapia at gmail.com  Tue Sep  7 14:05:53 2004
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 12:05:53 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] A2K ideas on Order Entry
In-Reply-To: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8031BB344@main2.marlow.com>
References: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8031BB344@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <b874372a040907120557233f10@mail.gmail.com>

*<phew>* didn't realize what I started... but here goes... Yes my
"ade" is an unbound application it's the FE for a Sql Server Database.
 And While listboxes get bound, many other items are populated via ado
recordsets to unbound controls.  It has been the best approach because
it is an ADP.

I was really trying to think of a cleaner approach to this screen w/
Order Entry...

where The form has critical information for the parties at hand, and
then the lineitems are listed below, but if the popup form is open,
and the user hits enter while in the qty box and exits it, I'd like to
make it so that the popup box closes automatically if there is NO data
in that field.

I tried a simple docmd.close in the textbox's OnExit event but keep
comming up w/ an error...

and if this was also considered a messy approach, perhaps streamlining it?


On Tue, 7 Sep 2004 11:32:20 -0500, dwutka at marlow.com <dwutka at marlow.com> wrote:
> I was referring to unbound forms because in the business logic structures I
> have built, the business logic is built into stand along classes.  These
> classes can then be used by any form.  So the classes let the forms
> interact.  Yes, you can put events into bound forms, but you don't have the
> same 'interaction' then.
> 
> For instance, in Francisco's original message, he could get around his
> particular issue by creating an event for his main form, which he can sink
> into his popup form, so when he triggers that event, the popup form receives
> it, and acts appropriately.
> 
> In my case, I built the entire structure that way, so one interaction is
> seen by all that need it.
> 
> Here's an example.  I built in Inventory Class.  This class can be used to
> add inventory items, create inventory transactions, modify inventory items,
> etc. etc.  Anything and everything to do with the inventory system required
> by the business logic.  So now I build a few forms.  One to add/modify
> inventory items (not actual transactions, but item definitions), on for
> inventory transactions.  Now I also have a Site class (where inventory
> goes/comes from, during transactions).  Same principle, it handles all of
> the interactions with Sites.  The inventory transaction form uses both the
> Inventory class and the Site class.  There is also a Site Add/Edit form.
> All three forms work independantly, however, due to the events within the
> classes, when something is done that 'could' affect another class, then
> events are raised, and any open form that uses that class is notified.
> 
> I know this could still be done strictly with bound forms, but I think the
> unbound approach is cleaner.  In the example above, I would need to
> reference two forms, to capture any/all changes to the inventory (and if I'm
> making a third form, I would have to go back and modify the first two forms
> to handle the third), where as the central class method handles it all by
> itself.  No going back to modify other forms, new forms can be built
> whenever needed, and all of the existing forms need not be aware of them,
> since they all work off of the same Inventory object.
> 
> Okay, nuff said, cause we don't need another bound/unbound discussion.
> 
> Drew
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John W. Colby
> Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 10:18 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K ideas on Order Entry
> 
> Drew,
> 
> I most appreciate your observations re classes and events, but it is
> unhelpful to cast them in the light of unbound forms.  Any class can
> generate a custom event (even a form's class), they can do so without forms
> even being involved, and they can do so to manage a bound form as easily as
> an unbound form.
> 
> But yes, your observations re transmitting messages to other classes (and
> forms) is right on target.  Way cool.
> 
> I use a set of classes to handle logging process messages to disk.  Have you
> ever looked at SQL Server's log, or windows startup log?  Very handy to
> troubleshoot what's going on when something fails.  I have a set of classes
> that listens for an event (on a message channel in my case).  If they
> receive that message (sink an event and the message is for it), the class
> logs the message content into a disk file.
> 
> I use exactly the same process to log process status to tables when my
> program needs to monitor process status.  A set of classes monitors a
> message channel (sinks an event for a message class instance) and if the
> message is for that class, writes the message content to a table.
> 
> Using "loggers" in this fashion allows my programs to log processes without
> each piece having to know how to log to a disk file or log to a table.  It
> simply calls a message class instance method and passes a to:, subject:, and
> message: and the logger handles the rest.  I can have multiple logger
> instances, one each process that needs logging, each instance knows it's
> disk file name or table name and logs to the right place.
> 
> In fact I also use the message class for inter-form and inter-process
> communications inside an application.  Once you have a message class built,
> it is trivial to pass messages to any other class (only classes can sink
> events).  My framework automatically starts one general purpose message
> class so that is a known entity sure to exist.  Any process can send a
> message on that message instance.  If a process needs it's own message
> channel for some reason, it can ask the framework to open another instance
> (stored in a collection by message channel name) and pass back a pointer to
> that channel instance.  Now any set of classes involved in that process go
> get a pointer to that message channel instance and use that as a private
> message channel.
> 
> Custom events allow processes to be "black box", do their thing, and
> broadcast an event when some thing happens.  That is extremely useful in
> interface design since it isolates classes.  The matching part (or parts)
> don't have to be running to test, different parts can sink the events in
> different situations etc.
> 
> This stuff is way cool.
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of DWUTKA at marlow.com
> Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 10:12 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K ideas on Order Entry
> 
> The beauty of unbound forms, with custom classes handling your processes, is
> the ability to create your own events.  I have built several projects where
> the forms display data based upon Global Class Objects, which interact
> through events.  For example, I have an Inventory object, that has an
> 'inventory changed' event.  Whenever something happens to the inventory
> (which is done through this class), it raises that event, and all open forms
> that have are using this class receive that event, and thus update
> themselves with the new information.
> 
> Yes, it takes a little longer to set something like that up, but it is
> extraordinarily handy as you build more complex and 'smarter' applications.
> 
> Drew
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Francisco Tapia
> Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2004 1:53 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] A2K ideas on Order Entry
> 
> Brainstorming here:
> 
> I have a parent form which houses important order entry information such as
> Billto/Shipto, PO#, SO#, and Notes... along with that I have a listbox (but
> have been working on a readonly subform datasheet view).
> 
> Users currently go into a popup window box to add new lineitems to this
> order.  However... I'd like to control where the popup box hovers over...
> meaning allowing for the subform to be viewable while the popup form is on
> the screen.  This allows ME to refresh the subform to display the newly
> entered items.
> 
> now currently while in the popup mode, I've made it so that as soon as one
> line entry is complete, the form display clears out to allow another entry,
> and thus all the data entry guy has to do is key in the new qty etc. for his
> order.  but once he is done, I use a keypreview to capture the ESC key to
> allow them to get out.  I thought about what if they could just hit ENTER
> and when the QTY field is null it should kick him out, but I get a bizzar
> error on the .OnExit event of the Qty Field.  thus I can't exit the form
> while it's processing or something like that....
> 
> any ideas?.. (yeah I realize that its' 12:00am PST but that's when the mind
> is wandering :D)
> 
> thanks,
> 


-- 
-Francisco


From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Tue Sep  7 14:04:13 2004
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (DWUTKA at marlow.com)
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 14:04:13 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] A2K ideas on Order Entry
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8031BB349@main2.marlow.com>

Oh, good point.  I've only had one cup of coffee this morning, so I'm a
little out of it still! <grin>

Yes, you could use a bound form, and still trigger from a global class.  It
is still a little more 'backwords' work though, because then the form has to
capture what is done on it, and send it to the global class, versus letting
the global class do all of the work, and send it out as an event.  Just two
different approaches.

Ironically, the initial concept of the Inventory system I spoke of was going
to be VB 6.0, until the very last minute, when the contractor I work for
decided he wanted to be able to make changes of his own, so he insisted on
Access 2000.  Ugh.  Would have prefered VB 6.0, so instead, he got a VERY
heavily coded Access 2000 app. <grin>

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 12:58 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K ideas on Order Entry


Drew,

I understand what you are saying but there is no reason a bound form cannot
use (reference) those same business classes.  That's all I'm saying.  It has
absolutely nothing to do with bound / unbound.  I (mostly) use bound forms.
But I routinely reference business classes from those forms.  The form's
class references the class Withevents and can now sink events from that
class if it needs to.

If a new form needs to receive messages from that class then it simply gets
a pointer to that class instance.  By dimming the class global in a module
(and initializing it there) ANY form (or any class, since a form is just a
class after all) can grab a pointer to the class and sink any events
broadcast by that class.  

You didn't say whether these unbound forms are getting a pointer to an
instance of a single (global) class or dimming an instance of the class in
each form.  Either way, a bound form can do exactly the same things.  If a
business class instance is created for each form then a message channel such
as I described previously allows intercommunication.  The business class
instance sends a message on the (global) message channel.  If a global
business class instance is used by all forms, then each form grabs a pointer
to the global class instance directly and calls methods of the class to
inform the class (other users of the class) that it has manipulated data,
and sinks it's events to determine that other forms have manipulated data.
Either way, bound or unbound doesn't matter.  

I agree, this is not about bound vs unbound, but rather whether the same
concepts can be applied or used and they most certainly can.  I simply don't
want our members saying "oh, I'm using bound so I can't use that idea".  Of
course they can, I do every day.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of DWUTKA at marlow.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 12:32 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K ideas on Order Entry


I was referring to unbound forms because in the business logic structures I
have built, the business logic is built into stand along classes.  These
classes can then be used by any form.  So the classes let the forms
interact.  Yes, you can put events into bound forms, but you don't have the
same 'interaction' then.

For instance, in Francisco's original message, he could get around his
particular issue by creating an event for his main form, which he can sink
into his popup form, so when he triggers that event, the popup form receives
it, and acts appropriately.

In my case, I built the entire structure that way, so one interaction is
seen by all that need it.

Here's an example.  I built in Inventory Class.  This class can be used to
add inventory items, create inventory transactions, modify inventory items,
etc. etc.  Anything and everything to do with the inventory system required
by the business logic.  So now I build a few forms.  One to add/modify
inventory items (not actual transactions, but item definitions), on for
inventory transactions.  Now I also have a Site class (where inventory
goes/comes from, during transactions).  Same principle, it handles all of
the interactions with Sites.  The inventory transaction form uses both the
Inventory class and the Site class.  There is also a Site Add/Edit form. All
three forms work independantly, however, due to the events within the
classes, when something is done that 'could' affect another class, then
events are raised, and any open form that uses that class is notified.

I know this could still be done strictly with bound forms, but I think the
unbound approach is cleaner.  In the example above, I would need to
reference two forms, to capture any/all changes to the inventory (and if I'm
making a third form, I would have to go back and modify the first two forms
to handle the third), where as the central class method handles it all by
itself.  No going back to modify other forms, new forms can be built
whenever needed, and all of the existing forms need not be aware of them,
since they all work off of the same Inventory object.

Okay, nuff said, cause we don't need another bound/unbound discussion.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 10:18 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K ideas on Order Entry


Drew,

I most appreciate your observations re classes and events, but it is
unhelpful to cast them in the light of unbound forms.  Any class can
generate a custom event (even a form's class), they can do so without forms
even being involved, and they can do so to manage a bound form as easily as
an unbound form.

But yes, your observations re transmitting messages to other classes (and
forms) is right on target.  Way cool.

I use a set of classes to handle logging process messages to disk.  Have you
ever looked at SQL Server's log, or windows startup log?  Very handy to
troubleshoot what's going on when something fails.  I have a set of classes
that listens for an event (on a message channel in my case).  If they
receive that message (sink an event and the message is for it), the class
logs the message content into a disk file.

I use exactly the same process to log process status to tables when my
program needs to monitor process status.  A set of classes monitors a
message channel (sinks an event for a message class instance) and if the
message is for that class, writes the message content to a table.

Using "loggers" in this fashion allows my programs to log processes without
each piece having to know how to log to a disk file or log to a table.  It
simply calls a message class instance method and passes a to:, subject:, and
message: and the logger handles the rest.  I can have multiple logger
instances, one each process that needs logging, each instance knows it's
disk file name or table name and logs to the right place.

In fact I also use the message class for inter-form and inter-process
communications inside an application.  Once you have a message class built,
it is trivial to pass messages to any other class (only classes can sink
events).  My framework automatically starts one general purpose message
class so that is a known entity sure to exist.  Any process can send a
message on that message instance.  If a process needs it's own message
channel for some reason, it can ask the framework to open another instance
(stored in a collection by message channel name) and pass back a pointer to
that channel instance.  Now any set of classes involved in that process go
get a pointer to that message channel instance and use that as a private
message channel.

Custom events allow processes to be "black box", do their thing, and
broadcast an event when some thing happens.  That is extremely useful in
interface design since it isolates classes.  The matching part (or parts)
don't have to be running to test, different parts can sink the events in
different situations etc.

This stuff is way cool.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of DWUTKA at marlow.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 10:12 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K ideas on Order Entry


The beauty of unbound forms, with custom classes handling your processes, is
the ability to create your own events.  I have built several projects where
the forms display data based upon Global Class Objects, which interact
through events.  For example, I have an Inventory object, that has an
'inventory changed' event.  Whenever something happens to the inventory
(which is done through this class), it raises that event, and all open forms
that have are using this class receive that event, and thus update
themselves with the new information.

Yes, it takes a little longer to set something like that up, but it is
extraordinarily handy as you build more complex and 'smarter' applications.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Francisco Tapia
Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2004 1:53 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] A2K ideas on Order Entry


Brainstorming here:

I have a parent form which houses important order entry information such as
Billto/Shipto, PO#, SO#, and Notes... along with that I have a listbox (but
have been working on a readonly subform datasheet view).

Users currently go into a popup window box to add new lineitems to this
order.  However... I'd like to control where the popup box hovers over...
meaning allowing for the subform to be viewable while the popup form is on
the screen.  This allows ME to refresh the subform to display the newly
entered items.

now currently while in the popup mode, I've made it so that as soon as one
line entry is complete, the form display clears out to allow another entry,
and thus all the data entry guy has to do is key in the new qty etc. for his
order.  but once he is done, I use a keypreview to capture the ESC key to
allow them to get out.  I thought about what if they could just hit ENTER
and when the QTY field is null it should kick him out, but I get a bizzar
error on the .OnExit event of the Qty Field.  thus I can't exit the form
while it's processing or something like that....

any ideas?.. (yeah I realize that its' 12:00am PST but that's when the mind
is wandering :D)

thanks,



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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Sep  7 14:14:01 2004
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2004 15:14:01 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] A2K ideas on Order Entry
In-Reply-To: <0CC84C9461AE6445AD5A602001C41C4B059E7C@mercury.tnco-inc.com>
Message-ID: <000a01c4950e$d8a52980$80b3fea9@ColbyM6805>

Joe,

I have a demo on my site that demonstrates the message channel I referred to
earlier.  I use that class in production software.  A message channel adds a
layer of indirection but is essentially the same concept.

1) The message class is instantiated globally and a function created that
can return a reference to the class.  If you need several different channels
for some reason, the next step is a class that has a collection to hold
instances of the message class and functions to create new message class
instances, store them in the collection, then return pointers to the message
class instances.

2) Either way, a USER of the message class gets a pointer to a specific
message class instance.  The variable that holds the class instance is
dimmed WithEvents.  Once the USER of the message class has the pointer to
the instance, it can call methods of the message class passing:

From:
To:
Subject:
Message:

Looks like an email doesn't it?  Think of it as sending an email to another
process.

So EVERY USER, and by USER I mean classes that need to communicate, gets a
pointer to a message class instance, dimmed Withevents.  The class creates
an event sink that SINKS the event messages.  Think of that as the message
class inbox.  Whenever ANY USER sends a message on the message "channel"
every USER gets the message in it's inbox (the event sink).

Now any user can call a method of the message class sending a message.  Pass
the From, To, Subject and Message.  ALL other USERS get the message.  The
key here is flexibility.  The user can see if it is TO that user, and do
nothing with the message if it isn't, or process the message if it is.

OR... The message receiver can look at just the subject and decide whether
to process or ignore the message.

Etc.

To sum it up, ALL USERS get a pointer to a global instance of a message
class.  Each user sets up an event sink, the inbox.  Any user can transmit a
message by calling a method of the message class.  ALL users get the
message.  The individual users decide how to filter the messages, whether by
"who it's from", "Who it's to", "Subject" etc.  Any or all of the USERS can
process a message, or NONE of them can.  Just depends on the situation and
the programmer's needs.

This concept and this demo neatly shows how withevents work and how powerful
they can be.

I use message channels often in my software.  I already mentioned my disk
and table loggers.  I have also used them for forms such as a calendar that
is loaded and stays open.  The calendar form receives messages "To" it.  The
way I use it is that the message in this case is a pointer to a control to
return the calendar value to.  YES, THIS IS IMPORTANT... The message class
can pass strings, but it can also pass pointers to objects!!!!!  VERY COOL.


So the calendar form unhides itself, grabs the pointer to the control passed
in, stores it temporarily in a control variable, takes user input, and
places the value back in the control that that it was told to modify, sets
the pointer to the control to nothing, then hides itself again.

Classes raising events is so powerful that once you understand how it works
you will forever change the way you design programs.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Joe Rojas
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 1:54 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K ideas on Order Entry


Wow, this stuff sounds pretty cool.
I know that both you and John have talked about classes before but do either
of you have example databases that demonstrate this kind of functionality?

Thanks,
JR

-----Original Message-----
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com]
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 12:32 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K ideas on Order Entry

I was referring to unbound forms because in the business logic structures I
have built, the business logic is built into stand along classes.  These
classes can then be used by any form.  So the classes let the forms
interact.  Yes, you can put events into bound forms, but you don't have the
same 'interaction' then.

For instance, in Francisco's original message, he could get around his
particular issue by creating an event for his main form, which he can sink
into his popup form, so when he triggers that event, the popup form receives
it, and acts appropriately.

In my case, I built the entire structure that way, so one interaction is
seen by all that need it.

Here's an example.  I built in Inventory Class.  This class can be used to
add inventory items, create inventory transactions, modify inventory items,
etc. etc.  Anything and everything to do with the inventory system required
by the business logic.  So now I build a few forms.  One to add/modify
inventory items (not actual transactions, but item definitions), on for
inventory transactions.  Now I also have a Site class (where inventory
goes/comes from, during transactions).  Same principle, it handles all of
the interactions with Sites.  The inventory transaction form uses both the
Inventory class and the Site class.  There is also a Site Add/Edit form. All
three forms work independantly, however, due to the events within the
classes, when something is done that 'could' affect another class, then
events are raised, and any open form that uses that class is notified.

I know this could still be done strictly with bound forms, but I think the
unbound approach is cleaner.  In the example above, I would need to
reference two forms, to capture any/all changes to the inventory (and if I'm
making a third form, I would have to go back and modify the first two forms
to handle the third), where as the central class method handles it all by
itself.  No going back to modify other forms, new forms can be built
whenever needed, and all of the existing forms need not be aware of them,
since they all work off of the same Inventory object.

Okay, nuff said, cause we don't need another bound/unbound discussion.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 10:18 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K ideas on Order Entry


Drew,

I most appreciate your observations re classes and events, but it is
unhelpful to cast them in the light of unbound forms.  Any class can
generate a custom event (even a form's class), they can do so without forms
even being involved, and they can do so to manage a bound form as easily as
an unbound form.

But yes, your observations re transmitting messages to other classes (and
forms) is right on target.  Way cool.

I use a set of classes to handle logging process messages to disk.  Have you
ever looked at SQL Server's log, or windows startup log?  Very handy to
troubleshoot what's going on when something fails.  I have a set of classes
that listens for an event (on a message channel in my case).  If they
receive that message (sink an event and the message is for it), the class
logs the message content into a disk file.

I use exactly the same process to log process status to tables when my
program needs to monitor process status.  A set of classes monitors a
message channel (sinks an event for a message class instance) and if the
message is for that class, writes the message content to a table.

Using "loggers" in this fashion allows my programs to log processes without
each piece having to know how to log to a disk file or log to a table.  It
simply calls a message class instance method and passes a to:, subject:, and
message: and the logger handles the rest.  I can have multiple logger
instances, one each process that needs logging, each instance knows it's
disk file name or table name and logs to the right place.

In fact I also use the message class for inter-form and inter-process
communications inside an application.  Once you have a message class built,
it is trivial to pass messages to any other class (only classes can sink
events).  My framework automatically starts one general purpose message
class so that is a known entity sure to exist.  Any process can send a
message on that message instance.  If a process needs it's own message
channel for some reason, it can ask the framework to open another instance
(stored in a collection by message channel name) and pass back a pointer to
that channel instance.  Now any set of classes involved in that process go
get a pointer to that message channel instance and use that as a private
message channel.

Custom events allow processes to be "black box", do their thing, and
broadcast an event when some thing happens.  That is extremely useful in
interface design since it isolates classes.  The matching part (or parts)
don't have to be running to test, different parts can sink the events in
different situations etc.

This stuff is way cool.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of DWUTKA at marlow.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 10:12 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K ideas on Order Entry


The beauty of unbound forms, with custom classes handling your processes, is
the ability to create your own events.  I have built several projects where
the forms display data based upon Global Class Objects, which interact
through events.  For example, I have an Inventory object, that has an
'inventory changed' event.  Whenever something happens to the inventory
(which is done through this class), it raises that event, and all open forms
that have are using this class receive that event, and thus update
themselves with the new information.

Yes, it takes a little longer to set something like that up, but it is
extraordinarily handy as you build more complex and 'smarter' applications.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Francisco Tapia
Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2004 1:53 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] A2K ideas on Order Entry


Brainstorming here:

I have a parent form which houses important order entry information such as
Billto/Shipto, PO#, SO#, and Notes... along with that I have a listbox (but
have been working on a readonly subform datasheet view).

Users currently go into a popup window box to add new lineitems to this
order.  However... I'd like to control where the popup box hovers over...
meaning allowing for the subform to be viewable while the popup form is on
the screen.  This allows ME to refresh the subform to display the newly
entered items.

now currently while in the popup mode, I've made it so that as soon as one
line entry is complete, the form display clears out to allow another entry,
and thus all the data entry guy has to do is key in the new qty etc. for his
order.  but once he is done, I use a keypreview to capture the ESC key to
allow them to get out.  I thought about what if they could just hit ENTER
and when the QTY field is null it should kick him out, but I get a bizzar
error on the .OnExit event of the Qty Field.  thus I can't exit the form
while it's processing or something like that....

any ideas?.. (yeah I realize that its' 12:00am PST but that's when the mind
is wandering :D)

thanks,



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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Sep  7 14:24:54 2004
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2004 15:24:54 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] AHOO!!!  Got my action pack
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I'll send a message tonight with the disk names.  Basically 2003 stuff
mostly.  LOTS of various servers.  NO enterprise versions.  8-(

There are about 20-30 disks plus what look like training CDs.  I haven't
loaded any of it yet since I have to do work and this is (for now) play.

John W. Colby
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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brett Barabash
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 2:39 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack


Um, bless you...

So, what did it include?  I'm hearing mixed reports on its content.  Any
VS.NET stuff?

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Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 1:22 PM
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I just got my MS Action pack, very nice.  So much to know, so little time.

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From fhtapia at gmail.com  Tue Sep  7 15:29:37 2004
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 13:29:37 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Prompt after Form loads
In-Reply-To: <b874372a04090409085a33553a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312A0E@infoserver01.infostat.local>
	<b874372a04090111355e8e559@mail.gmail.com>
	<8444881516.20040901205336@cactus.dk>
	<b874372a04090114144f08610f@mail.gmail.com>
	<1896904147.20040902103514@cactus.dk>
	<b874372a04090409085a33553a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b874372a0409071329718f13fc@mail.gmail.com>

This solution of adding the function as the data source for the record
worked as I had wanted.  Thanks for following up w/ me on this.  I had
some code running off a timer on other forms that I've been able to
convert because of this solution thanks :D



On Sat, 4 Sep 2004 09:08:30 -0700, Francisco Tapia <fhtapia at gmail.com> wrote:
> I will try this solution later... thanks :D
> 
> 
> On Thu, 2 Sep 2004 10:35:14 +0200, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
> > Hi Francisco
> >
> > > I tried the counter solution, and it fires before the form is "visible"
> >
> > You are right, missed that, but here is how to do this without the
> > Timer:
> >
> > First, create this function in the subform:
> >
> > Private Function ShowAtOpen()
> >
> >   Static booOpened  As Boolean
> >
> >   If booOpened = False Then
> >     ' Replace with your code.
> >     MsgBox "Load?", vbQuestion, "Francisco"
> >     ' Run only once.
> >     booOpened = True
> >   End If
> >
> > End Function
> >
> > Now, create a textbox in the subform, make it not Visible, and bind it
> > like this:
> >
> > =ShowAtOpen()
> >
> > This will pop the code when the form and the sub have been rendered
> > including controls bound to the recordsource of the form. The only
> > limitation I can see is, that other controls bound to an expression
> > (=something()) may have their values retrieved after the firing of
> > ShowAtOpen.
> >
> > /gustav
> >
> >
> > > On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 20:53:36 +0200, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
> > >> Hi Francisco
> > >>
> > >> > Agreed, I use them as a very last solution.  They do  CAUSE flickers,
> > >> > and they interrupt other process as well.  Such as adverse behavoirs
> > >> > when using a combo bx and you find that your dropdown doesn't stay
> > >> > dropped, because the timer continues to fire off in the background :D
> > >>
> > >> Except in this case ... did you try the counter solution?
> > >> Works excellent here.
> >
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Tue Sep  7 12:03:08 2004
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (DWUTKA at marlow.com)
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 12:03:08 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] Logon/Password Same as Network
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8031BB346@main2.marlow.com>

Just an FYI, I've seen this code before, and it's not quite perfect.  There
are false negatives.  For example, my current password on our network shows
as being 'false' or invalid.  My co-worker's shows true (so the code does
work.).  The reason it fails, is because I use an Ascii character out of the
normal typable range in my password.  That fails on a lot of things that use
API calls to authenticate. (Remote Administrator, by Famatech won't let me
'login' from a remote terminal, if I try to use my normal domain
account....)

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Heenan,
Lambert
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 11:03 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; 'Nicholson,
Karen'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Logon/Password Same as Network


What's "the password"? Do you mean the logging password used for Access
Security? Why would you want to make this the same as the users LAN login
password? To do so would require your to keep the two synchronized and that
would be a pain. Or do you in fact want to use the "Windows NT Challenge"
process to validate an already logged in user?

All I can say is that Authentication is kinda complex, but take a look here
for an example....

http://vbnet.mvps.org/index.html?code/network/acceptsecuritycontext.htm

Just be sure not to store those passwords anywhere or you will open up a
security hole big enough to drive an 18-wheeler through.

Lambert


> -----Original Message-----
> From:	accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [SMTP:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Nicholson, Karen
> Sent:	Tuesday, September 07, 2004 11:28 AM
> To:	accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject:	[AccessD] Logon/Password Same as Network
> 
> I know how to grab the logon from the network; is there a way to make
> the password to be the same as the password housed on the network so
> that the user will have the same logon/password?  Thanks!
> 
> Karen Nicholson
> National Laboratory
> Xerox Global Services
> 
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From Oleg_123 at xuppa.com  Tue Sep  7 18:22:25 2004
From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com (Oleg_123 at xuppa.com)
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 19:22:25 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Import columns
In-Reply-To: <5211622762.20040905132250@cactus.dk>
References: <b874372a04090322136fd861ba@mail.gmail.com>
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	<16154.216.223.34.13.1094341710.squirrel@heck.xuppa.com>
	<5211622762.20040905132250@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <3098.24.187.37.126.1094599345.squirrel@heck.xuppa.com>

Hi Gustav
I envy you :))
Unfortanetely, i had used my old code (which is 5 times longer) one caz I
also have to import to front clumns as well

> Hi Oleg
>
> Assuming that your 12 fields are juxtaposed, why not just loop through
> the records and the fields:
>
> Public Function AppendRecords()
>
>   ' First field of source table to pick data.
>   Const clngRst1Offset As Long = 4  ' Adjust!
>   ' First field of target table to insert data.
>   Const clngRst2Offset As Long = 1  ' Adjust!
>   ' Max count of fields to use in target table.
>   Const clngRst2Max    As Long = 12
>
>   Dim cnn        As ADODB.Connection
>   Dim rst1       As ADODB.Recordset
>   Dim rst2       As ADODB.Recordset
>   Dim strSQL1    As String
>   Dim strSQL2    As String
>   Dim lngField1  As Long
>   Dim lngField2  As Long
>   Dim lngField   As Long
>
>   Set cnn = CurrentProject.Connection
>   Set rst1 = New ADODB.Recordset
>   Set rst2 = New ADODB.Recordset
>
>   strSQL1 = "Select * From Hrsqd"
>   strSQL2 = "Select Top 1 * From Hrsqd_Full"
>
>   rst1.Open strSQL1, cnn, adOpenKeyset, adLockOptimistic,
> adCmdTableDirect rst2.Open strSQL2, cnn, adOpenKeyset,
> adLockOptimistic, adCmdTableDirect
>
>   ' Number of fields to pick from source table.
>   lngField1 = rst1.Fields.Count - clngRst1Offset
>   ' First field in target table to insert data.
>   lngField2 = clngRst2Offset + clngRst2Max - lngField1
>
>   Do While Not rst1.EOF
>     rst2.AddNew
>       For lngField = 0 To lngField1 - 1
>         rst2.Fields(lngField2 + lngField).Value = _
>           rst1.Fields(clngRst1Offset + lngField).Value
>       Next
>     rst2.Update
>     rst1.MoveNext
>   Loop
>
>   rst2.Close
>   rst1.Close
>
>   Set rst2 = Nothing
>   Set rst1 = Nothing
>   Set cnn = Nothing
>
> End Function
>
> /gustav
>
>
>> Hey Group, happy holidays fro those of u in US. I am supposed to count
>> the number of columns and based on the result import the data into a
>> table with month names. The last column always contains December
>> Am I on the right track ?
>> This is what I've done so far ---
>
>> Private Sub Command1_Click()
>> Dim cnn As ADODB.Connection
>> Dim rst1 As New ADODB.Recordset
>> Dim SQL1 As String, SQL2 As String
>> Dim a As Integer 'number of columns
>> Dim b As Integer
>> Dim Jan, Feb, Mar, Apr, May, Jun, Jul, Aug, Sep, Oct, Nov, Dec
>
>> Set cnn = CurrentProject.Connection
>
>> SQL1 = "Select * From Hrsqd"
>> rst1.Open SQL1, cnn, adOpenKeyset, adLockOptimistic, adCmdTableDirect
>
>> a = rst1.Fields.Count 'number of fields
>> b = a - 2 ' number of month fields
>
>
>
>> If b = 6 Then 'Jul - Dec
>> Do Until rst1.EOF
>> Jul = rst1.Fields(3)
>> Aug = rst1.Fields(4)
>> Sep = rst1.Fields(5)
>> Oct = rst1.Fields(6)
>> Nov = rst1.Fields(7)
>> Dec = rst1.Fields(8)
>> Loop
>> End If
>
>> If b = 5 Then 'Aug - Dec
>> Do Until rst1.EOF
>> Aug = rst1.Fields(3)
>> Sep = rst1.Fields(4)
>> Oct = rst1.Fields(5)
>> Nov = rst1.Fields(6)
>> Dec = rst1.Fields(7)
>> Loop
>> End If
>
>> If b = 4 Then 'Sep - Dec
>> Do Until rst1.EOF
>> Sep = rst1.Fields(3)
>> Oct = rst1.Fields(4)
>> Nov = rst1.Fields(5)
>> Dec = rst1.Fields(6)
>> Loop
>> End If
>
>> rst1.Close
>
>> SQL2 = "INSERT Into HRSQD_Full (Jan, Feb, Mar, Apr, May, Jun, Jul,
>> Aug, Sep, Oct, Nov, Dec) Values (" & Jan & "," & Feb & "," & Mar & ","
>> & Apr & "," & May & "," & Jun & "," & Jul & "," & Aug & "," & Sep &
>> "," & Oct & "," & Nov & "," & Dec & ")"
>
>> MsgBox a
>
>> End Sub
>
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From Oleg_123 at xuppa.com  Tue Sep  7 18:35:38 2004
From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com (Oleg_123 at xuppa.com)
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 19:35:38 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [AccessD] transferring text file
In-Reply-To: <b874372a040907060249eb1dbc@mail.gmail.com>
References: <003901c494ba$474923a0$de1118ac@D8TZHN0J>
	<413E0DDB.26661.10EF57B7@lexacorp.com.pg>
	<b874372a040907060249eb1dbc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3357.24.187.37.126.1094600138.squirrel@heck.xuppa.com>

Hello Group, I need  either transfer txt file to a table either
everything(first 2 columns in a text format)
or if possible to to transfer first 2 columns in a text format, skip
columns 3-8, and then column 9 and everything else. (There is no fixed
number of fields(columns) in the text file  it varies from 9 to 20)
I tried with a macro (but i can't do specifications since i dom't know how
columns there'll be) but it for some reason wants to transfer first second
column as number (when its clearly text) thus loosing a lot of data. I got
this so far, not sure what's next ---

Private Sub Command4_Click()
    On Error Resume Next

Dim fs As New Scripting.FileSystemObject
Dim ts As Scripting.TextStream
Dim gOut As Outlook.Application
Dim mOut As Outlook.MailItem
Dim strLine As String
Dim aRecord

If fs.FileExists("C:\Hrsqd.txt") Then
    MsgBox "Exists"
        Set ts = fs.OpenTextFile("C:\Hrsqd.txt", ForReading)
        Do Until ts.AtEndOfStream
            strLine = ts.ReadLine
            aRecord = Split(strLine, ",")
        Loop
Else
    MsgBox "Doesn't Exist"

    End If
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From donald.a.Mcgillivray at mail.sprint.com  Tue Sep  7 19:36:46 2004
From: donald.a.Mcgillivray at mail.sprint.com (Mcgillivray, Donald [ITS])
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 19:36:46 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Synchronizing Subform to Main form based on a date
Message-ID: <988E2AC88CCB54459286C4077DB662F50129DBA5@PDAWB03C.ad.sprint.com>

I'm pulling my hair out on this one.

I have a simple main form with two unbound combos, one for a location
and the other for a date.  The RowSource for the location combo is a
table that contains a record for each location - pulling the PK in
column 1 and Name in column 2 from that table.  Column 1 is bound and
its width set to 0 so that only the name displays.  The RowSource for
the date combo is a summary query pulling from a transaction table with
column 1 equal to Int(MyDateFromTrxTable) and column 2 equal to
Format(MyDateFromTrxTable,"mm/dd/yyyy").  The query is grouped on column
1 so that only one row for each date appears.  Column 1 is bound and
width set to 0 so that only the formatted dates appear.

I'm having trouble getting a simple subform ([Location], Int([Date]),
[ItemDetail]) to synchronize with the main form.  Using the location and
date values, the only way I've been able to get it to work is to expose
the first column of the date combo by setting its width to something
other than zero.  Of course, I don't want the date serial number to be
displayed on the form - just the formatted date.  

Note that I have restricted both the bound column of the combo and the
corresponding value in the subform to just the integer portion of the
date.  Thus, I don't think this is a matter of trying to match a
"date-only" value against a "date-with-time" value.

I work with subforms like this all the time, though I don't think I've
ever attempted to use a date value as part of the link.  Is there some
esoteric quality of date values that I need to know about here?  Anybody
have a clue about why this won't work as advertised?

Thanks!

Don McGillivray


From artful at rogers.com  Tue Sep  7 20:40:05 2004
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 21:40:05 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Syntax question about control references
In-Reply-To: <EBEA2FA1665EDA40A600D92C87B9B4CE020C3B@snowmass.quiznos.net>
Message-ID: <01c401c49544$c4441f10$6501a8c0@rock>

Works like a charm, Chris! Thanks. 

Now I just have the remaining and strictly cosmetic problem, but the
interface screams out for it, and if I could deliver it I know the users
would have spiritual orgasms.

The way is datasheet form is currently laid out, the column
corresponding to today is positioned at the extreme right of the visible
part of the form. Column 1 of the form is invisible. Column 2 is frozen.
I would LOVE to somehow scroll the columns so that the column selected
using your code is the first visible scrollable column. Is horizontal
scrolling somehow programmable?

Thanks again. Two clean lines of yours plus a Dim of mine and it's
smooth as glass.

Arthur

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mackin,
Christopher
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 11:17 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Syntax question about control references


strCtlName = CStr(eom(date))
Me(strCtlName).SetFocus 

Should work.

-Chris Mackin



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Sep  7 23:01:46 2004
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 00:01:46 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] AHOO!!!  Got my action pack
In-Reply-To: <20040907184735.64356.qmail@web20423.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000e01c49558$93bb8fe0$80b3fea9@ColbyM6805>

The action pack is a deal MS offers developers or companies that develop for
or sell MS stuff.  For $300-400 they give you a ton of the latest software
and 10 licenses for all of it.  You are allowed to use it in house, but not
sell it or install it on any client machines.  It includes:

Office Professional 2003
Office Publisher 2003
Office Frontpage 2003
Office Visio Professional 2003
Office Project Professional 2003
Business contact Manager for Outlook 2003
Office OneNote 2003
MapPoint 2004 Standard Edition
Windows XP Professional
Virtual PC 2004
Office Infopath 2003
Business Solutions CRM Professional
Windows Server 2003 Standard Edition
Windows Server 2003 Web Edition
Exchange Server 2003 Enterprise Edition
Office Project Server 2003
Office Sharepoint Server 2003
Office Live Communications Server 2003
SQL Server 2000 Standard Edition (damn!)
SQL Server 2000 Service Pack 3a
SQL Server Reporting Services
Mobile Information Server 2002
Swindows Sharepoint Services Standard 2003
Windows Small Business Server 2003 Premium Edition

What is all this stuff you may ask.  No idea.

The package appears to also come with some kind of training CD for each ofr
these things.  No books, must all be on CD.  A neat little (BIG) organizer
size canvas folder to hold the disks.  Nothing to hold the training
materials (C'mon MS, another folder to hold that and the sleeves hole
punched would have made it so much more professional).

http://members.microsoft.com/partner/salesmarketing/partnermarket/actionpack
/actionpackus.aspx

Watch for wrap.

I had been looking at this package for awhile in order to bring my office
into the modern age (as defined by MS).  

So there you have it.  A lot of stuff for a medium price (one year license
though!).  But it gives you 10 licenses.  I can put XP on all my desktops,
Server 2003 on both my new "server" machines, look at and possibly use
Office 2003 on my machines etc.  I have a home office with 2 "server class"
machines and 2 desktop machines, plus one modern laptop and an old POS
laptop that I am currently re-installing Win2K Pro on.  Being able to get a
consistent platform on everything might be nice.

I had hoped to see 64bit OS and SQL Server included - they apparently do
exists, but not in here.  8-(

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lonnie Johnson
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 2:48 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack


What's the main advantage to having the Action pack?

"John W. Colby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
I just got my MS Action pack, very nice. So much to know, so little time.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 




From bchacc at san.rr.com  Wed Sep  8 00:06:35 2004
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 22:06:35 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] AHOO!!!  Got my action pack
References: <000e01c49558$93bb8fe0$80b3fea9@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <057e01c49561$9d9328d0$6601a8c0@HAL9002>

John:

Thanks for the rundown.  I've being trying to decide between that and the
partner program.  This one looks god.  Except what's that about a one-year
license.  Does your copy of Office 2003 crap out after one year?

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John W. Colby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 9:01 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack


> The action pack is a deal MS offers developers or companies that develop
for
> or sell MS stuff.  For $300-400 they give you a ton of the latest software
> and 10 licenses for all of it.  You are allowed to use it in house, but
not
> sell it or install it on any client machines.  It includes:
>
> Office Professional 2003
> Office Publisher 2003
> Office Frontpage 2003
> Office Visio Professional 2003
> Office Project Professional 2003
> Business contact Manager for Outlook 2003
> Office OneNote 2003
> MapPoint 2004 Standard Edition
> Windows XP Professional
> Virtual PC 2004
> Office Infopath 2003
> Business Solutions CRM Professional
> Windows Server 2003 Standard Edition
> Windows Server 2003 Web Edition
> Exchange Server 2003 Enterprise Edition
> Office Project Server 2003
> Office Sharepoint Server 2003
> Office Live Communications Server 2003
> SQL Server 2000 Standard Edition (damn!)
> SQL Server 2000 Service Pack 3a
> SQL Server Reporting Services
> Mobile Information Server 2002
> Swindows Sharepoint Services Standard 2003
> Windows Small Business Server 2003 Premium Edition
>
> What is all this stuff you may ask.  No idea.
>
> The package appears to also come with some kind of training CD for each
ofr
> these things.  No books, must all be on CD.  A neat little (BIG) organizer
> size canvas folder to hold the disks.  Nothing to hold the training
> materials (C'mon MS, another folder to hold that and the sleeves hole
> punched would have made it so much more professional).
>
>
http://members.microsoft.com/partner/salesmarketing/partnermarket/actionpack
> /actionpackus.aspx
>
> Watch for wrap.
>
> I had been looking at this package for awhile in order to bring my office
> into the modern age (as defined by MS).
>
> So there you have it.  A lot of stuff for a medium price (one year license
> though!).  But it gives you 10 licenses.  I can put XP on all my desktops,
> Server 2003 on both my new "server" machines, look at and possibly use
> Office 2003 on my machines etc.  I have a home office with 2 "server
class"
> machines and 2 desktop machines, plus one modern laptop and an old POS
> laptop that I am currently re-installing Win2K Pro on.  Being able to get
a
> consistent platform on everything might be nice.
>
> I had hoped to see 64bit OS and SQL Server included - they apparently do
> exists, but not in here.  8-(
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lonnie Johnson
> Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 2:48 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack
>
>
> What's the main advantage to having the Action pack?
>
> "John W. Colby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
> I just got my MS Action pack, very nice. So much to know, so little time.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
>
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From d.dick at uws.edu.au  Wed Sep  8 00:57:21 2004
From: d.dick at uws.edu.au (Darren DICK)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 15:57:21 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Used to work - now it errors
Message-ID: <001a01c49568$b4b20700$4a619a89@DDICK>

Hello all
This used to work now I get Run Time Error 13 - Type Mismatch
Then the debugger yellows out the "Set rst" line

Any suggestions
Dao 3.6 is referenced 


Dim dbs As Database 
rst As Recordset
iBookingID As Integer

    Set dbs = CurrentDb
    iBookingID = [Forms]![frmBookings].[BookingID]
    
===> this line fails    Set rst = dbs.OpenRecordset("SELECT
[People].[PersonID] FROM People INNER JOIN BookingPeople ON
BookingPeople.PersonID = People.PersonID WHERE not isnull([EmailAddress])
and BookingID = " & iBookingID & ";", dbOpenDynaset)

Many thanks in advance

Have a great day

Darren




From d.dick at uws.edu.au  Wed Sep  8 01:29:35 2004
From: d.dick at uws.edu.au (Darren DICK)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 16:29:35 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Used to work - now it errors SOLVED
In-Reply-To: <001a01c49568$b4b20700$4a619a89@DDICK>
Message-ID: <001b01c4956d$35c28190$4a619a89@DDICK>

Moved DAO above ADO in the ref list now it works <sigh>
Now time to go and see what ADO stuff fails :-((

Thanks y'all

DD




-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darren DICK
Sent: Wednesday, 8 September 2004 3:57 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Used to work - now it errors


Hello all
This used to work now I get Run Time Error 13 - Type Mismatch Then the
debugger yellows out the "Set rst" line

Any suggestions
Dao 3.6 is referenced 


Dim dbs As Database 
rst As Recordset
iBookingID As Integer

    Set dbs = CurrentDb
    iBookingID = [Forms]![frmBookings].[BookingID]
    
===> this line fails    Set rst = dbs.OpenRecordset("SELECT
[People].[PersonID] FROM People INNER JOIN BookingPeople ON
BookingPeople.PersonID = People.PersonID WHERE not isnull([EmailAddress])
and BookingID = " & iBookingID & ";", dbOpenDynaset)

Many thanks in advance

Have a great day

Darren


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From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Sep  8 01:57:26 2004
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 08:57:26 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Used to work - now it errors
In-Reply-To: <001a01c49568$b4b20700$4a619a89@DDICK>
References: <001a01c49568$b4b20700$4a619a89@DDICK>
Message-ID: <48569739.20040908085726@cactus.dk>

Hi Darren

Specify what your intent is:

  Dim dbs As DAO.Database
  Dim rst As DAO.Recordset

Then the order of references doesn't matter.

/gustav

> This used to work now I get Run Time Error 13 - Type Mismatch
> Then the debugger yellows out the "Set rst" line

> Any suggestions
> Dao 3.6 is referenced 


> Dim dbs As Database 
> rst As Recordset



From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Wed Sep  8 02:15:04 2004
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 08:15:04 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Synchronizing Subform to Main form based on a date
In-Reply-To: <988E2AC88CCB54459286C4077DB662F50129DBA5@PDAWB03C.ad.sprint.com>
Message-ID: <000401c49573$909ef250$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25>

Just a thought Donald but if you placed a hidden calc'd control on the main
form with =YourDateCombo.Column(0) and put in that in your linking fields
would that help?

-- Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Mcgillivray, Donald [ITS]
> Sent: 08 September 2004 01:37
> To: AccessD
> Subject: [AccessD] Synchronizing Subform to Main form based on a date
> 
> 
> I'm pulling my hair out on this one.
> 
> I have a simple main form with two unbound combos, one for a 
> location and the other for a date.  The RowSource for the 
> location combo is a table that contains a record for each 
> location - pulling the PK in column 1 and Name in column 2 
> from that table.  Column 1 is bound and its width set to 0 so 
> that only the name displays.  The RowSource for the date 
> combo is a summary query pulling from a transaction table 
> with column 1 equal to Int(MyDateFromTrxTable) and column 2 
> equal to Format(MyDateFromTrxTable,"mm/dd/yyyy").  The query 
> is grouped on column 1 so that only one row for each date 
> appears.  Column 1 is bound and width set to 0 so that only 
> the formatted dates appear.
> 
> I'm having trouble getting a simple subform ([Location], Int([Date]),
> [ItemDetail]) to synchronize with the main form.  Using the 
> location and date values, the only way I've been able to get 
> it to work is to expose the first column of the date combo by 
> setting its width to something other than zero.  Of course, I 
> don't want the date serial number to be displayed on the form 
> - just the formatted date.  
> 
> Note that I have restricted both the bound column of the 
> combo and the corresponding value in the subform to just the 
> integer portion of the date.  Thus, I don't think this is a 
> matter of trying to match a "date-only" value against a 
> "date-with-time" value.
> 
> I work with subforms like this all the time, though I don't 
> think I've ever attempted to use a date value as part of the 
> link.  Is there some esoteric quality of date values that I 
> need to know about here?  Anybody have a clue about why this 
> won't work as advertised?
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Don McGillivray
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> 



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Sep  8 02:45:33 2004
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 03:45:33 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] AHOO!!!  Got my action pack
In-Reply-To: <057e01c49561$9d9328d0$6601a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <001b01c49577$d3bcd030$80b3fea9@ColbyM6805>

I don't know.  I know that the license "expires" after 1 year, but it
appears that these are just real copies of these various things.  I doubt
they quit working.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
Beach Access Software
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 1:07 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack


John:

Thanks for the rundown.  I've being trying to decide between that and the
partner program.  This one looks god.  Except what's that about a one-year
license.  Does your copy of Office 2003 crap out after one year?

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John W. Colby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 9:01 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack


> The action pack is a deal MS offers developers or companies that 
> develop
for
> or sell MS stuff.  For $300-400 they give you a ton of the latest 
> software and 10 licenses for all of it.  You are allowed to use it in 
> house, but
not
> sell it or install it on any client machines.  It includes:
>
> Office Professional 2003
> Office Publisher 2003
> Office Frontpage 2003
> Office Visio Professional 2003
> Office Project Professional 2003
> Business contact Manager for Outlook 2003
> Office OneNote 2003
> MapPoint 2004 Standard Edition
> Windows XP Professional
> Virtual PC 2004
> Office Infopath 2003
> Business Solutions CRM Professional
> Windows Server 2003 Standard Edition
> Windows Server 2003 Web Edition
> Exchange Server 2003 Enterprise Edition
> Office Project Server 2003
> Office Sharepoint Server 2003
> Office Live Communications Server 2003
> SQL Server 2000 Standard Edition (damn!)
> SQL Server 2000 Service Pack 3a
> SQL Server Reporting Services
> Mobile Information Server 2002
> Swindows Sharepoint Services Standard 2003
> Windows Small Business Server 2003 Premium Edition
>
> What is all this stuff you may ask.  No idea.
>
> The package appears to also come with some kind of training CD for 
> each
ofr
> these things.  No books, must all be on CD.  A neat little (BIG) 
> organizer size canvas folder to hold the disks.  Nothing to hold the 
> training materials (C'mon MS, another folder to hold that and the 
> sleeves hole punched would have made it so much more professional).
>
>
http://members.microsoft.com/partner/salesmarketing/partnermarket/actionpack
> /actionpackus.aspx
>
> Watch for wrap.
>
> I had been looking at this package for awhile in order to bring my 
> office into the modern age (as defined by MS).
>
> So there you have it.  A lot of stuff for a medium price (one year 
> license though!).  But it gives you 10 licenses.  I can put XP on all 
> my desktops, Server 2003 on both my new "server" machines, look at and 
> possibly use Office 2003 on my machines etc.  I have a home office 
> with 2 "server
class"
> machines and 2 desktop machines, plus one modern laptop and an old POS 
> laptop that I am currently re-installing Win2K Pro on.  Being able to 
> get
a
> consistent platform on everything might be nice.
>
> I had hoped to see 64bit OS and SQL Server included - they apparently 
> do exists, but not in here.  8-(
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lonnie 
> Johnson
> Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 2:48 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack
>
>
> What's the main advantage to having the Action pack?
>
> "John W. Colby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
> I just got my MS Action pack, very nice. So much to know, so little 
> time.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
>
> --
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Sep  8 03:11:52 2004
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 10:11:52 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Broadcast A Message
In-Reply-To: <000001c49501$8e6e8490$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25>
References: <000001c49501$8e6e8490$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25>
Message-ID: <235035100.20040908101152@cactus.dk>

Hi Andy

> Anyone got any info/code to broadcast a message to selected machines/users.
> We've an NT4 server and a Novell server so could use either technology.

Here are two links for Novell:

http://developer.novell.com/support/sample/tids/vbxdssnd/vbxdssnd.htm

http://www.clippings.vivitec.com.au/pp_article_id_8.html

/gustav



From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Sep  8 02:33:13 2004
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 09:33:13 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Syntax question about control references
In-Reply-To: <01c401c49544$c4441f10$6501a8c0@rock>
References: <01c401c49544$c4441f10$6501a8c0@rock>
Message-ID: <662716005.20040908093313@cactus.dk>

Hi Arthur

You could try playing with the GoToPage method:

  Forms("frmYourForm").GoToPage 1, x, 0

where x = ([count of columns to move] + Offset) * [Width of column in twips]

If you succeed somehow please let us know.

/gustav


> The way is datasheet form is currently laid out, the column
> corresponding to today is positioned at the extreme right of the visible
> part of the form. Column 1 of the form is invisible. Column 2 is frozen.
> I would LOVE to somehow scroll the columns so that the column selected
> using your code is the first visible scrollable column. Is horizontal
> scrolling somehow programmable?



From Paul.Rogers at SummitMedia.co.uk  Wed Sep  8 04:02:44 2004
From: Paul.Rogers at SummitMedia.co.uk (Paul Rodgers)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 10:02:44 +0100 
Subject: [AccessD] Cheering up CheckBoxes
Message-ID: <EAF3070ACB1AD81182280002A51EF731192202@s003.wolds.summitmedia.co.uk>

Can a Check Box be brightened up, made bigger, be given a background colour,
any colour, something to make it stand out on the form, please, Experts?
Cheers paul 

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From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Sep  8 04:17:39 2004
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 11:17:39 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Cheering up CheckBoxes
In-Reply-To: <EAF3070ACB1AD81182280002A51EF731192202@s003.wolds.summitmedia.co.uk>
References: <EAF3070ACB1AD81182280002A51EF731192202@s003.wolds.summitmedia.co.uk>
Message-ID: <128982095.20040908111739@cactus.dk>

Hi Paul

Not the checkbox itself but you could put it in front of a slightly
larger quadrate filled with a colour which you turn visible or not.

/gustav


> Can a Check Box be brightened up, made bigger, be given a background colour,
> any colour, something to make it stand out on the form, please, Experts?
> Cheers paul 



From Paul.Rogers at SummitMedia.co.uk  Wed Sep  8 04:30:15 2004
From: Paul.Rogers at SummitMedia.co.uk (Paul Rodgers)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 10:30:15 +0100 
Subject: [AccessD] Cheering up CheckBoxes
Message-ID: <EAF3070ACB1AD81182280002A51EF731192203@s003.wolds.summitmedia.co.uk>

Excellent, Gustav.Thanks, that's a great idea. Many thanks. Cheers paul 

-----Original Message-----
From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk]
Sent: 08 September 2004 10:18
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Cheering up CheckBoxes


Hi Paul

Not the checkbox itself but you could put it in front of a slightly
larger quadrate filled with a colour which you turn visible or not.

/gustav


> Can a Check Box be brightened up, made bigger, be given a background
colour,
> any colour, something to make it stand out on the form, please, Experts?
> Cheers paul 

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From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Sep  8 04:56:48 2004
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 11:56:48 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Synchronizing Subform to Main form based on a date
In-Reply-To: <988E2AC88CCB54459286C4077DB662F50129DBA5@PDAWB03C.ad.sprint.com>
References: <988E2AC88CCB54459286C4077DB662F50129DBA5@PDAWB03C.ad.sprint.com>
Message-ID: <15311331213.20040908115648@cactus.dk>

Hi Donald

Perhaps you need to convert the value from the combobox (which is a
string) to a long as the value for the master field.

[Location], Int([cboCombo2]), ...

/gustav


> I'm pulling my hair out on this one.

> I have a simple main form with two unbound combos, one for a location
> and the other for a date.  The RowSource for the location combo is a
> table that contains a record for each location - pulling the PK in
> column 1 and Name in column 2 from that table.  Column 1 is bound and
> its width set to 0 so that only the name displays.  The RowSource for
> the date combo is a summary query pulling from a transaction table with
> column 1 equal to Int(MyDateFromTrxTable) and column 2 equal to
> Format(MyDateFromTrxTable,"mm/dd/yyyy").  The query is grouped on column
> 1 so that only one row for each date appears.  Column 1 is bound and
> width set to 0 so that only the formatted dates appear.

> I'm having trouble getting a simple subform ([Location], Int([Date]),
> [ItemDetail]) to synchronize with the main form.  Using the location and
> date values, the only way I've been able to get it to work is to expose
> the first column of the date combo by setting its width to something
> other than zero.  Of course, I don't want the date serial number to be
> displayed on the form - just the formatted date.  

> Note that I have restricted both the bound column of the combo and the
> corresponding value in the subform to just the integer portion of the
> date.  Thus, I don't think this is a matter of trying to match a
> "date-only" value against a "date-with-time" value.

> I work with subforms like this all the time, though I don't think I've
> ever attempted to use a date value as part of the link.  Is there some
> esoteric quality of date values that I need to know about here?  Anybody
> have a clue about why this won't work as advertised?

> Thanks!

> Don McGillivray



From ebarro at afsweb.com  Wed Sep  8 08:21:00 2004
From: ebarro at afsweb.com (Eric Barro)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 06:21:00 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] AHOO!!!  Got my action pack
In-Reply-To: <001b01c49577$d3bcd030$80b3fea9@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <DPEGIFJOAFKLEDNNDGHCOEPFHBAA.ebarro@afsweb.com>

What it probably means it that you're going to stop getting update CDs from M$ for any of the products you have licenses for so if they come out with Office 2004 or SQL server 2005 you will have to purchase a separate license if you wanted to use it.

---
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Senior Systems Analyst
Advanced Field Services
(208) 772-7060
http://www.afsweb.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 12:46 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack


I don't know.  I know that the license "expires" after 1 year, but it
appears that these are just real copies of these various things.  I doubt
they quit working.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
Beach Access Software
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 1:07 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack


John:

Thanks for the rundown.  I've being trying to decide between that and the
partner program.  This one looks god.  Except what's that about a one-year
license.  Does your copy of Office 2003 crap out after one year?

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John W. Colby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 9:01 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack


> The action pack is a deal MS offers developers or companies that 
> develop
for
> or sell MS stuff.  For $300-400 they give you a ton of the latest 
> software and 10 licenses for all of it.  You are allowed to use it in 
> house, but
not
> sell it or install it on any client machines.  It includes:
>
> Office Professional 2003
> Office Publisher 2003
> Office Frontpage 2003
> Office Visio Professional 2003
> Office Project Professional 2003
> Business contact Manager for Outlook 2003
> Office OneNote 2003
> MapPoint 2004 Standard Edition
> Windows XP Professional
> Virtual PC 2004
> Office Infopath 2003
> Business Solutions CRM Professional
> Windows Server 2003 Standard Edition
> Windows Server 2003 Web Edition
> Exchange Server 2003 Enterprise Edition
> Office Project Server 2003
> Office Sharepoint Server 2003
> Office Live Communications Server 2003
> SQL Server 2000 Standard Edition (damn!)
> SQL Server 2000 Service Pack 3a
> SQL Server Reporting Services
> Mobile Information Server 2002
> Swindows Sharepoint Services Standard 2003
> Windows Small Business Server 2003 Premium Edition
>
> What is all this stuff you may ask.  No idea.
>
> The package appears to also come with some kind of training CD for 
> each
ofr
> these things.  No books, must all be on CD.  A neat little (BIG) 
> organizer size canvas folder to hold the disks.  Nothing to hold the 
> training materials (C'mon MS, another folder to hold that and the 
> sleeves hole punched would have made it so much more professional).
>
>
http://members.microsoft.com/partner/salesmarketing/partnermarket/actionpack
> /actionpackus.aspx
>
> Watch for wrap.
>
> I had been looking at this package for awhile in order to bring my 
> office into the modern age (as defined by MS).
>
> So there you have it.  A lot of stuff for a medium price (one year 
> license though!).  But it gives you 10 licenses.  I can put XP on all 
> my desktops, Server 2003 on both my new "server" machines, look at and 
> possibly use Office 2003 on my machines etc.  I have a home office 
> with 2 "server
class"
> machines and 2 desktop machines, plus one modern laptop and an old POS 
> laptop that I am currently re-installing Win2K Pro on.  Being able to 
> get
a
> consistent platform on everything might be nice.
>
> I had hoped to see 64bit OS and SQL Server included - they apparently 
> do exists, but not in here.  8-(
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lonnie 
> Johnson
> Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 2:48 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack
>
>
> What's the main advantage to having the Action pack?
>
> "John W. Colby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
> I just got my MS Action pack, very nice. So much to know, so little 
> time.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
>
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From kost36 at otenet.gr  Wed Sep  8 08:33:03 2004
From: kost36 at otenet.gr (Kostas Konstantinidis)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 16:33:03 +0300
Subject: [AccessD] Protecting a subform with password
References: <FJEJLIPOMCGJALMGLLLIIEGPCGAA.accessd@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <005601c495a8$6a74f270$0100a8c0@KOST36>

Jim DeMarco and Jim Lawrence,
thank's for your help

Be well
kostas

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim Lawrence (AccessD)" <accessd at shaw.ca>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 8:46 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Protecting a subform with password


> Hi Kostas:
>
> It is not possible to hide the line of code in an uncompiled DB, (MDB). 
> You
> can compile the DB is compiled into a MDE file and therefore blocking
> viewing access to all the source.
>
> HTH
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Kostas
> Konstantinidis
> Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 6:25 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Protecting a subform with password
>
>
> Hi group,
> thank's all for your response to my question
> I tried the follown (which seems to work) and was wondering if it could be
> possible and how to hide the line "Level0Pass = "123""
> making it unreadable e.g. instead of 123 to appear ***
> thank you
> kostas
>
> Private Sub Command0_Click()
> Dim Green As Boolean, Level0Pass As String, stDocName As String,
> stLinkCriteria As String
> Level0Pass = "123"
> Green = False
> If Pass = Level0Pass Then
>    Green = True
> End If
> If Green Then
>   stDocName = "MT_entoli"
>   stLinkCriteria = "[AM]=" & [Forms]![MT_basic_char]![AM]
>   DoCmd.OpenForm stDocName, , , stLinkCriteria
>   DoCmd.Close acForm, "P_Form"
> Else
>   DoCmd.Close
> End If
> End Sub
>
>
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From Jeff at OUTBAKTech.com  Wed Sep  8 09:49:56 2004
From: Jeff at OUTBAKTech.com (Jeff Barrows)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 09:49:56 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] AHOO!!!  Got my action pack
Message-ID: <8DA8776D2F418E46A2A464AC6CE630500326B2@outbaksrv1.outbaktech.com>

Technically, it means is that if you decide NOT to renew your Action Pack Subscription, you agree to remove all of the Action Pack software from any / all of your machines after one year.  But for $199 a year (after the first year), it only makes sense to renew it.
 
 

	-----Original Message----- 
	From: Eric Barro [mailto:ebarro at afsweb.com] 
	Sent: Wed 9/8/2004 8:21 AM 
	To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
	Cc: 
	Subject: RE: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack
	
	

	What it probably means it that you're going to stop getting update CDs from M$ for any of the products you have licenses for so if they come out with Office 2004 or SQL server 2005 you will have to purchase a separate license if you wanted to use it.
	
	---
	Eric Barro
	Senior Systems Analyst
	Advanced Field Services
	(208) 772-7060
	http://www.afsweb.com
	
	-----Original Message-----
	From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
	[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John W. Colby
	Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 12:46 AM
	To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
	Subject: RE: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack
	
	
	I don't know.  I know that the license "expires" after 1 year, but it
	appears that these are just real copies of these various things.  I doubt
	they quit working.
	
	John W. Colby
	www.ColbyConsulting.com
	
	-----Original Message-----
	From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
	[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
	Beach Access Software
	Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 1:07 AM
	To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
	Subject: Re: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack
	
	
	John:
	
	Thanks for the rundown.  I've being trying to decide between that and the
	partner program.  This one looks god.  Except what's that about a one-year
	license.  Does your copy of Office 2003 crap out after one year?
	
	Rocky
	
	----- Original Message -----
	From: "John W. Colby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
	To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
	<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
	Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 9:01 PM
	Subject: RE: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack
	
	
	> The action pack is a deal MS offers developers or companies that
	> develop
	for
	> or sell MS stuff.  For $300-400 they give you a ton of the latest
	> software and 10 licenses for all of it.  You are allowed to use it in
	> house, but
	not
	> sell it or install it on any client machines.  It includes:
	>
	> Office Professional 2003
	> Office Publisher 2003
	> Office Frontpage 2003
	> Office Visio Professional 2003
	> Office Project Professional 2003
	> Business contact Manager for Outlook 2003
	> Office OneNote 2003
	> MapPoint 2004 Standard Edition
	> Windows XP Professional
	> Virtual PC 2004
	> Office Infopath 2003
	> Business Solutions CRM Professional
	> Windows Server 2003 Standard Edition
	> Windows Server 2003 Web Edition
	> Exchange Server 2003 Enterprise Edition
	> Office Project Server 2003
	> Office Sharepoint Server 2003
	> Office Live Communications Server 2003
	> SQL Server 2000 Standard Edition (damn!)
	> SQL Server 2000 Service Pack 3a
	> SQL Server Reporting Services
	> Mobile Information Server 2002
	> Swindows Sharepoint Services Standard 2003
	> Windows Small Business Server 2003 Premium Edition
	>
	> What is all this stuff you may ask.  No idea.
	>
	> The package appears to also come with some kind of training CD for
	> each
	ofr
	> these things.  No books, must all be on CD.  A neat little (BIG)
	> organizer size canvas folder to hold the disks.  Nothing to hold the
	> training materials (C'mon MS, another folder to hold that and the
	> sleeves hole punched would have made it so much more professional).
	>
	>
	http://members.microsoft.com/partner/salesmarketing/partnermarket/actionpack
	> /actionpackus.aspx
	>
	> Watch for wrap.
	>
	> I had been looking at this package for awhile in order to bring my
	> office into the modern age (as defined by MS).
	>
	> So there you have it.  A lot of stuff for a medium price (one year
	> license though!).  But it gives you 10 licenses.  I can put XP on all
	> my desktops, Server 2003 on both my new "server" machines, look at and
	> possibly use Office 2003 on my machines etc.  I have a home office
	> with 2 "server
	class"
	> machines and 2 desktop machines, plus one modern laptop and an old POS
	> laptop that I am currently re-installing Win2K Pro on.  Being able to
	> get
	a
	> consistent platform on everything might be nice.
	>
	> I had hoped to see 64bit OS and SQL Server included - they apparently
	> do exists, but not in here.  8-(
	>
	> John W. Colby
	> www.ColbyConsulting.com
	>
	> -----Original Message-----
	> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
	> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lonnie
	> Johnson
	> Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 2:48 PM
	> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
	> Subject: Re: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack
	>
	>
	> What's the main advantage to having the Action pack?
	>
	> "John W. Colby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
	> I just got my MS Action pack, very nice. So much to know, so little
	> time.
	>
	> John W. Colby
	> www.ColbyConsulting.com
	>
	>
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From jimdettman at earthlink.net  Wed Sep  8 10:01:28 2004
From: jimdettman at earthlink.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 11:01:28 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] AHOO!!!  Got my action pack
In-Reply-To: <000801c49507$a0be1ce0$80b3fea9@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <NEBBKADGELICHEJJCKGKMEJMKCAA.jimdettman@earthlink.net>

John,

  I've had an action pack subscription for 4 years now and although it has a
lot of nice stuff, I find it hard to really put any of it to use.  Most of
it is simply overkill for the type of clients I have.

  It really is geared more towards larger Microsoft Partners that would have
one or more full time salesmen pushing products.

Jim Dettman
President,
Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
(315) 699-3443
jimdettman at earthlink.net

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 2:22 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack


I just got my MS Action pack, very nice.  So much to know, so little time.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Wed Sep  8 10:22:14 2004
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 08:22:14 -0700
Subject: Fw: [AccessD] Parts and assemblies design
Message-ID: <013701c495b7$9f0bc900$6601a8c0@HAL9002>

List:

Sorry for the post.  It should be off-line but got bounced.

Philippe:

I responded to your message but the address it was sent to when I hit reply:

Philippe.Pons19_nospam at wanadoo.fr>

had permanent fatal errors.

Below is my reply to you.

Regards,

Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
http://www.e-z-mrp.com



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
To: "Philippe Pons" <Philippe.Pons19_nospam at wanadoo.fr>
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 8:01 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Parts and assemblies design


> Philippe:
>
> In the old DOS days I had a French version.  And a Dutch version as well,
> both through a distributor in Holland.  Right now the only foreign
language
> system is available in is Chinese which we should be releasing next month.
> But I am working on Spanish.
>
> I have set the system up to make it easy to add languages.  There are
tables
> which hold all of the control captions and messages so that adding a
column
> for an additional language is no problem.  I just need to get someone to
> fill in the blanks.
>
> Interested? :)
>
> Regards,
>
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
> http://www.e-z-mrp.com
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Philippe Pons" <Philippe.Pons19_nospam at wanadoo.fr>
> To: <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 6:23 AM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Parts and assemblies design
>
>
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > Has it benn translated into French?
> > Do you sell it in France?
> >
> > Philippe
> >
> > Should you send an answer, please remove _nospam from my @email
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Cc: "Tom Hintz" <SeaHold at aol.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 9:17 PM
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Parts and assemblies design
> >
> >
> > > Eric:
> > >
> > > Shameless plug for my manufacturing system.  You can check it out at
> > > www.ezmrp.com
> > >
> > > It will do the structured bills of material that they need.
> > >
> > > I just added a Capacity Requirements Planning module to the system
which
> > > does not yet show on the web site however.  In the CRP module you
define
> > > work centers and then add routings for each assembly - queue time, set
> up
> > > time and unit run time for each operation.  Although it's not part of
> > their
> > > immediate requirement, as a bonus, the CRP Calculate program will
> > calculate
> > > how much of each work center's capacity is being used every day.
> > >
> > > Once they have that database built, since EZMRP is written in Access,
> and
> > > since the back end is wide open, you could easily write a report in
> their
> > > custom format, although E-Z-MRP does have a traveler report which
shows
> > the
> > > start date for each operation based on a specific work order, that
work
> > > order's due date, and the assembly's lead time and, actually, the
report
> > you
> > > model there looks mostly like an indented bill of materials, which, of
> > > course, E-Z-MRP does.
> > >
> > > Starting with E-Z-MRP's framework might save you a LOT of development
> > time.
> > > (BTW, the audit trail that it produces on each inventory transaction,
to
> > > which you can attach a serial or lot number, also goes along way
towards
> > > satisfying FDA requirements.)
> > >
> > > If you're interested after checking the web site, please contact me
> > off-line
> > > at bchacc at san.rr.com and I'll give you a system to evaluate.  Or call
if
> > you
> > > want to talk about it - 858-259-4334.
> > >
> > > HTH
> > >
> > > Rocky Smolin
> > > Beach Access Software
> > > http://www.e-z-mrp.com
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > From: "Eric Goetz" <EricGoetz at egisystems.com>
> > > To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 11:32 AM
> > > Subject: [AccessD] Parts and assemblies design
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I am working on a database to replace some paper forms. I get the
> > > feeling I'm starting more "from scratch" than I need to. So I thought
> > > I'd ask if anyone knows of any examples of solutions for the following
> > > problem.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > A medical device manufacturer needs to track all the actions performed
> > > on each device as it moves through manufacturing to meet FDA
> > > requirements. The forms are called "travelers." The first traveler
gets
> > > created when the device is built. A new traveler gets created every
time
> > > the device returns from the field (for upgrade or repair.)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > The forms show each part with its revision, part number, lot number,
or
> > > other attribute. There are different attributes for different types of
> > > parts. Such as, software has a checksum, and a revision number while a
> > > relay has does not. Instead, a relay has a lot number.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Here are a couple of my challenges:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I am modeling parts and assemblies, where an assembly is also a part.
As
> > > the devices come back from the field, they may get upgraded with
> > > different parts and assemblies so the hierarchy is flexible. There
seems
> > > to be a many to many relationship between parts and assemblies. So, I
> > > made a basic parts table:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Part { ID, PartNumber, Name } where ID is the primary key
> > >
> > > Sample data:
> > >
> > > { 1, 26.026, Enclosure }
> > >
> > > { 57, 26.002, PCA }
> > >
> > > { 113, 26.100, ECA }
> > >
> > > { 114, 26.098, Xfrm }
> > >
> > > { 115, 26.022, Xfrm }
> > >
> > > { 116, 26.021, Xfrm }
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > And I made another table to hold the many to many assignments between
> > > parts and assemblies.
> > >
> > > AssyPartAssignment { ID, AssyID, PartID, Name } where ID is the
primary
> > > key and AssyID and PartID are foreign keys for the ID in the Part
table.
> > >
> > > Sample data:
> > >
> > > { 1, 113, 57, Controller PCA }
> > >
> > > { 2, 113, 1, ECA Enclosure }
> > >
> > > { 3, 57, 114, Xfrm T1 }
> > >
> > > { 4, 57, 115, Xfrm T2 }
> > >
> > > { 5, 57, 116, Xfrm T3 }
> > >
> > > { 6, 57, 115, Xfrm T4 }
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > The report needs to show this hierarchy.
> > >
> > > 26.100 - ECA
> > >
> > >   26.026 - ECA Enclosure
> > >
> > >     26.002 - Controller PCA
> > >
> > >       26.098 - Xfrm T1
> > >
> > >       26.022 - Xfrm T2
> > >
> > >       26.021 - Xfrm T3
> > >
> > >       26.022 - Xfrm T4
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > The same transformer, 26.022 shows up twice in the PCA assembly.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I'll build more tables for the different attributes of parts, such as,
> > > software with its checksum, and parts that have only lots, and parts
> > > that have revisions and lots. I'll use the ID key from the Part table
as
> > > the primary key for the subtype tables based on the entity
relationship
> > > chapter from the CJDate book.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I need to make the forms to enter these variable hierarchies.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Got any suggestions that might put a little more holiday in my Labor
> > > Day?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Eric
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> >
>



From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Wed Sep  8 10:24:58 2004
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (DWUTKA at marlow.com)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 10:24:58 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] Broadcast A Message
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8031BB34F@main2.marlow.com>

What are the clients running?

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 12:39 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Broadcast A Message


Hi folks

Anyone got any info/code to broadcast a message to selected machines/users.
We've an NT4 server and a Novell server so could use either technology.

-- Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed Sep  8 10:37:15 2004
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 08:37:15 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] AHOO!!!  Got my action pack
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312A35@infoserver01.infostat.local>

They don't quit working but you no longer have a license for them.  So
if you have to reactivate a product .... :-{

Charlotte


-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 12:46 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack


I don't know.  I know that the license "expires" after 1 year, but it
appears that these are just real copies of these various things.  I
doubt they quit working.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
- Beach Access Software
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 1:07 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack


John:

Thanks for the rundown.  I've being trying to decide between that and
the partner program.  This one looks god.  Except what's that about a
one-year license.  Does your copy of Office 2003 crap out after one
year?

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John W. Colby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 9:01 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack


> The action pack is a deal MS offers developers or companies that
> develop
for
> or sell MS stuff.  For $300-400 they give you a ton of the latest
> software and 10 licenses for all of it.  You are allowed to use it in 
> house, but
not
> sell it or install it on any client machines.  It includes:
>
> Office Professional 2003
> Office Publisher 2003
> Office Frontpage 2003
> Office Visio Professional 2003
> Office Project Professional 2003
> Business contact Manager for Outlook 2003
> Office OneNote 2003
> MapPoint 2004 Standard Edition
> Windows XP Professional
> Virtual PC 2004
> Office Infopath 2003
> Business Solutions CRM Professional
> Windows Server 2003 Standard Edition
> Windows Server 2003 Web Edition
> Exchange Server 2003 Enterprise Edition
> Office Project Server 2003
> Office Sharepoint Server 2003
> Office Live Communications Server 2003
> SQL Server 2000 Standard Edition (damn!)
> SQL Server 2000 Service Pack 3a
> SQL Server Reporting Services
> Mobile Information Server 2002
> Swindows Sharepoint Services Standard 2003
> Windows Small Business Server 2003 Premium Edition
>
> What is all this stuff you may ask.  No idea.
>
> The package appears to also come with some kind of training CD for
> each
ofr
> these things.  No books, must all be on CD.  A neat little (BIG)
> organizer size canvas folder to hold the disks.  Nothing to hold the 
> training materials (C'mon MS, another folder to hold that and the 
> sleeves hole punched would have made it so much more professional).
>
>
http://members.microsoft.com/partner/salesmarketing/partnermarket/action
pack
> /actionpackus.aspx
>
> Watch for wrap.
>
> I had been looking at this package for awhile in order to bring my
> office into the modern age (as defined by MS).
>
> So there you have it.  A lot of stuff for a medium price (one year
> license though!).  But it gives you 10 licenses.  I can put XP on all 
> my desktops, Server 2003 on both my new "server" machines, look at and

> possibly use Office 2003 on my machines etc.  I have a home office 
> with 2 "server
class"
> machines and 2 desktop machines, plus one modern laptop and an old POS
> laptop that I am currently re-installing Win2K Pro on.  Being able to 
> get
a
> consistent platform on everything might be nice.
>
> I had hoped to see 64bit OS and SQL Server included - they apparently
> do exists, but not in here.  8-(
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lonnie
> Johnson
> Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 2:48 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack
>
>
> What's the main advantage to having the Action pack?
>
> "John W. Colby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
> I just got my MS Action pack, very nice. So much to know, so little
> time.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
>
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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Wed Sep  8 10:23:56 2004
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 08:23:56 -0700
Subject: Fw: [AccessD] Parts and assemblies design
Message-ID: <014301c495b7$dbbd8140$6601a8c0@HAL9002>

Oops.  Just saw the nospam thing.  How does that work? (and does it work
well?)

Rocky



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
To: "Philippe Pons" <Philippe.Pons19_nospam at wanadoo.fr>
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 8:01 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Parts and assemblies design


> Philippe:
>
> In the old DOS days I had a French version.  And a Dutch version as well,
> both through a distributor in Holland.  Right now the only foreign
language
> system is available in is Chinese which we should be releasing next month.
> But I am working on Spanish.
>
> I have set the system up to make it easy to add languages.  There are
tables
> which hold all of the control captions and messages so that adding a
column
> for an additional language is no problem.  I just need to get someone to
> fill in the blanks.
>
> Interested? :)
>
> Regards,
>
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
> http://www.e-z-mrp.com
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Philippe Pons" <Philippe.Pons19_nospam at wanadoo.fr>
> To: <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 6:23 AM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Parts and assemblies design
>
>
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > Has it benn translated into French?
> > Do you sell it in France?
> >
> > Philippe
> >
> > Should you send an answer, please remove _nospam from my @email
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Cc: "Tom Hintz" <SeaHold at aol.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 9:17 PM
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Parts and assemblies design
> >
> >
> > > Eric:
> > >
> > > Shameless plug for my manufacturing system.  You can check it out at
> > > www.ezmrp.com
> > >
> > > It will do the structured bills of material that they need.
> > >
> > > I just added a Capacity Requirements Planning module to the system
which
> > > does not yet show on the web site however.  In the CRP module you
define
> > > work centers and then add routings for each assembly - queue time, set
> up
> > > time and unit run time for each operation.  Although it's not part of
> > their
> > > immediate requirement, as a bonus, the CRP Calculate program will
> > calculate
> > > how much of each work center's capacity is being used every day.
> > >
> > > Once they have that database built, since EZMRP is written in Access,
> and
> > > since the back end is wide open, you could easily write a report in
> their
> > > custom format, although E-Z-MRP does have a traveler report which
shows
> > the
> > > start date for each operation based on a specific work order, that
work
> > > order's due date, and the assembly's lead time and, actually, the
report
> > you
> > > model there looks mostly like an indented bill of materials, which, of
> > > course, E-Z-MRP does.
> > >
> > > Starting with E-Z-MRP's framework might save you a LOT of development
> > time.
> > > (BTW, the audit trail that it produces on each inventory transaction,
to
> > > which you can attach a serial or lot number, also goes along way
towards
> > > satisfying FDA requirements.)
> > >
> > > If you're interested after checking the web site, please contact me
> > off-line
> > > at bchacc at san.rr.com and I'll give you a system to evaluate.  Or call
if
> > you
> > > want to talk about it - 858-259-4334.
> > >
> > > HTH
> > >
> > > Rocky Smolin
> > > Beach Access Software
> > > http://www.e-z-mrp.com
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > From: "Eric Goetz" <EricGoetz at egisystems.com>
> > > To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 11:32 AM
> > > Subject: [AccessD] Parts and assemblies design
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I am working on a database to replace some paper forms. I get the
> > > feeling I'm starting more "from scratch" than I need to. So I thought
> > > I'd ask if anyone knows of any examples of solutions for the following
> > > problem.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > A medical device manufacturer needs to track all the actions performed
> > > on each device as it moves through manufacturing to meet FDA
> > > requirements. The forms are called "travelers." The first traveler
gets
> > > created when the device is built. A new traveler gets created every
time
> > > the device returns from the field (for upgrade or repair.)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > The forms show each part with its revision, part number, lot number,
or
> > > other attribute. There are different attributes for different types of
> > > parts. Such as, software has a checksum, and a revision number while a
> > > relay has does not. Instead, a relay has a lot number.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Here are a couple of my challenges:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I am modeling parts and assemblies, where an assembly is also a part.
As
> > > the devices come back from the field, they may get upgraded with
> > > different parts and assemblies so the hierarchy is flexible. There
seems
> > > to be a many to many relationship between parts and assemblies. So, I
> > > made a basic parts table:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Part { ID, PartNumber, Name } where ID is the primary key
> > >
> > > Sample data:
> > >
> > > { 1, 26.026, Enclosure }
> > >
> > > { 57, 26.002, PCA }
> > >
> > > { 113, 26.100, ECA }
> > >
> > > { 114, 26.098, Xfrm }
> > >
> > > { 115, 26.022, Xfrm }
> > >
> > > { 116, 26.021, Xfrm }
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > And I made another table to hold the many to many assignments between
> > > parts and assemblies.
> > >
> > > AssyPartAssignment { ID, AssyID, PartID, Name } where ID is the
primary
> > > key and AssyID and PartID are foreign keys for the ID in the Part
table.
> > >
> > > Sample data:
> > >
> > > { 1, 113, 57, Controller PCA }
> > >
> > > { 2, 113, 1, ECA Enclosure }
> > >
> > > { 3, 57, 114, Xfrm T1 }
> > >
> > > { 4, 57, 115, Xfrm T2 }
> > >
> > > { 5, 57, 116, Xfrm T3 }
> > >
> > > { 6, 57, 115, Xfrm T4 }
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > The report needs to show this hierarchy.
> > >
> > > 26.100 - ECA
> > >
> > >   26.026 - ECA Enclosure
> > >
> > >     26.002 - Controller PCA
> > >
> > >       26.098 - Xfrm T1
> > >
> > >       26.022 - Xfrm T2
> > >
> > >       26.021 - Xfrm T3
> > >
> > >       26.022 - Xfrm T4
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > The same transformer, 26.022 shows up twice in the PCA assembly.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I'll build more tables for the different attributes of parts, such as,
> > > software with its checksum, and parts that have only lots, and parts
> > > that have revisions and lots. I'll use the ID key from the Part table
as
> > > the primary key for the subtype tables based on the entity
relationship
> > > chapter from the CJDate book.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I need to make the forms to enter these variable hierarchies.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Got any suggestions that might put a little more holiday in my Labor
> > > Day?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Eric
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> >
>



From artful at rogers.com  Wed Sep  8 11:31:55 2004
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 12:31:55 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Syntax question about control references
In-Reply-To: <008501c494eb$27dc4930$6401a8c0@default>
Message-ID: <009801c495c1$5ac58f60$6501a8c0@rock>

Hi. No it is not set to continuous forms. (Frankly, except for very
limited situations, I HATE continuous forms, but that's another story.)
It's set for datasheet view. It's easy enough to set the focus to the
desired control, but that's only half what I need. I need to scroll the
form such that the control with focus is in the first unfrozen position.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Michael R
Mattys
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 10:59 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Syntax question about control references



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Arthur Fuller" 


> My form has controls whose names derive from the EoM() of a given 
> date. That is, the end of a month. The control's name will be 
> something such as "12/31/2004", etc. I need to set the focus to the 
> column corresponding to today's date. For the date on which I am 
> writing this message, the correct column is named "9/30/2004".
...
> The EoM() function (which I wrote) returns a date. I need to take this

> value and turn it into a reference to a column, such that I can write:
> 
> Me.columnName.SetFocus

Arthur,

It looks like you mean to say that you have
a subform set to "continuous forms." If that's
the case, you'd say 

Me.SubformName.Form.Controls("EOMDate").SetFocus

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Mattys MapLib for Microsoft MapPoint 
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From michael.mattys at adelphia.net  Wed Sep  8 13:06:48 2004
From: michael.mattys at adelphia.net (Michael R Mattys)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 14:06:48 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Syntax question about control references
References: <009801c495c1$5ac58f60$6501a8c0@rock>
Message-ID: <00d801c495ce$a0209cf0$6401a8c0@default>

Arthur,

You can actually move the column to the left by using
DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdFreezeColumn.

If you have other columns that you'd like to the left
of the column with the correct date, you'll have to create
an array of controls in which you'd
SetFocus
DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdFreezeColumn
til they were in the order that you want.

(Otherwise, there are Scroll APIs that you can get
from one of Stephen Lebans creations www.lebans.com)
----

Michael R. Mattys
Mattys MapLib for Microsoft MapPoint
http://www.mattysconsulting.com



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Arthur Fuller" <artful at rogers.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 12:31 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Syntax question about control references


> Hi. No it is not set to continuous forms. (Frankly, except for very
> limited situations, I HATE continuous forms, but that's another story.)
> It's set for datasheet view. It's easy enough to set the focus to the
> desired control, but that's only half what I need. I need to scroll the
> form such that the control with focus is in the first unfrozen position.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Michael R
> Mattys
> Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 10:59 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Syntax question about control references
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Arthur Fuller"
>
>
> > My form has controls whose names derive from the EoM() of a given
> > date. That is, the end of a month. The control's name will be
> > something such as "12/31/2004", etc. I need to set the focus to the
> > column corresponding to today's date. For the date on which I am
> > writing this message, the correct column is named "9/30/2004".
> ...
> > The EoM() function (which I wrote) returns a date. I need to take this
>
> > value and turn it into a reference to a column, such that I can write:
> >
> > Me.columnName.SetFocus
>
> Arthur,
>
> It looks like you mean to say that you have
> a subform set to "continuous forms." If that's
> the case, you'd say
>
> Me.SubformName.Form.Controls("EOMDate").SetFocus
>
> ----
>
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> Mattys MapLib for Microsoft MapPoint
> http://www.mattysconsulting.com
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From awithing at twcny.rr.com  Wed Sep  8 13:10:44 2004
From: awithing at twcny.rr.com (augusta)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 14:10:44 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Shrinking fields in a report
In-Reply-To: <009801c495c1$5ac58f60$6501a8c0@rock>
Message-ID: <200409081810.i88IAlv3020534@ms-smtp-03.nyroc.rr.com>

I have a report that contains basic info - Memname, business name, friends
name, address, and total sum contributed.

In the report I have on the left hand side name, business, friends name. The
middle (ideally on the same line) address, and then alittle over (once again
on the same line) is the Total Sum.

I have set all the fields to shrink, but when there is only a business and
friend name to the record, it does not shrink all the way. But when there is
a Memname and friend name, it does. This is a mystery. Any clues? IS there a
limit to the number of fields that can shrink?

Thanks 

Augusta




From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Sep  8 13:48:19 2004
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 20:48:19 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Determine current page number of report in preview
In-Reply-To: <002301c49418$f3b248d0$d01865cb@winxp>
References: <225449706.20040902101059@cactus.dk>
	<002301c49418$f3b248d0$d01865cb@winxp>
Message-ID: <8143222470.20040908204819@cactus.dk>

Hi A.D.  (warning: long post)

Thanks for the hints and the demo.

It is certainly possible to pick the page number by SendKeys and paste
it into something else like a textbox.

However, the link to Stephen Lebans' site contained the gold nuggets
to achieve this via some API calls. It seems to work even when the
report is minimized (and when in design view it doesn't fail).

At the end, find the code for a complete module including the function

  SetCurrentReportPage()
  
which will both set and get the page number of the current page when a
report is displayed in preview. Also, two demo functions are included.

/gustav


> Gustav,

>     It is observed that events generated by a report opened in
> preview mode, get exhausted in the first forward pass through its
> pages.  

>     As a result, in case of any subsequent navigation through the
> pages already covered, there is no more firing of any event at all.
> Values pertaining to Page and CurrentRecord properties of the report
> remain stuck at the highest value touched (even if the page now
> being viewed is a lower one in the sequence).  

>     In view of the above, any attempt to obtain the current page
> number (in subsequent passes) from code within the report's module,
> gets vitiated on account of non-availability of any event that could
> activate such code. 

>     If your situation permits use of code attached to a form, a
> solution could be worked out, adopting either of the following
> approaches -

>     (a) Combination of SendKeys method along with API calls. It is
> based upon the feature that pressing F5 key in the report preview
> window selects the contents of page counter window at bottom left.

>     (b) Avoiding use of SendKeys by using additional API calls.

>     (In case of (a), the code involved is relatively simple, while
> (b) might need very bulky & tedious code) 

>     I can send you a sample db demonstrating a solution of type (a)
> above. Your eMail address to be used for this purpose, may please be
> advised.  

>     If you are keen to evolve a solution of type (b) above, you
> could get some working ideas from the function  fTurnPage()  at
> Stephan Leban's site.  

> Regards,
> A.D.Tejpal
> --------------

>   ----- Original Message ----- 

>   How do you catch the current page in preview?

>   Access caches pages while you are browsing forward.
>   Fine, but if the user moves (browses) backwards, the Page property stays on the highest number even though the preview displays the correct lower page number.

>   I guess the only chance would be to catch the current page number from the status line of the preview window but I don't know if that is possible.

This is the complete module for Access 97.
Should work for Access 2000+ as well but is not tested.

<code>

Option Compare Database
Option Explicit

' Original code by Stephen Lebans: http://www.lebans.com
' Visit: http://www.lebans.com/Report.htm
'
' 2004-09-08:
'   Modified by Gustav Brock, Cactus Data ApS, CPH.
'   Added functionality for retrieving the current page number.
'   Added simple demo.

' IMPORTANT: Call ResetReportHandles when opening the report!
' Copy this line and paste it into Report_Open:
'
'   Call ResetReportHandles
'
' ---

  Private Type RECTL
     Left   As Long
     Top    As Long
     Right  As Long
     Bottom As Long
  End Type
  
  Private Declare Function FindWindowEx Lib "user32" Alias "FindWindowExA" ( _
    ByVal hWnd1 As Long, _
    ByVal hWnd2 As Long, _
    ByVal lpsz1 As String, _
    ByVal lpsz2 As String) _
    As Long
  
  Private Declare Function SetActiveWindow Lib "user32" ( _
    ByVal hWnd As Long) _
    As Long
  
  Private Declare Function GetWindow Lib "user32" ( _
    ByVal hWnd As Long, _
    ByVal wCmd As Long) _
    As Long
  
  Private Declare Function GetWindowRect Lib "user32" ( _
    ByVal hWnd As Long, _
    ByRef lpRect As RECTL) _
    As Long
  
  Private Declare Function GetWindowText Lib "user32" Alias "GetWindowTextA" ( _
    ByVal hWnd As Long, _
    ByVal lpString As String, _
    ByVal cch As Long) _
    As Long
  
  Private Declare Function GetWindowTextLength Lib "user32" Alias "GetWindowTextLengthA" ( _
    ByVal hWnd As Long) _
    As Long
  
  Private Declare Function SetWindowText Lib "user32" Alias "SetWindowTextA" ( _
    ByVal hWnd As Long, _
    ByVal lpString As String) _
    As Long
    
  Private Declare Function PostMessage Lib "user32" Alias "PostMessageA" ( _
    ByVal hWnd As Long, _
    ByVal wMsg As Long, _
    ByVal wParam As Long, _
    ByVal lParam As Long) _
    As Long
   
  Private Declare Function SendMessage Lib "user32" Alias "SendMessageA" ( _
    ByVal hWnd As Long, _
    ByVal wMsg As Long, _
    ByVal wParam As Long, _
    ByRef lParam As Any) _
    As Long
    
  Private Declare Function MapVirtualKey Lib "user32" Alias "MapVirtualKeyA" ( _
    ByVal wCode As Long, _
    ByVal wMapType As Long) _
    As Long
    
  ' Window messages.
  Private Const WM_ACTIVATE = &H6
  Private Const WM_SETFOCUS = &H7
  Private Const WM_KILLFOCUS = &H8
  Private Const WM_ENABLE = &HA
  Private Const WM_SETREDRAW = &HB
  Private Const WM_SETTEXT = &HC
  Private Const WM_GETTEXT = &HD
  Private Const WM_GETTEXTLENGTH = &HE
  Private Const WM_PAINT = &HF
  Private Const WM_CLOSE = &H10
  Private Const WM_QUERYENDSESSION = &H11
  Private Const WM_QUIT = &H12
  Private Const WM_QUERYOPEN = &H13
  Private Const WM_ERASEBKGND = &H14
  Private Const WM_SYSCOLORCHANGE = &H15
  Private Const WM_ENDSESSION = &H16
  Private Const WM_SHOWWINDOW = &H18
  Private Const WM_WININICHANGE = &H1A
  Private Const WM_DEVMODECHANGE = &H1B
  Private Const WM_ACTIVATEAPP = &H1C
  Private Const WM_FONTCHANGE = &H1D
  Private Const WM_TIMECHANGE = &H1E
  Private Const WM_CANCELMODE = &H1F
  Private Const WM_SETCURSOR = &H20
  Private Const WM_MOUSEACTIVATE = &H21
  Private Const WM_CHILDACTIVATE = &H22
  Private Const WM_QUEUESYNC = &H23
  
  Private Const WM_KEYFIRST = &H100
  Private Const WM_KEYDOWN = &H100
  Private Const WM_KEYUP = &H101
  Private Const WM_CHAR = &H102
  Private Const WM_DEADCHAR = &H103
  Private Const WM_SYSKEYDOWN = &H104
  Private Const WM_SYSKEYUP = &H105
  Private Const WM_SYSCHAR = &H106
  Private Const WM_SYSDEADCHAR = &H107
  Private Const WM_KEYLAST = &H108
  Private Const WM_INITDIALOG = &H110
  Private Const WM_COMMAND = &H111
  Private Const WM_SYSCOMMAND = &H112
  Private Const WM_TIMER = &H113
  Private Const WM_HSCROLL = &H114
  Private Const WM_VSCROLL = &H115
  Private Const WM_INITMENU = &H116
  Private Const WM_INITMENUPOPUP = &H117
  Private Const WM_MENUSELECT = &H11F
  Private Const WM_MENUCHAR = &H120
  Private Const WM_ENTERIDLE = &H121
  
  Private Const WM_MOUSEFIRST = &H200
  Private Const WM_MOUSEMOVE = &H200
  Private Const WM_LBUTTONDOWN = &H201
  Private Const WM_LBUTTONUP = &H202
  Private Const WM_LBUTTONDBLCLK = &H203
  Private Const WM_RBUTTONDOWN = &H204
  Private Const WM_RBUTTONUP = &H205
  Private Const WM_RBUTTONDBLCLK = &H206
  Private Const WM_MBUTTONDOWN = &H207
  Private Const WM_MBUTTONUP = &H208
  Private Const WM_MBUTTONDBLCLK = &H209
  Private Const WM_MOUSELAST = &H209
    
  ' GetWindow() constants.
  Private Const GW_HWNDFIRST = 0
  Private Const GW_HWNDLAST = 1
  Private Const GW_HWNDNEXT = 2
  Private Const GW_HWNDPREV = 3
  Private Const GW_OWNER = 4
  Private Const GW_CHILD = 5
  Private Const GW_MAX = 5
  
  ' Other constants.
  Private Const HTCLIENT = 1
  
  ' Private variables.
  ' Can (and must) be reset externally by calling sub
  ' ResetReportHandles
  Private hWndChild  As Long
  Private hWndOSUI   As Long
  
Private Function MakeDWord( _
  ByVal loword As Integer, _
  ByVal hiword As Integer) _
  As Long

  MakeDWord = (hiword * &H10000) Or (loword And &HFFFF&)
  
End Function

Public Sub ResetReportHandles()

' Reset Window handles.
' NB: Call this sub when opening the report!
  
  hWndOSUI = 0
  hWndChild = 0

End Sub

Public Function GetTextFromWindow( _
  ByVal hWnd As Long) _
  As String

' Retrieve text from a window identified by its handle.

  Dim strWindow As String
  Dim lngReturn As Long
  
  ' Create a buffer.
  strWindow = String(GetWindowTextLength(hWnd) + 1, vbNullChar)
  ' Get the window's text.
  lngReturn = GetWindowText(hWnd, strWindow, Len(strWindow))
  strWindow = Left(strWindow, Len(strWindow) - 1)
  
  GetTextFromWindow = strWindow

End Function

Public Function SetCurrentReportPage( _
  ByVal strReport As String, _
  ByRef intPageNumber As Integer) _
  As Boolean

' This function sets or retrieves the current page number of
' the Report Print Preview window.
'
' If intPageNumber is > 0, the preview page is moved to this number
' or the last page of the report if this is smaller.
' In any case, the currently displayed page number is returned in
' intPageNumber.
' If success, the function returns True.

' **** APP NOTES by Stephen Lebans ****
' I did try the standard method to Find a Window by
' ClassName or Caption.
' Unfortunately the TextBox "OKttbx" that displays
' the Current Report Page number is part of
' a lightweight Control. It is drawn as required and
' appears as required and dissappears when it is not required.
' The only reliable method was this hack. It works by
' simulating a physical clicking in the Page number Window.

  On Error GoTo Err_SetCurrentReportPage
  
  Static lngWindowLocation  As Long
  
  ' Hold our OSUI Window dimensions.
  Dim RC                    As RECTL
  Dim intPosx               As Integer
  
  Dim lngTemp1              As Long
  Dim lngTemp2              As Long
  Dim lngReturn             As Long
  Dim lnghWnd               As Long
  Dim strPageNumber         As String
  Dim booSuccess            As Boolean
  
  lnghWnd = Access.Reports.Item(strReport).hWnd
  
  ' Ensure this window is the Active Window.
  ' Make sure the report is the currently selected object.
  lngReturn = SetActiveWindow(lnghWnd)
  
  ' If we have already determined the location of
  ' the Page Number Window then skip our probe.
  ' Else find the Page Navigation Window located at
  ' the bottom of the Report Print Preview window.
  If hWndChild = 0 Then
    hWndOSUI = FindWindowEx(lnghWnd, 0&, "OSUI", vbNullString)
    ' Get Window extents.
    lngReturn = GetWindowRect(hWndOSUI, RC)
    ' We need to go hunting for the Page Number Window.
    ' We know it is at the bottom of this Window.
    ' Let's check from Left to Right and along the
    ' middle of the height of the Window.
    ' Simulate Mouse Click with the Left button to activate the window.
    ' Stephen tried to do this the proper way but it was not reliable.
    ' This hack seems to work.
    ' Start 20 pixels in.
    intPosx = 20
    Do While intPosx < RC.Right
      lngTemp1 = MakeDWord(intPosx, (RC.Bottom - RC.Top) / 2)
      lngReturn = PostMessage(hWndOSUI, WM_LBUTTONDOWN, 1&, lngTemp1)
      lngReturn = PostMessage(hWndOSUI, WM_LBUTTONUP, 1&, lngTemp1)
      lngReturn = PostMessage(hWndOSUI, WM_LBUTTONDOWN, 1&, lngTemp1)
      lngReturn = PostMessage(hWndOSUI, WM_LBUTTONUP, 1&, lngTemp1)
      DoEvents
      hWndChild = GetWindow(hWndOSUI, GW_CHILD)
      If hWndChild <> 0 Then
        ' Store location for a next run of the function.
        lngWindowLocation = lngTemp1
        Exit Do
      End If
      ' Let's keep moving 4 more pixels to the right.
      intPosx = intPosx + 4
      DoEvents
    Loop
  End If
  
  If hWndChild = 0 Or lngWindowLocation = 0 Then
    ' Somehow we failed.
    ' Return undefined page number.
    intPageNumber = 0
  Else
    ' Create the lParam.
    lngTemp1 = MakeDWord(HTCLIENT, WM_LBUTTONDOWN)
    ' Send the Mouse Activate message.
    lngReturn = SendMessage(hWndOSUI, WM_MOUSEACTIVATE, Application.hWndAccessApp, ByVal lngTemp1)
    ' Send the Left Mouse Button Down message.
    lngReturn = PostMessage(hWndOSUI, WM_LBUTTONDOWN, 1&, lngWindowLocation)
    lngReturn = PostMessage(hWndOSUI, WM_LBUTTONUP, 1&, lngWindowLocation)
    ' Ensure messages are processed.
    DoEvents
    
    ' If intPageNumber is zero or negative we only wish to retrieve the current page number.
    If intPageNumber > 0 Then
      ' Copy our desired page number into the Page Number TextBox.
      strPageNumber = intPageNumber
      lngReturn = SetWindowText(hWndChild, strPageNumber)
      ' Allow Windows to catch up.
      DoEvents
      ' Generate Enter key press to force Access to update display.
      lngTemp1 = MapVirtualKey(vbKeyReturn, 0&)
      lngTemp2 = MakeDWord(1, CInt(lngTemp1))
      lngReturn = PostMessage(hWndChild, WM_KEYDOWN, 13, lngTemp2)
      lngReturn = PostMessage(hWndChild, WM_CHAR, 13, lngTemp2)
      ' Ensure messages are processed.
      DoEvents
      
      ' Create a new mouse click to read the displayed page number.
      ' Otherwise we will only retrieve the Enter key press.
      ' Create the lParam.
      lngTemp1 = MakeDWord(HTCLIENT, WM_LBUTTONDOWN)
      ' Send the Mouse Activate message.
      lngReturn = SendMessage(hWndOSUI, WM_MOUSEACTIVATE, Application.hWndAccessApp, ByVal lngTemp1)
      ' Send the Left Mouse Button Down message.
      lngReturn = PostMessage(hWndOSUI, WM_LBUTTONDOWN, 1&, lngWindowLocation)
      lngReturn = PostMessage(hWndOSUI, WM_LBUTTONUP, 1&, lngWindowLocation)
      ' Ensure messages are processed.
      DoEvents
    End If
    
    ' Retrieve and return current page number.
    strPageNumber = GetTextFromWindow(hWndChild)
    intPageNumber = CInt(strPageNumber)
    ' Signal success.
    booSuccess = True
  End If
  
  SetCurrentReportPage = booSuccess

Exit_SetCurrentReportPage:
  Exit Function

Err_SetCurrentReportPage:
  MsgBox "Error: " & Err.Number & "." & vbCrLf & Err.Description, vbCritical + vbOKOnly, Err.Source
  Resume Exit_SetCurrentReportPage

End Function

Public Function DemoGetReportPage() _
  As Integer

  Dim rpt           As Access.Report
  
  Dim strReport     As String
  Dim booSuccess    As Boolean
  Dim intReportPage As Integer

  If Access.Reports.Count > 0 Then
    Set rpt = Access.Reports(0)
    strReport = rpt.Name
    
    booSuccess = SetCurrentReportPage(strReport, intReportPage)
  
    Set rpt = Nothing
  End If
  
  DemoGetReportPage = intReportPage
  
End Function

Public Function DemoSetReportPage( _
  ByVal intReportPage As Integer) _
  As Integer

  Dim rpt           As Access.Report
  
  Dim strReport     As String
  Dim booSuccess    As Boolean
  
  If Access.Reports.Count = 0 Then
    intReportPage = 0
  Else
    Set rpt = Access.Reports(0)
    strReport = rpt.Name
    
    booSuccess = SetCurrentReportPage(strReport, intReportPage)
  
    Set rpt = Nothing
  End If
  
  DemoSetReportPage = intReportPage
  
End Function

</code>

Have fun!

/gustav



From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Wed Sep  8 12:14:49 2004
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 18:14:49 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Broadcast A Message
In-Reply-To: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8031BB34F@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <001001c495c7$58eb4260$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25>

Netware client.

-- Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> DWUTKA at marlow.com
> Sent: 08 September 2004 16:25
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Broadcast A Message
> 
> 
> What are the clients running?
> 
> Drew
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
> Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 12:39 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: [AccessD] Broadcast A Message
> 
> 
> Hi folks
> 
> Anyone got any info/code to broadcast a message to selected 
> machines/users. We've an NT4 server and a Novell server so 
> could use either technology.
> 
> -- Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 
> 
> -- 
> _______________________________________________
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> Website: 
> http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 
> 



From adtp at touchtelindia.net  Wed Sep  8 14:27:36 2004
From: adtp at touchtelindia.net (A.D.Tejpal)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 00:57:36 +0530
Subject: [AccessD] Syntax question about control references
References: <009801c495c1$5ac58f60$6501a8c0@rock>
Message-ID: <019f01c495da$0e8fc9d0$8d1865cb@winxp>

Arthur,

    The following example might give you some working ideas. Let the datasheet form have 13 columns named F0 to F12. 

    The code given below will ensure that F5 is the column that gets focus and is the first unfrozen one.

    It is observed that use of freeze feature interferes with the tab index property of various controls and normalization is not readily achieved by resetting the tab index. Hence the need for two stage loop (first loop normalizes the tab order of various columns).

A.D.Tejpal
--------------
=================================
Dim Cnt As Integer
' Normalize all columns
DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdUnfreezeAllColumns
For Cnt = 0 To 12
    Me("F" & Cnt).SetFocus
    DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdFreezeColumn
Next
DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdUnfreezeAllColumns


' Freeze Columns F0 to F4  and set focus on F5 
For Cnt = 0 To 4
    Me("F" & Cnt).SetFocus
    DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdFreezeColumn
Next
Me("F5").SetFocus
=================================

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Arthur Fuller 
  To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' 
  Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 22:01
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] Syntax question about control references


  Hi. No it is not set to continuous forms. (Frankly, except for very limited situations, I HATE continuous forms, but that's another story.)
  It's set for datasheet view. It's easy enough to set the focus to the
  desired control, but that's only half what I need. I need to scroll the form such that the control with focus is in the first unfrozen position.

  -----Original Message-----
  From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
  [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Michael R
  Mattys
  Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 10:59 AM
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Syntax question about control references

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: "Arthur Fuller" 


  > My form has controls whose names derive from the EoM() of a given 
  > date. That is, the end of a month. The control's name will be 
  > something such as "12/31/2004", etc. I need to set the focus to the 
  > column corresponding to today's date. For the date on which I am 
  > writing this message, the correct column is named "9/30/2004".
  ...
  > The EoM() function (which I wrote) returns a date. I need to take this

  > value and turn it into a reference to a column, such that I can write:
  > 
  > Me.columnName.SetFocus

  Arthur,

  It looks like you mean to say that you have
  a subform set to "continuous forms." If that's
  the case, you'd say 

  Me.SubformName.Form.Controls("EOMDate").SetFocus

  ----

  Michael R. Mattys
  Mattys MapLib for Microsoft MapPoint 
  http://www.mattysconsulting.com



From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Wed Sep  8 15:04:50 2004
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (DWUTKA at marlow.com)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 15:04:50 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] Broadcast A Message
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8031BB354@main2.marlow.com>

If you were running TCP/IP, you can use UDP broadcasts to have a 'receiver'
pick up the messages.  If they were NT based clients, you could use the
windows messaging service.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 12:15 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Broadcast A Message


Netware client.

-- Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> DWUTKA at marlow.com
> Sent: 08 September 2004 16:25
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Broadcast A Message
> 
> 
> What are the clients running?
> 
> Drew
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
> Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 12:39 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: [AccessD] Broadcast A Message
> 
> 
> Hi folks
> 
> Anyone got any info/code to broadcast a message to selected 
> machines/users. We've an NT4 server and a Novell server so 
> could use either technology.
> 
> -- Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 
> 
> -- 
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/a> ccessd
> Website: 
> http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> -- 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> Website: 
> http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 
> 

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Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com


From Lambert.Heenan at aig.com  Tue Sep  7 14:09:26 2004
From: Lambert.Heenan at aig.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 15:09:26 -0400 
Subject: [AccessD] Logon/Password Same as Network
Message-ID: <1D7828CDB8350747AFE9D69E0E90DA1F02D088D3@xlivmbx21.aig.com>

"Instead of having to remember two different passwords..." This is just what
I thought you might be trying to do, and that's just what the NY Challenge
is supposed to be doing.  

There is nowhere for the OS to look up the password to validate it. Rather
the NT Login process takes the password from the user and passes it through
a one-way hash function. The output of the hash function is then checked in
a database to see if there is a match for it The point being that the
password *never* gets stored anywhere or transmitted over the network. The
hash function is one-way in that you cannot convert the hash value back to
the password.

That's the theory. Unfortunately the practice is a touch harder. First the
code I pointed you to is VB specific. It would need to be altered to make it
compile under VBA. 

To get it to compile with VBA all the code above "Private Sub Form_Load()"
needs to be moved into a standard module.
All the "Private Declare ..." lines need to be changed to "Public Declare
..."
All the "Private Type .." lines need to be changed to "Public Type ..."
All references to the three textbox's  ".Text." and ".Value" properties
should be changed to simple references to the textbox controls' names.

Having done all that you will be able to compile the code, but then you'll
find that all the example code is in any case Windows 2000 or later
specific. The core part of the code (the function AuthenticateUser) first
tests the OS version (the function call IsWinNT2000Plus), and it it's not
20000 or greater nothing is done to authenticate at all. ;-(

So even though it's called the NT authentication, this code only works on
W2K and higher. I've yet to find a working version of this authentication
code for NT4 but it must be out there somewhere.

Lambert
	
> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Nicholson, Karen [SMTP:cyx5 at cdc.gov]
> Sent:	Tuesday, September 07, 2004 1:40 PM
> To:	Heenan, Lambert
> Subject:	RE: [AccessD] Logon/Password Same as Network
> 
> I don't think the Windows NT Challenge is what I am looking for, seems
> to apply to asp, internet etc.  What I want to do is this:  user logins
> in the morning on their server.  I can capture the user name that was
> used to logon and display on the form, for instance I am cyx5.  Now,
> when the user opens up my Access application, I want a form that
> displays the cyx5 in one text box (done) and another text box that is
> blank for them to enter in their password.  Instead of having to
> remember two different passwords, I would like the password that is
> entered on my Access form to lookup their network password to do a
> match.  If it does not match, throw them out.  If it does, open up my
> switchboard menu.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Heenan, Lambert [mailto:Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com] 
> Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 12:03 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; Nicholson, Karen
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Logon/Password Same as Network
> 
> 
> What's "the password"? Do you mean the logging password used for Access
> Security? Why would you want to make this the same as the users LAN
> login
> password? To do so would require your to keep the two synchronized and
> that
> would be a pain. Or do you in fact want to use the "Windows NT
> Challenge"
> process to validate an already logged in user?
> 
> All I can say is that Authentication is kinda complex, but take a look
> here
> for an example....
> 
> http://vbnet.mvps.org/index.html?code/network/acceptsecuritycontext.htm
> 
> Just be sure not to store those passwords anywhere or you will open up a
> security hole big enough to drive an 18-wheeler through.
> 
> Lambert
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From:	accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [SMTP:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Nicholson,
> Karen
> > Sent:	Tuesday, September 07, 2004 11:28 AM
> > To:	accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject:	[AccessD] Logon/Password Same as Network
> > 
> > I know how to grab the logon from the network; is there a way to make
> > the password to be the same as the password housed on the network so
> > that the user will have the same logon/password?  Thanks!
> > 
> > Karen Nicholson
> > National Laboratory
> > Xerox Global Services
> > 
> > 
> > -- 
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> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com


From fhtapia at gmail.com  Wed Sep  8 10:31:23 2004
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 08:31:23 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack
In-Reply-To: <8DA8776D2F418E46A2A464AC6CE630500326B2@outbaksrv1.outbaktech.com>
References: <8DA8776D2F418E46A2A464AC6CE630500326B2@outbaksrv1.outbaktech.com>
Message-ID: <b874372a0409080831424db931@mail.gmail.com>

Acctually that DOES sound very rightous... if or when I ever go back
to doing consulting work I may just have to remember to do this...
they  you a ton of software for the price...


On Wed, 8 Sep 2004 09:49:56 -0500, Jeff Barrows <jeff at outbaktech.com> wrote:
> Technically, it means is that if you decide NOT to renew your Action Pack Subscription, you agree to remove all of the Action Pack software from any / all of your machines after one year.  But for $199 a year (after the first year), it only makes sense to renew it.
> 
> 
> 
> 
>         -----Original Message-----
>         From: Eric Barro [mailto:ebarro at afsweb.com]
>         Sent: Wed 9/8/2004 8:21 AM
>         To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>         Cc:
>         Subject: RE: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack
> 
>         What it probably means it that you're going to stop getting update CDs from M$ for any of the products you have licenses for so if they come out with Office 2004 or SQL server 2005 you will have to purchase a separate license if you wanted to use it.
> 
>         ---
>         Eric Barro
>         Senior Systems Analyst
>         Advanced Field Services
>         (208) 772-7060
>         http://www.afsweb.com
> 
>         -----Original Message-----
>         From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>         [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John W. Colby
>         Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 12:46 AM
>         To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>         Subject: RE: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack
> 
>         I don't know.  I know that the license "expires" after 1 year, but it
>         appears that these are just real copies of these various things.  I doubt
>         they quit working.
> 
>         John W. Colby
>         www.ColbyConsulting.com
> 
>         -----Original Message-----
>         From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>         [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
>         Beach Access Software
>         Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 1:07 AM
>         To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>         Subject: Re: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack
> 
>         John:
> 
>         Thanks for the rundown.  I've being trying to decide between that and the
>         partner program.  This one looks god.  Except what's that about a one-year
>         license.  Does your copy of Office 2003 crap out after one year?
> 
>         Rocky
> 
>         ----- Original Message -----
>         From: "John W. Colby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
>         To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
>         <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>         Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 9:01 PM
>         Subject: RE: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack
> 
>         > The action pack is a deal MS offers developers or companies that
>         > develop
>         for
>         > or sell MS stuff.  For $300-400 they give you a ton of the latest
>         > software and 10 licenses for all of it.  You are allowed to use it in
>         > house, but
>         not
>         > sell it or install it on any client machines.  It includes:
>         >
>         > Office Professional 2003
>         > Office Publisher 2003
>         > Office Frontpage 2003
>         > Office Visio Professional 2003
>         > Office Project Professional 2003
>         > Business contact Manager for Outlook 2003
>         > Office OneNote 2003
>         > MapPoint 2004 Standard Edition
>         > Windows XP Professional
>         > Virtual PC 2004
>         > Office Infopath 2003
>         > Business Solutions CRM Professional
>         > Windows Server 2003 Standard Edition
>         > Windows Server 2003 Web Edition
>         > Exchange Server 2003 Enterprise Edition
>         > Office Project Server 2003
>         > Office Sharepoint Server 2003
>         > Office Live Communications Server 2003
>         > SQL Server 2000 Standard Edition (damn!)
>         > SQL Server 2000 Service Pack 3a
>         > SQL Server Reporting Services
>         > Mobile Information Server 2002
>         > Swindows Sharepoint Services Standard 2003
>         > Windows Small Business Server 2003 Premium Edition
>         >
>         > What is all this stuff you may ask.  No idea.
>         >
>         > The package appears to also come with some kind of training CD for
>         > each
>         ofr
>         > these things.  No books, must all be on CD.  A neat little (BIG)
>         > organizer size canvas folder to hold the disks.  Nothing to hold the
>         > training materials (C'mon MS, another folder to hold that and the
>         > sleeves hole punched would have made it so much more professional).
>         >
>         >
>         http://members.microsoft.com/partner/salesmarketing/partnermarket/actionpack
>         > /actionpackus.aspx
>         >
>         > Watch for wrap.
>         >
>         > I had been looking at this package for awhile in order to bring my
>         > office into the modern age (as defined by MS).
>         >
>         > So there you have it.  A lot of stuff for a medium price (one year
>         > license though!).  But it gives you 10 licenses.  I can put XP on all
>         > my desktops, Server 2003 on both my new "server" machines, look at and
>         > possibly use Office 2003 on my machines etc.  I have a home office
>         > with 2 "server
>         class"
>         > machines and 2 desktop machines, plus one modern laptop and an old POS
>         > laptop that I am currently re-installing Win2K Pro on.  Being able to
>         > get
>         a
>         > consistent platform on everything might be nice.
>         >
>         > I had hoped to see 64bit OS and SQL Server included - they apparently
>         > do exists, but not in here.  8-(
>         >
>         > John W. Colby
>         > www.ColbyConsulting.com
>         >
>         > -----Original Message-----
>         > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>         > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lonnie
>         > Johnson
>         > Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 2:48 PM
>         > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>         > Subject: Re: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack
>         >
>         >
>         > What's the main advantage to having the Action pack?
>         >
>         > "John W. Colby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
>         > I just got my MS Action pack, very nice. So much to know, so little
>         > time.
>         >
>         > John W. Colby
>         > www.ColbyConsulting.com
>         >
>         >
>         > --
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>         > AccessD mailing list
>         > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>         > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>         > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>         >
> 
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed Sep  8 16:04:26 2004
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 14:04:26 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312A38@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Except you don't get the developer versions.

Charlotte


-----Original Message-----
From: Francisco Tapia [mailto:fhtapia at gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 8:31 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack


Acctually that DOES sound very rightous... if or when I ever go back to
doing consulting work I may just have to remember to do this... they
you a ton of software for the price...


On Wed, 8 Sep 2004 09:49:56 -0500, Jeff Barrows <jeff at outbaktech.com>
wrote:
> Technically, it means is that if you decide NOT to renew your Action 
> Pack Subscription, you agree to remove all of the Action Pack software

> from any / all of your machines after one year.  But for $199 a year 
> (after the first year), it only makes sense to renew it.
> 
> 
> 
> 
>         -----Original Message-----
>         From: Eric Barro [mailto:ebarro at afsweb.com]
>         Sent: Wed 9/8/2004 8:21 AM
>         To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>         Cc:
>         Subject: RE: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack
> 
>         What it probably means it that you're going to stop getting 
> update CDs from M$ for any of the products you have licenses for so if

> they come out with Office 2004 or SQL server 2005 you will have to 
> purchase a separate license if you wanted to use it.
> 
>         ---
>         Eric Barro
>         Senior Systems Analyst
>         Advanced Field Services
>         (208) 772-7060
>         http://www.afsweb.com
> 
>         -----Original Message-----
>         From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>         [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John
W. Colby
>         Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 12:46 AM
>         To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>         Subject: RE: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack
> 
>         I don't know.  I know that the license "expires" after 1 year,
but it
>         appears that these are just real copies of these various
things.  I doubt
>         they quit working.
> 
>         John W. Colby
>         www.ColbyConsulting.com
> 
>         -----Original Message-----
>         From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>         [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Rocky Smolin -
>         Beach Access Software
>         Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 1:07 AM
>         To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>         Subject: Re: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack
> 
>         John:
> 
>         Thanks for the rundown.  I've being trying to decide between
that and the
>         partner program.  This one looks god.  Except what's that
about a one-year
>         license.  Does your copy of Office 2003 crap out after one 
> year?
> 
>         Rocky
> 
>         ----- Original Message -----
>         From: "John W. Colby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
>         To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
>         <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>         Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 9:01 PM
>         Subject: RE: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack
> 
>         > The action pack is a deal MS offers developers or companies
that
>         > develop
>         for
>         > or sell MS stuff.  For $300-400 they give you a ton of the
latest
>         > software and 10 licenses for all of it.  You are allowed to
use it in
>         > house, but
>         not
>         > sell it or install it on any client machines.  It includes:
>         >
>         > Office Professional 2003
>         > Office Publisher 2003
>         > Office Frontpage 2003
>         > Office Visio Professional 2003
>         > Office Project Professional 2003
>         > Business contact Manager for Outlook 2003
>         > Office OneNote 2003
>         > MapPoint 2004 Standard Edition
>         > Windows XP Professional
>         > Virtual PC 2004
>         > Office Infopath 2003
>         > Business Solutions CRM Professional
>         > Windows Server 2003 Standard Edition
>         > Windows Server 2003 Web Edition
>         > Exchange Server 2003 Enterprise Edition
>         > Office Project Server 2003
>         > Office Sharepoint Server 2003
>         > Office Live Communications Server 2003
>         > SQL Server 2000 Standard Edition (damn!)
>         > SQL Server 2000 Service Pack 3a
>         > SQL Server Reporting Services
>         > Mobile Information Server 2002
>         > Swindows Sharepoint Services Standard 2003
>         > Windows Small Business Server 2003 Premium Edition
>         >
>         > What is all this stuff you may ask.  No idea.
>         >
>         > The package appears to also come with some kind of training
CD for
>         > each
>         ofr
>         > these things.  No books, must all be on CD.  A neat little
(BIG)
>         > organizer size canvas folder to hold the disks.  Nothing to
hold the
>         > training materials (C'mon MS, another folder to hold that
and the
>         > sleeves hole punched would have made it so much more
professional).
>         >
>         >
>
http://members.microsoft.com/partner/salesmarketing/partnermarket/action
pack
>         > /actionpackus.aspx
>         >
>         > Watch for wrap.
>         >
>         > I had been looking at this package for awhile in order to
bring my
>         > office into the modern age (as defined by MS).
>         >
>         > So there you have it.  A lot of stuff for a medium price
(one year
>         > license though!).  But it gives you 10 licenses.  I can put
XP on all
>         > my desktops, Server 2003 on both my new "server" machines,
look at and
>         > possibly use Office 2003 on my machines etc.  I have a home
office
>         > with 2 "server
>         class"
>         > machines and 2 desktop machines, plus one modern laptop and
an old POS
>         > laptop that I am currently re-installing Win2K Pro on.
Being able to
>         > get
>         a
>         > consistent platform on everything might be nice.
>         >
>         > I had hoped to see 64bit OS and SQL Server included - they
apparently
>         > do exists, but not in here.  8-(
>         >
>         > John W. Colby
>         > www.ColbyConsulting.com
>         >
>         > -----Original Message-----
>         > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>         > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Lonnie
>         > Johnson
>         > Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 2:48 PM
>         > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>         > Subject: Re: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack
>         >
>         >
>         > What's the main advantage to having the Action pack?
>         >
>         > "John W. Colby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
>         > I just got my MS Action pack, very nice. So much to know, so
little
>         > time.
>         >
>         > John W. Colby
>         > www.ColbyConsulting.com
>         >
>         >
>         > --
>         > _______________________________________________
>         > AccessD mailing list
>         > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>         > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>         > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>         >
> 
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> 
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> 



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From mikkel.enevoldsen at mail.tele.dk  Wed Sep  8 16:31:47 2004
From: mikkel.enevoldsen at mail.tele.dk (Mikkel Enevoldsen)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 23:31:47 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Columnhidden in datasheet subforms
Message-ID: <CHECKCBKABNDCGIPOCAEOEHJCFAA.mikkel.enevoldsen@mail.tele.dk>

Dear All,

Is it possible to change "columnhidden"-property (programaticly), in order
to hide certain columns in a datasheet view of a subform?
Each time a record is selected on the mainform, the subform datasheetcolumns
has to change accordingly.


Best regards

Mikkel Enevoldsen




From donald.a.Mcgillivray at mail.sprint.com  Wed Sep  8 10:25:08 2004
From: donald.a.Mcgillivray at mail.sprint.com (Mcgillivray, Donald [ITS])
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 10:25:08 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Synchronizing Subform to Main form based on a date
Message-ID: <988E2AC88CCB54459286C4077DB662F50129DE53@PDAWB03C.ad.sprint.com>

Thanks for the suggestion, Andy, but no success.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 12:15 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Synchronizing Subform to Main form based on a
date


Just a thought Donald but if you placed a hidden calc'd control on the
main
form with =YourDateCombo.Column(0) and put in that in your linking
fields
would that help?

-- Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 



From dwaters at usinternet.com  Wed Sep  8 10:30:08 2004
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 10:30:08 -0500
Subject: FW: [AccessD] AHOO!!!  Got my action pack
Message-ID: <002101c495b8$b9a3fe30$de1811d8@danwaters>

John,

I didn't see Visual Studio for Applications on your list.  This would allow
setting up an installation package for Access Runtime.  I would have guessed
that this would have been included in a package for developers.  Is it
really missing?

Dan Waters

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 11:02 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack

The action pack is a deal MS offers developers or companies that develop for
or sell MS stuff.  For $300-400 they give you a ton of the latest software
and 10 licenses for all of it.  You are allowed to use it in house, but not
sell it or install it on any client machines.  It includes:

Office Professional 2003
Office Publisher 2003
Office Frontpage 2003
Office Visio Professional 2003
Office Project Professional 2003
Business contact Manager for Outlook 2003
Office OneNote 2003
MapPoint 2004 Standard Edition
Windows XP Professional
Virtual PC 2004
Office Infopath 2003
Business Solutions CRM Professional
Windows Server 2003 Standard Edition
Windows Server 2003 Web Edition
Exchange Server 2003 Enterprise Edition
Office Project Server 2003
Office Sharepoint Server 2003
Office Live Communications Server 2003
SQL Server 2000 Standard Edition (damn!)
SQL Server 2000 Service Pack 3a
SQL Server Reporting Services
Mobile Information Server 2002
Swindows Sharepoint Services Standard 2003
Windows Small Business Server 2003 Premium Edition

What is all this stuff you may ask.  No idea.

The package appears to also come with some kind of training CD for each ofr
these things.  No books, must all be on CD.  A neat little (BIG) organizer
size canvas folder to hold the disks.  Nothing to hold the training
materials (C'mon MS, another folder to hold that and the sleeves hole
punched would have made it so much more professional).

http://members.microsoft.com/partner/salesmarketing/partnermarket/actionpack
/actionpackus.aspx

Watch for wrap.

I had been looking at this package for awhile in order to bring my office
into the modern age (as defined by MS).  

So there you have it.  A lot of stuff for a medium price (one year license
though!).  But it gives you 10 licenses.  I can put XP on all my desktops,
Server 2003 on both my new "server" machines, look at and possibly use
Office 2003 on my machines etc.  I have a home office with 2 "server class"
machines and 2 desktop machines, plus one modern laptop and an old POS
laptop that I am currently re-installing Win2K Pro on.  Being able to get a
consistent platform on everything might be nice.

I had hoped to see 64bit OS and SQL Server included - they apparently do
exists, but not in here.  8-(

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lonnie Johnson
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 2:48 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack


What's the main advantage to having the Action pack?

"John W. Colby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
I just got my MS Action pack, very nice. So much to know, so little time.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Wed Sep  8 07:37:01 2004
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 07:37:01 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] AHOO!!!  Got my action pack
In-Reply-To: <19753348.1094617599409.JavaMail.root@sniper12.usinternet.com>
Message-ID: <000b01c495a0$8a7d9b10$de1811d8@danwaters>

John,

I didn't see Visual Studio for Applications on your list.  This would allow
setting up an installation package for Access Runtime.  I would have guessed
that this would have been included in a package for developers.  Is it
really missing?

Dan Waters

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 11:02 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack

The action pack is a deal MS offers developers or companies that develop for
or sell MS stuff.  For $300-400 they give you a ton of the latest software
and 10 licenses for all of it.  You are allowed to use it in house, but not
sell it or install it on any client machines.  It includes:

Office Professional 2003
Office Publisher 2003
Office Frontpage 2003
Office Visio Professional 2003
Office Project Professional 2003
Business contact Manager for Outlook 2003
Office OneNote 2003
MapPoint 2004 Standard Edition
Windows XP Professional
Virtual PC 2004
Office Infopath 2003
Business Solutions CRM Professional
Windows Server 2003 Standard Edition
Windows Server 2003 Web Edition
Exchange Server 2003 Enterprise Edition
Office Project Server 2003
Office Sharepoint Server 2003
Office Live Communications Server 2003
SQL Server 2000 Standard Edition (damn!)
SQL Server 2000 Service Pack 3a
SQL Server Reporting Services
Mobile Information Server 2002
Swindows Sharepoint Services Standard 2003
Windows Small Business Server 2003 Premium Edition

What is all this stuff you may ask.  No idea.

The package appears to also come with some kind of training CD for each ofr
these things.  No books, must all be on CD.  A neat little (BIG) organizer
size canvas folder to hold the disks.  Nothing to hold the training
materials (C'mon MS, another folder to hold that and the sleeves hole
punched would have made it so much more professional).

http://members.microsoft.com/partner/salesmarketing/partnermarket/actionpack
/actionpackus.aspx

Watch for wrap.

I had been looking at this package for awhile in order to bring my office
into the modern age (as defined by MS).  

So there you have it.  A lot of stuff for a medium price (one year license
though!).  But it gives you 10 licenses.  I can put XP on all my desktops,
Server 2003 on both my new "server" machines, look at and possibly use
Office 2003 on my machines etc.  I have a home office with 2 "server class"
machines and 2 desktop machines, plus one modern laptop and an old POS
laptop that I am currently re-installing Win2K Pro on.  Being able to get a
consistent platform on everything might be nice.

I had hoped to see 64bit OS and SQL Server included - they apparently do
exists, but not in here.  8-(

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lonnie Johnson
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 2:48 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack


What's the main advantage to having the Action pack?

"John W. Colby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
I just got my MS Action pack, very nice. So much to know, so little time.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Wed Sep  8 17:31:48 2004
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 08:31:48 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Syntax question about control references
In-Reply-To: <009801c495c1$5ac58f60$6501a8c0@rock>
References: <008501c494eb$27dc4930$6401a8c0@default>
Message-ID: <414014F4.31973.18DB07E9@lexacorp.com.pg>

On 8 Sep 2004 at 12:31, Arthur Fuller wrote:

> Hi. No it is not set to continuous forms. (Frankly, except for very
> limited situations, I HATE continuous forms, but that's another story.)

Do tell us that story :-)

(I use a lot of continuous forms)



-- 
Stuart




From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed Sep  8 17:37:02 2004
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 15:37:02 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] AHOO!!!  Got my action pack
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312A3B@infoserver01.infostat.local>

The action pack isn't really for developers in that sense.  It's for
partners so that the entire office can work with the same versions of
the MS applications.  The developers tools are in the MSDN Universal
subscription.

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Waters [mailto:dwaters at usinternet.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 5:37 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack


John,

I didn't see Visual Studio for Applications on your list.  This would
allow setting up an installation package for Access Runtime.  I would
have guessed that this would have been included in a package for
developers.  Is it really missing?

Dan Waters

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 11:02 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack

The action pack is a deal MS offers developers or companies that develop
for or sell MS stuff.  For $300-400 they give you a ton of the latest
software and 10 licenses for all of it.  You are allowed to use it in
house, but not sell it or install it on any client machines.  It
includes:

Office Professional 2003
Office Publisher 2003
Office Frontpage 2003
Office Visio Professional 2003
Office Project Professional 2003
Business contact Manager for Outlook 2003
Office OneNote 2003
MapPoint 2004 Standard Edition
Windows XP Professional
Virtual PC 2004
Office Infopath 2003
Business Solutions CRM Professional
Windows Server 2003 Standard Edition
Windows Server 2003 Web Edition
Exchange Server 2003 Enterprise Edition
Office Project Server 2003
Office Sharepoint Server 2003
Office Live Communications Server 2003
SQL Server 2000 Standard Edition (damn!)
SQL Server 2000 Service Pack 3a
SQL Server Reporting Services
Mobile Information Server 2002
Swindows Sharepoint Services Standard 2003
Windows Small Business Server 2003 Premium Edition

What is all this stuff you may ask.  No idea.

The package appears to also come with some kind of training CD for each
ofr these things.  No books, must all be on CD.  A neat little (BIG)
organizer size canvas folder to hold the disks.  Nothing to hold the
training materials (C'mon MS, another folder to hold that and the
sleeves hole punched would have made it so much more professional).

http://members.microsoft.com/partner/salesmarketing/partnermarket/action
pack
/actionpackus.aspx

Watch for wrap.

I had been looking at this package for awhile in order to bring my
office into the modern age (as defined by MS).  

So there you have it.  A lot of stuff for a medium price (one year
license though!).  But it gives you 10 licenses.  I can put XP on all my
desktops, Server 2003 on both my new "server" machines, look at and
possibly use Office 2003 on my machines etc.  I have a home office with
2 "server class" machines and 2 desktop machines, plus one modern laptop
and an old POS laptop that I am currently re-installing Win2K Pro on.
Being able to get a consistent platform on everything might be nice.

I had hoped to see 64bit OS and SQL Server included - they apparently do
exists, but not in here.  8-(

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lonnie
Johnson
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 2:48 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack


What's the main advantage to having the Action pack?

"John W. Colby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
I just got my MS Action pack, very nice. So much to know, so little
time.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


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From donald.a.Mcgillivray at mail.sprint.com  Wed Sep  8 18:12:58 2004
From: donald.a.Mcgillivray at mail.sprint.com (Mcgillivray, Donald [ITS])
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 18:12:58 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Synchronizing Subform to Main form based on a date -
	Resolved
Message-ID: <988E2AC88CCB54459286C4077DB662F50129E3C1@PDAWB03C.ad.sprint.com>

I ought to know better when Access starts misbehaving like this.  I
imported my objects to a new empty db, and the thing started behaving
normally (or at least as I expected it to.)

Problem solved . . .



From d.dick at uws.edu.au  Wed Sep  8 18:54:45 2004
From: d.dick at uws.edu.au (Darren DICK)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 09:54:45 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Used to work - now it errors
In-Reply-To: <48569739.20040908085726@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <001201c495ff$37924b30$4a619a89@DDICK>

Excellent
Thanks Gustav
Lazy typing me thinks

Have a great day

Darren



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Wednesday, 8 September 2004 4:57 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K: Used to work - now it errors


Hi Darren

Specify what your intent is:

  Dim dbs As DAO.Database
  Dim rst As DAO.Recordset

Then the order of references doesn't matter.

/gustav

> This used to work now I get Run Time Error 13 - Type Mismatch Then the 
> debugger yellows out the "Set rst" line

> Any suggestions
> Dao 3.6 is referenced


> Dim dbs As Database 
> rst As Recordset

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Sep  8 19:17:01 2004
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 20:17:01 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] AHOO!!!  Got my action pack
In-Reply-To: <000b01c495a0$8a7d9b10$de1811d8@danwaters>
Message-ID: <003501c49602$5832c600$80b3fea9@ColbyM6805>

Yep, it is really missing.  I think this is geared at resellers of MS
product more than developers although they clearly state in the action pack
page that developers qualify.  There is NOTHING development oriented in
there.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 8:37 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack


John,

I didn't see Visual Studio for Applications on your list.  This would allow
setting up an installation package for Access Runtime.  I would have guessed
that this would have been included in a package for developers.  Is it
really missing?

Dan Waters

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 11:02 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack

The action pack is a deal MS offers developers or companies that develop for
or sell MS stuff.  For $300-400 they give you a ton of the latest software
and 10 licenses for all of it.  You are allowed to use it in house, but not
sell it or install it on any client machines.  It includes:

Office Professional 2003
Office Publisher 2003
Office Frontpage 2003
Office Visio Professional 2003
Office Project Professional 2003
Business contact Manager for Outlook 2003
Office OneNote 2003
MapPoint 2004 Standard Edition
Windows XP Professional
Virtual PC 2004
Office Infopath 2003
Business Solutions CRM Professional
Windows Server 2003 Standard Edition
Windows Server 2003 Web Edition
Exchange Server 2003 Enterprise Edition
Office Project Server 2003
Office Sharepoint Server 2003
Office Live Communications Server 2003
SQL Server 2000 Standard Edition (damn!)
SQL Server 2000 Service Pack 3a
SQL Server Reporting Services
Mobile Information Server 2002
Swindows Sharepoint Services Standard 2003
Windows Small Business Server 2003 Premium Edition

What is all this stuff you may ask.  No idea.

The package appears to also come with some kind of training CD for each ofr
these things.  No books, must all be on CD.  A neat little (BIG) organizer
size canvas folder to hold the disks.  Nothing to hold the training
materials (C'mon MS, another folder to hold that and the sleeves hole
punched would have made it so much more professional).

http://members.microsoft.com/partner/salesmarketing/partnermarket/actionpack
/actionpackus.aspx

Watch for wrap.

I had been looking at this package for awhile in order to bring my office
into the modern age (as defined by MS).  

So there you have it.  A lot of stuff for a medium price (one year license
though!).  But it gives you 10 licenses.  I can put XP on all my desktops,
Server 2003 on both my new "server" machines, look at and possibly use
Office 2003 on my machines etc.  I have a home office with 2 "server class"
machines and 2 desktop machines, plus one modern laptop and an old POS
laptop that I am currently re-installing Win2K Pro on.  Being able to get a
consistent platform on everything might be nice.

I had hoped to see 64bit OS and SQL Server included - they apparently do
exists, but not in here.  8-(

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lonnie Johnson
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 2:48 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack


What's the main advantage to having the Action pack?

"John W. Colby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
I just got my MS Action pack, very nice. So much to know, so little time.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Sep  8 19:20:12 2004
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 20:20:12 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] AHOO!!!  Got my action pack
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312A3B@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <003601c49602$c8de9d70$80b3fea9@ColbyM6805>

And the cost of that is MUCH more.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 6:37 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack


The action pack isn't really for developers in that sense.  It's for
partners so that the entire office can work with the same versions of the MS
applications.  The developers tools are in the MSDN Universal subscription.

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Waters [mailto:dwaters at usinternet.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 5:37 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack


John,

I didn't see Visual Studio for Applications on your list.  This would allow
setting up an installation package for Access Runtime.  I would have guessed
that this would have been included in a package for developers.  Is it
really missing?

Dan Waters

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 11:02 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack

The action pack is a deal MS offers developers or companies that develop for
or sell MS stuff.  For $300-400 they give you a ton of the latest software
and 10 licenses for all of it.  You are allowed to use it in house, but not
sell it or install it on any client machines.  It
includes:

Office Professional 2003
Office Publisher 2003
Office Frontpage 2003
Office Visio Professional 2003
Office Project Professional 2003
Business contact Manager for Outlook 2003
Office OneNote 2003
MapPoint 2004 Standard Edition
Windows XP Professional
Virtual PC 2004
Office Infopath 2003
Business Solutions CRM Professional
Windows Server 2003 Standard Edition
Windows Server 2003 Web Edition
Exchange Server 2003 Enterprise Edition
Office Project Server 2003
Office Sharepoint Server 2003
Office Live Communications Server 2003
SQL Server 2000 Standard Edition (damn!)
SQL Server 2000 Service Pack 3a
SQL Server Reporting Services
Mobile Information Server 2002
Swindows Sharepoint Services Standard 2003
Windows Small Business Server 2003 Premium Edition

What is all this stuff you may ask.  No idea.

The package appears to also come with some kind of training CD for each ofr
these things.  No books, must all be on CD.  A neat little (BIG) organizer
size canvas folder to hold the disks.  Nothing to hold the training
materials (C'mon MS, another folder to hold that and the sleeves hole
punched would have made it so much more professional).

http://members.microsoft.com/partner/salesmarketing/partnermarket/action
pack
/actionpackus.aspx

Watch for wrap.

I had been looking at this package for awhile in order to bring my office
into the modern age (as defined by MS).  

So there you have it.  A lot of stuff for a medium price (one year license
though!).  But it gives you 10 licenses.  I can put XP on all my desktops,
Server 2003 on both my new "server" machines, look at and possibly use
Office 2003 on my machines etc.  I have a home office with 2 "server class"
machines and 2 desktop machines, plus one modern laptop and an old POS
laptop that I am currently re-installing Win2K Pro on. Being able to get a
consistent platform on everything might be nice.

I had hoped to see 64bit OS and SQL Server included - they apparently do
exists, but not in here.  8-(

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lonnie Johnson
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 2:48 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack


What's the main advantage to having the Action pack?

"John W. Colby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
I just got my MS Action pack, very nice. So much to know, so little time.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


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From d.dick at uws.edu.au  Wed Sep  8 20:25:43 2004
From: d.dick at uws.edu.au (Darren DICK)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 11:25:43 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Same Name Validation
Message-ID: <001f01c4960b$ed329ba0$4a619a89@DDICK>

Hello all
How do you guys handle data entry users entering someone into a dB
with the same first and last name - quite legitimately E.G. John SMITH

How do you test for other existences of John SMITH in the db and what
'alerting' do you
guys use?

Many thanks in advance

Have a great day

Darren




From fhtapia at gmail.com  Wed Sep  8 21:42:26 2004
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 19:42:26 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Same Name Validation
In-Reply-To: <001f01c4960b$ed329ba0$4a619a89@DDICK>
References: <001f01c4960b$ed329ba0$4a619a89@DDICK>
Message-ID: <b874372a040908194268fa46ee@mail.gmail.com>

As with many things, It depends on the structure of your db

my db houses this:

Company
Address
ContactAddress
Contact

A company can have many addresses.  A user may be an employee or
associated to many Companies, I associated the contact to the company
via the address so I would know what location he is associated
through.

:D




On Thu, 9 Sep 2004 11:25:43 +1000, Darren DICK <d.dick at uws.edu.au> wrote:
> Hello all
> How do you guys handle data entry users entering someone into a dB
> with the same first and last name - quite legitimately E.G. John SMITH
> 
> How do you test for other existences of John SMITH in the db and what
> 'alerting' do you
> guys use?
> 
> Many thanks in advance
> 
> Have a great day
> 
> Darren
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From d.dick at uws.edu.au  Thu Sep  9 00:14:25 2004
From: d.dick at uws.edu.au (Darren DICK)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 15:14:25 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Same Name Validation
In-Reply-To: <b874372a040908194268fa46ee@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000001c4962b$e062fbc0$4a619a89@DDICK>

Hi Francisco
Pretty Basic
tblStudents
LastName (TEXT)
FirstName (TEXT)

That's all I want to test. Just if there is one John SMITH and 
a data entry person is entering a second one, I wanna alert them.

I was thinking of a combined dlookup with First and Last name and if
the count was greater than zero, alert the user

Many thanks

Have a great day

Darren



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Francisco Tapia
Sent: Thursday, 9 September 2004 12:42 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K: Same Name Validation


As with many things, It depends on the structure of your db

my db houses this:

Company
Address
ContactAddress
Contact

A company can have many addresses.  A user may be an employee or associated
to many Companies, I associated the contact to the company via the address
so I would know what location he is associated through.

:D




On Thu, 9 Sep 2004 11:25:43 +1000, Darren DICK <d.dick at uws.edu.au> wrote:
> Hello all
> How do you guys handle data entry users entering someone into a dB 
> with the same first and last name - quite legitimately E.G. John SMITH
> 
> How do you test for other existences of John SMITH in the db and what 
> 'alerting' do you guys use?
> 
> Many thanks in advance
> 
> Have a great day
> 
> Darren
> 
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From stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz  Thu Sep  9 03:39:24 2004
From: stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz (Stephen Bond)
Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 20:39:24 +1200
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Same Name Validation
Message-ID: <70F3D727890C784291D8433E9C418F298FC5@server.bondsoftware.co.nz>

Darren,

I do this in one of my apps: 

Function DuplicateCount(fnIn, snIn) As Long
Dim k As Variant, criteria as String
  criteria = "FirstName = '" & fnIn & "' AND LastName = '" & snIn & "'"
  k = Nz(DCount("*", "tblWhatever", criteria))
  DuplicateCount = k
End Function

I cop the overhead of another index on the table.  It's a multi-field index, it contains the FN field and the LN field, call it CombinedName, duplicates allowed. I think this is supposed to make it faster.  If it doesn't it makes me feel better anyway <g>

Stephen Bond
Otatara, New Zealand



> -----Original Message-----
> From: Darren DICK [mailto:d.dick at uws.edu.au]
> Sent: Thursday, 9 September 2004 5:14 p.m.
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K: Same Name Validation
> 
> 
> Hi Francisco
> Pretty Basic
> tblStudents
> LastName (TEXT)
> FirstName (TEXT)
> 
> That's all I want to test. Just if there is one John SMITH and 
> a data entry person is entering a second one, I wanna alert them.
> 
> I was thinking of a combined dlookup with First and Last name and if
> the count was greater than zero, alert the user
> 
> Many thanks
> 
> Have a great day
> 
> Darren
> 
> 
> 
>
> 


From gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Sep  9 03:39:34 2004
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 10:39:34 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] AHOO!!!  Got my action pack
In-Reply-To: <003501c49602$5832c600$80b3fea9@ColbyM6805>
References: <003501c49602$5832c600$80b3fea9@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <76429585.20040909103934@cactus.dk>

Hi John

> .. There is NOTHING development oriented in there.

Not even Access ...

/gustav



From Paul.Rogers at SummitMedia.co.uk  Thu Sep  9 03:52:23 2004
From: Paul.Rogers at SummitMedia.co.uk (Paul Rodgers)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 09:52:23 +0100 
Subject: [AccessD] Changing the windows' tongue
Message-ID: <EAF3070ACB1AD81182280002A51EF731192204@s003.wolds.summitmedia.co.uk>

The price was right, but the language isn't. Is there a way to change the
language to English in windows 2k, perhaps with an upgrade, please, Experts?
Cheers paul

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From mikedorism at adelphia.net  Thu Sep  9 06:27:28 2004
From: mikedorism at adelphia.net (Mike & Doris Manning)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 07:27:28 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Columnhidden in datasheet subforms
In-Reply-To: <CHECKCBKABNDCGIPOCAEOEHJCFAA.mikkel.enevoldsen@mail.tele.dk>
Message-ID: <000601c4965f$fd9c1260$7109a845@hargrove.internal>

Yes, you can do that.

Doris Manning
Database Administrator
Hargrove Inc.
www.hargroveinc.com


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mikkel Enevoldsen
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 5:32 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Columnhidden in datasheet subforms


Dear All,

Is it possible to change "columnhidden"-property (programaticly), in order
to hide certain columns in a datasheet view of a subform? Each time a record
is selected on the mainform, the subform datasheetcolumns has to change
accordingly.


Best regards

Mikkel Enevoldsen


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From mikedorism at adelphia.net  Thu Sep  9 06:29:58 2004
From: mikedorism at adelphia.net (Mike & Doris Manning)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 07:29:58 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Shrinking fields in a report
In-Reply-To: <200409081810.i88IAlv3020534@ms-smtp-03.nyroc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <000701c49660$57083900$7109a845@hargrove.internal>

If you have fields on the same line, then the line won't be able to shrink
unless all the fields can shrink.

Doris Manning
Database Administrator
Hargrove Inc.
www.hargroveinc.com


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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of augusta
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 2:11 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Shrinking fields in a report


I have a report that contains basic info - Memname, business name, friends
name, address, and total sum contributed.

In the report I have on the left hand side name, business, friends name. The
middle (ideally on the same line) address, and then alittle over (once again
on the same line) is the Total Sum.

I have set all the fields to shrink, but when there is only a business and
friend name to the record, it does not shrink all the way. But when there is
a Memname and friend name, it does. This is a mystery. Any clues? IS there a
limit to the number of fields that can shrink?

Thanks 

Augusta


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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Sep  9 06:54:48 2004
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 07:54:48 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] AHOO!!!  Got my action pack
In-Reply-To: <76429585.20040909103934@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <004501c49663$d2046a90$80b3fea9@ColbyM6805>

I don't know.  It has Office, with Access I believe.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 4:40 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack


Hi John

> .. There is NOTHING development oriented in there.

Not even Access ...

/gustav

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From jimdettman at earthlink.net  Thu Sep  9 08:03:53 2004
From: jimdettman at earthlink.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 09:03:53 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] AHOO!!!  Got my action pack
In-Reply-To: <003601c49602$c8de9d70$80b3fea9@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <NEBBKADGELICHEJJCKGKOEMMKCAA.jimdettman@earthlink.net>

John (and all)

  Not that much more.  A full Action Pack subscription is $399.  I found a
MSDN Universal subscription for $875 last year.  Your talking a difference
of only $400 bucks.

Jim Dettman
President,
Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
(315) 699-3443
jimdettman at earthlink.net

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 8:20 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack


And the cost of that is MUCH more.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 6:37 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack


The action pack isn't really for developers in that sense.  It's for
partners so that the entire office can work with the same versions of the MS
applications.  The developers tools are in the MSDN Universal subscription.

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Waters [mailto:dwaters at usinternet.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 5:37 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack


John,

I didn't see Visual Studio for Applications on your list.  This would allow
setting up an installation package for Access Runtime.  I would have guessed
that this would have been included in a package for developers.  Is it
really missing?

Dan Waters

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 11:02 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack

The action pack is a deal MS offers developers or companies that develop for
or sell MS stuff.  For $300-400 they give you a ton of the latest software
and 10 licenses for all of it.  You are allowed to use it in house, but not
sell it or install it on any client machines.  It
includes:

Office Professional 2003
Office Publisher 2003
Office Frontpage 2003
Office Visio Professional 2003
Office Project Professional 2003
Business contact Manager for Outlook 2003
Office OneNote 2003
MapPoint 2004 Standard Edition
Windows XP Professional
Virtual PC 2004
Office Infopath 2003
Business Solutions CRM Professional
Windows Server 2003 Standard Edition
Windows Server 2003 Web Edition
Exchange Server 2003 Enterprise Edition
Office Project Server 2003
Office Sharepoint Server 2003
Office Live Communications Server 2003
SQL Server 2000 Standard Edition (damn!)
SQL Server 2000 Service Pack 3a
SQL Server Reporting Services
Mobile Information Server 2002
Swindows Sharepoint Services Standard 2003
Windows Small Business Server 2003 Premium Edition

What is all this stuff you may ask.  No idea.

The package appears to also come with some kind of training CD for each ofr
these things.  No books, must all be on CD.  A neat little (BIG) organizer
size canvas folder to hold the disks.  Nothing to hold the training
materials (C'mon MS, another folder to hold that and the sleeves hole
punched would have made it so much more professional).

http://members.microsoft.com/partner/salesmarketing/partnermarket/action
pack
/actionpackus.aspx

Watch for wrap.

I had been looking at this package for awhile in order to bring my office
into the modern age (as defined by MS).

So there you have it.  A lot of stuff for a medium price (one year license
though!).  But it gives you 10 licenses.  I can put XP on all my desktops,
Server 2003 on both my new "server" machines, look at and possibly use
Office 2003 on my machines etc.  I have a home office with 2 "server class"
machines and 2 desktop machines, plus one modern laptop and an old POS
laptop that I am currently re-installing Win2K Pro on. Being able to get a
consistent platform on everything might be nice.

I had hoped to see 64bit OS and SQL Server included - they apparently do
exists, but not in here.  8-(

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lonnie Johnson
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 2:48 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack


What's the main advantage to having the Action pack?

"John W. Colby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
I just got my MS Action pack, very nice. So much to know, so little time.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


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From jimdettman at earthlink.net  Thu Sep  9 08:06:58 2004
From: jimdettman at earthlink.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 09:06:58 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] AHOO!!!  Got my action pack
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312A3B@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <NEBBKADGELICHEJJCKGKCEMNKCAA.jimdettman@earthlink.net>

Charlotte,

  Actually it's geared for salesmen to sell and demo Microsoft products.

Jim Dettman
President,
Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
(315) 699-3443
jimdettman at earthlink.net 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 6:37 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack


The action pack isn't really for developers in that sense.  It's for
partners so that the entire office can work with the same versions of
the MS applications.  The developers tools are in the MSDN Universal
subscription.

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Waters [mailto:dwaters at usinternet.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 5:37 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack


John,

I didn't see Visual Studio for Applications on your list.  This would
allow setting up an installation package for Access Runtime.  I would
have guessed that this would have been included in a package for
developers.  Is it really missing?

Dan Waters

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 11:02 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack

The action pack is a deal MS offers developers or companies that develop
for or sell MS stuff.  For $300-400 they give you a ton of the latest
software and 10 licenses for all of it.  You are allowed to use it in
house, but not sell it or install it on any client machines.  It
includes:

Office Professional 2003
Office Publisher 2003
Office Frontpage 2003
Office Visio Professional 2003
Office Project Professional 2003
Business contact Manager for Outlook 2003
Office OneNote 2003
MapPoint 2004 Standard Edition
Windows XP Professional
Virtual PC 2004
Office Infopath 2003
Business Solutions CRM Professional
Windows Server 2003 Standard Edition
Windows Server 2003 Web Edition
Exchange Server 2003 Enterprise Edition
Office Project Server 2003
Office Sharepoint Server 2003
Office Live Communications Server 2003
SQL Server 2000 Standard Edition (damn!)
SQL Server 2000 Service Pack 3a
SQL Server Reporting Services
Mobile Information Server 2002
Swindows Sharepoint Services Standard 2003
Windows Small Business Server 2003 Premium Edition

What is all this stuff you may ask.  No idea.

The package appears to also come with some kind of training CD for each
ofr these things.  No books, must all be on CD.  A neat little (BIG)
organizer size canvas folder to hold the disks.  Nothing to hold the
training materials (C'mon MS, another folder to hold that and the
sleeves hole punched would have made it so much more professional).

http://members.microsoft.com/partner/salesmarketing/partnermarket/action
pack
/actionpackus.aspx

Watch for wrap.

I had been looking at this package for awhile in order to bring my
office into the modern age (as defined by MS).  

So there you have it.  A lot of stuff for a medium price (one year
license though!).  But it gives you 10 licenses.  I can put XP on all my
desktops, Server 2003 on both my new "server" machines, look at and
possibly use Office 2003 on my machines etc.  I have a home office with
2 "server class" machines and 2 desktop machines, plus one modern laptop
and an old POS laptop that I am currently re-installing Win2K Pro on.
Being able to get a consistent platform on everything might be nice.

I had hoped to see 64bit OS and SQL Server included - they apparently do
exists, but not in here.  8-(

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lonnie
Johnson
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 2:48 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack


What's the main advantage to having the Action pack?

"John W. Colby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
I just got my MS Action pack, very nice. So much to know, so little
time.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


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From bheid at appdevgrp.com  Thu Sep  9 09:07:40 2004
From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 10:07:40 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] AHOO!!!  Got my action pack
In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30986FF1@ADGSERVER>
Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA305BB7F2@ADGSERVER>

That sounds like the price for the academic version of MSDN Universal.

Provantage has the Universal version (non academic) for $2426.49
http://tinyurl.com/6wj8j
http://www.provantage.com/buy-7MCSN005-microsoft-developer-network-msdn-univ
ersal-v7-0-subscription-534-02125-shopping.htm

Enterprise edition (non academic) $1913.79
http://tinyurl.com/5uuro
http://www.provantage.com/buy-7MCSN008-microsoft-developer-network-msdn-ente
rprise-v7-0-subscription-shopping.htm

Enterprise edition (academic) $574.79
http://tinyurl.com/5qcct
http://www.provantage.com/buy-22062410-microsoft-developer-network-msdn-acad
emic-editions-enterprise-v7-0-subscription-ae-shopping.htm

They do not (that I can see) have the Universal academic version.

Bobby

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 9:04 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack


John (and all)

  Not that much more.  A full Action Pack subscription is $399.  I found a
MSDN Universal subscription for $875 last year.  Your talking a difference
of only $400 bucks.

Jim Dettman
President,
Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
(315) 699-3443
jimdettman at earthlink.net

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 8:20 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack


And the cost of that is MUCH more.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 6:37 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack


The action pack isn't really for developers in that sense.  It's for
partners so that the entire office can work with the same versions of the MS
applications.  The developers tools are in the MSDN Universal subscription.

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Waters [mailto:dwaters at usinternet.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 5:37 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack


John,

I didn't see Visual Studio for Applications on your list.  This would allow
setting up an installation package for Access Runtime.  I would have guessed
that this would have been included in a package for developers.  Is it
really missing?

Dan Waters

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 11:02 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack

The action pack is a deal MS offers developers or companies that develop for
or sell MS stuff.  For $300-400 they give you a ton of the latest software
and 10 licenses for all of it.  You are allowed to use it in house, but not
sell it or install it on any client machines.  It
includes:

Office Professional 2003
Office Publisher 2003
Office Frontpage 2003
Office Visio Professional 2003
Office Project Professional 2003
Business contact Manager for Outlook 2003
Office OneNote 2003
MapPoint 2004 Standard Edition
Windows XP Professional
Virtual PC 2004
Office Infopath 2003
Business Solutions CRM Professional
Windows Server 2003 Standard Edition
Windows Server 2003 Web Edition
Exchange Server 2003 Enterprise Edition
Office Project Server 2003
Office Sharepoint Server 2003
Office Live Communications Server 2003
SQL Server 2000 Standard Edition (damn!)
SQL Server 2000 Service Pack 3a
SQL Server Reporting Services
Mobile Information Server 2002
Swindows Sharepoint Services Standard 2003
Windows Small Business Server 2003 Premium Edition

What is all this stuff you may ask.  No idea.

The package appears to also come with some kind of training CD for each ofr
these things.  No books, must all be on CD.  A neat little (BIG) organizer
size canvas folder to hold the disks.  Nothing to hold the training
materials (C'mon MS, another folder to hold that and the sleeves hole
punched would have made it so much more professional).

http://members.microsoft.com/partner/salesmarketing/partnermarket/action
pack
/actionpackus.aspx

Watch for wrap.

I had been looking at this package for awhile in order to bring my office
into the modern age (as defined by MS).

So there you have it.  A lot of stuff for a medium price (one year license
though!).  But it gives you 10 licenses.  I can put XP on all my desktops,
Server 2003 on both my new "server" machines, look at and possibly use
Office 2003 on my machines etc.  I have a home office with 2 "server class"
machines and 2 desktop machines, plus one modern laptop and an old POS
laptop that I am currently re-installing Win2K Pro on. Being able to get a
consistent platform on everything might be nice.

I had hoped to see 64bit OS and SQL Server included - they apparently do
exists, but not in here.  8-(

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lonnie Johnson
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 2:48 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack


What's the main advantage to having the Action pack?

"John W. Colby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
I just got my MS Action pack, very nice. So much to know, so little time.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


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From GregSmith at starband.net  Wed Sep  8 09:42:15 2004
From: GregSmith at starband.net (Greg Smith)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 09:42:15 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [AccessD] AHOO!!!  Got my action pack
In-Reply-To: <001b01c49577$d3bcd030$80b3fea9@ColbyM6805>
References: <057e01c49561$9d9328d0$6601a8c0@HAL9002>
	<001b01c49577$d3bcd030$80b3fea9@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <1496.216.43.21.234.1094654535.squirrel@cetus.email.starband.net>

Hi everyone.

I have had the MS Action Pack now for two years and I really like it.  I
had to 'join' the Partners section this last spring in order to renew my
action pack for the next year, but that was at no additional cost to me.

The licensing is this:  You initially purchase the Action Pack for $xxx.xx
(I've heard different amounts, so whatever the price is) for the first
year.  You now have a one-year MS License for all of the products in the
Pack.  You can install, register, etc.  Just not sell.  At the end of the
licensing year (for you), you may renew your subscription for $199 for
another year's subscription or not.  If you renew, your Action Packs
(quarterly) continue.  If you do not renew, then, the caveat begins.  You
must remove all of the Action Pack software from your computers, and,
believe it or not, you DID agree to this when you signed up (somewhere in
the King James version of the licensing agreement...:P....).

Well, I'm continuing with the renewal because of the access to premium MS
software with valid licensing and a resonable price.  Where else could you
get 10 or more licenses of MS Office 2003 and Windows XP?  Legal copies,
no less either!  That in and of itself has paid for the Action Pack for
me.  Even if I DO have to renew each year.

Just my thoughts.

Greg Smith


> I don't know.  I know that the license "expires" after 1 year, but it
> appears that these are just real copies of these various things.  I
> doubt they quit working.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
> - Beach Access Software
> Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 1:07 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack
>
>
> John:
>
> Thanks for the rundown.  I've being trying to decide between that and
> the partner program.  This one looks god.  Except what's that about a
> one-year license.  Does your copy of Office 2003 crap out after one
> year?
>
> Rocky
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John W. Colby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 9:01 PM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack
>
>
>> The action pack is a deal MS offers developers or companies that
>> develop
> for
>> or sell MS stuff.  For $300-400 they give you a ton of the latest
>> software and 10 licenses for all of it.  You are allowed to use it in
>> house, but
> not
>> sell it or install it on any client machines.  It includes:
>>
>> Office Professional 2003
>> Office Publisher 2003
>> Office Frontpage 2003
>> Office Visio Professional 2003
>> Office Project Professional 2003
>> Business contact Manager for Outlook 2003
>> Office OneNote 2003
>> MapPoint 2004 Standard Edition
>> Windows XP Professional
>> Virtual PC 2004
>> Office Infopath 2003
>> Business Solutions CRM Professional
>> Windows Server 2003 Standard Edition
>> Windows Server 2003 Web Edition
>> Exchange Server 2003 Enterprise Edition
>> Office Project Server 2003
>> Office Sharepoint Server 2003
>> Office Live Communications Server 2003
>> SQL Server 2000 Standard Edition (damn!)
>> SQL Server 2000 Service Pack 3a
>> SQL Server Reporting Services
>> Mobile Information Server 2002
>> Swindows Sharepoint Services Standard 2003
>> Windows Small Business Server 2003 Premium Edition
>>
>> What is all this stuff you may ask.  No idea.
>>
>> The package appears to also come with some kind of training CD for
>> each
> ofr
>> these things.  No books, must all be on CD.  A neat little (BIG)
>> organizer size canvas folder to hold the disks.  Nothing to hold the
>> training materials (C'mon MS, another folder to hold that and the
>> sleeves hole punched would have made it so much more professional).
>>
>>
> http://members.microsoft.com/partner/salesmarketing/partnermarket/actionpack
>> /actionpackus.aspx
>>
>> Watch for wrap.
>>
>> I had been looking at this package for awhile in order to bring my
>> office into the modern age (as defined by MS).
>>
>> So there you have it.  A lot of stuff for a medium price (one year
>> license though!).  But it gives you 10 licenses.  I can put XP on all
>> my desktops, Server 2003 on both my new "server" machines, look at and
>>  possibly use Office 2003 on my machines etc.  I have a home office
>> with 2 "server
> class"
>> machines and 2 desktop machines, plus one modern laptop and an old POS
>>  laptop that I am currently re-installing Win2K Pro on.  Being able to
>>  get
> a
>> consistent platform on everything might be nice.
>>
>> I had hoped to see 64bit OS and SQL Server included - they apparently
>> do exists, but not in here.  8-(
>>
>> John W. Colby
>> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lonnie
>> Johnson
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 2:48 PM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack
>>
>>
>> What's the main advantage to having the Action pack?
>>
>> "John W. Colby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
>> I just got my MS Action pack, very nice. So much to know, so little
>> time.
>>
>> John W. Colby
>> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>>
>>
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From awithing at twcny.rr.com  Thu Sep  9 09:24:07 2004
From: awithing at twcny.rr.com (augusta)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 10:24:07 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Shrinking fields in a report
In-Reply-To: <000701c49660$57083900$7109a845@hargrove.internal>
Message-ID: <200409091424.i89EOAZx021968@ms-smtp-01.nyroc.rr.com>

Yes I do have fields on the same line and they are all set to CanShrink.
There are no labels. . . 

Still does not shrink.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mike & Doris
Manning
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 7:30 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Shrinking fields in a report

If you have fields on the same line, then the line won't be able to shrink
unless all the fields can shrink.

Doris Manning
Database Administrator
Hargrove Inc.
www.hargroveinc.com


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of augusta
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 2:11 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Shrinking fields in a report


I have a report that contains basic info - Memname, business name, friends
name, address, and total sum contributed.

In the report I have on the left hand side name, business, friends name. The
middle (ideally on the same line) address, and then alittle over (once again
on the same line) is the Total Sum.

I have set all the fields to shrink, but when there is only a business and
friend name to the record, it does not shrink all the way. But when there is
a Memname and friend name, it does. This is a mystery. Any clues? IS there a
limit to the number of fields that can shrink?

Thanks 

Augusta


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From john at winhaven.net  Thu Sep  9 09:28:36 2004
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 09:28:36 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] AHOO!!!  Got my action pack
In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA305BB7F2@ADGSERVER>
Message-ID: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJAECJHJAA.john@winhaven.net>

No, full version! Jim steered me to buying MSDN Universal from a eBay site
rather than direct from MS. Saved big time. In fact because of the savings I
make because of this one piece of advice (that I got on this list) I now
consistently donate $120 a year ($10 per month) to AccessD to help keep it
going. I urge you all to do the same!

You get everything with MSDN Universal, including development. For the cost
of this you come out way ahead of just purchasing Office developer. You get
all the Windows OSs, You get SQL Server, SBS, VS.Net, yada, yada, yada. In
fact, before I got it all on DVD instead of CD it was almost too much!

While the action pack sounds nice, for developer (IMO) MSDN Universal 'tis
the way to go!

John B.

PS: thanks again Jim and AccessD!

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Bobby Heid
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 9:08 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack


That sounds like the price for the academic version of MSDN Universal.

Provantage has the Universal version (non academic) for $2426.49
http://tinyurl.com/6wj8j
http://www.provantage.com/buy-7MCSN005-microsoft-developer-network-msdn-univ
ersal-v7-0-subscription-534-02125-shopping.htm

Enterprise edition (non academic) $1913.79
http://tinyurl.com/5uuro
http://www.provantage.com/buy-7MCSN008-microsoft-developer-network-msdn-ente
rprise-v7-0-subscription-shopping.htm

Enterprise edition (academic) $574.79
http://tinyurl.com/5qcct
http://www.provantage.com/buy-22062410-microsoft-developer-network-msdn-acad
emic-editions-enterprise-v7-0-subscription-ae-shopping.htm

They do not (that I can see) have the Universal academic version.

Bobby

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 9:04 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack


John (and all)

  Not that much more.  A full Action Pack subscription is $399.  I found a
MSDN Universal subscription for $875 last year.  Your talking a difference
of only $400 bucks.

Jim Dettman
President,
Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
(315) 699-3443
jimdettman at earthlink.net

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 8:20 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack


And the cost of that is MUCH more.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 6:37 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack


The action pack isn't really for developers in that sense.  It's for
partners so that the entire office can work with the same versions of the MS
applications.  The developers tools are in the MSDN Universal subscription.

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Waters [mailto:dwaters at usinternet.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 5:37 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack


John,

I didn't see Visual Studio for Applications on your list.  This would allow
setting up an installation package for Access Runtime.  I would have guessed
that this would have been included in a package for developers.  Is it
really missing?

Dan Waters

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 11:02 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack

The action pack is a deal MS offers developers or companies that develop for
or sell MS stuff.  For $300-400 they give you a ton of the latest software
and 10 licenses for all of it.  You are allowed to use it in house, but not
sell it or install it on any client machines.  It
includes:

Office Professional 2003
Office Publisher 2003
Office Frontpage 2003
Office Visio Professional 2003
Office Project Professional 2003
Business contact Manager for Outlook 2003
Office OneNote 2003
MapPoint 2004 Standard Edition
Windows XP Professional
Virtual PC 2004
Office Infopath 2003
Business Solutions CRM Professional
Windows Server 2003 Standard Edition
Windows Server 2003 Web Edition
Exchange Server 2003 Enterprise Edition
Office Project Server 2003
Office Sharepoint Server 2003
Office Live Communications Server 2003
SQL Server 2000 Standard Edition (damn!)
SQL Server 2000 Service Pack 3a
SQL Server Reporting Services
Mobile Information Server 2002
Swindows Sharepoint Services Standard 2003
Windows Small Business Server 2003 Premium Edition

What is all this stuff you may ask.  No idea.

The package appears to also come with some kind of training CD for each ofr
these things.  No books, must all be on CD.  A neat little (BIG) organizer
size canvas folder to hold the disks.  Nothing to hold the training
materials (C'mon MS, another folder to hold that and the sleeves hole
punched would have made it so much more professional).

http://members.microsoft.com/partner/salesmarketing/partnermarket/action
pack
/actionpackus.aspx

Watch for wrap.

I had been looking at this package for awhile in order to bring my office
into the modern age (as defined by MS).

So there you have it.  A lot of stuff for a medium price (one year license
though!).  But it gives you 10 licenses.  I can put XP on all my desktops,
Server 2003 on both my new "server" machines, look at and possibly use
Office 2003 on my machines etc.  I have a home office with 2 "server class"
machines and 2 desktop machines, plus one modern laptop and an old POS
laptop that I am currently re-installing Win2K Pro on. Being able to get a
consistent platform on everything might be nice.

I had hoped to see 64bit OS and SQL Server included - they apparently do
exists, but not in here.  8-(

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lonnie Johnson
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 2:48 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack


What's the main advantage to having the Action pack?

"John W. Colby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
I just got my MS Action pack, very nice. So much to know, so little time.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


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From R.Griffiths at bury.gov.uk  Thu Sep  9 09:29:31 2004
From: R.Griffiths at bury.gov.uk (Griffiths, Richard)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 15:29:31 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] A2K of AXP
Message-ID: <F37DAC9A2964B144A2973EBCA8C54DBDABD3CE@BURY2K23.bury.gov.uk>

Hi

 

I have been a very happy developer using A97, I am now about to user AXP
as a backend.  I have now to decide which format of BE to user A2000 of
A2002.

 

Can anyone please advise. BTW the FE will be VB.net (if this makes a
difference)

 

TIA

 

Richard



From jimdettman at earthlink.net  Thu Sep  9 09:31:11 2004
From: jimdettman at earthlink.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 10:31:11 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] AHOO!!!  Got my action pack
In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA305BB7F2@ADGSERVER>
Message-ID: <NEBBKADGELICHEJJCKGKEENDKCAA.jimdettman@earthlink.net>

Bobby,

<<That sounds like the price for the academic version of MSDN Universal.>>

  No, it's the price for the full version.  The prices published by
Microsoft are suggested list prices.  Microsoft Partners however can sell
them for whatever they like.

  I too was skeptical at first, but I've purchased three years running
through this reseller and have not had a single problem.  First time around
I even called Microsoft to confirm that I had a valid subscription.

  BTW, I just double checked and the price has gone up.  $875 was the first
year, $1055 second, and $1175 this past year.  So  there is a bigger
difference then $400.  I think though that I got the $300 off rebate all 3
years for ordering on DVD.  I'd have to go back and check on that.

Jim Dettman
President,
Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
(315) 699-3443
jimdettman at earthlink.net

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Bobby Heid
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 10:08 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack


That sounds like the price for the academic version of MSDN Universal.

Provantage has the Universal version (non academic) for $2426.49
http://tinyurl.com/6wj8j
http://www.provantage.com/buy-7MCSN005-microsoft-developer-network-msdn-univ
ersal-v7-0-subscription-534-02125-shopping.htm

Enterprise edition (non academic) $1913.79
http://tinyurl.com/5uuro
http://www.provantage.com/buy-7MCSN008-microsoft-developer-network-msdn-ente
rprise-v7-0-subscription-shopping.htm

Enterprise edition (academic) $574.79
http://tinyurl.com/5qcct
http://www.provantage.com/buy-22062410-microsoft-developer-network-msdn-acad
emic-editions-enterprise-v7-0-subscription-ae-shopping.htm

They do not (that I can see) have the Universal academic version.

Bobby

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 9:04 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack


John (and all)

  Not that much more.  A full Action Pack subscription is $399.  I found a
MSDN Universal subscription for $875 last year.  Your talking a difference
of only $400 bucks.

Jim Dettman
President,
Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
(315) 699-3443
jimdettman at earthlink.net

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 8:20 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack


And the cost of that is MUCH more.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 6:37 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack


The action pack isn't really for developers in that sense.  It's for
partners so that the entire office can work with the same versions of the MS
applications.  The developers tools are in the MSDN Universal subscription.

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Waters [mailto:dwaters at usinternet.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 5:37 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack


John,

I didn't see Visual Studio for Applications on your list.  This would allow
setting up an installation package for Access Runtime.  I would have guessed
that this would have been included in a package for developers.  Is it
really missing?

Dan Waters

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 11:02 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack

The action pack is a deal MS offers developers or companies that develop for
or sell MS stuff.  For $300-400 they give you a ton of the latest software
and 10 licenses for all of it.  You are allowed to use it in house, but not
sell it or install it on any client machines.  It
includes:

Office Professional 2003
Office Publisher 2003
Office Frontpage 2003
Office Visio Professional 2003
Office Project Professional 2003
Business contact Manager for Outlook 2003
Office OneNote 2003
MapPoint 2004 Standard Edition
Windows XP Professional
Virtual PC 2004
Office Infopath 2003
Business Solutions CRM Professional
Windows Server 2003 Standard Edition
Windows Server 2003 Web Edition
Exchange Server 2003 Enterprise Edition
Office Project Server 2003
Office Sharepoint Server 2003
Office Live Communications Server 2003
SQL Server 2000 Standard Edition (damn!)
SQL Server 2000 Service Pack 3a
SQL Server Reporting Services
Mobile Information Server 2002
Swindows Sharepoint Services Standard 2003
Windows Small Business Server 2003 Premium Edition

What is all this stuff you may ask.  No idea.

The package appears to also come with some kind of training CD for each ofr
these things.  No books, must all be on CD.  A neat little (BIG) organizer
size canvas folder to hold the disks.  Nothing to hold the training
materials (C'mon MS, another folder to hold that and the sleeves hole
punched would have made it so much more professional).

http://members.microsoft.com/partner/salesmarketing/partnermarket/action
pack
/actionpackus.aspx

Watch for wrap.

I had been looking at this package for awhile in order to bring my office
into the modern age (as defined by MS).

So there you have it.  A lot of stuff for a medium price (one year license
though!).  But it gives you 10 licenses.  I can put XP on all my desktops,
Server 2003 on both my new "server" machines, look at and possibly use
Office 2003 on my machines etc.  I have a home office with 2 "server class"
machines and 2 desktop machines, plus one modern laptop and an old POS
laptop that I am currently re-installing Win2K Pro on. Being able to get a
consistent platform on everything might be nice.

I had hoped to see 64bit OS and SQL Server included - they apparently do
exists, but not in here.  8-(

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lonnie Johnson
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 2:48 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack


What's the main advantage to having the Action pack?

"John W. Colby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
I just got my MS Action pack, very nice. So much to know, so little time.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Sep  9 09:53:48 2004
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 10:53:48 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] AHOO!!!  Got my action pack
In-Reply-To: <1496.216.43.21.234.1094654535.squirrel@cetus.email.starband.net>
Message-ID: <004701c4967c$d38730a0$80b3fea9@ColbyM6805>

>Where else could you get 10 or more licenses of MS Office 2003 and Windows
XP?  Legal copies, no less either!

And that was my thought exactly.  Not to mention legal seats for SQL Server,
various server editions etc.

I have 5 computers running a mishmash of software.  With the action pack I
will get my two new machines running Windows Server 2000.  SQL Server on
one, IIS server on the other.  XP Pro on my workstations.  Office 2003 on
all the workstations.  I've always wanted to learn more about things like
exchange server so I can set it up as well.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Greg Smith
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 10:42 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack


Hi everyone.

I have had the MS Action Pack now for two years and I really like it.  I had
to 'join' the Partners section this last spring in order to renew my action
pack for the next year, but that was at no additional cost to me.

The licensing is this:  You initially purchase the Action Pack for $xxx.xx
(I've heard different amounts, so whatever the price is) for the first year.
You now have a one-year MS License for all of the products in the Pack.  You
can install, register, etc.  Just not sell.  At the end of the licensing
year (for you), you may renew your subscription for $199 for another year's
subscription or not.  If you renew, your Action Packs
(quarterly) continue.  If you do not renew, then, the caveat begins.  You
must remove all of the Action Pack software from your computers, and,
believe it or not, you DID agree to this when you signed up (somewhere in
the King James version of the licensing agreement...:P....).

Well, I'm continuing with the renewal because of the access to premium MS
software with valid licensing and a resonable price.  Where else could you
get 10 or more licenses of MS Office 2003 and Windows XP?  Legal copies, no
less either!  That in and of itself has paid for the Action Pack for me.
Even if I DO have to renew each year.

Just my thoughts.

Greg Smith


> I don't know.  I know that the license "expires" after 1 year, but it 
> appears that these are just real copies of these various things.  I 
> doubt they quit working.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky 
> Smolin
> - Beach Access Software
> Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 1:07 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack
>
>
> John:
>
> Thanks for the rundown.  I've being trying to decide between that and 
> the partner program.  This one looks god.  Except what's that about a 
> one-year license.  Does your copy of Office 2003 crap out after one 
> year?
>
> Rocky
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John W. Colby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 9:01 PM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack
>
>
>> The action pack is a deal MS offers developers or companies that 
>> develop
> for
>> or sell MS stuff.  For $300-400 they give you a ton of the latest 
>> software and 10 licenses for all of it.  You are allowed to use it in 
>> house, but
> not
>> sell it or install it on any client machines.  It includes:
>>
>> Office Professional 2003
>> Office Publisher 2003
>> Office Frontpage 2003
>> Office Visio Professional 2003
>> Office Project Professional 2003
>> Business contact Manager for Outlook 2003
>> Office OneNote 2003
>> MapPoint 2004 Standard Edition
>> Windows XP Professional
>> Virtual PC 2004
>> Office Infopath 2003
>> Business Solutions CRM Professional
>> Windows Server 2003 Standard Edition
>> Windows Server 2003 Web Edition
>> Exchange Server 2003 Enterprise Edition
>> Office Project Server 2003
>> Office Sharepoint Server 2003
>> Office Live Communications Server 2003
>> SQL Server 2000 Standard Edition (damn!)
>> SQL Server 2000 Service Pack 3a
>> SQL Server Reporting Services
>> Mobile Information Server 2002
>> Swindows Sharepoint Services Standard 2003
>> Windows Small Business Server 2003 Premium Edition
>>
>> What is all this stuff you may ask.  No idea.
>>
>> The package appears to also come with some kind of training CD for 
>> each
> ofr
>> these things.  No books, must all be on CD.  A neat little (BIG) 
>> organizer size canvas folder to hold the disks.  Nothing to hold the 
>> training materials (C'mon MS, another folder to hold that and the 
>> sleeves hole punched would have made it so much more professional).
>>
>>
> http://members.microsoft.com/partner/salesmarketing/partnermarket/acti
> onpack
>> /actionpackus.aspx
>>
>> Watch for wrap.
>>
>> I had been looking at this package for awhile in order to bring my 
>> office into the modern age (as defined by MS).
>>
>> So there you have it.  A lot of stuff for a medium price (one year 
>> license though!).  But it gives you 10 licenses.  I can put XP on all 
>> my desktops, Server 2003 on both my new "server" machines, look at 
>> and  possibly use Office 2003 on my machines etc.  I have a home 
>> office with 2 "server
> class"
>> machines and 2 desktop machines, plus one modern laptop and an old 
>> POS  laptop that I am currently re-installing Win2K Pro on.  Being 
>> able to  get
> a
>> consistent platform on everything might be nice.
>>
>> I had hoped to see 64bit OS and SQL Server included - they apparently 
>> do exists, but not in here.  8-(
>>
>> John W. Colby
>> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lonnie 
>> Johnson
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 2:48 PM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack
>>
>>
>> What's the main advantage to having the Action pack?
>>
>> "John W. Colby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
>> I just got my MS Action pack, very nice. So much to know, so little 
>> time.
>>
>> John W. Colby
>> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>>
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From bheid at appdevgrp.com  Thu Sep  9 09:57:36 2004
From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 10:57:36 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Shrinking fields in a report
In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA3098701E@ADGSERVER>
Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA305BB7F5@ADGSERVER>

All of the fields have to be empty for them all to shrink.

Bobby

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of augusta
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 10:24 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Shrinking fields in a report


Yes I do have fields on the same line and they are all set to CanShrink.
There are no labels. . . 

Still does not shrink.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mike & Doris
Manning
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 7:30 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Shrinking fields in a report

If you have fields on the same line, then the line won't be able to shrink
unless all the fields can shrink.

Doris Manning
Database Administrator
Hargrove Inc.
www.hargroveinc.com


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of augusta
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 2:11 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Shrinking fields in a report


I have a report that contains basic info - Memname, business name, friends
name, address, and total sum contributed.

In the report I have on the left hand side name, business, friends name. The
middle (ideally on the same line) address, and then alittle over (once again
on the same line) is the Total Sum.

I have set all the fields to shrink, but when there is only a business and
friend name to the record, it does not shrink all the way. But when there is
a Memname and friend name, it does. This is a mystery. Any clues? IS there a
limit to the number of fields that can shrink?

Thanks 

Augusta


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From BBarabash at TappeConstruction.com  Thu Sep  9 10:03:29 2004
From: BBarabash at TappeConstruction.com (Brett Barabash)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 10:03:29 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] AHOO!!!  Got my action pack
Message-ID: <100F91B31300334B89EC531C9DCB0865065937@tccexch01.tappeconstruction.net>

Jim,
I talked to your contact in April before purchasing our subscriptions,
and was quoted a price of $1675 each.  He pointed out the Microsoft has
changed their distribution strategy and thus has gained more control
over prices being charged by independent vendors :-(

I shopped around and ended up purchasing from these guys:
http://www.softwaremore-usa.com/msun70.html

FULL MSDN Universal 7.0 subscription for $1050.00.  Not an academic
edition, and the disks shipped immediately from MS headquarters.  I
would highly recommend this vendor.

(Back when I purchased mine, MS also had a $300.00 rebate for purchasing
this software on DVD.  Unfortunately it is no more...)

Bobby,
Don't waste your time on an Academic subscription.  The licensing
agreements normally prohibit using it to develop software for clients.

All,
Even though the MSDN subscription (and updates) lasts for only a year,
the software has a perpetual license:
http://msdn.microsoft.com/subscriptions/faq/default.aspx#licensing

However, there are certain limitations to the use of the software (e.g.
you can use SQL Server for development, but you can't run your company's
DB server with it!)


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby Heid
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 9:08 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack


That sounds like the price for the academic version of MSDN Universal.

Provantage has the Universal version (non academic) for $2426.49
http://tinyurl.com/6wj8j
http://www.provantage.com/buy-7MCSN005-microsoft-developer-network-msdn-
univ
ersal-v7-0-subscription-534-02125-shopping.htm

Enterprise edition (non academic) $1913.79 http://tinyurl.com/5uuro
http://www.provantage.com/buy-7MCSN008-microsoft-developer-network-msdn-
ente
rprise-v7-0-subscription-shopping.htm

Enterprise edition (academic) $574.79
http://tinyurl.com/5qcct
http://www.provantage.com/buy-22062410-microsoft-developer-network-msdn-
acad
emic-editions-enterprise-v7-0-subscription-ae-shopping.htm

They do not (that I can see) have the Universal academic version.

Bobby

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 9:04 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack


John (and all)

  Not that much more.  A full Action Pack subscription is $399.  I found
a MSDN Universal subscription for $875 last year.  Your talking a
difference of only $400 bucks.

Jim Dettman
President,
Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
(315) 699-3443
jimdettman at earthlink.net

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 8:20 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack


And the cost of that is MUCH more.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 6:37 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack


The action pack isn't really for developers in that sense.  It's for
partners so that the entire office can work with the same versions of
the MS applications.  The developers tools are in the MSDN Universal
subscription.

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Waters [mailto:dwaters at usinternet.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 5:37 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack


John,

I didn't see Visual Studio for Applications on your list.  This would
allow setting up an installation package for Access Runtime.  I would
have guessed that this would have been included in a package for
developers.  Is it really missing?

Dan Waters

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 11:02 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack

The action pack is a deal MS offers developers or companies that develop
for or sell MS stuff.  For $300-400 they give you a ton of the latest
software and 10 licenses for all of it.  You are allowed to use it in
house, but not sell it or install it on any client machines.  It
includes:

Office Professional 2003
Office Publisher 2003
Office Frontpage 2003
Office Visio Professional 2003
Office Project Professional 2003
Business contact Manager for Outlook 2003 Office OneNote 2003 MapPoint
2004 Standard Edition Windows XP Professional Virtual PC 2004 Office
Infopath 2003 Business Solutions CRM Professional Windows Server 2003
Standard Edition Windows Server 2003 Web Edition Exchange Server 2003
Enterprise Edition Office Project Server 2003 Office Sharepoint Server
2003 Office Live Communications Server 2003 SQL Server 2000 Standard
Edition (damn!) SQL Server 2000 Service Pack 3a SQL Server Reporting
Services Mobile Information Server 2002 Swindows Sharepoint Services
Standard 2003 Windows Small Business Server 2003 Premium Edition

What is all this stuff you may ask.  No idea.

The package appears to also come with some kind of training CD for each
ofr these things.  No books, must all be on CD.  A neat little (BIG)
organizer size canvas folder to hold the disks.  Nothing to hold the
training materials (C'mon MS, another folder to hold that and the
sleeves hole punched would have made it so much more professional).

http://members.microsoft.com/partner/salesmarketing/partnermarket/action
pack
/actionpackus.aspx

Watch for wrap.

I had been looking at this package for awhile in order to bring my
office into the modern age (as defined by MS).

So there you have it.  A lot of stuff for a medium price (one year
license though!).  But it gives you 10 licenses.  I can put XP on all my
desktops, Server 2003 on both my new "server" machines, look at and
possibly use Office 2003 on my machines etc.  I have a home office with
2 "server class"
machines and 2 desktop machines, plus one modern laptop and an old POS
laptop that I am currently re-installing Win2K Pro on. Being able to get
a consistent platform on everything might be nice.

I had hoped to see 64bit OS and SQL Server included - they apparently do
exists, but not in here.  8-(

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lonnie
Johnson
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 2:48 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack


What's the main advantage to having the Action pack?

"John W. Colby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
I just got my MS Action pack, very nice. So much to know, so little
time.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


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From jimdettman at earthlink.net  Thu Sep  9 10:37:11 2004
From: jimdettman at earthlink.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 11:37:11 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] AHOO!!!  Got my action pack
In-Reply-To: <100F91B31300334B89EC531C9DCB0865065937@tccexch01.tappeconstruction.net>
Message-ID: <NEBBKADGELICHEJJCKGKCENIKCAA.jimdettman@earthlink.net>

Brett,

<<He pointed out the Microsoft has
changed their distribution strategy and thus has gained more control
over prices being charged by independent vendors :-(>>

 Bummer.  Thanks for passing that link along though!  My subscription is
going to be up soon<g>.


Jim Dettman
President,
Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
(315) 699-3443
jimdettman at earthlink.net

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Brett Barabash
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 11:03 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack


Jim,
I talked to your contact in April before purchasing our subscriptions,
and was quoted a price of $1675 each.  He pointed out the Microsoft has
changed their distribution strategy and thus has gained more control
over prices being charged by independent vendors :-(

I shopped around and ended up purchasing from these guys:
http://www.softwaremore-usa.com/msun70.html

FULL MSDN Universal 7.0 subscription for $1050.00.  Not an academic
edition, and the disks shipped immediately from MS headquarters.  I
would highly recommend this vendor.

(Back when I purchased mine, MS also had a $300.00 rebate for purchasing
this software on DVD.  Unfortunately it is no more...)

Bobby,
Don't waste your time on an Academic subscription.  The licensing
agreements normally prohibit using it to develop software for clients.

All,
Even though the MSDN subscription (and updates) lasts for only a year,
the software has a perpetual license:
http://msdn.microsoft.com/subscriptions/faq/default.aspx#licensing

However, there are certain limitations to the use of the software (e.g.
you can use SQL Server for development, but you can't run your company's
DB server with it!)


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby Heid
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 9:08 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack


That sounds like the price for the academic version of MSDN Universal.

Provantage has the Universal version (non academic) for $2426.49
http://tinyurl.com/6wj8j
http://www.provantage.com/buy-7MCSN005-microsoft-developer-network-msdn-
univ
ersal-v7-0-subscription-534-02125-shopping.htm

Enterprise edition (non academic) $1913.79 http://tinyurl.com/5uuro
http://www.provantage.com/buy-7MCSN008-microsoft-developer-network-msdn-
ente
rprise-v7-0-subscription-shopping.htm

Enterprise edition (academic) $574.79
http://tinyurl.com/5qcct
http://www.provantage.com/buy-22062410-microsoft-developer-network-msdn-
acad
emic-editions-enterprise-v7-0-subscription-ae-shopping.htm

They do not (that I can see) have the Universal academic version.

Bobby

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 9:04 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack


John (and all)

  Not that much more.  A full Action Pack subscription is $399.  I found
a MSDN Universal subscription for $875 last year.  Your talking a
difference of only $400 bucks.

Jim Dettman
President,
Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
(315) 699-3443
jimdettman at earthlink.net

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 8:20 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack


And the cost of that is MUCH more.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 6:37 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack


The action pack isn't really for developers in that sense.  It's for
partners so that the entire office can work with the same versions of
the MS applications.  The developers tools are in the MSDN Universal
subscription.

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Waters [mailto:dwaters at usinternet.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 5:37 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack


John,

I didn't see Visual Studio for Applications on your list.  This would
allow setting up an installation package for Access Runtime.  I would
have guessed that this would have been included in a package for
developers.  Is it really missing?

Dan Waters

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 11:02 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack

The action pack is a deal MS offers developers or companies that develop
for or sell MS stuff.  For $300-400 they give you a ton of the latest
software and 10 licenses for all of it.  You are allowed to use it in
house, but not sell it or install it on any client machines.  It
includes:

Office Professional 2003
Office Publisher 2003
Office Frontpage 2003
Office Visio Professional 2003
Office Project Professional 2003
Business contact Manager for Outlook 2003 Office OneNote 2003 MapPoint
2004 Standard Edition Windows XP Professional Virtual PC 2004 Office
Infopath 2003 Business Solutions CRM Professional Windows Server 2003
Standard Edition Windows Server 2003 Web Edition Exchange Server 2003
Enterprise Edition Office Project Server 2003 Office Sharepoint Server
2003 Office Live Communications Server 2003 SQL Server 2000 Standard
Edition (damn!) SQL Server 2000 Service Pack 3a SQL Server Reporting
Services Mobile Information Server 2002 Swindows Sharepoint Services
Standard 2003 Windows Small Business Server 2003 Premium Edition

What is all this stuff you may ask.  No idea.

The package appears to also come with some kind of training CD for each
ofr these things.  No books, must all be on CD.  A neat little (BIG)
organizer size canvas folder to hold the disks.  Nothing to hold the
training materials (C'mon MS, another folder to hold that and the
sleeves hole punched would have made it so much more professional).

http://members.microsoft.com/partner/salesmarketing/partnermarket/action
pack
/actionpackus.aspx

Watch for wrap.

I had been looking at this package for awhile in order to bring my
office into the modern age (as defined by MS).

So there you have it.  A lot of stuff for a medium price (one year
license though!).  But it gives you 10 licenses.  I can put XP on all my
desktops, Server 2003 on both my new "server" machines, look at and
possibly use Office 2003 on my machines etc.  I have a home office with
2 "server class"
machines and 2 desktop machines, plus one modern laptop and an old POS
laptop that I am currently re-installing Win2K Pro on. Being able to get
a consistent platform on everything might be nice.

I had hoped to see 64bit OS and SQL Server included - they apparently do
exists, but not in here.  8-(

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lonnie
Johnson
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 2:48 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack


What's the main advantage to having the Action pack?

"John W. Colby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
I just got my MS Action pack, very nice. So much to know, so little
time.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


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From mikedorism at adelphia.net  Thu Sep  9 10:52:55 2004
From: mikedorism at adelphia.net (Mike & Doris Manning)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 11:52:55 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Shrinking fields in a report
In-Reply-To: <200409091424.i89EOAZx021968@ms-smtp-01.nyroc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <000001c49685$128e50f0$7109a845@hargrove.internal>

Is the section CanShrink property set to Yes?

Doris Manning
Database Administrator
Hargrove Inc.
www.hargroveinc.com


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of augusta
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 10:24 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Shrinking fields in a report


Yes I do have fields on the same line and they are all set to CanShrink.
There are no labels. . . 

Still does not shrink.

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mike & Doris
Manning
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 7:30 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Shrinking fields in a report

If you have fields on the same line, then the line won't be able to shrink
unless all the fields can shrink.

Doris Manning
Database Administrator
Hargrove Inc.
www.hargroveinc.com


-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of augusta
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 2:11 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Shrinking fields in a report


I have a report that contains basic info - Memname, business name, friends
name, address, and total sum contributed.

In the report I have on the left hand side name, business, friends name. The
middle (ideally on the same line) address, and then alittle over (once again
on the same line) is the Total Sum.

I have set all the fields to shrink, but when there is only a business and
friend name to the record, it does not shrink all the way. But when there is
a Memname and friend name, it does. This is a mystery. Any clues? IS there a
limit to the number of fields that can shrink?

Thanks 

Augusta


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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Thu Sep  9 11:09:40 2004
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 17:09:40 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] DLL question (was Broadcast a message)
Message-ID: <20040909160937.04CF725F1FD@smtp.nildram.co.uk>

Am trying to use Novell messaging for broadcasting messages, and have code
(thanks for pointer Gustav) to use API calls in NWNETAPI.DLL. But whenever I
run the code I get a "Path not found: NWNETAPI.DLL" error. Even if I put the
specific location of the DLL I still get it. Does this mean it uses other
DLL's, and if so how do I find out what else I need? Or what else could it
be?

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu Sep  9 11:19:52 2004
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 09:19:52 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] A2K of AXP
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312A3E@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Use the 2000 format to avoid the bloat caused by the pesky extra system
table in 2002 format.  The only reason to use 2002 is so you can create
an mde, which has to be in the format of the version that creates it.

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Griffiths, Richard [mailto:R.Griffiths at bury.gov.uk] 
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 7:30 AM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] A2K of AXP


Hi

 

I have been a very happy developer using A97, I am now about to user AXP
as a backend.  I have now to decide which format of BE to user A2000 of
A2002.

 

Can anyone please advise. BTW the FE will be VB.net (if this makes a
difference)

 

TIA

 

Richard

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu Sep  9 11:22:35 2004
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 09:22:35 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] AHOO!!!  Got my action pack
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312A3F@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Ah, but the developer tools aren't in Access, they're part of VSTO.  MS
seems to be pushing ever harder to make Access an end-user tool.

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 4:55 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack


I don't know.  It has Office, with Access I believe.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 4:40 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack


Hi John

> .. There is NOTHING development oriented in there.

Not even Access ...

/gustav

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu Sep  9 11:24:59 2004
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 09:24:59 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] AHOO!!!  Got my action pack
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312A40@infoserver01.infostat.local>

That's a stand alone developer product.  It is NOT part of the action
pack but it is in MSDN Universal.  Of course, you can also buy it off
the shelp. <g>

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Waters [mailto:dwaters at usinternet.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 8:30 AM
To: Database Advisors
Subject: FW: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack


John,

I didn't see Visual Studio for Applications on your list.  This would
allow setting up an installation package for Access Runtime.  I would
have guessed that this would have been included in a package for
developers.  Is it really missing?

Dan Waters

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 11:02 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack

The action pack is a deal MS offers developers or companies that develop
for or sell MS stuff.  For $300-400 they give you a ton of the latest
software and 10 licenses for all of it.  You are allowed to use it in
house, but not sell it or install it on any client machines.  It
includes:

Office Professional 2003
Office Publisher 2003
Office Frontpage 2003
Office Visio Professional 2003
Office Project Professional 2003
Business contact Manager for Outlook 2003
Office OneNote 2003
MapPoint 2004 Standard Edition
Windows XP Professional
Virtual PC 2004
Office Infopath 2003
Business Solutions CRM Professional
Windows Server 2003 Standard Edition
Windows Server 2003 Web Edition
Exchange Server 2003 Enterprise Edition
Office Project Server 2003
Office Sharepoint Server 2003
Office Live Communications Server 2003
SQL Server 2000 Standard Edition (damn!)
SQL Server 2000 Service Pack 3a
SQL Server Reporting Services
Mobile Information Server 2002
Swindows Sharepoint Services Standard 2003
Windows Small Business Server 2003 Premium Edition

What is all this stuff you may ask.  No idea.

The package appears to also come with some kind of training CD for each
ofr these things.  No books, must all be on CD.  A neat little (BIG)
organizer size canvas folder to hold the disks.  Nothing to hold the
training materials (C'mon MS, another folder to hold that and the
sleeves hole punched would have made it so much more professional).

http://members.microsoft.com/partner/salesmarketing/partnermarket/action
pack
/actionpackus.aspx

Watch for wrap.

I had been looking at this package for awhile in order to bring my
office into the modern age (as defined by MS).  

So there you have it.  A lot of stuff for a medium price (one year
license though!).  But it gives you 10 licenses.  I can put XP on all my
desktops, Server 2003 on both my new "server" machines, look at and
possibly use Office 2003 on my machines etc.  I have a home office with
2 "server class" machines and 2 desktop machines, plus one modern laptop
and an old POS laptop that I am currently re-installing Win2K Pro on.
Being able to get a consistent platform on everything might be nice.

I had hoped to see 64bit OS and SQL Server included - they apparently do
exists, but not in here.  8-(

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lonnie
Johnson
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 2:48 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack


What's the main advantage to having the Action pack?

"John W. Colby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
I just got my MS Action pack, very nice. So much to know, so little
time.

John W. Colby
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From DElam at jenkens.com  Thu Sep  9 11:24:38 2004
From: DElam at jenkens.com (Elam, Debbie)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 11:24:38 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] Shrinking fields in a report
Message-ID: <7B1961ED924D1A459E378C9B1BB22B4C02485418@natexch.jenkens.com>

I have seen strange shrink behavior when fields are touching other fields,
or even overlap the same (imaginary) parallel line.  Make sure the fields
are even across the top, or outside the space of fields with data.  Then
make sure a field with data is not touching it anywhere.  I had one rather
crowded report where this was a culprit.  The edges were supposed to just
barely touch, but they actually overlapped slightly.

Debbie

-----Original Message-----
From: augusta [mailto:awithing at twcny.rr.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 1:11 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Shrinking fields in a report


I have a report that contains basic info - Memname, business name, friends
name, address, and total sum contributed.

In the report I have on the left hand side name, business, friends name. The
middle (ideally on the same line) address, and then alittle over (once again
on the same line) is the Total Sum.

I have set all the fields to shrink, but when there is only a business and
friend name to the record, it does not shrink all the way. But when there is
a Memname and friend name, it does. This is a mystery. Any clues? IS there a
limit to the number of fields that can shrink?

Thanks 

Augusta


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From gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Sep  9 11:26:35 2004
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 18:26:35 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] DLL question (was Broadcast a message)
In-Reply-To: <20040909160937.04CF725F1FD@smtp.nildram.co.uk>
References: <20040909160937.04CF725F1FD@smtp.nildram.co.uk>
Message-ID: <18334451098.20040909182635@cactus.dk>

Hi Andy

What does your complete code look like?

/gustav


> Am trying to use Novell messaging for broadcasting messages, and have code
> (thanks for pointer Gustav) to use API calls in NWNETAPI.DLL. But whenever I
> run the code I get a "Path not found: NWNETAPI.DLL" error. Even if I put the
> specific location of the DLL I still get it. Does this mean it uses other
> DLL's, and if so how do I find out what else I need? Or what else could it
> be?



From awithing at twcny.rr.com  Thu Sep  9 12:23:40 2004
From: awithing at twcny.rr.com (augusta)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 13:23:40 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Shrinking fields in a report
In-Reply-To: <7B1961ED924D1A459E378C9B1BB22B4C02485418@natexch.jenkens.com>
Message-ID: <200409091723.i89HNht3012887@ms-smtp-04.nyroc.rr.com>

Thanks for your reply

But none of the fields are touching each other

This is how it is set up:

IDNo 	Name			WAddress	TotAmount
	FriendsName
	Business

Thats it! And nothing touches, all are set to CanShrink! FriendsName and
Business do not shrink up. But, where there is no FriendsName or Business,
the white space goes away.

I'm stumped. Am I asking it to do something it can't do?

Thanks Augusta

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Elam, Debbie
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 12:25 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Shrinking fields in a report

I have seen strange shrink behavior when fields are touching other fields,
or even overlap the same (imaginary) parallel line.  Make sure the fields
are even across the top, or outside the space of fields with data.  Then
make sure a field with data is not touching it anywhere.  I had one rather
crowded report where this was a culprit.  The edges were supposed to just
barely touch, but they actually overlapped slightly.

Debbie

-----Original Message-----
From: augusta [mailto:awithing at twcny.rr.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 1:11 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Shrinking fields in a report


I have a report that contains basic info - Memname, business name, friends
name, address, and total sum contributed.

In the report I have on the left hand side name, business, friends name. The
middle (ideally on the same line) address, and then alittle over (once again
on the same line) is the Total Sum.

I have set all the fields to shrink, but when there is only a business and
friend name to the record, it does not shrink all the way. But when there is
a Memname and friend name, it does. This is a mystery. Any clues? IS there a
limit to the number of fields that can shrink?

Thanks 

Augusta





From JHewson at karta.com  Thu Sep  9 12:35:06 2004
From: JHewson at karta.com (Jim Hewson)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 12:35:06 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Shrinking fields in a report
Message-ID: <9C382E065F54AE48BC3AA7925DCBB01C0103E2EE@karta-exc-int.Karta.com>


Is the WAddress and TotAmount enlarged to cover the entire space?
I have sized two fields like FriendsName and Business to .0007 height and placed them close together with the CanGrow set to true.  In this case, when there is a Business without a FriendsName, business would appear to be directly under Name.
HTH
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of augusta
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 12:24 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Shrinking fields in a report


Thanks for your reply

But none of the fields are touching each other

This is how it is set up:

IDNo 	Name			WAddress	TotAmount
	FriendsName
	Business

Thats it! And nothing touches, all are set to CanShrink! FriendsName and
Business do not shrink up. But, where there is no FriendsName or Business,
the white space goes away.

I'm stumped. Am I asking it to do something it can't do?

Thanks Augusta

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Elam, Debbie
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 12:25 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Shrinking fields in a report

I have seen strange shrink behavior when fields are touching other fields,
or even overlap the same (imaginary) parallel line.  Make sure the fields
are even across the top, or outside the space of fields with data.  Then
make sure a field with data is not touching it anywhere.  I had one rather
crowded report where this was a culprit.  The edges were supposed to just
barely touch, but they actually overlapped slightly.

Debbie

-----Original Message-----
From: augusta [mailto:awithing at twcny.rr.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 1:11 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Shrinking fields in a report


I have a report that contains basic info - Memname, business name, friends
name, address, and total sum contributed.

In the report I have on the left hand side name, business, friends name. The
middle (ideally on the same line) address, and then alittle over (once again
on the same line) is the Total Sum.

I have set all the fields to shrink, but when there is only a business and
friend name to the record, it does not shrink all the way. But when there is
a Memname and friend name, it does. This is a mystery. Any clues? IS there a
limit to the number of fields that can shrink?

Thanks 

Augusta



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From awithing at twcny.rr.com  Thu Sep  9 13:11:48 2004
From: awithing at twcny.rr.com (augusta)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 14:11:48 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Shrinking fields in a report
In-Reply-To: <9C382E065F54AE48BC3AA7925DCBB01C0103E2EE@karta-exc-int.Karta.com>
Message-ID: <200409091811.i89IBpt3026439@ms-smtp-04.nyroc.rr.com>



>Is the WAddress and TotAmount enlarged to cover the entire space?

No,I am confused. What entire space?


>I have sized two fields like FriendsName and Business to .0007 height and
placed them close together with the CanGrow set to true.  In this case, when
there is a Business without a FriendsName, business would appear to be
directly under Name.

All of the fields are the same height.  Friends Name and Business is the
same length as Name

augusta

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of augusta
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 12:24 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Shrinking fields in a report


Thanks for your reply

But none of the fields are touching each other

This is how it is set up:

IDNo 	Name			WAddress	TotAmount
	FriendsName
	Business

Thats it! And nothing touches, all are set to CanShrink! FriendsName and
Business do not shrink up. But, where there is no FriendsName or Business,
the white space goes away.

I'm stumped. Am I asking it to do something it can't do?

Thanks Augusta

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Elam, Debbie
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 12:25 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Shrinking fields in a report

I have seen strange shrink behavior when fields are touching other fields,
or even overlap the same (imaginary) parallel line.  Make sure the fields
are even across the top, or outside the space of fields with data.  Then
make sure a field with data is not touching it anywhere.  I had one rather
crowded report where this was a culprit.  The edges were supposed to just
barely touch, but they actually overlapped slightly.

Debbie

-----Original Message-----
From: augusta [mailto:awithing at twcny.rr.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 1:11 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Shrinking fields in a report


I have a report that contains basic info - Memname, business name, friends
name, address, and total sum contributed.

In the report I have on the left hand side name, business, friends name. The
middle (ideally on the same line) address, and then alittle over (once again
on the same line) is the Total Sum.

I have set all the fields to shrink, but when there is only a business and
friend name to the record, it does not shrink all the way. But when there is
a Memname and friend name, it does. This is a mystery. Any clues? IS there a
limit to the number of fields that can shrink?

Thanks 

Augusta



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From awithing at twcny.rr.com  Thu Sep  9 13:12:49 2004
From: awithing at twcny.rr.com (augusta)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 14:12:49 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Shrinking fields in a report
In-Reply-To: <000001c49685$128e50f0$7109a845@hargrove.internal>
Message-ID: <200409091812.i89ICpZx009580@ms-smtp-01.nyroc.rr.com>

>Is the section CanShrink property set to Yes?

Yes, all fields in the whole section and the section itself are set to
shrink.




Doris Manning
Database Administrator
Hargrove Inc.
www.hargroveinc.com


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of augusta
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 10:24 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Shrinking fields in a report


Yes I do have fields on the same line and they are all set to CanShrink.
There are no labels. . . 

Still does not shrink.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mike & Doris
Manning
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 7:30 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Shrinking fields in a report

If you have fields on the same line, then the line won't be able to shrink
unless all the fields can shrink.

Doris Manning
Database Administrator
Hargrove Inc.
www.hargroveinc.com


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of augusta
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 2:11 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Shrinking fields in a report


I have a report that contains basic info - Memname, business name, friends
name, address, and total sum contributed.

In the report I have on the left hand side name, business, friends name. The
middle (ideally on the same line) address, and then alittle over (once again
on the same line) is the Total Sum.

I have set all the fields to shrink, but when there is only a business and
friend name to the record, it does not shrink all the way. But when there is
a Memname and friend name, it does. This is a mystery. Any clues? IS there a
limit to the number of fields that can shrink?

Thanks 

Augusta____________




From bheid at appdevgrp.com  Thu Sep  9 13:41:24 2004
From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 14:41:24 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Shrinking fields in a report
In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA309870CD@ADGSERVER>
Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA305BB7FC@ADGSERVER>

Could it be that an empty string is being passed in one or more of the
fields in instead of a null?

Bobby

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of augusta
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 2:11 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Shrinking fields in a report


I have a report that contains basic info - Memname, business name, friends
name, address, and total sum contributed.

In the report I have on the left hand side name, business, friends name. The
middle (ideally on the same line) address, and then alittle over (once again
on the same line) is the Total Sum.

I have set all the fields to shrink, but when there is only a business and
friend name to the record, it does not shrink all the way. But when there is
a Memname and friend name, it does. This is a mystery. Any clues? IS there a
limit to the number of fields that can shrink?

Thanks 

Augusta____________




From JHewson at karta.com  Thu Sep  9 13:41:19 2004
From: JHewson at karta.com (Jim Hewson)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 13:41:19 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Shrinking fields in a report
Message-ID: <9C382E065F54AE48BC3AA7925DCBB01C0103E2F1@karta-exc-int.Karta.com>


What I meant was: are these two field's height equal to the height of the three fields combined?  For example, if Name, FriendsName and Business each have a height of .17, does WAddress and/or TotAmount's height equal .51 (.17 * 3)?  If it does and WAddress or TotAmount has anything in them, neither FriendsName or Business will shrink, even if Waddress has only one line in it.  
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of augusta
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 1:12 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Shrinking fields in a report




>Is the WAddress and TotAmount enlarged to cover the entire space?

No,I am confused. What entire space?


>I have sized two fields like FriendsName and Business to .0007 height and
placed them close together with the CanGrow set to true.  In this case, when
there is a Business without a FriendsName, business would appear to be
directly under Name.

All of the fields are the same height.  Friends Name and Business is the
same length as Name

augusta

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of augusta
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 12:24 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Shrinking fields in a report


Thanks for your reply

But none of the fields are touching each other

This is how it is set up:

IDNo 	Name			WAddress	TotAmount
	FriendsName
	Business

Thats it! And nothing touches, all are set to CanShrink! FriendsName and
Business do not shrink up. But, where there is no FriendsName or Business,
the white space goes away.

I'm stumped. Am I asking it to do something it can't do?

Thanks Augusta

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Elam, Debbie
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 12:25 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Shrinking fields in a report

I have seen strange shrink behavior when fields are touching other fields,
or even overlap the same (imaginary) parallel line.  Make sure the fields
are even across the top, or outside the space of fields with data.  Then
make sure a field with data is not touching it anywhere.  I had one rather
crowded report where this was a culprit.  The edges were supposed to just
barely touch, but they actually overlapped slightly.

Debbie

-----Original Message-----
From: augusta [mailto:awithing at twcny.rr.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 1:11 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Shrinking fields in a report


I have a report that contains basic info - Memname, business name, friends
name, address, and total sum contributed.

In the report I have on the left hand side name, business, friends name. The
middle (ideally on the same line) address, and then alittle over (once again
on the same line) is the Total Sum.

I have set all the fields to shrink, but when there is only a business and
friend name to the record, it does not shrink all the way. But when there is
a Memname and friend name, it does. This is a mystery. Any clues? IS there a
limit to the number of fields that can shrink?

Thanks 

Augusta



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From adtp at touchtelindia.net  Thu Sep  9 13:39:30 2004
From: adtp at touchtelindia.net (A.D.Tejpal)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 00:09:30 +0530
Subject: [AccessD] Shrinking fields in a report
References: <200409091811.i89IBpt3026439@ms-smtp-04.nyroc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <00f301c4969c$72174a10$b71865cb@winxp>

Augusta,

    If your problem persists despite trying out afresh on a brand new report, you can send a zipped extract of your db containing the said report as well as the source tables & queries. 

    The number of records may please be pruned down so as to demonstrate the problem while keeping down the size.

A.D.Tejpal
( adtp at touchtelindia.net )

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: augusta 
  To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' 
  Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 23:41
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] Shrinking fields in a report

  >Is the WAddress and TotAmount enlarged to cover the entire space?

  No,I am confused. What entire space?

  >I have sized two fields like FriendsName and Business to .0007 height and
  placed them close together with the CanGrow set to true.  In this case, when
  there is a Business without a FriendsName, business would appear to be
  directly under Name.

  All of the fields are the same height.  Friends Name and Business is the
  same length as Name

  augusta

  -----Original Message-----
  From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
  [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of augusta
  Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 12:24 PM
  To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] Shrinking fields in a report


  Thanks for your reply

  But none of the fields are touching each other

  This is how it is set up:

  IDNo Name WAddress TotAmount
  FriendsName
  Business

  Thats it! And nothing touches, all are set to CanShrink! FriendsName and
  Business do not shrink up. But, where there is no FriendsName or Business,
  the white space goes away.

  I'm stumped. Am I asking it to do something it can't do?

  Thanks Augusta

  -----Original Message-----
  From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
  [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Elam, Debbie
  Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 12:25 PM
  To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] Shrinking fields in a report

  I have seen strange shrink behavior when fields are touching other fields,
  or even overlap the same (imaginary) parallel line.  Make sure the fields
  are even across the top, or outside the space of fields with data.  Then
  make sure a field with data is not touching it anywhere.  I had one rather
  crowded report where this was a culprit.  The edges were supposed to just
  barely touch, but they actually overlapped slightly.

  Debbie

  -----Original Message-----
  From: augusta [mailto:awithing at twcny.rr.com] 
  Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 1:11 PM
  To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
  Subject: [AccessD] Shrinking fields in a report


  I have a report that contains basic info - Memname, business name, friends
  name, address, and total sum contributed.

  In the report I have on the left hand side name, business, friends name. The
  middle (ideally on the same line) address, and then alittle over (once again
  on the same line) is the Total Sum.

  I have set all the fields to shrink, but when there is only a business and
  friend name to the record, it does not shrink all the way. But when there is
  a Memname and friend name, it does. This is a mystery. Any clues? IS there a
  limit to the number of fields that can shrink?

  Thanks 

  Augusta



From serbach at new.rr.com  Thu Sep  9 14:19:47 2004
From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 14:19:47 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] AHOO!!!  Got my action pack
In-Reply-To: <004701c4967c$d38730a0$80b3fea9@ColbyM6805>
References: <1496.216.43.21.234.1094654535.squirrel@cetus.email.starband.net>
	<004701c4967c$d38730a0$80b3fea9@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <20040909141947.1901151160.serbach@new.rr.com>

John,

I'd considered buying the Action Pack, but Hindman turned me on to this:

http://members.microsoft.com/partner/competency/isvcomp/empower/default.aspx

It's a full Universal subscription for $375 a year for a maximum of two years. The biggest gotcha is that you must promise to develop a product for commercial distribution within 18 - 24 months. There's no renewal at the discounted price after the two years.

I went with it because the Universal subscription, of course, includes all the .NET stuff. There's also a goodly amount of beta stuff (VS 2005 Beta, .NET 2.0 Beta, FP 9.0 Beta) for what it's worth. The Enterprise editions are the norm in the Universal subscription. 5 licenses, though, not 10.

But 14 DVDs crammed with stuff! Holy smokes!

Regards,
 
Steve Erbach
Scientific Marketing
Neenah, WI
920-969-0504
 
"If you can't say anything nice, run for President." - Argus Hamilton




From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu Sep  9 14:44:30 2004
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 12:44:30 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] AHOO!!!  Got my action pack
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312A43@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Yes, empower is what we have in our office.

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Steven W. Erbach [mailto:serbach at new.rr.com] 
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 12:20 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack


John,

I'd considered buying the Action Pack, but Hindman turned me on to this:

http://members.microsoft.com/partner/competency/isvcomp/empower/default.
aspx

It's a full Universal subscription for $375 a year for a maximum of two
years. The biggest gotcha is that you must promise to develop a product
for commercial distribution within 18 - 24 months. There's no renewal at
the discounted price after the two years.

I went with it because the Universal subscription, of course, includes
all the .NET stuff. There's also a goodly amount of beta stuff (VS 2005
Beta, .NET 2.0 Beta, FP 9.0 Beta) for what it's worth. The Enterprise
editions are the norm in the Universal subscription. 5 licenses, though,
not 10.

But 14 DVDs crammed with stuff! Holy smokes!

Regards,
 
Steve Erbach
Scientific Marketing
Neenah, WI
920-969-0504
 
"If you can't say anything nice, run for President." - Argus Hamilton


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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Thu Sep  9 13:47:32 2004
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 11:47:32 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Changing the windows' tongue
References: <EAF3070ACB1AD81182280002A51EF731192204@s003.wolds.summitmedia.co.uk>
Message-ID: <4140A544.1000802@shaw.ca>

I think you are SOL But this is the way I think it works.
The Windows MultiLanguage Pack or it's new incarnation MUI  Multilingual 
User Interface
is only available to OEM and enterprise licenses. maybe it is in the 
Action Packs?
It also has to be installed over the US version initially. I guess this 
is to ease hotfixes.

http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=323282
http://www.microsoft.com/globaldev/DrIntl/faqs/MUIFaq.mspx#MUIques6

The Windows 2000 MultiLanguage Version
                                        builds on top of this support by 
adding
                                        the capability of switching the User
                                        Interface (menus, dialogs and help
                                        files) from one language to another.
                                        This feature helps make 
administration
                                        and support of multilingual 
computing
                                        environments much easier by:
                                        * allowing workstations to be 
shared by
                                          users who speak different 
languages
                                        * facilitating the roll-out of one
                                          system company-wide, with the
                                          addition of User Interface 
languages
                                          as they become available. This 
allows
                                          the one same service pack to 
update
                                          all machines.

                                        The Windows 2000 MultiLanguage 
Version
                                        allows each user of a workstation to
                                        select one of the installed User
                                        Interface languages. This 
selection is
                                        then stored in their user 
profile. When
                                        a user logs on, the appearance 
of the
                                        system and the help files associated
                                        with the system components 
changes to
                                        the selected language. (Note 
that this
                                        is not quite the same as running a
                                        localized version of Windows 
2000. The
                                        Windows 2000 MultiLanguage 
Version is
                                        based on the international English
                                        version of Windows 2000. 
Accordingly,
                                        some parts of the system -- most
                                        noticeably the registry -- remain in
                                        English.)


Paul Rodgers wrote:

>The price was right, but the language isn't. Is there a way to change the
>language to English in windows 2k, perhaps with an upgrade, please, Experts?
>Cheers paul
>
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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Thu Sep  9 15:19:10 2004
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 21:19:10 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] DLL question (was Broadcast a message)
In-Reply-To: <18334451098.20040909182635@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <002b01c496aa$442f3e10$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25>

It's exactly the code from the link you kindly gave me:

http://www.clippings.vivitec.com.au/pp_article_id_8.html


-- Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 


> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Gustav Brock
> Sent: 09 September 2004 17:27
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] DLL question (was Broadcast a message)
> 
> 
> Hi Andy
> 
> What does your complete code look like?
> 
> /gustav
> 
> 
> > Am trying to use Novell messaging for broadcasting 
> messages, and have 
> > code (thanks for pointer Gustav) to use API calls in 
> NWNETAPI.DLL. But 
> > whenever I run the code I get a "Path not found: 
> NWNETAPI.DLL" error. 
> > Even if I put the specific location of the DLL I still get it. Does 
> > this mean it uses other DLL's, and if so how do I find out 
> what else I 
> > need? Or what else could it be?
> 
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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Thu Sep  9 15:34:28 2004
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 13:34:28 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] AHOO!!!  Got my action pack
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312A43@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <01f201c496ac$675d5e10$6601a8c0@HAL9002>

Steve:

What happens after two years?  Can you install on another machine?  Are your
unused licenses still good?

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 12:44 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack


> Yes, empower is what we have in our office.
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Steven W. Erbach [mailto:serbach at new.rr.com]
> Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 12:20 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack
>
>
> John,
>
> I'd considered buying the Action Pack, but Hindman turned me on to this:
>
> http://members.microsoft.com/partner/competency/isvcomp/empower/default.
> aspx
>
> It's a full Universal subscription for $375 a year for a maximum of two
> years. The biggest gotcha is that you must promise to develop a product
> for commercial distribution within 18 - 24 months. There's no renewal at
> the discounted price after the two years.
>
> I went with it because the Universal subscription, of course, includes
> all the .NET stuff. There's also a goodly amount of beta stuff (VS 2005
> Beta, .NET 2.0 Beta, FP 9.0 Beta) for what it's worth. The Enterprise
> editions are the norm in the Universal subscription. 5 licenses, though,
> not 10.
>
> But 14 DVDs crammed with stuff! Holy smokes!
>
> Regards,
>
> Steve Erbach
> Scientific Marketing
> Neenah, WI
> 920-969-0504
>
> "If you can't say anything nice, run for President." - Argus Hamilton
>
>
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From serbach at new.rr.com  Thu Sep  9 16:41:48 2004
From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 16:41:48 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] AHOO!!!  Got my action pack
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312A43@infoserver01.infostat.local>
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312A43@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <20040909164148.1949171552.serbach@new.rr.com>

Charlotte,

>> Yes, empower is what we have in our office. <<

So, what's the product or range of products you're developing?

Steve Erbach

http://www.swerbach.com




From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu Sep  9 16:54:39 2004
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 14:54:39 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] AHOO!!!  Got my action pack
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312A48@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Right now, we're working with Office XP Developer and SQL 2000 under our
original licenses, but we're also working with VisualStudio.Net,
WindowsServer2003, IIS, Visio, ASP.Net, etc.  We saved a bunch of money
on the Visual Studio and Visio Enterprise licenses alone.  Our existing
products are in A97 and AXP and SQL 2000 but we're working on .Net
versions and web-based versions for future release.

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Steven W. Erbach [mailto:serbach at new.rr.com] 
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 2:42 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack


Charlotte,

>> Yes, empower is what we have in our office. <<

So, what's the product or range of products you're developing?

Steve Erbach

http://www.swerbach.com


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From d.dick at uws.edu.au  Thu Sep  9 18:47:30 2004
From: d.dick at uws.edu.au (Darren DICK)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 09:47:30 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Same Name Validation
In-Reply-To: <70F3D727890C784291D8433E9C418F298FC5@server.bondsoftware.co.nz>
Message-ID: <000a01c496c7$5ec3b900$4a619a89@DDICK>

Excellent

I didn't think at all of combining the fields at table level

The 'overhead' should be minimal

Many thanks

Have a great day

Darren



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Bond
Sent: Thursday, 9 September 2004 6:39 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K: Same Name Validation


Darren,

I do this in one of my apps: 

Function DuplicateCount(fnIn, snIn) As Long
Dim k As Variant, criteria as String
  criteria = "FirstName = '" & fnIn & "' AND LastName = '" & snIn & "'"
  k = Nz(DCount("*", "tblWhatever", criteria))
  DuplicateCount = k
End Function

I cop the overhead of another index on the table.  It's a multi-field index,
it contains the FN field and the LN field, call it CombinedName, duplicates
allowed. I think this is supposed to make it faster.  If it doesn't it makes
me feel better anyway <g>

Stephen Bond
Otatara, New Zealand



> -----Original Message-----
> From: Darren DICK [mailto:d.dick at uws.edu.au]
> Sent: Thursday, 9 September 2004 5:14 p.m.
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K: Same Name Validation
> 
> 
> Hi Francisco
> Pretty Basic
> tblStudents
> LastName (TEXT)
> FirstName (TEXT)
> 
> That's all I want to test. Just if there is one John SMITH and
> a data entry person is entering a second one, I wanna alert them.
> 
> I was thinking of a combined dlookup with First and Last name and if 
> the count was greater than zero, alert the user
> 
> Many thanks
> 
> Have a great day
> 
> Darren
> 
> 
> 
>
> 
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From Developer at UltraDNT.com  Thu Sep  9 19:55:35 2004
From: Developer at UltraDNT.com (Steve Conklin (Developer@UltraDNT))
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 20:55:35 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Same Name Validation
In-Reply-To: <000a01c496c7$5ec3b900$4a619a89@DDICK>
Message-ID: <001801c496d0$e1db8300$0200a8c0@COA3>

What I have done here is, after an add new, in the lost focus of the
second text box (some apps are first then last, others last then first)
is to do a similar search for lastname=txbLastname AND firstname like
left(firstname,1) & "*"  ...

If I get any records, I pop a modal form with a list box of all the
matches ... User can click Cancel to continue the Add New or
double-click the listbox item  to go to a prior entry.

This doesn't prevent duplicate Richard/Dick or Anthony/Tony, but will
catch all the Steve/Steven/Stephen and James/Jim  prior entries.

Hth
Steve



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darren DICK
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 7:48 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K: Same Name Validation


Excellent

I didn't think at all of combining the fields at table level

The 'overhead' should be minimal

Many thanks

Have a great day

Darren



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Bond
Sent: Thursday, 9 September 2004 6:39 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K: Same Name Validation


Darren,

I do this in one of my apps: 

Function DuplicateCount(fnIn, snIn) As Long
Dim k As Variant, criteria as String
  criteria = "FirstName = '" & fnIn & "' AND LastName = '" & snIn & "'"
  k = Nz(DCount("*", "tblWhatever", criteria))
  DuplicateCount = k
End Function

I cop the overhead of another index on the table.  It's a multi-field
index, it contains the FN field and the LN field, call it CombinedName,
duplicates allowed. I think this is supposed to make it faster.  If it
doesn't it makes me feel better anyway <g>

Stephen Bond
Otatara, New Zealand



> -----Original Message-----
> From: Darren DICK [mailto:d.dick at uws.edu.au]
> Sent: Thursday, 9 September 2004 5:14 p.m.
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K: Same Name Validation
> 
> 
> Hi Francisco
> Pretty Basic
> tblStudents
> LastName (TEXT)
> FirstName (TEXT)
> 
> That's all I want to test. Just if there is one John SMITH and a data 
> entry person is entering a second one, I wanna alert them.
> 
> I was thinking of a combined dlookup with First and Last name and if
> the count was greater than zero, alert the user
> 
> Many thanks
> 
> Have a great day
> 
> Darren
> 
> 
> 
>
> 
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From Chris.Foote at uk.thalesgroup.com  Wed Sep  8 05:24:18 2004
From: Chris.Foote at uk.thalesgroup.com (Foote, Chris)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 11:24:18 +0100 
Subject: [AccessD] Broadcast A Message
Message-ID: <97CF276BD8C6D4119C4B00508BB18DE709E0C305@ntscxch1.int.rdel.co.uk>

Hi Andy!

Below is a code snippet that I use to use the NT4 NetSend function to send a
variable message (strNSMess) to a specific user (crfoote).

I'm sure you can tweak it to suit!

Oh. atCNames(1) & atCNames(0) are other functions that I use to retrieve the
User Name and Machine Name that the app is running on.

Best regards!
Chris Foote

---------(Code start)-----------
'------------------------------------------------------------
' Function NetSend
' Uses NT4 NetSend to send a message to
' crfoote showning current user name and machine
' Created by Chris Foote from scratch (with
' just a little help from "Help"!)
'------------------------------------------------------------
Public Sub fncNetSend()
On Error GoTo fncNetSend_Err

    Dim strNSMess As String
    Dim strNSCommand As String
        
    strNSMess = "Message sent from "
    
    strNSCommand = "net send crfoote " & "" & strNSMess & " " & atCNames(1)
& " at " & atCNames(0)
    
    Call Shell(strNSCommand, 0)

  
fncNetSend_Exit:
    Exit Sub

fncNetSend_Err:
    MsgBox Error$
    Resume fncNetSend_Exit

End Sub

-----------(Code end)-------------
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 6:39 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: [AccessD] Broadcast A Message
> 
> 
> Hi folks
> 
> Anyone got any info/code to broadcast a message to selected 
> machines/users.
> We've an NT4 server and a Novell server so could use either 
> technology.
> 
> -- Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 


From Chris.Foote at uk.thalesgroup.com  Thu Sep  9 02:09:55 2004
From: Chris.Foote at uk.thalesgroup.com (Foote, Chris)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 08:09:55 +0100 
Subject: FW: [AccessD] Broadcast A Message
Message-ID: <97CF276BD8C6D4119C4B00508BB18DE709E0C30D@ntscxch1.int.rdel.co.uk>



> -----Original Message-----
> From: Foote, Chris 
> Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 11:24 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Broadcast A Message
> 
> 
> Hi Andy!
> 
> Below is a code snippet that I use to use the NT4 NetSend 
> function to send a variable message (strNSMess) to a specific 
> user (crfoote).
> 
> I'm sure you can tweak it to suit!
> 
> Oh. atCNames(1) & atCNames(0) are other functions that I use 
> to retrieve the User Name and Machine Name that the app is running on.
> 
> Best regards!
> Chris Foote
> 
> ---------(Code start)-----------
> '------------------------------------------------------------
> ' Function NetSend
> ' Uses NT4 NetSend to send a message to
> ' crfoote showning current user name and machine
> ' Created by Chris Foote from scratch (with
> ' just a little help from "Help"!)
> '------------------------------------------------------------
> Public Sub fncNetSend()
> On Error GoTo fncNetSend_Err
> 
>     Dim strNSMess As String
>     Dim strNSCommand As String
>         
>     strNSMess = "Message sent from "
>     
>     strNSCommand = "net send crfoote " & "" & strNSMess & " " 
> & atCNames(1) & " at " & atCNames(0)
>     
>     Call Shell(strNSCommand, 0)
> 
>   
> fncNetSend_Exit:
>     Exit Sub
> 
> fncNetSend_Err:
>     MsgBox Error$
>     Resume fncNetSend_Exit
> 
> End Sub
> 
> -----------(Code end)-------------
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk]
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 6:39 PM
> > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > Subject: [AccessD] Broadcast A Message
> > 
> > 
> > Hi folks
> > 
> > Anyone got any info/code to broadcast a message to selected 
> > machines/users.
> > We've an NT4 server and a Novell server so could use either 
> > technology.
> > 
> > -- Andy Lacey
> > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 
> 


From Chris.Foote at uk.thalesgroup.com  Thu Sep  9 11:43:31 2004
From: Chris.Foote at uk.thalesgroup.com (Foote, Chris)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 17:43:31 +0100 
Subject: [AccessD] DLL question (was Broadcast a message)
Message-ID: <97CF276BD8C6D4119C4B00508BB18DE709E0C31C@ntscxch1.int.rdel.co.uk>


Andy!

Have you tried the Novell command "send"?

Chris F

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk]
> Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 5:10 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] DLL question (was Broadcast a message)
> 
> 
> Am trying to use Novell messaging for broadcasting messages, 
> and have code
> (thanks for pointer Gustav) to use API calls in NWNETAPI.DLL. 
> But whenever I
> run the code I get a "Path not found: NWNETAPI.DLL" error. 
> Even if I put the
> specific location of the DLL I still get it. Does this mean 
> it uses other
> DLL's, and if so how do I find out what else I need? Or what 
> else could it
> be?
> 
> --
> Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> 
> 
> 
> ________________________________________________
> Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.2
> 
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From GregSmith at starband.net  Thu Sep  9 08:27:40 2004
From: GregSmith at starband.net (Greg Smith)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 08:27:40 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Test - Not getting posted - OT
In-Reply-To: <NEBBKADGELICHEJJCKGKMEJMKCAA.jimdettman@earthlink.net>
References: <000801c49507$a0be1ce0$80b3fea9@ColbyM6805>
	<NEBBKADGELICHEJJCKGKMEJMKCAA.jimdettman@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <1311.216.43.21.235.1094736460.squirrel@cetus.email.starband.net>

Test...OT...

Greg




From Paul at PStrauss.net  Thu Sep  9 20:21:24 2004
From: Paul at PStrauss.net (Paul Strauss)
Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 21:21:24 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Same Name Validation
In-Reply-To: <70F3D727890C784291D8433E9C418F298FC5@server.bondsoftware.c o.nz>
References: <70F3D727890C784291D8433E9C418F298FC5@server.bondsoftware.co.nz>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20040909205913.02196588@mail.pstrauss.net>

At 9/9/2004 04:39 AM, you wrote:
>Darren,
>
>I do this in one of my apps:
>
>Function DuplicateCount(fnIn, snIn) As Long
>Dim k As Variant, criteria as String
>   criteria = "FirstName = '" & fnIn & "' AND LastName = '" & snIn & "'"
>   k = Nz(DCount("*", "tblWhatever", criteria))
>   DuplicateCount = k
>End Function

Try this (air code):

Function DuplicateCount (strFirstName as string , strLastName as string) as 
Long

Dim strSQL as String
Dim rs as DAO.Recordset

strSQL ="Select FirstName From Names_tbl Where FirstName = ' " strFirstName 
& "' And LastName = '" strLastName & "'"
set rs = CurrentDB.OpenRecordset(strSQL)
rs.MoveLast   ' force RecordCount to reflect actual number of rows
DuplicateCount = rs.RecordCount

' clean up after yourself
rs.Close
set rs = nothing
strSQL = vbNullString

End Function

The Domain Aggregate functions are very slow; Select is much faster.

Some comments:

"k" should not be a variant unless you really need it to be. It is a slow 
datatype. Long would be much preferred. Besides, you don't need "k" at all. 
You can assign an expression to the function name:

      DuplicateCount = Nz(DCount("*", "tblWhatever", criteria))

would work just fine.  If you are worried about Nz returning a zero if the 
DCount returns null, then just do:
      DuplicateCount = Nz(DCount("*", "tblWhatever", criteria), 0)
                                                                                                                             ^
which forces a zero to be returned if you pass it a null no matter what the 
datatype the DCount returns. I never depend on defaults (too many details 
to remember) and so I always pass the 0 myself. It might also be a little 
faster if a null is passed in because the function knows is doesn't have to 
figure out what to pass back if you are explicit about it. (I used to be a 
real-time programmer, and I can't break the habit of counting the 
milliseconds. And nowadays, since memory is so plentiful, I will usually 
burn memory if it makes my code faster.)

Still, none of this addresses the problem of what to do if you do find 
duplicates. I think you have to show the user the current row, or rows, and 
somehow let them decide to enter another row with the same first and last 
name or select one of the existing ones for display or edit.



Regards,
Paul Strauss


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From GregSmith at starband.net  Wed Sep  8 20:11:01 2004
From: GregSmith at starband.net (Greg Smith)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 20:11:01 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Test send.  Ignore
In-Reply-To: <003601c49602$c8de9d70$80b3fea9@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <200409090104.i8914Uob028773@cassiopeia.email.starband.net>

Test send

Greg



From d.dick at uws.edu.au  Thu Sep  9 20:40:15 2004
From: d.dick at uws.edu.au (Darren DICK)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 11:40:15 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Same Name Validation
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20040909205913.02196588@mail.pstrauss.net>
Message-ID: <001a01c496d7$20f68b60$4a619a89@DDICK>

Paul
Outstanding !!
Many many thanks

Have a great day

Darren



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Paul Strauss
Sent: Friday, 10 September 2004 11:21 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K: Same Name Validation


At 9/9/2004 04:39 AM, you wrote:
>Darren,
>
>I do this in one of my apps:
>
>Function DuplicateCount(fnIn, snIn) As Long
>Dim k As Variant, criteria as String
>   criteria = "FirstName = '" & fnIn & "' AND LastName = '" & snIn & "'"
>   k = Nz(DCount("*", "tblWhatever", criteria))
>   DuplicateCount = k
>End Function

Try this (air code):

Function DuplicateCount (strFirstName as string , strLastName as string) as 
Long

Dim strSQL as String
Dim rs as DAO.Recordset

strSQL ="Select FirstName From Names_tbl Where FirstName = ' " strFirstName 
& "' And LastName = '" strLastName & "'"
set rs = CurrentDB.OpenRecordset(strSQL)
rs.MoveLast   ' force RecordCount to reflect actual number of rows
DuplicateCount = rs.RecordCount

' clean up after yourself
rs.Close
set rs = nothing
strSQL = vbNullString

End Function

The Domain Aggregate functions are very slow; Select is much faster.

Some comments:

"k" should not be a variant unless you really need it to be. It is a slow 
datatype. Long would be much preferred. Besides, you don't need "k" at all. 
You can assign an expression to the function name:

      DuplicateCount = Nz(DCount("*", "tblWhatever", criteria))

would work just fine.  If you are worried about Nz returning a zero if the 
DCount returns null, then just do:
      DuplicateCount = Nz(DCount("*", "tblWhatever", criteria), 0)
 
^ which forces a zero to be returned if you pass it a null no matter what
the 
datatype the DCount returns. I never depend on defaults (too many details 
to remember) and so I always pass the 0 myself. It might also be a little 
faster if a null is passed in because the function knows is doesn't have to 
figure out what to pass back if you are explicit about it. (I used to be a 
real-time programmer, and I can't break the habit of counting the 
milliseconds. And nowadays, since memory is so plentiful, I will usually 
burn memory if it makes my code faster.)

Still, none of this addresses the problem of what to do if you do find 
duplicates. I think you have to show the user the current row, or rows, and 
somehow let them decide to enter another row with the same first and last 
name or select one of the existing ones for display or edit.



Regards,
Paul Strauss


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From GregSmith at starband.net  Wed Sep  8 15:14:35 2004
From: GregSmith at starband.net (Greg Smith)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 15:14:35 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Mail not delivered...???
In-Reply-To: <000e01c49558$93bb8fe0$80b3fea9@ColbyM6805>
References: <20040907184735.64356.qmail@web20423.mail.yahoo.com>
	<000e01c49558$93bb8fe0$80b3fea9@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <1951.216.43.21.235.1094674475.squirrel@cetus.email.starband.net>

Hi everyone.

Apparently others are NOT having the same problem as I am with the email
to databaseadvisors.  I sent a reply this morning (about 0800 CDT)and now
received the following message (between the dash lines):

--------------------------------------------------
    **********************************************
    **      THIS IS A WARNING MESSAGE ONLY      **
    **  YOU DO NOT NEED TO RESEND YOUR MESSAGE  **
    **********************************************

The original message was received at Wed, 8 Sep 2004 10:42:22 -0400
from cetus.email.starband.net [148.78.247.27] (may be forged)

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
221 2.0.0 databaseadvisors.com closing connection
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>... Deferred
Warning: message still undelivered after 4 hours
Will keep trying until message is 2 days old
--------------------------------------------------

Anyone else having this 'issue'?

Of course, I'm sending this to the same address where the 'issue' arises
so this may NEVER go through...but what the heck...only inconveniencing a
few lowly electrons.

Greg Smith




From d.dick at uws.edu.au  Thu Sep  9 22:16:18 2004
From: d.dick at uws.edu.au (Darren DICK)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 13:16:18 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Mail not delivered...???
In-Reply-To: <1951.216.43.21.235.1094674475.squirrel@cetus.email.starband.net>
Message-ID: <001d01c496e4$89e7db80$4a619a89@DDICK>

Hi Greg
I see it on the list
Have only had those sorts of errors (though not the same as yours)
if put the AccessD address in the BCC field

Have a great day

Darren



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Greg Smith
Sent: Thursday, 9 September 2004 6:15 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Mail not delivered...???


Hi everyone.

Apparently others are NOT having the same problem as I am with the email to
databaseadvisors.  I sent a reply this morning (about 0800 CDT)and now
received the following message (between the dash lines):

--------------------------------------------------
    **********************************************
    **      THIS IS A WARNING MESSAGE ONLY      **
    **  YOU DO NOT NEED TO RESEND YOUR MESSAGE  **
    **********************************************

The original message was received at Wed, 8 Sep 2004 10:42:22 -0400 from
cetus.email.starband.net [148.78.247.27] (may be forged)

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
221 2.0.0 databaseadvisors.com closing connection
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>... Deferred
Warning: message still undelivered after 4 hours
Will keep trying until message is 2 days old
--------------------------------------------------

Anyone else having this 'issue'?

Of course, I'm sending this to the same address where the 'issue' arises so
this may NEVER go through...but what the heck...only inconveniencing a few
lowly electrons.

Greg Smith


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From kwilliam at ashlandnet.com  Thu Sep  9 09:19:22 2004
From: kwilliam at ashlandnet.com (Keith Williamson)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 10:19:22 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Synchronizing Subform to Main form based on a date
In-Reply-To: <988E2AC88CCB54459286C4077DB662F50129DE53@PDAWB03C.ad.sprint.com>
Message-ID: <000401c49678$01f6f420$64aba8c0@ashlandnet.com>

Test

Keith E. Williamson
Ashland Equipment, Inc
phone # (410) 273-1856
fax #     (410) 273-1859


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mcgillivray,
Donald [ITS]
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 11:25 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Synchronizing Subform to Main form based on a date


Thanks for the suggestion, Andy, but no success.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 12:15 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Synchronizing Subform to Main form based on a date


Just a thought Donald but if you placed a hidden calc'd control on the main
form with =YourDateCombo.Column(0) and put in that in your linking fields
would that help?

-- Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 

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From john at winhaven.net  Thu Sep  9 22:38:20 2004
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 22:38:20 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Mail not delivered...???
In-Reply-To: <001d01c496e4$89e7db80$4a619a89@DDICK>
Message-ID: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJIEFAHJAA.john@winhaven.net>

'tis true, should not put AccessD in BCC or CC fields. I've made the CC
mistake a couple of times.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Darren DICK
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 10:16 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Mail not delivered...???


Hi Greg
I see it on the list
Have only had those sorts of errors (though not the same as yours)
if put the AccessD address in the BCC field

Have a great day

Darren



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Greg Smith
Sent: Thursday, 9 September 2004 6:15 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Mail not delivered...???


Hi everyone.

Apparently others are NOT having the same problem as I am with the email to
databaseadvisors.  I sent a reply this morning (about 0800 CDT)and now
received the following message (between the dash lines):

--------------------------------------------------
    **********************************************
    **      THIS IS A WARNING MESSAGE ONLY      **
    **  YOU DO NOT NEED TO RESEND YOUR MESSAGE  **
    **********************************************

The original message was received at Wed, 8 Sep 2004 10:42:22 -0400 from
cetus.email.starband.net [148.78.247.27] (may be forged)

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
221 2.0.0 databaseadvisors.com closing connection
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>... Deferred
Warning: message still undelivered after 4 hours
Will keep trying until message is 2 days old
--------------------------------------------------

Anyone else having this 'issue'?

Of course, I'm sending this to the same address where the 'issue' arises so
this may NEVER go through...but what the heck...only inconveniencing a few
lowly electrons.

Greg Smith


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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Thu Sep  9 23:46:11 2004
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 21:46:11 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] AHOO!!!  Got my action pack
References: <1496.216.43.21.234.1094654535.squirrel@cetus.email.starband.net>
	<004701c4967c$d38730a0$80b3fea9@ColbyM6805>
	<20040909141947.1901151160.serbach@new.rr.com>
Message-ID: <061001c496f1$18bcd610$6601a8c0@HAL9002>

DVDs?  How do you install if your machine has no DVD?

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steven W. Erbach" <serbach at new.rr.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 12:19 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack


> John,
>
> I'd considered buying the Action Pack, but Hindman turned me on to this:
>
>
http://members.microsoft.com/partner/competency/isvcomp/empower/default.aspx
>
> It's a full Universal subscription for $375 a year for a maximum of two
years. The biggest gotcha is that you must promise to develop a product for
commercial distribution within 18 - 24 months. There's no renewal at the
discounted price after the two years.
>
> I went with it because the Universal subscription, of course, includes all
the .NET stuff. There's also a goodly amount of beta stuff (VS 2005 Beta,
.NET 2.0 Beta, FP 9.0 Beta) for what it's worth. The Enterprise editions are
the norm in the Universal subscription. 5 licenses, though, not 10.
>
> But 14 DVDs crammed with stuff! Holy smokes!
>
> Regards,
>
> Steve Erbach
> Scientific Marketing
> Neenah, WI
> 920-969-0504
>
> "If you can't say anything nice, run for President." - Argus Hamilton
>
>
> -- 
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> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Sep 10 00:31:12 2004
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 01:31:12 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Synchronizing Subform to Main form based on a date
In-Reply-To: <988E2AC88CCB54459286C4077DB662F50129DBA5@PDAWB03C.ad.sprint.com>
Message-ID: <004e01c496f7$637cd370$80b3fea9@ColbyM6805>

Set up a text box and make it pull the value from that column of the combo.
Then use the text box as the parent link property.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mcgillivray,
Donald [ITS]
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 8:37 PM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] Synchronizing Subform to Main form based on a date


I'm pulling my hair out on this one.

I have a simple main form with two unbound combos, one for a location and
the other for a date.  The RowSource for the location combo is a table that
contains a record for each location - pulling the PK in column 1 and Name in
column 2 from that table.  Column 1 is bound and its width set to 0 so that
only the name displays.  The RowSource for the date combo is a summary query
pulling from a transaction table with column 1 equal to
Int(MyDateFromTrxTable) and column 2 equal to
Format(MyDateFromTrxTable,"mm/dd/yyyy").  The query is grouped on column 1
so that only one row for each date appears.  Column 1 is bound and width set
to 0 so that only the formatted dates appear.

I'm having trouble getting a simple subform ([Location], Int([Date]),
[ItemDetail]) to synchronize with the main form.  Using the location and
date values, the only way I've been able to get it to work is to expose the
first column of the date combo by setting its width to something other than
zero.  Of course, I don't want the date serial number to be displayed on the
form - just the formatted date.  

Note that I have restricted both the bound column of the combo and the
corresponding value in the subform to just the integer portion of the date.
Thus, I don't think this is a matter of trying to match a "date-only" value
against a "date-with-time" value.

I work with subforms like this all the time, though I don't think I've ever
attempted to use a date value as part of the link.  Is there some esoteric
quality of date values that I need to know about here?  Anybody have a clue
about why this won't work as advertised?

Thanks!

Don McGillivray
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From artful at rogers.com  Fri Sep 10 01:11:03 2004
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 02:11:03 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Syntax question about control references
In-Reply-To: <662716005.20040908093313@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <001001c496fc$f392b6a0$6501a8c0@rock>

Interesting. Gonna try this right now. Gonna have some interesting
calculations to do. Question, though. Given that the focus has been
placed in any given column, how can I determine which column the focus
is in? I don't want to do it by name, I want to do it by number. I.e.
the current date is 9/10/2004, which places me in column 9/30/2004,
which happens to be column 12 of the scrollable columns. So I can derive
which column to go into, I'm already there, but how do I determine which
column number it is? Is there a way to determine which column number I'm
in?

A.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 3:33 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Syntax question about control references


Hi Arthur

You could try playing with the GoToPage method:

  Forms("frmYourForm").GoToPage 1, x, 0

where x = ([count of columns to move] + Offset) * [Width of column in
twips]

If you succeed somehow please let us know.

/gustav



From Chris.Foote at uk.thalesgroup.com  Fri Sep 10 01:25:03 2004
From: Chris.Foote at uk.thalesgroup.com (Foote, Chris)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 07:25:03 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Mail not delivered...???
Message-ID: <97CF276BD8C6D4119C4B00508BB18DE709E0C31D@ntscxch1.int.rdel.co.uk>

Yup!

Several posts of mine have failed to make it and couple have been delayed
by up to 18-hours.

Have got similar warning messages as below
----------------------------------------------------
Your message has been delayed and is still awaiting delivery
to the following recipient(s):

accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Message delayed


Your message is delayed
Message for domain databaseadvisors.com delayed at mail.uk.thalesgroup.com.
Unable to deliver to domain for 20 hours.
Will continue trying for 76 hours.
No action is required on your part.
Last attempt failed because:
Did not receive SMTP greeting from host
---------------------------------------------

Rgards!
Chris F

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Greg Smith [mailto:GregSmith at starband.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 9:15 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Mail not delivered...???
> 
> 
> Hi everyone.
> 
> Apparently others are NOT having the same problem as I am 
> with the email
> to databaseadvisors.  I sent a reply this morning (about 0800 
> CDT)and now
> received the following message (between the dash lines):
-----------(Snipped)----------


From Chris.Foote at uk.thalesgroup.com  Fri Sep 10 01:30:37 2004
From: Chris.Foote at uk.thalesgroup.com (Foote, Chris)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 07:30:37 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Mail not delivered...???
Message-ID: <97CF276BD8C6D4119C4B00508BB18DE709E0C31E@ntscxch1.int.rdel.co.uk>

Good gracious!

This one got there and back in under four mins!

Looks like the problem's gone then <G>

Chris F

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Foote, Chris [mailto:Chris.Foote at uk.thalesgroup.com]
> Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 7:25 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Mail not delivered...???
> 
> 
> Yup!
> 
> Several posts of mine have failed to make it and couple have 
> been delayed
> by up to 18-hours.
----------(Snip)------


From gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Sep 10 01:57:13 2004
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 08:57:13 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Syntax question about control references
In-Reply-To: <001001c496fc$f392b6a0$6501a8c0@rock>
References: <001001c496fc$f392b6a0$6501a8c0@rock>
Message-ID: <1921993085.20040910085713@cactus.dk>

Hi Arthur

That would be

  ctl = Me.ActiveControl

/gustav


> Interesting. Gonna try this right now. Gonna have some interesting
> calculations to do. Question, though. Given that the focus has been
> placed in any given column, how can I determine which column the focus
> is in? I don't want to do it by name, I want to do it by number. I.e.
> the current date is 9/10/2004, which places me in column 9/30/2004,
> which happens to be column 12 of the scrollable columns. So I can derive
> which column to go into, I'm already there, but how do I determine which
> column number it is? Is there a way to determine which column number I'm
> in?

> A.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
> Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 3:33 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Syntax question about control references


> Hi Arthur

> You could try playing with the GoToPage method:

>   Forms("frmYourForm").GoToPage 1, x, 0

> where x = ([count of columns to move] + Offset) * [Width of column in
> twips]

> If you succeed somehow please let us know.

> /gustav



From R.Griffiths at bury.gov.uk  Fri Sep 10 02:56:59 2004
From: R.Griffiths at bury.gov.uk (Griffiths, Richard)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 08:56:59 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] AHOO!!!  Got my action pack
Message-ID: <F37DAC9A2964B144A2973EBCA8C54DBDABD3CF@BURY2K23.bury.gov.uk>

Steve

Hope you can assist.

Is this offer open to non-US persons?
You have to subscribe for 2 years (ie 2 * $375)?
I assume after the 2 years you are still able to use all the software
and what stops are the updates etc - can you confirm this?

Many thanks

Richard

-----Original Message-----
From: Steven W. Erbach [mailto:serbach at new.rr.com] 
Sent: 09 September 2004 20:20
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack

John,

I'd considered buying the Action Pack, but Hindman turned me on to this:

http://members.microsoft.com/partner/competency/isvcomp/empower/default.
aspx

It's a full Universal subscription for $375 a year for a maximum of two
years. The biggest gotcha is that you must promise to develop a product
for commercial distribution within 18 - 24 months. There's no renewal at
the discounted price after the two years.

I went with it because the Universal subscription, of course, includes
all the .NET stuff. There's also a goodly amount of beta stuff (VS 2005
Beta, .NET 2.0 Beta, FP 9.0 Beta) for what it's worth. The Enterprise
editions are the norm in the Universal subscription. 5 licenses, though,
not 10.

But 14 DVDs crammed with stuff! Holy smokes!

Regards,
 
Steve Erbach
Scientific Marketing
Neenah, WI
920-969-0504
 
"If you can't say anything nice, run for President." - Argus Hamilton


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From gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Sep 10 03:38:17 2004
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 10:38:17 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] DLL question (was Broadcast a message)
In-Reply-To: <002b01c496aa$442f3e10$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25>
References: <002b01c496aa$442f3e10$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25>
Message-ID: <728056775.20040910103817@cactus.dk>

Hi Andy

By second thought, this is code for the NetWare Bindery, not the NDS.
Are you sure this is what you want?

I looked for the dll on my machine and it is not present.
If you can locate it, have you tried registering it using regsvr32.exe?

/gustav


> It's exactly the code from the link you kindly gave me:

> http://www.clippings.vivitec.com.au/pp_article_id_8.html


> -- Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 


>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
>> Gustav Brock
>> Sent: 09 September 2004 17:27
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] DLL question (was Broadcast a message)
>> 
>> 
>> Hi Andy
>> 
>> What does your complete code look like?
>> 
>> /gustav
>> 
>> 
>> > Am trying to use Novell messaging for broadcasting 
>> messages, and have 
>> > code (thanks for pointer Gustav) to use API calls in 
>> NWNETAPI.DLL. But 
>> > whenever I run the code I get a "Path not found: 
>> NWNETAPI.DLL" error. 
>> > Even if I put the specific location of the DLL I still get it. Does 
>> > this mean it uses other DLL's, and if so how do I find out 
>> what else I 
>> > need? Or what else could it be?
>> 
>> -- 
>> _______________________________________________
>> AccessD mailing list
>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/a> ccessd
>> Website: 
>> http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>> 
>> 



From carbonnb at sympatico.ca  Fri Sep 10 04:32:18 2004
From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 05:32:18 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Mail not delivered...???
In-Reply-To: <1951.216.43.21.235.1094674475.squirrel@cetus.email.starband.net>
References: <000e01c49558$93bb8fe0$80b3fea9@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <41413C62.25999.1C4D75@localhost>

On 8 Sep 2004 at 15:14, Greg Smith wrote:

> Apparently others are NOT having the same problem as I am with the
> email to databaseadvisors.  I sent a reply this morning (about 0800
> CDT)and now received the following message (between the dash lines):

Here's what that means: (and I sent you a note offline too)

Your mail server and databaseadvisors.com server are having problems 
talking to each other.

It's just a part of life on the 'net unfortunately :(

I'll look at the dba server and see if I can see anything there.

In the future, this kind of stuff should really be brought to my 
attention off-line first.

Please and thanks.

-- 
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca
If you can't be a good example, then you'll just have to be a 
horrible warning.


From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Fri Sep 10 05:17:51 2004
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 11:17:51 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] DLL question (was Broadcast a message)
Message-ID: <20040910101749.0A192250026@smtp.nildram.co.uk>

To be honest Gustav I don't know if it's what I want or not. I just want to
send a message across the network, which I thought would be trivial but is
proving otherwise. I found the DLL on the network and copied it to the
workstation, but it's not working, and attempts to register it fail too. I'm
stumped by how difficult this is proving.

--
Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk



--------- Original Message --------
From: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] DLL question (was Broadcast a message)
Date: 10/09/04 08:41

>
> Hi Andy
>
> By second thought, this is code for the NetWare Bindery, not the NDS.
> Are you sure this is what you want?
>
> I looked for the dll on my machine and it is not present.
> If you can locate it, have you tried registering it using regsvr32.exe?
>
> /gustav
>
>
> &gt; It's exactly the code from the link you kindly gave me:
>
> &gt; http://www.clippings.vivitec.com.au/pp_article_id_8.html
>
>
> &gt; -- Andy Lacey
> &gt; http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>
>
> &gt;&gt; -----Original Message-----
> &gt;&gt; From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> &gt;&gt; [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> &gt;&gt; Gustav Brock
> &gt;&gt; Sent: 09 September 2004 17:27
> &gt;&gt; To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> &gt;&gt; Subject: Re: [AccessD] DLL question (was Broadcast a message)
> &gt;&gt;
> &gt;&gt;
> &gt;&gt; Hi Andy
> &gt;&gt;
> &gt;&gt; What does your complete code look like?
> &gt;&gt;
> &gt;&gt; /gustav
> &gt;&gt;
> &gt;&gt;
> &gt;&gt; &gt; Am trying to use Novell messaging for broadcasting
> &gt;&gt; messages, and have
> &gt;&gt; &gt; code (thanks for pointer Gustav) to use API calls in
> &gt;&gt; NWNETAPI.DLL. But
> &gt;&gt; &gt; whenever I run the code I get a &quot;Path not found:
> &gt;&gt; NWNETAPI.DLL&quot; error.
> &gt;&gt; &gt; Even if I put the specific location of the DLL I still get
it. Does
> &gt;&gt; &gt; this mean it uses other DLL's, and if so how do I find out
> &gt;&gt; what else I
> &gt;&gt; &gt; need? Or what else could it be?
> &gt;&gt;
> &gt;&gt; --
> &gt;&gt; _______________________________________________
> &gt;&gt; AccessD mailing list
> &gt;&gt; AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> &gt;&gt; http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/a&gt; ccessd
> &gt;&gt; Website:
> &gt;&gt; http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> &gt;&gt;
> &gt;&gt;
>
> --
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>
>
>
>

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From gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Sep 10 06:08:09 2004
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 13:08:09 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] DLL question (was Broadcast a message)
In-Reply-To: <20040910101749.0A192250026@smtp.nildram.co.uk>
References: <20040910101749.0A192250026@smtp.nildram.co.uk>
Message-ID: <6817048614.20040910130809@cactus.dk>

Hi Andy

> To be honest Gustav I don't know if it's what I want or not. I just want to
> send a message across the network, which I thought would be trivial but is
> proving otherwise. I found the DLL on the network and copied it to the
> workstation, but it's not working, and attempts to register it fail too. I'm
> stumped by how difficult this is proving.

Don't be. You are working with a solution which reads the bindery
which was left with NetWare 3.12 and replaced with NDS now eDirectoy.
You can still maintain a bindery but most network admins don't.

Here's another link (look for BrdCast and Broadcast):

http://developer.novell.com/ndk/doc/samplecode/activex_ndap_sample/index.htm

In any case you'll need two ocx'es, nwsrva.ocx and nwdir.ocx, which
are free to download.

/gustav


>> By second thought, this is code for the NetWare Bindery, not the NDS.
>> Are you sure this is what you want?
>>
>> I looked for the dll on my machine and it is not present.
>> If you can locate it, have you tried registering it using regsvr32.exe?
>>
>> /gustav
>>
>>
>> &gt; It's exactly the code from the link you kindly gave me:
>>
>> &gt; http://www.clippings.vivitec.com.au/pp_article_id_8.html
>>
>>
>> &gt; -- Andy Lacey
>> &gt; http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>>
>>
>> &gt;&gt; -----Original Message-----
>> &gt;&gt; From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> &gt;&gt; [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
>> &gt;&gt; Gustav Brock
>> &gt;&gt; Sent: 09 September 2004 17:27
>> &gt;&gt; To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> &gt;&gt; Subject: Re: [AccessD] DLL question (was Broadcast a message)
>> &gt;&gt;
>> &gt;&gt;
>> &gt;&gt; Hi Andy
>> &gt;&gt;
>> &gt;&gt; What does your complete code look like?
>> &gt;&gt;
>> &gt;&gt; /gustav
>> &gt;&gt;
>> &gt;&gt;
>> &gt;&gt; &gt; Am trying to use Novell messaging for broadcasting
>> &gt;&gt; messages, and have
>> &gt;&gt; &gt; code (thanks for pointer Gustav) to use API calls in
>> &gt;&gt; NWNETAPI.DLL. But
>> &gt;&gt; &gt; whenever I run the code I get a &quot;Path not found:
>> &gt;&gt; NWNETAPI.DLL&quot; error.
>> &gt;&gt; &gt; Even if I put the specific location of the DLL I still get
> it. Does
>> &gt;&gt; &gt; this mean it uses other DLL's, and if so how do I find out
>> &gt;&gt; what else I
>> &gt;&gt; &gt; need? Or what else could it be?



From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com  Fri Sep 10 06:40:21 2004
From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark S. (Newport News))
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 07:40:21 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] AHOO!!!  Got my action pack
Message-ID: <BA209D7D3A20BE499AB726E4ED7A6DA1FCB70F@nprdex02.nns.com>

I read this review for the MSDN Universal 7.0 Subscription on
PriceGrabber.com.  After reading the review, do any of you have any comments
regarding the third option listed below.  This seems to be the option that
is offered at the site Brett suggested below.  To reiterate just one of the
concerns the reviewer mentioned..."Is there a downside..."?

Mark


*****************************************
Reviewed by: TallPaulInJax, from FL Date reviewed: 16-Apr-04 
Summary: 
I drove down the rating so you would be more inclined to read this review
because it contains very important info. I've been TAKEN for $2000 worth of
Office software before and I don't want the same to happen to you. 

Caveat emptor (aka, beware the buyer): Ok, here is what I think is going on.
There are different versions of this software out. (1) Part# 534-02125: this
SHOULD BE (doesn't mean it is from some vendors) the retail version which is
a 1 YEAR subscription in YOUR name registed by YOU with Microsoft including
a 25 digit activation code (newer longer length code). Should be around
$2,400. Why anyone would buy this license is beyond me. Keep reading. (2)
Part# 534-02031: this is an Open License Program (OLP) version which is a 2
year subscription in YOUR name BUT... you have to qualify for open license,
usually a 5 license purchase. The simplest way to do this is to buy 4 cheap
OLP licenses (ie, four Encarta licenses at $25 apiece) and one $$$$ license
(ie, one MSDN Universal OLP License). Perfectly legal and even recommended
by Microsoft. Should be around $2800 to $2900. (3) There is an OEM version.
Don't know the part# but I have seen Microsoft use the same part# for Retail
and OEM. Unbelievable. I believe that's what most of these cheaper licenses
are. The weird thing about some of these vendors is that the software will
be activated/registered under THEIR name. Weirder yet, talking with
Microsoft about this still has me baffled because Microsoft SAID (I don't
believe them) they will activate this license. The only catch on OEM
purchases is you have to buy a piece of hardware along with the software.
The grey area? In past Microsoft OEM licensing that hardware can be as low
priced as a $4 CD audio cable! Some vendors say they won't play this game
with OEM licensing because Microsoft could come back and revoke your license
unless you're hardware purchase is substantial. What is substantial? A
complete PC? A hard drive? A room full of equipment? Is it worth the risk?
Is there a problem having the software activated by the vendor as long as
you get the media and updates? Is there a downside to buying this license if
you buy "substantial" hardware? I don't know the answer to those questions.
Perhaps someone could post a response to this message. (4) There are
Academic licenses 1 Year licenses which retail around $979. That's all I
know about them. (5) Last but not least (and probably not the last, just the
last I know about) there are NFR's (Not For Resale) versions given by
Microsoft and distributors to let resellers et cetera try out software but
they AREN'T SUPPOSED TO RESELL IT. Hey, I hope this helps you figure things
out. If it does, send a prayer my way... I could use it. But if it doesn't,
join the rest of the club! I spent 3 hours with Microsoft's lead licensing
guru one day two years ago and hung up 10X more confused than when I
called... 

Paul
*****************************************


-----Original Message-----
From: Brett Barabash [mailto:BBarabash at tappeconstruction.com] 
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 11:03 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack


Jim,
I talked to your contact in April before purchasing our subscriptions,
and was quoted a price of $1675 each.  He pointed out the Microsoft has
changed their distribution strategy and thus has gained more control
over prices being charged by independent vendors :-(

I shopped around and ended up purchasing from these guys:
http://www.softwaremore-usa.com/msun70.html

FULL MSDN Universal 7.0 subscription for $1050.00.  Not an academic
edition, and the disks shipped immediately from MS headquarters.  I
would highly recommend this vendor.

(Back when I purchased mine, MS also had a $300.00 rebate for purchasing
this software on DVD.  Unfortunately it is no more...)

Bobby,
Don't waste your time on an Academic subscription.  The licensing
agreements normally prohibit using it to develop software for clients.

All,
Even though the MSDN subscription (and updates) lasts for only a year,
the software has a perpetual license:
http://msdn.microsoft.com/subscriptions/faq/default.aspx#licensing

However, there are certain limitations to the use of the software (e.g.
you can use SQL Server for development, but you can't run your company's
DB server with it!)

<snip>


From JRojas at tnco-inc.com  Fri Sep 10 07:12:40 2004
From: JRojas at tnco-inc.com (Joe Rojas)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 08:12:40 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Used to work - now it errors SOLVED
Message-ID: <0CC84C9461AE6445AD5A602001C41C4B059E90@mercury.tnco-inc.com>

If you are referencing both DAO and ADO in the same database, couldn't you
just add ADODB or DAO to your dimensions?
Dim dbs as DAO.Database

JR

-----Original Message-----
From: Darren DICK [mailto:d.dick at uws.edu.au]
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 2:30 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K: Used to work - now it errors SOLVED

Moved DAO above ADO in the ref list now it works <sigh>
Now time to go and see what ADO stuff fails :-((

Thanks y'all

DD




-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darren DICK
Sent: Wednesday, 8 September 2004 3:57 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Used to work - now it errors


Hello all
This used to work now I get Run Time Error 13 - Type Mismatch Then the
debugger yellows out the "Set rst" line

Any suggestions
Dao 3.6 is referenced


Dim dbs As Database
rst As Recordset
iBookingID As Integer

    Set dbs = CurrentDb
    iBookingID = [Forms]![frmBookings].[BookingID]
   
===> this line fails    Set rst = dbs.OpenRecordset("SELECT
[People].[PersonID] FROM People INNER JOIN BookingPeople ON
BookingPeople.PersonID = People.PersonID WHERE not isnull([EmailAddress])
and BookingID = " & iBookingID & ";", dbOpenDynaset)

Many thanks in advance

Have a great day

Darren


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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Fri Sep 10 07:25:21 2004
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 13:25:21 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] DLL question (was Broadcast a message)
Message-ID: <20040910122518.9AE20252466@smtp.nildram.co.uk>

Thanks again Gustav. You're a star. I'll download this and give it a try
when I have a moment to breath.
--
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http://www.minstersystems.co.uk



--------- Original Message --------
From: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] DLL question (was Broadcast a message)
Date: 10/09/04 11:12

>
> Hi Andy
>
> &gt; To be honest Gustav I don't know if it's what I want or not. I just
want to
> &gt; send a message across the network, which I thought would be trivial
but is
> &gt; proving otherwise. I found the DLL on the network and copied it to
the
> &gt; workstation, but it's not working, and attempts to register it fail
too. I'm
> &gt; stumped by how difficult this is proving.
>
> Don't be. You are working with a solution which reads the bindery
> which was left with NetWare 3.12 and replaced with NDS now eDirectoy.
> You can still maintain a bindery but most network admins don't.
>
> Here's another link (look for BrdCast and Broadcast):
>
>
http://developer.novell.com/ndk/doc/samplecode/activex_ndap_sample/index.htm
>
> In any case you'll need two ocx'es, nwsrva.ocx and nwdir.ocx, which
> are free to download.
>
> /gustav
>
>
> &gt;&gt; By second thought, this is code for the NetWare Bindery, not the
NDS.
> &gt;&gt; Are you sure this is what you want?
> &gt;&gt;
> &gt;&gt; I looked for the dll on my machine and it is not present.
> &gt;&gt; If you can locate it, have you tried registering it using
regsvr32.exe?
> &gt;&gt;
> &gt;&gt; /gustav
> &gt;&gt;
> &gt;&gt;
> &gt;&gt; &amp;gt; It's exactly the code from the link you kindly gave me:
> &gt;&gt;
> &gt;&gt; &amp;gt; http://www.clippings.vivitec.com.au/pp_article_id_8.html
> &gt;&gt;
> &gt;&gt;
> &gt;&gt; &amp;gt; -- Andy Lacey
> &gt;&gt; &amp;gt; http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> &gt;&gt;
> &gt;&gt;
> &gt;&gt; &amp;gt;&amp;gt; -----Original Message-----
> &gt;&gt; &amp;gt;&amp;gt; From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> &gt;&gt; &amp;gt;&amp;gt; [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On
Behalf Of
> &gt;&gt; &amp;gt;&amp;gt; Gustav Brock
> &gt;&gt; &amp;gt;&amp;gt; Sent: 09 September 2004 17:27
> &gt;&gt; &amp;gt;&amp;gt; To: Access Developers discussion and problem
solving
> &gt;&gt; &amp;gt;&amp;gt; Subject: Re: [AccessD] DLL question (was
Broadcast a message)
> &gt;&gt; &amp;gt;&amp;gt;
> &gt;&gt; &amp;gt;&amp;gt;
> &gt;&gt; &amp;gt;&amp;gt; Hi Andy
> &gt;&gt; &amp;gt;&amp;gt;
> &gt;&gt; &amp;gt;&amp;gt; What does your complete code look like?
> &gt;&gt; &amp;gt;&amp;gt;
> &gt;&gt; &amp;gt;&amp;gt; /gustav
> &gt;&gt; &amp;gt;&amp;gt;
> &gt;&gt; &amp;gt;&amp;gt;
> &gt;&gt; &amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;gt; Am trying to use Novell messaging for
broadcasting
> &gt;&gt; &amp;gt;&amp;gt; messages, and have
> &gt;&gt; &amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;gt; code (thanks for pointer Gustav) to use
API calls in
> &gt;&gt; &amp;gt;&amp;gt; NWNETAPI.DLL. But
> &gt;&gt; &amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;gt; whenever I run the code I get a
&amp;quot;Path not found:
> &gt;&gt; &amp;gt;&amp;gt; NWNETAPI.DLL&amp;quot; error.
> &gt;&gt; &amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;gt; Even if I put the specific location of
the DLL I still get
> &gt; it. Does
> &gt;&gt; &amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;gt; this mean it uses other DLL's, and if
so how do I find out
> &gt;&gt; &amp;gt;&amp;gt; what else I
> &gt;&gt; &amp;gt;&amp;gt; &amp;gt; need? Or what else could it be?
>
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From bheid at appdevgrp.com  Fri Sep 10 07:42:56 2004
From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 08:42:56 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] AHOO!!!  Got my action pack
In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA3098720A@ADGSERVER>
Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA305BB809@ADGSERVER>

Ahhh, thanks Jim.

Bobby

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 10:31 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack


Bobby,

<<That sounds like the price for the academic version of MSDN Universal.>>

  No, it's the price for the full version.  The prices published by
Microsoft are suggested list prices.  Microsoft Partners however can sell
them for whatever they like.

  I too was skeptical at first, but I've purchased three years running
through this reseller and have not had a single problem.  First time around
I even called Microsoft to confirm that I had a valid subscription.

  BTW, I just double checked and the price has gone up.  $875 was the first
year, $1055 second, and $1175 this past year.  So  there is a bigger
difference then $400.  I think though that I got the $300 off rebate all 3
years for ordering on DVD.  I'd have to go back and check on that.

Jim Dettman
President,
Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
(315) 699-3443
jimdettman at earthlink.net



From bheid at appdevgrp.com  Fri Sep 10 07:46:04 2004
From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 08:46:04 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Shrinking fields in a report
In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA309871FC@ADGSERVER>
Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA305BB80A@ADGSERVER>

Wow, this took over 12 hours to post!  

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby Heid
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 10:58 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Shrinking fields in a report


All of the fields have to be empty for them all to shrink.

Bobby



From ssharkins at bellsouth.net  Fri Sep 10 07:57:15 2004
From: ssharkins at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 08:57:15 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Fw: Tab limits for tab controls
Message-ID: <004401c49735$b533aca0$9865fea9@BILLONE>

Does anyone know the official limit for the number of tabs on a tab control? I can't get passed 877, which seems a strange number for that limit. I'm using 2003 -- what about earlier versions? I've checked Help, not finding anything on the tab limits, but still looking. 

Thanks!

Susan H. 

From JHewson at karta.com  Fri Sep 10 08:12:11 2004
From: JHewson at karta.com (Jim Hewson)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 08:12:11 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Fw: Tab limits for tab controls
Message-ID: <9C382E065F54AE48BC3AA7925DCBB01C0103E2F7@karta-exc-int.Karta.com>

Susan,
I've got to ask.
Why would you need that many?
I've used six and thought that was way over the top for most users.
Just curious.
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 7:57 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Fw: Tab limits for tab controls


Does anyone know the official limit for the number of tabs on a tab control? I can't get passed 877, which seems a strange number for that limit. I'm using 2003 -- what about earlier versions? I've checked Help, not finding anything on the tab limits, but still looking. 

Thanks!

Susan H. 
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Sep 10 08:14:44 2004
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 15:14:44 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Fw: Tab limits for tab controls
In-Reply-To: <004401c49735$b533aca0$9865fea9@BILLONE>
References: <004401c49735$b533aca0$9865fea9@BILLONE>
Message-ID: <14524644046.20040910151444@cactus.dk>

Hi Susan

What is wrong with 877? In octal it is 1555 - also a neat number.

But sure it's a problem. Phone is keeping ringing here with requests
for 1000+ tabs controls! Should I move business to selling beer?

/gustav


> Does anyone know the official limit for the number of tabs on a tab control? I can't get passed 877, which seems a strange number for that limit. I'm using 2003 -- what about earlier versions? I've
> checked Help, not finding anything on the tab limits, but still looking. 



From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com  Fri Sep 10 08:19:14 2004
From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 09:19:14 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Fw: Tab limits for tab controls
Message-ID: <1D7828CDB8350747AFE9D69E0E90DA1F02D088E8@xlivmbx21.aig.com>

I don't have a clue, nor can my dim mind imagine why you would want suck a
large number of tabs or how you would fit them on the screen! :-)

Lambert

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [SMTP:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
> Sent:	Friday, September 10, 2004 8:57 AM
> To:	accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject:	[AccessD] Fw: Tab limits for tab controls
> 
> Does anyone know the official limit for the number of tabs on a tab
> control? I can't get passed 877, which seems a strange number for that
> limit. I'm using 2003 -- what about earlier versions? I've checked Help,
> not finding anything on the tab limits, but still looking. 
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Susan H. 
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From john at winhaven.net  Fri Sep 10 08:24:06 2004
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 08:24:06 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] AHOO!!!  Got my action pack
In-Reply-To: <061001c496f1$18bcd610$6601a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIAECMFOAA.john@winhaven.net>

Rocky,
Have to have at least one DVD reader. They do include CD images so you can burn CDs from the DVDs but you would need one DVD reader and a CD writer. The cost of DVD readers is very low these days though. The management of hundreds of CDs versus dozens of DVDs is the catch. For a while, when I received MSDN on CDs I thought I'd have to hire a part time librarian to keep the MSDN CDs in order :o)

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
Beach Access Software
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 11:46 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack


DVDs?  How do you install if your machine has no DVD?

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steven W. Erbach" <serbach at new.rr.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 12:19 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack


> John,
>
> I'd considered buying the Action Pack, but Hindman turned me on to this:
>
>
http://members.microsoft.com/partner/competency/isvcomp/empower/default.aspx
>
> It's a full Universal subscription for $375 a year for a maximum of two
years. The biggest gotcha is that you must promise to develop a product for
commercial distribution within 18 - 24 months. There's no renewal at the
discounted price after the two years.
>
> I went with it because the Universal subscription, of course, includes all
the .NET stuff. There's also a goodly amount of beta stuff (VS 2005 Beta,
.NET 2.0 Beta, FP 9.0 Beta) for what it's worth. The Enterprise editions are
the norm in the Universal subscription. 5 licenses, though, not 10.
>
> But 14 DVDs crammed with stuff! Holy smokes!
>
> Regards,
>
> Steve Erbach
> Scientific Marketing
> Neenah, WI
> 920-969-0504
>
> "If you can't say anything nice, run for President." - Argus Hamilton
>
>
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From john at winhaven.net  Fri Sep 10 08:27:48 2004
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 08:27:48 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] AHOO!!!  Got my action pack
In-Reply-To: <BA209D7D3A20BE499AB726E4ED7A6DA1FCB70F@nprdex02.nns.com>
Message-ID: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIOECMFOAA.john@winhaven.net>

Mark,

OEM is a somewhat gray area. I buy OEM products for use with customers where
I upgrade machines. For instance if I upgrade a PC's RAM, CPU, etc, so that
it can run XP I can also install OEM XP instead of the XP upgrade.
Substantial reduction in price on XP. I haven't noticed this aspect of MSDN
before. This does seem a bit odd and I'm not sure what to make of it. I have
always  been under the impression that MSDN products can only be installed
on company equipment for testing, evaluation, development, etc. Basically to
support my company's efforts in understanding,  utilizing and
troubleshooting MS products. Maybe I've read more into it than I should
have?

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Mitsules, Mark
S. (Newport News)
Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 6:40 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack


I read this review for the MSDN Universal 7.0 Subscription on
PriceGrabber.com.  After reading the review, do any of you have any comments
regarding the third option listed below.  This seems to be the option that
is offered at the site Brett suggested below.  To reiterate just one of the
concerns the reviewer mentioned..."Is there a downside..."?

Mark


*****************************************
Reviewed by: TallPaulInJax, from FL Date reviewed: 16-Apr-04
Summary:
I drove down the rating so you would be more inclined to read this review
because it contains very important info. I've been TAKEN for $2000 worth of
Office software before and I don't want the same to happen to you.

Caveat emptor (aka, beware the buyer): Ok, here is what I think is going on.
There are different versions of this software out. (1) Part# 534-02125: this
SHOULD BE (doesn't mean it is from some vendors) the retail version which is
a 1 YEAR subscription in YOUR name registed by YOU with Microsoft including
a 25 digit activation code (newer longer length code). Should be around
$2,400. Why anyone would buy this license is beyond me. Keep reading. (2)
Part# 534-02031: this is an Open License Program (OLP) version which is a 2
year subscription in YOUR name BUT... you have to qualify for open license,
usually a 5 license purchase. The simplest way to do this is to buy 4 cheap
OLP licenses (ie, four Encarta licenses at $25 apiece) and one $$$$ license
(ie, one MSDN Universal OLP License). Perfectly legal and even recommended
by Microsoft. Should be around $2800 to $2900. (3) There is an OEM version.
Don't know the part# but I have seen Microsoft use the same part# for Retail
and OEM. Unbelievable. I believe that's what most of these cheaper licenses
are. The weird thing about some of these vendors is that the software will
be activated/registered under THEIR name. Weirder yet, talking with
Microsoft about this still has me baffled because Microsoft SAID (I don't
believe them) they will activate this license. The only catch on OEM
purchases is you have to buy a piece of hardware along with the software.
The grey area? In past Microsoft OEM licensing that hardware can be as low
priced as a $4 CD audio cable! Some vendors say they won't play this game
with OEM licensing because Microsoft could come back and revoke your license
unless you're hardware purchase is substantial. What is substantial? A
complete PC? A hard drive? A room full of equipment? Is it worth the risk?
Is there a problem having the software activated by the vendor as long as
you get the media and updates? Is there a downside to buying this license if
you buy "substantial" hardware? I don't know the answer to those questions.
Perhaps someone could post a response to this message. (4) There are
Academic licenses 1 Year licenses which retail around $979. That's all I
know about them. (5) Last but not least (and probably not the last, just the
last I know about) there are NFR's (Not For Resale) versions given by
Microsoft and distributors to let resellers et cetera try out software but
they AREN'T SUPPOSED TO RESELL IT. Hey, I hope this helps you figure things
out. If it does, send a prayer my way... I could use it. But if it doesn't,
join the rest of the club! I spent 3 hours with Microsoft's lead licensing
guru one day two years ago and hung up 10X more confused than when I
called...

Paul
*****************************************


-----Original Message-----
From: Brett Barabash [mailto:BBarabash at tappeconstruction.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 11:03 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack


Jim,
I talked to your contact in April before purchasing our subscriptions,
and was quoted a price of $1675 each.  He pointed out the Microsoft has
changed their distribution strategy and thus has gained more control
over prices being charged by independent vendors :-(

I shopped around and ended up purchasing from these guys:
http://www.softwaremore-usa.com/msun70.html

FULL MSDN Universal 7.0 subscription for $1050.00.  Not an academic
edition, and the disks shipped immediately from MS headquarters.  I
would highly recommend this vendor.

(Back when I purchased mine, MS also had a $300.00 rebate for purchasing
this software on DVD.  Unfortunately it is no more...)

Bobby,
Don't waste your time on an Academic subscription.  The licensing
agreements normally prohibit using it to develop software for clients.

All,
Even though the MSDN subscription (and updates) lasts for only a year,
the software has a perpetual license:
http://msdn.microsoft.com/subscriptions/faq/default.aspx#licensing

However, there are certain limitations to the use of the software (e.g.
you can use SQL Server for development, but you can't run your company's
DB server with it!)

<snip>
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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Fri Sep 10 08:34:40 2004
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 08:34:40 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Fw: Tab limits for tab controls
In-Reply-To: <28627862.1094822553724.JavaMail.root@sniper2.usinternet.com>
Message-ID: <001701c4973a$ed137830$de1811d8@danwaters>

Jim,

I often use several tabs (9 max so far).  But to help users, the focus is
set to the tab where the next activity needs to be done.  Users like that.

Dan Waters

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Hewson
Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 8:12 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Fw: Tab limits for tab controls

Susan,
I've got to ask.
Why would you need that many?
I've used six and thought that was way over the top for most users.
Just curious.
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 7:57 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Fw: Tab limits for tab controls


Does anyone know the official limit for the number of tabs on a tab control?
I can't get passed 877, which seems a strange number for that limit. I'm
using 2003 -- what about earlier versions? I've checked Help, not finding
anything on the tab limits, but still looking. 

Thanks!

Susan H. 
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From BBarabash at TappeConstruction.com  Fri Sep 10 08:40:55 2004
From: BBarabash at TappeConstruction.com (Brett Barabash)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 08:40:55 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] AHOO!!!  Got my action pack
Message-ID: <100F91B31300334B89EC531C9DCB0865065938@tccexch01.tappeconstruction.net>

Not to dispute with a distinguished expert like "TallPaulInJax", but...

As far as I can tell, there is no such thing as an OEM MSDN subscription
(at least according to Microsoft's website):
http://msdn.microsoft.com/subscriptions/licensing/default.aspx

I am fairly certain that I purchased a legitimate single user MSDN
Universal subscription.  Microsoft, not the vendor, activated the
software and shipped me the welcome kit from their fufillment center.
Each month, my updates are shipped from MS as well.  This is not an
extra set of NFR disks that a vendor had on hand, since nothing was sent
to me from Software More.  They take the order, collect the cash, and
then MS handles it from there.  If there was anything fraudulent going
on, Microsoft would have to be in on it.


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mitsules,
Mark S. (Newport News)
Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 6:40 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack

I read this review for the MSDN Universal 7.0 Subscription on
PriceGrabber.com.  After reading the review, do any of you have any
comments regarding the third option listed below.  This seems to be the
option that is offered at the site Brett suggested below.  To reiterate
just one of the concerns the reviewer mentioned..."Is there a
downside..."?

Mark


*****************************************
Reviewed by: TallPaulInJax, from FL Date reviewed: 16-Apr-04
Summary: 
I drove down the rating so you would be more inclined to read this
review because it contains very important info. I've been TAKEN for
$2000 worth of Office software before and I don't want the same to
happen to you. 

Caveat emptor (aka, beware the buyer): Ok, here is what I think is going
on.
There are different versions of this software out. (1) Part# 534-02125:
this SHOULD BE (doesn't mean it is from some vendors) the retail version
which is a 1 YEAR subscription in YOUR name registed by YOU with
Microsoft including a 25 digit activation code (newer longer length
code). Should be around $2,400. Why anyone would buy this license is
beyond me. Keep reading. (2) Part# 534-02031: this is an Open License
Program (OLP) version which is a 2 year subscription in YOUR name BUT...
you have to qualify for open license, usually a 5 license purchase. The
simplest way to do this is to buy 4 cheap OLP licenses (ie, four Encarta
licenses at $25 apiece) and one $$$$ license (ie, one MSDN Universal OLP
License). Perfectly legal and even recommended by Microsoft. Should be
around $2800 to $2900. (3) There is an OEM version.
Don't know the part# but I have seen Microsoft use the same part# for
Retail and OEM. Unbelievable. I believe that's what most of these
cheaper licenses are. The weird thing about some of these vendors is
that the software will be activated/registered under THEIR name. Weirder
yet, talking with Microsoft about this still has me baffled because
Microsoft SAID (I don't believe them) they will activate this license.
The only catch on OEM purchases is you have to buy a piece of hardware
along with the software.
The grey area? In past Microsoft OEM licensing that hardware can be as
low priced as a $4 CD audio cable! Some vendors say they won't play this
game with OEM licensing because Microsoft could come back and revoke
your license unless you're hardware purchase is substantial. What is
substantial? A complete PC? A hard drive? A room full of equipment? Is
it worth the risk?
Is there a problem having the software activated by the vendor as long
as you get the media and updates? Is there a downside to buying this
license if you buy "substantial" hardware? I don't know the answer to
those questions.
Perhaps someone could post a response to this message. (4) There are
Academic licenses 1 Year licenses which retail around $979. That's all I
know about them. (5) Last but not least (and probably not the last, just
the last I know about) there are NFR's (Not For Resale) versions given
by Microsoft and distributors to let resellers et cetera try out
software but they AREN'T SUPPOSED TO RESELL IT. Hey, I hope this helps
you figure things out. If it does, send a prayer my way... I could use
it. But if it doesn't, join the rest of the club! I spent 3 hours with
Microsoft's lead licensing guru one day two years ago and hung up 10X
more confused than when I called... 

Paul
*****************************************



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From john at winhaven.net  Fri Sep 10 08:51:55 2004
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 08:51:55 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Bid announcement
Message-ID: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJKEFMHJAA.john@winhaven.net>

Here is a rather odd sounding bid request I received from the state this
morning:

Bid Title: Furnish E-Scrap removal, processing and disposal services


I worked late the last couple of nights so I may be a bit confuso en la
cabeza but does anyone know what this means?




From serbach at new.rr.com  Fri Sep 10 08:52:37 2004
From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 08:52:37 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] AHOO!!!  Got my action pack
In-Reply-To: <01f201c496ac$675d5e10$6601a8c0@HAL9002>
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312A43@infoserver01.infostat.local>
	<01f201c496ac$675d5e10$6601a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <20040910085237.629179895.serbach@new.rr.com>

Rocky,

>> What happens after two years?  Can you install on another machine?  Are your unused licenses still good? <<

I haven't read the ENTIRE EULA. I do know, however, that after two years I'll have to cough up the ready for a regularly priced MSDN Universal subscription.

As far as licenses, each of the products that require those 25-digit serial numbers come with a generic number that you get once you subscribe (it's available on the MSDN web site for subscribers to the Empower program). I've installed Windows XP Pro on four machines out of the allowable five. Every product can be used on five workstations. For example, SQL Server can have up to five users.

"Unused licenses?" Again, the serial number for each installation of, say, Microsoft Office is the same. I don't know what happens at the end of two years. I suspect it's more-or-less the honor system. When I signed up it seemed to me that the Empower people hadn't really gotten their act together yet. I actually received a letter saying that my subscription was ended just a week after it started. I also got a nice apology letter, but it showed me that they weren't geared up for it too well.

Steve Erbach




From ssharkins at bellsouth.net  Fri Sep 10 08:43:51 2004
From: ssharkins at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 09:43:51 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Fw: Tab limits for tab controls
References: <004401c49735$b533aca0$9865fea9@BILLONE>
	<14524644046.20040910151444@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <003201c4973d$a96d5350$9865fea9@BILLONE>

I just thought 877 an odd place to stop. :) But I don't know if that's
really the limit or if there's some other problem. I've got a simple
procedure that's adding pages for me -- it stops at 877.

Susan H.

> Hi Susan
>
> What is wrong with 877? In octal it is 1555 - also a neat number.
>
> But sure it's a problem. Phone is keeping ringing here with requests
> for 1000+ tabs controls! Should I move business to selling beer?
>
> /gustav
>
>
> > Does anyone know the official limit for the number of tabs on a tab
control? I can't get passed 877, which seems a strange number for that
limit. I'm using 2003 -- what about earlier versions? I've
> > checked Help, not finding anything on the tab limits, but still looking.
>
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From ssharkins at bellsouth.net  Fri Sep 10 08:50:39 2004
From: ssharkins at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 09:50:39 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Fw: Tab limits for tab controls
References: <9C382E065F54AE48BC3AA7925DCBB01C0103E2F7@karta-exc-int.Karta.com>
Message-ID: <003401c4973d$b96af410$9865fea9@BILLONE>

I don't need that many -- but I'm writing about them and that's just part of
the information -- I need to tell them how many tabs are allowed --  just
part of a comprehensive look at the control. Don't worry, I'm also telling
the gentle reader to NOT use them all. ;)

Susan H.


> Susan,
> I've got to ask.
> Why would you need that many?
> I've used six and thought that was way over the top for most users.
> Just curious.



From serbach at new.rr.com  Fri Sep 10 08:57:53 2004
From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 08:57:53 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] AHOO!!!  Got my action pack
In-Reply-To: <061001c496f1$18bcd610$6601a8c0@HAL9002>
References: <1496.216.43.21.234.1094654535.squirrel@cetus.email.starband.net>
	<004701c4967c$d38730a0$80b3fea9@ColbyM6805>
	<20040909141947.1901151160.serbach@new.rr.com>
	<061001c496f1$18bcd610$6601a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <20040910085753.1330559726.serbach@new.rr.com>

Rocky,

>> DVDs?  How do you install if your machine has no DVD? <<

That is a poser. It seems to me that MS distributes the Universal subscription on CDs, but it must amount to 6 dozen or so CDs. Yikes! I'll bet they charge a premium for that.

There are one or two DVDs that contain ISO images so that you can burn installation CDs for things like Windows XP Professional.

I did notice that when you want to install Visual Studio .NET 2003 that you have to puzzle out what to install and where to find it. The HTML file MS uses for its index on the DVD doesn't start any installation programs; it just opens My Computer with the contents of one of the folders on the DVD. It took me a while to figure out all the steps I had to perform to get VS.NET installed properly.

And there's no free tech support with the Empower program, fwiw.

Steve Erbach




From JHewson at karta.com  Fri Sep 10 09:05:01 2004
From: JHewson at karta.com (Jim Hewson)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 09:05:01 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Fw: Tab limits for tab controls
Message-ID: <9C382E065F54AE48BC3AA7925DCBB01C0103E2F8@karta-exc-int.Karta.com>

Thanks Dan,
It still boggles my mind thinking about it.  877 tabs!
I just can't imagine a database that could use that many tabs on a tab control.
What would the form look like... what size of screen would need to be used?
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 8:35 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Fw: Tab limits for tab controls


Jim,

I often use several tabs (9 max so far).  But to help users, the focus is
set to the tab where the next activity needs to be done.  Users like that.

Dan Waters

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Hewson
Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 8:12 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Fw: Tab limits for tab controls

Susan,
I've got to ask.
Why would you need that many?
I've used six and thought that was way over the top for most users.
Just curious.
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 7:57 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Fw: Tab limits for tab controls


Does anyone know the official limit for the number of tabs on a tab control?
I can't get passed 877, which seems a strange number for that limit. I'm
using 2003 -- what about earlier versions? I've checked Help, not finding
anything on the tab limits, but still looking. 

Thanks!

Susan H. 
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From JHewson at karta.com  Fri Sep 10 09:08:21 2004
From: JHewson at karta.com (Jim Hewson)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 09:08:21 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Fw: Tab limits for tab controls
Message-ID: <9C382E065F54AE48BC3AA7925DCBB01C0103E2F9@karta-exc-int.Karta.com>

Thanks Susan,
It gave me a headache thinking about the concept!
BTW - good job on the lead article of the October Issue of Inside Access.
You and Drew did a great job.
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 8:51 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Fw: Tab limits for tab controls


I don't need that many -- but I'm writing about them and that's just part of
the information -- I need to tell them how many tabs are allowed --  just
part of a comprehensive look at the control. Don't worry, I'm also telling
the gentle reader to NOT use them all. ;)

Susan H.


> Susan,
> I've got to ask.
> Why would you need that many?
> I've used six and thought that was way over the top for most users.
> Just curious.

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From serbach at new.rr.com  Fri Sep 10 09:10:10 2004
From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 09:10:10 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] AHOO!!!  Got my action pack
In-Reply-To: <F37DAC9A2964B144A2973EBCA8C54DBDABD3CF@BURY2K23.bury.gov.uk>
References: <F37DAC9A2964B144A2973EBCA8C54DBDABD3CF@BURY2K23.bury.gov.uk>
Message-ID: <20040910091010.2093959404.serbach@new.rr.com>

Richard,

>> Is this offer open to non-US persons? You have to subscribe for 2 years (ie 2 * $375)? I assume after the 2 years you are still able to use all the software and what stops are the updates etc - can you confirm this? <<

You mean I've gotta look it up in the EULA? Golly!

Lets see:

"Is this offer open to non-US persons?" Paragraph 23 of the agreement says that only one of these Empower enrollments can be made per company PER COUNTRY. It goes on to say, "For example, if Member has three subsidiaries located in three different countries, your company may be awarded up to four initiative memberships; one for your company and one for each subsidiary."

"You have to subscribe for 2 years (ie 2 * $375)?" No, you may subscribe for UP TO two years; you don't need to continue beyond the first year. However the other requirements would still be in force, I believe; namely, that you have to develop and release a "new commercial software solution within 24 months from activation of your initial membership."

"I assume after the 2 years you are still able to use all the software and what stops are the updates etc - can you confirm this?" The agreement says (paragraph 11b), "Upon expiration of your enrollment in this initiative, you must remove all copies of the software licensed under this agreement, unless valid licenses are acquired."

I hope this answers your questions.

Steve Erbach




From john at winhaven.net  Fri Sep 10 09:20:06 2004
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 09:20:06 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] AHOO!!!  Got my action pack
In-Reply-To: <20040910085237.629179895.serbach@new.rr.com>
Message-ID: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIAEDAFOAA.john@winhaven.net>

Steve,
With the Universal MSDN you have the license for life not the subscription period. I wasn't going to re-subscribe last year due to the price but when Jim passed on the lower prices he had been getting I went ahead and re-subbed. I have no idea as to if this holds true for empower as I missed that great deal.

John B.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Steven W.
Erbach
Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 8:53 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack


Rocky,

>> What happens after two years?  Can you install on another machine?  Are your unused licenses still good? <<

I haven't read the ENTIRE EULA. I do know, however, that after two years I'll have to cough up the ready for a regularly priced MSDN Universal subscription.

As far as licenses, each of the products that require those 25-digit serial numbers come with a generic number that you get once you subscribe (it's available on the MSDN web site for subscribers to the Empower program). I've installed Windows XP Pro on four machines out of the allowable five. Every product can be used on five workstations. For example, SQL Server can have up to five users.

"Unused licenses?" Again, the serial number for each installation of, say, Microsoft Office is the same. I don't know what happens at the end of two years. I suspect it's more-or-less the honor system. When I signed up it seemed to me that the Empower people hadn't really gotten their act together yet. I actually received a letter saying that my subscription was ended just a week after it started. I also got a nice apology letter, but it showed me that they weren't geared up for it too well.

Steve Erbach


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From BarbaraRyan at cox.net  Fri Sep 10 09:31:23 2004
From: BarbaraRyan at cox.net (Barbara Ryan)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 10:31:23 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Table description
Message-ID: <008301c49742$d922f8c0$0a00a8c0@cx470148a>

I am trying to find the description of a table (Access 97) using code.  I tried the following (which doesn't work):

For intI = 0 To db.TableDefs.Count - 1
   Set MyDef = db.TableDefs(intI)
   Debug.Print MyDef.Properties("Description").Value
Next intI

Any ideas?

Thanks,
Barb Ryan

From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com  Fri Sep 10 09:26:48 2004
From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark S. (Newport News))
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 10:26:48 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Bid announcement
Message-ID: <BA209D7D3A20BE499AB726E4ED7A6DA1FCB711@nprdex02.nns.com>

Get rid of old office equipment...computers, monitors, printers, etc.


Mark




-----Original Message-----
From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net] 
Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 9:52 AM
To: _DBA-Access
Subject: [AccessD] Bid announcement


Here is a rather odd sounding bid request I received from the state this
morning:

Bid Title: Furnish E-Scrap removal, processing and disposal services


I worked late the last couple of nights so I may be a bit confuso en la
cabeza but does anyone know what this means?


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From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com  Fri Sep 10 09:28:24 2004
From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark S. (Newport News))
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 10:28:24 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] AHOO!!!  Got my action pack
Message-ID: <BA209D7D3A20BE499AB726E4ED7A6DA1FCB712@nprdex02.nns.com>

Brett,

I didn't mean to imply any wrongdoing.  As for the "distinguished expert",
the author's comments, he assures us, came after lengthy discussions with an
M$ "licensing guru".  By all accounts, (his, his account of M$'s response,
and your experience,) there is nothing "wrong" with this approach.  I
understand your comment that M$, and not the vendor, is doing the actual
activation.  But, in the retail version you deal directly with M$, and it
seems that in this option the vendor initiates the activation process on
your behalf.  My underlying question still remains...just as this author
asked, "Is there a problem having the software activated by the vendor as
long as you get the media and updates?"  So far, by all accounts, it seems
the answer is no...


Mark




-----Original Message-----
From: Brett Barabash [mailto:BBarabash at tappeconstruction.com] 
Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 9:41 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack


Not to dispute with a distinguished expert like "TallPaulInJax", but...

As far as I can tell, there is no such thing as an OEM MSDN subscription
(at least according to Microsoft's website):
http://msdn.microsoft.com/subscriptions/licensing/default.aspx

I am fairly certain that I purchased a legitimate single user MSDN
Universal subscription.  Microsoft, not the vendor, activated the
software and shipped me the welcome kit from their fufillment center.
Each month, my updates are shipped from MS as well.  This is not an
extra set of NFR disks that a vendor had on hand, since nothing was sent
to me from Software More.  They take the order, collect the cash, and
then MS handles it from there.  If there was anything fraudulent going
on, Microsoft would have to be in on it.


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mitsules,
Mark S. (Newport News)
Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 6:40 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack

I read this review for the MSDN Universal 7.0 Subscription on
PriceGrabber.com.  After reading the review, do any of you have any
comments regarding the third option listed below.  This seems to be the
option that is offered at the site Brett suggested below.  To reiterate
just one of the concerns the reviewer mentioned..."Is there a
downside..."?

Mark


*****************************************
Reviewed by: TallPaulInJax, from FL Date reviewed: 16-Apr-04
Summary: 
I drove down the rating so you would be more inclined to read this
review because it contains very important info. I've been TAKEN for
$2000 worth of Office software before and I don't want the same to
happen to you. 

Caveat emptor (aka, beware the buyer): Ok, here is what I think is going
on.
There are different versions of this software out. (1) Part# 534-02125:
this SHOULD BE (doesn't mean it is from some vendors) the retail version
which is a 1 YEAR subscription in YOUR name registed by YOU with
Microsoft including a 25 digit activation code (newer longer length
code). Should be around $2,400. Why anyone would buy this license is
beyond me. Keep reading. (2) Part# 534-02031: this is an Open License
Program (OLP) version which is a 2 year subscription in YOUR name BUT...
you have to qualify for open license, usually a 5 license purchase. The
simplest way to do this is to buy 4 cheap OLP licenses (ie, four Encarta
licenses at $25 apiece) and one $$$$ license (ie, one MSDN Universal OLP
License). Perfectly legal and even recommended by Microsoft. Should be
around $2800 to $2900. (3) There is an OEM version.
Don't know the part# but I have seen Microsoft use the same part# for
Retail and OEM. Unbelievable. I believe that's what most of these
cheaper licenses are. The weird thing about some of these vendors is
that the software will be activated/registered under THEIR name. Weirder
yet, talking with Microsoft about this still has me baffled because
Microsoft SAID (I don't believe them) they will activate this license.
The only catch on OEM purchases is you have to buy a piece of hardware
along with the software.
The grey area? In past Microsoft OEM licensing that hardware can be as
low priced as a $4 CD audio cable! Some vendors say they won't play this
game with OEM licensing because Microsoft could come back and revoke
your license unless you're hardware purchase is substantial. What is
substantial? A complete PC? A hard drive? A room full of equipment? Is
it worth the risk?
Is there a problem having the software activated by the vendor as long
as you get the media and updates? Is there a downside to buying this
license if you buy "substantial" hardware? I don't know the answer to
those questions.
Perhaps someone could post a response to this message. (4) There are
Academic licenses 1 Year licenses which retail around $979. That's all I
know about them. (5) Last but not least (and probably not the last, just
the last I know about) there are NFR's (Not For Resale) versions given
by Microsoft and distributors to let resellers et cetera try out
software but they AREN'T SUPPOSED TO RESELL IT. Hey, I hope this helps
you figure things out. If it does, send a prayer my way... I could use
it. But if it doesn't, join the rest of the club! I spent 3 hours with
Microsoft's lead licensing guru one day two years ago and hung up 10X
more confused than when I called... 

Paul
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From awithing at twcny.rr.com  Fri Sep 10 09:30:18 2004
From: awithing at twcny.rr.com (augusta)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 10:30:18 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] emailing a newsletter
In-Reply-To: <100F91B31300334B89EC531C9DCB0865065938@tccexch01.tappeconstruction.net>
Message-ID: <200409101430.i8AEUIMw016991@ms-smtp-02.nyroc.rr.com>

I have a client who has about 700 email addresses within an Access database
to whom she would like to send a newsletter.

Can anyone suggest a good way of going about this, other than
query/copy/paste in to outlook? Also, for some reason when she does it this
way, she can only use about 50 address.

Thanks augusta




From dwaters at usinternet.com  Fri Sep 10 09:55:13 2004
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 09:55:13 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Bid announcement
In-Reply-To: <19446489.1094824960729.JavaMail.root@sniper9.usinternet.com>
Message-ID: <001801c49746$2d7e3fd0$de1811d8@danwaters>

Maybe they want some code to help them sort the recyclables!

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 8:52 AM
To: _DBA-Access
Subject: [AccessD] Bid announcement

Here is a rather odd sounding bid request I received from the state this
morning:

Bid Title: Furnish E-Scrap removal, processing and disposal services


I worked late the last couple of nights so I may be a bit confuso en la
cabeza but does anyone know what this means?


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From R.Griffiths at bury.gov.uk  Fri Sep 10 09:58:00 2004
From: R.Griffiths at bury.gov.uk (Griffiths, Richard)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 15:58:00 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] AHOO!!!  Got my action pack
Message-ID: <F37DAC9A2964B144A2973EBCA8C54DBD25DD82@BURY2K23.bury.gov.uk>

Yes, many thanks


-----Original Message-----
From: Steven W. Erbach [mailto:serbach at new.rr.com] 
Sent: 10 September 2004 15:10
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack

Richard,

>> Is this offer open to non-US persons? You have to subscribe for 2
years (ie 2 * $375)? I assume after the 2 years you are still able to
use all the software and what stops are the updates etc - can you
confirm this? <<

You mean I've gotta look it up in the EULA? Golly!

Lets see:

"Is this offer open to non-US persons?" Paragraph 23 of the agreement
says that only one of these Empower enrollments can be made per company
PER COUNTRY. It goes on to say, "For example, if Member has three
subsidiaries located in three different countries, your company may be
awarded up to four initiative memberships; one for your company and one
for each subsidiary."

"You have to subscribe for 2 years (ie 2 * $375)?" No, you may subscribe
for UP TO two years; you don't need to continue beyond the first year.
However the other requirements would still be in force, I believe;
namely, that you have to develop and release a "new commercial software
solution within 24 months from activation of your initial membership."

"I assume after the 2 years you are still able to use all the software
and what stops are the updates etc - can you confirm this?" The
agreement says (paragraph 11b), "Upon expiration of your enrollment in
this initiative, you must remove all copies of the software licensed
under this agreement, unless valid licenses are acquired."

I hope this answers your questions.

Steve Erbach


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From gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Sep 10 10:01:54 2004
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 17:01:54 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Fw: Tab limits for tab controls
In-Reply-To: <003201c4973d$a96d5350$9865fea9@BILLONE>
References: <004401c49735$b533aca0$9865fea9@BILLONE>
	<14524644046.20040910151444@cactus.dk>
	<003201c4973d$a96d5350$9865fea9@BILLONE>
Message-ID: <15031074232.20040910170154@cactus.dk>

Hi Susan

> I just thought 877 an odd place to stop. :) But I don't know if that's
> really the limit or if there's some other problem. I've got a simple
> procedure that's adding pages for me -- it stops at 877.

Well, it equals 512 plus 365.

That equals a nice 16 * 32 matrix of tabs plus one tab for each day of
the year (excluding leap years). Very useful.

/gustav


>> What is wrong with 877? In octal it is 1555 - also a neat number.
>>
>> But sure it's a problem. Phone is keeping ringing here with requests
>> for 1000+ tabs controls! Should I move business to selling beer?
>>
>> /gustav
>>
>>
>> > Does anyone know the official limit for the number of tabs on a tab
>> > control? I can't get passed 877, which seems a strange number for that
>> > limit. I'm using 2003 -- what about earlier versions? I've
>> > checked Help, not finding anything on the tab limits, but still looking.



From ssharkins at bellsouth.net  Fri Sep 10 09:29:53 2004
From: ssharkins at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 10:29:53 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Fw: Tab limits for tab controls
References: <9C382E065F54AE48BC3AA7925DCBB01C0103E2F9@karta-exc-int.Karta.com>
Message-ID: <007701c49743$cc2ada60$9865fea9@BILLONE>

Drew's the technique artist -- I just write this stuff up. :)

Re: The tabs -- a form with 877 tabs is a mess, and I've noticed that the
form does NOT display them in order -- which is odd. I tried it with 255,
which I originally assumed was the real limit (and may actually be), and
it's the same mess and weird arrangement.

I'm wondering if Access will let me add pages to the collection even though
the control itself can't support them? Would it do that?

Susan H.


> Thanks Susan,
> It gave me a headache thinking about the concept!
> BTW - good job on the lead article of the October Issue of Inside Access.
> You and Drew did a great job.
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
> Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 8:51 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Fw: Tab limits for tab controls
>
>
> I don't need that many -- but I'm writing about them and that's just part
of
> the information -- I need to tell them how many tabs are allowed --  just
> part of a comprehensive look at the control. Don't worry, I'm also telling
> the gentle reader to NOT use them all. ;)
>
> Susan H.
>
>
> > Susan,
> > I've got to ask.
> > Why would you need that many?
> > I've used six and thought that was way over the top for most users.
> > Just curious.
>
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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Fri Sep 10 10:26:01 2004
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 08:26:01 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Bid announcement
References: <001801c49746$2d7e3fd0$de1811d8@danwaters>
Message-ID: <018301c4974a$7ad21960$6601a8c0@HAL9002>

It's probably recycling old computers, monitors and other electronics with
toxics in them.  Big deal now.  Turns out old computers are loaded with bad
stuff.  Here about twice a year you can bring all your stuff to the stadium
for recycling.  I think HP sponsors it. I understand it's going over to
China where they extract the gold and other stuff.

Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
http://www.e-z-mrp.com


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dan Waters" <dwaters at usinternet.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 7:55 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Bid announcement


> Maybe they want some code to help them sort the recyclables!
>
> Dan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
> Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 8:52 AM
> To: _DBA-Access
> Subject: [AccessD] Bid announcement
>
> Here is a rather odd sounding bid request I received from the state this
> morning:
>
> Bid Title: Furnish E-Scrap removal, processing and disposal services
>
>
> I worked late the last couple of nights so I may be a bit confuso en la
> cabeza but does anyone know what this means?
>
>
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri Sep 10 10:31:13 2004
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 08:31:13 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] AHOO!!!  Got my action pack
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312A4B@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Yes, our office got one of those letters and the apology as well.

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Steven W. Erbach [mailto:serbach at new.rr.com] 
Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 6:53 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack


Rocky,

>> What happens after two years?  Can you install on another machine?  
>> Are your unused licenses still good? <<

I haven't read the ENTIRE EULA. I do know, however, that after two years
I'll have to cough up the ready for a regularly priced MSDN Universal
subscription.

As far as licenses, each of the products that require those 25-digit
serial numbers come with a generic number that you get once you
subscribe (it's available on the MSDN web site for subscribers to the
Empower program). I've installed Windows XP Pro on four machines out of
the allowable five. Every product can be used on five workstations. For
example, SQL Server can have up to five users.

"Unused licenses?" Again, the serial number for each installation of,
say, Microsoft Office is the same. I don't know what happens at the end
of two years. I suspect it's more-or-less the honor system. When I
signed up it seemed to me that the Empower people hadn't really gotten
their act together yet. I actually received a letter saying that my
subscription was ended just a week after it started. I also got a nice
apology letter, but it showed me that they weren't geared up for it too
well.

Steve Erbach


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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri Sep 10 10:39:11 2004
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 08:39:11 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] AHOO!!!  Got my action pack
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312A4C@infoserver01.infostat.local>

That makes no sense at all.  MSDN Universal is subscription only and has
nothing at all to do with a hardware purchase.  I've never heard of an
OEM version of MSDN, let alone MSDN Universal.

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Mitsules, Mark S. (Newport News) [mailto:Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com] 
Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 4:40 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack


I read this review for the MSDN Universal 7.0 Subscription on
PriceGrabber.com.  After reading the review, do any of you have any
comments regarding the third option listed below.  This seems to be the
option that is offered at the site Brett suggested below.  To reiterate
just one of the concerns the reviewer mentioned..."Is there a
downside..."?

Mark


*****************************************
Reviewed by: TallPaulInJax, from FL Date reviewed: 16-Apr-04 
Summary: 
I drove down the rating so you would be more inclined to read this
review because it contains very important info. I've been TAKEN for
$2000 worth of Office software before and I don't want the same to
happen to you. 

Caveat emptor (aka, beware the buyer): Ok, here is what I think is going
on. There are different versions of this software out. (1) Part#
534-02125: this SHOULD BE (doesn't mean it is from some vendors) the
retail version which is a 1 YEAR subscription in YOUR name registed by
YOU with Microsoft including a 25 digit activation code (newer longer
length code). Should be around $2,400. Why anyone would buy this license
is beyond me. Keep reading. (2) Part# 534-02031: this is an Open License
Program (OLP) version which is a 2 year subscription in YOUR name BUT...
you have to qualify for open license, usually a 5 license purchase. The
simplest way to do this is to buy 4 cheap OLP licenses (ie, four Encarta
licenses at $25 apiece) and one $$$$ license (ie, one MSDN Universal OLP
License). Perfectly legal and even recommended by Microsoft. Should be
around $2800 to $2900. (3) There is an OEM version. Don't know the part#
but I have seen Microsoft use the same part# for Retail and OEM.
Unbelievable. I believe that's what most of these cheaper licenses are.
The weird thing about some of these vendors is that the software will be
activated/registered under THEIR name. Weirder yet, talking with
Microsoft about this still has me baffled because Microsoft SAID (I
don't believe them) they will activate this license. The only catch on
OEM purchases is you have to buy a piece of hardware along with the
software. The grey area? In past Microsoft OEM licensing that hardware
can be as low priced as a $4 CD audio cable! Some vendors say they won't
play this game with OEM licensing because Microsoft could come back and
revoke your license unless you're hardware purchase is substantial. What
is substantial? A complete PC? A hard drive? A room full of equipment?
Is it worth the risk? Is there a problem having the software activated
by the vendor as long as you get the media and updates? Is there a
downside to buying this license if you buy "substantial" hardware? I
don't know the answer to those questions. Perhaps someone could post a
response to this message. (4) There are Academic licenses 1 Year
licenses which retail around $979. That's all I know about them. (5)
Last but not least (and probably not the last, just the last I know
about) there are NFR's (Not For Resale) versions given by Microsoft and
distributors to let resellers et cetera try out software but they AREN'T
SUPPOSED TO RESELL IT. Hey, I hope this helps you figure things out. If
it does, send a prayer my way... I could use it. But if it doesn't, join
the rest of the club! I spent 3 hours with Microsoft's lead licensing
guru one day two years ago and hung up 10X more confused than when I
called... 

Paul
*****************************************


-----Original Message-----
From: Brett Barabash [mailto:BBarabash at tappeconstruction.com] 
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 11:03 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack


Jim,
I talked to your contact in April before purchasing our subscriptions,
and was quoted a price of $1675 each.  He pointed out the Microsoft has
changed their distribution strategy and thus has gained more control
over prices being charged by independent vendors :-(

I shopped around and ended up purchasing from these guys:
http://www.softwaremore-usa.com/msun70.html

FULL MSDN Universal 7.0 subscription for $1050.00.  Not an academic
edition, and the disks shipped immediately from MS headquarters.  I
would highly recommend this vendor.

(Back when I purchased mine, MS also had a $300.00 rebate for purchasing
this software on DVD.  Unfortunately it is no more...)

Bobby,
Don't waste your time on an Academic subscription.  The licensing
agreements normally prohibit using it to develop software for clients.

All,
Even though the MSDN subscription (and updates) lasts for only a year,
the software has a perpetual license:
http://msdn.microsoft.com/subscriptions/faq/default.aspx#licensing

However, there are certain limitations to the use of the software (e.g.
you can use SQL Server for development, but you can't run your company's
DB server with it!)

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From ssharkins at bellsouth.net  Fri Sep 10 10:39:38 2004
From: ssharkins at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 11:39:38 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Fw: Tab limits for tab controls
References: <004401c49735$b533aca0$9865fea9@BILLONE><14524644046.20040910151444@cactus.dk><003201c4973d$a96d5350$9865fea9@BILLONE>
	<15031074232.20040910170154@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <006001c4974c$b155b7b0$9865fea9@BILLONE>

>
> That equals a nice 16 * 32 matrix of tabs plus one tab for each day of
> the year (excluding leap years). Very useful.

===========OK, just on the outside chance that you're not pulling my leg,
how would this be useful? ;)

Susan H.



From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri Sep 10 10:41:44 2004
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 08:41:44 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Fw: Tab limits for tab controls
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312A4D@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Are you setting the indexes of the tabs and not seeing them in that
order?  I think one of our forms with 12 tabs in two rows is a mess, but
then I didn't create it. ;-}

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Susan Harkins [mailto:ssharkins at bellsouth.net] 
Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 7:30 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Fw: Tab limits for tab controls


Drew's the technique artist -- I just write this stuff up. :)

Re: The tabs -- a form with 877 tabs is a mess, and I've noticed that
the form does NOT display them in order -- which is odd. I tried it with
255, which I originally assumed was the real limit (and may actually
be), and it's the same mess and weird arrangement.

I'm wondering if Access will let me add pages to the collection even
though the control itself can't support them? Would it do that?

Susan H.


> Thanks Susan,
> It gave me a headache thinking about the concept!
> BTW - good job on the lead article of the October Issue of Inside 
> Access. You and Drew did a great job. Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Susan 
> Harkins
> Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 8:51 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Fw: Tab limits for tab controls
>
>
> I don't need that many -- but I'm writing about them and that's just 
> part
of
> the information -- I need to tell them how many tabs are allowed --  
> just part of a comprehensive look at the control. Don't worry, I'm 
> also telling the gentle reader to NOT use them all. ;)
>
> Susan H.
>
>
> > Susan,
> > I've got to ask.
> > Why would you need that many?
> > I've used six and thought that was way over the top for most users. 
> > Just curious.
>
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri Sep 10 10:44:58 2004
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 08:44:58 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Fw: Tab limits for tab controls
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312A4E@infoserver01.infostat.local>

If you set the format to buttons, you could build an annual calendar.
<VBG>

Charlotte Foust


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From: Susan Harkins [mailto:ssharkins at bellsouth.net] 
Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 8:40 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Fw: Tab limits for tab controls


>
> That equals a nice 16 * 32 matrix of tabs plus one tab for each day of

> the year (excluding leap years). Very useful.

===========OK, just on the outside chance that you're not pulling my
leg, how would this be useful? ;)

Susan H.

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From john at winhaven.net  Fri Sep 10 10:45:09 2004
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 10:45:09 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Bid announcement
In-Reply-To: <018301c4974a$7ad21960$6601a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJMEGFHJAA.john@winhaven.net>

I recently read an old National Geographic (mid-1990s) article about Taiwan.
It showed heaps of old computer parts with laborers digging through it and
separating it by hand for processing. It stated it was mostly shipped in
from the U.S.

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
Beach Access Software
Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 10:26 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Bid announcement


It's probably recycling old computers, monitors and other electronics with
toxics in them.  Big deal now.  Turns out old computers are loaded with bad
stuff.  Here about twice a year you can bring all your stuff to the stadium
for recycling.  I think HP sponsors it. I understand it's going over to
China where they extract the gold and other stuff.

Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
http://www.e-z-mrp.com


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Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 7:55 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Bid announcement


> Maybe they want some code to help them sort the recyclables!
>
> Dan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
> Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 8:52 AM
> To: _DBA-Access
> Subject: [AccessD] Bid announcement
>
> Here is a rather odd sounding bid request I received from the state this
> morning:
>
> Bid Title: Furnish E-Scrap removal, processing and disposal services
>
>
> I worked late the last couple of nights so I may be a bit confuso en la
> cabeza but does anyone know what this means?
>
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From reuben at gfconsultants.com  Fri Sep 10 10:47:12 2004
From: reuben at gfconsultants.com (Reuben Cummings)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 10:47:12 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] emailing a newsletter
In-Reply-To: <200409101430.i8AEUIMw016991@ms-smtp-02.nyroc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <FKEBJOENDDBJHLINGOBHCEPIFLAA.reuben@gfconsultants.com>

Augusta, I sent you a copy of a very small db that I have than can do what
you are after.

Reuben Cummings
GFC, LLC
phone: 812.523.1017
email: reuben at gfconsultants.com

> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of augusta
> Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 9:30 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: [AccessD] emailing a newsletter
>
>
> I have a client who has about 700 email addresses within an
> Access database
> to whom she would like to send a newsletter.
>
> Can anyone suggest a good way of going about this, other than
> query/copy/paste in to outlook? Also, for some reason when she
> does it this
> way, she can only use about 50 address.
>
> Thanks augusta
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From pharold at proftesting.com  Fri Sep 10 10:51:52 2004
From: pharold at proftesting.com (Perry Harold)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 11:51:52 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Bid announcement
In-Reply-To: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJKEFMHJAA.john@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <000601c4974e$174026e0$082da8c0@D58BT131>

Since most electronic appliances aren't supposed to go into the landfill,
etc they may need someone to collect used monitor, system boxes, etc and
dispose of them.  It's seems to not be easy to find a place to dispose of
such items unless you're in the top 10 to 15 major cities.

Perry Harold

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Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 9:52 AM
To: _DBA-Access
Subject: [AccessD] Bid announcement


Here is a rather odd sounding bid request I received from the state this
morning:

Bid Title: Furnish E-Scrap removal, processing and disposal services


I worked late the last couple of nights so I may be a bit confuso en la
cabeza but does anyone know what this means?


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From john at winhaven.net  Fri Sep 10 10:54:38 2004
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 10:54:38 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Bid announcement
In-Reply-To: <BA209D7D3A20BE499AB726E4ED7A6DA1FCB711@nprdex02.nns.com>
Message-ID: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIOEDDFOAA.john@winhaven.net>

Could be, every now and then I get some odd bid requests but this tops them
all.

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Mitsules, Mark
S. (Newport News)
Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 9:27 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Bid announcement


Get rid of old office equipment...computers, monitors, printers, etc.


Mark




-----Original Message-----
From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 9:52 AM
To: _DBA-Access
Subject: [AccessD] Bid announcement


Here is a rather odd sounding bid request I received from the state this
morning:

Bid Title: Furnish E-Scrap removal, processing and disposal services


I worked late the last couple of nights so I may be a bit confuso en la
cabeza but does anyone know what this means?


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From gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Sep 10 10:58:15 2004
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 17:58:15 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Fw: Tab limits for tab controls
In-Reply-To: <006001c4974c$b155b7b0$9865fea9@BILLONE>
References: <004401c49735$b533aca0$9865fea9@BILLONE><14524644046.20040910151444@cactus.dk><003201c4973d$a96d5350$9865fea9@BILLONE>
	<15031074232.20040910170154@cactus.dk>
	<006001c4974c$b155b7b0$9865fea9@BILLONE>
Message-ID: <13634454643.20040910175815@cactus.dk>

Hi Susan

>> That equals a nice 16 * 32 matrix of tabs plus one tab for each day of
>> the year (excluding leap years). Very useful.

> ===========OK, just on the outside chance that you're not pulling my leg,
> how would this be useful? ;)

It's Friday Susan!!

Are you settled after the move or are you sitting typing on top of
some boxes still waiting to be unpacked (the boxes, not you)?

/gustav



From ssharkins at bellsouth.net  Fri Sep 10 11:13:40 2004
From: ssharkins at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 12:13:40 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Express version numbers 
Message-ID: <009e01c49751$3ba01ab0$9865fea9@BILLONE>

sp_dbcmptlevel [[@dbname=] 'database_name']

 [,[@new_cmptlevel=] version]



If you run this in SQL Server Express using an invalid version number, the error message lists the SQL Server version numbers. It does make sense, if I force it to. ;) 



I also considered that the error message might just be wrong. 



Does anyone know if this is supposed to use SQL Server version numbers instead of Express/MSDN version numbers? 


From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com  Fri Sep 10 11:22:30 2004
From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark S. (Newport News))
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 12:22:30 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] AHOO!!!  Got my action pack
Message-ID: <BA209D7D3A20BE499AB726E4ED7A6DA1FCB716@nprdex02.nns.com>

Charlotte,

The name of the program per se (OEM) is not what is being questioned.  What
is being questioned is the program that allows you to get this subscription
at a deeply discounted rate with the only apparent difference being who
initiates the activation process.  What you call this program is immaterial,
it does exist as evidenced by the following link:
http://www.softwaremore-usa.com/msun70.html.  The question is: Is there a
downside?  More examples of this distribution/licensing/pricing program can
be found by looking at the cheapest alternatives on PriceGrabber.
Hopefully, that is the purpose of this list...to raise awareness to that
which we were previously unaware.

Mark



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From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com] 
Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 11:39 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack


That makes no sense at all.  MSDN Universal is subscription only and has
nothing at all to do with a hardware purchase.  I've never heard of an
OEM version of MSDN, let alone MSDN Universal.

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Mitsules, Mark S. (Newport News) [mailto:Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com] 
Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 4:40 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack


I read this review for the MSDN Universal 7.0 Subscription on
PriceGrabber.com.  After reading the review, do any of you have any
comments regarding the third option listed below.  This seems to be the
option that is offered at the site Brett suggested below.  To reiterate
just one of the concerns the reviewer mentioned..."Is there a
downside..."?

Mark


*****************************************
Reviewed by: TallPaulInJax, from FL Date reviewed: 16-Apr-04 
Summary: 
I drove down the rating so you would be more inclined to read this
review because it contains very important info. I've been TAKEN for
$2000 worth of Office software before and I don't want the same to
happen to you. 

Caveat emptor (aka, beware the buyer): Ok, here is what I think is going
on. There are different versions of this software out. (1) Part#
534-02125: this SHOULD BE (doesn't mean it is from some vendors) the
retail version which is a 1 YEAR subscription in YOUR name registed by
YOU with Microsoft including a 25 digit activation code (newer longer
length code). Should be around $2,400. Why anyone would buy this license
is beyond me. Keep reading. (2) Part# 534-02031: this is an Open License
Program (OLP) version which is a 2 year subscription in YOUR name BUT...
you have to qualify for open license, usually a 5 license purchase. The
simplest way to do this is to buy 4 cheap OLP licenses (ie, four Encarta
licenses at $25 apiece) and one $$$$ license (ie, one MSDN Universal OLP
License). Perfectly legal and even recommended by Microsoft. Should be
around $2800 to $2900. (3) There is an OEM version. Don't know the part#
but I have seen Microsoft use the same part# for Retail and OEM.
Unbelievable. I believe that's what most of these cheaper licenses are.
The weird thing about some of these vendors is that the software will be
activated/registered under THEIR name. Weirder yet, talking with
Microsoft about this still has me baffled because Microsoft SAID (I
don't believe them) they will activate this license. The only catch on
OEM purchases is you have to buy a piece of hardware along with the
software. The grey area? In past Microsoft OEM licensing that hardware
can be as low priced as a $4 CD audio cable! Some vendors say they won't
play this game with OEM licensing because Microsoft could come back and
revoke your license unless you're hardware purchase is substantial. What
is substantial? A complete PC? A hard drive? A room full of equipment?
Is it worth the risk? Is there a problem having the software activated
by the vendor as long as you get the media and updates? Is there a
downside to buying this license if you buy "substantial" hardware? I
don't know the answer to those questions. Perhaps someone could post a
response to this message. (4) There are Academic licenses 1 Year
licenses which retail around $979. That's all I know about them. (5)
Last but not least (and probably not the last, just the last I know
about) there are NFR's (Not For Resale) versions given by Microsoft and
distributors to let resellers et cetera try out software but they AREN'T
SUPPOSED TO RESELL IT. Hey, I hope this helps you figure things out. If
it does, send a prayer my way... I could use it. But if it doesn't, join
the rest of the club! I spent 3 hours with Microsoft's lead licensing
guru one day two years ago and hung up 10X more confused than when I
called... 

Paul
*****************************************


-----Original Message-----
From: Brett Barabash [mailto:BBarabash at tappeconstruction.com] 
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 11:03 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack


Jim,
I talked to your contact in April before purchasing our subscriptions,
and was quoted a price of $1675 each.  He pointed out the Microsoft has
changed their distribution strategy and thus has gained more control
over prices being charged by independent vendors :-(

I shopped around and ended up purchasing from these guys:
http://www.softwaremore-usa.com/msun70.html

FULL MSDN Universal 7.0 subscription for $1050.00.  Not an academic
edition, and the disks shipped immediately from MS headquarters.  I
would highly recommend this vendor.

(Back when I purchased mine, MS also had a $300.00 rebate for purchasing
this software on DVD.  Unfortunately it is no more...)

Bobby,
Don't waste your time on an Academic subscription.  The licensing
agreements normally prohibit using it to develop software for clients.

All,
Even though the MSDN subscription (and updates) lasts for only a year,
the software has a perpetual license:
http://msdn.microsoft.com/subscriptions/faq/default.aspx#licensing

However, there are certain limitations to the use of the software (e.g.
you can use SQL Server for development, but you can't run your company's
DB server with it!)

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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Fri Sep 10 11:42:11 2004
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (DWUTKA at marlow.com)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 11:42:11 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Fw: Tab limits for tab controls
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8031BB360@main2.marlow.com>

Ack, I didn't get my copy yet! <sniff>

What was it, Shaped Forms?

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim Hewson
Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 9:08 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Fw: Tab limits for tab controls


Thanks Susan,
It gave me a headache thinking about the concept!
BTW - good job on the lead article of the October Issue of Inside Access.
You and Drew did a great job.
Jim

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 8:51 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Fw: Tab limits for tab controls


I don't need that many -- but I'm writing about them and that's just part of
the information -- I need to tell them how many tabs are allowed --  just
part of a comprehensive look at the control. Don't worry, I'm also telling
the gentle reader to NOT use them all. ;)

Susan H.


> Susan,
> I've got to ask.
> Why would you need that many?
> I've used six and thought that was way over the top for most users.
> Just curious.

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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Fri Sep 10 11:43:48 2004
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (DWUTKA at marlow.com)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 11:43:48 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Fw: Tab limits for tab controls
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8031BB361@main2.marlow.com>

Yep, you take my techno babble, and turn it into something people can
actually understand.

Oh the story's I could tell about our co-writing adventures! <grin>

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 9:30 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Fw: Tab limits for tab controls


Drew's the technique artist -- I just write this stuff up. :)

Re: The tabs -- a form with 877 tabs is a mess, and I've noticed that the
form does NOT display them in order -- which is odd. I tried it with 255,
which I originally assumed was the real limit (and may actually be), and
it's the same mess and weird arrangement.

I'm wondering if Access will let me add pages to the collection even though
the control itself can't support them? Would it do that?

Susan H.


> Thanks Susan,
> It gave me a headache thinking about the concept!
> BTW - good job on the lead article of the October Issue of Inside Access.
> You and Drew did a great job.
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
> Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 8:51 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Fw: Tab limits for tab controls
>
>
> I don't need that many -- but I'm writing about them and that's just part
of
> the information -- I need to tell them how many tabs are allowed --  just
> part of a comprehensive look at the control. Don't worry, I'm also telling
> the gentle reader to NOT use them all. ;)
>
> Susan H.
>
>
> > Susan,
> > I've got to ask.
> > Why would you need that many?
> > I've used six and thought that was way over the top for most users.
> > Just curious.
>
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From ssharkins at bellsouth.net  Fri Sep 10 11:00:39 2004
From: ssharkins at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 12:00:39 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Fw: Tab limits for tab controls
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312A4D@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <008a01c4974f$fa482860$9865fea9@BILLONE>

Charlotte, I'm only adding pages -- I'm not setting any properties. But, I
assumed the tabs would be in order -- Page1, Page2, Page3, and while they
mostly are -- I don't understand the resulting order.

Page1, Page2, and so on, until about Page10 are at the top of the page --
after that I have 877, 876, 875, and so on... going backward.

Susan H.


> Are you setting the indexes of the tabs and not seeing them in that
> order?  I think one of our forms with 12 tabs in two rows is a mess, but
> then I didn't create it. ;-}
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Susan Harkins [mailto:ssharkins at bellsouth.net]
> Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 7:30 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Fw: Tab limits for tab controls
>
>
> Drew's the technique artist -- I just write this stuff up. :)
>
> Re: The tabs -- a form with 877 tabs is a mess, and I've noticed that
> the form does NOT display them in order -- which is odd. I tried it with
> 255, which I originally assumed was the real limit (and may actually
> be), and it's the same mess and weird arrangement.
>
> I'm wondering if Access will let me add pages to the collection even
> though the control itself can't support them? Would it do that?
>
> Susan H.
>
>
> > Thanks Susan,
> > It gave me a headache thinking about the concept!
> > BTW - good job on the lead article of the October Issue of Inside
> > Access. You and Drew did a great job. Jim
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Susan
> > Harkins
> > Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 8:51 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Fw: Tab limits for tab controls
> >
> >
> > I don't need that many -- but I'm writing about them and that's just
> > part
> of
> > the information -- I need to tell them how many tabs are allowed --
> > just part of a comprehensive look at the control. Don't worry, I'm
> > also telling the gentle reader to NOT use them all. ;)
> >
> > Susan H.
> >
> >
> > > Susan,
> > > I've got to ask.
> > > Why would you need that many?
> > > I've used six and thought that was way over the top for most users.
> > > Just curious.
> >
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From ssharkins at bellsouth.net  Fri Sep 10 12:06:10 2004
From: ssharkins at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 13:06:10 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Fw: Tab limits for tab controls
References: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8031BB361@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <00c801c49758$83cec960$9865fea9@BILLONE>

Drew! You promised not to tell!!!!!!!!! ;) 

Susan H. 
> Yep, you take my techno babble, and turn it into something people can
> actually understand.
> 
> Oh the story's I could tell about our co-writing adventures! <grin>



From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Fri Sep 10 12:36:10 2004
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (DWUTKA at marlow.com)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 12:36:10 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Fw: Tab limits for tab controls
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8031BB363@main2.marlow.com>

I said the story's I COULD tell.  Your secrets are safe with me.....for
now....<evil grin>

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 12:06 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Fw: Tab limits for tab controls


Drew! You promised not to tell!!!!!!!!! ;) 

Susan H. 
> Yep, you take my techno babble, and turn it into something people can
> actually understand.
> 
> Oh the story's I could tell about our co-writing adventures! <grin>

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From clh at christopherhawkins.com  Fri Sep 10 13:38:49 2004
From: clh at christopherhawkins.com (Christopher Hawkins)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 12:38:49 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Syntax:  Iterate through selected rows in a datasheet?
Message-ID: <288450-22004951018384915@christopherhawkins.com>

Given the following:

1) Parent form named frmMain.
2) frmMain has a Subform control named sFrm.
3) sFrm.SourceObject = frmSub
4) frmSub is a datasheet.
5) frmMain has a button cmdClickMe.

Assume that frmSub presents 10 rows and the user has selected
(highlighted) 5 of them.

In the OnClick event of cmdClickMe, what would the syntax be to
iterate through only the selected rows on frmSub?

I've Googled, but nothing.

Respectfully,

Christopher Hawkins
Software Developer
(559) 687-7591
http://www.christopherhawkins.com




From fhtapia at gmail.com  Fri Sep 10 14:03:46 2004
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 12:03:46 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] open a form at cordinates x, y
Message-ID: <b874372a04091012032a83ef0b@mail.gmail.com>

I'd like to be able to be sure that my forms are opening up within
cordinates (x,y) off the top left side of the MDI window and hopefully
the application itself is at cords(x,y), I remember seeing someone
post code that would allow a recently opend window to be opened up at
the specified locations... am I making sense?

Thanks
-- 
-Francisco


From cyx5 at cdc.gov  Fri Sep 10 14:18:49 2004
From: cyx5 at cdc.gov (Nicholson, Karen)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 15:18:49 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Section is a Reserved Word? How to refer to a Field of
	That Name
Message-ID: <A5B5AA20555F594BA7B6BD2048E49E4384B415@m-niosh-5.niosh.cdc.gov>

This code works and compiles just fine:

        If ([Forms]![frmASRSSectInit].[RequestType] <> "site audit" _
        And [Forms]![frmASRSSectInit].[Status] = "Open" _
        And [Forms]![frmASRSSectInit].[ysnCBRNTest] = 0 _
        And Not IsNull([Forms]![frmASRSSectInit].[ASSectCompletedDate]))
_
        And IsNull([Forms]![frmASRSSectInit].[CBRN_FinalTestReport]) _
        Then
        [Forms]![frmASRSSectInit].[ysnCBRNTest] = -1
        End If

However, there is a numeric field in my table and on my form named:
Section.  It must be a reserved word, because when I change the code to
specify that the section should equal 2, I get a compile error, argument
not optional.  Yikes!  A Friday headache is upon me.  What ever can I do
to get around this?  I can't change the field name as it is an SQL
backend and the damn would break.

        If ([Forms]![frmASRSSectInit].[RequestType] <> "site audit" _
        And [Forms]![frmASRSSectInit].[Status] = "Open" _
        And [Forms]![frmASRSSectInit].[ysnCBRNTest] = 0 _
        And [Forms]![frmASRSSectInit].[Section] = 1 _
        And Not IsNull([Forms]![frmASRSSectInit].[ASSectCompletedDate]))
_
        And IsNull([Forms]![frmASRSSectInit].[CBRN_FinalTestReport]) _
        Then
        [Forms]![frmASRSSectInit].[ysnCBRNTest] = -1
        End If

Karen Nicholson
National Laboratory
Xerox Global Services




From cyx5 at cdc.gov  Fri Sep 10 14:26:26 2004
From: cyx5 at cdc.gov (Nicholson, Karen)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 15:26:26 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Section is a Reserved Word? How to refer to a Field
	ofThat Name
Message-ID: <A5B5AA20555F594BA7B6BD2048E49E43840694@m-niosh-5.niosh.cdc.gov>

I got it; I changed the name of the text field on the form and it works
now.  Jeeze, I never thought of section being a reserved word.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Nicholson,
Karen
Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 3:19 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Section is a Reserved Word? How to refer to a Field
ofThat Name


This code works and compiles just fine:

        If ([Forms]![frmASRSSectInit].[RequestType] <> "site audit" _
        And [Forms]![frmASRSSectInit].[Status] = "Open" _
        And [Forms]![frmASRSSectInit].[ysnCBRNTest] = 0 _
        And Not IsNull([Forms]![frmASRSSectInit].[ASSectCompletedDate]))
_
        And IsNull([Forms]![frmASRSSectInit].[CBRN_FinalTestReport]) _
        Then
        [Forms]![frmASRSSectInit].[ysnCBRNTest] = -1
        End If

However, there is a numeric field in my table and on my form named:
Section.  It must be a reserved word, because when I change the code to
specify that the section should equal 2, I get a compile error, argument
not optional.  Yikes!  A Friday headache is upon me.  What ever can I do
to get around this?  I can't change the field name as it is an SQL
backend and the damn would break.

        If ([Forms]![frmASRSSectInit].[RequestType] <> "site audit" _
        And [Forms]![frmASRSSectInit].[Status] = "Open" _
        And [Forms]![frmASRSSectInit].[ysnCBRNTest] = 0 _
        And [Forms]![frmASRSSectInit].[Section] = 1 _
        And Not IsNull([Forms]![frmASRSSectInit].[ASSectCompletedDate]))
_
        And IsNull([Forms]![frmASRSSectInit].[CBRN_FinalTestReport]) _
        Then
        [Forms]![frmASRSSectInit].[ysnCBRNTest] = -1
        End If

Karen Nicholson
National Laboratory
Xerox Global Services


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From serbach at new.rr.com  Fri Sep 10 14:34:10 2004
From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 14:34:10 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] AHOO!!!  Got my action pack
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312A48@infoserver01.infostat.local>
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312A48@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <20040910143410.852702389.serbach@new.rr.com>

Charlotte,

>> Right now, we're working with Office XP Developer and SQL 2000 under our original licenses, but we're also working with VisualStudio.Net, WindowsServer2003, IIS, Visio, ASP.Net, etc. ?We saved a bunch of money on the Visual Studio and Visio Enterprise licenses alone. ?Our existing products are in A97 and AXP and SQL 2000 but we're working on .Net versions and web-based versions for future release. <<

I've never done anything with ASP, so I figured I'd just skip it and jump right to ASP.NET for the project I'm working on now. You're so right about the money saved on VS et al.

Good luck with your projects.

Steve




From carbonnb at gmail.com  Fri Sep 10 14:48:42 2004
From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 15:48:42 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] DLL question (was Broadcast a message)
In-Reply-To: <20040910122518.9AE20252466@smtp.nildram.co.uk>
References: <20040910122518.9AE20252466@smtp.nildram.co.uk>
Message-ID: <e04a6c9204091012487d927dcf@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, 10 Sep 2004 13:25:21 +0100, Andy Lacey
<andy at minstersystems.co.uk> wrote:
> Thanks again Gustav. You're a star. I'll download this and give it a try
> when I have a moment to breath.

OK, so I'm a bit late to this party, but if you want to figure out the
APIs, you can download a sample VB app that shows how to send a
message from
http://developer.novell.com/support/sample/tids/vbbrdcst/vbbrdcst.htm

You can also get the "full" API declarations from the VB samples page
at http://developer.novell.com/support/sample/areas/vbs.htm

It's in the "Brainshare '98 Nice T111 - Programming to the Client API
with Visual Basic" download.

-- 
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com
Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well
preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
shouting "What a great ride!"


From Drawbridge.Jack at ic.gc.ca  Fri Sep 10 14:58:12 2004
From: Drawbridge.Jack at ic.gc.ca (Drawbridge.Jack at ic.gc.ca)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 15:58:12 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Table description
Message-ID: <0F3AFAE449DD4A40BED8B6C4A97ABF5B15B348@MSG-MB3.icent.ic.gc.ca>

Barbara,

Here's some code that will assist, hopefully. 
I got some code from AccessD (Bill Mitchell) a few years ago.
Just passing some back.

Sub testDesc()
Dim y As Long
Dim db As Database
Dim tdf As TableDef
Set db = CurrentDb()

 For y = 0 To db.TableDefs.Count - 1
        Set tdf = db.TableDefs(y)
              For z = 0 To tdf.Properties.Count - 1
                If tdf.Properties(z).Name = "Description" Then 
                Debug.Print tdf.Properties(z)
              Next z
 Next y
End Sub


jack
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Barbara Ryan
Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 10:31 AM
To: Access List
Subject: [AccessD] Table description


I am trying to find the description of a table (Access 97) using code.  I
tried the following (which doesn't work):

For intI = 0 To db.TableDefs.Count - 1
   Set MyDef = db.TableDefs(intI)
   Debug.Print MyDef.Properties("Description").Value
Next intI

Any ideas?

Thanks,
Barb Ryan
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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Fri Sep 10 15:53:04 2004
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 21:53:04 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] DLL question (was Broadcast a message)
In-Reply-To: <e04a6c9204091012487d927dcf@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <006b01c49778$2b7ba650$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25>

Thanks Bryan. All contributions gladly accepted.

-- Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Bryan Carbonnell
> Sent: 10 September 2004 20:49
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] DLL question (was Broadcast a message)
> 
> 
> On Fri, 10 Sep 2004 13:25:21 +0100, Andy Lacey 
> <andy at minstersystems.co.uk> wrote:
> > Thanks again Gustav. You're a star. I'll download this and 
> give it a 
> > try when I have a moment to breath.
> 
> OK, so I'm a bit late to this party, but if you want to 
> figure out the APIs, you can download a sample VB app that 
> shows how to send a message from 
> http://developer.novell.com/support/sample/tid> s/vbbrdcst/vbbrdcst.htm
> 
> You can also get the "full" API declarations from the VB 
> samples page at 
> http://developer.novell.com/support/sample/are> as/vbs.htm
> 
> 
> It's in the "Brainshare '98 Nice T111 - 
> Programming to the Client API with Visual Basic" download.
> 
> -- 
> Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com
> Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well 
> preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn 
> out, shouting "What a great ride!"
> -- 
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> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/a> ccessd
> Website: 
> http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 
> 



From BarbaraRyan at cox.net  Fri Sep 10 16:16:51 2004
From: BarbaraRyan at cox.net (Barbara Ryan)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 17:16:51 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Table description
References: <0F3AFAE449DD4A40BED8B6C4A97ABF5B15B348@MSG-MB3.icent.ic.gc.ca>
Message-ID: <002c01c4977b$7e08e420$0a00a8c0@cx470148a>

Thanks, Jack....that worked!.................Barb



----- Original Message ----- 
From: <Drawbridge.Jack at ic.gc.ca>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 3:58 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Table description


> Barbara,
> 
> Here's some code that will assist, hopefully. 
> I got some code from AccessD (Bill Mitchell) a few years ago.
> Just passing some back.
> 
> Sub testDesc()
> Dim y As Long
> Dim db As Database
> Dim tdf As TableDef
> Set db = CurrentDb()
> 
>  For y = 0 To db.TableDefs.Count - 1
>         Set tdf = db.TableDefs(y)
>               For z = 0 To tdf.Properties.Count - 1
>                 If tdf.Properties(z).Name = "Description" Then 
>                 Debug.Print tdf.Properties(z)
>               Next z
>  Next y
> End Sub
> 
> 
> jack
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Barbara Ryan
> Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 10:31 AM
> To: Access List
> Subject: [AccessD] Table description
> 
> 
> I am trying to find the description of a table (Access 97) using code.  I
> tried the following (which doesn't work):
> 
> For intI = 0 To db.TableDefs.Count - 1
>    Set MyDef = db.TableDefs(intI)
>    Debug.Print MyDef.Properties("Description").Value
> Next intI
> 
> Any ideas?
> 
> Thanks,
> Barb Ryan
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From ssharkins at bellsouth.net  Fri Sep 10 16:22:49 2004
From: ssharkins at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 17:22:49 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Fw: Tab limits for tab controls
References: <004401c49735$b533aca0$9865fea9@BILLONE><14524644046.20040910151444@cactus.dk><003201c4973d$a96d5350$9865fea9@BILLONE><15031074232.20040910170154@cactus.dk><006001c4974c$b155b7b0$9865fea9@BILLONE>
	<13634454643.20040910175815@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <015a01c4977e$70e90790$9865fea9@BILLONE>

>
> It's Friday Susan!!

=======Well, that explains a lot. ;)
>
> Are you settled after the move or are you sitting typing on top of
> some boxes still waiting to be unpacked (the boxes, not you)?

=======Everything's in storage and we're staying with relatives. It will be
a while before we're finally settled. It's a mess.

Susan H.



From ssharkins at bellsouth.net  Fri Sep 10 16:42:55 2004
From: ssharkins at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 17:42:55 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Express version numbers 
References: <009e01c49751$3ba01ab0$9865fea9@BILLONE>
Message-ID: <016801c4977f$24ea9290$9865fea9@BILLONE>

FWIW, also ran SELECT @@version and got 9 -- so I guess it uses the same
version numbers as SQL Server. I'm not sure whether I find that odd or not.
If anyone knows any different, please let me know. I half expected to see
1.0, 2.0 for the MSDN versions and then something akin to 3.0 for Express.

Thanks!
Susan H.


sp_dbcmptlevel [[@dbname=] 'database_name']

 [,[@new_cmptlevel=] version]



If you run this in SQL Server Express using an invalid version number, the
error message lists the SQL Server version numbers. It does make sense, if I
force it to. ;)



I also considered that the error message might just be wrong.



Does anyone know if this is supposed to use SQL Server version numbers
instead of Express/MSDN version numbers?
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From deanellis at iprimus.com.au  Fri Sep 10 17:30:22 2004
From: deanellis at iprimus.com.au (Dean Ellis)
Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 08:00:22 +0930
Subject: [AccessD] open a form at cordinates x, y
In-Reply-To: <b874372a04091012032a83ef0b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <NHBBJMFJGLBLEAIIABJMMELGCDAA.deanellis@iprimus.com.au>

Try placing Docmd.Movesize into your forms on open property. This allows you
to place the form x distance from the left, Y form the top as will as
stipulating width and height.

Cheers

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Francisco
Tapia
Sent: Saturday, 11 September 2004 4:34 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] open a form at cordinates x, y


I'd like to be able to be sure that my forms are opening up within
cordinates (x,y) off the top left side of the MDI window and hopefully
the application itself is at cords(x,y), I remember seeing someone
post code that would allow a recently opend window to be opened up at
the specified locations... am I making sense?

Thanks
--
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Fri Sep 10 17:37:26 2004
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 08:37:26 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Bid announcement
In-Reply-To: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJKEFMHJAA.john@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <4142B946.10501.81D1D55@lexacorp.com.pg>

On 10 Sep 2004 at 8:51, John Bartow wrote:

> Here is a rather odd sounding bid request I received from the state this
> morning:
> 
> Bid Title: Furnish E-Scrap removal, processing and disposal services
> 
> 
> I worked late the last couple of nights so I may be a bit confuso en la
> cabeza but does anyone know what this means?
> 
>

Disposal/recycling (so called eCycling)  of unwanted electronic equipment 
(e-scrap) is a major growth industry worldwide.







-- 
Stuart




From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Fri Sep 10 17:43:52 2004
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 08:43:52 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] emailing a newsletter
In-Reply-To: <200409101430.i8AEUIMw016991@ms-smtp-02.nyroc.rr.com>
References: <100F91B31300334B89EC531C9DCB0865065938@tccexch01.tappeconstruction.net>
Message-ID: <4142BAC8.20539.8230386@lexacorp.com.pg>

On 10 Sep 2004 at 10:30, augusta wrote:

> I have a client who has about 700 email addresses within an Access database
> to whom she would like to send a newsletter.
> 
> Can anyone suggest a good way of going about this, other than
> query/copy/paste in to outlook? 

I generally use Blat (either the exe or dll version) for this sort of 
thing.  http://www.geocities.com/toby_korn/blat/

> Also, for some reason when she does it this
> way, she can only use about 50 address.
> 

Many ISPs set up there SMTP servers to only accept 50 or so to addresses in 
a single message as an anti-spam measure.

Using Blat, you can easily send out one message to each address rather than 
bundling them so the limit doesn;t matter.




-- 
Stuart




From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Fri Sep 10 17:53:17 2004
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 08:53:17 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Fw: Tab limits for tab controls
In-Reply-To: <003401c4973d$b96af410$9865fea9@BILLONE>
Message-ID: <4142BCFD.25092.82BA2BD@lexacorp.com.pg>

On 10 Sep 2004 at 9:50, Susan Harkins wrote:

> I don't need that many -- but I'm writing about them and that's just part of
> the information -- I need to tell them how many tabs are allowed --  just
> part of a comprehensive look at the control. Don't worry, I'm also telling
> the gentle reader to NOT use them all. ;)
> 

I hope you are also covering the material in, or pointing the gentle reader 
to the Interface Hall of Shame section on tab controls:

http://digilander.libero.it/chiediloapippo/Engineering/iarchitect/tabs.htm

-- 
Stuart




From ssharkins at bellsouth.net  Fri Sep 10 18:42:35 2004
From: ssharkins at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 19:42:35 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Fw: Tab limits for tab controls
References: <4142BCFD.25092.82BA2BD@lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <004001c4978f$dcdd88c0$9865fea9@BILLONE>

Well, no... it's just an introductory look at the control itself -- the
basics. :) I told them not to use too many tabs and to not stuff each page
full, but other than that, it's all tutorial/technical stuff -- not best
practices per se. And publishers generally don't like to direct their
readers to the competition. :) But, it's a good piece, although I have to
admit -- I never thought I had to click OK just because the Ok button was on
the page.

Susan H.
>
> I hope you are also covering the material in, or pointing the gentle
reader
> to the Interface Hall of Shame section on tab controls:
>
> http://digilander.libero.it/chiediloapippo/Engineering/iarchitect/tabs.htm



From fhtapia at gmail.com  Fri Sep 10 18:47:23 2004
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 16:47:23 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] open a form at cordinates x, y
In-Reply-To: <NHBBJMFJGLBLEAIIABJMMELGCDAA.deanellis@iprimus.com.au>
References: <b874372a04091012032a83ef0b@mail.gmail.com>
	<NHBBJMFJGLBLEAIIABJMMELGCDAA.deanellis@iprimus.com.au>
Message-ID: <b874372a04091016476dfe416f@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks :D


On Sat, 11 Sep 2004 08:00:22 +0930, Dean Ellis <deanellis at iprimus.com.au> wrote:
> Try placing Docmd.Movesize into your forms on open property. This allows you
> to place the form x distance from the left, Y form the top as will as
> stipulating width and height.
> 
> Cheers
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Francisco
> Tapia
> Sent: Saturday, 11 September 2004 4:34 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] open a form at cordinates x, y
> 
> I'd like to be able to be sure that my forms are opening up within
> cordinates (x,y) off the top left side of the MDI window and hopefully
> the application itself is at cords(x,y), I remember seeing someone
> post code that would allow a recently opend window to be opened up at
> the specified locations... am I making sense?
> 
> Thanks
> --
> -Francisco
> --
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 
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> 



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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Fri Sep 10 18:49:18 2004
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 16:49:18 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] emailing a newsletter
References: <100F91B31300334B89EC531C9DCB0865065938@tccexch01.tappeconstruction.net>
	<4142BAC8.20539.8230386@lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <41423D7E.9080906@shaw.ca>

Newer versions of McAfee squawk in protest if you send out more than 5 
Emails in 5 seconds
It is changeable under Advanced WormStopper selections.

Stuart McLachlan wrote:

>On 10 Sep 2004 at 10:30, augusta wrote:
>
>  
>
>>I have a client who has about 700 email addresses within an Access database
>>to whom she would like to send a newsletter.
>>
>>Can anyone suggest a good way of going about this, other than
>>query/copy/paste in to outlook? 
>>    
>>
>
>I generally use Blat (either the exe or dll version) for this sort of 
>thing.  http://www.geocities.com/toby_korn/blat/
>
>  
>
>>Also, for some reason when she does it this
>>way, she can only use about 50 address.
>>
>>    
>>
>
>Many ISPs set up there SMTP servers to only accept 50 or so to addresses in 
>a single message as an anti-spam measure.
>
>Using Blat, you can easily send out one message to each address rather than 
>bundling them so the limit doesn;t matter.
>
>
>
>
>  
>

-- 
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Canada





From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Sep 10 19:36:25 2004
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 20:36:25 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Bid announcement
In-Reply-To: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJMEGFHJAA.john@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <000601c49797$6160db90$e8dafea9@ColbyM6805>

Yea, I read a big article on how the (mainland) Chinese are importing these
old computers for recycling, mostly the gold.  They have few if any real
pollution laws so they are creating huge toxic waste dumps when they dump
the unrecycled materials.  There are LOTS of very nasty stuff in a computer.
The West is essentially using them as a legal dumping ground.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 11:45 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Bid announcement


I recently read an old National Geographic (mid-1990s) article about Taiwan.
It showed heaps of old computer parts with laborers digging through it and
separating it by hand for processing. It stated it was mostly shipped in
from the U.S.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
Beach Access Software
Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 10:26 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Bid announcement


It's probably recycling old computers, monitors and other electronics with
toxics in them.  Big deal now.  Turns out old computers are loaded with bad
stuff.  Here about twice a year you can bring all your stuff to the stadium
for recycling.  I think HP sponsors it. I understand it's going over to
China where they extract the gold and other stuff.

Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
http://www.e-z-mrp.com


----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Waters" <dwaters at usinternet.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 7:55 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Bid announcement


> Maybe they want some code to help them sort the recyclables!
>
> Dan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
> Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 8:52 AM
> To: _DBA-Access
> Subject: [AccessD] Bid announcement
>
> Here is a rather odd sounding bid request I received from the state 
> this
> morning:
>
> Bid Title: Furnish E-Scrap removal, processing and disposal services
>
>
> I worked late the last couple of nights so I may be a bit confuso en 
> la cabeza but does anyone know what this means?
>
>
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From john at winhaven.net  Fri Sep 10 23:27:28 2004
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 23:27:28 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Bid announcement
In-Reply-To: <000601c49797$6160db90$e8dafea9@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIIEEEFOAA.john@winhaven.net>

They dump cheap crap on us via WalMart and we return the favor, eh?
:o)

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 7:36 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Bid announcement


Yea, I read a big article on how the (mainland) Chinese are importing these
old computers for recycling, mostly the gold.  They have few if any real
pollution laws so they are creating huge toxic waste dumps when they dump
the unrecycled materials.  There are LOTS of very nasty stuff in a computer.
The West is essentially using them as a legal dumping ground.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 11:45 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Bid announcement


I recently read an old National Geographic (mid-1990s) article about Taiwan.
It showed heaps of old computer parts with laborers digging through it and
separating it by hand for processing. It stated it was mostly shipped in
from the U.S.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
Beach Access Software
Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 10:26 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Bid announcement


It's probably recycling old computers, monitors and other electronics with
toxics in them.  Big deal now.  Turns out old computers are loaded with bad
stuff.  Here about twice a year you can bring all your stuff to the stadium
for recycling.  I think HP sponsors it. I understand it's going over to
China where they extract the gold and other stuff.

Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
http://www.e-z-mrp.com


----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Waters" <dwaters at usinternet.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 7:55 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Bid announcement


> Maybe they want some code to help them sort the recyclables!
>
> Dan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
> Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 8:52 AM
> To: _DBA-Access
> Subject: [AccessD] Bid announcement
>
> Here is a rather odd sounding bid request I received from the state
> this
> morning:
>
> Bid Title: Furnish E-Scrap removal, processing and disposal services
>
>
> I worked late the last couple of nights so I may be a bit confuso en
> la cabeza but does anyone know what this means?
>
>
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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Fri Sep 10 22:28:49 2004
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 20:28:49 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Parts and assemblies design
References: <000601c493a6$77855ee0$de1811d8@danwaters>
Message-ID: <414270F1.9030906@shaw.ca>

Yeah I kinda of figured that, it sounds like what happens with SOX 
compliance. But the NSA or one of it's alphabet cousins from its orange 
book certifies the certificate servers like RSA's probably at the B1 
level, I know SQL Server 2000 was certified at the lower C2 level.
There is a new certification system standard, used worldwide, called 
Common Criteria. EAL4 is one of the levels equivalent to C2.

It is easier to do some of this encryption in .Net as the classes are 
exposed by the WSE extension, which is more for web services
and Soap. These classes allow you to easily get at the 509 certificate 
stores.

Here is another package that allows access to various encryption methods 
such as Windows Crypto API and X 509
for VB and VBA. One of the complications addressed can be handling 
integer calculation beyond 32 bits.
Developer version is $159, not sure if that is Australian or US
http://www.di-mgt.com.au/crypto.html#howto

One of the problems they address is encryption of DBCS and Unicode for 
International character sets
which Rocky might run into
http://www.di-mgt.com.au/cryptoInternational.html

If you want to see what Soap X 509 encryption for an xml message, it 
looks like this
Most of which is boilerplate.

<?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-8"?>
<soap:Envelope xmlns:soap="http://schemas.xmlsoap.org/soap/envelope/"
xmlns:xsi="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema-instance"
xmlns:xsd="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema">
<soap:Header>
<wsu:Timestamp
xmlns:wsu="http://schemas.xmlsoap.org/ws/2002/07/utility">
<wsu:Created>2003-02-11T01:34:01Z</wsu:Created>
<wsu:Expires>2003-02-11T01:39:01Z</wsu:Expires>
</wsu:Timestamp>
<wsse:Security soap:mustUnderstand="1"
xmlns:wsse="http://schemas.xmlsoap.org/ws/2002/07/secext">
<xenc:EncryptedKey
Type="http://www.w3.org/2001/04/xmlenc#EncryptedKey"
xmlns:xenc="http://www.w3.org/2001/04/xmlenc#">
<xenc:EncryptionMethod
Algorithm="http://www.w3.org/2001/04/xmlenc#rsa-1_5" />
<KeyInfo xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/09/xmldsig#">
<wsse:SecurityTokenReference>
<wsse:KeyIdentifier ValueType="wsse:X509v3">
YmlKVwXYD8vuGuYliuIYdEAQQPw=
</wsse:KeyIdentifier>
</wsse:SecurityTokenReference>
</KeyInfo>
<xenc:CipherData>
<xenc:CipherValue>UJ64Addf3Fd59XsaQ=??&</xenc:CipherValue>
</xenc:CipherData>
<xenc:ReferenceList>
<xenc:DataReference URI=
"#EncryptedContent-608eef8b-4104-4469-95b6-7cb4703cfa03" />
</xenc:ReferenceList>
</xenc:EncryptedKey>
</wsse:Security>
</soap:Header>
<soap:Body xmlns:wsu="http://schemas.xmlsoap.org/ws/2002/07/utility"
wsu:Id="Id-70179c5b-4975-4932-9ecd-a58feb34b0d3">
<xenc:EncryptedData
Id="EncryptedContent-608eef8b-4104-4469-95b6-7cb4703cfa03"
Type="http://www.w3.org/2001/04/xmlenc#Content"
xmlns:xenc="http://www.w3.org/2001/04/xmlenc#">
<xenc:EncryptionMethod
Algorithm="http://www.w3.org/2001/04/xmlenc#tripledes-cbc" />
<xenc:CipherData>
<xenc:CipherValue>
4o1b4befwBJu6tzuaygfrAaX0UGtaYKcw2klIbuZPjLi...z8i2ypHN4+w==
</xenc:CipherValue>
</xenc:CipherData>
</xenc:EncryptedData>
</soap:Body>
</soap:Envelope>

Dan Waters wrote:

>Marty,
>
>I've talked with the FDA and it turns out that they themselves do not
>certify anything related to electronic signatures or records.  The FDA does
>certify an individual company's usage of such software or hardware.  
>
>This means that if a company like Alphatrust says that they have been
>certified by the FDA, they really mean that they have a customer who has
>been certified by the FDA.  
>
>The FDA takes this position because what is good for one company may not be
>good for another, and the FDA cannot apply a 'blanket' approval for any
>particular mechanism.  They also don't want to be in the position of
>limiting progress in the development of such mechanisms by certifying
>something, which then becomes the 'only way to go'.
>
>So - software developers like us need to work with our customer's Regulatory
>Managers to find out what the company's requirements actually are.  They
>will get more difficult as the medical device becomes more complicated or
>more important to saving lives or maintaining health.  
>
>Dan Waters
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
>Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 5:46 PM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Parts and assemblies design
>
>This may give you an idea what is involved, It is essentially an 
>envelope around the document
>with a seal that says it hasn't been modified after signing.
>
>If you are looking for signatures either digital or digitized (mouse or 
>stylus) that are FDA approved
>try things like Pronto from Alphatrust
>http://www.alphatrust.com/products/pronto/desktop.asp
>Their other products require IE access to a certificate server at around 
>$250 a month.
>Getting your own hardware certificate server certified by FDA may start 
>to cost you in $10,000 range.
>
>
>Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Dan:
>>
>>I have no shame.
>>
>>But I also have no electronic signature feature in the system.
>>
>>The system evolved when I first released it (1985) based on what the
>>customers wanted.  So I suppose the first customer who needs electronic
>>signatures will get it.  But I have no earthly idea how they work. Yet.
>>
>>Rocky
>>
>>----- Original Message ----- 
>>From: "Dan Waters" <dwaters at usinternet.com>
>>To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
>><accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>>Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 12:38 PM
>>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Parts and assemblies design
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>    
>>
>>>Hi Rocky!
>>>
>>>Yes that was shameless.  But good!
>>>
>>>I was wondering if you address electronic signatures, and if so, what's
>>>   
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>your
>> 
>>
>>    
>>
>>>approach?
>>>
>>>Thanks,
>>>Dan Waters
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
>>>Beach Access Software
>>>Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 2:18 PM
>>>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>>Cc: Tom Hintz
>>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Parts and assemblies design
>>>
>>>Eric:
>>>
>>>Shameless plug for my manufacturing system.  You can check it out at
>>>www.ezmrp.com
>>>
>>>It will do the structured bills of material that they need.
>>>
>>>I just added a Capacity Requirements Planning module to the system which
>>>does not yet show on the web site however.  In the CRP module you define
>>>work centers and then add routings for each assembly - queue time, set up
>>>time and unit run time for each operation.  Although it's not part of
>>>   
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>their
>> 
>>
>>    
>>
>>>immediate requirement, as a bonus, the CRP Calculate program will
>>>   
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>calculate
>> 
>>
>>    
>>
>>>how much of each work center's capacity is being used every day.
>>>
>>>Once they have that database built, since EZMRP is written in Access, and
>>>since the back end is wide open, you could easily write a report in their
>>>custom format, although E-Z-MRP does have a traveler report which shows
>>>   
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>the
>> 
>>
>>    
>>
>>>start date for each operation based on a specific work order, that work
>>>order's due date, and the assembly's lead time and, actually, the report
>>>   
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>you
>> 
>>
>>    
>>
>>>model there looks mostly like an indented bill of materials, which, of
>>>course, E-Z-MRP does.
>>>
>>>Starting with E-Z-MRP's framework might save you a LOT of development
>>>   
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>time.
>> 
>>
>>    
>>
>>>(BTW, the audit trail that it produces on each inventory transaction, to
>>>which you can attach a serial or lot number, also goes along way towards
>>>satisfying FDA requirements.)
>>>
>>>If you're interested after checking the web site, please contact me
>>>   
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>off-line
>> 
>>
>>    
>>
>>>at bchacc at san.rr.com and I'll give you a system to evaluate.  Or call if
>>>   
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>you
>> 
>>
>>    
>>
>>>want to talk about it - 858-259-4334.
>>>
>>>HTH
>>>
>>>Rocky Smolin
>>>Beach Access Software
>>>http://www.e-z-mrp.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>----- Original Message ----- 
>>>From: "Eric Goetz" <EricGoetz at egisystems.com>
>>>To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
>>>Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 11:32 AM
>>>Subject: [AccessD] Parts and assemblies design
>>>
>>>
>>>Hi,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>I am working on a database to replace some paper forms. I get the
>>>feeling I'm starting more "from scratch" than I need to. So I thought
>>>I'd ask if anyone knows of any examples of solutions for the following
>>>problem.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>A medical device manufacturer needs to track all the actions performed
>>>on each device as it moves through manufacturing to meet FDA
>>>requirements. The forms are called "travelers." The first traveler gets
>>>created when the device is built. A new traveler gets created every time
>>>the device returns from the field (for upgrade or repair.)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>The forms show each part with its revision, part number, lot number, or
>>>other attribute. There are different attributes for different types of
>>>parts. Such as, software has a checksum, and a revision number while a
>>>relay has does not. Instead, a relay has a lot number.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Here are a couple of my challenges:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>I am modeling parts and assemblies, where an assembly is also a part. As
>>>the devices come back from the field, they may get upgraded with
>>>different parts and assemblies so the hierarchy is flexible. There seems
>>>to be a many to many relationship between parts and assemblies. So, I
>>>made a basic parts table:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Part { ID, PartNumber, Name } where ID is the primary key
>>>
>>>Sample data:
>>>
>>>{ 1, 26.026, Enclosure }
>>>
>>>{ 57, 26.002, PCA }
>>>
>>>{ 113, 26.100, ECA }
>>>
>>>{ 114, 26.098, Xfrm }
>>>
>>>{ 115, 26.022, Xfrm }
>>>
>>>{ 116, 26.021, Xfrm }
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>And I made another table to hold the many to many assignments between
>>>parts and assemblies.
>>>
>>>AssyPartAssignment { ID, AssyID, PartID, Name } where ID is the primary
>>>key and AssyID and PartID are foreign keys for the ID in the Part table.
>>>
>>>Sample data:
>>>
>>>{ 1, 113, 57, Controller PCA }
>>>
>>>{ 2, 113, 1, ECA Enclosure }
>>>
>>>{ 3, 57, 114, Xfrm T1 }
>>>
>>>{ 4, 57, 115, Xfrm T2 }
>>>
>>>{ 5, 57, 116, Xfrm T3 }
>>>
>>>{ 6, 57, 115, Xfrm T4 }
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>The report needs to show this hierarchy.
>>>
>>>26.100 - ECA
>>>
>>> 26.026 - ECA Enclosure
>>>
>>>   26.002 - Controller PCA
>>>
>>>     26.098 - Xfrm T1
>>>
>>>     26.022 - Xfrm T2
>>>
>>>     26.021 - Xfrm T3
>>>
>>>     26.022 - Xfrm T4
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>The same transformer, 26.022 shows up twice in the PCA assembly.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>I'll build more tables for the different attributes of parts, such as,
>>>software with its checksum, and parts that have only lots, and parts
>>>that have revisions and lots. I'll use the ID key from the Part table as
>>>the primary key for the subtype tables based on the entity relationship
>>>chapter from the CJDate book.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>I need to make the forms to enter these variable hierarchies.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Got any suggestions that might put a little more holiday in my Labor
>>>Day?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Thanks,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Eric
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>> 
>>
>>    
>>
>
>  
>

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From serbach at new.rr.com  Sat Sep 11 07:47:55 2004
From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach)
Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 07:47:55 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] AHOO!!!  Got my action pack
In-Reply-To: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIAEDAFOAA.john@winhaven.net>
References: <20040910085237.629179895.serbach@new.rr.com>
	<LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIAEDAFOAA.john@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <20040911074755.447047747.serbach@new.rr.com>

John,

>> With the Universal MSDN you have the license for life not the subscription period. I wasn't going to re-subscribe last year due to the price but when Jim passed on the lower prices he had been getting I went ahead and re-subbed. I have no idea as to if this holds true for empower as I missed that great deal. <<

Isn't it true, though, that with the regular Univeral subscription that you're not on the hook for the extra requirements MS insists on? That is, announce and release a commercial product using MS technologies within two years of signing up; and acquiring one of the MS certifications? I've got a bunch of stuff already for the MCDBA, but where's the time coming from to get certified, eh?

Steve




From john at winhaven.net  Sat Sep 11 09:34:20 2004
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 09:34:20 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] AHOO!!!  Got my action pack
In-Reply-To: <20040911074755.447047747.serbach@new.rr.com>
Message-ID: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIMEEHFOAA.john@winhaven.net>

Steve,
No requirements at all (that I know).

Yes, certification - let's invent some time to do that it, eh? Maybe we can just skip meals and sleep for a few months?

John

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Steven W.
Erbach
Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2004 7:48 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] AHOO!!! Got my action pack


John,

>> With the Universal MSDN you have the license for life not the subscription period. I wasn't going to re-subscribe last year due to the price but when Jim passed on the lower prices he had been getting I went ahead and re-subbed. I have no idea as to if this holds true for empower as I missed that great deal. <<

Isn't it true, though, that with the regular Univeral subscription that you're not on the hook for the extra requirements MS insists on? That is, announce and release a commercial product using MS technologies within two years of signing up; and acquiring one of the MS certifications? I've got a bunch of stuff already for the MCDBA, but where's the time coming from to get certified, eh?

Steve


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From sgoodhall at comcast.net  Sat Sep 11 10:52:21 2004
From: sgoodhall at comcast.net (Steve Goodhall)
Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 11:52:21 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] emailing a newsletter
In-Reply-To: <4142BAC8.20539.8230386@lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <200409111553.i8BFr8630653@databaseadvisors.com>

Another option is to send from VBA using the Outlook object model.
Depending on the version and how you approach it, you may run across a
Microsoft security "feature" that prevents code from accessing the address
book.  The cure is Outlook Redemption (http://www.dimastr.com/redemption/).


I might have some code lying around.  If I find it, I will put it up on my
website and send another message.

Regards,

Steve Goodhall
www.goodhall.info/steve


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 6:44 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problemsolving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] emailing a newsletter

On 10 Sep 2004 at 10:30, augusta wrote:

> I have a client who has about 700 email addresses within an Access
database
> to whom she would like to send a newsletter.
> 
> Can anyone suggest a good way of going about this, other than
> query/copy/paste in to outlook? 

I generally use Blat (either the exe or dll version) for this sort of 
thing.  http://www.geocities.com/toby_korn/blat/

> Also, for some reason when she does it this
> way, she can only use about 50 address.
> 

Many ISPs set up there SMTP servers to only accept 50 or so to addresses in 
a single message as an anti-spam measure.

Using Blat, you can easily send out one message to each address rather than 
bundling them so the limit doesn;t matter.




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From Joe_Hecht at earthlink.net  Sat Sep 11 21:35:25 2004
From: Joe_Hecht at earthlink.net (Joe Hecht)
Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 19:35:25 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] emailing a newsletter
In-Reply-To: <200409101430.i8AEUIMw016991@ms-smtp-02.nyroc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <001501c49871$28c768a0$6401a8c0@delllaptop>

Check the archives for programs.

The clients ISP may have a limit to fight spam.

JOE HECHT
LOS ANGELES CA 
 jmhla at earthlink.net

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of augusta
Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 7:30 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] emailing a newsletter

I have a client who has about 700 email addresses within an Access database
to whom she would like to send a newsletter.

Can anyone suggest a good way of going about this, other than
query/copy/paste in to outlook? Also, for some reason when she does it this
way, she can only use about 50 address.

Thanks augusta


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From artful at rogers.com  Sun Sep 12 19:06:59 2004
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 20:06:59 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Fw: Tab limits for tab controls
In-Reply-To: <003401c4973d$b96af410$9865fea9@BILLONE>
Message-ID: <018501c49925$96c885a0$6501a8c0@rock>

What's wrong with tab controls? I use them a LOT in my interfaces. Mind
you, never 877 of them, but quite often say 10 tabs on 1 control, some
of whose pages contain another tab containing several pages. I love this
kind of interface.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 9:51 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Fw: Tab limits for tab controls


I don't need that many -- but I'm writing about them and that's just
part of the information -- I need to tell them how many tabs are allowed
--  just part of a comprehensive look at the control. Don't worry, I'm
also telling the gentle reader to NOT use them all. ;)

Susan H.



From ssharkins at bellsouth.net  Sun Sep 12 19:17:27 2004
From: ssharkins at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 20:17:27 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Fw: Tab limits for tab controls
References: <018501c49925$96c885a0$6501a8c0@rock>
Message-ID: <002c01c49927$395da830$9865fea9@BILLONE>

I said I told the reader not to use 877 tabs. I did NOT tell the reader not
to use tab controls.

Susan H.



> What's wrong with tab controls? I use them a LOT in my interfaces. Mind
> you, never 877 of them, but quite often say 10 tabs on 1 control, some
> of whose pages contain another tab containing several pages. I love this
> kind of interface.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
> Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 9:51 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Fw: Tab limits for tab controls
>
>
> I don't need that many -- but I'm writing about them and that's just
> part of the information -- I need to tell them how many tabs are allowed
> --  just part of a comprehensive look at the control. Don't worry, I'm
> also telling the gentle reader to NOT use them all. ;)
>
> Susan H.
>
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sun Sep 12 22:55:54 2004
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 13:55:54 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Fw: Tab limits for tab controls
In-Reply-To: <018501c49925$96c885a0$6501a8c0@rock>
References: <003401c4973d$b96af410$9865fea9@BILLONE>
Message-ID: <4145A6EA.4105.138D6132@lexacorp.com.pg>

On 12 Sep 2004 at 20:06, Arthur Fuller wrote:

> What's wrong with tab controls? I use them a LOT in my interfaces. Mind
> you, never 877 of them, but quite often say 10 tabs on 1 control, some
> of whose pages contain another tab containing several pages. I love this
> kind of interface.
> 

Nothing wrong with them as long as they are not misused.  See
http://digilander.libero.it/chiediloapippo/Engineering/iarchitect/tabs.htm



-- 
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From R.Griffiths at bury.gov.uk  Mon Sep 13 04:20:05 2004
From: R.Griffiths at bury.gov.uk (Griffiths, Richard)
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 10:20:05 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net
Message-ID: <F37DAC9A2964B144A2973EBCA8C54DBDABD3D0@BURY2K23.bury.gov.uk>

Hi Group

After advice and thoughts.  I have a piece of commercial software (library s/ware for schools) written with A97 FE and BE.  I am about to rewrite and can't decide over VB6 FE/A2K(DAO) BE or VB.net FE / A2K BE.(reason for change to VB as opposed to MS Access is that the VB footprint will be smaller 1-2mb [easier to email/download and manage than my 12-13 mb Access FE]).

On one hand the VB6 route will be quicker to develop (no learning curve) and I think to deploy. On the other hand VB.Net is the future (most likely!!)(and learning and developing in this will be more interesting and will spur me on) but I am concerned (mainly) about deployment as my users are not very IT literate and their pc's (at this time) are not up-to-date (some W95 many W98 32-64mb ram - I know .net is no go on W95).  So deployment of .net requires not only the framework but they need minimal Data Access 2.7, IE 5.01, Windows installer etc also installed.  But 6-12 months down the line I don't want to be in the posistion that having used VB6 to then consider rewriting in Vb.net.

What I can't gauge here is how significant these issues are (and any other issues).  So what I am hoping to get here is how you would approach this conundrum - tried and tested VB6 or new VB.net?

Thanks 

Richard





From viner at EUnet.yu  Mon Sep 13 04:46:08 2004
From: viner at EUnet.yu (Ervin Brindza)
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 11:46:08 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Re: emailing a newsletter
References: <FKEBJOENDDBJHLINGOBHCEPIFLAA.reuben@gfconsultants.com>
Message-ID: <000201c4997c$c11cc8a0$0100a8c0@razvoj>

Reuben,
could you share it, please?
Many TIA,
    Ervin
----- Original Message -----
From: "Reuben Cummings" <reuben at gfconsultants.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: 10 September, 2004 5:47 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] emailing a newsletter


> Augusta, I sent you a copy of a very small db that I have than can do what
> you are after.
>
> Reuben Cummings
> GFC, LLC
> phone: 812.523.1017
> email: reuben at gfconsultants.com
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of augusta
> > Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 9:30 AM
> > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > Subject: [AccessD] emailing a newsletter
> >
> >
> > I have a client who has about 700 email addresses within an
> > Access database
> > to whom she would like to send a newsletter.
> >
> > Can anyone suggest a good way of going about this, other than
> > query/copy/paste in to outlook? Also, for some reason when she
> > does it this
> > way, she can only use about 50 address.
> >
> > Thanks augusta
> >
> >
> > --
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> >
>
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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Mon Sep 13 06:46:50 2004
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 06:46:50 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net
In-Reply-To: <26592636.1095067601864.JavaMail.root@sniper6.usinternet.com>
Message-ID: <000001c49987$5ba4d3e0$de1811d8@danwaters>

Richard,

I've recently seen that whenever I compress a database FE, the compressed
size is 20% - 25% of its original size.  This would make emailing a FE a bit
easier.

Dan Waters

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Griffiths,
Richard
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 4:20 AM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net

Hi Group

After advice and thoughts.  I have a piece of commercial software (library
s/ware for schools) written with A97 FE and BE.  I am about to rewrite and
can't decide over VB6 FE/A2K(DAO) BE or VB.net FE / A2K BE.(reason for
change to VB as opposed to MS Access is that the VB footprint will be
smaller 1-2mb [easier to email/download and manage than my 12-13 mb Access
FE]).

On one hand the VB6 route will be quicker to develop (no learning curve) and
I think to deploy. On the other hand VB.Net is the future (most
likely!!)(and learning and developing in this will be more interesting and
will spur me on) but I am concerned (mainly) about deployment as my users
are not very IT literate and their pc's (at this time) are not up-to-date
(some W95 many W98 32-64mb ram - I know .net is no go on W95).  So
deployment of .net requires not only the framework but they need minimal
Data Access 2.7, IE 5.01, Windows installer etc also installed.  But 6-12
months down the line I don't want to be in the posistion that having used
VB6 to then consider rewriting in Vb.net.

What I can't gauge here is how significant these issues are (and any other
issues).  So what I am hoping to get here is how you would approach this
conundrum - tried and tested VB6 or new VB.net?

Thanks 

Richard



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From ssharkins at bellsouth.net  Mon Sep 13 07:02:30 2004
From: ssharkins at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 08:02:30 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net
References: <000001c49987$5ba4d3e0$de1811d8@danwaters>
Message-ID: <007201c49989$8ff71340$9865fea9@BILLONE>

I'm not a .NET expert by any means and don't plan on becoming one, but I
would like to mention that the learning curve is pretty steep. Charlotte and
a few others here are tackling it and I'm sure they can give you some
excellent advice.

Begs the question -- is rewriting or actually creating a new app the best
way to learn a new technology? I know that I, personally, probably would not
try it -- I don't think I could learn it and do a good job at the same time.
But then, I don't "develop" in the same way you guys do - development is not
my livlihood. On the other hand, I have the luxury of being able to write
about what I learn, as I'm learning, so that takes the edge off of the whole
experience for me. I know many of you can't stop working to learn -- you
have to try to do both at the same time -- which is what I'm doing myself.

Susan H.

> What I can't gauge here is how significant these issues are (and any other
> issues).  So what I am hoping to get here is how you would approach this
> conundrum - tried and tested VB6 or new VB.net?



From michael at ddisolutions.com.au  Mon Sep 13 07:38:12 2004
From: michael at ddisolutions.com.au (Michael Maddison)
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 22:38:12 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net
Message-ID: <59A61174B1F5B54B97FD4ADDE71E7D01011B8C@ddi-01.DDI.local>

Given your target market I'd probably stick with VB6.
VB6 will be supported for many years to come yet!

Port to VB,
then in your spare time <g> start rewriting in .net
You will probably rewrite your 1st attempts a few times as you pick it
up anyway so if you are confident in VB6 stick with that
for your bread n butter.

cheers

Michael M



Hi Group

After advice and thoughts.  I have a piece of commercial software
(library s/ware for schools) written with A97 FE and BE.  I am about to
rewrite and can't decide over VB6 FE/A2K(DAO) BE or VB.net FE / A2K
BE.(reason for change to VB as opposed to MS Access is that the VB
footprint will be smaller 1-2mb [easier to email/download and manage
than my 12-13 mb Access FE]).

On one hand the VB6 route will be quicker to develop (no learning curve)
and I think to deploy. On the other hand VB.Net is the future (most
likely!!)(and learning and developing in this will be more interesting
and will spur me on) but I am concerned (mainly) about deployment as my
users are not very IT literate and their pc's (at this time) are not
up-to-date (some W95 many W98 32-64mb ram - I know .net is no go on
W95).  So deployment of .net requires not only the framework but they
need minimal Data Access 2.7, IE 5.01, Windows installer etc also
installed.  But 6-12 months down the line I don't want to be in the
posistion that having used VB6 to then consider rewriting in Vb.net.

What I can't gauge here is how significant these issues are (and any
other issues).  So what I am hoping to get here is how you would
approach this conundrum - tried and tested VB6 or new VB.net?

Thanks 

Richard



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From jimdettman at earthlink.net  Mon Sep 13 07:44:35 2004
From: jimdettman at earthlink.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 08:44:35 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net
In-Reply-To: <F37DAC9A2964B144A2973EBCA8C54DBDABD3D0@BURY2K23.bury.gov.uk>
Message-ID: <NEBBKADGELICHEJJCKGKGEEOKDAA.jimdettman@earthlink.net>

Richard,

  I think rather then the worrying about the front end, you should be
considering the BE and the technology behind it.  However without knowing a
lot more about your app, it's hard to say if that's critical or not.  Also,
you didn't mention why you were considering moving from developing the FE in
Access itself.

  As for VB.Net, I've been ignoring it for the most part for some of the
same reasons you outline (distribution) plus the fact that it has a large
learning curve.  I can't see spending the time on that when I already have
tools at my disposal that do the job fine. And I'm not the only one.
Overall it seems that .Net has been poorly received by the development
community.  Most developers I know are happy (for the most part) with what
they already have/know.  Of course a lot depends on the types of apps you
develop and the end users you target.  I think most of us on this list are
on the smaller end of the scale developing typical business type apps for 50
concurrent users or less.

  How about a quick un-scientific poll?

1. Do you currently develop in .Net (you know it and use it on a regular
basis)
2. Are you learning .Net for a project (your just starting out with it and
have done a small project or two).
3. Don't know anything about it, but are interested in it.
4. Could care less.

  I'm firmly at #4 for the moment.

Jim Dettman
(315) 699-3443
jimdettman at earthlink.net

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Griffiths,
Richard
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 5:20 AM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net


Hi Group

After advice and thoughts.  I have a piece of commercial software (library
s/ware for schools) written with A97 FE and BE.  I am about to rewrite and
can't decide over VB6 FE/A2K(DAO) BE or VB.net FE / A2K BE.(reason for
change to VB as opposed to MS Access is that the VB footprint will be
smaller 1-2mb [easier to email/download and manage than my 12-13 mb Access
FE]).

On one hand the VB6 route will be quicker to develop (no learning curve) and
I think to deploy. On the other hand VB.Net is the future (most
likely!!)(and learning and developing in this will be more interesting and
will spur me on) but I am concerned (mainly) about deployment as my users
are not very IT literate and their pc's (at this time) are not up-to-date
(some W95 many W98 32-64mb ram - I know .net is no go on W95).  So
deployment of .net requires not only the framework but they need minimal
Data Access 2.7, IE 5.01, Windows installer etc also installed.  But 6-12
months down the line I don't want to be in the posistion that having used
VB6 to then consider rewriting in Vb.net.

What I can't gauge here is how significant these issues are (and any other
issues).  So what I am hoping to get here is how you would approach this
conundrum - tried and tested VB6 or new VB.net?

Thanks

Richard



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From JHewson at karta.com  Mon Sep 13 07:58:25 2004
From: JHewson at karta.com (Jim Hewson)
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 07:58:25 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net
Message-ID: <9C382E065F54AE48BC3AA7925DCBB01C0103E2FE@karta-exc-int.Karta.com>

I'm at #4.
I don't have the time nor the inclination to learn it.
Jim Hewson

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 7:45 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net


Richard,

  I think rather then the worrying about the front end, you should be
considering the BE and the technology behind it.  However without knowing a
lot more about your app, it's hard to say if that's critical or not.  Also,
you didn't mention why you were considering moving from developing the FE in
Access itself.

  As for VB.Net, I've been ignoring it for the most part for some of the
same reasons you outline (distribution) plus the fact that it has a large
learning curve.  I can't see spending the time on that when I already have
tools at my disposal that do the job fine. And I'm not the only one.
Overall it seems that .Net has been poorly received by the development
community.  Most developers I know are happy (for the most part) with what
they already have/know.  Of course a lot depends on the types of apps you
develop and the end users you target.  I think most of us on this list are
on the smaller end of the scale developing typical business type apps for 50
concurrent users or less.

  How about a quick un-scientific poll?

1. Do you currently develop in .Net (you know it and use it on a regular
basis)
2. Are you learning .Net for a project (your just starting out with it and
have done a small project or two).
3. Don't know anything about it, but are interested in it.
4. Could care less.

  I'm firmly at #4 for the moment.

Jim Dettman
(315) 699-3443
jimdettman at earthlink.net

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Griffiths,
Richard
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 5:20 AM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net


Hi Group

After advice and thoughts.  I have a piece of commercial software (library
s/ware for schools) written with A97 FE and BE.  I am about to rewrite and
can't decide over VB6 FE/A2K(DAO) BE or VB.net FE / A2K BE.(reason for
change to VB as opposed to MS Access is that the VB footprint will be
smaller 1-2mb [easier to email/download and manage than my 12-13 mb Access
FE]).

On one hand the VB6 route will be quicker to develop (no learning curve) and
I think to deploy. On the other hand VB.Net is the future (most
likely!!)(and learning and developing in this will be more interesting and
will spur me on) but I am concerned (mainly) about deployment as my users
are not very IT literate and their pc's (at this time) are not up-to-date
(some W95 many W98 32-64mb ram - I know .net is no go on W95).  So
deployment of .net requires not only the framework but they need minimal
Data Access 2.7, IE 5.01, Windows installer etc also installed.  But 6-12
months down the line I don't want to be in the posistion that having used
VB6 to then consider rewriting in Vb.net.

What I can't gauge here is how significant these issues are (and any other
issues).  So what I am hoping to get here is how you would approach this
conundrum - tried and tested VB6 or new VB.net?

Thanks

Richard



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From Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org  Mon Sep 13 08:12:34 2004
From: Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 09:12:34 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net
Message-ID: <08F823FD83787D4BA0B99CA580AD3C74089B8C@TTNEXCHCL2.hshhp.com>

If you're an Access developer and plan on remaining one forever then maybe (and only maybe) you can choose to ignore the .NET platform.  There's always talk of a .NET supported Access version so you may well need to look at it at some time.  

If you're interested in web development than it should not be ignored (and in fact should be considered) and although there are still security issues web services give us a chance to talk to disparate systems and ease creation of distributed applications.  There are already hooks into Word and Excel so can Access be far behind?  I doubt it (IMHO).

Jim DeMarco

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim Hewson
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 8:58 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net


I'm at #4.
I don't have the time nor the inclination to learn it.
Jim Hewson

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 7:45 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net


Richard,

  I think rather then the worrying about the front end, you should be
considering the BE and the technology behind it.  However without knowing a
lot more about your app, it's hard to say if that's critical or not.  Also,
you didn't mention why you were considering moving from developing the FE in
Access itself.

  As for VB.Net, I've been ignoring it for the most part for some of the
same reasons you outline (distribution) plus the fact that it has a large
learning curve.  I can't see spending the time on that when I already have
tools at my disposal that do the job fine. And I'm not the only one.
Overall it seems that .Net has been poorly received by the development
community.  Most developers I know are happy (for the most part) with what
they already have/know.  Of course a lot depends on the types of apps you
develop and the end users you target.  I think most of us on this list are
on the smaller end of the scale developing typical business type apps for 50
concurrent users or less.

  How about a quick un-scientific poll?

1. Do you currently develop in .Net (you know it and use it on a regular
basis)
2. Are you learning .Net for a project (your just starting out with it and
have done a small project or two).
3. Don't know anything about it, but are interested in it.
4. Could care less.

  I'm firmly at #4 for the moment.

Jim Dettman
(315) 699-3443
jimdettman at earthlink.net

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Griffiths,
Richard
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 5:20 AM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net


Hi Group

After advice and thoughts.  I have a piece of commercial software (library
s/ware for schools) written with A97 FE and BE.  I am about to rewrite and
can't decide over VB6 FE/A2K(DAO) BE or VB.net FE / A2K BE.(reason for
change to VB as opposed to MS Access is that the VB footprint will be
smaller 1-2mb [easier to email/download and manage than my 12-13 mb Access
FE]).

On one hand the VB6 route will be quicker to develop (no learning curve) and
I think to deploy. On the other hand VB.Net is the future (most
likely!!)(and learning and developing in this will be more interesting and
will spur me on) but I am concerned (mainly) about deployment as my users
are not very IT literate and their pc's (at this time) are not up-to-date
(some W95 many W98 32-64mb ram - I know .net is no go on W95).  So
deployment of .net requires not only the framework but they need minimal
Data Access 2.7, IE 5.01, Windows installer etc also installed.  But 6-12
months down the line I don't want to be in the posistion that having used
VB6 to then consider rewriting in Vb.net.

What I can't gauge here is how significant these issues are (and any other
issues).  So what I am hoping to get here is how you would approach this
conundrum - tried and tested VB6 or new VB.net?

Thanks

Richard



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From Jeff at OUTBAKTech.com  Mon Sep 13 08:29:26 2004
From: Jeff at OUTBAKTech.com (Jeff Barrows)
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 08:29:26 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net
Message-ID: <8DA8776D2F418E46A2A464AC6CE630500326B9@outbaksrv1.outbaktech.com>

#2
I even got MCAD, MCSD Certified
 
Jeff B

	-----Original Message----- 
	From: Jim Hewson [mailto:JHewson at karta.com] 
	Sent: Mon 9/13/2004 7:58 AM 
	To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
	Cc: 
	Subject: RE: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net
	
	

	I'm at #4.
	I don't have the time nor the inclination to learn it.
	Jim Hewson
	
	-----Original Message-----
	From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
	[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
	Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 7:45 AM
	To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
	Subject: RE: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net
	
	
	Richard,
	
	  I think rather then the worrying about the front end, you should be
	considering the BE and the technology behind it.  However without knowing a
	lot more about your app, it's hard to say if that's critical or not.  Also,
	you didn't mention why you were considering moving from developing the FE in
	Access itself.
	
	  As for VB.Net, I've been ignoring it for the most part for some of the
	same reasons you outline (distribution) plus the fact that it has a large
	learning curve.  I can't see spending the time on that when I already have
	tools at my disposal that do the job fine. And I'm not the only one.
	Overall it seems that .Net has been poorly received by the development
	community.  Most developers I know are happy (for the most part) with what
	they already have/know.  Of course a lot depends on the types of apps you
	develop and the end users you target.  I think most of us on this list are
	on the smaller end of the scale developing typical business type apps for 50
	concurrent users or less.
	
	  How about a quick un-scientific poll?
	
	1. Do you currently develop in .Net (you know it and use it on a regular
	basis)
	2. Are you learning .Net for a project (your just starting out with it and
	have done a small project or two).
	3. Don't know anything about it, but are interested in it.
	4. Could care less.
	
	  I'm firmly at #4 for the moment.
	
	Jim Dettman
	(315) 699-3443
	jimdettman at earthlink.net
	
	-----Original Message-----
	From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
	[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Griffiths,
	Richard
	Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 5:20 AM
	To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
	Subject: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net
	
	
	Hi Group
	
	After advice and thoughts.  I have a piece of commercial software (library
	s/ware for schools) written with A97 FE and BE.  I am about to rewrite and
	can't decide over VB6 FE/A2K(DAO) BE or VB.net FE / A2K BE.(reason for
	change to VB as opposed to MS Access is that the VB footprint will be
	smaller 1-2mb [easier to email/download and manage than my 12-13 mb Access
	FE]).
	
	On one hand the VB6 route will be quicker to develop (no learning curve) and
	I think to deploy. On the other hand VB.Net is the future (most
	likely!!)(and learning and developing in this will be more interesting and
	will spur me on) but I am concerned (mainly) about deployment as my users
	are not very IT literate and their pc's (at this time) are not up-to-date
	(some W95 many W98 32-64mb ram - I know .net is no go on W95).  So
	deployment of .net requires not only the framework but they need minimal
	Data Access 2.7, IE 5.01, Windows installer etc also installed.  But 6-12
	months down the line I don't want to be in the posistion that having used
	VB6 to then consider rewriting in Vb.net.
	
	What I can't gauge here is how significant these issues are (and any other
	issues).  So what I am hoping to get here is how you would approach this
	conundrum - tried and tested VB6 or new VB.net?
	
	Thanks
	
	Richard
	
	
	
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From R.Griffiths at bury.gov.uk  Mon Sep 13 08:37:24 2004
From: R.Griffiths at bury.gov.uk (Griffiths, Richard)
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 14:37:24 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net
Message-ID: <F37DAC9A2964B144A2973EBCA8C54DBDABD3D1@BURY2K23.bury.gov.uk>

Dan
Its been compacted and mde'd - reports etc take up space (I know I could write a separate FE for reports but this is what I am trying to avoid - using VB and crystal allows new reports to be send quickly and easily for example)
thanks
Richard


-----Original Message-----
From:	Dan Waters [mailto:dwaters at usinternet.com]
Sent:	Mon 13/09/2004 12:46
To:	'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Cc:	
Subject:	RE: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net

Richard,

I've recently seen that whenever I compress a database FE, the compressed
size is 20% - 25% of its original size.  This would make emailing a FE a bit
easier.

Dan Waters

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Griffiths,
Richard
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 4:20 AM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net

Hi Group

After advice and thoughts.  I have a piece of commercial software (library
s/ware for schools) written with A97 FE and BE.  I am about to rewrite and
can't decide over VB6 FE/A2K(DAO) BE or VB.net FE / A2K BE.(reason for
change to VB as opposed to MS Access is that the VB footprint will be
smaller 1-2mb [easier to email/download and manage than my 12-13 mb Access
FE]).

On one hand the VB6 route will be quicker to develop (no learning curve) and
I think to deploy. On the other hand VB.Net is the future (most
likely!!)(and learning and developing in this will be more interesting and
will spur me on) but I am concerned (mainly) about deployment as my users
are not very IT literate and their pc's (at this time) are not up-to-date
(some W95 many W98 32-64mb ram - I know .net is no go on W95).  So
deployment of .net requires not only the framework but they need minimal
Data Access 2.7, IE 5.01, Windows installer etc also installed.  But 6-12
months down the line I don't want to be in the posistion that having used
VB6 to then consider rewriting in Vb.net.

What I can't gauge here is how significant these issues are (and any other
issues).  So what I am hoping to get here is how you would approach this
conundrum - tried and tested VB6 or new VB.net?

Thanks 

Richard



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From BBarabash at TappeConstruction.com  Mon Sep 13 08:40:36 2004
From: BBarabash at TappeConstruction.com (Brett Barabash)
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 08:40:36 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net
Message-ID: <100F91B31300334B89EC531C9DCB0865065942@tccexch01.tappeconstruction.net>

#2.
When evaluating dev tools for an upcoming project, it became apparent to
me that the new OO capabilities of .NET would be worth the learning
curve.

Judging by the developer journals and 3rd party tool developers, I
wouldn't say that it has been "poorly received".  It's getting tough to
find VB6 articles in print or online.

I've already gotten into the "which is better" war on this list, so I'll
save it this time.  However, after a week long boot camp course, I
firmly believe that it's the best tool for the job, regardless of how
many other developers agree.


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 7:45 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net


Richard,

  I think rather then the worrying about the front end, you should be
considering the BE and the technology behind it.  However without
knowing a lot more about your app, it's hard to say if that's critical
or not.  Also, you didn't mention why you were considering moving from
developing the FE in Access itself.

  As for VB.Net, I've been ignoring it for the most part for some of the
same reasons you outline (distribution) plus the fact that it has a
large learning curve.  I can't see spending the time on that when I
already have tools at my disposal that do the job fine. And I'm not the
only one.
Overall it seems that .Net has been poorly received by the development
community.  Most developers I know are happy (for the most part) with
what they already have/know.  Of course a lot depends on the types of
apps you develop and the end users you target.  I think most of us on
this list are on the smaller end of the scale developing typical
business type apps for 50 concurrent users or less.

  How about a quick un-scientific poll?

1. Do you currently develop in .Net (you know it and use it on a regular
basis)
2. Are you learning .Net for a project (your just starting out with it
and have done a small project or two).
3. Don't know anything about it, but are interested in it.
4. Could care less.

  I'm firmly at #4 for the moment.

Jim Dettman
(315) 699-3443
jimdettman at earthlink.net

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Griffiths,
Richard
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 5:20 AM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net


Hi Group

After advice and thoughts.  I have a piece of commercial software
(library s/ware for schools) written with A97 FE and BE.  I am about to
rewrite and can't decide over VB6 FE/A2K(DAO) BE or VB.net FE / A2K
BE.(reason for change to VB as opposed to MS Access is that the VB
footprint will be smaller 1-2mb [easier to email/download and manage
than my 12-13 mb Access FE]).

On one hand the VB6 route will be quicker to develop (no learning curve)
and I think to deploy. On the other hand VB.Net is the future (most
likely!!)(and learning and developing in this will be more interesting
and will spur me on) but I am concerned (mainly) about deployment as my
users are not very IT literate and their pc's (at this time) are not
up-to-date (some W95 many W98 32-64mb ram - I know .net is no go on
W95).  So deployment of .net requires not only the framework but they
need minimal Data Access 2.7, IE 5.01, Windows installer etc also
installed.  But 6-12 months down the line I don't want to be in the
posistion that having used
VB6 to then consider rewriting in Vb.net.

What I can't gauge here is how significant these issues are (and any
other issues).  So what I am hoping to get here is how you would
approach this conundrum - tried and tested VB6 or new VB.net?

Thanks

Richard


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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Sep 13 09:03:46 2004
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 10:03:46 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net
In-Reply-To: <100F91B31300334B89EC531C9DCB0865065942@tccexch01.tappeconstruction.net>
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>after a week long boot camp course, I firmly believe that it's the best
tool for the job

The primary function of boot camp is brainwashing.

;-)

I went to boot camp, I know!

However I agree with you, .net is a VERY powerful tool.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brett Barabash
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 9:41 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net


#2.
When evaluating dev tools for an upcoming project, it became apparent to me
that the new OO capabilities of .NET would be worth the learning curve.

Judging by the developer journals and 3rd party tool developers, I wouldn't
say that it has been "poorly received".  It's getting tough to find VB6
articles in print or online.

I've already gotten into the "which is better" war on this list, so I'll
save it this time.  However, after a week long boot camp course, I firmly
believe that it's the best tool for the job, regardless of how many other
developers agree.


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 7:45 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net


Richard,

  I think rather then the worrying about the front end, you should be
considering the BE and the technology behind it.  However without knowing a
lot more about your app, it's hard to say if that's critical or not.  Also,
you didn't mention why you were considering moving from developing the FE in
Access itself.

  As for VB.Net, I've been ignoring it for the most part for some of the
same reasons you outline (distribution) plus the fact that it has a large
learning curve.  I can't see spending the time on that when I already have
tools at my disposal that do the job fine. And I'm not the only one. Overall
it seems that .Net has been poorly received by the development community.
Most developers I know are happy (for the most part) with what they already
have/know.  Of course a lot depends on the types of apps you develop and the
end users you target.  I think most of us on this list are on the smaller
end of the scale developing typical business type apps for 50 concurrent
users or less.

  How about a quick un-scientific poll?

1. Do you currently develop in .Net (you know it and use it on a regular
basis)
2. Are you learning .Net for a project (your just starting out with it and
have done a small project or two). 3. Don't know anything about it, but are
interested in it. 4. Could care less.

  I'm firmly at #4 for the moment.

Jim Dettman
(315) 699-3443
jimdettman at earthlink.net

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Griffiths, Richard
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 5:20 AM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net


Hi Group

After advice and thoughts.  I have a piece of commercial software (library
s/ware for schools) written with A97 FE and BE.  I am about to rewrite and
can't decide over VB6 FE/A2K(DAO) BE or VB.net FE / A2K BE.(reason for
change to VB as opposed to MS Access is that the VB footprint will be
smaller 1-2mb [easier to email/download and manage than my 12-13 mb Access
FE]).

On one hand the VB6 route will be quicker to develop (no learning curve) and
I think to deploy. On the other hand VB.Net is the future (most
likely!!)(and learning and developing in this will be more interesting and
will spur me on) but I am concerned (mainly) about deployment as my users
are not very IT literate and their pc's (at this time) are not up-to-date
(some W95 many W98 32-64mb ram - I know .net is no go on W95).  So
deployment of .net requires not only the framework but they need minimal
Data Access 2.7, IE 5.01, Windows installer etc also installed.  But 6-12
months down the line I don't want to be in the posistion that having used
VB6 to then consider rewriting in Vb.net.

What I can't gauge here is how significant these issues are (and any other
issues).  So what I am hoping to get here is how you would approach this
conundrum - tried and tested VB6 or new VB.net?

Thanks

Richard


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From R.Griffiths at bury.gov.uk  Mon Sep 13 09:10:52 2004
From: R.Griffiths at bury.gov.uk (Griffiths, Richard)
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 15:10:52 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net
Message-ID: <F37DAC9A2964B144A2973EBCA8C54DBDABD3D2@BURY2K23.bury.gov.uk>

Hi

Thanks for all your replies (keep'em coming).

A few months ago I was leaning towards keeping it to VB6 but since then I have started using VB.net...and after initial head scratching it appears to be not that difficult ie learning curve less steep that I first thought (just talking usual VB/VBA application development - not the whole .net thingy).  

It reminds me a little like when I started using VB6 after many years of MS Access (I thought VB6 was going to be this daunting big programming thing - but its (VB6) as simple (or otherwise) as Access/VBA.  I think VB.net will be the same (there is tons of free code to help you on the net). 

I am also leaning towards .net as when you've programmed for many years I find that sometimes you hit saturation point i.e. you can't face writing another line of code - the one thing that can overcome this is new technology/languages etc. and this challenge refeshes the programming desire within - I find anyway.  

As I was unsure of the deployment issue I did do some testing this morning and copied dotnetfx.exe (redistributable .net framework)  to a W98 machine and installed - no problems.  Installed Data Access 2.7 - no problems. I then simply copied an A2K BE mdb over with Vb.net exe . Double-clicked the exe and pleasingly/surprisingly it loaded the form, connected the db and ran okay. (I know this is a limited one machine test).

I'm still not sure which way to go (especially as the replies thus far lean away from VB.Net) but I shall welcome further replies.

Many thanks

Richard









-----Original Message-----
From:	Jim Dettman [mailto:jimdettman at earthlink.net]
Sent:	Mon 13/09/2004 13:44
To:	Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Cc:	
Subject:	RE: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net

Richard,

  I think rather then the worrying about the front end, you should be
considering the BE and the technology behind it.  However without knowing a
lot more about your app, it's hard to say if that's critical or not.  Also,
you didn't mention why you were considering moving from developing the FE in
Access itself.

  As for VB.Net, I've been ignoring it for the most part for some of the
same reasons you outline (distribution) plus the fact that it has a large
learning curve.  I can't see spending the time on that when I already have
tools at my disposal that do the job fine. And I'm not the only one.
Overall it seems that .Net has been poorly received by the development
community.  Most developers I know are happy (for the most part) with what
they already have/know.  Of course a lot depends on the types of apps you
develop and the end users you target.  I think most of us on this list are
on the smaller end of the scale developing typical business type apps for 50
concurrent users or less.

  How about a quick un-scientific poll?

1. Do you currently develop in .Net (you know it and use it on a regular
basis)
2. Are you learning .Net for a project (your just starting out with it and
have done a small project or two).
3. Don't know anything about it, but are interested in it.
4. Could care less.

  I'm firmly at #4 for the moment.

Jim Dettman
(315) 699-3443
jimdettman at earthlink.net

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Griffiths,
Richard
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 5:20 AM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net


Hi Group

After advice and thoughts.  I have a piece of commercial software (library
s/ware for schools) written with A97 FE and BE.  I am about to rewrite and
can't decide over VB6 FE/A2K(DAO) BE or VB.net FE / A2K BE.(reason for
change to VB as opposed to MS Access is that the VB footprint will be
smaller 1-2mb [easier to email/download and manage than my 12-13 mb Access
FE]).

On one hand the VB6 route will be quicker to develop (no learning curve) and
I think to deploy. On the other hand VB.Net is the future (most
likely!!)(and learning and developing in this will be more interesting and
will spur me on) but I am concerned (mainly) about deployment as my users
are not very IT literate and their pc's (at this time) are not up-to-date
(some W95 many W98 32-64mb ram - I know .net is no go on W95).  So
deployment of .net requires not only the framework but they need minimal
Data Access 2.7, IE 5.01, Windows installer etc also installed.  But 6-12
months down the line I don't want to be in the posistion that having used
VB6 to then consider rewriting in Vb.net.

What I can't gauge here is how significant these issues are (and any other
issues).  So what I am hoping to get here is how you would approach this
conundrum - tried and tested VB6 or new VB.net?

Thanks

Richard



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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Mon Sep 13 09:29:48 2004
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (DWUTKA at marlow.com)
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 09:29:48 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Fw: Tab limits for tab controls
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8031BB369@main2.marlow.com>

Interesting.  only read the first half though.  As far as interface flaws,
one of the worst I have seen, is the Microsoft Access User Level Security.
There is no problem with tabs, but what is extremely aggrevating is the
incessant need for the system for you to press Okay after every change.  If
you don't press Okay, you are prompted if you want to apply the change you
just made each and every time.  Ugh.  I know this applies to Access 97,
don't know if later versions changed that or not.

Drew

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Stuart
McLachlan
Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 5:53 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Fw: Tab limits for tab controls


On 10 Sep 2004 at 9:50, Susan Harkins wrote:

> I don't need that many -- but I'm writing about them and that's just part
of
> the information -- I need to tell them how many tabs are allowed --  just
> part of a comprehensive look at the control. Don't worry, I'm also telling
> the gentle reader to NOT use them all. ;)
> 

I hope you are also covering the material in, or pointing the gentle reader 
to the Interface Hall of Shame section on tab controls:

http://digilander.libero.it/chiediloapippo/Engineering/iarchitect/tabs.htm

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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Mon Sep 13 09:35:58 2004
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (DWUTKA at marlow.com)
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 09:35:58 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8031BB36A@main2.marlow.com>

VB 6 is going to last a long time.  It is going to take a major, VERY major
OS change to require 'upgrading' VB 6.0 applications.  If you have some
clients that cannot even use VB.NET yet, I would say that isn't even an
option then.

Just out of curiousity, why change the backend?  With a VB interface, Access
is no longer required at all, and you can you any version you want.

Drew

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Griffiths,
Richard
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 4:20 AM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net


Hi Group

After advice and thoughts.  I have a piece of commercial software (library
s/ware for schools) written with A97 FE and BE.  I am about to rewrite and
can't decide over VB6 FE/A2K(DAO) BE or VB.net FE / A2K BE.(reason for
change to VB as opposed to MS Access is that the VB footprint will be
smaller 1-2mb [easier to email/download and manage than my 12-13 mb Access
FE]).

On one hand the VB6 route will be quicker to develop (no learning curve) and
I think to deploy. On the other hand VB.Net is the future (most
likely!!)(and learning and developing in this will be more interesting and
will spur me on) but I am concerned (mainly) about deployment as my users
are not very IT literate and their pc's (at this time) are not up-to-date
(some W95 many W98 32-64mb ram - I know .net is no go on W95).  So
deployment of .net requires not only the framework but they need minimal
Data Access 2.7, IE 5.01, Windows installer etc also installed.  But 6-12
months down the line I don't want to be in the posistion that having used
VB6 to then consider rewriting in Vb.net.

What I can't gauge here is how significant these issues are (and any other
issues).  So what I am hoping to get here is how you would approach this
conundrum - tried and tested VB6 or new VB.net?

Thanks 

Richard



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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Mon Sep 13 09:53:24 2004
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (DWUTKA at marlow.com)
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 09:53:24 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8031BB36B@main2.marlow.com>

I got the .Net package from watching those movies.  I was pretty much in the
#4. Category.  I think I am still there.  I don't think the learning curve
is all that big.  I didn't have a problem with it.  I've played around with
Visual C++ before, though, so I was sort of used to some of the quirks a raw
VB programmer wouldn't normally experience.

Quite frankly, if they would have come out with a VB 7.0, which stuck to VB
6.0, and just added inheritance, I would be as happy as a pig in mud.  That
is the only saving grace of .Net, in my opinion.  Implements is nice, but is
a far cry from inheritance, and it requires a lot more work to even use.

.Net has a lot of drawbacks too, which makes the transition that much more
difficult to swallow.  For one, the .Net Framework is not a small 1.4 meg
installation.  I have heard of many 'versioning' issues too, though I
couldn't personally verify any.  Then in the development environment, you
have things like the forced tabbed text structure.  It doesn't tab
incorrectly (or at least I haven't seen an example yet), but it is just
plain annoying when you are used to tabbing your own code, the way you like
it.  It tabs more frequently then I normally would.  (Not sure if there is a
setting to turn that off, I think I looked but didn't find anything).

There is a nifty 'code help' feature, that will underscore code that won't
work, and give advice as to fix, but I think they did a half baked job on
that.  One of the first things I got into, in .NET, was to create a class
object.  In VB 6, you can use Property Get, Let, and Set statements.  In
.NET, you actually use Get and Set, but not declared the same way.  On top
of that, it barks if you use a Property statement, with a Get, but no Set.
If you don't use Set, you are supposed to declare the property to be read
only.  Thought that was kind of stupid, because the compiler should be able
to determine that on it's own, based on whether or not there is a Set
statement.

Like I said, if they had just added inheritance to VB 6.0, they would have
done a lot better in getting developers to move to a new platform.  That's
just my opinion though.

Drew

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 7:45 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net


Richard,

  I think rather then the worrying about the front end, you should be
considering the BE and the technology behind it.  However without knowing a
lot more about your app, it's hard to say if that's critical or not.  Also,
you didn't mention why you were considering moving from developing the FE in
Access itself.

  As for VB.Net, I've been ignoring it for the most part for some of the
same reasons you outline (distribution) plus the fact that it has a large
learning curve.  I can't see spending the time on that when I already have
tools at my disposal that do the job fine. And I'm not the only one.
Overall it seems that .Net has been poorly received by the development
community.  Most developers I know are happy (for the most part) with what
they already have/know.  Of course a lot depends on the types of apps you
develop and the end users you target.  I think most of us on this list are
on the smaller end of the scale developing typical business type apps for 50
concurrent users or less.

  How about a quick un-scientific poll?

1. Do you currently develop in .Net (you know it and use it on a regular
basis)
2. Are you learning .Net for a project (your just starting out with it and
have done a small project or two).
3. Don't know anything about it, but are interested in it.
4. Could care less.

  I'm firmly at #4 for the moment.

Jim Dettman
(315) 699-3443
jimdettman at earthlink.net

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Griffiths,
Richard
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 5:20 AM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net


Hi Group

After advice and thoughts.  I have a piece of commercial software (library
s/ware for schools) written with A97 FE and BE.  I am about to rewrite and
can't decide over VB6 FE/A2K(DAO) BE or VB.net FE / A2K BE.(reason for
change to VB as opposed to MS Access is that the VB footprint will be
smaller 1-2mb [easier to email/download and manage than my 12-13 mb Access
FE]).

On one hand the VB6 route will be quicker to develop (no learning curve) and
I think to deploy. On the other hand VB.Net is the future (most
likely!!)(and learning and developing in this will be more interesting and
will spur me on) but I am concerned (mainly) about deployment as my users
are not very IT literate and their pc's (at this time) are not up-to-date
(some W95 many W98 32-64mb ram - I know .net is no go on W95).  So
deployment of .net requires not only the framework but they need minimal
Data Access 2.7, IE 5.01, Windows installer etc also installed.  But 6-12
months down the line I don't want to be in the posistion that having used
VB6 to then consider rewriting in Vb.net.

What I can't gauge here is how significant these issues are (and any other
issues).  So what I am hoping to get here is how you would approach this
conundrum - tried and tested VB6 or new VB.net?

Thanks

Richard



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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Mon Sep 13 09:58:57 2004
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (DWUTKA at marlow.com)
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 09:58:57 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8031BB36C@main2.marlow.com>

Just curious JC, other then inheritance, what else have you found that make
.NET that much more powerful then VB?  I honestly didn't see anything.  I
want to know if I'm completely ignoring other capabilities.  (I know about
.Net's ability to create an NT Service and Command Line utility, but I write
VB 6.0 NT Services blind folded now, and they run just fine.  Never really
had much use for a Command Line utility, either.....)

Drew

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 9:04 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net


>after a week long boot camp course, I firmly believe that it's the best
tool for the job

The primary function of boot camp is brainwashing.

;-)

I went to boot camp, I know!

However I agree with you, .net is a VERY powerful tool.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brett Barabash
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 9:41 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net


#2.
When evaluating dev tools for an upcoming project, it became apparent to me
that the new OO capabilities of .NET would be worth the learning curve.

Judging by the developer journals and 3rd party tool developers, I wouldn't
say that it has been "poorly received".  It's getting tough to find VB6
articles in print or online.

I've already gotten into the "which is better" war on this list, so I'll
save it this time.  However, after a week long boot camp course, I firmly
believe that it's the best tool for the job, regardless of how many other
developers agree.


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 7:45 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net


Richard,

  I think rather then the worrying about the front end, you should be
considering the BE and the technology behind it.  However without knowing a
lot more about your app, it's hard to say if that's critical or not.  Also,
you didn't mention why you were considering moving from developing the FE in
Access itself.

  As for VB.Net, I've been ignoring it for the most part for some of the
same reasons you outline (distribution) plus the fact that it has a large
learning curve.  I can't see spending the time on that when I already have
tools at my disposal that do the job fine. And I'm not the only one. Overall
it seems that .Net has been poorly received by the development community.
Most developers I know are happy (for the most part) with what they already
have/know.  Of course a lot depends on the types of apps you develop and the
end users you target.  I think most of us on this list are on the smaller
end of the scale developing typical business type apps for 50 concurrent
users or less.

  How about a quick un-scientific poll?

1. Do you currently develop in .Net (you know it and use it on a regular
basis)
2. Are you learning .Net for a project (your just starting out with it and
have done a small project or two). 3. Don't know anything about it, but are
interested in it. 4. Could care less.

  I'm firmly at #4 for the moment.

Jim Dettman
(315) 699-3443
jimdettman at earthlink.net

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Griffiths, Richard
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 5:20 AM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net


Hi Group

After advice and thoughts.  I have a piece of commercial software (library
s/ware for schools) written with A97 FE and BE.  I am about to rewrite and
can't decide over VB6 FE/A2K(DAO) BE or VB.net FE / A2K BE.(reason for
change to VB as opposed to MS Access is that the VB footprint will be
smaller 1-2mb [easier to email/download and manage than my 12-13 mb Access
FE]).

On one hand the VB6 route will be quicker to develop (no learning curve) and
I think to deploy. On the other hand VB.Net is the future (most
likely!!)(and learning and developing in this will be more interesting and
will spur me on) but I am concerned (mainly) about deployment as my users
are not very IT literate and their pc's (at this time) are not up-to-date
(some W95 many W98 32-64mb ram - I know .net is no go on W95).  So
deployment of .net requires not only the framework but they need minimal
Data Access 2.7, IE 5.01, Windows installer etc also installed.  But 6-12
months down the line I don't want to be in the posistion that having used
VB6 to then consider rewriting in Vb.net.

What I can't gauge here is how significant these issues are (and any other
issues).  So what I am hoping to get here is how you would approach this
conundrum - tried and tested VB6 or new VB.net?

Thanks

Richard


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From ebarro at afsweb.com  Mon Sep 13 10:22:07 2004
From: ebarro at afsweb.com (Eric Barro)
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 08:22:07 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net
In-Reply-To: <NEBBKADGELICHEJJCKGKGEEOKDAA.jimdettman@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <DPEGIFJOAFKLEDNNDGHCEEEFHCAA.ebarro@afsweb.com>

I'm at #1. Most of what I develop is web-based utilizing ASP.NET and SQL server. I also develop applications in VB6 and MS Access 97 and MS Access 2000 but the majority is .NET.

There is a learning curve and this applies to any programming language. The only way to get really good at it is to learn it inside and out. So the learning curve is a given.

For those contemplating .NET here are some of my personal observations...

1. You can take your VB6 code straight into VB.NET and use the code base by referencing the Microsoft.VisualBasic libraries. That will get you started until you get comfortable rewriting the code to take advantage of .NET's strengths which are outlined in the following points.

2. ADO.NET is way much faster than ADO because of the way the connections are handled.

3. The StringBuilder class addresses one of the weak spots of VB -- string handling. It is faster and more efficient.

4. Has anyone ever used the built-in datagrid control in VB6? Compare that with the datagrid control in .NET and you will realize that the datagrid control in VB6 was a mere prototype. No wonder most VB6 developers avoided it and replaced it with 3rd party controls.

5. You can take the same code and easily transform it into a web-based app as opposed to a windows app.

6. VB.NET and C# (syntax-wise) now look so much more like siblings than they ever did. So you can leverage your VB.NET knowledge and be "conversant" in C#. Performance wise they are now the same since both, when compiled, make use of the Common Language Runtime which is the execution engine for the .NET framework.

7. VB.NET is object oriented programming.

8. As far as application deployment is concerned what can be simpler than having your end-users download and install the .NET framework on their machines? Contrast this with what you currently have with VB6 and the ActiveX/COM interface where you need to ensure that your app, which might be dependent on DLLs and OCXs and OLBs and TLBs, will find those (and mind you...the correct versions too as the ones you used on your development machine) on the users machine?

Those are just some of what I've discovered while developing in .NET.

.NET examples and articles are the majority of what show up when you Google for VB code samples. There are so many examples out on the web that will help you learn the basics and get your feet wet.


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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 5:45 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net


Richard,

  I think rather then the worrying about the front end, you should be
considering the BE and the technology behind it.  However without knowing a
lot more about your app, it's hard to say if that's critical or not.  Also,
you didn't mention why you were considering moving from developing the FE in
Access itself.

  As for VB.Net, I've been ignoring it for the most part for some of the
same reasons you outline (distribution) plus the fact that it has a large
learning curve.  I can't see spending the time on that when I already have
tools at my disposal that do the job fine. And I'm not the only one.
Overall it seems that .Net has been poorly received by the development
community.  Most developers I know are happy (for the most part) with what
they already have/know.  Of course a lot depends on the types of apps you
develop and the end users you target.  I think most of us on this list are
on the smaller end of the scale developing typical business type apps for 50
concurrent users or less.

  How about a quick un-scientific poll?

1. Do you currently develop in .Net (you know it and use it on a regular
basis)
2. Are you learning .Net for a project (your just starting out with it and
have done a small project or two).
3. Don't know anything about it, but are interested in it.
4. Could care less.

  I'm firmly at #4 for the moment.

Jim Dettman
(315) 699-3443
jimdettman at earthlink.net

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Griffiths,
Richard
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 5:20 AM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net


Hi Group

After advice and thoughts.  I have a piece of commercial software (library
s/ware for schools) written with A97 FE and BE.  I am about to rewrite and
can't decide over VB6 FE/A2K(DAO) BE or VB.net FE / A2K BE.(reason for
change to VB as opposed to MS Access is that the VB footprint will be
smaller 1-2mb [easier to email/download and manage than my 12-13 mb Access
FE]).

On one hand the VB6 route will be quicker to develop (no learning curve) and
I think to deploy. On the other hand VB.Net is the future (most
likely!!)(and learning and developing in this will be more interesting and
will spur me on) but I am concerned (mainly) about deployment as my users
are not very IT literate and their pc's (at this time) are not up-to-date
(some W95 many W98 32-64mb ram - I know .net is no go on W95).  So
deployment of .net requires not only the framework but they need minimal
Data Access 2.7, IE 5.01, Windows installer etc also installed.  But 6-12
months down the line I don't want to be in the posistion that having used
VB6 to then consider rewriting in Vb.net.

What I can't gauge here is how significant these issues are (and any other
issues).  So what I am hoping to get here is how you would approach this
conundrum - tried and tested VB6 or new VB.net?

Thanks

Richard



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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Sep 13 10:24:14 2004
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 11:24:14 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net
In-Reply-To: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8031BB36C@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <002601c499a5$bdb11850$e8dafea9@ColbyM6805>

I'm not a vb6 programmer so I can't comment on that.  However I am talking
about prebuilt classes to do things.  Look at the collection classes as an
example.  The class can be subclassed, but already has a ton of stuff
already there.  Also wrappers to windows API stuff.  Things like encryption,
and the like.  I know it's a huge thing to learn but there are TONS of
classes (end user classes) that allow you to do things natively that you'd
be out searching the web for code to do in VB or Access.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of DWUTKA at marlow.com
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 10:59 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net


Just curious JC, other then inheritance, what else have you found that make
.NET that much more powerful then VB?  I honestly didn't see anything.  I
want to know if I'm completely ignoring other capabilities.  (I know about
.Net's ability to create an NT Service and Command Line utility, but I write
VB 6.0 NT Services blind folded now, and they run just fine.  Never really
had much use for a Command Line utility, either.....)

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 9:04 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net


>after a week long boot camp course, I firmly believe that it's the best
tool for the job

The primary function of boot camp is brainwashing.

;-)

I went to boot camp, I know!

However I agree with you, .net is a VERY powerful tool.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brett Barabash
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 9:41 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net


#2.
When evaluating dev tools for an upcoming project, it became apparent to me
that the new OO capabilities of .NET would be worth the learning curve.

Judging by the developer journals and 3rd party tool developers, I wouldn't
say that it has been "poorly received".  It's getting tough to find VB6
articles in print or online.

I've already gotten into the "which is better" war on this list, so I'll
save it this time.  However, after a week long boot camp course, I firmly
believe that it's the best tool for the job, regardless of how many other
developers agree.


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 7:45 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net


Richard,

  I think rather then the worrying about the front end, you should be
considering the BE and the technology behind it.  However without knowing a
lot more about your app, it's hard to say if that's critical or not.  Also,
you didn't mention why you were considering moving from developing the FE in
Access itself.

  As for VB.Net, I've been ignoring it for the most part for some of the
same reasons you outline (distribution) plus the fact that it has a large
learning curve.  I can't see spending the time on that when I already have
tools at my disposal that do the job fine. And I'm not the only one. Overall
it seems that .Net has been poorly received by the development community.
Most developers I know are happy (for the most part) with what they already
have/know.  Of course a lot depends on the types of apps you develop and the
end users you target.  I think most of us on this list are on the smaller
end of the scale developing typical business type apps for 50 concurrent
users or less.

  How about a quick un-scientific poll?

1. Do you currently develop in .Net (you know it and use it on a regular
basis)
2. Are you learning .Net for a project (your just starting out with it and
have done a small project or two). 3. Don't know anything about it, but are
interested in it. 4. Could care less.

  I'm firmly at #4 for the moment.

Jim Dettman
(315) 699-3443
jimdettman at earthlink.net

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Griffiths, Richard
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 5:20 AM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net


Hi Group

After advice and thoughts.  I have a piece of commercial software (library
s/ware for schools) written with A97 FE and BE.  I am about to rewrite and
can't decide over VB6 FE/A2K(DAO) BE or VB.net FE / A2K BE.(reason for
change to VB as opposed to MS Access is that the VB footprint will be
smaller 1-2mb [easier to email/download and manage than my 12-13 mb Access
FE]).

On one hand the VB6 route will be quicker to develop (no learning curve) and
I think to deploy. On the other hand VB.Net is the future (most
likely!!)(and learning and developing in this will be more interesting and
will spur me on) but I am concerned (mainly) about deployment as my users
are not very IT literate and their pc's (at this time) are not up-to-date
(some W95 many W98 32-64mb ram - I know .net is no go on W95).  So
deployment of .net requires not only the framework but they need minimal
Data Access 2.7, IE 5.01, Windows installer etc also installed.  But 6-12
months down the line I don't want to be in the posistion that having used
VB6 to then consider rewriting in Vb.net.

What I can't gauge here is how significant these issues are (and any other
issues).  So what I am hoping to get here is how you would approach this
conundrum - tried and tested VB6 or new VB.net?

Thanks

Richard


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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Mon Sep 13 10:40:52 2004
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 10:40:52 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net
In-Reply-To: <25635600.1095083235247.JavaMail.root@sniper7.usinternet.com>
Message-ID: <001001c499a8$0d773c50$de1811d8@danwaters>

Richard - I assumed that you had compacted, and hadn't thought of making
this an MDE.  

Now that you've done that, try compressing with WinZip or something similar.
Or, you can right-click the file, select Send To, then select Compressed
(zipped) Folder.  Might help!

Dan

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Griffiths,
Richard
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 8:37 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net

Dan
Its been compacted and mde'd - reports etc take up space (I know I could
write a separate FE for reports but this is what I am trying to avoid -
using VB and crystal allows new reports to be send quickly and easily for
example)
thanks
Richard


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From:	Dan Waters [mailto:dwaters at usinternet.com]
Sent:	Mon 13/09/2004 12:46
To:	'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Cc:	
Subject:	RE: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net

Richard,

I've recently seen that whenever I compress a database FE, the compressed
size is 20% - 25% of its original size.  This would make emailing a FE a bit
easier.

Dan Waters

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Richard
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 4:20 AM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net

Hi Group

After advice and thoughts.  I have a piece of commercial software (library
s/ware for schools) written with A97 FE and BE.  I am about to rewrite and
can't decide over VB6 FE/A2K(DAO) BE or VB.net FE / A2K BE.(reason for
change to VB as opposed to MS Access is that the VB footprint will be
smaller 1-2mb [easier to email/download and manage than my 12-13 mb Access
FE]).

On one hand the VB6 route will be quicker to develop (no learning curve) and
I think to deploy. On the other hand VB.Net is the future (most
likely!!)(and learning and developing in this will be more interesting and
will spur me on) but I am concerned (mainly) about deployment as my users
are not very IT literate and their pc's (at this time) are not up-to-date
(some W95 many W98 32-64mb ram - I know .net is no go on W95).  So
deployment of .net requires not only the framework but they need minimal
Data Access 2.7, IE 5.01, Windows installer etc also installed.  But 6-12
months down the line I don't want to be in the posistion that having used
VB6 to then consider rewriting in Vb.net.

What I can't gauge here is how significant these issues are (and any other
issues).  So what I am hoping to get here is how you would approach this
conundrum - tried and tested VB6 or new VB.net?

Thanks 

Richard



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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Sep 13 10:58:17 2004
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 08:58:17 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Section is a Reserved Word? How to refer to a Field
	ofThat Name
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8665184C@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Forms have a section property, so you are probably colliding with that
when you try to set a value, especially with the syntax shown in your
example.  You're referring to the controls as members of an unspecified
collection rather than using the bang (!) to specify the controls.  If
you do that with Section, the jet engine is going to assume you're
trying to set a section property and object to the fact that you haven't
specified WHICH section (i.e., the missing argument).

Access 2000 and up really don't appreciate a field called Section.  We
had to change fields with that name in all our apps when we migrated.
The only way to get around the problem that I know of in code is to use
something like [Forms]![MyForm]![Section] for the form, and
rst.Fields("Section") for a recordset.  You should talk to your DBA
about changing that field name before it gives you more headaches.

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 12:19 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Section is a Reserved Word? How to refer to a Field
ofThat Name


This code works and compiles just fine:

        If ([Forms]![frmASRSSectInit].[RequestType] <> "site audit" _
        And [Forms]![frmASRSSectInit].[Status] = "Open" _
        And [Forms]![frmASRSSectInit].[ysnCBRNTest] = 0 _
        And Not IsNull([Forms]![frmASRSSectInit].[ASSectCompletedDate]))
_
        And IsNull([Forms]![frmASRSSectInit].[CBRN_FinalTestReport]) _
        Then
        [Forms]![frmASRSSectInit].[ysnCBRNTest] = -1
        End If

However, there is a numeric field in my table and on my form named:
Section.  It must be a reserved word, because when I change the code to
specify that the section should equal 2, I get a compile error, argument
not optional.  Yikes!  A Friday headache is upon me.  What ever can I do
to get around this?  I can't change the field name as it is an SQL
backend and the damn would break.

        If ([Forms]![frmASRSSectInit].[RequestType] <> "site audit" _
        And [Forms]![frmASRSSectInit].[Status] = "Open" _
        And [Forms]![frmASRSSectInit].[ysnCBRNTest] = 0 _
        And [Forms]![frmASRSSectInit].[Section] = 1 _
        And Not IsNull([Forms]![frmASRSSectInit].[ASSectCompletedDate]))
_
        And IsNull([Forms]![frmASRSSectInit].[CBRN_FinalTestReport]) _
        Then
        [Forms]![frmASRSSectInit].[ysnCBRNTest] = -1
        End If

Karen Nicholson
National Laboratory
Xerox Global Services


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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Sep 13 11:05:37 2004
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 09:05:37 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312A53@infoserver01.infostat.local>

<snip>

>>  How about a quick un-scientific poll?

I'm somewhere between #1 and #2.  I'm modifying a web-based app another
developer started in order to get my feet wet and get my brain more
firmly wrapped around VB.Net.  I won't say I know it, but I'm learning
as I go.  Our company has made the decision to move to .Net as Access
becomes more firmly positioned as an end-user tool rather than a
development platform.  I disagree with Microsoft in that respect, and
I'll keep working with Access as well, but I also see the handwriting on
the wall.

Charlotte Foust



From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Sep 13 11:25:32 2004
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence (AccessD))
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 09:25:32 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net
In-Reply-To: <F37DAC9A2964B144A2973EBCA8C54DBDABD3D0@BURY2K23.bury.gov.uk>
Message-ID: <FJEJLIPOMCGJALMGLLLICEKMCGAA.accessd@shaw.ca>

Hi Richard:

IMHO the best choice would be VB.NET. The main concern I would have was
about the reporting issues and that it will most likely require a
third-party piece of software if the reports are complicated.

HTH
Jim

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Griffiths,
Richard
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 2:20 AM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net


Hi Group

After advice and thoughts.  I have a piece of commercial software (library
s/ware for schools) written with A97 FE and BE.  I am about to rewrite and
can't decide over VB6 FE/A2K(DAO) BE or VB.net FE / A2K BE.(reason for
change to VB as opposed to MS Access is that the VB footprint will be
smaller 1-2mb [easier to email/download and manage than my 12-13 mb Access
FE]).

On one hand the VB6 route will be quicker to develop (no learning curve) and
I think to deploy. On the other hand VB.Net is the future (most
likely!!)(and learning and developing in this will be more interesting and
will spur me on) but I am concerned (mainly) about deployment as my users
are not very IT literate and their pc's (at this time) are not up-to-date
(some W95 many W98 32-64mb ram - I know .net is no go on W95).  So
deployment of .net requires not only the framework but they need minimal
Data Access 2.7, IE 5.01, Windows installer etc also installed.  But 6-12
months down the line I don't want to be in the posistion that having used
VB6 to then consider rewriting in Vb.net.

What I can't gauge here is how significant these issues are (and any other
issues).  So what I am hoping to get here is how you would approach this
conundrum - tried and tested VB6 or new VB.net?

Thanks

Richard



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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Sep 13 11:54:19 2004
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 09:54:19 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312A59@infoserver01.infostat.local>

We decided on Active Reports, and we really like them.  A lot of their
functionality,  like the subreports, is very similar to Access reports.

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Lawrence (AccessD) [mailto:accessd at shaw.ca] 
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 9:26 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net


Hi Richard:

IMHO the best choice would be VB.NET. The main concern I would have was
about the reporting issues and that it will most likely require a
third-party piece of software if the reports are complicated.

HTH
Jim

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Griffiths,
Richard
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 2:20 AM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net


Hi Group

After advice and thoughts.  I have a piece of commercial software
(library s/ware for schools) written with A97 FE and BE.  I am about to
rewrite and can't decide over VB6 FE/A2K(DAO) BE or VB.net FE / A2K
BE.(reason for change to VB as opposed to MS Access is that the VB
footprint will be smaller 1-2mb [easier to email/download and manage
than my 12-13 mb Access FE]).

On one hand the VB6 route will be quicker to develop (no learning curve)
and I think to deploy. On the other hand VB.Net is the future (most
likely!!)(and learning and developing in this will be more interesting
and will spur me on) but I am concerned (mainly) about deployment as my
users are not very IT literate and their pc's (at this time) are not
up-to-date (some W95 many W98 32-64mb ram - I know .net is no go on
W95).  So deployment of .net requires not only the framework but they
need minimal Data Access 2.7, IE 5.01, Windows installer etc also
installed.  But 6-12 months down the line I don't want to be in the
posistion that having used VB6 to then consider rewriting in Vb.net.

What I can't gauge here is how significant these issues are (and any
other issues).  So what I am hoping to get here is how you would
approach this conundrum - tried and tested VB6 or new VB.net?

Thanks

Richard



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From ssharkins at bellsouth.net  Mon Sep 13 12:45:40 2004
From: ssharkins at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 13:45:40 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: OE question
Message-ID: <009a01c499b9$995a7be0$9865fea9@BILLONE>

I'm using OE temporarily -- it won't allow attachments. I don't remember having this problem when I used it a few years ago. I've checked Help, the options -- how can I get my attachments? 

Susan H. 

From jimdettman at earthlink.net  Mon Sep 13 12:55:48 2004
From: jimdettman at earthlink.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 13:55:48 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net
In-Reply-To: <100F91B31300334B89EC531C9DCB0865065942@tccexch01.tappeconstruction.net>
Message-ID: <NEBBKADGELICHEJJCKGKKEGBKDAA.jimdettman@earthlink.net>

Brett,

<<When evaluating dev tools for an upcoming project, it became apparent to
me that the new OO capabilities of .NET would be worth the learning
curve.>>

  I was in the same place several years ago.  .Net was brand new and not
much was around. I also wanted to get a standalone .EXE, get away from
reference headaches with Access, etc.  So I picked up VFP (Visual FoxPro).
I must say I was disappointed at first because so many people I spoke with
raved about it.  While it had very strong database and OO capabilities, some
of it was just plain junk.  That's changed quite a bit as Microsoft has
continued to add to the product.  It has released two major versions since
then with a third on the way.  It too had a steep learning curve.

<<Judging by the developer journals and 3rd party tool developers, I
wouldn't say that it has been "poorly received".  It's getting tough to
find VB6 articles in print or online.>>

  I said that in light of the fact that .Net has been around for several
years now and yet very few shops use it or are just getting into using it.
Even Microsoft has said publicly that the response has been poor.  They had
to back off the whole .Net centric campaign and have refocused once again.
And while that may have born some fruit, it seems for the most part that
.Net is still not main stream.

<<I've already gotten into the "which is better" war on this list, so I'll
save it this time.  However, after a week long boot camp course, I
firmly believe that it's the best tool for the job, regardless of how
many other developers agree.>>

  Been there done that<g> and this isn't about that.  I was mainly curious
if .Net was catching on down in the trenches or still ho-hum.

Jim

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Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 9:41 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net


#2.
When evaluating dev tools for an upcoming project, it became apparent to
me that the new OO capabilities of .NET would be worth the learning
curve.

Judging by the developer journals and 3rd party tool developers, I
wouldn't say that it has been "poorly received".  It's getting tough to
find VB6 articles in print or online.

I've already gotten into the "which is better" war on this list, so I'll
save it this time.  However, after a week long boot camp course, I
firmly believe that it's the best tool for the job, regardless of how
many other developers agree.


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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 7:45 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net


Richard,

  I think rather then the worrying about the front end, you should be
considering the BE and the technology behind it.  However without
knowing a lot more about your app, it's hard to say if that's critical
or not.  Also, you didn't mention why you were considering moving from
developing the FE in Access itself.

  As for VB.Net, I've been ignoring it for the most part for some of the
same reasons you outline (distribution) plus the fact that it has a
large learning curve.  I can't see spending the time on that when I
already have tools at my disposal that do the job fine. And I'm not the
only one.
Overall it seems that .Net has been poorly received by the development
community.  Most developers I know are happy (for the most part) with
what they already have/know.  Of course a lot depends on the types of
apps you develop and the end users you target.  I think most of us on
this list are on the smaller end of the scale developing typical
business type apps for 50 concurrent users or less.

  How about a quick un-scientific poll?

1. Do you currently develop in .Net (you know it and use it on a regular
basis)
2. Are you learning .Net for a project (your just starting out with it
and have done a small project or two).
3. Don't know anything about it, but are interested in it.
4. Could care less.

  I'm firmly at #4 for the moment.

Jim Dettman
(315) 699-3443
jimdettman at earthlink.net

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Griffiths,
Richard
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 5:20 AM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net


Hi Group

After advice and thoughts.  I have a piece of commercial software
(library s/ware for schools) written with A97 FE and BE.  I am about to
rewrite and can't decide over VB6 FE/A2K(DAO) BE or VB.net FE / A2K
BE.(reason for change to VB as opposed to MS Access is that the VB
footprint will be smaller 1-2mb [easier to email/download and manage
than my 12-13 mb Access FE]).

On one hand the VB6 route will be quicker to develop (no learning curve)
and I think to deploy. On the other hand VB.Net is the future (most
likely!!)(and learning and developing in this will be more interesting
and will spur me on) but I am concerned (mainly) about deployment as my
users are not very IT literate and their pc's (at this time) are not
up-to-date (some W95 many W98 32-64mb ram - I know .net is no go on
W95).  So deployment of .net requires not only the framework but they
need minimal Data Access 2.7, IE 5.01, Windows installer etc also
installed.  But 6-12 months down the line I don't want to be in the
posistion that having used
VB6 to then consider rewriting in Vb.net.

What I can't gauge here is how significant these issues are (and any
other issues).  So what I am hoping to get here is how you would
approach this conundrum - tried and tested VB6 or new VB.net?

Thanks

Richard


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From Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org  Mon Sep 13 13:01:51 2004
From: Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 14:01:51 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: OE question
Message-ID: <08F823FD83787D4BA0B99CA580AD3C74089B99@TTNEXCHCL2.hshhp.com>

Susan,

I can't recall the command but if you find the Options dialog you can enable allowing attachments from there.  If you can't find it what I did until I found it was forward the message (but don't send) then open the attachnent from your unforwarded forward.

Jim DeMarco

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Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 1:46 PM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] OT: OE question


I'm using OE temporarily -- it won't allow attachments. I don't remember having this problem when I used it a few years ago. I've checked Help, the options -- how can I get my attachments? 

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From cyx5 at cdc.gov  Mon Sep 13 13:08:10 2004
From: cyx5 at cdc.gov (Nicholson, Karen)
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 14:08:10 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Section is a Reserved Word? How to refer to a
	FieldofThat Name
Message-ID: <A5B5AA20555F594BA7B6BD2048E49E4384B419@m-niosh-5.niosh.cdc.gov>

I have spent the last 1.5 years doing nothin' but SQL.  Now I have a new
job and I am taking about ten or eleven bad bad Access 2002 FE's with
SQL 2000 BE's and converting a million macros to code, fixing the flat
as a board data structure, etc.  I guess I have forgotten some things
about Access during my time away from it.  I am getting back on board
and having some fun.

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 11:58 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Section is a Reserved Word? How to refer to a
FieldofThat Name


Forms have a section property, so you are probably colliding with that
when you try to set a value, especially with the syntax shown in your
example.  You're referring to the controls as members of an unspecified
collection rather than using the bang (!) to specify the controls.  If
you do that with Section, the jet engine is going to assume you're
trying to set a section property and object to the fact that you haven't
specified WHICH section (i.e., the missing argument).

Access 2000 and up really don't appreciate a field called Section.  We
had to change fields with that name in all our apps when we migrated.
The only way to get around the problem that I know of in code is to use
something like [Forms]![MyForm]![Section] for the form, and
rst.Fields("Section") for a recordset.  You should talk to your DBA
about changing that field name before it gives you more headaches.

Charlotte Foust


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From: Nicholson, Karen [mailto:cyx5 at cdc.gov] 
Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 12:19 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Section is a Reserved Word? How to refer to a Field
ofThat Name


This code works and compiles just fine:

        If ([Forms]![frmASRSSectInit].[RequestType] <> "site audit" _
        And [Forms]![frmASRSSectInit].[Status] = "Open" _
        And [Forms]![frmASRSSectInit].[ysnCBRNTest] = 0 _
        And Not IsNull([Forms]![frmASRSSectInit].[ASSectCompletedDate]))
_
        And IsNull([Forms]![frmASRSSectInit].[CBRN_FinalTestReport]) _
        Then
        [Forms]![frmASRSSectInit].[ysnCBRNTest] = -1
        End If

However, there is a numeric field in my table and on my form named:
Section.  It must be a reserved word, because when I change the code to
specify that the section should equal 2, I get a compile error, argument
not optional.  Yikes!  A Friday headache is upon me.  What ever can I do
to get around this?  I can't change the field name as it is an SQL
backend and the damn would break.

        If ([Forms]![frmASRSSectInit].[RequestType] <> "site audit" _
        And [Forms]![frmASRSSectInit].[Status] = "Open" _
        And [Forms]![frmASRSSectInit].[ysnCBRNTest] = 0 _
        And [Forms]![frmASRSSectInit].[Section] = 1 _
        And Not IsNull([Forms]![frmASRSSectInit].[ASSectCompletedDate]))
_
        And IsNull([Forms]![frmASRSSectInit].[CBRN_FinalTestReport]) _
        Then
        [Forms]![frmASRSSectInit].[ysnCBRNTest] = -1
        End If

Karen Nicholson
National Laboratory
Xerox Global Services


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From carbonnb at gmail.com  Mon Sep 13 13:11:43 2004
From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 14:11:43 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: OE question
In-Reply-To: <009a01c499b9$995a7be0$9865fea9@BILLONE>
References: <009a01c499b9$995a7be0$9865fea9@BILLONE>
Message-ID: <e04a6c92040913111122646223@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, 13 Sep 2004 13:45:40 -0400, Susan Harkins
<ssharkins at bellsouth.net> wrote:
> I'm using OE temporarily -- it won't allow attachments. I don't remember having this problem when I used it a few years ago. I've checked Help, the options -- how can I get my attachments?

http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=329570 will give you the steps to
get at your attachments.

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Sep 13 13:24:43 2004
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 11:24:43 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312A5B@infoserver01.infostat.local>

It's catching on in *our* trenches!  I like working with it and our next
major versions are going to be all VB.Net in part because it allows us
to do things the clients want but that would have been difficult to
impossible in Access.  And it allows us to build Web-based interfaces
for clients who want them without having to write different code for the
Windows-based and web-based interfaces.  I think that's worth the
learning curve.

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Dettman [mailto:jimdettman at earthlink.net] 
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 10:56 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net


Brett,

<<When evaluating dev tools for an upcoming project, it became apparent
to me that the new OO capabilities of .NET would be worth the learning
curve.>>

  I was in the same place several years ago.  .Net was brand new and not
much was around. I also wanted to get a standalone .EXE, get away from
reference headaches with Access, etc.  So I picked up VFP (Visual
FoxPro). I must say I was disappointed at first because so many people I
spoke with raved about it.  While it had very strong database and OO
capabilities, some of it was just plain junk.  That's changed quite a
bit as Microsoft has continued to add to the product.  It has released
two major versions since then with a third on the way.  It too had a
steep learning curve.

<<Judging by the developer journals and 3rd party tool developers, I
wouldn't say that it has been "poorly received".  It's getting tough to
find VB6 articles in print or online.>>

  I said that in light of the fact that .Net has been around for several
years now and yet very few shops use it or are just getting into using
it. Even Microsoft has said publicly that the response has been poor.
They had to back off the whole .Net centric campaign and have refocused
once again. And while that may have born some fruit, it seems for the
most part that .Net is still not main stream.

<<I've already gotten into the "which is better" war on this list, so
I'll save it this time.  However, after a week long boot camp course, I
firmly believe that it's the best tool for the job, regardless of how
many other developers agree.>>

  Been there done that<g> and this isn't about that.  I was mainly
curious if .Net was catching on down in the trenches or still ho-hum.

Jim

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Brett Barabash
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 9:41 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net


#2.
When evaluating dev tools for an upcoming project, it became apparent to
me that the new OO capabilities of .NET would be worth the learning
curve.

Judging by the developer journals and 3rd party tool developers, I
wouldn't say that it has been "poorly received".  It's getting tough to
find VB6 articles in print or online.

I've already gotten into the "which is better" war on this list, so I'll
save it this time.  However, after a week long boot camp course, I
firmly believe that it's the best tool for the job, regardless of how
many other developers agree.


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 7:45 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net


Richard,

  I think rather then the worrying about the front end, you should be
considering the BE and the technology behind it.  However without
knowing a lot more about your app, it's hard to say if that's critical
or not.  Also, you didn't mention why you were considering moving from
developing the FE in Access itself.

  As for VB.Net, I've been ignoring it for the most part for some of the
same reasons you outline (distribution) plus the fact that it has a
large learning curve.  I can't see spending the time on that when I
already have tools at my disposal that do the job fine. And I'm not the
only one. Overall it seems that .Net has been poorly received by the
development community.  Most developers I know are happy (for the most
part) with what they already have/know.  Of course a lot depends on the
types of apps you develop and the end users you target.  I think most of
us on this list are on the smaller end of the scale developing typical
business type apps for 50 concurrent users or less.

  How about a quick un-scientific poll?

1. Do you currently develop in .Net (you know it and use it on a regular
basis)
2. Are you learning .Net for a project (your just starting out with it
and have done a small project or two). 3. Don't know anything about it,
but are interested in it. 4. Could care less.

  I'm firmly at #4 for the moment.

Jim Dettman
(315) 699-3443
jimdettman at earthlink.net

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Griffiths,
Richard
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 5:20 AM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net


Hi Group

After advice and thoughts.  I have a piece of commercial software
(library s/ware for schools) written with A97 FE and BE.  I am about to
rewrite and can't decide over VB6 FE/A2K(DAO) BE or VB.net FE / A2K
BE.(reason for change to VB as opposed to MS Access is that the VB
footprint will be smaller 1-2mb [easier to email/download and manage
than my 12-13 mb Access FE]).

On one hand the VB6 route will be quicker to develop (no learning curve)
and I think to deploy. On the other hand VB.Net is the future (most
likely!!)(and learning and developing in this will be more interesting
and will spur me on) but I am concerned (mainly) about deployment as my
users are not very IT literate and their pc's (at this time) are not
up-to-date (some W95 many W98 32-64mb ram - I know .net is no go on
W95).  So deployment of .net requires not only the framework but they
need minimal Data Access 2.7, IE 5.01, Windows installer etc also
installed.  But 6-12 months down the line I don't want to be in the
posistion that having used VB6 to then consider rewriting in Vb.net.

What I can't gauge here is how significant these issues are (and any
other issues).  So what I am hoping to get here is how you would
approach this conundrum - tried and tested VB6 or new VB.net?

Thanks

Richard


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From pharold at proftesting.com  Mon Sep 13 13:45:32 2004
From: pharold at proftesting.com (Perry Harold)
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 14:45:32 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: OE question
In-Reply-To: <009a01c499b9$995a7be0$9865fea9@BILLONE>
Message-ID: <000a01c499c1$d96d18c0$082da8c0@D58BT131>

In Options, Security tab is a check box to allow or disallow attachments.

Perry Harold

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 1:46 PM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] OT: OE question


I'm using OE temporarily -- it won't allow attachments. I don't remember
having this problem when I used it a few years ago. I've checked Help, the
options -- how can I get my attachments? 

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From pharold at proftesting.com  Mon Sep 13 13:46:51 2004
From: pharold at proftesting.com (Perry Harold)
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 14:46:51 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: OE question
In-Reply-To: <009a01c499b9$995a7be0$9865fea9@BILLONE>
Message-ID: <000b01c499c2$0885ad20$082da8c0@D58BT131>

Sorry

Tools, Options, Security then check or uncheck box.

Perry Harold

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Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 1:46 PM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] OT: OE question


I'm using OE temporarily -- it won't allow attachments. I don't remember
having this problem when I used it a few years ago. I've checked Help, the
options -- how can I get my attachments? 

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From Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org  Mon Sep 13 14:18:03 2004
From: Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 15:18:03 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net
Message-ID: <08F823FD83787D4BA0B99CA580AD3C74089B9A@TTNEXCHCL2.hshhp.com>

FWIW and not to take anything away from .NET but you *can* use the same data access and biz rules code in VB and ASP apps via compliled code (aka dlls).  One big plus for .NET in this arena is that a lot of the display code is either the same or similar between ASP.NET apps and WinForms apps (just look at the code to bind your data to a web grid or windows data grid. It's virtually the same).

Jim DeMarco

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 2:25 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net


It's catching on in *our* trenches!  I like working with it and our next
major versions are going to be all VB.Net in part because it allows us
to do things the clients want but that would have been difficult to
impossible in Access.  And it allows us to build Web-based interfaces
for clients who want them without having to write different code for the
Windows-based and web-based interfaces.  I think that's worth the
learning curve.

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Dettman [mailto:jimdettman at earthlink.net] 
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 10:56 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net


Brett,

<<When evaluating dev tools for an upcoming project, it became apparent
to me that the new OO capabilities of .NET would be worth the learning
curve.>>

  I was in the same place several years ago.  .Net was brand new and not
much was around. I also wanted to get a standalone .EXE, get away from
reference headaches with Access, etc.  So I picked up VFP (Visual
FoxPro). I must say I was disappointed at first because so many people I
spoke with raved about it.  While it had very strong database and OO
capabilities, some of it was just plain junk.  That's changed quite a
bit as Microsoft has continued to add to the product.  It has released
two major versions since then with a third on the way.  It too had a
steep learning curve.

<<Judging by the developer journals and 3rd party tool developers, I
wouldn't say that it has been "poorly received".  It's getting tough to
find VB6 articles in print or online.>>

  I said that in light of the fact that .Net has been around for several
years now and yet very few shops use it or are just getting into using
it. Even Microsoft has said publicly that the response has been poor.
They had to back off the whole .Net centric campaign and have refocused
once again. And while that may have born some fruit, it seems for the
most part that .Net is still not main stream.

<<I've already gotten into the "which is better" war on this list, so
I'll save it this time.  However, after a week long boot camp course, I
firmly believe that it's the best tool for the job, regardless of how
many other developers agree.>>

  Been there done that<g> and this isn't about that.  I was mainly
curious if .Net was catching on down in the trenches or still ho-hum.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Brett Barabash
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 9:41 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net


#2.
When evaluating dev tools for an upcoming project, it became apparent to
me that the new OO capabilities of .NET would be worth the learning
curve.

Judging by the developer journals and 3rd party tool developers, I
wouldn't say that it has been "poorly received".  It's getting tough to
find VB6 articles in print or online.

I've already gotten into the "which is better" war on this list, so I'll
save it this time.  However, after a week long boot camp course, I
firmly believe that it's the best tool for the job, regardless of how
many other developers agree.


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 7:45 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net


Richard,

  I think rather then the worrying about the front end, you should be
considering the BE and the technology behind it.  However without
knowing a lot more about your app, it's hard to say if that's critical
or not.  Also, you didn't mention why you were considering moving from
developing the FE in Access itself.

  As for VB.Net, I've been ignoring it for the most part for some of the
same reasons you outline (distribution) plus the fact that it has a
large learning curve.  I can't see spending the time on that when I
already have tools at my disposal that do the job fine. And I'm not the
only one. Overall it seems that .Net has been poorly received by the
development community.  Most developers I know are happy (for the most
part) with what they already have/know.  Of course a lot depends on the
types of apps you develop and the end users you target.  I think most of
us on this list are on the smaller end of the scale developing typical
business type apps for 50 concurrent users or less.

  How about a quick un-scientific poll?

1. Do you currently develop in .Net (you know it and use it on a regular
basis)
2. Are you learning .Net for a project (your just starting out with it
and have done a small project or two). 3. Don't know anything about it,
but are interested in it. 4. Could care less.

  I'm firmly at #4 for the moment.

Jim Dettman
(315) 699-3443
jimdettman at earthlink.net

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Griffiths,
Richard
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 5:20 AM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net


Hi Group

After advice and thoughts.  I have a piece of commercial software
(library s/ware for schools) written with A97 FE and BE.  I am about to
rewrite and can't decide over VB6 FE/A2K(DAO) BE or VB.net FE / A2K
BE.(reason for change to VB as opposed to MS Access is that the VB
footprint will be smaller 1-2mb [easier to email/download and manage
than my 12-13 mb Access FE]).

On one hand the VB6 route will be quicker to develop (no learning curve)
and I think to deploy. On the other hand VB.Net is the future (most
likely!!)(and learning and developing in this will be more interesting
and will spur me on) but I am concerned (mainly) about deployment as my
users are not very IT literate and their pc's (at this time) are not
up-to-date (some W95 many W98 32-64mb ram - I know .net is no go on
W95).  So deployment of .net requires not only the framework but they
need minimal Data Access 2.7, IE 5.01, Windows installer etc also
installed.  But 6-12 months down the line I don't want to be in the
posistion that having used VB6 to then consider rewriting in Vb.net.

What I can't gauge here is how significant these issues are (and any
other issues).  So what I am hoping to get here is how you would
approach this conundrum - tried and tested VB6 or new VB.net?

Thanks

Richard


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From ssharkins at bellsouth.net  Mon Sep 13 13:28:17 2004
From: ssharkins at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 14:28:17 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: OE question
References: <08F823FD83787D4BA0B99CA580AD3C74089B99@TTNEXCHCL2.hshhp.com>
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Thanks jim -- I did find it on Options -- Security -- don't know how I
missed it before, but I did. Thanks!

Susan H.


> Susan,
>
> I can't recall the command but if you find the Options dialog you can
enable allowing attachments from there.  If you can't find it what I did
until I found it was forward the message (but don't send) then open the
attachnent from your unforwarded forward.
>
> Jim DeMarco
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Mon Sep 13 15:42:03 2004
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (DWUTKA at marlow.com)
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 15:42:03 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8031BB36D@main2.marlow.com>

I think it's a matter of perception and scope.  API's are second nature to
me, so I don't see 'new' features of .Net, I just see repackaged
capabilities.  If you don't use API's (and know how to find them....(easiest
way is to find one, and go up the tree and save it in Favorites as a
Bookmark)), then you 'see' new features of .Net as new capabilities, instead
of repackaged API's.  Take the FileScriptingObject.  Just a wrapper.  A lot
of what VB has native is faster then FSO, and with the API's, it's even
faster (and more powerful).  Case in point, Mike Mattys and I worked on a
site together, which displays pictures of properties based on the MLS
numbers.  All of the pictures started with their MLS number, but could have
anything after it (1, 4,6,whatever....).  The site had to be in true ASP (no
VB .dll's....though in retrospect, that condition disappeared...grin, cause
I'm hosting the site....).  In ASP, Dir is not an option.  And in FSO, you
can't 'search' for a conditional file.  So if I wanted to find all of the
pics for MLS 12345, with VB, I would use strTemp=Dir("C:\MyPath\12345*.jpg")
and just repeat that until it returned an empty string.  With FSO, I had two
approaches.  I had to try to find every possible 'combination', (12345-1,
12345-2), etc, and that took a while, with all of the files in the same
folder.  (because it went and loaded the files in the Files collection).
Dir didn't have that problem.  What I ended up doing was to just create an
'update' process that sorted everything into it's own subfolders.  A lot
more time on the update process, but it allowed the FSO to open a specific
folder with only the applicable files.

Same with .Net, they may be prepackaging everything, but don't be surprised
if certain functionality isn't actually there....

Drew

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 10:24 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net


I'm not a vb6 programmer so I can't comment on that.  However I am talking
about prebuilt classes to do things.  Look at the collection classes as an
example.  The class can be subclassed, but already has a ton of stuff
already there.  Also wrappers to windows API stuff.  Things like encryption,
and the like.  I know it's a huge thing to learn but there are TONS of
classes (end user classes) that allow you to do things natively that you'd
be out searching the web for code to do in VB or Access.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of DWUTKA at marlow.com
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 10:59 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net


Just curious JC, other then inheritance, what else have you found that make
.NET that much more powerful then VB?  I honestly didn't see anything.  I
want to know if I'm completely ignoring other capabilities.  (I know about
.Net's ability to create an NT Service and Command Line utility, but I write
VB 6.0 NT Services blind folded now, and they run just fine.  Never really
had much use for a Command Line utility, either.....)

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 9:04 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net


>after a week long boot camp course, I firmly believe that it's the best
tool for the job

The primary function of boot camp is brainwashing.

;-)

I went to boot camp, I know!

However I agree with you, .net is a VERY powerful tool.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brett Barabash
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 9:41 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net


#2.
When evaluating dev tools for an upcoming project, it became apparent to me
that the new OO capabilities of .NET would be worth the learning curve.

Judging by the developer journals and 3rd party tool developers, I wouldn't
say that it has been "poorly received".  It's getting tough to find VB6
articles in print or online.

I've already gotten into the "which is better" war on this list, so I'll
save it this time.  However, after a week long boot camp course, I firmly
believe that it's the best tool for the job, regardless of how many other
developers agree.


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 7:45 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net


Richard,

  I think rather then the worrying about the front end, you should be
considering the BE and the technology behind it.  However without knowing a
lot more about your app, it's hard to say if that's critical or not.  Also,
you didn't mention why you were considering moving from developing the FE in
Access itself.

  As for VB.Net, I've been ignoring it for the most part for some of the
same reasons you outline (distribution) plus the fact that it has a large
learning curve.  I can't see spending the time on that when I already have
tools at my disposal that do the job fine. And I'm not the only one. Overall
it seems that .Net has been poorly received by the development community.
Most developers I know are happy (for the most part) with what they already
have/know.  Of course a lot depends on the types of apps you develop and the
end users you target.  I think most of us on this list are on the smaller
end of the scale developing typical business type apps for 50 concurrent
users or less.

  How about a quick un-scientific poll?

1. Do you currently develop in .Net (you know it and use it on a regular
basis)
2. Are you learning .Net for a project (your just starting out with it and
have done a small project or two). 3. Don't know anything about it, but are
interested in it. 4. Could care less.

  I'm firmly at #4 for the moment.

Jim Dettman
(315) 699-3443
jimdettman at earthlink.net

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Griffiths, Richard
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 5:20 AM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net


Hi Group

After advice and thoughts.  I have a piece of commercial software (library
s/ware for schools) written with A97 FE and BE.  I am about to rewrite and
can't decide over VB6 FE/A2K(DAO) BE or VB.net FE / A2K BE.(reason for
change to VB as opposed to MS Access is that the VB footprint will be
smaller 1-2mb [easier to email/download and manage than my 12-13 mb Access
FE]).

On one hand the VB6 route will be quicker to develop (no learning curve) and
I think to deploy. On the other hand VB.Net is the future (most
likely!!)(and learning and developing in this will be more interesting and
will spur me on) but I am concerned (mainly) about deployment as my users
are not very IT literate and their pc's (at this time) are not up-to-date
(some W95 many W98 32-64mb ram - I know .net is no go on W95).  So
deployment of .net requires not only the framework but they need minimal
Data Access 2.7, IE 5.01, Windows installer etc also installed.  But 6-12
months down the line I don't want to be in the posistion that having used
VB6 to then consider rewriting in Vb.net.

What I can't gauge here is how significant these issues are (and any other
issues).  So what I am hoping to get here is how you would approach this
conundrum - tried and tested VB6 or new VB.net?

Thanks

Richard


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From marcus at tsstech.com  Mon Sep 13 16:17:05 2004
From: marcus at tsstech.com (Scott Marcus)
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 17:17:05 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net
Message-ID: <B7B1803D6973C84F97D412AFCDA8EA7D339DF9@2003exchg.TSS.AD>

Drew,

Are you saying that .Net uses wrappers?

The problem with API's is dll hell. My understanding of .Net is that
.Net does not rely on those API's.

What are you trying to say about searching a directory structure in ASP?
Are you talking about ASP or ASP.Net?

I've searched a directory structure using VB.Net and didn't have to try
to find every possible combination of the file.

I'm trying to understand your post. Please clarify.

Scott Marcus

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
DWUTKA at marlow.com
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 4:42 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net

I think it's a matter of perception and scope.  API's are second nature
to me, so I don't see 'new' features of .Net, I just see repackaged
capabilities.  If you don't use API's (and know how to find
them....(easiest way is to find one, and go up the tree and save it in
Favorites as a Bookmark)), then you 'see' new features of .Net as new
capabilities, instead of repackaged API's.  Take the
FileScriptingObject.  Just a wrapper.  A lot of what VB has native is
faster then FSO, and with the API's, it's even faster (and more
powerful).  Case in point, Mike Mattys and I worked on a site together,
which displays pictures of properties based on the MLS numbers.  All of
the pictures started with their MLS number, but could have anything
after it (1, 4,6,whatever....).  The site had to be in true ASP (no VB
.dll's....though in retrospect, that condition disappeared...grin, cause
I'm hosting the site....).  In ASP, Dir is not an option.  And in FSO,
you can't 'search' for a conditional file.  So if I wanted to find all
of the pics for MLS 12345, with VB, I would use
strTemp=Dir("C:\MyPath\12345*.jpg")
and just repeat that until it returned an empty string.  With FSO, I had
two approaches.  I had to try to find every possible 'combination',
(12345-1, 12345-2), etc, and that took a while, with all of the files in
the same folder.  (because it went and loaded the files in the Files
collection).
Dir didn't have that problem.  What I ended up doing was to just create
an 'update' process that sorted everything into it's own subfolders.  A
lot more time on the update process, but it allowed the FSO to open a
specific folder with only the applicable files.

Same with .Net, they may be prepackaging everything, but don't be
surprised if certain functionality isn't actually there....

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 10:24 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net


I'm not a vb6 programmer so I can't comment on that.  However I am
talking about prebuilt classes to do things.  Look at the collection
classes as an example.  The class can be subclassed, but already has a
ton of stuff already there.  Also wrappers to windows API stuff.  Things
like encryption, and the like.  I know it's a huge thing to learn but
there are TONS of classes (end user classes) that allow you to do things
natively that you'd be out searching the web for code to do in VB or
Access.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
DWUTKA at marlow.com
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 10:59 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net


Just curious JC, other then inheritance, what else have you found that
make .NET that much more powerful then VB?  I honestly didn't see
anything.  I want to know if I'm completely ignoring other capabilities.
(I know about .Net's ability to create an NT Service and Command Line
utility, but I write VB 6.0 NT Services blind folded now, and they run
just fine.  Never really had much use for a Command Line utility,
either.....)

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 9:04 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net


>after a week long boot camp course, I firmly believe that it's the best
tool for the job

The primary function of boot camp is brainwashing.

;-)

I went to boot camp, I know!

However I agree with you, .net is a VERY powerful tool.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brett
Barabash
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 9:41 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net


#2.
When evaluating dev tools for an upcoming project, it became apparent to
me that the new OO capabilities of .NET would be worth the learning
curve.

Judging by the developer journals and 3rd party tool developers, I
wouldn't say that it has been "poorly received".  It's getting tough to
find VB6 articles in print or online.

I've already gotten into the "which is better" war on this list, so I'll
save it this time.  However, after a week long boot camp course, I
firmly believe that it's the best tool for the job, regardless of how
many other developers agree.


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 7:45 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net


Richard,

  I think rather then the worrying about the front end, you should be
considering the BE and the technology behind it.  However without
knowing a lot more about your app, it's hard to say if that's critical
or not.  Also, you didn't mention why you were considering moving from
developing the FE in Access itself.

  As for VB.Net, I've been ignoring it for the most part for some of the
same reasons you outline (distribution) plus the fact that it has a
large learning curve.  I can't see spending the time on that when I
already have tools at my disposal that do the job fine. And I'm not the
only one. Overall it seems that .Net has been poorly received by the
development community.
Most developers I know are happy (for the most part) with what they
already have/know.  Of course a lot depends on the types of apps you
develop and the end users you target.  I think most of us on this list
are on the smaller end of the scale developing typical business type
apps for 50 concurrent users or less.

  How about a quick un-scientific poll?

1. Do you currently develop in .Net (you know it and use it on a regular
basis)
2. Are you learning .Net for a project (your just starting out with it
and have done a small project or two). 3. Don't know anything about it,
but are interested in it. 4. Could care less.

  I'm firmly at #4 for the moment.

Jim Dettman
(315) 699-3443
jimdettman at earthlink.net

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Griffiths,
Richard
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 5:20 AM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net


Hi Group

After advice and thoughts.  I have a piece of commercial software
(library s/ware for schools) written with A97 FE and BE.  I am about to
rewrite and can't decide over VB6 FE/A2K(DAO) BE or VB.net FE / A2K
BE.(reason for change to VB as opposed to MS Access is that the VB
footprint will be smaller 1-2mb [easier to email/download and manage
than my 12-13 mb Access FE]).

On one hand the VB6 route will be quicker to develop (no learning curve)
and I think to deploy. On the other hand VB.Net is the future (most
likely!!)(and learning and developing in this will be more interesting
and will spur me on) but I am concerned (mainly) about deployment as my
users are not very IT literate and their pc's (at this time) are not
up-to-date (some W95 many W98 32-64mb ram - I know .net is no go on
W95).  So deployment of .net requires not only the framework but they
need minimal Data Access 2.7, IE 5.01, Windows installer etc also
installed.  But 6-12 months down the line I don't want to be in the
posistion that having used
VB6 to then consider rewriting in Vb.net.

What I can't gauge here is how significant these issues are (and any
other issues).  So what I am hoping to get here is how you would
approach this conundrum - tried and tested VB6 or new VB.net?

Thanks

Richard


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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Sep 13 16:20:58 2004
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 14:20:58 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312A5C@infoserver01.infostat.local>

I think you're just trying to get a "discussion" going, Drew.  Nobody
said you had to agree or switch.

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com] 
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 1:42 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net


I think it's a matter of perception and scope.  API's are second nature
to me, so I don't see 'new' features of .Net, I just see repackaged
capabilities.  If you don't use API's (and know how to find
them....(easiest way is to find one, and go up the tree and save it in
Favorites as a Bookmark)), then you 'see' new features of .Net as new
capabilities, instead of repackaged API's.  Take the
FileScriptingObject.  Just a wrapper.  A lot of what VB has native is
faster then FSO, and with the API's, it's even faster (and more
powerful).  Case in point, Mike Mattys and I worked on a site together,
which displays pictures of properties based on the MLS numbers.  All of
the pictures started with their MLS number, but could have anything
after it (1, 4,6,whatever....).  The site had to be in true ASP (no VB
.dll's....though in retrospect, that condition disappeared...grin, cause
I'm hosting the site....).  In ASP, Dir is not an option.  And in FSO,
you can't 'search' for a conditional file.  So if I wanted to find all
of the pics for MLS 12345, with VB, I would use
strTemp=Dir("C:\MyPath\12345*.jpg")
and just repeat that until it returned an empty string.  With FSO, I had
two approaches.  I had to try to find every possible 'combination',
(12345-1, 12345-2), etc, and that took a while, with all of the files in
the same folder.  (because it went and loaded the files in the Files
collection). Dir didn't have that problem.  What I ended up doing was to
just create an 'update' process that sorted everything into it's own
subfolders.  A lot more time on the update process, but it allowed the
FSO to open a specific folder with only the applicable files.

Same with .Net, they may be prepackaging everything, but don't be
surprised if certain functionality isn't actually there....

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 10:24 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net


I'm not a vb6 programmer so I can't comment on that.  However I am
talking about prebuilt classes to do things.  Look at the collection
classes as an example.  The class can be subclassed, but already has a
ton of stuff already there.  Also wrappers to windows API stuff.  Things
like encryption, and the like.  I know it's a huge thing to learn but
there are TONS of classes (end user classes) that allow you to do things
natively that you'd be out searching the web for code to do in VB or
Access.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
DWUTKA at marlow.com
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 10:59 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net


Just curious JC, other then inheritance, what else have you found that
make .NET that much more powerful then VB?  I honestly didn't see
anything.  I want to know if I'm completely ignoring other capabilities.
(I know about .Net's ability to create an NT Service and Command Line
utility, but I write VB 6.0 NT Services blind folded now, and they run
just fine.  Never really had much use for a Command Line utility,
either.....)

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 9:04 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net


>after a week long boot camp course, I firmly believe that it's the best
tool for the job

The primary function of boot camp is brainwashing.

;-)

I went to boot camp, I know!

However I agree with you, .net is a VERY powerful tool.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brett
Barabash
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 9:41 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net


#2.
When evaluating dev tools for an upcoming project, it became apparent to
me that the new OO capabilities of .NET would be worth the learning
curve.

Judging by the developer journals and 3rd party tool developers, I
wouldn't say that it has been "poorly received".  It's getting tough to
find VB6 articles in print or online.

I've already gotten into the "which is better" war on this list, so I'll
save it this time.  However, after a week long boot camp course, I
firmly believe that it's the best tool for the job, regardless of how
many other developers agree.


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 7:45 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net


Richard,

  I think rather then the worrying about the front end, you should be
considering the BE and the technology behind it.  However without
knowing a lot more about your app, it's hard to say if that's critical
or not.  Also, you didn't mention why you were considering moving from
developing the FE in Access itself.

  As for VB.Net, I've been ignoring it for the most part for some of the
same reasons you outline (distribution) plus the fact that it has a
large learning curve.  I can't see spending the time on that when I
already have tools at my disposal that do the job fine. And I'm not the
only one. Overall it seems that .Net has been poorly received by the
development community. Most developers I know are happy (for the most
part) with what they already have/know.  Of course a lot depends on the
types of apps you develop and the end users you target.  I think most of
us on this list are on the smaller end of the scale developing typical
business type apps for 50 concurrent users or less.

  How about a quick un-scientific poll?

1. Do you currently develop in .Net (you know it and use it on a regular
basis)
2. Are you learning .Net for a project (your just starting out with it
and have done a small project or two). 3. Don't know anything about it,
but are interested in it. 4. Could care less.

  I'm firmly at #4 for the moment.

Jim Dettman
(315) 699-3443
jimdettman at earthlink.net

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Griffiths,
Richard
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 5:20 AM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net


Hi Group

After advice and thoughts.  I have a piece of commercial software
(library s/ware for schools) written with A97 FE and BE.  I am about to
rewrite and can't decide over VB6 FE/A2K(DAO) BE or VB.net FE / A2K
BE.(reason for change to VB as opposed to MS Access is that the VB
footprint will be smaller 1-2mb [easier to email/download and manage
than my 12-13 mb Access FE]).

On one hand the VB6 route will be quicker to develop (no learning curve)
and I think to deploy. On the other hand VB.Net is the future (most
likely!!)(and learning and developing in this will be more interesting
and will spur me on) but I am concerned (mainly) about deployment as my
users are not very IT literate and their pc's (at this time) are not
up-to-date (some W95 many W98 32-64mb ram - I know .net is no go on
W95).  So deployment of .net requires not only the framework but they
need minimal Data Access 2.7, IE 5.01, Windows installer etc also
installed.  But 6-12 months down the line I don't want to be in the
posistion that having used VB6 to then consider rewriting in Vb.net.

What I can't gauge here is how significant these issues are (and any
other issues).  So what I am hoping to get here is how you would
approach this conundrum - tried and tested VB6 or new VB.net?

Thanks

Richard


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From marcus at tsstech.com  Mon Sep 13 16:27:33 2004
From: marcus at tsstech.com (Scott Marcus)
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 17:27:33 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net
Message-ID: <B7B1803D6973C84F97D412AFCDA8EA7D339DFA@2003exchg.TSS.AD>

Drew,

Because I'm leaving for the day, here is code that easily finds all
files in the root directory matching a pattern using .Net. In this case
I'm looking for pdf files to process...

' Get list of pdf files to process from the input path
Dim pdfDirectory As String() = Directory.GetFiles("C:\", "*.pdf")
Dim pdfFile As String

For Each pdfFile In pdfDirectory
    ProcessPDF(pdfFile)
Next pdfFile 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Scott Marcus
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 5:17 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net

Drew,

Are you saying that .Net uses wrappers?

The problem with API's is dll hell. My understanding of .Net is that
.Net does not rely on those API's.

What are you trying to say about searching a directory structure in ASP?
Are you talking about ASP or ASP.Net?

I've searched a directory structure using VB.Net and didn't have to try
to find every possible combination of the file.

I'm trying to understand your post. Please clarify.

Scott Marcus

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
DWUTKA at marlow.com
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 4:42 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net

I think it's a matter of perception and scope.  API's are second nature
to me, so I don't see 'new' features of .Net, I just see repackaged
capabilities.  If you don't use API's (and know how to find
them....(easiest way is to find one, and go up the tree and save it in
Favorites as a Bookmark)), then you 'see' new features of .Net as new
capabilities, instead of repackaged API's.  Take the
FileScriptingObject.  Just a wrapper.  A lot of what VB has native is
faster then FSO, and with the API's, it's even faster (and more
powerful).  Case in point, Mike Mattys and I worked on a site together,
which displays pictures of properties based on the MLS numbers.  All of
the pictures started with their MLS number, but could have anything
after it (1, 4,6,whatever....).  The site had to be in true ASP (no VB
.dll's....though in retrospect, that condition disappeared...grin, cause
I'm hosting the site....).  In ASP, Dir is not an option.  And in FSO,
you can't 'search' for a conditional file.  So if I wanted to find all
of the pics for MLS 12345, with VB, I would use
strTemp=Dir("C:\MyPath\12345*.jpg")
and just repeat that until it returned an empty string.  With FSO, I had
two approaches.  I had to try to find every possible 'combination',
(12345-1, 12345-2), etc, and that took a while, with all of the files in
the same folder.  (because it went and loaded the files in the Files
collection).
Dir didn't have that problem.  What I ended up doing was to just create
an 'update' process that sorted everything into it's own subfolders.  A
lot more time on the update process, but it allowed the FSO to open a
specific folder with only the applicable files.

Same with .Net, they may be prepackaging everything, but don't be
surprised if certain functionality isn't actually there....

Drew

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 10:24 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net


I'm not a vb6 programmer so I can't comment on that.  However I am
talking about prebuilt classes to do things.  Look at the collection
classes as an example.  The class can be subclassed, but already has a
ton of stuff already there.  Also wrappers to windows API stuff.  Things
like encryption, and the like.  I know it's a huge thing to learn but
there are TONS of classes (end user classes) that allow you to do things
natively that you'd be out searching the web for code to do in VB or
Access.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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DWUTKA at marlow.com
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 10:59 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net


Just curious JC, other then inheritance, what else have you found that
make .NET that much more powerful then VB?  I honestly didn't see
anything.  I want to know if I'm completely ignoring other capabilities.
(I know about .Net's ability to create an NT Service and Command Line
utility, but I write VB 6.0 NT Services blind folded now, and they run
just fine.  Never really had much use for a Command Line utility,
either.....)

Drew

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 9:04 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net


>after a week long boot camp course, I firmly believe that it's the best
tool for the job

The primary function of boot camp is brainwashing.

;-)

I went to boot camp, I know!

However I agree with you, .net is a VERY powerful tool.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brett
Barabash
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 9:41 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net


#2.
When evaluating dev tools for an upcoming project, it became apparent to
me that the new OO capabilities of .NET would be worth the learning
curve.

Judging by the developer journals and 3rd party tool developers, I
wouldn't say that it has been "poorly received".  It's getting tough to
find VB6 articles in print or online.

I've already gotten into the "which is better" war on this list, so I'll
save it this time.  However, after a week long boot camp course, I
firmly believe that it's the best tool for the job, regardless of how
many other developers agree.


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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 7:45 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net


Richard,

  I think rather then the worrying about the front end, you should be
considering the BE and the technology behind it.  However without
knowing a lot more about your app, it's hard to say if that's critical
or not.  Also, you didn't mention why you were considering moving from
developing the FE in Access itself.

  As for VB.Net, I've been ignoring it for the most part for some of the
same reasons you outline (distribution) plus the fact that it has a
large learning curve.  I can't see spending the time on that when I
already have tools at my disposal that do the job fine. And I'm not the
only one. Overall it seems that .Net has been poorly received by the
development community.
Most developers I know are happy (for the most part) with what they
already have/know.  Of course a lot depends on the types of apps you
develop and the end users you target.  I think most of us on this list
are on the smaller end of the scale developing typical business type
apps for 50 concurrent users or less.

  How about a quick un-scientific poll?

1. Do you currently develop in .Net (you know it and use it on a regular
basis)
2. Are you learning .Net for a project (your just starting out with it
and have done a small project or two). 3. Don't know anything about it,
but are interested in it. 4. Could care less.

  I'm firmly at #4 for the moment.

Jim Dettman
(315) 699-3443
jimdettman at earthlink.net

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Griffiths,
Richard
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 5:20 AM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net


Hi Group

After advice and thoughts.  I have a piece of commercial software
(library s/ware for schools) written with A97 FE and BE.  I am about to
rewrite and can't decide over VB6 FE/A2K(DAO) BE or VB.net FE / A2K
BE.(reason for change to VB as opposed to MS Access is that the VB
footprint will be smaller 1-2mb [easier to email/download and manage
than my 12-13 mb Access FE]).

On one hand the VB6 route will be quicker to develop (no learning curve)
and I think to deploy. On the other hand VB.Net is the future (most
likely!!)(and learning and developing in this will be more interesting
and will spur me on) but I am concerned (mainly) about deployment as my
users are not very IT literate and their pc's (at this time) are not
up-to-date (some W95 many W98 32-64mb ram - I know .net is no go on
W95).  So deployment of .net requires not only the framework but they
need minimal Data Access 2.7, IE 5.01, Windows installer etc also
installed.  But 6-12 months down the line I don't want to be in the
posistion that having used
VB6 to then consider rewriting in Vb.net.

What I can't gauge here is how significant these issues are (and any
other issues).  So what I am hoping to get here is how you would
approach this conundrum - tried and tested VB6 or new VB.net?

Thanks

Richard


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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Mon Sep 13 17:06:01 2004
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (DWUTKA at marlow.com)
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 17:06:01 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8031BB370@main2.marlow.com>

LOL.  Not really.  Just pointing out that there are differences between NEW
features, and repackaged features.  OOP is definitely a new feature.  The
ability to make an NT Service is not new, just repackaged.

The discussion was already going, about how people felt about .NET.  A lot
of VB 6.0's capabilities are not 'visible' as features.  With API's, you can
do practically anything.....practically.  I saw a post about the new version
of ADO being faster, I am going to have to look into that.....because that
certainly would be an advantage.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 4:21 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net


I think you're just trying to get a "discussion" going, Drew.  Nobody
said you had to agree or switch.

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com] 
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 1:42 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net


I think it's a matter of perception and scope.  API's are second nature
to me, so I don't see 'new' features of .Net, I just see repackaged
capabilities.  If you don't use API's (and know how to find
them....(easiest way is to find one, and go up the tree and save it in
Favorites as a Bookmark)), then you 'see' new features of .Net as new
capabilities, instead of repackaged API's.  Take the
FileScriptingObject.  Just a wrapper.  A lot of what VB has native is
faster then FSO, and with the API's, it's even faster (and more
powerful).  Case in point, Mike Mattys and I worked on a site together,
which displays pictures of properties based on the MLS numbers.  All of
the pictures started with their MLS number, but could have anything
after it (1, 4,6,whatever....).  The site had to be in true ASP (no VB
.dll's....though in retrospect, that condition disappeared...grin, cause
I'm hosting the site....).  In ASP, Dir is not an option.  And in FSO,
you can't 'search' for a conditional file.  So if I wanted to find all
of the pics for MLS 12345, with VB, I would use
strTemp=Dir("C:\MyPath\12345*.jpg")
and just repeat that until it returned an empty string.  With FSO, I had
two approaches.  I had to try to find every possible 'combination',
(12345-1, 12345-2), etc, and that took a while, with all of the files in
the same folder.  (because it went and loaded the files in the Files
collection). Dir didn't have that problem.  What I ended up doing was to
just create an 'update' process that sorted everything into it's own
subfolders.  A lot more time on the update process, but it allowed the
FSO to open a specific folder with only the applicable files.

Same with .Net, they may be prepackaging everything, but don't be
surprised if certain functionality isn't actually there....

Drew

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 10:24 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net


I'm not a vb6 programmer so I can't comment on that.  However I am
talking about prebuilt classes to do things.  Look at the collection
classes as an example.  The class can be subclassed, but already has a
ton of stuff already there.  Also wrappers to windows API stuff.  Things
like encryption, and the like.  I know it's a huge thing to learn but
there are TONS of classes (end user classes) that allow you to do things
natively that you'd be out searching the web for code to do in VB or
Access.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
DWUTKA at marlow.com
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 10:59 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net


Just curious JC, other then inheritance, what else have you found that
make .NET that much more powerful then VB?  I honestly didn't see
anything.  I want to know if I'm completely ignoring other capabilities.
(I know about .Net's ability to create an NT Service and Command Line
utility, but I write VB 6.0 NT Services blind folded now, and they run
just fine.  Never really had much use for a Command Line utility,
either.....)

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 9:04 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net


>after a week long boot camp course, I firmly believe that it's the best
tool for the job

The primary function of boot camp is brainwashing.

;-)

I went to boot camp, I know!

However I agree with you, .net is a VERY powerful tool.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brett
Barabash
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 9:41 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net


#2.
When evaluating dev tools for an upcoming project, it became apparent to
me that the new OO capabilities of .NET would be worth the learning
curve.

Judging by the developer journals and 3rd party tool developers, I
wouldn't say that it has been "poorly received".  It's getting tough to
find VB6 articles in print or online.

I've already gotten into the "which is better" war on this list, so I'll
save it this time.  However, after a week long boot camp course, I
firmly believe that it's the best tool for the job, regardless of how
many other developers agree.


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 7:45 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net


Richard,

  I think rather then the worrying about the front end, you should be
considering the BE and the technology behind it.  However without
knowing a lot more about your app, it's hard to say if that's critical
or not.  Also, you didn't mention why you were considering moving from
developing the FE in Access itself.

  As for VB.Net, I've been ignoring it for the most part for some of the
same reasons you outline (distribution) plus the fact that it has a
large learning curve.  I can't see spending the time on that when I
already have tools at my disposal that do the job fine. And I'm not the
only one. Overall it seems that .Net has been poorly received by the
development community. Most developers I know are happy (for the most
part) with what they already have/know.  Of course a lot depends on the
types of apps you develop and the end users you target.  I think most of
us on this list are on the smaller end of the scale developing typical
business type apps for 50 concurrent users or less.

  How about a quick un-scientific poll?

1. Do you currently develop in .Net (you know it and use it on a regular
basis)
2. Are you learning .Net for a project (your just starting out with it
and have done a small project or two). 3. Don't know anything about it,
but are interested in it. 4. Could care less.

  I'm firmly at #4 for the moment.

Jim Dettman
(315) 699-3443
jimdettman at earthlink.net

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Griffiths,
Richard
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 5:20 AM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net


Hi Group

After advice and thoughts.  I have a piece of commercial software
(library s/ware for schools) written with A97 FE and BE.  I am about to
rewrite and can't decide over VB6 FE/A2K(DAO) BE or VB.net FE / A2K
BE.(reason for change to VB as opposed to MS Access is that the VB
footprint will be smaller 1-2mb [easier to email/download and manage
than my 12-13 mb Access FE]).

On one hand the VB6 route will be quicker to develop (no learning curve)
and I think to deploy. On the other hand VB.Net is the future (most
likely!!)(and learning and developing in this will be more interesting
and will spur me on) but I am concerned (mainly) about deployment as my
users are not very IT literate and their pc's (at this time) are not
up-to-date (some W95 many W98 32-64mb ram - I know .net is no go on
W95).  So deployment of .net requires not only the framework but they
need minimal Data Access 2.7, IE 5.01, Windows installer etc also
installed.  But 6-12 months down the line I don't want to be in the
posistion that having used VB6 to then consider rewriting in Vb.net.

What I can't gauge here is how significant these issues are (and any
other issues).  So what I am hoping to get here is how you would
approach this conundrum - tried and tested VB6 or new VB.net?

Thanks

Richard


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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Mon Sep 13 17:11:35 2004
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (DWUTKA at marlow.com)
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 17:11:35 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8031BB371@main2.marlow.com>

I can't honestly give you an exact answer, because I wasn't involved in the
development of .Net, but it certainly wouldn't make sense for .Net to
include extra code to handle the same things that API's handle.  If it
included all of that code, it would be monstrous!

As for searching a directory, I was talking about FSO, FileScriptingObject,
which you can use in VBScript.  You can't use Dir, in ASP (3.0??).  It's not
allowed.  FSO doesn't have a 'searching' feature, other then running through
a directory.  That can take a LOT of time, if you have tens of thousands of
files on your system.  FSO is just a 'wrapper' over what you can do with Dir
and other direct VB commands, along with API's, but with using the lower
level tools, you have a lot more options at your finger tips.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Scott Marcus
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 4:17 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net


Drew,

Are you saying that .Net uses wrappers?

The problem with API's is dll hell. My understanding of .Net is that
.Net does not rely on those API's.

What are you trying to say about searching a directory structure in ASP?
Are you talking about ASP or ASP.Net?

I've searched a directory structure using VB.Net and didn't have to try
to find every possible combination of the file.

I'm trying to understand your post. Please clarify.

Scott Marcus

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
DWUTKA at marlow.com
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 4:42 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net

I think it's a matter of perception and scope.  API's are second nature
to me, so I don't see 'new' features of .Net, I just see repackaged
capabilities.  If you don't use API's (and know how to find
them....(easiest way is to find one, and go up the tree and save it in
Favorites as a Bookmark)), then you 'see' new features of .Net as new
capabilities, instead of repackaged API's.  Take the
FileScriptingObject.  Just a wrapper.  A lot of what VB has native is
faster then FSO, and with the API's, it's even faster (and more
powerful).  Case in point, Mike Mattys and I worked on a site together,
which displays pictures of properties based on the MLS numbers.  All of
the pictures started with their MLS number, but could have anything
after it (1, 4,6,whatever....).  The site had to be in true ASP (no VB
.dll's....though in retrospect, that condition disappeared...grin, cause
I'm hosting the site....).  In ASP, Dir is not an option.  And in FSO,
you can't 'search' for a conditional file.  So if I wanted to find all
of the pics for MLS 12345, with VB, I would use
strTemp=Dir("C:\MyPath\12345*.jpg")
and just repeat that until it returned an empty string.  With FSO, I had
two approaches.  I had to try to find every possible 'combination',
(12345-1, 12345-2), etc, and that took a while, with all of the files in
the same folder.  (because it went and loaded the files in the Files
collection).
Dir didn't have that problem.  What I ended up doing was to just create
an 'update' process that sorted everything into it's own subfolders.  A
lot more time on the update process, but it allowed the FSO to open a
specific folder with only the applicable files.

Same with .Net, they may be prepackaging everything, but don't be
surprised if certain functionality isn't actually there....

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 10:24 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net


I'm not a vb6 programmer so I can't comment on that.  However I am
talking about prebuilt classes to do things.  Look at the collection
classes as an example.  The class can be subclassed, but already has a
ton of stuff already there.  Also wrappers to windows API stuff.  Things
like encryption, and the like.  I know it's a huge thing to learn but
there are TONS of classes (end user classes) that allow you to do things
natively that you'd be out searching the web for code to do in VB or
Access.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
DWUTKA at marlow.com
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 10:59 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net


Just curious JC, other then inheritance, what else have you found that
make .NET that much more powerful then VB?  I honestly didn't see
anything.  I want to know if I'm completely ignoring other capabilities.
(I know about .Net's ability to create an NT Service and Command Line
utility, but I write VB 6.0 NT Services blind folded now, and they run
just fine.  Never really had much use for a Command Line utility,
either.....)

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 9:04 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net


>after a week long boot camp course, I firmly believe that it's the best
tool for the job

The primary function of boot camp is brainwashing.

;-)

I went to boot camp, I know!

However I agree with you, .net is a VERY powerful tool.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brett
Barabash
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 9:41 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net


#2.
When evaluating dev tools for an upcoming project, it became apparent to
me that the new OO capabilities of .NET would be worth the learning
curve.

Judging by the developer journals and 3rd party tool developers, I
wouldn't say that it has been "poorly received".  It's getting tough to
find VB6 articles in print or online.

I've already gotten into the "which is better" war on this list, so I'll
save it this time.  However, after a week long boot camp course, I
firmly believe that it's the best tool for the job, regardless of how
many other developers agree.


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 7:45 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net


Richard,

  I think rather then the worrying about the front end, you should be
considering the BE and the technology behind it.  However without
knowing a lot more about your app, it's hard to say if that's critical
or not.  Also, you didn't mention why you were considering moving from
developing the FE in Access itself.

  As for VB.Net, I've been ignoring it for the most part for some of the
same reasons you outline (distribution) plus the fact that it has a
large learning curve.  I can't see spending the time on that when I
already have tools at my disposal that do the job fine. And I'm not the
only one. Overall it seems that .Net has been poorly received by the
development community.
Most developers I know are happy (for the most part) with what they
already have/know.  Of course a lot depends on the types of apps you
develop and the end users you target.  I think most of us on this list
are on the smaller end of the scale developing typical business type
apps for 50 concurrent users or less.

  How about a quick un-scientific poll?

1. Do you currently develop in .Net (you know it and use it on a regular
basis)
2. Are you learning .Net for a project (your just starting out with it
and have done a small project or two). 3. Don't know anything about it,
but are interested in it. 4. Could care less.

  I'm firmly at #4 for the moment.

Jim Dettman
(315) 699-3443
jimdettman at earthlink.net

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Griffiths,
Richard
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 5:20 AM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net


Hi Group

After advice and thoughts.  I have a piece of commercial software
(library s/ware for schools) written with A97 FE and BE.  I am about to
rewrite and can't decide over VB6 FE/A2K(DAO) BE or VB.net FE / A2K
BE.(reason for change to VB as opposed to MS Access is that the VB
footprint will be smaller 1-2mb [easier to email/download and manage
than my 12-13 mb Access FE]).

On one hand the VB6 route will be quicker to develop (no learning curve)
and I think to deploy. On the other hand VB.Net is the future (most
likely!!)(and learning and developing in this will be more interesting
and will spur me on) but I am concerned (mainly) about deployment as my
users are not very IT literate and their pc's (at this time) are not
up-to-date (some W95 many W98 32-64mb ram - I know .net is no go on
W95).  So deployment of .net requires not only the framework but they
need minimal Data Access 2.7, IE 5.01, Windows installer etc also
installed.  But 6-12 months down the line I don't want to be in the
posistion that having used
VB6 to then consider rewriting in Vb.net.

What I can't gauge here is how significant these issues are (and any
other issues).  So what I am hoping to get here is how you would
approach this conundrum - tried and tested VB6 or new VB.net?

Thanks

Richard


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From clh at christopherhawkins.com  Mon Sep 13 17:20:32 2004
From: clh at christopherhawkins.com (Christopher Hawkins)
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 16:20:32 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Hack Requested - Increase Combo Box Button Size?
Message-ID: <198030-22004911322203266@christopherhawkins.com>

I suppose the title says it all.  I know there are various hacks for
playing with the window sizes of everything, but I need to be
surgical - I am creating an interface for a touch-screen computer,
and it requires the use of a combo box.  

I need a way to fatten the combo box button and the scroll bar
buttons.  Has anyone done this before?  Either prewritten code or a
link in the right direction would be appreciated.

-Christopher-
Respectfully,

Christopher Hawkins
Software Developer
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Mon Sep 13 17:45:23 2004
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 08:45:23 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net
In-Reply-To: <B7B1803D6973C84F97D412AFCDA8EA7D339DF9@2003exchg.TSS.AD>
Message-ID: <4146AFA3.32317.17976553@lexacorp.com.pg>

On 13 Sep 2004 at 17:17, Scott Marcus wrote:

> Drew,
> 
> Are you saying that .Net uses wrappers?
> 
> The problem with API's is dll hell. 

There's no DLL hell with the API.

The Win32 API uses system DLLS which are backward compatible between 
Windows versions. 

The majority of API calls work for every version of WIndows from W95 on 
including all of the most commonly used APIs.   If you want to use an API 
feature that is limited to certain OS versions, you just need to check the 
OSVersion first.



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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Mon Sep 13 15:39:39 2004
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 13:39:39 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT: OE question
References: <08F823FD83787D4BA0B99CA580AD3C74089B99@TTNEXCHCL2.hshhp.com>
	<002701c499c7$efceb6e0$9865fea9@BILLONE>
Message-ID: <4146058B.1070100@shaw.ca>

Good site for Outlook Express FAQ's
http://insideoe.tomsterdam.com/

Susan Harkins wrote:

>Thanks jim -- I did find it on Options -- Security -- don't know how I
>missed it before, but I did. Thanks!
>
>Susan H.
>
>
>  
>
>>Susan,
>>
>>I can't recall the command but if you find the Options dialog you can
>>    
>>
>enable allowing attachments from there.  If you can't find it what I did
>until I found it was forward the message (but don't send) then open the
>attachnent from your unforwarded forward.
>  
>
>>Jim DeMarco
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
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>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
>>Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 1:46 PM
>>To: AccessD
>>Subject: [AccessD] OT: OE question
>>
>>
>>I'm using OE temporarily -- it won't allow attachments. I don't remember
>>    
>>
>having this problem when I used it a few years ago. I've checked Help, the
>options -- how can I get my attachments?
>  
>
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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Mon Sep 13 15:57:17 2004
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 13:57:17 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net
References: <08F823FD83787D4BA0B99CA580AD3C74089B9A@TTNEXCHCL2.hshhp.com>
Message-ID: <414609AD.8020307@shaw.ca>

One thing that may start to be difficult is linking the Crypto Api for 
WSE 2.0 (new methods for securing WebServices). You just call the 
classes in .Net
but it is a real ouch in VB6 or Access if you have to handle encryption 
of Web Services from scratch.

Jim DeMarco wrote:

>FWIW and not to take anything away from .NET but you *can* use the same data access and biz rules code in VB and ASP apps via compliled code (aka dlls).  One big plus for .NET in this arena is that a lot of the display code is either the same or similar between ASP.NET apps and WinForms apps (just look at the code to bind your data to a web grid or windows data grid. It's virtually the same).
>
>Jim DeMarco
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte
>Foust
>Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 2:25 PM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net
>
>
>It's catching on in *our* trenches!  I like working with it and our next
>major versions are going to be all VB.Net in part because it allows us
>to do things the clients want but that would have been difficult to
>impossible in Access.  And it allows us to build Web-based interfaces
>for clients who want them without having to write different code for the
>Windows-based and web-based interfaces.  I think that's worth the
>learning curve.
>
>Charlotte Foust
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Jim Dettman [mailto:jimdettman at earthlink.net] 
>Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 10:56 AM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net
>
>
>Brett,
>
><<When evaluating dev tools for an upcoming project, it became apparent
>to me that the new OO capabilities of .NET would be worth the learning
>curve.>>
>
>  I was in the same place several years ago.  .Net was brand new and not
>much was around. I also wanted to get a standalone .EXE, get away from
>reference headaches with Access, etc.  So I picked up VFP (Visual
>FoxPro). I must say I was disappointed at first because so many people I
>spoke with raved about it.  While it had very strong database and OO
>capabilities, some of it was just plain junk.  That's changed quite a
>bit as Microsoft has continued to add to the product.  It has released
>two major versions since then with a third on the way.  It too had a
>steep learning curve.
>
><<Judging by the developer journals and 3rd party tool developers, I
>wouldn't say that it has been "poorly received".  It's getting tough to
>find VB6 articles in print or online.>>
>
>  I said that in light of the fact that .Net has been around for several
>years now and yet very few shops use it or are just getting into using
>it. Even Microsoft has said publicly that the response has been poor.
>They had to back off the whole .Net centric campaign and have refocused
>once again. And while that may have born some fruit, it seems for the
>most part that .Net is still not main stream.
>
><<I've already gotten into the "which is better" war on this list, so
>I'll save it this time.  However, after a week long boot camp course, I
>firmly believe that it's the best tool for the job, regardless of how
>many other developers agree.>>
>
>  Been there done that<g> and this isn't about that.  I was mainly
>curious if .Net was catching on down in the trenches or still ho-hum.
>
>Jim
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Brett Barabash
>Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 9:41 AM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net
>
>
>#2.
>When evaluating dev tools for an upcoming project, it became apparent to
>me that the new OO capabilities of .NET would be worth the learning
>curve.
>
>Judging by the developer journals and 3rd party tool developers, I
>wouldn't say that it has been "poorly received".  It's getting tough to
>find VB6 articles in print or online.
>
>I've already gotten into the "which is better" war on this list, so I'll
>save it this time.  However, after a week long boot camp course, I
>firmly believe that it's the best tool for the job, regardless of how
>many other developers agree.
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
>Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 7:45 AM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net
>
>
>Richard,
>
>  I think rather then the worrying about the front end, you should be
>considering the BE and the technology behind it.  However without
>knowing a lot more about your app, it's hard to say if that's critical
>or not.  Also, you didn't mention why you were considering moving from
>developing the FE in Access itself.
>
>  As for VB.Net, I've been ignoring it for the most part for some of the
>same reasons you outline (distribution) plus the fact that it has a
>large learning curve.  I can't see spending the time on that when I
>already have tools at my disposal that do the job fine. And I'm not the
>only one. Overall it seems that .Net has been poorly received by the
>development community.  Most developers I know are happy (for the most
>part) with what they already have/know.  Of course a lot depends on the
>types of apps you develop and the end users you target.  I think most of
>us on this list are on the smaller end of the scale developing typical
>business type apps for 50 concurrent users or less.
>
>  How about a quick un-scientific poll?
>
>1. Do you currently develop in .Net (you know it and use it on a regular
>basis)
>2. Are you learning .Net for a project (your just starting out with it
>and have done a small project or two). 3. Don't know anything about it,
>but are interested in it. 4. Could care less.
>
>  I'm firmly at #4 for the moment.
>
>Jim Dettman
>(315) 699-3443
>jimdettman at earthlink.net
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Griffiths,
>Richard
>Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 5:20 AM
>To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net
>
>
>Hi Group
>
>After advice and thoughts.  I have a piece of commercial software
>(library s/ware for schools) written with A97 FE and BE.  I am about to
>rewrite and can't decide over VB6 FE/A2K(DAO) BE or VB.net FE / A2K
>BE.(reason for change to VB as opposed to MS Access is that the VB
>footprint will be smaller 1-2mb [easier to email/download and manage
>than my 12-13 mb Access FE]).
>
>On one hand the VB6 route will be quicker to develop (no learning curve)
>and I think to deploy. On the other hand VB.Net is the future (most
>likely!!)(and learning and developing in this will be more interesting
>and will spur me on) but I am concerned (mainly) about deployment as my
>users are not very IT literate and their pc's (at this time) are not
>up-to-date (some W95 many W98 32-64mb ram - I know .net is no go on
>W95).  So deployment of .net requires not only the framework but they
>need minimal Data Access 2.7, IE 5.01, Windows installer etc also
>installed.  But 6-12 months down the line I don't want to be in the
>posistion that having used VB6 to then consider rewriting in Vb.net.
>
>What I can't gauge here is how significant these issues are (and any
>other issues).  So what I am hoping to get here is how you would
>approach this conundrum - tried and tested VB6 or new VB.net?
>
>Thanks
>
>Richard
>
>
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Sep 13 16:21:29 2004
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence (AccessD))
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 14:21:29 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net
In-Reply-To: <NEBBKADGELICHEJJCKGKKEGBKDAA.jimdettman@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <FJEJLIPOMCGJALMGLLLIAELBCGAA.accessd@shaw.ca>

Hi Jim:

I have been wandering around the .NET pool for some time. This fall I have
finally made the commitment to take up diving. A full POS and part
accounting package by Christmas. It will be either sink or swim on this one.

I do remember the original Access 1, a good start but a long way from a full
product. I do not think until A97 we had a product to crow about...a good
five years from start to market acceptance. .Net will probably be the same
and I believe M$ is committed... Microsoft never had free leatures, gave
away documentation and copies of standard FP.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 10:56 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net


Brett,

<<When evaluating dev tools for an upcoming project, it became apparent to
me that the new OO capabilities of .NET would be worth the learning
curve.>>

  I was in the same place several years ago.  .Net was brand new and not
much was around. I also wanted to get a standalone .EXE, get away from
reference headaches with Access, etc.  So I picked up VFP (Visual FoxPro).
I must say I was disappointed at first because so many people I spoke with
raved about it.  While it had very strong database and OO capabilities, some
of it was just plain junk.  That's changed quite a bit as Microsoft has
continued to add to the product.  It has released two major versions since
then with a third on the way.  It too had a steep learning curve.

<<Judging by the developer journals and 3rd party tool developers, I
wouldn't say that it has been "poorly received".  It's getting tough to
find VB6 articles in print or online.>>

  I said that in light of the fact that .Net has been around for several
years now and yet very few shops use it or are just getting into using it.
Even Microsoft has said publicly that the response has been poor.  They had
to back off the whole .Net centric campaign and have refocused once again.
And while that may have born some fruit, it seems for the most part that
.Net is still not main stream.

<<I've already gotten into the "which is better" war on this list, so I'll
save it this time.  However, after a week long boot camp course, I
firmly believe that it's the best tool for the job, regardless of how
many other developers agree.>>

  Been there done that<g> and this isn't about that.  I was mainly curious
if .Net was catching on down in the trenches or still ho-hum.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Brett Barabash
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 9:41 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net


#2.
When evaluating dev tools for an upcoming project, it became apparent to
me that the new OO capabilities of .NET would be worth the learning
curve.

Judging by the developer journals and 3rd party tool developers, I
wouldn't say that it has been "poorly received".  It's getting tough to
find VB6 articles in print or online.

I've already gotten into the "which is better" war on this list, so I'll
save it this time.  However, after a week long boot camp course, I
firmly believe that it's the best tool for the job, regardless of how
many other developers agree.


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 7:45 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net


Richard,

  I think rather then the worrying about the front end, you should be
considering the BE and the technology behind it.  However without
knowing a lot more about your app, it's hard to say if that's critical
or not.  Also, you didn't mention why you were considering moving from
developing the FE in Access itself.

  As for VB.Net, I've been ignoring it for the most part for some of the
same reasons you outline (distribution) plus the fact that it has a
large learning curve.  I can't see spending the time on that when I
already have tools at my disposal that do the job fine. And I'm not the
only one.
Overall it seems that .Net has been poorly received by the development
community.  Most developers I know are happy (for the most part) with
what they already have/know.  Of course a lot depends on the types of
apps you develop and the end users you target.  I think most of us on
this list are on the smaller end of the scale developing typical
business type apps for 50 concurrent users or less.

  How about a quick un-scientific poll?

1. Do you currently develop in .Net (you know it and use it on a regular
basis)
2. Are you learning .Net for a project (your just starting out with it
and have done a small project or two).
3. Don't know anything about it, but are interested in it.
4. Could care less.

  I'm firmly at #4 for the moment.

Jim Dettman
(315) 699-3443
jimdettman at earthlink.net

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Griffiths,
Richard
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 5:20 AM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net


Hi Group

After advice and thoughts.  I have a piece of commercial software
(library s/ware for schools) written with A97 FE and BE.  I am about to
rewrite and can't decide over VB6 FE/A2K(DAO) BE or VB.net FE / A2K
BE.(reason for change to VB as opposed to MS Access is that the VB
footprint will be smaller 1-2mb [easier to email/download and manage
than my 12-13 mb Access FE]).

On one hand the VB6 route will be quicker to develop (no learning curve)
and I think to deploy. On the other hand VB.Net is the future (most
likely!!)(and learning and developing in this will be more interesting
and will spur me on) but I am concerned (mainly) about deployment as my
users are not very IT literate and their pc's (at this time) are not
up-to-date (some W95 many W98 32-64mb ram - I know .net is no go on
W95).  So deployment of .net requires not only the framework but they
need minimal Data Access 2.7, IE 5.01, Windows installer etc also
installed.  But 6-12 months down the line I don't want to be in the
posistion that having used
VB6 to then consider rewriting in Vb.net.

What I can't gauge here is how significant these issues are (and any
other issues).  So what I am hoping to get here is how you would
approach this conundrum - tried and tested VB6 or new VB.net?

Thanks

Richard


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From clh at christopherhawkins.com  Mon Sep 13 18:07:05 2004
From: clh at christopherhawkins.com (Christopher Hawkins)
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 17:07:05 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Outlook security and SendObject?
Message-ID: <186970-2200491132375633@christopherhawkins.com>

I've been struggling with an app that uses the SendObject command to
send eMail from within an Access app.  My client is VERY frustrated
with the additional delay that Outlook security builds in, having to
click 'OK' and then wait for the progress bar every time the app
needs to generate an eMail.

I was just reading this article: 
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;262701

That outlines dome of the developer issues regarding Outlook
security.  But it did not offer an concrete workarounds aside form a
mention that an administrator can grant a user sufficient permissions
to ignore the new security.  I guess if you could programatically
defeat it, it wouldn't be security.  ;)

Surely I am not the only one who has to deal with an app that send
eMail?  There must be a way to avoid the additional wait and mouse
clicks that Outlook security requires.  Anyone dealt with this before?

-C-
Respectfully,

Christopher Hawkins
Software Developer
(559) 687-7591
http://www.christopherhawkins.com




From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Sep 13 18:11:12 2004
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 16:11:12 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Outlook security and SendObject?
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312A5E@infoserver01.infostat.local>

We've had numerous discussions on this topic.  Many of us use Redemption
(http://dimastr.com/redemption/home.htm) to handle this, since it uses
extended MAPI calls and bypasses the security holes in Outlook.  Another
option is ClickYes.

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Christopher Hawkins [mailto:clh at christopherhawkins.com] 
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 4:07 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Outlook security and SendObject?


I've been struggling with an app that uses the SendObject command to
send eMail from within an Access app.  My client is VERY frustrated with
the additional delay that Outlook security builds in, having to click
'OK' and then wait for the progress bar every time the app needs to
generate an eMail.

I was just reading this article: 
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;262701

That outlines dome of the developer issues regarding Outlook security.
But it did not offer an concrete workarounds aside form a mention that
an administrator can grant a user sufficient permissions to ignore the
new security.  I guess if you could programatically defeat it, it
wouldn't be security.  ;)

Surely I am not the only one who has to deal with an app that send
eMail?  There must be a way to avoid the additional wait and mouse
clicks that Outlook security requires.  Anyone dealt with this before?

-C-
Respectfully,

Christopher Hawkins
Software Developer
(559) 687-7591
http://www.christopherhawkins.com


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From fhtapia at gmail.com  Mon Sep 13 20:08:30 2004
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 18:08:30 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Outlook security and SendObject?
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312A5E@infoserver01.infostat.local>
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312A5E@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <b874372a0409131808f007b98@mail.gmail.com>

and yet another option is blat... you can configure your application
to use their email settings to auto-send messages, w/ blat you can
even send attachments, you can find an example on how to set it up
here:
http://www.rogersaccesslibrary.com/OtherLibraries.asp#Tapia,Francisco


On Mon, 13 Sep 2004 16:11:12 -0700, Charlotte Foust
<cfoust at infostatsystems.com> wrote:
> We've had numerous discussions on this topic.  Many of us use Redemption
> (http://dimastr.com/redemption/home.htm) to handle this, since it uses
> extended MAPI calls and bypasses the security holes in Outlook.  Another
> option is ClickYes.
> 
> Charlotte Foust
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Christopher Hawkins [mailto:clh at christopherhawkins.com]
> Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 4:07 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Outlook security and SendObject?
> 
> I've been struggling with an app that uses the SendObject command to
> send eMail from within an Access app.  My client is VERY frustrated with
> the additional delay that Outlook security builds in, having to click
> 'OK' and then wait for the progress bar every time the app needs to
> generate an eMail.
> 
> I was just reading this article:
> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;262701
> 
> That outlines dome of the developer issues regarding Outlook security.
> But it did not offer an concrete workarounds aside form a mention that
> an administrator can grant a user sufficient permissions to ignore the
> new security.  I guess if you could programatically defeat it, it
> wouldn't be security.  ;)
> 
> Surely I am not the only one who has to deal with an app that send
> eMail?  There must be a way to avoid the additional wait and mouse
> clicks that Outlook security requires.  Anyone dealt with this before?
> 
> -C-
> Respectfully,
> 
> Christopher Hawkins
> Software Developer
> (559) 687-7591
> http://www.christopherhawkins.com
> 
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From KP at sdsonline.net  Mon Sep 13 20:13:21 2004
From: KP at sdsonline.net (Kath Pelletti)
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 11:13:21 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Urgent help please - Can't open html page in Frontpage
	from Access form
Message-ID: <003b01c499f8$074c8150$6501a8c0@user>

I have wasted ages on this so am now begging assistance........

I have an html file (empty at present - later it will have some basic text)

I need to my code to 
- Make a copy of the template.html file (I can do that) and 
- give it a new name, eg. Template_BHP_140904.html (I can do that)
- Open the html file just created in Frontpage for users to modify the document (That's where I'm stuck....)

My problem is a total lack of knowledge of files vs. webs and therefore the syntax I need. Questions: - 

- Do I have to have a 'web' or 'web folder' - can't I just have an html file and open it?

- If I can, what is the alternative syntax to .webs.open - eg. I am looking for a .pages.open property or .files.open ?

Here's my code so far - when I run it I get an error  - There is no web named "/E:/SDS/Clients/CPP/WebLetters/Template.html"


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Private Sub CmdOpenFP_Click()

Dim oFPweb As FrontPage.Web
Dim oFP As FrontPage.Application
Dim FrontPageRunning As Boolean

'Determine whether FrontPage is alredy open or not
FrontPageRunning = IsFrontPageRunning()

If Not FrontPageRunning Then
    MsgBox ("Frontpage is Closed")
    Set oFP = CreateObject("Frontpage.Application")
Else
    MsgBox ("Frontpage is already open")
    Set oFP = GetObject(, "Frontpage.Application")
End If

'add code here later to make a copy of my file

'open file in front page------------------------------------------------
oFP.Webs.Open ("E:\Sds\Clients\CPP\Webletters\template.html")        'STUCK HERE

 ' Show FrontPage
 oFPweb.Activate
 'Set oFP = Nothing

End Sub

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

TIA


Kath Pelletti
Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd.
Ph: 9505-6714
Fax: 9505-6430
KP at SDSOnline.net

From ebarro at afsweb.com  Mon Sep 13 20:31:46 2004
From: ebarro at afsweb.com (Eric Barro)
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 18:31:46 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Urgent help please - Can't open html page in
	Frontpagefrom Access form
In-Reply-To: <003b01c499f8$074c8150$6501a8c0@user>
Message-ID: <DPEGIFJOAFKLEDNNDGHCOEFAHCAA.ebarro@afsweb.com>

Kath,

FP webs expect to open these web folders in reference to the web root folder in IIS.

For example:

You have IIS (web server) running on the machine and you have a web called MYWEB. IIS sees this as http://localhost/MYWEB. The physical location (assuming the web root is C:\INETPUB\WWWROOT) is C:\INETPUB\WWWROOT\MYWEB\. So...if MYWEB is in a different folder...say C:\INETPUB\WWWROOT\ANOTHERFOLDER\MYWEB\  FP won't be able to recognize that as a web location.

---
Eric Barro
Senior Systems Analyst
Advanced Field Services
(208) 772-7060
http://www.afsweb.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 6:13 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Urgent help please - Can't open html page in
Frontpagefrom Access form


I have wasted ages on this so am now begging assistance........

I have an html file (empty at present - later it will have some basic text)

I need to my code to 
- Make a copy of the template.html file (I can do that) and 
- give it a new name, eg. Template_BHP_140904.html (I can do that)
- Open the html file just created in Frontpage for users to modify the document (That's where I'm stuck....)

My problem is a total lack of knowledge of files vs. webs and therefore the syntax I need. Questions: - 

- Do I have to have a 'web' or 'web folder' - can't I just have an html file and open it?

- If I can, what is the alternative syntax to .webs.open - eg. I am looking for a .pages.open property or .files.open ?

Here's my code so far - when I run it I get an error  - There is no web named "/E:/SDS/Clients/CPP/WebLetters/Template.html"


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Private Sub CmdOpenFP_Click()

Dim oFPweb As FrontPage.Web
Dim oFP As FrontPage.Application
Dim FrontPageRunning As Boolean

'Determine whether FrontPage is alredy open or not
FrontPageRunning = IsFrontPageRunning()

If Not FrontPageRunning Then
    MsgBox ("Frontpage is Closed")
    Set oFP = CreateObject("Frontpage.Application")
Else
    MsgBox ("Frontpage is already open")
    Set oFP = GetObject(, "Frontpage.Application")
End If

'add code here later to make a copy of my file

'open file in front page------------------------------------------------
oFP.Webs.Open ("E:\Sds\Clients\CPP\Webletters\template.html")        'STUCK HERE

 ' Show FrontPage
 oFPweb.Activate
 'Set oFP = Nothing

End Sub

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

TIA


Kath Pelletti
Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd.
Ph: 9505-6714
Fax: 9505-6430
KP at SDSOnline.net
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From ebarro at afsweb.com  Mon Sep 13 20:57:43 2004
From: ebarro at afsweb.com (Eric Barro)
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 18:57:43 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Outlook security and SendObject?
In-Reply-To: <b874372a0409131808f007b98@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DPEGIFJOAFKLEDNNDGHCEEFCHCAA.ebarro@afsweb.com>

Another good reason to migrate to .NET. Incorporating e-mail functionality is a breeze.

---
Eric Barro
Senior Systems Analyst
Advanced Field Services
(208) 772-7060
http://www.afsweb.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Francisco
Tapia
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 6:09 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Outlook security and SendObject?


and yet another option is blat... you can configure your application
to use their email settings to auto-send messages, w/ blat you can
even send attachments, you can find an example on how to set it up
here:
http://www.rogersaccesslibrary.com/OtherLibraries.asp#Tapia,Francisco


On Mon, 13 Sep 2004 16:11:12 -0700, Charlotte Foust
<cfoust at infostatsystems.com> wrote:
> We've had numerous discussions on this topic.  Many of us use Redemption
> (http://dimastr.com/redemption/home.htm) to handle this, since it uses
> extended MAPI calls and bypasses the security holes in Outlook.  Another
> option is ClickYes.
> 
> Charlotte Foust
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Christopher Hawkins [mailto:clh at christopherhawkins.com]
> Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 4:07 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Outlook security and SendObject?
> 
> I've been struggling with an app that uses the SendObject command to
> send eMail from within an Access app.  My client is VERY frustrated with
> the additional delay that Outlook security builds in, having to click
> 'OK' and then wait for the progress bar every time the app needs to
> generate an eMail.
> 
> I was just reading this article:
> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;262701
> 
> That outlines dome of the developer issues regarding Outlook security.
> But it did not offer an concrete workarounds aside form a mention that
> an administrator can grant a user sufficient permissions to ignore the
> new security.  I guess if you could programatically defeat it, it
> wouldn't be security.  ;)
> 
> Surely I am not the only one who has to deal with an app that send
> eMail?  There must be a way to avoid the additional wait and mouse
> clicks that Outlook security requires.  Anyone dealt with this before?
> 
> -C-
> Respectfully,
> 
> Christopher Hawkins
> Software Developer
> (559) 687-7591
> http://www.christopherhawkins.com




From michael.mattys at adelphia.net  Mon Sep 13 21:04:36 2004
From: michael.mattys at adelphia.net (Michael R Mattys)
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 22:04:36 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Hack Requested - Increase Combo Box Button Size?
References: <198030-22004911322203266@christopherhawkins.com>
Message-ID: <023201c499ff$305df270$6401a8c0@default>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Christopher Hawkins" <clh at christopherhawkins.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 6:20 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Hack Requested - Increase Combo Box Button Size?


> I suppose the title says it all.  I know there are various hacks for
> playing with the window sizes of everything, but I need to be
> surgical - I am creating an interface for a touch-screen computer,
> and it requires the use of a combo box.  
> 
> I need a way to fatten the combo box button and the scroll bar
> buttons.  Has anyone done this before?  Either prewritten code or a
> link in the right direction would be appreciated.
> 

Christopher,


If you don't get any other answers, try creating your own using a 
combination of commandbutton, textbox, and a listbox.

It should be easy enough, if you're familiar with it,
to create a WithEvents class to handle click events
for Dropdown, Visible, NotInList, etc.

----

Michael R. Mattys
Mattys MapLib for Microsoft MapPoint 
http://www.mattysconsulting.com


From clh at christopherhawkins.com  Mon Sep 13 23:39:57 2004
From: clh at christopherhawkins.com (Christopher Hawkins)
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 22:39:57 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Hack Requested - Increase Combo Box Button Size?
Message-ID: <410-22004921443957342@christopherhawkins.com>

I thought about that, but...eeeeeeew.  ;)

-C-

---- Original Message ----
From: michael.mattys at adelphia.net
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com, 
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Hack Requested - Increase Combo Box Button
Size?
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 22:04:36 -0400

>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Christopher Hawkins" <clh at christopherhawkins.com>
>To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 6:20 PM
>Subject: [AccessD] Hack Requested - Increase Combo Box Button Size?
>
>
>> I suppose the title says it all.  I know there are various hacks 
>for
>> playing with the window sizes of everything, but I need to be
>> surgical - I am creating an interface for a touch-screen computer,
>> and it requires the use of a combo box.  
>> 
>> I need a way to fatten the combo box button and the scroll bar
>> buttons.  Has anyone done this before?  Either prewritten code or a
>> link in the right direction would be appreciated.
>> 
>
>Christopher,
>
>
>If you don't get any other answers, try creating your own using a 
>combination of commandbutton, textbox, and a listbox.
>
>It should be easy enough, if you're familiar with it,
>to create a WithEvents class to handle click events
>for Dropdown, Visible, NotInList, etc.
>
>----
>
>Michael R. Mattys
>Mattys MapLib for Microsoft MapPoint 
>http://www.mattysconsulting.com
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Sep 14 03:14:34 2004
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 10:14:34 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Modify the default event handlers to mimic the
	behavior of VB 6 control arrays (VB .NET)
In-Reply-To: <xFCH_iGAA=414601c6@offers.elementkjournals.com>
References: <xFCH_iGAA=414601c6@offers.elementkjournals.com>
Message-ID: <1184661242.20040914101434@cactus.dk>

Hi all .Net freaks

Just noticed this tip from Element K Journals.
But is it just me or would this be considered bad programming
practice? Whenever I find out an event for one control can be reused
by another control, I move that code to a subfunction.

/gustav

---

If you've been mourning the loss of control arrays in VB .NET,
wipe your eyes and listen up. While it's true that .NET put the
control Index property out to pasture, you can still point
multiple controls to an event subroutine just by modifying the
event subroutines .NET exposes automatically when you add a
control to a form. For example, suppose you have two buttons on a
form named Button1 and Button2. You can make the Click() event
subroutine for Button1 also handle the Click() event for Button2
just by adding Button2.Click to the Handles portion of the
subroutine, like so:

        Private Sub Button1_Click(ByVal sender As _ Object, ByVal e As
System.EventArgs) _
                Handles Button1.Click, Button2.Click

You can append as many control Click() events as you'd like to
the Handles statement, as long as you separate each event with a
comma. As an added bonus, you can also include other Button
events or even events from any number of non-button control types
on the form. That's more than you could ever do with a VB 6
control array.



From gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Sep 14 03:59:18 2004
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 10:59:18 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net
In-Reply-To: <FJEJLIPOMCGJALMGLLLIAELBCGAA.accessd@shaw.ca>
References: <FJEJLIPOMCGJALMGLLLIAELBCGAA.accessd@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <737345271.20040914105918@cactus.dk>

Hi Jim

> I do remember the original Access 1, a good start but a long way from a full
> product. I do not think until A97 we had a product to crow about...a good
> five years from start to market acceptance.

Access 2.0 worked and still works excellent - within its limitations,
of course.

/gustav



From KP at sdsonline.net  Tue Sep 14 06:47:24 2004
From: KP at sdsonline.net (Kath Pelletti)
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 21:47:24 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Urgent help please - Can't open html page
	inFrontpagefrom Access form
References: <DPEGIFJOAFKLEDNNDGHCOEFAHCAA.ebarro@afsweb.com>
Message-ID: <001501c49a50$9a982560$6501a8c0@user>

Thanks Eric - I am finding this so confusing. 

Yes - I have IIS running here - so my file must be in a folder from C:\Inetpub\wwwroot?  I need to allow the database users to share a common file - can it find a web in a network location?

To go back to the basic requirements - what I am trying to do is allow users to click on a button in the databse which will open a document which will be published to the web. I want them to be able to create and edit that document by following a link from an access form, because the letter that the users 'create' will be linked to recipients from my database.

They could theoretically do it in Word or Notepad (or even within Access), but I want them to see how it will preview on the web before they finalise it, so formatting is done. I don't want to have to worry about whether they are running IIS or create web folders or whatever - just open and edit a simple html file in Frontpage so they can see how it would publish. Am I going about this the wrong way?

TIA!
Kath
 
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Eric Barro 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
  Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 11:31 AM
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] Urgent help please - Can't open html page inFrontpagefrom Access form


  Kath,

  FP webs expect to open these web folders in reference to the web root folder in IIS.

  For example:

  You have IIS (web server) running on the machine and you have a web called MYWEB. IIS sees this as http://localhost/MYWEB. The physical location (assuming the web root is C:\INETPUB\WWWROOT) is C:\INETPUB\WWWROOT\MYWEB\. So...if MYWEB is in a different folder...say C:\INETPUB\WWWROOT\ANOTHERFOLDER\MYWEB\  FP won't be able to recognize that as a web location.

  ---
  Eric Barro
  Senior Systems Analyst
  Advanced Field Services
  (208) 772-7060
  http://www.afsweb.com 

  -----Original Message-----
  From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
  [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti
  Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 6:13 PM
  To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
  Subject: [AccessD] Urgent help please - Can't open html page in
  Frontpagefrom Access form


  I have wasted ages on this so am now begging assistance........

  I have an html file (empty at present - later it will have some basic text)

  I need to my code to 
  - Make a copy of the template.html file (I can do that) and 
  - give it a new name, eg. Template_BHP_140904.html (I can do that)
  - Open the html file just created in Frontpage for users to modify the document (That's where I'm stuck....)

  My problem is a total lack of knowledge of files vs. webs and therefore the syntax I need. Questions: - 

  - Do I have to have a 'web' or 'web folder' - can't I just have an html file and open it?

  - If I can, what is the alternative syntax to .webs.open - eg. I am looking for a .pages.open property or .files.open ?

  Here's my code so far - when I run it I get an error  - There is no web named "/E:/SDS/Clients/CPP/WebLetters/Template.html"


  --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

  Private Sub CmdOpenFP_Click()

  Dim oFPweb As FrontPage.Web
  Dim oFP As FrontPage.Application
  Dim FrontPageRunning As Boolean

  'Determine whether FrontPage is alredy open or not
  FrontPageRunning = IsFrontPageRunning()

  If Not FrontPageRunning Then
      MsgBox ("Frontpage is Closed")
      Set oFP = CreateObject("Frontpage.Application")
  Else
      MsgBox ("Frontpage is already open")
      Set oFP = GetObject(, "Frontpage.Application")
  End If

  'add code here later to make a copy of my file

  'open file in front page------------------------------------------------
  oFP.Webs.Open ("E:\Sds\Clients\CPP\Webletters\template.html")        'STUCK HERE

   ' Show FrontPage
   oFPweb.Activate
   'Set oFP = Nothing

  End Sub

  --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

  TIA


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  Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd.
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From d.dick at uws.edu.au  Tue Sep 14 07:24:45 2004
From: d.dick at uws.edu.au (Darren DICK)
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 22:24:45 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Time diff calcs
Message-ID: <HCENJIGLCHCJMAFKCBFKGEOKCOAA.d.dick@uws.edu.au>

Hello all
I want to calculate then insert into a table the duration of a users logon
in HOURS and MINUTES
In the logon table the default value for the logon field is Now() and is
captured at...You guessed at logon. I then run a query that updates the
Logoff field to Now() once the user answers YES to loggin off. The theory
being there will be a difference even if it is only 5 or 10 seconds. Unless
some clown plays with the clock after loggin on --- but forget all that :-))

Both logon and logoff fields data types in the Logon Table are General Date
(01/01/2004 15:45:25PM)

So a user logs on at say...14/09/2004 10:08:45 PM and then logs off at
say...14/09/2004 10:10:55 PM

The time logged on = 2 mins and 10 secs but how do I calculate that?

I have udsed DateDiff but with no success...
DateDiff("Short Time",[LogonTimeAndDate],Now())
DateDiff("mm",[LogonTimeAndDate],Now())
DateDiff("nn",[LogonTimeAndDate],Now()) etc etc

Many thanks in advance

Darren




From d.dick at uws.edu.au  Tue Sep 14 07:36:37 2004
From: d.dick at uws.edu.au (Darren DICK)
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 22:36:37 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Hack Requested - Increase Combo Box Button Size?
In-Reply-To: <410-22004921443957342@christopherhawkins.com>
Message-ID: <001901c49a57$7b21c720$4a619a89@DDICK>

Hi Chris
Maybe you can still use the combo box
Just hide the 'real' drop down arrow with a button the relevant
Size with an appropriate graphic
Then on the click of that button have some code that says something like...
Me.cmbMyCombo.setfocus
Me.cmbMyCombo.Dropdown

Your users will see the 'real' drop down arrow but see if you can play with
it

HTH

Have a great day

Darren



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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Christopher
Hawkins
Sent: Tuesday, 14 September 2004 2:40 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Hack Requested - Increase Combo Box Button Size?


I thought about that, but...eeeeeeew.  ;)

-C-

---- Original Message ----
From: michael.mattys at adelphia.net
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com, 
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Hack Requested - Increase Combo Box Button Size?
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 22:04:36 -0400

>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Christopher Hawkins" <clh at christopherhawkins.com>
>To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 6:20 PM
>Subject: [AccessD] Hack Requested - Increase Combo Box Button Size?
>
>
>> I suppose the title says it all.  I know there are various hacks
>for
>> playing with the window sizes of everything, but I need to be 
>> surgical - I am creating an interface for a touch-screen computer, 
>> and it requires the use of a combo box.
>> 
>> I need a way to fatten the combo box button and the scroll bar 
>> buttons.  Has anyone done this before?  Either prewritten code or a 
>> link in the right direction would be appreciated.
>> 
>
>Christopher,
>
>
>If you don't get any other answers, try creating your own using a
>combination of commandbutton, textbox, and a listbox.
>
>It should be easy enough, if you're familiar with it,
>to create a WithEvents class to handle click events
>for Dropdown, Visible, NotInList, etc.
>
>----
>
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>http://www.mattysconsulting.com
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Sep 14 07:51:44 2004
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 14:51:44 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Time diff calcs
In-Reply-To: <HCENJIGLCHCJMAFKCBFKGEOKCOAA.d.dick@uws.edu.au>
References: <HCENJIGLCHCJMAFKCBFKGEOKCOAA.d.dick@uws.edu.au>
Message-ID: <16621291255.20040914145144@cactus.dk>

Hi Darren

That could be:

  lngDiff = DateDiff("n", [LogonTimeAndDate], Now())

To get hours and minutes:

  lngH = lngDiff \ 60
  lngM = lngDiff Mod 60

To convert to a pseudo time value for easy formatting:

  datTime = TimeSerial(lngH, lngM, 0)
  strTime = Format(datTime, "h:nn")

Be careful, though, if users (their machines) happen to be logged in
for more than 24 hours.

/gustav


> I want to calculate then insert into a table the duration of a users logon
> in HOURS and MINUTES
> In the logon table the default value for the logon field is Now() and is
> captured at...You guessed at logon. I then run a query that updates the
> Logoff field to Now() once the user answers YES to loggin off. The theory
> being there will be a difference even if it is only 5 or 10 seconds. Unless
> some clown plays with the clock after loggin on --- but forget all that :-))

> Both logon and logoff fields data types in the Logon Table are General Date
> (01/01/2004 15:45:25PM)

> So a user logs on at say...14/09/2004 10:08:45 PM and then logs off at
> say...14/09/2004 10:10:55 PM

> The time logged on = 2 mins and 10 secs but how do I calculate that?

> I have udsed DateDiff but with no success...
> DateDiff("Short Time",[LogonTimeAndDate],Now())
> DateDiff("mm",[LogonTimeAndDate],Now())
> DateDiff("nn",[LogonTimeAndDate],Now()) etc etc

> Many thanks in advance

> Darren



From BBarabash at TappeConstruction.com  Tue Sep 14 08:46:23 2004
From: BBarabash at TappeConstruction.com (Brett Barabash)
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 08:46:23 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Modify the default event handlers to mimic
	thebehavior of VB 6 control arrays (VB .NET)
Message-ID: <100F91B31300334B89EC531C9DCB0865065945@tccexch01.tappeconstruction.net>

Looks OK to me.  Are you saying that if you had consistent behaviors for
every button on your form, that you would write separate event handlers
for each control to call another proc?  Ugh!

BTW, you can call your event procedure anything you want.  Get rid of
the Button1_ moniker and it would be much more readable:

Private Sub ButtonClickHandler(ByVal sender As System.Object, ByVal e As
System.EventArgs) _
    Handles Button1.Click, Button2.Click

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 3:15 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Modify the default event handlers to mimic
thebehavior of VB 6 control arrays (VB .NET)


Hi all .Net freaks

Just noticed this tip from Element K Journals.
But is it just me or would this be considered bad programming practice?
Whenever I find out an event for one control can be reused by another
control, I move that code to a subfunction.

/gustav

---

If you've been mourning the loss of control arrays in VB .NET, wipe your
eyes and listen up. While it's true that .NET put the control Index
property out to pasture, you can still point multiple controls to an
event subroutine just by modifying the event subroutines .NET exposes
automatically when you add a control to a form. For example, suppose you
have two buttons on a form named Button1 and Button2. You can make the
Click() event subroutine for Button1 also handle the Click() event for
Button2 just by adding Button2.Click to the Handles portion of the
subroutine, like so:

        Private Sub Button1_Click(ByVal sender As _ Object, ByVal e As
System.EventArgs) _
                Handles Button1.Click, Button2.Click

You can append as many control Click() events as you'd like to the
Handles statement, as long as you separate each event with a comma. As
an added bonus, you can also include other Button events or even events
from any number of non-button control types on the form. That's more
than you could ever do with a VB 6 control array.


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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Sep 14 08:51:54 2004
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 09:51:54 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Modify the default event handlers to mimic
	thebehavior of VB 6 control arrays (VB .NET)
In-Reply-To: <1184661242.20040914101434@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <005601c49a62$01885180$e8dafea9@ColbyM6805>

Gustav,

In fact I use something similar using withevents.  As you know if a control
is dimensioned Withevents, its events can be sunk in that class.  What
happens however when you have a class for each control, the number of
controls monitored can vary, and yet you still want to be able to process
each control in a loop and monitor the events for that control?  By dimming
a single control Withevents, you can now iterate the loop of control
classes, get a pointer to the control that the class instance handles, and
SET the single control variable to the control in the class.  Now if the
control (or the class if you are monitoring class events) fires an event,
the supervisor can see it and process it.  Since the supervisor knows which
instance of the class or control it is processing at the moment it is easy
to figure out what to do with the event.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 4:15 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Modify the default event handlers to mimic
thebehavior of VB 6 control arrays (VB .NET)


Hi all .Net freaks

Just noticed this tip from Element K Journals.
But is it just me or would this be considered bad programming practice?
Whenever I find out an event for one control can be reused by another
control, I move that code to a subfunction.

/gustav

---

If you've been mourning the loss of control arrays in VB .NET, wipe your
eyes and listen up. While it's true that .NET put the control Index property
out to pasture, you can still point multiple controls to an event subroutine
just by modifying the event subroutines .NET exposes automatically when you
add a control to a form. For example, suppose you have two buttons on a form
named Button1 and Button2. You can make the Click() event subroutine for
Button1 also handle the Click() event for Button2 just by adding
Button2.Click to the Handles portion of the subroutine, like so:

        Private Sub Button1_Click(ByVal sender As _ Object, ByVal e As
System.EventArgs) _
                Handles Button1.Click, Button2.Click

You can append as many control Click() events as you'd like to the Handles
statement, as long as you separate each event with a comma. As an added
bonus, you can also include other Button events or even events from any
number of non-button control types on the form. That's more than you could
ever do with a VB 6 control array.

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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Tue Sep 14 08:54:28 2004
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (DWUTKA at marlow.com)
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 08:54:28 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Hack Requested - Increase Combo Box Button Size?
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8031BB374@main2.marlow.com>

Access forms, and their controls, do not act like other windows.  Typically,
on a normal window, every control is a 'child window', and thus can be
resized with API's.  Access only has ONE control window on the form, which
'shapes' around the active window.  It's wierd.

Anyhow, I can recommend two 'Non-ActiveX' approaches.  One, just put a
bigger command button next to the combobox, and have it trigger the DropDown
method of the combo box.  Two, a little more complex, but would allow you to
control all aspests, would be to build your own combo box with labels.  The
beta version of the MiniCalendar does this, for the Month list.  Everything
is either a picture or a label, but it 'acts' like a combo box.  That would
allow you to make the 'button' AND the items bigger.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Christopher
Hawkins
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 5:21 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Hack Requested - Increase Combo Box Button Size?


I suppose the title says it all.  I know there are various hacks for
playing with the window sizes of everything, but I need to be
surgical - I am creating an interface for a touch-screen computer,
and it requires the use of a combo box.  

I need a way to fatten the combo box button and the scroll bar
buttons.  Has anyone done this before?  Either prewritten code or a
link in the right direction would be appreciated.

-Christopher-
Respectfully,

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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Tue Sep 14 08:56:23 2004
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (DWUTKA at marlow.com)
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 08:56:23 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8031BB375@main2.marlow.com>

True for most .dll's.  I have had problems with mm.dll, the multimedia .dll.
Some software developers think they can tweak that one better, and I've had
.avi playing code that just fails on certain machines.  Go figure.  Other
then that, you're right, .dll's are rock solid for APIs.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Stuart
McLachlan
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 5:45 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net


On 13 Sep 2004 at 17:17, Scott Marcus wrote:

> Drew,
> 
> Are you saying that .Net uses wrappers?
> 
> The problem with API's is dll hell. 

There's no DLL hell with the API.

The Win32 API uses system DLLS which are backward compatible between 
Windows versions. 

The majority of API calls work for every version of WIndows from W95 on 
including all of the most commonly used APIs.   If you want to use an API 
feature that is limited to certain OS versions, you just need to check the 
OSVersion first.



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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Tue Sep 14 09:01:14 2004
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (DWUTKA at marlow.com)
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 09:01:14 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Urgent help please - Can't open html page inFrontpa
	gefrom Access form
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8031BB376@main2.marlow.com>

If you have VB, you can just 'preview' it for them in a simple VB browser.

Drew

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti
Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 6:47 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Urgent help please - Can't open html page
inFrontpagefrom Access form


Thanks Eric - I am finding this so confusing. 

Yes - I have IIS running here - so my file must be in a folder from
C:\Inetpub\wwwroot?  I need to allow the database users to share a common
file - can it find a web in a network location?

To go back to the basic requirements - what I am trying to do is allow users
to click on a button in the databse which will open a document which will be
published to the web. I want them to be able to create and edit that
document by following a link from an access form, because the letter that
the users 'create' will be linked to recipients from my database.

They could theoretically do it in Word or Notepad (or even within Access),
but I want them to see how it will preview on the web before they finalise
it, so formatting is done. I don't want to have to worry about whether they
are running IIS or create web folders or whatever - just open and edit a
simple html file in Frontpage so they can see how it would publish. Am I
going about this the wrong way?

TIA!
Kath
 
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Eric Barro 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
  Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 11:31 AM
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] Urgent help please - Can't open html page
inFrontpagefrom Access form


  Kath,

  FP webs expect to open these web folders in reference to the web root
folder in IIS.

  For example:

  You have IIS (web server) running on the machine and you have a web called
MYWEB. IIS sees this as http://localhost/MYWEB. The physical location
(assuming the web root is C:\INETPUB\WWWROOT) is C:\INETPUB\WWWROOT\MYWEB\.
So...if MYWEB is in a different folder...say
C:\INETPUB\WWWROOT\ANOTHERFOLDER\MYWEB\  FP won't be able to recognize that
as a web location.

  ---
  Eric Barro
  Senior Systems Analyst
  Advanced Field Services
  (208) 772-7060
  http://www.afsweb.com 

  -----Original Message-----
  From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
  [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti
  Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 6:13 PM
  To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
  Subject: [AccessD] Urgent help please - Can't open html page in
  Frontpagefrom Access form


  I have wasted ages on this so am now begging assistance........

  I have an html file (empty at present - later it will have some basic
text)

  I need to my code to 
  - Make a copy of the template.html file (I can do that) and 
  - give it a new name, eg. Template_BHP_140904.html (I can do that)
  - Open the html file just created in Frontpage for users to modify the
document (That's where I'm stuck....)

  My problem is a total lack of knowledge of files vs. webs and therefore
the syntax I need. Questions: - 

  - Do I have to have a 'web' or 'web folder' - can't I just have an html
file and open it?

  - If I can, what is the alternative syntax to .webs.open - eg. I am
looking for a .pages.open property or .files.open ?

  Here's my code so far - when I run it I get an error  - There is no web
named "/E:/SDS/Clients/CPP/WebLetters/Template.html"


 
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
----

  Private Sub CmdOpenFP_Click()

  Dim oFPweb As FrontPage.Web
  Dim oFP As FrontPage.Application
  Dim FrontPageRunning As Boolean

  'Determine whether FrontPage is alredy open or not
  FrontPageRunning = IsFrontPageRunning()

  If Not FrontPageRunning Then
      MsgBox ("Frontpage is Closed")
      Set oFP = CreateObject("Frontpage.Application")
  Else
      MsgBox ("Frontpage is already open")
      Set oFP = GetObject(, "Frontpage.Application")
  End If

  'add code here later to make a copy of my file

  'open file in front page------------------------------------------------
  oFP.Webs.Open ("E:\Sds\Clients\CPP\Webletters\template.html")
'STUCK HERE

   ' Show FrontPage
   oFPweb.Activate
   'Set oFP = Nothing

  End Sub

 
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
----

  TIA


  Kath Pelletti
  Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd.
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From deanellis at iprimus.com.au  Tue Sep 14 09:26:25 2004
From: deanellis at iprimus.com.au (Dean Ellis)
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 23:56:25 +0930
Subject: [AccessD] Details of Tables, queries etc being accessed by Forms.
Message-ID: <NHBBJMFJGLBLEAIIABJMMEMOCDAA.deanellis@iprimus.com.au>

Hi all,

I have a database that I work with continually. It works well and people are
begining to sit up and take notice of it. (Yes Darren, it's my monster).
When I do development work on it, It's become that large that at times, I
need to go into the design side of a form and read the code to know what
table, or query, or form to open. What I would like to know, and its really
for my own benefit, is; Is there a way that I can have a form (just 1 form),
That I can access, say using a self created shortcut key, that will detail
the table  or query being accessed by the form, the names of any subforms on
the main form? If this can be done, how much info of this nature can I
extract?

Thanks in advance.

Dean Ellis
ph 08 8398 5536
m 0410 474 910
Visit our website: www.jedel.com


From Paul.Rogers at SummitMedia.co.uk  Tue Sep 14 09:34:51 2004
From: Paul.Rogers at SummitMedia.co.uk (Paul Rodgers)
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 15:34:51 +0100
Subject: [AccessD]Making windows speaka da English
Message-ID: <EAF3070ACB1AD81182280002A51EF731192213@s003.wolds.summitmedia.co.uk>

How to change a foreign windows 2k to English, that is the challenge. Anyone
ever managed it, please? Cheers paul

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From cyx5 at cdc.gov  Tue Sep 14 09:20:13 2004
From: cyx5 at cdc.gov (Nicholson, Karen)
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 10:20:13 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Table TempMSYSAccessObjects Already Exists
Message-ID: <A5B5AA20555F594BA7B6BD2048E49E438406AF@m-niosh-5.niosh.cdc.gov>

I was compacting my database when I ran out of room on my L drive.
Apparently, I see that I have lots of space, by IT has the drive
configured to maintain a mirror backup which is only cleared out every
five days.  So, the compact fails.  I moved the database to my L drive,
but now when I try to compact, I get the error message saying Table
TempMYSYSAccessObjects already exists.  I turned on the feature to view
the system tables.  Can I delete this table to try to compact that
database?  Has anyone else run into this?  Thanks.  Grumble grumble...

Karen Nicholson
National Laboratory
Xerox Global Services




From markamatte at hotmail.com  Tue Sep 14 09:20:11 2004
From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte)
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 14:20:11 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Time diff calcs
Message-ID: <BAY1-F6Zu8VamThcdV2000acc4c@hotmail.com>

Darren,

I use something similar for a re-measure tool...(its like a built in 
stopwatch)...anyway...I just take a datediff of seconds...and then put it 
through this little sub to split it into seconds and minutes(could be 
converted for hours also).  Please let me know if you have any questions.

Thanks,

Mark A. Matte

Me!EndDTTM = Now()
Dim Seconds
Dim RMmin
Dim RMsec
Seconds = DateDiff("s", Me!StartDTTM, Me!EndDTTM)
Dim Check, Counter
Check = True: Counter = 0

Do
    Counter = Counter + 1
    If Counter * 60 > Seconds Then
        RMmin = Counter - 1
        RMsec = Seconds - ((Counter - 1) * 60)
        Check = False
        Exit Do
    End If
Loop Until Check = False
Forms!frmRecords!RMCallLengthM.Value = RMmin
Forms!frmRecords!RMCallLengthS.Value = RMsec
DoCmd.close


>From: "Darren DICK" <d.dick at uws.edu.au>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: "AccessD List" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Time diff calcs
>Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 22:24:45 +1000
>
>Hello all
>I want to calculate then insert into a table the duration of a users logon
>in HOURS and MINUTES
>In the logon table the default value for the logon field is Now() and is
>captured at...You guessed at logon. I then run a query that updates the
>Logoff field to Now() once the user answers YES to loggin off. The theory
>being there will be a difference even if it is only 5 or 10 seconds. Unless
>some clown plays with the clock after loggin on --- but forget all that 
>:-))
>
>Both logon and logoff fields data types in the Logon Table are General Date
>(01/01/2004 15:45:25PM)
>
>So a user logs on at say...14/09/2004 10:08:45 PM and then logs off at
>say...14/09/2004 10:10:55 PM
>
>The time logged on = 2 mins and 10 secs but how do I calculate that?
>
>I have udsed DateDiff but with no success...
>DateDiff("Short Time",[LogonTimeAndDate],Now())
>DateDiff("mm",[LogonTimeAndDate],Now())
>DateDiff("nn",[LogonTimeAndDate],Now()) etc etc
>
>Many thanks in advance
>
>Darren
>
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From d.dick at uws.edu.au  Tue Sep 14 09:52:00 2004
From: d.dick at uws.edu.au (Darren DICK)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 00:52:00 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Details of Tables, queries etc being accessed by Forms.
In-Reply-To: <NHBBJMFJGLBLEAIIABJMMEMOCDAA.deanellis@iprimus.com.au>
Message-ID: <002001c49a6a$63ad5010$4a619a89@DDICK>

Hey Deano 
Dunno if this is what you want but..

Put a label control in the header called lblMyRecSet and the following code
on load of the form

Me.lblMyRecSet.Caption = "Recordset for this form: '" & Me.Form.Name & "' =
" &  Me.RecordSource 

Should work for tables or SQL statements

See ya - going to bed now 

Have a great day

Darren



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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dean Ellis
Sent: Wednesday, 15 September 2004 12:26 AM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] Details of Tables, queries etc being accessed by Forms.


Hi all,

I have a database that I work with continually. It works well and people are
begining to sit up and take notice of it. (Yes Darren, it's my monster).
When I do development work on it, It's become that large that at times, I
need to go into the design side of a form and read the code to know what
table, or query, or form to open. What I would like to know, and its really
for my own benefit, is; Is there a way that I can have a form (just 1 form),
That I can access, say using a self created shortcut key, that will detail
the table  or query being accessed by the form, the names of any subforms on
the main form? If this can be done, how much info of this nature can I
extract?

Thanks in advance.

Dean Ellis
ph 08 8398 5536
m 0410 474 910
Visit our website: www.jedel.com




From gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Sep 14 09:55:40 2004
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 16:55:40 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Modify the default event handlers to mimic
	thebehavior of VB 6 control arrays (VB .NET)
In-Reply-To: <100F91B31300334B89EC531C9DCB0865065945@tccexch01.tappeconstruction.net>
References: <100F91B31300334B89EC531C9DCB0865065945@tccexch01.tappeconstruction.net>
Message-ID: <12428727037.20040914165540@cactus.dk>

Hi Brett and John

Brett, thanks for clearing this up. I can see I have been victimised
by unreadable code as I - as you guessed - wearing my Access goggles
read Button1_Click as the event handler.

So this in the "reverse" of calling a sub from several events?
You specify a sub and specify - withing this - which events should
call the sub? Have in mind please, that I'm not familiar with neither
VB6 or dot Net.

Of course you are both right about WithEvents. However, sometimes you
just need to, say, have updating of a checkbox and clicking a button
to do the same; then I don't write duplicate code but move it to a sub
which I call from the relevant events.

/gustav


> Looks OK to me.  Are you saying that if you had consistent behaviors for
> every button on your form, that you would write separate event handlers
> for each control to call another proc?  Ugh!

> BTW, you can call your event procedure anything you want.  Get rid of
> the Button1_ moniker and it would be much more readable:

> Private Sub ButtonClickHandler(ByVal sender As System.Object, ByVal e As
> System.EventArgs) _
>     Handles Button1.Click, Button2.Click

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
> Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 3:15 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] OT: Modify the default event handlers to mimic
> thebehavior of VB 6 control arrays (VB .NET)


> Hi all .Net freaks

> Just noticed this tip from Element K Journals.
> But is it just me or would this be considered bad programming practice?
> Whenever I find out an event for one control can be reused by another
> control, I move that code to a subfunction.

> /gustav

> ---

> If you've been mourning the loss of control arrays in VB .NET, wipe your
> eyes and listen up. While it's true that .NET put the control Index
> property out to pasture, you can still point multiple controls to an
> event subroutine just by modifying the event subroutines .NET exposes
> automatically when you add a control to a form. For example, suppose you
> have two buttons on a form named Button1 and Button2. You can make the
> Click() event subroutine for Button1 also handle the Click() event for
> Button2 just by adding Button2.Click to the Handles portion of the
> subroutine, like so:

>         Private Sub Button1_Click(ByVal sender As _ Object, ByVal e As
> System.EventArgs) _
>                 Handles Button1.Click, Button2.Click

> You can append as many control Click() events as you'd like to the
> Handles statement, as long as you separate each event with a comma. As
> an added bonus, you can also include other Button events or even events
> from any number of non-button control types on the form. That's more
> than you could ever do with a VB 6 control array.



From actebs at actebs.com.au  Tue Sep 14 10:56:42 2004
From: actebs at actebs.com.au (ACTEBS)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 01:56:42 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Re: emailing a newsletter
Message-ID: <2025BB6F17FCB54791F23CD5055833280384F1@starfleet.unknown.local>

Reuben,

I wouldn't mid a copy as well...

Thanks
Vlad

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Ervin Brindza
Sent: Monday, 13 September 2004 7:46 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Re: emailing a newsletter


Reuben,
could you share it, please?
Many TIA,
    Ervin
----- Original Message -----
From: "Reuben Cummings" <reuben at gfconsultants.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: 10 September, 2004 5:47 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] emailing a newsletter


> Augusta, I sent you a copy of a very small db that I have than can do 
> what you are after.
>
> Reuben Cummings
> GFC, LLC
> phone: 812.523.1017
> email: reuben at gfconsultants.com
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of augusta
> > Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 9:30 AM
> > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > Subject: [AccessD] emailing a newsletter
> >
> >
> > I have a client who has about 700 email addresses within an Access 
> > database to whom she would like to send a newsletter.
> >
> > Can anyone suggest a good way of going about this, other than 
> > query/copy/paste in to outlook? Also, for some reason when she does 
> > it this way, she can only use about 50 address.
> >
> > Thanks augusta
> >
> >
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From BBarabash at TappeConstruction.com  Tue Sep 14 10:44:59 2004
From: BBarabash at TappeConstruction.com (Brett Barabash)
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 10:44:59 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Modify the default event handlers to
	mimicthebehavior of VB 6 control arrays (VB .NET)
Message-ID: <100F91B31300334B89EC531C9DCB0865065946@tccexch01.tappeconstruction.net>

>So this in the "reverse" of calling a sub from several events? 
>You specify a sub and specify - withing this - which events should call
the sub?

Exactly, that's what the Handles keyword is all about.  Delegation is
one of the new VB.NET features that opens up all sorts of possibilities.

Notice the argument list for the button click handler:
ByVal sender As System.Object, ByVal e As System.EventArgs

These standard arguments are used for all handlers.  Therefore, you
could create a single handler to handle your button click and a checkbox
click (and a textbox change for that matter!).

The Handles keyword serves as a nice tidy wrapper around the
System.Delegate assembly.  There are some cool things that can be done
through code, like dynamically assigning a method from one class (or
control) to be automatically handled by another classes method.


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 9:56 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Modify the default event handlers to
mimicthebehavior of VB 6 control arrays (VB .NET)


Hi Brett and John

Brett, thanks for clearing this up. I can see I have been victimised by
unreadable code as I - as you guessed - wearing my Access goggles read
Button1_Click as the event handler.

So this in the "reverse" of calling a sub from several events?
You specify a sub and specify - withing this - which events should call
the sub? Have in mind please, that I'm not familiar with neither
VB6 or dot Net.

Of course you are both right about WithEvents. However, sometimes you
just need to, say, have updating of a checkbox and clicking a button to
do the same; then I don't write duplicate code but move it to a sub
which I call from the relevant events.

/gustav


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From adtp at touchtelindia.net  Tue Sep 14 13:36:16 2004
From: adtp at touchtelindia.net (A.D.Tejpal)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 00:06:16 +0530
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Time diff calcs
References: <HCENJIGLCHCJMAFKCBFKGEOKCOAA.d.dick@uws.edu.au>
Message-ID: <00af01c49a89$e9791480$bb1865cb@winxp>

Darren,

    The select query given below should get you the period lapsed in terms of DaysGap (if more than 24 hrs) and TimeGap (over & above the completed days).

    T_Log is the name of data table.

Regards,
A.D.Tejpal

=================================
SELECT T_Log.LogonTimeAndDate, Int(Now()-[LogonTimeAndDate]) AS DaysGap, Format((Now()-[LogonTimeAndDate]),"hh:nn:ss") AS TimeGap
FROM T_Log;
=================================

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Darren DICK 
  To: AccessD List 
  Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 17:54
  Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Time diff calcs


  Hello all
  I want to calculate then insert into a table the duration of a users logon
  in HOURS and MINUTES
  In the logon table the default value for the logon field is Now() and is
  captured at...You guessed at logon. I then run a query that updates the
  Logoff field to Now() once the user answers YES to loggin off. The theory
  being there will be a difference even if it is only 5 or 10 seconds. Unless
  some clown plays with the clock after loggin on --- but forget all that :-))

  Both logon and logoff fields data types in the Logon Table are General Date
  (01/01/2004 15:45:25PM)

  So a user logs on at say...14/09/2004 10:08:45 PM and then logs off at
  say...14/09/2004 10:10:55 PM

  The time logged on = 2 mins and 10 secs but how do I calculate that?

  I have udsed DateDiff but with no success...
  DateDiff("Short Time",[LogonTimeAndDate],Now())
  DateDiff("mm",[LogonTimeAndDate],Now())
  DateDiff("nn",[LogonTimeAndDate],Now()) etc etc

  Many thanks in advance

  Darren



From artful at rogers.com  Tue Sep 14 14:33:41 2004
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 15:33:41 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Time diff calcs
In-Reply-To: <HCENJIGLCHCJMAFKCBFKGEOKCOAA.d.dick@uws.edu.au>
Message-ID: <027201c49a91$be215f10$6501a8c0@rock>

IMHO you should always store time differences in seconds rather than any
higher denomination, then leave the formatting of same to the front end.
That way, IMO, your back-end data is always correct (and easily
calculated), and you can postpone the formatting until the front end is
right, confident that your data in the back-end is correct.

Just my $.02.

Arthur

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darren DICK
Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 8:25 AM
To: AccessD List
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Time diff calcs


Hello all
I want to calculate then insert into a table the duration of a users
logon in HOURS and MINUTES In the logon table the default value for the
logon field is Now() and is captured at...You guessed at logon. I then
run a query that updates the Logoff field to Now() once the user answers
YES to loggin off. The theory being there will be a difference even if
it is only 5 or 10 seconds. Unless some clown plays with the clock after
loggin on --- but forget all that :-))

Both logon and logoff fields data types in the Logon Table are General
Date (01/01/2004 15:45:25PM)

So a user logs on at say...14/09/2004 10:08:45 PM and then logs off at
say...14/09/2004 10:10:55 PM

The time logged on = 2 mins and 10 secs but how do I calculate that?

I have udsed DateDiff but with no success...
DateDiff("Short Time",[LogonTimeAndDate],Now())
DateDiff("mm",[LogonTimeAndDate],Now())
DateDiff("nn",[LogonTimeAndDate],Now()) etc etc

Many thanks in advance

Darren


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From Subscriptions at servicexp.com  Tue Sep 14 16:26:05 2004
From: Subscriptions at servicexp.com (Robert Gracie)
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 17:26:05 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Connecting to MySQL across Internet
In-Reply-To: <027201c49a91$be215f10$6501a8c0@rock>
Message-ID: <GPEGJHKJCEPGJIEIOEOOOEKGEBAA.Subscriptions@servicexp.com>

Hello,
 I have a program that may need to connect to a MySQL database across the
internet, on the fly. It's only for a very small portion of the program so
it may or may not be needed to be utilized by many users.

 So basically what is the best (lightest) way to make this connection on the
fly, and only when needed? I think I will be looking at 3-4 tables MAX.


Robert Gracie
www.servicexp.com




From mike at welshfam.org  Tue Sep 14 17:03:14 2004
From: mike at welshfam.org (Michael Welsh)
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 18:03:14 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Hack Requested - Increase Combo Box Button Size?
In-Reply-To: <410-22004921443957342@christopherhawkins.com>
Message-ID: <200409142203.i8EM37616960@databaseadvisors.com>

Chris,
The scrollbars and dropdown arrows are sized by Windows. If you change the
size of the scroll bar in the Display properties, Access changes the size in
all of your forms. Display Properties: Appearance: Advanced: select
Scrollbar, change size (WindowsXP).

Mike 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Christopher
Hawkins
Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 12:40 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Hack Requested - Increase Combo Box Button Size?

I thought about that, but...eeeeeeew.  ;)

-C-

---- Original Message ----
From: michael.mattys at adelphia.net
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com,
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Hack Requested - Increase Combo Box Button Size?
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 22:04:36 -0400

>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Christopher Hawkins" <clh at christopherhawkins.com>
>To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 6:20 PM
>Subject: [AccessD] Hack Requested - Increase Combo Box Button Size?
>
>
>> I suppose the title says it all.  I know there are various hacks
>for
>> playing with the window sizes of everything, but I need to be 
>> surgical - I am creating an interface for a touch-screen computer, 
>> and it requires the use of a combo box.
>> 
>> I need a way to fatten the combo box button and the scroll bar 
>> buttons.  Has anyone done this before?  Either prewritten code or a 
>> link in the right direction would be appreciated.
>> 
>
>Christopher,
>
>
>If you don't get any other answers, try creating your own using a 
>combination of commandbutton, textbox, and a listbox.
>
>It should be easy enough, if you're familiar with it, to create a 
>WithEvents class to handle click events for Dropdown, Visible, 
>NotInList, etc.
>
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From pblack at hotmail.com  Tue Sep 14 17:16:40 2004
From: pblack at hotmail.com (Paul Black)
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 22:16:40 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Problem with code to change field data type in vba
Message-ID: <BAY22-F34y9vGz1JeKi00076e93@hotmail.com>

Hi

I using Access 97 and can not get the following to work:

Private Sub Command0_Click()
Dim fld As Field
Dim dbs As Database
Dim tbl As TableDef

Set dbs = CurrentDb()
For Each fld In tbl.Fields
    If Left$(tbl.Name, 2) = "t_" And fld <> "t_proj" And fld <> "t_pt" And 
fld <> "t_plink" And fld <> "ptlink" And fld <> "t_species" Then
        fld.Type = dbInteger
    End If
Next fld

Beep
MsgBox "Done"
End Sub

It is supposed to change the field data type to integer from text. All field 
names to change begin with 't_' excluding certain fields listed above. I 
keep getting an error:

Runtime error '91'
Object Variable or With Block variable not set

Other than the excluded fields above all the data conatined in the fields is 
numeric or has a Null value... but it is in a text field. The data is coming 
to me off of a Pocket PC and it won't let me change the field type to 
numeric.

Please help me solve this.

Thanks

PB

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From KP at sdsonline.net  Tue Sep 14 18:12:05 2004
From: KP at sdsonline.net (Kath Pelletti)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 09:12:05 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Urgent help please - Can't open html page
	inFrontpagefrom Access form
References: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8031BB376@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <006501c49ab0$4255fe30$6501a8c0@user>

I don't have VB Drew.......

Kath
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: DWUTKA at marlow.com 
  To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 12:01 AM
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] Urgent help please - Can't open html page inFrontpagefrom Access form


  If you have VB, you can just 'preview' it for them in a simple VB browser.

  Drew

  -----Original Message-----
  From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
  [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti
  Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 6:47 AM
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Urgent help please - Can't open html page
  inFrontpagefrom Access form


  Thanks Eric - I am finding this so confusing. 

  Yes - I have IIS running here - so my file must be in a folder from
  C:\Inetpub\wwwroot?  I need to allow the database users to share a common
  file - can it find a web in a network location?

  To go back to the basic requirements - what I am trying to do is allow users
  to click on a button in the databse which will open a document which will be
  published to the web. I want them to be able to create and edit that
  document by following a link from an access form, because the letter that
  the users 'create' will be linked to recipients from my database.

  They could theoretically do it in Word or Notepad (or even within Access),
  but I want them to see how it will preview on the web before they finalise
  it, so formatting is done. I don't want to have to worry about whether they
  are running IIS or create web folders or whatever - just open and edit a
  simple html file in Frontpage so they can see how it would publish. Am I
  going about this the wrong way?

  TIA!
  Kath
   
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Eric Barro 
    To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
    Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 11:31 AM
    Subject: RE: [AccessD] Urgent help please - Can't open html page
  inFrontpagefrom Access form


    Kath,

    FP webs expect to open these web folders in reference to the web root
  folder in IIS.

    For example:

    You have IIS (web server) running on the machine and you have a web called
  MYWEB. IIS sees this as http://localhost/MYWEB. The physical location
  (assuming the web root is C:\INETPUB\WWWROOT) is C:\INETPUB\WWWROOT\MYWEB\.
  So...if MYWEB is in a different folder...say
  C:\INETPUB\WWWROOT\ANOTHERFOLDER\MYWEB\  FP won't be able to recognize that
  as a web location.

    ---
    Eric Barro
    Senior Systems Analyst
    Advanced Field Services
    (208) 772-7060
    http://www.afsweb.com 

    -----Original Message-----
    From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
    [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti
    Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 6:13 PM
    To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
    Subject: [AccessD] Urgent help please - Can't open html page in
    Frontpagefrom Access form


    I have wasted ages on this so am now begging assistance........

    I have an html file (empty at present - later it will have some basic
  text)

    I need to my code to 
    - Make a copy of the template.html file (I can do that) and 
    - give it a new name, eg. Template_BHP_140904.html (I can do that)
    - Open the html file just created in Frontpage for users to modify the
  document (That's where I'm stuck....)

    My problem is a total lack of knowledge of files vs. webs and therefore
  the syntax I need. Questions: - 

    - Do I have to have a 'web' or 'web folder' - can't I just have an html
  file and open it?

    - If I can, what is the alternative syntax to .webs.open - eg. I am
  looking for a .pages.open property or .files.open ?

    Here's my code so far - when I run it I get an error  - There is no web
  named "/E:/SDS/Clients/CPP/WebLetters/Template.html"


   
  ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
  ----

    Private Sub CmdOpenFP_Click()

    Dim oFPweb As FrontPage.Web
    Dim oFP As FrontPage.Application
    Dim FrontPageRunning As Boolean

    'Determine whether FrontPage is alredy open or not
    FrontPageRunning = IsFrontPageRunning()

    If Not FrontPageRunning Then
        MsgBox ("Frontpage is Closed")
        Set oFP = CreateObject("Frontpage.Application")
    Else
        MsgBox ("Frontpage is already open")
        Set oFP = GetObject(, "Frontpage.Application")
    End If

    'add code here later to make a copy of my file

    'open file in front page------------------------------------------------
    oFP.Webs.Open ("E:\Sds\Clients\CPP\Webletters\template.html")
  'STUCK HERE

     ' Show FrontPage
     oFPweb.Activate
     'Set oFP = Nothing

    End Sub

   
  ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
  ----

    TIA


    Kath Pelletti
    Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd.
    Ph: 9505-6714
    Fax: 9505-6430
    KP at SDSOnline.net
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From rfv at entelix.com  Tue Sep 14 19:17:19 2004
From: rfv at entelix.com (rfv at entelix.com)
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 19:17:19 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] (no subject)
Message-ID: <200409150017.i8F0HO624634@databaseadvisors.com>

Hi,

I am not sure if it is correct to post this kind of message on this forum.
If it is not, please I apologize.

We just uploaded our first beta demo to  <http://www.dbxtra.com/>
www.dbxtra.com.

DBxtra - enterprise reporting system - is a innovative and comprehensive
data-explorer and reporting tool for information delivery, analysis and
decision making. It connects to multiple databases across enterprises, and
allows exploring your data in unlimited ways in order to take the right
business decisions.

It does the following
1. Connect to your data (MS Access, SQL Server, Excel, Paradox, DBF and Tetx
files)
2. Explore your data
3. Design and deploy your reports
4. Export your data
5. Send your data by E-mail
6. Schedule reports and alerts

 

You can download a demo and test it. After you tested it and if you write us
your comments, we will give you a license for free.

I am also open minded to receive any critics about the web site.

Thanks to all of you.

 

Rudolf F. Vanek

www.dbxtra.com <http://www.dbxtra.com/> 

 

 

 



From rfv at entelix.com  Tue Sep 14 19:17:41 2004
From: rfv at entelix.com (rfv at entelix.com)
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 19:17:41 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] DBxtra
Message-ID: <200409150017.i8F0Hl625569@databaseadvisors.com>

Hi,

I am not sure if it is correct to post this kind of message on this forum.
If it is not, please I apologize.

We just uploaded our first beta demo to  <http://www.dbxtra.com/>
www.dbxtra.com.

DBxtra - enterprise reporting system - is a innovative and comprehensive
data-explorer and reporting tool for information delivery, analysis and
decision making. It connects to multiple databases across enterprises, and
allows exploring your data in unlimited ways in order to take the right
business decisions.

It does the following
1. Connect to your data (MS Access, SQL Server, Excel, Paradox, DBF and Tetx
files)
2. Explore your data
3. Design and deploy your reports
4. Export your data
5. Send your data by E-mail
6. Schedule reports and alerts

 

You can download a demo and test it. After you tested it and if you write us
your comments, we will give you a license for free.

I am also open minded to receive any critics about the web site.

Thanks to all of you.

 

Rudolf F. Vanek

www.dbxtra.com <http://www.dbxtra.com/> 

 

 

 



From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Sep 14 22:03:57 2004
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence (AccessD))
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 20:03:57 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Urgent help please - Can't open html pageinFrontpagefrom
	Access form
In-Reply-To: <006501c49ab0$4255fe30$6501a8c0@user>
Message-ID: <FJEJLIPOMCGJALMGLLLIEEMECGAA.accessd@shaw.ca>

Hi Kath:

If the file is in html format and saved with the html extension. I.e.
test.html, then any station with an active browser will display it. Even if
the file is originally a document file it can be saved as an html file and
Microsoft will do the conversion for you...sometime it is not very pretty
but it is simple. All that has to be done for each station to view/run it is
that the html 'document' has to be stored in a common shared directory.

HTH
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti
Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 4:12 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Urgent help please - Can't open html
pageinFrontpagefrom Access form


I don't have VB Drew.......

Kath
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: DWUTKA at marlow.com
  To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
  Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 12:01 AM
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] Urgent help please - Can't open html page
inFrontpagefrom Access form


  If you have VB, you can just 'preview' it for them in a simple VB browser.

  Drew

  -----Original Message-----
  From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
  [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti
  Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 6:47 AM
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Urgent help please - Can't open html page
  inFrontpagefrom Access form


  Thanks Eric - I am finding this so confusing.

  Yes - I have IIS running here - so my file must be in a folder from
  C:\Inetpub\wwwroot?  I need to allow the database users to share a common
  file - can it find a web in a network location?

  To go back to the basic requirements - what I am trying to do is allow
users
  to click on a button in the databse which will open a document which will
be
  published to the web. I want them to be able to create and edit that
  document by following a link from an access form, because the letter that
  the users 'create' will be linked to recipients from my database.

  They could theoretically do it in Word or Notepad (or even within Access),
  but I want them to see how it will preview on the web before they finalise
  it, so formatting is done. I don't want to have to worry about whether
they
  are running IIS or create web folders or whatever - just open and edit a
  simple html file in Frontpage so they can see how it would publish. Am I
  going about this the wrong way?

  TIA!
  Kath

    ----- Original Message -----
    From: Eric Barro
    To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
    Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 11:31 AM
    Subject: RE: [AccessD] Urgent help please - Can't open html page
  inFrontpagefrom Access form


    Kath,

    FP webs expect to open these web folders in reference to the web root
  folder in IIS.

    For example:

    You have IIS (web server) running on the machine and you have a web
called
  MYWEB. IIS sees this as http://localhost/MYWEB. The physical location
  (assuming the web root is C:\INETPUB\WWWROOT) is
C:\INETPUB\WWWROOT\MYWEB\.
  So...if MYWEB is in a different folder...say
  C:\INETPUB\WWWROOT\ANOTHERFOLDER\MYWEB\  FP won't be able to recognize
that
  as a web location.

    ---
    Eric Barro
    Senior Systems Analyst
    Advanced Field Services
    (208) 772-7060
    http://www.afsweb.com

    -----Original Message-----
    From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
    [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti
    Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 6:13 PM
    To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
    Subject: [AccessD] Urgent help please - Can't open html page in
    Frontpagefrom Access form


    I have wasted ages on this so am now begging assistance........

    I have an html file (empty at present - later it will have some basic
  text)

    I need to my code to
    - Make a copy of the template.html file (I can do that) and
    - give it a new name, eg. Template_BHP_140904.html (I can do that)
    - Open the html file just created in Frontpage for users to modify the
  document (That's where I'm stuck....)

    My problem is a total lack of knowledge of files vs. webs and therefore
  the syntax I need. Questions: -

    - Do I have to have a 'web' or 'web folder' - can't I just have an html
  file and open it?

    - If I can, what is the alternative syntax to .webs.open - eg. I am
  looking for a .pages.open property or .files.open ?

    Here's my code so far - when I run it I get an error  - There is no web
  named "/E:/SDS/Clients/CPP/WebLetters/Template.html"



  --------------------------------------------------------------------------
--
  ----

    Private Sub CmdOpenFP_Click()

    Dim oFPweb As FrontPage.Web
    Dim oFP As FrontPage.Application
    Dim FrontPageRunning As Boolean

    'Determine whether FrontPage is alredy open or not
    FrontPageRunning = IsFrontPageRunning()

    If Not FrontPageRunning Then
        MsgBox ("Frontpage is Closed")
        Set oFP = CreateObject("Frontpage.Application")
    Else
        MsgBox ("Frontpage is already open")
        Set oFP = GetObject(, "Frontpage.Application")
    End If

    'add code here later to make a copy of my file

    'open file in front page------------------------------------------------
    oFP.Webs.Open ("E:\Sds\Clients\CPP\Webletters\template.html")
  'STUCK HERE

     ' Show FrontPage
     oFPweb.Activate
     'Set oFP = Nothing

    End Sub


  --------------------------------------------------------------------------
--
  ----

    TIA


    Kath Pelletti
    Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd.
    Ph: 9505-6714
    Fax: 9505-6430
    KP at SDSOnline.net
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From fhtapia at gmail.com  Tue Sep 14 22:41:42 2004
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 20:41:42 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Firefox Shameless plug...
Message-ID: <b874372a040914204147c11f51@mail.gmail.com>

Version 1.0 is out (PR preview release) to say the least it is
awesome... if you subscribe to RSS feeds for anything, you'll probably
take to what they are calling LIVE bookmarks... they ARE sweet.
-- 
-Francisco


From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Tue Sep 14 23:44:23 2004
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 21:44:23 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Problem with code to change field data type in vba
References: <BAY22-F34y9vGz1JeKi00076e93@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <4147C8A7.90202@shaw.ca>

You are missing  a statement Set tbl = dbs.TableDefs("Table1")   however 
this method wont work.

For Access 97 with DAO
 '*****************************************************************
      ' The AlterFieldType Sub procedure requires three string
      ' parameters. The first string specifies the name of the table
      ' containing the field to be changed. The second string specifies
      ' the name of the field to be changed. The third string specifies
      ' the new data type for the field.
      '*****************************************************************

      Sub AlterFieldType (TblName As String, FieldName As String, _
         NewDataType As String)
         Dim db As Database
         Dim qdf As QueryDef
         Set db = CurrentDb()

         ' Create a dummy QueryDef object.
         Set qdf = db.CreateQueryDef("", "Select * from PROD1")

         ' Add a temporary field to the table.
         qdf.SQL = "ALTER TABLE [" & TblName & "] ADD COLUMN_
            AlterTempField " & NewDataType
         qdf.Execute

         ' Copy the data from old field into the new field.
         qdf.SQL = "UPDATE DISTINCTROW [" & TblName & "] SET_
            AlterTempField = [" & FieldName & "]"
         qdf.Execute

         ' Delete the old field.
         qdf.SQL = "ALTER TABLE [" & TblName & "] DROP COLUMN ["_
            & FieldName & "]"
         qdf.Execute

         ' Rename the temporary field to the old field's name.
         db.tabledefs("[" & TblName & "]").Fields("AlterTempField")._
            Name = FieldName
         ' Clean up.
      End Sub
       
For ADO with 2000 , you could also do this with ADO and 97 by setting an 
ADO reference
 and by setting the connection string directly like so

Set cnn = New ADODB.Connection
cnn.Open "Provider=Microsoft.Jet.OLEDB.4.0;" & _
           "Data Source=c:\somepath\myDb.mdb;" & _
           "User Id=admin;" & _
           "Password="

Sub sChangeDataType()
    Dim cnn As ADODB.Connection
    Dim strSQL As String
    Set cnn = CurrentProject.Connection
 ' however this sql string  might work in Access 97 if using Jet 4.0 
rather than 3.51
'by selecting a reference to DAO 3.6 rather than DAO 3.51
    strSQL = "ALTER TABLE [Employees] ALTER COLUMN Extension int"
    cnn.Execute strSQL
end sub
 
See also
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;210304
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;128016

Paul Black wrote:

> Hi
>
> I using Access 97 and can not get the following to work:
>
> Private Sub Command0_Click()
> Dim fld As Field
> Dim dbs As Database
> Dim tbl As TableDef
>
> Set dbs = CurrentDb()
> For Each fld In tbl.Fields
>    If Left$(tbl.Name, 2) = "t_" And fld <> "t_proj" And fld <> "t_pt" 
> And fld <> "t_plink" And fld <> "ptlink" And fld <> "t_species" Then
>        fld.Type = dbInteger
>    End If
> Next fld
>
> Beep
> MsgBox "Done"
> End Sub
>
> It is supposed to change the field data type to integer from text. All 
> field names to change begin with 't_       
> 'excludingcertainfieldslistedabove.I
> keep getting an error:
>
> Runtime error '91'
> Object Variable or With Block variable not set
>
> Other than the excluded fields above all the data conatined in the 
> fields is numeric or has a Null value... but it is in a text field. 
> The data is coming to me off of a Pocket PC and it won't let me change 
> the field type to numeric.
>
> Please help me solve this.
>
> Thanks
>
> PB
>
> _________________________________________________________________
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Canada





From KP at sdsonline.net  Wed Sep 15 00:03:53 2004
From: KP at sdsonline.net (Kath Pelletti)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 15:03:53 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Urgent help please - Can't open html
	pageinFrontpagefromAccess form
References: <FJEJLIPOMCGJALMGLLLIEEMECGAA.accessd@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <001701c49ae1$661c0d10$6501a8c0@user>

Hi Jim - thanks for your comment - these particular users really don't understand (or accept) that the doc. will look different once displayed in the browser, eg. if they have created it in Word and then it is converted by Microsoft to html....and I understand where they are coming from.

They have accepted that to create it as a web page they need to do so in Frontpage and then they can see how it will look once it goes live. My problem (and I can't believe that I'm still stuck on this) is providing a link for all staff in the office to be able to open the documents they create, edit them and save them. 

It is essential that it happen from the database because I am storing a history of documents (just path/s and filename/s) they create and they have complex selection criteria for nominating which clients eventually *see* the doc on the website. Given that it is so easy to create / and link to a doc in Word or Excel from an Access form I thought it would be pretty straightforward to do something like this in Frontpage. I'm still sure that it is.....just not there yet.

Kath
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Jim Lawrence (AccessD) 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
  Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 1:03 PM
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] Urgent help please - Can't open html pageinFrontpagefromAccess form


  Hi Kath:

  If the file is in html format and saved with the html extension. I.e.
  test.html, then any station with an active browser will display it. Even if
  the file is originally a document file it can be saved as an html file and
  Microsoft will do the conversion for you...sometime it is not very pretty
  but it is simple. All that has to be done for each station to view/run it is
  that the html 'document' has to be stored in a common shared directory.

  HTH
  Jim

  -----Original Message-----
  From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
  [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti
  Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 4:12 PM
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Urgent help please - Can't open html
  pageinFrontpagefrom Access form


  I don't have VB Drew.......

  Kath
    ----- Original Message -----
    From: DWUTKA at marlow.com
    To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
    Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 12:01 AM
    Subject: RE: [AccessD] Urgent help please - Can't open html page
  inFrontpagefrom Access form


    If you have VB, you can just 'preview' it for them in a simple VB browser.

    Drew

    -----Original Message-----
    From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
    [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti
    Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 6:47 AM
    To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
    Subject: Re: [AccessD] Urgent help please - Can't open html page
    inFrontpagefrom Access form


    Thanks Eric - I am finding this so confusing.

    Yes - I have IIS running here - so my file must be in a folder from
    C:\Inetpub\wwwroot?  I need to allow the database users to share a common
    file - can it find a web in a network location?

    To go back to the basic requirements - what I am trying to do is allow
  users
    to click on a button in the databse which will open a document which will
  be
    published to the web. I want them to be able to create and edit that
    document by following a link from an access form, because the letter that
    the users 'create' will be linked to recipients from my database.

    They could theoretically do it in Word or Notepad (or even within Access),
    but I want them to see how it will preview on the web before they finalise
    it, so formatting is done. I don't want to have to worry about whether
  they
    are running IIS or create web folders or whatever - just open and edit a
    simple html file in Frontpage so they can see how it would publish. Am I
    going about this the wrong way?

    TIA!
    Kath

      ----- Original Message -----
      From: Eric Barro
      To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
      Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 11:31 AM
      Subject: RE: [AccessD] Urgent help please - Can't open html page
    inFrontpagefrom Access form


      Kath,

      FP webs expect to open these web folders in reference to the web root
    folder in IIS.

      For example:

      You have IIS (web server) running on the machine and you have a web
  called
    MYWEB. IIS sees this as http://localhost/MYWEB. The physical location
    (assuming the web root is C:\INETPUB\WWWROOT) is
  C:\INETPUB\WWWROOT\MYWEB\.
    So...if MYWEB is in a different folder...say
    C:\INETPUB\WWWROOT\ANOTHERFOLDER\MYWEB\  FP won't be able to recognize
  that
    as a web location.

      ---
      Eric Barro
      Senior Systems Analyst
      Advanced Field Services
      (208) 772-7060
      http://www.afsweb.com

      -----Original Message-----
      From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
      [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti
      Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 6:13 PM
      To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
      Subject: [AccessD] Urgent help please - Can't open html page in
      Frontpagefrom Access form


      I have wasted ages on this so am now begging assistance........

      I have an html file (empty at present - later it will have some basic
    text)

      I need to my code to
      - Make a copy of the template.html file (I can do that) and
      - give it a new name, eg. Template_BHP_140904.html (I can do that)
      - Open the html file just created in Frontpage for users to modify the
    document (That's where I'm stuck....)

      My problem is a total lack of knowledge of files vs. webs and therefore
    the syntax I need. Questions: -

      - Do I have to have a 'web' or 'web folder' - can't I just have an html
    file and open it?

      - If I can, what is the alternative syntax to .webs.open - eg. I am
    looking for a .pages.open property or .files.open ?

      Here's my code so far - when I run it I get an error  - There is no web
    named "/E:/SDS/Clients/CPP/WebLetters/Template.html"



    --------------------------------------------------------------------------
  --
    ----

      Private Sub CmdOpenFP_Click()

      Dim oFPweb As FrontPage.Web
      Dim oFP As FrontPage.Application
      Dim FrontPageRunning As Boolean

      'Determine whether FrontPage is alredy open or not
      FrontPageRunning = IsFrontPageRunning()

      If Not FrontPageRunning Then
          MsgBox ("Frontpage is Closed")
          Set oFP = CreateObject("Frontpage.Application")
      Else
          MsgBox ("Frontpage is already open")
          Set oFP = GetObject(, "Frontpage.Application")
      End If

      'add code here later to make a copy of my file

      'open file in front page------------------------------------------------
      oFP.Webs.Open ("E:\Sds\Clients\CPP\Webletters\template.html")
    'STUCK HERE

       ' Show FrontPage
       oFPweb.Activate
       'Set oFP = Nothing

      End Sub


    --------------------------------------------------------------------------
  --
    ----

      TIA


      Kath Pelletti
      Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd.
      Ph: 9505-6714
      Fax: 9505-6430
      KP at SDSOnline.net
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Wed Sep 15 02:05:37 2004
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 17:05:37 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Urgent help please - Can't open
	html	pageinFrontpagefromAccess form
In-Reply-To: <001701c49ae1$661c0d10$6501a8c0@user>
Message-ID: <41487661.9605.155D4C@lexacorp.com.pg>

On 15 Sep 2004 at 15:03, Kath Pelletti wrote:

> It is essential that it happen from the database because I am storing a
> history of documents (just path/s and filename/s) they create and they
> have complex selection criteria for nominating which clients eventually
> *see* the doc on the website. Given that it is so easy to create / and
> link to a doc in Word or Excel from an Access form I thought it would be
> pretty straightforward to do something like this in Frontpage. I'm still
> sure that it is.....just not there yet. 
> 

Since Frontpage is not the default application for .htm pages, the simplest 
way is to use SHELL(). Something like

Function OpenWithFrontPage(HTMLFile As String) As Long
Dim strCmd As String
Dim strFrontPagePath As String
strFrontPagePath = "C:\Program files\Frontpage\Frontpage.exe"

strCmd = Chr$(34) & strFrontPagePath & Chr$(34) & " " & Chr$(34) & HTMLFile & Chr$(34)
Shell strCmd, vbNormalFocus

End Function
-- 
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From d.dick at uws.edu.au  Wed Sep 15 06:06:06 2004
From: d.dick at uws.edu.au (Darren DICK)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 21:06:06 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Time diff calcs
In-Reply-To: <027201c49a91$be215f10$6501a8c0@rock>
Message-ID: <001a01c49b14$00de33f0$4a619a89@DDICK>

Hi Arthur
Many thanks for the tip and I agree. Store the seconds format when needed.
In the relevant table should the data type be Integer?

Have a great day

Darren



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Wednesday, 15 September 2004 5:34 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K: Time diff calcs


IMHO you should always store time differences in seconds rather than any
higher denomination, then leave the formatting of same to the front end.
That way, IMO, your back-end data is always correct (and easily calculated),
and you can postpone the formatting until the front end is right, confident
that your data in the back-end is correct.

Just my $.02.

Arthur

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darren DICK
Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 8:25 AM
To: AccessD List
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Time diff calcs


Hello all
I want to calculate then insert into a table the duration of a users logon
in HOURS and MINUTES In the logon table the default value for the logon
field is Now() and is captured at...You guessed at logon. I then run a query
that updates the Logoff field to Now() once the user answers YES to loggin
off. The theory being there will be a difference even if it is only 5 or 10
seconds. Unless some clown plays with the clock after loggin on --- but
forget all that :-))

Both logon and logoff fields data types in the Logon Table are General Date
(01/01/2004 15:45:25PM)

So a user logs on at say...14/09/2004 10:08:45 PM and then logs off at
say...14/09/2004 10:10:55 PM

The time logged on = 2 mins and 10 secs but how do I calculate that?

I have udsed DateDiff but with no success...
DateDiff("Short Time",[LogonTimeAndDate],Now())
DateDiff("mm",[LogonTimeAndDate],Now())
DateDiff("nn",[LogonTimeAndDate],Now()) etc etc

Many thanks in advance

Darren


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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Wed Sep 15 07:12:32 2004
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 22:12:32 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Time diff calcs
In-Reply-To: <001a01c49b14$00de33f0$4a619a89@DDICK>
References: <027201c49a91$be215f10$6501a8c0@rock>
Message-ID: <4148BE50.9564.12E5B13@lexacorp.com.pg>

On 15 Sep 2004 at 21:06, Darren DICK wrote:

> Hi Arthur
> Many thanks for the tip and I agree. Store the seconds format when needed.
> In the relevant table should the data type be Integer?
> 

if you need more than 32767 seconds (a bit over 9 hours) you will need to 
use a long.
If you  don't need that much, it is debatable.  Integers take half the 
storage of longs, but take a bit longer to process if you are manipulating 
them. Depends on whether you want to save on storage or optimise processing 
time. 

However don't save them as singles or doubles.


-- 
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Sep 15 07:29:37 2004
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 14:29:37 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Time diff calcs
In-Reply-To: <4148BE50.9564.12E5B13@lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <027201c49a91$be215f10$6501a8c0@rock>
	<4148BE50.9564.12E5B13@lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <14521344621.20040915142937@cactus.dk>

Hi Darren and Stuart

Except for very excessive processing, processing time will be
negligible compared to the time for reading and, indeed, writing the
data.
However, should heavy processing be needed, process the values in Long
variables even if they are stored as Integer.

For short intervals, four minutes or less, the seconds could even be
stored as Byte.

/gustav


> On 15 Sep 2004 at 21:06, Darren DICK wrote:

>> Hi Arthur
>> Many thanks for the tip and I agree. Store the seconds format when needed.
>> In the relevant table should the data type be Integer?

> if you need more than 32767 seconds (a bit over 9 hours) you will need to 
> use a long.
> If you  don't need that much, it is debatable.  Integers take half the 
> storage of longs, but take a bit longer to process if you are manipulating 
> them. Depends on whether you want to save on storage or optimise processing 
> time. 

> However don't save them as singles or doubles.

> -- 
> Stuart



From carlo at xsit.nl  Wed Sep 15 07:59:10 2004
From: carlo at xsit.nl (Carlo van der Zon (Access IT Training))
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 14:59:10 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] ADP
Message-ID: <844F188BB505654DBCF15C4B24106C1008DC7B@headcon.headit.nl>

Hi Group,

Does anybody know how to choose de SQL database in a ADP Runtime?

Thanks
Carlo



From subs1847 at solution-providers.ie  Wed Sep 15 08:22:04 2004
From: subs1847 at solution-providers.ie (Mark L. Breen)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 14:22:04 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Gmail Invite (D)
References: <003901c494ba$474923a0$de1118ac@D8TZHN0J><413E0DDB.26661.10EF57B7@lexacorp.com.pg>
	<b874372a040907060249eb1dbc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <006b01c49b29$f803a790$0101a8c0@D8TZHN0J>

Thanks Stuart and Francisco,

Of course, having asked the question, it seems now that the whole world is
talking about gmail,

sorry about that,

Mark


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Francisco Tapia" <fhtapia at gmail.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 2:02 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Gmail Invite (D)


> Thanks,
>   Gmail takes a new approach to email.  Not only do you get 1gb of
> storage, but you get much more, organization is easier and following
> threads in any mailing list is a breeze!  I really do dig it, so much
> that I've moved many of my current mailing subscriptions to it.
>
>
> On Tue, 07 Sep 2004 19:36:59 +1000, Stuart McLachlan
> <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg> wrote:
> > On 7 Sep 2004 at 10:08, Mark L. Breen wrote:
> >
> > > Hello Francisco,
> > >
> > > I have to ask, what is gmail?  Sorry if this is obvious
> > >
> >
> > See
> > https://gmail.google.com/?dest=http%3A%2F%2Fgmail.google.com%2Fgmail
> >
> > Then read
> >
> > http://gmail-is-too-creepy.com/
> >
> > --
> > Stuart
> >
> >
> >
> >
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From fhtapia at gmail.com  Wed Sep 15 10:28:12 2004
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (fhtapia at gmail.com)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 08:28:12 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Objects....
Message-ID: <b874372a04091508282c258b05@mail.gmail.com>

So I have a label class that has a function to turn the mouse icon to
a hand so users know it's a clickable item. I'd like to duplicate a
MouseOver event, so for that I'm going to place a hidden box under the
labels so when the mouse wanders off, I can change the color off
again...

I'd like to wrap the box into a class, but I'm having difficulty
envisioning how I'd call all the label class objects to change back to
the default color.


help tips and hints appreciated... doc, url links are appreciated even more :D 

btw, new version of firefox is out for those that don't know... this
is version 1.0 very very nice :)
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From fhtapia at gmail.com  Wed Sep 15 10:30:07 2004
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (fhtapia at gmail.com)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 08:30:07 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] ADP
In-Reply-To: <844F188BB505654DBCF15C4B24106C1008DC7B@headcon.headit.nl>
References: <844F188BB505654DBCF15C4B24106C1008DC7B@headcon.headit.nl>
Message-ID: <b874372a0409150830706a90f0@mail.gmail.com>

File |Connection, then select the full connection settings


On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 14:59:10 +0200, Carlo van der Zon (Access IT
Training) <carlo at xsit.nl> wrote:
> Hi Group,
> 
> Does anybody know how to choose de SQL database in a ADP Runtime?
> 
> Thanks
> Carlo
> 
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Sep 15 10:39:53 2004
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 17:39:53 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Objects....
In-Reply-To: <b874372a04091508282c258b05@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b874372a04091508282c258b05@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3632760777.20040915173953@cactus.dk>

Hi fhtapia alias Francisco

Not quite sure what you are trying to accomplish ...
Nevertheless, sounds like a perfect job for WithEvents!

I believe JC has a white paper on our own web site.

/gustav


> So I have a label class that has a function to turn the mouse icon to
> a hand so users know it's a clickable item. I'd like to duplicate a
> MouseOver event, so for that I'm going to place a hidden box under the
> labels so when the mouse wanders off, I can change the color off
> again...

> I'd like to wrap the box into a class, but I'm having difficulty
> envisioning how I'd call all the label class objects to change back to
> the default color.


> help tips and hints appreciated... doc, url links are appreciated even more :D 



From lytlenj at yahoo.com  Wed Sep 15 11:02:31 2004
From: lytlenj at yahoo.com (Nancy Lytle)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 09:02:31 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Unbound subform
Message-ID: <20040915160231.80676.qmail@web53906.mail.yahoo.com>

I have a form that contains a subform.  I would like
this subform to be unbound and not visible until a
button is clicked on the main form. I cannot get the
subform bound properly.  I get the "The expression you
entered refers to an object that is closed or doesn't
exist" error.
I had it at one time and lost it.
Any ideas?
TIA
Nancy


The name of the subform control is sbffrmReceiving
The name of the subform is frmReceiving
I put the name of the subform control it the control's
tag property.

This is the code I am using:
Private sub cmdOpenRec_Click():

Me.sbffrmReceiving.Visible = True
Me.sbffrmReceiving.SetFocus

If Len(Me.sbffrmReceiving.Form.SourceObject) = 0 Then

Me.sbffrmReceiving.Form.SourceObject =
Me.sbffrmReceiving.Form.Tag
               
Me.sbffrmReceiving.Form.LinkChildFields =
Forms!Me.sbffrmReceiving.Form.LinkChildFields
               
Me.sbffrmReceiving.Form.LinkMasterFields =
Me.sbffrmReceiving.Form.LinkMasterFields
 End If




From cyx5 at cdc.gov  Wed Sep 15 11:24:34 2004
From: cyx5 at cdc.gov (Nicholson, Karen)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 12:24:34 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Unbound subform
Message-ID: <A5B5AA20555F594BA7B6BD2048E49E438406C8@m-niosh-5.niosh.cdc.gov>

When the main form opens, set the subform.visible=false
When the button is clicked on the main form, then fire the
subform.visible=true

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Nancy Lytle
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 12:03 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Unbound subform


I have a form that contains a subform.  I would like
this subform to be unbound and not visible until a
button is clicked on the main form. I cannot get the
subform bound properly.  I get the "The expression you
entered refers to an object that is closed or doesn't
exist" error.
I had it at one time and lost it.
Any ideas?
TIA
Nancy


The name of the subform control is sbffrmReceiving
The name of the subform is frmReceiving
I put the name of the subform control it the control's
tag property.

This is the code I am using:
Private sub cmdOpenRec_Click():

Me.sbffrmReceiving.Visible = True
Me.sbffrmReceiving.SetFocus

If Len(Me.sbffrmReceiving.Form.SourceObject) = 0 Then

Me.sbffrmReceiving.Form.SourceObject =
Me.sbffrmReceiving.Form.Tag
               
Me.sbffrmReceiving.Form.LinkChildFields =
Forms!Me.sbffrmReceiving.Form.LinkChildFields
               
Me.sbffrmReceiving.Form.LinkMasterFields =
Me.sbffrmReceiving.Form.LinkMasterFields
 End If


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From fhtapia at gmail.com  Wed Sep 15 12:05:19 2004
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 10:05:19 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Objects....
In-Reply-To: <3632760777.20040915173953@cactus.dk>
References: <b874372a04091508282c258b05@mail.gmail.com>
	<3632760777.20040915173953@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <b874372a04091510055d140c91@mail.gmail.com>

thanks for the reminder.. btw, I've fixed the outgoing name :D

On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 17:39:53 +0200, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
> Hi fhtapia alias Francisco
> 
> Not quite sure what you are trying to accomplish ...
> Nevertheless, sounds like a perfect job for WithEvents!
> 
> I believe JC has a white paper on our own web site.
> 
> /gustav
> 
> 
> > So I have a label class that has a function to turn the mouse icon to
> > a hand so users know it's a clickable item. I'd like to duplicate a
> > MouseOver event, so for that I'm going to place a hidden box under the
> > labels so when the mouse wanders off, I can change the color off
> > again...
> 
> > I'd like to wrap the box into a class, but I'm having difficulty
> > envisioning how I'd call all the label class objects to change back to
> > the default color.
> 
> > help tips and hints appreciated... doc, url links are appreciated even more :D
> 
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From KIsmert at TexasSystems.com  Wed Sep 15 12:36:49 2004
From: KIsmert at TexasSystems.com (Ken Ismert)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 12:36:49 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Objects....
In-Reply-To: <b874372a04091508282c258b05@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <00e801c49b4a$956b5120$2a3ca8c0@TEXASSYSTEMS.COM>


Francisco,

General approach:

In an Access form, I have found no simple way to determine when the mouse
has moved off of a control. The idea then, is to trap MouseMove events for
all controls and sections. When a control that you don't want to animate
receives a MouseMove, it must tell all controls that you are animating to
turn off their backcolor.

A few quick thoughts:

 * No need for the hidden box - just use the label's own BackColor property

 * You will need perhaps three objects:
   1. MouseOn object - sinks MouseMove event for Labels, TextBoxes, etc. Has
two functions. First, when it receives a MouseMove event, it changes the
control's BackColor 'on' if it is 'off', and notifies the MouseManager to
turn 'off' all other controls. Second, turns 'off' its backcolor when
requested by MouseManager.
   2. MouseOff object - sinks MouseMove events for Sections, Labels,
TextBoxes, etc. Includes all controls on the form that you don't want to
animate. Has one function: when it receives a MouseMove event, it notifies
the MouseManager to turn 'off' all other controls
   3. MouseManager object - maintains two collections: a MouseOn object
collection, and a MouseOff object collection. Has methods for adding a
MouseOn and a MouseOff object to each collection. Has a method which loops
through all MouseOn objects, telling them to turn their backcolors off,
except for the active one, if any. It also has a Destruct method which sets
both collections to nothing.

 * When loading, the form then must create the MouseManager object, and tell
it to add all controls to either the MouseOn or MouseOff collections. When
unloading, the form must destroy the MouseManager object.

Finally, you may end up disappointed with the quality of the animation you
get after all this effort. It is possible to move the mouse fast enough that
none of the controls get a MouseMove event, leaving one of the controls
highlighted, even though your cursor is off the form.

-Ken

-----Original Message-----
From: fhtapia at gmail.com [mailto:fhtapia at gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 10:28 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Objects....


So I have a label class that has a function to turn the mouse icon to
a hand so users know it's a clickable item. I'd like to duplicate a
MouseOver event, so for that I'm going to place a hidden box under the
labels so when the mouse wanders off, I can change the color off
again...

I'd like to wrap the box into a class, but I'm having difficulty
envisioning how I'd call all the label class objects to change back to
the default color.


help tips and hints appreciated... doc, url links are appreciated even more
:D

btw, new version of firefox is out for those that don't know... this
is version 1.0 very very nice :)
--
-Francisco
"Rediscover the web"
http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/
ttp://spreadfirefox.com/community/?q=affiliates&amp;id=792&amp;t=86




From fhtapia at gmail.com  Wed Sep 15 12:52:20 2004
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 10:52:20 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Objects....
In-Reply-To: <00e801c49b4a$956b5120$2a3ca8c0@TEXASSYSTEMS.COM>
References: <b874372a04091508282c258b05@mail.gmail.com>
	<00e801c49b4a$956b5120$2a3ca8c0@TEXASSYSTEMS.COM>
Message-ID: <b874372a0409151052620d1c1f@mail.gmail.com>

thanks for the tips Ken, I will test out a couple of these ideas


On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 12:36:49 -0500, Ken Ismert <kismert at texassystems.com> wrote:
> 
> Francisco,
> 
> General approach:
> 
> In an Access form, I have found no simple way to determine when the mouse
> has moved off of a control. The idea then, is to trap MouseMove events for
> all controls and sections. When a control that you don't want to animate
> receives a MouseMove, it must tell all controls that you are animating to
> turn off their backcolor.
> 
> A few quick thoughts:
> 
>  * No need for the hidden box - just use the label's own BackColor property
> 
>  * You will need perhaps three objects:
>    1. MouseOn object - sinks MouseMove event for Labels, TextBoxes, etc. Has
> two functions. First, when it receives a MouseMove event, it changes the
> control's BackColor 'on' if it is 'off', and notifies the MouseManager to
> turn 'off' all other controls. Second, turns 'off' its backcolor when
> requested by MouseManager.
>    2. MouseOff object - sinks MouseMove events for Sections, Labels,
> TextBoxes, etc. Includes all controls on the form that you don't want to
> animate. Has one function: when it receives a MouseMove event, it notifies
> the MouseManager to turn 'off' all other controls
>    3. MouseManager object - maintains two collections: a MouseOn object
> collection, and a MouseOff object collection. Has methods for adding a
> MouseOn and a MouseOff object to each collection. Has a method which loops
> through all MouseOn objects, telling them to turn their backcolors off,
> except for the active one, if any. It also has a Destruct method which sets
> both collections to nothing.
> 
>  * When loading, the form then must create the MouseManager object, and tell
> it to add all controls to either the MouseOn or MouseOff collections. When
> unloading, the form must destroy the MouseManager object.
> 
> Finally, you may end up disappointed with the quality of the animation you
> get after all this effort. It is possible to move the mouse fast enough that
> none of the controls get a MouseMove event, leaving one of the controls
> highlighted, even though your cursor is off the form.
> 
> -Ken
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fhtapia at gmail.com [mailto:fhtapia at gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 10:28 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Objects....
> 
> So I have a label class that has a function to turn the mouse icon to
> a hand so users know it's a clickable item. I'd like to duplicate a
> MouseOver event, so for that I'm going to place a hidden box under the
> labels so when the mouse wanders off, I can change the color off
> again...
> 
> I'd like to wrap the box into a class, but I'm having difficulty
> envisioning how I'd call all the label class objects to change back to
> the default color.
> 
> help tips and hints appreciated... doc, url links are appreciated even more
> :D
> 
> btw, new version of firefox is out for those that don't know... this
> is version 1.0 very very nice :)
> --
> -Francisco
> "Rediscover the web"
> http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/
> ttp://spreadfirefox.com/community/?q=affiliates&amp;id=792&amp;t=86
> 
> 
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From fhtapia at gmail.com  Wed Sep 15 12:55:35 2004
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 10:55:35 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Unbound subform
In-Reply-To: <A5B5AA20555F594BA7B6BD2048E49E438406C8@m-niosh-5.niosh.cdc.gov>
References: <A5B5AA20555F594BA7B6BD2048E49E438406C8@m-niosh-5.niosh.cdc.gov>
Message-ID: <b874372a040915105520cf4f6@mail.gmail.com>

you can also set the sourceobject = "" and when the control is
clicked, you can set the sourceobject = "frm_yoursubformName"




On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 12:24:34 -0400, Nicholson, Karen <cyx5 at cdc.gov> wrote:
> When the main form opens, set the subform.visible=false
> When the button is clicked on the main form, then fire the
> subform.visible=true
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Nancy Lytle
> Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 12:03 PM
> To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Unbound subform
> 
> I have a form that contains a subform.  I would like
> this subform to be unbound and not visible until a
> button is clicked on the main form. I cannot get the
> subform bound properly.  I get the "The expression you
> entered refers to an object that is closed or doesn't
> exist" error.
> I had it at one time and lost it.
> Any ideas?
> TIA
> Nancy
> 
> The name of the subform control is sbffrmReceiving
> The name of the subform is frmReceiving
> I put the name of the subform control it the control's
> tag property.
> 
> This is the code I am using:
> Private sub cmdOpenRec_Click():
> 
> Me.sbffrmReceiving.Visible = True
> Me.sbffrmReceiving.SetFocus
> 
> If Len(Me.sbffrmReceiving.Form.SourceObject) = 0 Then
> 
> Me.sbffrmReceiving.Form.SourceObject =
> Me.sbffrmReceiving.Form.Tag
> 
> Me.sbffrmReceiving.Form.LinkChildFields =
> Forms!Me.sbffrmReceiving.Form.LinkChildFields
> 
> Me.sbffrmReceiving.Form.LinkMasterFields =
> Me.sbffrmReceiving.Form.LinkMasterFields
>  End If
> 
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From serbach at new.rr.com  Wed Sep 15 14:08:48 2004
From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 14:08:48 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Gmail Invite (D)
In-Reply-To: <b874372a040907060249eb1dbc@mail.gmail.com>
References: <003901c494ba$474923a0$de1118ac@D8TZHN0J>
	<413E0DDB.26661.10EF57B7@lexacorp.com.pg>
	<b874372a040907060249eb1dbc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20040915140848.2051417651.serbach@new.rr.com>

Francisco,

I see that Gmail is in beta. There, apparently, is no sign-up at the moment, so your "invite" was the only way to sign up as of now. Interesting. Might be a good address for giving out on web pages and such rather than my bona fide address.

I purchased Bloomba back in October. It's forte is searching, too. I've been pretty happy with it except for the fact that I can't figure out how to request a Read Receipt. It's full text indexing is very fast.

Steve Erbach
Neenah, WI




From fhtapia at gmail.com  Wed Sep 15 15:13:56 2004
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 13:13:56 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Gmail Invite (D)
In-Reply-To: <20040915140848.2051417651.serbach@new.rr.com>
References: <003901c494ba$474923a0$de1118ac@D8TZHN0J>
	<413E0DDB.26661.10EF57B7@lexacorp.com.pg>
	<b874372a040907060249eb1dbc@mail.gmail.com>
	<20040915140848.2051417651.serbach@new.rr.com>
Message-ID: <b874372a0409151313796b0e13@mail.gmail.com>

I've never used Bloomba.  I find myself liking Gmail a little more
everyday, now especially more because I'm getting used to the keyboard
shortcuts :), and on managing filters... I do have one that is my
IGNORE thread filter.. you just choose your topic in the subject line
such as

("Gmail Invite (D)" OR "Bound vs Unbound") and then select it to
auto-trash these messages, and viola, you'll never see those messages
hit your inbox again... so far it's worked flawlessly... :)

btw,... for those who are using IE, the new JPEG exploit is a real
baddy as it can be used to grab uids and pwds from your IE cache and
transmit them to the world :(


On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 14:08:48 -0500, Steven W. Erbach <serbach at new.rr.com> wrote:
> Francisco,
> 
> I see that Gmail is in beta. There, apparently, is no sign-up at the moment, so your "invite" was the only way to sign up as of now. Interesting. Might be a good address for giving out on web pages and such rather than my bona fide address.
> 
> I purchased Bloomba back in October. It's forte is searching, too. I've been pretty happy with it except for the fact that I can't figure out how to request a Read Receipt. It's full text indexing is very fast.
> 
> Steve Erbach
> Neenah, WI
> 
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From serbach at new.rr.com  Wed Sep 15 16:07:01 2004
From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 16:07:01 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Firefox Shameless plug...
In-Reply-To: <b874372a040914204147c11f51@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b874372a040914204147c11f51@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20040915160701.729623265.serbach@new.rr.com>

Francisco,

I've downloaded an earlier release of Firefox and now this one. I've got an HTML file on my C: drive that I use for my home page. I've posted it to:

http://www.swerbach.com/serbach/erbach.htm

Look at it with FireFox and then with Internet Explorer. Firefox, at least on my system, makes the table way too spaced out, to coin a phrase.

Steve Erbach
Neenah, WI




From Jeff at OUTBAKTech.com  Wed Sep 15 16:48:03 2004
From: Jeff at OUTBAKTech.com (Jeff Barrows)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 16:48:03 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Gmail Invite (D)
Message-ID: <8DA8776D2F418E46A2A464AC6CE630509349@outbaksrv1.outbaktech.com>

Are you looking for a GMail invite?

Jeff Barrows
MCP, MCAD, MCSD
 
Outbak Technologies, LLC
Racine, WI
jeff at outbaktech.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Steven W. Erbach [mailto:serbach at new.rr.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 2:09 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Gmail Invite (D)

Francisco,

I see that Gmail is in beta. There, apparently, is no sign-up at the
moment, so your "invite" was the only way to sign up as of now.
Interesting. Might be a good address for giving out on web pages and
such rather than my bona fide address.

I purchased Bloomba back in October. It's forte is searching, too. I've
been pretty happy with it except for the fact that I can't figure out
how to request a Read Receipt. It's full text indexing is very fast.

Steve Erbach
Neenah, WI


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From Developer at UltraDNT.com  Wed Sep 15 17:55:19 2004
From: Developer at UltraDNT.com (Steve Conklin (Developer@UltraDNT))
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 18:55:19 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] External IP Address of Local Machine
In-Reply-To: <20040915160701.729623265.serbach@new.rr.com>
Message-ID: <000401c49b77$13546cd0$0200a8c0@COA3>

I am using WDSI, WinInet and various API's to get 2 Access applications
to send data to each other over FTP.  It is working well, but I want the
server to be secure, that is to only allow logins/files to come from
specific IP's. This is ok when I am sending, because I know my IP, and I
tell the client to allow my IP.  When I (hopefully) sell a copy to the
client's client, how can they easily determine their IP?  
I have looked at the Winsock API and can get remote IP's via Host Name.
However, when I want to get the IP of the local PC, it returns the
192.168.x.x address; how can I get the external IP that the FTP server
needs to know through VB/API?

TIA,
Steve



From KP at sdsonline.net  Wed Sep 15 18:11:15 2004
From: KP at sdsonline.net (Kath Pelletti)
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 09:11:15 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Urgent help please - Can't
	openhtml	pageinFrontpagefromAccess form
References: <41487661.9605.155D4C@lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <007801c49b79$4d395e90$6501a8c0@user>

Thanks Stuart - good to hear from you. I try to avoid the Shell but it looks like the way to go, doesn't it? Thanks for the reminder. I guess the downside is having to hardcode the location of that frontpg.exe file - ......

I might store the 'default' location of the frontpg.exe in a table, but prompt the user with a browse dialog to find it if it's in a different location. Not perfect, but OK??

Kath

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Stuart McLachlan 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problemsolving 
  Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 5:05 PM
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Urgent help please - Can't openhtml pageinFrontpagefromAccess form


  On 15 Sep 2004 at 15:03, Kath Pelletti wrote:

  > It is essential that it happen from the database because I am storing a
  > history of documents (just path/s and filename/s) they create and they
  > have complex selection criteria for nominating which clients eventually
  > *see* the doc on the website. Given that it is so easy to create / and
  > link to a doc in Word or Excel from an Access form I thought it would be
  > pretty straightforward to do something like this in Frontpage. I'm still
  > sure that it is.....just not there yet. 
  > 

  Since Frontpage is not the default application for .htm pages, the simplest 
  way is to use SHELL(). Something like

  Function OpenWithFrontPage(HTMLFile As String) As Long
  Dim strCmd As String
  Dim strFrontPagePath As String
  strFrontPagePath = "C:\Program files\Frontpage\Frontpage.exe"

  strCmd = Chr$(34) & strFrontPagePath & Chr$(34) & " " & Chr$(34) & HTMLFile & Chr$(34)
  Shell strCmd, vbNormalFocus

  End Function
  -- 
  Stuart


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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Wed Sep 15 18:16:02 2004
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 09:16:02 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Firefox Shameless plug...
In-Reply-To: <20040915160701.729623265.serbach@new.rr.com>
References: <b874372a040914204147c11f51@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <414959D2.17317.38DC686@lexacorp.com.pg>

On 15 Sep 2004 at 16:07, Steven W. Erbach wrote:

> Francisco,
> 
> I've downloaded an earlier release of Firefox and now this one. I've got an HTML file on my C: drive that I use for my home page. I've posted it to:
> 
> http://www.swerbach.com/serbach/erbach.htm
> 
> Look at it with FireFox and then with Internet Explorer. Firefox, at least on my system, makes the table way too spaced out, to coin a phrase.
> 

No, IE doesn't space it out enough.  :-)

You have a <p> </p> around the text in every table cell.  That *should* ( 
and does in the case of Firefox) force a lead  before and after the text.   
IE is just ignoring these tags for some reason.

What did you use to build this page?   A MS product by any chance?



-- 
Stuart




From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Wed Sep 15 18:47:48 2004
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 09:47:48 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] External IP Address of Local Machine
In-Reply-To: <000401c49b77$13546cd0$0200a8c0@COA3>
References: <20040915160701.729623265.serbach@new.rr.com>
Message-ID: <41496144.8393.3AADD5D@lexacorp.com.pg>

On 15 Sep 2004 at 18:55, Steve Conklin (Developer at UltraDNT) wrote:

> I am using WDSI, WinInet and various API's to get 2 Access applications
> to send data to each other over FTP.  It is working well, but I want the
> server to be secure, that is to only allow logins/files to come from
> specific IP's. This is ok when I am sending, because I know my IP, and I
> tell the client to allow my IP.  When I (hopefully) sell a copy to the
> client's client, how can they easily determine their IP?  
> I have looked at the Winsock API and can get remote IP's via Host Name.
> However, when I want to get the IP of the local PC, it returns the
> 192.168.x.x address; how can I get the external IP that the FTP server
> needs to know through VB/API?
> 

If you are working through a router, you can't since only the router knows 
the external address..   The only way would be to bounce an HTML request of 
an external website and read the return data. There a numbder of freeware 
tools available on the web that do just that. See 
http://www.snapfiles.com/freeware/network/fwip.html for examples


If you're machine is directly connected to the Internet, you can iterate 
through it's IP adddresses.

Here's a module to do it (watch for linewrap)

Option Compare Database
Option Explicit

Const MAX_IP = 5   'To make a buffer... i dont think you have more than 5 ip on your pc..

Type IPINFO
     dwAddr As Long   ' IP address
    dwIndex As Long '  interface index
    dwMask As Long ' subnet mask
    dwBCastAddr As Long ' broadcast address
    dwReasmSize  As Long ' assembly size
    unused1 As Integer ' not currently used
    unused2 As Integer '; not currently used
End Type

Type MIB_IPADDRTABLE
    dEntrys As Long   'number of entries in the table
    mIPInfo(MAX_IP) As IPINFO  'array of IP address entries
End Type

Type IP_Array
    mBuffer As MIB_IPADDRTABLE
    BufferLen As Long
End Type

Public Declare Sub CopyMemory Lib "kernel32" Alias "RtlMoveMemory" (Destination As Any, Source As Any, ByVal Length As Long)
Public Declare Function GetIpAddrTable Lib "IPHlpApi" (pIPAdrTable As Byte, pdwSize As Long, ByVal Sort As Long) As Long


Public Function ConvertAddressToString(longAddr As Long) As String
    Dim myByte(3) As Byte
    Dim Cnt As Long
    CopyMemory myByte(0), longAddr, 4
    For Cnt = 0 To 3
        ConvertAddressToString = ConvertAddressToString + CStr(myByte(Cnt)) + "."
    Next Cnt
    ConvertAddressToString = Left$(ConvertAddressToString, Len(ConvertAddressToString) - 1)
End Function

Public Function IPAddresses() As Long
Dim lngRetVal As Long
Dim lngLoop As Long
Dim bBytes() As Byte
Dim IPList As MIB_IPADDRTABLE

    GetIpAddrTable ByVal 0&, lngRetVal, True

    If lngRetVal <= 0 Then Exit Function
    ReDim bBytes(0 To lngRetVal - 1) As Byte
    'retrieve the data
    GetIpAddrTable bBytes(0), lngRetVal, False
      
    'Get the first 4 bytes to get the entry's.. ip installed
    CopyMemory IPList.dEntrys, bBytes(0), 4

    For lngLoop = 0 To IPList.dEntrys - 1
        'Copy whole structure to Listing..
        CopyMemory IPList.mIPInfo(lngLoop), bBytes(4 + (lngLoop * Len(IPList.mIPInfo(0)))), Len(IPList.mIPInfo(lngLoop))
         Debug.Print "IP address                   : " & ConvertAddressToString(IPList.mIPInfo(lngLoop).dwAddr)
         Debug.Print "IP Subnetmask            : " & ConvertAddressToString(IPList.mIPInfo(lngLoop).dwMask)
         Debug.Print "BroadCast IP address  : " & ConvertAddressToString(IPList.mIPInfo(lngLoop).dwBCastAddr)
         Debug.Print "**************************************"
    Next

End Function


-- 
Stuart




From serbach at new.rr.com  Wed Sep 15 22:21:15 2004
From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 22:21:15 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Firefox Shameless plug...
In-Reply-To: <414959D2.17317.38DC686@lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <b874372a040914204147c11f51@mail.gmail.com>
	<414959D2.17317.38DC686@lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <20040915222115.113940477.serbach@new.rr.com>

Stuart,

>> What did you use to build this page?   A MS product by any chance? <<

I must confess that I stole the table design from John Dvorak's web site. I haven't changed the table data cell layout for ages. I should review it to bring it into XHTML 1.0 compliance.

Steve Erbach
Neenah, WI




From serbach at new.rr.com  Wed Sep 15 22:22:15 2004
From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 22:22:15 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Gmail Invite (D)
In-Reply-To: <8DA8776D2F418E46A2A464AC6CE630509349@outbaksrv1.outbaktech.com>
References: <8DA8776D2F418E46A2A464AC6CE630509349@outbaksrv1.outbaktech.com>
Message-ID: <20040915222215.1995836797.serbach@new.rr.com>

Jeff,

>> Are you looking for a GMail invite? <<

Well, sure, if ya got one one 'a dem dere tings, eh?

Steve Erbach
Neenah, WI




From Jeff at OUTBAKTech.com  Wed Sep 15 23:25:10 2004
From: Jeff at OUTBAKTech.com (Jeff Barrows)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 23:25:10 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Gmail Invite (D)
Message-ID: <8DA8776D2F418E46A2A464AC6CE63050934A@outbaksrv1.outbaktech.com>

On its way!   Anyone else?

Jeff Barrows
MCP, MCAD, MCSD
 
Outbak Technologies, LLC
Racine, WI
jeff at outbaktech.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Steven W. Erbach [mailto:serbach at new.rr.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 10:22 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Gmail Invite (D)

Jeff,

>> Are you looking for a GMail invite? <<

Well, sure, if ya got one one 'a dem dere tings, eh?

Steve Erbach
Neenah, WI


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From fhtapia at gmail.com  Thu Sep 16 01:02:58 2004
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 23:02:58 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Firefox Shameless plug...
In-Reply-To: <20040915222115.113940477.serbach@new.rr.com>
References: <b874372a040914204147c11f51@mail.gmail.com>
	<414959D2.17317.38DC686@lexacorp.com.pg>
	<20040915222115.113940477.serbach@new.rr.com>
Message-ID: <b874372a04091523027c095615@mail.gmail.com>

<grin> glad I could help out ;o)


On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 22:21:15 -0500, Steven W. Erbach <serbach at new.rr.com> wrote:
> Stuart,
> 
> >> What did you use to build this page?   A MS product by any chance? <<
> 
> I must confess that I stole the table design from John Dvorak's web site. I haven't changed the table data cell layout for ages. I should review it to bring it into XHTML 1.0 compliance.
> 
> Steve Erbach
> Neenah, WI
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --
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> 



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From markamatte at hotmail.com  Wed Sep 15 08:19:55 2004
From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 13:19:55 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Time diff calcs
Message-ID: <BAY1-F34YBeHCErAWhJ00000917@hotmail.com>

Maybe I missed something...but if you are already storing a start time...and 
an end time...do you need to store the seconds...can you just calculate the 
min/sec when you need to display or count?

Thanks,

Mark




>From: Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K: Time diff calcs
>Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 14:29:37 +0200
>
>Hi Darren and Stuart
>
>Except for very excessive processing, processing time will be
>negligible compared to the time for reading and, indeed, writing the
>data.
>However, should heavy processing be needed, process the values in Long
>variables even if they are stored as Integer.
>
>For short intervals, four minutes or less, the seconds could even be
>stored as Byte.
>
>/gustav
>
>
> > On 15 Sep 2004 at 21:06, Darren DICK wrote:
>
> >> Hi Arthur
> >> Many thanks for the tip and I agree. Store the seconds format when 
>needed.
> >> In the relevant table should the data type be Integer?
>
> > if you need more than 32767 seconds (a bit over 9 hours) you will need 
>to
> > use a long.
> > If you  don't need that much, it is debatable.  Integers take half the
> > storage of longs, but take a bit longer to process if you are 
>manipulating
> > them. Depends on whether you want to save on storage or optimise 
>processing
> > time.
>
> > However don't save them as singles or doubles.
>
> > --
> > Stuart
>
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From awithing at twcny.rr.com  Thu Sep 16 05:51:10 2004
From: awithing at twcny.rr.com (augusta)
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 06:51:10 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Gmail Invite (D)
In-Reply-To: <8DA8776D2F418E46A2A464AC6CE63050934A@outbaksrv1.outbaktech.com>
Message-ID: <200409161051.i8GApCt3019564@ms-smtp-04.nyroc.rr.com>


>On its way!   Anyone else?

Jeff Barrows
MCP, MCAD, MCSD



Yes if you have got extra!

Thanks
augusta






From Subscriptions at servicexp.com  Thu Sep 16 06:16:31 2004
From: Subscriptions at servicexp.com (Robert Gracie)
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 07:16:31 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Connecting to MySQL across Internet **Anybody???**
In-Reply-To: <GPEGJHKJCEPGJIEIOEOOOEKGEBAA.Subscriptions@servicexp.com>
Message-ID: <GPEGJHKJCEPGJIEIOEOOKELJEBAA.Subscriptions@servicexp.com>

Hello,
 I have a program that may need to connect to a MySQL database across the
internet, on the fly. It's only for a very small portion of the program so
it may or may not be needed to be utilized by many users.

 So basically what is the best (lightest) way to make this connection on the
fly, and only when needed? I think I will be looking at 3-4 tables MAX.


To add,... it's an A2K .mdb

Robert Gracie
www.servicexp.com







From carbonnb at gmail.com  Thu Sep 16 07:15:11 2004
From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 08:15:11 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Test
Message-ID: <e04a6c92040916051514818430@mail.gmail.com>

Please Ignoe. This is just a test

-- 
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com
Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well
preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
shouting "What a great ride!"


From markamatte at hotmail.com  Thu Sep 16 07:55:44 2004
From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte)
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 12:55:44 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Output Larg Text File
Message-ID: <BAY1-F31b9cQy4U7Kx100008cc2@hotmail.com>

Hello All,

In A97 or A2k...I have a large report(>60,000 record and >11,000 Pages)...I 
need to save this as a text/rtf/something...everytime I try...I get an "over 
flow" error...any suggestions?

Thanks,

Mark




From gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Sep 16 08:12:31 2004
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 15:12:31 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Output Larg Text File
In-Reply-To: <BAY1-F31b9cQy4U7Kx100008cc2@hotmail.com>
References: <BAY1-F31b9cQy4U7Kx100008cc2@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <16521239120.20040916151231@cactus.dk>

Hi Mark

If this is a simple report you may wish (need) to write it directly
(no report) from code which is very fast too.

Look up my message from 2004-01-02:

  "Writing raw RTF document using VBA - Solved"

/gustav


> In A97 or A2k...I have a large report(>60,000 record and >11,000 Pages)...I
> need to save this as a text/rtf/something...everytime I try...I get an "over 
> flow" error...any suggestions?



From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Sep 16 08:25:53 2004
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 23:25:53 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Output Larg Text File
In-Reply-To: <BAY1-F31b9cQy4U7Kx100008cc2@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <414A2101.1777.697D330@lexacorp.com.pg>

On 16 Sep 2004 at 12:55, Mark A Matte wrote:

> Hello All,
> 
> In A97 or A2k...I have a large report(>60,000 record and >11,000 Pages)...I 
> need to save this as a text/rtf/something...everytime I try...I get an "over 
> flow" error...any suggestions?
> 

How complex is the report?

In this sort of situation, you are often better opening a text file for 
output, opening the underlying recordset,stepping through the records and 
writing out the rows. Something like:


Dim rs as Recordset
Set rs = CurrentDb.OpenRecordset("myquery")
Open "myFile.txt" for Output as #1
While not rs.eof
   Print #1, rs(0) & "," & rs(1) & "," & rs(2).....
Wend
Close #1

You can do as much formatting as you like for individual rows using various 
string manipulation functions,  and by checking for changes in header 
fields you can throw headers rows as required.

I did the same thing today to replace a "Docmd.OutputTo" to generate a web 
page. Writing the raw HTML directly to a file, gave me much better control 
over the layout of the resulting page and ran about 20 times faster  than 
trying to Output a report to HTML.







-- 
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From Developer at UltraDNT.com  Thu Sep 16 09:16:46 2004
From: Developer at UltraDNT.com (Steve Conklin (Developer@UltraDNT))
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 10:16:46 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] External IP Address of Local Machine
In-Reply-To: <41496144.8393.3AADD5D@lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <001001c49bf7$cce00f80$0200a8c0@COA3>

Thanks, Stuart.  

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart
McLachlan
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 7:48 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problemsolving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] External IP Address of Local Machine


On 15 Sep 2004 at 18:55, Steve Conklin (Developer at UltraDNT) wrote:

> I am using WDSI, WinInet and various API's to get 2 Access 
> applications to send data to each other over FTP.  It is working well,

> but I want the server to be secure, that is to only allow logins/files

> to come from specific IP's. This is ok when I am sending, because I 
> know my IP, and I tell the client to allow my IP.  When I (hopefully) 
> sell a copy to the client's client, how can they easily determine
their IP?
> I have looked at the Winsock API and can get remote IP's via Host
Name.
> However, when I want to get the IP of the local PC, it returns the
> 192.168.x.x address; how can I get the external IP that the FTP server
> needs to know through VB/API?
> 

If you are working through a router, you can't since only the router
knows 
the external address..   The only way would be to bounce an HTML request
of 
an external website and read the return data. There a numbder of
freeware 
tools available on the web that do just that. See 
http://www.snapfiles.com/freeware/network/fwip.html for examples


If you're machine is directly connected to the Internet, you can iterate

through it's IP adddresses.

Here's a module to do it (watch for linewrap)

Option Compare Database
Option Explicit

Const MAX_IP = 5   'To make a buffer... i dont think you have more than
5 ip on your pc..

Type IPINFO
     dwAddr As Long   ' IP address
    dwIndex As Long '  interface index
    dwMask As Long ' subnet mask
    dwBCastAddr As Long ' broadcast address
    dwReasmSize  As Long ' assembly size
    unused1 As Integer ' not currently used
    unused2 As Integer '; not currently used
End Type

Type MIB_IPADDRTABLE
    dEntrys As Long   'number of entries in the table
    mIPInfo(MAX_IP) As IPINFO  'array of IP address entries
End Type

Type IP_Array
    mBuffer As MIB_IPADDRTABLE
    BufferLen As Long
End Type

Public Declare Sub CopyMemory Lib "kernel32" Alias "RtlMoveMemory"
(Destination As Any, Source As Any, ByVal Length As Long) Public Declare
Function GetIpAddrTable Lib "IPHlpApi" (pIPAdrTable As Byte, pdwSize As
Long, ByVal Sort As Long) As Long


Public Function ConvertAddressToString(longAddr As Long) As String
    Dim myByte(3) As Byte
    Dim Cnt As Long
    CopyMemory myByte(0), longAddr, 4
    For Cnt = 0 To 3
        ConvertAddressToString = ConvertAddressToString +
CStr(myByte(Cnt)) + "."
    Next Cnt
    ConvertAddressToString = Left$(ConvertAddressToString,
Len(ConvertAddressToString) - 1) End Function

Public Function IPAddresses() As Long
Dim lngRetVal As Long
Dim lngLoop As Long
Dim bBytes() As Byte
Dim IPList As MIB_IPADDRTABLE

    GetIpAddrTable ByVal 0&, lngRetVal, True

    If lngRetVal <= 0 Then Exit Function
    ReDim bBytes(0 To lngRetVal - 1) As Byte
    'retrieve the data
    GetIpAddrTable bBytes(0), lngRetVal, False
      
    'Get the first 4 bytes to get the entry's.. ip installed
    CopyMemory IPList.dEntrys, bBytes(0), 4

    For lngLoop = 0 To IPList.dEntrys - 1
        'Copy whole structure to Listing..
        CopyMemory IPList.mIPInfo(lngLoop), bBytes(4 + (lngLoop *
Len(IPList.mIPInfo(0)))), Len(IPList.mIPInfo(lngLoop))
         Debug.Print "IP address                   : " &
ConvertAddressToString(IPList.mIPInfo(lngLoop).dwAddr)
         Debug.Print "IP Subnetmask            : " &
ConvertAddressToString(IPList.mIPInfo(lngLoop).dwMask)
         Debug.Print "BroadCast IP address  : " &
ConvertAddressToString(IPList.mIPInfo(lngLoop).dwBCastAddr)
         Debug.Print "**************************************"
    Next

End Function


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From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com  Thu Sep 16 09:39:00 2004
From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark S. (Newport News))
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 10:39:00 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] .TIFF Image of Report Pages
Message-ID: <BA209D7D3A20BE499AB726E4ED7A6DA1FCB731@nprdex02.nns.com>

Group,

Does anyone have any brilliant ideas on how I could automatically generate a
.tiff image for each page in a report?


Background: Our company stores issued drawings in .tiff format.  In the
past, drawings have been scanned in manually in a reproduction department.
Currently, I issue drawings using Access reports.  It has been suggested
that the .tiff creation MAY fall to the engineering department.


Mark


From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Thu Sep 16 09:48:30 2004
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps - IT Helps)
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 16:48:30 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] External IP Address of Local Machine
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF0ADBD7@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

Shields up is a test a webserver test, but just at the startpage (before
the test) you can see your dns name and ip address

https://www.grc.com/x/ne.dll?bh0bkyd2


 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Conklin
(Developer at UltraDNT)
Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 4:17 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] External IP Address of Local Machine

Thanks, Stuart.  

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart
McLachlan
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 7:48 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problemsolving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] External IP Address of Local Machine


On 15 Sep 2004 at 18:55, Steve Conklin (Developer at UltraDNT) wrote:

> I am using WDSI, WinInet and various API's to get 2 Access 
> applications to send data to each other over FTP.  It is working well,

> but I want the server to be secure, that is to only allow logins/files

> to come from specific IP's. This is ok when I am sending, because I 
> know my IP, and I tell the client to allow my IP.  When I (hopefully) 
> sell a copy to the client's client, how can they easily determine
their IP?
> I have looked at the Winsock API and can get remote IP's via Host
Name.
> However, when I want to get the IP of the local PC, it returns the 
> 192.168.x.x address; how can I get the external IP that the FTP server

> needs to know through VB/API?
> 

If you are working through a router, you can't since only the router
knows 
the external address..   The only way would be to bounce an HTML request
of
an external website and read the return data. There a numbder of
freeware tools available on the web that do just that. See
http://www.snapfiles.com/freeware/network/fwip.html for examples


If you're machine is directly connected to the Internet, you can iterate

through it's IP adddresses.

Here's a module to do it (watch for linewrap)

Option Compare Database
Option Explicit

Const MAX_IP = 5   'To make a buffer... i dont think you have more than
5 ip on your pc..

Type IPINFO
     dwAddr As Long   ' IP address
    dwIndex As Long '  interface index
    dwMask As Long ' subnet mask
    dwBCastAddr As Long ' broadcast address
    dwReasmSize  As Long ' assembly size
    unused1 As Integer ' not currently used
    unused2 As Integer '; not currently used End Type

Type MIB_IPADDRTABLE
    dEntrys As Long   'number of entries in the table
    mIPInfo(MAX_IP) As IPINFO  'array of IP address entries End Type

Type IP_Array
    mBuffer As MIB_IPADDRTABLE
    BufferLen As Long
End Type

Public Declare Sub CopyMemory Lib "kernel32" Alias "RtlMoveMemory"
(Destination As Any, Source As Any, ByVal Length As Long) Public Declare
Function GetIpAddrTable Lib "IPHlpApi" (pIPAdrTable As Byte, pdwSize As
Long, ByVal Sort As Long) As Long


Public Function ConvertAddressToString(longAddr As Long) As String
    Dim myByte(3) As Byte
    Dim Cnt As Long
    CopyMemory myByte(0), longAddr, 4
    For Cnt = 0 To 3
        ConvertAddressToString = ConvertAddressToString +
CStr(myByte(Cnt)) + "."
    Next Cnt
    ConvertAddressToString = Left$(ConvertAddressToString,
Len(ConvertAddressToString) - 1) End Function

Public Function IPAddresses() As Long
Dim lngRetVal As Long
Dim lngLoop As Long
Dim bBytes() As Byte
Dim IPList As MIB_IPADDRTABLE

    GetIpAddrTable ByVal 0&, lngRetVal, True

    If lngRetVal <= 0 Then Exit Function
    ReDim bBytes(0 To lngRetVal - 1) As Byte
    'retrieve the data
    GetIpAddrTable bBytes(0), lngRetVal, False
      
    'Get the first 4 bytes to get the entry's.. ip installed
    CopyMemory IPList.dEntrys, bBytes(0), 4

    For lngLoop = 0 To IPList.dEntrys - 1
        'Copy whole structure to Listing..
        CopyMemory IPList.mIPInfo(lngLoop), bBytes(4 + (lngLoop *
Len(IPList.mIPInfo(0)))), Len(IPList.mIPInfo(lngLoop))
         Debug.Print "IP address                   : " &
ConvertAddressToString(IPList.mIPInfo(lngLoop).dwAddr)
         Debug.Print "IP Subnetmask            : " &
ConvertAddressToString(IPList.mIPInfo(lngLoop).dwMask)
         Debug.Print "BroadCast IP address  : " &
ConvertAddressToString(IPList.mIPInfo(lngLoop).dwBCastAddr)
         Debug.Print "**************************************"
    Next

End Function


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From carlo at xsit.nl  Thu Sep 16 10:12:53 2004
From: carlo at xsit.nl (Carlo van der Zon (Access IT Training))
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 17:12:53 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] ADP
Message-ID: <844F188BB505654DBCF15C4B24106C100F9AEE@headcon.headit.nl>

Ok, but this is not working in runtime.  


-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Namens fhtapia at gmail.com
Verzonden: woensdag 15 september 2004 17:30
Aan: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Onderwerp: Re: [AccessD] ADP

File |Connection, then select the full connection settings


On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 14:59:10 +0200, Carlo van der Zon (Access IT
Training) <carlo at xsit.nl> wrote:
> Hi Group,
> 
> Does anybody know how to choose de SQL database in a ADP Runtime?
> 
> Thanks
> Carlo
> 
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From Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org  Thu Sep 16 10:13:13 2004
From: Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 11:13:13 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] .TIFF Image of Report Pages
Message-ID: <08F823FD83787D4BA0B99CA580AD3C74089BD1@TTNEXCHCL2.hshhp.com>

If you can store the report as a pdf there are conversions available to get you to TIFF (I think Acrobat 6 saves as TIFF).

HTH,

Jim DeMarco

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Mitsules, Mark
S. (Newport News)
Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 10:39 AM
To: [AccessD]
Subject: [AccessD] .TIFF Image of Report Pages


Group,

Does anyone have any brilliant ideas on how I could automatically generate a
.tiff image for each page in a report?


Background: Our company stores issued drawings in .tiff format.  In the
past, drawings have been scanned in manually in a reproduction department.
Currently, I issue drawings using Access reports.  It has been suggested
that the .tiff creation MAY fall to the engineering department.


Mark
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Sep 16 10:36:18 2004
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 17:36:18 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] .TIFF Image of Report Pages
In-Reply-To: <BA209D7D3A20BE499AB726E4ED7A6DA1FCB731@nprdex02.nns.com>
References: <BA209D7D3A20BE499AB726E4ED7A6DA1FCB731@nprdex02.nns.com>
Message-ID: <6329865764.20040916173618@cactus.dk>

Hi Mark

The "Print To Picture" printer driver:

  http://progrex.narod.ru/ptp.html

can output to PCX, BMP, or PNG files.
Then you can convert to TIFF.

/gustav


> Does anyone have any brilliant ideas on how I could automatically generate a
> .tiff image for each page in a report?

> Background: Our company stores issued drawings in .tiff format.  In the
> past, drawings have been scanned in manually in a reproduction department.
> Currently, I issue drawings using Access reports.  It has been suggested
> that the .tiff creation MAY fall to the engineering department.



From Developer at UltraDNT.com  Thu Sep 16 11:13:01 2004
From: Developer at UltraDNT.com (Steve Conklin (Developer@UltraDNT))
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 12:13:01 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Connecting to MySQL across Internet **Anybody???**
In-Reply-To: <GPEGJHKJCEPGJIEIOEOOKELJEBAA.Subscriptions@servicexp.com>
Message-ID: <000301c49c08$0a004dc0$0200a8c0@COA3>

Ok, I'll take a shot, but this is a strict AFAIK, maybe someone else
knows better ...

Assuming your Access application is running completely on the client PC
(that's why you asked this list), that is, no ASP/IIS going on; then the
only way, and its not light, would be MySQL ODBC installed on the
client, then you can instantiate an ADO connection only when needed.

This is an area where a Web Service could come into play; that would be
lighter than ODBC, but much heavier on your development time (web server
development to expose the service, application development to request
the service, etc, etc)

Hth
Steve




-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Robert Gracie
Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 7:17 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Connecting to MySQL across Internet
**Anybody???**


Hello,
 I have a program that may need to connect to a MySQL database across
the internet, on the fly. It's only for a very small portion of the
program so it may or may not be needed to be utilized by many users.

 So basically what is the best (lightest) way to make this connection on
the fly, and only when needed? I think I will be looking at 3-4 tables
MAX.


To add,... it's an A2K .mdb

Robert Gracie
www.servicexp.com





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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Thu Sep 16 12:12:38 2004
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 10:12:38 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Connecting to MySQL across Internet **Anybody???**
References: <GPEGJHKJCEPGJIEIOEOOKELJEBAA.Subscriptions@servicexp.com>
Message-ID: <4149C986.1020103@shaw.ca>

Roughly it would look like this
check for correct options or if driver name has changed for MYODBC and 
or using OLEDB version
from
http://dev.mysql.com/tech-resources/articles/vb-blob-handling.html

'CREATE CONNECTION OBJECT AND ASSIGN CONNECTION STRING
Dim conn As ADODB.Connection
Set conn = New ADODB.Connection

conn.ConnectionString = "DRIVER={MySQL ODBC 3.51 Driver};" _
& "SERVER=127.0.0.1;" _
& "DATABASE=test;" _
& "UID=testuser;" _
& "PWD=12345;" _
& "OPTION=" & 1 + 2 + 8 + 32 + 2048 + 16384

conn.CursorLocation = adUseClient
conn.Open


'OPEN RECORDSET FOR WRITING
Dim rs As ADODB.Recordset
Set rs = New ADODB.Recordset

rs.Open "SELECT * FROM TableName", conn, adOpenStatic, adLockOptimistic
-------------------
a program to test an app using MySQL. It uses ADO 2.5
on a MySQL server version 3.23.47.
Note - if the MySQL database is off-site (available through the internet),
default port 3306 must be open on the server/firewall.


Sub TestMySQL()
On Error Resume Next
Dim cn As New ADODB.Connection
Dim sql As String

'Set Connection String
cn.ConnectionString = "driver={MySQL ODBC 3.51 
Driver};server=xx.xxx.xxx.x;Port=xxxx;uid=user;pwd=passwrd;database=Phonebook"
cn.Open

'Add records to table
sql = "INSERT INTO Phonelist (ID, FName, LName, PhoneNum) VALUES" _
& "('" & txtID & "','" & txtFName & "','" & txtLName & "','" & txtPhone 
& "')"

cn.Execute sql

cn.Close

End Sub
---------------------------------------------------
Here are some sample or freebie programs that can test your remote 
connection to MySQL

Toad for MySQL ? Preview Release
http://www.quest.com/ToadMySQL/index.asp

MyAccess MySQL type of EM for MySQL as an Access Addin
http://www.hiden.org/myaccess/

How to import Excel, Access or XML data into MySQL database by using a 
MySQL Client Tool ? Navicat?
http://www.stardeveloper.com/articles/display.html?article=2003101901&page=1



Robert Gracie wrote:

>Hello,
> I have a program that may need to connect to a MySQL database across the
>internet, on the fly. It's only for a very small portion of the program so
>it may or may not be needed to be utilized by many users.
>
> So basically what is the best (lightest) way to make this connection on the
>fly, and only when needed? I think I will be looking at 3-4 tables MAX.
>
>
>To add,... it's an A2K .mdb
>
>Robert Gracie
>www.servicexp.com
>
>
>
>
>
>  
>

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Canada





From BBarabash at TappeConstruction.com  Thu Sep 16 12:43:40 2004
From: BBarabash at TappeConstruction.com (Brett Barabash)
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 12:43:40 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] .TIFF Image of Report Pages
Message-ID: <100F91B31300334B89EC531C9DCB0865065950@tccexch01.tappeconstruction.net>

Mark,
Try this product: Zan Image Printer
http://www.zan1011.com/index.htm 

It allows you to output to TIFF, JPG or BMP file, and you can setup file
location defaults so it will automatically save the files to a specified
location.

(At $29, I think I might pick up a copy for myself)


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mitsules,
Mark S. (Newport News)
Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 9:39 AM
To: [AccessD]
Subject: [AccessD] .TIFF Image of Report Pages


Group,

Does anyone have any brilliant ideas on how I could automatically
generate a .tiff image for each page in a report?


Background: Our company stores issued drawings in .tiff format.  In the
past, drawings have been scanned in manually in a reproduction
department.
Currently, I issue drawings using Access reports.  It has been suggested
that the .tiff creation MAY fall to the engineering department.


Mark
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From fhtapia at gmail.com  Thu Sep 16 12:54:34 2004
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 10:54:34 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] ADP
In-Reply-To: <844F188BB505654DBCF15C4B24106C100F9AEE@headcon.headit.nl>
References: <844F188BB505654DBCF15C4B24106C100F9AEE@headcon.headit.nl>
Message-ID: <b874372a040916105411d871d1@mail.gmail.com>

oh, in that case you want to do this via code. 
For your database make sure to add the REFRENCE to "Microsoft OLE DB
Service Component 1.0 Type Library" from a code module, then use the
following in either an ON click of a button.

    Dim dl As MSDASC.DataLinks
    Dim cn As ADODB.Connection
    Dim rs As ADODB.Recordset
    


    Set dl = New MSDASC.DataLinks
    Set cn = New ADODB.Connection
    Set rs = New ADODB.Recordset

    Set cn = dl.PromptNew
    currentproject.connection.connectionstring = Trim(cn.ConnectionString)



On Thu, 16 Sep 2004 17:12:53 +0200, Carlo van der Zon (Access IT
Training) <carlo at xsit.nl> wrote:
> Ok, but this is not working in runtime.
> 
> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
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> Verzonden: woensdag 15 september 2004 17:30
> Aan: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Onderwerp: Re: [AccessD] ADP
> 
> File |Connection, then select the full connection settings
> 
> On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 14:59:10 +0200, Carlo van der Zon (Access IT
> Training) <carlo at xsit.nl> wrote:
> > Hi Group,
> >
> > Does anybody know how to choose de SQL database in a ADP Runtime?
> >
> > Thanks
> > Carlo
> >
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From JHewson at karta.com  Thu Sep 16 12:55:52 2004
From: JHewson at karta.com (Jim Hewson)
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 12:55:52 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] .TIFF Image of Report Pages
Message-ID: <9C382E065F54AE48BC3AA7925DCBB01C0103E331@karta-exc-int.Karta.com>

I have Adobe Acrobat 5 and it allows one to save pdf's as TIFF, JPEG, EPS, PNG, and PS.
Each page of the PDF becomes another file. 
Jim Hewson


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim DeMarco
Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 10:13 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] .TIFF Image of Report Pages


If you can store the report as a pdf there are conversions available to get you to TIFF (I think Acrobat 6 saves as TIFF).

HTH,

Jim DeMarco

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Mitsules, Mark
S. (Newport News)
Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 10:39 AM
To: [AccessD]
Subject: [AccessD] .TIFF Image of Report Pages


Group,

Does anyone have any brilliant ideas on how I could automatically generate a
.tiff image for each page in a report?


Background: Our company stores issued drawings in .tiff format.  In the
past, drawings have been scanned in manually in a reproduction department.
Currently, I issue drawings using Access reports.  It has been suggested
that the .tiff creation MAY fall to the engineering department.


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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Thu Sep 16 12:53:53 2004
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 10:53:53 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] External IP Address of Local Machine
References: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF0ADBD7@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
Message-ID: <4149D331.5060703@shaw.ca>

I am just curious as to what this WMI code would return working  through 
a router
I get something like this without one. I have garbled numbers.

DHCPEnabled: True
DHCPLeaseExpires: 13/09/2004 5:42:44 AM
DHCPLeaseObtained: 09/11/2004 5:42:50 AM
DHCPServer: 64.58.156.40
DNSDomain: gv.homecable.net
DNSHostName: MyComputer
DomainDNSRegistrationEnabled:
IPAddress: 24.344.56.566
IPAddresslen: 13
IPConnectionMetric: 30
IPEnabled: True
MACAddress: 00:3B:27:43:6A:D1
MTU:


Sub testnicconfigS()
'set reference to WMI for WinXP and 2000
'The Win32_NetworkAdapterConfiguration WMI class represents
'the attributes and behaviors of a network adapter.
'This class has been extended to include extra properties and methods 'that
support the management of the TCP/IP and Internetworking Packet Exchange
(IPX) 'protocols (and are independent of the network adapter).
Dim strComputer As String
Dim objWMIService As Object
Dim colitems As Object
Dim objitem As Object
On Error Resume Next 'there maybe multiple Nic entries that are empty so
skip them

strComputer = "." 'default "." specifies local machine name Set
objWMIService = GetObject("winmgmts:\\" & strComputer & "\root\cimv2") Set
colitems = objWMIService.ExecQuery("Select * from
Win32_NetworkAdapterConfiguration", , 48)

For Each objitem In colitems

    Debug.Print "DHCPEnabled: " & objitem.DHCPEnabled
    Debug.Print "DHCPLeaseExpires: " & WMIDateStringToDate
(objitem.DHCPLeaseExpires)
    Debug.Print "DHCPLeaseObtained: " & WMIDateStringToDate
(objitem.DHCPLeaseObtained)
    Debug.Print "DHCPServer: " & objitem.DHCPServer
    Debug.Print "DNSDomain: " & objitem.DNSDomain

    Debug.Print "DNSHostName: " & objitem.DNSHostName

    Debug.Print "DomainDNSRegistrationEnabled: " &
objitem.DomainDNSRegistrationEnabled

    Debug.Print "IPAddress: " & objitem.IPAddress(0)
       'this is an array like other undocumented entries
       'you will have to find by trial and error
       'although there is an isarray property somewhere
       Debug.Print "IPAddresslen: " & Len(objitem.IPAddress(0))
    Debug.Print "IPConnectionMetric: " & objitem.IPConnectionMetric
    Debug.Print "IPEnabled: " & objitem.IPEnabled
    Debug.Print "MACAddress: " & objitem.MACAddress
    Debug.Print "MTU: " & objitem.MTU

Next
End Sub
Function WMIDateStringToDate(dtmInstallDate) As String 'WMI has an odd date
format WMIDateStringToDate = CDate(Mid(dtmInstallDate, 5, 2) & "/" & _
Mid(dtmInstallDate, 7, 2) & "/" & Left(dtmInstallDate, 4) _ & " " &
Mid(dtmInstallDate, 9, 2) & ":" & _ Mid(dtmInstallDate, 11, 2) & ":" &
Mid(dtmInstallDate, _ 13, 2))
End Function


Erwin Craps - IT Helps wrote:

>Shields up is a test a webserver test, but just at the startpage (before
>the test) you can see your dns name and ip address
>
>https://www.grc.com/x/ne.dll?bh0bkyd2
>
>
> 
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Conklin
>(Developer at UltraDNT)
>Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 4:17 PM
>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] External IP Address of Local Machine
>
>Thanks, Stuart.  
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart
>McLachlan
>Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 7:48 PM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problemsolving
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] External IP Address of Local Machine
>
>
>On 15 Sep 2004 at 18:55, Steve Conklin (Developer at UltraDNT) wrote:
>
>  
>
>>I am using WDSI, WinInet and various API's to get 2 Access 
>>applications to send data to each other over FTP.  It is working well,
>>    
>>
>
>  
>
>>but I want the server to be secure, that is to only allow logins/files
>>    
>>
>
>  
>
>>to come from specific IP's. This is ok when I am sending, because I 
>>know my IP, and I tell the client to allow my IP.  When I (hopefully) 
>>sell a copy to the client's client, how can they easily determine
>>    
>>
>their IP?
>  
>
>>I have looked at the Winsock API and can get remote IP's via Host
>>    
>>
>Name.
>  
>
>>However, when I want to get the IP of the local PC, it returns the 
>>192.168.x.x address; how can I get the external IP that the FTP server
>>    
>>
>
>  
>
>>needs to know through VB/API?
>>
>>    
>>
>
>If you are working through a router, you can't since only the router
>knows 
>the external address..   The only way would be to bounce an HTML request
>of
>an external website and read the return data. There a numbder of
>freeware tools available on the web that do just that. See
>http://www.snapfiles.com/freeware/network/fwip.html for examples
>
>
>If you're machine is directly connected to the Internet, you can iterate
>
>through it's IP adddresses.
>
>Here's a module to do it (watch for linewrap)
>
>Option Compare Database
>Option Explicit
>
>Const MAX_IP = 5   'To make a buffer... i dont think you have more than
>5 ip on your pc..
>
>Type IPINFO
>     dwAddr As Long   ' IP address
>    dwIndex As Long '  interface index
>    dwMask As Long ' subnet mask
>    dwBCastAddr As Long ' broadcast address
>    dwReasmSize  As Long ' assembly size
>    unused1 As Integer ' not currently used
>    unused2 As Integer '; not currently used End Type
>
>Type MIB_IPADDRTABLE
>    dEntrys As Long   'number of entries in the table
>    mIPInfo(MAX_IP) As IPINFO  'array of IP address entries End Type
>
>Type IP_Array
>    mBuffer As MIB_IPADDRTABLE
>    BufferLen As Long
>End Type
>
>Public Declare Sub CopyMemory Lib "kernel32" Alias "RtlMoveMemory"
>(Destination As Any, Source As Any, ByVal Length As Long) Public Declare
>Function GetIpAddrTable Lib "IPHlpApi" (pIPAdrTable As Byte, pdwSize As
>Long, ByVal Sort As Long) As Long
>
>
>Public Function ConvertAddressToString(longAddr As Long) As String
>    Dim myByte(3) As Byte
>    Dim Cnt As Long
>    CopyMemory myByte(0), longAddr, 4
>    For Cnt = 0 To 3
>        ConvertAddressToString = ConvertAddressToString +
>CStr(myByte(Cnt)) + "."
>    Next Cnt
>    ConvertAddressToString = Left$(ConvertAddressToString,
>Len(ConvertAddressToString) - 1) End Function
>
>Public Function IPAddresses() As Long
>Dim lngRetVal As Long
>Dim lngLoop As Long
>Dim bBytes() As Byte
>Dim IPList As MIB_IPADDRTABLE
>
>    GetIpAddrTable ByVal 0&, lngRetVal, True
>
>    If lngRetVal <= 0 Then Exit Function
>    ReDim bBytes(0 To lngRetVal - 1) As Byte
>    'retrieve the data
>    GetIpAddrTable bBytes(0), lngRetVal, False
>      
>    'Get the first 4 bytes to get the entry's.. ip installed
>    CopyMemory IPList.dEntrys, bBytes(0), 4
>
>    For lngLoop = 0 To IPList.dEntrys - 1
>        'Copy whole structure to Listing..
>        CopyMemory IPList.mIPInfo(lngLoop), bBytes(4 + (lngLoop *
>Len(IPList.mIPInfo(0)))), Len(IPList.mIPInfo(lngLoop))
>         Debug.Print "IP address                   : " &
>ConvertAddressToString(IPList.mIPInfo(lngLoop).dwAddr)
>         Debug.Print "IP Subnetmask            : " &
>ConvertAddressToString(IPList.mIPInfo(lngLoop).dwMask)
>         Debug.Print "BroadCast IP address  : " &
>ConvertAddressToString(IPList.mIPInfo(lngLoop).dwBCastAddr)
>         Debug.Print "**************************************"
>    Next
>
>End Function
>
>
>--
>Stuart
>
>
>  
>

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From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com  Thu Sep 16 13:40:51 2004
From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark S. (Newport News))
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 14:40:51 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] .TIFF Image of Report Pages
Message-ID: <BA209D7D3A20BE499AB726E4ED7A6DA1FCB735@nprdex02.nns.com>

Before now I hadn't really paid attention to all the .pdf alternatives.
Wasn't there a free .pdf generator...?  Something along the lines of pdf99
or similar?

Mark



-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Hewson [mailto:JHewson at karta.com] 
Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 1:56 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] .TIFF Image of Report Pages


I have Adobe Acrobat 5 and it allows one to save pdf's as TIFF, JPEG, EPS,
PNG, and PS.
Each page of the PDF becomes another file. 
Jim Hewson


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim DeMarco
Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 10:13 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] .TIFF Image of Report Pages


If you can store the report as a pdf there are conversions available to get
you to TIFF (I think Acrobat 6 saves as TIFF).

HTH,

Jim DeMarco

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Mitsules, Mark
S. (Newport News)
Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 10:39 AM
To: [AccessD]
Subject: [AccessD] .TIFF Image of Report Pages


Group,

Does anyone have any brilliant ideas on how I could automatically generate a
.tiff image for each page in a report?


Background: Our company stores issued drawings in .tiff format.  In the
past, drawings have been scanned in manually in a reproduction department.
Currently, I issue drawings using Access reports.  It has been suggested
that the .tiff creation MAY fall to the engineering department.


Mark
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From CMackin at quiznos.com  Thu Sep 16 13:50:13 2004
From: CMackin at quiznos.com (Mackin, Christopher)
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 12:50:13 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] ADP
Message-ID: <EBEA2FA1665EDA40A600D92C87B9B4CE27EEBE@snowmass.quiznos.net>

Alternatively, if you want to give the users the ability to modify the Connection, just use this code:

  DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdConnection

It works in both .adp's and .ade's (At least for Access XP)

-Chris Mackin

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Francisco
Tapia
Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 11:55 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] ADP


oh, in that case you want to do this via code. 
For your database make sure to add the REFRENCE to "Microsoft OLE DB
Service Component 1.0 Type Library" from a code module, then use the
following in either an ON click of a button.

    Dim dl As MSDASC.DataLinks
    Dim cn As ADODB.Connection
    Dim rs As ADODB.Recordset
    


    Set dl = New MSDASC.DataLinks
    Set cn = New ADODB.Connection
    Set rs = New ADODB.Recordset

    Set cn = dl.PromptNew
    currentproject.connection.connectionstring = Trim(cn.ConnectionString)



On Thu, 16 Sep 2004 17:12:53 +0200, Carlo van der Zon (Access IT
Training) <carlo at xsit.nl> wrote:
> Ok, but this is not working in runtime.
> 
> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
> Van: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Namens fhtapia at gmail.com
> Verzonden: woensdag 15 september 2004 17:30
> Aan: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Onderwerp: Re: [AccessD] ADP
> 
> File |Connection, then select the full connection settings
> 
> On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 14:59:10 +0200, Carlo van der Zon (Access IT
> Training) <carlo at xsit.nl> wrote:
> > Hi Group,
> >
> > Does anybody know how to choose de SQL database in a ADP Runtime?
> >
> > Thanks
> > Carlo
> >
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From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com  Thu Sep 16 13:51:22 2004
From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark S. (Newport News))
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 14:51:22 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] .TIFF Image of Report Pages
Message-ID: <BA209D7D3A20BE499AB726E4ED7A6DA1FCB737@nprdex02.nns.com>

Thanks Brett.  This looks like the quickest route.


Mark


-----Original Message-----
From: Brett Barabash [mailto:BBarabash at tappeconstruction.com] 
Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 1:44 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] .TIFF Image of Report Pages


Mark,
Try this product: Zan Image Printer
http://www.zan1011.com/index.htm 

It allows you to output to TIFF, JPG or BMP file, and you can setup file
location defaults so it will automatically save the files to a specified
location.

(At $29, I think I might pick up a copy for myself)


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mitsules,
Mark S. (Newport News)
Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 9:39 AM
To: [AccessD]
Subject: [AccessD] .TIFF Image of Report Pages


Group,

Does anyone have any brilliant ideas on how I could automatically
generate a .tiff image for each page in a report?


Background: Our company stores issued drawings in .tiff format.  In the
past, drawings have been scanned in manually in a reproduction
department.
Currently, I issue drawings using Access reports.  It has been suggested
that the .tiff creation MAY fall to the engineering department.


Mark
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From BBarabash at TappeConstruction.com  Thu Sep 16 14:41:55 2004
From: BBarabash at TappeConstruction.com (Brett Barabash)
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 14:41:55 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] .TIFF Image of Report Pages
Message-ID: <100F91B31300334B89EC531C9DCB0865065951@tccexch01.tappeconstruction.net>

GhostScript is free (but quite involved to setup).  PDF995 is based off
of GhostScript, and charges $9.95 for the reduced headaches.  

Differences between a PDF995 created document and an Adobe Acrobat
document are minimal (Gustav pointed out a few minor differences, should
be in the archives).

I would recommend PDF995 as an almost-free PDF alternative.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mitsules,
Mark S. (Newport News)
Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 1:41 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] .TIFF Image of Report Pages


Before now I hadn't really paid attention to all the .pdf alternatives.
Wasn't there a free .pdf generator...?  Something along the lines of
pdf99 or similar?

Mark



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From: Jim Hewson [mailto:JHewson at karta.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 1:56 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] .TIFF Image of Report Pages


I have Adobe Acrobat 5 and it allows one to save pdf's as TIFF, JPEG,
EPS,
PNG, and PS.
Each page of the PDF becomes another file. 
Jim Hewson


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim DeMarco
Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 10:13 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] .TIFF Image of Report Pages


If you can store the report as a pdf there are conversions available to
get
you to TIFF (I think Acrobat 6 saves as TIFF).

HTH,

Jim DeMarco

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Mitsules, Mark
S. (Newport News)
Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 10:39 AM
To: [AccessD]
Subject: [AccessD] .TIFF Image of Report Pages


Group,

Does anyone have any brilliant ideas on how I could automatically
generate a
.tiff image for each page in a report?


Background: Our company stores issued drawings in .tiff format.  In the
past, drawings have been scanned in manually in a reproduction
department.
Currently, I issue drawings using Access reports.  It has been suggested
that the .tiff creation MAY fall to the engineering department.


Mark
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From Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com  Thu Sep 16 16:14:25 2004
From: Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com (Hale, Jim)
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 16:14:25 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] .TIFF Image of Report Pages
Message-ID: <6A6AA9DF57E4F046BDA1E273BDDB677217FF11@corp-es01.fleetpride.com>

The only significant glitch for me with these non Adobe PDF converters has
been the inability to mix landscape with portrait pages in the same
document.
Jim Hale

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From: Brett Barabash [mailto:BBarabash at tappeconstruction.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 2:42 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] .TIFF Image of Report Pages


GhostScript is free (but quite involved to setup).  PDF995 is based off
of GhostScript, and charges $9.95 for the reduced headaches.  

Differences between a PDF995 created document and an Adobe Acrobat
document are minimal (Gustav pointed out a few minor differences, should
be in the archives).

I would recommend PDF995 as an almost-free PDF alternative.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mitsules,
Mark S. (Newport News)
Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 1:41 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] .TIFF Image of Report Pages


Before now I hadn't really paid attention to all the .pdf alternatives.
Wasn't there a free .pdf generator...?  Something along the lines of
pdf99 or similar?

Mark



-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Hewson [mailto:JHewson at karta.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 1:56 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] .TIFF Image of Report Pages


I have Adobe Acrobat 5 and it allows one to save pdf's as TIFF, JPEG,
EPS,
PNG, and PS.
Each page of the PDF becomes another file. 
Jim Hewson


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim DeMarco
Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 10:13 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] .TIFF Image of Report Pages


If you can store the report as a pdf there are conversions available to
get
you to TIFF (I think Acrobat 6 saves as TIFF).

HTH,

Jim DeMarco

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Mitsules, Mark
S. (Newport News)
Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 10:39 AM
To: [AccessD]
Subject: [AccessD] .TIFF Image of Report Pages


Group,

Does anyone have any brilliant ideas on how I could automatically
generate a
.tiff image for each page in a report?


Background: Our company stores issued drawings in .tiff format.  In the
past, drawings have been scanned in manually in a reproduction
department.
Currently, I issue drawings using Access reports.  It has been suggested
that the .tiff creation MAY fall to the engineering department.


Mark
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From Patricia.O'Connor at dfa.state.ny.us  Thu Sep 16 10:22:58 2004
From: Patricia.O'Connor at dfa.state.ny.us (O'Connor, Patricia (OTDA))
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 11:22:58 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] TEST - ignore
Message-ID: <B94C79B465542042AB0748EAF37F9AC024A860@EXCNYSM0A1AB.nysemail.nyenet>

Just a test to see whether anything I send will get to list. I have
tried to send something to list for several days and it is being delayed
by my email server. 

******************************************************************
*Patricia O'Connor
*Associate Computer Programmer Analyst
*OTDA - BDMA
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*(w) mailto:aa1160 at dfa.state.ny.us
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From Patricia.O'Connor at dfa.state.ny.us  Wed Sep 15 12:44:24 2004
From: Patricia.O'Connor at dfa.state.ny.us (O'Connor, Patricia (OTDA))
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 13:44:24 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Project or Task manager ??
Message-ID: <B94C79B465542042AB0748EAF37F9AC024A85D@EXCNYSM0A1AB.nysemail.nyenet>


Hi all,

This has probably been discussed but I tried the archives and can not
find it. Does anyone have, know of, or have suggestions for an Access
database that does project management - not ms project don't need
something that sophisticated. 

We want to be able to store all the requests that come into our unit,
who requested, status, start date, document links etc.  We would want to
be able to produce reports in various ways; Assignee, requestor, date
completed, referencing data (attachments or hyperlinks). Maybe some sub
tasks but nothing fancy.

All unit member will have to be able to update, print reports, and view.
Not a lot of bells and whistles. Would like to not have to roll our own
if possible. Expensive software is not an option.  

Thanks
Patti

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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Thu Sep 16 16:28:44 2004
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 22:28:44 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] TEST - ignore
In-Reply-To: <B94C79B465542042AB0748EAF37F9AC024A860@EXCNYSM0A1AB.nysemail.nyenet>
Message-ID: <000201c49c34$2558de30$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25>

There is a problem with some posts. Bryan is looking at it. Please be
patient.

-- Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 




From BarbaraRyan at cox.net  Thu Sep 16 16:52:32 2004
From: BarbaraRyan at cox.net (Barbara Ryan)
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 17:52:32 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Copy tables from/to databases other than the Current db
Message-ID: <001401c49c37$7839ba40$0a00a8c0@cx470148a>

Using code in an Access 97 application (let's call it DB1), I need to copy tables from database DB2 to database DB3.  I know how to copy objects from DB1 to DB3 (using Transferdatabase), but this is stumping me.

More info --- DB1 is the front end of the application; DB2 is the back end (tables) of the application, and DB3 is a temporary database that I create "on the fly" (using code in the front end).  I can't copy the tables from DB1 to DB3 because DB1 only contains the links to tables in DB2.

Hope this isn't too confusing!

Thanks,
Barb Ryan

From mgauk at btconnect.com  Wed Sep 15 04:23:13 2004
From: mgauk at btconnect.com (MG)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 10:23:13 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Firefox Shameless plug...
In-Reply-To: <b874372a040914204147c11f51@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200409162209.i8GM9ci30409@databaseadvisors.com>

Does anybody have any code to link Access to Thurderbird mail client?
Thanks
Max Sherman
 

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Francisco Tapia
Sent: 15 September 2004 04:42
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues; Access Developers discussion
and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Firefox Shameless plug...

Version 1.0 is out (PR preview release) to say the least it is awesome... if
you subscribe to RSS feeds for anything, you'll probably take to what they
are calling LIVE bookmarks... they ARE sweet.
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From Developer at UltraDNT.com  Thu Sep 16 18:36:36 2004
From: Developer at UltraDNT.com (Steve Conklin (Developer@UltraDNT))
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 19:36:36 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] External IP Address of Local Machine
In-Reply-To: <4149D331.5060703@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <000001c49c46$023e5620$0200a8c0@COA3>

Marty:
It iterated through about 6 times; most entries were blank, on about the
4th pass I got my DSN information, but it was also only showing the LAN
IP (192.168.x.x), not the WAN address.

I found an external utility form the page Stuart suggested, it looks
like I'll have to Shell that to know the user's external IP.  The
Help/About mentions MFC classes, so its making Windows calls that
*should* be exposed somewhere as an API/DLL, but I haven't figured out
how yet.


Steve


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 1:54 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] External IP Address of Local Machine


I am just curious as to what this WMI code would return working  through

a router
I get something like this without one. I have garbled numbers.

DHCPEnabled: True
DHCPLeaseExpires: 13/09/2004 5:42:44 AM
DHCPLeaseObtained: 09/11/2004 5:42:50 AM
DHCPServer: 64.58.156.40
DNSDomain: gv.homecable.net
DNSHostName: MyComputer
DomainDNSRegistrationEnabled:
IPAddress: 24.344.56.566
IPAddresslen: 13
IPConnectionMetric: 30
IPEnabled: True
MACAddress: 00:3B:27:43:6A:D1
MTU:


Sub testnicconfigS()
'set reference to WMI for WinXP and 2000
'The Win32_NetworkAdapterConfiguration WMI class represents 'the
attributes and behaviors of a network adapter. 'This class has been
extended to include extra properties and methods 'that support the
management of the TCP/IP and Internetworking Packet Exchange
(IPX) 'protocols (and are independent of the network adapter). Dim
strComputer As String Dim objWMIService As Object Dim colitems As Object
Dim objitem As Object On Error Resume Next 'there maybe multiple Nic
entries that are empty so skip them

strComputer = "." 'default "." specifies local machine name Set
objWMIService = GetObject("winmgmts:\\" & strComputer & "\root\cimv2")
Set colitems = objWMIService.ExecQuery("Select * from
Win32_NetworkAdapterConfiguration", , 48)

For Each objitem In colitems

    Debug.Print "DHCPEnabled: " & objitem.DHCPEnabled
    Debug.Print "DHCPLeaseExpires: " & WMIDateStringToDate
(objitem.DHCPLeaseExpires)
    Debug.Print "DHCPLeaseObtained: " & WMIDateStringToDate
(objitem.DHCPLeaseObtained)
    Debug.Print "DHCPServer: " & objitem.DHCPServer
    Debug.Print "DNSDomain: " & objitem.DNSDomain

    Debug.Print "DNSHostName: " & objitem.DNSHostName

    Debug.Print "DomainDNSRegistrationEnabled: " &
objitem.DomainDNSRegistrationEnabled

    Debug.Print "IPAddress: " & objitem.IPAddress(0)
       'this is an array like other undocumented entries
       'you will have to find by trial and error
       'although there is an isarray property somewhere
       Debug.Print "IPAddresslen: " & Len(objitem.IPAddress(0))
    Debug.Print "IPConnectionMetric: " & objitem.IPConnectionMetric
    Debug.Print "IPEnabled: " & objitem.IPEnabled
    Debug.Print "MACAddress: " & objitem.MACAddress
    Debug.Print "MTU: " & objitem.MTU

Next
End Sub
Function WMIDateStringToDate(dtmInstallDate) As String 'WMI has an odd
date format WMIDateStringToDate = CDate(Mid(dtmInstallDate, 5, 2) & "/"
& _ Mid(dtmInstallDate, 7, 2) & "/" & Left(dtmInstallDate, 4) _ & " " &
Mid(dtmInstallDate, 9, 2) & ":" & _ Mid(dtmInstallDate, 11, 2) & ":" &
Mid(dtmInstallDate, _ 13, 2)) End Function


Erwin Craps - IT Helps wrote:

>Shields up is a test a webserver test, but just at the startpage
>(before the test) you can see your dns name and ip address
>
>https://www.grc.com/x/ne.dll?bh0bkyd2
>
>
> 
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve
>Conklin
>(Developer at UltraDNT)
>Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 4:17 PM
>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] External IP Address of Local Machine
>
>Thanks, Stuart.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart
>McLachlan
>Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 7:48 PM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problemsolving
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] External IP Address of Local Machine
>
>
>On 15 Sep 2004 at 18:55, Steve Conklin (Developer at UltraDNT) wrote:
>
>  
>
>>I am using WDSI, WinInet and various API's to get 2 Access 
>>applications to send data to each other over FTP.  It is working well,
>>    
>>
>
>  
>
>>but I want the server to be secure, that is to only allow logins/files
>>    
>>
>
>  
>
>>to come from specific IP's. This is ok when I am sending, because I 
>>know my IP, and I tell the client to allow my IP.  When I (hopefully) 
>>sell a copy to the client's client, how can they easily determine
>>    
>>
>their IP?
>  
>
>>I have looked at the Winsock API and can get remote IP's via Host
>>    
>>
>Name.
>  
>
>>However, when I want to get the IP of the local PC, it returns the 
>>192.168.x.x address; how can I get the external IP that the FTP server
>>    
>>
>
>  
>
>>needs to know through VB/API?
>>
>>    
>>
>
>If you are working through a router, you can't since only the router
>knows
>the external address..   The only way would be to bounce an HTML
request
>of
>an external website and read the return data. There a numbder of 
>freeware tools available on the web that do just that. See 
>http://www.snapfiles.com/freeware/network/fwip.html for examples
>
>
>If you're machine is directly connected to the Internet, you can
>iterate
>
>through it's IP adddresses.
>
>Here's a module to do it (watch for linewrap)
>
>Option Compare Database
>Option Explicit
>
>Const MAX_IP = 5   'To make a buffer... i dont think you have more than
>5 ip on your pc..
>
>Type IPINFO
>     dwAddr As Long   ' IP address
>    dwIndex As Long '  interface index
>    dwMask As Long ' subnet mask
>    dwBCastAddr As Long ' broadcast address
>    dwReasmSize  As Long ' assembly size
>    unused1 As Integer ' not currently used
>    unused2 As Integer '; not currently used End Type
>
>Type MIB_IPADDRTABLE
>    dEntrys As Long   'number of entries in the table
>    mIPInfo(MAX_IP) As IPINFO  'array of IP address entries End Type
>
>Type IP_Array
>    mBuffer As MIB_IPADDRTABLE
>    BufferLen As Long
>End Type
>
>Public Declare Sub CopyMemory Lib "kernel32" Alias "RtlMoveMemory"
>(Destination As Any, Source As Any, ByVal Length As Long) Public 
>Declare Function GetIpAddrTable Lib "IPHlpApi" (pIPAdrTable As Byte, 
>pdwSize As Long, ByVal Sort As Long) As Long
>
>
>Public Function ConvertAddressToString(longAddr As Long) As String
>    Dim myByte(3) As Byte
>    Dim Cnt As Long
>    CopyMemory myByte(0), longAddr, 4
>    For Cnt = 0 To 3
>        ConvertAddressToString = ConvertAddressToString +
>CStr(myByte(Cnt)) + "."
>    Next Cnt
>    ConvertAddressToString = Left$(ConvertAddressToString,
>Len(ConvertAddressToString) - 1) End Function
>
>Public Function IPAddresses() As Long
>Dim lngRetVal As Long
>Dim lngLoop As Long
>Dim bBytes() As Byte
>Dim IPList As MIB_IPADDRTABLE
>
>    GetIpAddrTable ByVal 0&, lngRetVal, True
>
>    If lngRetVal <= 0 Then Exit Function
>    ReDim bBytes(0 To lngRetVal - 1) As Byte
>    'retrieve the data
>    GetIpAddrTable bBytes(0), lngRetVal, False
>      
>    'Get the first 4 bytes to get the entry's.. ip installed
>    CopyMemory IPList.dEntrys, bBytes(0), 4
>
>    For lngLoop = 0 To IPList.dEntrys - 1
>        'Copy whole structure to Listing..
>        CopyMemory IPList.mIPInfo(lngLoop), bBytes(4 + (lngLoop *
>Len(IPList.mIPInfo(0)))), Len(IPList.mIPInfo(lngLoop))
>         Debug.Print "IP address                   : " &
>ConvertAddressToString(IPList.mIPInfo(lngLoop).dwAddr)
>         Debug.Print "IP Subnetmask            : " &
>ConvertAddressToString(IPList.mIPInfo(lngLoop).dwMask)
>         Debug.Print "BroadCast IP address  : " &
>ConvertAddressToString(IPList.mIPInfo(lngLoop).dwBCastAddr)
>         Debug.Print "**************************************"
>    Next
>
>End Function
>
>
>--
>Stuart
>
>
>  
>

-- 
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada



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From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Sep 16 18:40:12 2004
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence (AccessD))
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 16:40:12 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Urgent help please - Can't open
	htmlpageinFrontpagefromAccess form
In-Reply-To: <001701c49ae1$661c0d10$6501a8c0@user>
Message-ID: <FJEJLIPOMCGJALMGLLLIMENFCGAA.accessd@shaw.ca>

Hi Kath:

It is a interest dilemma. One side the users is having difficulty
understanding the changes created to a translated word document and on the
other side accepting the complexity of building a document/web page in
FrontPage.

The resultant FP created documents will have to be stored in directories, on
your server running IIS, below the tree location
\\MyServer\Inetpub\wwwroot\WebDocumentDirectory\.... then they will be able
to be run/displayed from anywhere on LAN. When the web based files are
stored in this location your IIS server manages their display. I.e.
\\MyServer\Inetpub\wwwroot\WebDocumentDirectory\MyNewFPDocument123.html,
would run and display from anywhere accessed on your network. Note: If the
file, being accessed has an extension that is not supported/configured (not
web files like .html, .htm, .php, .pl, .asp, etc... depends on how the IIS
is setup), IIS will attempt to download the file to the station selecting
it.

Hope this is not confusing or over-stated. If it is confusing just ask for
clarification.

HTH
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti
Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 10:04 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Urgent help please - Can't open
htmlpageinFrontpagefromAccess form


Hi Jim - thanks for your comment - these particular users really don't
understand (or accept) that the doc. will look different once displayed in
the browser, eg. if they have created it in Word and then it is converted by
Microsoft to html....and I understand where they are coming from.

They have accepted that to create it as a web page they need to do so in
Frontpage and then they can see how it will look once it goes live. My
problem (and I can't believe that I'm still stuck on this) is providing a
link for all staff in the office to be able to open the documents they
create, edit them and save them.

It is essential that it happen from the database because I am storing a
history of documents (just path/s and filename/s) they create and they have
complex selection criteria for nominating which clients eventually *see* the
doc on the website. Given that it is so easy to create / and link to a doc
in Word or Excel from an Access form I thought it would be pretty
straightforward to do something like this in Frontpage. I'm still sure that
it is.....just not there yet.

Kath
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Jim Lawrence (AccessD)
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
  Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 1:03 PM
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] Urgent help please - Can't open html
pageinFrontpagefromAccess form


  Hi Kath:

  If the file is in html format and saved with the html extension. I.e.
  test.html, then any station with an active browser will display it. Even
if
  the file is originally a document file it can be saved as an html file and
  Microsoft will do the conversion for you...sometime it is not very pretty
  but it is simple. All that has to be done for each station to view/run it
is
  that the html 'document' has to be stored in a common shared directory.

  HTH
  Jim

  -----Original Message-----
  From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
  [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti
  Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 4:12 PM
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Urgent help please - Can't open html
  pageinFrontpagefrom Access form


  I don't have VB Drew.......

  Kath
    ----- Original Message -----
    From: DWUTKA at marlow.com
    To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
    Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 12:01 AM
    Subject: RE: [AccessD] Urgent help please - Can't open html page
  inFrontpagefrom Access form


    If you have VB, you can just 'preview' it for them in a simple VB
browser.

    Drew

    -----Original Message-----
    From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
    [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti
    Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 6:47 AM
    To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
    Subject: Re: [AccessD] Urgent help please - Can't open html page
    inFrontpagefrom Access form


    Thanks Eric - I am finding this so confusing.

    Yes - I have IIS running here - so my file must be in a folder from
    C:\Inetpub\wwwroot?  I need to allow the database users to share a
common
    file - can it find a web in a network location?

    To go back to the basic requirements - what I am trying to do is allow
  users
    to click on a button in the databse which will open a document which
will
  be
    published to the web. I want them to be able to create and edit that
    document by following a link from an access form, because the letter
that
    the users 'create' will be linked to recipients from my database.

    They could theoretically do it in Word or Notepad (or even within
Access),
    but I want them to see how it will preview on the web before they
finalise
    it, so formatting is done. I don't want to have to worry about whether
  they
    are running IIS or create web folders or whatever - just open and edit a
    simple html file in Frontpage so they can see how it would publish. Am I
    going about this the wrong way?

    TIA!
    Kath

      ----- Original Message -----
      From: Eric Barro
      To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
      Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 11:31 AM
      Subject: RE: [AccessD] Urgent help please - Can't open html page
    inFrontpagefrom Access form


      Kath,

      FP webs expect to open these web folders in reference to the web root
    folder in IIS.

      For example:

      You have IIS (web server) running on the machine and you have a web
  called
    MYWEB. IIS sees this as http://localhost/MYWEB. The physical location
    (assuming the web root is C:\INETPUB\WWWROOT) is
  C:\INETPUB\WWWROOT\MYWEB\.
    So...if MYWEB is in a different folder...say
    C:\INETPUB\WWWROOT\ANOTHERFOLDER\MYWEB\  FP won't be able to recognize
  that
    as a web location.

      ---
      Eric Barro
      Senior Systems Analyst
      Advanced Field Services
      (208) 772-7060
      http://www.afsweb.com

      -----Original Message-----
      From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
      [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Kath
Pelletti
      Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 6:13 PM
      To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
      Subject: [AccessD] Urgent help please - Can't open html page in
      Frontpagefrom Access form


      I have wasted ages on this so am now begging assistance........

      I have an html file (empty at present - later it will have some basic
    text)

      I need to my code to
      - Make a copy of the template.html file (I can do that) and
      - give it a new name, eg. Template_BHP_140904.html (I can do that)
      - Open the html file just created in Frontpage for users to modify the
    document (That's where I'm stuck....)

      My problem is a total lack of knowledge of files vs. webs and
therefore
    the syntax I need. Questions: -

      - Do I have to have a 'web' or 'web folder' - can't I just have an
html
    file and open it?

      - If I can, what is the alternative syntax to .webs.open - eg. I am
    looking for a .pages.open property or .files.open ?

      Here's my code so far - when I run it I get an error  - There is no
web
    named "/E:/SDS/Clients/CPP/WebLetters/Template.html"



    ------------------------------------------------------------------------
--
  --
    ----

      Private Sub CmdOpenFP_Click()

      Dim oFPweb As FrontPage.Web
      Dim oFP As FrontPage.Application
      Dim FrontPageRunning As Boolean

      'Determine whether FrontPage is alredy open or not
      FrontPageRunning = IsFrontPageRunning()

      If Not FrontPageRunning Then
          MsgBox ("Frontpage is Closed")
          Set oFP = CreateObject("Frontpage.Application")
      Else
          MsgBox ("Frontpage is already open")
          Set oFP = GetObject(, "Frontpage.Application")
      End If

      'add code here later to make a copy of my file

      'open file in front
page------------------------------------------------
      oFP.Webs.Open ("E:\Sds\Clients\CPP\Webletters\template.html")
    'STUCK HERE

       ' Show FrontPage
       oFPweb.Activate
       'Set oFP = Nothing

      End Sub


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      Ph: 9505-6714
      Fax: 9505-6430
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Sep 16 20:47:08 2004
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 21:47:08 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Output Larg Text File
In-Reply-To: <BAY1-F31b9cQy4U7Kx100008cc2@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <004f01c49c58$42ca8440$e8dafea9@ColbyM6805>

LOL.  Who's going to read an 11 THOUSAND page report?  This must be the
government?  I think you are running into GOD trying to protect her trees.
;-)

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 8:56 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Output Larg Text File


Hello All,

In A97 or A2k...I have a large report(>60,000 record and >11,000 Pages)...I 
need to save this as a text/rtf/something...everytime I try...I get an "over

flow" error...any suggestions?

Thanks,

Mark


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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Fri Sep 17 00:46:03 2004
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 22:46:03 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] External IP Address of Local Machine
References: <000001c49c46$023e5620$0200a8c0@COA3>
Message-ID: <414A7A1B.4030704@shaw.ca>

I tried a couple of other methods

grabbing the ip entries from this created text file ; sort of slow even 
with only 3 hops
tracert -h 3 www.microsoft.com > testtrac.txt
----------------------------------------
If you are configuring your router thru http methods
"http://192.168.0.1/st_devic.html"
is supposed to give you the ip address
but then you have to clear the cache
use this to clear out IE cached pages for DSL router app. 
 
Private Declare Function DeleteUrlCacheEntry Lib "wininet.dll" Alias 
 
"DeleteUrlCacheEntryA" (ByVal lpszUrlName As String) As Long 
 
DeleteUrlCacheEntry "http://192.168.0.1/st_devic.html" 
 
DeleteUrlCacheEntry "http://192.168.0.1/st_stats.html" 
----------------
http://checkip.dyndns.org/
can only use every 10 minutes otherwise site gets annoyed

Dim objExplorer As Object
Dim objDocument As Object
Dim strComputer As String
Dim objWMIService As Object
Dim colLoggedEvents As Object
Dim objEvent As Object
Dim dtmDate As Variant
Dim strReturn As String

Set objExplorer = CreateObject("InternetExplorer.Application")
'Set objDocument = objExplorer.Document
objExplorer.Navigate "about:blank"
objExplorer.Toolbar = 0
objExplorer.StatusBar = 0
objExplorer.Width = 800
objExplorer.Height = 570
objExplorer.Left = 0
objExplorer.Top = 0
objExplorer.Visible = 1

objExplorer.Navigate "http://checkip.dyndns.org/"
Do While (objExplorer.Busy)
Loop
Dim webtx As String
Dim strHTML As String
'Set objDocument = objExplorer.Document
'objDocument.Open

strHTML = objExplorer.Document.BODY.parentElement.outerHTML
 Debug.Print strHTML
'parse the string here

MsgBox "finished"
Set objExplorer = Nothing
Set objDocument = Nothing

End Sub



Steve Conklin (Developer at UltraDNT) wrote:

>Marty:
>It iterated through about 6 times; most entries were blank, on about the
>4th pass I got my DSN information, but it was also only showing the LAN
>IP (192.168.x.x), not the WAN address.
>
>I found an external utility form the page Stuart suggested, it looks
>like I'll have to Shell that to know the user's external IP.  The
>Help/About mentions MFC classes, so its making Windows calls that
>*should* be exposed somewhere as an API/DLL, but I haven't figured out
>how yet.
>
>
>Steve
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
>Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 1:54 PM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] External IP Address of Local Machine
>
>
>I am just curious as to what this WMI code would return working  through
>
>a router
>I get something like this without one. I have garbled numbers.
>
>DHCPEnabled: True
>DHCPLeaseExpires: 13/09/2004 5:42:44 AM
>DHCPLeaseObtained: 09/11/2004 5:42:50 AM
>DHCPServer: 64.58.156.40
>DNSDomain: gv.homecable.net
>DNSHostName: MyComputer
>DomainDNSRegistrationEnabled:
>IPAddress: 24.344.56.566
>IPAddresslen: 13
>IPConnectionMetric: 30
>IPEnabled: True
>MACAddress: 00:3B:27:43:6A:D1
>MTU:
>
>
>Sub testnicconfigS()
>'set reference to WMI for WinXP and 2000
>'The Win32_NetworkAdapterConfiguration WMI class represents 'the
>attributes and behaviors of a network adapter. 'This class has been
>extended to include extra properties and methods 'that support the
>management of the TCP/IP and Internetworking Packet Exchange
>(IPX) 'protocols (and are independent of the network adapter). Dim
>strComputer As String Dim objWMIService As Object Dim colitems As Object
>Dim objitem As Object On Error Resume Next 'there maybe multiple Nic
>entries that are empty so skip them
>
>strComputer = "." 'default "." specifies local machine name Set
>objWMIService = GetObject("winmgmts:\\" & strComputer & "\root\cimv2")
>Set colitems = objWMIService.ExecQuery("Select * from
>Win32_NetworkAdapterConfiguration", , 48)
>
>For Each objitem In colitems
>
>    Debug.Print "DHCPEnabled: " & objitem.DHCPEnabled
>    Debug.Print "DHCPLeaseExpires: " & WMIDateStringToDate
>(objitem.DHCPLeaseExpires)
>    Debug.Print "DHCPLeaseObtained: " & WMIDateStringToDate
>(objitem.DHCPLeaseObtained)
>    Debug.Print "DHCPServer: " & objitem.DHCPServer
>    Debug.Print "DNSDomain: " & objitem.DNSDomain
>
>    Debug.Print "DNSHostName: " & objitem.DNSHostName
>
>    Debug.Print "DomainDNSRegistrationEnabled: " &
>objitem.DomainDNSRegistrationEnabled
>
>    Debug.Print "IPAddress: " & objitem.IPAddress(0)
>       'this is an array like other undocumented entries
>       'you will have to find by trial and error
>       'although there is an isarray property somewhere
>       Debug.Print "IPAddresslen: " & Len(objitem.IPAddress(0))
>    Debug.Print "IPConnectionMetric: " & objitem.IPConnectionMetric
>    Debug.Print "IPEnabled: " & objitem.IPEnabled
>    Debug.Print "MACAddress: " & objitem.MACAddress
>    Debug.Print "MTU: " & objitem.MTU
>
>Next
>End Sub
>Function WMIDateStringToDate(dtmInstallDate) As String 'WMI has an odd
>date format WMIDateStringToDate = CDate(Mid(dtmInstallDate, 5, 2) & "/"
>& _ Mid(dtmInstallDate, 7, 2) & "/" & Left(dtmInstallDate, 4) _ & " " &
>Mid(dtmInstallDate, 9, 2) & ":" & _ Mid(dtmInstallDate, 11, 2) & ":" &
>Mid(dtmInstallDate, _ 13, 2)) End Function
>
>
>Erwin Craps - IT Helps wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Shields up is a test a webserver test, but just at the startpage
>>(before the test) you can see your dns name and ip address
>>
>>https://www.grc.com/x/ne.dll?bh0bkyd2
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve
>>Conklin
>>(Developer at UltraDNT)
>>Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 4:17 PM
>>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>>Subject: RE: [AccessD] External IP Address of Local Machine
>>
>>Thanks, Stuart.
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart
>>McLachlan
>>Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 7:48 PM
>>To: Access Developers discussion and problemsolving
>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] External IP Address of Local Machine
>>
>>
>>On 15 Sep 2004 at 18:55, Steve Conklin (Developer at UltraDNT) wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>>    
>>
>>>I am using WDSI, WinInet and various API's to get 2 Access 
>>>applications to send data to each other over FTP.  It is working well,
>>>   
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>> 
>>
>>    
>>
>>>but I want the server to be secure, that is to only allow logins/files
>>>   
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>> 
>>
>>    
>>
>>>to come from specific IP's. This is ok when I am sending, because I 
>>>know my IP, and I tell the client to allow my IP.  When I (hopefully) 
>>>sell a copy to the client's client, how can they easily determine
>>>   
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>their IP?
>> 
>>
>>    
>>
>>>I have looked at the Winsock API and can get remote IP's via Host
>>>   
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>Name.
>> 
>>
>>    
>>
>>>However, when I want to get the IP of the local PC, it returns the 
>>>192.168.x.x address; how can I get the external IP that the FTP server
>>>   
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>> 
>>
>>    
>>
>>>needs to know through VB/API?
>>>
>>>   
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>If you are working through a router, you can't since only the router
>>knows
>>the external address..   The only way would be to bounce an HTML
>>    
>>
>request
>  
>
>>of
>>an external website and read the return data. There a numbder of 
>>freeware tools available on the web that do just that. See 
>>http://www.snapfiles.com/freeware/network/fwip.html for examples
>>
>>
>>If you're machine is directly connected to the Internet, you can
>>iterate
>>
>>through it's IP adddresses.
>>
>>Here's a module to do it (watch for linewrap)
>>
>>Option Compare Database
>>Option Explicit
>>
>>Const MAX_IP = 5   'To make a buffer... i dont think you have more than
>>5 ip on your pc..
>>
>>Type IPINFO
>>    dwAddr As Long   ' IP address
>>   dwIndex As Long '  interface index
>>   dwMask As Long ' subnet mask
>>   dwBCastAddr As Long ' broadcast address
>>   dwReasmSize  As Long ' assembly size
>>   unused1 As Integer ' not currently used
>>   unused2 As Integer '; not currently used End Type
>>
>>Type MIB_IPADDRTABLE
>>   dEntrys As Long   'number of entries in the table
>>   mIPInfo(MAX_IP) As IPINFO  'array of IP address entries End Type
>>
>>Type IP_Array
>>   mBuffer As MIB_IPADDRTABLE
>>   BufferLen As Long
>>End Type
>>
>>Public Declare Sub CopyMemory Lib "kernel32" Alias "RtlMoveMemory"
>>(Destination As Any, Source As Any, ByVal Length As Long) Public 
>>Declare Function GetIpAddrTable Lib "IPHlpApi" (pIPAdrTable As Byte, 
>>pdwSize As Long, ByVal Sort As Long) As Long
>>
>>
>>Public Function ConvertAddressToString(longAddr As Long) As String
>>   Dim myByte(3) As Byte
>>   Dim Cnt As Long
>>   CopyMemory myByte(0), longAddr, 4
>>   For Cnt = 0 To 3
>>       ConvertAddressToString = ConvertAddressToString +
>>CStr(myByte(Cnt)) + "."
>>   Next Cnt
>>   ConvertAddressToString = Left$(ConvertAddressToString,
>>Len(ConvertAddressToString) - 1) End Function
>>
>>Public Function IPAddresses() As Long
>>Dim lngRetVal As Long
>>Dim lngLoop As Long
>>Dim bBytes() As Byte
>>Dim IPList As MIB_IPADDRTABLE
>>
>>   GetIpAddrTable ByVal 0&, lngRetVal, True
>>
>>   If lngRetVal <= 0 Then Exit Function
>>   ReDim bBytes(0 To lngRetVal - 1) As Byte
>>   'retrieve the data
>>   GetIpAddrTable bBytes(0), lngRetVal, False
>>     
>>   'Get the first 4 bytes to get the entry's.. ip installed
>>   CopyMemory IPList.dEntrys, bBytes(0), 4
>>
>>   For lngLoop = 0 To IPList.dEntrys - 1
>>       'Copy whole structure to Listing..
>>       CopyMemory IPList.mIPInfo(lngLoop), bBytes(4 + (lngLoop *
>>Len(IPList.mIPInfo(0)))), Len(IPList.mIPInfo(lngLoop))
>>        Debug.Print "IP address                   : " &
>>ConvertAddressToString(IPList.mIPInfo(lngLoop).dwAddr)
>>        Debug.Print "IP Subnetmask            : " &
>>ConvertAddressToString(IPList.mIPInfo(lngLoop).dwMask)
>>        Debug.Print "BroadCast IP address  : " &
>>ConvertAddressToString(IPList.mIPInfo(lngLoop).dwBCastAddr)
>>        Debug.Print "**************************************"
>>   Next
>>
>>End Function
>>
>>
>>--
>>Stuart
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>    
>>
>
>  
>

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From lytlenj at yahoo.com  Fri Sep 17 05:48:19 2004
From: lytlenj at yahoo.com (Nancy Lytle)
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 03:48:19 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Gmail Invite (D)
In-Reply-To: <8DA8776D2F418E46A2A464AC6CE63050934A@outbaksrv1.outbaktech.com>
Message-ID: <20040917104819.19600.qmail@web53909.mail.yahoo.com>

Sure, I'd love one.

Nancy Lytle
Rockville, MD 

--- Jeff Barrows <Jeff at outbaktech.com> wrote:

> On its way!   Anyone else?
> 
> Jeff Barrows
> MCP, MCAD, MCSD
>  
> Outbak Technologies, LLC
> Racine, WI
> jeff at outbaktech.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Steven W. Erbach [mailto:serbach at new.rr.com] 
> Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 10:22 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Gmail Invite (D)
> 
> Jeff,
> 
> >> Are you looking for a GMail invite? <<
> 
> Well, sure, if ya got one one 'a dem dere tings, eh?
> 
> Steve Erbach
> Neenah, WI
> 
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From cyx5 at cdc.gov  Fri Sep 17 06:19:10 2004
From: cyx5 at cdc.gov (Nicholson, Karen)
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 07:19:10 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Gmail Invite (D)
Message-ID: <A5B5AA20555F594BA7B6BD2048E49E438406E0@m-niosh-5.niosh.cdc.gov>

I will take one.  Thanks

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Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 6:48 AM
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Subject: RE: [AccessD] Gmail Invite (D)


Sure, I'd love one.

Nancy Lytle
Rockville, MD 

--- Jeff Barrows <Jeff at outbaktech.com> wrote:

> On its way!   Anyone else?
> 
> Jeff Barrows
> MCP, MCAD, MCSD
>  
> Outbak Technologies, LLC
> Racine, WI
> jeff at outbaktech.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Steven W. Erbach [mailto:serbach at new.rr.com] 
> Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 10:22 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Gmail Invite (D)
> 
> Jeff,
> 
> >> Are you looking for a GMail invite? <<
> 
> Well, sure, if ya got one one 'a dem dere tings, eh?
> 
> Steve Erbach
> Neenah, WI
> 
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From bheid at appdevgrp.com  Fri Sep 17 06:56:03 2004
From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid)
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 07:56:03 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Copy tables from/to databases other than the Current db
In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30995ADD@ADGSERVER>
Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA305BB849@ADGSERVER>

Could you not use a make-table query?

Something like:
SELECT sometable1.* INTO sometable2 IN 'D:\Data\DB3.mdb'
	FROM sometable1;

Bobby

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Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 5:53 PM
To: Access List
Subject: [AccessD] Copy tables from/to databases other than the Current db


Using code in an Access 97 application (let's call it DB1), I need to copy
tables from database DB2 to database DB3.  I know how to copy objects from
DB1 to DB3 (using Transferdatabase), but this is stumping me.

More info --- DB1 is the front end of the application; DB2 is the back end
(tables) of the application, and DB3 is a temporary database that I create
"on the fly" (using code in the front end).  I can't copy the tables from
DB1 to DB3 because DB1 only contains the links to tables in DB2.

Hope this isn't too confusing!

Thanks,
Barb Ryan
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From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com  Fri Sep 17 06:50:26 2004
From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark S. (Newport News))
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 07:50:26 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] .TIFF Image of Report Pages
Message-ID: <BA209D7D3A20BE499AB726E4ED7A6DA1FCB73A@nprdex02.nns.com>

Many thanks to you all.

After a little research into how other divisions have handled this creation
of .tiff files from AutoCAD .dwg files, I'm a little disappointed.  I mean
that, just on the hint that we might have to take over this responsibility,
it has only taken 12 hours for you kind folks to provide a multitude of
viable options.  What scares me is that some divisions are actually doing
this manually by scanning a hard copy.

So, in comparison, would I be considered lazy or efficient for wanting a
better way?  ;)


Mark


-----Original Message-----
From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk] 
Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 11:36 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] .TIFF Image of Report Pages


Hi Mark

The "Print To Picture" printer driver:

  http://progrex.narod.ru/ptp.html

can output to PCX, BMP, or PNG files.
Then you can convert to TIFF.

/gustav


> Does anyone have any brilliant ideas on how I could automatically generate
a
> .tiff image for each page in a report?

> Background: Our company stores issued drawings in .tiff format.  In the
> past, drawings have been scanned in manually in a reproduction department.
> Currently, I issue drawings using Access reports.  It has been suggested
> that the .tiff creation MAY fall to the engineering department.

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From Paul.Rogers at SummitMedia.co.uk  Fri Sep 17 07:15:48 2004
From: Paul.Rogers at SummitMedia.co.uk (Paul Rodgers)
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 13:15:48 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Gmail Invite (D)
Message-ID: <EAF3070ACB1AD81182280002A51EF73119222C@s003.wolds.summitmedia.co.uk>

Yes, please!

-----Original Message-----
From: Nancy Lytle [mailto:lytlenj at yahoo.com]
Sent: 17 September 2004 11:48
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Gmail Invite (D)


Sure, I'd love one.

Nancy Lytle
Rockville, MD 

--- Jeff Barrows <Jeff at outbaktech.com> wrote:

> On its way!   Anyone else?
> 
> Jeff Barrows
> MCP, MCAD, MCSD
>  
> Outbak Technologies, LLC
> Racine, WI
> jeff at outbaktech.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Steven W. Erbach [mailto:serbach at new.rr.com] 
> Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 10:22 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Gmail Invite (D)
> 
> Jeff,
> 
> >> Are you looking for a GMail invite? <<
> 
> Well, sure, if ya got one one 'a dem dere tings, eh?
> 
> Steve Erbach
> Neenah, WI
> 
> 
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From carbonnb at sympatico.ca  Fri Sep 17 07:22:06 2004
From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 8:22:06 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Gmail Invite (D)
Message-ID: <20040917122207.ZLCY14661.tomts7-srv.bellnexxia.net@mxmta.bellnexxia.net>

OK folks,

Let's take these me too's off list.

Please and thanks.


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Unfortunately common sense isn't so common!



From markamatte at hotmail.com  Fri Sep 17 08:03:47 2004
From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte)
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 13:03:47 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Output Larg Text File
Message-ID: <BAY1-F40wuWqkRse7lS00013b3f@hotmail.com>

John,

lol...I agree...and you're close...its one of those deals where the judge 
says "You will provide every single piece of documentation you have on this 
matter, or any like it".  The way data is stored...is not the way lawyers 
and judges like to see it.  So I wanted to have a single 
document...well...due to time constraints(and business sign-off)...I sent 
them an A97 db with a report built of the 60K records...turned out to be 
around 13k pages.  Hopefully this will appease them.

Thanks,

Mark


P.S...I wonder if your gender reference to the Almighty will stir any 
comments?


>From: "John W. Colby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving'"<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Output Larg Text File
>Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 21:47:08 -0400
>
>LOL.  Who's going to read an 11 THOUSAND page report?  This must be the
>government?  I think you are running into GOD trying to protect her trees.
>;-)
>
>John W. Colby
>www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
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>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A Matte
>Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 8:56 AM
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: [AccessD] Output Larg Text File
>
>
>Hello All,
>
>In A97 or A2k...I have a large report(>60,000 record and >11,000 Pages)...I
>need to save this as a text/rtf/something...everytime I try...I get an 
>"over
>
>flow" error...any suggestions?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Mark
>
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From Developer at UltraDNT.com  Fri Sep 17 08:11:06 2004
From: Developer at UltraDNT.com (Steve Conklin (Developer@UltraDNT))
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 09:11:06 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] External IP Address of Local Machine
In-Reply-To: <414A7A1B.4030704@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <000f01c49cb7$caa92f10$0200a8c0@COA3>

Marty:
Most cool, the third one, going to dynip, did the job.  

The tracert didn't include mine, it just showed the ip's of my provider.
The second method, as written, didn't work.  I assume its because my
router is not using 0.1 ...  Routers cannot be counted on to use
192.168.0.1; some are 0.0, 100.1, 1.1, etc.  (this early in the morning,
I forget what mine is, but I'll try it later.)  Also, are these pages
"industry standard"? All router mfgr's use these (like st_devic.html)?
Anyway, if I used that, I'd need discovery code for the router first.

Steve


-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 1:46 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] External IP Address of Local Machine


I tried a couple of other methods

grabbing the ip entries from this created text file ; sort of slow even 
with only 3 hops
tracert -h 3 www.microsoft.com > testtrac.txt
----------------------------------------
If you are configuring your router thru http methods
"http://192.168.0.1/st_devic.html"
is supposed to give you the ip address
but then you have to clear the cache
use this to clear out IE cached pages for DSL router app. 
 
Private Declare Function DeleteUrlCacheEntry Lib "wininet.dll" Alias 
 
"DeleteUrlCacheEntryA" (ByVal lpszUrlName As String) As Long 
 
DeleteUrlCacheEntry "http://192.168.0.1/st_devic.html" 
 
DeleteUrlCacheEntry "http://192.168.0.1/st_stats.html" 
----------------
http://checkip.dyndns.org/
can only use every 10 minutes otherwise site gets annoyed

Dim objExplorer As Object
Dim objDocument As Object
Dim strComputer As String
Dim objWMIService As Object
Dim colLoggedEvents As Object
Dim objEvent As Object
Dim dtmDate As Variant
Dim strReturn As String

Set objExplorer = CreateObject("InternetExplorer.Application")
'Set objDocument = objExplorer.Document
objExplorer.Navigate "about:blank"
objExplorer.Toolbar = 0
objExplorer.StatusBar = 0
objExplorer.Width = 800
objExplorer.Height = 570
objExplorer.Left = 0
objExplorer.Top = 0
objExplorer.Visible = 1

objExplorer.Navigate "http://checkip.dyndns.org/"
Do While (objExplorer.Busy)
Loop
Dim webtx As String
Dim strHTML As String
'Set objDocument = objExplorer.Document
'objDocument.Open

strHTML = objExplorer.Document.BODY.parentElement.outerHTML
 Debug.Print strHTML
'parse the string here

MsgBox "finished"
Set objExplorer = Nothing
Set objDocument = Nothing

End Sub



Steve Conklin (Developer at UltraDNT) wrote:

>Marty:
>It iterated through about 6 times; most entries were blank, on about 
>the 4th pass I got my DSN information, but it was also only showing the

>LAN IP (192.168.x.x), not the WAN address.
>
>I found an external utility form the page Stuart suggested, it looks 
>like I'll have to Shell that to know the user's external IP.  The 
>Help/About mentions MFC classes, so its making Windows calls that
>*should* be exposed somewhere as an API/DLL, but I haven't figured out 
>how yet.
>
>
>Steve
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
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>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
>MartyConnelly
>Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 1:54 PM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] External IP Address of Local Machine
>
>
>I am just curious as to what this WMI code would return working  
>through
>
>a router
>I get something like this without one. I have garbled numbers.
>
>DHCPEnabled: True
>DHCPLeaseExpires: 13/09/2004 5:42:44 AM
>DHCPLeaseObtained: 09/11/2004 5:42:50 AM
>DHCPServer: 64.58.156.40
>DNSDomain: gv.homecable.net
>DNSHostName: MyComputer
>DomainDNSRegistrationEnabled:
>IPAddress: 24.344.56.566
>IPAddresslen: 13
>IPConnectionMetric: 30
>IPEnabled: True
>MACAddress: 00:3B:27:43:6A:D1
>MTU:
>
>
>Sub testnicconfigS()
>'set reference to WMI for WinXP and 2000
>'The Win32_NetworkAdapterConfiguration WMI class represents 'the 
>attributes and behaviors of a network adapter. 'This class has been 
>extended to include extra properties and methods 'that support the 
>management of the TCP/IP and Internetworking Packet Exchange
>(IPX) 'protocols (and are independent of the network adapter). Dim 
>strComputer As String Dim objWMIService As Object Dim colitems As 
>Object Dim objitem As Object On Error Resume Next 'there maybe multiple

>Nic entries that are empty so skip them
>
>strComputer = "." 'default "." specifies local machine name Set 
>objWMIService = GetObject("winmgmts:\\" & strComputer & "\root\cimv2") 
>Set colitems = objWMIService.ExecQuery("Select * from 
>Win32_NetworkAdapterConfiguration", , 48)
>
>For Each objitem In colitems
>
>    Debug.Print "DHCPEnabled: " & objitem.DHCPEnabled
>    Debug.Print "DHCPLeaseExpires: " & WMIDateStringToDate
>(objitem.DHCPLeaseExpires)
>    Debug.Print "DHCPLeaseObtained: " & WMIDateStringToDate
>(objitem.DHCPLeaseObtained)
>    Debug.Print "DHCPServer: " & objitem.DHCPServer
>    Debug.Print "DNSDomain: " & objitem.DNSDomain
>
>    Debug.Print "DNSHostName: " & objitem.DNSHostName
>
>    Debug.Print "DomainDNSRegistrationEnabled: " & 
>objitem.DomainDNSRegistrationEnabled
>
>    Debug.Print "IPAddress: " & objitem.IPAddress(0)
>       'this is an array like other undocumented entries
>       'you will have to find by trial and error
>       'although there is an isarray property somewhere
>       Debug.Print "IPAddresslen: " & Len(objitem.IPAddress(0))
>    Debug.Print "IPConnectionMetric: " & objitem.IPConnectionMetric
>    Debug.Print "IPEnabled: " & objitem.IPEnabled
>    Debug.Print "MACAddress: " & objitem.MACAddress
>    Debug.Print "MTU: " & objitem.MTU
>
>Next
>End Sub
>Function WMIDateStringToDate(dtmInstallDate) As String 'WMI has an odd 
>date format WMIDateStringToDate = CDate(Mid(dtmInstallDate, 5, 2) & "/"

>& _ Mid(dtmInstallDate, 7, 2) & "/" & Left(dtmInstallDate, 4) _ & " " &

>Mid(dtmInstallDate, 9, 2) & ":" & _ Mid(dtmInstallDate, 11, 2) & ":" & 
>Mid(dtmInstallDate, _ 13, 2)) End Function
>
>
>Erwin Craps - IT Helps wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Shields up is a test a webserver test, but just at the startpage 
>>(before the test) you can see your dns name and ip address
>>
>>https://www.grc.com/x/ne.dll?bh0bkyd2
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve 
>>Conklin
>>(Developer at UltraDNT)
>>Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 4:17 PM
>>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>>Subject: RE: [AccessD] External IP Address of Local Machine
>>
>>Thanks, Stuart.
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart 
>>McLachlan
>>Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 7:48 PM
>>To: Access Developers discussion and problemsolving
>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] External IP Address of Local Machine
>>
>>
>>On 15 Sep 2004 at 18:55, Steve Conklin (Developer at UltraDNT) wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>>    
>>
>>>I am using WDSI, WinInet and various API's to get 2 Access
>>>applications to send data to each other over FTP.  It is working
well,
>>>   
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>> 
>>
>>    
>>
>>>but I want the server to be secure, that is to only allow 
>>>logins/files
>>>   
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>> 
>>
>>    
>>
>>>to come from specific IP's. This is ok when I am sending, because I
>>>know my IP, and I tell the client to allow my IP.  When I (hopefully)

>>>sell a copy to the client's client, how can they easily determine
>>>   
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>their IP?
>> 
>>
>>    
>>
>>>I have looked at the Winsock API and can get remote IP's via Host
>>>   
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>Name.
>> 
>>
>>    
>>
>>>However, when I want to get the IP of the local PC, it returns the
>>>192.168.x.x address; how can I get the external IP that the FTP
server
>>>   
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>> 
>>
>>    
>>
>>>needs to know through VB/API?
>>>
>>>   
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>If you are working through a router, you can't since only the router 
>>knows
>>the external address..   The only way would be to bounce an HTML
>>    
>>
>request
>  
>
>>of
>>an external website and read the return data. There a numbder of
>>freeware tools available on the web that do just that. See 
>>http://www.snapfiles.com/freeware/network/fwip.html for examples
>>
>>
>>If you're machine is directly connected to the Internet, you can 
>>iterate
>>
>>through it's IP adddresses.
>>
>>Here's a module to do it (watch for linewrap)
>>
>>Option Compare Database
>>Option Explicit
>>
>>Const MAX_IP = 5   'To make a buffer... i dont think you have more
than
>>5 ip on your pc..
>>
>>Type IPINFO
>>    dwAddr As Long   ' IP address
>>   dwIndex As Long '  interface index
>>   dwMask As Long ' subnet mask
>>   dwBCastAddr As Long ' broadcast address
>>   dwReasmSize  As Long ' assembly size
>>   unused1 As Integer ' not currently used
>>   unused2 As Integer '; not currently used End Type
>>
>>Type MIB_IPADDRTABLE
>>   dEntrys As Long   'number of entries in the table
>>   mIPInfo(MAX_IP) As IPINFO  'array of IP address entries End Type
>>
>>Type IP_Array
>>   mBuffer As MIB_IPADDRTABLE
>>   BufferLen As Long
>>End Type
>>
>>Public Declare Sub CopyMemory Lib "kernel32" Alias "RtlMoveMemory" 
>>(Destination As Any, Source As Any, ByVal Length As Long) Public 
>>Declare Function GetIpAddrTable Lib "IPHlpApi" (pIPAdrTable As Byte, 
>>pdwSize As Long, ByVal Sort As Long) As Long
>>
>>
>>Public Function ConvertAddressToString(longAddr As Long) As String
>>   Dim myByte(3) As Byte
>>   Dim Cnt As Long
>>   CopyMemory myByte(0), longAddr, 4
>>   For Cnt = 0 To 3
>>       ConvertAddressToString = ConvertAddressToString +
>>CStr(myByte(Cnt)) + "."
>>   Next Cnt
>>   ConvertAddressToString = Left$(ConvertAddressToString,
>>Len(ConvertAddressToString) - 1) End Function
>>
>>Public Function IPAddresses() As Long
>>Dim lngRetVal As Long
>>Dim lngLoop As Long
>>Dim bBytes() As Byte
>>Dim IPList As MIB_IPADDRTABLE
>>
>>   GetIpAddrTable ByVal 0&, lngRetVal, True
>>
>>   If lngRetVal <= 0 Then Exit Function
>>   ReDim bBytes(0 To lngRetVal - 1) As Byte
>>   'retrieve the data
>>   GetIpAddrTable bBytes(0), lngRetVal, False
>>     
>>   'Get the first 4 bytes to get the entry's.. ip installed
>>   CopyMemory IPList.dEntrys, bBytes(0), 4
>>
>>   For lngLoop = 0 To IPList.dEntrys - 1
>>       'Copy whole structure to Listing..
>>       CopyMemory IPList.mIPInfo(lngLoop), bBytes(4 + (lngLoop * 
>>Len(IPList.mIPInfo(0)))), Len(IPList.mIPInfo(lngLoop))
>>        Debug.Print "IP address                   : " &
>>ConvertAddressToString(IPList.mIPInfo(lngLoop).dwAddr)
>>        Debug.Print "IP Subnetmask            : " &
>>ConvertAddressToString(IPList.mIPInfo(lngLoop).dwMask)
>>        Debug.Print "BroadCast IP address  : " &
>>ConvertAddressToString(IPList.mIPInfo(lngLoop).dwBCastAddr)
>>        Debug.Print "**************************************"
>>   Next
>>
>>End Function
>>
>>
>>--
>>Stuart
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>    
>>
>
>  
>

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri Sep 17 10:37:22 2004
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 08:37:22 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312A68@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Sure, but we weren't using VB, we were using Access.  We skipped VB6
entirely and we avoided installing anything but the Access runtime and
our app on client machines, so dlls were out.

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Jim DeMarco [mailto:Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org] 
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 12:18 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net


FWIW and not to take anything away from .NET but you *can* use the same
data access and biz rules code in VB and ASP apps via compliled code
(aka dlls).  One big plus for .NET in this arena is that a lot of the
display code is either the same or similar between ASP.NET apps and
WinForms apps (just look at the code to bind your data to a web grid or
windows data grid. It's virtually the same).

Jim DeMarco

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 2:25 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net


It's catching on in *our* trenches!  I like working with it and our next
major versions are going to be all VB.Net in part because it allows us
to do things the clients want but that would have been difficult to
impossible in Access.  And it allows us to build Web-based interfaces
for clients who want them without having to write different code for the
Windows-based and web-based interfaces.  I think that's worth the
learning curve.

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Dettman [mailto:jimdettman at earthlink.net] 
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 10:56 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net


Brett,

<<When evaluating dev tools for an upcoming project, it became apparent
to me that the new OO capabilities of .NET would be worth the learning
curve.>>

  I was in the same place several years ago.  .Net was brand new and not
much was around. I also wanted to get a standalone .EXE, get away from
reference headaches with Access, etc.  So I picked up VFP (Visual
FoxPro). I must say I was disappointed at first because so many people I
spoke with raved about it.  While it had very strong database and OO
capabilities, some of it was just plain junk.  That's changed quite a
bit as Microsoft has continued to add to the product.  It has released
two major versions since then with a third on the way.  It too had a
steep learning curve.

<<Judging by the developer journals and 3rd party tool developers, I
wouldn't say that it has been "poorly received".  It's getting tough to
find VB6 articles in print or online.>>

  I said that in light of the fact that .Net has been around for several
years now and yet very few shops use it or are just getting into using
it. Even Microsoft has said publicly that the response has been poor.
They had to back off the whole .Net centric campaign and have refocused
once again. And while that may have born some fruit, it seems for the
most part that .Net is still not main stream.

<<I've already gotten into the "which is better" war on this list, so
I'll save it this time.  However, after a week long boot camp course, I
firmly believe that it's the best tool for the job, regardless of how
many other developers agree.>>

  Been there done that<g> and this isn't about that.  I was mainly
curious if .Net was catching on down in the trenches or still ho-hum.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Brett Barabash
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 9:41 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net


#2.
When evaluating dev tools for an upcoming project, it became apparent to
me that the new OO capabilities of .NET would be worth the learning
curve.

Judging by the developer journals and 3rd party tool developers, I
wouldn't say that it has been "poorly received".  It's getting tough to
find VB6 articles in print or online.

I've already gotten into the "which is better" war on this list, so I'll
save it this time.  However, after a week long boot camp course, I
firmly believe that it's the best tool for the job, regardless of how
many other developers agree.


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 7:45 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net


Richard,

  I think rather then the worrying about the front end, you should be
considering the BE and the technology behind it.  However without
knowing a lot more about your app, it's hard to say if that's critical
or not.  Also, you didn't mention why you were considering moving from
developing the FE in Access itself.

  As for VB.Net, I've been ignoring it for the most part for some of the
same reasons you outline (distribution) plus the fact that it has a
large learning curve.  I can't see spending the time on that when I
already have tools at my disposal that do the job fine. And I'm not the
only one. Overall it seems that .Net has been poorly received by the
development community.  Most developers I know are happy (for the most
part) with what they already have/know.  Of course a lot depends on the
types of apps you develop and the end users you target.  I think most of
us on this list are on the smaller end of the scale developing typical
business type apps for 50 concurrent users or less.

  How about a quick un-scientific poll?

1. Do you currently develop in .Net (you know it and use it on a regular
basis)
2. Are you learning .Net for a project (your just starting out with it
and have done a small project or two). 3. Don't know anything about it,
but are interested in it. 4. Could care less.

  I'm firmly at #4 for the moment.

Jim Dettman
(315) 699-3443
jimdettman at earthlink.net

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Griffiths,
Richard
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 5:20 AM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] MS Access to VB6 or VB.net


Hi Group

After advice and thoughts.  I have a piece of commercial software
(library s/ware for schools) written with A97 FE and BE.  I am about to
rewrite and can't decide over VB6 FE/A2K(DAO) BE or VB.net FE / A2K
BE.(reason for change to VB as opposed to MS Access is that the VB
footprint will be smaller 1-2mb [easier to email/download and manage
than my 12-13 mb Access FE]).

On one hand the VB6 route will be quicker to develop (no learning curve)
and I think to deploy. On the other hand VB.Net is the future (most
likely!!)(and learning and developing in this will be more interesting
and will spur me on) but I am concerned (mainly) about deployment as my
users are not very IT literate and their pc's (at this time) are not
up-to-date (some W95 many W98 32-64mb ram - I know .net is no go on
W95).  So deployment of .net requires not only the framework but they
need minimal Data Access 2.7, IE 5.01, Windows installer etc also
installed.  But 6-12 months down the line I don't want to be in the
posistion that having used VB6 to then consider rewriting in Vb.net.

What I can't gauge here is how significant these issues are (and any
other issues).  So what I am hoping to get here is how you would
approach this conundrum - tried and tested VB6 or new VB.net?

Thanks

Richard


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From donald.a.Mcgillivray at mail.sprint.com  Fri Sep 17 11:05:19 2004
From: donald.a.Mcgillivray at mail.sprint.com (Mcgillivray, Donald [ITS])
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 11:05:19 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Urgent help please - Can't open html page in
	Frontpagefrom Access form
Message-ID: <988E2AC88CCB54459286C4077DB662F50155B2D8@PDAWB03C.ad.sprint.com>

Firstly, I have only passing familiarity with Front Page and web stuff -
DEFINITELY no kind of expert!  But since you seem to be in a similar
situation, maybe my experience will prove useful.

In FP 98 (newer versions may be different) the html editor is a separate
application that can be run independently from the FP web designer
interface.  Since my ISP doesn't support FP extensions at my
subscription level, I just use the FP editor (not the web designer) to
create pages (VERY simple ones, to be sure) and upload them via FTP to
my web space.  Basically, the FP html editor allows you to open, edit
and save ANY html doc to ANY place you please - doesn't have to be a
part of a "Front Page web" at all.  Things could get a little tricky if
the html doc contains hyperlinks to other pages within the web site - in
my situation I mimic the directory structure of my web space on my PC,
and make any hyperlinks relative to the page location - and I have no
idea what happens if you just slip a page into a FP web thru the "back
door" (does the FP web automatically 'know' the new page is there, or do
you have to use the web designer to make it available?) 

All this having been said, I don't know whether the FP html editor (as
distinct from the web designer) has an exposed object model that you can
automate from your VBA code (I'm at work and my FP is installed at home)
but if it does, you ought to be able to open and work a document
independent of any web specs and then move it to the web via a separate
process when the user is finished.

Hope this helps!

Don McGillivray



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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 6:13 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Urgent help please - Can't open html page in
Frontpagefrom Access form


I have wasted ages on this so am now begging assistance........

I have an html file (empty at present - later it will have some basic
text)

I need to my code to 
- Make a copy of the template.html file (I can do that) and 
- give it a new name, eg. Template_BHP_140904.html (I can do that)
- Open the html file just created in Frontpage for users to modify the
document (That's where I'm stuck....)

My problem is a total lack of knowledge of files vs. webs and therefore
the syntax I need. Questions: - 

- Do I have to have a 'web' or 'web folder' - can't I just have an html
file and open it?

- If I can, what is the alternative syntax to .webs.open - eg. I am
looking for a .pages.open property or .files.open ?

Here's my code so far - when I run it I get an error  - There is no web
named "/E:/SDS/Clients/CPP/WebLetters/Template.html"


------------------------------------------------------------------------
--------

Private Sub CmdOpenFP_Click()

Dim oFPweb As FrontPage.Web
Dim oFP As FrontPage.Application
Dim FrontPageRunning As Boolean

'Determine whether FrontPage is alredy open or not
FrontPageRunning = IsFrontPageRunning()

If Not FrontPageRunning Then
    MsgBox ("Frontpage is Closed")
    Set oFP = CreateObject("Frontpage.Application")
Else
    MsgBox ("Frontpage is already open")
    Set oFP = GetObject(, "Frontpage.Application")
End If

'add code here later to make a copy of my file

'open file in front page------------------------------------------------
oFP.Webs.Open ("E:\Sds\Clients\CPP\Webletters\template.html")
'STUCK HERE

 ' Show FrontPage
 oFPweb.Activate
 'Set oFP = Nothing

End Sub

------------------------------------------------------------------------
--------

TIA


Kath Pelletti
Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd.
Ph: 9505-6714
Fax: 9505-6430
KP at SDSOnline.net
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From artful at rogers.com  Fri Sep 17 11:17:20 2004
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 12:17:20 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] ADP
In-Reply-To: <844F188BB505654DBCF15C4B24106C1008DC7B@headcon.headit.nl>
Message-ID: <02b401c49cd1$cedd6410$6501a8c0@rock>

The question as asked is a little bit ambiguous. You could mean, when
creating the ADP -- in that case the wizard lets you pick the database.
Or you could mean that you want the user to be able to switch from one
version of the database to another, on the fly. In this case, create a
reference to the SQL-DMO library, which contains a bunch of useful
objects for this sort of thing. I have code in an app I did a while back
that lists the servers available in a listbox, then the databases of the
selected server in another listbox, and lets the user connect to the
selected database, basically by creating a new connection object. This
route risks ungracefulness, however, since in theory the user could
select a completely inappropriate database and have your pretty Access
ADP application blow up unmercifully. We got around this by naming the
parallel databases using a naming scheme, so then we could eliminate any
irrelvant databases before populating the listbox.

Arthur

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Carlo van der
Zon (Access IT Training)
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 8:59 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] ADP


Hi Group,

Does anybody know how to choose de SQL database in a ADP Runtime?

Thanks
Carlo

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From artful at rogers.com  Fri Sep 17 11:45:31 2004
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 12:45:31 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] ADP
In-Reply-To: <844F188BB505654DBCF15C4B24106C100F9AEE@headcon.headit.nl>
Message-ID: <02ca01c49cd5$bf39f470$6501a8c0@rock>

See my earlier reply about using SQL-DMO. This is exactly why I took
that route. I too needed to ship a run-time.

Arthur

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Carlo van der
Zon (Access IT Training)
Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 11:13 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] ADP


Ok, but this is not working in runtime.  


-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Namens fhtapia at gmail.com
Verzonden: woensdag 15 september 2004 17:30
Aan: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Onderwerp: Re: [AccessD] ADP

File |Connection, then select the full connection settings



From clh at christopherhawkins.com  Fri Sep 17 13:05:35 2004
From: clh at christopherhawkins.com (Christopher Hawkins)
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 12:05:35 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Connecting to SQL from Access w/a single login?
Message-ID: <191490-2200495171853536@christopherhawkins.com>

This is driving me nuts.  I know I did this a few years ago, but
right now I'm totally stumped.

A client of mine wrote himself an Access app for use around his
office.  Eventually the back-end swelled up to 500MB and problems
ensued, so they decided to go to SQL Server.  He upsized the database
himself and then called me in to help get the Access front-end
working against SQL Server.

Here's my current issue; I want all the Access clients to use the
same SQL Server login rather than having a unique SQL Server login
for each domain account.

I went ahead and created an AppUser login and gave it the appropriate
permissions to the application database.  I have the AppUser login
and password set in the ODBC DSN.  But whenever a user tries to
connect, an error message appears stating that his domain login was
not recognized by the SQL Server.  It's not even paying attention to
the AppUser info.

I'm surfing BOL right now, but haven't yet figured out what I missed.
And I know I'm missing something.

Any suggestions?
Respectfully,

Christopher Hawkins
Software Developer
(559) 687-7591
http://www.christopherhawkins.com




From dwilliams_78704 at yahoo.com  Fri Sep 17 13:17:07 2004
From: dwilliams_78704 at yahoo.com (dan williams)
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 11:17:07 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Gmail Invite (D)
In-Reply-To: <8DA8776D2F418E46A2A464AC6CE63050934A@outbaksrv1.outbaktech.com>
Message-ID: <20040917181707.78818.qmail@web50804.mail.yahoo.com>

sure would like one please
--- Jeff Barrows <Jeff at outbaktech.com> wrote:

> On its way!   Anyone else?
> 
> Jeff Barrows
> MCP, MCAD, MCSD
>  
> Outbak Technologies, LLC
> Racine, WI
> jeff at outbaktech.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Steven W. Erbach [mailto:serbach at new.rr.com] 
> Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 10:22 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Gmail Invite (D)
> 
> Jeff,
> 
> >> Are you looking for a GMail invite? <<
> 
> Well, sure, if ya got one one 'a dem dere tings, eh?
> 
> Steve Erbach
> Neenah, WI
> 
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From mikedorism at adelphia.net  Fri Sep 17 13:23:01 2004
From: mikedorism at adelphia.net (Mike & Doris Manning)
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 14:23:01 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Connecting to SQL from Access w/a single login?
In-Reply-To: <191490-2200495171853536@christopherhawkins.com>
Message-ID: <000001c49ce3$5e1f10e0$2f08a845@hargrove.internal>

Easiest way is to use your Global Domain master account and use Windows NT
authentication to set up a trusted connection to the server.

Doris Manning
Database Administrator
Hargrove Inc.
www.hargroveinc.com


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Christopher
Hawkins
Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 2:06 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Connecting to SQL from Access w/a single login?


This is driving me nuts.  I know I did this a few years ago, but right now
I'm totally stumped.

A client of mine wrote himself an Access app for use around his office.
Eventually the back-end swelled up to 500MB and problems ensued, so they
decided to go to SQL Server.  He upsized the database himself and then
called me in to help get the Access front-end working against SQL Server.

Here's my current issue; I want all the Access clients to use the same SQL
Server login rather than having a unique SQL Server login for each domain
account.

I went ahead and created an AppUser login and gave it the appropriate
permissions to the application database.  I have the AppUser login and
password set in the ODBC DSN.  But whenever a user tries to connect, an
error message appears stating that his domain login was not recognized by
the SQL Server.  It's not even paying attention to the AppUser info.

I'm surfing BOL right now, but haven't yet figured out what I missed. And I
know I'm missing something.

Any suggestions?
Respectfully,

Christopher Hawkins
Software Developer
(559) 687-7591
http://www.christopherhawkins.com


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From clh at christopherhawkins.com  Fri Sep 17 13:34:16 2004
From: clh at christopherhawkins.com (Christopher Hawkins)
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 12:34:16 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Connecting to SQL from Access w/a single login?
Message-ID: <73990-220049517183416589@christopherhawkins.com>

Can you elaborate?



---- Original Message ----
From: mikedorism at adelphia.net
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com, 
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Connecting to SQL from Access w/a single login?
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 14:23:01 -0400

>Easiest way is to use your Global Domain master account and use 
>Windows NT
>authentication to set up a trusted connection to the server.
>
>Doris Manning
>Database Administrator
>Hargrove Inc.
>www.hargroveinc.com
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
>Christopher
>Hawkins
>Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 2:06 PM
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: [AccessD] Connecting to SQL from Access w/a single login?
>
>
>This is driving me nuts.  I know I did this a few years ago, but 
>right now
>I'm totally stumped.
>
>A client of mine wrote himself an Access app for use around his 
>office.
>Eventually the back-end swelled up to 500MB and problems ensued, so 
>they
>decided to go to SQL Server.  He upsized the database himself and 
>then
>called me in to help get the Access front-end working against SQL 
>Server.
>
>Here's my current issue; I want all the Access clients to use the 
>same SQL
>Server login rather than having a unique SQL Server login for each 
>domain
>account.
>
>I went ahead and created an AppUser login and gave it the appropriate
>permissions to the application database.  I have the AppUser login 
>and
>password set in the ODBC DSN.  But whenever a user tries to connect, 
>an
>error message appears stating that his domain login was not 
>recognized by
>the SQL Server.  It's not even paying attention to the AppUser info.
>
>I'm surfing BOL right now, but haven't yet figured out what I 
>missed. And I
>know I'm missing something.
>
>Any suggestions?
>Respectfully,
>
>Christopher Hawkins
>Software Developer
>(559) 687-7591
>http://www.christopherhawkins.com
>
>
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From ebarro at afsweb.com  Fri Sep 17 13:40:08 2004
From: ebarro at afsweb.com (Eric Barro)
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 11:40:08 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Connecting to SQL from Access w/a single login?
In-Reply-To: <191490-2200495171853536@christopherhawkins.com>
Message-ID: <DPEGIFJOAFKLEDNNDGHCIEKFHCAA.ebarro@afsweb.com>

Check SQL server authentication if it is Windows based or SQL based.

User management in SQL server goes like this...

1. Create the login first under the Security section
2. Create privileges for the login
3. Create the user and associate it with a login

---
Eric Barro
Senior Systems Analyst
Advanced Field Services
(208) 772-7060
http://www.afsweb.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Christopher
Hawkins
Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 11:06 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Connecting to SQL from Access w/a single login?


This is driving me nuts.  I know I did this a few years ago, but
right now I'm totally stumped.

A client of mine wrote himself an Access app for use around his
office.  Eventually the back-end swelled up to 500MB and problems
ensued, so they decided to go to SQL Server.  He upsized the database
himself and then called me in to help get the Access front-end
working against SQL Server.

Here's my current issue; I want all the Access clients to use the
same SQL Server login rather than having a unique SQL Server login
for each domain account.

I went ahead and created an AppUser login and gave it the appropriate
permissions to the application database.  I have the AppUser login
and password set in the ODBC DSN.  But whenever a user tries to
connect, an error message appears stating that his domain login was
not recognized by the SQL Server.  It's not even paying attention to
the AppUser info.

I'm surfing BOL right now, but haven't yet figured out what I missed.
And I know I'm missing something.

Any suggestions?
Respectfully,

Christopher Hawkins
Software Developer
(559) 687-7591
http://www.christopherhawkins.com


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From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Sep 17 13:49:12 2004
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence (AccessD))
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 11:49:12 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Connecting to SQL from Access w/a single login?
In-Reply-To: <191490-2200495171853536@christopherhawkins.com>
Message-ID: <FJEJLIPOMCGJALMGLLLIEENMCGAA.accessd@shaw.ca>

Hi Christopher:

The SQL server has it's own way of dealing with access rights. They are
through an internal 'sa' type account or it is through 'NT authentication'.

Traditionally, I only use the 'sa' accounts as a backdoor for an
administrator. Your best option would be to go with 'NT authentication'.

The setup is fairly easy, if network has a domain. Go to the main server,
login as an administrator, 'right-click' MyComputer (assuming a Windows2000
system), select the 'Manage' option, choose 'Local Users and Groups' then:
One; create a login group called something like 'sqlusers'.
Two; create or add individual login to the group.

Once all the appropriate users have been added to this group the access the
SQL Enterprise manager. 'EM'.
One; Expand the current SQL server, the 'Security' directory and the 'click'
on the logins icon.
Two; 'right mouse click', select 'New login' and, on the General tab, from
the popdown list select your 'sqlusers' group. Make sure that the
'Authentication' radio button is selected and the current domain/server is
visible.
Three; Go back to the 'Database' and 'MyDatabase' directory and subdirectory
and 'right mouse click' the users icon.
Four; Select 'New database user' and select the new group you have just
added from the popdown menu.

There is some clean up and defining to do but you have basically defined
access rights. Now all you do is attempt a connection at the point where the
user accesses the FE Access DB and if the connection fails, close and exit
the program.  (If you need a sample of code that will connect to your server
just request it.)

You will find this way very clean, secure and not intrusive to the users.
This way is the only way I now ever setup user accounts.

HTH
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Christopher
Hawkins
Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 11:06 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Connecting to SQL from Access w/a single login?


This is driving me nuts.  I know I did this a few years ago, but
right now I'm totally stumped.

A client of mine wrote himself an Access app for use around his
office.  Eventually the back-end swelled up to 500MB and problems
ensued, so they decided to go to SQL Server.  He upsized the database
himself and then called me in to help get the Access front-end
working against SQL Server.

Here's my current issue; I want all the Access clients to use the
same SQL Server login rather than having a unique SQL Server login
for each domain account.

I went ahead and created an AppUser login and gave it the appropriate
permissions to the application database.  I have the AppUser login
and password set in the ODBC DSN.  But whenever a user tries to
connect, an error message appears stating that his domain login was
not recognized by the SQL Server.  It's not even paying attention to
the AppUser info.

I'm surfing BOL right now, but haven't yet figured out what I missed.
And I know I'm missing something.

Any suggestions?
Respectfully,

Christopher Hawkins
Software Developer
(559) 687-7591
http://www.christopherhawkins.com


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From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Fri Sep 17 13:53:05 2004
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 19:53:05 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Connecting to SQL from Access w/a single login?
References: <DPEGIFJOAFKLEDNNDGHCIEKFHCAA.ebarro@afsweb.com>
Message-ID: <000801c49ce7$9183d110$0100a8c0@Martin>

You could also look at Application Roles where your app as opposed to the 
individual users are authenicated.

Martin



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Eric Barro" <ebarro at afsweb.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 7:40 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Connecting to SQL from Access w/a single login?


> Check SQL server authentication if it is Windows based or SQL based.
>
> User management in SQL server goes like this...
>
> 1. Create the login first under the Security section
> 2. Create privileges for the login
> 3. Create the user and associate it with a login
>
> ---
> Eric Barro
> Senior Systems Analyst
> Advanced Field Services
> (208) 772-7060
> http://www.afsweb.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Christopher
> Hawkins
> Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 11:06 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Connecting to SQL from Access w/a single login?
>
>
> This is driving me nuts.  I know I did this a few years ago, but
> right now I'm totally stumped.
>
> A client of mine wrote himself an Access app for use around his
> office.  Eventually the back-end swelled up to 500MB and problems
> ensued, so they decided to go to SQL Server.  He upsized the database
> himself and then called me in to help get the Access front-end
> working against SQL Server.
>
> Here's my current issue; I want all the Access clients to use the
> same SQL Server login rather than having a unique SQL Server login
> for each domain account.
>
> I went ahead and created an AppUser login and gave it the appropriate
> permissions to the application database.  I have the AppUser login
> and password set in the ODBC DSN.  But whenever a user tries to
> connect, an error message appears stating that his domain login was
> not recognized by the SQL Server.  It's not even paying attention to
> the AppUser info.
>
> I'm surfing BOL right now, but haven't yet figured out what I missed.
> And I know I'm missing something.
>
> Any suggestions?
> Respectfully,
>
> Christopher Hawkins
> Software Developer
> (559) 687-7591
> http://www.christopherhawkins.com
>
>
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From BBarabash at TappeConstruction.com  Fri Sep 17 14:29:46 2004
From: BBarabash at TappeConstruction.com (Brett Barabash)
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 14:29:46 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Connecting to SQL from Access w/a single login?
Message-ID: <100F91B31300334B89EC531C9DCB0865065955@tccexch01.tappeconstruction.net>

To all who use NT authentication:
Do you (or your network admins) have any concerns about end users
potentially linking to the raw data in other apps?

For example, a savvy power user could easily setup an ODBC connection in
Excel/MS Query and directly query the table data.  If the database
relies on NT authentication, and the table is available to them, they
can link to the data directly.

I found this to be problemattic, since I don't really want my users
bypassing the business rules and manually generating their own reports
with sensitive data.

Christopher:
I had this problem a while back using SQL Server authentication on an
Access 2000 MDB file.  The problem is that the Access attach tables
dialog doesn't save the password info.  I was able to get around it by
writing the following DAO routine (make sure you have a DAO reference
set in your project).  This routine will loop through all of your
attached tables, and relink them using the specified UserID and
Password.

Public Sub FixAttachments(ByVal strServer As String, ByVal strUID As
String, ByVal strPWD As String)

    Dim db As DAO.Database
    Dim rs As DAO.Recordset
    Dim tdf As DAO.TableDef
    Dim strSQL As String
    
    Set db = DBEngine.Workspaces(0).Databases(0)
    strSQL = "SELECT MSysObjects.Name, " & _
        "MSysObjects.ForeignName, " & _
        "MSysObjects.Connect " & _
        "FROM MSysObjects " & _
        "WHERE MSysObjects.Type=4 " & _
        "ORDER BY MSysObjects.Name;"
    Set rs = db.OpenRecordset(strSQL, dbOpenSnapshot)
    
    db.TableDefs.Refresh
    
    Do Until rs.EOF
        Debug.Print rs!Name
        Set tdf = db.CreateTableDef(rs!Name)
        
        tdf.Connect = "ODBC;" & _
            ExtractArg(rs!Connect, "DRIVER") & ";" & _
            "SERVER=" & strServer & ";" & _
            ExtractArg(rs!Connect, "DATABASE") & ";" & _
            "UID=" & strUID & ";" & _
            "PWD=" & strPWD
            
        tdf.Attributes = dbAttachSavePWD
        tdf.SourceTableName = rs!ForeignName
        db.TableDefs.Delete rs!Name
        db.TableDefs.Append tdf
        
        rs.MoveNext
    Loop
    
    db.TableDefs.Refresh
    rs.Close

End Sub

Public Function ExtractArg(ByVal strIn As String, ByVal strName As
String) As String

    Dim lngPos As Long
    
    strIn = strIn & ";"
    lngPos = InStr(strIn, strName & "=")
    
    If lngPos > 0 Then
        ExtractArg = Mid$(strIn, lngPos, InStr(lngPos, strIn, ";") -
lngPos)
    End If

End Function


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
(AccessD)
Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 1:49 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Connecting to SQL from Access w/a single login?


Hi Christopher:

The SQL server has it's own way of dealing with access rights. They are
through an internal 'sa' type account or it is through 'NT
authentication'.

Traditionally, I only use the 'sa' accounts as a backdoor for an
administrator. Your best option would be to go with 'NT authentication'.

The setup is fairly easy, if network has a domain. Go to the main
server, login as an administrator, 'right-click' MyComputer (assuming a
Windows2000 system), select the 'Manage' option, choose 'Local Users and
Groups' then:
One; create a login group called something like 'sqlusers'.
Two; create or add individual login to the group.

Once all the appropriate users have been added to this group the access
the SQL Enterprise manager. 'EM'.
One; Expand the current SQL server, the 'Security' directory and the
'click'
on the logins icon.
Two; 'right mouse click', select 'New login' and, on the General tab,
from the popdown list select your 'sqlusers' group. Make sure that the
'Authentication' radio button is selected and the current domain/server
is visible.
Three; Go back to the 'Database' and 'MyDatabase' directory and
subdirectory and 'right mouse click' the users icon.
Four; Select 'New database user' and select the new group you have just
added from the popdown menu.

There is some clean up and defining to do but you have basically defined
access rights. Now all you do is attempt a connection at the point where
the user accesses the FE Access DB and if the connection fails, close
and exit the program.  (If you need a sample of code that will connect
to your server just request it.)

You will find this way very clean, secure and not intrusive to the
users.
This way is the only way I now ever setup user accounts.

HTH
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Christopher
Hawkins
Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 11:06 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Connecting to SQL from Access w/a single login?


This is driving me nuts.  I know I did this a few years ago, but right
now I'm totally stumped.

A client of mine wrote himself an Access app for use around his office.
Eventually the back-end swelled up to 500MB and problems ensued, so they
decided to go to SQL Server.  He upsized the database himself and then
called me in to help get the Access front-end working against SQL
Server.

Here's my current issue; I want all the Access clients to use the same
SQL Server login rather than having a unique SQL Server login for each
domain account.

I went ahead and created an AppUser login and gave it the appropriate
permissions to the application database.  I have the AppUser login and
password set in the ODBC DSN.  But whenever a user tries to connect, an
error message appears stating that his domain login was not recognized
by the SQL Server.  It's not even paying attention to the AppUser info.

I'm surfing BOL right now, but haven't yet figured out what I missed.
And I know I'm missing something.

Any suggestions?
Respectfully,

Christopher Hawkins
Software Developer
(559) 687-7591
http://www.christopherhawkins.com


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From mikedorism at adelphia.net  Fri Sep 17 14:47:42 2004
From: mikedorism at adelphia.net (Mike & Doris Manning)
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 15:47:42 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Connecting to SQL from Access w/a single login?
In-Reply-To: <100F91B31300334B89EC531C9DCB0865065955@tccexch01.tappeconstruction.net>
Message-ID: <000001c49cef$3296d8c0$2f08a845@hargrove.internal>

I don't because we use an ADP and 95% of our users have Office Standard/

Doris Manning
Database Administrator
Hargrove Inc.
www.hargroveinc.com


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brett Barabash
Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 3:30 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Connecting to SQL from Access w/a single login?


To all who use NT authentication:
Do you (or your network admins) have any concerns about end users
potentially linking to the raw data in other apps?

For example, a savvy power user could easily setup an ODBC connection in
Excel/MS Query and directly query the table data.  If the database relies on
NT authentication, and the table is available to them, they can link to the
data directly.

I found this to be problemattic, since I don't really want my users
bypassing the business rules and manually generating their own reports with
sensitive data.

Christopher:
I had this problem a while back using SQL Server authentication on an Access
2000 MDB file.  The problem is that the Access attach tables dialog doesn't
save the password info.  I was able to get around it by writing the
following DAO routine (make sure you have a DAO reference set in your
project).  This routine will loop through all of your attached tables, and
relink them using the specified UserID and Password.

Public Sub FixAttachments(ByVal strServer As String, ByVal strUID As String,
ByVal strPWD As String)

    Dim db As DAO.Database
    Dim rs As DAO.Recordset
    Dim tdf As DAO.TableDef
    Dim strSQL As String
    
    Set db = DBEngine.Workspaces(0).Databases(0)
    strSQL = "SELECT MSysObjects.Name, " & _
        "MSysObjects.ForeignName, " & _
        "MSysObjects.Connect " & _
        "FROM MSysObjects " & _
        "WHERE MSysObjects.Type=4 " & _
        "ORDER BY MSysObjects.Name;"
    Set rs = db.OpenRecordset(strSQL, dbOpenSnapshot)
    
    db.TableDefs.Refresh
    
    Do Until rs.EOF
        Debug.Print rs!Name
        Set tdf = db.CreateTableDef(rs!Name)
        
        tdf.Connect = "ODBC;" & _
            ExtractArg(rs!Connect, "DRIVER") & ";" & _
            "SERVER=" & strServer & ";" & _
            ExtractArg(rs!Connect, "DATABASE") & ";" & _
            "UID=" & strUID & ";" & _
            "PWD=" & strPWD
            
        tdf.Attributes = dbAttachSavePWD
        tdf.SourceTableName = rs!ForeignName
        db.TableDefs.Delete rs!Name
        db.TableDefs.Append tdf
        
        rs.MoveNext
    Loop
    
    db.TableDefs.Refresh
    rs.Close

End Sub

Public Function ExtractArg(ByVal strIn As String, ByVal strName As
String) As String

    Dim lngPos As Long
    
    strIn = strIn & ";"
    lngPos = InStr(strIn, strName & "=")
    
    If lngPos > 0 Then
        ExtractArg = Mid$(strIn, lngPos, InStr(lngPos, strIn, ";") -
lngPos)
    End If

End Function


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
(AccessD)
Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 1:49 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Connecting to SQL from Access w/a single login?


Hi Christopher:

The SQL server has it's own way of dealing with access rights. They are
through an internal 'sa' type account or it is through 'NT authentication'.

Traditionally, I only use the 'sa' accounts as a backdoor for an
administrator. Your best option would be to go with 'NT authentication'.

The setup is fairly easy, if network has a domain. Go to the main server,
login as an administrator, 'right-click' MyComputer (assuming a Windows2000
system), select the 'Manage' option, choose 'Local Users and Groups' then:
One; create a login group called something like 'sqlusers'. Two; create or
add individual login to the group.

Once all the appropriate users have been added to this group the access the
SQL Enterprise manager. 'EM'. One; Expand the current SQL server, the
'Security' directory and the 'click' on the logins icon. Two; 'right mouse
click', select 'New login' and, on the General tab, from the popdown list
select your 'sqlusers' group. Make sure that the 'Authentication' radio
button is selected and the current domain/server is visible. Three; Go back
to the 'Database' and 'MyDatabase' directory and subdirectory and 'right
mouse click' the users icon. Four; Select 'New database user' and select the
new group you have just added from the popdown menu.

There is some clean up and defining to do but you have basically defined
access rights. Now all you do is attempt a connection at the point where the
user accesses the FE Access DB and if the connection fails, close and exit
the program.  (If you need a sample of code that will connect to your server
just request it.)

You will find this way very clean, secure and not intrusive to the users.
This way is the only way I now ever setup user accounts.

HTH
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Christopher
Hawkins
Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 11:06 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Connecting to SQL from Access w/a single login?


This is driving me nuts.  I know I did this a few years ago, but right now
I'm totally stumped.

A client of mine wrote himself an Access app for use around his office.
Eventually the back-end swelled up to 500MB and problems ensued, so they
decided to go to SQL Server.  He upsized the database himself and then
called me in to help get the Access front-end working against SQL Server.

Here's my current issue; I want all the Access clients to use the same SQL
Server login rather than having a unique SQL Server login for each domain
account.

I went ahead and created an AppUser login and gave it the appropriate
permissions to the application database.  I have the AppUser login and
password set in the ODBC DSN.  But whenever a user tries to connect, an
error message appears stating that his domain login was not recognized by
the SQL Server.  It's not even paying attention to the AppUser info.

I'm surfing BOL right now, but haven't yet figured out what I missed. And I
know I'm missing something.

Any suggestions?
Respectfully,

Christopher Hawkins
Software Developer
(559) 687-7591
http://www.christopherhawkins.com


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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Fri Sep 17 15:25:57 2004
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 13:25:57 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] External IP Address of Local Machine
References: <000f01c49cb7$caa92f10$0200a8c0@COA3>
Message-ID: <414B4855.9000301@shaw.ca>

st_devic.html will probably only work for D-Link routers.


Steve Conklin (Developer at UltraDNT) wrote:

>Marty:
>Most cool, the third one, going to dynip, did the job.  
>
>The tracert didn't include mine, it just showed the ip's of my provider.
>The second method, as written, didn't work.  I assume its because my
>router is not using 0.1 ...  Routers cannot be counted on to use
>192.168.0.1; some are 0.0, 100.1, 1.1, etc.  (this early in the morning,
>I forget what mine is, but I'll try it later.)  Also, are these pages
>"industry standard"? All router mfgr's use these (like st_devic.html)?
>Anyway, if I used that, I'd need discovery code for the router first.
>
>Steve
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
>Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 1:46 AM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] External IP Address of Local Machine
>
>
>I tried a couple of other methods
>
>grabbing the ip entries from this created text file ; sort of slow even 
>with only 3 hops
>tracert -h 3 www.microsoft.com > testtrac.txt
>----------------------------------------
>If you are configuring your router thru http methods
>"http://192.168.0.1/st_devic.html"
>is supposed to give you the ip address
>but then you have to clear the cache
>use this to clear out IE cached pages for DSL router app. 
> 
>Private Declare Function DeleteUrlCacheEntry Lib "wininet.dll" Alias 
> 
>"DeleteUrlCacheEntryA" (ByVal lpszUrlName As String) As Long 
> 
>DeleteUrlCacheEntry "http://192.168.0.1/st_devic.html" 
> 
>DeleteUrlCacheEntry "http://192.168.0.1/st_stats.html" 
>----------------
>http://checkip.dyndns.org/
>can only use every 10 minutes otherwise site gets annoyed
>
>Dim objExplorer As Object
>Dim objDocument As Object
>Dim strComputer As String
>Dim objWMIService As Object
>Dim colLoggedEvents As Object
>Dim objEvent As Object
>Dim dtmDate As Variant
>Dim strReturn As String
>
>Set objExplorer = CreateObject("InternetExplorer.Application")
>'Set objDocument = objExplorer.Document
>objExplorer.Navigate "about:blank"
>objExplorer.Toolbar = 0
>objExplorer.StatusBar = 0
>objExplorer.Width = 800
>objExplorer.Height = 570
>objExplorer.Left = 0
>objExplorer.Top = 0
>objExplorer.Visible = 1
>
>objExplorer.Navigate "http://checkip.dyndns.org/"
>Do While (objExplorer.Busy)
>Loop
>Dim webtx As String
>Dim strHTML As String
>'Set objDocument = objExplorer.Document
>'objDocument.Open
>
>strHTML = objExplorer.Document.BODY.parentElement.outerHTML
> Debug.Print strHTML
>'parse the string here
>
>MsgBox "finished"
>Set objExplorer = Nothing
>Set objDocument = Nothing
>
>End Sub
>
>
>
>Steve Conklin (Developer at UltraDNT) wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Marty:
>>It iterated through about 6 times; most entries were blank, on about 
>>the 4th pass I got my DSN information, but it was also only showing the
>>    
>>
>
>  
>
>>LAN IP (192.168.x.x), not the WAN address.
>>
>>I found an external utility form the page Stuart suggested, it looks 
>>like I'll have to Shell that to know the user's external IP.  The 
>>Help/About mentions MFC classes, so its making Windows calls that
>>*should* be exposed somewhere as an API/DLL, but I haven't figured out 
>>how yet.
>>
>>
>>Steve
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
>>MartyConnelly
>>Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 1:54 PM
>>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] External IP Address of Local Machine
>>
>>
>>I am just curious as to what this WMI code would return working  
>>through
>>
>>a router
>>I get something like this without one. I have garbled numbers.
>>
>>DHCPEnabled: True
>>DHCPLeaseExpires: 13/09/2004 5:42:44 AM
>>DHCPLeaseObtained: 09/11/2004 5:42:50 AM
>>DHCPServer: 64.58.156.40
>>DNSDomain: gv.homecable.net
>>DNSHostName: MyComputer
>>DomainDNSRegistrationEnabled:
>>IPAddress: 24.344.56.566
>>IPAddresslen: 13
>>IPConnectionMetric: 30
>>IPEnabled: True
>>MACAddress: 00:3B:27:43:6A:D1
>>MTU:
>>
>>
>>Sub testnicconfigS()
>>'set reference to WMI for WinXP and 2000
>>'The Win32_NetworkAdapterConfiguration WMI class represents 'the 
>>attributes and behaviors of a network adapter. 'This class has been 
>>extended to include extra properties and methods 'that support the 
>>management of the TCP/IP and Internetworking Packet Exchange
>>(IPX) 'protocols (and are independent of the network adapter). Dim 
>>strComputer As String Dim objWMIService As Object Dim colitems As 
>>Object Dim objitem As Object On Error Resume Next 'there maybe multiple
>>    
>>
>
>  
>
>>Nic entries that are empty so skip them
>>
>>strComputer = "." 'default "." specifies local machine name Set 
>>objWMIService = GetObject("winmgmts:\\" & strComputer & "\root\cimv2") 
>>Set colitems = objWMIService.ExecQuery("Select * from 
>>Win32_NetworkAdapterConfiguration", , 48)
>>
>>For Each objitem In colitems
>>
>>   Debug.Print "DHCPEnabled: " & objitem.DHCPEnabled
>>   Debug.Print "DHCPLeaseExpires: " & WMIDateStringToDate
>>(objitem.DHCPLeaseExpires)
>>   Debug.Print "DHCPLeaseObtained: " & WMIDateStringToDate
>>(objitem.DHCPLeaseObtained)
>>   Debug.Print "DHCPServer: " & objitem.DHCPServer
>>   Debug.Print "DNSDomain: " & objitem.DNSDomain
>>
>>   Debug.Print "DNSHostName: " & objitem.DNSHostName
>>
>>   Debug.Print "DomainDNSRegistrationEnabled: " & 
>>objitem.DomainDNSRegistrationEnabled
>>
>>   Debug.Print "IPAddress: " & objitem.IPAddress(0)
>>      'this is an array like other undocumented entries
>>      'you will have to find by trial and error
>>      'although there is an isarray property somewhere
>>      Debug.Print "IPAddresslen: " & Len(objitem.IPAddress(0))
>>   Debug.Print "IPConnectionMetric: " & objitem.IPConnectionMetric
>>   Debug.Print "IPEnabled: " & objitem.IPEnabled
>>   Debug.Print "MACAddress: " & objitem.MACAddress
>>   Debug.Print "MTU: " & objitem.MTU
>>
>>Next
>>End Sub
>>Function WMIDateStringToDate(dtmInstallDate) As String 'WMI has an odd 
>>date format WMIDateStringToDate = CDate(Mid(dtmInstallDate, 5, 2) & "/"
>>    
>>
>
>  
>
>>& _ Mid(dtmInstallDate, 7, 2) & "/" & Left(dtmInstallDate, 4) _ & " " &
>>    
>>
>
>  
>
>>Mid(dtmInstallDate, 9, 2) & ":" & _ Mid(dtmInstallDate, 11, 2) & ":" & 
>>Mid(dtmInstallDate, _ 13, 2)) End Function
>>
>>
>>Erwin Craps - IT Helps wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>>    
>>
>>>Shields up is a test a webserver test, but just at the startpage 
>>>(before the test) you can see your dns name and ip address
>>>
>>>https://www.grc.com/x/ne.dll?bh0bkyd2
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve 
>>>Conklin
>>>(Developer at UltraDNT)
>>>Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 4:17 PM
>>>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>>>Subject: RE: [AccessD] External IP Address of Local Machine
>>>
>>>Thanks, Stuart.
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart 
>>>McLachlan
>>>Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 7:48 PM
>>>To: Access Developers discussion and problemsolving
>>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] External IP Address of Local Machine
>>>
>>>
>>>On 15 Sep 2004 at 18:55, Steve Conklin (Developer at UltraDNT) wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>   
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>>I am using WDSI, WinInet and various API's to get 2 Access
>>>>applications to send data to each other over FTP.  It is working
>>>>        
>>>>
>well,
>  
>
>>>>  
>>>>
>>>>     
>>>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>   
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>>but I want the server to be secure, that is to only allow 
>>>>logins/files
>>>>  
>>>>
>>>>     
>>>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>   
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>>to come from specific IP's. This is ok when I am sending, because I
>>>>know my IP, and I tell the client to allow my IP.  When I (hopefully)
>>>>        
>>>>
>
>  
>
>>>>sell a copy to the client's client, how can they easily determine
>>>>  
>>>>
>>>>     
>>>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>their IP?
>>>
>>>
>>>   
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>>I have looked at the Winsock API and can get remote IP's via Host
>>>>  
>>>>
>>>>     
>>>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>Name.
>>>
>>>
>>>   
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>>However, when I want to get the IP of the local PC, it returns the
>>>>192.168.x.x address; how can I get the external IP that the FTP
>>>>        
>>>>
>server
>  
>
>>>>  
>>>>
>>>>     
>>>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>   
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>>needs to know through VB/API?
>>>>
>>>>  
>>>>
>>>>     
>>>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>If you are working through a router, you can't since only the router 
>>>knows
>>>the external address..   The only way would be to bounce an HTML
>>>   
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>request
>> 
>>
>>    
>>
>>>of
>>>an external website and read the return data. There a numbder of
>>>freeware tools available on the web that do just that. See 
>>>http://www.snapfiles.com/freeware/network/fwip.html for examples
>>>
>>>
>>>If you're machine is directly connected to the Internet, you can 
>>>iterate
>>>
>>>through it's IP adddresses.
>>>
>>>Here's a module to do it (watch for linewrap)
>>>
>>>Option Compare Database
>>>Option Explicit
>>>
>>>Const MAX_IP = 5   'To make a buffer... i dont think you have more
>>>      
>>>
>than
>  
>
>>>5 ip on your pc..
>>>
>>>Type IPINFO
>>>   dwAddr As Long   ' IP address
>>>  dwIndex As Long '  interface index
>>>  dwMask As Long ' subnet mask
>>>  dwBCastAddr As Long ' broadcast address
>>>  dwReasmSize  As Long ' assembly size
>>>  unused1 As Integer ' not currently used
>>>  unused2 As Integer '; not currently used End Type
>>>
>>>Type MIB_IPADDRTABLE
>>>  dEntrys As Long   'number of entries in the table
>>>  mIPInfo(MAX_IP) As IPINFO  'array of IP address entries End Type
>>>
>>>Type IP_Array
>>>  mBuffer As MIB_IPADDRTABLE
>>>  BufferLen As Long
>>>End Type
>>>
>>>Public Declare Sub CopyMemory Lib "kernel32" Alias "RtlMoveMemory" 
>>>(Destination As Any, Source As Any, ByVal Length As Long) Public 
>>>Declare Function GetIpAddrTable Lib "IPHlpApi" (pIPAdrTable As Byte, 
>>>pdwSize As Long, ByVal Sort As Long) As Long
>>>
>>>
>>>Public Function ConvertAddressToString(longAddr As Long) As String
>>>  Dim myByte(3) As Byte
>>>  Dim Cnt As Long
>>>  CopyMemory myByte(0), longAddr, 4
>>>  For Cnt = 0 To 3
>>>      ConvertAddressToString = ConvertAddressToString +
>>>CStr(myByte(Cnt)) + "."
>>>  Next Cnt
>>>  ConvertAddressToString = Left$(ConvertAddressToString,
>>>Len(ConvertAddressToString) - 1) End Function
>>>
>>>Public Function IPAddresses() As Long
>>>Dim lngRetVal As Long
>>>Dim lngLoop As Long
>>>Dim bBytes() As Byte
>>>Dim IPList As MIB_IPADDRTABLE
>>>
>>>  GetIpAddrTable ByVal 0&, lngRetVal, True
>>>
>>>  If lngRetVal <= 0 Then Exit Function
>>>  ReDim bBytes(0 To lngRetVal - 1) As Byte
>>>  'retrieve the data
>>>  GetIpAddrTable bBytes(0), lngRetVal, False
>>>    
>>>  'Get the first 4 bytes to get the entry's.. ip installed
>>>  CopyMemory IPList.dEntrys, bBytes(0), 4
>>>
>>>  For lngLoop = 0 To IPList.dEntrys - 1
>>>      'Copy whole structure to Listing..
>>>      CopyMemory IPList.mIPInfo(lngLoop), bBytes(4 + (lngLoop * 
>>>Len(IPList.mIPInfo(0)))), Len(IPList.mIPInfo(lngLoop))
>>>       Debug.Print "IP address                   : " &
>>>ConvertAddressToString(IPList.mIPInfo(lngLoop).dwAddr)
>>>       Debug.Print "IP Subnetmask            : " &
>>>ConvertAddressToString(IPList.mIPInfo(lngLoop).dwMask)
>>>       Debug.Print "BroadCast IP address  : " &
>>>ConvertAddressToString(IPList.mIPInfo(lngLoop).dwBCastAddr)
>>>       Debug.Print "**************************************"
>>>  Next
>>>
>>>End Function
>>>
>>>
>>>--
>>>Stuart
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From clh at christopherhawkins.com  Fri Sep 17 17:19:43 2004
From: clh at christopherhawkins.com (Christopher Hawkins)
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 16:19:43 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Connecting to SQL from Access w/a single login?
Message-ID: <274490-22004951722194342@christopherhawkins.com>

Brett,

I'm using a similar routine currently.  I have a metadata table full
of information about the data tables.  It contains the localname,
path and sourceobject name of the table I'm linking to in SQL Server.
The actual linking is fine, but as you said remembering the password
is an issue.

Mind you, the password is in the metadata table.  But it seems to get
ignored.  Here is a sample of the string I'm using to create the link:

[code]
ODBC;DSN=MyDataSource;Description=My SQL Server
Date;UID=MyUser;PASSWORD=MyPassword;APP=Microsoft Office
2003;WSID=MyWorkstation;DATABASE=MyDatabaseName[/code]


Here's my function.  How can I ensure that the password that's baked
into the path gets remembered?  I'm thinking that there must be a way
to emulate checking the 'Remember Password' checkbox in the Linked
Table dialog.

[code]
Public Sub LinkTables()

' Given a database with no linked tables, this function
' will establish links to all tables enumerated in zTable
    
    Dim db As Database
    Dim rsTable As dao.Recordset
    Dim sSQL As String
    Dim tdAttach As TableDef
    
On Error GoTo Err_LinkTables

    Set db = CurrentDb
    
    sSQL = "SELECT * FROM zTable"
    
    Set rsTable = db.OpenRecordset(sSQL)
    
    rsTable.MoveFirst
    
    Do Until rsTable.EOF = True
        Debug.Print "Linking " & rsTable("TableName")
        Set tdAttach = db.CreateTableDef(rsTable("TableName"))
        ' Set the connection info in the tabledef object
        With tdAttach
            .Connect = rsTable("Path")
            .SourceTableName = rsTable("SourceTable")
            .Properties("ODBC: Remember Password") = True
        End With
    
        ' Append the new tabledef
        db.TableDefs.Append tdAttach
        rsTable.MoveNext
    Loop
    
Exit_LinkTables:
    Exit Sub

Err_LinkTables:
    If Err.Number = 3012 Then
        Resume Next
    Else
        MsgBox Err.Description
    End If
    Resume Exit_LinkTables
End Sub
[/code]

-C-

---- Original Message ----
From: BBarabash at tappeconstruction.com
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com, 
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Connecting to SQL from Access w/a single login?
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 14:29:46 -0500

>To all who use NT authentication:
>Do you (or your network admins) have any concerns about end users
>potentially linking to the raw data in other apps?
>
>For example, a savvy power user could easily setup an ODBC 
>connection in
>Excel/MS Query and directly query the table data.  If the database
>relies on NT authentication, and the table is available to them, they
>can link to the data directly.
>
>I found this to be problemattic, since I don't really want my users
>bypassing the business rules and manually generating their own 
>reports
>with sensitive data.
>
>Christopher:
>I had this problem a while back using SQL Server authentication on an
>Access 2000 MDB file.  The problem is that the Access attach tables
>dialog doesn't save the password info.  I was able to get around it 
>by
>writing the following DAO routine (make sure you have a DAO reference
>set in your project).  This routine will loop through all of your
>attached tables, and relink them using the specified UserID and
>Password.
>
>Public Sub FixAttachments(ByVal strServer As String, ByVal strUID As
>String, ByVal strPWD As String)
>
>    Dim db As DAO.Database
>    Dim rs As DAO.Recordset
>    Dim tdf As DAO.TableDef
>    Dim strSQL As String
>    
>    Set db = DBEngine.Workspaces(0).Databases(0)
>    strSQL = "SELECT MSysObjects.Name, " & _
>        "MSysObjects.ForeignName, " & _
>        "MSysObjects.Connect " & _
>        "FROM MSysObjects " & _
>        "WHERE MSysObjects.Type=4 " & _
>        "ORDER BY MSysObjects.Name;"
>    Set rs = db.OpenRecordset(strSQL, dbOpenSnapshot)
>    
>    db.TableDefs.Refresh
>    
>    Do Until rs.EOF
>        Debug.Print rs!Name
>        Set tdf = db.CreateTableDef(rs!Name)
>        
>        tdf.Connect = "ODBC;" & _
>            ExtractArg(rs!Connect, "DRIVER") & ";" & _
>            "SERVER=" & strServer & ";" & _
>            ExtractArg(rs!Connect, "DATABASE") & ";" & _
>            "UID=" & strUID & ";" & _
>            "PWD=" & strPWD
>            
>        tdf.Attributes = dbAttachSavePWD
>        tdf.SourceTableName = rs!ForeignName
>        db.TableDefs.Delete rs!Name
>        db.TableDefs.Append tdf
>        
>        rs.MoveNext
>    Loop
>    
>    db.TableDefs.Refresh
>    rs.Close
>
>End Sub
>
>Public Function ExtractArg(ByVal strIn As String, ByVal strName As
>String) As String
>
>    Dim lngPos As Long
>    
>    strIn = strIn & ";"
>    lngPos = InStr(strIn, strName & "=")
>    
>    If lngPos > 0 Then
>        ExtractArg = Mid$(strIn, lngPos, InStr(lngPos, strIn, ";") -
>lngPos)
>    End If
>
>End Function
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim 
>Lawrence
>(AccessD)
>Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 1:49 PM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Connecting to SQL from Access w/a single 
>login?
>
>
>Hi Christopher:
>
>The SQL server has it's own way of dealing with access rights. They 
>are
>through an internal 'sa' type account or it is through 'NT
>authentication'.
>
>Traditionally, I only use the 'sa' accounts as a backdoor for an
>administrator. Your best option would be to go with 'NT 
>authentication'.
>
>The setup is fairly easy, if network has a domain. Go to the main
>server, login as an administrator, 'right-click' MyComputer 
>(assuming a
>Windows2000 system), select the 'Manage' option, choose 'Local Users 
>and
>Groups' then:
>One; create a login group called something like 'sqlusers'.
>Two; create or add individual login to the group.
>
>Once all the appropriate users have been added to this group the 
>access
>the SQL Enterprise manager. 'EM'.
>One; Expand the current SQL server, the 'Security' directory and the
>'click'
>on the logins icon.
>Two; 'right mouse click', select 'New login' and, on the General tab,
>from the popdown list select your 'sqlusers' group. Make sure that 
>the
>'Authentication' radio button is selected and the current 
>domain/server
>is visible.
>Three; Go back to the 'Database' and 'MyDatabase' directory and
>subdirectory and 'right mouse click' the users icon.
>Four; Select 'New database user' and select the new group you have 
>just
>added from the popdown menu.
>
>There is some clean up and defining to do but you have basically 
>defined
>access rights. Now all you do is attempt a connection at the point 
>where
>the user accesses the FE Access DB and if the connection fails, close
>and exit the program.  (If you need a sample of code that will 
>connect
>to your server just request it.)
>
>You will find this way very clean, secure and not intrusive to the
>users.
>This way is the only way I now ever setup user accounts.
>
>HTH
>Jim
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Christopher
>Hawkins
>Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 11:06 AM
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: [AccessD] Connecting to SQL from Access w/a single login?
>
>
>This is driving me nuts.  I know I did this a few years ago, but 
>right
>now I'm totally stumped.
>
>A client of mine wrote himself an Access app for use around his 
>office.
>Eventually the back-end swelled up to 500MB and problems ensued, so 
>they
>decided to go to SQL Server.  He upsized the database himself and 
>then
>called me in to help get the Access front-end working against SQL
>Server.
>
>Here's my current issue; I want all the Access clients to use the 
>same
>SQL Server login rather than having a unique SQL Server login for 
>each
>domain account.
>
>I went ahead and created an AppUser login and gave it the appropriate
>permissions to the application database.  I have the AppUser login 
>and
>password set in the ODBC DSN.  But whenever a user tries to connect, 
>an
>error message appears stating that his domain login was not 
>recognized
>by the SQL Server.  It's not even paying attention to the AppUser 
>info.
>
>I'm surfing BOL right now, but haven't yet figured out what I missed.
>And I know I'm missing something.
>
>Any suggestions?
>Respectfully,
>
>Christopher Hawkins
>Software Developer
>(559) 687-7591
>http://www.christopherhawkins.com
>
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Sep 17 21:00:25 2004
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 22:00:25 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] If you need storage - Check this deal
In-Reply-To: <b874372a04091508282c258b05@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001901c49d23$46a919c0$e8dafea9@ColbyM6805>

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From starkey at wanadoo.nl  Sat Sep 18 04:05:04 2004
From: starkey at wanadoo.nl (StaRKeY)
Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 11:05:04 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Connecting to SQL from Access w/a single login?
In-Reply-To: <191490-2200495171853536@christopherhawkins.com>
Message-ID: <20040918090159.9082B1820A@smtp6.wanadoo.nl>

Hi Christopher, 

Have you also given an Applicationrole some thought? This has the advantage
over an AppUser that you are still able recognise the true connected user in
case you'd need this plus it's pretty practical since no users have to be
given any rights but being able to connect to the specific SQL database. By
giving the applicationrole all the nescessary rights you achive the same
goal as by using a single user account but more flexible.

I'm using it at this moment in an adp using ADO for all the data
manipulation/views and it's working like a charme.. Nice touch is that the
'access datasheet look & feel' can be kept while all forms/sheets are
unbound!


Regards, 
Eric Starkenburg 

-----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- 
Van: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Namens Christopher Hawkins 
Verzonden: vrijdag 17 september 2004 20:06 
Aan: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Onderwerp: [AccessD] Connecting to SQL from Access w/a single login? 

This is driving me nuts.  I know I did this a few years ago, but right now
I'm totally stumped. 

A client of mine wrote himself an Access app for use around his office.
Eventually the back-end swelled up to 500MB and problems ensued, so they
decided to go to SQL Server.  He upsized the database himself and then
called me in to help get the Access front-end working against SQL Server.

Here's my current issue; I want all the Access clients to use the same SQL
Server login rather than having a unique SQL Server login for each domain
account.

I went ahead and created an AppUser login and gave it the appropriate
permissions to the application database.  I have the AppUser login and
password set in the ODBC DSN.  But whenever a user tries to connect, an
error message appears stating that his domain login was not recognized by
the SQL Server.  It's not even paying attention to the AppUser info.

I'm surfing BOL right now, but haven't yet figured out what I missed. 
And I know I'm missing something. 

Any suggestions? 
Respectfully, 

Christopher Hawkins 
Software Developer 
(559) 687-7591 
http://www.christopherhawkins.com 


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From barbara.march at surveyrisk.co.uk  Sat Sep 18 10:28:36 2004
From: barbara.march at surveyrisk.co.uk (Barbara March)
Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 16:28:36 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Gmail Invite (D)
In-Reply-To: <20040917181707.78818.qmail@web50804.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <E1C8h8A-0005vk-00@mrvdomng.kundenserver.de>

Yes please

Barbara (^-^)/
UK 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of dan williams
Sent: Friday 17 September 2004 19:17
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Gmail Invite (D)

sure would like one please
--- Jeff Barrows <Jeff at outbaktech.com> wrote:

> On its way!   Anyone else?
> 
> Jeff Barrows
> MCP, MCAD, MCSD
>  
> Outbak Technologies, LLC
> Racine, WI
> jeff at outbaktech.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Steven W. Erbach [mailto:serbach at new.rr.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 10:22 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Gmail Invite (D)
> 
> Jeff,
> 
> >> Are you looking for a GMail invite? <<
> 
> Well, sure, if ya got one one 'a dem dere tings, eh?
> 
> Steve Erbach
> Neenah, WI
> 
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sat Sep 18 13:14:37 2004
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence (AccessD))
Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 11:14:37 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] GDI updates
In-Reply-To: <001901c49d23$46a919c0$e8dafea9@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <FJEJLIPOMCGJALMGLLLIKEOCCGAA.accessd@shaw.ca>

Hi All:

Has anyone heard of Microsoft's GDI update tools before...ramification?
http://www.microsoft.com/security/bulletins/200409_jpeg_tool.mspx

Jim


From BBarabash at TappeConstruction.com  Sat Sep 18 14:27:14 2004
From: BBarabash at TappeConstruction.com (Brett Barabash)
Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 14:27:14 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Connecting to SQL from Access w/a single login?
Message-ID: <100F91B31300334B89EC531C9DCB086506595D@tccexch01.tappeconstruction.net>

Try setting tdAttach.Attributes = dbAttachSavePWD

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Christopher
Hawkins
Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 5:20 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Connecting to SQL from Access w/a single login?

Brett,

I'm using a similar routine currently.  I have a metadata table full of
information about the data tables.  It contains the localname, path and
sourceobject name of the table I'm linking to in SQL Server.
The actual linking is fine, but as you said remembering the password is
an issue.

Mind you, the password is in the metadata table.  But it seems to get
ignored.  Here is a sample of the string I'm using to create the link:

[code]
ODBC;DSN=MyDataSource;Description=My SQL Server
Date;UID=MyUser;PASSWORD=MyPassword;APP=Microsoft Office
2003;WSID=MyWorkstation;DATABASE=MyDatabaseName[/code]


Here's my function.  How can I ensure that the password that's baked
into the path gets remembered?  I'm thinking that there must be a way to
emulate checking the 'Remember Password' checkbox in the Linked Table
dialog.

[code]
Public Sub LinkTables()

' Given a database with no linked tables, this function ' will establish
links to all tables enumerated in zTable
    
    Dim db As Database
    Dim rsTable As dao.Recordset
    Dim sSQL As String
    Dim tdAttach As TableDef
    
On Error GoTo Err_LinkTables

    Set db = CurrentDb
    
    sSQL = "SELECT * FROM zTable"
    
    Set rsTable = db.OpenRecordset(sSQL)
    
    rsTable.MoveFirst
    
    Do Until rsTable.EOF = True
        Debug.Print "Linking " & rsTable("TableName")
        Set tdAttach = db.CreateTableDef(rsTable("TableName"))
        ' Set the connection info in the tabledef object
        With tdAttach
            .Connect = rsTable("Path")
            .SourceTableName = rsTable("SourceTable")
            .Properties("ODBC: Remember Password") = True
        End With
    
        ' Append the new tabledef
        db.TableDefs.Append tdAttach
        rsTable.MoveNext
    Loop
    
Exit_LinkTables:
    Exit Sub

Err_LinkTables:
    If Err.Number = 3012 Then
        Resume Next
    Else
        MsgBox Err.Description
    End If
    Resume Exit_LinkTables
End Sub
[/code]

-C-

---- Original Message ----
From: BBarabash at tappeconstruction.com
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com,
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Connecting to SQL from Access w/a single login?
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 14:29:46 -0500

>To all who use NT authentication:
>Do you (or your network admins) have any concerns about end users 
>potentially linking to the raw data in other apps?
>
>For example, a savvy power user could easily setup an ODBC connection 
>in Excel/MS Query and directly query the table data.  If the database 
>relies on NT authentication, and the table is available to them, they 
>can link to the data directly.
>
>I found this to be problemattic, since I don't really want my users 
>bypassing the business rules and manually generating their own reports 
>with sensitive data.
>
>Christopher:
>I had this problem a while back using SQL Server authentication on an 
>Access 2000 MDB file.  The problem is that the Access attach tables 
>dialog doesn't save the password info.  I was able to get around it by 
>writing the following DAO routine (make sure you have a DAO reference 
>set in your project).  This routine will loop through all of your 
>attached tables, and relink them using the specified UserID and 
>Password.
>
>Public Sub FixAttachments(ByVal strServer As String, ByVal strUID As 
>String, ByVal strPWD As String)
>
>    Dim db As DAO.Database
>    Dim rs As DAO.Recordset
>    Dim tdf As DAO.TableDef
>    Dim strSQL As String
>    
>    Set db = DBEngine.Workspaces(0).Databases(0)
>    strSQL = "SELECT MSysObjects.Name, " & _
>        "MSysObjects.ForeignName, " & _
>        "MSysObjects.Connect " & _
>        "FROM MSysObjects " & _
>        "WHERE MSysObjects.Type=4 " & _
>        "ORDER BY MSysObjects.Name;"
>    Set rs = db.OpenRecordset(strSQL, dbOpenSnapshot)
>    
>    db.TableDefs.Refresh
>    
>    Do Until rs.EOF
>        Debug.Print rs!Name
>        Set tdf = db.CreateTableDef(rs!Name)
>        
>        tdf.Connect = "ODBC;" & _
>            ExtractArg(rs!Connect, "DRIVER") & ";" & _
>            "SERVER=" & strServer & ";" & _
>            ExtractArg(rs!Connect, "DATABASE") & ";" & _
>            "UID=" & strUID & ";" & _
>            "PWD=" & strPWD
>            
>        tdf.Attributes = dbAttachSavePWD
>        tdf.SourceTableName = rs!ForeignName
>        db.TableDefs.Delete rs!Name
>        db.TableDefs.Append tdf
>        
>        rs.MoveNext
>    Loop
>    
>    db.TableDefs.Refresh
>    rs.Close
>
>End Sub
>
>Public Function ExtractArg(ByVal strIn As String, ByVal strName As
>String) As String
>
>    Dim lngPos As Long
>    
>    strIn = strIn & ";"
>    lngPos = InStr(strIn, strName & "=")
>    
>    If lngPos > 0 Then
>        ExtractArg = Mid$(strIn, lngPos, InStr(lngPos, strIn, ";") -
>lngPos)
>    End If
>
>End Function
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
>(AccessD)
>Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 1:49 PM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Connecting to SQL from Access w/a single login?
>
>
>Hi Christopher:
>
>The SQL server has it's own way of dealing with access rights. They are

>through an internal 'sa' type account or it is through 'NT 
>authentication'.
>
>Traditionally, I only use the 'sa' accounts as a backdoor for an 
>administrator. Your best option would be to go with 'NT 
>authentication'.
>
>The setup is fairly easy, if network has a domain. Go to the main 
>server, login as an administrator, 'right-click' MyComputer (assuming a

>Windows2000 system), select the 'Manage' option, choose 'Local Users 
>and Groups' then:
>One; create a login group called something like 'sqlusers'.
>Two; create or add individual login to the group.
>
>Once all the appropriate users have been added to this group the access

>the SQL Enterprise manager. 'EM'.
>One; Expand the current SQL server, the 'Security' directory and the 
>'click'
>on the logins icon.
>Two; 'right mouse click', select 'New login' and, on the General tab, 
>from the popdown list select your 'sqlusers' group. Make sure that the 
>'Authentication' radio button is selected and the current domain/server

>is visible.
>Three; Go back to the 'Database' and 'MyDatabase' directory and 
>subdirectory and 'right mouse click' the users icon.
>Four; Select 'New database user' and select the new group you have just

>added from the popdown menu.
>
>There is some clean up and defining to do but you have basically 
>defined access rights. Now all you do is attempt a connection at the 
>point where the user accesses the FE Access DB and if the connection 
>fails, close and exit the program.  (If you need a sample of code that 
>will connect to your server just request it.)
>
>You will find this way very clean, secure and not intrusive to the 
>users.
>This way is the only way I now ever setup user accounts.
>
>HTH
>Jim
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Christopher 
>Hawkins
>Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 11:06 AM
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: [AccessD] Connecting to SQL from Access w/a single login?
>
>
>This is driving me nuts.  I know I did this a few years ago, but right 
>now I'm totally stumped.
>
>A client of mine wrote himself an Access app for use around his office.
>Eventually the back-end swelled up to 500MB and problems ensued, so 
>they decided to go to SQL Server.  He upsized the database himself and 
>then called me in to help get the Access front-end working against SQL 
>Server.
>
>Here's my current issue; I want all the Access clients to use the same 
>SQL Server login rather than having a unique SQL Server login for each 
>domain account.
>
>I went ahead and created an AppUser login and gave it the appropriate 
>permissions to the application database.  I have the AppUser login and 
>password set in the ODBC DSN.  But whenever a user tries to connect, an

>error message appears stating that his domain login was not recognized 
>by the SQL Server.  It's not even paying attention to the AppUser info.
>
>I'm surfing BOL right now, but haven't yet figured out what I missed.
>And I know I'm missing something.
>
>Any suggestions?
>Respectfully,
>
>Christopher Hawkins
>Software Developer
>(559) 687-7591
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sat Sep 18 17:25:48 2004
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 08:25:48 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] GDI updates
In-Reply-To: <FJEJLIPOMCGJALMGLLLIKEOCCGAA.accessd@shaw.ca>
References: <001901c49d23$46a919c0$e8dafea9@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <414D428C.13099.12D2CB34@lexacorp.com.pg>

On 18 Sep 2004 at 11:14, Jim Lawrence (AccessD) wrote:

> Hi All:
> 
> Has anyone heard of Microsoft's GDI update tools before...ramification?
> http://www.microsoft.com/security/bulletins/200409_jpeg_tool.mspx
> 
It's a patch to fix a recently identified security flaw in the handling of 
jpeg images.   A specially craffted jpg image can contain code that will be 
executed.

Grab it.

 -- 
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sun Sep 19 00:58:28 2004
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 01:58:28 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] test
In-Reply-To: <001901c49d23$46a919c0$e8dafea9@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <002b01c49e0d$b27d3510$e8dafea9@ColbyM6805>

Nothing today from any of our lists.  Just a quiet day?

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 




From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Sun Sep 19 05:06:05 2004
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 11:06:05 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] test
In-Reply-To: <002b01c49e0d$b27d3510$e8dafea9@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <000901c49e30$47007e50$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25>

I reckon so. Morning John.

-- Andy Lacey
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> Sent: 19 September 2004 06:58
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> Subject: [AccessD] test
> 
> 
> Nothing today from any of our lists.  Just a quiet day?
> 
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sun Sep 19 08:22:14 2004
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence (AccessD))
Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 06:22:14 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] GDI updates
In-Reply-To: <414D428C.13099.12D2CB34@lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <FJEJLIPOMCGJALMGLLLICEOFCGAA.accessd@shaw.ca>

Who would have guessed it? Is nothing safe or sacred.

Thanks
Jim

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Stuart
McLachlan
Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2004 3:26 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] GDI updates


On 18 Sep 2004 at 11:14, Jim Lawrence (AccessD) wrote:

> Hi All:
>
> Has anyone heard of Microsoft's GDI update tools before...ramification?
> http://www.microsoft.com/security/bulletins/200409_jpeg_tool.mspx
>
It's a patch to fix a recently identified security flaw in the handling of
jpeg images.   A specially craffted jpg image can contain code that will be
executed.

Grab it.

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From gustav at cactus.dk  Sun Sep 19 09:56:09 2004
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 16:56:09 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Connecting to SQL from Access w/a single login?
In-Reply-To: <100F91B31300334B89EC531C9DCB086506595D@tccexch01.tappeconstruction.net>
References: <100F91B31300334B89EC531C9DCB086506595D@tccexch01.tappeconstruction.net>
Message-ID: <706286609.20040919165609@cactus.dk>

Hi Brett

> Try setting tdAttach.Attributes = dbAttachSavePWD

First, I think this is for attached Jet databases only.
Second, I guess this should be:

  tdAttach.Attributes = tdAttach.Attributes Or dbAttachSavePWD

or you would kill any other attribute (or raise an error).

Also, this should not be necessary:

>    Do Until rs.EOF
>        Debug.Print rs!Name
>        Set tdf = db.CreateTableDef(rs!Name)
>        
>        tdf.Connect = "ODBC;" & _
>            ExtractArg(rs!Connect, "DRIVER") & ";" & _
>            "SERVER=" & strServer & ";" & _
>            ExtractArg(rs!Connect, "DATABASE") & ";" & _
>            "UID=" & strUID & ";" & _
>            "PWD=" & strPWD
>            
>        tdf.Attributes = dbAttachSavePWD
>        tdf.SourceTableName = rs!ForeignName
>        db.TableDefs.Delete rs!Name
>        db.TableDefs.Append tdf
>        
>        rs.MoveNext
>    Loop

A Refresh is normally fine (and faster):

       Set tdf = db.TableDefs(rs!Name)
       tdf.Connect = "ODBC;" & _ ...
       tdf.Attributes = dbAttachSavePWD
       tdf.SourceTableName = rs!ForeignName
       tdf.Refresh

/gustav


> I'm using a similar routine currently.  I have a metadata table full of
> information about the data tables.  It contains the localname, path and
> sourceobject name of the table I'm linking to in SQL Server.
> The actual linking is fine, but as you said remembering the password is
> an issue.



From gustav at cactus.dk  Sun Sep 19 10:01:36 2004
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 17:01:36 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Connecting to SQL from Access w/a single login?
In-Reply-To: <274490-22004951722194342@christopherhawkins.com>
References: <274490-22004951722194342@christopherhawkins.com>
Message-ID: <1646613790.20040919170136@cactus.dk>

Hi Christopher

How are you looking for the password?

It will not be present in the Msys-tables but should be present in the
Connect property of the tabledef.

/gustav


> Mind you, the password is in the metadata table.  But it seems to get
> ignored.  Here is a sample of the string I'm using to create the link:

> [code]
> ODBC;DSN=MyDataSource;Description=My SQL Server
> Date;UID=MyUser;PASSWORD=MyPassword;APP=Microsoft Office
> 2003;WSID=MyWorkstation;DATABASE=MyDatabaseName[/code]

> Here's my function.  How can I ensure that the password that's baked
> into the path gets remembered?  I'm thinking that there must be a way
> to emulate checking the 'Remember Password' checkbox in the Linked
> Table dialog.



From Joe_Hecht at earthlink.net  Sun Sep 19 16:02:25 2004
From: Joe_Hecht at earthlink.net (Joe Hecht)
Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 14:02:25 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] test
In-Reply-To: <002b01c49e0d$b27d3510$e8dafea9@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <001001c49e8b$f9e89ab0$6401a8c0@delllaptop>

yups

JOE HECHT
LOS ANGELES CA 
 jmhla at earthlink.net

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Nothing today from any of our lists.  Just a quiet day?

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From forefront at ig.com.br  Sat Sep 18 19:23:48 2004
From: forefront at ig.com.br (Forefront)
Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 21:23:48 -0300
Subject: [AccessD] .TIFF Image of Report Pages
In-Reply-To: <100F91B31300334B89EC531C9DCB0865065951@tccexch01.tappeconstruction.net>
References: <100F91B31300334B89EC531C9DCB0865065951@tccexch01.tappeconstruction.net>
Message-ID: <414CD194.3020808@ig.com.br>

Brett Barabash wrote:
> GhostScript is free (but quite involved to setup).  PDF995 is based off
> of GhostScript, and charges $9.95 for the reduced headaches.  
> 
> Differences between a PDF995 created document and an Adobe Acrobat
> document are minimal (Gustav pointed out a few minor differences, should
> be in the archives).
> 
> I would recommend PDF995 as an almost-free PDF alternative.
> 

CutePDF and PrimoPDF are also good alternatives to PDF995.
;-)
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From john at winhaven.net  Mon Sep 20 09:35:31 2004
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 09:35:31 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] .TIFF Image of Report Pages
In-Reply-To: <BA209D7D3A20BE499AB726E4ED7A6DA1FCB73A@nprdex02.nns.com>
Message-ID: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIOEOGFOAA.john@winhaven.net>

Mark,
I've seen situations where things were being done in a rather labor
intensive, inefficient manner just as you describe. I've proposed better
solutions and people have initially gotten a bit excited about the idea but
in the end they kept doing it the same way. Sooo. I'd say you're going to
get to labeled as:

1. a genius :-)
2. a lazy tehcno-geek who thinks the computers can do everything but doesn't
realize that not everybody can run the computers as well as you (i.e. the
scanner staff would have to be trained to run the software to do this-it
would be too efficient to just have the engineers do it.) ;-)
3. a trouble maker who is trying to put all those people with jobs in the
scanning section out of work! :-(

John

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Mitsules, Mark
S. (Newport News)
Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 6:50 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] .TIFF Image of Report Pages


Many thanks to you all.

After a little research into how other divisions have handled this creation
of .tiff files from AutoCAD .dwg files, I'm a little disappointed.  I mean
that, just on the hint that we might have to take over this responsibility,
it has only taken 12 hours for you kind folks to provide a multitude of
viable options.  What scares me is that some divisions are actually doing
this manually by scanning a hard copy.

So, in comparison, would I be considered lazy or efficient for wanting a
better way?  ;)


Mark


-----Original Message-----
From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk]
Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 11:36 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] .TIFF Image of Report Pages


Hi Mark

The "Print To Picture" printer driver:

  http://progrex.narod.ru/ptp.html

can output to PCX, BMP, or PNG files.
Then you can convert to TIFF.

/gustav


> Does anyone have any brilliant ideas on how I could automatically generate
a
> .tiff image for each page in a report?

> Background: Our company stores issued drawings in .tiff format.  In the
> past, drawings have been scanned in manually in a reproduction department.
> Currently, I issue drawings using Access reports.  It has been suggested
> that the .tiff creation MAY fall to the engineering department.

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From BBarabash at TappeConstruction.com  Mon Sep 20 09:59:48 2004
From: BBarabash at TappeConstruction.com (Brett Barabash)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 09:59:48 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Connecting to SQL from Access w/a single login?
Message-ID: <100F91B31300334B89EC531C9DCB086506595F@tccexch01.tappeconstruction.net>

>First, I think this is for attached Jet databases only.
No, I have used this extensively for attaching to our SQL Server 2000
databases.

>Second, I guess this should be:
>tdAttach.Attributes = tdAttach.Attributes Or dbAttachSavePWD
Good point.

>Also, this should not be necessary: <snip>
A couple of points here:
1. The TableDef object doesn't have a Refresh method.  Perhaps
RefreshLink?
2. If you try this, omit the tdf.SourceTableName = rs!ForeignName line.
It blows up.
3. I can't remember the exact reason why I dropped and recreated the
table.  I can recall trying the simple update and RefreshLink but had
difficulties.  Can't remember much more than that.  Seems to work OK
now, though.


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2004 9:56 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Connecting to SQL from Access w/a single login?


Hi Brett

> Try setting tdAttach.Attributes = dbAttachSavePWD

First, I think this is for attached Jet databases only.
Second, I guess this should be:

  tdAttach.Attributes = tdAttach.Attributes Or dbAttachSavePWD

or you would kill any other attribute (or raise an error).

Also, this should not be necessary:

>    Do Until rs.EOF
>        Debug.Print rs!Name
>        Set tdf = db.CreateTableDef(rs!Name)
>        
>        tdf.Connect = "ODBC;" & _
>            ExtractArg(rs!Connect, "DRIVER") & ";" & _
>            "SERVER=" & strServer & ";" & _
>            ExtractArg(rs!Connect, "DATABASE") & ";" & _
>            "UID=" & strUID & ";" & _
>            "PWD=" & strPWD
>            
>        tdf.Attributes = dbAttachSavePWD
>        tdf.SourceTableName = rs!ForeignName
>        db.TableDefs.Delete rs!Name
>        db.TableDefs.Append tdf
>        
>        rs.MoveNext
>    Loop

A Refresh is normally fine (and faster):

       Set tdf = db.TableDefs(rs!Name)
       tdf.Connect = "ODBC;" & _ ...
       tdf.Attributes = dbAttachSavePWD
       tdf.SourceTableName = rs!ForeignName
       tdf.Refresh

/gustav


> I'm using a similar routine currently.  I have a metadata table full 
> of information about the data tables.  It contains the localname, path

> and sourceobject name of the table I'm linking to in SQL Server.
> The actual linking is fine, but as you said remembering the password 
> is an issue.

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From Drawbridge.Jack at ic.gc.ca  Mon Sep 20 11:04:47 2004
From: Drawbridge.Jack at ic.gc.ca (Drawbridge.Jack at ic.gc.ca)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 12:04:47 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Problem with code to change field data type in vba
Message-ID: <0F3AFAE449DD4A40BED8B6C4A97ABF5B15B360@MSG-MB3.icent.ic.gc.ca>

Here's code that could do the job, but I'd be real cautious about losing
existing data.

Private Sub TestThis()
Dim fld As Field
Dim dbs As DATABASE
Dim tbl As TableDef

Set dbs = CurrentDb()
'
'== Do the DATATYPE Change to Integer
'
For Each tbl In dbs.TableDefs
 If Left$(tbl.NAME, 2) = "t_" Then
    For Each fld In tbl.Fields
        If fld.NAME <> "t_proj" And fld.NAME <> "t_pt" And _
           fld.NAME <> "t_plink" And fld.NAME <> "ptlink" _
           And fld.NAME <> "t_species" Then
            Debug.Print "Before change:  - " & tbl.NAME & "   - field Name
/Type : " & fld.NAME & "/" & fld.Type
           
    dbs.Execute "ALTER TABLE " & tbl.NAME _
        & " DROP column " & fld.NAME & ";"
    dbs.Execute "ALTER TABLE " & tbl.NAME _
        & " Add column " & fld.NAME & " integer;"
            'Debug.Print "After change:  - " & tbl.NAME & "   - field Name
/Type : " & fld.NAME & "/" & fld.Type
        Else
        End If
    Next fld
 Else
 End If
Next tbl
dbs.Close
'
'===CHECK The results of datatype change ==============

Set dbs = CurrentDb
For Each tbl In dbs.TableDefs
 If Left$(tbl.NAME, 2) = "t_" Then
    For Each fld In tbl.Fields
        If fld.NAME <> "t_proj" And fld.NAME <> "t_pt" And _
           fld.NAME <> "t_plink" And fld.NAME <> "ptlink" _
           And fld.NAME <> "t_species" Then
    Debug.Print "After change:  - " & tbl.NAME & "   - field Name /Type : "
& fld.NAME & "/" & fld.Type
        Else
        End If
    Next fld
 Else
 End If
Next tbl

Beep
MsgBox "Done"
dbs.Close
End Sub


jack
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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Paul Black
Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 6:17 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Problem with code to change field data type in vba


Hi

I using Access 97 and can not get the following to work:

Private Sub Command0_Click()
Dim fld As Field
Dim dbs As Database
Dim tbl As TableDef

Set dbs = CurrentDb()
For Each fld In tbl.Fields
    If Left$(tbl.Name, 2) = "t_" And fld <> "t_proj" And fld <> "t_pt" And 
fld <> "t_plink" And fld <> "ptlink" And fld <> "t_species" Then
        fld.Type = dbInteger
    End If
Next fld

Beep
MsgBox "Done"
End Sub

It is supposed to change the field data type to integer from text. All field

names to change begin with 't_' excluding certain fields listed above. I 
keep getting an error:

Runtime error '91'
Object Variable or With Block variable not set

Other than the excluded fields above all the data conatined in the fields is

numeric or has a Null value... but it is in a text field. The data is coming

to me off of a Pocket PC and it won't let me change the field type to 
numeric.

Please help me solve this.

Thanks

PB

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From DElam at jenkens.com  Mon Sep 20 14:30:08 2004
From: DElam at jenkens.com (Elam, Debbie)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 14:30:08 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] ADPs and Exclusive Access Warnings
Message-ID: <7B1961ED924D1A459E378C9B1BB22B4C0248548D@natexch.jenkens.com>

I have 2 different .adps created in Access 2002.  Both of these are giving a
message "You do not have exclusive access at this time...."  In both
instances, the user should not be saving any changes to the database anyhow.
I do not understand why these are popping up.  Personally I would just
prefer to suppress the message, but set warnings to false does not do the
trick.  Any ideas on either preventing the message, or simply suppressing it
from displaying?

Debbie
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From fhtapia at gmail.com  Mon Sep 20 14:48:27 2004
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 12:48:27 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] ADPs and Exclusive Access Warnings
In-Reply-To: <7B1961ED924D1A459E378C9B1BB22B4C0248548D@natexch.jenkens.com>
References: <7B1961ED924D1A459E378C9B1BB22B4C0248548D@natexch.jenkens.com>
Message-ID: <b874372a040920124868c36565@mail.gmail.com>

are you sharing the ADP w/ anyone?


On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 14:30:08 -0500, Elam, Debbie <delam at jenkens.com> wrote:
> I have 2 different .adps created in Access 2002.  Both of these are giving a
> message "You do not have exclusive access at this time...."  In both
> instances, the user should not be saving any changes to the database anyhow.
> I do not understand why these are popping up.  Personally I would just
> prefer to suppress the message, but set warnings to false does not do the
> trick.  Any ideas on either preventing the message, or simply suppressing it
> from displaying?
> 
> Debbie
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From DElam at jenkens.com  Mon Sep 20 15:13:21 2004
From: DElam at jenkens.com (Elam, Debbie)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 15:13:21 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] ADPs and Exclusive Access Warnings
Message-ID: <7B1961ED924D1A459E378C9B1BB22B4C0248548F@natexch.jenkens.com>

Both adps are shared with several people.  I normally try to put front ends
on the computer, rather than share to the network, but for a variety of
reasons that is impractical in this case.

Debbie

-----Original Message-----
From: Francisco Tapia [mailto:fhtapia at gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 2:48 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] ADPs and Exclusive Access Warnings


are you sharing the ADP w/ anyone?


On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 14:30:08 -0500, Elam, Debbie <delam at jenkens.com> wrote:
> I have 2 different .adps created in Access 2002.  Both of these are giving
a
> message "You do not have exclusive access at this time...."  In both
> instances, the user should not be saving any changes to the database
anyhow.
> I do not understand why these are popping up.  Personally I would just
> prefer to suppress the message, but set warnings to false does not do the
> trick.  Any ideas on either preventing the message, or simply suppressing
it
> from displaying?
> 
> Debbie
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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Mon Sep 20 16:29:51 2004
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 14:29:51 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] .TIFF Image of Report Pages
References: <100F91B31300334B89EC531C9DCB0865065951@tccexch01.tappeconstruction.net>
	<414CD194.3020808@ig.com.br>
Message-ID: <414F4BCF.10301@shaw.ca>

Or you could try this from SourceForge
PDF Creator
http://sourceforge.net/projects/pdfcreator/
You will have to add your own .ini files for multi language support.

Forefront wrote:

> Brett Barabash wrote:
>
>> GhostScript is free (but quite involved to setup).  PDF995 is based off
>> of GhostScript, and charges $9.95 for the reduced headaches. 
>> Differences between a PDF995 created document and an Adobe Acrobat
>> document are minimal (Gustav pointed out a few minor differences, should
>> be in the archives).
>>
>> I would recommend PDF995 as an almost-free PDF alternative.
>>
>
> CutePDF and PrimoPDF are also good alternatives to PDF995.
> ;-)


-- 
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From fhtapia at gmail.com  Mon Sep 20 16:41:54 2004
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 14:41:54 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] ADPs and Exclusive Access Warnings
In-Reply-To: <7B1961ED924D1A459E378C9B1BB22B4C0248548F@natexch.jenkens.com>
References: <7B1961ED924D1A459E378C9B1BB22B4C0248548F@natexch.jenkens.com>
Message-ID: <b874372a0409201441741c08fd@mail.gmail.com>

If you change certain settings including the "connection Settings"
then the ADP want's exclusive access... I dunno why you would not want
to distribute as a normal FE one each pc... but this may be one of
those Access error messages.


On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 15:13:21 -0500, Elam, Debbie <delam at jenkens.com> wrote:
> Both adps are shared with several people.  I normally try to put front ends
> on the computer, rather than share to the network, but for a variety of
> reasons that is impractical in this case.
> 
> Debbie
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Francisco Tapia [mailto:fhtapia at gmail.com]
> Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 2:48 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] ADPs and Exclusive Access Warnings
> 
> are you sharing the ADP w/ anyone?
> 
> On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 14:30:08 -0500, Elam, Debbie <delam at jenkens.com> wrote:
> > I have 2 different .adps created in Access 2002.  Both of these are giving
> a
> > message "You do not have exclusive access at this time...."  In both
> > instances, the user should not be saving any changes to the database
> anyhow.
> > I do not understand why these are popping up.  Personally I would just
> > prefer to suppress the message, but set warnings to false does not do the
> > trick.  Any ideas on either preventing the message, or simply suppressing
> it
> > from displaying?
> >
> > Debbie
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From KP at sdsonline.net  Mon Sep 20 20:09:24 2004
From: KP at sdsonline.net (Kath Pelletti)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 11:09:24 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Urgent help please - Can't open html page
	inFrontpagefrom Access form
References: <988E2AC88CCB54459286C4077DB662F50155B2D8@PDAWB03C.ad.sprint.com>
Message-ID: <000d01c49f77$a2f2eb10$6501a8c0@user>

Hi Donald - thanks for the reply. I didn't know that there was an FP html editor as opposed to normal FP- that would certainly solve the problem as these pages will also be very simple - I will look further into that. Thanks

Kath

----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Mcgillivray, Donald [ITS] 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
  Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2004 2:05 AM
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] Urgent help please - Can't open html page inFrontpagefrom Access form


  Firstly, I have only passing familiarity with Front Page and web stuff -
  DEFINITELY no kind of expert!  But since you seem to be in a similar
  situation, maybe my experience will prove useful.

  In FP 98 (newer versions may be different) the html editor is a separate
  application that can be run independently from the FP web designer
  interface.  Since my ISP doesn't support FP extensions at my
  subscription level, I just use the FP editor (not the web designer) to
  create pages (VERY simple ones, to be sure) and upload them via FTP to
  my web space.  Basically, the FP html editor allows you to open, edit
  and save ANY html doc to ANY place you please - doesn't have to be a
  part of a "Front Page web" at all.  Things could get a little tricky if
  the html doc contains hyperlinks to other pages within the web site - in
  my situation I mimic the directory structure of my web space on my PC,
  and make any hyperlinks relative to the page location - and I have no
  idea what happens if you just slip a page into a FP web thru the "back
  door" (does the FP web automatically 'know' the new page is there, or do
  you have to use the web designer to make it available?) 

  All this having been said, I don't know whether the FP html editor (as
  distinct from the web designer) has an exposed object model that you can
  automate from your VBA code (I'm at work and my FP is installed at home)
  but if it does, you ought to be able to open and work a document
  independent of any web specs and then move it to the web via a separate
  process when the user is finished.

  Hope this helps!

  Don McGillivray



  -----Original Message-----
  From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
  [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti
  Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 6:13 PM
  To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
  Subject: [AccessD] Urgent help please - Can't open html page in
  Frontpagefrom Access form


  I have wasted ages on this so am now begging assistance........

  I have an html file (empty at present - later it will have some basic
  text)

  I need to my code to 
  - Make a copy of the template.html file (I can do that) and 
  - give it a new name, eg. Template_BHP_140904.html (I can do that)
  - Open the html file just created in Frontpage for users to modify the
  document (That's where I'm stuck....)

  My problem is a total lack of knowledge of files vs. webs and therefore
  the syntax I need. Questions: - 

  - Do I have to have a 'web' or 'web folder' - can't I just have an html
  file and open it?

  - If I can, what is the alternative syntax to .webs.open - eg. I am
  looking for a .pages.open property or .files.open ?

  Here's my code so far - when I run it I get an error  - There is no web
  named "/E:/SDS/Clients/CPP/WebLetters/Template.html"


  ------------------------------------------------------------------------
  --------

  Private Sub CmdOpenFP_Click()

  Dim oFPweb As FrontPage.Web
  Dim oFP As FrontPage.Application
  Dim FrontPageRunning As Boolean

  'Determine whether FrontPage is alredy open or not
  FrontPageRunning = IsFrontPageRunning()

  If Not FrontPageRunning Then
      MsgBox ("Frontpage is Closed")
      Set oFP = CreateObject("Frontpage.Application")
  Else
      MsgBox ("Frontpage is already open")
      Set oFP = GetObject(, "Frontpage.Application")
  End If

  'add code here later to make a copy of my file

  'open file in front page------------------------------------------------
  oFP.Webs.Open ("E:\Sds\Clients\CPP\Webletters\template.html")
  'STUCK HERE

   ' Show FrontPage
   oFPweb.Activate
   'Set oFP = Nothing

  End Sub

  ------------------------------------------------------------------------
  --------

  TIA


  Kath Pelletti
  Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd.
  Ph: 9505-6714
  Fax: 9505-6430
  KP at SDSOnline.net
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From roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk  Tue Sep 21 03:08:10 2004
From: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk (Roz Clarke)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 09:08:10 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] ADPs and Exclusive Access Warnings
Message-ID: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C8318805CED47C@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>

I can't speak for Debbie but I have similar problems with .mdbs and .mdes
and I have to use a shared FE because we are a Terminal Services site. Users
do not get to change connection settings or design of objects and yet the
applications still frequently lock. 

I was hoping that .adps would NOT present the same problems, as we are
currently developing one for 200+ users (30 users at a time can be in one FE
on a terminal server).

:( 

-----Original Message-----
From: Francisco Tapia [mailto:fhtapia at gmail.com] 
Sent: 20 September 2004 22:42
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] ADPs and Exclusive Access Warnings


If you change certain settings including the "connection Settings" then the
ADP want's exclusive access... I dunno why you would not want to distribute
as a normal FE one each pc... but this may be one of those Access error
messages.


On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 15:13:21 -0500, Elam, Debbie <delam at jenkens.com> wrote:
> Both adps are shared with several people.  I normally try to put front 
> ends on the computer, rather than share to the network, but for a 
> variety of reasons that is impractical in this case.
> 
> Debbie
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Francisco Tapia [mailto:fhtapia at gmail.com]
> Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 2:48 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] ADPs and Exclusive Access Warnings
> 
> are you sharing the ADP w/ anyone?
> 
> On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 14:30:08 -0500, Elam, Debbie <delam at jenkens.com> 
> wrote:
> > I have 2 different .adps created in Access 2002.  Both of these are 
> > giving
> a
> > message "You do not have exclusive access at this time...."  In both 
> > instances, the user should not be saving any changes to the database
> anyhow.
> > I do not understand why these are popping up.  Personally I would 
> > just prefer to suppress the message, but set warnings to false does 
> > not do the trick.  Any ideas on either preventing the message, or 
> > simply suppressing
> it
> > from displaying?
> >
> > Debbie
> > - JENKENS & GILCHRIST E-MAIL NOTICE - This transmission may be: (1)
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> > sender
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> > version of the Uniform Electronic Transactions Act or any other 
> > statute governing electronic transactions.
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Sep 21 06:25:26 2004
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 13:25:26 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] ADPs and Exclusive Access Warnings
In-Reply-To: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C8318805CED47C@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>
References: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C8318805CED47C@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>
Message-ID: <112712810.20040921132526@cactus.dk>

Hi Roz and Debbie

Have you tried to write protect the frontend file?

/gustav


> I can't speak for Debbie but I have similar problems with .mdbs and .mdes
> and I have to use a shared FE because we are a Terminal Services site. Users
> do not get to change connection settings or design of objects and yet the
> applications still frequently lock. 



From DElam at jenkens.com  Tue Sep 21 07:15:11 2004
From: DElam at jenkens.com (Elam, Debbie)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 07:15:11 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] ADPs and Exclusive Access Warnings
Message-ID: <7B1961ED924D1A459E378C9B1BB22B4C02485491@natexch.jenkens.com>

No, I have not tried to write protect the front end at all.

Debbie

-----Original Message-----
From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 6:25 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] ADPs and Exclusive Access Warnings


Hi Roz and Debbie

Have you tried to write protect the frontend file?

/gustav


> I can't speak for Debbie but I have similar problems with .mdbs and .mdes
> and I have to use a shared FE because we are a Terminal Services site.
Users
> do not get to change connection settings or design of objects and yet the
> applications still frequently lock. 

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From Jeff at OUTBAKTech.com  Tue Sep 21 08:49:11 2004
From: Jeff at OUTBAKTech.com (Jeff Barrows)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 08:49:11 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Installation Software (cross posted)
Message-ID: <8DA8776D2F418E46A2A464AC6CE630500326BD@outbaksrv1.outbaktech.com>

Anyone know where to get the best price on a newer version, single user copy of Installshield?
 
Jeff


From fhtapia at gmail.com  Tue Sep 21 10:59:31 2004
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 08:59:31 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] ADPs and Exclusive Access Warnings
In-Reply-To: <7B1961ED924D1A459E378C9B1BB22B4C02485491@natexch.jenkens.com>
References: <7B1961ED924D1A459E378C9B1BB22B4C02485491@natexch.jenkens.com>
Message-ID: <b874372a040921085944976f27@mail.gmail.com>

did you say you get this error on an ADE as well as an MDE?


On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 07:15:11 -0500, Elam, Debbie <delam at jenkens.com> wrote:
> No, I have not tried to write protect the front end at all.
> 
> Debbie
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 6:25 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] ADPs and Exclusive Access Warnings
> 
> Hi Roz and Debbie
> 
> Have you tried to write protect the frontend file?
> 
> /gustav
> 
> > I can't speak for Debbie but I have similar problems with .mdbs and .mdes
> > and I have to use a shared FE because we are a Terminal Services site.
> Users
> > do not get to change connection settings or design of objects and yet the
> > applications still frequently lock.
> 
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From DElam at jenkens.com  Tue Sep 21 11:37:56 2004
From: DElam at jenkens.com (Elam, Debbie)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 11:37:56 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] ADPs and Exclusive Access Warnings
Message-ID: <7B1961ED924D1A459E378C9B1BB22B4C0248549E@natexch.jenkens.com>

The MDB I was using before did not have this error, the ADP I created to
serve basically the same purpose and used in the same spot does have this
error.  I do not have an MDE that I have used like this.

Debbie

-----Original Message-----
From: Francisco Tapia [mailto:fhtapia at gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 11:00 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] ADPs and Exclusive Access Warnings


did you say you get this error on an ADE as well as an MDE?


On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 07:15:11 -0500, Elam, Debbie <delam at jenkens.com> wrote:
> No, I have not tried to write protect the front end at all.
> 
> Debbie
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 6:25 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] ADPs and Exclusive Access Warnings
> 
> Hi Roz and Debbie
> 
> Have you tried to write protect the frontend file?
> 
> /gustav
> 
> > I can't speak for Debbie but I have similar problems with .mdbs and
.mdes
> > and I have to use a shared FE because we are a Terminal Services site.
> Users
> > do not get to change connection settings or design of objects and yet
the
> > applications still frequently lock.
> 
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From davide at dalyn.co.nz  Tue Sep 21 15:25:25 2004
From: davide at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 08:25:25 +1200
Subject: [AccessD] ADPs and Exclusive Access Warnings
In-Reply-To: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C8318805CED47C@dibble.observator
	y.donnslaw.co.uk>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20040922082307.00bd8790@mail.dalyn.co.nz>

If it is any consolation, I have an 2002 ADP/SQL2000 configuration running 
on Terminal server with up to 10 concurrent users and it works with no hitches.

Regards

David Emerson
Dalyn Software Ltd
25 Cunliffe St, Churton Park
Wellington, New Zealand
Ph/Fax (04) 478-7456
Mobile 027-280-9348

At 21/09/2004, you wrote:
>I can't speak for Debbie but I have similar problems with .mdbs and .mdes
>and I have to use a shared FE because we are a Terminal Services site. Users
>do not get to change connection settings or design of objects and yet the
>applications still frequently lock.
>
>I was hoping that .adps would NOT present the same problems, as we are
>currently developing one for 200+ users (30 users at a time can be in one FE
>on a terminal server).
>
>:(
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Francisco Tapia [mailto:fhtapia at gmail.com]
>Sent: 20 September 2004 22:42
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] ADPs and Exclusive Access Warnings
>
>
>If you change certain settings including the "connection Settings" then the
>ADP want's exclusive access... I dunno why you would not want to distribute
>as a normal FE one each pc... but this may be one of those Access error
>messages.
>
>
>On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 15:13:21 -0500, Elam, Debbie <delam at jenkens.com> wrote:
> > Both adps are shared with several people.  I normally try to put front
> > ends on the computer, rather than share to the network, but for a
> > variety of reasons that is impractical in this case.
> >
> > Debbie
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Francisco Tapia [mailto:fhtapia at gmail.com]
> > Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 2:48 PM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] ADPs and Exclusive Access Warnings
> >
> > are you sharing the ADP w/ anyone?
> >
> > On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 14:30:08 -0500, Elam, Debbie <delam at jenkens.com>
> > wrote:
> > > I have 2 different .adps created in Access 2002.  Both of these are
> > > giving
> > a
> > > message "You do not have exclusive access at this time...."  In both
> > > instances, the user should not be saving any changes to the database
> > anyhow.
> > > I do not understand why these are popping up.  Personally I would
> > > just prefer to suppress the message, but set warnings to false does
> > > not do the trick.  Any ideas on either preventing the message, or
> > > simply suppressing
> > it
> > > from displaying?
> > >
> > > Debbie
>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com



From davide at dalyn.co.nz  Tue Sep 21 16:17:07 2004
From: davide at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 09:17:07 +1200
Subject: [AccessD] ADPs and Exclusive Access Warnings
In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20040922082307.00bd8790@mail.dalyn.co.nz>
References: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C8318805CED47C@dibble.observator
	y.donnslaw.co.uk>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20040922091637.00bdf060@mail.dalyn.co.nz>

Correction - It is an ade

David

At 22/09/2004, you wrote:
>If it is any consolation, I have an 2002 ADP/SQL2000 configuration running 
>on Terminal server with up to 10 concurrent users and it works with no hitches.
>
>Regards
>
>David Emerson
>Dalyn Software Ltd
>25 Cunliffe St, Churton Park
>Wellington, New Zealand
>Ph/Fax (04) 478-7456
>Mobile 027-280-9348
>
>At 21/09/2004, you wrote:
>>I can't speak for Debbie but I have similar problems with .mdbs and .mdes
>>and I have to use a shared FE because we are a Terminal Services site. Users
>>do not get to change connection settings or design of objects and yet the
>>applications still frequently lock.
>>
>>I was hoping that .adps would NOT present the same problems, as we are
>>currently developing one for 200+ users (30 users at a time can be in one FE
>>on a terminal server).
>>
>>:(
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Francisco Tapia [mailto:fhtapia at gmail.com]
>>Sent: 20 September 2004 22:42
>>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] ADPs and Exclusive Access Warnings
>>
>>
>>If you change certain settings including the "connection Settings" then the
>>ADP want's exclusive access... I dunno why you would not want to distribute
>>as a normal FE one each pc... but this may be one of those Access error
>>messages.
>>
>>
>>On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 15:13:21 -0500, Elam, Debbie <delam at jenkens.com> wrote:
>> > Both adps are shared with several people.  I normally try to put front
>> > ends on the computer, rather than share to the network, but for a
>> > variety of reasons that is impractical in this case.
>> >
>> > Debbie
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Francisco Tapia [mailto:fhtapia at gmail.com]
>> > Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 2:48 PM
>> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] ADPs and Exclusive Access Warnings
>> >
>> > are you sharing the ADP w/ anyone?
>> >
>> > On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 14:30:08 -0500, Elam, Debbie <delam at jenkens.com>
>> > wrote:
>> > > I have 2 different .adps created in Access 2002.  Both of these are
>> > > giving
>> > a
>> > > message "You do not have exclusive access at this time...."  In both
>> > > instances, the user should not be saving any changes to the database
>> > anyhow.
>> > > I do not understand why these are popping up.  Personally I would
>> > > just prefer to suppress the message, but set warnings to false does
>> > > not do the trick.  Any ideas on either preventing the message, or
>> > > simply suppressing
>> > it
>> > > from displaying?
>> > >
>> > > Debbie
>>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Tue Sep 21 16:49:41 2004
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 14:49:41 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] ADPs  in the future
References: <5.2.0.9.0.20040922082307.00bd8790@mail.dalyn.co.nz>
Message-ID: <4150A1F5.3050506@shaw.ca>

Just in passing concerning future design
about ADP's from Access 2003 on down that will not play fair with SQL 
Server 2005 Express (replacement for MSDE).

 Re: Access 2002 and SQL Express
 From:  "Mary Chipman [MSFT]" <mchip at online.microsoft.com> Sent:  
8/20/2004 11:30:58 AM

You will not be able to use any of the designers with SQLS 2005
databases, whether it's SQL Express or the Developer edition. IOW, you
won't be able to create databases, tables, views or any other database
objects from an ADP. The only support that is envisioned is that you
will be able to connect an Access front-end to a SQLS 2005 back end if
it is running in SQLS 2000 compatibility mode, so your forms, reports
and other local Access objects should still run. There is no service
pack or quick fix being planned as far as I know because of the amount
of work it would entail. If you stop to think about it, it's pretty
hard to see how accomodating new Yukon features like CLR assemblies
and complex data types in the ADP designers could be achieved without
a complete rewrite.

--Mary Chipman

-- 
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada





From d.dick at uws.edu.au  Tue Sep 21 19:35:48 2004
From: d.dick at uws.edu.au (Darren DICK)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 10:35:48 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Getting MAC Address
Message-ID: <200409220036.i8M0a3XH020021@cooper.uws.edu.au>

Hi All
I have some code to get the machine name and the IP address/es
but does anyone have any samples to get a MAC Address off a machine??
 
Many thank in advance
 
Darren
 


From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Tue Sep 21 19:53:17 2004
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 10:53:17 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Getting MAC Address
In-Reply-To: <200409220036.i8M0a3XH020021@cooper.uws.edu.au>
Message-ID: <4151599D.4174.45B9E73@lexacorp.com.pg>

On 22 Sep 2004 at 10:35, Darren DICK wrote:

> Hi All
> I have some code to get the machine name and the IP address/es
> but does anyone have any samples to get a MAC Address off a machine??
>  
Here's code to give you just about everything you could want for all 
adapters installed. (Watch for wrap)

The  "Physical Address" returns the MAC Address

Option Compare Database
Option Explicit

Public Const MAX_HOSTNAME_LEN = 132
Public Const MAX_DOMAIN_NAME_LEN = 132
Public Const MAX_SCOPE_ID_LEN = 260
Public Const MAX_ADAPTER_NAME_LENGTH = 260
Public Const MAX_ADAPTER_ADDRESS_LENGTH = 8
Public Const MAX_ADAPTER_DESCRIPTION_LENGTH = 132
Public Const ERROR_BUFFER_OVERFLOW = 111
Public Const MIB_IF_TYPE_ETHERNET = 1
Public Const MIB_IF_TYPE_TOKENRING = 2
Public Const MIB_IF_TYPE_FDDI = 3
Public Const MIB_IF_TYPE_PPP = 4
Public Const MIB_IF_TYPE_LOOPBACK = 5
Public Const MIB_IF_TYPE_SLIP = 6

Type IP_ADDR_STRING
    Next As Long
    IpAddress As String * 16
    IpMask As String * 16
    Context As Long
End Type

Type IP_ADAPTER_INFO
    Next As Long
    ComboIndex As Long
    AdapterName As String * MAX_ADAPTER_NAME_LENGTH
    Description As String * MAX_ADAPTER_DESCRIPTION_LENGTH
    AddressLength As Long
    Address(MAX_ADAPTER_ADDRESS_LENGTH - 1) As Byte
    Index As Long
    Type As Long
    DhcpEnabled As Long
    CurrentIpAddress As Long
    IpAddressList As IP_ADDR_STRING
    GatewayList As IP_ADDR_STRING
    DhcpServer As IP_ADDR_STRING
    HaveWins As Boolean
    PrimaryWinsServer As IP_ADDR_STRING
    SecondaryWinsServer As IP_ADDR_STRING
    LeaseObtained As Long
    LeaseExpires As Long
End Type

Type FIXED_INFO
    HostName As String * MAX_HOSTNAME_LEN
    DomainName As String * MAX_DOMAIN_NAME_LEN
    CurrentDnsServer As Long
    DnsServerList As IP_ADDR_STRING
    NodeType As Long
    ScopeId  As String * MAX_SCOPE_ID_LEN
    EnableRouting As Long
    EnableProxy As Long
    EnableDns As Long
End Type

Public Declare Function GetNetworkParams Lib "IPHlpApi" (FixedInfo As Any, pOutBufLen As Long) As Long
Public Declare Function GetAdaptersInfo Lib "IPHlpApi" (IpAdapterInfo As Any, pOutBufLen As Long) As Long
Public Declare Sub CopyMemory Lib "kernel32" Alias "RtlMoveMemory" (Destination As Any, Source As Any, ByVal Length As Long)

Function NWInfo() As Long
    'This example was created by George Bernier (bernig at dinomail.qc.ca)
    Dim error As Long
    Dim FixedInfoSize As Long
    Dim AdapterInfoSize As Long
    Dim i As Integer
    Dim PhysicalAddress  As String
    Dim NewTime As Date
    Dim AdapterInfo As IP_ADAPTER_INFO
    Dim Adapt As IP_ADAPTER_INFO
    Dim AddrStr As IP_ADDR_STRING
    Dim FixedInfo As FIXED_INFO
    Dim Buffer As IP_ADDR_STRING
    Dim pAddrStr As Long
    Dim pAdapt As Long
    Dim Buffer2 As IP_ADAPTER_INFO
    Dim FixedInfoBuffer() As Byte
    Dim AdapterInfoBuffer() As Byte
    
    'Get the main IP configuration information for this machine using a FIXED_INFO structure
    FixedInfoSize = 0
    error = GetNetworkParams(ByVal 0&, FixedInfoSize)
    If error <> 0 Then
        If error <> ERROR_BUFFER_OVERFLOW Then
           MsgBox "GetNetworkParams sizing failed with error " & error
           Exit Function
        End If
    End If
    ReDim FixedInfoBuffer(FixedInfoSize - 1)

    error = GetNetworkParams(FixedInfoBuffer(0), FixedInfoSize)
    If error = 0 Then
            CopyMemory FixedInfo, FixedInfoBuffer(0), Len(FixedInfo)
            MsgBox "Host Name:  " & FixedInfo.HostName 'host name
            MsgBox "DNS Servers:  " & FixedInfo.DnsServerList.IpAddress 'dns server IP
            pAddrStr = FixedInfo.DnsServerList.Next
            Do While pAddrStr <> 0
                  CopyMemory Buffer, ByVal pAddrStr, Len(Buffer)
                  MsgBox "DNS Servers:  " & Buffer.IpAddress 'dns server IP
                  pAddrStr = Buffer.Next
            Loop
            
            Select Case FixedInfo.NodeType 'node type
                       Case 1
                                  MsgBox "Node type: Broadcast"
                       Case 2
                                   MsgBox "Node type: Peer to peer"
                       Case 4
                                    MsgBox "Node type: Mixed"
                       Case 8
                                    MsgBox "Node type: Hybrid"
                       Case Else
                                    MsgBox "Unknown node type"
            End Select
            
            MsgBox "NetBIOS Scope ID:  " & FixedInfo.ScopeId 'scope ID
            'routing
            If FixedInfo.EnableRouting Then
                       MsgBox "IP Routing Enabled "
            Else
                       MsgBox "IP Routing not enabled"
            End If
            ' proxy
            If FixedInfo.EnableProxy Then
                       MsgBox "WINS Proxy Enabled "
            Else
                       MsgBox "WINS Proxy not Enabled "
            End If
            ' netbios
            If FixedInfo.EnableDns Then
                      MsgBox "NetBIOS Resolution Uses DNS "
            Else
                      MsgBox "NetBIOS Resolution Does not use DNS  "
            End If
    Else
            MsgBox "GetNetworkParams failed with error " & error
            Exit Function
    End If
    
    'Enumerate all of the adapter specific information using the IP_ADAPTER_INFO structure.
    'Note:  IP_ADAPTER_INFO contains a linked list of adapter entries.
    
    AdapterInfoSize = 0
    error = GetAdaptersInfo(ByVal 0&, AdapterInfoSize)
    If error <> 0 Then
        If error <> ERROR_BUFFER_OVERFLOW Then
           MsgBox "GetAdaptersInfo sizing failed with error " & error
           Exit Function
        End If
    End If
   ReDim AdapterInfoBuffer(AdapterInfoSize - 1)
 
 ' Get actual adapter information
   error = GetAdaptersInfo(AdapterInfoBuffer(0), AdapterInfoSize)
   If error <> 0 Then
      MsgBox "GetAdaptersInfo failed with error " & error
      Exit Function
   End If
   CopyMemory AdapterInfo, AdapterInfoBuffer(0), Len(AdapterInfo)
   pAdapt = AdapterInfo.Next

   Do While pAdapt <> 0
        CopyMemory Buffer2, AdapterInfo, Len(Buffer2)
          Select Case Buffer2.Type
                Case MIB_IF_TYPE_ETHERNET
                    MsgBox "Ethernet adapter "
                Case MIB_IF_TYPE_TOKENRING
                    MsgBox "Token Ring adapter "
                Case MIB_IF_TYPE_FDDI
                    MsgBox "FDDI adapter "
                Case MIB_IF_TYPE_PPP
                    MsgBox "PPP adapter"
                Case MIB_IF_TYPE_LOOPBACK
                    MsgBox "Loopback adapter "
                Case MIB_IF_TYPE_SLIP
                    MsgBox "Slip adapter "
                Case Else
                    MsgBox "Other adapter "
        End Select
    MsgBox " AdapterName: " & Buffer2.AdapterName
    MsgBox "AdapterDescription: " & Buffer2.Description 'adatpter name

    For i = 0 To Buffer2.AddressLength - 1
           PhysicalAddress = PhysicalAddress & Hex(Buffer2.Address(i))
            If i < Buffer2.AddressLength - 1 Then
             PhysicalAddress = PhysicalAddress & "-"
            End If

    Next
    MsgBox "Physical Address: " & PhysicalAddress 'mac address
    If Buffer2.DhcpEnabled Then
            MsgBox "DHCP Enabled "
    Else
            MsgBox "DHCP disabled"
    End If

    pAddrStr = Buffer2.IpAddressList.Next
    Do While pAddrStr <> 0
           CopyMemory Buffer, Buffer2.IpAddressList, LenB(Buffer)
           MsgBox "IP Address: " & Buffer.IpAddress
           MsgBox "Subnet Mask: " & Buffer.IpMask
           pAddrStr = Buffer.Next
           If pAddrStr <> 0 Then
            CopyMemory Buffer2.IpAddressList, ByVal pAddrStr, Len(Buffer2.IpAddressList)
           End If
   Loop
    MsgBox "Default Gateway: " & Buffer2.GatewayList.IpAddress
    pAddrStr = Buffer2.GatewayList.Next
    Do While pAddrStr <> 0
            CopyMemory Buffer, Buffer2.GatewayList, Len(Buffer)
            MsgBox "IP Address: " & Buffer.IpAddress
            pAddrStr = Buffer.Next
            If pAddrStr <> 0 Then
            CopyMemory Buffer2.GatewayList, ByVal pAddrStr, Len(Buffer2.GatewayList)
            End If
    Loop

    MsgBox "DHCP Server: " & Buffer2.DhcpServer.IpAddress
    MsgBox "Primary WINS Server: " & Buffer2.PrimaryWinsServer.IpAddress
    MsgBox "Secondary WINS Server: " & Buffer2.SecondaryWinsServer.IpAddress

    ' Display time
    NewTime = CDate(Adapt.LeaseObtained)
    MsgBox "Lease Obtained: " & CStr(NewTime)

    NewTime = CDate(Adapt.LeaseExpires)
    MsgBox "Lease Expires :  " & CStr(NewTime)
    pAdapt = Buffer2.Next
    If pAdapt <> 0 Then
        CopyMemory AdapterInfo, ByVal pAdapt, Len(AdapterInfo)
    End If

   Loop
   
End Function

-- 
Stuart




From d.dick at uws.edu.au  Tue Sep 21 21:32:35 2004
From: d.dick at uws.edu.au (Darren DICK)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 12:32:35 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Getting MAC Address
In-Reply-To: <4151599D.4174.45B9E73@lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <200409220232.i8M2WxXH003528@cooper.uws.edu.au>

Hi Stuart
Wow this is way cool
I have a prob though :-((

At the point in the code where it says  - Do While pAdapt <> 0
It just gets bypassed and no more message boxes from that point ()The code
just exits)

If I msgbox the pAdapt value it says Zero - that's why the code bypasses it
(the most important bit)

If I change that line to Do While pAdapt = 0 it works as expected with
The relevant MSGBOX's but of course it puts itself into an endless loop

Any idea why the pAdapt bit is returning 0??

Many thanks

Darren

 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Wednesday, 22 September 2004 10:53 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problemsolving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K: Getting MAC Address

On 22 Sep 2004 at 10:35, Darren DICK wrote:

> Hi All
> I have some code to get the machine name and the IP address/es but 
> does anyone have any samples to get a MAC Address off a machine??
>  
Here's code to give you just about everything you could want for all
adapters installed. (Watch for wrap)

The  "Physical Address" returns the MAC Address

Option Compare Database
Option Explicit

Public Const MAX_HOSTNAME_LEN = 132
Public Const MAX_DOMAIN_NAME_LEN = 132
Public Const MAX_SCOPE_ID_LEN = 260
Public Const MAX_ADAPTER_NAME_LENGTH = 260 Public Const
MAX_ADAPTER_ADDRESS_LENGTH = 8 Public Const MAX_ADAPTER_DESCRIPTION_LENGTH =
132 Public Const ERROR_BUFFER_OVERFLOW = 111 Public Const
MIB_IF_TYPE_ETHERNET = 1 Public Const MIB_IF_TYPE_TOKENRING = 2 Public Const
MIB_IF_TYPE_FDDI = 3 Public Const MIB_IF_TYPE_PPP = 4 Public Const
MIB_IF_TYPE_LOOPBACK = 5 Public Const MIB_IF_TYPE_SLIP = 6

Type IP_ADDR_STRING
    Next As Long
    IpAddress As String * 16
    IpMask As String * 16
    Context As Long
End Type

Type IP_ADAPTER_INFO
    Next As Long
    ComboIndex As Long
    AdapterName As String * MAX_ADAPTER_NAME_LENGTH
    Description As String * MAX_ADAPTER_DESCRIPTION_LENGTH
    AddressLength As Long
    Address(MAX_ADAPTER_ADDRESS_LENGTH - 1) As Byte
    Index As Long
    Type As Long
    DhcpEnabled As Long
    CurrentIpAddress As Long
    IpAddressList As IP_ADDR_STRING
    GatewayList As IP_ADDR_STRING
    DhcpServer As IP_ADDR_STRING
    HaveWins As Boolean
    PrimaryWinsServer As IP_ADDR_STRING
    SecondaryWinsServer As IP_ADDR_STRING
    LeaseObtained As Long
    LeaseExpires As Long
End Type

Type FIXED_INFO
    HostName As String * MAX_HOSTNAME_LEN
    DomainName As String * MAX_DOMAIN_NAME_LEN
    CurrentDnsServer As Long
    DnsServerList As IP_ADDR_STRING
    NodeType As Long
    ScopeId  As String * MAX_SCOPE_ID_LEN
    EnableRouting As Long
    EnableProxy As Long
    EnableDns As Long
End Type

Public Declare Function GetNetworkParams Lib "IPHlpApi" (FixedInfo As Any,
pOutBufLen As Long) As Long Public Declare Function GetAdaptersInfo Lib
"IPHlpApi" (IpAdapterInfo As Any, pOutBufLen As Long) As Long Public Declare
Sub CopyMemory Lib "kernel32" Alias "RtlMoveMemory" (Destination As Any,
Source As Any, ByVal Length As Long)

Function NWInfo() As Long
    'This example was created by George Bernier (bernig at dinomail.qc.ca)
    Dim error As Long
    Dim FixedInfoSize As Long
    Dim AdapterInfoSize As Long
    Dim i As Integer
    Dim PhysicalAddress  As String
    Dim NewTime As Date
    Dim AdapterInfo As IP_ADAPTER_INFO
    Dim Adapt As IP_ADAPTER_INFO
    Dim AddrStr As IP_ADDR_STRING
    Dim FixedInfo As FIXED_INFO
    Dim Buffer As IP_ADDR_STRING
    Dim pAddrStr As Long
    Dim pAdapt As Long
    Dim Buffer2 As IP_ADAPTER_INFO
    Dim FixedInfoBuffer() As Byte
    Dim AdapterInfoBuffer() As Byte
    
    'Get the main IP configuration information for this machine using a
FIXED_INFO structure
    FixedInfoSize = 0
    error = GetNetworkParams(ByVal 0&, FixedInfoSize)
    If error <> 0 Then
        If error <> ERROR_BUFFER_OVERFLOW Then
           MsgBox "GetNetworkParams sizing failed with error " & error
           Exit Function
        End If
    End If
    ReDim FixedInfoBuffer(FixedInfoSize - 1)

    error = GetNetworkParams(FixedInfoBuffer(0), FixedInfoSize)
    If error = 0 Then
            CopyMemory FixedInfo, FixedInfoBuffer(0), Len(FixedInfo)
            MsgBox "Host Name:  " & FixedInfo.HostName 'host name
            MsgBox "DNS Servers:  " & FixedInfo.DnsServerList.IpAddress 'dns
server IP
            pAddrStr = FixedInfo.DnsServerList.Next
            Do While pAddrStr <> 0
                  CopyMemory Buffer, ByVal pAddrStr, Len(Buffer)
                  MsgBox "DNS Servers:  " & Buffer.IpAddress 'dns server IP
                  pAddrStr = Buffer.Next
            Loop
            
            Select Case FixedInfo.NodeType 'node type
                       Case 1
                                  MsgBox "Node type: Broadcast"
                       Case 2
                                   MsgBox "Node type: Peer to peer"
                       Case 4
                                    MsgBox "Node type: Mixed"
                       Case 8
                                    MsgBox "Node type: Hybrid"
                       Case Else
                                    MsgBox "Unknown node type"
            End Select
            
            MsgBox "NetBIOS Scope ID:  " & FixedInfo.ScopeId 'scope ID
            'routing
            If FixedInfo.EnableRouting Then
                       MsgBox "IP Routing Enabled "
            Else
                       MsgBox "IP Routing not enabled"
            End If
            ' proxy
            If FixedInfo.EnableProxy Then
                       MsgBox "WINS Proxy Enabled "
            Else
                       MsgBox "WINS Proxy not Enabled "
            End If
            ' netbios
            If FixedInfo.EnableDns Then
                      MsgBox "NetBIOS Resolution Uses DNS "
            Else
                      MsgBox "NetBIOS Resolution Does not use DNS  "
            End If
    Else
            MsgBox "GetNetworkParams failed with error " & error
            Exit Function
    End If
    
    'Enumerate all of the adapter specific information using the
IP_ADAPTER_INFO structure.
    'Note:  IP_ADAPTER_INFO contains a linked list of adapter entries.
    
    AdapterInfoSize = 0
    error = GetAdaptersInfo(ByVal 0&, AdapterInfoSize)
    If error <> 0 Then
        If error <> ERROR_BUFFER_OVERFLOW Then
           MsgBox "GetAdaptersInfo sizing failed with error " & error
           Exit Function
        End If
    End If
   ReDim AdapterInfoBuffer(AdapterInfoSize - 1)
 
 ' Get actual adapter information
   error = GetAdaptersInfo(AdapterInfoBuffer(0), AdapterInfoSize)
   If error <> 0 Then
      MsgBox "GetAdaptersInfo failed with error " & error
      Exit Function
   End If
   CopyMemory AdapterInfo, AdapterInfoBuffer(0), Len(AdapterInfo)
   pAdapt = AdapterInfo.Next

   Do While pAdapt <> 0
        CopyMemory Buffer2, AdapterInfo, Len(Buffer2)
          Select Case Buffer2.Type
                Case MIB_IF_TYPE_ETHERNET
                    MsgBox "Ethernet adapter "
                Case MIB_IF_TYPE_TOKENRING
                    MsgBox "Token Ring adapter "
                Case MIB_IF_TYPE_FDDI
                    MsgBox "FDDI adapter "
                Case MIB_IF_TYPE_PPP
                    MsgBox "PPP adapter"
                Case MIB_IF_TYPE_LOOPBACK
                    MsgBox "Loopback adapter "
                Case MIB_IF_TYPE_SLIP
                    MsgBox "Slip adapter "
                Case Else
                    MsgBox "Other adapter "
        End Select
    MsgBox " AdapterName: " & Buffer2.AdapterName
    MsgBox "AdapterDescription: " & Buffer2.Description 'adatpter name

    For i = 0 To Buffer2.AddressLength - 1
           PhysicalAddress = PhysicalAddress & Hex(Buffer2.Address(i))
            If i < Buffer2.AddressLength - 1 Then
             PhysicalAddress = PhysicalAddress & "-"
            End If

    Next
    MsgBox "Physical Address: " & PhysicalAddress 'mac address
    If Buffer2.DhcpEnabled Then
            MsgBox "DHCP Enabled "
    Else
            MsgBox "DHCP disabled"
    End If

    pAddrStr = Buffer2.IpAddressList.Next
    Do While pAddrStr <> 0
           CopyMemory Buffer, Buffer2.IpAddressList, LenB(Buffer)
           MsgBox "IP Address: " & Buffer.IpAddress
           MsgBox "Subnet Mask: " & Buffer.IpMask
           pAddrStr = Buffer.Next
           If pAddrStr <> 0 Then
            CopyMemory Buffer2.IpAddressList, ByVal pAddrStr,
Len(Buffer2.IpAddressList)
           End If
   Loop
    MsgBox "Default Gateway: " & Buffer2.GatewayList.IpAddress
    pAddrStr = Buffer2.GatewayList.Next
    Do While pAddrStr <> 0
            CopyMemory Buffer, Buffer2.GatewayList, Len(Buffer)
            MsgBox "IP Address: " & Buffer.IpAddress
            pAddrStr = Buffer.Next
            If pAddrStr <> 0 Then
            CopyMemory Buffer2.GatewayList, ByVal pAddrStr,
Len(Buffer2.GatewayList)
            End If
    Loop

    MsgBox "DHCP Server: " & Buffer2.DhcpServer.IpAddress
    MsgBox "Primary WINS Server: " & Buffer2.PrimaryWinsServer.IpAddress
    MsgBox "Secondary WINS Server: " & Buffer2.SecondaryWinsServer.IpAddress

    ' Display time
    NewTime = CDate(Adapt.LeaseObtained)
    MsgBox "Lease Obtained: " & CStr(NewTime)

    NewTime = CDate(Adapt.LeaseExpires)
    MsgBox "Lease Expires :  " & CStr(NewTime)
    pAdapt = Buffer2.Next
    If pAdapt <> 0 Then
        CopyMemory AdapterInfo, ByVal pAdapt, Len(AdapterInfo)
    End If

   Loop
   
End Function

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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Tue Sep 21 22:03:21 2004
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 13:03:21 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Getting MAC Address
In-Reply-To: <200409220232.i8M2WxXH003528@cooper.uws.edu.au>
References: <4151599D.4174.45B9E73@lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <41517819.18435.58E4D@lexacorp.com.pg>

On 22 Sep 2004 at 12:32, Darren DICK wrote:

> If I change that line to Do While pAdapt = 0 it works as expected with
> The relevant MSGBOX's but of course it puts itself into an endless loop
> 
> Any idea why the pAdapt bit is returning 0??
> 

No idea, it works fine on this machine.

You could try dropping the loop code completely and just doing a single 
pass through. That will always return the values for the first adapter if 
you have one.



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From stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz  Tue Sep 21 22:07:53 2004
From: stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz (Stephen Bond)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 15:07:53 +1200
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Getting MAC Address
Message-ID: <70F3D727890C784291D8433E9C418F290888B1@server.bondsoftware.co.nz>

Yep, agree with that, good stuff - I have already adapted this to display on the 'debug' form in the next project.  Had to strip nulls but worth the effort ...

Stephen Bond

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Darren DICK [mailto:d.dick at uws.edu.au]
> Sent: Wednesday, 22 September 2004 2:33 p.m.
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K: Getting MAC Address
> 
> 
> Hi Stuart
> Wow this is way cool
> I have a prob though :-((
> 
>  
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Stuart McLachlan
> Sent: Wednesday, 22 September 2004 10:53 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problemsolving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K: Getting MAC Address
> 
> On 22 Sep 2004 at 10:35, Darren DICK wrote:
> 
> > Hi All
> > I have some code to get the machine name and the IP address/es but 
> > does anyone have any samples to get a MAC Address off a machine??
> >  
> Here's code to give you just about everything you could want for all
> adapters installed. (Watch for wrap)
> 
> The  "Physical Address" returns the MAC Address
> 
> Option Compare Database
> Option Explicit
> 
> Public Const MAX_HOSTNAME_LEN = 132
> Public Const MAX_DOMAIN_NAME_LEN = 132
> Public Const MAX_SCOPE_ID_LEN = 260
> Public Const MAX_ADAPTER_NAME_LENGTH = 260 Public Const
> MAX_ADAPTER_ADDRESS_LENGTH = 8 Public Const 
> MAX_ADAPTER_DESCRIPTION_LENGTH =
> 132 Public Const ERROR_BUFFER_OVERFLOW = 111 Public Const
> MIB_IF_TYPE_ETHERNET = 1 Public Const MIB_IF_TYPE_TOKENRING = 
> 2 Public Const
> MIB_IF_TYPE_FDDI = 3 Public Const MIB_IF_TYPE_PPP = 4 Public Const
> MIB_IF_TYPE_LOOPBACK = 5 Public Const MIB_IF_TYPE_SLIP = 6
> 
> Type IP_ADDR_STRING
>     Next As Long
>     IpAddress As String * 16
>     IpMask As String * 16
>     Context As Long
> End Type
> 
> Type IP_ADAPTER_INFO
>     Next As Long
>     ComboIndex As Long
>     AdapterName As String * MAX_ADAPTER_NAME_LENGTH
>     Description As String * MAX_ADAPTER_DESCRIPTION_LENGTH
>     AddressLength As Long
>     Address(MAX_ADAPTER_ADDRESS_LENGTH - 1) As Byte
>     Index As Long
>     Type As Long
>     DhcpEnabled As Long
>     CurrentIpAddress As Long
>     IpAddressList As IP_ADDR_STRING
>     GatewayList As IP_ADDR_STRING
>     DhcpServer As IP_ADDR_STRING
>     HaveWins As Boolean
>     PrimaryWinsServer As IP_ADDR_STRING
>     SecondaryWinsServer As IP_ADDR_STRING
>     LeaseObtained As Long
>     LeaseExpires As Long
> End Type
> 
> Type FIXED_INFO
>     HostName As String * MAX_HOSTNAME_LEN
>     DomainName As String * MAX_DOMAIN_NAME_LEN
>     CurrentDnsServer As Long
>     DnsServerList As IP_ADDR_STRING
>     NodeType As Long
>     ScopeId  As String * MAX_SCOPE_ID_LEN
>     EnableRouting As Long
>     EnableProxy As Long
>     EnableDns As Long
> End Type
> 
> Public Declare Function GetNetworkParams Lib "IPHlpApi" 
> (FixedInfo As Any,
> pOutBufLen As Long) As Long Public Declare Function 
> GetAdaptersInfo Lib
> "IPHlpApi" (IpAdapterInfo As Any, pOutBufLen As Long) As Long 
> Public Declare
> Sub CopyMemory Lib "kernel32" Alias "RtlMoveMemory" 
> (Destination As Any,
> Source As Any, ByVal Length As Long)
> 
> Function NWInfo() As Long
>     'This example was created by George Bernier 
> (bernig at dinomail.qc.ca)
>     Dim error As Long
>     Dim FixedInfoSize As Long
>     Dim AdapterInfoSize As Long
>     Dim i As Integer
>     Dim PhysicalAddress  As String
>     Dim NewTime As Date
>     Dim AdapterInfo As IP_ADAPTER_INFO
>     Dim Adapt As IP_ADAPTER_INFO
>     Dim AddrStr As IP_ADDR_STRING
>     Dim FixedInfo As FIXED_INFO
>     Dim Buffer As IP_ADDR_STRING
>     Dim pAddrStr As Long
>     Dim pAdapt As Long
>     Dim Buffer2 As IP_ADAPTER_INFO
>     Dim FixedInfoBuffer() As Byte
>     Dim AdapterInfoBuffer() As Byte
>     
>     'Get the main IP configuration information for this 
> machine using a
> FIXED_INFO structure
>     FixedInfoSize = 0
>     error = GetNetworkParams(ByVal 0&, FixedInfoSize)
>     If error <> 0 Then
>         If error <> ERROR_BUFFER_OVERFLOW Then
>            MsgBox "GetNetworkParams sizing failed with error " & error
>            Exit Function
>         End If
>     End If
>     ReDim FixedInfoBuffer(FixedInfoSize - 1)
> 
>     error = GetNetworkParams(FixedInfoBuffer(0), FixedInfoSize)
>     If error = 0 Then
>             CopyMemory FixedInfo, FixedInfoBuffer(0), Len(FixedInfo)
>             MsgBox "Host Name:  " & FixedInfo.HostName 'host name
>             MsgBox "DNS Servers:  " & 
> FixedInfo.DnsServerList.IpAddress 'dns
> server IP
>             pAddrStr = FixedInfo.DnsServerList.Next
>             Do While pAddrStr <> 0
>                   CopyMemory Buffer, ByVal pAddrStr, Len(Buffer)
>                   MsgBox "DNS Servers:  " & Buffer.IpAddress 
> 'dns server IP
>                   pAddrStr = Buffer.Next
>             Loop
>             
>             Select Case FixedInfo.NodeType 'node type
>                        Case 1
>                                   MsgBox "Node type: Broadcast"
>                        Case 2
>                                    MsgBox "Node type: Peer to peer"
>                        Case 4
>                                     MsgBox "Node type: Mixed"
>                        Case 8
>                                     MsgBox "Node type: Hybrid"
>                        Case Else
>                                     MsgBox "Unknown node type"
>             End Select
>             
>             MsgBox "NetBIOS Scope ID:  " & FixedInfo.ScopeId 'scope ID
>             'routing
>             If FixedInfo.EnableRouting Then
>                        MsgBox "IP Routing Enabled "
>             Else
>                        MsgBox "IP Routing not enabled"
>             End If
>             ' proxy
>             If FixedInfo.EnableProxy Then
>                        MsgBox "WINS Proxy Enabled "
>             Else
>                        MsgBox "WINS Proxy not Enabled "
>             End If
>             ' netbios
>             If FixedInfo.EnableDns Then
>                       MsgBox "NetBIOS Resolution Uses DNS "
>             Else
>                       MsgBox "NetBIOS Resolution Does not use DNS  "
>             End If
>     Else
>             MsgBox "GetNetworkParams failed with error " & error
>             Exit Function
>     End If
>     
>     'Enumerate all of the adapter specific information using the
> IP_ADAPTER_INFO structure.
>     'Note:  IP_ADAPTER_INFO contains a linked list of adapter entries.
>     
>     AdapterInfoSize = 0
>     error = GetAdaptersInfo(ByVal 0&, AdapterInfoSize)
>     If error <> 0 Then
>         If error <> ERROR_BUFFER_OVERFLOW Then
>            MsgBox "GetAdaptersInfo sizing failed with error " & error
>            Exit Function
>         End If
>     End If
>    ReDim AdapterInfoBuffer(AdapterInfoSize - 1)
>  
>  ' Get actual adapter information
>    error = GetAdaptersInfo(AdapterInfoBuffer(0), AdapterInfoSize)
>    If error <> 0 Then
>       MsgBox "GetAdaptersInfo failed with error " & error
>       Exit Function
>    End If
>    CopyMemory AdapterInfo, AdapterInfoBuffer(0), Len(AdapterInfo)
>    pAdapt = AdapterInfo.Next
> 
>    Do While pAdapt <> 0
>         CopyMemory Buffer2, AdapterInfo, Len(Buffer2)
>           Select Case Buffer2.Type
>                 Case MIB_IF_TYPE_ETHERNET
>                     MsgBox "Ethernet adapter "
>                 Case MIB_IF_TYPE_TOKENRING
>                     MsgBox "Token Ring adapter "
>                 Case MIB_IF_TYPE_FDDI
>                     MsgBox "FDDI adapter "
>                 Case MIB_IF_TYPE_PPP
>                     MsgBox "PPP adapter"
>                 Case MIB_IF_TYPE_LOOPBACK
>                     MsgBox "Loopback adapter "
>                 Case MIB_IF_TYPE_SLIP
>                     MsgBox "Slip adapter "
>                 Case Else
>                     MsgBox "Other adapter "
>         End Select
>     MsgBox " AdapterName: " & Buffer2.AdapterName
>     MsgBox "AdapterDescription: " & Buffer2.Description 'adatpter name
> 
>     For i = 0 To Buffer2.AddressLength - 1
>            PhysicalAddress = PhysicalAddress & Hex(Buffer2.Address(i))
>             If i < Buffer2.AddressLength - 1 Then
>              PhysicalAddress = PhysicalAddress & "-"
>             End If
> 
>     Next
>     MsgBox "Physical Address: " & PhysicalAddress 'mac address
>     If Buffer2.DhcpEnabled Then
>             MsgBox "DHCP Enabled "
>     Else
>             MsgBox "DHCP disabled"
>     End If
> 
>     pAddrStr = Buffer2.IpAddressList.Next
>     Do While pAddrStr <> 0
>            CopyMemory Buffer, Buffer2.IpAddressList, LenB(Buffer)
>            MsgBox "IP Address: " & Buffer.IpAddress
>            MsgBox "Subnet Mask: " & Buffer.IpMask
>            pAddrStr = Buffer.Next
>            If pAddrStr <> 0 Then
>             CopyMemory Buffer2.IpAddressList, ByVal pAddrStr,
> Len(Buffer2.IpAddressList)
>            End If
>    Loop
>     MsgBox "Default Gateway: " & Buffer2.GatewayList.IpAddress
>     pAddrStr = Buffer2.GatewayList.Next
>     Do While pAddrStr <> 0
>             CopyMemory Buffer, Buffer2.GatewayList, Len(Buffer)
>             MsgBox "IP Address: " & Buffer.IpAddress
>             pAddrStr = Buffer.Next
>             If pAddrStr <> 0 Then
>             CopyMemory Buffer2.GatewayList, ByVal pAddrStr,
> Len(Buffer2.GatewayList)
>             End If
>     Loop
> 
>     MsgBox "DHCP Server: " & Buffer2.DhcpServer.IpAddress
>     MsgBox "Primary WINS Server: " & 
> Buffer2.PrimaryWinsServer.IpAddress
>     MsgBox "Secondary WINS Server: " & 
> Buffer2.SecondaryWinsServer.IpAddress
> 
>     ' Display time
>     NewTime = CDate(Adapt.LeaseObtained)
>     MsgBox "Lease Obtained: " & CStr(NewTime)
> 
>     NewTime = CDate(Adapt.LeaseExpires)
>     MsgBox "Lease Expires :  " & CStr(NewTime)
>     pAdapt = Buffer2.Next
>     If pAdapt <> 0 Then
>         CopyMemory AdapterInfo, ByVal pAdapt, Len(AdapterInfo)
>     End If
> 
>    Loop
>    
> End Function
> 
> --
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> 
> 
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From d.dick at uws.edu.au  Tue Sep 21 22:22:52 2004
From: d.dick at uws.edu.au (Darren DICK)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 13:22:52 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Getting MAC Address
In-Reply-To: <41517819.18435.58E4D@lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <200409220323.i8M3N6XH028290@cooper.uws.edu.au>

Thanks I'll give it a go

See ya 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Wednesday, 22 September 2004 1:03 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problemsolving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K: Getting MAC Address

On 22 Sep 2004 at 12:32, Darren DICK wrote:

> If I change that line to Do While pAdapt = 0 it works as expected with 
> The relevant MSGBOX's but of course it puts itself into an endless 
> loop
> 
> Any idea why the pAdapt bit is returning 0??
> 

No idea, it works fine on this machine.

You could try dropping the loop code completely and just doing a single pass
through. That will always return the values for the first adapter if you
have one.



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From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Wed Sep 22 00:38:52 2004
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps - IT Helps)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 07:38:52 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Getting MAC Address
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF735C@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

The first adapter could be (when wrongly configured) a RAS adapter that
has no connection.
That returns a 0...

You must loop until you find the right adapter.

Erwin

-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Namens Darren DICK
Verzonden: woensdag 22 september 2004 5:23
Aan: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Onderwerp: RE: [AccessD] A2K: Getting MAC Address

Thanks I'll give it a go

See ya 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart
McLachlan
Sent: Wednesday, 22 September 2004 1:03 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problemsolving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K: Getting MAC Address

On 22 Sep 2004 at 12:32, Darren DICK wrote:

> If I change that line to Do While pAdapt = 0 it works as expected with

> The relevant MSGBOX's but of course it puts itself into an endless 
> loop
> 
> Any idea why the pAdapt bit is returning 0??
> 

No idea, it works fine on this machine.

You could try dropping the loop code completely and just doing a single
pass through. That will always return the values for the first adapter
if you have one.



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From d.dick at uws.edu.au  Wed Sep 22 00:54:29 2004
From: d.dick at uws.edu.au (Darren DICK)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 15:54:29 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Getting MAC Address
In-Reply-To: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF735C@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
Message-ID: <200409220554.i8M5sYXH002318@cooper.uws.edu.au>

Thanks Irwin
I removed the loop set
It now works fine
Many thanks to all
Especially Stuart

See y'all

DD
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Erwin Craps - IT
Helps
Sent: Wednesday, 22 September 2004 3:39 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K: Getting MAC Address

The first adapter could be (when wrongly configured) a RAS adapter that has
no connection.
That returns a 0...

You must loop until you find the right adapter.

Erwin

-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Namens Darren DICK
Verzonden: woensdag 22 september 2004 5:23
Aan: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Onderwerp: RE: [AccessD] A2K: Getting MAC Address

Thanks I'll give it a go

See ya 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Wednesday, 22 September 2004 1:03 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problemsolving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K: Getting MAC Address

On 22 Sep 2004 at 12:32, Darren DICK wrote:

> If I change that line to Do While pAdapt = 0 it works as expected with

> The relevant MSGBOX's but of course it puts itself into an endless 
> loop
> 
> Any idea why the pAdapt bit is returning 0??
> 

No idea, it works fine on this machine.

You could try dropping the loop code completely and just doing a single pass
through. That will always return the values for the first adapter if you
have one.



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From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Sep 22 04:47:21 2004
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 11:47:21 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] ADPs  in the future
In-Reply-To: <4150A1F5.3050506@shaw.ca>
References: <5.2.0.9.0.20040922082307.00bd8790@mail.dalyn.co.nz>
	<4150A1F5.3050506@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <377660415.20040922114721@cactus.dk>

Hi Marty

Though I haven't played with the "Express" versions, this sounds
interesting. I have, however, no idea why "CLR assemblies and complex
data types" would require a complete rewrite, so could you please
spell out for SQL 2005 dummies like me, what this message means?

What I read is that an Access ADP cannot - and will not be able to -
work with SQL 2005 ... I guess "SQLS 2000 compatibility mode" is not
something you can turn on and off but something you choose at
installation time.

/gustav


> Just in passing concerning future design
> about ADP's from Access 2003 on down that will not play fair with SQL 
> Server 2005 Express (replacement for MSDE).

>  Re: Access 2002 and SQL Express
>  From:  "Mary Chipman [MSFT]" <mchip at online.microsoft.com> Sent:  
> 8/20/2004 11:30:58 AM

> You will not be able to use any of the designers with SQLS 2005
> databases, whether it's SQL Express or the Developer edition. IOW, you
> won't be able to create databases, tables, views or any other database
> objects from an ADP. The only support that is envisioned is that you
> will be able to connect an Access front-end to a SQLS 2005 back end if
> it is running in SQLS 2000 compatibility mode, so your forms, reports
> and other local Access objects should still run. There is no service
> pack or quick fix being planned as far as I know because of the amount
> of work it would entail. If you stop to think about it, it's pretty
> hard to see how accomodating new Yukon features like CLR assemblies
> and complex data types in the ADP designers could be achieved without
> a complete rewrite.

> --Mary Chipman

> -- 
> Marty Connelly
> Victoria, B.C.
> Canada



From Rich_Lavsa at pghcorning.com  Wed Sep 22 06:38:41 2004
From: Rich_Lavsa at pghcorning.com (Lavsa, Rich)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 07:38:41 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: send email receive fax
Message-ID: <833956F5C117124A89417638FDB11290EBD2AC@goexchange.pghcorning.com>

Hello all listers,

I am just looking for software/service suggestions from anyone who has used
anything that takes a simple email and processes it and sends it to a fax
phone number.  Whether is was used as an integrated part of your exchange
server, or if it was a service you simply send an email to and they take
care of sending it as a fax which contains the body and attachments of the
email.

Any suggestions would be appreciated.  Currently I'm testing
www.send2fax.com 's software.  Seems to be ok so far.. But still looking for
suggestions on anything anyone has working reliably for a period of time.

Thanks,
Rich


From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Wed Sep 22 07:58:48 2004
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps - IT Helps)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 14:58:48 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] OT: send email receive fax
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF0ADBFA@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

GFI faxmaker 
http://www.gfi.com/

It's not the best  but I  been using it for 4 years now and works pretty
fine for a reasonable price.

Sending a fax is trugh E-mail client. 

The to address forms like this

[FAX:Erwin Craps at IT HELPS at +3216296405]

You can include .FAX, .XLS, .PDF attachement to your E-mail and it will
be faxed from the exchange server....


Erwin

 

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lavsa, Rich
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 1:39 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] OT: send email receive fax

Hello all listers,

I am just looking for software/service suggestions from anyone who has
used anything that takes a simple email and processes it and sends it to
a fax phone number.  Whether is was used as an integrated part of your
exchange server, or if it was a service you simply send an email to and
they take care of sending it as a fax which contains the body and
attachments of the email.

Any suggestions would be appreciated.  Currently I'm testing
www.send2fax.com 's software.  Seems to be ok so far.. But still looking
for suggestions on anything anyone has working reliably for a period of
time.

Thanks,
Rich
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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Wed Sep 22 08:18:46 2004
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 08:18:46 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] ADPs  in the future
In-Reply-To: <15910694.1095847442624.JavaMail.root@sniper5.usinternet.com>
Message-ID: <001201c4a0a6$b1529090$de1811d8@danwaters>

Hello to All,

Well, I am now confused.  I have read that Access 2003, as an ADP, includes
a builder for stored procedures.  Why would MS add this feature to a product
if it can't be used?

There has to be more to this story.

Dan Waters

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 4:47 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] ADPs in the future

Hi Marty

Though I haven't played with the "Express" versions, this sounds
interesting. I have, however, no idea why "CLR assemblies and complex
data types" would require a complete rewrite, so could you please
spell out for SQL 2005 dummies like me, what this message means?

What I read is that an Access ADP cannot - and will not be able to -
work with SQL 2005 ... I guess "SQLS 2000 compatibility mode" is not
something you can turn on and off but something you choose at
installation time.

/gustav


> Just in passing concerning future design
> about ADP's from Access 2003 on down that will not play fair with SQL 
> Server 2005 Express (replacement for MSDE).

>  Re: Access 2002 and SQL Express
>  From:  "Mary Chipman [MSFT]" <mchip at online.microsoft.com> Sent:  
> 8/20/2004 11:30:58 AM

> You will not be able to use any of the designers with SQLS 2005
> databases, whether it's SQL Express or the Developer edition. IOW, you
> won't be able to create databases, tables, views or any other database
> objects from an ADP. The only support that is envisioned is that you
> will be able to connect an Access front-end to a SQLS 2005 back end if
> it is running in SQLS 2000 compatibility mode, so your forms, reports
> and other local Access objects should still run. There is no service
> pack or quick fix being planned as far as I know because of the amount
> of work it would entail. If you stop to think about it, it's pretty
> hard to see how accomodating new Yukon features like CLR assemblies
> and complex data types in the ADP designers could be achieved without
> a complete rewrite.

> --Mary Chipman

> -- 
> Marty Connelly
> Victoria, B.C.
> Canada

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From jimdettman at earthlink.net  Wed Sep 22 09:27:01 2004
From: jimdettman at earthlink.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 10:27:01 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] ADPs  in the future
In-Reply-To: <4150A1F5.3050506@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <NEBBKADGELICHEJJCKGKIEPLKEAA.jimdettman@earthlink.net>


  If I'm not mistaken, Martin alluded to this some time ago, basically
making the statement that the Access world was going to have a serious
departure from SQL within the next version or two and there would be a lot
of unhappy folks.

  Looks like its about to happen.

Jim
(315) 699-3443
jimdettman at earthlink.net

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 5:50 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] ADPs in the future


Just in passing concerning future design
about ADP's from Access 2003 on down that will not play fair with SQL
Server 2005 Express (replacement for MSDE).

 Re: Access 2002 and SQL Express
 From:  "Mary Chipman [MSFT]" <mchip at online.microsoft.com> Sent:
8/20/2004 11:30:58 AM

You will not be able to use any of the designers with SQLS 2005
databases, whether it's SQL Express or the Developer edition. IOW, you
won't be able to create databases, tables, views or any other database
objects from an ADP. The only support that is envisioned is that you
will be able to connect an Access front-end to a SQLS 2005 back end if
it is running in SQLS 2000 compatibility mode, so your forms, reports
and other local Access objects should still run. There is no service
pack or quick fix being planned as far as I know because of the amount
of work it would entail. If you stop to think about it, it's pretty
hard to see how accomodating new Yukon features like CLR assemblies
and complex data types in the ADP designers could be achieved without
a complete rewrite.

--Mary Chipman

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From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Wed Sep 22 08:37:43 2004
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 14:37:43 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] ADPs  in the future
References: <001201c4a0a6$b1529090$de1811d8@danwaters>
Message-ID: <000f01c4a0a9$5672fc70$9111758f@aine>

The problem has been know about for some time. SQL Server 2005 is a major 
rewrite and at the time they began development they decided they would not 
provide access to its features from Access and ADPs mainly becasue they view 
Access as a power user application - STILL. Lot of .NET stuff built into 
SQLS erver 2005 and they figured it wasnt worth the cost or effort to 
rewrite the ADP functionality in Access to deal with this.

The next version of Access is being previewed in the UK at a user group 
meeting on 11 Nov. According to the publicity they (MS)have rebuilt the 
Access dev team including a new prroduct manager and it is believed major 
changes are being worked on.

I remember replying to that email from Mary Chipman on an MS Newsgroup 
saying this was one of Microsofts more stupid ideas. I also recollect 
telling the Access project manager the same thing at least a year ago.

Martin




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dan Waters" <dwaters at usinternet.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 2:18 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] ADPs in the future


> Hello to All,
>
> Well, I am now confused.  I have read that Access 2003, as an ADP, 
> includes
> a builder for stored procedures.  Why would MS add this feature to a 
> product
> if it can't be used?
>
> There has to be more to this story.
>
> Dan Waters
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
> Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 4:47 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] ADPs in the future
>
> Hi Marty
>
> Though I haven't played with the "Express" versions, this sounds
> interesting. I have, however, no idea why "CLR assemblies and complex
> data types" would require a complete rewrite, so could you please
> spell out for SQL 2005 dummies like me, what this message means?
>
> What I read is that an Access ADP cannot - and will not be able to -
> work with SQL 2005 ... I guess "SQLS 2000 compatibility mode" is not
> something you can turn on and off but something you choose at
> installation time.
>
> /gustav
>
>
>> Just in passing concerning future design
>> about ADP's from Access 2003 on down that will not play fair with SQL
>> Server 2005 Express (replacement for MSDE).
>
>>  Re: Access 2002 and SQL Express
>>  From:  "Mary Chipman [MSFT]" <mchip at online.microsoft.com> Sent:
>> 8/20/2004 11:30:58 AM
>
>> You will not be able to use any of the designers with SQLS 2005
>> databases, whether it's SQL Express or the Developer edition. IOW, you
>> won't be able to create databases, tables, views or any other database
>> objects from an ADP. The only support that is envisioned is that you
>> will be able to connect an Access front-end to a SQLS 2005 back end if
>> it is running in SQLS 2000 compatibility mode, so your forms, reports
>> and other local Access objects should still run. There is no service
>> pack or quick fix being planned as far as I know because of the amount
>> of work it would entail. If you stop to think about it, it's pretty
>> hard to see how accomodating new Yukon features like CLR assemblies
>> and complex data types in the ADP designers could be achieved without
>> a complete rewrite.
>
>> --Mary Chipman
>
>> -- 
>> Marty Connelly
>> Victoria, B.C.
>> Canada
>
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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Wed Sep 22 10:01:58 2004
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 10:01:58 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] ADPs  in the future
In-Reply-To: <15366821.1095864657480.JavaMail.root@sniper8.usinternet.com>
Message-ID: <001601c4a0b5$1bcb2780$de1811d8@danwaters>

Martin,

Thanks for the info.

Will it be possible for you to let us know what the changes are planned for
Access after 11 Nov?  I'll pace around till then . . . .

Thanks Again,
Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Martin Reid
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 8:38 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] ADPs in the future

The problem has been know about for some time. SQL Server 2005 is a major 
rewrite and at the time they began development they decided they would not 
provide access to its features from Access and ADPs mainly becasue they view

Access as a power user application - STILL. Lot of .NET stuff built into 
SQLS erver 2005 and they figured it wasnt worth the cost or effort to 
rewrite the ADP functionality in Access to deal with this.

The next version of Access is being previewed in the UK at a user group 
meeting on 11 Nov. According to the publicity they (MS)have rebuilt the 
Access dev team including a new prroduct manager and it is believed major 
changes are being worked on.

I remember replying to that email from Mary Chipman on an MS Newsgroup 
saying this was one of Microsofts more stupid ideas. I also recollect 
telling the Access project manager the same thing at least a year ago.

Martin




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dan Waters" <dwaters at usinternet.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 2:18 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] ADPs in the future


> Hello to All,
>
> Well, I am now confused.  I have read that Access 2003, as an ADP, 
> includes
> a builder for stored procedures.  Why would MS add this feature to a 
> product
> if it can't be used?
>
> There has to be more to this story.
>
> Dan Waters
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
> Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 4:47 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] ADPs in the future
>
> Hi Marty
>
> Though I haven't played with the "Express" versions, this sounds
> interesting. I have, however, no idea why "CLR assemblies and complex
> data types" would require a complete rewrite, so could you please
> spell out for SQL 2005 dummies like me, what this message means?
>
> What I read is that an Access ADP cannot - and will not be able to -
> work with SQL 2005 ... I guess "SQLS 2000 compatibility mode" is not
> something you can turn on and off but something you choose at
> installation time.
>
> /gustav
>
>
>> Just in passing concerning future design
>> about ADP's from Access 2003 on down that will not play fair with SQL
>> Server 2005 Express (replacement for MSDE).
>
>>  Re: Access 2002 and SQL Express
>>  From:  "Mary Chipman [MSFT]" <mchip at online.microsoft.com> Sent:
>> 8/20/2004 11:30:58 AM
>
>> You will not be able to use any of the designers with SQLS 2005
>> databases, whether it's SQL Express or the Developer edition. IOW, you
>> won't be able to create databases, tables, views or any other database
>> objects from an ADP. The only support that is envisioned is that you
>> will be able to connect an Access front-end to a SQLS 2005 back end if
>> it is running in SQLS 2000 compatibility mode, so your forms, reports
>> and other local Access objects should still run. There is no service
>> pack or quick fix being planned as far as I know because of the amount
>> of work it would entail. If you stop to think about it, it's pretty
>> hard to see how accomodating new Yukon features like CLR assemblies
>> and complex data types in the ADP designers could be achieved without
>> a complete rewrite.
>
>> --Mary Chipman
>
>> -- 
>> Marty Connelly
>> Victoria, B.C.
>> Canada
>
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From Developer at UltraDNT.com  Wed Sep 22 10:08:04 2004
From: Developer at UltraDNT.com (Steve Conklin (Developer@UltraDNT))
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 11:08:04 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] ADPs  in the future
In-Reply-To: <000f01c4a0a9$5672fc70$9111758f@aine>
Message-ID: <004a01c4a0b5$f5a65560$0200a8c0@COA3>

Is it known yet - will Office VBA become .Net next Office/Access version
(or VSTO expanded to include Access)?  
If so, the ADP issue doesn't seem to matter that much, imo, since SQL
will support .net in sp's, then what was a module can then run on the
server.  That's where the performance bottleneck is for me; linked
tables on a 100 mbit LAN runs fast enough that I don't get complaints
about that.


Steve



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Martin Reid
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 9:38 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] ADPs in the future


The problem has been know about for some time. SQL Server 2005 is a
major 
rewrite and at the time they began development they decided they would
not 
provide access to its features from Access and ADPs mainly becasue they
view 
Access as a power user application - STILL. Lot of .NET stuff built into

SQLS erver 2005 and they figured it wasnt worth the cost or effort to 
rewrite the ADP functionality in Access to deal with this.

The next version of Access is being previewed in the UK at a user group 
meeting on 11 Nov. According to the publicity they (MS)have rebuilt the 
Access dev team including a new prroduct manager and it is believed
major 
changes are being worked on.

I remember replying to that email from Mary Chipman on an MS Newsgroup 
saying this was one of Microsofts more stupid ideas. I also recollect 
telling the Access project manager the same thing at least a year ago.

Martin




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dan Waters" <dwaters at usinternet.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 2:18 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] ADPs in the future


> Hello to All,
>
> Well, I am now confused.  I have read that Access 2003, as an ADP,
> includes
> a builder for stored procedures.  Why would MS add this feature to a 
> product
> if it can't be used?
>
> There has to be more to this story.
>
> Dan Waters
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav 
> Brock
> Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 4:47 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] ADPs in the future
>
> Hi Marty
>
> Though I haven't played with the "Express" versions, this sounds 
> interesting. I have, however, no idea why "CLR assemblies and complex 
> data types" would require a complete rewrite, so could you please 
> spell out for SQL 2005 dummies like me, what this message means?
>
> What I read is that an Access ADP cannot - and will not be able to - 
> work with SQL 2005 ... I guess "SQLS 2000 compatibility mode" is not 
> something you can turn on and off but something you choose at 
> installation time.
>
> /gustav
>
>
>> Just in passing concerning future design
>> about ADP's from Access 2003 on down that will not play fair with SQL

>> Server 2005 Express (replacement for MSDE).
>
>>  Re: Access 2002 and SQL Express
>>  From:  "Mary Chipman [MSFT]" <mchip at online.microsoft.com> Sent: 
>> 8/20/2004 11:30:58 AM
>
>> You will not be able to use any of the designers with SQLS 2005 
>> databases, whether it's SQL Express or the Developer edition. IOW, 
>> you won't be able to create databases, tables, views or any other 
>> database objects from an ADP. The only support that is envisioned is 
>> that you will be able to connect an Access front-end to a SQLS 2005 
>> back end if it is running in SQLS 2000 compatibility mode, so your 
>> forms, reports and other local Access objects should still run. There

>> is no service pack or quick fix being planned as far as I know 
>> because of the amount of work it would entail. If you stop to think 
>> about it, it's pretty hard to see how accomodating new Yukon features

>> like CLR assemblies and complex data types in the ADP designers could

>> be achieved without a complete rewrite.
>
>> --Mary Chipman
>
>> --
>> Marty Connelly
>> Victoria, B.C.
>> Canada
>
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed Sep 22 10:36:08 2004
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 08:36:08 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] ADPs  in the future
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312A70@infoserver01.infostat.local>

CLR is the common language runtime, the lingua franca that managed code
is compiled into in VS.Net.  They would have to rewrite the ADP
designers to speak .Net, and that apparently is not in the works.

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 2:47 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] ADPs in the future


Hi Marty

Though I haven't played with the "Express" versions, this sounds
interesting. I have, however, no idea why "CLR assemblies and complex
data types" would require a complete rewrite, so could you please spell
out for SQL 2005 dummies like me, what this message means?

What I read is that an Access ADP cannot - and will not be able to -
work with SQL 2005 ... I guess "SQLS 2000 compatibility mode" is not
something you can turn on and off but something you choose at
installation time.

/gustav


> Just in passing concerning future design
> about ADP's from Access 2003 on down that will not play fair with SQL
> Server 2005 Express (replacement for MSDE).

>  Re: Access 2002 and SQL Express
>  From:  "Mary Chipman [MSFT]" <mchip at online.microsoft.com> Sent:
> 8/20/2004 11:30:58 AM

> You will not be able to use any of the designers with SQLS 2005 
> databases, whether it's SQL Express or the Developer edition. IOW, you

> won't be able to create databases, tables, views or any other database

> objects from an ADP. The only support that is envisioned is that you 
> will be able to connect an Access front-end to a SQLS 2005 back end if

> it is running in SQLS 2000 compatibility mode, so your forms, reports 
> and other local Access objects should still run. There is no service 
> pack or quick fix being planned as far as I know because of the amount

> of work it would entail. If you stop to think about it, it's pretty 
> hard to see how accomodating new Yukon features like CLR assemblies 
> and complex data types in the ADP designers could be achieved without 
> a complete rewrite.

> --Mary Chipman

> --
> Marty Connelly
> Victoria, B.C.
> Canada

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed Sep 22 10:37:18 2004
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 08:37:18 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] ADPs  in the future
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312A71@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Access 2003 is designed to work with SQL Server 2000, not the next
version of SQL Server.

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Waters [mailto:dwaters at usinternet.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 6:19 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] ADPs in the future


Hello to All,

Well, I am now confused.  I have read that Access 2003, as an ADP,
includes a builder for stored procedures.  Why would MS add this feature
to a product if it can't be used?

There has to be more to this story.

Dan Waters

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 4:47 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] ADPs in the future

Hi Marty

Though I haven't played with the "Express" versions, this sounds
interesting. I have, however, no idea why "CLR assemblies and complex
data types" would require a complete rewrite, so could you please spell
out for SQL 2005 dummies like me, what this message means?

What I read is that an Access ADP cannot - and will not be able to -
work with SQL 2005 ... I guess "SQLS 2000 compatibility mode" is not
something you can turn on and off but something you choose at
installation time.

/gustav


> Just in passing concerning future design
> about ADP's from Access 2003 on down that will not play fair with SQL
> Server 2005 Express (replacement for MSDE).

>  Re: Access 2002 and SQL Express
>  From:  "Mary Chipman [MSFT]" <mchip at online.microsoft.com> Sent:
> 8/20/2004 11:30:58 AM

> You will not be able to use any of the designers with SQLS 2005 
> databases, whether it's SQL Express or the Developer edition. IOW, you

> won't be able to create databases, tables, views or any other database

> objects from an ADP. The only support that is envisioned is that you 
> will be able to connect an Access front-end to a SQLS 2005 back end if

> it is running in SQLS 2000 compatibility mode, so your forms, reports 
> and other local Access objects should still run. There is no service 
> pack or quick fix being planned as far as I know because of the amount

> of work it would entail. If you stop to think about it, it's pretty 
> hard to see how accomodating new Yukon features like CLR assemblies 
> and complex data types in the ADP designers could be achieved without 
> a complete rewrite.

> --Mary Chipman

> --
> Marty Connelly
> Victoria, B.C.
> Canada

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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Wed Sep 22 11:04:15 2004
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 17:04:15 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT: send email receive fax
In-Reply-To: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF0ADBFA@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
Message-ID: <009d01c4a0bd$cef25e70$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25>

Or Zetafax, see http://www.equisys.com , which integrates with Outlook and
Exchange Server. You pick an address from your Outlook address book and if
it is a fax number rather than an email address it gets faxed. Alternatively
you can just type in a fax number inoto Zetafax's own client. And like
Erwin's suggestion it takes PDF attachments and a few other sorts.

-- Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Erwin Craps - IT Helps
> Sent: 22 September 2004 13:59
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: send email receive fax
> 
> 
> GFI faxmaker 
> http://www.gfi.com/
> 
> It's not the best  but I  been using it for 4 years now and 
> works pretty fine for a reasonable price.
> 
> Sending a fax is trugh E-mail client. 
> 
> The to address forms like this
> 
> [FAX:Erwin Craps at IT HELPS at +3216296405]
> 
> You can include .FAX, .XLS, .PDF attachement to your E-mail 
> and it will be faxed from the exchange server....
> 
> 
> Erwin
> 
>  
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lavsa, Rich
> Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 1:39 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: [AccessD] OT: send email receive fax
> 
> Hello all listers,
> 
> I am just looking for software/service suggestions from 
> anyone who has used anything that takes a simple email and 
> processes it and sends it to a fax phone number.  Whether is 
> was used as an integrated part of your exchange server, or if 
> it was a service you simply send an email to and they take 
> care of sending it as a fax which contains the body and 
> attachments of the email.
> 
> Any suggestions would be appreciated.  Currently I'm testing 
> www.send2fax.com 's software.  Seems to be ok so far.. But 
> still looking for suggestions on anything anyone has working 
> reliably for a period of time.
> 
> Thanks,
> Rich
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From clh at christopherhawkins.com  Wed Sep 22 13:44:23 2004
From: clh at christopherhawkins.com (Christopher Hawkins)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 12:44:23 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Operation must use an updatable query...and it does.
Message-ID: <13680-220049322184423717@christopherhawkins.com>

This is weird.

I'm refitting an Access 2000 app that a client of mine wrote to run
his business.  One of the issues that has recently started happening
(after the client exported all the objects from a corrupted MDB into
a fresh MDB container) is that a query being run from a form triggers
the following error:

"Operation must use an updatable query"

Here is the code that is firing the query:

[code]  

DoCmd.SetWarnings False
DoCmd.OpenQuery "qryUpdateNotesCount"
DoCmd.SetWarnings True

[/code]

Primitive, but OK.  I figure the query is written incorrectly or has
recently been changed, and prepare myself to go clean it up/fix it. 
But here's the kicker:

1) This exact code - and this exact query - has been running fine for
years.  I can dig up previous versions of the app with this code and
query in them, and this line of code executes just fine.

2) If I actually go to the queries tab and double-click
qryUpdateNoteCount, it works just fine, even immediately after trying
to execute that code and throwing an error.

So now I'm scratching my head.  This is very perplexing.  This is the
only build of the app in which this line of code errors out.  Yet, I
can manually execute the query just fine in this build.  Even worse,
it only fails on some machines.  Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over?  This
used to work on every machine in the house.  

Here is the syntax of the query:

[code]

UPDATE Job SET Job.JobNotes = DCount("Note","tblNotes","JobID =" &
[forms]![frmfcod]![jobid])
WHERE (((Job.JobID)=[Forms]![frmFcod]![JobID]));
[/code]

I decompiled, recompiled, compacted & repaired.  No change.

I am considering going through the app and replacing this line of
code with something else to update this field.  But I'm loathe to do
so until I understand why the failure is occurring to start with.

Any ideas?

-Christopher Hawkins, the Great and Terrible-
Respectfully,

Christopher Hawkins
Software Developer
(559) 687-7591
http://www.christopherhawkins.com




From bchacc at san.rr.com  Wed Sep 22 14:11:49 2004
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 12:11:49 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Operation must use an updatable query...and it does.
References: <13680-220049322184423717@christopherhawkins.com>
Message-ID: <03e001c4a0d8$035e7a80$6601a8c0@HAL9002>

So when you go to the query itself it runs OK?  

I the code you're using identical to the SQL view in the query window?

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Christopher Hawkins" <clh at christopherhawkins.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 11:44 AM
Subject: [AccessD] Operation must use an updatable query...and it does.


> This is weird.
> 
> I'm refitting an Access 2000 app that a client of mine wrote to run
> his business.  One of the issues that has recently started happening
> (after the client exported all the objects from a corrupted MDB into
> a fresh MDB container) is that a query being run from a form triggers
> the following error:
> 
> "Operation must use an updatable query"
> 
> Here is the code that is firing the query:
> 
> [code]  
> 
> DoCmd.SetWarnings False
> DoCmd.OpenQuery "qryUpdateNotesCount"
> DoCmd.SetWarnings True
> 
> [/code]
> 
> Primitive, but OK.  I figure the query is written incorrectly or has
> recently been changed, and prepare myself to go clean it up/fix it. 
> But here's the kicker:
> 
> 1) This exact code - and this exact query - has been running fine for
> years.  I can dig up previous versions of the app with this code and
> query in them, and this line of code executes just fine.
> 
> 2) If I actually go to the queries tab and double-click
> qryUpdateNoteCount, it works just fine, even immediately after trying
> to execute that code and throwing an error.
> 
> So now I'm scratching my head.  This is very perplexing.  This is the
> only build of the app in which this line of code errors out.  Yet, I
> can manually execute the query just fine in this build.  Even worse,
> it only fails on some machines.  Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over?  This
> used to work on every machine in the house.  
> 
> Here is the syntax of the query:
> 
> [code]
> 
> UPDATE Job SET Job.JobNotes = DCount("Note","tblNotes","JobID =" &
> [forms]![frmfcod]![jobid])
> WHERE (((Job.JobID)=[Forms]![frmFcod]![JobID]));
> [/code]
> 
> I decompiled, recompiled, compacted & repaired.  No change.
> 
> I am considering going through the app and replacing this line of
> code with something else to update this field.  But I'm loathe to do
> so until I understand why the failure is occurring to start with.
> 
> Any ideas?
> 
> -Christopher Hawkins, the Great and Terrible-
> Respectfully,
> 
> Christopher Hawkins
> Software Developer
> (559) 687-7591
> http://www.christopherhawkins.com
> 
> 
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From davide at dalyn.co.nz  Wed Sep 22 14:22:47 2004
From: davide at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 07:22:47 +1200
Subject: [AccessD] Operation must use an updatable query...and it  does.
In-Reply-To: <03e001c4a0d8$035e7a80$6601a8c0@HAL9002>
References: <13680-220049322184423717@christopherhawkins.com>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20040923072018.00bb4d80@mail.dalyn.co.nz>

Just a very long shot, but does the Job table have a primary key?  I have 
found using SQL2000 that a recordset is only updateable via a form if the 
table has a primary key.  I don't know if this is relevant in your situation.

Regards

David Emerson
Dalyn Software Ltd
25 Cunliffe St, Churton Park
Wellington, New Zealand
Ph/Fax (04) 478-7456
Mobile 027-280-9348

At 22/09/2004, you wrote:
>So when you go to the query itself it runs OK?
>
>I the code you're using identical to the SQL view in the query window?
>
>Rocky
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Christopher Hawkins" <clh at christopherhawkins.com>
>To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 11:44 AM
>Subject: [AccessD] Operation must use an updatable query...and it does.
>
>
> > This is weird.
> >
> > I'm refitting an Access 2000 app that a client of mine wrote to run
> > his business.  One of the issues that has recently started happening
> > (after the client exported all the objects from a corrupted MDB into
> > a fresh MDB container) is that a query being run from a form triggers
> > the following error:
> >
> > "Operation must use an updatable query"
> >
> > Here is the code that is firing the query:
> >
> > [code]
> >
> > DoCmd.SetWarnings False
> > DoCmd.OpenQuery "qryUpdateNotesCount"
> > DoCmd.SetWarnings True
> >
> > [/code]
> >
> > Primitive, but OK.  I figure the query is written incorrectly or has
> > recently been changed, and prepare myself to go clean it up/fix it.
> > But here's the kicker:
> >
> > 1) This exact code - and this exact query - has been running fine for
> > years.  I can dig up previous versions of the app with this code and
> > query in them, and this line of code executes just fine.
> >
> > 2) If I actually go to the queries tab and double-click
> > qryUpdateNoteCount, it works just fine, even immediately after trying
> > to execute that code and throwing an error.
> >
> > So now I'm scratching my head.  This is very perplexing.  This is the
> > only build of the app in which this line of code errors out.  Yet, I
> > can manually execute the query just fine in this build.  Even worse,
> > it only fails on some machines.  Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over?  This
> > used to work on every machine in the house.
> >
> > Here is the syntax of the query:
> >
> > [code]
> >
> > UPDATE Job SET Job.JobNotes = DCount("Note","tblNotes","JobID =" &
> > [forms]![frmfcod]![jobid])
> > WHERE (((Job.JobID)=[Forms]![frmFcod]![JobID]));
> > [/code]
> >
> > I decompiled, recompiled, compacted & repaired.  No change.
> >
> > I am considering going through the app and replacing this line of
> > code with something else to update this field.  But I'm loathe to do
> > so until I understand why the failure is occurring to start with.
> >
> > Any ideas?
> >
> > -Christopher Hawkins, the Great and Terrible-
> > Respectfully,
> >
> > Christopher Hawkins
> > Software Developer
> > (559) 687-7591
> > http://www.christopherhawkins.com



From jimdettman at earthlink.net  Wed Sep 22 14:35:13 2004
From: jimdettman at earthlink.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 15:35:13 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Operation must use an updatable query...and it does.
In-Reply-To: <13680-220049322184423717@christopherhawkins.com>
Message-ID: <NEBBKADGELICHEJJCKGKCEBIKFAA.jimdettman@earthlink.net>

Chris,

  make sure your up to date on SP's for JET and MDAC.

Jim Dettman
President,
Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
(315) 699-3443
jimdettman at earthlink.net 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Christopher
Hawkins
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 2:44 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Operation must use an updatable query...and it does.


This is weird.

I'm refitting an Access 2000 app that a client of mine wrote to run
his business.  One of the issues that has recently started happening
(after the client exported all the objects from a corrupted MDB into
a fresh MDB container) is that a query being run from a form triggers
the following error:

"Operation must use an updatable query"

Here is the code that is firing the query:

[code]  

DoCmd.SetWarnings False
DoCmd.OpenQuery "qryUpdateNotesCount"
DoCmd.SetWarnings True

[/code]

Primitive, but OK.  I figure the query is written incorrectly or has
recently been changed, and prepare myself to go clean it up/fix it. 
But here's the kicker:

1) This exact code - and this exact query - has been running fine for
years.  I can dig up previous versions of the app with this code and
query in them, and this line of code executes just fine.

2) If I actually go to the queries tab and double-click
qryUpdateNoteCount, it works just fine, even immediately after trying
to execute that code and throwing an error.

So now I'm scratching my head.  This is very perplexing.  This is the
only build of the app in which this line of code errors out.  Yet, I
can manually execute the query just fine in this build.  Even worse,
it only fails on some machines.  Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over?  This
used to work on every machine in the house.  

Here is the syntax of the query:

[code]

UPDATE Job SET Job.JobNotes = DCount("Note","tblNotes","JobID =" &
[forms]![frmfcod]![jobid])
WHERE (((Job.JobID)=[Forms]![frmFcod]![JobID]));
[/code]

I decompiled, recompiled, compacted & repaired.  No change.

I am considering going through the app and replacing this line of
code with something else to update this field.  But I'm loathe to do
so until I understand why the failure is occurring to start with.

Any ideas?

-Christopher Hawkins, the Great and Terrible-
Respectfully,

Christopher Hawkins
Software Developer
(559) 687-7591
http://www.christopherhawkins.com


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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed Sep 22 15:19:34 2004
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 13:19:34 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Operation must use an updatable query...and it does.
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312A75@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Try adding the Distinctrow keyword to SQL.  

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Christopher Hawkins [mailto:clh at christopherhawkins.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 11:44 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Operation must use an updatable query...and it does.


This is weird.

I'm refitting an Access 2000 app that a client of mine wrote to run his
business.  One of the issues that has recently started happening (after
the client exported all the objects from a corrupted MDB into a fresh
MDB container) is that a query being run from a form triggers the
following error:

"Operation must use an updatable query"

Here is the code that is firing the query:

[code]  

DoCmd.SetWarnings False
DoCmd.OpenQuery "qryUpdateNotesCount"
DoCmd.SetWarnings True

[/code]

Primitive, but OK.  I figure the query is written incorrectly or has
recently been changed, and prepare myself to go clean it up/fix it. 
But here's the kicker:

1) This exact code - and this exact query - has been running fine for
years.  I can dig up previous versions of the app with this code and
query in them, and this line of code executes just fine.

2) If I actually go to the queries tab and double-click
qryUpdateNoteCount, it works just fine, even immediately after trying to
execute that code and throwing an error.

So now I'm scratching my head.  This is very perplexing.  This is the
only build of the app in which this line of code errors out.  Yet, I can
manually execute the query just fine in this build.  Even worse, it only
fails on some machines.  Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over?  This used to work
on every machine in the house.  

Here is the syntax of the query:

[code]

UPDATE Job SET Job.JobNotes = DCount("Note","tblNotes","JobID =" &
[forms]![frmfcod]![jobid])
WHERE (((Job.JobID)=[Forms]![frmFcod]![JobID]));
[/code]

I decompiled, recompiled, compacted & repaired.  No change.

I am considering going through the app and replacing this line of code
with something else to update this field.  But I'm loathe to do so until
I understand why the failure is occurring to start with.

Any ideas?

-Christopher Hawkins, the Great and Terrible-
Respectfully,

Christopher Hawkins
Software Developer
(559) 687-7591
http://www.christopherhawkins.com


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From skirlic at tbmc.com  Wed Sep 22 15:37:04 2004
From: skirlic at tbmc.com (Sead Kirlic)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 15:37:04 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Overflow
Message-ID: <B0068582447@mail8.nshosts.com>

I need help on this one.

One of reports in my database will not open. Message I receive is
"Overflow". There are total of 6 reports and 5 of them are OK.

 

Sezak99

 



From carlo at xsit.nl  Wed Sep 22 17:41:03 2004
From: carlo at xsit.nl (Carlo van der Zon (Access IT Training))
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 00:41:03 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Create ADE from ADP
Message-ID: <844F188BB505654DBCF15C4B24106C101D4D05@headcon.headit.nl>

Hi Group,

I have fine working ADP, but how to create an ADE?  Access tells me it's
not possible. 

Thanks
Carlo


From roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk  Thu Sep 23 03:32:46 2004
From: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk (Roz Clarke)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 09:32:46 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] ADPs - accessing SQL Views
Message-ID: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C8318805CED4D7@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>

Dear all

I have had this problem raised by one of the developers on my team. Can
anyone assist?

"Using ADO objects via OLE DB, I can access data in my SQL Server database
in the form of tables and stored procs with no problem.  When I try and
retrieve records from a SQL Server view, I get an OLE DB error.  I have
tried using all the different ways, command objects, recordsets etc."

TIA

Roz
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Sep 23 03:08:48 2004
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 10:08:48 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] ADPs  in the future
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312A70@infoserver01.infostat.local>
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312A70@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <933849044.20040923100848@cactus.dk>

Hi Charlotte

Thanks.

/gustav


> CLR is the common language runtime, the lingua franca that managed code
> is compiled into in VS.Net.  They would have to rewrite the ADP
> designers to speak .Net, and that apparently is not in the works.

> Charlotte Foust


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk] 
> Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 2:47 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] ADPs in the future


> Hi Marty

> Though I haven't played with the "Express" versions, this sounds
> interesting. I have, however, no idea why "CLR assemblies and complex
> data types" would require a complete rewrite, so could you please spell
> out for SQL 2005 dummies like me, what this message means?

> What I read is that an Access ADP cannot - and will not be able to -
> work with SQL 2005 ... I guess "SQLS 2000 compatibility mode" is not
> something you can turn on and off but something you choose at
> installation time.

> /gustav


>> Just in passing concerning future design
>> about ADP's from Access 2003 on down that will not play fair with SQL
>> Server 2005 Express (replacement for MSDE).

>>  Re: Access 2002 and SQL Express
>>  From:  "Mary Chipman [MSFT]" <mchip at online.microsoft.com> Sent:
>> 8/20/2004 11:30:58 AM

>> You will not be able to use any of the designers with SQLS 2005 
>> databases, whether it's SQL Express or the Developer edition. IOW, you

>> won't be able to create databases, tables, views or any other database

>> objects from an ADP. The only support that is envisioned is that you 
>> will be able to connect an Access front-end to a SQLS 2005 back end if

>> it is running in SQLS 2000 compatibility mode, so your forms, reports 
>> and other local Access objects should still run. There is no service 
>> pack or quick fix being planned as far as I know because of the amount

>> of work it would entail. If you stop to think about it, it's pretty 
>> hard to see how accomodating new Yukon features like CLR assemblies 
>> and complex data types in the ADP designers could be achieved without 
>> a complete rewrite.

>> --Mary Chipman

>> --
>> Marty Connelly
>> Victoria, B.C.
>> Canada

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From gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Sep 23 03:55:12 2004
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 10:55:12 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Operation must use an updatable query...and it does.
In-Reply-To: <13680-220049322184423717@christopherhawkins.com>
References: <13680-220049322184423717@christopherhawkins.com>
Message-ID: <406633498.20040923105512@cactus.dk>

Hi Christopher

First, specify the control as a parameter:

PARAMETERS [Forms]![frmFcod]![JobID] Long;
UPDATE Job
SET Job.JobNotes =
DCount("Note","tblNotes","JobID =" & [Forms]![frmFcod]![JobID])
WHERE (((Job.JobID)=[Forms]![frmFcod]![JobID]));

If that doesn't work, why not rewrite it:

  PARAMETERS JobNo Long, NoteCount Long;
  UPDATE Job
  SET Job.JobNotes = NoteCount
  WHERE (Job.JobID = JobNo);

and then:

  lngJobID = Nz([Forms]![frmFcod]![JobID], 0)
  lngNoteCount = DCount("Note", "tblNotes", "JobID = " & lngJobID & "")
  Set dbs = CurrentDb()
  Set qdy = dbs.QueryDefs("qryUpdateNotesCount")
  Set qdy.Parameters("JobNo").Value = lngJobID
  Set qdy.Parameters("NoteCount").Value = lngNoteCount
  qdy.Execute
  qdy.Close

This may turn out faster than debugging the current code.

/gustav


> This is weird.

> I'm refitting an Access 2000 app that a client of mine wrote to run
> his business.  One of the issues that has recently started happening
> (after the client exported all the objects from a corrupted MDB into
> a fresh MDB container) is that a query being run from a form triggers
> the following error:

> "Operation must use an updatable query"

> Here is the code that is firing the query:

> [code]  

> DoCmd.SetWarnings False
> DoCmd.OpenQuery "qryUpdateNotesCount"
> DoCmd.SetWarnings True

> [/code]

> Primitive, but OK.  I figure the query is written incorrectly or has
> recently been changed, and prepare myself to go clean it up/fix it. 
> But here's the kicker:

> 1) This exact code - and this exact query - has been running fine for
> years.  I can dig up previous versions of the app with this code and
> query in them, and this line of code executes just fine.

> 2) If I actually go to the queries tab and double-click
> qryUpdateNoteCount, it works just fine, even immediately after trying
> to execute that code and throwing an error.

> So now I'm scratching my head.  This is very perplexing.  This is the
> only build of the app in which this line of code errors out.  Yet, I
> can manually execute the query just fine in this build.  Even worse,
> it only fails on some machines.  Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over?  This
> used to work on every machine in the house.  

> Here is the syntax of the query:

> [code]

> UPDATE Job SET Job.JobNotes = DCount("Note","tblNotes","JobID =" &
> [forms]![frmfcod]![jobid])
> WHERE (((Job.JobID)=[Forms]![frmFcod]![JobID]));
> [/code]

> I decompiled, recompiled, compacted & repaired.  No change.

> I am considering going through the app and replacing this line of
> code with something else to update this field.  But I'm loathe to do
> so until I understand why the failure is occurring to start with.

> Any ideas?

> -Christopher Hawkins, the Great and Terrible-
> Respectfully,

> Christopher Hawkins
> Software Developer
> (559) 687-7591
> http://www.christopherhawkins.com



From Paul.Rogers at SummitMedia.co.uk  Thu Sep 23 04:01:14 2004
From: Paul.Rogers at SummitMedia.co.uk (Paul Rodgers)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 10:01:14 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Emailing directly from the form
Message-ID: <EAF3070ACB1AD81182280002A51EF731192243@s003.wolds.summitmedia.co.uk>

Is there a simple way to email from the form, specifying certain fields like
[Name], [Department], [Date] please, Craftsfolk? (I use Outlook and
Access2K) 

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From: prodevmg at yahoo.com (Lonnie Johnson)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 02:32:24 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Overflow
In-Reply-To: <B0068582447@mail8.nshosts.com>
Message-ID: <20040923093224.19763.qmail@web20423.mail.yahoo.com>

Check to see if there is a field that does some type of mathmatical calculation like division and see if there is possible division by zero. Access does not like that.

Sead Kirlic <skirlic at tbmc.com> wrote:I need help on this one.

One of reports in my database will not open. Message I receive is
"Overflow". There are total of 6 reports and 5 of them are OK.



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From prodevmg at yahoo.com  Thu Sep 23 04:36:26 2004
From: prodevmg at yahoo.com (Lonnie Johnson)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 02:36:26 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Emailing directly from the form
In-Reply-To: <EAF3070ACB1AD81182280002A51EF731192243@s003.wolds.summitmedia.co.uk>
Message-ID: <20040923093626.53675.qmail@web20426.mail.yahoo.com>

If you know VBA you can set up a button on your form and in the Click Event you can use the DoCmd.SendObject command and in the parameters for the recipient and subject and so on, you can reference a field on your form.

Paul Rodgers <Paul.Rogers at SummitMedia.co.uk> wrote:Is there a simple way to email from the form, specifying certain fields like
[Name], [Department], [Date] please, Craftsfolk? (I use Outlook and
Access2K) 

Cheers
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From roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk  Thu Sep 23 04:53:10 2004
From: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk (Roz Clarke)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 10:53:10 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Emailing directly from the form
Message-ID: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C8318805CED4DC@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>

All you need, as far as I can see, is the SendObject method. You can pass
form fields as string variables into the header or body of the email.

HTH

Roz

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Subject: [AccessD] Emailing directly from the form


Is there a simple way to email from the form, specifying certain fields like
[Name], [Department], [Date] please, Craftsfolk? (I use Outlook and
Access2K) 

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From Paul.Rogers at SummitMedia.co.uk  Thu Sep 23 05:03:36 2004
From: Paul.Rogers at SummitMedia.co.uk (Paul Rodgers)
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Brilliant, Lonnie. I haven't done this before, and expected complications.
Thanks very much. Cheers
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you can use the DoCmd.SendObject command and in the parameters for the
recipient and subject and so on, you can reference a field on your form.

Paul Rodgers <Paul.Rogers at SummitMedia.co.uk> wrote:Is there a simple way to
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From Paul.Rogers at SummitMedia.co.uk  Thu Sep 23 05:10:04 2004
From: Paul.Rogers at SummitMedia.co.uk (Paul Rodgers)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 11:10:04 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Emailing directly from the form
Message-ID: <EAF3070ACB1AD81182280002A51EF731192247@s003.wolds.summitmedia.co.uk>

Thanks, Roz. Yes, I have it now. 

Gratefully 
paul 

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All you need, as far as I can see, is the SendObject method. You can pass
form fields as string variables into the header or body of the email.

HTH

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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Sep 23 05:52:53 2004
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 20:52:53 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Overflow
In-Reply-To: <20040923093224.19763.qmail@web20423.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <B0068582447@mail8.nshosts.com>
Message-ID: <415337A5.25841.1AF8491@lexacorp.com.pg>

On 23 Sep 2004 at 2:32, Lonnie Johnson wrote:

> Check to see if there is a field that does some type of mathmatical
> calculation like division and see if there is possible division by zero.
> Access does not like that. 
>

Or,  more likely, a calculation which results in a variable being bigger 
than it's bounds such as an Integer value > 32767 

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From rbgajewski at adelphia.net  Thu Sep 23 06:34:43 2004
From: rbgajewski at adelphia.net (Bob Gajewski)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 07:34:43 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Emailing directly from the form
In-Reply-To: <EAF3070ACB1AD81182280002A51EF731192245@s003.wolds.summitmedia.co.uk>
Message-ID: <LHEEKEKNLFONONKPIOCJKEGJGKAA.rbgajewski@adelphia.net>

Paul

An example (watch wrap) ...

================================================
Private Sub cmdSendMail_AfterClick()
Dim varMailTo As String, varCopyTo As String, varSubject As String, varBody
As String
' Set your values (arbitrary field names, of course)
  varMailTo = txtRecipientEmail
  varCopyTo = txtCCEmail
  varSubject = txtSubject
  varBody = txtBody
  DoCmd.SendObject acSendNoObject, , , varMailTo, varCopyTo, , varSubject,
varBody
End Sub
================================================

Regards,
Bob Gajewski


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Brilliant, Lonnie. I haven't done this before, and expected complications.
Thanks very much. Cheers
paul

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Sent: 23 September 2004 10:36
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Subject: Re: [AccessD] Emailing directly from the form


If you know VBA you can set up a button on your form and in the Click Event
you can use the DoCmd.SendObject command and in the parameters for the
recipient and subject and so on, you can reference a field on your form.

Paul Rodgers <Paul.Rogers at SummitMedia.co.uk> wrote:Is there a simple way to
email from the form, specifying certain fields like
[Name], [Department], [Date] please, Craftsfolk? (I use Outlook and
Access2K)

Cheers
paul

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From CMackin at quiznos.com  Thu Sep 23 08:49:51 2004
From: CMackin at quiznos.com (Mackin, Christopher)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 07:49:51 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] ADPs - accessing SQL Views
Message-ID: <EBEA2FA1665EDA40A600D92C87B9B4CE27EEF4@snowmass.quiznos.net>

I would immediately check the permissions the developer has on that View.

-Chris Mackin


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Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 2:33 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving';
dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] ADPs - accessing SQL Views


Dear all

I have had this problem raised by one of the developers on my team. Can
anyone assist?

"Using ADO objects via OLE DB, I can access data in my SQL Server database
in the form of tables and stored procs with no problem.  When I try and
retrieve records from a SQL Server view, I get an OLE DB error.  I have
tried using all the different ways, command objects, recordsets etc."

TIA

Roz


From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com  Thu Sep 23 09:01:11 2004
From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark S. (Newport News))
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 10:01:11 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] .TIFF Image of Report Pages
Message-ID: <BA209D7D3A20BE499AB726E4ED7A6DA1FCB76E@nprdex02.nns.com>

A follow-up to this came Monday when I put forth a few of these suggestions.
Much to my surprise and chagrin, another representative stated that he
indeed HAD researched most of these automated options, but determined that
the manual way wasn't really eating up all that much time.  He finished his
explanation with the comment that he was awaiting approval to commission a
custom printer driver written specifically for us.

This stance really bothered me.  He is acknowledging a need for an automated
solution, and is willing to spend top dollar just to address a situation
that deep down he believes (in his department at least) is inconsequential.
How warped is that?


Mark



-----Original Message-----
From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net] 
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 10:36 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] .TIFF Image of Report Pages


Mark,
I've seen situations where things were being done in a rather labor
intensive, inefficient manner just as you describe. I've proposed better
solutions and people have initially gotten a bit excited about the idea but
in the end they kept doing it the same way. Sooo. I'd say you're going to
get to labeled as:

1. a genius :-)
2. a lazy tehcno-geek who thinks the computers can do everything but doesn't
realize that not everybody can run the computers as well as you (i.e. the
scanner staff would have to be trained to run the software to do this-it
would be too efficient to just have the engineers do it.) ;-)
3. a trouble maker who is trying to put all those people with jobs in the
scanning section out of work! :-(

John

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S. (Newport News)
Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 6:50 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] .TIFF Image of Report Pages


Many thanks to you all.

After a little research into how other divisions have handled this creation
of .tiff files from AutoCAD .dwg files, I'm a little disappointed.  I mean
that, just on the hint that we might have to take over this responsibility,
it has only taken 12 hours for you kind folks to provide a multitude of
viable options.  What scares me is that some divisions are actually doing
this manually by scanning a hard copy.

So, in comparison, would I be considered lazy or efficient for wanting a
better way?  ;)


Mark


-----Original Message-----
From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk]
Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 11:36 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] .TIFF Image of Report Pages


Hi Mark

The "Print To Picture" printer driver:

  http://progrex.narod.ru/ptp.html

can output to PCX, BMP, or PNG files.
Then you can convert to TIFF.

/gustav


> Does anyone have any brilliant ideas on how I could automatically generate
a
> .tiff image for each page in a report?

> Background: Our company stores issued drawings in .tiff format.  In the
> past, drawings have been scanned in manually in a reproduction department.
> Currently, I issue drawings using Access reports.  It has been suggested
> that the .tiff creation MAY fall to the engineering department.

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From gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Sep 23 08:55:09 2004
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 15:55:09 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] ADPs  in the future
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312A71@infoserver01.infostat.local>
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312A71@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <4724629855.20040923155509@cactus.dk>

Hi all

So now's perhaps the time for alternatives ...

If you need 5 GB of database space running on a Linux engine, watch
this free offer from Sybase:

  http://www.sybase.com/linuxpromo

/gustav


> Access 2003 is designed to work with SQL Server 2000, not the next
> version of SQL Server.



From Patricia.O'Connor at dfa.state.ny.us  Thu Sep 23 09:47:46 2004
From: Patricia.O'Connor at dfa.state.ny.us (O'Connor, Patricia (OTDA))
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 10:47:46 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] ADPs - accessing SQL Views
Message-ID: <B94C79B465542042AB0748EAF37F9AC024A882@EXCNYSM0A1AB.nysemail.nyenet>

Roz, 

What is the error you are getting?

Check the permissions for the TABLES underlying the View as well as the
view.  We ran into something similar because the Code tables that made
up the view did not have the same permissions as the main table.

HTH
Patti

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Roz Clarke
> Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 04:33 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; 
> dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] ADPs - accessing SQL Views
> 
> Dear all
> 
> I have had this problem raised by one of the developers on my 
> team. Can anyone assist?
> 
> "Using ADO objects via OLE DB, I can access data in my SQL 
> Server database in the form of tables and stored procs with 
> no problem.  When I try and retrieve records from a SQL 
> Server view, I get an OLE DB error.  I have tried using all 
> the different ways, command objects, recordsets etc."
> 
> TIA
> 
> Roz
> 
> 
> 


From Developer at UltraDNT.com  Thu Sep 23 09:56:14 2004
From: Developer at UltraDNT.com (Steve Conklin (Developer@UltraDNT))
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 10:56:14 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] ADPs  in the future
In-Reply-To: <4724629855.20040923155509@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <001901c4a17d$795d0620$0200a8c0@COA3>

There are plenty of alternatives, but, even leaving out forms vs.
asp/html/php UI debate, the mgmt tools are always lacking (if they
exist) ,and reporting is damn near impossible.  
Is there anything on any platform that comes close to our favorite
product - in one package?

And even if ADPs won't work, MDBs with ODBC linked tables will work -
and with just about ANYthing else.



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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
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Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 9:55 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] ADPs in the future


Hi all

So now's perhaps the time for alternatives ...

If you need 5 GB of database space running on a Linux engine, watch this
free offer from Sybase:

  http://www.sybase.com/linuxpromo

/gustav


> Access 2003 is designed to work with SQL Server 2000, not the next 
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From roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk  Thu Sep 23 09:57:02 2004
From: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk (Roz Clarke)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 15:57:02 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] ADPs - accessing SQL Views
Message-ID: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C8318805CED4EC@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>

Thanks Patti, and also Chris

Tom (my developer) had got his connection objects mixed up and was getting
the wrong permissions as a result.

Cheers for your help

Roz

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From: O'Connor, Patricia (OTDA) [mailto:Patricia.O'Connor at dfa.state.ny.us] 
Sent: 23 September 2004 15:48
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] ADPs - accessing SQL Views


Roz, 

What is the error you are getting?

Check the permissions for the TABLES underlying the View as well as the
view.  We ran into something similar because the Code tables that made up
the view did not have the same permissions as the main table.

HTH
Patti

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> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Roz Clarke
> Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 04:33 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; 
> dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] ADPs - accessing SQL Views
> 
> Dear all
> 
> I have had this problem raised by one of the developers on my
> team. Can anyone assist?
> 
> "Using ADO objects via OLE DB, I can access data in my SQL
> Server database in the form of tables and stored procs with 
> no problem.  When I try and retrieve records from a SQL 
> Server view, I get an OLE DB error.  I have tried using all 
> the different ways, command objects, recordsets etc."
> 
> TIA
> 
> Roz
> 
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From JColby at dispec.com  Thu Sep 23 11:11:13 2004
From: JColby at dispec.com (Colby, John)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 12:11:13 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Windows XP - Access closes unexpectedly
Message-ID: <05C61C52D7CAD211A7830008C7DF6F1079BDEB@DISABILITYINS01>

Have any of you seen Access close unexpectedly on Windows XP machines?  My
client has a mix of Win98 / Win2K and WinXP machines.  EVERY machine with
WinXP is reporting the app just shutting down, no warning, no nothing.  NONE
of the non-XP machines reports this.

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?kbid=320299

reports this problem, but with an error message.  My client DOES have some
sort of network issues, all the machines (users) have, at one time or
another reported the old "disk or network error" meaning they lost
connection to the server briefly.  In Windows98/2k you just continue on.  It
would seem that in Windows XP the OS itself will terminate Access when this
happens.  A tad RUDE don't you think?

Anyone else seeing this?

John W. Colby
The DIS Database Guy


From bheid at appdevgrp.com  Thu Sep 23 11:58:28 2004
From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 12:58:28 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Windows XP - Access closes unexpectedly
In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA309A6B77@ADGSERVER>
Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA305BB873@ADGSERVER>

Haven't heard of that one.  Is there anything in the event logs?

Bobby

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Subject: [AccessD] Windows XP - Access closes unexpectedly


Have any of you seen Access close unexpectedly on Windows XP machines?  My
client has a mix of Win98 / Win2K and WinXP machines.  EVERY machine with
WinXP is reporting the app just shutting down, no warning, no nothing.  NONE
of the non-XP machines reports this.

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?kbid=320299

reports this problem, but with an error message.  My client DOES have some
sort of network issues, all the machines (users) have, at one time or
another reported the old "disk or network error" meaning they lost
connection to the server briefly.  In Windows98/2k you just continue on.  It
would seem that in Windows XP the OS itself will terminate Access when this
happens.  A tad RUDE don't you think?

Anyone else seeing this?

John W. Colby
The DIS Database Guy
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From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Thu Sep 23 12:05:11 2004
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps - IT Helps)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 19:05:11 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Windows XP - Access closes unexpectedly
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF735E@stekelbes.ithelps.local>


Access 2003 terminates regulary...

And for the rest

Access also terminates with incorrect API calls 
Maybe u use some API call that is not suported by XP

Erwin

-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Namens Bobby Heid
Verzonden: donderdag 23 september 2004 18:58
Aan: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Onderwerp: RE: [AccessD] Windows XP - Access closes unexpectedly

Haven't heard of that one.  Is there anything in the event logs?

Bobby

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Colby, John
Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 12:11 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Windows XP - Access closes unexpectedly


Have any of you seen Access close unexpectedly on Windows XP machines?
My client has a mix of Win98 / Win2K and WinXP machines.  EVERY machine
with WinXP is reporting the app just shutting down, no warning, no
nothing.  NONE of the non-XP machines reports this.

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?kbid=320299

reports this problem, but with an error message.  My client DOES have
some sort of network issues, all the machines (users) have, at one time
or another reported the old "disk or network error" meaning they lost
connection to the server briefly.  In Windows98/2k you just continue on.
It would seem that in Windows XP the OS itself will terminate Access
when this happens.  A tad RUDE don't you think?

Anyone else seeing this?

John W. Colby
The DIS Database Guy
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Sep 23 12:07:23 2004
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 19:07:23 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Connecting to SQL from Access w/a single login?
In-Reply-To: <100F91B31300334B89EC531C9DCB086506595F@tccexch01.tappeconstruction.net>
References: <100F91B31300334B89EC531C9DCB086506595F@tccexch01.tappeconstruction.net>
Message-ID: <8236164341.20040923190723@cactus.dk>

Hi Brett

>>First, I think this is for attached Jet databases only.
> No, I have used this extensively for attaching to our SQL Server 2000
> databases.

It won't hurt, it's just that if I check the attributes of some tables
linked from SQL Server where the password is saved in the connect
string, this attribute is NOT set.

>>Also, this should not be necessary: <snip>
> A couple of points here:
> 1. The TableDef object doesn't have a Refresh method.  Perhaps
> RefreshLink?

Yes.

> 2. If you try this, omit the tdf.SourceTableName = rs!ForeignName line.
> It blows up.

Yes, sorry, it is only for creating a linked tabledef. It makes no
sense for an already linked table.

> 3. I can't remember the exact reason why I dropped and recreated the
> table.  I can recall trying the simple update and RefreshLink but had
> difficulties.  Can't remember much more than that.  Seems to work OK
> now, though.

Well, after 10 years with Access, I've have yet to see this fail. I
believe you safely can use RefreshLink for reattaching a table when
server or file has been moved. It is way faster too.

/gustav


> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
> Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2004 9:56 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Connecting to SQL from Access w/a single login?


> Hi Brett

>> Try setting tdAttach.Attributes = dbAttachSavePWD

> First, I think this is for attached Jet databases only.
> Second, I guess this should be:

>   tdAttach.Attributes = tdAttach.Attributes Or dbAttachSavePWD

> or you would kill any other attribute (or raise an error).

> Also, this should not be necessary:

>>    Do Until rs.EOF
>>        Debug.Print rs!Name
>>        Set tdf = db.CreateTableDef(rs!Name)
>>        
>>        tdf.Connect = "ODBC;" & _
>>            ExtractArg(rs!Connect, "DRIVER") & ";" & _
>>            "SERVER=" & strServer & ";" & _
>>            ExtractArg(rs!Connect, "DATABASE") & ";" & _
>>            "UID=" & strUID & ";" & _
>>            "PWD=" & strPWD
>>            
>>        tdf.Attributes = dbAttachSavePWD
>>        tdf.SourceTableName = rs!ForeignName
>>        db.TableDefs.Delete rs!Name
>>        db.TableDefs.Append tdf
>>        
>>        rs.MoveNext
>>    Loop

> A Refresh is normally fine (and faster):

>        Set tdf = db.TableDefs(rs!Name)
>        tdf.Connect = "ODBC;" & _ ...
>        tdf.Attributes = dbAttachSavePWD
>        tdf.SourceTableName = rs!ForeignName
>        tdf.Refresh

> /gustav


>> I'm using a similar routine currently.  I have a metadata table full 
>> of information about the data tables.  It contains the localname, path

>> and sourceobject name of the table I'm linking to in SQL Server.
>> The actual linking is fine, but as you said remembering the password 
>> is an issue.



From JColby at dispec.com  Thu Sep 23 12:15:41 2004
From: JColby at dispec.com (Colby, John)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 13:15:41 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Windows XP - Access closes unexpectedly
Message-ID: <05C61C52D7CAD211A7830008C7DF6F1079BDEC@DISABILITYINS01>

what event logs?

John W. Colby
The DIS Database Guy


-----Original Message-----
From: Bobby Heid [mailto:bheid at appdevgrp.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 12:58 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Windows XP - Access closes unexpectedly


Haven't heard of that one.  Is there anything in the event logs?

Bobby

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Colby, John
Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 12:11 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Windows XP - Access closes unexpectedly


Have any of you seen Access close unexpectedly on Windows XP machines?  My
client has a mix of Win98 / Win2K and WinXP machines.  EVERY machine with
WinXP is reporting the app just shutting down, no warning, no nothing.  NONE
of the non-XP machines reports this.

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?kbid=320299

reports this problem, but with an error message.  My client DOES have some
sort of network issues, all the machines (users) have, at one time or
another reported the old "disk or network error" meaning they lost
connection to the server briefly.  In Windows98/2k you just continue on.  It
would seem that in Windows XP the OS itself will terminate Access when this
happens.  A tad RUDE don't you think?

Anyone else seeing this?

John W. Colby
The DIS Database Guy
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From bheid at appdevgrp.com  Thu Sep 23 12:48:07 2004
From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 13:48:07 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Windows XP - Access closes unexpectedly
In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA309A6BCB@ADGSERVER>
Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA305BB876@ADGSERVER>

The application, security, and system logs.  They would be somewhere under
administrative tools (or maybe under the Manage Computer add-in).  Under
Win2K, it is under Programs\Administrative Tools\Event Viewer.

I'll look at home to see where it is in XP.

Bobby

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Colby, John
Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 1:16 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Windows XP - Access closes unexpectedly


what event logs?

John W. Colby
The DIS Database Guy


-----Original Message-----
From: Bobby Heid [mailto:bheid at appdevgrp.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 12:58 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Windows XP - Access closes unexpectedly


Haven't heard of that one.  Is there anything in the event logs?

Bobby

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Colby, John
Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 12:11 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Windows XP - Access closes unexpectedly


Have any of you seen Access close unexpectedly on Windows XP machines?  My
client has a mix of Win98 / Win2K and WinXP machines.  EVERY machine with
WinXP is reporting the app just shutting down, no warning, no nothing.  NONE
of the non-XP machines reports this.

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?kbid=320299

reports this problem, but with an error message.  My client DOES have some
sort of network issues, all the machines (users) have, at one time or
another reported the old "disk or network error" meaning they lost
connection to the server briefly.  In Windows98/2k you just continue on.  It
would seem that in Windows XP the OS itself will terminate Access when this
happens.  A tad RUDE don't you think?

Anyone else seeing this?

John W. Colby
The DIS Database Guy
-- 




From davide at dalyn.co.nz  Thu Sep 23 13:36:29 2004
From: davide at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 06:36:29 +1200
Subject: [AccessD] Windows XP - Access closes unexpectedly
In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA305BB876@ADGSERVER>
References: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA309A6BCB@ADGSERVER>
	<916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA305BB876@ADGSERVER>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20040924063106.01a4c870@mail.dalyn.co.nz>

John,

Does it happen during a specific part of the programme?  I had a situation 
where every time I tried to import an excel spreadsheet Access would come 
up with "Unexpected Error", then close down.  Eventually it was tracked 
down to the shortcut being used to open the programme (a virtually 
identical copy of the FE was opening fine.  When we changed its shortcut to 
the problem FE then the problem went away.  When we tried opening the good 
FE with the corrupt shortcut the good FE started crashing.  Our solution 
was to delete the bad shortcut and make a copy of the good shortcut.  Never 
found out why the shortcut should have caused the problem.)

Regards

David Emerson
Dalyn Software Ltd
25 Cunliffe St, Churton Park
Wellington, New Zealand
Ph/Fax (04) 478-7456
Mobile 027-280-9348

At 24/09/2004, you wrote:
>The application, security, and system logs.  They would be somewhere under
>administrative tools (or maybe under the Manage Computer add-in).  Under
>Win2K, it is under Programs\Administrative Tools\Event Viewer.
>
>I'll look at home to see where it is in XP.
>
>Bobby
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Colby, John
>Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 1:16 PM
>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Windows XP - Access closes unexpectedly
>
>
>what event logs?
>
>John W. Colby
>The DIS Database Guy
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Bobby Heid [mailto:bheid at appdevgrp.com]
>Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 12:58 PM
>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Windows XP - Access closes unexpectedly
>
>
>Haven't heard of that one.  Is there anything in the event logs?
>
>Bobby
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Colby, John
>Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 12:11 PM
>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>Subject: [AccessD] Windows XP - Access closes unexpectedly
>
>
>Have any of you seen Access close unexpectedly on Windows XP machines?  My
>client has a mix of Win98 / Win2K and WinXP machines.  EVERY machine with
>WinXP is reporting the app just shutting down, no warning, no nothing.  NONE
>of the non-XP machines reports this.
>
>http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?kbid=320299
>
>reports this problem, but with an error message.  My client DOES have some
>sort of network issues, all the machines (users) have, at one time or
>another reported the old "disk or network error" meaning they lost
>connection to the server briefly.  In Windows98/2k you just continue on.  It
>would seem that in Windows XP the OS itself will terminate Access when this
>happens.  A tad RUDE don't you think?
>
>Anyone else seeing this?
>
>John W. Colby
>The DIS Database Guy



From KIsmert at TexasSystems.com  Thu Sep 23 15:06:59 2004
From: KIsmert at TexasSystems.com (Ken Ismert)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 15:06:59 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] ADPs  in the future
In-Reply-To: <4724629855.20040923155509@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <005c01c4a1a8$e2f91990$2a3ca8c0@TEXASSYSTEMS.COM>


> So now's perhaps the time for alternatives ...
>/gustav

Hear, Hear.

This is yet more evidence that Access is dead. Despite its unique
advantages, Access is increasingly obsolescent in the current Microsoft
vision of .NET, SQL Server, web-centric, and distributed computing.

More evidence of this comes from recent reports of a precipitous drop in
Access consulting rates in our local area. How low? Let's just say you could
earn more if you were a certified welder than if you solely designed Access
databases. Around here, large businesses are simply not doing serious Access
development. There are still small to mid-size businesses that rely on
Access, and they will provide the bulk of Access-related jobs in the coming
years, but even they will dwindle over time as newer tools gain market
saturation.

So, fellow AccessD posters, I would gently suggest that we all take a
serious look now at alternatives that will provide a better source of income
in the future. We must start developing competence in new areas, because
opportunities in Access will likely dry up in the next couple of years.

Its no fun seeing the skill set that you have worked on for so many years be
thrown away so casually, but that is simply a harsh fact of life when you
depend for your livelihood on a company whose market imperitives demand
obsoleting the current code base in order to sell the next.

-Ken

>> There is no service pack or quick fix being planned as far
>> as I know because of the amount of work it would entail.
>> If you stop to think about it, it's pretty hard to see how
>> accomodating new Yukon features like CLR assemblies and
>> complex data types in the ADP designers could be achieved
>> without a complete rewrite.
>> --Mary Chipman




From dwaters at usinternet.com  Thu Sep 23 15:34:45 2004
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 15:34:45 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] ADPs  in the future
In-Reply-To: <28499797.1095971093054.JavaMail.root@sniper9.usinternet.com>
Message-ID: <002201c4a1ac$c41e6670$de1811d8@danwaters>

Ken,

Let's not sink the ship just yet.  A new version of Access (12) will soon
begin to be discussed.  Let's see what it is first.

OTOH, the skills that I know I've developed will let learn whatever I need
to learn to make my future work!

Dan Waters

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Ken Ismert
Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 3:07 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] ADPs in the future


> So now's perhaps the time for alternatives ...
>/gustav

Hear, Hear.

This is yet more evidence that Access is dead. Despite its unique
advantages, Access is increasingly obsolescent in the current Microsoft
vision of .NET, SQL Server, web-centric, and distributed computing.

More evidence of this comes from recent reports of a precipitous drop in
Access consulting rates in our local area. How low? Let's just say you could
earn more if you were a certified welder than if you solely designed Access
databases. Around here, large businesses are simply not doing serious Access
development. There are still small to mid-size businesses that rely on
Access, and they will provide the bulk of Access-related jobs in the coming
years, but even they will dwindle over time as newer tools gain market
saturation.

So, fellow AccessD posters, I would gently suggest that we all take a
serious look now at alternatives that will provide a better source of income
in the future. We must start developing competence in new areas, because
opportunities in Access will likely dry up in the next couple of years.

Its no fun seeing the skill set that you have worked on for so many years be
thrown away so casually, but that is simply a harsh fact of life when you
depend for your livelihood on a company whose market imperitives demand
obsoleting the current code base in order to sell the next.

-Ken

>> There is no service pack or quick fix being planned as far
>> as I know because of the amount of work it would entail.
>> If you stop to think about it, it's pretty hard to see how
>> accomodating new Yukon features like CLR assemblies and
>> complex data types in the ADP designers could be achieved
>> without a complete rewrite.
>> --Mary Chipman


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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Thu Sep 23 16:25:55 2004
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 14:25:55 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] One hardware solution to MS buffer overflow security
	problems
References: <002201c4a1ac$c41e6670$de1811d8@danwaters>
Message-ID: <41533F63.9070204@shaw.ca>

This solution is to use Win XP SP2 and brand new Intel chips with 
Execute Disable bit set
Right now it is only available in Intel Itanium Servers  and AMD Athalon 
64 bit servers.
http://www.intel.com/business/bss/infrastructure/security/xdbit.htm

What it does, is set apart pages of memory to be data only, so code 
cannot be executed from it.

http://www.intel.com/business/bss/infrastructure/security/flash.htm

-- 
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada





From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Sep 23 19:03:21 2004
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 20:03:21 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] One hardware solution to MS buffer overflow
	securityproblems
In-Reply-To: <41533F63.9070204@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <002501c4a1c9$e86ea400$e8dafea9@ColbyM6805>

>and brand new Intel chips with Execute Disable bit set

Uhh... AMD might not like you calling THEIR technology "Intel chips".  AMD
invented the concept (or at least was first to market with it) in the Athlon
64 processor family.  Intel promptly copied it.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 5:26 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] One hardware solution to MS buffer overflow
securityproblems


This solution is to use Win XP SP2 and brand new Intel chips with 
Execute Disable bit set
Right now it is only available in Intel Itanium Servers  and AMD Athalon 
64 bit servers.
http://www.intel.com/business/bss/infrastructure/security/xdbit.htm

What it does, is set apart pages of memory to be data only, so code 
cannot be executed from it.

http://www.intel.com/business/bss/infrastructure/security/flash.htm

-- 
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Victoria, B.C.
Canada



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From listmaster at databaseadvisors.com  Thu Sep 23 20:27:48 2004
From: listmaster at databaseadvisors.com (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 21:27:48 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Administrivia - ADMIN Server Troubles
Message-ID: <41533FD4.8127.698BF2@localhost>

The mail server that is running DBA's mailing lists is in the midst 
of an identity crisis. 

It doesn't want to act like a mial server, which is why some mail is 
taking hours and days to deliver, as some of you have noticed 
recently.

So I will need to take the server off-line this weekend.

The server will be going off-line at around 9pm EDT (UTC +0400).
I can't say for sure when it will be back on-line, but it will be 
before Monday Morning (UTC+0400) (Late morning for those of you in 
Europe and the UK)

Hopefully this will resolve the problems and thanks for your patience 
while we work through this.



From actebs at actebs.com.au  Fri Sep 24 02:13:14 2004
From: actebs at actebs.com.au (ACTEBS)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 17:13:14 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?
Message-ID: <2025BB6F17FCB54791F23CD505583328041BB3@starfleet.unknown.local>

Hi Everyone,
 
Does anyone have any code or such that handles the following elegantly:
 
Dim dbs as DAO.Database
Dim rst as DAO.Recordset
 
Set dbs etc etc
 
Do whatever here
 
dbs.close
dbs = nothing etc etc
 
I am tired of having do the above to open database connections and
recordsets in the above manner in every Sub or Function. Surely there's
a  more elegant method that someone has come up with here you just parse
the SQL Statement through or something...
 
Any suggestions or links will be greatly appreciated...
 
Regards
Vlad
 


From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Fri Sep 24 02:57:25 2004
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps - IT Helps)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 09:57:25 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF0ADC10@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

I never do  dbs as DAO.Database


I always do 
Set rstTemp as currentdb.openrecordset (bla bla)

Dbs can be replaced by currentdb


Erwin


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of ACTEBS
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 9:13 AM
To: access group
Subject: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?

Hi Everyone,
 
Does anyone have any code or such that handles the following elegantly:
 
Dim dbs as DAO.Database
Dim rst as DAO.Recordset
 
Set dbs etc etc
 
Do whatever here
 
dbs.close
dbs = nothing etc etc
 
I am tired of having do the above to open database connections and
recordsets in the above manner in every Sub or Function. Surely there's
a  more elegant method that someone has come up with here you just parse
the SQL Statement through or something...
 
Any suggestions or links will be greatly appreciated...
 
Regards
Vlad
 
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Sep 24 05:14:50 2004
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 12:14:50 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?
In-Reply-To: <2025BB6F17FCB54791F23CD505583328041BB3@starfleet.unknown.local>
References: <2025BB6F17FCB54791F23CD505583328041BB3@starfleet.unknown.local>
Message-ID: <8011754091.20040924121450@cactus.dk>

Hi Vlad

I use copy-and-paste ...

In 2000 I brought up the idea of "terminating" any object before
exiting a function. Shamil suggested this solution:

<quote>

I think you can write the following sub which slightly extends
Gustav's idea: 

Sub TerminateExt(ParamArray aobj() As Variant)
  On Error GoTo TerminateExt_Err
  Dim lngIdx As Long

  If UBound(aobj) > -1 Then
    For lngIdx = 0 To UBound(aobj)
      aobj(lngIdx).Close
      Set aobj(lngIdx) = Nothing
    Next lngIdx
  End If

TerminateExt_Exit:
  Exit Sub

TerminateExt_Err:
  Select Case Err
    Case 91
      ' Object obj doesn't exist.
    Case 438
      ' Object obj doesn't support method close.
    Case 3420
      ' Object obj has already been closed.
    Case Else
      ' Unknown error.
      MsgBox "Error " & Err & ". " & Err.Description, _
        vbExclamation, _
        "Error terminating object (ParamarrayIndex = " & lngIdx & ", "
& _
        "TypeName = " & TypeName(aobj(lngIdx)) & ")"
  End Select
  Resume Next
End Sub

and use it in your case this way:

  TerminateExt MyObject2, MyObject1, rst,db

HTHAWOK,
Shamil

---

But I must admit I've never used it ...

/gustav


> Does anyone have any code or such that handles the following elegantly:
 
> Dim dbs as DAO.Database
> Dim rst as DAO.Recordset
 
> Set dbs etc etc
 
> Do whatever here
 
> dbs.close
> dbs = nothing etc etc
 
> I am tired of having do the above to open database connections and
> recordsets in the above manner in every Sub or Function. Surely there's
> a  more elegant method that someone has come up with here you just parse
> the SQL Statement through or something...
 
> Any suggestions or links will be greatly appreciated...
 
> Regards
> Vlad



From accma at sympatico.ca  Fri Sep 24 06:08:28 2004
From: accma at sympatico.ca (Annie Courchesne, CMA)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 07:08:28 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Delete record via query with another query
Message-ID: <KDEJKGIHACGNMDOBHMICIEFIGBAA.accma@sympatico.ca>

Hi group,

Here my problem.  I want to be able to delete record from a table using the
result of a query.   Is that possible?  I was able to do it running code and
a recordset... but, to increase the speed, I would like to so it with a
query.

Thanks for any info you may have.



Annie Courchesne, CMA




From bheid at appdevgrp.com  Fri Sep 24 06:18:42 2004
From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 07:18:42 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?
In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA309A6D45@ADGSERVER>
Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA305BB87B@ADGSERVER>

I thought using currentdb everywhere used extra resources and was a no-no.

Bobby

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Erwin Craps - IT
Helps
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 3:57 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?


I never do  dbs as DAO.Database


I always do 
Set rstTemp as currentdb.openrecordset (bla bla)

Dbs can be replaced by currentdb


Erwin


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of ACTEBS
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 9:13 AM
To: access group
Subject: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?

Hi Everyone,
 
Does anyone have any code or such that handles the following elegantly:
 
Dim dbs as DAO.Database
Dim rst as DAO.Recordset
 
Set dbs etc etc
 
Do whatever here
 
dbs.close
dbs = nothing etc etc
 
I am tired of having do the above to open database connections and
recordsets in the above manner in every Sub or Function. Surely there's a
more elegant method that someone has come up with here you just parse the
SQL Statement through or something...
 
Any suggestions or links will be greatly appreciated...
 
Regards
Vlad
 
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Sep 24 06:43:44 2004
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 13:43:44 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Delete record via query with another query
In-Reply-To: <KDEJKGIHACGNMDOBHMICIEFIGBAA.accma@sympatico.ca>
References: <KDEJKGIHACGNMDOBHMICIEFIGBAA.accma@sympatico.ca>
Message-ID: <3917081521.20040924134344@cactus.dk>

Hi Annie

Yes, you can do something like

  Delete * From sometable
  Where ID In (Select SomeID From anothertable Where ...)

/gustav


> Here my problem.  I want to be able to delete record from a table using the
> result of a query.   Is that possible?  I was able to do it running code and
> a recordset... but, to increase the speed, I would like to so it with a
> query.



From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Fri Sep 24 07:11:36 2004
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (DWUTKA at marlow.com)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 07:11:36 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?
Message-ID: <123701F54509D9119A4F00D0B747349016CF8E@main2.marlow.com>

Put the code in a module, and send the recordset through as an agrument
ByRef.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: ACTEBS [mailto:actebs at actebs.com.au]
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 2:13 AM
To: access group
Subject: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?


Hi Everyone,
 
Does anyone have any code or such that handles the following elegantly:
 
Dim dbs as DAO.Database
Dim rst as DAO.Recordset
 
Set dbs etc etc
 
Do whatever here
 
dbs.close
dbs = nothing etc etc
 
I am tired of having do the above to open database connections and
recordsets in the above manner in every Sub or Function. Surely there's
a  more elegant method that someone has come up with here you just parse
the SQL Statement through or something...
 
Any suggestions or links will be greatly appreciated...
 
Regards
Vlad
 
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Fri Sep 24 07:13:05 2004
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (DWUTKA at marlow.com)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 07:13:05 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Delete record via query with another query
Message-ID: <123701F54509D9119A4F00D0B747349016CF8F@main2.marlow.com>

what is the query you want to delete from?

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Annie Courchesne, CMA [mailto:accma at sympatico.ca]
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 6:08 AM
To: Accessd
Subject: [AccessD] Delete record via query with another query


Hi group,

Here my problem.  I want to be able to delete record from a table using the
result of a query.   Is that possible?  I was able to do it running code and
a recordset... but, to increase the speed, I would like to so it with a
query.

Thanks for any info you may have.



Annie Courchesne, CMA


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From Developer at UltraDNT.com  Fri Sep 24 07:37:48 2004
From: Developer at UltraDNT.com (Steve Conklin (Developer@UltraDNT))
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 08:37:48 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?
In-Reply-To: <123701F54509D9119A4F00D0B747349016CF8E@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <001701c4a233$4d121900$0200a8c0@COA3>

I *think* he means the opposite ... That is, he needs to set up a
function that takes in the SQL statement and returns an RS.

Steve

Public function ReturnRS (stSQL as string) as DAO.recordset
' not debating these specifics:
' Could use:
' Set ReturnRS= currentdb.openrecordset(stSQL,dbopensnapshot)
End function


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
DWUTKA at marlow.com
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 8:12 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?


Put the code in a module, and send the recordset through as an agrument
ByRef.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: ACTEBS [mailto:actebs at actebs.com.au]
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 2:13 AM
To: access group
Subject: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?


Hi Everyone,
 
Does anyone have any code or such that handles the following elegantly:
 
Dim dbs as DAO.Database
Dim rst as DAO.Recordset
 
Set dbs etc etc
 
Do whatever here
 
dbs.close
dbs = nothing etc etc
 
I am tired of having do the above to open database connections and
recordsets in the above manner in every Sub or Function. Surely there's
a  more elegant method that someone has come up with here you just parse
the SQL Statement through or something...
 
Any suggestions or links will be greatly appreciated...
 
Regards
Vlad
 
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From Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org  Fri Sep 24 07:45:55 2004
From: Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 08:45:55 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Advisor.com
Message-ID: <08F823FD83787D4BA0B99CA580AD3C74089C45@TTNEXCHCL2.hshhp.com>

Is anyone going to the Advisor.com event in Las Vegas next week?

Jim DeMarco
Director Application Development
Hudson Health Plan



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From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Fri Sep 24 08:14:52 2004
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps - IT Helps)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 15:14:52 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF0ADC1E@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

Well

I have no idea. I started using currentdb when there was this issue with
workspace or somthing when they started to use jet as an windows OS
database to. 

I can't recal anything I read that disencourages use of currentdb in a
DAO environment.
Maybe this used to be an issue with an older version of Access...

Erwin


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby Heid
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 1:19 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?

I thought using currentdb everywhere used extra resources and was a
no-no.

Bobby

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Erwin Craps -
IT Helps
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 3:57 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?


I never do  dbs as DAO.Database


I always do
Set rstTemp as currentdb.openrecordset (bla bla)

Dbs can be replaced by currentdb


Erwin


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of ACTEBS
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 9:13 AM
To: access group
Subject: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?

Hi Everyone,
 
Does anyone have any code or such that handles the following elegantly:
 
Dim dbs as DAO.Database
Dim rst as DAO.Recordset
 
Set dbs etc etc
 
Do whatever here
 
dbs.close
dbs = nothing etc etc
 
I am tired of having do the above to open database connections and
recordsets in the above manner in every Sub or Function. Surely there's
a more elegant method that someone has come up with here you just parse
the SQL Statement through or something...
 
Any suggestions or links will be greatly appreciated...
 
Regards
Vlad
 
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Fri Sep 24 08:29:47 2004
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (DWUTKA at marlow.com)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 08:29:47 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?
Message-ID: <123701F54509D9119A4F00D0B747349016CF91@main2.marlow.com>

I was implying the sql statement:

Function OpenRS(ByRef rs AS DAO.Recordset, ByVal strSQL as String)

End Function

Works either way.....

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Conklin (Developer at UltraDNT) [mailto:Developer at ultradnt.com]
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 7:38 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?


I *think* he means the opposite ... That is, he needs to set up a
function that takes in the SQL statement and returns an RS.

Steve

Public function ReturnRS (stSQL as string) as DAO.recordset
' not debating these specifics:
' Could use:
' Set ReturnRS= currentdb.openrecordset(stSQL,dbopensnapshot)
End function


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
DWUTKA at marlow.com
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 8:12 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?


Put the code in a module, and send the recordset through as an agrument
ByRef.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: ACTEBS [mailto:actebs at actebs.com.au]
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 2:13 AM
To: access group
Subject: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?


Hi Everyone,
 
Does anyone have any code or such that handles the following elegantly:
 
Dim dbs as DAO.Database
Dim rst as DAO.Recordset
 
Set dbs etc etc
 
Do whatever here
 
dbs.close
dbs = nothing etc etc
 
I am tired of having do the above to open database connections and
recordsets in the above manner in every Sub or Function. Surely there's
a  more elegant method that someone has come up with here you just parse
the SQL Statement through or something...
 
Any suggestions or links will be greatly appreciated...
 
Regards
Vlad
 
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Sep 24 08:43:21 2004
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 09:43:21 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Windows XP - Access closes unexpectedly
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20040924063106.01a4c870@mail.dalyn.co.nz>
Message-ID: <003301c4a23c$78971040$e8dafea9@ColbyM6805>

Scary stuff eh?  A shortcut causes a program to crash.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David Emerson
Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 2:36 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Windows XP - Access closes unexpectedly


John,

Does it happen during a specific part of the programme?  I had a situation 
where every time I tried to import an excel spreadsheet Access would come 
up with "Unexpected Error", then close down.  Eventually it was tracked 
down to the shortcut being used to open the programme (a virtually 
identical copy of the FE was opening fine.  When we changed its shortcut to 
the problem FE then the problem went away.  When we tried opening the good 
FE with the corrupt shortcut the good FE started crashing.  Our solution 
was to delete the bad shortcut and make a copy of the good shortcut.  Never 
found out why the shortcut should have caused the problem.)

Regards

David Emerson
Dalyn Software Ltd
25 Cunliffe St, Churton Park
Wellington, New Zealand
Ph/Fax (04) 478-7456
Mobile 027-280-9348

At 24/09/2004, you wrote:
>The application, security, and system logs.  They would be somewhere 
>under administrative tools (or maybe under the Manage Computer add-in).  
>Under Win2K, it is under Programs\Administrative Tools\Event Viewer.
>
>I'll look at home to see where it is in XP.
>
>Bobby
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Colby, John
>Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 1:16 PM
>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Windows XP - Access closes unexpectedly
>
>
>what event logs?
>
>John W. Colby
>The DIS Database Guy
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Bobby Heid [mailto:bheid at appdevgrp.com]
>Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 12:58 PM
>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Windows XP - Access closes unexpectedly
>
>
>Haven't heard of that one.  Is there anything in the event logs?
>
>Bobby
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Colby, John
>Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 12:11 PM
>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>Subject: [AccessD] Windows XP - Access closes unexpectedly
>
>
>Have any of you seen Access close unexpectedly on Windows XP machines?  
>My client has a mix of Win98 / Win2K and WinXP machines.  EVERY machine 
>with WinXP is reporting the app just shutting down, no warning, no 
>nothing.  NONE of the non-XP machines reports this.
>
>http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?kbid=320299
>
>reports this problem, but with an error message.  My client DOES have 
>some sort of network issues, all the machines (users) have, at one time 
>or another reported the old "disk or network error" meaning they lost 
>connection to the server briefly.  In Windows98/2k you just continue 
>on.  It would seem that in Windows XP the OS itself will terminate 
>Access when this happens.  A tad RUDE don't you think?
>
>Anyone else seeing this?
>
>John W. Colby
>The DIS Database Guy

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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Fri Sep 24 09:06:06 2004
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 09:06:06 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?
In-Reply-To: <25088583.1096024872899.JavaMail.root@sniper8.usinternet.com>
Message-ID: <000401c4a23f$a2a99a80$de1811d8@danwaters>

Using CurrentDB everywhere is slower.

I use:
Set rst = DBEngine(0)(0).OpenRecordset(stg,db.....)

I did a test once and determined that using the above line is exactly 8
times faster than using:
Set rst = CurrentDB.OpenRecordset(stg,db.....)

However, you must use CurrentDB for some things, like setting the current
database's properties in VBA.

Dan Waters

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby Heid
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 6:19 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?

I thought using currentdb everywhere used extra resources and was a no-no.

Bobby

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Erwin Craps - IT
Helps
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 3:57 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?


I never do  dbs as DAO.Database


I always do 
Set rstTemp as currentdb.openrecordset (bla bla)

Dbs can be replaced by currentdb


Erwin


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of ACTEBS
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 9:13 AM
To: access group
Subject: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?

Hi Everyone,
 
Does anyone have any code or such that handles the following elegantly:
 
Dim dbs as DAO.Database
Dim rst as DAO.Recordset
 
Set dbs etc etc
 
Do whatever here
 
dbs.close
dbs = nothing etc etc
 
I am tired of having do the above to open database connections and
recordsets in the above manner in every Sub or Function. Surely there's a
more elegant method that someone has come up with here you just parse the
SQL Statement through or something...
 
Any suggestions or links will be greatly appreciated...
 
Regards
Vlad
 
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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Fri Sep 24 09:09:20 2004
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 09:09:20 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Windows XP - Access closes unexpectedly
In-Reply-To: <17711956.1096033933928.JavaMail.root@sniper6.usinternet.com>
Message-ID: <000501c4a240$1691b130$de1811d8@danwaters>

I've also seen, only once, a shortcut that was apparently corrupt.  Deleting
it and replacing it with a new one solved the problem.

Dan Waters

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 8:43 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Windows XP - Access closes unexpectedly

Scary stuff eh?  A shortcut causes a program to crash.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David Emerson
Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 2:36 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Windows XP - Access closes unexpectedly


John,

Does it happen during a specific part of the programme?  I had a situation 
where every time I tried to import an excel spreadsheet Access would come 
up with "Unexpected Error", then close down.  Eventually it was tracked 
down to the shortcut being used to open the programme (a virtually 
identical copy of the FE was opening fine.  When we changed its shortcut to 
the problem FE then the problem went away.  When we tried opening the good 
FE with the corrupt shortcut the good FE started crashing.  Our solution 
was to delete the bad shortcut and make a copy of the good shortcut.  Never 
found out why the shortcut should have caused the problem.)

Regards

David Emerson
Dalyn Software Ltd
25 Cunliffe St, Churton Park
Wellington, New Zealand
Ph/Fax (04) 478-7456
Mobile 027-280-9348

At 24/09/2004, you wrote:
>The application, security, and system logs.  They would be somewhere 
>under administrative tools (or maybe under the Manage Computer add-in).  
>Under Win2K, it is under Programs\Administrative Tools\Event Viewer.
>
>I'll look at home to see where it is in XP.
>
>Bobby
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Colby, John
>Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 1:16 PM
>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Windows XP - Access closes unexpectedly
>
>
>what event logs?
>
>John W. Colby
>The DIS Database Guy
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Bobby Heid [mailto:bheid at appdevgrp.com]
>Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 12:58 PM
>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Windows XP - Access closes unexpectedly
>
>
>Haven't heard of that one.  Is there anything in the event logs?
>
>Bobby
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Colby, John
>Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 12:11 PM
>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>Subject: [AccessD] Windows XP - Access closes unexpectedly
>
>
>Have any of you seen Access close unexpectedly on Windows XP machines?  
>My client has a mix of Win98 / Win2K and WinXP machines.  EVERY machine 
>with WinXP is reporting the app just shutting down, no warning, no 
>nothing.  NONE of the non-XP machines reports this.
>
>http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?kbid=320299
>
>reports this problem, but with an error message.  My client DOES have 
>some sort of network issues, all the machines (users) have, at one time 
>or another reported the old "disk or network error" meaning they lost 
>connection to the server briefly.  In Windows98/2k you just continue 
>on.  It would seem that in Windows XP the OS itself will terminate 
>Access when this happens.  A tad RUDE don't you think?
>
>Anyone else seeing this?
>
>John W. Colby
>The DIS Database Guy

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From gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Sep 24 09:44:52 2004
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 16:44:52 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?
In-Reply-To: <000401c4a23f$a2a99a80$de1811d8@danwaters>
References: <000401c4a23f$a2a99a80$de1811d8@danwaters>
Message-ID: <6127950330.20040924164452@cactus.dk>

Hi Dan

> However, you must use CurrentDB for some things, like setting the current
> database's properties in VBA.

Njah, you just need to do a

  DBEngine(0).Properties.Refresh

Same thing for other collections if you manipulate these.

/gustav



From bchacc at san.rr.com  Fri Sep 24 11:13:46 2004
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 09:13:46 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Very Strange Problem with Access
Message-ID: <00ee01c4a251$784958e0$6601a8c0@HAL9002>

Dear List:

Sorry for the undescriptive subject but I don't know how else to say it.

Client is at a remote site running an app I created for them.  App is created in Access 2000.  It's running on Access 2002.  

In this app, which tracks assets, the hierarchy is Cluster,  Buildings within Cluster, Rooms within Buildings.

There is a query qryBuildingByCluster that is the row source of a combo box on frmRoom.

The uses Forms!frmRoom!txtClusterID as a parameter and the combo box is requeried every time a room record is displayed so that the combo box will display only buildings in the selected cluster.  All's well and good.

It runs fine on every box its ever been on.  But on this one box, when the user exits from frmRoom and the Main Menu is displayed, they get an "Enter Parameter" box prompting for Forms!frmRoom!txtClusterID as if the combo box is being requeried.  But at this point the form frmRoom is closed. I've stepped through the code and the parameter prompt appears AFTER the .Close.

qryBuildingByCluster is only used in one place in the system - as the row source of the Building combo box in frmRoom.  We checked references and they're identical to the client's laptop on which the program runs fine - can't duplicate the error.

Has anyone ever seen this behavior before?

MTIA

Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
http://www.e-z-mrp.com



From kaupca at chevrontexaco.com  Fri Sep 24 11:16:39 2004
From: kaupca at chevrontexaco.com (Kaup, Chester A)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 11:16:39 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Query gives invalid operation error
Message-ID: <1375769556091B4DAABC159F944CA1BB07A1EC@bocnte2k4.boc.chevrontexaco.net>

The following query gives an invalid operation error. Each of the
queries it is based on runs fine. Any ideas?

SELECT [qry Ft Stockton Other Fields Gas].ACTVDATE, [qry Ft Stockton
Other Fields Gas]![SumOfVOLUME_SS]+[qry Gomez Field
Gas]![SumOfVOLUME_SS]+[qry Halley Field Gas]![SumOfVOLUME_SS]+[qry Waha
Field Gas]![SumOfVOLUME_SS]+[qry Warwink Field
Gas]![SumOfVOLUME_SS]+[qry Sandhills Gas]![SumOfVOLUME_SS] AS MCFPD,
[qry Ft Stockton Other Fields Gas]![NWI Gas]+[qry Gomez Field
Gas]![SumOfVOLUME_SS]+[qry Halley Field Gas]![SumOfVOLUME_SS]+[qry Waha
Field Gas]![SumOfVOLUME_SS]+[qry Warwink Field
Gas]![SumOfVOLUME_SS]+[qry Sandhills Gas]![NWI Gas] AS [NWI MCFPD]
FROM [qry Sandhills Gas] INNER JOIN ([qry Gomez Field Gas] INNER JOIN
((([qry Ft Stockton Other Fields Gas] INNER JOIN [qry Halley Field Gas]
ON [qry Ft Stockton Other Fields Gas].ACTVDATE = [qry Halley Field
Gas].ACTVDATE) INNER JOIN [qry Waha Field Gas] ON [qry Ft Stockton Other
Fields Gas].ACTVDATE = [qry Waha Field Gas].ACTVDATE) INNER JOIN [qry
Warwink Field Gas] ON [qry Ft Stockton Other Fields Gas].ACTVDATE = [qry
Warwink Field Gas].ACTVDATE) ON [qry Gomez Field Gas].ACTVDATE = [qry Ft
Stockton Other Fields Gas].ACTVDATE) ON [qry Sandhills Gas].ACTVDATE =
[qry Ft Stockton Other Fields Gas].ACTVDATE;

Chester Kaup
Information Management Technician
IT-MidContinent/MidContinent Business Unit
CTN 8-687-7415  
Outside 432-687-7414

No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However a large
number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. 





From gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Sep 24 11:28:46 2004
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 18:28:46 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Very Strange Problem with Access
In-Reply-To: <00ee01c4a251$784958e0$6601a8c0@HAL9002>
References: <00ee01c4a251$784958e0$6601a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <1972507185.20040924182846@cactus.dk>

Hi Rocky

Check - or just go ahead and update/reinstall - the MDAC.

/gustav


> It runs fine on every box its ever been on.  But on this one box, when the user exits from frmRoom and the Main Menu is displayed, they get an "Enter Parameter" box prompting for
> Forms!frmRoom!txtClusterID as if the combo box is being requeried.  But at this point the form frmRoom is closed. I've stepped through the code and the parameter prompt appears AFTER the .Close.

> qryBuildingByCluster is only used in one place in the system - as the row source of the Building combo box in frmRoom.  We checked references and they're identical to the client's laptop on which
> the program runs fine - can't duplicate the error.



From gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Sep 24 11:37:56 2004
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 18:37:56 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Query gives invalid operation error
In-Reply-To: <1375769556091B4DAABC159F944CA1BB07A1EC@bocnte2k4.boc.chevrontexaco.net>
References: <1375769556091B4DAABC159F944CA1BB07A1EC@bocnte2k4.boc.chevrontexaco.net>
Message-ID: <293057907.20040924183756@cactus.dk>

Hi Chester

Could it be these fields: [NWI Gas]
All other you add seem to be Sums.

Try wrapping it in Nz():

  + Nz([NWI Gas], 0)

/gustav


> The following query gives an invalid operation error. Each of the
> queries it is based on runs fine. Any ideas?

> SELECT [qry Ft Stockton Other Fields Gas].ACTVDATE, [qry Ft Stockton
> Other Fields Gas]![SumOfVOLUME_SS]+[qry Gomez Field
> Gas]![SumOfVOLUME_SS]+[qry Halley Field Gas]![SumOfVOLUME_SS]+[qry Waha
> Field Gas]![SumOfVOLUME_SS]+[qry Warwink Field
> Gas]![SumOfVOLUME_SS]+[qry Sandhills Gas]![SumOfVOLUME_SS] AS MCFPD,
> [qry Ft Stockton Other Fields Gas]![NWI Gas]+[qry Gomez Field
> Gas]![SumOfVOLUME_SS]+[qry Halley Field Gas]![SumOfVOLUME_SS]+[qry Waha
> Field Gas]![SumOfVOLUME_SS]+[qry Warwink Field
> Gas]![SumOfVOLUME_SS]+[qry Sandhills Gas]![NWI Gas] AS [NWI MCFPD]
> FROM [qry Sandhills Gas] INNER JOIN ([qry Gomez Field Gas] INNER JOIN
> ((([qry Ft Stockton Other Fields Gas] INNER JOIN [qry Halley Field Gas]
> ON [qry Ft Stockton Other Fields Gas].ACTVDATE = [qry Halley Field
> Gas].ACTVDATE) INNER JOIN [qry Waha Field Gas] ON [qry Ft Stockton Other
> Fields Gas].ACTVDATE = [qry Waha Field Gas].ACTVDATE) INNER JOIN [qry
> Warwink Field Gas] ON [qry Ft Stockton Other Fields Gas].ACTVDATE = [qry
> Warwink Field Gas].ACTVDATE) ON [qry Gomez Field Gas].ACTVDATE = [qry Ft
> Stockton Other Fields Gas].ACTVDATE) ON [qry Sandhills Gas].ACTVDATE =
> [qry Ft Stockton Other Fields Gas].ACTVDATE;



From KIsmert at TexasSystems.com  Fri Sep 24 12:02:02 2004
From: KIsmert at TexasSystems.com (Ken Ismert)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 12:02:02 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] ADPs  in the future
In-Reply-To: <002201c4a1ac$c41e6670$de1811d8@danwaters>
Message-ID: <002701c4a258$372bdde0$2a3ca8c0@TEXASSYSTEMS.COM>


Dan,

Unless the next version of Access is a completely .NET centric product,
Windows forms on top, VB.NET or C# underneath, and is fully web enabled (in
other words the complete rewrite Mary Chipman said they weren't going to
do), it will have nothing of interest in it for me.

A simple test: if the next version of Access doesn't natively support
Microsoft's flagship database, SQL Server 2005, it has been abandoned.

I would like to hear more responses regarding the current prospects of
Access consulting. Nearly everyone I know locally is either having a tough
time getting Access work, or is moving away from Access towards more
profitable work. A consensus from this group that there is a burgeoning
Access job market in the near future would do more than anything else to
dispel my pessimism.

And yes, the bright side of the story is that the fundamentals we learn here
are applicable to any new data environment we may encounter.

-Ken

-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Waters [mailto:dwaters at usinternet.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 3:35 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] ADPs in the future


Ken,

Let's not sink the ship just yet.  A new version of Access (12) will soon
begin to be discussed.  Let's see what it is first.

OTOH, the skills that I know I've developed will let learn whatever I need
to learn to make my future work!

Dan Waters



From cyx5 at cdc.gov  Fri Sep 24 12:07:54 2004
From: cyx5 at cdc.gov (Nicholson, Karen)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 13:07:54 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Limiting User Navigation to Forms
Message-ID: <A5B5AA20555F594BA7B6BD2048E49E4384B41D@m-niosh-5.niosh.cdc.gov>

I have about 50 users in 10 different departments.  Based on the user
network login id, I want to limit the users ability to open up various
forms - for instance, someone in the QA department would receive a "you
are not authorized to open this form" message box  when they try to open
up the AS departments data entry forms.  I don't want to have to code in
each form that needs limitations an on open event to evaluate the id's
and let those authorized through.  Has anyone built a table to hold
network logins with passwords that are evaluated on form openings?  



Karen Nicholson
National Laboratory
Xerox Global Services




From bchacc at san.rr.com  Fri Sep 24 12:21:03 2004
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 10:21:03 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Very Strange Problem with Access
References: <00ee01c4a251$784958e0$6601a8c0@HAL9002>
	<1972507185.20040924182846@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <012d01c4a25a$deaf4000$6601a8c0@HAL9002>

You know Gustav, that might be the problem.  The user was talking about MDAC
versions but I don't think that they can modify the user's machine in any
event.  It's a military installation.

But I disabled the problem.  I tracked it down to any use of that combo box.
If the combo box wasn't accessed while the form was open, the form closed
correctly.  So right before the DoCmd.Close I had the user insert
cboBuilding.RowSource = "" and the problem went away.

I'll forward your idea to the user, though.

Thanks again.

Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
http://www.e-z-mrp.com


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 9:28 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Very Strange Problem with Access


> Hi Rocky
>
> Check - or just go ahead and update/reinstall - the MDAC.
>
> /gustav
>
>
> > It runs fine on every box its ever been on.  But on this one box, when
the user exits from frmRoom and the Main Menu is displayed, they get an
"Enter Parameter" box prompting for
> > Forms!frmRoom!txtClusterID as if the combo box is being requeried.  But
at this point the form frmRoom is closed. I've stepped through the code and
the parameter prompt appears AFTER the .Close.
>
> > qryBuildingByCluster is only used in one place in the system - as the
row source of the Building combo box in frmRoom.  We checked references and
they're identical to the client's laptop on which
> > the program runs fine - can't duplicate the error.
>
> -- 
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Sep 24 12:34:41 2004
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 19:34:41 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Very Strange Problem with Access
In-Reply-To: <012d01c4a25a$deaf4000$6601a8c0@HAL9002>
References: <00ee01c4a251$784958e0$6601a8c0@HAL9002>
	<1972507185.20040924182846@cactus.dk>
	<012d01c4a25a$deaf4000$6601a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <336462412.20040924193441@cactus.dk>

Hi Rocky

Very clever!

If you can't move the mountain, go to the mountain.
Or here:
If you can't move the mountain away, leave the mountain.

/gustav


> You know Gustav, that might be the problem.  The user was talking about MDAC
> versions but I don't think that they can modify the user's machine in any
> event.  It's a military installation.

> But I disabled the problem.  I tracked it down to any use of that combo box.
> If the combo box wasn't accessed while the form was open, the form closed
> correctly.  So right before the DoCmd.Close I had the user insert
> cboBuilding.RowSource = "" and the problem went away.

> I'll forward your idea to the user, though.

> Thanks again.

> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
> http://www.e-z-mrp.com


> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 9:28 AM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Very Strange Problem with Access


>> Hi Rocky
>>
>> Check - or just go ahead and update/reinstall - the MDAC.
>>
>> /gustav
>>
>>
>> > It runs fine on every box its ever been on.  But on this one box, when
>> > the user exits from frmRoom and the Main Menu is displayed, they get an
>> > "Enter Parameter" box prompting for
>> > Forms!frmRoom!txtClusterID as if the combo box is being requeried.  But
>> > at this point the form frmRoom is closed. I've stepped through the code and
>> > the parameter prompt appears AFTER the .Close.
>>
>> > qryBuildingByCluster is only used in one place in the system - as the
>> > row source of the Building combo box in frmRoom.  We checked references and
>> > they're identical to the client's laptop on which
>> > the program runs fine - can't duplicate the error.



From gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Sep 24 12:55:34 2004
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 19:55:34 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Limiting User Navigation to Forms
In-Reply-To: <A5B5AA20555F594BA7B6BD2048E49E4384B41D@m-niosh-5.niosh.cdc.gov>
References: <A5B5AA20555F594BA7B6BD2048E49E4384B41D@m-niosh-5.niosh.cdc.gov>
Message-ID: <717715894.20040924195534@cactus.dk>

Hi Karen

Yes, sort of.

In the OnOpen event of the form put:

  Cancel = IsUserAuthorized(Me.Name)

Then create a function:

  Public Function IsUserAuthorized( _
    ByVal strForm As String) As Boolean

    Const cstrMessage As String = _
      "You are not authorized to open this form."
    Const cstrTitle As String = _
      "Restricted Form"
      
    Dim lngAccessLevel As Long
    Dim booAccess As Boolean
    
    Select Case strForm
      Case "frmSome", "frmAnother"
        lngAccessLevel = 3
      Case "frmThird"
        lngAccessLevel = 4
      ' etc. ...
    End Select
    If GetUserAccessLevel() >= lngAccessLevel Then
      booAccess = True
    Else
      DoCmd.Beep
      MsgBox cstrMessage, vbInformation, cstrTitle
    End If

    IsUserAuthorized = booAccess
    
  End Function

The function GetUserAccessLevel() retrieves the access level of the
current user which you will have to define somewhere else.
  
/gustav


> I have about 50 users in 10 different departments.  Based on the user
> network login id, I want to limit the users ability to open up various
> forms - for instance, someone in the QA department would receive a "you
> are not authorized to open this form" message box  when they try to open
> up the AS departments data entry forms.  I don't want to have to code in
> each form that needs limitations an on open event to evaluate the id's
> and let those authorized through.  Has anyone built a table to hold
> network logins with passwords that are evaluated on form openings?  



> Karen Nicholson
> National Laboratory
> Xerox Global Services



From pedro at plex.nl  Fri Sep 24 16:29:40 2004
From: pedro at plex.nl (Pedro Janssen)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 23:29:40 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] date query
Message-ID: <000c01c4a27d$9b424600$f9c581d5@pedro>

Hello Group,

i have a table [tblmeasure1] and important for the query are two fields:  Date and Temperature.

I am trying to get avg, min etc. etc from Temperature in certain date periods (Between #...# and #....#. But i keep running into errors. What is the right way to do this?

Thanks 

Pedro Janssen
Cytologist


From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Fri Sep 24 17:03:40 2004
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 15:03:40 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Limiting User Navigation to Forms
References: <A5B5AA20555F594BA7B6BD2048E49E4384B41D@m-niosh-5.niosh.cdc.gov>
Message-ID: <415499BC.9060809@shaw.ca>

If you want to limit opening forms by department, I would have a backend 
table with userid and department
Then before opening the form I would check the userid in the table 
against something like this code to verify against the machines network 
logon id
If you could obtain the network logon password, you would break network 
security.
Depending on the way your network security is setup you might be able to 
get the network id's group name.
This code is a little longer that most posted on the net to obtain the 
network login id and is more robust.

http://vbnet.mvps.org/index.html?code/network/netusergetinfo.htm
http://vbnet.mvps.org/code/network/lookupaccountname.htm
http://vbnet.mvps.org/index.html?code/network/netwkstagetinfousername.htm

Nicholson, Karen wrote:

>I have about 50 users in 10 different departments.  Based on the user
>network login id, I want to limit the users ability to open up various
>forms - for instance, someone in the QA department would receive a "you
>are not authorized to open this form" message box  when they try to open
>up the AS departments data entry forms.  I don't want to have to code in
>each form that needs limitations an on open event to evaluate the id's
>and let those authorized through.  Has anyone built a table to hold
>network logins with passwords that are evaluated on form openings?  
>
>
>
>Karen Nicholson
>National Laboratory
>Xerox Global Services
>
>
>  
>

-- 
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada





From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Fri Sep 24 17:51:55 2004
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 08:51:55 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Query gives invalid operation error
In-Reply-To: <1375769556091B4DAABC159F944CA1BB07A1EC@bocnte2k4.boc.chevrontexaco.net>
Message-ID: <415531AB.18385.9682C6E@lexacorp.com.pg>

On 24 Sep 2004 at 11:16, Kaup, Chester A wrote:

> FROM [qry Sandhills Gas] INNER JOIN ([qry Gomez Field Gas] INNER JOIN
> ((([qry Ft Stockton Other Fields Gas] INNER JOIN

What are these  INNER JOINs on? You haven't specified.

-- 
Stuart




From KIsmert at TexasSystems.com  Fri Sep 24 18:41:02 2004
From: KIsmert at TexasSystems.com (Ken Ismert)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 18:41:02 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?
In-Reply-To: <2025BB6F17FCB54791F23CD505583328041BB3@starfleet.unknown.local>
Message-ID: <002f01c4a28f$f45e4ba0$2a3ca8c0@TEXASSYSTEMS.COM>


Vlad,

If you're interested, I have developed a class called clsDAOLib that wraps
the most common DAO functions.

It handles setting up and shutting down the workspace and database
automatically for you. It handles parameter queries, and running groups of
queries in a transaction. It has full error handling. You can use it as a
standalone global object, or locally within another class or subroutine.

It isn't fancy, but it is mature, well-tested code that I have had around
for years, and have used in Access 2000, Excel and Project.

Code samples:

* Open a recordset from a query:
    Set rsTree = gDAO.OpenQueryDef("qryFrmProjBOMTree")

* Open a recordset from a parameter query:
    gDAO.AddQryParm "PMStatusID", lPMStatusID
    gDAO.AddQryParm "BOMID", lBOMID
    Set rRs = gDAO.OpenQueryDef("qryBOMPMStatus", dbOpenForwardOnly)

* Execute a parameter query and return the records affected:
    gDAO.AddQryParm "PMReleaseDate", dtPMReleaseDate
    lCt = gDAO.ExecuteQueryDef("qryBOMPMRelease", dbFailOnError +
dbSeeChanges)

* Open a recordset from a SQL string:
    Set rRs = gDAO.OpenSQL(sSQL, dbOpenForwardOnly)

* Execute a SQL string:
    gDAO.ExecuteSQL sSQL, dbFailOnError + dbSeeChanges

* Execute a batch of SQL statements within a transaction:
    With gDAO
        .AddSQL sSQLCommoditySaveDeletedPart
        .AddSQL sSQLCommodityPartDelete
        .AddSQL sSQLRuntimeSaveDeleted
        .AddSQL sSQLRuntimeDelete
        .ExecuteSQLBatch Options:=dbFailOnError + dbSeeChanges
    End With

If anyone is interested, please email me offline for the code, and short
instructions on use.

-Ken


-----Original Message-----
From: ACTEBS [mailto:actebs at actebs.com.au]
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 2:13 AM
To: access group
Subject: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?


Hi Everyone,

Does anyone have any code or such that handles the following elegantly:

Dim dbs as DAO.Database
Dim rst as DAO.Recordset

Set dbs etc etc

Do whatever here

dbs.close
dbs = nothing etc etc

I am tired of having do the above to open database connections and
recordsets in the above manner in every Sub or Function. Surely there's
a  more elegant method that someone has come up with here you just parse
the SQL Statement through or something...

Any suggestions or links will be greatly appreciated...

Regards
Vlad





From mikedorism at adelphia.net  Fri Sep 24 21:34:00 2004
From: mikedorism at adelphia.net (Mike & Doris Manning)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 22:34:00 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] date query
In-Reply-To: <000c01c4a27d$9b424600$f9c581d5@pedro>
Message-ID: <000001c4a2a8$1d8f1be0$060aa845@hargrove.internal>

Your first problem is probably the use of "Date" as a variable when it is a
Reserved word.  The syntax you are looking for is something like this...

SELECT Avg(Temperature) AS AvgTemp FROM tblMeasure1 WHERE [Date] BETWEEN
#...# AND #...#

Doris Manning
Database Administrator
Hargrove Inc.
www.hargroveinc.com


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Pedro Janssen
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 5:30 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] date query


Hello Group,

i have a table [tblmeasure1] and important for the query are two fields:
Date and Temperature.

I am trying to get avg, min etc. etc from Temperature in certain date
periods (Between #...# and #....#. But i keep running into errors. What is
the right way to do this?

Thanks 

Pedro Janssen
Cytologist
-- 
_______________________________________________
AccessD mailing list
AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com



From gustav at cactus.dk  Sat Sep 25 02:15:22 2004
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 09:15:22 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] date query
In-Reply-To: <000c01c4a27d$9b424600$f9c581d5@pedro>
References: <000c01c4a27d$9b424600$f9c581d5@pedro>
Message-ID: <691989590.20040925091522@cactus.dk>

Hi Pedro

> i have a table [tblmeasure1] and important for the query are two
> fields:  Date and Temperature. 

> I am trying to get avg, min etc. etc from Temperature in certain
> date periods (Between #...# and #....#. But i keep running into
> errors. What is the right way to do this?  

This is the way. So why not show us your query?

/gustav



From listmaster at databaseadvisors.com  Sat Sep 25 07:02:26 2004
From: listmaster at databaseadvisors.com (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 08:02:26 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Testing
Message-ID: <41552612.31413.1510D5@localhost>

Testing 1, 2, 3
-- 
Bryan Carbonnell - listmaster at databaseadvisors.com
Nobody can make you feel inferior without your permission.




From listmaster at databaseadvisors.com  Sat Sep 25 07:11:41 2004
From: listmaster at databaseadvisors.com (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 08:11:41 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Administrivia - Server Back Up
Message-ID: <4155283D.12253.1D8604@localhost>

Well, the mailserver and list software is back up and running.

Hopefully our problems are all cleared up now. If not, please let me 
know at either listmaster at databaseadvisors.com AND 
carbonnb at sympatico.ca

That way if dba's server is not working, then I will still be able to 
look at it.

Thanks for your understanding and patience.

-- 
Bryan Carbonnell - listmaster at databaseadvisors.com
There's a fine line between genius and insanity. I have erased this 
line. 




From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Sat Sep 25 08:44:34 2004
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 14:44:34 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Administrivia - Server Back Up
In-Reply-To: <4155283D.12253.1D8604@localhost>
Message-ID: <000701c4a305$caa288f0$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25>

A vote of thanks for Bryan's efforts.

-- Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Bryan Carbonnell
> Sent: 25 September 2004 13:12
> To: administrivia at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Administrivia - Server Back Up
> 
> 
> Well, the mailserver and list software is back up and running.
> 
> Hopefully our problems are all cleared up now. If not, please let me 
> know at either listmaster at databaseadvisors.com AND 
> carbonnb at sympatico.ca
> 
> That way if dba's server is not working, then I will still be able to 
> look at it.
> 
> Thanks for your understanding and patience.
> 
> -- 
> Bryan Carbonnell - listmaster at databaseadvisors.com
> There's a fine line between genius and insanity. I have erased this 
> line. 
> 
> 
> -- 
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 
> 



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Sep 25 08:55:46 2004
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 09:55:46 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Administrivia - Server Back Up
In-Reply-To: <000701c4a305$caa288f0$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25>
Message-ID: <006d01c4a307$5e6f0850$e8dafea9@ColbyM6805>

Hear Hear!

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2004 9:45 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Administrivia - Server Back Up


A vote of thanks for Bryan's efforts.

-- Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Bryan Carbonnell
> Sent: 25 September 2004 13:12
> To: administrivia at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Administrivia - Server Back Up
> 
> 
> Well, the mailserver and list software is back up and running.
> 
> Hopefully our problems are all cleared up now. If not, please let me
> know at either listmaster at databaseadvisors.com AND 
> carbonnb at sympatico.ca
> 
> That way if dba's server is not working, then I will still be able to
> look at it.
> 
> Thanks for your understanding and patience.
> 
> --
> Bryan Carbonnell - listmaster at databaseadvisors.com
> There's a fine line between genius and insanity. I have erased this 
> line. 
> 
> 
> --
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 
> 

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From john at winhaven.net  Sat Sep 25 09:12:56 2004
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 09:12:56 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Administrivia - Server Back Up
In-Reply-To: <4155283D.12253.1D8604@localhost>
Message-ID: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJMEEJHOAA.john@winhaven.net>

Three cheers and a HUGE pat on the back for Bryan!

He did this maintenance work in his personal free time!

John Bartow, President
Database Advisors, Inc.
Email: mailto:president at databaseadvisors.com
Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Bryan
Carbonnell
Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2004 7:12 AM
To: administrivia at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Administrivia - Server Back Up


Well, the mailserver and list software is back up and running.

Hopefully our problems are all cleared up now. If not, please let me 
know at either listmaster at databaseadvisors.com AND 
carbonnb at sympatico.ca

That way if dba's server is not working, then I will still be able to 
look at it.

Thanks for your understanding and patience.

-- 
Bryan Carbonnell - listmaster at databaseadvisors.com
There's a fine line between genius and insanity. I have erased this 
line. 


-- 
_______________________________________________
AccessD mailing list
AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com





From Paul at PStrauss.net  Sat Sep 25 22:05:47 2004
From: Paul at PStrauss.net (Paul Strauss)
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 23:05:47 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?
In-Reply-To: <002f01c4a28f$f45e4ba0$2a3ca8c0@TEXASSYSTEMS.COM>
References: <2025BB6F17FCB54791F23CD505583328041BB3@starfleet.unknown.local>
	<002f01c4a28f$f45e4ba0$2a3ca8c0@TEXASSYSTEMS.COM>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20040925225505.021f3ab0@mail.pstrauss.net>

At 9/24/2004 07:41 PM, you wrote:

>Vlad,
>
>If you're interested, I have developed a class called clsDAOLib that wraps
>the most common DAO functions.
>
>...snip...
>If anyone is interested, please email me offline for the code, and short
>instructions on use.

Looks very interesting, very cool. I'd like to take a look.

I also have a few goodies that I'll share with you if you want. I have one 
class that edits names and addresses to fix the proper capitalization and 
to change addresses into what the USPS likes to see, e.g. Avenue -> Ave. 
I've got a great function, that I didn't actually write that properly 
quotes string for use in SQL strings, e.g. it properly quotes 5'4". One I 
did write is a function to properly quote dates and times. These all have 
been testing and working for years. I've got a bunch of other random stuff 
that I use all the time. I've been doing Access for about 10 years now and 
one tends to accumulate these things. I'm also working on a class to do an 
audit trail of any changes to a row. This one may still have some bugs as 
I've just finished it and it still needs some testing, but it seems to be 
mostly working.

If you want any of this stuff, I'll be glad to send them my "return mail". 
One thing I'd ask, if you could, but certainly not as a condition: I almost 
never have the opportunity for anyone to review and comment on my code, so 
I really don't know what is good, bad, or ugly. If you could comment on it, 
I love to hear your comments.


Regards,
Paul Strauss


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From Paul at PStrauss.net  Sat Sep 25 22:17:29 2004
From: Paul at PStrauss.net (Paul Strauss)
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 23:17:29 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Limiting User Navigation to Forms
In-Reply-To: <A5B5AA20555F594BA7B6BD2048E49E4384B41D@m-niosh-5.niosh.cdc .gov>
References: <A5B5AA20555F594BA7B6BD2048E49E4384B41D@m-niosh-5.niosh.cdc.gov>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20040925231036.021daa00@mail.pstrauss.net>


>I have about 50 users in 10 different departments.  Based on the user
>network login id, I want to limit the users ability to open up various
>forms - for instance, someone in the QA department would receive a "you
>are not authorized to open this form" message box  when they try to open
>up the AS departments data entry forms.  I don't want to have to code in
>each form that needs limitations an on open event to evaluate the id's
>and let those authorized through.  Has anyone built a table to hold
>network logins with passwords that are evaluated on form openings?

What I do in this situation is to not even show them the button to open the 
form. Why let them try to open the form, just to get a nany-nany-b00-boo 
message? Seriously, if you are trying to keep their mits off a form, the 
first line of defense is to not even let them know that there is something 
that they can't do. Showing them that there is something to do, but then 
blocking them, is bound to look like a challenge to some people. Even if 
they don't have anything sinister in mind, you still don't want them trying 
to break your security.


Regards,
Paul Strauss




From william.thompson1 at att.net  Sun Sep 26 00:16:38 2004
From: william.thompson1 at att.net (william.thompson1 at att.net)
Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 05:16:38 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Acc used to resolve SQL Svr Excel prb
Message-ID: <092620040516.18377.415650B50009C02E000047C92160376021CE02019C9F0301089BD2030E0704040799@att.net>

List,
I have a question about refreshing files that, for various reasons, I'm reluctant to create a job to delete in order to replace the data in them.   I'm thinking that Access will be the desired tool to replace/contain data used in a multi-sheet workbook, but am not clear on a few things about SQL Svr refreshes.  (The workbook's format and sheets layout has to stay intact).

One of the steps in a DTS package is used to run a sql statement against the worksheet - but the sql statement doesn't do anything in this case - it was simply set up to fit into the context of a series of DTS packages for purposes of destructively refreshing sheets within a set of Excel spreadsheets on a file share based on a customized set of strings in DTS.  One package replaces the data in each worksheet.
  
Am I correct to assume that within the context of sql server data transfers that
1.)  An Excel spreadsheet is updateable but Not insert/deletable.
2.)  While the driver is fairly recent, Excel data can be only be pulled by worksheet, not pushed.  
3.)  Because the requirement that  four worksheets stay intact in each Workbook, the destructive refresh imposes a requirement that four Access tables must be used by a macro or some other auto process to reconstruct four worksheets.  In my humble yet slightly uncertain opinion.

I'm good to go on the Access app used as a container to push/ be pulled, but I'm wondering if I overlooked anything.  Temp tables are not the favored method either, so this option would be a last resort.  The data has to be somewhat 'linked' to the file that is generated each week.

Any comments/suggestions appreciated.  What would we do without Excel huh?

Bill Thompson

From gustav at cactus.dk  Sun Sep 26 03:40:35 2004
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 10:40:35 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Acc used to resolve SQL Svr Excel prb
In-Reply-To: <092620040516.18377.415650B50009C02E000047C92160376021CE02019C9F0301089BD2030E0704040799@att.net>
References: <092620040516.18377.415650B50009C02E000047C92160376021CE02019C9F0301089BD2030E0704040799@att.net>
Message-ID: <1912137323.20040926104035@cactus.dk>

Hi William

> Am I correct to assume that within the context of sql server data transfers that

> 1.)  An Excel spreadsheet is updateable but Not insert/deletable.

You can update and, if empty rows are present, add records.
No deletes. However, you can write a simple erase function looping
through the rows and the fields of these clearing these by setting the
value to Null. Indeed, for an attached table (see next) this is very
easy and fast.

> 2.)  While the driver is fairly recent, Excel data can be only be
> pulled by worksheet, not pushed.

Not quite sure what you mean. If you attach a worksheet or - the
preferred method - a Named Range, you can read and write data in both
Access and Excel.

> 3.)  Because the requirement that  four worksheets stay intact in
> each Workbook, the destructive refresh imposes a requirement that
> four Access tables must be used by a macro or some other auto
> process to reconstruct four worksheets.  In my humble yet slightly
> uncertain opinion.

The fastest way to "refresh" a workbook is simply to delete it
completely and create a new copy from a master which is never touched.
Also, this ensures that your workbook never gets bloated or corrupted
by multiple writings. If you need to keep the old data, just rename
the workbook (and move it to an archive folder) instead of deleting
it. 

> I'm good to go on the Access app used as a container to push/ be
> pulled, but I'm wondering if I overlooked anything.  Temp tables are
> not the favored method either, so this option would be a last
> resort.  The data has to be somewhat 'linked' to the file that is
> generated each week.

Temp tables can be very useful. It is much faster to manipulate data
in a temp Access/Jet table and - when ready - copy the data to the
attached Excel tables. Just keep the temp tables in a separate file
which you - as for the workbook - can replace by a new and empty copy
of a master each week.

/gustav



From jmoss111 at bellsouth.net  Sun Sep 26 04:20:12 2004
From: jmoss111 at bellsouth.net (JMoss)
Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 04:20:12 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Acc used to resolve SQL Svr Excel prb
In-Reply-To: <092620040516.18377.415650B50009C02E000047C92160376021CE02019C9F0301089BD2030E0704040799@att.net>
Message-ID: <OKEMICJGPJCMJCCHGNDEGEADCOAA.jmoss111@bellsouth.net>

Why not start a macro and then format the sheets and save the macro, then
copy the vba code from the macro into an access module, that lets you
recreate the formatting? Then read the data from sql server into recordsets
in access and use automation to create the spreadsheet. I am doing this with
linked Oracle Financials tables and it works quite well.

Jim



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
william.thompson1 at att.net
Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2004 12:17 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Acc used to resolve SQL Svr Excel prb


List,
I have a question about refreshing files that, for various reasons, I'm
reluctant to create a job to delete in order to replace the data in them.
I'm thinking that Access will be the desired tool to replace/contain data
used in a multi-sheet workbook, but am not clear on a few things about SQL
Svr refreshes.  (The workbook's format and sheets layout has to stay
intact).

One of the steps in a DTS package is used to run a sql statement against the
worksheet - but the sql statement doesn't do anything in this case - it was
simply set up to fit into the context of a series of DTS packages for
purposes of destructively refreshing sheets within a set of Excel
spreadsheets on a file share based on a customized set of strings in DTS.
One package replaces the data in each worksheet.

Am I correct to assume that within the context of sql server data transfers
that
1.)  An Excel spreadsheet is updateable but Not insert/deletable.
2.)  While the driver is fairly recent, Excel data can be only be pulled by
worksheet, not pushed.
3.)  Because the requirement that  four worksheets stay intact in each
Workbook, the destructive refresh imposes a requirement that four Access
tables must be used by a macro or some other auto process to reconstruct
four worksheets.  In my humble yet slightly uncertain opinion.

I'm good to go on the Access app used as a container to push/ be pulled, but
I'm wondering if I overlooked anything.  Temp tables are not the favored
method either, so this option would be a last resort.  The data has to be
somewhat 'linked' to the file that is generated each week.

Any comments/suggestions appreciated.  What would we do without Excel huh?

Bill Thompson
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From william.thompson1 at att.net  Sun Sep 26 12:31:41 2004
From: william.thompson1 at att.net (william.thompson1 at att.net)
Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 17:31:41 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Acc used to resolve SQL Svr Excel prb
Message-ID: <092620041731.27156.4156FCFC000E335B00006A142158766720CE02019C9F0301089BD2030E0704040799@att.net>

<< clearing these by setting the value to Null >>
it would be interesting to see what shortcuts would evolve if a refresh was done this way in Excel.

<<what you mean>>
I meant to say 'the Excel driver in SQL Server, context of DTS' which is ISAM I think - basically text??.  I'll look into that.
But anyway, I'm glad to get a second nod regarding how Excel files are updated. 
I was certain there was no insert / delete, but DTS is too flexible sometimes, and the when the package was written, it was apparently tested.

<<Excel Workbook... If you need to keep the old data, just rename the workbook >>
SQL Server DTS would be doing this task, and I'm still looking into the shell xp (system stored procedure) that handles this.  

<<use temp tables>>
You're right -   the Access DB could be attaching after the data is destroyed/refreshed.

I appreciate the help,

William N. Thompson



-------------- Original message from Gustav Brock : -------------- 

> Hi William 
> 
> > Am I correct to assume that within the context of sql server data transfers 
> that 
> 
> > 1.) An Excel spreadsheet is updateable but Not insert/deletable. 
> 
> You can update and, if empty rows are present, add records. 
> No deletes. However, you can write a simple erase function looping 
> through the rows and the fields of these clearing these by setting the 
> value to Null. Indeed, for an attached table (see next) this is very 
> easy and fast. 
> 
> > 2.) While the driver is fairly recent, Excel data can be only be 
> > pulled by worksheet, not pushed. 
> 
> Not quite sure what you mean. If you attach a worksheet or - the 
> preferred method - a Named Range, you can read and write data in both 
> Access and Excel. 
> 
> > 3.) Because the requirement that four worksheets stay intact in 
> > each Workbook, the destructive refresh imposes a requirement that 
> > four Access tables must be used by a macro or some other auto 
> > process to reconstruct four worksheets. In my humble yet slightly 
> > uncertain opinion. 
> 
> The fastest way to "refresh" a workbook is simply to delete it 
> completely and create a new copy from a master which is never touched. 
> Also, this ensures that your workbook never gets bloated or corrupted 
> by multiple writings. If you need to keep the old data, just rename 
> the workbook (and move it to an archive folder) instead of deleting 
> it. 
> 
> > I'm good to go on the Access app used as a container to push/ be 
> > pulled, but I'm wondering if I overlooked anything. Temp tables are 
> > not the favored method either, so this option would be a last 
> > resort. The data has to be somewhat 'linked' to the file that is 
> > generated each week. 
> 
> Temp tables can be very useful. It is much faster to manipulate data 
> in a temp Access/Jet table and - when ready - copy the data to the 
> attached Excel tables. Just keep the temp tables in a separate file 
> which you - as for the workbook - can replace by a new and empty copy 
> of a master each week. 
> 
> /gustav 
> 
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From william.thompson1 at att.net  Sun Sep 26 12:48:43 2004
From: william.thompson1 at att.net (william.thompson1 at att.net)
Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 17:48:43 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Acc used to resolve SQL Svr Excel prb
Message-ID: <092620041748.6326.415700FA000E35C0000018B62158766720CE02019C9F0301089BD2030E0704040799@att.net>

Jim,
Good point.  I'd like to be doing just that, and have an Access app already set up.  I'd also like to log some of the process in a little xml file. I've got a bunch of code in several different places that I need to bring together to make it happen.  

This situation - the SQL Svr DTS package was apparently written some time ago, tested with a not-so-realistic set of data.  It was certain to break on 'Delete from Workbook' script in the transform.  I was almost sure (now very sure) there was no insert / delete in ISAM, but DTS is too flexible sometimes, and the when the package was written, it was apparently tested.

The Access app I'd like to be similar to your situation -  flexible and be able to handle any data source - SQL Server, Oracle, Excel, Text, and XML - soon.  I imagine it will take some time for DTS packages in a typical Enterprise to be written with this in mind.  Oracle RDMS are probably further along in terms of XML.

Bill

-------------- Original message from "JMoss" : -------------- 

> Why not start a macro and then format the sheets and save the macro, then 
> copy the vba code from the macro into an access module, that lets you 
> recreate the formatting? Then read the data from sql server into recordsets 
> in access and use automation to create the spreadsheet. I am doing this with 
> linked Oracle Financials tables and it works quite well. 
> 
> Jim 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of 
> william.thompson1 at att.net 
> Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2004 12:17 AM 
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Acc used to resolve SQL Svr Excel prb 
> 
> 
> List, 
> I have a question about refreshing files that, for various reasons, I'm 
> reluctant to create a job to delete in order to replace the data in them. 
> I'm thinking that Access will be the desired tool to replace/contain data 
> used in a multi-sheet workbook, but am not clear on a few things about SQL 
> Svr refreshes. (The workbook's format and sheets layout has to stay 
> intact). 
> 
> One of the steps in a DTS package is used to run a sql statement against the 
> worksheet - but the sql statement doesn't do anything in this case - it was 
> simply set up to fit into the context of a series of DTS packages for 
> purposes of destructively refreshing sheets within a set of Excel 
> spreadsheets on a file share based on a customized set of strings in DTS. 
> One package replaces the data in each worksheet. 
> 
> Am I correct to assume that within the context of sql server data transfers 
> that 
> 1.) An Excel spreadsheet is updateable but Not insert/deletable. 
> 2.) While the driver is fairly recent, Excel data can be only be pulled by 
> worksheet, not pushed. 
> 3.) Because the requirement that four worksheets stay intact in each 
> Workbook, the destructive refresh imposes a requirement that four Access 
> tables must be used by a macro or some other auto process to reconstruct 
> four worksheets. In my humble yet slightly uncertain opinion. 
> 
> I'm good to go on the Access app used as a container to push/ be pulled, but 
> I'm wondering if I overlooked anything. Temp tables are not the favored 
> method either, so this option would be a last resort. The data has to be 
> somewhat 'linked' to the file that is generated each week. 
> 
> Any comments/suggestions appreciated. What would we do without Excel huh? 
> 
> Bill Thompson 
> -- 
> _______________________________________________ 
> AccessD mailing list 
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd 
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com 
> 
> -- 
> _______________________________________________ 
> AccessD mailing list 
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd 
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com 

From william.thompson1 at att.net  Sun Sep 26 13:04:41 2004
From: william.thompson1 at att.net (william.thompson1 at att.net)
Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 18:04:41 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Acc used to resolve SQL Svr Excel prb
Message-ID: <092620041804.14809.415704B8000BD3D6000039D92158766720CE02019C9F0301089BD2030E0704040799@att.net>

oops, I goofed the most important part
That should read -- It was certain to break on 'Delete from Worksheet' script in the transform  -- (not 'From Workbook' though that would break too!). 

The crux of the problem was that four worksheets, data created by SQL server, had to stay intact in each workbook, thus the Access app 

Bill 

From roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk  Mon Sep 27 03:07:58 2004
From: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk (Roz Clarke)
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 09:07:58 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Administrivia - Server Back Up
Message-ID: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C8318805CED50A@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>

hip hip!

-----Original Message-----
From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net] 
Sent: 25 September 2004 15:13
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Administrivia - Server Back Up


Three cheers and a HUGE pat on the back for Bryan!

He did this maintenance work in his personal free time!

John Bartow, President
Database Advisors, Inc.
Email: mailto:president at databaseadvisors.com
Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Bryan Carbonnell
Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2004 7:12 AM
To: administrivia at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Administrivia - Server Back Up


Well, the mailserver and list software is back up and running.

Hopefully our problems are all cleared up now. If not, please let me 
know at either listmaster at databaseadvisors.com AND 
carbonnb at sympatico.ca

That way if dba's server is not working, then I will still be able to 
look at it.

Thanks for your understanding and patience.

-- 
Bryan Carbonnell - listmaster at databaseadvisors.com
There's a fine line between genius and insanity. I have erased this 
line. 


-- 
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From cyx5 at cdc.gov  Mon Sep 27 05:33:12 2004
From: cyx5 at cdc.gov (Nicholson, Karen)
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 06:33:12 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access/SQL Dates
Message-ID: <A5B5AA20555F594BA7B6BD2048E49E43840722@m-niosh-5.niosh.cdc.gov>

I have an Access front-end and am querying an SQL backend.  When putting
in a select statement in the query, all is fine if I specify a date of
say, less than today or <date()... However, if I try to specify a
particular date, I get an sql overflow error.  The syntaxes I have tried
include: <#9/27/2004#  <'9/27/2004' <'20040927'.  Any clues?  Thanks.

Karen Nicholson
National Laboratory
Xerox Global Services




From mikedorism at adelphia.net  Mon Sep 27 06:27:28 2004
From: mikedorism at adelphia.net (Mike & Doris Manning)
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 07:27:28 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access/SQL Dates
In-Reply-To: <A5B5AA20555F594BA7B6BD2048E49E43840722@m-niosh-5.niosh.cdc.gov>
Message-ID: <000d01c4a484$f8c20640$060aa845@hargrove.internal>

I ran into this problem when I used smalldatetime in the table as the data
type instead of datetime.  To be honest, I was in a hurry and didn't have
time to figure out why it was happening.  I just changed from smalldatetime
to datetime and the problem went away.  I've never used smalldatetime since
then.

Doris Manning
Database Administrator
Hargrove Inc.
www.hargroveinc.com


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Nicholson, Karen
Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 6:33 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Access/SQL Dates


I have an Access front-end and am querying an SQL backend.  When putting in
a select statement in the query, all is fine if I specify a date of say,
less than today or <date()... However, if I try to specify a particular
date, I get an sql overflow error.  The syntaxes I have tried
include: <#9/27/2004#  <'9/27/2004' <'20040927'.  Any clues?  Thanks.

Karen Nicholson
National Laboratory
Xerox Global Services


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From cyx5 at cdc.gov  Mon Sep 27 07:19:03 2004
From: cyx5 at cdc.gov (Nicholson, Karen)
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 08:19:03 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access/SQL Dates
Message-ID: <A5B5AA20555F594BA7B6BD2048E49E43840724@m-niosh-5.niosh.cdc.gov>

Interesting.  The SQL backend structure can not be changed as it is
proprietary.  Yikes.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mike & Doris
Manning
Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 7:27 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access/SQL Dates


I ran into this problem when I used smalldatetime in the table as the
data
type instead of datetime.  To be honest, I was in a hurry and didn't
have
time to figure out why it was happening.  I just changed from
smalldatetime
to datetime and the problem went away.  I've never used smalldatetime
since
then.

Doris Manning
Database Administrator
Hargrove Inc.
www.hargroveinc.com


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Nicholson,
Karen
Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 6:33 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Access/SQL Dates


I have an Access front-end and am querying an SQL backend.  When putting
in
a select statement in the query, all is fine if I specify a date of say,
less than today or <date()... However, if I try to specify a particular
date, I get an sql overflow error.  The syntaxes I have tried
include: <#9/27/2004#  <'9/27/2004' <'20040927'.  Any clues?  Thanks.

Karen Nicholson
National Laboratory
Xerox Global Services


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From garykjos at hotmail.com  Mon Sep 27 07:25:29 2004
From: garykjos at hotmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 07:25:29 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] RE: Administrivia - Server Back Up
Message-ID: <BAY2-F2xp1ZubIiC08B0000bcd9@hotmail.com>

Thank you for doing this work Bryan!  I hope this does the trick and all wll 
be well again.


Gary Kjos
garykjos at hotmail.com





>From: "Bryan Carbonnell" <listmaster at databaseadvisors.com>
>Reply-To: Discussion of Hardware and Software 
>issues<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: administrivia at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: [dba-Tech] Administrivia - Server Back Up
>Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 08:11:41 -0400
>
>Well, the mailserver and list software is back up and running.
>
>Hopefully our problems are all cleared up now. If not, please let me
>know at either listmaster at databaseadvisors.com AND
>carbonnb at sympatico.ca
>
>That way if dba's server is not working, then I will still be able to
>look at it.
>
>Thanks for your understanding and patience.
>
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From garykjos at hotmail.com  Mon Sep 27 07:36:41 2004
From: garykjos at hotmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 07:36:41 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Administrivia - Server Back Up
Message-ID: <BAY2-F37sxusY5HgCom0005c7aa@hotmail.com>

Thanks Bryan!



Gary Kjos
garykjos at hotmail.com





>From: "John W. Colby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving'"<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Administrivia - Server Back Up
>Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 09:55:46 -0400
>
>Hear Hear!
>
>John W. Colby
>www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
>Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2004 9:45 AM
>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Administrivia - Server Back Up
>
>
>A vote of thanks for Bryan's efforts.
>
>-- Andy Lacey
>http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > Bryan Carbonnell
> > Sent: 25 September 2004 13:12
> > To: administrivia at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: [AccessD] Administrivia - Server Back Up
> >
> >
> > Well, the mailserver and list software is back up and running.
> >
> > Hopefully our problems are all cleared up now. If not, please let me
> > know at either listmaster at databaseadvisors.com AND
> > carbonnb at sympatico.ca
> >
> > That way if dba's server is not working, then I will still be able to
> > look at it.
> >
> > Thanks for your understanding and patience.
> >
> > --
> > Bryan Carbonnell - listmaster at databaseadvisors.com
> > There's a fine line between genius and insanity. I have erased this
> > line.
> >
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From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com  Mon Sep 27 10:18:53 2004
From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 11:18:53 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access/SQL Dates
Message-ID: <1D7828CDB8350747AFE9D69E0E90DA1F0471A96E@xlivmbx21.aig.com>

Very probably I am wrong as I've not yet had the joy of dealing with SQL
server, but is it not the case that the date delimiting character in SQL
Server is the percentage symbol (%) not pound or hash (#)?

Lambert

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [SMTP:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Nicholson, Karen
> Sent:	Monday, September 27, 2004 8:19 AM
> To:	Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject:	RE: [AccessD] Access/SQL Dates
> 
> Interesting.  The SQL backend structure can not be changed as it is
> proprietary.  Yikes.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mike & Doris
> Manning
> Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 7:27 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access/SQL Dates
> 
> 
> I ran into this problem when I used smalldatetime in the table as the
> data
> type instead of datetime.  To be honest, I was in a hurry and didn't
> have
> time to figure out why it was happening.  I just changed from
> smalldatetime
> to datetime and the problem went away.  I've never used smalldatetime
> since
> then.
> 
> Doris Manning
> Database Administrator
> Hargrove Inc.
> www.hargroveinc.com
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Nicholson,
> Karen
> Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 6:33 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Access/SQL Dates
> 
> 
> I have an Access front-end and am querying an SQL backend.  When putting
> in
> a select statement in the query, all is fine if I specify a date of say,
> less than today or <date()... However, if I try to specify a particular
> date, I get an sql overflow error.  The syntaxes I have tried
> include: <#9/27/2004#  <'9/27/2004' <'20040927'.  Any clues?  Thanks.
> 
> Karen Nicholson
> National Laboratory
> Xerox Global Services
> 
> 
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Sep 27 10:43:04 2004
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 08:43:04 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] ADPs  in the future
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312A7B@infoserver01.infostat.local>

All I know is that the State of California and the Federal government
are still using Access desktop databases for stuff the programmers don't
have time to create and small business still has the need for custom
database apps that don't require SQL Server. ;-/


Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Ken Ismert [mailto:KIsmert at TexasSystems.com] 
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 10:02 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] ADPs in the future



Dan,

Unless the next version of Access is a completely .NET centric product,
Windows forms on top, VB.NET or C# underneath, and is fully web enabled
(in other words the complete rewrite Mary Chipman said they weren't
going to do), it will have nothing of interest in it for me.

A simple test: if the next version of Access doesn't natively support
Microsoft's flagship database, SQL Server 2005, it has been abandoned.

I would like to hear more responses regarding the current prospects of
Access consulting. Nearly everyone I know locally is either having a
tough time getting Access work, or is moving away from Access towards
more profitable work. A consensus from this group that there is a
burgeoning Access job market in the near future would do more than
anything else to dispel my pessimism.

And yes, the bright side of the story is that the fundamentals we learn
here are applicable to any new data environment we may encounter.

-Ken

-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Waters [mailto:dwaters at usinternet.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 3:35 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] ADPs in the future


Ken,

Let's not sink the ship just yet.  A new version of Access (12) will
soon begin to be discussed.  Let's see what it is first.

OTOH, the skills that I know I've developed will let learn whatever I
need to learn to make my future work!

Dan Waters

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Sep 27 10:45:22 2004
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 08:45:22 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312A7C@infoserver01.infostat.local>

The difference is that if you use CurrentDb, you don't have to refresh
to see the changes.  DBEngine is faster because it doesn't refresh
automatically.  Redo your test with a refresh after every change and see
how they compare.

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Waters [mailto:dwaters at usinternet.com] 
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 7:06 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?


Using CurrentDB everywhere is slower.

I use:
Set rst = DBEngine(0)(0).OpenRecordset(stg,db.....)

I did a test once and determined that using the above line is exactly 8
times faster than using: Set rst = CurrentDB.OpenRecordset(stg,db.....)

However, you must use CurrentDB for some things, like setting the
current database's properties in VBA.

Dan Waters

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby Heid
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 6:19 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?

I thought using currentdb everywhere used extra resources and was a
no-no.

Bobby

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Erwin Craps -
IT Helps
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 3:57 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?


I never do  dbs as DAO.Database


I always do 
Set rstTemp as currentdb.openrecordset (bla bla)

Dbs can be replaced by currentdb


Erwin


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of ACTEBS
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 9:13 AM
To: access group
Subject: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?

Hi Everyone,
 
Does anyone have any code or such that handles the following elegantly:
 
Dim dbs as DAO.Database
Dim rst as DAO.Recordset
 
Set dbs etc etc
 
Do whatever here
 
dbs.close
dbs = nothing etc etc
 
I am tired of having do the above to open database connections and
recordsets in the above manner in every Sub or Function. Surely there's
a more elegant method that someone has come up with here you just parse
the SQL Statement through or something...
 
Any suggestions or links will be greatly appreciated...
 
Regards
Vlad
 
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From mikedorism at adelphia.net  Mon Sep 27 10:44:36 2004
From: mikedorism at adelphia.net (Mike & Doris Manning)
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 11:44:36 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access/SQL Dates
In-Reply-To: <1D7828CDB8350747AFE9D69E0E90DA1F0471A96E@xlivmbx21.aig.com>
Message-ID: <000001c4a4a8$e4c62b70$060aa845@hargrove.internal>

You are incorrect.  The single quote (') is the correct delimiting character
to replace the pound sign (#) used by Access.  The percentage symbol (%) is
the character to use when doing a LIKE search -- Access used an asterisk
(*).

Doris Manning
Database Administrator
Hargrove Inc.
www.hargroveinc.com


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert
Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 11:19 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; 'Nicholson, Karen'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access/SQL Dates


Very probably I am wrong as I've not yet had the joy of dealing with SQL
server, but is it not the case that the date delimiting character in SQL
Server is the percentage symbol (%) not pound or hash (#)?

Lambert



From mark.breen at gmail.com  Mon Sep 27 10:57:49 2004
From: mark.breen at gmail.com (Mark Breen)
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 16:57:49 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312A7C@infoserver01.infostat.local>
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312A7C@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <26a96cce040927085772db8b56@mail.gmail.com>

Hello All,

Does anyone have a similar class or function for elegantly handling
ADO record sets ?

Or similar in the .Net environment ?

Mark Breen
Ireland



On Mon, 27 Sep 2004 08:45:22 -0700, Charlotte Foust
<cfoust at infostatsystems.com> wrote:
> The difference is that if you use CurrentDb, you don't have to refresh
> to see the changes.  DBEngine is faster because it doesn't refresh
> automatically.  Redo your test with a refresh after every change and see
> how they compare.
> 
> Charlotte Foust
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dan Waters [mailto:dwaters at usinternet.com]
> Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 7:06 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?
> 
> Using CurrentDB everywhere is slower.
> 
> I use:
> Set rst = DBEngine(0)(0).OpenRecordset(stg,db.....)
> 
> I did a test once and determined that using the above line is exactly 8
> times faster than using: Set rst = CurrentDB.OpenRecordset(stg,db.....)
> 
> However, you must use CurrentDB for some things, like setting the
> current database's properties in VBA.
> 
> Dan Waters
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby Heid
> Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 6:19 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?
> 
> I thought using currentdb everywhere used extra resources and was a
> no-no.
> 
> Bobby
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Erwin Craps -
> IT Helps
> Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 3:57 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?
> 
> I never do  dbs as DAO.Database
> 
> I always do
> Set rstTemp as currentdb.openrecordset (bla bla)
> 
> Dbs can be replaced by currentdb
> 
> Erwin
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of ACTEBS
> Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 9:13 AM
> To: access group
> Subject: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?
> 
> Hi Everyone,
> 
> Does anyone have any code or such that handles the following elegantly:
> 
> Dim dbs as DAO.Database
> Dim rst as DAO.Recordset
> 
> Set dbs etc etc
> 
> Do whatever here
> 
> dbs.close
> dbs = nothing etc etc
> 
> I am tired of having do the above to open database connections and
> recordsets in the above manner in every Sub or Function. Surely there's
> a more elegant method that someone has come up with here you just parse
> the SQL Statement through or something...
> 
> Any suggestions or links will be greatly appreciated...
> 
> Regards
> Vlad
> 
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From gjgiever at myway.com  Mon Sep 27 11:13:08 2004
From: gjgiever at myway.com (Gary J. Giever)
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 12:13:08 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [AccessD] No Permission?
Message-ID: <20040927161308.6AAE73A72@mprdmxin.myway.com>


I have an annoying problem with Access 97 that began when I switched from Windows 98SE to Windows XP Pro.  Now when I try to re-link tables, I get this message from the Linked Table Manager:  "You do not have access to the folder 'C:\My Documents\Access\In Progress\*.mdb'.  See your administrator for access to this folder."  Most of the time it lets me re-link the tables anyway, but sometimes it will not.

This is confusing since I am the administrator and only user of this computer.  I have checked the Security settings under properties for the files and I seem to have permission.  Any ideas?


Gary J. Giever, M.A.
Applications Developer
ACCMHS
3285 122nd Avenue
PO Drawer 130
Allegan, MI  49010



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From cyx5 at cdc.gov  Mon Sep 27 11:13:04 2004
From: cyx5 at cdc.gov (Nicholson, Karen)
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 12:13:04 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] ADPs  in the future
Message-ID: <A5B5AA20555F594BA7B6BD2048E49E4384072F@m-niosh-5.niosh.cdc.gov>

I am working for the CDC at this time.  They could not find an Access
person in Pittsburgh to do what they needed. ?  They want to take this
to .net, so I am studying asp.net and vb.net as I develop and fix this
in Access.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 11:43 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] ADPs in the future


All I know is that the State of California and the Federal government
are still using Access desktop databases for stuff the programmers don't
have time to create and small business still has the need for custom
database apps that don't require SQL Server. ;-/


Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Ken Ismert [mailto:KIsmert at TexasSystems.com] 
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 10:02 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] ADPs in the future



Dan,

Unless the next version of Access is a completely .NET centric product,
Windows forms on top, VB.NET or C# underneath, and is fully web enabled
(in other words the complete rewrite Mary Chipman said they weren't
going to do), it will have nothing of interest in it for me.

A simple test: if the next version of Access doesn't natively support
Microsoft's flagship database, SQL Server 2005, it has been abandoned.

I would like to hear more responses regarding the current prospects of
Access consulting. Nearly everyone I know locally is either having a
tough time getting Access work, or is moving away from Access towards
more profitable work. A consensus from this group that there is a
burgeoning Access job market in the near future would do more than
anything else to dispel my pessimism.

And yes, the bright side of the story is that the fundamentals we learn
here are applicable to any new data environment we may encounter.

-Ken

-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Waters [mailto:dwaters at usinternet.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 3:35 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] ADPs in the future


Ken,

Let's not sink the ship just yet.  A new version of Access (12) will
soon begin to be discussed.  Let's see what it is first.

OTOH, the skills that I know I've developed will let learn whatever I
need to learn to make my future work!

Dan Waters

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From Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org  Mon Sep 27 11:27:39 2004
From: Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 12:27:39 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?
Message-ID: <08F823FD83787D4BA0B99CA580AD3C744867FF@TTNEXCHCL2.hshhp.com>

I have one for VB but it can easily be modded if you're using <A2K.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Mark Breen
Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 11:58 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?


Hello All,

Does anyone have a similar class or function for elegantly handling
ADO record sets ?

Or similar in the .Net environment ?

Mark Breen
Ireland



On Mon, 27 Sep 2004 08:45:22 -0700, Charlotte Foust
<cfoust at infostatsystems.com> wrote:
> The difference is that if you use CurrentDb, you don't have to refresh
> to see the changes.  DBEngine is faster because it doesn't refresh
> automatically.  Redo your test with a refresh after every change and see
> how they compare.
> 
> Charlotte Foust
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dan Waters [mailto:dwaters at usinternet.com]
> Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 7:06 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?
> 
> Using CurrentDB everywhere is slower.
> 
> I use:
> Set rst = DBEngine(0)(0).OpenRecordset(stg,db.....)
> 
> I did a test once and determined that using the above line is exactly 8
> times faster than using: Set rst = CurrentDB.OpenRecordset(stg,db.....)
> 
> However, you must use CurrentDB for some things, like setting the
> current database's properties in VBA.
> 
> Dan Waters
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby Heid
> Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 6:19 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?
> 
> I thought using currentdb everywhere used extra resources and was a
> no-no.
> 
> Bobby
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Erwin Craps -
> IT Helps
> Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 3:57 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?
> 
> I never do  dbs as DAO.Database
> 
> I always do
> Set rstTemp as currentdb.openrecordset (bla bla)
> 
> Dbs can be replaced by currentdb
> 
> Erwin
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of ACTEBS
> Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 9:13 AM
> To: access group
> Subject: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?
> 
> Hi Everyone,
> 
> Does anyone have any code or such that handles the following elegantly:
> 
> Dim dbs as DAO.Database
> Dim rst as DAO.Recordset
> 
> Set dbs etc etc
> 
> Do whatever here
> 
> dbs.close
> dbs = nothing etc etc
> 
> I am tired of having do the above to open database connections and
> recordsets in the above manner in every Sub or Function. Surely there's
> a more elegant method that someone has come up with here you just parse
> the SQL Statement through or something...
> 
> Any suggestions or links will be greatly appreciated...
> 
> Regards
> Vlad
> 
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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Mon Sep 27 12:35:16 2004
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 12:35:16 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?
In-Reply-To: <23202672.1096300635849.JavaMail.root@sniper5.usinternet.com>
Message-ID: <000201c4a4b8$5a5eb370$de1811d8@danwaters>

Charlotte,

Thanks for describing this - I did not know that was the difference.  With
what I'm currently doing I don't need to refresh immediately, but I'll
remember this for when I do.

Thanks!
Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 10:45 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?

The difference is that if you use CurrentDb, you don't have to refresh
to see the changes.  DBEngine is faster because it doesn't refresh
automatically.  Redo your test with a refresh after every change and see
how they compare.

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Waters [mailto:dwaters at usinternet.com] 
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 7:06 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?


Using CurrentDB everywhere is slower.

I use:
Set rst = DBEngine(0)(0).OpenRecordset(stg,db.....)

I did a test once and determined that using the above line is exactly 8
times faster than using: Set rst = CurrentDB.OpenRecordset(stg,db.....)

However, you must use CurrentDB for some things, like setting the
current database's properties in VBA.

Dan Waters

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby Heid
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 6:19 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?

I thought using currentdb everywhere used extra resources and was a
no-no.

Bobby

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Erwin Craps -
IT Helps
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 3:57 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?


I never do  dbs as DAO.Database


I always do 
Set rstTemp as currentdb.openrecordset (bla bla)

Dbs can be replaced by currentdb


Erwin


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of ACTEBS
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 9:13 AM
To: access group
Subject: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?

Hi Everyone,
 
Does anyone have any code or such that handles the following elegantly:
 
Dim dbs as DAO.Database
Dim rst as DAO.Recordset
 
Set dbs etc etc
 
Do whatever here
 
dbs.close
dbs = nothing etc etc
 
I am tired of having do the above to open database connections and
recordsets in the above manner in every Sub or Function. Surely there's
a more elegant method that someone has come up with here you just parse
the SQL Statement through or something...
 
Any suggestions or links will be greatly appreciated...
 
Regards
Vlad
 
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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Mon Sep 27 12:37:34 2004
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 12:37:34 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] ADPs  in the future
In-Reply-To: <3916622.1096303779545.JavaMail.root@sniper6.usinternet.com>
Message-ID: <000301c4a4b8$ac980c40$de1811d8@danwaters>

Karen,

What was it they wanted to do in Access that they couldn't find anyone to
do?

Dan Waters

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Nicholson, Karen
Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 11:13 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] ADPs in the future

I am working for the CDC at this time.  They could not find an Access
person in Pittsburgh to do what they needed. ?  They want to take this
to .net, so I am studying asp.net and vb.net as I develop and fix this
in Access.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 11:43 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] ADPs in the future


All I know is that the State of California and the Federal government
are still using Access desktop databases for stuff the programmers don't
have time to create and small business still has the need for custom
database apps that don't require SQL Server. ;-/


Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Ken Ismert [mailto:KIsmert at TexasSystems.com] 
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 10:02 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] ADPs in the future



Dan,

Unless the next version of Access is a completely .NET centric product,
Windows forms on top, VB.NET or C# underneath, and is fully web enabled
(in other words the complete rewrite Mary Chipman said they weren't
going to do), it will have nothing of interest in it for me.

A simple test: if the next version of Access doesn't natively support
Microsoft's flagship database, SQL Server 2005, it has been abandoned.

I would like to hear more responses regarding the current prospects of
Access consulting. Nearly everyone I know locally is either having a
tough time getting Access work, or is moving away from Access towards
more profitable work. A consensus from this group that there is a
burgeoning Access job market in the near future would do more than
anything else to dispel my pessimism.

And yes, the bright side of the story is that the fundamentals we learn
here are applicable to any new data environment we may encounter.

-Ken

-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Waters [mailto:dwaters at usinternet.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 3:35 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] ADPs in the future


Ken,

Let's not sink the ship just yet.  A new version of Access (12) will
soon begin to be discussed.  Let's see what it is first.

OTOH, the skills that I know I've developed will let learn whatever I
need to learn to make my future work!

Dan Waters

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From cyx5 at cdc.gov  Mon Sep 27 13:14:12 2004
From: cyx5 at cdc.gov (Nicholson, Karen)
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 14:14:12 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] ADPs  in the future
Message-ID: <A5B5AA20555F594BA7B6BD2048E49E43840733@m-niosh-5.niosh.cdc.gov>

The system was originally written by an employee who was not a
programmer but was incredibly resourceful in getting the program to work
with a million macros.  They hired a firm to turn it into a web
application and the project failed after about a $300,000 investment.
Then they decided to get someone in to make the Access application work
better.  Once this is up and running and we have an understanding of the
tangled web that was woven, then we can up it to the .net environment.
Why couldn't they find anyone in Pittsburgh?  Looks like most folks have
moved up to the .net environment here.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 1:38 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] ADPs in the future


Karen,

What was it they wanted to do in Access that they couldn't find anyone
to
do?

Dan Waters

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Nicholson,
Karen
Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 11:13 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] ADPs in the future

I am working for the CDC at this time.  They could not find an Access
person in Pittsburgh to do what they needed. ?  They want to take this
to .net, so I am studying asp.net and vb.net as I develop and fix this
in Access.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 11:43 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] ADPs in the future


All I know is that the State of California and the Federal government
are still using Access desktop databases for stuff the programmers don't
have time to create and small business still has the need for custom
database apps that don't require SQL Server. ;-/


Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Ken Ismert [mailto:KIsmert at TexasSystems.com] 
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 10:02 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] ADPs in the future



Dan,

Unless the next version of Access is a completely .NET centric product,
Windows forms on top, VB.NET or C# underneath, and is fully web enabled
(in other words the complete rewrite Mary Chipman said they weren't
going to do), it will have nothing of interest in it for me.

A simple test: if the next version of Access doesn't natively support
Microsoft's flagship database, SQL Server 2005, it has been abandoned.

I would like to hear more responses regarding the current prospects of
Access consulting. Nearly everyone I know locally is either having a
tough time getting Access work, or is moving away from Access towards
more profitable work. A consensus from this group that there is a
burgeoning Access job market in the near future would do more than
anything else to dispel my pessimism.

And yes, the bright side of the story is that the fundamentals we learn
here are applicable to any new data environment we may encounter.

-Ken

-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Waters [mailto:dwaters at usinternet.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 3:35 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] ADPs in the future


Ken,

Let's not sink the ship just yet.  A new version of Access (12) will
soon begin to be discussed.  Let's see what it is first.

OTOH, the skills that I know I've developed will let learn whatever I
need to learn to make my future work!

Dan Waters

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From JColby at dispec.com  Mon Sep 27 13:46:28 2004
From: JColby at dispec.com (Colby, John)
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 14:46:28 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] No MsgBox allowed
Message-ID: <05C61C52D7CAD211A7830008C7DF6F1079BDFA@DISABILITYINS01>

I am doing a rewrite on an app that runs unattended and emails (or FTPs)
files out to a client.  This app absolutely must run, or at least if it
fails it has to NOT pop up a message box and halt the process.  The process
can send many different files, as well as importing data into the database.
I want the piece that fails to error. log the error, email a notification of
error, and exit so that the next process can attempt to run.  The next
process may well run just fine.

Many of you are familiar with my error handler insertion wizard that inserts
error handlers in any function, sub or property, and can do so for an entire
module.  I have used it forever and have in general been satisfied with it.
Until now.  It of course creates a default message box displaying a message
box for any unhandled errors.  Now I need all errors logged to disk, and the
error log mailed to a list of email addresses when errors are encountered.

Thinking about this immediately raises a slew of questions.  I use a
framework that sets up a host of functionality.  What happens when the
failure is so early in the process that it can't even do logging or send an
email?  How do I know how early that is?  My framework has to be rewritten
to log errors and email them as well (where possible), since obviously if my
framework errors we don't want that hanging the app.  OTOH, some errors can
be ignored, others should stop the app.  If I have classes in the framework
used by the app (and obviously I do) how do I get errors in the framework
code to log in the app error log?  IOW, the framework has a wrapper class to
copy files, create directories etc.  If that code fails, it can log an
error, but it will log to the framework log, not the app log.  

In a similar vein, does every function return an error code so that anything
that can go wrong is checked and logged?  If it returns an error code, what
if it needs to return a string, i.e. how do you return an error and a value
at the same time (I know, pass a parameter - that was just to highlight the
issue)?

My objective here is not to write a "can't possible crash" thing, but rather
to intelligently determine what can be logged and emailed and what is so
severe that.. well... it just pops up a message box and someone has to come
look for the problem.  Those kinds of things should rarely if EVER happen at
the application level though.  Just because a link for an excel file is bad
doesn't mean the next report process will fail, only that THIS report
process can't continue.

The program I am replacing had the old "pop up an error message" for
unhandled errors and it just seems that over time you continually run into
new things that couldn't be (or weren't) anticipated.  Every month at least
the files don't go because the program is sitting with a message box up.

Aside from the obvious "Access is not the optimum environment to write such
an app", has anyone done stuff like this (in Access) and do you have any
thoughts on the issues above or any others I haven't raised?  Thinking about
this concept gives a whole new appreciation for major apps such as Windows
and Access where they should always do something intelligent even in the
face of problems not even existing at the time the program was written.

Just a few things to get you thinking.

John W. Colby
The DIS Database Guy



From JColby at dispec.com  Mon Sep 27 14:25:42 2004
From: JColby at dispec.com (Colby, John)
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 15:25:42 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Err
Message-ID: <05C61C52D7CAD211A7830008C7DF6F1079BDFC@DISABILITYINS01>

What is the secret to passing the error object into a function.  I am
calling a function like:

Public Function Er(objErr As ErrObject, 

but when I get inside the function the objErr is a zero and all it's
properties are empty.

John W. Colby
The DIS Database Guy



From dwaters at usinternet.com  Mon Sep 27 14:43:43 2004
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 14:43:43 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Err
In-Reply-To: <2191843.1096313725173.JavaMail.root@sniper7.usinternet.com>
Message-ID: <001a01c4a4ca$4c2dde40$de1811d8@danwaters>

John,

Immediately after you use an error value the first time, its value is then
'erased' by Access.  So to pass an error value or use it more than once, you
need to create a variable like:

	GlngErrorNumber = Err.Number
	GstgErrorDescription = Err.Description

Now you can use your variable as many times as you like.  I don't remember
where I first read this, but I was stumped for a while too.  There was a
description of why this happens, but that's lost to old memoryland too.

HTH,
Dan Waters

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Colby, John
Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 2:26 PM
To: 'AccessD at DatabaseAdvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] Err

What is the secret to passing the error object into a function.  I am
calling a function like:

Public Function Er(objErr As ErrObject, 

but when I get inside the function the objErr is a zero and all it's
properties are empty.

John W. Colby
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From mikedorism at adelphia.net  Mon Sep 27 15:01:52 2004
From: mikedorism at adelphia.net (Mike & Doris Manning)
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 16:01:52 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Err
In-Reply-To: <05C61C52D7CAD211A7830008C7DF6F1079BDFC@DISABILITYINS01>
Message-ID: <000001c4a4cc$d5d0efa0$060aa845@hargrove.internal>

Pass the Error number in and then Raise it to deal with the actual error.

Doris Manning
Database Administrator
Hargrove Inc.
www.hargroveinc.com


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Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 3:26 PM
To: 'AccessD at DatabaseAdvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] Err


What is the secret to passing the error object into a function.  I am
calling a function like:

Public Function Er(objErr As ErrObject, 

but when I get inside the function the objErr is a zero and all it's
properties are empty.

John W. Colby
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From davide at dalyn.co.nz  Mon Sep 27 14:36:00 2004
From: davide at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 07:36:00 +1200
Subject: [AccessD] Access/SQL Dates
In-Reply-To: <000001c4a4a8$e4c62b70$060aa845@hargrove.internal>
References: <1D7828CDB8350747AFE9D69E0E90DA1F0471A96E@xlivmbx21.aig.com>
	<000001c4a4a8$e4c62b70$060aa845@hargrove.internal>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20040928073454.019ec670@mail.dalyn.co.nz>

Have you tried <'2004-09-24'

Regards

David Emerson
Dalyn Software Ltd
25 Cunliffe St, Churton Park
Wellington, New Zealand
Ph/Fax 0064 4 478-7456

At 28/09/2004, you wrote:
>You are incorrect.  The single quote (') is the correct delimiting character
>to replace the pound sign (#) used by Access.  The percentage symbol (%) is
>the character to use when doing a LIKE search -- Access used an asterisk
>(*).
>
>Doris Manning
>Database Administrator
>Hargrove Inc.
>www.hargroveinc.com
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert
>Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 11:19 AM
>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; 'Nicholson, Karen'
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access/SQL Dates
>
>
>Very probably I am wrong as I've not yet had the joy of dealing with SQL
>server, but is it not the case that the date delimiting character in SQL
>Server is the percentage symbol (%) not pound or hash (#)?
>
>Lambert
>
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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Mon Sep 27 16:57:07 2004
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 14:57:07 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] No Permission?
References: <20040927161308.6AAE73A72@mprdmxin.myway.com>
Message-ID: <41588CB3.6030109@shaw.ca>

Are you sure you are logging on as administrator and not another user name?

Try this code to indicate your user name at logon
http://www.mvps.org/access/api/api0008.htm

Generally with a named user login "my documents" folder for user "marty" 
would look like
C:\Documents and Settings\marty\My Documents\Access\
or
C:\Documents and Settings\All Users

rather than

C:\My Documents\Access\



unless you have moved it, somehow

You could have a clobbered user profile which I  am not sure how to correct.

Try this code to see what is happening
Sub mydocfolder()
Dim MyAppPath As String
Dim wshShell As Object
Set wshShell = CreateObject("wscript.shell")
MyAppPath = wshShell.SpecialFolders("MyDocuments")
Set wshShell = Nothing

Debug.Print MyAppPath
Debug.Print fOSUserName
End Sub

See this article (it takes a second or two for the right frame to load)
http://securityadmin.info/faq.asp#ownership


 If this is Pro, you need to disable simple file sharing using
the Folder Options control panel, and then if you are using an admin
account, you can see the security tab.

Open Windows Explorer and right-click your "My Documents" folder. Then
select the Sharing and Security option and click the security tab. You
should see Administrators group, SYSTEM, and owner listed with full
control, but likely you won't see owner listed and if owner is not part
of the Administrators group, then that explains why you can't access the
folder.

Click the advanced button and click the owner tab. If the owner is
Administrators, then leave it alone, but if the owner is some long
string of numbers, you need to click Administrators and the checkbox
that says to apply this to all subfolders. Then click OK. Now the folder
belongs to a real account (and if you reinstall again, it won't be an
unknown account, it will continue to be Administrators group).

If owner does not appear in the list of accounts, then add owner and
give owner "full control". Make sure that this is applied to all
subfolders and files.

Reboot to normal mode, logon as owner and try to access the folder
again.


Gary J. Giever wrote:

>I have an annoying problem with Access 97 that began when I switched from Windows 98SE to Windows XP Pro.  Now when I try to re-link tables, I get this message from the Linked Table Manager:  "You do not have access to the folder 'C:\My Documents\Access\In Progress\*.mdb'.  See your administrator for access to this folder."  Most of the time it lets me re-link the tables anyway, but sometimes it will not.
>
>This is confusing since I am the administrator and only user of this computer.  I have checked the Security settings under properties for the files and I seem to have permission.  Any ideas?
>
>
>Gary J. Giever, M.A.
>Applications Developer
>ACCMHS
>3285 122nd Avenue
>PO Drawer 130
>Allegan, MI  49010
>
>
>
>Gary J. Giever, M.A.
>Applications Developer
>ACCMHS
>3285 122nd Avenue
>PO Drawer 130
>Allegan, MI  49010
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding.
>Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com
>  
>

-- 
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada





From Chris.Foote at uk.thalesgroup.com  Sat Sep 25 08:53:55 2004
From: Chris.Foote at uk.thalesgroup.com (Foote, Chris)
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 14:53:55 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Administrivia - Server Back Up
Message-ID: <97CF276BD8C6D4119C4B00508BB18DE709E0C381@ntscxch1.int.rdel.co.uk>

Absolutely!

Many thanks for all that you do Bryan!

Regards
Chris Foote (also at work on a Saturday in the UK)

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk]
> Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2004 2:45 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Administrivia - Server Back Up
> 
> 
> A vote of thanks for Bryan's efforts.
> 
> -- Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> > Bryan Carbonnell
> > Sent: 25 September 2004 13:12
> > To: administrivia at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: [AccessD] Administrivia - Server Back Up
> > 
> > 
> > Well, the mailserver and list software is back up and running.
> > 
> > Hopefully our problems are all cleared up now. If not, 
> please let me 
> > know at either listmaster at databaseadvisors.com AND 
> > carbonnb at sympatico.ca
> > 
> > That way if dba's server is not working, then I will still 
> be able to 
> > look at it.
> > 
> > Thanks for your understanding and patience.
> > 
> > -- 
> > Bryan Carbonnell - listmaster at databaseadvisors.com


From Chris.Foote at uk.thalesgroup.com  Mon Sep 27 07:21:27 2004
From: Chris.Foote at uk.thalesgroup.com (Foote, Chris)
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 13:21:27 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Test (please ignore!)
Message-ID: <97CF276BD8C6D4119C4B00508BB18DE709E0C389@ntscxch1.int.rdel.co.uk>

Test


From GregSmith at starband.net  Mon Sep 27 14:10:09 2004
From: GregSmith at starband.net (Greg Smith)
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 14:10:09 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [AccessD] No Permission?
In-Reply-To: <20040927161308.6AAE73A72@mprdmxin.myway.com>
References: <20040927161308.6AAE73A72@mprdmxin.myway.com>
Message-ID: <2319.216.43.21.235.1096312209.squirrel@cetus.email.starband.net>

Gary:

I've lived with that for years with Access 97.  None of our network guys
could figure it out...so I just left it in my "Annoying Access 97 Things"
box and learned to live with it.

Greg Smith
gregsmith at starband.net

> I have an annoying problem with Access 97 that began when I switched
> from Windows 98SE to Windows XP Pro.  Now when I try to re-link tables,
> I get this message from the Linked Table Manager:  "You do not have
> access to the folder 'C:\My Documents\Access\In Progress\*.mdb'.  See
> your administrator for access to this folder."  Most of the time it lets
> me re-link the tables anyway, but sometimes it will not.
>
> This is confusing since I am the administrator and only user of this
> computer.  I have checked the Security settings under properties for the
> files and I seem to have permission.  Any ideas?
>
>
> Gary J. Giever, M.A.
> Applications Developer
> ACCMHS
> 3285 122nd Avenue
> PO Drawer 130
> Allegan, MI  49010
>
>
>
> Gary J. Giever, M.A.
> Applications Developer
> ACCMHS
> 3285 122nd Avenue
> PO Drawer 130
> Allegan, MI  49010
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding.
> Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com
> --
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com





From BarbaraRyan at cox.net  Mon Sep 27 15:06:49 2004
From: BarbaraRyan at cox.net (Barbara Ryan)
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 16:06:49 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Adding Hyperlink field using DAO
Message-ID: <006701c4a4cd$86322260$0a00a8c0@cx470148a>

I need to add a hyperlink field to a table using DAO.  I tried the following, but received an error.

Set fld = tbl.CreateField("EstimateSpreadsheet", dbHyperlinkField)

Apparently, I need to create the field as "Memo" and set the attributes to dbHyperlinkField.  When adding a field to a table in Design view, I can select data type Hyperlink.  Why can't I do this in code?  Or can I?  I have a "master" database (which I add/update fields in Design view).  There are several other databases in which I want to propagate (using DAO) changes from the master. 

How can I do this? I am using Access 97.

Thanks,
Barb Ryan

 

From GregWSmith at starband.net  Mon Sep 27 15:50:00 2004
From: GregWSmith at starband.net (GregWSmith at starband.net)
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 16:50:00 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Test-Do not archive
Message-ID: <2694.216.43.21.235.1096318200.squirrel@medusa.email.starband.net>

Test only.

Greg

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From carbonnb at sympatico.ca  Mon Sep 27 20:25:22 2004
From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 21:25:22 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] No MsgBox allowed
In-Reply-To: <05C61C52D7CAD211A7830008C7DF6F1079BDFA@DISABILITYINS01>
Message-ID: <41588542.20768.B68441@localhost>

On 27 Sep 2004 at 14:46, Colby, John wrote:

> importing data into the database. I want the piece that fails to
> error. log the error, email a notification of error, and exit so that
> the next process can attempt to run.  The next process may well run
> just fine.

> box displaying a message box for any unhandled errors.  Now I need all
> errors logged to disk, and the error log mailed to a list of email
> addresses when errors are encountered.

John,

Have a look at the error logging module in the BEU. We needed a way 
to send back any errors in the upgrade so that not only could the 
developer upgrade the BE remotely, they could also debug it remotely 
too.

> Thinking about this immediately raises a slew of questions.  I use a
> framework that sets up a host of functionality.  What happens when the
> failure is so early in the process that it can't even do logging or
> send an email?  How do I know how early that is?  My framework has to
> be rewritten to log errors and email them as well (where possible),
> since obviously if my framework errors we don't want that hanging the
> app.  OTOH, some errors can be ignored, others should stop the app. 
> If I have classes in the framework used by the app (and obviously I
> do) how do I get errors in the framework code to log in the app error
> log?  IOW, the framework has a wrapper class to copy files, create
> directories etc.  If that code fails, it can log an error, but it will
> log to the framework log, not the app log.  

> Aside from the obvious "Access is not the optimum environment to write
> such an app", has anyone done stuff like this (in Access) and do you
> have any thoughts on the issues above or any others I haven't raised? 
> Thinking about this concept gives a whole new appreciation for major
> apps such as Windows and Access where they should always do something
> intelligent even in the face of problems not even existing at the time
> the program was written.

In the BEU, one of the very first, if not the absolute first things 
the BEU does is initialise the ErrorLogging class.

That way when ANY error happens, it can be logged. I wrote it to 
solve a problem that I had with the BEU, how to detail the errors I 
found, so that Reuben and Andy could fix 'em :), and it was such a 
logical step to include it in the BEU as a feature.

I have also ripped it out of the BEU to include in my most recent 
project, so that I could handle issues that arise whitout having to 
run all over the place to figure it out

Have a look at it, and hopefully you can integrate something like it 
into your framework.

-- 
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca
It was difficult to code. So it damn well better be difficult to use.




From GregSmith at starband.net  Mon Sep 27 09:11:41 2004
From: GregSmith at starband.net (Greg Smith)
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 09:11:41 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Administrivia - Server Back Up
In-Reply-To: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C8318805CED50A@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>
References: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C8318805CED50A@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>
Message-ID: <1470.216.43.21.235.1096294301.squirrel@cetus.email.starband.net>

Bryan:

Unless this one magically goes through, all my posts are still not getting
there...I sent one last night (Sunday) to you at
listmaster at databaseadvisors.com but I don't know if that even got to you. 
I'm cc'ing this one to your other address as well.

Below is a copy of the returned message...I don't know if that helps you
or not...

This one was from Friday's message...haven't gotten anything about last
night's message ... but it's not posted to AccessD yet either...

Greg

Returned message text:

The original message was received at Fri, 24 Sep 2004 09:34:39 -0400
from cetus.email.starband.net [148.78.247.27] (may be forged)

   ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
221 2.0.0 databaseadvisors.com closing connection
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>... Deferred
Message could not be delivered for 2 days
Message will be deleted from queue







From mark.breen at gmail.com  Tue Sep 28 05:13:48 2004
From: mark.breen at gmail.com (Mark Breen)
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 11:13:48 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?
In-Reply-To: <08F823FD83787D4BA0B99CA580AD3C744867FF@TTNEXCHCL2.hshhp.com>
References: <08F823FD83787D4BA0B99CA580AD3C744867FF@TTNEXCHCL2.hshhp.com>
Message-ID: <26a96cce04092803136ce6b2a8@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Jim,

Actually it was for VB that I really wanted it, but I felt shy about
admitting it on AccessD.

If you do not mind, I would be intersted in seeing it.

I do not mind it being posted on list, I presume most are mildly
interested, but if you prefer, you may send it directly.

Thanks Jim,

Mark Breen
Ireland



On Mon, 27 Sep 2004 12:27:39 -0400, Jim DeMarco
<jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org> wrote:
> I have one for VB but it can easily be modded if you're using <A2K.
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Mark Breen
> Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 11:58 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> Does anyone have a similar class or function for elegantly handling
> ADO record sets ?
> 
> Or similar in the .Net environment ?
> 
> Mark Breen
> Ireland
> 
> On Mon, 27 Sep 2004 08:45:22 -0700, Charlotte Foust
> <cfoust at infostatsystems.com> wrote:
> > The difference is that if you use CurrentDb, you don't have to refresh
> > to see the changes.  DBEngine is faster because it doesn't refresh
> > automatically.  Redo your test with a refresh after every change and see
> > how they compare.
> >
> > Charlotte Foust
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Dan Waters [mailto:dwaters at usinternet.com]
> > Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 7:06 AM
> > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?
> >
> > Using CurrentDB everywhere is slower.
> >
> > I use:
> > Set rst = DBEngine(0)(0).OpenRecordset(stg,db.....)
> >
> > I did a test once and determined that using the above line is exactly 8
> > times faster than using: Set rst = CurrentDB.OpenRecordset(stg,db.....)
> >
> > However, you must use CurrentDB for some things, like setting the
> > current database's properties in VBA.
> >
> > Dan Waters
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby Heid
> > Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 6:19 AM
> > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?
> >
> > I thought using currentdb everywhere used extra resources and was a
> > no-no.
> >
> > Bobby
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Erwin Craps -
> > IT Helps
> > Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 3:57 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?
> >
> > I never do  dbs as DAO.Database
> >
> > I always do
> > Set rstTemp as currentdb.openrecordset (bla bla)
> >
> > Dbs can be replaced by currentdb
> >
> > Erwin
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of ACTEBS
> > Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 9:13 AM
> > To: access group
> > Subject: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?
> >
> > Hi Everyone,
> >
> > Does anyone have any code or such that handles the following elegantly:
> >
> > Dim dbs as DAO.Database
> > Dim rst as DAO.Recordset
> >
> > Set dbs etc etc
> >
> > Do whatever here
> >
> > dbs.close
> > dbs = nothing etc etc
> >
> > I am tired of having do the above to open database connections and
> > recordsets in the above manner in every Sub or Function. Surely there's
> > a more elegant method that someone has come up with here you just parse
> > the SQL Statement through or something...
> >
> > Any suggestions or links will be greatly appreciated...
> >
> > Regards
> > Vlad
> >
> > --
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From gjgiever at myway.com  Tue Sep 28 06:05:00 2004
From: gjgiever at myway.com (Gary J. Giever)
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 07:05:00 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [AccessD] No Permission?
Message-ID: <20040928110500.694DF39FB@mprdmxin.myway.com>


I log in as having administrative rights but not as The Administrator.  I don't like the XP set up, so I created a new folder on the C drive called My Documents and I ignore the XP My Documents which is buried somewhere.

Thanks for the suggestions, I shall look into those issues.


Gary J. Giever, M.A.
Applications Developer
ACCMHS
3285 122nd Avenue
PO Drawer 130
Allegan, MI  49010


 --- On Mon 09/27, MartyConnelly < martyconnelly at shaw.ca > wrote:
From: MartyConnelly [mailto: martyconnelly at shaw.ca]
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 14:57:07 -0700
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No Permission?

Are you sure you are logging on as administrator and not another user name?<br><br>Try this code to indicate your user name at logon<br>http://www.mvps.org/access/api/api0008.htm<br><br>Generally with a named user login "my documents" folder for user "marty" <br>would look like<br>C:\Documents and Settings\marty\My Documents\Access\<br>or<br>C:\Documents and Settings\All Users<br><br>rather than<br><br>C:\My Documents\Access\<br><br><br><br>unless you have moved it, somehow<br><br>You could have a clobbered user profile which I  am not sure how to correct.<br><br>Try this code to see what is happening<br>Sub mydocfolder()<br>Dim MyAppPath As String<br>Dim wshShell As Object<br>Set wshShell = CreateObject("wscript.shell")<br>MyAppPath = wshShell.SpecialFolders("MyDocuments")<br>Set wshShell = Nothing<br><br>Debug.Print MyAppPath<br>Debug.Print fOSUserName<br>End Sub<br><br>See this article (it takes a second or two for the right frame to load)<br>http://securityadmin.info/faq.asp#ownership<br><br><br> If this is Pro, you need to disable simple file sharing using<br>the Folder Options control panel, and then if you are using an admin<br>account, you can see the security tab.<br><br>Open Windows Explorer and right-click your "My Documents" folder. Then<br>select the Sharing and Security option and click the security tab. You<br>should see Administrators group, SYSTEM, and owner listed with full<br>control, but likely you won't see owner listed and if owner is not part<br>of the Administrators group, then that explains why you can't access the<br>folder.<br><br>Click the advanced button and click the owner tab. If the owner is<br>Administrators, then leave it alone, but if the owner is some long<br>string of numbers, you need to click Administrators and the checkbox<br>that says to apply this to all subfolders. Then click OK. Now the folder<br>belongs to a real account (and if you reinstall again, it won't be an<br>unknown account, it will continue to be Administrators group).<br><br>If owner does not appear in the list of accounts, then add owner and<br>give owner "full control". Make sure that this is applied to all<br>subfolders and files.<br><br>Reboot to normal mode, logon as owner and try to access the folder<br>again.<br><br><br>Gary J. Giever wrote:<br><br>>I have an annoying problem with Access 97 that began when I switched from Windows 98SE to Windows XP Pro.  Now when I try to re-link tables, I get this message from the Linked Table Manager:  "You do not have access to the folder 'C:\My Documents\Access\In Progress\*.mdb'.  See your administrator for access to this folder."  Most of the time it lets me re-link the tables anyway, but sometimes it will not.<br>><br>>This is confusing since I am the administrator and only user of this computer.  I have checked the Security settings under properties for the files and I seem to have permission.  Any ideas?<br>><br>><br>>Gary J. Giever, M.A.<br>>Applications Developer<br>>ACCMHS<br>>3285 122nd Avenue<br>>PO Drawer 130<br>>Allegan, MI  49010<br>><br>><br>><br>>Gary J. Giever, M.A.<br>>Applications Developer<br>>ACCMHS<br>>3285 122nd Avenue<br>>PO Drawer 130<br>>Allegan, MI  49010<br>><br>><br>>_______________________________________________<br>>No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding.<br>>Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com<br>>  <br>><br><br>-- <br>Marty Connelly<br>Victoria, B.C.<br>Canada<br><br><br><br>-- <br>_______________________________________________<br>AccessD mailing list<br>AccessD at databaseadvisors.com<br>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd<br>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com<br>

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From gjgiever at myway.com  Tue Sep 28 05:59:40 2004
From: gjgiever at myway.com (Gary J. Giever)
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 06:59:40 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [AccessD] No Permission?
Message-ID: <20040928105940.6F55D39B5@mprdmxin.myway.com>


That's what I was figuring too.  But Marty Connelly came up with some ideas that I shall explore before I give up.


Gary J. Giever, M.A.
Applications Developer
ACCMHS
3285 122nd Avenue
PO Drawer 130
Allegan, MI  49010


 --- On Mon 09/27, Greg Smith < GregSmith at starband.net > wrote:
From: Greg Smith [mailto: GregSmith at starband.net]
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 14:10:09 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: Re: [AccessD] No Permission?

Gary:<br><br>I've lived with that for years with Access 97.  None of our network guys<br>could figure it out...so I just left it in my "Annoying Access 97 Things"<br>box and learned to live with it.<br><br>Greg Smith<br>gregsmith at starband.net<br><br>> I have an annoying problem with Access 97 that began when I switched<br>> from Windows 98SE to Windows XP Pro.  Now when I try to re-link tables,<br>> I get this message from the Linked Table Manager:  "You do not have<br>> access to the folder 'C:\My Documents\Access\In Progress\*.mdb'.  See<br>> your administrator for access to this folder."  Most of the time it lets<br>> me re-link the tables anyway, but sometimes it will not.<br>><br>> This is confusing since I am the administrator and only user of this<br>> computer.  I have checked the Security settings under properties for the<br>> files and I seem to have permission.  Any ideas?<br>><br>><br>> Gary J. Giever, M.A.<br>> Applications Developer<br>> ACCMHS<br>> 3285 122nd Avenue<br>> PO Drawer 130<br>> Allegan, MI  49010<br>><br>><br>><br>> Gary J. Giever, M.A.<br>> Applications Developer<br>> ACCMHS<br>> 3285 122nd Avenue<br>> PO Drawer 130<br>> Allegan, MI  49010<br>><br>><br>> _______________________________________________<br>> No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding.<br>> Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com<br>> --<br>> _______________________________________________<br>> AccessD mailing list<br>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com<br>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd<br>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com<br><br><br><br>-- <br>_______________________________________________<br>AccessD mailing list<br>AccessD at databaseadvisors.com<br>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd<br>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com<br>

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Sep 28 06:48:49 2004
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 07:48:49 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?
In-Reply-To: <26a96cce04092803136ce6b2a8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <003d01c4a551$1fdfa120$e8dafea9@ColbyM6805>

Mark,

Are you using vb6 or .net?

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen
Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 6:14 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?


Hello Jim,

Actually it was for VB that I really wanted it, but I felt shy about
admitting it on AccessD.

If you do not mind, I would be intersted in seeing it.

I do not mind it being posted on list, I presume most are mildly interested,
but if you prefer, you may send it directly.

Thanks Jim,

Mark Breen
Ireland



On Mon, 27 Sep 2004 12:27:39 -0400, Jim DeMarco
<jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org> wrote:
> I have one for VB but it can easily be modded if you're using <A2K.
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Mark Breen
> Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 11:58 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> Does anyone have a similar class or function for elegantly handling 
> ADO record sets ?
> 
> Or similar in the .Net environment ?
> 
> Mark Breen
> Ireland
> 
> On Mon, 27 Sep 2004 08:45:22 -0700, Charlotte Foust 
> <cfoust at infostatsystems.com> wrote:
> > The difference is that if you use CurrentDb, you don't have to 
> > refresh to see the changes.  DBEngine is faster because it doesn't 
> > refresh automatically.  Redo your test with a refresh after every 
> > change and see how they compare.
> >
> > Charlotte Foust
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Dan Waters [mailto:dwaters at usinternet.com]
> > Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 7:06 AM
> > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?
> >
> > Using CurrentDB everywhere is slower.
> >
> > I use:
> > Set rst = DBEngine(0)(0).OpenRecordset(stg,db.....)
> >
> > I did a test once and determined that using the above line is 
> > exactly 8 times faster than using: Set rst = 
> > CurrentDB.OpenRecordset(stg,db.....)
> >
> > However, you must use CurrentDB for some things, like setting the 
> > current database's properties in VBA.
> >
> > Dan Waters
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby 
> > Heid
> > Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 6:19 AM
> > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?
> >
> > I thought using currentdb everywhere used extra resources and was a 
> > no-no.
> >
> > Bobby
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Erwin 
> > Craps - IT Helps
> > Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 3:57 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?
> >
> > I never do  dbs as DAO.Database
> >
> > I always do
> > Set rstTemp as currentdb.openrecordset (bla bla)
> >
> > Dbs can be replaced by currentdb
> >
> > Erwin
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of ACTEBS
> > Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 9:13 AM
> > To: access group
> > Subject: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?
> >
> > Hi Everyone,
> >
> > Does anyone have any code or such that handles the following 
> > elegantly:
> >
> > Dim dbs as DAO.Database
> > Dim rst as DAO.Recordset
> >
> > Set dbs etc etc
> >
> > Do whatever here
> >
> > dbs.close
> > dbs = nothing etc etc
> >
> > I am tired of having do the above to open database connections and 
> > recordsets in the above manner in every Sub or Function. Surely 
> > there's a more elegant method that someone has come up with here you 
> > just parse the SQL Statement through or something...
> >
> > Any suggestions or links will be greatly appreciated...
> >
> > Regards
> > Vlad
> >
> > --
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > --
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> > --
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> > --
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> >
> > --
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> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> --
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From mark.breen at gmail.com  Tue Sep 28 07:46:58 2004
From: mark.breen at gmail.com (Mark Breen)
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 13:46:58 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?
In-Reply-To: <003d01c4a551$1fdfa120$e8dafea9@ColbyM6805>
References: <26a96cce04092803136ce6b2a8@mail.gmail.com>
	<003d01c4a551$1fdfa120$e8dafea9@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <26a96cce04092805462fa522d1@mail.gmail.com>

Hello John,

I am about to start a .Net project, but I have not written a line of
it yet, other than playing with some exercises in a book I have on it.

It has been my intention, once I start, to read your emails and to
search the archives for other ones you may have written on it.  How
have you gotton on with it?  Are you still working with it?

In relation to the ADO class, I do not mind which ver it is, I was
curious to see what others out there do to handle this issue.  I use
cut and paste and am very careful about tidying up as I go.  It is not
that sophisticated, but it works and it prevents concerns about things
getting confused when By Ref etc come into play.  Also, I wonder about
the over head of passing By Val when it is a big rst being passed.

Nevertheless, I am interested in a efficient way of openning rst and
passing them back without having to do all the work in side each sub
routine.

How is life, how are you enjoying parenthood ?

Mark





On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 07:48:49 -0400, John W. Colby
<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
> Mark,
> 
> Are you using vb6 or .net?
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen
> Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 6:14 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?
> 
> Hello Jim,
> 
> Actually it was for VB that I really wanted it, but I felt shy about
> admitting it on AccessD.
> 
> If you do not mind, I would be intersted in seeing it.
> 
> I do not mind it being posted on list, I presume most are mildly interested,
> but if you prefer, you may send it directly.
> 
> Thanks Jim,
> 
> Mark Breen
> Ireland
> 
> On Mon, 27 Sep 2004 12:27:39 -0400, Jim DeMarco
> <jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org> wrote:
> > I have one for VB but it can easily be modded if you're using <A2K.
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Mark Breen
> > Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 11:58 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?
> >
> > Hello All,
> >
> > Does anyone have a similar class or function for elegantly handling
> > ADO record sets ?
> >
> > Or similar in the .Net environment ?
> >
> > Mark Breen
> > Ireland
> >
> > On Mon, 27 Sep 2004 08:45:22 -0700, Charlotte Foust
> > <cfoust at infostatsystems.com> wrote:
> > > The difference is that if you use CurrentDb, you don't have to
> > > refresh to see the changes.  DBEngine is faster because it doesn't
> > > refresh automatically.  Redo your test with a refresh after every
> > > change and see how they compare.
> > >
> > > Charlotte Foust
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Dan Waters [mailto:dwaters at usinternet.com]
> > > Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 7:06 AM
> > > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?
> > >
> > > Using CurrentDB everywhere is slower.
> > >
> > > I use:
> > > Set rst = DBEngine(0)(0).OpenRecordset(stg,db.....)
> > >
> > > I did a test once and determined that using the above line is
> > > exactly 8 times faster than using: Set rst =
> > > CurrentDB.OpenRecordset(stg,db.....)
> > >
> > > However, you must use CurrentDB for some things, like setting the
> > > current database's properties in VBA.
> > >
> > > Dan Waters
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby
> > > Heid
> > > Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 6:19 AM
> > > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?
> > >
> > > I thought using currentdb everywhere used extra resources and was a
> > > no-no.
> > >
> > > Bobby
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Erwin
> > > Craps - IT Helps
> > > Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 3:57 AM
> > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?
> > >
> > > I never do  dbs as DAO.Database
> > >
> > > I always do
> > > Set rstTemp as currentdb.openrecordset (bla bla)
> > >
> > > Dbs can be replaced by currentdb
> > >
> > > Erwin
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of ACTEBS
> > > Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 9:13 AM
> > > To: access group
> > > Subject: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?
> > >
> > > Hi Everyone,
> > >
> > > Does anyone have any code or such that handles the following
> > > elegantly:
> > >
> > > Dim dbs as DAO.Database
> > > Dim rst as DAO.Recordset
> > >
> > > Set dbs etc etc
> > >
> > > Do whatever here
> > >
> > > dbs.close
> > > dbs = nothing etc etc
> > >
> > > I am tired of having do the above to open database connections and
> > > recordsets in the above manner in every Sub or Function. Surely
> > > there's a more elegant method that someone has come up with here you
> > > just parse the SQL Statement through or something...
> > >
> > > Any suggestions or links will be greatly appreciated...
> > >
> > > Regards
> > > Vlad
> > >
> > > --
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > --
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> > > --
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> > > --
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> > >
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> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
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From actebs at actebs.com.au  Tue Sep 28 08:32:42 2004
From: actebs at actebs.com.au (ACTEBS)
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 23:32:42 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?
Message-ID: <2025BB6F17FCB54791F23CD50558332803851E@starfleet.unknown.local>

Jim,

I would love to get a copy...

Regards
Vlad

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim DeMarco
Sent: Tuesday, 28 September 2004 2:28 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?


I have one for VB but it can easily be modded if you're using <A2K.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Mark Breen
Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 11:58 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?


Hello All,

Does anyone have a similar class or function for elegantly handling ADO
record sets ?

Or similar in the .Net environment ?

Mark Breen
Ireland



On Mon, 27 Sep 2004 08:45:22 -0700, Charlotte Foust
<cfoust at infostatsystems.com> wrote:
> The difference is that if you use CurrentDb, you don't have to refresh

> to see the changes.  DBEngine is faster because it doesn't refresh 
> automatically.  Redo your test with a refresh after every change and 
> see how they compare.
> 
> Charlotte Foust
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dan Waters [mailto:dwaters at usinternet.com]
> Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 7:06 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?
> 
> Using CurrentDB everywhere is slower.
> 
> I use:
> Set rst = DBEngine(0)(0).OpenRecordset(stg,db.....)
> 
> I did a test once and determined that using the above line is exactly 
> 8 times faster than using: Set rst = 
> CurrentDB.OpenRecordset(stg,db.....)
> 
> However, you must use CurrentDB for some things, like setting the 
> current database's properties in VBA.
> 
> Dan Waters
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby Heid
> Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 6:19 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?
> 
> I thought using currentdb everywhere used extra resources and was a 
> no-no.
> 
> Bobby
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Erwin Craps

> - IT Helps
> Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 3:57 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?
> 
> I never do  dbs as DAO.Database
> 
> I always do
> Set rstTemp as currentdb.openrecordset (bla bla)
> 
> Dbs can be replaced by currentdb
> 
> Erwin
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of ACTEBS
> Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 9:13 AM
> To: access group
> Subject: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?
> 
> Hi Everyone,
> 
> Does anyone have any code or such that handles the following 
> elegantly:
> 
> Dim dbs as DAO.Database
> Dim rst as DAO.Recordset
> 
> Set dbs etc etc
> 
> Do whatever here
> 
> dbs.close
> dbs = nothing etc etc
> 
> I am tired of having do the above to open database connections and 
> recordsets in the above manner in every Sub or Function. Surely 
> there's a more elegant method that someone has come up with here you 
> just parse the SQL Statement through or something...
> 
> Any suggestions or links will be greatly appreciated...
> 
> Regards
> Vlad
> 
> --
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From JColby at dispec.com  Tue Sep 28 09:25:42 2004
From: JColby at dispec.com (Colby, John)
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 10:25:42 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?
Message-ID: <05C61C52D7CAD211A7830008C7DF6F1079BDFE@DISABILITYINS01>

Parenthood is a gas.  I never thought I'd care, I was always a dog person.
Fill up the bowl with food and water and leave for the weekend if I wanted.
Now.....

John W. Colby
The DIS Database Guy


-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Breen [mailto:mark.breen at gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 8:47 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?


Hello John,

I am about to start a .Net project, but I have not written a line of
it yet, other than playing with some exercises in a book I have on it.

It has been my intention, once I start, to read your emails and to
search the archives for other ones you may have written on it.  How
have you gotton on with it?  Are you still working with it?

In relation to the ADO class, I do not mind which ver it is, I was
curious to see what others out there do to handle this issue.  I use
cut and paste and am very careful about tidying up as I go.  It is not
that sophisticated, but it works and it prevents concerns about things
getting confused when By Ref etc come into play.  Also, I wonder about
the over head of passing By Val when it is a big rst being passed.

Nevertheless, I am interested in a efficient way of openning rst and
passing them back without having to do all the work in side each sub
routine.

How is life, how are you enjoying parenthood ?

Mark





On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 07:48:49 -0400, John W. Colby
<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
> Mark,
> 
> Are you using vb6 or .net?
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen
> Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 6:14 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?
> 
> Hello Jim,
> 
> Actually it was for VB that I really wanted it, but I felt shy about
> admitting it on AccessD.
> 
> If you do not mind, I would be intersted in seeing it.
> 
> I do not mind it being posted on list, I presume most are mildly
interested,
> but if you prefer, you may send it directly.
> 
> Thanks Jim,
> 
> Mark Breen
> Ireland
> 
> On Mon, 27 Sep 2004 12:27:39 -0400, Jim DeMarco
> <jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org> wrote:
> > I have one for VB but it can easily be modded if you're using <A2K.
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Mark Breen
> > Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 11:58 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?
> >
> > Hello All,
> >
> > Does anyone have a similar class or function for elegantly handling
> > ADO record sets ?
> >
> > Or similar in the .Net environment ?
> >
> > Mark Breen
> > Ireland
> >
> > On Mon, 27 Sep 2004 08:45:22 -0700, Charlotte Foust
> > <cfoust at infostatsystems.com> wrote:
> > > The difference is that if you use CurrentDb, you don't have to
> > > refresh to see the changes.  DBEngine is faster because it doesn't
> > > refresh automatically.  Redo your test with a refresh after every
> > > change and see how they compare.
> > >
> > > Charlotte Foust
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Dan Waters [mailto:dwaters at usinternet.com]
> > > Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 7:06 AM
> > > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?
> > >
> > > Using CurrentDB everywhere is slower.
> > >
> > > I use:
> > > Set rst = DBEngine(0)(0).OpenRecordset(stg,db.....)
> > >
> > > I did a test once and determined that using the above line is
> > > exactly 8 times faster than using: Set rst =
> > > CurrentDB.OpenRecordset(stg,db.....)
> > >
> > > However, you must use CurrentDB for some things, like setting the
> > > current database's properties in VBA.
> > >
> > > Dan Waters
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby
> > > Heid
> > > Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 6:19 AM
> > > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?
> > >
> > > I thought using currentdb everywhere used extra resources and was a
> > > no-no.
> > >
> > > Bobby
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Erwin
> > > Craps - IT Helps
> > > Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 3:57 AM
> > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?
> > >
> > > I never do  dbs as DAO.Database
> > >
> > > I always do
> > > Set rstTemp as currentdb.openrecordset (bla bla)
> > >
> > > Dbs can be replaced by currentdb
> > >
> > > Erwin
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of ACTEBS
> > > Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 9:13 AM
> > > To: access group
> > > Subject: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?
> > >
> > > Hi Everyone,
> > >
> > > Does anyone have any code or such that handles the following
> > > elegantly:
> > >
> > > Dim dbs as DAO.Database
> > > Dim rst as DAO.Recordset
> > >
> > > Set dbs etc etc
> > >
> > > Do whatever here
> > >
> > > dbs.close
> > > dbs = nothing etc etc
> > >
> > > I am tired of having do the above to open database connections and
> > > recordsets in the above manner in every Sub or Function. Surely
> > > there's a more elegant method that someone has come up with here you
> > > just parse the SQL Statement through or something...
> > >
> > > Any suggestions or links will be greatly appreciated...
> > >
> > > Regards
> > > Vlad
> > >
> > > --
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > --
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> > > --
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> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> > > --
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> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
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> > >
> > >
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> > >
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> >
> >
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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Tue Sep 28 09:46:31 2004
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 09:46:31 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?
In-Reply-To: <5412441.1096382688806.JavaMail.root@sniper4.usinternet.com>
Message-ID: <000001c4a569$f216dbf0$de1811d8@danwaters>

DIS - Does that mean Dad Is Satisfied?

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Colby, John
Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 9:26 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?

Parenthood is a gas.  I never thought I'd care, I was always a dog person.
Fill up the bowl with food and water and leave for the weekend if I wanted.
Now.....

John W. Colby
The DIS Database Guy


-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Breen [mailto:mark.breen at gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 8:47 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?


Hello John,

I am about to start a .Net project, but I have not written a line of
it yet, other than playing with some exercises in a book I have on it.

It has been my intention, once I start, to read your emails and to
search the archives for other ones you may have written on it.  How
have you gotton on with it?  Are you still working with it?

In relation to the ADO class, I do not mind which ver it is, I was
curious to see what others out there do to handle this issue.  I use
cut and paste and am very careful about tidying up as I go.  It is not
that sophisticated, but it works and it prevents concerns about things
getting confused when By Ref etc come into play.  Also, I wonder about
the over head of passing By Val when it is a big rst being passed.

Nevertheless, I am interested in a efficient way of openning rst and
passing them back without having to do all the work in side each sub
routine.

How is life, how are you enjoying parenthood ?

Mark





On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 07:48:49 -0400, John W. Colby
<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
> Mark,
> 
> Are you using vb6 or .net?
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen
> Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 6:14 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?
> 
> Hello Jim,
> 
> Actually it was for VB that I really wanted it, but I felt shy about
> admitting it on AccessD.
> 
> If you do not mind, I would be intersted in seeing it.
> 
> I do not mind it being posted on list, I presume most are mildly
interested,
> but if you prefer, you may send it directly.
> 
> Thanks Jim,
> 
> Mark Breen
> Ireland
> 
> On Mon, 27 Sep 2004 12:27:39 -0400, Jim DeMarco
> <jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org> wrote:
> > I have one for VB but it can easily be modded if you're using <A2K.
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Mark Breen
> > Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 11:58 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?
> >
> > Hello All,
> >
> > Does anyone have a similar class or function for elegantly handling
> > ADO record sets ?
> >
> > Or similar in the .Net environment ?
> >
> > Mark Breen
> > Ireland
> >
> > On Mon, 27 Sep 2004 08:45:22 -0700, Charlotte Foust
> > <cfoust at infostatsystems.com> wrote:
> > > The difference is that if you use CurrentDb, you don't have to
> > > refresh to see the changes.  DBEngine is faster because it doesn't
> > > refresh automatically.  Redo your test with a refresh after every
> > > change and see how they compare.
> > >
> > > Charlotte Foust
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Dan Waters [mailto:dwaters at usinternet.com]
> > > Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 7:06 AM
> > > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?
> > >
> > > Using CurrentDB everywhere is slower.
> > >
> > > I use:
> > > Set rst = DBEngine(0)(0).OpenRecordset(stg,db.....)
> > >
> > > I did a test once and determined that using the above line is
> > > exactly 8 times faster than using: Set rst =
> > > CurrentDB.OpenRecordset(stg,db.....)
> > >
> > > However, you must use CurrentDB for some things, like setting the
> > > current database's properties in VBA.
> > >
> > > Dan Waters
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby
> > > Heid
> > > Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 6:19 AM
> > > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?
> > >
> > > I thought using currentdb everywhere used extra resources and was a
> > > no-no.
> > >
> > > Bobby
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Erwin
> > > Craps - IT Helps
> > > Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 3:57 AM
> > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?
> > >
> > > I never do  dbs as DAO.Database
> > >
> > > I always do
> > > Set rstTemp as currentdb.openrecordset (bla bla)
> > >
> > > Dbs can be replaced by currentdb
> > >
> > > Erwin
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of ACTEBS
> > > Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 9:13 AM
> > > To: access group
> > > Subject: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?
> > >
> > > Hi Everyone,
> > >
> > > Does anyone have any code or such that handles the following
> > > elegantly:
> > >
> > > Dim dbs as DAO.Database
> > > Dim rst as DAO.Recordset
> > >
> > > Set dbs etc etc
> > >
> > > Do whatever here
> > >
> > > dbs.close
> > > dbs = nothing etc etc
> > >
> > > I am tired of having do the above to open database connections and
> > > recordsets in the above manner in every Sub or Function. Surely
> > > there's a more elegant method that someone has come up with here you
> > > just parse the SQL Statement through or something...
> > >
> > > Any suggestions or links will be greatly appreciated...
> > >
> > > Regards
> > > Vlad
> > >
> > > --
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > --
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> > > --
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> > > --
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> > --
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> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
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> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> >
> > **********************************************************************
> > *************
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> recipient, and may contain information from Hudson Health Plan (HHP) that
is
> confidential or privileged.  If you are not the intended recipient, you
are
> hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the
> contents of this message is strictly prohibited.  If you have received
this
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> immediately, either by contacting the sender at the electronic mail
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> noted above or calling HHP at (914) 631-1611. If you are not the intended
> recipient, please do not forward this email to anyone, and delete and
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> >
>
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> >
> >
> >
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From JColby at dispec.com  Tue Sep 28 10:08:09 2004
From: JColby at dispec.com (Colby, John)
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 11:08:09 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?
Message-ID: <05C61C52D7CAD211A7830008C7DF6F1079BDFF@DISABILITYINS01>

You'd be good at the acronym game!  ;-)

Disability Insurance Specialist.  That's my sig for my user at that client
(where I am currently working).  I put that in when I first got here so that
the employees would know who I was when they got an email from me.

John W. Colby
The DIS Database Guy


-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Waters [mailto:dwaters at usinternet.com]
Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 10:47 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?


DIS - Does that mean Dad Is Satisfied?

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Colby, John
Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 9:26 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?

Parenthood is a gas.  I never thought I'd care, I was always a dog person.
Fill up the bowl with food and water and leave for the weekend if I wanted.
Now.....

John W. Colby
The DIS Database Guy


-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Breen [mailto:mark.breen at gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 8:47 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?


Hello John,

I am about to start a .Net project, but I have not written a line of
it yet, other than playing with some exercises in a book I have on it.

It has been my intention, once I start, to read your emails and to
search the archives for other ones you may have written on it.  How
have you gotton on with it?  Are you still working with it?

In relation to the ADO class, I do not mind which ver it is, I was
curious to see what others out there do to handle this issue.  I use
cut and paste and am very careful about tidying up as I go.  It is not
that sophisticated, but it works and it prevents concerns about things
getting confused when By Ref etc come into play.  Also, I wonder about
the over head of passing By Val when it is a big rst being passed.

Nevertheless, I am interested in a efficient way of openning rst and
passing them back without having to do all the work in side each sub
routine.

How is life, how are you enjoying parenthood ?

Mark





On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 07:48:49 -0400, John W. Colby
<jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
> Mark,
> 
> Are you using vb6 or .net?
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen
> Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 6:14 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?
> 
> Hello Jim,
> 
> Actually it was for VB that I really wanted it, but I felt shy about
> admitting it on AccessD.
> 
> If you do not mind, I would be intersted in seeing it.
> 
> I do not mind it being posted on list, I presume most are mildly
interested,
> but if you prefer, you may send it directly.
> 
> Thanks Jim,
> 
> Mark Breen
> Ireland
> 
> On Mon, 27 Sep 2004 12:27:39 -0400, Jim DeMarco
> <jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org> wrote:
> > I have one for VB but it can easily be modded if you're using <A2K.
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Mark Breen
> > Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 11:58 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?
> >
> > Hello All,
> >
> > Does anyone have a similar class or function for elegantly handling
> > ADO record sets ?
> >
> > Or similar in the .Net environment ?
> >
> > Mark Breen
> > Ireland
> >
> > On Mon, 27 Sep 2004 08:45:22 -0700, Charlotte Foust
> > <cfoust at infostatsystems.com> wrote:
> > > The difference is that if you use CurrentDb, you don't have to
> > > refresh to see the changes.  DBEngine is faster because it doesn't
> > > refresh automatically.  Redo your test with a refresh after every
> > > change and see how they compare.
> > >
> > > Charlotte Foust
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Dan Waters [mailto:dwaters at usinternet.com]
> > > Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 7:06 AM
> > > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?
> > >
> > > Using CurrentDB everywhere is slower.
> > >
> > > I use:
> > > Set rst = DBEngine(0)(0).OpenRecordset(stg,db.....)
> > >
> > > I did a test once and determined that using the above line is
> > > exactly 8 times faster than using: Set rst =
> > > CurrentDB.OpenRecordset(stg,db.....)
> > >
> > > However, you must use CurrentDB for some things, like setting the
> > > current database's properties in VBA.
> > >
> > > Dan Waters
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby
> > > Heid
> > > Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 6:19 AM
> > > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?
> > >
> > > I thought using currentdb everywhere used extra resources and was a
> > > no-no.
> > >
> > > Bobby
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Erwin
> > > Craps - IT Helps
> > > Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 3:57 AM
> > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?
> > >
> > > I never do  dbs as DAO.Database
> > >
> > > I always do
> > > Set rstTemp as currentdb.openrecordset (bla bla)
> > >
> > > Dbs can be replaced by currentdb
> > >
> > > Erwin
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of ACTEBS
> > > Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 9:13 AM
> > > To: access group
> > > Subject: [AccessD] Elegant Solution?
> > >
> > > Hi Everyone,
> > >
> > > Does anyone have any code or such that handles the following
> > > elegantly:
> > >
> > > Dim dbs as DAO.Database
> > > Dim rst as DAO.Recordset
> > >
> > > Set dbs etc etc
> > >
> > > Do whatever here
> > >
> > > dbs.close
> > > dbs = nothing etc etc
> > >
> > > I am tired of having do the above to open database connections and
> > > recordsets in the above manner in every Sub or Function. Surely
> > > there's a more elegant method that someone has come up with here you
> > > just parse the SQL Statement through or something...
> > >
> > > Any suggestions or links will be greatly appreciated...
> > >
> > > Regards
> > > Vlad
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From Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com  Tue Sep 28 10:16:26 2004
From: Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com (Hale, Jim)
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 10:16:26 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] ADPs  in the future
Message-ID: <6A6AA9DF57E4F046BDA1E273BDDB677217FF63@corp-es01.fleetpride.com>

<small business still has the need for custom
database apps that don't require SQL Server.>

Amen. Furthermore, without a strong developer community how does Microsoft
expect power users to master Access? It is a copout for them to take the
attitude that the future of Access is to be just a power users tool.
Jim Hale

-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 10:43 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] ADPs in the future


All I know is that the State of California and the Federal government
are still using Access desktop databases for stuff the programmers don't
have time to create and small business still has the need for custom
database apps that don't require SQL Server. ;-/


Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Ken Ismert [mailto:KIsmert at TexasSystems.com] 
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 10:02 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] ADPs in the future



Dan,

Unless the next version of Access is a completely .NET centric product,
Windows forms on top, VB.NET or C# underneath, and is fully web enabled
(in other words the complete rewrite Mary Chipman said they weren't
going to do), it will have nothing of interest in it for me.

A simple test: if the next version of Access doesn't natively support
Microsoft's flagship database, SQL Server 2005, it has been abandoned.

I would like to hear more responses regarding the current prospects of
Access consulting. Nearly everyone I know locally is either having a
tough time getting Access work, or is moving away from Access towards
more profitable work. A consensus from this group that there is a
burgeoning Access job market in the near future would do more than
anything else to dispel my pessimism.

And yes, the bright side of the story is that the fundamentals we learn
here are applicable to any new data environment we may encounter.

-Ken

-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Waters [mailto:dwaters at usinternet.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 3:35 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] ADPs in the future


Ken,

Let's not sink the ship just yet.  A new version of Access (12) will
soon begin to be discussed.  Let's see what it is first.

OTOH, the skills that I know I've developed will let learn whatever I
need to learn to make my future work!

Dan Waters

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue Sep 28 10:34:02 2004
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 08:34:02 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Access/SQL Dates
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312A7E@infoserver01.infostat.local>

SQL Server uses single quotes around date values.

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Heenan, Lambert [mailto:Lambert.Heenan at aig.com] 
Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 8:19 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; 'Nicholson,
Karen'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access/SQL Dates


Very probably I am wrong as I've not yet had the joy of dealing with SQL
server, but is it not the case that the date delimiting character in SQL
Server is the percentage symbol (%) not pound or hash (#)?

Lambert

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [SMTP:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Nicholson,
Karen
> Sent:	Monday, September 27, 2004 8:19 AM
> To:	Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject:	RE: [AccessD] Access/SQL Dates
> 
> Interesting.  The SQL backend structure can not be changed as it is 
> proprietary.  Yikes.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mike & 
> Doris Manning
> Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 7:27 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access/SQL Dates
> 
> 
> I ran into this problem when I used smalldatetime in the table as the 
> data type instead of datetime.  To be honest, I was in a hurry and 
> didn't have
> time to figure out why it was happening.  I just changed from
> smalldatetime
> to datetime and the problem went away.  I've never used smalldatetime
> since
> then.
> 
> Doris Manning
> Database Administrator
> Hargrove Inc.
> www.hargroveinc.com
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Nicholson, 
> Karen
> Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 6:33 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Access/SQL Dates
> 
> 
> I have an Access front-end and am querying an SQL backend.  When 
> putting in a select statement in the query, all is fine if I specify a

> date of say, less than today or <date()... However, if I try to 
> specify a particular date, I get an sql overflow error.  The syntaxes 
> I have tried
> include: <#9/27/2004#  <'9/27/2004' <'20040927'.  Any clues?  Thanks.
> 
> Karen Nicholson
> National Laboratory
> Xerox Global Services
> 
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From ajallen at mail.wvu.edu  Tue Sep 28 11:07:42 2004
From: ajallen at mail.wvu.edu (Amanda Rittenhouse)
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 12:07:42 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Splitting Information from One field into Two
Message-ID: <s1595416.058@WVUGW01.wvu.edu>

I can't find my sample code where I update two fields by splitting one.  I have a field NAME which contains: 
last name      comma     first name        Example:  Smith, John
I want to create two fields:  LastName     FirstName
I want to populate the two fields with the data from NAME.  Before the comma is the last name and after the comma is the first name.  I've seen the update code to do it but can not locate it now.  Please help.

* Amanda



From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue Sep 28 11:17:22 2004
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 09:17:22 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] ADPs  in the future
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312A7F@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Why, Jim!  All they have to do is buy a library of MS Press books and
follow all the instructions! <evilgrin>

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Hale, Jim [mailto:Jim.Hale at fleetpride.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 8:16 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] ADPs in the future


<small business still has the need for custom
database apps that don't require SQL Server.>

Amen. Furthermore, without a strong developer community how does
Microsoft expect power users to master Access? It is a copout for them
to take the attitude that the future of Access is to be just a power
users tool. Jim Hale

-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 10:43 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] ADPs in the future


All I know is that the State of California and the Federal government
are still using Access desktop databases for stuff the programmers don't
have time to create and small business still has the need for custom
database apps that don't require SQL Server. ;-/


Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Ken Ismert [mailto:KIsmert at TexasSystems.com] 
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 10:02 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] ADPs in the future



Dan,

Unless the next version of Access is a completely .NET centric product,
Windows forms on top, VB.NET or C# underneath, and is fully web enabled
(in other words the complete rewrite Mary Chipman said they weren't
going to do), it will have nothing of interest in it for me.

A simple test: if the next version of Access doesn't natively support
Microsoft's flagship database, SQL Server 2005, it has been abandoned.

I would like to hear more responses regarding the current prospects of
Access consulting. Nearly everyone I know locally is either having a
tough time getting Access work, or is moving away from Access towards
more profitable work. A consensus from this group that there is a
burgeoning Access job market in the near future would do more than
anything else to dispel my pessimism.

And yes, the bright side of the story is that the fundamentals we learn
here are applicable to any new data environment we may encounter.

-Ken

-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Waters [mailto:dwaters at usinternet.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 3:35 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] ADPs in the future


Ken,

Let's not sink the ship just yet.  A new version of Access (12) will
soon begin to be discussed.  Let's see what it is first.

OTOH, the skills that I know I've developed will let learn whatever I
need to learn to make my future work!

Dan Waters

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From KIsmert at TexasSystems.com  Tue Sep 28 11:27:53 2004
From: KIsmert at TexasSystems.com (Ken Ismert)
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 11:27:53 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] No MsgBox allowed
In-Reply-To: <05C61C52D7CAD211A7830008C7DF6F1079BDFA@DISABILITYINS01>
Message-ID: <00c301c4a578$1afc56e0$2a3ca8c0@TEXASSYSTEMS.COM>


John,

I faced a similar problem when setting up a datamart application which runs
nightly on the server. I needed error logging and notification when a
sub-process failed, but the rest of the processes needed to run, if
possible.

My response was to develop an error logging system with plug-ins to support
the various destinations of the logged messages. All the plug-ins support a
common interface, IErrorLog, which defines the common properties and methods
each must support.

So far, I have written plug-ins that will log errors to tables using ADO and
DAO, email via CDONTS and MAPI, text files, the console (immediate window)
and yes, the message box.

What plug-ins get used is defined by an .ini configuration file. For
production, errors are routed to tables, CDONTS email and text. For
development, another .ini file is used which routes errors to the console
and message box.

What the loggers do is defined in part by template text files. For the table
loggers, these contain SQL statements. For the email, text and console
loggers, these have boilerplate text. All template files contain tokens,
like <ErrNumber> and <ErrDescription>, which are replaced by the matching
information when the error is logged.

This is all managed by a global error handling object, which keeps an
internal record of all errors encountered during execution, and logs errors
with all the currently active loggers. It allows the error generating
routine to save the current error, or raise it. Calling routines can examine
the error results of a call, and skip dependant calls which follow, go on to
the next process, or raise the previous error.

-Ken


-----Original Message-----
From: Colby, John [mailto:JColby at dispec.com]
Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 1:46 PM
To: 'AccessD at DatabaseAdvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] No MsgBox allowed


I am doing a rewrite on an app that runs unattended and emails (or FTPs)
files out to a client.  This app absolutely must run, or at least if it
fails it has to NOT pop up a message box and halt the process.

<snip>

Aside from the obvious "Access is not the optimum environment to write such
an app", has anyone done stuff like this (in Access) and do you have any
thoughts on the issues above or any others I haven't raised?

<snip>

John W. Colby
The DIS Database Guy





From rbgajewski at adelphia.net  Tue Sep 28 11:24:57 2004
From: rbgajewski at adelphia.net (Bob Gajewski)
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 12:24:57 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Splitting Information from One field into Two
In-Reply-To: <s1595416.058@WVUGW01.wvu.edu>
Message-ID: <LHEEKEKNLFONONKPIOCJCEIPGKAA.rbgajewski@adelphia.net>

Amanda

Use the InStr function to locate the comma (or comma and following space)
and then use the Left/Mid/Right functions to extract the portions on either
side of the comma.

Regards,
Bob Gajewski

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Amanda
Rittenhouse
Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 12:08
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Splitting Information from One field into Two


I can't find my sample code where I update two fields by splitting one.  I
have a field NAME which contains:
last name      comma     first name        Example:  Smith, John
I want to create two fields:  LastName     FirstName
I want to populate the two fields with the data from NAME.  Before the comma
is the last name and after the comma is the first name.  I've seen the
update code to do it but can not locate it now.  Please help.

* Amanda

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From JHewson at karta.com  Tue Sep 28 11:35:18 2004
From: JHewson at karta.com (Jim Hewson)
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 11:35:18 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Splitting Information from One field into Two
Message-ID: <9C382E065F54AE48BC3AA7925DCBB01C0103E35C@karta-exc-int.Karta.com>

Amanda
Where Name is the field for the full name.
I used a Make Table query.

Try this:

SELECT tblFullName.Name, Left([Name],InStr([Name],",")-1) AS LastName, Right([Name],Len([Name])-(InStr([Name],",")+1)) AS FirstName INTO tblSplitName
FROM tblFullName;

HTH
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Amanda
Rittenhouse
Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 11:08 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Splitting Information from One field into Two


I can't find my sample code where I update two fields by splitting one.  I have a field NAME which contains: 
last name      comma     first name        Example:  Smith, John
I want to create two fields:  LastName     FirstName
I want to populate the two fields with the data from NAME.  Before the comma is the last name and after the comma is the first name.  I've seen the update code to do it but can not locate it now.  Please help.

* Amanda

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From JColby at dispec.com  Tue Sep 28 11:59:51 2004
From: JColby at dispec.com (Colby, John)
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 12:59:51 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] No MsgBox allowed
Message-ID: <05C61C52D7CAD211A7830008C7DF6F1079BE00@DISABILITYINS01>

WOW.

I am developing an error class for my framework.  I may expand it as the
needs arise, but atm it logs to a text file in the same location as the app,
and sends email to an address list in my sysvars table.  I waffled on
logging to a table.  For this app it probably isn't needed but for a general
app where the error logs would end up on a user's desktop machine, logging
to table is probably a better answer.  I already have a logger class that
can log to a table or a file so I could just modify the call to the logger
to send it to a table.  I liked the text file because it is already in a
form that can be attached to email.

The class can be "programmed" to send email automatically (any error), and
optionally attach the error log to the email, or any individual error
handler can cause an email (with subject and message) and optionally send
the log file.  Having the individual error messages send / attach is
obviously tedious so in general I'm guessing that I will have the app just
email / send log on any error.

I definitely need to get other methods of mail.  ATM all my clients use
outlook so I just use that but I am going to run into someone who detests
Outlook and I'll be forced to look elsewhere.

John W. Colby
The DIS Database Guy


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From: Ken Ismert [mailto:KIsmert at TexasSystems.com]
Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 12:28 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] No MsgBox allowed



John,

I faced a similar problem when setting up a datamart application which runs
nightly on the server. I needed error logging and notification when a
sub-process failed, but the rest of the processes needed to run, if
possible.

My response was to develop an error logging system with plug-ins to support
the various destinations of the logged messages. All the plug-ins support a
common interface, IErrorLog, which defines the common properties and methods
each must support.

So far, I have written plug-ins that will log errors to tables using ADO and
DAO, email via CDONTS and MAPI, text files, the console (immediate window)
and yes, the message box.

What plug-ins get used is defined by an .ini configuration file. For
production, errors are routed to tables, CDONTS email and text. For
development, another .ini file is used which routes errors to the console
and message box.

What the loggers do is defined in part by template text files. For the table
loggers, these contain SQL statements. For the email, text and console
loggers, these have boilerplate text. All template files contain tokens,
like <ErrNumber> and <ErrDescription>, which are replaced by the matching
information when the error is logged.

This is all managed by a global error handling object, which keeps an
internal record of all errors encountered during execution, and logs errors
with all the currently active loggers. It allows the error generating
routine to save the current error, or raise it. Calling routines can examine
the error results of a call, and skip dependant calls which follow, go on to
the next process, or raise the previous error.

-Ken


-----Original Message-----
From: Colby, John [mailto:JColby at dispec.com]
Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 1:46 PM
To: 'AccessD at DatabaseAdvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] No MsgBox allowed


I am doing a rewrite on an app that runs unattended and emails (or FTPs)
files out to a client.  This app absolutely must run, or at least if it
fails it has to NOT pop up a message box and halt the process.

<snip>

Aside from the obvious "Access is not the optimum environment to write such
an app", has anyone done stuff like this (in Access) and do you have any
thoughts on the issues above or any others I haven't raised?

<snip>

John W. Colby
The DIS Database Guy



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From cyx5 at cdc.gov  Tue Sep 28 13:58:50 2004
From: cyx5 at cdc.gov (Nicholson, Karen)
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 14:58:50 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access/SQL Dates
Message-ID: <A5B5AA20555F594BA7B6BD2048E49E43840739@m-niosh-5.niosh.cdc.gov>

Not this puppy!  The ODBC driver is from some company called
pervasive.com.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 11:34 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access/SQL Dates


SQL Server uses single quotes around date values.

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Heenan, Lambert [mailto:Lambert.Heenan at aig.com] 
Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 8:19 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; 'Nicholson,
Karen'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access/SQL Dates


Very probably I am wrong as I've not yet had the joy of dealing with SQL
server, but is it not the case that the date delimiting character in SQL
Server is the percentage symbol (%) not pound or hash (#)?

Lambert

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [SMTP:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Nicholson,
Karen
> Sent:	Monday, September 27, 2004 8:19 AM
> To:	Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject:	RE: [AccessD] Access/SQL Dates
> 
> Interesting.  The SQL backend structure can not be changed as it is 
> proprietary.  Yikes.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mike & 
> Doris Manning
> Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 7:27 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access/SQL Dates
> 
> 
> I ran into this problem when I used smalldatetime in the table as the 
> data type instead of datetime.  To be honest, I was in a hurry and 
> didn't have
> time to figure out why it was happening.  I just changed from
> smalldatetime
> to datetime and the problem went away.  I've never used smalldatetime
> since
> then.
> 
> Doris Manning
> Database Administrator
> Hargrove Inc.
> www.hargroveinc.com
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Nicholson, 
> Karen
> Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 6:33 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Access/SQL Dates
> 
> 
> I have an Access front-end and am querying an SQL backend.  When 
> putting in a select statement in the query, all is fine if I specify a

> date of say, less than today or <date()... However, if I try to 
> specify a particular date, I get an sql overflow error.  The syntaxes 
> I have tried
> include: <#9/27/2004#  <'9/27/2004' <'20040927'.  Any clues?  Thanks.
> 
> Karen Nicholson
> National Laboratory
> Xerox Global Services
> 
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From serbach at new.rr.com  Tue Sep 28 14:49:36 2004
From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach)
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 14:49:36 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Exact match in query
Message-ID: <20040928144936.1554955827.serbach@new.rr.com>

Dear Group,

I've scanned through Access help on this and I'm coming up short. I have a query like the following:

INSERT INTO Daily 
  ( [Date], 
  [Source Number], 
  [Facility Part #], 
  [Used before disposal], 
  [Unit used], 
  ProductID )
SELECT 
  DailyFID3.Date, 
  DailyFID3.[Source Number], 
  DailyFID3.[Facility Part #], 
  DailyFID3.[Used before disposal], 
  DailyFID3.[Unit used], 
  Product.ProductID
FROM DailyFID3 
INNER JOIN 
  Product ON DailyFID3.[Facility Part #] = Product.[Facility Part Number];

The query inserts records from the DailyFID3 table into the Daily table. This is an upgrade from a Paradox for Windows application and I'm consolidating and normalizing the data.

There are several records in the DailyFID3 table that have a [Facility Part #] of 8605guz. The problem comes here: the Product table has entries for both 8605guz and 8605GUZ. So for every record in DailyFID3 with a part number of 8605guz, Access appends TWO records into the Daily table, each record having a different ProductID.

Paradox had no trouble matching the exact capitalization of the [Facility Part #]. Access seems to ignore capitalization; thus I'm getting more records appended than exist in the original table.

My question is: how do I get an Access query to pay attention to capitalization?

Regards,

Steve Erbach
Neenah, WI

"We cannot make a man worth a gven amount by making it illegal for anyone to offer him less." - Henry Hazlitt




From mikedorism at adelphia.net  Tue Sep 28 15:47:03 2004
From: mikedorism at adelphia.net (Mike & Doris Manning)
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 16:47:03 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Exact match in query
In-Reply-To: <20040928144936.1554955827.serbach@new.rr.com>
Message-ID: <000001c4a59c$50433700$060aa845@hargrove.internal>

Try using Ucase(DailyFID3.[Facility Part #]) = Ucase(Product.[Facility Part
Number]) -- it will force all the alpha characters to upper case.

Doris Manning
Database Administrator
Hargrove Inc.
www.hargroveinc.com


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steven W. Erbach
Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 3:50 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Exact match in query


Dear Group,

I've scanned through Access help on this and I'm coming up short. I have a
query like the following:

INSERT INTO Daily 
  ( [Date], 
  [Source Number], 
  [Facility Part #], 
  [Used before disposal], 
  [Unit used], 
  ProductID )
SELECT 
  DailyFID3.Date, 
  DailyFID3.[Source Number], 
  DailyFID3.[Facility Part #], 
  DailyFID3.[Used before disposal], 
  DailyFID3.[Unit used], 
  Product.ProductID
FROM DailyFID3 
INNER JOIN 
  Product ON DailyFID3.[Facility Part #] = Product.[Facility Part Number];

The query inserts records from the DailyFID3 table into the Daily table.
This is an upgrade from a Paradox for Windows application and I'm
consolidating and normalizing the data.

There are several records in the DailyFID3 table that have a [Facility Part
#] of 8605guz. The problem comes here: the Product table has entries for
both 8605guz and 8605GUZ. So for every record in DailyFID3 with a part
number of 8605guz, Access appends TWO records into the Daily table, each
record having a different ProductID.

Paradox had no trouble matching the exact capitalization of the [Facility
Part #]. Access seems to ignore capitalization; thus I'm getting more
records appended than exist in the original table.

My question is: how do I get an Access query to pay attention to
capitalization?

Regards,

Steve Erbach
Neenah, WI

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offer him less." - Henry Hazlitt


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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue Sep 28 15:56:07 2004
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 13:56:07 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Exact match in query
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86651994@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Access is not case sensitive by default and the query engine isn't at
all, although you can force binary comparisons using InStr with the 0
option to force a binary compare. 

Are the two productIDs actually for different products?  If so, you
might want to find one of the values and replace all those with a new
ProductID that won't confuse the issue as well.

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Steven W. Erbach [mailto:serbach at new.rr.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 12:50 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Exact match in query


Dear Group,

I've scanned through Access help on this and I'm coming up short. I have
a query like the following:

INSERT INTO Daily 
  ( [Date], 
  [Source Number], 
  [Facility Part #], 
  [Used before disposal], 
  [Unit used], 
  ProductID )
SELECT 
  DailyFID3.Date, 
  DailyFID3.[Source Number], 
  DailyFID3.[Facility Part #], 
  DailyFID3.[Used before disposal], 
  DailyFID3.[Unit used], 
  Product.ProductID
FROM DailyFID3 
INNER JOIN 
  Product ON DailyFID3.[Facility Part #] = Product.[Facility Part
Number];

The query inserts records from the DailyFID3 table into the Daily table.
This is an upgrade from a Paradox for Windows application and I'm
consolidating and normalizing the data.

There are several records in the DailyFID3 table that have a [Facility
Part #] of 8605guz. The problem comes here: the Product table has
entries for both 8605guz and 8605GUZ. So for every record in DailyFID3
with a part number of 8605guz, Access appends TWO records into the Daily
table, each record having a different ProductID.

Paradox had no trouble matching the exact capitalization of the
[Facility Part #]. Access seems to ignore capitalization; thus I'm
getting more records appended than exist in the original table.

My question is: how do I get an Access query to pay attention to
capitalization?

Regards,

Steve Erbach
Neenah, WI

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anyone to offer him less." - Henry Hazlitt


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From shait at mindspring.com  Tue Sep 28 16:11:37 2004
From: shait at mindspring.com (Stephen Hait)
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 17:11:37 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Exact match in query
In-Reply-To: <20040928144936.1554955827.serbach@new.rr.com>
Message-ID: <41599B49.26315.1958AE1C@localhost>


> My question is: how do I get an Access query to pay attention to
> capitalization?

Access queries are case insensitive. You may be able to use  
the strComp function, though.

Stephen



From serbach at new.rr.com  Tue Sep 28 16:22:26 2004
From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach)
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 16:22:26 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Exact match in query
In-Reply-To: <000001c4a59c$50433700$060aa845@hargrove.internal>
References: <20040928144936.1554955827.serbach@new.rr.com>
	<000001c4a59c$50433700$060aa845@hargrove.internal>
Message-ID: <20040928162226.812392248.serbach@new.rr.com>

Doris,

>> Try using Ucase(DailyFID3.[Facility Part #]) = Ucase(Product.[Facility Part
Number]) -- it will force all the alpha characters to upper case. <<

Won't this still add two records? Because both occurences of the [Facility Part Number] will be upper case now and there are still two different product numbers?

Steve Erbach




From serbach at new.rr.com  Tue Sep 28 16:24:43 2004
From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach)
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 16:24:43 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Exact match in query
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86651994@infoserver01.infostat.local>
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86651994@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <20040928162443.439057683.serbach@new.rr.com>

Charlotte,

>> Access is not case sensitive by default and the query engine isn't at
all, although you can force binary comparisons using InStr with the 0
option to force a binary compare. <<

Ah! That sounds like the ticket.

>> Are the two productIDs actually for different products? ?If so, you
might want to find one of the values and replace all those with a new
ProductID that won't confuse the issue as well. <<

The customer has to do some inspection of his data before this program is put into production. Yes, the two product IDs represent identical products, just entered sloppily. However, each occurence of the product has different attributes. Only the customer can confirm which is the right one.

Thanks, Charlotte.

Steve Erbach




From paul.hartland at fsmail.net  Tue Sep 28 05:32:07 2004
From: paul.hartland at fsmail.net (paul.hartland at fsmail.net)
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 12:32:07 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [AccessD] Common Dialog in Access 97
Message-ID: <16860256.1096367527513.JavaMail.www@wwinf3002>

To all,
I have developed an application in Office XP which uses the Microsoft common dialog control.  I converted the application to Access 97, using the convert wizard and when installed on an Access 97 machine the common dialog section does not work, and it's not available in the ActiveX controls, anyone any idea's on how I can get this in Access 97
Paul Hartland

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From GregWSmith at starband.net  Tue Sep 28 09:37:32 2004
From: GregWSmith at starband.net (GregWSmith at starband.net)
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 10:37:32 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Test-Do not archive
In-Reply-To: <2694.216.43.21.235.1096318200.squirrel@medusa.email.starband.net>
References: <2694.216.43.21.235.1096318200.squirrel@medusa.email.starband.net>
Message-ID: <1671.216.43.21.235.1096382252.squirrel@medusa.email.starband.net>

Sent at 0938 CDT 09-28-04.

> Test only.
>
> Greg





From pjones at btl.net  Tue Sep 28 17:39:14 2004
From: pjones at btl.net (Paul M. Jones)
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 16:39:14 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] File DSN vs. System DSN
In-Reply-To: <20040928162443.439057683.serbach@new.rr.com>
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86651994@infoserver01.infostat.local>
	<20040928162443.439057683.serbach@new.rr.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20040928163625.022957e8@pop.btl.net>


I am connecting an MS Access 2000 front end to SQL Server 2000.  I have 
found that it's easier to deploy applications using a File DSN instead of a 
System DSN.  Anyone knows if there's a performance hit or other factors 
associated with File DSN instead of System DSN?

Paul M. Jones
Spire Services Ltd.





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From jmhla at earthlink.net  Tue Sep 28 23:09:41 2004
From: jmhla at earthlink.net (Joe Hecht)
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 21:09:41 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] ADPs  in the future
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312A7F@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <200409290409.i8T49Zf05625@databaseadvisors.com>

Be Nice You

Joe Hecht
jmhla at earthlink.net
28g
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 9:17 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] ADPs in the future

Why, Jim!  All they have to do is buy a library of MS Press books and
follow all the instructions! <evilgrin>

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Hale, Jim [mailto:Jim.Hale at fleetpride.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 8:16 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] ADPs in the future


<small business still has the need for custom
database apps that don't require SQL Server.>

Amen. Furthermore, without a strong developer community how does
Microsoft expect power users to master Access? It is a copout for them
to take the attitude that the future of Access is to be just a power
users tool. Jim Hale

-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 10:43 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] ADPs in the future


All I know is that the State of California and the Federal government
are still using Access desktop databases for stuff the programmers don't
have time to create and small business still has the need for custom
database apps that don't require SQL Server. ;-/


Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Ken Ismert [mailto:KIsmert at TexasSystems.com] 
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 10:02 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] ADPs in the future



Dan,

Unless the next version of Access is a completely .NET centric product,
Windows forms on top, VB.NET or C# underneath, and is fully web enabled
(in other words the complete rewrite Mary Chipman said they weren't
going to do), it will have nothing of interest in it for me.

A simple test: if the next version of Access doesn't natively support
Microsoft's flagship database, SQL Server 2005, it has been abandoned.

I would like to hear more responses regarding the current prospects of
Access consulting. Nearly everyone I know locally is either having a
tough time getting Access work, or is moving away from Access towards
more profitable work. A consensus from this group that there is a
burgeoning Access job market in the near future would do more than
anything else to dispel my pessimism.

And yes, the bright side of the story is that the fundamentals we learn
here are applicable to any new data environment we may encounter.

-Ken

-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Waters [mailto:dwaters at usinternet.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 3:35 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] ADPs in the future


Ken,

Let's not sink the ship just yet.  A new version of Access (12) will
soon begin to be discussed.  Let's see what it is first.

OTOH, the skills that I know I've developed will let learn whatever I
need to learn to make my future work!

Dan Waters

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From michael at ddisolutions.com.au  Wed Sep 29 00:05:22 2004
From: michael at ddisolutions.com.au (Michael Maddison)
Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 15:05:22 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Common Dialog in Access 97
Message-ID: <59A61174B1F5B54B97FD4ADDE71E7D01011BE1@ddi-01.DDI.local>

Don't use the control :-)
Use the API's instead.  You can find source code all over the WWW.
Google   VB common dialog code

cheers

Michael M

To all,
I have developed an application in Office XP which uses the Microsoft
common dialog control.  I converted the application to Access 97, using
the convert wizard and when installed on an Access 97 machine the common
dialog section does not work, and it's not available in the ActiveX
controls, anyone any idea's on how I can get this in Access 97 Paul
Hartland

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From Paul.Rogers at SummitMedia.co.uk  Wed Sep 29 04:36:10 2004
From: Paul.Rogers at SummitMedia.co.uk (Paul Rodgers)
Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 10:36:10 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Access form producing a Word document
Message-ID: <EAF3070ACB1AD81182280002A51EF73119227A@s003.wolds.summitmedia.co.uk>

Can an Access form be coded to print a single Word document in which the
text is almost always the same, but for about three fields, please? 

For example, a command button to produce (for the employee whose form it is)
birthday cheers, or a wedding congratulations, or to be fired. 

Cheers 
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Sep 29 05:01:39 2004
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 12:01:39 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Common Dialog in Access 97
In-Reply-To: <16860256.1096367527513.JavaMail.www@wwinf3002>
References: <16860256.1096367527513.JavaMail.www@wwinf3002>
Message-ID: <5710827579.20040929120139@cactus.dk>

Hi Paul

You need to have exactly the same version of the ocx on the machine.
If it is not used for anything else on that machine, you can copy your
version. You may need to register it though.

If this is not a one-shot install, rewrite your code to use the API.

/gustav


> To all,
> I have developed an application in Office XP which uses the Microsoft common dialog control.  I converted the application to Access 97, using the convert wizard and when installed on an Access 97
> machine the common dialog section does not work, and it's not available in the ActiveX controls, anyone any idea's on how I can get this in Access 97
> Paul Hartland



From joconnell at indy.rr.com  Wed Sep 29 09:30:35 2004
From: joconnell at indy.rr.com (Joseph O'Connell)
Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 09:30:35 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access form producing a Word document
Message-ID: <01a301c4a630$e3c9a2e0$6701a8c0@joe>

Paul,

Create a Word document and instead of typing the text that can change,
insert a bookmark using names that are meaningful to you.  Save the
document.

Create a form with 3 text boxes and a command button.  The user will enter
values into each textbox to be inserted into the Word document.  Insert this
code for the Click event of the button (insert your own error handling).

    Dim appWord As Word.Application
    Dim docWord As Word.Document
    Dim strFile as String

    strFile = "insert the complete path to the Word document"

    Set appWord = New Word.Application
    Set docWord = appWord.Documents.Add(strFile)

    docWord.Bookmarks("the name of the first bookmark").Range.Text =
Me!txtField1
    docWord.Bookmarks("the name of the second bookmark").Range.Text =
Me!txtField2
    docWord.Bookmarks("the name of the third bookmark").Range.Text =
Me!txtField3

    appWord.ActiveDocument.PrintOut
    appWord.ActiveDocument.Close

    Set appWord = Nothing
    Set appWord = Nothing
    strFile = ""


Joe O'Connell


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Date: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 4:43 AM
Subject: [AccessD] Access form producing a Word document


|Can an Access form be coded to print a single Word document in which the
|text is almost always the same, but for about three fields, please?
|
|For example, a command button to produce (for the employee whose form it
is)
|birthday cheers, or a wedding congratulations, or to be fired.
|
|Cheers
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From ajallen at mail.wvu.edu  Wed Sep 29 09:39:28 2004
From: ajallen at mail.wvu.edu (Amanda Rittenhouse)
Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 10:39:28 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Splitting Information from One field into Two
Message-ID: <s15a90e9.010@WVUGW01.wvu.edu>

Thank you.  That worked perfectly.
* Amanda

>>> rbgajewski at adelphia.net 9/28/04 12:24:57 PM >>>
Amanda

Use the InStr function to locate the comma (or comma and following space)
and then use the Left/Mid/Right functions to extract the portions on either
side of the comma.

Regards,
Bob Gajewski

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Subject: [AccessD] Splitting Information from One field into Two


I can't find my sample code where I update two fields by splitting one.  I
have a field NAME which contains:
last name      comma     first name        Example:  Smith, John
I want to create two fields:  LastName     FirstName
I want to populate the two fields with the data from NAME.  Before the comma
is the last name and after the comma is the first name.  I've seen the
update code to do it but can not locate it now.  Please help.

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From Paul.Rogers at SummitMedia.co.uk  Wed Sep 29 10:01:48 2004
From: Paul.Rogers at SummitMedia.co.uk (Paul Rodgers)
Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 16:01:48 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Access form producing a Word document
Message-ID: <EAF3070ACB1AD81182280002A51EF73119227B@s003.wolds.summitmedia.co.uk>

That looks excellent, Joe. Many, many thanks. All the best
paul

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Sent: 29 September 2004 15:31
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving;
Paul.Rogers at summitmedia.co.uk
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access form producing a Word document


Paul,

Create a Word document and instead of typing the text that can change,
insert a bookmark using names that are meaningful to you.  Save the
document.

Create a form with 3 text boxes and a command button.  The user will enter
values into each textbox to be inserted into the Word document.  Insert this
code for the Click event of the button (insert your own error handling).

    Dim appWord As Word.Application
    Dim docWord As Word.Document
    Dim strFile as String

    strFile = "insert the complete path to the Word document"

    Set appWord = New Word.Application
    Set docWord = appWord.Documents.Add(strFile)

    docWord.Bookmarks("the name of the first bookmark").Range.Text =
Me!txtField1
    docWord.Bookmarks("the name of the second bookmark").Range.Text =
Me!txtField2
    docWord.Bookmarks("the name of the third bookmark").Range.Text =
Me!txtField3

    appWord.ActiveDocument.PrintOut
    appWord.ActiveDocument.Close

    Set appWord = Nothing
    Set appWord = Nothing
    strFile = ""


Joe O'Connell


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To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Date: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 4:43 AM
Subject: [AccessD] Access form producing a Word document


|Can an Access form be coded to print a single Word document in which the
|text is almost always the same, but for about three fields, please?
|
|For example, a command button to produce (for the employee whose form it
is)
|birthday cheers, or a wedding congratulations, or to be fired.
|
|Cheers
|paul
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From garykjos at hotmail.com  Wed Sep 29 10:17:49 2004
From: garykjos at hotmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 10:17:49 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Splitting Information from One field into Two
Message-ID: <BAY2-F21KtWfN3vSAMf0001b65a@hotmail.com>

Hi Amanda,

You need an update query with something like

LastName:Left([FullName],Instr(1,[FullName],",")-1)
FirstNameName:Mid([FullName],Instr(1,[FullName],",")+1)

-----------

What these statements do is;

Left = Returns a Variant (String) containing a specified number of 
characters from the left side of a string.

InStr = Returns a Variant (Long) specifying the position of the first 
occurrence of one string within another.

Mid = Returns a Variant (String) containing a specified number of characters 
from a string.

----------------

So the first one grabs everything to the left of the comma and the second 
one grabs everything to the right of the comma.

You are kind of asking for trouble with a field just called NAME in my 
opinion. Could be reserved things using that term.

Gary Kjos
garykjos at hotmail.com





>From: "Amanda Rittenhouse" <ajallen at mail.wvu.edu>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: [AccessD] Splitting Information from One field into Two
>Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 12:07:42 -0400
>
>I can't find my sample code where I update two fields by splitting one.  I 
>have a field NAME which contains:
>last name      comma     first name        Example:  Smith, John
>I want to create two fields:  LastName     FirstName
>I want to populate the two fields with the data from NAME.  Before the 
>comma is the last name and after the comma is the first name.  I've seen 
>the update code to do it but can not locate it now.  Please help.
>
>* Amanda
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From Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com  Wed Sep 29 11:45:49 2004
From: Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com (Hale, Jim)
Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 11:45:49 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access form producing a Word document
Message-ID: <6A6AA9DF57E4F046BDA1E273BDDB677217FF65@corp-es01.fleetpride.com>

Wow, I hope you don't hit the wrong button by mistake! ;-)
Jim

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Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 4:36 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Access form producing a Word document


Can an Access form be coded to print a single Word document in which the
text is almost always the same, but for about three fields, please? 

For example, a command button to produce (for the employee whose form it is)
birthday cheers, or a wedding congratulations, or to be fired. 

Cheers 
paul

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From ajallen at mail.wvu.edu  Wed Sep 29 14:12:16 2004
From: ajallen at mail.wvu.edu (Amanda Rittenhouse)
Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 15:12:16 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Exporting Memo Fields
Message-ID: <s15ad0e5.007@WVUGW01.wvu.edu>

I use the following code to send a query results via email.  However, my memo field from the table is converted into a text field and cutting the field at 255 characters.  How do I get the query to provide the entire memo field?

DoCmd.SendObject acSendQuery,"q_Name", acFormatXLS, , "email to", , "Subject", "email Message", True

* Amanda



From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Wed Sep 29 15:07:19 2004
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (DWUTKA at marlow.com)
Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 15:07:19 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Exporting Memo Fields
Message-ID: <123701F54509D9119A4F00D0B747349016CFA5@main2.marlow.com>

I think the fastest way to fix this is to just build a report for that
query, set the memo field's CanGrow property to True, and change your code
to send the report, instead of sending a query.  When you send the query, it
is going to send it like a row in a query, which is going to limit the
number of viewable characters to 255.

Drew

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From: Amanda Rittenhouse [mailto:ajallen at mail.wvu.edu]
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 2:12 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Exporting Memo Fields


I use the following code to send a query results via email.  However, my
memo field from the table is converted into a text field and cutting the
field at 255 characters.  How do I get the query to provide the entire memo
field?

DoCmd.SendObject acSendQuery,"q_Name", acFormatXLS, , "email to", ,
"Subject", "email Message", True

* Amanda

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From lmrazek at lcm-res.com  Wed Sep 29 15:36:03 2004
From: lmrazek at lcm-res.com (Lawrence Mrazek)
Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 15:36:03 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Days of the Week Report 
In-Reply-To: <s15ad0e5.007@WVUGW01.wvu.edu>
Message-ID: <200409291635435.SM01212@hplaptop>

Hi:

I know I'm missing something, but I currently can't get the following to
work:

1. tblProductionInfo has the following fields: (ProductionID, DateProduced,
KgsProduced, BatchSize, BagsProduced ... Etc.)

Basically, I want to be able to display a report with the days of the week
at the top (column headings), and the fields (KgsProduced, BatchSize,
BagsProduced) as row headings. 

Thus, it should look something like:

			Sun	Mon	Tues	Wed	Thur	Fri	Sat
KgsProduced		1	3	3	2	2	2	1

BatchSize		1	3	3	2	2	2	1
BagsProduced	1	3	3	2	2	2	1
Totals		3	9	9	6	6	6	3

Can I do this in Access? I'll be using a parameter in the query to select
only one calendar week at a time using the DatePart and Year function to
filter against user supplied criteria. 

Any hints would be appreciated ... Haven't worked with Crosstabs in a long
time ... I know it has to be easier than I'm making it !

Larry Mrazek
LCM Research, Inc.
www.lcm-res.com
lmrazek at lcm-res.com
ph. 314-432-5886
fx. 314-432-3304




From JHewson at karta.com  Wed Sep 29 15:54:38 2004
From: JHewson at karta.com (Jim Hewson)
Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 15:54:38 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access form producing a Word document
Message-ID: <9C382E065F54AE48BC3AA7925DCBB01C0103E36C@karta-exc-int.Karta.com>


I can't get this to work.
It errors out on the first line with the cryptic:  
"Compile error:  User-defined type not defined"
I couldn't find anything in help "Word.Application" 

I'm using A2K if that makes a difference.

Thanks,
Jim


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O'Connell
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 9:31 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving;
Paul.Rogers at SummitMedia.co.uk
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access form producing a Word document


Paul,

Create a Word document and instead of typing the text that can change,
insert a bookmark using names that are meaningful to you.  Save the
document.

Create a form with 3 text boxes and a command button.  The user will enter
values into each textbox to be inserted into the Word document.  Insert this
code for the Click event of the button (insert your own error handling).

    Dim appWord As Word.Application
    Dim docWord As Word.Document
    Dim strFile as String

    strFile = "insert the complete path to the Word document"

    Set appWord = New Word.Application
    Set docWord = appWord.Documents.Add(strFile)

    docWord.Bookmarks("the name of the first bookmark").Range.Text =
Me!txtField1
    docWord.Bookmarks("the name of the second bookmark").Range.Text =
Me!txtField2
    docWord.Bookmarks("the name of the third bookmark").Range.Text =
Me!txtField3

    appWord.ActiveDocument.PrintOut
    appWord.ActiveDocument.Close

    Set appWord = Nothing
    Set appWord = Nothing
    strFile = ""


Joe O'Connell


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To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Date: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 4:43 AM
Subject: [AccessD] Access form producing a Word document


|Can an Access form be coded to print a single Word document in which the
|text is almost always the same, but for about three fields, please?
|
|For example, a command button to produce (for the employee whose form it
is)
|birthday cheers, or a wedding congratulations, or to be fired.
|
|Cheers
|paul
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From JHewson at karta.com  Wed Sep 29 16:15:36 2004
From: JHewson at karta.com (Jim Hewson)
Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 16:15:36 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access form producing a Word document
Message-ID: <9C382E065F54AE48BC3AA7925DCBB01C0103E36D@karta-exc-int.Karta.com>


I get it...
Think references!
Doh!  Sometimes I feel like a dolt.
Jim

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Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 3:55 PM
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Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access form producing a Word document



I can't get this to work.
It errors out on the first line with the cryptic:  
"Compile error:  User-defined type not defined"
I couldn't find anything in help "Word.Application" 

I'm using A2K if that makes a difference.

Thanks,
Jim


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O'Connell
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 9:31 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving;
Paul.Rogers at SummitMedia.co.uk
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access form producing a Word document


Paul,

Create a Word document and instead of typing the text that can change,
insert a bookmark using names that are meaningful to you.  Save the
document.

Create a form with 3 text boxes and a command button.  The user will enter
values into each textbox to be inserted into the Word document.  Insert this
code for the Click event of the button (insert your own error handling).

    Dim appWord As Word.Application
    Dim docWord As Word.Document
    Dim strFile as String

    strFile = "insert the complete path to the Word document"

    Set appWord = New Word.Application
    Set docWord = appWord.Documents.Add(strFile)

    docWord.Bookmarks("the name of the first bookmark").Range.Text =
Me!txtField1
    docWord.Bookmarks("the name of the second bookmark").Range.Text =
Me!txtField2
    docWord.Bookmarks("the name of the third bookmark").Range.Text =
Me!txtField3

    appWord.ActiveDocument.PrintOut
    appWord.ActiveDocument.Close

    Set appWord = Nothing
    Set appWord = Nothing
    strFile = ""


Joe O'Connell


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Date: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 4:43 AM
Subject: [AccessD] Access form producing a Word document


|Can an Access form be coded to print a single Word document in which the
|text is almost always the same, but for about three fields, please?
|
|For example, a command button to produce (for the employee whose form it
is)
|birthday cheers, or a wedding congratulations, or to be fired.
|
|Cheers
|paul
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From paul.hartland at fsmail.net  Wed Sep 29 05:11:28 2004
From: paul.hartland at fsmail.net (paul.hartland at fsmail.net)
Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 12:11:28 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [AccessD] Common Dialog in Access 97
Message-ID: <199913.1096452688580.JavaMail.www@wwinf3003>

Thanks for everyone's help on this, I went the API route in the end.





Message date : Sep 29 2004, 11:05 AM
>From : "Gustav Brock" 
To : "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
Copy to : 
Subject : Re: [AccessD] Common Dialog in Access 97
Hi Paul

You need to have exactly the same version of the ocx on the machine.
If it is not used for anything else on that machine, you can copy your
version. You may need to register it though.

If this is not a one-shot install, rewrite your code to use the API.

/gustav


> To all,
> I have developed an application in Office XP which uses the Microsoft common dialog control. I converted the application to Access 97, using the convert wizard and when installed on an Access 97
> machine the common dialog section does not work, and it's not available in the ActiveX controls, anyone any idea's on how I can get this in Access 97
> Paul Hartland

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From pedro at plex.nl  Thu Sep 30 11:49:45 2004
From: pedro at plex.nl (pedro at plex.nl)
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 11:49:45 (MET DST)
Subject: [AccessD] print structure
Message-ID: <200409300949.i8U9nj9S020105@mailhostC.plex.net>

Hello group,

is there a way to print out the structure of a database. With this i mean all fields, type's and properties of the table's, forms etc.

Thanks

Pedro Janssen


From ssharkins at bellsouth.net  Thu Sep 30 06:23:43 2004
From: ssharkins at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 07:23:43 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] print structure
References: <200409300949.i8U9nj9S020105@mailhostC.plex.net>
Message-ID: <014701c4a6e1$c90559c0$9865fea9@BILLONE>

Use the Documenter feature -- Tools, Database Utilities -- it's simple to
use.

Susan H.


> Hello group,
>
> is there a way to print out the structure of a database. With this i mean
all fields, type's and properties of the table's, forms etc.
>



From paul.hartland at fsmail.net  Thu Sep 30 07:18:46 2004
From: paul.hartland at fsmail.net (paul.hartland at fsmail.net)
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 14:18:46 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [AccessD] Exporting Using Code
Message-ID: <22306874.1096546726997.JavaMail.www@wwinf3004>

 I have the following code to export a query into csv file,

 strExcelName = "G3-DE-DJL-25-" & Format(dtStart, "dd-mm-yyyy") & ".csv"
    
 strSQL = "SELECT * INTO " & _
                       "[Text;Database=\\Genesis\Genesis$\Excel_Worksheets\Email\" & strExcelName & "] " & _
                       "FROM qryDailyJobListingForTimer " & _
                       "WHERE (tblBooking.JobDate >= #" & dtStart & "# AND tblBooking.JobDate <= #" & dtFinish & "#) OR " & _
                       "(tblBooking.JobDate < #" & dtStart & "# AND tblBooking.BkgDate >= #" & dtStart & "# AND tblBooking.BkgDate <=#" & dtFinish & "#)"


however when I run it using
 
dbConn.Execute strSQL
 
I get the following error:
 
Run Time Error ?-2147467259 (80004005)?:
?qryDailyJobListingForTimer? is not a valid name. Make sure that it does not include invalid characters or punctuation and that it is not too long
 
I am running this from Visual Basic, the dbConn is the connection to the correct database, I just can?t seem to get it to work, any ideas anyone ?

 Thanks in advance for any help.

 Paul Hartland

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From actebs at actebs.com.au  Thu Sep 30 08:06:36 2004
From: actebs at actebs.com.au (ACTEBS)
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 23:06:36 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Arthur's Treeview
Message-ID: <2025BB6F17FCB54791F23CD505583328041BB6@starfleet.unknown.local>

Hi everyone,
 
I am mucking around with Arthur's Tree view control using DAO. What I
can't figure out is how you get the ID of the item selected within the
treeview itself so I can use it to filter a recordset. For example:
 
Level 1 = ProductCategory eg Dairy
Level 2 = Product eg Goats Milk
 
I want to be able to get the ProductCategoryID as I am only able to get
the ProductCategoryText out at the moment in Level 1. This also applies
to the Level 2 where I'd prefer to obtain the ProductID rather than the
ProductDescription. Obviously I don't want the user to see these
values...
 
Any help much appreciated...
 
Vlad
 
 


From mikedorism at adelphia.net  Thu Sep 30 08:35:57 2004
From: mikedorism at adelphia.net (Mike & Doris Manning)
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 09:35:57 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Arthur's Treeview
In-Reply-To: <2025BB6F17FCB54791F23CD505583328041BB6@starfleet.unknown.local>
Message-ID: <000001c4a6f2$6aefe6a0$060aa845@hargrove.internal>

I store that information in the Node's Tag property.

Doris Manning
Database Administrator
Hargrove Inc.
www.hargroveinc.com


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To: access group
Subject: [AccessD] Arthur's Treeview


Hi everyone,
 
I am mucking around with Arthur's Tree view control using DAO. What I can't
figure out is how you get the ID of the item selected within the treeview
itself so I can use it to filter a recordset. For example:
 
Level 1 = ProductCategory eg Dairy
Level 2 = Product eg Goats Milk
 
I want to be able to get the ProductCategoryID as I am only able to get the
ProductCategoryText out at the moment in Level 1. This also applies to the
Level 2 where I'd prefer to obtain the ProductID rather than the
ProductDescription. Obviously I don't want the user to see these values...
 
Any help much appreciated...
 
Vlad
 
 
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From JColby at dispec.com  Thu Sep 30 08:40:01 2004
From: JColby at dispec.com (Colby, John)
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 09:40:01 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Flattening out a child table
Message-ID: <05C61C52D7CAD211A7830008C7DF6F10CBF8EE@DISABILITYINS01>

I have a data export that I need to do.  An "Advise to Pay" (ATP) tells the
insurer to pay on a claim, how much and for how long.  Part of that
information will be Offsets to the payment.  Pay this amount gross, but
deduct this amount and this amount and this amount.  The offsets consist of
a code (type of offset), offset from date, offset to date and amount of the
offset.  Since the offsets are in a child table to ATP, any advise to pay
can have from zero to unlimited offsets.

I am taking this data - Claim, claimant, ATP and Offset - and inserting it
into a single record where there are repeating fields (denormalized
obviously) for things like the offsets.  The export format gives me 16 sets
of fields (code / from date / to date / amount) into which I can insert up
to 16 offsets, which realistically is more than I need.

My question is, can this be done only in SQL or am I going to need to build
a temporary table to put this in and run a program to pull the data from the
offset records and jam it into sequential offset "slots" in the temp table?
I can't for the life of me envision SQL able to flatten out n to 16 offsets
into repeating field groups in this manner.  For one record, yea, for N ATP
records...  It seems this is a crosstab kind of thing but my brain just
isn't kicking out the solution this AM.

John W. Colby
The DIS Database Guy


From Alun.Garraway at otto.de  Thu Sep 30 09:02:51 2004
From: Alun.Garraway at otto.de (Garraway, Alun)
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 16:02:51 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Arthur's Treeview
Message-ID: <D096EDDAA3939B45BEAF0F506801709A7B2C7D@ntovmail03.ov.otto.de>

Hi Vlad,

I use the Node.Key to store that info.

here's some test code

hth
alun

Private Sub tvwSpot_ON_NodeClick(ByVal Node As Object)

    Dim strLeval As String
    
    With Node
        strLeval = Left(.Key, 2)

        Select Case strLeval
        
        Case "WG"
            MsgBox "this is leval 1 " & .Key
            
        Case "AR"
            MsgBox "this is leval 2 " & Right(.Key, 6)
        Case Else
            MsgBox "nothing! " & .Key
        End Select
    End With
End Sub

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of ACTEBS
Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 3:07 PM
To: access group
Subject: [AccessD] Arthur's Treeview


Hi everyone,
 
I am mucking around with Arthur's Tree view control using DAO. What I
can't figure out is how you get the ID of the item selected within the
treeview itself so I can use it to filter a recordset. For example:
 
Level 1 = ProductCategory eg Dairy
Level 2 = Product eg Goats Milk
 
I want to be able to get the ProductCategoryID as I am only able to get
the ProductCategoryText out at the moment in Level 1. This also applies
to the Level 2 where I'd prefer to obtain the ProductID rather than the
ProductDescription. Obviously I don't want the user to see these
values...
 
Any help much appreciated...
 
Vlad
 
 
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From GregSmith at starband.net  Thu Sep 30 09:19:52 2004
From: GregSmith at starband.net (Greg Smith)
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 09:19:52 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Test - Posts not delivered.
In-Reply-To: <2025BB6F17FCB54791F23CD505583328041BB6@starfleet.unknown.local>
References: <2025BB6F17FCB54791F23CD505583328041BB6@starfleet.unknown.local>
Message-ID: <1586.216.43.21.235.1096553992.squirrel@cetus.email.starband.net>

Bryan:

Most of my posts are still being 'undelivered'.  They bounce back, as this
one will from databaseadvisors.com (makes no difference whether it's to
listmaster or accessD), and are at first marked 'warning...could
not...deliver...just a warning', then about a day later I'll get the
message that it couldn't deliver it and it was trashed.

I even signed up a second account to accessD from starband (temporary
email address ... maybe...), but it's getting the same thing.  I have NO
server-side filtering on either account, so it's not being blocked by
anything I have here.

Is there something in the header of my emails that is being captured or
blocked by databaseadvisors.com?

I feel a lot like the tail trying to wag the dog...as I have no control
over how Starband sends emails, but if you could find out what's causing
the issue, and it's a Starband issue, I sure would let them know!

Thanks.

Greg Smith




From Mike.W.Gowey at doc.state.or.us  Thu Sep 30 09:21:32 2004
From: Mike.W.Gowey at doc.state.or.us (Gowey Mike W)
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 08:21:32 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Calling and filling in an Outlook Form
Message-ID: <05EBB8A3BEB95B4F8216BE4EF4860778042AFFB6@srciml1.ds.doc.state.or.us>

 

Hi Everyone,

Before I go off and spend a lot of time on this I wanted to ask if
anyone has ever called an Outlook form and filled it in with data from
an Access table and than send the Outlook form????

Any information on this would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

Mike Gowey  MCSA, A+, LME, NET+
Team Leader - SRCI
Information Systems & Services




From GregSmith at starband.net  Thu Sep 30 09:56:18 2004
From: GregSmith at starband.net (Greg Smith)
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 09:56:18 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Test - Posts not delivered.
In-Reply-To: <1586.216.43.21.235.1096553992.squirrel@cetus.email.starband.net>
References: <2025BB6F17FCB54791F23CD505583328041BB6@starfleet.unknown.local>
	<1586.216.43.21.235.1096553992.squirrel@cetus.email.starband.net>
Message-ID: <1726.216.43.21.235.1096556178.squirrel@cetus.email.starband.net>

Oh FINE.  NOW it posts 'em right away.  Sigh.  Make me look like an idiot.
 I really don't need any help in THAT department...

Greg


> Bryan:
>
> Most of my posts are still being 'undelivered'.  They bounce back, as
> this one will from databaseadvisors.com (makes no difference whether
> it's to listmaster or accessD), and are at first marked 'warning...could
> not...deliver...just a warning', then about a day later I'll get the
> message that it couldn't deliver it and it was trashed.
>
> I even signed up a second account to accessD from starband (temporary
> email address ... maybe...), but it's getting the same thing.  I have NO
> server-side filtering on either account, so it's not being blocked by
> anything I have here.
>
> Is there something in the header of my emails that is being captured or
> blocked by databaseadvisors.com?
>
> I feel a lot like the tail trying to wag the dog...as I have no control
> over how Starband sends emails, but if you could find out what's causing
> the issue, and it's a Starband issue, I sure would let them know!
>
> Thanks.
>
> Greg Smith
>
>
> --
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From actebs at actebs.com.au  Thu Sep 30 09:58:58 2004
From: actebs at actebs.com.au (ACTEBS)
Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 00:58:58 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Arthur's Treeview
Message-ID: <2025BB6F17FCB54791F23CD50558332803852B@starfleet.unknown.local>

Alun,

You're a superstar...

Thanx
Vlad

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Garraway,
Alun
Sent: Friday, 1 October 2004 12:03 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Arthur's Treeview


Hi Vlad,

I use the Node.Key to store that info.

here's some test code

hth
alun

Private Sub tvwSpot_ON_NodeClick(ByVal Node As Object)

    Dim strLeval As String
    
    With Node
        strLeval = Left(.Key, 2)

        Select Case strLeval
        
        Case "WG"
            MsgBox "this is leval 1 " & .Key
            
        Case "AR"
            MsgBox "this is leval 2 " & Right(.Key, 6)
        Case Else
            MsgBox "nothing! " & .Key
        End Select
    End With
End Sub

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of ACTEBS
Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 3:07 PM
To: access group
Subject: [AccessD] Arthur's Treeview


Hi everyone,
 
I am mucking around with Arthur's Tree view control using DAO. What I
can't figure out is how you get the ID of the item selected within the
treeview itself so I can use it to filter a recordset. For example:
 
Level 1 = ProductCategory eg Dairy
Level 2 = Product eg Goats Milk
 
I want to be able to get the ProductCategoryID as I am only able to get
the ProductCategoryText out at the moment in Level 1. This also applies
to the Level 2 where I'd prefer to obtain the ProductID rather than the
ProductDescription. Obviously I don't want the user to see these
values...
 
Any help much appreciated...
 
Vlad
 
 
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu Sep 30 10:26:34 2004
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 08:26:34 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Test - Posts not delivered.
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312A89@infoserver01.infostat.local>

LOL

Wipe the egg off your face and keep posting!! ;-}

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Greg Smith [mailto:GregSmith at starband.net] 
Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 7:56 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Test - Posts not delivered.


Oh FINE.  NOW it posts 'em right away.  Sigh.  Make me look like an
idiot.  I really don't need any help in THAT department...

Greg


> Bryan:
>
> Most of my posts are still being 'undelivered'.  They bounce back, as 
> this one will from databaseadvisors.com (makes no difference whether 
> it's to listmaster or accessD), and are at first marked 
> 'warning...could not...deliver...just a warning', then about a day 
> later I'll get the message that it couldn't deliver it and it was 
> trashed.
>
> I even signed up a second account to accessD from starband (temporary 
> email address ... maybe...), but it's getting the same thing.  I have 
> NO server-side filtering on either account, so it's not being blocked 
> by anything I have here.
>
> Is there something in the header of my emails that is being captured 
> or blocked by databaseadvisors.com?
>
> I feel a lot like the tail trying to wag the dog...as I have no 
> control over how Starband sends emails, but if you could find out 
> what's causing the issue, and it's a Starband issue, I sure would let 
> them know!
>
> Thanks.
>
> Greg Smith
>
>
> --
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> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
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From JColby at dispec.com  Thu Sep 30 10:45:21 2004
From: JColby at dispec.com (Colby, John)
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 11:45:21 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Test - Posts not delivered.
Message-ID: <05C61C52D7CAD211A7830008C7DF6F10CBF8F0@DISABILITYINS01>

Hey, we ARE having problems with the list, no egg wiping needed.  My son
leaves the egg on all day (and boy does it embarrass mom).

John W. Colby
The DIS Database Guy


-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 11:27 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Test - Posts not delivered.


LOL

Wipe the egg off your face and keep posting!! ;-}

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Greg Smith [mailto:GregSmith at starband.net] 
Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 7:56 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Test - Posts not delivered.


Oh FINE.  NOW it posts 'em right away.  Sigh.  Make me look like an
idiot.  I really don't need any help in THAT department...

Greg


> Bryan:
>
> Most of my posts are still being 'undelivered'.  They bounce back, as 
> this one will from databaseadvisors.com (makes no difference whether 
> it's to listmaster or accessD), and are at first marked 
> 'warning...could not...deliver...just a warning', then about a day 
> later I'll get the message that it couldn't deliver it and it was 
> trashed.
>
> I even signed up a second account to accessD from starband (temporary 
> email address ... maybe...), but it's getting the same thing.  I have 
> NO server-side filtering on either account, so it's not being blocked 
> by anything I have here.
>
> Is there something in the header of my emails that is being captured 
> or blocked by databaseadvisors.com?
>
> I feel a lot like the tail trying to wag the dog...as I have no 
> control over how Starband sends emails, but if you could find out 
> what's causing the issue, and it's a Starband issue, I sure would let 
> them know!
>
> Thanks.
>
> Greg Smith
>
>
> --
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> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
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From carbonnb at gmail.com  Thu Sep 30 11:01:02 2004
From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 12:01:02 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Test - Posts not delivered.
In-Reply-To: <05C61C52D7CAD211A7830008C7DF6F10CBF8F0@DISABILITYINS01>
References: <05C61C52D7CAD211A7830008C7DF6F10CBF8F0@DISABILITYINS01>
Message-ID: <e04a6c920409300901578bad8e@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, 30 Sep 2004 11:45:21 -0400, Colby, John <jcolby at dispec.com> wrote:
> Hey, we ARE having problems with the list, no egg wiping needed.  My son
> leaves the egg on all day (and boy does it embarrass mom).

Were!! I *think* the problems disappeared this morning

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preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
shouting "What a great ride!"


From paul.hartland at fsmail.net  Thu Sep 30 11:05:09 2004
From: paul.hartland at fsmail.net (paul.hartland at fsmail.net)
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 18:05:09 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [AccessD] Menu/Toolbar Switching Functions on/Off
Message-ID: <5084615.1096560309103.JavaMail.www@wwinf3003>

To All,
If no text is selected in my textbox, I don't want the copy or cut functions to be available on my toolbar/menu. Likewise if the clipboard is empty I don't want to Paste to be available.

I'm thinking that on the keypress/mousemove/any activity events of my textbox I could put in the appropriate code to enable and disable the relevant options. But this seems a bit messy to me. Is this the correct way to go about doing this or does anyone know of a better way?

Paul Hartland

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From bheid at appdevgrp.com  Thu Sep 30 11:18:07 2004
From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid)
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 12:18:07 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Menu/Toolbar Switching Functions on/Off
In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA309B502E@ADGSERVER>
Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA305BB89F@ADGSERVER>

I am unable to bring up Access at the moment, but isn't this done
automatically?  I tried it with this e-mail and it is automatic.

Bobby

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
paul.hartland at fsmail.net
Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 12:05 PM
To: accessd
Subject: [AccessD] Menu/Toolbar Switching Functions on/Off


To All,
If no text is selected in my textbox, I don't want the copy or cut functions
to be available on my toolbar/menu. Likewise if the clipboard is empty I
don't want to Paste to be available.

I'm thinking that on the keypress/mousemove/any activity events of my
textbox I could put in the appropriate code to enable and disable the
relevant options. But this seems a bit messy to me. Is this the correct way
to go about doing this or does anyone know of a better way?

Paul Hartland




From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu Sep 30 11:20:28 2004
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 09:20:28 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Test - Posts not delivered.
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312A8A@infoserver01.infostat.local>

>>boy does it embarrass mom

She just hasn't been doing it long enough to realize that little boys
are made that way.  They could find dirt in a space bubble and tidy is a
brand of toilet cleanser!

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Colby, John [mailto:JColby at dispec.com] 
Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 8:45 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Test - Posts not delivered.


Hey, we ARE having problems with the list, no egg wiping needed.  My son
leaves the egg on all day (and boy does it embarrass mom).

John W. Colby
The DIS Database Guy


-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 11:27 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Test - Posts not delivered.


LOL

Wipe the egg off your face and keep posting!! ;-}

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Greg Smith [mailto:GregSmith at starband.net] 
Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 7:56 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Test - Posts not delivered.


Oh FINE.  NOW it posts 'em right away.  Sigh.  Make me look like an
idiot.  I really don't need any help in THAT department...

Greg


> Bryan:
>
> Most of my posts are still being 'undelivered'.  They bounce back, as
> this one will from databaseadvisors.com (makes no difference whether 
> it's to listmaster or accessD), and are at first marked 
> 'warning...could not...deliver...just a warning', then about a day 
> later I'll get the message that it couldn't deliver it and it was 
> trashed.
>
> I even signed up a second account to accessD from starband (temporary
> email address ... maybe...), but it's getting the same thing.  I have 
> NO server-side filtering on either account, so it's not being blocked 
> by anything I have here.
>
> Is there something in the header of my emails that is being captured
> or blocked by databaseadvisors.com?
>
> I feel a lot like the tail trying to wag the dog...as I have no
> control over how Starband sends emails, but if you could find out 
> what's causing the issue, and it's a Starband issue, I sure would let 
> them know!
>
> Thanks.
>
> Greg Smith
>
>
> --
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com



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From JColby at dispec.com  Thu Sep 30 11:21:21 2004
From: JColby at dispec.com (Colby, John)
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 12:21:21 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Menu/Toolbar Switching Functions on/Off
Message-ID: <05C61C52D7CAD211A7830008C7DF6F10CBF8F1@DISABILITYINS01>

Boy, you know he's out of things to do when...

But seriously, whenever you do figure it out, that is definitely a framework
kinda thing so that is there in all text boxes everywhere.

John W. Colby
The DIS Database Guy


-----Original Message-----
From: paul.hartland at fsmail.net [mailto:paul.hartland at fsmail.net]
Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 12:05 PM
To: accessd
Subject: [AccessD] Menu/Toolbar Switching Functions on/Off


To All,
If no text is selected in my textbox, I don't want the copy or cut functions
to be available on my toolbar/menu. Likewise if the clipboard is empty I
don't want to Paste to be available.

I'm thinking that on the keypress/mousemove/any activity events of my
textbox I could put in the appropriate code to enable and disable the
relevant options. But this seems a bit messy to me. Is this the correct way
to go about doing this or does anyone know of a better way?

Paul Hartland

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From adtp at touchtelindia.net  Thu Sep 30 13:00:46 2004
From: adtp at touchtelindia.net (A.D.Tejpal)
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 23:30:46 +0530
Subject: [AccessD] Days of the Week Report 
References: <200409291635435.SM01212@hplaptop>
Message-ID: <009601c4a717$93b510e0$c71865cb@winxp>

Larry,

    You need a crosstab query as the record source for your report. However, your existing table design is not amenable to creation of the final query in a single shot. Under the circumstances, two alternatives can be considered.

    (1) Modify the table design.
        1.1 If too much data has not already been filled in, the table design can be modified so as to replace the existing number type fields (KgsProduced, BatchSize, BagsProduced, -- etc), by just two fields, i.e. Item (text type) and Output (number type). 
        1.2 For each date, there will be separate records for KgsProduced, BatchSize, BagsProduced etc (all in the column named Item) and corresponding numbers will be entered in the column named Output.
        1.3 With this arrangement, creation of crosstab query is straightforward, using Item as Row-Heading, WeekdayName as Column-Heading and Output as Value.

    (2) Managing with existing table structure.
        2.1 If you feel compelled to stick to the existing table design, you have to create individual crosstab queries for KgsProduced, BatchSize, BagsProduced etc, inserting Item as independent alias, to serve as row heading.
        2.2 All crosstab queries created as per 2.1 above, are then to be combined into a union query to serve as record source for the intended report.
        2.3 As an illustration, SQL for crosstab query pertaining to BagsProduced, is given below. Other queries (for KgsProduced, BatchSize -- etc) can be built on similar lines.

    You should now be in a position to proceed ahead with the alternative best suited to your specific situation. If you are stuck for any reason (even after trying for the next few days), just let me know.

Regards,
A.D.Tejpal
--------------

=====================================
TRANSFORM Sum(tblProductionInfo.BagsProduced) AS [OutPut]
SELECT "BagsProduced" AS Item
FROM tblProductionInfo
GROUP BY "BagsProduced"
PIVOT WeekdayName(Weekday([DateProduced]),True) In ("Sun","Mon","Tue","Wed","Thu","Fri","Sat");
=====================================

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Lawrence Mrazek 
  To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' 
  Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 02:06
  Subject: [AccessD] Days of the Week Report 


  Hi:

  I know I'm missing something, but I currently can't get the following to work:

  1. tblProductionInfo has the following fields: (ProductionID, DateProduced, KgsProduced, BatchSize, BagsProduced ... Etc.)

  Basically, I want to be able to display a report with the days of the week at the top (column headings), and the fields (KgsProduced, BatchSize, BagsProduced) as row headings. 

  Thus, it should look something like:

  Sun Mon Tues Wed Thur Fri Sat
  KgsProduced 1 3 3 2 2 2 1
  BatchSize 1 3 3 2 2 2 1
  BagsProduced 1 3 3 2 2 2 1
  Totals 3 9 9 6 6 6 3

  Can I do this in Access? I'll be using a parameter in the query to select only one calendar week at a time using the DatePart and Year function to filter against user supplied criteria. 

  Any hints would be appreciated ... Haven't worked with Crosstabs in a long time ... I know it has to be easier than I'm making it !

  Larry Mrazek
  LCM Research, Inc.
  www.lcm-res.com
  lmrazek at lcm-res.com
  ph. 314-432-5886
  fx. 314-432-3304


From pedro at plex.nl  Thu Sep 30 14:46:03 2004
From: pedro at plex.nl (Pedro Janssen)
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 21:46:03 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] print structure
References: <200409300949.i8U9nj9S020105@mailhostC.plex.net>
	<014701c4a6e1$c90559c0$9865fea9@BILLONE>
Message-ID: <008601c4a736$51180de0$f3c581d5@pedro>

Hello Susan,

thanks for sharing.
I didn't know this option at all.
It's very usefull.

Pedro Janssen

----- Original Message -----
From: "Susan Harkins" <ssharkins at bellsouth.net>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 1:23 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] print structure


> Use the Documenter feature -- Tools, Database Utilities -- it's simple to
> use.
>
> Susan H.
>
>
> > Hello group,
> >
> > is there a way to print out the structure of a database. With this i
mean
> all fields, type's and properties of the table's, forms etc.
> >
>
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From pedro at plex.nl  Thu Sep 30 15:01:39 2004
From: pedro at plex.nl (Pedro Janssen)
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 22:01:39 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] date query
References: <000c01c4a27d$9b424600$f9c581d5@pedro>
	<691989590.20040925091522@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <008701c4a736$51891f30$f3c581d5@pedro>

Hello Mike, Doris and Gustav,

Mike and Doris you were right.
The fieldname Date gave me the trouble.

Gustav, sometimes i don't trust myself
to show a query that isn't working.
Because i expect that the solution is simple,
i sometimes think "what do the other members
of the group will think of such an easy question".

I am not a developer and use access for easy
working with patient data. I often don't have the time
to concentrate total on a query or code. I know this
is a bad excuse and that the best way to learn is taking
time and confront myself with my mistakes.
But time time time.

I am glad that you folks exist and help with all the access problems.

Thanks i will try to make more time.

Greetings

Pedro Janssen


----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2004 9:15 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] date query


> Hi Pedro
>
> > i have a table [tblmeasure1] and important for the query are two
> > fields:  Date and Temperature.
>
> > I am trying to get avg, min etc. etc from Temperature in certain
> > date periods (Between #...# and #....#. But i keep running into
> > errors. What is the right way to do this?
>
> This is the way. So why not show us your query?
>
> /gustav
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Sep 30 17:20:20 2004
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 08:20:20 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Flattening out a child table
In-Reply-To: <05C61C52D7CAD211A7830008C7DF6F10CBF8EE@DISABILITYINS01>
Message-ID: <415D1344.6819.71FB458@lexacorp.com.pg>

On 30 Sep 2004 at 9:40, Colby, John wrote:

> I have a data export that I need to do.  An "Advise to Pay" (ATP) tells the
> insurer to pay on a claim, how much and for how long.  Part of that
> information will be Offsets to the payment.  Pay this amount gross, but
> deduct this amount and this amount and this amount.  The offsets consist of
> a code (type of offset), offset from date, offset to date and amount of the
> offset.  Since the offsets are in a child table to ATP, any advise to pay
> can have from zero to unlimited offsets.
> 
> I am taking this data - Claim, claimant, ATP and Offset - and inserting it
> into a single record where there are repeating fields (denormalized
> obviously) for things like the offsets.  The export format gives me 16 sets
> of fields (code / from date / to date / amount) into which I can insert up
> to 16 offsets, which realistically is more than I need.
> 
> My question is, can this be done only in SQL or am I going to need to build
> a temporary table to put this in and run a program to pull the data from the
> offset records and jam it into sequential offset "slots" in the temp table?
> I can't for the life of me envision SQL able to flatten out n to 16 offsets
> into repeating field groups in this manner.  For one record, yea, for N ATP
> records...  It seems this is a crosstab kind of thing but my brain just
> isn't kicking out the solution this AM.
> 

Trouble with crosstabs is you can only have one Value field and you are 
looking at four.   I would probably do this in code. Build a function which 
pulls the offsets for a specific claim from a recordset and structures the 
output appropriately. Depending on what you are exporting to, you can 
possibly then just write the data directly to your export file without 
building any temp table.




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From GregSmith at starband.net  Wed Sep 29 14:08:10 2004
From: GregSmith at starband.net (Greg Smith)
Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 14:08:10 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Test for today...
In-Reply-To: <s15a90e9.010@WVUGW01.wvu.edu>
References: <s15a90e9.010@WVUGW01.wvu.edu>
Message-ID: <2210.216.43.21.235.1096484890.squirrel@cetus.email.starband.net>

Test for Wednesday, 9-29-04 @ 1410 cdt

Greg




From john at winhaven.net  Thu Sep 30 21:18:24 2004
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 21:18:24 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Test for today...
In-Reply-To: <2210.216.43.21.235.1096484890.squirrel@cetus.email.starband.net>
Message-ID: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJIECGHPAA.john@winhaven.net>

OK at 21:09 CST

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Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 2:08 PM
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Subject: [AccessD] Test for today...


Test for Wednesday, 9-29-04 @ 1410 cdt

Greg


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From lmrazek at lcm-res.com  Thu Sep 30 22:05:27 2004
From: lmrazek at lcm-res.com (Lawrence Mrazek)
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 22:05:27 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Days of the Week Report 
In-Reply-To: <009601c4a717$93b510e0$c71865cb@winxp>
Message-ID: <200409302305300.SM01420@hplaptop>

Thanks A.D. 

This was a big help! 


Larry Mrazek
LCM Research, Inc.
www.lcm-res.com
lmrazek at lcm-res.com
ph. 314-432-5886
fx. 314-432-3304

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of A.D.Tejpal
Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 1:01 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Days of the Week Report 

Larry,

    You need a crosstab query as the record source for your report. However,
your existing table design is not amenable to creation of the final query in
a single shot. Under the circumstances, two alternatives can be considered.

    (1) Modify the table design.
        1.1 If too much data has not already been filled in, the table
design can be modified so as to replace the existing number type fields
(KgsProduced, BatchSize, BagsProduced, -- etc), by just two fields, i.e.
Item (text type) and Output (number type). 
        1.2 For each date, there will be separate records for KgsProduced,
BatchSize, BagsProduced etc (all in the column named Item) and corresponding
numbers will be entered in the column named Output.
        1.3 With this arrangement, creation of crosstab query is
straightforward, using Item as Row-Heading, WeekdayName as Column-Heading
and Output as Value.

    (2) Managing with existing table structure.
        2.1 If you feel compelled to stick to the existing table design, you
have to create individual crosstab queries for KgsProduced, BatchSize,
BagsProduced etc, inserting Item as independent alias, to serve as row
heading.
        2.2 All crosstab queries created as per 2.1 above, are then to be
combined into a union query to serve as record source for the intended
report.
        2.3 As an illustration, SQL for crosstab query pertaining to
BagsProduced, is given below. Other queries (for KgsProduced, BatchSize --
etc) can be built on similar lines.

    You should now be in a position to proceed ahead with the alternative
best suited to your specific situation. If you are stuck for any reason
(even after trying for the next few days), just let me know.

Regards,
A.D.Tejpal
--------------

=====================================
TRANSFORM Sum(tblProductionInfo.BagsProduced) AS [OutPut] SELECT
"BagsProduced" AS Item FROM tblProductionInfo GROUP BY "BagsProduced"
PIVOT WeekdayName(Weekday([DateProduced]),True) In
("Sun","Mon","Tue","Wed","Thu","Fri","Sat");
=====================================

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Lawrence Mrazek
  To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' 
  Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 02:06
  Subject: [AccessD] Days of the Week Report 


  Hi:

  I know I'm missing something, but I currently can't get the following to
work:

  1. tblProductionInfo has the following fields: (ProductionID,
DateProduced, KgsProduced, BatchSize, BagsProduced ... Etc.)

  Basically, I want to be able to display a report with the days of the week
at the top (column headings), and the fields (KgsProduced, BatchSize,
BagsProduced) as row headings. 

  Thus, it should look something like:

  Sun Mon Tues Wed Thur Fri Sat
  KgsProduced 1 3 3 2 2 2 1
  BatchSize 1 3 3 2 2 2 1
  BagsProduced 1 3 3 2 2 2 1
  Totals 3 9 9 6 6 6 3

  Can I do this in Access? I'll be using a parameter in the query to select
only one calendar week at a time using the DatePart and Year function to
filter against user supplied criteria. 

  Any hints would be appreciated ... Haven't worked with Crosstabs in a long
time ... I know it has to be easier than I'm making it !

  Larry Mrazek
  LCM Research, Inc.
  www.lcm-res.com
  lmrazek at lcm-res.com
  ph. 314-432-5886
  fx. 314-432-3304
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From GregSmith at starband.net  Tue Sep 28 08:08:32 2004
From: GregSmith at starband.net (Greg Smith)
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 08:08:32 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Test Only
In-Reply-To: <1470.216.43.21.235.1096294301.squirrel@cetus.email.starband.net>
References: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C8318805CED50A@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>
	<1470.216.43.21.235.1096294301.squirrel@cetus.email.starband.net>
Message-ID: <1330.216.43.21.235.1096376912.squirrel@cetus.email.starband.net>

Test only..Sorry about all these...

Greg