From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Mon Aug  1 00:26:05 2005
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 22:26:05 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] mde....mdb format
References: <002101c5962c$4d06dcf0$ebc2f63f@Desktop>
Message-ID: <42EDB26D.3080802@shaw.ca>

What is this click event actually doing. Try doing a decompile before 
creating the mde then recompile.
Also try doing it with the /runtime command line parameter in a shortcut

John Eget wrote:

>I have correctly complied and ran a mdb database with no errors, yet when i convert to mde i get the error pop that the command on a click event is not available in a mde/ade format. has anyone came across this before,  what happens when i create a mde?
>
>Thanks for looking
>John 
>  
>

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From accessd666 at yahoo.com  Mon Aug  1 03:26:04 2005
From: accessd666 at yahoo.com (Sad Der)
Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 01:26:04 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Display records from SQL Server SP with cursor output
	param
Message-ID: <20050801082604.33580.qmail@web31610.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi group,

I've got a Stored Procedure in SQL Server. It has 1 IN
and 1 OUTPUT param.
The SP is used to search a database for values and
return the data using a cursor accordingly.

If I run the code below (SQL Server) it returns
exactly the records I need.

My question:
How can I call this SP from within MS-Access 2000 and
display the cursor info?

DECLARE @MyCursor CURSOR
EXEC search_cursor 
	@Remark = '%Project%' ,
	@search_cursor = @MyCursor OUTPUT
WHILE (@@FETCH_STATUS = 0)
BEGIN
   FETCH NEXT FROM @MyCursor
END
CLOSE @MyCursor
DEALLOCATE @MyCursor
GO

Thnx

SD

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From accessd666 at yahoo.com  Mon Aug  1 04:46:16 2005
From: accessd666 at yahoo.com (Sad Der)
Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 02:46:16 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] GRID??
Message-ID: <20050801094616.34076.qmail@web31605.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi group,

??? que pasa ???
isn't there a grid in ms-access I can use??

I've got a recordset that returns somewhere between 3
and  x fields. I want to display the data in a grid. 

However i cannot find anything regarding a grid in
Access. Come to think of it, I cannot remember that
I've ever used a grid.

Any ideas?

Thnx

SD

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From vrm at tim-cms.com  Mon Aug  1 06:33:16 2005
From: vrm at tim-cms.com (Marcel Vreuls)
Date: Mon,  1 Aug 2005 07:33:16 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] GRID??
Message-ID: <200508010733.AA1042219266@tim-cms.com>

SD, 

I use JanusGrid 2000 a lot. Take a look at componentresource.com and search for Janus. They have also included a good access example with connected and disconnected recordsets. 

Gr. marcel 
---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: Sad Der <accessd666 at yahoo.com>
Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Date:  Mon, 1 Aug 2005 02:46:16 -0700 (PDT)

>Hi group,
>
>??? que pasa ???
>isn't there a grid in ms-access I can use??
>
>I've got a recordset that returns somewhere between 3
>and  x fields. I want to display the data in a grid. 
>
>However i cannot find anything regarding a grid in
>Access. Come to think of it, I cannot remember that
>I've ever used a grid.
>
>Any ideas?
>
>Thnx
>
>SD
>
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From vrm at tim-cms.com  Mon Aug  1 06:34:10 2005
From: vrm at tim-cms.com (Marcel Vreuls)
Date: Mon,  1 Aug 2005 07:34:10 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Re: Undeliverable Mail
Message-ID: <200508010734.AA1037893792@tim-cms.com>

SD, 

I use JanusGrid 2000 a lot. Take a look at componentresource.com and search for Janus. They have also included a good access example with connected and disconnected recordsets. 

Gr. marcel 
>---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
>From: Sad Der <accessd666 at yahoo.com>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Date:  Mon, 1 Aug 2005 02:46:16 -0700 (PDT)
>
>>Hi group,
>>
>>??? que pasa ???
>>isn't there a grid in ms-access I can use??
>>
>>I've got a recordset that returns somewhere between 3
>>and  x fields. I want to display the data in a grid. 
>>
>>However i cannot find anything regarding a grid in
>>Access. Come to think of it, I cannot remember that
>>I've ever used a grid.
>>
>>Any ideas?
>>
>>Thnx
>>
>>SD
>>
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From accessd666 at yahoo.com  Mon Aug  1 07:08:34 2005
From: accessd666 at yahoo.com (Sad Der)
Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 05:08:34 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] GRID??
In-Reply-To: <200508010733.AA1042219266@tim-cms.com>
Message-ID: <20050801120834.68317.qmail@web31603.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Thnx but that doesn't help me out now.
It has to be Access functionality (maybe vb activeX?)
I'm lookin into that now.

Regards,

SD

--- Marcel Vreuls <vrm at tim-cms.com> wrote:

> SD, 
> 
> I use JanusGrid 2000 a lot. Take a look at
> componentresource.com and search for Janus. They
> have also included a good access example with
> connected and disconnected recordsets. 
> 
> Gr. marcel 
> ---------- Original Message
> ----------------------------------
> From: Sad Der <accessd666 at yahoo.com>
> Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem
> solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Date:  Mon, 1 Aug 2005 02:46:16 -0700 (PDT)
> 
> >Hi group,
> >
> >??? que pasa ???
> >isn't there a grid in ms-access I can use??
> >
> >I've got a recordset that returns somewhere between
> 3
> >and  x fields. I want to display the data in a
> grid. 
> >
> >However i cannot find anything regarding a grid in
> >Access. Come to think of it, I cannot remember that
> >I've ever used a grid.
> >
> >Any ideas?
> >
> >Thnx
> >
> >SD
> >
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From vrm at tim-cms.com  Mon Aug  1 07:47:03 2005
From: vrm at tim-cms.com (| Marcel Vreuls)
Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 14:47:03 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] GRID??
In-Reply-To: <20050801120834.68317.qmail@web31603.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000e01c59697$1e40abb0$0100000a@GALAXY.local>

SD,

janus is a vb active X control. If  you want native access grids there are
to my knowlegde only three workarrounds/solutions:

- work with continues forms which give you a grid look and feel and sorting
possibilities.
- work with the listview and make sortopties for every column
- embed excel as oleobject and fill the excel sheet.

Marcel




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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Sad Der
Sent: maandag 1 augustus 2005 14:09
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] GRID??


Thnx but that doesn't help me out now.
It has to be Access functionality (maybe vb activeX?)
I'm lookin into that now.

Regards,

SD

--- Marcel Vreuls <vrm at tim-cms.com> wrote:

> SD,
>
> I use JanusGrid 2000 a lot. Take a look at
> componentresource.com and search for Janus. They
> have also included a good access example with
> connected and disconnected recordsets.
>
> Gr. marcel
> ---------- Original Message
> ----------------------------------
> From: Sad Der <accessd666 at yahoo.com>
> Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem
> solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Date:  Mon, 1 Aug 2005 02:46:16 -0700 (PDT)
>
> >Hi group,
> >
> >??? que pasa ???
> >isn't there a grid in ms-access I can use??
> >
> >I've got a recordset that returns somewhere between
> 3
> >and  x fields. I want to display the data in a
> grid.
> >
> >However i cannot find anything regarding a grid in
> >Access. Come to think of it, I cannot remember that
> >I've ever used a grid.
> >
> >Any ideas?
> >
> >Thnx
> >
> >SD
> >
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From ssharkins at bellsouth.net  Mon Aug  1 07:43:46 2005
From: ssharkins at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 08:43:46 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] GRID??
In-Reply-To: <000e01c59697$1e40abb0$0100000a@GALAXY.local>
Message-ID: <20050801124341.ZGNC24175.ibm69aec.bellsouth.net@SUSANONE>

 
- work with the listview and make sortopties for every column

========What is a listview?

Susan H. 



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Aug  1 07:56:25 2005
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 08:56:25 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] test
Message-ID: <002501c59698$6d45e620$0501a8c0@ColbyM6805>



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From accessd666 at yahoo.com  Mon Aug  1 08:02:08 2005
From: accessd666 at yahoo.com (Sad Der)
Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 06:02:08 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] GRID?? <SOLVED...kinda>
In-Reply-To: <000e01c59697$1e40abb0$0100000a@GALAXY.local>
Message-ID: <20050801130208.16097.qmail@web31612.mail.mud.yahoo.com>


Thnx, for the replies.
I've solved the problem like this:
1 - I've created a SQL server view
2 - I've created a Pass-Through query
3 - I've created a sub-form based on step 2

Now 'all' I have to do is figure out how I can add a
parameter that is filled using a form... :-)

regards,

SD


--- | Marcel Vreuls <vrm at tim-cms.com> wrote:

> SD,
> 
> janus is a vb active X control. If  you want native
> access grids there are
> to my knowlegde only three workarrounds/solutions:
> 
> - work with continues forms which give you a grid
> look and feel and sorting
> possibilities.
> - work with the listview and make sortopties for
> every column
> - embed excel as oleobject and fill the excel sheet.
> 
> Marcel
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On
> Behalf Of Sad Der
> Sent: maandag 1 augustus 2005 14:09
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] GRID??
> 
> 
> Thnx but that doesn't help me out now.
> It has to be Access functionality (maybe vb
> activeX?)
> I'm lookin into that now.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> SD
> 
> --- Marcel Vreuls <vrm at tim-cms.com> wrote:
> 
> > SD,
> >
> > I use JanusGrid 2000 a lot. Take a look at
> > componentresource.com and search for Janus. They
> > have also included a good access example with
> > connected and disconnected recordsets.
> >
> > Gr. marcel
> > ---------- Original Message
> > ----------------------------------
> > From: Sad Der <accessd666 at yahoo.com>
> > Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem
> > solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Date:  Mon, 1 Aug 2005 02:46:16 -0700 (PDT)
> >
> > >Hi group,
> > >
> > >??? que pasa ???
> > >isn't there a grid in ms-access I can use??
> > >
> > >I've got a recordset that returns somewhere
> between
> > 3
> > >and  x fields. I want to display the data in a
> > grid.
> > >
> > >However i cannot find anything regarding a grid
> in
> > >Access. Come to think of it, I cannot remember
> that
> > >I've ever used a grid.
> > >
> > >Any ideas?
> > >
> > >Thnx
> > >
> > >SD
> > >
> >
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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Mon Aug  1 09:15:51 2005
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 09:15:51 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Enforcing Database Properties in Code
Message-ID: <000001c596a3$898a1210$0300a8c0@danwaters>

Hello to everyone!

 

I've set up code that will detect and change database properties as the
database is opened.  For startup properties, you need to shut down the
database and restart before they take effect - i.e., "AllowSpecialKeys".
So, the code will change the property and immediately shut down the
database.  This happens during the startup routines so the user has to
restart to get in. Each time this happens the event is stored in a log which
is sent to me daily.

 

However, I had believed that the database properties would have been stored
within the application on the PC.  But, with the event log I get it appears
that the properties must be stored either in the BE or the workgroup file,
because even though the properties have been set once on someone's PC, they
may get set again a few days later.  The users don't know how to change the
properties manually, and the toolbar to do that is hidden anyway.  And,
almost all of the users don't use access for anything else.

 

The database is in AXP, split FE/BE, and secured with a separate workgroup
file.  Also, the administrator needs to go manage the startup properties
from time to time.

 

My question is - How can I enforce startup properties?

 

Thanks!

Dan Waters

 



From jmhecht at earthlink.net  Mon Aug  1 09:18:56 2005
From: jmhecht at earthlink.net (Joe Hecht)
Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 07:18:56 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] test
In-Reply-To: <002501c59698$6d45e620$0501a8c0@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <002101c596a3$f4c08320$6401a8c0@laptop1>

As almost always   PASS

Joe Hecht
Los Angeles CA

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From John.Clark at niagaracounty.com  Mon Aug  1 09:36:33 2005
From: John.Clark at niagaracounty.com (John Clark)
Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2005 10:36:33 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] variable as object
Message-ID: <s2edfb69.042@nebnov3.niagaracounty.com>

I am playing around with a new menu interface, and I am trying to
streamline it a bit, so that it may be reused for different menus with
different quantities of buttons. For instance my main menu has only
three buttons, while the reports menu has nine. Basically, I have
invisible buttons over labels, and I set the focus on a MouseMove and,
when the focus is set, I change the BackColor and ForeColor of the label
to emphasize the current button. I am trying to use the function below
to set all buttons to their default state, and then set the current
button to the "special" color scheme. However, I am getting the error
message, "Object Required" and it refers to both the with statements. If
I comment out these two statements and add in a "Label38.caption =
lblst" the caption of this test label does change properly as I move the
mouse over the buttons.

Can I please get a fresh set of eyes to point out my failing on this?


________________________________________________________________________________________________-

Public Function BtnChange(BtnNum As String, BtnQuan As Integer)

'***** I call this function from each of the OnFocus events of the
command buttons, using the syntax "BtnChange 1, 9"
'***** 1 is the actual button number and thus changes for each
button...they are named lbl01 to lbl09.
'***** 9 is the total num of buttons and does not change.

Dim x As Integer
Dim y As String
Dim lblst As Variant    '*** I did have this set to string, but have
changed in an effort to fix the problem ***

x = 1

While x < BtnQuan
    y = CStr(x)
    lblst = "lbl0" & y
    
    With lblst
        .BackColor = 10066329
        .ForeColor = 0
    End With
    
    x = x + 1
Wend

lblst = "lbl0" & BtnNum
Label38.Caption = lblst '*** this is just a test statement I put in to
verify up to a point.



With lblst
 .BackColor = 6381921
 .ForeColor = 6670333
End With

End Function
_______________________________________________________________________

Thank you!

John W Clark





From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Mon Aug  1 10:09:11 2005
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (DWUTKA at marlow.com)
Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 10:09:11 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Error 550
Message-ID: <123701F54509D9119A4F00D0B747349016DB83@main2.marlow.com>

Ok.  Didn't catch that the first time.  Is mail.colbyconsulting.com 'local'?
I mean, is it residing where you are at, or is it the mail server of your
hosting company?

Drew

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Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2005 12:31 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Error 550


Yea, but it is more than that.  If I just send a test message to myself, it
just goes.  A few minutes later it comes back in just fine.  If I send to
one of these other places, it INSTANTLY gets this 550 error in my inbox.  If
I then change from using mail.colbyconsulting.com as the smtp server address
to the "local" smtp address (RR address) it goes out just fine.  So it is
not a case of "we don't like this destination".  It is just forcing me to
send through their mail server, but NOT when sending to my own mail server.
Truly odd don't you think?

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Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2005 12:51 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Error 550


It depends on how they have THEIR mail server setup.  With the onslaught of
spam, a lot of mail servers get down right finicky on what it will let
through.  I know my personal domain is/was blocked on several mail servers
because the IP's in my domain were listed as dynamic, instead of static,
which they WERE static.  If the domain of the email you are sending 'from'
doesn't match the IP's sending the mail, that's another big 'block'.  Then
there are several 'black lists' on the web, which store domains considered
to be spam.

Honestly, it's an issue that is a sore point for me (both spam, and the
methods used to block).  

Drew

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From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2005 11:43 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; Tech - Database
Advisors Inc.
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Error 550


Does anyone understand what is going on with email sent from inside of
specific networks.  Here's the situation...

I get the following error (as an example):

Your message did not reach some or all of the intended recipients.

      Subject:	RE: Logging in to George
      Sent:	7/29/2005 1:00 PM

The following recipient(s) could not be reached:

      'Jason Ralph' on 7/29/2005 1:00 PM
            550 not local host invohealthcare.com, not a gateway

>From my sister-in-law's house when I try to send to this specific 
>address,
using SMPT server mail.colbyconsulting.com.  If I send mail to myself I do
not get this problem (to jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com).  I have seen this
exact same symptom if sending from my client.  It never happened before from
my sister-in-law's but is now.

It turns out that if I look at her email smtp server
(mail.rochester.rr.com), and modify my smtp server to match it works.  It
appears that this is the classic port 25 blocking thing.  It is a royal PITA
to have to find out what the correct smtp server is, modify Outlook, and
send to that whenever I move from place to place.

At my previous host for MY WEB SITE, they had me set up to send on a
different port (26 maybe?) and then it worked regardless of where I was
since only port 25 was being blocked and my web email server
(mail.colbyconsulting.com) was expecting traffic on a different port.

The odd part here is that I can send to myself (always), i.e.
jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com.  That must go on port 25 as well, so why does
that go just fine, but not the other message?

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From Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org  Mon Aug  1 10:28:41 2005
From: Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 11:28:41 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] variable as object
Message-ID: <08F823FD83787D4BA0B99CA580AD3C74016C3BFC@TTNEXCHCL2.hshhp.com>

It looks like you're referring to your control via a string not a control object.  Try something like:

Me.Controls(lblst).BackColor

HTH

Jim DeMarco

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Clark
Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 10:37 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] variable as object


I am playing around with a new menu interface, and I am trying to
streamline it a bit, so that it may be reused for different menus with
different quantities of buttons. For instance my main menu has only
three buttons, while the reports menu has nine. Basically, I have
invisible buttons over labels, and I set the focus on a MouseMove and,
when the focus is set, I change the BackColor and ForeColor of the label
to emphasize the current button. I am trying to use the function below
to set all buttons to their default state, and then set the current
button to the "special" color scheme. However, I am getting the error
message, "Object Required" and it refers to both the with statements. If
I comment out these two statements and add in a "Label38.caption =
lblst" the caption of this test label does change properly as I move the
mouse over the buttons.

Can I please get a fresh set of eyes to point out my failing on this?


________________________________________________________________________________________________-

Public Function BtnChange(BtnNum As String, BtnQuan As Integer)

'***** I call this function from each of the OnFocus events of the
command buttons, using the syntax "BtnChange 1, 9"
'***** 1 is the actual button number and thus changes for each
button...they are named lbl01 to lbl09.
'***** 9 is the total num of buttons and does not change.

Dim x As Integer
Dim y As String
Dim lblst As Variant    '*** I did have this set to string, but have
changed in an effort to fix the problem ***

x = 1

While x < BtnQuan
    y = CStr(x)
    lblst = "lbl0" & y
    
    With lblst
        .BackColor = 10066329
        .ForeColor = 0
    End With
    
    x = x + 1
Wend

lblst = "lbl0" & BtnNum
Label38.Caption = lblst '*** this is just a test statement I put in to
verify up to a point.



With lblst
 .BackColor = 6381921
 .ForeColor = 6670333
End With

End Function
_______________________________________________________________________

Thank you!

John W Clark



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From John.Clark at niagaracounty.com  Mon Aug  1 11:08:15 2005
From: John.Clark at niagaracounty.com (John Clark)
Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2005 12:08:15 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] variable as object
Message-ID: <s2ee10cf.080@nebnov3.niagaracounty.com>

Thanks Jim. This seems to be it. I'm going to have to learn about the
control object a little more. I have run into similar problems other
times and just "went around" the problem, and I think this would have
helped me then too.

Take care!

John W Clark

>>> Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org 8/1/2005 11:28 AM >>>
It looks like you're referring to your control via a string not a
control object.  Try something like:

Me.Controls(lblst).BackColor

HTH

Jim DeMarco

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Clark
Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 10:37 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: [AccessD] variable as object


I am playing around with a new menu interface, and I am trying to
streamline it a bit, so that it may be reused for different menus with
different quantities of buttons. For instance my main menu has only
three buttons, while the reports menu has nine. Basically, I have
invisible buttons over labels, and I set the focus on a MouseMove and,
when the focus is set, I change the BackColor and ForeColor of the
label
to emphasize the current button. I am trying to use the function below
to set all buttons to their default state, and then set the current
button to the "special" color scheme. However, I am getting the error
message, "Object Required" and it refers to both the with statements.
If
I comment out these two statements and add in a "Label38.caption =
lblst" the caption of this test label does change properly as I move
the
mouse over the buttons.

Can I please get a fresh set of eyes to point out my failing on this?


________________________________________________________________________________________________-

Public Function BtnChange(BtnNum As String, BtnQuan As Integer)

'***** I call this function from each of the OnFocus events of the
command buttons, using the syntax "BtnChange 1, 9"
'***** 1 is the actual button number and thus changes for each
button...they are named lbl01 to lbl09.
'***** 9 is the total num of buttons and does not change.

Dim x As Integer
Dim y As String
Dim lblst As Variant    '*** I did have this set to string, but have
changed in an effort to fix the problem ***

x = 1

While x < BtnQuan
    y = CStr(x)
    lblst = "lbl0" & y
    
    With lblst
        .BackColor = 10066329
        .ForeColor = 0
    End With
    
    x = x + 1
Wend

lblst = "lbl0" & BtnNum
Label38.Caption = lblst '*** this is just a test statement I put in to
verify up to a point.



With lblst
 .BackColor = 6381921
 .ForeColor = 6670333
End With

End Function
_______________________________________________________________________

Thank you!

John W Clark



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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Aug  1 11:15:20 2005
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 09:15:20 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] mde....mdb format
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86873B63@infoserver01.infostat.local>

What click event on which object?  There are certainly things you can't
do in an mde/ade because of the nature of the container, so what exactly
is the event trying to do?

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: John Eget [mailto:joeget at vgernet.net] 
Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2005 5:02 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] mde....mdb format


I have correctly complied and ran a mdb database with no errors, yet
when i convert to mde i get the error pop that the command on a click
event is not available in a mde/ade format. has anyone came across this
before,  what happens when i create a mde?

Thanks for looking
John 
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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Aug  1 11:23:05 2005
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2005 18:23:05 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] variable as object
Message-ID: <s2ee68a4.000@cactus.dk>

Hi John

Also study the WithEvents Demo at Mr. Colby's site:

  http://www.colbyconsulting.com/

Applying WithEvents will bring your form to a new level.

/gustav


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Clark
Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 10:37 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: [AccessD] variable as object


I am playing around with a new menu interface, and I am trying to
streamline it a bit, so that it may be reused for different menus with
different quantities of buttons. For instance my main menu has only
three buttons, while the reports menu has nine. Basically, I have
invisible buttons over labels, and I set the focus on a MouseMove and,
when the focus is set, I change the BackColor and ForeColor of the
label to emphasize the current button. ..



From Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org  Mon Aug  1 12:05:58 2005
From: Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 13:05:58 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] variable as object
Message-ID: <08F823FD83787D4BA0B99CA580AD3C74016C3C00@TTNEXCHCL2.hshhp.com>

I should have mentioned that if you want to assign the label to a variable (which your original code attempted to do) you can do it like this:

<snip>
Dim lblCurrent as Access.Label
Dim x As Integer

x = 1

While x < BtnQuan

    Set lblCurrent = Me.Controls("lbl10" & CStr(x))
    
    With lblCurrent 
        .BackColor = 10066329
        .ForeColor = 0
    End With
    
    x = x + 1
Wend
</snip>

Jim D.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Clark
Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 12:08 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] variable as object


Thanks Jim. This seems to be it. I'm going to have to learn about the
control object a little more. I have run into similar problems other
times and just "went around" the problem, and I think this would have
helped me then too.

Take care!

John W Clark

>>> Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org 8/1/2005 11:28 AM >>>
It looks like you're referring to your control via a string not a
control object.  Try something like:

Me.Controls(lblst).BackColor

HTH

Jim DeMarco

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Clark
Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 10:37 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: [AccessD] variable as object


I am playing around with a new menu interface, and I am trying to
streamline it a bit, so that it may be reused for different menus with
different quantities of buttons. For instance my main menu has only
three buttons, while the reports menu has nine. Basically, I have
invisible buttons over labels, and I set the focus on a MouseMove and,
when the focus is set, I change the BackColor and ForeColor of the
label
to emphasize the current button. I am trying to use the function below
to set all buttons to their default state, and then set the current
button to the "special" color scheme. However, I am getting the error
message, "Object Required" and it refers to both the with statements.
If
I comment out these two statements and add in a "Label38.caption =
lblst" the caption of this test label does change properly as I move
the
mouse over the buttons.

Can I please get a fresh set of eyes to point out my failing on this?


________________________________________________________________________________________________-

Public Function BtnChange(BtnNum As String, BtnQuan As Integer)

'***** I call this function from each of the OnFocus events of the
command buttons, using the syntax "BtnChange 1, 9"
'***** 1 is the actual button number and thus changes for each
button...they are named lbl01 to lbl09.
'***** 9 is the total num of buttons and does not change.

Dim x As Integer
Dim y As String
Dim lblst As Variant    '*** I did have this set to string, but have
changed in an effort to fix the problem ***

x = 1

While x < BtnQuan
    y = CStr(x)
    lblst = "lbl0" & y
    
    With lblst
        .BackColor = 10066329
        .ForeColor = 0
    End With
    
    x = x + 1
Wend

lblst = "lbl0" & BtnNum
Label38.Caption = lblst '*** this is just a test statement I put in to
verify up to a point.



With lblst
 .BackColor = 6381921
 .ForeColor = 6670333
End With

End Function
_______________________________________________________________________

Thank you!

John W Clark



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From John.Clark at niagaracounty.com  Mon Aug  1 12:58:54 2005
From: John.Clark at niagaracounty.com (John Clark)
Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2005 13:58:54 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] variable as object
Message-ID: <s2ee2aef.039@nebnov3.niagaracounty.com>

Yeah, thanks. I did figure this out, but it was your original answer
which pointed me to it.



>>> Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org 8/1/2005 1:05 PM >>>
I should have mentioned that if you want to assign the label to a
variable (which your original code attempted to do) you can do it like
this:

<snip>
Dim lblCurrent as Access.Label
Dim x As Integer

x = 1

While x < BtnQuan

    Set lblCurrent = Me.Controls("lbl10" & CStr(x))
    
    With lblCurrent 
        .BackColor = 10066329
        .ForeColor = 0
    End With
    
    x = x + 1
Wend
</snip>

Jim D.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Clark
Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 12:08 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: RE: [AccessD] variable as object


Thanks Jim. This seems to be it. I'm going to have to learn about the
control object a little more. I have run into similar problems other
times and just "went around" the problem, and I think this would have
helped me then too.

Take care!

John W Clark

>>> Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org 8/1/2005 11:28 AM >>>
It looks like you're referring to your control via a string not a
control object.  Try something like:

Me.Controls(lblst).BackColor

HTH

Jim DeMarco

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Clark
Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 10:37 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: [AccessD] variable as object


I am playing around with a new menu interface, and I am trying to
streamline it a bit, so that it may be reused for different menus with
different quantities of buttons. For instance my main menu has only
three buttons, while the reports menu has nine. Basically, I have
invisible buttons over labels, and I set the focus on a MouseMove and,
when the focus is set, I change the BackColor and ForeColor of the
label
to emphasize the current button. I am trying to use the function below
to set all buttons to their default state, and then set the current
button to the "special" color scheme. However, I am getting the error
message, "Object Required" and it refers to both the with statements.
If
I comment out these two statements and add in a "Label38.caption =
lblst" the caption of this test label does change properly as I move
the
mouse over the buttons.

Can I please get a fresh set of eyes to point out my failing on this?


________________________________________________________________________________________________-

Public Function BtnChange(BtnNum As String, BtnQuan As Integer)

'***** I call this function from each of the OnFocus events of the
command buttons, using the syntax "BtnChange 1, 9"
'***** 1 is the actual button number and thus changes for each
button...they are named lbl01 to lbl09.
'***** 9 is the total num of buttons and does not change.

Dim x As Integer
Dim y As String
Dim lblst As Variant    '*** I did have this set to string, but have
changed in an effort to fix the problem ***

x = 1

While x < BtnQuan
    y = CStr(x)
    lblst = "lbl0" & y
    
    With lblst
        .BackColor = 10066329
        .ForeColor = 0
    End With
    
    x = x + 1
Wend

lblst = "lbl0" & BtnNum
Label38.Caption = lblst '*** this is just a test statement I put in to
verify up to a point.



With lblst
 .BackColor = 6381921
 .ForeColor = 6670333
End With

End Function
_______________________________________________________________________

Thank you!

John W Clark



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the
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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Mon Aug  1 14:09:35 2005
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2005 12:09:35 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Error 550
References: <123701F54509D9119A4F00D0B747349016DB83@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <42EE736F.8000106@shaw.ca>

If you are running code as below, it will only run inside the domain of 
the ISP
unless you can find an open email server that will allow redirects.
ie.  your cable modem  is consider inside the domain of the ISP.
Also the SMTP running on your machine may do a quick redirect
local to your machine when checking the output email queue  to transmit.
Maybe just in case you bcc: yourself.


Here is another email method. I am not sure of all of the
ramifications of this method. One being your ISP may block.
Any comments?


'The example code is using CDOSYS (CDO for Windows 2000 or XP).
'I dont think I would want to go back to CDONTS for earlier systems
'It does not depend on MAPI or CDO or Outlook
'It does not use your mailbox to send email.
' So you can send mail without a mail program or mail account
' This code builds the message and drops it into a pickup directory,
' and the SMTP service running on the machine
' picks it up and send it out to the internet.

'So why use CDO code instead of Outlook automation or
Application.SendMail in VBA.
' It doesn't matter what Mail program you are using (It uses the
SMTP server).
' It doesn't matter what Office version you are using.
' supposedly you can send an object or file in the body of the mail
(some mail programs can't do this)
' haven't verified this
' You can send any file attachment you like.
' No Outlook Security warning so no need for Redemption
' You probably wont have your mail server full expanded smtp address
'If you go into netscape mail or outlook and look for the smtp name
'It will look like mine, "shawmail" or "shawnews" this dns resolves
'to "shawmail.cg.shawcable.net" CDO doesn't resolve this short name
so
'The quickest way to get this actual address without using registry
et al.
'is run cmd and ping "shawmail" to return full qualified smtp
address.
'This code wont run exactly unless you are on cable and signed on in
the Shaw or whatever is your domain, your cable modem is a node in
their domain

Sub SendCDO()
' This example use late binding of CDOSys, you don't have to set a
reference
' You must be online to net when you run the sub
' You must be running WinXP or Win2000
Dim cdoMessage As Object
Dim objCDOMail As Object
Dim strschema As String
On Error GoTo ErrorHandler ' Enable error-handling routine.
'
Set cdoMessage = CreateObject("CDO.Message")
Set objCDOMail = CreateObject("CDO.Configuration")
strschema = "http://schemas.microsoft.com/cdo/configuration/"
objCDOMail.Load -1 ' CDO Source Default
'If you have illegal or wrong smtp address here it will run for 30-
60 seconds and finally give transport error
With objCDOMail.Fields
.Item(strschema & "sendusing") = 2 ' cdoSendUsingPort
.Item(strschema & "smtpserver")
= "shawmail.cg.shawcable.net" ' "Your SMTP server address here"
.Item(strschema & "smtpserverport") = 25 'specify port number
.Update
End With

With cdoMessage
Set .Configuration = objCDOMail
.to = "macon at g..."
.From = "Winnie The Pooh <macon at s...>"
.CC = ""
.BCC = ""
.Subject = "This is another test from marty"
.TextBody = "This is the text in the body just cdo defaults"
.AddAttachment "C:\temp2\rptSampleCount.rtf"
.AddAttachment "C:\temp2\frontimage.jpeg"
.send
End With

Set cdoMessage = Nothing
Set objCDOMail = Nothing
Exit Sub ' Exit to avoid handler.
ErrorHandler: ' Error-handling routine.
Debug.Print Err.Number & "-" & Err.Description
Set cdoMessage = Nothing
Set objCDOMail = Nothing
Exit Sub
End Sub

DWUTKA at marlow.com wrote:

>Ok.  Didn't catch that the first time.  Is mail.colbyconsulting.com 'local'?
>I mean, is it residing where you are at, or is it the mail server of your
>hosting company?
>
>Drew
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
>Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2005 12:31 AM
>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Error 550
>
>
>Yea, but it is more than that.  If I just send a test message to myself, it
>just goes.  A few minutes later it comes back in just fine.  If I send to
>one of these other places, it INSTANTLY gets this 550 error in my inbox.  If
>I then change from using mail.colbyconsulting.com as the smtp server address
>to the "local" smtp address (RR address) it goes out just fine.  So it is
>not a case of "we don't like this destination".  It is just forcing me to
>send through their mail server, but NOT when sending to my own mail server.
>Truly odd don't you think?
>
>John W. Colby
>www.ColbyConsulting.com 
>
>Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
>http://folding.stanford.edu/
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of DWUTKA at marlow.com
>Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2005 12:51 AM
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Error 550
>
>
>It depends on how they have THEIR mail server setup.  With the onslaught of
>spam, a lot of mail servers get down right finicky on what it will let
>through.  I know my personal domain is/was blocked on several mail servers
>because the IP's in my domain were listed as dynamic, instead of static,
>which they WERE static.  If the domain of the email you are sending 'from'
>doesn't match the IP's sending the mail, that's another big 'block'.  Then
>there are several 'black lists' on the web, which store domains considered
>to be spam.
>
>Honestly, it's an issue that is a sore point for me (both spam, and the
>methods used to block).  
>
>Drew
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
>Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2005 11:43 PM
>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; Tech - Database
>Advisors Inc.
>Subject: [AccessD] OT: Error 550
>
>
>Does anyone understand what is going on with email sent from inside of
>specific networks.  Here's the situation...
>
>I get the following error (as an example):
>
>Your message did not reach some or all of the intended recipients.
>
>      Subject:	RE: Logging in to George
>      Sent:	7/29/2005 1:00 PM
>
>The following recipient(s) could not be reached:
>
>      'Jason Ralph' on 7/29/2005 1:00 PM
>            550 not local host invohealthcare.com, not a gateway
>
>>From my sister-in-law's house when I try to send to this specific 
>  
>
>>address,
>>    
>>
>using SMPT server mail.colbyconsulting.com.  If I send mail to myself I do
>not get this problem (to jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com).  I have seen this
>exact same symptom if sending from my client.  It never happened before from
>my sister-in-law's but is now.
>
>It turns out that if I look at her email smtp server
>(mail.rochester.rr.com), and modify my smtp server to match it works.  It
>appears that this is the classic port 25 blocking thing.  It is a royal PITA
>to have to find out what the correct smtp server is, modify Outlook, and
>send to that whenever I move from place to place.
>
>At my previous host for MY WEB SITE, they had me set up to send on a
>different port (26 maybe?) and then it worked regardless of where I was
>since only port 25 was being blocked and my web email server
>(mail.colbyconsulting.com) was expecting traffic on a different port.
>
>The odd part here is that I can send to myself (always), i.e.
>jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com.  That must go on port 25 as well, so why does
>that go just fine, but not the other message?
>
>John W. Colby
>www.ColbyConsulting.com 
>
>Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
>http://folding.stanford.edu/
>
>
>  
>

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From joeget at vgernet.net  Mon Aug  1 15:07:39 2005
From: joeget at vgernet.net (John Eget)
Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 16:07:39 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Fw: ICE - In Case of Emergency
Message-ID: <00a401c596d5$3a3a8000$efc2f63f@Desktop>

I put an underscore in front of my _ICE and also have _ICE1, _ICE2, and _IC#3

Subject: ICE - In Case of Emergency


http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/news/wabc_072605_icecellphone.html

 

Just wanted to share some good info if it's ever needed.

 

Mark

 


From Susan.Klos at fldoe.org  Mon Aug  1 15:16:21 2005
From: Susan.Klos at fldoe.org (Klos, Susan)
Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 16:16:21 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Find a record on a form
Message-ID: <D78B10E8D3277D42B76BD76569E52417D6441B@MAIL2.FLDOE.INT>

This is more complicated that just finding a record.  Let me explain my
situation.  I have three tables which are linked from Excel.  Someone
else periodically updates these tables.  I don't always know when they
are being updated.  I am trying to create a phone log form that uses a
tab control to show records from tblpeople on tab 1 and related calls on
tab 2.  tblpeople is populated from the three Excel tables as well as
from my input when I get a call from someone who is not in the tables.
My quandary is how to set a primary key to link the people with their
calls.  Then I want to be able to find these people on the form.  I
don't know whether to find by whole name, first name or last name in the
combo box.  Am I going to have to go to cascading combo boxes?  Adding a
new record goes back to what do I use for a primary key.  Further
complicating the issue is that many folks have more than one phone
number in the table and I want to put these in a separate phone table
and more than one responsibility which I want to put in a responsibility
table.  I know this is terribly complicated, but if anyone can give me
an idea how to set this up, I would be very appreciative.

 

Susan Klos

Senior Database Analyst

Evaluation and Reporting

Florida Department of Education

850-245-0708 

sc 205-0708

 



From dmcafee at pacbell.net  Mon Aug  1 15:36:38 2005
From: dmcafee at pacbell.net (dmcafee at pacbell.net)
Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 13:36:38 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Fw: ICE - In Case of Emergency
In-Reply-To: <00a401c596d5$3a3a8000$efc2f63f@Desktop>
Message-ID: <KDEHKEMIOHGKCDHLPPLKGECFFHAA.dmcafee@pacbell.net>

My sister in law just sent me this last week too. What's funny is I've
always added "Home" to my address book not only for that reason but if an
honest person ever found my lost cell phone.

oh, and try to carry ID at all times ;)

D

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Eget
Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 1:08 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Fw: ICE - In Case of Emergency


I put an underscore in front of my _ICE and also have _ICE1, _ICE2, and
_IC#3

Subject: ICE - In Case of Emergency


http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/news/wabc_072605_icecellphone.html



Just wanted to share some good info if it's ever needed.



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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Aug  1 17:12:52 2005
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2005 18:12:52 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Error 550
In-Reply-To: <123701F54509D9119A4F00D0B747349016DB83@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <001001c596e6$3a18de80$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

Mail.colbyconsulting.com is on the server of my hosting company.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of DWUTKA at marlow.com
Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 11:09 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Error 550


Ok.  Didn't catch that the first time.  Is mail.colbyconsulting.com 'local'?
I mean, is it residing where you are at, or is it the mail server of your
hosting company?

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2005 12:31 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Error 550


Yea, but it is more than that.  If I just send a test message to myself, it
just goes.  A few minutes later it comes back in just fine.  If I send to
one of these other places, it INSTANTLY gets this 550 error in my inbox.  If
I then change from using mail.colbyconsulting.com as the smtp server address
to the "local" smtp address (RR address) it goes out just fine.  So it is
not a case of "we don't like this destination".  It is just forcing me to
send through their mail server, but NOT when sending to my own mail server.
Truly odd don't you think?

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of DWUTKA at marlow.com
Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2005 12:51 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Error 550


It depends on how they have THEIR mail server setup.  With the onslaught of
spam, a lot of mail servers get down right finicky on what it will let
through.  I know my personal domain is/was blocked on several mail servers
because the IP's in my domain were listed as dynamic, instead of static,
which they WERE static.  If the domain of the email you are sending 'from'
doesn't match the IP's sending the mail, that's another big 'block'.  Then
there are several 'black lists' on the web, which store domains considered
to be spam.

Honestly, it's an issue that is a sore point for me (both spam, and the
methods used to block).  

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2005 11:43 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; Tech - Database
Advisors Inc.
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Error 550


Does anyone understand what is going on with email sent from inside of
specific networks.  Here's the situation...

I get the following error (as an example):

Your message did not reach some or all of the intended recipients.

      Subject:	RE: Logging in to George
      Sent:	7/29/2005 1:00 PM

The following recipient(s) could not be reached:

      'Jason Ralph' on 7/29/2005 1:00 PM
            550 not local host invohealthcare.com, not a gateway

>From my sister-in-law's house when I try to send to this specific
>address,
using SMPT server mail.colbyconsulting.com.  If I send mail to myself I do
not get this problem (to jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com).  I have seen this
exact same symptom if sending from my client.  It never happened before from
my sister-in-law's but is now.

It turns out that if I look at her email smtp server
(mail.rochester.rr.com), and modify my smtp server to match it works.  It
appears that this is the classic port 25 blocking thing.  It is a royal PITA
to have to find out what the correct smtp server is, modify Outlook, and
send to that whenever I move from place to place.

At my previous host for MY WEB SITE, they had me set up to send on a
different port (26 maybe?) and then it worked regardless of where I was
since only port 25 was being blocked and my web email server
(mail.colbyconsulting.com) was expecting traffic on a different port.

The odd part here is that I can send to myself (always), i.e.
jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com.  That must go on port 25 as well, so why does
that go just fine, but not the other message?

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From kimjwiggins at yahoo.com  Mon Aug  1 17:17:43 2005
From: kimjwiggins at yahoo.com (Kim Wiggins)
Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 15:17:43 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Problems with word Automation
Message-ID: <20050801221743.27831.qmail@web53609.mail.yahoo.com>

Hey everyone
Hope all is well.  I am not.  I coded an automation report in VB6 using Word and it works fine on my work laptop and my laptop at home.  But when I install it on the users computer, it gives me the standard application error and shuts down.  It says "My_app_name has encountered an error and must close" and then it offers to send a report.  Well that is flooring me because it runs in the development environment on both machines just fine.  
Can anyone think of anything that I am missing or overlooking?
Thanks
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From KP at sdsonline.net  Mon Aug  1 20:04:56 2005
From: KP at sdsonline.net (Kath Pelletti)
Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 11:04:56 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Runtime Vs Full Access Install
Message-ID: <003501c596fe$335141b0$6601a8c0@user>

William - maybe I have misunderstood. I thought that by including all dll's (or other files referred to in the vba references)  in the runtime install package, that it could then be standalone. By that I mean that it would run regardless of whether the user had (any version of Access) or not, as it is a packaged entity. 

Have I got that wrong? (And I am assuming using Sage / Wise)

Kath


----- Original Message ----- 
  From: William Hindman 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
  Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 3:26 PM
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Runtime Vs Full Access Install


  ..hhhmmm ...either I'm misreading you or there is a fundamental 
  misunderstanding somewhere in here ...a runtime mdb/mde is exactly the same 
  as a full install mdb/mde ...the difference is that Access itself is not 
  fully installed in a runtime ...the design/coding elements are not there so 
  a user can't change anything ...it runs exactly as you designed it to run.

  ..if you have an A97 mdb and an A2k runtime it should still run as long as 
  the references are there ...but the reverse is not true ...so I use startup 
  code to check the installed version and call the corresponding fe mdb/mde.

  ..if you invest in the wise install tools, they handle those issues much 
  better than the native Access distribution tools do and the default is to 
  let them do all the work for you.

  William



From ldoering at symphonyinfo.com  Mon Aug  1 22:44:17 2005
From: ldoering at symphonyinfo.com (Liz Doering)
Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 22:44:17 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Fw: ICE - In Case of Emergency
Message-ID: <855499653F55AD4190B242717DF132BC083019@dewey.Symphony.local>

This is probably OT, but my husband the paramedic was doubtful that ICE
would be helpful.  IF your phone makes it all the way to the emergency
room with you and IF you are otherwise unidentified,  then ER people
might find it helpful.  But paramedics are more concerned with you and
your injuries than with who you want notified.



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
dmcafee at pacbell.net
Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 3:46 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Fw: ICE - In Case of Emergency

My sister in law just sent me this last week too. What's funny is I've
always added "Home" to my address book not only for that reason but if
an
honest person ever found my lost cell phone.

oh, and try to carry ID at all times ;)

D

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Eget
Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 1:08 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Fw: ICE - In Case of Emergency


I put an underscore in front of my _ICE and also have _ICE1, _ICE2, and
_IC#3

Subject: ICE - In Case of Emergency


http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/news/wabc_072605_icecellphone.html



Just wanted to share some good info if it's ever needed.



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From dejpolsys at hotmail.com  Mon Aug  1 22:53:13 2005
From: dejpolsys at hotmail.com (William Hindman)
Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 23:53:13 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Runtime Vs Full Access Install
References: <003501c596fe$335141b0$6601a8c0@user>
Message-ID: <BAY103-DAV1605D362ED3F9B481F1494AEC20@phx.gbl>

Kath ...afaik the runtime is a "package" at install only ...but if a user 
subsequently installs full Access ...any version ...all bets are off because 
your runtime files integrity is dependent upon how the user does the install 
..a "default" install will screw your runtime more often than not because 
it defaults to removing older file versions, even if they are needed by your 
runtime ...Wise/Sage won't block that type of problem from happening either 
but when you reinstall your runtime they will handle the concurrent full 
version issues for you.

..I work with no full Access installs allowed on client systems with the 
exception of developer dedicated workstations ...and no "office" upgrades 
either even if they don't include Access, except by me ...the latter because 
the office vba modules share some common parts with Access vba.

..but I'll be the first to admit that most developers don't have that type 
of control over their app runtime environments and there may well be other, 
better ways to deal with it ...I just find that keeping it clean makes my 
life a lot simpler and my clients with a lot fewer problems.

William

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kath Pelletti" <KP at sdsonline.net>
To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 9:04 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Runtime Vs Full Access Install


William - maybe I have misunderstood. I thought that by including all dll's 
(or other files referred to in the vba references)  in the runtime install 
package, that it could then be standalone. By that I mean that it would run 
regardless of whether the user had (any version of Access) or not, as it is 
a packaged entity.

Have I got that wrong? (And I am assuming using Sage / Wise)

Kath


----- Original Message ----- 
  From: William Hindman
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
  Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 3:26 PM
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Runtime Vs Full Access Install


  ..hhhmmm ...either I'm misreading you or there is a fundamental
  misunderstanding somewhere in here ...a runtime mdb/mde is exactly the 
same
  as a full install mdb/mde ...the difference is that Access itself is not
  fully installed in a runtime ...the design/coding elements are not there 
so
  a user can't change anything ...it runs exactly as you designed it to run.

  ..if you have an A97 mdb and an A2k runtime it should still run as long as
  the references are there ...but the reverse is not true ...so I use 
startup
  code to check the installed version and call the corresponding fe mdb/mde.

  ..if you invest in the wise install tools, they handle those issues much
  better than the native Access distribution tools do and the default is to
  let them do all the work for you.

  William

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From jeff at boyes.net  Mon Aug  1 23:33:55 2005
From: jeff at boyes.net (Jeff)
Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 22:33:55 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] OT: ICE - In Case of Emergency
In-Reply-To: <855499653F55AD4190B242717DF132BC083019@dewey.Symphony.local>
Message-ID: <200508020433.j724XtR20165@databaseadvisors.com>


The ambulance service here said just today they will start training all
their employees to specifically look for this...so I guess it is all about
where you live...Of course, if _I_ come upon an accident scene, guess what I
am going to look for...

Better safe than sorry...

Jeff

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Liz Doering [mailto:ldoering at symphonyinfo.com] 
Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 9:44 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Fw: ICE - In Case of Emergency

This is probably OT, but my husband the paramedic was doubtful that ICE
would be helpful.  IF your phone makes it all the way to the emergency room
with you and IF you are otherwise unidentified,  then ER people might find
it helpful.  But paramedics are more concerned with you and your injuries
than with who you want notified.



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
dmcafee at pacbell.net
Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 3:46 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Fw: ICE - In Case of Emergency

My sister in law just sent me this last week too. What's funny is I've
always added "Home" to my address book not only for that reason but if an
honest person ever found my lost cell phone.

oh, and try to carry ID at all times ;)

D

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Eget
Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 1:08 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Fw: ICE - In Case of Emergency


I put an underscore in front of my _ICE and also have _ICE1, _ICE2, and
_IC#3

Subject: ICE - In Case of Emergency


http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/news/wabc_072605_icecellphone.html



Just wanted to share some good info if it's ever needed.



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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Tue Aug  2 00:28:50 2005
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2005 22:28:50 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Problems with word Automation
References: <20050801221743.27831.qmail@web53609.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <42EF0492.7020501@shaw.ca>

Are you using early or late binding.
 Set objWord = CreateObject("Word.Application")
or
 Set objWord =  New  Word.Application
Funny things may happen with early binding if newer versions of word  
installed and then uninstalled.

Kim Wiggins wrote:

>Hey everyone
>Hope all is well.  I am not.  I coded an automation report in VB6 using Word and it works fine on my work laptop and my laptop at home.  But when I install it on the users computer, it gives me the standard application error and shuts down.  It says "My_app_name has encountered an error and must close" and then it offers to send a report.  Well that is flooring me because it runs in the development environment on both machines just fine.  
>Can anyone think of anything that I am missing or overlooking?
>Thanks
>Kim
>
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From accessd666 at yahoo.com  Tue Aug  2 01:25:38 2005
From: accessd666 at yahoo.com (Sad Der)
Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 23:25:38 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] PassThrough (Creation/ Modification) Issues
Message-ID: <20050802062538.54680.qmail@web31611.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi group,

I've created a passthrough query. I searched the
Microsoft MSDN site and found several nice pieces of
code (see below). I modified them a bit for my
personal use.

I noticed the following:
- The 'ModifyQuery' works like a charm. It alters the
PTQ like it should and displays the records
accordingly.
- The 'CreatePassThroughQry'created a PTQ but I do not
see it in the database container. Where is it? When I
try to use the newly created PTQ as a recordsource it
does not display any records.
(I want to use the CreatePassThroughQry sub in my
multiuser environment!)

Does anybody know why the CreatePassThroughQry sub
does not work and why it does not show up in the
database container? The newly created query does show
when I loop the ADOX views!?

Url:
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dnacc2k/html/adocreateq.asp
Regards,

SD
-------------------------------------
Public Sub ModifyQuery(strDBPath As String, _
                strQryName As String, _
                strSQL As String)
   Dim catDB As ADOX.Catalog
   Dim cmd   As ADODB.Command
   
   Set catDB = New ADOX.Catalog
   ' Open the Catalog object.
   'catDB.ActiveConnection =
"Provider=Microsoft.Jet.OLEDB.4.0;" & _
      "Data Source=" & strDBPath
   catDB.ActiveConnection = CurrentProject.Connection
   
   Set cmd = New ADODB.Command
   ' Get the query from the Procedures collection.
   Set cmd = catDB.Procedures(strQryName).Command
   
   ' Update the query's SQL statement.
   cmd.CommandText = strSQL
   
   'Save the updated query.
   Set catDB.Procedures(strQryName).Command = cmd
   
   Set catDB = Nothing
End Sub

Public Function CreatePassThroughQry(strSQL As String,
_
                         strODBCConnect As String) As
String
   Dim catDB   As ADOX.Catalog
   Dim cmd     As ADODB.Command
   Dim varProp As Variant
   Dim strQryName As String
   Dim oGeninf As cGenInf
   Set oGeninf = New cGenInf
   
   Set catDB = New ADOX.Catalog
   ' Open the Catalog object.
   catDB.ActiveConnection = CurrentProject.Connection
   

   Set cmd = New ADODB.Command
   ' Define SQL statement for query and set
provider-specific
   ' properties for query type and ODBC connection
string.
   With cmd
      .ActiveConnection = catDB.ActiveConnection
      .CommandText = strSQL
      .Properties("Jet OLEDB:ODBC Pass-Through
Statement") = True
      .Properties("Jet OLEDB:Pass Through Query
Connect String") = strODBCConnect
   End With
   
   strQryName = oGeninf.UserName & Format(Now(),
"_hhmmss") & "_tmp"
   ' Name and save query to Procedures collection.
   catDB.Procedures.Append strQryName, cmd
   CreatePassThroughQry = strQryName
   Set catDB = Nothing
End Function

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Aug  2 06:31:20 2005
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2005 07:31:20 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: ICE - In Case of Emergency
In-Reply-To: <200508020433.j724XtR20165@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <003e01c59755$b4d80f00$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

Plus, ICE information could include your name, allergies, medical conditions
etc.  It doesn't have to be just phone numbers to call, though it should
include that.

John W. Colby
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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jeff
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 12:34 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] OT: ICE - In Case of Emergency



The ambulance service here said just today they will start training all
their employees to specifically look for this...so I guess it is all about
where you live...Of course, if _I_ come upon an accident scene, guess what I
am going to look for...

Better safe than sorry...

Jeff

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Liz Doering [mailto:ldoering at symphonyinfo.com] 
Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 9:44 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Fw: ICE - In Case of Emergency

This is probably OT, but my husband the paramedic was doubtful that ICE
would be helpful.  IF your phone makes it all the way to the emergency room
with you and IF you are otherwise unidentified,  then ER people might find
it helpful.  But paramedics are more concerned with you and your injuries
than with who you want notified.



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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
dmcafee at pacbell.net
Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 3:46 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Fw: ICE - In Case of Emergency

My sister in law just sent me this last week too. What's funny is I've
always added "Home" to my address book not only for that reason but if an
honest person ever found my lost cell phone.

oh, and try to carry ID at all times ;)

D

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Eget
Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 1:08 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Fw: ICE - In Case of Emergency


I put an underscore in front of my _ICE and also have _ICE1, _ICE2, and
_IC#3

Subject: ICE - In Case of Emergency


http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/news/wabc_072605_icecellphone.html



Just wanted to share some good info if it's ever needed.



Mark


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From bhorn at pivot-mds.com  Tue Aug  2 07:21:59 2005
From: bhorn at pivot-mds.com (Bruce Horn)
Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2005 08:21:59 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] PERL to ASP project
Message-ID: <6.2.3.4.0.20050802081139.02897490@pop.business.earthlink.net>

Hello List -

We  have a couple of projects that require PERL to ASP expertise for 
one of our clients.
The immediate project is to complete the transition of the client's 
web presence from UNIX to Windows Server platform.

If anyone is interested please contact me off-list for more details.

Regards,
- Bruce Horn

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From prodevmg at yahoo.com  Tue Aug  2 07:35:00 2005
From: prodevmg at yahoo.com (Lonnie Johnson)
Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 05:35:00 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Writing to an excel file
Message-ID: <20050802123500.12109.qmail@web33104.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I have a recordset that I would like to write as rows in an excel spreadsheet. 
 
I want to start on a certain line. 
 
The columns are already predefined and match my recordset. 
 
This will run each month so it will need to overwrite the prior month's data.
 
What is the best way to go about this?



May God bless you beyond your imagination!
Lonnie Johnson
ProDev, Professional Development of MS Access Databases
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From vrm at tim-cms.com  Tue Aug  2 08:58:49 2005
From: vrm at tim-cms.com (| Marcel Vreuls)
Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 15:58:49 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Writing to an excel file
In-Reply-To: <20050802123500.12109.qmail@web33104.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <005501c5976a$4f2acde0$6c61fea9@GALAXY.local>

Lonnie,

I use the following function for all export to XL. The sql string you can
replace with query, SP or sql string with header information. The
objProgress is a progressbar you can replace with your own one.

Public Function fncExportNaarExcel(strSQL As String)
On Error Resume Next
 'ivm het eventueel niet aanwezig zijn van de exporteren query

    If strSQL = "" Or IsNull(strSQL) Then
        MsgBox "Er kunnen geen gegevens gevonden worden", vbInformation,
OopMsgboxHeader
        Exit Function
        Else

        Dim objProgress As New clsProgress
        Dim daodatabase As DAO.database
        Set daodatabase = CurrentDb()

        objProgress.ShowProgress
        objProgress.TextMsg = "Collect data..."

        daodatabase.QueryDefs.Delete ("Exporteren")

        objProgress.TextMsg = "Exporteren data..."

        daodatabase.CreateQueryDef "Exporteren", strSQL

        objProgress.TextMsg = "Start Microsoft Excel..."

        DoCmd.OutputTo acOutputQuery, "Exporteren", acFormatXLS,
"c:\export.xls", True

        objProgress.HideProgress

        Set objProgress = Nothing
    End If

   Exit Function

End function

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Lonnie Johnson
Sent: dinsdag 2 augustus 2005 14:35
To: AccessD solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Writing to an excel file


I have a recordset that I would like to write as rows in an excel
spreadsheet.

I want to start on a certain line.

The columns are already predefined and match my recordset.

This will run each month so it will need to overwrite the prior month's
data.

What is the best way to go about this?



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Visit me at ==> http://www.prodev.us












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From vrm at tim-cms.com  Tue Aug  2 09:13:25 2005
From: vrm at tim-cms.com (| Marcel Vreuls)
Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 16:13:25 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Problems with word Automation
In-Reply-To: <20050801221743.27831.qmail@web53609.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <008801c5976c$594b81f0$6c61fea9@GALAXY.local>

Kim,

I had the same experience once. This was because of early binding problem
(direct crash of the app) and a different office version (reason why). I had
office 97 on my development envirnment. This all works fine. on the client
machine it crashes. Due to the fact that de client had office 2000 or
higher. I fixed it with delivering the word 97 OLB with the application
because i would not make a seperate version of my app for each office
version.

Built in proper logging with the debug option. It should give you a lot of
information.



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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Kim Wiggins
Sent: dinsdag 2 augustus 2005 0:18
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Problems with word Automation


Hey everyone
Hope all is well.  I am not.  I coded an automation report in VB6 using Word
and it works fine on my work laptop and my laptop at home.  But when I
install it on the users computer, it gives me the standard application error
and shuts down.  It says "My_app_name has encountered an error and must
close" and then it offers to send a report.  Well that is flooring me
because it runs in the development environment on both machines just fine.
Can anyone think of anything that I am missing or overlooking?
Thanks
Kim


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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Aug  2 09:25:35 2005
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2005 16:25:35 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Writing to an excel file
Message-ID: <s2ef9e88.019@cactus.dk>

Hi Lonnie

If you fill in the same amount of rows it should be quite easy:

1. In the worksheet, create a Named Range covering the rows and columns
you write to.
2. Attach (link) that Named Range as a table in Access as, say,
xlsMonthData.
3. In Access, use an update query to update the table xlsMonthData.

If you write in fewer records (rows) than already filled, it is
slightly more complicated as you cannot delete the excessive rows;
you'll have to erase the table field by field by a double loop in VBA
which nulls out field by field, row by row before you run the update
query. 

Of course, if you prefer, you can use VBA also to update the table
avoiding the update query.

/gustav

>>> prodevmg at yahoo.com 08/02 2:35 pm >>>
I have a recordset that I would like to write as rows in an excel
spreadsheet. 
 
I want to start on a certain line. 
 
The columns are already predefined and match my recordset. 
 
This will run each month so it will need to overwrite the prior month's
data.
 
What is the best way to go about this?



From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com  Tue Aug  2 09:33:23 2005
From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 10:33:23 -0400 
Subject: [AccessD] Writing to an excel file
Message-ID: <1D7828CDB8350747AFE9D69E0E90DA1F13D6DF89@xlivmbx21.aig.com>

I think the simplest way for you to handle this is to define a Named Range
inside the Excel file which includes the column names and the rows to which
you will want to write data.

That done you can then go through the menu choices File/Get External
Date/Link Tables and select the Excel file as your source. Then in the link
table dialog check the 'Show Named Ranged' option and choose the range you
defined. On the next screen hit the 'First Row Contains Column Headings'
check box, and you are done. The range now shows up as a linked table and
you can write to it using VBA. 

It seems you cannot just use append queries as that would require adding
rows to the worksheet. So you get an error stating that the 'Spreadsheet is
full'.

However VBA works just fine. Here is some code I just threw together that
does the trick...

Sub WriteExcel()
Dim db As DAO.Database
Dim rs As DAO.Recordset
Dim rsout As DAO.Recordset
Dim n As Long
    Set db = CurrentDb
    Set rs = db.OpenRecordset("testQry", dbOpenDynaset)
	' testQry is just a simple select query that returns the correct
	' number of columns for this test. i.e. the name number as the named
range has.
    Set rsout = db.OpenRecordset("Excel_Sheet_Area", dbOpenDynaset)
	' Excel_Sheet_Area is a linked 'table' that uses a named range in
the spreadsheet
	' to ensure the data is written to the correct starting row. 
	' The range covers X columns and all the rows from the start row to
the end
	' of the worksheet.

    rsout.MoveFirst
    rs.MoveFirst
    With rs
        While Not .EOF
            rsout.Edit
		' I don't care about the field names as the query has the
right number
		' of columns. So I just write out the data accessing it via
the field number.
            For n = 0 To rsout.Fields.Count - 1
                rsout.Fields(n) = .Fields(n)
            Next n
            rsout.Update
            rsout.MoveNext
            .MoveNext
        Wend
    End With
    rsout.Close
    rs.Close
    Set rs = Nothing
    Set rsout = Nothing
    Set db = Nothing
End Sub

Lambert

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lonnie Johnson
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 8:35 AM
To: AccessD solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Writing to an excel file


I have a recordset that I would like to write as rows in an excel
spreadsheet. 
 
I want to start on a certain line. 
 
The columns are already predefined and match my recordset. 
 
This will run each month so it will need to overwrite the prior month's
data.
 
What is the best way to go about this?



May God bless you beyond your imagination!
Lonnie Johnson
ProDev, Professional Development of MS Access Databases
Visit me at ==> http://www.prodev.us





 





		
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From ssharkins at bellsouth.net  Tue Aug  2 09:40:09 2005
From: ssharkins at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 10:40:09 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] PassThrough (Creation/ Modification) Issues
In-Reply-To: <20050802062538.54680.qmail@web31611.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20050802144012.UGPX3975.ibm66aec.bellsouth.net@SUSANONE>

The most likely reason is that the code doesn't comply with the data source.
Remember, a pass-thru isn't necessarily Jet SQL -- it's whatever the source
requires. 

Susan H. 

Hi group,

I've created a passthrough query. I searched the Microsoft MSDN site and
found several nice pieces of code (see below). I modified them a bit for my
personal use.

I noticed the following:
- The 'ModifyQuery' works like a charm. It alters the PTQ like it should and
displays the records accordingly.
- The 'CreatePassThroughQry'created a PTQ but I do not see it in the
database container. Where is it? When I try to use the newly created PTQ as
a recordsource it does not display any records.
(I want to use the CreatePassThroughQry sub in my multiuser environment!)

Does anybody know why the CreatePassThroughQry sub does not work and why it
does not show up in the database container? The newly created query does
show when I loop the ADOX views!?

Url:
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dnacc2k/htm
l/adocreateq.asp
Regards,

SD
-------------------------------------
Public Sub ModifyQuery(strDBPath As String, _
                strQryName As String, _
                strSQL As String)
   Dim catDB As ADOX.Catalog
   Dim cmd   As ADODB.Command
   
   Set catDB = New ADOX.Catalog
   ' Open the Catalog object.
   'catDB.ActiveConnection =
"Provider=Microsoft.Jet.OLEDB.4.0;" & _
      "Data Source=" & strDBPath
   catDB.ActiveConnection = CurrentProject.Connection
   
   Set cmd = New ADODB.Command
   ' Get the query from the Procedures collection.
   Set cmd = catDB.Procedures(strQryName).Command
   
   ' Update the query's SQL statement.
   cmd.CommandText = strSQL
   
   'Save the updated query.
   Set catDB.Procedures(strQryName).Command = cmd
   
   Set catDB = Nothing
End Sub

Public Function CreatePassThroughQry(strSQL As String, _
                         strODBCConnect As String) As String
   Dim catDB   As ADOX.Catalog
   Dim cmd     As ADODB.Command
   Dim varProp As Variant
   Dim strQryName As String
   Dim oGeninf As cGenInf
   Set oGeninf = New cGenInf
   
   Set catDB = New ADOX.Catalog
   ' Open the Catalog object.
   catDB.ActiveConnection = CurrentProject.Connection
   

   Set cmd = New ADODB.Command
   ' Define SQL statement for query and set provider-specific
   ' properties for query type and ODBC connection string.
   With cmd
      .ActiveConnection = catDB.ActiveConnection
      .CommandText = strSQL
      .Properties("Jet OLEDB:ODBC Pass-Through
Statement") = True
      .Properties("Jet OLEDB:Pass Through Query Connect String") =
strODBCConnect
   End With
   
   strQryName = oGeninf.UserName & Format(Now(),
"_hhmmss") & "_tmp"
   ' Name and save query to Procedures collection.
   catDB.Procedures.Append strQryName, cmd
   CreatePassThroughQry = strQryName
   Set catDB = Nothing
End Function

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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Tue Aug  2 10:09:11 2005
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (DWUTKA at marlow.com)
Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 10:09:11 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Error 550
Message-ID: <123701F54509D9119A4F00D0B747349016DB94@main2.marlow.com>

I see.  Okay, so they have a problem with THEIR smtp setup.  They may not be
setup as a mail forwarder, which means when you send email to yourself, you
are hitting their smtp server, and it is accepting email for it's domain,
but when you are trying to send mail to another server, it refuses, because
then it has to 'forward' your email.  Most mailservers won't forward,
without authentication, do you use a name and password in your smtp setup?

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 5:13 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Error 550


Mail.colbyconsulting.com is on the server of my hosting company.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of DWUTKA at marlow.com
Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 11:09 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Error 550


Ok.  Didn't catch that the first time.  Is mail.colbyconsulting.com 'local'?
I mean, is it residing where you are at, or is it the mail server of your
hosting company?

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2005 12:31 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Error 550


Yea, but it is more than that.  If I just send a test message to myself, it
just goes.  A few minutes later it comes back in just fine.  If I send to
one of these other places, it INSTANTLY gets this 550 error in my inbox.  If
I then change from using mail.colbyconsulting.com as the smtp server address
to the "local" smtp address (RR address) it goes out just fine.  So it is
not a case of "we don't like this destination".  It is just forcing me to
send through their mail server, but NOT when sending to my own mail server.
Truly odd don't you think?

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of DWUTKA at marlow.com
Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2005 12:51 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Error 550


It depends on how they have THEIR mail server setup.  With the onslaught of
spam, a lot of mail servers get down right finicky on what it will let
through.  I know my personal domain is/was blocked on several mail servers
because the IP's in my domain were listed as dynamic, instead of static,
which they WERE static.  If the domain of the email you are sending 'from'
doesn't match the IP's sending the mail, that's another big 'block'.  Then
there are several 'black lists' on the web, which store domains considered
to be spam.

Honestly, it's an issue that is a sore point for me (both spam, and the
methods used to block).  

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2005 11:43 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; Tech - Database
Advisors Inc.
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Error 550


Does anyone understand what is going on with email sent from inside of
specific networks.  Here's the situation...

I get the following error (as an example):

Your message did not reach some or all of the intended recipients.

      Subject:	RE: Logging in to George
      Sent:	7/29/2005 1:00 PM

The following recipient(s) could not be reached:

      'Jason Ralph' on 7/29/2005 1:00 PM
            550 not local host invohealthcare.com, not a gateway

>From my sister-in-law's house when I try to send to this specific
>address,
using SMPT server mail.colbyconsulting.com.  If I send mail to myself I do
not get this problem (to jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com).  I have seen this
exact same symptom if sending from my client.  It never happened before from
my sister-in-law's but is now.

It turns out that if I look at her email smtp server
(mail.rochester.rr.com), and modify my smtp server to match it works.  It
appears that this is the classic port 25 blocking thing.  It is a royal PITA
to have to find out what the correct smtp server is, modify Outlook, and
send to that whenever I move from place to place.

At my previous host for MY WEB SITE, they had me set up to send on a
different port (26 maybe?) and then it worked regardless of where I was
since only port 25 was being blocked and my web email server
(mail.colbyconsulting.com) was expecting traffic on a different port.

The odd part here is that I can send to myself (always), i.e.
jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com.  That must go on port 25 as well, so why does
that go just fine, but not the other message?

John W. Colby
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From jimdettman at earthlink.net  Tue Aug  2 10:17:18 2005
From: jimdettman at earthlink.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 11:17:18 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] PassThrough (Creation/ Modification) Issues
In-Reply-To: <20050802062538.54680.qmail@web31611.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <NDEALJOEGMMPCDKIFGNFKEIAEGAA.jimdettman@earthlink.net>

SD,

<<Does anybody know why the CreatePassThroughQry sub
does not work and why it does not show up in the
database container?>>

 Read the first paragraph of the link you posted (the one that says
"Important"<g>).

Jim.

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Sad Der
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 2:26 AM
To: Acces User Group
Subject: [AccessD] PassThrough (Creation/ Modification) Issues


Hi group,

I've created a passthrough query. I searched the
Microsoft MSDN site and found several nice pieces of
code (see below). I modified them a bit for my
personal use.

I noticed the following:
- The 'ModifyQuery' works like a charm. It alters the
PTQ like it should and displays the records
accordingly.
- The 'CreatePassThroughQry'created a PTQ but I do not
see it in the database container. Where is it? When I
try to use the newly created PTQ as a recordsource it
does not display any records.
(I want to use the CreatePassThroughQry sub in my
multiuser environment!)

Does anybody know why the CreatePassThroughQry sub
does not work and why it does not show up in the
database container? The newly created query does show
when I loop the ADOX views!?

Url:
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dnacc2k/htm
l/adocreateq.asp
Regards,

SD
-------------------------------------
Public Sub ModifyQuery(strDBPath As String, _
                strQryName As String, _
                strSQL As String)
   Dim catDB As ADOX.Catalog
   Dim cmd   As ADODB.Command

   Set catDB = New ADOX.Catalog
   ' Open the Catalog object.
   'catDB.ActiveConnection =
"Provider=Microsoft.Jet.OLEDB.4.0;" & _
      "Data Source=" & strDBPath
   catDB.ActiveConnection = CurrentProject.Connection

   Set cmd = New ADODB.Command
   ' Get the query from the Procedures collection.
   Set cmd = catDB.Procedures(strQryName).Command

   ' Update the query's SQL statement.
   cmd.CommandText = strSQL

   'Save the updated query.
   Set catDB.Procedures(strQryName).Command = cmd

   Set catDB = Nothing
End Sub

Public Function CreatePassThroughQry(strSQL As String,
_
                         strODBCConnect As String) As
String
   Dim catDB   As ADOX.Catalog
   Dim cmd     As ADODB.Command
   Dim varProp As Variant
   Dim strQryName As String
   Dim oGeninf As cGenInf
   Set oGeninf = New cGenInf

   Set catDB = New ADOX.Catalog
   ' Open the Catalog object.
   catDB.ActiveConnection = CurrentProject.Connection


   Set cmd = New ADODB.Command
   ' Define SQL statement for query and set
provider-specific
   ' properties for query type and ODBC connection
string.
   With cmd
      .ActiveConnection = catDB.ActiveConnection
      .CommandText = strSQL
      .Properties("Jet OLEDB:ODBC Pass-Through
Statement") = True
      .Properties("Jet OLEDB:Pass Through Query
Connect String") = strODBCConnect
   End With

   strQryName = oGeninf.UserName & Format(Now(),
"_hhmmss") & "_tmp"
   ' Name and save query to Procedures collection.
   catDB.Procedures.Append strQryName, cmd
   CreatePassThroughQry = strQryName
   Set catDB = Nothing
End Function

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From Rich_Lavsa at pghcorning.com  Tue Aug  2 10:28:21 2005
From: Rich_Lavsa at pghcorning.com (Lavsa, Rich)
Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 11:28:21 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] PassThrough (Creation/ Modification) Issues
Message-ID: <2A261FF9D5EBCA46940C11688CE872EE026C9D3D@goexchange2.pghcorning.com>

I get the idea of what you are trying to do but I'm not sure what you
are trying to accomplish.  

I have a very similar routine "ModifyQuery", that I use to alter a
"Template" or "Standard" PTQ.  I can dynamically create a sql statement
in its correct syntax Oracle, TSQL, or JET then alter the appropriate
PTQ to insert the correct sql to execute.  

At that point you can call your report, ListBox, Forms, Queries..
whatever, which then looks at your dynamically altered PTQ.  But again I
am not sure what you are trying to do.  If you are trying to be neat and
clean, I'd suggest keeping a Template or Standard PTQ as it will retain
all the connection info in it once built then all you need to do is
alter the SQL Statemtent and you are good to go.  But again I'm guessing
on your end result.

Rich

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 10:40 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] PassThrough (Creation/ Modification) Issues


The most likely reason is that the code doesn't comply with the data
source. Remember, a pass-thru isn't necessarily Jet SQL -- it's whatever
the source requires. 

Susan H. 

Hi group,

I've created a passthrough query. I searched the Microsoft MSDN site and
found several nice pieces of code (see below). I modified them a bit for
my personal use.

I noticed the following:
- The 'ModifyQuery' works like a charm. It alters the PTQ like it should
and displays the records accordingly.
- The 'CreatePassThroughQry'created a PTQ but I do not see it in the
database container. Where is it? When I try to use the newly created PTQ
as a recordsource it does not display any records. (I want to use the
CreatePassThroughQry sub in my multiuser environment!)

Does anybody know why the CreatePassThroughQry sub does not work and why
it does not show up in the database container? The newly created query
does show when I loop the ADOX views!?

Url:
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dnacc2k
/htm
l/adocreateq.asp
Regards,

SD
-------------------------------------
Public Sub ModifyQuery(strDBPath As String, _
                strQryName As String, _
                strSQL As String)
   Dim catDB As ADOX.Catalog
   Dim cmd   As ADODB.Command
   
   Set catDB = New ADOX.Catalog
   ' Open the Catalog object.
   'catDB.ActiveConnection = "Provider=Microsoft.Jet.OLEDB.4.0;" & _
      "Data Source=" & strDBPath
   catDB.ActiveConnection = CurrentProject.Connection
   
   Set cmd = New ADODB.Command
   ' Get the query from the Procedures collection.
   Set cmd = catDB.Procedures(strQryName).Command
   
   ' Update the query's SQL statement.
   cmd.CommandText = strSQL
   
   'Save the updated query.
   Set catDB.Procedures(strQryName).Command = cmd
   
   Set catDB = Nothing
End Sub

Public Function CreatePassThroughQry(strSQL As String, _
                         strODBCConnect As String) As String
   Dim catDB   As ADOX.Catalog
   Dim cmd     As ADODB.Command
   Dim varProp As Variant
   Dim strQryName As String
   Dim oGeninf As cGenInf
   Set oGeninf = New cGenInf
   
   Set catDB = New ADOX.Catalog
   ' Open the Catalog object.
   catDB.ActiveConnection = CurrentProject.Connection
   

   Set cmd = New ADODB.Command
   ' Define SQL statement for query and set provider-specific
   ' properties for query type and ODBC connection string.
   With cmd
      .ActiveConnection = catDB.ActiveConnection
      .CommandText = strSQL
      .Properties("Jet OLEDB:ODBC Pass-Through
Statement") = True
      .Properties("Jet OLEDB:Pass Through Query Connect String") =
strODBCConnect
   End With
   
   strQryName = oGeninf.UserName & Format(Now(),
"_hhmmss") & "_tmp"
   ' Name and save query to Procedures collection.
   catDB.Procedures.Append strQryName, cmd
   CreatePassThroughQry = strQryName
   Set catDB = Nothing
End Function

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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Tue Aug  2 10:30:45 2005
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (DWUTKA at marlow.com)
Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 10:30:45 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] Writing to an excel file
Message-ID: <123701F54509D9119A4F00D0B747349016DB96@main2.marlow.com>

Do you want to start on the second line?  You can treat Excel as a recordset
with ADO.

Drew

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From: Lonnie Johnson [mailto:prodevmg at yahoo.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 7:35 AM
To: AccessD solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Writing to an excel file


I have a recordset that I would like to write as rows in an excel
spreadsheet. 
 
I want to start on a certain line. 
 
The columns are already predefined and match my recordset. 
 
This will run each month so it will need to overwrite the prior month's
data.
 
What is the best way to go about this?



May God bless you beyond your imagination!
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From kimjwiggins at yahoo.com  Tue Aug  2 10:35:29 2005
From: kimjwiggins at yahoo.com (Kim Wiggins)
Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 08:35:29 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Problems with word Automation
In-Reply-To: <42EF0492.7020501@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <20050802153529.41110.qmail@web53604.mail.yahoo.com>

I am using 
Set objWord = CreateObject("Word.Application")

Do you think that could be the problem?
Kim
 

MartyConnelly <martyconnelly at shaw.ca> wrote:
Are you using early or late binding.
Set objWord = CreateObject("Word.Application")
or
Set objWord = New Word.Application
Funny things may happen with early binding if newer versions of word 
installed and then uninstalled.

Kim Wiggins wrote:

>Hey everyone
>Hope all is well. I am not. I coded an automation report in VB6 using Word and it works fine on my work laptop and my laptop at home. But when I install it on the users computer, it gives me the standard application error and shuts down. It says "My_app_name has encountered an error and must close" and then it offers to send a report. Well that is flooring me because it runs in the development environment on both machines just fine. 
>Can anyone think of anything that I am missing or overlooking?
>Thanks
>Kim
>
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue Aug  2 10:40:23 2005
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 08:40:23 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Runtime Vs Full Access Install
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86873B6B@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Any confusion is probably in mixing issues of MDE/MDB and runtime.  The
two have nothing to do with each other.  The runtime includes the dlls
and licenses required to run an Access database without any particular
version of Access installed.  An MDE is a form of MDB that no longer
contains any code and does not allow some operations, regardless of
whether it is run using a runtime for full installed Access.  Does that
clear up the confusion?

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Kath Pelletti [mailto:KP at sdsonline.net] 
Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 6:05 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Runtime Vs Full Access Install


William - maybe I have misunderstood. I thought that by including all
dll's (or other files referred to in the vba references)  in the runtime
install package, that it could then be standalone. By that I mean that
it would run regardless of whether the user had (any version of Access)
or not, as it is a packaged entity. 

Have I got that wrong? (And I am assuming using Sage / Wise)

Kath


----- Original Message ----- 
  From: William Hindman 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
  Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 3:26 PM
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Runtime Vs Full Access Install


  ..hhhmmm ...either I'm misreading you or there is a fundamental 
  misunderstanding somewhere in here ...a runtime mdb/mde is exactly the
same 
  as a full install mdb/mde ...the difference is that Access itself is
not 
  fully installed in a runtime ...the design/coding elements are not
there so 
  a user can't change anything ...it runs exactly as you designed it to
run.

  ..if you have an A97 mdb and an A2k runtime it should still run as
long as 
  the references are there ...but the reverse is not true ...so I use
startup 
  code to check the installed version and call the corresponding fe
mdb/mde.

  ..if you invest in the wise install tools, they handle those issues
much 
  better than the native Access distribution tools do and the default is
to 
  let them do all the work for you.

  William

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From kimjwiggins at yahoo.com  Tue Aug  2 10:40:23 2005
From: kimjwiggins at yahoo.com (Kim Wiggins)
Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 08:40:23 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Problems with word Automation
In-Reply-To: <008801c5976c$594b81f0$6c61fea9@GALAXY.local>
Message-ID: <20050802154023.63301.qmail@web53602.mail.yahoo.com>

Thanks so much. I thought that it had something to do with that.  Did you then use late binding instead of early binding in that instance?  How can I tell which OLB to use with the version of word they have?  The OLB I used was Word 10.0 Object.  That was the only one available in my references on my version of VB6.  

| Marcel Vreuls <vrm at tim-cms.com> wrote:Kim,

I had the same experience once. This was because of early binding problem
(direct crash of the app) and a different office version (reason why). I had
office 97 on my development envirnment. This all works fine. on the client
machine it crashes. Due to the fact that de client had office 2000 or
higher. I fixed it with delivering the word 97 OLB with the application
because i would not make a seperate version of my app for each office
version.

Built in proper logging with the debug option. It should give you a lot of
information.



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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Kim Wiggins
Sent: dinsdag 2 augustus 2005 0:18
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Problems with word Automation


Hey everyone
Hope all is well. I am not. I coded an automation report in VB6 using Word
and it works fine on my work laptop and my laptop at home. But when I
install it on the users computer, it gives me the standard application error
and shuts down. It says "My_app_name has encountered an error and must
close" and then it offers to send a report. Well that is flooring me
because it runs in the development environment on both machines just fine.
Can anyone think of anything that I am missing or overlooking?
Thanks
Kim


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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue Aug  2 10:41:59 2005
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 08:41:59 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Fw: ICE - In Case of Emergency
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86873B6C@infoserver01.infostat.local>

I wear a medic-alert bracelet.  They're already trained to check that
and it has a phone number to access my emergency information as well as
my medical history.  I think that's more useful.

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Liz Doering [mailto:ldoering at symphonyinfo.com] 
Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 8:44 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Fw: ICE - In Case of Emergency


This is probably OT, but my husband the paramedic was doubtful that ICE
would be helpful.  IF your phone makes it all the way to the emergency
room with you and IF you are otherwise unidentified,  then ER people
might find it helpful.  But paramedics are more concerned with you and
your injuries than with who you want notified.



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
dmcafee at pacbell.net
Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 3:46 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Fw: ICE - In Case of Emergency

My sister in law just sent me this last week too. What's funny is I've
always added "Home" to my address book not only for that reason but if
an honest person ever found my lost cell phone.

oh, and try to carry ID at all times ;)

D

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Eget
Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 1:08 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Fw: ICE - In Case of Emergency


I put an underscore in front of my _ICE and also have _ICE1, _ICE2, and
_IC#3

Subject: ICE - In Case of Emergency


http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/news/wabc_072605_icecellphone.html



Just wanted to share some good info if it's ever needed.



Mark


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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue Aug  2 10:47:20 2005
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 08:47:20 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Runtime Vs Full Access Install
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86873B6D@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Then you're very fortunate to have that much control, William, but I
must disagree with you.  Your runtime files are NOT dependent on how the
user does an Access install unless you unwisely (no pun intended)
install the runtime in a generic location where it can be easily mucked
up.  We install the runtime files in their own directory and have not
run into any collisions with installed versions of Access, either before
or after the installation of the runtime.  We've been doing this for
years through multiple versions of Access (and Windows), so I think you
can say it is time tested.  

The only real issue with runtime and full install on the same machine is
that you MUST start the application using a shortcut that specifically
points to the runtime executable or Windows will try to load the last
full version of Access to open the database, whether or not it is
appropriate.

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: William Hindman [mailto:dejpolsys at hotmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 8:53 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Runtime Vs Full Access Install


Kath ...afaik the runtime is a "package" at install only ...but if a
user 
subsequently installs full Access ...any version ...all bets are off
because 
your runtime files integrity is dependent upon how the user does the
install 
..a "default" install will screw your runtime more often than not
because 
it defaults to removing older file versions, even if they are needed by
your 
runtime ...Wise/Sage won't block that type of problem from happening
either 
but when you reinstall your runtime they will handle the concurrent full

version issues for you.

..I work with no full Access installs allowed on client systems with the

exception of developer dedicated workstations ...and no "office"
upgrades 
either even if they don't include Access, except by me ...the latter
because 
the office vba modules share some common parts with Access vba.

..but I'll be the first to admit that most developers don't have that
type 
of control over their app runtime environments and there may well be
other, 
better ways to deal with it ...I just find that keeping it clean makes
my 
life a lot simpler and my clients with a lot fewer problems.

William

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kath Pelletti" <KP at sdsonline.net>
To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 9:04 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Runtime Vs Full Access Install


William - maybe I have misunderstood. I thought that by including all
dll's 
(or other files referred to in the vba references)  in the runtime
install 
package, that it could then be standalone. By that I mean that it would
run 
regardless of whether the user had (any version of Access) or not, as it
is 
a packaged entity.

Have I got that wrong? (And I am assuming using Sage / Wise)

Kath


----- Original Message ----- 
  From: William Hindman
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
  Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 3:26 PM
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Runtime Vs Full Access Install


  ..hhhmmm ...either I'm misreading you or there is a fundamental
  misunderstanding somewhere in here ...a runtime mdb/mde is exactly the

same
  as a full install mdb/mde ...the difference is that Access itself is
not
  fully installed in a runtime ...the design/coding elements are not
there 
so
  a user can't change anything ...it runs exactly as you designed it to
run.

  ..if you have an A97 mdb and an A2k runtime it should still run as
long as
  the references are there ...but the reverse is not true ...so I use 
startup
  code to check the installed version and call the corresponding fe
mdb/mde.

  ..if you invest in the wise install tools, they handle those issues
much
  better than the native Access distribution tools do and the default is
to
  let them do all the work for you.

  William

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From prodevmg at yahoo.com  Tue Aug  2 10:47:16 2005
From: prodevmg at yahoo.com (Lonnie Johnson)
Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 08:47:16 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Writing to an excel file
In-Reply-To: <123701F54509D9119A4F00D0B747349016DB96@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <20050802154717.23267.qmail@web33101.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I got it to work! With a little bit from here and a little from there this is what I am doing...
 
    On Error GoTo ErrControl
    
    DoCmd.SetWarnings False
    
    Dim db As DAO.Database
    Dim rs As DAO.Recordset 'records to be sent to the excel sheet
    Dim rsStatus As DAO.Recordset 'a list of all the statuses
    Dim qry As DAO.QueryDef 'used to define the query for the recordset we need to send to excel
    Dim strSQL As String 'used to hold the fields for exporting to excel
    Dim tabName As String 'the name of the tab in excel and the name of the query to export
    Dim outputFile As String 'destination excel file
    Dim monthlyCopy As String 'used to create a monthly copy of the file
    Dim i As Integer 'counter used to determine a new line in excel
    
    Set db = CurrentDb
    
    'select fields for excel sheet
    strSQL = "SELECT LNAME, FNAME, KAECSESID, [FROM], [TO], [PROCEDURE CODE], " _
            & "[DIAGNOSIS CODE], [UNIT RATE], UNITS, EXTENSION, [AUTHORIZATION NUMBER] " _
            & "FROM qryStandardBillingForm "
            
    'destination
    outputFile = "I:\DEPTDATA\BILLING FORM\BillingForm.xls"
    
    'open the excel spreadsheet
    Set xlsApp = CreateObject("Excel.Application")
    xlsApp.Visible = True
    xlsApp.UserControl = True
    xlsApp.Workbooks.Open (outputFile)
    
    '**************************************************************************************
    'Create HOSP tab of the excel spread sheet
    
    tabName = "HOSP"
    
    Set qry = db.CreateQueryDef(tabName, strSQL _
            & " WHERE PLCTYPE = 'HOSP' ORDER BY LNAME, FNAME")
    
    'select the appropriate tab
    Set xlsWSheet = xlsApp.Worksheets(tabName)
    xlsWSheet.Activate
    
    'select range to be cleared and clear it
    xlsApp.Range("A10:K65536").Select
    xlsApp.Selection.ClearContents
    
    'get records for the tab from our newly made query
    Set rs = db.OpenRecordset(tabName)
    
    i = 10 'set counter to the line of our excel worksheet where I want it to start writing
    
    Do Until rs.EOF
    
        xlsApp.ActiveSheet.Range("A" & i).Value = rs("LNAME")
        xlsApp.ActiveSheet.Range("B" & i).Value = rs("FNAME")
        xlsApp.ActiveSheet.Range("C" & i).Value = rs("KAECSESID")
        xlsApp.ActiveSheet.Range("D" & i).Value = rs("FROM")
        xlsApp.ActiveSheet.Range("E" & i).Value = rs("TO")
        xlsApp.ActiveSheet.Range("F" & i).Value = rs("PROCEDURE CODE")
        xlsApp.ActiveSheet.Range("G" & i).Value = rs("DIAGNOSIS CODE")
        xlsApp.ActiveSheet.Range("H" & i).Value = rs("UNIT RATE")
        xlsApp.ActiveSheet.Range("I" & i).Value = rs("UNITS")
        xlsApp.ActiveSheet.Range("J" & i).Value = rs("EXTENSION")
        xlsApp.ActiveSheet.Range("K" & i).Value = rs("AUTHORIZATION NUMBER")
        
        i = i + 1
    
    rs.MoveNext
    Loop
                                         
    DoCmd.DeleteObject acQuery, tabName 'trash the temporary query
    '**************************************************************************************
    

DWUTKA at marlow.com wrote:
Do you want to start on the second line? You can treat Excel as a recordset
with ADO.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Lonnie Johnson [mailto:prodevmg at yahoo.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 7:35 AM
To: AccessD solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Writing to an excel file


I have a recordset that I would like to write as rows in an excel
spreadsheet. 

I want to start on a certain line. 

The columns are already predefined and match my recordset. 

This will run each month so it will need to overwrite the prior month's
data.

What is the best way to go about this?



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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue Aug  2 10:49:00 2005
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 08:49:00 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT: ICE - In Case of Emergency
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86873B6E@infoserver01.infostat.local>

I repeat, Medic Alert, John.  That is specifically what it is for.

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 4:31 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: ICE - In Case of Emergency


Plus, ICE information could include your name, allergies, medical
conditions etc.  It doesn't have to be just phone numbers to call,
though it should include that.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jeff
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 12:34 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] OT: ICE - In Case of Emergency



The ambulance service here said just today they will start training all
their employees to specifically look for this...so I guess it is all
about where you live...Of course, if _I_ come upon an accident scene,
guess what I am going to look for...

Better safe than sorry...

Jeff

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Liz Doering [mailto:ldoering at symphonyinfo.com] 
Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 9:44 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Fw: ICE - In Case of Emergency

This is probably OT, but my husband the paramedic was doubtful that ICE
would be helpful.  IF your phone makes it all the way to the emergency
room with you and IF you are otherwise unidentified,  then ER people
might find it helpful.  But paramedics are more concerned with you and
your injuries than with who you want notified.



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
dmcafee at pacbell.net
Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 3:46 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Fw: ICE - In Case of Emergency

My sister in law just sent me this last week too. What's funny is I've
always added "Home" to my address book not only for that reason but if
an honest person ever found my lost cell phone.

oh, and try to carry ID at all times ;)

D

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Eget
Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 1:08 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Fw: ICE - In Case of Emergency


I put an underscore in front of my _ICE and also have _ICE1, _ICE2, and
_IC#3

Subject: ICE - In Case of Emergency


http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/news/wabc_072605_icecellphone.html



Just wanted to share some good info if it's ever needed.



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From ldoering at symphonyinfo.com  Tue Aug  2 11:28:15 2005
From: ldoering at symphonyinfo.com (Liz Doering)
Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 11:28:15 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: ICE - In Case of Emergency
Message-ID: <855499653F55AD4190B242717DF132BC083027@dewey.Symphony.local>

Medics would agree. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 11:01 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: ICE - In Case of Emergency

I repeat, Medic Alert, John.  That is specifically what it is for.

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 4:31 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: ICE - In Case of Emergency


Plus, ICE information could include your name, allergies, medical
conditions etc.  It doesn't have to be just phone numbers to call,
though it should include that.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jeff
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 12:34 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] OT: ICE - In Case of Emergency



The ambulance service here said just today they will start training all
their employees to specifically look for this...so I guess it is all
about where you live...Of course, if _I_ come upon an accident scene,
guess what I am going to look for...

Better safe than sorry...

Jeff

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Liz Doering [mailto:ldoering at symphonyinfo.com] 
Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 9:44 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Fw: ICE - In Case of Emergency

This is probably OT, but my husband the paramedic was doubtful that ICE
would be helpful.  IF your phone makes it all the way to the emergency
room with you and IF you are otherwise unidentified,  then ER people
might find it helpful.  But paramedics are more concerned with you and
your injuries than with who you want notified.



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
dmcafee at pacbell.net
Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 3:46 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Fw: ICE - In Case of Emergency

My sister in law just sent me this last week too. What's funny is I've
always added "Home" to my address book not only for that reason but if
an honest person ever found my lost cell phone.

oh, and try to carry ID at all times ;)

D

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Eget
Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 1:08 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Fw: ICE - In Case of Emergency


I put an underscore in front of my _ICE and also have _ICE1, _ICE2, and
_IC#3

Subject: ICE - In Case of Emergency


http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/news/wabc_072605_icecellphone.html



Just wanted to share some good info if it's ever needed.



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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue Aug  2 11:43:06 2005
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 09:43:06 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT: ICE - In Case of Emergency
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86873B70@infoserver01.infostat.local>

And the batteries never give out! <VBG>

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Liz Doering [mailto:ldoering at symphonyinfo.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 9:28 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: ICE - In Case of Emergency


Medics would agree. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 11:01 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: ICE - In Case of Emergency

I repeat, Medic Alert, John.  That is specifically what it is for.

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 4:31 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: ICE - In Case of Emergency


Plus, ICE information could include your name, allergies, medical
conditions etc.  It doesn't have to be just phone numbers to call,
though it should include that.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jeff
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 12:34 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] OT: ICE - In Case of Emergency



The ambulance service here said just today they will start training all
their employees to specifically look for this...so I guess it is all
about where you live...Of course, if _I_ come upon an accident scene,
guess what I am going to look for...

Better safe than sorry...

Jeff

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Liz Doering [mailto:ldoering at symphonyinfo.com] 
Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 9:44 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Fw: ICE - In Case of Emergency

This is probably OT, but my husband the paramedic was doubtful that ICE
would be helpful.  IF your phone makes it all the way to the emergency
room with you and IF you are otherwise unidentified,  then ER people
might find it helpful.  But paramedics are more concerned with you and
your injuries than with who you want notified.



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
dmcafee at pacbell.net
Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 3:46 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Fw: ICE - In Case of Emergency

My sister in law just sent me this last week too. What's funny is I've
always added "Home" to my address book not only for that reason but if
an honest person ever found my lost cell phone.

oh, and try to carry ID at all times ;)

D

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Eget
Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 1:08 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Fw: ICE - In Case of Emergency


I put an underscore in front of my _ICE and also have _ICE1, _ICE2, and
_IC#3

Subject: ICE - In Case of Emergency


http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/news/wabc_072605_icecellphone.html



Just wanted to share some good info if it's ever needed.



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From Developer at UltraDNT.com  Tue Aug  2 12:00:09 2005
From: Developer at UltraDNT.com (Steve Conklin (Developer@UltraDNT))
Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 13:00:09 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Runtime Vs Full Access Install
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86873B6D@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <003801c59783$a71af980$640fa8c0@CONKEY2000>

I agree with Charlotte, and have been using the same methods for a long
time.  I   do a runtime package for any mdb that I deliver, even the
user has/will use full Access, to ensure that everything, MSCOMCTL and
anything else DLL or OCX-wise, all goes in the application's folder, so
I don't have to worry about any upgraded components in \system32 or
anywhere else.

But I late-bind my Office calls to avoid problems with versioning; I
don't know the answer to Kath's original question concerning Front Page
calls.  Does Access runtime packager include the Office type-libs if
they are called in the application? I don't know - we can provide Access
apps to users w/o Access, but can we do a mail-merge if they don't have
Word? (doubt it)  Further, Front Page was pushed out of Office in ver.
2003,  I don't know if that has any baring on the answer or not.

Maybe late-binding the FP call, and trapping for "Object not created" is
the best answer regardless.


Just my .02,
Steve


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 11:47 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Runtime Vs Full Access Install


Then you're very fortunate to have that much control, William, but I
must disagree with you.  Your runtime files are NOT dependent on how the
user does an Access install unless you unwisely (no pun intended)
install the runtime in a generic location where it can be easily mucked
up.  We install the runtime files in their own directory and have not
run into any collisions with installed versions of Access, either before
or after the installation of the runtime.  We've been doing this for
years through multiple versions of Access (and Windows), so I think you
can say it is time tested.  

The only real issue with runtime and full install on the same machine is
that you MUST start the application using a shortcut that specifically
points to the runtime executable or Windows will try to load the last
full version of Access to open the database, whether or not it is
appropriate.

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: William Hindman [mailto:dejpolsys at hotmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 8:53 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Runtime Vs Full Access Install


Kath ...afaik the runtime is a "package" at install only ...but if a
user 
subsequently installs full Access ...any version ...all bets are off
because 
your runtime files integrity is dependent upon how the user does the
install 
..a "default" install will screw your runtime more often than not
because 
it defaults to removing older file versions, even if they are needed by
your 
runtime ...Wise/Sage won't block that type of problem from happening
either 
but when you reinstall your runtime they will handle the concurrent full

version issues for you.

..I work with no full Access installs allowed on client systems with the

exception of developer dedicated workstations ...and no "office"
upgrades 
either even if they don't include Access, except by me ...the latter
because 
the office vba modules share some common parts with Access vba.

..but I'll be the first to admit that most developers don't have that
type 
of control over their app runtime environments and there may well be
other, 
better ways to deal with it ...I just find that keeping it clean makes
my 
life a lot simpler and my clients with a lot fewer problems.

William

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kath Pelletti" <KP at sdsonline.net>
To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 9:04 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Runtime Vs Full Access Install


William - maybe I have misunderstood. I thought that by including all
dll's 
(or other files referred to in the vba references)  in the runtime
install 
package, that it could then be standalone. By that I mean that it would
run 
regardless of whether the user had (any version of Access) or not, as it
is 
a packaged entity.

Have I got that wrong? (And I am assuming using Sage / Wise)

Kath


----- Original Message ----- 
  From: William Hindman
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
  Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 3:26 PM
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Runtime Vs Full Access Install


  ..hhhmmm ...either I'm misreading you or there is a fundamental
  misunderstanding somewhere in here ...a runtime mdb/mde is exactly the

same
  as a full install mdb/mde ...the difference is that Access itself is
not
  fully installed in a runtime ...the design/coding elements are not
there 
so
  a user can't change anything ...it runs exactly as you designed it to
run.

  ..if you have an A97 mdb and an A2k runtime it should still run as
long as
  the references are there ...but the reverse is not true ...so I use 
startup
  code to check the installed version and call the corresponding fe
mdb/mde.

  ..if you invest in the wise install tools, they handle those issues
much
  better than the native Access distribution tools do and the default is
to
  let them do all the work for you.

  William

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue Aug  2 12:07:45 2005
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 10:07:45 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Runtime Vs Full Access Install
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86873B71@infoserver01.infostat.local>

The package can only include redistributable libraries.  I have no idea
whether the FP dlls are redistributable, but if they are not, then they
can't be included in the package, period.  In general, the libraries for
other Office apps are not redistributable.

Charlotte Foust


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From: Steve Conklin (Developer at UltraDNT) [mailto:Developer at ultradnt.com]

Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 10:00 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Runtime Vs Full Access Install


I agree with Charlotte, and have been using the same methods for a long
time.  I   do a runtime package for any mdb that I deliver, even the
user has/will use full Access, to ensure that everything, MSCOMCTL and
anything else DLL or OCX-wise, all goes in the application's folder, so
I don't have to worry about any upgraded components in \system32 or
anywhere else.

But I late-bind my Office calls to avoid problems with versioning; I
don't know the answer to Kath's original question concerning Front Page
calls.  Does Access runtime packager include the Office type-libs if
they are called in the application? I don't know - we can provide Access
apps to users w/o Access, but can we do a mail-merge if they don't have
Word? (doubt it)  Further, Front Page was pushed out of Office in ver.
2003,  I don't know if that has any baring on the answer or not.

Maybe late-binding the FP call, and trapping for "Object not created" is
the best answer regardless.


Just my .02,
Steve


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 11:47 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Runtime Vs Full Access Install


Then you're very fortunate to have that much control, William, but I
must disagree with you.  Your runtime files are NOT dependent on how the
user does an Access install unless you unwisely (no pun intended)
install the runtime in a generic location where it can be easily mucked
up.  We install the runtime files in their own directory and have not
run into any collisions with installed versions of Access, either before
or after the installation of the runtime.  We've been doing this for
years through multiple versions of Access (and Windows), so I think you
can say it is time tested.  

The only real issue with runtime and full install on the same machine is
that you MUST start the application using a shortcut that specifically
points to the runtime executable or Windows will try to load the last
full version of Access to open the database, whether or not it is
appropriate.

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: William Hindman [mailto:dejpolsys at hotmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 8:53 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Runtime Vs Full Access Install


Kath ...afaik the runtime is a "package" at install only ...but if a
user 
subsequently installs full Access ...any version ...all bets are off
because 
your runtime files integrity is dependent upon how the user does the
install 
..a "default" install will screw your runtime more often than not
because 
it defaults to removing older file versions, even if they are needed by
your 
runtime ...Wise/Sage won't block that type of problem from happening
either 
but when you reinstall your runtime they will handle the concurrent full

version issues for you.

..I work with no full Access installs allowed on client systems with the

exception of developer dedicated workstations ...and no "office"
upgrades 
either even if they don't include Access, except by me ...the latter
because 
the office vba modules share some common parts with Access vba.

..but I'll be the first to admit that most developers don't have that
type 
of control over their app runtime environments and there may well be
other, 
better ways to deal with it ...I just find that keeping it clean makes
my 
life a lot simpler and my clients with a lot fewer problems.

William

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kath Pelletti" <KP at sdsonline.net>
To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 9:04 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Runtime Vs Full Access Install


William - maybe I have misunderstood. I thought that by including all
dll's 
(or other files referred to in the vba references)  in the runtime
install 
package, that it could then be standalone. By that I mean that it would
run 
regardless of whether the user had (any version of Access) or not, as it
is 
a packaged entity.

Have I got that wrong? (And I am assuming using Sage / Wise)

Kath


----- Original Message ----- 
  From: William Hindman
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
  Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 3:26 PM
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Runtime Vs Full Access Install


  ..hhhmmm ...either I'm misreading you or there is a fundamental
  misunderstanding somewhere in here ...a runtime mdb/mde is exactly the

same
  as a full install mdb/mde ...the difference is that Access itself is
not
  fully installed in a runtime ...the design/coding elements are not
there 
so
  a user can't change anything ...it runs exactly as you designed it to
run.

  ..if you have an A97 mdb and an A2k runtime it should still run as
long as
  the references are there ...but the reverse is not true ...so I use 
startup
  code to check the installed version and call the corresponding fe
mdb/mde.

  ..if you invest in the wise install tools, they handle those issues
much
  better than the native Access distribution tools do and the default is
to
  let them do all the work for you.

  William

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From dejpolsys at hotmail.com  Tue Aug  2 12:38:13 2005
From: dejpolsys at hotmail.com (William Hindman)
Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 13:38:13 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Runtime Vs Full Access Install
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86873B6D@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <BAY103-DAV7701AFAD0922831E17C63AEC20@phx.gbl>

..hhhmmm ...the default runtime install using the Access ODE is to the same 
directory as a full install ...and that includes the WinSys32 directory 
..since I no longer allow full Access installs I've had no need to use Wise 
..installing the runtime to a different directory certainly makes sense but 
that would still leave the dlls and ocx's in the sys32 exposed unless Wise 
puts the alias' in the registry, something the ms runtime wizard certainly 
won't do.

..even with a runtime in a different directory and with aliased references, 
an A2k3 full install will ask if the user wants to remove previous versions 
and if the user oks it, will promptly remove an older runtime ...but then I 
suspect Wise has a way around that as well ...the long and short of it being 
that if you can't control the environment then Wise is a necessity, not a 
convenience.

..as with anything, you live and learn ...I'm an independent ...I don't 
need to and therefore don't take on clients that don't want to do it my way 
..makes my life much less complicated ...I don't envy anyone forced to deal 
with client controlled application environments ...especially notwork dba's 
on steroids who don't know their own jobs, much less mine ...been there, 
done that and like pissing into the wind, it doesn't take a repeat to know 
better.

..hope all this hasn't left Kath more confused :)

William

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 11:47 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Runtime Vs Full Access Install


> Then you're very fortunate to have that much control, William, but I
> must disagree with you.  Your runtime files are NOT dependent on how the
> user does an Access install unless you unwisely (no pun intended)
> install the runtime in a generic location where it can be easily mucked
> up.  We install the runtime files in their own directory and have not
> run into any collisions with installed versions of Access, either before
> or after the installation of the runtime.  We've been doing this for
> years through multiple versions of Access (and Windows), so I think you
> can say it is time tested.
>
> The only real issue with runtime and full install on the same machine is
> that you MUST start the application using a shortcut that specifically
> points to the runtime executable or Windows will try to load the last
> full version of Access to open the database, whether or not it is
> appropriate.
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: William Hindman [mailto:dejpolsys at hotmail.com]
> Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 8:53 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Runtime Vs Full Access Install
>
>
> Kath ...afaik the runtime is a "package" at install only ...but if a
> user
> subsequently installs full Access ...any version ...all bets are off
> because
> your runtime files integrity is dependent upon how the user does the
> install
> ..a "default" install will screw your runtime more often than not
> because
> it defaults to removing older file versions, even if they are needed by
> your
> runtime ...Wise/Sage won't block that type of problem from happening
> either
> but when you reinstall your runtime they will handle the concurrent full
>
> version issues for you.
>
> ..I work with no full Access installs allowed on client systems with the
>
> exception of developer dedicated workstations ...and no "office"
> upgrades
> either even if they don't include Access, except by me ...the latter
> because
> the office vba modules share some common parts with Access vba.
>
> ..but I'll be the first to admit that most developers don't have that
> type
> of control over their app runtime environments and there may well be
> other,
> better ways to deal with it ...I just find that keeping it clean makes
> my
> life a lot simpler and my clients with a lot fewer problems.
>
> William
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Kath Pelletti" <KP at sdsonline.net>
> To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 9:04 PM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Runtime Vs Full Access Install
>
>
> William - maybe I have misunderstood. I thought that by including all
> dll's
> (or other files referred to in the vba references)  in the runtime
> install
> package, that it could then be standalone. By that I mean that it would
> run
> regardless of whether the user had (any version of Access) or not, as it
> is
> a packaged entity.
>
> Have I got that wrong? (And I am assuming using Sage / Wise)
>
> Kath
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
>  From: William Hindman
>  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>  Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 3:26 PM
>  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Runtime Vs Full Access Install
>
>
>  ..hhhmmm ...either I'm misreading you or there is a fundamental
>  misunderstanding somewhere in here ...a runtime mdb/mde is exactly the
>
> same
>  as a full install mdb/mde ...the difference is that Access itself is
> not
>  fully installed in a runtime ...the design/coding elements are not
> there
> so
>  a user can't change anything ...it runs exactly as you designed it to
> run.
>
>  ..if you have an A97 mdb and an A2k runtime it should still run as
> long as
>  the references are there ...but the reverse is not true ...so I use
> startup
>  code to check the installed version and call the corresponding fe
> mdb/mde.
>
>  ..if you invest in the wise install tools, they handle those issues
> much
>  better than the native Access distribution tools do and the default is
> to
>  let them do all the work for you.
>
>  William
>
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From dejpolsys at hotmail.com  Tue Aug  2 12:47:56 2005
From: dejpolsys at hotmail.com (William Hindman)
Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 13:47:56 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Fw: ICE - In Case of Emergency
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86873B6C@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <BAY103-DAV1651329E268192808D0B1FAEC20@phx.gbl>

Charlotte

..medic alert bracelets serve a certain purpose quite well, but most of us 
don't need or wear one ...ICE has a single purpose which is to tell the 
people trying to notify your next of kin just exactly who YOU want notified 
and how to do it using your own cell phone, which most of us do "wear" in 
one fashion or another :)

..while its true that you can become separated from your cell phone in such 
an emergency, most don't ...and even if you do, you're no worse off than if 
you didn't program the ICE numbers in the first place ...the paramedics and 
police around here are certainly promoting its use.

William

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 11:41 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Fw: ICE - In Case of Emergency


>I wear a medic-alert bracelet.  They're already trained to check that
> and it has a phone number to access my emergency information as well as
> my medical history.  I think that's more useful.
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Liz Doering [mailto:ldoering at symphonyinfo.com]
> Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 8:44 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Fw: ICE - In Case of Emergency
>
>
> This is probably OT, but my husband the paramedic was doubtful that ICE
> would be helpful.  IF your phone makes it all the way to the emergency
> room with you and IF you are otherwise unidentified,  then ER people
> might find it helpful.  But paramedics are more concerned with you and
> your injuries than with who you want notified.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> dmcafee at pacbell.net
> Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 3:46 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Fw: ICE - In Case of Emergency
>
> My sister in law just sent me this last week too. What's funny is I've
> always added "Home" to my address book not only for that reason but if
> an honest person ever found my lost cell phone.
>
> oh, and try to carry ID at all times ;)
>
> D
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Eget
> Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 1:08 PM
> To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Fw: ICE - In Case of Emergency
>
>
> I put an underscore in front of my _ICE and also have _ICE1, _ICE2, and
> _IC#3
>
> Subject: ICE - In Case of Emergency
>
>
> http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/news/wabc_072605_icecellphone.html
>
>
>
> Just wanted to share some good info if it's ever needed.
>
>
>
> Mark
>
>
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue Aug  2 13:02:44 2005
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 11:02:44 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Runtime Vs Full Access Install
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8689A707@infoserver01.infostat.local>

The packaging wizard in all its versions has been a pathetic installer.
It gave you no choice as to where the dlls (or pretty much anything else
except the mdb itself) were installed.  Wise and InstallShield have far
greater flexibility and SageKey makes them hum.  Actually, as I recall
pretty much *every* version of Office has asked if you want to remove
the previous version, including the runtime, so that isn't peculiar to
2003 and it's something the client either have to be warned about, or
you have to say, "Look, dummy, you broke it.  Now reinstall my
application from your CD." ;-}

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: William Hindman [mailto:dejpolsys at hotmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 10:38 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Runtime Vs Full Access Install


..hhhmmm ...the default runtime install using the Access ODE is to the
same 
directory as a full install ...and that includes the WinSys32 directory 
..since I no longer allow full Access installs I've had no need to use
Wise 
..installing the runtime to a different directory certainly makes sense
but 
that would still leave the dlls and ocx's in the sys32 exposed unless
Wise 
puts the alias' in the registry, something the ms runtime wizard
certainly 
won't do.

..even with a runtime in a different directory and with aliased
references, 
an A2k3 full install will ask if the user wants to remove previous
versions 
and if the user oks it, will promptly remove an older runtime ...but
then I 
suspect Wise has a way around that as well ...the long and short of it
being 
that if you can't control the environment then Wise is a necessity, not
a 
convenience.

..as with anything, you live and learn ...I'm an independent ...I don't 
need to and therefore don't take on clients that don't want to do it my
way 
..makes my life much less complicated ...I don't envy anyone forced to
deal 
with client controlled application environments ...especially notwork
dba's 
on steroids who don't know their own jobs, much less mine ...been there,

done that and like pissing into the wind, it doesn't take a repeat to
know 
better.

..hope all this hasn't left Kath more confused :)

William

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 11:47 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Runtime Vs Full Access Install


> Then you're very fortunate to have that much control, William, but I 
> must disagree with you.  Your runtime files are NOT dependent on how 
> the user does an Access install unless you unwisely (no pun intended) 
> install the runtime in a generic location where it can be easily 
> mucked up.  We install the runtime files in their own directory and 
> have not run into any collisions with installed versions of Access, 
> either before or after the installation of the runtime.  We've been 
> doing this for years through multiple versions of Access (and 
> Windows), so I think you can say it is time tested.
>
> The only real issue with runtime and full install on the same machine 
> is that you MUST start the application using a shortcut that 
> specifically points to the runtime executable or Windows will try to 
> load the last full version of Access to open the database, whether or 
> not it is appropriate.
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: William Hindman [mailto:dejpolsys at hotmail.com]
> Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 8:53 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Runtime Vs Full Access Install
>
>
> Kath ...afaik the runtime is a "package" at install only ...but if a 
> user subsequently installs full Access ...any version ...all bets are 
> off because
> your runtime files integrity is dependent upon how the user does the
> install
> ..a "default" install will screw your runtime more often than not
> because
> it defaults to removing older file versions, even if they are needed
by
> your
> runtime ...Wise/Sage won't block that type of problem from happening
> either
> but when you reinstall your runtime they will handle the concurrent
full
>
> version issues for you.
>
> ..I work with no full Access installs allowed on client systems with 
> the
>
> exception of developer dedicated workstations ...and no "office" 
> upgrades either even if they don't include Access, except by me ...the

> latter because
> the office vba modules share some common parts with Access vba.
>
> ..but I'll be the first to admit that most developers don't have that 
> type of control over their app runtime environments and there may well

> be other,
> better ways to deal with it ...I just find that keeping it clean makes
> my
> life a lot simpler and my clients with a lot fewer problems.
>
> William
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Kath Pelletti" <KP at sdsonline.net>
> To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 9:04 PM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Runtime Vs Full Access Install
>
>
> William - maybe I have misunderstood. I thought that by including all 
> dll's (or other files referred to in the vba references)  in the 
> runtime install
> package, that it could then be standalone. By that I mean that it
would
> run
> regardless of whether the user had (any version of Access) or not, as
it
> is
> a packaged entity.
>
> Have I got that wrong? (And I am assuming using Sage / Wise)
>
> Kath
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>  From: William Hindman
>  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>  Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 3:26 PM
>  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Runtime Vs Full Access Install
>
>
>  ..hhhmmm ...either I'm misreading you or there is a fundamental  
> misunderstanding somewhere in here ...a runtime mdb/mde is exactly the
>
> same
>  as a full install mdb/mde ...the difference is that Access itself is 
> not  fully installed in a runtime ...the design/coding elements are 
> not there
> so
>  a user can't change anything ...it runs exactly as you designed it to
> run.
>
>  ..if you have an A97 mdb and an A2k runtime it should still run as 
> long as  the references are there ...but the reverse is not true ...so

> I use startup
>  code to check the installed version and call the corresponding fe
> mdb/mde.
>
>  ..if you invest in the wise install tools, they handle those issues 
> much  better than the native Access distribution tools do and the 
> default is to
>  let them do all the work for you.
>
>  William
>
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue Aug  2 13:10:04 2005
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 11:10:04 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Fw: ICE - In Case of Emergency
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8689A709@infoserver01.infostat.local>

I'm not arguing against it, but unless you have a way to expose just
those numbers, it also means you can't lock your phone.  A lot of phones
only provide that lock-bypass functionality for a single register, or
sometimes that plus a 911-type emergency number.  Personally, I have the
police department number in that register on my phone, which won't help
emergency personnel.

True, most people don't wear medic alert bracelets, even those who
should.  It wouldn't be a bad idea if everyone who wears contact lenses
or has allergies or any other mild "condition" wore a bracelet.  It
would certainly simplify the lives of the EMTs, paramedics, and anyone
else dealing with an unconscious and unknown patient.

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: William Hindman [mailto:dejpolsys at hotmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 10:48 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Fw: ICE - In Case of Emergency


Charlotte

..medic alert bracelets serve a certain purpose quite well, but most of
us 
don't need or wear one ...ICE has a single purpose which is to tell the 
people trying to notify your next of kin just exactly who YOU want
notified 
and how to do it using your own cell phone, which most of us do "wear"
in 
one fashion or another :)

..while its true that you can become separated from your cell phone in
such 
an emergency, most don't ...and even if you do, you're no worse off than
if 
you didn't program the ICE numbers in the first place ...the paramedics
and 
police around here are certainly promoting its use.

William

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 11:41 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Fw: ICE - In Case of Emergency


>I wear a medic-alert bracelet.  They're already trained to check that  
>and it has a phone number to access my emergency information as well as

>my medical history.  I think that's more useful.
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Liz Doering [mailto:ldoering at symphonyinfo.com]
> Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 8:44 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Fw: ICE - In Case of Emergency
>
>
> This is probably OT, but my husband the paramedic was doubtful that 
> ICE would be helpful.  IF your phone makes it all the way to the 
> emergency room with you and IF you are otherwise unidentified,  then 
> ER people might find it helpful.  But paramedics are more concerned 
> with you and your injuries than with who you want notified.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> dmcafee at pacbell.net
> Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 3:46 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Fw: ICE - In Case of Emergency
>
> My sister in law just sent me this last week too. What's funny is I've

> always added "Home" to my address book not only for that reason but if

> an honest person ever found my lost cell phone.
>
> oh, and try to carry ID at all times ;)
>
> D
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Eget
> Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 1:08 PM
> To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Fw: ICE - In Case of Emergency
>
>
> I put an underscore in front of my _ICE and also have _ICE1, _ICE2, 
> and _IC#3
>
> Subject: ICE - In Case of Emergency
>
>
> http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/news/wabc_072605_icecellphone.html
>
>
>
> Just wanted to share some good info if it's ever needed.
>
>
>
> Mark
>
>
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From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com  Tue Aug  2 13:23:40 2005
From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 14:23:40 -0400 
Subject: [AccessD] Fw: ICE - In Case of Emergency
Message-ID: <1D7828CDB8350747AFE9D69E0E90DA1F13D6E0E7@xlivmbx21.aig.com>

As a proud non-cell phone user ( who *needs* them!) I would suggest a much
simpler, lo-tech solution: carry a card in you wallet, right next to your
kidney donor card. No privacy problems, no need for the EMT to know how to
bypass your phone security, no batteries required.

Lambert

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 2:10 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Fw: ICE - In Case of Emergency


I'm not arguing against it, but unless you have a way to expose just those
numbers, it also means you can't lock your phone.  A lot of phones only
provide that lock-bypass functionality for a single register, or sometimes
that plus a 911-type emergency number.  Personally, I have the police
department number in that register on my phone, which won't help emergency
personnel.

True, most people don't wear medic alert bracelets, even those who should.
It wouldn't be a bad idea if everyone who wears contact lenses or has
allergies or any other mild "condition" wore a bracelet.  It would certainly
simplify the lives of the EMTs, paramedics, and anyone else dealing with an
unconscious and unknown patient.

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: William Hindman [mailto:dejpolsys at hotmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 10:48 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Fw: ICE - In Case of Emergency


Charlotte

..medic alert bracelets serve a certain purpose quite well, but most of us 
don't need or wear one ...ICE has a single purpose which is to tell the 
people trying to notify your next of kin just exactly who YOU want notified 
and how to do it using your own cell phone, which most of us do "wear" in 
one fashion or another :)

..while its true that you can become separated from your cell phone in such 
an emergency, most don't ...and even if you do, you're no worse off than if 
you didn't program the ICE numbers in the first place ...the paramedics and 
police around here are certainly promoting its use.

William

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 11:41 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Fw: ICE - In Case of Emergency


>I wear a medic-alert bracelet.  They're already trained to check that
>and it has a phone number to access my emergency information as well as

>my medical history.  I think that's more useful.
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Liz Doering [mailto:ldoering at symphonyinfo.com]
> Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 8:44 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Fw: ICE - In Case of Emergency
>
>
> This is probably OT, but my husband the paramedic was doubtful that
> ICE would be helpful.  IF your phone makes it all the way to the 
> emergency room with you and IF you are otherwise unidentified,  then 
> ER people might find it helpful.  But paramedics are more concerned 
> with you and your injuries than with who you want notified.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> dmcafee at pacbell.net
> Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 3:46 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Fw: ICE - In Case of Emergency
>
> My sister in law just sent me this last week too. What's funny is I've

> always added "Home" to my address book not only for that reason but if

> an honest person ever found my lost cell phone.
>
> oh, and try to carry ID at all times ;)
>
> D
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Eget
> Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 1:08 PM
> To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Fw: ICE - In Case of Emergency
>
>
> I put an underscore in front of my _ICE and also have _ICE1, _ICE2,
> and _IC#3
>
> Subject: ICE - In Case of Emergency
>
>
> http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/news/wabc_072605_icecellphone.html
>
>
>
> Just wanted to share some good info if it's ever needed.
>
>
>
> Mark
>
>
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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Tue Aug  2 15:03:11 2005
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 21:03:11 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Fw: ICE - In Case of Emergency
In-Reply-To: <1D7828CDB8350747AFE9D69E0E90DA1F13D6E0E7@xlivmbx21.aig.com>
Message-ID: <002501c5979d$35e2e8d0$901b0c54@minster33c3r25>

I appreciate the seriousness of the issue but it still isn't Access and
neither is it Friday so, interesting as it is, would you please take this
thread to the OT list.

Many thanks.

-- Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 


> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Heenan, Lambert
> Sent: 02 August 2005 19:24
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Fw: ICE - In Case of Emergency
> 
> 
> As a proud non-cell phone user ( who *needs* them!) I would 
> suggest a much simpler, lo-tech solution: carry a card in you 
> wallet, right next to your kidney donor card. No privacy 
> problems, no need for the EMT to know how to bypass your 
> phone security, no batteries required.
> 
> Lambert
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Charlotte Foust
> Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 2:10 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Fw: ICE - In Case of Emergency
> 
> 
> I'm not arguing against it, but unless you have a way to 
> expose just those numbers, it also means you can't lock your 
> phone.  A lot of phones only provide that lock-bypass 
> functionality for a single register, or sometimes that plus a 
> 911-type emergency number.  Personally, I have the police 
> department number in that register on my phone, which won't 
> help emergency personnel.
> 
> True, most people don't wear medic alert bracelets, even 
> those who should. It wouldn't be a bad idea if everyone who 
> wears contact lenses or has allergies or any other mild 
> "condition" wore a bracelet.  It would certainly simplify the 
> lives of the EMTs, paramedics, and anyone else dealing with 
> an unconscious and unknown patient.
> 
> Charlotte Foust
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: William Hindman [mailto:dejpolsys at hotmail.com] 
> Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 10:48 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Fw: ICE - In Case of Emergency
> 
> 
> Charlotte
> 
> ..medic alert bracelets serve a certain purpose quite well, 
> but most of us 
> don't need or wear one ...ICE has a single purpose which is 
> to tell the 
> people trying to notify your next of kin just exactly who YOU 
> want notified 
> and how to do it using your own cell phone, which most of us 
> do "wear" in 
> one fashion or another :)
> 
> ..while its true that you can become separated from your cell 
> phone in such 
> an emergency, most don't ...and even if you do, you're no 
> worse off than if 
> you didn't program the ICE numbers in the first place ...the 
> paramedics and 
> police around here are certainly promoting its use.
> 
> William
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 11:41 AM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Fw: ICE - In Case of Emergency
> 
> 
> >I wear a medic-alert bracelet.  They're already trained to 
> check that 
> >and it has a phone number to access my emergency information 
> as well as
> 
> >my medical history.  I think that's more useful.
> >
> > Charlotte Foust
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Liz Doering [mailto:ldoering at symphonyinfo.com]
> > Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 8:44 PM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Fw: ICE - In Case of Emergency
> >
> >
> > This is probably OT, but my husband the paramedic was doubtful that 
> > ICE would be helpful.  IF your phone makes it all the way to the 
> > emergency room with you and IF you are otherwise 
> unidentified,  then 
> > ER people might find it helpful.  But paramedics are more concerned 
> > with you and your injuries than with who you want notified.
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> > dmcafee at pacbell.net
> > Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 3:46 PM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Fw: ICE - In Case of Emergency
> >
> > My sister in law just sent me this last week too. What's 
> funny is I've
> 
> > always added "Home" to my address book not only for that 
> reason but if
> 
> > an honest person ever found my lost cell phone.
> >
> > oh, and try to carry ID at all times ;)
> >
> > D
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Eget
> > Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 1:08 PM
> > To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: [AccessD] Fw: ICE - In Case of Emergency
> >
> >
> > I put an underscore in front of my _ICE and also have _ICE1, _ICE2, 
> > and _IC#3
> >
> > Subject: ICE - In Case of Emergency
> >
> >
> > http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/news/wabc_072605_icecellphone.html
> >
> >
> >
> > Just wanted to share some good info if it's ever needed.
> >
> >
> >
> > Mark
> >
> >
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From jmhecht at earthlink.net  Tue Aug  2 15:56:11 2005
From: jmhecht at earthlink.net (Joe Hecht)
Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 13:56:11 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Fw: ICE - In Case of Emergency
In-Reply-To: <00a401c596d5$3a3a8000$efc2f63f@Desktop>
Message-ID: <002401c597a4$9da9f880$6401a8c0@laptop1>

Urban legends
See Below
http://www.snopes.com/crime/prevent/icephone.asp

Joe Hecht
Los Angeles CA

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Eget
Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 1:08 PM
To: access at joe2.endjunk.com; AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Fw: ICE - In Case of Emergency

I put an underscore in front of my _ICE and also have _ICE1, _ICE2, and
_IC#3

Subject: ICE - In Case of Emergency


http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/news/wabc_072605_icecellphone.html

 

Just wanted to share some good info if it's ever needed.

 

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From csphoon at pc.jaring.my  Tue Aug  2 15:58:53 2005
From: csphoon at pc.jaring.my (Trisha Duke)
Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2005 21:58:53 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2000 creating MDE
Message-ID: <42EFDE8D.5040105@pc.jaring.my>

hi everyone,

Does anybody know why when i create a MDE file in Access 2000, it only 
allows me to save the file with a one character filename, eg A.MDE. Even 
if i change it to a full name , it still save as one character file 
name. I have completely reinstall access 2000. I can only assume it 
maybe a problem with winXP which i am using.

Regards,
Trisha



From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Tue Aug  2 16:20:48 2005
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2005 14:20:48 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Problems with word Automation
References: <20050802153529.41110.qmail@web53604.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <42EFE3B0.9010305@shaw.ca>

You are using late binding so you don't need any references set to Word, 
which maybe causing the problem
It might be useful to have a reference if using intellisense or looking 
at object browser
but you would remove the reference before deploying with late binding.
With late binding it will grab the highest version of word on the system
You might be  using  some esoteric part of word say using xml file 
routines that don't exist
in Word 97, so you may want to check the version of word running to 
avoid problems
with lower versions.

           On Error Resume Next
           ' grab word if already running
           Set objWord = GetObject(, "Word.Application")
           On Error GoTo 0
           ' or if word not already running error  Err.Number = 429 or 
set to nothing
           If objWord Is Nothing Then

                        Set objWord = CreateObject("Word.Application")
            Debug.Print objWord.Version

            '   if Word 97 SP2 then  Word Version= 8.0b
            ' Word 9 opens a separate window for each document.
            ' Prior to Word 9, all documents opened in the same window.
            End If


Kim Wiggins wrote:

>I am using 
>Set objWord = CreateObject("Word.Application")
>
>Do you think that could be the problem?
>Kim
> 
>
>MartyConnelly <martyconnelly at shaw.ca> wrote:
>Are you using early or late binding.
>Set objWord = CreateObject("Word.Application")
>or
>Set objWord = New Word.Application
>Funny things may happen with early binding if newer versions of word 
>installed and then uninstalled.
>
>Kim Wiggins wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Hey everyone
>>Hope all is well. I am not. I coded an automation report in VB6 using Word and it works fine on my work laptop and my laptop at home. But when I install it on the users computer, it gives me the standard application error and shuts down. It says "My_app_name has encountered an error and must close" and then it offers to send a report. Well that is flooring me because it runs in the development environment on both machines just fine. 
>>Can anyone think of anything that I am missing or overlooking?
>>Thanks
>>Kim
>>
>>
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Tue Aug  2 16:59:04 2005
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2005 07:59:04 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] PassThrough (Creation/ Modification) Issues
In-Reply-To: <NDEALJOEGMMPCDKIFGNFKEIAEGAA.jimdettman@earthlink.net>
References: <20050802062538.54680.qmail@web31611.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <42F07948.24207.EC24250@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

On 2 Aug 2005 at 11:17, Jim Dettman wrote:

> <<Does anybody know why the CreatePassThroughQry sub
> does not work and why it does not show up in the
> database container?>>
> 
>  Read the first paragraph of the link you posted (the one that says
> "Important"<g>).
> 

That's scary! Imagine trying to maintain an application that uses queries 
that you can't see once you have created them!



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From vrm at tim-cms.com  Tue Aug  2 17:41:14 2005
From: vrm at tim-cms.com (| Marcel Vreuls)
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 00:41:14 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Problems with word Automation
In-Reply-To: <20050802154023.63301.qmail@web53602.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <001001c597b3$4a0c2fe0$0100000a@GALAXY.local>

Kim, I used early binding with the error. But the fact is that early or late
binding does not solve your problem (IF this is the problem in your case).
It only gives errors in different stages within your application. With early
binding it occurs by startup. With late binding it occurs when you try to
create your word app with the createobject statement.

Msword8.olb  = Word 97
MSWORD9.OLB  = Word 2000
etc but you can check it by clicking with your right mouse button on the olb
file en check the version information

If you use Word 10.0 (office XP) and your client uses word 2000 you get an
error. It depends how your errorhandling is what your app will do. Crash,
write to log and crash, etc..etc..etc..


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Kim Wiggins
Sent: dinsdag 2 augustus 2005 17:40
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Problems with word Automation


Thanks so much. I thought that it had something to do with that.  Did you
then use late binding instead of early binding in that instance?  How can I
tell which OLB to use with the version of word they have?  The OLB I used
was Word 10.0 Object.  That was the only one available in my references on
my version of VB6.

| Marcel Vreuls <vrm at tim-cms.com> wrote:Kim,

I had the same experience once. This was because of early binding problem
(direct crash of the app) and a different office version (reason why). I had
office 97 on my development envirnment. This all works fine. on the client
machine it crashes. Due to the fact that de client had office 2000 or
higher. I fixed it with delivering the word 97 OLB with the application
because i would not make a seperate version of my app for each office
version.

Built in proper logging with the debug option. It should give you a lot of
information.



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Kim Wiggins
Sent: dinsdag 2 augustus 2005 0:18
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Problems with word Automation


Hey everyone
Hope all is well. I am not. I coded an automation report in VB6 using Word
and it works fine on my work laptop and my laptop at home. But when I
install it on the users computer, it gives me the standard application error
and shuts down. It says "My_app_name has encountered an error and must
close" and then it offers to send a report. Well that is flooring me
because it runs in the development environment on both machines just fine.
Can anyone think of anything that I am missing or overlooking?
Thanks
Kim


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From kimjwiggins at yahoo.com  Tue Aug  2 17:57:14 2005
From: kimjwiggins at yahoo.com (Kim Wiggins)
Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 15:57:14 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Problems with word Automation
In-Reply-To: <42EFE3B0.9010305@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <20050802225714.76759.qmail@web53604.mail.yahoo.com>

Thanks so much Marty and Marcel for helping me to understand this better.  This is my first attempt at automation.  Unfortunately, I will not see this user until Saturday so I can't test it out until then but I will let you know next week if everything went well. Thanks

MartyConnelly <martyconnelly at shaw.ca> wrote:You are using late binding so you don't need any references set to Word, 
which maybe causing the problem
It might be useful to have a reference if using intellisense or looking 
at object browser
but you would remove the reference before deploying with late binding.
With late binding it will grab the highest version of word on the system
You might be using some esoteric part of word say using xml file 
routines that don't exist
in Word 97, so you may want to check the version of word running to 
avoid problems
with lower versions.

On Error Resume Next
' grab word if already running
Set objWord = GetObject(, "Word.Application")
On Error GoTo 0
' or if word not already running error Err.Number = 429 or 
set to nothing
If objWord Is Nothing Then

Set objWord = CreateObject("Word.Application")
Debug.Print objWord.Version

' if Word 97 SP2 then Word Version= 8.0b
' Word 9 opens a separate window for each document.
' Prior to Word 9, all documents opened in the same window.
End If


Kim Wiggins wrote:

>I am using 
>Set objWord = CreateObject("Word.Application")
>
>Do you think that could be the problem?
>Kim
> 
>
>MartyConnelly wrote:
>Are you using early or late binding.
>Set objWord = CreateObject("Word.Application")
>or
>Set objWord = New Word.Application
>Funny things may happen with early binding if newer versions of word 
>installed and then uninstalled.
>
>Kim Wiggins wrote:
>
> 
>
>>Hey everyone
>>Hope all is well. I am not. I coded an automation report in VB6 using Word and it works fine on my work laptop and my laptop at home. But when I install it on the users computer, it gives me the standard application error and shuts down. It says "My_app_name has encountered an error and must close" and then it offers to send a report. Well that is flooring me because it runs in the development environment on both machines just fine. 
>>Can anyone think of anything that I am missing or overlooking?
>>Thanks
>>Kim
>>
>>
>>---------------------------------
>>Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page 
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>
> 
>

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From jeff at boyes.net  Tue Aug  2 18:06:19 2005
From: jeff at boyes.net (Jeff Boyes)
Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 17:06:19 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Fw: ICE - In Case of Emergency
In-Reply-To: <002401c597a4$9da9f880$6401a8c0@laptop1>
References: <00a401c596d5$3a3a8000$efc2f63f@Desktop>
	<002401c597a4$9da9f880$6401a8c0@laptop1>
Message-ID: <6348.192.25.240.225.1123023979.squirrel@boyes.net>

Actually, Joe...NOT an Urban Legend, as the link you provided proves.

Jeff



> Urban legends
> See Below
> http://www.snopes.com/crime/prevent/icephone.asp
>
> Joe Hecht
> Los Angeles CA
>


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Aug  2 18:54:05 2005
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2005 19:54:05 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Serv-U
Message-ID: <000401c597bd$7a9e6060$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

I am trying to get Serv-U FTP server going on my server here in my office.
The install was simple and just worked.  It works just fine inside of my
network, using ftp://192.168.122.106 (the server IP address) but I cannot
see it going out to the internet and coming back in.  I have a dlink 624 (I
think) router, in which I have forwarded ports 20 and 21 to 192.168.122.106.
I just cannot see the server, from my laptop, going out and back in.

One of my tech assists suggested that my ISP might be blocking port 20/21,
so I set up the server to look for the ftp at 59999 and then used :59999 at
the end to try and force contact at that port.  That does not work either.

Can anyone suggest how to test this thing, coming in from the outside?  If
anyone out there knows this stuff, and in particular has experience with
Serv-U, can you assist me in getting this working.

John W. Colby
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From KP at sdsonline.net  Tue Aug  2 19:05:34 2005
From: KP at sdsonline.net (Kath Pelletti)
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 10:05:34 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Runtime Vs Full Access Install
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8689A707@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <008c01c597bf$124d2300$6601a8c0@user>

Thanks everyone for this thread - I am taking from it the following:

- Use late binding for the reference to Frontpage regardless to solve situation where user may / may not have Frontpage installed.

- If distributing a runtime mde (app is already an mde) then include any dll's (and other files referenced by the app) that are redistributable in the package created by Sage / Wise.

- Have the runtime set up to install to a separate location to the standard Access install

- Use a specific shortcut to the runtime executable

Kath

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Charlotte Foust 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
  Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 4:02 AM
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] Runtime Vs Full Access Install


  The packaging wizard in all its versions has been a pathetic installer.
  It gave you no choice as to where the dlls (or pretty much anything else
  except the mdb itself) were installed.  Wise and InstallShield have far
  greater flexibility and SageKey makes them hum.  Actually, as I recall
  pretty much *every* version of Office has asked if you want to remove
  the previous version, including the runtime, so that isn't peculiar to
  2003 and it's something the client either have to be warned about, or
  you have to say, "Look, dummy, you broke it.  Now reinstall my
  application from your CD." ;-}

  Charlotte Foust


  -----Original Message-----
  From: William Hindman [mailto:dejpolsys at hotmail.com] 
  Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 10:38 AM
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Runtime Vs Full Access Install


  ..hhhmmm ...the default runtime install using the Access ODE is to the
  same 
  directory as a full install ...and that includes the WinSys32 directory 
  ..since I no longer allow full Access installs I've had no need to use
  Wise 
  ..installing the runtime to a different directory certainly makes sense
  but 
  that would still leave the dlls and ocx's in the sys32 exposed unless
  Wise 
  puts the alias' in the registry, something the ms runtime wizard
  certainly 
  won't do.

  ..even with a runtime in a different directory and with aliased
  references, 
  an A2k3 full install will ask if the user wants to remove previous
  versions 
  and if the user oks it, will promptly remove an older runtime ...but
  then I 
  suspect Wise has a way around that as well ...the long and short of it
  being 
  that if you can't control the environment then Wise is a necessity, not
  a 
  convenience.

  ..as with anything, you live and learn ...I'm an independent ...I don't 
  need to and therefore don't take on clients that don't want to do it my
  way 
  ..makes my life much less complicated ...I don't envy anyone forced to
  deal 
  with client controlled application environments ...especially notwork
  dba's 
  on steroids who don't know their own jobs, much less mine ...been there,

  done that and like pissing into the wind, it doesn't take a repeat to
  know 
  better.

  ..hope all this hasn't left Kath more confused :)

  William

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
  To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
  <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
  Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 11:47 AM
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] Runtime Vs Full Access Install


  > Then you're very fortunate to have that much control, William, but I 
  > must disagree with you.  Your runtime files are NOT dependent on how 
  > the user does an Access install unless you unwisely (no pun intended) 
  > install the runtime in a generic location where it can be easily 
  > mucked up.  We install the runtime files in their own directory and 
  > have not run into any collisions with installed versions of Access, 
  > either before or after the installation of the runtime.  We've been 
  > doing this for years through multiple versions of Access (and 
  > Windows), so I think you can say it is time tested.
  >
  > The only real issue with runtime and full install on the same machine 
  > is that you MUST start the application using a shortcut that 
  > specifically points to the runtime executable or Windows will try to 
  > load the last full version of Access to open the database, whether or 
  > not it is appropriate.
  >
  > Charlotte Foust
  >
  >
  > -----Original Message-----
  > From: William Hindman [mailto:dejpolsys at hotmail.com]
  > Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 8:53 PM
  > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
  > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Runtime Vs Full Access Install
  >
  >
  > Kath ...afaik the runtime is a "package" at install only ...but if a 
  > user subsequently installs full Access ...any version ...all bets are 
  > off because
  > your runtime files integrity is dependent upon how the user does the
  > install
  > ..a "default" install will screw your runtime more often than not
  > because
  > it defaults to removing older file versions, even if they are needed
  by
  > your
  > runtime ...Wise/Sage won't block that type of problem from happening
  > either
  > but when you reinstall your runtime they will handle the concurrent
  full
  >
  > version issues for you.
  >
  > ..I work with no full Access installs allowed on client systems with 
  > the
  >
  > exception of developer dedicated workstations ...and no "office" 
  > upgrades either even if they don't include Access, except by me ...the

  > latter because
  > the office vba modules share some common parts with Access vba.
  >
  > ..but I'll be the first to admit that most developers don't have that 
  > type of control over their app runtime environments and there may well

  > be other,
  > better ways to deal with it ...I just find that keeping it clean makes
  > my
  > life a lot simpler and my clients with a lot fewer problems.
  >
  > William
  >
  > ----- Original Message -----
  > From: "Kath Pelletti" <KP at sdsonline.net>
  > To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
  > Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 9:04 PM
  > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Runtime Vs Full Access Install
  >
  >
  > William - maybe I have misunderstood. I thought that by including all 
  > dll's (or other files referred to in the vba references)  in the 
  > runtime install
  > package, that it could then be standalone. By that I mean that it
  would
  > run
  > regardless of whether the user had (any version of Access) or not, as
  it
  > is
  > a packaged entity.
  >
  > Have I got that wrong? (And I am assuming using Sage / Wise)
  >
  > Kath
  >
  >
  > ----- Original Message -----
  >  From: William Hindman
  >  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
  >  Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 3:26 PM
  >  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Runtime Vs Full Access Install
  >
  >
  >  ..hhhmmm ...either I'm misreading you or there is a fundamental  
  > misunderstanding somewhere in here ...a runtime mdb/mde is exactly the
  >
  > same
  >  as a full install mdb/mde ...the difference is that Access itself is 
  > not  fully installed in a runtime ...the design/coding elements are 
  > not there
  > so
  >  a user can't change anything ...it runs exactly as you designed it to
  > run.
  >
  >  ..if you have an A97 mdb and an A2k runtime it should still run as 
  > long as  the references are there ...but the reverse is not true ...so

  > I use startup
  >  code to check the installed version and call the corresponding fe
  > mdb/mde.
  >
  >  ..if you invest in the wise install tools, they handle those issues 
  > much  better than the native Access distribution tools do and the 
  > default is to
  >  let them do all the work for you.
  >
  >  William
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From ebarro at afsweb.com  Tue Aug  2 19:07:39 2005
From: ebarro at afsweb.com (Eric Barro)
Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 17:07:39 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Serv-U
In-Reply-To: <000401c597bd$7a9e6060$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <MDAEMON-F200508021707.AA0746906md50000031642@afsweb.com>

How are you trying to get back out and into your FTP server? 

Are you trying to get to it using a different machine? 

Check the firewall settings on the machine to see if it is accepting outside
connections for the protocol that FTP is listening on. To check if a
particular port is being used by a protocol go to the command prompt and
type NETSTAT -a.


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 4:54 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; Tech - Database
Advisors Inc.
Subject: [AccessD] Serv-U

I am trying to get Serv-U FTP server going on my server here in my office.
The install was simple and just worked.  It works just fine inside of my
network, using ftp://192.168.122.106 (the server IP address) but I cannot
see it going out to the internet and coming back in.  I have a dlink 624 (I
think) router, in which I have forwarded ports 20 and 21 to 192.168.122.106.
I just cannot see the server, from my laptop, going out and back in.

One of my tech assists suggested that my ISP might be blocking port 20/21,
so I set up the server to look for the ftp at 59999 and then used :59999 at
the end to try and force contact at that port.  That does not work either.

Can anyone suggest how to test this thing, coming in from the outside?  If
anyone out there knows this stuff, and in particular has experience with
Serv-U, can you assist me in getting this working.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Aug  2 19:44:45 2005
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2005 20:44:45 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Serv-U
In-Reply-To: <MDAEMON-F200508021707.AA0746906md50000031642@afsweb.com>
Message-ID: <000501c597c4$8e670eb0$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

All of the machines in my network have Sygate personal firewall installed on
them, but I have unloaded (closed) that on both the server and my laptop
which I am using to test the FTP server.  From my laptop, inside of my
network, I can use IE to go to the server ftp address, see the ftp
directories etc.  I am asked for the username and password by the FTP
server, and once I enter them I can see the directories.  I can send files
from my laptop to the directories for that username.  I can move files into
those directories directly on the server machine, and I can then see them
using IE Explorer and FTPing into that machine (locally).

As for "going out and back in, I use No-IP to discover my IP address
assigned by the cable company.  I then enter that at IE address bar:
ftp://68.198.141.18  Doing that, IE "hangs for a long time", then comes back
and says it can't find the address.

One thing that I have discovered is that the WAN IP address is
192.168.102.100, and the "default gateway" is 192.168.102.1 for the WAN
according to the router, whereas the interior IP group is 192.168.122.1XX -
(100-199).  The LAN IP address is 192.168.122.1  Why is the wan .102.100 and
everything else 122.1xx?

I have no clue what that means, just that is seems strange to me.  

The router is the DHCP server for the network (which is a workgroup) and the
FTP Server is assigned .106 all of the time, with other machines also
assigned specific addresses.  I did this so that I could vnc / remote
desktop in to my LAN from outside and count on getting to specific machines.
I have had all of that working in the past, though I don't guarantee that it
still does.

It seems to me to be an issue with the router, port forwarding and so forth
since I can do everything from inside the network.  OTOH, I don't know that
my request is even getting out to the internet, never mind back in.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Eric Barro
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 8:08 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Serv-U


How are you trying to get back out and into your FTP server? 

Are you trying to get to it using a different machine? 

Check the firewall settings on the machine to see if it is accepting outside
connections for the protocol that FTP is listening on. To check if a
particular port is being used by a protocol go to the command prompt and
type NETSTAT -a.


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 4:54 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; Tech - Database
Advisors Inc.
Subject: [AccessD] Serv-U

I am trying to get Serv-U FTP server going on my server here in my office.
The install was simple and just worked.  It works just fine inside of my
network, using ftp://192.168.122.106 (the server IP address) but I cannot
see it going out to the internet and coming back in.  I have a dlink 624 (I
think) router, in which I have forwarded ports 20 and 21 to 192.168.122.106.
I just cannot see the server, from my laptop, going out and back in.

One of my tech assists suggested that my ISP might be blocking port 20/21,
so I set up the server to look for the ftp at 59999 and then used :59999 at
the end to try and force contact at that port.  That does not work either.

Can anyone suggest how to test this thing, coming in from the outside?  If
anyone out there knows this stuff, and in particular has experience with
Serv-U, can you assist me in getting this working.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From jason at purplecone.com  Tue Aug  2 20:34:11 2005
From: jason at purplecone.com (Jason Strickland)
Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 21:34:11 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Serv-U
In-Reply-To: <000501c597c4$8e670eb0$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <200508030134.j731Y3R07106@databaseadvisors.com>

If you are physically on the inside LAN, you cannot connect to the ftp
server using the outside address. You need a workstation on the outside to
connect to your public IP and you should be able to get in.

I tried to ftp to 68.198.141.18 but it timed out. By looking at your Ip, I
am assuming you are on cable. Some cable modems issue a DHCP and I am
assuming your router is getting the DHCP of 192.168.102.100 and the modem
interface is 192.168.102.1

Your dlink then does nat for the other ip range.

-Jason 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: 08/02/2005 8:45 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; Tech - Database
Advisors Inc.
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Serv-U

All of the machines in my network have Sygate personal firewall installed on
them, but I have unloaded (closed) that on both the server and my laptop
which I am using to test the FTP server.  From my laptop, inside of my
network, I can use IE to go to the server ftp address, see the ftp
directories etc.  I am asked for the username and password by the FTP
server, and once I enter them I can see the directories.  I can send files
from my laptop to the directories for that username.  I can move files into
those directories directly on the server machine, and I can then see them
using IE Explorer and FTPing into that machine (locally).

As for "going out and back in, I use No-IP to discover my IP address
assigned by the cable company.  I then enter that at IE address bar:
ftp://68.198.141.18  Doing that, IE "hangs for a long time", then comes back
and says it can't find the address.

One thing that I have discovered is that the WAN IP address is
192.168.102.100, and the "default gateway" is 192.168.102.1 for the WAN
according to the router, whereas the interior IP group is 192.168.122.1XX -
(100-199).  The LAN IP address is 192.168.122.1  Why is the wan .102.100 and
everything else 122.1xx?

I have no clue what that means, just that is seems strange to me.  

The router is the DHCP server for the network (which is a workgroup) and the
FTP Server is assigned .106 all of the time, with other machines also
assigned specific addresses.  I did this so that I could vnc / remote
desktop in to my LAN from outside and count on getting to specific machines.
I have had all of that working in the past, though I don't guarantee that it
still does.

It seems to me to be an issue with the router, port forwarding and so forth
since I can do everything from inside the network.  OTOH, I don't know that
my request is even getting out to the internet, never mind back in.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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http://folding.stanford.edu/

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Eric Barro
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 8:08 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Serv-U


How are you trying to get back out and into your FTP server? 

Are you trying to get to it using a different machine? 

Check the firewall settings on the machine to see if it is accepting outside
connections for the protocol that FTP is listening on. To check if a
particular port is being used by a protocol go to the command prompt and
type NETSTAT -a.


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 4:54 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; Tech - Database
Advisors Inc.
Subject: [AccessD] Serv-U

I am trying to get Serv-U FTP server going on my server here in my office.
The install was simple and just worked.  It works just fine inside of my
network, using ftp://192.168.122.106 (the server IP address) but I cannot
see it going out to the internet and coming back in.  I have a dlink 624 (I
think) router, in which I have forwarded ports 20 and 21 to 192.168.122.106.
I just cannot see the server, from my laptop, going out and back in.

One of my tech assists suggested that my ISP might be blocking port 20/21,
so I set up the server to look for the ftp at 59999 and then used :59999 at
the end to try and force contact at that port.  That does not work either.

Can anyone suggest how to test this thing, coming in from the outside?  If
anyone out there knows this stuff, and in particular has experience with
Serv-U, can you assist me in getting this working.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From ebarro at afsweb.com  Tue Aug  2 21:11:17 2005
From: ebarro at afsweb.com (Eric Barro)
Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 19:11:17 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Serv-U
In-Reply-To: <200508030134.j731Y3R07106@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <MDAEMON-F200508021911.AA1126130md50000032312@afsweb.com>

Jason's right John. You can't go back into the internal network by using
another machine that's on the same network subnet. The IP packets can't be
routed properly because your source and destination address are going to be
the same public IP.

I also tried to ftp to the IP you specified but I got an error. Most cable
providers block inbound port 21 and port 80 since they don't want people
setting up servers behind the cable modem.



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jason Strickland
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 6:34 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Serv-U

If you are physically on the inside LAN, you cannot connect to the ftp
server using the outside address. You need a workstation on the outside to
connect to your public IP and you should be able to get in.

I tried to ftp to 68.198.141.18 but it timed out. By looking at your Ip, I
am assuming you are on cable. Some cable modems issue a DHCP and I am
assuming your router is getting the DHCP of 192.168.102.100 and the modem
interface is 192.168.102.1

Your dlink then does nat for the other ip range.

-Jason 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: 08/02/2005 8:45 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; Tech - Database
Advisors Inc.
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Serv-U

All of the machines in my network have Sygate personal firewall installed on
them, but I have unloaded (closed) that on both the server and my laptop
which I am using to test the FTP server.  From my laptop, inside of my
network, I can use IE to go to the server ftp address, see the ftp
directories etc.  I am asked for the username and password by the FTP
server, and once I enter them I can see the directories.  I can send files
from my laptop to the directories for that username.  I can move files into
those directories directly on the server machine, and I can then see them
using IE Explorer and FTPing into that machine (locally).

As for "going out and back in, I use No-IP to discover my IP address
assigned by the cable company.  I then enter that at IE address bar:
ftp://68.198.141.18  Doing that, IE "hangs for a long time", then comes back
and says it can't find the address.

One thing that I have discovered is that the WAN IP address is
192.168.102.100, and the "default gateway" is 192.168.102.1 for the WAN
according to the router, whereas the interior IP group is 192.168.122.1XX -
(100-199).  The LAN IP address is 192.168.122.1  Why is the wan .102.100 and
everything else 122.1xx?

I have no clue what that means, just that is seems strange to me.  

The router is the DHCP server for the network (which is a workgroup) and the
FTP Server is assigned .106 all of the time, with other machines also
assigned specific addresses.  I did this so that I could vnc / remote
desktop in to my LAN from outside and count on getting to specific machines.
I have had all of that working in the past, though I don't guarantee that it
still does.

It seems to me to be an issue with the router, port forwarding and so forth
since I can do everything from inside the network.  OTOH, I don't know that
my request is even getting out to the internet, never mind back in.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Eric Barro
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 8:08 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Serv-U


How are you trying to get back out and into your FTP server? 

Are you trying to get to it using a different machine? 

Check the firewall settings on the machine to see if it is accepting outside
connections for the protocol that FTP is listening on. To check if a
particular port is being used by a protocol go to the command prompt and
type NETSTAT -a.


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 4:54 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; Tech - Database
Advisors Inc.
Subject: [AccessD] Serv-U

I am trying to get Serv-U FTP server going on my server here in my office.
The install was simple and just worked.  It works just fine inside of my
network, using ftp://192.168.122.106 (the server IP address) but I cannot
see it going out to the internet and coming back in.  I have a dlink 624 (I
think) router, in which I have forwarded ports 20 and 21 to 192.168.122.106.
I just cannot see the server, from my laptop, going out and back in.

One of my tech assists suggested that my ISP might be blocking port 20/21,
so I set up the server to look for the ftp at 59999 and then used :59999 at
the end to try and force contact at that port.  That does not work either.

Can anyone suggest how to test this thing, coming in from the outside?  If
anyone out there knows this stuff, and in particular has experience with
Serv-U, can you assist me in getting this working.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Aug  2 22:06:37 2005
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2005 23:06:37 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Serv-U
In-Reply-To: <MDAEMON-F200508021911.AA1126130md50000032312@afsweb.com>
Message-ID: <001601c597d8$601cd6c0$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

>Jason's right John. You can't go back into the internal network by using
another machine that's on the same network subnet. The IP packets can't be
routed properly because your source and destination address are going to be
the same public IP.

That would explain that.

What port would be appropriate to set up then?  I set up 59999 (one shy of
60k) but of course I was trying to get out and back in.  I can remote
desktop to a client's machine and ftp back in for testing.

John W. Colby
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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Eric Barro
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 10:11 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Serv-U


Jason's right John. You can't go back into the internal network by using
another machine that's on the same network subnet. The IP packets can't be
routed properly because your source and destination address are going to be
the same public IP.

I also tried to ftp to the IP you specified but I got an error. Most cable
providers block inbound port 21 and port 80 since they don't want people
setting up servers behind the cable modem.



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jason Strickland
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 6:34 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Serv-U

If you are physically on the inside LAN, you cannot connect to the ftp
server using the outside address. You need a workstation on the outside to
connect to your public IP and you should be able to get in.

I tried to ftp to 68.198.141.18 but it timed out. By looking at your Ip, I
am assuming you are on cable. Some cable modems issue a DHCP and I am
assuming your router is getting the DHCP of 192.168.102.100 and the modem
interface is 192.168.102.1

Your dlink then does nat for the other ip range.

-Jason 

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: 08/02/2005 8:45 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; Tech - Database
Advisors Inc.
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Serv-U

All of the machines in my network have Sygate personal firewall installed on
them, but I have unloaded (closed) that on both the server and my laptop
which I am using to test the FTP server.  From my laptop, inside of my
network, I can use IE to go to the server ftp address, see the ftp
directories etc.  I am asked for the username and password by the FTP
server, and once I enter them I can see the directories.  I can send files
from my laptop to the directories for that username.  I can move files into
those directories directly on the server machine, and I can then see them
using IE Explorer and FTPing into that machine (locally).

As for "going out and back in, I use No-IP to discover my IP address
assigned by the cable company.  I then enter that at IE address bar:
ftp://68.198.141.18  Doing that, IE "hangs for a long time", then comes back
and says it can't find the address.

One thing that I have discovered is that the WAN IP address is
192.168.102.100, and the "default gateway" is 192.168.102.1 for the WAN
according to the router, whereas the interior IP group is 192.168.122.1XX -
(100-199).  The LAN IP address is 192.168.122.1  Why is the wan .102.100 and
everything else 122.1xx?

I have no clue what that means, just that is seems strange to me.  

The router is the DHCP server for the network (which is a workgroup) and the
FTP Server is assigned .106 all of the time, with other machines also
assigned specific addresses.  I did this so that I could vnc / remote
desktop in to my LAN from outside and count on getting to specific machines.
I have had all of that working in the past, though I don't guarantee that it
still does.

It seems to me to be an issue with the router, port forwarding and so forth
since I can do everything from inside the network.  OTOH, I don't know that
my request is even getting out to the internet, never mind back in.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Eric Barro
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 8:08 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Serv-U


How are you trying to get back out and into your FTP server? 

Are you trying to get to it using a different machine? 

Check the firewall settings on the machine to see if it is accepting outside
connections for the protocol that FTP is listening on. To check if a
particular port is being used by a protocol go to the command prompt and
type NETSTAT -a.


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 4:54 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; Tech - Database
Advisors Inc.
Subject: [AccessD] Serv-U

I am trying to get Serv-U FTP server going on my server here in my office.
The install was simple and just worked.  It works just fine inside of my
network, using ftp://192.168.122.106 (the server IP address) but I cannot
see it going out to the internet and coming back in.  I have a dlink 624 (I
think) router, in which I have forwarded ports 20 and 21 to 192.168.122.106.
I just cannot see the server, from my laptop, going out and back in.

One of my tech assists suggested that my ISP might be blocking port 20/21,
so I set up the server to look for the ftp at 59999 and then used :59999 at
the end to try and force contact at that port.  That does not work either.

Can anyone suggest how to test this thing, coming in from the outside?  If
anyone out there knows this stuff, and in particular has experience with
Serv-U, can you assist me in getting this working.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Aug  2 22:20:13 2005
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2005 23:20:13 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Serv-U
In-Reply-To: <001601c597d8$601cd6c0$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <001701c597da$43209280$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

Well, I have tried it at port 59999 as well.  Port forwarding is set to the
same server, Serv-U is modified to use 59999, I remote desktop to a client
machine then try and ftp back in and a definite no go.

Sigh.

John W. Colby
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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 11:07 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Serv-U


>Jason's right John. You can't go back into the internal network by 
>using
another machine that's on the same network subnet. The IP packets can't be
routed properly because your source and destination address are going to be
the same public IP.

That would explain that.

What port would be appropriate to set up then?  I set up 59999 (one shy of
60k) but of course I was trying to get out and back in.  I can remote
desktop to a client's machine and ftp back in for testing.

John W. Colby
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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Eric Barro
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 10:11 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Serv-U


Jason's right John. You can't go back into the internal network by using
another machine that's on the same network subnet. The IP packets can't be
routed properly because your source and destination address are going to be
the same public IP.

I also tried to ftp to the IP you specified but I got an error. Most cable
providers block inbound port 21 and port 80 since they don't want people
setting up servers behind the cable modem.



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jason Strickland
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 6:34 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Serv-U

If you are physically on the inside LAN, you cannot connect to the ftp
server using the outside address. You need a workstation on the outside to
connect to your public IP and you should be able to get in.

I tried to ftp to 68.198.141.18 but it timed out. By looking at your Ip, I
am assuming you are on cable. Some cable modems issue a DHCP and I am
assuming your router is getting the DHCP of 192.168.102.100 and the modem
interface is 192.168.102.1

Your dlink then does nat for the other ip range.

-Jason 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: 08/02/2005 8:45 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; Tech - Database
Advisors Inc.
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Serv-U

All of the machines in my network have Sygate personal firewall installed on
them, but I have unloaded (closed) that on both the server and my laptop
which I am using to test the FTP server.  From my laptop, inside of my
network, I can use IE to go to the server ftp address, see the ftp
directories etc.  I am asked for the username and password by the FTP
server, and once I enter them I can see the directories.  I can send files
from my laptop to the directories for that username.  I can move files into
those directories directly on the server machine, and I can then see them
using IE Explorer and FTPing into that machine (locally).

As for "going out and back in, I use No-IP to discover my IP address
assigned by the cable company.  I then enter that at IE address bar:
ftp://68.198.141.18  Doing that, IE "hangs for a long time", then comes back
and says it can't find the address.

One thing that I have discovered is that the WAN IP address is
192.168.102.100, and the "default gateway" is 192.168.102.1 for the WAN
according to the router, whereas the interior IP group is 192.168.122.1XX -
(100-199).  The LAN IP address is 192.168.122.1  Why is the wan .102.100 and
everything else 122.1xx?

I have no clue what that means, just that is seems strange to me.  

The router is the DHCP server for the network (which is a workgroup) and the
FTP Server is assigned .106 all of the time, with other machines also
assigned specific addresses.  I did this so that I could vnc / remote
desktop in to my LAN from outside and count on getting to specific machines.
I have had all of that working in the past, though I don't guarantee that it
still does.

It seems to me to be an issue with the router, port forwarding and so forth
since I can do everything from inside the network.  OTOH, I don't know that
my request is even getting out to the internet, never mind back in.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Eric Barro
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 8:08 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Serv-U


How are you trying to get back out and into your FTP server? 

Are you trying to get to it using a different machine? 

Check the firewall settings on the machine to see if it is accepting outside
connections for the protocol that FTP is listening on. To check if a
particular port is being used by a protocol go to the command prompt and
type NETSTAT -a.


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 4:54 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; Tech - Database
Advisors Inc.
Subject: [AccessD] Serv-U

I am trying to get Serv-U FTP server going on my server here in my office.
The install was simple and just worked.  It works just fine inside of my
network, using ftp://192.168.122.106 (the server IP address) but I cannot
see it going out to the internet and coming back in.  I have a dlink 624 (I
think) router, in which I have forwarded ports 20 and 21 to 192.168.122.106.
I just cannot see the server, from my laptop, going out and back in.

One of my tech assists suggested that my ISP might be blocking port 20/21,
so I set up the server to look for the ftp at 59999 and then used :59999 at
the end to try and force contact at that port.  That does not work either.

Can anyone suggest how to test this thing, coming in from the outside?  If
anyone out there knows this stuff, and in particular has experience with
Serv-U, can you assist me in getting this working.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Aug  3 00:41:19 2005
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2005 22:41:19 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Serv-U
In-Reply-To: <000501c597c4$8e670eb0$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <0IKM00123T4TE0@l-daemon>

Hi John:

Just a couple of comments:

If you are using standard ftp then port 21 must be open on your router. If
not there is usually a configuration, on the router, that you may have to
set. (Also on the software firewalls.)

When testing the ftp server (I use IIS) inside the LAN I would use something
like:

ftp://MyUserName:MyPassword at 192.168.102.100

After this has been thoroughly tested and when sending it outside to be used
for external access to the FTP server then reconfigure like:
 
ftp://MyUsername:MyPassword at 68.198.141.18

The above address will not work from an external station. You can test the
external response by going to an external web proxy like
http://www.guardster.com/ . From there you can see whether you can access
your ftp server from outside. Another trick to see what is happening is to
monitor your router external status page and see what ports a remote process
is trying to access. 

If you are using a different port for the FTP site like 8888 you would have
to configure the ftp address like:

ftp://MyUsername:MyPassword at 68.198.141.18:8888

Have you ever considered using webdav to handle your remote access? It is
not difficult to setup and according to a friend more secure.

HTH
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 5:45 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; Tech - Database
Advisors Inc.
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Serv-U

All of the machines in my network have Sygate personal firewall installed on
them, but I have unloaded (closed) that on both the server and my laptop
which I am using to test the FTP server.  From my laptop, inside of my
network, I can use IE to go to the server ftp address, see the ftp
directories etc.  I am asked for the username and password by the FTP
server, and once I enter them I can see the directories.  I can send files
from my laptop to the directories for that username.  I can move files into
those directories directly on the server machine, and I can then see them
using IE Explorer and FTPing into that machine (locally).

As for "going out and back in, I use No-IP to discover my IP address
assigned by the cable company.  I then enter that at IE address bar:
ftp://68.198.141.18  Doing that, IE "hangs for a long time", then comes back
and says it can't find the address.

One thing that I have discovered is that the WAN IP address is
192.168.102.100, and the "default gateway" is 192.168.102.1 for the WAN
according to the router, whereas the interior IP group is 192.168.122.1XX -
(100-199).  The LAN IP address is 192.168.122.1  Why is the wan .102.100 and
everything else 122.1xx?

I have no clue what that means, just that is seems strange to me.  

The router is the DHCP server for the network (which is a workgroup) and the
FTP Server is assigned .106 all of the time, with other machines also
assigned specific addresses.  I did this so that I could vnc / remote
desktop in to my LAN from outside and count on getting to specific machines.
I have had all of that working in the past, though I don't guarantee that it
still does.

It seems to me to be an issue with the router, port forwarding and so forth
since I can do everything from inside the network.  OTOH, I don't know that
my request is even getting out to the internet, never mind back in.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Eric Barro
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 8:08 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Serv-U


How are you trying to get back out and into your FTP server? 

Are you trying to get to it using a different machine? 

Check the firewall settings on the machine to see if it is accepting outside
connections for the protocol that FTP is listening on. To check if a
particular port is being used by a protocol go to the command prompt and
type NETSTAT -a.


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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 4:54 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; Tech - Database
Advisors Inc.
Subject: [AccessD] Serv-U

I am trying to get Serv-U FTP server going on my server here in my office.
The install was simple and just worked.  It works just fine inside of my
network, using ftp://192.168.122.106 (the server IP address) but I cannot
see it going out to the internet and coming back in.  I have a dlink 624 (I
think) router, in which I have forwarded ports 20 and 21 to 192.168.122.106.
I just cannot see the server, from my laptop, going out and back in.

One of my tech assists suggested that my ISP might be blocking port 20/21,
so I set up the server to look for the ftp at 59999 and then used :59999 at
the end to try and force contact at that port.  That does not work either.

Can anyone suggest how to test this thing, coming in from the outside?  If
anyone out there knows this stuff, and in particular has experience with
Serv-U, can you assist me in getting this working.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From jmhecht at earthlink.net  Wed Aug  3 01:48:39 2005
From: jmhecht at earthlink.net (Joe Hecht)
Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 23:48:39 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Found this site on excel
Message-ID: <002201c597f7$61d989d0$6401a8c0@laptop1>

But it has Access Stuff too
 
http://www.fontstuff.com/downloads/index.htm
 
 
 
Joe Hecht
Los Angeles CA
 


From vrm at tim-cms.com  Wed Aug  3 02:32:15 2005
From: vrm at tim-cms.com (| Marcel Vreuls)
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 09:32:15 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Menu problems
In-Reply-To: <002201c597f7$61d989d0$6401a8c0@laptop1>
Message-ID: <000601c597fd$7a9a2690$0100000a@GALAXY.local>

Hi,

I've got the strangest problem. I have a quit large frontend A2K MDB/MDE. I
cannot recall since when. I guess about 4 weeks not all menus are visible
anymore. For example i had a dropdown File menu a view menu and a settings
menu. The view menu is working fine but the other two show no options
anymore. Only a grey square like option with no menu options
anymore!?!?!??!?!?

I have about 300 deployed clients through the country and they are all
working fine. So no worries now and It seems this problem only occurs on my
pc and laptop. But it develops and tests very bad.

Thx Marcel



From greggs at msn.com  Wed Aug  3 09:32:28 2005
From: greggs at msn.com (Gregg)
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 09:32:28 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Memo field parsing
References: <000601c597fd$7a9a2690$0100000a@GALAXY.local>
Message-ID: <BAY103-DAV10A3F42ACDAF53334C27BFC6C50@phx.gbl>

I would like to parse a memo field in a A97 report such that the first three lines is on the first page and whatever is left is on the next.  Any ideas?

Gregg Steinbrenner

From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed Aug  3 10:28:59 2005
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 08:28:59 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Memo field parsing
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86873B7A@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Define "first three lines".   Is that a particular number of characters
or a physical space?

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Gregg [mailto:greggs at msn.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 7:32 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Memo field parsing


I would like to parse a memo field in a A97 report such that the first
three lines is on the first page and whatever is left is on the next.
Any ideas?

Gregg Steinbrenner
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From greggs at msn.com  Wed Aug  3 10:42:44 2005
From: greggs at msn.com (Gregg)
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 10:42:44 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Memo field parsing
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86873B7A@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <BAY103-DAV8F6A4DE8AC96919B3F86FC6C50@phx.gbl>

Charlotte

Physical space I think because I don't know how to get from one to the other.  The number of characters is going to be dependant on the how many characters are lost to word wrapping isn't it?  Is there a way to calculate the number of characters that will appear in the first three lines?  If I knew that, I could do it.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Charlotte Foust<mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com> 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving<mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com> 
  Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 10:28 AM
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] Memo field parsing


  Define "first three lines".   Is that a particular number of characters
  or a physical space?

  Charlotte Foust


  -----Original Message-----
  From: Gregg [mailto:greggs at msn.com] 
  Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 7:32 AM
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
  Subject: [AccessD] Memo field parsing


  I would like to parse a memo field in a A97 report such that the first
  three lines is on the first page and whatever is left is on the next.
  Any ideas?

  Gregg Steinbrenner
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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Aug  3 10:56:26 2005
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2005 17:56:26 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Memo field parsing
Message-ID: <s2f10559.035@cactus.dk>

Hi Gregg

You may find some hints about font metrics here at Stephen Lebans:

  http://www.lebans.com/textwidth-height.htm 

Prepare for some fun ...

/gustav

>>> greggs at msn.com 08/03 5:42 pm >>>
Charlotte

Physical space I think because I don't know how to get from one to the
other.  The number of characters is going to be dependant on the how
many characters are lost to word wrapping isn't it?  Is there a way to
calculate the number of characters that will appear in the first three
lines?  If I knew that, I could do it.



From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed Aug  3 11:02:03 2005
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 09:02:03 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Memo field parsing
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8689A725@infoserver01.infostat.local>

You can't do it by simply counting characters anyhow.  You have to use
the TextWidth property, which can be expressed as
reportname.TextWidth(stringvariable) and compare that to the textwidth
of the control ( reportname.TextWidth(controlobject) or to the maximum
length you want to display.  You'll also want to allow a padding factor
to avoid overrunning the  borders of the control and be sure and check
for carriage returns because they confuse the issue.

If you want to display 3 "lines", you'll have to break the memo field
into the first three chunks that will fit into the textwidth of the
textbox you're using to display the text on that page.

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Gregg [mailto:greggs at msn.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 8:43 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Memo field parsing


Charlotte

Physical space I think because I don't know how to get from one to the
other.  The number of characters is going to be dependant on the how
many characters are lost to word wrapping isn't it?  Is there a way to
calculate the number of characters that will appear in the first three
lines?  If I knew that, I could do it.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Charlotte Foust<mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com> 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem
solving<mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com> 
  Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 10:28 AM
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] Memo field parsing


  Define "first three lines".   Is that a particular number of
characters
  or a physical space?

  Charlotte Foust


  -----Original Message-----
  From: Gregg [mailto:greggs at msn.com] 
  Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 7:32 AM
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
  Subject: [AccessD] Memo field parsing


  I would like to parse a memo field in a A97 report such that the first
  three lines is on the first page and whatever is left is on the next.
  Any ideas?

  Gregg Steinbrenner
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Wed Aug  3 11:01:11 2005
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (DWUTKA at marlow.com)
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 11:01:11 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] Serv-U
Message-ID: <123701F54509D9119A4F00D0B747349016DBC7@main2.marlow.com>

What's your external IP address?

Drew

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From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 6:54 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; Tech - Database
Advisors Inc.
Subject: [AccessD] Serv-U


I am trying to get Serv-U FTP server going on my server here in my office.
The install was simple and just worked.  It works just fine inside of my
network, using ftp://192.168.122.106 (the server IP address) but I cannot
see it going out to the internet and coming back in.  I have a dlink 624 (I
think) router, in which I have forwarded ports 20 and 21 to 192.168.122.106.
I just cannot see the server, from my laptop, going out and back in.

One of my tech assists suggested that my ISP might be blocking port 20/21,
so I set up the server to look for the ftp at 59999 and then used :59999 at
the end to try and force contact at that port.  That does not work either.

Can anyone suggest how to test this thing, coming in from the outside?  If
anyone out there knows this stuff, and in particular has experience with
Serv-U, can you assist me in getting this working.

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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Wed Aug  3 11:02:51 2005
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (DWUTKA at marlow.com)
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 11:02:51 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] Serv-U
Message-ID: <123701F54509D9119A4F00D0B747349016DBC8@main2.marlow.com>

Turn the logging on, on your router.  I have a DI-624, and I know it has a
decent logger.  That will let you know what is coming back at it.

Drew

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From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 7:45 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; Tech - Database
Advisors Inc.
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Serv-U


All of the machines in my network have Sygate personal firewall installed on
them, but I have unloaded (closed) that on both the server and my laptop
which I am using to test the FTP server.  From my laptop, inside of my
network, I can use IE to go to the server ftp address, see the ftp
directories etc.  I am asked for the username and password by the FTP
server, and once I enter them I can see the directories.  I can send files
from my laptop to the directories for that username.  I can move files into
those directories directly on the server machine, and I can then see them
using IE Explorer and FTPing into that machine (locally).

As for "going out and back in, I use No-IP to discover my IP address
assigned by the cable company.  I then enter that at IE address bar:
ftp://68.198.141.18  Doing that, IE "hangs for a long time", then comes back
and says it can't find the address.

One thing that I have discovered is that the WAN IP address is
192.168.102.100, and the "default gateway" is 192.168.102.1 for the WAN
according to the router, whereas the interior IP group is 192.168.122.1XX -
(100-199).  The LAN IP address is 192.168.122.1  Why is the wan .102.100 and
everything else 122.1xx?

I have no clue what that means, just that is seems strange to me.  

The router is the DHCP server for the network (which is a workgroup) and the
FTP Server is assigned .106 all of the time, with other machines also
assigned specific addresses.  I did this so that I could vnc / remote
desktop in to my LAN from outside and count on getting to specific machines.
I have had all of that working in the past, though I don't guarantee that it
still does.

It seems to me to be an issue with the router, port forwarding and so forth
since I can do everything from inside the network.  OTOH, I don't know that
my request is even getting out to the internet, never mind back in.

John W. Colby
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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Eric Barro
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 8:08 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Serv-U


How are you trying to get back out and into your FTP server? 

Are you trying to get to it using a different machine? 

Check the firewall settings on the machine to see if it is accepting outside
connections for the protocol that FTP is listening on. To check if a
particular port is being used by a protocol go to the command prompt and
type NETSTAT -a.


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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 4:54 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; Tech - Database
Advisors Inc.
Subject: [AccessD] Serv-U

I am trying to get Serv-U FTP server going on my server here in my office.
The install was simple and just worked.  It works just fine inside of my
network, using ftp://192.168.122.106 (the server IP address) but I cannot
see it going out to the internet and coming back in.  I have a dlink 624 (I
think) router, in which I have forwarded ports 20 and 21 to 192.168.122.106.
I just cannot see the server, from my laptop, going out and back in.

One of my tech assists suggested that my ISP might be blocking port 20/21,
so I set up the server to look for the ftp at 59999 and then used :59999 at
the end to try and force contact at that port.  That does not work either.

Can anyone suggest how to test this thing, coming in from the outside?  If
anyone out there knows this stuff, and in particular has experience with
Serv-U, can you assist me in getting this working.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Wed Aug  3 11:08:59 2005
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 17:08:59 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Memo field parsing
Message-ID: <20050803160856.48ECC250758@smtp.nildram.co.uk>

This may sound a naff solution but I reckon any clever one is going to be a
lot of work. So this is a pragmatic workaround.

Obviously getting the first 3 lines on the first page is easy. You just size
your textbox to 3 lines height and make it not grow. Then I was thinking
about the second part and thought....if you place a full height (or CanGrow)
text control on page 2 it will show the first 3 lines again and then the
rest. So if you can't stop it showing the first 3 lines can you blank them
out? As long as you don't want the control on page 2 to be too close to the
top of the sheet you just place another (empty) control, again of 3 lines
height over the top of it (with background not transparent). Seems to work.
--
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--------- Original Message --------
From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
To: "accessd at databaseadvisors.com" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Memo field parsing
Date: 03/08/05 15:57


Hi Gregg

You may find some hints about font metrics here at Stephen Lebans:

http://www.lebans.com/textwidth-height.htm

Prepare for some fun ...

/gustav

>>> greggs at msn.com 08/03 5:42 pm >>>
Charlotte

Physical space I think because I don't know how to get from one to the
other. The number of characters is going to be dependant on the how
many characters are lost to word wrapping isn't it? Is there a way to
calculate the number of characters that will appear in the first three
lines? If I knew that, I could do it.

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed Aug  3 11:18:53 2005
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 09:18:53 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Memo field parsing
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86873B7F@infoserver01.infostat.local>

That sounds like as much work as developing a single routine to return
the first three lines ... Which could also be used to REMOVE the first
three lines for the next page.

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 9:09 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Memo field parsing


This may sound a naff solution but I reckon any clever one is going to
be a lot of work. So this is a pragmatic workaround.

Obviously getting the first 3 lines on the first page is easy. You just
size your textbox to 3 lines height and make it not grow. Then I was
thinking about the second part and thought....if you place a full height
(or CanGrow) text control on page 2 it will show the first 3 lines again
and then the rest. So if you can't stop it showing the first 3 lines can
you blank them out? As long as you don't want the control on page 2 to
be too close to the top of the sheet you just place another (empty)
control, again of 3 lines height over the top of it (with background not
transparent). Seems to work.
--
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From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
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To: "accessd at databaseadvisors.com" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Memo field parsing
Date: 03/08/05 15:57


Hi Gregg

You may find some hints about font metrics here at Stephen Lebans:

http://www.lebans.com/textwidth-height.htm

Prepare for some fun ...

/gustav

>>> greggs at msn.com 08/03 5:42 pm >>>
Charlotte

Physical space I think because I don't know how to get from one to the
other. The number of characters is going to be dependant on the how many
characters are lost to word wrapping isn't it? Is there a way to
calculate the number of characters that will appear in the first three
lines? If I knew that, I could do it.

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From greggs at msn.com  Wed Aug  3 11:41:04 2005
From: greggs at msn.com (Gregg)
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 11:41:04 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Memo field parsing
References: <20050803160856.48ECC250758@smtp.nildram.co.uk>
Message-ID: <BAY103-DAV43C3CDB2FB22DF580A7CCC6C50@phx.gbl>

That was exactly my first solution (naff or not).  The problem is the text box is midway down the 2nd page following some other items and the customer never was very impressed with the blank space.  Now they are running out of space on the second page and are limited to the 2 pages by their end user and need to use the blank space.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Andy Lacey<mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk> 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving<mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com> 
  Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 11:08 AM
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Memo field parsing


  This may sound a naff solution but I reckon any clever one is going to be a
  lot of work. So this is a pragmatic workaround.

  Obviously getting the first 3 lines on the first page is easy. You just size
  your textbox to 3 lines height and make it not grow. Then I was thinking
  about the second part and thought....if you place a full height (or CanGrow)
  text control on page 2 it will show the first 3 lines again and then the
  rest. So if you can't stop it showing the first 3 lines can you blank them
  out? As long as you don't want the control on page 2 to be too close to the
  top of the sheet you just place another (empty) control, again of 3 lines
  height over the top of it (with background not transparent). Seems to work.
  --
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  To: "accessd at databaseadvisors.com<mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com>" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com<mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com>>
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Memo field parsing
  Date: 03/08/05 15:57


  Hi Gregg

  You may find some hints about font metrics here at Stephen Lebans:

  http://www.lebans.com/textwidth-height.htm<http://www.lebans.com/textwidth-height.htm>

  Prepare for some fun ...

  /gustav

  >>> greggs at msn.com<mailto:greggs at msn.com> 08/03 5:42 pm >>>
  Charlotte

  Physical space I think because I don't know how to get from one to the
  other. The number of characters is going to be dependant on the how
  many characters are lost to word wrapping isn't it? Is there a way to
  calculate the number of characters that will appear in the first three
  lines? If I knew that, I could do it.

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Aug  3 12:17:34 2005
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2005 13:17:34 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Serv-U
In-Reply-To: <123701F54509D9119A4F00D0B747349016DBC8@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <005201c5984f$404291b0$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

I have logging on already, but I am not seeing anything that looks like
attempts to hit the FTP port (or the port I set up for port forwarding).

John W. Colby
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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of DWUTKA at marlow.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 12:03 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Serv-U


Turn the logging on, on your router.  I have a DI-624, and I know it has a
decent logger.  That will let you know what is coming back at it.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 7:45 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; Tech - Database
Advisors Inc.
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Serv-U


All of the machines in my network have Sygate personal firewall installed on
them, but I have unloaded (closed) that on both the server and my laptop
which I am using to test the FTP server.  From my laptop, inside of my
network, I can use IE to go to the server ftp address, see the ftp
directories etc.  I am asked for the username and password by the FTP
server, and once I enter them I can see the directories.  I can send files
from my laptop to the directories for that username.  I can move files into
those directories directly on the server machine, and I can then see them
using IE Explorer and FTPing into that machine (locally).

As for "going out and back in, I use No-IP to discover my IP address
assigned by the cable company.  I then enter that at IE address bar:
ftp://68.198.141.18  Doing that, IE "hangs for a long time", then comes back
and says it can't find the address.

One thing that I have discovered is that the WAN IP address is
192.168.102.100, and the "default gateway" is 192.168.102.1 for the WAN
according to the router, whereas the interior IP group is 192.168.122.1XX -
(100-199).  The LAN IP address is 192.168.122.1  Why is the wan .102.100 and
everything else 122.1xx?

I have no clue what that means, just that is seems strange to me.  

The router is the DHCP server for the network (which is a workgroup) and the
FTP Server is assigned .106 all of the time, with other machines also
assigned specific addresses.  I did this so that I could vnc / remote
desktop in to my LAN from outside and count on getting to specific machines.
I have had all of that working in the past, though I don't guarantee that it
still does.

It seems to me to be an issue with the router, port forwarding and so forth
since I can do everything from inside the network.  OTOH, I don't know that
my request is even getting out to the internet, never mind back in.

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Eric Barro
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 8:08 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Serv-U


How are you trying to get back out and into your FTP server? 

Are you trying to get to it using a different machine? 

Check the firewall settings on the machine to see if it is accepting outside
connections for the protocol that FTP is listening on. To check if a
particular port is being used by a protocol go to the command prompt and
type NETSTAT -a.


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Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 4:54 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; Tech - Database
Advisors Inc.
Subject: [AccessD] Serv-U

I am trying to get Serv-U FTP server going on my server here in my office.
The install was simple and just worked.  It works just fine inside of my
network, using ftp://192.168.122.106 (the server IP address) but I cannot
see it going out to the internet and coming back in.  I have a dlink 624 (I
think) router, in which I have forwarded ports 20 and 21 to 192.168.122.106.
I just cannot see the server, from my laptop, going out and back in.

One of my tech assists suggested that my ISP might be blocking port 20/21,
so I set up the server to look for the ftp at 59999 and then used :59999 at
the end to try and force contact at that port.  That does not work either.

Can anyone suggest how to test this thing, coming in from the outside?  If
anyone out there knows this stuff, and in particular has experience with
Serv-U, can you assist me in getting this working.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Wed Aug  3 12:27:07 2005
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (DWUTKA at marlow.com)
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 12:27:07 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] Serv-U
Message-ID: <123701F54509D9119A4F00D0B747349016DBD3@main2.marlow.com>

Then if you are truly hitting it from the outside, it is getting blocked by
your ISP.  I'd call and ask why you can't come back into your own computer
from the outside.  Just tell them you want to get stuff from your home
machine when you are at work...

Drew

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Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 12:18 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Serv-U


I have logging on already, but I am not seeing anything that looks like
attempts to hit the FTP port (or the port I set up for port forwarding).

John W. Colby
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Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 12:03 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Serv-U


Turn the logging on, on your router.  I have a DI-624, and I know it has a
decent logger.  That will let you know what is coming back at it.

Drew

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Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 7:45 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; Tech - Database
Advisors Inc.
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Serv-U


All of the machines in my network have Sygate personal firewall installed on
them, but I have unloaded (closed) that on both the server and my laptop
which I am using to test the FTP server.  From my laptop, inside of my
network, I can use IE to go to the server ftp address, see the ftp
directories etc.  I am asked for the username and password by the FTP
server, and once I enter them I can see the directories.  I can send files
from my laptop to the directories for that username.  I can move files into
those directories directly on the server machine, and I can then see them
using IE Explorer and FTPing into that machine (locally).

As for "going out and back in, I use No-IP to discover my IP address
assigned by the cable company.  I then enter that at IE address bar:
ftp://68.198.141.18  Doing that, IE "hangs for a long time", then comes back
and says it can't find the address.

One thing that I have discovered is that the WAN IP address is
192.168.102.100, and the "default gateway" is 192.168.102.1 for the WAN
according to the router, whereas the interior IP group is 192.168.122.1XX -
(100-199).  The LAN IP address is 192.168.122.1  Why is the wan .102.100 and
everything else 122.1xx?

I have no clue what that means, just that is seems strange to me.  

The router is the DHCP server for the network (which is a workgroup) and the
FTP Server is assigned .106 all of the time, with other machines also
assigned specific addresses.  I did this so that I could vnc / remote
desktop in to my LAN from outside and count on getting to specific machines.
I have had all of that working in the past, though I don't guarantee that it
still does.

It seems to me to be an issue with the router, port forwarding and so forth
since I can do everything from inside the network.  OTOH, I don't know that
my request is even getting out to the internet, never mind back in.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 8:08 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Serv-U


How are you trying to get back out and into your FTP server? 

Are you trying to get to it using a different machine? 

Check the firewall settings on the machine to see if it is accepting outside
connections for the protocol that FTP is listening on. To check if a
particular port is being used by a protocol go to the command prompt and
type NETSTAT -a.


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Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 4:54 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; Tech - Database
Advisors Inc.
Subject: [AccessD] Serv-U

I am trying to get Serv-U FTP server going on my server here in my office.
The install was simple and just worked.  It works just fine inside of my
network, using ftp://192.168.122.106 (the server IP address) but I cannot
see it going out to the internet and coming back in.  I have a dlink 624 (I
think) router, in which I have forwarded ports 20 and 21 to 192.168.122.106.
I just cannot see the server, from my laptop, going out and back in.

One of my tech assists suggested that my ISP might be blocking port 20/21,
so I set up the server to look for the ftp at 59999 and then used :59999 at
the end to try and force contact at that port.  That does not work either.

Can anyone suggest how to test this thing, coming in from the outside?  If
anyone out there knows this stuff, and in particular has experience with
Serv-U, can you assist me in getting this working.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From greggs at msn.com  Wed Aug  3 13:34:29 2005
From: greggs at msn.com (Gregg)
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 13:34:29 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Memo field parsing
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8689A725@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <BAY103-DAV170E9C2A892FE4C7694012C6C50@phx.gbl>

So, you're saying I need to loop through all the characters until I find the last whole word that will fit on the first line, the same for the second etc. until I determine what text will fit in the first page text field and use what's left for the 2nd page?
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Charlotte Foust<mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com> 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving<mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com> 
  Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 11:02 AM
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] Memo field parsing


  You can't do it by simply counting characters anyhow.  You have to use
  the TextWidth property, which can be expressed as
  reportname.TextWidth(stringvariable) and compare that to the textwidth
  of the control ( reportname.TextWidth(controlobject) or to the maximum
  length you want to display.  You'll also want to allow a padding factor
  to avoid overrunning the  borders of the control and be sure and check
  for carriage returns because they confuse the issue.

  If you want to display 3 "lines", you'll have to break the memo field
  into the first three chunks that will fit into the textwidth of the
  textbox you're using to display the text on that page.

  Charlotte Foust


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  Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 8:43 AM
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Memo field parsing


  Charlotte

  Physical space I think because I don't know how to get from one to the
  other.  The number of characters is going to be dependant on the how
  many characters are lost to word wrapping isn't it?  Is there a way to
  calculate the number of characters that will appear in the first three
  lines?  If I knew that, I could do it.
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Charlotte Foust<mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com<mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com>> 
    To: Access Developers discussion and problem
  solving<mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com<mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com>> 
    Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 10:28 AM
    Subject: RE: [AccessD] Memo field parsing


    Define "first three lines".   Is that a particular number of
  characters
    or a physical space?

    Charlotte Foust


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    Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 7:32 AM
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    Subject: [AccessD] Memo field parsing


    I would like to parse a memo field in a A97 report such that the first
    three lines is on the first page and whatever is left is on the next.
    Any ideas?

    Gregg Steinbrenner
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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Wed Aug  3 14:05:39 2005
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2005 12:05:39 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Menu problems
References: <000601c597fd$7a9a2690$0100000a@GALAXY.local>
Message-ID: <42F11583.2020606@shaw.ca>

Just a couple of guesses to try

CTRL+F11 Toggles between the custom menu bar and the built-in menu bar

There are ways to lose some bits that may require a reinstall of Access
One being, not holding the ctrl key down when dragging items to create a 
customized bar
This does a copy and not a move. A move can get lost.

There is a reset button in Tools Customize Options but I have never had 
to use.


You might try importing all objects to a band new mdb just in case mdb 
corruption is the cause.


You can try toggling the various ToolBars through code
Some are

DoCmd.ShowToolbar "Database", acToolbarYes
DoCmd.ShowToolbar "Menu Bar", acToolbarYes

Function ShowMenu()
On Error Resume Next
    DoCmd.ShowToolBar "Menu Bar", acToolbarYes
End Function

Function HideMenu()
On Error Resume Next
    DoCmd.ShowToolBar "Menu Bar", acToolbarNo
End Function


Function ShowToolBar()
On Error Resume Next
    DoCmd.ShowToolBar "Form View", acToolbarYes
End Function


Function HideToolBar()
On Error Resume Next
    DoCmd.ShowToolBar "Form View", acToolbarNo
End Function


| Marcel Vreuls wrote:

>Hi,
>
>I've got the strangest problem. I have a quit large frontend A2K MDB/MDE. I
>cannot recall since when. I guess about 4 weeks not all menus are visible
>anymore. For example i had a dropdown File menu a view menu and a settings
>menu. The view menu is working fine but the other two show no options
>anymore. Only a grey square like option with no menu options
>anymore!?!?!??!?!?
>
>I have about 300 deployed clients through the country and they are all
>working fine. So no worries now and It seems this problem only occurs on my
>pc and laptop. But it develops and tests very bad.
>
>Thx Marcel
>
>  
>

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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Wed Aug  3 14:44:13 2005
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2005 12:44:13 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Menu problems
References: <000601c597fd$7a9a2690$0100000a@GALAXY.local>
Message-ID: <42F11E8D.8020101@shaw.ca>

This may help too should apply to Access 2000
Restore original toolbar, button, and command settings Access 2003
http://office.microsoft.com/en-ca/assistance/HP051890321033.aspx

or try
Right-click on the menu bar, and select "Customize...".  On the
Customize dialog, select "Menu Bar", then click the "Reset ..." button.
When prompted, confirm that you want to reset the tool bar.


| Marcel Vreuls wrote:

>Hi,
>
>I've got the strangest problem. I have a quit large frontend A2K MDB/MDE. I
>cannot recall since when. I guess about 4 weeks not all menus are visible
>anymore. For example i had a dropdown File menu a view menu and a settings
>menu. The view menu is working fine but the other two show no options
>anymore. Only a grey square like option with no menu options
>anymore!?!?!??!?!?
>
>I have about 300 deployed clients through the country and they are all
>working fine. So no worries now and It seems this problem only occurs on my
>pc and laptop. But it develops and tests very bad.
>
>Thx Marcel
>
>  
>

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From vrm at tim-cms.com  Wed Aug  3 16:00:08 2005
From: vrm at tim-cms.com (| Marcel Vreuls)
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 23:00:08 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Menu problems
In-Reply-To: <42F11583.2020606@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <000e01c5986e$5502d280$0100000a@GALAXY.local>

Marty,

Thanks, pushing the resetbutton and remove usage data button for about 10
times. Start msaccess with the /decompile option my toolbars are
back.....Strano Mavero like italians say or very strange in plain englisch.

Tnxs a lot,

Marcel

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
Sent: woensdag 3 augustus 2005 21:06
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Menu problems


Just a couple of guesses to try

CTRL+F11 Toggles between the custom menu bar and the built-in menu bar

There are ways to lose some bits that may require a reinstall of Access
One being, not holding the ctrl key down when dragging items to create a
customized bar
This does a copy and not a move. A move can get lost.

There is a reset button in Tools Customize Options but I have never had
to use.


You might try importing all objects to a band new mdb just in case mdb
corruption is the cause.


You can try toggling the various ToolBars through code
Some are

DoCmd.ShowToolbar "Database", acToolbarYes
DoCmd.ShowToolbar "Menu Bar", acToolbarYes

Function ShowMenu()
On Error Resume Next
    DoCmd.ShowToolBar "Menu Bar", acToolbarYes
End Function

Function HideMenu()
On Error Resume Next
    DoCmd.ShowToolBar "Menu Bar", acToolbarNo
End Function


Function ShowToolBar()
On Error Resume Next
    DoCmd.ShowToolBar "Form View", acToolbarYes
End Function


Function HideToolBar()
On Error Resume Next
    DoCmd.ShowToolBar "Form View", acToolbarNo
End Function


| Marcel Vreuls wrote:

>Hi,
>
>I've got the strangest problem. I have a quit large frontend A2K MDB/MDE. I
>cannot recall since when. I guess about 4 weeks not all menus are visible
>anymore. For example i had a dropdown File menu a view menu and a settings
>menu. The view menu is working fine but the other two show no options
>anymore. Only a grey square like option with no menu options
>anymore!?!?!??!?!?
>
>I have about 300 deployed clients through the country and they are all
>working fine. So no worries now and It seems this problem only occurs on my
>pc and laptop. But it develops and tests very bad.
>
>Thx Marcel
>
>
>

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From kimjwiggins at yahoo.com  Wed Aug  3 16:26:24 2005
From: kimjwiggins at yahoo.com (Kim Wiggins)
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 14:26:24 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Problems with word Automation
In-Reply-To: <20050802225714.76759.qmail@web53604.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20050803212624.16392.qmail@web53605.mail.yahoo.com>

When I try to remove the reference on my computer and try to run the application it errors out.  Shouldn't it run on my system without a reference if I am using late binding like you said?  Should I try to set the reference at runtime with a command that references the appropriate object on the system I am using?  Does anyone know what the syntax is to set the reference at runtime?  Does that mean I need to download msword8.olb and msword9.olb?  If so, where do I get those from?  Here is my code:
 
Private Sub cmdLogEntry_Click()
   ' Declare the variable.
   Dim objWD As Word.Application
   Dim WordDoc As Word.Document
   Dim WordRange As Word.Range
   Dim strPath As String
   Dim strFile As String
   Dim strFile1 As String
   Dim strFile2 As String
   Dim strFile3 As String
   Dim strFile4 As String
   Dim strDate As String
   Dim strDate2 As Variant
   Dim strDate1 As String
   Dim strActions As String
   Dim strActions1 As String
   strDate2 = Null
   
   On Error GoTo SubErr
   ' Set the variable (runs new instance of Word.)
   Set objWD = CreateObject("Word.Application")
   
   'make application visible
   objWD.Application.Visible = True
 
   'Get Path of Current DB
    strPath = frmSplash.strPath
    
   'Strip FileName to Get Path to Doc
    Do
        lngInStr = InStr(lngInStr + 1, strPath, "\")
    Loop While (InStr(lngInStr + 1, strPath, "\") <> 0)
    
    'Get path up to the last ?\?
    strPath = Left(strPath, lngInStr)
    
    'Append document name onto the end of the stripped path
    strFile = strPath & "AirframeTemplate.doc"
    strFile1 = strPath & "RtEngineTemplate.doc"
    strFile2 = strPath & "LtEngineTemplate.doc"
    strFile3 = strPath & "RtPropTemplate.doc"
    strFile4 = strPath & "LtPropTemplate.doc"
    
    'open the word document
    Set doc = objWD.Documents.Open(strFile)

   
Kim Wiggins <kimjwiggins at yahoo.com> wrote:
Thanks so much Marty and Marcel for helping me to understand this better. This is my first attempt at automation. Unfortunately, I will not see this user until Saturday so I can't test it out until then but I will let you know next week if everything went well. Thanks

MartyConnelly wrote:You are using late binding so you don't need any references set to Word, 
which maybe causing the problem
It might be useful to have a reference if using intellisense or looking 
at object browser
but you would remove the reference before deploying with late binding.
With late binding it will grab the highest version of word on the system
You might be using some esoteric part of word say using xml file 
routines that don't exist
in Word 97, so you may want to check the version of word running to 
avoid problems
with lower versions.

On Error Resume Next
' grab word if already running
Set objWord = GetObject(, "Word.Application")
On Error GoTo 0
' or if word not already running error Err.Number = 429 or 
set to nothing
If objWord Is Nothing Then

Set objWord = CreateObject("Word.Application")
Debug.Print objWord.Version

' if Word 97 SP2 then Word Version= 8.0b
' Word 9 opens a separate window for each document.
' Prior to Word 9, all documents opened in the same window.
End If


Kim Wiggins wrote:

>I am using 
>Set objWord = CreateObject("Word.Application")
>
>Do you think that could be the problem?
>Kim
> 
>
>MartyConnelly wrote:
>Are you using early or late binding.
>Set objWord = CreateObject("Word.Application")
>or
>Set objWord = New Word.Application
>Funny things may happen with early binding if newer versions of word 
>installed and then uninstalled.
>
>Kim Wiggins wrote:
>
> 
>
>>Hey everyone
>>Hope all is well. I am not. I coded an automation report in VB6 using Word and it works fine on my work laptop and my laptop at home. But when I install it on the users computer, it gives me the standard application error and shuts down. It says "My_app_name has encountered an error and must close" and then it offers to send a report. Well that is flooring me because it runs in the development environment on both machines just fine. 
>>Can anyone think of anything that I am missing or overlooking?
>>Thanks
>>Kim
>>
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed Aug  3 17:33:09 2005
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 15:33:09 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Memo field parsing
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8689A72A@infoserver01.infostat.local>

No, get the textwidth of the control and see if the textwidth of the
text is greater than that.  Handle the situation where it is not and
everything fits in the first control.  Otherwise get the text that fits
within the control textwidth and use instrRev to find the last space in
that substring.  Break it there.  At that point, you also know the index
of the starting point for the rest of the string, so all you need to do
for the next page is use the Mid(text, index) to put the rest of it into
the second page.

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Gregg [mailto:greggs at msn.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 11:34 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Memo field parsing


So, you're saying I need to loop through all the characters until I find
the last whole word that will fit on the first line, the same for the
second etc. until I determine what text will fit in the first page text
field and use what's left for the 2nd page?
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Charlotte Foust<mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com> 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem
solving<mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com> 
  Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 11:02 AM
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] Memo field parsing


  You can't do it by simply counting characters anyhow.  You have to use
  the TextWidth property, which can be expressed as
  reportname.TextWidth(stringvariable) and compare that to the textwidth
  of the control ( reportname.TextWidth(controlobject) or to the maximum
  length you want to display.  You'll also want to allow a padding
factor
  to avoid overrunning the  borders of the control and be sure and check
  for carriage returns because they confuse the issue.

  If you want to display 3 "lines", you'll have to break the memo field
  into the first three chunks that will fit into the textwidth of the
  textbox you're using to display the text on that page.

  Charlotte Foust


  -----Original Message-----
  From: Gregg [mailto:greggs at msn.com] 
  Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 8:43 AM
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Memo field parsing


  Charlotte

  Physical space I think because I don't know how to get from one to the
  other.  The number of characters is going to be dependant on the how
  many characters are lost to word wrapping isn't it?  Is there a way to
  calculate the number of characters that will appear in the first three
  lines?  If I knew that, I could do it.
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Charlotte
Foust<mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com<mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.co
m>> 
    To: Access Developers discussion and problem
 
solving<mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com<mailto:accessd at databaseadvis
ors.com>> 
    Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 10:28 AM
    Subject: RE: [AccessD] Memo field parsing


    Define "first three lines".   Is that a particular number of
  characters
    or a physical space?

    Charlotte Foust


    -----Original Message-----
    From: Gregg [mailto:greggs at msn.com] 
    Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 7:32 AM
    To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
    Subject: [AccessD] Memo field parsing


    I would like to parse a memo field in a A97 report such that the
first
    three lines is on the first page and whatever is left is on the
next.
    Any ideas?

    Gregg Steinbrenner
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From greggs at msn.com  Wed Aug  3 17:49:20 2005
From: greggs at msn.com (Gregg)
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 17:49:20 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Memo field parsing
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8689A72A@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <BAY103-DAV9BF45769C396DC8C04B05C6C50@phx.gbl>

Thanks Charlotte!  I give it a try.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Charlotte Foust<mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com> 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving<mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com> 
  Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 5:33 PM
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] Memo field parsing


  No, get the textwidth of the control and see if the textwidth of the
  text is greater than that.  Handle the situation where it is not and
  everything fits in the first control.  Otherwise get the text that fits
  within the control textwidth and use instrRev to find the last space in
  that substring.  Break it there.  At that point, you also know the index
  of the starting point for the rest of the string, so all you need to do
  for the next page is use the Mid(text, index) to put the rest of it into
  the second page.

  Charlotte Foust


  -----Original Message-----
  From: Gregg [mailto:greggs at msn.com] 
  Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 11:34 AM
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Memo field parsing


  So, you're saying I need to loop through all the characters until I find
  the last whole word that will fit on the first line, the same for the
  second etc. until I determine what text will fit in the first page text
  field and use what's left for the 2nd page?
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Charlotte Foust<mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com<mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com>> 
    To: Access Developers discussion and problem
  solving<mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com<mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com>> 
    Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 11:02 AM
    Subject: RE: [AccessD] Memo field parsing


    You can't do it by simply counting characters anyhow.  You have to use
    the TextWidth property, which can be expressed as
    reportname.TextWidth(stringvariable) and compare that to the textwidth
    of the control ( reportname.TextWidth(controlobject) or to the maximum
    length you want to display.  You'll also want to allow a padding
  factor
    to avoid overrunning the  borders of the control and be sure and check
    for carriage returns because they confuse the issue.

    If you want to display 3 "lines", you'll have to break the memo field
    into the first three chunks that will fit into the textwidth of the
    textbox you're using to display the text on that page.

    Charlotte Foust


    -----Original Message-----
    From: Gregg [mailto:greggs at msn.com] 
    Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 8:43 AM
    To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
    Subject: Re: [AccessD] Memo field parsing


    Charlotte

    Physical space I think because I don't know how to get from one to the
    other.  The number of characters is going to be dependant on the how
    many characters are lost to word wrapping isn't it?  Is there a way to
    calculate the number of characters that will appear in the first three
    lines?  If I knew that, I could do it.
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: Charlotte
  Foust<mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com<mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.co<mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com<mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.co>
  m>> 
      To: Access Developers discussion and problem
   
  solving<mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com<mailto:accessd at databaseadvis<mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com<mailto:accessd at databaseadvis>
  ors.com>> 
      Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 10:28 AM
      Subject: RE: [AccessD] Memo field parsing


      Define "first three lines".   Is that a particular number of
    characters
      or a physical space?

      Charlotte Foust


      -----Original Message-----
      From: Gregg [mailto:greggs at msn.com] 
      Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 7:32 AM
      To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
      Subject: [AccessD] Memo field parsing


      I would like to parse a memo field in a A97 report such that the
  first
      three lines is on the first page and whatever is left is on the
  next.
      Any ideas?

      Gregg Steinbrenner
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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Wed Aug  3 18:49:56 2005
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2005 16:49:56 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Problems with word Automation
References: <20050803212624.16392.qmail@web53605.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <42F15824.60104@shaw.ca>

  'For early binding with a reference to Word
  ' Dim objWD As Word.Application
  ' Dim WordDoc As Word.Document
  ' Dim WordRange As Word.Range

  'For Late binding without a reference to Word use generic Object

   Dim objWD As Object
   Dim WordDoc As Object
   Dim WordRange As Object
    ' In certain cases using nodes, you may have to use a variant rather than Object

There is a way to handle all this with conditional compile statements
but it is sometimes easier to just add and switch comment out statements 
as needed.


Kim Wiggins wrote:

>When I try to remove the reference on my computer and try to run the application it errors out.  Shouldn't it run on my system without a reference if I am using late binding like you said?  Should I try to set the reference at runtime with a command that references the appropriate object on the system I am using?  Does anyone know what the syntax is to set the reference at runtime?  Does that mean I need to download msword8.olb and msword9.olb?  If so, where do I get those from?  Here is my code:
> 
>Private Sub cmdLogEntry_Click()
>   ' Declare the variable.
>   Dim objWD As Word.Application
>   Dim WordDoc As Word.Document
>   Dim WordRange As Word.Range
>   Dim strPath As String
>   Dim strFile As String
>   Dim strFile1 As String
>   Dim strFile2 As String
>   Dim strFile3 As String
>   Dim strFile4 As String
>   Dim strDate As String
>   Dim strDate2 As Variant
>   Dim strDate1 As String
>   Dim strActions As String
>   Dim strActions1 As String
>   strDate2 = Null
>   
>   On Error GoTo SubErr
>   ' Set the variable (runs new instance of Word.)
>   Set objWD = CreateObject("Word.Application")
>   
>   'make application visible
>   objWD.Application.Visible = True
> 
>   'Get Path of Current DB
>    strPath = frmSplash.strPath
>    
>   'Strip FileName to Get Path to Doc
>    Do
>        lngInStr = InStr(lngInStr + 1, strPath, "\")
>    Loop While (InStr(lngInStr + 1, strPath, "\") <> 0)
>    
>    'Get path up to the last \
>    strPath = Left(strPath, lngInStr)
>    
>    'Append document name onto the end of the stripped path
>    strFile = strPath & "AirframeTemplate.doc"
>    strFile1 = strPath & "RtEngineTemplate.doc"
>    strFile2 = strPath & "LtEngineTemplate.doc"
>    strFile3 = strPath & "RtPropTemplate.doc"
>    strFile4 = strPath & "LtPropTemplate.doc"
>    
>    'open the word document
>    Set doc = objWD.Documents.Open(strFile)
>
>   
>Kim Wiggins <kimjwiggins at yahoo.com> wrote:
>Thanks so much Marty and Marcel for helping me to understand this better. This is my first attempt at automation. Unfortunately, I will not see this user until Saturday so I can't test it out until then but I will let you know next week if everything went well. Thanks
>
>MartyConnelly wrote:You are using late binding so you don't need any references set to Word, 
>which maybe causing the problem
>It might be useful to have a reference if using intellisense or looking 
>at object browser
>but you would remove the reference before deploying with late binding.
>With late binding it will grab the highest version of word on the system
>You might be using some esoteric part of word say using xml file 
>routines that don't exist
>in Word 97, so you may want to check the version of word running to 
>avoid problems
>with lower versions.
>
>On Error Resume Next
>' grab word if already running
>Set objWord = GetObject(, "Word.Application")
>On Error GoTo 0
>' or if word not already running error Err.Number = 429 or 
>set to nothing
>If objWord Is Nothing Then
>
>Set objWord = CreateObject("Word.Application")
>Debug.Print objWord.Version
>
>' if Word 97 SP2 then Word Version= 8.0b
>' Word 9 opens a separate window for each document.
>' Prior to Word 9, all documents opened in the same window.
>End If
>
>
>Kim Wiggins wrote:
>
>  
>
>>I am using 
>>Set objWord = CreateObject("Word.Application")
>>
>>Do you think that could be the problem?
>>Kim
>>
>>
>>MartyConnelly wrote:
>>Are you using early or late binding.
>>Set objWord = CreateObject("Word.Application")
>>or
>>Set objWord = New Word.Application
>>Funny things may happen with early binding if newer versions of word 
>>installed and then uninstalled.
>>
>>Kim Wiggins wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>    
>>
>>>Hey everyone
>>>Hope all is well. I am not. I coded an automation report in VB6 using Word and it works fine on my work laptop and my laptop at home. But when I install it on the users computer, it gives me the standard application error and shuts down. It says "My_app_name has encountered an error and must close" and then it offers to send a report. Well that is flooring me because it runs in the development environment on both machines just fine. 
>>>Can anyone think of anything that I am missing or overlooking?
>>>Thanks
>>>Kim
>>>
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From pcantoni at erggroup.com  Wed Aug  3 20:58:07 2005
From: pcantoni at erggroup.com (Paolo Cantoni)
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 09:58:07 +0800
Subject: [AccessD] A2K & Oracle10g via ODBC - wrong Primary Key
Message-ID: <OF7D16779A.44EAA83B-ON48257053.000A30BB-48257053.000AD06E@erggroup.com>

Hi,

I've found a _gotcha_ in using Access 2000 to connect to an Oracle 10g 
database.  I haven't tested this beyond this combination.

It turns out, that if you have more than one unique key defined for an 
Oracle table (at the time you link with ODBC), Access will get confused 
about which is the primary key.  Accordingly, it will mark ALL the rows 
and columns as #Deleted.

It can be worked around by splitting the table definition and loading 
process in two... First declare the table with only a primary key, link to 
it with Access, then add the rest of the table definitions (other unique 
constraints, foreign keys etc...)

Seems to work "without loss of generality" UNTIL you re-link! 

Anyone else observed this or got a fix (as opposed to a workaround).

Thanx,

            Paolo Cantoni, Data Architect
ERG Group
247 Balcatta Road Balcatta WA 6021 Australia
Tel: + 61 8 9273 1287 Fax: +61 8 9273 1535
Email: pcantoni at erggroup.com Website: www.erggroup.com
There is no such thing as an inconsistently correct system...
...Therefore, aim for consistency; in the expectation of achieving 
correctness!

From pcantoni at erggroup.com  Wed Aug  3 21:16:45 2005
From: pcantoni at erggroup.com (Paolo Cantoni)
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 10:16:45 +0800
Subject: [AccessD] Cutting down on post clutter...
Message-ID: <OFA8B6D20B.542C606C-ON48257053.000C217C-48257053.000C8528@erggroup.com>

Hi,

I get the digest and it's very hard sometimes to read through 5 pages of 
repeated responses to find the 5 lines of new input...

Can I please ask that posters keep only the relevant bits of previous 
posts?  It takes only a few extra seconds and indicates a degree of 
etiquette - not to mention saving trees and electrons...

Thanx,

            Paolo Cantoni, Data Architect
ERG Group
247 Balcatta Road Balcatta WA 6021 Australia
Tel: + 61 8 9273 1287 Fax: +61 8 9273 1535
Email: pcantoni at erggroup.com Website: www.erggroup.com
There is no such thing as an inconsistently correct system...
...Therefore, aim for consistency; in the expectation of achieving 
correctness!

From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Wed Aug  3 21:46:16 2005
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2005 19:46:16 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Problems with word Automation
References: <20050803212624.16392.qmail@web53605.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <42F18178.6070009@shaw.ca>

Not to worry you will eventualy "grok this" and/or "the penny will drop".

If you want to early bind, you should use the oldest MsWord olb file 
available to your clients and to you.
as Access will upgrade the reference to the latest version available, 
Now this is the way it is supposed to work
But if you have installed Office 2003 trial version of Word on a system 
that has also got Office 97
The trial expires and you remove Office 2003 Word and install Access 
2003 then try and early bind
to Word 97 it will complain about unregistered MSWORD8.OLB
At this point you give up and use late binding also giving up some speed.


I just realized something, that I hadn't understood before.

In VBA the way you specify how the object is bound is by your object 
declaration.
If you declare an object variable as "Object"
you are, in fact, telling Visual Basic to use IDispatch, and are 
therefore late binding:
So either Call method works with early binding
when you set a declared object variable such as Word

Dim objWD As Word.Application
Set objWD = CreateObject("Word.Application")
or
Set objWD = New Word.Application

Also Here is how to do a conditional compile to select early and late 
binding by just switching a constant.


Option Explicit
#Const LateBindWord = False

'look up condition compile in help #IF...THEN ... #Else Directive
'INFO: Using Early Binding and Late Binding in Automation
'http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/kb/245115
'http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?kbid=242375
'PRB: Office 97 Automation Client Fails After Re-compilation with Office 
2000
'or Later Type Library
'http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?kbid=242375
'INFO: Use DISPID Binding to Automate Office Applications Whenever Possible
'http://support.microsoft.com/kb/247579
'INFO: Writing Automation Clients for Multiple Office Versions
'http://support.microsoft.com/kb/244167

Public Sub cmdLogEntry_Click()
' Declare the variable.
#If LateBindWord Then
'For Late binding without a reference to Word olb use generic Object
Dim objWD As Object
Dim WordDoc As Object
Dim WordRange As Object
#Else
'For early binding with a reference to Word
Dim objWD As Word.Application
Dim WordDoc As Word.Document
Dim WordRange As Word.Range
#End If

Dim strPath As String
Dim strFile As String
Dim strFile1 As String
Dim strFile2 As String
Dim strFile3 As String
Dim strFile4 As String
Dim strDate As String
Dim strDate2 As Variant
Dim strDate1 As String
Dim strActions As String
Dim strActions1 As String
strDate2 = Null
'On Error GoTo SubErr
' Set the variable (runs new instance of Word.)

#If LateBindWord Then
Set objWD = CreateObject("Word.Application")
#Else
'Again, in Visual Basic the way you specify how the object is bound is 
by your object declaration.
' If you declare an object variable as "Object"
' you are, in fact, telling Visual Basic to use IDispatch, and are 
therefore late binding:
' So either Call method works and this doesn't matter
Set objWD = CreateObject("Word.Application")
'Set objWD = New Word.Application
#End If

'make application visible
objWD.Application.Visible = True

'Get Path of Current DB
strFile = "C:\Access files\SharePoint\Using Microsoft Windows SharePoint 
Services with the Microsoft Office System.doc"
'open the word document
Set WordDoc = objWD.Documents.Open(strFile)
'blah blah blah
End Sub

Kim Wiggins wrote:

>When I try to remove the reference on my computer and try to run the application it errors out.  Shouldn't it run on my system without a reference if I am using late binding like you said?  Should I try to set the reference at runtime with a command that references the appropriate object on the system I am using?  Does anyone know what the syntax is to set the reference at runtime?  Does that mean I need to download msword8.olb and msword9.olb?  If so, where do I get those from?  Here is my code:
> 
>Private Sub cmdLogEntry_Click()
>   ' Declare the variable.
>   Dim objWD As Word.Application
>   Dim WordDoc As Word.Document
>   Dim WordRange As Word.Range
>   Dim strPath As String
>   Dim strFile As String
>   Dim strFile1 As String
>   Dim strFile2 As String
>   Dim strFile3 As String
>   Dim strFile4 As String
>   Dim strDate As String
>   Dim strDate2 As Variant
>   Dim strDate1 As String
>   Dim strActions As String
>   Dim strActions1 As String
>   strDate2 = Null
>   
>   On Error GoTo SubErr
>   ' Set the variable (runs new instance of Word.)
>   Set objWD = CreateObject("Word.Application")
>   
>   'make application visible
>   objWD.Application.Visible = True
> 
>   'Get Path of Current DB
>    strPath = frmSplash.strPath
>    
>   'Strip FileName to Get Path to Doc
>    Do
>        lngInStr = InStr(lngInStr + 1, strPath, "\")
>    Loop While (InStr(lngInStr + 1, strPath, "\") <> 0)
>    
>    'Get path up to the last \
>    strPath = Left(strPath, lngInStr)
>    
>    'Append document name onto the end of the stripped path
>    strFile = strPath & "AirframeTemplate.doc"
>    strFile1 = strPath & "RtEngineTemplate.doc"
>    strFile2 = strPath & "LtEngineTemplate.doc"
>    strFile3 = strPath & "RtPropTemplate.doc"
>    strFile4 = strPath & "LtPropTemplate.doc"
>    
>    'open the word document
>    Set doc = objWD.Documents.Open(strFile)
>
>   
>Kim Wiggins <kimjwiggins at yahoo.com> wrote:
>Thanks so much Marty and Marcel for helping me to understand this better. This is my first attempt at automation. Unfortunately, I will not see this user until Saturday so I can't test it out until then but I will let you know next week if everything went well. Thanks
>
>MartyConnelly wrote:You are using late binding so you don't need any references set to Word, 
>which maybe causing the problem
>It might be useful to have a reference if using intellisense or looking 
>at object browser
>but you would remove the reference before deploying with late binding.
>With late binding it will grab the highest version of word on the system
>You might be using some esoteric part of word say using xml file 
>routines that don't exist
>in Word 97, so you may want to check the version of word running to 
>avoid problems
>with lower versions.
>
>On Error Resume Next
>' grab word if already running
>Set objWord = GetObject(, "Word.Application")
>On Error GoTo 0
>' or if word not already running error Err.Number = 429 or 
>set to nothing
>If objWord Is Nothing Then
>
>Set objWord = CreateObject("Word.Application")
>Debug.Print objWord.Version
>
>' if Word 97 SP2 then Word Version= 8.0b
>' Word 9 opens a separate window for each document.
>' Prior to Word 9, all documents opened in the same window.
>End If
>
>
>Kim Wiggins wrote:
>
>  
>
>>I am using 
>>Set objWord = CreateObject("Word.Application")
>>
>>Do you think that could be the problem?
>>Kim
>>
>>
>>MartyConnelly wrote:
>>Are you using early or late binding.
>>Set objWord = CreateObject("Word.Application")
>>or
>>Set objWord = New Word.Application
>>Funny things may happen with early binding if newer versions of word 
>>installed and then uninstalled.
>>
>>Kim Wiggins wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>    
>>
>>>Hey everyone
>>>Hope all is well. I am not. I coded an automation report in VB6 using Word and it works fine on my work laptop and my laptop at home. But when I install it on the users computer, it gives me the standard application error and shuts down. It says "My_app_name has encountered an error and must close" and then it offers to send a report. Well that is flooring me because it runs in the development environment on both machines just fine. 
>>>Can anyone think of anything that I am missing or overlooking?
>>>Thanks
>>>Kim
>>>
>>>
>>>---------------------------------
>>>Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>
>>    
>>
>
>  
>

-- 
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada





From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Aug  4 09:58:36 2005
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2005 10:58:36 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Withevents article
Message-ID: <008801c59905$00a18a00$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

I just rediscovered this:

http://vbadvisor.com/doc/13276

Which is a chapter on Withevents / RaiseEvent I wrote for Beginning Access
2002 VBA by Wrox Press.  Anyone looking for an intro to Withevents /
Raisevents might want to look at it.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/




From cyx5 at cdc.gov  Thu Aug  4 10:20:40 2005
From: cyx5 at cdc.gov (Nicholson, Karen)
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 11:20:40 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2003 Reports Not Working
Message-ID: <A5B5AA20555F594BA7B6BD2048E49E4376FD75@m-niosh-5.niosh.cdc.gov>

I have a new user, installed with Access 2003, running my XP database.
All is well, the references are fine, there are no code compilation
issues.  However, she can not open up a report.  If I go to the database
container and click on any report for a report preview, it acts like I
do not exist.  It does nothing.  What's up with this?  I am googling to
no avail.  Thanks.


From Gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Aug  4 10:46:32 2005
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2005 17:46:32 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2003 Reports Not Working
Message-ID: <s2f2549b.049@cactus.dk>

Hi 65

1. Have you tried to install a(nother) printer?

2. Open the report in design view, reassign the printer and save.

/gustav

>>> cyx5 at cdc.gov 08/04 5:20 pm >>>
I have a new user, installed with Access 2003, running my XP database.
All is well, the references are fine, there are no code compilation
issues.  However, she can not open up a report.  If I go to the
database
container and click on any report for a report preview, it acts like I
do not exist.  It does nothing.  What's up with this?  I am googling
to
no avail.  Thanks.



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Aug  4 11:01:04 2005
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2005 12:01:04 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Event sink order
Message-ID: <008901c5990d$b782e2c0$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

When a control's events are sunk in more than one class, the order that
events are sunk (which class gets control first) is determined by the order
that the classes are initialized.  In other words, if Class1 and Class2 sink
events for ComboZ, the class that is initialized LAST gets control FIRST -
IN A2K AND LATER!!!. In A97 the situation is reversed.

In order to test this, I created two classes, Class1 and Class2:

'**************************************************
Option Compare Database
Option Explicit

Const cstrClassName As String = "Class1"

Dim WithEvents mcbo As ComboBox
Const cstrEvProc As String = "[Event Procedure]"

Function Init(cbo As ComboBox)
    Set mcbo = cbo
    mcbo.AfterUpdate = cstrEvProc
End Function

Private Sub mcbo_AfterUpdate()
    debug.print cstrClassName
End Sub

'**************************************************
Option Compare Database
Option Explicit

Const cstrClassName As String = "Class2"

Dim WithEvents mcbo As ComboBox
Const cstrEvProc As String = "[Event Procedure]"

Function Init(cbo As ComboBox)
    Set mcbo = cbo
    mcbo.AfterUpdate = cstrEvProc
End Function

Private Sub mcbo_AfterUpdate()
    debug.print cstrClassName
End Sub

'**************************************************

Notice the only difference between the classes is the string constant that
"names" the class.

I then created a form that uses these two classes:

'**************************************************
Option Compare Database
Option Explicit
Dim fcls1 As Class1
Dim fcls2 As Class2
Private Sub Form_Open(Cancel As Integer)
    Set fcls1 = New Class1
    Set fcls2 = New Class2
    fcls2.Init Combo0
    fcls1.Init Combo0
End Sub

Private Sub Combo0_AfterUpdate()
    debug.print "Form event sink"
End Sub

'**************************************************

The form has a single combo box with a simple list of things to select.

In order to test whether it is the SET statement or the actual
initialization of the class, I SET the classes in order, but INITed the
classes in reverse order.

Opening the form and selecting an item in the combo caused:

Form event sink
Class2
Class1

To be printed in the debug window.

This is in Access2K.  Likewise in XP.

In A97 the OPPOSITE was true, i.e. the class initialized FIRST gets control
first.

I finally ran into a case where the order does matter.  In a client's
application, they use a set of 5 check boxes to denote different attributes
of a claim.  There are dependencies between the checkboxes, dictated by a
set of rules.

Private WithEvents mchkWorkComp As CheckBox
Private WithEvents mchkAutoRelated As CheckBox
Private WithEvents mchkAccident As CheckBox
Private WithEvents mchkIllness As CheckBox
Private WithEvents mchkMaternity As CheckBox

The rules go something like:

A Automobile claim IS an Accident, but NOT an illness.
An Illness is NOT an Accident or auto related 
A maternity claim is not an accident and vice versa

etc. etc.  

I built a class using withevents that sink the click event for these check
boxes, then use the following to "get it right"

Private Sub mchkWorkComp_Click()
    mchkMaternity.Value = False
    RaiseEvent Finished
End Sub
Private Sub mchkAutoRelated_Click()
    mchkAccident.Value = True
    mchkIllness.Value = False
    mchkMaternity.Value = False
    RaiseEvent Finished
End Sub
Private Sub mchkAccident_Click()
    mchkIllness.Value = False
    mchkMaternity.Value = False
    RaiseEvent Finished
End Sub
Private Sub mchkIllness_Click()
    mchkAccident.Value = False
    mchkAutoRelated.Value = False
    RaiseEvent Finished
End Sub
Private Sub mchkMaternity_Click()
    mchkAccident.Value = False
    mchkIllness.Value = True
    mchkAutoRelated.Value = False
    mchkWorkComp.Value = False
    RaiseEvent Finished
End Sub

The problem now is that the Benefit effective date of the policy depends on
just TWO of these check boxes, chkAccident and chkIllness.  I have an entire
class that performs the calculations required to calc the Benefit effective
date, and that class has to sink these two check boxes (accident / illness).
Thus I need the main class that manipulates ALL of the check boxes to gain
control first, get the various check boxes in the desired states, then my
class that calculates the dates needs to get control after the "check box
states" have been determined.

Given that requirement, and what we now know about sink order, I need to
make sure that the main check box class is initialized LAST, so that it gets
control FIRST.  

The order that events are sunk between classes can make a difference in how
you application operates.  If you get it wrong, you may have unintended
consequences that are difficult to track down.  

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/




From bheid at appdevgrp.com  Thu Aug  4 12:23:33 2005
From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid)
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 13:23:33 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Withevents article
In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30C4CD82@ADGSERVER>
Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30ABEDF1@ADGSERVER>

Thanks John.  I'll check it out.

Bobby

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 10:59 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Withevents article


I just rediscovered this:

http://vbadvisor.com/doc/13276

Which is a chapter on Withevents / RaiseEvent I wrote for Beginning Access
2002 VBA by Wrox Press.  Anyone looking for an intro to Withevents /
Raisevents might want to look at it.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 



From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com  Thu Aug  4 14:15:40 2005
From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester)
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 14:15:40 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Table locked
Message-ID: <F1DD538AE6BCE74EBE562DE51564D322F33497@houexch1.kindermorgan.com>

I have a database on my local C drive. When it opens it runs an autoexec
macro to run a query to make a table. I get a message that the table can
not be opened exclusively. How can this be and how do I determine what
has the table open? I have tried compacting and repairing and opening
the database exclusively with no success. Thanks.

 

Chester Kaup

Engineering Technician

Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP

Office (432) 688-3797

 

No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However a large
number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced.

FAX (432) 688-3799

 



From Susan.Klos at fldoe.org  Thu Aug  4 14:28:44 2005
From: Susan.Klos at fldoe.org (Klos, Susan)
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 15:28:44 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] "Find" combo box searches more than one table
Message-ID: <D78B10E8D3277D42B76BD76569E524170124633B@MAIL2.FLDOE.INT>

Is it possible to construct a "find" combo box that will search through
more than one table in the database?

 

Susan Klos

Senior Database Analyst

Evaluation and Reporting

Florida Department of Education

850-245-0708 

sc 205-0708

 



From rbgajewski at adelphia.net  Thu Aug  4 14:40:05 2005
From: rbgajewski at adelphia.net (Bob Gajewski)
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 15:40:05 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] A2K Unbound field on report error
In-Reply-To: <013801c56bf1$23408b10$0100a8c0@RazvojErvin>
Message-ID: <20050804194009.HCLV24042.mta11.adelphia.net@DG1P2N21>

Dear List

We have a report that prints one membership card at a time. I am probably
missing the most obvious thing here, but I just can't get this report to
print. I keep receiving:

-----------------------------------------------------

Run-time error; '2465'

Microsoft Access can't find the field 'Firefighter'
referred to in your expression.

-----------------------------------------------------

Any assistance or guidance would be most appreciated.

Thanks,

Bob Gajewski, Assistant Chief (and db Administrator)
Wales Center Volunteer Fire Company



Details:

rptMembershipCard
Source: qryMembershipCard
Fields:
  MemberNumber (bound to query field 'MemberNumber')
  txtFullName (bound to query field 'txtFullName')
  txtClass (unbound)
  // other fields have been not included here as they are not related to the
problem

qryMembershipCard
Source: tblMembers
Selected Fields:
  MemberNumber // using prompt to select one record
  txtFullName = [FirstName] & IIf(IsNull([MiddleInitial]),""," " &
[MiddleInitial] & ",") & " " & [LastName]
  booFirefighter
  booEMSProvider
  booFirePolice
  // other fields have been not included here as they are not related to the
problem

The CBF is:

***************** CODE BEGIN ************************
Private Sub Detail_Format(Cancel As Integer, FormatCount As Integer)

Dim booFirstClass As Boolean

booFirstClass = True

txtClass = ""

If [Firefighter] = True Then
    If booFirstClass = True Then
        txtClass = "Firefighter"
        booFirstClass = False
    Else
        txtClass = " " & "Firefighter"
    End If
End If
If [EMSProvider] = True Then
    If booFirstClass = True Then
        txtClass = "EMS Provider"
        booFirstClass = False
    Else
        txtClass = "," & "EMS Provider"
    End If
End If
If [FirePolice] = True Then
    If booFirstClass = True Then
        txtClass = "Fire Police"
        booFirstClass = False
    Else
        txtClass = "," & "Fire Police"
    End If
End If

If IsNull([txtClass]) Or [txtClass] = "" Then
    lblClass.Visible = False
End If
End Sub
****************** CODE END *************************



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Ervin Brindza
Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 02:13 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Insert Access Info Into Web page

Adam,
try to find an article in the Database Journal:
Convert Access Tables Into ASP Web Pages by Danny Lesandrini HTH,

    Ervin

----- Original Message -----
From: "MartyConnelly" <martyconnelly at shaw.ca>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 6:41 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Insert Access Info Into Web page


>
> Here are a few good ASP sites:
> o ASP101 Samples - http://www.asp101.com/samples o W3Schools ASP 
> Tutorial - http://www.w3schools.com/asp o Microsoft VBScript Language 
> Reference - 
> http://msdn.microsoft.com/scri-pting/default.htm?/scripting/V-BScript/d...
>
> There are several 100 dollar asp IIS Access solutions like
>
> http://www.access2asp.com/
>
> Or for a "quick and dirty" generic ASP open source solution to putting 
> databases on the Web (often works well for the admin area of a Web 
> site) that just requires setting up a configuration page for each 
> table or query and uploading the database to the Web as long as there 
> is an autonumber field in each table (and you'll probably also 
> separately want to create login capabilities), perhaps try something like
this:
> GenericDB by Eli Robillard. It has been around for 7 years and is used 
> in a lot of university labs.
> http://www.genericdb.com and then click on the Tips link to see an 
> example
>
>
> Mail List at
> http://aspadvice.com/SignUp/list.aspx?l=63&c=11
>
> Res-Com Environmental wrote:
>
> >Dear List:
> >
> >Is there a way that Access information (such as names and addresses) 
> >can
be
> >inserted into a website's form fields? We are trying to use a 
> >businesses website that doesn't offer special connections so we have 
> >to manually
enter
> >information from our database.
> >
> >Adam
> >ResCom
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> Marty Connelly
> Victoria, B.C.
> Canada
>
>
>
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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Thu Aug  4 14:49:05 2005
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 14:49:05 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Workgroup File Corrupt?
Message-ID: <000001c5992d$941417d0$0200a8c0@danwaters>

I recently had a client tell me that something went wrong with their
workgroup file.  The restored from a backup and all was OK.  I wasn't there
so I don't know more than that.

 

Has anyone had the experience where a workgroup file became corrupt?

 

Thanks,

Dan Waters

 



From adtp at touchtelindia.net  Thu Aug  4 14:57:38 2005
From: adtp at touchtelindia.net (A.D.Tejpal)
Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 01:27:38 +0530
Subject: [AccessD] Memo field parsing
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8689A72A@infoserver01.infostat.lo
	cal> <BAY103-DAV9BF45769C396DC8C04B05C6C50@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <007f01c5992e$f3bca8e0$ce1865cb@winxp>

Gregg,

    For sake of demonstration, let the source table named T_Memo consist of two fields, named ID (primary key - Autonumber) and Mem (memo type). 

    Create another table, named T_MemRef, with just one field named Ref (number type). Populate this table with just two records, with values 1 and 2 respectively. Query Q_Memo as given below, should be used as record source for your report. It involves Cartesian join between tables T_Memo and T_MemRef. 

    In detail section of your report, drag Mem and Ref from the field list, so as to create bound controls named Mem and Ref. Make these controls hidden, set their CanGrow property to "No" and position the same un-obtrusively. Insert an unbound text box named TxtMemo. This is the text box that would actually display the contents of memo field. Set the width and fonts as desired. Set the CanGrow property of this control as well as the detail section as a whole, to "Yes".

    In VBA window, put the code given below, in Detail_Format event of the report. Make sure that the item "On Format" in Event tab of properties dialog box shows [Event Procedure] against it.

    Now, when you run the report, first three lines of the memo field will get displayed on first page and the balance portion on the next page. Similar pattern would get repeated for all records.
    
Best wishes,
A.D.Tejpal
--------------

Source Query for the report (Q_Memo)
=====================================
SELECT T_Memo.ID, T_MemRef.Ref, T_Memo.Mem
FROM T_Memo, T_MemRef
ORDER BY T_Memo.ID, T_MemRef.Ref;
=====================================

Code in Report's Module
=====================================
Private Sub Detail_Format(Cancel As Integer, _
                                        FormatCount As Integer)
    Dim Wd As Long, Rw As Single, Mgn As Long
    Dim LenMem As Long, Txt As String, Lft As Long
    Dim LastSpace As Long, MaxRowsFirstPart
    Dim Mpf As Single
    
    MaxRowsFirstPart = 3
    LenMem = Len(Mem)
    If LenMem > 0 Then
    Else
        Exit Sub
    End If
    
    With Me
        ' Set the scale mode to twips
        .ScaleMode = 1
        ' Set Font values for report to match those of memo field.
        .FontName = TxtMemo.FontName
        .FontSize = TxtMemo.FontSize
        If TxtMemo.FontBold <> 0 Then
            .FontBold = True
        Else
            .FontBold = False
        End If
    End With
    
    ' Allow for necessary margin within a text box
    ' (Between its border and the content)
    Mgn = 170     ' This value may need fine tuning for
                            ' best results
    ' Get effective width of control meant for
    ' displaying memo field
    Wd = TxtMemo.Width - Mgn
    ' Get the number of characters so as to make-up the
    ' required number of rows for first part of memo field.
    For Lft = 1 To LenMem
        Txt = Left(Mem, Lft)
        LastSpace = IIf(Right(Txt, 1) = " ", Lft, LastSpace)
        Rw = TextWidth(Txt) / Wd
        If Rw > MaxRowsFirstPart Then
            Lft = Lft - 1
            Exit For
        End If
    Next
    Debug.Print Lft; ", "; LastSpace
    
    ' Get Multiplying factor for acceptable max location
    ' of last space.
    Mpf = (0.8 + (MaxRowsFirstPart - 1)) / MaxRowsFirstPart
    
    ' Shorten the first part to nearest space
    ' (if within 20 % of the end of line)
    If LastSpace > Mpf * Lft And LastSpace < Lft Then
        Lft = LastSpace
    End If
    
    ' Populate the unbound text box with appropriate
    ' part of memo field.
    If Ref = 1 Then
        TxtMemo = Left(Mem, Lft)
        ' Force New Page - Afer section, only if memo
        ' field contents not yet finished
        If LenMem > Lft Then
            Detail.ForceNewPage = 2
        Else
            Detail.ForceNewPage = 0   ' No break
        End If
    Else
        TxtMemo = Mid(Mem, Lft + 1)
        ' Force New Page - Afer section
        Detail.ForceNewPage = 2
    End If
End Sub
=====================================

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Gregg 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
  Cc: Robert Penn 
  Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 04:19
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Memo field parsing


  Thanks Charlotte!  I give it a try.

    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Charlotte Foust<mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com> 
    To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving<mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com> 
    Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 5:33 PM
    Subject: RE: [AccessD] Memo field parsing

    No, get the textwidth of the control and see if the textwidth of the text is greater than that.  Handle the situation where it is not and everything fits in the first control.  Otherwise get the text that fits within the control textwidth and use instrRev to find the last space in that substring.  Break it there.  

  At that point, you also know the index of the starting point for the rest of the string, so all you need to do for the next page is use the Mid(text, index) to put the rest of it into the second page.

  Charlotte Foust

    -----Original Message-----
    From: Gregg [mailto:greggs at msn.com] 
    Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 11:34 AM
    To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
    Subject: Re: [AccessD] Memo field parsing


    So, you're saying I need to loop through all the characters until I find
    the last whole word that will fit on the first line, the same for the
    second etc. until I determine what text will fit in the first page text
    field and use what's left for the 2nd page?
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: Charlotte Foust<mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com<mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com>> 
      To: Access Developers discussion and problem
    solving<mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com<mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com>> 
      Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 11:02 AM
      Subject: RE: [AccessD] Memo field parsing


      You can't do it by simply counting characters anyhow.  You have to use
      the TextWidth property, which can be expressed as
      reportname.TextWidth(stringvariable) and compare that to the textwidth
      of the control ( reportname.TextWidth(controlobject) or to the maximum
      length you want to display.  You'll also want to allow a padding
    factor
      to avoid overrunning the  borders of the control and be sure and check
      for carriage returns because they confuse the issue.

      If you want to display 3 "lines", you'll have to break the memo field
      into the first three chunks that will fit into the textwidth of the
      textbox you're using to display the text on that page.

      Charlotte Foust


      -----Original Message-----
      From: Gregg [mailto:greggs at msn.com] 
      Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 8:43 AM
      To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
      Subject: Re: [AccessD] Memo field parsing


      Charlotte

      Physical space I think because I don't know how to get from one to the
      other.  The number of characters is going to be dependant on the how
      many characters are lost to word wrapping isn't it?  Is there a way to
      calculate the number of characters that will appear in the first three
      lines?  If I knew that, I could do it.
        ----- Original Message ----- 
        From: Charlotte
    Foust<mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com<mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.co<mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com<mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.co>
    m>> 
        To: Access Developers discussion and problem
     
    solving<mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com<mailto:accessd at databaseadvis<mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com<mailto:accessd at databaseadvis>
    ors.com>> 
        Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 10:28 AM
        Subject: RE: [AccessD] Memo field parsing


        Define "first three lines".   Is that a particular number of
      characters
        or a physical space?

        Charlotte Foust


        -----Original Message-----
        From: Gregg [mailto:greggs at msn.com] 
        Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 7:32 AM
        To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
        Subject: [AccessD] Memo field parsing

        I would like to parse a memo field in a A97 report such that the first three lines is on the first page and whatever is left is on the next.
        Any ideas?

        Gregg Steinbrenner
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From RRANTHON at sentara.com  Thu Aug  4 14:59:23 2005
From: RRANTHON at sentara.com (Randall R Anthony)
Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2005 15:59:23 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Workgroup File Corrupt?
Message-ID: <200508041959.j74JxlR29332@databaseadvisors.com>

Oh, yeah.  That's why I always backed up a copy when it was updated and
saved it to a secure folder hidden away from everybody.  The .mdw is
just another Access database and subject to the same quirky stuff.

>>> dwaters at usinternet.com 08/04/05 3:49 PM >>>
I recently had a client tell me that something went wrong with their
workgroup file.  The restored from a backup and all was OK.  I wasn't
there
so I don't know more than that.

 

Has anyone had the experience where a workgroup file became corrupt?

 

Thanks,

Dan Waters

 

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From vrm at tim-cms.com  Thu Aug  4 15:10:41 2005
From: vrm at tim-cms.com (| Marcel Vreuls)
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 22:10:41 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Workgroup File Corrupt?
In-Reply-To: <000001c5992d$941417d0$0200a8c0@danwaters>
Message-ID: <001201c59930$9755f500$0100000a@GALAXY.local>

Dan,

Yes i had it reproduced a few times

- when a network error occurs or server (not workstations) falls out and
users are still logged in or where in the middel of a batch transaction.
- when a backup proces is running during work time with  Backup Exec from
veritas and users are still logged in
- users have no delete rights so the workgroup file keeps growing. It onces
was 92MB in our case with 150 users logged in on a daily basis. From then I
wrote a program that run at night and compresses the workgroup file.

Gr. marcel

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: donderdag 4 augustus 2005 21:49
To: 'Database Advisors'
Subject: [AccessD] Workgroup File Corrupt?


I recently had a client tell me that something went wrong with their
workgroup file.  The restored from a backup and all was OK.  I wasn't there
so I don't know more than that.



Has anyone had the experience where a workgroup file became corrupt?



Thanks,

Dan Waters



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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu Aug  4 15:20:55 2005
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 13:20:55 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] "Find" combo box searches more than one table
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86873B82@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Sorry, but I don't understand the question.  A "find" combobox works on
a form and you populate it with a list that has some relationship to the
current recordset of the form.  Then you use the indicated record to
move in that recordset.  I can't see how (or why) you would use a find
combo to look somewhere other than in the form's recordset.

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Klos, Susan [mailto:Susan.Klos at fldoe.org] 
Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 12:29 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] "Find" combo box searches more than one table


Is it possible to construct a "find" combo box that will search through
more than one table in the database?

 

Susan Klos

Senior Database Analyst

Evaluation and Reporting

Florida Department of Education

850-245-0708 

sc 205-0708

 

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From vrm at tim-cms.com  Thu Aug  4 15:36:26 2005
From: vrm at tim-cms.com (| Marcel Vreuls)
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 22:36:26 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Gui for menu
In-Reply-To: <001201c59930$9755f500$0100000a@GALAXY.local>
Message-ID: <001b01c59935$c4672e60$0100000a@GALAXY.local>

Hi,

Does anyone use a nice menu solution/activex control they use for working
with a panel menu within access. I am looking for a solution to create a
menu with panels like the control panel menu in the XP configuration.

Tnx, marcel



From dmcafee at pacbell.net  Thu Aug  4 15:52:01 2005
From: dmcafee at pacbell.net (David Mcafee)
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 13:52:01 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] A2K Unbound field on report error
In-Reply-To: <20050804194009.HCLV24042.mta11.adelphia.net@DG1P2N21>
Message-ID: <20050804205202.15722.qmail@web80807.mail.yahoo.com>

I would say it is a misspell somewhere. Check other
places like querires and functions that may be called.

have you tried stepping through in debug?

David

--- Bob Gajewski <rbgajewski at adelphia.net> wrote:

> Dear List
> 
> We have a report that prints one membership card at
> a time. I am probably
> missing the most obvious thing here, but I just
> can't get this report to
> print. I keep receiving:
> 
>
-----------------------------------------------------
> 
> Run-time error; '2465'
> 
> Microsoft Access can't find the field 'Firefighter'
> referred to in your expression.
> 
>
-----------------------------------------------------
> 
> Any assistance or guidance would be most
> appreciated.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Bob Gajewski, Assistant Chief (and db Administrator)
> Wales Center Volunteer Fire Company
> 
> 
> 
> Details:
> 
> rptMembershipCard
> Source: qryMembershipCard
> Fields:
>   MemberNumber (bound to query field 'MemberNumber')
>   txtFullName (bound to query field 'txtFullName')
>   txtClass (unbound)
>   // other fields have been not included here as
> they are not related to the
> problem
> 
> qryMembershipCard
> Source: tblMembers
> Selected Fields:
>   MemberNumber // using prompt to select one record
>   txtFullName = [FirstName] &
> IIf(IsNull([MiddleInitial]),""," " &
> [MiddleInitial] & ",") & " " & [LastName]
>   booFirefighter
>   booEMSProvider
>   booFirePolice
>   // other fields have been not included here as
> they are not related to the
> problem
> 
> The CBF is:
> 
> ***************** CODE BEGIN
> ************************
> Private Sub Detail_Format(Cancel As Integer,
> FormatCount As Integer)
> 
> Dim booFirstClass As Boolean
> 
> booFirstClass = True
> 
> txtClass = ""
> 
> If [Firefighter] = True Then
>     If booFirstClass = True Then
>         txtClass = "Firefighter"
>         booFirstClass = False
>     Else
>         txtClass = " " & "Firefighter"
>     End If
> End If
> If [EMSProvider] = True Then
>     If booFirstClass = True Then
>         txtClass = "EMS Provider"
>         booFirstClass = False
>     Else
>         txtClass = "," & "EMS Provider"
>     End If
> End If
> If [FirePolice] = True Then
>     If booFirstClass = True Then
>         txtClass = "Fire Police"
>         booFirstClass = False
>     Else
>         txtClass = "," & "Fire Police"
>     End If
> End If
> 
> If IsNull([txtClass]) Or [txtClass] = "" Then
>     lblClass.Visible = False
> End If
> End Sub
> ****************** CODE END
> *************************
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On
> Behalf Of Ervin Brindza
> Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 02:13 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Insert Access Info Into Web
> page
> 
> Adam,
> try to find an article in the Database Journal:
> Convert Access Tables Into ASP Web Pages by Danny
> Lesandrini HTH,
> 
>     Ervin
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "MartyConnelly" <martyconnelly at shaw.ca>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem
> solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 6:41 PM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Insert Access Info Into Web
> page
> 
> 
> >
> > Here are a few good ASP sites:
> > o ASP101 Samples - http://www.asp101.com/samples o
> W3Schools ASP 
> > Tutorial - http://www.w3schools.com/asp o
> Microsoft VBScript Language 
> > Reference - 
> >
>
http://msdn.microsoft.com/scri-pting/default.htm?/scripting/V-BScript/d...
> >
> > There are several 100 dollar asp IIS Access
> solutions like
> >
> > http://www.access2asp.com/
> >
> > Or for a "quick and dirty" generic ASP open source
> solution to putting 
> > databases on the Web (often works well for the
> admin area of a Web 
> > site) that just requires setting up a
> configuration page for each 
> > table or query and uploading the database to the
> Web as long as there 
> > is an autonumber field in each table (and you'll
> probably also 
> > separately want to create login capabilities),
> perhaps try something like
> this:
> > GenericDB by Eli Robillard. It has been around for
> 7 years and is used 
> > in a lot of university labs.
> > http://www.genericdb.com and then click on the
> Tips link to see an 
> > example
> >
> >
> > Mail List at
> > http://aspadvice.com/SignUp/list.aspx?l=63&c=11
> >
> > Res-Com Environmental wrote:
> >
> > >Dear List:
> > >
> > >Is there a way that Access information (such as
> names and addresses) 
> > >can
> be
> > >inserted into a website's form fields? We are
> trying to use a 
> > >businesses website that doesn't offer special
> connections so we have 
> > >to manually
> enter
> > >information from our database.
> > >
> > >Adam
> > >ResCom
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > --
> > Marty Connelly
> > Victoria, B.C.
> > Canada
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 
=== message truncated ===



From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Aug  4 16:02:19 2005
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 05 Aug 2005 07:02:19 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] A2K Unbound field on report error
In-Reply-To: <20050804194009.HCLV24042.mta11.adelphia.net@DG1P2N21>
References: <013801c56bf1$23408b10$0100a8c0@RazvojErvin>
Message-ID: <42F30EFB.26924.18DAF76F@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

I've trimmed the two long messages irrelevant messages  and three list 
footers from the  end of your post :-(



On 4 Aug 2005 at 15:40, Bob Gajewski wrote:

> 
> Microsoft Access can't find the field 'Firefighter'
> referred to in your expression.
> 
.....
>   booFirefighter
>   booEMSProvider
>   booFirePolice
....
> If [Firefighter] = True Then
.....
> If [EMSProvider] = True Then
....
> If [FirePolice] = True Then

You call the field and presumably a control in your report "booFirefighter" 
etc, but test for "Firefighter" without the prefix "boo"



-- 
Stuart




From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu Aug  4 16:02:44 2005
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 14:02:44 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Gui for menu
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86873B83@infoserver01.infostat.local>

The control panel is made up of applets, so I suspect it would be hard
to create its equivalent in Access.  If you don't want to go that far,
you might take a look at the A Better Switchboard product offered from
Peter's Software:  http://www.peterssoftware.com/abs.htm

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: | Marcel Vreuls [mailto:vrm at tim-cms.com] 
Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 1:36 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Gui for menu


Hi,

Does anyone use a nice menu solution/activex control they use for
working with a panel menu within access. I am looking for a solution to
create a menu with panels like the control panel menu in the XP
configuration.

Tnx, marcel

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From rgajewski at wcvfc.org  Thu Aug  4 16:14:58 2005
From: rgajewski at wcvfc.org (Asst. Chief R. Gajewski)
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 17:14:58 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] A2K Unbound field on report error
In-Reply-To: <42F30EFB.26924.18DAF76F@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <20050804211501.JGNW19267.mta10.adelphia.net@DG1P2N21>

Thanks, Stuart, but that's just a typo in my email. The code actually tests
for boo...

Regards,
Bob

 

-----Modified Message-----

> I've trimmed the two long messages irrelevant messages  and three list
footers from the  end of your post :-(

> 
> Microsoft Access can't find the field 'Firefighter'
> referred to in your expression.
> 
.....
>   booFirefighter
>   booEMSProvider
>   booFirePolice
....
> If [booFirefighter] = True Then
.....
> If [booEMSProvider] = True Then
....
> If [booFirePolice] = True Then





From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Aug  4 16:30:12 2005
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 05 Aug 2005 07:30:12 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] A2K Unbound field on report error
In-Reply-To: <20050804211501.JGNW19267.mta10.adelphia.net@DG1P2N21>
References: <42F30EFB.26924.18DAF76F@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <42F31584.29011.18F4806B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

On 4 Aug 2005 at 17:14, Asst. Chief R. Gajewski wrote:

> Thanks, Stuart, but that's just a typo in my email. The code actually tests
> for boo...
> 

Have you got bound controls (checkboxes?)  on the report called boo..... ?

If not, insert them and set their .visible property to false.

-- 
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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Thu Aug  4 17:29:17 2005
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2005 15:29:17 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Gui for menu
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86873B83@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <42F296BD.7040905@shaw.ca>

Well I know how this code from Peter is done. it is a treeview in the 
left pane and multiple subforms on the right
selection triggered by tags on the nodes. I am trying to use this method 
just now for displaying records taxonomy.
It does wonders on certain types of hierarchical data
I poached this method from Rebbeca Riordan. There is a downloadable mdb 
here
Along with the Smart Access article
It might be cheaper to buy Peter's unlimited license than try and 
rewrite Rebbeca's code to fit.
"Be still my beating heart" it does get complex with multiple subforms 
unless writing to a fixed pattern.

http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/en-us/dnsmart04/html/sa04k6.asp?frame=true

In the article she states

 all you need to do to implement an Explorer-style form in Microsoft Access.
The sample application uses simple sub-forms created using the form 
wizard for display of the product and beverage
details, but the detail forms can be arbitrarily complex. You can 
include tabs, nested subforms, whatever is required
for your application.
In fact, you can use this same basic structure as the primary navigation 
mechanism for your application instead of a
Switchboard. Just replace the data hierarchy in the TreeView with the 
hierarchy of functions in your application. You
can even store the functional hierarchy in one or more tables to allow 
the application to be configured at runtime.
Just store the name of the pane as a field, and load it at runtime.
Even though Microsoft Access doesn't support it directly, the 
Explorer-style form architecture is straightforward to
implement using the TreeView Common Control. This architecture displays 
much of the same information as a more
traditional Access form with the sub-form in datasheet view, but it's 
more effective when the user wants or needs to
see a list of the items at all levels of the hierarchy. This isn't 
common during data entry, but it's extremely useful
when browsing and maintaining information.


Charlotte Foust wrote:

>The control panel is made up of applets, so I suspect it would be hard
>to create its equivalent in Access.  If you don't want to go that far,
>you might take a look at the A Better Switchboard product offered from
>Peter's Software:  http://www.peterssoftware.com/abs.htm
>
>Charlotte Foust
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: | Marcel Vreuls [mailto:vrm at tim-cms.com] 
>Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 1:36 PM
>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>Subject: [AccessD] Gui for menu
>
>
>Hi,
>
>Does anyone use a nice menu solution/activex control they use for
>working with a panel menu within access. I am looking for a solution to
>create a menu with panels like the control panel menu in the XP
>configuration.
>
>Tnx, marcel
>
>  
>

-- 
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada





From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Thu Aug  4 17:53:06 2005
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2005 15:53:06 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Table locked
References: <F1DD538AE6BCE74EBE562DE51564D322F33497@houexch1.kindermorgan.com>
Message-ID: <42F29C52.9010200@shaw.ca>

Check If the mdb file isn't set to readonly or the associated ldb file 
isn't still open (This can be safely
deleted if all users are out of the database) otherwise
you might import all the Access objects to a new clean database to avoid 
any corruption.
This corruption can be common on Access 2000 mdb's without SP-3

Corrupt Microsoft Access MDBs FAQ
http://www.granite.ab.ca/access/corruptmdbs.htm

Kaup, Chester wrote:

>I have a database on my local C drive. When it opens it runs an autoexec
>macro to run a query to make a table. I get a message that the table can
>not be opened exclusively. How can this be and how do I determine what
>has the table open? I have tried compacting and repairing and opening
>the database exclusively with no success. Thanks.
>
> 
>
>Chester Kaup
>
>Engineering Technician
>
>Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP
>
>Office (432) 688-3797
>
> 
>
>No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However a large
>number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced.
>
>FAX (432) 688-3799
>
> 
>
>  
>

-- 
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Victoria, B.C.
Canada





From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu Aug  4 18:05:29 2005
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 16:05:29 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Gui for menu
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86873B85@infoserver01.infostat.local>

It may very well be.  I have the entire suite but haven't really
explored it, since I won it. <g>  In any case, it isn't the direct
equivalent of the control panel cpl files, even if it might look
similar, and I was replying literally.

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: MartyConnelly [mailto:martyconnelly at shaw.ca] 
Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 3:29 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Gui for menu


Well I know how this code from Peter is done. it is a treeview in the 
left pane and multiple subforms on the right
selection triggered by tags on the nodes. I am trying to use this method

just now for displaying records taxonomy.
It does wonders on certain types of hierarchical data
I poached this method from Rebbeca Riordan. There is a downloadable mdb 
here
Along with the Smart Access article
It might be cheaper to buy Peter's unlimited license than try and 
rewrite Rebbeca's code to fit.
"Be still my beating heart" it does get complex with multiple subforms 
unless writing to a fixed pattern.

http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/en-us/dnsmart04/html/sa04k6.asp?frame=
true

In the article she states

 all you need to do to implement an Explorer-style form in Microsoft
Access. The sample application uses simple sub-forms created using the
form 
wizard for display of the product and beverage
details, but the detail forms can be arbitrarily complex. You can 
include tabs, nested subforms, whatever is required
for your application.
In fact, you can use this same basic structure as the primary navigation

mechanism for your application instead of a
Switchboard. Just replace the data hierarchy in the TreeView with the 
hierarchy of functions in your application. You
can even store the functional hierarchy in one or more tables to allow 
the application to be configured at runtime.
Just store the name of the pane as a field, and load it at runtime. Even
though Microsoft Access doesn't support it directly, the 
Explorer-style form architecture is straightforward to implement using
the TreeView Common Control. This architecture displays 
much of the same information as a more
traditional Access form with the sub-form in datasheet view, but it's 
more effective when the user wants or needs to
see a list of the items at all levels of the hierarchy. This isn't 
common during data entry, but it's extremely useful
when browsing and maintaining information.


Charlotte Foust wrote:

>The control panel is made up of applets, so I suspect it would be hard 
>to create its equivalent in Access.  If you don't want to go that far, 
>you might take a look at the A Better Switchboard product offered from 
>Peter's Software:  http://www.peterssoftware.com/abs.htm
>
>Charlotte Foust
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: | Marcel Vreuls [mailto:vrm at tim-cms.com]
>Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 1:36 PM
>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>Subject: [AccessD] Gui for menu
>
>
>Hi,
>
>Does anyone use a nice menu solution/activex control they use for 
>working with a panel menu within access. I am looking for a solution to

>create a menu with panels like the control panel menu in the XP 
>configuration.
>
>Tnx, marcel
>
>  
>

-- 
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada



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From KP at sdsonline.net  Thu Aug  4 18:33:36 2005
From: KP at sdsonline.net (Kath Pelletti)
Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 09:33:36 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] "Find" combo box searches more than one table
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86873B82@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <004201c5994c$f0489520$6601a8c0@user>

Maybe Susan means that the users would like to have a 'search function' which will find something anywhere in the database.

I have had that request before, eg. for a database that tracked travel agent wholesalers, travel agent retailers, suppliers, clients etc. Users would get an inquiry from someone and wanted to type in their name and find all instances anywhere in the system.

It depends whether you need to populate a combo or not. In my case I created an unbound text box and users type in any part of the person's surname and hit enter.

The code then searches through the relevant tables one by one and populates a results table.

Kath
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Charlotte Foust 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
  Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 6:20 AM
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] "Find" combo box searches more than one table


  Sorry, but I don't understand the question.  A "find" combobox works on
  a form and you populate it with a list that has some relationship to the
  current recordset of the form.  Then you use the indicated record to
  move in that recordset.  I can't see how (or why) you would use a find
  combo to look somewhere other than in the form's recordset.

  Charlotte Foust


  -----Original Message-----
  From: Klos, Susan [mailto:Susan.Klos at fldoe.org] 
  Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 12:29 PM
  To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
  Subject: [AccessD] "Find" combo box searches more than one table


  Is it possible to construct a "find" combo box that will search through
  more than one table in the database?

   

  Susan Klos

  Senior Database Analyst

  Evaluation and Reporting

  Florida Department of Education

  850-245-0708 

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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Aug  4 18:53:01 2005
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 05 Aug 2005 09:53:01 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] "Find" combo box searches more than one table
In-Reply-To: <004201c5994c$f0489520$6601a8c0@user>
Message-ID: <42F336FD.21211.19774104@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

>   From: Klos, Susan [mailto:Susan.Klos at fldoe.org] 
>   Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 12:29 PM
>   To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>   Subject: [AccessD] "Find" combo box searches more than one table
> 
> 
>   Is it possible to construct a "find" combo box that will search through
>   more than one table in the database?
> 

Populate the box with a UNION query?


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From kimjwiggins at yahoo.com  Thu Aug  4 21:29:29 2005
From: kimjwiggins at yahoo.com (Kim Wiggins)
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 19:29:29 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] SQL statement
Message-ID: <20050805022929.64730.qmail@web53604.mail.yahoo.com>

My application is telling me something is wrong with this sql statement for my Access database.
Can anyone figure out what's wrong?  I don't see anything.
strSQL1 = "update tblRepairPartsReplaced set quantity (i) =  '" & Val(txtQty(i)) & "'  Where part_no = '" & txtPartsRep(i).Text & "'"
Thanks
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Aug  4 21:46:04 2005
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 05 Aug 2005 12:46:04 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] SQL statement
In-Reply-To: <20050805022929.64730.qmail@web53604.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <42F35F8C.9189.1A15B132@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

On 4 Aug 2005 at 19:29, Kim Wiggins wrote:

> My application is telling me something is wrong with this sql statement for my Access database.
> Can anyone figure out what's wrong?  I don't see anything.
> strSQL1 = "update tblRepairPartsReplaced set quantity (i) =  '" & Val(txtQty(i)) & "'  Where part_no = '" & txtPartsRep(i).Text & "'"
> Thanks
> Kim
> 


There is a space between quantity and (i). Having said that, do you really 
have a field called "quantity(i)" ?

I'd guess you just want     ...quantity = '" & .....




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From rbgajewski at adelphia.net  Thu Aug  4 22:06:46 2005
From: rbgajewski at adelphia.net (Bob Gajewski)
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 23:06:46 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] A2K Unbound field on report error
In-Reply-To: <42F31584.29011.18F4806B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <20050805030649.KTLU29002.mta9.adelphia.net@DG1P2N21>

I knew it was going to be something simple and stupid!

THANKS STUART!!!

Got it working just fine now.

Bob
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 17:30 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K Unbound field on report error

On 4 Aug 2005 at 17:14, Asst. Chief R. Gajewski wrote:

> Thanks, Stuart, but that's just a typo in my email. The code actually 
> tests for boo...
> 

Have you got bound controls (checkboxes?)  on the report called boo..... ?

If not, insert them and set their .visible property to false.

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From vrm at tim-cms.com  Fri Aug  5 02:19:49 2005
From: vrm at tim-cms.com (| Marcel Vreuls)
Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 09:19:49 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Queryfields and combobox
In-Reply-To: <20050805030649.KTLU29002.mta9.adelphia.net@DG1P2N21>
Message-ID: <001201c5998e$11937790$6c61fea9@GALAXY.local>


Hi,

i am wondering if it is possible to get the output fields of a select query
into a combobox. I mean not the data of the selectquery but the
columnheaders/fieldnames.


Thnx, marcel



From vrm at tim-cms.com  Fri Aug  5 02:22:23 2005
From: vrm at tim-cms.com (| Marcel Vreuls)
Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 09:22:23 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Gui for menu
In-Reply-To: <42F296BD.7040905@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <001301c5998e$6cee00b0$6c61fea9@GALAXY.local>

Hi Martin,

That is a solution that works and i have used before. The nice thing of the
panels are the layout which does the listview do not have.

i will keep searching and post what i found. I have found an mde with this
solution and have just mailt the developer for more information. There is no
activex ocx or dll deliverd so it has to be an imbedded solution.

Tnx, marcel

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
Sent: vrijdag 5 augustus 2005 0:29
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Gui for menu


Well I know how this code from Peter is done. it is a treeview in the
left pane and multiple subforms on the right
selection triggered by tags on the nodes. I am trying to use this method
just now for displaying records taxonomy.
It does wonders on certain types of hierarchical data
I poached this method from Rebbeca Riordan. There is a downloadable mdb
here
Along with the Smart Access article
It might be cheaper to buy Peter's unlimited license than try and
rewrite Rebbeca's code to fit.
"Be still my beating heart" it does get complex with multiple subforms
unless writing to a fixed pattern.

http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/en-us/dnsmart04/html/sa04k6.asp?frame=true

In the article she states

 all you need to do to implement an Explorer-style form in Microsoft Access.
The sample application uses simple sub-forms created using the form
wizard for display of the product and beverage
details, but the detail forms can be arbitrarily complex. You can
include tabs, nested subforms, whatever is required
for your application.
In fact, you can use this same basic structure as the primary navigation
mechanism for your application instead of a
Switchboard. Just replace the data hierarchy in the TreeView with the
hierarchy of functions in your application. You
can even store the functional hierarchy in one or more tables to allow
the application to be configured at runtime.
Just store the name of the pane as a field, and load it at runtime.
Even though Microsoft Access doesn't support it directly, the
Explorer-style form architecture is straightforward to
implement using the TreeView Common Control. This architecture displays
much of the same information as a more
traditional Access form with the sub-form in datasheet view, but it's
more effective when the user wants or needs to
see a list of the items at all levels of the hierarchy. This isn't
common during data entry, but it's extremely useful
when browsing and maintaining information.


Charlotte Foust wrote:

>The control panel is made up of applets, so I suspect it would be hard
>to create its equivalent in Access.  If you don't want to go that far,
>you might take a look at the A Better Switchboard product offered from
>Peter's Software:  http://www.peterssoftware.com/abs.htm
>
>Charlotte Foust
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: | Marcel Vreuls [mailto:vrm at tim-cms.com]
>Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 1:36 PM
>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>Subject: [AccessD] Gui for menu
>
>
>Hi,
>
>Does anyone use a nice menu solution/activex control they use for
>working with a panel menu within access. I am looking for a solution to
>create a menu with panels like the control panel menu in the XP
>configuration.
>
>Tnx, marcel
>
>
>

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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Fri Aug  5 06:40:34 2005
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 05 Aug 2005 21:40:34 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Queryfields and combobox
In-Reply-To: <001201c5998e$11937790$6c61fea9@GALAXY.local>
References: <20050805030649.KTLU29002.mta9.adelphia.net@DG1P2N21>
Message-ID: <42F3DCD2.4672.1BFF0A92@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

On 5 Aug 2005 at 9:19, | Marcel Vreuls wrote:

> 
> Hi,
> 
> i am wondering if it is possible to get the output fields of a select query
> into a combobox. I mean not the data of the selectquery but the
> columnheaders/fieldnames.
> 

 Dead simple, it's built in.

Set the "Row Source Type" of the combo box to "Field List"
Set the "Row Source" to the name of the query.





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From vrm at tim-cms.com  Fri Aug  5 06:59:34 2005
From: vrm at tim-cms.com (| Marcel Vreuls)
Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 13:59:34 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Queryfields and combobox
In-Reply-To: <42F3DCD2.4672.1BFF0A92@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <001c01c599b5$254d9960$6c61fea9@GALAXY.local>

Duh.....i kill myself :-). It was i.d.d.deadsimple....shame on me :-)

Tnxs al lot
marcel

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
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McLachlan
Sent: vrijdag 5 augustus 2005 13:41
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Queryfields and combobox


On 5 Aug 2005 at 9:19, | Marcel Vreuls wrote:

>
> Hi,
>
> i am wondering if it is possible to get the output fields of a select
query
> into a combobox. I mean not the data of the selectquery but the
> columnheaders/fieldnames.
>

 Dead simple, it's built in.

Set the "Row Source Type" of the combo box to "Field List"
Set the "Row Source" to the name of the query.





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From cyx5 at cdc.gov  Fri Aug  5 06:57:29 2005
From: cyx5 at cdc.gov (Nicholson, Karen)
Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 07:57:29 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2003 Reports Not Working
Message-ID: <A5B5AA20555F594BA7B6BD2048E49E4376FD85@m-niosh-5.niosh.cdc.gov>

I seem to have two problems.  The first is that this user has no access
to the reports in the system.  She can open up forms, queries, etc.  But
the reports design view or preview is just not responding.  Then my code
for printing a report is failing.  

I have found this one thing about the printing code but have not found
out if a solution has been discovered yet.  It has been a long week.


- Open Access 2003  
  
- Create new database (2000 or 2002/2003 format)  
  
- Create a report and insert a label in its Detail section  
  
- Save the report as Report1  
  
- Copy Report1 as Report2  
  
- Open Report1 and insert Report2 in it as subreport  
  
- Save Report1  
  
- Create a form and use the wizard to insert a button which can open  
  
Report1 for preview  
  
- Go to VBE and navigate to the Click event of the button  
  
- Change the following two lines  
  
stDocName = "Report1"  
  
DoCmd.OpenReport stDocName, acPreview  
  
with this four lines  
  
stDocName = "Report1"  
  
Printer.PrintQuality = acPRPQMedium  
  
DoCmd.OpenReport stDocName, acPreview  
  
Printer.BottomMargin = 5  
  
- Save form as Form1  
  
- Open the form normally  
  
- Click the button  
  
- Here is the bug  
  
I contacted Microsoft Italia (beacause I live in Italy). They informed  
  
Microsoft Corporation which replied confirming it's a bug for Access  
  
2003 and will be corrected in the future. They didn't tell if the  
  
problem will be corrected with a specific patch or with Service Pack 2  
  
for Office 2003.  
  
You will not find any documentation in internet (neither in Microsoft  
  
web site nor in MSDN nor elsewhere) until a correction will be  
  
developed.  
  
I hope this could help. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 11:47 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 2003 Reports Not Working

Hi 65

1. Have you tried to install a(nother) printer?

2. Open the report in design view, reassign the printer and save.

/gustav

>>> cyx5 at cdc.gov 08/04 5:20 pm >>>
I have a new user, installed with Access 2003, running my XP database.
All is well, the references are fine, there are no code compilation
issues.  However, she can not open up a report.  If I go to the database
container and click on any report for a report preview, it acts like I
do not exist.  It does nothing.  What's up with this?  I am googling to
no avail.  Thanks.

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From dejpolsys at hotmail.com  Fri Aug  5 07:58:45 2005
From: dejpolsys at hotmail.com (William Hindman)
Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 08:58:45 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Gui for menu
References: <001301c5998e$6cee00b0$6c61fea9@GALAXY.local>
Message-ID: <BAY103-DAV140D2318616ECA067FBE00AEC70@phx.gbl>

Marcel

..have you looked at the Toolbar control in Access? ...combined with a 
Treeview it should allow you to dupe the look and feel you're after.

..ms had a sample app with A97 called actctrl.mdb that had several gui 
demos ...including one with the toolbar ...if you can't find it I'm sure I 
still have it in my A97 files ...I've not seen anything similar for A2k and 
up but then I've not looked either.

William

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "| Marcel Vreuls" <vrm at tim-cms.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 3:22 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Gui for menu


> Hi Martin,
>
> That is a solution that works and i have used before. The nice thing of 
> the
> panels are the layout which does the listview do not have.
>
> i will keep searching and post what i found. I have found an mde with this
> solution and have just mailt the developer for more information. There is 
> no
> activex ocx or dll deliverd so it has to be an imbedded solution.
>
> Tnx, marcel
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
> Sent: vrijdag 5 augustus 2005 0:29
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Gui for menu
>
>
> Well I know how this code from Peter is done. it is a treeview in the
> left pane and multiple subforms on the right
> selection triggered by tags on the nodes. I am trying to use this method
> just now for displaying records taxonomy.
> It does wonders on certain types of hierarchical data
> I poached this method from Rebbeca Riordan. There is a downloadable mdb
> here
> Along with the Smart Access article
> It might be cheaper to buy Peter's unlimited license than try and
> rewrite Rebbeca's code to fit.
> "Be still my beating heart" it does get complex with multiple subforms
> unless writing to a fixed pattern.
>
> http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/en-us/dnsmart04/html/sa04k6.asp?frame=true
>
> In the article she states
>
> all you need to do to implement an Explorer-style form in Microsoft 
> Access.
> The sample application uses simple sub-forms created using the form
> wizard for display of the product and beverage
> details, but the detail forms can be arbitrarily complex. You can
> include tabs, nested subforms, whatever is required
> for your application.
> In fact, you can use this same basic structure as the primary navigation
> mechanism for your application instead of a
> Switchboard. Just replace the data hierarchy in the TreeView with the
> hierarchy of functions in your application. You
> can even store the functional hierarchy in one or more tables to allow
> the application to be configured at runtime.
> Just store the name of the pane as a field, and load it at runtime.
> Even though Microsoft Access doesn't support it directly, the
> Explorer-style form architecture is straightforward to
> implement using the TreeView Common Control. This architecture displays
> much of the same information as a more
> traditional Access form with the sub-form in datasheet view, but it's
> more effective when the user wants or needs to
> see a list of the items at all levels of the hierarchy. This isn't
> common during data entry, but it's extremely useful
> when browsing and maintaining information.
>
>
> Charlotte Foust wrote:
>
>>The control panel is made up of applets, so I suspect it would be hard
>>to create its equivalent in Access.  If you don't want to go that far,
>>you might take a look at the A Better Switchboard product offered from
>>Peter's Software:  http://www.peterssoftware.com/abs.htm
>>
>>Charlotte Foust
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: | Marcel Vreuls [mailto:vrm at tim-cms.com]
>>Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 1:36 PM
>>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>>Subject: [AccessD] Gui for menu
>>
>>
>>Hi,
>>
>>Does anyone use a nice menu solution/activex control they use for
>>working with a panel menu within access. I am looking for a solution to
>>create a menu with panels like the control panel menu in the XP
>>configuration.
>>
>>Tnx, marcel
>>
>>
>>
>
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> Victoria, B.C.
> Canada
>
>
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From kimjwiggins at yahoo.com  Fri Aug  5 08:09:31 2005
From: kimjwiggins at yahoo.com (Kim Wiggins)
Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 06:09:31 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] SQL statement
In-Reply-To: <42F35F8C.9189.1A15B132@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <20050805130931.72112.qmail@web53605.mail.yahoo.com>

Well yes, I do have a field called quantity(i) because I have fields that correspond to parts that are 1-8.  Thanks, I didn't see that space.

Stuart McLachlan <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg> wrote:On 4 Aug 2005 at 19:29, Kim Wiggins wrote:

> My application is telling me something is wrong with this sql statement for my Access database.
> Can anyone figure out what's wrong? I don't see anything.
> strSQL1 = "update tblRepairPartsReplaced set quantity (i) = '" & Val(txtQty(i)) & "' Where part_no = '" & txtPartsRep(i).Text & "'"
> Thanks
> Kim
> 


There is a space between quantity and (i). Having said that, do you really 
have a field called "quantity(i)" ?

I'd guess you just want ...quantity = '" & .....




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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Aug  5 08:21:06 2005
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Fri, 05 Aug 2005 09:21:06 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] SQL statement
In-Reply-To: <20050805130931.72112.qmail@web53605.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <00b601c599c0$8cf03450$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

Kim,

It is considered "bad practice" <ducks and runs from a certain somebody> to
use "special characters" in field names.  Basically only alpha characters
and numbers should be used.  Thus in your case, Quantity1 (or QuantityI)
would be a better name.

Special characters can cause unintended interactions with the VBA compiler
as well as the SQL parsing.  They force the developer to take extra steps to
"wrap" such field names to prevent such interactions.

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kim Wiggins
Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 9:10 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] SQL statement


Well yes, I do have a field called quantity(i) because I have fields that
correspond to parts that are 1-8.  Thanks, I didn't see that space.

Stuart McLachlan <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg> wrote:On 4 Aug 2005 at 19:29, Kim
Wiggins wrote:

> My application is telling me something is wrong with this sql 
> statement for my Access database. Can anyone figure out what's wrong? 
> I don't see anything. strSQL1 = "update tblRepairPartsReplaced set 
> quantity (i) = '" & Val(txtQty(i)) & "' Where part_no = '" & 
> txtPartsRep(i).Text & "'" Thanks Kim
> 


There is a space between quantity and (i). Having said that, do you really 
have a field called "quantity(i)" ?

I'd guess you just want ...quantity = '" & .....




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From cyx5 at cdc.gov  Fri Aug  5 09:08:53 2005
From: cyx5 at cdc.gov (Nicholson, Karen)
Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 10:08:53 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] SQL Float Type Conversion and Access
Message-ID: <A5B5AA20555F594BA7B6BD2048E49E4376FD8D@m-niosh-5.niosh.cdc.gov>

Happy Friday to all!  (Humor Day Reminder).  Anyway, I have an SQL
backend that has a few fields defined as float(ies).  When I do an
Access query against these floaties, and specify, for example the
criteria = 3, I get a message that my query is too complicated.  So, I
can either convert the SQL field to a better format that will preserve
the decimals, or I can figure out how to put criteria for a floatie in
Access.  I tried converting the field in SQL to numeric and it stripped
the decimal.  (backups are golden).  I don't want to go to nvarchar, I
am not sure I want to go to a double.  Any suggestions?  Thanks.


From artful at rogers.com  Fri Aug  5 09:57:35 2005
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 10:57:35 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] SQL Float Type Conversion and Access
In-Reply-To: <A5B5AA20555F594BA7B6BD2048E49E4376FD8D@m-niosh-5.niosh.cdc.gov>
Message-ID: <200508051457.j75EvdR03379@databaseadvisors.com>

This one puzzles me. I have not experienced it before, so I just whipped up
a table to check this. I have a float field two of whose rows contain the
value 3. I did a query both from Query Analyst and Access (ADP) testing the
column for value 3 and I received two rows back in both cases. My FE was an
ADP, mind you. Is yours an MDB using an ODBC connection? I didn't try that.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Nicholson, Karen
Sent: August 5, 2005 10:09 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] SQL Float Type Conversion and Access

Happy Friday to all!  (Humor Day Reminder).  Anyway, I have an SQL
backend that has a few fields defined as float(ies).  When I do an
Access query against these floaties, and specify, for example the
criteria = 3, I get a message that my query is too complicated.  So, I
can either convert the SQL field to a better format that will preserve
the decimals, or I can figure out how to put criteria for a floatie in
Access.  I tried converting the field in SQL to numeric and it stripped
the decimal.  (backups are golden).  I don't want to go to nvarchar, I
am not sure I want to go to a double.  Any suggestions?  Thanks.
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From cyx5 at cdc.gov  Fri Aug  5 10:05:12 2005
From: cyx5 at cdc.gov (Nicholson, Karen)
Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 11:05:12 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] SQL Float Type Conversion and Access
Message-ID: <A5B5AA20555F594BA7B6BD2048E49E4376FD90@m-niosh-5.niosh.cdc.gov>

Yes, mine is an mdb with odbc.  I have it solved now - I changed the SQL
type to numeric with the scale set to 1.  Now it is OK.  Access totally
puked on querying a float.  Now, I sure wish I could figure out why the
Access 2003 PCs around here are locking out the report area of the
databases.  Even simple code to open up the report croak.   

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 10:58 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL Float Type Conversion and Access

This one puzzles me. I have not experienced it before, so I just whipped
up a table to check this. I have a float field two of whose rows contain
the value 3. I did a query both from Query Analyst and Access (ADP)
testing the column for value 3 and I received two rows back in both
cases. My FE was an ADP, mind you. Is yours an MDB using an ODBC
connection? I didn't try that.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Nicholson,
Karen
Sent: August 5, 2005 10:09 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] SQL Float Type Conversion and Access

Happy Friday to all!  (Humor Day Reminder).  Anyway, I have an SQL
backend that has a few fields defined as float(ies).  When I do an
Access query against these floaties, and specify, for example the
criteria = 3, I get a message that my query is too complicated.  So, I
can either convert the SQL field to a better format that will preserve
the decimals, or I can figure out how to put criteria for a floatie in
Access.  I tried converting the field in SQL to numeric and it stripped
the decimal.  (backups are golden).  I don't want to go to nvarchar, I
am not sure I want to go to a double.  Any suggestions?  Thanks.
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From kimjwiggins at yahoo.com  Fri Aug  5 10:06:08 2005
From: kimjwiggins at yahoo.com (Kim Wiggins)
Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 08:06:08 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] SQL statement
In-Reply-To: <00b601c599c0$8cf03450$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <20050805150608.35207.qmail@web53604.mail.yahoo.com>

I'm sorry John, I didn't explain that well.  It is Quantity1, etc....  The (i) is the index in my program for me to loop through the fields.

"John W. Colby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:Kim,

It is considered "bad practice" to
use "special characters" in field names. Basically only alpha characters
and numbers should be used. Thus in your case, Quantity1 (or QuantityI)
would be a better name.

Special characters can cause unintended interactions with the VBA compiler
as well as the SQL parsing. They force the developer to take extra steps to
"wrap" such field names to prevent such interactions.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kim Wiggins
Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 9:10 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] SQL statement


Well yes, I do have a field called quantity(i) because I have fields that
correspond to parts that are 1-8. Thanks, I didn't see that space.

Stuart McLachlan wrote:On 4 Aug 2005 at 19:29, Kim
Wiggins wrote:

> My application is telling me something is wrong with this sql 
> statement for my Access database. Can anyone figure out what's wrong? 
> I don't see anything. strSQL1 = "update tblRepairPartsReplaced set 
> quantity (i) = '" & Val(txtQty(i)) & "' Where part_no = '" & 
> txtPartsRep(i).Text & "'" Thanks Kim
> 


There is a space between quantity and (i). Having said that, do you really 
have a field called "quantity(i)" ?

I'd guess you just want ...quantity = '" & .....




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From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com  Fri Aug  5 10:43:00 2005
From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester)
Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 10:43:00 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Table locked
Message-ID: <F1DD538AE6BCE74EBE562DE51564D322F335B8@houexch1.kindermorgan.com>

Problem solved. I had it set up to open a form that referenced a table
that a query was trying to update. Changed the sequence of events and
all is well

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 5:53 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Table locked

Check If the mdb file isn't set to readonly or the associated ldb file 
isn't still open (This can be safely
deleted if all users are out of the database) otherwise
you might import all the Access objects to a new clean database to avoid

any corruption.
This corruption can be common on Access 2000 mdb's without SP-3

Corrupt Microsoft Access MDBs FAQ
http://www.granite.ab.ca/access/corruptmdbs.htm

Kaup, Chester wrote:

>I have a database on my local C drive. When it opens it runs an
autoexec
>macro to run a query to make a table. I get a message that the table
can
>not be opened exclusively. How can this be and how do I determine what
>has the table open? I have tried compacting and repairing and opening
>the database exclusively with no success. Thanks.
>
> 
>
>Chester Kaup
>
>Engineering Technician
>
>Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP
>
>Office (432) 688-3797
>
> 
>
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>number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced.
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> 
>
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>

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From dmcafee at pacbell.net  Fri Aug  5 13:03:10 2005
From: dmcafee at pacbell.net (dmcafee at pacbell.net)
Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 11:03:10 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] RE: Friday Humor
In-Reply-To: <008801c59905$00a18a00$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <KDEHKEMIOHGKCDHLPPLKGEFEFHAA.dmcafee@pacbell.net>

Once upon a time, there was a snake, named Nate. Rather close to Nate's
house there was a great road, and next to this road was a lever. The lever
was ancient, and the mythology around the lever was that if you were to push
it, it would trigger the end of the world.

One day, Nate was slithering down the road, and he came upon the lever, and
began crossing the road so he could look at it. At the same moment, a truck
came careening around a corner, and the driver found himself in a dilemma:
either hit the snake or end the world. Needless to say, the driver ran over
Nate and went on his merry way.




Moral of the Story: Better Nate than Lever



From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri Aug  5 13:10:31 2005
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 11:10:31 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] RE: Friday Humor
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86873B88@infoserver01.infostat.local>

<GROAN> Off with his head!!

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: dmcafee at pacbell.net [mailto:dmcafee at pacbell.net] 
Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 11:03 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] RE: Friday Humor


Once upon a time, there was a snake, named Nate. Rather close to Nate's
house there was a great road, and next to this road was a lever. The
lever was ancient, and the mythology around the lever was that if you
were to push it, it would trigger the end of the world.

One day, Nate was slithering down the road, and he came upon the lever,
and began crossing the road so he could look at it. At the same moment,
a truck came careening around a corner, and the driver found himself in
a dilemma: either hit the snake or end the world. Needless to say, the
driver ran over Nate and went on his merry way.




Moral of the Story: Better Nate than Lever

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From BarbaraRyan at cox.net  Fri Aug  5 13:32:11 2005
From: BarbaraRyan at cox.net (Barbara Ryan)
Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 14:32:11 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] SendObject
Message-ID: <009001c599ec$19867160$0a00a8c0@cx470148a>

I've used Docmd.SendObject to email Snapshot files.  I now need to email a .txt file and am having problems.  There doesn't appear to be an object type for text files.

Any ideas?

Thanks,
Barb Ryan

From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Fri Aug  5 16:53:47 2005
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2005 07:53:47 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] SQL statement
In-Reply-To: <20050805150608.35207.qmail@web53604.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <00b601c599c0$8cf03450$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <42F46C8B.21016.1E30726C@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

On 5 Aug 2005 at 8:06, Kim Wiggins wrote:

> I'm sorry John, I didn't explain that well.  It is Quantity1, etc....  The (i) is the index in my program for me to loop through the fields.
> 
.....
> > I don't see anything. strSQL1 = "update tblRepairPartsReplaced set 
> > quantity (i) = '" & Val(txtQty(i)) & "' Where part_no = '" & 
> > txtPartsRep(i).Text & "'" Thanks Kim
> > 

If "i" is an index in your code,you can't have it inside strSQL1.  When you 
build the string, you have to resolve everything the way you do 
Val(txtQty(i)).  IOW you would need to replace "quantity(i) = " with 
something like "Quantity" & i & " = "


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From greggs at msn.com  Fri Aug  5 17:02:15 2005
From: greggs at msn.com (Gregg)
Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 17:02:15 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Memo field parsing
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8689A72A@infoserver01.infostat.local>
	<BAY103-DAV9BF45769C396DC8C04B05C6C50@phx.gbl>
	<007f01c5992e$f3bca8e0$ce1865cb@winxp>
Message-ID: <BAY103-DAV132E127267505C719D52E0C6C70@phx.gbl>

Wow... thanks A.D.... I'll give it a try.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: A.D.Tejpal<mailto:adtp at touchtelindia.net> 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving<mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com> 
  Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 2:57 PM
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Memo field parsing


  Gregg,

      For sake of demonstration, let the source table named T_Memo consist of two fields, named ID (primary key - Autonumber) and Mem (memo type). 

      Create another table, named T_MemRef, with just one field named Ref (number type). Populate this table with just two records, with values 1 and 2 respectively. Query Q_Memo as given below, should be used as record source for your report. It involves Cartesian join between tables T_Memo and T_MemRef. 

      In detail section of your report, drag Mem and Ref from the field list, so as to create bound controls named Mem and Ref. Make these controls hidden, set their CanGrow property to "No" and position the same un-obtrusively. Insert an unbound text box named TxtMemo. This is the text box that would actually display the contents of memo field. Set the width and fonts as desired. Set the CanGrow property of this control as well as the detail section as a whole, to "Yes".

      In VBA window, put the code given below, in Detail_Format event of the report. Make sure that the item "On Format" in Event tab of properties dialog box shows [Event Procedure] against it.

      Now, when you run the report, first three lines of the memo field will get displayed on first page and the balance portion on the next page. Similar pattern would get repeated for all records.
      
  Best wishes,
  A.D.Tejpal
  --------------

  Source Query for the report (Q_Memo)
  =====================================
  SELECT T_Memo.ID, T_MemRef.Ref, T_Memo.Mem
  FROM T_Memo, T_MemRef
  ORDER BY T_Memo.ID, T_MemRef.Ref;
  =====================================

  Code in Report's Module
  =====================================
  Private Sub Detail_Format(Cancel As Integer, _
                                          FormatCount As Integer)
      Dim Wd As Long, Rw As Single, Mgn As Long
      Dim LenMem As Long, Txt As String, Lft As Long
      Dim LastSpace As Long, MaxRowsFirstPart
      Dim Mpf As Single
      
      MaxRowsFirstPart = 3
      LenMem = Len(Mem)
      If LenMem > 0 Then
      Else
          Exit Sub
      End If
      
      With Me
          ' Set the scale mode to twips
          .ScaleMode = 1
          ' Set Font values for report to match those of memo field.
          .FontName = TxtMemo.FontName
          .FontSize = TxtMemo.FontSize
          If TxtMemo.FontBold <> 0 Then
              .FontBold = True
          Else
              .FontBold = False
          End If
      End With
      
      ' Allow for necessary margin within a text box
      ' (Between its border and the content)
      Mgn = 170     ' This value may need fine tuning for
                              ' best results
      ' Get effective width of control meant for
      ' displaying memo field
      Wd = TxtMemo.Width - Mgn
      ' Get the number of characters so as to make-up the
      ' required number of rows for first part of memo field.
      For Lft = 1 To LenMem
          Txt = Left(Mem, Lft)
          LastSpace = IIf(Right(Txt, 1) = " ", Lft, LastSpace)
          Rw = TextWidth(Txt) / Wd
          If Rw > MaxRowsFirstPart Then
              Lft = Lft - 1
              Exit For
          End If
      Next
      Debug.Print Lft; ", "; LastSpace
      
      ' Get Multiplying factor for acceptable max location
      ' of last space.
      Mpf = (0.8 + (MaxRowsFirstPart - 1)) / MaxRowsFirstPart
      
      ' Shorten the first part to nearest space
      ' (if within 20 % of the end of line)
      If LastSpace > Mpf * Lft And LastSpace < Lft Then
          Lft = LastSpace
      End If
      
      ' Populate the unbound text box with appropriate
      ' part of memo field.
      If Ref = 1 Then
          TxtMemo = Left(Mem, Lft)
          ' Force New Page - Afer section, only if memo
          ' field contents not yet finished
          If LenMem > Lft Then
              Detail.ForceNewPage = 2
          Else
              Detail.ForceNewPage = 0   ' No break
          End If
      Else
          TxtMemo = Mid(Mem, Lft + 1)
          ' Force New Page - Afer section
          Detail.ForceNewPage = 2
      End If
  End Sub
  =====================================

    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Gregg 
    To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
    Cc: Robert Penn 
    Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 04:19
    Subject: Re: [AccessD] Memo field parsing


    Thanks Charlotte!  I give it a try.

      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: Charlotte Foust<mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com<mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com>> 
      To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving<mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com<mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com>> 
      Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 5:33 PM
      Subject: RE: [AccessD] Memo field parsing

      No, get the textwidth of the control and see if the textwidth of the text is greater than that.  Handle the situation where it is not and everything fits in the first control.  Otherwise get the text that fits within the control textwidth and use instrRev to find the last space in that substring.  Break it there.  

    At that point, you also know the index of the starting point for the rest of the string, so all you need to do for the next page is use the Mid(text, index) to put the rest of it into the second page.

    Charlotte Foust

      -----Original Message-----
      From: Gregg [mailto:greggs at msn.com] 
      Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 11:34 AM
      To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
      Subject: Re: [AccessD] Memo field parsing


      So, you're saying I need to loop through all the characters until I find
      the last whole word that will fit on the first line, the same for the
      second etc. until I determine what text will fit in the first page text
      field and use what's left for the 2nd page?
        ----- Original Message ----- 
        From: Charlotte Foust<mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com<mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com<mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com<mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com>>> 
        To: Access Developers discussion and problem
      solving<mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com<mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com<mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com<mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com>>> 
        Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 11:02 AM
        Subject: RE: [AccessD] Memo field parsing


        You can't do it by simply counting characters anyhow.  You have to use
        the TextWidth property, which can be expressed as
        reportname.TextWidth(stringvariable) and compare that to the textwidth
        of the control ( reportname.TextWidth(controlobject) or to the maximum
        length you want to display.  You'll also want to allow a padding
      factor
        to avoid overrunning the  borders of the control and be sure and check
        for carriage returns because they confuse the issue.

        If you want to display 3 "lines", you'll have to break the memo field
        into the first three chunks that will fit into the textwidth of the
        textbox you're using to display the text on that page.

        Charlotte Foust


        -----Original Message-----
        From: Gregg [mailto:greggs at msn.com] 
        Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 8:43 AM
        To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
        Subject: Re: [AccessD] Memo field parsing


        Charlotte

        Physical space I think because I don't know how to get from one to the
        other.  The number of characters is going to be dependant on the how
        many characters are lost to word wrapping isn't it?  Is there a way to
        calculate the number of characters that will appear in the first three
        lines?  If I knew that, I could do it.
          ----- Original Message ----- 
          From: Charlotte
      Foust<mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com<mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.co<mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com<mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.co<mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com<mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.co<mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com<mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.co>>
      m>> 
          To: Access Developers discussion and problem
       
      solving<mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com<mailto:accessd at databaseadvis<mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com<mailto:accessd at databaseadvis<mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com<mailto:accessd at databaseadvis<mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com<mailto:accessd at databaseadvis>>
      ors.com>> 
          Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 10:28 AM
          Subject: RE: [AccessD] Memo field parsing


          Define "first three lines".   Is that a particular number of
        characters
          or a physical space?

          Charlotte Foust


          -----Original Message-----
          From: Gregg [mailto:greggs at msn.com] 
          Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 7:32 AM
          To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
          Subject: [AccessD] Memo field parsing

          I would like to parse a memo field in a A97 report such that the first three lines is on the first page and whatever is left is on the next.
          Any ideas?

          Gregg Steinbrenner
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From fhtapia at gmail.com  Fri Aug  5 17:32:23 2005
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 15:32:23 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Online Archives
Message-ID: <b874372a0508051532f78694c@mail.gmail.com>

Drew,
you used to keep an archives online, but for whatever reason I'm not able to 
get to it... I'm trying to find that hint to tell access to always default 
to code builder from the Bulild Event... context menu

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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Fri Aug  5 17:37:21 2005
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 17:37:21 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] RE: Friday Humor
In-Reply-To: <24639750.1123264359656.JavaMail.root@sniper21>
Message-ID: <000001c59a0e$3fc3e6b0$0200a8c0@danwaters>

"That was just wrong!", I said to myself while rolling on the floor!

Dan Waters


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
dmcafee at pacbell.net
Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 1:03 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] RE: Friday Humor

Once upon a time, there was a snake, named Nate. Rather close to Nate's
house there was a great road, and next to this road was a lever. The lever
was ancient, and the mythology around the lever was that if you were to push
it, it would trigger the end of the world.

One day, Nate was slithering down the road, and he came upon the lever, and
began crossing the road so he could look at it. At the same moment, a truck
came careening around a corner, and the driver found himself in a dilemma:
either hit the snake or end the world. Needless to say, the driver ran over
Nate and went on his merry way.




Moral of the Story: Better Nate than Lever

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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Fri Aug  5 17:37:21 2005
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 17:37:21 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] SendObject
In-Reply-To: <14134571.1123265958309.JavaMail.root@sniper21>
Message-ID: <000101c59a0e$40fa1cc0$0200a8c0@danwaters>

Barbara,

I'm pretty sure that the DoCmd.SendObject command can only be used to send
objects that are a part of the Access database, when the command is used
within an Access database.  To send a different file, you'll need to use
something else - like SMTP email.  An example of this is vbSendMail.dll,
available from FreeVBCode.com.

The help file for SendObject is pretty good.

Dan Waters

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Barbara Ryan
Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 1:32 PM
To: Access List
Subject: [AccessD] SendObject

I've used Docmd.SendObject to email Snapshot files.  I now need to email a
.txt file and am having problems.  There doesn't appear to be an object type
for text files.

Any ideas?

Thanks,
Barb Ryan
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From donald.a.Mcgillivray at mail.sprint.com  Fri Aug  5 17:40:54 2005
From: donald.a.Mcgillivray at mail.sprint.com (Mcgillivray, Don [ITS])
Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 17:40:54 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Online Archives
Message-ID: <EC829B33DF5B5B48A956B7A2E894AA9A01431F8E@PLSWB06C.ad.sprint.com>

Francisco,

Tick the box next to "Always use event procedures" under
Options|Forms/Reports.

HTH

Don




From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Fri Aug  5 17:41:26 2005
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (DWUTKA at marlow.com)
Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 17:41:26 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] Online Archives
Message-ID: <123701F54509D9119A4F00D0B747349016DC29@main2.marlow.com>

Sorry, my domain is offline still.  Hopefully will be back up by the end of
the month.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Francisco Tapia [mailto:fhtapia at gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 5:32 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Online Archives


Drew,
you used to keep an archives online, but for whatever reason I'm not able to

get to it... I'm trying to find that hint to tell access to always default 
to code builder from the Bulild Event... context menu

-- 
-Francisco
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri Aug  5 18:02:40 2005
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 16:02:40 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Online Archives
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86873B8B@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Hmmn .... Which month is that, Drew? <g>

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com] 
Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 3:41 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Online Archives


Sorry, my domain is offline still.  Hopefully will be back up by the end
of the month.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Francisco Tapia [mailto:fhtapia at gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 5:32 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Online Archives


Drew,
you used to keep an archives online, but for whatever reason I'm not
able to

get to it... I'm trying to find that hint to tell access to always
default 
to code builder from the Bulild Event... context menu

-- 
-Francisco
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http://sqlthis.blogspot.com | Tsql and More...
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From carbonnb at sympatico.ca  Fri Aug  5 18:58:32 2005
From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Fri, 05 Aug 2005 19:58:32 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Online Archives
In-Reply-To: <b874372a0508051532f78694c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAYC1-PASMTP03C81B9D451ED5C7F46202AEC70@cez.ice>

On 5 Aug 2005 at 15:32, Francisco Tapia wrote:

> you used to keep an archives online, but for whatever reason I'm not
> able to get to it... I'm trying to find that hint to tell access to
> always default to code builder from the Bulild Event... context menu

There's always DBAs archive at 
http://databaseadvisors.com/pipermail/accessd/

-- 
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca
A truly happy person is one who can enjoy the scenery on a detour. 




From kimjwiggins at yahoo.com  Fri Aug  5 22:06:05 2005
From: kimjwiggins at yahoo.com (Kim Wiggins)
Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 20:06:05 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] SQL statement
In-Reply-To: <42F46C8B.21016.1E30726C@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <20050806030605.53985.qmail@web53603.mail.yahoo.com>

Thanks Stuart.  I did figure that out after the fact  You are correct because it can't resolve the field name that way.

Stuart McLachlan <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg> wrote:On 5 Aug 2005 at 8:06, Kim Wiggins wrote:

> I'm sorry John, I didn't explain that well. It is Quantity1, etc.... The (i) is the index in my program for me to loop through the fields.
> 
.....
> > I don't see anything. strSQL1 = "update tblRepairPartsReplaced set 
> > quantity (i) = '" & Val(txtQty(i)) & "' Where part_no = '" & 
> > txtPartsRep(i).Text & "'" Thanks Kim
> > 

If "i" is an index in your code,you can't have it inside strSQL1. When you 
build the string, you have to resolve everything the way you do 
Val(txtQty(i)). IOW you would need to replace "quantity(i) = " with 
something like "Quantity" & i & " = "


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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Sat Aug  6 02:23:26 2005
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2005 08:23:26 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] SendObject
In-Reply-To: <000101c59a0e$40fa1cc0$0200a8c0@danwaters>
Message-ID: <006a01c59a57$bc8d3450$901b0c54@minster33c3r25>

Dan's right. Can't use SendObject in a case like this. If your email client
is Outlook you can use the Outlook object to do it though. I can send you an
example if you want.

-- Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
> Sent: 05 August 2005 23:37
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] SendObject
> 
> 
> Barbara,
> 
> I'm pretty sure that the DoCmd.SendObject command can only be 
> used to send objects that are a part of the Access database, 
> when the command is used within an Access database.  To send 
> a different file, you'll need to use something else - like 
> SMTP email.  An example of this is vbSendMail.dll, available 
> from FreeVBCode.com.
> 
> The help file for SendObject is pretty good.
> 
> Dan Waters
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Barbara Ryan
> Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 1:32 PM
> To: Access List
> Subject: [AccessD] SendObject
> 
> I've used Docmd.SendObject to email Snapshot files.  I now 
> need to email a .txt file and am having problems.  There 
> doesn't appear to be an object type for text files.
> 
> Any ideas?
> 
> Thanks,
> Barb Ryan
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> 



From BarbaraRyan at cox.net  Sat Aug  6 06:03:07 2005
From: BarbaraRyan at cox.net (Barbara Ryan)
Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2005 07:03:07 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] SendObject
References: <006a01c59a57$bc8d3450$901b0c54@minster33c3r25>
Message-ID: <001401c59a76$6d115cc0$0a00a8c0@cx470148a>

Thanks for the info.  Andy, that would be great if you could send an
example.....Barb

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Andy Lacey" <andy at minstersystems.co.uk>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2005 3:23 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] SendObject


> Dan's right. Can't use SendObject in a case like this. If your email
client
> is Outlook you can use the Outlook object to do it though. I can send you
an
> example if you want.
>
> -- Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
> > Sent: 05 August 2005 23:37
> > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] SendObject
> >
> >
> > Barbara,
> >
> > I'm pretty sure that the DoCmd.SendObject command can only be
> > used to send objects that are a part of the Access database,
> > when the command is used within an Access database.  To send
> > a different file, you'll need to use something else - like
> > SMTP email.  An example of this is vbSendMail.dll, available
> > from FreeVBCode.com.
> >
> > The help file for SendObject is pretty good.
> >
> > Dan Waters
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > Barbara Ryan
> > Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 1:32 PM
> > To: Access List
> > Subject: [AccessD] SendObject
> >
> > I've used Docmd.SendObject to email Snapshot files.  I now
> > need to email a .txt file and am having problems.  There
> > doesn't appear to be an object type for text files.
> >
> > Any ideas?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Barb Ryan
> > --
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> >
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sat Aug  6 11:16:13 2005
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2005 09:16:13 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Online Archives
In-Reply-To: <BAYC1-PASMTP03C81B9D451ED5C7F46202AEC70@cez.ice>
Message-ID: <0IKT0024Y6IZV7@l-daemon>

..or http://www.databaseadvisors.com/archive/archive.htm

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bryan Carbonnell
Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 4:59 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Online Archives

On 5 Aug 2005 at 15:32, Francisco Tapia wrote:

> you used to keep an archives online, but for whatever reason I'm not
> able to get to it... I'm trying to find that hint to tell access to
> always default to code builder from the Bulild Event... context menu

There's always DBAs archive at 
http://databaseadvisors.com/pipermail/accessd/

-- 
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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Sat Aug  6 12:44:28 2005
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2005 18:44:28 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] SendObject
In-Reply-To: <001401c59a76$6d115cc0$0a00a8c0@cx470148a>
Message-ID: <008901c59aae$7f0ca7d0$901b0c54@minster33c3r25>

Here you go Barbara

Don't forget to set a Reference to the Outlook Object Library and put in
error trapping etc



Function SendOutlookMessage()

Dim objOutlook As Outlook.Application
Dim objOutlookMsg As Outlook.MailItem
Dim objOutlookRecip As Outlook.Recipient
Dim objOutlookAttach As Outlook.Attachment
Dim objOutlookNameSpace As Outlook.NameSpace
Dim objOutlookItem As Outlook.ContactItem
Dim objOutlookFolder As Object
Dim lngCounter As Long
Dim astrRecipients() As String
Dim astrAttachments() As String
Dim strSubject As String
Dim strBody As String

'Put code in here to build up array of recipients and attachments


'Create the Outlook session
Set objOutlook = CreateObject("Outlook.Application")

Set objOutlookNameSpace = objOutlook.GetNamespace("MAPI")
Set objOutlookFolder =
objOutlookNameSpace.GetDefaultFolder(olFolderContacts)

'Create the message
Set objOutlookMsg = objOutlook.CreateItem(olMailItem)
With objOutlookMsg
  'Add recipients
  For lngCounter = 1 To UBound(astrRecipients)
    Set objOutlookRecip = .Recipients.Add(astrRecipients(lngCounter))
    objOutlookRecip.Type = olTo
  Next
  'Resolve each recipients name
  For Each objOutlookRecip In .Recipients
    objOutlookRecip.Resolve
  Next
  .Subject = strSubject
  .Body = strBody
  .Importance = olImportanceNormal
  For lngCounter = 1 To UBound(astrAttachments)
    Set objOutlookAttach = .Attachments.Add(astrAttachments(lngCounter))
  Next
  .Save
  .Send
End With

End Function

HTH

-- Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 



> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Barbara Ryan
> Sent: 06 August 2005 12:03
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] SendObject
> 
> 
> Thanks for the info.  Andy, that would be great if you could 
> send an example.....Barb
> 



From BarbaraRyan at cox.net  Sat Aug  6 14:23:24 2005
From: BarbaraRyan at cox.net (Barbara Ryan)
Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2005 15:23:24 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] SendObject
References: <008901c59aae$7f0ca7d0$901b0c54@minster33c3r25>
Message-ID: <002601c59abc$50a8dc20$0a00a8c0@cx470148a>

Thanks, Andy.... I really appreciate it!.....Barb



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Andy Lacey" <andy at minstersystems.co.uk>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2005 1:44 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] SendObject


> Here you go Barbara
>
> Don't forget to set a Reference to the Outlook Object Library and put in
> error trapping etc
>
>
>
> Function SendOutlookMessage()
>
> Dim objOutlook As Outlook.Application
> Dim objOutlookMsg As Outlook.MailItem
> Dim objOutlookRecip As Outlook.Recipient
> Dim objOutlookAttach As Outlook.Attachment
> Dim objOutlookNameSpace As Outlook.NameSpace
> Dim objOutlookItem As Outlook.ContactItem
> Dim objOutlookFolder As Object
> Dim lngCounter As Long
> Dim astrRecipients() As String
> Dim astrAttachments() As String
> Dim strSubject As String
> Dim strBody As String
>
> 'Put code in here to build up array of recipients and attachments
>
>
> 'Create the Outlook session
> Set objOutlook = CreateObject("Outlook.Application")
>
> Set objOutlookNameSpace = objOutlook.GetNamespace("MAPI")
> Set objOutlookFolder =
> objOutlookNameSpace.GetDefaultFolder(olFolderContacts)
>
> 'Create the message
> Set objOutlookMsg = objOutlook.CreateItem(olMailItem)
> With objOutlookMsg
>   'Add recipients
>   For lngCounter = 1 To UBound(astrRecipients)
>     Set objOutlookRecip = .Recipients.Add(astrRecipients(lngCounter))
>     objOutlookRecip.Type = olTo
>   Next
>   'Resolve each recipients name
>   For Each objOutlookRecip In .Recipients
>     objOutlookRecip.Resolve
>   Next
>   .Subject = strSubject
>   .Body = strBody
>   .Importance = olImportanceNormal
>   For lngCounter = 1 To UBound(astrAttachments)
>     Set objOutlookAttach = .Attachments.Add(astrAttachments(lngCounter))
>   Next
>   .Save
>   .Send
> End With
>
> End Function
>
> HTH
>
> -- Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > Barbara Ryan
> > Sent: 06 August 2005 12:03
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] SendObject
> >
> >
> > Thanks for the info.  Andy, that would be great if you could
> > send an example.....Barb
> >
>
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From dmcafee at pacbell.net  Sat Aug  6 16:14:48 2005
From: dmcafee at pacbell.net (dmcafee at pacbell.net)
Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2005 14:14:48 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] SendObject
In-Reply-To: <002601c59abc$50a8dc20$0a00a8c0@cx470148a>
Message-ID: <KDEHKEMIOHGKCDHLPPLKMEFMFHAA.dmcafee@pacbell.net>

If you are using Outlook 2000 SP2 or higher, you will also have to deal with
confirming that the email is good.

Another thing you can try is blat. List member Francisco Tapia has a great
sample on rogersaccesslibrary under other developers.  Blat runs behind the
scenes and we added it to the error handling. This is the way Outlook SHOULD
(and used to) work.

David


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Barbara Ryan
Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2005 12:23 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] SendObject


Thanks, Andy.... I really appreciate it!.....Barb



----- Original Message -----
From: "Andy Lacey" <andy at minstersystems.co.uk>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2005 1:44 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] SendObject


> Here you go Barbara
>
> Don't forget to set a Reference to the Outlook Object Library and put in
> error trapping etc
>
>
>
> Function SendOutlookMessage()
>
> Dim objOutlook As Outlook.Application
> Dim objOutlookMsg As Outlook.MailItem
> Dim objOutlookRecip As Outlook.Recipient
> Dim objOutlookAttach As Outlook.Attachment
> Dim objOutlookNameSpace As Outlook.NameSpace
> Dim objOutlookItem As Outlook.ContactItem
> Dim objOutlookFolder As Object
> Dim lngCounter As Long
> Dim astrRecipients() As String
> Dim astrAttachments() As String
> Dim strSubject As String
> Dim strBody As String
>
> 'Put code in here to build up array of recipients and attachments
>
>
> 'Create the Outlook session
> Set objOutlook = CreateObject("Outlook.Application")
>
> Set objOutlookNameSpace = objOutlook.GetNamespace("MAPI")
> Set objOutlookFolder =
> objOutlookNameSpace.GetDefaultFolder(olFolderContacts)
>
> 'Create the message
> Set objOutlookMsg = objOutlook.CreateItem(olMailItem)
> With objOutlookMsg
>   'Add recipients
>   For lngCounter = 1 To UBound(astrRecipients)
>     Set objOutlookRecip = .Recipients.Add(astrRecipients(lngCounter))
>     objOutlookRecip.Type = olTo
>   Next
>   'Resolve each recipients name
>   For Each objOutlookRecip In .Recipients
>     objOutlookRecip.Resolve
>   Next
>   .Subject = strSubject
>   .Body = strBody
>   .Importance = olImportanceNormal
>   For lngCounter = 1 To UBound(astrAttachments)
>     Set objOutlookAttach = .Attachments.Add(astrAttachments(lngCounter))
>   Next
>   .Save
>   .Send
> End With
>
> End Function
>
> HTH
>
> -- Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk



From BarbaraRyan at cox.net  Sat Aug  6 18:20:20 2005
From: BarbaraRyan at cox.net (Barbara Ryan)
Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2005 19:20:20 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] SendObject
References: <KDEHKEMIOHGKCDHLPPLKMEFMFHAA.dmcafee@pacbell.net>
Message-ID: <008301c59add$6a12e400$0a00a8c0@cx470148a>

David.... Does "confirming that the email is good" mean confirming that the
email address is valid?....Barb


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <dmcafee at pacbell.net>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2005 5:14 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] SendObject


> If you are using Outlook 2000 SP2 or higher, you will also have to deal
with
> confirming that the email is good.
>
> Another thing you can try is blat. List member Francisco Tapia has a great
> sample on rogersaccesslibrary under other developers.  Blat runs behind
the
> scenes and we added it to the error handling. This is the way Outlook
SHOULD
> (and used to) work.
>
> David
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Barbara Ryan
> Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2005 12:23 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] SendObject
>
>
> Thanks, Andy.... I really appreciate it!.....Barb
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Andy Lacey" <andy at minstersystems.co.uk>
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2005 1:44 PM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] SendObject
>
>
> > Here you go Barbara
> >
> > Don't forget to set a Reference to the Outlook Object Library and put in
> > error trapping etc
> >
> >
> >
> > Function SendOutlookMessage()
> >
> > Dim objOutlook As Outlook.Application
> > Dim objOutlookMsg As Outlook.MailItem
> > Dim objOutlookRecip As Outlook.Recipient
> > Dim objOutlookAttach As Outlook.Attachment
> > Dim objOutlookNameSpace As Outlook.NameSpace
> > Dim objOutlookItem As Outlook.ContactItem
> > Dim objOutlookFolder As Object
> > Dim lngCounter As Long
> > Dim astrRecipients() As String
> > Dim astrAttachments() As String
> > Dim strSubject As String
> > Dim strBody As String
> >
> > 'Put code in here to build up array of recipients and attachments
> >
> >
> > 'Create the Outlook session
> > Set objOutlook = CreateObject("Outlook.Application")
> >
> > Set objOutlookNameSpace = objOutlook.GetNamespace("MAPI")
> > Set objOutlookFolder =
> > objOutlookNameSpace.GetDefaultFolder(olFolderContacts)
> >
> > 'Create the message
> > Set objOutlookMsg = objOutlook.CreateItem(olMailItem)
> > With objOutlookMsg
> >   'Add recipients
> >   For lngCounter = 1 To UBound(astrRecipients)
> >     Set objOutlookRecip = .Recipients.Add(astrRecipients(lngCounter))
> >     objOutlookRecip.Type = olTo
> >   Next
> >   'Resolve each recipients name
> >   For Each objOutlookRecip In .Recipients
> >     objOutlookRecip.Resolve
> >   Next
> >   .Subject = strSubject
> >   .Body = strBody
> >   .Importance = olImportanceNormal
> >   For lngCounter = 1 To UBound(astrAttachments)
> >     Set objOutlookAttach = .Attachments.Add(astrAttachments(lngCounter))
> >   Next
> >   .Save
> >   .Send
> > End With
> >
> > End Function
> >
> > HTH
> >
> > -- Andy Lacey
> > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sat Aug  6 18:58:07 2005
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sun, 07 Aug 2005 09:58:07 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] SendObject
In-Reply-To: <008301c59add$6a12e400$0a00a8c0@cx470148a>
Message-ID: <42F5DB2F.20473.23C896E6@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

On 6 Aug 2005 at 19:20, Barbara Ryan wrote:

> David.... Does "confirming that the email is good" mean confirming that the
> email address is valid?....Barb
> 
> 

No, he's talking about that annoying popup telling you that a program is 
trying to send a message and asking you to confirm that it is allowed to do 
so.

-- 
Stuart




From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Sat Aug  6 22:02:23 2005
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (DWUTKA at marlow.com)
Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2005 22:02:23 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] Online Archives
Message-ID: <123701F54509D9119A4F00D0B747349016DC32@main2.marlow.com>

August...though it may be September the way things are going....

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 6:03 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Online Archives


Hmmn .... Which month is that, Drew? <g>

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com] 
Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 3:41 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Online Archives


Sorry, my domain is offline still.  Hopefully will be back up by the end
of the month.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Francisco Tapia [mailto:fhtapia at gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 5:32 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Online Archives


Drew,
you used to keep an archives online, but for whatever reason I'm not
able to

get to it... I'm trying to find that hint to tell access to always
default 
to code builder from the Bulild Event... context menu

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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Sun Aug  7 02:27:35 2005
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2005 08:27:35 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] SendObject
In-Reply-To: <42F5DB2F.20473.23C896E6@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <009c01c59b21$7b7469a0$901b0c54@minster33c3r25>

Barbara
If you are on Outlook XP, or SP2 of 2000, then you will get a security popup
from Outlook each time you use that code, asking if it's ok for the program
that's running to use Outlook. If you get it, and it's a problem to you,
then there's a free 3rd-party utility called Redemption, that a lot of list
members use, that gets around it. If you need it then go to
http://www.dimastr.com/redemption/ and get it and install it. I can then, if
you want, send another version of the code modified for Redemption.

-- Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Stuart McLachlan
> Sent: 07 August 2005 00:58
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] SendObject
> 
> 
> On 6 Aug 2005 at 19:20, Barbara Ryan wrote:
> 
> > David.... Does "confirming that the email is good" mean confirming 
> > that the email address is valid?....Barb
> > 
> > 
> 
> No, he's talking about that annoying popup telling you that a 
> program is 
> trying to send a message and asking you to confirm that it is 
> allowed to do 
> so.
> 
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From John.Clark at niagaracounty.com  Mon Aug  8 08:18:55 2005
From: John.Clark at niagaracounty.com (John Clark)
Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2005 09:18:55 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Security Problem w/existing program
Message-ID: <s2f7239f.075@nebnov3.niagaracounty.com>

Somebody at work came to me w/a problem today. Their program, which runs
on a Citrix box, is written in AXP, so they figured I could help them. I
am feeling a little dumb though because I'm not getting anywhere w/it.

The program is working fine actually, but the security has disappeared.
Now, I don't have much experience with Access security to begin with,
but I have been able to muddle my through it, in the past. However,
everything I've dealt with in the past seemed to include an MDW file,
but no such animal exists in this environment (did this go away with
XP?). I looked at a backup directory they have and it isn't there
either, which leads me to believe it is not just missing.

Instead however, there are a bunch of files I have never worked with
(i.e. .MDO, .MOD, .ODB, .MDA, .MOA). I found nothing, in a search, for
.MDO files, but I found out that .MDA files are "Access Add-ins." I am
now wondering if this is using some add-in that supercedes standard
security procedures. When working though, I believe it acts the same
way...they still go into DB security and manipulate workgroups and
users, and their rights.

Does anyone have any ideas of how I can troubleshoot this? I realize I
may not be giving enough info, but I really don't know what else to add,
at this point, so just ask if you need it. I am headed back into it now,
but I'll check back in a bit to see what y'all might have for me.

Thank you!

John W Clark


From jimdettman at earthlink.net  Mon Aug  8 08:29:28 2005
From: jimdettman at earthlink.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 09:29:28 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Security Problem w/existing program
In-Reply-To: <s2f7239f.075@nebnov3.niagaracounty.com>
Message-ID: <NDEALJOEGMMPCDKIFGNFGECAEIAA.jimdettman@earthlink.net>

John,

<<The program is working fine actually, but the security has disappeared.>>

  Please define "disappeared".  What is or is not happening?

<< I am
now wondering if this is using some add-in that supercedes standard
security procedures.>>

  Access databases can have any extention and still execute (except for
LDB).  It is possible that the developer has implemented their own security
setup within the app and Access security is not being used.

  I would also ask; Has anything changed recently?  Hardware, software, OS,
setup, etc.

Jim.


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Clark
Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 9:19 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Security Problem w/existing program


Somebody at work came to me w/a problem today. Their program, which runs
on a Citrix box, is written in AXP, so they figured I could help them. I
am feeling a little dumb though because I'm not getting anywhere w/it.

The program is working fine actually, but the security has disappeared.
Now, I don't have much experience with Access security to begin with,
but I have been able to muddle my through it, in the past. However,
everything I've dealt with in the past seemed to include an MDW file,
but no such animal exists in this environment (did this go away with
XP?). I looked at a backup directory they have and it isn't there
either, which leads me to believe it is not just missing.

Instead however, there are a bunch of files I have never worked with
(i.e. .MDO, .MOD, .ODB, .MDA, .MOA). I found nothing, in a search, for
.MDO files, but I found out that .MDA files are "Access Add-ins." I am
now wondering if this is using some add-in that supercedes standard
security procedures. When working though, I believe it acts the same
way...they still go into DB security and manipulate workgroups and
users, and their rights.

Does anyone have any ideas of how I can troubleshoot this? I realize I
may not be giving enough info, but I really don't know what else to add,
at this point, so just ask if you need it. I am headed back into it now,
but I'll check back in a bit to see what y'all might have for me.

Thank you!

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From John.Clark at niagaracounty.com  Mon Aug  8 09:04:33 2005
From: John.Clark at niagaracounty.com (John Clark)
Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2005 10:04:33 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Security Problem w/existing program
Message-ID: <s2f72e8d.075@nebnov3.niagaracounty.com>

We got it working. Somehow the shortcut was changed, and it was missing
"/user" at the end of the command line. Without this, the program just
opened up, but was the same user, with limited rights, for everyone
(this is what I meant by missing...no login). 

Although it is now working, the user has to enter their password, which
was automated before. It used to bring in their Citrix login ID or of
the Windows server it is on. Maybe y'all know how to do this? What is
the syntax, in a shortcut, to drag in a users Windows ID?

I am glad I asked for help though, because I did learn something. I
hadn't realized that the extensions could be changed. I am going to look
into this a little more, because it may be useful for me.

>>> jimdettman at earthlink.net 8/8/2005 9:29 AM >>>
John,

<<The program is working fine actually, but the security has
disappeared.>>

  Please define "disappeared".  What is or is not happening?

<< I am
now wondering if this is using some add-in that supercedes standard
security procedures.>>

  Access databases can have any extention and still execute (except
for
LDB).  It is possible that the developer has implemented their own
security
setup within the app and Access security is not being used.

  I would also ask; Has anything changed recently?  Hardware, software,
OS,
setup, etc.

Jim.


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Clark
Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 9:19 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: [AccessD] Security Problem w/existing program


Somebody at work came to me w/a problem today. Their program, which
runs
on a Citrix box, is written in AXP, so they figured I could help them.
I
am feeling a little dumb though because I'm not getting anywhere w/it.

The program is working fine actually, but the security has
disappeared.
Now, I don't have much experience with Access security to begin with,
but I have been able to muddle my through it, in the past. However,
everything I've dealt with in the past seemed to include an MDW file,
but no such animal exists in this environment (did this go away with
XP?). I looked at a backup directory they have and it isn't there
either, which leads me to believe it is not just missing.

Instead however, there are a bunch of files I have never worked with
(i.e. .MDO, .MOD, .ODB, .MDA, .MOA). I found nothing, in a search, for
.MDO files, but I found out that .MDA files are "Access Add-ins." I am
now wondering if this is using some add-in that supercedes standard
security procedures. When working though, I believe it acts the same
way...they still go into DB security and manipulate workgroups and
users, and their rights.

Does anyone have any ideas of how I can troubleshoot this? I realize I
may not be giving enough info, but I really don't know what else to
add,
at this point, so just ask if you need it. I am headed back into it
now,
but I'll check back in a bit to see what y'all might have for me.

Thank you!

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From jimdettman at earthlink.net  Mon Aug  8 09:42:07 2005
From: jimdettman at earthlink.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 10:42:07 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Security Problem w/existing program
In-Reply-To: <s2f72e8d.075@nebnov3.niagaracounty.com>
Message-ID: <NDEALJOEGMMPCDKIFGNFOECKEIAA.jimdettman@earthlink.net>

John,

<<We got it working. Somehow the shortcut was changed, and it was missing
"/user" at the end of the command line. Without this, the program just
opened up, but was the same user, with limited rights, for everyone
(this is what I meant by missing...no login). >>

  Assuming that Access security is being used, that means that the Admin
account has a blank password.

  Access user-level security is always on, but by default, JET tries a login
with a username of admin and a blank password first.  If that succeeds, then
the login is bypassed.

  It's possible to secure a databases in such a way that you can leave the
default login like this, but give the admin user limited rights.

<< It used to bring in their Citrix login ID or of
the Windows server it is on. Maybe y'all know how to do this? What is
the syntax, in a shortcut, to drag in a users Windows ID?>>

  They must have had some type of "launcher" app that created the shortcut
on the fly.

<<I am glad I asked for help though, because I did learn something. I
hadn't realized that the extensions could be changed. I am going to look
into this a little more, because it may be useful for me.>>

  A lot of folks don't realize it.  MDA's, MDW's, etc are all MDB's and
Access really doesn't care about the extension at all.  Some MDA's are
distributed as an "MDE" (no source code) ala the Wizards back with A95.

  Like my mom always said; it's what is inside that counts<g>.

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Clark
Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 10:05 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Security Problem w/existing program


We got it working. Somehow the shortcut was changed, and it was missing
"/user" at the end of the command line. Without this, the program just
opened up, but was the same user, with limited rights, for everyone
(this is what I meant by missing...no login).

Although it is now working, the user has to enter their password, which
was automated before. It used to bring in their Citrix login ID or of
the Windows server it is on. Maybe y'all know how to do this? What is
the syntax, in a shortcut, to drag in a users Windows ID?

I am glad I asked for help though, because I did learn something. I
hadn't realized that the extensions could be changed. I am going to look
into this a little more, because it may be useful for me.

>>> jimdettman at earthlink.net 8/8/2005 9:29 AM >>>
John,

<<The program is working fine actually, but the security has
disappeared.>>

  Please define "disappeared".  What is or is not happening?

<< I am
now wondering if this is using some add-in that supercedes standard
security procedures.>>

  Access databases can have any extention and still execute (except
for
LDB).  It is possible that the developer has implemented their own
security
setup within the app and Access security is not being used.

  I would also ask; Has anything changed recently?  Hardware, software,
OS,
setup, etc.

Jim.


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Clark
Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 9:19 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Security Problem w/existing program


Somebody at work came to me w/a problem today. Their program, which
runs
on a Citrix box, is written in AXP, so they figured I could help them.
I
am feeling a little dumb though because I'm not getting anywhere w/it.

The program is working fine actually, but the security has
disappeared.
Now, I don't have much experience with Access security to begin with,
but I have been able to muddle my through it, in the past. However,
everything I've dealt with in the past seemed to include an MDW file,
but no such animal exists in this environment (did this go away with
XP?). I looked at a backup directory they have and it isn't there
either, which leads me to believe it is not just missing.

Instead however, there are a bunch of files I have never worked with
(i.e. .MDO, .MOD, .ODB, .MDA, .MOA). I found nothing, in a search, for
.MDO files, but I found out that .MDA files are "Access Add-ins." I am
now wondering if this is using some add-in that supercedes standard
security procedures. When working though, I believe it acts the same
way...they still go into DB security and manipulate workgroups and
users, and their rights.

Does anyone have any ideas of how I can troubleshoot this? I realize I
may not be giving enough info, but I really don't know what else to
add,
at this point, so just ask if you need it. I am headed back into it
now,
but I'll check back in a bit to see what y'all might have for me.

Thank you!

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From cyx5 at cdc.gov  Mon Aug  8 09:56:37 2005
From: cyx5 at cdc.gov (Nicholson, Karen)
Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 10:56:37 -0400
Subject: FW: [AccessD] Access 2003 Reports Not Working
Message-ID: <A5B5AA20555F594BA7B6BD2048E49E4376FDA7@m-niosh-5.niosh.cdc.gov>

 For reference, I found out why Access 2003 was not responding to
anything to do with the world of Printing on my end-user's pc.  The
security settings for the default printer were not set up with enough
freedom for the user to do much - she could print from other
applications in the 2003 suite but not Access 2003.  WIERD.



From fhtapia at gmail.com  Mon Aug  8 10:36:08 2005
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 08:36:08 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Online Archives
In-Reply-To: <EC829B33DF5B5B48A956B7A2E894AA9A01431F8E@PLSWB06C.ad.sprint.com>
References: <AcWaDeHgRxxiccbnQzOAavkihZ+q3gAAKF9g>
	<EC829B33DF5B5B48A956B7A2E894AA9A01431F8E@PLSWB06C.ad.sprint.com>
Message-ID: <b874372a050808083657dc73b6@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks,
This is what I was looking for... 

On 8/5/05, Mcgillivray, Don [ITS] <donald.a.Mcgillivray at mail.sprint.com> 
wrote:
> 
> Francisco,
> 
> Tick the box next to "Always use event procedures" under
> Options|Forms/Reports.
> 
> HTH
> 
> Don
> 
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From roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk  Mon Aug  8 11:31:34 2005
From: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk (Roz Clarke)
Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 17:31:34 +0100 
Subject: [AccessD] ADO - 424 error
Message-ID: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C8318807225E4E@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>

Hi all

I am getting a 424 error (object required) at the line in the code below
which opens an ADO recordset:

    Dim cnn As New ADODB.Connection
    Dim rs_ReqList As ADODB.Recordset 'temp requests list for filtering
rs_Req
    Dim strSQL As String

    Set cnn = CurrentProject.Connection
    Set rs_ReqList = New ADODB.Recordset

    DoCmd.RunSQL "DELETE FROM tblTemp_AddDelegates"

    strSQL = "SELECT * from tblTemp_AddDelegates"
    rsReqList.Open strSQL, cnn, adOpenDynamic, adLockOptimistic, adCmdTable


In my experience, a 424 error is usually associated with a missing
reference, however my ADO reference is fine and I can open other recordsets.

It fails the same way if I pass the table name in instead of using a SQL
string.

I have identical code running in another database (different table
obviously) that works fine, and the fact that the table is empty shouldn't
cause a problem...

Anyone got any ideas? It looks so simple I can't believe it's not working 
/em bangs head on table

TIA

Roz
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Aug  8 11:50:32 2005
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 09:50:32 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] ADO - 424 error
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86873B8E@infoserver01.infostat.local>

What happens if you simply execute the DELETE SQL on the connection
instead of reverting to DAO to RunSQL?  Does that make a difference?  I
would expect the Open statement to need an adCmdText if you are passing
in a SQL string rather than a table name.  And is the table local or
linked?

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk] 
Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 9:32 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] ADO - 424 error


Hi all

I am getting a 424 error (object required) at the line in the code below
which opens an ADO recordset:

    Dim cnn As New ADODB.Connection
    Dim rs_ReqList As ADODB.Recordset 'temp requests list for filtering
rs_Req
    Dim strSQL As String

    Set cnn = CurrentProject.Connection
    Set rs_ReqList = New ADODB.Recordset

    DoCmd.RunSQL "DELETE FROM tblTemp_AddDelegates"

    strSQL = "SELECT * from tblTemp_AddDelegates"
    rsReqList.Open strSQL, cnn, adOpenDynamic, adLockOptimistic,
adCmdTable


In my experience, a 424 error is usually associated with a missing
reference, however my ADO reference is fine and I can open other
recordsets.

It fails the same way if I pass the table name in instead of using a SQL
string.

I have identical code running in another database (different table
obviously) that works fine, and the fact that the table is empty
shouldn't cause a problem...

Anyone got any ideas? It looks so simple I can't believe it's not
working 
/em bangs head on table

TIA

Roz


From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com  Mon Aug  8 11:50:21 2005
From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 12:50:21 -0400 
Subject: [AccessD] Fw: ICE - In Case of Emergency
Message-ID: <1D7828CDB8350747AFE9D69E0E90DA1F14254EBD@xlivmbx21.aig.com>

Re "
<http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/htdig/accessd/2005-August/036404.html>
Fw: ICE - In Case of Emergency "
 
So I watched this thread being discussed for a couple of days. I ignored it
for most of the time and then finally gave in to temptation and posted a
reply.
 
BAM! Back comes your 'please take it OT' message within a couple of hours.
AFAIKS no one else was offered this advice. Should I feel paranoid? <g>
 

Lambert 



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Aug  8 12:00:06 2005
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2005 13:00:06 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Fw: ICE - In Case of Emergency
In-Reply-To: <1D7828CDB8350747AFE9D69E0E90DA1F14254EBD@xlivmbx21.aig.com>
Message-ID: <00d601c59c3a$a0bdb2b0$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

>Should I feel paranoid? <g>

Yes, we are out to get you.  <VBG>

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert
Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 12:50 PM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Cc: 'ACCESS-L Email (ACCESS-L at PEACH.EASE.LSOFT.COM)'
Subject: [AccessD] Fw: ICE - In Case of Emergency


Re "
<http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/htdig/accessd/2005-August/036404.html>
Fw: ICE - In Case of Emergency "
 
So I watched this thread being discussed for a couple of days. I ignored it
for most of the time and then finally gave in to temptation and posted a
reply.
 
BAM! Back comes your 'please take it OT' message within a couple of hours.
AFAIKS no one else was offered this advice. Should I feel paranoid? <g>
 

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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Aug  8 12:01:26 2005
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2005 19:01:26 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] ADO - 424 error
Message-ID: <s2f7ac16.000@cactus.dk>

Hi Roz

Try this:

  rsReqList.Open strSQL, cnn, adOpenKeyset, adLockOptimistic

or

  rsReqList.Open "tblTemp_AddDelegates", cnn, adOpenKeyset,
adLockOptimistic, adCmdTable

And, as Charlotte suggests, use .Execute ...

/gustav


>>> roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk 08/08 6:31 pm >>>
Hi all

I am getting a 424 error (object required) at the line in the code
below
which opens an ADO recordset:

    Dim cnn As New ADODB.Connection
    Dim rs_ReqList As ADODB.Recordset 'temp requests list for
filtering
rs_Req
    Dim strSQL As String

    Set cnn = CurrentProject.Connection
    Set rs_ReqList = New ADODB.Recordset

    DoCmd.RunSQL "DELETE FROM tblTemp_AddDelegates"

    strSQL = "SELECT * from tblTemp_AddDelegates"
    rsReqList.Open strSQL, cnn, adOpenDynamic, adLockOptimistic,
adCmdTable


In my experience, a 424 error is usually associated with a missing
reference, however my ADO reference is fine and I can open other
recordsets.

It fails the same way if I pass the table name in instead of using a
SQL
string.

I have identical code running in another database (different table
obviously) that works fine, and the fact that the table is empty
shouldn't
cause a problem...

Anyone got any ideas? It looks so simple I can't believe it's not
working 
/em bangs head on table

TIA

Roz


From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Mon Aug  8 12:50:45 2005
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2005 10:50:45 -0700
Subject: FW: [AccessD] Access 2003 Reports Not Working
References: <A5B5AA20555F594BA7B6BD2048E49E4376FDA7@m-niosh-5.niosh.cdc.gov>
Message-ID: <42F79B75.2040800@shaw.ca>

One thing I do, if I run into this problem and I have install rights is 
put up a PDF printer driver
Adobe, cutepdf or amyuni. This guarantees there is at least one printer 
on the machine albeit a virtual one,
that prints to a file

Nicholson, Karen wrote:

> For reference, I found out why Access 2003 was not responding to
>anything to do with the world of Printing on my end-user's pc.  The
>security settings for the default printer were not set up with enough
>freedom for the user to do much - she could print from other
>applications in the 2003 suite but not Access 2003.  WIERD.
>
>  
>

-- 
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Victoria, B.C.
Canada





From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Mon Aug  8 13:01:59 2005
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2005 11:01:59 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Security Problem w/existing program
References: <s2f72e8d.075@nebnov3.niagaracounty.com>
Message-ID: <42F79E17.4080706@shaw.ca>

I wouldn't mind a peek at your shortcut command line, curious if you 
also have a workgroup file there.
or you are using the default system.mdw
It could also be that your original shortcut command line  was running a 
.vbs file to start things off like below.
You could add code here to determine login id etc.

I trust you have sent off the local villagers with pitchforks and 
torches to hunt down the original program documentor.

'Begin VBScript
dim Ws
dim s
set Ws = CreateObject("Wscript.Shell")
s = """d:\program files\microsoft office\office\msaccess""" & _
 " " & """f:\access\testarea\test.mdb?""" & " /compact"
ws.run s,,-1  
s = """d:\program files\microsoft office\office\msaccess""" & _
" " & """f:\access\testarea\test.mdb?"""
ws.run s,,0
wscript.quit(0)
'End VBScript

John Clark wrote:

>We got it working. Somehow the shortcut was changed, and it was missing
>"/user" at the end of the command line. Without this, the program just
>opened up, but was the same user, with limited rights, for everyone
>(this is what I meant by missing...no login). 
>
>Although it is now working, the user has to enter their password, which
>was automated before. It used to bring in their Citrix login ID or of
>the Windows server it is on. Maybe y'all know how to do this? What is
>the syntax, in a shortcut, to drag in a users Windows ID?
>
>I am glad I asked for help though, because I did learn something. I
>hadn't realized that the extensions could be changed. I am going to look
>into this a little more, because it may be useful for me.
>
>  
>
>>>>jimdettman at earthlink.net 8/8/2005 9:29 AM >>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>John,
>
><<The program is working fine actually, but the security has
>disappeared.>>
>
>  Please define "disappeared".  What is or is not happening?
>
><< I am
>now wondering if this is using some add-in that supercedes standard
>security procedures.>>
>
>  Access databases can have any extention and still execute (except
>for
>LDB).  It is possible that the developer has implemented their own
>security
>setup within the app and Access security is not being used.
>
>  I would also ask; Has anything changed recently?  Hardware, software,
>OS,
>setup, etc.
>
>Jim.
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Clark
>Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 9:19 AM
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
>Subject: [AccessD] Security Problem w/existing program
>
>
>Somebody at work came to me w/a problem today. Their program, which
>runs
>on a Citrix box, is written in AXP, so they figured I could help them.
>I
>am feeling a little dumb though because I'm not getting anywhere w/it.
>
>The program is working fine actually, but the security has
>disappeared.
>Now, I don't have much experience with Access security to begin with,
>but I have been able to muddle my through it, in the past. However,
>everything I've dealt with in the past seemed to include an MDW file,
>but no such animal exists in this environment (did this go away with
>XP?). I looked at a backup directory they have and it isn't there
>either, which leads me to believe it is not just missing.
>
>Instead however, there are a bunch of files I have never worked with
>(i.e. .MDO, .MOD, .ODB, .MDA, .MOA). I found nothing, in a search, for
>.MDO files, but I found out that .MDA files are "Access Add-ins." I am
>now wondering if this is using some add-in that supercedes standard
>security procedures. When working though, I believe it acts the same
>way...they still go into DB security and manipulate workgroups and
>users, and their rights.
>
>Does anyone have any ideas of how I can troubleshoot this? I realize I
>may not be giving enough info, but I really don't know what else to
>add,
>at this point, so just ask if you need it. I am headed back into it
>now,
>but I'll check back in a bit to see what y'all might have for me.
>
>Thank you!
>
>John W Clark
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>
>
>  
>

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Victoria, B.C.
Canada





From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com  Mon Aug  8 13:02:57 2005
From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 14:02:57 -0400 
Subject: [AccessD] Fw: ICE - In Case of Emergency
Message-ID: <1D7828CDB8350747AFE9D69E0E90DA1F14254F0F@xlivmbx21.aig.com>

But I though the saying went... 'just because everyone is out to get you it
does not mean you are paranoid'? <vvbg>

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 1:00 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Fw: ICE - In Case of Emergency


>Should I feel paranoid? <g>

Yes, we are out to get you.  <VBG>

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Aug  8 13:14:05 2005
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2005 14:14:05 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Spread the word - USA ONLY
Message-ID: <00e301c59c44$f9ef35c0$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

https://www.optoutprescreen.com/?rf=t

A web site to specifically opt out of credit card and insurance junk mail
(USA only).

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/




From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Aug  8 13:17:13 2005
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 11:17:13 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Fw: ICE - In Case of Emergency
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86873B8F@infoserver01.infostat.local>

No, you have that wrong.  It's, "Just because you're paranoid it doesn't
mean they're not out to get you!"

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Heenan, Lambert [mailto:Lambert.Heenan at aig.com] 
Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 11:03 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Fw: ICE - In Case of Emergency


But I though the saying went... 'just because everyone is out to get you
it does not mean you are paranoid'? <vvbg>

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 1:00 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Fw: ICE - In Case of Emergency


>Should I feel paranoid? <g>

Yes, we are out to get you.  <VBG>

John W. Colby
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From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com  Mon Aug  8 13:34:14 2005
From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 14:34:14 -0400 
Subject: [AccessD] Fw: ICE - In Case of Emergency
Message-ID: <1D7828CDB8350747AFE9D69E0E90DA1F14254F31@xlivmbx21.aig.com>

Ah yes. I remember now. That way just the way my therapist put it as he was
hitting me over the head with a copy of the Access Developer's handbook. :-)

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 2:17 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Fw: ICE - In Case of Emergency


No, you have that wrong.  It's, "Just because you're paranoid it doesn't
mean they're not out to get you!"

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Heenan, Lambert [mailto:Lambert.Heenan at aig.com] 
Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 11:03 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Fw: ICE - In Case of Emergency


But I though the saying went... 'just because everyone is out to get you it
does not mean you are paranoid'? <vvbg>

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 1:00 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Fw: ICE - In Case of Emergency


>Should I feel paranoid? <g>

Yes, we are out to get you.  <VBG>

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Mon Aug  8 14:15:40 2005
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 20:15:40 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Fw: ICE - In Case of Emergency
In-Reply-To: <1D7828CDB8350747AFE9D69E0E90DA1F14254EBD@xlivmbx21.aig.com>
Message-ID: <000001c59c4d$90e1d020$901b0c54@minster33c3r25>

Hi Lambert
The request to take it to OT was to the thread not to you personally. I just
replied, as normally, to the last message on the thread. That just happened
to be yours. So I'm sorry if you were upset/offended/taken aback or whatever
but there was absolutely nothing aimed specifically at you. I was in fact
responding to a direct request to the moderators to intervene, cos, for
better or worse, that's our 'job'.

Cheers

-- Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Heenan, Lambert
> Sent: 08 August 2005 17:50
> To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
> Cc: 'ACCESS-L Email (ACCESS-L at PEACH.EASE.LSOFT.COM)'
> Subject: [AccessD] Fw: ICE - In Case of Emergency
> 
> 
> Re " 
> <http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/htdig/accessd/2005-August
/036404.html>
Fw: ICE - In Case of Emergency "
 
So I watched this thread being discussed for a couple of days. I ignored it
for most of the time and then finally gave in to temptation and posted a
reply.
 
BAM! Back comes your 'please take it OT' message within a couple of hours.
AFAIKS no one else was offered this advice. Should I feel paranoid? <g>
 

Lambert 

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From artful at rogers.com  Mon Aug  8 17:17:16 2005
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 18:17:16 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Clear Debug Window Programmatically
In-Reply-To: <000001c59c4d$90e1d020$901b0c54@minster33c3r25>
Message-ID: <200508082217.j78MHLR02524@databaseadvisors.com>

Is there a way to clear the debug window programmatically?

TIA,
Arthur



From dw-murphy at cox.net  Mon Aug  8 18:06:37 2005
From: dw-murphy at cox.net (Doug Murphy)
Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 16:06:37 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Adding pdf creation capabilities to distributed runtimes.
In-Reply-To: <200508082217.j78MHLR02524@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <000d01c59c6d$d438aea0$0200a8c0@murphyf3vdfepi>

Folks,

I know there has been a lot of discussion about the various pdf print
drivers that can be integrated with Access to output reports in pdf format.
I am interested in what any of you has experienced with using the CutePDF
SDK with an Access runtime.  We distribute a product as a runtime.  The
installation is built with Wise using the Sagekey scripts for Access 2002.
We have had good luck with this so far, but I would like to add a print to
pdf capability to the product.  The CutePDF SDK with unlimited distribution
as part of a product is interesting since the price is about one fifth of
other, similar products.  Do any of you know of shortcomings or problems
with using this product with runtime applications?

Thanks in advance for sharing your experiences.

Doug



From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Aug  8 19:53:42 2005
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 17:53:42 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Clear Debug Window Programmatically
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86873B93@infoserver01.infostat.local>

I seem to remember someone coming up with a method, but I can't remember
where! :-<  It would probably require a reference to the extensibility
library.

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Arthur Fuller [mailto:artful at rogers.com] 
Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 3:17 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Clear Debug Window Programmatically


Is there a way to clear the debug window programmatically?

TIA,
Arthur

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From dejpolsys at hotmail.com  Mon Aug  8 20:01:25 2005
From: dejpolsys at hotmail.com (William Hindman)
Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 21:01:25 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Spread the word - USA ONLY
References: <00e301c59c44$f9ef35c0$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <BAY103-DAV33DF39B2E9FDC99EA1379AEBB0@phx.gbl>

..but ...wouldn't this threaten the Post Office's profits? ...not very 
patriotic of you JC :)

William

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John W. Colby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 2:14 PM
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Spread the word - USA ONLY


> https://www.optoutprescreen.com/?rf=t
>
> A web site to specifically opt out of credit card and insurance junk mail
> (USA only).
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
> http://folding.stanford.edu/
>
>
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Aug  8 20:26:19 2005
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2005 21:26:19 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Spread the word - USA ONLY
In-Reply-To: <BAY103-DAV33DF39B2E9FDC99EA1379AEBB0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <000301c59c81$5b707ca0$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

LOL, I have been called worse!

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 9:01 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Spread the word - USA ONLY


..but ...wouldn't this threaten the Post Office's profits? ...not very 
patriotic of you JC :)

William

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John W. Colby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 2:14 PM
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Spread the word - USA ONLY


> https://www.optoutprescreen.com/?rf=t
>
> A web site to specifically opt out of credit card and insurance junk 
> mail (USA only).
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause: 
> http://folding.stanford.edu/
>
>
> --
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From paul.hartland at isharp.co.uk  Tue Aug  9 01:53:54 2005
From: paul.hartland at isharp.co.uk (Paul Hartland (ISHARP))
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 07:53:54 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] ADO - 424 error
In-Reply-To: <s2f7ac16.000@cactus.dk>
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Should there be an _ in the rs variable

Dim rs_ReqList As ADODB.Recordset 'temp requests list for filtering rs_Req
rsReqList.Open strSQL, cnn, adOpenDynamic, adLockOptimistic, adCmdTable 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: 08 August 2005 18:01
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] ADO - 424 error

Hi Roz

Try this:

  rsReqList.Open strSQL, cnn, adOpenKeyset, adLockOptimistic

or

  rsReqList.Open "tblTemp_AddDelegates", cnn, adOpenKeyset,
adLockOptimistic, adCmdTable

And, as Charlotte suggests, use .Execute ...

/gustav


>>> roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk 08/08 6:31 pm >>>
Hi all

I am getting a 424 error (object required) at the line in the code below
which opens an ADO recordset:

    Dim cnn As New ADODB.Connection
    Dim rs_ReqList As ADODB.Recordset 'temp requests list for filtering
rs_Req
    Dim strSQL As String

    Set cnn = CurrentProject.Connection
    Set rs_ReqList = New ADODB.Recordset

    DoCmd.RunSQL "DELETE FROM tblTemp_AddDelegates"

    strSQL = "SELECT * from tblTemp_AddDelegates"
    rsReqList.Open strSQL, cnn, adOpenDynamic, adLockOptimistic, adCmdTable


In my experience, a 424 error is usually associated with a missing
reference, however my ADO reference is fine and I can open other recordsets.

It fails the same way if I pass the table name in instead of using a SQL
string.

I have identical code running in another database (different table
obviously) that works fine, and the fact that the table is empty shouldn't
cause a problem...

Anyone got any ideas? It looks so simple I can't believe it's not working
/em bangs head on table

TIA

Roz
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From roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk  Tue Aug  9 03:00:39 2005
From: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk (Roz Clarke)
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 09:00:39 +0100 
Subject: [AccessD] ADO - 424 error
Message-ID: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C8318807225E50@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>

Thanks for answering.

Urr... I'm not sure how to execute the SQL on the connection.

The cmdTable was left over from when I was passing it the table name, well
spotted, it didn't work either way though.

The table is local.

-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com] 
Sent: 08 August 2005 17:51
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] ADO - 424 error


What happens if you simply execute the DELETE SQL on the connection instead
of reverting to DAO to RunSQL?  Does that make a difference?  I would expect
the Open statement to need an adCmdText if you are passing in a SQL string
rather than a table name.  And is the table local or linked?

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk] 
Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 9:32 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] ADO - 424 error


Hi all

I am getting a 424 error (object required) at the line in the code below
which opens an ADO recordset:

    Dim cnn As New ADODB.Connection
    Dim rs_ReqList As ADODB.Recordset 'temp requests list for filtering
rs_Req
    Dim strSQL As String

    Set cnn = CurrentProject.Connection
    Set rs_ReqList = New ADODB.Recordset

    DoCmd.RunSQL "DELETE FROM tblTemp_AddDelegates"

    strSQL = "SELECT * from tblTemp_AddDelegates"
    rsReqList.Open strSQL, cnn, adOpenDynamic, adLockOptimistic, adCmdTable


In my experience, a 424 error is usually associated with a missing
reference, however my ADO reference is fine and I can open other recordsets.

It fails the same way if I pass the table name in instead of using a SQL
string.

I have identical code running in another database (different table
obviously) that works fine, and the fact that the table is empty shouldn't
cause a problem...

Anyone got any ideas? It looks so simple I can't believe it's not working 
/em bangs head on table

TIA

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From roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk  Tue Aug  9 03:18:40 2005
From: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk (Roz Clarke)
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 09:18:40 +0100 
Subject: [AccessD] ADO - 424 error
Message-ID: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C8318807225E51@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>

You star

I knew it had to be something simple :/

I will blame my stupidity on the flu - thank you, and thanks to Charlotte
and Gustav for your attempts to help also.

Roz

-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Hartland (ISHARP) [mailto:paul.hartland at isharp.co.uk] 
Sent: 09 August 2005 07:54
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] ADO - 424 error


Should there be an _ in the rs variable

Dim rs_ReqList As ADODB.Recordset 'temp requests list for filtering rs_Req
rsReqList.Open strSQL, cnn, adOpenDynamic, adLockOptimistic, adCmdTable 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: 08 August 2005 18:01
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] ADO - 424 error

Hi Roz

Try this:

  rsReqList.Open strSQL, cnn, adOpenKeyset, adLockOptimistic

or

  rsReqList.Open "tblTemp_AddDelegates", cnn, adOpenKeyset,
adLockOptimistic, adCmdTable

And, as Charlotte suggests, use .Execute ...

/gustav


>>> roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk 08/08 6:31 pm >>>
Hi all

I am getting a 424 error (object required) at the line in the code below
which opens an ADO recordset:

    Dim cnn As New ADODB.Connection
    Dim rs_ReqList As ADODB.Recordset 'temp requests list for filtering
rs_Req
    Dim strSQL As String

    Set cnn = CurrentProject.Connection
    Set rs_ReqList = New ADODB.Recordset

    DoCmd.RunSQL "DELETE FROM tblTemp_AddDelegates"

    strSQL = "SELECT * from tblTemp_AddDelegates"
    rsReqList.Open strSQL, cnn, adOpenDynamic, adLockOptimistic, adCmdTable


In my experience, a 424 error is usually associated with a missing
reference, however my ADO reference is fine and I can open other recordsets.

It fails the same way if I pass the table name in instead of using a SQL
string.

I have identical code running in another database (different table
obviously) that works fine, and the fact that the table is empty shouldn't
cause a problem...

Anyone got any ideas? It looks so simple I can't believe it's not working
/em bangs head on table

TIA

Roz
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From roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk  Tue Aug  9 03:36:29 2005
From: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk (Roz Clarke)
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 09:36:29 +0100 
Subject: [AccessD] Discard changes in a query
Message-ID: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C8318807225E52@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>

Another stupid question from me...

I have just taken over working on a databae app, nothing scary, just a
training records database. In this database, unlike any other I am currently
using, I do not get the option to discard an unsaved query. I have to save
it with a name and then delete it. How can I set it so it just throws it
away, like my other databases do?

TIA

Roz
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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Aug  9 03:59:18 2005
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 10:59:18 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] ADO - 424 error
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Hi Paul and Roz

Nice catch Paul. And Roz, you know how to prevent this kind of errors,
right?

/gustav

>>> roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk 08/09 10:18 am >>>
You star

I knew it had to be something simple :/

I will blame my stupidity on the flu - thank you, and thanks to
Charlotte
and Gustav for your attempts to help also.

Roz

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Sent: 09 August 2005 07:54
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Subject: RE: [AccessD] ADO - 424 error


Should there be an _ in the rs variable



From roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk  Tue Aug  9 04:15:10 2005
From: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk (Roz Clarke)
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 10:15:10 +0100 
Subject: [AccessD] ADO - 424 error
Message-ID: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C8318807225E54@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>

yeh yeh, Option Explicit

/em sheepish grin

I'm just tweaking someone else's application and I guess I've gone in with
both eyes closed.

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From: Gustav Brock [mailto:Gustav at cactus.dk] 
Sent: 09 August 2005 09:59
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] ADO - 424 error


Hi Paul and Roz

Nice catch Paul. And Roz, you know how to prevent this kind of errors,
right?

/gustav

>>> roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk 08/09 10:18 am >>>
You star

I knew it had to be something simple :/

I will blame my stupidity on the flu - thank you, and thanks to Charlotte
and Gustav for your attempts to help also.

Roz

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Subject: RE: [AccessD] ADO - 424 error


Should there be an _ in the rs variable

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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Tue Aug  9 04:15:32 2005
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Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 10:15:32 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Discard changes in a query
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Hi Roz
It sounds like DoCmd.SetWarnings has been left False. Just execute a
DoCmd.SetWarnings True in the Immediate window and see if that cures it. If
it does, and the problem cmes back, then some code somewhere is setting it
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Date: 09/08/05 08:36

Another stupid question from me...

I have just taken over working on a databae app, nothing scary, just a
training records database. In this database, unlike any other I am currently
using, I do not get the option to discard an unsaved query. I have to save
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TIA

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From roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk  Tue Aug  9 04:20:56 2005
From: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk (Roz Clarke)
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 10:20:56 +0100 
Subject: [AccessD] Discard changes in a query
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Cheers Andy

Remind me never to take over someone else's work, I keep falling over these
weird little issues :/

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Sent: 09 August 2005 10:16
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Subject: Re: [AccessD] Discard changes in a query


Hi Roz
It sounds like DoCmd.SetWarnings has been left False. Just execute a
DoCmd.SetWarnings True in the Immediate window and see if that cures it. If
it does, and the problem cmes back, then some code somewhere is setting it
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Subject: [AccessD] Discard changes in a query
Date: 09/08/05 08:36

Another stupid question from me...

I have just taken over working on a databae app, nothing scary, just a
training records database. In this database, unlike any other I am currently
using, I do not get the option to discard an unsaved query. I have to save
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TIA

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From jimdettman at earthlink.net  Tue Aug  9 06:09:57 2005
From: jimdettman at earthlink.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 07:09:57 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Clear Debug Window Programmatically
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Arthur,

1. Write a autokey marco to do:

Ctrl/G
Crtl/A
{del}

2. Write a autokey macro to do:
Ctrl/G
Ctrl+Home
Shift+Ctrl+End
{del}

3. Call a procedure:

Sub ClearImmediateWindow()
  'Make sure that the Immediate window is visible
  Application.VBE.Windows("Immediate").Visible = True
  
  'Activate the Immediate window
  Application.VBE.Windows("Immediate").SetFocus
  
  'Send keystrokes to clear the Immediate window
  SendKeys "^{HOME}^+{END}{DEL}"
End Sub

Jim.


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Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 6:17 PM
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Subject: [AccessD] Clear Debug Window Programmatically


Is there a way to clear the debug window programmatically?

TIA,
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From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com  Tue Aug  9 08:12:43 2005
From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 09:12:43 -0400 
Subject: [AccessD] Clear Debug Window Programmatically
Message-ID: <1D7828CDB8350747AFE9D69E0E90DA1F1425506B@xlivmbx21.aig.com>

Or...

Sub clearDebug()
Dim n As Long
For n = 1 To 200
    Debug.Print
Next
End Sub

It works a treat, in the blink of an eye - because the Immediate window only
every displays 199 lines, max. No need for the dreaded SendKeys either.

Lambert

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Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 7:10 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Clear Debug Window Programmatically


Arthur,

1. Write a autokey marco to do:

Ctrl/G
Crtl/A
{del}

2. Write a autokey macro to do:
Ctrl/G
Ctrl+Home
Shift+Ctrl+End
{del}

3. Call a procedure:

Sub ClearImmediateWindow()
  'Make sure that the Immediate window is visible
  Application.VBE.Windows("Immediate").Visible = True
  
  'Activate the Immediate window
  Application.VBE.Windows("Immediate").SetFocus
  
  'Send keystrokes to clear the Immediate window
  SendKeys "^{HOME}^+{END}{DEL}"
End Sub

Jim.


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Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 6:17 PM
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Subject: [AccessD] Clear Debug Window Programmatically


Is there a way to clear the debug window programmatically?

TIA,
Arthur

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From jimdettman at earthlink.net  Tue Aug  9 08:29:59 2005
From: jimdettman at earthlink.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 09:29:59 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Clear Debug Window Programmatically
In-Reply-To: <1D7828CDB8350747AFE9D69E0E90DA1F1425506B@xlivmbx21.aig.com>
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Lambert,

  Yes, that would work too, but if the size of the debug window ever changed
it would fail.  The other methods would not.  Moot point I know as it
probably never will change<g>

  That method too would work in all cases where the first method I gave
would fail on some international versions (the second method always works
though).

Jim.

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Lambert
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 9:13 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Clear Debug Window Programmatically


Or...

Sub clearDebug()
Dim n As Long
For n = 1 To 200
    Debug.Print
Next
End Sub

It works a treat, in the blink of an eye - because the Immediate window only
every displays 199 lines, max. No need for the dreaded SendKeys either.

Lambert

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 7:10 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Clear Debug Window Programmatically


Arthur,

1. Write a autokey marco to do:

Ctrl/G
Crtl/A
{del}

2. Write a autokey macro to do:
Ctrl/G
Ctrl+Home
Shift+Ctrl+End
{del}

3. Call a procedure:

Sub ClearImmediateWindow()
  'Make sure that the Immediate window is visible
  Application.VBE.Windows("Immediate").Visible = True

  'Activate the Immediate window
  Application.VBE.Windows("Immediate").SetFocus

  'Send keystrokes to clear the Immediate window
  SendKeys "^{HOME}^+{END}{DEL}"
End Sub

Jim.


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Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 6:17 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Clear Debug Window Programmatically


Is there a way to clear the debug window programmatically?

TIA,
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From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com  Tue Aug  9 08:38:59 2005
From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 09:38:59 -0400 
Subject: [AccessD] Clear Debug Window Programmatically
Message-ID: <1D7828CDB8350747AFE9D69E0E90DA1F1425508A@xlivmbx21.aig.com>

Totally agree Jim.  My only addition to the discussion would be that I doubt
if a routine to clear the debug window is going to be "mission critical" for
an application. It sounds like a developers wish-list item.

Lambert

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 9:30 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Clear Debug Window Programmatically


Lambert,

  Yes, that would work too, but if the size of the debug window ever changed
it would fail.  The other methods would not.  Moot point I know as it
probably never will change<g>

  That method too would work in all cases where the first method I gave
would fail on some international versions (the second method always works
though).

Jim.

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Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 9:13 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Clear Debug Window Programmatically


Or...

Sub clearDebug()
Dim n As Long
For n = 1 To 200
    Debug.Print
Next
End Sub

It works a treat, in the blink of an eye - because the Immediate window only
every displays 199 lines, max. No need for the dreaded SendKeys either.

Lambert

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 7:10 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Clear Debug Window Programmatically


Arthur,

1. Write a autokey marco to do:

Ctrl/G
Crtl/A
{del}

2. Write a autokey macro to do:
Ctrl/G
Ctrl+Home
Shift+Ctrl+End
{del}

3. Call a procedure:

Sub ClearImmediateWindow()
  'Make sure that the Immediate window is visible
  Application.VBE.Windows("Immediate").Visible = True

  'Activate the Immediate window
  Application.VBE.Windows("Immediate").SetFocus

  'Send keystrokes to clear the Immediate window
  SendKeys "^{HOME}^+{END}{DEL}"
End Sub

Jim.


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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 6:17 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Clear Debug Window Programmatically


Is there a way to clear the debug window programmatically?

TIA,
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From Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com  Tue Aug  9 08:44:24 2005
From: Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com (Hale, Jim)
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 08:44:24 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] Adding pdf creation capabilities to distributed run
	times.
Message-ID: <6A6AA9DF57E4F046BDA1E273BDDB6772337762@corp-es01.fleetpride.com>

If you have a need to switch from portrait to landscape within a document
test this out to see if it works with your chosen writer. I have had
problems with this in the past with various pdf writers.
Jim

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From: Doug Murphy [mailto:dw-murphy at cox.net]
Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 6:07 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Adding pdf creation capabilities to distributed
runtimes.


Folks,

I know there has been a lot of discussion about the various pdf print
drivers that can be integrated with Access to output reports in pdf format.
I am interested in what any of you has experienced with using the CutePDF
SDK with an Access runtime.  We distribute a product as a runtime.  The
installation is built with Wise using the Sagekey scripts for Access 2002.
We have had good luck with this so far, but I would like to add a print to
pdf capability to the product.  The CutePDF SDK with unlimited distribution
as part of a product is interesting since the price is about one fifth of
other, similar products.  Do any of you know of shortcomings or problems
with using this product with runtime applications?

Thanks in advance for sharing your experiences.

Doug

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From paul.hartland at fsmail.net  Tue Aug  9 08:47:36 2005
From: paul.hartland at fsmail.net (paul.hartland at fsmail.net)
Date: Tue,  9 Aug 2005 15:47:36 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [AccessD] Slightly OT - Reports Slow To Open VB6 SQL Server
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To all,
I have a VB application that over the last two days the majority of users have encountered dramatic page file size increases when opening a report, I use the same application and mine hardly moves....
Has anyone come across a similar problem to this, in the past and got any possible solutions...
Many thanks in advance for any help on this

Paul Hartland

From prosoft6 at hotmail.com  Tue Aug  9 10:04:37 2005
From: prosoft6 at hotmail.com (Julie Reardon-Taylor)
Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 11:04:37 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Adding pdf creation capabilities to distributed
	runtimes.
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We used deskpdf25. I'll send the link if you are interested.



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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue Aug  9 10:38:58 2005
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 08:38:58 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Clear Debug Window Programmatically
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86873B95@infoserver01.infostat.local>

On further thought, what's wrong with right-clicking the immediate
window and selecting Clear? 

Charlotte Foust


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From: Arthur Fuller [mailto:artful at rogers.com] 
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Subject: [AccessD] Clear Debug Window Programmatically


Is there a way to clear the debug window programmatically?

TIA,
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From tom.bolton at donnslaw.co.uk  Tue Aug  9 10:44:31 2005
From: tom.bolton at donnslaw.co.uk (Tom Bolton)
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 16:44:31 +0100 
Subject: [AccessD] Clear Debug Window Programmatically
Message-ID: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C831880802A2B7@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>

Absolutely nothing, now I know I can!!  Brilliant.

The things you learn  :-)

Tom



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Sent: 09-Aug-2005 16:39
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Clear Debug Window Programmatically

On further thought, what's wrong with right-clicking the immediate
window and selecting Clear? 

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
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Is there a way to clear the debug window programmatically?

TIA,
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From Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org  Tue Aug  9 10:48:19 2005
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Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 11:48:19 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Clear Debug Window Programmatically
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Could be a problem if you're using A97 though!!

Jim DeMarco

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Absolutely nothing, now I know I can!!  Brilliant.

The things you learn  :-)

Tom



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To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Clear Debug Window Programmatically

On further thought, what's wrong with right-clicking the immediate
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Charlotte Foust


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Is there a way to clear the debug window programmatically?

TIA,
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Aug  9 10:51:25 2005
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 11:51:25 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Clear Debug Window Programmatically
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LOL. the things we've never tried before.  I must say I never did that
either.

Thanks Charlotte.

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Absolutely nothing, now I know I can!!  Brilliant.

The things you learn  :-)

Tom



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Sent: 09-Aug-2005 16:39
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Subject: RE: [AccessD] Clear Debug Window Programmatically

On further thought, what's wrong with right-clicking the immediate window
and selecting Clear? 

Charlotte Foust


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Is there a way to clear the debug window programmatically?

TIA,
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue Aug  9 10:56:50 2005
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 08:56:50 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Clear Debug Window Programmatically
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True, but in that case, you have bigger problems! LOL

Charlotte Foust


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Could be a problem if you're using A97 though!!

Jim DeMarco

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Subject: RE: [AccessD] Clear Debug Window Programmatically


Absolutely nothing, now I know I can!!  Brilliant.

The things you learn  :-)

Tom



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Subject: RE: [AccessD] Clear Debug Window Programmatically

On further thought, what's wrong with right-clicking the immediate
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Charlotte Foust


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Is there a way to clear the debug window programmatically?

TIA,
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From artful at rogers.com  Tue Aug  9 10:59:39 2005
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 11:59:39 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Clear Debug Window Programmatically
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All the ostensible gurus gather around Charlotte and genuflect -- me most of
all. I never thought of that either.

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Subject: RE: [AccessD] Clear Debug Window Programmatically

LOL. the things we've never tried before.  I must say I never did that
either.

Thanks Charlotte.

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Subject: RE: [AccessD] Clear Debug Window Programmatically


Absolutely nothing, now I know I can!!  Brilliant.

The things you learn  :-)

Tom



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From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com] 
Sent: 09-Aug-2005 16:39
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Clear Debug Window Programmatically

On further thought, what's wrong with right-clicking the immediate window
and selecting Clear? 

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Arthur Fuller [mailto:artful at rogers.com] 
Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 3:17 PM
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Subject: [AccessD] Clear Debug Window Programmatically


Is there a way to clear the debug window programmatically?

TIA,
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From Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org  Tue Aug  9 11:30:10 2005
From: Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 12:30:10 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Clear Debug Window Programmatically
Message-ID: <08F823FD83787D4BA0B99CA580AD3C74016C3C6C@TTNEXCHCL2.hshhp.com>

I knew that was coming ;-)

Jim D.

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True, but in that case, you have bigger problems! LOL

Charlotte Foust


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Subject: RE: [AccessD] Clear Debug Window Programmatically


Could be a problem if you're using A97 though!!

Jim DeMarco

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Absolutely nothing, now I know I can!!  Brilliant.

The things you learn  :-)

Tom



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Sent: 09-Aug-2005 16:39
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Subject: RE: [AccessD] Clear Debug Window Programmatically

On further thought, what's wrong with right-clicking the immediate
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Charlotte Foust


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Is there a way to clear the debug window programmatically?

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue Aug  9 11:37:39 2005
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 09:37:39 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Clear Debug Window Programmatically
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86873B97@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Now, Arthur, there's no need to genuflect.  Just lighting a few candles,
burning some incense, that sort of thing will suffice. <VBG>

Charlotte Foust


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Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 9:00 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Clear Debug Window Programmatically


All the ostensible gurus gather around Charlotte and genuflect -- me
most of all. I never thought of that either.


From ssharkins at bellsouth.net  Tue Aug  9 14:04:43 2005
From: ssharkins at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 15:04:43 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Conversion to adp
Message-ID: <20050809190444.ZWLD25678.ibm61aec.bellsouth.net@SUSANONE>

I'm wondering what you guys would charge to convert an mdb file to an adp?
No code upgrade, just the objects? How would you determine what to charge --
I'm sure you'd have to see the mdb first -- but what would you be looking
for? 
 
Susan H. 


From BarbaraRyan at cox.net  Tue Aug  9 14:20:20 2005
From: BarbaraRyan at cox.net (Barbara Ryan)
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 15:20:20 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Query difference between Access 97 and 2002
Message-ID: <006401c59d17$629ea560$0a00a8c0@cx470148a>

I have converted an Access 97 application to Access 2002 (XP).  A query that works in 97 will no longer work in XP.  The  field in the query causing the problem is referencing an unbound text box on an open form, i.e., the field name in the query is "PeriodEndDate:[Forms]![frmPerDiemEntry]![txtPeriodEndDate]".  When I execute the query in 97, I see the contents of txtPeriodEndDate; however, in XP, it is blank/null.

Any ideas?

Thanks,
Barb Ryan

From jimdettman at earthlink.net  Tue Aug  9 14:21:16 2005
From: jimdettman at earthlink.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 15:21:16 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Query difference between Access 97 and 2002
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Barb,

  Make sure you explicitly type (text, date, integer) the data expected in
the control (in query design, goto query/parameters).

Jim.

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Subject: [AccessD] Query difference between Access 97 and 2002


I have converted an Access 97 application to Access 2002 (XP).  A query that
works in 97 will no longer work in XP.  The  field in the query causing the
problem is referencing an unbound text box on an open form, i.e., the field
name in the query is
"PeriodEndDate:[Forms]![frmPerDiemEntry]![txtPeriodEndDate]".  When I
execute the query in 97, I see the contents of txtPeriodEndDate; however, in
XP, it is blank/null.

Any ideas?

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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Tue Aug  9 15:12:12 2005
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 06:12:12 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Clear Debug Window Programmatically
In-Reply-To: <200508091559.j79FxjR05200@databaseadvisors.com>
References: <005c01c59cfa$360743d0$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <42F99ABC.23040.326CC562@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

On 9 Aug 2005 at 11:59, Arthur Fuller wrote:

> All the ostensible gurus gather around Charlotte and genuflect -- me most of
> all. I never thought of that either.
> 
.....
> 
> On further thought, what's wrong with right-clicking the immediate window
> and selecting Clear? 
> 
> Charlotte Foust
> 

Two things:

1. It's only works in XP and above.
2. It is not programmatic, which was what was asked for. 



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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue Aug  9 15:32:06 2005
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 13:32:06 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Query difference between Access 97 and 2002
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86873B98@infoserver01.infostat.local>

In addition to Jin's suggestion, check the query parameter for that
reference and make sure all the square brackets are in the right places.
In 97 you could leave them out entirely or put them around a single
element of the reference.  In 2000 and later, the query engine will
insert a pair of square brackets around the entire reference if any of
the brackets around the individual elements were skipped.  I've run into
this repeatedly.

Charlotte Foust


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Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 12:21 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Query difference between Access 97 and 2002


Barb,

  Make sure you explicitly type (text, date, integer) the data expected
in the control (in query design, goto query/parameters).

Jim.

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Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 3:20 PM
To: Access List
Subject: [AccessD] Query difference between Access 97 and 2002


I have converted an Access 97 application to Access 2002 (XP).  A query
that works in 97 will no longer work in XP.  The  field in the query
causing the problem is referencing an unbound text box on an open form,
i.e., the field name in the query is
"PeriodEndDate:[Forms]![frmPerDiemEntry]![txtPeriodEndDate]".  When I
execute the query in 97, I see the contents of txtPeriodEndDate;
however, in XP, it is blank/null.

Any ideas?

Thanks,
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue Aug  9 15:34:34 2005
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 13:34:34 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Clear Debug Window Programmatically
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86873B99@infoserver01.infostat.local>

I realize that you asked for a programmatic method.  However, since the
debug window is only available in the VBE, I didn't see any purpose in a
programmatic method ... In XP and above, of course. <g>  You didn't
indicate the version or WHY you needed it, so it's your own fault if we
wandered off in another direction! LOL

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 1:12 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Clear Debug Window Programmatically


On 9 Aug 2005 at 11:59, Arthur Fuller wrote:

> All the ostensible gurus gather around Charlotte and genuflect -- me 
> most of all. I never thought of that either.
> 
.....
> 
> On further thought, what's wrong with right-clicking the immediate 
> window and selecting Clear?
> 
> Charlotte Foust
> 

Two things:

1. It's only works in XP and above.
2. It is not programmatic, which was what was asked for. 



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From BarbaraRyan at cox.net  Tue Aug  9 15:39:30 2005
From: BarbaraRyan at cox.net (Barbara Ryan)
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 16:39:30 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Query difference between Access 97 and 2002
References: <NDEALJOEGMMPCDKIFGNFKELHEIAA.jimdettman@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <007701c59d22$71aded80$0a00a8c0@cx470148a>

Thanks, Jim.... That was part of my problem.  The query is still not working
in Access 2002 --- it's an append query to a table in another database.  I
need to investigate some more!  .....Thanks, Barb



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> Barb,
>
>   Make sure you explicitly type (text, date, integer) the data expected in
> the control (in query design, goto query/parameters).
>
> Jim.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Barbara Ryan
> Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 3:20 PM
> To: Access List
> Subject: [AccessD] Query difference between Access 97 and 2002
>
>
> I have converted an Access 97 application to Access 2002 (XP).  A query
that
> works in 97 will no longer work in XP.  The  field in the query causing
the
> problem is referencing an unbound text box on an open form, i.e., the
field
> name in the query is
> "PeriodEndDate:[Forms]![frmPerDiemEntry]![txtPeriodEndDate]".  When I
> execute the query in 97, I see the contents of txtPeriodEndDate; however,
in
> XP, it is blank/null.
>
> Any ideas?
>
> Thanks,
> Barb Ryan
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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Tue Aug  9 16:10:57 2005
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 14:10:57 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Conversion to adp
References: <20050809190444.ZWLD25678.ibm61aec.bellsouth.net@SUSANONE>
Message-ID: <42F91BE1.7070308@shaw.ca>

These guys will give you a quote roughly 5 days under $10,000.
for mdb to adp conversion. I'll bet they use data modeling reverse 
engineering tools.

http://www.upsizewizard.com/

They also give a long list of considerations to look at  re conversion 
mdb to adp
and links to MS upsizing wizard white paper.

http://www.upsizewizard.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=browse&id=5036&pageid=22

You may want to consider keeping the mdb format and hooking to sql 
server via ado or dao.
rather than doing an adp conversion. But a lot of the above 
considerations apply.


One reason being SQL Express the new version of MSDE or SQL Server 2005
wont hook to ADP's unless they are installed in crippled SQL 2000 
compatibilty mode.

"You will not be able to use any of the designers with SQLS 2005
 databases, whether it's SQL Express or the Developer edition. IOW, you
 won't be able to create databases, tables, views or any other database
 objects from an ADP. The only support that is envisioned is that you
 will be able to connect an Access front-end to a SQLS 2005 back end if
 it is running in SQLS 2000 compatibility mode, so your forms, reports
 and other local Access objects should still run.

FAQ: How to connect to SQL Express from "downlevel clients"(Access 2003, 
VS 2003, VB 6, etc
http://blogs.msdn.com/sqlexpress/archive/2004/07/23/192044.aspx



Susan Harkins wrote:

>I'm wondering what you guys would charge to convert an mdb file to an adp?
>No code upgrade, just the objects? How would you determine what to charge --
>I'm sure you'd have to see the mdb first -- but what would you be looking
>for? 
> 
>Susan H. 
>  
>

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From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com  Tue Aug  9 16:13:50 2005
From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester)
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 16:13:50 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Query asks for input - why?
Message-ID: <F1DD538AE6BCE74EBE562DE51564D322F33976@houexch1.kindermorgan.com>

This query is asking for input of [qry Pattern WAG
Scheme]![Cum_Toti_hcpv] yet this query when I run it by itself does not.
Maybe a query syntax error but I don't see it.

 

SELECT [tbl Actual Injectivities Daily].Pattern, [tbl Actual
Injectivities Daily].Date, [tbl Actual Injectivities Daily].[TotI
(%HCPV/Yr)], 

(Select Fluid from [tbl Wag] where [qry Pattern WAG
Scheme]![Cum_Toti_hcpv] =

(Select  Max (Cum_Toti_hcpv) from [qry Pattern WAG Scheme] where [qry
Pattern WAG Scheme]![Cum_Toti_hcpv] <= [tbl Actual Injectivities
Daily]![TotI (%HCPV/Yr)] )) AS FluidType

FROM [tbl Actual Injectivities Daily];

 

 

Chester Kaup

Engineering Technician

Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP

Office (432) 688-3797

FAX (432) 688-3799

 

 

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From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com  Tue Aug  9 16:23:51 2005
From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester)
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 16:23:51 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Query asks for input - why?
Message-ID: <F1DD538AE6BCE74EBE562DE51564D322F33978@houexch1.kindermorgan.com>

I found the problem. A wrong table name. Thanks to anyone who looked.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 4:14 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Query asks for input - why?

This query is asking for input of [qry Pattern WAG
Scheme]![Cum_Toti_hcpv] yet this query when I run it by itself does not.
Maybe a query syntax error but I don't see it.

 

SELECT [tbl Actual Injectivities Daily].Pattern, [tbl Actual
Injectivities Daily].Date, [tbl Actual Injectivities Daily].[TotI
(%HCPV/Yr)], 

(Select Fluid from [tbl Wag] where [qry Pattern WAG
Scheme]![Cum_Toti_hcpv] =

(Select  Max (Cum_Toti_hcpv) from [qry Pattern WAG Scheme] where [qry
Pattern WAG Scheme]![Cum_Toti_hcpv] <= [tbl Actual Injectivities
Daily]![TotI (%HCPV/Yr)] )) AS FluidType

FROM [tbl Actual Injectivities Daily];

 

 

Chester Kaup

Engineering Technician

Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP

Office (432) 688-3797

FAX (432) 688-3799

 

 

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From artful at rogers.com  Tue Aug  9 19:23:24 2005
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 20:23:24 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Conversion to adp
In-Reply-To: <20050809190444.ZWLD25678.ibm61aec.bellsouth.net@SUSANONE>
Message-ID: <200508100023.j7A0NPR13719@databaseadvisors.com>

LOTS.


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: August 9, 2005 3:05 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Conversion to adp

I'm wondering what you guys would charge to convert an mdb file to an adp?
No code upgrade, just the objects? How would you determine what to charge --
I'm sure you'd have to see the mdb first -- but what would you be looking
for? 
 
Susan H. 
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From D.Dick at uws.edu.au  Tue Aug  9 20:52:41 2005
From: D.Dick at uws.edu.au (Darren Dick)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 11:52:41 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] RE: Discard changes in a query
Message-ID: <2FDE83AF1A69C84796CBD13788DDA883703099@BONHAM.AD.UWS.EDU.AU>

Hi Roz
In addition to Andy's statement.
I have been burned in the past by the Docmd.Setwarning false statement
too.
(Actually it's my bad coding :-)) I've been burned by not the actual
statement <vbg>)

Especially if your code fails (goes to the error handler) after running
that line But before running the line that turns it back on

I am in the habit of putting
Docmd.setwarnings true at the Head of every error handler that has the
Docmd.setwarning false statement somewhere in its preceding module Just
in case I get a redirect to the Error Handler before I can 'turn it back
on'

Hope this helps

See ya

Darren

PS Andy - I Can't wait for Thursday - Brett Lee or Not - McGrath or not
Bring it on

See ya

DD



 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Roz Clarke
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 7:21 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Discard changes in a query

Cheers Andy

Remind me never to take over someone else's work, I keep falling over
these weird little issues :/

-----Original Message-----
From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk]
Sent: 09 August 2005 10:16
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Discard changes in a query


Hi Roz
It sounds like DoCmd.SetWarnings has been left False. Just execute a
DoCmd.SetWarnings True in the Immediate window and see if that cures it.
If it does, and the problem cmes back, then some code somewhere is
setting it False and not back to True again.

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To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
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Subject: [AccessD] Discard changes in a query
Date: 09/08/05 08:36

Another stupid question from me...

I have just taken over working on a databae app, nothing scary, just a
training records database. In this database, unlike any other I am
currently using, I do not get the option to discard an unsaved query. I
have to save it with a name and then delete it. How can I set it so it
just throws it away, like my other databases do?

TIA

Roz







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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed Aug 10 11:21:31 2005
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 09:21:31 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Where is everyone?
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86873B9F@infoserver01.infostat.local>

I haven't seen a message since yesterday afternoon.

Charlotte Foust
Infostat Systems, Inc.


From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Wed Aug 10 11:30:51 2005
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 17:30:51 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Where is everyone?
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86873B9F@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <000c01c59dc8$df980870$2c1f0c54@minster33c3r25>

Well you have now :-)

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> Sent: 10 August 2005 17:22
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> I haven't seen a message since yesterday afternoon.
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From tom.bolton at donnslaw.co.uk  Wed Aug 10 11:33:58 2005
From: tom.bolton at donnslaw.co.uk (Tom Bolton)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 17:33:58 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Where is everyone?
Message-ID: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C831880802A2BE@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>

Me neither, I'm sat in an empty office with an empty AccessD folder

Marie Celeste springs to mind  :-)


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Subject: [AccessD] Where is everyone?

I haven't seen a message since yesterday afternoon.

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Aug 10 11:35:57 2005
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 12:35:57 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Where is everyone?
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Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 12:22 PM
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I haven't seen a message since yesterday afternoon.

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From papparuff at comcast.net  Wed Aug 10 11:48:42 2005
From: papparuff at comcast.net (John Ruff)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 09:48:42 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Where is everyone?
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86873B9F@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <200508101648.j7AGmnR24450@databaseadvisors.com>

We're waiting for you to provide us with some new insights and tells us
something new and exciting. 


John V. Ruff - The Eternal Optimist :-) 

"Commit to the Lord whatever you do, 
                and your plans will succeed." Proverbs 16:3 


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Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 9:22 AM
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I haven't seen a message since yesterday afternoon.

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From djkr at msn.com  Wed Aug 10 11:53:20 2005
From: djkr at msn.com (DJK(John) Robinson)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 17:53:20 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Where is everyone?
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86873B9F@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <BAY106-DAV18BA4EFA94E44F8B65CC8BD2BA0@phx.gbl>

Up ladders cutting hedges while printer-repairman does his stuff (more than
three hours)!

All in a short gap between returning from Italy and getting back to contract
work tomorrow morning (groan) - an Access nightmare / disaster area like
you've never seen before, trust me!  Hence not enough time to read AccessD
often enough to respond usefully, at least until November.  Hey ho.

John


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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed Aug 10 12:04:09 2005
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 10:04:09 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Where is everyone?
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86873BA0@infoserver01.infostat.local>

ROTFL 
It's because of clearing the immediate window from yesterday, right?

Charlotte Foust


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Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 9:36 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Where is everyone?


No one wants to talk to you.  ;-)

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I haven't seen a message since yesterday afternoon.

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From john at winhaven.net  Wed Aug 10 12:06:34 2005
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 12:06:34 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Where is everyone?
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86873B9F@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <200508101706.j7AH6aTg192542@pimout1-ext.prodigy.net>

Had this come through while I was away:

The Access Unlimited Newsletter - Edition 58

GOOD READING 

Tony Jacoby from Solutions On Hand in Sydney says 

"Have you ever come across Be-Up the Backend Updater from Database Advisors?
It's free and it's also "open source" and the developers are pretty helpful
with support and enhancements.  If you haven't already seen it, go to" 

http://www.databaseadvisors.com/downloads.htm.

Hey, we get press coverage!
:o)

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 11:22 AM
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Subject: [AccessD] Where is everyone?

I haven't seen a message since yesterday afternoon.

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From Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com  Wed Aug 10 13:23:55 2005
From: Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com (Hale, Jim)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 13:23:55 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Where is everyone?
Message-ID: <6A6AA9DF57E4F046BDA1E273BDDB677233776F@corp-es01.fleetpride.com>

Nah, we're still genuflecting in reverent silence. You forgot to say "rise"
:-)
Jim Hale

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Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 12:04 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Where is everyone?


ROTFL 
It's because of clearing the immediate window from yesterday, right?

Charlotte Foust


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Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 9:36 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Where is everyone?


No one wants to talk to you.  ;-)

John W. Colby
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Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 12:22 PM
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I haven't seen a message since yesterday afternoon.

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From lembit.soobik at t-online.de  Wed Aug 10 13:59:27 2005
From: lembit.soobik at t-online.de (Lembit Soobik)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 20:59:27 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Where is everyone?
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we need to ask for some donations from them :)
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> Had this come through while I was away:
>
> The Access Unlimited Newsletter - Edition 58
>
> GOOD READING
>
> Tony Jacoby from Solutions On Hand in Sydney says
>
> "Have you ever come across Be-Up the Backend Updater from Database 
> Advisors?
> It's free and it's also "open source" and the developers are pretty 
> helpful
> with support and enhancements.  If you haven't already seen it, go to"
>
> http://www.databaseadvisors.com/downloads.htm.
>
> Hey, we get press coverage!
> :o)
>
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From mmattys at rochester.rr.com  Wed Aug 10 14:21:40 2005
From: mmattys at rochester.rr.com (Michael R Mattys)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 15:21:40 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Where is everyone?
References: <200508101706.j7AH6aTg192542@pimout1-ext.prodigy.net>
Message-ID: <017701c59de0$bdde8840$0302a8c0@default>

I was going through my old email and found a couple
on my trip down Memory Lane:


From: David Scott [mailto:davidscott at mtgroup.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2000 11:56 AM
To: Christopher Hawkins
Subject: RE: Help! My posts are getting bounced!

I only pop in on the list maybe once every month or two to see what's going
on. Today I signed on and received a mailbox full of some of the most
ridiculous posts I've ever seen. People lobbing insults at each other,
flames, etc.

I have a very limited amount of bandwidth, and accessd takes most of it.
I'll be darned if I'm going to take bandwidth away from my customers who
need it to support this kind of list traffic.

As of today, accessd is dead. I may bring it back up later, depending on the
response I get. When (if) I do, the people who were active members this
morning will be back on then.

I don't want to come across to you too harsh - personally you may have not
contributed to this incident at all, but I'm pretty miffed at the whole
thing.

Dave

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From greggs at msn.com  Wed Aug 10 14:32:30 2005
From: greggs at msn.com (Gregg)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 14:32:30 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Memo field parsing
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8689A72A@infoserver01.infostat.local>
	<BAY103-DAV9BF45769C396DC8C04B05C6C50@phx.gbl>
	<007f01c5992e$f3bca8e0$ce1865cb@winxp>
Message-ID: <BAY103-DAV80B80606835F7D8B45568C6BA0@phx.gbl>

Worked like a charm A.D.  thanks again!
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: A.D.Tejpal<mailto:adtp at touchtelindia.net> 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving<mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com> 
  Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 2:57 PM
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Memo field parsing


  Gregg,

      For sake of demonstration, let the source table named T_Memo consist of two fields, named ID (primary key - Autonumber) and Mem (memo type). 

      Create another table, named T_MemRef, with just one field named Ref (number type). Populate this table with just two records, with values 1 and 2 respectively. Query Q_Memo as given below, should be used as record source for your report. It involves Cartesian join between tables T_Memo and T_MemRef. 

      In detail section of your report, drag Mem and Ref from the field list, so as to create bound controls named Mem and Ref. Make these controls hidden, set their CanGrow property to "No" and position the same un-obtrusively. Insert an unbound text box named TxtMemo. This is the text box that would actually display the contents of memo field. Set the width and fonts as desired. Set the CanGrow property of this control as well as the detail section as a whole, to "Yes".

      In VBA window, put the code given below, in Detail_Format event of the report. Make sure that the item "On Format" in Event tab of properties dialog box shows [Event Procedure] against it.

      Now, when you run the report, first three lines of the memo field will get displayed on first page and the balance portion on the next page. Similar pattern would get repeated for all records.
      
  Best wishes,
  A.D.Tejpal
  --------------

  Source Query for the report (Q_Memo)
  =====================================
  SELECT T_Memo.ID, T_MemRef.Ref, T_Memo.Mem
  FROM T_Memo, T_MemRef
  ORDER BY T_Memo.ID, T_MemRef.Ref;
  =====================================

  Code in Report's Module
  =====================================
  Private Sub Detail_Format(Cancel As Integer, _
                                          FormatCount As Integer)
      Dim Wd As Long, Rw As Single, Mgn As Long
      Dim LenMem As Long, Txt As String, Lft As Long
      Dim LastSpace As Long, MaxRowsFirstPart
      Dim Mpf As Single
      
      MaxRowsFirstPart = 3
      LenMem = Len(Mem)
      If LenMem > 0 Then
      Else
          Exit Sub
      End If
      
      With Me
          ' Set the scale mode to twips
          .ScaleMode = 1
          ' Set Font values for report to match those of memo field.
          .FontName = TxtMemo.FontName
          .FontSize = TxtMemo.FontSize
          If TxtMemo.FontBold <> 0 Then
              .FontBold = True
          Else
              .FontBold = False
          End If
      End With
      
      ' Allow for necessary margin within a text box
      ' (Between its border and the content)
      Mgn = 170     ' This value may need fine tuning for
                              ' best results
      ' Get effective width of control meant for
      ' displaying memo field
      Wd = TxtMemo.Width - Mgn
      ' Get the number of characters so as to make-up the
      ' required number of rows for first part of memo field.
      For Lft = 1 To LenMem
          Txt = Left(Mem, Lft)
          LastSpace = IIf(Right(Txt, 1) = " ", Lft, LastSpace)
          Rw = TextWidth(Txt) / Wd
          If Rw > MaxRowsFirstPart Then
              Lft = Lft - 1
              Exit For
          End If
      Next
      Debug.Print Lft; ", "; LastSpace
      
      ' Get Multiplying factor for acceptable max location
      ' of last space.
      Mpf = (0.8 + (MaxRowsFirstPart - 1)) / MaxRowsFirstPart
      
      ' Shorten the first part to nearest space
      ' (if within 20 % of the end of line)
      If LastSpace > Mpf * Lft And LastSpace < Lft Then
          Lft = LastSpace
      End If
      
      ' Populate the unbound text box with appropriate
      ' part of memo field.
      If Ref = 1 Then
          TxtMemo = Left(Mem, Lft)
          ' Force New Page - Afer section, only if memo
          ' field contents not yet finished
          If LenMem > Lft Then
              Detail.ForceNewPage = 2
          Else
              Detail.ForceNewPage = 0   ' No break
          End If
      Else
          TxtMemo = Mid(Mem, Lft + 1)
          ' Force New Page - Afer section
          Detail.ForceNewPage = 2
      End If
  End Sub
  =====================================

    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Gregg 
    To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
    Cc: Robert Penn 
    Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 04:19
    Subject: Re: [AccessD] Memo field parsing


    Thanks Charlotte!  I give it a try.

      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: Charlotte Foust<mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com<mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com>> 
      To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving<mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com<mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com>> 
      Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 5:33 PM
      Subject: RE: [AccessD] Memo field parsing

      No, get the textwidth of the control and see if the textwidth of the text is greater than that.  Handle the situation where it is not and everything fits in the first control.  Otherwise get the text that fits within the control textwidth and use instrRev to find the last space in that substring.  Break it there.  

    At that point, you also know the index of the starting point for the rest of the string, so all you need to do for the next page is use the Mid(text, index) to put the rest of it into the second page.

    Charlotte Foust

      -----Original Message-----
      From: Gregg [mailto:greggs at msn.com] 
      Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 11:34 AM
      To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
      Subject: Re: [AccessD] Memo field parsing


      So, you're saying I need to loop through all the characters until I find
      the last whole word that will fit on the first line, the same for the
      second etc. until I determine what text will fit in the first page text
      field and use what's left for the 2nd page?
        ----- Original Message ----- 
        From: Charlotte Foust<mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com<mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com<mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com<mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com>>> 
        To: Access Developers discussion and problem
      solving<mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com<mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com<mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com<mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com>>> 
        Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 11:02 AM
        Subject: RE: [AccessD] Memo field parsing


        You can't do it by simply counting characters anyhow.  You have to use
        the TextWidth property, which can be expressed as
        reportname.TextWidth(stringvariable) and compare that to the textwidth
        of the control ( reportname.TextWidth(controlobject) or to the maximum
        length you want to display.  You'll also want to allow a padding
      factor
        to avoid overrunning the  borders of the control and be sure and check
        for carriage returns because they confuse the issue.

        If you want to display 3 "lines", you'll have to break the memo field
        into the first three chunks that will fit into the textwidth of the
        textbox you're using to display the text on that page.

        Charlotte Foust


        -----Original Message-----
        From: Gregg [mailto:greggs at msn.com] 
        Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 8:43 AM
        To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
        Subject: Re: [AccessD] Memo field parsing


        Charlotte

        Physical space I think because I don't know how to get from one to the
        other.  The number of characters is going to be dependant on the how
        many characters are lost to word wrapping isn't it?  Is there a way to
        calculate the number of characters that will appear in the first three
        lines?  If I knew that, I could do it.
          ----- Original Message ----- 
          From: Charlotte
      Foust<mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com<mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.co<mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com<mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.co<mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com<mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.co<mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com<mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.co>>
      m>> 
          To: Access Developers discussion and problem
       
      solving<mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com<mailto:accessd at databaseadvis<mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com<mailto:accessd at databaseadvis<mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com<mailto:accessd at databaseadvis<mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com<mailto:accessd at databaseadvis>>
      ors.com>> 
          Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 10:28 AM
          Subject: RE: [AccessD] Memo field parsing


          Define "first three lines".   Is that a particular number of
        characters
          or a physical space?

          Charlotte Foust


          -----Original Message-----
          From: Gregg [mailto:greggs at msn.com] 
          Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 7:32 AM
          To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
          Subject: [AccessD] Memo field parsing

          I would like to parse a memo field in a A97 report such that the first three lines is on the first page and whatever is left is on the next.
          Any ideas?

          Gregg Steinbrenner
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Aug 10 14:31:53 2005
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 15:31:53 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Where is everyone?
In-Reply-To: <017701c59de0$bdde8840$0302a8c0@default>
Message-ID: <00c101c59de2$296bd670$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

Ahhhh... The beginning of DatabaseAdvisors.  I remember it well.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Michael R Mattys
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 3:22 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Where is everyone?


I was going through my old email and found a couple
on my trip down Memory Lane:


From: David Scott [mailto:davidscott at mtgroup.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2000 11:56 AM
To: Christopher Hawkins
Subject: RE: Help! My posts are getting bounced!

I only pop in on the list maybe once every month or two to see what's going
on. Today I signed on and received a mailbox full of some of the most
ridiculous posts I've ever seen. People lobbing insults at each other,
flames, etc.

I have a very limited amount of bandwidth, and accessd takes most of it.
I'll be darned if I'm going to take bandwidth away from my customers who
need it to support this kind of list traffic.

As of today, accessd is dead. I may bring it back up later, depending on the
response I get. When (if) I do, the people who were active members this
morning will be back on then.

I don't want to come across to you too harsh - personally you may have not
contributed to this incident at all, but I'm pretty miffed at the whole
thing.

Dave




From mikedorism at verizon.net  Wed Aug 10 14:37:41 2005
From: mikedorism at verizon.net (Mike & Doris Manning)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 15:37:41 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Where is everyone?
In-Reply-To: <00c101c59de2$296bd670$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <001801c59de2$f9d89e60$2e01a8c0@dorismanning>

Has it really been that long?  Seems like only yesterday to me....

Doris Manning
Database Administrator
Hargrove Inc.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 3:32 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Where is everyone?

Ahhhh... The beginning of DatabaseAdvisors.  I remember it well.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Michael R Mattys
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 3:22 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Where is everyone?


I was going through my old email and found a couple
on my trip down Memory Lane:


From: David Scott [mailto:davidscott at mtgroup.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2000 11:56 AM
To: Christopher Hawkins
Subject: RE: Help! My posts are getting bounced!

I only pop in on the list maybe once every month or two to see what's going
on. Today I signed on and received a mailbox full of some of the most
ridiculous posts I've ever seen. People lobbing insults at each other,
flames, etc.

I have a very limited amount of bandwidth, and accessd takes most of it.
I'll be darned if I'm going to take bandwidth away from my customers who
need it to support this kind of list traffic.

As of today, accessd is dead. I may bring it back up later, depending on the
response I get. When (if) I do, the people who were active members this
morning will be back on then.

I don't want to come across to you too harsh - personally you may have not
contributed to this incident at all, but I'm pretty miffed at the whole
thing.

Dave


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From JRojas at tnco-inc.com  Wed Aug 10 14:55:58 2005
From: JRojas at tnco-inc.com (Joe Rojas)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 15:55:58 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2000 Charts
Message-ID: <0CC84C9461AE6445AD5A602001C41C4B05A42E@mercury.tnco-inc.com>

Hi all,

I have two problems that are driving me crazy with the charting control that
Access 2000 uses.

1) When I had a chart using the wizard, the datasheet for the chart is using
the East, West, North data that is there by default despite the fact that my
Row Source is correct. Is there a way to have the control update to reflect
"real" data?

2) I resized my chart so that it fills up most of the area on my report and
then changed the size mode to zoom. When I do this the text is monstrous
despite the fact that the font size is set to 8. Is there a way to have the
chart use the font size that is specified?

Thanks!
JR




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From greggs at msn.com  Wed Aug 10 15:29:35 2005
From: greggs at msn.com (Gregg)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 15:29:35 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Where is everyone?
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86873B9F@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <BAY103-DAV4721866C6F14CEFE1D729C6BA0@phx.gbl>

Since everyone is so lonely... I have a general question about setting up printers/networks/Access.  The client wants to print copies of Vendor Purchase Orders to multiple locations.  I have total latitude with the customer on printer setup, network setup and Access. Thus far, I have been creating a report for each printer, each having the same subreport.  I know there is code out there to help me a little with that.  The part I really hate is setting up every user with every printer and the ongoing maintenance associated with it. 

I need a magic button that prints a report to the network printers I have specified in a table and doesn't care if the printer is configured on that workstation or not.  Any ideas?????  

Gregg Steinbrenner   
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Charlotte Foust<mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com> 
  To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com<mailto:AccessD at databaseadvisors.com> 
  Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 11:21 AM
  Subject: [AccessD] Where is everyone?


  I haven't seen a message since yesterday afternoon.

  Charlotte Foust
  Infostat Systems, Inc.
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From greggs at msn.com  Wed Aug 10 15:32:03 2005
From: greggs at msn.com (Gregg)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 15:32:03 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Printing multiple copies to multiple printers.
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86873B9F@infoserver01.infostat.local>
	<BAY103-DAV4721866C6F14CEFE1D729C6BA0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BAY103-DAV1500C6F8CF1ECD8E198491C6BA0@phx.gbl>

Sorry... should have changed the subject line.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Gregg<mailto:greggs at msn.com> 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving<mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com> 
  Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 3:29 PM
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Where is everyone?


  Since everyone is so lonely... I have a general question about setting up printers/networks/Access.  The client wants to print copies of Vendor Purchase Orders to multiple locations.  I have total latitude with the customer on printer setup, network setup and Access. Thus far, I have been creating a report for each printer, each having the same subreport.  I know there is code out there to help me a little with that.  The part I really hate is setting up every user with every printer and the ongoing maintenance associated with it. 

  I need a magic button that prints a report to the network printers I have specified in a table and doesn't care if the printer is configured on that workstation or not.  Any ideas?????  

  Gregg Steinbrenner   
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Charlotte Foust<mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com<mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com>> 
    To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com<mailto:AccessD at databaseadvisors.com<mailto:AccessD at databaseadvisors.com<mailto:AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>> 
    Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 11:21 AM
    Subject: [AccessD] Where is everyone?


    I haven't seen a message since yesterday afternoon.

    Charlotte Foust
    Infostat Systems, Inc.
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From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com  Wed Aug 10 15:56:31 2005
From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 15:56:31 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OK here is some VBA for someone to ponder
Message-ID: <F1DD538AE6BCE74EBE562DE51564D322F33AD1@houexch1.kindermorgan.com>

I have the following at the start of a module:

Dim MyQDef5 as QueryDef

DIM myds7 as Recordset

Set MyQDef5 = MyDb.QueryDefs("qry Fluid Type One Pattern")

 

Later in the code I have the following:

 

Set myds7 = MyQDef5.OpenRecordset()

FluidType = myds7.Fields(3)

 

The SQL of the query "qry Fluid Type One Pattern" is as follows

 

SELECT Pattern, Date, CumTotalInj, 

(Select Fluid from [qry Pattern WAG Scheme] where [qry Pattern WAG
Scheme]![Cum_Toti_hcpv] =(Select  Max (Cum_Toti_hcpv) from [qry Pattern
WAG Scheme] where [qry Pattern WAG Scheme]![Cum_Toti_hcpv] <= [tbl Cum
Total Injection One Pattern]![CumTotalInj] )) AS FluidType

FROM [tbl Cum Total Injection One Pattern];

 

The table "tbl Cum Total Injection One Pattern" has 617 records in it
but the query only returns one record. I would expect to see 617
records.

 

 

Chester Kaup

Engineering Technician

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Office (432) 688-3797

FAX (432) 688-3799

 

 

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number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced.

 



From greggs at msn.com  Wed Aug 10 16:20:53 2005
From: greggs at msn.com (Gregg)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 16:20:53 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Printing multiple copies to multiple printers.
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86873B9F@infoserver01.infostat.local><BAY103-DAV4721866C6F14CEFE1D729C6BA0@phx.gbl>
	<BAY103-DAV1500C6F8CF1ECD8E198491C6BA0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BAY103-DAV14EAC9C284DD9C90D9472AC6BA0@phx.gbl>

Sorry again... I realize now I don't have to setup the printers.  Just chalk this post up to Friday humor.  
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Gregg<mailto:greggs at msn.com> 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving<mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com> 
  Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 3:32 PM
  Subject: [AccessD] Printing multiple copies to multiple printers.


  Sorry... should have changed the subject line.
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Gregg<mailto:greggs at msn.com<mailto:greggs at msn.com>> 
    To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving<mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com<mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com>> 
    Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 3:29 PM
    Subject: Re: [AccessD] Where is everyone?


    Since everyone is so lonely... I have a general question about setting up printers/networks/Access.  The client wants to print copies of Vendor Purchase Orders to multiple locations.  I have total latitude with the customer on printer setup, network setup and Access. Thus far, I have been creating a report for each printer, each having the same subreport.  I know there is code out there to help me a little with that.  The part I really hate is setting up every user with every printer and the ongoing maintenance associated with it. 

    I need a magic button that prints a report to the network printers I have specified in a table and doesn't care if the printer is configured on that workstation or not.  Any ideas?????  

    Gregg Steinbrenner   
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: Charlotte Foust<mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com<mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com<mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com<mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com>>> 
      To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com<mailto:AccessD at databaseadvisors.com<mailto:AccessD at databaseadvisors.com<mailto:AccessD at databaseadvisors.com<mailto:AccessD at databaseadvisors.com<mailto:AccessD at databaseadvisors.com<mailto:AccessD at databaseadvisors.com<mailto:AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>>> 
      Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 11:21 AM
      Subject: [AccessD] Where is everyone?


      I haven't seen a message since yesterday afternoon.

      Charlotte Foust
      Infostat Systems, Inc.
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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Wed Aug 10 19:20:33 2005
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 17:20:33 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2000 Charts
In-Reply-To: <19434215.1123704006325.JavaMail.root@sniper18>
Message-ID: <000001c59e0a$7e443cf0$0518820a@danwaters>

Joe - do you have the reference to Graph 9.0 set?

Dan Waters

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Joe Rojas
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 12:56 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2000 Charts

Hi all,

I have two problems that are driving me crazy with the charting control that
Access 2000 uses.

1) When I had a chart using the wizard, the datasheet for the chart is using
the East, West, North data that is there by default despite the fact that my
Row Source is correct. Is there a way to have the control update to reflect
"real" data?

2) I resized my chart so that it fills up most of the area on my report and
then changed the size mode to zoom. When I do this the text is monstrous
despite the fact that the font size is set to 8. Is there a way to have the
chart use the font size that is specified?

Thanks!
JR




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From lmrazek at lcm-res.com  Wed Aug 10 21:17:05 2005
From: lmrazek at lcm-res.com (Lawrence Mrazek)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 21:17:05 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2000 Charts
In-Reply-To: <0CC84C9461AE6445AD5A602001C41C4B05A42E@mercury.tnco-inc.com>
Message-ID: <20050810221786.SM00672@hplaptop>

Hi Joe:

Question 2:
Check the properties of the text boxes (menus, headings, etc.). Click on a
heading and bring up the properties (EX: format axis title). Click on the
"fonts" tab and make sure that "auto scale" is not checked. The Auto Scale
property "helps" you out by resizing everything you edited ... <G>.

Hope this helps. 


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LCM Research, Inc.
www.lcm-res.com
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ph. 314-432-5886
fx. 314-432-3304

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Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 2:56 PM
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Subject: [AccessD] Access 2000 Charts

Hi all,

I have two problems that are driving me crazy with the charting control that
Access 2000 uses.

1) When I had a chart using the wizard, the datasheet for the chart is using
the East, West, North data that is there by default despite the fact that my
Row Source is correct. Is there a way to have the control update to reflect
"real" data?

2) I resized my chart so that it fills up most of the area on my report and
then changed the size mode to zoom. When I do this the text is monstrous
despite the fact that the font size is set to 8. Is there a way to have the
chart use the font size that is specified?

Thanks!
JR




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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Aug 11 07:30:07 2005
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 08:30:07 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Outlook calendar
Message-ID: <000001c59e70$6bbc3770$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

When I click on the calendar in outlook, I am shown the day (or the week) in
yellow with the hours etc.  To the right of that I am shown NOTES.  I want
to see the monthly calendar there.  I know this is possible because in the
archive calendar, that is the view.  

How do I display the monthly calendars instead of notes?  

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From JRojas at tnco-inc.com  Thu Aug 11 07:48:15 2005
From: JRojas at tnco-inc.com (Joe Rojas)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 08:48:15 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Outlook calendar
Message-ID: <0CC84C9461AE6445AD5A602001C41C4B05A42F@mercury.tnco-inc.com>

On the same row of icons that starts with New, there should be an icon that
says Month. Click that and it should give you what you want.

JR
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To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Outlook calendar

When I click on the calendar in outlook, I am shown the day (or the week) in
yellow with the hours etc.  To the right of that I am shown NOTES.  I want
to see the monthly calendar there.  I know this is possible because in the
archive calendar, that is the view. 

How do I display the monthly calendars instead of notes? 

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From garykjos at gmail.com  Thu Aug 11 07:51:17 2005
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 07:51:17 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Outlook calendar
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Hi John

Try dragging the border of the notes box down so there is room for the
month calendar box. The month calendar may be underneath. It is on
mine only it's the Taskpad that I have over there on the right with
the calendar above it.

Gary

On 8/11/05, John W. Colby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
> When I click on the calendar in outlook, I am shown the day (or the week) in
> yellow with the hours etc.  To the right of that I am shown NOTES.  I want
> to see the monthly calendar there.  I know this is possible because in the
> archive calendar, that is the view.
> 
> How do I display the monthly calendars instead of notes?
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> 
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From adtp at touchtelindia.net  Thu Aug 11 07:47:08 2005
From: adtp at touchtelindia.net (A.D.Tejpal)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 18:17:08 +0530
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2000 Charts
References: <0CC84C9461AE6445AD5A602001C41C4B05A42E@mercury.tnco-inc.com>
Message-ID: <004b01c59e73$01192560$921865cb@winxp>

Joe,

    The problem faced by you indicates that the desired values of RowSource have not yet sunk in. What you are seeing, are the default values. As a remedial action, direct editing of source datasheet for the chart object has to be undertaken.

    My sample database named ChartsDemo might be of interest to you. It is available at Rogers Access Library (other developers library). Link - http://www.rogersaccesslibrary.com 

    This db demonstrates handling of charts on forms as well as reports. Items 1 & 6 of the tips provided therein should be of special relevance to your case.

Best wishes,
A.D.Tejpal
--------------

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  From: Joe Rojas 
  To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' 
  Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 01:25
  Subject: [AccessD] Access 2000 Charts


  Hi all,

  I have two problems that are driving me crazy with the charting control that Access 2000 uses.

  1) When I had a chart using the wizard, the datasheet for the chart is using the East, West, North data that is there by default despite the fact that my Row Source is correct. Is there a way to have the control update to reflect "real" data?

  2) I resized my chart so that it fills up most of the area on my report and then changed the size mode to zoom. When I do this the text is monstrous despite the fact that the font size is set to 8. Is there a way to have the chart use the font size that is  specified?

  Thanks!
  JR


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Aug 11 08:01:15 2005
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 09:01:15 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Outlook calendar
In-Reply-To: <0CC84C9461AE6445AD5A602001C41C4B05A42F@mercury.tnco-inc.com>
Message-ID: <000301c59e74$c1a6b490$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

It turns out that I had to grab the notes and drag the top down.  It was a
dividable window and the bottom section (notes) had been dragged all the way
up to cover the top section (the calendar).  I would NEVER have discovered
that if I hadn't just happened to be watching the screen as I moved my mouse
around and noticed the cursor change to the "drag boundary" cursor.

John W. Colby
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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Joe Rojas
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 8:48 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Outlook calendar


On the same row of icons that starts with New, there should be an icon that
says Month. Click that and it should give you what you want.

JR
-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 8:30 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Outlook calendar

When I click on the calendar in outlook, I am shown the day (or the week) in
yellow with the hours etc.  To the right of that I am shown NOTES.  I want
to see the monthly calendar there.  I know this is possible because in the
archive calendar, that is the view. 

How do I display the monthly calendars instead of notes? 

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Aug 11 08:01:29 2005
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 09:01:29 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Outlook calendar
In-Reply-To: <aea6c49505081105513e9af8fb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000401c59e74$cd7cf2c0$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

Yep, that was it!!!

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Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 8:51 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Outlook calendar


Hi John

Try dragging the border of the notes box down so there is room for the month
calendar box. The month calendar may be underneath. It is on mine only it's
the Taskpad that I have over there on the right with the calendar above it.

Gary

On 8/11/05, John W. Colby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
> When I click on the calendar in outlook, I am shown the day (or the 
> week) in yellow with the hours etc.  To the right of that I am shown 
> NOTES.  I want to see the monthly calendar there.  I know this is 
> possible because in the archive calendar, that is the view.
> 
> How do I display the monthly calendars instead of notes?
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> 
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> http://folding.stanford.edu/
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From JRojas at tnco-inc.com  Thu Aug 11 08:07:26 2005
From: JRojas at tnco-inc.com (Joe Rojas)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 09:07:26 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2000 Charts
Message-ID: <0CC84C9461AE6445AD5A602001C41C4B05A431@mercury.tnco-inc.com>

Thanks A.D.!
This solved my datasheet problem!

Thanks,
Joe Rojas
IT Manager
TNCO, Inc.
781-447-6661 x7506
jrojas at tnco-inc.com

-----Original Message-----
From: A.D.Tejpal [mailto:adtp at touchtelindia.net]
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 8:47 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 2000 Charts

Joe,

    The problem faced by you indicates that the desired values of RowSource
have not yet sunk in. What you are seeing, are the default values. As a
remedial action, direct editing of source datasheet for the chart object has
to be undertaken.

    My sample database named ChartsDemo might be of interest to you. It is
available at Rogers Access Library (other developers library). Link -
http://www.rogersaccesslibrary.com

    This db demonstrates handling of charts on forms as well as reports.
Items 1 & 6 of the tips provided therein should be of special relevance to
your case.

Best wishes,
A.D.Tejpal
--------------

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Joe Rojas
  To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
  Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 01:25
  Subject: [AccessD] Access 2000 Charts


  Hi all,

  I have two problems that are driving me crazy with the charting control
that Access 2000 uses.

  1) When I had a chart using the wizard, the datasheet for the chart is
using the East, West, North data that is there by default despite the fact
that my Row Source is correct. Is there a way to have the control update to
reflect "real" data?

  2) I resized my chart so that it fills up most of the area on my report
and then changed the size mode to zoom. When I do this the text is monstrous
despite the fact that the font size is set to 8. Is there a way to have the
chart use the font size that is  specified?

  Thanks!
  JR
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From JRojas at tnco-inc.com  Thu Aug 11 08:08:55 2005
From: JRojas at tnco-inc.com (Joe Rojas)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 09:08:55 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2000 Charts
Message-ID: <0CC84C9461AE6445AD5A602001C41C4B05A432@mercury.tnco-inc.com>

Hi Larry,

Thanks for the response!
I tried what you said but it still scales and it is still huge.
Any other ideas?

Thanks,
Joe Rojas
IT Manager
TNCO, Inc.
781-447-6661 x7506
jrojas at tnco-inc.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Lawrence Mrazek [mailto:lmrazek at lcm-res.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 10:17 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access 2000 Charts

Hi Joe:

Question 2:
Check the properties of the text boxes (menus, headings, etc.). Click on a
heading and bring up the properties (EX: format axis title). Click on the
"fonts" tab and make sure that "auto scale" is not checked. The Auto Scale
property "helps" you out by resizing everything you edited ... <G>.

Hope this helps.


Larry Mrazek
LCM Research, Inc.
www.lcm-res.com
lmrazek at lcm-res.com
ph. 314-432-5886
fx. 314-432-3304

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Joe Rojas
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 2:56 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2000 Charts

Hi all,

I have two problems that are driving me crazy with the charting control that
Access 2000 uses.

1) When I had a chart using the wizard, the datasheet for the chart is using
the East, West, North data that is there by default despite the fact that my
Row Source is correct. Is there a way to have the control update to reflect
"real" data?

2) I resized my chart so that it fills up most of the area on my report and
then changed the size mode to zoom. When I do this the text is monstrous
despite the fact that the font size is set to 8. Is there a way to have the
chart use the font size that is specified?

Thanks!
JR




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From Developer at UltraDNT.com  Thu Aug 11 09:01:42 2005
From: Developer at UltraDNT.com (Steve Conklin (Developer@UltraDNT))
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 10:01:42 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Print Reports to Specific Printers WAS Where is
	everyone?
In-Reply-To: <BAY103-DAV4721866C6F14CEFE1D729C6BA0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <00a101c59e7d$36ce0860$640fa8c0@CONKEY2000>

Didn't see if this got answered - are you using Access 2002 or higher?
Much easier if the answer is yes.  Each report has a printer property
that is changeable at run-time:

	DoCmd.OpenReport strName, acViewPreview, , "invoiceid=" &
lngInvID
	Set rpt = Reports(strName)
	rpt.Printer = Application.Printers(DLOOKUP
("INVOICEPRINTER","usysUSERSETTINGS","UserID='" & GetUserID & "'"))

I did an article at http://my.advisor.com/doc/14608 if you are a
subscriber.  (I can send it off-line - if I can find it)

If you are using 2000 or lower, you need PrtDevMode API code
(http://support.microsoft.com/?id=129397)

Either way, though, the driver has to get to the workstation, even if
printing to a network printer via its share name.  These 2 methods can
only give you a list of printers that properly show up in Ctl
Panel/Printers.

Hth
Steve



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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gregg
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 4:30 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Where is everyone?


Since everyone is so lonely... I have a general question about setting
up printers/networks/Access.  The client wants to print copies of Vendor
Purchase Orders to multiple locations.  I have total latitude with the
customer on printer setup, network setup and Access. Thus far, I have
been creating a report for each printer, each having the same subreport.
I know there is code out there to help me a little with that.  The part
I really hate is setting up every user with every printer and the
ongoing maintenance associated with it. 

I need a magic button that prints a report to the network printers I
have specified in a table and doesn't care if the printer is configured
on that workstation or not.  Any ideas?????  

Gregg Steinbrenner   
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  I haven't seen a message since yesterday afternoon.

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From JRojas at tnco-inc.com  Thu Aug 11 09:14:22 2005
From: JRojas at tnco-inc.com (Joe Rojas)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 10:14:22 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2000 Charts
Message-ID: <0CC84C9461AE6445AD5A602001C41C4B05A434@mercury.tnco-inc.com>

Out of frustration, I started to drag the edges of the chart outward. As I
did this, the text magically updated to the correct size!
I can't figure it out but at least it work.

Any ideas on what is going on?

Thanks,
Joe Rojas
IT Manager
TNCO, Inc.
781-447-6661 x7506
jrojas at tnco-inc.com

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Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 9:09 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access 2000 Charts

Hi Larry,

Thanks for the response!
I tried what you said but it still scales and it is still huge.
Any other ideas?

Thanks,
Joe Rojas
IT Manager
TNCO, Inc.
781-447-6661 x7506
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From: Lawrence Mrazek [mailto:lmrazek at lcm-res.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 10:17 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access 2000 Charts

Hi Joe:

Question 2:
Check the properties of the text boxes (menus, headings, etc.). Click on a
heading and bring up the properties (EX: format axis title). Click on the
"fonts" tab and make sure that "auto scale" is not checked. The Auto Scale
property "helps" you out by resizing everything you edited ... <G>.

Hope this helps.


Larry Mrazek
LCM Research, Inc.
www.lcm-res.com
lmrazek at lcm-res.com
ph. 314-432-5886
fx. 314-432-3304

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Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 2:56 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2000 Charts

Hi all,

I have two problems that are driving me crazy with the charting control that
Access 2000 uses.

1) When I had a chart using the wizard, the datasheet for the chart is using
the East, West, North data that is there by default despite the fact that my
Row Source is correct. Is there a way to have the control update to reflect
"real" data?

2) I resized my chart so that it fills up most of the area on my report and
then changed the size mode to zoom. When I do this the text is monstrous
despite the fact that the font size is set to 8. Is there a way to have the
chart use the font size that is specified?

Thanks!
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From paul.hartland at fsmail.net  Thu Aug 11 09:38:17 2005
From: paul.hartland at fsmail.net (paul.hartland at fsmail.net)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 16:38:17 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Excel Find next highest number above 0
Message-ID: <14753344.1123771097583.JavaMail.www@wwinf3001>

To all,

I am writing out to an Excel sheet a list of our counters names and their count rate on a specific job (ordered by CountRate DESC) by specific clients (9 clients, one sheet for each).  What I need to do is get the percentage between the two extreme count rates ( (highest-lowest)/highest ) To do this I had an excel template which had the formula ( (MAX(D2:D10000)-MIN(D2:D10000))/MAX(D2:D10000) ) and thought this would do the job, however if we haven't got the count data the lowest value is 0 which results in 100%....
How can I find the next highest value to the 0, I can loop backwards up the column but thought I would ask just in case there is a much cleaning/better way of acheiving this...

Paul Hartland
Database Developer

From Gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Aug 11 10:16:07 2005
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 17:16:07 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Excel Find next highest number above 0
Message-ID: <s2fb87e2.063@cactus.dk>

Hi Paul

Couldn't you follow this route:

  (max(value) - IIf(min(value) = 0, max(value), min(value))) /
max(value)

That would return zero if Min() is missing.

/gustav

>>> paul.hartland at fsmail.net 08/11 4:38 pm >>>
To all,

I am writing out to an Excel sheet a list of our counters names and
their count rate on a specific job (ordered by CountRate DESC) by
specific clients (9 clients, one sheet for each).  What I need to do is
get the percentage between the two extreme count rates (
(highest-lowest)/highest ) To do this I had an excel template which had
the formula ( (MAX(D2:D10000)-MIN(D2:D10000))/MAX(D2:D10000) ) and
thought this would do the job, however if we haven't got the count data
the lowest value is 0 which results in 100%....
How can I find the next highest value to the 0, I can loop backwards up
the column but thought I would ask just in case there is a much
cleaning/better way of acheiving this...

Paul Hartland
Database Developer



From paul.hartland at isharp.co.uk  Thu Aug 11 10:24:10 2005
From: paul.hartland at isharp.co.uk (Paul Hartland (ISHARP))
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 16:24:10 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Excel Find next highest number above 0
In-Reply-To: <s2fb87e2.063@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAC4AAAAAAAAAclrM129q6km1GlSfRwF8CgEAFKerAD79REu7GTojEo2iDgAAAAddkgAAEAAAABEqOC2ib+JMl17Fp7JcCqgBAAAAAA==@isharp.co.uk>

Not really, I need to calculate the two extreme values, so say if Row12
ColumnD =0 I would have to got to Row11 ColumnD and see that value, if that
was also a zero then row 10, 9, 8 etc until I reach a cell with a value
inside 

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To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT - Excel Find next highest number above 0

Hi Paul

Couldn't you follow this route:

  (max(value) - IIf(min(value) = 0, max(value), min(value))) /
max(value)

That would return zero if Min() is missing.

/gustav

>>> paul.hartland at fsmail.net 08/11 4:38 pm >>>
To all,

I am writing out to an Excel sheet a list of our counters names and their
count rate on a specific job (ordered by CountRate DESC) by specific clients
(9 clients, one sheet for each).  What I need to do is get the percentage
between the two extreme count rates ( (highest-lowest)/highest ) To do this
I had an excel template which had the formula (
(MAX(D2:D10000)-MIN(D2:D10000))/MAX(D2:D10000) ) and thought this would do
the job, however if we haven't got the count data the lowest value is 0
which results in 100%....
How can I find the next highest value to the 0, I can loop backwards up the
column but thought I would ask just in case there is a much cleaning/better
way of acheiving this...

Paul Hartland
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From darsant at gmail.com  Thu Aug 11 10:33:34 2005
From: darsant at gmail.com (Josh McFarlane)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 10:33:34 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Excel Find next highest number above 0
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References: <s2fb87e2.063@cactus.dk>
	<!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAC4AAAAAAAAAclrM129q6km1GlSfRwF8CgEAFKerAD79REu7GTojEo2iDgAAAAddkgAAEAAAABEqOC2ib+JMl17Fp7JcCqgBAAAAAA==@isharp.co.uk>
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On 8/11/05, Paul Hartland (ISHARP) <paul.hartland at isharp.co.uk> wrote:
> Not really, I need to calculate the two extreme values, so say if Row12
> ColumnD =0 I would have to got to Row11 ColumnD and see that value, if that
> was also a zero then row 10, 9, 8 etc until I reach a cell with a value
> inside

Sounds like you might need to throw together a VBA function to do it,
you should be able to iterate through the rows until you find the
value you need that way and then return it to the cell.

Granted, may be a little more work, but it's guaranteed to work, and
probably will end up being less time than trying to get the built-ins
to work.

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From greggs at msn.com  Thu Aug 11 12:31:01 2005
From: greggs at msn.com (Gregg)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 12:31:01 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Print Reports to Specific Printers WAS Where iseveryone?
References: <00a101c59e7d$36ce0860$640fa8c0@CONKEY2000>
Message-ID: <BAY103-DAV66E70C71609314DBED38FC6BD0@phx.gbl>

I didn't know that.  This customer uses 2000 but that would be handy for others if you can find it.  Thanks!
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  Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 9:01 AM
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] Print Reports to Specific Printers WAS Where iseveryone?


  Didn't see if this got answered - are you using Access 2002 or higher?
  Much easier if the answer is yes.  Each report has a printer property
  that is changeable at run-time:

  DoCmd.OpenReport strName, acViewPreview, , "invoiceid=" &
  lngInvID
  Set rpt = Reports(strName)
  rpt.Printer = Application.Printers(DLOOKUP
  ("INVOICEPRINTER","usysUSERSETTINGS","UserID='" & GetUserID & "'"))

  I did an article at http://my.advisor.com/doc/14608<http://my.advisor.com/doc/14608> if you are a
  subscriber.  (I can send it off-line - if I can find it)

  If you are using 2000 or lower, you need PrtDevMode API code
  (http://support.microsoft.com/?id=129397<http://support.microsoft.com/?id=129397>)

  Either way, though, the driver has to get to the workstation, even if
  printing to a network printer via its share name.  These 2 methods can
  only give you a list of printers that properly show up in Ctl
  Panel/Printers.

  Hth
  Steve



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  Since everyone is so lonely... I have a general question about setting
  up printers/networks/Access.  The client wants to print copies of Vendor
  Purchase Orders to multiple locations.  I have total latitude with the
  customer on printer setup, network setup and Access. Thus far, I have
  been creating a report for each printer, each having the same subreport.
  I know there is code out there to help me a little with that.  The part
  I really hate is setting up every user with every printer and the
  ongoing maintenance associated with it. 

  I need a magic button that prints a report to the network printers I
  have specified in a table and doesn't care if the printer is configured
  on that workstation or not.  Any ideas?????  

  Gregg Steinbrenner   
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    I haven't seen a message since yesterday afternoon.

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From Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com  Thu Aug 11 12:55:05 2005
From: Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com (Hale, Jim)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 12:55:05 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Excel Find next highest number above 0
Message-ID: <6A6AA9DF57E4F046BDA1E273BDDB6772337776@corp-es01.fleetpride.com>

Look at the DMAX and DMIN functions which allow for criteria  such as >0
Jim Hale

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From: paul.hartland at fsmail.net [mailto:paul.hartland at fsmail.net]
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 9:38 AM
To: accessd
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Excel Find next highest number above 0


To all,

I am writing out to an Excel sheet a list of our counters names and their
count rate on a specific job (ordered by CountRate DESC) by specific clients
(9 clients, one sheet for each).  What I need to do is get the percentage
between the two extreme count rates ( (highest-lowest)/highest ) To do this
I had an excel template which had the formula (
(MAX(D2:D10000)-MIN(D2:D10000))/MAX(D2:D10000) ) and thought this would do
the job, however if we haven't got the count data the lowest value is 0
which results in 100%....
How can I find the next highest value to the 0, I can loop backwards up the
column but thought I would ask just in case there is a much cleaning/better
way of acheiving this...

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From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com  Thu Aug 11 15:02:18 2005
From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 16:02:18 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Excel Find next highest number above 0
Message-ID: <1D7828CDB8350747AFE9D69E0E90DA1F142558BA@xlivmbx21.aig.com>

So presumably you have a query that selects one client's counters and sorts
them by the count rate and it is the results of this query that is being
output to Excel. Something like this...

SELECT tblCounters.nCountRate 
FROM tblCounters
WHERE (((tblCounters.nClientID)=1))
ORDER BY tblCounters.nCountRate DESC;

Say this is qryCountRates

You could just as easily write a Totals query to do the calculation of the
percentage. This query would use the first query as its data source, and it
would have a criteria that would specify that the count rate must be > 0.

Like this...

SELECT Max(qryCountRates.nCountRate) AS MaxNo, Min(qryCountRates.nCountRate)
AS MinNo, ([MaxNo]-[MinNo])/[MaxNo] AS Perc
FROM qryCountRates
WHERE (((qryCountRates.nCountRate)>0));

This (with some dummy data I cobbled together) produced results like this in
just a few seconds: probably much faster than running a custom VBA function
thousands of times.

MaxNo	MinNo	Perc
100000	58	0.999419987201691

HTH

Lambert

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Subject: [AccessD] OT - Excel Find next highest number above 0


To all,

I am writing out to an Excel sheet a list of our counters names and their
count rate on a specific job (ordered by CountRate DESC) by specific clients
(9 clients, one sheet for each).  What I need to do is get the percentage
between the two extreme count rates ( (highest-lowest)/highest ) To do this
I had an excel template which had the formula (
(MAX(D2:D10000)-MIN(D2:D10000))/MAX(D2:D10000) ) and thought this would do
the job, however if we haven't got the count data the lowest value is 0
which results in 100%.... How can I find the next highest value to the 0, I
can loop backwards up the column but thought I would ask just in case there
is a much cleaning/better way of acheiving this...

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From Bruce.Bruen at railcorp.nsw.gov.au  Thu Aug 11 20:57:57 2005
From: Bruce.Bruen at railcorp.nsw.gov.au (Bruen, Bruce)
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 11:57:57 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Tagged value query
Message-ID: <F2BE8EAB3EA585418337B71BCE6F3BF304EC2E@msmet100.rail.nsw.gov.au>

I'm having a total mental blank on this, please help.

I have an object that has 0-n tagged value pairs associated with it.
Object is is one table, the tagged values are in another.  There is a
simple FK relationship.  Here's the problem.  I want to produce a report
(list) of object and values for a set of the possible tagged values.
 
An example may make it clearer.
 
Object table tuples include a set of usecases UC1, UC2,....UCn
UC1 has tagged values: InFirstRelease=true; TestPriority=2;...
UC2 has tagged value: InFirstRelease=false
UC3 has tagged values: InFirstRelease=true; DocumentVer=2.0;
Approved=No;...
 
The report should look like:
 
Case             blah   blah    InFirstRelease  TestPriority
UC1    ..........................          TICK                2
UC2    ..........................          NoTICK         
UC3    ..........................          TICK                -
...
 
 
I just cannot get to 1st base on the query.
 
Any ideas gratefully requested
 
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From ssharkins at bellsouth.net  Thu Aug 11 21:19:58 2005
From: ssharkins at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 22:19:58 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Tagged value query
In-Reply-To: <F2BE8EAB3EA585418337B71BCE6F3BF304EC2E@msmet100.rail.nsw.gov.au>
Message-ID: <20050812021958.SIFE3975.ibm66aec.bellsouth.net@SUSANONE>

You want all objects, even if they have no tags? 

Susan H. 

I'm having a total mental blank on this, please help.

I have an object that has 0-n tagged value pairs associated with it.
Object is is one table, the tagged values are in another.  There is a simple
FK relationship.  Here's the problem.  I want to produce a report
(list) of object and values for a set of the possible tagged values.
 
An example may make it clearer.
 
Object table tuples include a set of usecases UC1, UC2,....UCn
UC1 has tagged values: InFirstRelease=true; TestPriority=2;...
UC2 has tagged value: InFirstRelease=false
UC3 has tagged values: InFirstRelease=true; DocumentVer=2.0; Approved=No;...
 
The report should look like:
 
Case             blah   blah    InFirstRelease  TestPriority
UC1    ..........................          TICK                2
UC2    ..........................          NoTICK         
UC3    ..........................          TICK                -
...
 
 
I just cannot get to 1st base on the query.
 
Any ideas gratefully requested
 
bruce
 
 
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From Bruce.Bruen at railcorp.nsw.gov.au  Thu Aug 11 22:09:17 2005
From: Bruce.Bruen at railcorp.nsw.gov.au (Bruen, Bruce)
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 13:09:17 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Tagged value query
Message-ID: <F2BE8EAB3EA585418337B71BCE6F3BF304EC31@msmet100.rail.nsw.gov.au>

Yes. 

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Sent: Friday, 12 August 2005 12:20 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Tagged value query

You want all objects, even if they have no tags? 

Susan H. 

I'm having a total mental blank on this, please help.

I have an object that has 0-n tagged value pairs associated with it.
Object is is one table, the tagged values are in another.  There is a
simple FK relationship.  Here's the problem.  I want to produce a report
(list) of object and values for a set of the possible tagged values.
 
An example may make it clearer.
 
Object table tuples include a set of usecases UC1, UC2,....UCn
UC1 has tagged values: InFirstRelease=true; TestPriority=2;...
UC2 has tagged value: InFirstRelease=false
UC3 has tagged values: InFirstRelease=true; DocumentVer=2.0;
Approved=No;...
 
The report should look like:
 
Case             blah   blah    InFirstRelease  TestPriority
UC1    ..........................          TICK                2
UC2    ..........................          NoTICK         
UC3    ..........................          TICK                -
...
 
 
I just cannot get to 1st base on the query.
 
Any ideas gratefully requested
 
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From ssharkins at bellsouth.net  Fri Aug 12 00:02:19 2005
From: ssharkins at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 01:02:19 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Tagged value query
In-Reply-To: <F2BE8EAB3EA585418337B71BCE6F3BF304EC31@msmet100.rail.nsw.gov.au>
Message-ID: <20050812050218.QKCP4854.ibm57aec.bellsouth.net@SUSANONE>

Have you tried an outer join? 

Left outer will retrieve all the primary key values in the one table. 
Right outer will retrieve all the foreign key values in the many table. 

Susan H. 

Yes. 

You want all objects, even if they have no tags? 




From Johncliviger at aol.com  Sat Aug 13 06:13:15 2005
From: Johncliviger at aol.com (Johncliviger at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 07:13:15 EDT
Subject: [AccessD] Upsize wizard MDB to SQL
Message-ID: <55.792af042.302f2fcb@aol.com>

Hi all
 
I've asked to migrate an Access 2002 BE to SQL 2000 server. Not having  done 
this before and not wanting fans and brown stuff to meet. So I 'm looking  for 
a some documentation on this.
 
My initial view is to apply the upsize wizard to the BE and keep  the FE as 
it is and link it via odbc to SQL BE. 
 
Comments and pointers most welcome. 
 
johnb


From JHewson at karta.com  Sat Aug 13 13:14:28 2005
From: JHewson at karta.com (Jim Hewson)
Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 13:14:28 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] SQL Server BE - Access FE
Message-ID: <9C382E065F54AE48BC3AA7925DCBB01C036B66CA@karta-exc-int.Karta.com>


Works good....
I can't seem to figure out how the security on the SQL Database can be
used.
When I first go into the FE, the forms work... when I need to look at
any of the data, I get an error message about the login failed for the
user.  I click the OK button and get another screen with Server visible
and the Use Trusted Connection checked.  When I uncheck the box, the
Login ID and Password are available to enter the correct information.
I've looked into the help and couldn't find what I needed. I have one
user in SQL Server with the correct security (Read-Only).

How do I connect without going through that sequence? 

TIA
Jim


From mikedorism at verizon.net  Sat Aug 13 14:29:42 2005
From: mikedorism at verizon.net (Mike & Doris Manning)
Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 15:29:42 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] SQL Server BE - Access FE
In-Reply-To: <9C382E065F54AE48BC3AA7925DCBB01C036B66CA@karta-exc-int.Karta.com>
Message-ID: <000001c5a03d$5b997500$2e01a8c0@dorismanning>

If you use an ADP with Windows authentication, you will get around that.
Otherwise you'll have to pop-up a login box each time you open the database
to set the connection.

Doris Manning
mikedorism at verizon.net

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Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2005 2:14 PM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] SQL Server BE - Access FE


Works good....
I can't seem to figure out how the security on the SQL Database can be
used.
When I first go into the FE, the forms work... when I need to look at
any of the data, I get an error message about the login failed for the
user.  I click the OK button and get another screen with Server visible
and the Use Trusted Connection checked.  When I uncheck the box, the
Login ID and Password are available to enter the correct information.
I've looked into the help and couldn't find what I needed. I have one
user in SQL Server with the correct security (Read-Only).

How do I connect without going through that sequence? 

TIA
Jim
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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Sat Aug 13 14:30:06 2005
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 12:30:06 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Upsize wizard MDB to SQL
References: <55.792af042.302f2fcb@aol.com>
Message-ID: <42FE4A3E.2090400@shaw.ca>

Here is a list of considerations to look at  re conversion mdb be  to sql
and links to MS upsizing wizard white paper.

http://www.upsizewizard.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=browse&id=5036&pageid=22


Here is a method of relinking SQL Server via DAO ODBC via DSN-Less 
Connections
It also has a coding method to ensure SQL Backend tables have an Index.
A common problem otherwise your SQL tables are not updateable.

http://www.accessmvp.com/djsteele/DSNLessLinks.html

It is not so easy if you go with ADO and  SQL Stored Procedures, you 
will have to change forms etc.
and queries.

Easy . Well it is is easy to repair space shuttle heat tiles, if you 
have the right tool - an opposable thumb.
 
Also make sure you understand, how to do proper SQL Backup procedures.

This book might help SQL: Access to SQL Server (Paperback)
by Susan Sales Harkins, Martin W.P. Reid


Johncliviger at aol.com wrote:

>Hi all
> 
>I've asked to migrate an Access 2002 BE to SQL 2000 server. Not having  done 
>this before and not wanting fans and brown stuff to meet. So I 'm looking  for 
>a some documentation on this.
> 
>My initial view is to apply the upsize wizard to the BE and keep  the FE as 
>it is and link it via odbc to SQL BE. 
> 
>Comments and pointers most welcome. 
> 
>johnb
>  
>

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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Sat Aug 13 14:30:06 2005
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 12:30:06 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Upsize wizard MDB to SQL
References: <55.792af042.302f2fcb@aol.com>
Message-ID: <42FE4A3E.2090400@shaw.ca>

Here is a list of considerations to look at  re conversion mdb be  to sql
and links to MS upsizing wizard white paper.

http://www.upsizewizard.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=browse&id=5036&pageid=22


Here is a method of relinking SQL Server via DAO ODBC via DSN-Less 
Connections
It also has a coding method to ensure SQL Backend tables have an Index.
A common problem otherwise your SQL tables are not updateable.

http://www.accessmvp.com/djsteele/DSNLessLinks.html

It is not so easy if you go with ADO and  SQL Stored Procedures, you 
will have to change forms etc.
and queries.

Easy . Well it is is easy to repair space shuttle heat tiles, if you 
have the right tool - an opposable thumb.
 
Also make sure you understand, how to do proper SQL Backup procedures.

This book might help SQL: Access to SQL Server (Paperback)
by Susan Sales Harkins, Martin W.P. Reid


Johncliviger at aol.com wrote:

>Hi all
> 
>I've asked to migrate an Access 2002 BE to SQL 2000 server. Not having  done 
>this before and not wanting fans and brown stuff to meet. So I 'm looking  for 
>a some documentation on this.
> 
>My initial view is to apply the upsize wizard to the BE and keep  the FE as 
>it is and link it via odbc to SQL BE. 
> 
>Comments and pointers most welcome. 
> 
>johnb
>  
>

-- 
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Victoria, B.C.
Canada





From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Sat Aug 13 17:01:15 2005
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 15:01:15 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Upsize wizard MDB to SQL
References: <55.792af042.302f2fcb@aol.com> <42FE4A3E.2090400@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <42FE6DAB.3060506@shaw.ca>

Couple of  other books that might come in handy
Good explanation on how to use SP's from Access
Microsoft Access Developer's Guide to SQL Server (Paperback)
by Andy Baron, Mary Chipman

Don Celko's series on SQL for Smarties I think there are 4 in series
Good if you need to anything complex in SQL like storing hierarchial 
structures
ie relational tables to XML.

I see Mary Chipman has gone to work at Microsoft, along with Michael Kaplan.



MartyConnelly wrote:

> Here is a list of considerations to look at  re conversion mdb be  to sql
> and links to MS upsizing wizard white paper.
>
> http://www.upsizewizard.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=browse&id=5036&pageid=22
>
>
> Here is a method of relinking SQL Server via DAO ODBC via DSN-Less 
> Connections
> It also has a coding method to ensure SQL Backend tables have an Index.
> A common problem otherwise your SQL tables are not updateable.
>
> http://www.accessmvp.com/djsteele/DSNLessLinks.html
>
> It is not so easy if you go with ADO and  SQL Stored Procedures, you 
> will have to change forms etc.
> and queries.
>
> Easy . Well it is is easy to repair space shuttle heat tiles, if you 
> have the right tool - an opposable thumb.
>
> Also make sure you understand, how to do proper SQL Backup procedures.
>
> This book might help SQL: Access to SQL Server (Paperback)
> by Susan Sales Harkins, Martin W.P. Reid
>
>
> Johncliviger at aol.com wrote:
>
>> Hi all
>>
>> I've asked to migrate an Access 2002 BE to SQL 2000 server. Not 
>> having  done this before and not wanting fans and brown stuff to 
>> meet. So I 'm looking  for a some documentation on this.
>>
>> My initial view is to apply the upsize wizard to the BE and keep  the 
>> FE as it is and link it via odbc to SQL BE.
>> Comments and pointers most welcome.
>> johnb
>>  
>>
>

-- 
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada





From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Aug 13 17:25:57 2005
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 18:25:57 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Reporting a bug to Microsoft
Message-ID: <002c01c5a055$f9d1fcc0$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

Have you ever wanted to report a bug to MS but didn't know how?

MSWish at Microsoft.com

Is an email address for doing so.  I am told (by MS Developer tech support)
that you can send email to this address and they will respond.  I just sent
a rather long email to them outlining an "Access crashes" bug.  We shall
see.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Aug 13 17:28:31 2005
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 18:28:31 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Report a bug
Message-ID: <002d01c5a056$55c5dfb0$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

BTW, the web site with the phone number (wade through a long phone menu) is:

http://support.microsoft.com/gp/contactbug

John W. Colby
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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Sat Aug 13 19:59:01 2005
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 19:59:01 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Reporting a bug to Microsoft
In-Reply-To: <23354458.1123972196196.JavaMail.root@sniper15>
Message-ID: <000001c5a06b$60b6ba60$0300a8c0@danwaters>

John,

I once reported an Access bug and my workaround to MS (had to do with
conditional formatting).  They duplicated the problem perfectly, and told me
they passed it on to the development group.

At the end of the email conversation, I was told, "Mr. Waters, because you
were able to resolve this problem yourself, we won't reduce the number of
free tech help support hours you have."

Gee - Thanks!  I did resolve the error myself (by multiplying a numeric
field value by the number 1), and I didn't know I had any free tech support
hours to begin with.

So - be careful you don't lose any of those hours!

Dan Waters

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2005 5:26 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Reporting a bug to Microsoft

Have you ever wanted to report a bug to MS but didn't know how?

MSWish at Microsoft.com

Is an email address for doing so.  I am told (by MS Developer tech support)
that you can send email to this address and they will respond.  I just sent
a rather long email to them outlining an "Access crashes" bug.  We shall
see.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From artful at rogers.com  Sat Aug 13 21:07:52 2005
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 22:07:52 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Query difference between Access 97 and 2002
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86873B98@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <200508140207.j7E27nR05729@databaseadvisors.com>

You could also use a static function to put this problem in a nice little
package and forget about it forever. Check the archives for my previous
rants on static functions. If you can't find one, I'll send you the sample
code off-list.

Arthur

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: August 9, 2005 4:32 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Query difference between Access 97 and 2002

In addition to Jin's suggestion, check the query parameter for that
reference and make sure all the square brackets are in the right places.
In 97 you could leave them out entirely or put them around a single
element of the reference.  In 2000 and later, the query engine will
insert a pair of square brackets around the entire reference if any of
the brackets around the individual elements were skipped.  I've run into
this repeatedly.

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Dettman [mailto:jimdettman at earthlink.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 12:21 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Query difference between Access 97 and 2002


Barb,

  Make sure you explicitly type (text, date, integer) the data expected
in the control (in query design, goto query/parameters).

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Barbara Ryan
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 3:20 PM
To: Access List
Subject: [AccessD] Query difference between Access 97 and 2002


I have converted an Access 97 application to Access 2002 (XP).  A query
that works in 97 will no longer work in XP.  The  field in the query
causing the problem is referencing an unbound text box on an open form,
i.e., the field name in the query is
"PeriodEndDate:[Forms]![frmPerDiemEntry]![txtPeriodEndDate]".  When I
execute the query in 97, I see the contents of txtPeriodEndDate;
however, in XP, it is blank/null.

Any ideas?

Thanks,
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Aug 13 21:11:19 2005
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 22:11:19 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Reporting a bug to Microsoft
In-Reply-To: <000001c5a06b$60b6ba60$0300a8c0@danwaters>
Message-ID: <003801c5a075$79aa7840$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

LOL, reduce the number of free support hours because you report a BUG to
them.  That's classic.

John W. Colby
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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2005 8:59 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Reporting a bug to Microsoft


John,

I once reported an Access bug and my workaround to MS (had to do with
conditional formatting).  They duplicated the problem perfectly, and told me
they passed it on to the development group.

At the end of the email conversation, I was told, "Mr. Waters, because you
were able to resolve this problem yourself, we won't reduce the number of
free tech help support hours you have."

Gee - Thanks!  I did resolve the error myself (by multiplying a numeric
field value by the number 1), and I didn't know I had any free tech support
hours to begin with.

So - be careful you don't lose any of those hours!

Dan Waters

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2005 5:26 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Reporting a bug to Microsoft

Have you ever wanted to report a bug to MS but didn't know how?

MSWish at Microsoft.com

Is an email address for doing so.  I am told (by MS Developer tech support)
that you can send email to this address and they will respond.  I just sent
a rather long email to them outlining an "Access crashes" bug.  We shall
see.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From artful at rogers.com  Sat Aug 13 21:11:52 2005
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 22:11:52 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Clear Debug Window Programmatically
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86873B99@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <200508140211.j7E2BnR06568@databaseadvisors.com>

I thought that I had explained why I want to do it programmatically, but in
case I didn't or it was missed, I shall repeat: I sprinkle my code with
liberal doses of Debug.Print statements, particularly when debugging or
exploring new corners. I might put a breakpoint on several statements at the
end of a string of such Debug.Print statements. The window rapidly fills up.
I want to be able to do housecleaning at certain points, such that the debug
window contains only the results since my last housecleaning.

It's not a big deal. I can survive as I have been doing. I simply wondered
whether there was a statement equivalent to clearing the debug window.

Arthur

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: August 9, 2005 4:35 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Clear Debug Window Programmatically

I realize that you asked for a programmatic method.  However, since the
debug window is only available in the VBE, I didn't see any purpose in a
programmatic method ... In XP and above, of course. <g>  You didn't
indicate the version or WHY you needed it, so it's your own fault if we
wandered off in another direction! LOL

Charlotte Foust



From artful at rogers.com  Sat Aug 13 21:36:54 2005
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 22:36:54 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Memo field parsing
In-Reply-To: <BAY103-DAV80B80606835F7D8B45568C6BA0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <200508140236.j7E2aqR12730@databaseadvisors.com>

What a nice and beautifully explained piece of code, A.D. My compliments!

Arthur

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gregg
Sent: August 10, 2005 3:33 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Memo field parsing

Worked like a charm A.D.  thanks again!
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: A.D.Tejpal<mailto:adtp at touchtelindia.net> 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem
solving<mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com> 
  Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 2:57 PM
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Memo field parsing


  Gregg,

      For sake of demonstration, let the source table named T_Memo consist
of two fields, named ID (primary key - Autonumber) and Mem (memo type). 

      Create another table, named T_MemRef, with just one field named Ref
(number type). Populate this table with just two records, with values 1 and
2 respectively. Query Q_Memo as given below, should be used as record source
for your report. It involves Cartesian join between tables T_Memo and
T_MemRef. 

      In detail section of your report, drag Mem and Ref from the field
list, so as to create bound controls named Mem and Ref. Make these controls
hidden, set their CanGrow property to "No" and position the same
un-obtrusively. Insert an unbound text box named TxtMemo. This is the text
box that would actually display the contents of memo field. Set the width
and fonts as desired. Set the CanGrow property of this control as well as
the detail section as a whole, to "Yes".

      In VBA window, put the code given below, in Detail_Format event of the
report. Make sure that the item "On Format" in Event tab of properties
dialog box shows [Event Procedure] against it.

      Now, when you run the report, first three lines of the memo field will
get displayed on first page and the balance portion on the next page.
Similar pattern would get repeated for all records.
      
  Best wishes,
  A.D.Tejpal
  --------------

  Source Query for the report (Q_Memo)
  =====================================
  SELECT T_Memo.ID, T_MemRef.Ref, T_Memo.Mem
  FROM T_Memo, T_MemRef
  ORDER BY T_Memo.ID, T_MemRef.Ref;
  =====================================

  Code in Report's Module
  =====================================
  Private Sub Detail_Format(Cancel As Integer, _
                                          FormatCount As Integer)
      Dim Wd As Long, Rw As Single, Mgn As Long
      Dim LenMem As Long, Txt As String, Lft As Long
      Dim LastSpace As Long, MaxRowsFirstPart
      Dim Mpf As Single
      
      MaxRowsFirstPart = 3
      LenMem = Len(Mem)
      If LenMem > 0 Then
      Else
          Exit Sub
      End If
      
      With Me
          ' Set the scale mode to twips
          .ScaleMode = 1
          ' Set Font values for report to match those of memo field.
          .FontName = TxtMemo.FontName
          .FontSize = TxtMemo.FontSize
          If TxtMemo.FontBold <> 0 Then
              .FontBold = True
          Else
              .FontBold = False
          End If
      End With
      
      ' Allow for necessary margin within a text box
      ' (Between its border and the content)
      Mgn = 170     ' This value may need fine tuning for
                              ' best results
      ' Get effective width of control meant for
      ' displaying memo field
      Wd = TxtMemo.Width - Mgn
      ' Get the number of characters so as to make-up the
      ' required number of rows for first part of memo field.
      For Lft = 1 To LenMem
          Txt = Left(Mem, Lft)
          LastSpace = IIf(Right(Txt, 1) = " ", Lft, LastSpace)
          Rw = TextWidth(Txt) / Wd
          If Rw > MaxRowsFirstPart Then
              Lft = Lft - 1
              Exit For
          End If
      Next
      Debug.Print Lft; ", "; LastSpace
      
      ' Get Multiplying factor for acceptable max location
      ' of last space.
      Mpf = (0.8 + (MaxRowsFirstPart - 1)) / MaxRowsFirstPart
      
      ' Shorten the first part to nearest space
      ' (if within 20 % of the end of line)
      If LastSpace > Mpf * Lft And LastSpace < Lft Then
          Lft = LastSpace
      End If
      
      ' Populate the unbound text box with appropriate
      ' part of memo field.
      If Ref = 1 Then
          TxtMemo = Left(Mem, Lft)
          ' Force New Page - Afer section, only if memo
          ' field contents not yet finished
          If LenMem > Lft Then
              Detail.ForceNewPage = 2
          Else
              Detail.ForceNewPage = 0   ' No break
          End If
      Else
          TxtMemo = Mid(Mem, Lft + 1)
          ' Force New Page - Afer section
          Detail.ForceNewPage = 2
      End If
  End Sub
  =====================================

    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Gregg 
    To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
    Cc: Robert Penn 
    Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 04:19
    Subject: Re: [AccessD] Memo field parsing


    Thanks Charlotte!  I give it a try.

      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: Charlotte
Foust<mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com<mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com>> 
      To: Access Developers discussion and problem
solving<mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com<mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.
com>> 
      Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 5:33 PM
      Subject: RE: [AccessD] Memo field parsing

      No, get the textwidth of the control and see if the textwidth of the
text is greater than that.  Handle the situation where it is not and
everything fits in the first control.  Otherwise get the text that fits
within the control textwidth and use instrRev to find the last space in that
substring.  Break it there.  

    At that point, you also know the index of the starting point for the
rest of the string, so all you need to do for the next page is use the
Mid(text, index) to put the rest of it into the second page.

    Charlotte Foust

      -----Original Message-----
      From: Gregg [mailto:greggs at msn.com] 
      Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 11:34 AM
      To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
      Subject: Re: [AccessD] Memo field parsing


      So, you're saying I need to loop through all the characters until I
find
      the last whole word that will fit on the first line, the same for the
      second etc. until I determine what text will fit in the first page
text
      field and use what's left for the 2nd page?
        ----- Original Message ----- 
        From: Charlotte
Foust<mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com<mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com<ma
ilto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com<mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com>>> 
        To: Access Developers discussion and problem
 
solving<mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com<mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.
com<mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com<mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>> 
        Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 11:02 AM
        Subject: RE: [AccessD] Memo field parsing


        You can't do it by simply counting characters anyhow.  You have to
use
        the TextWidth property, which can be expressed as
        reportname.TextWidth(stringvariable) and compare that to the
textwidth
        of the control ( reportname.TextWidth(controlobject) or to the
maximum
        length you want to display.  You'll also want to allow a padding
      factor
        to avoid overrunning the  borders of the control and be sure and
check
        for carriage returns because they confuse the issue.

        If you want to display 3 "lines", you'll have to break the memo
field
        into the first three chunks that will fit into the textwidth of the
        textbox you're using to display the text on that page.

        Charlotte Foust


        -----Original Message-----
        From: Gregg [mailto:greggs at msn.com] 
        Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 8:43 AM
        To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
        Subject: Re: [AccessD] Memo field parsing


        Charlotte

        Physical space I think because I don't know how to get from one to
the
        other.  The number of characters is going to be dependant on the how
        many characters are lost to word wrapping isn't it?  Is there a way
to
        calculate the number of characters that will appear in the first
three
        lines?  If I knew that, I could do it.
          ----- Original Message ----- 
          From: Charlotte
 
Foust<mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com<mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.co<mai
lto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com<mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.co<mailto:cfous
t at infostatsystems.com<mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.co<mailto:cfoust at infosta
tsystems.com<mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.co>>
      m>> 
          To: Access Developers discussion and problem
       
 
solving<mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com<mailto:accessd at databaseadvis<mai
lto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com<mailto:accessd at databaseadvis<mailto:accessd
@databaseadvisors.com<mailto:accessd at databaseadvis<mailto:accessd at databasead
visors.com<mailto:accessd at databaseadvis>>
      ors.com>> 
          Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 10:28 AM
          Subject: RE: [AccessD] Memo field parsing


          Define "first three lines".   Is that a particular number of
        characters
          or a physical space?

          Charlotte Foust


          -----Original Message-----
          From: Gregg [mailto:greggs at msn.com] 
          Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 7:32 AM
          To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
          Subject: [AccessD] Memo field parsing

          I would like to parse a memo field in a A97 report such that the
first three lines is on the first page and whatever is left is on the next.
          Any ideas?

          Gregg Steinbrenner
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From artful at rogers.com  Sat Aug 13 21:38:04 2005
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 22:38:04 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Where is everyone?
In-Reply-To: <00c101c59de2$296bd670$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <200508140238.j7E2c0R13359@databaseadvisors.com>

Somebody should write up the history of AccessD for publication in the
newsletter, and for posterity.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: August 10, 2005 3:32 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Where is everyone?

Ahhhh... The beginning of DatabaseAdvisors.  I remember it well.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Michael R Mattys
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 3:22 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Where is everyone?


I was going through my old email and found a couple
on my trip down Memory Lane:


From: David Scott [mailto:davidscott at mtgroup.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2000 11:56 AM
To: Christopher Hawkins
Subject: RE: Help! My posts are getting bounced!

I only pop in on the list maybe once every month or two to see what's going
on. Today I signed on and received a mailbox full of some of the most
ridiculous posts I've ever seen. People lobbing insults at each other,
flames, etc.

I have a very limited amount of bandwidth, and accessd takes most of it.
I'll be darned if I'm going to take bandwidth away from my customers who
need it to support this kind of list traffic.

As of today, accessd is dead. I may bring it back up later, depending on the
response I get. When (if) I do, the people who were active members this
morning will be back on then.

I don't want to come across to you too harsh - personally you may have not
contributed to this incident at all, but I'm pretty miffed at the whole
thing.

Dave


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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Aug 13 21:38:58 2005
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 22:38:58 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Query difference between Access 97 and 2002
In-Reply-To: <200508140207.j7E27nR05729@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <003901c5a079$557b2d30$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

And look at mine where I replace Arthur's static variable with a collection
to turn the function into single function with many storage locations.

'
'Fltr takes two parameters - the filter name, and the filter value (which is
optional).
'
'The first syntax can be used to set the filter value:
'
'fltr "MyFltr1", MyFltrValue
'
'The filter lstrName is used as the key into the collection, i.e. when
lvarValue
'is stored, it is stored with a key of lstrName.
'
'The second syntax can be used to retrieve the value of the filter:
'
'fltr("MyFltr1")
'
'The fact that the second parameter is Optional allows us to check whether a
value
'has been passed in.  If no value is passed in, then the assumption is that
the filter
'is expecting to return a value.
'
'Because the filter uses a collection internally to save the values, this
single
'function can store up to 32K different filter values.
'
'Because lvarValue is a variant, the value stored can be pretty much
anything.
'In fact it is necessary to use ctl.VALUE if you want to store an unchanging
value
'from a control, since passing in a pointer to a control will then return
the value
'of the control, which may change over time.
'
Public Function Fltr(lstrName As String, Optional lvarValue As Variant) As
Variant
On Error GoTo Err_Fltr
Static mcolFilter As Collection
Static blnFltrInitialized As Boolean

    If Not blnFltrInitialized Then
        Set mcolFilter = New Collection
        blnFltrInitialized = True
    End If
    If IsMissing(lvarValue) Then
        On Error Resume Next
        Fltr = mcolFilter(lstrName)
        If Err <> 0 Then
            Fltr = Null
        End If
    Else
        On Error Resume Next
        mcolFilter.Remove lstrName
        mcolFilter.Add lvarValue, lstrName
        Fltr = lvarValue
    End If
Exit_Fltr:
Exit Function
Err_Fltr:
        MsgBox Err.Description, , "Error in Function basFltrFunctions.Fltr"
        Resume Exit_Fltr
    Resume 0    '.FOR TROUBLESHOOTING
End Function



John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2005 10:08 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Query difference between Access 97 and 2002


You could also use a static function to put this problem in a nice little
package and forget about it forever. Check the archives for my previous
rants on static functions. If you can't find one, I'll send you the sample
code off-list.

Arthur




From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sat Aug 13 21:44:55 2005
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 12:44:55 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Clear Debug Window Programmatically
In-Reply-To: <200508140211.j7E2BnR06568@databaseadvisors.com>
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86873B99@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <42FF3CC7.27650.4BD2ACD@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

On 13 Aug 2005 at 22:11, Arthur Fuller wrote:

> 
> It's not a big deal. I can survive as I have been doing. I simply wondered
> whether there was a statement equivalent to clearing the debug window.

Try googling "Debug.Clear" :-(   

It appears on just about every VB/VBA wishlist I've seen since VB3 and it's 
never been implemented. 






-- 
Stuart




From newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz  Sat Aug 13 21:57:36 2005
From: newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 14:57:36 +1200
Subject: [AccessD] Clear Debug Window Programmatically
In-Reply-To: <42FF3CC7.27650.4BD2ACD@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86873B99@infoserver01.infostat.local>
	<42FF3CC7.27650.4BD2ACD@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.0.20050814145616.03114b30@mail.dalyn.co.nz>

As a cheap option, how about sending a few character returns to move the 
existing text down out of the way?

David


At 08/14/2005, you wrote:
>On 13 Aug 2005 at 22:11, Arthur Fuller wrote:
>
> >
> > It's not a big deal. I can survive as I have been doing. I simply wondered
> > whether there was a statement equivalent to clearing the debug window.
>
>Try googling "Debug.Clear" :-(
>
>It appears on just about every VB/VBA wishlist I've seen since VB3 and it's
>never been implemented.
>
>--
>Stuart



From adtp at touchtelindia.net  Sat Aug 13 23:08:44 2005
From: adtp at touchtelindia.net (A.D.Tejpal)
Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 09:38:44 +0530
Subject: [AccessD] Memo field parsing
References: <200508140236.j7E2aqR12730@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <004201c5a086$3b0d8210$af1865cb@winxp>

    Thanks Arthur! - for your kind words. So nice of you.

A.D.Tejpal
--------------

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Arthur Fuller 
  To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' 
  Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 08:06
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] Memo field parsing


  What a nice and beautifully explained piece of code, A.D. My compliments!

  Arthur

  -----Original Message-----
  From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
  [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gregg
  Sent: August 10, 2005 3:33 PM
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Memo field parsing

  Worked like a charm A.D.  thanks again!


    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: A.D.Tejpal<mailto:adtp at touchtelindia.net> 
    To: Access Developers discussion and problem
  solving<mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com> 
    Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 2:57 PM
    Subject: Re: [AccessD] Memo field parsing


    Gregg,

        For sake of demonstration, let the source table named T_Memo consist
  of two fields, named ID (primary key - Autonumber) and Mem (memo type). 

        Create another table, named T_MemRef, with just one field named Ref
  (number type). Populate this table with just two records, with values 1 and
  2 respectively. Query Q_Memo as given below, should be used as record source
  for your report. It involves Cartesian join between tables T_Memo and
  T_MemRef. 

        In detail section of your report, drag Mem and Ref from the field
  list, so as to create bound controls named Mem and Ref. Make these controls
  hidden, set their CanGrow property to "No" and position the same
  un-obtrusively. Insert an unbound text box named TxtMemo. This is the text
  box that would actually display the contents of memo field. Set the width
  and fonts as desired. Set the CanGrow property of this control as well as
  the detail section as a whole, to "Yes".

        In VBA window, put the code given below, in Detail_Format event of the
  report. Make sure that the item "On Format" in Event tab of properties
  dialog box shows [Event Procedure] against it.

        Now, when you run the report, first three lines of the memo field will
  get displayed on first page and the balance portion on the next page.
  Similar pattern would get repeated for all records.
        
    Best wishes,
    A.D.Tejpal
    --------------

    Source Query for the report (Q_Memo)
    =====================================
    SELECT T_Memo.ID, T_MemRef.Ref, T_Memo.Mem
    FROM T_Memo, T_MemRef
    ORDER BY T_Memo.ID, T_MemRef.Ref;
    =====================================

    Code in Report's Module
    =====================================
    Private Sub Detail_Format(Cancel As Integer, _
                                            FormatCount As Integer)
        Dim Wd As Long, Rw As Single, Mgn As Long
        Dim LenMem As Long, Txt As String, Lft As Long
        Dim LastSpace As Long, MaxRowsFirstPart
        Dim Mpf As Single
        
        MaxRowsFirstPart = 3
        LenMem = Len(Mem)
        If LenMem > 0 Then
        Else
            Exit Sub
        End If
        
        With Me
            ' Set the scale mode to twips
            .ScaleMode = 1
            ' Set Font values for report to match those of memo field.
            .FontName = TxtMemo.FontName
            .FontSize = TxtMemo.FontSize
            If TxtMemo.FontBold <> 0 Then
                .FontBold = True
            Else
                .FontBold = False
            End If
        End With
        
        ' Allow for necessary margin within a text box
        ' (Between its border and the content)
        Mgn = 170     ' This value may need fine tuning for
                                ' best results
        ' Get effective width of control meant for
        ' displaying memo field
        Wd = TxtMemo.Width - Mgn
        ' Get the number of characters so as to make-up the
        ' required number of rows for first part of memo field.
        For Lft = 1 To LenMem
            Txt = Left(Mem, Lft)
            LastSpace = IIf(Right(Txt, 1) = " ", Lft, LastSpace)
            Rw = TextWidth(Txt) / Wd
            If Rw > MaxRowsFirstPart Then
                Lft = Lft - 1
                Exit For
            End If
        Next
        Debug.Print Lft; ", "; LastSpace
        
        ' Get Multiplying factor for acceptable max location
        ' of last space.
        Mpf = (0.8 + (MaxRowsFirstPart - 1)) / MaxRowsFirstPart
        
        ' Shorten the first part to nearest space
        ' (if within 20 % of the end of line)
        If LastSpace > Mpf * Lft And LastSpace < Lft Then
            Lft = LastSpace
        End If
        
        ' Populate the unbound text box with appropriate
        ' part of memo field.
        If Ref = 1 Then
            TxtMemo = Left(Mem, Lft)
            ' Force New Page - Afer section, only if memo
            ' field contents not yet finished
            If LenMem > Lft Then
                Detail.ForceNewPage = 2
            Else
                Detail.ForceNewPage = 0   ' No break
            End If
        Else
            TxtMemo = Mid(Mem, Lft + 1)
            ' Force New Page - Afer section
            Detail.ForceNewPage = 2
        End If
    End Sub
    =====================================


From Johncliviger at aol.com  Sun Aug 14 05:42:23 2005
From: Johncliviger at aol.com (Johncliviger at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 06:42:23 EDT
Subject: [AccessD] Upsize wizard MDB to SQL
Message-ID: <1fb.e9ff7bd.30307a0f@aol.com>

Hi Martin
 
Thanks for the pointers. They should keep me busy for a while. Its going to  
be a steep learning curve.
 
Kind regards
 
johnc  


From listmaster at databaseadvisors.com  Sun Aug 14 08:50:58 2005
From: listmaster at databaseadvisors.com (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 09:50:58 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Administrivia - Lists Temporarily Down
Message-ID: <42FF1402.5531.150D8B@listmaster.databaseadvisors.com>

The company that hosts our lists will be doing some maintenance on 
their network from 11PM Aug 16 to 6 AM Aug 17 CST (04:00 to 11:00 on 
Aug 17 UTC - http://www.timezoneconverter.com/cgi-bin/tzc.tzc to find 
out what time it is in your timezone)) 

They are upgrading their core routers, which will cause dba's list, 
and associated web pages (not the Website, but the list pages, 
including archives) to be down, anywhere from a few minutes to an 
hour.

Hopefully this does not cause anyone too much of an inconvenience.

-- 
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If you can't be a good example, then you'll just have to be a 
horrible warning.




From john at winhaven.net  Sun Aug 14 16:11:28 2005
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 16:11:28 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Where is everyone?
In-Reply-To: <200508140238.j7E2c0R13359@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <200508142111.j7ELBYkr209474@pimout1-ext.prodigy.net>

Go for it! 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2005 9:38 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Where is everyone?

Somebody should write up the history of AccessD for publication in the
newsletter, and for posterity.



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sun Aug 14 18:41:17 2005
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 19:41:17 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Bug Report
Message-ID: <004801c5a129$aa5d00c0$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

The following is the response I got to my bug report:

Hello John, 
 
Thank you for contacting Microsoft Online Customer Service. 
 
I appreciate the time you have taken to provide us with the feedback.
As a Customer Service Representative, I can assist you with the support
options available with your Microsoft product. You can report bugs by postal
mail to the following address: 
 
Attn: Office Development Group
Microsoft Corporation
One Microsoft Way
Redmond, WA 98052
 
The letter should include a complete description of the bug including the
actions, software, and hardware associated with the bug and whether or not
it is consistently reproducible. 
 
You may also contact Microsoft Customer Service and speak with a support
professional about the issue and have a support case created. This method
will require you to utilize the standard options of support that are
available for your copy of Microsoft product initially. Once the support
professional is able to determine that the problem is a bug with the
software, they will not decrement the incident from warranty support or
account or issue a refund of any credit card charges if applicable. 
 
You may contact  Microsoft Developer Support Team at (800) 936-5800. They
are available 24 hours a day.  They will be able to assist you. 
 
John, I hope your issue gets resolved.
 
Thank you for using Microsoft products and services. 

Benoy
Microsoft Online Customer Service Representative

If you have any feedback about your Online Customer Service experience
please E-mail my manager Rahul Rajgopal at managers at microsoft.com
 
 

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Sun Aug 14 18:50:48 2005
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 16:50:48 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Bug Report
References: <004801c5a129$aa5d00c0$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <024301c5a12a$fef2f1c0$6501a8c0@HAL9004>

You're on a first name basis with Benoy?  Not many of us have that kind of 
clout.

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John W. Colby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 4:41 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Bug Report


> The following is the response I got to my bug report:
>
> Hello John,
>
> Thank you for contacting Microsoft Online Customer Service.
>
> I appreciate the time you have taken to provide us with the feedback.
> As a Customer Service Representative, I can assist you with the support
> options available with your Microsoft product. You can report bugs by 
> postal
> mail to the following address:
>
> Attn: Office Development Group
> Microsoft Corporation
> One Microsoft Way
> Redmond, WA 98052
>
> The letter should include a complete description of the bug including the
> actions, software, and hardware associated with the bug and whether or not
> it is consistently reproducible.
>
> You may also contact Microsoft Customer Service and speak with a support
> professional about the issue and have a support case created. This method
> will require you to utilize the standard options of support that are
> available for your copy of Microsoft product initially. Once the support
> professional is able to determine that the problem is a bug with the
> software, they will not decrement the incident from warranty support or
> account or issue a refund of any credit card charges if applicable.
>
> You may contact  Microsoft Developer Support Team at (800) 936-5800. They
> are available 24 hours a day.  They will be able to assist you.
>
> John, I hope your issue gets resolved.
>
> Thank you for using Microsoft products and services.
>
> Benoy
> Microsoft Online Customer Service Representative
>
> If you have any feedback about your Online Customer Service experience
> please E-mail my manager Rahul Rajgopal at managers at microsoft.com
>
>
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
> http://folding.stanford.edu/
>
>
> -- 
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> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sun Aug 14 18:53:23 2005
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 19:53:23 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Bug Report
In-Reply-To: <024301c5a12a$fef2f1c0$6501a8c0@HAL9004>
Message-ID: <004901c5a12b$5b23b6a0$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

LOL.  All you have to do is pay them money to tell them about their bugs and
you too can be on a first name basis.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
Beach Access Software
Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 7:51 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Bug Report


You're on a first name basis with Benoy?  Not many of us have that kind of 
clout.

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John W. Colby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 4:41 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Bug Report


> The following is the response I got to my bug report:
>
> Hello John,
>
> Thank you for contacting Microsoft Online Customer Service.
>
> I appreciate the time you have taken to provide us with the feedback. 
> As a Customer Service Representative, I can assist you with the 
> support options available with your Microsoft product. You can report 
> bugs by postal mail to the following address:
>
> Attn: Office Development Group
> Microsoft Corporation
> One Microsoft Way
> Redmond, WA 98052
>
> The letter should include a complete description of the bug including 
> the actions, software, and hardware associated with the bug and 
> whether or not it is consistently reproducible.
>
> You may also contact Microsoft Customer Service and speak with a 
> support professional about the issue and have a support case created. 
> This method will require you to utilize the standard options of 
> support that are available for your copy of Microsoft product 
> initially. Once the support professional is able to determine that the 
> problem is a bug with the software, they will not decrement the 
> incident from warranty support or account or issue a refund of any 
> credit card charges if applicable.
>
> You may contact  Microsoft Developer Support Team at (800) 936-5800. 
> They are available 24 hours a day.  They will be able to assist you.
>
> John, I hope your issue gets resolved.
>
> Thank you for using Microsoft products and services.
>
> Benoy
> Microsoft Online Customer Service Representative
>
> If you have any feedback about your Online Customer Service experience 
> please E-mail my manager Rahul Rajgopal at managers at microsoft.com
>
>
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause: 
> http://folding.stanford.edu/
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sun Aug 14 19:03:49 2005
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 20:03:49 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Bug Report
In-Reply-To: <004901c5a12b$5b23b6a0$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <004a01c5a12c$d61e9a90$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

Because I am an action pack subscriber, and because the problem occurs under
OfficeXp and Windows XP received from them in the Action Pack, I have 2
available support incidents free of charge, which I am using the first of
for this bug report.  We shall see if I get it back.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 7:53 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Bug Report


LOL.  All you have to do is pay them money to tell them about their bugs and
you too can be on a first name basis.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
Beach Access Software
Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 7:51 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Bug Report


You're on a first name basis with Benoy?  Not many of us have that kind of 
clout.

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John W. Colby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 4:41 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Bug Report


> The following is the response I got to my bug report:
>
> Hello John,
>
> Thank you for contacting Microsoft Online Customer Service.
>
> I appreciate the time you have taken to provide us with the feedback.
> As a Customer Service Representative, I can assist you with the 
> support options available with your Microsoft product. You can report 
> bugs by postal mail to the following address:
>
> Attn: Office Development Group
> Microsoft Corporation
> One Microsoft Way
> Redmond, WA 98052
>
> The letter should include a complete description of the bug including
> the actions, software, and hardware associated with the bug and 
> whether or not it is consistently reproducible.
>
> You may also contact Microsoft Customer Service and speak with a
> support professional about the issue and have a support case created. 
> This method will require you to utilize the standard options of 
> support that are available for your copy of Microsoft product 
> initially. Once the support professional is able to determine that the 
> problem is a bug with the software, they will not decrement the 
> incident from warranty support or account or issue a refund of any 
> credit card charges if applicable.
>
> You may contact  Microsoft Developer Support Team at (800) 936-5800.
> They are available 24 hours a day.  They will be able to assist you.
>
> John, I hope your issue gets resolved.
>
> Thank you for using Microsoft products and services.
>
> Benoy
> Microsoft Online Customer Service Representative
>
> If you have any feedback about your Online Customer Service experience
> please E-mail my manager Rahul Rajgopal at managers at microsoft.com
>
>
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
> http://folding.stanford.edu/
>
>
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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Sun Aug 14 19:44:29 2005
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 19:44:29 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Bug Report
In-Reply-To: <18161758.1124063022734.JavaMail.root@sniper15>
Message-ID: <000001c5a132$80bdb440$0300a8c0@danwaters>

Well - MS is really loosening up!  They won't charge you if it really does
turn out to be a bug.  I had to solve my bug myself for them to not charge
me!

Best of Luck!

Dan Waters

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 6:41 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Bug Report

The following is the response I got to my bug report:

Hello John, 
 
Thank you for contacting Microsoft Online Customer Service. 
 
I appreciate the time you have taken to provide us with the feedback.
As a Customer Service Representative, I can assist you with the support
options available with your Microsoft product. You can report bugs by postal
mail to the following address: 
 
Attn: Office Development Group
Microsoft Corporation
One Microsoft Way
Redmond, WA 98052
 
The letter should include a complete description of the bug including the
actions, software, and hardware associated with the bug and whether or not
it is consistently reproducible. 
 
You may also contact Microsoft Customer Service and speak with a support
professional about the issue and have a support case created. This method
will require you to utilize the standard options of support that are
available for your copy of Microsoft product initially. Once the support
professional is able to determine that the problem is a bug with the
software, they will not decrement the incident from warranty support or
account or issue a refund of any credit card charges if applicable. 
 
You may contact  Microsoft Developer Support Team at (800) 936-5800. They
are available 24 hours a day.  They will be able to assist you. 
 
John, I hope your issue gets resolved.
 
Thank you for using Microsoft products and services. 

Benoy
Microsoft Online Customer Service Representative

If you have any feedback about your Online Customer Service experience
please E-mail my manager Rahul Rajgopal at managers at microsoft.com
 
 

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sun Aug 14 19:52:30 2005
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 20:52:30 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Bug Report
In-Reply-To: <000001c5a132$80bdb440$0300a8c0@danwaters>
Message-ID: <004c01c5a133$9d38da40$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

LOL.  There is no resolving this bug.  Access just shuts down.  Step through
the code and hit one specific line it just closes.  Not exactly something I
can fix.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 8:44 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Bug Report


Well - MS is really loosening up!  They won't charge you if it really does
turn out to be a bug.  I had to solve my bug myself for them to not charge
me!

Best of Luck!

Dan Waters

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 6:41 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Bug Report

The following is the response I got to my bug report:

Hello John, 
 
Thank you for contacting Microsoft Online Customer Service. 
 
I appreciate the time you have taken to provide us with the feedback. As a
Customer Service Representative, I can assist you with the support options
available with your Microsoft product. You can report bugs by postal mail to
the following address: 
 
Attn: Office Development Group
Microsoft Corporation
One Microsoft Way
Redmond, WA 98052
 
The letter should include a complete description of the bug including the
actions, software, and hardware associated with the bug and whether or not
it is consistently reproducible. 
 
You may also contact Microsoft Customer Service and speak with a support
professional about the issue and have a support case created. This method
will require you to utilize the standard options of support that are
available for your copy of Microsoft product initially. Once the support
professional is able to determine that the problem is a bug with the
software, they will not decrement the incident from warranty support or
account or issue a refund of any credit card charges if applicable. 
 
You may contact  Microsoft Developer Support Team at (800) 936-5800. They
are available 24 hours a day.  They will be able to assist you. 
 
John, I hope your issue gets resolved.
 
Thank you for using Microsoft products and services. 

Benoy
Microsoft Online Customer Service Representative

If you have any feedback about your Online Customer Service experience
please E-mail my manager Rahul Rajgopal at managers at microsoft.com
 
 

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Mon Aug 15 01:22:15 2005
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 23:22:15 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Bug Report
References: <004a01c5a12c$d61e9a90$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <02d301c5a161$ae37a870$6501a8c0@HAL9004>

I subscribed to the Action Pack as well this year.  Is there any advantage 
to subscribing every year?

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John W. Colby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 5:03 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Bug Report


> Because I am an action pack subscriber, and because the problem occurs 
> under
> OfficeXp and Windows XP received from them in the Action Pack, I have 2
> available support incidents free of charge, which I am using the first of
> for this bug report.  We shall see if I get it back.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
> http://folding.stanford.edu/
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby
> Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 7:53 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Bug Report
>
>
> LOL.  All you have to do is pay them money to tell them about their bugs 
> and
> you too can be on a first name basis.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
> http://folding.stanford.edu/
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
> Beach Access Software
> Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 7:51 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Bug Report
>
>
> You're on a first name basis with Benoy?  Not many of us have that kind of
> clout.
>
> Rocky
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "John W. Colby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 4:41 PM
> Subject: [AccessD] Bug Report
>
>
>> The following is the response I got to my bug report:
>>
>> Hello John,
>>
>> Thank you for contacting Microsoft Online Customer Service.
>>
>> I appreciate the time you have taken to provide us with the feedback.
>> As a Customer Service Representative, I can assist you with the
>> support options available with your Microsoft product. You can report
>> bugs by postal mail to the following address:
>>
>> Attn: Office Development Group
>> Microsoft Corporation
>> One Microsoft Way
>> Redmond, WA 98052
>>
>> The letter should include a complete description of the bug including
>> the actions, software, and hardware associated with the bug and
>> whether or not it is consistently reproducible.
>>
>> You may also contact Microsoft Customer Service and speak with a
>> support professional about the issue and have a support case created.
>> This method will require you to utilize the standard options of
>> support that are available for your copy of Microsoft product
>> initially. Once the support professional is able to determine that the
>> problem is a bug with the software, they will not decrement the
>> incident from warranty support or account or issue a refund of any
>> credit card charges if applicable.
>>
>> You may contact  Microsoft Developer Support Team at (800) 936-5800.
>> They are available 24 hours a day.  They will be able to assist you.
>>
>> John, I hope your issue gets resolved.
>>
>> Thank you for using Microsoft products and services.
>>
>> Benoy
>> Microsoft Online Customer Service Representative
>>
>> If you have any feedback about your Online Customer Service experience
>> please E-mail my manager Rahul Rajgopal at managers at microsoft.com
>>
>>
>>
>> John W. Colby
>> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>>
>> Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
>> http://folding.stanford.edu/
>>
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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Mon Aug 15 01:23:23 2005
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 23:23:23 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Bug Report
References: <004c01c5a133$9d38da40$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <02da01c5a161$d6d2b540$6501a8c0@HAL9004>

I was away on vacation last week and missed the description of the bug. 
Could you repost the original?

Thanks.

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John W. Colby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 5:52 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Bug Report


> LOL.  There is no resolving this bug.  Access just shuts down.  Step 
> through
> the code and hit one specific line it just closes.  Not exactly something 
> I
> can fix.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
> http://folding.stanford.edu/
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
> Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 8:44 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Bug Report
>
>
> Well - MS is really loosening up!  They won't charge you if it really does
> turn out to be a bug.  I had to solve my bug myself for them to not charge
> me!
>
> Best of Luck!
>
> Dan Waters
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby
> Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 6:41 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: [AccessD] Bug Report
>
> The following is the response I got to my bug report:
>
> Hello John,
>
> Thank you for contacting Microsoft Online Customer Service.
>
> I appreciate the time you have taken to provide us with the feedback. As a
> Customer Service Representative, I can assist you with the support options
> available with your Microsoft product. You can report bugs by postal mail 
> to
> the following address:
>
> Attn: Office Development Group
> Microsoft Corporation
> One Microsoft Way
> Redmond, WA 98052
>
> The letter should include a complete description of the bug including the
> actions, software, and hardware associated with the bug and whether or not
> it is consistently reproducible.
>
> You may also contact Microsoft Customer Service and speak with a support
> professional about the issue and have a support case created. This method
> will require you to utilize the standard options of support that are
> available for your copy of Microsoft product initially. Once the support
> professional is able to determine that the problem is a bug with the
> software, they will not decrement the incident from warranty support or
> account or issue a refund of any credit card charges if applicable.
>
> You may contact  Microsoft Developer Support Team at (800) 936-5800. They
> are available 24 hours a day.  They will be able to assist you.
>
> John, I hope your issue gets resolved.
>
> Thank you for using Microsoft products and services.
>
> Benoy
> Microsoft Online Customer Service Representative
>
> If you have any feedback about your Online Customer Service experience
> please E-mail my manager Rahul Rajgopal at managers at microsoft.com
>
>
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
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From DElam at jenkens.com  Mon Aug 15 09:34:40 2005
From: DElam at jenkens.com (Elam, Debbie)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 09:34:40 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Upsize wizard MDB to SQL
Message-ID: <7B1961ED924D1A459E378C9B1BB22B4C0492CC71@natexch.jenkens.com>

The wizard is acceptable, but I have usually found that I need to almost
start from scratch.  The tables migrate beautifully, but the best way to
handle most everything else as far as data sources and pulling specific data
is different.  Concentrate on data handling, that is where the biggest
differences are.  Take advantage of triggers to handle hard data validation
rules, they are more robust than code in forms.  Do as much filtering as
possible on the server side.  Pass through queries can help with this a lot.

Debbie

-----Original Message-----
From: Johncliviger at aol.com [mailto:Johncliviger at aol.com] 
Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2005 6:13 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Upsize wizard MDB to SQL


Hi all
 
I've asked to migrate an Access 2002 BE to SQL 2000 server. Not having  done

this before and not wanting fans and brown stuff to meet. So I 'm looking
for 
a some documentation on this.
 
My initial view is to apply the upsize wizard to the BE and keep  the FE as 
it is and link it via odbc to SQL BE. 
 
Comments and pointers most welcome. 
 
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Aug 15 09:56:19 2005
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 10:56:19 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Bug Report
In-Reply-To: <02da01c5a161$d6d2b540$6501a8c0@HAL9004>
Message-ID: <001001c5a1a9$7eb5dd40$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

I did not post the bug description, however here is what I sent MS:

Dear Sirs,

I am a professional developer using Microsoft Access.  I have a specific
Access front end that has a particular (pretty complex) form  - tfrmClaim -
that when opened sometimes causes Access to close, no warning.  A little
background:

The issue happens both at my client's office and on my development machine
which is a laptop with all the pieces right on the machine.  The application
is a FE/BE split system, with an MDA holding an application framework
(written by me).  The application uses classes and Withevents (a LOT).

My client uses Office 2K.  They have about 40-50 workstations running a
pretty good mix of Windows 98, Windows 2K and Windows XP.  AFAICT the issue
does not occur on Win98 but does occur on Win2K and WinXP.

The system is a call center for the disability insurance industry.  They
search for a claimant, and when found open a very complex form that displays
all aspects of the claim.  This claim form has about 10 tabs, some of which
are hidden.  The tabs load subforms when clicked on etc to reduce loading
time.  All of that information is just background for you to understand the
situation.  

The issue is that the OnOpen event occasionally causes the entire database
to shut down, no warning, no page fault screen nothing.  Just gone.  

I have been able to insert debug statements and find where the shutdown
occurs.  It occurs in the same location every time that the shutdown occurs,
at least until you "do something" (developer code wise).  Unfortunately
because it does not happen every time, it is not possible to step through
the code and watch it close, but it is possible to nail it down to a
specific line of code whenever it does shutdown.

In attempting to troubleshoot this issue, I have done all of the typical
decompile / compact / repair, open a new database and import all the
objects, etc.  One day I spent hours working on it, and watched the shutdown
"move" through the OnOpen event until I finally "pushed it out the end sub"
and it started closing back in the form that opens this complex form (the
search result form) - when control returned to that sub.  I thought I had it
nailed at that point but no, awhile later it was back to shutting down in
the OnCurrent of the tfrmClaim.

My client thinks it has something to do with XPSP3, although it does occur
(much less frequently) on other Oses.  It was happening a LOT on the XP SP3
machines, they backed out the SP3 and the occurrence dropped radically -
from every 30 minutes to once a day or so.  My dev machine (laptop) BTW is
XP SP3 and it happens a lot.  I have not attempted to back out the SP3 and
don't really want to do so.  Also, I have OfficeXP on my dev machine and the
bug also occurs under OfficeXP as well.

The problem will occur on the first search, or the 3rd search or the 10th
search, but rarely less often than every 10 searches - at least on my dev
machine.  It does not appear to be data dependent, i.e. I see no pattern as
to which record(s) triggers the shutdown.

BTW, I have "commented out" my application framework such that most of the
functionality of the MDA is not being run - just trying to narrow down the
issue.  There are about a dozen classes that load in OnOpen of the form,
classes that use WithEvents to handle groups of controls and cause specific
interactions to occur.  I have not yet commented all of them out, although
if I did there would be no code left to run.  ;-)

John W. Colby
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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
Beach Access Software
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 2:23 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Bug Report


I was away on vacation last week and missed the description of the bug. 
Could you repost the original?

Thanks.

Rocky




From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Aug 15 10:26:40 2005
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 08:26:40 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Bug Report
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86873BAB@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Read the EULA, Rocky.  If you DON'T subscribe, then you agree to remove
all the software from your machine.  That's the reason I don't use the
action pack.

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] 
Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 11:22 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Bug Report


I subscribed to the Action Pack as well this year.  Is there any
advantage 
to subscribing every year?

Rocky

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To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 5:03 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Bug Report


> Because I am an action pack subscriber, and because the problem occurs
> under
> OfficeXp and Windows XP received from them in the Action Pack, I have
2
> available support incidents free of charge, which I am using the first
of
> for this bug report.  We shall see if I get it back.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause: 
> http://folding.stanford.edu/
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. 
> Colby
> Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 7:53 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Bug Report
>
>
> LOL.  All you have to do is pay them money to tell them about their 
> bugs
> and
> you too can be on a first name basis.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause: 
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky 
> Smolin - Beach Access Software
> Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 7:51 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Bug Report
>
>
> You're on a first name basis with Benoy?  Not many of us have that 
> kind of clout.
>
> Rocky
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John W. Colby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 4:41 PM
> Subject: [AccessD] Bug Report
>
>
>> The following is the response I got to my bug report:
>>
>> Hello John,
>>
>> Thank you for contacting Microsoft Online Customer Service.
>>
>> I appreciate the time you have taken to provide us with the feedback.

>> As a Customer Service Representative, I can assist you with the 
>> support options available with your Microsoft product. You can report

>> bugs by postal mail to the following address:
>>
>> Attn: Office Development Group
>> Microsoft Corporation
>> One Microsoft Way
>> Redmond, WA 98052
>>
>> The letter should include a complete description of the bug including

>> the actions, software, and hardware associated with the bug and 
>> whether or not it is consistently reproducible.
>>
>> You may also contact Microsoft Customer Service and speak with a 
>> support professional about the issue and have a support case created.

>> This method will require you to utilize the standard options of 
>> support that are available for your copy of Microsoft product 
>> initially. Once the support professional is able to determine that 
>> the problem is a bug with the software, they will not decrement the 
>> incident from warranty support or account or issue a refund of any 
>> credit card charges if applicable.
>>
>> You may contact  Microsoft Developer Support Team at (800) 936-5800. 
>> They are available 24 hours a day.  They will be able to assist you.
>>
>> John, I hope your issue gets resolved.
>>
>> Thank you for using Microsoft products and services.
>>
>> Benoy
>> Microsoft Online Customer Service Representative
>>
>> If you have any feedback about your Online Customer Service 
>> experience please E-mail my manager Rahul Rajgopal at 
>> managers at microsoft.com
>>
>>
>>
>> John W. Colby
>> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>>
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Aug 15 10:29:31 2005
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 08:29:31 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Bug Report
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86873BAC@infoserver01.infostat.local>

I saw behavior like that in one of my apps once, John.  I finally
tracked it down to mixing DAO and ADO, that is, a DAO code block calling
out to an ADO block, or vice versa.  I scrubbed my code thoroughly to
prevent said circumstance and the problem went away.  One of the steps I
took was to rename my routines so that I could tell at a glance whether
they were ADO or DAO.

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 5:52 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Bug Report


LOL.  There is no resolving this bug.  Access just shuts down.  Step
through the code and hit one specific line it just closes.  Not exactly
something I can fix.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 8:44 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Bug Report


Well - MS is really loosening up!  They won't charge you if it really
does turn out to be a bug.  I had to solve my bug myself for them to not
charge me!

Best of Luck!

Dan Waters

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 6:41 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Bug Report

The following is the response I got to my bug report:

Hello John, 
 
Thank you for contacting Microsoft Online Customer Service. 
 
I appreciate the time you have taken to provide us with the feedback. As
a Customer Service Representative, I can assist you with the support
options available with your Microsoft product. You can report bugs by
postal mail to the following address: 
 
Attn: Office Development Group
Microsoft Corporation
One Microsoft Way
Redmond, WA 98052
 
The letter should include a complete description of the bug including
the actions, software, and hardware associated with the bug and whether
or not it is consistently reproducible. 
 
You may also contact Microsoft Customer Service and speak with a support
professional about the issue and have a support case created. This
method will require you to utilize the standard options of support that
are available for your copy of Microsoft product initially. Once the
support professional is able to determine that the problem is a bug with
the software, they will not decrement the incident from warranty support
or account or issue a refund of any credit card charges if applicable. 
 
You may contact  Microsoft Developer Support Team at (800) 936-5800.
They are available 24 hours a day.  They will be able to assist you. 
 
John, I hope your issue gets resolved.
 
Thank you for using Microsoft products and services. 

Benoy
Microsoft Online Customer Service Representative

If you have any feedback about your Online Customer Service experience
please E-mail my manager Rahul Rajgopal at managers at microsoft.com
 
 

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Mon Aug 15 10:36:41 2005
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 08:36:41 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Bug Report
References: <001001c5a1a9$7eb5dd40$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <03d101c5a1af$22966ec0$6501a8c0@HAL9004>

Interesting.  What's your speculation on where it's happening?  In the 
interpretation of your classes?  They obviously have no clue and cannot 
track it down without getting your app and running it themselves.  At first 
it behaves like a bad NIC - I've had apps go south with corruptions and 
shutdowns and traced it to a cheap NIC on the network - but you're running 
this standalone, yes?

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John W. Colby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 7:56 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Bug Report


>I did not post the bug description, however here is what I sent MS:
>
> Dear Sirs,
>
> I am a professional developer using Microsoft Access.  I have a specific
> Access front end that has a particular (pretty complex) form  - 
> tfrmClaim -
> that when opened sometimes causes Access to close, no warning.  A little
> background:
>
> The issue happens both at my client's office and on my development machine
> which is a laptop with all the pieces right on the machine.  The 
> application
> is a FE/BE split system, with an MDA holding an application framework
> (written by me).  The application uses classes and Withevents (a LOT).
>
> My client uses Office 2K.  They have about 40-50 workstations running a
> pretty good mix of Windows 98, Windows 2K and Windows XP.  AFAICT the 
> issue
> does not occur on Win98 but does occur on Win2K and WinXP.
>
> The system is a call center for the disability insurance industry.  They
> search for a claimant, and when found open a very complex form that 
> displays
> all aspects of the claim.  This claim form has about 10 tabs, some of 
> which
> are hidden.  The tabs load subforms when clicked on etc to reduce loading
> time.  All of that information is just background for you to understand 
> the
> situation.
>
> The issue is that the OnOpen event occasionally causes the entire database
> to shut down, no warning, no page fault screen nothing.  Just gone.
>
> I have been able to insert debug statements and find where the shutdown
> occurs.  It occurs in the same location every time that the shutdown 
> occurs,
> at least until you "do something" (developer code wise).  Unfortunately
> because it does not happen every time, it is not possible to step through
> the code and watch it close, but it is possible to nail it down to a
> specific line of code whenever it does shutdown.
>
> In attempting to troubleshoot this issue, I have done all of the typical
> decompile / compact / repair, open a new database and import all the
> objects, etc.  One day I spent hours working on it, and watched the 
> shutdown
> "move" through the OnOpen event until I finally "pushed it out the end 
> sub"
> and it started closing back in the form that opens this complex form (the
> search result form) - when control returned to that sub.  I thought I had 
> it
> nailed at that point but no, awhile later it was back to shutting down in
> the OnCurrent of the tfrmClaim.
>
> My client thinks it has something to do with XPSP3, although it does occur
> (much less frequently) on other Oses.  It was happening a LOT on the XP 
> SP3
> machines, they backed out the SP3 and the occurrence dropped radically -
> from every 30 minutes to once a day or so.  My dev machine (laptop) BTW is
> XP SP3 and it happens a lot.  I have not attempted to back out the SP3 and
> don't really want to do so.  Also, I have OfficeXP on my dev machine and 
> the
> bug also occurs under OfficeXP as well.
>
> The problem will occur on the first search, or the 3rd search or the 10th
> search, but rarely less often than every 10 searches - at least on my dev
> machine.  It does not appear to be data dependent, i.e. I see no pattern 
> as
> to which record(s) triggers the shutdown.
>
> BTW, I have "commented out" my application framework such that most of the
> functionality of the MDA is not being run - just trying to narrow down the
> issue.  There are about a dozen classes that load in OnOpen of the form,
> classes that use WithEvents to handle groups of controls and cause 
> specific
> interactions to occur.  I have not yet commented all of them out, although
> if I did there would be no code left to run.  ;-)
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
> Beach Access Software
> Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 2:23 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Bug Report
>
>
> I was away on vacation last week and missed the description of the bug.
> Could you repost the original?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Rocky
>
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Aug 15 10:46:56 2005
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 08:46:56 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Clear Debug Window Programmatically
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8689A7CD@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Yes, Arthur, you did specify programmatically.  However, since there
isn't any direct way to do it programmatically and you left out the
version information, I answered a different question.  I think you would
have to use code to switch to the immediate window, select all and then
perhaps use a SendKeys {Enter} to remove the existing text.

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Arthur Fuller [mailto:artful at rogers.com] 
Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2005 7:12 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Clear Debug Window Programmatically


I thought that I had explained why I want to do it programmatically, but
in case I didn't or it was missed, I shall repeat: I sprinkle my code
with liberal doses of Debug.Print statements, particularly when
debugging or exploring new corners. I might put a breakpoint on several
statements at the end of a string of such Debug.Print statements. The
window rapidly fills up. I want to be able to do housecleaning at
certain points, such that the debug window contains only the results
since my last housecleaning.

It's not a big deal. I can survive as I have been doing. I simply
wondered whether there was a statement equivalent to clearing the debug
window.

Arthur

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: August 9, 2005 4:35 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Clear Debug Window Programmatically

I realize that you asked for a programmatic method.  However, since the
debug window is only available in the VBE, I didn't see any purpose in a
programmatic method ... In XP and above, of course. <g>  You didn't
indicate the version or WHY you needed it, so it's your own fault if we
wandered off in another direction! LOL

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Aug 15 10:53:08 2005
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 11:53:08 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Bug Report
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86873BAC@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <001501c5a1b1$6e634510$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

Was it the actual line that called the other block?  This one is just "any
old line of code".  It always occurs in the OnOpen of the form, where I am
initializing classes, etc.  By setting up debug.Print statements through the
OnOpen I am able to nail down what exact line of code it is, but it doesn't
occur every time the form opens so it is a pita to step through to actually
watch the close happen.  I have caused the close to move around however,
even "pushing it out the end" of the OnOpen back into the function that
opens the form.  Truly bizarre.

I have seen this kind of stuff before however.  Back when I was working on
C2DbFrameWiz (the error handler insertion wizard) I would get instances
where the code that inserted the code into a module would just cause a
close.  It was very similar, I could "track it down" to a single line of
code.  I could go up to the previous line, type in the same code character
for character, then delete the line causing the code and the problem would
"go away" for awhile.  OTOH, If I cut the line out to the paste buffer and
pasted it back in again, I would still have the issue.  

I am convinced that the source code that you see on the screen has other
things in the text stream, things that are not visible to you, the
developer.  Kind of like the old Word Perfect "show codes" where you would
cause other formatting stuff to appear.  I am convinced that the text stream
gets something embedded in it and once that something is in the string, you
are hosed.

In this case (my current application) I have gone so far as to import the
entire FE into a new blank MDB and the problem still exists.  I do not get
the "corrupted form" kind of thing that occurs with the A2K / AXP vb dll
version issue, i.e. the form module is not "corrupted" at least not
corrupted so badly that it won't export.

This is a bizarre one and very irritating to my users as you might imagine.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 11:30 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Bug Report


I saw behavior like that in one of my apps once, John.  I finally tracked it
down to mixing DAO and ADO, that is, a DAO code block calling out to an ADO
block, or vice versa.  I scrubbed my code thoroughly to prevent said
circumstance and the problem went away.  One of the steps I took was to
rename my routines so that I could tell at a glance whether they were ADO or
DAO.

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 5:52 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Bug Report


LOL.  There is no resolving this bug.  Access just shuts down.  Step through
the code and hit one specific line it just closes.  Not exactly something I
can fix.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 8:44 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Bug Report


Well - MS is really loosening up!  They won't charge you if it really does
turn out to be a bug.  I had to solve my bug myself for them to not charge
me!

Best of Luck!

Dan Waters

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 6:41 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Bug Report

The following is the response I got to my bug report:

Hello John, 
 
Thank you for contacting Microsoft Online Customer Service. 
 
I appreciate the time you have taken to provide us with the feedback. As a
Customer Service Representative, I can assist you with the support options
available with your Microsoft product. You can report bugs by postal mail to
the following address: 
 
Attn: Office Development Group
Microsoft Corporation
One Microsoft Way
Redmond, WA 98052
 
The letter should include a complete description of the bug including the
actions, software, and hardware associated with the bug and whether or not
it is consistently reproducible. 
 
You may also contact Microsoft Customer Service and speak with a support
professional about the issue and have a support case created. This method
will require you to utilize the standard options of support that are
available for your copy of Microsoft product initially. Once the support
professional is able to determine that the problem is a bug with the
software, they will not decrement the incident from warranty support or
account or issue a refund of any credit card charges if applicable. 
 
You may contact  Microsoft Developer Support Team at (800) 936-5800. They
are available 24 hours a day.  They will be able to assist you. 
 
John, I hope your issue gets resolved.
 
Thank you for using Microsoft products and services. 

Benoy
Microsoft Online Customer Service Representative

If you have any feedback about your Online Customer Service experience
please E-mail my manager Rahul Rajgopal at managers at microsoft.com
 
 

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Aug 15 10:59:25 2005
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 08:59:25 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Clear Debug Window Programmatically
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86873BAE@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Arthur,

Here's a link to an older VB routine for this:
http://www.vb-helper.com/howto_clear_debug_window.html
And here's one in VBA, but it requires the extensibility library to
reference the VBE:
http://chrisrae.com/vba/routines/deletetextindebugwindow2.html

Charlotte


-----Original Message-----
From: Arthur Fuller [mailto:artful at rogers.com] 
Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2005 7:12 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Clear Debug Window Programmatically


I thought that I had explained why I want to do it programmatically, but
in case I didn't or it was missed, I shall repeat: I sprinkle my code
with liberal doses of Debug.Print statements, particularly when
debugging or exploring new corners. I might put a breakpoint on several
statements at the end of a string of such Debug.Print statements. The
window rapidly fills up. I want to be able to do housecleaning at
certain points, such that the debug window contains only the results
since my last housecleaning.

It's not a big deal. I can survive as I have been doing. I simply
wondered whether there was a statement equivalent to clearing the debug
window.

Arthur

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: August 9, 2005 4:35 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Clear Debug Window Programmatically

I realize that you asked for a programmatic method.  However, since the
debug window is only available in the VBE, I didn't see any purpose in a
programmatic method ... In XP and above, of course. <g>  You didn't
indicate the version or WHY you needed it, so it's your own fault if we
wandered off in another direction! LOL

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Aug 15 11:03:34 2005
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 09:03:34 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Bug Report
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86873BAF@infoserver01.infostat.local>

If you could track it down to a particular line, you're very thorough.
I couldn't get that close, and I was never sure whether the crash
happened on the call out or when the other routine accepted the call,
since the whole application evaporated and left me looking at the
Windows desktop when it happened.  In my case, the antithetical routine
wasn't necessarily being called directly, it could be several layers
down ... And I had a deadline! LOL

Charlotte Foust


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From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 8:53 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Bug Report


Was it the actual line that called the other block?  This one is just
"any old line of code".  It always occurs in the OnOpen of the form,
where I am initializing classes, etc.  By setting up debug.Print
statements through the OnOpen I am able to nail down what exact line of
code it is, but it doesn't occur every time the form opens so it is a
pita to step through to actually watch the close happen.  I have caused
the close to move around however, even "pushing it out the end" of the
OnOpen back into the function that opens the form.  Truly bizarre.

I have seen this kind of stuff before however.  Back when I was working
on C2DbFrameWiz (the error handler insertion wizard) I would get
instances where the code that inserted the code into a module would just
cause a close.  It was very similar, I could "track it down" to a single
line of code.  I could go up to the previous line, type in the same code
character for character, then delete the line causing the code and the
problem would "go away" for awhile.  OTOH, If I cut the line out to the
paste buffer and pasted it back in again, I would still have the issue.


I am convinced that the source code that you see on the screen has other
things in the text stream, things that are not visible to you, the
developer.  Kind of like the old Word Perfect "show codes" where you
would cause other formatting stuff to appear.  I am convinced that the
text stream gets something embedded in it and once that something is in
the string, you are hosed.

In this case (my current application) I have gone so far as to import
the entire FE into a new blank MDB and the problem still exists.  I do
not get the "corrupted form" kind of thing that occurs with the A2K /
AXP vb dll version issue, i.e. the form module is not "corrupted" at
least not corrupted so badly that it won't export.

This is a bizarre one and very irritating to my users as you might
imagine.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 11:30 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Bug Report


I saw behavior like that in one of my apps once, John.  I finally
tracked it down to mixing DAO and ADO, that is, a DAO code block calling
out to an ADO block, or vice versa.  I scrubbed my code thoroughly to
prevent said circumstance and the problem went away.  One of the steps I
took was to rename my routines so that I could tell at a glance whether
they were ADO or DAO.

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 5:52 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Bug Report


LOL.  There is no resolving this bug.  Access just shuts down.  Step
through the code and hit one specific line it just closes.  Not exactly
something I can fix.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 8:44 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Bug Report


Well - MS is really loosening up!  They won't charge you if it really
does turn out to be a bug.  I had to solve my bug myself for them to not
charge me!

Best of Luck!

Dan Waters

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 6:41 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Bug Report

The following is the response I got to my bug report:

Hello John, 
 
Thank you for contacting Microsoft Online Customer Service. 
 
I appreciate the time you have taken to provide us with the feedback. As
a Customer Service Representative, I can assist you with the support
options available with your Microsoft product. You can report bugs by
postal mail to the following address: 
 
Attn: Office Development Group
Microsoft Corporation
One Microsoft Way
Redmond, WA 98052
 
The letter should include a complete description of the bug including
the actions, software, and hardware associated with the bug and whether
or not it is consistently reproducible. 
 
You may also contact Microsoft Customer Service and speak with a support
professional about the issue and have a support case created. This
method will require you to utilize the standard options of support that
are available for your copy of Microsoft product initially. Once the
support professional is able to determine that the problem is a bug with
the software, they will not decrement the incident from warranty support
or account or issue a refund of any credit card charges if applicable. 
 
You may contact  Microsoft Developer Support Team at (800) 936-5800.
They are available 24 hours a day.  They will be able to assist you. 
 
John, I hope your issue gets resolved.
 
Thank you for using Microsoft products and services. 

Benoy
Microsoft Online Customer Service Representative

If you have any feedback about your Online Customer Service experience
please E-mail my manager Rahul Rajgopal at managers at microsoft.com
 
 

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From jimdettman at earthlink.net  Mon Aug 15 11:08:51 2005
From: jimdettman at earthlink.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 12:08:51 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Bug Report
In-Reply-To: <001501c5a1b1$6e634510$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <NDEALJOEGMMPCDKIFGNFKEHEEKAA.jimdettman@earthlink.net>

John,

  I've seen what your seeing.  I've also had cases where code breaks on a
line where a breakpoint was but is no longer after the code has been changed
(lines inserted or deleted).  I've even had it break on *blank* lines in
some cases<g>.  I can push the lines around as you say and watch things
change.

<<I am convinced that the source code that you see on the screen has other
things in the text stream, things that are not visible to you, the
developer. >>

  Basically it boils down to the fact that the source code is out of synch
with the p-code or as your saying, the p-code is hosed.  Since they are
stored separately, it is easy for this to happen.

 Good time to use /decompile<g>.

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 11:53 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Bug Report


Was it the actual line that called the other block?  This one is just "any
old line of code".  It always occurs in the OnOpen of the form, where I am
initializing classes, etc.  By setting up debug.Print statements through the
OnOpen I am able to nail down what exact line of code it is, but it doesn't
occur every time the form opens so it is a pita to step through to actually
watch the close happen.  I have caused the close to move around however,
even "pushing it out the end" of the OnOpen back into the function that
opens the form.  Truly bizarre.

I have seen this kind of stuff before however.  Back when I was working on
C2DbFrameWiz (the error handler insertion wizard) I would get instances
where the code that inserted the code into a module would just cause a
close.  It was very similar, I could "track it down" to a single line of
code.  I could go up to the previous line, type in the same code character
for character, then delete the line causing the code and the problem would
"go away" for awhile.  OTOH, If I cut the line out to the paste buffer and
pasted it back in again, I would still have the issue.

I am convinced that the source code that you see on the screen has other
things in the text stream, things that are not visible to you, the
developer.  Kind of like the old Word Perfect "show codes" where you would
cause other formatting stuff to appear.  I am convinced that the text stream
gets something embedded in it and once that something is in the string, you
are hosed.

In this case (my current application) I have gone so far as to import the
entire FE into a new blank MDB and the problem still exists.  I do not get
the "corrupted form" kind of thing that occurs with the A2K / AXP vb dll
version issue, i.e. the form module is not "corrupted" at least not
corrupted so badly that it won't export.

This is a bizarre one and very irritating to my users as you might imagine.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 11:30 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Bug Report


I saw behavior like that in one of my apps once, John.  I finally tracked it
down to mixing DAO and ADO, that is, a DAO code block calling out to an ADO
block, or vice versa.  I scrubbed my code thoroughly to prevent said
circumstance and the problem went away.  One of the steps I took was to
rename my routines so that I could tell at a glance whether they were ADO or
DAO.

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 5:52 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Bug Report


LOL.  There is no resolving this bug.  Access just shuts down.  Step through
the code and hit one specific line it just closes.  Not exactly something I
can fix.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 8:44 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Bug Report


Well - MS is really loosening up!  They won't charge you if it really does
turn out to be a bug.  I had to solve my bug myself for them to not charge
me!

Best of Luck!

Dan Waters

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 6:41 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Bug Report

The following is the response I got to my bug report:

Hello John,

Thank you for contacting Microsoft Online Customer Service.

I appreciate the time you have taken to provide us with the feedback. As a
Customer Service Representative, I can assist you with the support options
available with your Microsoft product. You can report bugs by postal mail to
the following address:

Attn: Office Development Group
Microsoft Corporation
One Microsoft Way
Redmond, WA 98052

The letter should include a complete description of the bug including the
actions, software, and hardware associated with the bug and whether or not
it is consistently reproducible.

You may also contact Microsoft Customer Service and speak with a support
professional about the issue and have a support case created. This method
will require you to utilize the standard options of support that are
available for your copy of Microsoft product initially. Once the support
professional is able to determine that the problem is a bug with the
software, they will not decrement the incident from warranty support or
account or issue a refund of any credit card charges if applicable.

You may contact  Microsoft Developer Support Team at (800) 936-5800. They
are available 24 hours a day.  They will be able to assist you.

John, I hope your issue gets resolved.

Thank you for using Microsoft products and services.

Benoy
Microsoft Online Customer Service Representative

If you have any feedback about your Online Customer Service experience
please E-mail my manager Rahul Rajgopal at managers at microsoft.com



John W. Colby
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From Johncliviger at aol.com  Mon Aug 15 11:10:35 2005
From: Johncliviger at aol.com (Johncliviger at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 12:10:35 EDT
Subject: [AccessD] Upsize wizard MDB to SQL
Message-ID: <cf.2ee31f12.3032187b@aol.com>

Thanks Debbie for your comments
 
johnc


From bchacc at san.rr.com  Mon Aug 15 11:13:38 2005
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 09:13:38 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Bug Report
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86873BAB@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <03da01c5a1b4$4c166b10$6501a8c0@HAL9004>

D'oh!

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 8:26 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Bug Report


> Read the EULA, Rocky.  If you DON'T subscribe, then you agree to remove
> all the software from your machine.  That's the reason I don't use the
> action pack.
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 11:22 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Bug Report
>
>
> I subscribed to the Action Pack as well this year.  Is there any
> advantage
> to subscribing every year?
>
> Rocky
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "John W. Colby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 5:03 PM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Bug Report
>
>
>> Because I am an action pack subscriber, and because the problem occurs
>> under
>> OfficeXp and Windows XP received from them in the Action Pack, I have
> 2
>> available support incidents free of charge, which I am using the first
> of
>> for this bug report.  We shall see if I get it back.
>>
>> John W. Colby
>> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>>
>> Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
>> http://folding.stanford.edu/
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W.
>> Colby
>> Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 7:53 PM
>> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Bug Report
>>
>>
>> LOL.  All you have to do is pay them money to tell them about their
>> bugs
>> and
>> you too can be on a first name basis.
>>
>> John W. Colby
>> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>>
>> Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
>> http://folding.stanford.edu/
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky
>> Smolin - Beach Access Software
>> Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 7:51 PM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Bug Report
>>
>>
>> You're on a first name basis with Benoy?  Not many of us have that
>> kind of clout.
>>
>> Rocky
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "John W. Colby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
>> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
>> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 4:41 PM
>> Subject: [AccessD] Bug Report
>>
>>
>>> The following is the response I got to my bug report:
>>>
>>> Hello John,
>>>
>>> Thank you for contacting Microsoft Online Customer Service.
>>>
>>> I appreciate the time you have taken to provide us with the feedback.
>
>>> As a Customer Service Representative, I can assist you with the
>>> support options available with your Microsoft product. You can report
>
>>> bugs by postal mail to the following address:
>>>
>>> Attn: Office Development Group
>>> Microsoft Corporation
>>> One Microsoft Way
>>> Redmond, WA 98052
>>>
>>> The letter should include a complete description of the bug including
>
>>> the actions, software, and hardware associated with the bug and
>>> whether or not it is consistently reproducible.
>>>
>>> You may also contact Microsoft Customer Service and speak with a
>>> support professional about the issue and have a support case created.
>
>>> This method will require you to utilize the standard options of
>>> support that are available for your copy of Microsoft product
>>> initially. Once the support professional is able to determine that
>>> the problem is a bug with the software, they will not decrement the
>>> incident from warranty support or account or issue a refund of any
>>> credit card charges if applicable.
>>>
>>> You may contact  Microsoft Developer Support Team at (800) 936-5800.
>>> They are available 24 hours a day.  They will be able to assist you.
>>>
>>> John, I hope your issue gets resolved.
>>>
>>> Thank you for using Microsoft products and services.
>>>
>>> Benoy
>>> Microsoft Online Customer Service Representative
>>>
>>> If you have any feedback about your Online Customer Service
>>> experience please E-mail my manager Rahul Rajgopal at
>>> managers at microsoft.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> John W. Colby
>>> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>>>
>>> Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
>>> http://folding.stanford.edu/
>>>
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Aug 15 11:19:20 2005
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 12:19:20 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Bug Report
In-Reply-To: <NDEALJOEGMMPCDKIFGNFKEHEEKAA.jimdettman@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <001601c5a1b5$176c1940$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

>I've also had cases where code breaks on a line where a breakpoint was but
is no longer after the code has been changed (lines inserted or deleted).

Yea, I've seen this too.  Breaks even though the breakbpoint was removed.  I
think it is the same issue, i.e. "invisible stuff" in the source code that
is not properly stripped out.  

Unfortunately /decompile does not help in this case.  All that /decompile
does is throw out the pcode stream forcing a recompile of the entire source
code stream.  If the source stream is bad then the next compile will just
recreate the bad pcode.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 12:09 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Bug Report


John,

  I've seen what your seeing.  I've also had cases where code breaks on a
line where a breakpoint was but is no longer after the code has been changed
(lines inserted or deleted).  I've even had it break on *blank* lines in
some cases<g>.  I can push the lines around as you say and watch things
change.

<<I am convinced that the source code that you see on the screen has other
things in the text stream, things that are not visible to you, the
developer. >>

  Basically it boils down to the fact that the source code is out of synch
with the p-code or as your saying, the p-code is hosed.  Since they are
stored separately, it is easy for this to happen.

 Good time to use /decompile<g>.

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 11:53 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Bug Report


Was it the actual line that called the other block?  This one is just "any
old line of code".  It always occurs in the OnOpen of the form, where I am
initializing classes, etc.  By setting up debug.Print statements through the
OnOpen I am able to nail down what exact line of code it is, but it doesn't
occur every time the form opens so it is a pita to step through to actually
watch the close happen.  I have caused the close to move around however,
even "pushing it out the end" of the OnOpen back into the function that
opens the form.  Truly bizarre.

I have seen this kind of stuff before however.  Back when I was working on
C2DbFrameWiz (the error handler insertion wizard) I would get instances
where the code that inserted the code into a module would just cause a
close.  It was very similar, I could "track it down" to a single line of
code.  I could go up to the previous line, type in the same code character
for character, then delete the line causing the code and the problem would
"go away" for awhile.  OTOH, If I cut the line out to the paste buffer and
pasted it back in again, I would still have the issue.

I am convinced that the source code that you see on the screen has other
things in the text stream, things that are not visible to you, the
developer.  Kind of like the old Word Perfect "show codes" where you would
cause other formatting stuff to appear.  I am convinced that the text stream
gets something embedded in it and once that something is in the string, you
are hosed.

In this case (my current application) I have gone so far as to import the
entire FE into a new blank MDB and the problem still exists.  I do not get
the "corrupted form" kind of thing that occurs with the A2K / AXP vb dll
version issue, i.e. the form module is not "corrupted" at least not
corrupted so badly that it won't export.

This is a bizarre one and very irritating to my users as you might imagine.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 11:30 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Bug Report


I saw behavior like that in one of my apps once, John.  I finally tracked it
down to mixing DAO and ADO, that is, a DAO code block calling out to an ADO
block, or vice versa.  I scrubbed my code thoroughly to prevent said
circumstance and the problem went away.  One of the steps I took was to
rename my routines so that I could tell at a glance whether they were ADO or
DAO.

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 5:52 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Bug Report


LOL.  There is no resolving this bug.  Access just shuts down.  Step through
the code and hit one specific line it just closes.  Not exactly something I
can fix.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 8:44 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Bug Report


Well - MS is really loosening up!  They won't charge you if it really does
turn out to be a bug.  I had to solve my bug myself for them to not charge
me!

Best of Luck!

Dan Waters

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 6:41 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Bug Report

The following is the response I got to my bug report:

Hello John,

Thank you for contacting Microsoft Online Customer Service.

I appreciate the time you have taken to provide us with the feedback. As a
Customer Service Representative, I can assist you with the support options
available with your Microsoft product. You can report bugs by postal mail to
the following address:

Attn: Office Development Group
Microsoft Corporation
One Microsoft Way
Redmond, WA 98052

The letter should include a complete description of the bug including the
actions, software, and hardware associated with the bug and whether or not
it is consistently reproducible.

You may also contact Microsoft Customer Service and speak with a support
professional about the issue and have a support case created. This method
will require you to utilize the standard options of support that are
available for your copy of Microsoft product initially. Once the support
professional is able to determine that the problem is a bug with the
software, they will not decrement the incident from warranty support or
account or issue a refund of any credit card charges if applicable.

You may contact  Microsoft Developer Support Team at (800) 936-5800. They
are available 24 hours a day.  They will be able to assist you.

John, I hope your issue gets resolved.

Thank you for using Microsoft products and services.

Benoy
Microsoft Online Customer Service Representative

If you have any feedback about your Online Customer Service experience
please E-mail my manager Rahul Rajgopal at managers at microsoft.com



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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Aug 15 11:24:36 2005
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 12:24:36 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Bug Report
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86873BAB@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <001701c5a1b5$d3cf7c30$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

OTOH, how much would it cost to buy 10 licenses to Windows XP Pro, OfficeXP
Pro, and SQL Server with 10 CALs?  I think that paying 300 / year is
waaaaaaay cheaper than paying all of those licenses, even if you have to
subscribe for many years.  If you use any of the other programs in the
Action pack, the balance tips even further towards the Action Pack side.

I have 6 machines in my Home Office, all of which have Windows XP Pro.  All
have OfficeXP Pro installed, although only 3 really need it.  Three have SQL
Server installed although only one really needs it.  My dev work could use
the free version.  

Anyway, it made sense for me.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 11:27 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Bug Report


Read the EULA, Rocky.  If you DON'T subscribe, then you agree to remove all
the software from your machine.  That's the reason I don't use the action
pack.

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] 
Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 11:22 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Bug Report


I subscribed to the Action Pack as well this year.  Is there any advantage 
to subscribing every year?

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John W. Colby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 5:03 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Bug Report


> Because I am an action pack subscriber, and because the problem occurs 
> under OfficeXp and Windows XP received from them in the Action Pack, I 
> have
2
> available support incidents free of charge, which I am using the first
of
> for this bug report.  We shall see if I get it back.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
> http://folding.stanford.edu/
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W.
> Colby
> Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 7:53 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Bug Report
>
>
> LOL.  All you have to do is pay them money to tell them about their
> bugs
> and
> you too can be on a first name basis.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
> http://folding.stanford.edu/
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky
> Smolin - Beach Access Software
> Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 7:51 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Bug Report
>
>
> You're on a first name basis with Benoy?  Not many of us have that
> kind of clout.
>
> Rocky
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John W. Colby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 4:41 PM
> Subject: [AccessD] Bug Report
>
>
>> The following is the response I got to my bug report:
>>
>> Hello John,
>>
>> Thank you for contacting Microsoft Online Customer Service.
>>
>> I appreciate the time you have taken to provide us with the feedback.

>> As a Customer Service Representative, I can assist you with the
>> support options available with your Microsoft product. You can report

>> bugs by postal mail to the following address:
>>
>> Attn: Office Development Group
>> Microsoft Corporation
>> One Microsoft Way
>> Redmond, WA 98052
>>
>> The letter should include a complete description of the bug including

>> the actions, software, and hardware associated with the bug and
>> whether or not it is consistently reproducible.
>>
>> You may also contact Microsoft Customer Service and speak with a
>> support professional about the issue and have a support case created.

>> This method will require you to utilize the standard options of
>> support that are available for your copy of Microsoft product 
>> initially. Once the support professional is able to determine that 
>> the problem is a bug with the software, they will not decrement the 
>> incident from warranty support or account or issue a refund of any 
>> credit card charges if applicable.
>>
>> You may contact  Microsoft Developer Support Team at (800) 936-5800.
>> They are available 24 hours a day.  They will be able to assist you.
>>
>> John, I hope your issue gets resolved.
>>
>> Thank you for using Microsoft products and services.
>>
>> Benoy
>> Microsoft Online Customer Service Representative
>>
>> If you have any feedback about your Online Customer Service
>> experience please E-mail my manager Rahul Rajgopal at 
>> managers at microsoft.com
>>
>>
>>
>> John W. Colby
>> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>>
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>> http://folding.stanford.edu/
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Aug 15 11:29:26 2005
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 12:29:26 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Bug Report
In-Reply-To: <03d101c5a1af$22966ec0$6501a8c0@HAL9004>
Message-ID: <001801c5a1b6$80e3a6d0$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

Rocky, 

This is indeed fascinating.  I am at a loss on this one.  I am no
lightweight at this stuff and I just can't figure it out.  I know that the
Windows98 users do not have the problem, the Win2K users do see it but
rarely, the WinXP users see it occasionally, and apparently more often with
SP3.  So is it an Access bug or a Windows bug?

In this specific case (the only place I am seeing it), it is in the OnOpen
of this one specific form.  The form is a bound form, VERY complex, with
probably 50-100 controls.  18 tabs using JIT subforms to only load the
subforms if the tabs are clicked.  

The form has a clsForm that ties the form into my framework.  That class
passes a pointer to the form into the class and the class then iterates the
form for every control, loading a withevents class for each control found.
I have however commented out that specific class such that the framework is
not triggered for the form and the problem still exists.

In addition to that class, I also have 9 other classes loading, mostly
classes that are passed in controls and enforce rules regarding sets of
controls.  I have not yet dimmed out those classes to see if the issue goes
away.

And yes, it also occurs on my laptop where the FE/BE are both on the same
machine.  HOWEVER, the BE (and FE for that matter) resides on a mapped
(mounted) drive.  On my laptop I use an encryption program to set up a big
file which is "turned into a drive".  IOW, this file is mounted as a drive
by a driver.  The driver asks for a password before mounting the "drive".  I
do this so that I can carry sensitive customer data on my machine without
exposing the data if the laptop is lost or stolen.  Furthermore I can just
backup the source file that is a drive, to backup the entire development
drive.

These drives are mounted as drive K, M and X.  Does that count as a network
drive?  The driver performs the mounting at specific drive letters.

Anyway, it is not AFAIK going out over the network, so I do not think it is
a NIC problem.

This is NOT going to be easy for them to troubleshoot.  The BE is now
approaching 400 mbytes and contains sensitive personal and medical data on
tens of thousands of people.  I am guessing that if they are going to do it
at all they will have to remote in to my laptop at my office and work on it
remotely.  It should be interesting to see what happens.

Just in...  I got this email this morning:

CASE_ID_NUM: SRZ050815000001
MESSAGE: 
********************** The message for you follows ************************
Hi John, 
 
          Thank you for using Microsoft Online Assisted Support.  In order
to route your case to a Support Professional we will need to re-entitle your
case. The product ID that you supplied indicates that your software came
part of an Open License Agreement. This is a special license agreement tha t
your company purchased so they could obtain many copies of the software at a
significant cost savings. This allows your company to save money by
purchasing the software in volume.  However, the software does not come with
any free technical support.  If you would like to have a support profession
al troubleshoot your issue, we must process a retail PID for Office
(w/Access), an access ID identifying a pre-paid support account, or a credit
card charge ($99 over the web, $245 over the phone).

IOW, the action pack does not get free support incidents.  Sigh.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
Beach Access Software
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 11:37 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Bug Report


Interesting.  What's your speculation on where it's happening?  In the 
interpretation of your classes?  They obviously have no clue and cannot 
track it down without getting your app and running it themselves.  At first 
it behaves like a bad NIC - I've had apps go south with corruptions and 
shutdowns and traced it to a cheap NIC on the network - but you're running 
this standalone, yes?

Rocky




From cyx5 at cdc.gov  Mon Aug 15 11:30:06 2005
From: cyx5 at cdc.gov (Nicholson, Karen)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 12:30:06 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access Bugs
Message-ID: <A5B5AA20555F594BA7B6BD2048E49E4376FE16@m-niosh-5.niosh.cdc.gov>

Here is a good one.  I have Access 2003 with an SQL 2000 backend.  Many
of my subforms are based on queries.  The data was not updating the
correct record.  After going nuts for a few weeks. I find it is a bug.
nice.


http://support.microsoft.com/kb/903074/en-us?spid=2509



From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Aug 15 11:33:53 2005
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 09:33:53 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Bug Report
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86873BB1@infoserver01.infostat.local>

It definitely makes sense for you, as it does for our office.  It just
doesn't make sense for me personally, even though I'm a Microsoft
Partner too.  I can't use all those apps, will never load them and can't
be bothered to keep them straight from the full licenses I hold.

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 9:25 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Bug Report


OTOH, how much would it cost to buy 10 licenses to Windows XP Pro,
OfficeXP Pro, and SQL Server with 10 CALs?  I think that paying 300 /
year is waaaaaaay cheaper than paying all of those licenses, even if you
have to subscribe for many years.  If you use any of the other programs
in the Action pack, the balance tips even further towards the Action
Pack side.

I have 6 machines in my Home Office, all of which have Windows XP Pro.
All have OfficeXP Pro installed, although only 3 really need it.  Three
have SQL Server installed although only one really needs it.  My dev
work could use the free version.  

Anyway, it made sense for me.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 11:27 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Bug Report


Read the EULA, Rocky.  If you DON'T subscribe, then you agree to remove
all the software from your machine.  That's the reason I don't use the
action pack.

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] 
Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 11:22 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Bug Report


I subscribed to the Action Pack as well this year.  Is there any
advantage 
to subscribing every year?

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John W. Colby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 5:03 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Bug Report


> Because I am an action pack subscriber, and because the problem occurs
> under OfficeXp and Windows XP received from them in the Action Pack, I

> have
2
> available support incidents free of charge, which I am using the first
of
> for this bug report.  We shall see if I get it back.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause: 
> http://folding.stanford.edu/
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. 
> Colby
> Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 7:53 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Bug Report
>
>
> LOL.  All you have to do is pay them money to tell them about their 
> bugs and
> you too can be on a first name basis.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause: 
> http://folding.stanford.edu/
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky 
> Smolin - Beach Access Software
> Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 7:51 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Bug Report
>
>
> You're on a first name basis with Benoy?  Not many of us have that 
> kind of clout.
>
> Rocky
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John W. Colby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 4:41 PM
> Subject: [AccessD] Bug Report
>
>
>> The following is the response I got to my bug report:
>>
>> Hello John,
>>
>> Thank you for contacting Microsoft Online Customer Service.
>>
>> I appreciate the time you have taken to provide us with the feedback.

>> As a Customer Service Representative, I can assist you with the 
>> support options available with your Microsoft product. You can report

>> bugs by postal mail to the following address:
>>
>> Attn: Office Development Group
>> Microsoft Corporation
>> One Microsoft Way
>> Redmond, WA 98052
>>
>> The letter should include a complete description of the bug including

>> the actions, software, and hardware associated with the bug and 
>> whether or not it is consistently reproducible.
>>
>> You may also contact Microsoft Customer Service and speak with a 
>> support professional about the issue and have a support case created.

>> This method will require you to utilize the standard options of 
>> support that are available for your copy of Microsoft product 
>> initially. Once the support professional is able to determine that 
>> the problem is a bug with the software, they will not decrement the 
>> incident from warranty support or account or issue a refund of any 
>> credit card charges if applicable.
>>
>> You may contact  Microsoft Developer Support Team at (800) 936-5800. 
>> They are available 24 hours a day.  They will be able to assist you.
>>
>> John, I hope your issue gets resolved.
>>
>> Thank you for using Microsoft products and services.
>>
>> Benoy
>> Microsoft Online Customer Service Representative
>>
>> If you have any feedback about your Online Customer Service 
>> experience please E-mail my manager Rahul Rajgopal at 
>> managers at microsoft.com
>>
>>
>>
>> John W. Colby
>> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>>
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>> http://folding.stanford.edu/
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Aug 15 11:41:15 2005
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 09:41:15 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] ActionPack Tech Support
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86873BB3@infoserver01.infostat.local>

John,

I believe we've used their free tech support, but perhaps it is
associated with the kind of partner you are rather than the action pack
itself.  I wasn't the one doing the calling, so I can't say for sure.

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 9:29 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Bug Report


Rocky, 

This is indeed fascinating.  I am at a loss on this one.  I am no
lightweight at this stuff and I just can't figure it out.  I know that
the Windows98 users do not have the problem, the Win2K users do see it
but rarely, the WinXP users see it occasionally, and apparently more
often with SP3.  So is it an Access bug or a Windows bug?

In this specific case (the only place I am seeing it), it is in the
OnOpen of this one specific form.  The form is a bound form, VERY
complex, with probably 50-100 controls.  18 tabs using JIT subforms to
only load the subforms if the tabs are clicked.  

The form has a clsForm that ties the form into my framework.  That class
passes a pointer to the form into the class and the class then iterates
the form for every control, loading a withevents class for each control
found. I have however commented out that specific class such that the
framework is not triggered for the form and the problem still exists.

In addition to that class, I also have 9 other classes loading, mostly
classes that are passed in controls and enforce rules regarding sets of
controls.  I have not yet dimmed out those classes to see if the issue
goes away.

And yes, it also occurs on my laptop where the FE/BE are both on the
same machine.  HOWEVER, the BE (and FE for that matter) resides on a
mapped
(mounted) drive.  On my laptop I use an encryption program to set up a
big file which is "turned into a drive".  IOW, this file is mounted as a
drive by a driver.  The driver asks for a password before mounting the
"drive".  I do this so that I can carry sensitive customer data on my
machine without exposing the data if the laptop is lost or stolen.
Furthermore I can just backup the source file that is a drive, to backup
the entire development drive.

These drives are mounted as drive K, M and X.  Does that count as a
network drive?  The driver performs the mounting at specific drive
letters.

Anyway, it is not AFAIK going out over the network, so I do not think it
is a NIC problem.

This is NOT going to be easy for them to troubleshoot.  The BE is now
approaching 400 mbytes and contains sensitive personal and medical data
on tens of thousands of people.  I am guessing that if they are going to
do it at all they will have to remote in to my laptop at my office and
work on it remotely.  It should be interesting to see what happens.

Just in...  I got this email this morning:

CASE_ID_NUM: SRZ050815000001
MESSAGE: 
********************** The message for you follows
************************ Hi John, 
 
          Thank you for using Microsoft Online Assisted Support.  In
order to route your case to a Support Professional we will need to
re-entitle your case. The product ID that you supplied indicates that
your software came part of an Open License Agreement. This is a special
license agreement tha t your company purchased so they could obtain many
copies of the software at a significant cost savings. This allows your
company to save money by purchasing the software in volume.  However,
the software does not come with any free technical support.  If you
would like to have a support profession al troubleshoot your issue, we
must process a retail PID for Office (w/Access), an access ID
identifying a pre-paid support account, or a credit card charge ($99
over the web, $245 over the phone).

IOW, the action pack does not get free support incidents.  Sigh.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
- Beach Access Software
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 11:37 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Bug Report


Interesting.  What's your speculation on where it's happening?  In the 
interpretation of your classes?  They obviously have no clue and cannot 
track it down without getting your app and running it themselves.  At
first 
it behaves like a bad NIC - I've had apps go south with corruptions and 
shutdowns and traced it to a cheap NIC on the network - but you're
running 
this standalone, yes?

Rocky


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From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Mon Aug 15 11:41:58 2005
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps - IT Helps)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 18:41:58 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Access Bugs
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF1B5DDB@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

So if I understand correctly, all of your data is a mess right now???
Men can become woman and a 16 year old kid can become 86 thanks to this
bug.

Should somebody shoot someone for this???

How can one trust an application if the wrong record is updated?

Erwin
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Nicholson,
Karen
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 6:30 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Access Bugs

Here is a good one.  I have Access 2003 with an SQL 2000 backend.  Many
of my subforms are based on queries.  The data was not updating the
correct record.  After going nuts for a few weeks. I find it is a bug.
nice.


http://support.microsoft.com/kb/903074/en-us?spid=2509

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Aug 15 11:52:30 2005
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 09:52:30 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Access Bugs
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86873BB4@infoserver01.infostat.local>

That's not a bug, it's a FEATURE!  Didn't you read the press release on
the new virtual reality capabilities of 2003?? <VBG>

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Erwin Craps - IT Helps [mailto:Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be] 
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 9:42 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access Bugs


So if I understand correctly, all of your data is a mess right now???
Men can become woman and a 16 year old kid can become 86 thanks to this
bug.

Should somebody shoot someone for this???

How can one trust an application if the wrong record is updated?

Erwin
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Nicholson,
Karen
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 6:30 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Access Bugs

Here is a good one.  I have Access 2003 with an SQL 2000 backend.  Many
of my subforms are based on queries.  The data was not updating the
correct record.  After going nuts for a few weeks. I find it is a bug.
nice.


http://support.microsoft.com/kb/903074/en-us?spid=2509



From ssharkins at bellsouth.net  Mon Aug 15 12:05:49 2005
From: ssharkins at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 13:05:49 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Registry Keys
Message-ID: <20050815170548.MMD3503.ibm70aec.bellsouth.net@SUSANONE>

Someone asked last week if there was a utility to find all registry entries
for a particular piece of software. I didn't think so, but asked Mike G --
figured if there was one, he'd know about it -- anyway, the following was
his suggestion:

RegMon (http://www.sysinternals.com/Utilities/Regmon.html)

It finds which registry entries a particular piece of software actually uses
when it runs. Hope that's helpful. 

Susan H. 



From cyx5 at cdc.gov  Mon Aug 15 12:16:47 2005
From: cyx5 at cdc.gov (Nicholson, Karen)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 13:16:47 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access Bugs
Message-ID: <A5B5AA20555F594BA7B6BD2048E49E4376FE18@m-niosh-5.niosh.cdc.gov>

My data is not a mess that I know of.  We just turned our first user
into straight Access 2003.  She is a new employee so has not had much
time to hit our critical data.  I found four bad records that she
affected.  Then I shut her off and backed her down to Access 2002.  I
was developing at home in 2003 and couldn't figure out why the records
looked wierd.  I was using my own new tables. I was just lucky that they
didn't roll this whole place out at once or my data would have been
trashed.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 12:53 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access Bugs

That's not a bug, it's a FEATURE!  Didn't you read the press release on
the new virtual reality capabilities of 2003?? <VBG>

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Erwin Craps - IT Helps [mailto:Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be]
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 9:42 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access Bugs


So if I understand correctly, all of your data is a mess right now???
Men can become woman and a 16 year old kid can become 86 thanks to this
bug.

Should somebody shoot someone for this???

How can one trust an application if the wrong record is updated?

Erwin
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Nicholson,
Karen
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 6:30 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Access Bugs

Here is a good one.  I have Access 2003 with an SQL 2000 backend.  Many
of my subforms are based on queries.  The data was not updating the
correct record.  After going nuts for a few weeks. I find it is a bug.
nice.


http://support.microsoft.com/kb/903074/en-us?spid=2509

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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Aug 15 12:17:49 2005
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 19:17:49 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Bug Report
Message-ID: <s300ea6f.002@cactus.dk>

Hi John

Some things for you to try:

1. Remove any line containing Debug.Print from the code of the OnOpen
event.

This one once consistently crashed an Access XP app for me.

2. Remove any graphics from the form.

I've seen this crash an A97 app. Just by moving the object (I don't
recall if it was a Line or a bitmap) cured the problem.

3. Read out the form using SaveAsText:

  Call SaveAsText(acForm, "tfrmClaim", "c:\tfrmClaim.txt")

Study the text. Clean possible printer information.
Or rearrange some objects (the file contains a checksum but it appears
to not be checked when loading).
Remove the form from the database, decompile it, compress.
Read back the form using LoadFromText:

  Call LoadFromText(acForm, "tfrmClaim", "c:\tfrmClaim.txt")

compile and compress.

Further, but this is a long shot, you may try to replace the standard
printer with an old trusted "clean" driver like "HP LaserJet II", and/or
to reduce the colour setting of Windows to 256 colours.

/gustav


>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 08/15 4:56 pm >>>
I did not post the bug description, however here is what I sent MS:

Dear Sirs,

I am a professional developer using Microsoft Access.  I have a
specific
Access front end that has a particular (pretty complex) form  -
tfrmClaim -
that when opened sometimes causes Access to close, no warning.  A
little
background:

The issue happens both at my client's office and on my development
machine
which is a laptop with all the pieces right on the machine.  The
application
is a FE/BE split system, with an MDA holding an application framework
(written by me).  The application uses classes and Withevents (a LOT).

My client uses Office 2K.  They have about 40-50 workstations running
a
pretty good mix of Windows 98, Windows 2K and Windows XP.  AFAICT the
issue
does not occur on Win98 but does occur on Win2K and WinXP.

The system is a call center for the disability insurance industry. 
They
search for a claimant, and when found open a very complex form that
displays
all aspects of the claim.  This claim form has about 10 tabs, some of
which
are hidden.  The tabs load subforms when clicked on etc to reduce
loading
time.  All of that information is just background for you to understand
the
situation.  

The issue is that the OnOpen event occasionally causes the entire
database
to shut down, no warning, no page fault screen nothing.  Just gone.  

I have been able to insert debug statements and find where the
shutdown
occurs.  It occurs in the same location every time that the shutdown
occurs,
at least until you "do something" (developer code wise). 
Unfortunately
because it does not happen every time, it is not possible to step
through
the code and watch it close, but it is possible to nail it down to a
specific line of code whenever it does shutdown.

In attempting to troubleshoot this issue, I have done all of the
typical
decompile / compact / repair, open a new database and import all the
objects, etc.  One day I spent hours working on it, and watched the
shutdown
"move" through the OnOpen event until I finally "pushed it out the end
sub"
and it started closing back in the form that opens this complex form
(the
search result form) - when control returned to that sub.  I thought I
had it
nailed at that point but no, awhile later it was back to shutting down
in
the OnCurrent of the tfrmClaim.

My client thinks it has something to do with XPSP3, although it does
occur
(much less frequently) on other Oses.  It was happening a LOT on the XP
SP3
machines, they backed out the SP3 and the occurrence dropped radically
-
from every 30 minutes to once a day or so.  My dev machine (laptop) BTW
is
XP SP3 and it happens a lot.  I have not attempted to back out the SP3
and
don't really want to do so.  Also, I have OfficeXP on my dev machine
and the
bug also occurs under OfficeXP as well.

The problem will occur on the first search, or the 3rd search or the
10th
search, but rarely less often than every 10 searches - at least on my
dev
machine.  It does not appear to be data dependent, i.e. I see no
pattern as
to which record(s) triggers the shutdown.

BTW, I have "commented out" my application framework such that most of
the
functionality of the MDA is not being run - just trying to narrow down
the
issue.  There are about a dozen classes that load in OnOpen of the
form,
classes that use WithEvents to handle groups of controls and cause
specific
interactions to occur.  I have not yet commented all of them out,
although
if I did there would be no code left to run.  ;-)

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Aug 15 12:30:57 2005
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 13:30:57 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Bug Report
In-Reply-To: <s300ea6f.002@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <001c01c5a1bf$1c14ae30$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

>  Call SaveAsText(acForm, "tfrmClaim", "c:\tfrmClaim.txt")

That was cool.  The text file is 390 kbytes so it seems unliekly I can "scan
it closely"

And unfortunately, remember I said I had "pushed it out of the OnOpen" - the
close is now back in the calling function that opens the form.  The truly
strange part is that there is no code left in that function, i.e. it just
exits the sub.

Sigh.  I was going to try retyping in the offending line of code to see if I
could clean the source stream.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 1:18 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Bug Report


Hi John

Some things for you to try:

1. Remove any line containing Debug.Print from the code of the OnOpen event.

This one once consistently crashed an Access XP app for me.

2. Remove any graphics from the form.

I've seen this crash an A97 app. Just by moving the object (I don't recall
if it was a Line or a bitmap) cured the problem.

3. Read out the form using SaveAsText:

  Call SaveAsText(acForm, "tfrmClaim", "c:\tfrmClaim.txt")

Study the text. Clean possible printer information.
Or rearrange some objects (the file contains a checksum but it appears to
not be checked when loading). Remove the form from the database, decompile
it, compress. Read back the form using LoadFromText:

  Call LoadFromText(acForm, "tfrmClaim", "c:\tfrmClaim.txt")

compile and compress.

Further, but this is a long shot, you may try to replace the standard
printer with an old trusted "clean" driver like "HP LaserJet II", and/or to
reduce the colour setting of Windows to 256 colours.

/gustav


>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 08/15 4:56 pm >>>
I did not post the bug description, however here is what I sent MS:

Dear Sirs,

I am a professional developer using Microsoft Access.  I have a specific
Access front end that has a particular (pretty complex) form  - tfrmClaim -
that when opened sometimes causes Access to close, no warning.  A little
background:

The issue happens both at my client's office and on my development machine
which is a laptop with all the pieces right on the machine.  The application
is a FE/BE split system, with an MDA holding an application framework
(written by me).  The application uses classes and Withevents (a LOT).

My client uses Office 2K.  They have about 40-50 workstations running a
pretty good mix of Windows 98, Windows 2K and Windows XP.  AFAICT the issue
does not occur on Win98 but does occur on Win2K and WinXP.

The system is a call center for the disability insurance industry. 
They
search for a claimant, and when found open a very complex form that displays
all aspects of the claim.  This claim form has about 10 tabs, some of which
are hidden.  The tabs load subforms when clicked on etc to reduce loading
time.  All of that information is just background for you to understand the
situation.  

The issue is that the OnOpen event occasionally causes the entire database
to shut down, no warning, no page fault screen nothing.  Just gone.  

I have been able to insert debug statements and find where the shutdown
occurs.  It occurs in the same location every time that the shutdown occurs,
at least until you "do something" (developer code wise). 
Unfortunately
because it does not happen every time, it is not possible to step through
the code and watch it close, but it is possible to nail it down to a
specific line of code whenever it does shutdown.

In attempting to troubleshoot this issue, I have done all of the typical
decompile / compact / repair, open a new database and import all the
objects, etc.  One day I spent hours working on it, and watched the shutdown
"move" through the OnOpen event until I finally "pushed it out the end sub"
and it started closing back in the form that opens this complex form (the
search result form) - when control returned to that sub.  I thought I had it
nailed at that point but no, awhile later it was back to shutting down in
the OnCurrent of the tfrmClaim.

My client thinks it has something to do with XPSP3, although it does occur
(much less frequently) on other Oses.  It was happening a LOT on the XP SP3
machines, they backed out the SP3 and the occurrence dropped radically
-
from every 30 minutes to once a day or so.  My dev machine (laptop) BTW is
XP SP3 and it happens a lot.  I have not attempted to back out the SP3 and
don't really want to do so.  Also, I have OfficeXP on my dev machine and the
bug also occurs under OfficeXP as well.

The problem will occur on the first search, or the 3rd search or the 10th
search, but rarely less often than every 10 searches - at least on my dev
machine.  It does not appear to be data dependent, i.e. I see no pattern as
to which record(s) triggers the shutdown.

BTW, I have "commented out" my application framework such that most of the
functionality of the MDA is not being run - just trying to narrow down the
issue.  There are about a dozen classes that load in OnOpen of the form,
classes that use WithEvents to handle groups of controls and cause specific
interactions to occur.  I have not yet commented all of them out, although
if I did there would be no code left to run.  ;-)

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From jmhecht at earthlink.net  Mon Aug 15 12:51:57 2005
From: jmhecht at earthlink.net (Joe Hecht)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 10:51:57 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Access and XP MEDIA or Tablet
Message-ID: <000d01c5a1c2$08e0e150$6401a8c0@laptop1>

Has anyone seen any gotchas when running an Access App developed on XP home
or PRO if it is run on XP Media or Tablet OS?
 
Joe Hecht
Los Angeles CA
 


From Gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Aug 15 13:08:24 2005
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 20:08:24 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Bug Report
Message-ID: <s300f64b.003@cactus.dk>

Hi John

But at 390K I guess your form contains some graphics - can't you skip
that part?
Also, if no code is run and the app still crashes, it looks like just
the loading of the form causes the crash. The reason could be loading of
graphics. Not likely, I know, but quick and easy to test.

/gustav

>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 08/15 7:30 pm >>>
>  Call SaveAsText(acForm, "tfrmClaim", "c:\tfrmClaim.txt")

That was cool.  The text file is 390 kbytes so it seems unliekly I can
"scan
it closely"

And unfortunately, remember I said I had "pushed it out of the OnOpen"
- the
close is now back in the calling function that opens the form.  The
truly
strange part is that there is no code left in that function, i.e. it
just
exits the sub.

Sigh.  I was going to try retyping in the offending line of code to see
if I
could clean the source stream.



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Aug 15 13:18:53 2005
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 14:18:53 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Bug Report
In-Reply-To: <s300f64b.003@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <002201c5a1c5$ce682c50$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

The size of the file is caused by the VB for all the controls.  No, no
graphics at all AFAIK.  MAYBE a button... Hmmm I just looked at it and yea,
I have graphics in the tabs - little pictures like can be found in buttons
generated by the wizards.  No pictures other than those.  I will certainly
take those out to see what happens.

BTW, I went in and commented out all of the classes loaded by the form and
the crashing has stopped.  At least it looks like it.  That is one of the
problems, you can open the form 19 times and the 20th it will close the
database.  So every time you make a change you have to do a TON of searches
(opening the form) before you are almost sure that you have managed to
change the symptoms.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 2:08 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Bug Report


Hi John

But at 390K I guess your form contains some graphics - can't you skip that
part? Also, if no code is run and the app still crashes, it looks like just
the loading of the form causes the crash. The reason could be loading of
graphics. Not likely, I know, but quick and easy to test.

/gustav

>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 08/15 7:30 pm >>>
>  Call SaveAsText(acForm, "tfrmClaim", "c:\tfrmClaim.txt")

That was cool.  The text file is 390 kbytes so it seems unliekly I can "scan
it closely"

And unfortunately, remember I said I had "pushed it out of the OnOpen"
- the
close is now back in the calling function that opens the form.  The truly
strange part is that there is no code left in that function, i.e. it just
exits the sub.

Sigh.  I was going to try retyping in the offending line of code to see if I
could clean the source stream.

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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Aug 15 13:56:15 2005
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 20:56:15 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Bug Report
Message-ID: <s301018f.005@cactus.dk>

Hi John

OK. I can count to "a dozen classes" times 20 and all the combinations
of these 20 ...

How about creating a macro to load the form 25 times and beep when
unloading the form??

/gustav

>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 08/15 8:18 pm >>>
The size of the file is caused by the VB for all the controls.  No, no
graphics at all AFAIK.  MAYBE a button... Hmmm I just looked at it and
yea,
I have graphics in the tabs - little pictures like can be found in
buttons
generated by the wizards.  No pictures other than those.  I will
certainly
take those out to see what happens.

BTW, I went in and commented out all of the classes loaded by the form
and
the crashing has stopped.  At least it looks like it.  That is one of
the
problems, you can open the form 19 times and the 20th it will close
the
database.  So every time you make a change you have to do a TON of
searches
(opening the form) before you are almost sure that you have managed to
change the symptoms.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav
Brock
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 2:08 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Bug Report


Hi John

But at 390K I guess your form contains some graphics - can't you skip
that
part? Also, if no code is run and the app still crashes, it looks like
just
the loading of the form causes the crash. The reason could be loading
of
graphics. Not likely, I know, but quick and easy to test.

/gustav

>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 08/15 7:30 pm >>>
>  Call SaveAsText(acForm, "tfrmClaim", "c:\tfrmClaim.txt")

That was cool.  The text file is 390 kbytes so it seems unliekly I can
"scan
it closely"

And unfortunately, remember I said I had "pushed it out of the OnOpen"
- the
close is now back in the calling function that opens the form.  The
truly
strange part is that there is no code left in that function, i.e. it
just
exits the sub.

Sigh.  I was going to try retyping in the offending line of code to see
if I
could clean the source stream.



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Aug 15 14:21:57 2005
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 15:21:57 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Bug Report
In-Reply-To: <s301018f.005@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <002301c5a1ce$9a743890$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

Well... In fact I may have found the culprit.  I commented out all of the
classes, including my framework form class and the crashing stopped.  Slowly
and painfully started uncommenting them one by one, testing each one about
25 times and found one class that seems to cause the crashing.  I am
continuing past that point, uncommenting all the rest one by one to see if I
can get them all (except that one) back in without bringing the crash back.
It's just painful, slow, piece by piece work.  

In the end Access shouldn't just close like it does, and it would be nice to
actually get MS to find and fix the bug behind my bug, but I also have to be
realistic...  ;-)

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 2:56 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Bug Report


Hi John

OK. I can count to "a dozen classes" times 20 and all the combinations of
these 20 ...

How about creating a macro to load the form 25 times and beep when unloading
the form??

/gustav

>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 08/15 8:18 pm >>>
The size of the file is caused by the VB for all the controls.  No, no
graphics at all AFAIK.  MAYBE a button... Hmmm I just looked at it and yea,
I have graphics in the tabs - little pictures like can be found in buttons
generated by the wizards.  No pictures other than those.  I will certainly
take those out to see what happens.

BTW, I went in and commented out all of the classes loaded by the form and
the crashing has stopped.  At least it looks like it.  That is one of the
problems, you can open the form 19 times and the 20th it will close the
database.  So every time you make a change you have to do a TON of searches
(opening the form) before you are almost sure that you have managed to
change the symptoms.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 2:08 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Bug Report


Hi John

But at 390K I guess your form contains some graphics - can't you skip that
part? Also, if no code is run and the app still crashes, it looks like just
the loading of the form causes the crash. The reason could be loading of
graphics. Not likely, I know, but quick and easy to test.

/gustav

>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 08/15 7:30 pm >>>
>  Call SaveAsText(acForm, "tfrmClaim", "c:\tfrmClaim.txt")

That was cool.  The text file is 390 kbytes so it seems unliekly I can "scan
it closely"

And unfortunately, remember I said I had "pushed it out of the OnOpen"
- the
close is now back in the calling function that opens the form.  The truly
strange part is that there is no code left in that function, i.e. it just
exits the sub.

Sigh.  I was going to try retyping in the offending line of code to see if I
could clean the source stream.

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From mikedorism at verizon.net  Mon Aug 15 14:41:36 2005
From: mikedorism at verizon.net (Mike & Doris Manning)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 15:41:36 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Bug Report
In-Reply-To: <002301c5a1ce$9a743890$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <000201c5a1d1$5a06a970$2e01a8c0@dorismanning>

AMEN to "In the end Access shouldn't just close like it does".  This is my
biggest pet peeve because the only way around it is to use "On Error" behind
every single form and report (whether the object needs a module or not).

Doris Manning
Database Administrator
Hargrove Inc.com
mikedorism at verizon.net




From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Mon Aug 15 15:03:43 2005
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps - IT Helps)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 22:03:43 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Access and XP MEDIA or Tablet
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF1B5DDC@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

I got one...
The portrait/landscape mode....

One of the big advantages and often used is working in portrait mode for
holding the tablet and beeing simular to a regular paper size.

But as a developer you always develop in landscape mode. This can result
the user to  always have to scroll which is very very anoying when
holding your tablet...

Erwin.


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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Joe Hecht
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 7:52 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Access and XP MEDIA or Tablet

Has anyone seen any gotchas when running an Access App developed on XP
home or PRO if it is run on XP Media or Tablet OS?
 
Joe Hecht
Los Angeles CA
 
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From max at sherman.org.uk  Mon Aug 15 15:06:35 2005
From: max at sherman.org.uk (Max Sherman)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 21:06:35 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Bug Report
In-Reply-To: <001c01c5a1bf$1c14ae30$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAAW7DrIUv8Sk+BDIsZ6T0G1sKAAAAQAAAAct7vRlmXrkePWyDRVpNWSwEAAAAA@sherman.org.uk>

Don't retype it, just cut-n-paste into Notepad.  This will drop any
non-normal-text characters.  Then reverse it back in.
HTH
Max

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: 15 August 2005 18:31
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Bug Report

>  Call SaveAsText(acForm, "tfrmClaim", "c:\tfrmClaim.txt")

That was cool.  The text file is 390 kbytes so it seems unliekly I can "scan
it closely"

And unfortunately, remember I said I had "pushed it out of the OnOpen" - the
close is now back in the calling function that opens the form.  The truly
strange part is that there is no code left in that function, i.e. it just
exits the sub.

Sigh.  I was going to try retyping in the offending line of code to see if I
could clean the source stream.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 1:18 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Bug Report


Hi John

Some things for you to try:

1. Remove any line containing Debug.Print from the code of the OnOpen event.

This one once consistently crashed an Access XP app for me.

2. Remove any graphics from the form.

I've seen this crash an A97 app. Just by moving the object (I don't recall
if it was a Line or a bitmap) cured the problem.

3. Read out the form using SaveAsText:

  Call SaveAsText(acForm, "tfrmClaim", "c:\tfrmClaim.txt")

Study the text. Clean possible printer information.
Or rearrange some objects (the file contains a checksum but it appears to
not be checked when loading). Remove the form from the database, decompile
it, compress. Read back the form using LoadFromText:

  Call LoadFromText(acForm, "tfrmClaim", "c:\tfrmClaim.txt")

compile and compress.

Further, but this is a long shot, you may try to replace the standard
printer with an old trusted "clean" driver like "HP LaserJet II", and/or to
reduce the colour setting of Windows to 256 colours.

/gustav


>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 08/15 4:56 pm >>>
I did not post the bug description, however here is what I sent MS:

Dear Sirs,

I am a professional developer using Microsoft Access.  I have a specific
Access front end that has a particular (pretty complex) form  - tfrmClaim -
that when opened sometimes causes Access to close, no warning.  A little
background:

The issue happens both at my client's office and on my development machine
which is a laptop with all the pieces right on the machine.  The application
is a FE/BE split system, with an MDA holding an application framework
(written by me).  The application uses classes and Withevents (a LOT).

My client uses Office 2K.  They have about 40-50 workstations running a
pretty good mix of Windows 98, Windows 2K and Windows XP.  AFAICT the issue
does not occur on Win98 but does occur on Win2K and WinXP.

The system is a call center for the disability insurance industry. 
They
search for a claimant, and when found open a very complex form that displays
all aspects of the claim.  This claim form has about 10 tabs, some of which
are hidden.  The tabs load subforms when clicked on etc to reduce loading
time.  All of that information is just background for you to understand the
situation.  

The issue is that the OnOpen event occasionally causes the entire database
to shut down, no warning, no page fault screen nothing.  Just gone.  

I have been able to insert debug statements and find where the shutdown
occurs.  It occurs in the same location every time that the shutdown occurs,
at least until you "do something" (developer code wise). 
Unfortunately
because it does not happen every time, it is not possible to step through
the code and watch it close, but it is possible to nail it down to a
specific line of code whenever it does shutdown.

In attempting to troubleshoot this issue, I have done all of the typical
decompile / compact / repair, open a new database and import all the
objects, etc.  One day I spent hours working on it, and watched the shutdown
"move" through the OnOpen event until I finally "pushed it out the end sub"
and it started closing back in the form that opens this complex form (the
search result form) - when control returned to that sub.  I thought I had it
nailed at that point but no, awhile later it was back to shutting down in
the OnCurrent of the tfrmClaim.

My client thinks it has something to do with XPSP3, although it does occur
(much less frequently) on other Oses.  It was happening a LOT on the XP SP3
machines, they backed out the SP3 and the occurrence dropped radically
-
from every 30 minutes to once a day or so.  My dev machine (laptop) BTW is
XP SP3 and it happens a lot.  I have not attempted to back out the SP3 and
don't really want to do so.  Also, I have OfficeXP on my dev machine and the
bug also occurs under OfficeXP as well.

The problem will occur on the first search, or the 3rd search or the 10th
search, but rarely less often than every 10 searches - at least on my dev
machine.  It does not appear to be data dependent, i.e. I see no pattern as
to which record(s) triggers the shutdown.

BTW, I have "commented out" my application framework such that most of the
functionality of the MDA is not being run - just trying to narrow down the
issue.  There are about a dozen classes that load in OnOpen of the form,
classes that use WithEvents to handle groups of controls and cause specific
interactions to occur.  I have not yet commented all of them out, although
if I did there would be no code left to run.  ;-)

John W. Colby
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From darsant at gmail.com  Mon Aug 15 15:11:44 2005
From: darsant at gmail.com (Josh McFarlane)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 15:11:44 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Bug Report
In-Reply-To: <000201c5a1d1$5a06a970$2e01a8c0@dorismanning>
References: <002301c5a1ce$9a743890$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>
	<000201c5a1d1$5a06a970$2e01a8c0@dorismanning>
Message-ID: <53c8e05a05081513113a7977fb@mail.gmail.com>

On 8/15/05, Mike & Doris Manning <mikedorism at verizon.net> wrote:
> AMEN to "In the end Access shouldn't just close like it does".  This is my
> biggest pet peeve because the only way around it is to use "On Error" behind
> every single form and report (whether the object needs a module or not).

Well, it could be worse. It could be like Visual Studio 2005, and as
soon as you attempt to modify any part of the code... BANG, it's gone.
No error, nothing running, just wham bam, no more VS.

Try to report it and they can't reproduce it, as it's intermittent,
but everyone knows it's there!

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"Peace cannot be kept by force. It can only be achieved by understanding."
-Albert Einstein


From darsant at gmail.com  Mon Aug 15 15:16:48 2005
From: darsant at gmail.com (Josh McFarlane)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 15:16:48 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Bug Reporting for SQL Server 2005 / Visual Studio and
	other Visual Products
Message-ID: <53c8e05a05081513166bdf208e@mail.gmail.com>

Since we're on the topic of reporting bugs, 

For those of you using Visual Studio, SQL Server, or any other Visual
programming products, you can report your bugs fairly easily without
the normal Micro$oft money for bugs program by visiting
www.msdn.com/feedback.

So far, I've reported roughly 5 bugs on upcoming releases and all were
dealt with fairly quickly. Now if they only had something like this
for Access...

-- 
Josh McFarlane 

"Peace cannot be kept by force. It can only be achieved by understanding."
-Albert Einstein


From bchacc at san.rr.com  Mon Aug 15 15:35:44 2005
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 13:35:44 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Bug Report
References: <NDEALJOEGMMPCDKIFGNFKEHEEKAA.jimdettman@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <056a01c5a1d8$e902cd50$6501a8c0@HAL9004>

Jim:

"code breaks on a line where a breakpoint was but is no longer"

I've had this happen as well, even more embarrassing, at the customer when 
suddenly they find themselves in the code page with a yellow highlight.  Has 
there been no fix for this from MS?

Rocky

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Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 9:08 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Bug Report


> John,
>
>  I've seen what your seeing.  I've also had cases where code breaks on a
> line where a breakpoint was but is no longer after the code has been 
> changed
> (lines inserted or deleted).  I've even had it break on *blank* lines in
> some cases<g>.  I can push the lines around as you say and watch things
> change.
>
> <<I am convinced that the source code that you see on the screen has other
> things in the text stream, things that are not visible to you, the
> developer. >>
>
>  Basically it boils down to the fact that the source code is out of synch
> with the p-code or as your saying, the p-code is hosed.  Since they are
> stored separately, it is easy for this to happen.
>
> Good time to use /decompile<g>.
>
> Jim.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John W. Colby
> Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 11:53 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Bug Report
>
>
> Was it the actual line that called the other block?  This one is just "any
> old line of code".  It always occurs in the OnOpen of the form, where I am
> initializing classes, etc.  By setting up debug.Print statements through 
> the
> OnOpen I am able to nail down what exact line of code it is, but it 
> doesn't
> occur every time the form opens so it is a pita to step through to 
> actually
> watch the close happen.  I have caused the close to move around however,
> even "pushing it out the end" of the OnOpen back into the function that
> opens the form.  Truly bizarre.
>
> I have seen this kind of stuff before however.  Back when I was working on
> C2DbFrameWiz (the error handler insertion wizard) I would get instances
> where the code that inserted the code into a module would just cause a
> close.  It was very similar, I could "track it down" to a single line of
> code.  I could go up to the previous line, type in the same code character
> for character, then delete the line causing the code and the problem would
> "go away" for awhile.  OTOH, If I cut the line out to the paste buffer and
> pasted it back in again, I would still have the issue.
>
> I am convinced that the source code that you see on the screen has other
> things in the text stream, things that are not visible to you, the
> developer.  Kind of like the old Word Perfect "show codes" where you would
> cause other formatting stuff to appear.  I am convinced that the text 
> stream
> gets something embedded in it and once that something is in the string, 
> you
> are hosed.
>
> In this case (my current application) I have gone so far as to import the
> entire FE into a new blank MDB and the problem still exists.  I do not get
> the "corrupted form" kind of thing that occurs with the A2K / AXP vb dll
> version issue, i.e. the form module is not "corrupted" at least not
> corrupted so badly that it won't export.
>
> This is a bizarre one and very irritating to my users as you might 
> imagine.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
> http://folding.stanford.edu/
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
> Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 11:30 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Bug Report
>
>
> I saw behavior like that in one of my apps once, John.  I finally tracked 
> it
> down to mixing DAO and ADO, that is, a DAO code block calling out to an 
> ADO
> block, or vice versa.  I scrubbed my code thoroughly to prevent said
> circumstance and the problem went away.  One of the steps I took was to
> rename my routines so that I could tell at a glance whether they were ADO 
> or
> DAO.
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
> Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 5:52 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Bug Report
>
>
> LOL.  There is no resolving this bug.  Access just shuts down.  Step 
> through
> the code and hit one specific line it just closes.  Not exactly something 
> I
> can fix.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
> http://folding.stanford.edu/
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
> Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 8:44 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Bug Report
>
>
> Well - MS is really loosening up!  They won't charge you if it really does
> turn out to be a bug.  I had to solve my bug myself for them to not charge
> me!
>
> Best of Luck!
>
> Dan Waters
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby
> Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 6:41 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: [AccessD] Bug Report
>
> The following is the response I got to my bug report:
>
> Hello John,
>
> Thank you for contacting Microsoft Online Customer Service.
>
> I appreciate the time you have taken to provide us with the feedback. As a
> Customer Service Representative, I can assist you with the support options
> available with your Microsoft product. You can report bugs by postal mail 
> to
> the following address:
>
> Attn: Office Development Group
> Microsoft Corporation
> One Microsoft Way
> Redmond, WA 98052
>
> The letter should include a complete description of the bug including the
> actions, software, and hardware associated with the bug and whether or not
> it is consistently reproducible.
>
> You may also contact Microsoft Customer Service and speak with a support
> professional about the issue and have a support case created. This method
> will require you to utilize the standard options of support that are
> available for your copy of Microsoft product initially. Once the support
> professional is able to determine that the problem is a bug with the
> software, they will not decrement the incident from warranty support or
> account or issue a refund of any credit card charges if applicable.
>
> You may contact  Microsoft Developer Support Team at (800) 936-5800. They
> are available 24 hours a day.  They will be able to assist you.
>
> John, I hope your issue gets resolved.
>
> Thank you for using Microsoft products and services.
>
> Benoy
> Microsoft Online Customer Service Representative
>
> If you have any feedback about your Online Customer Service experience
> please E-mail my manager Rahul Rajgopal at managers at microsoft.com
>
>
>
> John W. Colby
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>
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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Mon Aug 15 15:38:54 2005
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 13:38:54 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Bug Report
References: <001801c5a1b6$80e3a6d0$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <057b01c5a1d9$5d06a960$6501a8c0@HAL9004>

John:

At that level of form complexity could you be bumping up against any of the 
(undocumented) Access limitations that the SQL and Oracle folks are always 
ragging us about?

Rocky

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From: "John W. Colby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 9:29 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Bug Report


> Rocky,
>
> This is indeed fascinating.  I am at a loss on this one.  I am no
> lightweight at this stuff and I just can't figure it out.  I know that the
> Windows98 users do not have the problem, the Win2K users do see it but
> rarely, the WinXP users see it occasionally, and apparently more often 
> with
> SP3.  So is it an Access bug or a Windows bug?
>
> In this specific case (the only place I am seeing it), it is in the OnOpen
> of this one specific form.  The form is a bound form, VERY complex, with
> probably 50-100 controls.  18 tabs using JIT subforms to only load the
> subforms if the tabs are clicked.
>
> The form has a clsForm that ties the form into my framework.  That class
> passes a pointer to the form into the class and the class then iterates 
> the
> form for every control, loading a withevents class for each control found.
> I have however commented out that specific class such that the framework 
> is
> not triggered for the form and the problem still exists.
>
> In addition to that class, I also have 9 other classes loading, mostly
> classes that are passed in controls and enforce rules regarding sets of
> controls.  I have not yet dimmed out those classes to see if the issue 
> goes
> away.
>
> And yes, it also occurs on my laptop where the FE/BE are both on the same
> machine.  HOWEVER, the BE (and FE for that matter) resides on a mapped
> (mounted) drive.  On my laptop I use an encryption program to set up a big
> file which is "turned into a drive".  IOW, this file is mounted as a drive
> by a driver.  The driver asks for a password before mounting the "drive". 
> I
> do this so that I can carry sensitive customer data on my machine without
> exposing the data if the laptop is lost or stolen.  Furthermore I can just
> backup the source file that is a drive, to backup the entire development
> drive.
>
> These drives are mounted as drive K, M and X.  Does that count as a 
> network
> drive?  The driver performs the mounting at specific drive letters.
>
> Anyway, it is not AFAIK going out over the network, so I do not think it 
> is
> a NIC problem.
>
> This is NOT going to be easy for them to troubleshoot.  The BE is now
> approaching 400 mbytes and contains sensitive personal and medical data on
> tens of thousands of people.  I am guessing that if they are going to do 
> it
> at all they will have to remote in to my laptop at my office and work on 
> it
> remotely.  It should be interesting to see what happens.
>
> Just in...  I got this email this morning:
>
> CASE_ID_NUM: SRZ050815000001
> MESSAGE:
> ********************** The message for you follows 
> ************************
> Hi John,
>
>          Thank you for using Microsoft Online Assisted Support.  In order
> to route your case to a Support Professional we will need to re-entitle 
> your
> case. The product ID that you supplied indicates that your software came
> part of an Open License Agreement. This is a special license agreement tha 
> t
> your company purchased so they could obtain many copies of the software at 
> a
> significant cost savings. This allows your company to save money by
> purchasing the software in volume.  However, the software does not come 
> with
> any free technical support.  If you would like to have a support 
> profession
> al troubleshoot your issue, we must process a retail PID for Office
> (w/Access), an access ID identifying a pre-paid support account, or a 
> credit
> card charge ($99 over the web, $245 over the phone).
>
> IOW, the action pack does not get free support incidents.  Sigh.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
> http://folding.stanford.edu/
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
> Beach Access Software
> Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 11:37 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Bug Report
>
>
> Interesting.  What's your speculation on where it's happening?  In the
> interpretation of your classes?  They obviously have no clue and cannot
> track it down without getting your app and running it themselves.  At 
> first
> it behaves like a bad NIC - I've had apps go south with corruptions and
> shutdowns and traced it to a cheap NIC on the network - but you're running
> this standalone, yes?
>
> Rocky
>
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From artful at rogers.com  Mon Aug 15 16:21:25 2005
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 17:21:25 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Where is everyone?
In-Reply-To: <200508142111.j7ELBYkr209474@pimout1-ext.prodigy.net>
Message-ID: <200508152121.j7FLLQR26737@databaseadvisors.com>

I would but I can't. Compared to some of the listers here, I am a newcomer.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
Sent: August 14, 2005 5:11 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Where is everyone?

Go for it! 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2005 9:38 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Where is everyone?

Somebody should write up the history of AccessD for publication in the
newsletter, and for posterity.

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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Mon Aug 15 16:59:18 2005
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 16:59:18 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2006
Message-ID: <000001c5a1e4$990452e0$0300a8c0@danwaters>

Does anyone know when MS will be releasing information on Access 2006?  I
know the release date is around July 2006.

 

Dan Waters

 



From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Aug 15 17:21:45 2005
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 15:21:45 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Bug Report
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86873BB6@infoserver01.infostat.local>

On Error won't necessarily do it, though.  I discovered that with the
ADO/DAO problem I ran into.  Even having a form open didn't stop it from
crashing all the way back to windows with never an error thrown.

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Mike & Doris Manning [mailto:mikedorism at verizon.net] 
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 12:42 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Bug Report


AMEN to "In the end Access shouldn't just close like it does".  This is
my biggest pet peeve because the only way around it is to use "On Error"
behind every single form and report (whether the object needs a module
or not).

Doris Manning
Database Administrator
Hargrove Inc.com
mikedorism at verizon.net


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From robert at servicexp.com  Mon Aug 15 18:16:25 2005
From: robert at servicexp.com (Robert Gracie)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 19:16:25 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Bug Report
Message-ID: <3C6BD610FA11044CADFC8C13E6D5508F4EF5@gbsserver.GBS.local>

John,
 Do you have any timers running in this db?

Robert 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 3:46 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Bug Report

Well... In fact I may have found the culprit.  I commented out all of
the classes, including my framework form class and the crashing stopped.
Slowly and painfully started uncommenting them one by one, testing each
one about
25 times and found one class that seems to cause the crashing.  I am
continuing past that point, uncommenting all the rest one by one to see
if I can get them all (except that one) back in without bringing the
crash back.
It's just painful, slow, piece by piece work.  

In the end Access shouldn't just close like it does, and it would be
nice to actually get MS to find and fix the bug behind my bug, but I
also have to be realistic...  ;-)

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 2:56 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Bug Report


Hi John

OK. I can count to "a dozen classes" times 20 and all the combinations
of these 20 ...

How about creating a macro to load the form 25 times and beep when
unloading the form??

/gustav

>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 08/15 8:18 pm >>>
The size of the file is caused by the VB for all the controls.  No, no
graphics at all AFAIK.  MAYBE a button... Hmmm I just looked at it and
yea, I have graphics in the tabs - little pictures like can be found in
buttons generated by the wizards.  No pictures other than those.  I will
certainly take those out to see what happens.

BTW, I went in and commented out all of the classes loaded by the form
and the crashing has stopped.  At least it looks like it.  That is one
of the problems, you can open the form 19 times and the 20th it will
close the database.  So every time you make a change you have to do a
TON of searches (opening the form) before you are almost sure that you
have managed to change the symptoms.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 2:08 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Bug Report


Hi John

But at 390K I guess your form contains some graphics - can't you skip
that part? Also, if no code is run and the app still crashes, it looks
like just the loading of the form causes the crash. The reason could be
loading of graphics. Not likely, I know, but quick and easy to test.

/gustav

>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 08/15 7:30 pm >>>
>  Call SaveAsText(acForm, "tfrmClaim", "c:\tfrmClaim.txt")

That was cool.  The text file is 390 kbytes so it seems unliekly I can
"scan it closely"

And unfortunately, remember I said I had "pushed it out of the OnOpen"
- the
close is now back in the calling function that opens the form.  The
truly strange part is that there is no code left in that function, i.e.
it just exits the sub.

Sigh.  I was going to try retyping in the offending line of code to see
if I could clean the source stream.

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Aug 15 18:47:44 2005
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 19:47:44 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Bug Report
In-Reply-To: <3C6BD610FA11044CADFC8C13E6D5508F4EF5@gbsserver.GBS.local>
Message-ID: <002401c5a1f3$bb52ae50$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

Nope, no timers.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Robert Gracie
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 7:16 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Bug Report


John,
 Do you have any timers running in this db?

Robert 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 3:46 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Bug Report

Well... In fact I may have found the culprit.  I commented out all of the
classes, including my framework form class and the crashing stopped. Slowly
and painfully started uncommenting them one by one, testing each one about
25 times and found one class that seems to cause the crashing.  I am
continuing past that point, uncommenting all the rest one by one to see if I
can get them all (except that one) back in without bringing the crash back.
It's just painful, slow, piece by piece work.  

In the end Access shouldn't just close like it does, and it would be nice to
actually get MS to find and fix the bug behind my bug, but I also have to be
realistic...  ;-)

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 2:56 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Bug Report


Hi John

OK. I can count to "a dozen classes" times 20 and all the combinations of
these 20 ...

How about creating a macro to load the form 25 times and beep when unloading
the form??

/gustav

>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 08/15 8:18 pm >>>
The size of the file is caused by the VB for all the controls.  No, no
graphics at all AFAIK.  MAYBE a button... Hmmm I just looked at it and yea,
I have graphics in the tabs - little pictures like can be found in buttons
generated by the wizards.  No pictures other than those.  I will certainly
take those out to see what happens.

BTW, I went in and commented out all of the classes loaded by the form and
the crashing has stopped.  At least it looks like it.  That is one of the
problems, you can open the form 19 times and the 20th it will close the
database.  So every time you make a change you have to do a TON of searches
(opening the form) before you are almost sure that you have managed to
change the symptoms.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 2:08 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Bug Report


Hi John

But at 390K I guess your form contains some graphics - can't you skip that
part? Also, if no code is run and the app still crashes, it looks like just
the loading of the form causes the crash. The reason could be loading of
graphics. Not likely, I know, but quick and easy to test.

/gustav

>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 08/15 7:30 pm >>>
>  Call SaveAsText(acForm, "tfrmClaim", "c:\tfrmClaim.txt")

That was cool.  The text file is 390 kbytes so it seems unliekly I can "scan
it closely"

And unfortunately, remember I said I had "pushed it out of the OnOpen"
- the
close is now back in the calling function that opens the form.  The truly
strange part is that there is no code left in that function, i.e. it just
exits the sub.

Sigh.  I was going to try retyping in the offending line of code to see if I
could clean the source stream.

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Aug 15 20:02:49 2005
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 21:02:49 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Database close bug (apparently) resolved
Message-ID: <002501c5a1fe$388e4460$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

Well...

It appears that my bug has been resolved.

The form in question has a combo, the list for which is a result of a state
machine.  IOW, if you are in state A, then you can go to state B, D, F or G
but not C, E etc.

Thus the list for the combo has to be calculated as the form opens based on
the current state, a SQL statement generated and placed in the combo
rowsource property.  In fact, for troubleshooting purposes, I had a saved
querydef which I modified with the results of this calculated SQL Statement,
then placed the name of the saved query in the combo's RowSource property
after the calculation, and modification of the querydef.

Once I knew that it was this class that was causing the issue, I was able to
"divide and conquer" (comment out statements until it was found) and
discovered that it was the process of modifying the saved querydef that was
causing the unexpected close.  The combo RowSource is set to the name of the
saved query when the form opens, then the RowSource is set to "" (cleared),
the querydef opened and the SQL property modified with the calculated SQL
statement and closed, then the name of the query placed back in the combo
which causes the combo to "requery" and pull the data per the SQL statement
and display that dataset.

For whatever reason, that modify/save/store in combo process was causing the
close issue.  By simply deleting the named query from the combo's RowSource,
then placing the SQL statement itself directly in the combo, the database no
longer closes unexpectedly.  Now I have to do a "Find" to make sure that the
stored query is not used any where else after the combo is loaded, and if
not, I can just leave things as they are with a note in the commented out
code to indicate that it caused my "database close" issue.

What a PITA.  And why doesn't Access close immediately (or better yet, throw
an error if it doesn't like this?) when I am screwing around with the
querydef instead of after OnCurrent finishes?  And what is it that makes it
OS sensitive?  All things I will no doubt never see the answer to.

But... I have fixed my problem.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From carbonnb at sympatico.ca  Mon Aug 15 20:45:19 2005
From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 21:45:19 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas
Message-ID: <BAYC1-PASMTP0207B39A1274386D8BD230AEB00@cez.ice>

I have found myself in a situation that gives me an inordinate amount 
of free time and I'm looking for some ideas to fill my time.

I am thinking of something that would make development easier or a 
specifc app that would greatly help developers. I need something to 
keep my mind active and fingers busy :)

It can be anything from Access to Word to Excel (Office 2K), even VB 
6.

I'm open to any and all suggestion. And If I can learn something new, 
that would be even better.

Let the flood gates open :-)

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Don't cry because it's over; smile because it happened. 




From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Aug 15 20:52:22 2005
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 21:52:22 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas
In-Reply-To: <BAYC1-PASMTP0207B39A1274386D8BD230AEB00@cez.ice>
Message-ID: <002601c5a205$27d95d60$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

Why don't I ever get these situations?  8-(

John W. Colby
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Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 9:45 PM
To: access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas


I have found myself in a situation that gives me an inordinate amount 
of free time and I'm looking for some ideas to fill my time.

I am thinking of something that would make development easier or a 
specifc app that would greatly help developers. I need something to 
keep my mind active and fingers busy :)

It can be anything from Access to Word to Excel (Office 2K), even VB 
6.

I'm open to any and all suggestion. And If I can learn something new, 
that would be even better.

Let the flood gates open :-)

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From carbonnb at sympatico.ca  Mon Aug 15 21:05:29 2005
From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 22:05:29 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas
In-Reply-To: <002601c5a205$27d95d60$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>
References: <BAYC1-PASMTP0207B39A1274386D8BD230AEB00@cez.ice>
Message-ID: <BAYC1-PASMTP033CA742B4404F9E332174AEB00@cez.ice>

On 15 Aug 2005 at 21:52, John W. Colby wrote:

> Why don't I ever get these situations?  8-(

Cause you really don't want to be in this situation. :))

-- 
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Never test for a bug you don't know how to fix.




From Bruce.Bruen at railcorp.nsw.gov.au  Mon Aug 15 21:06:39 2005
From: Bruce.Bruen at railcorp.nsw.gov.au (Bruen, Bruce)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 12:06:39 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Tagged value query
Message-ID: <F2BE8EAB3EA585418337B71BCE6F3BF304EC36@msmet100.rail.nsw.gov.au>

Might not be expressing myself well here. 

On reconsidering the problem, I can ignore the join completely.

What I have is a table with a set of optional tagged value pairs:
Table=t_objectproperties
Attribs= 
Objkey (NOT unique)
parentID (FK but lets ignore it)
Name (name of the tag)
Value (value of the tag)

Objkey can have mulitple entries.  What I need to do is:


For a given set of tag names (i.e. more than 1, eg "InFirstRelease" and
"TestPriority")
 list ObjKey, name1.value, name2.value;

The case of a single translation putting the value of a particular name
in a column is trivial.  IOW its easy to get:

Objkey	InFirstRelease
-------	---------------
2313		Yes
2365		No
...

What I cant get is how to do it for multiple tags. :-(
Initially, I can get away with a fixed number of tags. But in the long
term it would be nice to be able to have a generalisation that allowed
the number of tags to be variable.

SELECT objkey, value as V1, value as V2
FROM t_objectproperties
WHERE name="InFirstRelease" or name="TestPriority";  ????????Obviously
not it!????????

I must be getting too old for this job.....


Tia
bruce





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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Friday, 12 August 2005 3:02 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Tagged value query

Have you tried an outer join? 

Left outer will retrieve all the primary key values in the one table. 
Right outer will retrieve all the foreign key values in the many table. 

Susan H. 

Yes. 

You want all objects, even if they have no tags? 


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From Bruce.Bruen at railcorp.nsw.gov.au  Mon Aug 15 21:12:39 2005
From: Bruce.Bruen at railcorp.nsw.gov.au (Bruen, Bruce)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 12:12:39 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Tagged value query - IGNORE THIS THREAD
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Talk about embarrased.

It's a straightforward crosstab.  Must be too old.


Sorry for the waste of time and bandwidth.

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Aug 15 21:18:58 2005
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 22:18:58 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas
In-Reply-To: <BAYC1-PASMTP033CA742B4404F9E332174AEB00@cez.ice>
Message-ID: <002a01c5a208$df717540$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

I am working on a bunch of different things myself.  I'm taking a client's
project and porting it to VB.Net.  Slowly working on a book about reusable
code in VBA for Access, stuff like that.

John W. Colby
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Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 10:05 PM
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Subject: RE: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas


On 15 Aug 2005 at 21:52, John W. Colby wrote:

> Why don't I ever get these situations?  8-(

Cause you really don't want to be in this situation. :))

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Aug 15 21:34:52 2005
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 19:34:52 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas
In-Reply-To: <BAYC1-PASMTP0207B39A1274386D8BD230AEB00@cez.ice>
Message-ID: <0ILA0086LN63B7@l-daemon>

Hi Bryan:

Our web site needs a lot of work to move to the next level.

A few simple things that would require a bit of research... 

1. Create the definitive link list for the site. You know most of the sites
from but there are a few out there that are not obvious but definitely
should be counted... like 'http://www.colbyconsulting.com/' or
'http://www.rogersaccesslibrary.com' or 'http://www.mvps.org/access/' and
many more. It would be great to be able to create the ultimate Access
research page. 

2. Putting some of the great comments and code snippets into either a
gazette or new article for upcoming issues(s).

3 List member advertisement pages stores on a MS SQL DB. This is not
confirmed by the executive yet but I believe it makes sense. We should be
supporting our list members' accomplishment like their books, articles,
programs or even design and support companies. We are a way from
implementing this but the format, design, and coding can be started as it
will be a lengthy development from creation to implementation.

4. There is of course .Net... and XML/HXML/AJAX... where much of Access
development is heading/expanding. It is a truly distributive application
development platform and the performance is really awesome when using
ASP.Net client side is coupled with ADO.Net... 'a thousand users are
serviced as fast as one' (Not mine but a quote from a book.). Should we be
looking seriously at this? Articles, new lists, roll our own? 
  
These are just a few of the web site work that is waiting to be started and
implemented.  

Our current web site owners are having some problems getting our MS SQL
server up and running again but we will be getting MS SQL support one way or
the other. So you can work/plan for/with a MS SQL set of option/solutions.

Keep me posted as I am enjoying a 'fairly' flexible time constraint as well.

Jim


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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bryan Carbonnell
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 6:45 PM
To: access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas

I have found myself in a situation that gives me an inordinate amount 
of free time and I'm looking for some ideas to fill my time.

I am thinking of something that would make development easier or a 
specifc app that would greatly help developers. I need something to 
keep my mind active and fingers busy :)

It can be anything from Access to Word to Excel (Office 2K), even VB 
6.

I'm open to any and all suggestion. And If I can learn something new, 
that would be even better.

Let the flood gates open :-)

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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Tue Aug 16 01:59:14 2005
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 07:59:14 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas
In-Reply-To: <BAYC1-PASMTP033CA742B4404F9E332174AEB00@cez.ice>
Message-ID: <000e01c5a230$049f5d10$2c1f0c54@minster33c3r25>

Hi Bryan
Really sorry to hear that.

How about the long-awaited v2 of BEU?

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Bryan Carbonnell
> Sent: 16 August 2005 03:05
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas
> 
> 
> On 15 Aug 2005 at 21:52, John W. Colby wrote:
> 
> > Why don't I ever get these situations?  8-(
> 
> Cause you really don't want to be in this situation. :))
> 
> -- 
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> Never test for a bug you don't know how to fix.
> 
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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Aug 16 02:13:16 2005
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 09:13:16 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas
Message-ID: <s301ae37.009@cactus.dk>

Hi Bryan

So no job? Or wife?? Is that what you are trying to tell?
On the other hand (for the job option, cannot tell for the wife
option), with your knowledge I would expect it to be easy for you to
find some "new challenges" except, of course, if things are a little
more complicated than they may appear to be ...

Currently I'm facing some XML work. Haven't done anything with this and
Access and hardly know where to look except browsing this list ...
So an XML cookbook or guide is a suggestion.

/gustav

>>> carbonnb at sympatico.ca 08/16 3:45 am >>>
I have found myself in a situation that gives me an inordinate amount 
of free time and I'm looking for some ideas to fill my time.

I am thinking of something that would make development easier or a 
specifc app that would greatly help developers. I need something to 
keep my mind active and fingers busy :)

It can be anything from Access to Word to Excel (Office 2K), even VB 
6.

I'm open to any and all suggestion. And If I can learn something new, 
that would be even better.

Let the flood gates open :-)

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Don't cry because it's over; smile because it happened. 



From jimdettman at earthlink.net  Tue Aug 16 05:16:41 2005
From: jimdettman at earthlink.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 06:16:41 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Bug Report
In-Reply-To: <056a01c5a1d8$e902cd50$6501a8c0@HAL9004>
Message-ID: <NDEALJOEGMMPCDKIFGNFKELDEKAA.jimdettman@earthlink.net>

Rocky,

  None that I'm aware of.  I usually do a /decompile as soon as I see the
weird stuff start to happen.

  That pretty much clears it up.  If not, I go to a backup.

Jim.

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
Beach Access Software
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 4:36 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Bug Report


Jim:

"code breaks on a line where a breakpoint was but is no longer"

I've had this happen as well, even more embarrassing, at the customer when
suddenly they find themselves in the code page with a yellow highlight.  Has
there been no fix for this from MS?

Rocky

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Dettman" <jimdettman at earthlink.net>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 9:08 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Bug Report


> John,
>
>  I've seen what your seeing.  I've also had cases where code breaks on a
> line where a breakpoint was but is no longer after the code has been
> changed
> (lines inserted or deleted).  I've even had it break on *blank* lines in
> some cases<g>.  I can push the lines around as you say and watch things
> change.
>
> <<I am convinced that the source code that you see on the screen has other
> things in the text stream, things that are not visible to you, the
> developer. >>
>
>  Basically it boils down to the fact that the source code is out of synch
> with the p-code or as your saying, the p-code is hosed.  Since they are
> stored separately, it is easy for this to happen.
>
> Good time to use /decompile<g>.
>
> Jim.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John W. Colby
> Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 11:53 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Bug Report
>
>
> Was it the actual line that called the other block?  This one is just "any
> old line of code".  It always occurs in the OnOpen of the form, where I am
> initializing classes, etc.  By setting up debug.Print statements through
> the
> OnOpen I am able to nail down what exact line of code it is, but it
> doesn't
> occur every time the form opens so it is a pita to step through to
> actually
> watch the close happen.  I have caused the close to move around however,
> even "pushing it out the end" of the OnOpen back into the function that
> opens the form.  Truly bizarre.
>
> I have seen this kind of stuff before however.  Back when I was working on
> C2DbFrameWiz (the error handler insertion wizard) I would get instances
> where the code that inserted the code into a module would just cause a
> close.  It was very similar, I could "track it down" to a single line of
> code.  I could go up to the previous line, type in the same code character
> for character, then delete the line causing the code and the problem would
> "go away" for awhile.  OTOH, If I cut the line out to the paste buffer and
> pasted it back in again, I would still have the issue.
>
> I am convinced that the source code that you see on the screen has other
> things in the text stream, things that are not visible to you, the
> developer.  Kind of like the old Word Perfect "show codes" where you would
> cause other formatting stuff to appear.  I am convinced that the text
> stream
> gets something embedded in it and once that something is in the string,
> you
> are hosed.
>
> In this case (my current application) I have gone so far as to import the
> entire FE into a new blank MDB and the problem still exists.  I do not get
> the "corrupted form" kind of thing that occurs with the A2K / AXP vb dll
> version issue, i.e. the form module is not "corrupted" at least not
> corrupted so badly that it won't export.
>
> This is a bizarre one and very irritating to my users as you might
> imagine.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
> Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 11:30 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Bug Report
>
>
> I saw behavior like that in one of my apps once, John.  I finally tracked
> it
> down to mixing DAO and ADO, that is, a DAO code block calling out to an
> ADO
> block, or vice versa.  I scrubbed my code thoroughly to prevent said
> circumstance and the problem went away.  One of the steps I took was to
> rename my routines so that I could tell at a glance whether they were ADO
> or
> DAO.
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
> Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 5:52 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Bug Report
>
>
> LOL.  There is no resolving this bug.  Access just shuts down.  Step
> through
> the code and hit one specific line it just closes.  Not exactly something
> I
> can fix.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
> http://folding.stanford.edu/
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
> Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 8:44 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Bug Report
>
>
> Well - MS is really loosening up!  They won't charge you if it really does
> turn out to be a bug.  I had to solve my bug myself for them to not charge
> me!
>
> Best of Luck!
>
> Dan Waters
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby
> Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 6:41 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: [AccessD] Bug Report
>
> The following is the response I got to my bug report:
>
> Hello John,
>
> Thank you for contacting Microsoft Online Customer Service.
>
> I appreciate the time you have taken to provide us with the feedback. As a
> Customer Service Representative, I can assist you with the support options
> available with your Microsoft product. You can report bugs by postal mail
> to
> the following address:
>
> Attn: Office Development Group
> Microsoft Corporation
> One Microsoft Way
> Redmond, WA 98052
>
> The letter should include a complete description of the bug including the
> actions, software, and hardware associated with the bug and whether or not
> it is consistently reproducible.
>
> You may also contact Microsoft Customer Service and speak with a support
> professional about the issue and have a support case created. This method
> will require you to utilize the standard options of support that are
> available for your copy of Microsoft product initially. Once the support
> professional is able to determine that the problem is a bug with the
> software, they will not decrement the incident from warranty support or
> account or issue a refund of any credit card charges if applicable.
>
> You may contact  Microsoft Developer Support Team at (800) 936-5800. They
> are available 24 hours a day.  They will be able to assist you.
>
> John, I hope your issue gets resolved.
>
> Thank you for using Microsoft products and services.
>
> Benoy
> Microsoft Online Customer Service Representative
>
> If you have any feedback about your Online Customer Service experience
> please E-mail my manager Rahul Rajgopal at managers at microsoft.com
>
>
>
> John W. Colby
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>
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Aug 16 06:14:30 2005
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 07:14:30 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas
In-Reply-To: <000e01c5a230$049f5d10$2c1f0c54@minster33c3r25>
Message-ID: <004001c5a253$afa50520$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

Oooooohhh I have a great idea for that one.

John W. Colby
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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 2:59 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas


Hi Bryan
Really sorry to hear that.

How about the long-awaited v2 of BEU?

-- Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Bryan Carbonnell
> Sent: 16 August 2005 03:05
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas
> 
> 
> On 15 Aug 2005 at 21:52, John W. Colby wrote:
> 
> > Why don't I ever get these situations?  8-(
> 
> Cause you really don't want to be in this situation. :))
> 
> --
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Aug 16 06:16:33 2005
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 07:16:33 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Bug Report
In-Reply-To: <NDEALJOEGMMPCDKIFGNFKELDEKAA.jimdettman@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <004101c5a253$f8ef1310$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

A /decompile / compile / compact / repair has always fixed it for me.  

John W. Colby
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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 6:17 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Bug Report


Rocky,

  None that I'm aware of.  I usually do a /decompile as soon as I see the
weird stuff start to happen.

  That pretty much clears it up.  If not, I go to a backup.

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
Beach Access Software
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 4:36 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Bug Report


Jim:

"code breaks on a line where a breakpoint was but is no longer"

I've had this happen as well, even more embarrassing, at the customer when
suddenly they find themselves in the code page with a yellow highlight.  Has
there been no fix for this from MS?

Rocky




From jimdettman at earthlink.net  Tue Aug 16 06:31:08 2005
From: jimdettman at earthlink.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 07:31:08 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Bug Report
In-Reply-To: <004101c5a253$f8ef1310$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <NDEALJOEGMMPCDKIFGNFOELHEKAA.jimdettman@earthlink.net>

John,

  I thought you said the other day that this didn't work for you?

"Yea, I've seen this too.  Breaks even though the breakbpoint was removed.
I
think it is the same issue, i.e. "invisible stuff" in the source code that
is not properly stripped out.

Unfortunately /decompile does not help in this case.  All that /decompile
does is throw out the pcode stream forcing a recompile of the entire source
code stream.  If the source stream is bad then the next compile will just
recreate the bad pcode."

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 7:17 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Bug Report


A /decompile / compile / compact / repair has always fixed it for me.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 6:17 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Bug Report


Rocky,

  None that I'm aware of.  I usually do a /decompile as soon as I see the
weird stuff start to happen.

  That pretty much clears it up.  If not, I go to a backup.

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
Beach Access Software
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 4:36 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Bug Report


Jim:

"code breaks on a line where a breakpoint was but is no longer"

I've had this happen as well, even more embarrassing, at the customer when
suddenly they find themselves in the code page with a yellow highlight.  Has
there been no fix for this from MS?

Rocky


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From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Tue Aug 16 06:39:48 2005
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps - IT Helps)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 13:39:48 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Bug Report
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF1B5DE4@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

Had this dozen of times.
Enter a extra line (may be blanc) before or after the invisible
breakpoint and compile/save again.

Erwin


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 1:31 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Bug Report

John,

  I thought you said the other day that this didn't work for you?

"Yea, I've seen this too.  Breaks even though the breakbpoint was
removed.
I
think it is the same issue, i.e. "invisible stuff" in the source code
that is not properly stripped out.

Unfortunately /decompile does not help in this case.  All that
/decompile does is throw out the pcode stream forcing a recompile of the
entire source code stream.  If the source stream is bad then the next
compile will just recreate the bad pcode."

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 7:17 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Bug Report


A /decompile / compile / compact / repair has always fixed it for me.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 6:17 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Bug Report


Rocky,

  None that I'm aware of.  I usually do a /decompile as soon as I see
the weird stuff start to happen.

  That pretty much clears it up.  If not, I go to a backup.

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
Beach Access Software
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 4:36 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Bug Report


Jim:

"code breaks on a line where a breakpoint was but is no longer"

I've had this happen as well, even more embarrassing, at the customer
when suddenly they find themselves in the code page with a yellow
highlight.  Has there been no fix for this from MS?

Rocky


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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Aug 16 06:57:35 2005
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 07:57:35 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Bug Report
In-Reply-To: <NDEALJOEGMMPCDKIFGNFOELHEKAA.jimdettman@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <004201c5a259$b0d252d0$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

Oh, sorry.  I was discussing my particular bug, not the "breakpoint" case.

/decompile definitely has always solved the cases I've seen of the
"breakpoint" issue.  And I see it quite often.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 7:31 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Bug Report


John,

  I thought you said the other day that this didn't work for you?

"Yea, I've seen this too.  Breaks even though the breakbpoint was removed. I
think it is the same issue, i.e. "invisible stuff" in the source code that
is not properly stripped out.

Unfortunately /decompile does not help in this case.  All that /decompile
does is throw out the pcode stream forcing a recompile of the entire source
code stream.  If the source stream is bad then the next compile will just
recreate the bad pcode."

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 7:17 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Bug Report


A /decompile / compile / compact / repair has always fixed it for me.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 6:17 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Bug Report


Rocky,

  None that I'm aware of.  I usually do a /decompile as soon as I see the
weird stuff start to happen.

  That pretty much clears it up.  If not, I go to a backup.

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
Beach Access Software
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 4:36 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Bug Report


Jim:

"code breaks on a line where a breakpoint was but is no longer"

I've had this happen as well, even more embarrassing, at the customer when
suddenly they find themselves in the code page with a yellow highlight.  Has
there been no fix for this from MS?

Rocky


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From prosoft6 at hotmail.com  Tue Aug 16 07:50:52 2005
From: prosoft6 at hotmail.com (Julie Reardon-Taylor)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 08:50:52 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas
In-Reply-To: <s301ae37.009@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <BAY104-F11C0546937BA8EAFAB50889AB00@phx.gbl>

Bryan,

Where are you located?  I know of a company who is trying to fill sixteen IT 
positions this fall.



Julie Reardon-Taylor
PRO-SOFT OF NY, INC.
44 Public Square Suite #5
Watertown, NY 13601
Phone/Fax: (315) 785-0319
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From garykjos at gmail.com  Tue Aug 16 07:57:55 2005
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 07:57:55 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Database close bug (apparently) resolved
In-Reply-To: <002501c5a1fe$388e4460$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>
References: <002501c5a1fe$388e4460$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <aea6c49505081605573fcce8f2@mail.gmail.com>

Hooray!  Perseverance wins again John!

On 8/15/05, John W. Colby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
> Well...
> 
> It appears that my bug has been resolved.
> 

-- 
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From prosoft6 at hotmail.com  Tue Aug 16 08:35:07 2005
From: prosoft6 at hotmail.com (Julie Reardon-Taylor)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 09:35:07 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] New Record Appearing on Top
Message-ID: <BAY104-F21A6D9BA44685DEE3470A59AB00@phx.gbl>

I have seen this question posted before and cannot remember the response.  A 
client has asked that the "new" record in a continuous form appear at the 
top.  I know that Access doesn't work that way.....but is there a way to do 
this?



Julie Reardon-Taylor
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From paul.hartland at isharp.co.uk  Tue Aug 16 08:41:49 2005
From: paul.hartland at isharp.co.uk (Paul Hartland (ISHARP))
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 14:41:49 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] New Record Appearing on Top
In-Reply-To: <BAY104-F21A6D9BA44685DEE3470A59AB00@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAC4AAAAAAAAAclrM129q6km1GlSfRwF8CgEAFKerAD79REu7GTojEo2iDgAAAAddkgAAEAAAAA9a2mmb1u1Jlqoi/fzDKh4BAAAAAA==@isharp.co.uk>

The way I used to do this is if you have something like an autonumber on the
table for the new record, is sort the subform on the Autonumber in
descending order 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Julie
Reardon-Taylor
Sent: 16 August 2005 14:35
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] New Record Appearing on Top

I have seen this question posted before and cannot remember the response.  A
client has asked that the "new" record in a continuous form appear at the
top.  I know that Access doesn't work that way.....but is there a way to do
this?



Julie Reardon-Taylor
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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Tue Aug 16 08:48:20 2005
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 08:48:20 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] New Record Appearing on Top
In-Reply-To: <4640397.1124198665347.JavaMail.root@sniper21>
Message-ID: <000001c5a269$2bb3b2f0$0300a8c0@danwaters>

Julie,

Yes - and it's a nice feature.  

The way to do this is to create fields directly above the subform container
that mimic the fields in the continuous form.  These fields will be unbound.
A user will fill in these fields and push a Save button when done.  The save
button will cause the data in the unbound fields to be inserted into the
table behind the subform.  If your subform is sorted in descending order by
it's autonumber field, then the new record will display at the top of the
subform.

I use this method in an hours tracking database.  The Save button's click
event code is shown below:

Private Sub butSaveHours_Click()
    
    Dim stgSQL As String
    
    stgSQL = "INSERT INTO tblHours (ClientID, Category, SubCategory, Hours,
ActivityDate, Description)" _
        & " VALUES (" & txtClientID & ", '" & cboCategory & "', '" &
cboSubCategory & "', " & txtHours & ", '" & txtActivityDate & "', '" &
memDescription & "');"
    DoCmd.SetWarnings False
    DoCmd.RunSQL stgSQL
    DoCmd.SetWarnings True
    
    cboCategory = Null
    cboSubCategory = Null
    txtHours = Null
    txtActivityDate = Null
    memDescription = Null

    Me.Refresh
    
    cboCategory.SetFocus
    butSaveHours.Enabled = False
    
End Sub

Note that the ClientID field is the Primary Key for the main table and is
also the Foreign Key for the related sub table.

HTH,
Dan Waters

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Julie
Reardon-Taylor
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 8:35 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] New Record Appearing on Top

I have seen this question posted before and cannot remember the response.  A

client has asked that the "new" record in a continuous form appear at the 
top.  I know that Access doesn't work that way.....but is there a way to do 
this?



Julie Reardon-Taylor
PRO-SOFT OF NY, INC.
44 Public Square Suite #5
Watertown, NY 13601
Phone/Fax: (315) 785-0319
www.pro-soft.net


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From prosoft6 at hotmail.com  Tue Aug 16 09:10:05 2005
From: prosoft6 at hotmail.com (Julie Reardon-Taylor)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 10:10:05 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] New Record Appearing on Top
In-Reply-To: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAC4AAAAAAAAAclrM129q6km1GlSfRwF8CgEAFKerAD79REu7GTojEo2iDgAAAAddkgAAEAAAAA9a2mmb1u1Jlqoi/fzDKh4BAAAAAA==@isharp.co.uk>
Message-ID: <BAY104-F42323A8D02FF49AF44E8879AB00@phx.gbl>

Thanks Dan and Paul.  Very useful info, I'll try it.  As always, this group 
is awesome!!!!!



Julie Reardon-Taylor
PRO-SOFT OF NY, INC.
44 Public Square Suite #5
Watertown, NY 13601
Phone/Fax: (315) 785-0319
www.pro-soft.net




From adtp at touchtelindia.net  Tue Aug 16 09:27:37 2005
From: adtp at touchtelindia.net (A.D.Tejpal)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 19:57:37 +0530
Subject: [AccessD] New Record Appearing on Top
References: <BAY104-F21A6D9BA44685DEE3470A59AB00@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <009401c5a26e$cee95e70$891865cb@winxp>

Julie,

    My sample db named AddDataAtTop might be of interest to you. It is available at Rogers Access Library (other developers library). Link - http://www.rogersaccesslibrary.com

    The sample demonstrates three styles of data entry at top of a subform -
    (a) Continuous Form Display (Using Command Button) - 
        Data is entered via unbound text boxes in subform header, using command button on the parent form. Freshly added Record is highlighted in green, while other recent records added in current session are shown in orange.
    (b) Datasheet Display (Using Command Button) - 
        On clicking the command button on parent form, fresh blank record (highlighted in green) is presented at the top of subform for enabling data entry. Recent records added in current session are shown in orange.
    (c) Datasheet Display (Auto - No command button) -
        On opening the main form, user is presented with fresh blank record (highlighted in green) at the top of subform. As soon as data entry commences in this record, its back color changes to yellow, while another fresh blank record (in green) is offered at top. All other recent records added in current session are shown in orange.

    You could adapt the underlying approach suitably, for your specific needs.

Best wishes,
A.D.Tejpal
--------------

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Julie Reardon-Taylor 
  To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 19:05
  Subject: [AccessD] New Record Appearing on Top


  I have seen this question posted before and cannot remember the response.  A client has asked that the "new" record in a continuous form appear at the top.  I know that Access doesn't work that way.....but is there a way to do this?

  Julie Reardon-Taylor
  PRO-SOFT OF NY, INC.
  44 Public Square Suite #5
  Watertown, NY 13601
  Phone/Fax: (315) 785-0319
  www.pro-soft.net


From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Tue Aug 16 09:31:15 2005
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 15:31:15 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] New Record Appearing on Top
Message-ID: <20050816143112.85AC024DEB6@smtp.nildram.co.uk>

I don't know if you use BEU, Julie, but if you do that gives an example of
what Dan's describing.

--
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http://www.minstersystems.co.uk




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Subject: RE: [AccessD] New Record Appearing on Top
Date: 16/08/05 14:11


Thanks Dan and Paul. Very useful info, I'll try it. As always, this group
is awesome!!!!!



Julie Reardon-Taylor
PRO-SOFT OF NY, INC.
44 Public Square Suite #5
Watertown, NY 13601
Phone/Fax: (315) 785-0319
www.pro-soft.net


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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Tue Aug 16 09:47:11 2005
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 09:47:11 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Excel VBA Cell Selection Syntax (x-posted)
Message-ID: <000201c5a271$63f85370$0300a8c0@danwaters>

Hello to All,

I'm struggling with syntax for the selection of cells when trying to use row
and column indexes.  Below is an example:

Example A:
    Worksheets("Available Items").Range("A2:B123").Select

Example B:
    Worksheets("Available Items").Range(Cells(2, 1), Cells(123, 2)).Select

Example A works fine, but B does not.  Both are from Excel Help files (see
the Range Property).  Once this works I will substitute a variable for the
123 value.

Thanks!
Dan Waters



From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue Aug 16 10:39:33 2005
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 08:39:33 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] New Record Appearing on Top
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86873BB7@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Others have given you chapter and verse on approaches to this, so let me
ask you a question:  Is the client going to be happy with the new rows
falling to the bottom of the list after they're added "at the top"?
Depending on the default sort for the form/subform, that row just added
at the top may disappear entirely from the visible records.  That is
something clients frequently overlook when asking for a feature like
this, and it needs to be discussed before you go to a lot of effort to
provide something they're going to decide they don't like.  

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Julie Reardon-Taylor [mailto:prosoft6 at hotmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 6:35 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] New Record Appearing on Top


I have seen this question posted before and cannot remember the
response.  A 
client has asked that the "new" record in a continuous form appear at
the 
top.  I know that Access doesn't work that way.....but is there a way to
do 
this?



Julie Reardon-Taylor
PRO-SOFT OF NY, INC.
44 Public Square Suite #5
Watertown, NY 13601
Phone/Fax: (315) 785-0319
www.pro-soft.net


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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue Aug 16 10:43:17 2005
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 08:43:17 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86873BB8@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Bryan,

Get the student version and dive into VB.Net.  It takes time to learn
but the results are well worth it.

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Bryan Carbonnell [mailto:carbonnb at sympatico.ca] 
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 6:45 PM
To: access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas


I have found myself in a situation that gives me an inordinate amount 
of free time and I'm looking for some ideas to fill my time.

I am thinking of something that would make development easier or a 
specifc app that would greatly help developers. I need something to 
keep my mind active and fingers busy :)

It can be anything from Access to Word to Excel (Office 2K), even VB 
6.

I'm open to any and all suggestion. And If I can learn something new, 
that would be even better.

Let the flood gates open :-)

-- 
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From R.Griffiths at bury.gov.uk  Tue Aug 16 10:46:56 2005
From: R.Griffiths at bury.gov.uk (Griffiths, Richard)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 16:46:56 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Update BE
Message-ID: <200508161536.j7GFan926891@smarthost.yourcomms.net>

Hi

After advice/resources.

I have written an application using vb.net which is to run with A2K BE
and SQL 2000 BE.
I am trying to think about how to update the back end.  I have a number
of options, one being to write VB code and using DAO or ADO update the
BE. But I think this will involve  further deployment of VB and Jet/Vba
and MS Access (runtime) etc.
The other option (no doubt there are others) is to write CREATE TABLE
and ALTER TABLE statements (and this can be deployed within a exe
running vb.net).  I think this is tidier, however there is not much
documentation on this process ( CREATE TABLE and ALTER TABLE etc) for MS
Access.  Does anyone have code and/or can offer good sources on the web
to help me here.  Any other solutions?

Many thanks

Richard




From Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com  Tue Aug 16 10:44:29 2005
From: Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com (Hale, Jim)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 10:44:29 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Excel VBA Cell Selection Syntax (x-posted)
Message-ID: <6A6AA9DF57E4F046BDA1E273BDDB6772337787@corp-es01.fleetpride.com>

try (runs from within Excel. If you want to run from inside Access you will
need an Excel object)

Function test()
Dim wsItems As Worksheet
Set wsItems = Worksheets("Available Items")
wsItems.Range(wsItems.Cells(2, 1), wsItems.Cells(123, 2)).Select
Set wsItems = Nothing
End Function

Jim Hale

-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Waters [mailto:dwaters at usinternet.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 9:47 AM
To: DBA-Tech; AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Excel VBA Cell Selection Syntax (x-posted)


Hello to All,

I'm struggling with syntax for the selection of cells when trying to use row
and column indexes.  Below is an example:

Example A:
    Worksheets("Available Items").Range("A2:B123").Select

Example B:
    Worksheets("Available Items").Range(Cells(2, 1), Cells(123, 2)).Select

Example A works fine, but B does not.  Both are from Excel Help files (see
the Range Property).  Once this works I will substitute a variable for the
123 value.

Thanks!
Dan Waters

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue Aug 16 10:46:51 2005
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 08:46:51 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Database close bug (apparently) resolved
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86873BB9@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Glad you found the problem and the answer, John.  One of the plagues on
my existence is when all the code runs as you step through it and then
throws an error on the End Sub line!!  Tracking that down usually has me
beating my head against the walls because the error in question is often
entirely unrelated to the sub itself! :-{

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 6:03 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Database close bug (apparently) resolved


Well...

It appears that my bug has been resolved.

The form in question has a combo, the list for which is a result of a
state machine.  IOW, if you are in state A, then you can go to state B,
D, F or G but not C, E etc.

Thus the list for the combo has to be calculated as the form opens based
on the current state, a SQL statement generated and placed in the combo
rowsource property.  In fact, for troubleshooting purposes, I had a
saved querydef which I modified with the results of this calculated SQL
Statement, then placed the name of the saved query in the combo's
RowSource property after the calculation, and modification of the
querydef.

Once I knew that it was this class that was causing the issue, I was
able to "divide and conquer" (comment out statements until it was found)
and discovered that it was the process of modifying the saved querydef
that was causing the unexpected close.  The combo RowSource is set to
the name of the saved query when the form opens, then the RowSource is
set to "" (cleared), the querydef opened and the SQL property modified
with the calculated SQL statement and closed, then the name of the query
placed back in the combo which causes the combo to "requery" and pull
the data per the SQL statement and display that dataset.

For whatever reason, that modify/save/store in combo process was causing
the close issue.  By simply deleting the named query from the combo's
RowSource, then placing the SQL statement itself directly in the combo,
the database no longer closes unexpectedly.  Now I have to do a "Find"
to make sure that the stored query is not used any where else after the
combo is loaded, and if not, I can just leave things as they are with a
note in the commented out code to indicate that it caused my "database
close" issue.

What a PITA.  And why doesn't Access close immediately (or better yet,
throw an error if it doesn't like this?) when I am screwing around with
the querydef instead of after OnCurrent finishes?  And what is it that
makes it OS sensitive?  All things I will no doubt never see the answer
to.

But... I have fixed my problem.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Tue Aug 16 11:13:52 2005
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 11:13:52 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Excel VBA Cell Selection Syntax (x-posted)
In-Reply-To: <4467491.1124207341552.JavaMail.root@sniper17>
Message-ID: <000001c5a27d$813b0e30$0300a8c0@danwaters>

Hi Jim,

Well - I got the same 1004 (Select Method of Range Class Failed) error.  I
am running from within Excel.

However, when I held the mouse over the wsItems.Cells phrase, intellisense
displayed the value of that cell.  Seems like a step forward but more is
needed.

Dan Waters


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hale, Jim
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 10:44 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT - Excel VBA Cell Selection Syntax (x-posted)

try (runs from within Excel. If you want to run from inside Access you will
need an Excel object)

Function test()
Dim wsItems As Worksheet
Set wsItems = Worksheets("Available Items")
wsItems.Range(wsItems.Cells(2, 1), wsItems.Cells(123, 2)).Select
Set wsItems = Nothing
End Function

Jim Hale

-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Waters [mailto:dwaters at usinternet.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 9:47 AM
To: DBA-Tech; AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Excel VBA Cell Selection Syntax (x-posted)


Hello to All,

I'm struggling with syntax for the selection of cells when trying to use row
and column indexes.  Below is an example:

Example A:
    Worksheets("Available Items").Range("A2:B123").Select

Example B:
    Worksheets("Available Items").Range(Cells(2, 1), Cells(123, 2)).Select

Example A works fine, but B does not.  Both are from Excel Help files (see
the Range Property).  Once this works I will substitute a variable for the
123 value.

Thanks!
Dan Waters

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From prosoft6 at hotmail.com  Tue Aug 16 11:31:48 2005
From: prosoft6 at hotmail.com (Julie Reardon-Taylor)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 12:31:48 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] New Record Appearing on Top
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86873BB7@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <BAY104-F399A680E9A360EC3228DA09AB00@phx.gbl>

Good point Charlotte.  I don't really like it either.....and certainly have 
given the client what they want, only to have to turn around and "re-do" 
what they thought was a great thing.  Thank you for your thoughts.



Julie Reardon-Taylor
PRO-SOFT OF NY, INC.
44 Public Square Suite #5
Watertown, NY 13601
Phone/Fax: (315) 785-0319
www.pro-soft.net




From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Tue Aug 16 11:29:48 2005
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (DWUTKA at marlow.com)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 11:29:48 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas
Message-ID: <123701F54509D9119A4F00D0B747349016DD4A@main2.marlow.com>

How about a master table-linker service?  Create a service that can be run
on any machine in the network, which 'knows' the location of all linked
tables.  One module in the database runs at startup, 'scans' the network for
the 'server' which tells it if it needs to relink it's tables or not.

I've got code for the scanning portion.....

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Bryan Carbonnell [mailto:carbonnb at sympatico.ca]
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 8:45 PM
To: access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas


I have found myself in a situation that gives me an inordinate amount 
of free time and I'm looking for some ideas to fill my time.

I am thinking of something that would make development easier or a 
specifc app that would greatly help developers. I need something to 
keep my mind active and fingers busy :)

It can be anything from Access to Word to Excel (Office 2K), even VB 
6.

I'm open to any and all suggestion. And If I can learn something new, 
that would be even better.

Let the flood gates open :-)

-- 
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From Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com  Tue Aug 16 11:43:49 2005
From: Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com (Hale, Jim)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 11:43:49 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Excel VBA Cell Selection Syntax (x-posted)
Message-ID: <6A6AA9DF57E4F046BDA1E273BDDB6772337789@corp-es01.fleetpride.com>

This function works fine in my test workbook. Is "available items" correct,
ie. no leading or trailing spaces in the name? Also, make sure wsItems is
dimmed as a worksheet not worksheets.
Jim Hale

-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Waters [mailto:dwaters at usinternet.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 11:14 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT - Excel VBA Cell Selection Syntax (x-posted)


Hi Jim,

Well - I got the same 1004 (Select Method of Range Class Failed) error.  I
am running from within Excel.

However, when I held the mouse over the wsItems.Cells phrase, intellisense
displayed the value of that cell.  Seems like a step forward but more is
needed.

Dan Waters


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hale, Jim
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 10:44 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT - Excel VBA Cell Selection Syntax (x-posted)

try (runs from within Excel. If you want to run from inside Access you will
need an Excel object)

Function test()
Dim wsItems As Worksheet
Set wsItems = Worksheets("Available Items")
wsItems.Range(wsItems.Cells(2, 1), wsItems.Cells(123, 2)).Select
Set wsItems = Nothing
End Function

Jim Hale

-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Waters [mailto:dwaters at usinternet.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 9:47 AM
To: DBA-Tech; AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Excel VBA Cell Selection Syntax (x-posted)


Hello to All,

I'm struggling with syntax for the selection of cells when trying to use row
and column indexes.  Below is an example:

Example A:
    Worksheets("Available Items").Range("A2:B123").Select

Example B:
    Worksheets("Available Items").Range(Cells(2, 1), Cells(123, 2)).Select

Example A works fine, but B does not.  Both are from Excel Help files (see
the Range Property).  Once this works I will substitute a variable for the
123 value.

Thanks!
Dan Waters

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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Tue Aug 16 13:53:38 2005
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 13:53:38 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Excel VBA Cell Selection Syntax (x-posted)
In-Reply-To: <23876804.1124210819788.JavaMail.root@sniper17>
Message-ID: <000001c5a293$d2132750$0300a8c0@danwaters>

Yes, it is correct.

I'm going to try creating a new workbook and copy everything over, just in
case there is something wrong with the file itself.

Dan Waters


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hale, Jim
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 11:44 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT - Excel VBA Cell Selection Syntax (x-posted)

This function works fine in my test workbook. Is "available items" correct,
ie. no leading or trailing spaces in the name? Also, make sure wsItems is
dimmed as a worksheet not worksheets.
Jim Hale

-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Waters [mailto:dwaters at usinternet.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 11:14 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT - Excel VBA Cell Selection Syntax (x-posted)


Hi Jim,

Well - I got the same 1004 (Select Method of Range Class Failed) error.  I
am running from within Excel.

However, when I held the mouse over the wsItems.Cells phrase, intellisense
displayed the value of that cell.  Seems like a step forward but more is
needed.

Dan Waters


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hale, Jim
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 10:44 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT - Excel VBA Cell Selection Syntax (x-posted)

try (runs from within Excel. If you want to run from inside Access you will
need an Excel object)

Function test()
Dim wsItems As Worksheet
Set wsItems = Worksheets("Available Items")
wsItems.Range(wsItems.Cells(2, 1), wsItems.Cells(123, 2)).Select
Set wsItems = Nothing
End Function

Jim Hale

-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Waters [mailto:dwaters at usinternet.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 9:47 AM
To: DBA-Tech; AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Excel VBA Cell Selection Syntax (x-posted)


Hello to All,

I'm struggling with syntax for the selection of cells when trying to use row
and column indexes.  Below is an example:

Example A:
    Worksheets("Available Items").Range("A2:B123").Select

Example B:
    Worksheets("Available Items").Range(Cells(2, 1), Cells(123, 2)).Select

Example A works fine, but B does not.  Both are from Excel Help files (see
the Range Property).  Once this works I will substitute a variable for the
123 value.

Thanks!
Dan Waters

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Aug 16 13:56:30 2005
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 14:56:30 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas
In-Reply-To: <BAY104-F11C0546937BA8EAFAB50889AB00@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <001f01c5a294$39f4ef20$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

What kind of wages?

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Julie
Reardon-Taylor
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 8:51 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas


Bryan,

Where are you located?  I know of a company who is trying to fill sixteen IT

positions this fall.



Julie Reardon-Taylor
PRO-SOFT OF NY, INC.
44 Public Square Suite #5
Watertown, NY 13601
Phone/Fax: (315) 785-0319
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From john at winhaven.net  Tue Aug 16 14:08:35 2005
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 14:08:35 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas
In-Reply-To: <BAYC1-PASMTP0207B39A1274386D8BD230AEB00@cez.ice>
Message-ID: <200508161908.j7GJ8aR24489@databaseadvisors.com>

Hi Bryan,
An ambitiuos question!

How about a set of classes for easily automating Word from Access?

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bryan Carbonnell
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 8:45 PM
To: access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas

I have found myself in a situation that gives me an inordinate amount of
free time and I'm looking for some ideas to fill my time.

I am thinking of something that would make development easier or a specifc
app that would greatly help developers. I need something to keep my mind
active and fingers busy :)

It can be anything from Access to Word to Excel (Office 2K), even VB 6.

I'm open to any and all suggestion. And If I can learn something new, that
would be even better.

Let the flood gates open :-)

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From Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com  Tue Aug 16 14:25:20 2005
From: Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com (Hale, Jim)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 14:25:20 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas
Message-ID: <6A6AA9DF57E4F046BDA1E273BDDB677233778A@corp-es01.fleetpride.com>

One of my favorite Access books was "Access 95 How-To" by Ken Getz and Paul
Litwin. It was updated and re-released as the "Access Cookbook" by O'Reilly
in 2002. This book posed a problem and provided the solution together with a
detailed explanation. No extraneous junk. The reason I bring this up is that
I think an AccessD book organized along the same lines would make a
fantastic project. After all, the archives have hundreds of solution
unavailable elsewhere. AccessD could receive royalties along with the author
to allow the group to continue paying its modest bills. I presume releases
would be required from posters since some material (such as John's framework
tutorials) are intended for publication in their own book. As the authors on
this list can attest no book is an "easy" project but I think this would be
a win for AccessD, developers, and the author willing to take on the job. My
2 cents.

Jim Hale

-----Original Message-----
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 11:30 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas


How about a master table-linker service?  Create a service that can be run
on any machine in the network, which 'knows' the location of all linked
tables.  One module in the database runs at startup, 'scans' the network for
the 'server' which tells it if it needs to relink it's tables or not.

I've got code for the scanning portion.....

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Bryan Carbonnell [mailto:carbonnb at sympatico.ca]
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 8:45 PM
To: access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas


I have found myself in a situation that gives me an inordinate amount 
of free time and I'm looking for some ideas to fill my time.

I am thinking of something that would make development easier or a 
specifc app that would greatly help developers. I need something to 
keep my mind active and fingers busy :)

It can be anything from Access to Word to Excel (Office 2K), even VB 
6.

I'm open to any and all suggestion. And If I can learn something new, 
that would be even better.

Let the flood gates open :-)

-- 
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Don't cry because it's over; smile because it happened. 


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From john at winhaven.net  Tue Aug 16 14:25:46 2005
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 14:25:46 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Welcome to New Subscribers
Message-ID: <200508161925.j7GJPmR28409@databaseadvisors.com>

We've had quite a few new subscribers lately and I just want to say welcome
to all of you!
 
Although you are welcome to just read the mail coming through from others,
or browse our archives, please feel free to ask questions or post comments.
 
We strive for a friendly, community-like attitude here and we all try to
help each other as much as possible. No one gets flamed here for asking
Access related questions at any level!
 
 
Once again, Welcome to our group,
John Bartow, President
Database Advisors, Inc.
Email:  <mailto:president at databaseadvisors.com>
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From jmhecht at earthlink.net  Tue Aug 16 14:45:23 2005
From: jmhecht at earthlink.net (Joe Hecht)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 12:45:23 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas
In-Reply-To: <BAYC1-PASMTP0207B39A1274386D8BD230AEB00@cez.ice>
Message-ID: <001b01c5a29b$0b6d4bf0$6401a8c0@laptop1>

Voice command app that would automatically write John Colby Classes and code
for you.

Joe Hecht
Los Angeles CA

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bryan Carbonnell
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 6:45 PM
To: access at joe2.endjunk.com; access Developers discussion and problem
solving
Subject: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas

I have found myself in a situation that gives me an inordinate amount 
of free time and I'm looking for some ideas to fill my time.

I am thinking of something that would make development easier or a 
specifc app that would greatly help developers. I need something to 
keep my mind active and fingers busy :)

It can be anything from Access to Word to Excel (Office 2K), even VB 
6.

I'm open to any and all suggestion. And If I can learn something new, 
that would be even better.

Let the flood gates open :-)

-- 
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From jmhecht at earthlink.net  Tue Aug 16 14:47:11 2005
From: jmhecht at earthlink.net (Joe Hecht)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 12:47:11 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas
In-Reply-To: <BAY104-F11C0546937BA8EAFAB50889AB00@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <001c01c5a29b$4bb39ca0$6401a8c0@laptop1>

Julie 

Here in Los Angeles Maybe?

Joe Hecht
Los Angeles CA

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Julie
Reardon-Taylor
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 5:51 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas

Bryan,

Where are you located?  I know of a company who is trying to fill sixteen IT

positions this fall.



Julie Reardon-Taylor
PRO-SOFT OF NY, INC.
44 Public Square Suite #5
Watertown, NY 13601
Phone/Fax: (315) 785-0319
www.pro-soft.net


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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Tue Aug 16 14:49:43 2005
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 12:49:43 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Ajax and Atlas with XML
References: <s301ae37.009@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <43024357.8060104@shaw.ca>

If looking for xml info starter sites.

http://www.xml.org
http://www.xml.com
A vb oriented site was once vbxml.com
http://www.topxml.com

Try to buy XML books published in last 3 years otherwise
you wont get latest in XSLT and  XQuery. Old books maybe based on old 
XSL patterns
which might prove confusing.


Now here is the latest buzz in XML development with AJAX.

In computer programming, AJAX (Asynchronous JavaScript and XML) is a 
method of building interactive applications for the Web that process 
user requests immediately.Ajax allows content on Web pages to update 
immediately when a user performs an action, unlike an HTTP request, 
during which users must wait for a whole new page to load. For example, 
a weather forecasting site could display local conditions on one side of 
the page without delay after a user types in a zip code.
Google Map works this way. ATLAS is a downloadable javascript engine 
Microsoft  is supposed to bring out in September at some convention.

How difficult is this stuff well it is not rocket science. But an 
amalgam of 4 or 5 techniques. Ajax combines several programming tools 
including JavaScript, dynamic HTML (DHTML), Extensible Markup Language 
(XML), cascading style sheets (CSS), the Document Object Model (DOM), 
and the Microsoft object, XMLHttpRequest. After that you can use Web 
Services to grab the xml data. You could modify javascript to VBA too 
for use in Access.

Some sites where you can grab javascript source and  examples of Ajax or 
download them

http://www.clearnova.com/ajax/index.html
http://developer.apple.com/internet/webcontent/XMLHttpRequestExample/example.html

Articles
Dynamic HTML and xmlhttpRequest object
http://developer.apple.com/internet/webcontent/xmlhttpreq.html

Jesse Garrett  What is Ajax?  (The guy that gave it the name)
http://www.adaptivepath.com/publications/essays/archives/000385.php


Here is a elementary ajax sample just place the two files on your web 
server and run with java script enabled
through your favourite browser.

You can also run from hard disk directly in Netscape 7.0 but IE locally 
has security stops and uses file: protocol and not http: protocol so 
wont run correctly
without a lot of  fiddling with settings. Rather than use a object; 
might use document.innerhtml to get around for local use.

On my server these two files  
http://www5.brinkster.com/mconnelly/ajax/ajax.html

Save this file as UTF-8 not ANSI   ajax.html

<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN"
  "http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd">
<html lang="en" dir="ltr">
  <head>
    <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1">
    <title>Developing Web Applications with Ajax - Example</title>
<script type="text/javascript"><!--
function ajaxRead(file){
  var xmlObj = null;
  if(window.XMLHttpRequest){
      xmlObj = new XMLHttpRequest();
  } else if(window.ActiveXObject){
      xmlObj = new ActiveXObject("Microsoft.XMLHTTP");
  } else {
      return;
  }
  xmlObj.onreadystatechange = function(){
    if(xmlObj.readyState == 4){
       updateObj('xmlObj', 
xmlObj.responseXML.getElementsByTagName('data')[0].firstChild.data);
     }
    }
    xmlObj.open ('GET', file, true);
    xmlObj.send ('');
  }
  function updateObj(obj, data){
   document.getElementById(obj).firstChild.data = data;
  }
  //--></script>
  </head>
  <body>
    <h1>Developing Web Applications with Ajax</h1>
    <p>This page demonstrates the use of Asynchronous Javascript and XML 
(Ajax) technology to
    update a web page's content by reading from a remote file 
dynamically -- no page reloading
    is required. Note that this operation does not work for users 
without JavaScript enabled.</p>
    <p id="xmlObj">
    This is some sample data. It is the default data for this web page. 
<a href="data.xml"
    title="View the XML data." onclick="ajaxRead('data.xml'); 
this.style.display='none'; return false">View XML     data.</a>
    </p>
  </body>
</html>


 Save this file below as UTF-8 data.xml

<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
<root>
  <data>
    This is some sample data. It is stored in an XML file and retrieved 
by JavaScript.
  </data>
</root>




Gustav Brock wrote:

>Hi Bryan
>
>So no job? Or wife?? Is that what you are trying to tell?
>On the other hand (for the job option, cannot tell for the wife
>option), with your knowledge I would expect it to be easy for you to
>find some "new challenges" except, of course, if things are a little
>more complicated than they may appear to be ...
>
>Currently I'm facing some XML work. Haven't done anything with this and
>Access and hardly know where to look except browsing this list ...
>So an XML cookbook or guide is a suggestion.
>
>/gustav
>
>  
>
>>>>carbonnb at sympatico.ca 08/16 3:45 am >>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>I have found myself in a situation that gives me an inordinate amount 
>of free time and I'm looking for some ideas to fill my time.
>
>I am thinking of something that would make development easier or a 
>specifc app that would greatly help developers. I need something to 
>keep my mind active and fingers busy :)
>
>It can be anything from Access to Word to Excel (Office 2K), even VB 
>6.
>
>I'm open to any and all suggestion. And If I can learn something new, 
>that would be even better.
>
>Let the flood gates open :-)
>
>  
>

-- 
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada





From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Tue Aug 16 14:59:57 2005
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (DWUTKA at marlow.com)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 14:59:57 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas
Message-ID: <123701F54509D9119A4F00D0B747349016DD4C@main2.marlow.com>

That's easy, and requires no code or special hardware.  Just call up JC, and
tell him that you don't think his framework would hand XYZ...and let him
prove you wrong.  When he has given you proof, thank him, tell him he's
stellar, and a god among mortals, and walk away with completed JC Classes.

<grin>

Of course, the same method will work on me too....

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Hecht [mailto:jmhecht at earthlink.net]
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 2:45 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas


Voice command app that would automatically write John Colby Classes and code
for you.

Joe Hecht
Los Angeles CA

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bryan Carbonnell
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 6:45 PM
To: access at joe2.endjunk.com; access Developers discussion and problem
solving
Subject: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas

I have found myself in a situation that gives me an inordinate amount 
of free time and I'm looking for some ideas to fill my time.

I am thinking of something that would make development easier or a 
specifc app that would greatly help developers. I need something to 
keep my mind active and fingers busy :)

It can be anything from Access to Word to Excel (Office 2K), even VB 
6.

I'm open to any and all suggestion. And If I can learn something new, 
that would be even better.

Let the flood gates open :-)

-- 
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Don't cry because it's over; smile because it happened. 


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From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com  Tue Aug 16 16:23:58 2005
From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 16:23:58 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Why is function being called??
Message-ID: <F1DD538AE6BCE74EBE562DE51564D322FABF60@houexch1.kindermorgan.com>

Below is a piece of code. DaysInMonth is a function. When the code runs
and hits the line  myds1.Fields(2) = Nz(myds4.Fields(8)) the function
runs. I don't see anything that is calling it. Your thoughts
appreciated.

 

Do Until myds4.EOF

    DaysinMonth = DaysInMonth2(myds3.Fields(1))

    If Day(myds3.Fields(1)) < DaysinMonth And RecordCounter = 1 Then

        StartCounter = Day(myds3.Fields(1))

        ProdDate = myds3.Fields(1)

    Else

        StartCounter = 1

        ProdDate = myds4.Fields(1)

    End If

        

    

    For I = StartCounter To DaysinMonth

        myds1.AddNew

            myds1.Fields(0) = ProdDate

            myds1.Fields(1) = myds4.Fields(0)

            myds1.Fields(2) = Nz(myds4.Fields(8))

        myds1.Update

        ProdDate = ProdDate + 1

    Next I

    RecordCounter = RecordCounter + 1

    myds4.MoveNext

Loop

 

Chester Kaup

Engineering Technician

Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP

Office (432) 688-3797

FAX (432) 688-3799

 

 

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number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced.

 



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Aug 16 16:25:58 2005
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 17:25:58 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas
In-Reply-To: <123701F54509D9119A4F00D0B747349016DD4C@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <004e01c5a2a9$1bf1a080$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

ROTFLMAO.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of DWUTKA at marlow.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 4:00 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas


That's easy, and requires no code or special hardware.  Just call up JC, and
tell him that you don't think his framework would hand XYZ...and let him
prove you wrong.  When he has given you proof, thank him, tell him he's
stellar, and a god among mortals, and walk away with completed JC Classes.

<grin>

Of course, the same method will work on me too....

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Hecht [mailto:jmhecht at earthlink.net]
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 2:45 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas


Voice command app that would automatically write John Colby Classes and code
for you.

Joe Hecht
Los Angeles CA

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From pedro at plex.nl  Tue Aug 16 16:36:04 2005
From: pedro at plex.nl (Pedro Janssen)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 23:36:04 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] checkboxes aren't functioning
Message-ID: <00aa01c5a2aa$8221f250$fac581d5@pedro>

Hello Group,

how is it possible that suddenly on a form in almost al records certain checkboxes are working but in some records they don't function (are greyed out and can't make them "true" or "not true").
Nothing strange happened before.

Pedro Janssen


From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Tue Aug 16 16:36:35 2005
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (DWUTKA at marlow.com)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 16:36:35 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas
Message-ID: <123701F54509D9119A4F00D0B747349016DD50@main2.marlow.com>

<grin>, I was hoping you were going to get a good chuckle out of that.
Personally, I think that is one of the main factors why this list puts out
good tips, and is so helpful to people.  It's the 'chest pounding' factor.
Whether we want to admit it or not, we'll fall all over each other trying to
help someone because we want to show off a bit.  This is one of the rare
parts of our lives where people actually CAN appreciate how brilliant we all
our.... ;)

I tried explaining a process I was working on involving custom events and
classes to a fellow computer geek, and I got the glassy eyed look of
complete confusion.  

So to everyone on the list, we're all geniuses....so pat someone on the back
when you can, and get ready to be patted yourself.  Yes, to the rest of the
world we're a bunch of 'nerds', but wear that label with pride. (a few
tattoos and a decent weight training program will keep most of the 'nerd'
remarks in check....) ;)

Just keep in mind that while we all like to impress with our ideas, genius
comes with a lot of prejudice, so the occasional bound/unbound,
natural/surrogate key, and naming convention argument are simply a way of
maintaining our individuality in the world of massive neuron flux.  ;)

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 4:26 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas


ROTFLMAO.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of DWUTKA at marlow.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 4:00 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas


That's easy, and requires no code or special hardware.  Just call up JC, and
tell him that you don't think his framework would hand XYZ...and let him
prove you wrong.  When he has given you proof, thank him, tell him he's
stellar, and a god among mortals, and walk away with completed JC Classes.

<grin>

Of course, the same method will work on me too....

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Hecht [mailto:jmhecht at earthlink.net]
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 2:45 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas


Voice command app that would automatically write John Colby Classes and code
for you.

Joe Hecht
Los Angeles CA

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue Aug 16 16:54:03 2005
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 14:54:03 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] checkboxes aren't functioning
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86873BBA@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Not enough information to provide an answer.  If the checkboxes are
actually disabled on existing records, then I would suspect  code behind
the form disabling them depending on specific circumstances.

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Pedro Janssen [mailto:pedro at plex.nl] 
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 2:36 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] checkboxes aren't functioning


Hello Group,

how is it possible that suddenly on a form in almost al records certain
checkboxes are working but in some records they don't function (are
greyed out and can't make them "true" or "not true"). Nothing strange
happened before.

Pedro Janssen
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From karenr7 at oz.net  Tue Aug 16 17:14:16 2005
From: karenr7 at oz.net (Karen Rosenstiel)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 15:14:16 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] WIERD little problem
In-Reply-To: <7B1961ED924D1A459E378C9B1BB22B4C0492CC71@natexch.jenkens.com>
Message-ID: <200508162214.j7GMEER15199@databaseadvisors.com>

I have a simple little scheduling database, front end and back end. I tried
to print a report for tomorrow - a simple list - the database crashed. For
some strange reason I cannot print the reports I need for tomorrow, although
I could print reports for different dates - just not for tomorrow. It closed
itself down and tried to compact itself and send a report to MS. 

At that point, I discovered that one of staff left open the front end with a
little popup form from which you can view or print the reports wide open. I
got her out of a meeting to shut down her open Access and then deleted the
backup copies and the .ldb files. I could compact/repair the BE but not the
FE. 

Has anybody had anything like this happen before? Any suggestions? I need to
mention that I can't send the database to anybody for inspection because of
confidentiality restrictions (I work in a jail health clinic).

Thanks in advance.

Regards,

Karen Rosenstiel
Seattle WA USA 




From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Aug 16 17:26:45 2005
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 18:26:45 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas
In-Reply-To: <123701F54509D9119A4F00D0B747349016DD50@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <004f01c5a2b1$961ad860$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

>so the occasional bound/unbound, natural/surrogate key, and naming
convention argument are simply a way of maintaining our individuality in the
world of massive neuron flux.  ;)

No, unbound forms and surrogate keys are just superior.  ;-0  And of course
anyone who doesn't use a naming convention, specifically MY naming
convention is... a dolt.  <grin>

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
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Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 5:37 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas


<grin>, I was hoping you were going to get a good chuckle out of that.
Personally, I think that is one of the main factors why this list puts out
good tips, and is so helpful to people.  It's the 'chest pounding' factor.
Whether we want to admit it or not, we'll fall all over each other trying to
help someone because we want to show off a bit.  This is one of the rare
parts of our lives where people actually CAN appreciate how brilliant we all
our.... ;)

I tried explaining a process I was working on involving custom events and
classes to a fellow computer geek, and I got the glassy eyed look of
complete confusion.  

So to everyone on the list, we're all geniuses....so pat someone on the back
when you can, and get ready to be patted yourself.  Yes, to the rest of the
world we're a bunch of 'nerds', but wear that label with pride. (a few
tattoos and a decent weight training program will keep most of the 'nerd'
remarks in check....) ;)

Just keep in mind that while we all like to impress with our ideas, genius
comes with a lot of prejudice, so the occasional bound/unbound,
natural/surrogate key, and naming convention argument are simply a way of
maintaining our individuality in the world of massive neuron flux.  ;)

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 4:26 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas


ROTFLMAO.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/

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Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 4:00 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas


That's easy, and requires no code or special hardware.  Just call up JC, and
tell him that you don't think his framework would hand XYZ...and let him
prove you wrong.  When he has given you proof, thank him, tell him he's
stellar, and a god among mortals, and walk away with completed JC Classes.

<grin>

Of course, the same method will work on me too....

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Hecht [mailto:jmhecht at earthlink.net]
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 2:45 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas


Voice command app that would automatically write John Colby Classes and code
for you.

Joe Hecht
Los Angeles CA

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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Tue Aug 16 17:34:36 2005
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 17:34:36 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas
In-Reply-To: <2947593.1124231500466.JavaMail.root@sniper15>
Message-ID: <000001c5a2b2$b055f970$0300a8c0@danwaters>

And one more idea is . . .

Create a Database Advisors approved naming convention!

JC - Can you publish the 1st draft?

Dan Waters


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 5:27 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas

>so the occasional bound/unbound, natural/surrogate key, and naming
convention argument are simply a way of maintaining our individuality in the
world of massive neuron flux.  ;)

No, unbound forms and surrogate keys are just superior.  ;-0  And of course
anyone who doesn't use a naming convention, specifically MY naming
convention is... a dolt.  <grin>

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/

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Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 5:37 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas


<grin>, I was hoping you were going to get a good chuckle out of that.
Personally, I think that is one of the main factors why this list puts out
good tips, and is so helpful to people.  It's the 'chest pounding' factor.
Whether we want to admit it or not, we'll fall all over each other trying to
help someone because we want to show off a bit.  This is one of the rare
parts of our lives where people actually CAN appreciate how brilliant we all
our.... ;)

I tried explaining a process I was working on involving custom events and
classes to a fellow computer geek, and I got the glassy eyed look of
complete confusion.  

So to everyone on the list, we're all geniuses....so pat someone on the back
when you can, and get ready to be patted yourself.  Yes, to the rest of the
world we're a bunch of 'nerds', but wear that label with pride. (a few
tattoos and a decent weight training program will keep most of the 'nerd'
remarks in check....) ;)

Just keep in mind that while we all like to impress with our ideas, genius
comes with a lot of prejudice, so the occasional bound/unbound,
natural/surrogate key, and naming convention argument are simply a way of
maintaining our individuality in the world of massive neuron flux.  ;)

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 4:26 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas


ROTFLMAO.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/

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Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 4:00 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas


That's easy, and requires no code or special hardware.  Just call up JC, and
tell him that you don't think his framework would hand XYZ...and let him
prove you wrong.  When he has given you proof, thank him, tell him he's
stellar, and a god among mortals, and walk away with completed JC Classes.

<grin>

Of course, the same method will work on me too....

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Hecht [mailto:jmhecht at earthlink.net]
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 2:45 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas


Voice command app that would automatically write John Colby Classes and code
for you.

Joe Hecht
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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Tue Aug 16 17:34:17 2005
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 15:34:17 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Win 2000 R-bot worm out there
References: <200508162214.j7GMEER15199@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <430269E9.4050809@shaw.ca>

CNN and ABC news reporting a baddy out there shutting down news networks 
on Win 2000 machines

-- 
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada





From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Aug 16 17:39:15 2005
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 15:39:15 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Ajax and Atlas with XML
In-Reply-To: <43024357.8060104@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <0ILC009076XD12@l-daemon>

Hi Marty:

Just a note the Server page update sample. 

It initially shows the following line: This is some sample data. It is the
default data for this web page. View XML data.

.. and when clicking on the link: View XML data

.. the line then displays: This is some sample data. It is stored in an XML
file and retrieved by JavaScript.

.. and that is all. Is there supposed to be more displayed?

Jim

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Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 12:50 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Ajax and Atlas with XML

If looking for xml info starter sites.

http://www.xml.org
http://www.xml.com
A vb oriented site was once vbxml.com
http://www.topxml.com

Try to buy XML books published in last 3 years otherwise
you wont get latest in XSLT and  XQuery. Old books maybe based on old 
XSL patterns
which might prove confusing.


Now here is the latest buzz in XML development with AJAX.

In computer programming, AJAX (Asynchronous JavaScript and XML) is a 
method of building interactive applications for the Web that process 
user requests immediately.Ajax allows content on Web pages to update 
immediately when a user performs an action, unlike an HTTP request, 
during which users must wait for a whole new page to load. For example, 
a weather forecasting site could display local conditions on one side of 
the page without delay after a user types in a zip code.
Google Map works this way. ATLAS is a downloadable javascript engine 
Microsoft  is supposed to bring out in September at some convention.

How difficult is this stuff well it is not rocket science. But an 
amalgam of 4 or 5 techniques. Ajax combines several programming tools 
including JavaScript, dynamic HTML (DHTML), Extensible Markup Language 
(XML), cascading style sheets (CSS), the Document Object Model (DOM), 
and the Microsoft object, XMLHttpRequest. After that you can use Web 
Services to grab the xml data. You could modify javascript to VBA too 
for use in Access.

Some sites where you can grab javascript source and  examples of Ajax or 
download them

http://www.clearnova.com/ajax/index.html
http://developer.apple.com/internet/webcontent/XMLHttpRequestExample/example
.html

Articles
Dynamic HTML and xmlhttpRequest object
http://developer.apple.com/internet/webcontent/xmlhttpreq.html

Jesse Garrett  What is Ajax?  (The guy that gave it the name)
http://www.adaptivepath.com/publications/essays/archives/000385.php


Here is a elementary ajax sample just place the two files on your web 
server and run with java script enabled
through your favourite browser.

You can also run from hard disk directly in Netscape 7.0 but IE locally 
has security stops and uses file: protocol and not http: protocol so 
wont run correctly
without a lot of  fiddling with settings. Rather than use a object; 
might use document.innerhtml to get around for local use.

On my server these two files  
http://www5.brinkster.com/mconnelly/ajax/ajax.html

Save this file as UTF-8 not ANSI   ajax.html

<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN"
  "http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd">
<html lang="en" dir="ltr">
  <head>
    <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1">
    <title>Developing Web Applications with Ajax - Example</title>
<script type="text/javascript"><!--
function ajaxRead(file){
  var xmlObj = null;
  if(window.XMLHttpRequest){
      xmlObj = new XMLHttpRequest();
  } else if(window.ActiveXObject){
      xmlObj = new ActiveXObject("Microsoft.XMLHTTP");
  } else {
      return;
  }
  xmlObj.onreadystatechange = function(){
    if(xmlObj.readyState == 4){
       updateObj('xmlObj', 
xmlObj.responseXML.getElementsByTagName('data')[0].firstChild.data);
     }
    }
    xmlObj.open ('GET', file, true);
    xmlObj.send ('');
  }
  function updateObj(obj, data){
   document.getElementById(obj).firstChild.data = data;
  }
  //--></script>
  </head>
  <body>
    <h1>Developing Web Applications with Ajax</h1>
    <p>This page demonstrates the use of Asynchronous Javascript and XML 
(Ajax) technology to
    update a web page's content by reading from a remote file 
dynamically -- no page reloading
    is required. Note that this operation does not work for users 
without JavaScript enabled.</p>
    <p id="xmlObj">
    This is some sample data. It is the default data for this web page. 
<a href="data.xml"
    title="View the XML data." onclick="ajaxRead('data.xml'); 
this.style.display='none'; return false">View XML     data.</a>
    </p>
  </body>
</html>


 Save this file below as UTF-8 data.xml

<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
<root>
  <data>
    This is some sample data. It is stored in an XML file and retrieved 
by JavaScript.
  </data>
</root>




Gustav Brock wrote:

>Hi Bryan
>
>So no job? Or wife?? Is that what you are trying to tell?
>On the other hand (for the job option, cannot tell for the wife
>option), with your knowledge I would expect it to be easy for you to
>find some "new challenges" except, of course, if things are a little
>more complicated than they may appear to be ...
>
>Currently I'm facing some XML work. Haven't done anything with this and
>Access and hardly know where to look except browsing this list ...
>So an XML cookbook or guide is a suggestion.
>
>/gustav
>
>  
>
>>>>carbonnb at sympatico.ca 08/16 3:45 am >>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>I have found myself in a situation that gives me an inordinate amount 
>of free time and I'm looking for some ideas to fill my time.
>
>I am thinking of something that would make development easier or a 
>specifc app that would greatly help developers. I need something to 
>keep my mind active and fingers busy :)
>
>It can be anything from Access to Word to Excel (Office 2K), even VB 
>6.
>
>I'm open to any and all suggestion. And If I can learn something new, 
>that would be even better.
>
>Let the flood gates open :-)
>
>  
>

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From john at winhaven.net  Tue Aug 16 17:48:42 2005
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 17:48:42 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas
In-Reply-To: <001b01c5a29b$0b6d4bf0$6401a8c0@laptop1>
Message-ID: <200508162248.j7GMmgR24777@databaseadvisors.com>

LOL!

:o))) 

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Joe Hecht


Voice command app that would automatically write John Colby Classes and code
for you.

Joe Hecht
Los Angeles CA



From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Aug 16 17:53:15 2005
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 15:53:15 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] WIERD little problem
In-Reply-To: <200508162214.j7GMEER15199@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <0ILC0058G7KQM8@l-daemon>

Hi Karen:

Coming at this slightly differently... I worked on a system where if a user
stays on a station with no activity for say, 1 hour, the station, unloads
the tables, closes the forms and places them back at the application login
prompt. (This method was developed at a client's request who got tired of
always discovering one of her employees had left the 'Invoicing' application
open, running on the station and had gone back into the warehouse or off for
lunch.)

Would a process like this resolve similar db application issues before they
can develop?

Jim

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Karen Rosenstiel
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 3:14 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] WIERD little problem

I have a simple little scheduling database, front end and back end. I tried
to print a report for tomorrow - a simple list - the database crashed. For
some strange reason I cannot print the reports I need for tomorrow, although
I could print reports for different dates - just not for tomorrow. It closed
itself down and tried to compact itself and send a report to MS. 

At that point, I discovered that one of staff left open the front end with a
little popup form from which you can view or print the reports wide open. I
got her out of a meeting to shut down her open Access and then deleted the
backup copies and the .ldb files. I could compact/repair the BE but not the
FE. 

Has anybody had anything like this happen before? Any suggestions? I need to
mention that I can't send the database to anybody for inspection because of
confidentiality restrictions (I work in a jail health clinic).

Thanks in advance.

Regards,

Karen Rosenstiel
Seattle WA USA 


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From jmhecht at earthlink.net  Tue Aug 16 18:11:12 2005
From: jmhecht at earthlink.net (Joe Hecht)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 16:11:12 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas
In-Reply-To: <004e01c5a2a9$1bf1a080$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <000301c5a2b7$d0dc98c0$6401a8c0@laptop1>

Well John,

Your classes depend on my keyboard skills and ability to explain things. Can
you do it? vbg

Joe Hecht
Los Angeles CA

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Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 2:26 PM
To: access at joe2.endjunk.com; 'Access Developers discussion and problem
solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas

ROTFLMAO.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/

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Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 4:00 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas


That's easy, and requires no code or special hardware.  Just call up JC, and
tell him that you don't think his framework would hand XYZ...and let him
prove you wrong.  When he has given you proof, thank him, tell him he's
stellar, and a god among mortals, and walk away with completed JC Classes.

<grin>

Of course, the same method will work on me too....

Drew

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From: Joe Hecht [mailto:jmhecht at earthlink.net]
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 2:45 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas


Voice command app that would automatically write John Colby Classes and code
for you.

Joe Hecht
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From karenr7 at oz.net  Tue Aug 16 18:21:52 2005
From: karenr7 at oz.net (Karen Rosenstiel)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 16:21:52 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] WIERD little problem
In-Reply-To: <0ILC0058G7KQM8@l-daemon>
Message-ID: <200508162321.j7GNLmR32551@databaseadvisors.com>

Yes, that sounds interesting. It's a small office, and only 5 people would
be using this database. I'd like to look at your programming if you could
share it.

Meanwhile...Why would I not be able to print a report for 1 date and not
another. A puzzlement!

Regards,

Karen Rosenstiel
Seattle WA USA 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 3:53 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] WIERD little problem

Hi Karen:

Coming at this slightly differently... I worked on a system where if a user
stays on a station with no activity for say, 1 hour, the station, unloads
the tables, closes the forms and places them back at the application login
prompt. (This method was developed at a client's request who got tired of
always discovering one of her employees had left the 'Invoicing' application
open, running on the station and had gone back into the warehouse or off for
lunch.)

Would a process like this resolve similar db application issues before they
can develop?

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Karen Rosenstiel
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 3:14 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] WIERD little problem

I have a simple little scheduling database, front end and back end. I tried
to print a report for tomorrow - a simple list - the database crashed. For
some strange reason I cannot print the reports I need for tomorrow, although
I could print reports for different dates - just not for tomorrow. It closed
itself down and tried to compact itself and send a report to MS. 

At that point, I discovered that one of staff left open the front end with a
little popup form from which you can view or print the reports wide open. I
got her out of a meeting to shut down her open Access and then deleted the
backup copies and the .ldb files. I could compact/repair the BE but not the
FE. 

Has anybody had anything like this happen before? Any suggestions? I need to
mention that I can't send the database to anybody for inspection because of
confidentiality restrictions (I work in a jail health clinic).

Thanks in advance.

Regards,

Karen Rosenstiel
Seattle WA USA 


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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Aug 16 18:23:16 2005
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 19:23:16 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas
In-Reply-To: <000301c5a2b7$d0dc98c0$6401a8c0@laptop1>
Message-ID: <005201c5a2b9$7e409ba0$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

It looks like I am going to be doing a series of lectures for the CT Access
Users Group.  That should be interesting.  I haven't done a lecture since
the first AccessD conference at Rocky's house.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Joe Hecht
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 7:11 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas


Well John,

Your classes depend on my keyboard skills and ability to explain things. Can
you do it? vbg

Joe Hecht
Los Angeles CA

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Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 2:26 PM
To: access at joe2.endjunk.com; 'Access Developers discussion and problem
solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas

ROTFLMAO.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of DWUTKA at marlow.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 4:00 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas


That's easy, and requires no code or special hardware.  Just call up JC, and
tell him that you don't think his framework would hand XYZ...and let him
prove you wrong.  When he has given you proof, thank him, tell him he's
stellar, and a god among mortals, and walk away with completed JC Classes.

<grin>

Of course, the same method will work on me too....

Drew

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Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 2:45 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas


Voice command app that would automatically write John Colby Classes and code
for you.

Joe Hecht
Los Angeles CA

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From dmcafee at pacbell.net  Tue Aug 16 18:45:08 2005
From: dmcafee at pacbell.net (David Mcafee)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 16:45:08 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas
In-Reply-To: <005201c5a2b9$7e409ba0$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <20050816234508.20273.qmail@web80802.mail.yahoo.com>

Speaking of which, isn't it that time again?

:)


David


--- "John W. Colby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
wrote:

  I haven't
> done a lecture since
> the first AccessD conference at Rocky's house.
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com 



From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Tue Aug 16 19:10:28 2005
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 17:10:28 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Ajax and Atlas with XML
References: <0ILC009076XD12@l-daemon>
Message-ID: <43028074.3090706@shaw.ca>

Nope that is it, all there is in the one xml element, no dancing hamsters

This site will give you a better idea but more html code needed
Click on 

Drop Downs & Form Handling <javascript: toggleDiv('div_dropdowns')>

then click states states

http://www.clearnova.com/ajax/index.html


Jim Lawrence wrote:

>Hi Marty:
>
>Just a note the Server page update sample. 
>
>It initially shows the following line: This is some sample data. It is the
>default data for this web page. View XML data.
>
>.. and when clicking on the link: View XML data
>
>.. the line then displays: This is some sample data. It is stored in an XML
>file and retrieved by JavaScript.
>
>.. and that is all. Is there supposed to be more displayed?
>
>Jim
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
>Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 12:50 PM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: [AccessD] Ajax and Atlas with XML
>
>If looking for xml info starter sites.
>
>http://www.xml.org
>http://www.xml.com
>A vb oriented site was once vbxml.com
>http://www.topxml.com
>
>Try to buy XML books published in last 3 years otherwise
>you wont get latest in XSLT and  XQuery. Old books maybe based on old 
>XSL patterns
>which might prove confusing.
>
>
>Now here is the latest buzz in XML development with AJAX.
>
>In computer programming, AJAX (Asynchronous JavaScript and XML) is a 
>method of building interactive applications for the Web that process 
>user requests immediately.Ajax allows content on Web pages to update 
>immediately when a user performs an action, unlike an HTTP request, 
>during which users must wait for a whole new page to load. For example, 
>a weather forecasting site could display local conditions on one side of 
>the page without delay after a user types in a zip code.
>Google Map works this way. ATLAS is a downloadable javascript engine 
>Microsoft  is supposed to bring out in September at some convention.
>
>How difficult is this stuff well it is not rocket science. But an 
>amalgam of 4 or 5 techniques. Ajax combines several programming tools 
>including JavaScript, dynamic HTML (DHTML), Extensible Markup Language 
>(XML), cascading style sheets (CSS), the Document Object Model (DOM), 
>and the Microsoft object, XMLHttpRequest. After that you can use Web 
>Services to grab the xml data. You could modify javascript to VBA too 
>for use in Access.
>
>Some sites where you can grab javascript source and  examples of Ajax or 
>download them
>
>http://www.clearnova.com/ajax/index.html
>http://developer.apple.com/internet/webcontent/XMLHttpRequestExample/example
>.html
>
>Articles
>Dynamic HTML and xmlhttpRequest object
>http://developer.apple.com/internet/webcontent/xmlhttpreq.html
>
>Jesse Garrett  What is Ajax?  (The guy that gave it the name)
>http://www.adaptivepath.com/publications/essays/archives/000385.php
>
>
>Here is a elementary ajax sample just place the two files on your web 
>server and run with java script enabled
>through your favourite browser.
>
>You can also run from hard disk directly in Netscape 7.0 but IE locally 
>has security stops and uses file: protocol and not http: protocol so 
>wont run correctly
>without a lot of  fiddling with settings. Rather than use a object; 
>might use document.innerhtml to get around for local use.
>
>On my server these two files  
>http://www5.brinkster.com/mconnelly/ajax/ajax.html
>
>Save this file as UTF-8 not ANSI   ajax.html
>
><!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN"
>  "http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd">
><html lang="en" dir="ltr">
>  <head>
>    <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1">
>    <title>Developing Web Applications with Ajax - Example</title>
><script type="text/javascript"><!--
>function ajaxRead(file){
>  var xmlObj = null;
>  if(window.XMLHttpRequest){
>      xmlObj = new XMLHttpRequest();
>  } else if(window.ActiveXObject){
>      xmlObj = new ActiveXObject("Microsoft.XMLHTTP");
>  } else {
>      return;
>  }
>  xmlObj.onreadystatechange = function(){
>    if(xmlObj.readyState == 4){
>       updateObj('xmlObj', 
>xmlObj.responseXML.getElementsByTagName('data')[0].firstChild.data);
>     }
>    }
>    xmlObj.open ('GET', file, true);
>    xmlObj.send ('');
>  }
>  function updateObj(obj, data){
>   document.getElementById(obj).firstChild.data = data;
>  }
>  //--></script>
>  </head>
>  <body>
>    <h1>Developing Web Applications with Ajax</h1>
>    <p>This page demonstrates the use of Asynchronous Javascript and XML 
>(Ajax) technology to
>    update a web page's content by reading from a remote file 
>dynamically -- no page reloading
>    is required. Note that this operation does not work for users 
>without JavaScript enabled.</p>
>    <p id="xmlObj">
>    This is some sample data. It is the default data for this web page. 
><a href="data.xml"
>    title="View the XML data." onclick="ajaxRead('data.xml'); 
>this.style.display='none'; return false">View XML     data.</a>
>    </p>
>  </body>
></html>
>
>
> Save this file below as UTF-8 data.xml
>
><?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
><root>
>  <data>
>    This is some sample data. It is stored in an XML file and retrieved 
>by JavaScript.
>  </data>
></root>
>
>
>
>
>Gustav Brock wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Hi Bryan
>>
>>So no job? Or wife?? Is that what you are trying to tell?
>>On the other hand (for the job option, cannot tell for the wife
>>option), with your knowledge I would expect it to be easy for you to
>>find some "new challenges" except, of course, if things are a little
>>more complicated than they may appear to be ...
>>
>>Currently I'm facing some XML work. Haven't done anything with this and
>>Access and hardly know where to look except browsing this list ...
>>So an XML cookbook or guide is a suggestion.
>>
>>/gustav
>>
>> 
>>
>>    
>>
>>>>>carbonnb at sympatico.ca 08/16 3:45 am >>>
>>>>>       
>>>>>
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>I have found myself in a situation that gives me an inordinate amount 
>>of free time and I'm looking for some ideas to fill my time.
>>
>>I am thinking of something that would make development easier or a 
>>specifc app that would greatly help developers. I need something to 
>>keep my mind active and fingers busy :)
>>
>>It can be anything from Access to Word to Excel (Office 2K), even VB 
>>6.
>>
>>I'm open to any and all suggestion. And If I can learn something new, 
>>that would be even better.
>>
>>Let the flood gates open :-)
>>
>> 
>>
>>    
>>
>
>  
>

-- 
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada





From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Aug 16 20:45:01 2005
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 18:45:01 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Ajax and Atlas with XML
In-Reply-To: <43028074.3090706@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <0ILC0076JFIZDV@l-daemon>

Marty what do you mean 'No dancing Hamster'! :-(

What is your opinion on the AJAX.Net variation on AJAX which seems to be the
hottest ticket?

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 5:10 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ajax and Atlas with XML

Nope that is it, all there is in the one xml element, no dancing hamsters

This site will give you a better idea but more html code needed
Click on 

Drop Downs & Form Handling <javascript: toggleDiv('div_dropdowns')>

then click states states

http://www.clearnova.com/ajax/index.html


Jim Lawrence wrote:

>Hi Marty:
>
>Just a note the Server page update sample. 
>
>It initially shows the following line: This is some sample data. It is the
>default data for this web page. View XML data.
>
>.. and when clicking on the link: View XML data
>
>.. the line then displays: This is some sample data. It is stored in an XML
>file and retrieved by JavaScript.
>
>.. and that is all. Is there supposed to be more displayed?
>
>Jim
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
>Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 12:50 PM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: [AccessD] Ajax and Atlas with XML
>
>If looking for xml info starter sites.
>
>http://www.xml.org
>http://www.xml.com
>A vb oriented site was once vbxml.com
>http://www.topxml.com
>
>Try to buy XML books published in last 3 years otherwise
>you wont get latest in XSLT and  XQuery. Old books maybe based on old 
>XSL patterns
>which might prove confusing.
>
>
>Now here is the latest buzz in XML development with AJAX.
>
>In computer programming, AJAX (Asynchronous JavaScript and XML) is a 
>method of building interactive applications for the Web that process 
>user requests immediately.Ajax allows content on Web pages to update 
>immediately when a user performs an action, unlike an HTTP request, 
>during which users must wait for a whole new page to load. For example, 
>a weather forecasting site could display local conditions on one side of 
>the page without delay after a user types in a zip code.
>Google Map works this way. ATLAS is a downloadable javascript engine 
>Microsoft  is supposed to bring out in September at some convention.
>
>How difficult is this stuff well it is not rocket science. But an 
>amalgam of 4 or 5 techniques. Ajax combines several programming tools 
>including JavaScript, dynamic HTML (DHTML), Extensible Markup Language 
>(XML), cascading style sheets (CSS), the Document Object Model (DOM), 
>and the Microsoft object, XMLHttpRequest. After that you can use Web 
>Services to grab the xml data. You could modify javascript to VBA too 
>for use in Access.
>
>Some sites where you can grab javascript source and  examples of Ajax or 
>download them
>
>http://www.clearnova.com/ajax/index.html
>http://developer.apple.com/internet/webcontent/XMLHttpRequestExample/exampl
e
>.html
>
>Articles
>Dynamic HTML and xmlhttpRequest object
>http://developer.apple.com/internet/webcontent/xmlhttpreq.html
>
>Jesse Garrett  What is Ajax?  (The guy that gave it the name)
>http://www.adaptivepath.com/publications/essays/archives/000385.php
>
>
>Here is a elementary ajax sample just place the two files on your web 
>server and run with java script enabled
>through your favourite browser.
>
>You can also run from hard disk directly in Netscape 7.0 but IE locally 
>has security stops and uses file: protocol and not http: protocol so 
>wont run correctly
>without a lot of  fiddling with settings. Rather than use a object; 
>might use document.innerhtml to get around for local use.
>
>On my server these two files  
>http://www5.brinkster.com/mconnelly/ajax/ajax.html
>
>Save this file as UTF-8 not ANSI   ajax.html
>
><!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN"
>  "http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd">
><html lang="en" dir="ltr">
>  <head>
>    <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html;
charset=iso-8859-1">
>    <title>Developing Web Applications with Ajax - Example</title>
><script type="text/javascript"><!--
>function ajaxRead(file){
>  var xmlObj = null;
>  if(window.XMLHttpRequest){
>      xmlObj = new XMLHttpRequest();
>  } else if(window.ActiveXObject){
>      xmlObj = new ActiveXObject("Microsoft.XMLHTTP");
>  } else {
>      return;
>  }
>  xmlObj.onreadystatechange = function(){
>    if(xmlObj.readyState == 4){
>       updateObj('xmlObj', 
>xmlObj.responseXML.getElementsByTagName('data')[0].firstChild.data);
>     }
>    }
>    xmlObj.open ('GET', file, true);
>    xmlObj.send ('');
>  }
>  function updateObj(obj, data){
>   document.getElementById(obj).firstChild.data = data;
>  }
>  //--></script>
>  </head>
>  <body>
>    <h1>Developing Web Applications with Ajax</h1>
>    <p>This page demonstrates the use of Asynchronous Javascript and XML 
>(Ajax) technology to
>    update a web page's content by reading from a remote file 
>dynamically -- no page reloading
>    is required. Note that this operation does not work for users 
>without JavaScript enabled.</p>
>    <p id="xmlObj">
>    This is some sample data. It is the default data for this web page. 
><a href="data.xml"
>    title="View the XML data." onclick="ajaxRead('data.xml'); 
>this.style.display='none'; return false">View XML     data.</a>
>    </p>
>  </body>
></html>
>
>
> Save this file below as UTF-8 data.xml
>
><?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
><root>
>  <data>
>    This is some sample data. It is stored in an XML file and retrieved 
>by JavaScript.
>  </data>
></root>
>
>
>
>
>Gustav Brock wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Hi Bryan
>>
>>So no job? Or wife?? Is that what you are trying to tell?
>>On the other hand (for the job option, cannot tell for the wife
>>option), with your knowledge I would expect it to be easy for you to
>>find some "new challenges" except, of course, if things are a little
>>more complicated than they may appear to be ...
>>
>>Currently I'm facing some XML work. Haven't done anything with this and
>>Access and hardly know where to look except browsing this list ...
>>So an XML cookbook or guide is a suggestion.
>>
>>/gustav
>>
>> 
>>
>>    
>>
>>>>>carbonnb at sympatico.ca 08/16 3:45 am >>>
>>>>>       
>>>>>
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>I have found myself in a situation that gives me an inordinate amount 
>>of free time and I'm looking for some ideas to fill my time.
>>
>>I am thinking of something that would make development easier or a 
>>specifc app that would greatly help developers. I need something to 
>>keep my mind active and fingers busy :)
>>
>>It can be anything from Access to Word to Excel (Office 2K), even VB 
>>6.
>>
>>I'm open to any and all suggestion. And If I can learn something new, 
>>that would be even better.
>>
>>Let the flood gates open :-)
>>
>> 
>>
>>    
>>
>
>  
>

-- 
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada



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From dejpolsys at hotmail.com  Tue Aug 16 22:28:00 2005
From: dejpolsys at hotmail.com (William Hindman)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 23:28:00 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas
References: <005201c5a2b9$7e409ba0$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <BAY103-DAV121600C7491AA1C877F3CBAEB30@phx.gbl>

"I haven't done a lecture since
the first AccessD conference at Rocky's house." JC

..took the victims this long to recover, eh :)

William

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John W. Colby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 7:23 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas


> It looks like I am going to be doing a series of lectures for the CT 
> Access
> Users Group.  That should be interesting.  I haven't done a lecture since
> the first AccessD conference at Rocky's house.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
> http://folding.stanford.edu/
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Joe Hecht
> Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 7:11 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas
>
>
> Well John,
>
> Your classes depend on my keyboard skills and ability to explain things. 
> Can
> you do it? vbg
>
> Joe Hecht
> Los Angeles CA
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby
> Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 2:26 PM
> To: access at joe2.endjunk.com; 'Access Developers discussion and problem
> solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas
>
> ROTFLMAO.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
> http://folding.stanford.edu/
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> DWUTKA at marlow.com
> Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 4:00 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas
>
>
> That's easy, and requires no code or special hardware.  Just call up JC, 
> and
> tell him that you don't think his framework would hand XYZ...and let him
> prove you wrong.  When he has given you proof, thank him, tell him he's
> stellar, and a god among mortals, and walk away with completed JC Classes.
>
> <grin>
>
> Of course, the same method will work on me too....
>
> Drew
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joe Hecht [mailto:jmhecht at earthlink.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 2:45 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas
>
>
> Voice command app that would automatically write John Colby Classes and 
> code
> for you.
>
> Joe Hecht
> Los Angeles CA
>
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> 


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Aug 16 22:34:19 2005
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 23:34:19 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas
In-Reply-To: <BAY103-DAV121600C7491AA1C877F3CBAEB30@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <005601c5a2dc$903c1a50$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

LOL, yea, you don't recover from my lectures that easily.  ;-)  Just kinda
numbs the whole body.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 11:28 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas


"I haven't done a lecture since
the first AccessD conference at Rocky's house." JC

..took the victims this long to recover, eh :)

William





From dejpolsys at hotmail.com  Tue Aug 16 22:35:28 2005
From: dejpolsys at hotmail.com (William Hindman)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 23:35:28 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] WIERD little problem
References: <200508162321.j7GNLmR32551@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <BAY103-DAV970DCE587281DFF6A75B0AEB30@phx.gbl>

Karen

..have you done a decompile ...ect.?

William

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Karen Rosenstiel" <karenr7 at oz.net>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 7:21 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] WIERD little problem


> Yes, that sounds interesting. It's a small office, and only 5 people would
> be using this database. I'd like to look at your programming if you could
> share it.
>
> Meanwhile...Why would I not be able to print a report for 1 date and not
> another. A puzzlement!
>
> Regards,
>
> Karen Rosenstiel
> Seattle WA USA
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
> Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 3:53 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] WIERD little problem
>
> Hi Karen:
>
> Coming at this slightly differently... I worked on a system where if a 
> user
> stays on a station with no activity for say, 1 hour, the station, unloads
> the tables, closes the forms and places them back at the application login
> prompt. (This method was developed at a client's request who got tired of
> always discovering one of her employees had left the 'Invoicing' 
> application
> open, running on the station and had gone back into the warehouse or off 
> for
> lunch.)
>
> Would a process like this resolve similar db application issues before 
> they
> can develop?
>
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Karen 
> Rosenstiel
> Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 3:14 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: [AccessD] WIERD little problem
>
> I have a simple little scheduling database, front end and back end. I 
> tried
> to print a report for tomorrow - a simple list - the database crashed. For
> some strange reason I cannot print the reports I need for tomorrow, 
> although
> I could print reports for different dates - just not for tomorrow. It 
> closed
> itself down and tried to compact itself and send a report to MS.
>
> At that point, I discovered that one of staff left open the front end with 
> a
> little popup form from which you can view or print the reports wide open. 
> I
> got her out of a meeting to shut down her open Access and then deleted the
> backup copies and the .ldb files. I could compact/repair the BE but not 
> the
> FE.
>
> Has anybody had anything like this happen before? Any suggestions? I need 
> to
> mention that I can't send the database to anybody for inspection because 
> of
> confidentiality restrictions (I work in a jail health clinic).
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Regards,
>
> Karen Rosenstiel
> Seattle WA USA
>
>
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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Tue Aug 16 23:59:42 2005
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 21:59:42 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Ajax and Atlas with XML
References: <0ILC0076JFIZDV@l-daemon>
Message-ID: <4302C43E.3030505@shaw.ca>

I realize Victoria is little out date but this is archived from the net 
10 years ago,
It is now considered a net classic. The Original Hampster Dance
Dance the night away!

http://www.hamsterdance.com/classorig.html

Haven't looked at .net variation but probably the same basic theme and 
methods with a bit more class.

Jim Lawrence wrote:

>Marty what do you mean 'No dancing Hamster'! :-(
>
>What is your opinion on the AJAX.Net variation on AJAX which seems to be the
>hottest ticket?
>
>Jim
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
>Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 5:10 PM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ajax and Atlas with XML
>
>Nope that is it, all there is in the one xml element, no dancing hamsters
>
>This site will give you a better idea but more html code needed
>Click on 
>
>Drop Downs & Form Handling <javascript: toggleDiv('div_dropdowns')>
>
>then click states states
>
>http://www.clearnova.com/ajax/index.html
>
>
>Jim Lawrence wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Hi Marty:
>>
>>Just a note the Server page update sample. 
>>
>>It initially shows the following line: This is some sample data. It is the
>>default data for this web page. View XML data.
>>
>>.. and when clicking on the link: View XML data
>>
>>.. the line then displays: This is some sample data. It is stored in an XML
>>file and retrieved by JavaScript.
>>
>>.. and that is all. Is there supposed to be more displayed?
>>
>>Jim
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
>>Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 12:50 PM
>>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>Subject: [AccessD] Ajax and Atlas with XML
>>
>>If looking for xml info starter sites.
>>
>>http://www.xml.org
>>http://www.xml.com
>>A vb oriented site was once vbxml.com
>>http://www.topxml.com
>>
>>Try to buy XML books published in last 3 years otherwise
>>you wont get latest in XSLT and  XQuery. Old books maybe based on old 
>>XSL patterns
>>which might prove confusing.
>>
>>
>>Now here is the latest buzz in XML development with AJAX.
>>
>>In computer programming, AJAX (Asynchronous JavaScript and XML) is a 
>>method of building interactive applications for the Web that process 
>>user requests immediately.Ajax allows content on Web pages to update 
>>immediately when a user performs an action, unlike an HTTP request, 
>>during which users must wait for a whole new page to load. For example, 
>>a weather forecasting site could display local conditions on one side of 
>>the page without delay after a user types in a zip code.
>>Google Map works this way. ATLAS is a downloadable javascript engine 
>>Microsoft  is supposed to bring out in September at some convention.
>>
>>How difficult is this stuff well it is not rocket science. But an 
>>amalgam of 4 or 5 techniques. Ajax combines several programming tools 
>>including JavaScript, dynamic HTML (DHTML), Extensible Markup Language 
>>(XML), cascading style sheets (CSS), the Document Object Model (DOM), 
>>and the Microsoft object, XMLHttpRequest. After that you can use Web 
>>Services to grab the xml data. You could modify javascript to VBA too 
>>for use in Access.
>>
>>Some sites where you can grab javascript source and  examples of Ajax or 
>>download them
>>
>>http://www.clearnova.com/ajax/index.html
>>http://developer.apple.com/internet/webcontent/XMLHttpRequestExample/exampl
>>    
>>
>e
>  
>
>>.html
>>
>>Articles
>>Dynamic HTML and xmlhttpRequest object
>>http://developer.apple.com/internet/webcontent/xmlhttpreq.html
>>
>>Jesse Garrett  What is Ajax?  (The guy that gave it the name)
>>http://www.adaptivepath.com/publications/essays/archives/000385.php
>>
>>
>>Here is a elementary ajax sample just place the two files on your web 
>>server and run with java script enabled
>>through your favourite browser.
>>
>>You can also run from hard disk directly in Netscape 7.0 but IE locally 
>>has security stops and uses file: protocol and not http: protocol so 
>>wont run correctly
>>without a lot of  fiddling with settings. Rather than use a object; 
>>might use document.innerhtml to get around for local use.
>>
>>On my server these two files  
>>http://www5.brinkster.com/mconnelly/ajax/ajax.html
>>
>>Save this file as UTF-8 not ANSI   ajax.html
>>
>><!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN"
>> "http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd">
>><html lang="en" dir="ltr">
>> <head>
>>   <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html;
>>    
>>
>charset=iso-8859-1">
>  
>
>>   <title>Developing Web Applications with Ajax - Example</title>
>><script type="text/javascript"><!--
>>function ajaxRead(file){
>> var xmlObj = null;
>> if(window.XMLHttpRequest){
>>     xmlObj = new XMLHttpRequest();
>> } else if(window.ActiveXObject){
>>     xmlObj = new ActiveXObject("Microsoft.XMLHTTP");
>> } else {
>>     return;
>> }
>> xmlObj.onreadystatechange = function(){
>>   if(xmlObj.readyState == 4){
>>      updateObj('xmlObj', 
>>xmlObj.responseXML.getElementsByTagName('data')[0].firstChild.data);
>>    }
>>   }
>>   xmlObj.open ('GET', file, true);
>>   xmlObj.send ('');
>> }
>> function updateObj(obj, data){
>>  document.getElementById(obj).firstChild.data = data;
>> }
>> //--></script>
>> </head>
>> <body>
>>   <h1>Developing Web Applications with Ajax</h1>
>>   <p>This page demonstrates the use of Asynchronous Javascript and XML 
>>(Ajax) technology to
>>   update a web page's content by reading from a remote file 
>>dynamically -- no page reloading
>>   is required. Note that this operation does not work for users 
>>without JavaScript enabled.</p>
>>   <p id="xmlObj">
>>   This is some sample data. It is the default data for this web page. 
>><a href="data.xml"
>>   title="View the XML data." onclick="ajaxRead('data.xml'); 
>>this.style.display='none'; return false">View XML     data.</a>
>>   </p>
>> </body>
>></html>
>>
>>
>>Save this file below as UTF-8 data.xml
>>
>><?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
>><root>
>> <data>
>>   This is some sample data. It is stored in an XML file and retrieved 
>>by JavaScript.
>> </data>
>></root>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Gustav Brock wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>>    
>>
>>>Hi Bryan
>>>
>>>So no job? Or wife?? Is that what you are trying to tell?
>>>On the other hand (for the job option, cannot tell for the wife
>>>option), with your knowledge I would expect it to be easy for you to
>>>find some "new challenges" except, of course, if things are a little
>>>more complicated than they may appear to be ...
>>>
>>>Currently I'm facing some XML work. Haven't done anything with this and
>>>Access and hardly know where to look except browsing this list ...
>>>So an XML cookbook or guide is a suggestion.
>>>
>>>/gustav
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>   
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>>>>carbonnb at sympatico.ca 08/16 3:45 am >>>
>>>>>>      
>>>>>>
>>>>>>         
>>>>>>
>>>>>>            
>>>>>>
>>>I have found myself in a situation that gives me an inordinate amount 
>>>of free time and I'm looking for some ideas to fill my time.
>>>
>>>I am thinking of something that would make development easier or a 
>>>specifc app that would greatly help developers. I need something to 
>>>keep my mind active and fingers busy :)
>>>
>>>It can be anything from Access to Word to Excel (Office 2K), even VB 
>>>6.
>>>
>>>I'm open to any and all suggestion. And If I can learn something new, 
>>>that would be even better.
>>>
>>>Let the flood gates open :-)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>   
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>> 
>>
>>    
>>
>
>  
>

-- 
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada





From adtp at touchtelindia.net  Wed Aug 17 00:15:23 2005
From: adtp at touchtelindia.net (A.D.Tejpal)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 10:45:23 +0530
Subject: [AccessD] New Record Appearing on Top
References: <BAY104-F399A680E9A360EC3228DA09AB00@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <013001c5a2ea$dc87a010$071865cb@winxp>

Julie,

    It so happens that the point raised by Charlotte has already been taken care of in my sample db (AddDataAtTop) mentioned in my earlier post dated 16-Aug-2005.

    For the ongoing session, recently added records are highlighted suitably and continue to be in view at the top. As and when a new session is taken up (on re-opening the switchboard form), all existing records get re-positioned in prescribed sort order.

Best wishes,
A.D.Tejpal
--------------

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Julie Reardon-Taylor 
  To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 22:01
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] New Record Appearing on Top


  Good point Charlotte.  I don't really like it either.....and certainly have given the client what they want, only to have to turn around and "re-do" what they thought was a great thing.  Thank you for your thoughts.

  Julie Reardon-Taylor
  PRO-SOFT OF NY, INC.
  44 Public Square Suite #5
  Watertown, NY 13601
  Phone/Fax: (315) 785-0319
  www.pro-soft.net

    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Charlotte Foust 
    To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
    Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 21:09
    Subject: RE: [AccessD] New Record Appearing on Top


    Others have given you chapter and verse on approaches to this, so let me ask you a question:  Is the client going to be happy with the new rows falling to the bottom of the list after they're added "at the top"?
    Depending on the default sort for the form/subform, that row just added at the top may disappear entirely from the visible records.  That is something clients frequently overlook when asking for a feature like this, and it needs to be discussed before you go to a lot of effort to provide something they're going to decide they don't like.  

    Charlotte Foust


From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Wed Aug 17 00:54:10 2005
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 22:54:10 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Ajax and Atlas with XML
References: <0ILC0076JFIZDV@l-daemon> <4302C43E.3030505@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <4302D102.80607@shaw.ca>

I have seen variations of Ajax.Net on Source Forge and this one where 
the C# source was recently released
I think they are all still in Alpha even MS is yet to release their 
javascript engine.
http://ajax.schwarz-interactive.de/csharpsample/default.aspx

MartyConnelly wrote:

> I realize Victoria is little out date but this is archived from the 
> net 10 years ago,
> It is now considered a net classic. The Original Hampster Dance
> Dance the night away!
>
> http://www.hamsterdance.com/classorig.html
>
> Haven't looked at .net variation but probably the same basic theme and 
> methods with a bit more class.
>
> Jim Lawrence wrote:
>
>> Marty what do you mean 'No dancing Hamster'! :-(
>>
>> What is your opinion on the AJAX.Net variation on AJAX which seems to 
>> be the
>> hottest ticket?
>>
>> Jim
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 5:10 PM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ajax and Atlas with XML
>>
>> Nope that is it, all there is in the one xml element, no dancing 
>> hamsters
>>
>> This site will give you a better idea but more html code needed
>> Click on
>> Drop Downs & Form Handling <javascript: toggleDiv('div_dropdowns')>
>>
>> then click states states
>>
>> http://www.clearnova.com/ajax/index.html
>>
>>
>> Jim Lawrence wrote:
>>
>>  
>>
>>> Hi Marty:
>>>
>>> Just a note the Server page update sample.
>>> It initially shows the following line: This is some sample data. It 
>>> is the
>>> default data for this web page. View XML data.
>>>
>>> .. and when clicking on the link: View XML data
>>>
>>> .. the line then displays: This is some sample data. It is stored in 
>>> an XML
>>> file and retrieved by JavaScript.
>>>
>>> .. and that is all. Is there supposed to be more displayed?
>>>
>>> Jim
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
>>> MartyConnelly
>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 12:50 PM
>>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>> Subject: [AccessD] Ajax and Atlas with XML
>>>
>>> If looking for xml info starter sites.
>>>
>>> http://www.xml.org
>>> http://www.xml.com
>>> A vb oriented site was once vbxml.com
>>> http://www.topxml.com
>>>
>>> Try to buy XML books published in last 3 years otherwise
>>> you wont get latest in XSLT and  XQuery. Old books maybe based on 
>>> old XSL patterns
>>> which might prove confusing.
>>>
>>>
>>> Now here is the latest buzz in XML development with AJAX.
>>>
>>> In computer programming, AJAX (Asynchronous JavaScript and XML) is a 
>>> method of building interactive applications for the Web that process 
>>> user requests immediately.Ajax allows content on Web pages to update 
>>> immediately when a user performs an action, unlike an HTTP request, 
>>> during which users must wait for a whole new page to load. For 
>>> example, a weather forecasting site could display local conditions 
>>> on one side of the page without delay after a user types in a zip code.
>>> Google Map works this way. ATLAS is a downloadable javascript engine 
>>> Microsoft  is supposed to bring out in September at some convention.
>>>
>>> How difficult is this stuff well it is not rocket science. But an 
>>> amalgam of 4 or 5 techniques. Ajax combines several programming 
>>> tools including JavaScript, dynamic HTML (DHTML), Extensible Markup 
>>> Language (XML), cascading style sheets (CSS), the Document Object 
>>> Model (DOM), and the Microsoft object, XMLHttpRequest. After that 
>>> you can use Web Services to grab the xml data. You could modify 
>>> javascript to VBA too for use in Access.
>>>
>>> Some sites where you can grab javascript source and  examples of 
>>> Ajax or download them
>>>
>>> http://www.clearnova.com/ajax/index.html
>>> http://developer.apple.com/internet/webcontent/XMLHttpRequestExample/exampl 
>>>
>>>   
>>
>> e
>>  
>>
>>> .html
>>>
>>> Articles
>>> Dynamic HTML and xmlhttpRequest object
>>> http://developer.apple.com/internet/webcontent/xmlhttpreq.html
>>>
>>> Jesse Garrett  What is Ajax?  (The guy that gave it the name)
>>> http://www.adaptivepath.com/publications/essays/archives/000385.php
>>>
>>>
>>> Here is a elementary ajax sample just place the two files on your 
>>> web server and run with java script enabled
>>> through your favourite browser.
>>>
>>> You can also run from hard disk directly in Netscape 7.0 but IE 
>>> locally has security stops and uses file: protocol and not http: 
>>> protocol so wont run correctly
>>> without a lot of  fiddling with settings. Rather than use a object; 
>>> might use document.innerhtml to get around for local use.
>>>
>>> On my server these two files  
>>> http://www5.brinkster.com/mconnelly/ajax/ajax.html
>>>
>>> Save this file as UTF-8 not ANSI   ajax.html
>>>
>>> <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN"
>>> "http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd">
>>> <html lang="en" dir="ltr">
>>> <head>
>>>   <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html;
>>>   
>>
>> charset=iso-8859-1">
>>  
>>
>>>   <title>Developing Web Applications with Ajax - Example</title>
>>> <script type="text/javascript"><!--
>>> function ajaxRead(file){
>>> var xmlObj = null;
>>> if(window.XMLHttpRequest){
>>>     xmlObj = new XMLHttpRequest();
>>> } else if(window.ActiveXObject){
>>>     xmlObj = new ActiveXObject("Microsoft.XMLHTTP");
>>> } else {
>>>     return;
>>> }
>>> xmlObj.onreadystatechange = function(){
>>>   if(xmlObj.readyState == 4){
>>>      updateObj('xmlObj', 
>>> xmlObj.responseXML.getElementsByTagName('data')[0].firstChild.data);
>>>    }
>>>   }
>>>   xmlObj.open ('GET', file, true);
>>>   xmlObj.send ('');
>>> }
>>> function updateObj(obj, data){
>>>  document.getElementById(obj).firstChild.data = data;
>>> }
>>> //--></script>
>>> </head>
>>> <body>
>>>   <h1>Developing Web Applications with Ajax</h1>
>>>   <p>This page demonstrates the use of Asynchronous Javascript and 
>>> XML (Ajax) technology to
>>>   update a web page's content by reading from a remote file 
>>> dynamically -- no page reloading
>>>   is required. Note that this operation does not work for users 
>>> without JavaScript enabled.</p>
>>>   <p id="xmlObj">
>>>   This is some sample data. It is the default data for this web 
>>> page. <a href="data.xml"
>>>   title="View the XML data." onclick="ajaxRead('data.xml'); 
>>> this.style.display='none'; return false">View XML     data.</a>
>>>   </p>
>>> </body>
>>> </html>
>>>
>>>
>>> Save this file below as UTF-8 data.xml
>>>
>>> <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
>>> <root>
>>> <data>
>>>   This is some sample data. It is stored in an XML file and 
>>> retrieved by JavaScript.
>>> </data>
>>> </root>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Gustav Brock wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>   
>>>
>>>> Hi Bryan
>>>>
>>>> So no job? Or wife?? Is that what you are trying to tell?
>>>> On the other hand (for the job option, cannot tell for the wife
>>>> option), with your knowledge I would expect it to be easy for you to
>>>> find some "new challenges" except, of course, if things are a little
>>>> more complicated than they may appear to be ...
>>>>
>>>> Currently I'm facing some XML work. Haven't done anything with this 
>>>> and
>>>> Access and hardly know where to look except browsing this list ...
>>>> So an XML cookbook or guide is a suggestion.
>>>>
>>>> /gustav
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  
>>>>     
>>>>
>>>>>>> carbonnb at sympatico.ca 08/16 3:45 am >>>
>>>>>>>     
>>>>>>>        
>>>>>>>           
>>>>>>
>>>> I have found myself in a situation that gives me an inordinate 
>>>> amount of free time and I'm looking for some ideas to fill my time.
>>>>
>>>> I am thinking of something that would make development easier or a 
>>>> specifc app that would greatly help developers. I need something to 
>>>> keep my mind active and fingers busy :)
>>>>
>>>> It can be anything from Access to Word to Excel (Office 2K), even 
>>>> VB 6.
>>>>
>>>> I'm open to any and all suggestion. And If I can learn something 
>>>> new, that would be even better.
>>>>
>>>> Let the flood gates open :-)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  
>>>>     
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>   
>>
>>
>>  
>>
>

-- 
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada





From pedro at plex.nl  Wed Aug 17 08:57:39 2005
From: pedro at plex.nl (pedro at plex.nl)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 08:57:39 (MET DST)
Subject: [AccessD] checkboxes aren't functioning
Message-ID: <200508170700.j7H6vdja016582@mailhostC.plex.net>

Hi,

There isn't a code behind the form where the checkboxes are involved in it.
This form has worked a year without any problems.
Now suddenly the checkboxes are giving troubles.
Could the database (front-end or back-end) be corrupt?

Pedro Janssen


In antwoord op:

> From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 14:54:03 -0700
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] checkboxes aren't functioning
> 
> 
> Not enough information to provide an answer.  If the checkboxes are
> actually disabled on existing records, then I would suspect  code behind
> the form disabling them depending on specific circumstances.
> 
> Charlotte Foust
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Pedro Janssen [mailto:pedro at plex.nl] 
> Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 2:36 PM
> To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] checkboxes aren't functioning
> 
> 
> Hello Group,
> 
> how is it possible that suddenly on a form in almost al records certain
> checkboxes are working but in some records they don't function (are
> greyed out and can't make them "true" or "not true"). Nothing strange
> happened before.
> 
> Pedro Janssen
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> 
> 


From pedro at plex.nl  Wed Aug 17 08:58:52 2005
From: pedro at plex.nl (pedro at plex.nl)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 08:58:52 (MET DST)
Subject: [AccessD] checkboxes aren't functioning
Message-ID: <200508170701.j7H6wqPo016629@mailhostC.plex.net>

Hi,

There isn't a code behind the form where the checkboxes are involved in it.
This form has worked a year without any problems.
Now suddenly the checkboxes are giving troubles.
Could the database (front-end or back-end) be corrupt?

Pedro Janssen


In antwoord op:

> From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 14:54:03 -0700
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] checkboxes aren't functioning
> 
> 
> Not enough information to provide an answer.  If the checkboxes are
> actually disabled on existing records, then I would suspect  code behind
> the form disabling them depending on specific circumstances.
> 
> Charlotte Foust
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Pedro Janssen [mailto:pedro at plex.nl] 
> Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 2:36 PM
> To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] checkboxes aren't functioning
> 
> 
> Hello Group,
> 
> how is it possible that suddenly on a form in almost al records certain
> checkboxes are working but in some records they don't function (are
> greyed out and can't make them "true" or "not true"). Nothing strange
> happened before.
> 
> Pedro Janssen
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From pedro at plex.nl  Wed Aug 17 08:59:08 2005
From: pedro at plex.nl (pedro at plex.nl)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 08:59:08 (MET DST)
Subject: [AccessD] checkboxes aren't functioning
Message-ID: <200508170700.j7H6x84l016673@mailhostC.plex.net>

Hi,

There isn't a code behind the form where the checkboxes are involved in it.
This form has worked a year without any problems.
Now suddenly the checkboxes are giving troubles.
Could the database (front-end or back-end) be corrupt?

Pedro Janssen


In antwoord op:

> From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 14:54:03 -0700
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] checkboxes aren't functioning
> 
> 
> Not enough information to provide an answer.  If the checkboxes are
> actually disabled on existing records, then I would suspect  code behind
> the form disabling them depending on specific circumstances.
> 
> Charlotte Foust
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Pedro Janssen [mailto:pedro at plex.nl] 
> Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 2:36 PM
> To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] checkboxes aren't functioning
> 
> 
> Hello Group,
> 
> how is it possible that suddenly on a form in almost al records certain
> checkboxes are working but in some records they don't function (are
> greyed out and can't make them "true" or "not true"). Nothing strange
> happened before.
> 
> Pedro Janssen
> -- 
> AccessD mailing list
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> 
> 


From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Wed Aug 17 05:18:23 2005
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 11:18:23 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] checkboxes aren't functioning
Message-ID: <20050817101821.3D41525093E@smtp.nildram.co.uk>

Not sure why we got your last post 3 times Pedro, but I should think there's
a fair chance of a corruption, more likely of the BE given your description.
I'd certainly try repairing (and probably compacting) the BE before you look
further.

--
Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk




--------- Original Message --------
From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
To: "AccessD at databaseadvisors.com" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: RE: [AccessD] checkboxes aren't functioning
Date: 17/08/05 08:29


Hi,

There isn't a code behind the form where the checkboxes are involved in it.
This form has worked a year without any problems.
Now suddenly the checkboxes are giving troubles.
Could the database (front-end or back-end) be corrupt?

Pedro Janssen


In antwoord op:

> From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 14:54:03 -0700
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] checkboxes aren't functioning
>
>
> Not enough information to provide an answer. If the checkboxes are
> actually disabled on existing records, then I would suspect code behind
> the form disabling them depending on specific circumstances.
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Pedro Janssen [mailto:pedro at plex.nl]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 2:36 PM
> To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] checkboxes aren't functioning
>
>
> Hello Group,
>
> how is it possible that suddenly on a form in almost al records certain
> checkboxes are working but in some records they don't function (are
> greyed out and can't make them "true" or "not true"). Nothing strange
> happened before.
>
> Pedro Janssen
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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Aug 17 06:05:41 2005
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 13:05:41 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Ajax and Atlas with XML
Message-ID: <s303363e.042@cactus.dk>

Hi Marty

Thanks! Great links.

/gustav


>>> martyconnelly at shaw.ca 08/16 9:49 pm >>>
If looking for xml info starter sites.

http://www.xml.org 
http://www.xml.com 
A vb oriented site was once vbxml.com
http://www.topxml.com 

Try to buy XML books published in last 3 years otherwise
you wont get latest in XSLT and  XQuery. Old books maybe based on old 
XSL patterns
which might prove confusing.


Now here is the latest buzz in XML development with AJAX.

In computer programming, AJAX (Asynchronous JavaScript and XML) is a 
method of building interactive applications for the Web that process 
user requests immediately.Ajax allows content on Web pages to update 
immediately when a user performs an action, unlike an HTTP request, 
during which users must wait for a whole new page to load. For example,

a weather forecasting site could display local conditions on one side
of 
the page without delay after a user types in a zip code.
Google Map works this way. ATLAS is a downloadable javascript engine 
Microsoft  is supposed to bring out in September at some convention.

How difficult is this stuff well it is not rocket science. But an 
amalgam of 4 or 5 techniques. Ajax combines several programming tools 
including JavaScript, dynamic HTML (DHTML), Extensible Markup Language

(XML), cascading style sheets (CSS), the Document Object Model (DOM), 
and the Microsoft object, XMLHttpRequest. After that you can use Web 
Services to grab the xml data. You could modify javascript to VBA too 
for use in Access.

Some sites where you can grab javascript source and  examples of Ajax
or 
download them

http://www.clearnova.com/ajax/index.html 
http://developer.apple.com/internet/webcontent/XMLHttpRequestExample/example.html


Articles
Dynamic HTML and xmlhttpRequest object
http://developer.apple.com/internet/webcontent/xmlhttpreq.html 

Jesse Garrett  What is Ajax?  (The guy that gave it the name)
http://www.adaptivepath.com/publications/essays/archives/000385.php 



From bheid at appdevgrp.com  Wed Aug 17 06:51:11 2005
From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 07:51:11 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Why is function being called??
In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30C5E2E7@ADGSERVER>
Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30ABEE57@ADGSERVER>

I don't understand.  

You are saying that DaysInMonth is a function.  Yet your code has:
DaysinMonth = DaysInMonth2(myds3.Fields(1))

By this, DaysInMonth2 is the function.  How is DaysInMonth declared?  

Bobby

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 5:24 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Why is function being called??


Below is a piece of code. DaysInMonth is a function. When the code runs
and hits the line  myds1.Fields(2) = Nz(myds4.Fields(8)) the function
runs. I don't see anything that is calling it. Your thoughts
appreciated.

 

Do Until myds4.EOF

    DaysinMonth = DaysInMonth2(myds3.Fields(1))

    If Day(myds3.Fields(1)) < DaysinMonth And RecordCounter = 1 Then

        StartCounter = Day(myds3.Fields(1))

        ProdDate = myds3.Fields(1)

    Else

        StartCounter = 1

        ProdDate = myds4.Fields(1)

    End If

        

    

    For I = StartCounter To DaysinMonth

        myds1.AddNew

            myds1.Fields(0) = ProdDate

            myds1.Fields(1) = myds4.Fields(0)

            myds1.Fields(2) = Nz(myds4.Fields(8))

        myds1.Update

        ProdDate = ProdDate + 1

    Next I

    RecordCounter = RecordCounter + 1

    myds4.MoveNext

Loop

 

Chester Kaup



From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com  Wed Aug 17 07:11:59 2005
From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 07:11:59 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Why is function being called??
Message-ID: <F1DD538AE6BCE74EBE562DE51564D322FABF7D@houexch1.kindermorgan.com>

My mistake DaysInMonth2 is a function. It is declared as an integer.
Thanks for looking.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby Heid
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 6:51 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Why is function being called??

I don't understand.  

You are saying that DaysInMonth is a function.  Yet your code has:
DaysinMonth = DaysInMonth2(myds3.Fields(1))

By this, DaysInMonth2 is the function.  How is DaysInMonth declared?  

Bobby

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 5:24 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Why is function being called??


Below is a piece of code. DaysInMonth is a function. When the code runs
and hits the line  myds1.Fields(2) = Nz(myds4.Fields(8)) the function
runs. I don't see anything that is calling it. Your thoughts
appreciated.

 

Do Until myds4.EOF

    DaysinMonth = DaysInMonth2(myds3.Fields(1))

    If Day(myds3.Fields(1)) < DaysinMonth And RecordCounter = 1 Then

        StartCounter = Day(myds3.Fields(1))

        ProdDate = myds3.Fields(1)

    Else

        StartCounter = 1

        ProdDate = myds4.Fields(1)

    End If

        

    

    For I = StartCounter To DaysinMonth

        myds1.AddNew

            myds1.Fields(0) = ProdDate

            myds1.Fields(1) = myds4.Fields(0)

            myds1.Fields(2) = Nz(myds4.Fields(8))

        myds1.Update

        ProdDate = ProdDate + 1

    Next I

    RecordCounter = RecordCounter + 1

    myds4.MoveNext

Loop

 

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From ssharkins at bellsouth.net  Wed Aug 17 07:44:11 2005
From: ssharkins at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 08:44:11 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] checkboxes aren't functioning
In-Reply-To: <00aa01c5a2aa$8221f250$fac581d5@pedro>
Message-ID: <20050817124430.HRTS24175.ibm69aec.bellsouth.net@SUSANONE>

Checkboxes have a tri-state, on, off, and Null. You might want to check that
-- perhaps someone accidentally changed it?

Although, if I'm not mistaken, even if the control is Null, you should still
be able to change it. 

Susan H. 

how is it possible that suddenly on a form in almost al records certain
checkboxes are working but in some records they don't function (are greyed
out and can't make them "true" or "not true").
Nothing strange happened before.




From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Aug 17 07:51:34 2005
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 08:51:34 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] checkboxes aren't functioning
In-Reply-To: <20050817124430.HRTS24175.ibm69aec.bellsouth.net@SUSANONE>
Message-ID: <00b101c5a32a$6628a1e0$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

However what if it is bound to a non-boolean field.  For example it is bound
to an integer, the integer can contain 0 and -1 (and null) so it looks like
it works just fine.  But what happens if the field gets set to something
other than null, 0 or -1?

Note I have never tested this, just throwing it out....

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 8:44 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] checkboxes aren't functioning


Checkboxes have a tri-state, on, off, and Null. You might want to check that
-- perhaps someone accidentally changed it?

Although, if I'm not mistaken, even if the control is Null, you should still
be able to change it. 

Susan H. 

how is it possible that suddenly on a form in almost al records certain
checkboxes are working but in some records they don't function (are greyed
out and can't make them "true" or "not true"). Nothing strange happened
before.


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From prosoft6 at hotmail.com  Wed Aug 17 07:57:42 2005
From: prosoft6 at hotmail.com (Julie Reardon-Taylor)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 08:57:42 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas
In-Reply-To: <001c01c5a29b$4bb39ca0$6401a8c0@laptop1>
Message-ID: <BAY104-F37CC9E6F72A915608D9E9F9AB30@phx.gbl>

No.  The company is in NY.  The salaries range from $37,000 to $65,000.



Julie Reardon-Taylor
PRO-SOFT OF NY, INC.
44 Public Square Suite #5
Watertown, NY 13601
Phone/Fax: (315) 785-0319
www.pro-soft.net




From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com  Wed Aug 17 07:59:37 2005
From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 07:59:37 -0500
Subject: FW: [AccessD] Why is function being called??
Message-ID: <F1DD538AE6BCE74EBE562DE51564D322FABF91@houexch1.kindermorgan.com>

Problem resolved. Myds4 is the result of a select query that uses the
DaysInMonth2 function. Might speed things up if the query was a make
table and DaysInMonth2 would not have to recalculate all the time.

-----Original Message-----
From: Kaup, Chester 
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 7:11 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Why is function being called??

My mistake DaysInMonth2 is a function. It is declared as an integer.
Thanks for looking.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby Heid
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 6:51 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Why is function being called??

I don't understand.  

You are saying that DaysInMonth is a function.  Yet your code has:
DaysinMonth = DaysInMonth2(myds3.Fields(1))

By this, DaysInMonth2 is the function.  How is DaysInMonth declared?  

Bobby

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 5:24 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Why is function being called??


Below is a piece of code. DaysInMonth is a function. When the code runs
and hits the line  myds1.Fields(2) = Nz(myds4.Fields(8)) the function
runs. I don't see anything that is calling it. Your thoughts
appreciated.

 

Do Until myds4.EOF

    DaysinMonth = DaysInMonth2(myds3.Fields(1))

    If Day(myds3.Fields(1)) < DaysinMonth And RecordCounter = 1 Then

        StartCounter = Day(myds3.Fields(1))

        ProdDate = myds3.Fields(1)

    Else

        StartCounter = 1

        ProdDate = myds4.Fields(1)

    End If

        

    

    For I = StartCounter To DaysinMonth

        myds1.AddNew

            myds1.Fields(0) = ProdDate

            myds1.Fields(1) = myds4.Fields(0)

            myds1.Fields(2) = Nz(myds4.Fields(8))

        myds1.Update

        ProdDate = ProdDate + 1

    Next I

    RecordCounter = RecordCounter + 1

    myds4.MoveNext

Loop

 

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From bheid at appdevgrp.com  Wed Aug 17 08:02:53 2005
From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 09:02:53 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Why is function being called??
In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30C5E38D@ADGSERVER>
Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30ABEE58@ADGSERVER>

I figured so, I was just making sure.

So you are saying that DaysInMonth2 is being called when you execute the
line

myds1.Fields(2) = Nz(myds4.Fields(8))

If so, the only thing that I can think of that might cause this is some sort
of corruption in the FE.  Have you tried a decompile/compile or importing
the FE into a new FE?

Bobby

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 8:12 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Why is function being called??


My mistake DaysInMonth2 is a function. It is declared as an integer.
Thanks for looking.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby Heid
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 6:51 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Why is function being called??

I don't understand.  

You are saying that DaysInMonth is a function.  Yet your code has:
DaysinMonth = DaysInMonth2(myds3.Fields(1))

By this, DaysInMonth2 is the function.  How is DaysInMonth declared?  

Bobby

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 5:24 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Why is function being called??


Below is a piece of code. DaysInMonth is a function. When the code runs
and hits the line  myds1.Fields(2) = Nz(myds4.Fields(8)) the function
runs. I don't see anything that is calling it. Your thoughts
appreciated.

 

Do Until myds4.EOF

    DaysinMonth = DaysInMonth2(myds3.Fields(1))

    If Day(myds3.Fields(1)) < DaysinMonth And RecordCounter = 1 Then

        StartCounter = Day(myds3.Fields(1))

        ProdDate = myds3.Fields(1)

    Else

        StartCounter = 1

        ProdDate = myds4.Fields(1)

    End If

        

    

    For I = StartCounter To DaysinMonth

        myds1.AddNew

            myds1.Fields(0) = ProdDate

            myds1.Fields(1) = myds4.Fields(0)

            myds1.Fields(2) = Nz(myds4.Fields(8))

        myds1.Update

        ProdDate = ProdDate + 1

    Next I

    RecordCounter = RecordCounter + 1

    myds4.MoveNext

Loop

 

Chester Kaup



From jimdettman at earthlink.net  Wed Aug 17 08:10:00 2005
From: jimdettman at earthlink.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 09:10:00 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Bug Report
In-Reply-To: <004201c5a259$b0d252d0$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <NDEALJOEGMMPCDKIFGNFAEBOELAA.jimdettman@earthlink.net>

John,

  OK.  Just wanted to make sure I was understanding correctly.

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 7:58 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Bug Report


Oh, sorry.  I was discussing my particular bug, not the "breakpoint" case.

/decompile definitely has always solved the cases I've seen of the
"breakpoint" issue.  And I see it quite often.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 7:31 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Bug Report


John,

  I thought you said the other day that this didn't work for you?

"Yea, I've seen this too.  Breaks even though the breakbpoint was removed. I
think it is the same issue, i.e. "invisible stuff" in the source code that
is not properly stripped out.

Unfortunately /decompile does not help in this case.  All that /decompile
does is throw out the pcode stream forcing a recompile of the entire source
code stream.  If the source stream is bad then the next compile will just
recreate the bad pcode."

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 7:17 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Bug Report


A /decompile / compile / compact / repair has always fixed it for me.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 6:17 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Bug Report


Rocky,

  None that I'm aware of.  I usually do a /decompile as soon as I see the
weird stuff start to happen.

  That pretty much clears it up.  If not, I go to a backup.

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
Beach Access Software
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 4:36 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Bug Report


Jim:

"code breaks on a line where a breakpoint was but is no longer"

I've had this happen as well, even more embarrassing, at the customer when
suddenly they find themselves in the code page with a yellow highlight.  Has
there been no fix for this from MS?

Rocky


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From carbonnb at sympatico.ca  Wed Aug 17 08:14:42 2005
From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 09:14:42 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas
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References: <BAYC1-PASMTP0207B39A1274386D8BD230AEB00@cez.ice>
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On 15 Aug 2005 at 19:34, Jim Lawrence wrote:

> Our web site needs a lot of work to move to the next level.
> 
> A few simple things that would require a bit of research... 
> 
> 1. Create the definitive link list for the site. You know most of the
> sites from but there are a few out there that are not obvious but
> definitely should be counted... like 'http://www.colbyconsulting.com/'
> or 'http://www.rogersaccesslibrary.com' or
> 'http://www.mvps.org/access/' and many more. It would be great to be
> able to create the ultimate Access research page. 

You just listed the only sites I use for Access stuff. :)

I do have a series of links in my favourites at work that I can't get 
access to at the moment :( Ya just gotta love union negotiations that 
end in lockouts instead of a new contract :(

> 2. Putting some of the great comments and code snippets into either a
> gazette or new article for upcoming issues(s).

Hmmmm, this could be an interesting challenge

> 3 List member advertisement pages stores on a MS SQL DB. This is not
> confirmed by the executive yet but I believe it makes sense. We should
> be supporting our list members' accomplishment like their books,
> articles, programs or even design and support companies. We are a way
> from implementing this but the format, design, and coding can be
> started as it will be a lengthy development from creation to
> implementation.

The problem is that I don't know anything about MS SQL of interfacing 
in with the web. Nor do I have access to a box with MS SQL and IIS.

> 4. There is of course .Net... and XML/HXML/AJAX... where much of
> Access development is heading/expanding. It is a truly distributive
> application development platform and the performance is really awesome
> when using ASP.Net client side is coupled with ADO.Net... 'a thousand
> users are serviced as fast as one' (Not mine but a quote from a
> book.). Should we be looking seriously at this? Articles, new lists,
> roll our own? 

Too many acronymns :) Seriously, I think it would be just a bit too 
much for me to learn all at once right now.

> These are just a few of the web site work that is waiting to be
> started and implemented.  

There are some good ideas there Jim. I may plug away at some of them.

> Our current web site owners are having some problems getting our MS
> SQL server up and running again but we will be getting MS SQL support
> one way or the other. So you can work/plan for/with a MS SQL set of
> option/solutions.

See above :(

-- 
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Failure is not an option. It comes bundled with the software.




From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Wed Aug 17 08:17:12 2005
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 14:17:12 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] checkboxes aren't functioning
Message-ID: <20050817131709.1F6D024E99C@smtp.nildram.co.uk>

IIRC it shows tick if -1 and no tick (ie False) if anything else, or
vice-versa.  I don't think it'd cause this, though like you I haven't
tested.

And Susan's right. If the value is Null it shows a grey tick box but allows
you to tick/untick.

--
Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk




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<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: RE: [AccessD] checkboxes aren't functioning
Date: 17/08/05 12:54


However what if it is bound to a non-boolean field. For example it is bound
to an integer, the integer can contain 0 and -1 (and null) so it looks like
it works just fine. But what happens if the field gets set to something
other than null, 0 or -1?

Note I have never tested this, just throwing it out....

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 8:44 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] checkboxes aren't functioning


Checkboxes have a tri-state, on, off, and Null. You might want to check that
-- perhaps someone accidentally changed it?

Although, if I'm not mistaken, even if the control is Null, you should still
be able to change it.

Susan H.

how is it possible that suddenly on a form in almost al records certain
checkboxes are working but in some records they don't function (are greyed
out and can't make them "true" or "not true"). Nothing strange happened
before.


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From carbonnb at sympatico.ca  Wed Aug 17 08:19:49 2005
From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 09:19:49 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas
In-Reply-To: <004001c5a253$afa50520$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>
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On 16 Aug 2005 at 7:14, John W. Colby wrote:

> Oooooohhh I have a great idea for that one.

So, what is it?

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey

> Hi Bryan
> Really sorry to hear that.
> 
> How about the long-awaited v2 of BEU?

-- 
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An unkind remark is like a killing frost. No matter how much it warms 
up later, the damage remains.




From carbonnb at sympatico.ca  Wed Aug 17 08:19:49 2005
From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 09:19:49 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas
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On 16 Aug 2005 at 7:59, Andy Lacey wrote:

> Really sorry to hear that.
> 
> How about the long-awaited v2 of BEU?

We were just going to make V2 an library? Or was that V 3?

I don't remember. I suppose I could always go back and look at the 
archives, eh? :)

-- 
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There's a fine line between a hobby and mental illness. Which side of 
the line are you on?




From carbonnb at sympatico.ca  Wed Aug 17 08:19:49 2005
From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 09:19:49 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas
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On 16 Aug 2005 at 8:43, Charlotte Foust wrote:

> Get the student version and dive into VB.Net.  It takes time to learn
> but the results are well worth it.

Money is in short supply so purchasing new software is out of the 
question. 

Have you looked at #develop, the Open Source .Net IDE 
(http://www.sharpdevelop.net/OpenSource/SD/Default.aspx)?

Would that be as effective at learning VB.Net as MS.Net?

-- 
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca
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From carbonnb at sympatico.ca  Wed Aug 17 08:19:49 2005
From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 09:19:49 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas
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On 16 Aug 2005 at 8:50, Julie Reardon-Taylor wrote:

> Where are you located?  I know of a company who is trying to fill
> sixteen IT positions this fall.

I'm in Toronto, Canada. Close to NY, but not close enough to work 
there :(

-- 
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca
Don't be irreplaceable. If you can't be replaced, you can't be 
promoted. 




From carbonnb at sympatico.ca  Wed Aug 17 08:24:58 2005
From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 09:24:58 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas
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On 16 Aug 2005 at 14:25, Hale, Jim wrote:

> One of my favorite Access books was "Access 95 How-To" by Ken Getz and
> Paul Litwin. It was updated and re-released as the "Access Cookbook"
> by O'Reilly in 2002. This book posed a problem and provided the
> solution together with a detailed explanation. No extraneous junk. The
> reason I bring this up is that I think an AccessD book organized along
> the same lines would make a fantastic project. After all, the archives
> have hundreds of solution unavailable elsewhere. AccessD could receive
> royalties along with the author to allow the group to continue paying
> its modest bills. I presume releases would be required from posters
> since some material (such as John's framework tutorials) are intended
> for publication in their own book. As the authors on this list can
> attest no book is an "easy" project but I think this would be a win
> for AccessD, developers, and the author willing to take on the job. My
> 2 cents.

This sounds quite interesting. I think a DBA sponsored book would 
need the BOD's approval prior to starting though.

-- 
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Learn from the mistakes of others. You can't live long enough to make 
them all yourself.




From carbonnb at sympatico.ca  Wed Aug 17 08:24:58 2005
From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 09:24:58 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas
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On 16 Aug 2005 at 14:59, DWUTKA at marlow.com wrote:

> That's easy, and requires no code or special hardware.  Just call up
> JC, and tell him that you don't think his framework would hand
> XYZ...and let him prove you wrong.  When he has given you proof, thank
> him, tell him he's stellar, and a god among mortals, and walk away
> with completed JC Classes.

Even easier solution, just send an e-mail to JC :)

-- 
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We've all heard that a million monkeys banging on a million 
typewriters will eventually reproduce the entire works of 
Shakespeare.
Now, thanks to the Internet, we know this is not true." [Robert 
Wilensky (1997)]




From carbonnb at sympatico.ca  Wed Aug 17 08:24:58 2005
From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 09:24:58 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas
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On 16 Aug 2005 at 14:08, John Bartow wrote:

> An ambitiuos question!

Ambitious is good, if I know the content :)

> How about a set of classes for easily automating Word from Access?

What benefit would that be, instead of just using the Word Object 
model directly?

And more importantly, what would you like to see in it?

-- 
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A good friend will come bail you out of jail.... but a true friend 
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From carbonnb at sympatico.ca  Wed Aug 17 08:24:58 2005
From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 09:24:58 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas
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On 16 Aug 2005 at 11:29, DWUTKA at marlow.com wrote:

> How about a master table-linker service?  Create a service that can be
> run on any machine in the network, which 'knows' the location of all
> linked tables.  One module in the database runs at startup, 'scans'
> the network for the 'server' which tells it if it needs to relink it's
> tables or not.

Besides running as a service, how would that be much different from 
any of the other relinkers out there?

Wouldn't something that scans the network put a heavy load on the 
network?

-- 
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca
If you're too open-minded, your brains will fall out.




From carbonnb at sympatico.ca  Wed Aug 17 08:30:12 2005
From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 09:30:12 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas
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On 16 Aug 2005 at 16:45, David Mcafee wrote:

> Speaking of which, isn't it that time again?

Yep. I think so. The last one, IIRC, was at Lembit's place in Germany 
last summer.

I think we need one in Canada this time. Somewhere in Southern 
Ontario is my suggestion :)

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That the less time I have to work with, the more things I get done.




From carbonnb at sympatico.ca  Wed Aug 17 08:30:11 2005
From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 09:30:11 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas
In-Reply-To: <BAY104-F37CC9E6F72A915608D9E9F9AB30@phx.gbl>
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On 17 Aug 2005 at 8:57, Julie Reardon-Taylor wrote:

> No.  The company is in NY.  The salaries range from $37,000 to
> $65,000.

Decent salaries, but too far for me :-((

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You're just jealous because the voices only talk to me.




From mikedorism at verizon.net  Wed Aug 17 08:36:13 2005
From: mikedorism at verizon.net (Mike & Doris Manning)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 09:36:13 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] checkboxes aren't functioning
In-Reply-To: <20050817131709.1F6D024E99C@smtp.nildram.co.uk>
Message-ID: <000d01c5a330$a41674e0$2e01a8c0@dorismanning>

Are you sure the controls haven't been set to Enabled = False and Locked =
True?

Doris Manning
Database Administrator
Hargrove Inc.
mikedorism at verizon.net




From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com  Wed Aug 17 08:37:32 2005
From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 08:37:32 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Why is function being called??
Message-ID: <F1DD538AE6BCE74EBE562DE51564D322FABFCE@houexch1.kindermorgan.com>

Myds4 is the result of a select query that uses the DayInMonth2
function. I appears that each time a record that the query generates is
accessed it runs the function. Just as a test I changed the query to a
make table query and changed the code to use the make table query. Now
no calling of the function occurs. Go figure?

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby Heid
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 8:03 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Why is function being called??

I figured so, I was just making sure.

So you are saying that DaysInMonth2 is being called when you execute the
line

myds1.Fields(2) = Nz(myds4.Fields(8))

If so, the only thing that I can think of that might cause this is some
sort
of corruption in the FE.  Have you tried a decompile/compile or
importing
the FE into a new FE?

Bobby

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 8:12 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Why is function being called??


My mistake DaysInMonth2 is a function. It is declared as an integer.
Thanks for looking.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby Heid
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 6:51 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Why is function being called??

I don't understand.  

You are saying that DaysInMonth is a function.  Yet your code has:
DaysinMonth = DaysInMonth2(myds3.Fields(1))

By this, DaysInMonth2 is the function.  How is DaysInMonth declared?  

Bobby

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 5:24 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Why is function being called??


Below is a piece of code. DaysInMonth is a function. When the code runs
and hits the line  myds1.Fields(2) = Nz(myds4.Fields(8)) the function
runs. I don't see anything that is calling it. Your thoughts
appreciated.

 

Do Until myds4.EOF

    DaysinMonth = DaysInMonth2(myds3.Fields(1))

    If Day(myds3.Fields(1)) < DaysinMonth And RecordCounter = 1 Then

        StartCounter = Day(myds3.Fields(1))

        ProdDate = myds3.Fields(1)

    Else

        StartCounter = 1

        ProdDate = myds4.Fields(1)

    End If

        

    

    For I = StartCounter To DaysinMonth

        myds1.AddNew

            myds1.Fields(0) = ProdDate

            myds1.Fields(1) = myds4.Fields(0)

            myds1.Fields(2) = Nz(myds4.Fields(8))

        myds1.Update

        ProdDate = ProdDate + 1

    Next I

    RecordCounter = RecordCounter + 1

    myds4.MoveNext

Loop

 

Chester Kaup

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From ssharkins at bellsouth.net  Wed Aug 17 08:39:30 2005
From: ssharkins at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 09:39:30 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] checkboxes aren't functioning
In-Reply-To: <20050817131709.1F6D024E99C@smtp.nildram.co.uk>
Message-ID: <20050817133927.NVUV3975.ibm66aec.bellsouth.net@SUSANONE>

I usually don't do this -- but I forgot who asked the original question. I
don't think there's anything in here to solve the original problem, but
thought some of you might find it helpful. There are two articles (no
figures unfortunately, and the copyrights are intact at the bottom of each).
If anyone has a subscription, I'll be glad to send the links so you can get
figures and all. The first article isn't exactly relevant, but more an
extension of the second article, which is specifically about the Tri-state
property. I should've copied them in reverse order -- sorry about that. 

Susan H. 

Tweak combobox settings to appropriately display and store Boolean values
by Susan Sales Harkins and Gustav Brock
Application(s): Microsoft Access 97/2000/2002/2003
Operating System(s): Microsoft Windows
Access lets you define a field as a Yes/No data type, which denotes a
Boolean value. That means the field stores only two values: -1 and 0. The
checkbox control is the natural and logical choice to interact with this
data type. In fact, the Form wizards automatically use a check box to
present the Yes/No data type in a form. However, there may be times when you
want to use a different control, such as a combobox control. Unfortunately,
other controls aren't as inherently compatible with Boolean values and might
need a bit of tweaking to handle them appropriately. In this article, we'll
show you how to trick both a bound and an unbound combo box into displaying
Boolean values.
No place for maybes
In the Boolean world, there's no maybe-there's only -1 and 0. The Boolean
data type, named Yes/No in Access, represents a two-position state of
activity: True/False, On/Off, Yes/No, and so on. Regardless of the format
you use to display a Yes/No field's values to the user, the underlying
values will always be -1 or 0, where -1 represents the active position (Yes)
and 0 represents the inactive position (No).
As mentioned before, the checkbox control is a natural choice for displaying
Boolean values in a bound control. Like the data type, the check box has two
positions: selected and deselected. Using a control such as a combobox
requires a little work because the combobox control isn't restricted to just
two values. The combobox bound to a Boolean field is the easiest to adapt,
so that's where we'll start. Then, we'll look at a special problem that
crops up when using an unbound combobox with Boolean values.
Related article
For another way to visually present Boolean values, see the De-cember 2003
article "Using the Triple State property to express a Null value in Boolean
controls." You can view the article online at
http://www.elementkjournals.com%2fpremier%2fjournal_archive.asp?vwJournalID=
IMA#200312.
Examining the problems with combobox controls bound to Yes/No fields
The first problem that appears when you bind a combobox control to a Yes/No
field is that the con-trol displays the Boolean values, -1 and 0, instead of
Yes and No. In addition, although the bound combo box displays the
underlying values, the list compo-nent is empty, as shown in Figure A. The
control is actually performing properly by displaying the ac-tual values and
not any representative text, since no representative text has been supplied
yet.
Figure A: A combo box bound to a Yes/No field displays the numeric Boolean
values by default. 

Making bound combobox controls Boolean-friendly
Fortunately, it's easy to get a combo box to appropriately display a Boolean
value. To demonstrate, create a table that includes some Yes/No fields,
similar to the ones shown in Figure A. Add a few records and then create a
new form that's bound to the table. Instead of dragging the Yes/No fields
from the field list, add combobox controls to the form and bind the controls
to the fields by setting the Control Source property appropriately.
Once you've finished setting up the form, switch to Form view and experiment
with the combobox controls. You'll find that they exhibit the behavior
described in the previous section. Now, switch back to Design view and we'll
address the issues.
First, set the control's Format property to Yes/No. The modified control
interprets the underlying value and displays the appropriate text value: Yes
or No. However, the list is still empty.
To create an appropriate list, change the control's Row Source Type property
to Value List. Then, enter a Row Source setting of
Yes;No
Figure B shows the impact that just these few changes have on the control.
The combo box now displays the representative text value in the text box,
and it displays appropriate values as list items.
Figure B: Use the control's Format property to determine the text values and
the Row Source property to set the list values. 

Note that you don't have to choose an item from the control's list. If you
type -1 in the combo box and then press [Enter], the control displays Yes;
type 0 in the combo box and press [Enter] and the control displays No. Keep
in mind that the control's text box accepts any value, not just the values
-1 and 0. Any numeric value other than 0, including negative values, returns
a true result (Yes, True, and On). If you must restrict data input to just
-1 and 0, add a validation rule or use VBA. An unbound combobox behaves in
the same way.
Handling Boolean values in an unbound combobox control
An unbound combobox that displays just Boolean values is a bit unusual, but
certainly acceptable. You can use the properties reviewed in the previous
section to get the unbound control to behave the same way as far as
displaying values is concerned. Just remember, you must use the Format
property to determine the displayed value. If you don't set the Format
property, the control displays the actual input value. Unlike the bound
control, the unbound control has no underlying data type to force a
compatible Boolean entry.
The main difference of concern is the control's value. If you open the table
bound to your sample form, you'll find that the control updated the bound
fields as you'd expect-the Yes/No field stores only -1 and 0. The Yes and No
strings in the combo box are just for show. The bound combobox will always
equal a true or false value (-1 or 0). An unbound control isn't as
predictable.
For this example, create a form and add two unbound combobox controls. Set
the Format property as before and rename the first control cbo1. Then, open
the VBE and add the following event procedure:
Private Sub Cbo1_LostFocus()
 Debug.Print cbo1.Value
End Sub
Return to the form in Form view and enter the value -1 in the first combobox
and move focus to the second control. The text box component returns the
value Yes, as you expect. Return to the VBE and you'll see the value -1 in
the Immediate window (the result of the event procedure).
Return to the form and enter the value True in the first combobox. The text
box component again correctly interprets the value as Yes, but the control
actually equals the value True, as shown in Figure C. Return to the form and
enter any numeric value, and then check the Immediate window. You'll see
that the control itself always equals the input value and not the Boolean
values -1 or 0. Remember, the bound example accepted values other than -1
and 0, but the underlying Boolean data type forced the control to interpret
the value as either -1 or 0. The unbound control won't force a Boolean
value. The Format property forces the displayed value, but it doesn't
convert the input value.
Figure C: The unbound control equals the input value, not a Boolean value. 

Forcing valid Boolean values in an unbound combobox control
There's an easy solution to the unbound problem. Force the control to equal
either -1 or 0 by changing the Row Source setting to
-1;Yes;0;No
Then, change the Row Source Type property to Value List. Finally, change the
Column Count property to 2 and change the Column Widths property to 0". As a
result, the unbound control continues to display Yes and No in the list and
it equals the appropriate Boolean value. However, the control itself is a
bit limited. The control accepts only the values Yes and No. This limitation
could be good or bad depending on your needs.
After modifying the properties, enter the value Yes in the combo box and
then check the Immediate window. This time the value in the Immediate window
is -1; enter No and the value is 0.
Formatting choices besides Yes/No
Both of our examples use the Yes/No format set at the control level. The
True/False or On/Off formats behave similarly, in keeping with the
underlying Boolean values. Just remember that -1 equals Yes, True, and On; 0
equals No, False, and Off. Additional considerations may be needed if your
application serves an international audience, as described in the
accompanying article "Automatically localize Boolean values in control
lists."
(https://www.elementkjournals.com%2fpremier%2fjournal_archive.asp?vwJournalI
D=IMA#20051)
Expanding your control choice options
Although it's probably easiest to use a check box to represent Boolean
values, there can be times when another control is better suited to an entry
form or interface. As we've shown you, a combobox control can be a viable
alternative-with just a bit of coercion.
Gustav Brock is a consultant who has been working with Microsoft Access
since version 1.0. Gustav is a developer at Cactus Data ApS, an independent
software house specializing in accounting and time billing systems and
custom database applications. You can contact Gustav at
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Using the Triple State property to express a Null value in Boolean controls
by Susan Sales Harkins
Application(s): Microsoft Access 97/2000/2002
Operating System(s): <none>
There are several native Access controls that are typically used to imply
one setting of a dual state. The check box, toggle button, and even the
option button are all usually used to display or offer a choice between two
settings: yes and no, true and false, on and off, and so on. Occasionally,
you'll find that two states aren't enough-sometimes a Null value can be just
as critical as true and false. In this article, we'll show you how to flip
that on/off switch a third way to also accommodate Null values.
Showing three states with one control
Before directly working with any controls, we'll start with a quick rundown
of the key behaviors associated with controls that are used to indicate true
or false states and discuss how to influence the way in which Null values
are handled. Then, we'll examine the default control behavior firsthand
using a form and some unbound controls. Finally, we'll show you how to
accommodate Null values, which is especially important to know when your
controls are bound to a data source.
About Boolean type controls
Access has a robust set of interface controls and knowing all the little
behaviors and special properties is a lot of work. For instance, there are a
few controls, referred to as Boolean controls because they accept or display
only Boolean values-true and false. Internally, Access actually stores the
values -1 and 0, respectively, but the purpose is the same. That purpose is
to act somewhat like a switch between two states, such as on and off, yes
and no, and true and false.
The matter can be confusing once you throw the Null value into the mix
because the control must somehow handle three values. All three of Access'
Boolean controls, the check box, the toggle button, and the option button
(known to some as a radio button), can display two states. Fortunately, all
three controls can also handle a third state if you simply set the Triple
State property to Yes.
The Triple State property
With the Triple State property set to No (the default state), each of the
three controls will interpret a Null value as a False value. Although a Null
value isn't the same as a False value, the arrangement works well, most of
the time. However, when your need to know that Null really means Null, the
default state just won't do. Setting the control's Triple State property to
Yes allows the control to interpret a Null value in addition to the
traditional Boolean values of True and False.
Examining an unbound example
Working with an unbound form is the best way to illustrate how these
controls work. To do so, create a new form and add one of each of the three
Boolean type controls: a check box, a toggle button, and an option button
(don't worry about including the latter within an option group). Name the
controls chk, tgl, and opt, respectively. Then, insert a label control
containing a few blank spaces to the right of each Boolean control. Name the
label controls lblChk, lblTgl, and lblOpt, accordingly. You'll use these
labels to display the numeric value of each control as you cycle through
True and False (and later the Null) states.
Next, open the form's module and add the event procedures in Listing A.
Close the VBE and save the form as frmUnbound. Now, switch to Form view.
When you switch to Form view for the first time, the check box and option
button will be dimmed (or grayed out).
Listing A: Control Click event procedures 
Private Sub chk_Click()
lblChk.Caption = chk.Value
End Sub

Private Sub tgl_Click()
lblTgl.Caption = tgl.Value
End Sub

Private Sub opt_Click()
lblOpt.Caption = opt.Value
End Sub
By default, the controls' Triple State properties are set to No. As such,
the controls display only two states-True and False. Select the check box,
click the toggle button, and select the option button. This selected or
clicked state is shown in the form on the left in Figure A. Now, deselect
the check box, unclick the toggle button, and deselect the option button to
display the second state, as represented in the form on the right.
Figure A: By default, the Boolean type controls display only two states. 

The visual state is a clue to the control's value. As you can see in each
control's corresponding label, a clicked or selected control represents a
True value (-1) and an unclicked or deselected state represents a False
value (0). A third set of clicks cycles the controls to the True state
again.
Working with a bound example
Now, let's see how they handle a Null value. At this point, it's important
to note that the underlying data type must accept at least three values: -1,
0, and Null. To set up the example, close the form and create a new table.
Add three Numeric fields to the table named chk, tgl, and opt. Finally, save
the table as tblBound and close it.
Next, open your form in Design view and save it as frmBound to create a
copy. Then, set the form's Record Source property to tblBound. Set each
control's Control Source property to its corresponding field in tblBound.
Save the form and then switch to Form view. At first, the controls appear
empty because their bound fields contain no values. At this point, cycling
through the controls' states will have the same effect as you saw
earlier-the controls display just the two states of True and False.
Now, set all of the controls to a False state and switch the form to Design
view. Next, change each of the Boolean type controls' Triple State
properties to Yes. Then, replace the previous event procedures with the ones
shown in Listing B. If you don't use the new procedures, the old ones will
return an error when the control equals Null.
Listing B: Code to reflect three states 
Private Sub chk_Click()
  If IsNull(chk) Then
    lblChk.Caption = "Null"
  Else
    lblChk.Caption = chk.Value
  End If
End Sub

Private Sub opt_Click()
  If IsNull(opt) Then
    lblOpt.Caption = "Null"
  Else
    lblOpt.Caption = opt.Value
  End If
End Sub

Private Sub tgl_Click()
  If IsNull(tgl) Then
    lblTgl.Caption = "Null"
  Else
    lblTgl.Caption = tgl.Value
  End If
End Sub
Close the VBE, save the form, and switch to Form view. Click on each control
to cycle past the False state and you'll see that they display the newly
enabled Null state, as shown in Figure B.
Figure B: These controls accept and display a Null value. 

Using VBA to set the TripleState property
Setting a control's Triple State property programmatically is simple, just
identify the control and set the TripleState property to True or False as
follows:
control.TripleState = True | False
where True sets the property to Yes, forcing the control to accept and
display Null values. A False setting, or No, is the default setting, which
displays just the True and False states.
A quick trip to the state of either, or, and Null
The Null value is a mystery to most and many avoid it because they simply
don't know how to handle it. However, knowing it's out and about is the
safest way to deal with Null values. When you need to know the difference
between True, False, and Null, use a Boolean type control and set its Triple
State property to Yes. As a result, the control will accommodate the Null
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IIRC it shows tick if -1 and no tick (ie False) if anything else, or
vice-versa.  I don't think it'd cause this, though like you I haven't
tested.

And Susan's right. If the value is Null it shows a grey tick box but allows
you to tick/untick.




From ldoering at symphonyinfo.com  Wed Aug 17 08:45:01 2005
From: ldoering at symphonyinfo.com (Liz Doering)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 08:45:01 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] WIERD little problem
Message-ID: <855499653F55AD4190B242717DF132BC08317F@dewey.Symphony.local>

Karen,

Have you checked the tables used in the report for a corrupt record?


Liz Doering
Symphony Information Services
liz at symphonyinfo.com
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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Karen
Rosenstiel
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 5:31 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] WIERD little problem

I have a simple little scheduling database, front end and back end. I
tried
to print a report for tomorrow - a simple list - the database crashed.
For
some strange reason I cannot print the reports I need for tomorrow,
although
I could print reports for different dates - just not for tomorrow. It
closed
itself down and tried to compact itself and send a report to MS. 

At that point, I discovered that one of staff left open the front end
with a
little popup form from which you can view or print the reports wide
open. I
got her out of a meeting to shut down her open Access and then deleted
the
backup copies and the .ldb files. I could compact/repair the BE but not
the
FE. 

Has anybody had anything like this happen before? Any suggestions? I
need to
mention that I can't send the database to anybody for inspection because
of
confidentiality restrictions (I work in a jail health clinic).

Thanks in advance.

Regards,

Karen Rosenstiel
Seattle WA USA 


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From prosoft6 at hotmail.com  Wed Aug 17 08:40:22 2005
From: prosoft6 at hotmail.com (Julie Reardon-Taylor)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 09:40:22 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas
In-Reply-To: <430303A4.15885.683255@carbonnb.sympatico.ca>
Message-ID: <BAY104-F10607FDF34FEBF68258E019AB30@phx.gbl>


Yes. Definitely Canada....Ontario would be great!  It's only 40 miles away.


Julie Reardon-Taylor
PRO-SOFT OF NY, INC.
44 Public Square Suite #5
Watertown, NY 13601
Phone/Fax: (315) 785-0319
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From dejpolsys at hotmail.com  Wed Aug 17 08:42:19 2005
From: dejpolsys at hotmail.com (William Hindman)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 09:42:19 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas
References: <BAYC1-PASMTP02D8B37413C2A182594624AEB30@cez.ice>
Message-ID: <BAY103-DAV12D986B0590C2B90EB0BF3AEB30@phx.gbl>

..with Harkins, Colby, and Martin among others here already published, the 
idea of an "AccessD" book with you doing the grunt work and using the list 
members as your resource and critic, getting approval shouldn't be a problem 
..if just the list members bought copies, and you gave AccessD a share of 
the profits, it should put a cushion under the list finances for quite a 
while ...besides which, think how a really good Access book would look on 
your resume :)

William

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Subject: RE: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas


> On 16 Aug 2005 at 14:25, Hale, Jim wrote:
>
>> One of my favorite Access books was "Access 95 How-To" by Ken Getz and
>> Paul Litwin. It was updated and re-released as the "Access Cookbook"
>> by O'Reilly in 2002. This book posed a problem and provided the
>> solution together with a detailed explanation. No extraneous junk. The
>> reason I bring this up is that I think an AccessD book organized along
>> the same lines would make a fantastic project. After all, the archives
>> have hundreds of solution unavailable elsewhere. AccessD could receive
>> royalties along with the author to allow the group to continue paying
>> its modest bills. I presume releases would be required from posters
>> since some material (such as John's framework tutorials) are intended
>> for publication in their own book. As the authors on this list can
>> attest no book is an "easy" project but I think this would be a win
>> for AccessD, developers, and the author willing to take on the job. My
>> 2 cents.
>
> This sounds quite interesting. I think a DBA sponsored book would
> need the BOD's approval prior to starting though.
>
> -- 
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> Learn from the mistakes of others. You can't live long enough to make
> them all yourself.
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From EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us  Wed Aug 17 08:41:31 2005
From: EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us (Tesiny, Ed)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 09:41:31 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas
Message-ID: <FED384E544086A47AAC07C0999BE8D1703D50915@albmsx2k.rt.oasas.state.ny.us>

Good excuse to take a test drive on The Cat

Ed Tesiny
EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us
 

> 
> I think we need one in Canada this time. Somewhere in Southern 
> Ontario is my suggestion :)
> 
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> I've learned.... 
> That the less time I have to work with, the more things I get done.
> 
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From JHewson at karta.com  Wed Aug 17 08:53:22 2005
From: JHewson at karta.com (Jim Hewson)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 08:53:22 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] SQL Server BE - Access FE
Message-ID: <9C382E065F54AE48BC3AA7925DCBB01C036B677D@karta-exc-int.Karta.com>

Doris,
I appreciate the response.
Sorry, I have been remiss in replying sooner.
I started to create an ADP and then talked with one of my co-workers.
He suggested that using a System DSN in the ODBC Data Source
Administrator located under Control Panel -> Administrative Tools would
work.  Since we have about five users that get some benefit from this
database, we used that method.
It worked great...  No login and Access pulls just what is needed from
the SQL server.
Thanks for your help.
Jim

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mike & Doris
Manning
Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2005 2:30 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL Server BE - Access FE

If you use an ADP with Windows authentication, you will get around that.
Otherwise you'll have to pop-up a login box each time you open the
database to set the connection.

Doris Manning
mikedorism at verizon.net

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Hewson
Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2005 2:14 PM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] SQL Server BE - Access FE


Works good....
I can't seem to figure out how the security on the SQL Database can be
used.
When I first go into the FE, the forms work... when I need to look at
any of the data, I get an error message about the login failed for the
user.  I click the OK button and get another screen with Server visible
and the Use Trusted Connection checked.  When I uncheck the box, the
Login ID and Password are available to enter the correct information.
I've looked into the help and couldn't find what I needed. I have one
user in SQL Server with the correct security (Read-Only).

How do I connect without going through that sequence? 

TIA
Jim
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Wed Aug 17 09:10:45 2005
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 00:10:45 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] checkboxes aren't functioning
In-Reply-To: <00b101c5a32a$6628a1e0$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>
References: <20050817124430.HRTS24175.ibm69aec.bellsouth.net@SUSANONE>
Message-ID: <4303D205.23074.170ACFB@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

On 17 Aug 2005 at 8:51, John W. Colby wrote:

> However what if it is bound to a non-boolean field.  For example it is bound
> to an integer, the integer can contain 0 and -1 (and null) so it looks like
> it works just fine.  But what happens if the field gets set to something
> other than null, 0 or -1?
> 

0 is false, anything else (other than Null) is "Not False" ie ticked.



-- 
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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Wed Aug 17 09:52:48 2005
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 15:52:48 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas
Message-ID: <20050817145245.08C7B251515@smtp.nildram.co.uk>

I think we had quite a few suggestions/ideas and between us we could
probably dig them out. But I do realise that this would only be a
time-filler for you, nothing to pay the bills, so you (or others) may have
better ideas.
--
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http://www.minstersystems.co.uk




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Date: 17/08/05 13:21


On 16 Aug 2005 at 7:59, Andy Lacey wrote:

> Really sorry to hear that.
>
> How about the long-awaited v2 of BEU?

We were just going to make V2 an library? Or was that V 3?

I don't remember. I suppose I could always go back and look at the
archives, eh? :)

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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Wed Aug 17 10:07:48 2005
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (DWUTKA at marlow.com)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 10:07:48 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas
Message-ID: <123701F54509D9119A4F00D0B747349016DD57@main2.marlow.com>

Since when did you become an unbounder?  I'm a little shocked at that.  I
guess you finally came across to the dark side! ;)

Drew

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Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 5:27 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
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>so the occasional bound/unbound, natural/surrogate key, and naming
convention argument are simply a way of maintaining our individuality in the
world of massive neuron flux.  ;)

No, unbound forms and surrogate keys are just superior.  ;-0  And of course
anyone who doesn't use a naming convention, specifically MY naming
convention is... a dolt.  <grin>

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of DWUTKA at marlow.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 5:37 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas


<grin>, I was hoping you were going to get a good chuckle out of that.
Personally, I think that is one of the main factors why this list puts out
good tips, and is so helpful to people.  It's the 'chest pounding' factor.
Whether we want to admit it or not, we'll fall all over each other trying to
help someone because we want to show off a bit.  This is one of the rare
parts of our lives where people actually CAN appreciate how brilliant we all
our.... ;)

I tried explaining a process I was working on involving custom events and
classes to a fellow computer geek, and I got the glassy eyed look of
complete confusion.  

So to everyone on the list, we're all geniuses....so pat someone on the back
when you can, and get ready to be patted yourself.  Yes, to the rest of the
world we're a bunch of 'nerds', but wear that label with pride. (a few
tattoos and a decent weight training program will keep most of the 'nerd'
remarks in check....) ;)

Just keep in mind that while we all like to impress with our ideas, genius
comes with a lot of prejudice, so the occasional bound/unbound,
natural/surrogate key, and naming convention argument are simply a way of
maintaining our individuality in the world of massive neuron flux.  ;)

Drew

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From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 4:26 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas


ROTFLMAO.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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That's easy, and requires no code or special hardware.  Just call up JC, and
tell him that you don't think his framework would hand XYZ...and let him
prove you wrong.  When he has given you proof, thank him, tell him he's
stellar, and a god among mortals, and walk away with completed JC Classes.

<grin>

Of course, the same method will work on me too....

Drew

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Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 2:45 PM
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Voice command app that would automatically write John Colby Classes and code
for you.

Joe Hecht
Los Angeles CA

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed Aug 17 10:18:09 2005
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 08:18:09 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86873BBC@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Sssshhhh, Drew.  Don't point that out and we'll have it to use as
evidence the next time a bound/unbound battle rages. <VBG>

Charlotte Foust


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Since when did you become an unbounder?  I'm a little shocked at that.
I guess you finally came across to the dark side! ;)

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 5:27 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas


>so the occasional bound/unbound, natural/surrogate key, and naming
convention argument are simply a way of maintaining our individuality in
the world of massive neuron flux.  ;)

No, unbound forms and surrogate keys are just superior.  ;-0  And of
course anyone who doesn't use a naming convention, specifically MY
naming convention is... a dolt.  <grin>

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas


<grin>, I was hoping you were going to get a good chuckle out of that.
Personally, I think that is one of the main factors why this list puts
out good tips, and is so helpful to people.  It's the 'chest pounding'
factor. Whether we want to admit it or not, we'll fall all over each
other trying to help someone because we want to show off a bit.  This is
one of the rare parts of our lives where people actually CAN appreciate
how brilliant we all our.... ;)

I tried explaining a process I was working on involving custom events
and classes to a fellow computer geek, and I got the glassy eyed look of
complete confusion.  

So to everyone on the list, we're all geniuses....so pat someone on the
back when you can, and get ready to be patted yourself.  Yes, to the
rest of the world we're a bunch of 'nerds', but wear that label with
pride. (a few tattoos and a decent weight training program will keep
most of the 'nerd' remarks in check....) ;)

Just keep in mind that while we all like to impress with our ideas,
genius comes with a lot of prejudice, so the occasional bound/unbound,
natural/surrogate key, and naming convention argument are simply a way
of maintaining our individuality in the world of massive neuron flux.
;)

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 4:26 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas


ROTFLMAO.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
DWUTKA at marlow.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 4:00 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas


That's easy, and requires no code or special hardware.  Just call up JC,
and tell him that you don't think his framework would hand XYZ...and let
him prove you wrong.  When he has given you proof, thank him, tell him
he's stellar, and a god among mortals, and walk away with completed JC
Classes.

<grin>

Of course, the same method will work on me too....

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Hecht [mailto:jmhecht at earthlink.net]
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 2:45 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas


Voice command app that would automatically write John Colby Classes and
code for you.

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From jmhecht at earthlink.net  Wed Aug 17 10:29:44 2005
From: jmhecht at earthlink.net (Joe Hecht)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 08:29:44 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas
In-Reply-To: <005601c5a2dc$903c1a50$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <000201c5a340$8003e320$6401a8c0@laptop1>

And some of us are just thick and near need to have sysvars explained a few
times before we can make it work in our apps?

Joe Hecht
Los Angeles CA

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 8:34 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas

LOL, yea, you don't recover from my lectures that easily.  ;-)  Just kinda
numbs the whole body.

John W. Colby
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Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 11:28 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
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"I haven't done a lecture since
the first AccessD conference at Rocky's house." JC

..took the victims this long to recover, eh :)

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Aug 17 11:12:09 2005
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 12:12:09 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas
In-Reply-To: <123701F54509D9119A4F00D0B747349016DD57@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <00bb01c5a346$6b965660$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

LOL.  Nope, typo.  <hides head in shame>

John W. Colby
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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of DWUTKA at marlow.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 11:08 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas


Since when did you become an unbounder?  I'm a little shocked at that.  I
guess you finally came across to the dark side! ;)

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 5:27 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas


>so the occasional bound/unbound, natural/surrogate key, and naming
convention argument are simply a way of maintaining our individuality in the
world of massive neuron flux.  ;)

No, unbound forms and surrogate keys are just superior.  ;-0  And of course
anyone who doesn't use a naming convention, specifically MY naming
convention is... a dolt.  <grin>

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of DWUTKA at marlow.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 5:37 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas


<grin>, I was hoping you were going to get a good chuckle out of that.
Personally, I think that is one of the main factors why this list puts out
good tips, and is so helpful to people.  It's the 'chest pounding' factor.
Whether we want to admit it or not, we'll fall all over each other trying to
help someone because we want to show off a bit.  This is one of the rare
parts of our lives where people actually CAN appreciate how brilliant we all
our.... ;)

I tried explaining a process I was working on involving custom events and
classes to a fellow computer geek, and I got the glassy eyed look of
complete confusion.  

So to everyone on the list, we're all geniuses....so pat someone on the back
when you can, and get ready to be patted yourself.  Yes, to the rest of the
world we're a bunch of 'nerds', but wear that label with pride. (a few
tattoos and a decent weight training program will keep most of the 'nerd'
remarks in check....) ;)

Just keep in mind that while we all like to impress with our ideas, genius
comes with a lot of prejudice, so the occasional bound/unbound,
natural/surrogate key, and naming convention argument are simply a way of
maintaining our individuality in the world of massive neuron flux.  ;)

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 4:26 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas


ROTFLMAO.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of DWUTKA at marlow.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 4:00 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas


That's easy, and requires no code or special hardware.  Just call up JC, and
tell him that you don't think his framework would hand XYZ...and let him
prove you wrong.  When he has given you proof, thank him, tell him he's
stellar, and a god among mortals, and walk away with completed JC Classes.

<grin>

Of course, the same method will work on me too....

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Hecht [mailto:jmhecht at earthlink.net]
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 2:45 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas


Voice command app that would automatically write John Colby Classes and code
for you.

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed Aug 17 11:32:36 2005
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 09:32:36 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86873BBE@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Hah!  More like a Freudian slip! LOL

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 9:12 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas


LOL.  Nope, typo.  <hides head in shame>

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
DWUTKA at marlow.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 11:08 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas


Since when did you become an unbounder?  I'm a little shocked at that.
I guess you finally came across to the dark side! ;)

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 5:27 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas


>so the occasional bound/unbound, natural/surrogate key, and naming
convention argument are simply a way of maintaining our individuality in
the world of massive neuron flux.  ;)

No, unbound forms and surrogate keys are just superior.  ;-0  And of
course anyone who doesn't use a naming convention, specifically MY
naming convention is... a dolt.  <grin>

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
DWUTKA at marlow.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 5:37 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas


<grin>, I was hoping you were going to get a good chuckle out of that.
Personally, I think that is one of the main factors why this list puts
out good tips, and is so helpful to people.  It's the 'chest pounding'
factor. Whether we want to admit it or not, we'll fall all over each
other trying to help someone because we want to show off a bit.  This is
one of the rare parts of our lives where people actually CAN appreciate
how brilliant we all our.... ;)

I tried explaining a process I was working on involving custom events
and classes to a fellow computer geek, and I got the glassy eyed look of
complete confusion.  

So to everyone on the list, we're all geniuses....so pat someone on the
back when you can, and get ready to be patted yourself.  Yes, to the
rest of the world we're a bunch of 'nerds', but wear that label with
pride. (a few tattoos and a decent weight training program will keep
most of the 'nerd' remarks in check....) ;)

Just keep in mind that while we all like to impress with our ideas,
genius comes with a lot of prejudice, so the occasional bound/unbound,
natural/surrogate key, and naming convention argument are simply a way
of maintaining our individuality in the world of massive neuron flux.
;)

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 4:26 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas


ROTFLMAO.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
DWUTKA at marlow.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 4:00 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas


That's easy, and requires no code or special hardware.  Just call up JC,
and tell him that you don't think his framework would hand XYZ...and let
him prove you wrong.  When he has given you proof, thank him, tell him
he's stellar, and a god among mortals, and walk away with completed JC
Classes.

<grin>

Of course, the same method will work on me too....

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Hecht [mailto:jmhecht at earthlink.net]
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 2:45 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas


Voice command app that would automatically write John Colby Classes and
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From marklbreen at gmail.com  Wed Aug 17 11:37:14 2005
From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 17:37:14 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] How to Manage Maintenance Mode - Auto shutdown
Message-ID: <c7fd28d0050817093728e6fca1@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Group,

I have an app uses MS SQL 2000 Server as it's backend database.  I
want to run some maintenance routines on the db and they require that
I switch the db into single user mode.  This is easily done and once I
have it in Single User Mode, it is easy to kick off the maintenance
routines.

My question is what ways you may have handled a polite automatic
shutdown of the application in your worlds.

Technically, I do not have to shut down my app, I could just break the
connection to SQL server, but I think that I may as well shut down the
entire app.

I could use timers, and I could insert 'activity' updates and only
shut down the FE app when the app is not being used.

So for example, I could update a database field and when the field has
not been used for more than 30 minutes I can assume that it is
in-active.  This would allow me to auto shut down the app, but I would
like to leave some message behind me to let the user know where their
app went rather than just killing it!

I could also break the connection to the db, then display a message
box saying the db has been shutdown and allow the user to click OK to
continue.

I am not seeking detailed technical help here, more philosophically
how you guys handle this type of situation.

Any thoughts or comments are appreciated, 

I hope you and your family are all well,

Mark Breen


From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Wed Aug 17 11:38:42 2005
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (DWUTKA at marlow.com)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 11:38:42 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas
Message-ID: <123701F54509D9119A4F00D0B747349016DD5E@main2.marlow.com>

Nope.  Here's the scenario:

Main Service (runs on any NT machine on the subnet...listens to whatever
port you want to designate with UDP).  Has a simple table with 'command' and
'return' values.  An incoming 'command' is cross referenced to the 'return'
values list and the return value is sent back.

Control program.  'Finds' the Main Service and allows for changing the
commands and returns.

Added code for a project.  Scans the subnet for the Main Service.  Sends a
designated command, and gets the return.  Uses the return value to relink
tables (or whatever else you want to do).

Advantages.  There doesn't have to be any hard reference at all.  With UDP,
that project I mentioned on the OT list scans our entire subnet is a split
second.  Not kidding, it looks instantaneous, but I'm sure it is closer to
half a second.  Our subnet was 255.255.254.0 (512 addresses), but a few
weeks ago it shifted to 255.255.240.0 (4096 addresses), and there is no
significant change in 'scan time'.  The advantage of 'scanning' is that the
Main Service could be placed on any machine, and moved at will.  And the
'added code' portion to an Access project wouldn't care what subnet it's on,
as long as it has the 'main service' in the same subnet.

Practical example:

Command: 'InventoryDBPath'
Return: (At company 1):'\\SomeServer\SomeShare\AccessDB\Inventory.mdb'
Return: (At Company 2):'T:\InventorySystem\Databases\Inventory.mdb'
Return: (At Developer's site):
'D:\ProjectDatabases\Inventory\Inventory2a.mdb'

Now, with the added code in the Front End .mdb, the exact same .mdb can be
run in all three places, and the tables would be automatically relinked with
no prompting for information.  If a local site needs to move the database,
simply copy it to the new location, 'update' the return value (using the
control program), and the next time the front ends are started, they are
linked to the new location.

To show you the comm portion of this, I just whipped up two sample projects
(a client and a server).  You can download them at
http://www.marlow.com/UDPTest.zip .  A few things to note with these
projects.  UDP doesn't jive well on the same machine.  So if you run the
server and client on the same machine, you're not going to be able to send
information through UDP.  TCP to the rescue on that.  You can trap the
specific error when the client and server are on the same machine.  So in
this test project, if you run both .exe's on the same machine, it fails over
to a TCP connection, which does the same thing as the UDP process. (The
server .exe has a text box to put in sample data, and it sends the data to
the client when 'asked'.  Another thing to note, is that when you press the
button on the client service, there are two 'issues'.  One, for the sake of
development speed, I have it build the subnet list when the button is
pressed.  So that is responsible for about half of the delay (depending on
the size of your subnet).  Here at work, we have 4096 addresses, so there is
about a half a second delay in getting a response.  The other half is
scanning the subnet.  The delay would be reduced to a quarter of a second if
you built the subnet collection on load, which would speed up future
'scans'.  The other issue is that with UDP, it is a connectionless protocol,
and since it scans the entire subnet, if the server has multiple IP
addresses, it would receive multiple return hits.  To compensate, it only
does something for the first 'hit'.

Drew


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From: Bryan Carbonnell [mailto:carbonnb at sympatico.ca]
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 8:25 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas


On 16 Aug 2005 at 11:29, DWUTKA at marlow.com wrote:

> How about a master table-linker service?  Create a service that can be
> run on any machine in the network, which 'knows' the location of all
> linked tables.  One module in the database runs at startup, 'scans'
> the network for the 'server' which tells it if it needs to relink it's
> tables or not.

Besides running as a service, how would that be much different from 
any of the other relinkers out there?

Wouldn't something that scans the network put a heavy load on the 
network?

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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Wed Aug 17 11:41:02 2005
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (DWUTKA at marlow.com)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 11:41:02 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas
Message-ID: <123701F54509D9119A4F00D0B747349016DD5F@main2.marlow.com>

Oh, it has not only been archived, but I've alerted the local
press.....it'll be on CNN as soon as they clean up the worm from their
computers! ;)

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 10:18 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas


Sssshhhh, Drew.  Don't point that out and we'll have it to use as
evidence the next time a bound/unbound battle rages. <VBG>

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 8:08 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas


Since when did you become an unbounder?  I'm a little shocked at that.
I guess you finally came across to the dark side! ;)

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 5:27 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas


>so the occasional bound/unbound, natural/surrogate key, and naming
convention argument are simply a way of maintaining our individuality in
the world of massive neuron flux.  ;)

No, unbound forms and surrogate keys are just superior.  ;-0  And of
course anyone who doesn't use a naming convention, specifically MY
naming convention is... a dolt.  <grin>

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
DWUTKA at marlow.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 5:37 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas


<grin>, I was hoping you were going to get a good chuckle out of that.
Personally, I think that is one of the main factors why this list puts
out good tips, and is so helpful to people.  It's the 'chest pounding'
factor. Whether we want to admit it or not, we'll fall all over each
other trying to help someone because we want to show off a bit.  This is
one of the rare parts of our lives where people actually CAN appreciate
how brilliant we all our.... ;)

I tried explaining a process I was working on involving custom events
and classes to a fellow computer geek, and I got the glassy eyed look of
complete confusion.  

So to everyone on the list, we're all geniuses....so pat someone on the
back when you can, and get ready to be patted yourself.  Yes, to the
rest of the world we're a bunch of 'nerds', but wear that label with
pride. (a few tattoos and a decent weight training program will keep
most of the 'nerd' remarks in check....) ;)

Just keep in mind that while we all like to impress with our ideas,
genius comes with a lot of prejudice, so the occasional bound/unbound,
natural/surrogate key, and naming convention argument are simply a way
of maintaining our individuality in the world of massive neuron flux.
;)

Drew

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From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 4:26 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas


ROTFLMAO.

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Subject: RE: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas


That's easy, and requires no code or special hardware.  Just call up JC,
and tell him that you don't think his framework would hand XYZ...and let
him prove you wrong.  When he has given you proof, thank him, tell him
he's stellar, and a god among mortals, and walk away with completed JC
Classes.

<grin>

Of course, the same method will work on me too....

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Hecht [mailto:jmhecht at earthlink.net]
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 2:45 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas


Voice command app that would automatically write John Colby Classes and
code for you.

Joe Hecht
Los Angeles CA

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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Wed Aug 17 11:41:42 2005
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (DWUTKA at marlow.com)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 11:41:42 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas
Message-ID: <123701F54509D9119A4F00D0B747349016DD60@main2.marlow.com>

I think it was a subconsious statement.  Listen to your feelings Luke. ;)

Drew

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From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 11:12 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas


LOL.  Nope, typo.  <hides head in shame>

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Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 11:08 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas


Since when did you become an unbounder?  I'm a little shocked at that.  I
guess you finally came across to the dark side! ;)

Drew

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Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 5:27 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas


>so the occasional bound/unbound, natural/surrogate key, and naming
convention argument are simply a way of maintaining our individuality in the
world of massive neuron flux.  ;)

No, unbound forms and surrogate keys are just superior.  ;-0  And of course
anyone who doesn't use a naming convention, specifically MY naming
convention is... a dolt.  <grin>

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Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 5:37 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas


<grin>, I was hoping you were going to get a good chuckle out of that.
Personally, I think that is one of the main factors why this list puts out
good tips, and is so helpful to people.  It's the 'chest pounding' factor.
Whether we want to admit it or not, we'll fall all over each other trying to
help someone because we want to show off a bit.  This is one of the rare
parts of our lives where people actually CAN appreciate how brilliant we all
our.... ;)

I tried explaining a process I was working on involving custom events and
classes to a fellow computer geek, and I got the glassy eyed look of
complete confusion.  

So to everyone on the list, we're all geniuses....so pat someone on the back
when you can, and get ready to be patted yourself.  Yes, to the rest of the
world we're a bunch of 'nerds', but wear that label with pride. (a few
tattoos and a decent weight training program will keep most of the 'nerd'
remarks in check....) ;)

Just keep in mind that while we all like to impress with our ideas, genius
comes with a lot of prejudice, so the occasional bound/unbound,
natural/surrogate key, and naming convention argument are simply a way of
maintaining our individuality in the world of massive neuron flux.  ;)

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 4:26 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas


ROTFLMAO.

John W. Colby
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Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 4:00 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas


That's easy, and requires no code or special hardware.  Just call up JC, and
tell him that you don't think his framework would hand XYZ...and let him
prove you wrong.  When he has given you proof, thank him, tell him he's
stellar, and a god among mortals, and walk away with completed JC Classes.

<grin>

Of course, the same method will work on me too....

Drew

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From: Joe Hecht [mailto:jmhecht at earthlink.net]
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 2:45 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas


Voice command app that would automatically write John Colby Classes and code
for you.

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Aug 17 11:58:08 2005
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 12:58:08 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas
In-Reply-To: <123701F54509D9119A4F00D0B747349016DD60@main2.marlow.com>
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ROTFL.  I thought I was the master.

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Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 12:42 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas


I think it was a subconsious statement.  Listen to your feelings Luke. ;)

Drew

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Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 11:12 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas


LOL.  Nope, typo.  <hides head in shame>

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed Aug 17 12:00:20 2005
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 10:00:20 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] How to Manage Maintenance Mode - Auto shutdown
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86873BC0@infoserver01.infostat.local>

We generally don't have polite automatic shutdowns, since our software
could run for hours waiting for someone to finish a task and enter the
data associated with it.  If we have something along those lines (or we
need to compact/repair the front end) we set normally up the code to run
when it can get an exclusive lock on the database.  That just means that
when it thinks it should do this, as when the user is closing down, it
checks to see whether it can.  The same checks will happen on any
machine, so the last one to close down wins the prize of running the
maintenance routines.   

What specific kinds of maintenance were you going to run?

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Breen [mailto:marklbreen at gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 9:37 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] How to Manage Maintenance Mode - Auto shutdown


Hello Group,

I have an app uses MS SQL 2000 Server as it's backend database.  I want
to run some maintenance routines on the db and they require that I
switch the db into single user mode.  This is easily done and once I
have it in Single User Mode, it is easy to kick off the maintenance
routines.

My question is what ways you may have handled a polite automatic
shutdown of the application in your worlds.

Technically, I do not have to shut down my app, I could just break the
connection to SQL server, but I think that I may as well shut down the
entire app.

I could use timers, and I could insert 'activity' updates and only shut
down the FE app when the app is not being used.

So for example, I could update a database field and when the field has
not been used for more than 30 minutes I can assume that it is
in-active.  This would allow me to auto shut down the app, but I would
like to leave some message behind me to let the user know where their
app went rather than just killing it!

I could also break the connection to the db, then display a message box
saying the db has been shutdown and allow the user to click OK to
continue.

I am not seeking detailed technical help here, more philosophically how
you guys handle this type of situation.

Any thoughts or comments are appreciated, 

I hope you and your family are all well,

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed Aug 17 12:01:23 2005
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 10:01:23 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86873BC1@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Pride goeth before the fall. <g>

Charlotte Foust


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From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 9:58 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas


ROTFL.  I thought I was the master.

John W. Colby
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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
DWUTKA at marlow.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 12:42 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas


I think it was a subconsious statement.  Listen to your feelings Luke.
;)

Drew

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Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 11:12 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas


LOL.  Nope, typo.  <hides head in shame>

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Aug 17 12:13:22 2005
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 13:13:22 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] How to Manage Maintenance Mode - Auto shutdown
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86873BC0@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <00c301c5a34e$fb7eb990$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

The problem with that method is that if anyone leaves their FE open
overnight (always on) the task can never run.  The only alternative that I
know of is to have a form always open in every FE, running a timer.  The
timer tick can do one of several things, including just checking a table for
a shutdown flag and informing the user that a shutdown will occur etc.  In
the end though the form and its timer has to do the shutdown.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 1:00 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] How to Manage Maintenance Mode - Auto shutdown


We generally don't have polite automatic shutdowns, since our software could
run for hours waiting for someone to finish a task and enter the data
associated with it.  If we have something along those lines (or we need to
compact/repair the front end) we set normally up the code to run when it can
get an exclusive lock on the database.  That just means that when it thinks
it should do this, as when the user is closing down, it checks to see
whether it can.  The same checks will happen on any machine, so the last one
to close down wins the prize of running the
maintenance routines.   

What specific kinds of maintenance were you going to run?

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Breen [mailto:marklbreen at gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 9:37 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] How to Manage Maintenance Mode - Auto shutdown


Hello Group,

I have an app uses MS SQL 2000 Server as it's backend database.  I want to
run some maintenance routines on the db and they require that I switch the
db into single user mode.  This is easily done and once I have it in Single
User Mode, it is easy to kick off the maintenance routines.

My question is what ways you may have handled a polite automatic shutdown of
the application in your worlds.

Technically, I do not have to shut down my app, I could just break the
connection to SQL server, but I think that I may as well shut down the
entire app.

I could use timers, and I could insert 'activity' updates and only shut down
the FE app when the app is not being used.

So for example, I could update a database field and when the field has not
been used for more than 30 minutes I can assume that it is in-active.  This
would allow me to auto shut down the app, but I would like to leave some
message behind me to let the user know where their app went rather than just
killing it!

I could also break the connection to the db, then display a message box
saying the db has been shutdown and allow the user to click OK to continue.

I am not seeking detailed technical help here, more philosophically how you
guys handle this type of situation.

Any thoughts or comments are appreciated, 

I hope you and your family are all well,

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From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com  Wed Aug 17 12:18:02 2005
From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 13:18:02 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] How to Manage Maintenance Mode - Auto shutdown
Message-ID: <1D7828CDB8350747AFE9D69E0E90DA1F1484B89C@xlivmbx21.aig.com>

Go here to get the code to perform an automated shutdown.

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;304408

The code used is dependant on a form timer, and only looks for inactivity.
But it is very simple to modify it to also check a flag value in a table
periodically to see if the app. is being forced to close by the
administrator.

I use this method all the time.

Lambert

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 12:37 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] How to Manage Maintenance Mode - Auto shutdown


Hello Group,

I have an app uses MS SQL 2000 Server as it's backend database.  I want to
run some maintenance routines on the db and they require that I switch the
db into single user mode.  This is easily done and once I have it in Single
User Mode, it is easy to kick off the maintenance routines.

My question is what ways you may have handled a polite automatic shutdown of
the application in your worlds.

Technically, I do not have to shut down my app, I could just break the
connection to SQL server, but I think that I may as well shut down the
entire app.

I could use timers, and I could insert 'activity' updates and only shut down
the FE app when the app is not being used.

So for example, I could update a database field and when the field has not
been used for more than 30 minutes I can assume that it is in-active.  This
would allow me to auto shut down the app, but I would like to leave some
message behind me to let the user know where their app went rather than just
killing it!

I could also break the connection to the db, then display a message box
saying the db has been shutdown and allow the user to click OK to continue.

I am not seeking detailed technical help here, more philosophically how you
guys handle this type of situation.

Any thoughts or comments are appreciated, 

I hope you and your family are all well,

Mark Breen
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Wed Aug 17 12:30:23 2005
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (DWUTKA at marlow.com)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 12:30:23 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas
Message-ID: <123701F54509D9119A4F00D0B747349016DD62@main2.marlow.com>

Man, there are so many ways I could reply to this, and I haven't come up
with a single one that won't get me in trouble!

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 11:58 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas


ROTFL.  I thought I was the master.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of DWUTKA at marlow.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 12:42 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas


I think it was a subconsious statement.  Listen to your feelings Luke. ;)

Drew

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From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 11:12 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas


LOL.  Nope, typo.  <hides head in shame>

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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Wed Aug 17 12:32:13 2005
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (DWUTKA at marlow.com)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 12:32:13 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] How to Manage Maintenance Mode - Auto shutdown
Message-ID: <123701F54509D9119A4F00D0B747349016DD63@main2.marlow.com>

Actually, with the UDP comm stuff I am talking about in the 'I Need Some
Ideas' thread, a listening with UDP to a specific port would provide a way
to 'shutdown' remote FE's relatively instantenously, from a central point.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 12:13 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] How to Manage Maintenance Mode - Auto shutdown


The problem with that method is that if anyone leaves their FE open
overnight (always on) the task can never run.  The only alternative that I
know of is to have a form always open in every FE, running a timer.  The
timer tick can do one of several things, including just checking a table for
a shutdown flag and informing the user that a shutdown will occur etc.  In
the end though the form and its timer has to do the shutdown.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 1:00 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] How to Manage Maintenance Mode - Auto shutdown


We generally don't have polite automatic shutdowns, since our software could
run for hours waiting for someone to finish a task and enter the data
associated with it.  If we have something along those lines (or we need to
compact/repair the front end) we set normally up the code to run when it can
get an exclusive lock on the database.  That just means that when it thinks
it should do this, as when the user is closing down, it checks to see
whether it can.  The same checks will happen on any machine, so the last one
to close down wins the prize of running the
maintenance routines.   

What specific kinds of maintenance were you going to run?

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Breen [mailto:marklbreen at gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 9:37 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] How to Manage Maintenance Mode - Auto shutdown


Hello Group,

I have an app uses MS SQL 2000 Server as it's backend database.  I want to
run some maintenance routines on the db and they require that I switch the
db into single user mode.  This is easily done and once I have it in Single
User Mode, it is easy to kick off the maintenance routines.

My question is what ways you may have handled a polite automatic shutdown of
the application in your worlds.

Technically, I do not have to shut down my app, I could just break the
connection to SQL server, but I think that I may as well shut down the
entire app.

I could use timers, and I could insert 'activity' updates and only shut down
the FE app when the app is not being used.

So for example, I could update a database field and when the field has not
been used for more than 30 minutes I can assume that it is in-active.  This
would allow me to auto shut down the app, but I would like to leave some
message behind me to let the user know where their app went rather than just
killing it!

I could also break the connection to the db, then display a message box
saying the db has been shutdown and allow the user to click OK to continue.

I am not seeking detailed technical help here, more philosophically how you
guys handle this type of situation.

Any thoughts or comments are appreciated, 

I hope you and your family are all well,

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Aug 17 12:44:25 2005
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 13:44:25 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] How to Manage Maintenance Mode - Auto shutdown
In-Reply-To: <123701F54509D9119A4F00D0B747349016DD63@main2.marlow.com>
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Woa, talk to me.  A dll or something which sources events, which can be sunk
by a class in the FE?  I am in need of something non-timer related.  Timers
just suck in Access.  

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of DWUTKA at marlow.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 1:32 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] How to Manage Maintenance Mode - Auto shutdown


Actually, with the UDP comm stuff I am talking about in the 'I Need Some
Ideas' thread, a listening with UDP to a specific port would provide a way
to 'shutdown' remote FE's relatively instantenously, from a central point.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 12:13 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] How to Manage Maintenance Mode - Auto shutdown


The problem with that method is that if anyone leaves their FE open
overnight (always on) the task can never run.  The only alternative that I
know of is to have a form always open in every FE, running a timer.  The
timer tick can do one of several things, including just checking a table for
a shutdown flag and informing the user that a shutdown will occur etc.  In
the end though the form and its timer has to do the shutdown.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 1:00 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] How to Manage Maintenance Mode - Auto shutdown


We generally don't have polite automatic shutdowns, since our software could
run for hours waiting for someone to finish a task and enter the data
associated with it.  If we have something along those lines (or we need to
compact/repair the front end) we set normally up the code to run when it can
get an exclusive lock on the database.  That just means that when it thinks
it should do this, as when the user is closing down, it checks to see
whether it can.  The same checks will happen on any machine, so the last one
to close down wins the prize of running the
maintenance routines.   

What specific kinds of maintenance were you going to run?

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Breen [mailto:marklbreen at gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 9:37 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] How to Manage Maintenance Mode - Auto shutdown


Hello Group,

I have an app uses MS SQL 2000 Server as it's backend database.  I want to
run some maintenance routines on the db and they require that I switch the
db into single user mode.  This is easily done and once I have it in Single
User Mode, it is easy to kick off the maintenance routines.

My question is what ways you may have handled a polite automatic shutdown of
the application in your worlds.

Technically, I do not have to shut down my app, I could just break the
connection to SQL server, but I think that I may as well shut down the
entire app.

I could use timers, and I could insert 'activity' updates and only shut down
the FE app when the app is not being used.

So for example, I could update a database field and when the field has not
been used for more than 30 minutes I can assume that it is in-active.  This
would allow me to auto shut down the app, but I would like to leave some
message behind me to let the user know where their app went rather than just
killing it!

I could also break the connection to the db, then display a message box
saying the db has been shutdown and allow the user to click OK to continue.

I am not seeking detailed technical help here, more philosophically how you
guys handle this type of situation.

Any thoughts or comments are appreciated, 

I hope you and your family are all well,

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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Wed Aug 17 13:07:40 2005
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (DWUTKA at marlow.com)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 13:07:40 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] How to Manage Maintenance Mode - Auto shutdown
Message-ID: <123701F54509D9119A4F00D0B747349016DD65@main2.marlow.com>

download the demo I whipped up this morning.
http://www.marlow.com/UDPTest.zip

it's a VB project.  Actually 2.  Ones a client, ones a server.  In the other
thread, I was discussing that you could set up a VB NT Service as the
'server', and the Front End's as the 'clients'.  The Front Ends can then
query the server (with no hard link, the code I have in the demo 'scans' the
entire subnet/LAN in a split second, and receives the response if there is
an active 'server'.  I suggested using this as a table linker, where the
'server' has a list of database paths, and with the correct 'prompt' from
the client, it would return the correct path for that network.

If you use this process in reverse, making the Front End's the 'server' (so
you would have multiple servers, with one client), and make a 'control
client', you could send out (from the client) a message that the servers
would receive, and deal with as you wish.  ie, 'ShutDownNow' or
'AskToShutDown', or 'AreYouActive'.  The message would simply be sent out,
and the online clients could then react to the message.  No timer.

Now, as an FYI, the VB projects I have in there use the Winsock OCX.  For
me, that is no issue at all, since I have a VB program installed on all
client machines here, which uses it, so it's registered on every machine we
setup here.  However, I know in the pure Access world, OCX's are sometimes
frowned upon due to their requirement to be set up on client machines they
don't exist on.  Winsock code can be done strictly through API's though,
which eliminates the need for the Winsock OCX.  However, and this is the
catch with Access, the API's for window's sockets use the Window Messaging
queue for receiving data from TCP/IP comms.  To do that, you have to use
callback functions.  (when you subclass a form/window, to put it in the
system tray, you use the windows messaging callback to determine what is
happening to the icon in the system tray).  Callbacks in Access 2000 and up
(not sure if it is fixed in later versions of Access, I know 97 is fine, and
2000 is not, so I'm not sure if 2002 or 2003 work correctly or not....) make
development a little quirky.  In a finished state, there is nothing wrong.
However, if a callback procedure is 'hooked', and you go into debug mode
with the VBA code, you'll lock up Access 2000 (again, don't know if this is
fixed with later versions).

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 12:44 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] How to Manage Maintenance Mode - Auto shutdown


Woa, talk to me.  A dll or something which sources events, which can be sunk
by a class in the FE?  I am in need of something non-timer related.  Timers
just suck in Access.  

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of DWUTKA at marlow.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 1:32 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] How to Manage Maintenance Mode - Auto shutdown


Actually, with the UDP comm stuff I am talking about in the 'I Need Some
Ideas' thread, a listening with UDP to a specific port would provide a way
to 'shutdown' remote FE's relatively instantenously, from a central point.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 12:13 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] How to Manage Maintenance Mode - Auto shutdown


The problem with that method is that if anyone leaves their FE open
overnight (always on) the task can never run.  The only alternative that I
know of is to have a form always open in every FE, running a timer.  The
timer tick can do one of several things, including just checking a table for
a shutdown flag and informing the user that a shutdown will occur etc.  In
the end though the form and its timer has to do the shutdown.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 1:00 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] How to Manage Maintenance Mode - Auto shutdown


We generally don't have polite automatic shutdowns, since our software could
run for hours waiting for someone to finish a task and enter the data
associated with it.  If we have something along those lines (or we need to
compact/repair the front end) we set normally up the code to run when it can
get an exclusive lock on the database.  That just means that when it thinks
it should do this, as when the user is closing down, it checks to see
whether it can.  The same checks will happen on any machine, so the last one
to close down wins the prize of running the
maintenance routines.   

What specific kinds of maintenance were you going to run?

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Breen [mailto:marklbreen at gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 9:37 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] How to Manage Maintenance Mode - Auto shutdown


Hello Group,

I have an app uses MS SQL 2000 Server as it's backend database.  I want to
run some maintenance routines on the db and they require that I switch the
db into single user mode.  This is easily done and once I have it in Single
User Mode, it is easy to kick off the maintenance routines.

My question is what ways you may have handled a polite automatic shutdown of
the application in your worlds.

Technically, I do not have to shut down my app, I could just break the
connection to SQL server, but I think that I may as well shut down the
entire app.

I could use timers, and I could insert 'activity' updates and only shut down
the FE app when the app is not being used.

So for example, I could update a database field and when the field has not
been used for more than 30 minutes I can assume that it is in-active.  This
would allow me to auto shut down the app, but I would like to leave some
message behind me to let the user know where their app went rather than just
killing it!

I could also break the connection to the db, then display a message box
saying the db has been shutdown and allow the user to click OK to continue.

I am not seeking detailed technical help here, more philosophically how you
guys handle this type of situation.

Any thoughts or comments are appreciated, 

I hope you and your family are all well,

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed Aug 17 13:56:28 2005
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 11:56:28 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] How to Manage Maintenance Mode - Auto shutdown
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86873BC2@infoserver01.infostat.local>

True, but since drilling rigs usually have only one or possibly two
laptops running our software, and since the laptops are somewhat
associated with the shift, it doesn't work that way for us.  My point
was that it isn't an issue for everyone.  We make that a procedural
issue for our clients rather than trying to outwit them.

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 10:13 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] How to Manage Maintenance Mode - Auto shutdown


The problem with that method is that if anyone leaves their FE open
overnight (always on) the task can never run.  The only alternative that
I know of is to have a form always open in every FE, running a timer.
The timer tick can do one of several things, including just checking a
table for a shutdown flag and informing the user that a shutdown will
occur etc.  In the end though the form and its timer has to do the
shutdown.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 1:00 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] How to Manage Maintenance Mode - Auto shutdown


We generally don't have polite automatic shutdowns, since our software
could run for hours waiting for someone to finish a task and enter the
data associated with it.  If we have something along those lines (or we
need to compact/repair the front end) we set normally up the code to run
when it can get an exclusive lock on the database.  That just means that
when it thinks it should do this, as when the user is closing down, it
checks to see whether it can.  The same checks will happen on any
machine, so the last one to close down wins the prize of running the
maintenance routines.   

What specific kinds of maintenance were you going to run?

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Breen [mailto:marklbreen at gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 9:37 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] How to Manage Maintenance Mode - Auto shutdown


Hello Group,

I have an app uses MS SQL 2000 Server as it's backend database.  I want
to run some maintenance routines on the db and they require that I
switch the db into single user mode.  This is easily done and once I
have it in Single User Mode, it is easy to kick off the maintenance
routines.

My question is what ways you may have handled a polite automatic
shutdown of the application in your worlds.

Technically, I do not have to shut down my app, I could just break the
connection to SQL server, but I think that I may as well shut down the
entire app.

I could use timers, and I could insert 'activity' updates and only shut
down the FE app when the app is not being used.

So for example, I could update a database field and when the field has
not been used for more than 30 minutes I can assume that it is
in-active.  This would allow me to auto shut down the app, but I would
like to leave some message behind me to let the user know where their
app went rather than just killing it!

I could also break the connection to the db, then display a message box
saying the db has been shutdown and allow the user to click OK to
continue.

I am not seeking detailed technical help here, more philosophically how
you guys handle this type of situation.

Any thoughts or comments are appreciated, 

I hope you and your family are all well,

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Aug 17 14:06:07 2005
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 15:06:07 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] How to Manage Maintenance Mode - Auto shutdown
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86873BC2@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <00df01c5a35e$bc385970$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

I understand.  Unfortunately as the number of users goes up, the ability to
get 100% compliance goes down.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 2:56 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] How to Manage Maintenance Mode - Auto shutdown


True, but since drilling rigs usually have only one or possibly two laptops
running our software, and since the laptops are somewhat associated with the
shift, it doesn't work that way for us.  My point was that it isn't an issue
for everyone.  We make that a procedural issue for our clients rather than
trying to outwit them.

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 10:13 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] How to Manage Maintenance Mode - Auto shutdown


The problem with that method is that if anyone leaves their FE open
overnight (always on) the task can never run.  The only alternative that I
know of is to have a form always open in every FE, running a timer. The
timer tick can do one of several things, including just checking a table for
a shutdown flag and informing the user that a shutdown will occur etc.  In
the end though the form and its timer has to do the shutdown.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 1:00 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] How to Manage Maintenance Mode - Auto shutdown


We generally don't have polite automatic shutdowns, since our software could
run for hours waiting for someone to finish a task and enter the data
associated with it.  If we have something along those lines (or we need to
compact/repair the front end) we set normally up the code to run when it can
get an exclusive lock on the database.  That just means that when it thinks
it should do this, as when the user is closing down, it checks to see
whether it can.  The same checks will happen on any machine, so the last one
to close down wins the prize of running the
maintenance routines.   

What specific kinds of maintenance were you going to run?

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Breen [mailto:marklbreen at gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 9:37 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] How to Manage Maintenance Mode - Auto shutdown


Hello Group,

I have an app uses MS SQL 2000 Server as it's backend database.  I want to
run some maintenance routines on the db and they require that I switch the
db into single user mode.  This is easily done and once I have it in Single
User Mode, it is easy to kick off the maintenance routines.

My question is what ways you may have handled a polite automatic shutdown of
the application in your worlds.

Technically, I do not have to shut down my app, I could just break the
connection to SQL server, but I think that I may as well shut down the
entire app.

I could use timers, and I could insert 'activity' updates and only shut down
the FE app when the app is not being used.

So for example, I could update a database field and when the field has not
been used for more than 30 minutes I can assume that it is in-active.  This
would allow me to auto shut down the app, but I would like to leave some
message behind me to let the user know where their app went rather than just
killing it!

I could also break the connection to the db, then display a message box
saying the db has been shutdown and allow the user to click OK to continue.

I am not seeking detailed technical help here, more philosophically how you
guys handle this type of situation.

Any thoughts or comments are appreciated, 

I hope you and your family are all well,

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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Wed Aug 17 14:37:13 2005
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 14:37:13 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] How to Manage Maintenance Mode - Auto shutdown
In-Reply-To: <23347901.1124298423851.JavaMail.root@sniper21>
Message-ID: <001301c5a363$12f6c860$0300a8c0@danwaters>

I've done this for several years and it works very well.  The user gets a
five-minute warning (fine in this app), their data is saved due to a 120
second refresh rate, and no complaints.

This being a form timer in Access doesn't really matter.  If it's 5 minutes
+/- 30 seconds, users won't know or care.

Also, my db will pop up a form on the admin's PC to let them know when
everyone is logged out (and this is just a counted 7 minutes after the
shutdown sequence).

Dan Waters

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 12:18 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Cc: 'Mark Breen'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] How to Manage Maintenance Mode - Auto shutdown

Go here to get the code to perform an automated shutdown.

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;304408

The code used is dependant on a form timer, and only looks for inactivity.
But it is very simple to modify it to also check a flag value in a table
periodically to see if the app. is being forced to close by the
administrator.

I use this method all the time.

Lambert

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 12:37 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] How to Manage Maintenance Mode - Auto shutdown


Hello Group,

I have an app uses MS SQL 2000 Server as it's backend database.  I want to
run some maintenance routines on the db and they require that I switch the
db into single user mode.  This is easily done and once I have it in Single
User Mode, it is easy to kick off the maintenance routines.

My question is what ways you may have handled a polite automatic shutdown of
the application in your worlds.

Technically, I do not have to shut down my app, I could just break the
connection to SQL server, but I think that I may as well shut down the
entire app.

I could use timers, and I could insert 'activity' updates and only shut down
the FE app when the app is not being used.

So for example, I could update a database field and when the field has not
been used for more than 30 minutes I can assume that it is in-active.  This
would allow me to auto shut down the app, but I would like to leave some
message behind me to let the user know where their app went rather than just
killing it!

I could also break the connection to the db, then display a message box
saying the db has been shutdown and allow the user to click OK to continue.

I am not seeking detailed technical help here, more philosophically how you
guys handle this type of situation.

Any thoughts or comments are appreciated, 

I hope you and your family are all well,

Mark Breen
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Wed Aug 17 15:18:28 2005
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (DWUTKA at marlow.com)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 15:18:28 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Force Remote Shutdown Instantly! No timers (sort of)
	WAS:RE: [Ac cessD] How to Manage Maintenance Mode - Auto shutdown
Message-ID: <123701F54509D9119A4F00D0B747349016DD66@main2.marlow.com>

Okay, JC asked about using UDP in reverse.  Since I don't know how
experienced ya'all are with winsocks and TCP/IP communications, I decided to
whip something up.  http://www.marlow.com/RemoteShutdown.zip

Here's how this works.  Inside that zip you'll find an Access 2000 database
with one form and an AutoExec macro (sorry, not writing complete startup
code just for a sample).  The AutoExec opens frmUDPServer 'hidden'.  That
form just sits there, and does absolutely nothing, until UDP comms come into
port 9999.  When the comms come in, there are three options, it will either
directly shutdown (docmd.Quit), it will display itself and give the user 10
seconds to cancel the shutdown (that is why this uses a timer, the timer
event only starts running during the 'prompted shutdown'), or it will
display a message (msgbox).  Also, inside the zip, you'll fine
testclient.exe (along with the VB source code for that .exe).  When you run
that, you'll find that a textbox, listbox, and three command buttons.  

The three buttons do what they say.  Click Shutdown Clients, and ALL Access
sessions on your network, that have frmUDPServer running in the background
will close.  Click 'Ask To Shutdown', and ALL Access sessions with
frmUDPServer running in the background will now display frmUDPServer, and
give the user 10 seconds to cancel the shutdown.  Click 'Send Message To
Clients', and a msgbox will appear on all of the same machines with the text
of what is in the 'Data To Send' labeled textbox.

A few special items to note.  Pressing Any of the three buttons, while
running an Access .mdb with frmUDPServer on the same machine will result in
a 'Cannot use this if a server is running locally!' message, and nothing
will happen.  It's a limitation of UDP comms, but that DOES NOT limit this
application.  (You don't NEED to shut down a LOCAL machine's application
REMOTELY! Eh? LOL).  So if you want to test this, you will need two
machines, one to run the .mdb, and one to run the .exe.

Next note, this uses the winsock .ocx.  As I mentioned in a reply to JC
earlier, this could all be done with API's if so desired, but honestly, I
just don't have time to write this all out with API calls.

Next note, almost forgot the listbox.  When frmUDPServer gets a message from
the network, it sends back it's computer name.  So the listbox will populate
with all of the machines running frmUDPServer that have received a message
from the .exe through the network.

A note about subnets/lans/NICs.  If frmUDPServer is running on a machine
that has multiple NICs, it is going to receive a message for each NIC it
has.  This isn't a concern for the shutdown, and the prompted shutdown
(though the prompted shutdown will delay a little longer, because the first
hit will start it, and the second, third, fourth, etc hits will reset the
time on it....so the countdown won't really countdown until all of the hits
come in. (Unless your network is literally crawling, this will all take less
then a second....).  Sending messages, however, will popup on their machine
for each NIC they have (and on the listbox, you'll see that computername
show up for each message 'received'.

Last note, BE CAREFUL.  This is a SAMPLE project, and I personally wouldn't
use it in a live system as is.  (That is why I sent the VB source).
frmUDPServer has absolutely no safeguards in place.  It receives a
particular string, it stops Access.  I personally would recommend a little
tighter 'confirmation'.  For sample purposes, I'm simply sending out a
simple string 'ShutdownNow' (I think).  I would make that a little more
complex, so that you don't provide an easy method for a hacker to go around
shutting down your applications.

Enjoy!

Drew




From pedro at plex.nl  Wed Aug 17 15:56:55 2005
From: pedro at plex.nl (Pedro Janssen)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 22:56:55 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] checkboxes aren't functioning
References: <20050817124430.HRTS24175.ibm69aec.bellsouth.net@SUSANONE>
	<4303D205.23074.170ACFB@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <005d01c5a370$885e8e50$fac581d5@pedro>

Hello All who responded,

thanks for the advise, but al fieldproperties are ok.
The database worked fine, nothing changed, but the checkboxes stopped
working correctly.
The strange part is that for example in record 1 the checkboxes are working,
in record 2 they aren't and in record 3 they work again. I also heard today
that suddenly you can't make new records with this form. I heven't seen this
yet, but i will come back on this tommorrow.

Pedro Janssen



----- Original Message -----
From: "Stuart McLachlan" <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 4:10 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] checkboxes aren't functioning


> On 17 Aug 2005 at 8:51, John W. Colby wrote:
>
> > However what if it is bound to a non-boolean field.  For example it is
bound
> > to an integer, the integer can contain 0 and -1 (and null) so it looks
like
> > it works just fine.  But what happens if the field gets set to something
> > other than null, 0 or -1?
> >
>
> 0 is false, anything else (other than Null) is "Not False" ie ticked.
>
>
>
> --
> Stuart
>
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From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com  Wed Aug 17 16:27:25 2005
From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 16:27:25 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Parameter make table query
Message-ID: <F1DD538AE6BCE74EBE562DE51564D322FAC095@houexch1.kindermorgan.com>

I try to run the following code for a make table query but it still asks
for a parameter. Why?  Do I need to run it differently? Thanks.

 

PatternName = "123-4"

 

Set MyQDef1 = MyDb.QueryDefs("qry Actual Production after Inj Start
Date")

MyQDef1.Parameters![Pattern Name] = PatternName

DoCmd.OpenQuery "qry Actual Production after Inj Start Date",
acViewNormal, acEdit

 

Chester Kaup

Engineering Technician

Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP 

Office (432) 688-3797

FAX (432) 688-3799

 

 

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Aug 17 16:36:29 2005
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 17:36:29 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Force Remote Shutdown Instantly! No timers (sort
	of)WAS:RE: [Ac cessD] How to Manage Maintenance Mode - Auto shutdown
In-Reply-To: <123701F54509D9119A4F00D0B747349016DD66@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <00f401c5a373$bf863f60$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

>You don't NEED to shut down a LOCAL machine's application REMOTELY! Eh?
LOL)

Just goes to show, you never know.  I have a server running an application.
I would be running this udp server exe on that server, and it would need to
shutdown that app.  But who's quibbling.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of DWUTKA at marlow.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 4:18 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Force Remote Shutdown Instantly! No timers (sort
of)WAS:RE: [Ac cessD] How to Manage Maintenance Mode - Auto shutdown


Okay, JC asked about using UDP in reverse.  Since I don't know how
experienced ya'all are with winsocks and TCP/IP communications, I decided to
whip something up.  http://www.marlow.com/RemoteShutdown.zip

Here's how this works.  Inside that zip you'll find an Access 2000 database
with one form and an AutoExec macro (sorry, not writing complete startup
code just for a sample).  The AutoExec opens frmUDPServer 'hidden'.  That
form just sits there, and does absolutely nothing, until UDP comms come into
port 9999.  When the comms come in, there are three options, it will either
directly shutdown (docmd.Quit), it will display itself and give the user 10
seconds to cancel the shutdown (that is why this uses a timer, the timer
event only starts running during the 'prompted shutdown'), or it will
display a message (msgbox).  Also, inside the zip, you'll fine
testclient.exe (along with the VB source code for that .exe).  When you run
that, you'll find that a textbox, listbox, and three command buttons.  

The three buttons do what they say.  Click Shutdown Clients, and ALL Access
sessions on your network, that have frmUDPServer running in the background
will close.  Click 'Ask To Shutdown', and ALL Access sessions with
frmUDPServer running in the background will now display frmUDPServer, and
give the user 10 seconds to cancel the shutdown.  Click 'Send Message To
Clients', and a msgbox will appear on all of the same machines with the text
of what is in the 'Data To Send' labeled textbox.

A few special items to note.  Pressing Any of the three buttons, while
running an Access .mdb with frmUDPServer on the same machine will result in
a 'Cannot use this if a server is running locally!' message, and nothing
will happen.  It's a limitation of UDP comms, but that DOES NOT limit this
application.  (You don't NEED to shut down a LOCAL machine's application
REMOTELY! Eh? LOL).  So if you want to test this, you will need two
machines, one to run the .mdb, and one to run the .exe.

Next note, this uses the winsock .ocx.  As I mentioned in a reply to JC
earlier, this could all be done with API's if so desired, but honestly, I
just don't have time to write this all out with API calls.

Next note, almost forgot the listbox.  When frmUDPServer gets a message from
the network, it sends back it's computer name.  So the listbox will populate
with all of the machines running frmUDPServer that have received a message
from the .exe through the network.

A note about subnets/lans/NICs.  If frmUDPServer is running on a machine
that has multiple NICs, it is going to receive a message for each NIC it
has.  This isn't a concern for the shutdown, and the prompted shutdown
(though the prompted shutdown will delay a little longer, because the first
hit will start it, and the second, third, fourth, etc hits will reset the
time on it....so the countdown won't really countdown until all of the hits
come in. (Unless your network is literally crawling, this will all take less
then a second....).  Sending messages, however, will popup on their machine
for each NIC they have (and on the listbox, you'll see that computername
show up for each message 'received'.

Last note, BE CAREFUL.  This is a SAMPLE project, and I personally wouldn't
use it in a live system as is.  (That is why I sent the VB source).
frmUDPServer has absolutely no safeguards in place.  It receives a
particular string, it stops Access.  I personally would recommend a little
tighter 'confirmation'.  For sample purposes, I'm simply sending out a
simple string 'ShutdownNow' (I think).  I would make that a little more
complex, so that you don't provide an easy method for a hacker to go around
shutting down your applications.

Enjoy!

Drew


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From karenr7 at oz.net  Wed Aug 17 16:45:11 2005
From: karenr7 at oz.net (Karen Rosenstiel)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 14:45:11 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] WIERD little problem
In-Reply-To: <855499653F55AD4190B242717DF132BC08317F@dewey.Symphony.local>
Message-ID: <200508172145.j7HLj9R02626@databaseadvisors.com>

You got it. I finally found it today and deleted the record. Voila!

Gawd, isn't Access fun....  :(

Regards,

Karen Rosenstiel
Seattle WA USA 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Liz Doering
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 6:45 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] WIERD little problem

Karen,

Have you checked the tables used in the report for a corrupt record?


Liz Doering
Symphony Information Services
liz at symphonyinfo.com
www.symphonyinfo.com


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Karen
Rosenstiel
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 5:31 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] WIERD little problem

I have a simple little scheduling database, front end and back end. I
tried
to print a report for tomorrow - a simple list - the database crashed.
For
some strange reason I cannot print the reports I need for tomorrow,
although
I could print reports for different dates - just not for tomorrow. It
closed
itself down and tried to compact itself and send a report to MS. 

At that point, I discovered that one of staff left open the front end
with a
little popup form from which you can view or print the reports wide
open. I
got her out of a meeting to shut down her open Access and then deleted
the
backup copies and the .ldb files. I could compact/repair the BE but not
the
FE. 

Has anybody had anything like this happen before? Any suggestions? I
need to
mention that I can't send the database to anybody for inspection because
of
confidentiality restrictions (I work in a jail health clinic).

Thanks in advance.

Regards,

Karen Rosenstiel
Seattle WA USA 


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From ssharkins at bellsouth.net  Wed Aug 17 16:50:09 2005
From: ssharkins at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 17:50:09 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] checkboxes aren't functioning
In-Reply-To: <005d01c5a370$885e8e50$fac581d5@pedro>
Message-ID: <20050817215006.BPBZ10832.ibm63aec.bellsouth.net@SUSANONE>

You said there's no code affecting the controls? Not just behind the control
itself, but nothing trying to alter it anywhere at all? 

This will happen in a continuous form if you change a format/property using
code, based on another value in the record. For instance, if you want to
enable/disable a checkbox based on the value in a text box -- in a
continuous form, such code would enable/disable all of the check box
controls, depending on the current record -- I think (without testing, but
pretty sure). 

Not in a continuous form? 

Susan H. 

Hello All who responded,

thanks for the advise, but al fieldproperties are ok.
The database worked fine, nothing changed, but the checkboxes stopped
working correctly.
The strange part is that for example in record 1 the checkboxes are working,
in record 2 they aren't and in record 3 they work again. I also heard today
that suddenly you can't make new records with this form. I heven't seen this
yet, but i will come back on this tommorrow.

Pedro Janssen



----- Original Message -----
From: "Stuart McLachlan" <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 4:10 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] checkboxes aren't functioning


> On 17 Aug 2005 at 8:51, John W. Colby wrote:
>
> > However what if it is bound to a non-boolean field.  For example it 
> > is
bound
> > to an integer, the integer can contain 0 and -1 (and null) so it 
> > looks
like
> > it works just fine.  But what happens if the field gets set to 
> > something other than null, 0 or -1?
> >
>
> 0 is false, anything else (other than Null) is "Not False" ie ticked.
>
>
>
> --
> Stuart
>
>
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Wed Aug 17 16:51:50 2005
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (DWUTKA at marlow.com)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 16:51:50 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Force Remote Shutdown Instantly! No timers (sort of
	)WAS:RE: [Ac cessD] How to Manage Maintenance Mode - Auto shutdown
Message-ID: <123701F54509D9119A4F00D0B747349016DD6D@main2.marlow.com>

Huh?  You have an application on a machine, let's call it 'ServerA'.  That
application is an .mdb, running in the Access environment, right?  And you
need a way to to that application off.....from ServerA?  Why not just turn
it off? 

Now, if you are running two processes, both on ServerA, and you want one
process to 'shutdown' the other, okay, that's easy, switch from UDP to TCP.
You can easily connect to an app on the same machine with TCP.  (The first
sample I posted today does that, if it determines the client is on the same
machine as the server). 

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 4:36 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Force Remote Shutdown Instantly! No timers (sort
of)WAS:RE: [Ac cessD] How to Manage Maintenance Mode - Auto shutdown


>You don't NEED to shut down a LOCAL machine's application REMOTELY! Eh?
LOL)

Just goes to show, you never know.  I have a server running an application.
I would be running this udp server exe on that server, and it would need to
shutdown that app.  But who's quibbling.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of DWUTKA at marlow.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 4:18 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Force Remote Shutdown Instantly! No timers (sort
of)WAS:RE: [Ac cessD] How to Manage Maintenance Mode - Auto shutdown


Okay, JC asked about using UDP in reverse.  Since I don't know how
experienced ya'all are with winsocks and TCP/IP communications, I decided to
whip something up.  http://www.marlow.com/RemoteShutdown.zip

Here's how this works.  Inside that zip you'll find an Access 2000 database
with one form and an AutoExec macro (sorry, not writing complete startup
code just for a sample).  The AutoExec opens frmUDPServer 'hidden'.  That
form just sits there, and does absolutely nothing, until UDP comms come into
port 9999.  When the comms come in, there are three options, it will either
directly shutdown (docmd.Quit), it will display itself and give the user 10
seconds to cancel the shutdown (that is why this uses a timer, the timer
event only starts running during the 'prompted shutdown'), or it will
display a message (msgbox).  Also, inside the zip, you'll fine
testclient.exe (along with the VB source code for that .exe).  When you run
that, you'll find that a textbox, listbox, and three command buttons.  

The three buttons do what they say.  Click Shutdown Clients, and ALL Access
sessions on your network, that have frmUDPServer running in the background
will close.  Click 'Ask To Shutdown', and ALL Access sessions with
frmUDPServer running in the background will now display frmUDPServer, and
give the user 10 seconds to cancel the shutdown.  Click 'Send Message To
Clients', and a msgbox will appear on all of the same machines with the text
of what is in the 'Data To Send' labeled textbox.

A few special items to note.  Pressing Any of the three buttons, while
running an Access .mdb with frmUDPServer on the same machine will result in
a 'Cannot use this if a server is running locally!' message, and nothing
will happen.  It's a limitation of UDP comms, but that DOES NOT limit this
application.  (You don't NEED to shut down a LOCAL machine's application
REMOTELY! Eh? LOL).  So if you want to test this, you will need two
machines, one to run the .mdb, and one to run the .exe.

Next note, this uses the winsock .ocx.  As I mentioned in a reply to JC
earlier, this could all be done with API's if so desired, but honestly, I
just don't have time to write this all out with API calls.

Next note, almost forgot the listbox.  When frmUDPServer gets a message from
the network, it sends back it's computer name.  So the listbox will populate
with all of the machines running frmUDPServer that have received a message
from the .exe through the network.

A note about subnets/lans/NICs.  If frmUDPServer is running on a machine
that has multiple NICs, it is going to receive a message for each NIC it
has.  This isn't a concern for the shutdown, and the prompted shutdown
(though the prompted shutdown will delay a little longer, because the first
hit will start it, and the second, third, fourth, etc hits will reset the
time on it....so the countdown won't really countdown until all of the hits
come in. (Unless your network is literally crawling, this will all take less
then a second....).  Sending messages, however, will popup on their machine
for each NIC they have (and on the listbox, you'll see that computername
show up for each message 'received'.

Last note, BE CAREFUL.  This is a SAMPLE project, and I personally wouldn't
use it in a live system as is.  (That is why I sent the VB source).
frmUDPServer has absolutely no safeguards in place.  It receives a
particular string, it stops Access.  I personally would recommend a little
tighter 'confirmation'.  For sample purposes, I'm simply sending out a
simple string 'ShutdownNow' (I think).  I would make that a little more
complex, so that you don't provide an easy method for a hacker to go around
shutting down your applications.

Enjoy!

Drew


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From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Aug 17 17:18:56 2005
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 15:18:56 -0700
Subject: OT  [AccessD] Ajax and Atlas with XML
In-Reply-To: <4302C43E.3030505@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <0ILE00K170NKCI@l-daemon>

Hi Marty:

I was just joking about the Hamsters... but my god it is still around.
Created a row of cows doing the can-can for the late dairy named 'Royal Oak'
(you will remember as you are from here). I do not have it anymore so you
are all safe.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 10:00 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ajax and Atlas with XML

I realize Victoria is little out date but this is archived from the net 
10 years ago,
It is now considered a net classic. The Original Hampster Dance
Dance the night away!

http://www.hamsterdance.com/classorig.html

Haven't looked at .net variation but probably the same basic theme and 
methods with a bit more class.

Jim Lawrence wrote:

>Marty what do you mean 'No dancing Hamster'! :-(
>
>What is your opinion on the AJAX.Net variation on AJAX which seems to be
the
>hottest ticket?
>
>Jim
>



From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Aug 17 17:43:44 2005
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 15:43:44 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas
In-Reply-To: <BAYC1-PASMTP0451A165E5BF55E049596CAEB30@cez.ice>
Message-ID: <0ILE00KAD1SV52@l-daemon>

That I might be able to get on board with.... Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bryan Carbonnell
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 6:30 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas

On 16 Aug 2005 at 16:45, David Mcafee wrote:

> Speaking of which, isn't it that time again?

Yep. I think so. The last one, IIRC, was at Lembit's place in Germany 
last summer.

I think we need one in Canada this time. Somewhere in Southern 
Ontario is my suggestion :)

-- 
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca
I've learned.... 
That the less time I have to work with, the more things I get done.




From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Aug 17 17:56:05 2005
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 18:56:05 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Force Remote Shutdown Instantly! No timers (sort
	of)WAS:RE: [Ac cessD] How to Manage Maintenance Mode - Auto shutdown
In-Reply-To: <123701F54509D9119A4F00D0B747349016DD6D@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <00f501c5a37e$d9088c30$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

>Why not just turn it off? 

Because it is an unattended server.  The server is a file server serving the
BE to the main application running on workstations.  The server also runs an
application that sends documents to my client's client via email.  At
specific times of day the application runs a process to send out the email
with a report attached.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of DWUTKA at marlow.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 5:52 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Force Remote Shutdown Instantly! No timers (sort
of)WAS:RE: [Ac cessD] How to Manage Maintenance Mode - Auto shutdown


Huh?  You have an application on a machine, let's call it 'ServerA'.  That
application is an .mdb, running in the Access environment, right?  And you
need a way to to that application off.....from ServerA?  Why not just turn
it off? 

Now, if you are running two processes, both on ServerA, and you want one
process to 'shutdown' the other, okay, that's easy, switch from UDP to TCP.
You can easily connect to an app on the same machine with TCP.  (The first
sample I posted today does that, if it determines the client is on the same
machine as the server). 

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 4:36 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Force Remote Shutdown Instantly! No timers (sort
of)WAS:RE: [Ac cessD] How to Manage Maintenance Mode - Auto shutdown


>You don't NEED to shut down a LOCAL machine's application REMOTELY! Eh?
LOL)

Just goes to show, you never know.  I have a server running an application.
I would be running this udp server exe on that server, and it would need to
shutdown that app.  But who's quibbling.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of DWUTKA at marlow.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 4:18 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Force Remote Shutdown Instantly! No timers (sort
of)WAS:RE: [Ac cessD] How to Manage Maintenance Mode - Auto shutdown


Okay, JC asked about using UDP in reverse.  Since I don't know how
experienced ya'all are with winsocks and TCP/IP communications, I decided to
whip something up.  http://www.marlow.com/RemoteShutdown.zip

Here's how this works.  Inside that zip you'll find an Access 2000 database
with one form and an AutoExec macro (sorry, not writing complete startup
code just for a sample).  The AutoExec opens frmUDPServer 'hidden'.  That
form just sits there, and does absolutely nothing, until UDP comms come into
port 9999.  When the comms come in, there are three options, it will either
directly shutdown (docmd.Quit), it will display itself and give the user 10
seconds to cancel the shutdown (that is why this uses a timer, the timer
event only starts running during the 'prompted shutdown'), or it will
display a message (msgbox).  Also, inside the zip, you'll fine
testclient.exe (along with the VB source code for that .exe).  When you run
that, you'll find that a textbox, listbox, and three command buttons.  

The three buttons do what they say.  Click Shutdown Clients, and ALL Access
sessions on your network, that have frmUDPServer running in the background
will close.  Click 'Ask To Shutdown', and ALL Access sessions with
frmUDPServer running in the background will now display frmUDPServer, and
give the user 10 seconds to cancel the shutdown.  Click 'Send Message To
Clients', and a msgbox will appear on all of the same machines with the text
of what is in the 'Data To Send' labeled textbox.

A few special items to note.  Pressing Any of the three buttons, while
running an Access .mdb with frmUDPServer on the same machine will result in
a 'Cannot use this if a server is running locally!' message, and nothing
will happen.  It's a limitation of UDP comms, but that DOES NOT limit this
application.  (You don't NEED to shut down a LOCAL machine's application
REMOTELY! Eh? LOL).  So if you want to test this, you will need two
machines, one to run the .mdb, and one to run the .exe.

Next note, this uses the winsock .ocx.  As I mentioned in a reply to JC
earlier, this could all be done with API's if so desired, but honestly, I
just don't have time to write this all out with API calls.

Next note, almost forgot the listbox.  When frmUDPServer gets a message from
the network, it sends back it's computer name.  So the listbox will populate
with all of the machines running frmUDPServer that have received a message
from the .exe through the network.

A note about subnets/lans/NICs.  If frmUDPServer is running on a machine
that has multiple NICs, it is going to receive a message for each NIC it
has.  This isn't a concern for the shutdown, and the prompted shutdown
(though the prompted shutdown will delay a little longer, because the first
hit will start it, and the second, third, fourth, etc hits will reset the
time on it....so the countdown won't really countdown until all of the hits
come in. (Unless your network is literally crawling, this will all take less
then a second....).  Sending messages, however, will popup on their machine
for each NIC they have (and on the listbox, you'll see that computername
show up for each message 'received'.

Last note, BE CAREFUL.  This is a SAMPLE project, and I personally wouldn't
use it in a live system as is.  (That is why I sent the VB source).
frmUDPServer has absolutely no safeguards in place.  It receives a
particular string, it stops Access.  I personally would recommend a little
tighter 'confirmation'.  For sample purposes, I'm simply sending out a
simple string 'ShutdownNow' (I think).  I would make that a little more
complex, so that you don't provide an easy method for a hacker to go around
shutting down your applications.

Enjoy!

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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Wed Aug 17 18:13:50 2005
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (DWUTKA at marlow.com)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 18:13:50 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Force Remote Shutdown Instantly! No timers (sort of
	)WAS:RE: [Ac cessD] How to Manage Maintenance Mode - Auto shutdown
Message-ID: <123701F54509D9119A4F00D0B747349016DD71@main2.marlow.com>

Okay, and what is it that you want to shutdown?

I'm a little confused.  If the backend is an .mdb, there is nothing to shut
off, it's a file share, not a service.  The workstations running off of that
backend (with their frontends) could be shutdown with the sample I posted.
The application that sends emails, which is running on the server (and I'll
assume it's an Access application being fired off by the scheduler service),
that sounds like it's a start, run, stop process.  If you need to interupt
it, (not sure how long it takes to run), but you could use the TCP protocol
approach, if it needs to be interrupted from another application (but you
haven't listed another application....so far it's only the report/email
application...the .mdb itself is not a 'running' application.

Now, if you want to have the application on the server (which runs and
emails the reports) to have the ability of shutting down the client front
ends on the network workstations, then just port the VB .exe I posted into
it, so that IT sends out the message for the clients to shut down.

That portion CAN run from a machine running anything you want.  The clash is
in the UDP protocol, since it is connectionless, it has to have both the
local and remote ports set, so you can't have two applications (the .exe and
an .mdb) running the same ports on the same machine, they will clash!  

Drew

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Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 5:56 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Force Remote Shutdown Instantly! No timers (sort
of)WAS:RE: [Ac cessD] How to Manage Maintenance Mode - Auto shutdown


>Why not just turn it off? 

Because it is an unattended server.  The server is a file server serving the
BE to the main application running on workstations.  The server also runs an
application that sends documents to my client's client via email.  At
specific times of day the application runs a process to send out the email
with a report attached.

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Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 5:52 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Force Remote Shutdown Instantly! No timers (sort
of)WAS:RE: [Ac cessD] How to Manage Maintenance Mode - Auto shutdown


Huh?  You have an application on a machine, let's call it 'ServerA'.  That
application is an .mdb, running in the Access environment, right?  And you
need a way to to that application off.....from ServerA?  Why not just turn
it off? 

Now, if you are running two processes, both on ServerA, and you want one
process to 'shutdown' the other, okay, that's easy, switch from UDP to TCP.
You can easily connect to an app on the same machine with TCP.  (The first
sample I posted today does that, if it determines the client is on the same
machine as the server). 

Drew

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Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 4:36 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Force Remote Shutdown Instantly! No timers (sort
of)WAS:RE: [Ac cessD] How to Manage Maintenance Mode - Auto shutdown


>You don't NEED to shut down a LOCAL machine's application REMOTELY! Eh?
LOL)

Just goes to show, you never know.  I have a server running an application.
I would be running this udp server exe on that server, and it would need to
shutdown that app.  But who's quibbling.

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Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 4:18 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Force Remote Shutdown Instantly! No timers (sort
of)WAS:RE: [Ac cessD] How to Manage Maintenance Mode - Auto shutdown


Okay, JC asked about using UDP in reverse.  Since I don't know how
experienced ya'all are with winsocks and TCP/IP communications, I decided to
whip something up.  http://www.marlow.com/RemoteShutdown.zip

Here's how this works.  Inside that zip you'll find an Access 2000 database
with one form and an AutoExec macro (sorry, not writing complete startup
code just for a sample).  The AutoExec opens frmUDPServer 'hidden'.  That
form just sits there, and does absolutely nothing, until UDP comms come into
port 9999.  When the comms come in, there are three options, it will either
directly shutdown (docmd.Quit), it will display itself and give the user 10
seconds to cancel the shutdown (that is why this uses a timer, the timer
event only starts running during the 'prompted shutdown'), or it will
display a message (msgbox).  Also, inside the zip, you'll fine
testclient.exe (along with the VB source code for that .exe).  When you run
that, you'll find that a textbox, listbox, and three command buttons.  

The three buttons do what they say.  Click Shutdown Clients, and ALL Access
sessions on your network, that have frmUDPServer running in the background
will close.  Click 'Ask To Shutdown', and ALL Access sessions with
frmUDPServer running in the background will now display frmUDPServer, and
give the user 10 seconds to cancel the shutdown.  Click 'Send Message To
Clients', and a msgbox will appear on all of the same machines with the text
of what is in the 'Data To Send' labeled textbox.

A few special items to note.  Pressing Any of the three buttons, while
running an Access .mdb with frmUDPServer on the same machine will result in
a 'Cannot use this if a server is running locally!' message, and nothing
will happen.  It's a limitation of UDP comms, but that DOES NOT limit this
application.  (You don't NEED to shut down a LOCAL machine's application
REMOTELY! Eh? LOL).  So if you want to test this, you will need two
machines, one to run the .mdb, and one to run the .exe.

Next note, this uses the winsock .ocx.  As I mentioned in a reply to JC
earlier, this could all be done with API's if so desired, but honestly, I
just don't have time to write this all out with API calls.

Next note, almost forgot the listbox.  When frmUDPServer gets a message from
the network, it sends back it's computer name.  So the listbox will populate
with all of the machines running frmUDPServer that have received a message
from the .exe through the network.

A note about subnets/lans/NICs.  If frmUDPServer is running on a machine
that has multiple NICs, it is going to receive a message for each NIC it
has.  This isn't a concern for the shutdown, and the prompted shutdown
(though the prompted shutdown will delay a little longer, because the first
hit will start it, and the second, third, fourth, etc hits will reset the
time on it....so the countdown won't really countdown until all of the hits
come in. (Unless your network is literally crawling, this will all take less
then a second....).  Sending messages, however, will popup on their machine
for each NIC they have (and on the listbox, you'll see that computername
show up for each message 'received'.

Last note, BE CAREFUL.  This is a SAMPLE project, and I personally wouldn't
use it in a live system as is.  (That is why I sent the VB source).
frmUDPServer has absolutely no safeguards in place.  It receives a
particular string, it stops Access.  I personally would recommend a little
tighter 'confirmation'.  For sample purposes, I'm simply sending out a
simple string 'ShutdownNow' (I think).  I would make that a little more
complex, so that you don't provide an easy method for a hacker to go around
shutting down your applications.

Enjoy!

Drew


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From shamil at users.mns.ru  Wed Aug 17 18:28:31 2005
From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 03:28:31 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
Message-ID: <004b01c5a383$7bdab060$6401a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru>

Hi All,

I wanted to ask you - what about the subject?
Anybody uses/interested to use MS Access client applications this way?

Do I miss obvious (RTFM) stuff and such a disconnected mode is already
implemented in MS Access and broadly used by MS Access developers? Yes, I
know ADO recordsets can be used with bound MS Access forms etc. but this
looks like a rather limited feature - am I wrong?

What I mean is cashing data locally into mdbs, only the data needed for the
currently open form(s) etc., processing this data and then updating backend
database(mdb, MSDE, MS SQL, whatever...) - with all this cashing and
updating made mostly automatically by a tiny framework code, based on
ADO.NET...(yes, this local caching of data is not a new subject but nowadays
it can be (re-)implement really scalable way with a way less efforts than
before)

Maybe MS plans to do something like that?

Is that a wheel reinvention or anybody here sees such opportunity like a
really useful feature in their real life projects?

For me it looks like a useful feature because it could help: to get MS
Access back into mainstream development area because it will allow to easily
scale applications with MS Access front-ends...

There are many other ideas but most of them in this "ideas pool" based on
the subject one - if it doesn't make sense for real-life projects then I'd
better stop working on it...

What is your opinion about the subject?
When you expect MS will do something like that in MS Access?

Thank you,
Shamil



From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Aug 17 18:17:05 2005
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 16:17:05 -0700
Subject: OT  [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas
In-Reply-To: <00bb01c5a346$6b965660$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <0ILE00K6S3CH4O@l-daemon>

John: 

It is on record now and will never be forgotten. Even M$ is moving all their
data processing to the disconnected data model. Mind you the locally held
data can be manipulated and bound but a reconnection must be made be the
source data can be updated.

Jim 

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 9:12 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas

LOL.  Nope, typo.  <hides head in shame>

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of DWUTKA at marlow.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 11:08 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas


Since when did you become an unbounder?  I'm a little shocked at that.  I
guess you finally came across to the dark side! ;)

Drew

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From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 5:27 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas


>so the occasional bound/unbound, natural/surrogate key, and naming
convention argument are simply a way of maintaining our individuality in the
world of massive neuron flux.  ;)

No, unbound forms and surrogate keys are just superior.  ;-0  And of course
anyone who doesn't use a naming convention, specifically MY naming
convention is... a dolt.  <grin>

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Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 5:37 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas


<grin>, I was hoping you were going to get a good chuckle out of that.
Personally, I think that is one of the main factors why this list puts out
good tips, and is so helpful to people.  It's the 'chest pounding' factor.
Whether we want to admit it or not, we'll fall all over each other trying to
help someone because we want to show off a bit.  This is one of the rare
parts of our lives where people actually CAN appreciate how brilliant we all
our.... ;)

I tried explaining a process I was working on involving custom events and
classes to a fellow computer geek, and I got the glassy eyed look of
complete confusion.  

So to everyone on the list, we're all geniuses....so pat someone on the back
when you can, and get ready to be patted yourself.  Yes, to the rest of the
world we're a bunch of 'nerds', but wear that label with pride. (a few
tattoos and a decent weight training program will keep most of the 'nerd'
remarks in check....) ;)

Just keep in mind that while we all like to impress with our ideas, genius
comes with a lot of prejudice, so the occasional bound/unbound,
natural/surrogate key, and naming convention argument are simply a way of
maintaining our individuality in the world of massive neuron flux.  ;)

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 4:26 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas


ROTFLMAO.

John W. Colby
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Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 4:00 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas


That's easy, and requires no code or special hardware.  Just call up JC, and
tell him that you don't think his framework would hand XYZ...and let him
prove you wrong.  When he has given you proof, thank him, tell him he's
stellar, and a god among mortals, and walk away with completed JC Classes.

<grin>

Of course, the same method will work on me too....

Drew

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Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 2:45 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas


Voice command app that would automatically write John Colby Classes and code
for you.

Joe Hecht
Los Angeles CA

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From dejpolsys at hotmail.com  Wed Aug 17 18:47:19 2005
From: dejpolsys at hotmail.com (William Hindman)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 19:47:19 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
References: <004b01c5a383$7bdab060$6401a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru>
Message-ID: <BAY103-DAV16092568B71CAA8F1065C4AEB30@phx.gbl>

Shamil

..I must be missing something ...that sounds like replication to me.

William

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil at users.mns.ru>
To: "!DBA-MAIN" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 7:28 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..


> Hi All,
>
> I wanted to ask you - what about the subject?
> Anybody uses/interested to use MS Access client applications this way?
>
> Do I miss obvious (RTFM) stuff and such a disconnected mode is already
> implemented in MS Access and broadly used by MS Access developers? Yes, I
> know ADO recordsets can be used with bound MS Access forms etc. but this
> looks like a rather limited feature - am I wrong?
>
> What I mean is cashing data locally into mdbs, only the data needed for 
> the
> currently open form(s) etc., processing this data and then updating 
> backend
> database(mdb, MSDE, MS SQL, whatever...) - with all this cashing and
> updating made mostly automatically by a tiny framework code, based on
> ADO.NET...(yes, this local caching of data is not a new subject but 
> nowadays
> it can be (re-)implement really scalable way with a way less efforts than
> before)
>
> Maybe MS plans to do something like that?
>
> Is that a wheel reinvention or anybody here sees such opportunity like a
> really useful feature in their real life projects?
>
> For me it looks like a useful feature because it could help: to get MS
> Access back into mainstream development area because it will allow to 
> easily
> scale applications with MS Access front-ends...
>
> There are many other ideas but most of them in this "ideas pool" based on
> the subject one - if it doesn't make sense for real-life projects then I'd
> better stop working on it...
>
> What is your opinion about the subject?
> When you expect MS will do something like that in MS Access?
>
> Thank you,
> Shamil
>
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Aug 17 18:47:33 2005
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 19:47:33 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Force Remote Shutdown Instantly! No timers (sort
	of)WAS:RE: [Ac cessD] How to Manage Maintenance Mode - Auto shutdown
In-Reply-To: <123701F54509D9119A4F00D0B747349016DD71@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <00f601c5a386$0cafa530$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

I have workstations running an application (call center for AIG Insurance
company - Disability claims division) that hit the BE on the server.  

I have an entirely different application (email reporting FE, reports new
claims and authorizations to pay claims back to AIG Insurance company)
running only on the server that hits the be on the server.  It is NOT being
fired off by the Windows scheduler, it runs 24/7 and has it's own logic to
decide when reports need to go.  

In fact that same application also RECEIVES emails from AIG Insurance
company which contain Excel attachments containing payment information.
These emails cause an outlook object to fire events that are sunk in one of
my classes, which then process the emails.  These payment files get stripped
off the email, placed into directories on the server, linked to the Email
Reporting FE, and subsequently appended into tables in the same BE that the
call center software is hitting.  This payment info is then available to the
call center personnel when the person filing a claim calls and asks "where's
my check".

Everything hitting the BE on the server needs to shut down when I ask it to.
I do NOT want MY application running on the server to shut down the
workstations, I want your EXE (SOME APPLICATION) (running on the server)
that shuts down the workstation Fes to also shut down the Server Email
Reporting FE.


Three things running.  Call Center Fes on workstations (often left on
overnight).  Email Reporting application.  Payment Import application.

ALL this stuff needs to shut down when I need access to the BE.

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Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 7:14 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Force Remote Shutdown Instantly! No timers (sort
of)WAS:RE: [Ac cessD] How to Manage Maintenance Mode - Auto shutdown


Okay, and what is it that you want to shutdown?

I'm a little confused.  If the backend is an .mdb, there is nothing to shut
off, it's a file share, not a service.  The workstations running off of that
backend (with their frontends) could be shutdown with the sample I posted.
The application that sends emails, which is running on the server (and I'll
assume it's an Access application being fired off by the scheduler service),
that sounds like it's a start, run, stop process.  If you need to interupt
it, (not sure how long it takes to run), but you could use the TCP protocol
approach, if it needs to be interrupted from another application (but you
haven't listed another application....so far it's only the report/email
application...the .mdb itself is not a 'running' application.

Now, if you want to have the application on the server (which runs and
emails the reports) to have the ability of shutting down the client front
ends on the network workstations, then just port the VB .exe I posted into
it, so that IT sends out the message for the clients to shut down.

That portion CAN run from a machine running anything you want.  The clash is
in the UDP protocol, since it is connectionless, it has to have both the
local and remote ports set, so you can't have two applications (the .exe and
an .mdb) running the same ports on the same machine, they will clash!  

Drew

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Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 5:56 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Force Remote Shutdown Instantly! No timers (sort
of)WAS:RE: [Ac cessD] How to Manage Maintenance Mode - Auto shutdown


>Why not just turn it off?

Because it is an unattended server.  The server is a file server serving the
BE to the main application running on workstations.  The server also runs an
application that sends documents to my client's client via email.  At
specific times of day the application runs a process to send out the email
with a report attached.

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Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 5:52 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Force Remote Shutdown Instantly! No timers (sort
of)WAS:RE: [Ac cessD] How to Manage Maintenance Mode - Auto shutdown


Huh?  You have an application on a machine, let's call it 'ServerA'.  That
application is an .mdb, running in the Access environment, right?  And you
need a way to to that application off.....from ServerA?  Why not just turn
it off? 

Now, if you are running two processes, both on ServerA, and you want one
process to 'shutdown' the other, okay, that's easy, switch from UDP to TCP.
You can easily connect to an app on the same machine with TCP.  (The first
sample I posted today does that, if it determines the client is on the same
machine as the server). 

Drew

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Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 4:36 PM
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>You don't NEED to shut down a LOCAL machine's application REMOTELY! Eh?
LOL)

Just goes to show, you never know.  I have a server running an application.
I would be running this udp server exe on that server, and it would need to
shutdown that app.  But who's quibbling.

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Subject: [AccessD] Force Remote Shutdown Instantly! No timers (sort
of)WAS:RE: [Ac cessD] How to Manage Maintenance Mode - Auto shutdown


Okay, JC asked about using UDP in reverse.  Since I don't know how
experienced ya'all are with winsocks and TCP/IP communications, I decided to
whip something up.  http://www.marlow.com/RemoteShutdown.zip

Here's how this works.  Inside that zip you'll find an Access 2000 database
with one form and an AutoExec macro (sorry, not writing complete startup
code just for a sample).  The AutoExec opens frmUDPServer 'hidden'.  That
form just sits there, and does absolutely nothing, until UDP comms come into
port 9999.  When the comms come in, there are three options, it will either
directly shutdown (docmd.Quit), it will display itself and give the user 10
seconds to cancel the shutdown (that is why this uses a timer, the timer
event only starts running during the 'prompted shutdown'), or it will
display a message (msgbox).  Also, inside the zip, you'll fine
testclient.exe (along with the VB source code for that .exe).  When you run
that, you'll find that a textbox, listbox, and three command buttons.  

The three buttons do what they say.  Click Shutdown Clients, and ALL Access
sessions on your network, that have frmUDPServer running in the background
will close.  Click 'Ask To Shutdown', and ALL Access sessions with
frmUDPServer running in the background will now display frmUDPServer, and
give the user 10 seconds to cancel the shutdown.  Click 'Send Message To
Clients', and a msgbox will appear on all of the same machines with the text
of what is in the 'Data To Send' labeled textbox.

A few special items to note.  Pressing Any of the three buttons, while
running an Access .mdb with frmUDPServer on the same machine will result in
a 'Cannot use this if a server is running locally!' message, and nothing
will happen.  It's a limitation of UDP comms, but that DOES NOT limit this
application.  (You don't NEED to shut down a LOCAL machine's application
REMOTELY! Eh? LOL).  So if you want to test this, you will need two
machines, one to run the .mdb, and one to run the .exe.

Next note, this uses the winsock .ocx.  As I mentioned in a reply to JC
earlier, this could all be done with API's if so desired, but honestly, I
just don't have time to write this all out with API calls.

Next note, almost forgot the listbox.  When frmUDPServer gets a message from
the network, it sends back it's computer name.  So the listbox will populate
with all of the machines running frmUDPServer that have received a message
from the .exe through the network.

A note about subnets/lans/NICs.  If frmUDPServer is running on a machine
that has multiple NICs, it is going to receive a message for each NIC it
has.  This isn't a concern for the shutdown, and the prompted shutdown
(though the prompted shutdown will delay a little longer, because the first
hit will start it, and the second, third, fourth, etc hits will reset the
time on it....so the countdown won't really countdown until all of the hits
come in. (Unless your network is literally crawling, this will all take less
then a second....).  Sending messages, however, will popup on their machine
for each NIC they have (and on the listbox, you'll see that computername
show up for each message 'received'.

Last note, BE CAREFUL.  This is a SAMPLE project, and I personally wouldn't
use it in a live system as is.  (That is why I sent the VB source).
frmUDPServer has absolutely no safeguards in place.  It receives a
particular string, it stops Access.  I personally would recommend a little
tighter 'confirmation'.  For sample purposes, I'm simply sending out a
simple string 'ShutdownNow' (I think).  I would make that a little more
complex, so that you don't provide an easy method for a hacker to go around
shutting down your applications.

Enjoy!

Drew


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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Aug 17 18:50:24 2005
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 19:50:24 -0400
Subject: OT  [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas
In-Reply-To: <0ILE00K6S3CH4O@l-daemon>
Message-ID: <00f701c5a386$6ff96e50$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

Yea, yea, yea.  I know all about it.  And of course it all makes sense when
the data is going out over the internet, but when there are a small number
of workstations on a LAN the argument is much less compelling.  And IF you
are going to do unbound stuff then Access may no longer be the optimum dev
environment.

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Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 7:17 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: OT [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas


John: 

It is on record now and will never be forgotten. Even M$ is moving all their
data processing to the disconnected data model. Mind you the locally held
data can be manipulated and bound but a reconnection must be made be the
source data can be updated.

Jim 

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Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 9:12 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas

LOL.  Nope, typo.  <hides head in shame>

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of DWUTKA at marlow.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 11:08 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas


Since when did you become an unbounder?  I'm a little shocked at that.  I
guess you finally came across to the dark side! ;)

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 5:27 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas


>so the occasional bound/unbound, natural/surrogate key, and naming
convention argument are simply a way of maintaining our individuality in the
world of massive neuron flux.  ;)

No, unbound forms and surrogate keys are just superior.  ;-0  And of course
anyone who doesn't use a naming convention, specifically MY naming
convention is... a dolt.  <grin>

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Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 5:37 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas


<grin>, I was hoping you were going to get a good chuckle out of that.
Personally, I think that is one of the main factors why this list puts out
good tips, and is so helpful to people.  It's the 'chest pounding' factor.
Whether we want to admit it or not, we'll fall all over each other trying to
help someone because we want to show off a bit.  This is one of the rare
parts of our lives where people actually CAN appreciate how brilliant we all
our.... ;)

I tried explaining a process I was working on involving custom events and
classes to a fellow computer geek, and I got the glassy eyed look of
complete confusion.  

So to everyone on the list, we're all geniuses....so pat someone on the back
when you can, and get ready to be patted yourself.  Yes, to the rest of the
world we're a bunch of 'nerds', but wear that label with pride. (a few
tattoos and a decent weight training program will keep most of the 'nerd'
remarks in check....) ;)

Just keep in mind that while we all like to impress with our ideas, genius
comes with a lot of prejudice, so the occasional bound/unbound,
natural/surrogate key, and naming convention argument are simply a way of
maintaining our individuality in the world of massive neuron flux.  ;)

Drew

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Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 4:26 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas


ROTFLMAO.

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Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 4:00 PM
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That's easy, and requires no code or special hardware.  Just call up JC, and
tell him that you don't think his framework would hand XYZ...and let him
prove you wrong.  When he has given you proof, thank him, tell him he's
stellar, and a god among mortals, and walk away with completed JC Classes.

<grin>

Of course, the same method will work on me too....

Drew

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Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 2:45 PM
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Voice command app that would automatically write John Colby Classes and code
for you.

Joe Hecht
Los Angeles CA

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Aug 17 19:02:34 2005
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 17:02:34 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas
In-Reply-To: <BAYC1-PASMTP049C386FD99FE32728FACCAEB30@cez.ice>
Message-ID: <0ILE00H5K5GAOO@l-daemon>

Hi Bryan:

I am just throwing out ideas. Any database designs and management is
directly translatable to MS SQL so that is no problem. (Check-out
DBDesigner, an open source visual DB tool.) Connecting remotely to an
operation MS SQL server is no problem and there is even a free EM that can
run on any PC. If you are interested I can always send along a link.
(I could be talked into helping or prototyping just not initiating at this
moment.)

Where is your back-door when you need it. :-(

I think someone else mentioned an expedition gathering great code samples
and solutions from our huge DBA lists. There are some real gems in there and
they could go into creating an unrivalled Access library.  
 
(We might be able to trade Linux help for MS SQL help... off-line as I have
just setup a Linux station and am current finding some simple issues that
take days.)

Jim
 
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Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 6:15 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas

On 15 Aug 2005 at 19:34, Jim Lawrence wrote:

> Our web site needs a lot of work to move to the next level.
> 
> A few simple things that would require a bit of research... 
> 
> 1. Create the definitive link list for the site. You know most of the
> sites from but there are a few out there that are not obvious but
> definitely should be counted... like 'http://www.colbyconsulting.com/'
> or 'http://www.rogersaccesslibrary.com' or
> 'http://www.mvps.org/access/' and many more. It would be great to be
> able to create the ultimate Access research page. 

You just listed the only sites I use for Access stuff. :)

I do have a series of links in my favourites at work that I can't get 
access to at the moment :( Ya just gotta love union negotiations that 
end in lockouts instead of a new contract :(

> 2. Putting some of the great comments and code snippets into either a
> gazette or new article for upcoming issues(s).

Hmmmm, this could be an interesting challenge

> 3 List member advertisement pages stores on a MS SQL DB. This is not
> confirmed by the executive yet but I believe it makes sense. We should
> be supporting our list members' accomplishment like their books,
> articles, programs or even design and support companies. We are a way
> from implementing this but the format, design, and coding can be
> started as it will be a lengthy development from creation to
> implementation.

The problem is that I don't know anything about MS SQL of interfacing 
in with the web. Nor do I have access to a box with MS SQL and IIS.

> 4. There is of course .Net... and XML/HXML/AJAX... where much of
> Access development is heading/expanding. It is a truly distributive
> application development platform and the performance is really awesome
> when using ASP.Net client side is coupled with ADO.Net... 'a thousand
> users are serviced as fast as one' (Not mine but a quote from a
> book.). Should we be looking seriously at this? Articles, new lists,
> roll our own? 

Too many acronymns :) Seriously, I think it would be just a bit too 
much for me to learn all at once right now.

> These are just a few of the web site work that is waiting to be
> started and implemented.  

There are some good ideas there Jim. I may plug away at some of them.

> Our current web site owners are having some problems getting our MS
> SQL server up and running again but we will be getting MS SQL support
> one way or the other. So you can work/plan for/with a MS SQL set of
> option/solutions.

See above :(

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Aug 17 19:00:08 2005
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 17:00:08 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
In-Reply-To: <004b01c5a383$7bdab060$6401a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru>
Message-ID: <0ILE00F3C5C7HZ@l-daemon>

Hi Shamil:

I have only (mostly) been using a style of disconnected ADO recordsets with
Access since 97-98. I use an Access FE for all sorts of DBs like Oracle/MS
SQL, MySQL* (*though it needs an ODBC connection :-( ) and even MDB (but
mostly just for temp files), singularly or in groups. The process is just so
fast, attaches through any reasonable connection and requires very few BE DB
licenses... clients save a bundle. I think ADO.Net is the same thing but
with an automatic transmission and slick features. It should eliminate a lot
of coding. M$ has finally, fully embraced this concept and I feel that is
where the next versions of Access are going.

This is all my opinion of course and not meant to insight a riot.  

Jim

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
Salakhetdinov
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 4:29 PM
To: !DBA-MAIN
Subject: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..

Hi All,

I wanted to ask you - what about the subject?
Anybody uses/interested to use MS Access client applications this way?

Do I miss obvious (RTFM) stuff and such a disconnected mode is already
implemented in MS Access and broadly used by MS Access developers? Yes, I
know ADO recordsets can be used with bound MS Access forms etc. but this
looks like a rather limited feature - am I wrong?

What I mean is cashing data locally into mdbs, only the data needed for the
currently open form(s) etc., processing this data and then updating backend
database(mdb, MSDE, MS SQL, whatever...) - with all this cashing and
updating made mostly automatically by a tiny framework code, based on
ADO.NET...(yes, this local caching of data is not a new subject but nowadays
it can be (re-)implement really scalable way with a way less efforts than
before)

Maybe MS plans to do something like that?

Is that a wheel reinvention or anybody here sees such opportunity like a
really useful feature in their real life projects?

For me it looks like a useful feature because it could help: to get MS
Access back into mainstream development area because it will allow to easily
scale applications with MS Access front-ends...

There are many other ideas but most of them in this "ideas pool" based on
the subject one - if it doesn't make sense for real-life projects then I'd
better stop working on it...

What is your opinion about the subject?
When you expect MS will do something like that in MS Access?

Thank you,
Shamil

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed Aug 17 19:42:56 2005
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 17:42:56 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8689A806@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Shamil,

It looks to me like that is where MS is going with .Net, so it would be
logical to take Access in that direction as well ... If they would only
consider it a development tool instead of a power user toy.  I've
certainly built applications in the past using that concept with ADO and
unbound forms. (Hush, John, I don't want to hear about it!<g>)  I think
we often fall back to the built in stuff because it is quick and easy,
even though it is not necessarily efficient.  MS is moving toward XML as
their datastore of choice for this kind of caching, and it certainly
works and has been fairly easy to implement since at least Access 2000.
I would expect the capability to be expanded in the next version of
Access when it starts to catch up with Word and Excel, but that's just a
SWAG based on working extensively with VB.Net and speculating.  Given
that the next version of Access may not be available for a year or so
and is bound to have problems at first, I think something that could be
used now and with versions earlier than 2003 (which has its own
problems!) is entirely sensible.

Charlotte Foust


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From: Shamil Salakhetdinov [mailto:shamil at users.mns.ru] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 4:29 PM
To: !DBA-MAIN
Subject: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..


Hi All,

I wanted to ask you - what about the subject?
Anybody uses/interested to use MS Access client applications this way?

Do I miss obvious (RTFM) stuff and such a disconnected mode is already
implemented in MS Access and broadly used by MS Access developers? Yes,
I know ADO recordsets can be used with bound MS Access forms etc. but
this looks like a rather limited feature - am I wrong?

What I mean is cashing data locally into mdbs, only the data needed for
the currently open form(s) etc., processing this data and then updating
backend database(mdb, MSDE, MS SQL, whatever...) - with all this cashing
and updating made mostly automatically by a tiny framework code, based
on ADO.NET...(yes, this local caching of data is not a new subject but
nowadays it can be (re-)implement really scalable way with a way less
efforts than
before)

Maybe MS plans to do something like that?

Is that a wheel reinvention or anybody here sees such opportunity like a
really useful feature in their real life projects?

For me it looks like a useful feature because it could help: to get MS
Access back into mainstream development area because it will allow to
easily scale applications with MS Access front-ends...

There are many other ideas but most of them in this "ideas pool" based
on the subject one - if it doesn't make sense for real-life projects
then I'd better stop working on it...

What is your opinion about the subject?
When you expect MS will do something like that in MS Access?

Thank you,
Shamil


From Bruce.Bruen at railcorp.nsw.gov.au  Wed Aug 17 21:28:33 2005
From: Bruce.Bruen at railcorp.nsw.gov.au (Bruen, Bruce)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 12:28:33 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] copy string to clipboard
Message-ID: <F2BE8EAB3EA585418337B71BCE6F3BF304EC3C@msmet100.rail.nsw.gov.au>

This must! be simple.
 
I have a string variable created by concatenating the values of several
form fields.  So how can I copy the value of this string to the
clipboard?
 
Private Sub Command35_Click()
    Dim refstr As String
    refstr = "RCRef=|" & Me.ucref & "|" & Me.testname & "|" & Me.TestID
& "|"
    Debug.Print refstr
    Stop
    ':-( Runcmd accmdStickTheStringInTheClipboard :-(
End Sub
 
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From carbonnb at sympatico.ca  Wed Aug 17 21:32:29 2005
From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 22:32:29 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] copy string to clipboard
In-Reply-To: <F2BE8EAB3EA585418337B71BCE6F3BF304EC3C@msmet100.rail.nsw.gov.au>
Message-ID: <BAYC1-PASMTP04B89CE011366ACE19DBF4AEB20@cez.ice>

On 18 Aug 2005 at 12:28, Bruen, Bruce wrote:

> This must! be simple.
> 
> I have a string variable created by concatenating the values of
> several form fields.  So how can I copy the value of this string to
> the clipboard?
> 
> Private Sub Command35_Click()
>     Dim refstr As String
>     refstr = "RCRef=|" & Me.ucref & "|" & Me.testname & "|" &
>     Me.TestID
> & "|"
>     Debug.Print refstr
>     Stop
>     ':-( Runcmd accmdStickTheStringInTheClipboard :-(
> End Sub

It's an API call.

Have a look at http://www.mvps.org/access/api/api0049.htm for the 
gory details.

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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Wed Aug 17 22:09:55 2005
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 13:09:55 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] copy string to clipboard
In-Reply-To: <4303BAFD.19602.192DD92@carbonnb.sympatico.ca>
References: <F2BE8EAB3EA585418337B71BCE6F3BF304EC3C@msmet100.rail.nsw.gov.au>
Message-ID: <430488A3.30663.1015707@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

On 17 Aug 2005 at 22:32, Bryan Carbonnell wrote:

> On 18 Aug 2005 at 12:28, Bruen, Bruce wrote:
> 
> > This must! be simple.
> > 
> > I have a string variable created by concatenating the values of
> > several form fields.  So how can I copy the value of this string to
> > the clipboard?
> > 
> > Private Sub Command35_Click()
> >     Dim refstr As String
> >     refstr = "RCRef=|" & Me.ucref & "|" & Me.testname & "|" &
> >     Me.TestID
> > & "|"
> >     Debug.Print refstr
> >     Stop
> >     ':-( Runcmd accmdStickTheStringInTheClipboard :-(
> > End Sub
> 
> It's an API call.
> 
> Have a look at http://www.mvps.org/access/api/api0049.htm for the 
> gory details.
> 

I'm trying to dig up some code I have to do this - can't find it at the 
moment. As Brian says, it's fairly gory. It needs  memallocs and deallocs 
plus determining the correct datatype.

As a quick and dirty workaround, you may be able to put the string in a 
control, set focus to the control and use Docmd.RunCommand acCmdCopy




-- 
Stuart




From Bruce.Bruen at railcorp.nsw.gov.au  Wed Aug 17 22:19:58 2005
From: Bruce.Bruen at railcorp.nsw.gov.au (Bruen, Bruce)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 13:19:58 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] copy string to clipboard
Message-ID: <F2BE8EAB3EA585418337B71BCE6F3BF304EC3D@msmet100.rail.nsw.gov.au>

Stuart,

Stop looking.  Tery Krefts code su7ggested by Bryan is just the ticket.

Thanks to all.

bruce 

P.s.  Although I've never needed to do this before, its amazing that its
not a comon function!

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart
McLachlan
Sent: Thursday, 18 August 2005 1:10 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] copy string to clipboard

On 17 Aug 2005 at 22:32, Bryan Carbonnell wrote:

> On 18 Aug 2005 at 12:28, Bruen, Bruce wrote:
> 
> > This must! be simple.
> > 
> > I have a string variable created by concatenating the values of 
> > several form fields.  So how can I copy the value of this string to 
> > the clipboard?
> > 
> > Private Sub Command35_Click()
> >     Dim refstr As String
> >     refstr = "RCRef=|" & Me.ucref & "|" & Me.testname & "|" &
> >     Me.TestID
> > & "|"
> >     Debug.Print refstr
> >     Stop
> >     ':-( Runcmd accmdStickTheStringInTheClipboard :-( End Sub
> 
> It's an API call.
> 
> Have a look at http://www.mvps.org/access/api/api0049.htm for the gory

> details.
> 

I'm trying to dig up some code I have to do this - can't find it at the
moment. As Brian says, it's fairly gory. It needs  memallocs and
deallocs plus determining the correct datatype.

As a quick and dirty workaround, you may be able to put the string in a
control, set focus to the control and use Docmd.RunCommand acCmdCopy




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From jmhecht at earthlink.net  Wed Aug 17 23:53:57 2005
From: jmhecht at earthlink.net (Joe Hecht)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 21:53:57 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] MDE question
Message-ID: <000001c5a3b0$dfc37f30$6401a8c0@laptop1>

If I do an app in Access 2K3 and make an .mde out if it will older versions
of Access be able to use it?
 
I guess the question is what is the effect on backwards compatibility with
mde
 
Joe Hecht
Los Angeles CA
 


From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Aug 18 01:10:11 2005
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 16:10:11 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] MDE question
In-Reply-To: <000001c5a3b0$dfc37f30$6401a8c0@laptop1>
Message-ID: <4304B2E3.16275.1A65F03@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

On 17 Aug 2005 at 21:53, Joe Hecht wrote:

> If I do an app in Access 2K3 and make an .mde out if it will older versions
> of Access be able to use it?
>  

No, and future versions probably won't be able to either - at least that's 
been the case up to now.




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From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Aug 18 01:25:02 2005
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 23:25:02 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] copy string to clipboard
In-Reply-To: <F2BE8EAB3EA585418337B71BCE6F3BF304EC3C@msmet100.rail.nsw.gov.au>
Message-ID: <0ILE00H0HN5QPV@l-daemon>

Hi Bruce:

I have some code that I have been using for years, mostly for debugging
purposes. It just copies a string up into the clip board and it doesn't look
as ugly as the code from Terry Kreft.

The following code resides in a miodule declaration area:

<code>
'Whole bunch of APIs which allow text to be copied to clipboard...
Private Declare Function OpenClipboard Lib "User32" (ByVal hWnd&) As Long
Private Declare Function EmptyClipboard Lib "User32" () As Long
Private Declare Function GetClipboardData Lib "User32" (ByVal wFormat&) As
Long
Private Declare Function SetClipboardData Lib "User32" (ByVal wFormat&, _
        ByVal hMem&) As Long
Private Declare Function CloseClipboard Lib "User32" () As Long
'
Private Declare Function GlobalAlloc Lib "kernel32" (ByVal wFlags&, _
        ByVal dwBytes&) As Long
Private Declare Function GlobalLock Lib "kernel32" (ByVal hMem&) As Long
Private Declare Function GlobalUnlock Lib "kernel32" (ByVal hMem&) As Long
'
Private Declare Function lstrcpy Lib "kernel32" (ByVal lpString1 As Any, _
        ByVal lpString2 As Any) As Long
</code>

And the remainder is place in a module's function area:

<code>
Public Sub ClipPutText(lsText As String)
    ' Stores text on the clipboard

    Dim hMem As Long
    Const GHND = &H42
    
    hMem = GlobalAlloc(GHND, Len(lsText) + 1)
    lstrcpy GlobalLock(hMem), lsText
    If GlobalUnlock(hMem) = 0 Then
        If OpenClipboard(0&) <> 0 Then
            EmptyClipboard
            SetClipboardData 1, hMem
            CloseClipboard
        End If
    End If
    
End Sub
</code>

And it can be called from anywhere; forms, reports or modules like so:

ClipPutText MyString  'Place the string 'MyString into the clipboard


HTH
Jim
 
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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bruen, Bruce
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 7:29 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] copy string to clipboard

This must! be simple.
 
I have a string variable created by concatenating the values of several
form fields.  So how can I copy the value of this string to the
clipboard?
 
Private Sub Command35_Click()
    Dim refstr As String
    refstr = "RCRef=|" & Me.ucref & "|" & Me.testname & "|" & Me.TestID
& "|"
    Debug.Print refstr
    Stop
    ':-( Runcmd accmdStickTheStringInTheClipboard :-(
End Sub
 
tia 
bruce
 
 
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From shamil at users.mns.ru  Thu Aug 18 04:50:27 2005
From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 13:50:27 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT(?): Big Design Up Front (BDUF) vs. XP any comments,
	ideas, experience?
Message-ID: <002501c5a3da$451f62d0$6401a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru>

Hi All,

I've got this this today from JoelOnSoftware subscription list:

<<<<<<
"As I worked through the screens that would be needed to allow
either party to initiate the process, I realized that Aardvark
would be just as useful, and radically simpler, if the helper
was required to start the whole process. Making this change in
the spec took an hour or two. If we had made this change in code,
it would have added weeks to the schedule. I can't tell you how
strongly I believe in Big Design Up Front, which the proponents
of Extreme Programming consider anathema. I have consistently
saved time and made better products by using BDUF and I'm proud
to use it, no matter what the XP fanatics claim. They're just
wrong on this point and I can't be any clearer than that."

- From my latest article:

  The Project Aardvark Spec
  http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/AardvarkSpec.html
>>>>>
No comments.

It happened that I'm currently reading:

"Microsoft Object Thinking"
by David West
ISBN:0735619654
Microsoft Press ? 2004

and

"Extreme Programming Adventures in C# "
by Ron Jeffries
ISBN:0735619492
Microsoft Press ? 2004

These two books are from Microsoft Press and they have a lot of useful
information on eXterme Programming, Unit Testing and Classical(Behavioral)
vs. currently existing in most implementations "real life" UML-based(RUP)
OOD&P.

When MS Press publishes books on such more computer-science than
used in real life projects subjects then they are very probably "cultivating
the ground" for the soon to become true "dreams". (I remember I watched a
movie "Microsoft, Year 2004"(form MS of course) somewhere in year 1995 or
so - and as I see now their by that time science-fiction is now real-life,
exactly in year 2004-2005.

I must say I impressed with both books (and there are just a few technical
books I liked because most of them are just "chewing" MSDN or other docs
without almost any new ideas).
The more I read them the more I like them and I see a lot of sense in what
is written in them and I see a lot of my own ideas and experience are there
too.  I'm glad my thinking is in the mainstream (of course what they say is
much more elaborated and thought through and based on their own rich
experience).

So my guess/thinking is that XP, Unit Testing and Behavioral (Extreme)
OOD&P are becoming mainstream for real-life development of the projects of
any size - in fact as authors of these books state (based on  their
experience)  that the stuff they are writing about is the "only" agile way
to solve the challenges of nowadays customers and projects requests. And
they are not fanatics I think - they base their writing on deep analysis of
all the previous 50 years experience in software development and not only in
software -  "Microsoft Object Thinking"  is more philosophical than
technical book and it has quotes from Plato (year 400 B.C.) - these quotes
are used to explain how to "attack" complicated/vague projects'
requirements...


What do you think about the subject and related issues?

Do we need Access/VBA Unit Testing added here -
http://opensourcetesting.org/unit_misc.php (Open source tools for software
testing professionals) - it can be done - does it make sense?

Shamil



From shamil at users.mns.ru  Thu Aug 18 05:37:22 2005
From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 14:37:22 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: 17 August 2005: TechWorld: Alert over Acrobat bug
Message-ID: <001c01c5a3e0$d54d9380$6401a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru>

http://www.techworld.com/security/news/index.cfm?RSS&NewsID=4233

<<<
The bug went from disclosure to widespread worm attacks within a week, one
of the fastest-developing security threats so far, security experts said.
>>>

Shamil



From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Thu Aug 18 06:01:10 2005
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 12:01:10 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT: 17 August 2005: TechWorld: Alert over Acrobat bug
Message-ID: <20050818110108.278E92528C6@smtp.nildram.co.uk>

Thanks for the warning Shamil.
--
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http://www.minstersystems.co.uk




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Subject: [AccessD] OT: 17 August 2005: TechWorld: Alert over Acrobat bug
Date: 18/08/05 10:34


http://www.techworld.com/security/news/index.cfm?RSS&NewsID=4233

<<<
The bug went from disclosure to widespread worm attacks within a week, one
of the fastest-developing security threats so far, security experts said.
>>>

Shamil

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From Johncliviger at aol.com  Thu Aug 18 06:39:54 2005
From: Johncliviger at aol.com (Johncliviger at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 07:39:54 EDT
Subject: [AccessD] Access to SQL
Message-ID: <1f9.1014c331.3035cd8a@aol.com>

Hi all
 
I've moved Access XP FE to ADP FE and the tables to SQL 2000 BE. I now  find 
that Select DistinctRow thats in Access XP has no equivalent in SQL  2000. 
What is the equivalent syntax?
 
for example have the following sql string works in Access without a  problem. 
Load it into ADP ...and its a no no.
 
Any suggestions?
 
SELECT DISTINCTROW ApplicantPersonalDetails.*,  OrderDetails.CourseCounter, 
OrderDetails.OrderID, Orders.ClientID,  Orders.OrderDate, 
Orders.InvoiceRequired, ClientPurchaser.ClientCode,  ClientPurchaser.Purchasers, 
ClientPurchaser.FirstName, ClientPurchaser.LastName,  PostBasicCourseDetails.CourseID, 
PostBasicCourseDetails.Date,  PostBasicCourseDetails.Course, 
PostBasicCourseDetails.Level,  PostBasicCourseDetails.Location, PostBasicCourseDetails.Code,  
PostBasicCourseDetails.Length, PostBasicCourseDetails.Places,  
PostBasicCourseDetails.CourseLeader1, PostBasicCourseDetails.CourseLeader2,  
PostBasicCourseDetails.Cost, PostBasicCourseDetails.Selection

FROM          PostBasicCourseDetails INNER  JOIN
(((ClientPurchaser INNER  JOIN
Orders ON ClientPurchaser.ClientID = Orders.ClientID) INNER  JOIN
OrderDetails ON Orders.OrderID = OrderDetails.OrderID) INNER  JOIN
ApplicantPersonalDetails ON OrderDetails.OrderDetailID =  
ApplicantPersonalDetails.OrderDetailID) ON  
PostBasicCourseDetails.CourseCounter = OrderDetails.CourseCounter;
 
Regards
johnc


From shamil at users.mns.ru  Thu Aug 18 06:45:56 2005
From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 15:45:56 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
References: <004b01c5a383$7bdab060$6401a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru>
	<BAY103-DAV16092568B71CAA8F1065C4AEB30@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <002001c5a3ea$66b59c60$6401a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru>

No, William, this is not replication - here is what I mean in short:

http://www.smsconsulting.spb.ru/shamil_s/articles/ddo.htm

Shamil

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "William Hindman" <dejpolsys at hotmail.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 3:47 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..


> Shamil
>
> ..I must be missing something ...that sounds like replication to me.
>
> William
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil at users.mns.ru>
> To: "!DBA-MAIN" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 7:28 PM
> Subject: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
>
>
> > Hi All,
> >
> > I wanted to ask you - what about the subject?
> > Anybody uses/interested to use MS Access client applications this way?
> >
> > Do I miss obvious (RTFM) stuff and such a disconnected mode is already
> > implemented in MS Access and broadly used by MS Access developers? Yes,
I
> > know ADO recordsets can be used with bound MS Access forms etc. but this
> > looks like a rather limited feature - am I wrong?
> >
> > What I mean is cashing data locally into mdbs, only the data needed for
> > the
> > currently open form(s) etc., processing this data and then updating
> > backend
> > database(mdb, MSDE, MS SQL, whatever...) - with all this cashing and
> > updating made mostly automatically by a tiny framework code, based on
> > ADO.NET...(yes, this local caching of data is not a new subject but
> > nowadays
> > it can be (re-)implement really scalable way with a way less efforts
than
> > before)
> >
> > Maybe MS plans to do something like that?
> >
> > Is that a wheel reinvention or anybody here sees such opportunity like a
> > really useful feature in their real life projects?
> >
> > For me it looks like a useful feature because it could help: to get MS
> > Access back into mainstream development area because it will allow to
> > easily
> > scale applications with MS Access front-ends...
> >
> > There are many other ideas but most of them in this "ideas pool" based
on
> > the subject one - if it doesn't make sense for real-life projects then
I'd
> > better stop working on it...
> >
> > What is your opinion about the subject?
> > When you expect MS will do something like that in MS Access?
> >
> > Thank you,
> > Shamil
> >
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From paul.hartland at isharp.co.uk  Thu Aug 18 06:49:41 2005
From: paul.hartland at isharp.co.uk (Paul Hartland (ISHARP))
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 12:49:41 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Access to SQL
In-Reply-To: <1f9.1014c331.3035cd8a@aol.com>
Message-ID: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAC4AAAAAAAAAclrM129q6km1GlSfRwF8CgEAFKerAD79REu7GTojEo2iDgAAAAddkgAAEAAAAIYwYqTgobBBplR8Jl8FGO0BAAAAAA==@isharp.co.uk>

Can't quite remember off hand but I think if you change DISTINCTROW to just
DISTINCT that may work 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Johncliviger at aol.com
Sent: 18 August 2005 12:40
To: accessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Access to SQL

Hi all
 
I've moved Access XP FE to ADP FE and the tables to SQL 2000 BE. I now  find
that Select DistinctRow thats in Access XP has no equivalent in SQL  2000. 
What is the equivalent syntax?
 
for example have the following sql string works in Access without a
problem. 
Load it into ADP ...and its a no no.
 
Any suggestions?
 
SELECT DISTINCTROW ApplicantPersonalDetails.*,  OrderDetails.CourseCounter,
OrderDetails.OrderID, Orders.ClientID,  Orders.OrderDate,
Orders.InvoiceRequired, ClientPurchaser.ClientCode,
ClientPurchaser.Purchasers, ClientPurchaser.FirstName,
ClientPurchaser.LastName,  PostBasicCourseDetails.CourseID,
PostBasicCourseDetails.Date,  PostBasicCourseDetails.Course,
PostBasicCourseDetails.Level,  PostBasicCourseDetails.Location,
PostBasicCourseDetails.Code, PostBasicCourseDetails.Length,
PostBasicCourseDetails.Places, PostBasicCourseDetails.CourseLeader1,
PostBasicCourseDetails.CourseLeader2,
PostBasicCourseDetails.Cost, PostBasicCourseDetails.Selection

FROM          PostBasicCourseDetails INNER  JOIN
(((ClientPurchaser INNER  JOIN
Orders ON ClientPurchaser.ClientID = Orders.ClientID) INNER  JOIN
OrderDetails ON Orders.OrderID = OrderDetails.OrderID) INNER  JOIN
ApplicantPersonalDetails ON OrderDetails.OrderDetailID =
ApplicantPersonalDetails.OrderDetailID) ON
PostBasicCourseDetails.CourseCounter = OrderDetails.CourseCounter;
 
Regards
johnc
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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Thu Aug 18 07:01:55 2005
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 07:01:55 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT(?): Big Design Up Front (BDUF) vs. XP any comments,
	ideas, experience?
In-Reply-To: <2394097.1124357866442.JavaMail.root@sniper21>
Message-ID: <000301c5a3ec$a2806520$0300a8c0@danwaters>

I agree wholeheartedly with Joel.  I developed a spec where instead of the
Quality Dept. initiating a record, it was initiated by the Purchasing Dept.
because they were the first group to become aware of the issue.  I wouldn't
have known that without investigating and understanding up front what the
whole process was.  The Purchasing Dept. agreed pretty quickly that they
could do this, particularly because having a software application to use
instead of paper forms made it easy.

The Quality Dept. was initiating because everyone assumed that it was a
Quality process.  That was departmental thinking - it's whole company
process thinking that really works.

Dan Waters


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
Salakhetdinov
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 4:50 AM
To: !DBA-MAIN
Subject: [AccessD] OT(?): Big Design Up Front (BDUF) vs. XP any
comments,ideas, experience?

Hi All,

I've got this this today from JoelOnSoftware subscription list:

<<<<<<
"As I worked through the screens that would be needed to allow
either party to initiate the process, I realized that Aardvark
would be just as useful, and radically simpler, if the helper
was required to start the whole process. Making this change in
the spec took an hour or two. If we had made this change in code,
it would have added weeks to the schedule. I can't tell you how
strongly I believe in Big Design Up Front, which the proponents
of Extreme Programming consider anathema. I have consistently
saved time and made better products by using BDUF and I'm proud
to use it, no matter what the XP fanatics claim. They're just
wrong on this point and I can't be any clearer than that."

- From my latest article:

  The Project Aardvark Spec
  http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/AardvarkSpec.html
>>>>>
No comments.

It happened that I'm currently reading:

"Microsoft Object Thinking"
by David West
ISBN:0735619654
Microsoft Press C 2004

and

"Extreme Programming Adventures in C# "
by Ron Jeffries
ISBN:0735619492
Microsoft Press C 2004

These two books are from Microsoft Press and they have a lot of useful
information on eXterme Programming, Unit Testing and Classical(Behavioral)
vs. currently existing in most implementations "real life" UML-based(RUP)
OOD&P.

When MS Press publishes books on such more computer-science than
used in real life projects subjects then they are very probably "cultivating
the ground" for the soon to become true "dreams". (I remember I watched a
movie "Microsoft, Year 2004"(form MS of course) somewhere in year 1995 or
so - and as I see now their by that time science-fiction is now real-life,
exactly in year 2004-2005.

I must say I impressed with both books (and there are just a few technical
books I liked because most of them are just "chewing" MSDN or other docs
without almost any new ideas).
The more I read them the more I like them and I see a lot of sense in what
is written in them and I see a lot of my own ideas and experience are there
too.  I'm glad my thinking is in the mainstream (of course what they say is
much more elaborated and thought through and based on their own rich
experience).

So my guess/thinking is that XP, Unit Testing and Behavioral (Extreme)
OOD&P are becoming mainstream for real-life development of the projects of
any size - in fact as authors of these books state (based on  their
experience)  that the stuff they are writing about is the "only" agile way
to solve the challenges of nowadays customers and projects requests. And
they are not fanatics I think - they base their writing on deep analysis of
all the previous 50 years experience in software development and not only in
software -  "Microsoft Object Thinking"  is more philosophical than
technical book and it has quotes from Plato (year 400 B.C.) - these quotes
are used to explain how to "attack" complicated/vague projects'
requirements...


What do you think about the subject and related issues?

Do we need Access/VBA Unit Testing added here -
http://opensourcetesting.org/unit_misc.php (Open source tools for software
testing professionals) - it can be done - does it make sense?

Shamil

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From dejpolsys at hotmail.com  Thu Aug 18 07:10:14 2005
From: dejpolsys at hotmail.com (William Hindman)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 08:10:14 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
References: <004b01c5a383$7bdab060$6401a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru><BAY103-DAV16092568B71CAA8F1065C4AEB30@phx.gbl>
	<002001c5a3ea$66b59c60$6401a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru>
Message-ID: <BAY103-DAV183C1F6BA7D1C1B03A41FAAEB20@phx.gbl>

..thanks Shamil ...you work in another world ...and I don't mean Russia :)

..SQL Server is about as far afield as I ever get ...and unbound forms in 
Access, with few exceptions, are a curse upon mankind ...imnsho :)

William

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil at users.mns.ru>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 7:45 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..


> No, William, this is not replication - here is what I mean in short:
>
> http://www.smsconsulting.spb.ru/shamil_s/articles/ddo.htm
>
> Shamil
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "William Hindman" <dejpolsys at hotmail.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 3:47 AM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
>
>
>> Shamil
>>
>> ..I must be missing something ...that sounds like replication to me.
>>
>> William
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil at users.mns.ru>
>> To: "!DBA-MAIN" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 7:28 PM
>> Subject: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
>>
>>
>> > Hi All,
>> >
>> > I wanted to ask you - what about the subject?
>> > Anybody uses/interested to use MS Access client applications this way?
>> >
>> > Do I miss obvious (RTFM) stuff and such a disconnected mode is already
>> > implemented in MS Access and broadly used by MS Access developers? Yes,
> I
>> > know ADO recordsets can be used with bound MS Access forms etc. but 
>> > this
>> > looks like a rather limited feature - am I wrong?
>> >
>> > What I mean is cashing data locally into mdbs, only the data needed for
>> > the
>> > currently open form(s) etc., processing this data and then updating
>> > backend
>> > database(mdb, MSDE, MS SQL, whatever...) - with all this cashing and
>> > updating made mostly automatically by a tiny framework code, based on
>> > ADO.NET...(yes, this local caching of data is not a new subject but
>> > nowadays
>> > it can be (re-)implement really scalable way with a way less efforts
> than
>> > before)
>> >
>> > Maybe MS plans to do something like that?
>> >
>> > Is that a wheel reinvention or anybody here sees such opportunity like 
>> > a
>> > really useful feature in their real life projects?
>> >
>> > For me it looks like a useful feature because it could help: to get MS
>> > Access back into mainstream development area because it will allow to
>> > easily
>> > scale applications with MS Access front-ends...
>> >
>> > There are many other ideas but most of them in this "ideas pool" based
> on
>> > the subject one - if it doesn't make sense for real-life projects then
> I'd
>> > better stop working on it...
>> >
>> > What is your opinion about the subject?
>> > When you expect MS will do something like that in MS Access?
>> >
>> > Thank you,
>> > Shamil
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Aug 18 07:44:01 2005
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 08:44:01 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] MDE question
In-Reply-To: <000001c5a3b0$dfc37f30$6401a8c0@laptop1>
Message-ID: <00fd01c5a3f2$82c37d70$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

Joe,

Compatibility between versions depends on two factors, the container version
used for the MDE and use of features specific to that version.  Let's
discuss this in two parts:

CONTAINER:  If your users use A97, A2K, AXP and A2003, it should be possible
to build the mde in and A97 container and all of these versions should be
able to open the thing and use it.  IIRC, there is a "great divide" between
A97 and anything after where if the container is opened in any version AFTER
A97 the user will be able to open (and use it) but not make changes to it,
i.e. it is opened read only.  For this reason alone it is convenient if you
can assure that all clients will use A2K or later.

If you use A2K and later, then it becomes a "simple" rule: Access can only
open the version it creates or earlier.  For example, A2K can only open A2K
containers, it cannot open AXP containers.  If you create an MDE using a
native AXP container then A2K users will get a "bad database format" error
message if they try to open it.  If you use an A2K container, then A2K and
all versions after will be able to open the container, and also to read /
write to it.

RULE:  Use only A2K containers to build databases that need to be
read/writeable by Access versions A2K and above.

VERSION SPECIFIC FEATURES:  Microsoft takes great care to try and ensure
backwards compatibility (No, I don't work for them).  For that reason,
virtually any feature used in an A97 database can be used in A2K or above.
However, Each version can and does add features.  Obviously in general these
features cannot be used by previous versions.  A good example of this is
raising events.  A97 could SINK events in classes which were raised by
objects passed in to the class.  However A97 cannot RAISE events of its own.
A2K and above can raise events.  Thus if your code raises events, that will
not be useable in A97.

RULE:  Discover whether you are using version specific capabilities and
either not use these capabilities or be prepared to limit your distribution
to versions of Access at least the version you are developing in or later.

I use AXP and A2K.  I don't know of any capabilities in AXP that are not
useable in A2K.  I think once you get out to A2003 you start to run into
things like XML import/export which is just not available in AXP and
previous versions.  Obviously if you were to develop in A2003 and you use
these features, even if you use an A2K container neither A2K nor AXP will
function correctly.

Hopefully this discussion has given you a better idea of how to approach
compatibility issues.  AFAIK, using an MDE in and of itself does not place
any restrictions on which version of Access can use the database.  The
container type and Version Specific Functionality will be the sticking
points.

John W. Colby
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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Joe Hecht
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 12:54 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] MDE question


If I do an app in Access 2K3 and make an .mde out if it will older versions
of Access be able to use it?
 
I guess the question is what is the effect on backwards compatibility with
mde
 
Joe Hecht
Los Angeles CA
 
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Aug 18 08:11:24 2005
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 23:11:24 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] MDE question
In-Reply-To: <00fd01c5a3f2$82c37d70$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>
References: <000001c5a3b0$dfc37f30$6401a8c0@laptop1>
Message-ID: <4305159C.15609.389644@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

On 18 Aug 2005 at 8:44, John W. Colby wrote:

 
> CONTAINER:  If your users use A97, A2K, AXP and A2003, it should be possible
> to build the mde in and A97 container and all of these versions should be
> able to open the thing and use it. 

No!  Definitely not. A2K/XP can't open an A97 MDE.  If you try, will be 
asked whether you want to open or convert it, but which ever option you 
choose, you will then get a msgbox saying "You can't convert or enable an 
MDE file."  You can link to it or import the tables and queries from it but 
you can't open or run it.

I'm running into this frequently at present.  I'm upgrading all the inhouse 
applications for a group of companies.  Many of these were created by 
dabblers and they are a real mess.  Unfortunately some of them are only 
available as MDEs and they are totally unconvertible.  Best I can do is 
extract the data and recreate the functionality in a new FE.




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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Aug 18 08:16:03 2005
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 09:16:03 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] MDE question
In-Reply-To: <4305159C.15609.389644@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <010601c5a3f6$fede9710$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

Ahh.. OK, I did not know that.  That is not true for later versions correct?
I.e. AXP does not even attempt to "convert" an A2K app to AXP so this isn't
an issue, correct?

As for "having to start from scratch" on those amateur apps, believe me that
is a blessing!

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 9:11 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MDE question


On 18 Aug 2005 at 8:44, John W. Colby wrote:

 
> CONTAINER:  If your users use A97, A2K, AXP and A2003, it should be 
> possible to build the mde in and A97 container and all of these 
> versions should be able to open the thing and use it.

No!  Definitely not. A2K/XP can't open an A97 MDE.  If you try, will be 
asked whether you want to open or convert it, but which ever option you 
choose, you will then get a msgbox saying "You can't convert or enable an 
MDE file."  You can link to it or import the tables and queries from it but 
you can't open or run it.

I'm running into this frequently at present.  I'm upgrading all the inhouse 
applications for a group of companies.  Many of these were created by 
dabblers and they are a real mess.  Unfortunately some of them are only 
available as MDEs and they are totally unconvertible.  Best I can do is 
extract the data and recreate the functionality in a new FE.




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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Aug 18 08:19:31 2005
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 23:19:31 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] MDE question
In-Reply-To: <00fd01c5a3f2$82c37d70$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>
References: <000001c5a3b0$dfc37f30$6401a8c0@laptop1>
Message-ID: <43051783.7751.400354@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

On 18 Aug 2005 at 8:44, John W. Colby wrote:

> I use AXP and A2K.  I don't know of any capabilities in AXP that are not
> useable in A2K.  

PivotTable and PivotChart views
Binding of reports, listboxes and combo boxes to ADO recordsets
Very long SQL statements as RecordSource or RowSource (over 2K characters)

-- 
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Aug 18 08:27:21 2005
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 23:27:21 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] MDE question
In-Reply-To: <010601c5a3f6$fede9710$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>
References: <4305159C.15609.389644@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <43051959.31312.473138@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

On 18 Aug 2005 at 9:16, John W. Colby wrote:

> Ahh.. OK, I did not know that.  That is not true for later versions correct?
> I.e. AXP does not even attempt to "convert" an A2K app to AXP so this isn't
> an issue, correct?
> 

Correct.  AXP has no dificulty opening an A2K MDE.

> As for "having to start from scratch" on those amateur apps, believe me that
> is a blessing!
> 

Don't I know it.  I' was just handed a new one yesterday to do some work 
on:
Natural Keys, Fieldnames "Date" and 'Name" as well as included spaces, 
tables not normalised, macros galore etc, etc. And this one was apparently 
built for a government entity by an AusAID consultant!


 -- 
Stuart




From D.Dick at uws.edu.au  Thu Aug 18 07:45:48 2005
From: D.Dick at uws.edu.au (Darren Dick)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 22:45:48 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] A2000/3:Connecting to SQL Server
Message-ID: <2FDE83AF1A69C84796CBD13788DDA88326D81B@BONHAM.AD.UWS.EDU.AU>

Hello all 

New Job - Have to Learn SQL Server ASAP and MS Reporting Services.

 (Anyone know any good resources on MS Reporting Services?)

Also I would like someone to hold my hand getting an ACCESS front end to talk with a SQL Server Backend.

never done it - never had to - and I have no clue on how to do it. :-))

Anyone wanna hold my hand  (No sweaty palms - I promise) or failing that some simple

(and it really does have to be simple for me) tutorials?

Many thanks

Darren

 



From Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org  Thu Aug 18 08:55:30 2005
From: Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 09:55:30 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] copy string to clipboard
Message-ID: <08F823FD83787D4BA0B99CA580AD3C74016C3CCA@TTNEXCHCL2.hshhp.com>

If you have VB and don't mind shipping a dll with your app it's much simpler.

<snip>
Clipboard.SetText "Jim D"
Me.Text1.Text = Clipboard.GetText
</snip>

Jim DeMarco

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 2:25 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] copy string to clipboard


Hi Bruce:

I have some code that I have been using for years, mostly for debugging
purposes. It just copies a string up into the clip board and it doesn't look
as ugly as the code from Terry Kreft.

The following code resides in a miodule declaration area:

<code>
'Whole bunch of APIs which allow text to be copied to clipboard...
Private Declare Function OpenClipboard Lib "User32" (ByVal hWnd&) As Long
Private Declare Function EmptyClipboard Lib "User32" () As Long
Private Declare Function GetClipboardData Lib "User32" (ByVal wFormat&) As
Long
Private Declare Function SetClipboardData Lib "User32" (ByVal wFormat&, _
        ByVal hMem&) As Long
Private Declare Function CloseClipboard Lib "User32" () As Long
'
Private Declare Function GlobalAlloc Lib "kernel32" (ByVal wFlags&, _
        ByVal dwBytes&) As Long
Private Declare Function GlobalLock Lib "kernel32" (ByVal hMem&) As Long
Private Declare Function GlobalUnlock Lib "kernel32" (ByVal hMem&) As Long
'
Private Declare Function lstrcpy Lib "kernel32" (ByVal lpString1 As Any, _
        ByVal lpString2 As Any) As Long
</code>

And the remainder is place in a module's function area:

<code>
Public Sub ClipPutText(lsText As String)
    ' Stores text on the clipboard

    Dim hMem As Long
    Const GHND = &H42
    
    hMem = GlobalAlloc(GHND, Len(lsText) + 1)
    lstrcpy GlobalLock(hMem), lsText
    If GlobalUnlock(hMem) = 0 Then
        If OpenClipboard(0&) <> 0 Then
            EmptyClipboard
            SetClipboardData 1, hMem
            CloseClipboard
        End If
    End If
    
End Sub
</code>

And it can be called from anywhere; forms, reports or modules like so:

ClipPutText MyString  'Place the string 'MyString into the clipboard


HTH
Jim
 
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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bruen, Bruce
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 7:29 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] copy string to clipboard

This must! be simple.
 
I have a string variable created by concatenating the values of several
form fields.  So how can I copy the value of this string to the
clipboard?
 
Private Sub Command35_Click()
    Dim refstr As String
    refstr = "RCRef=|" & Me.ucref & "|" & Me.testname & "|" & Me.TestID
& "|"
    Debug.Print refstr
    Stop
    ':-( Runcmd accmdStickTheStringInTheClipboard :-(
End Sub
 
tia 
bruce
 
 
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Aug 18 09:00:55 2005
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 10:00:55 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] A2000/3:Connecting to SQL Server
In-Reply-To: <2FDE83AF1A69C84796CBD13788DDA88326D81B@BONHAM.AD.UWS.EDU.AU>
Message-ID: <010701c5a3fd$40a7f690$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

Darren,

If the BE is in Access and needs to be upgraded to SQL Server, try the
upgrade wizard.  I have run this on some fairly major Access Bes and it
works pretty well.  The only issue I had was dates which have different
ranges between Access and SQL.  


The idea is to get the BE upgrading without any issues (data all moves
without errors), then put the FE back in the BE and run it one more time.
The wizard will place the data in SQL Server and create ODBC connections
between the FE (no data anymore) and SQL Server.  The ODBC connections look
for all the world like normal links and at that point your FE should operate
normally.  At least the FE will work now.  You can then start doing other
things to make it faster, more robust etc.

That's the "nutshell" version of the process.

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Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 8:46 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving; Database Advisors
Subject: [AccessD] A2000/3:Connecting to SQL Server


Hello all 

New Job - Have to Learn SQL Server ASAP and MS Reporting Services.

 (Anyone know any good resources on MS Reporting Services?)

Also I would like someone to hold my hand getting an ACCESS front end to
talk with a SQL Server Backend.

never done it - never had to - and I have no clue on how to do it. :-))

Anyone wanna hold my hand  (No sweaty palms - I promise) or failing that
some simple

(and it really does have to be simple for me) tutorials?

Many thanks

Darren

 

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From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com  Thu Aug 18 09:53:32 2005
From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 10:53:32 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] copy string to clipboard
Message-ID: <1D7828CDB8350747AFE9D69E0E90DA1F1484BAA4@xlivmbx21.aig.com>

Which is simpler

ClipPutText MyString 

Or 

Clipboard.SetText "Jim D"

Answer: they are both real simple.  But In the first case all you need is
the code for the ClipPutText routine stashed away in a module, which you can
then treat as a black box, and in the second case you have to distribute a
DLL and ensure that it gets registered properly (assuming the user has
privileges to register DLLs). I know which way I would go! :-)

Lambert

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim DeMarco
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 9:56 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] copy string to clipboard


If you have VB and don't mind shipping a dll with your app it's much
simpler.

<snip>
Clipboard.SetText "Jim D"
Me.Text1.Text = Clipboard.GetText
</snip>

Jim DeMarco

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 2:25 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] copy string to clipboard


Hi Bruce:

I have some code that I have been using for years, mostly for debugging
purposes. It just copies a string up into the clip board and it doesn't look
as ugly as the code from Terry Kreft.

The following code resides in a miodule declaration area:

<code>
'Whole bunch of APIs which allow text to be copied to clipboard... Private
Declare Function OpenClipboard Lib "User32" (ByVal hWnd&) As Long Private
Declare Function EmptyClipboard Lib "User32" () As Long Private Declare
Function GetClipboardData Lib "User32" (ByVal wFormat&) As Long Private
Declare Function SetClipboardData Lib "User32" (ByVal wFormat&, _
        ByVal hMem&) As Long
Private Declare Function CloseClipboard Lib "User32" () As Long ' Private
Declare Function GlobalAlloc Lib "kernel32" (ByVal wFlags&, _
        ByVal dwBytes&) As Long
Private Declare Function GlobalLock Lib "kernel32" (ByVal hMem&) As Long
Private Declare Function GlobalUnlock Lib "kernel32" (ByVal hMem&) As Long '
Private Declare Function lstrcpy Lib "kernel32" (ByVal lpString1 As Any, _
        ByVal lpString2 As Any) As Long
</code>

And the remainder is place in a module's function area:

<code>
Public Sub ClipPutText(lsText As String)
    ' Stores text on the clipboard

    Dim hMem As Long
    Const GHND = &H42
    
    hMem = GlobalAlloc(GHND, Len(lsText) + 1)
    lstrcpy GlobalLock(hMem), lsText
    If GlobalUnlock(hMem) = 0 Then
        If OpenClipboard(0&) <> 0 Then
            EmptyClipboard
            SetClipboardData 1, hMem
            CloseClipboard
        End If
    End If
    
End Sub
</code>

And it can be called from anywhere; forms, reports or modules like so:

ClipPutText MyString  'Place the string 'MyString into the clipboard


HTH
Jim
 
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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bruen, Bruce
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 7:29 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] copy string to clipboard

This must! be simple.
 
I have a string variable created by concatenating the values of several form
fields.  So how can I copy the value of this string to the clipboard?
 
Private Sub Command35_Click()
    Dim refstr As String
    refstr = "RCRef=|" & Me.ucref & "|" & Me.testname & "|" & Me.TestID &
"|"
    Debug.Print refstr
    Stop
    ':-( Runcmd accmdStickTheStringInTheClipboard :-(
End Sub
 
tia 
bruce
 
 
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Aug 18 10:00:26 2005
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 11:00:26 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] copy string to clipboard
In-Reply-To: <1D7828CDB8350747AFE9D69E0E90DA1F1484BAA4@xlivmbx21.aig.com>
Message-ID: <010e01c5a405$90f58b50$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

Where is the matching ClipGetText?

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-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 10:54 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] copy string to clipboard


Which is simpler

ClipPutText MyString 

Or 

Clipboard.SetText "Jim D"

Answer: they are both real simple.  But In the first case all you need is
the code for the ClipPutText routine stashed away in a module, which you can
then treat as a black box, and in the second case you have to distribute a
DLL and ensure that it gets registered properly (assuming the user has
privileges to register DLLs). I know which way I would go! :-)

Lambert

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim DeMarco
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 9:56 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] copy string to clipboard


If you have VB and don't mind shipping a dll with your app it's much
simpler.

<snip>
Clipboard.SetText "Jim D"
Me.Text1.Text = Clipboard.GetText
</snip>

Jim DeMarco

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 2:25 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] copy string to clipboard


Hi Bruce:

I have some code that I have been using for years, mostly for debugging
purposes. It just copies a string up into the clip board and it doesn't look
as ugly as the code from Terry Kreft.

The following code resides in a miodule declaration area:

<code>
'Whole bunch of APIs which allow text to be copied to clipboard... Private
Declare Function OpenClipboard Lib "User32" (ByVal hWnd&) As Long Private
Declare Function EmptyClipboard Lib "User32" () As Long Private Declare
Function GetClipboardData Lib "User32" (ByVal wFormat&) As Long Private
Declare Function SetClipboardData Lib "User32" (ByVal wFormat&, _
        ByVal hMem&) As Long
Private Declare Function CloseClipboard Lib "User32" () As Long ' Private
Declare Function GlobalAlloc Lib "kernel32" (ByVal wFlags&, _
        ByVal dwBytes&) As Long
Private Declare Function GlobalLock Lib "kernel32" (ByVal hMem&) As Long
Private Declare Function GlobalUnlock Lib "kernel32" (ByVal hMem&) As Long '
Private Declare Function lstrcpy Lib "kernel32" (ByVal lpString1 As Any, _
        ByVal lpString2 As Any) As Long
</code>

And the remainder is place in a module's function area:

<code>
Public Sub ClipPutText(lsText As String)
    ' Stores text on the clipboard

    Dim hMem As Long
    Const GHND = &H42
    
    hMem = GlobalAlloc(GHND, Len(lsText) + 1)
    lstrcpy GlobalLock(hMem), lsText
    If GlobalUnlock(hMem) = 0 Then
        If OpenClipboard(0&) <> 0 Then
            EmptyClipboard
            SetClipboardData 1, hMem
            CloseClipboard
        End If
    End If
    
End Sub
</code>

And it can be called from anywhere; forms, reports or modules like so:

ClipPutText MyString  'Place the string 'MyString into the clipboard


HTH
Jim
 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bruen, Bruce
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 7:29 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] copy string to clipboard

This must! be simple.
 
I have a string variable created by concatenating the values of several form
fields.  So how can I copy the value of this string to the clipboard?
 
Private Sub Command35_Click()
    Dim refstr As String
    refstr = "RCRef=|" & Me.ucref & "|" & Me.testname & "|" & Me.TestID &
"|"
    Debug.Print refstr
    Stop
    ':-( Runcmd accmdStickTheStringInTheClipboard :-(
End Sub
 
tia 
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Thu Aug 18 10:10:32 2005
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (DWUTKA at marlow.com)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 10:10:32 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] MDE question
Message-ID: <123701F54509D9119A4F00D0B747349016DD9E@main2.marlow.com>

I was going to post about that.  From what I understand, the big change was
97 to 2000.  2000 and up has the ability of using the '2000' format, so you
should be able to make a 2000 format mde that could be used in 2000, XP and
2003.  But I don't have the later versions to try that on.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Stuart McLachlan [mailto:stuart at lexacorp.com.pg]
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 8:27 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MDE question


On 18 Aug 2005 at 9:16, John W. Colby wrote:

> Ahh.. OK, I did not know that.  That is not true for later versions
correct?
> I.e. AXP does not even attempt to "convert" an A2K app to AXP so this
isn't
> an issue, correct?
> 

Correct.  AXP has no dificulty opening an A2K MDE.

> As for "having to start from scratch" on those amateur apps, believe me
that
> is a blessing!
> 

Don't I know it.  I' was just handed a new one yesterday to do some work 
on:
Natural Keys, Fieldnames "Date" and 'Name" as well as included spaces, 
tables not normalised, macros galore etc, etc. And this one was apparently 
built for a government entity by an AusAID consultant!


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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu Aug 18 10:25:09 2005
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 08:25:09 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] MDE question
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8689A810@infoserver01.infostat.local>

The real difference is the VBA version behind Access.  Access 97 was
VBA5, which used a different IDE and was non-standard to the rest of
Office 97/VB5.  Access 2000 - 2003 is built on VBA6 and shares the
standard VBA6 IDE.  Even in 2003, the 2000 file format is the default.
There is a difference in the structures (i.e., 2002 and 2003 have an
additional system table that doesn't exist in 2000) but each version
includes backward (not forward) compatibility.

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com] 
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 8:11 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MDE question


I was going to post about that.  From what I understand, the big change
was 97 to 2000.  2000 and up has the ability of using the '2000' format,
so you should be able to make a 2000 format mde that could be used in
2000, XP and 2003.  But I don't have the later versions to try that on.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Stuart McLachlan [mailto:stuart at lexacorp.com.pg]
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 8:27 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MDE question


On 18 Aug 2005 at 9:16, John W. Colby wrote:

> Ahh.. OK, I did not know that.  That is not true for later versions
correct?
> I.e. AXP does not even attempt to "convert" an A2K app to AXP so this
isn't
> an issue, correct?
> 

Correct.  AXP has no dificulty opening an A2K MDE.

> As for "having to start from scratch" on those amateur apps, believe 
> me
that
> is a blessing!
> 

Don't I know it.  I' was just handed a new one yesterday to do some work

on:
Natural Keys, Fieldnames "Date" and 'Name" as well as included spaces, 
tables not normalised, macros galore etc, etc. And this one was
apparently 
built for a government entity by an AusAID consultant!


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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu Aug 18 10:27:14 2005
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 08:27:14 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Access to SQL
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86873BC8@infoserver01.infostat.local>

There is no DISTINCTROW keyword in SQL because you don't need it.  Just
drop that from your SQL statement and check the results.

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Johncliviger at aol.com [mailto:Johncliviger at aol.com] 
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 4:40 AM
To: accessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Access to SQL


Hi all
 
I've moved Access XP FE to ADP FE and the tables to SQL 2000 BE. I now
find 
that Select DistinctRow thats in Access XP has no equivalent in SQL
2000. 
What is the equivalent syntax?
 
for example have the following sql string works in Access without a
problem. 
Load it into ADP ...and its a no no.
 
Any suggestions?
 
SELECT DISTINCTROW ApplicantPersonalDetails.*,
OrderDetails.CourseCounter, 
OrderDetails.OrderID, Orders.ClientID,  Orders.OrderDate, 
Orders.InvoiceRequired, ClientPurchaser.ClientCode,
ClientPurchaser.Purchasers, 
ClientPurchaser.FirstName, ClientPurchaser.LastName,
PostBasicCourseDetails.CourseID, 
PostBasicCourseDetails.Date,  PostBasicCourseDetails.Course, 
PostBasicCourseDetails.Level,  PostBasicCourseDetails.Location,
PostBasicCourseDetails.Code,  
PostBasicCourseDetails.Length, PostBasicCourseDetails.Places,  
PostBasicCourseDetails.CourseLeader1,
PostBasicCourseDetails.CourseLeader2,  
PostBasicCourseDetails.Cost, PostBasicCourseDetails.Selection

FROM          PostBasicCourseDetails INNER  JOIN
(((ClientPurchaser INNER  JOIN
Orders ON ClientPurchaser.ClientID = Orders.ClientID) INNER  JOIN
OrderDetails ON Orders.OrderID = OrderDetails.OrderID) INNER  JOIN
ApplicantPersonalDetails ON OrderDetails.OrderDetailID =  
ApplicantPersonalDetails.OrderDetailID) ON  
PostBasicCourseDetails.CourseCounter = OrderDetails.CourseCounter;
 
Regards
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Aug 18 10:32:27 2005
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 11:32:27 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Running an app from a service
Message-ID: <011101c5a40a$0d5a3110$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

I have created a service using VB.Net.  The service can be registered, once
registered I can start it etc.  It runs, with a timer tick writing a log to
application.log so I can see that the timer tick is happening.  Once I got
that working I went looking for how to run an external application from the
service.  The code I found looks like:

        Dim p As System.Diagnostics.Process
        p = System.Diagnostics.Process.Start("notepad.exe", "sample.txt")
        p.WaitForExit()

A couple of things.  Notepad is running, it can bee seen as a process in
Task Manager, but it is not visible, and it has not created sample.txt
AFAICT.  I found other code (in C# unfortunately) that looks something like:

        Dim p As System.Diagnostics.Process
        Dim psi As System.Diagnostics.ProcessStartInfo
        psi = System.Diagnostics.ProcessStartInfo
        psi.FileName = "notepad.exe"
        psi.Arguments = "sample.txt"
        psi.WorkingDirectory = "x:\Luminex"
        psi.WindowStyle = System.Diagnostics.ProcessWindowStyle.Maximized
        p = System.Diagnostics.Process.Start(psi)
        p.WaitForExit()

PSI appears to be a structure for loading properties that P will use.  

Even when done this way, the notepad is not visible.  Furthermore, in either
case the code does not wait... Or maybe the timer spawns a thread and will
fire again spawning another thread.  In other words, next timer tick I get
another instance of Notepad.  However... If I place a line of code that
writes to the log file before and after the call to the sub that opens
notebook, the line before the call to open the notepad does log, the line
after does not log.

So, I do not understand all that I know about this stuff.  If anyone has any
ideas how to make the process visible I would appreciate it.  I also do need
the code not run again until the app shuts down.  I think I can just shut
off the timer so I can handle it that way if the timer will fire again even
if the p.WaitFor() is in place.

Any comments?  Has anyone done this?

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu Aug 18 10:35:18 2005
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 08:35:18 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86873BCC@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Oooohhh, I think I'm in love!  <VBG>

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Shamil Salakhetdinov [mailto:shamil at users.mns.ru] 
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 4:46 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..


No, William, this is not replication - here is what I mean in short:

http://www.smsconsulting.spb.ru/shamil_s/articles/ddo.htm

Shamil

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From: "William Hindman" <dejpolsys at hotmail.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 3:47 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..


> Shamil
>
> ..I must be missing something ...that sounds like replication to me.
>
> William
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil at users.mns.ru>
> To: "!DBA-MAIN" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 7:28 PM
> Subject: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
>
>
> > Hi All,
> >
> > I wanted to ask you - what about the subject?
> > Anybody uses/interested to use MS Access client applications this 
> > way?
> >
> > Do I miss obvious (RTFM) stuff and such a disconnected mode is 
> > already implemented in MS Access and broadly used by MS Access 
> > developers? Yes,
I
> > know ADO recordsets can be used with bound MS Access forms etc. but 
> > this looks like a rather limited feature - am I wrong?
> >
> > What I mean is cashing data locally into mdbs, only the data needed 
> > for the currently open form(s) etc., processing this data and then 
> > updating backend
> > database(mdb, MSDE, MS SQL, whatever...) - with all this cashing and
> > updating made mostly automatically by a tiny framework code, based
on
> > ADO.NET...(yes, this local caching of data is not a new subject but
> > nowadays
> > it can be (re-)implement really scalable way with a way less efforts
than
> > before)
> >
> > Maybe MS plans to do something like that?
> >
> > Is that a wheel reinvention or anybody here sees such opportunity 
> > like a really useful feature in their real life projects?
> >
> > For me it looks like a useful feature because it could help: to get 
> > MS Access back into mainstream development area because it will 
> > allow to easily scale applications with MS Access front-ends...
> >
> > There are many other ideas but most of them in this "ideas pool" 
> > based
on
> > the subject one - if it doesn't make sense for real-life projects 
> > then
I'd
> > better stop working on it...
> >
> > What is your opinion about the subject?
> > When you expect MS will do something like that in MS Access?
> >
> > Thank you,
> > Shamil
> >
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From shamil at users.mns.ru  Thu Aug 18 10:24:24 2005
From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 19:24:24 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
References: <004b01c5a383$7bdab060$6401a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru><BAY103-DAV16092568B71CAA8F1065C4AEB30@phx.gbl><002001c5a3ea$66b59c60$6401a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru>
	<BAY103-DAV183C1F6BA7D1C1B03A41FAAEB20@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <003a01c5a40c$1e328f80$6401a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru>

William,

In fact this is an attempt to converge two Worlds.... And I don't mean USA
and Russia :) ...

It can be done almost transparently to your World, MS Access real life
programming World I mean...

No, I'm not talking about unbound vs. bound Worlds here - I have just said
this technique can be used by both these Worlds....

What is important to note I think is that MS is moving to "disconnected
World" (had moved in fact at last in .NET).
MS is moving also into "decoupled and highly cohesive "intelligent" objects
World" - and programming in such environment is very different experience...

...and it may become real World with the next version of MS Office/MS Access
(although I doubt it - to make MS Access working with ADO.NET they need to
have .NET Framework preinstalled on all the target PCs, which could be a
problem until W98, W2K, WinXP, which do not have native support for .NET
Framework are here and supported by MS (I can be wrong).)..

Yes, I know no need to care now probably about these coming changes.
When they will become reality then we will take care of that.
I undertsand this position.
Although with not that much efforts MS Access coupled with disconnected
ADO.NET World may become nowadays reality...

And when MS comes with their solution the transition could be almost
effortless and transparent because the current trend is rather clearly seen
as others answered to this thread approved...

Shamil

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From: "William Hindman" <dejpolsys at hotmail.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
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Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 4:10 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..


> ..thanks Shamil ...you work in another world ...and I don't mean Russia :)
>
> ..SQL Server is about as far afield as I ever get ...and unbound forms in
> Access, with few exceptions, are a curse upon mankind ...imnsho :)
>
> William
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil at users.mns.ru>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 7:45 AM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
>
>
> > No, William, this is not replication - here is what I mean in short:
> >
> > http://www.smsconsulting.spb.ru/shamil_s/articles/ddo.htm
> >
> > Shamil
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "William Hindman" <dejpolsys at hotmail.com>
> > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 3:47 AM
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
> >
> >
> >> Shamil
> >>
> >> ..I must be missing something ...that sounds like replication to me.
> >>
> >> William
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message ----- 
> >> From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil at users.mns.ru>
> >> To: "!DBA-MAIN" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> >> Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 7:28 PM
> >> Subject: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
> >>
> >>
> >> > Hi All,
> >> >
> >> > I wanted to ask you - what about the subject?
> >> > Anybody uses/interested to use MS Access client applications this
way?
> >> >
> >> > Do I miss obvious (RTFM) stuff and such a disconnected mode is
already
> >> > implemented in MS Access and broadly used by MS Access developers?
Yes,
> > I
> >> > know ADO recordsets can be used with bound MS Access forms etc. but
> >> > this
> >> > looks like a rather limited feature - am I wrong?
> >> >
> >> > What I mean is cashing data locally into mdbs, only the data needed
for
> >> > the
> >> > currently open form(s) etc., processing this data and then updating
> >> > backend
> >> > database(mdb, MSDE, MS SQL, whatever...) - with all this cashing and
> >> > updating made mostly automatically by a tiny framework code, based on
> >> > ADO.NET...(yes, this local caching of data is not a new subject but
> >> > nowadays
> >> > it can be (re-)implement really scalable way with a way less efforts
> > than
> >> > before)
> >> >
> >> > Maybe MS plans to do something like that?
> >> >
> >> > Is that a wheel reinvention or anybody here sees such opportunity
like
> >> > a
> >> > really useful feature in their real life projects?
> >> >
> >> > For me it looks like a useful feature because it could help: to get
MS
> >> > Access back into mainstream development area because it will allow to
> >> > easily
> >> > scale applications with MS Access front-ends...
> >> >
> >> > There are many other ideas but most of them in this "ideas pool"
based
> > on
> >> > the subject one - if it doesn't make sense for real-life projects
then
> > I'd
> >> > better stop working on it...
> >> >
> >> > What is your opinion about the subject?
> >> > When you expect MS will do something like that in MS Access?
> >> >
> >> > Thank you,
> >> > Shamil
> >> >
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From shamil at users.mns.ru  Thu Aug 18 10:45:54 2005
From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 19:45:54 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT(?): Big Design Up Front (BDUF) vs. XP any comments,
	ideas, experience?
References: <000301c5a3ec$a2806520$0300a8c0@danwaters>
Message-ID: <003b01c5a40c$1e5fe110$6401a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru>

Dan,

And I can't agree with Joel (and I usually admire most of his writing)....
I can't agree just because he used the words "anathema" and "fanatics".
When I hear such words I'm getting very suspicious...

No, XP "fanatics" do not refuse completely upfront design and specs.
They just say that any such designs and specs are a "subject to go nowehere"
while the project evolves - therefore designs and specs should be just
enough to not make severe design errors. They do use some upfront analysis
and design but they do use and apply it differently...

I'd better not talk here about all that - the books I referred are the best
advocates for XP and related subjects.
And the authors are very tolerant to other experience and techniques, in
fact they base there methodology on all the best experience from IT projects
developments of the last 50 years and on many other sources...

This is mentality shift, and I think it's coming - as I noted VS.NET 2005
acquired a lot of XP ideas and the trend is to develop them even more in
coming versions on VS.NET and MS Windows and MS Windows based middleware and
MS SQL Server....

Of course the truth is somewhere in between, if such truth exists at all and
I expect XP practioners are more close to this truth than BDUF advocates - I
think many of your have seen big specification books, which were written by
experts and which were paid big bucks to have been written but which were
thownn away almost immediately after first prototype was written - I have
seen that in a big software house in Germany, I did have such thick specs
from them with a lot of well written text and even screenshots - in three
months ater the project was started only the core idea of this project was
true, most of the specs stuff was obsolete, even more - it was wrong and it
didn't describe well real life customer's business. And the specs were
written IN CLOSE CONTACT with the customer. I have seen/heard about many of
such stories...

Once again XP practioners don't refuse upfront analysis and design - they do
it differently and they work in very close contact with the customer and
they usually (always) have in their teams subject business area
expert(s)....

"The time will put all the dots on 'I' "...

Shamil

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To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 4:01 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT(?): Big Design Up Front (BDUF) vs. XP any
comments,ideas, experience?


> I agree wholeheartedly with Joel.  I developed a spec where instead of the
> Quality Dept. initiating a record, it was initiated by the Purchasing
Dept.
> because they were the first group to become aware of the issue.  I
wouldn't
> have known that without investigating and understanding up front what the
> whole process was.  The Purchasing Dept. agreed pretty quickly that they
> could do this, particularly because having a software application to use
> instead of paper forms made it easy.
>
> The Quality Dept. was initiating because everyone assumed that it was a
> Quality process.  That was departmental thinking - it's whole company
> process thinking that really works.
>
> Dan Waters
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
> Salakhetdinov
> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 4:50 AM
> To: !DBA-MAIN
> Subject: [AccessD] OT(?): Big Design Up Front (BDUF) vs. XP any
> comments,ideas, experience?
>
> Hi All,
>
> I've got this this today from JoelOnSoftware subscription list:
>
> <<<<<<
> "As I worked through the screens that would be needed to allow
> either party to initiate the process, I realized that Aardvark
> would be just as useful, and radically simpler, if the helper
> was required to start the whole process. Making this change in
> the spec took an hour or two. If we had made this change in code,
> it would have added weeks to the schedule. I can't tell you how
> strongly I believe in Big Design Up Front, which the proponents
> of Extreme Programming consider anathema. I have consistently
> saved time and made better products by using BDUF and I'm proud
> to use it, no matter what the XP fanatics claim. They're just
> wrong on this point and I can't be any clearer than that."
>
> - From my latest article:
>
>   The Project Aardvark Spec
>   http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/AardvarkSpec.html
> >>>>>
> No comments.
>
> It happened that I'm currently reading:
>
> "Microsoft Object Thinking"
> by David West
> ISBN:0735619654
> Microsoft Press C 2004
>
> and
>
> "Extreme Programming Adventures in C# "
> by Ron Jeffries
> ISBN:0735619492
> Microsoft Press C 2004
>
> These two books are from Microsoft Press and they have a lot of useful
> information on eXterme Programming, Unit Testing and Classical(Behavioral)
> vs. currently existing in most implementations "real life" UML-based(RUP)
> OOD&P.
>
> When MS Press publishes books on such more computer-science than
> used in real life projects subjects then they are very probably
"cultivating
> the ground" for the soon to become true "dreams". (I remember I watched a
> movie "Microsoft, Year 2004"(form MS of course) somewhere in year 1995 or
> so - and as I see now their by that time science-fiction is now real-life,
> exactly in year 2004-2005.
>
> I must say I impressed with both books (and there are just a few technical
> books I liked because most of them are just "chewing" MSDN or other docs
> without almost any new ideas).
> The more I read them the more I like them and I see a lot of sense in what
> is written in them and I see a lot of my own ideas and experience are
there
> too.  I'm glad my thinking is in the mainstream (of course what they say
is
> much more elaborated and thought through and based on their own rich
> experience).
>
> So my guess/thinking is that XP, Unit Testing and Behavioral (Extreme)
> OOD&P are becoming mainstream for real-life development of the projects of
> any size - in fact as authors of these books state (based on  their
> experience)  that the stuff they are writing about is the "only" agile way
> to solve the challenges of nowadays customers and projects requests. And
> they are not fanatics I think - they base their writing on deep analysis
of
> all the previous 50 years experience in software development and not only
in
> software -  "Microsoft Object Thinking"  is more philosophical than
> technical book and it has quotes from Plato (year 400 B.C.) - these quotes
> are used to explain how to "attack" complicated/vague projects'
> requirements...
>
>
> What do you think about the subject and related issues?
>
> Do we need Access/VBA Unit Testing added here -
> http://opensourcetesting.org/unit_misc.php (Open source tools for software
> testing professionals) - it can be done - does it make sense?
>
> Shamil
>
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From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com  Thu Aug 18 10:48:39 2005
From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 11:48:39 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] copy string to clipboard
Message-ID: <1D7828CDB8350747AFE9D69E0E90DA1F1484BAEA@xlivmbx21.aig.com>

The original question was 'So how can I copy the value of this string to the
clipboard?'


-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 11:00 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] copy string to clipboard


Where is the matching ClipGetText?

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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 10:54 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] copy string to clipboard


Which is simpler

ClipPutText MyString 

Or 

Clipboard.SetText "Jim D"

Answer: they are both real simple.  But In the first case all you need is
the code for the ClipPutText routine stashed away in a module, which you can
then treat as a black box, and in the second case you have to distribute a
DLL and ensure that it gets registered properly (assuming the user has
privileges to register DLLs). I know which way I would go! :-)

Lambert

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim DeMarco
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 9:56 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] copy string to clipboard


If you have VB and don't mind shipping a dll with your app it's much
simpler.

<snip>
Clipboard.SetText "Jim D"
Me.Text1.Text = Clipboard.GetText
</snip>

Jim DeMarco

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 2:25 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] copy string to clipboard


Hi Bruce:

I have some code that I have been using for years, mostly for debugging
purposes. It just copies a string up into the clip board and it doesn't look
as ugly as the code from Terry Kreft.

The following code resides in a miodule declaration area:

<code>
'Whole bunch of APIs which allow text to be copied to clipboard... Private
Declare Function OpenClipboard Lib "User32" (ByVal hWnd&) As Long Private
Declare Function EmptyClipboard Lib "User32" () As Long Private Declare
Function GetClipboardData Lib "User32" (ByVal wFormat&) As Long Private
Declare Function SetClipboardData Lib "User32" (ByVal wFormat&, _
        ByVal hMem&) As Long
Private Declare Function CloseClipboard Lib "User32" () As Long ' Private
Declare Function GlobalAlloc Lib "kernel32" (ByVal wFlags&, _
        ByVal dwBytes&) As Long
Private Declare Function GlobalLock Lib "kernel32" (ByVal hMem&) As Long
Private Declare Function GlobalUnlock Lib "kernel32" (ByVal hMem&) As Long '
Private Declare Function lstrcpy Lib "kernel32" (ByVal lpString1 As Any, _
        ByVal lpString2 As Any) As Long
</code>

And the remainder is place in a module's function area:

<code>
Public Sub ClipPutText(lsText As String)
    ' Stores text on the clipboard

    Dim hMem As Long
    Const GHND = &H42
    
    hMem = GlobalAlloc(GHND, Len(lsText) + 1)
    lstrcpy GlobalLock(hMem), lsText
    If GlobalUnlock(hMem) = 0 Then
        If OpenClipboard(0&) <> 0 Then
            EmptyClipboard
            SetClipboardData 1, hMem
            CloseClipboard
        End If
    End If
    
End Sub
</code>

And it can be called from anywhere; forms, reports or modules like so:

ClipPutText MyString  'Place the string 'MyString into the clipboard


HTH
Jim
 
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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bruen, Bruce
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 7:29 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] copy string to clipboard

This must! be simple.
 
I have a string variable created by concatenating the values of several form
fields.  So how can I copy the value of this string to the clipboard?
 
Private Sub Command35_Click()
    Dim refstr As String
    refstr = "RCRef=|" & Me.ucref & "|" & Me.testname & "|" & Me.TestID &
"|"
    Debug.Print refstr
    Stop
    ':-( Runcmd accmdStickTheStringInTheClipboard :-(
End Sub
 
tia 
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Aug 18 11:02:08 2005
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 12:02:08 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] copy string to clipboard
In-Reply-To: <1D7828CDB8350747AFE9D69E0E90DA1F1484BAEA@xlivmbx21.aig.com>
Message-ID: <011701c5a40e$2f728960$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

LOL, OK, so now the question is... How can I copy the clipboard back to a
string...

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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 11:49 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] copy string to clipboard


The original question was 'So how can I copy the value of this string to the
clipboard?'


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 11:00 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] copy string to clipboard


Where is the matching ClipGetText?

John W. Colby
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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 10:54 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] copy string to clipboard


Which is simpler

ClipPutText MyString 

Or 

Clipboard.SetText "Jim D"

Answer: they are both real simple.  But In the first case all you need is
the code for the ClipPutText routine stashed away in a module, which you can
then treat as a black box, and in the second case you have to distribute a
DLL and ensure that it gets registered properly (assuming the user has
privileges to register DLLs). I know which way I would go! :-)

Lambert

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim DeMarco
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 9:56 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] copy string to clipboard


If you have VB and don't mind shipping a dll with your app it's much
simpler.

<snip>
Clipboard.SetText "Jim D"
Me.Text1.Text = Clipboard.GetText
</snip>

Jim DeMarco

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 2:25 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] copy string to clipboard


Hi Bruce:

I have some code that I have been using for years, mostly for debugging
purposes. It just copies a string up into the clip board and it doesn't look
as ugly as the code from Terry Kreft.

The following code resides in a miodule declaration area:

<code>
'Whole bunch of APIs which allow text to be copied to clipboard... Private
Declare Function OpenClipboard Lib "User32" (ByVal hWnd&) As Long Private
Declare Function EmptyClipboard Lib "User32" () As Long Private Declare
Function GetClipboardData Lib "User32" (ByVal wFormat&) As Long Private
Declare Function SetClipboardData Lib "User32" (ByVal wFormat&, _
        ByVal hMem&) As Long
Private Declare Function CloseClipboard Lib "User32" () As Long ' Private
Declare Function GlobalAlloc Lib "kernel32" (ByVal wFlags&, _
        ByVal dwBytes&) As Long
Private Declare Function GlobalLock Lib "kernel32" (ByVal hMem&) As Long
Private Declare Function GlobalUnlock Lib "kernel32" (ByVal hMem&) As Long '
Private Declare Function lstrcpy Lib "kernel32" (ByVal lpString1 As Any, _
        ByVal lpString2 As Any) As Long
</code>

And the remainder is place in a module's function area:

<code>
Public Sub ClipPutText(lsText As String)
    ' Stores text on the clipboard

    Dim hMem As Long
    Const GHND = &H42
    
    hMem = GlobalAlloc(GHND, Len(lsText) + 1)
    lstrcpy GlobalLock(hMem), lsText
    If GlobalUnlock(hMem) = 0 Then
        If OpenClipboard(0&) <> 0 Then
            EmptyClipboard
            SetClipboardData 1, hMem
            CloseClipboard
        End If
    End If
    
End Sub
</code>

And it can be called from anywhere; forms, reports or modules like so:

ClipPutText MyString  'Place the string 'MyString into the clipboard


HTH
Jim
 
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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bruen, Bruce
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 7:29 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] copy string to clipboard

This must! be simple.
 
I have a string variable created by concatenating the values of several form
fields.  So how can I copy the value of this string to the clipboard?
 
Private Sub Command35_Click()
    Dim refstr As String
    refstr = "RCRef=|" & Me.ucref & "|" & Me.testname & "|" & Me.TestID &
"|"
    Debug.Print refstr
    Stop
    ':-( Runcmd accmdStickTheStringInTheClipboard :-(
End Sub
 
tia 
bruce
 
 
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From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com  Thu Aug 18 11:03:23 2005
From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 12:03:23 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] copy string to clipboard
Message-ID: <1D7828CDB8350747AFE9D69E0E90DA1F1484BAFA@xlivmbx21.aig.com>


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 11:00 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] copy string to clipboard


Where is the matching ClipGetText?

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

------------------------
It's another simple API call...

Private Declare Function GetClipboardData Lib "user32" (ByVal wFormat As
Long) As Long

I've even got a simple class to take care of text to and from the clipboard
<g>

'*************************** clsClipBoard *************

Option Compare Database
Option Explicit



' Obtaining Clipboard Data using API
' (needed for VBA since no Clipboard Object) -- can also paste the data to a
control
' *************************************************************

' ******* Place following in declarations *********
Private Declare Function OpenClipboard Lib "user32" (ByVal hWnd As Long) As
Long
Private Declare Function CloseClipboard Lib "user32" () As Long
Private Declare Function EmptyClipboard Lib "user32" () As Long
Private Declare Function SetClipboardData Lib "user32" (ByVal wFormat As
Long, ByVal hMem As Long) As Long
Private Declare Function GetClipboardData Lib "user32" (ByVal wFormat As
Long) As Long
Private Declare Function GlobalAlloc Lib "kernel32" (ByVal wFlags&, ByVal
dwBytes As Long) As Long
Private Declare Function GlobalLock Lib "kernel32" (ByVal hMem As Long) As
Long
Private Declare Function GlobalUnlock Lib "kernel32" (ByVal hMem As Long) As
Long
Private Declare Function GlobalSize Lib "kernel32" (ByVal hMem As Long) As
Long
Private Declare Function lstrcpy Lib "kernel32" (ByVal lpString1 As Any,
ByVal lpString2 As Any) As Long

Const GHND = &H42
Const CF_TEXT = 1
Const MAXSIZE = 4096

Function GetTextData() As String
   Dim hClipMemory As Long
   Dim lpClipMemory As Long
   Dim MyString As String
   Dim RetVal As Long

   If OpenClipboard(0&) = 0 Then
      MsgBox "Cannot open Clipboard. Another app. may have it open", ,
"Clipboard"

      Exit Function
   End If

   ' Obtain the handle to the global memory
   ' block that is referencing the text.
   hClipMemory = GetClipboardData(CF_TEXT)
   If IsNull(hClipMemory) Then
      MsgBox "Could not allocate memory", , "Clipboard"
   Else
   
      ' Lock Clipboard memory so we can reference
      ' the actual data string.
      lpClipMemory = GlobalLock(hClipMemory)
   
      If Not IsNull(lpClipMemory) Then
   
         MyString = SPACE$(MAXSIZE)
         RetVal = lstrcpy(MyString, lpClipMemory)
         RetVal = GlobalUnlock(hClipMemory)
   
         ' Peel off the null terminating character.
         MyString = uMid(MyString, 1, InStr(1, MyString, Chr$(0), 0) - 1)
      Else
         MsgBox "Could not lock memory to copy string from.", , "Clipboard"
      End If
   
   End If

   RetVal = CloseClipboard()
   GetTextData = MyString

End Function

Sub SetTextData(MyString As String)
   Dim hGlobalMemory As Long, lpGlobalMemory As Long
   Dim hClipMemory As Long, x As Long

   ' Allocate movable global memory.
   '-------------------------------------------
   hGlobalMemory = GlobalAlloc(GHND, Len(MyString) + 1)

   ' Lock the block to get a far pointer
   ' to this memory.
   lpGlobalMemory = GlobalLock(hGlobalMemory)

   ' Copy the string to this global memory.
   lpGlobalMemory = lstrcpy(lpGlobalMemory, MyString)

   ' Unlock the memory.
   If GlobalUnlock(hGlobalMemory) <> 0 Then
      MsgBox "Could not unlock memory location. Copy aborted.", ,
"Clipboard"
   Else
      ' Open the Clipboard to copy data to.
      If OpenClipboard(0&) = 0 Then
         MsgBox "Could not open the Clipboard. Copy aborted.", , "Clipboard"
         Exit Sub
      End If
   
      ' Clear the Clipboard.
      x = EmptyClipboard()
   
      ' Copy the data to the Clipboard.
      hClipMemory = SetClipboardData(CF_TEXT, hGlobalMemory)
   End If

   If CloseClipboard() = 0 Then
      MsgBox "Could not close Clipboard.", , "Clipboard"
   End If

End Sub
   
'********************************************


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Aug 18 11:06:26 2005
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 12:06:26 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] copy string to clipboard
In-Reply-To: <1D7828CDB8350747AFE9D69E0E90DA1F1484BAFA@xlivmbx21.aig.com>
Message-ID: <011801c5a40e$c9819fa0$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

>I've even got a simple class to take care of text to and from the clipboard
<g>

And of course, so do I now, thanks to you.  <grin>  This is what makes this
group great.

John W. Colby
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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 12:03 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] copy string to clipboard



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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 11:00 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] copy string to clipboard


Where is the matching ClipGetText?

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

------------------------
It's another simple API call...

Private Declare Function GetClipboardData Lib "user32" (ByVal wFormat As
Long) As Long

I've even got a simple class to take care of text to and from the clipboard
<g>

'*************************** clsClipBoard *************

Option Compare Database
Option Explicit



' Obtaining Clipboard Data using API
' (needed for VBA since no Clipboard Object) -- can also paste the data to a
control ' *************************************************************

' ******* Place following in declarations *********
Private Declare Function OpenClipboard Lib "user32" (ByVal hWnd As Long) As
Long Private Declare Function CloseClipboard Lib "user32" () As Long Private
Declare Function EmptyClipboard Lib "user32" () As Long Private Declare
Function SetClipboardData Lib "user32" (ByVal wFormat As Long, ByVal hMem As
Long) As Long Private Declare Function GetClipboardData Lib "user32" (ByVal
wFormat As
Long) As Long
Private Declare Function GlobalAlloc Lib "kernel32" (ByVal wFlags&, ByVal
dwBytes As Long) As Long Private Declare Function GlobalLock Lib "kernel32"
(ByVal hMem As Long) As Long Private Declare Function GlobalUnlock Lib
"kernel32" (ByVal hMem As Long) As Long Private Declare Function GlobalSize
Lib "kernel32" (ByVal hMem As Long) As Long Private Declare Function lstrcpy
Lib "kernel32" (ByVal lpString1 As Any, ByVal lpString2 As Any) As Long

Const GHND = &H42
Const CF_TEXT = 1
Const MAXSIZE = 4096

Function GetTextData() As String
   Dim hClipMemory As Long
   Dim lpClipMemory As Long
   Dim MyString As String
   Dim RetVal As Long

   If OpenClipboard(0&) = 0 Then
      MsgBox "Cannot open Clipboard. Another app. may have it open", ,
"Clipboard"

      Exit Function
   End If

   ' Obtain the handle to the global memory
   ' block that is referencing the text.
   hClipMemory = GetClipboardData(CF_TEXT)
   If IsNull(hClipMemory) Then
      MsgBox "Could not allocate memory", , "Clipboard"
   Else
   
      ' Lock Clipboard memory so we can reference
      ' the actual data string.
      lpClipMemory = GlobalLock(hClipMemory)
   
      If Not IsNull(lpClipMemory) Then
   
         MyString = SPACE$(MAXSIZE)
         RetVal = lstrcpy(MyString, lpClipMemory)
         RetVal = GlobalUnlock(hClipMemory)
   
         ' Peel off the null terminating character.
         MyString = uMid(MyString, 1, InStr(1, MyString, Chr$(0), 0) - 1)
      Else
         MsgBox "Could not lock memory to copy string from.", , "Clipboard"
      End If
   
   End If

   RetVal = CloseClipboard()
   GetTextData = MyString

End Function

Sub SetTextData(MyString As String)
   Dim hGlobalMemory As Long, lpGlobalMemory As Long
   Dim hClipMemory As Long, x As Long

   ' Allocate movable global memory.
   '-------------------------------------------
   hGlobalMemory = GlobalAlloc(GHND, Len(MyString) + 1)

   ' Lock the block to get a far pointer
   ' to this memory.
   lpGlobalMemory = GlobalLock(hGlobalMemory)

   ' Copy the string to this global memory.
   lpGlobalMemory = lstrcpy(lpGlobalMemory, MyString)

   ' Unlock the memory.
   If GlobalUnlock(hGlobalMemory) <> 0 Then
      MsgBox "Could not unlock memory location. Copy aborted.", ,
"Clipboard"
   Else
      ' Open the Clipboard to copy data to.
      If OpenClipboard(0&) = 0 Then
         MsgBox "Could not open the Clipboard. Copy aborted.", , "Clipboard"
         Exit Sub
      End If
   
      ' Clear the Clipboard.
      x = EmptyClipboard()
   
      ' Copy the data to the Clipboard.
      hClipMemory = SetClipboardData(CF_TEXT, hGlobalMemory)
   End If

   If CloseClipboard() = 0 Then
      MsgBox "Could not close Clipboard.", , "Clipboard"
   End If

End Sub
   
'********************************************
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From dejpolsys at hotmail.com  Thu Aug 18 11:07:12 2005
From: dejpolsys at hotmail.com (William Hindman)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 12:07:12 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] A2000/3:Connecting to SQL Server
References: <010701c5a3fd$40a7f690$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <BAY103-DAV9605E9864FC55B34D65F6AEB20@phx.gbl>

Darren

..AccessD members Harkins and Martin have a book out "SQL: Access to SQL 
Server" that walks you right through this while holding your hand, and 
squeezing when necessary ...and if that isn't enough, they're both right 
here to dumb it down to where even I could understand it :)

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/customer-reviews/1893115305/ref=cm_cr_dp_pt/102-6279525-3247338?%5Fencoding=UTF8&n=507846&s=books

William

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To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
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Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 10:00 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2000/3:Connecting to SQL Server


> Darren,
>
> If the BE is in Access and needs to be upgraded to SQL Server, try the
> upgrade wizard.  I have run this on some fairly major Access Bes and it
> works pretty well.  The only issue I had was dates which have different
> ranges between Access and SQL.
>
>
> The idea is to get the BE upgrading without any issues (data all moves
> without errors), then put the FE back in the BE and run it one more time.
> The wizard will place the data in SQL Server and create ODBC connections
> between the FE (no data anymore) and SQL Server.  The ODBC connections 
> look
> for all the world like normal links and at that point your FE should 
> operate
> normally.  At least the FE will work now.  You can then start doing other
> things to make it faster, more robust etc.
>
> That's the "nutshell" version of the process.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
> http://folding.stanford.edu/
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darren Dick
> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 8:46 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving; Database Advisors
> Subject: [AccessD] A2000/3:Connecting to SQL Server
>
>
> Hello all
>
> New Job - Have to Learn SQL Server ASAP and MS Reporting Services.
>
> (Anyone know any good resources on MS Reporting Services?)
>
> Also I would like someone to hold my hand getting an ACCESS front end to
> talk with a SQL Server Backend.
>
> never done it - never had to - and I have no clue on how to do it. :-))
>
> Anyone wanna hold my hand  (No sweaty palms - I promise) or failing that
> some simple
>
> (and it really does have to be simple for me) tutorials?
>
> Many thanks
>
> Darren
>
>
>
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From cyx5 at cdc.gov  Thu Aug 18 11:08:02 2005
From: cyx5 at cdc.gov (Nicholson, Karen)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 12:08:02 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access to SQL
Message-ID: <A5B5AA20555F594BA7B6BD2048E49E4376FE45@m-niosh-5.niosh.cdc.gov>

Be careful when using the converter of its tendency to convert numbers
to BIT types.  Eventually, someone will put a null value in the field,
and Access gets mad.  Also, make sure if you are using SQL 2000 backend
with an Access 2003 front end that you watch out for the bug that
updates the wrong records in subforms if you base your query on a form.
With the nasty dates, I convert them in Access before updating to SQL to
avoid those headaches. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 11:27 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access to SQL

There is no DISTINCTROW keyword in SQL because you don't need it.  Just
drop that from your SQL statement and check the results.

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Johncliviger at aol.com [mailto:Johncliviger at aol.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 4:40 AM
To: accessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Access to SQL


Hi all
 
I've moved Access XP FE to ADP FE and the tables to SQL 2000 BE. I now
find 
that Select DistinctRow thats in Access XP has no equivalent in SQL
2000. 
What is the equivalent syntax?
 
for example have the following sql string works in Access without a
problem. 
Load it into ADP ...and its a no no.
 
Any suggestions?
 
SELECT DISTINCTROW ApplicantPersonalDetails.*,
OrderDetails.CourseCounter, 
OrderDetails.OrderID, Orders.ClientID,  Orders.OrderDate, 
Orders.InvoiceRequired, ClientPurchaser.ClientCode,
ClientPurchaser.Purchasers, 
ClientPurchaser.FirstName, ClientPurchaser.LastName,
PostBasicCourseDetails.CourseID, 
PostBasicCourseDetails.Date,  PostBasicCourseDetails.Course, 
PostBasicCourseDetails.Level,  PostBasicCourseDetails.Location,
PostBasicCourseDetails.Code,  
PostBasicCourseDetails.Length, PostBasicCourseDetails.Places,  
PostBasicCourseDetails.CourseLeader1,
PostBasicCourseDetails.CourseLeader2,  
PostBasicCourseDetails.Cost, PostBasicCourseDetails.Selection

FROM          PostBasicCourseDetails INNER  JOIN
(((ClientPurchaser INNER  JOIN
Orders ON ClientPurchaser.ClientID = Orders.ClientID) INNER  JOIN
OrderDetails ON Orders.OrderID = OrderDetails.OrderID) INNER  JOIN
ApplicantPersonalDetails ON OrderDetails.OrderDetailID =  
ApplicantPersonalDetails.OrderDetailID) ON  
PostBasicCourseDetails.CourseCounter = OrderDetails.CourseCounter;
 
Regards
johnc
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From artful at rogers.com  Thu Aug 18 11:21:00 2005
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 12:21:00 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT(?): Big Design Up Front (BDUF) vs. XP any comments,
	ideas, experience?
In-Reply-To: <002501c5a3da$451f62d0$6401a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru>
Message-ID: <200508181621.j7IGL3R26856@databaseadvisors.com>

About a decade ago I headed a development team for an insurance company.
Half the job was to take some mainframe programmers and acquaint them with
PC development tools and best practices. XP was not a big thing then, but I
improvised an approximation of it at that time. I started with 2
programmers, and had them sit with me as I coded. They were learning lots of
things at once -- syntax, editor keystrokes, shortcuts, etc. At first I was
moving so quickly that they couldn't even see what I was doing (particularly
in the editor itself), but a few explanations and we were over that hump.
The hardest thing to teach them was "1 proc does exactly one thing"... No,
upon reflection, the hardest thing to teach them was "avoid coding until the
last possible moment." The first two programmers then took on a programmer
each and repeated the "semester", as it were, and then those two took on a
programmer each. By the end of the project, we had a team of capable
programmers, and we stuck to the rule of "two programmers per keyboard" all
the way through the project. It worked brilliantly -- about equivalent to
debugging while writing the code. The second programmer might watch the
first start a recursive routine and say, "Hey, wait, let's break it out into
two routines and avoid the recursion problems." They might kick it around
for a bit before choosing one or the other approach, and also document why
they elected that choice.

I am _way_ big on BDUF! Avoid coding until the last possible moment --
that's my motto. I started out as a cowboy coder, but no more. I spend a
_lot_ of time db-design tools such as DeZign, and I don't even begin
creating sample data until I've been through about 3 revisions of the given
DB design. Then I write use-cases describing each function the software must
perform, using English not pseudo-code -- in fact, I have learned to avoid
any specific references to tables, and instead to write such statements as,
"When the user selects a product and quantity she wishes to buy, place a
5-minute hold on that quantity. When the user's credit card payment is
authorized, deplete inventory by the specified quantity and remove the
hold."

Once the DB design is finalized, and the purpose of each table, view, sproc
and UDF described, then even a relatively new hire can take the spec
described above and implement it easily. In the example I gave, there are
the following steps:

1. Obtain the product ID and desired quantity
2. Check to see said quantity exists (we'll sidestep the issue of
back-orders for now).
3. Place a hold on said quantity, with a timer mechanism of some sort (SQL
Server is great at this, much better than an Access timer).
4. Obtain the credit card info, fire it off and check the return status.
5. If the payment went through, deplete the quantity available. 
6. Remove the hold.

Each of these steps can be reduced to exactly one procedure. You (as
manager) could even assign each step to a different programmer. So long as
the DB design is solid, there should be no issues.

I haven't read either book you mentioned, but I'll put them on my list of
things to read.

Arthur

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
Salakhetdinov
Sent: August 18, 2005 5:50 AM
To: !DBA-MAIN
Subject: [AccessD] OT(?): Big Design Up Front (BDUF) vs. XP any
comments,ideas, experience?

Hi All,

I've got this this today from JoelOnSoftware subscription list:

<<<<<<
"As I worked through the screens that would be needed to allow
either party to initiate the process, I realized that Aardvark
would be just as useful, and radically simpler, if the helper
was required to start the whole process. Making this change in
the spec took an hour or two. If we had made this change in code,
it would have added weeks to the schedule. I can't tell you how
strongly I believe in Big Design Up Front, which the proponents
of Extreme Programming consider anathema. I have consistently
saved time and made better products by using BDUF and I'm proud
to use it, no matter what the XP fanatics claim. They're just
wrong on this point and I can't be any clearer than that."

- From my latest article:

  The Project Aardvark Spec
  http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/AardvarkSpec.html
>>>>>
No comments.

It happened that I'm currently reading:

"Microsoft Object Thinking"
by David West
ISBN:0735619654
Microsoft Press C 2004

and

"Extreme Programming Adventures in C# "
by Ron Jeffries
ISBN:0735619492
Microsoft Press C 2004

These two books are from Microsoft Press and they have a lot of useful
information on eXterme Programming, Unit Testing and Classical(Behavioral)
vs. currently existing in most implementations "real life" UML-based(RUP)
OOD&P.

When MS Press publishes books on such more computer-science than
used in real life projects subjects then they are very probably "cultivating
the ground" for the soon to become true "dreams". (I remember I watched a
movie "Microsoft, Year 2004"(form MS of course) somewhere in year 1995 or
so - and as I see now their by that time science-fiction is now real-life,
exactly in year 2004-2005.

I must say I impressed with both books (and there are just a few technical
books I liked because most of them are just "chewing" MSDN or other docs
without almost any new ideas).
The more I read them the more I like them and I see a lot of sense in what
is written in them and I see a lot of my own ideas and experience are there
too.  I'm glad my thinking is in the mainstream (of course what they say is
much more elaborated and thought through and based on their own rich
experience).

So my guess/thinking is that XP, Unit Testing and Behavioral (Extreme)
OOD&P are becoming mainstream for real-life development of the projects of
any size - in fact as authors of these books state (based on  their
experience)  that the stuff they are writing about is the "only" agile way
to solve the challenges of nowadays customers and projects requests. And
they are not fanatics I think - they base their writing on deep analysis of
all the previous 50 years experience in software development and not only in
software -  "Microsoft Object Thinking"  is more philosophical than
technical book and it has quotes from Plato (year 400 B.C.) - these quotes
are used to explain how to "attack" complicated/vague projects'
requirements...


What do you think about the subject and related issues?

Do we need Access/VBA Unit Testing added here -
http://opensourcetesting.org/unit_misc.php (Open source tools for software
testing professionals) - it can be done - does it make sense?

Shamil

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From ssharkins at bellsouth.net  Thu Aug 18 11:22:12 2005
From: ssharkins at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 12:22:12 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] A2000/3:Connecting to SQL Server
In-Reply-To: <BAY103-DAV9605E9864FC55B34D65F6AEB20@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <20050818162214.CQHN11342.ibm68aec.bellsouth.net@SUSANONE>

Martin is the mastermind of that section. :) 

Thanks William!

Susan H. 

Darren

..AccessD members Harkins and Martin have a book out "SQL: Access to SQL
Server" that walks you right through this while holding your hand, and
squeezing when necessary ...and if that isn't enough, they're both right
here to dumb it down to where even I could understand it :)

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/customer-reviews/1893115305/ref=cm_cr_dp_pt
/102-6279525-3247338?%5Fencoding=UTF8&n=507846&s=books




From dejpolsys at hotmail.com  Thu Aug 18 11:31:58 2005
From: dejpolsys at hotmail.com (William Hindman)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 12:31:58 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] A2000/3:Connecting to SQL Server
References: <20050818162214.CQHN11342.ibm68aec.bellsouth.net@SUSANONE>
Message-ID: <BAY103-DAV121A337696A2BA66BB9432AEB20@phx.gbl>

..de nada ...I used it again this morning which is why it was on my mind 
..walk in the park :)

William

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From: "Susan Harkins" <ssharkins at bellsouth.net>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
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Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 12:22 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2000/3:Connecting to SQL Server


> Martin is the mastermind of that section. :)
>
> Thanks William!
>
> Susan H.
>
> Darren
>
> ..AccessD members Harkins and Martin have a book out "SQL: Access to SQL
> Server" that walks you right through this while holding your hand, and
> squeezing when necessary ...and if that isn't enough, they're both right
> here to dumb it down to where even I could understand it :)
>
> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/customer-reviews/1893115305/ref=cm_cr_dp_pt
> /102-6279525-3247338?%5Fencoding=UTF8&n=507846&s=books
>
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Aug 18 11:33:59 2005
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 12:33:59 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] copy string to clipboard
In-Reply-To: <1D7828CDB8350747AFE9D69E0E90DA1F1484BAFA@xlivmbx21.aig.com>
Message-ID: <011a01c5a412$a2a69580$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

Lambert,

Doesn't the clipboard allow multiple things to be placed in it?  I see this
effect with certain applications where the clipboard offers you the ability
to choose which item on the clipboard is the one you want.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 12:03 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] copy string to clipboard



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 11:00 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] copy string to clipboard


Where is the matching ClipGetText?

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

------------------------
It's another simple API call...

Private Declare Function GetClipboardData Lib "user32" (ByVal wFormat As
Long) As Long

I've even got a simple class to take care of text to and from the clipboard
<g>

'*************************** clsClipBoard *************

Option Compare Database
Option Explicit



' Obtaining Clipboard Data using API
' (needed for VBA since no Clipboard Object) -- can also paste the data to a
control ' *************************************************************

' ******* Place following in declarations *********
Private Declare Function OpenClipboard Lib "user32" (ByVal hWnd As Long) As
Long Private Declare Function CloseClipboard Lib "user32" () As Long Private
Declare Function EmptyClipboard Lib "user32" () As Long Private Declare
Function SetClipboardData Lib "user32" (ByVal wFormat As Long, ByVal hMem As
Long) As Long Private Declare Function GetClipboardData Lib "user32" (ByVal
wFormat As
Long) As Long
Private Declare Function GlobalAlloc Lib "kernel32" (ByVal wFlags&, ByVal
dwBytes As Long) As Long Private Declare Function GlobalLock Lib "kernel32"
(ByVal hMem As Long) As Long Private Declare Function GlobalUnlock Lib
"kernel32" (ByVal hMem As Long) As Long Private Declare Function GlobalSize
Lib "kernel32" (ByVal hMem As Long) As Long Private Declare Function lstrcpy
Lib "kernel32" (ByVal lpString1 As Any, ByVal lpString2 As Any) As Long

Const GHND = &H42
Const CF_TEXT = 1
Const MAXSIZE = 4096

Function GetTextData() As String
   Dim hClipMemory As Long
   Dim lpClipMemory As Long
   Dim MyString As String
   Dim RetVal As Long

   If OpenClipboard(0&) = 0 Then
      MsgBox "Cannot open Clipboard. Another app. may have it open", ,
"Clipboard"

      Exit Function
   End If

   ' Obtain the handle to the global memory
   ' block that is referencing the text.
   hClipMemory = GetClipboardData(CF_TEXT)
   If IsNull(hClipMemory) Then
      MsgBox "Could not allocate memory", , "Clipboard"
   Else
   
      ' Lock Clipboard memory so we can reference
      ' the actual data string.
      lpClipMemory = GlobalLock(hClipMemory)
   
      If Not IsNull(lpClipMemory) Then
   
         MyString = SPACE$(MAXSIZE)
         RetVal = lstrcpy(MyString, lpClipMemory)
         RetVal = GlobalUnlock(hClipMemory)
   
         ' Peel off the null terminating character.
         MyString = uMid(MyString, 1, InStr(1, MyString, Chr$(0), 0) - 1)
      Else
         MsgBox "Could not lock memory to copy string from.", , "Clipboard"
      End If
   
   End If

   RetVal = CloseClipboard()
   GetTextData = MyString

End Function

Sub SetTextData(MyString As String)
   Dim hGlobalMemory As Long, lpGlobalMemory As Long
   Dim hClipMemory As Long, x As Long

   ' Allocate movable global memory.
   '-------------------------------------------
   hGlobalMemory = GlobalAlloc(GHND, Len(MyString) + 1)

   ' Lock the block to get a far pointer
   ' to this memory.
   lpGlobalMemory = GlobalLock(hGlobalMemory)

   ' Copy the string to this global memory.
   lpGlobalMemory = lstrcpy(lpGlobalMemory, MyString)

   ' Unlock the memory.
   If GlobalUnlock(hGlobalMemory) <> 0 Then
      MsgBox "Could not unlock memory location. Copy aborted.", ,
"Clipboard"
   Else
      ' Open the Clipboard to copy data to.
      If OpenClipboard(0&) = 0 Then
         MsgBox "Could not open the Clipboard. Copy aborted.", , "Clipboard"
         Exit Sub
      End If
   
      ' Clear the Clipboard.
      x = EmptyClipboard()
   
      ' Copy the data to the Clipboard.
      hClipMemory = SetClipboardData(CF_TEXT, hGlobalMemory)
   End If

   If CloseClipboard() = 0 Then
      MsgBox "Could not close Clipboard.", , "Clipboard"
   End If

End Sub
   
'********************************************
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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Thu Aug 18 11:27:33 2005
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 09:27:33 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Ajax and Atlas with XML
References: <0ILC0076JFIZDV@l-daemon>
Message-ID: <4304B6F5.6030708@shaw.ca>

Ah,  I knew why I didn't look at AJAX and ASP.Net 1.0 way back when.
It is a lot easier to do now with ASP.Net 2.0 but it is still Beta 2.0

ASP.NET V1.0 and V1.1 have no explicit support for this technology
ASP.NET V2.0 contains out-of-the-box support for asynchronous client 
script callbacks
and provides a fairly simple way to register the callback methods,
invoke them, and handle any associated errors with RaiseCallbackEvent
However the xmlhttp request object does have a deferred callback.

 From this months Simple Talk The journal for Microsoft technology 
developers and DBAs

Asynchronous client script callback for ASP.Net 2.0

http://www.simple-talk.com/2005/08/10/asynchronous-client-script-callbacks/

Asynchronous Web Service Calls over HTTP with the .NET Framework using 
ASP.Net 1.0
Old ASP.Net  1.0 method complicated and falls over in certain situations

http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dnservice/html/service09032002.asp

This article gives good diagrams on asynch/synch methods
Jesse James Garrett
http://www.adaptivepath.com/publications/essays/archives/000385.php



Jim Lawrence wrote:

>Marty what do you mean 'No dancing Hamster'! :-(
>
>What is your opinion on the AJAX.Net variation on AJAX which seems to be the
>hottest ticket?
>
>Jim
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
>Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 5:10 PM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ajax and Atlas with XML
>
>Nope that is it, all there is in the one xml element, no dancing hamsters
>
>This site will give you a better idea but more html code needed
>Click on 
>
>Drop Downs & Form Handling <javascript: toggleDiv('div_dropdowns')>
>
>then click states states
>
>http://www.clearnova.com/ajax/index.html
>
>
>Jim Lawrence wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Hi Marty:
>>
>>Just a note the Server page update sample. 
>>
>>It initially shows the following line: This is some sample data. It is the
>>default data for this web page. View XML data.
>>
>>.. and when clicking on the link: View XML data
>>
>>.. the line then displays: This is some sample data. It is stored in an XML
>>file and retrieved by JavaScript.
>>
>>.. and that is all. Is there supposed to be more displayed?
>>
>>Jim
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
>>Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 12:50 PM
>>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>Subject: [AccessD] Ajax and Atlas with XML
>>
>>If looking for xml info starter sites.
>>
>>http://www.xml.org
>>http://www.xml.com
>>A vb oriented site was once vbxml.com
>>http://www.topxml.com
>>
>>Try to buy XML books published in last 3 years otherwise
>>you wont get latest in XSLT and  XQuery. Old books maybe based on old 
>>XSL patterns
>>which might prove confusing.
>>
>>
>>Now here is the latest buzz in XML development with AJAX.
>>
>>In computer programming, AJAX (Asynchronous JavaScript and XML) is a 
>>method of building interactive applications for the Web that process 
>>user requests immediately.Ajax allows content on Web pages to update 
>>immediately when a user performs an action, unlike an HTTP request, 
>>during which users must wait for a whole new page to load. For example, 
>>a weather forecasting site could display local conditions on one side of 
>>the page without delay after a user types in a zip code.
>>Google Map works this way. ATLAS is a downloadable javascript engine 
>>Microsoft  is supposed to bring out in September at some convention.
>>
>>How difficult is this stuff well it is not rocket science. But an 
>>amalgam of 4 or 5 techniques. Ajax combines several programming tools 
>>including JavaScript, dynamic HTML (DHTML), Extensible Markup Language 
>>(XML), cascading style sheets (CSS), the Document Object Model (DOM), 
>>and the Microsoft object, XMLHttpRequest. After that you can use Web 
>>Services to grab the xml data. You could modify javascript to VBA too 
>>for use in Access.
>>
>>Some sites where you can grab javascript source and  examples of Ajax or 
>>download them
>>
>>http://www.clearnova.com/ajax/index.html
>>http://developer.apple.com/internet/webcontent/XMLHttpRequestExample/exampl
>>    
>>
>e
>  
>
>>.html
>>
>>Articles
>>Dynamic HTML and xmlhttpRequest object
>>http://developer.apple.com/internet/webcontent/xmlhttpreq.html
>>
>>Jesse Garrett  What is Ajax?  (The guy that gave it the name)
>>http://www.adaptivepath.com/publications/essays/archives/000385.php
>>
>>
>>Here is a elementary ajax sample just place the two files on your web 
>>server and run with java script enabled
>>through your favourite browser.
>>
>>You can also run from hard disk directly in Netscape 7.0 but IE locally 
>>has security stops and uses file: protocol and not http: protocol so 
>>wont run correctly
>>without a lot of  fiddling with settings. Rather than use a object; 
>>might use document.innerhtml to get around for local use.
>>
>>On my server these two files  
>>http://www5.brinkster.com/mconnelly/ajax/ajax.html
>>
>>Save this file as UTF-8 not ANSI   ajax.html
>>
>><!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN"
>> "http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd">
>><html lang="en" dir="ltr">
>> <head>
>>   <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html;
>>    
>>
>charset=iso-8859-1">
>  
>
>>   <title>Developing Web Applications with Ajax - Example</title>
>><script type="text/javascript"><!--
>>function ajaxRead(file){
>> var xmlObj = null;
>> if(window.XMLHttpRequest){
>>     xmlObj = new XMLHttpRequest();
>> } else if(window.ActiveXObject){
>>     xmlObj = new ActiveXObject("Microsoft.XMLHTTP");
>> } else {
>>     return;
>> }
>> xmlObj.onreadystatechange = function(){
>>   if(xmlObj.readyState == 4){
>>      updateObj('xmlObj', 
>>xmlObj.responseXML.getElementsByTagName('data')[0].firstChild.data);
>>    }
>>   }
>>   xmlObj.open ('GET', file, true);
>>   xmlObj.send ('');
>> }
>> function updateObj(obj, data){
>>  document.getElementById(obj).firstChild.data = data;
>> }
>> //--></script>
>> </head>
>> <body>
>>   <h1>Developing Web Applications with Ajax</h1>
>>   <p>This page demonstrates the use of Asynchronous Javascript and XML 
>>(Ajax) technology to
>>   update a web page's content by reading from a remote file 
>>dynamically -- no page reloading
>>   is required. Note that this operation does not work for users 
>>without JavaScript enabled.</p>
>>   <p id="xmlObj">
>>   This is some sample data. It is the default data for this web page. 
>><a href="data.xml"
>>   title="View the XML data." onclick="ajaxRead('data.xml'); 
>>this.style.display='none'; return false">View XML     data.</a>
>>   </p>
>> </body>
>></html>
>>
>>
>>Save this file below as UTF-8 data.xml
>>
>><?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
>><root>
>> <data>
>>   This is some sample data. It is stored in an XML file and retrieved 
>>by JavaScript.
>> </data>
>></root>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Gustav Brock wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>>    
>>
>>>Hi Bryan
>>>
>>>So no job? Or wife?? Is that what you are trying to tell?
>>>On the other hand (for the job option, cannot tell for the wife
>>>option), with your knowledge I would expect it to be easy for you to
>>>find some "new challenges" except, of course, if things are a little
>>>more complicated than they may appear to be ...
>>>
>>>Currently I'm facing some XML work. Haven't done anything with this and
>>>Access and hardly know where to look except browsing this list ...
>>>So an XML cookbook or guide is a suggestion.
>>>
>>>/gustav
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>   
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>>>>carbonnb at sympatico.ca 08/16 3:45 am >>>
>>>>>>      
>>>>>>
>>>>>>         
>>>>>>
>>>>>>            
>>>>>>
>>>I have found myself in a situation that gives me an inordinate amount 
>>>of free time and I'm looking for some ideas to fill my time.
>>>
>>>I am thinking of something that would make development easier or a 
>>>specifc app that would greatly help developers. I need something to 
>>>keep my mind active and fingers busy :)
>>>
>>>It can be anything from Access to Word to Excel (Office 2K), even VB 
>>>6.
>>>
>>>I'm open to any and all suggestion. And If I can learn something new, 
>>>that would be even better.
>>>
>>>Let the flood gates open :-)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>   
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>> 
>>
>>    
>>
>
>  
>

-- 
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada





From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com  Thu Aug 18 11:49:20 2005
From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 12:49:20 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] copy string to clipboard
Message-ID: <1D7828CDB8350747AFE9D69E0E90DA1F1484BB2B@xlivmbx21.aig.com>

It sure does, but my simple class only handles text. With sufficient
research it could be extended to handle other types of data.

Lambert

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 12:34 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] copy string to clipboard


Lambert,

Doesn't the clipboard allow multiple things to be placed in it?  I see this
effect with certain applications where the clipboard offers you the ability
to choose which item on the clipboard is the one you want.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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http://folding.stanford.edu/


From shamil at users.mns.ru  Thu Aug 18 12:02:24 2005
From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 21:02:24 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86873BCC@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <005201c5a416$a43268d0$6401a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru>

Charlotte,

Your <VBG> means you're interested in continuation of this subject/thread
or...?
In my plans is to extend and make all the source code available.
How soon it will happen this is an open question - I have an urgent project
here.
But I do plan to continue this thread and work if this looks interesting for
you and others here.
Maybe even make it open source project here when first useful results will
be achieved?
It would be interesting I guess to make it also XP(eXtreme Programming)
style work with your being subject area expert - I mean your best knowing in
what scenarios and in what business areas is the best to use MS Access in
bound but disconnected mode with most of the software (MS Access FE
databases) developed by power users but integrated by "mighty MS Access
developers"? :)

I know how to do all that, I know how to make MS Access applications
assembly factories etc. - I have all that experience and I can share it
if/when I will have spare time - is that interesting?

Shamil


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 7:35 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..


> Oooohhh, I think I'm in love!  <VBG>
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Shamil Salakhetdinov [mailto:shamil at users.mns.ru]
> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 4:46 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
>
>
> No, William, this is not replication - here is what I mean in short:
>
> http://www.smsconsulting.spb.ru/shamil_s/articles/ddo.htm
>
> Shamil
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "William Hindman" <dejpolsys at hotmail.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 3:47 AM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
>
>
> > Shamil
> >
> > ..I must be missing something ...that sounds like replication to me.
> >
> > William
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil at users.mns.ru>
> > To: "!DBA-MAIN" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 7:28 PM
> > Subject: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
> >
> >
> > > Hi All,
> > >
> > > I wanted to ask you - what about the subject?
> > > Anybody uses/interested to use MS Access client applications this
> > > way?
> > >
> > > Do I miss obvious (RTFM) stuff and such a disconnected mode is
> > > already implemented in MS Access and broadly used by MS Access
> > > developers? Yes,
> I
> > > know ADO recordsets can be used with bound MS Access forms etc. but
> > > this looks like a rather limited feature - am I wrong?
> > >
> > > What I mean is cashing data locally into mdbs, only the data needed
> > > for the currently open form(s) etc., processing this data and then
> > > updating backend
> > > database(mdb, MSDE, MS SQL, whatever...) - with all this cashing and
> > > updating made mostly automatically by a tiny framework code, based
> on
> > > ADO.NET...(yes, this local caching of data is not a new subject but
> > > nowadays
> > > it can be (re-)implement really scalable way with a way less efforts
> than
> > > before)
> > >
> > > Maybe MS plans to do something like that?
> > >
> > > Is that a wheel reinvention or anybody here sees such opportunity
> > > like a really useful feature in their real life projects?
> > >
> > > For me it looks like a useful feature because it could help: to get
> > > MS Access back into mainstream development area because it will
> > > allow to easily scale applications with MS Access front-ends...
> > >
> > > There are many other ideas but most of them in this "ideas pool"
> > > based
> on
> > > the subject one - if it doesn't make sense for real-life projects
> > > then
> I'd
> > > better stop working on it...
> > >
> > > What is your opinion about the subject?
> > > When you expect MS will do something like that in MS Access?
> > >
> > > Thank you,
> > > Shamil
> > >
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From shamil at users.mns.ru  Thu Aug 18 11:45:01 2005
From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 20:45:01 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8689A806@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <005101c5a416$a4051740$6401a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru>

>  If they would only consider it a development
> tool instead of a power user toy.
They(MS) seems to have VS.NET as a mainstream development tool with MS
Access becoming just a power-user toy?

> MS is moving toward XML as
> their datastore of choice for this kind of caching, and it certainly
> works and has been fairly easy to implement since at least Access 2000.
OK, what I see as the problem with all that is that when cached locally as
XML/ADO.NET datasets(behind WinForms) and one needs to implement front-end
advanced business logic they need to program a lot using navigational data
processing methods. And even ADO.NET isn' a solution here.
And if cached locally in MDB or MSDE database SQL-based(SQL as data
manipulation language I mean)  set-oriented data processing methods can be
used - so in an ideal case there will be no need to program that much
business logic for front-end applications because SQL is a very powerful
language...

> SWAG based on working extensively with VB.Net and speculating.
Sorry, what SWAG means?

>  Given
> that the next version of Access may not be available for a year or so
> and is bound to have problems at first, I think something that could be
> used now and with versions earlier than 2003 (which has its own
> problems!) is entirely sensible.
Agreed! :)
Thank you for your approval of my expectations in this area!

Shamil


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 4:42 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..


> Shamil,
>
> It looks to me like that is where MS is going with .Net, so it would be
> logical to take Access in that direction as well ... If they would only
> consider it a development tool instead of a power user toy.  I've
> certainly built applications in the past using that concept with ADO and
> unbound forms. (Hush, John, I don't want to hear about it!<g>)  I think
> we often fall back to the built in stuff because it is quick and easy,
> even though it is not necessarily efficient.  MS is moving toward XML as
> their datastore of choice for this kind of caching, and it certainly
> works and has been fairly easy to implement since at least Access 2000.
> I would expect the capability to be expanded in the next version of
> Access when it starts to catch up with Word and Excel, but that's just a
> SWAG based on working extensively with VB.Net and speculating.  Given
> that the next version of Access may not be available for a year or so
> and is bound to have problems at first, I think something that could be
> used now and with versions earlier than 2003 (which has its own
> problems!) is entirely sensible.
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Shamil Salakhetdinov [mailto:shamil at users.mns.ru]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 4:29 PM
> To: !DBA-MAIN
> Subject: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
>
>
> Hi All,
>
> I wanted to ask you - what about the subject?
> Anybody uses/interested to use MS Access client applications this way?
>
> Do I miss obvious (RTFM) stuff and such a disconnected mode is already
> implemented in MS Access and broadly used by MS Access developers? Yes,
> I know ADO recordsets can be used with bound MS Access forms etc. but
> this looks like a rather limited feature - am I wrong?
>
> What I mean is cashing data locally into mdbs, only the data needed for
> the currently open form(s) etc., processing this data and then updating
> backend database(mdb, MSDE, MS SQL, whatever...) - with all this cashing
> and updating made mostly automatically by a tiny framework code, based
> on ADO.NET...(yes, this local caching of data is not a new subject but
> nowadays it can be (re-)implement really scalable way with a way less
> efforts than
> before)
>
> Maybe MS plans to do something like that?
>
> Is that a wheel reinvention or anybody here sees such opportunity like a
> really useful feature in their real life projects?
>
> For me it looks like a useful feature because it could help: to get MS
> Access back into mainstream development area because it will allow to
> easily scale applications with MS Access front-ends...
>
> There are many other ideas but most of them in this "ideas pool" based
> on the subject one - if it doesn't make sense for real-life projects
> then I'd better stop working on it...
>
> What is your opinion about the subject?
> When you expect MS will do something like that in MS Access?
>
> Thank you,
> Shamil
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From shamil at users.mns.ru  Thu Aug 18 11:31:08 2005
From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 20:31:08 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
References: <0ILE00F3C5C7HZ@l-daemon>
Message-ID: <005001c5a416$a3d7ecc0$6401a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru>

Jim,

I did also work disconnected but mainly bound way since MS Access 2.0.
This wasn't my wish - customer wanted that, or I'd better say they did have
a spec where diconnected mode was used, then they decided to use MS Access
2.0 as a development tool and then they found myself and I have had nothing
to do that implement this disconnedt mode in MS Access 2.0. It worked well.
Then I worked as a small team manager here and we used disconnected bound
solution with MS Access 97 for a big accounting project etc.

>  I think ADO.Net is the same thing but
> with an automatic transmission and slick features
ADO.NET and .NET Framework allow to implement this mode in a tiny framework,
which can be used from within MS Access or other applications. This isn't
possible with ADO - or I'd better say it's a complicated and time consuming
task if ADO is used.

> M$ has finally, fully embraced this concept and I feel that is
> where the next versions of Access are going.
My bet they will have that not in the next version of MS Access but the one
after it :)

Thank you for your sharing of your experience in this area and for your
opinion!
Shamil

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 4:00 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..


> Hi Shamil:
>
> I have only (mostly) been using a style of disconnected ADO recordsets
with
> Access since 97-98. I use an Access FE for all sorts of DBs like Oracle/MS
> SQL, MySQL* (*though it needs an ODBC connection :-( ) and even MDB (but
> mostly just for temp files), singularly or in groups. The process is just
so
> fast, attaches through any reasonable connection and requires very few BE
DB
> licenses... clients save a bundle. I think ADO.Net is the same thing but
> with an automatic transmission and slick features. It should eliminate a
lot
> of coding. M$ has finally, fully embraced this concept and I feel that is
> where the next versions of Access are going.
>
> This is all my opinion of course and not meant to insight a riot.
>
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
> Salakhetdinov
> Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 4:29 PM
> To: !DBA-MAIN
> Subject: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
>
> Hi All,
>
> I wanted to ask you - what about the subject?
> Anybody uses/interested to use MS Access client applications this way?
>
> Do I miss obvious (RTFM) stuff and such a disconnected mode is already
> implemented in MS Access and broadly used by MS Access developers? Yes, I
> know ADO recordsets can be used with bound MS Access forms etc. but this
> looks like a rather limited feature - am I wrong?
>
> What I mean is cashing data locally into mdbs, only the data needed for
the
> currently open form(s) etc., processing this data and then updating
backend
> database(mdb, MSDE, MS SQL, whatever...) - with all this cashing and
> updating made mostly automatically by a tiny framework code, based on
> ADO.NET...(yes, this local caching of data is not a new subject but
nowadays
> it can be (re-)implement really scalable way with a way less efforts than
> before)
>
> Maybe MS plans to do something like that?
>
> Is that a wheel reinvention or anybody here sees such opportunity like a
> really useful feature in their real life projects?
>
> For me it looks like a useful feature because it could help: to get MS
> Access back into mainstream development area because it will allow to
easily
> scale applications with MS Access front-ends...
>
> There are many other ideas but most of them in this "ideas pool" based on
> the subject one - if it doesn't make sense for real-life projects then I'd
> better stop working on it...
>
> What is your opinion about the subject?
> When you expect MS will do something like that in MS Access?
>
> Thank you,
> Shamil
>
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From shamil at users.mns.ru  Thu Aug 18 12:15:16 2005
From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 21:15:16 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT(?): Big Design Up Front (BDUF) vs. XP any comments,
	ideas, experience?
References: <200508181621.j7IGL3R26856@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <009401c5a418$6a77e5a0$6401a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru>

<<<
I am _way_ big on BDUF! Avoid coding until the last possible moment --
that's my motto.
>>>
Arthur, but what you described  and you said "it worked brilliantly" - this
is more XP than anything else, isn't it?

Yes, I understand you're writing specs and you do a lot of upfront design -
it may happen it's not needed to do them that much upfront?
I'm not XP advocate (yet) - I'm just learning it and yet to see really big
projects developed this way but my feelings are that it's very promising and
it should give higher percent of positive results than BDUF does give - 60%
of projects fail, many go a way out of budget etc.  - these are
statistics...

No, I do not want to make "BDUF vs. XP" yet another "religious" debate
here  - I'm trying to find my best way "in between" of these two working
approaches by sharing my experience and by acquiring yours...

Shamil

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Arthur Fuller" <artful at rogers.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 8:21 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT(?): Big Design Up Front (BDUF) vs. XP any
comments,ideas, experience?


> About a decade ago I headed a development team for an insurance company.
> Half the job was to take some mainframe programmers and acquaint them with
> PC development tools and best practices. XP was not a big thing then, but
I
> improvised an approximation of it at that time. I started with 2
> programmers, and had them sit with me as I coded. They were learning lots
of
> things at once -- syntax, editor keystrokes, shortcuts, etc. At first I
was
> moving so quickly that they couldn't even see what I was doing
(particularly
> in the editor itself), but a few explanations and we were over that hump.
> The hardest thing to teach them was "1 proc does exactly one thing"... No,
> upon reflection, the hardest thing to teach them was "avoid coding until
the
> last possible moment." The first two programmers then took on a programmer
> each and repeated the "semester", as it were, and then those two took on a
> programmer each. By the end of the project, we had a team of capable
> programmers, and we stuck to the rule of "two programmers per keyboard"
all
> the way through the project. It worked brilliantly -- about equivalent to
> debugging while writing the code. The second programmer might watch the
> first start a recursive routine and say, "Hey, wait, let's break it out
into
> two routines and avoid the recursion problems." They might kick it around
> for a bit before choosing one or the other approach, and also document why
> they elected that choice.
>
> I am _way_ big on BDUF! Avoid coding until the last possible moment --
> that's my motto. I started out as a cowboy coder, but no more. I spend a
> _lot_ of time db-design tools such as DeZign, and I don't even begin
> creating sample data until I've been through about 3 revisions of the
given
> DB design. Then I write use-cases describing each function the software
must
> perform, using English not pseudo-code -- in fact, I have learned to avoid
> any specific references to tables, and instead to write such statements
as,
> "When the user selects a product and quantity she wishes to buy, place a
> 5-minute hold on that quantity. When the user's credit card payment is
> authorized, deplete inventory by the specified quantity and remove the
> hold."
>
> Once the DB design is finalized, and the purpose of each table, view,
sproc
> and UDF described, then even a relatively new hire can take the spec
> described above and implement it easily. In the example I gave, there are
> the following steps:
>
> 1. Obtain the product ID and desired quantity
> 2. Check to see said quantity exists (we'll sidestep the issue of
> back-orders for now).
> 3. Place a hold on said quantity, with a timer mechanism of some sort (SQL
> Server is great at this, much better than an Access timer).
> 4. Obtain the credit card info, fire it off and check the return status.
> 5. If the payment went through, deplete the quantity available.
> 6. Remove the hold.
>
> Each of these steps can be reduced to exactly one procedure. You (as
> manager) could even assign each step to a different programmer. So long as
> the DB design is solid, there should be no issues.
>
> I haven't read either book you mentioned, but I'll put them on my list of
> things to read.
>
> Arthur
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
> Salakhetdinov
> Sent: August 18, 2005 5:50 AM
> To: !DBA-MAIN
> Subject: [AccessD] OT(?): Big Design Up Front (BDUF) vs. XP any
> comments,ideas, experience?
>
> Hi All,
>
> I've got this this today from JoelOnSoftware subscription list:
>
> <<<<<<
> "As I worked through the screens that would be needed to allow
> either party to initiate the process, I realized that Aardvark
> would be just as useful, and radically simpler, if the helper
> was required to start the whole process. Making this change in
> the spec took an hour or two. If we had made this change in code,
> it would have added weeks to the schedule. I can't tell you how
> strongly I believe in Big Design Up Front, which the proponents
> of Extreme Programming consider anathema. I have consistently
> saved time and made better products by using BDUF and I'm proud
> to use it, no matter what the XP fanatics claim. They're just
> wrong on this point and I can't be any clearer than that."
>
> - From my latest article:
>
>   The Project Aardvark Spec
>   http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/AardvarkSpec.html
> >>>>>
> No comments.
>
> It happened that I'm currently reading:
>
> "Microsoft Object Thinking"
> by David West
> ISBN:0735619654
> Microsoft Press C 2004
>
> and
>
> "Extreme Programming Adventures in C# "
> by Ron Jeffries
> ISBN:0735619492
> Microsoft Press C 2004
>
> These two books are from Microsoft Press and they have a lot of useful
> information on eXterme Programming, Unit Testing and Classical(Behavioral)
> vs. currently existing in most implementations "real life" UML-based(RUP)
> OOD&P.
>
> When MS Press publishes books on such more computer-science than
> used in real life projects subjects then they are very probably
"cultivating
> the ground" for the soon to become true "dreams". (I remember I watched a
> movie "Microsoft, Year 2004"(form MS of course) somewhere in year 1995 or
> so - and as I see now their by that time science-fiction is now real-life,
> exactly in year 2004-2005.
>
> I must say I impressed with both books (and there are just a few technical
> books I liked because most of them are just "chewing" MSDN or other docs
> without almost any new ideas).
> The more I read them the more I like them and I see a lot of sense in what
> is written in them and I see a lot of my own ideas and experience are
there
> too.  I'm glad my thinking is in the mainstream (of course what they say
is
> much more elaborated and thought through and based on their own rich
> experience).
>
> So my guess/thinking is that XP, Unit Testing and Behavioral (Extreme)
> OOD&P are becoming mainstream for real-life development of the projects of
> any size - in fact as authors of these books state (based on  their
> experience)  that the stuff they are writing about is the "only" agile way
> to solve the challenges of nowadays customers and projects requests. And
> they are not fanatics I think - they base their writing on deep analysis
of
> all the previous 50 years experience in software development and not only
in
> software -  "Microsoft Object Thinking"  is more philosophical than
> technical book and it has quotes from Plato (year 400 B.C.) - these quotes
> are used to explain how to "attack" complicated/vague projects'
> requirements...
>
>
> What do you think about the subject and related issues?
>
> Do we need Access/VBA Unit Testing added here -
> http://opensourcetesting.org/unit_misc.php (Open source tools for software
> testing professionals) - it can be done - does it make sense?
>
> Shamil
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From jmhecht at earthlink.net  Thu Aug 18 12:20:07 2005
From: jmhecht at earthlink.net (Joe Hecht)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 10:20:07 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] MDE question
In-Reply-To: <4304B2E3.16275.1A65F03@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <E1E5o3h-00029q-IK@smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net>

So I should write in XP and then port up to 2K3.
Ten user would need to select proper version for their system.

Or start in 2K3 and go down to XP.

I would have 2 mde files of same app.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 11:10 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] MDE question

On 17 Aug 2005 at 21:53, Joe Hecht wrote:

> If I do an app in Access 2K3 and make an .mde out if it will older
versions
> of Access be able to use it?
>  

No, and future versions probably won't be able to either - at least that's 
been the case up to now.




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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu Aug 18 12:27:05 2005
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 10:27:05 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] MDE question
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86873BCE@infoserver01.infostat.local>

You can use an XP mde in either XP or 2003.  You cannot create an XP mde
in 2003 or vice versa, and you cannot use a 2003 mde in XP.

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Hecht [mailto:jmhecht at earthlink.net] 
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 10:20 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MDE question


So I should write in XP and then port up to 2K3.
Ten user would need to select proper version for their system.

Or start in 2K3 and go down to XP.

I would have 2 mde files of same app.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart
McLachlan
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 11:10 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] MDE question

On 17 Aug 2005 at 21:53, Joe Hecht wrote:

> If I do an app in Access 2K3 and make an .mde out if it will older
versions
> of Access be able to use it?
>  

No, and future versions probably won't be able to either - at least
that's 
been the case up to now.




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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu Aug 18 12:30:33 2005
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 10:30:33 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86873BCF@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Not interesting, Shamil, FASCINATING!  Yes, I do hope you continue this
thread.  Please!  I've often thought of this kind of thing but have
never had time to really pursue it.

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Shamil Salakhetdinov [mailto:shamil at users.mns.ru] 
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 10:02 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..


Charlotte,

Your <VBG> means you're interested in continuation of this
subject/thread or...? In my plans is to extend and make all the source
code available. How soon it will happen this is an open question - I
have an urgent project here. But I do plan to continue this thread and
work if this looks interesting for you and others here. Maybe even make
it open source project here when first useful results will be achieved?
It would be interesting I guess to make it also XP(eXtreme Programming)
style work with your being subject area expert - I mean your best
knowing in what scenarios and in what business areas is the best to use
MS Access in bound but disconnected mode with most of the software (MS
Access FE
databases) developed by power users but integrated by "mighty MS Access
developers"? :)

I know how to do all that, I know how to make MS Access applications
assembly factories etc. - I have all that experience and I can share it
if/when I will have spare time - is that interesting?

Shamil


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From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 7:35 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..


> Oooohhh, I think I'm in love!  <VBG>
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Shamil Salakhetdinov [mailto:shamil at users.mns.ru]
> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 4:46 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
>
>
> No, William, this is not replication - here is what I mean in short:
>
> http://www.smsconsulting.spb.ru/shamil_s/articles/ddo.htm
>
> Shamil
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "William Hindman" <dejpolsys at hotmail.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 3:47 AM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
>
>
> > Shamil
> >
> > ..I must be missing something ...that sounds like replication to me.
> >
> > William
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil at users.mns.ru>
> > To: "!DBA-MAIN" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 7:28 PM
> > Subject: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
> >
> >
> > > Hi All,
> > >
> > > I wanted to ask you - what about the subject?
> > > Anybody uses/interested to use MS Access client applications this 
> > > way?
> > >
> > > Do I miss obvious (RTFM) stuff and such a disconnected mode is 
> > > already implemented in MS Access and broadly used by MS Access 
> > > developers? Yes,
> I
> > > know ADO recordsets can be used with bound MS Access forms etc. 
> > > but this looks like a rather limited feature - am I wrong?
> > >
> > > What I mean is cashing data locally into mdbs, only the data 
> > > needed for the currently open form(s) etc., processing this data 
> > > and then updating backend database(mdb, MSDE, MS SQL, whatever...)

> > > - with all this cashing and updating made mostly automatically by 
> > > a tiny framework code, based
> on
> > > ADO.NET...(yes, this local caching of data is not a new subject 
> > > but nowadays it can be (re-)implement really scalable way with a 
> > > way less efforts
> than
> > > before)
> > >
> > > Maybe MS plans to do something like that?
> > >
> > > Is that a wheel reinvention or anybody here sees such opportunity 
> > > like a really useful feature in their real life projects?
> > >
> > > For me it looks like a useful feature because it could help: to 
> > > get MS Access back into mainstream development area because it 
> > > will allow to easily scale applications with MS Access 
> > > front-ends...
> > >
> > > There are many other ideas but most of them in this "ideas pool" 
> > > based
> on
> > > the subject one - if it doesn't make sense for real-life projects 
> > > then
> I'd
> > > better stop working on it...
> > >
> > > What is your opinion about the subject?
> > > When you expect MS will do something like that in MS Access?
> > >
> > > Thank you,
> > > Shamil
> > >
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu Aug 18 12:34:02 2005
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 10:34:02 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86873BD0@infoserver01.infostat.local>

>MS Access becoming just a power-user toy?
I believe the actual MS quote described Access as "a landing pad for
data"!

SWAG:  Scientific Wild A** Guess <g>


Charlotte


-----Original Message-----
From: Shamil Salakhetdinov [mailto:shamil at users.mns.ru] 
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 9:45 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..


>  If they would only consider it a development
> tool instead of a power user toy.
They(MS) seems to have VS.NET as a mainstream development tool with MS
Access becoming just a power-user toy?

> MS is moving toward XML as
> their datastore of choice for this kind of caching, and it certainly 
> works and has been fairly easy to implement since at least Access 
> 2000.
OK, what I see as the problem with all that is that when cached locally
as XML/ADO.NET datasets(behind WinForms) and one needs to implement
front-end advanced business logic they need to program a lot using
navigational data processing methods. And even ADO.NET isn' a solution
here. And if cached locally in MDB or MSDE database SQL-based(SQL as
data manipulation language I mean)  set-oriented data processing methods
can be used - so in an ideal case there will be no need to program that
much business logic for front-end applications because SQL is a very
powerful language...

> SWAG based on working extensively with VB.Net and speculating.
Sorry, what SWAG means?

>  Given
> that the next version of Access may not be available for a year or so 
> and is bound to have problems at first, I think something that could 
> be used now and with versions earlier than 2003 (which has its own
> problems!) is entirely sensible.
Agreed! :)
Thank you for your approval of my expectations in this area!

Shamil


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From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 4:42 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..


> Shamil,
>
> It looks to me like that is where MS is going with .Net, so it would 
> be logical to take Access in that direction as well ... If they would 
> only consider it a development tool instead of a power user toy.  I've

> certainly built applications in the past using that concept with ADO 
> and unbound forms. (Hush, John, I don't want to hear about it!<g>)  I 
> think we often fall back to the built in stuff because it is quick and

> easy, even though it is not necessarily efficient.  MS is moving 
> toward XML as their datastore of choice for this kind of caching, and 
> it certainly works and has been fairly easy to implement since at 
> least Access 2000. I would expect the capability to be expanded in the

> next version of Access when it starts to catch up with Word and Excel,

> but that's just a SWAG based on working extensively with VB.Net and 
> speculating.  Given that the next version of Access may not be 
> available for a year or so and is bound to have problems at first, I 
> think something that could be used now and with versions earlier than 
> 2003 (which has its own
> problems!) is entirely sensible.
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Shamil Salakhetdinov [mailto:shamil at users.mns.ru]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 4:29 PM
> To: !DBA-MAIN
> Subject: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
>
>
> Hi All,
>
> I wanted to ask you - what about the subject?
> Anybody uses/interested to use MS Access client applications this way?
>
> Do I miss obvious (RTFM) stuff and such a disconnected mode is already

> implemented in MS Access and broadly used by MS Access developers? 
> Yes, I know ADO recordsets can be used with bound MS Access forms etc.

> but this looks like a rather limited feature - am I wrong?
>
> What I mean is cashing data locally into mdbs, only the data needed 
> for the currently open form(s) etc., processing this data and then 
> updating backend database(mdb, MSDE, MS SQL, whatever...) - with all 
> this cashing and updating made mostly automatically by a tiny 
> framework code, based on ADO.NET...(yes, this local caching of data is

> not a new subject but nowadays it can be (re-)implement really 
> scalable way with a way less efforts than
> before)
>
> Maybe MS plans to do something like that?
>
> Is that a wheel reinvention or anybody here sees such opportunity like

> a really useful feature in their real life projects?
>
> For me it looks like a useful feature because it could help: to get MS

> Access back into mainstream development area because it will allow to 
> easily scale applications with MS Access front-ends...
>
> There are many other ideas but most of them in this "ideas pool" based

> on the subject one - if it doesn't make sense for real-life projects 
> then I'd better stop working on it...
>
> What is your opinion about the subject?
> When you expect MS will do something like that in MS Access?
>
> Thank you,
> Shamil
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Aug 18 12:40:25 2005
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 10:40:25 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
In-Reply-To: <002001c5a3ea$66b59c60$6401a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru>
Message-ID: <0ILF00G64IFD9M@l-daemon>

Hi Shamil: 

It looks very interesting.  Wonder what object was referenced in Access to
allow access to FrameWorks' ADO.Net library.

Jim  

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
Salakhetdinov
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 4:46 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..

No, William, this is not replication - here is what I mean in short:

http://www.smsconsulting.spb.ru/shamil_s/articles/ddo.htm

Shamil

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From: "William Hindman" <dejpolsys at hotmail.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 3:47 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..


> Shamil
>
> ..I must be missing something ...that sounds like replication to me.
>
> William
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil at users.mns.ru>
> To: "!DBA-MAIN" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 7:28 PM
> Subject: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
>
>
> > Hi All,
> >
> > I wanted to ask you - what about the subject?
> > Anybody uses/interested to use MS Access client applications this way?
> >
> > Do I miss obvious (RTFM) stuff and such a disconnected mode is already
> > implemented in MS Access and broadly used by MS Access developers? Yes,
I
> > know ADO recordsets can be used with bound MS Access forms etc. but this
> > looks like a rather limited feature - am I wrong?
> >
> > What I mean is cashing data locally into mdbs, only the data needed for
> > the
> > currently open form(s) etc., processing this data and then updating
> > backend
> > database(mdb, MSDE, MS SQL, whatever...) - with all this cashing and
> > updating made mostly automatically by a tiny framework code, based on
> > ADO.NET...(yes, this local caching of data is not a new subject but
> > nowadays
> > it can be (re-)implement really scalable way with a way less efforts
than
> > before)
> >
> > Maybe MS plans to do something like that?
> >
> > Is that a wheel reinvention or anybody here sees such opportunity like a
> > really useful feature in their real life projects?
> >
> > For me it looks like a useful feature because it could help: to get MS
> > Access back into mainstream development area because it will allow to
> > easily
> > scale applications with MS Access front-ends...
> >
> > There are many other ideas but most of them in this "ideas pool" based
on
> > the subject one - if it doesn't make sense for real-life projects then
I'd
> > better stop working on it...
> >
> > What is your opinion about the subject?
> > When you expect MS will do something like that in MS Access?
> >
> > Thank you,
> > Shamil
> >
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From shamil at users.mns.ru  Thu Aug 18 13:04:12 2005
From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 22:04:12 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86873BCF@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <002a01c5a41f$40083bb0$6401a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru>

> but have never had time to really pursue it.
Yes, the same thoughts/experience here.
Finally ADO.NET and WithEvents should make it rather easy to implement...

I think/plan, I will return to this subject end of the next week, hopefully
with some new results to publish as public domain/open source...

Meanwhile I have to finish reading two books about XP in C#  and "MS Object
Thinking" and make some experiments in ADO.NET and a good progress in a
pending urgent project...

Any ideas about directions in which to develop this small project are very
welcome!

Thank you for your support!

Shamil


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From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 9:30 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..


> Not interesting, Shamil, FASCINATING!  Yes, I do hope you continue this
> thread.  Please!  I've often thought of this kind of thing but have
> never had time to really pursue it.
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Shamil Salakhetdinov [mailto:shamil at users.mns.ru]
> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 10:02 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
>
>
> Charlotte,
>
> Your <VBG> means you're interested in continuation of this
> subject/thread or...? In my plans is to extend and make all the source
> code available. How soon it will happen this is an open question - I
> have an urgent project here. But I do plan to continue this thread and
> work if this looks interesting for you and others here. Maybe even make
> it open source project here when first useful results will be achieved?
> It would be interesting I guess to make it also XP(eXtreme Programming)
> style work with your being subject area expert - I mean your best
> knowing in what scenarios and in what business areas is the best to use
> MS Access in bound but disconnected mode with most of the software (MS
> Access FE
> databases) developed by power users but integrated by "mighty MS Access
> developers"? :)
>
> I know how to do all that, I know how to make MS Access applications
> assembly factories etc. - I have all that experience and I can share it
> if/when I will have spare time - is that interesting?
>
> Shamil
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 7:35 PM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
>
>
> > Oooohhh, I think I'm in love!  <VBG>
> >
> > Charlotte Foust
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Shamil Salakhetdinov [mailto:shamil at users.mns.ru]
> > Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 4:46 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
> >
> >
> > No, William, this is not replication - here is what I mean in short:
> >
> > http://www.smsconsulting.spb.ru/shamil_s/articles/ddo.htm
> >
> > Shamil
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "William Hindman" <dejpolsys at hotmail.com>
> > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 3:47 AM
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
> >
> >
> > > Shamil
> > >
> > > ..I must be missing something ...that sounds like replication to me.
> > >
> > > William
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil at users.mns.ru>
> > > To: "!DBA-MAIN" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 7:28 PM
> > > Subject: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
> > >
> > >
> > > > Hi All,
> > > >
> > > > I wanted to ask you - what about the subject?
> > > > Anybody uses/interested to use MS Access client applications this
> > > > way?
> > > >
> > > > Do I miss obvious (RTFM) stuff and such a disconnected mode is
> > > > already implemented in MS Access and broadly used by MS Access
> > > > developers? Yes,
> > I
> > > > know ADO recordsets can be used with bound MS Access forms etc.
> > > > but this looks like a rather limited feature - am I wrong?
> > > >
> > > > What I mean is cashing data locally into mdbs, only the data
> > > > needed for the currently open form(s) etc., processing this data
> > > > and then updating backend database(mdb, MSDE, MS SQL, whatever...)
>
> > > > - with all this cashing and updating made mostly automatically by
> > > > a tiny framework code, based
> > on
> > > > ADO.NET...(yes, this local caching of data is not a new subject
> > > > but nowadays it can be (re-)implement really scalable way with a
> > > > way less efforts
> > than
> > > > before)
> > > >
> > > > Maybe MS plans to do something like that?
> > > >
> > > > Is that a wheel reinvention or anybody here sees such opportunity
> > > > like a really useful feature in their real life projects?
> > > >
> > > > For me it looks like a useful feature because it could help: to
> > > > get MS Access back into mainstream development area because it
> > > > will allow to easily scale applications with MS Access
> > > > front-ends...
> > > >
> > > > There are many other ideas but most of them in this "ideas pool"
> > > > based
> > on
> > > > the subject one - if it doesn't make sense for real-life projects
> > > > then
> > I'd
> > > > better stop working on it...
> > > >
> > > > What is your opinion about the subject?
> > > > When you expect MS will do something like that in MS Access?
> > > >
> > > > Thank you,
> > > > Shamil
> > > >
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From artful at rogers.com  Thu Aug 18 13:01:43 2005
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 14:01:43 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Storing Files in Directories
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86873BD0@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <200508181801.j7II1oR20260@databaseadvisors.com>

The current client has distinct preferences about how files ought to be
stored. 

A client has 1:M projects.
A project has 1:M assessments.
An assessment concerns exactly one workstation.
The resulting document must come out reflecting all workstations involved in
said project for said client (this part is trivial).

The client app's native directory is c:\MyClient. The subdir for said
reports is c:\MyClient\reports.

The client wants me to create a dir for each project and then plant the
related documents in said project-subdir.

This says to me that the Client table contains a directory name, and that
the ClientProjects table also contains a directory name, and that given
project 12356 I concatenate the above two values, plus the unique
identifier, and create a file called "c:\MyClient\HerClient\Reports\" &
Unique_ID & ".doc" (the resultant docs are all Word files).

1. I have so far created the said doc from a template: no problems there.
But I would like also to supply the concatenated filename so that a simple
click on the Save button causes the file to be saved. (I should mention that
the docs spit out by the Access app _always_ require editing; else we would
simply dump an Access report.)

Given that the client is CharlotteFoust and that her docs get sent to
c:\MyClient\HerClient\CharlotteFoust, then I want Word to realize that the
created document should be called "c:\MyClient\HerClient\CharlotteFoust\" &
Unique_ID & ".doc" -- and placed in subdir (create if required) Project
20050818.

I don't want the user to have to name the file. I want that to have already
been done, so she can click Save after her edits and that's that.

Had I been granted the discretion to design this particular model, I would
not have chosen this path. That however is not the issue. The issue is that
the client and her employees want to do it this way. 

Advice, guidance, assaults on the model, all gratefully accepted.




From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Thu Aug 18 13:05:22 2005
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (DWUTKA at marlow.com)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 13:05:22 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Storing Files in Directories
Message-ID: <123701F54509D9119A4F00D0B747349016DDAB@main2.marlow.com>

Not sure where you are having problems.

Code produces data, which you write to file in appropriate place (checking
for existance of path...creating as necessary).  File written, open file for
editing in Word.  File is already saved in correct place with correct name,
so the default 'save' in Word will write to the same spot.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Arthur Fuller [mailto:artful at rogers.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 1:02 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Storing Files in Directories


The current client has distinct preferences about how files ought to be
stored. 

A client has 1:M projects.
A project has 1:M assessments.
An assessment concerns exactly one workstation.
The resulting document must come out reflecting all workstations involved in
said project for said client (this part is trivial).

The client app's native directory is c:\MyClient. The subdir for said
reports is c:\MyClient\reports.

The client wants me to create a dir for each project and then plant the
related documents in said project-subdir.

This says to me that the Client table contains a directory name, and that
the ClientProjects table also contains a directory name, and that given
project 12356 I concatenate the above two values, plus the unique
identifier, and create a file called "c:\MyClient\HerClient\Reports\" &
Unique_ID & ".doc" (the resultant docs are all Word files).

1. I have so far created the said doc from a template: no problems there.
But I would like also to supply the concatenated filename so that a simple
click on the Save button causes the file to be saved. (I should mention that
the docs spit out by the Access app _always_ require editing; else we would
simply dump an Access report.)

Given that the client is CharlotteFoust and that her docs get sent to
c:\MyClient\HerClient\CharlotteFoust, then I want Word to realize that the
created document should be called "c:\MyClient\HerClient\CharlotteFoust\" &
Unique_ID & ".doc" -- and placed in subdir (create if required) Project
20050818.

I don't want the user to have to name the file. I want that to have already
been done, so she can click Save after her edits and that's that.

Had I been granted the discretion to design this particular model, I would
not have chosen this path. That however is not the issue. The issue is that
the client and her employees want to do it this way. 

Advice, guidance, assaults on the model, all gratefully accepted.


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From shamil at users.mns.ru  Thu Aug 18 13:24:15 2005
From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 22:24:15 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
References: <0ILF00G64IFD9M@l-daemon>
Message-ID: <008501c5a422$1e7dee60$6401a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru>

> Wonder what object was referenced in Access to
> allow access to FrameWorks' ADO.Net library
I did write these objects (classes to instantiate and use these objects):

DDO.Database
DDO.Dataset

in C# and I did put them in a Class Library.
Compiled Class Library is a .NET  Framework DLL.
And this class library's classes and interfaces can be exposed as COM
objects/interfaces using attributes and being exported in a COM type
library - these are called COM Callable Wrappers (CCW) .
Therefore they can be used from MS Access VBA as COM objects.
This is well known and rather easy stuff in .NET Framework.

I plan to publish all this Class Library source code and more, hopefully end
of the next week...

Shamil

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 9:40 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..


> Hi Shamil:
>
> It looks very interesting.  Wonder what object was referenced in Access to
> allow access to FrameWorks' ADO.Net library.
>
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
> Salakhetdinov
> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 4:46 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
>
> No, William, this is not replication - here is what I mean in short:
>
> http://www.smsconsulting.spb.ru/shamil_s/articles/ddo.htm
>
> Shamil
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "William Hindman" <dejpolsys at hotmail.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 3:47 AM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
>
>
> > Shamil
> >
> > ..I must be missing something ...that sounds like replication to me.
> >
> > William
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil at users.mns.ru>
> > To: "!DBA-MAIN" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 7:28 PM
> > Subject: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
> >
> >
> > > Hi All,
> > >
> > > I wanted to ask you - what about the subject?
> > > Anybody uses/interested to use MS Access client applications this way?
> > >
> > > Do I miss obvious (RTFM) stuff and such a disconnected mode is already
> > > implemented in MS Access and broadly used by MS Access developers?
Yes,
> I
> > > know ADO recordsets can be used with bound MS Access forms etc. but
this
> > > looks like a rather limited feature - am I wrong?
> > >
> > > What I mean is cashing data locally into mdbs, only the data needed
for
> > > the
> > > currently open form(s) etc., processing this data and then updating
> > > backend
> > > database(mdb, MSDE, MS SQL, whatever...) - with all this cashing and
> > > updating made mostly automatically by a tiny framework code, based on
> > > ADO.NET...(yes, this local caching of data is not a new subject but
> > > nowadays
> > > it can be (re-)implement really scalable way with a way less efforts
> than
> > > before)
> > >
> > > Maybe MS plans to do something like that?
> > >
> > > Is that a wheel reinvention or anybody here sees such opportunity like
a
> > > really useful feature in their real life projects?
> > >
> > > For me it looks like a useful feature because it could help: to get MS
> > > Access back into mainstream development area because it will allow to
> > > easily
> > > scale applications with MS Access front-ends...
> > >
> > > There are many other ideas but most of them in this "ideas pool" based
> on
> > > the subject one - if it doesn't make sense for real-life projects then
> I'd
> > > better stop working on it...
> > >
> > > What is your opinion about the subject?
> > > When you expect MS will do something like that in MS Access?
> > >
> > > Thank you,
> > > Shamil
> > >
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu Aug 18 13:23:58 2005
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 11:23:58 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86873BD2@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Yes, I work with ADO.Net a lot, but in VB.Net, not Access, and I haven't
even looked at C#.  Most of my time is now spent in VB.Net, but I keep
thinking of how nice it would be to be able to do some of these things
with Access ... Like Nunit testing, for instance.  Now THERE's a topic I
could get excited about if someone would like to rewrite it to work with
VBA ... Hint, hint, hint. ;-}

Charlotte


-----Original Message-----
From: Shamil Salakhetdinov [mailto:shamil at users.mns.ru] 
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 11:04 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..


> but have never had time to really pursue it.
Yes, the same thoughts/experience here.
Finally ADO.NET and WithEvents should make it rather easy to
implement...

I think/plan, I will return to this subject end of the next week,
hopefully with some new results to publish as public domain/open
source...

Meanwhile I have to finish reading two books about XP in C#  and "MS
Object Thinking" and make some experiments in ADO.NET and a good
progress in a pending urgent project...

Any ideas about directions in which to develop this small project are
very welcome!

Thank you for your support!

Shamil


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 9:30 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..


> Not interesting, Shamil, FASCINATING!  Yes, I do hope you continue 
> this thread.  Please!  I've often thought of this kind of thing but 
> have never had time to really pursue it.
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Shamil Salakhetdinov [mailto:shamil at users.mns.ru]
> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 10:02 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
>
>
> Charlotte,
>
> Your <VBG> means you're interested in continuation of this 
> subject/thread or...? In my plans is to extend and make all the source

> code available. How soon it will happen this is an open question - I 
> have an urgent project here. But I do plan to continue this thread and

> work if this looks interesting for you and others here. Maybe even 
> make it open source project here when first useful results will be 
> achieved? It would be interesting I guess to make it also XP(eXtreme 
> Programming) style work with your being subject area expert - I mean 
> your best knowing in what scenarios and in what business areas is the 
> best to use MS Access in bound but disconnected mode with most of the 
> software (MS Access FE
> databases) developed by power users but integrated by "mighty MS 
> Access developers"? :)
>
> I know how to do all that, I know how to make MS Access applications 
> assembly factories etc. - I have all that experience and I can share 
> it if/when I will have spare time - is that interesting?
>
> Shamil
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 7:35 PM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
>
>
> > Oooohhh, I think I'm in love!  <VBG>
> >
> > Charlotte Foust
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Shamil Salakhetdinov [mailto:shamil at users.mns.ru]
> > Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 4:46 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
> >
> >
> > No, William, this is not replication - here is what I mean in short:
> >
> > http://www.smsconsulting.spb.ru/shamil_s/articles/ddo.htm
> >
> > Shamil
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "William Hindman" <dejpolsys at hotmail.com>
> > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 3:47 AM
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
> >
> >
> > > Shamil
> > >
> > > ..I must be missing something ...that sounds like replication to 
> > > me.
> > >
> > > William
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil at users.mns.ru>
> > > To: "!DBA-MAIN" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 7:28 PM
> > > Subject: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
> > >
> > >
> > > > Hi All,
> > > >
> > > > I wanted to ask you - what about the subject?
> > > > Anybody uses/interested to use MS Access client applications 
> > > > this way?
> > > >
> > > > Do I miss obvious (RTFM) stuff and such a disconnected mode is 
> > > > already implemented in MS Access and broadly used by MS Access 
> > > > developers? Yes,
> > I
> > > > know ADO recordsets can be used with bound MS Access forms etc. 
> > > > but this looks like a rather limited feature - am I wrong?
> > > >
> > > > What I mean is cashing data locally into mdbs, only the data 
> > > > needed for the currently open form(s) etc., processing this data

> > > > and then updating backend database(mdb, MSDE, MS SQL, 
> > > > whatever...)
>
> > > > - with all this cashing and updating made mostly automatically 
> > > > by a tiny framework code, based
> > on
> > > > ADO.NET...(yes, this local caching of data is not a new subject 
> > > > but nowadays it can be (re-)implement really scalable way with a

> > > > way less efforts
> > than
> > > > before)
> > > >
> > > > Maybe MS plans to do something like that?
> > > >
> > > > Is that a wheel reinvention or anybody here sees such 
> > > > opportunity like a really useful feature in their real life 
> > > > projects?
> > > >
> > > > For me it looks like a useful feature because it could help: to 
> > > > get MS Access back into mainstream development area because it 
> > > > will allow to easily scale applications with MS Access 
> > > > front-ends...
> > > >
> > > > There are many other ideas but most of them in this "ideas pool"

> > > > based
> > on
> > > > the subject one - if it doesn't make sense for real-life 
> > > > projects then
> > I'd
> > > > better stop working on it...
> > > >
> > > > What is your opinion about the subject?
> > > > When you expect MS will do something like that in MS Access?
> > > >
> > > > Thank you,
> > > > Shamil
> > > >
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From artful at rogers.com  Thu Aug 18 13:25:44 2005
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 14:25:44 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT(?): Big Design Up Front (BDUF) vs. XP any comments,
	ideas, experience?
In-Reply-To: <009401c5a418$6a77e5a0$6401a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru>
Message-ID: <200508181825.j7IIPjR26281@databaseadvisors.com>

Good reply, Shamil. I am not a fanatic (at least I don't think so LOL), but
I AM very big on BDUF -- this opinion qualified by the realization (as
captured in a famous N.A. ad wherein the guy tells you that GoodYear does
tires but now tune-ups as well. So we are caught between rock and roll and
and a hard disk: by the time you write the software, the company is in a new
business. No doubt about it, this happens! And more than once to me.

So the architecture has to be something like the correct way to design a
house: you should be able to add rooms at any moment without destroying the
scheme. Your next child might be triplets, which would in time radically
alter the design of your home.

Without wanting to lead this thread too far astray, I will mention that my
two principal influences in software design are Moshe Safde and Zakir
Hussain, the former the architect who designed Habitat and many other great
buildings, the latter probably the greatest tabla player who has ever lived.
Both are into highest-level improvisation, working from a basic set of rules
that can combine in thousands of ways. Habitat, IMO, is one of the greatest
edifices ever built. And Zakir, in the realm of music and more specifically
drumming, is without parallel. These two men are the goalposts of my
software ambitions. 

So perhaps you may think that I am contradicting myself, but I don't see it
that way. Architecture locked in space and time is dead. It must be as fluid
as improvised music -- and more importantly to this discussion, so must
software. Software must be designed with the anticipation that you will have
another child next year, and be ready to bend and fold and otherwise enhance
said child's life. If we have to rewrite, the design was wrong. We should
simply accommodate, adding a new bedroom if required but not changing the
structure of the house and neither betraying its aesthetics.

This is not simple to do. I appreciate that. I mention it as my goal not my
resume. Now and then I have come close. That is the best I can say. I am
neither Safde nor Hussain.

Look at Habitat. Listen to Track 3 on the first Shakti CD. These are my
goalposts.

Arthur

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
Salakhetdinov
Sent: August 18, 2005 1:15 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT(?): Big Design Up Front (BDUF) vs. XP any
comments,ideas, experience?

<<<
I am _way_ big on BDUF! Avoid coding until the last possible moment --
that's my motto.
>>>
Arthur, but what you described  and you said "it worked brilliantly" - this
is more XP than anything else, isn't it?

Yes, I understand you're writing specs and you do a lot of upfront design -
it may happen it's not needed to do them that much upfront?
I'm not XP advocate (yet) - I'm just learning it and yet to see really big
projects developed this way but my feelings are that it's very promising and
it should give higher percent of positive results than BDUF does give - 60%
of projects fail, many go a way out of budget etc.  - these are
statistics...

No, I do not want to make "BDUF vs. XP" yet another "religious" debate
here  - I'm trying to find my best way "in between" of these two working
approaches by sharing my experience and by acquiring yours...

Shamil

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Arthur Fuller" <artful at rogers.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 8:21 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT(?): Big Design Up Front (BDUF) vs. XP any
comments,ideas, experience?


> About a decade ago I headed a development team for an insurance company.
> Half the job was to take some mainframe programmers and acquaint them with
> PC development tools and best practices. XP was not a big thing then, but
I
> improvised an approximation of it at that time. I started with 2
> programmers, and had them sit with me as I coded. They were learning lots
of
> things at once -- syntax, editor keystrokes, shortcuts, etc. At first I
was
> moving so quickly that they couldn't even see what I was doing
(particularly
> in the editor itself), but a few explanations and we were over that hump.
> The hardest thing to teach them was "1 proc does exactly one thing"... No,
> upon reflection, the hardest thing to teach them was "avoid coding until
the
> last possible moment." The first two programmers then took on a programmer
> each and repeated the "semester", as it were, and then those two took on a
> programmer each. By the end of the project, we had a team of capable
> programmers, and we stuck to the rule of "two programmers per keyboard"
all
> the way through the project. It worked brilliantly -- about equivalent to
> debugging while writing the code. The second programmer might watch the
> first start a recursive routine and say, "Hey, wait, let's break it out
into
> two routines and avoid the recursion problems." They might kick it around
> for a bit before choosing one or the other approach, and also document why
> they elected that choice.
>
> I am _way_ big on BDUF! Avoid coding until the last possible moment --
> that's my motto. I started out as a cowboy coder, but no more. I spend a
> _lot_ of time db-design tools such as DeZign, and I don't even begin
> creating sample data until I've been through about 3 revisions of the
given
> DB design. Then I write use-cases describing each function the software
must
> perform, using English not pseudo-code -- in fact, I have learned to avoid
> any specific references to tables, and instead to write such statements
as,
> "When the user selects a product and quantity she wishes to buy, place a
> 5-minute hold on that quantity. When the user's credit card payment is
> authorized, deplete inventory by the specified quantity and remove the
> hold."
>
> Once the DB design is finalized, and the purpose of each table, view,
sproc
> and UDF described, then even a relatively new hire can take the spec
> described above and implement it easily. In the example I gave, there are
> the following steps:
>
> 1. Obtain the product ID and desired quantity
> 2. Check to see said quantity exists (we'll sidestep the issue of
> back-orders for now).
> 3. Place a hold on said quantity, with a timer mechanism of some sort (SQL
> Server is great at this, much better than an Access timer).
> 4. Obtain the credit card info, fire it off and check the return status.
> 5. If the payment went through, deplete the quantity available.
> 6. Remove the hold.
>
> Each of these steps can be reduced to exactly one procedure. You (as
> manager) could even assign each step to a different programmer. So long as
> the DB design is solid, there should be no issues.
>
> I haven't read either book you mentioned, but I'll put them on my list of
> things to read.
>
> Arthur
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
> Salakhetdinov
> Sent: August 18, 2005 5:50 AM
> To: !DBA-MAIN
> Subject: [AccessD] OT(?): Big Design Up Front (BDUF) vs. XP any
> comments,ideas, experience?
>
> Hi All,
>
> I've got this this today from JoelOnSoftware subscription list:
>
> <<<<<<
> "As I worked through the screens that would be needed to allow
> either party to initiate the process, I realized that Aardvark
> would be just as useful, and radically simpler, if the helper
> was required to start the whole process. Making this change in
> the spec took an hour or two. If we had made this change in code,
> it would have added weeks to the schedule. I can't tell you how
> strongly I believe in Big Design Up Front, which the proponents
> of Extreme Programming consider anathema. I have consistently
> saved time and made better products by using BDUF and I'm proud
> to use it, no matter what the XP fanatics claim. They're just
> wrong on this point and I can't be any clearer than that."
>
> - From my latest article:
>
>   The Project Aardvark Spec
>   http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/AardvarkSpec.html
> >>>>>
> No comments.
>
> It happened that I'm currently reading:
>
> "Microsoft Object Thinking"
> by David West
> ISBN:0735619654
> Microsoft Press C 2004
>
> and
>
> "Extreme Programming Adventures in C# "
> by Ron Jeffries
> ISBN:0735619492
> Microsoft Press C 2004
>
> These two books are from Microsoft Press and they have a lot of useful
> information on eXterme Programming, Unit Testing and Classical(Behavioral)
> vs. currently existing in most implementations "real life" UML-based(RUP)
> OOD&P.
>
> When MS Press publishes books on such more computer-science than
> used in real life projects subjects then they are very probably
"cultivating
> the ground" for the soon to become true "dreams". (I remember I watched a
> movie "Microsoft, Year 2004"(form MS of course) somewhere in year 1995 or
> so - and as I see now their by that time science-fiction is now real-life,
> exactly in year 2004-2005.
>
> I must say I impressed with both books (and there are just a few technical
> books I liked because most of them are just "chewing" MSDN or other docs
> without almost any new ideas).
> The more I read them the more I like them and I see a lot of sense in what
> is written in them and I see a lot of my own ideas and experience are
there
> too.  I'm glad my thinking is in the mainstream (of course what they say
is
> much more elaborated and thought through and based on their own rich
> experience).
>
> So my guess/thinking is that XP, Unit Testing and Behavioral (Extreme)
> OOD&P are becoming mainstream for real-life development of the projects of
> any size - in fact as authors of these books state (based on  their
> experience)  that the stuff they are writing about is the "only" agile way
> to solve the challenges of nowadays customers and projects requests. And
> they are not fanatics I think - they base their writing on deep analysis
of
> all the previous 50 years experience in software development and not only
in
> software -  "Microsoft Object Thinking"  is more philosophical than
> technical book and it has quotes from Plato (year 400 B.C.) - these quotes
> are used to explain how to "attack" complicated/vague projects'
> requirements...
>
>
> What do you think about the subject and related issues?
>
> Do we need Access/VBA Unit Testing added here -
> http://opensourcetesting.org/unit_misc.php (Open source tools for software
> testing professionals) - it can be done - does it make sense?
>
> Shamil
>
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From cyx5 at cdc.gov  Thu Aug 18 13:24:30 2005
From: cyx5 at cdc.gov (Nicholson, Karen)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 14:24:30 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Storing Files in Directories
Message-ID: <A5B5AA20555F594BA7B6BD2048E49E4376FE50@m-niosh-5.niosh.cdc.gov>

This is code that I have to create directories and then move files into
the directories.  My TN number is my unique identifier which creates a
unique directory if needed.  How are you grabbing your unique file name?
Looks like a date.  How about Date and Time so you don't get duplicate
file names?

Private Function fcnMakeDestFolder(vTNNum As Variant) As Boolean
On Error GoTo ErrorHandler

    Dim fsoDir As Object
    Dim strMsgText As String

    strMsgText = "Creating Final Project Destination Folder"
    DoCmd.OpenForm "Status Display", , , , acFormReadOnly, acDialog,
strMsgText
    
    'Check and/or create the manufacturer basic folder structure
    Set fsoDir = CreateObject("Scripting.FileSystemObject")
    If Not fsoDir.FolderExists(cProjects & strMfrCode) Then
        fsoDir.CreateFolder (cProjects & strMfrCode)
    End If
    If Not fsoDir.FolderExists(cProjects & strMfrCode & "\Approved")
Then
        fsoDir.CreateFolder (cProjects & strMfrCode & "\Approved")
    End If
    If Not fsoDir.FolderExists(cProjects & strMfrCode & "\Unapproved")
Then
        fsoDir.CreateFolder (cProjects & strMfrCode & "\Unapproved")
    End If
    If Not fsoDir.FolderExists(cProjects & strMfrCode & "\Post
Approval") Then
        fsoDir.CreateFolder (cProjects & strMfrCode & "\Post Approval")
    End If
    'Now create the new folder
    If Not fsoDir.FolderExists(cProjects & strMfrCode & "\TN" &
Format(vTNNum, "000000")) Then
        fsoDir.CreateFolder (cProjects & strMfrCode & "\TN" &
Format(vTNNum, "000000"))
    End If

    'Finally move all of the files from the standard application
directory
    'to the newly created folder.
    strMsgText = "Moving Project To Final Project Destination Folder"
    DoCmd.OpenForm "Status Display", , , , acFormReadOnly, acDialog,
strMsgText
    If fcnCopyFolders(cStdDir, cProjects & strMfrCode & "\TN" &
Format(vTNNum, "000000")) Then
        fcnMakeDestFolder = True
    Else
        fcnMakeDestFolder = False
    End If

ProcExit:
    If Not fsoDir Is Nothing Then
        Set fsoDir = Nothing
    End If
    Exit Function

ErrorHandler:
    MsgBox "The following error has occured:" & vbCrLf & _
        "Error Number: " & Err.Number & vbCrLf & _
        "Description: " & Err.Description & vbCrLf & _
        "Please contact the DEIMS system administrator with this
information.", vbOKOnly + vbCritical, _
        "Standard Application: Function Make Destination Folder"
    fcnMakeDestFolder = False
    GoTo ProcExit

End Function

'*****************
This is the function fcnCopyFolders

Public Function fcnCopyFolders(strFolderName As String, strStdDir As
String) As Boolean
On Error GoTo ErrorHandler

    'Declare Local Variables
    Dim fsoDir As Object, fsoSearchDir As Object
    Dim Folder As Object, SubFolders As Object, SubFolder As Object

    Set fsoDir = CreateObject("Scripting.FileSystemObject")
    Set Folder = fsoDir.GetFolder(strFolderName)
    Set SubFolders = Folder.SubFolders
    
    'Copy all of the subfolder objects to the standard directory
    If SubFolders.Count <> 0 Then
        For Each SubFolder In SubFolders
            fsoDir.CopyFile SubFolder.Path & "\*.*", strStdDir
        Next SubFolder
    End If

    'Copy all of the main folder objects to the standard directory
    fsoDir.CopyFile strFolderName & "\*.*", strStdDir

    fcnCopyFolders = True
    Exit Function

ErrorHandler:
    fcnCopyFolders = False

End Function 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 2:02 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Storing Files in Directories

The current client has distinct preferences about how files ought to be
stored. 

A client has 1:M projects.
A project has 1:M assessments.
An assessment concerns exactly one workstation.
The resulting document must come out reflecting all workstations
involved in said project for said client (this part is trivial).

The client app's native directory is c:\MyClient. The subdir for said
reports is c:\MyClient\reports.

The client wants me to create a dir for each project and then plant the
related documents in said project-subdir.

This says to me that the Client table contains a directory name, and
that the ClientProjects table also contains a directory name, and that
given project 12356 I concatenate the above two values, plus the unique
identifier, and create a file called "c:\MyClient\HerClient\Reports\" &
Unique_ID & ".doc" (the resultant docs are all Word files).

1. I have so far created the said doc from a template: no problems
there.
But I would like also to supply the concatenated filename so that a
simple click on the Save button causes the file to be saved. (I should
mention that the docs spit out by the Access app _always_ require
editing; else we would simply dump an Access report.)

Given that the client is CharlotteFoust and that her docs get sent to
c:\MyClient\HerClient\CharlotteFoust, then I want Word to realize that
the created document should be called
"c:\MyClient\HerClient\CharlotteFoust\" & Unique_ID & ".doc" -- and
placed in subdir (create if required) Project 20050818.

I don't want the user to have to name the file. I want that to have
already been done, so she can click Save after her edits and that's
that.

Had I been granted the discretion to design this particular model, I
would not have chosen this path. That however is not the issue. The
issue is that the client and her employees want to do it this way. 

Advice, guidance, assaults on the model, all gratefully accepted.


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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Thu Aug 18 13:32:56 2005
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 11:32:56 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] copy string to clipboard
References: <011801c5a40e$c9819fa0$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <4304D458.6080109@shaw.ca>

Long way around for a shortcut. But this might not be so safe.

'set reference to FM20.dll in windows/system32 'MS Forms 2.0 Object Library
function getclipboard() as string
Dim dobD As DataObject
 Dim strS As String
  Set dobD = New DataObject
   dobD.GetFromClipboard
  strS = dobD.GetText
'or put in formatted see object browser
 ' dobD.SetText ("Huh??")
 ' dobD.PutInClipboard
  Debug.Print strS
getclipboard= strS
   Set dobD = Nothing
End Sub

John W. Colby wrote:

>>I've even got a simple class to take care of text to and from the clipboard
>>    
>>
><g>
>
>And of course, so do I now, thanks to you.  <grin>  This is what makes this
>group great.
>
>John W. Colby
>www.ColbyConsulting.com 
>
>Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
>http://folding.stanford.edu/
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert
>Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 12:03 PM
>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] copy string to clipboard
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby
>Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 11:00 AM
>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] copy string to clipboard
>
>
>Where is the matching ClipGetText?
>
>John W. Colby
>www.ColbyConsulting.com 
>
>------------------------
>It's another simple API call...
>
>Private Declare Function GetClipboardData Lib "user32" (ByVal wFormat As
>Long) As Long
>
>I've even got a simple class to take care of text to and from the clipboard
><g>
>
>'*************************** clsClipBoard *************
>
>Option Compare Database
>Option Explicit
>
>
>
>' Obtaining Clipboard Data using API
>' (needed for VBA since no Clipboard Object) -- can also paste the data to a
>control ' *************************************************************
>
>' ******* Place following in declarations *********
>Private Declare Function OpenClipboard Lib "user32" (ByVal hWnd As Long) As
>Long Private Declare Function CloseClipboard Lib "user32" () As Long Private
>Declare Function EmptyClipboard Lib "user32" () As Long Private Declare
>Function SetClipboardData Lib "user32" (ByVal wFormat As Long, ByVal hMem As
>Long) As Long Private Declare Function GetClipboardData Lib "user32" (ByVal
>wFormat As
>Long) As Long
>Private Declare Function GlobalAlloc Lib "kernel32" (ByVal wFlags&, ByVal
>dwBytes As Long) As Long Private Declare Function GlobalLock Lib "kernel32"
>(ByVal hMem As Long) As Long Private Declare Function GlobalUnlock Lib
>"kernel32" (ByVal hMem As Long) As Long Private Declare Function GlobalSize
>Lib "kernel32" (ByVal hMem As Long) As Long Private Declare Function lstrcpy
>Lib "kernel32" (ByVal lpString1 As Any, ByVal lpString2 As Any) As Long
>
>Const GHND = &H42
>Const CF_TEXT = 1
>Const MAXSIZE = 4096
>
>Function GetTextData() As String
>   Dim hClipMemory As Long
>   Dim lpClipMemory As Long
>   Dim MyString As String
>   Dim RetVal As Long
>
>   If OpenClipboard(0&) = 0 Then
>      MsgBox "Cannot open Clipboard. Another app. may have it open", ,
>"Clipboard"
>
>      Exit Function
>   End If
>
>   ' Obtain the handle to the global memory
>   ' block that is referencing the text.
>   hClipMemory = GetClipboardData(CF_TEXT)
>   If IsNull(hClipMemory) Then
>      MsgBox "Could not allocate memory", , "Clipboard"
>   Else
>   
>      ' Lock Clipboard memory so we can reference
>      ' the actual data string.
>      lpClipMemory = GlobalLock(hClipMemory)
>   
>      If Not IsNull(lpClipMemory) Then
>   
>         MyString = SPACE$(MAXSIZE)
>         RetVal = lstrcpy(MyString, lpClipMemory)
>         RetVal = GlobalUnlock(hClipMemory)
>   
>         ' Peel off the null terminating character.
>         MyString = uMid(MyString, 1, InStr(1, MyString, Chr$(0), 0) - 1)
>      Else
>         MsgBox "Could not lock memory to copy string from.", , "Clipboard"
>      End If
>   
>   End If
>
>   RetVal = CloseClipboard()
>   GetTextData = MyString
>
>End Function
>
>Sub SetTextData(MyString As String)
>   Dim hGlobalMemory As Long, lpGlobalMemory As Long
>   Dim hClipMemory As Long, x As Long
>
>   ' Allocate movable global memory.
>   '-------------------------------------------
>   hGlobalMemory = GlobalAlloc(GHND, Len(MyString) + 1)
>
>   ' Lock the block to get a far pointer
>   ' to this memory.
>   lpGlobalMemory = GlobalLock(hGlobalMemory)
>
>   ' Copy the string to this global memory.
>   lpGlobalMemory = lstrcpy(lpGlobalMemory, MyString)
>
>   ' Unlock the memory.
>   If GlobalUnlock(hGlobalMemory) <> 0 Then
>      MsgBox "Could not unlock memory location. Copy aborted.", ,
>"Clipboard"
>   Else
>      ' Open the Clipboard to copy data to.
>      If OpenClipboard(0&) = 0 Then
>         MsgBox "Could not open the Clipboard. Copy aborted.", , "Clipboard"
>         Exit Sub
>      End If
>   
>      ' Clear the Clipboard.
>      x = EmptyClipboard()
>   
>      ' Copy the data to the Clipboard.
>      hClipMemory = SetClipboardData(CF_TEXT, hGlobalMemory)
>   End If
>
>   If CloseClipboard() = 0 Then
>      MsgBox "Could not close Clipboard.", , "Clipboard"
>   End If
>
>End Sub
>   
>'********************************************
>  
>

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Victoria, B.C.
Canada





From shamil at users.mns.ru  Thu Aug 18 13:48:09 2005
From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 22:48:09 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86873BD2@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <002101c5a429$00e15930$6401a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru>

> Like Nunit testing, for instance.  Now THERE's a topic I
> could get excited about if someone would like to rewrite it to work with
> VBA ...
So, you wanted JUnit/NUnit ideas ported to MS Access/VBA?
We're thinking in the same direction :)
Do you think it could be broadly used? (VBA is getting "dead" language?)

Yes, VBA/Access Unit  testing can be done several ways.
I'd use open source NUnit sources for starters....
Rough estimation: not that much work - one/a couple of months  - anybody to
sponsor? :)

What about NDoc(http://ndoc.sourceforge.net/) ?
Also wanted to port it to VBA? - no problem - any sponsors? :)

Shamil

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 10:23 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..


> Yes, I work with ADO.Net a lot, but in VB.Net, not Access, and I haven't
> even looked at C#.  Most of my time is now spent in VB.Net, but I keep
> thinking of how nice it would be to be able to do some of these things
> with Access ... Like Nunit testing, for instance.  Now THERE's a topic I
> could get excited about if someone would like to rewrite it to work with
> VBA ... Hint, hint, hint. ;-}
>
> Charlotte
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Shamil Salakhetdinov [mailto:shamil at users.mns.ru]
> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 11:04 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
>
>
> > but have never had time to really pursue it.
> Yes, the same thoughts/experience here.
> Finally ADO.NET and WithEvents should make it rather easy to
> implement...
>
> I think/plan, I will return to this subject end of the next week,
> hopefully with some new results to publish as public domain/open
> source...
>
> Meanwhile I have to finish reading two books about XP in C#  and "MS
> Object Thinking" and make some experiments in ADO.NET and a good
> progress in a pending urgent project...
>
> Any ideas about directions in which to develop this small project are
> very welcome!
>
> Thank you for your support!
>
> Shamil
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 9:30 PM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
>
>
> > Not interesting, Shamil, FASCINATING!  Yes, I do hope you continue
> > this thread.  Please!  I've often thought of this kind of thing but
> > have never had time to really pursue it.
> >
> > Charlotte Foust
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Shamil Salakhetdinov [mailto:shamil at users.mns.ru]
> > Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 10:02 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
> >
> >
> > Charlotte,
> >
> > Your <VBG> means you're interested in continuation of this
> > subject/thread or...? In my plans is to extend and make all the source
>
> > code available. How soon it will happen this is an open question - I
> > have an urgent project here. But I do plan to continue this thread and
>
> > work if this looks interesting for you and others here. Maybe even
> > make it open source project here when first useful results will be
> > achieved? It would be interesting I guess to make it also XP(eXtreme
> > Programming) style work with your being subject area expert - I mean
> > your best knowing in what scenarios and in what business areas is the
> > best to use MS Access in bound but disconnected mode with most of the
> > software (MS Access FE
> > databases) developed by power users but integrated by "mighty MS
> > Access developers"? :)
> >
> > I know how to do all that, I know how to make MS Access applications
> > assembly factories etc. - I have all that experience and I can share
> > it if/when I will have spare time - is that interesting?
> >
> > Shamil
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
> > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 7:35 PM
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
> >
> >
> > > Oooohhh, I think I'm in love!  <VBG>
> > >
> > > Charlotte Foust
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Shamil Salakhetdinov [mailto:shamil at users.mns.ru]
> > > Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 4:46 AM
> > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
> > >
> > >
> > > No, William, this is not replication - here is what I mean in short:
> > >
> > > http://www.smsconsulting.spb.ru/shamil_s/articles/ddo.htm
> > >
> > > Shamil
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "William Hindman" <dejpolsys at hotmail.com>
> > > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 3:47 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
> > >
> > >
> > > > Shamil
> > > >
> > > > ..I must be missing something ...that sounds like replication to
> > > > me.
> > > >
> > > > William
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil at users.mns.ru>
> > > > To: "!DBA-MAIN" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 7:28 PM
> > > > Subject: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Hi All,
> > > > >
> > > > > I wanted to ask you - what about the subject?
> > > > > Anybody uses/interested to use MS Access client applications
> > > > > this way?
> > > > >
> > > > > Do I miss obvious (RTFM) stuff and such a disconnected mode is
> > > > > already implemented in MS Access and broadly used by MS Access
> > > > > developers? Yes,
> > > I
> > > > > know ADO recordsets can be used with bound MS Access forms etc.
> > > > > but this looks like a rather limited feature - am I wrong?
> > > > >
> > > > > What I mean is cashing data locally into mdbs, only the data
> > > > > needed for the currently open form(s) etc., processing this data
>
> > > > > and then updating backend database(mdb, MSDE, MS SQL,
> > > > > whatever...)
> >
> > > > > - with all this cashing and updating made mostly automatically
> > > > > by a tiny framework code, based
> > > on
> > > > > ADO.NET...(yes, this local caching of data is not a new subject
> > > > > but nowadays it can be (re-)implement really scalable way with a
>
> > > > > way less efforts
> > > than
> > > > > before)
> > > > >
> > > > > Maybe MS plans to do something like that?
> > > > >
> > > > > Is that a wheel reinvention or anybody here sees such
> > > > > opportunity like a really useful feature in their real life
> > > > > projects?
> > > > >
> > > > > For me it looks like a useful feature because it could help: to
> > > > > get MS Access back into mainstream development area because it
> > > > > will allow to easily scale applications with MS Access
> > > > > front-ends...
> > > > >
> > > > > There are many other ideas but most of them in this "ideas pool"
>
> > > > > based
> > > on
> > > > > the subject one - if it doesn't make sense for real-life
> > > > > projects then
> > > I'd
> > > > > better stop working on it...
> > > > >
> > > > > What is your opinion about the subject?
> > > > > When you expect MS will do something like that in MS Access?
> > > > >
> > > > > Thank you,
> > > > > Shamil
> > > > >
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From shamil at users.mns.ru  Thu Aug 18 14:13:20 2005
From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 23:13:20 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT(?): Big Design Up Front (BDUF) vs. XP any comments,
	ideas, experience?
References: <200508181825.j7IIPjR26281@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <002201c5a429$0121bd90$6401a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru>

> Both are into highest-level improvisation, working from a basic set of
rules
> that can combine in thousands of ways.
XP DOES base its core practices on improvisation and basic set of proven
rules/patterns, which can be combined in thousand ways!
And it's well known that high level improvisation is "1% inspiration, and
99% perspiration."...

> So perhaps you may think that I am contradicting myself, but I don't see
> it that way
Yes :)

> If we have to rewrite, the design was wrong. We should
> simply accommodate, adding a new bedroom if required but not changing the
> structure of the house and neither betraying its aesthetics.
I think that XP and true Classical (Behavioral) OOD&P gurus have knowledge
and experience I, mere mortal, still to try to get acquired and used in my
practice. They do state the way they work will not create any problems with
adapting software to the constantly changing business and customer
requirements. They do have experience in real life projects with very
impressive results - read the book "MS Object Thinking"...

Just think - they create low coupled, highly cohesive (with a few exposed
methods) "interlligent" objects.
These objects are independent and they just react predicted way (because
their functionality is unit tested "to death") on external signals/messages.
They subsribe to/know about/react on only the known for them
signals/messages.
They do use proven design patterns to combine all that stuff....
The often methaphor they use to explain how this system works is a traffic
light on crossroad and cars and pedestrians - they are all independent -
they just react on traffic light signals - and this system works very
well...

> Look at Habitat. Listen to Track 3 on the first Shakti CD. These are my
> goalposts.
Will do, thanks!

Shamil

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Arthur Fuller" <artful at rogers.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 10:25 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT(?): Big Design Up Front (BDUF) vs. XP any
comments,ideas, experience?


> Good reply, Shamil. I am not a fanatic (at least I don't think so LOL),
but
> I AM very big on BDUF -- this opinion qualified by the realization (as
> captured in a famous N.A. ad wherein the guy tells you that GoodYear does
> tires but now tune-ups as well. So we are caught between rock and roll and
> and a hard disk: by the time you write the software, the company is in a
new
> business. No doubt about it, this happens! And more than once to me.
>
> So the architecture has to be something like the correct way to design a
> house: you should be able to add rooms at any moment without destroying
the
> scheme. Your next child might be triplets, which would in time radically
> alter the design of your home.
>
> Without wanting to lead this thread too far astray, I will mention that my
> two principal influences in software design are Moshe Safde and Zakir
> Hussain, the former the architect who designed Habitat and many other
great
> buildings, the latter probably the greatest tabla player who has ever
lived.
> Both are into highest-level improvisation, working from a basic set of
rules
> that can combine in thousands of ways. Habitat, IMO, is one of the
greatest
> edifices ever built. And Zakir, in the realm of music and more
specifically
> drumming, is without parallel. These two men are the goalposts of my
> software ambitions.
>
> So perhaps you may think that I am contradicting myself, but I don't see
it
> that way. Architecture locked in space and time is dead. It must be as
fluid
> as improvised music -- and more importantly to this discussion, so must
> software. Software must be designed with the anticipation that you will
have
> another child next year, and be ready to bend and fold and otherwise
enhance
> said child's life. If we have to rewrite, the design was wrong. We should
> simply accommodate, adding a new bedroom if required but not changing the
> structure of the house and neither betraying its aesthetics.
>
> This is not simple to do. I appreciate that. I mention it as my goal not
my
> resume. Now and then I have come close. That is the best I can say. I am
> neither Safde nor Hussain.
>
> Look at Habitat. Listen to Track 3 on the first Shakti CD. These are my
> goalposts.
>
> Arthur
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
> Salakhetdinov
> Sent: August 18, 2005 1:15 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT(?): Big Design Up Front (BDUF) vs. XP any
> comments,ideas, experience?
>
> <<<
> I am _way_ big on BDUF! Avoid coding until the last possible moment --
> that's my motto.
> >>>
> Arthur, but what you described  and you said "it worked brilliantly" -
this
> is more XP than anything else, isn't it?
>
> Yes, I understand you're writing specs and you do a lot of upfront
design -
> it may happen it's not needed to do them that much upfront?
> I'm not XP advocate (yet) - I'm just learning it and yet to see really big
> projects developed this way but my feelings are that it's very promising
and
> it should give higher percent of positive results than BDUF does give -
60%
> of projects fail, many go a way out of budget etc.  - these are
> statistics...
>
> No, I do not want to make "BDUF vs. XP" yet another "religious" debate
> here  - I'm trying to find my best way "in between" of these two working
> approaches by sharing my experience and by acquiring yours...
>
> Shamil
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Arthur Fuller" <artful at rogers.com>
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 8:21 PM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT(?): Big Design Up Front (BDUF) vs. XP any
> comments,ideas, experience?
>
>
> > About a decade ago I headed a development team for an insurance company.
> > Half the job was to take some mainframe programmers and acquaint them
with
> > PC development tools and best practices. XP was not a big thing then,
but
> I
> > improvised an approximation of it at that time. I started with 2
> > programmers, and had them sit with me as I coded. They were learning
lots
> of
> > things at once -- syntax, editor keystrokes, shortcuts, etc. At first I
> was
> > moving so quickly that they couldn't even see what I was doing
> (particularly
> > in the editor itself), but a few explanations and we were over that
hump.
> > The hardest thing to teach them was "1 proc does exactly one thing"...
No,
> > upon reflection, the hardest thing to teach them was "avoid coding until
> the
> > last possible moment." The first two programmers then took on a
programmer
> > each and repeated the "semester", as it were, and then those two took on
a
> > programmer each. By the end of the project, we had a team of capable
> > programmers, and we stuck to the rule of "two programmers per keyboard"
> all
> > the way through the project. It worked brilliantly -- about equivalent
to
> > debugging while writing the code. The second programmer might watch the
> > first start a recursive routine and say, "Hey, wait, let's break it out
> into
> > two routines and avoid the recursion problems." They might kick it
around
> > for a bit before choosing one or the other approach, and also document
why
> > they elected that choice.
> >
> > I am _way_ big on BDUF! Avoid coding until the last possible moment --
> > that's my motto. I started out as a cowboy coder, but no more. I spend a
> > _lot_ of time db-design tools such as DeZign, and I don't even begin
> > creating sample data until I've been through about 3 revisions of the
> given
> > DB design. Then I write use-cases describing each function the software
> must
> > perform, using English not pseudo-code -- in fact, I have learned to
avoid
> > any specific references to tables, and instead to write such statements
> as,
> > "When the user selects a product and quantity she wishes to buy, place a
> > 5-minute hold on that quantity. When the user's credit card payment is
> > authorized, deplete inventory by the specified quantity and remove the
> > hold."
> >
> > Once the DB design is finalized, and the purpose of each table, view,
> sproc
> > and UDF described, then even a relatively new hire can take the spec
> > described above and implement it easily. In the example I gave, there
are
> > the following steps:
> >
> > 1. Obtain the product ID and desired quantity
> > 2. Check to see said quantity exists (we'll sidestep the issue of
> > back-orders for now).
> > 3. Place a hold on said quantity, with a timer mechanism of some sort
(SQL
> > Server is great at this, much better than an Access timer).
> > 4. Obtain the credit card info, fire it off and check the return status.
> > 5. If the payment went through, deplete the quantity available.
> > 6. Remove the hold.
> >
> > Each of these steps can be reduced to exactly one procedure. You (as
> > manager) could even assign each step to a different programmer. So long
as
> > the DB design is solid, there should be no issues.
> >
> > I haven't read either book you mentioned, but I'll put them on my list
of
> > things to read.
> >
> > Arthur
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
> > Salakhetdinov
> > Sent: August 18, 2005 5:50 AM
> > To: !DBA-MAIN
> > Subject: [AccessD] OT(?): Big Design Up Front (BDUF) vs. XP any
> > comments,ideas, experience?
> >
> > Hi All,
> >
> > I've got this this today from JoelOnSoftware subscription list:
> >
> > <<<<<<
> > "As I worked through the screens that would be needed to allow
> > either party to initiate the process, I realized that Aardvark
> > would be just as useful, and radically simpler, if the helper
> > was required to start the whole process. Making this change in
> > the spec took an hour or two. If we had made this change in code,
> > it would have added weeks to the schedule. I can't tell you how
> > strongly I believe in Big Design Up Front, which the proponents
> > of Extreme Programming consider anathema. I have consistently
> > saved time and made better products by using BDUF and I'm proud
> > to use it, no matter what the XP fanatics claim. They're just
> > wrong on this point and I can't be any clearer than that."
> >
> > - From my latest article:
> >
> >   The Project Aardvark Spec
> >   http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/AardvarkSpec.html
> > >>>>>
> > No comments.
> >
> > It happened that I'm currently reading:
> >
> > "Microsoft Object Thinking"
> > by David West
> > ISBN:0735619654
> > Microsoft Press C 2004
> >
> > and
> >
> > "Extreme Programming Adventures in C# "
> > by Ron Jeffries
> > ISBN:0735619492
> > Microsoft Press C 2004
> >
> > These two books are from Microsoft Press and they have a lot of useful
> > information on eXterme Programming, Unit Testing and
Classical(Behavioral)
> > vs. currently existing in most implementations "real life"
UML-based(RUP)
> > OOD&P.
> >
> > When MS Press publishes books on such more computer-science than
> > used in real life projects subjects then they are very probably
> "cultivating
> > the ground" for the soon to become true "dreams". (I remember I watched
a
> > movie "Microsoft, Year 2004"(form MS of course) somewhere in year 1995
or
> > so - and as I see now their by that time science-fiction is now
real-life,
> > exactly in year 2004-2005.
> >
> > I must say I impressed with both books (and there are just a few
technical
> > books I liked because most of them are just "chewing" MSDN or other docs
> > without almost any new ideas).
> > The more I read them the more I like them and I see a lot of sense in
what
> > is written in them and I see a lot of my own ideas and experience are
> there
> > too.  I'm glad my thinking is in the mainstream (of course what they say
> is
> > much more elaborated and thought through and based on their own rich
> > experience).
> >
> > So my guess/thinking is that XP, Unit Testing and Behavioral (Extreme)
> > OOD&P are becoming mainstream for real-life development of the projects
of
> > any size - in fact as authors of these books state (based on  their
> > experience)  that the stuff they are writing about is the "only" agile
way
> > to solve the challenges of nowadays customers and projects requests. And
> > they are not fanatics I think - they base their writing on deep analysis
> of
> > all the previous 50 years experience in software development and not
only
> in
> > software -  "Microsoft Object Thinking"  is more philosophical than
> > technical book and it has quotes from Plato (year 400 B.C.) - these
quotes
> > are used to explain how to "attack" complicated/vague projects'
> > requirements...
> >
> >
> > What do you think about the subject and related issues?
> >
> > Do we need Access/VBA Unit Testing added here -
> > http://opensourcetesting.org/unit_misc.php (Open source tools for
software
> > testing professionals) - it can be done - does it make sense?
> >
> > Shamil
> >
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Aug 18 14:23:06 2005
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 15:23:06 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
In-Reply-To: <002101c5a429$00e15930$6401a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru>
Message-ID: <012501c5a42a$42856fb0$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

Shamil,

Do you use Ndoc?  I was just about to post a question on how to figure that
out and tie it in to my VB.Net projects.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
Salakhetdinov
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 2:48 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..


> Like Nunit testing, for instance.  Now THERE's a topic I could get 
> excited about if someone would like to rewrite it to work with VBA ...
So, you wanted JUnit/NUnit ideas ported to MS Access/VBA?
We're thinking in the same direction :)
Do you think it could be broadly used? (VBA is getting "dead" language?)

Yes, VBA/Access Unit  testing can be done several ways.
I'd use open source NUnit sources for starters....
Rough estimation: not that much work - one/a couple of months  - anybody to
sponsor? :)

What about NDoc(http://ndoc.sourceforge.net/) ?
Also wanted to port it to VBA? - no problem - any sponsors? :)

Shamil

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 10:23 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..


> Yes, I work with ADO.Net a lot, but in VB.Net, not Access, and I 
> haven't even looked at C#.  Most of my time is now spent in VB.Net, 
> but I keep thinking of how nice it would be to be able to do some of 
> these things with Access ... Like Nunit testing, for instance.  Now 
> THERE's a topic I could get excited about if someone would like to 
> rewrite it to work with VBA ... Hint, hint, hint. ;-}
>
> Charlotte
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Shamil Salakhetdinov [mailto:shamil at users.mns.ru]
> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 11:04 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
>
>
> > but have never had time to really pursue it.
> Yes, the same thoughts/experience here.
> Finally ADO.NET and WithEvents should make it rather easy to 
> implement...
>
> I think/plan, I will return to this subject end of the next week, 
> hopefully with some new results to publish as public domain/open 
> source...
>
> Meanwhile I have to finish reading two books about XP in C#  and "MS 
> Object Thinking" and make some experiments in ADO.NET and a good 
> progress in a pending urgent project...
>
> Any ideas about directions in which to develop this small project are 
> very welcome!
>
> Thank you for your support!
>
> Shamil
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 9:30 PM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
>
>
> > Not interesting, Shamil, FASCINATING!  Yes, I do hope you continue 
> > this thread.  Please!  I've often thought of this kind of thing but 
> > have never had time to really pursue it.
> >
> > Charlotte Foust
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Shamil Salakhetdinov [mailto:shamil at users.mns.ru]
> > Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 10:02 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
> >
> >
> > Charlotte,
> >
> > Your <VBG> means you're interested in continuation of this 
> > subject/thread or...? In my plans is to extend and make all the 
> > source
>
> > code available. How soon it will happen this is an open question - I 
> > have an urgent project here. But I do plan to continue this thread 
> > and
>
> > work if this looks interesting for you and others here. Maybe even 
> > make it open source project here when first useful results will be 
> > achieved? It would be interesting I guess to make it also XP(eXtreme
> > Programming) style work with your being subject area expert - I mean 
> > your best knowing in what scenarios and in what business areas is 
> > the best to use MS Access in bound but disconnected mode with most 
> > of the software (MS Access FE
> > databases) developed by power users but integrated by "mighty MS 
> > Access developers"? :)
> >
> > I know how to do all that, I know how to make MS Access applications 
> > assembly factories etc. - I have all that experience and I can share 
> > it if/when I will have spare time - is that interesting?
> >
> > Shamil
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
> > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 7:35 PM
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
> >
> >
> > > Oooohhh, I think I'm in love!  <VBG>
> > >
> > > Charlotte Foust
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Shamil Salakhetdinov [mailto:shamil at users.mns.ru]
> > > Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 4:46 AM
> > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
> > >
> > >
> > > No, William, this is not replication - here is what I mean in 
> > > short:
> > >
> > > http://www.smsconsulting.spb.ru/shamil_s/articles/ddo.htm
> > >
> > > Shamil
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "William Hindman" <dejpolsys at hotmail.com>
> > > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
> > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 3:47 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
> > >
> > >
> > > > Shamil
> > > >
> > > > ..I must be missing something ...that sounds like replication to 
> > > > me.
> > > >
> > > > William
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil at users.mns.ru>
> > > > To: "!DBA-MAIN" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 7:28 PM
> > > > Subject: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Hi All,
> > > > >
> > > > > I wanted to ask you - what about the subject?
> > > > > Anybody uses/interested to use MS Access client applications 
> > > > > this way?
> > > > >
> > > > > Do I miss obvious (RTFM) stuff and such a disconnected mode is 
> > > > > already implemented in MS Access and broadly used by MS Access 
> > > > > developers? Yes,
> > > I
> > > > > know ADO recordsets can be used with bound MS Access forms 
> > > > > etc. but this looks like a rather limited feature - am I 
> > > > > wrong?
> > > > >
> > > > > What I mean is cashing data locally into mdbs, only the data 
> > > > > needed for the currently open form(s) etc., processing this 
> > > > > data
>
> > > > > and then updating backend database(mdb, MSDE, MS SQL,
> > > > > whatever...)
> >
> > > > > - with all this cashing and updating made mostly automatically 
> > > > > by a tiny framework code, based
> > > on
> > > > > ADO.NET...(yes, this local caching of data is not a new 
> > > > > subject but nowadays it can be (re-)implement really scalable 
> > > > > way with a
>
> > > > > way less efforts
> > > than
> > > > > before)
> > > > >
> > > > > Maybe MS plans to do something like that?
> > > > >
> > > > > Is that a wheel reinvention or anybody here sees such 
> > > > > opportunity like a really useful feature in their real life 
> > > > > projects?
> > > > >
> > > > > For me it looks like a useful feature because it could help: 
> > > > > to get MS Access back into mainstream development area because 
> > > > > it will allow to easily scale applications with MS Access 
> > > > > front-ends...
> > > > >
> > > > > There are many other ideas but most of them in this "ideas 
> > > > > pool"
>
> > > > > based
> > > on
> > > > > the subject one - if it doesn't make sense for real-life 
> > > > > projects then
> > > I'd
> > > > > better stop working on it...
> > > > >
> > > > > What is your opinion about the subject?
> > > > > When you expect MS will do something like that in MS Access?
> > > > >
> > > > > Thank you,
> > > > > Shamil
> > > > >
> > > > > --
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> > > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
> > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > > >
> > > > --
> > > > AccessD mailing list
> > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
> > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> > > --
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > --
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> > --
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > --
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> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
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From shamil at users.mns.ru  Thu Aug 18 14:46:42 2005
From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 23:46:42 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
References: <012501c5a42a$42856fb0$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <006601c5a42d$9f720320$6401a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru>

Yes, I do use it with but with C# projects.

They (MS) have XML comments in VS.NET 2005's VB.NET (to be released this
November?)

As for VB.NET in VS.NET 2003 - I have heard there is a tool to work with XML
comments in it but I don't know how good it's - this is VBCommenter -
http://www.gotdotnet.com/workspaces/workspace.aspx?id=112b5449-f702-46e2-87fa-86bdf39a17dd -
And it exports XML comments to be used by NDoc? I didn't check that but it's
stated here:

"NDoc generates class library documentation from .NET assemblies and the XML
documentation files generated by the C# compiler (or with an add-on tool for
VB.NET)." http://ndoc.sourceforge.net/

Sorry, I don't have any more info on NDoc - I did start to use it just last
month...

HTH,
Shamil

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John W. Colby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 11:23 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..


> Shamil,
>
> Do you use Ndoc?  I was just about to post a question on how to figure
that
> out and tie it in to my VB.Net projects.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
> http://folding.stanford.edu/
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
> Salakhetdinov
> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 2:48 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
>
>
> > Like Nunit testing, for instance.  Now THERE's a topic I could get
> > excited about if someone would like to rewrite it to work with VBA ...
> So, you wanted JUnit/NUnit ideas ported to MS Access/VBA?
> We're thinking in the same direction :)
> Do you think it could be broadly used? (VBA is getting "dead" language?)
>
> Yes, VBA/Access Unit  testing can be done several ways.
> I'd use open source NUnit sources for starters....
> Rough estimation: not that much work - one/a couple of months  - anybody
to
> sponsor? :)
>
> What about NDoc(http://ndoc.sourceforge.net/) ?
> Also wanted to port it to VBA? - no problem - any sponsors? :)
>
> Shamil
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 10:23 PM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
>
>
> > Yes, I work with ADO.Net a lot, but in VB.Net, not Access, and I
> > haven't even looked at C#.  Most of my time is now spent in VB.Net,
> > but I keep thinking of how nice it would be to be able to do some of
> > these things with Access ... Like Nunit testing, for instance.  Now
> > THERE's a topic I could get excited about if someone would like to
> > rewrite it to work with VBA ... Hint, hint, hint. ;-}
> >
> > Charlotte
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Shamil Salakhetdinov [mailto:shamil at users.mns.ru]
> > Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 11:04 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
> >
> >
> > > but have never had time to really pursue it.
> > Yes, the same thoughts/experience here.
> > Finally ADO.NET and WithEvents should make it rather easy to
> > implement...
> >
> > I think/plan, I will return to this subject end of the next week,
> > hopefully with some new results to publish as public domain/open
> > source...
> >
> > Meanwhile I have to finish reading two books about XP in C#  and "MS
> > Object Thinking" and make some experiments in ADO.NET and a good
> > progress in a pending urgent project...
> >
> > Any ideas about directions in which to develop this small project are
> > very welcome!
> >
> > Thank you for your support!
> >
> > Shamil
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
> > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 9:30 PM
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
> >
> >
> > > Not interesting, Shamil, FASCINATING!  Yes, I do hope you continue
> > > this thread.  Please!  I've often thought of this kind of thing but
> > > have never had time to really pursue it.
> > >
> > > Charlotte Foust
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Shamil Salakhetdinov [mailto:shamil at users.mns.ru]
> > > Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 10:02 AM
> > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
> > >
> > >
> > > Charlotte,
> > >
> > > Your <VBG> means you're interested in continuation of this
> > > subject/thread or...? In my plans is to extend and make all the
> > > source
> >
> > > code available. How soon it will happen this is an open question - I
> > > have an urgent project here. But I do plan to continue this thread
> > > and
> >
> > > work if this looks interesting for you and others here. Maybe even
> > > make it open source project here when first useful results will be
> > > achieved? It would be interesting I guess to make it also XP(eXtreme
> > > Programming) style work with your being subject area expert - I mean
> > > your best knowing in what scenarios and in what business areas is
> > > the best to use MS Access in bound but disconnected mode with most
> > > of the software (MS Access FE
> > > databases) developed by power users but integrated by "mighty MS
> > > Access developers"? :)
> > >
> > > I know how to do all that, I know how to make MS Access applications
> > > assembly factories etc. - I have all that experience and I can share
> > > it if/when I will have spare time - is that interesting?
> > >
> > > Shamil
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
> > > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 7:35 PM
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
> > >
> > >
> > > > Oooohhh, I think I'm in love!  <VBG>
> > > >
> > > > Charlotte Foust
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Shamil Salakhetdinov [mailto:shamil at users.mns.ru]
> > > > Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 4:46 AM
> > > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > No, William, this is not replication - here is what I mean in
> > > > short:
> > > >
> > > > http://www.smsconsulting.spb.ru/shamil_s/articles/ddo.htm
> > > >
> > > > Shamil
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "William Hindman" <dejpolsys at hotmail.com>
> > > > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > > Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 3:47 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Shamil
> > > > >
> > > > > ..I must be missing something ...that sounds like replication to
> > > > > me.
> > > > >
> > > > > William
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil at users.mns.ru>
> > > > > To: "!DBA-MAIN" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 7:28 PM
> > > > > Subject: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Hi All,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I wanted to ask you - what about the subject?
> > > > > > Anybody uses/interested to use MS Access client applications
> > > > > > this way?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Do I miss obvious (RTFM) stuff and such a disconnected mode is
> > > > > > already implemented in MS Access and broadly used by MS Access
> > > > > > developers? Yes,
> > > > I
> > > > > > know ADO recordsets can be used with bound MS Access forms
> > > > > > etc. but this looks like a rather limited feature - am I
> > > > > > wrong?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What I mean is cashing data locally into mdbs, only the data
> > > > > > needed for the currently open form(s) etc., processing this
> > > > > > data
> >
> > > > > > and then updating backend database(mdb, MSDE, MS SQL,
> > > > > > whatever...)
> > >
> > > > > > - with all this cashing and updating made mostly automatically
> > > > > > by a tiny framework code, based
> > > > on
> > > > > > ADO.NET...(yes, this local caching of data is not a new
> > > > > > subject but nowadays it can be (re-)implement really scalable
> > > > > > way with a
> >
> > > > > > way less efforts
> > > > than
> > > > > > before)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Maybe MS plans to do something like that?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Is that a wheel reinvention or anybody here sees such
> > > > > > opportunity like a really useful feature in their real life
> > > > > > projects?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > For me it looks like a useful feature because it could help:
> > > > > > to get MS Access back into mainstream development area because
> > > > > > it will allow to easily scale applications with MS Access
> > > > > > front-ends...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > There are many other ideas but most of them in this "ideas
> > > > > > pool"
> >
> > > > > > based
> > > > on
> > > > > > the subject one - if it doesn't make sense for real-life
> > > > > > projects then
> > > > I'd
> > > > > > better stop working on it...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What is your opinion about the subject?
> > > > > > When you expect MS will do something like that in MS Access?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thank you,
> > > > > > Shamil
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > AccessD mailing list
> > > > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > AccessD mailing list
> > > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > AccessD mailing list
> > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > > --
> > > > AccessD mailing list
> > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> > > --
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > --
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> > --
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> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu Aug 18 14:51:44 2005
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 12:51:44 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8689A81C@infoserver01.infostat.local>

I don't think it would be "broadly" used because it isn't used enough
now even in languages that support it, but developers who become
familiar with it, would evangalize like crazy! ;-}  I LOVE being able to
build methods and properties in the abstract and test them extensively
before I ever create a UI object that uses them.  It is really an
extension of spec writing, since you can easily model a spec and test to
see if the results you get are the ones you expect.  I've looked at the
Ndoc stuff, but  I am NOT a C (any flavor) programmer and don't want to
become one.

Charlotte


-----Original Message-----
From: Shamil Salakhetdinov [mailto:shamil at users.mns.ru] 
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 11:48 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..


> Like Nunit testing, for instance.  Now THERE's a topic I could get 
> excited about if someone would like to rewrite it to work with VBA ...
So, you wanted JUnit/NUnit ideas ported to MS Access/VBA?
We're thinking in the same direction :)
Do you think it could be broadly used? (VBA is getting "dead" language?)

Yes, VBA/Access Unit  testing can be done several ways.
I'd use open source NUnit sources for starters....
Rough estimation: not that much work - one/a couple of months  - anybody
to sponsor? :)

What about NDoc(http://ndoc.sourceforge.net/) ?
Also wanted to port it to VBA? - no problem - any sponsors? :)

Shamil

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 10:23 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..


> Yes, I work with ADO.Net a lot, but in VB.Net, not Access, and I 
> haven't even looked at C#.  Most of my time is now spent in VB.Net, 
> but I keep thinking of how nice it would be to be able to do some of 
> these things with Access ... Like Nunit testing, for instance.  Now 
> THERE's a topic I could get excited about if someone would like to 
> rewrite it to work with VBA ... Hint, hint, hint. ;-}
>
> Charlotte
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Shamil Salakhetdinov [mailto:shamil at users.mns.ru]
> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 11:04 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
>
>
> > but have never had time to really pursue it.
> Yes, the same thoughts/experience here.
> Finally ADO.NET and WithEvents should make it rather easy to 
> implement...
>
> I think/plan, I will return to this subject end of the next week, 
> hopefully with some new results to publish as public domain/open 
> source...
>
> Meanwhile I have to finish reading two books about XP in C#  and "MS 
> Object Thinking" and make some experiments in ADO.NET and a good 
> progress in a pending urgent project...
>
> Any ideas about directions in which to develop this small project are 
> very welcome!
>
> Thank you for your support!
>
> Shamil
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 9:30 PM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
>
>
> > Not interesting, Shamil, FASCINATING!  Yes, I do hope you continue 
> > this thread.  Please!  I've often thought of this kind of thing but 
> > have never had time to really pursue it.
> >
> > Charlotte Foust
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Shamil Salakhetdinov [mailto:shamil at users.mns.ru]
> > Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 10:02 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
> >
> >
> > Charlotte,
> >
> > Your <VBG> means you're interested in continuation of this 
> > subject/thread or...? In my plans is to extend and make all the 
> > source
>
> > code available. How soon it will happen this is an open question - I

> > have an urgent project here. But I do plan to continue this thread 
> > and
>
> > work if this looks interesting for you and others here. Maybe even 
> > make it open source project here when first useful results will be 
> > achieved? It would be interesting I guess to make it also XP(eXtreme
> > Programming) style work with your being subject area expert - I mean

> > your best knowing in what scenarios and in what business areas is 
> > the best to use MS Access in bound but disconnected mode with most 
> > of the software (MS Access FE
> > databases) developed by power users but integrated by "mighty MS 
> > Access developers"? :)
> >
> > I know how to do all that, I know how to make MS Access applications

> > assembly factories etc. - I have all that experience and I can share

> > it if/when I will have spare time - is that interesting?
> >
> > Shamil
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
> > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 7:35 PM
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
> >
> >
> > > Oooohhh, I think I'm in love!  <VBG>
> > >
> > > Charlotte Foust
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Shamil Salakhetdinov [mailto:shamil at users.mns.ru]
> > > Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 4:46 AM
> > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
> > >
> > >
> > > No, William, this is not replication - here is what I mean in 
> > > short:
> > >
> > > http://www.smsconsulting.spb.ru/shamil_s/articles/ddo.htm
> > >
> > > Shamil
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "William Hindman" <dejpolsys at hotmail.com>
> > > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
> > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 3:47 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
> > >
> > >
> > > > Shamil
> > > >
> > > > ..I must be missing something ...that sounds like replication to

> > > > me.
> > > >
> > > > William
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil at users.mns.ru>
> > > > To: "!DBA-MAIN" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 7:28 PM
> > > > Subject: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Hi All,
> > > > >
> > > > > I wanted to ask you - what about the subject?
> > > > > Anybody uses/interested to use MS Access client applications 
> > > > > this way?
> > > > >
> > > > > Do I miss obvious (RTFM) stuff and such a disconnected mode is

> > > > > already implemented in MS Access and broadly used by MS Access

> > > > > developers? Yes,
> > > I
> > > > > know ADO recordsets can be used with bound MS Access forms 
> > > > > etc. but this looks like a rather limited feature - am I 
> > > > > wrong?
> > > > >
> > > > > What I mean is cashing data locally into mdbs, only the data 
> > > > > needed for the currently open form(s) etc., processing this 
> > > > > data
>
> > > > > and then updating backend database(mdb, MSDE, MS SQL,
> > > > > whatever...)
> >
> > > > > - with all this cashing and updating made mostly automatically

> > > > > by a tiny framework code, based
> > > on
> > > > > ADO.NET...(yes, this local caching of data is not a new 
> > > > > subject but nowadays it can be (re-)implement really scalable 
> > > > > way with a
>
> > > > > way less efforts
> > > than
> > > > > before)
> > > > >
> > > > > Maybe MS plans to do something like that?
> > > > >
> > > > > Is that a wheel reinvention or anybody here sees such 
> > > > > opportunity like a really useful feature in their real life 
> > > > > projects?
> > > > >
> > > > > For me it looks like a useful feature because it could help: 
> > > > > to get MS Access back into mainstream development area because

> > > > > it will allow to easily scale applications with MS Access 
> > > > > front-ends...
> > > > >
> > > > > There are many other ideas but most of them in this "ideas 
> > > > > pool"
>
> > > > > based
> > > on
> > > > > the subject one - if it doesn't make sense for real-life 
> > > > > projects then
> > > I'd
> > > > > better stop working on it...
> > > > >
> > > > > What is your opinion about the subject?
> > > > > When you expect MS will do something like that in MS Access?
> > > > >
> > > > > Thank you,
> > > > > Shamil
> > > > >
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Aug 18 15:01:57 2005
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 16:01:57 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
In-Reply-To: <006601c5a42d$9f720320$6401a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru>
Message-ID: <012601c5a42f$b4751f80$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

I have VS.Net 2002 and it isn't clear that it works with that.  I also have
VB.Net Express (2005).  In either case all I know at this point is that if
you comment your code in some unknown format a tool will allow you to export
the comments to a help file.  Sigh.

So much to know, so few years remaining.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
Salakhetdinov
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 3:47 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..


Yes, I do use it with but with C# projects.

They (MS) have XML comments in VS.NET 2005's VB.NET (to be released this
November?)

As for VB.NET in VS.NET 2003 - I have heard there is a tool to work with XML
comments in it but I don't know how good it's - this is VBCommenter -
http://www.gotdotnet.com/workspaces/workspace.aspx?id=112b5449-f702-46e2-87f
a-86bdf39a17dd - And it exports XML comments to be used by NDoc? I didn't
check that but it's stated here:

"NDoc generates class library documentation from .NET assemblies and the XML
documentation files generated by the C# compiler (or with an add-on tool for
VB.NET)." http://ndoc.sourceforge.net/

Sorry, I don't have any more info on NDoc - I did start to use it just last
month...

HTH,
Shamil

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John W. Colby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 11:23 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..


> Shamil,
>
> Do you use Ndoc?  I was just about to post a question on how to figure
that
> out and tie it in to my VB.Net projects.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause: 
> http://folding.stanford.edu/
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil 
> Salakhetdinov
> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 2:48 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
>
>
> > Like Nunit testing, for instance.  Now THERE's a topic I could get 
> > excited about if someone would like to rewrite it to work with VBA 
> > ...
> So, you wanted JUnit/NUnit ideas ported to MS Access/VBA? We're 
> thinking in the same direction :) Do you think it could be broadly 
> used? (VBA is getting "dead" language?)
>
> Yes, VBA/Access Unit  testing can be done several ways.
> I'd use open source NUnit sources for starters....
> Rough estimation: not that much work - one/a couple of months  - 
> anybody
to
> sponsor? :)
>
> What about NDoc(http://ndoc.sourceforge.net/) ?
> Also wanted to port it to VBA? - no problem - any sponsors? :)
>
> Shamil
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 10:23 PM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
>
>
> > Yes, I work with ADO.Net a lot, but in VB.Net, not Access, and I 
> > haven't even looked at C#.  Most of my time is now spent in VB.Net, 
> > but I keep thinking of how nice it would be to be able to do some of 
> > these things with Access ... Like Nunit testing, for instance.  Now 
> > THERE's a topic I could get excited about if someone would like to 
> > rewrite it to work with VBA ... Hint, hint, hint. ;-}
> >
> > Charlotte
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Shamil Salakhetdinov [mailto:shamil at users.mns.ru]
> > Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 11:04 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
> >
> >
> > > but have never had time to really pursue it.
> > Yes, the same thoughts/experience here.
> > Finally ADO.NET and WithEvents should make it rather easy to 
> > implement...
> >
> > I think/plan, I will return to this subject end of the next week, 
> > hopefully with some new results to publish as public domain/open 
> > source...
> >
> > Meanwhile I have to finish reading two books about XP in C#  and "MS 
> > Object Thinking" and make some experiments in ADO.NET and a good 
> > progress in a pending urgent project...
> >
> > Any ideas about directions in which to develop this small project 
> > are very welcome!
> >
> > Thank you for your support!
> >
> > Shamil
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
> > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 9:30 PM
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
> >
> >
> > > Not interesting, Shamil, FASCINATING!  Yes, I do hope you continue 
> > > this thread.  Please!  I've often thought of this kind of thing 
> > > but have never had time to really pursue it.
> > >
> > > Charlotte Foust
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Shamil Salakhetdinov [mailto:shamil at users.mns.ru]
> > > Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 10:02 AM
> > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
> > >
> > >
> > > Charlotte,
> > >
> > > Your <VBG> means you're interested in continuation of this 
> > > subject/thread or...? In my plans is to extend and make all the 
> > > source
> >
> > > code available. How soon it will happen this is an open question - 
> > > I have an urgent project here. But I do plan to continue this 
> > > thread and
> >
> > > work if this looks interesting for you and others here. Maybe even 
> > > make it open source project here when first useful results will be 
> > > achieved? It would be interesting I guess to make it also 
> > > XP(eXtreme
> > > Programming) style work with your being subject area expert - I mean
> > > your best knowing in what scenarios and in what business areas is
> > > the best to use MS Access in bound but disconnected mode with most
> > > of the software (MS Access FE
> > > databases) developed by power users but integrated by "mighty MS
> > > Access developers"? :)
> > >
> > > I know how to do all that, I know how to make MS Access 
> > > applications assembly factories etc. - I have all that experience 
> > > and I can share it if/when I will have spare time - is that 
> > > interesting?
> > >
> > > Shamil
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
> > > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
> > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 7:35 PM
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
> > >
> > >
> > > > Oooohhh, I think I'm in love!  <VBG>
> > > >
> > > > Charlotte Foust
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Shamil Salakhetdinov [mailto:shamil at users.mns.ru]
> > > > Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 4:46 AM
> > > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient 
> > > > applications..
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > No, William, this is not replication - here is what I mean in
> > > > short:
> > > >
> > > > http://www.smsconsulting.spb.ru/shamil_s/articles/ddo.htm
> > > >
> > > > Shamil
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "William Hindman" <dejpolsys at hotmail.com>
> > > > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
> > > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > > Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 3:47 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient 
> > > > applications..
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Shamil
> > > > >
> > > > > ..I must be missing something ...that sounds like replication 
> > > > > to me.
> > > > >
> > > > > William
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil at users.mns.ru>
> > > > > To: "!DBA-MAIN" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 7:28 PM
> > > > > Subject: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Hi All,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I wanted to ask you - what about the subject? Anybody 
> > > > > > uses/interested to use MS Access client applications this 
> > > > > > way?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Do I miss obvious (RTFM) stuff and such a disconnected mode 
> > > > > > is already implemented in MS Access and broadly used by MS 
> > > > > > Access developers? Yes,
> > > > I
> > > > > > know ADO recordsets can be used with bound MS Access forms 
> > > > > > etc. but this looks like a rather limited feature - am I 
> > > > > > wrong?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What I mean is cashing data locally into mdbs, only the data 
> > > > > > needed for the currently open form(s) etc., processing this 
> > > > > > data
> >
> > > > > > and then updating backend database(mdb, MSDE, MS SQL,
> > > > > > whatever...)
> > >
> > > > > > - with all this cashing and updating made mostly 
> > > > > > automatically by a tiny framework code, based
> > > > on
> > > > > > ADO.NET...(yes, this local caching of data is not a new 
> > > > > > subject but nowadays it can be (re-)implement really 
> > > > > > scalable way with a
> >
> > > > > > way less efforts
> > > > than
> > > > > > before)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Maybe MS plans to do something like that?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Is that a wheel reinvention or anybody here sees such 
> > > > > > opportunity like a really useful feature in their real life 
> > > > > > projects?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > For me it looks like a useful feature because it could help: 
> > > > > > to get MS Access back into mainstream development area 
> > > > > > because it will allow to easily scale applications with MS 
> > > > > > Access front-ends...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > There are many other ideas but most of them in this "ideas 
> > > > > > pool"
> >
> > > > > > based
> > > > on
> > > > > > the subject one - if it doesn't make sense for real-life 
> > > > > > projects then
> > > > I'd
> > > > > > better stop working on it...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What is your opinion about the subject?
> > > > > > When you expect MS will do something like that in MS Access?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thank you,
> > > > > > Shamil
> > > > > >
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From shamil at users.mns.ru  Thu Aug 18 15:07:28 2005
From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 00:07:28 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: JFYI: XP and Wiki Founder Ward Cunningham is
	currently working at MS...
Message-ID: <008401c5a430$810ff7e0$6401a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru>

http://www.c2.com/cgi/wiki?TipsForWardAtMicrosoft

Quote from "Microsoft Object Thinking" by David West:

<<<
Ward Cunningham and Kent Beck

Ward Cunningham is an almost mythical figure in the world of objects and
extreme programming. Excepting a few papers, usually coauthored by Kent
Beck, he has published little. His influence, however, has been monumental.
He is considered to be the inspiration for most of the extreme programming
practices, is a legendary coder and designer, and is a great mentor.
Mathematicians use an "Erdos Number" as an indicator of their association
with Paul Erdos, one of the most prolific and brilliant mathematicians of
the past century. Erdos himself had the number 0, those who coauthored a
paper with him had the number 1, coauthoring with a coauthor yielded 2, and
so on. Extreme programmers are given a "Ward Number" based on pair
programming with him (1), pair programming with someone who paired with him
(2), and so forth.

Kent Beck is to Cunningham as Plato was to Socrates-the extender of ideas,
contributor in his own right, and, in an interesting parallel, the one who
published. The preeminent figure in the world of extreme programming today,
Beck was equally active in object programming. Although he did not publish a
book on behavioral object modeling, he did publish works on programming
style and idiom (for Smalltalk).

Kent Beck and Ward Cunningham were a team when objects first became a hot
technology, collaborating both as developers and as creative thinkers about
object technology. Both will become quite familiar to the reader, as their
ideas are central to many of the themes in this book.
>>>

Shamil



From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Thu Aug 18 14:46:29 2005
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 12:46:29 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Storing Files in Directories
References: <200508181801.j7II1oR20260@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <4304E595.6020806@shaw.ca>

I have done something similar for records management but I create the 
directory name structures from a table
easier to maintain.. One funny is trying to delete the upper root 
directory if created by the program
it may require a reboot to lose NFTS file handle of the root..

You may need this routine to check for illegal DOS filename characters
And perhaps change spaces to underscores.
If your directory filename string greater than 256, there is  trouble 
burning to Joliet CD-ROM format.

 Function NameFix(NameIn As String) As String
   Const ILLEGAL_CHARACTERS = "/\:*?<>|"""
   ' = /\:*?<>|"
   Dim i As Integer
   Dim iTmp As Integer
   'replaces illegal DOS filename character with an underscore
   NameFix = NameIn

   For i = 1 To Len(ILLEGAL_CHARACTERS)
      iTmp = InStr(1, NameFix, Mid$(ILLEGAL_CHARACTERS, i, 1))
      If iTmp > 0 Then
         Mid$(NameFix, iTmp, 1) = "_"
      End If
   Next
   'non ascii printing characters
  ' Just realized this code will also replace spaces with
  'underscores.
'to accept spaces, change
'>       If iTmp < 33 Or iTmp > 126 Then to
'>       If iTmp < 32 Or iTmp > 126 Then

   For i = 1 To Len(NameFix)
      iTmp = Asc(Mid$(NameFix, i, 1))
      If iTmp < 32 Or iTmp > 126 Then
         Mid$(NameFix, i, 1) = "_"
      End If
   Next
End Function
'============


This routine creates the directories and upper path structure if 
non-existant

'**************************************
' Name: CreateDirectoryStruct
' Description:Creates all non-existing folders in a path.
' Local or network UNC path.
'
' Inputs:CreateThisPath as string
'

'CreateDirectoryStruct("c:\temp\c\b\a")

 Sub CreateDirectoryStruct(CreateThisPath As String)

    'do initial check
    Dim ret As Boolean, temp$, ComputerName As String, IntoItCount As 
Integer, X%, _
              WakeString As String
    Dim MadeIt As Integer
    If Dir$(CreateThisPath, vbDirectory) <> "" Then Exit Sub
    'is this a network path?

    If Left$(CreateThisPath, 2) = "\\" Then ' this is a UNC NetworkPath
        'must extract the machine name first, th
        '     en get to the first folder
        IntoItCount = 3
        ComputerName = Mid$(CreateThisPath, IntoItCount, 
InStr(IntoItCount, _
                 CreateThisPath, "\") - IntoItCount)
        IntoItCount = IntoItCount + Len(ComputerName) + 1
        IntoItCount = InStr(IntoItCount, CreateThisPath, "\") + 1
        'temp = Mid$(CreateThisPath, IntoItCount
        '     , x)
    Else ' this is a regular path
        IntoItCount = 4
    End If

    WakeString = Left$(CreateThisPath, IntoItCount - 1)
    'start a loop through the CreateThisPath
    '     string

    Do
        X = InStr(IntoItCount, CreateThisPath, "\")


        If X <> 0 Then
            X = X - IntoItCount
            temp = Mid$(CreateThisPath, IntoItCount, X)
        Else
            temp = Mid$(CreateThisPath, IntoItCount)
        End If

        IntoItCount = IntoItCount + Len(temp) + 1
        temp = WakeString + temp
        'Create a directory if it doesn't alread
        '     y exist
        ret = (Dir$(temp, vbDirectory) <> "")


        If Not ret Then
            'ret& = CreateDirectory(temp, Security)
            MkDir temp
        End If

        IntoItCount = IntoItCount 'track where we are in the String
        WakeString = Left$(CreateThisPath, IntoItCount - 1)
    Loop While WakeString <> CreateThisPath

End Sub
Arthur Fuller wrote:

>The current client has distinct preferences about how files ought to be
>stored. 
>
>A client has 1:M projects.
>A project has 1:M assessments.
>An assessment concerns exactly one workstation.
>The resulting document must come out reflecting all workstations involved in
>said project for said client (this part is trivial).
>
>The client app's native directory is c:\MyClient. The subdir for said
>reports is c:\MyClient\reports.
>
>The client wants me to create a dir for each project and then plant the
>related documents in said project-subdir.
>
>This says to me that the Client table contains a directory name, and that
>the ClientProjects table also contains a directory name, and that given
>project 12356 I concatenate the above two values, plus the unique
>identifier, and create a file called "c:\MyClient\HerClient\Reports\" &
>Unique_ID & ".doc" (the resultant docs are all Word files).
>
>1. I have so far created the said doc from a template: no problems there.
>But I would like also to supply the concatenated filename so that a simple
>click on the Save button causes the file to be saved. (I should mention that
>the docs spit out by the Access app _always_ require editing; else we would
>simply dump an Access report.)
>
>Given that the client is CharlotteFoust and that her docs get sent to
>c:\MyClient\HerClient\CharlotteFoust, then I want Word to realize that the
>created document should be called "c:\MyClient\HerClient\CharlotteFoust\" &
>Unique_ID & ".doc" -- and placed in subdir (create if required) Project
>20050818.
>
>I don't want the user to have to name the file. I want that to have already
>been done, so she can click Save after her edits and that's that.
>
>Had I been granted the discretion to design this particular model, I would
>not have chosen this path. That however is not the issue. The issue is that
>the client and her employees want to do it this way. 
>
>Advice, guidance, assaults on the model, all gratefully accepted.
>
>
>  
>

-- 
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada





From shamil at users.mns.ru  Thu Aug 18 15:30:09 2005
From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 00:30:09 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8689A81C@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <009101c5a433$a26b3730$6401a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru>

<<<
would evangalize like crazy! ;-}
>>>
Exciting perspective! Anybody has money to pay for this work to accept
evangelizing crowds together? :)
(I'm sorry, I have no free resources and spare time right now but I'd make
it implemented quickly for moderate payment  after I finish the current
project - somewhere middle of the next month I expect.)

<<<
I LOVE being able to
> build methods and properties in the abstract and test them extensively
> before I ever create a UI object that uses them
>>>
Yes, this is one of XP's core ideas/methods - unit testing - and it gives a
lot of confidence that developed software will be stable....

<<<
It is really an extension of spec writing,
since you can easily model a spec
>>>
Yes, and acceptance tests are getting created while you're coding....
And regression testing when new features are implemented becomes just a
childish game opposed to traditional development/testing when it usually
takes a lot of time...

<<<
> Ndoc stuff, but  I am NOT a C (any flavor) programmer and don't want to
> become one.
>>>
I don't see big difference between C# and VB.NET - they both like VB6/VBA
for me:)
Even easier to use them in fact - no need usually to care about grabage
collection, which have to be manually done in VB6/VBA advanced
programming...

Just give it a try to program on C#  - I guess you will need just a few days
to start programming on it ...

As for XML comments - they say VBCommenter can help here -
http://www.gotdotnet.com/workspaces/workspace.aspx?id=112b5449-f702-46e2-87fa-86bdf39a17dd
(I didn't try it).

And the docs NDoc (and the like) create are very good.

I think it would be very useful addition to your Unit Testing/XP pratices -
to create impressive and useful program documentation while you are
coding....

Shamil

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 11:51 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..


> I don't think it would be "broadly" used because it isn't used enough
> now even in languages that support it, but developers who become
> familiar with it, would evangalize like crazy! ;-}  I LOVE being able to
> build methods and properties in the abstract and test them extensively
> before I ever create a UI object that uses them.  It is really an
> extension of spec writing, since you can easily model a spec and test to
> see if the results you get are the ones you expect.  I've looked at the
> Ndoc stuff, but  I am NOT a C (any flavor) programmer and don't want to
> become one.
>
> Charlotte
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Shamil Salakhetdinov [mailto:shamil at users.mns.ru]
> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 11:48 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
>
>
> > Like Nunit testing, for instance.  Now THERE's a topic I could get
> > excited about if someone would like to rewrite it to work with VBA ...
> So, you wanted JUnit/NUnit ideas ported to MS Access/VBA?
> We're thinking in the same direction :)
> Do you think it could be broadly used? (VBA is getting "dead" language?)
>
> Yes, VBA/Access Unit  testing can be done several ways.
> I'd use open source NUnit sources for starters....
> Rough estimation: not that much work - one/a couple of months  - anybody
> to sponsor? :)
>
> What about NDoc(http://ndoc.sourceforge.net/) ?
> Also wanted to port it to VBA? - no problem - any sponsors? :)
>
> Shamil
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 10:23 PM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
>
>
> > Yes, I work with ADO.Net a lot, but in VB.Net, not Access, and I
> > haven't even looked at C#.  Most of my time is now spent in VB.Net,
> > but I keep thinking of how nice it would be to be able to do some of
> > these things with Access ... Like Nunit testing, for instance.  Now
> > THERE's a topic I could get excited about if someone would like to
> > rewrite it to work with VBA ... Hint, hint, hint. ;-}
> >
> > Charlotte
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Shamil Salakhetdinov [mailto:shamil at users.mns.ru]
> > Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 11:04 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
> >
> >
> > > but have never had time to really pursue it.
> > Yes, the same thoughts/experience here.
> > Finally ADO.NET and WithEvents should make it rather easy to
> > implement...
> >
> > I think/plan, I will return to this subject end of the next week,
> > hopefully with some new results to publish as public domain/open
> > source...
> >
> > Meanwhile I have to finish reading two books about XP in C#  and "MS
> > Object Thinking" and make some experiments in ADO.NET and a good
> > progress in a pending urgent project...
> >
> > Any ideas about directions in which to develop this small project are
> > very welcome!
> >
> > Thank you for your support!
> >
> > Shamil
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
> > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 9:30 PM
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
> >
> >
> > > Not interesting, Shamil, FASCINATING!  Yes, I do hope you continue
> > > this thread.  Please!  I've often thought of this kind of thing but
> > > have never had time to really pursue it.
> > >
> > > Charlotte Foust
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Shamil Salakhetdinov [mailto:shamil at users.mns.ru]
> > > Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 10:02 AM
> > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
> > >
> > >
> > > Charlotte,
> > >
> > > Your <VBG> means you're interested in continuation of this
> > > subject/thread or...? In my plans is to extend and make all the
> > > source
> >
> > > code available. How soon it will happen this is an open question - I
>
> > > have an urgent project here. But I do plan to continue this thread
> > > and
> >
> > > work if this looks interesting for you and others here. Maybe even
> > > make it open source project here when first useful results will be
> > > achieved? It would be interesting I guess to make it also XP(eXtreme
> > > Programming) style work with your being subject area expert - I mean
>
> > > your best knowing in what scenarios and in what business areas is
> > > the best to use MS Access in bound but disconnected mode with most
> > > of the software (MS Access FE
> > > databases) developed by power users but integrated by "mighty MS
> > > Access developers"? :)
> > >
> > > I know how to do all that, I know how to make MS Access applications
>
> > > assembly factories etc. - I have all that experience and I can share
>
> > > it if/when I will have spare time - is that interesting?
> > >
> > > Shamil
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
> > > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 7:35 PM
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
> > >
> > >
> > > > Oooohhh, I think I'm in love!  <VBG>
> > > >
> > > > Charlotte Foust
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Shamil Salakhetdinov [mailto:shamil at users.mns.ru]
> > > > Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 4:46 AM
> > > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > No, William, this is not replication - here is what I mean in
> > > > short:
> > > >
> > > > http://www.smsconsulting.spb.ru/shamil_s/articles/ddo.htm
> > > >
> > > > Shamil
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "William Hindman" <dejpolsys at hotmail.com>
> > > > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > > Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 3:47 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Shamil
> > > > >
> > > > > ..I must be missing something ...that sounds like replication to
>
> > > > > me.
> > > > >
> > > > > William
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil at users.mns.ru>
> > > > > To: "!DBA-MAIN" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 7:28 PM
> > > > > Subject: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Hi All,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I wanted to ask you - what about the subject?
> > > > > > Anybody uses/interested to use MS Access client applications
> > > > > > this way?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Do I miss obvious (RTFM) stuff and such a disconnected mode is
>
> > > > > > already implemented in MS Access and broadly used by MS Access
>
> > > > > > developers? Yes,
> > > > I
> > > > > > know ADO recordsets can be used with bound MS Access forms
> > > > > > etc. but this looks like a rather limited feature - am I
> > > > > > wrong?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What I mean is cashing data locally into mdbs, only the data
> > > > > > needed for the currently open form(s) etc., processing this
> > > > > > data
> >
> > > > > > and then updating backend database(mdb, MSDE, MS SQL,
> > > > > > whatever...)
> > >
> > > > > > - with all this cashing and updating made mostly automatically
>
> > > > > > by a tiny framework code, based
> > > > on
> > > > > > ADO.NET...(yes, this local caching of data is not a new
> > > > > > subject but nowadays it can be (re-)implement really scalable
> > > > > > way with a
> >
> > > > > > way less efforts
> > > > than
> > > > > > before)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Maybe MS plans to do something like that?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Is that a wheel reinvention or anybody here sees such
> > > > > > opportunity like a really useful feature in their real life
> > > > > > projects?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > For me it looks like a useful feature because it could help:
> > > > > > to get MS Access back into mainstream development area because
>
> > > > > > it will allow to easily scale applications with MS Access
> > > > > > front-ends...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > There are many other ideas but most of them in this "ideas
> > > > > > pool"
> >
> > > > > > based
> > > > on
> > > > > > the subject one - if it doesn't make sense for real-life
> > > > > > projects then
> > > > I'd
> > > > > > better stop working on it...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What is your opinion about the subject?
> > > > > > When you expect MS will do something like that in MS Access?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thank you,
> > > > > > Shamil
> > > > > >
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From shamil at users.mns.ru  Thu Aug 18 15:43:07 2005
From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 00:43:07 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
References: <012601c5a42f$b4751f80$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <009d01c5a435$79dd10c0$6401a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru>

> So much to know, so few years remaining.
The same problem here :(

Go C#! - just a week to start with it - and it's as high level programming
language as VB6/VBA, even higher.
And you will save a lot of time.
And the "cutest and coolest" stuff appears first of all in .NET Framework
for C#...

As for VB.NET -> C# conversion I recently used one of free online tools like
this one - http://www.carlosag.net/Tools/CodeTranslator/Default.aspx to
convert a lot of VB.NET code.
 In fact I did convert last autumn a lot of VBA code to VB.NET(three big MS
Excel Add-Ins) using VS.NET 2003 converter + of course manual conversion.
And then this July I converted VB.NET to C# using free online tools. Quite
some manual work is still needed but it's mostly mechanical. And I did spend
about two months to write original VBA code of these three MS Excel add-ins
VBA-> VB.NET conversion was done in a week and all worked OK.
C#->VB.NET conversion - it took a couple of days and all worked OK also of
course (but I didn't convert all the VB.NET code)

Shamil

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John W. Colby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 12:01 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..


> I have VS.Net 2002 and it isn't clear that it works with that.  I also
have
> VB.Net Express (2005).  In either case all I know at this point is that if
> you comment your code in some unknown format a tool will allow you to
export
> the comments to a help file.  Sigh.
>
> So much to know, so few years remaining.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
> http://folding.stanford.edu/
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
> Salakhetdinov
> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 3:47 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
>
>
> Yes, I do use it with but with C# projects.
>
> They (MS) have XML comments in VS.NET 2005's VB.NET (to be released this
> November?)
>
> As for VB.NET in VS.NET 2003 - I have heard there is a tool to work with
XML
> comments in it but I don't know how good it's - this is VBCommenter -
>
http://www.gotdotnet.com/workspaces/workspace.aspx?id=112b5449-f702-46e2-87f
> a-86bdf39a17dd - And it exports XML comments to be used by NDoc? I didn't
> check that but it's stated here:
>
> "NDoc generates class library documentation from .NET assemblies and the
XML
> documentation files generated by the C# compiler (or with an add-on tool
for
> VB.NET)." http://ndoc.sourceforge.net/
>
> Sorry, I don't have any more info on NDoc - I did start to use it just
last
> month...
>
> HTH,
> Shamil
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "John W. Colby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 11:23 PM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
>
>
> > Shamil,
> >
> > Do you use Ndoc?  I was just about to post a question on how to figure
> that
> > out and tie it in to my VB.Net projects.
> >
> > John W. Colby
> > www.ColbyConsulting.com
> >
> > Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
> > http://folding.stanford.edu/
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
> > Salakhetdinov
> > Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 2:48 PM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
> >
> >
> > > Like Nunit testing, for instance.  Now THERE's a topic I could get
> > > excited about if someone would like to rewrite it to work with VBA
> > > ...
> > So, you wanted JUnit/NUnit ideas ported to MS Access/VBA? We're
> > thinking in the same direction :) Do you think it could be broadly
> > used? (VBA is getting "dead" language?)
> >
> > Yes, VBA/Access Unit  testing can be done several ways.
> > I'd use open source NUnit sources for starters....
> > Rough estimation: not that much work - one/a couple of months  -
> > anybody
> to
> > sponsor? :)
> >
> > What about NDoc(http://ndoc.sourceforge.net/) ?
> > Also wanted to port it to VBA? - no problem - any sponsors? :)
> >
> > Shamil
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
> > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 10:23 PM
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
> >
> >
> > > Yes, I work with ADO.Net a lot, but in VB.Net, not Access, and I
> > > haven't even looked at C#.  Most of my time is now spent in VB.Net,
> > > but I keep thinking of how nice it would be to be able to do some of
> > > these things with Access ... Like Nunit testing, for instance.  Now
> > > THERE's a topic I could get excited about if someone would like to
> > > rewrite it to work with VBA ... Hint, hint, hint. ;-}
> > >
> > > Charlotte
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Shamil Salakhetdinov [mailto:shamil at users.mns.ru]
> > > Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 11:04 AM
> > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
> > >
> > >
> > > > but have never had time to really pursue it.
> > > Yes, the same thoughts/experience here.
> > > Finally ADO.NET and WithEvents should make it rather easy to
> > > implement...
> > >
> > > I think/plan, I will return to this subject end of the next week,
> > > hopefully with some new results to publish as public domain/open
> > > source...
> > >
> > > Meanwhile I have to finish reading two books about XP in C#  and "MS
> > > Object Thinking" and make some experiments in ADO.NET and a good
> > > progress in a pending urgent project...
> > >
> > > Any ideas about directions in which to develop this small project
> > > are very welcome!
> > >
> > > Thank you for your support!
> > >
> > > Shamil
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
> > > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 9:30 PM
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
> > >
> > >
> > > > Not interesting, Shamil, FASCINATING!  Yes, I do hope you continue
> > > > this thread.  Please!  I've often thought of this kind of thing
> > > > but have never had time to really pursue it.
> > > >
> > > > Charlotte Foust
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Shamil Salakhetdinov [mailto:shamil at users.mns.ru]
> > > > Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 10:02 AM
> > > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Charlotte,
> > > >
> > > > Your <VBG> means you're interested in continuation of this
> > > > subject/thread or...? In my plans is to extend and make all the
> > > > source
> > >
> > > > code available. How soon it will happen this is an open question -
> > > > I have an urgent project here. But I do plan to continue this
> > > > thread and
> > >
> > > > work if this looks interesting for you and others here. Maybe even
> > > > make it open source project here when first useful results will be
> > > > achieved? It would be interesting I guess to make it also
> > > > XP(eXtreme
> > > > Programming) style work with your being subject area expert - I mean
> > > > your best knowing in what scenarios and in what business areas is
> > > > the best to use MS Access in bound but disconnected mode with most
> > > > of the software (MS Access FE
> > > > databases) developed by power users but integrated by "mighty MS
> > > > Access developers"? :)
> > > >
> > > > I know how to do all that, I know how to make MS Access
> > > > applications assembly factories etc. - I have all that experience
> > > > and I can share it if/when I will have spare time - is that
> > > > interesting?
> > > >
> > > > Shamil
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
> > > > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > > Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 7:35 PM
> > > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Oooohhh, I think I'm in love!  <VBG>
> > > > >
> > > > > Charlotte Foust
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Shamil Salakhetdinov [mailto:shamil at users.mns.ru]
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 4:46 AM
> > > > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient
> > > > > applications..
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > No, William, this is not replication - here is what I mean in
> > > > > short:
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.smsconsulting.spb.ru/shamil_s/articles/ddo.htm
> > > > >
> > > > > Shamil
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "William Hindman" <dejpolsys at hotmail.com>
> > > > > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > > > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 3:47 AM
> > > > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient
> > > > > applications..
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Shamil
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ..I must be missing something ...that sounds like replication
> > > > > > to me.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > William
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil at users.mns.ru>
> > > > > > To: "!DBA-MAIN" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 7:28 PM
> > > > > > Subject: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hi All,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I wanted to ask you - what about the subject? Anybody
> > > > > > > uses/interested to use MS Access client applications this
> > > > > > > way?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Do I miss obvious (RTFM) stuff and such a disconnected mode
> > > > > > > is already implemented in MS Access and broadly used by MS
> > > > > > > Access developers? Yes,
> > > > > I
> > > > > > > know ADO recordsets can be used with bound MS Access forms
> > > > > > > etc. but this looks like a rather limited feature - am I
> > > > > > > wrong?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > What I mean is cashing data locally into mdbs, only the data
> > > > > > > needed for the currently open form(s) etc., processing this
> > > > > > > data
> > >
> > > > > > > and then updating backend database(mdb, MSDE, MS SQL,
> > > > > > > whatever...)
> > > >
> > > > > > > - with all this cashing and updating made mostly
> > > > > > > automatically by a tiny framework code, based
> > > > > on
> > > > > > > ADO.NET...(yes, this local caching of data is not a new
> > > > > > > subject but nowadays it can be (re-)implement really
> > > > > > > scalable way with a
> > >
> > > > > > > way less efforts
> > > > > than
> > > > > > > before)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Maybe MS plans to do something like that?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Is that a wheel reinvention or anybody here sees such
> > > > > > > opportunity like a really useful feature in their real life
> > > > > > > projects?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > For me it looks like a useful feature because it could help:
> > > > > > > to get MS Access back into mainstream development area
> > > > > > > because it will allow to easily scale applications with MS
> > > > > > > Access front-ends...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > There are many other ideas but most of them in this "ideas
> > > > > > > pool"
> > >
> > > > > > > based
> > > > > on
> > > > > > > the subject one - if it doesn't make sense for real-life
> > > > > > > projects then
> > > > > I'd
> > > > > > > better stop working on it...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > What is your opinion about the subject?
> > > > > > > When you expect MS will do something like that in MS Access?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thank you,
> > > > > > > Shamil
> > > > > > >
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu Aug 18 16:00:44 2005
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 14:00:44 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86873BD5@infoserver01.infostat.local>

I'm still getting proficient at VB.Net and my object to C# is more the
punctuation than anything.  I am constrained to VB.Net where I work, and
I don't have the energy to teach myself C# at the same time. :-{

Charlotte


-----Original Message-----
From: Shamil Salakhetdinov [mailto:shamil at users.mns.ru] 
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 1:30 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..


<<<
would evangalize like crazy! ;-}
>>>
Exciting perspective! Anybody has money to pay for this work to accept
evangelizing crowds together? :) (I'm sorry, I have no free resources
and spare time right now but I'd make it implemented quickly for
moderate payment  after I finish the current project - somewhere middle
of the next month I expect.)

<<<
I LOVE being able to
> build methods and properties in the abstract and test them extensively

> before I ever create a UI object that uses them
>>>
Yes, this is one of XP's core ideas/methods - unit testing - and it
gives a lot of confidence that developed software will be stable....

<<<
It is really an extension of spec writing,
since you can easily model a spec
>>>
Yes, and acceptance tests are getting created while you're coding....
And regression testing when new features are implemented becomes just a
childish game opposed to traditional development/testing when it usually
takes a lot of time...

<<<
> Ndoc stuff, but  I am NOT a C (any flavor) programmer and don't want 
> to become one.
>>>
I don't see big difference between C# and VB.NET - they both like
VB6/VBA for me:) Even easier to use them in fact - no need usually to
care about grabage collection, which have to be manually done in VB6/VBA
advanced programming...

Just give it a try to program on C#  - I guess you will need just a few
days to start programming on it ...

As for XML comments - they say VBCommenter can help here -
http://www.gotdotnet.com/workspaces/workspace.aspx?id=112b5449-f702-46e2
-87fa-86bdf39a17dd
(I didn't try it).

And the docs NDoc (and the like) create are very good.

I think it would be very useful addition to your Unit Testing/XP
pratices - to create impressive and useful program documentation while
you are coding....

Shamil


From fhtapia at gmail.com  Thu Aug 18 18:10:03 2005
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 16:10:03 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Opening an XML recordset
Message-ID: <b874372a05081816107f8e0578@mail.gmail.com>

I have an XML document that I obtain from a webservice, I was able to creat 
the schema and using XMLPad I can see that it is infact a valid document, 
(see below). However the error Message I get from Access (2000) is that 
"Recordset cannot be created. Source XML is incomplete or invalid."

How can I make the following document a valid xml document for opening as an 
ado recordset, ie:
rst.Open "C:\ShipVia.xml", "Provider=MSPersist;", adOpenDynamic, 
adLockReadOnly, adCmdFile


thanks,

I abbreviated the doc for simplyfing the post.

<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
<root xmlns:xsd="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema" 
xmlns:od="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:officedata">
<xsd:schema>
<xsd:element name="ArrayOfWSShipViaItem">
<xsd:complexType>
<xsd:sequence>
<xsd:element ref="WSShipViaItem" minOccurs="0" maxOccurs="unbounded"/>
</xsd:sequence>
<xsd:attribute name="generated" type="xsd:dateTime"/>
</xsd:complexType>
</xsd:element>
<xsd:element name="WSShipViaItem">
<xsd:annotation>
<xsd:appinfo/>
</xsd:annotation>
<xsd:complexType>
<xsd:sequence>
<xsd:element name="ID" minOccurs="0" od:jetType="text" 
od:sqlSType="nvarchar">
<xsd:simpleType>
<xsd:restriction base="xsd:string">
<xsd:maxLength value="255"/>
</xsd:restriction>
</xsd:simpleType>
</xsd:element>
<xsd:element name="Description" minOccurs="0" od:jetType="text" 
od:sqlSType="nvarchar">
<xsd:simpleType>
<xsd:restriction base="xsd:string">
<xsd:maxLength value="255"/>
</xsd:restriction>
</xsd:simpleType>
</xsd:element>
</xsd:sequence>
</xsd:complexType>
</xsd:element>
</xsd:schema>
<ArrayOfWSShipViaItem xmlns:xsd="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema" 
xmlns:xsi="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema-instance" xmlns="
http://HAASService.org//WSAvanteData">
<WSShipViaItem>
<ID>10</ID>
<Description>FED EX P1176208147 (SKINNER)</Description>
</WSShipViaItem>
</ArrayOfWSShipViaItem>
</root>


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From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Aug 18 19:18:25 2005
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 17:18:25 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] copy string to clipboard
In-Reply-To: <4304D458.6080109@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <0ILG007540UO6X@l-daemon>

Marty: I just do not know where you come up with all this great stuff...
impressive :-) ... like many of the other awesome individuals that lurk this
list.

Jim 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 11:33 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] copy string to clipboard

Long way around for a shortcut. But this might not be so safe.

'set reference to FM20.dll in windows/system32 'MS Forms 2.0 Object Library
function getclipboard() as string
Dim dobD As DataObject
 Dim strS As String
  Set dobD = New DataObject
   dobD.GetFromClipboard
  strS = dobD.GetText
'or put in formatted see object browser
 ' dobD.SetText ("Huh??")
 ' dobD.PutInClipboard
  Debug.Print strS
getclipboard= strS
   Set dobD = Nothing
End Sub

John W. Colby wrote:

>>I've even got a simple class to take care of text to and from the
clipboard
>>    
>>
><g>
>
>And of course, so do I now, thanks to you.  <grin>  This is what makes this
>group great.
>
>John W. Colby
>www.ColbyConsulting.com 
>
>Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
>http://folding.stanford.edu/
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert
>Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 12:03 PM
>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] copy string to clipboard
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby
>Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 11:00 AM
>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] copy string to clipboard
>
>
>Where is the matching ClipGetText?
>
>John W. Colby
>www.ColbyConsulting.com 
>
>------------------------
>It's another simple API call...
>
>Private Declare Function GetClipboardData Lib "user32" (ByVal wFormat As
>Long) As Long
>
>I've even got a simple class to take care of text to and from the clipboard
><g>
>
>'*************************** clsClipBoard *************
>
>Option Compare Database
>Option Explicit
>
>
>
>' Obtaining Clipboard Data using API
>' (needed for VBA since no Clipboard Object) -- can also paste the data to
a
>control ' *************************************************************
>
>' ******* Place following in declarations *********
>Private Declare Function OpenClipboard Lib "user32" (ByVal hWnd As Long) As
>Long Private Declare Function CloseClipboard Lib "user32" () As Long
Private
>Declare Function EmptyClipboard Lib "user32" () As Long Private Declare
>Function SetClipboardData Lib "user32" (ByVal wFormat As Long, ByVal hMem
As
>Long) As Long Private Declare Function GetClipboardData Lib "user32" (ByVal
>wFormat As
>Long) As Long
>Private Declare Function GlobalAlloc Lib "kernel32" (ByVal wFlags&, ByVal
>dwBytes As Long) As Long Private Declare Function GlobalLock Lib "kernel32"
>(ByVal hMem As Long) As Long Private Declare Function GlobalUnlock Lib
>"kernel32" (ByVal hMem As Long) As Long Private Declare Function GlobalSize
>Lib "kernel32" (ByVal hMem As Long) As Long Private Declare Function
lstrcpy
>Lib "kernel32" (ByVal lpString1 As Any, ByVal lpString2 As Any) As Long
>
>Const GHND = &H42
>Const CF_TEXT = 1
>Const MAXSIZE = 4096
>
>Function GetTextData() As String
>   Dim hClipMemory As Long
>   Dim lpClipMemory As Long
>   Dim MyString As String
>   Dim RetVal As Long
>
>   If OpenClipboard(0&) = 0 Then
>      MsgBox "Cannot open Clipboard. Another app. may have it open", ,
>"Clipboard"
>
>      Exit Function
>   End If
>
>   ' Obtain the handle to the global memory
>   ' block that is referencing the text.
>   hClipMemory = GetClipboardData(CF_TEXT)
>   If IsNull(hClipMemory) Then
>      MsgBox "Could not allocate memory", , "Clipboard"
>   Else
>   
>      ' Lock Clipboard memory so we can reference
>      ' the actual data string.
>      lpClipMemory = GlobalLock(hClipMemory)
>   
>      If Not IsNull(lpClipMemory) Then
>   
>         MyString = SPACE$(MAXSIZE)
>         RetVal = lstrcpy(MyString, lpClipMemory)
>         RetVal = GlobalUnlock(hClipMemory)
>   
>         ' Peel off the null terminating character.
>         MyString = uMid(MyString, 1, InStr(1, MyString, Chr$(0), 0) - 1)
>      Else
>         MsgBox "Could not lock memory to copy string from.", , "Clipboard"
>      End If
>   
>   End If
>
>   RetVal = CloseClipboard()
>   GetTextData = MyString
>
>End Function
>
>Sub SetTextData(MyString As String)
>   Dim hGlobalMemory As Long, lpGlobalMemory As Long
>   Dim hClipMemory As Long, x As Long
>
>   ' Allocate movable global memory.
>   '-------------------------------------------
>   hGlobalMemory = GlobalAlloc(GHND, Len(MyString) + 1)
>
>   ' Lock the block to get a far pointer
>   ' to this memory.
>   lpGlobalMemory = GlobalLock(hGlobalMemory)
>
>   ' Copy the string to this global memory.
>   lpGlobalMemory = lstrcpy(lpGlobalMemory, MyString)
>
>   ' Unlock the memory.
>   If GlobalUnlock(hGlobalMemory) <> 0 Then
>      MsgBox "Could not unlock memory location. Copy aborted.", ,
>"Clipboard"
>   Else
>      ' Open the Clipboard to copy data to.
>      If OpenClipboard(0&) = 0 Then
>         MsgBox "Could not open the Clipboard. Copy aborted.", ,
"Clipboard"
>         Exit Sub
>      End If
>   
>      ' Clear the Clipboard.
>      x = EmptyClipboard()
>   
>      ' Copy the data to the Clipboard.
>      hClipMemory = SetClipboardData(CF_TEXT, hGlobalMemory)
>   End If
>
>   If CloseClipboard() = 0 Then
>      MsgBox "Could not close Clipboard.", , "Clipboard"
>   End If
>
>End Sub
>   
>'********************************************
>  
>

-- 
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada



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From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Aug 18 19:29:39 2005
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 17:29:39 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Why did Mac switch to Intel revisted
In-Reply-To: <b874372a05081816107f8e0578@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0ILG00CAK1DE5C@l-daemon>

OT:

Another reason why Mac switched? http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=25496

Jim



From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Aug 18 19:15:25 2005
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 17:15:25 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
In-Reply-To: <009d01c5a435$79dd10c0$6401a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru>
Message-ID: <0ILG00BMU0POGD@l-daemon>

Hi Shamil:

But do not get too fancy with the code your wish to translate or it bales
quite unceremoniously. Straight forward stuff works great but be careful
with different references and/or 'using' assemblies.

Great information Shamil :-) 
Jim  

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
Salakhetdinov
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 1:43 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..

> So much to know, so few years remaining.
The same problem here :(

Go C#! - just a week to start with it - and it's as high level programming
language as VB6/VBA, even higher.
And you will save a lot of time.
And the "cutest and coolest" stuff appears first of all in .NET Framework
for C#...

As for VB.NET -> C# conversion I recently used one of free online tools like
this one - http://www.carlosag.net/Tools/CodeTranslator/Default.aspx to
convert a lot of VB.NET code.
 In fact I did convert last autumn a lot of VBA code to VB.NET(three big MS
Excel Add-Ins) using VS.NET 2003 converter + of course manual conversion.
And then this July I converted VB.NET to C# using free online tools. Quite
some manual work is still needed but it's mostly mechanical. And I did spend
about two months to write original VBA code of these three MS Excel add-ins
VBA-> VB.NET conversion was done in a week and all worked OK.
C#->VB.NET conversion - it took a couple of days and all worked OK also of
course (but I didn't convert all the VB.NET code)

Shamil

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John W. Colby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 12:01 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..


> I have VS.Net 2002 and it isn't clear that it works with that.  I also
have
> VB.Net Express (2005).  In either case all I know at this point is that if
> you comment your code in some unknown format a tool will allow you to
export
> the comments to a help file.  Sigh.
>
> So much to know, so few years remaining.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
> http://folding.stanford.edu/
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
> Salakhetdinov
> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 3:47 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
>
>
> Yes, I do use it with but with C# projects.
>
> They (MS) have XML comments in VS.NET 2005's VB.NET (to be released this
> November?)
>
> As for VB.NET in VS.NET 2003 - I have heard there is a tool to work with
XML
> comments in it but I don't know how good it's - this is VBCommenter -
>
http://www.gotdotnet.com/workspaces/workspace.aspx?id=112b5449-f702-46e2-87f
> a-86bdf39a17dd - And it exports XML comments to be used by NDoc? I didn't
> check that but it's stated here:
>
> "NDoc generates class library documentation from .NET assemblies and the
XML
> documentation files generated by the C# compiler (or with an add-on tool
for
> VB.NET)." http://ndoc.sourceforge.net/
>
> Sorry, I don't have any more info on NDoc - I did start to use it just
last
> month...
>
> HTH,
> Shamil
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "John W. Colby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 11:23 PM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
>
>
> > Shamil,
> >
> > Do you use Ndoc?  I was just about to post a question on how to figure
> that
> > out and tie it in to my VB.Net projects.
> >
> > John W. Colby
> > www.ColbyConsulting.com
> >
> > Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
> > http://folding.stanford.edu/
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
> > Salakhetdinov
> > Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 2:48 PM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
> >
> >
> > > Like Nunit testing, for instance.  Now THERE's a topic I could get
> > > excited about if someone would like to rewrite it to work with VBA
> > > ...
> > So, you wanted JUnit/NUnit ideas ported to MS Access/VBA? We're
> > thinking in the same direction :) Do you think it could be broadly
> > used? (VBA is getting "dead" language?)
> >
> > Yes, VBA/Access Unit  testing can be done several ways.
> > I'd use open source NUnit sources for starters....
> > Rough estimation: not that much work - one/a couple of months  -
> > anybody
> to
> > sponsor? :)
> >
> > What about NDoc(http://ndoc.sourceforge.net/) ?
> > Also wanted to port it to VBA? - no problem - any sponsors? :)
> >
> > Shamil
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
> > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 10:23 PM
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
> >
> >
> > > Yes, I work with ADO.Net a lot, but in VB.Net, not Access, and I
> > > haven't even looked at C#.  Most of my time is now spent in VB.Net,
> > > but I keep thinking of how nice it would be to be able to do some of
> > > these things with Access ... Like Nunit testing, for instance.  Now
> > > THERE's a topic I could get excited about if someone would like to
> > > rewrite it to work with VBA ... Hint, hint, hint. ;-}
> > >
> > > Charlotte
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Shamil Salakhetdinov [mailto:shamil at users.mns.ru]
> > > Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 11:04 AM
> > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
> > >
> > >
> > > > but have never had time to really pursue it.
> > > Yes, the same thoughts/experience here.
> > > Finally ADO.NET and WithEvents should make it rather easy to
> > > implement...
> > >
> > > I think/plan, I will return to this subject end of the next week,
> > > hopefully with some new results to publish as public domain/open
> > > source...
> > >
> > > Meanwhile I have to finish reading two books about XP in C#  and "MS
> > > Object Thinking" and make some experiments in ADO.NET and a good
> > > progress in a pending urgent project...
> > >
> > > Any ideas about directions in which to develop this small project
> > > are very welcome!
> > >
> > > Thank you for your support!
> > >
> > > Shamil
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
> > > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 9:30 PM
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
> > >
> > >
> > > > Not interesting, Shamil, FASCINATING!  Yes, I do hope you continue
> > > > this thread.  Please!  I've often thought of this kind of thing
> > > > but have never had time to really pursue it.
> > > >
> > > > Charlotte Foust
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Shamil Salakhetdinov [mailto:shamil at users.mns.ru]
> > > > Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 10:02 AM
> > > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Charlotte,
> > > >
> > > > Your <VBG> means you're interested in continuation of this
> > > > subject/thread or...? In my plans is to extend and make all the
> > > > source
> > >
> > > > code available. How soon it will happen this is an open question -
> > > > I have an urgent project here. But I do plan to continue this
> > > > thread and
> > >
> > > > work if this looks interesting for you and others here. Maybe even
> > > > make it open source project here when first useful results will be
> > > > achieved? It would be interesting I guess to make it also
> > > > XP(eXtreme
> > > > Programming) style work with your being subject area expert - I mean
> > > > your best knowing in what scenarios and in what business areas is
> > > > the best to use MS Access in bound but disconnected mode with most
> > > > of the software (MS Access FE
> > > > databases) developed by power users but integrated by "mighty MS
> > > > Access developers"? :)
> > > >
> > > > I know how to do all that, I know how to make MS Access
> > > > applications assembly factories etc. - I have all that experience
> > > > and I can share it if/when I will have spare time - is that
> > > > interesting?
> > > >
> > > > Shamil
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
> > > > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > > Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 7:35 PM
> > > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Oooohhh, I think I'm in love!  <VBG>
> > > > >
> > > > > Charlotte Foust
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Shamil Salakhetdinov [mailto:shamil at users.mns.ru]
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 4:46 AM
> > > > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient
> > > > > applications..
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > No, William, this is not replication - here is what I mean in
> > > > > short:
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.smsconsulting.spb.ru/shamil_s/articles/ddo.htm
> > > > >
> > > > > Shamil
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "William Hindman" <dejpolsys at hotmail.com>
> > > > > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > > > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 3:47 AM
> > > > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient
> > > > > applications..
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Shamil
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ..I must be missing something ...that sounds like replication
> > > > > > to me.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > William
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil at users.mns.ru>
> > > > > > To: "!DBA-MAIN" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 7:28 PM
> > > > > > Subject: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hi All,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I wanted to ask you - what about the subject? Anybody
> > > > > > > uses/interested to use MS Access client applications this
> > > > > > > way?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Do I miss obvious (RTFM) stuff and such a disconnected mode
> > > > > > > is already implemented in MS Access and broadly used by MS
> > > > > > > Access developers? Yes,
> > > > > I
> > > > > > > know ADO recordsets can be used with bound MS Access forms
> > > > > > > etc. but this looks like a rather limited feature - am I
> > > > > > > wrong?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > What I mean is cashing data locally into mdbs, only the data
> > > > > > > needed for the currently open form(s) etc., processing this
> > > > > > > data
> > >
> > > > > > > and then updating backend database(mdb, MSDE, MS SQL,
> > > > > > > whatever...)
> > > >
> > > > > > > - with all this cashing and updating made mostly
> > > > > > > automatically by a tiny framework code, based
> > > > > on
> > > > > > > ADO.NET...(yes, this local caching of data is not a new
> > > > > > > subject but nowadays it can be (re-)implement really
> > > > > > > scalable way with a
> > >
> > > > > > > way less efforts
> > > > > than
> > > > > > > before)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Maybe MS plans to do something like that?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Is that a wheel reinvention or anybody here sees such
> > > > > > > opportunity like a really useful feature in their real life
> > > > > > > projects?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > For me it looks like a useful feature because it could help:
> > > > > > > to get MS Access back into mainstream development area
> > > > > > > because it will allow to easily scale applications with MS
> > > > > > > Access front-ends...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > There are many other ideas but most of them in this "ideas
> > > > > > > pool"
> > >
> > > > > > > based
> > > > > on
> > > > > > > the subject one - if it doesn't make sense for real-life
> > > > > > > projects then
> > > > > I'd
> > > > > > > better stop working on it...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > What is your opinion about the subject?
> > > > > > > When you expect MS will do something like that in MS Access?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thank you,
> > > > > > > Shamil
> > > > > > >
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu Aug 18 20:16:40 2005
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 18:16:40 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Opening an XML recordset
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8689A821@infoserver01.infostat.local>

I've never tried to do what you're doing, but here's a sample of the
relevant part of an xml doc persisted from Access using the MSPersist
driver.  Is that useful at all?

Charlotte

<xml xmlns:s='uuid:BDC6E3F0-6DA3-11d1-A2A3-00AA00C14882'
	xmlns:dt='uuid:C2F41010-65B3-11d1-A29F-00AA00C14882'
	xmlns:rs='urn:schemas-microsoft-com:rowset'
	xmlns:z='#RowsetSchema'>
<s:Schema id='RowsetSchema'>
	<s:ElementType name='row' content='eltOnly' rs:updatable='true'>
		<s:AttributeType name='CustomerID' rs:number='1'
rs:nullable='true' rs:maydefer='true' rs:write='true'
rs:basetable='tblOrders'
			 rs:basecolumn='CustomerID'>
			<s:datatype dt:type='string' dt:maxLength='5'/>
		</s:AttributeType>
		<s:AttributeType name='EmployeeID' rs:number='2'
rs:nullable='true' rs:maydefer='true' rs:write='true'
rs:basetable='tblOrders'
			 rs:basecolumn='EmployeeID'>
			<s:datatype dt:type='int' dt:maxLength='4'
rs:precision='10' rs:fixedlength='true'/>
		</s:AttributeType>
		<s:AttributeType name='Freight' rs:number='3'
rs:nullable='true' rs:maydefer='true' rs:write='true'
rs:basetable='tblOrders'
			 rs:basecolumn='Freight'>
			<s:datatype dt:type='number'
rs:dbtype='currency' dt:maxLength='8' rs:precision='19'
rs:fixedlength='true'/>
		</s:AttributeType>
		<s:AttributeType name='OrderDate' rs:number='4'
rs:nullable='true' rs:maydefer='true' rs:write='true'
rs:basetable='tblOrders'
			 rs:basecolumn='OrderDate'>
			<s:datatype dt:type='dateTime'
rs:dbtype='variantdate' dt:maxLength='16' rs:fixedlength='true'/>
		</s:AttributeType>
		<s:AttributeType name='OrderID' rs:number='5'
rs:maydefer='true' rs:writeunknown='true' rs:basetable='tblOrders'
			 rs:basecolumn='OrderID'
rs:autoincrement='true'>
			<s:datatype dt:type='int' dt:maxLength='4'
rs:precision='10' rs:fixedlength='true'/>
		</s:AttributeType>
		<s:AttributeType name='RequiredDate' rs:number='6'
rs:nullable='true' rs:maydefer='true' rs:write='true'
rs:basetable='tblOrders'
			 rs:basecolumn='RequiredDate'>
			<s:datatype dt:type='dateTime'
rs:dbtype='variantdate' dt:maxLength='16' rs:fixedlength='true'/>
		</s:AttributeType>
		<s:AttributeType name='ShipAddress' rs:number='7'
rs:nullable='true' rs:maydefer='true' rs:write='true'
rs:basetable='tblOrders'
			 rs:basecolumn='ShipAddress'>
			<s:datatype dt:type='string' dt:maxLength='60'/>
		</s:AttributeType>
		<s:AttributeType name='ShipCity' rs:number='8'
rs:nullable='true' rs:maydefer='true' rs:write='true'
rs:basetable='tblOrders'
			 rs:basecolumn='ShipCity'>
			<s:datatype dt:type='string' dt:maxLength='15'/>
		</s:AttributeType>
		<s:AttributeType name='ShipCountry' rs:number='9'
rs:nullable='true' rs:maydefer='true' rs:write='true'
rs:basetable='tblOrders'
			 rs:basecolumn='ShipCountry'>
			<s:datatype dt:type='string' dt:maxLength='15'/>
		</s:AttributeType>
		<s:AttributeType name='ShipName' rs:number='10'
rs:nullable='true' rs:maydefer='true' rs:write='true'
rs:basetable='tblOrders'
			 rs:basecolumn='ShipName'>
			<s:datatype dt:type='string' dt:maxLength='40'/>
		</s:AttributeType>
		<s:AttributeType name='ShippedDate' rs:number='11'
rs:nullable='true' rs:maydefer='true' rs:write='true'
rs:basetable='tblOrders'
			 rs:basecolumn='ShippedDate'>
			<s:datatype dt:type='dateTime'
rs:dbtype='variantdate' dt:maxLength='16' rs:fixedlength='true'/>
		</s:AttributeType>
		<s:AttributeType name='ShipPostalCode' rs:number='12'
rs:nullable='true' rs:maydefer='true' rs:write='true'
			 rs:basetable='tblOrders'
rs:basecolumn='ShipPostalCode'>
			<s:datatype dt:type='string' dt:maxLength='10'/>
		</s:AttributeType>
		<s:AttributeType name='ShipRegion' rs:number='13'
rs:nullable='true' rs:maydefer='true' rs:write='true'
rs:basetable='tblOrders'
			 rs:basecolumn='ShipRegion'>
			<s:datatype dt:type='string' dt:maxLength='15'/>
		</s:AttributeType>
		<s:AttributeType name='ShipVia' rs:number='14'
rs:nullable='true' rs:maydefer='true' rs:write='true'
rs:basetable='tblOrders'
			 rs:basecolumn='ShipVia'>
			<s:datatype dt:type='int' dt:maxLength='4'
rs:precision='10' rs:fixedlength='true'/>
		</s:AttributeType>
		<s:extends type='rs:rowbase'/>
	</s:ElementType>
</s:Schema>
<rs:data>
	<z:row CustomerID='ALFKI' EmployeeID='4' Freight='61.02'
OrderDate='1997-10-03T00:00:00' OrderID='10692'
RequiredDate='1997-10-31T00:00:00'
		 ShipAddress='Obere Str. 57' ShipCity='Berlin'
ShipCountry='Germany' ShipName='Alfreds Futterkiste'
ShippedDate='1997-10-13T00:00:00'
		 ShipPostalCode='12209' ShipVia='2'/>


-----Original Message-----
From: Francisco Tapia [mailto:fhtapia at gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 4:10 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Opening an XML recordset


I have an XML document that I obtain from a webservice, I was able to
creat 
the schema and using XMLPad I can see that it is infact a valid
document, 
(see below). However the error Message I get from Access (2000) is that 
"Recordset cannot be created. Source XML is incomplete or invalid."

How can I make the following document a valid xml document for opening
as an 
ado recordset, ie:
rst.Open "C:\ShipVia.xml", "Provider=MSPersist;", adOpenDynamic, 
adLockReadOnly, adCmdFile


thanks,

I abbreviated the doc for simplyfing the post.

<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
<root xmlns:xsd="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema" 
xmlns:od="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:officedata">
<xsd:schema>
<xsd:element name="ArrayOfWSShipViaItem">
<xsd:complexType>
<xsd:sequence>
<xsd:element ref="WSShipViaItem" minOccurs="0" maxOccurs="unbounded"/>
</xsd:sequence> <xsd:attribute name="generated" type="xsd:dateTime"/>
</xsd:complexType> </xsd:element> <xsd:element name="WSShipViaItem">
<xsd:annotation> <xsd:appinfo/> </xsd:annotation> <xsd:complexType>
<xsd:sequence> <xsd:element name="ID" minOccurs="0" od:jetType="text" 
od:sqlSType="nvarchar">
<xsd:simpleType>
<xsd:restriction base="xsd:string">
<xsd:maxLength value="255"/>
</xsd:restriction>
</xsd:simpleType>
</xsd:element>
<xsd:element name="Description" minOccurs="0" od:jetType="text" 
od:sqlSType="nvarchar">
<xsd:simpleType>
<xsd:restriction base="xsd:string">
<xsd:maxLength value="255"/>
</xsd:restriction>
</xsd:simpleType>
</xsd:element>
</xsd:sequence>
</xsd:complexType>
</xsd:element>
</xsd:schema>
<ArrayOfWSShipViaItem xmlns:xsd="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema" 
xmlns:xsi="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema-instance" xmlns="
http://HAASService.org//WSAvanteData">
<WSShipViaItem>
<ID>10</ID>
<Description>FED EX P1176208147 (SKINNER)</Description> </WSShipViaItem>
</ArrayOfWSShipViaItem> </root>


-- 
-Francisco


From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Thu Aug 18 22:57:14 2005
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 20:57:14 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Opening an XML recordset
References: <b874372a05081816107f8e0578@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4305589A.1030003@shaw.ca>

The XML parses okay but you are trying to bring in a flat xml file with 
a self-contained xsd file
The ado call is expecting an ADTG formatted xml (MS special xml format 
definition for an ado recordset)  
As Charlotte said. You are going to have to parse each element out to a 
recordset field via the DOM.
Not a pleasant task. Generally when I use SOAP from a web service I 
parse out the relevant field strings
via XPATH from the DOM, if am I getting a limited amount of data say 
less than 1 K..
This is a lot easier to do with SQLXML

You could apply this xslt transform to remove all the ADTG junk to 
create a flat xml.
but that is not what you need.
ADOGeneric.xsl
<?xml version='1.0'?>
<xsl:stylesheet version="1.0" 
xmlns:xsl="http://www.w3.org/1999/XSL/Transform" 
xmlns:s="uuid:BDC6E3F0-6DA3-11d1-A2A3-00AA00C14882" xmlns:z="#RowsetSchema">
    <s:Schema id="RowsetSchema"/>
<xsl:output method="xml" omit-xml-declaration="yes" />
<xsl:template match="/">
    <xsl:apply-templates select="//z:row"/>
</xsl:template>

<xsl:template match="z:row">
    <xsl:text disable-output-escaping="yes">&lt;row&gt;</xsl:text>
        <xsl:for-each select="@*">
            <xsl:text disable-output-escaping="yes">&lt;</xsl:text>
            <xsl:value-of select="name()"/>
            <xsl:text disable-output-escaping="yes">&gt;</xsl:text>
            <xsl:value-of select="."/>
            <xsl:text disable-output-escaping="yes">&lt;/</xsl:text>
            <xsl:value-of select="name()"/>
            <xsl:text disable-output-escaping="yes">&gt;</xsl:text>
        </xsl:for-each>
    <xsl:text disable-output-escaping="yes">&lt;/row&gt;</xsl:text>
</xsl:template>
</xsl:stylesheet>


Francisco Tapia wrote:

>I have an XML document that I obtain from a webservice, I was able to creat 
>the schema and using XMLPad I can see that it is infact a valid document, 
>(see below). However the error Message I get from Access (2000) is that 
>"Recordset cannot be created. Source XML is incomplete or invalid."
>
>How can I make the following document a valid xml document for opening as an 
>ado recordset, ie:
>rst.Open "C:\ShipVia.xml", "Provider=MSPersist;", adOpenDynamic, 
>adLockReadOnly, adCmdFile
>
>
>thanks,
>
>I abbreviated the doc for simplyfing the post.
>
><?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
><root xmlns:xsd="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema" 
>xmlns:od="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:officedata">
><xsd:schema>
><xsd:element name="ArrayOfWSShipViaItem">
><xsd:complexType>
><xsd:sequence>
><xsd:element ref="WSShipViaItem" minOccurs="0" maxOccurs="unbounded"/>
></xsd:sequence>
><xsd:attribute name="generated" type="xsd:dateTime"/>
></xsd:complexType>
></xsd:element>
><xsd:element name="WSShipViaItem">
><xsd:annotation>
><xsd:appinfo/>
></xsd:annotation>
><xsd:complexType>
><xsd:sequence>
><xsd:element name="ID" minOccurs="0" od:jetType="text" 
>od:sqlSType="nvarchar">
><xsd:simpleType>
><xsd:restriction base="xsd:string">
><xsd:maxLength value="255"/>
></xsd:restriction>
></xsd:simpleType>
></xsd:element>
><xsd:element name="Description" minOccurs="0" od:jetType="text" 
>od:sqlSType="nvarchar">
><xsd:simpleType>
><xsd:restriction base="xsd:string">
><xsd:maxLength value="255"/>
></xsd:restriction>
></xsd:simpleType>
></xsd:element>
></xsd:sequence>
></xsd:complexType>
></xsd:element>
></xsd:schema>
><ArrayOfWSShipViaItem xmlns:xsd="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema" 
>xmlns:xsi="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema-instance" xmlns="
>http://HAASService.org//WSAvanteData">
><WSShipViaItem>
><ID>10</ID>
><Description>FED EX P1176208147 (SKINNER)</Description>
></WSShipViaItem>
></ArrayOfWSShipViaItem>
></root>
>
>
>  
>

-- 
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada





From shamil at users.mns.ru  Fri Aug 19 00:54:24 2005
From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 09:54:24 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Why did Mac switch to Intel revisted
References: <0ILG00CAK1DE5C@l-daemon>
Message-ID: <004701c5a482$793d9570$6401a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru>

> Another reason why Mac switched?
I did read about multi-core Intel processors but I didn't know Interl
acquired Russian Elbrus team and technology to design them:
http://www.ournet.md/~hi-tech/elbrus_e2k.html
<<<
The new processor is expected to perform from three to five times faster
than Merced processor from Intel. E2K will require lower power, and its
manufacturing will appear considerably cheaper than that of Merced;
>>>

Before that Intel used one of the former Elbrus engineers...
<<<
Vladimir Pentkovski is a Principal Engineer in the Microprocessor Product
Group in Folsom. He was one of the architects in the core team, which
defined the Internet Streaming SIMD Extensions of IA-32 architecture.
Vladimir led the development of Pentium III processor architecture and
performance analysis. Previously he led the development of compilers and
software and hardware support for programming languages for Elbrus
multi-processor computers in Russia. Vladimir holds a Doctor of Science
degree and Ph.D. degree in computer science and engineering from Russia
>>>

...now, they got all of them. (That's a pity of course this country,
wonderland Russia, is selling out and loosing her best people :(
Just a few left when I look around. Sad story...)

BTW, IMO one of the reasons to closely look on what eXtreme Programmers
practiones say and do: Intel processors are getting multi-core.
Therefore  the trend is to write software, which can be executed on several
processors in parallel - these are exactly "low coupled, highly cohesive"
"intelligent" objects. MS will make it possible for sure in one of the next
versions of VS.NET to execute .NET Framework assemblies' object instances on
different processors on multi-core Intel systems: traffic light on
crossroads metaphor I mentioned already - traffic light object runs on one
processor, every car object coming to crossroad - run on another processor
or shared processors if there are a few of them - all of them independent
and all their independent behavior is simulated on parallel processors...
 - now you see the endless performance boost possibility here?
The quantity of cores on multi-core Intel systems will grow endlessly
 with time - and so the overall performance will grow....

Be ready and prepare your brain to this "mentality shift" in programming -
to stay competetive on the market...

And VS.NET is already using broadly declarative programming  with
attributes - to mark an object as an "independent entity" belonging to this
or that category (read running on independent core) is by just adding some
attributes to the object code. Even more - .NET Assemblies can be changed on
the fly using Reflection therefore such attributes can be "injected" on
run-time. Even more.... yes, what they are doing with C# 2.0 and what they
plan to do with C# 3.0 - all that becoming more and more "crazy" and
flexible - real SOFTware can be written using this current and coming
development tools...

Shamil

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 4:29 AM
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Why did Mac switch to Intel revisted


> OT:
>
> Another reason why Mac switched? http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=25496
>
> Jim
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From Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org  Fri Aug 19 07:22:39 2005
From: Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 08:22:39 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] copy string to clipboard
Message-ID: <08F823FD83787D4BA0B99CA580AD3C74016C3CDE@TTNEXCHCL2.hshhp.com>

I meant gaining access to the clipboard.  Obviously a method call is a method call.

Jim D.

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Heenan,
Lambert
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 10:54 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] copy string to clipboard


Which is simpler

ClipPutText MyString 

Or 

Clipboard.SetText "Jim D"

Answer: they are both real simple.  But In the first case all you need is
the code for the ClipPutText routine stashed away in a module, which you can
then treat as a black box, and in the second case you have to distribute a
DLL and ensure that it gets registered properly (assuming the user has
privileges to register DLLs). I know which way I would go! :-)

Lambert

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim DeMarco
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 9:56 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] copy string to clipboard


If you have VB and don't mind shipping a dll with your app it's much
simpler.

<snip>
Clipboard.SetText "Jim D"
Me.Text1.Text = Clipboard.GetText
</snip>

Jim DeMarco

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 2:25 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] copy string to clipboard


Hi Bruce:

I have some code that I have been using for years, mostly for debugging
purposes. It just copies a string up into the clip board and it doesn't look
as ugly as the code from Terry Kreft.

The following code resides in a miodule declaration area:

<code>
'Whole bunch of APIs which allow text to be copied to clipboard... Private
Declare Function OpenClipboard Lib "User32" (ByVal hWnd&) As Long Private
Declare Function EmptyClipboard Lib "User32" () As Long Private Declare
Function GetClipboardData Lib "User32" (ByVal wFormat&) As Long Private
Declare Function SetClipboardData Lib "User32" (ByVal wFormat&, _
        ByVal hMem&) As Long
Private Declare Function CloseClipboard Lib "User32" () As Long ' Private
Declare Function GlobalAlloc Lib "kernel32" (ByVal wFlags&, _
        ByVal dwBytes&) As Long
Private Declare Function GlobalLock Lib "kernel32" (ByVal hMem&) As Long
Private Declare Function GlobalUnlock Lib "kernel32" (ByVal hMem&) As Long '
Private Declare Function lstrcpy Lib "kernel32" (ByVal lpString1 As Any, _
        ByVal lpString2 As Any) As Long
</code>

And the remainder is place in a module's function area:

<code>
Public Sub ClipPutText(lsText As String)
    ' Stores text on the clipboard

    Dim hMem As Long
    Const GHND = &H42
    
    hMem = GlobalAlloc(GHND, Len(lsText) + 1)
    lstrcpy GlobalLock(hMem), lsText
    If GlobalUnlock(hMem) = 0 Then
        If OpenClipboard(0&) <> 0 Then
            EmptyClipboard
            SetClipboardData 1, hMem
            CloseClipboard
        End If
    End If
    
End Sub
</code>

And it can be called from anywhere; forms, reports or modules like so:

ClipPutText MyString  'Place the string 'MyString into the clipboard


HTH
Jim
 
-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bruen, Bruce
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 7:29 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] copy string to clipboard

This must! be simple.
 
I have a string variable created by concatenating the values of several form
fields.  So how can I copy the value of this string to the clipboard?
 
Private Sub Command35_Click()
    Dim refstr As String
    refstr = "RCRef=|" & Me.ucref & "|" & Me.testname & "|" & Me.TestID &
"|"
    Debug.Print refstr
    Stop
    ':-( Runcmd accmdStickTheStringInTheClipboard :-(
End Sub
 
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From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Fri Aug 19 08:23:10 2005
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 09:23:10 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] New Record Appearing on Top
References: <000001c5a269$2bb3b2f0$0300a8c0@danwaters>
Message-ID: <4305DD3E.2080103@torchlake.com>

Dan, that is great.  I often have my subform records sorted in 
descending order, but I never knew how I could make the new record 
appear to be at the top while it was being created.  Thank you.  I have 
a new tool.
Tina Norris Fields

Dan Waters wrote:

>Julie,
>
>Yes - and it's a nice feature.  
>
>The way to do this is to create fields directly above the subform container
>that mimic the fields in the continuous form.  These fields will be unbound.
>A user will fill in these fields and push a Save button when done.  The save
>button will cause the data in the unbound fields to be inserted into the
>table behind the subform.  If your subform is sorted in descending order by
>it's autonumber field, then the new record will display at the top of the
>subform.
>
>I use this method in an hours tracking database.  The Save button's click
>event code is shown below:
>
>Private Sub butSaveHours_Click()
>    
>    Dim stgSQL As String
>    
>    stgSQL = "INSERT INTO tblHours (ClientID, Category, SubCategory, Hours,
>ActivityDate, Description)" _
>        & " VALUES (" & txtClientID & ", '" & cboCategory & "', '" &
>cboSubCategory & "', " & txtHours & ", '" & txtActivityDate & "', '" &
>memDescription & "');"
>    DoCmd.SetWarnings False
>    DoCmd.RunSQL stgSQL
>    DoCmd.SetWarnings True
>    
>    cboCategory = Null
>    cboSubCategory = Null
>    txtHours = Null
>    txtActivityDate = Null
>    memDescription = Null
>
>    Me.Refresh
>    
>    cboCategory.SetFocus
>    butSaveHours.Enabled = False
>    
>End Sub
>
>Note that the ClientID field is the Primary Key for the main table and is
>also the Foreign Key for the related sub table.
>
>HTH,
>Dan Waters
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Julie
>Reardon-Taylor
>Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 8:35 AM
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: [AccessD] New Record Appearing on Top
>
>I have seen this question posted before and cannot remember the response.  A
>
>client has asked that the "new" record in a continuous form appear at the 
>top.  I know that Access doesn't work that way.....but is there a way to do 
>this?
>
>
>
>Julie Reardon-Taylor
>PRO-SOFT OF NY, INC.
>44 Public Square Suite #5
>Watertown, NY 13601
>Phone/Fax: (315) 785-0319
>www.pro-soft.net
>
>
>  
>




From dwaters at usinternet.com  Fri Aug 19 08:47:45 2005
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 08:47:45 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] New Record Appearing on Top
In-Reply-To: <10616264.1124457249642.JavaMail.root@sniper21>
Message-ID: <000601c5a4c4$95b41700$0300a8c0@danwaters>

Tina - you are most welcome.  

Dan Waters

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris
Fields
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 8:23 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New Record Appearing on Top

Dan, that is great.  I often have my subform records sorted in 
descending order, but I never knew how I could make the new record 
appear to be at the top while it was being created.  Thank you.  I have 
a new tool.
Tina Norris Fields

Dan Waters wrote:

>Julie,
>
>Yes - and it's a nice feature.  
>
>The way to do this is to create fields directly above the subform container
>that mimic the fields in the continuous form.  These fields will be
unbound.
>A user will fill in these fields and push a Save button when done.  The
save
>button will cause the data in the unbound fields to be inserted into the
>table behind the subform.  If your subform is sorted in descending order by
>it's autonumber field, then the new record will display at the top of the
>subform.
>
>I use this method in an hours tracking database.  The Save button's click
>event code is shown below:
>
>Private Sub butSaveHours_Click()
>    
>    Dim stgSQL As String
>    
>    stgSQL = "INSERT INTO tblHours (ClientID, Category, SubCategory, Hours,
>ActivityDate, Description)" _
>        & " VALUES (" & txtClientID & ", '" & cboCategory & "', '" &
>cboSubCategory & "', " & txtHours & ", '" & txtActivityDate & "', '" &
>memDescription & "');"
>    DoCmd.SetWarnings False
>    DoCmd.RunSQL stgSQL
>    DoCmd.SetWarnings True
>    
>    cboCategory = Null
>    cboSubCategory = Null
>    txtHours = Null
>    txtActivityDate = Null
>    memDescription = Null
>
>    Me.Refresh
>    
>    cboCategory.SetFocus
>    butSaveHours.Enabled = False
>    
>End Sub
>
>Note that the ClientID field is the Primary Key for the main table and is
>also the Foreign Key for the related sub table.
>
>HTH,
>Dan Waters
>
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>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Julie
>Reardon-Taylor
>Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 8:35 AM
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: [AccessD] New Record Appearing on Top
>
>I have seen this question posted before and cannot remember the response.
A
>
>client has asked that the "new" record in a continuous form appear at the 
>top.  I know that Access doesn't work that way.....but is there a way to do

>this?
>
>
>
>Julie Reardon-Taylor
>PRO-SOFT OF NY, INC.
>44 Public Square Suite #5
>Watertown, NY 13601
>Phone/Fax: (315) 785-0319
>www.pro-soft.net
>
>
>  
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From darsant at gmail.com  Fri Aug 19 10:25:38 2005
From: darsant at gmail.com (Josh McFarlane)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 10:25:38 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Why did Mac switch to Intel revisted
In-Reply-To: <004701c5a482$793d9570$6401a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru>
References: <0ILG00CAK1DE5C@l-daemon>
	<004701c5a482$793d9570$6401a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru>
Message-ID: <53c8e05a05081908257c783205@mail.gmail.com>

On 8/19/05, Shamil Salakhetdinov <shamil at users.mns.ru> wrote:
> And VS.NET is already using broadly declarative programming  with
> attributes - to mark an object as an "independent entity" belonging to this
> or that category (read running on independent core) is by just adding some
> attributes to the object code. Even more - .NET Assemblies can be changed on
> the fly using Reflection therefore such attributes can be "injected" on
> run-time. Even more.... yes, what they are doing with C# 2.0 and what they
> plan to do with C# 3.0 - all that becoming more and more "crazy" and
> flexible - real SOFTware can be written using this current and coming
> development tools...
> 
> Shamil

The question you have to ask yourself is if the added reflection will
bring more problems than it fixes. Modifying already-running code has
never been one of Microsoft's strong points. The Edit and Continue
compiler of VS 2005 is horribly horribly buggy, but not much can be
done to fix it, as it doesn't crash at defined points, it just
randomly crashes everything, including the compiler and the program
that is running.

Due to reflection and JIT compiling, .NET Assemblies are still very
reverse engineerable also, and tend to make it appear like a
Java-similar language. What I'd like to see Microsoft work more
towards is the actual refinement of their other libraries, which they
seem to have left in the dust in .NET. MFC and ATL still have huge
defficiencies in some of their classes (CSocket / CSocketFile /
CArchive comes to mind as a huge one that has never worked as
intented).

Prioritizing threads to logical processors, and even restricting them,
is nothing particularly new. The commands were added when
HyperThreading first hit language support, and it's actually quite
easy to do both hardcoded and real-time.

Good software design policies can always help make your software more
flexible and "crazy".High-level languages can make this apparent by
restricting the design policies you have control over, and making you
more dependant on the language rather than your own design ideas.

Josh McFarlane


From Susan.Klos at fldoe.org  Fri Aug 19 10:26:32 2005
From: Susan.Klos at fldoe.org (Klos, Susan)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 11:26:32 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] "Find" combo box searches more than one table
Message-ID: <D78B10E8D3277D42B76BD76569E5241701246E24@MAIL2.FLDOE.INT>

Yes, Kath, I think that is what I am looking for.  Can you send me a
copy of the code?

 

Susan Klos

Senior Database Analyst

Evaluation and Reporting

Florida Department of Education

850-245-0708 

sc 205-0708

 

Maybe Susan means that the users would like to have a 'search function'
which will find something anywhere in the database.
 
I have had that request before, eg. for a database that tracked travel
agent wholesalers, travel agent retailers, suppliers, clients etc. Users
would get an inquiry from someone and wanted to type in their name and
find all instances anywhere in the system.
 
It depends whether you need to populate a combo or not. In my case I
created an unbound text box and users type in any part of the person's
surname and hit enter.
 
The code then searches through the relevant tables one by one and
populates a results table.
 

Kath

 



From cyx5 at cdc.gov  Fri Aug 19 10:35:54 2005
From: cyx5 at cdc.gov (Nicholson, Karen)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 11:35:54 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] "Find" combo box searches more than one table
Message-ID: <A5B5AA20555F594BA7B6BD2048E49E4376FE5E@m-niosh-5.niosh.cdc.gov>

Oooh.... I want to see it too!  I have over 1235 tables that I am
putting into one table but this code would be great in the meantime. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Klos, Susan
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 11:27 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] "Find" combo box searches more than one table

Yes, Kath, I think that is what I am looking for.  Can you send me a
copy of the code?

 

Susan Klos

Senior Database Analyst

Evaluation and Reporting

Florida Department of Education

850-245-0708 

sc 205-0708

 

Maybe Susan means that the users would like to have a 'search function'
which will find something anywhere in the database.
 
I have had that request before, eg. for a database that tracked travel
agent wholesalers, travel agent retailers, suppliers, clients etc. Users
would get an inquiry from someone and wanted to type in their name and
find all instances anywhere in the system.
 
It depends whether you need to populate a combo or not. In my case I
created an unbound text box and users type in any part of the person's
surname and hit enter.
 
The code then searches through the relevant tables one by one and
populates a results table.
 

Kath

 

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri Aug 19 10:47:45 2005
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 08:47:45 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] "Find" combo box searches more than one table
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86873BD8@infoserver01.infostat.local>

I never understood what the user expected to "find" in such a search
function.  Did they want to know every table the value appeared in, did
they want to magically "see" each record in some form?  Are they
expected a treeview showing all the hits in each record in each table?
It isn't hard to find a value by walking the tables, but what did you
want to do with the results?

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Klos, Susan [mailto:Susan.Klos at fldoe.org] 
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 8:27 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] "Find" combo box searches more than one table


Yes, Kath, I think that is what I am looking for.  Can you send me a
copy of the code?

 

Susan Klos

Senior Database Analyst

Evaluation and Reporting

Florida Department of Education

850-245-0708 

sc 205-0708

 

Maybe Susan means that the users would like to have a 'search function'
which will find something anywhere in the database.
 
I have had that request before, eg. for a database that tracked travel
agent wholesalers, travel agent retailers, suppliers, clients etc. Users
would get an inquiry from someone and wanted to type in their name and
find all instances anywhere in the system.
 
It depends whether you need to populate a combo or not. In my case I
created an unbound text box and users type in any part of the person's
surname and hit enter.
 
The code then searches through the relevant tables one by one and
populates a results table.
 

Kath

 

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From shamil at users.mns.ru  Fri Aug 19 11:09:33 2005
From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 20:09:33 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Why did Mac switch to Intel revisted
References: <0ILG00CAK1DE5C@l-daemon><004701c5a482$793d9570$6401a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru>
	<53c8e05a05081908257c783205@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000f01c5a4d8$69f78ed0$6401a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru>

Josh,

Do you mean VS.NET 2005 Beta 2 when you talk about Edit & Continue feature?
You guess they will never be able to make it stable? (they managed to do
that with VB6 and even in MS Access 2003 (although both VB6 and MS Access
2003 still may crash unexpectedly in complicated cases) - they will probably
make it working stable somewhere in not that far future? No any hopes you
think?

By using reflection I mean injecting specific attributes BEFORE Just-in-time
compilation, just as one of thr possible ways to do that, in fact it will
not be needed probably because attributes will be inline with the source
code...

Did you try any of obfuscators or other methods to protect compiled code
from reverse engineering? - I did - and I found they are good enough even
the cheap ones, and expensive ones are very good.

I have heard they made good progress with ATL in VS.NET 2005. But I can't
judge here because I do use ATL a few.

I didn't know that much about prioritizing threads to logical processors and
HyperThreading.
Yes, I may also say that what MS and Intel are doing now - a lot of that is
deja' vue - they got acuiqred a lot of that from the companies they bought
etc. but they are compiling all that stuff now and adding their own very
well IMO and they are developing very promising new technologies on top of
that "deja' vue" knowledge and experience. (and no, I was never "crazy"
about technologies...)

"Good software design policies" if I got that correctly is a very broad term
Do you mean they can restrict also the quantity of attributes and methods of
a class? If yes - could you please post an example of such software design
ploicy here or give a reference to it, which also shows that it worked in a
real life project?

Shamil

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From: "Josh McFarlane" <darsant at gmail.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 7:25 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Why did Mac switch to Intel revisted


> On 8/19/05, Shamil Salakhetdinov <shamil at users.mns.ru> wrote:
> > And VS.NET is already using broadly declarative programming  with
> > attributes - to mark an object as an "independent entity" belonging to
this
> > or that category (read running on independent core) is by just adding
some
> > attributes to the object code. Even more - .NET Assemblies can be
changed on
> > the fly using Reflection therefore such attributes can be "injected" on
> > run-time. Even more.... yes, what they are doing with C# 2.0 and what
they
> > plan to do with C# 3.0 - all that becoming more and more "crazy" and
> > flexible - real SOFTware can be written using this current and coming
> > development tools...
> >
> > Shamil
>
> The question you have to ask yourself is if the added reflection will
> bring more problems than it fixes. Modifying already-running code has
> never been one of Microsoft's strong points. The Edit and Continue
> compiler of VS 2005 is horribly horribly buggy, but not much can be
> done to fix it, as it doesn't crash at defined points, it just
> randomly crashes everything, including the compiler and the program
> that is running.
>
> Due to reflection and JIT compiling, .NET Assemblies are still very
> reverse engineerable also, and tend to make it appear like a
> Java-similar language. What I'd like to see Microsoft work more
> towards is the actual refinement of their other libraries, which they
> seem to have left in the dust in .NET. MFC and ATL still have huge
> defficiencies in some of their classes (CSocket / CSocketFile /
> CArchive comes to mind as a huge one that has never worked as
> intented).
>
> Prioritizing threads to logical processors, and even restricting them,
> is nothing particularly new. The commands were added when
> HyperThreading first hit language support, and it's actually quite
> easy to do both hardcoded and real-time.
>
> Good software design policies can always help make your software more
> flexible and "crazy".High-level languages can make this apparent by
> restricting the design policies you have control over, and making you
> more dependant on the language rather than your own design ideas.
>
> Josh McFarlane
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From Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com  Fri Aug 19 11:15:42 2005
From: Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com (Hale, Jim)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 11:15:42 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] AS400 data upload (Lost in Translation)
Message-ID: <6A6AA9DF57E4F046BDA1E273BDDB677233779F@corp-es01.fleetpride.com>

I imported tables into Access from the AS400 using IBM's client Access ODBC
driver. I updated the tables in Access, emptied the tables on the AS400 and
uploaded the Updated Access data to the AS400 via an append query (the AS400
tables were linked via the ODBC driver). This worked fine except for one
table. The table came from the AS400 with blank fields. When I tried to
upload it back the AS400 puked saying I was trying to place nulls in the
field. The AS400 guys tell me the AS400 does not have nulls, that the field
is really  a blank (hex 40?). How can I change my query so that the AS400
will accept it? Use an empty string? Use the ASC equivalent of hex 40? TIA

Jim Hale

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From Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org  Fri Aug 19 11:43:20 2005
From: Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 12:43:20 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT : Friday Freebie
Message-ID: <08F823FD83787D4BA0B99CA580AD3C74016C3CE9@TTNEXCHCL2.hshhp.com>

Hello All,

I'm in the process of revamping my web site but I posted a couple of new downloads one of which is very temporary (but I'll make available to this list for the rest of today).

1. A new drum solo by son Jimmy
2. The first completed track from my upcoming solo EP - this will be replaced by a short clip of the tune this evening so if you want it get it now

Both are recorded at my home studio and I welcome comments from any recording enthusiasts (music fans are welcome to comment as well).  Jimmy has been kind enough to record these solos to help me get my recording chops together.  Everytime I get new gear he records another track for me!!

The site you'll see is temporary so please NO comments on that!!!

Enjoy,

Jim (preparing to ride my motorcycle home in the rain) DeMarco


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From marcus at tsstech.com  Fri Aug 19 12:10:49 2005
From: marcus at tsstech.com (Scott Marcus)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 13:10:49 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT : Friday Freebie
Message-ID: <B7B1803D6973C84F97D412AFCDA8EA7D02B37C77@2003exchg.TSS.AD>

And your website URL would be...

Scott Marcus
IT Programmer
TSS Technologies Inc.
www.tss.com


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Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 12:43 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] OT : Friday Freebie

Hello All,

I'm in the process of revamping my web site but I posted a couple of new
downloads one of which is very temporary (but I'll make available to
this list for the rest of today).

1. A new drum solo by son Jimmy
2. The first completed track from my upcoming solo EP - this will be
replaced by a short clip of the tune this evening so if you want it get
it now

Both are recorded at my home studio and I welcome comments from any
recording enthusiasts (music fans are welcome to comment as well).
Jimmy has been kind enough to record these solos to help me get my
recording chops together.  Everytime I get new gear he records another
track for me!!

The site you'll see is temporary so please NO comments on that!!!

Enjoy,

Jim (preparing to ride my motorcycle home in the rain) DeMarco


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From cyx5 at cdc.gov  Fri Aug 19 12:13:10 2005
From: cyx5 at cdc.gov (Nicholson, Karen)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 13:13:10 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] "Find" combo box searches more than one table
Message-ID: <A5B5AA20555F594BA7B6BD2048E49E4376FE61@m-niosh-5.niosh.cdc.gov>

In my case, I have part numbers that are stored in over 1000 different
tables.  Management wants to find a part number.  It is not (yet) in a
central location, but I am working on it.  To find a part number, the
person would have to know the manufacturer before they can find the part
number.  Management does not know that. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 11:48 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] "Find" combo box searches more than one table

I never understood what the user expected to "find" in such a search
function.  Did they want to know every table the value appeared in, did
they want to magically "see" each record in some form?  Are they
expected a treeview showing all the hits in each record in each table?
It isn't hard to find a value by walking the tables, but what did you
want to do with the results?

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Klos, Susan [mailto:Susan.Klos at fldoe.org]
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 8:27 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] "Find" combo box searches more than one table


Yes, Kath, I think that is what I am looking for.  Can you send me a
copy of the code?

 

Susan Klos

Senior Database Analyst

Evaluation and Reporting

Florida Department of Education

850-245-0708 

sc 205-0708

 

Maybe Susan means that the users would like to have a 'search function'
which will find something anywhere in the database.
 
I have had that request before, eg. for a database that tracked travel
agent wholesalers, travel agent retailers, suppliers, clients etc. Users
would get an inquiry from someone and wanted to type in their name and
find all instances anywhere in the system.
 
It depends whether you need to populate a combo or not. In my case I
created an unbound text box and users type in any part of the person's
surname and hit enter.
 
The code then searches through the relevant tables one by one and
populates a results table.
 

Kath

 

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From Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org  Fri Aug 19 12:14:49 2005
From: Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 13:14:49 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT : Friday Freebie
Message-ID: <08F823FD83787D4BA0B99CA580AD3C74016C3CEC@TTNEXCHCL2.hshhp.com>

Details, details... http://www.rocktillyadrop.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Scott Marcus
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 1:11 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT : Friday Freebie


And your website URL would be...

Scott Marcus
IT Programmer
TSS Technologies Inc.
www.tss.com


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim DeMarco
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 12:43 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] OT : Friday Freebie

Hello All,

I'm in the process of revamping my web site but I posted a couple of new
downloads one of which is very temporary (but I'll make available to
this list for the rest of today).

1. A new drum solo by son Jimmy
2. The first completed track from my upcoming solo EP - this will be
replaced by a short clip of the tune this evening so if you want it get
it now

Both are recorded at my home studio and I welcome comments from any
recording enthusiasts (music fans are welcome to comment as well).
Jimmy has been kind enough to record these solos to help me get my
recording chops together.  Everytime I get new gear he records another
track for me!!

The site you'll see is temporary so please NO comments on that!!!

Enjoy,

Jim (preparing to ride my motorcycle home in the rain) DeMarco


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From Susan.Klos at fldoe.org  Fri Aug 19 12:24:15 2005
From: Susan.Klos at fldoe.org (Klos, Susan)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 13:24:15 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] (no subject)
Message-ID: <D78B10E8D3277D42B76BD76569E5241701246E49@MAIL2.FLDOE.INT>

Once I have found the record in the table I want to open a form that
shows me that record.  Let me go back to my original problem.  I have
several tables of contacts.  I have a form with a tabbed subform.  Once
I have used my find form to search my various contacts tables and found
the contact, I want the first tab to show me all the data about the
contact, then I want the second tab to show me the data from the phone
conversations I have had with that contact.  These are linked through a
linking table by contactID.  If the person I am trying to find is not in
one of those contact tables, then I want the form to open up blank so I
can type in the information which would be loaded into a different
'people' table.  If anyone can help me on this, I would be very
grateful.  Thank.s

 

Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 08:47:45 -0700

From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>

Subject: RE: [AccessD] "Find" combo box searches more than one table

To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"

      <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>

Message-ID:

 
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Content-Type: text/plain;     charset="us-ascii"

 

I never understood what the user expected to "find" in such a search
function.  Did they want to know every table the value appeared in, did
they want to magically "see" each record in some form?  Are they
expected a treeview showing all the hits in each record in each table?
It isn't hard to find a value by walking the tables, but what did you
want to do with the results?

 

Charlotte Foust

 

 

Susan Klos

Senior Database Analyst

Evaluation and Reporting

Florida Department of Education

850-245-0708 

sc 205-0708

 



From garykjos at gmail.com  Fri Aug 19 13:01:53 2005
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 13:01:53 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] AS400 data upload (Lost in Translation)
In-Reply-To: <6A6AA9DF57E4F046BDA1E273BDDB677233779F@corp-es01.fleetpride.com>
References: <6A6AA9DF57E4F046BDA1E273BDDB677233779F@corp-es01.fleetpride.com>
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Hi Jim,

I think not an empty string but a single space character surrounded by
the appropriate quotation marks is what I would use.  Hex 40 is EBCDIC
for a space. ASCII space is hex 20.  Evidently the space it originally
contained got stripped as part of a "trim" trailing spaces that the
file transfer did for you - which you would have preferred in this
case that it hadn't done.

Give it a space and you should be good to go.

Gary

On 8/19/05, Hale, Jim <Jim.Hale at fleetpride.com> wrote:
> I imported tables into Access from the AS400 using IBM's client Access ODBC
> driver. I updated the tables in Access, emptied the tables on the AS400 and
> uploaded the Updated Access data to the AS400 via an append query (the AS400
> tables were linked via the ODBC driver). This worked fine except for one
> table. The table came from the AS400 with blank fields. When I tried to
> upload it back the AS400 puked saying I was trying to place nulls in the
> field. The AS400 guys tell me the AS400 does not have nulls, that the field
> is really  a blank (hex 40?). How can I change my query so that the AS400
> will accept it? Use an empty string? Use the ASC equivalent of hex 40? TIA
> 
> Jim Hale
> 
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From Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com  Fri Aug 19 13:13:14 2005
From: Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com (Hale, Jim)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 13:13:14 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] (no subject)
Message-ID: <6A6AA9DF57E4F046BDA1E273BDDB67723377A0@corp-es01.fleetpride.com>

If the contact tables have the same structure why not create a union query
and in the criteria put the key of the record you are looking for so the
result set would have the record(s) you want.
Jim Hale
-----Original Message-----
From: Klos, Susan [mailto:Susan.Klos at fldoe.org]
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 12:24 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] (no subject)


Once I have found the record in the table I want to open a form that
shows me that record.  Let me go back to my original problem.  I have
several tables of contacts.  I have a form with a tabbed subform.  Once
I have used my find form to search my various contacts tables and found
the contact, I want the first tab to show me all the data about the
contact, then I want the second tab to show me the data from the phone
conversations I have had with that contact.  These are linked through a
linking table by contactID.  If the person I am trying to find is not in
one of those contact tables, then I want the form to open up blank so I
can type in the information which would be loaded into a different
'people' table.  If anyone can help me on this, I would be very
grateful.  Thank.s

 

Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 08:47:45 -0700

From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>

Subject: RE: [AccessD] "Find" combo box searches more than one table

To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"

      <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>

Message-ID:

 
<E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86873BD8 at infoserver01.infostat.local>

Content-Type: text/plain;     charset="us-ascii"

 

I never understood what the user expected to "find" in such a search
function.  Did they want to know every table the value appeared in, did
they want to magically "see" each record in some form?  Are they
expected a treeview showing all the hits in each record in each table?
It isn't hard to find a value by walking the tables, but what did you
want to do with the results?

 

Charlotte Foust

 

 

Susan Klos

Senior Database Analyst

Evaluation and Reporting

Florida Department of Education

850-245-0708 

sc 205-0708

 

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From Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com  Fri Aug 19 13:14:29 2005
From: Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com (Hale, Jim)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 13:14:29 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] AS400 data upload (Lost in Translation)
Message-ID: <6A6AA9DF57E4F046BDA1E273BDDB67723377A1@corp-es01.fleetpride.com>

Thanks!
Jim Hale

-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Kjos [mailto:garykjos at gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 1:02 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] AS400 data upload (Lost in Translation)


Hi Jim,

I think not an empty string but a single space character surrounded by
the appropriate quotation marks is what I would use.  Hex 40 is EBCDIC
for a space. ASCII space is hex 20.  Evidently the space it originally
contained got stripped as part of a "trim" trailing spaces that the
file transfer did for you - which you would have preferred in this
case that it hadn't done.

Give it a space and you should be good to go.

Gary

On 8/19/05, Hale, Jim <Jim.Hale at fleetpride.com> wrote:
> I imported tables into Access from the AS400 using IBM's client Access
ODBC
> driver. I updated the tables in Access, emptied the tables on the AS400
and
> uploaded the Updated Access data to the AS400 via an append query (the
AS400
> tables were linked via the ODBC driver). This worked fine except for one
> table. The table came from the AS400 with blank fields. When I tried to
> upload it back the AS400 puked saying I was trying to place nulls in the
> field. The AS400 guys tell me the AS400 does not have nulls, that the
field
> is really  a blank (hex 40?). How can I change my query so that the AS400
> will accept it? Use an empty string? Use the ASC equivalent of hex 40? TIA
> 
> Jim Hale
> 
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> entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or
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From darsant at gmail.com  Fri Aug 19 13:40:34 2005
From: darsant at gmail.com (Josh McFarlane)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 13:40:34 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Why did Mac switch to Intel revisted
In-Reply-To: <000f01c5a4d8$69f78ed0$6401a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru>
References: <0ILG00CAK1DE5C@l-daemon>
	<004701c5a482$793d9570$6401a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru>
	<53c8e05a05081908257c783205@mail.gmail.com>
	<000f01c5a4d8$69f78ed0$6401a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru>
Message-ID: <53c8e05a0508191140494fb148@mail.gmail.com>

On 8/19/05, Shamil Salakhetdinov <shamil at users.mns.ru> wrote:
> Josh,
> 
> Do you mean VS.NET 2005 Beta 2 when you talk about Edit & Continue feature?
> You guess they will never be able to make it stable? (they managed to do
> that with VB6 and even in MS Access 2003 (although both VB6 and MS Access
> 2003 still may crash unexpectedly in complicated cases) - they will probably
> make it working stable somewhere in not that far future? No any hopes you
> think?

Well, I'm using it mainly in reference to VC++, and having tried it on
VS.NET 2002, 2003, and now 2005, they all have inherient crash issues
even when doing simple things (for example, the crash I described can
even happen when you just begin to type on a line while the program is
at a breakpoint.
 
> By using reflection I mean injecting specific attributes BEFORE Just-in-time
> compilation, just as one of thr possible ways to do that, in fact it will
> not be needed probably because attributes will be inline with the source
> code...

Ah, I misunderstood you there.

> Did you try any of obfuscators or other methods to protect compiled code
> from reverse engineering? - I did - and I found they are good enough even
> the cheap ones, and expensive ones are very good.

I've tried a few different ones, and while some parts of the code
would be obfuscatied, core components such as algorithms were still
semi-reproducable in some test cases. Granted, this was a little bit
ago and they may have made improvements to the obfuscators now.

> I have heard they made good progress with ATL in VS.NET 2005. But I can't
> judge here because I do use ATL a few.
> I didn't know that much about prioritizing threads to logical processors and
> HyperThreading.

Basically the way the multicore processors work at this moment (at
least to the current library of MS code) is that they are just treated
as hyper-threading processors. If you search the MSDN docs you should
be able to find easy ways to build this implementation in.


> "Good software design policies" if I got that correctly is a very broad term
> Do you mean they can restrict also the quantity of attributes and methods of
> a class? If yes - could you please post an example of such software design
> ploicy here or give a reference to it, which also shows that it worked in a
> real life project?

Well, the classic example I like to use is the garbage collector.
Normally in C++ you handle allocation / deallocation of objects on the
heap yourself. In managed C++ with .NET you can use the garbage
collector so you don't have to worry about memory leaks from heap
allocated objects, restricting you from a common easy error, but at
the cost of speed and efficiency.

I wasn't trying to promote the .NET as a restrictive language. I was
trying to state that MS and others can make framework seem more
flexible and easier to maintain, but that the same effect can also be
achieved by good coding practices and software design policy.

In the example of the garbage collector: It is unnecessary to use the
collector if you manage your resources of your classes and code
properly so that you do not leak any resources.

Microsoft seems to be taking the approach towards creating an
easier-to-use interface (.NET) and it seems that the more default
customizable interfaces are being left in the dust because of it.

-- 
Josh McFarlane
"Peace cannot be kept by force. It can only be achieved by understanding."
-Albert Einstein


From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri Aug 19 13:46:05 2005
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 11:46:05 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] (no subject)
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86873BDA@infoserver01.infostat.local>

So do you have forms that match all the various table data structures to
use in displaying that record?  Or do you have multiple tables that are
all the same structure with merely different data in them (NAUGHTY!!)?
Actually even if you have different data structures, you should have a
single "people" table that contains the part of the data structure that
will be consistent for all different types of people in your database.
If you have special data to capture about a particular kind of "people"
that can be captured in a separate table.  That would simplifiy your
life a lot when it came to finding someone, since regardless of their
category, the basic information would all be in one table.

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Klos, Susan [mailto:Susan.Klos at fldoe.org] 
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 10:24 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] (no subject)


Once I have found the record in the table I want to open a form that
shows me that record.  Let me go back to my original problem.  I have
several tables of contacts.  I have a form with a tabbed subform.  Once
I have used my find form to search my various contacts tables and found
the contact, I want the first tab to show me all the data about the
contact, then I want the second tab to show me the data from the phone
conversations I have had with that contact.  These are linked through a
linking table by contactID.  If the person I am trying to find is not in
one of those contact tables, then I want the form to open up blank so I
can type in the information which would be loaded into a different
'people' table.  If anyone can help me on this, I would be very
grateful.  Thank.s

 

Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 08:47:45 -0700

From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>

Subject: RE: [AccessD] "Find" combo box searches more than one table

To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"

      <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>

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I never understood what the user expected to "find" in such a search
function.  Did they want to know every table the value appeared in, did
they want to magically "see" each record in some form?  Are they
expected a treeview showing all the hits in each record in each table?
It isn't hard to find a value by walking the tables, but what did you
want to do with the results?

 

Charlotte Foust

 

 

Susan Klos

Senior Database Analyst

Evaluation and Reporting

Florida Department of Education

850-245-0708 

sc 205-0708

 

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From BarbaraRyan at cox.net  Fri Aug 19 13:51:50 2005
From: BarbaraRyan at cox.net (Barbara Ryan)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 14:51:50 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Close All Forms
Message-ID: <00cb01c5a4ef$0f3fb6e0$0a00a8c0@cx470148a>

I have used the following code successfully in Access 97 to close all forms when a specific function key is pressed.  However, in Access 2002, this code causes the error box to appear (with the 2 options to send an error report to Microsoft or not) and then closes Access.  Does anyone know why?

    Function CloseAllForms()
        Dim i As Integer
        ' Loop through the collection of open forms and close them (except for the main menu)
        If Forms.Count > 0 Then
            For i = Forms.Count - 1 To 0 Step -1
                If Forms(i).Name <> "frmMainMenu" Then
                    DoCmd.Close acForm, Forms(i).Name
                End If
            Next i
        End If
    End Function

Thanks,
Barb Ryan



From darsant at gmail.com  Fri Aug 19 13:50:54 2005
From: darsant at gmail.com (Josh McFarlane)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 13:50:54 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Close All Forms
In-Reply-To: <00cb01c5a4ef$0f3fb6e0$0a00a8c0@cx470148a>
References: <00cb01c5a4ef$0f3fb6e0$0a00a8c0@cx470148a>
Message-ID: <53c8e05a0508191150df2f4af@mail.gmail.com>

On 8/19/05, Barbara Ryan <BarbaraRyan at cox.net> wrote:
> I have used the following code successfully in Access 97 to close all forms when a specific function key is pressed.  However, in Access 2002, this code causes the error box to appear (with the 2 options to send an error report to Microsoft or not) and then closes Access.  Does anyone know why?
> 
>     Function CloseAllForms()
>         Dim i As Integer
>         ' Loop through the collection of open forms and close them (except for the main menu)
>         If Forms.Count > 0 Then
>             For i = Forms.Count - 1 To 0 Step -1
>                 If Forms(i).Name <> "frmMainMenu" Then
>                     DoCmd.Close acForm, Forms(i).Name
>                 End If
>             Next i
>         End If
>     End Function

Can you trace the specific line that it dies on? (IE Set a breakpoint
on DoCmd and see if it ever fires for each form.)

-- 
Josh McFarlane

"Peace cannot be kept by force. It can only be achieved by understanding."
-Albert Einstein


From BarbaraRyan at cox.net  Fri Aug 19 14:11:13 2005
From: BarbaraRyan at cox.net (Barbara Ryan)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 15:11:13 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Close All Forms
References: <00cb01c5a4ef$0f3fb6e0$0a00a8c0@cx470148a>
	<53c8e05a0508191150df2f4af@mail.gmail.com>
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It dies after the "End Function" line is executed.


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From: "Josh McFarlane" <darsant at gmail.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 2:50 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Close All Forms


> On 8/19/05, Barbara Ryan <BarbaraRyan at cox.net> wrote:
> > I have used the following code successfully in Access 97 to close all
forms when a specific function key is pressed.  However, in Access 2002,
this code causes the error box to appear (with the 2 options to send an
error report to Microsoft or not) and then closes Access.  Does anyone know
why?
> >
> >     Function CloseAllForms()
> >         Dim i As Integer
> >         ' Loop through the collection of open forms and close them
(except for the main menu)
> >         If Forms.Count > 0 Then
> >             For i = Forms.Count - 1 To 0 Step -1
> >                 If Forms(i).Name <> "frmMainMenu" Then
> >                     DoCmd.Close acForm, Forms(i).Name
> >                 End If
> >             Next i
> >         End If
> >     End Function
>
> Can you trace the specific line that it dies on? (IE Set a breakpoint
> on DoCmd and see if it ever fires for each form.)
>
> -- 
> Josh McFarlane
>
> "Peace cannot be kept by force. It can only be achieved by understanding."
> -Albert Einstein
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From bheid at appdevgrp.com  Fri Aug 19 14:14:34 2005
From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 15:14:34 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Close All Forms
In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30C5E9C5@ADGSERVER>
Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30ABEE82@ADGSERVER>

Is it possible it is closing one of the standard access windows?

Bobby

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Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 3:11 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Close All Forms


It dies after the "End Function" line is executed.




From BarbaraRyan at cox.net  Fri Aug 19 14:35:34 2005
From: BarbaraRyan at cox.net (Barbara Ryan)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 15:35:34 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Close All Forms
References: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30ABEE82@ADGSERVER>
Message-ID: <011101c5a4f5$2aec5000$0a00a8c0@cx470148a>

I don't know..... is there something new in Access 2002 that would allow
this?

Barb

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Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 3:14 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Close All Forms


> Is it possible it is closing one of the standard access windows?
>
> Bobby
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Barbara Ryan
> Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 3:11 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Close All Forms
>
>
> It dies after the "End Function" line is executed.
>
>
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From Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com  Fri Aug 19 14:35:53 2005
From: Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com (Hale, Jim)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 14:35:53 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Close All Forms
Message-ID: <6A6AA9DF57E4F046BDA1E273BDDB67723377A3@corp-es01.fleetpride.com>

Aren't you iterating through the entire forms collection? So even if a form
is closed you are attempting to close it?
How about
Function CloseAllForms()
     Dim i As Integer, strFrmName as string
       ' Loop through the collection of open forms and close them (except
for the main menu)
         If Forms.Count > 0 Then
            For i = Forms.Count - 1 To 0 Step -1
		strFrmName=Forms(i).Name
                If  strFrmName <> "frmMainMenu" Then
			If IsFormOpen(strFrmName)= true then  DoCmd.Close
acForm, strFrmName
                End If
             Next i
         End If
     End Function

Public Function IsFormOpen(strFormName As String) As Boolean
   On Error GoTo PROC_ERR

  IsFormOpen = (SysCmd(acSysCmdGetObjectState, acForm, strFormName) <> 0)

PROC_EXIT:
  Exit Function

PROC_ERR:
  MsgBox "Error: " & Err.Number & ". " & Err.Description, , _
    "IsFormOpen"
  Resume PROC_EXIT

End Function

Jim Hale

-----Original Message-----
From: Barbara Ryan [mailto:BarbaraRyan at cox.net]
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 2:11 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Close All Forms


It dies after the "End Function" line is executed.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Josh McFarlane" <darsant at gmail.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 2:50 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Close All Forms


> On 8/19/05, Barbara Ryan <BarbaraRyan at cox.net> wrote:
> > I have used the following code successfully in Access 97 to close all
forms when a specific function key is pressed.  However, in Access 2002,
this code causes the error box to appear (with the 2 options to send an
error report to Microsoft or not) and then closes Access.  Does anyone know
why?
> >
> >     Function CloseAllForms()
> >         Dim i As Integer
> >         ' Loop through the collection of open forms and close them
(except for the main menu)
> >         If Forms.Count > 0 Then
> >             For i = Forms.Count - 1 To 0 Step -1
> >                 If Forms(i).Name <> "frmMainMenu" Then
> >                     DoCmd.Close acForm, Forms(i).Name
> >                 End If
> >             Next i
> >         End If
> >     End Function
>
> Can you trace the specific line that it dies on? (IE Set a breakpoint
> on DoCmd and see if it ever fires for each form.)
>
> -- 
> Josh McFarlane
>
> "Peace cannot be kept by force. It can only be achieved by understanding."
> -Albert Einstein
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From BarbaraRyan at cox.net  Fri Aug 19 15:09:45 2005
From: BarbaraRyan at cox.net (Barbara Ryan)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 16:09:45 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Close All Forms
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Forms.Count is equal to the number of open forms, so if 3 forms are open,
the For loop executes 3 times..

Barb


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To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
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Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 3:35 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Close All Forms


> Aren't you iterating through the entire forms collection? So even if a
form
> is closed you are attempting to close it?
> How about
> Function CloseAllForms()
>      Dim i As Integer, strFrmName as string
>        ' Loop through the collection of open forms and close them (except
> for the main menu)
>          If Forms.Count > 0 Then
>             For i = Forms.Count - 1 To 0 Step -1
> strFrmName=Forms(i).Name
>                 If  strFrmName <> "frmMainMenu" Then
> If IsFormOpen(strFrmName)= true then  DoCmd.Close
> acForm, strFrmName
>                 End If
>              Next i
>          End If
>      End Function
>
> Public Function IsFormOpen(strFormName As String) As Boolean
>    On Error GoTo PROC_ERR
>
>   IsFormOpen = (SysCmd(acSysCmdGetObjectState, acForm, strFormName) <> 0)
>
> PROC_EXIT:
>   Exit Function
>
> PROC_ERR:
>   MsgBox "Error: " & Err.Number & ". " & Err.Description, , _
>     "IsFormOpen"
>   Resume PROC_EXIT
>
> End Function
>
> Jim Hale
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Barbara Ryan [mailto:BarbaraRyan at cox.net]
> Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 2:11 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Close All Forms
>
>
> It dies after the "End Function" line is executed.
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Josh McFarlane" <darsant at gmail.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 2:50 PM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Close All Forms
>
>
> > On 8/19/05, Barbara Ryan <BarbaraRyan at cox.net> wrote:
> > > I have used the following code successfully in Access 97 to close all
> forms when a specific function key is pressed.  However, in Access 2002,
> this code causes the error box to appear (with the 2 options to send an
> error report to Microsoft or not) and then closes Access.  Does anyone
know
> why?
> > >
> > >     Function CloseAllForms()
> > >         Dim i As Integer
> > >         ' Loop through the collection of open forms and close them
> (except for the main menu)
> > >         If Forms.Count > 0 Then
> > >             For i = Forms.Count - 1 To 0 Step -1
> > >                 If Forms(i).Name <> "frmMainMenu" Then
> > >                     DoCmd.Close acForm, Forms(i).Name
> > >                 End If
> > >             Next i
> > >         End If
> > >     End Function
> >
> > Can you trace the specific line that it dies on? (IE Set a breakpoint
> > on DoCmd and see if it ever fires for each form.)
> >
> > -- 
> > Josh McFarlane
> >
> > "Peace cannot be kept by force. It can only be achieved by
understanding."
> > -Albert Einstein
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From shamil at users.mns.ru  Fri Aug 19 15:28:29 2005
From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 00:28:29 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Why did Mac switch to Intel revisted
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> the crash I described can
> even happen when you just begin to type on a line while the program is
> at a breakpoint.
They probably reuse some MS Access 97 interpretator code - just kidding :)
Seriously they had similar problem in MS Access 97, in MS Access 2000 it was
better, in MS Access XP/2003 it's even better but they disallowed to save
modules in MS Acces while debugging in "Edit & Continue" mode. MS Acces 2003
is still crashing in complicated cases of "Edit & Continue" and you never
know when... (And in MS Access 97 it was exactly like you describe - as soon
as you start typing it crashes. Another famous problem when the last edited
line of "Edit and Continue" mode  in MS Access 97 was lost etc - never
believe them! In fact eXtreme Programming is an answer here too - XP doesn't
need Edit and continue development mode...

> Granted, this was a little bit
> ago and they may have made improvements to the obfuscators now.
I did use/try several obfuscators this spring (April) - the best of them
make code absolutely unreproducable I think.
After tests my customer decided that Xenocode in standard mode ($99) is good
enough.

>If you search the MSDN docs you should
>be able to find easy ways to build this implementation in.
OK, thanks, I will read about that...

> restricting you from a common easy error, but at
> the cost of speed and efficiency.
But if the code doesn't have custom memory allocation/deallocation calls
i.e. it uses garbage collector like .NET then by definition it should be
more efficient - right? Or do you mean that .NET garbage collector is slow?

> In the example of the garbage collector: It is unnecessary to use the
> collector if you manage your resources of your classes and code
> properly so that you do not leak any resources.
Well, the cost to manage resources properly is high - I did do that in MS
Access 97/2000/XP/2003 and VB6 and in C/C++/Delphi.
Automaic intelligent garbage collector is a real "life saver".
Of course in complicated cases one has to force resources deallocation -
.NET has IDisposable interface for that as it's well known....

> I wasn't trying to promote the .NET as a restrictive language. I was
> trying to state that MS and others can make framework seem more
> flexible and easier to maintain, but that the same effect can also be
> achieved by good coding practices and software design policy.
We probably talk about different subjects here - when I asked "how do you
will restrict the quantity of attributes and methods of a class using good
coding pratices and software design policy?" (this is what happening
"automagically" when one uses XP and classical behavioral OO design and
development) I meant that there is no probably any other good coding
practice and software design policy except XP, which allows to do that so
flexibly and almost seamlessly - of course this work needs really "high
pilotage design & development experience" - I'm not there yet, rather far
from there I think....

Whatever else good coding design practice and software design policy one
invents they inevitably go XP way - that's what I meant....

As for .NET Framework vs. something "home made" - I'm not MS advocate but
I'd say that programming in VS.NET is like a "dream come true" -  finally,
after 20+ years of my programming experience...

Shamil

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Josh McFarlane" <darsant at gmail.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 10:40 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Why did Mac switch to Intel revisted


> On 8/19/05, Shamil Salakhetdinov <shamil at users.mns.ru> wrote:
> > Josh,
> >
> > Do you mean VS.NET 2005 Beta 2 when you talk about Edit & Continue
feature?
> > You guess they will never be able to make it stable? (they managed to do
> > that with VB6 and even in MS Access 2003 (although both VB6 and MS
Access
> > 2003 still may crash unexpectedly in complicated cases) - they will
probably
> > make it working stable somewhere in not that far future? No any hopes
you
> > think?
>
> Well, I'm using it mainly in reference to VC++, and having tried it on
> VS.NET 2002, 2003, and now 2005, they all have inherient crash issues
> even when doing simple things (for example, the crash I described can
> even happen when you just begin to type on a line while the program is
> at a breakpoint.
>
> > By using reflection I mean injecting specific attributes BEFORE
Just-in-time
> > compilation, just as one of thr possible ways to do that, in fact it
will
> > not be needed probably because attributes will be inline with the source
> > code...
>
> Ah, I misunderstood you there.
>
> > Did you try any of obfuscators or other methods to protect compiled code
> > from reverse engineering? - I did - and I found they are good enough
even
> > the cheap ones, and expensive ones are very good.
>
> I've tried a few different ones, and while some parts of the code
> would be obfuscatied, core components such as algorithms were still
> semi-reproducable in some test cases. Granted, this was a little bit
> ago and they may have made improvements to the obfuscators now.
>
> > I have heard they made good progress with ATL in VS.NET 2005. But I
can't
> > judge here because I do use ATL a few.
> > I didn't know that much about prioritizing threads to logical processors
and
> > HyperThreading.
>
> Basically the way the multicore processors work at this moment (at
> least to the current library of MS code) is that they are just treated
> as hyper-threading processors. If you search the MSDN docs you should
> be able to find easy ways to build this implementation in.
>
>
> > "Good software design policies" if I got that correctly is a very broad
term
> > Do you mean they can restrict also the quantity of attributes and
methods of
> > a class? If yes - could you please post an example of such software
design
> > ploicy here or give a reference to it, which also shows that it worked
in a
> > real life project?
>
> Well, the classic example I like to use is the garbage collector.
> Normally in C++ you handle allocation / deallocation of objects on the
> heap yourself. In managed C++ with .NET you can use the garbage
> collector so you don't have to worry about memory leaks from heap
> allocated objects, restricting you from a common easy error, but at
> the cost of speed and efficiency.
>
> I wasn't trying to promote the .NET as a restrictive language. I was
> trying to state that MS and others can make framework seem more
> flexible and easier to maintain, but that the same effect can also be
> achieved by good coding practices and software design policy.
>
> In the example of the garbage collector: It is unnecessary to use the
> collector if you manage your resources of your classes and code
> properly so that you do not leak any resources.
>
> Microsoft seems to be taking the approach towards creating an
> easier-to-use interface (.NET) and it seems that the more default
> customizable interfaces are being left in the dust because of it.
>
> -- 
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri Aug 19 15:36:24 2005
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 13:36:24 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Close All Forms
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86873BDB@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Is there any particular reason you're using a reverse step in this?
Have you tried it like this:

           For i = 0 to Forms.Count - 1 
                If Forms(i).Name <> "frmMainMenu" Then
                    DoCmd.Close acForm, Forms(i).Name
                End If
            Next i

Does that also bail out on End Function?

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Barbara Ryan [mailto:BarbaraRyan at cox.net] 
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 11:52 AM
To: Access List
Subject: [AccessD] Close All Forms


I have used the following code successfully in Access 97 to close all
forms when a specific function key is pressed.  However, in Access 2002,
this code causes the error box to appear (with the 2 options to send an
error report to Microsoft or not) and then closes Access.  Does anyone
know why?

    Function CloseAllForms()
        Dim i As Integer
        ' Loop through the collection of open forms and close them
(except for the main menu)
        If Forms.Count > 0 Then
            For i = Forms.Count - 1 To 0 Step -1
                If Forms(i).Name <> "frmMainMenu" Then
                    DoCmd.Close acForm, Forms(i).Name
                End If
            Next i
        End If
    End Function

Thanks,
Barb Ryan

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From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com  Fri Aug 19 16:14:02 2005
From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 17:14:02 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Close All Forms
Message-ID: <1D7828CDB8350747AFE9D69E0E90DA1F1484BE41@xlivmbx21.aig.com>

It's normal practice to go in reverse when destroying items in a collection.
Here's why...

Say there are three forms open. With this code

For i = Forms.Count - 1 To 0 Step -1

On the first time through Forms.Count - 1 is evaluated as 2, and I is set to
2.

Then DoCmd.Close acForm, Forms(i).Name will close some form in the
collection (which is closed is unspecified as collections are not sorted).

Next time round the loop i is set to 1 and another form is closed. Etc. etc.

But if we try doing this in a 'forward' direction we have...

           For i = 0 to Forms.Count - 1 
                If Forms(i).Name <> "frmMainMenu" Then
                    DoCmd.Close acForm, Forms(i).Name
                End If
            Next i

First time round Count = 3, i is set to 0 and "forms(0)" closes.
Next time round Count = 2, i = 1 and "forms(1)" closes
Next time round Count = 1, i = 2 and "Forms(2).Name" generates an error
2456, "The number you user to refer to the form is invalid", which is the
collection's equivalent of "Subscript out of range"

The For loop is optimized by the compiler so that the termination condition
(Forms.Count-1) is only evaluated once. That's why you do it in reverse. 


None of this explains why Barbara is seeing Access crash though. Her code is
totally legitimate. It's not even anything to do with the fact that the
'Function' does not return a value. I'm sure she's set it up like that so it
can be called from an AutoKey macro.

So we are left with the possibility that the applications p-code is corrupt.
Time to back it up, then decompile and compact. With any luck that will fix
it. If not, import all the objects into a new database.

Lambert

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 4:36 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Close All Forms


Is there any particular reason you're using a reverse step in this? Have you
tried it like this:

           For i = 0 to Forms.Count - 1 
                If Forms(i).Name <> "frmMainMenu" Then
                    DoCmd.Close acForm, Forms(i).Name
                End If
            Next i

Does that also bail out on End Function?

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Barbara Ryan [mailto:BarbaraRyan at cox.net] 
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 11:52 AM
To: Access List
Subject: [AccessD] Close All Forms


I have used the following code successfully in Access 97 to close all forms
when a specific function key is pressed.  However, in Access 2002, this code
causes the error box to appear (with the 2 options to send an error report
to Microsoft or not) and then closes Access.  Does anyone know why?

    Function CloseAllForms()
        Dim i As Integer
        ' Loop through the collection of open forms and close them (except
for the main menu)
        If Forms.Count > 0 Then
            For i = Forms.Count - 1 To 0 Step -1
                If Forms(i).Name <> "frmMainMenu" Then
                    DoCmd.Close acForm, Forms(i).Name
                End If
            Next i
        End If
    End Function

Thanks,
Barb Ryan

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From BarbaraRyan at cox.net  Fri Aug 19 16:27:25 2005
From: BarbaraRyan at cox.net (Barbara Ryan)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 17:27:25 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Close All Forms
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86873BDB@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <015401c5a504$cb6d0920$0a00a8c0@cx470148a>

That blew up, too.  The code has a reverse step only because I copied it
from someone else!

Barb

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 4:36 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Close All Forms


> Is there any particular reason you're using a reverse step in this?
> Have you tried it like this:
>
>            For i = 0 to Forms.Count - 1
>                 If Forms(i).Name <> "frmMainMenu" Then
>                     DoCmd.Close acForm, Forms(i).Name
>                 End If
>             Next i
>
> Does that also bail out on End Function?
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Barbara Ryan [mailto:BarbaraRyan at cox.net]
> Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 11:52 AM
> To: Access List
> Subject: [AccessD] Close All Forms
>
>
> I have used the following code successfully in Access 97 to close all
> forms when a specific function key is pressed.  However, in Access 2002,
> this code causes the error box to appear (with the 2 options to send an
> error report to Microsoft or not) and then closes Access.  Does anyone
> know why?
>
>     Function CloseAllForms()
>         Dim i As Integer
>         ' Loop through the collection of open forms and close them
> (except for the main menu)
>         If Forms.Count > 0 Then
>             For i = Forms.Count - 1 To 0 Step -1
>                 If Forms(i).Name <> "frmMainMenu" Then
>                     DoCmd.Close acForm, Forms(i).Name
>                 End If
>             Next i
>         End If
>     End Function
>
> Thanks,
> Barb Ryan
>
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Aug 19 16:32:09 2005
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 14:32:09 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Close All Forms
In-Reply-To: <00f201c5a4f1$c41f8200$0a00a8c0@cx470148a>
Message-ID: <0ILH00F0ANTJP0@l-daemon>

It wouldn't be because you have just closed the form that you are on or have
called this function from and the system is having a problem getting back??

HTH
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Barbara Ryan
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 12:11 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Close All Forms

It dies after the "End Function" line is executed.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Josh McFarlane" <darsant at gmail.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 2:50 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Close All Forms


> On 8/19/05, Barbara Ryan <BarbaraRyan at cox.net> wrote:
> > I have used the following code successfully in Access 97 to close all
forms when a specific function key is pressed.  However, in Access 2002,
this code causes the error box to appear (with the 2 options to send an
error report to Microsoft or not) and then closes Access.  Does anyone know
why?
> >
> >     Function CloseAllForms()
> >         Dim i As Integer
> >         ' Loop through the collection of open forms and close them
(except for the main menu)
> >         If Forms.Count > 0 Then
> >             For i = Forms.Count - 1 To 0 Step -1
> >                 If Forms(i).Name <> "frmMainMenu" Then
> >                     DoCmd.Close acForm, Forms(i).Name
> >                 End If
> >             Next i
> >         End If
> >     End Function
>
> Can you trace the specific line that it dies on? (IE Set a breakpoint
> on DoCmd and see if it ever fires for each form.)
>
> -- 
> Josh McFarlane
>
> "Peace cannot be kept by force. It can only be achieved by understanding."
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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Fri Aug 19 16:45:56 2005
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 14:45:56 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Close All Forms
References: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30ABEE82@ADGSERVER>
	<011101c5a4f5$2aec5000$0a00a8c0@cx470148a>
Message-ID: <43065314.3010807@shaw.ca>

Code runs okay in Access 2003 with or without any forms open
Do you have a timer running on one of the forms.
Perhaps you can narrow it down to a specific form.

Also here is some code from solutions.mdb that you could modify

It uses database container's collection rather than form's collection.
It is used to close everything on exit and checks for open recordsets.

 Function CloseObject(strContainerName As String, intContainerType As 
Integer)
    'From the Developer Solutions database
    'Close open database objects of the specified type

    Dim dbs As Database, ctr As Container
    Dim intX As Integer
    Dim rstfind As Variant

    Set dbs = CurrentDb
    Set ctr = dbs.Containers(strContainerName)

    For intX = 0 To ctr.Documents.Count - 1
       ' DoCmd.Close intContainerType, ctr.Documents(intX).Name
       Debug.Print intContainerType, ctr.Documents(intX).Name
    Next intX
   
        For Each rstfind In CurrentDb.Recordsets
        MsgBox "Recordset Found: " & rstfind.Name
    Next rstfind

End Function
 Sub cmdExit_Click()
On Error GoTo Err_cmdExit_Click
Dim bolExitDatabase As Boolean
    If MsgBox("Exit database? (No='Exit Form')", vbYesNo) = vbYes Then
        On Error Resume Next

        bolExitDatabase = True

        'Close all database objects, then exit application
        CloseObject "Tables", acTable
        CloseObject "Tables", acQuery
        CloseObject "Forms", acForm
        CloseObject "Reports", acReport
        CloseObject "Scripts", acMacro
        CloseObject "Modules", acModule

        'CloseCurrentDatabase

    Else
        DoCmd.Close
    End If

Exit_cmdExit_Click:
    Exit Sub

Err_cmdExit_Click:
    MsgBox Err.Description, , "cmdExit_Click: " & Err.Number
    Resume Exit_cmdExit_Click
End Sub

Barbara Ryan wrote:

>I don't know..... is there something new in Access 2002 that would allow
>this?
>
>Barb
>
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Bobby Heid" <bheid at appdevgrp.com>
>To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
><accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 3:14 PM
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Close All Forms
>
>
>  
>
>>Is it possible it is closing one of the standard access windows?
>>
>>Bobby
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Barbara Ryan
>>Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 3:11 PM
>>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Close All Forms
>>
>>
>>It dies after the "End Function" line is executed.
>>
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>
>  
>

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri Aug 19 17:33:32 2005
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 15:33:32 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Close All Forms
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8689A82F@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Yes, I know that Lambert.  I just wondered if it blew up the other way
too, because if so it suggests something is corrupted.  Of course, there
is an entirely different way to do it in Access 2000 and later: use the
AccessObject and loop through the Application.CurrentProject.AllForms
collection test the form's IsLoaded property before closing it. ;-}

Charlotte


-----Original Message-----
From: Heenan, Lambert [mailto:Lambert.Heenan at aig.com] 
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 2:14 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Close All Forms


It's normal practice to go in reverse when destroying items in a
collection. Here's why...

Say there are three forms open. With this code

For i = Forms.Count - 1 To 0 Step -1

On the first time through Forms.Count - 1 is evaluated as 2, and I is
set to 2.

Then DoCmd.Close acForm, Forms(i).Name will close some form in the
collection (which is closed is unspecified as collections are not
sorted).

Next time round the loop i is set to 1 and another form is closed. Etc.
etc.

But if we try doing this in a 'forward' direction we have...

           For i = 0 to Forms.Count - 1 
                If Forms(i).Name <> "frmMainMenu" Then
                    DoCmd.Close acForm, Forms(i).Name
                End If
            Next i

First time round Count = 3, i is set to 0 and "forms(0)" closes. Next
time round Count = 2, i = 1 and "forms(1)" closes Next time round Count
= 1, i = 2 and "Forms(2).Name" generates an error 2456, "The number you
user to refer to the form is invalid", which is the collection's
equivalent of "Subscript out of range"

The For loop is optimized by the compiler so that the termination
condition
(Forms.Count-1) is only evaluated once. That's why you do it in reverse.



None of this explains why Barbara is seeing Access crash though. Her
code is totally legitimate. It's not even anything to do with the fact
that the 'Function' does not return a value. I'm sure she's set it up
like that so it can be called from an AutoKey macro.

So we are left with the possibility that the applications p-code is
corrupt. Time to back it up, then decompile and compact. With any luck
that will fix it. If not, import all the objects into a new database.

Lambert

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 4:36 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Close All Forms


Is there any particular reason you're using a reverse step in this? Have
you tried it like this:

           For i = 0 to Forms.Count - 1 
                If Forms(i).Name <> "frmMainMenu" Then
                    DoCmd.Close acForm, Forms(i).Name
                End If
            Next i

Does that also bail out on End Function?

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Barbara Ryan [mailto:BarbaraRyan at cox.net] 
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 11:52 AM
To: Access List
Subject: [AccessD] Close All Forms


I have used the following code successfully in Access 97 to close all
forms when a specific function key is pressed.  However, in Access 2002,
this code causes the error box to appear (with the 2 options to send an
error report to Microsoft or not) and then closes Access.  Does anyone
know why?

    Function CloseAllForms()
        Dim i As Integer
        ' Loop through the collection of open forms and close them
(except for the main menu)
        If Forms.Count > 0 Then
            For i = Forms.Count - 1 To 0 Step -1
                If Forms(i).Name <> "frmMainMenu" Then
                    DoCmd.Close acForm, Forms(i).Name
                End If
            Next i
        End If
    End Function

Thanks,
Barb Ryan

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Aug 19 18:40:21 2005
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 19:40:21 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Close All Forms
In-Reply-To: <1D7828CDB8350747AFE9D69E0E90DA1F1484BE41@xlivmbx21.aig.com>
Message-ID: <002401c5a517$5d80cc40$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

In general with collections I use:

	While col.count > 0
		col.remove(0)
	wend

Thus for open forms

Function CloseAllForms()
    With Forms
        While .Count > 0
            DoCmd.Close acForm, .Item(0).Name
        Wend
    End With
End Function

Or alternately:

Public Sub CloseAllForms()
On Error GoTo Err_CloseAllForms
    Dim f As AccessObject
    For Each f In CurrentProject.AllForms
        DoCmd.Close acForm, f.Name
    Next
End sub

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 5:14 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Close All Forms


It's normal practice to go in reverse when destroying items in a collection.
Here's why...

Say there are three forms open. With this code

For i = Forms.Count - 1 To 0 Step -1

On the first time through Forms.Count - 1 is evaluated as 2, and I is set to
2.

Then DoCmd.Close acForm, Forms(i).Name will close some form in the
collection (which is closed is unspecified as collections are not sorted).

Next time round the loop i is set to 1 and another form is closed. Etc. etc.

But if we try doing this in a 'forward' direction we have...

           For i = 0 to Forms.Count - 1 
                If Forms(i).Name <> "frmMainMenu" Then
                    DoCmd.Close acForm, Forms(i).Name
                End If
            Next i

First time round Count = 3, i is set to 0 and "forms(0)" closes. Next time
round Count = 2, i = 1 and "forms(1)" closes Next time round Count = 1, i =
2 and "Forms(2).Name" generates an error 2456, "The number you user to refer
to the form is invalid", which is the collection's equivalent of "Subscript
out of range"

The For loop is optimized by the compiler so that the termination condition
(Forms.Count-1) is only evaluated once. That's why you do it in reverse. 


None of this explains why Barbara is seeing Access crash though. Her code is
totally legitimate. It's not even anything to do with the fact that the
'Function' does not return a value. I'm sure she's set it up like that so it
can be called from an AutoKey macro.

So we are left with the possibility that the applications p-code is corrupt.
Time to back it up, then decompile and compact. With any luck that will fix
it. If not, import all the objects into a new database.

Lambert

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 4:36 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Close All Forms


Is there any particular reason you're using a reverse step in this? Have you
tried it like this:

           For i = 0 to Forms.Count - 1 
                If Forms(i).Name <> "frmMainMenu" Then
                    DoCmd.Close acForm, Forms(i).Name
                End If
            Next i

Does that also bail out on End Function?

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Barbara Ryan [mailto:BarbaraRyan at cox.net] 
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 11:52 AM
To: Access List
Subject: [AccessD] Close All Forms


I have used the following code successfully in Access 97 to close all forms
when a specific function key is pressed.  However, in Access 2002, this code
causes the error box to appear (with the 2 options to send an error report
to Microsoft or not) and then closes Access.  Does anyone know why?

    Function CloseAllForms()
        Dim i As Integer
        ' Loop through the collection of open forms and close them (except
for the main menu)
        If Forms.Count > 0 Then
            For i = Forms.Count - 1 To 0 Step -1
                If Forms(i).Name <> "frmMainMenu" Then
                    DoCmd.Close acForm, Forms(i).Name
                End If
            Next i
        End If
    End Function

Thanks,
Barb Ryan

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From BarbaraRyan at cox.net  Fri Aug 19 19:14:45 2005
From: BarbaraRyan at cox.net (Barbara Ryan)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 20:14:45 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Close All Forms
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8689A82F@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <018901c5a51c$46927d80$0a00a8c0@cx470148a>

Since the application is now Access 2002, I can ditch the code I'm using and
use Charlotte's approach or Marty's....Thanks!  Barb


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 6:33 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Close All Forms


> Yes, I know that Lambert.  I just wondered if it blew up the other way
> too, because if so it suggests something is corrupted.  Of course, there
> is an entirely different way to do it in Access 2000 and later: use the
> AccessObject and loop through the Application.CurrentProject.AllForms
> collection test the form's IsLoaded property before closing it. ;-}
>
> Charlotte
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Heenan, Lambert [mailto:Lambert.Heenan at aig.com]
> Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 2:14 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Close All Forms
>
>
> It's normal practice to go in reverse when destroying items in a
> collection. Here's why...
>
> Say there are three forms open. With this code
>
> For i = Forms.Count - 1 To 0 Step -1
>
> On the first time through Forms.Count - 1 is evaluated as 2, and I is
> set to 2.
>
> Then DoCmd.Close acForm, Forms(i).Name will close some form in the
> collection (which is closed is unspecified as collections are not
> sorted).
>
> Next time round the loop i is set to 1 and another form is closed. Etc.
> etc.
>
> But if we try doing this in a 'forward' direction we have...
>
>            For i = 0 to Forms.Count - 1
>                 If Forms(i).Name <> "frmMainMenu" Then
>                     DoCmd.Close acForm, Forms(i).Name
>                 End If
>             Next i
>
> First time round Count = 3, i is set to 0 and "forms(0)" closes. Next
> time round Count = 2, i = 1 and "forms(1)" closes Next time round Count
> = 1, i = 2 and "Forms(2).Name" generates an error 2456, "The number you
> user to refer to the form is invalid", which is the collection's
> equivalent of "Subscript out of range"
>
> The For loop is optimized by the compiler so that the termination
> condition
> (Forms.Count-1) is only evaluated once. That's why you do it in reverse.
>
>
>
> None of this explains why Barbara is seeing Access crash though. Her
> code is totally legitimate. It's not even anything to do with the fact
> that the 'Function' does not return a value. I'm sure she's set it up
> like that so it can be called from an AutoKey macro.
>
> So we are left with the possibility that the applications p-code is
> corrupt. Time to back it up, then decompile and compact. With any luck
> that will fix it. If not, import all the objects into a new database.
>
> Lambert
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
> Foust
> Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 4:36 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Close All Forms
>
>
> Is there any particular reason you're using a reverse step in this? Have
> you tried it like this:
>
>            For i = 0 to Forms.Count - 1
>                 If Forms(i).Name <> "frmMainMenu" Then
>                     DoCmd.Close acForm, Forms(i).Name
>                 End If
>             Next i
>
> Does that also bail out on End Function?
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Barbara Ryan [mailto:BarbaraRyan at cox.net]
> Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 11:52 AM
> To: Access List
> Subject: [AccessD] Close All Forms
>
>
> I have used the following code successfully in Access 97 to close all
> forms when a specific function key is pressed.  However, in Access 2002,
> this code causes the error box to appear (with the 2 options to send an
> error report to Microsoft or not) and then closes Access.  Does anyone
> know why?
>
>     Function CloseAllForms()
>         Dim i As Integer
>         ' Loop through the collection of open forms and close them
> (except for the main menu)
>         If Forms.Count > 0 Then
>             For i = Forms.Count - 1 To 0 Step -1
>                 If Forms(i).Name <> "frmMainMenu" Then
>                     DoCmd.Close acForm, Forms(i).Name
>                 End If
>             Next i
>         End If
>     End Function
>
> Thanks,
> Barb Ryan
>
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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Fri Aug 19 23:29:14 2005
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 21:29:14 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Close All Forms
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8689A82F@infoserver01.infostat.local>
	<018901c5a51c$46927d80$0a00a8c0@cx470148a>
Message-ID: <4306B19A.8060705@shaw.ca>

You could also try a decompile just in case something flakey happened in 
the p-code

Barbara Ryan wrote:

>Since the application is now Access 2002, I can ditch the code I'm using and
>use Charlotte's approach or Marty's....Thanks!  Barb
>
>
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
><accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 6:33 PM
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Close All Forms
>
>
>  
>
>>Yes, I know that Lambert.  I just wondered if it blew up the other way
>>too, because if so it suggests something is corrupted.  Of course, there
>>is an entirely different way to do it in Access 2000 and later: use the
>>AccessObject and loop through the Application.CurrentProject.AllForms
>>collection test the form's IsLoaded property before closing it. ;-}
>>
>>Charlotte
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Heenan, Lambert [mailto:Lambert.Heenan at aig.com]
>>Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 2:14 PM
>>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Close All Forms
>>
>>
>>It's normal practice to go in reverse when destroying items in a
>>collection. Here's why...
>>
>>Say there are three forms open. With this code
>>
>>For i = Forms.Count - 1 To 0 Step -1
>>
>>On the first time through Forms.Count - 1 is evaluated as 2, and I is
>>set to 2.
>>
>>Then DoCmd.Close acForm, Forms(i).Name will close some form in the
>>collection (which is closed is unspecified as collections are not
>>sorted).
>>
>>Next time round the loop i is set to 1 and another form is closed. Etc.
>>etc.
>>
>>But if we try doing this in a 'forward' direction we have...
>>
>>           For i = 0 to Forms.Count - 1
>>                If Forms(i).Name <> "frmMainMenu" Then
>>                    DoCmd.Close acForm, Forms(i).Name
>>                End If
>>            Next i
>>
>>First time round Count = 3, i is set to 0 and "forms(0)" closes. Next
>>time round Count = 2, i = 1 and "forms(1)" closes Next time round Count
>>= 1, i = 2 and "Forms(2).Name" generates an error 2456, "The number you
>>user to refer to the form is invalid", which is the collection's
>>equivalent of "Subscript out of range"
>>
>>The For loop is optimized by the compiler so that the termination
>>condition
>>(Forms.Count-1) is only evaluated once. That's why you do it in reverse.
>>
>>
>>
>>None of this explains why Barbara is seeing Access crash though. Her
>>code is totally legitimate. It's not even anything to do with the fact
>>that the 'Function' does not return a value. I'm sure she's set it up
>>like that so it can be called from an AutoKey macro.
>>
>>So we are left with the possibility that the applications p-code is
>>corrupt. Time to back it up, then decompile and compact. With any luck
>>that will fix it. If not, import all the objects into a new database.
>>
>>Lambert
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
>>Foust
>>Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 4:36 PM
>>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Close All Forms
>>
>>
>>Is there any particular reason you're using a reverse step in this? Have
>>you tried it like this:
>>
>>           For i = 0 to Forms.Count - 1
>>                If Forms(i).Name <> "frmMainMenu" Then
>>                    DoCmd.Close acForm, Forms(i).Name
>>                End If
>>            Next i
>>
>>Does that also bail out on End Function?
>>
>>Charlotte Foust
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Barbara Ryan [mailto:BarbaraRyan at cox.net]
>>Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 11:52 AM
>>To: Access List
>>Subject: [AccessD] Close All Forms
>>
>>
>>I have used the following code successfully in Access 97 to close all
>>forms when a specific function key is pressed.  However, in Access 2002,
>>this code causes the error box to appear (with the 2 options to send an
>>error report to Microsoft or not) and then closes Access.  Does anyone
>>know why?
>>
>>    Function CloseAllForms()
>>        Dim i As Integer
>>        ' Loop through the collection of open forms and close them
>>(except for the main menu)
>>        If Forms.Count > 0 Then
>>            For i = Forms.Count - 1 To 0 Step -1
>>                If Forms(i).Name <> "frmMainMenu" Then
>>                    DoCmd.Close acForm, Forms(i).Name
>>                End If
>>            Next i
>>        End If
>>    End Function
>>
>>Thanks,
>>Barb Ryan
>>
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>>
>
>  
>

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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Sat Aug 20 08:59:08 2005
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 08:59:08 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Close All Forms
In-Reply-To: <28733657.1124512556545.JavaMail.root@sniper18>
Message-ID: <000001c5a58f$57735610$0300a8c0@danwaters>

I once solved a 'form corruption' problem by:

1) Comment ALL the code in the form
2) Decompile
3) Exit Access
4) Open Application
5) Uncomment all the code 
6) Compile

The reason I did this was because a form on one user's PC was erroring out
on a line of code, but no one else's was doing that.  The above solved the
problem.  I'm guessing that commenting out the VBA code and decompiling
completely removed the offending p-code, then uncommenting and compiling
created completely new p-code.  A note - the form had been originally
created in A95, had been modified heavily, and was being used in AXP.

HTH,

Dan Waters

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 11:29 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Close All Forms

You could also try a decompile just in case something flakey happened in 
the p-code

Barbara Ryan wrote:

>Since the application is now Access 2002, I can ditch the code I'm using
and
>use Charlotte's approach or Marty's....Thanks!  Barb
>
>
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
><accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 6:33 PM
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Close All Forms
>
>
>  
>
>>Yes, I know that Lambert.  I just wondered if it blew up the other way
>>too, because if so it suggests something is corrupted.  Of course, there
>>is an entirely different way to do it in Access 2000 and later: use the
>>AccessObject and loop through the Application.CurrentProject.AllForms
>>collection test the form's IsLoaded property before closing it. ;-}
>>
>>Charlotte
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Heenan, Lambert [mailto:Lambert.Heenan at aig.com]
>>Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 2:14 PM
>>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Close All Forms
>>
>>
>>It's normal practice to go in reverse when destroying items in a
>>collection. Here's why...
>>
>>Say there are three forms open. With this code
>>
>>For i = Forms.Count - 1 To 0 Step -1
>>
>>On the first time through Forms.Count - 1 is evaluated as 2, and I is
>>set to 2.
>>
>>Then DoCmd.Close acForm, Forms(i).Name will close some form in the
>>collection (which is closed is unspecified as collections are not
>>sorted).
>>
>>Next time round the loop i is set to 1 and another form is closed. Etc.
>>etc.
>>
>>But if we try doing this in a 'forward' direction we have...
>>
>>           For i = 0 to Forms.Count - 1
>>                If Forms(i).Name <> "frmMainMenu" Then
>>                    DoCmd.Close acForm, Forms(i).Name
>>                End If
>>            Next i
>>
>>First time round Count = 3, i is set to 0 and "forms(0)" closes. Next
>>time round Count = 2, i = 1 and "forms(1)" closes Next time round Count
>>= 1, i = 2 and "Forms(2).Name" generates an error 2456, "The number you
>>user to refer to the form is invalid", which is the collection's
>>equivalent of "Subscript out of range"
>>
>>The For loop is optimized by the compiler so that the termination
>>condition
>>(Forms.Count-1) is only evaluated once. That's why you do it in reverse.
>>
>>
>>
>>None of this explains why Barbara is seeing Access crash though. Her
>>code is totally legitimate. It's not even anything to do with the fact
>>that the 'Function' does not return a value. I'm sure she's set it up
>>like that so it can be called from an AutoKey macro.
>>
>>So we are left with the possibility that the applications p-code is
>>corrupt. Time to back it up, then decompile and compact. With any luck
>>that will fix it. If not, import all the objects into a new database.
>>
>>Lambert
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
>>Foust
>>Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 4:36 PM
>>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Close All Forms
>>
>>
>>Is there any particular reason you're using a reverse step in this? Have
>>you tried it like this:
>>
>>           For i = 0 to Forms.Count - 1
>>                If Forms(i).Name <> "frmMainMenu" Then
>>                    DoCmd.Close acForm, Forms(i).Name
>>                End If
>>            Next i
>>
>>Does that also bail out on End Function?
>>
>>Charlotte Foust
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Barbara Ryan [mailto:BarbaraRyan at cox.net]
>>Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 11:52 AM
>>To: Access List
>>Subject: [AccessD] Close All Forms
>>
>>
>>I have used the following code successfully in Access 97 to close all
>>forms when a specific function key is pressed.  However, in Access 2002,
>>this code causes the error box to appear (with the 2 options to send an
>>error report to Microsoft or not) and then closes Access.  Does anyone
>>know why?
>>
>>    Function CloseAllForms()
>>        Dim i As Integer
>>        ' Loop through the collection of open forms and close them
>>(except for the main menu)
>>        If Forms.Count > 0 Then
>>            For i = Forms.Count - 1 To 0 Step -1
>>                If Forms(i).Name <> "frmMainMenu" Then
>>                    DoCmd.Close acForm, Forms(i).Name
>>                End If
>>            Next i
>>        End If
>>    End Function
>>
>>Thanks,
>>Barb Ryan
>>
>>-- 
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>>
>
>  
>

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Victoria, B.C.
Canada



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From gustav at cactus.dk  Sat Aug 20 12:46:51 2005
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 19:46:51 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Parameter make table query
Message-ID: <s30788ba.000@cactus.dk>

Hi Chester

You could use this syntax for populating a recordset:

MyQDef1.Parameters("Pattern Name").Value = PatternName

However, this opens a new instance of the query knowing nothing of the
parameter setting above:
DoCmd.OpenQuery MyQDef1.Name, acViewNormal, acEdit

You will need to set the parameter to a public variable (or static
function), then create a function to retrieve that value; now, remove
the parameter and use this function in the query to supply the value
(after setting it in your code as previously).

/gustav


>>> Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com 17-08-05 23:27 >>>
I try to run the following code for a make table query but it still asks
for a parameter. Why?  Do I need to run it differently? Thanks.

PatternName = "123-4"

Set MyQDef1 = MyDb.QueryDefs("qry Actual Production after Inj Start
Date")

MyQDef1.Parameters![Pattern Name] = PatternName

DoCmd.OpenQuery "qry Actual Production after Inj Start Date",
acViewNormal, acEdit



From gustav at cactus.dk  Sat Aug 20 12:53:12 2005
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 19:53:12 +0200
Subject: Svar: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
Message-ID: <s3078a41.001@cactus.dk>

Hi Shamil

First, welcome back to AccessD!
Then, I find this a very interesting topic with a lot of perspective.

/gustav

>>> shamil at users.mns.ru 18-08-05 1:28 >>>
Hi All,

I wanted to ask you - what about the subject?
Anybody uses/interested to use MS Access client applications this way?

Do I miss obvious (RTFM) stuff and such a disconnected mode is already
implemented in MS Access and broadly used by MS Access developers? Yes,
I
know ADO recordsets can be used with bound MS Access forms etc. but this
looks like a rather limited feature - am I wrong?

What I mean is cashing data locally into mdbs, only the data needed for
the
currently open form(s) etc., processing this data and then updating
backend
database(mdb, MSDE, MS SQL, whatever...) - with all this cashing and
updating made mostly automatically by a tiny framework code, based on
ADO.NET...(yes, this local caching of data is not a new subject but
nowadays
it can be (re-)implement really scalable way with a way less efforts
than
before)

Maybe MS plans to do something like that?

Is that a wheel reinvention or anybody here sees such opportunity like a
really useful feature in their real life projects?

For me it looks like a useful feature because it could help: to get MS
Access back into mainstream development area because it will allow to
easily
scale applications with MS Access front-ends...

There are many other ideas but most of them in this "ideas pool" based
on
the subject one - if it doesn't make sense for real-life projects then
I'd
better stop working on it...

What is your opinion about the subject?
When you expect MS will do something like that in MS Access?

Thank you,
Shamil



From shamil at users.mns.ru  Sat Aug 20 15:34:27 2005
From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 00:34:27 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
References: <s3078a41.001@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <003801c5a5c6$91e41a00$6401a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru>

Hi Gustav,

Thank you for your welcoming and support!

I have intentions to start approaching and implementing this idea here
beginning next week with progress results published as a blog.

I decided to codename  this project (and its main object) as

"Virtual Data Vault".

It sounds generic but nothing more than making MS Access clients
working in disconnected mode via ADO.NET with MS Access backends is planned
on first steps. I mean first of all MS Access clients using bounds forms
with data cached into local mdb tables...

I don't have a lot of spare time but I do plan to find at least 20-30
minutes per day for this project.
To make this project possible and progressing in such small chunks I see the
only way to go is to use XP with Unit testing.
I hope Charlotte Foust will assist me and will be my peer reviewer becaue
she seems to be most interested in this project. How about that opportunity
Charlotte? - if you will find 10 minutes per day for this peroject - very
fine, if just 10 minutes per week - would be good too! If this project fails
or "dies", which may happen of course - this will be all my fault...

Most of the programming is planned to be done in C#...

For blogging bBlog is currently planned - http://www.bblog.com/ - but still
to find out will it be possible to install it here on my ISP hosting....

Any other good and simple to install blogging engines/opportunities?

Thank you,
Shamil

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2005 9:53 PM
Subject: Svar: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..


> Hi Shamil
>
> First, welcome back to AccessD!
> Then, I find this a very interesting topic with a lot of perspective.
>
> /gustav
>
> >>> shamil at users.mns.ru 18-08-05 1:28 >>>
> Hi All,
>
> I wanted to ask you - what about the subject?
> Anybody uses/interested to use MS Access client applications this way?
>
> Do I miss obvious (RTFM) stuff and such a disconnected mode is already
> implemented in MS Access and broadly used by MS Access developers? Yes,
> I
> know ADO recordsets can be used with bound MS Access forms etc. but this
> looks like a rather limited feature - am I wrong?
>
> What I mean is cashing data locally into mdbs, only the data needed for
> the
> currently open form(s) etc., processing this data and then updating
> backend
> database(mdb, MSDE, MS SQL, whatever...) - with all this cashing and
> updating made mostly automatically by a tiny framework code, based on
> ADO.NET...(yes, this local caching of data is not a new subject but
> nowadays
> it can be (re-)implement really scalable way with a way less efforts
> than
> before)
>
> Maybe MS plans to do something like that?
>
> Is that a wheel reinvention or anybody here sees such opportunity like a
> really useful feature in their real life projects?
>
> For me it looks like a useful feature because it could help: to get MS
> Access back into mainstream development area because it will allow to
> easily
> scale applications with MS Access front-ends...
>
> There are many other ideas but most of them in this "ideas pool" based
> on
> the subject one - if it doesn't make sense for real-life projects then
> I'd
> better stop working on it...
>
> What is your opinion about the subject?
> When you expect MS will do something like that in MS Access?
>
> Thank you,
> Shamil
>
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Sat Aug 20 16:53:28 2005
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 23:53:28 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Close All Forms
Message-ID: <s307c283.004@cactus.dk>

Hi Barbara

First, there's no need to retrieve the Form collection count that many
times.
Second, your main form is probably the first form to open, so why not
just leave it?

Thus:

    Function CloseAllForms()
      Dim lngForms As Long
      Dim lngForm  As Long
      lngForms = Forms.Count
      ' Loop through the collection of forms and close 
      ' them except for the first opened (main form).
      For lngForm = lngForms - 1 To 1 Step -1
        DoCmd.Close acForm, Forms(lngForm).Name
      Next
    End Function

You cannot do this forward because if you close form N all form indexes
above N will be shifted one down to fill the hole in numbers. This
could, however, be taken advantage of:

    Function CloseAllForms()
      ' Close all forms except the first opened.
      While Forms.Count > 1
        DoCmd.Close acForm, Forms(1).Name
      Wend
    End Function

As you can see, your function seems to be a mix of these two approaches.

/gustav

>>> BarbaraRyan at cox.net 19-08-05 20:51 >>>
I have used the following code successfully in Access 97 to close all
forms when a specific function key is pressed.  However, in Access 2002,
this code causes the error box to appear (with the 2 options to send an
error report to Microsoft or not) and then closes Access.  Does anyone
know why?

    Function CloseAllForms()
        Dim i As Integer
        ' Loop through the collection of open forms and close them
(except for the main menu)
        If Forms.Count > 0 Then
            For i = Forms.Count - 1 To 0 Step -1
                If Forms(i).Name <> "frmMainMenu" Then
                    DoCmd.Close acForm, Forms(i).Name
                End If
            Next i
        End If
    End Function

Thanks,
Barb Ryan



From artful at rogers.com  Sat Aug 20 18:19:08 2005
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 19:19:08 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Friday Humour a Day Late
Message-ID: <200508202319.j7KNJ7R10658@databaseadvisors.com>

A very old Italian gentleman with a son Vito in prison, wrote him a letter.

Vito, I wish you were here with me. I want to dig up the garden and plant
some tomatoes and olive trees. But the garden is rocky and I am old and
infirm and have no energy to do it. If you were here, I know you would dig
the garden for me, and I could plant the tomatoes and olives and grow them
to fruition.

Vito, receiving the letter in prison, writes back: DO NOT dig up the garden.
That is where I planted the bodies.

Next morning, 5am, the FBI arrives with bulldozers, scoop-shovels and
various equipment. They dig up the entire garden 12 meters deep and find
nothing. They depart.

Next morning, the old man receives another letter from Vito.

Plant your tomatoes, Father. Under the circumstances, this is the best I
could do.

 

A.

 



From artful at rogers.com  Sun Aug 21 15:42:52 2005
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 16:42:52 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] "Find" combo box searches more than one table
In-Reply-To: <A5B5AA20555F594BA7B6BD2048E49E4376FE61@m-niosh-5.niosh.cdc.gov>
Message-ID: <200508212042.j7LKgrR30343@databaseadvisors.com>

UNION the pair of SELECT statements, each point to one table. Grab the
second column to know the location of the hit. Assuming that both tables
have similar structures, open the edit form passing the appropriate args,
i.e.
DoCmd.OpenForm FormName:= {arg1}, WhereClause:= {PK-column} = "your value"

HTH,
Arthur



From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Aug 22 10:29:58 2005
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 08:29:58 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86873BE0@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Shamil,

I would be deeply honored to work with you on this ... Especially if any
failures are all *your* fault! LOL  

I suppose this means that I have to get better are reading C# code,
right?  <sigh>

bBlog looks awesome, and this looks like fun! 


Charlotte


-----Original Message-----
From: Shamil Salakhetdinov [mailto:shamil at users.mns.ru] 
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2005 1:34 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..


Hi Gustav,

Thank you for your welcoming and support!

I have intentions to start approaching and implementing this idea here
beginning next week with progress results published as a blog.

I decided to codename  this project (and its main object) as

"Virtual Data Vault".

It sounds generic but nothing more than making MS Access clients working
in disconnected mode via ADO.NET with MS Access backends is planned on
first steps. I mean first of all MS Access clients using bounds forms
with data cached into local mdb tables...

I don't have a lot of spare time but I do plan to find at least 20-30
minutes per day for this project. To make this project possible and
progressing in such small chunks I see the only way to go is to use XP
with Unit testing. I hope Charlotte Foust will assist me and will be my
peer reviewer becaue she seems to be most interested in this project.
How about that opportunity Charlotte? - if you will find 10 minutes per
day for this peroject - very fine, if just 10 minutes per week - would
be good too! If this project fails or "dies", which may happen of course
- this will be all my fault...

Most of the programming is planned to be done in C#...

For blogging bBlog is currently planned - http://www.bblog.com/ - but
still to find out will it be possible to install it here on my ISP
hosting....

Any other good and simple to install blogging engines/opportunities?

Thank you,
Shamil

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2005 9:53 PM
Subject: Svar: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..


> Hi Shamil
>
> First, welcome back to AccessD!
> Then, I find this a very interesting topic with a lot of perspective.
>
> /gustav
>
> >>> shamil at users.mns.ru 18-08-05 1:28 >>>
> Hi All,
>
> I wanted to ask you - what about the subject?
> Anybody uses/interested to use MS Access client applications this way?
>
> Do I miss obvious (RTFM) stuff and such a disconnected mode is already

> implemented in MS Access and broadly used by MS Access developers? 
> Yes, I know ADO recordsets can be used with bound MS Access forms etc.

> but this looks like a rather limited feature - am I wrong?
>
> What I mean is cashing data locally into mdbs, only the data needed 
> for the currently open form(s) etc., processing this data and then 
> updating backend
> database(mdb, MSDE, MS SQL, whatever...) - with all this cashing and
> updating made mostly automatically by a tiny framework code, based on
> ADO.NET...(yes, this local caching of data is not a new subject but
> nowadays
> it can be (re-)implement really scalable way with a way less efforts
> than
> before)
>
> Maybe MS plans to do something like that?
>
> Is that a wheel reinvention or anybody here sees such opportunity like

> a really useful feature in their real life projects?
>
> For me it looks like a useful feature because it could help: to get MS

> Access back into mainstream development area because it will allow to 
> easily scale applications with MS Access front-ends...
>
> There are many other ideas but most of them in this "ideas pool" based

> on the subject one - if it doesn't make sense for real-life projects 
> then I'd
> better stop working on it...
>
> What is your opinion about the subject?
> When you expect MS will do something like that in MS Access?
>
> Thank you,
> Shamil
>
> --
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Aug 22 10:31:38 2005
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 08:31:38 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Friday Humour a Day Late
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86873BE1@infoserver01.infostat.local>

ROTFL

It's good, even late!

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Arthur Fuller [mailto:artful at rogers.com] 
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2005 4:19 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Friday Humour a Day Late


A very old Italian gentleman with a son Vito in prison, wrote him a
letter.

Vito, I wish you were here with me. I want to dig up the garden and
plant some tomatoes and olive trees. But the garden is rocky and I am
old and infirm and have no energy to do it. If you were here, I know you
would dig the garden for me, and I could plant the tomatoes and olives
and grow them to fruition.

Vito, receiving the letter in prison, writes back: DO NOT dig up the
garden. That is where I planted the bodies.

Next morning, 5am, the FBI arrives with bulldozers, scoop-shovels and
various equipment. They dig up the entire garden 12 meters deep and find
nothing. They depart.

Next morning, the old man receives another letter from Vito.

Plant your tomatoes, Father. Under the circumstances, this is the best I
could do.

 

A.

 

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From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com  Mon Aug 22 10:30:26 2005
From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester)
Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 10:30:26 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Table does not open to first record
Message-ID: <F1DD538AE6BCE74EBE562DE51564D322FAC406@houexch1.kindermorgan.com>

I use the following code to open a table (myds) which is indexed on the
date field. When I pull a record in code it gets record 127. I tried a
movefirst command and the table still starts on record 127. Any ideas
what is happening appreciated.

 

Dim MyDb As Database, myds As Recordset

Set MyDb = CurrentDb()

Set myds = MyDb.OpenRecordset("tbl Produced HCPV% One Pattern",
dbOpenTable)

 

myds.MoveFirst

myds1.AddNew

    myds1.Fields(0) = myds.Fields(0)    'Date

    myds1.Fields(1) = myds.Fields(1)    'Pattern name

    myds1.Fields(2) = myds.Fields(2)    'Cum total injection

    myds1.Fields(3) = myds.Fields(3)    'Cum based HCPV%

    myds1.Fields(4) = myds.Fields(4)    'Derivative based HCPV%

myds1.Update

 

Chester Kaup

Engineering Technician

Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP

Office (432) 688-3797

FAX (432) 688-3799

 

 

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number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced.

 



From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Aug 22 10:48:25 2005
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 08:48:25 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Table does not open to first record
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86873BE2@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Sorry but I don't know what you mean by "pull a record in code".  Do you
mean that when you move to the first record in myds, it isn't the
earliest date in the table?  You don't indicate why myds1 is or how it's
populated either.

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Kaup, Chester [mailto:Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com] 
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 8:30 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Table does not open to first record


I use the following code to open a table (myds) which is indexed on the
date field. When I pull a record in code it gets record 127. I tried a
movefirst command and the table still starts on record 127. Any ideas
what is happening appreciated.

 

Dim MyDb As Database, myds As Recordset

Set MyDb = CurrentDb()

Set myds = MyDb.OpenRecordset("tbl Produced HCPV% One Pattern",
dbOpenTable)

 

myds.MoveFirst

myds1.AddNew

    myds1.Fields(0) = myds.Fields(0)    'Date

    myds1.Fields(1) = myds.Fields(1)    'Pattern name

    myds1.Fields(2) = myds.Fields(2)    'Cum total injection

    myds1.Fields(3) = myds.Fields(3)    'Cum based HCPV%

    myds1.Fields(4) = myds.Fields(4)    'Derivative based HCPV%

myds1.Update

 

Chester Kaup

Engineering Technician

Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP

Office (432) 688-3797

FAX (432) 688-3799

 

 

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From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com  Mon Aug 22 10:56:26 2005
From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester)
Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 10:56:26 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Table does not open to first record
Message-ID: <F1DD538AE6BCE74EBE562DE51564D322FAC440@houexch1.kindermorgan.com>

Myds is a table that has been populated in previous code one record at a
time. When I view my list of tables and double click on the table it
opens in ascending date order. When I open the table in code it does not
open on the first record which is the one with the earliest date. Hope
that makes sense.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 10:48 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Table does not open to first record

Sorry but I don't know what you mean by "pull a record in code".  Do you
mean that when you move to the first record in myds, it isn't the
earliest date in the table?  You don't indicate why myds1 is or how it's
populated either.

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Kaup, Chester [mailto:Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com] 
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 8:30 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Table does not open to first record


I use the following code to open a table (myds) which is indexed on the
date field. When I pull a record in code it gets record 127. I tried a
movefirst command and the table still starts on record 127. Any ideas
what is happening appreciated.

 

Dim MyDb As Database, myds As Recordset

Set MyDb = CurrentDb()

Set myds = MyDb.OpenRecordset("tbl Produced HCPV% One Pattern",
dbOpenTable)

 

myds.MoveFirst

myds1.AddNew

    myds1.Fields(0) = myds.Fields(0)    'Date

    myds1.Fields(1) = myds.Fields(1)    'Pattern name

    myds1.Fields(2) = myds.Fields(2)    'Cum total injection

    myds1.Fields(3) = myds.Fields(3)    'Cum based HCPV%

    myds1.Fields(4) = myds.Fields(4)    'Derivative based HCPV%

myds1.Update

 

Chester Kaup

Engineering Technician

Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP

Office (432) 688-3797

FAX (432) 688-3799

 

 

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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Mon Aug 22 11:02:14 2005
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 17:02:14 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Table does not open to first record
Message-ID: <20050822160210.9B0B8254BCF@smtp.nildram.co.uk>

Chester
Try inserting

myds.index="yourindexname"

after the Open
--
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--------- Original Message --------
From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Table does not open to first record
Date: 22/08/05 15:57


Myds is a table that has been populated in previous code one record at a
time. When I view my list of tables and double click on the table it
opens in ascending date order. When I open the table in code it does not
open on the first record which is the one with the earliest date. Hope
that makes sense.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 10:48 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Table does not open to first record

Sorry but I don't know what you mean by "pull a record in code". Do you
mean that when you move to the first record in myds, it isn't the
earliest date in the table? You don't indicate why myds1 is or how it's
populated either.

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Kaup, Chester [mailto:Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com]
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 8:30 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Table does not open to first record


I use the following code to open a table (myds) which is indexed on the
date field. When I pull a record in code it gets record 127. I tried a
movefirst command and the table still starts on record 127. Any ideas
what is happening appreciated.



Dim MyDb As Database, myds As Recordset

Set MyDb = CurrentDb()

Set myds = MyDb.OpenRecordset("tbl Produced HCPV% One Pattern",
dbOpenTable)



myds.MoveFirst

myds1.AddNew

myds1.Fields(0) = myds.Fields(0) 'Date

myds1.Fields(1) = myds.Fields(1) 'Pattern name

myds1.Fields(2) = myds.Fields(2) 'Cum total injection

myds1.Fields(3) = myds.Fields(3) 'Cum based HCPV%

myds1.Fields(4) = myds.Fields(4) 'Derivative based HCPV%

myds1.Update



Chester Kaup

Engineering Technician

Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP

Office (432) 688-3797

FAX (432) 688-3799





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From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com  Mon Aug 22 11:21:02 2005
From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester)
Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 11:21:02 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Table does not open to first record
Message-ID: <F1DD538AE6BCE74EBE562DE51564D322FAC45E@houexch1.kindermorgan.com>

Thanks that fixed it. Learn something new every day.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 11:02 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Table does not open to first record

Chester
Try inserting

myds.index="yourindexname"

after the Open
--
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http://www.minstersystems.co.uk




--------- Original Message --------
From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Table does not open to first record
Date: 22/08/05 15:57


Myds is a table that has been populated in previous code one record at a
time. When I view my list of tables and double click on the table it
opens in ascending date order. When I open the table in code it does not
open on the first record which is the one with the earliest date. Hope
that makes sense.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 10:48 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Table does not open to first record

Sorry but I don't know what you mean by "pull a record in code". Do you
mean that when you move to the first record in myds, it isn't the
earliest date in the table? You don't indicate why myds1 is or how it's
populated either.

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Kaup, Chester [mailto:Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com]
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 8:30 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Table does not open to first record


I use the following code to open a table (myds) which is indexed on the
date field. When I pull a record in code it gets record 127. I tried a
movefirst command and the table still starts on record 127. Any ideas
what is happening appreciated.



Dim MyDb As Database, myds As Recordset

Set MyDb = CurrentDb()

Set myds = MyDb.OpenRecordset("tbl Produced HCPV% One Pattern",
dbOpenTable)



myds.MoveFirst

myds1.AddNew

myds1.Fields(0) = myds.Fields(0) 'Date

myds1.Fields(1) = myds.Fields(1) 'Pattern name

myds1.Fields(2) = myds.Fields(2) 'Cum total injection

myds1.Fields(3) = myds.Fields(3) 'Cum based HCPV%

myds1.Fields(4) = myds.Fields(4) 'Derivative based HCPV%

myds1.Update



Chester Kaup

Engineering Technician

Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP

Office (432) 688-3797

FAX (432) 688-3799





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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Mon Aug 22 11:43:26 2005
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 09:43:26 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Table does not open to first record
References: <F1DD538AE6BCE74EBE562DE51564D322FAC406@houexch1.kindermorgan.com>
Message-ID: <430A00AE.2070306@shaw.ca>

 An index won't guarantee the order in which the rows are returned from 
a table unless it is applied.
otherwise the table will be just like a shuffled deck of cards.
To apply an index use OrderBy  and dbOpenDynaset rather than dbOpenTable
If you don't specify the second parameter in Openrecordset , by default 
Access looks at the table
and uses dbOpenTable, if a local Table or dbOpenDynaSet , if a query or 
linked backend table.

So you would want to apply a  dynamic query to establish indexed order 
like so.
Or you can create your own named query in place of strSQL.

dim strSQL as String
strSQL = "SELECT * FROM [tbl Produced HCPV% One Pattern] OrderBy 
MyDateFieldname",
debug.print strSQL ' just to check you got it right

Set myds = MyDb.OpenRecordset(strSQL, dbOpenDynaset)



Kaup, Chester wrote:

>I use the following code to open a table (myds) which is indexed on the
>date field. When I pull a record in code it gets record 127. I tried a
>movefirst command and the table still starts on record 127. Any ideas
>what is happening appreciated.
>
> 
>
>Dim MyDb As Database, myds As Recordset
>
>Set MyDb = CurrentDb()
>
>Set myds = MyDb.OpenRecordset("tbl Produced HCPV% One Pattern",
>dbOpenTable)
>
> 
>
>myds.MoveFirst
>
>myds1.AddNew
>
>    myds1.Fields(0) = myds.Fields(0)    'Date
>
>    myds1.Fields(1) = myds.Fields(1)    'Pattern name
>
>    myds1.Fields(2) = myds.Fields(2)    'Cum total injection
>
>    myds1.Fields(3) = myds.Fields(3)    'Cum based HCPV%
>
>    myds1.Fields(4) = myds.Fields(4)    'Derivative based HCPV%
>
>myds1.Update
>
> 
>
>Chester Kaup
>
>Engineering Technician
>
>Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP
>
>Office (432) 688-3797
>
>FAX (432) 688-3799
>
> 
>
> 
>
>No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However a large
>number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced.
>
> 
>
>  
>

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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Mon Aug 22 12:04:31 2005
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 10:04:31 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Table does not open to first record
References: <20050822160210.9B0B8254BCF@smtp.nildram.co.uk>
Message-ID: <430A059F.8070101@shaw.ca>

Me too, learn something again you had long forgotten about.

Andy Lacey wrote:

>Chester
>Try inserting
>
>myds.index="yourindexname"
>
>after the Open
>--
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>http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>
>
>
>
>--------- Original Message --------
>From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
><accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
><accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Table does not open to first record
>Date: 22/08/05 15:57
>
>
>Myds is a table that has been populated in previous code one record at a
>time. When I view my list of tables and double click on the table it
>opens in ascending date order. When I open the table in code it does not
>open on the first record which is the one with the earliest date. Hope
>that makes sense.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
>Foust
>Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 10:48 AM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Table does not open to first record
>
>Sorry but I don't know what you mean by "pull a record in code". Do you
>mean that when you move to the first record in myds, it isn't the
>earliest date in the table? You don't indicate why myds1 is or how it's
>populated either.
>
>Charlotte Foust
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Kaup, Chester [mailto:Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com]
>Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 8:30 AM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: [AccessD] Table does not open to first record
>
>
>I use the following code to open a table (myds) which is indexed on the
>date field. When I pull a record in code it gets record 127. I tried a
>movefirst command and the table still starts on record 127. Any ideas
>what is happening appreciated.
>
>
>
>Dim MyDb As Database, myds As Recordset
>
>Set MyDb = CurrentDb()
>
>Set myds = MyDb.OpenRecordset("tbl Produced HCPV% One Pattern",
>dbOpenTable)
>
>
>
>myds.MoveFirst
>
>myds1.AddNew
>
>myds1.Fields(0) = myds.Fields(0) 'Date
>
>myds1.Fields(1) = myds.Fields(1) 'Pattern name
>
>myds1.Fields(2) = myds.Fields(2) 'Cum total injection
>
>myds1.Fields(3) = myds.Fields(3) 'Cum based HCPV%
>
>myds1.Fields(4) = myds.Fields(4) 'Derivative based HCPV%
>
>myds1.Update
>
>
>
>Chester Kaup
>
>Engineering Technician
>
>Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP
>
>Office (432) 688-3797
>
>FAX (432) 688-3799
>
>
>
>
>
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>number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced.
>
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From shamil at users.mns.ru  Mon Aug 22 12:26:43 2005
From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 21:26:43 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86873BE0@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <004c01c5a741$49098280$6501a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru>

> I would be deeply honored to work with you on this ...
Thank you, Charlotte, for your confirmation that you're interested to work
in this project!

> Especially if any failures are all *your* fault! LOL
Yes, all the failures will be mine if you don't mind.
Glorious results  - common :)

> I suppose this means that I have to get better
>  are reading C# code, right?
Please don't do any preliminary work like starting to train yourself in
coding in C#...

> and this looks like fun!
...because you're right - it should be fun.

If you program on VB.NET then running C# unit tests and samples will not be
a problem at all I think.
And I think you'll get good experience in C# "automagically" while we will
be developing this project, therefore no need to worry about that now...

So, now it's my duty to prepare everything to start this project somewhere
end of this week.
Installing bBlog on my ISP hosting is the main task for me now.
Hopefully it will go smoothly.
I'm setting deadline to have it running: this Thursday, August 23, 2005,
evening...

Thank you,
Shamil

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 7:29 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..


> Shamil,
>
> I would be deeply honored to work with you on this ... Especially if any
> failures are all *your* fault! LOL
>
> I suppose this means that I have to get better are reading C# code,
> right?  <sigh>
>
> bBlog looks awesome, and this looks like fun!
>
>
> Charlotte
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Shamil Salakhetdinov [mailto:shamil at users.mns.ru]
> Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2005 1:34 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
>
>
> Hi Gustav,
>
> Thank you for your welcoming and support!
>
> I have intentions to start approaching and implementing this idea here
> beginning next week with progress results published as a blog.
>
> I decided to codename  this project (and its main object) as
>
> "Virtual Data Vault".
>
> It sounds generic but nothing more than making MS Access clients working
> in disconnected mode via ADO.NET with MS Access backends is planned on
> first steps. I mean first of all MS Access clients using bounds forms
> with data cached into local mdb tables...
>
> I don't have a lot of spare time but I do plan to find at least 20-30
> minutes per day for this project. To make this project possible and
> progressing in such small chunks I see the only way to go is to use XP
> with Unit testing. I hope Charlotte Foust will assist me and will be my
> peer reviewer becaue she seems to be most interested in this project.
> How about that opportunity Charlotte? - if you will find 10 minutes per
> day for this peroject - very fine, if just 10 minutes per week - would
> be good too! If this project fails or "dies", which may happen of course
> - this will be all my fault...
>
> Most of the programming is planned to be done in C#...
>
> For blogging bBlog is currently planned - http://www.bblog.com/ - but
> still to find out will it be possible to install it here on my ISP
> hosting....
>
> Any other good and simple to install blogging engines/opportunities?
>
> Thank you,
> Shamil
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
> To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2005 9:53 PM
> Subject: Svar: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
>
>
> > Hi Shamil
> >
> > First, welcome back to AccessD!
> > Then, I find this a very interesting topic with a lot of perspective.
> >
> > /gustav
> >
> > >>> shamil at users.mns.ru 18-08-05 1:28 >>>
> > Hi All,
> >
> > I wanted to ask you - what about the subject?
> > Anybody uses/interested to use MS Access client applications this way?
> >
> > Do I miss obvious (RTFM) stuff and such a disconnected mode is already
>
> > implemented in MS Access and broadly used by MS Access developers?
> > Yes, I know ADO recordsets can be used with bound MS Access forms etc.
>
> > but this looks like a rather limited feature - am I wrong?
> >
> > What I mean is cashing data locally into mdbs, only the data needed
> > for the currently open form(s) etc., processing this data and then
> > updating backend
> > database(mdb, MSDE, MS SQL, whatever...) - with all this cashing and
> > updating made mostly automatically by a tiny framework code, based on
> > ADO.NET...(yes, this local caching of data is not a new subject but
> > nowadays
> > it can be (re-)implement really scalable way with a way less efforts
> > than
> > before)
> >
> > Maybe MS plans to do something like that?
> >
> > Is that a wheel reinvention or anybody here sees such opportunity like
>
> > a really useful feature in their real life projects?
> >
> > For me it looks like a useful feature because it could help: to get MS
>
> > Access back into mainstream development area because it will allow to
> > easily scale applications with MS Access front-ends...
> >
> > There are many other ideas but most of them in this "ideas pool" based
>
> > on the subject one - if it doesn't make sense for real-life projects
> > then I'd
> > better stop working on it...
> >
> > What is your opinion about the subject?
> > When you expect MS will do something like that in MS Access?
> >
> > Thank you,
> > Shamil
> >
> > --
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From shamil at users.mns.ru  Mon Aug 22 12:57:05 2005
From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 21:57:05 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86873BE0@infoserver01.infostat.local>
	<004c01c5a741$49098280$6501a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru>
Message-ID: <000501c5a742$ea36b0a0$6501a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru>

> I'm setting deadline to have it running: this Thursday, August 23, 2005,
> evening...
Sorry, Thursday is 25 of August not 23th - I meant 25th as a deadline date
for bBlog up&running here...

Shamil

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil at users.mns.ru>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 9:26 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..


> > I would be deeply honored to work with you on this ...
> Thank you, Charlotte, for your confirmation that you're interested to work
> in this project!
>
> > Especially if any failures are all *your* fault! LOL
> Yes, all the failures will be mine if you don't mind.
> Glorious results  - common :)
>
> > I suppose this means that I have to get better
> >  are reading C# code, right?
> Please don't do any preliminary work like starting to train yourself in
> coding in C#...
>
> > and this looks like fun!
> ...because you're right - it should be fun.
>
> If you program on VB.NET then running C# unit tests and samples will not
be
> a problem at all I think.
> And I think you'll get good experience in C# "automagically" while we will
> be developing this project, therefore no need to worry about that now...
>
> So, now it's my duty to prepare everything to start this project somewhere
> end of this week.
> Installing bBlog on my ISP hosting is the main task for me now.
> Hopefully it will go smoothly.
> I'm setting deadline to have it running: this Thursday, August 23, 2005,
> evening...
>
> Thank you,
> Shamil
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 7:29 PM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
>
>
> > Shamil,
> >
> > I would be deeply honored to work with you on this ... Especially if any
> > failures are all *your* fault! LOL
> >
> > I suppose this means that I have to get better are reading C# code,
> > right?  <sigh>
> >
> > bBlog looks awesome, and this looks like fun!
> >
> >
> > Charlotte
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Shamil Salakhetdinov [mailto:shamil at users.mns.ru]
> > Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2005 1:34 PM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
> >
> >
> > Hi Gustav,
> >
> > Thank you for your welcoming and support!
> >
> > I have intentions to start approaching and implementing this idea here
> > beginning next week with progress results published as a blog.
> >
> > I decided to codename  this project (and its main object) as
> >
> > "Virtual Data Vault".
> >
> > It sounds generic but nothing more than making MS Access clients working
> > in disconnected mode via ADO.NET with MS Access backends is planned on
> > first steps. I mean first of all MS Access clients using bounds forms
> > with data cached into local mdb tables...
> >
> > I don't have a lot of spare time but I do plan to find at least 20-30
> > minutes per day for this project. To make this project possible and
> > progressing in such small chunks I see the only way to go is to use XP
> > with Unit testing. I hope Charlotte Foust will assist me and will be my
> > peer reviewer becaue she seems to be most interested in this project.
> > How about that opportunity Charlotte? - if you will find 10 minutes per
> > day for this peroject - very fine, if just 10 minutes per week - would
> > be good too! If this project fails or "dies", which may happen of course
> > - this will be all my fault...
> >
> > Most of the programming is planned to be done in C#...
> >
> > For blogging bBlog is currently planned - http://www.bblog.com/ - but
> > still to find out will it be possible to install it here on my ISP
> > hosting....
> >
> > Any other good and simple to install blogging engines/opportunities?
> >
> > Thank you,
> > Shamil
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
> > To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2005 9:53 PM
> > Subject: Svar: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
> >
> >
> > > Hi Shamil
> > >
> > > First, welcome back to AccessD!
> > > Then, I find this a very interesting topic with a lot of perspective.
> > >
> > > /gustav
> > >
> > > >>> shamil at users.mns.ru 18-08-05 1:28 >>>
> > > Hi All,
> > >
> > > I wanted to ask you - what about the subject?
> > > Anybody uses/interested to use MS Access client applications this way?
> > >
> > > Do I miss obvious (RTFM) stuff and such a disconnected mode is already
> >
> > > implemented in MS Access and broadly used by MS Access developers?
> > > Yes, I know ADO recordsets can be used with bound MS Access forms etc.
> >
> > > but this looks like a rather limited feature - am I wrong?
> > >
> > > What I mean is cashing data locally into mdbs, only the data needed
> > > for the currently open form(s) etc., processing this data and then
> > > updating backend
> > > database(mdb, MSDE, MS SQL, whatever...) - with all this cashing and
> > > updating made mostly automatically by a tiny framework code, based on
> > > ADO.NET...(yes, this local caching of data is not a new subject but
> > > nowadays
> > > it can be (re-)implement really scalable way with a way less efforts
> > > than
> > > before)
> > >
> > > Maybe MS plans to do something like that?
> > >
> > > Is that a wheel reinvention or anybody here sees such opportunity like
> >
> > > a really useful feature in their real life projects?
> > >
> > > For me it looks like a useful feature because it could help: to get MS
> >
> > > Access back into mainstream development area because it will allow to
> > > easily scale applications with MS Access front-ends...
> > >
> > > There are many other ideas but most of them in this "ideas pool" based
> >
> > > on the subject one - if it doesn't make sense for real-life projects
> > > then I'd
> > > better stop working on it...
> > >
> > > What is your opinion about the subject?
> > > When you expect MS will do something like that in MS Access?
> > >
> > > Thank you,
> > > Shamil
> > >
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From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com  Mon Aug 22 16:17:01 2005
From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester)
Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 16:17:01 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Table does not open to first record
Message-ID: <F1DD538AE6BCE74EBE562DE51564D322FAC4F6@houexch1.kindermorgan.com>

Doesn't order by just sort the records. Would I not still want an index
on the table for speed of processing and searching? Why does access ask
for a sort order when creating an index if it is not used in data
retrieval? Help me understand. Thanks.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 11:43 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Table does not open to first record

 An index won't guarantee the order in which the rows are returned from 
a table unless it is applied.
otherwise the table will be just like a shuffled deck of cards.
To apply an index use OrderBy  and dbOpenDynaset rather than dbOpenTable
If you don't specify the second parameter in Openrecordset , by default 
Access looks at the table
and uses dbOpenTable, if a local Table or dbOpenDynaSet , if a query or 
linked backend table.

So you would want to apply a  dynamic query to establish indexed order 
like so.
Or you can create your own named query in place of strSQL.

dim strSQL as String
strSQL = "SELECT * FROM [tbl Produced HCPV% One Pattern] OrderBy 
MyDateFieldname",
debug.print strSQL ' just to check you got it right

Set myds = MyDb.OpenRecordset(strSQL, dbOpenDynaset)



Kaup, Chester wrote:

>I use the following code to open a table (myds) which is indexed on the
>date field. When I pull a record in code it gets record 127. I tried a
>movefirst command and the table still starts on record 127. Any ideas
>what is happening appreciated.
>
> 
>
>Dim MyDb As Database, myds As Recordset
>
>Set MyDb = CurrentDb()
>
>Set myds = MyDb.OpenRecordset("tbl Produced HCPV% One Pattern",
>dbOpenTable)
>
> 
>
>myds.MoveFirst
>
>myds1.AddNew
>
>    myds1.Fields(0) = myds.Fields(0)    'Date
>
>    myds1.Fields(1) = myds.Fields(1)    'Pattern name
>
>    myds1.Fields(2) = myds.Fields(2)    'Cum total injection
>
>    myds1.Fields(3) = myds.Fields(3)    'Cum based HCPV%
>
>    myds1.Fields(4) = myds.Fields(4)    'Derivative based HCPV%
>
>myds1.Update
>
> 
>
>Chester Kaup
>
>Engineering Technician
>
>Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP
>
>Office (432) 688-3797
>
>FAX (432) 688-3799
>
> 
>
> 
>
>No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However a large
>number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced.
>
> 
>
>  
>

-- 
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Victoria, B.C.
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From prodevmg at yahoo.com  Mon Aug 22 16:42:46 2005
From: prodevmg at yahoo.com (Lonnie Johnson)
Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 14:42:46 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] VBA to ActiveX
Message-ID: <20050822214246.41640.qmail@web33114.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I have lots of VBA code in an Access datatabase that runs each night to update various tables and values based on certain conditions. Some of it is complicated such as calculating distance based on longitude and latitude and it is why I use VBA.
 
However, I would like to move this processing over to our SQL Server. Would it be easy to convert some of the functions to DTS ActiveX packages? Is this even the way to go? I am looking to increase the performance and figured I could do so by moving it to the SQL Server side.




May God bless you beyond your imagination!
Lonnie Johnson
ProDev, Professional Development of MS Access Databases
Visit me at ==> http://www.prodev.us





 





		
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Mon Aug 22 17:03:01 2005
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 08:03:01 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Table does not open to first record
In-Reply-To: <F1DD538AE6BCE74EBE562DE51564D322FAC4F6@houexch1.kindermorgan.com>
Message-ID: <430AD835.9142.11AB50@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

On 22 Aug 2005 at 16:17, Kaup, Chester wrote:

> Doesn't order by just sort the records. 
Yes

>Would I not still want an index
> on the table for speed of processing and searching? 
Yes.

>Why does access ask
> for a sort order when creating an index if it is not used in data
> retrieval? 

It is. Generally, Access is smart enough to work out what index(es) to use 
when sorting data, as long as you  tell it what order you want it in.

You can have many different indexes on a table in order to retreive data in 
a particular order quickly but until you tell it to do so, Access will not 
know what order you want and will just give you the records one at a time 
in the order they are stored (which can change at any time depnending on 
what you are doing with deletes/inserts/amends  to the data)





-- 
Stuart




From artful at rogers.com  Mon Aug 22 17:52:41 2005
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 18:52:41 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Cannot Compact and Repaid (Access 2003)
Message-ID: <200508222252.j7MMqfR07523@databaseadvisors.com>

I have an app that reports ``Invalid operation` when I attempt to compact
and repair. I already tried creating a new one and importing everything, and
I get the same error on the new one. I can however successfully compile the
app. I am puzzled. There are lots of forms, queries, reports and modules, so
I really do not want to import them one by one to see where the problem
lies. Any other suggestions?

TIA,

Arthur



From dwaters at usinternet.com  Mon Aug 22 18:08:44 2005
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 16:08:44 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Cannot Compact and Repaid (Access 2003)
In-Reply-To: <29946311.1124750563727.JavaMail.root@sniper21>
Message-ID: <000001c5a76e$71f80d10$38018e0a@danwaters>

Arthur,

Import each group of objects separately.  Test after each import.  I'd try
tables first since nothing else compacts.

Then import say, 10 of each object to narrow down to the offending single
object.

HTH,

Dan Waters

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 3:53 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Cannot Compact and Repaid (Access 2003)

I have an app that reports ``Invalid operation` when I attempt to compact
and repair. I already tried creating a new one and importing everything, and
I get the same error on the new one. I can however successfully compile the
app. I am puzzled. There are lots of forms, queries, reports and modules, so
I really do not want to import them one by one to see where the problem
lies. Any other suggestions?

TIA,

Arthur

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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Mon Aug 22 19:44:17 2005
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 17:44:17 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Cannot Compact and Repaid (Access 2003)
References: <200508222252.j7MMqfR07523@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <03cd01c5a77b$cb11bb00$6501a8c0@HAL9004>

Binary search?  Import half the objects into one database, half into 
another. Compact and repair both. See which one fails.  Eventually you'll 
find the culprit?

But I'd try decompile first on the whole mdb.  Then C&R. See if that clears 
up the problem.


Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Arthur Fuller" <artful at rogers.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 3:52 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Cannot Compact and Repaid (Access 2003)


>I have an app that reports ``Invalid operation` when I attempt to compact
> and repair. I already tried creating a new one and importing everything, 
> and
> I get the same error on the new one. I can however successfully compile 
> the
> app. I am puzzled. There are lots of forms, queries, reports and modules, 
> so
> I really do not want to import them one by one to see where the problem
> lies. Any other suggestions?
>
> TIA,
>
> Arthur
>
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From artful at rogers.com  Mon Aug 22 19:47:46 2005
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 20:47:46 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Cannot Compact and Repaid (Access 2003)
In-Reply-To: <000001c5a76e$71f80d10$38018e0a@danwaters>
Message-ID: <200508230047.j7N0ljR02969@databaseadvisors.com>

All the tables are linked, not resident in the FE itself. But I guess that
you are correct, I should import group by group and compact after each.
Bummer!
Arthur

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: August 22, 2005 7:09 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Cannot Compact and Repaid (Access 2003)

Arthur,

Import each group of objects separately.  Test after each import.  I'd try
tables first since nothing else compacts.

Then import say, 10 of each object to narrow down to the offending single
object.

HTH,

Dan Waters



From itsame2000 at sbcglobal.net  Mon Aug 22 23:30:45 2005
From: itsame2000 at sbcglobal.net (Jeremy Toves)
Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 21:30:45 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Filter Problems
Message-ID: <20050823043045.67936.qmail@web81501.mail.yahoo.com>

I have a popup form that lists work orders as a continuous form.  When it comes up, I want it only to list the active work orders.  There is a check box on the popup that I can check to display all.  This check box is meant to toggle back and forth between showing all and just the active work orders.  
 
The check box works, except when the form first comes up, it displays nothing.  How can I have it display the actives without having to rewrite the SQL statement in VBA each time?  I'm thinking there is a quick filter that can be used.  
 
Thanks,
Jeremy
 
 


From artful at rogers.com  Tue Aug 23 00:53:24 2005
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 01:53:24 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Cannot Compact and Repaid (Access 2003)
In-Reply-To: <200508230047.j7N0ljR02969@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <200508230553.j7N5rKR12711@databaseadvisors.com>

Truly weird. I pulled all the objects into a new MDB, 10 at a time,
compacting after each pull. Everything came in and everything compiled, and
the file size went from 31 MB to 5 MB. All is bliss, all is bliss.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: August 22, 2005 8:48 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Cannot Compact and Repaid (Access 2003)

All the tables are linked, not resident in the FE itself. But I guess that
you are correct, I should import group by group and compact after each.
Bummer!
Arthur



From dwaters at usinternet.com  Tue Aug 23 08:26:10 2005
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 06:26:10 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Cannot Compact and Repaid (Access 2003)
In-Reply-To: <33360566.1124776587796.JavaMail.root@sniper18>
Message-ID: <000901c5a7e6$3af182b0$8d05a8c0@danwaters>

It's weird, but not unusual.  :-(

Glad to hear to hear you got it all back!!

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 10:53 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Cannot Compact and Repaid (Access 2003)

Truly weird. I pulled all the objects into a new MDB, 10 at a time,
compacting after each pull. Everything came in and everything compiled, and
the file size went from 31 MB to 5 MB. All is bliss, all is bliss.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: August 22, 2005 8:48 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Cannot Compact and Repaid (Access 2003)

All the tables are linked, not resident in the FE itself. But I guess that
you are correct, I should import group by group and compact after each.
Bummer!
Arthur

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Aug 23 08:42:35 2005
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 09:42:35 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Filter Problems
In-Reply-To: <20050823043045.67936.qmail@web81501.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <002701c5a7e8$87da7760$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

Open the form with the checkbox set to a default value, then in OnOpen
requery the form - me.requery.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy Toves
Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 12:31 AM
To: Access Developers
Subject: [AccessD] Filter Problems


I have a popup form that lists work orders as a continuous form.  When it
comes up, I want it only to list the active work orders.  There is a check
box on the popup that I can check to display all.  This check box is meant
to toggle back and forth between showing all and just the active work
orders.  
 
The check box works, except when the form first comes up, it displays
nothing.  How can I have it display the actives without having to rewrite
the SQL statement in VBA each time?  I'm thinking there is a quick filter
that can be used.  
 
Thanks,
Jeremy
 
 
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From itsame2000 at sbcglobal.net  Tue Aug 23 08:48:42 2005
From: itsame2000 at sbcglobal.net (Jeremy Toves)
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 06:48:42 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Filter Problems
In-Reply-To: <002701c5a7e8$87da7760$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <20050823134842.54268.qmail@web81502.mail.yahoo.com>

Thanks!  That sounds like an easy solution.  I will try that tonight. 

Jeremy

"John W. Colby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
Open the form with the checkbox set to a default value, then in OnOpen
requery the form - me.requery.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy Toves
Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 12:31 AM
To: Access Developers
Subject: [AccessD] Filter Problems


I have a popup form that lists work orders as a continuous form. When it
comes up, I want it only to list the active work orders. There is a check
box on the popup that I can check to display all. This check box is meant
to toggle back and forth between showing all and just the active work
orders. 

The check box works, except when the form first comes up, it displays
nothing. How can I have it display the actives without having to rewrite
the SQL statement in VBA each time? I'm thinking there is a quick filter
that can be used. 

Thanks,
Jeremy


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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Aug 23 09:02:23 2005
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 10:02:23 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Filter Problems
In-Reply-To: <20050823134842.54268.qmail@web81502.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <002901c5a7eb$4bdff9d0$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

The other way to do this is to open the form with no recordset, or with a
recordset (SQL Statement) with a where clause that pulls no records -
perhaps with a WHERE WorkOrder = "Nonsense" or something like that.  This
causes the form to open with no records.  Then in OnOpen just place the name
of a saved query into the form's RecordSource.  Doing that will cause the
form to requery, displaying the records that match the checkbox.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy Toves
Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 9:49 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Filter Problems


Thanks!  That sounds like an easy solution.  I will try that tonight. 

Jeremy

"John W. Colby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
Open the form with the checkbox set to a default value, then in OnOpen
requery the form - me.requery.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy Toves
Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 12:31 AM
To: Access Developers
Subject: [AccessD] Filter Problems


I have a popup form that lists work orders as a continuous form. When it
comes up, I want it only to list the active work orders. There is a check
box on the popup that I can check to display all. This check box is meant to
toggle back and forth between showing all and just the active work orders. 

The check box works, except when the form first comes up, it displays
nothing. How can I have it display the actives without having to rewrite the
SQL statement in VBA each time? I'm thinking there is a quick filter that
can be used. 

Thanks,
Jeremy


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From itsame2000 at sbcglobal.net  Tue Aug 23 09:07:46 2005
From: itsame2000 at sbcglobal.net (Jeremy Toves)
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 07:07:46 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Filter Problems
In-Reply-To: <002901c5a7eb$4bdff9d0$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <20050823140746.25506.qmail@web81507.mail.yahoo.com>

Thanks again.  The first solution seems more simple.  If it has problems, then I will try this one.  

Jeremy

 

"John W. Colby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
The other way to do this is to open the form with no recordset, or with a
recordset (SQL Statement) with a where clause that pulls no records -
perhaps with a WHERE WorkOrder = "Nonsense" or something like that. This
causes the form to open with no records. Then in OnOpen just place the name
of a saved query into the form's RecordSource. Doing that will cause the
form to requery, displaying the records that match the checkbox.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy Toves
Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 9:49 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Filter Problems


Thanks! That sounds like an easy solution. I will try that tonight. 

Jeremy

"John W. Colby" wrote:
Open the form with the checkbox set to a default value, then in OnOpen
requery the form - me.requery.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy Toves
Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 12:31 AM
To: Access Developers
Subject: [AccessD] Filter Problems


I have a popup form that lists work orders as a continuous form. When it
comes up, I want it only to list the active work orders. There is a check
box on the popup that I can check to display all. This check box is meant to
toggle back and forth between showing all and just the active work orders. 

The check box works, except when the form first comes up, it displays
nothing. How can I have it display the actives without having to rewrite the
SQL statement in VBA each time? I'm thinking there is a quick filter that
can be used. 

Thanks,
Jeremy


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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Aug 23 09:15:30 2005
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 10:15:30 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Filter Problems
In-Reply-To: <20050823140746.25506.qmail@web81507.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <002a01c5a7ed$1e59da60$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

LOL, that is true.  The first solution pulls all the records twice.  If the
form is simple and only pulls a handful of records this won't be an issue.
If the form were to pull a large complex recordset it could cause a lot of
network traffic and take a long time to open, then a long time to requery.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy Toves
Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 10:08 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Filter Problems


Thanks again.  The first solution seems more simple.  If it has problems,
then I will try this one.  

Jeremy

 

"John W. Colby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
The other way to do this is to open the form with no recordset, or with a
recordset (SQL Statement) with a where clause that pulls no records -
perhaps with a WHERE WorkOrder = "Nonsense" or something like that. This
causes the form to open with no records. Then in OnOpen just place the name
of a saved query into the form's RecordSource. Doing that will cause the
form to requery, displaying the records that match the checkbox.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy Toves
Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 9:49 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Filter Problems


Thanks! That sounds like an easy solution. I will try that tonight. 

Jeremy

"John W. Colby" wrote:
Open the form with the checkbox set to a default value, then in OnOpen
requery the form - me.requery.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy Toves
Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 12:31 AM
To: Access Developers
Subject: [AccessD] Filter Problems


I have a popup form that lists work orders as a continuous form. When it
comes up, I want it only to list the active work orders. There is a check
box on the popup that I can check to display all. This check box is meant to
toggle back and forth between showing all and just the active work orders. 

The check box works, except when the form first comes up, it displays
nothing. How can I have it display the actives without having to rewrite the
SQL statement in VBA each time? I'm thinking there is a quick filter that
can be used. 

Thanks,
Jeremy


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From shamil at users.mns.ru  Tue Aug 23 10:27:30 2005
From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 19:27:30 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86873BE0@infoserver01.infostat.local>
	<004c01c5a741$49098280$6501a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru>
Message-ID: <002001c5a7f7$3c8ecf40$6501a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru>

> I'm setting deadline to have it running: this Thursday, August 23, 2005,
> evening...
bBlog is installed today two days before planned schedule -
http://smsconsulting.spb.ru/vdv/

You're welcome to visit it to see it's working and to post your comments!
But nothing there yet - just the first welcome message.
First posting is planned on this Friday.
Till then I will play a little with bBlog to see how it can be tuned to make
the blog more feature-rich..

Shamil

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil at users.mns.ru>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 9:26 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..


> > I would be deeply honored to work with you on this ...
> Thank you, Charlotte, for your confirmation that you're interested to work
> in this project!
>
> > Especially if any failures are all *your* fault! LOL
> Yes, all the failures will be mine if you don't mind.
> Glorious results  - common :)
>
> > I suppose this means that I have to get better
> >  are reading C# code, right?
> Please don't do any preliminary work like starting to train yourself in
> coding in C#...
>
> > and this looks like fun!
> ...because you're right - it should be fun.
>
> If you program on VB.NET then running C# unit tests and samples will not
be
> a problem at all I think.
> And I think you'll get good experience in C# "automagically" while we will
> be developing this project, therefore no need to worry about that now...
>
> So, now it's my duty to prepare everything to start this project somewhere
> end of this week.
> Installing bBlog on my ISP hosting is the main task for me now.
> Hopefully it will go smoothly.
> I'm setting deadline to have it running: this Thursday, August 23, 2005,
> evening...
>
> Thank you,
> Shamil
>

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From bheid at appdevgrp.com  Tue Aug 23 12:47:22 2005
From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid)
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 13:47:22 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Weird VSS issue - again.  X-posted to Access-L.
Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30ABEE9B@ADGSERVER>

Hey all,

We have a fairly large FE with hundreds of queries in it (Acc XP).  There is
this one set of queries that use a pretty complex sub-query.  By complex, I
mean that there are a lot of joins and criteria in it.

Whomever did the original design then self-joined the sub-query 5 times.
This is to handle the tiering of the data.

Any way, after building from source in VSS, this one query would sometimes
be blank.  We finally tracked down how to prevent it from happening.  We had
to view the query in SQL view and then save it.

Well, we just had to add another tier to some other queries (which are like
the ones above) and the same thing happened upon building from source.  I
believe it has something to do with the complexity of the queries.

Does anyone know what might be going on and what we can do to stop it from
happening?  It's becoming a real PIA.

Thanks,
Bobby



From Gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Aug 23 13:18:55 2005
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 20:18:55 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Weird VSS issue - again.  X-posted to Access-L.
Message-ID: <s30b84c5.038@cactus.dk>

Hi Bobby

I don't use VSS, but could it be that some of the field names of the
subqueries are not known at design time?
This may happen if one or more of these are crosstab queries, and it
will cause troubles if you cannot specify (hardcode) the output columns
or have not done so.

/gustav

>>> bheid at appdevgrp.com 08/23 7:47 pm >>>
Hey all,

We have a fairly large FE with hundreds of queries in it (Acc XP). 
There is this one set of queries that use a pretty complex sub-query. 
By complex, I mean that there are a lot of joins and criteria in it.

Whomever did the original design then self-joined the sub-query 5
times. This is to handle the tiering of the data.

Any way, after building from source in VSS, this one query would
sometimes be blank.  We finally tracked down how to prevent it from
happening.  We had to view the query in SQL view and then save it.

Well, we just had to add another tier to some other queries (which are
like the ones above) and the same thing happened upon building from
source.  I believe it has something to do with the complexity of the
queries.

Does anyone know what might be going on and what we can do to stop it
from happening?  It's becoming a real PIA.

Thanks,
Bobby



From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue Aug 23 13:34:18 2005
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 11:34:18 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Weird VSS issue - again.  X-posted to Access-L.
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86873BE8@infoserver01.infostat.local>

I've never seen anything like this as an artifact of VSS, but are you
using in-line subqueries?  I have seen weirdness occur when you view
that query in design view and then save it because the query engine
insists on changing the punctuation around the subquery to something
that breaks later on.

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Bobby Heid [mailto:bheid at appdevgrp.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 10:47 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Weird VSS issue - again. X-posted to Access-L.


Hey all,

We have a fairly large FE with hundreds of queries in it (Acc XP).
There is this one set of queries that use a pretty complex sub-query.
By complex, I mean that there are a lot of joins and criteria in it.

Whomever did the original design then self-joined the sub-query 5 times.
This is to handle the tiering of the data.

Any way, after building from source in VSS, this one query would
sometimes be blank.  We finally tracked down how to prevent it from
happening.  We had to view the query in SQL view and then save it.

Well, we just had to add another tier to some other queries (which are
like the ones above) and the same thing happened upon building from
source.  I believe it has something to do with the complexity of the
queries.

Does anyone know what might be going on and what we can do to stop it
from happening?  It's becoming a real PIA.

Thanks,
Bobby

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From bheid at appdevgrp.com  Tue Aug 23 13:42:49 2005
From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid)
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 14:42:49 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Weird VSS issue - again.  X-posted to Access-L.
In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30C6DAE9@ADGSERVER>
Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30ABEE9F@ADGSERVER>

Hey Gustav,

At the time of creation/editing/saving all of the field names are known.
These are not cross-tab queries.

The weird thing is that it works ok most of the time.  And when it does mess
up, it messes up for all of the seven queries (that are usually affected)
that have been edited (at least the 7 queries that it now affects).  All of
the other queries are fine.

Bobby

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 2:19 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Weird VSS issue - again. X-posted to Access-L.


Hi Bobby

I don't use VSS, but could it be that some of the field names of the
subqueries are not known at design time?
This may happen if one or more of these are crosstab queries, and it
will cause troubles if you cannot specify (hardcode) the output columns
or have not done so.

/gustav

>>> bheid at appdevgrp.com 08/23 7:47 pm >>>
Hey all,

We have a fairly large FE with hundreds of queries in it (Acc XP). 
There is this one set of queries that use a pretty complex sub-query. 
By complex, I mean that there are a lot of joins and criteria in it.

Whomever did the original design then self-joined the sub-query 5
times. This is to handle the tiering of the data.

Any way, after building from source in VSS, this one query would
sometimes be blank.  We finally tracked down how to prevent it from
happening.  We had to view the query in SQL view and then save it.

Well, we just had to add another tier to some other queries (which are
like the ones above) and the same thing happened upon building from
source.  I believe it has something to do with the complexity of the
queries.

Does anyone know what might be going on and what we can do to stop it
from happening?  It's becoming a real PIA.

Thanks,
Bobby



From bheid at appdevgrp.com  Tue Aug 23 13:44:04 2005
From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid)
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 14:44:04 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Weird VSS issue - again.  X-posted to Access-L.
In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30C6DAF5@ADGSERVER>
Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30ABEEA0@ADGSERVER>

Hey Charlotte,

No, no inline queries.  We create the sub queries as a separate query.  But
I do think it has to do with the complexity of the queries.

Thanks,
Bobby

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 2:34 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Weird VSS issue - again. X-posted to Access-L.


I've never seen anything like this as an artifact of VSS, but are you
using in-line subqueries?  I have seen weirdness occur when you view
that query in design view and then save it because the query engine
insists on changing the punctuation around the subquery to something
that breaks later on.

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Bobby Heid [mailto:bheid at appdevgrp.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 10:47 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Weird VSS issue - again. X-posted to Access-L.


Hey all,

We have a fairly large FE with hundreds of queries in it (Acc XP).
There is this one set of queries that use a pretty complex sub-query.
By complex, I mean that there are a lot of joins and criteria in it.

Whomever did the original design then self-joined the sub-query 5 times.
This is to handle the tiering of the data.

Any way, after building from source in VSS, this one query would
sometimes be blank.  We finally tracked down how to prevent it from
happening.  We had to view the query in SQL view and then save it.

Well, we just had to add another tier to some other queries (which are
like the ones above) and the same thing happened upon building from
source.  I believe it has something to do with the complexity of the
queries.

Does anyone know what might be going on and what we can do to stop it
from happening?  It's becoming a real PIA.

Thanks,
Bobby



From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Tue Aug 23 14:29:42 2005
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 12:29:42 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Weird VSS issue - again.  X-posted to Access-L.
References: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30ABEE9B@ADGSERVER>
Message-ID: <430B7926.6070706@shaw.ca>

I don't know if this will help but you can compile and decompile queries.
http://www.trigeminal.com/lang/1033/codes.asp?ItemID=15#15

Bobby Heid wrote:

>Hey all,
>
>We have a fairly large FE with hundreds of queries in it (Acc XP).  There is
>this one set of queries that use a pretty complex sub-query.  By complex, I
>mean that there are a lot of joins and criteria in it.
>
>Whomever did the original design then self-joined the sub-query 5 times.
>This is to handle the tiering of the data.
>
>Any way, after building from source in VSS, this one query would sometimes
>be blank.  We finally tracked down how to prevent it from happening.  We had
>to view the query in SQL view and then save it.
>
>Well, we just had to add another tier to some other queries (which are like
>the ones above) and the same thing happened upon building from source.  I
>believe it has something to do with the complexity of the queries.
>
>Does anyone know what might be going on and what we can do to stop it from
>happening?  It's becoming a real PIA.
>
>Thanks,
>Bobby
>
>  
>

-- 
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada





From itsame2000 at sbcglobal.net  Tue Aug 23 20:46:33 2005
From: itsame2000 at sbcglobal.net (Jeremy Toves)
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 18:46:33 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Filter Problems
In-Reply-To: <002701c5a7e8$87da7760$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <20050824014633.7815.qmail@web81504.mail.yahoo.com>

John,

This worked perfectly.  There isn't much data.  I'm just tracking work orders.  There is no noticeable degradation in speed.

Thanks,
Jeremy
 


"John W. Colby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
Open the form with the checkbox set to a default value, then in OnOpen
requery the form - me.requery.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy Toves
Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 12:31 AM
To: Access Developers
Subject: [AccessD] Filter Problems


I have a popup form that lists work orders as a continuous form. When it
comes up, I want it only to list the active work orders. There is a check
box on the popup that I can check to display all. This check box is meant
to toggle back and forth between showing all and just the active work
orders. 

The check box works, except when the form first comes up, it displays
nothing. How can I have it display the actives without having to rewrite
the SQL statement in VBA each time? I'm thinking there is a quick filter
that can be used. 

Thanks,
Jeremy


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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Aug 23 20:53:06 2005
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 21:53:06 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Filter Problems
In-Reply-To: <20050824014633.7815.qmail@web81504.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <003e01c5a84e$95669290$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

Yea, go.  Glad I could help.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/

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Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 9:47 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Filter Problems


John,

This worked perfectly.  There isn't much data.  I'm just tracking work
orders.  There is no noticeable degradation in speed.

Thanks,
Jeremy
 


"John W. Colby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
Open the form with the checkbox set to a default value, then in OnOpen
requery the form - me.requery.

John W. Colby
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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy Toves
Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 12:31 AM
To: Access Developers
Subject: [AccessD] Filter Problems


I have a popup form that lists work orders as a continuous form. When it
comes up, I want it only to list the active work orders. There is a check
box on the popup that I can check to display all. This check box is meant to
toggle back and forth between showing all and just the active work orders. 

The check box works, except when the form first comes up, it displays
nothing. How can I have it display the actives without having to rewrite the
SQL statement in VBA each time? I'm thinking there is a quick filter that
can be used. 

Thanks,
Jeremy


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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Aug 24 04:08:09 2005
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 11:08:09 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] the dreaded n-recursive parts explosion (BOM)
	query...again
Message-ID: <s30c552b.040@cactus.dk>

Hi Bruce and Marty

A recent article from MySQL covers this topic:

  http://dev.mysql.com/tech-resources/articles/hierarchical-data.html 

Still, I'm not sure these nested sets are pure happiness - on average
you have to update 50% of all records when inserting or deleting a
record.

/gustav

>>> martyconnelly at shaw.ca 07/20 1:49 am >>>
Do you mean the nested set solution from Joe Celko
It is further written up in his book "SQL for Smarties"
http://www.mvps.org/access/queries/qry0023.htm 
or this one
http://www.mvps.org/access/modules/mdl0027.htm 

Bruen, Bruce wrote:

>Hi folks,
> 
>I thought I had got over this one years ago and can't find the SQL
query
>template someone (Lembit???) here kindly supplied last time.  
> 
>But it has come back to get me again, so....
> 
>Does someone have a "template" query to return all the parts in an
>n-level parts explosion, preferably in binary-tree pre-order order.
>* all components, subcomponents and parts are held in the same table,

>* it is a one way tree - i.e. parts that are used in multiple
assemblies
>appear multiple times in the table (i.e.i.e. the pkey for the tree
table
>is not the SKU)
> 
> 
>tia
>bruce
>
>  
>

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From paul.hartland at fsmail.net  Wed Aug 24 05:32:25 2005
From: paul.hartland at fsmail.net (paul.hartland at fsmail.net)
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 12:32:25 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [AccessD] Detecting CD Drive Letter
Message-ID: <30292505.1124879545237.JavaMail.www@wwinf3101>

To all,
Is there a way of detecting via VBA or VB code the drive letter of the CD on a PC ?
Thanks in advance for any help on this
Paul Hartland
Database Developer

From tom.bolton at donnslaw.co.uk  Wed Aug 24 05:44:57 2005
From: tom.bolton at donnslaw.co.uk (Tom Bolton)
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 11:44:57 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Detecting CD Drive Letter
Message-ID: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C831880802A318@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>

There is - there's an API to do it.  Not done this for a long while now, but
I remember using a huge VB app with a database that lived on the CD; a bit
like a rudimentary CD key.  Anyhoo:

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;291575

This'll give you all the info.

HTH
Tom



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Sent: 24-Aug-2005 11:32
To: accessd
Subject: [AccessD] Detecting CD Drive Letter

To all,
Is there a way of detecting via VBA or VB code the drive letter of the CD on
a PC ?
Thanks in advance for any help on this
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From paul.hartland at isharp.co.uk  Wed Aug 24 05:50:44 2005
From: paul.hartland at isharp.co.uk (Paul Hartland (ISHARP))
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 11:50:44 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Detecting CD Drive Letter
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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tom Bolton
Sent: 24 August 2005 11:45
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Detecting CD Drive Letter

There is - there's an API to do it.  Not done this for a long while now, but
I remember using a huge VB app with a database that lived on the CD; a bit
like a rudimentary CD key.  Anyhoo:

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;291575

This'll give you all the info.

HTH
Tom



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Sent: 24-Aug-2005 11:32
To: accessd
Subject: [AccessD] Detecting CD Drive Letter

To all,
Is there a way of detecting via VBA or VB code the drive letter of the CD on
a PC ?
Thanks in advance for any help on this
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From roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk  Wed Aug 24 05:53:05 2005
From: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk (Roz Clarke)
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 11:53:05 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Change of circumstances
Message-ID: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C8318807225F0D@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>

Dear all

Like so many access-d members before me, I will shortly be giving up my day
job and looking for freelance work. The trouble is I don't want to work 24/7
- I am starting a masters degree this autumn, and writing a novel. But it
would be nice to keep my hand in with a bit of analysis &/or development
work, and of course the money would not go amiss.

Does anyone have any suggestions as to how I could do this?

I have 10 years experience with Access but I'm no guru, as you know. I've
extended into other Office apps a good deal, including Outlook. I have some
SQL dev skills and a smattering of SQL DBA knowledge. I'm getting into
ASP.NET. I'm a good analyst and I think I'm a decent team leader, (whatever
Tom says). My real strength is project management.

I'd like to work 2 days a week, but I appreciate that freelance work never
respects that kind of wish. :)

Any advice would be much appreciated

TIA

Roz
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From Johncliviger at aol.com  Wed Aug 24 06:23:40 2005
From: Johncliviger at aol.com (Johncliviger at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 07:23:40 EDT
Subject: [AccessD] Change of circumstances
Message-ID: <1e9.42c472d8.303db2bc@aol.com>

Roz
 
I think your are in the Manchester, England area, if I'm right email me a  cv 
at _databaseuk at aol.com_ (mailto:databaseuk at aol.com) 
 
John


From paul.hartland at isharp.co.uk  Wed Aug 24 06:34:20 2005
From: paul.hartland at isharp.co.uk (Paul Hartland (ISHARP))
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 12:34:20 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Change of circumstances
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John,

Forgive me for getting involved in this conversation, I am currently full
time employed but will shortly be looking to do some freelance work outside
hours...If you think I could be for anything, email me at
paul.hartland at fsmail.net and I will send my CV in reply.

Paul Hartland
 

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Sent: 24 August 2005 12:24
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Change of circumstances

Roz
 
I think your are in the Manchester, England area, if I'm right email me a
cv at _databaseuk at aol.com_ (mailto:databaseuk at aol.com) 
 
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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Wed Aug 24 06:53:04 2005
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 12:53:04 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Change of circumstances
Message-ID: <20050824115301.A9E7624EEF6@smtp.nildram.co.uk>

Hi Roz
Don't have anything practical to add (you spotted the obvious one about
freelance work not readily fitting round personal timetables) but just
wanted to say good luck. What's the Masters in, and more intriguingly what's
the novel? Is it your first? Do you have a publisher? etc etc When can we
look to see Roz Clarke in Waterstones?

And I hope you'll be sticking around AccessD.

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To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
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Subject: [AccessD] Change of circumstances
Date: 24/08/05 10:52

Dear all

Like so many access-d members before me, I will shortly be giving up my day
job and looking for freelance work. The trouble is I don't want to work 24/7
- I am starting a masters degree this autumn, and writing a novel. But it
would be nice to keep my hand in with a bit of analysis &/or development
work, and of course the money would not go amiss.

Does anyone have any suggestions as to how I could do this?

I have 10 years experience with Access but I'm no guru, as you know. I've
extended into other Office apps a good deal, including Outlook. I have some
SQL dev skills and a smattering of SQL DBA knowledge. I'm getting into
ASP.NET. I'm a good analyst and I think I'm a decent team leader, (whatever
Tom says). My real strength is project management.

I'd like to work 2 days a week, but I appreciate that freelance work never
respects that kind of wish. :)

Any advice would be much appreciated

TIA

Roz







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From tom.bolton at donnslaw.co.uk  Wed Aug 24 07:01:08 2005
From: tom.bolton at donnslaw.co.uk (Tom Bolton)
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 13:01:08 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Change of circumstances
Message-ID: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C831880802A319@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>

"A Query Too Far" - Clarke, R.




*hides under desk*




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From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk] 
Sent: 24-Aug-2005 12:53
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Change of circumstances

Hi Roz
Don't have anything practical to add (you spotted the obvious one about
freelance work not readily fitting round personal timetables) but just
wanted to say good luck. What's the Masters in, and more intriguingly what's
the novel? Is it your first? Do you have a publisher? etc etc When can we
look to see Roz Clarke in Waterstones?

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From roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk  Wed Aug 24 07:13:34 2005
From: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk (Roz Clarke)
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 13:13:34 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Change of circumstances
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Well remembered John, I will do

:)

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Roz
 
I think your are in the Manchester, England area, if I'm right email me a
cv 
at _databaseuk at aol.com_ (mailto:databaseuk at aol.com) 
 
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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Wed Aug 24 07:13:11 2005
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 13:13:11 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Change of circumstances
Message-ID: <20050824121308.CA27124F43D@smtp.nildram.co.uk>

ROTFL

Oh God I'm really really tempted now, but it'll start something and as a
responsible moderator I'd have to tell myself to shut up. Darn.

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To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
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Subject: RE: [AccessD] Change of circumstances
Date: 24/08/05 12:00

"A Query Too Far" - Clarke, R.




*hides under desk*




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From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk]
Sent: 24-Aug-2005 12:53
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Change of circumstances

Hi Roz
Don't have anything practical to add (you spotted the obvious one about
freelance work not readily fitting round personal timetables) but just
wanted to say good luck. What's the Masters in, and more intriguingly what's
the novel? Is it your first? Do you have a publisher? etc etc When can we
look to see Roz Clarke in Waterstones?

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From roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk  Wed Aug 24 07:19:46 2005
From: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk (Roz Clarke)
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 13:19:46 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Change of circumstances
Message-ID: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C8318807225F13@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>

Hiya

Thank you for the good wishes. The masters is in Creative Writing and the
novel is one I started several years ago but have never found the time to
finish, it's about erm... I guess it's about the nobility of truth versus
the attractions of artifice. It's a very silly book really but I'm enjoying
working on it. No publisher yet; I need a second draft before I share with
anyone.

I will certainly stick around - can't imagine life without y'all - though I
might have to go to digest mode and resign my modship :(

Roz



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From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk] 
Sent: 24 August 2005 12:53
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Change of circumstances


Hi Roz
Don't have anything practical to add (you spotted the obvious one about
freelance work not readily fitting round personal timetables) but just
wanted to say good luck. What's the Masters in, and more intriguingly what's
the novel? Is it your first? Do you have a publisher? etc etc When can we
look to see Roz Clarke in Waterstones?

And I hope you'll be sticking around AccessD.

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From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: [AccessD] Change of circumstances
Date: 24/08/05 10:52

Dear all

Like so many access-d members before me, I will shortly be giving up my day
job and looking for freelance work. The trouble is I don't want to work 24/7
- I am starting a masters degree this autumn, and writing a novel. But it
would be nice to keep my hand in with a bit of analysis &/or development
work, and of course the money would not go amiss.

Does anyone have any suggestions as to how I could do this?

I have 10 years experience with Access but I'm no guru, as you know. I've
extended into other Office apps a good deal, including Outlook. I have some
SQL dev skills and a smattering of SQL DBA knowledge. I'm getting into
ASP.NET. I'm a good analyst and I think I'm a decent team leader, (whatever
Tom says). My real strength is project management.

I'd like to work 2 days a week, but I appreciate that freelance work never
respects that kind of wish. :)

Any advice would be much appreciated

TIA

Roz







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From roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk  Wed Aug 24 07:21:00 2005
From: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk (Roz Clarke)
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 13:21:00 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Change of circumstances
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LMFAO

We can revisit the subject on Friday...

-----Original Message-----
From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk] 
Sent: 24 August 2005 13:13
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Change of circumstances


ROTFL

Oh God I'm really really tempted now, but it'll start something and as a
responsible moderator I'd have to tell myself to shut up. Darn.

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To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
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Subject: RE: [AccessD] Change of circumstances
Date: 24/08/05 12:00

"A Query Too Far" - Clarke, R.




*hides under desk*




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Sent: 24-Aug-2005 12:53
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Change of circumstances

Hi Roz
Don't have anything practical to add (you spotted the obvious one about
freelance work not readily fitting round personal timetables) but just
wanted to say good luck. What's the Masters in, and more intriguingly what's
the novel? Is it your first? Do you have a publisher? etc etc When can we
look to see Roz Clarke in Waterstones?

And I hope you'll be sticking around AccessD.

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Aug 24 07:28:35 2005
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 08:28:35 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Change of circumstances
In-Reply-To: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C8318807225F13@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>
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What, no Roz tickling my back with her cat-0-nine?  Where will I get my
titillation?

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-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Roz Clarke
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 8:20 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Change of circumstances


Hiya

Thank you for the good wishes. The masters is in Creative Writing and the
novel is one I started several years ago but have never found the time to
finish, it's about erm... I guess it's about the nobility of truth versus
the attractions of artifice. It's a very silly book really but I'm enjoying
working on it. No publisher yet; I need a second draft before I share with
anyone.

I will certainly stick around - can't imagine life without y'all - though I
might have to go to digest mode and resign my modship :(

Roz



-----Original Message-----
From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk] 
Sent: 24 August 2005 12:53
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Change of circumstances


Hi Roz
Don't have anything practical to add (you spotted the obvious one about
freelance work not readily fitting round personal timetables) but just
wanted to say good luck. What's the Masters in, and more intriguingly what's
the novel? Is it your first? Do you have a publisher? etc etc When can we
look to see Roz Clarke in Waterstones?

And I hope you'll be sticking around AccessD.

--
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http://www.minstersystems.co.uk


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<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: [AccessD] Change of circumstances
Date: 24/08/05 10:52

Dear all

Like so many access-d members before me, I will shortly be giving up my day
job and looking for freelance work. The trouble is I don't want to work 24/7
- I am starting a masters degree this autumn, and writing a novel. But it
would be nice to keep my hand in with a bit of analysis &/or development
work, and of course the money would not go amiss.

Does anyone have any suggestions as to how I could do this?

I have 10 years experience with Access but I'm no guru, as you know. I've
extended into other Office apps a good deal, including Outlook. I have some
SQL dev skills and a smattering of SQL DBA knowledge. I'm getting into
ASP.NET. I'm a good analyst and I think I'm a decent team leader, (whatever
Tom says). My real strength is project management.

I'd like to work 2 days a week, but I appreciate that freelance work never
respects that kind of wish. :)

Any advice would be much appreciated

TIA

Roz







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From roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk  Wed Aug 24 07:42:30 2005
From: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk (Roz Clarke)
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 13:42:30 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Change of circumstances
Message-ID: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C8318807225F17@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>

Well maybe I could rejoin the BOD, heheh.

I don't finish here until 14th October though, so for now... That's *quite*
enough from you Mr. Colby, this thread is getting dangerously off-topic!
Back to your reusable code, forthwith!

-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: 24 August 2005 13:29
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Change of circumstances


What, no Roz tickling my back with her cat-0-nine?  Where will I get my
titillation?

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Roz Clarke
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 8:20 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Change of circumstances


Hiya

Thank you for the good wishes. The masters is in Creative Writing and the
novel is one I started several years ago but have never found the time to
finish, it's about erm... I guess it's about the nobility of truth versus
the attractions of artifice. It's a very silly book really but I'm enjoying
working on it. No publisher yet; I need a second draft before I share with
anyone.

I will certainly stick around - can't imagine life without y'all - though I
might have to go to digest mode and resign my modship :(

Roz



-----Original Message-----
From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk] 
Sent: 24 August 2005 12:53
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Change of circumstances


Hi Roz
Don't have anything practical to add (you spotted the obvious one about
freelance work not readily fitting round personal timetables) but just
wanted to say good luck. What's the Masters in, and more intriguingly what's
the novel? Is it your first? Do you have a publisher? etc etc When can we
look to see Roz Clarke in Waterstones?

And I hope you'll be sticking around AccessD.

--
Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk


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From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: [AccessD] Change of circumstances
Date: 24/08/05 10:52

Dear all

Like so many access-d members before me, I will shortly be giving up my day
job and looking for freelance work. The trouble is I don't want to work 24/7
- I am starting a masters degree this autumn, and writing a novel. But it
would be nice to keep my hand in with a bit of analysis &/or development
work, and of course the money would not go amiss.

Does anyone have any suggestions as to how I could do this?

I have 10 years experience with Access but I'm no guru, as you know. I've
extended into other Office apps a good deal, including Outlook. I have some
SQL dev skills and a smattering of SQL DBA knowledge. I'm getting into
ASP.NET. I'm a good analyst and I think I'm a decent team leader, (whatever
Tom says). My real strength is project management.

I'd like to work 2 days a week, but I appreciate that freelance work never
respects that kind of wish. :)

Any advice would be much appreciated

TIA

Roz







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From roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk  Wed Aug 24 07:50:31 2005
From: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk (Roz Clarke)
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 13:50:31 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] test
Message-ID: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C8318807225F18@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>

testing - not seeing my own mails to the list today
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Aug 24 07:49:37 2005
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 08:49:37 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Change of circumstances
In-Reply-To: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C8318807225F17@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>
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Ahhhhhh.... That velvet touch I do so love...  ;-)

And good luck in your future endeavors, although to be quite honest, the
book subject matter does not sound like it will make you the next female
billionaire to come out of England.  Or perhaps you just need good
marketing.

Anyway, don't be a stranger.

John W. Colby
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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Roz Clarke
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 8:43 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Change of circumstances


Well maybe I could rejoin the BOD, heheh.

I don't finish here until 14th October though, so for now... That's *quite*
enough from you Mr. Colby, this thread is getting dangerously off-topic!
Back to your reusable code, forthwith!

-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: 24 August 2005 13:29
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Change of circumstances


What, no Roz tickling my back with her cat-0-nine?  Where will I get my
titillation?

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Roz Clarke
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 8:20 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Change of circumstances


Hiya

Thank you for the good wishes. The masters is in Creative Writing and the
novel is one I started several years ago but have never found the time to
finish, it's about erm... I guess it's about the nobility of truth versus
the attractions of artifice. It's a very silly book really but I'm enjoying
working on it. No publisher yet; I need a second draft before I share with
anyone.

I will certainly stick around - can't imagine life without y'all - though I
might have to go to digest mode and resign my modship :(

Roz



-----Original Message-----
From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk] 
Sent: 24 August 2005 12:53
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Change of circumstances


Hi Roz
Don't have anything practical to add (you spotted the obvious one about
freelance work not readily fitting round personal timetables) but just
wanted to say good luck. What's the Masters in, and more intriguingly what's
the novel? Is it your first? Do you have a publisher? etc etc When can we
look to see Roz Clarke in Waterstones?

And I hope you'll be sticking around AccessD.

--
Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk


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From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: [AccessD] Change of circumstances
Date: 24/08/05 10:52

Dear all

Like so many access-d members before me, I will shortly be giving up my day
job and looking for freelance work. The trouble is I don't want to work 24/7
- I am starting a masters degree this autumn, and writing a novel. But it
would be nice to keep my hand in with a bit of analysis &/or development
work, and of course the money would not go amiss.

Does anyone have any suggestions as to how I could do this?

I have 10 years experience with Access but I'm no guru, as you know. I've
extended into other Office apps a good deal, including Outlook. I have some
SQL dev skills and a smattering of SQL DBA knowledge. I'm getting into
ASP.NET. I'm a good analyst and I think I'm a decent team leader, (whatever
Tom says). My real strength is project management.

I'd like to work 2 days a week, but I appreciate that freelance work never
respects that kind of wish. :)

Any advice would be much appreciated

TIA

Roz







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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Wed Aug 24 07:57:20 2005
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 13:57:20 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Change of circumstances
Message-ID: <20050824125717.54AE52A3686@smtp.nildram.co.uk>

Not exactly airport pulp fiction then eh? Ok, other discussions and
suggested titles on hold til Friday.

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From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Change of circumstances
Date: 24/08/05 12:19

Hiya

Thank you for the good wishes. The masters is in Creative Writing and the
novel is one I started several years ago but have never found the time to
finish, it's about erm... I guess it's about the nobility of truth versus
the attractions of artifice. It's a very silly book really but I'm enjoying
working on it. No publisher yet; I need a second draft before I share with
anyone.

I will certainly stick around - can't imagine life without y'all - though I
might have to go to digest mode and resign my modship :(

Roz



-----Original Message-----
From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk]
Sent: 24 August 2005 12:53
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Change of circumstances


Hi Roz
Don't have anything practical to add (you spotted the obvious one about
freelance work not readily fitting round personal timetables) but just
wanted to say good luck. What's the Masters in, and more intriguingly what's
the novel? Is it your first? Do you have a publisher? etc etc When can we
look to see Roz Clarke in Waterstones?

And I hope you'll be sticking around AccessD.

--
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http://www.minstersystems.co.uk


--------- Original Message --------
From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: [AccessD] Change of circumstances
Date: 24/08/05 10:52

Dear all

Like so many access-d members before me, I will shortly be giving up my day
job and looking for freelance work. The trouble is I don't want to work 24/7
- I am starting a masters degree this autumn, and writing a novel. But it
would be nice to keep my hand in with a bit of analysis &/or development
work, and of course the money would not go amiss.

Does anyone have any suggestions as to how I could do this?

I have 10 years experience with Access but I'm no guru, as you know. I've
extended into other Office apps a good deal, including Outlook. I have some
SQL dev skills and a smattering of SQL DBA knowledge. I'm getting into
ASP.NET. I'm a good analyst and I think I'm a decent team leader, (whatever
Tom says). My real strength is project management.

I'd like to work 2 days a week, but I appreciate that freelance work never
respects that kind of wish. :)

Any advice would be much appreciated

TIA

Roz







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From john at winhaven.net  Wed Aug 24 08:25:42 2005
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 08:25:42 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] test
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passed 

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 7:51 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] test

testing - not seeing my own mails to the list today



From Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com  Wed Aug 24 08:31:39 2005
From: Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com (Hale, Jim)
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 08:31:39 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Change of circumstances
Message-ID: <6A6AA9DF57E4F046BDA1E273BDDB67723377AD@corp-es01.fleetpride.com>

Don't worry, I'll bet you're in the book :->
Good luck Roz!
Jim Hale

-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 7:29 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Change of circumstances


What, no Roz tickling my back with her cat-0-nine?  Where will I get my
titillation?

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Roz Clarke
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 8:20 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Change of circumstances


Hiya

Thank you for the good wishes. The masters is in Creative Writing and the
novel is one I started several years ago but have never found the time to
finish, it's about erm... I guess it's about the nobility of truth versus
the attractions of artifice. It's a very silly book really but I'm enjoying
working on it. No publisher yet; I need a second draft before I share with
anyone.

I will certainly stick around - can't imagine life without y'all - though I
might have to go to digest mode and resign my modship :(

Roz



-----Original Message-----
From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk] 
Sent: 24 August 2005 12:53
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Change of circumstances


Hi Roz
Don't have anything practical to add (you spotted the obvious one about
freelance work not readily fitting round personal timetables) but just
wanted to say good luck. What's the Masters in, and more intriguingly what's
the novel? Is it your first? Do you have a publisher? etc etc When can we
look to see Roz Clarke in Waterstones?

And I hope you'll be sticking around AccessD.

--
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http://www.minstersystems.co.uk


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To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: [AccessD] Change of circumstances
Date: 24/08/05 10:52

Dear all

Like so many access-d members before me, I will shortly be giving up my day
job and looking for freelance work. The trouble is I don't want to work 24/7
- I am starting a masters degree this autumn, and writing a novel. But it
would be nice to keep my hand in with a bit of analysis &/or development
work, and of course the money would not go amiss.

Does anyone have any suggestions as to how I could do this?

I have 10 years experience with Access but I'm no guru, as you know. I've
extended into other Office apps a good deal, including Outlook. I have some
SQL dev skills and a smattering of SQL DBA knowledge. I'm getting into
ASP.NET. I'm a good analyst and I think I'm a decent team leader, (whatever
Tom says). My real strength is project management.

I'd like to work 2 days a week, but I appreciate that freelance work never
respects that kind of wish. :)

Any advice would be much appreciated

TIA

Roz







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From roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk  Wed Aug 24 08:33:29 2005
From: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk (Roz Clarke)
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 14:33:29 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] test
Message-ID: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C8318807225F1B@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>

Still didn't get my own email - and I have checked my list settings - but it
could be something at this end.

-----Original Message-----
From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net] 
Sent: 24 August 2005 14:26
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] test


passed 

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Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 7:51 AM
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testing - not seeing my own mails to the list today

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From john at winhaven.net  Wed Aug 24 09:02:31 2005
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Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 09:02:31 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] test
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Just a thought, check your spam filter folders (sometimes ISPs do this and
don't inform people). Lately when I send messages with test as a subject
they get filtered.

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Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 8:33 AM
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Still didn't get my own email - and I have checked my list settings - but it
could be something at this end.

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Subject: RE: [AccessD] test


passed 

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From iggy at nanaimo.ark.com  Wed Aug 24 09:20:31 2005
From: iggy at nanaimo.ark.com (Tony Septav)
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 07:20:31 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] TreeView A97
Message-ID: <430C822F.4040705@nanaimo.ark.com>

Hey All
I am updating an old project.
Does anyone know how to turn off the navigation keys (PgUp,PgDn, Up/Down 
arrow etc.) in a treeview. I have tried On Key Down  Keycode=0 for both 
the form and control, but it doesn't seem to have any effect.

Thanks

Tony Septav
Nanaimo, BC


From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Wed Aug 24 10:03:34 2005
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (DWUTKA at marlow.com)
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 10:03:34 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Change of circumstances
Message-ID: <123701F54509D9119A4F00D0B747349016DE34@main2.marlow.com>

You could always join OT, just to keep in touch...of course...I would make
sure you are fully prepared to do so.  OT is not for the faint of heart! ;)

Good luck on the novel by the way.  On occasion I get side jobs that I just
don't have time for.  Are you keeping the address below?  If so, I'll keep
you on my list of 'pass it on'.  Haven't had anything in months, but since I
am now salaried at my full time job, I have less time for side stuff.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk]
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 7:20 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Change of circumstances


Hiya

Thank you for the good wishes. The masters is in Creative Writing and the
novel is one I started several years ago but have never found the time to
finish, it's about erm... I guess it's about the nobility of truth versus
the attractions of artifice. It's a very silly book really but I'm enjoying
working on it. No publisher yet; I need a second draft before I share with
anyone.

I will certainly stick around - can't imagine life without y'all - though I
might have to go to digest mode and resign my modship :(

Roz



-----Original Message-----
From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk] 
Sent: 24 August 2005 12:53
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Change of circumstances


Hi Roz
Don't have anything practical to add (you spotted the obvious one about
freelance work not readily fitting round personal timetables) but just
wanted to say good luck. What's the Masters in, and more intriguingly what's
the novel? Is it your first? Do you have a publisher? etc etc When can we
look to see Roz Clarke in Waterstones?

And I hope you'll be sticking around AccessD.

--
Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk


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<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: [AccessD] Change of circumstances
Date: 24/08/05 10:52

Dear all

Like so many access-d members before me, I will shortly be giving up my day
job and looking for freelance work. The trouble is I don't want to work 24/7
- I am starting a masters degree this autumn, and writing a novel. But it
would be nice to keep my hand in with a bit of analysis &/or development
work, and of course the money would not go amiss.

Does anyone have any suggestions as to how I could do this?

I have 10 years experience with Access but I'm no guru, as you know. I've
extended into other Office apps a good deal, including Outlook. I have some
SQL dev skills and a smattering of SQL DBA knowledge. I'm getting into
ASP.NET. I'm a good analyst and I think I'm a decent team leader, (whatever
Tom says). My real strength is project management.

I'd like to work 2 days a week, but I appreciate that freelance work never
respects that kind of wish. :)

Any advice would be much appreciated

TIA

Roz







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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Wed Aug 24 10:14:57 2005
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (DWUTKA at marlow.com)
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 10:14:57 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Change of circumstances
Message-ID: <123701F54509D9119A4F00D0B747349016DE37@main2.marlow.com>

<cough>

Um....I'm speechless.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 7:29 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Change of circumstances


What, no Roz tickling my back with her cat-0-nine?  Where will I get my
titillation?

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Roz Clarke
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 8:20 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Change of circumstances


Hiya

Thank you for the good wishes. The masters is in Creative Writing and the
novel is one I started several years ago but have never found the time to
finish, it's about erm... I guess it's about the nobility of truth versus
the attractions of artifice. It's a very silly book really but I'm enjoying
working on it. No publisher yet; I need a second draft before I share with
anyone.

I will certainly stick around - can't imagine life without y'all - though I
might have to go to digest mode and resign my modship :(

Roz



-----Original Message-----
From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk] 
Sent: 24 August 2005 12:53
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Change of circumstances


Hi Roz
Don't have anything practical to add (you spotted the obvious one about
freelance work not readily fitting round personal timetables) but just
wanted to say good luck. What's the Masters in, and more intriguingly what's
the novel? Is it your first? Do you have a publisher? etc etc When can we
look to see Roz Clarke in Waterstones?

And I hope you'll be sticking around AccessD.

--
Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk


--------- Original Message --------
From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: [AccessD] Change of circumstances
Date: 24/08/05 10:52

Dear all

Like so many access-d members before me, I will shortly be giving up my day
job and looking for freelance work. The trouble is I don't want to work 24/7
- I am starting a masters degree this autumn, and writing a novel. But it
would be nice to keep my hand in with a bit of analysis &/or development
work, and of course the money would not go amiss.

Does anyone have any suggestions as to how I could do this?

I have 10 years experience with Access but I'm no guru, as you know. I've
extended into other Office apps a good deal, including Outlook. I have some
SQL dev skills and a smattering of SQL DBA knowledge. I'm getting into
ASP.NET. I'm a good analyst and I think I'm a decent team leader, (whatever
Tom says). My real strength is project management.

I'd like to work 2 days a week, but I appreciate that freelance work never
respects that kind of wish. :)

Any advice would be much appreciated

TIA

Roz







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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Wed Aug 24 10:15:29 2005
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (DWUTKA at marlow.com)
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 10:15:29 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Change of circumstances
Message-ID: <123701F54509D9119A4F00D0B747349016DE38@main2.marlow.com>

Did anyone else hear the crack of a whip after reading this post? ;)

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk]
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 7:43 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Change of circumstances


Well maybe I could rejoin the BOD, heheh.

I don't finish here until 14th October though, so for now... That's *quite*
enough from you Mr. Colby, this thread is getting dangerously off-topic!
Back to your reusable code, forthwith!

-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: 24 August 2005 13:29
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Change of circumstances


What, no Roz tickling my back with her cat-0-nine?  Where will I get my
titillation?

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Roz Clarke
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 8:20 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Change of circumstances


Hiya

Thank you for the good wishes. The masters is in Creative Writing and the
novel is one I started several years ago but have never found the time to
finish, it's about erm... I guess it's about the nobility of truth versus
the attractions of artifice. It's a very silly book really but I'm enjoying
working on it. No publisher yet; I need a second draft before I share with
anyone.

I will certainly stick around - can't imagine life without y'all - though I
might have to go to digest mode and resign my modship :(

Roz



-----Original Message-----
From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk] 
Sent: 24 August 2005 12:53
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Change of circumstances


Hi Roz
Don't have anything practical to add (you spotted the obvious one about
freelance work not readily fitting round personal timetables) but just
wanted to say good luck. What's the Masters in, and more intriguingly what's
the novel? Is it your first? Do you have a publisher? etc etc When can we
look to see Roz Clarke in Waterstones?

And I hope you'll be sticking around AccessD.

--
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http://www.minstersystems.co.uk


--------- Original Message --------
From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: [AccessD] Change of circumstances
Date: 24/08/05 10:52

Dear all

Like so many access-d members before me, I will shortly be giving up my day
job and looking for freelance work. The trouble is I don't want to work 24/7
- I am starting a masters degree this autumn, and writing a novel. But it
would be nice to keep my hand in with a bit of analysis &/or development
work, and of course the money would not go amiss.

Does anyone have any suggestions as to how I could do this?

I have 10 years experience with Access but I'm no guru, as you know. I've
extended into other Office apps a good deal, including Outlook. I have some
SQL dev skills and a smattering of SQL DBA knowledge. I'm getting into
ASP.NET. I'm a good analyst and I think I'm a decent team leader, (whatever
Tom says). My real strength is project management.

I'd like to work 2 days a week, but I appreciate that freelance work never
respects that kind of wish. :)

Any advice would be much appreciated

TIA

Roz







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From roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk  Wed Aug 24 10:23:04 2005
From: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk (Roz Clarke)
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 16:23:04 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Change of circumstances
Message-ID: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C8318807225F23@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>

I've tried OT. I wouldn't say I'm faint hearted, but I think I lasted about
a fortnight.

I won't get to keep this address. I'll be using zora_db at yahoo.com. Thanks
for the offer, it's much appreciated.

-----Original Message-----
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com] 
Sent: 24 August 2005 16:04
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Change of circumstances


You could always join OT, just to keep in touch...of course...I would make
sure you are fully prepared to do so.  OT is not for the faint of heart! ;)

Good luck on the novel by the way.  On occasion I get side jobs that I just
don't have time for.  Are you keeping the address below?  If so, I'll keep
you on my list of 'pass it on'.  Haven't had anything in months, but since I
am now salaried at my full time job, I have less time for side stuff.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk]
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 7:20 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Change of circumstances


Hiya

Thank you for the good wishes. The masters is in Creative Writing and the
novel is one I started several years ago but have never found the time to
finish, it's about erm... I guess it's about the nobility of truth versus
the attractions of artifice. It's a very silly book really but I'm enjoying
working on it. No publisher yet; I need a second draft before I share with
anyone.

I will certainly stick around - can't imagine life without y'all - though I
might have to go to digest mode and resign my modship :(

Roz



-----Original Message-----
From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk] 
Sent: 24 August 2005 12:53
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Change of circumstances


Hi Roz
Don't have anything practical to add (you spotted the obvious one about
freelance work not readily fitting round personal timetables) but just
wanted to say good luck. What's the Masters in, and more intriguingly what's
the novel? Is it your first? Do you have a publisher? etc etc When can we
look to see Roz Clarke in Waterstones?

And I hope you'll be sticking around AccessD.

--
Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk


--------- Original Message --------
From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: [AccessD] Change of circumstances
Date: 24/08/05 10:52

Dear all

Like so many access-d members before me, I will shortly be giving up my day
job and looking for freelance work. The trouble is I don't want to work 24/7
- I am starting a masters degree this autumn, and writing a novel. But it
would be nice to keep my hand in with a bit of analysis &/or development
work, and of course the money would not go amiss.

Does anyone have any suggestions as to how I could do this?

I have 10 years experience with Access but I'm no guru, as you know. I've
extended into other Office apps a good deal, including Outlook. I have some
SQL dev skills and a smattering of SQL DBA knowledge. I'm getting into
ASP.NET. I'm a good analyst and I think I'm a decent team leader, (whatever
Tom says). My real strength is project management.

I'd like to work 2 days a week, but I appreciate that freelance work never
respects that kind of wish. :)

Any advice would be much appreciated

TIA

Roz







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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Aug 24 10:42:14 2005
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 11:42:14 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Change of circumstances
In-Reply-To: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C8318807225F23@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>
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Roz,

If you are tired of the "new email address" dance, may I recommend going to
1and1.com and buying their email only package.  You select an unused domain
(I found jwcolby still available - and took it) which you will have to pay
$5 to maintain.  Then for 99c / month you get up to 5 pop email accounts,
and up to 1gb storage for those accounts.  I thought that $17 / year was a
pretty good price for a domain and 5 permanent email addresses with lots of
storage.

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-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 11:23 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Change of circumstances


I've tried OT. I wouldn't say I'm faint hearted, but I think I lasted about
a fortnight.

I won't get to keep this address. I'll be using zora_db at yahoo.com. Thanks
for the offer, it's much appreciated.

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Sent: 24 August 2005 16:04
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Change of circumstances


You could always join OT, just to keep in touch...of course...I would make
sure you are fully prepared to do so.  OT is not for the faint of heart! ;)

Good luck on the novel by the way.  On occasion I get side jobs that I just
don't have time for.  Are you keeping the address below?  If so, I'll keep
you on my list of 'pass it on'.  Haven't had anything in months, but since I
am now salaried at my full time job, I have less time for side stuff.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk]
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 7:20 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Change of circumstances


Hiya

Thank you for the good wishes. The masters is in Creative Writing and the
novel is one I started several years ago but have never found the time to
finish, it's about erm... I guess it's about the nobility of truth versus
the attractions of artifice. It's a very silly book really but I'm enjoying
working on it. No publisher yet; I need a second draft before I share with
anyone.

I will certainly stick around - can't imagine life without y'all - though I
might have to go to digest mode and resign my modship :(

Roz



-----Original Message-----
From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk] 
Sent: 24 August 2005 12:53
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Change of circumstances


Hi Roz
Don't have anything practical to add (you spotted the obvious one about
freelance work not readily fitting round personal timetables) but just
wanted to say good luck. What's the Masters in, and more intriguingly what's
the novel? Is it your first? Do you have a publisher? etc etc When can we
look to see Roz Clarke in Waterstones?

And I hope you'll be sticking around AccessD.

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To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: [AccessD] Change of circumstances
Date: 24/08/05 10:52

Dear all

Like so many access-d members before me, I will shortly be giving up my day
job and looking for freelance work. The trouble is I don't want to work 24/7
- I am starting a masters degree this autumn, and writing a novel. But it
would be nice to keep my hand in with a bit of analysis &/or development
work, and of course the money would not go amiss.

Does anyone have any suggestions as to how I could do this?

I have 10 years experience with Access but I'm no guru, as you know. I've
extended into other Office apps a good deal, including Outlook. I have some
SQL dev skills and a smattering of SQL DBA knowledge. I'm getting into
ASP.NET. I'm a good analyst and I think I'm a decent team leader, (whatever
Tom says). My real strength is project management.

I'd like to work 2 days a week, but I appreciate that freelance work never
respects that kind of wish. :)

Any advice would be much appreciated

TIA

Roz







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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Aug 24 10:43:25 2005
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 11:43:25 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Change of circumstances
In-Reply-To: <123701F54509D9119A4F00D0B747349016DE38@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <011b01c5a8c2$90d2e7f0$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

And it felt sooooo good.  ;-)

It's a darned good thing Roz has a sense of humor. <grin>

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of DWUTKA at marlow.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 11:15 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Change of circumstances


Did anyone else hear the crack of a whip after reading this post? ;)

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk]
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 7:43 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Change of circumstances


Well maybe I could rejoin the BOD, heheh.

I don't finish here until 14th October though, so for now... That's *quite*
enough from you Mr. Colby, this thread is getting dangerously off-topic!
Back to your reusable code, forthwith!

-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: 24 August 2005 13:29
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Change of circumstances


What, no Roz tickling my back with her cat-0-nine?  Where will I get my
titillation?

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Roz Clarke
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 8:20 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Change of circumstances


Hiya

Thank you for the good wishes. The masters is in Creative Writing and the
novel is one I started several years ago but have never found the time to
finish, it's about erm... I guess it's about the nobility of truth versus
the attractions of artifice. It's a very silly book really but I'm enjoying
working on it. No publisher yet; I need a second draft before I share with
anyone.

I will certainly stick around - can't imagine life without y'all - though I
might have to go to digest mode and resign my modship :(

Roz



-----Original Message-----
From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk] 
Sent: 24 August 2005 12:53
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Change of circumstances


Hi Roz
Don't have anything practical to add (you spotted the obvious one about
freelance work not readily fitting round personal timetables) but just
wanted to say good luck. What's the Masters in, and more intriguingly what's
the novel? Is it your first? Do you have a publisher? etc etc When can we
look to see Roz Clarke in Waterstones?

And I hope you'll be sticking around AccessD.

--
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http://www.minstersystems.co.uk


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<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: [AccessD] Change of circumstances
Date: 24/08/05 10:52

Dear all

Like so many access-d members before me, I will shortly be giving up my day
job and looking for freelance work. The trouble is I don't want to work 24/7
- I am starting a masters degree this autumn, and writing a novel. But it
would be nice to keep my hand in with a bit of analysis &/or development
work, and of course the money would not go amiss.

Does anyone have any suggestions as to how I could do this?

I have 10 years experience with Access but I'm no guru, as you know. I've
extended into other Office apps a good deal, including Outlook. I have some
SQL dev skills and a smattering of SQL DBA knowledge. I'm getting into
ASP.NET. I'm a good analyst and I think I'm a decent team leader, (whatever
Tom says). My real strength is project management.

I'd like to work 2 days a week, but I appreciate that freelance work never
respects that kind of wish. :)

Any advice would be much appreciated

TIA

Roz







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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Wed Aug 24 10:42:01 2005
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (DWUTKA at marlow.com)
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 10:42:01 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Change of circumstances
Message-ID: <123701F54509D9119A4F00D0B747349016DE3B@main2.marlow.com>

LOL, OT can scare some people away.  You have to stick to it for a week or
so, and have some thick skin. ;)

I put your email address in my address book.  I'll let you know if anything
comes my way.  I put in the notes on the contact that you do Access and
ASP.NET.  Anything else?  (VB, normal ASP, etc?)

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk]
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 10:23 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Change of circumstances


I've tried OT. I wouldn't say I'm faint hearted, but I think I lasted about
a fortnight.

I won't get to keep this address. I'll be using zora_db at yahoo.com. Thanks
for the offer, it's much appreciated.

-----Original Message-----
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com] 
Sent: 24 August 2005 16:04
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Change of circumstances


You could always join OT, just to keep in touch...of course...I would make
sure you are fully prepared to do so.  OT is not for the faint of heart! ;)

Good luck on the novel by the way.  On occasion I get side jobs that I just
don't have time for.  Are you keeping the address below?  If so, I'll keep
you on my list of 'pass it on'.  Haven't had anything in months, but since I
am now salaried at my full time job, I have less time for side stuff.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk]
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 7:20 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Change of circumstances


Hiya

Thank you for the good wishes. The masters is in Creative Writing and the
novel is one I started several years ago but have never found the time to
finish, it's about erm... I guess it's about the nobility of truth versus
the attractions of artifice. It's a very silly book really but I'm enjoying
working on it. No publisher yet; I need a second draft before I share with
anyone.

I will certainly stick around - can't imagine life without y'all - though I
might have to go to digest mode and resign my modship :(

Roz



-----Original Message-----
From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk] 
Sent: 24 August 2005 12:53
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Change of circumstances


Hi Roz
Don't have anything practical to add (you spotted the obvious one about
freelance work not readily fitting round personal timetables) but just
wanted to say good luck. What's the Masters in, and more intriguingly what's
the novel? Is it your first? Do you have a publisher? etc etc When can we
look to see Roz Clarke in Waterstones?

And I hope you'll be sticking around AccessD.

--
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http://www.minstersystems.co.uk


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<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: [AccessD] Change of circumstances
Date: 24/08/05 10:52

Dear all

Like so many access-d members before me, I will shortly be giving up my day
job and looking for freelance work. The trouble is I don't want to work 24/7
- I am starting a masters degree this autumn, and writing a novel. But it
would be nice to keep my hand in with a bit of analysis &/or development
work, and of course the money would not go amiss.

Does anyone have any suggestions as to how I could do this?

I have 10 years experience with Access but I'm no guru, as you know. I've
extended into other Office apps a good deal, including Outlook. I have some
SQL dev skills and a smattering of SQL DBA knowledge. I'm getting into
ASP.NET. I'm a good analyst and I think I'm a decent team leader, (whatever
Tom says). My real strength is project management.

I'd like to work 2 days a week, but I appreciate that freelance work never
respects that kind of wish. :)

Any advice would be much appreciated

TIA

Roz







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From Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com  Wed Aug 24 10:51:52 2005
From: Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com (Hale, Jim)
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 10:51:52 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] SQL to count delimiters in a string
Message-ID: <6A6AA9DF57E4F046BDA1E273BDDB67723377AE@corp-es01.fleetpride.com>

Assume I have a text field in a table. Further assume that the text strings
are delimited by the pipe character "|". I want to know how many pipe
characters occur in each field, ie. the select statement should return:

fldText                         Occurrences
test|ddd|ww|ex                3
fff|sss                             1
eenie|meenie|minie|moe   3

What is the correct SQL to produce the desired result? TIA
Jim Hale

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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Wed Aug 24 10:52:18 2005
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (DWUTKA at marlow.com)
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 10:52:18 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Change of circumstances
Message-ID: <123701F54509D9119A4F00D0B747349016DE3F@main2.marlow.com>

I hear the whip coming again, you are a glutton for punishment JC, that is
why you are Darth Vader, eh?

Drew

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From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 10:43 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Change of circumstances


And it felt sooooo good.  ;-)

It's a darned good thing Roz has a sense of humor. <grin>

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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http://folding.stanford.edu/

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of DWUTKA at marlow.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 11:15 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Change of circumstances


Did anyone else hear the crack of a whip after reading this post? ;)

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk]
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 7:43 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Change of circumstances


Well maybe I could rejoin the BOD, heheh.

I don't finish here until 14th October though, so for now... That's *quite*
enough from you Mr. Colby, this thread is getting dangerously off-topic!
Back to your reusable code, forthwith!

-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: 24 August 2005 13:29
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Change of circumstances


What, no Roz tickling my back with her cat-0-nine?  Where will I get my
titillation?

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Roz Clarke
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 8:20 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Change of circumstances


Hiya

Thank you for the good wishes. The masters is in Creative Writing and the
novel is one I started several years ago but have never found the time to
finish, it's about erm... I guess it's about the nobility of truth versus
the attractions of artifice. It's a very silly book really but I'm enjoying
working on it. No publisher yet; I need a second draft before I share with
anyone.

I will certainly stick around - can't imagine life without y'all - though I
might have to go to digest mode and resign my modship :(

Roz



-----Original Message-----
From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk] 
Sent: 24 August 2005 12:53
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Change of circumstances


Hi Roz
Don't have anything practical to add (you spotted the obvious one about
freelance work not readily fitting round personal timetables) but just
wanted to say good luck. What's the Masters in, and more intriguingly what's
the novel? Is it your first? Do you have a publisher? etc etc When can we
look to see Roz Clarke in Waterstones?

And I hope you'll be sticking around AccessD.

--
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http://www.minstersystems.co.uk


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From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: [AccessD] Change of circumstances
Date: 24/08/05 10:52

Dear all

Like so many access-d members before me, I will shortly be giving up my day
job and looking for freelance work. The trouble is I don't want to work 24/7
- I am starting a masters degree this autumn, and writing a novel. But it
would be nice to keep my hand in with a bit of analysis &/or development
work, and of course the money would not go amiss.

Does anyone have any suggestions as to how I could do this?

I have 10 years experience with Access but I'm no guru, as you know. I've
extended into other Office apps a good deal, including Outlook. I have some
SQL dev skills and a smattering of SQL DBA knowledge. I'm getting into
ASP.NET. I'm a good analyst and I think I'm a decent team leader, (whatever
Tom says). My real strength is project management.

I'd like to work 2 days a week, but I appreciate that freelance work never
respects that kind of wish. :)

Any advice would be much appreciated

TIA

Roz







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From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Aug 24 12:20:10 2005
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 10:20:10 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] test
In-Reply-To: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C8318807225F1B@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>
Message-ID: <0ILQ00A4LLHLFB@l-daemon>

Hi Roz:

Check, your company they might have started removing a 'past' employee from
the email accounts a tad early. :-) 

Jim 
PS Great move; so what is the working title of new book?

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Roz Clarke
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 6:33 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] test

Still didn't get my own email - and I have checked my list settings - but it
could be something at this end.

-----Original Message-----
From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net] 
Sent: 24 August 2005 14:26
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] test


passed 

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Roz Clarke
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 7:51 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] test

testing - not seeing my own mails to the list today

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From John.Clark at niagaracounty.com  Wed Aug 24 12:36:14 2005
From: John.Clark at niagaracounty.com (John Clark)
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 13:36:14 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Logic issue
Message-ID: <s30c7846.084@nebnov3.niagaracounty.com>

Hi all

I am having trouble working out how I want to go about something, and I
am hoping somebody here can give me a nudge. It doesn't sound difficult,
but I'm running into dead-ends. I am starting to think that I will just
have to go ahead and finish up with "whatever" and work around things.

I am doing a project for a district attorney's office, and it will
basically just keep tabs on everybody that passes through the system.
The problem is though that there are "Defendants", defense lawyers,
prosecuting lawyers, judges, and victims, and it isn't rare for a single
person to cross into multiple lists. And, theoretically, it is possible
to be in all lists. For instance there are many prosecuting lawyers that
become defense attorneys, and it is not unlikely that one of these
attorneys could be a judge in the future. That scenario is very
possible, and you can add it that a lawyer is very able to be a victim,
and hell, we all know they can be criminals ;) Another scenario that
happens very frequently, is that a person is both a defendant and a
victim. 

I don't want the person entering data to scroll through hundreds, and
eventually thousands, of names to pick an attorney's name from among the
list of everybody else in the system.

The idea I am working on presently is to add logical fields for each
designation to the table of names. For instances:

kNameID
txtLastName
txtFirstName
txtMI
txtSuffix
logAttorney
logADA
logJudge
logVictim
logDefendant

If I do this, I will have removed some fields that are currently there,
such as:

txtAddress1
txtAddress2
txtCity
txtSt
txtZip
txtPhone

And, I will put these in another linked table. There may be a need to
have multiple addresses for the defendants, so this would be best I
think.

The problem that I am foreseeing here...I'm not at that point, so my
fears could be unfounded...is setting these fields to true and/or false,
as needed.  Basically, thinking of victims for a minute here, the
defendant screen, which will actually be an "Indictment" screen, will
have a subform to hold potentially many victims for the indictment. If a
victim IS already in the system as something else, I will need to tag
that name as a victim and I'm wondering if this will present
difficulties.

Well, I hope I am being clear enough. If anyone out there has any tips
for me, I would greatly appreciate it if you would pass them along.

Thank you!

John W Clark


From ssharkins at bellsouth.net  Wed Aug 24 12:43:21 2005
From: ssharkins at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 13:43:21 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Logic issue
In-Reply-To: <s30c7846.084@nebnov3.niagaracounty.com>
Message-ID: <20050824174329.GHHT21411.ibm70aec.bellsouth.net@SUSANONE>

 
logAttorney
logADA
logJudge
logVictim
logDefendant

========What kind of values are these? If they're simply descriptive, you
might consider 

kNameID
Status

Where you can have as many records as necessary to identify kNameID as
Attorny, ADA, Judge, etc... 

Susan H. 



From DElam at jenkens.com  Wed Aug 24 12:47:03 2005
From: DElam at jenkens.com (Elam, Debbie)
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 12:47:03 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Logic issue
Message-ID: <7B1961ED924D1A459E378C9B1BB22B4C0492CCD8@natexch.jenkens.com>

I would actually have a table of people that includes everyone.  Second, a
table of trials.  Link those two with a third table that has the trialID,
personID and an ID indicating what role they had in the trial.  Given the
cross connections and likely possibility of multiple people in one role for
a trial, this is the only scalable solution.

Debbie

-----Original Message-----
From: John Clark [mailto:John.Clark at niagaracounty.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 12:36 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Logic issue


Hi all

I am having trouble working out how I want to go about something, and I
am hoping somebody here can give me a nudge. It doesn't sound difficult,
but I'm running into dead-ends. I am starting to think that I will just
have to go ahead and finish up with "whatever" and work around things.

I am doing a project for a district attorney's office, and it will
basically just keep tabs on everybody that passes through the system.
The problem is though that there are "Defendants", defense lawyers,
prosecuting lawyers, judges, and victims, and it isn't rare for a single
person to cross into multiple lists. And, theoretically, it is possible
to be in all lists. For instance there are many prosecuting lawyers that
become defense attorneys, and it is not unlikely that one of these
attorneys could be a judge in the future. That scenario is very
possible, and you can add it that a lawyer is very able to be a victim,
and hell, we all know they can be criminals ;) Another scenario that
happens very frequently, is that a person is both a defendant and a
victim. 

I don't want the person entering data to scroll through hundreds, and
eventually thousands, of names to pick an attorney's name from among the
list of everybody else in the system.

The idea I am working on presently is to add logical fields for each
designation to the table of names. For instances:

kNameID
txtLastName
txtFirstName
txtMI
txtSuffix
logAttorney
logADA
logJudge
logVictim
logDefendant

If I do this, I will have removed some fields that are currently there,
such as:

txtAddress1
txtAddress2
txtCity
txtSt
txtZip
txtPhone

And, I will put these in another linked table. There may be a need to
have multiple addresses for the defendants, so this would be best I
think.

The problem that I am foreseeing here...I'm not at that point, so my
fears could be unfounded...is setting these fields to true and/or false,
as needed.  Basically, thinking of victims for a minute here, the
defendant screen, which will actually be an "Indictment" screen, will
have a subform to hold potentially many victims for the indictment. If a
victim IS already in the system as something else, I will need to tag
that name as a victim and I'm wondering if this will present
difficulties.

Well, I hope I am being clear enough. If anyone out there has any tips
for me, I would greatly appreciate it if you would pass them along.

Thank you!

John W Clark
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From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com  Wed Aug 24 12:32:20 2005
From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 13:32:20 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] SQL to count delimiters in a string
Message-ID: <1D7828CDB8350747AFE9D69E0E90DA1F14EA3F42@xlivmbx21.aig.com>

Yu need to use a VBA Function to do that, which you would call from the
query. Here's an example...

Function CountDelimiters(strSource As String, strDelim As String) As Long
Dim nCount As Long
Dim nPos As Long
    nPos = InStr(strSource, strDelim)
    While nPos > 0
        nCount = nCount + 1
        nPos = InStr(nPos + Len(strDelim), strSource, strDelim)
    Wend
    CountDelimiters = nCount
End Function

Lambert

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hale, Jim
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 11:52 AM
To: 'Accessd (E-mail)
Subject: [AccessD] SQL to count delimiters in a string


Assume I have a text field in a table. Further assume that the text strings
are delimited by the pipe character "|". I want to know how many pipe
characters occur in each field, ie. the select statement should return:

fldText                         Occurrences
test|ddd|ww|ex                3
fff|sss                             1
eenie|meenie|minie|moe   3

What is the correct SQL to produce the desired result? TIA
Jim Hale

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From prosoft6 at hotmail.com  Wed Aug 24 12:51:24 2005
From: prosoft6 at hotmail.com (Julie Reardon-Taylor)
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 13:51:24 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Logic issue
In-Reply-To: <s30c7846.084@nebnov3.niagaracounty.com>
Message-ID: <BAY104-F120CF1444E7FF6CA854D309AA80@phx.gbl>

John,

Have you thought about using an associative table, where the many to many 
problems are conquered?  What does the rest of the list think about 
associative tables?



Julie Reardon-Taylor
PRO-SOFT OF NY, INC.
44 Public Square Suite #5
Watertown, NY 13601
Phone/Fax: (315) 785-0319
www.pro-soft.net




From adtp at touchtelindia.net  Wed Aug 24 12:58:01 2005
From: adtp at touchtelindia.net (A.D.Tejpal)
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 23:28:01 +0530
Subject: [AccessD] SQL to count delimiters in a string
References: <6A6AA9DF57E4F046BDA1E273BDDB67723377AE@corp-es01.fleetpride.com >
Message-ID: <01dc01c5a8d5$9c230b90$451865cb@winxp>

Jim,

    Sample query given below should get you the count of specified delimiter in field named fldText. T_Data is the name of table.

    It makes use of function Fn_CountDelimiters() given below.

Best wishes,
A.D.Tejpal
--------------

Select Query
(Count of specified delimiter in field fldText) 
=================================
SELECT T_Data.fldText, Fn_CountDelimiters([fldText],"|") AS Occurences  FROM T_Data;
=================================

User-Defined Function
(Count of specified delimiter (TxtDelimiter) 
  in a given string (TxtMain))
=================================
Function Fn_CountDelimiters(ByVal TxtMain _
                                As String, ByVal TxtDelimiter _
                                As String) As Long
    Fn_CountDelimiters = UBound(Split(TxtMain, TxtDelimiter))
End Function
=================================

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Hale, Jim 
  To: 'Accessd (E-mail) 
  Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 21:21
  Subject: [AccessD] SQL to count delimiters in a string


  Assume I have a text field in a table. Further assume that the text strings are delimited by the pipe character "|". I want to know how many pipe characters occur in each field, ie. the select statement should return:

  fldText                         Occurrences
  test|ddd|ww|ex                3
  fff|sss                             1
  eenie|meenie|minie|moe   3

  What is the correct SQL to produce the desired result? TIA

  Jim Hale


From John.Clark at niagaracounty.com  Wed Aug 24 13:03:24 2005
From: John.Clark at niagaracounty.com (John Clark)
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 14:03:24 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Logic issue
Message-ID: <s30c7e7c.044@nebnov3.niagaracounty.com>

I'm not sure what you mean

>>> prosoft6 at hotmail.com 8/24/2005 1:51 PM >>>
John,

Have you thought about using an associative table, where the many to
many 
problems are conquered?  What does the rest of the list think about 
associative tables?



Julie Reardon-Taylor
PRO-SOFT OF NY, INC.
44 Public Square Suite #5
Watertown, NY 13601
Phone/Fax: (315) 785-0319
www.pro-soft.net 


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From John.Clark at niagaracounty.com  Wed Aug 24 13:05:48 2005
From: John.Clark at niagaracounty.com (John Clark)
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 14:05:48 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Logic issue
Message-ID: <s30c7ef4.050@nebnov3.niagaracounty.com>

They are sort of just descriptive designations, however they will be
useful later in the program. For instance, if they are entering a
victims name into the db, they would like to know if this victim was
also a defendant for something.

And, I will be giving them drop downs that contain lawyers, judges,
etc. that will be based on these fields.

>>> ssharkins at bellsouth.net 8/24/2005 1:43 PM >>>
 
logAttorney
logADA
logJudge
logVictim
logDefendant

========What kind of values are these? If they're simply descriptive,
you
might consider 

kNameID
Status

Where you can have as many records as necessary to identify kNameID as
Attorny, ADA, Judge, etc... 

Susan H. 

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From John.Clark at niagaracounty.com  Wed Aug 24 13:12:36 2005
From: John.Clark at niagaracounty.com (John Clark)
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 14:12:36 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Logic issue
Message-ID: <s30c80da.061@nebnov3.niagaracounty.com>

It isn't really based on trials though. It is based on indictment
numbers, and these may or may not go to court...a defendant could plea
out before it hits trial, or charges could be dropped. I think we are on
the same page though, except it seems like you would pull all from this
table, which I would too, but I want to filter it for certain lists
(i.e. I don't want a thousand names showing up when I want to basically
choose from three judges). I don't mind including all names when adding
defendants, because it is probably necessary.

>>> DElam at jenkens.com 8/24/2005 1:47 PM >>>
I would actually have a table of people that includes everyone. 
Second, a
table of trials.  Link those two with a third table that has the
trialID,
personID and an ID indicating what role they had in the trial.  Given
the
cross connections and likely possibility of multiple people in one role
for
a trial, this is the only scalable solution.

Debbie

-----Original Message-----
From: John Clark [mailto:John.Clark at niagaracounty.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 12:36 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: [AccessD] Logic issue


Hi all

I am having trouble working out how I want to go about something, and
I
am hoping somebody here can give me a nudge. It doesn't sound
difficult,
but I'm running into dead-ends. I am starting to think that I will
just
have to go ahead and finish up with "whatever" and work around things.

I am doing a project for a district attorney's office, and it will
basically just keep tabs on everybody that passes through the system.
The problem is though that there are "Defendants", defense lawyers,
prosecuting lawyers, judges, and victims, and it isn't rare for a
single
person to cross into multiple lists. And, theoretically, it is
possible
to be in all lists. For instance there are many prosecuting lawyers
that
become defense attorneys, and it is not unlikely that one of these
attorneys could be a judge in the future. That scenario is very
possible, and you can add it that a lawyer is very able to be a
victim,
and hell, we all know they can be criminals ;) Another scenario that
happens very frequently, is that a person is both a defendant and a
victim. 

I don't want the person entering data to scroll through hundreds, and
eventually thousands, of names to pick an attorney's name from among
the
list of everybody else in the system.

The idea I am working on presently is to add logical fields for each
designation to the table of names. For instances:

kNameID
txtLastName
txtFirstName
txtMI
txtSuffix
logAttorney
logADA
logJudge
logVictim
logDefendant

If I do this, I will have removed some fields that are currently
there,
such as:

txtAddress1
txtAddress2
txtCity
txtSt
txtZip
txtPhone

And, I will put these in another linked table. There may be a need to
have multiple addresses for the defendants, so this would be best I
think.

The problem that I am foreseeing here...I'm not at that point, so my
fears could be unfounded...is setting these fields to true and/or
false,
as needed.  Basically, thinking of victims for a minute here, the
defendant screen, which will actually be an "Indictment" screen, will
have a subform to hold potentially many victims for the indictment. If
a
victim IS already in the system as something else, I will need to tag
that name as a victim and I'm wondering if this will present
difficulties.

Well, I hope I am being clear enough. If anyone out there has any tips
for me, I would greatly appreciate it if you would pass them along.

Thank you!

John W Clark
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From Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com  Wed Aug 24 13:14:56 2005
From: Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com (Hale, Jim)
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 13:14:56 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] SQL to count delimiters in a string
Message-ID: <6A6AA9DF57E4F046BDA1E273BDDB67723377B2@corp-es01.fleetpride.com>

Thank you
Jim Hale

-----Original Message-----
From: A.D.Tejpal [mailto:adtp at touchtelindia.net]
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 12:58 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] SQL to count delimiters in a string


Jim,

    Sample query given below should get you the count of specified delimiter
in field named fldText. T_Data is the name of table.

    It makes use of function Fn_CountDelimiters() given below.

Best wishes,
A.D.Tejpal
--------------

Select Query
(Count of specified delimiter in field fldText) 
=================================
SELECT T_Data.fldText, Fn_CountDelimiters([fldText],"|") AS Occurences  FROM
T_Data;
=================================

User-Defined Function
(Count of specified delimiter (TxtDelimiter) 
  in a given string (TxtMain))
=================================
Function Fn_CountDelimiters(ByVal TxtMain _
                                As String, ByVal TxtDelimiter _
                                As String) As Long
    Fn_CountDelimiters = UBound(Split(TxtMain, TxtDelimiter))
End Function
=================================

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Hale, Jim 
  To: 'Accessd (E-mail) 
  Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 21:21
  Subject: [AccessD] SQL to count delimiters in a string


  Assume I have a text field in a table. Further assume that the text
strings are delimited by the pipe character "|". I want to know how many
pipe characters occur in each field, ie. the select statement should return:

  fldText                         Occurrences
  test|ddd|ww|ex                3
  fff|sss                             1
  eenie|meenie|minie|moe   3

  What is the correct SQL to produce the desired result? TIA

  Jim Hale
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From shamil at users.mns.ru  Wed Aug 24 13:19:36 2005
From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 22:19:36 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] SQL to count delimiters in a string
References: <1D7828CDB8350747AFE9D69E0E90DA1F14EA3F42@xlivmbx21.aig.com>
Message-ID: <002e01c5a8d8$6626d370$6501a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru>

Jim,

It can be done in one line - so it should be possible to do it in MS Access
SQL I think.

Inline test in immediate window:

?IIf(Len("Just|a|test") > 0, UBound(Split("Just|a|test", "|")), 0)
2

One of the possible solutions as VBA function (lines wrapped
this tricky way to let this code copy from this message and to paste
it into VBA module and compile it without errors):

Public Function CountDelimiters( _
                               ByVal vstrSource As String, _
                               ByVal vstrDelimiter As String) As Long
    CountDelimiters = IIf(Len(vstrSource) > 0, _
                                    UBound(Split(vstrSource, _
                                    vstrDelimiter)), 0)
End Function

HTH,
Shamil

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> Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 11:52 AM
> To: 'Accessd (E-mail)
> Subject: [AccessD] SQL to count delimiters in a string
>
>
> Assume I have a text field in a table. Further assume that the text
strings
> are delimited by the pipe character "|". I want to know how many pipe
> characters occur in each field, ie. the select statement should return:
>
> fldText                         Occurrences
> test|ddd|ww|ex                3
> fff|sss                             1
> eenie|meenie|minie|moe   3
>
> What is the correct SQL to produce the desired result? TIA
> Jim Hale
>
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From Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com  Wed Aug 24 13:16:09 2005
From: Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com (Hale, Jim)
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 13:16:09 -0500
Subject: FW: [AccessD] SQL to count delimiters in a string
Message-ID: <6A6AA9DF57E4F046BDA1E273BDDB67723377B3@corp-es01.fleetpride.com>

This looks interesting. I'll give it a try, thanks
Jim Hale

-----Original Message-----
From: catchrest at denverdb.com [mailto:catchrest at denverdb.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 11:25 AM
To: Jim.Hale at fleetpride.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] SQL to count delimiters in a string


Jim,

Please feel free to post this to the group, my webmail does not work with
the 
proper Reply To Settings.  This SQl will get you what you want, I would 
convert it to a Function, but here's the code:


DECLARE @str	VarChar(500)
DECLARE @x INT
DECLARE @Count INT

SET @str = 'st|ddd|ww|ex 3 fff|sss 1 eenie|meenie|minie|moe 3'

SET @x = CharIndex('|', @str,  1)
SET @Count = 0
WHILE @x <> 0
BEGIN
	SET @Count = @Count + 1
	SET @str = SubString(@str, @x + 1, 500)
	SET @x = CharIndex('|', @str)
END

PRINT @Count

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> characters occ
> ur in each field, ie. the select statement should retu
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> fldText                         Occurrences
> te
> st|ddd|ww|ex                3
> fff|sss                
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From DElam at jenkens.com  Wed Aug 24 13:20:07 2005
From: DElam at jenkens.com (Elam, Debbie)
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 13:20:07 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Logic issue
Message-ID: <7B1961ED924D1A459E378C9B1BB22B4C0492CCD9@natexch.jenkens.com>

Hmm, to get a smaller list you may need to have a field in person with their
"default" role.  As long as you allow for getting a larger list, this could
work nicely.

Debbie

-----Original Message-----
From: John Clark [mailto:John.Clark at niagaracounty.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 1:13 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Logic issue


It isn't really based on trials though. It is based on indictment
numbers, and these may or may not go to court...a defendant could plea
out before it hits trial, or charges could be dropped. I think we are on
the same page though, except it seems like you would pull all from this
table, which I would too, but I want to filter it for certain lists
(i.e. I don't want a thousand names showing up when I want to basically
choose from three judges). I don't mind including all names when adding
defendants, because it is probably necessary.

>>> DElam at jenkens.com 8/24/2005 1:47 PM >>>
I would actually have a table of people that includes everyone. 
Second, a
table of trials.  Link those two with a third table that has the
trialID,
personID and an ID indicating what role they had in the trial.  Given
the
cross connections and likely possibility of multiple people in one role
for
a trial, this is the only scalable solution.

Debbie

-----Original Message-----
From: John Clark [mailto:John.Clark at niagaracounty.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 12:36 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: [AccessD] Logic issue


Hi all

I am having trouble working out how I want to go about something, and
I
am hoping somebody here can give me a nudge. It doesn't sound
difficult,
but I'm running into dead-ends. I am starting to think that I will
just
have to go ahead and finish up with "whatever" and work around things.

I am doing a project for a district attorney's office, and it will
basically just keep tabs on everybody that passes through the system.
The problem is though that there are "Defendants", defense lawyers,
prosecuting lawyers, judges, and victims, and it isn't rare for a
single
person to cross into multiple lists. And, theoretically, it is
possible
to be in all lists. For instance there are many prosecuting lawyers
that
become defense attorneys, and it is not unlikely that one of these
attorneys could be a judge in the future. That scenario is very
possible, and you can add it that a lawyer is very able to be a
victim,
and hell, we all know they can be criminals ;) Another scenario that
happens very frequently, is that a person is both a defendant and a
victim. 

I don't want the person entering data to scroll through hundreds, and
eventually thousands, of names to pick an attorney's name from among
the
list of everybody else in the system.

The idea I am working on presently is to add logical fields for each
designation to the table of names. For instances:

kNameID
txtLastName
txtFirstName
txtMI
txtSuffix
logAttorney
logADA
logJudge
logVictim
logDefendant

If I do this, I will have removed some fields that are currently
there,
such as:

txtAddress1
txtAddress2
txtCity
txtSt
txtZip
txtPhone

And, I will put these in another linked table. There may be a need to
have multiple addresses for the defendants, so this would be best I
think.

The problem that I am foreseeing here...I'm not at that point, so my
fears could be unfounded...is setting these fields to true and/or
false,
as needed.  Basically, thinking of victims for a minute here, the
defendant screen, which will actually be an "Indictment" screen, will
have a subform to hold potentially many victims for the indictment. If
a
victim IS already in the system as something else, I will need to tag
that name as a victim and I'm wondering if this will present
difficulties.

Well, I hope I am being clear enough. If anyone out there has any tips
for me, I would greatly appreciate it if you would pass them along.

Thank you!

John W Clark
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Wed Aug 24 13:15:37 2005
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (DWUTKA at marlow.com)
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 13:15:37 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Logic issue
Message-ID: <123701F54509D9119A4F00D0B747349016DE55@main2.marlow.com>

I think you need to have a 'people' table.  Whether a person is a judge,
lawyer, defendant should be determined by relationships to the tables
relating to those designations.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John Clark [mailto:John.Clark at niagaracounty.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 12:36 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Logic issue


Hi all

I am having trouble working out how I want to go about something, and I
am hoping somebody here can give me a nudge. It doesn't sound difficult,
but I'm running into dead-ends. I am starting to think that I will just
have to go ahead and finish up with "whatever" and work around things.

I am doing a project for a district attorney's office, and it will
basically just keep tabs on everybody that passes through the system.
The problem is though that there are "Defendants", defense lawyers,
prosecuting lawyers, judges, and victims, and it isn't rare for a single
person to cross into multiple lists. And, theoretically, it is possible
to be in all lists. For instance there are many prosecuting lawyers that
become defense attorneys, and it is not unlikely that one of these
attorneys could be a judge in the future. That scenario is very
possible, and you can add it that a lawyer is very able to be a victim,
and hell, we all know they can be criminals ;) Another scenario that
happens very frequently, is that a person is both a defendant and a
victim. 

I don't want the person entering data to scroll through hundreds, and
eventually thousands, of names to pick an attorney's name from among the
list of everybody else in the system.

The idea I am working on presently is to add logical fields for each
designation to the table of names. For instances:

kNameID
txtLastName
txtFirstName
txtMI
txtSuffix
logAttorney
logADA
logJudge
logVictim
logDefendant

If I do this, I will have removed some fields that are currently there,
such as:

txtAddress1
txtAddress2
txtCity
txtSt
txtZip
txtPhone

And, I will put these in another linked table. There may be a need to
have multiple addresses for the defendants, so this would be best I
think.

The problem that I am foreseeing here...I'm not at that point, so my
fears could be unfounded...is setting these fields to true and/or false,
as needed.  Basically, thinking of victims for a minute here, the
defendant screen, which will actually be an "Indictment" screen, will
have a subform to hold potentially many victims for the indictment. If a
victim IS already in the system as something else, I will need to tag
that name as a victim and I'm wondering if this will present
difficulties.

Well, I hope I am being clear enough. If anyone out there has any tips
for me, I would greatly appreciate it if you would pass them along.

Thank you!

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From John.Clark at niagaracounty.com  Wed Aug 24 13:50:23 2005
From: John.Clark at niagaracounty.com (John Clark)
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 14:50:23 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Logic issue
Message-ID: <s30c896f.003@nebnov3.niagaracounty.com>

Well, I don't know if they so much need a "default" role. I've got to
enter the name in at some point, and I guess at that time they could get
their initial designation...maybe even automatically, dependant on where
I call it from.

Since writing my initial "cry for help," I've been experimenting with a
"names" table (close to a person table Drew) that has the fields I
mentioned. I then made a query for each logical field, which I would
probably make a single sql statement for if I go this way, to test it
out. It works pretty well and gives me proper results. Now I've just got
to experiment w/getting data in...believe it or not I don't use
recordsets very much and I think that is what I'll need to do here.

I've gotta leave here soon for the night and take my kids to music
lessons, but I'll be hitting it again tomorrow AM.

>>> DElam at jenkens.com 8/24/2005 2:20 PM >>>
Hmm, to get a smaller list you may need to have a field in person with
their
"default" role.  As long as you allow for getting a larger list, this
could
work nicely.

Debbie

-----Original Message-----
From: John Clark [mailto:John.Clark at niagaracounty.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 1:13 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Logic issue


It isn't really based on trials though. It is based on indictment
numbers, and these may or may not go to court...a defendant could plea
out before it hits trial, or charges could be dropped. I think we are
on
the same page though, except it seems like you would pull all from
this
table, which I would too, but I want to filter it for certain lists
(i.e. I don't want a thousand names showing up when I want to
basically
choose from three judges). I don't mind including all names when
adding
defendants, because it is probably necessary.

>>> DElam at jenkens.com 8/24/2005 1:47 PM >>>
I would actually have a table of people that includes everyone. 
Second, a
table of trials.  Link those two with a third table that has the
trialID,
personID and an ID indicating what role they had in the trial.  Given
the
cross connections and likely possibility of multiple people in one
role
for
a trial, this is the only scalable solution.

Debbie

-----Original Message-----
From: John Clark [mailto:John.Clark at niagaracounty.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 12:36 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: [AccessD] Logic issue


Hi all

I am having trouble working out how I want to go about something, and
I
am hoping somebody here can give me a nudge. It doesn't sound
difficult,
but I'm running into dead-ends. I am starting to think that I will
just
have to go ahead and finish up with "whatever" and work around things.

I am doing a project for a district attorney's office, and it will
basically just keep tabs on everybody that passes through the system.
The problem is though that there are "Defendants", defense lawyers,
prosecuting lawyers, judges, and victims, and it isn't rare for a
single
person to cross into multiple lists. And, theoretically, it is
possible
to be in all lists. For instance there are many prosecuting lawyers
that
become defense attorneys, and it is not unlikely that one of these
attorneys could be a judge in the future. That scenario is very
possible, and you can add it that a lawyer is very able to be a
victim,
and hell, we all know they can be criminals ;) Another scenario that
happens very frequently, is that a person is both a defendant and a
victim. 

I don't want the person entering data to scroll through hundreds, and
eventually thousands, of names to pick an attorney's name from among
the
list of everybody else in the system.

The idea I am working on presently is to add logical fields for each
designation to the table of names. For instances:

kNameID
txtLastName
txtFirstName
txtMI
txtSuffix
logAttorney
logADA
logJudge
logVictim
logDefendant

If I do this, I will have removed some fields that are currently
there,
such as:

txtAddress1
txtAddress2
txtCity
txtSt
txtZip
txtPhone

And, I will put these in another linked table. There may be a need to
have multiple addresses for the defendants, so this would be best I
think.

The problem that I am foreseeing here...I'm not at that point, so my
fears could be unfounded...is setting these fields to true and/or
false,
as needed.  Basically, thinking of victims for a minute here, the
defendant screen, which will actually be an "Indictment" screen, will
have a subform to hold potentially many victims for the indictment. If
a
victim IS already in the system as something else, I will need to tag
that name as a victim and I'm wondering if this will present
difficulties.

Well, I hope I am being clear enough. If anyone out there has any tips
for me, I would greatly appreciate it if you would pass them along.

Thank you!

John W Clark
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed Aug 24 15:00:41 2005
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 13:00:41 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Logic issue
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86873BEF@infoserver01.infostat.local>

An associative table is also called a join table.  It contains one
record for each combination of keys that occurs in a many to many
relationship.  So if you have a tblPeople and a tblIndictments, you
could have a tblPeopleIndictments that would contain a record for each
occuring people-indictment combination.

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: John Clark [mailto:John.Clark at niagaracounty.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 11:03 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Logic issue


I'm not sure what you mean

>>> prosoft6 at hotmail.com 8/24/2005 1:51 PM >>>
John,

Have you thought about using an associative table, where the many to
many 
problems are conquered?  What does the rest of the list think about 
associative tables?



Julie Reardon-Taylor
PRO-SOFT OF NY, INC.
44 Public Square Suite #5
Watertown, NY 13601
Phone/Fax: (315) 785-0319
www.pro-soft.net 


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From dejpolsys at hotmail.com  Wed Aug 24 15:31:39 2005
From: dejpolsys at hotmail.com (William Hindman)
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 16:31:39 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Logic issue
References: <s30c80da.061@nebnov3.niagaracounty.com>
Message-ID: <BAY103-DAV10BD9D9093219CC3B6E34EAEA80@phx.gbl>

..list filters ...your opening form becomes a text box and a list to select 
from ...you open the form with no recordset ...you user types the first two 
characters of the last name in the text box ...the change event capture the 
2nd letter entry, appends an asterisk to it and requeries the list box using 
the XX* as your SQL recordset filter ...as the list box fills the user can 
either select from it to open a new form using opening arguments ...or they 
can continue adding letters to the text box and the list box requeries each 
time with a shorter and shorter list to select from.

..I use this approach in most of my mdbs where there are thousands of names 
to select from but I don't want to pull them all across the network.

..it sounds complicated but once setup, it works like a charm ...I usually 
place an option group at the top that defaults to what people are commonly 
looking for but allows them to filter on other sets if needed.

..the table design ...normalization says if its not unique it belongs in a 
separate table ...we all try but fall short ...but if the focus of the mdb 
is indictments then you start there ...and you keep it simple ...an INDICTID 
AN and a type field ...then the entity table ...not names or people because 
companies and orgs get charged as well as people ...so an ENTID AN and a 
type ...individual or company or organization, etc. and any other fields 
that would be unique ...and then an address table, and a "role" type table.

..then you create a join table with the INDICTID and ENTID and add a role 
type ID and start and end dates.

..the join table weds the Indictment with the Entity and the role they 
played in the indictment process with dates ...thus if an Entity changes 
roles during the indictment process, you can capture the change and display 
it in a tabbed subform without a lot of hassle.

..this is off the top of my head of course but I've built more than a few 
on that basic structure ...hth :)

William

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Clark" <John.Clark at niagaracounty.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 2:12 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Logic issue


> It isn't really based on trials though. It is based on indictment
> numbers, and these may or may not go to court...a defendant could plea
> out before it hits trial, or charges could be dropped. I think we are on
> the same page though, except it seems like you would pull all from this
> table, which I would too, but I want to filter it for certain lists
> (i.e. I don't want a thousand names showing up when I want to basically
> choose from three judges). I don't mind including all names when adding
> defendants, because it is probably necessary.
>
>>>> DElam at jenkens.com 8/24/2005 1:47 PM >>>
> I would actually have a table of people that includes everyone.
> Second, a
> table of trials.  Link those two with a third table that has the
> trialID,
> personID and an ID indicating what role they had in the trial.  Given
> the
> cross connections and likely possibility of multiple people in one role
> for
> a trial, this is the only scalable solution.
>
> Debbie
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Clark [mailto:John.Clark at niagaracounty.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 12:36 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Logic issue
>
>
> Hi all
>
> I am having trouble working out how I want to go about something, and
> I
> am hoping somebody here can give me a nudge. It doesn't sound
> difficult,
> but I'm running into dead-ends. I am starting to think that I will
> just
> have to go ahead and finish up with "whatever" and work around things.
>
> I am doing a project for a district attorney's office, and it will
> basically just keep tabs on everybody that passes through the system.
> The problem is though that there are "Defendants", defense lawyers,
> prosecuting lawyers, judges, and victims, and it isn't rare for a
> single
> person to cross into multiple lists. And, theoretically, it is
> possible
> to be in all lists. For instance there are many prosecuting lawyers
> that
> become defense attorneys, and it is not unlikely that one of these
> attorneys could be a judge in the future. That scenario is very
> possible, and you can add it that a lawyer is very able to be a
> victim,
> and hell, we all know they can be criminals ;) Another scenario that
> happens very frequently, is that a person is both a defendant and a
> victim.
>
> I don't want the person entering data to scroll through hundreds, and
> eventually thousands, of names to pick an attorney's name from among
> the
> list of everybody else in the system.
>
> The idea I am working on presently is to add logical fields for each
> designation to the table of names. For instances:
>
> kNameID
> txtLastName
> txtFirstName
> txtMI
> txtSuffix
> logAttorney
> logADA
> logJudge
> logVictim
> logDefendant
>
> If I do this, I will have removed some fields that are currently
> there,
> such as:
>
> txtAddress1
> txtAddress2
> txtCity
> txtSt
> txtZip
> txtPhone
>
> And, I will put these in another linked table. There may be a need to
> have multiple addresses for the defendants, so this would be best I
> think.
>
> The problem that I am foreseeing here...I'm not at that point, so my
> fears could be unfounded...is setting these fields to true and/or
> false,
> as needed.  Basically, thinking of victims for a minute here, the
> defendant screen, which will actually be an "Indictment" screen, will
> have a subform to hold potentially many victims for the indictment. If
> a
> victim IS already in the system as something else, I will need to tag
> that name as a victim and I'm wondering if this will present
> difficulties.
>
> Well, I hope I am being clear enough. If anyone out there has any tips
> for me, I would greatly appreciate it if you would pass them along.
>
> Thank you!
>
> John W Clark
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From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com  Wed Aug 24 15:36:22 2005
From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester)
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 15:36:22 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Do While Loop Problem
Message-ID: <F1DD538AE6BCE74EBE562DE51564D322FAC7B0@houexch1.kindermorgan.com>

The following code generates a no current record error on the do while
line. I thought it should exit the do loop when EOF = false was reached.
Thanks.

 

Do While myds.Fields(2) < myds5.Fields(2) Or myds.EOF = True

            'some lines of code

            myds.MoveNext

 Loop

 

Chester Kaup

Engineering Technician

Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP

Office (432) 688-3797

FAX (432) 688-3799

 

 

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed Aug 24 15:48:55 2005
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 13:48:55 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Do While Loop Problem
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86873BF0@infoserver01.infostat.local>

The problem is that it tries to evalute the first conditon before it
checks for EOF.  Try this instead:

Do While myds.EOF = false
	If myds.Fields(2) < myds5.Fields(2) Then

            'some lines of code
	End If

      myds.MoveNext
 Loop

 

Charlotte


-----Original Message-----
From: Kaup, Chester [mailto:Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 1:36 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Do While Loop Problem


The following code generates a no current record error on the do while
line. I thought it should exit the do loop when EOF = false was reached.
Thanks.

 

Do While myds.Fields(2) < myds5.Fields(2) Or myds.EOF = True

            'some lines of code

            myds.MoveNext

 Loop

 

Chester Kaup

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From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com  Wed Aug 24 15:49:33 2005
From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 16:49:33 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Do While Loop Problem
Message-ID: <1D7828CDB8350747AFE9D69E0E90DA1F14EA4034@xlivmbx21.aig.com>

When you hit EOF the expression myds.Fields(2) cannot be evaluated. You need
two distinct tests...

Do While Not myds.EOF
	If myds.Fields(2) < myds5.Fields(2)

            'some lines of code
	End If
     myds.MoveNext
Loop


Now if access had 'short circuit' conditional testing you could have
written...

Do While Not myds.EOF And myds.Fields(2) < myds5.Fields(2)

...which would have exited the loop when the EOF condition failed, and
before the other test was done. But alas you can't. Access does checks all
the conditions, even if the first one would terminate the loop.

Lambert

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 4:36 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Do While Loop Problem


The following code generates a no current record error on the do while line.
I thought it should exit the do loop when EOF = false was reached. Thanks.

 

Do While myds.Fields(2) < myds5.Fields(2) Or myds.EOF = True

            'some lines of code

            myds.MoveNext

 Loop

 

Chester Kaup

Engineering Technician

Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP

Office (432) 688-3797

FAX (432) 688-3799

 

 

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From pharold at proftesting.com  Wed Aug 24 15:53:02 2005
From: pharold at proftesting.com (Perry L Harold)
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 16:53:02 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Do While Loop Problem
Message-ID: <00F5FCB4F80FDB4EB03FBAAEAD97CEAD0A955D@EXCHANGE.ptiorl.local>

If myds.eof = true can't movenext ?

Perry Harold

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 4:36 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Do While Loop Problem

The following code generates a no current record error on the do while
line. I thought it should exit the do loop when EOF = false was reached.
Thanks.

 

Do While myds.Fields(2) < myds5.Fields(2) Or myds.EOF = True

            'some lines of code

            myds.MoveNext

 Loop

 

Chester Kaup

Engineering Technician

Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP

Office (432) 688-3797

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From frank at fhsservices.co.uk  Wed Aug 24 16:21:59 2005
From: frank at fhsservices.co.uk (Frank Hill)
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 22:21:59 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Logic issue
In-Reply-To: <s30c7846.084@nebnov3.niagaracounty.com>
Message-ID: <20050824212808.97DB113C6BD@smtp-node1.griffin.com>

Here's a different solution!
If you have a checkbox for each title or position that can be applicable to
each person represented through the database then, on the client form of any
of people the list the checkboxes will indicate positives for the applicable
option.
So, Jack Jones can have the boxes ticked for Defence attorney, prosecuting
attorney, Judge etc. etc. The final checkbox (no 9 on my sample) can be set
to "Other" and have an associated textbox in the table which will only be
displayed it no 9 is ticked and the text will be entered into the open,
blank textbox for storage and later retrieval.
The trick here is to combine the bit value of each checkbox to obtain a
unique value for the combination of boxes ticked.
I have a small database of the principle as a working example which I can
forward to anybody who would like to see it.
The AccessD list is limited to a 30K unit size and will not allow me to
attach the sample to this text

Kind regards,
 
Frank Hill

Kind regards,
 
Frank Hill

 

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Clark
Sent: 24 August 2005 18:36
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Logic issue

Hi all

I am having trouble working out how I want to go about something, and I
am hoping somebody here can give me a nudge. It doesn't sound difficult,
but I'm running into dead-ends. I am starting to think that I will just
have to go ahead and finish up with "whatever" and work around things.

I am doing a project for a district attorney's office, and it will
basically just keep tabs on everybody that passes through the system.
The problem is though that there are "Defendants", defense lawyers,
prosecuting lawyers, judges, and victims, and it isn't rare for a single
person to cross into multiple lists. And, theoretically, it is possible
to be in all lists. For instance there are many prosecuting lawyers that
become defense attorneys, and it is not unlikely that one of these
attorneys could be a judge in the future. That scenario is very
possible, and you can add it that a lawyer is very able to be a victim,
and hell, we all know they can be criminals ;) Another scenario that
happens very frequently, is that a person is both a defendant and a
victim. 

I don't want the person entering data to scroll through hundreds, and
eventually thousands, of names to pick an attorney's name from among the
list of everybody else in the system.

The idea I am working on presently is to add logical fields for each
designation to the table of names. For instances:

kNameID
txtLastName
txtFirstName
txtMI
txtSuffix
logAttorney
logADA
logJudge
logVictim
logDefendant

If I do this, I will have removed some fields that are currently there,
such as:

txtAddress1
txtAddress2
txtCity
txtSt
txtZip
txtPhone

And, I will put these in another linked table. There may be a need to
have multiple addresses for the defendants, so this would be best I
think.

The problem that I am foreseeing here...I'm not at that point, so my
fears could be unfounded...is setting these fields to true and/or false,
as needed.  Basically, thinking of victims for a minute here, the
defendant screen, which will actually be an "Indictment" screen, will
have a subform to hold potentially many victims for the indictment. If a
victim IS already in the system as something else, I will need to tag
that name as a victim and I'm wondering if this will present
difficulties.

Well, I hope I am being clear enough. If anyone out there has any tips
for me, I would greatly appreciate it if you would pass them along.

Thank you!

John W Clark
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Aug 24 16:29:36 2005
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 17:29:36 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Control codes to a printer
Message-ID: <014701c5a8f2$ed496790$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

I need to send a series of hex characters to an Epson receipt printer to
execute the cutting.  Hex characters are 1d 56 42 20  The printer is TCP/IP
so I have an IP address stored in a table and hidden in a form that is open
when the print command is executed.  This is a Win98 environment.  Does
anyone already have something similar.

John W. Colby
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From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com  Wed Aug 24 16:30:30 2005
From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester)
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 16:30:30 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Do While Loop Problem
Message-ID: <F1DD538AE6BCE74EBE562DE51564D322FAC7D2@houexch1.kindermorgan.com>

Thanks all!

-----Original Message-----
From: Heenan, Lambert [mailto:Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 3:50 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Cc: Kaup, Chester
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Do While Loop Problem

When you hit EOF the expression myds.Fields(2) cannot be evaluated. You
need
two distinct tests...

Do While Not myds.EOF
	If myds.Fields(2) < myds5.Fields(2)

            'some lines of code
	End If
     myds.MoveNext
Loop


Now if access had 'short circuit' conditional testing you could have
written...

Do While Not myds.EOF And myds.Fields(2) < myds5.Fields(2)

...which would have exited the loop when the EOF condition failed, and
before the other test was done. But alas you can't. Access does checks
all
the conditions, even if the first one would terminate the loop.

Lambert

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 4:36 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Do While Loop Problem


The following code generates a no current record error on the do while
line.
I thought it should exit the do loop when EOF = false was reached.
Thanks.

 

Do While myds.Fields(2) < myds5.Fields(2) Or myds.EOF = True

            'some lines of code

            myds.MoveNext

 Loop

 

Chester Kaup

Engineering Technician

Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP

Office (432) 688-3797

FAX (432) 688-3799

 

 

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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Wed Aug 24 12:16:52 2005
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 10:16:52 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Change of circumstances
References: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C8318807225F12@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>
Message-ID: <430CAB84.2020505@shaw.ca>

One thing to check out is the split day's type of jobs, especially in 
the civil service
In other words you get a partner and one works 2 days, the other 3 days.
My sisterinlaw did this in her government department in Alberta so 
people could attend university.
during the day. She is in charge of HR. Wouldn't work for engineers they 
have 40 class hours a week,
but arts generally have less then 20 hours. Now she is getting request 
from women with autistic kids etc.
She calls the programmers doing this extreme programmers with some lag.
The participants set up there own internal blog to keep track of what is 
happening.

Roz Clarke wrote:

>Well remembered John, I will do
>
>:)
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Johncliviger at aol.com [mailto:Johncliviger at aol.com] 
>Sent: 24 August 2005 12:24
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Change of circumstances
>
>
>Roz
> 
>I think your are in the Manchester, England area, if I'm right email me a
>cv 
>at _databaseuk at aol.com_ (mailto:databaseuk at aol.com) 
> 
>John
>  
>
>  
>
>  
>

-- 
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Victoria, B.C.
Canada





From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Wed Aug 24 19:46:18 2005
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 10:46:18 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Control codes to a printer
In-Reply-To: <014701c5a8f2$ed496790$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <430DA17A.277.2AB9E68@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

On 24 Aug 2005 at 17:29, John W. Colby wrote:

> I need to send a series of hex characters to an Epson receipt printer to
> execute the cutting.  Hex characters are 1d 56 42 20  The printer is TCP/IP
> so I have an IP address stored in a table and hidden in a form that is open
> when the print command is executed.  This is a Win98 environment.  Does
> anyone already have something similar.
> 

What happens if you open the port and print to it, something like:

OPEN "IP:010.010.010.010" FOR OUTPUT AS  #1
PRINT #1, CHR$(&H1D);CHR$(&H56),CHR$(&H42);CHR$(&H20)
CLOSE #1



-- 
Stuart




From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Aug 24 22:23:01 2005
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 23:23:01 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Building SQL statement
Message-ID: <015101c5a924$4f937db0$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

I'm attempting to build a SQL statement to append data into a record.  One
of the fields is text, including (possibly) any valid text including ' - for
example in contractions such as "aren't" etc.

My SQL statement is building up a statement in the format:

            lstrSQL = "INSERT INTO WebNewsItem ( WebNewsSourceID, Link,
Title, ArticleDescription ) " & _
                        "SELECT " & webNewsSourceID & " AS WebNewsSourceID,
'" & link & "' AS Link, '" & title & "' AS Title, '" & description & "' AS
ArticleDescription;"

The problem is that description can contain the ' character and thus I end
up with an invalid SQL statement since the ' embedded in description "looks
like" the ' that is supposed to enclose the text.

I can't for the life of me remember how I am supposed to handle this.

I could punt and open a recordset, create a new record, and place the data
directly into the field, which I may end up doing but I sure would prefer to
just do the "append query" thing.  It is (was) much simpler.

John W. Colby
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Wed Aug 24 22:30:07 2005
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 13:30:07 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Building SQL statement
In-Reply-To: <015101c5a924$4f937db0$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <430DC7DF.564.341991F@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

On 24 Aug 2005 at 23:23, John W. Colby wrote:

> 
> The problem is that description can contain the ' character and thus I end
> up with an invalid SQL statement since the ' embedded in description "looks
> like" the ' that is supposed to enclose the text.
> 
> I can't for the life of me remember how I am supposed to handle this.
> 

Description = Replace(Description,"'","''")

That's a single quote between double quotes as the second parameter and two 
single quotes between double quotes as the third parameter.

Double up the single quote "escapes" it in the input string

-- 
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Aug 24 22:43:23 2005
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 23:43:23 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Building SQL statement
In-Reply-To: <430DC7DF.564.341991F@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <015201c5a927$2960de00$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

So I have to search the input string looking for all single quote '
characters and replace it with two single quote characters ''?  I was afraid
of that.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 11:30 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Building SQL statement


On 24 Aug 2005 at 23:23, John W. Colby wrote:

> 
> The problem is that description can contain the ' character and thus I 
> end up with an invalid SQL statement since the ' embedded in 
> description "looks like" the ' that is supposed to enclose the text.
> 
> I can't for the life of me remember how I am supposed to handle this.
> 

Description = Replace(Description,"'","''")

That's a single quote between double quotes as the second parameter and two 
single quotes between double quotes as the third parameter.

Double up the single quote "escapes" it in the input string

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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Aug 25 00:13:14 2005
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 15:13:14 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Building SQL statement
In-Reply-To: <015201c5a927$2960de00$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>
References: <430DC7DF.564.341991F@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <430DE00A.690.39FFEF4@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

On 24 Aug 2005 at 23:43, John W. Colby wrote:

> So I have to search the input string looking for all single quote '
> characters and replace it with two single quote characters ''?  I was afraid
> of that.
> 

No, you don't have to look for them all. Just use the Replace() function on 
every string as a precaution.

-- 
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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Thu Aug 25 02:03:22 2005
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 00:03:22 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] MDE question
References: <000001c5a3b0$dfc37f30$6401a8c0@laptop1>
	<4305159C.15609.389644@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <430D6D3A.6000000@shaw.ca>

This might be a bit of help
http://accesstools.narod.ru/index.html

 MDE forms/reports extractor v2.1 MS Access 2000 add-in 
  This utility is designed to allow you to extract the forms, reports 
and macros from mde file to mdb (without the form/report class module 
code). 
   In other word just the form, report design no code behind forms

Stuart McLachlan wrote:

>On 18 Aug 2005 at 8:44, John W. Colby wrote:
>
> 
>  
>
>>CONTAINER:  If your users use A97, A2K, AXP and A2003, it should be possible
>>to build the mde in and A97 container and all of these versions should be
>>able to open the thing and use it. 
>>    
>>
>
>No!  Definitely not. A2K/XP can't open an A97 MDE.  If you try, will be 
>asked whether you want to open or convert it, but which ever option you 
>choose, you will then get a msgbox saying "You can't convert or enable an 
>MDE file."  You can link to it or import the tables and queries from it but 
>you can't open or run it.
>
>I'm running into this frequently at present.  I'm upgrading all the inhouse 
>applications for a group of companies.  Many of these were created by 
>dabblers and they are a real mess.  Unfortunately some of them are only 
>available as MDEs and they are totally unconvertible.  Best I can do is 
>extract the data and recreate the functionality in a new FE.
>
>
>
>
>  
>

-- 
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Victoria, B.C.
Canada




From fhtapia at gmail.com  Thu Aug 25 02:40:53 2005
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 00:40:53 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] MDE question
In-Reply-To: <E1E5o3h-00029q-IK@smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net>
References: <4304B2E3.16275.1A65F03@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<E1E5o3h-00029q-IK@smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <b874372a050825004039a6bc96@mail.gmail.com>

another method for distribution and not worrying about what version your 
user have is to deploy your mde with a runtime. This way you can ensure that 
your db will work fine. W/ the latest sagekey scripts (wise installer). it 
is possible to deploy a runtime A) doesn't need the digital certificate and 
B) it keeps context menus for importing and exporting data for merging w/ 
excel/word. of course there's the added benefit w/ sage that you won't have 
to worry about a user haveing their install conflict w/ an existing Access 
version on the users machine.



On 8/18/05, Joe Hecht <jmhecht at earthlink.net> wrote:
> 
> So I should write in XP and then port up to 2K3.
> Ten user would need to select proper version for their system.
> 
> Or start in 2K3 and go down to XP.
> 
> I would have 2 mde files of same app.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart 
> McLachlan
> Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 11:10 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] MDE question
> 
> On 17 Aug 2005 at 21:53, Joe Hecht wrote:
> 
> > If I do an app in Access 2K3 and make an .mde out if it will older
> versions
> > of Access be able to use it?
> >
> 
> No, and future versions probably won't be able to either - at least that's
> been the case up to now.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --
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> 
> 
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From roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk  Thu Aug 25 03:37:01 2005
From: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk (Roz Clarke)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 09:37:01 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] test
Message-ID: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C8318807225F26@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>

The working title is "The Boa Constrictor"

No more on that 'til Friday :D

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Lawrence [mailto:accessd at shaw.ca] 
Sent: 24 August 2005 18:20
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] test


Hi Roz:

Check, your company they might have started removing a 'past' employee from
the email accounts a tad early. :-) 

Jim 
PS Great move; so what is the working title of new book?

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Roz Clarke
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 6:33 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] test

Still didn't get my own email - and I have checked my list settings - but it
could be something at this end.

-----Original Message-----
From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net] 
Sent: 24 August 2005 14:26
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] test


passed 

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Roz Clarke
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 7:51 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] test

testing - not seeing my own mails to the list today

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From tom.bolton at donnslaw.co.uk  Thu Aug 25 05:08:34 2005
From: tom.bolton at donnslaw.co.uk (Tom Bolton)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 11:08:34 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Logic issue
Message-ID: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C831880802A31D@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>

Right, although this *might* be simplifying a little.

We (Roz and I) work for a big Law firm who use a software package called...
wait for it... Case.  Conceptually, the basic object is a 'case', which will
have (amongst other things) the following:

	- Capacities
	- Entities
	- Details
	- Activities

It's best to think of the 'case' as the container for the capacities,
details etc. within.  These are almost like properties and methods of a
class; come to think of it they probably are.

Capacities are types of a person or persons, such as Claimant, Client,
Defendant, Police, Third-party Insurer etc.  Entities are instances of those
capacities, i.e. an instance of the Defendant capacity could be Mr. Smith
who would be the entity.  A bit like a UDT, capacities have several
associated properties (name, address etc.)  Capacities can be linked to each
other (eg. Def. and Def. insurer) using an extremely convoluted method
called the 'acting for' which makes me shudder just thinking about it.

Details are more basic 'properties'.  Common ones we use are Claimant's
Vehicle Registration, Defendant's Policy Number etc.

Activities can be thought of as Methods of a class, and will 'do' certain
things like produce a letter to Defendant's Solicitor.  By the sounds of it,
these wouldn't be that important to you.

Discussing this with Roz, she pointed out that having all the capacity types
in one big list has never phased our 200+ users who are at all points on the
spectrum in terms of computer literacy.  Trust us, just bung 'em all in
together.  Give each capacity a type, and leave it at that.

To sum up, each 'case' has 'capacities' (people), 'details' (things), and
'activities' (methods to perform tasks in your 'case'.)

I've horrendously over-simplified a piece of software it's taken me 6 months
to find my way around so if none of it makes sense, please do ask!

HTH in some small way
Tom




-----Original Message-----
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com] 
Sent: 24-Aug-2005 19:16
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Logic issue

I think you need to have a 'people' table.  Whether a person is a judge,
lawyer, defendant should be determined by relationships to the tables
relating to those designations.

Drew

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From zora_db at yahoo.com  Thu Aug 25 05:08:03 2005
From: zora_db at yahoo.com (Roz Clarke)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 11:08:03 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [AccessD] Change of circumstances
In-Reply-To: <430CAB84.2020505@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <20050825100803.49431.qmail@web50101.mail.yahoo.com>

A good idea. Public bodies here are also much more flexible than most commercial employers, and
try to encourage jobshare and so on.

Do people have to provide their own partners, or does she pair them up?

--- MartyConnelly <martyconnelly at shaw.ca> wrote:

> One thing to check out is the split day's type of jobs, especially in 
> the civil service
> In other words you get a partner and one works 2 days, the other 3 days.
> My sisterinlaw did this in her government department in Alberta so 
> people could attend university.
> during the day. She is in charge of HR. Wouldn't work for engineers they 
> have 40 class hours a week,
> but arts generally have less then 20 hours. Now she is getting request 
> from women with autistic kids etc.
> She calls the programmers doing this extreme programmers with some lag.
> The participants set up there own internal blog to keep track of what is 
> happening.
> 
> Roz Clarke wrote:
> 
> >Well remembered John, I will do
> >
> >:)
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Johncliviger at aol.com [mailto:Johncliviger at aol.com] 
> >Sent: 24 August 2005 12:24
> >To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> >Subject: Re: [AccessD] Change of circumstances
> >
> >
> >Roz
> > 
> >I think your are in the Manchester, England area, if I'm right email me a
> >cv 
> >at _databaseuk at aol.com_ (mailto:databaseuk at aol.com) 
> > 
> >John
> >  
> >
> >  
> >
> >  
> >
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From zora_db at yahoo.com  Thu Aug 25 05:30:02 2005
From: zora_db at yahoo.com (Roz Clarke)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 11:30:02 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [AccessD] Logic issue
In-Reply-To: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C831880802A31D@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>
Message-ID: <20050825103003.85207.qmail@web50109.mail.yahoo.com>

To tie this back to the dicussion about join tables (what I always called 'resolution' tables
because they resolve a many to many relationship), entities in the system are linked to cases via
an 'Involvements' table. This is like the idea of roles that Debbie mentioned.

So there is a big ol' library of entities (people & organisations). There is a customisable lookup
of standard capacities: Claimant, Defendant, Counsel etc. Entities are attached to cases by the
'involvement' which also gives the capacity in which they are involved; their role in the case.

This is great, because it means that we get the advantages of having all our entities in one big
table (reduces danger of duplication, which is a HUGE issue, makes finding individuals possible
when you don't know what their role might have been, etc.), and we also get the advantages of
categorisation; you can see what kinds of involvement individuals and organisations have had in
your cases.

If your search works well, and I like William's idea for dynamic filtering, there is no drawback
to having everything jammed in together. Case's searches aren't great, but they are quick, and the
users are perfectly happy, as Tom said.

Another thing the system does that you may want to consider is allow you to set defaults, so that
when you open a new case (indictment, for you) you can answer a couple of questions and it will
then pre-populate not only involvements, but details and diary entries.

The bit that doesn't work properly is attaching additional attributes to the involvements, and
you'll want to make sure you can crack this; we can add custom details such as 'Defendant's
vehicle registration' but we can't link them to a specific defendant involvement without jumping
through a lot of hoops (especially as you might have several entities attached to a case all in
the same capacity, multiple witnesses for example).

I don't know if the same holds for you, but we are required by the Law Society to undertake
conflict checks, which means that we *need* to know if our client has been the third party in
another case. This is another thing Case doesn't do very well because the front end is badly
implemented, but the table structure allows you to get the information out easily enough.

--- Tom Bolton <tom.bolton at donnslaw.co.uk> wrote:

> Right, although this *might* be simplifying a little.
> 
> We (Roz and I) work for a big Law firm who use a software package called...
> wait for it... Case.  Conceptually, the basic object is a 'case', which will
> have (amongst other things) the following:
> 
> 	- Capacities
> 	- Entities
> 	- Details
> 	- Activities
> 
> It's best to think of the 'case' as the container for the capacities,
> details etc. within.  These are almost like properties and methods of a
> class; come to think of it they probably are.
> 
> Capacities are types of a person or persons, such as Claimant, Client,
> Defendant, Police, Third-party Insurer etc.  Entities are instances of those
> capacities, i.e. an instance of the Defendant capacity could be Mr. Smith
> who would be the entity.  A bit like a UDT, capacities have several
> associated properties (name, address etc.)  Capacities can be linked to each
> other (eg. Def. and Def. insurer) using an extremely convoluted method
> called the 'acting for' which makes me shudder just thinking about it.
> 
> Details are more basic 'properties'.  Common ones we use are Claimant's
> Vehicle Registration, Defendant's Policy Number etc.
> 
> Activities can be thought of as Methods of a class, and will 'do' certain
> things like produce a letter to Defendant's Solicitor.  By the sounds of it,
> these wouldn't be that important to you.
> 
> Discussing this with Roz, she pointed out that having all the capacity types
> in one big list has never phased our 200+ users who are at all points on the
> spectrum in terms of computer literacy.  Trust us, just bung 'em all in
> together.  Give each capacity a type, and leave it at that.
> 
> To sum up, each 'case' has 'capacities' (people), 'details' (things), and
> 'activities' (methods to perform tasks in your 'case'.)
> 
> I've horrendously over-simplified a piece of software it's taken me 6 months
> to find my way around so if none of it makes sense, please do ask!
> 
> HTH in some small way
> Tom
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DWUTKA at marlow.com [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com] 
> Sent: 24-Aug-2005 19:16
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Logic issue
> 
> I think you need to have a 'people' table.  Whether a person is a judge,
> lawyer, defendant should be determined by relationships to the tables
> relating to those designations.
> 
> Drew
> 
> > 
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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Aug 25 05:57:04 2005
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 12:57:04 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] SQL to count delimiters in a string
Message-ID: <s30dc044.069@cactus.dk>

Hi Jim

Here's the real simple method:

  SELECT
    Len([fldText])-Len(Replace([fldText], '|', '')) AS Occurrences
  FROM ...

If you expect Null values use:
    Len([fldText])-Len(Replace('' & [fldText], '|', '')) AS
Occurrences
to prevent errors.

If you want a count of zero even for Null values:
    Len('' & [fldText])-Len(Replace('' & [fldText], '|', '')) AS
Occurrences

For Access 97 and below you'll need to supply the Replace() function
too.

/gustav


>>> Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com 24-08-2005 17:51 >>>
Assume I have a text field in a table. Further assume that the text
strings
are delimited by the pipe character "|". I want to know how many pipe
characters occur in each field, ie. the select statement should
return:

fldText                         Occurrences
test|ddd|ww|ex                3
fff|sss                             1
eenie|meenie|minie|moe   3

What is the correct SQL to produce the desired result? TIA
Jim Hale



From artful at rogers.com  Thu Aug 25 07:07:46 2005
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 08:07:46 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Logic issue
In-Reply-To: <123701F54509D9119A4F00D0B747349016DE55@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <200508251207.j7PC7oR22410@databaseadvisors.com>

I agree with Drew but I would take the idea a little further, adding an
associative (bridge) table tblPersonRoles, allowing a many-to-many
relationship between Persons and Roles. I would also add a date range to the
tblPersonRoles table, so that I could note that Person X was a prosecutor
until 1999, when she became a judge, and then in 2004 she was charged with
drunk driving and became a defendant.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of DWUTKA at marlow.com
Sent: August 24, 2005 2:16 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Logic issue

I think you need to have a 'people' table.  Whether a person is a judge,
lawyer, defendant should be determined by relationships to the tables
relating to those designations.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John Clark [mailto:John.Clark at niagaracounty.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 12:36 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Logic issue


Hi all

I am having trouble working out how I want to go about something, and I
am hoping somebody here can give me a nudge. It doesn't sound difficult,
but I'm running into dead-ends. I am starting to think that I will just
have to go ahead and finish up with "whatever" and work around things.

I am doing a project for a district attorney's office, and it will
basically just keep tabs on everybody that passes through the system.
The problem is though that there are "Defendants", defense lawyers,
prosecuting lawyers, judges, and victims, and it isn't rare for a single
person to cross into multiple lists. And, theoretically, it is possible
to be in all lists. For instance there are many prosecuting lawyers that
become defense attorneys, and it is not unlikely that one of these
attorneys could be a judge in the future. That scenario is very
possible, and you can add it that a lawyer is very able to be a victim,
and hell, we all know they can be criminals ;) Another scenario that
happens very frequently, is that a person is both a defendant and a
victim. 

I don't want the person entering data to scroll through hundreds, and
eventually thousands, of names to pick an attorney's name from among the
list of everybody else in the system.

The idea I am working on presently is to add logical fields for each
designation to the table of names. For instances:

kNameID
txtLastName
txtFirstName
txtMI
txtSuffix
logAttorney
logADA
logJudge
logVictim
logDefendant

If I do this, I will have removed some fields that are currently there,
such as:

txtAddress1
txtAddress2
txtCity
txtSt
txtZip
txtPhone

And, I will put these in another linked table. There may be a need to
have multiple addresses for the defendants, so this would be best I
think.

The problem that I am foreseeing here...I'm not at that point, so my
fears could be unfounded...is setting these fields to true and/or false,
as needed.  Basically, thinking of victims for a minute here, the
defendant screen, which will actually be an "Indictment" screen, will
have a subform to hold potentially many victims for the indictment. If a
victim IS already in the system as something else, I will need to tag
that name as a victim and I'm wondering if this will present
difficulties.

Well, I hope I am being clear enough. If anyone out there has any tips
for me, I would greatly appreciate it if you would pass them along.

Thank you!

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From John.Clark at niagaracounty.com  Thu Aug 25 07:08:15 2005
From: John.Clark at niagaracounty.com (John Clark)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 08:08:15 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Logic issue
Message-ID: <s30d7ca8.049@nebnov3.niagaracounty.com>

Yes Frank, I always like to checkout someone's ideas...I learn so much
more than any book can teach. My address is john.clark at niagaracounty.com


If this is a zip file, change the extention to something like .zp,
because we block .zip files.

John W. Clark
Computer Programmer
Niagara County
Central Data Processing

>>> frank at fhsservices.co.uk 8/24/2005 5:21 PM >>>
Here's a different solution!
If you have a checkbox for each title or position that can be
applicable to
each person represented through the database then, on the client form
of any
of people the list the checkboxes will indicate positives for the
applicable
option.
So, Jack Jones can have the boxes ticked for Defence attorney,
prosecuting
attorney, Judge etc. etc. The final checkbox (no 9 on my sample) can be
set
to "Other" and have an associated textbox in the table which will only
be
displayed it no 9 is ticked and the text will be entered into the
open,
blank textbox for storage and later retrieval.
The trick here is to combine the bit value of each checkbox to obtain
a
unique value for the combination of boxes ticked.
I have a small database of the principle as a working example which I
can
forward to anybody who would like to see it.
The AccessD list is limited to a 30K unit size and will not allow me
to
attach the sample to this text

Kind regards,
 
Frank Hill

Kind regards,
 
Frank Hill

 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Clark
Sent: 24 August 2005 18:36
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: [AccessD] Logic issue

Hi all

I am having trouble working out how I want to go about something, and
I
am hoping somebody here can give me a nudge. It doesn't sound
difficult,
but I'm running into dead-ends. I am starting to think that I will
just
have to go ahead and finish up with "whatever" and work around things.

I am doing a project for a district attorney's office, and it will
basically just keep tabs on everybody that passes through the system.
The problem is though that there are "Defendants", defense lawyers,
prosecuting lawyers, judges, and victims, and it isn't rare for a
single
person to cross into multiple lists. And, theoretically, it is
possible
to be in all lists. For instance there are many prosecuting lawyers
that
become defense attorneys, and it is not unlikely that one of these
attorneys could be a judge in the future. That scenario is very
possible, and you can add it that a lawyer is very able to be a
victim,
and hell, we all know they can be criminals ;) Another scenario that
happens very frequently, is that a person is both a defendant and a
victim. 

I don't want the person entering data to scroll through hundreds, and
eventually thousands, of names to pick an attorney's name from among
the
list of everybody else in the system.

The idea I am working on presently is to add logical fields for each
designation to the table of names. For instances:

kNameID
txtLastName
txtFirstName
txtMI
txtSuffix
logAttorney
logADA
logJudge
logVictim
logDefendant

If I do this, I will have removed some fields that are currently
there,
such as:

txtAddress1
txtAddress2
txtCity
txtSt
txtZip
txtPhone

And, I will put these in another linked table. There may be a need to
have multiple addresses for the defendants, so this would be best I
think.

The problem that I am foreseeing here...I'm not at that point, so my
fears could be unfounded...is setting these fields to true and/or
false,
as needed.  Basically, thinking of victims for a minute here, the
defendant screen, which will actually be an "Indictment" screen, will
have a subform to hold potentially many victims for the indictment. If
a
victim IS already in the system as something else, I will need to tag
that name as a victim and I'm wondering if this will present
difficulties.

Well, I hope I am being clear enough. If anyone out there has any tips
for me, I would greatly appreciate it if you would pass them along.

Thank you!

John W Clark
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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Aug 25 07:33:42 2005
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 14:33:42 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Control codes to a printer
Message-ID: <s30dd6cc.074@cactus.dk>

Hi John

Are you sure you need to do this?
Can't you set the printer to auto cut?

I've never seen the syntax Stewart presents, neither a method for
sending hex (control) codes to a printer from Access.
However, this page may help you:

How do I Control an Epson Receipt Printer with Visual Basic?
http://www.posworld.com/eprecprinvis.html 

It demonstrates the use of a special "Control font" which doesn't print
but transforms some chars to some hex code sequences.

/gustav

>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 24-08-2005 23:29 >>>
I need to send a series of hex characters to an Epson receipt printer
to
execute the cutting.  Hex characters are 1d 56 42 20  The printer is
TCP/IP
so I have an IP address stored in a table and hidden in a form that is
open
when the print command is executed.  This is a Win98 environment. 
Does
anyone already have something similar.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 



From Gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Aug 25 07:36:30 2005
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 14:36:30 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Control codes to a printer
Message-ID: <s30dd780.075@cactus.dk>

Oops Stuart, sorry for spelling you Stewart! 

/gustav

>>> stuart at lexacorp.com.pg 25-08-2005 02:46 >>>



From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Aug 25 07:58:21 2005
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 22:58:21 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Control codes to a printer
In-Reply-To: <s30dd6cc.074@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <430E4D0D.23030.549CC53@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

On 25 Aug 2005 at 14:33, Gustav Brock wrote:

> Hi John
> 
> Are you sure you need to do this?
> Can't you set the printer to auto cut?
> 
> I've never seen the syntax Stewart presents, neither a method for
> sending hex (control) codes to a printer from Access.
> However, this page may help you:
> 

It certainly works for sending control codes to a printer on LPTx: or 
COMx:, but I've never tried it with an IP:xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx  port and don't 
have one handy to test it.





-- 
Stuart




From artful at rogers.com  Thu Aug 25 08:06:19 2005
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 09:06:19 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Building SQL statement
In-Reply-To: <015101c5a924$4f937db0$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <200508251306.j7PD6MR04318@databaseadvisors.com>

Replace(MyText,Chr(39),Chr(39)&Chr(39))
Should do it.
Arthur

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: August 24, 2005 11:23 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Building SQL statement

I'm attempting to build a SQL statement to append data into a record.  One
of the fields is text, including (possibly) any valid text including ' - for
example in contractions such as "aren't" etc.

My SQL statement is building up a statement in the format:

            lstrSQL = "INSERT INTO WebNewsItem ( WebNewsSourceID, Link,
Title, ArticleDescription ) " & _
                        "SELECT " & webNewsSourceID & " AS WebNewsSourceID,
'" & link & "' AS Link, '" & title & "' AS Title, '" & description & "' AS
ArticleDescription;"

The problem is that description can contain the ' character and thus I end
up with an invalid SQL statement since the ' embedded in description "looks
like" the ' that is supposed to enclose the text.

I can't for the life of me remember how I am supposed to handle this.

I could punt and open a recordset, create a new record, and place the data
directly into the field, which I may end up doing but I sure would prefer to
just do the "append query" thing.  It is (was) much simpler.

John W. Colby
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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Aug 25 08:15:12 2005
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 15:15:12 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Control codes to a printer
Message-ID: <s30de09d.079@cactus.dk>

Hi Stuart

Sorry, it is the IP:xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx syntax I've never seen.

The surrounding part is common and we use that for writing directly to
a receipt printer (not Epson but Axiohm) as this is terribly faster than
printing a report. And at POS _every_ second counts.

/gustav

>>> stuart at lexacorp.com.pg 25-08-2005 14:58 >>>
On 25 Aug 2005 at 14:33, Gustav Brock wrote:

> Hi John
> 
> Are you sure you need to do this?
> Can't you set the printer to auto cut?
> 
> I've never seen the syntax Stewart presents, neither a method for
> sending hex (control) codes to a printer from Access.
> However, this page may help you:
> 

It certainly works for sending control codes to a printer on LPTx: or 
COMx:, but I've never tried it with an IP:xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx  port and
don't 
have one handy to test it.





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From artful at rogers.com  Thu Aug 25 09:58:55 2005
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 10:58:55 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Logic issue
In-Reply-To: <200508251207.j7PC7oR22410@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <200508251458.j7PEwwR04886@databaseadvisors.com>

On second thought, I would not use a Persons table since the defendant and
or claimant could be a corporation. I would go with tblEntities which might
be tied to a tblEntityTypes table containing such rows as Person,
Corporation, NGO, etc. A given case could for example be a class action
suit, with one or more corporations defending their alleged malfeasance
against hundreds or thousands of claimants (some corporate, some
individuals).

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: August 25, 2005 8:08 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Logic issue

I agree with Drew but I would take the idea a little further, adding an
associative (bridge) table tblPersonRoles, allowing a many-to-many
relationship between Persons and Roles. I would also add a date range to the
tblPersonRoles table, so that I could note that Person X was a prosecutor
until 1999, when she became a judge, and then in 2004 she was charged with
drunk driving and became a defendant.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of DWUTKA at marlow.com
Sent: August 24, 2005 2:16 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Logic issue

I think you need to have a 'people' table.  Whether a person is a judge,
lawyer, defendant should be determined by relationships to the tables
relating to those designations.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John Clark [mailto:John.Clark at niagaracounty.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 12:36 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Logic issue


Hi all

I am having trouble working out how I want to go about something, and I
am hoping somebody here can give me a nudge. It doesn't sound difficult,
but I'm running into dead-ends. I am starting to think that I will just
have to go ahead and finish up with "whatever" and work around things.

I am doing a project for a district attorney's office, and it will
basically just keep tabs on everybody that passes through the system.
The problem is though that there are "Defendants", defense lawyers,
prosecuting lawyers, judges, and victims, and it isn't rare for a single
person to cross into multiple lists. And, theoretically, it is possible
to be in all lists. For instance there are many prosecuting lawyers that
become defense attorneys, and it is not unlikely that one of these
attorneys could be a judge in the future. That scenario is very
possible, and you can add it that a lawyer is very able to be a victim,
and hell, we all know they can be criminals ;) Another scenario that
happens very frequently, is that a person is both a defendant and a
victim. 

I don't want the person entering data to scroll through hundreds, and
eventually thousands, of names to pick an attorney's name from among the
list of everybody else in the system.

The idea I am working on presently is to add logical fields for each
designation to the table of names. For instances:

kNameID
txtLastName
txtFirstName
txtMI
txtSuffix
logAttorney
logADA
logJudge
logVictim
logDefendant

If I do this, I will have removed some fields that are currently there,
such as:

txtAddress1
txtAddress2
txtCity
txtSt
txtZip
txtPhone

And, I will put these in another linked table. There may be a need to
have multiple addresses for the defendants, so this would be best I
think.

The problem that I am foreseeing here...I'm not at that point, so my
fears could be unfounded...is setting these fields to true and/or false,
as needed.  Basically, thinking of victims for a minute here, the
defendant screen, which will actually be an "Indictment" screen, will
have a subform to hold potentially many victims for the indictment. If a
victim IS already in the system as something else, I will need to tag
that name as a victim and I'm wondering if this will present
difficulties.

Well, I hope I am being clear enough. If anyone out there has any tips
for me, I would greatly appreciate it if you would pass them along.

Thank you!

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu Aug 25 10:20:52 2005
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 08:20:52 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Zip files (was Logic issue)
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86873BF6@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Does anyone know what the logic is for blocking zip files?  I run into
this occasionally and it drives me nuts!  You zip files to avoid the
filters that won't accept an mdb, etc., and then you run into filters
that won't accept the zip files.  Oops, Catch-22.  That drumming you
hear is my head pounding against the wall ....

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: John Clark [mailto:John.Clark at niagaracounty.com] 
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 5:08 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Logic issue


Yes Frank, I always like to checkout someone's ideas...I learn so much
more than any book can teach. My address is john.clark at niagaracounty.com


If this is a zip file, change the extention to something like .zp,
because we block .zip files.

John W. Clark
Computer Programmer
Niagara County
Central Data Processing

>>> frank at fhsservices.co.uk 8/24/2005 5:21 PM >>>
Here's a different solution!
If you have a checkbox for each title or position that can be applicable
to each person represented through the database then, on the client form
of any of people the list the checkboxes will indicate positives for the
applicable option. So, Jack Jones can have the boxes ticked for Defence
attorney, prosecuting attorney, Judge etc. etc. The final checkbox (no 9
on my sample) can be set to "Other" and have an associated textbox in
the table which will only be displayed it no 9 is ticked and the text
will be entered into the open, blank textbox for storage and later
retrieval. The trick here is to combine the bit value of each checkbox
to obtain a unique value for the combination of boxes ticked. I have a
small database of the principle as a working example which I can forward
to anybody who would like to see it. The AccessD list is limited to a
30K unit size and will not allow me to attach the sample to this text

Kind regards,
 
Frank Hill

Kind regards,
 
Frank Hill

 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Clark
Sent: 24 August 2005 18:36
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: [AccessD] Logic issue

Hi all

I am having trouble working out how I want to go about something, and I
am hoping somebody here can give me a nudge. It doesn't sound difficult,
but I'm running into dead-ends. I am starting to think that I will just
have to go ahead and finish up with "whatever" and work around things.

I am doing a project for a district attorney's office, and it will
basically just keep tabs on everybody that passes through the system.
The problem is though that there are "Defendants", defense lawyers,
prosecuting lawyers, judges, and victims, and it isn't rare for a single
person to cross into multiple lists. And, theoretically, it is possible
to be in all lists. For instance there are many prosecuting lawyers that
become defense attorneys, and it is not unlikely that one of these
attorneys could be a judge in the future. That scenario is very
possible, and you can add it that a lawyer is very able to be a victim,
and hell, we all know they can be criminals ;) Another scenario that
happens very frequently, is that a person is both a defendant and a
victim. 

I don't want the person entering data to scroll through hundreds, and
eventually thousands, of names to pick an attorney's name from among the
list of everybody else in the system.

The idea I am working on presently is to add logical fields for each
designation to the table of names. For instances:

kNameID
txtLastName
txtFirstName
txtMI
txtSuffix
logAttorney
logADA
logJudge
logVictim
logDefendant

If I do this, I will have removed some fields that are currently there,
such as:

txtAddress1
txtAddress2
txtCity
txtSt
txtZip
txtPhone

And, I will put these in another linked table. There may be a need to
have multiple addresses for the defendants, so this would be best I
think.

The problem that I am foreseeing here...I'm not at that point, so my
fears could be unfounded...is setting these fields to true and/or false,
as needed.  Basically, thinking of victims for a minute here, the
defendant screen, which will actually be an "Indictment" screen, will
have a subform to hold potentially many victims for the indictment. If a
victim IS already in the system as something else, I will need to tag
that name as a victim and I'm wondering if this will present
difficulties.

Well, I hope I am being clear enough. If anyone out there has any tips
for me, I would greatly appreciate it if you would pass them along.

Thank you!

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From John.Clark at niagaracounty.com  Thu Aug 25 10:27:32 2005
From: John.Clark at niagaracounty.com (John Clark)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 11:27:32 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Field Sizes
Message-ID: <s30dab62.054@nebnov3.niagaracounty.com>

I've got bigger problems right now, but I've meant to ask something
forever and...well...today is the day, I guess. What do y'all use for
standard sizes for typical text fields, such as Last Name, First Name,
Address, City, etc.? Is there a "common practice rule" concerning this?

And, just to get the yuks outta the way, I guess I could have changed
the subject line to, "does size matter?"


From HARVEYF1 at WESTAT.com  Thu Aug 25 10:38:22 2005
From: HARVEYF1 at WESTAT.com (Francis Harvey)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 11:38:22 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Building SQL statement
Message-ID: <403593359CA56C4CAE1F8F4F00DCFE7D014C7074@MAILBE2.westat.com>

John,

Perhaps the SQL statement could be rewritten to use parameters,
something like:

PARAMETERS WebNewsSourceID Long, Link Text ( 255 ), 
    Title Text ( 255 ), ArticleDescription Text ( 255 );
INSERT INTO WebNewsItem ( WebNewsSourceID, Link, Title,
ArticleDescription )
SELECT [WebNewsSourceID] AS WebNewsSourceID, [Link] AS Link, 
    [Title] AS Title, [ArticleDescription] AS ArticleDescription;

so that you could create and execute a querydef where you could fill in
its parameters without worrying about unexpected string termination.

Francis R Harvey III
WB 303, (301)294-3952
harveyf1 at westat.com


> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> John W. Colby
> Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 11:23 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: [AccessD] Building SQL statement
> 
> 
> I'm attempting to build a SQL statement to append data into a 
> record.  One
> of the fields is text, including (possibly) any valid text 
> including ' - for
> example in contractions such as "aren't" etc.
> 
> My SQL statement is building up a statement in the format:
> 
>             lstrSQL = "INSERT INTO WebNewsItem ( 
> WebNewsSourceID, Link,
> Title, ArticleDescription ) " & _
>                         "SELECT " & webNewsSourceID & " AS 
> WebNewsSourceID,
> '" & link & "' AS Link, '" & title & "' AS Title, '" & 
> description & "' AS
> ArticleDescription;"
> 
> The problem is that description can contain the ' character 
> and thus I end
> up with an invalid SQL statement since the ' embedded in 
> description "looks
> like" the ' that is supposed to enclose the text.
> 
<snip>
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com 
> 
> Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
> http://folding.stanford.edu/


From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com  Thu Aug 25 10:57:35 2005
From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 11:57:35 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Zip files (was Logic issue)
Message-ID: <1D7828CDB8350747AFE9D69E0E90DA1F14EA41DE@xlivmbx21.aig.com>

IMHO it's caused by IT people who are too paranoid by far. They invest
thousands on virus scanning software, keep updating the sig files every 24
hours, but in the end they don't trust it to weed out the viruses coming at
them via ZIP files. Rather than scanning the contents of ZIP files they
blindly block them. Also, don't the realize that most (All?) antivirus
programs can be set to scan files when they are opened and or written to
disk? So even if a zip file does have a virus, the anti-virus package should
kill it.

Lambert

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 11:21 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Zip files (was Logic issue)


Does anyone know what the logic is for blocking zip files?  I run into this
occasionally and it drives me nuts!  You zip files to avoid the filters that
won't accept an mdb, etc., and then you run into filters that won't accept
the zip files.  Oops, Catch-22.  That drumming you hear is my head pounding
against the wall ....

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: John Clark [mailto:John.Clark at niagaracounty.com] 
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 5:08 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Logic issue


Yes Frank, I always like to checkout someone's ideas...I learn so much more
than any book can teach. My address is john.clark at niagaracounty.com


If this is a zip file, change the extention to something like .zp, because
we block .zip files.

John W. Clark
Computer Programmer
Niagara County
Central Data Processing

>>> frank at fhsservices.co.uk 8/24/2005 5:21 PM >>>
Here's a different solution!
If you have a checkbox for each title or position that can be applicable to
each person represented through the database then, on the client form of any
of people the list the checkboxes will indicate positives for the applicable
option. So, Jack Jones can have the boxes ticked for Defence attorney,
prosecuting attorney, Judge etc. etc. The final checkbox (no 9 on my sample)
can be set to "Other" and have an associated textbox in the table which will
only be displayed it no 9 is ticked and the text will be entered into the
open, blank textbox for storage and later retrieval. The trick here is to
combine the bit value of each checkbox to obtain a unique value for the
combination of boxes ticked. I have a small database of the principle as a
working example which I can forward to anybody who would like to see it. The
AccessD list is limited to a 30K unit size and will not allow me to attach
the sample to this text

Kind regards,
 
Frank Hill

Kind regards,
 
Frank Hill

 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Clark
Sent: 24 August 2005 18:36
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: [AccessD] Logic issue

Hi all

I am having trouble working out how I want to go about something, and I am
hoping somebody here can give me a nudge. It doesn't sound difficult, but
I'm running into dead-ends. I am starting to think that I will just have to
go ahead and finish up with "whatever" and work around things.

I am doing a project for a district attorney's office, and it will basically
just keep tabs on everybody that passes through the system. The problem is
though that there are "Defendants", defense lawyers, prosecuting lawyers,
judges, and victims, and it isn't rare for a single person to cross into
multiple lists. And, theoretically, it is possible to be in all lists. For
instance there are many prosecuting lawyers that become defense attorneys,
and it is not unlikely that one of these attorneys could be a judge in the
future. That scenario is very possible, and you can add it that a lawyer is
very able to be a victim, and hell, we all know they can be criminals ;)
Another scenario that happens very frequently, is that a person is both a
defendant and a victim. 

I don't want the person entering data to scroll through hundreds, and
eventually thousands, of names to pick an attorney's name from among the
list of everybody else in the system.

The idea I am working on presently is to add logical fields for each
designation to the table of names. For instances:

kNameID
txtLastName
txtFirstName
txtMI
txtSuffix
logAttorney
logADA
logJudge
logVictim
logDefendant

If I do this, I will have removed some fields that are currently there, such
as:

txtAddress1
txtAddress2
txtCity
txtSt
txtZip
txtPhone

And, I will put these in another linked table. There may be a need to have
multiple addresses for the defendants, so this would be best I think.

The problem that I am foreseeing here...I'm not at that point, so my fears
could be unfounded...is setting these fields to true and/or false, as
needed.  Basically, thinking of victims for a minute here, the defendant
screen, which will actually be an "Indictment" screen, will have a subform
to hold potentially many victims for the indictment. If a victim IS already
in the system as something else, I will need to tag that name as a victim
and I'm wondering if this will present difficulties.

Well, I hope I am being clear enough. If anyone out there has any tips for
me, I would greatly appreciate it if you would pass them along.

Thank you!

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From DElam at jenkens.com  Thu Aug 25 11:08:35 2005
From: DElam at jenkens.com (Elam, Debbie)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 11:08:35 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Zip files (was Logic issue)
Message-ID: <7B1961ED924D1A459E378C9B1BB22B4C0492CCE1@natexch.jenkens.com>

I know we temporarily block these files and several others.  It gives the
admins some time to scan before the file is delivered, but it does get
delivered.  Are you sure these are not getting through at all?

If they are never getting through, I have received some files with a
differently named extension.  Text.zip is renamed to Text.zi and gets
through.  I must rename it back before I can open it, but it works.

Debbie

-----Original Message-----
From: Heenan, Lambert [mailto:Lambert.Heenan at aig.com] 
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 10:58 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Zip files (was Logic issue)


IMHO it's caused by IT people who are too paranoid by far. They invest
thousands on virus scanning software, keep updating the sig files every 24
hours, but in the end they don't trust it to weed out the viruses coming at
them via ZIP files. Rather than scanning the contents of ZIP files they
blindly block them. Also, don't the realize that most (All?) antivirus
programs can be set to scan files when they are opened and or written to
disk? So even if a zip file does have a virus, the anti-virus package should
kill it.

Lambert

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 11:21 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Zip files (was Logic issue)


Does anyone know what the logic is for blocking zip files?  I run into this
occasionally and it drives me nuts!  You zip files to avoid the filters that
won't accept an mdb, etc., and then you run into filters that won't accept
the zip files.  Oops, Catch-22.  That drumming you hear is my head pounding
against the wall ....

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: John Clark [mailto:John.Clark at niagaracounty.com] 
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 5:08 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Logic issue


Yes Frank, I always like to checkout someone's ideas...I learn so much more
than any book can teach. My address is john.clark at niagaracounty.com


If this is a zip file, change the extention to something like .zp, because
we block .zip files.

John W. Clark
Computer Programmer
Niagara County
Central Data Processing

>>> frank at fhsservices.co.uk 8/24/2005 5:21 PM >>>
Here's a different solution!
If you have a checkbox for each title or position that can be applicable to
each person represented through the database then, on the client form of any
of people the list the checkboxes will indicate positives for the applicable
option. So, Jack Jones can have the boxes ticked for Defence attorney,
prosecuting attorney, Judge etc. etc. The final checkbox (no 9 on my sample)
can be set to "Other" and have an associated textbox in the table which will
only be displayed it no 9 is ticked and the text will be entered into the
open, blank textbox for storage and later retrieval. The trick here is to
combine the bit value of each checkbox to obtain a unique value for the
combination of boxes ticked. I have a small database of the principle as a
working example which I can forward to anybody who would like to see it. The
AccessD list is limited to a 30K unit size and will not allow me to attach
the sample to this text

Kind regards,
 
Frank Hill

Kind regards,
 
Frank Hill

 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Clark
Sent: 24 August 2005 18:36
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: [AccessD] Logic issue

Hi all

I am having trouble working out how I want to go about something, and I am
hoping somebody here can give me a nudge. It doesn't sound difficult, but
I'm running into dead-ends. I am starting to think that I will just have to
go ahead and finish up with "whatever" and work around things.

I am doing a project for a district attorney's office, and it will basically
just keep tabs on everybody that passes through the system. The problem is
though that there are "Defendants", defense lawyers, prosecuting lawyers,
judges, and victims, and it isn't rare for a single person to cross into
multiple lists. And, theoretically, it is possible to be in all lists. For
instance there are many prosecuting lawyers that become defense attorneys,
and it is not unlikely that one of these attorneys could be a judge in the
future. That scenario is very possible, and you can add it that a lawyer is
very able to be a victim, and hell, we all know they can be criminals ;)
Another scenario that happens very frequently, is that a person is both a
defendant and a victim. 

I don't want the person entering data to scroll through hundreds, and
eventually thousands, of names to pick an attorney's name from among the
list of everybody else in the system.

The idea I am working on presently is to add logical fields for each
designation to the table of names. For instances:

kNameID
txtLastName
txtFirstName
txtMI
txtSuffix
logAttorney
logADA
logJudge
logVictim
logDefendant

If I do this, I will have removed some fields that are currently there, such
as:

txtAddress1
txtAddress2
txtCity
txtSt
txtZip
txtPhone

And, I will put these in another linked table. There may be a need to have
multiple addresses for the defendants, so this would be best I think.

The problem that I am foreseeing here...I'm not at that point, so my fears
could be unfounded...is setting these fields to true and/or false, as
needed.  Basically, thinking of victims for a minute here, the defendant
screen, which will actually be an "Indictment" screen, will have a subform
to hold potentially many victims for the indictment. If a victim IS already
in the system as something else, I will need to tag that name as a victim
and I'm wondering if this will present difficulties.

Well, I hope I am being clear enough. If anyone out there has any tips for
me, I would greatly appreciate it if you would pass them along.

Thank you!

John W Clark
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Aug 25 12:08:19 2005
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 10:08:19 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Field Sizes
In-Reply-To: <s30dab62.054@nebnov3.niagaracounty.com>
Message-ID: <0ILS00F2OFLU17@l-daemon>

Hi John:

Off the top but as far as I know there are no standards but lengths that
have worked in the past are as follows:

Firstname: 15
MiddleName: 25 (can be multiple)
LastName: 25

AptNumber: 5
Address: 10
StreetName: 25
City: 15

There are of course items which extend outside but 98% of the time these
have worked.

Jim 

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Clark
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 8:28 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Field Sizes

I've got bigger problems right now, but I've meant to ask something
forever and...well...today is the day, I guess. What do y'all use for
standard sizes for typical text fields, such as Last Name, First Name,
Address, City, etc.? Is there a "common practice rule" concerning this?

And, just to get the yuks outta the way, I guess I could have changed
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Aug 25 12:26:04 2005
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 10:26:04 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Zip files (was Logic issue)
In-Reply-To: <1D7828CDB8350747AFE9D69E0E90DA1F14EA41DE@xlivmbx21.aig.com>
Message-ID: <0ILS00D8HGFGA5@l-daemon>

Hi Lambert:

In theory virus can be hidden within a ZIP file and virus scanning programs
can not see them as a signature stream of values are required for virus
identification. The compression algorithm of the ZIP alters that signature
stream. Also some tricky code within a so called ZIP file can activate in
the process of unzipping the ZIP file.

But that can always be got around by simply sending your ZIP file named like
MYZipFile.ZIP.txt. When on one contract this technique was used by the local
IT people to slip ZIP files through the filters and then the first dot and
extension were removed. The ZIP files were then unzipped in isolation and
tested before being introduced on LAN
 
A little paranoid? You bet but at one government office, a couple of years
ago, a BlasterWorm got in through a similar method and the result was that a
couple of Ministries were down off and on for the better part of a month.
Put a price tag on that incident.

My two cents worth
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 8:58 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Zip files (was Logic issue)

IMHO it's caused by IT people who are too paranoid by far. They invest
thousands on virus scanning software, keep updating the sig files every 24
hours, but in the end they don't trust it to weed out the viruses coming at
them via ZIP files. Rather than scanning the contents of ZIP files they
blindly block them. Also, don't the realize that most (All?) antivirus
programs can be set to scan files when they are opened and or written to
disk? So even if a zip file does have a virus, the anti-virus package should
kill it.

Lambert

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 11:21 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Zip files (was Logic issue)


Does anyone know what the logic is for blocking zip files?  I run into this
occasionally and it drives me nuts!  You zip files to avoid the filters that
won't accept an mdb, etc., and then you run into filters that won't accept
the zip files.  Oops, Catch-22.  That drumming you hear is my head pounding
against the wall ....

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: John Clark [mailto:John.Clark at niagaracounty.com] 
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 5:08 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Logic issue


Yes Frank, I always like to checkout someone's ideas...I learn so much more
than any book can teach. My address is john.clark at niagaracounty.com


If this is a zip file, change the extention to something like .zp, because
we block .zip files.

John W. Clark
Computer Programmer
Niagara County
Central Data Processing

>>> frank at fhsservices.co.uk 8/24/2005 5:21 PM >>>
Here's a different solution!
If you have a checkbox for each title or position that can be applicable to
each person represented through the database then, on the client form of any
of people the list the checkboxes will indicate positives for the applicable
option. So, Jack Jones can have the boxes ticked for Defence attorney,
prosecuting attorney, Judge etc. etc. The final checkbox (no 9 on my sample)
can be set to "Other" and have an associated textbox in the table which will
only be displayed it no 9 is ticked and the text will be entered into the
open, blank textbox for storage and later retrieval. The trick here is to
combine the bit value of each checkbox to obtain a unique value for the
combination of boxes ticked. I have a small database of the principle as a
working example which I can forward to anybody who would like to see it. The
AccessD list is limited to a 30K unit size and will not allow me to attach
the sample to this text

Kind regards,
 
Frank Hill

Kind regards,
 
Frank Hill

 

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Clark
Sent: 24 August 2005 18:36
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: [AccessD] Logic issue

Hi all

I am having trouble working out how I want to go about something, and I am
hoping somebody here can give me a nudge. It doesn't sound difficult, but
I'm running into dead-ends. I am starting to think that I will just have to
go ahead and finish up with "whatever" and work around things.

I am doing a project for a district attorney's office, and it will basically
just keep tabs on everybody that passes through the system. The problem is
though that there are "Defendants", defense lawyers, prosecuting lawyers,
judges, and victims, and it isn't rare for a single person to cross into
multiple lists. And, theoretically, it is possible to be in all lists. For
instance there are many prosecuting lawyers that become defense attorneys,
and it is not unlikely that one of these attorneys could be a judge in the
future. That scenario is very possible, and you can add it that a lawyer is
very able to be a victim, and hell, we all know they can be criminals ;)
Another scenario that happens very frequently, is that a person is both a
defendant and a victim. 

I don't want the person entering data to scroll through hundreds, and
eventually thousands, of names to pick an attorney's name from among the
list of everybody else in the system.

The idea I am working on presently is to add logical fields for each
designation to the table of names. For instances:

kNameID
txtLastName
txtFirstName
txtMI
txtSuffix
logAttorney
logADA
logJudge
logVictim
logDefendant

If I do this, I will have removed some fields that are currently there, such
as:

txtAddress1
txtAddress2
txtCity
txtSt
txtZip
txtPhone

And, I will put these in another linked table. There may be a need to have
multiple addresses for the defendants, so this would be best I think.

The problem that I am foreseeing here...I'm not at that point, so my fears
could be unfounded...is setting these fields to true and/or false, as
needed.  Basically, thinking of victims for a minute here, the defendant
screen, which will actually be an "Indictment" screen, will have a subform
to hold potentially many victims for the indictment. If a victim IS already
in the system as something else, I will need to tag that name as a victim
and I'm wondering if this will present difficulties.

Well, I hope I am being clear enough. If anyone out there has any tips for
me, I would greatly appreciate it if you would pass them along.

Thank you!

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From john at winhaven.net  Thu Aug 25 12:58:52 2005
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 12:58:52 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Zip files (was Logic issue)
In-Reply-To: <0ILS00D8HGFGA5@l-daemon>
Message-ID: <200508251758.j7PHwtR17189@databaseadvisors.com>

Jim,
Best to just rename the file as Debbie mentioned earlier. Many AV gateways
won't allow double extensions through as this was a virus tactic for a time.
The files would be named text.jpg.exe and other similar ways to fool the
recipient into thinking it was simply a graphic.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence

Hi Lambert:

But that can always be got around by simply sending your ZIP file named like
MYZipFile.ZIP.txt. 



From dwaters at usinternet.com  Thu Aug 25 13:13:16 2005
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 11:13:16 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Zip files (was Logic issue)
In-Reply-To: <24025584.1124993213535.JavaMail.root@sniper17>
Message-ID: <000001c5a9a0$aada9380$0518820a@danwaters>

Interesting!

While I can't send an .mdb file as an attachment, if I change mdb to pdf,
then it goes through just fine.  Then my customer changes it back to mdb and
installs the new objects.

Dan Waters

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 10:59 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Zip files (was Logic issue)

Jim,
Best to just rename the file as Debbie mentioned earlier. Many AV gateways
won't allow double extensions through as this was a virus tactic for a time.
The files would be named text.jpg.exe and other similar ways to fool the
recipient into thinking it was simply a graphic.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence

Hi Lambert:

But that can always be got around by simply sending your ZIP file named like
MYZipFile.ZIP.txt. 

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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Thu Aug 25 13:59:13 2005
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 11:59:13 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Change of circumstances
References: <20050825100803.49431.qmail@web50101.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <430E1501.5080907@shaw.ca>

She prefers people that have worked together or agreed in advance.
I have seen Public Service ads looking for people to fill the other half 
position..
The biggest problem is sorting out benefits, do they have enough hours 
to qualify
for Unemployment Insurance or whatever you call the Dole.


Roz Clarke wrote:

>A good idea. Public bodies here are also much more flexible than most commercial employers, and
>try to encourage jobshare and so on.
>
>Do people have to provide their own partners, or does she pair them up?
>
>--- MartyConnelly <martyconnelly at shaw.ca> wrote:
>
>  
>
>>One thing to check out is the split day's type of jobs, especially in 
>>the civil service
>>In other words you get a partner and one works 2 days, the other 3 days.
>>My sisterinlaw did this in her government department in Alberta so 
>>people could attend university.
>>during the day. She is in charge of HR. Wouldn't work for engineers they 
>>have 40 class hours a week,
>>but arts generally have less then 20 hours. Now she is getting request 
>>from women with autistic kids etc.
>>She calls the programmers doing this extreme programmers with some lag.
>>The participants set up there own internal blog to keep track of what is 
>>happening.
>>
>>Roz Clarke wrote:
>>
>>    
>>
>>>Well remembered John, I will do
>>>
>>>:)
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: Johncliviger at aol.com [mailto:Johncliviger at aol.com] 
>>>Sent: 24 August 2005 12:24
>>>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Change of circumstances
>>>
>>>
>>>Roz
>>>
>>>I think your are in the Manchester, England area, if I'm right email me a
>>>cv 
>>>at _databaseuk at aol.com_ (mailto:databaseuk at aol.com) 
>>>
>>>John
>>> 
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>      
>>>
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>>Victoria, B.C.
>>Canada
>>
>>
>>
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From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com  Thu Aug 25 14:00:33 2005
From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 15:00:33 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Zip files (was Logic issue)
Message-ID: <1D7828CDB8350747AFE9D69E0E90DA1F14EA4297@xlivmbx21.aig.com>

Interesting.

I *think* I understand what you mean by "The compression algorithm of the
ZIP alters that signature stream.": i.e. if you just scan the bytes that
make up the zip file you will not see the signature. But my organization
runs scanning s/w that unzips the zip file to check the contents, and it
does this at a fairly deep level. For example, .exe files are blocked, and
Zip files are not. But if you try to send a Zip file that contains an EXE
file, that will be blocked. In addition, if you rename the EXE before adding
it to the ZIP file it will *still* get blocked because the scanning s/w
looks at the (renamed) EXE file and sees its signature first few bytes and
detects the EXE that way.

I confess I have not heard of any code being executed as a result of
unzipping a ZIP file (with the exception of unzip tools like Winzip which
will detect a setup.exe or a .msi file and will offer to run the install
routine).

Lambert

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 1:26 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Zip files (was Logic issue)


Hi Lambert:

In theory virus can be hidden within a ZIP file and virus scanning programs
can not see them as a signature stream of values are required for virus
identification. The compression algorithm of the ZIP alters that signature
stream. Also some tricky code within a so called ZIP file can activate in
the process of unzipping the ZIP file.

But that can always be got around by simply sending your ZIP file named like
MYZipFile.ZIP.txt. When on one contract this technique was used by the local
IT people to slip ZIP files through the filters and then the first dot and
extension were removed. The ZIP files were then unzipped in isolation and
tested before being introduced on LAN
 
A little paranoid? You bet but at one government office, a couple of years
ago, a BlasterWorm got in through a similar method and the result was that a
couple of Ministries were down off and on for the better part of a month.
Put a price tag on that incident.

My two cents worth
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 8:58 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Zip files (was Logic issue)

IMHO it's caused by IT people who are too paranoid by far. They invest
thousands on virus scanning software, keep updating the sig files every 24
hours, but in the end they don't trust it to weed out the viruses coming at
them via ZIP files. Rather than scanning the contents of ZIP files they
blindly block them. Also, don't the realize that most (All?) antivirus
programs can be set to scan files when they are opened and or written to
disk? So even if a zip file does have a virus, the anti-virus package should
kill it.

Lambert

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 11:21 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Zip files (was Logic issue)


Does anyone know what the logic is for blocking zip files?  I run into this
occasionally and it drives me nuts!  You zip files to avoid the filters that
won't accept an mdb, etc., and then you run into filters that won't accept
the zip files.  Oops, Catch-22.  That drumming you hear is my head pounding
against the wall ....

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: John Clark [mailto:John.Clark at niagaracounty.com] 
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 5:08 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Logic issue


Yes Frank, I always like to checkout someone's ideas...I learn so much more
than any book can teach. My address is john.clark at niagaracounty.com


If this is a zip file, change the extention to something like .zp, because
we block .zip files.

John W. Clark
Computer Programmer
Niagara County
Central Data Processing

>>> frank at fhsservices.co.uk 8/24/2005 5:21 PM >>>
Here's a different solution!
If you have a checkbox for each title or position that can be applicable to
each person represented through the database then, on the client form of any
of people the list the checkboxes will indicate positives for the applicable
option. So, Jack Jones can have the boxes ticked for Defence attorney,
prosecuting attorney, Judge etc. etc. The final checkbox (no 9 on my sample)
can be set to "Other" and have an associated textbox in the table which will
only be displayed it no 9 is ticked and the text will be entered into the
open, blank textbox for storage and later retrieval. The trick here is to
combine the bit value of each checkbox to obtain a unique value for the
combination of boxes ticked. I have a small database of the principle as a
working example which I can forward to anybody who would like to see it. The
AccessD list is limited to a 30K unit size and will not allow me to attach
the sample to this text

Kind regards,
 
Frank Hill

Kind regards,
 
Frank Hill

 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Clark
Sent: 24 August 2005 18:36
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: [AccessD] Logic issue

Hi all

I am having trouble working out how I want to go about something, and I am
hoping somebody here can give me a nudge. It doesn't sound difficult, but
I'm running into dead-ends. I am starting to think that I will just have to
go ahead and finish up with "whatever" and work around things.

I am doing a project for a district attorney's office, and it will basically
just keep tabs on everybody that passes through the system. The problem is
though that there are "Defendants", defense lawyers, prosecuting lawyers,
judges, and victims, and it isn't rare for a single person to cross into
multiple lists. And, theoretically, it is possible to be in all lists. For
instance there are many prosecuting lawyers that become defense attorneys,
and it is not unlikely that one of these attorneys could be a judge in the
future. That scenario is very possible, and you can add it that a lawyer is
very able to be a victim, and hell, we all know they can be criminals ;)
Another scenario that happens very frequently, is that a person is both a
defendant and a victim. 

I don't want the person entering data to scroll through hundreds, and
eventually thousands, of names to pick an attorney's name from among the
list of everybody else in the system.

The idea I am working on presently is to add logical fields for each
designation to the table of names. For instances:

kNameID
txtLastName
txtFirstName
txtMI
txtSuffix
logAttorney
logADA
logJudge
logVictim
logDefendant

If I do this, I will have removed some fields that are currently there, such
as:

txtAddress1
txtAddress2
txtCity
txtSt
txtZip
txtPhone

And, I will put these in another linked table. There may be a need to have
multiple addresses for the defendants, so this would be best I think.

The problem that I am foreseeing here...I'm not at that point, so my fears
could be unfounded...is setting these fields to true and/or false, as
needed.  Basically, thinking of victims for a minute here, the defendant
screen, which will actually be an "Indictment" screen, will have a subform
to hold potentially many victims for the indictment. If a victim IS already
in the system as something else, I will need to tag that name as a victim
and I'm wondering if this will present difficulties.

Well, I hope I am being clear enough. If anyone out there has any tips for
me, I would greatly appreciate it if you would pass them along.

Thank you!

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From john at winhaven.net  Thu Aug 25 14:03:15 2005
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 14:03:15 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Zip files (was Logic issue)
In-Reply-To: <000001c5a9a0$aada9380$0518820a@danwaters>
Message-ID: <200508251903.j7PJ3HR00899@databaseadvisors.com>

Yes, as long as it has an acceptable extension on it should go through. This
is a seriously flawed approach to gateway security but then, there are some
seriously flawed gateway admins :o) 

Although in some instances this is the quick and easy work around, I have
changed my practices to send an email which includes instructions to
download from my FTP site rather than "fooling" the gateway security
scanners. One reason is because they do change the gateway settings now and
then. A couple of customers can no longer receive attachments at all. Seems
insane...


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters

Interesting!

While I can't send an .mdb file as an attachment, if I change mdb to pdf,
then it goes through just fine.  Then my customer changes it back to mdb and
installs the new objects.

Dan Waters



From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Thu Aug 25 14:06:48 2005
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 12:06:48 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Control codes to a printer
References: <s30dd6cc.074@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <430E16C8.5030303@shaw.ca>

RS232 to TCP/IP Converter
There is a trial software for win98 but might be overkill,
since it is designed for two way communication.

It is $250

http://www.taltech.com/products/tcpcom.html

Gustav Brock wrote:

>Hi John
>
>Are you sure you need to do this?
>Can't you set the printer to auto cut?
>
>I've never seen the syntax Stewart presents, neither a method for
>sending hex (control) codes to a printer from Access.
>However, this page may help you:
>
>How do I Control an Epson Receipt Printer with Visual Basic?
>http://www.posworld.com/eprecprinvis.html 
>
>It demonstrates the use of a special "Control font" which doesn't print
>but transforms some chars to some hex code sequences.
>
>/gustav
>
>  
>
>>>>jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 24-08-2005 23:29 >>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>I need to send a series of hex characters to an Epson receipt printer
>to
>execute the cutting.  Hex characters are 1d 56 42 20  The printer is
>TCP/IP
>so I have an IP address stored in a table and hidden in a form that is
>open
>when the print command is executed.  This is a Win98 environment. 
>Does
>anyone already have something similar.
>
>John W. Colby
>www.ColbyConsulting.com 
>
>  
>

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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Thu Aug 25 14:14:52 2005
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 12:14:52 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Zip files (was Logic issue)
References: <0ILS00D8HGFGA5@l-daemon>
Message-ID: <430E18AC.6000202@shaw.ca>

There used to be an old problem hiding ANSI bombs in ZIP files that 
executed on opening ZIP files with PKZIP.
I still have the code somewhere to do it. But MS patched the ANSI.SYS file.
I don't think anyone is still running unpatched DOS 3.2

Jim Lawrence wrote:

>Hi Lambert:
>
>In theory virus can be hidden within a ZIP file and virus scanning programs
>can not see them as a signature stream of values are required for virus
>identification. The compression algorithm of the ZIP alters that signature
>stream. Also some tricky code within a so called ZIP file can activate in
>the process of unzipping the ZIP file.
>
>But that can always be got around by simply sending your ZIP file named like
>MYZipFile.ZIP.txt. When on one contract this technique was used by the local
>IT people to slip ZIP files through the filters and then the first dot and
>extension were removed. The ZIP files were then unzipped in isolation and
>tested before being introduced on LAN
> 
>A little paranoid? You bet but at one government office, a couple of years
>ago, a BlasterWorm got in through a similar method and the result was that a
>couple of Ministries were down off and on for the better part of a month.
>Put a price tag on that incident.
>
>My two cents worth
>Jim
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert
>Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 8:58 AM
>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Zip files (was Logic issue)
>
>IMHO it's caused by IT people who are too paranoid by far. They invest
>thousands on virus scanning software, keep updating the sig files every 24
>hours, but in the end they don't trust it to weed out the viruses coming at
>them via ZIP files. Rather than scanning the contents of ZIP files they
>blindly block them. Also, don't the realize that most (All?) antivirus
>programs can be set to scan files when they are opened and or written to
>disk? So even if a zip file does have a virus, the anti-virus package should
>kill it.
>
>Lambert
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
>Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 11:21 AM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Zip files (was Logic issue)
>
>
>Does anyone know what the logic is for blocking zip files?  I run into this
>occasionally and it drives me nuts!  You zip files to avoid the filters that
>won't accept an mdb, etc., and then you run into filters that won't accept
>the zip files.  Oops, Catch-22.  That drumming you hear is my head pounding
>against the wall ....
>
>Charlotte Foust
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: John Clark [mailto:John.Clark at niagaracounty.com] 
>Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 5:08 AM
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Logic issue
>
>
>Yes Frank, I always like to checkout someone's ideas...I learn so much more
>than any book can teach. My address is john.clark at niagaracounty.com
>
>
>If this is a zip file, change the extention to something like .zp, because
>we block .zip files.
>
>John W. Clark
>Computer Programmer
>Niagara County
>Central Data Processing
>
>  
>
>>>>frank at fhsservices.co.uk 8/24/2005 5:21 PM >>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>Here's a different solution!
>If you have a checkbox for each title or position that can be applicable to
>each person represented through the database then, on the client form of any
>of people the list the checkboxes will indicate positives for the applicable
>option. So, Jack Jones can have the boxes ticked for Defence attorney,
>prosecuting attorney, Judge etc. etc. The final checkbox (no 9 on my sample)
>can be set to "Other" and have an associated textbox in the table which will
>only be displayed it no 9 is ticked and the text will be entered into the
>open, blank textbox for storage and later retrieval. The trick here is to
>combine the bit value of each checkbox to obtain a unique value for the
>combination of boxes ticked. I have a small database of the principle as a
>working example which I can forward to anybody who would like to see it. The
>AccessD list is limited to a 30K unit size and will not allow me to attach
>the sample to this text
>
>Kind regards,
> 
>Frank Hill
>
>Kind regards,
> 
>Frank Hill
>
> 
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Clark
>Sent: 24 August 2005 18:36
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
>Subject: [AccessD] Logic issue
>
>Hi all
>
>I am having trouble working out how I want to go about something, and I am
>hoping somebody here can give me a nudge. It doesn't sound difficult, but
>I'm running into dead-ends. I am starting to think that I will just have to
>go ahead and finish up with "whatever" and work around things.
>
>I am doing a project for a district attorney's office, and it will basically
>just keep tabs on everybody that passes through the system. The problem is
>though that there are "Defendants", defense lawyers, prosecuting lawyers,
>judges, and victims, and it isn't rare for a single person to cross into
>multiple lists. And, theoretically, it is possible to be in all lists. For
>instance there are many prosecuting lawyers that become defense attorneys,
>and it is not unlikely that one of these attorneys could be a judge in the
>future. That scenario is very possible, and you can add it that a lawyer is
>very able to be a victim, and hell, we all know they can be criminals ;)
>Another scenario that happens very frequently, is that a person is both a
>defendant and a victim. 
>
>I don't want the person entering data to scroll through hundreds, and
>eventually thousands, of names to pick an attorney's name from among the
>list of everybody else in the system.
>
>The idea I am working on presently is to add logical fields for each
>designation to the table of names. For instances:
>
>kNameID
>txtLastName
>txtFirstName
>txtMI
>txtSuffix
>logAttorney
>logADA
>logJudge
>logVictim
>logDefendant
>
>If I do this, I will have removed some fields that are currently there, such
>as:
>
>txtAddress1
>txtAddress2
>txtCity
>txtSt
>txtZip
>txtPhone
>
>And, I will put these in another linked table. There may be a need to have
>multiple addresses for the defendants, so this would be best I think.
>
>The problem that I am foreseeing here...I'm not at that point, so my fears
>could be unfounded...is setting these fields to true and/or false, as
>needed.  Basically, thinking of victims for a minute here, the defendant
>screen, which will actually be an "Indictment" screen, will have a subform
>to hold potentially many victims for the indictment. If a victim IS already
>in the system as something else, I will need to tag that name as a victim
>and I'm wondering if this will present difficulties.
>
>Well, I hope I am being clear enough. If anyone out there has any tips for
>me, I would greatly appreciate it if you would pass them along.
>
>Thank you!
>
>John W Clark
>  
>

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From prodevmg at yahoo.com  Thu Aug 25 14:21:11 2005
From: prodevmg at yahoo.com (Lonnie Johnson)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 12:21:11 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] How to find missing DLL's
Message-ID: <20050825192111.45705.qmail@web33105.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I created a database for a friend that gets data from an excel file.

I added two references...

1. Microsoft Excel 10.0 Object Libray (for apparent reasons for my statement above)
2. Microsoft Office 10.0 Object Libray (in order to show a Open File Dialog Box to allow them to pick the excel file to pull into the app)

He does not have these references on his machine. Should he re-install MS Access, the entire MS Office or get the DLL's from somewhere and put them on his machine? If he needs to get them and put them on, what does he get? I cannot see the actual file name because the path is too long in the references box.

Thanks. 



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From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Aug 25 14:23:54 2005
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 12:23:54 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Zip files (was Logic issue)
In-Reply-To: <1D7828CDB8350747AFE9D69E0E90DA1F14EA4297@xlivmbx21.aig.com>
Message-ID: <0ILS0095TLVTAW@l-daemon>

Hi Lambert:

Within a ZIP file there is a header that stores the file names, uncompressed
file size, what type of compression method was used, and a pointer to the
file location within the zip. As far as I know this header is not really
compressed so that an Unzip routine can quickly scan for initial setup and
gives a user the option of selecting which file(s) to extract.

My preference is to use the RAR compression program. It is like Winzip in
that it is free for the standard version but has options that allow a much
higher level of compression, can compress whole hard drives, with its lower
profile has not as of yet had its format hacked and passes through email
filters without issue. (http://www.win-rar.com)

My four cents worth
Jim     

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 12:01 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Zip files (was Logic issue)

Interesting.

I *think* I understand what you mean by "The compression algorithm of the
ZIP alters that signature stream.": i.e. if you just scan the bytes that
make up the zip file you will not see the signature. But my organization
runs scanning s/w that unzips the zip file to check the contents, and it
does this at a fairly deep level. For example, .exe files are blocked, and
Zip files are not. But if you try to send a Zip file that contains an EXE
file, that will be blocked. In addition, if you rename the EXE before adding
it to the ZIP file it will *still* get blocked because the scanning s/w
looks at the (renamed) EXE file and sees its signature first few bytes and
detects the EXE that way.

I confess I have not heard of any code being executed as a result of
unzipping a ZIP file (with the exception of unzip tools like Winzip which
will detect a setup.exe or a .msi file and will offer to run the install
routine).

Lambert

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 1:26 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Zip files (was Logic issue)


Hi Lambert:

In theory virus can be hidden within a ZIP file and virus scanning programs
can not see them as a signature stream of values are required for virus
identification. The compression algorithm of the ZIP alters that signature
stream. Also some tricky code within a so called ZIP file can activate in
the process of unzipping the ZIP file.

But that can always be got around by simply sending your ZIP file named like
MYZipFile.ZIP.txt. When on one contract this technique was used by the local
IT people to slip ZIP files through the filters and then the first dot and
extension were removed. The ZIP files were then unzipped in isolation and
tested before being introduced on LAN
 
A little paranoid? You bet but at one government office, a couple of years
ago, a BlasterWorm got in through a similar method and the result was that a
couple of Ministries were down off and on for the better part of a month.
Put a price tag on that incident.

My two cents worth
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 8:58 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Zip files (was Logic issue)

IMHO it's caused by IT people who are too paranoid by far. They invest
thousands on virus scanning software, keep updating the sig files every 24
hours, but in the end they don't trust it to weed out the viruses coming at
them via ZIP files. Rather than scanning the contents of ZIP files they
blindly block them. Also, don't the realize that most (All?) antivirus
programs can be set to scan files when they are opened and or written to
disk? So even if a zip file does have a virus, the anti-virus package should
kill it.

Lambert

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 11:21 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Zip files (was Logic issue)


Does anyone know what the logic is for blocking zip files?  I run into this
occasionally and it drives me nuts!  You zip files to avoid the filters that
won't accept an mdb, etc., and then you run into filters that won't accept
the zip files.  Oops, Catch-22.  That drumming you hear is my head pounding
against the wall ....

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: John Clark [mailto:John.Clark at niagaracounty.com] 
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 5:08 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Logic issue


Yes Frank, I always like to checkout someone's ideas...I learn so much more
than any book can teach. My address is john.clark at niagaracounty.com


If this is a zip file, change the extention to something like .zp, because
we block .zip files.

John W. Clark
Computer Programmer
Niagara County
Central Data Processing

>>> frank at fhsservices.co.uk 8/24/2005 5:21 PM >>>
Here's a different solution!
If you have a checkbox for each title or position that can be applicable to
each person represented through the database then, on the client form of any
of people the list the checkboxes will indicate positives for the applicable
option. So, Jack Jones can have the boxes ticked for Defence attorney,
prosecuting attorney, Judge etc. etc. The final checkbox (no 9 on my sample)
can be set to "Other" and have an associated textbox in the table which will
only be displayed it no 9 is ticked and the text will be entered into the
open, blank textbox for storage and later retrieval. The trick here is to
combine the bit value of each checkbox to obtain a unique value for the
combination of boxes ticked. I have a small database of the principle as a
working example which I can forward to anybody who would like to see it. The
AccessD list is limited to a 30K unit size and will not allow me to attach
the sample to this text

Kind regards,
 
Frank Hill

Kind regards,
 
Frank Hill

 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Clark
Sent: 24 August 2005 18:36
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: [AccessD] Logic issue

Hi all

I am having trouble working out how I want to go about something, and I am
hoping somebody here can give me a nudge. It doesn't sound difficult, but
I'm running into dead-ends. I am starting to think that I will just have to
go ahead and finish up with "whatever" and work around things.

I am doing a project for a district attorney's office, and it will basically
just keep tabs on everybody that passes through the system. The problem is
though that there are "Defendants", defense lawyers, prosecuting lawyers,
judges, and victims, and it isn't rare for a single person to cross into
multiple lists. And, theoretically, it is possible to be in all lists. For
instance there are many prosecuting lawyers that become defense attorneys,
and it is not unlikely that one of these attorneys could be a judge in the
future. That scenario is very possible, and you can add it that a lawyer is
very able to be a victim, and hell, we all know they can be criminals ;)
Another scenario that happens very frequently, is that a person is both a
defendant and a victim. 

I don't want the person entering data to scroll through hundreds, and
eventually thousands, of names to pick an attorney's name from among the
list of everybody else in the system.

The idea I am working on presently is to add logical fields for each
designation to the table of names. For instances:

kNameID
txtLastName
txtFirstName
txtMI
txtSuffix
logAttorney
logADA
logJudge
logVictim
logDefendant

If I do this, I will have removed some fields that are currently there, such
as:

txtAddress1
txtAddress2
txtCity
txtSt
txtZip
txtPhone

And, I will put these in another linked table. There may be a need to have
multiple addresses for the defendants, so this would be best I think.

The problem that I am foreseeing here...I'm not at that point, so my fears
could be unfounded...is setting these fields to true and/or false, as
needed.  Basically, thinking of victims for a minute here, the defendant
screen, which will actually be an "Indictment" screen, will have a subform
to hold potentially many victims for the indictment. If a victim IS already
in the system as something else, I will need to tag that name as a victim
and I'm wondering if this will present difficulties.

Well, I hope I am being clear enough. If anyone out there has any tips for
me, I would greatly appreciate it if you would pass them along.

Thank you!

John W Clark
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From john at winhaven.net  Thu Aug 25 14:30:57 2005
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 14:30:57 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Zip files (was Logic issue)
In-Reply-To: <430E18AC.6000202@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <200508251931.j7PJV0R07977@databaseadvisors.com>

LOL!

Well, maybe some of the governments units around here are!

I have govt. client that has to keep a win9x PC around because one of the
apps they have to use will not run on WinXP and the agency that publishes it
laid off all programers (and won't pay for a contractor) so they can't
upgrade it to work on WinXP.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly

I don't think anyone is still running unpatched DOS 3.2



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Aug 25 14:36:05 2005
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 15:36:05 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] How to find missing DLL's
In-Reply-To: <20050825192111.45705.qmail@web33105.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <01f401c5a9ac$419c0460$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

Use late binding instead.  Dim your objects object instead of excel.sheet
etc.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lonnie Johnson
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 3:21 PM
To: AccessD solving'
Subject: [AccessD] How to find missing DLL's


I created a database for a friend that gets data from an excel file.

I added two references...

1. Microsoft Excel 10.0 Object Libray (for apparent reasons for my statement
above) 2. Microsoft Office 10.0 Object Libray (in order to show a Open File
Dialog Box to allow them to pick the excel file to pull into the app)

He does not have these references on his machine. Should he re-install MS
Access, the entire MS Office or get the DLL's from somewhere and put them on
his machine? If he needs to get them and put them on, what does he get? I
cannot see the actual file name because the path is too long in the
references box.

Thanks. 



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From john at winhaven.net  Thu Aug 25 14:40:27 2005
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 14:40:27 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Zip files (was Logic issue)
In-Reply-To: <1D7828CDB8350747AFE9D69E0E90DA1F14EA4297@xlivmbx21.aig.com>
Message-ID: <200508251940.j7PJeTR10739@databaseadvisors.com>

Winzip (like many zip tools) can call the installed AV program to scan on
decompression, which should eliminate this issue.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert

I confess I have not heard of any code being executed as a result of
unzipping a ZIP file (with the exception of unzip tools like Winzip which
will detect a setup.exe or a .msi file and will offer to run the install
routine).

Lambert



From john at winhaven.net  Thu Aug 25 14:40:27 2005
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 14:40:27 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Zip files (was Logic issue)
In-Reply-To: <1D7828CDB8350747AFE9D69E0E90DA1F14EA4297@xlivmbx21.aig.com>
Message-ID: <200508251940.j7PJeUR10745@databaseadvisors.com>

Which is the correct manner of scanning and hence my switch to ftp
instructions, but your shop is ahead of the curve on this. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert

But if you try to send a Zip file that contains an EXE file, that will be
blocked. In addition, if you rename the EXE before adding it to the ZIP file
it will *still* get blocked because the scanning s/w looks at the (renamed)
EXE file and sees its signature first few bytes and detects the EXE that
way.



From mikedorism at verizon.net  Thu Aug 25 14:49:57 2005
From: mikedorism at verizon.net (Mike & Doris Manning)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 15:49:57 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] How to find missing DLL's
In-Reply-To: <20050825192111.45705.qmail@web33105.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000001c5a9ae$2ca6f4f0$2e01a8c0@dorismanning>

It sounds like they have a lower or higher version of Office.  The easiest
way around this is not to use references and do late binding using
"CreateObject" and "GetObject".

Doris Manning
mikedorism at verizon.net




From prodevmg at yahoo.com  Thu Aug 25 15:03:47 2005
From: prodevmg at yahoo.com (Lonnie Johnson)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 13:03:47 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] How to find missing DLL's
In-Reply-To: <000001c5a9ae$2ca6f4f0$2e01a8c0@dorismanning>
Message-ID: <20050825200347.77008.qmail@web33111.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Thanks Doris,
 
That works for the Excel issue but how do I apply this to number two?
 
1. Microsoft Excel 10.0 Object Libray (for apparent reasons for my statement above)
2. Microsoft Office 10.0 Object Libray (in order to show a Open File Dialog Box to allow them to pick the excel file to pull into the app)

 Thanks.


Mike & Doris Manning <mikedorism at verizon.net> wrote:
It sounds like they have a lower or higher version of Office. The easiest
way around this is not to use references and do late binding using
"CreateObject" and "GetObject".

Doris Manning
mikedorism at verizon.net


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From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com  Thu Aug 25 15:12:38 2005
From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 16:12:38 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Zip files (was Logic issue)
Message-ID: <1D7828CDB8350747AFE9D69E0E90DA1F14EA42F4@xlivmbx21.aig.com>

I totally agree. If you are going to the trouble of scanning zip file
contents it makes no sense at all to rely on the file extensions.

But even my shop's method has a gaping hole. If the zip file has encrypted
files in it the scanner gives up, adds a message to the effect that the file
was not scanned and passes it on to the intended recipient. Not such a good
idea.

Lambert

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 3:40 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Zip files (was Logic issue)


Which is the correct manner of scanning and hence my switch to ftp
instructions, but your shop is ahead of the curve on this. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert

But if you try to send a Zip file that contains an EXE file, that will be
blocked. In addition, if you rename the EXE before adding it to the ZIP file
it will *still* get blocked because the scanning s/w looks at the (renamed)
EXE file and sees its signature first few bytes and detects the EXE that
way.

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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Thu Aug 25 15:27:19 2005
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 13:27:19 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] How to find missing DLL's
References: <20050825192111.45705.qmail@web33105.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <430E29A7.5090002@shaw.ca>

What version of Office is he running, if 2000 replace reference 10.0 
with 9.0 or if 2003 10.0 with 11.0 versions.
Did he do a full install of Office or a selective one. ie. installed 
access but skipped excel or parts thereof.

Also if using
 Dim objFD As Office.FileDialog
Set objFD = Application.FileDialog(msoFile?DialogFolderPicker)
This wont run in Access 2000 and I think in 2002 MDE

Replacing the dll's is very iffy because they may need a cascade of 
other dll's to function

If all else fails you can use the open file dialog api calls from 
www.mvps.org/access
and read the excel file via ado or late binding calls


Lonnie Johnson wrote:

>I created a database for a friend that gets data from an excel file.
>
>I added two references...
>
>1. Microsoft Excel 10.0 Object Libray (for apparent reasons for my statement above)
>2. Microsoft Office 10.0 Object Libray (in order to show a Open File Dialog Box to allow them to pick the excel file to pull into the app)
>
>He does not have these references on his machine. Should he re-install MS Access, the entire MS Office or get the DLL's from somewhere and put them on his machine? If he needs to get them and put them on, what does he get? I cannot see the actual file name because the path is too long in the references box.
>
>Thanks. 
>
>
>
>May God bless you beyond your imagination!
>Lonnie Johnson
>ProDev, Professional Development of MS Access Databases
>Visit me at ==> http://www.prodev.us
>
>
>
>
>
> 
>
>
>
>
>
>		
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> Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page 
>  
>

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From prodevmg at yahoo.com  Thu Aug 25 15:56:54 2005
From: prodevmg at yahoo.com (Lonnie Johnson)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 13:56:54 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] How to find missing DLL's
In-Reply-To: <430E29A7.5090002@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <20050825205654.23463.qmail@web33110.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Thanks Marty!!! 
The "If all else fails..." option is the one I chose. 
Thanks again.
 


MartyConnelly <martyconnelly at shaw.ca> wrote:
What version of Office is he running, if 2000 replace reference 10.0 
with 9.0 or if 2003 10.0 with 11.0 versions.
Did he do a full install of Office or a selective one. ie. installed 
access but skipped excel or parts thereof.

Also if using
Dim objFD As Office.FileDialog
Set objFD = Application.FileDialog(msoFile&shy;DialogFolderPicker)
This wont run in Access 2000 and I think in 2002 MDE

Replacing the dll's is very iffy because they may need a cascade of 
other dll's to function

If all else fails you can use the open file dialog api calls from 
www.mvps.org/access
and read the excel file via ado or late binding calls


Lonnie Johnson wrote:

>I created a database for a friend that gets data from an excel file.
>
>I added two references...
>
>1. Microsoft Excel 10.0 Object Libray (for apparent reasons for my statement above)
>2. Microsoft Office 10.0 Object Libray (in order to show a Open File Dialog Box to allow them to pick the excel file to pull into the app)
>
>He does not have these references on his machine. Should he re-install MS Access, the entire MS Office or get the DLL's from somewhere and put them on his machine? If he needs to get them and put them on, what does he get? I cannot see the actual file name because the path is too long in the references box.
>
>Thanks. 
>
>
>
>May God bless you beyond your imagination!
>Lonnie Johnson
>ProDev, Professional Development of MS Access Databases
>Visit me at ==> http://www.prodev.us
>
>
>
>
>
> 
>
>
>
>
>
> 
>---------------------------------
> Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page 
> 
>

-- 
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Victoria, B.C.
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Aug 25 16:18:01 2005
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 07:18:01 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Field Sizes
In-Reply-To: <s30dab62.054@nebnov3.niagaracounty.com>
Message-ID: <430EC229.20195.713431B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

On 25 Aug 2005 at 11:27, John Clark wrote:

> I've got bigger problems right now, but I've meant to ask something
> forever and...well...today is the day, I guess. What do y'all use for
> standard sizes for typical text fields, such as Last Name, First Name,
> Address, City, etc.? Is there a "common practice rule" concerning this?
> 

We've had this discussion before <g>

255 characters.

Access doesn't use fixed length storage for strings and you don't save any 
space by defining text fields as less than the maximum allowable.  I change 
the default field size for text strings to 255 in Options and never change 
it for individual filed definitions.

All that restricting field sizes does for you is increase the risk of 
truncating data or throwing up error messages at the user sometime in the 
future.



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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu Aug 25 16:50:55 2005
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 14:50:55 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Field Sizes
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86873BFA@infoserver01.infostat.local>

We may have discussed it before, but that doesn't mean we all agreed!  I
object to 255 because in prior versions of Access I ran into problems of
"query too complex" when all the query fields were 255 because they
inherited the table widths.  If you don't want to save 255 characters in
a field, there is absolutely no point in making the field that wide! So,
there!! <g>

(Let the flames begin .... )

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Stuart McLachlan [mailto:stuart at lexacorp.com.pg] 
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 2:18 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Field Sizes


On 25 Aug 2005 at 11:27, John Clark wrote:

> I've got bigger problems right now, but I've meant to ask something 
> forever and...well...today is the day, I guess. What do y'all use for 
> standard sizes for typical text fields, such as Last Name, First Name,

> Address, City, etc.? Is there a "common practice rule" concerning 
> this?
> 

We've had this discussion before <g>

255 characters.

Access doesn't use fixed length storage for strings and you don't save
any 
space by defining text fields as less than the maximum allowable.  I
change 
the default field size for text strings to 255 in Options and never
change 
it for individual filed definitions.

All that restricting field sizes does for you is increase the risk of 
truncating data or throwing up error messages at the user sometime in
the 
future.



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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu Aug 25 16:58:11 2005
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 14:58:11 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Zip files (was Logic issue)
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86873BFB@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Actually, putting a couple of Ministries (or Federal Departments in the
US) out of action for the better part of a month might lead to more
sanity in government and THAT would be priceless!! ;-}

I have to disagree with you though.  My AV at work and a different one
at home happily scan zip files and the active components of those AV
programs prevent nasties from executing when you unzip the file.  The
MyZipFile.Zip.txt route was a virus workaround which had nothing to do
with the actual format of the file involved but led people who had
hidden know file extensions thinking they were dealing with a zip file
or vice versa.  Most gateways that I encounter these days don't let
multiple extensions through.



Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Lawrence [mailto:accessd at shaw.ca] 
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 10:26 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Zip files (was Logic issue)


Hi Lambert:

In theory virus can be hidden within a ZIP file and virus scanning
programs can not see them as a signature stream of values are required
for virus identification. The compression algorithm of the ZIP alters
that signature stream. Also some tricky code within a so called ZIP file
can activate in the process of unzipping the ZIP file.

But that can always be got around by simply sending your ZIP file named
like MYZipFile.ZIP.txt. When on one contract this technique was used by
the local IT people to slip ZIP files through the filters and then the
first dot and extension were removed. The ZIP files were then unzipped
in isolation and tested before being introduced on LAN
 
A little paranoid? You bet but at one government office, a couple of
years ago, a BlasterWorm got in through a similar method and the result
was that a couple of Ministries were down off and on for the better part
of a month. Put a price tag on that incident.

My two cents worth
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan,
Lambert
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 8:58 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Zip files (was Logic issue)

IMHO it's caused by IT people who are too paranoid by far. They invest
thousands on virus scanning software, keep updating the sig files every
24 hours, but in the end they don't trust it to weed out the viruses
coming at them via ZIP files. Rather than scanning the contents of ZIP
files they blindly block them. Also, don't the realize that most (All?)
antivirus programs can be set to scan files when they are opened and or
written to disk? So even if a zip file does have a virus, the anti-virus
package should kill it.

Lambert

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 11:21 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Zip files (was Logic issue)


Does anyone know what the logic is for blocking zip files?  I run into
this occasionally and it drives me nuts!  You zip files to avoid the
filters that won't accept an mdb, etc., and then you run into filters
that won't accept the zip files.  Oops, Catch-22.  That drumming you
hear is my head pounding against the wall ....

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: John Clark [mailto:John.Clark at niagaracounty.com] 
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 5:08 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Logic issue


Yes Frank, I always like to checkout someone's ideas...I learn so much
more than any book can teach. My address is john.clark at niagaracounty.com


If this is a zip file, change the extention to something like .zp,
because we block .zip files.

John W. Clark
Computer Programmer
Niagara County
Central Data Processing

>>> frank at fhsservices.co.uk 8/24/2005 5:21 PM >>>
Here's a different solution!
If you have a checkbox for each title or position that can be applicable
to each person represented through the database then, on the client form
of any of people the list the checkboxes will indicate positives for the
applicable option. So, Jack Jones can have the boxes ticked for Defence
attorney, prosecuting attorney, Judge etc. etc. The final checkbox (no 9
on my sample) can be set to "Other" and have an associated textbox in
the table which will only be displayed it no 9 is ticked and the text
will be entered into the open, blank textbox for storage and later
retrieval. The trick here is to combine the bit value of each checkbox
to obtain a unique value for the combination of boxes ticked. I have a
small database of the principle as a working example which I can forward
to anybody who would like to see it. The AccessD list is limited to a
30K unit size and will not allow me to attach the sample to this text

Kind regards,
 
Frank Hill

Kind regards,
 
Frank Hill

 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Clark
Sent: 24 August 2005 18:36
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: [AccessD] Logic issue

Hi all

I am having trouble working out how I want to go about something, and I
am hoping somebody here can give me a nudge. It doesn't sound difficult,
but I'm running into dead-ends. I am starting to think that I will just
have to go ahead and finish up with "whatever" and work around things.

I am doing a project for a district attorney's office, and it will
basically just keep tabs on everybody that passes through the system.
The problem is though that there are "Defendants", defense lawyers,
prosecuting lawyers, judges, and victims, and it isn't rare for a single
person to cross into multiple lists. And, theoretically, it is possible
to be in all lists. For instance there are many prosecuting lawyers that
become defense attorneys, and it is not unlikely that one of these
attorneys could be a judge in the future. That scenario is very
possible, and you can add it that a lawyer is very able to be a victim,
and hell, we all know they can be criminals ;) Another scenario that
happens very frequently, is that a person is both a defendant and a
victim. 

I don't want the person entering data to scroll through hundreds, and
eventually thousands, of names to pick an attorney's name from among the
list of everybody else in the system.

The idea I am working on presently is to add logical fields for each
designation to the table of names. For instances:

kNameID
txtLastName
txtFirstName
txtMI
txtSuffix
logAttorney
logADA
logJudge
logVictim
logDefendant

If I do this, I will have removed some fields that are currently there,
such
as:

txtAddress1
txtAddress2
txtCity
txtSt
txtZip
txtPhone

And, I will put these in another linked table. There may be a need to
have multiple addresses for the defendants, so this would be best I
think.

The problem that I am foreseeing here...I'm not at that point, so my
fears could be unfounded...is setting these fields to true and/or false,
as needed.  Basically, thinking of victims for a minute here, the
defendant screen, which will actually be an "Indictment" screen, will
have a subform to hold potentially many victims for the indictment. If a
victim IS already in the system as something else, I will need to tag
that name as a victim and I'm wondering if this will present
difficulties.

Well, I hope I am being clear enough. If anyone out there has any tips
for me, I would greatly appreciate it if you would pass them along.

Thank you!

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu Aug 25 16:59:30 2005
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 14:59:30 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Zip files (was Logic issue)
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86873BFC@infoserver01.infostat.local>

But then you have to know that you are receiving a renamed zip file and
should do something with it.  An unopened zip file just sits there,
regardless of the extension, so what's the point?

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Elam, Debbie [mailto:DElam at jenkens.com] 
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 9:09 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Zip files (was Logic issue)


I know we temporarily block these files and several others.  It gives
the admins some time to scan before the file is delivered, but it does
get delivered.  Are you sure these are not getting through at all?

If they are never getting through, I have received some files with a
differently named extension.  Text.zip is renamed to Text.zi and gets
through.  I must rename it back before I can open it, but it works.

Debbie

-----Original Message-----
From: Heenan, Lambert [mailto:Lambert.Heenan at aig.com] 
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 10:58 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Zip files (was Logic issue)


IMHO it's caused by IT people who are too paranoid by far. They invest
thousands on virus scanning software, keep updating the sig files every
24 hours, but in the end they don't trust it to weed out the viruses
coming at them via ZIP files. Rather than scanning the contents of ZIP
files they blindly block them. Also, don't the realize that most (All?)
antivirus programs can be set to scan files when they are opened and or
written to disk? So even if a zip file does have a virus, the anti-virus
package should kill it.

Lambert

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 11:21 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Zip files (was Logic issue)


Does anyone know what the logic is for blocking zip files?  I run into
this occasionally and it drives me nuts!  You zip files to avoid the
filters that won't accept an mdb, etc., and then you run into filters
that won't accept the zip files.  Oops, Catch-22.  That drumming you
hear is my head pounding against the wall ....

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: John Clark [mailto:John.Clark at niagaracounty.com] 
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 5:08 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Logic issue


Yes Frank, I always like to checkout someone's ideas...I learn so much
more than any book can teach. My address is john.clark at niagaracounty.com


If this is a zip file, change the extention to something like .zp,
because we block .zip files.

John W. Clark
Computer Programmer
Niagara County
Central Data Processing

>>> frank at fhsservices.co.uk 8/24/2005 5:21 PM >>>
Here's a different solution!
If you have a checkbox for each title or position that can be applicable
to each person represented through the database then, on the client form
of any of people the list the checkboxes will indicate positives for the
applicable option. So, Jack Jones can have the boxes ticked for Defence
attorney, prosecuting attorney, Judge etc. etc. The final checkbox (no 9
on my sample) can be set to "Other" and have an associated textbox in
the table which will only be displayed it no 9 is ticked and the text
will be entered into the open, blank textbox for storage and later
retrieval. The trick here is to combine the bit value of each checkbox
to obtain a unique value for the combination of boxes ticked. I have a
small database of the principle as a working example which I can forward
to anybody who would like to see it. The AccessD list is limited to a
30K unit size and will not allow me to attach the sample to this text

Kind regards,
 
Frank Hill

Kind regards,
 
Frank Hill

 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Clark
Sent: 24 August 2005 18:36
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: [AccessD] Logic issue

Hi all

I am having trouble working out how I want to go about something, and I
am hoping somebody here can give me a nudge. It doesn't sound difficult,
but I'm running into dead-ends. I am starting to think that I will just
have to go ahead and finish up with "whatever" and work around things.

I am doing a project for a district attorney's office, and it will
basically just keep tabs on everybody that passes through the system.
The problem is though that there are "Defendants", defense lawyers,
prosecuting lawyers, judges, and victims, and it isn't rare for a single
person to cross into multiple lists. And, theoretically, it is possible
to be in all lists. For instance there are many prosecuting lawyers that
become defense attorneys, and it is not unlikely that one of these
attorneys could be a judge in the future. That scenario is very
possible, and you can add it that a lawyer is very able to be a victim,
and hell, we all know they can be criminals ;) Another scenario that
happens very frequently, is that a person is both a defendant and a
victim. 

I don't want the person entering data to scroll through hundreds, and
eventually thousands, of names to pick an attorney's name from among the
list of everybody else in the system.

The idea I am working on presently is to add logical fields for each
designation to the table of names. For instances:

kNameID
txtLastName
txtFirstName
txtMI
txtSuffix
logAttorney
logADA
logJudge
logVictim
logDefendant

If I do this, I will have removed some fields that are currently there,
such
as:

txtAddress1
txtAddress2
txtCity
txtSt
txtZip
txtPhone

And, I will put these in another linked table. There may be a need to
have multiple addresses for the defendants, so this would be best I
think.

The problem that I am foreseeing here...I'm not at that point, so my
fears could be unfounded...is setting these fields to true and/or false,
as needed.  Basically, thinking of victims for a minute here, the
defendant screen, which will actually be an "Indictment" screen, will
have a subform to hold potentially many victims for the indictment. If a
victim IS already in the system as something else, I will need to tag
that name as a victim and I'm wondering if this will present
difficulties.

Well, I hope I am being clear enough. If anyone out there has any tips
for me, I would greatly appreciate it if you would pass them along.

Thank you!

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From john at winhaven.net  Thu Aug 25 17:16:55 2005
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 17:16:55 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Zip files (was Logic issue)
In-Reply-To: <1D7828CDB8350747AFE9D69E0E90DA1F14EA42F4@xlivmbx21.aig.com>
Message-ID: <200508252216.j7PMGuR17833@databaseadvisors.com>

That's a tough one for sure.

If policy is to allow encrypted files get through then I would hope that
there are still local anti-virus scanners installed on all workstations and
that the message that goes with the non-scanned encrypted attachment would
instruct the user to update the local virus signature files before opening
and decrypting the attachment.

About the only other way to handle it is to divert it to a "safe machine"
and make the person open it there. That goes over like a lead balloon with
mgt. Though.


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert

I totally agree. If you are going to the trouble of scanning zip file
contents it makes no sense at all to rely on the file extensions.

But even my shop's method has a gaping hole. If the zip file has encrypted
files in it the scanner gives up, adds a message to the effect that the file
was not scanned and passes it on to the intended recipient. Not such a good
idea.

Lambert



From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Aug 25 19:11:22 2005
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 17:11:22 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Zip files (was Logic issue)
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86873BFC@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <0ILS00D16Z6WFT@l-daemon>

The issue was that certain people within an organization could not receive
ZIP files that held patches that they required for their applications. The
method of adding extra extensions or other methods of obfuscation were
merely attempts to circumnavigate the hard-wired file-blocking security. 

Anyone that would received such an attachment with their email would be
aware of what the attachment was for and might only need some associated
instructions on saving, renaming, scanning and running the file.

The extension file blocking is only meant to stop, malicious rouge broadcast
ZIP files and gullible users from ever getting together. 

Jim  

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 3:00 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Zip files (was Logic issue)

But then you have to know that you are receiving a renamed zip file and
should do something with it.  An unopened zip file just sits there,
regardless of the extension, so what's the point?

Charlotte Foust


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From: Elam, Debbie [mailto:DElam at jenkens.com] 
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 9:09 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Zip files (was Logic issue)


I know we temporarily block these files and several others.  It gives
the admins some time to scan before the file is delivered, but it does
get delivered.  Are you sure these are not getting through at all?

If they are never getting through, I have received some files with a
differently named extension.  Text.zip is renamed to Text.zi and gets
through.  I must rename it back before I can open it, but it works.

Debbie

-----Original Message-----
From: Heenan, Lambert [mailto:Lambert.Heenan at aig.com] 
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 10:58 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Zip files (was Logic issue)


IMHO it's caused by IT people who are too paranoid by far. They invest
thousands on virus scanning software, keep updating the sig files every
24 hours, but in the end they don't trust it to weed out the viruses
coming at them via ZIP files. Rather than scanning the contents of ZIP
files they blindly block them. Also, don't the realize that most (All?)
antivirus programs can be set to scan files when they are opened and or
written to disk? So even if a zip file does have a virus, the anti-virus
package should kill it.

Lambert

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 11:21 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Zip files (was Logic issue)


Does anyone know what the logic is for blocking zip files?  I run into
this occasionally and it drives me nuts!  You zip files to avoid the
filters that won't accept an mdb, etc., and then you run into filters
that won't accept the zip files.  Oops, Catch-22.  That drumming you
hear is my head pounding against the wall ....

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: John Clark [mailto:John.Clark at niagaracounty.com] 
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 5:08 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Logic issue


Yes Frank, I always like to checkout someone's ideas...I learn so much
more than any book can teach. My address is john.clark at niagaracounty.com


If this is a zip file, change the extention to something like .zp,
because we block .zip files.

John W. Clark
Computer Programmer
Niagara County
Central Data Processing

>>> frank at fhsservices.co.uk 8/24/2005 5:21 PM >>>
Here's a different solution!
If you have a checkbox for each title or position that can be applicable
to each person represented through the database then, on the client form
of any of people the list the checkboxes will indicate positives for the
applicable option. So, Jack Jones can have the boxes ticked for Defence
attorney, prosecuting attorney, Judge etc. etc. The final checkbox (no 9
on my sample) can be set to "Other" and have an associated textbox in
the table which will only be displayed it no 9 is ticked and the text
will be entered into the open, blank textbox for storage and later
retrieval. The trick here is to combine the bit value of each checkbox
to obtain a unique value for the combination of boxes ticked. I have a
small database of the principle as a working example which I can forward
to anybody who would like to see it. The AccessD list is limited to a
30K unit size and will not allow me to attach the sample to this text

Kind regards,
 
Frank Hill

Kind regards,
 
Frank Hill

 

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Clark
Sent: 24 August 2005 18:36
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: [AccessD] Logic issue

Hi all

I am having trouble working out how I want to go about something, and I
am hoping somebody here can give me a nudge. It doesn't sound difficult,
but I'm running into dead-ends. I am starting to think that I will just
have to go ahead and finish up with "whatever" and work around things.

I am doing a project for a district attorney's office, and it will
basically just keep tabs on everybody that passes through the system.
The problem is though that there are "Defendants", defense lawyers,
prosecuting lawyers, judges, and victims, and it isn't rare for a single
person to cross into multiple lists. And, theoretically, it is possible
to be in all lists. For instance there are many prosecuting lawyers that
become defense attorneys, and it is not unlikely that one of these
attorneys could be a judge in the future. That scenario is very
possible, and you can add it that a lawyer is very able to be a victim,
and hell, we all know they can be criminals ;) Another scenario that
happens very frequently, is that a person is both a defendant and a
victim. 

I don't want the person entering data to scroll through hundreds, and
eventually thousands, of names to pick an attorney's name from among the
list of everybody else in the system.

The idea I am working on presently is to add logical fields for each
designation to the table of names. For instances:

kNameID
txtLastName
txtFirstName
txtMI
txtSuffix
logAttorney
logADA
logJudge
logVictim
logDefendant

If I do this, I will have removed some fields that are currently there,
such
as:

txtAddress1
txtAddress2
txtCity
txtSt
txtZip
txtPhone

And, I will put these in another linked table. There may be a need to
have multiple addresses for the defendants, so this would be best I
think.

The problem that I am foreseeing here...I'm not at that point, so my
fears could be unfounded...is setting these fields to true and/or false,
as needed.  Basically, thinking of victims for a minute here, the
defendant screen, which will actually be an "Indictment" screen, will
have a subform to hold potentially many victims for the indictment. If a
victim IS already in the system as something else, I will need to tag
that name as a victim and I'm wondering if this will present
difficulties.

Well, I hope I am being clear enough. If anyone out there has any tips
for me, I would greatly appreciate it if you would pass them along.

Thank you!

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Aug 25 19:21:53 2005
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 17:21:53 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Zip files (was Logic issue)
In-Reply-To: <1D7828CDB8350747AFE9D69E0E90DA1F14EA4297@xlivmbx21.aig.com>
Message-ID: <0ILS00J1WZOG8N@l-daemon>

For that matter neither have I. I have indirectly heard it stated that there
have been virus hidden in a ZIP file but have never seem one up close. Here
is an article on the subject but whether it is just more fear mongering or
just a diversion for more blatant user errors is open for debate:
http://www.computerworld.com/securitytopics/security/virus/story/0,10801,898
97,00.html

Jim   

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 12:01 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Zip files (was Logic issue)

Interesting.

I *think* I understand what you mean by "The compression algorithm of the
ZIP alters that signature stream.": i.e. if you just scan the bytes that
make up the zip file you will not see the signature. But my organization
runs scanning s/w that unzips the zip file to check the contents, and it
does this at a fairly deep level. For example, .exe files are blocked, and
Zip files are not. But if you try to send a Zip file that contains an EXE
file, that will be blocked. In addition, if you rename the EXE before adding
it to the ZIP file it will *still* get blocked because the scanning s/w
looks at the (renamed) EXE file and sees its signature first few bytes and
detects the EXE that way.

I confess I have not heard of any code being executed as a result of
unzipping a ZIP file (with the exception of unzip tools like Winzip which
will detect a setup.exe or a .msi file and will offer to run the install
routine).

Lambert

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Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 1:26 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Zip files (was Logic issue)


Hi Lambert:

In theory virus can be hidden within a ZIP file and virus scanning programs
can not see them as a signature stream of values are required for virus
identification. The compression algorithm of the ZIP alters that signature
stream. Also some tricky code within a so called ZIP file can activate in
the process of unzipping the ZIP file.

But that can always be got around by simply sending your ZIP file named like
MYZipFile.ZIP.txt. When on one contract this technique was used by the local
IT people to slip ZIP files through the filters and then the first dot and
extension were removed. The ZIP files were then unzipped in isolation and
tested before being introduced on LAN
 
A little paranoid? You bet but at one government office, a couple of years
ago, a BlasterWorm got in through a similar method and the result was that a
couple of Ministries were down off and on for the better part of a month.
Put a price tag on that incident.

My two cents worth
Jim

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Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 8:58 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Zip files (was Logic issue)

IMHO it's caused by IT people who are too paranoid by far. They invest
thousands on virus scanning software, keep updating the sig files every 24
hours, but in the end they don't trust it to weed out the viruses coming at
them via ZIP files. Rather than scanning the contents of ZIP files they
blindly block them. Also, don't the realize that most (All?) antivirus
programs can be set to scan files when they are opened and or written to
disk? So even if a zip file does have a virus, the anti-virus package should
kill it.

Lambert

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 11:21 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Zip files (was Logic issue)


Does anyone know what the logic is for blocking zip files?  I run into this
occasionally and it drives me nuts!  You zip files to avoid the filters that
won't accept an mdb, etc., and then you run into filters that won't accept
the zip files.  Oops, Catch-22.  That drumming you hear is my head pounding
against the wall ....

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: John Clark [mailto:John.Clark at niagaracounty.com] 
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 5:08 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Logic issue


Yes Frank, I always like to checkout someone's ideas...I learn so much more
than any book can teach. My address is john.clark at niagaracounty.com


If this is a zip file, change the extention to something like .zp, because
we block .zip files.

John W. Clark
Computer Programmer
Niagara County
Central Data Processing

>>> frank at fhsservices.co.uk 8/24/2005 5:21 PM >>>
Here's a different solution!
If you have a checkbox for each title or position that can be applicable to
each person represented through the database then, on the client form of any
of people the list the checkboxes will indicate positives for the applicable
option. So, Jack Jones can have the boxes ticked for Defence attorney,
prosecuting attorney, Judge etc. etc. The final checkbox (no 9 on my sample)
can be set to "Other" and have an associated textbox in the table which will
only be displayed it no 9 is ticked and the text will be entered into the
open, blank textbox for storage and later retrieval. The trick here is to
combine the bit value of each checkbox to obtain a unique value for the
combination of boxes ticked. I have a small database of the principle as a
working example which I can forward to anybody who would like to see it. The
AccessD list is limited to a 30K unit size and will not allow me to attach
the sample to this text

Kind regards,
 
Frank Hill

Kind regards,
 
Frank Hill

 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Clark
Sent: 24 August 2005 18:36
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: [AccessD] Logic issue

Hi all

I am having trouble working out how I want to go about something, and I am
hoping somebody here can give me a nudge. It doesn't sound difficult, but
I'm running into dead-ends. I am starting to think that I will just have to
go ahead and finish up with "whatever" and work around things.

I am doing a project for a district attorney's office, and it will basically
just keep tabs on everybody that passes through the system. The problem is
though that there are "Defendants", defense lawyers, prosecuting lawyers,
judges, and victims, and it isn't rare for a single person to cross into
multiple lists. And, theoretically, it is possible to be in all lists. For
instance there are many prosecuting lawyers that become defense attorneys,
and it is not unlikely that one of these attorneys could be a judge in the
future. That scenario is very possible, and you can add it that a lawyer is
very able to be a victim, and hell, we all know they can be criminals ;)
Another scenario that happens very frequently, is that a person is both a
defendant and a victim. 

I don't want the person entering data to scroll through hundreds, and
eventually thousands, of names to pick an attorney's name from among the
list of everybody else in the system.

The idea I am working on presently is to add logical fields for each
designation to the table of names. For instances:

kNameID
txtLastName
txtFirstName
txtMI
txtSuffix
logAttorney
logADA
logJudge
logVictim
logDefendant

If I do this, I will have removed some fields that are currently there, such
as:

txtAddress1
txtAddress2
txtCity
txtSt
txtZip
txtPhone

And, I will put these in another linked table. There may be a need to have
multiple addresses for the defendants, so this would be best I think.

The problem that I am foreseeing here...I'm not at that point, so my fears
could be unfounded...is setting these fields to true and/or false, as
needed.  Basically, thinking of victims for a minute here, the defendant
screen, which will actually be an "Indictment" screen, will have a subform
to hold potentially many victims for the indictment. If a victim IS already
in the system as something else, I will need to tag that name as a victim
and I'm wondering if this will present difficulties.

Well, I hope I am being clear enough. If anyone out there has any tips for
me, I would greatly appreciate it if you would pass them along.

Thank you!

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From KP at sdsonline.net  Thu Aug 25 22:24:15 2005
From: KP at sdsonline.net (Kath Pelletti)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 13:24:15 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Friday humour
Message-ID: <001901c5a9ed$a38087a0$6601a8c0@user>

OK - I'm bored, so here we go....

-------
"Doctor," said the patient. "I can't stop singing 'The Green, Green Grass of Home.'"
"Sounds like Tom Jones Syndrom to me," the doctor replies.
"Is that common?"
"It's not unusual." 
--------------------------
Q: How many Spaniards does it take to screw in a lightbulb? 
A: Juan
--------------------------
Person 1: Knock knock.
Person 2: Who's there?
Person 1: Control freak.
Person 1: Now you say "control freak who?"
----------

______________________________________________
Kath Pelletti
Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd.
Ph: 9505-6714
Fax: 9505-6430
KP at SDSOnline.net

From dmcafee at pacbell.net  Thu Aug 25 22:54:39 2005
From: dmcafee at pacbell.net (dmcafee at pacbell.net)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 20:54:39 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Friday humour
In-Reply-To: <001901c5a9ed$a38087a0$6601a8c0@user>
Message-ID: <KDEHKEMIOHGKCDHLPPLKMEDNFIAA.dmcafee@pacbell.net>

Last week I purchased a burger and fries at McDonalds for $3.58.

The counter girl took my $4.00 and I pulled 8 cents
from my pocket and gave it to her. She stood there,
holding the nickel and 3 pennies. While looking at the
screen on her register, I sensed her discomfort and
tried to tell her to just give me two quarters, but
she hailed the manager for help. While he tried to
explain the transaction to her, she stood there and
cried.


----------------------------------------------------------------------------
----

 Why do I tell you this?

Because of the evolution in teaching math since the
1950s:

Teaching Math In 1950

A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100. His
cost of production is 4/5 of the price. What is his
profit?


Teaching Math In 1960

A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100. His
cost of production is 4/5 of the price, or $80.  What
is his profit?


Teaching Math In 1970

A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100. His
cost of production is $80.  Did he make a profit?


Teaching Math In 1980

A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100. His
cost of production is $80 and his profit is $20  Your
assignment:  Underline the number 20.


Teaching Math In 1990

A logger cuts down a beautiful forest because he is
selfish and inconsiderate and cares nothing for the
habitat of animals or the preservation of our
woodlands.  He does this so he can make a profit of
$20. What do you think of this way of making a living?
Topic for class participation after answering the
question:  How did the birds and squirrels feel as the
logger cut down their homes? (There are no wrong
answers.)


Teaching Math In 2005

Un ranchero vende una carretera de madera para $100.
El cuesto de la produccion era $80. Cuantos tortillas
se puede comprar?



From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Fri Aug 26 02:20:51 2005
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 08:20:51 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Roz's Novel
In-Reply-To: <KDEHKEMIOHGKCDHLPPLKMEDNFIAA.dmcafee@pacbell.net>
Message-ID: <001d01c5aa0e$b377bcc0$a5c00c54@minster33c3r25>

It's Friday so we can go for suggestions for alternative titles for Roz's
book. I'll start the ball rolling. 

Firstly I was musing about her subject matter and thinking of another work
which treats that broad subject. Thus I came up with "Hamlet - The SQL". But
that's more for the literary end of the market. Or, Roz, you could blatantly
go for the market of people who don't really read but will do if it's a
children's book that's ok for adults to be seen with - so "Harry Potter And
The Nobility Of Truth Versus The Attractions Of Artifice" (catchy I
thought). Finally if you wanted another theme how about a book for gullible
Ark theorists who like Dan Brown but prefer a quicker read - "The Da Vinci
Compiler" (groan).

-- Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 



From KP at sdsonline.net  Fri Aug 26 03:39:46 2005
From: KP at sdsonline.net (Kath Pelletti)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 18:39:46 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Roz's Novel
References: <001d01c5aa0e$b377bcc0$a5c00c54@minster33c3r25>
Message-ID: <001101c5aa19$b7bae3b0$6601a8c0@user>

Big Fat Artifice?

:)
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  From: Andy Lacey 
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  Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 5:20 PM
  Subject: [AccessD] OT: Roz's Novel


  It's Friday so we can go for suggestions for alternative titles for Roz's
  book. I'll start the ball rolling. 

  Firstly I was musing about her subject matter and thinking of another work
  which treats that broad subject. Thus I came up with "Hamlet - The SQL". But
  that's more for the literary end of the market. Or, Roz, you could blatantly
  go for the market of people who don't really read but will do if it's a
  children's book that's ok for adults to be seen with - so "Harry Potter And
  The Nobility Of Truth Versus The Attractions Of Artifice" (catchy I
  thought). Finally if you wanted another theme how about a book for gullible
  Ark theorists who like Dan Brown but prefer a quicker read - "The Da Vinci
  Compiler" (groan).

  -- Andy Lacey
  http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 

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From pedro at plex.nl  Fri Aug 26 11:11:05 2005
From: pedro at plex.nl (pedro at plex.nl)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 11:11:05 (MET DST)
Subject: [AccessD] adding control number
Message-ID: <200508260911.j7Q9B55U004511@mailhostC.plex.net>

Hello Group,

I have an ID (text, because it begins with 00) that exist of 8 numbers.
I need to change this ID by removing the first 0, and by adding a extra control number.
This control number can be calculated from this ID. This can be done by several query?s. Is it possible to do in one query??

For example.

I have ID:  00327833

Take the number of the odd positions:    0 3 7 3

Place these numbers behind each other to make one number:    0373

Multiply this number with 2:    0373 x 2 = 0746

Count up the separate numbers from this last multiplication:    0 + 7 + 4 + 6 = 17

>From the original ID, take the even positions:    0 2 8 3

Count up the separate numbers from the even positions with the sum of the last count up:    17 + 0 + 2 + 8 + 3 = 30

The last number of the previous sum is the extra control number:    0

>From the original ID, remove the first 0 and add the control number:    03278330


Who can help me with this?

TIA

Pedro Janssen



From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Fri Aug 26 04:32:56 2005
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 10:32:56 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] adding control number
Message-ID: <20050826093254.0A8DD24F266@smtp.nildram.co.uk>

I'll have a shot. Assuming always 8-digits how about
Mid(Id,2) & Right(Cstr(Val(Mid(Right("0000" & Cstr(CLng(Val(Mid(Id,1,1)) &
Val(Mid(Id,3,1)) & Val(Mid(Id,5,1)) & Val(Mid(Id,7,1)))*2),4),1,1)) +
Val(Mid(Right("0000" & Cstr(CLng(Val(Mid(Id,1,1)) & Val(Mid(Id,3,1)) &
Val(Mid(Id,5,1)) & Val(Mid(Id,7,1)))*2),4),2,1)) + Val(Mid(Right("0000" &
Cstr(CLng(Val(Mid(Id,1,1)) & Val(Mid(Id,3,1)) & Val(Mid(Id,5,1)) &
Val(Mid(Id,7,1)))*2),4),3,1)) + Val(Mid(Right("0000" &
Cstr(CLng(Val(Mid(Id,1,1)) & Val(Mid(Id,3,1)) & Val(Mid(Id,5,1)) &
Val(Mid(Id,7,1)))*2),4),4,1)) + Val(Mid(Id,2,1)) + Val(Mid(Id,4,1)) +
Val(Mid(Id,6,1)) + Val(Mid(Id,8,1))),1)


--
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To: "AccessD at databaseadvisors.com" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: [AccessD] adding control number
Date: 26/08/05 09:10


Hello Group,

I have an ID (text, because it begins with 00) that exist of 8 numbers.
I need to change this ID by removing the first 0, and by adding a extra
control number.
This control number can be calculated from this ID. This can be done by
several query?s. Is it possible to do in one query??

For example.

I have ID: 00327833

Take the number of the odd positions: 0 3 7 3

Place these numbers behind each other to make one number: 0373

Multiply this number with 2: 0373 x 2 = 0746

Count up the separate numbers from this last multiplication: 0 + 7 + 4 + 6 =
17

>From the original ID, take the even positions: 0 2 8 3

Count up the separate numbers from the even positions with the sum of the
last count up: 17 + 0 + 2 + 8 + 3 = 30

The last number of the previous sum is the extra control number: 0

>From the original ID, remove the first 0 and add the control number:
03278330


Who can help me with this?

TIA

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From zora_db at yahoo.com  Fri Aug 26 05:15:42 2005
From: zora_db at yahoo.com (Roz Clarke)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 11:15:42 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Roz's Novel
In-Reply-To: <001101c5aa19$b7bae3b0$6601a8c0@user>
Message-ID: <20050826101542.48751.qmail@web50106.mail.yahoo.com>

Or one for the OT list...

Fear of Flaming

Roz
--- Kath Pelletti <KP at sdsonline.net> wrote:

> Big Fat Artifice?
> 
> :)
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: Andy Lacey 
>   To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' 
>   Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 5:20 PM
>   Subject: [AccessD] OT: Roz's Novel
> 
> 
>   It's Friday so we can go for suggestions for alternative titles for Roz's
>   book. I'll start the ball rolling. 
> 
>   Firstly I was musing about her subject matter and thinking of another work
>   which treats that broad subject. Thus I came up with "Hamlet - The SQL". But
>   that's more for the literary end of the market. Or, Roz, you could blatantly
>   go for the market of people who don't really read but will do if it's a
>   children's book that's ok for adults to be seen with - so "Harry Potter And
>   The Nobility Of Truth Versus The Attractions Of Artifice" (catchy I
>   thought). Finally if you wanted another theme how about a book for gullible
>   Ark theorists who like Dan Brown but prefer a quicker read - "The Da Vinci
>   Compiler" (groan).
> 
>   -- Andy Lacey
>   http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 
> 
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From zora_db at yahoo.com  Fri Aug 26 05:17:33 2005
From: zora_db at yahoo.com (Roz Clarke)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 11:17:33 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Roz's Novel
In-Reply-To: <001d01c5aa0e$b377bcc0$a5c00c54@minster33c3r25>
Message-ID: <20050826101733.47892.qmail@web50109.mail.yahoo.com>

Harry Colby and the Nobility of Bound Versus the Attractions of Unbound


--- Andy Lacey <andy at minstersystems.co.uk> wrote:

> It's Friday so we can go for suggestions for alternative titles for Roz's
> book. I'll start the ball rolling. 
> 
> Firstly I was musing about her subject matter and thinking of another work
> which treats that broad subject. Thus I came up with "Hamlet - The SQL". But
> that's more for the literary end of the market. Or, Roz, you could blatantly
> go for the market of people who don't really read but will do if it's a
> children's book that's ok for adults to be seen with - so "Harry Potter And
> The Nobility Of Truth Versus The Attractions Of Artifice" (catchy I
> thought). Finally if you wanted another theme how about a book for gullible
> Ark theorists who like Dan Brown but prefer a quicker read - "The Da Vinci
> Compiler" (groan).
> 
> -- Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 
> 
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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Aug 26 05:28:02 2005
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 12:28:02 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Zip files (was Logic issue)
Message-ID: <s30f0af3.039@cactus.dk>

Hi all

As I wrote last year:

Some strip zip files from e-mails to avoid vira and spyware, thus cab
files can be a valid alternative for attaching compressed files.

You can use a MS command line util for this (cabarc.exe or makecab.exe)
or a freeware tool like CabPack 1.4, but did you know that Internet
Explorer comes with a GUI wizard-type wrapper for CabArc called
IExpress?

Just type iexpress at the Run entry in the Start menu. When finished,
it offers to save your settings as a "sed" file so you easily can repeat
a packing session.

/gustav


>>> cfoust at infostatsystems.com 25-08-2005 17:20 >>>
Does anyone know what the logic is for blocking zip files?  I run into
this occasionally and it drives me nuts!  You zip files to avoid the
filters that won't accept an mdb, etc., and then you run into filters
that won't accept the zip files.  Oops, Catch-22.  That drumming you
hear is my head pounding against the wall ....

Charlotte Foust



From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Fri Aug 26 05:31:51 2005
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 11:31:51 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Roz's Novel
Message-ID: <20050826103149.774A4260EAB@smtp.nildram.co.uk>

A best seller waiting to happen.

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<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Roz's Novel
Date: 26/08/05 10:18


Harry Colby and the Nobility of Bound Versus the Attractions of Unbound


--- Andy Lacey <andy at minstersystems.co.uk> wrote:

> It's Friday so we can go for suggestions for alternative titles for Roz's
> book. I'll start the ball rolling.
>
> Firstly I was musing about her subject matter and thinking of another work
> which treats that broad subject. Thus I came up with "Hamlet - The SQL".
But
> that's more for the literary end of the market. Or, Roz, you could
blatantly
> go for the market of people who don't really read but will do if it's a
> children's book that's ok for adults to be seen with - so "Harry Potter
And
> The Nobility Of Truth Versus The Attractions Of Artifice" (catchy I
> thought). Finally if you wanted another theme how about a book for
gullible
> Ark theorists who like Dan Brown but prefer a quicker read - "The Da Vinci
> Compiler" (groan).
>
> -- Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>
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From prodevmg at yahoo.com  Fri Aug 26 05:32:55 2005
From: prodevmg at yahoo.com (Lonnie Johnson)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 03:32:55 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] adding control number
In-Reply-To: <200508260911.j7Q9B55U004511@mailhostC.plex.net>
Message-ID: <20050826103255.84492.qmail@web33101.mail.mud.yahoo.com>


Why not write a function in VBA and do everything you just said instead of using your queries? How is your VBA?

pedro at plex.nl wrote:Hello Group,

I have an ID (text, because it begins with 00) that exist of 8 numbers.
I need to change this ID by removing the first 0, and by adding a extra control number.
This control number can be calculated from this ID. This can be done by several query?s. Is it possible to do in one query??

For example.

I have ID: 00327833

Take the number of the odd positions: 0 3 7 3

Place these numbers behind each other to make one number: 0373

Multiply this number with 2: 0373 x 2 = 0746

Count up the separate numbers from this last multiplication: 0 + 7 + 4 + 6 = 17

>From the original ID, take the even positions: 0 2 8 3

Count up the separate numbers from the even positions with the sum of the last count up: 17 + 0 + 2 + 8 + 3 = 30

The last number of the previous sum is the extra control number: 0

>From the original ID, remove the first 0 and add the control number: 03278330


Who can help me with this?

TIA

Pedro Janssen

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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Fri Aug 26 05:45:33 2005
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 11:45:33 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] adding control number
Message-ID: <20050826104531.53FBC24E332@smtp.nildram.co.uk>

I agree wholeheartedly with Lonnie. That's what I'd do. It was an
interesting exercise doing it in one shot but I wouldn't want to have to
maintain that.
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Subject: Re: [AccessD] adding control number
Date: 26/08/05 10:33



Why not write a function in VBA and do everything you just said instead of
using your queries? How is your VBA?

pedro at plex.nl wrote:Hello Group,

I have an ID (text, because it begins with 00) that exist of 8 numbers.
I need to change this ID by removing the first 0, and by adding a extra
control number.
This control number can be calculated from this ID. This can be done by
several query?s. Is it possible to do in one query??

For example.

I have ID: 00327833

Take the number of the odd positions: 0 3 7 3

Place these numbers behind each other to make one number: 0373

Multiply this number with 2: 0373 x 2 = 0746

Count up the separate numbers from this last multiplication: 0 + 7 + 4 + 6 =
17

>From the original ID, take the even positions: 0 2 8 3

Count up the separate numbers from the even positions with the sum of the
last count up: 17 + 0 + 2 + 8 + 3 = 30

The last number of the previous sum is the extra control number: 0

>From the original ID, remove the first 0 and add the control number:
03278330


Who can help me with this?

TIA

Pedro Janssen

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Aug 26 05:51:34 2005
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 06:51:34 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Roz's Novel
In-Reply-To: <20050826101733.47892.qmail@web50109.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <021e01c5aa2c$206155e0$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

My favorite book.  ;-)

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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Roz Clarke
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 6:18 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Roz's Novel


Harry Colby and the Nobility of Bound Versus the Attractions of Unbound


--- Andy Lacey <andy at minstersystems.co.uk> wrote:

> It's Friday so we can go for suggestions for alternative titles for 
> Roz's book. I'll start the ball rolling.
> 
> Firstly I was musing about her subject matter and thinking of another 
> work which treats that broad subject. Thus I came up with "Hamlet - 
> The SQL". But that's more for the literary end of the market. Or, Roz, 
> you could blatantly go for the market of people who don't really read 
> but will do if it's a children's book that's ok for adults to be seen 
> with - so "Harry Potter And The Nobility Of Truth Versus The 
> Attractions Of Artifice" (catchy I thought). Finally if you wanted 
> another theme how about a book for gullible Ark theorists who like Dan 
> Brown but prefer a quicker read - "The Da Vinci Compiler" (groan).
> 
> -- Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> 
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Aug 26 06:10:30 2005
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 07:10:30 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] DotNet passing by value
Message-ID: <021f01c5aa2e$c88d7b20$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

As you might be aware, VB.Net (and I assume the other .net languages as
well) pass all variables by value.  But what does this mean, and is it true.
As you know, everything in .net is an object, even common variables such as
an integer or decimal etc.  Passing by value (in other languages) means
placing a COPY of the variable (or object in this case) on the stack as the
function is called.  In VBA for example, when you pass by value, it really
does ONLY for the simple data types, passing anything else (including
strings) by value.  

Imagine passing a string, which could be a million bytes, by value -
literally making a copy and passing that into the stack.  IIRC the total
stack space for a given program in an Intel machine is something like 128
kbytes which means that passing a single (huge) string by value could cause
a stack overflow.  Now DotNet comes along claiming to pass everything by
value.  Is this more doublespeak?  And if so, what is the truth?

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Aug 26 06:21:46 2005
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 07:21:46 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] DotNet passing by value
In-Reply-To: <021f01c5aa2e$c88d7b20$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <022001c5aa30$5df64560$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

Oooops...

>.. passing anything else (including strings) by value.  

Should have said "by reference", i.e. placing a pointer to the object on the
stack.

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 7:11 AM
To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com; 'Access Developers discussion and
problemsolving'
Subject: [AccessD] DotNet passing by value


As you might be aware, VB.Net (and I assume the other .net languages as
well) pass all variables by value.  But what does this mean, and is it true.
As you know, everything in .net is an object, even common variables such as
an integer or decimal etc.  Passing by value (in other languages) means
placing a COPY of the variable (or object in this case) on the stack as the
function is called.  In VBA for example, when you pass by value, it really
does ONLY for the simple data types, passing anything else (including
strings) by value.  

Imagine passing a string, which could be a million bytes, by value -
literally making a copy and passing that into the stack.  IIRC the total
stack space for a given program in an Intel machine is something like 128
kbytes which means that passing a single (huge) string by value could cause
a stack overflow.  Now DotNet comes along claiming to pass everything by
value.  Is this more doublespeak?  And if so, what is the truth?

John W. Colby
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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Aug 26 06:40:18 2005
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 13:40:18 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] adding control number
Message-ID: <s30f1bd8.041@cactus.dk>

Hi Pedro 

Looks like a Modulus 10 check digit calculation.
Below is a function that will do this for you in a maintainable way.

Use it like this:

strChk = Right(ModulusAppend("00327833", 10), Len("00327833"))

/gustav

<code>

Function ModulusAppend( _
  ByVal strNumber As String, _
  ByVal intModulus As Integer) _
  As String

' Appends a Modulus 10 or 11 check digit to strNumber.
'
' 1999-10-08. Cactus Data ApS, CPH.

  Dim intC As Integer, intF As Integer, intN As Integer
  Dim intL As Integer, intM As Integer, intT As Integer
  Dim strNumCheck As String
  Dim strNumChr   As String
  Dim strNumClean As String
  
  ' Max. length of number.
  intM = 32 - 1
  
  If intModulus = 10 Or intModulus = 11 Then
    intL = Len(strNumber)
    ' Remove non-digits.
    For intN = 0 To intL - 1
      strNumChr = Mid(strNumber, intN + 1, 1)
      If (Asc(strNumChr) >= 48) And (Asc(strNumChr) <= 57) Then
        strNumClean = strNumClean & strNumChr
      End If
    Next intN
    strNumber = strNumClean
    intL = Len(strNumber)
  End If
  
  If intL > 0 And intL <= intM Then
    For intN = 0 To intL - 1
      intC = Val(Mid(strNumber, intL - intN, 1))
      Select Case intModulus
        Case Is = 10
          intF = (1 + ((intN + 1) Mod 2))
          intC = intF * intC
          intC = Int(intC / 10) + (intC Mod 10)
        Case Is = 11
          intF = 2 + (intN Mod 6)
          intC = intF * intC
      End Select
      intT = intT + intC
    Next
    Select Case intModulus
      Case Is = 10
        intC = intT - (intT Mod intModulus) + intModulus
        strNumCheck = Format((intC - intT) Mod intModulus, "@")
      Case Is = 11
        intC = intModulus - (intT Mod intModulus)
        Select Case intC
          Case Is = 11
            ' A check digit for this number cannot be calculated!
            strNumber = vbNullString
            intC = 0
            Beep
          Case Is = 10
            intC = 0
        End Select
        strNumCheck = Format(intC, "@")
    End Select
    strNumber = strNumber & strNumCheck
  Else
    strNumber = "0"
  End If
  
  ModulusAppend = strNumber

End Function

</code>


>>> pedro at plex.nl 26-08-2005 11:11 >>>
Hello Group,

I have an ID (text, because it begins with 00) that exist of 8
numbers.
I need to change this ID by removing the first 0, and by adding a extra
control number.
This control number can be calculated from this ID. This can be done by
several query's. Is it possible to do in one query??

For example.

I have ID:  00327833

Take the number of the odd positions:    0 3 7 3

Place these numbers behind each other to make one number:    0373

Multiply this number with 2:    0373 x 2 = 0746

Count up the separate numbers from this last multiplication:    0 + 7 +
4 + 6 = 17

>From the original ID, take the even positions:    0 2 8 3

Count up the separate numbers from the even positions with the sum of
the last count up:    17 + 0 + 2 + 8 + 3 = 30

The last number of the previous sum is the extra control number:    0

>From the original ID, remove the first 0 and add the control number:  
 03278330



From dejpolsys at hotmail.com  Fri Aug 26 06:50:51 2005
From: dejpolsys at hotmail.com (William Hindman)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 07:50:51 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Roz's Novel
References: <021e01c5aa2c$206155e0$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <BAY103-DAV25B5FDDA3C2EC66D76347AEAA0@phx.gbl>

..and by far, the longest :)

William

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To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
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Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 6:51 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Roz's Novel


> My favorite book.  ;-)
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Roz Clarke
> Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 6:18 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Roz's Novel
>
>
> Harry Colby and the Nobility of Bound Versus the Attractions of Unbound
>
>
> --- Andy Lacey <andy at minstersystems.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> It's Friday so we can go for suggestions for alternative titles for
>> Roz's book. I'll start the ball rolling.
>>
>> Firstly I was musing about her subject matter and thinking of another
>> work which treats that broad subject. Thus I came up with "Hamlet -
>> The SQL". But that's more for the literary end of the market. Or, Roz,
>> you could blatantly go for the market of people who don't really read
>> but will do if it's a children's book that's ok for adults to be seen
>> with - so "Harry Potter And The Nobility Of Truth Versus The
>> Attractions Of Artifice" (catchy I thought). Finally if you wanted
>> another theme how about a book for gullible Ark theorists who like Dan
>> Brown but prefer a quicker read - "The Da Vinci Compiler" (groan).
>>
>> -- Andy Lacey
>> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>>
>> --
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>>
>
>
>
>
>
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From John.Clark at niagaracounty.com  Fri Aug 26 06:49:50 2005
From: John.Clark at niagaracounty.com (John Clark)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 07:49:50 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Roz's Novel
Message-ID: <s30eca00.086@nebnov3.niagaracounty.com>

Now THIS would start a nice thread on OT. Statements like, "Finally if
you wanted another theme how about a book for gullible
Ark theorists who like Dan Brown but...," which to me implies that
anyone who may contemplate alternatives to the accepted norm is
gullible, while to me those that just accept the norm are more prone to
be gullible, will get the posts pumpin'.

Ah, but this is for OT, so we'll see.

I do like the title though ;)

J Clark

>>> andy at minstersystems.co.uk 8/26/2005 3:20 AM >>>
It's Friday so we can go for suggestions for alternative titles for
Roz's
book. I'll start the ball rolling. 

Firstly I was musing about her subject matter and thinking of another
work
which treats that broad subject. Thus I came up with "Hamlet - The
SQL". But
that's more for the literary end of the market. Or, Roz, you could
blatantly
go for the market of people who don't really read but will do if it's
a
children's book that's ok for adults to be seen with - so "Harry Potter
And
The Nobility Of Truth Versus The Attractions Of Artifice" (catchy I
thought). Finally if you wanted another theme how about a book for
gullible
Ark theorists who like Dan Brown but prefer a quicker read - "The Da
Vinci
Compiler" (groan).

-- Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 

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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Fri Aug 26 06:58:35 2005
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 12:58:35 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Roz's Novel
Message-ID: <20050826115832.C9AAF2547C4@smtp.nildram.co.uk>

Was waiting for that to get a response ;-)
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To: "accessd at databaseadvisors.com" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Roz's Novel
Date: 26/08/05 11:52


Now THIS would start a nice thread on OT. Statements like, "Finally if
you wanted another theme how about a book for gullible
Ark theorists who like Dan Brown but...," which to me implies that
anyone who may contemplate alternatives to the accepted norm is
gullible, while to me those that just accept the norm are more prone to
be gullible, will get the posts pumpin'.

Ah, but this is for OT, so we'll see.

I do like the title though ;)

J Clark

>>> andy at minstersystems.co.uk 8/26/2005 3:20 AM >>>
It's Friday so we can go for suggestions for alternative titles for
Roz's
book. I'll start the ball rolling.

Firstly I was musing about her subject matter and thinking of another
work
which treats that broad subject. Thus I came up with "Hamlet - The
SQL". But
that's more for the literary end of the market. Or, Roz, you could
blatantly
go for the market of people who don't really read but will do if it's
a
children's book that's ok for adults to be seen with - so "Harry Potter
And
The Nobility Of Truth Versus The Attractions Of Artifice" (catchy I
thought). Finally if you wanted another theme how about a book for
gullible
Ark theorists who like Dan Brown but prefer a quicker read - "The Da
Vinci
Compiler" (groan).

-- Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk

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From shamil at users.mns.ru  Fri Aug 26 07:24:31 2005
From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 16:24:31 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] DotNet passing by value
References: <022001c5aa30$5df64560$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <003101c5aa39$2837cad0$6501a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru>

John,

AFAIK VBA passes ByVal strings by reference but it first makes the copy of
the string to the heap memory...
The same should be true for  VB.NET/C#.
So, one million bytes' length string will be copied to the heap memory and
then passed internally by ref. Heap memory is handled by virtual memory
management system - it should work rather well if one has speedy moderrn
HHDs for automatic swapping...

But of course passing one million bytes long strings as a ByVal parameter
isn't a good idea at all....

> As you know, everything in .net is an object
Yes, everything is an object but scalar types are used internall as they
are usually used in unmanaged systems - this optimization is done by .NET
Framework compilers. When a scalar type has to be treated as an object it is
getting "boxed" - boxing is a  ,NET Framework term:

See also:

Writing Faster Managed Code: Know What Things Cost
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dndotnet/html/fastmanagedcode.asp

Shamil

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John W. Colby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 3:21 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] DotNet passing by value


> Oooops...
>
> >.. passing anything else (including strings) by value.
>
> Should have said "by reference", i.e. placing a pointer to the object on
the
> stack.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
> http://folding.stanford.edu/
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby
> Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 7:11 AM
> To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com; 'Access Developers discussion and
> problemsolving'
> Subject: [AccessD] DotNet passing by value
>
>
> As you might be aware, VB.Net (and I assume the other .net languages as
> well) pass all variables by value.  But what does this mean, and is it
true.
> As you know, everything in .net is an object, even common variables such
as
> an integer or decimal etc.  Passing by value (in other languages) means
> placing a COPY of the variable (or object in this case) on the stack as
the
> function is called.  In VBA for example, when you pass by value, it really
> does ONLY for the simple data types, passing anything else (including
> strings) by value.
>
> Imagine passing a string, which could be a million bytes, by value -
> literally making a copy and passing that into the stack.  IIRC the total
> stack space for a given program in an Intel machine is something like 128
> kbytes which means that passing a single (huge) string by value could
cause
> a stack overflow.  Now DotNet comes along claiming to pass everything by
> value.  Is this more doublespeak?  And if so, what is the truth?
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
> http://folding.stanford.edu/
>
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Aug 26 07:34:20 2005
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 08:34:20 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] DotNet passing by value
In-Reply-To: <003101c5aa39$2837cad0$6501a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru>
Message-ID: <022201c5aa3a$7bb03de0$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

Does this imply that it makes a copy of every object before passing a
pointer to that copy of the object?  That seems like a lot of overhead.  And
is there any way to set the default to true "by reference"?  I am accustomed
to "by reference", and know what that means, and am accustomed to thinking
about whether I am modifying the original object.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
Salakhetdinov
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 8:25 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] DotNet passing by value


John,

AFAIK VBA passes ByVal strings by reference but it first makes the copy of
the string to the heap memory... The same should be true for  VB.NET/C#. So,
one million bytes' length string will be copied to the heap memory and then
passed internally by ref. Heap memory is handled by virtual memory
management system - it should work rather well if one has speedy moderrn
HHDs for automatic swapping...

But of course passing one million bytes long strings as a ByVal parameter
isn't a good idea at all....

> As you know, everything in .net is an object
Yes, everything is an object but scalar types are used internall as they are
usually used in unmanaged systems - this optimization is done by .NET
Framework compilers. When a scalar type has to be treated as an object it is
getting "boxed" - boxing is a  ,NET Framework term:

See also:

Writing Faster Managed Code: Know What Things Cost
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dndotnet/ht
ml/fastmanagedcode.asp

Shamil

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John W. Colby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 3:21 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] DotNet passing by value


> Oooops...
>
> >.. passing anything else (including strings) by value.
>
> Should have said "by reference", i.e. placing a pointer to the object 
> on
the
> stack.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause: 
> http://folding.stanford.edu/
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. 
> Colby
> Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 7:11 AM
> To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com; 'Access Developers discussion and
> problemsolving'
> Subject: [AccessD] DotNet passing by value
>
>
> As you might be aware, VB.Net (and I assume the other .net languages 
> as
> well) pass all variables by value.  But what does this mean, and is it
true.
> As you know, everything in .net is an object, even common variables 
> such
as
> an integer or decimal etc.  Passing by value (in other languages) 
> means placing a COPY of the variable (or object in this case) on the 
> stack as
the
> function is called.  In VBA for example, when you pass by value, it 
> really does ONLY for the simple data types, passing anything else 
> (including
> strings) by value.
>
> Imagine passing a string, which could be a million bytes, by value - 
> literally making a copy and passing that into the stack.  IIRC the 
> total stack space for a given program in an Intel machine is something 
> like 128 kbytes which means that passing a single (huge) string by 
> value could
cause
> a stack overflow.  Now DotNet comes along claiming to pass everything 
> by value.  Is this more doublespeak?  And if so, what is the truth?
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause: 
> http://folding.stanford.edu/
>
>
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Aug 26 07:38:40 2005
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 08:38:40 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: FireFox not wrapping
Message-ID: <022401c5aa3b$19dacfd0$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

Does anyone know how to get firefox to wrap to the screen dimensions?  I am
viewing MS pages which trail off to the side (have to use the slider) in FF
but wrap correctly in IE.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Aug 26 07:42:42 2005
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 08:42:42 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] DotNet passing by value
In-Reply-To: <003101c5aa39$2837cad0$6501a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru>
Message-ID: <022501c5aa3b$aa060200$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

Good article so far (not done yet).

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
Salakhetdinov
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 8:25 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] DotNet passing by value


John,

AFAIK VBA passes ByVal strings by reference but it first makes the copy of
the string to the heap memory... The same should be true for  VB.NET/C#. So,
one million bytes' length string will be copied to the heap memory and then
passed internally by ref. Heap memory is handled by virtual memory
management system - it should work rather well if one has speedy moderrn
HHDs for automatic swapping...

But of course passing one million bytes long strings as a ByVal parameter
isn't a good idea at all....

> As you know, everything in .net is an object
Yes, everything is an object but scalar types are used internall as they are
usually used in unmanaged systems - this optimization is done by .NET
Framework compilers. When a scalar type has to be treated as an object it is
getting "boxed" - boxing is a  ,NET Framework term:

See also:

Writing Faster Managed Code: Know What Things Cost
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dndotnet/ht
ml/fastmanagedcode.asp

Shamil

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John W. Colby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 3:21 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] DotNet passing by value


> Oooops...
>
> >.. passing anything else (including strings) by value.
>
> Should have said "by reference", i.e. placing a pointer to the object 
> on
the
> stack.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause: 
> http://folding.stanford.edu/
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. 
> Colby
> Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 7:11 AM
> To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com; 'Access Developers discussion and
> problemsolving'
> Subject: [AccessD] DotNet passing by value
>
>
> As you might be aware, VB.Net (and I assume the other .net languages 
> as
> well) pass all variables by value.  But what does this mean, and is it
true.
> As you know, everything in .net is an object, even common variables 
> such
as
> an integer or decimal etc.  Passing by value (in other languages) 
> means placing a COPY of the variable (or object in this case) on the 
> stack as
the
> function is called.  In VBA for example, when you pass by value, it 
> really does ONLY for the simple data types, passing anything else 
> (including
> strings) by value.
>
> Imagine passing a string, which could be a million bytes, by value - 
> literally making a copy and passing that into the stack.  IIRC the 
> total stack space for a given program in an Intel machine is something 
> like 128 kbytes which means that passing a single (huge) string by 
> value could
cause
> a stack overflow.  Now DotNet comes along claiming to pass everything 
> by value.  Is this more doublespeak?  And if so, what is the truth?
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause: 
> http://folding.stanford.edu/
>
>
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From mikedorism at verizon.net  Fri Aug 26 07:47:44 2005
From: mikedorism at verizon.net (Mike & Doris Manning)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 08:47:44 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] DotNet passing by value
In-Reply-To: <022201c5aa3a$7bb03de0$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <000201c5aa3c$5cb3bcd0$2e01a8c0@dorismanning>

When you declare the variable, you can set the default.

Dim bolTest as Boolean = False

Doris Manning
mikedorism at verizon.net

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 8:34 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] DotNet passing by value

Does this imply that it makes a copy of every object before passing a
pointer to that copy of the object?  That seems like a lot of overhead.  And
is there any way to set the default to true "by reference"?  I am accustomed
to "by reference", and know what that means, and am accustomed to thinking
about whether I am modifying the original object.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
Salakhetdinov
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 8:25 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] DotNet passing by value


John,

AFAIK VBA passes ByVal strings by reference but it first makes the copy of
the string to the heap memory... The same should be true for  VB.NET/C#. So,
one million bytes' length string will be copied to the heap memory and then
passed internally by ref. Heap memory is handled by virtual memory
management system - it should work rather well if one has speedy moderrn
HHDs for automatic swapping...

But of course passing one million bytes long strings as a ByVal parameter
isn't a good idea at all....

> As you know, everything in .net is an object
Yes, everything is an object but scalar types are used internall as they are
usually used in unmanaged systems - this optimization is done by .NET
Framework compilers. When a scalar type has to be treated as an object it is
getting "boxed" - boxing is a  ,NET Framework term:

See also:

Writing Faster Managed Code: Know What Things Cost
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dndotnet/ht
ml/fastmanagedcode.asp

Shamil

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John W. Colby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 3:21 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] DotNet passing by value


> Oooops...
>
> >.. passing anything else (including strings) by value.
>
> Should have said "by reference", i.e. placing a pointer to the object 
> on
the
> stack.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause: 
> http://folding.stanford.edu/
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. 
> Colby
> Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 7:11 AM
> To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com; 'Access Developers discussion and
> problemsolving'
> Subject: [AccessD] DotNet passing by value
>
>
> As you might be aware, VB.Net (and I assume the other .net languages 
> as
> well) pass all variables by value.  But what does this mean, and is it
true.
> As you know, everything in .net is an object, even common variables 
> such
as
> an integer or decimal etc.  Passing by value (in other languages) 
> means placing a COPY of the variable (or object in this case) on the 
> stack as
the
> function is called.  In VBA for example, when you pass by value, it 
> really does ONLY for the simple data types, passing anything else 
> (including
> strings) by value.
>
> Imagine passing a string, which could be a million bytes, by value - 
> literally making a copy and passing that into the stack.  IIRC the 
> total stack space for a given program in an Intel machine is something 
> like 128 kbytes which means that passing a single (huge) string by 
> value could
cause
> a stack overflow.  Now DotNet comes along claiming to pass everything 
> by value.  Is this more doublespeak?  And if so, what is the truth?
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause: 
> http://folding.stanford.edu/
>
>
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From shamil at users.mns.ru  Fri Aug 26 08:05:55 2005
From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 17:05:55 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] DotNet passing by value
References: <022201c5aa3a$7bb03de0$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <000e01c5aa3e$ebef7400$6501a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru>

No, objects are always passed by reference - here is a quick test, which
shows the difference (watch line wraps):

Module Module1

    Class TestMe
        Public TestInt As Integer = 0
    End Class

    Sub Main()
        Dim obj As TestMe = New TestMe
        Dim s As String = "***"
        testObject(obj, s)
        Console.WriteLine(String.Format("ByVal test: [{0}] [{1}]",
obj.TestInt.ToString(), s))
        obj.TestInt = 0
        testObject1(obj, s)
        Console.WriteLine(String.Format("ByRef test: [{0}] [{1}]",
obj.TestInt.ToString(), s))
    End Sub

    Sub testObject(ByVal obj As TestMe, ByVal s As String)
        obj.TestInt = 503
        s = "503"
    End Sub
    Sub testObject1(ByRef obj As TestMe, ByRef s As String)
        obj.TestInt = 503
        s = "503"
    End Sub

To pass objects by value you have to implement custom cloning:

See also:
 1. IClonable interface
 2. http://www.windojitsu.com/blog/copyctorvsicloneable.html (
Copy Constructors vs ICloneable -- Redux (Updated!))

Shamil


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From: "John W. Colby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 4:34 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] DotNet passing by value


> Does this imply that it makes a copy of every object before passing a
> pointer to that copy of the object?  That seems like a lot of overhead.
And
> is there any way to set the default to true "by reference"?  I am
accustomed
> to "by reference", and know what that means, and am accustomed to thinking
> about whether I am modifying the original object.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
> http://folding.stanford.edu/
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
> Salakhetdinov
> Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 8:25 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] DotNet passing by value
>
>
> John,
>
> AFAIK VBA passes ByVal strings by reference but it first makes the copy of
> the string to the heap memory... The same should be true for  VB.NET/C#.
So,
> one million bytes' length string will be copied to the heap memory and
then
> passed internally by ref. Heap memory is handled by virtual memory
> management system - it should work rather well if one has speedy moderrn
> HHDs for automatic swapping...
>
> But of course passing one million bytes long strings as a ByVal parameter
> isn't a good idea at all....
>
> > As you know, everything in .net is an object
> Yes, everything is an object but scalar types are used internall as they
are
> usually used in unmanaged systems - this optimization is done by .NET
> Framework compilers. When a scalar type has to be treated as an object it
is
> getting "boxed" - boxing is a  ,NET Framework term:
>
> See also:
>
> Writing Faster Managed Code: Know What Things Cost
>
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dndotnet/ht
> ml/fastmanagedcode.asp
>
> Shamil
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "John W. Colby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 3:21 PM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] DotNet passing by value
>
>
> > Oooops...
> >
> > >.. passing anything else (including strings) by value.
> >
> > Should have said "by reference", i.e. placing a pointer to the object
> > on
> the
> > stack.
> >
> > John W. Colby
> > www.ColbyConsulting.com
> >
> > Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
> > http://folding.stanford.edu/
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W.
> > Colby
> > Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 7:11 AM
> > To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com; 'Access Developers discussion and
> > problemsolving'
> > Subject: [AccessD] DotNet passing by value
> >
> >
> > As you might be aware, VB.Net (and I assume the other .net languages
> > as
> > well) pass all variables by value.  But what does this mean, and is it
> true.
> > As you know, everything in .net is an object, even common variables
> > such
> as
> > an integer or decimal etc.  Passing by value (in other languages)
> > means placing a COPY of the variable (or object in this case) on the
> > stack as
> the
> > function is called.  In VBA for example, when you pass by value, it
> > really does ONLY for the simple data types, passing anything else
> > (including
> > strings) by value.
> >
> > Imagine passing a string, which could be a million bytes, by value -
> > literally making a copy and passing that into the stack.  IIRC the
> > total stack space for a given program in an Intel machine is something
> > like 128 kbytes which means that passing a single (huge) string by
> > value could
> cause
> > a stack overflow.  Now DotNet comes along claiming to pass everything
> > by value.  Is this more doublespeak?  And if so, what is the truth?
> >
> > John W. Colby
> > www.ColbyConsulting.com
> >
> > Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
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From artful at rogers.com  Fri Aug 26 08:02:44 2005
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 09:02:44 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Roz's Novel
In-Reply-To: <20050826101542.48751.qmail@web50106.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <200508261302.j7QD2mR12703@databaseadvisors.com>

Roz on Extra-Marital Relationships?

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Roz Clarke
Sent: August 26, 2005 6:16 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Roz's Novel

Or one for the OT list...

Fear of Flaming

Roz



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Aug 26 08:04:38 2005
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 09:04:38 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] DotNet passing by value
In-Reply-To: <000201c5aa3c$5cb3bcd0$2e01a8c0@dorismanning>
Message-ID: <022601c5aa3e$b70ddb00$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

Sorry, I was referring to setting the default "pass by" method to TRUE "by
reference" - passing a pointer to the original object, not a copy of the
object.

John W. Colby
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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mike & Doris
Manning
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 8:48 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] DotNet passing by value


When you declare the variable, you can set the default.

Dim bolTest as Boolean = False

Doris Manning
mikedorism at verizon.net

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 8:34 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] DotNet passing by value

Does this imply that it makes a copy of every object before passing a
pointer to that copy of the object?  That seems like a lot of overhead.  And
is there any way to set the default to true "by reference"?  I am accustomed
to "by reference", and know what that means, and am accustomed to thinking
about whether I am modifying the original object.

John W. Colby
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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
Salakhetdinov
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 8:25 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] DotNet passing by value


John,

AFAIK VBA passes ByVal strings by reference but it first makes the copy of
the string to the heap memory... The same should be true for  VB.NET/C#. So,
one million bytes' length string will be copied to the heap memory and then
passed internally by ref. Heap memory is handled by virtual memory
management system - it should work rather well if one has speedy moderrn
HHDs for automatic swapping...

But of course passing one million bytes long strings as a ByVal parameter
isn't a good idea at all....

> As you know, everything in .net is an object
Yes, everything is an object but scalar types are used internall as they are
usually used in unmanaged systems - this optimization is done by .NET
Framework compilers. When a scalar type has to be treated as an object it is
getting "boxed" - boxing is a  ,NET Framework term:

See also:

Writing Faster Managed Code: Know What Things Cost
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dndotnet/ht
ml/fastmanagedcode.asp

Shamil

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From: "John W. Colby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 3:21 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] DotNet passing by value


> Oooops...
>
> >.. passing anything else (including strings) by value.
>
> Should have said "by reference", i.e. placing a pointer to the object
> on
the
> stack.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
> http://folding.stanford.edu/
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W.
> Colby
> Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 7:11 AM
> To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com; 'Access Developers discussion and
> problemsolving'
> Subject: [AccessD] DotNet passing by value
>
>
> As you might be aware, VB.Net (and I assume the other .net languages
> as
> well) pass all variables by value.  But what does this mean, and is it
true.
> As you know, everything in .net is an object, even common variables
> such
as
> an integer or decimal etc.  Passing by value (in other languages)
> means placing a COPY of the variable (or object in this case) on the 
> stack as
the
> function is called.  In VBA for example, when you pass by value, it
> really does ONLY for the simple data types, passing anything else 
> (including
> strings) by value.
>
> Imagine passing a string, which could be a million bytes, by value -
> literally making a copy and passing that into the stack.  IIRC the 
> total stack space for a given program in an Intel machine is something 
> like 128 kbytes which means that passing a single (huge) string by 
> value could
cause
> a stack overflow.  Now DotNet comes along claiming to pass everything
> by value.  Is this more doublespeak?  And if so, what is the truth?
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
> http://folding.stanford.edu/
>
>
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From roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk  Fri Aug 26 03:30:53 2005
From: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk (Roz Clarke)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 09:30:53 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Roz's Novel
Message-ID: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C8318807225F32@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>

ROFL. Very good Andy. I had to clutch my head for several minutes after
reading that last one. 

-----Original Message-----
From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk] 
Sent: 26 August 2005 08:21
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Roz's Novel


It's Friday so we can go for suggestions for alternative titles for Roz's
book. I'll start the ball rolling. 

Firstly I was musing about her subject matter and thinking of another work
which treats that broad subject. Thus I came up with "Hamlet - The SQL". But
that's more for the literary end of the market. Or, Roz, you could blatantly
go for the market of people who don't really read but will do if it's a
children's book that's ok for adults to be seen with - so "Harry Potter And
The Nobility Of Truth Versus The Attractions Of Artifice" (catchy I
thought). Finally if you wanted another theme how about a book for gullible
Ark theorists who like Dan Brown but prefer a quicker read - "The Da Vinci
Compiler" (groan).

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From tom.bolton at donnslaw.co.uk  Fri Aug 26 05:55:21 2005
From: tom.bolton at donnslaw.co.uk (Tom Bolton)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 11:55:21 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Roz's Novel
Message-ID: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C831880802A32E@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>

The Bound of the Baskervilles



*runs away*


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Sent: 26-Aug-2005 11:32
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Roz's Novel

A best seller waiting to happen.

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To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
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Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Roz's Novel
Date: 26/08/05 10:18


Harry Colby and the Nobility of Bound Versus the Attractions of Unbound


--- Andy Lacey <andy at minstersystems.co.uk> wrote:

> It's Friday so we can go for suggestions for alternative titles for Roz's
> book. I'll start the ball rolling.
>
> Firstly I was musing about her subject matter and thinking of another work
> which treats that broad subject. Thus I came up with "Hamlet - The SQL".
But
> that's more for the literary end of the market. Or, Roz, you could
blatantly
> go for the market of people who don't really read but will do if it's a
> children's book that's ok for adults to be seen with - so "Harry Potter
And
> The Nobility Of Truth Versus The Attractions Of Artifice" (catchy I
> thought). Finally if you wanted another theme how about a book for
gullible
> Ark theorists who like Dan Brown but prefer a quicker read - "The Da Vinci
> Compiler" (groan).
>
> -- Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
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From tom.bolton at donnslaw.co.uk  Fri Aug 26 05:53:46 2005
From: tom.bolton at donnslaw.co.uk (Tom Bolton)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 11:53:46 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Roz's Novel
Message-ID: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C831880802A32D@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>

The 158-Unbound Marriage

Or 

The World According to Clarke



</bad John Irving theme>

P.S. if anyone can think of a way of getting 'A Son of the Circus' in there
I'll be impressed



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From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk] 
Sent: 26-Aug-2005 11:32
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Roz's Novel

A best seller waiting to happen.

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To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
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Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Roz's Novel
Date: 26/08/05 10:18


Harry Colby and the Nobility of Bound Versus the Attractions of Unbound


--- Andy Lacey <andy at minstersystems.co.uk> wrote:

> It's Friday so we can go for suggestions for alternative titles for Roz's
> book. I'll start the ball rolling.
>
> Firstly I was musing about her subject matter and thinking of another work
> which treats that broad subject. Thus I came up with "Hamlet - The SQL".
But
> that's more for the literary end of the market. Or, Roz, you could
blatantly
> go for the market of people who don't really read but will do if it's a
> children's book that's ok for adults to be seen with - so "Harry Potter
And
> The Nobility Of Truth Versus The Attractions Of Artifice" (catchy I
> thought). Finally if you wanted another theme how about a book for
gullible
> Ark theorists who like Dan Brown but prefer a quicker read - "The Da Vinci
> Compiler" (groan).
>
> -- Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
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From roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk  Fri Aug 26 08:11:47 2005
From: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk (Roz Clarke)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 14:11:47 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Roz's Novel
Message-ID: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C8318807225F42@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>

What are you trying to say?

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Sent: 26 August 2005 14:03
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Roz's Novel


Roz on Extra-Marital Relationships?

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Roz Clarke
Sent: August 26, 2005 6:16 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Roz's Novel

Or one for the OT list...

Fear of Flaming

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Aug 26 09:25:45 2005
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 10:25:45 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Roz's Novel
In-Reply-To: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C8318807225F42@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>
Message-ID: <025001c5aa4a$0c363c70$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

I was wondering the same thing!  I think they took your love of the whip "a
step too far".

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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Roz Clarke
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 9:12 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Roz's Novel


What are you trying to say?

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Sent: 26 August 2005 14:03
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Roz's Novel


Roz on Extra-Marital Relationships?

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Roz Clarke
Sent: August 26, 2005 6:16 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Roz's Novel

Or one for the OT list...

Fear of Flaming

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From adtp at touchtelindia.net  Fri Aug 26 09:40:05 2005
From: adtp at touchtelindia.net (A.D.Tejpal)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 20:10:05 +0530
Subject: [AccessD] Building SQL statement
References: <015101c5a924$4f937db0$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <237001c5aa4c$259ab720$9a1865cb@winxp>

John,

    Add-In named  SQLToVBAString_ver2.zip, available in folder 0_Utilities And Add-Ins, in files section of Yahoo group named  MS_Access_Professionals might be of interest to you.

    Once installed, it coverts an SQL statement into VBA string (duly taking care of extra quotes if any) and copies the contents to the clipboard for direct use in VBA editor.

A.D.Tejpal
--------------

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  From: John W. Colby 
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  Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 08:53
  Subject: [AccessD] Building SQL statement


  I'm attempting to build a SQL statement to append data into a record.  One
  of the fields is text, including (possibly) any valid text including ' - for
  example in contractions such as "aren't" etc.

  My SQL statement is building up a statement in the format:

              lstrSQL = "INSERT INTO WebNewsItem ( WebNewsSourceID, Link,
  Title, ArticleDescription ) " & _
                          "SELECT " & webNewsSourceID & " AS WebNewsSourceID,
  '" & link & "' AS Link, '" & title & "' AS Title, '" & description & "' AS
  ArticleDescription;"

  The problem is that description can contain the ' character and thus I end
  up with an invalid SQL statement since the ' embedded in description "looks
  like" the ' that is supposed to enclose the text.

  I can't for the life of me remember how I am supposed to handle this.

  I could punt and open a recordset, create a new record, and place the data
  directly into the field, which I may end up doing but I sure would prefer to
  just do the "append query" thing.  It is (was) much simpler.

  John W. Colby
  www.ColbyConsulting.com 



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Aug 26 09:54:35 2005
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 10:54:35 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Building SQL statement
In-Reply-To: <237001c5aa4c$259ab720$9a1865cb@winxp>
Message-ID: <025401c5aa4e$1302f8a0$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

I thank everyone for their solutions.  In fact this is in VB.Net.  Fir this
particular problem I think the easiest solution will be to open a recordset
and place the string into a specific field.  I do understand the issue
though and the solution if I do want to build a SQL statement.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of A.D.Tejpal
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 10:40 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Building SQL statement


John,

    Add-In named  SQLToVBAString_ver2.zip, available in folder 0_Utilities
And Add-Ins, in files section of Yahoo group named  MS_Access_Professionals
might be of interest to you.

    Once installed, it coverts an SQL statement into VBA string (duly taking
care of extra quotes if any) and copies the contents to the clipboard for
direct use in VBA editor.

A.D.Tejpal
--------------

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: John W. Colby 
  To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' 
  Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 08:53
  Subject: [AccessD] Building SQL statement


  I'm attempting to build a SQL statement to append data into a record.  One
  of the fields is text, including (possibly) any valid text including ' -
for
  example in contractions such as "aren't" etc.

  My SQL statement is building up a statement in the format:

              lstrSQL = "INSERT INTO WebNewsItem ( WebNewsSourceID, Link,
  Title, ArticleDescription ) " & _
                          "SELECT " & webNewsSourceID & " AS
WebNewsSourceID,
  '" & link & "' AS Link, '" & title & "' AS Title, '" & description & "' AS
  ArticleDescription;"

  The problem is that description can contain the ' character and thus I end
  up with an invalid SQL statement since the ' embedded in description
"looks
  like" the ' that is supposed to enclose the text.

  I can't for the life of me remember how I am supposed to handle this.

  I could punt and open a recordset, create a new record, and place the data
  directly into the field, which I may end up doing but I sure would prefer
to
  just do the "append query" thing.  It is (was) much simpler.

  John W. Colby
  www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From artful at rogers.com  Fri Aug 26 10:00:25 2005
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 11:00:25 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Iterate through controls on a form
In-Reply-To: <022601c5aa3e$b70ddb00$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <200508261500.j7QF0SR13353@databaseadvisors.com>

Anyone got a loop handy that iterates through the controls on a form and
prints their data source? Ideally, it would also print a vbCRLF between the
controls on each tab page, if there are multiple pages.
TIA,
Arthur



From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com  Fri Aug 26 10:19:34 2005
From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 11:19:34 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Iterate through controls on a form
Message-ID: <1D7828CDB8350747AFE9D69E0E90DA1F14EA4490@xlivmbx21.aig.com>

Basically it's ...

Dim c as control
	For Each c in Me
		Debug.Print c.Name, c.ControlSource
	Next c

But you'll have to check for controls that do not have a Controlsource
property.


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Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 11:00 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Iterate through controls on a form


Anyone got a loop handy that iterates through the controls on a form and
prints their data source? Ideally, it would also print a vbCRLF between the
controls on each tab page, if there are multiple pages. TIA, Arthur

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri Aug 26 10:51:31 2005
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 08:51:31 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Zip files (was Logic issue)
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86873BFF@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Don't you think a cab file is a bit of overkill when all you want to do
is send an Access demo of a particular kind of operation??

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Gustav Brock [mailto:Gustav at cactus.dk] 
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 3:28 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Zip files (was Logic issue)


Hi all

As I wrote last year:

Some strip zip files from e-mails to avoid vira and spyware, thus cab
files can be a valid alternative for attaching compressed files.

You can use a MS command line util for this (cabarc.exe or makecab.exe)
or a freeware tool like CabPack 1.4, but did you know that Internet
Explorer comes with a GUI wizard-type wrapper for CabArc called
IExpress?

Just type iexpress at the Run entry in the Start menu. When finished, it
offers to save your settings as a "sed" file so you easily can repeat a
packing session.

/gustav


>>> cfoust at infostatsystems.com 25-08-2005 17:20 >>>
Does anyone know what the logic is for blocking zip files?  I run into
this occasionally and it drives me nuts!  You zip files to avoid the
filters that won't accept an mdb, etc., and then you run into filters
that won't accept the zip files.  Oops, Catch-22.  That drumming you
hear is my head pounding against the wall ....

Charlotte Foust

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri Aug 26 10:58:15 2005
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 08:58:15 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Roz's Novel
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86873C00@infoserver01.infostat.local>

ROTFLMAO  I'll buy that one!!

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Bolton [mailto:tom.bolton at donnslaw.co.uk] 
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 3:55 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Roz's Novel


The Bound of the Baskervilles



*runs away*


-----Original Message-----
From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk] 
Sent: 26-Aug-2005 11:32
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Roz's Novel

A best seller waiting to happen.

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Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Roz's Novel
Date: 26/08/05 10:18


Harry Colby and the Nobility of Bound Versus the Attractions of Unbound


--- Andy Lacey <andy at minstersystems.co.uk> wrote:

> It's Friday so we can go for suggestions for alternative titles for 
> Roz's book. I'll start the ball rolling.
>
> Firstly I was musing about her subject matter and thinking of another 
> work which treats that broad subject. Thus I came up with "Hamlet - 
> The SQL".
But
> that's more for the literary end of the market. Or, Roz, you could
blatantly
> go for the market of people who don't really read but will do if it's 
> a children's book that's ok for adults to be seen with - so "Harry 
> Potter
And
> The Nobility Of Truth Versus The Attractions Of Artifice" (catchy I 
> thought). Finally if you wanted another theme how about a book for
gullible
> Ark theorists who like Dan Brown but prefer a quicker read - "The Da 
> Vinci Compiler" (groan).
>
> -- Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri Aug 26 11:05:58 2005
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 09:05:58 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] DotNet passing by value
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8689A89B@infoserver01.infostat.local>

John,

It's true and it isn't.  You can pass arguments ByRef in .Net, but it
isn't the default.  And ByVal isn't the same in .Net as it was in
VB/VBA.  The VS.Net help contains a topic called "Parameter Passing
Mechanism Changes in Visual Basic" that you can find by typing "ByRef
keyword, what's changed" in the Look for: box under the index tab.

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 4:10 AM
To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com; 'Access Developers discussion and
problemsolving'
Subject: [AccessD] DotNet passing by value


As you might be aware, VB.Net (and I assume the other .net languages as
well) pass all variables by value.  But what does this mean, and is it
true. As you know, everything in .net is an object, even common
variables such as an integer or decimal etc.  Passing by value (in other
languages) means placing a COPY of the variable (or object in this case)
on the stack as the function is called.  In VBA for example, when you
pass by value, it really does ONLY for the simple data types, passing
anything else (including
strings) by value.  

Imagine passing a string, which could be a million bytes, by value -
literally making a copy and passing that into the stack.  IIRC the total
stack space for a given program in an Intel machine is something like
128 kbytes which means that passing a single (huge) string by value
could cause a stack overflow.  Now DotNet comes along claiming to pass
everything by value.  Is this more doublespeak?  And if so, what is the
truth?

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri Aug 26 11:18:41 2005
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 09:18:41 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Building SQL statement
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8689A89E@infoserver01.infostat.local>

John,  

You might have some cleaner, easier to read code if you made use of a
StringBuilder in .Net.  Once you get the hang of them, you never revert
to VB style concatenation again.

Dim bld As New System.Text.StringBuilder

bld.Append("INSERT INTO WebNewsItem ( WebNewsSourceID, Link, Title,
ArticleDescription ) ")
bld.AppendFormat(" "SELECT {0} AS WebNewsSourceID, ", webNewsSourceID)
bld.AppendFormat("'{0}' AS Link, ", link)
bld.AppendFormat("'{0}' AS Title, ", title)
bld.AppendFormat("'{0}' AS ArticleDescription;",
description.Replace("'", "''"))

lstrSQL = bld.ToString


Charlotte


-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 7:55 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Building SQL statement


I thank everyone for their solutions.  In fact this is in VB.Net.  Fir
this particular problem I think the easiest solution will be to open a
recordset and place the string into a specific field.  I do understand
the issue though and the solution if I do want to build a SQL statement.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of A.D.Tejpal
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 10:40 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Building SQL statement


John,

    Add-In named  SQLToVBAString_ver2.zip, available in folder
0_Utilities And Add-Ins, in files section of Yahoo group named
MS_Access_Professionals might be of interest to you.

    Once installed, it coverts an SQL statement into VBA string (duly
taking care of extra quotes if any) and copies the contents to the
clipboard for direct use in VBA editor.

A.D.Tejpal
--------------

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: John W. Colby 
  To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' 
  Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 08:53
  Subject: [AccessD] Building SQL statement


  I'm attempting to build a SQL statement to append data into a record.
One
  of the fields is text, including (possibly) any valid text including '
- for
  example in contractions such as "aren't" etc.

  My SQL statement is building up a statement in the format:

              lstrSQL = "INSERT INTO WebNewsItem ( WebNewsSourceID,
Link,
  Title, ArticleDescription ) " & _
                          "SELECT " & webNewsSourceID & " AS
WebNewsSourceID,
  '" & link & "' AS Link, '" & title & "' AS Title, '" & description &
"' AS
  ArticleDescription;"

  The problem is that description can contain the ' character and thus I
end
  up with an invalid SQL statement since the ' embedded in description
"looks
  like" the ' that is supposed to enclose the text.

  I can't for the life of me remember how I am supposed to handle this.

  I could punt and open a recordset, create a new record, and place the
data
  directly into the field, which I may end up doing but I sure would
prefer to
  just do the "append query" thing.  It is (was) much simpler.

  John W. Colby
  www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Aug 26 11:32:31 2005
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 18:32:31 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Zip files (was Logic issue)
Message-ID: <s30f604a.049@cactus.dk>

Hi Charlotte

No, why? If so, it would be overkill too, to zip the file.

Cab files
 - are never filtered out except if all attachments are removed.
 - are opened natively by Windows 2000+
 - do compress mdb files better than zip

/gustav

>>> cfoust at infostatsystems.com 26-08-2005 17:51 >>>
Don't you think a cab file is a bit of overkill when all you want to
do
is send an Access demo of a particular kind of operation??



From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri Aug 26 11:43:20 2005
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 09:43:20 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Building SQL statement
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86873C04@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Darn!  The code got mangled and wrapped.  Lets try it again ..
.
Dim bld As New System.Text.StringBuilder

bld.Append("INSERT INTO WebNewsItem ( WebNewsSourceID, Link, Title,
ArticleDescription ) ") 

bld.AppendFormat(" "SELECT {0} AS WebNewsSourceID, ", webNewsSourceID) 

bld.AppendFormat("'{0}' AS Link, ", link) 

bld.AppendFormat("'{0}' AS Title, ", title) 

bld.AppendFormat("'{0}' AS ArticleDescription;",
description.Replace("'", "''"))

lstrSQL = bld.ToString


Charlotte


-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust 
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 9:19 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Building SQL statement


John,  

You might have some cleaner, easier to read code if you made use of a
StringBuilder in .Net.  Once you get the hang of them, you never revert
to VB style concatenation again.

Dim bld As New System.Text.StringBuilder

bld.Append("INSERT INTO WebNewsItem ( WebNewsSourceID, Link, Title,
ArticleDescription ) ") bld.AppendFormat(" "SELECT {0} AS
WebNewsSourceID, ", webNewsSourceID) bld.AppendFormat("'{0}' AS Link, ",
link) bld.AppendFormat("'{0}' AS Title, ", title)
bld.AppendFormat("'{0}' AS ArticleDescription;",
description.Replace("'", "''"))

lstrSQL = bld.ToString


Charlotte


-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 7:55 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Building SQL statement


I thank everyone for their solutions.  In fact this is in VB.Net.  Fir
this particular problem I think the easiest solution will be to open a
recordset and place the string into a specific field.  I do understand
the issue though and the solution if I do want to build a SQL statement.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of A.D.Tejpal
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 10:40 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Building SQL statement


John,

    Add-In named  SQLToVBAString_ver2.zip, available in folder
0_Utilities And Add-Ins, in files section of Yahoo group named
MS_Access_Professionals might be of interest to you.

    Once installed, it coverts an SQL statement into VBA string (duly
taking care of extra quotes if any) and copies the contents to the
clipboard for direct use in VBA editor.

A.D.Tejpal
--------------

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: John W. Colby 
  To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' 
  Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 08:53
  Subject: [AccessD] Building SQL statement


  I'm attempting to build a SQL statement to append data into a record.
One
  of the fields is text, including (possibly) any valid text including '
- for
  example in contractions such as "aren't" etc.

  My SQL statement is building up a statement in the format:

              lstrSQL = "INSERT INTO WebNewsItem ( WebNewsSourceID,
Link,
  Title, ArticleDescription ) " & _
                          "SELECT " & webNewsSourceID & " AS
WebNewsSourceID,
  '" & link & "' AS Link, '" & title & "' AS Title, '" & description &
"' AS
  ArticleDescription;"

  The problem is that description can contain the ' character and thus I
end
  up with an invalid SQL statement since the ' embedded in description
"looks
  like" the ' that is supposed to enclose the text.

  I can't for the life of me remember how I am supposed to handle this.

  I could punt and open a recordset, create a new record, and place the
data
  directly into the field, which I may end up doing but I sure would
prefer to
  just do the "append query" thing.  It is (was) much simpler.

  John W. Colby
  www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Aug 26 11:56:53 2005
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 09:56:53 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Using technolgyl
In-Reply-To: <001d01c5aa0e$b377bcc0$a5c00c54@minster33c3r25>
Message-ID: <0ILU002WQ9QSE7@l-daemon>

As this is Friday I thought I would pass this along.

Just your typical integration expert who happens to know some Microsoft and
java technology jargon keywords and decided it was a brilliant idea to
integrate technologies using as many as he/she could:
 
http://www.thedailywtf.com/forums/41672/ShowPost.aspx
 
...and it works... only just.

Of course we have all done similar projects :-)

Jim 



From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Aug 26 12:00:57 2005
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 10:00:57 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Zip files (was Logic issue)
In-Reply-To: <s30f0af3.039@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <0ILU0024E9XKAU@l-daemon>

That is brilliant... where do find all this stuff?

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 3:28 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Zip files (was Logic issue)

Hi all

As I wrote last year:

Some strip zip files from e-mails to avoid vira and spyware, thus cab
files can be a valid alternative for attaching compressed files.

You can use a MS command line util for this (cabarc.exe or makecab.exe)
or a freeware tool like CabPack 1.4, but did you know that Internet
Explorer comes with a GUI wizard-type wrapper for CabArc called
IExpress?

Just type iexpress at the Run entry in the Start menu. When finished,
it offers to save your settings as a "sed" file so you easily can repeat
a packing session.

/gustav


>>> cfoust at infostatsystems.com 25-08-2005 17:20 >>>
Does anyone know what the logic is for blocking zip files?  I run into
this occasionally and it drives me nuts!  You zip files to avoid the
filters that won't accept an mdb, etc., and then you run into filters
that won't accept the zip files.  Oops, Catch-22.  That drumming you
hear is my head pounding against the wall ....

Charlotte Foust

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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Aug 26 12:30:12 2005
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 19:30:12 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Zip files (was Logic issue)
Message-ID: <s30f6dea.051@cactus.dk>

Hi Jim

Thanks! This one I picked up at Fred Langa:

  http://www.langa.com/newsletters/2003/2003-06-23.htm 

/gustav

>>> accessd at shaw.ca 26-08-2005 19:00 >>>
That is brilliant... where do find all this stuff?

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav
Brock
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 3:28 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Zip files (was Logic issue)

Hi all

As I wrote last year:

Some strip zip files from e-mails to avoid vira and spyware, thus cab
files can be a valid alternative for attaching compressed files.

You can use a MS command line util for this (cabarc.exe or
makecab.exe)
or a freeware tool like CabPack 1.4, but did you know that Internet
Explorer comes with a GUI wizard-type wrapper for CabArc called
IExpress?

Just type iexpress at the Run entry in the Start menu. When finished,
it offers to save your settings as a "sed" file so you easily can
repeat
a packing session.

/gustav


>>> cfoust at infostatsystems.com 25-08-2005 17:20 >>>
Does anyone know what the logic is for blocking zip files?  I run into
this occasionally and it drives me nuts!  You zip files to avoid the
filters that won't accept an mdb, etc., and then you run into filters
that won't accept the zip files.  Oops, Catch-22.  That drumming you
hear is my head pounding against the wall ....

Charlotte Foust



From pedro at plex.nl  Fri Aug 26 17:29:52 2005
From: pedro at plex.nl (Pedro Janssen)
Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 00:29:52 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] adding control number
References: <s30f1bd8.041@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <008c01c5aa8d$ae8cc960$fac581d5@pedro>

Hello,

thanks to alle who responded. You real time savers.

Pedro Janssen


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gustav Brock" <Gustav at cactus.dk>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 1:40 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] adding control number


> Hi Pedro 
> 
> Looks like a Modulus 10 check digit calculation.
> Below is a function that will do this for you in a maintainable way.
> 
> Use it like this:
> 
> strChk = Right(ModulusAppend("00327833", 10), Len("00327833"))
> 
> /gustav
> 
> <code>
> 
> Function ModulusAppend( _
>   ByVal strNumber As String, _
>   ByVal intModulus As Integer) _
>   As String
> 
> ' Appends a Modulus 10 or 11 check digit to strNumber.
> '
> ' 1999-10-08. Cactus Data ApS, CPH.
> 
>   Dim intC As Integer, intF As Integer, intN As Integer
>   Dim intL As Integer, intM As Integer, intT As Integer
>   Dim strNumCheck As String
>   Dim strNumChr   As String
>   Dim strNumClean As String
>   
>   ' Max. length of number.
>   intM = 32 - 1
>   
>   If intModulus = 10 Or intModulus = 11 Then
>     intL = Len(strNumber)
>     ' Remove non-digits.
>     For intN = 0 To intL - 1
>       strNumChr = Mid(strNumber, intN + 1, 1)
>       If (Asc(strNumChr) >= 48) And (Asc(strNumChr) <= 57) Then
>         strNumClean = strNumClean & strNumChr
>       End If
>     Next intN
>     strNumber = strNumClean
>     intL = Len(strNumber)
>   End If
>   
>   If intL > 0 And intL <= intM Then
>     For intN = 0 To intL - 1
>       intC = Val(Mid(strNumber, intL - intN, 1))
>       Select Case intModulus
>         Case Is = 10
>           intF = (1 + ((intN + 1) Mod 2))
>           intC = intF * intC
>           intC = Int(intC / 10) + (intC Mod 10)
>         Case Is = 11
>           intF = 2 + (intN Mod 6)
>           intC = intF * intC
>       End Select
>       intT = intT + intC
>     Next
>     Select Case intModulus
>       Case Is = 10
>         intC = intT - (intT Mod intModulus) + intModulus
>         strNumCheck = Format((intC - intT) Mod intModulus, "@")
>       Case Is = 11
>         intC = intModulus - (intT Mod intModulus)
>         Select Case intC
>           Case Is = 11
>             ' A check digit for this number cannot be calculated!
>             strNumber = vbNullString
>             intC = 0
>             Beep
>           Case Is = 10
>             intC = 0
>         End Select
>         strNumCheck = Format(intC, "@")
>     End Select
>     strNumber = strNumber & strNumCheck
>   Else
>     strNumber = "0"
>   End If
>   
>   ModulusAppend = strNumber
> 
> End Function
> 
> </code>
> 
> 
> >>> pedro at plex.nl 26-08-2005 11:11 >>>
> Hello Group,
> 
> I have an ID (text, because it begins with 00) that exist of 8
> numbers.
> I need to change this ID by removing the first 0, and by adding a extra
> control number.
> This control number can be calculated from this ID. This can be done by
> several query's. Is it possible to do in one query??
> 
> For example.
> 
> I have ID:  00327833
> 
> Take the number of the odd positions:    0 3 7 3
> 
> Place these numbers behind each other to make one number:    0373
> 
> Multiply this number with 2:    0373 x 2 = 0746
> 
> Count up the separate numbers from this last multiplication:    0 + 7 +
> 4 + 6 = 17
> 
> >From the original ID, take the even positions:    0 2 8 3
> 
> Count up the separate numbers from the even positions with the sum of
> the last count up:    17 + 0 + 2 + 8 + 3 = 30
> 
> The last number of the previous sum is the extra control number:    0
> 
> >From the original ID, remove the first 0 and add the control number:  
>  03278330
> 
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From artful at rogers.com  Fri Aug 26 22:38:33 2005
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 23:38:33 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] VBA to ActiveX
In-Reply-To: <20050822214246.41640.qmail@web33114.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <200508270338.j7R3cTR04495@databaseadvisors.com>

I somehow missed your question in previous visits. Did you receive a
satisfactory answer? In short, I would say that ALL such calculation-type
code that can be moved to the server SHOULD be moved to the server.
Depending on the particulars, you might use a sproc or a UDF, but I am most
definitely in the camp that what the back end can do the back end SHOULD do.

Arthur

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lonnie Johnson
Sent: August 22, 2005 5:43 PM
To: AccessD solving'
Subject: [AccessD] VBA to ActiveX

I have lots of VBA code in an Access datatabase that runs each night to
update various tables and values based on certain conditions. Some of it is
complicated such as calculating distance based on longitude and latitude and
it is why I use VBA.
 
However, I would like to move this processing over to our SQL Server. Would
it be easy to convert some of the functions to DTS ActiveX packages? Is this
even the way to go? I am looking to increase the performance and figured I
could do so by moving it to the SQL Server side.




May God bless you beyond your imagination!
Lonnie Johnson
ProDev, Professional Development of MS Access Databases
Visit me at ==> http://www.prodev.us





 





		
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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Sat Aug 27 00:19:22 2005
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 22:19:22 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] adding control number
References: <s30f1bd8.041@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <430FF7DA.6050700@shaw.ca>

Just as a matter of interest this works to verify last digit on Canadian 
SIN Social Insurance number
Just pass first 8 digits in string ModulusAppend(lSIN, 10)
and you get 9'th check digit appended.
You could use for verifying ISBN numbers but need to handle additional 
 appending of -X in method

Gustav Brock wrote:

>Hi Pedro 
>
>Looks like a Modulus 10 check digit calculation.
>Below is a function that will do this for you in a maintainable way.
>
>Use it like this:
>
>strChk = Right(ModulusAppend("00327833", 10), Len("00327833"))
>
>/gustav
>
><code>
>
>Function ModulusAppend( _
>  ByVal strNumber As String, _
>  ByVal intModulus As Integer) _
>  As String
>
>' Appends a Modulus 10 or 11 check digit to strNumber.
>'
>' 1999-10-08. Cactus Data ApS, CPH.
>
>  Dim intC As Integer, intF As Integer, intN As Integer
>  Dim intL As Integer, intM As Integer, intT As Integer
>  Dim strNumCheck As String
>  Dim strNumChr   As String
>  Dim strNumClean As String
>  
>  ' Max. length of number.
>  intM = 32 - 1
>  
>  If intModulus = 10 Or intModulus = 11 Then
>    intL = Len(strNumber)
>    ' Remove non-digits.
>    For intN = 0 To intL - 1
>      strNumChr = Mid(strNumber, intN + 1, 1)
>      If (Asc(strNumChr) >= 48) And (Asc(strNumChr) <= 57) Then
>        strNumClean = strNumClean & strNumChr
>      End If
>    Next intN
>    strNumber = strNumClean
>    intL = Len(strNumber)
>  End If
>  
>  If intL > 0 And intL <= intM Then
>    For intN = 0 To intL - 1
>      intC = Val(Mid(strNumber, intL - intN, 1))
>      Select Case intModulus
>        Case Is = 10
>          intF = (1 + ((intN + 1) Mod 2))
>          intC = intF * intC
>          intC = Int(intC / 10) + (intC Mod 10)
>        Case Is = 11
>          intF = 2 + (intN Mod 6)
>          intC = intF * intC
>      End Select
>      intT = intT + intC
>    Next
>    Select Case intModulus
>      Case Is = 10
>        intC = intT - (intT Mod intModulus) + intModulus
>        strNumCheck = Format((intC - intT) Mod intModulus, "@")
>      Case Is = 11
>        intC = intModulus - (intT Mod intModulus)
>        Select Case intC
>          Case Is = 11
>            ' A check digit for this number cannot be calculated!
>            strNumber = vbNullString
>            intC = 0
>            Beep
>          Case Is = 10
>            intC = 0
>        End Select
>        strNumCheck = Format(intC, "@")
>    End Select
>    strNumber = strNumber & strNumCheck
>  Else
>    strNumber = "0"
>  End If
>  
>  ModulusAppend = strNumber
>
>End Function
>
></code>
>
>
>  
>
>>>>pedro at plex.nl 26-08-2005 11:11 >>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>Hello Group,
>
>I have an ID (text, because it begins with 00) that exist of 8
>numbers.
>I need to change this ID by removing the first 0, and by adding a extra
>control number.
>This control number can be calculated from this ID. This can be done by
>several query's. Is it possible to do in one query??
>
>For example.
>
>I have ID:  00327833
>
>Take the number of the odd positions:    0 3 7 3
>
>Place these numbers behind each other to make one number:    0373
>
>Multiply this number with 2:    0373 x 2 = 0746
>
>Count up the separate numbers from this last multiplication:    0 + 7 +
>4 + 6 = 17
>
>>From the original ID, take the even positions:    0 2 8 3
>
>Count up the separate numbers from the even positions with the sum of
>the last count up:    17 + 0 + 2 + 8 + 3 = 30
>
>The last number of the previous sum is the extra control number:    0
>
>>From the original ID, remove the first 0 and add the control number:  
> 03278330
>
>  
>

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Canada





From Gustav at cactus.dk  Sat Aug 27 01:38:53 2005
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 08:38:53 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] adding control number
Message-ID: <s31026ba.057@cactus.dk>

Hi Marty

Yes, Modulus 10 verification is widely used. 
Another example is the European unique product numbers EAN-8 and EAN-13
which I understand now is to be implemented in the US as well. Usually
it is presented as a barcode too.

Another check is the Modulus 9710 verification. Much more fun, and used
for the international exchange of bank accounts called IBAN.

/gustav

>>> martyconnelly at shaw.ca 27-08-2005 07:19 >>>
Just as a matter of interest this works to verify last digit on
Canadian 
SIN Social Insurance number
Just pass first 8 digits in string ModulusAppend(lSIN, 10)
and you get 9'th check digit appended.
You could use for verifying ISBN numbers but need to handle additional

 appending of -X in method

Gustav Brock wrote:

>Hi Pedro 
>
>Looks like a Modulus 10 check digit calculation.



From artful at rogers.com  Sun Aug 28 07:37:33 2005
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2005 08:37:33 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Select Count(*) from different tables
In-Reply-To: <200508270338.j7R3cTR04495@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <200508281237.j7SCbdR05631@databaseadvisors.com>

I have two MDBs identical in structure (or nearly so) and I want to compare
the counts of each pair of tables and put the results all in a single query.
I know that I have done this before, but I can't quite remember the syntax I
used. It is something along the lines of:
SELECT 
Count(*) AS AssessID_Notes_Count
FROM [AssessID_Notes_DS Without Matching AssessID_Notes],
(SELECT Count(*) AS Bill_Time_Machine_Count
FROM [Bill_Time_Machine_DS Without Matching Bill_Time_Machine])

But the above returns only one column, not two as I would expect. Since I
want to compare about two dozen tables (queries, actually), I stopped at two
until I could get it right. Removing the parentheses from the second
"column" results in an error.
Can anyone suggest the correct syntax for this type of query? (This case is
Access MDB not ADP, but it might be useful to have both answers handy.)
TIA,
Arthur



From artful at rogers.com  Sun Aug 28 07:51:46 2005
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2005 08:51:46 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Select Count(*) from different tables
In-Reply-To: <200508281237.j7SCbdR05631@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <200508281251.j7SCpqR09395@databaseadvisors.com>

I should perhaps have pointed out that the way I am doing this is by using a
third MDB which links to the two MDBs of interest and their tables of
interest. The links to the tables in MDB_1 have been renamed using the "_DS"
suffix, to distinguish them from identically named tables without the suffix
in MDB_2. That might help you make sense of the query.
I did it this way so as not to clutter either MDB_1 or MDB_2 with the
compare queries.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: August 28, 2005 8:38 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Select Count(*) from different tables

I have two MDBs identical in structure (or nearly so) and I want to compare
the counts of each pair of tables and put the results all in a single query.
I know that I have done this before, but I can't quite remember the syntax I
used. It is something along the lines of:
SELECT 
Count(*) AS AssessID_Notes_Count
FROM [AssessID_Notes_DS Without Matching AssessID_Notes],
(SELECT Count(*) AS Bill_Time_Machine_Count
FROM [Bill_Time_Machine_DS Without Matching Bill_Time_Machine])

But the above returns only one column, not two as I would expect. Since I
want to compare about two dozen tables (queries, actually), I stopped at two
until I could get it right. Removing the parentheses from the second
"column" results in an error.
Can anyone suggest the correct syntax for this type of query? (This case is
Access MDB not ADP, but it might be useful to have both answers handy.)
TIA,
Arthur

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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Sun Aug 28 08:01:35 2005
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2005 15:01:35 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Select Count(*) from different tables
Message-ID: <s311d1e9.072@cactus.dk>

Hi Arthur

It could be:

  SELECT 
      Count(*) AS 
    AssessID_Notes_Count,
      (SELECT 
        Count(*) 
      FROM 
        [Bill_Time_Machine_DS Without Matching Bill_Time_Machine]) AS 
    Bill_Time_Machine_Count
  FROM 
    [AssessID_Notes_DS Without Matching AssessID_Notes];

/gustav

>>> artful at rogers.com 28-08-2005 14:37 >>>
I have two MDBs identical in structure (or nearly so) and I want to
compare
the counts of each pair of tables and put the results all in a single
query.
I know that I have done this before, but I can't quite remember the
syntax I
used. It is something along the lines of:
SELECT 
Count(*) AS AssessID_Notes_Count
FROM [AssessID_Notes_DS Without Matching AssessID_Notes],
(SELECT Count(*) AS Bill_Time_Machine_Count
FROM [Bill_Time_Machine_DS Without Matching Bill_Time_Machine])

But the above returns only one column, not two as I would expect. Since
I
want to compare about two dozen tables (queries, actually), I stopped
at two
until I could get it right. Removing the parentheses from the second
"column" results in an error.
Can anyone suggest the correct syntax for this type of query? (This
case is
Access MDB not ADP, but it might be useful to have both answers
handy.)
TIA,
Arthur



From adtp at touchtelindia.net  Sun Aug 28 09:44:12 2005
From: adtp at touchtelindia.net (A.D.Tejpal)
Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2005 20:14:12 +0530
Subject: [AccessD] Select Count(*) from different tables
References: <200508281237.j7SCbdR05631@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <008d01c5abdf$05905950$811865cb@winxp>

Arthur,

    Sample query given below will get you four columns of Count(*) from four tables named T_A to T_D.

    Table T_Dummy is a dummy table with just one record. Its contents are of no significance.

Best wishes,
A.D.Tejpal
--------------

==================================
SELECT (Select Count(*) From T_A) AS Count_A, (Select Count(*) From T_B) AS Count_B, (Select Count(*) From T_C) AS Count_C, (Select Count(*) From T_D) AS Count_D
FROM T_Dummy;
==================================

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Arthur Fuller 
  To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' 
  Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2005 18:07
  Subject: [AccessD] Select Count(*) from different tables


  I have two MDBs identical in structure (or nearly so) and I want to compare the counts of each pair of tables and put the results all in a single query.
  I know that I have done this before, but I can't quite remember the syntax I used. It is something along the lines of:
  SELECT 
  Count(*) AS AssessID_Notes_Count
  FROM [AssessID_Notes_DS Without Matching AssessID_Notes],
  (SELECT Count(*) AS Bill_Time_Machine_Count
  FROM [Bill_Time_Machine_DS Without Matching Bill_Time_Machine])

  But the above returns only one column, not two as I would expect. Since I
  want to compare about two dozen tables (queries, actually), I stopped at two
  until I could get it right. Removing the parentheses from the second
  "column" results in an error.
  Can anyone suggest the correct syntax for this type of query? (This case is
  Access MDB not ADP, but it might be useful to have both answers handy.)
  TIA,
  Arthur


From artful at rogers.com  Sun Aug 28 11:35:26 2005
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2005 12:35:26 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Select Count(*) from different tables
In-Reply-To: <s311d1e9.072@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <200508281635.j7SGZTR00910@databaseadvisors.com>

Thanks! My excuse is old age LOL. :-)

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: August 28, 2005 9:02 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Select Count(*) from different tables

Hi Arthur

It could be:

  SELECT 
      Count(*) AS 
    AssessID_Notes_Count,
      (SELECT 
        Count(*) 
      FROM 
        [Bill_Time_Machine_DS Without Matching Bill_Time_Machine]) AS 
    Bill_Time_Machine_Count
  FROM 
    [AssessID_Notes_DS Without Matching AssessID_Notes];

/gustav

>>> artful at rogers.com 28-08-2005 14:37 >>>
I have two MDBs identical in structure (or nearly so) and I want to
compare
the counts of each pair of tables and put the results all in a single
query.
I know that I have done this before, but I can't quite remember the
syntax I
used. It is something along the lines of:
SELECT 
Count(*) AS AssessID_Notes_Count
FROM [AssessID_Notes_DS Without Matching AssessID_Notes],
(SELECT Count(*) AS Bill_Time_Machine_Count
FROM [Bill_Time_Machine_DS Without Matching Bill_Time_Machine])

But the above returns only one column, not two as I would expect. Since
I
want to compare about two dozen tables (queries, actually), I stopped
at two
until I could get it right. Removing the parentheses from the second
"column" results in an error.
Can anyone suggest the correct syntax for this type of query? (This
case is
Access MDB not ADP, but it might be useful to have both answers
handy.)
TIA,
Arthur

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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sun Aug 28 17:02:01 2005
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 08:02:01 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Select Count(*) from different tables
In-Reply-To: <200508281237.j7SCbdR05631@databaseadvisors.com>
References: <200508270338.j7R3cTR04495@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <4312C0F9.270.16AE89F0@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

On 28 Aug 2005 at 8:37, Arthur Fuller wrote:

Not sure quite what you mean bye compair the count of "each pair of tables" 
since you also say "I want to compare about two dozen tables"

Is this what you are talking about?
 
SELECT  "AssessID_Notes" as QName,  Count(*) 
 FROM [AssessID_Notes_DS Without Matching AssessID_Notes],

UNION

SELECT "Bill_Time_Machine",  Count(*) 
 FROM [Bill_Time_Machine_DS Without Matching Bill_Time_Machine])

UNION

SELECT "Description","Count(*)
FROM [qryMyNextQuery]


> I have two MDBs identical in structure (or nearly so) and I want to
> compare the counts of each pair of tables and put the results all in a
> single query. I know that I have done this before, but I can't quite
> remember the syntax I used. It is something along the lines of: 
> 

> But the above returns only one column, not two as I would expect. Since
> I want to compare about two dozen tables (queries, actually), I stopped
> at two until I could get it right. Removing the parentheses from the
> second "column" results in an error. 

> Can anyone suggest the correct syntax for this type of query? (This case
> is Access MDB not ADP, but it might be useful to have both answers
> handy.) 

-- 
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From artful at rogers.com  Sun Aug 28 17:14:44 2005
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2005 18:14:44 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Select Count(*) from different tables
In-Reply-To: <4312C0F9.270.16AE89F0@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <200508282214.j7SMEiR18224@databaseadvisors.com>

That is one potential approach but not the one I had in mind. What I had in
mind was more like this. Assume BE1 and BE2, both linked to the FE that does
this.
Select Count(*) From BE1.Table1, Count(*) From BE2.T1
Select Count(*) From BE1.Table2, Count(*) From BE2.T2

Actually, this is not necessary since there are queries that use the
non-duplicate thingie to return the rows not present in BE2 that are present
in BE1. I then use this query result to do an append query to BE2. 
At this moment, I can do what I need to do using Dcount(), but it sucks, in
terms of performance. It works, but it is SLOW.
For each pair of tables (call the abstract T1_DS and T1), I want the
rowcount from each and to report the difference. And I want to do these
differences for all the tables of interest. Assume about 25 pairs of tables.
The Union approach gives me rows. I want columns, because I want to display
the results on one "row" of one results form.
A.
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: August 28, 2005 6:02 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Select Count(*) from different tables

On 28 Aug 2005 at 8:37, Arthur Fuller wrote:

Not sure quite what you mean bye compair the count of "each pair of tables" 
since you also say "I want to compare about two dozen tables"

Is this what you are talking about?
 
SELECT  "AssessID_Notes" as QName,  Count(*) 
 FROM [AssessID_Notes_DS Without Matching AssessID_Notes],

UNION

SELECT "Bill_Time_Machine",  Count(*) 
 FROM [Bill_Time_Machine_DS Without Matching Bill_Time_Machine])

UNION

SELECT "Description","Count(*)
FROM [qryMyNextQuery]


> I have two MDBs identical in structure (or nearly so) and I want to
> compare the counts of each pair of tables and put the results all in a
> single query. I know that I have done this before, but I can't quite
> remember the syntax I used. It is something along the lines of: 
> 

> But the above returns only one column, not two as I would expect. Since
> I want to compare about two dozen tables (queries, actually), I stopped
> at two until I could get it right. Removing the parentheses from the
> second "column" results in an error. 

> Can anyone suggest the correct syntax for this type of query? (This case
> is Access MDB not ADP, but it might be useful to have both answers
> handy.) 

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From actebs at actebs.com.au  Sun Aug 28 19:05:48 2005
From: actebs at actebs.com.au (ACTEBS)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 10:05:48 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Relink temporarily
Message-ID: <2025BB6F17FCB54791F23CD50558332810FC74@starfleet.unknown.local>

Hi everyone,
 
Does anyone have a procedure that they are willing to share that can
temporarily link a table and then once finished removes the link from
the DB? I am using A2K for a small app and just can't seem to find any
info on this...
 
Thanks in advance
Vlad
 
 


From adtp at touchtelindia.net  Sun Aug 28 22:58:22 2005
From: adtp at touchtelindia.net (A.D.Tejpal)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 09:28:22 +0530
Subject: [AccessD] Select Count(*) from different tables
References: <200508282214.j7SMEiR18224@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <004a01c5ac4d$f97c4f60$0100007f@winxp>

Arthur,

    The solution suggested in my previous post is meant to ensure an output of just one row, the number of columns being equal to the number of tables in question.

Best wishes,
A.D.Tejpal
--------------

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Arthur Fuller 
  To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' 
  Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 03:44
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] Select Count(*) from different tables


  That is one potential approach but not the one I had in mind. What I had in mind was more like this. Assume BE1 and BE2, both linked to the FE that does this.
  Select Count(*) From BE1.Table1, Count(*) From BE2.T1
  Select Count(*) From BE1.Table2, Count(*) From BE2.T2

  Actually, this is not necessary since there are queries that use the
  non-duplicate thingie to return the rows not present in BE2 that are present
  in BE1. I then use this query result to do an append query to BE2. 
  At this moment, I can do what I need to do using Dcount(), but it sucks, in
  terms of performance. It works, but it is SLOW.
  For each pair of tables (call the abstract T1_DS and T1), I want the
  rowcount from each and to report the difference. And I want to do these
  differences for all the tables of interest. Assume about 25 pairs of tables.
  The Union approach gives me rows. I want columns, because I want to display
  the results on one "row" of one results form.
  A.
  -----Original Message-----
  From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
  [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
  Sent: August 28, 2005 6:02 PM
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Select Count(*) from different tables

  On 28 Aug 2005 at 8:37, Arthur Fuller wrote:

  Not sure quite what you mean bye compair the count of "each pair of tables" 
  since you also say "I want to compare about two dozen tables"

  Is this what you are talking about?
   
  SELECT  "AssessID_Notes" as QName,  Count(*) 
   FROM [AssessID_Notes_DS Without Matching AssessID_Notes],

  UNION

  SELECT "Bill_Time_Machine",  Count(*) 
   FROM [Bill_Time_Machine_DS Without Matching Bill_Time_Machine])

  UNION

  SELECT "Description","Count(*)
  FROM [qryMyNextQuery]


  > I have two MDBs identical in structure (or nearly so) and I want to
  > compare the counts of each pair of tables and put the results all in a
  > single query. I know that I have done this before, but I can't quite
  > remember the syntax I used. It is something along the lines of: 
  > 

  > But the above returns only one column, not two as I would expect. Since
  > I want to compare about two dozen tables (queries, actually), I stopped
  > at two until I could get it right. Removing the parentheses from the
  > second "column" results in an error. 

  > Can anyone suggest the correct syntax for this type of query? (This case
  > is Access MDB not ADP, but it might be useful to have both answers
  > handy.) 

  -- 
  Stuart


From Gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Aug 29 03:15:57 2005
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 10:15:57 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Relink temporarily
Message-ID: <s312e07b.078@cactus.dk>

Hi Vlad

You can use IN in a select query for this:

  SELECT 
    *
  FROM 
    tblTable IN "" [;DATABASE=d:\folder\file.mdb;];

This will not even link the table, just open it.

If you need an actual linked table, use DoCmd.TransferDatabase with the
constant acLink and delete the table when finished.

/gustav

>>> actebs at actebs.com.au 29-08-2005 02:05 >>>
Hi everyone,
 
Does anyone have a procedure that they are willing to share that can
temporarily link a table and then once finished removes the link from
the DB? I am using A2K for a small app and just can't seem to find any
info on this...
 
Thanks in advance
Vlad



From viner at EUnet.yu  Mon Aug 29 06:46:29 2005
From: viner at EUnet.yu (Ervin Brindza)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 13:46:29 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Excel Repeat the first row of the table on every page
Message-ID: <003301c5ac8f$55a896e0$0100a8c0@RazvojErvin>

My little problem is: I wish to repeat the header row of the table on every printed page. Can somebody help me?
TIA,
    Ervin

From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Mon Aug 29 07:10:17 2005
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 22:10:17 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Excel Repeat the first row of the table on every
	page
In-Reply-To: <003301c5ac8f$55a896e0$0100a8c0@RazvojErvin>
Message-ID: <431387C9.16618.19B7299C@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

On 29 Aug 2005 at 13:46, Ervin Brindza wrote:

> My little problem is: I wish to repeat the header row of the table on
> every printed page. 

"File | Page Setup | Sheet | Rows to repeat at top"

-- 
Stuart




From viner at EUnet.yu  Mon Aug 29 07:19:38 2005
From: viner at EUnet.yu (Ervin Brindza)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 14:19:38 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Excel Repeat the first row of the table on everypage
References: <431387C9.16618.19B7299C@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <000b01c5ac93$f2366bf0$0100a8c0@RazvojErvin>

Oh, I forgot that ;-(
Stuart  many thanks for the info!
Ervin
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From: "Stuart McLachlan" <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
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Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 2:10 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Excel Repeat the first row of the table on
everypage


> On 29 Aug 2005 at 13:46, Ervin Brindza wrote:
>
> > My little problem is: I wish to repeat the header row of the table on
> > every printed page.
>
> "File | Page Setup | Sheet | Rows to repeat at top"
>
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> Stuart
>
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From actebs at actebs.com.au  Mon Aug 29 08:13:09 2005
From: actebs at actebs.com.au (ACTEBS)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 23:13:09 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Relink temporarily
Message-ID: <2025BB6F17FCB54791F23CD50558332810FC85@starfleet.unknown.local>

Thanks Gustav - you're a god!! 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Monday, 29 August 2005 6:16 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Relink temporarily

Hi Vlad

You can use IN in a select query for this:

  SELECT 
    *
  FROM 
    tblTable IN "" [;DATABASE=d:\folder\file.mdb;];

This will not even link the table, just open it.

If you need an actual linked table, use DoCmd.TransferDatabase with the
constant acLink and delete the table when finished.

/gustav

>>> actebs at actebs.com.au 29-08-2005 02:05 >>>
Hi everyone,
 
Does anyone have a procedure that they are willing to share that can
temporarily link a table and then once finished removes the link from
the DB? I am using A2K for a small app and just can't seem to find any
info on this...
 
Thanks in advance
Vlad

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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Aug 29 08:59:03 2005
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 15:59:03 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Relink temporarily
Message-ID: <s31330e5.084@cactus.dk>

Hi Vlad

Oh, thanks, if only I was. 
That would minimize my to-do list within a few seconds - and at the
same time add a lot of new hot topics with quite wide coverage!

Well, back to work ...

/gustav

>>> actebs at actebs.com.au 29-08-2005 15:13 >>>
Thanks Gustav - you're a god!! 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav
Brock
Sent: Monday, 29 August 2005 6:16 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Relink temporarily

Hi Vlad

You can use IN in a select query for this:

  SELECT 
    *
  FROM 
    tblTable IN "" [;DATABASE=d:\folder\file.mdb;];

This will not even link the table, just open it.

If you need an actual linked table, use DoCmd.TransferDatabase with
the
constant acLink and delete the table when finished.

/gustav

>>> actebs at actebs.com.au 29-08-2005 02:05 >>>
Hi everyone,
 
Does anyone have a procedure that they are willing to share that can
temporarily link a table and then once finished removes the link from
the DB? I am using A2K for a small app and just can't seem to find any
info on this...
 
Thanks in advance
Vlad



From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Mon Aug 29 09:46:26 2005
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (DWUTKA at marlow.com)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 09:46:26 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Field Sizes
Message-ID: <123701F54509D9119A4F00D0B747349016DE97@main2.marlow.com>

Flames?  Over field sizes?  Oh please, not worth the effort.  Besides,
everyone knows that 255 is the way to go. ;)

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 4:51 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Field Sizes


We may have discussed it before, but that doesn't mean we all agreed!  I
object to 255 because in prior versions of Access I ran into problems of
"query too complex" when all the query fields were 255 because they
inherited the table widths.  If you don't want to save 255 characters in
a field, there is absolutely no point in making the field that wide! So,
there!! <g>

(Let the flames begin .... )

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Stuart McLachlan [mailto:stuart at lexacorp.com.pg] 
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 2:18 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Field Sizes


On 25 Aug 2005 at 11:27, John Clark wrote:

> I've got bigger problems right now, but I've meant to ask something 
> forever and...well...today is the day, I guess. What do y'all use for 
> standard sizes for typical text fields, such as Last Name, First Name,

> Address, City, etc.? Is there a "common practice rule" concerning 
> this?
> 

We've had this discussion before <g>

255 characters.

Access doesn't use fixed length storage for strings and you don't save
any 
space by defining text fields as less than the maximum allowable.  I
change 
the default field size for text strings to 255 in Options and never
change 
it for individual filed definitions.

All that restricting field sizes does for you is increase the risk of 
truncating data or throwing up error messages at the user sometime in
the 
future.



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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Mon Aug 29 10:23:56 2005
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (DWUTKA at marlow.com)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 10:23:56 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Select Count(*) from different tables
Message-ID: <123701F54509D9119A4F00D0B747349016DE98@main2.marlow.com>

You need subquerries for the second (third, fourth, etc) 'counts'

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Arthur Fuller [mailto:artful at rogers.com]
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2005 7:38 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Select Count(*) from different tables


I have two MDBs identical in structure (or nearly so) and I want to compare
the counts of each pair of tables and put the results all in a single query.
I know that I have done this before, but I can't quite remember the syntax I
used. It is something along the lines of:
SELECT 
Count(*) AS AssessID_Notes_Count
FROM [AssessID_Notes_DS Without Matching AssessID_Notes],
(SELECT Count(*) AS Bill_Time_Machine_Count
FROM [Bill_Time_Machine_DS Without Matching Bill_Time_Machine])

But the above returns only one column, not two as I would expect. Since I
want to compare about two dozen tables (queries, actually), I stopped at two
until I could get it right. Removing the parentheses from the second
"column" results in an error.
Can anyone suggest the correct syntax for this type of query? (This case is
Access MDB not ADP, but it might be useful to have both answers handy.)
TIA,
Arthur

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From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com  Mon Aug 29 11:04:28 2005
From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 11:04:28 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Label on a chart problem
Message-ID: <F1DD538AE6BCE74EBE562DE51564D322FACAD9@houexch1.kindermorgan.com>

I have a chart that is based on a table that has 21 rows. The chart
plots fine. However if I base the report on the same table and put a
label on the chart using one of the fields in the table the chart prints
21 times. The field I am using is called pattern name and is the same in
all 21 records. Is there a way to put this field on the chart as a label
but only one time?

 

Chester Kaup

Engineering Technician

Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP

Office (432) 688-3797

FAX (432) 688-3799

 

 

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number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced.

 



From john at winhaven.net  Mon Aug 29 11:20:29 2005
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 11:20:29 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Field Sizes
In-Reply-To: <430EC229.20195.713431B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <200508291620.j7TGKVR15741@databaseadvisors.com>

Q: Does it matter when upsizing to SQL Server?  

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan

255 characters.

Access doesn't use fixed length storage for strings and you don't save any
space by defining text fields as less than the maximum allowable.  I change
the default field size for text strings to 255 in Options and never change
it for individual filed definitions.

All that restricting field sizes does for you is increase the risk of
truncating data or throwing up error messages at the user sometime in the
future.



From dmcafee at pacbell.net  Mon Aug 29 11:37:42 2005
From: dmcafee at pacbell.net (dmcafee at pacbell.net)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 09:37:42 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Field Sizes
In-Reply-To: <200508291620.j7TGKVR15741@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <KDEHKEMIOHGKCDHLPPLKGEGBFIAA.dmcafee@pacbell.net>

In SQL you can make everything a VARCHAR(8000) 

:P



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Bartow
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 9:20 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Field Sizes


Q: Does it matter when upsizing to SQL Server?  

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan

255 characters.

Access doesn't use fixed length storage for strings and you don't save any
space by defining text fields as less than the maximum allowable.  I change
the default field size for text strings to 255 in Options and never change
it for individual filed definitions.

All that restricting field sizes does for you is increase the risk of
truncating data or throwing up error messages at the user sometime in the
future.

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From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com  Mon Aug 29 11:37:41 2005
From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 11:37:41 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] RE: Label on a chart problem
Message-ID: <F1DD538AE6BCE74EBE562DE51564D322FACAF7@houexch1.kindermorgan.com>

Problem solved by making a query to extract one record and then doing a
sub report for that one record and placing it in the main report. Works
but maybe there is a better way?

 

  _____  

From: Kaup, Chester 
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 11:04 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Label on a chart problem

 

I have a chart that is based on a table that has 21 rows. The chart
plots fine. However if I base the report on the same table and put a
label on the chart using one of the fields in the table the chart prints
21 times. The field I am using is called pattern name and is the same in
all 21 records. Is there a way to put this field on the chart as a label
but only one time?

 

Chester Kaup

Engineering Technician

Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP

Office (432) 688-3797

FAX (432) 688-3799

 

 

No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However a large
number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced.

 



From john at winhaven.net  Mon Aug 29 12:01:16 2005
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 12:01:16 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Field Sizes
In-Reply-To: <KDEHKEMIOHGKCDHLPPLKGEGBFIAA.dmcafee@pacbell.net>
Message-ID: <200508291701.j7TH1HR26777@databaseadvisors.com>

On that note, is it good advice to make all text fields VarCHar in SQL
Server?

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
dmcafee at pacbell.net

In SQL you can make everything a VARCHAR(8000) 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Bartow

Q: Does it matter when upsizing to SQL Server?  

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan

255 characters.

Access doesn't use fixed length storage for strings and you don't save any
space by defining text fields as less than the maximum allowable.  I change
the default field size for text strings to 255 in Options and never change
it for individual filed definitions.

All that restricting field sizes does for you is increase the risk of
truncating data or throwing up error messages at the user sometime in the
future.



From dmcafee at pacbell.net  Mon Aug 29 12:38:57 2005
From: dmcafee at pacbell.net (dmcafee at pacbell.net)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 10:38:57 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Field Sizes
In-Reply-To: <200508291701.j7TH1HR26777@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <KDEHKEMIOHGKCDHLPPLKEEGDFIAA.dmcafee@pacbell.net>

I "was" kidding when I said to make them all varcahr(8000). I tend to use
50.

I prefer Varchars to chars, unless when dealing with a specific charcter
length datatypes.

Char's tend to pad the vales with spaces. So if you have a field titled
fname,

a varchar(50) would store the name Joe as "Joe"
a char(50) would store the name Joe as "Joe
"

I tend to sometimes forget to RTRIM() my chars when selecting :(

D
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Bartow
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 10:01 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Field Sizes


On that note, is it good advice to make all text fields VarCHar in SQL
Server?

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
dmcafee at pacbell.net

In SQL you can make everything a VARCHAR(8000)

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Bartow

Q: Does it matter when upsizing to SQL Server?

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan

255 characters.

Access doesn't use fixed length storage for strings and you don't save any
space by defining text fields as less than the maximum allowable.  I change
the default field size for text strings to 255 in Options and never change
it for individual filed definitions.

All that restricting field sizes does for you is increase the risk of
truncating data or throwing up error messages at the user sometime in the
future.

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From john at winhaven.net  Mon Aug 29 12:58:35 2005
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 12:58:35 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Field Sizes
In-Reply-To: <KDEHKEMIOHGKCDHLPPLKEEGDFIAA.dmcafee@pacbell.net>
Message-ID: <200508291758.j7THwaR10622@databaseadvisors.com>

Oh, OK, I'm a bit weary this morning, have a blistering headache and even
after 4 advil and a pot of coffee didn't catch the kidding part, sorry, now
that I look back it was obvious!. Good point about the padding with spaces
though, so I guess it was worth it ;o)

I originally wanted to discuss if upsizing from an access db to a SQL Server
db was any more of a hassle based on needed field lengths or standard 255
field lengths.

We know Access doesn't use fixed length storage for strings and you don't
save any space by defining text fields as less than the maximum allowable.

But IIRC SQL Server does so when upsizing you now have all 255 field lengths
(which isn't terrible but not optimal) or do you go in and resize all the
fields lengths?

NOTE: I'm not taking sides here. I generally size fields similar to what Jim
mentioned but I also have taken the easier route and done as Stuart
mentioned - resetting the default field length size  and (knowing how Access
deals with text fields) not really caring if it was set smaller. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
dmcafee at pacbell.net
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 12:39 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Field Sizes

I "was" kidding when I said to make them all varcahr(8000). I tend to use
50.

I prefer Varchars to chars, unless when dealing with a specific charcter
length datatypes.

Char's tend to pad the vales with spaces. So if you have a field titled
fname,

a varchar(50) would store the name Joe as "Joe"
a char(50) would store the name Joe as "Joe "

I tend to sometimes forget to RTRIM() my chars when selecting :(

D
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Bartow
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 10:01 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Field Sizes


On that note, is it good advice to make all text fields VarCHar in SQL
Server?

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
dmcafee at pacbell.net

In SQL you can make everything a VARCHAR(8000)

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Bartow

Q: Does it matter when upsizing to SQL Server?

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan

255 characters.

Access doesn't use fixed length storage for strings and you don't save any
space by defining text fields as less than the maximum allowable.  I change
the default field size for text strings to 255 in Options and never change
it for individual filed definitions.

All that restricting field sizes does for you is increase the risk of
truncating data or throwing up error messages at the user sometime in the
future.

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From dmcafee at pacbell.net  Mon Aug 29 13:47:39 2005
From: dmcafee at pacbell.net (dmcafee at pacbell.net)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 11:47:39 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Field Sizes
In-Reply-To: <200508291758.j7THwaR10622@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <KDEHKEMIOHGKCDHLPPLKOEGEFIAA.dmcafee@pacbell.net>

I believe when upsizing, text fields are converted to Char().

The only weird conversion is when dealing with Memo Fields, they become
"text" in SQL :)
so don't get the two "text" types confused between SQL & Access.

I prefer SQL Servers import wizard over Access' Upsize wizard. you can save
the import script and modify the fields if one is converted incorrectly.

D


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Bartow
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 10:59 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Field Sizes


Oh, OK, I'm a bit weary this morning, have a blistering headache and even
after 4 advil and a pot of coffee didn't catch the kidding part, sorry, now
that I look back it was obvious!. Good point about the padding with spaces
though, so I guess it was worth it ;o)

I originally wanted to discuss if upsizing from an access db to a SQL Server
db was any more of a hassle based on needed field lengths or standard 255
field lengths.

We know Access doesn't use fixed length storage for strings and you don't
save any space by defining text fields as less than the maximum allowable.

But IIRC SQL Server does so when upsizing you now have all 255 field lengths
(which isn't terrible but not optimal) or do you go in and resize all the
fields lengths?

NOTE: I'm not taking sides here. I generally size fields similar to what Jim
mentioned but I also have taken the easier route and done as Stuart
mentioned - resetting the default field length size  and (knowing how Access
deals with text fields) not really caring if it was set smaller.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
dmcafee at pacbell.net
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 12:39 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Field Sizes

I "was" kidding when I said to make them all varcahr(8000). I tend to use
50.

I prefer Varchars to chars, unless when dealing with a specific charcter
length datatypes.

Char's tend to pad the vales with spaces. So if you have a field titled
fname,

a varchar(50) would store the name Joe as "Joe"
a char(50) would store the name Joe as "Joe "

I tend to sometimes forget to RTRIM() my chars when selecting :(

D
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Bartow
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 10:01 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Field Sizes


On that note, is it good advice to make all text fields VarCHar in SQL
Server?

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
dmcafee at pacbell.net

In SQL you can make everything a VARCHAR(8000)

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Bartow

Q: Does it matter when upsizing to SQL Server?

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan

255 characters.

Access doesn't use fixed length storage for strings and you don't save any
space by defining text fields as less than the maximum allowable.  I change
the default field size for text strings to 255 in Options and never change
it for individual filed definitions.

All that restricting field sizes does for you is increase the risk of
truncating data or throwing up error messages at the user sometime in the
future.

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From john at winhaven.net  Mon Aug 29 13:57:35 2005
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 13:57:35 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Field Sizes
In-Reply-To: <KDEHKEMIOHGKCDHLPPLKOEGEFIAA.dmcafee@pacbell.net>
Message-ID: <200508291857.j7TIvZR26957@databaseadvisors.com>

Does an Access Memo field get converted to VarChar (by default)?

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
dmcafee at pacbell.net

I believe when upsizing, text fields are converted to Char().

The only weird conversion is when dealing with Memo Fields, they become
"text" in SQL :) so don't get the two "text" types confused between SQL &
Access.

I prefer SQL Servers import wizard over Access' Upsize wizard. you can save
the import script and modify the fields if one is converted incorrectly.

D



From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Mon Aug 29 14:21:40 2005
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 20:21:40 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Ot John Colby
Message-ID: <200508291922.j7TJMpR00581@databaseadvisors.com>


JC

Can  you contact me of List.


Apologise I dont have johns email here

Martin



From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Aug 29 14:24:05 2005
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 12:24:05 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Field Sizes
In-Reply-To: <200508291758.j7THwaR10622@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <0IM0008560K01R@l-daemon>

My Thought on the whole thing is that if MS MDB has variable length fields
it doesn't matter what size is requested and set, the data storage shrinks
the minimum anyway. Now if we are referring to MS SQL server DB then
fixed-fields sizes are set. 

Historically, all database programs that use variable length data storage
were slower and more prone to corruption but if space is at a premium then
that was required. But with sufficient space fixed size fields were faster
and unless there was a hard drive failure always recoverable.

My two cent worth.
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 10:59 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Field Sizes

Oh, OK, I'm a bit weary this morning, have a blistering headache and even
after 4 advil and a pot of coffee didn't catch the kidding part, sorry, now
that I look back it was obvious!. Good point about the padding with spaces
though, so I guess it was worth it ;o)

I originally wanted to discuss if upsizing from an access db to a SQL Server
db was any more of a hassle based on needed field lengths or standard 255
field lengths.

We know Access doesn't use fixed length storage for strings and you don't
save any space by defining text fields as less than the maximum allowable.

But IIRC SQL Server does so when upsizing you now have all 255 field lengths
(which isn't terrible but not optimal) or do you go in and resize all the
fields lengths?

NOTE: I'm not taking sides here. I generally size fields similar to what Jim
mentioned but I also have taken the easier route and done as Stuart
mentioned - resetting the default field length size  and (knowing how Access
deals with text fields) not really caring if it was set smaller. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
dmcafee at pacbell.net
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 12:39 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Field Sizes

I "was" kidding when I said to make them all varcahr(8000). I tend to use
50.

I prefer Varchars to chars, unless when dealing with a specific charcter
length datatypes.

Char's tend to pad the vales with spaces. So if you have a field titled
fname,

a varchar(50) would store the name Joe as "Joe"
a char(50) would store the name Joe as "Joe "

I tend to sometimes forget to RTRIM() my chars when selecting :(

D
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Bartow
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 10:01 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Field Sizes


On that note, is it good advice to make all text fields VarCHar in SQL
Server?

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
dmcafee at pacbell.net

In SQL you can make everything a VARCHAR(8000)

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Bartow

Q: Does it matter when upsizing to SQL Server?

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan

255 characters.

Access doesn't use fixed length storage for strings and you don't save any
space by defining text fields as less than the maximum allowable.  I change
the default field size for text strings to 255 in Options and never change
it for individual filed definitions.

All that restricting field sizes does for you is increase the risk of
truncating data or throwing up error messages at the user sometime in the
future.

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From artful at rogers.com  Mon Aug 29 15:09:46 2005
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 16:09:46 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Field Sizes
In-Reply-To: <200508291701.j7TH1HR26777@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <200508292009.j7TK9mR12454@databaseadvisors.com>

No it is NOT best practice. There are performance hits with varchar columns
that do not exist with char columns. I will shortly post a benchmark that
proves this, but in the meantime use these rules:
1. If the existing rows and anticipated rows never go beyond N characters,
make the column N + some.
2. If you cannot predict how much text will be entered, use a text column
rather than varchar.
3. If you plan on indexing this column (i.e. other than a full-text index),
use char.
Arthur
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
Sent: August 29, 2005 1:01 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Field Sizes

On that note, is it good advice to make all text fields VarCHar in SQL
Server?



From stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz  Mon Aug 29 16:02:00 2005
From: stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz (Stephen Bond)
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 09:02:00 +1200
Subject: [AccessD] Data from temp table being rammed into an Excel
	spreadsheet
Message-ID: <70F3D727890C784291D8433E9C418F2916BC78@server.bondsoftware.co.nz>

In A2K I have built a temp table and am trying to then export it to a spreadsheet using the following line of code:
 
  objXLRange.FormulaArray = objXLApp.Transpose(varResults)

where 'Dim objXLApp As Excel.Application ' 
and 'Dim objXLRange As Excel.Range' and has been defined precisely, according to the size of the incoming data in the temp table,
and varResults is a 2-dimension array being the result of SELECT * FROM tmpTable.  The column count is fixed at 18 but the Row count is variable.
 
This works well when the temp table has 303 rows or less.  Over 303 rows, and I get 'Error 13 Type Mismatch'.  I have looked for corrupted data coming in thru the query that creates the temp table, but after many hours of experimentation it comes back to an apparent limit on the number of Rows.
 
I don't remember where I got the code from and I don't pretend to understand the 'FormulaArray' property in Excel, but someone here might have been down this track .... any takers?
 
 
Stephen Bond 

From jim.moss at jlmoss.net  Mon Aug 29 17:05:59 2005
From: jim.moss at jlmoss.net (Jim Moss)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 17:05:59 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Data from temp table being rammed into an Excel 
	spreadsheet
In-Reply-To: <70F3D727890C784291D8433E9C418F2916BC78@server.bondsoftware.co.nz>
References: <70F3D727890C784291D8433E9C418F2916BC78@server.bondsoftware.co.nz>
Message-ID: <9032.65.196.182.34.1125353159.squirrel@65.196.182.34>

Stephen,

The following code does a copy from recordset:

intMaxCol = rs1.Fields.Count
            If rs1.RecordCount > 0 Then
                rs1.MoveLast
                rs1.MoveFirst
                intMaxRow = rs1.RecordCount
                Set objXL = New Excel.Application
                With objXL
                    .Visible = False
                    Set objWkb = .Workbooks.Add
                    Set objSht = objWkb.Worksheets(1)
                        With objSht
                            .Range(.Cells(2, 1), .Cells(intMaxRow, _
                            intMaxCol)).CopyFromRecordset rs1
                        End With
                End With
            End If

Jim


> In A2K I have built a temp table and am trying to then export it to a
> spreadsheet using the following line of code:
>
>   objXLRange.FormulaArray = objXLApp.Transpose(varResults)
>
> where 'Dim objXLApp As Excel.Application '
> and 'Dim objXLRange As Excel.Range' and has been defined precisely,
> according to the size of the incoming data in the temp table,
> and varResults is a 2-dimension array being the result of SELECT * FROM
> tmpTable.  The column count is fixed at 18 but the Row count is variable.
>
> This works well when the temp table has 303 rows or less.  Over 303 rows,
> and I get 'Error 13 Type Mismatch'.  I have looked for corrupted data
> coming in thru the query that creates the temp table, but after many hours
> of experimentation it comes back to an apparent limit on the number of
> Rows.
>
> I don't remember where I got the code from and I don't pretend to
> understand the 'FormulaArray' property in Excel, but someone here might
> have been down this track .... any takers?
>
>
> Stephen Bond
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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Mon Aug 29 18:51:23 2005
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 16:51:23 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Data from temp table being rammed into an Excel
	spreadsheet
References: <70F3D727890C784291D8433E9C418F2916BC78@server.bondsoftware.co.nz>
Message-ID: <43139F7B.6030703@shaw.ca>

There are limits on Excel 65K rows 32K per cell varies with version of 
Excel
There is also something about memo fields being truncated at 255 chars 
but there is a workaround.
If the worksheet aleady exists needs terminating "$" in name


Here are a couple of samples methods using ADO.

'? CopyTableToExcel("Products", "C:\Excel\Product2.xls", "C:\Program 
Files\Microsoft Office\Office\Samples\Northwind.mdb")
Public Function CopyTableToExcel(strTable As String, strXLSFile As 
String, strAccessFile As String)
Dim cnSrc As New ADODB.Connection
Dim num_copied As Long

    DoEvents
    strAccessFile = CurrentDb.Name
    cnSrc.Open "Provider=Microsoft.Jet.OLEDB.4.0;" & _
        "Data Source=" & strAccessFile & ";"
        'pick a sheetname "Books"
    cnSrc.Execute "SELECT * INTO [Excel 8.0;" & _
        "Database=" & strXLSFile & "].[Books] FROM " & _
            strTable, num_copied
    cnSrc.Close

    MsgBox "Copied " & num_copied & " records."
End Function
' Open the database and build the Recordset containing the data
'you want to transfer. Then open the Excel workbook,
'find the worksheet that should contain the data,
'create a Range on the worksheet,
'and use its CopyFromRecordset method to load the data.
'This example also calls AutoFit to make the column widths fit the data.


Function CopyTableToExcelCreate(strTable As String, strXLSFilename As 
String)
Dim conn As ADODB.Connection
Dim rs As ADODB.Recordset
Dim excel_app As Excel.Application
Dim excel_sheet As Excel.Worksheet

    DoEvents

    ' Open the Access database.
    Set conn = New ADODB.Connection
    conn.ConnectionString = _
        "Provider=Microsoft.Jet.OLEDB.4.0;" & _
        "Data Source=" & strXLSFilename
    conn.Open

    ' Select the Access data.
    Set rs = conn.Execute(strTable)

    ' Create the Excel application.
    Set excel_app = CreateObject("Excel.Application")

    ' Uncomment this line to make Excel visible.
'    excel_app.Visible = True

    ' Open the Excel workbook.
    excel_app.Workbooks.Open strXLSFilename

    ' Check for later versions.
    If Val(excel_app.Application.Version) >= 8 Then
        Set excel_sheet = excel_app.ActiveSheet
    Else
        Set excel_sheet = excel_app
    End If

    ' Use the Recordset to fill the table.
    excel_sheet.Cells.CopyFromRecordset rs
    excel_sheet.Cells.Columns.AutoFit

    ' Save the workbook.
    excel_app.ActiveWorkbook.Save

    ' Shut down.
    excel_app.Quit
    rs.Close
    conn.Close

    MsgBox "Ok"
End Function

Stephen Bond wrote:

>In A2K I have built a temp table and am trying to then export it to a spreadsheet using the following line of code:
> 
>  objXLRange.FormulaArray = objXLApp.Transpose(varResults)
>
>where 'Dim objXLApp As Excel.Application ' 
>and 'Dim objXLRange As Excel.Range' and has been defined precisely, according to the size of the incoming data in the temp table,
>and varResults is a 2-dimension array being the result of SELECT * FROM tmpTable.  The column count is fixed at 18 but the Row count is variable.
> 
>This works well when the temp table has 303 rows or less.  Over 303 rows, and I get 'Error 13 Type Mismatch'.  I have looked for corrupted data coming in thru the query that creates the temp table, but after many hours of experimentation it comes back to an apparent limit on the number of Rows.
> 
>I don't remember where I got the code from and I don't pretend to understand the 'FormulaArray' property in Excel, but someone here might have been down this track .... any takers?
> 
> 
>Stephen Bond 
>
>  
>
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Canada





From Gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Aug 30 02:47:53 2005
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 09:47:53 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Stupid antispam
Message-ID: <s3142b64.092@cactus.dk>

Hi all

Well, to this guy our list certainly will look quit!

<snip>

Re: [AccessD] Relink temporarily (Zaep Key:
7bae2957.4313bfb6.04bc08b3)

Dear Gustav,

Thanks for your email, but at this point I have NOT actually received
your message because I have implemented a challenge-response based
anti-spam solution.  Before I can receive your message you must
respond in ONE of the ways outlined below.

You will not have to do this again.

</snip>

To comment this for you with an in-house mailserver, we have
successfully installed a spamfilter using the SpamAssassin daemon as a
proxy. It automatically tests received mail towards the blacklists and
filters virus infected mails, and these two features alone has cut our
received spam by about 95%:

  http://www.pinjo.nl/

Cost is EUR 150,00 which are well spent as it is a snap to install.

/gustav


From tom.bolton at donnslaw.co.uk  Tue Aug 30 03:57:35 2005
From: tom.bolton at donnslaw.co.uk (Tom Bolton)
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 09:57:35 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] RE:  A2k2 / SQL Server dropped indexes
Message-ID: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C831880802A335@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>

Morning all

 

We've had a problem in the past here with linking tables into an Access .mdb
from a SQL Server database - when the tables are linked, Access decides on
its own primary key and creates an index.  So far, so good, but then
seemingly at random Access is dropping the index which results in the table
becoming read-only.  The problem can be fixed manually, but there's no
pattern to the behaviour.

 

I cured this before using a bit of ADOX to drop and relink the tables (an
extra button, but in this case the user was pretty Access-conversant), but
now in a separate .mdb looking at a different SQL backend, it's happening
again - to a mission-critical application.

 

Anyone any clues?  I've Googled from top to bottom for this one, and not a
sausage to be found.

 

Many TIA as always

Tom

 

 

 

 

Tom Bolton

Systems Developer (I.T.)

Donns Solicitors

Tel: 0161 834 3311

Fax: 0161 834 2317

 

 

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From tom.bolton at donnslaw.co.uk  Tue Aug 30 04:04:11 2005
From: tom.bolton at donnslaw.co.uk (Tom Bolton)
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 10:04:11 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] RE:  A2k2 / SQL Server dropped indexes
Message-ID: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C831880802A336@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>

Hi All

 

In a correction to the previous email, I've just discovered that it is
indeed the same SQL database we've had problems with.  The tables in the SQL
database aren't indexed either - could this have a bearing? 

 

Again, TIA for your help!

Tom

 

 

 

 

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From carbonnb at gmail.com  Tue Aug 30 04:41:26 2005
From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 05:41:26 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Stupid antispam
In-Reply-To: <s3142b64.092@cactus.dk>
References: <s3142b64.092@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <e04a6c92050830024112de52f3@mail.gmail.com>

On 30/08/05, Gustav Brock <Gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
> Hi all
> 
> Well, to this guy our list certainly will look quit!
> 
> <snip>
> 
> Re: [AccessD] Relink temporarily (Zaep Key:
> 7bae2957.4313bfb6.04bc08b3)

Yep. So will dba-tech. 

-- 
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preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
shouting "What a great ride!"


From R.Griffiths at bury.gov.uk  Tue Aug 30 10:44:26 2005
From: R.Griffiths at bury.gov.uk (Griffiths, Richard)
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 16:44:26 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] A2k to sql
Message-ID: <200508301535.j7UFZM927033@smarthost.yourcomms.net>

Hi

I have an application written using A2k and have now moved to SQL 2000.
Can anyone give me advice in how to distribute an app that uses SQL as
the BE.

Is it as simple as generating a SQL script from my SQL db and then
running this script on the client server via query analyzer? Or do I
copy the mdf files? Or is there some third pary stuff that installs?

Any help would be appreciated

Richard


From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Tue Aug 30 13:33:43 2005
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 11:33:43 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] RE:  A2k2 / SQL Server dropped indexes
References: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C831880802A335@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>
Message-ID: <4314A687.7060003@shaw.ca>

Some maybes.

When you link a table from an ODBC data source, such as Microsoft SQL 
Server or ORACLE, and that table contains more than one unique index, 
Microsoft Access may select the wrong index as the primary key. Has 
someone been adding indexes to the sql tables

ACC2000: Access May Choose an Unexpected Index as the Primary Key

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=KB;EN-US;207745

ACC2000: Creating Virtual Indexes with SQL Data-Definition Queries
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/q209123

Tom Bolton wrote:

>Morning all
>
> 
>
>We've had a problem in the past here with linking tables into an Access .mdb
>from a SQL Server database - when the tables are linked, Access decides on
>its own primary key and creates an index.  So far, so good, but then
>seemingly at random Access is dropping the index which results in the table
>becoming read-only.  The problem can be fixed manually, but there's no
>pattern to the behaviour.
>
> 
>
>I cured this before using a bit of ADOX to drop and relink the tables (an
>extra button, but in this case the user was pretty Access-conversant), but
>now in a separate .mdb looking at a different SQL backend, it's happening
>again - to a mission-critical application.
>
> 
>
>Anyone any clues?  I've Googled from top to bottom for this one, and not a
>sausage to be found.
>
> 
>
>Many TIA as always
>
>Tom
>
> 
>
> 
>
> 
>
> 
>
>Tom Bolton
>
>Systems Developer (I.T.)
>
>Donns Solicitors
>
>Tel: 0161 834 3311
>
>Fax: 0161 834 2317
>
> 
>
> 
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Tue Aug 30 18:35:24 2005
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (DWUTKA at marlow.com)
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 18:35:24 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Oracle Question
Message-ID: <123701F54509D9119A4F00D0B747349016DED3@main2.marlow.com>

I normally treat Oracle like a bag of rattle snakes (don't mess around
inside it much, and typically just beat it with a big long stick when it's
acting up......) ;)  However, we are having to create some auditing
processes due to Sar-Ox.  I put a trigger in place to log changes to a few
key changes, however, using the USER function, to record who is making the
changes, the trigger is putting in the account that I created the trigger
with, not the account who is making the changes.  Any ideas?

Thanks,

Drew


From stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz  Tue Aug 30 19:38:43 2005
From: stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz (Stephen Bond)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 12:38:43 +1200
Subject: [AccessD] Data from temp table being rammed into an Excel
	spreadsheet
Message-ID: <70F3D727890C784291D8433E9C418F29149917@server.bondsoftware.co.nz>

Thanks Jim and Marty,
 
As a quick fix I had coded a bypass to the problem  (the customer is across the ditch in Australia and needed some sort of resolution immediately, even a temporary one), BUT left the original code in there as well, but with an elegant message if the error occurred.
 
Now they report the original problem has gone away.  Completely.  Go figger ....
 
At the risk of plagiarising a line from Woody's Watch ... 'trustworthy computing!'  Bah humbug.
 
Anyway, your submissions have been filed for future reference.  Thanks again.
 
Stephen Bond
 
 

-----Original Message-----
From: Stephen Bond 
Sent: Tuesday, 30 August 2005 9:02 a.m.
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Data from temp table being rammed into an Excel spreadsheet



In A2K I have built a temp table and am trying to then export it to a spreadsheet using the following line of code: 
  
  objXLRange.FormulaArray = objXLApp.Transpose(varResults) 

where 'Dim objXLApp As Excel.Application ' 
and 'Dim objXLRange As Excel.Range' and has been defined precisely, according to the size of the incoming data in the temp table,

and varResults is a 2-dimension array being the result of SELECT * FROM tmpTable.  The column count is fixed at 18 but the Row count is variable.


This works well when the temp table has 303 rows or less.  Over 303 rows, and I get 'Error 13 Type Mismatch'.  I have looked for corrupted data coming in thru the query that creates the temp table, but after many hours of experimentation it comes back to an apparent limit on the number of Rows.


I don't remember where I got the code from and I don't pretend to understand the 'FormulaArray' property in Excel, but someone here might have been down this track .... any takers?


  
Stephen Bond 



From marklbreen at gmail.com  Wed Aug 31 03:53:12 2005
From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 09:53:12 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Re: How to Manage Maintenance Mode - Auto shutdown
In-Reply-To: <c7fd28d0050817093728e6fca1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c7fd28d0050817093728e6fca1@mail.gmail.com>
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Hello All,
 Thanks for your replies on this thread, you gave me what I was looking for 
- some opinions.
 I have not worked on it yet, but I did notice that yesterday, the app had 
not been used since midnight and I was looking at it at 10:00 am, so an 
element of Johns auto logout will probably be required, in conjunction with 
an activity monitor, as this app is used for production support, it is not 
possible to request a logout.
 The timer and auto logout are OK, but what I have to contend with is the 
user attempting to log back in, this will have to be handled elegantly, or 
as an Indian guy I worked with recently says "I will have to fine a graceful 
solution to this"
 I thought the graceful was slight out of context for day to day language, 
but I thought it wonderfully apt.
 Thanks again for all your time, I always appreciate it.
 Mark

 On 8/17/05, Mark Breen <marklbreen at gmail.com> wrote: 
> 
> Hello Group,
> 
> I have an app uses MS SQL 2000 Server as it's backend database. I
> want to run some maintenance routines on the db and they require that
> I switch the db into single user mode. This is easily done and once I
> have it in Single User Mode, it is easy to kick off the maintenance
> routines.
> 
> My question is what ways you may have handled a polite automatic
> shutdown of the application in your worlds.
> 
> Technically, I do not have to shut down my app, I could just break the
> connection to SQL server, but I think that I may as well shut down the
> entire app.
> 
> I could use timers, and I could insert 'activity' updates and only
> shut down the FE app when the app is not being used.
> 
> So for example, I could update a database field and when the field has
> not been used for more than 30 minutes I can assume that it is
> in-active. This would allow me to auto shut down the app, but I would
> like to leave some message behind me to let the user know where their
> app went rather than just killing it!
> 
> I could also break the connection to the db, then display a message
> box saying the db has been shutdown and allow the user to click OK to
> continue.
> 
> I am not seeking detailed technical help here, more philosophically
> how you guys handle this type of situation.
> 
> Any thoughts or comments are appreciated,
> 
> I hope you and your family are all well,
> 
> Mark Breen
>


From listmaster at databaseadvisors.com  Wed Aug 31 08:21:41 2005
From: listmaster at databaseadvisors.com (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 09:21:41 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Administrivia - List Software Upgrade - Sep 4
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The software that runs our list has released a new version to fix 
some security issues, add some new features to help out the admins 
and mods and some bug fixes.

So I will be upgrading the software on Sunday Sep 4. This will mean 
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Set 4. If the previous upgrades are any indication, they will be down 
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From tom.bolton at donnslaw.co.uk  Wed Aug 31 09:38:37 2005
From: tom.bolton at donnslaw.co.uk (Tom Bolton)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 15:38:37 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] RE:  A2k2 / SQL Server dropped indexes
Message-ID: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C831880802A347@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>

Thanks Marty, from this I have a sneaking suspicion that it's something to
do with the indexing on the underlying tables.

My colleague who's dealing with the app in question is going to add some
proper indexing to the SQL table and I'll pass on this info for when he
does.

Again thanks for this!
Tom



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Sent: 30-Aug-2005 19:34
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] RE: A2k2 / SQL Server dropped indexes

Some maybes.

When you link a table from an ODBC data source, such as Microsoft SQL 
Server or ORACLE, and that table contains more than one unique index, 
Microsoft Access may select the wrong index as the primary key. Has 
someone been adding indexes to the sql tables

ACC2000: Access May Choose an Unexpected Index as the Primary Key

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=KB;EN-US;207745

ACC2000: Creating Virtual Indexes with SQL Data-Definition Queries
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/q209123

Tom Bolton wrote:

>Morning all
>
> 
>
>We've had a problem in the past here with linking tables into an Access
.mdb
>from a SQL Server database - when the tables are linked, Access decides on
>its own primary key and creates an index.  So far, so good, but then
>seemingly at random Access is dropping the index which results in the table
>becoming read-only.  The problem can be fixed manually, but there's no
>pattern to the behaviour.
>
> 
>
>I cured this before using a bit of ADOX to drop and relink the tables (an
>extra button, but in this case the user was pretty Access-conversant), but
>now in a separate .mdb looking at a different SQL backend, it's happening
>again - to a mission-critical application.
>
> 
>
>Anyone any clues?  I've Googled from top to bottom for this one, and not a
>sausage to be found.
>
> 
>
>Many TIA as always
>
>Tom
>
> 
>
> 
>
> 
>
> 
>
>Tom Bolton
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From JRojas at tnco-inc.com  Wed Aug 31 10:01:54 2005
From: JRojas at tnco-inc.com (Joe Rojas)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 11:01:54 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Trap Mouse Scroll Wheel
Message-ID: <0CC84C9461AE6445AD5A602001C41C4B05A481@mercury.tnco-inc.com>

Hi All,

Is it possible to trap the mouse scroll wheel event in Access 2000? If so,
how is this done?

Normally the scroll wheel will scroll through the records on a form but I am
looking for a way to disable this from happening.

I know that I could disable the wheel in windows but I don't want this to be
a system wide change, just when the user scrolls in Access.

Thanks!
JR




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From cyx5 at cdc.gov  Wed Aug 31 10:16:30 2005
From: cyx5 at cdc.gov (Nicholson, Karen)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 11:16:30 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Trap Mouse Scroll Wheel
Message-ID: <A5B5AA20555F594BA7B6BD2048E49E4376FEF0@m-niosh-5.niosh.cdc.gov>

Yes.   There is a mousehook.dll that you can call to disable this.  Send
me your email offline and I will send it to you. 

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 11:02 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Trap Mouse Scroll Wheel

Hi All,

Is it possible to trap the mouse scroll wheel event in Access 2000? If
so, how is this done?

Normally the scroll wheel will scroll through the records on a form but
I am looking for a way to disable this from happening.

I know that I could disable the wheel in windows but I don't want this
to be a system wide change, just when the user scrolls in Access.

Thanks!
JR




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From cyx5 at cdc.gov  Wed Aug 31 10:17:37 2005
From: cyx5 at cdc.gov (Nicholson, Karen)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 11:17:37 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Renaming SQL Tables
Message-ID: <A5B5AA20555F594BA7B6BD2048E49E4376FEF1@m-niosh-5.niosh.cdc.gov>

I just linked to about 150 SQL tables; of course all are prefaced with
NIOSH\get3_
I want to strip off the prefix.  Does anybody have that code?  I know I
have seen it somewhere.


From Donald.A.McGillivray at sprint.com  Wed Aug 31 10:18:42 2005
From: Donald.A.McGillivray at sprint.com (Mcgillivray, Don [ITS])
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 10:18:42 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Trap Mouse Scroll Wheel
Message-ID: <EC829B33DF5B5B48A956B7A2E894AA9A01B319EF@PLSWB06C.ad.sprint.com>

Joe,

I'm sure there are other ways to do this, but I've used the
mousehook.dll that I downloaded from Lebans site:

http://www.lebans.com/mousewheelonoff.htm

Comes with the code and instructions for implementing.

Don



From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed Aug 31 10:21:24 2005
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 08:21:24 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Trap Mouse Scroll Wheel
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86873C0D@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Access 2002 has an OnMouseWheel event, but I don't recall if that exists
in 2000.

Charlotte Foust


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Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 8:02 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Trap Mouse Scroll Wheel


Hi All,

Is it possible to trap the mouse scroll wheel event in Access 2000? If
so, how is this done?

Normally the scroll wheel will scroll through the records on a form but
I am looking for a way to disable this from happening.

I know that I could disable the wheel in windows but I don't want this
to be a system wide change, just when the user scrolls in Access.

Thanks!
JR




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From paul.hartland at isharp.co.uk  Wed Aug 31 10:30:19 2005
From: paul.hartland at isharp.co.uk (Paul Hartland (ISHARP))
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 16:30:19 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Renaming SQL Tables
In-Reply-To: <A5B5AA20555F594BA7B6BD2048E49E4376FEF1@m-niosh-5.niosh.cdc.gov>
Message-ID: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAC4AAAAAAAAAclrM129q6km1GlSfRwF8CgEAFKerAD79REu7GTojEo2iDgAAAAddkgAAEAAAANNUmbvWPj5AnoWCP7K96z0BAAAAAA==@isharp.co.uk>

Karen,

This is a quick little function I use:

Function dbo_Remover() As Integer
    ' Use this module remove the linked table start name dbo_
    Dim db As Database
    Dim i As Integer
    Dim c As Long
    c = 0
    Set db = DBEngine.Workspaces(0).Databases(0)
    dbo_Remover = False
    db.TableDefs.Refresh
    For i = 0 To db.TableDefs.Count - 1
        If (Left(db.TableDefs(i).Name, 10) = "NIOSH\get3_") Then
            'MsgBox "found " & db.TableDefs(i).Name
            db.TableDefs(i).Name = Mid(db.TableDefs(i).Name, 11)
            c = c + 1
            'MsgBox "new name = " & db.TableDefs(i).Name
        End If
    Next i
    Set db = Nothing
    MsgBox "NIOSH\get3_ Removed From " & c & " Filenames....."
End Function

Paul Hartland
Database Developer
07730 523179

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Sent: 31 August 2005 16:18
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Renaming SQL Tables

I just linked to about 150 SQL tables; of course all are prefaced with
NIOSH\get3_ I want to strip off the prefix.  Does anybody have that code?  I
know I have seen it somewhere.
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From JRojas at tnco-inc.com  Wed Aug 31 10:34:14 2005
From: JRojas at tnco-inc.com (Joe Rojas)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 11:34:14 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Trap Mouse Scroll Wheel
Message-ID: <0CC84C9461AE6445AD5A602001C41C4B05A482@mercury.tnco-inc.com>

I ran into Microsoft's example in their knowledgebase.
Is this the same thing?

If not, please send me what you have. jrojas at tnco-inc.com

Thanks Karen!

-----Original Message-----
From: Nicholson, Karen [mailto:cyx5 at cdc.gov]
Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 11:17 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K: Trap Mouse Scroll Wheel

Yes.   There is a mousehook.dll that you can call to disable this.  Send
me your email offline and I will send it to you.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Joe Rojas
Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 11:02 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Trap Mouse Scroll Wheel

Hi All,

Is it possible to trap the mouse scroll wheel event in Access 2000? If
so, how is this done?

Normally the scroll wheel will scroll through the records on a form but
I am looking for a way to disable this from happening.

I know that I could disable the wheel in windows but I don't want this
to be a system wide change, just when the user scrolls in Access.

Thanks!
JR




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From paul.hartland at isharp.co.uk  Wed Aug 31 10:35:49 2005
From: paul.hartland at isharp.co.uk (Paul Hartland (ISHARP))
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 16:35:49 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Renaming SQL Tables
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Karen,

Sorry, mis-counted replace :

For i = 0 To db.TableDefs.Count - 1
        If (Left(db.TableDefs(i).Name, 10) = "NIOSH\get3_") Then
            'MsgBox "found " & db.TableDefs(i).Name
            db.TableDefs(i).Name = Mid(db.TableDefs(i).Name, 11)
            c = c + 1
            'MsgBox "new name = " & db.TableDefs(i).Name
        End If
Next i 

With

For i = 0 To db.TableDefs.Count - 1
        If (Left(db.TableDefs(i).Name, 11) = "NIOSH\get3_") Then
            'MsgBox "found " & db.TableDefs(i).Name
            db.TableDefs(i).Name = Mid(db.TableDefs(i).Name, 12)
            c = c + 1
            'MsgBox "new name = " & db.TableDefs(i).Name
        End If
Next i

Paul Hartland
Database Developer
07730 523179

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Paul Hartland
(ISHARP)
Sent: 31 August 2005 16:30
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Renaming SQL Tables

Karen,

This is a quick little function I use:

Function dbo_Remover() As Integer
    ' Use this module remove the linked table start name dbo_
    Dim db As Database
    Dim i As Integer
    Dim c As Long
    c = 0
    Set db = DBEngine.Workspaces(0).Databases(0)
    dbo_Remover = False
    db.TableDefs.Refresh
    For i = 0 To db.TableDefs.Count - 1
        If (Left(db.TableDefs(i).Name, 10) = "NIOSH\get3_") Then
            'MsgBox "found " & db.TableDefs(i).Name
            db.TableDefs(i).Name = Mid(db.TableDefs(i).Name, 11)
            c = c + 1
            'MsgBox "new name = " & db.TableDefs(i).Name
        End If
    Next i
    Set db = Nothing
    MsgBox "NIOSH\get3_ Removed From " & c & " Filenames....."
End Function

Paul Hartland
Database Developer
07730 523179

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Nicholson, Karen
Sent: 31 August 2005 16:18
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Renaming SQL Tables

I just linked to about 150 SQL tables; of course all are prefaced with
NIOSH\get3_ I want to strip off the prefix.  Does anybody have that code?  I
know I have seen it somewhere.
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From dw-murphy at cox.net  Wed Aug 31 11:28:52 2005
From: dw-murphy at cox.net (Doug Murphy)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 09:28:52 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Trap Mouse Scroll Wheel
In-Reply-To: <0CC84C9461AE6445AD5A602001C41C4B05A481@mercury.tnco-inc.com>
Message-ID: <001b01c5ae49$12f3f270$0200a8c0@murphyf3vdfepi>

In Access XP is use the following in a forms module to keep the mouse wheel
from moving through records.  The routine uses the On Mouse Wheel event and
On Current Event.

Delclare a String variable at the module level sCurRec

Then put the following in the appropriate events

Private Sub Form_Current()
    If sCurRec <> "" Then
    Me.Bookmark = sCurRec
    sCurRec = ""
    End If
End Sub

Private Sub Form_MouseWheel(ByVal Page As Boolean, ByVal Count As Long)
sCurRec = Me.Bookmark

End Sub

I don't know if the On Mouse Wheel event is in Access 2000


Doug
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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Joe Rojas
Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 8:02 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Trap Mouse Scroll Wheel


Hi All,

Is it possible to trap the mouse scroll wheel event in Access 2000? If so,
how is this done?

Normally the scroll wheel will scroll through the records on a form but I am
looking for a way to disable this from happening.

I know that I could disable the wheel in windows but I don't want this to be
a system wide change, just when the user scrolls in Access.

Thanks!
JR




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From cyx5 at cdc.gov  Wed Aug 31 11:36:59 2005
From: cyx5 at cdc.gov (Nicholson, Karen)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 12:36:59 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Trap Mouse Scroll Wheel
Message-ID: <A5B5AA20555F594BA7B6BD2048E49E4376FEF4@m-niosh-5.niosh.cdc.gov>

I must have the same mousehook.dll from Leban's site.  For me, it works
great.  You can call it for the whole app or for an individual form.
Then I had to do the trapping to prevent the up and down pages, too. 

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Joe Rojas
Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 11:34 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K: Trap Mouse Scroll Wheel

I ran into Microsoft's example in their knowledgebase.
Is this the same thing?

If not, please send me what you have. jrojas at tnco-inc.com

Thanks Karen!

-----Original Message-----
From: Nicholson, Karen [mailto:cyx5 at cdc.gov]
Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 11:17 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K: Trap Mouse Scroll Wheel

Yes.   There is a mousehook.dll that you can call to disable this.  Send
me your email offline and I will send it to you.

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Joe Rojas
Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 11:02 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Trap Mouse Scroll Wheel

Hi All,

Is it possible to trap the mouse scroll wheel event in Access 2000? If
so, how is this done?

Normally the scroll wheel will scroll through the records on a form but
I am looking for a way to disable this from happening.

I know that I could disable the wheel in windows but I don't want this
to be a system wide change, just when the user scrolls in Access.

Thanks!
JR




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From fhtapia at gmail.com  Wed Aug 31 16:08:43 2005
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 14:08:43 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Form Before Update
Message-ID: <b874372a05083114086e5afef6@mail.gmail.com>

I have a bound form in an Access 2000 data project.  I have a field
named txtADE, I set it to 3 and immediatly the before_update fires. 
however in the before_update code if I try to reference txtADE it
shows my previous value, not the new one... what gives?

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From Donald.A.McGillivray at sprint.com  Wed Aug 31 16:39:45 2005
From: Donald.A.McGillivray at sprint.com (Mcgillivray, Don [ITS])
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 16:39:45 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Form Before Update
Message-ID: <EC829B33DF5B5B48A956B7A2E894AA9A01B31F09@PLSWB06C.ad.sprint.com>

Francisco,

Is it possible that you're using the *control's* Before_Update, instead
of the *Form's*?  At the control level, Before_Update will fire "before"
the update - that is, before the control's value is updated to whatever
you have typed.  Thus, the control will still contain its original
value.  With the form's Before_Update, you will be able to retrieve the
values that you have entered into any controls on the form, but it
doesn't fire until you save or otherwise attempt to move off the record.
If you're trying to evaluate what's been entered in a control either as
it's being entered or after, try the On_Change event for the control.

HTH

Don




From dc8 at btinternet.com  Wed Aug 31 17:00:28 2005
From: dc8 at btinternet.com (Chris Swann)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 23:00:28 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Forcing a date calculation
In-Reply-To: <EC829B33DF5B5B48A956B7A2E894AA9A01B31F09@PLSWB06C.ad.sprint.com>
Message-ID: <200508312200.j7VM0TR26592@databaseadvisors.com>

All,

I have a form that users are supposed to enter a start date, always a Monday
and an end date, always the Sunday after.

However, they seem completely unable to enter these dates correctly so I am
trying to see if there is a way to force a date into the system using Date()
and then going back to the previous Sunday and then working out the Monday
prior to that.

So, 31 August 2005 would go back to Sunday 28th August 2005 and I would then
subtract days to get Monday 22 August 2005.

Could anybody give me a pointer on if this is possible as the data being
returned currently is normally incorrect and this is causing more than a few
headaches !!

Thanks in advance,

Chris Swann
 



From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Wed Aug 31 17:43:06 2005
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Thu, 01 Sep 2005 08:43:06 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Forcing a date calculation
In-Reply-To: <200508312200.j7VM0TR26592@databaseadvisors.com>
References: <EC829B33DF5B5B48A956B7A2E894AA9A01B31F09@PLSWB06C.ad.sprint.com>
Message-ID: <4316BF1A.8793.4642F90@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

On 31 Aug 2005 at 23:00, Chris Swann wrote:

> All,
> 
> I have a form that users are supposed to enter a start date, always a Monday
> and an end date, always the Sunday after.
> 
> However, they seem completely unable to enter these dates correctly so I am
> trying to see if there is a way to force a date into the system using Date()
> and then going back to the previous Sunday and then working out the Monday
> prior to that.
> 
> So, 31 August 2005 would go back to Sunday 28th August 2005 and I would then
> subtract days to get Monday 22 August 2005.
> 
> Could anybody give me a pointer on if this is possible as the data being
> returned currently is normally incorrect and this is causing more than a few
> headaches !!
> 

This will givew you the current date for any Sunday and the previous Sunday 
for any day other than Sunday:

Function PreviousSunday(CurrDate As Date) As Date
    PreviousSunday = CurrDate - Weekday(CurrDate) + 1
End Function

PrevisouSunday() - 6 will give you the preceding Monday.

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From dmcafee at pacbell.net  Wed Aug 31 17:48:29 2005
From: dmcafee at pacbell.net (David Mcafee)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 15:48:29 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Form Before Update
In-Reply-To: <b874372a05083114086e5afef6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20050831224829.9757.qmail@web80802.mail.yahoo.com>

txtADE.Text?



--- Francisco Tapia <fhtapia at gmail.com> wrote:

> I have a bound form in an Access 2000 data project. 
> I have a field
> named txtADE, I set it to 3 and immediatly the
> before_update fires. 
> however in the before_update code if I try to
> reference txtADE it
> shows my previous value, not the new one... what
> gives?
> 
> thanks,
> -- 
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From Donald.A.McGillivray at sprint.com  Wed Aug 31 18:18:16 2005
From: Donald.A.McGillivray at sprint.com (Mcgillivray, Don [ITS])
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 18:18:16 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Form Before Update
Message-ID: <EC829B33DF5B5B48A956B7A2E894AA9A01B31FB5@PLSWB06C.ad.sprint.com>

Never mind.  My response is incorrect.  Should have actually tried this
BEFORE chiming in.  Hope somebody else can shed a little light.

<returning to lurk mode>

Don

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mcgillivray,
Don [ITS]
Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 2:40 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Form Before Update


Francisco,

Is it possible that you're using the *control's* Before_Update, instead
of the *Form's*?  At the control level, Before_Update will fire "before"
the update - that is, before the control's value is updated to whatever
you have typed.  Thus, the control will still contain its original
value.  With the form's Before_Update, you will be able to retrieve the
values that you have entered into any controls on the form, but it
doesn't fire until you save or otherwise attempt to move off the record.
If you're trying to evaluate what's been entered in a control either as
it's being entered or after, try the On_Change event for the control.

HTH

Don


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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Mon Aug  1 00:26:05 2005
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 22:26:05 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] mde....mdb format
References: <002101c5962c$4d06dcf0$ebc2f63f@Desktop>
Message-ID: <42EDB26D.3080802@shaw.ca>

What is this click event actually doing. Try doing a decompile before 
creating the mde then recompile.
Also try doing it with the /runtime command line parameter in a shortcut

John Eget wrote:

>I have correctly complied and ran a mdb database with no errors, yet when i convert to mde i get the error pop that the command on a click event is not available in a mde/ade format. has anyone came across this before,  what happens when i create a mde?
>
>Thanks for looking
>John 
>  
>

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From accessd666 at yahoo.com  Mon Aug  1 03:26:04 2005
From: accessd666 at yahoo.com (Sad Der)
Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 01:26:04 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Display records from SQL Server SP with cursor output
	param
Message-ID: <20050801082604.33580.qmail@web31610.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi group,

I've got a Stored Procedure in SQL Server. It has 1 IN
and 1 OUTPUT param.
The SP is used to search a database for values and
return the data using a cursor accordingly.

If I run the code below (SQL Server) it returns
exactly the records I need.

My question:
How can I call this SP from within MS-Access 2000 and
display the cursor info?

DECLARE @MyCursor CURSOR
EXEC search_cursor 
	@Remark = '%Project%' ,
	@search_cursor = @MyCursor OUTPUT
WHILE (@@FETCH_STATUS = 0)
BEGIN
   FETCH NEXT FROM @MyCursor
END
CLOSE @MyCursor
DEALLOCATE @MyCursor
GO

Thnx

SD

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From accessd666 at yahoo.com  Mon Aug  1 04:46:16 2005
From: accessd666 at yahoo.com (Sad Der)
Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 02:46:16 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] GRID??
Message-ID: <20050801094616.34076.qmail@web31605.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi group,

??? que pasa ???
isn't there a grid in ms-access I can use??

I've got a recordset that returns somewhere between 3
and  x fields. I want to display the data in a grid. 

However i cannot find anything regarding a grid in
Access. Come to think of it, I cannot remember that
I've ever used a grid.

Any ideas?

Thnx

SD

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From vrm at tim-cms.com  Mon Aug  1 06:33:16 2005
From: vrm at tim-cms.com (Marcel Vreuls)
Date: Mon,  1 Aug 2005 07:33:16 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] GRID??
Message-ID: <200508010733.AA1042219266@tim-cms.com>

SD, 

I use JanusGrid 2000 a lot. Take a look at componentresource.com and search for Janus. They have also included a good access example with connected and disconnected recordsets. 

Gr. marcel 
---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: Sad Der <accessd666 at yahoo.com>
Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Date:  Mon, 1 Aug 2005 02:46:16 -0700 (PDT)

>Hi group,
>
>??? que pasa ???
>isn't there a grid in ms-access I can use??
>
>I've got a recordset that returns somewhere between 3
>and  x fields. I want to display the data in a grid. 
>
>However i cannot find anything regarding a grid in
>Access. Come to think of it, I cannot remember that
>I've ever used a grid.
>
>Any ideas?
>
>Thnx
>
>SD
>
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From vrm at tim-cms.com  Mon Aug  1 06:34:10 2005
From: vrm at tim-cms.com (Marcel Vreuls)
Date: Mon,  1 Aug 2005 07:34:10 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Re: Undeliverable Mail
Message-ID: <200508010734.AA1037893792@tim-cms.com>

SD, 

I use JanusGrid 2000 a lot. Take a look at componentresource.com and search for Janus. They have also included a good access example with connected and disconnected recordsets. 

Gr. marcel 
>---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
>From: Sad Der <accessd666 at yahoo.com>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Date:  Mon, 1 Aug 2005 02:46:16 -0700 (PDT)
>
>>Hi group,
>>
>>??? que pasa ???
>>isn't there a grid in ms-access I can use??
>>
>>I've got a recordset that returns somewhere between 3
>>and  x fields. I want to display the data in a grid. 
>>
>>However i cannot find anything regarding a grid in
>>Access. Come to think of it, I cannot remember that
>>I've ever used a grid.
>>
>>Any ideas?
>>
>>Thnx
>>
>>SD
>>
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From accessd666 at yahoo.com  Mon Aug  1 07:08:34 2005
From: accessd666 at yahoo.com (Sad Der)
Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 05:08:34 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] GRID??
In-Reply-To: <200508010733.AA1042219266@tim-cms.com>
Message-ID: <20050801120834.68317.qmail@web31603.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Thnx but that doesn't help me out now.
It has to be Access functionality (maybe vb activeX?)
I'm lookin into that now.

Regards,

SD

--- Marcel Vreuls <vrm at tim-cms.com> wrote:

> SD, 
> 
> I use JanusGrid 2000 a lot. Take a look at
> componentresource.com and search for Janus. They
> have also included a good access example with
> connected and disconnected recordsets. 
> 
> Gr. marcel 
> ---------- Original Message
> ----------------------------------
> From: Sad Der <accessd666 at yahoo.com>
> Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem
> solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Date:  Mon, 1 Aug 2005 02:46:16 -0700 (PDT)
> 
> >Hi group,
> >
> >??? que pasa ???
> >isn't there a grid in ms-access I can use??
> >
> >I've got a recordset that returns somewhere between
> 3
> >and  x fields. I want to display the data in a
> grid. 
> >
> >However i cannot find anything regarding a grid in
> >Access. Come to think of it, I cannot remember that
> >I've ever used a grid.
> >
> >Any ideas?
> >
> >Thnx
> >
> >SD
> >
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From vrm at tim-cms.com  Mon Aug  1 07:47:03 2005
From: vrm at tim-cms.com (| Marcel Vreuls)
Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 14:47:03 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] GRID??
In-Reply-To: <20050801120834.68317.qmail@web31603.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000e01c59697$1e40abb0$0100000a@GALAXY.local>

SD,

janus is a vb active X control. If  you want native access grids there are
to my knowlegde only three workarrounds/solutions:

- work with continues forms which give you a grid look and feel and sorting
possibilities.
- work with the listview and make sortopties for every column
- embed excel as oleobject and fill the excel sheet.

Marcel




-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Sad Der
Sent: maandag 1 augustus 2005 14:09
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] GRID??


Thnx but that doesn't help me out now.
It has to be Access functionality (maybe vb activeX?)
I'm lookin into that now.

Regards,

SD

--- Marcel Vreuls <vrm at tim-cms.com> wrote:

> SD,
>
> I use JanusGrid 2000 a lot. Take a look at
> componentresource.com and search for Janus. They
> have also included a good access example with
> connected and disconnected recordsets.
>
> Gr. marcel
> ---------- Original Message
> ----------------------------------
> From: Sad Der <accessd666 at yahoo.com>
> Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem
> solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Date:  Mon, 1 Aug 2005 02:46:16 -0700 (PDT)
>
> >Hi group,
> >
> >??? que pasa ???
> >isn't there a grid in ms-access I can use??
> >
> >I've got a recordset that returns somewhere between
> 3
> >and  x fields. I want to display the data in a
> grid.
> >
> >However i cannot find anything regarding a grid in
> >Access. Come to think of it, I cannot remember that
> >I've ever used a grid.
> >
> >Any ideas?
> >
> >Thnx
> >
> >SD
> >
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From ssharkins at bellsouth.net  Mon Aug  1 07:43:46 2005
From: ssharkins at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 08:43:46 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] GRID??
In-Reply-To: <000e01c59697$1e40abb0$0100000a@GALAXY.local>
Message-ID: <20050801124341.ZGNC24175.ibm69aec.bellsouth.net@SUSANONE>

 
- work with the listview and make sortopties for every column

========What is a listview?

Susan H. 



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Aug  1 07:56:25 2005
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 08:56:25 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] test
Message-ID: <002501c59698$6d45e620$0501a8c0@ColbyM6805>



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From accessd666 at yahoo.com  Mon Aug  1 08:02:08 2005
From: accessd666 at yahoo.com (Sad Der)
Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 06:02:08 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] GRID?? <SOLVED...kinda>
In-Reply-To: <000e01c59697$1e40abb0$0100000a@GALAXY.local>
Message-ID: <20050801130208.16097.qmail@web31612.mail.mud.yahoo.com>


Thnx, for the replies.
I've solved the problem like this:
1 - I've created a SQL server view
2 - I've created a Pass-Through query
3 - I've created a sub-form based on step 2

Now 'all' I have to do is figure out how I can add a
parameter that is filled using a form... :-)

regards,

SD


--- | Marcel Vreuls <vrm at tim-cms.com> wrote:

> SD,
> 
> janus is a vb active X control. If  you want native
> access grids there are
> to my knowlegde only three workarrounds/solutions:
> 
> - work with continues forms which give you a grid
> look and feel and sorting
> possibilities.
> - work with the listview and make sortopties for
> every column
> - embed excel as oleobject and fill the excel sheet.
> 
> Marcel
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On
> Behalf Of Sad Der
> Sent: maandag 1 augustus 2005 14:09
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] GRID??
> 
> 
> Thnx but that doesn't help me out now.
> It has to be Access functionality (maybe vb
> activeX?)
> I'm lookin into that now.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> SD
> 
> --- Marcel Vreuls <vrm at tim-cms.com> wrote:
> 
> > SD,
> >
> > I use JanusGrid 2000 a lot. Take a look at
> > componentresource.com and search for Janus. They
> > have also included a good access example with
> > connected and disconnected recordsets.
> >
> > Gr. marcel
> > ---------- Original Message
> > ----------------------------------
> > From: Sad Der <accessd666 at yahoo.com>
> > Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem
> > solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Date:  Mon, 1 Aug 2005 02:46:16 -0700 (PDT)
> >
> > >Hi group,
> > >
> > >??? que pasa ???
> > >isn't there a grid in ms-access I can use??
> > >
> > >I've got a recordset that returns somewhere
> between
> > 3
> > >and  x fields. I want to display the data in a
> > grid.
> > >
> > >However i cannot find anything regarding a grid
> in
> > >Access. Come to think of it, I cannot remember
> that
> > >I've ever used a grid.
> > >
> > >Any ideas?
> > >
> > >Thnx
> > >
> > >SD
> > >
> >
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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Mon Aug  1 09:15:51 2005
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 09:15:51 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Enforcing Database Properties in Code
Message-ID: <000001c596a3$898a1210$0300a8c0@danwaters>

Hello to everyone!

 

I've set up code that will detect and change database properties as the
database is opened.  For startup properties, you need to shut down the
database and restart before they take effect - i.e., "AllowSpecialKeys".
So, the code will change the property and immediately shut down the
database.  This happens during the startup routines so the user has to
restart to get in. Each time this happens the event is stored in a log which
is sent to me daily.

 

However, I had believed that the database properties would have been stored
within the application on the PC.  But, with the event log I get it appears
that the properties must be stored either in the BE or the workgroup file,
because even though the properties have been set once on someone's PC, they
may get set again a few days later.  The users don't know how to change the
properties manually, and the toolbar to do that is hidden anyway.  And,
almost all of the users don't use access for anything else.

 

The database is in AXP, split FE/BE, and secured with a separate workgroup
file.  Also, the administrator needs to go manage the startup properties
from time to time.

 

My question is - How can I enforce startup properties?

 

Thanks!

Dan Waters

 



From jmhecht at earthlink.net  Mon Aug  1 09:18:56 2005
From: jmhecht at earthlink.net (Joe Hecht)
Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 07:18:56 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] test
In-Reply-To: <002501c59698$6d45e620$0501a8c0@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <002101c596a3$f4c08320$6401a8c0@laptop1>

As almost always   PASS

Joe Hecht
Los Angeles CA

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Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 5:56 AM
To: access at joe2.endjunk.com; 'Access Developers discussion and problem
solving'
Subject: [AccessD] test



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From John.Clark at niagaracounty.com  Mon Aug  1 09:36:33 2005
From: John.Clark at niagaracounty.com (John Clark)
Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2005 10:36:33 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] variable as object
Message-ID: <s2edfb69.042@nebnov3.niagaracounty.com>

I am playing around with a new menu interface, and I am trying to
streamline it a bit, so that it may be reused for different menus with
different quantities of buttons. For instance my main menu has only
three buttons, while the reports menu has nine. Basically, I have
invisible buttons over labels, and I set the focus on a MouseMove and,
when the focus is set, I change the BackColor and ForeColor of the label
to emphasize the current button. I am trying to use the function below
to set all buttons to their default state, and then set the current
button to the "special" color scheme. However, I am getting the error
message, "Object Required" and it refers to both the with statements. If
I comment out these two statements and add in a "Label38.caption =
lblst" the caption of this test label does change properly as I move the
mouse over the buttons.

Can I please get a fresh set of eyes to point out my failing on this?


________________________________________________________________________________________________-

Public Function BtnChange(BtnNum As String, BtnQuan As Integer)

'***** I call this function from each of the OnFocus events of the
command buttons, using the syntax "BtnChange 1, 9"
'***** 1 is the actual button number and thus changes for each
button...they are named lbl01 to lbl09.
'***** 9 is the total num of buttons and does not change.

Dim x As Integer
Dim y As String
Dim lblst As Variant    '*** I did have this set to string, but have
changed in an effort to fix the problem ***

x = 1

While x < BtnQuan
    y = CStr(x)
    lblst = "lbl0" & y
    
    With lblst
        .BackColor = 10066329
        .ForeColor = 0
    End With
    
    x = x + 1
Wend

lblst = "lbl0" & BtnNum
Label38.Caption = lblst '*** this is just a test statement I put in to
verify up to a point.



With lblst
 .BackColor = 6381921
 .ForeColor = 6670333
End With

End Function
_______________________________________________________________________

Thank you!

John W Clark





From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Mon Aug  1 10:09:11 2005
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (DWUTKA at marlow.com)
Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 10:09:11 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Error 550
Message-ID: <123701F54509D9119A4F00D0B747349016DB83@main2.marlow.com>

Ok.  Didn't catch that the first time.  Is mail.colbyconsulting.com 'local'?
I mean, is it residing where you are at, or is it the mail server of your
hosting company?

Drew

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From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2005 12:31 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Error 550


Yea, but it is more than that.  If I just send a test message to myself, it
just goes.  A few minutes later it comes back in just fine.  If I send to
one of these other places, it INSTANTLY gets this 550 error in my inbox.  If
I then change from using mail.colbyconsulting.com as the smtp server address
to the "local" smtp address (RR address) it goes out just fine.  So it is
not a case of "we don't like this destination".  It is just forcing me to
send through their mail server, but NOT when sending to my own mail server.
Truly odd don't you think?

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of DWUTKA at marlow.com
Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2005 12:51 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Error 550


It depends on how they have THEIR mail server setup.  With the onslaught of
spam, a lot of mail servers get down right finicky on what it will let
through.  I know my personal domain is/was blocked on several mail servers
because the IP's in my domain were listed as dynamic, instead of static,
which they WERE static.  If the domain of the email you are sending 'from'
doesn't match the IP's sending the mail, that's another big 'block'.  Then
there are several 'black lists' on the web, which store domains considered
to be spam.

Honestly, it's an issue that is a sore point for me (both spam, and the
methods used to block).  

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2005 11:43 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; Tech - Database
Advisors Inc.
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Error 550


Does anyone understand what is going on with email sent from inside of
specific networks.  Here's the situation...

I get the following error (as an example):

Your message did not reach some or all of the intended recipients.

      Subject:	RE: Logging in to George
      Sent:	7/29/2005 1:00 PM

The following recipient(s) could not be reached:

      'Jason Ralph' on 7/29/2005 1:00 PM
            550 not local host invohealthcare.com, not a gateway

>From my sister-in-law's house when I try to send to this specific 
>address,
using SMPT server mail.colbyconsulting.com.  If I send mail to myself I do
not get this problem (to jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com).  I have seen this
exact same symptom if sending from my client.  It never happened before from
my sister-in-law's but is now.

It turns out that if I look at her email smtp server
(mail.rochester.rr.com), and modify my smtp server to match it works.  It
appears that this is the classic port 25 blocking thing.  It is a royal PITA
to have to find out what the correct smtp server is, modify Outlook, and
send to that whenever I move from place to place.

At my previous host for MY WEB SITE, they had me set up to send on a
different port (26 maybe?) and then it worked regardless of where I was
since only port 25 was being blocked and my web email server
(mail.colbyconsulting.com) was expecting traffic on a different port.

The odd part here is that I can send to myself (always), i.e.
jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com.  That must go on port 25 as well, so why does
that go just fine, but not the other message?

John W. Colby
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From Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org  Mon Aug  1 10:28:41 2005
From: Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 11:28:41 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] variable as object
Message-ID: <08F823FD83787D4BA0B99CA580AD3C74016C3BFC@TTNEXCHCL2.hshhp.com>

It looks like you're referring to your control via a string not a control object.  Try something like:

Me.Controls(lblst).BackColor

HTH

Jim DeMarco

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Clark
Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 10:37 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] variable as object


I am playing around with a new menu interface, and I am trying to
streamline it a bit, so that it may be reused for different menus with
different quantities of buttons. For instance my main menu has only
three buttons, while the reports menu has nine. Basically, I have
invisible buttons over labels, and I set the focus on a MouseMove and,
when the focus is set, I change the BackColor and ForeColor of the label
to emphasize the current button. I am trying to use the function below
to set all buttons to their default state, and then set the current
button to the "special" color scheme. However, I am getting the error
message, "Object Required" and it refers to both the with statements. If
I comment out these two statements and add in a "Label38.caption =
lblst" the caption of this test label does change properly as I move the
mouse over the buttons.

Can I please get a fresh set of eyes to point out my failing on this?


________________________________________________________________________________________________-

Public Function BtnChange(BtnNum As String, BtnQuan As Integer)

'***** I call this function from each of the OnFocus events of the
command buttons, using the syntax "BtnChange 1, 9"
'***** 1 is the actual button number and thus changes for each
button...they are named lbl01 to lbl09.
'***** 9 is the total num of buttons and does not change.

Dim x As Integer
Dim y As String
Dim lblst As Variant    '*** I did have this set to string, but have
changed in an effort to fix the problem ***

x = 1

While x < BtnQuan
    y = CStr(x)
    lblst = "lbl0" & y
    
    With lblst
        .BackColor = 10066329
        .ForeColor = 0
    End With
    
    x = x + 1
Wend

lblst = "lbl0" & BtnNum
Label38.Caption = lblst '*** this is just a test statement I put in to
verify up to a point.



With lblst
 .BackColor = 6381921
 .ForeColor = 6670333
End With

End Function
_______________________________________________________________________

Thank you!

John W Clark



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From John.Clark at niagaracounty.com  Mon Aug  1 11:08:15 2005
From: John.Clark at niagaracounty.com (John Clark)
Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2005 12:08:15 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] variable as object
Message-ID: <s2ee10cf.080@nebnov3.niagaracounty.com>

Thanks Jim. This seems to be it. I'm going to have to learn about the
control object a little more. I have run into similar problems other
times and just "went around" the problem, and I think this would have
helped me then too.

Take care!

John W Clark

>>> Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org 8/1/2005 11:28 AM >>>
It looks like you're referring to your control via a string not a
control object.  Try something like:

Me.Controls(lblst).BackColor

HTH

Jim DeMarco

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Clark
Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 10:37 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: [AccessD] variable as object


I am playing around with a new menu interface, and I am trying to
streamline it a bit, so that it may be reused for different menus with
different quantities of buttons. For instance my main menu has only
three buttons, while the reports menu has nine. Basically, I have
invisible buttons over labels, and I set the focus on a MouseMove and,
when the focus is set, I change the BackColor and ForeColor of the
label
to emphasize the current button. I am trying to use the function below
to set all buttons to their default state, and then set the current
button to the "special" color scheme. However, I am getting the error
message, "Object Required" and it refers to both the with statements.
If
I comment out these two statements and add in a "Label38.caption =
lblst" the caption of this test label does change properly as I move
the
mouse over the buttons.

Can I please get a fresh set of eyes to point out my failing on this?


________________________________________________________________________________________________-

Public Function BtnChange(BtnNum As String, BtnQuan As Integer)

'***** I call this function from each of the OnFocus events of the
command buttons, using the syntax "BtnChange 1, 9"
'***** 1 is the actual button number and thus changes for each
button...they are named lbl01 to lbl09.
'***** 9 is the total num of buttons and does not change.

Dim x As Integer
Dim y As String
Dim lblst As Variant    '*** I did have this set to string, but have
changed in an effort to fix the problem ***

x = 1

While x < BtnQuan
    y = CStr(x)
    lblst = "lbl0" & y
    
    With lblst
        .BackColor = 10066329
        .ForeColor = 0
    End With
    
    x = x + 1
Wend

lblst = "lbl0" & BtnNum
Label38.Caption = lblst '*** this is just a test statement I put in to
verify up to a point.



With lblst
 .BackColor = 6381921
 .ForeColor = 6670333
End With

End Function
_______________________________________________________________________

Thank you!

John W Clark



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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Aug  1 11:15:20 2005
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 09:15:20 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] mde....mdb format
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86873B63@infoserver01.infostat.local>

What click event on which object?  There are certainly things you can't
do in an mde/ade because of the nature of the container, so what exactly
is the event trying to do?

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: John Eget [mailto:joeget at vgernet.net] 
Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2005 5:02 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] mde....mdb format


I have correctly complied and ran a mdb database with no errors, yet
when i convert to mde i get the error pop that the command on a click
event is not available in a mde/ade format. has anyone came across this
before,  what happens when i create a mde?

Thanks for looking
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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Aug  1 11:23:05 2005
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2005 18:23:05 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] variable as object
Message-ID: <s2ee68a4.000@cactus.dk>

Hi John

Also study the WithEvents Demo at Mr. Colby's site:

  http://www.colbyconsulting.com/

Applying WithEvents will bring your form to a new level.

/gustav


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Clark
Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 10:37 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: [AccessD] variable as object


I am playing around with a new menu interface, and I am trying to
streamline it a bit, so that it may be reused for different menus with
different quantities of buttons. For instance my main menu has only
three buttons, while the reports menu has nine. Basically, I have
invisible buttons over labels, and I set the focus on a MouseMove and,
when the focus is set, I change the BackColor and ForeColor of the
label to emphasize the current button. ..



From Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org  Mon Aug  1 12:05:58 2005
From: Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 13:05:58 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] variable as object
Message-ID: <08F823FD83787D4BA0B99CA580AD3C74016C3C00@TTNEXCHCL2.hshhp.com>

I should have mentioned that if you want to assign the label to a variable (which your original code attempted to do) you can do it like this:

<snip>
Dim lblCurrent as Access.Label
Dim x As Integer

x = 1

While x < BtnQuan

    Set lblCurrent = Me.Controls("lbl10" & CStr(x))
    
    With lblCurrent 
        .BackColor = 10066329
        .ForeColor = 0
    End With
    
    x = x + 1
Wend
</snip>

Jim D.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Clark
Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 12:08 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] variable as object


Thanks Jim. This seems to be it. I'm going to have to learn about the
control object a little more. I have run into similar problems other
times and just "went around" the problem, and I think this would have
helped me then too.

Take care!

John W Clark

>>> Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org 8/1/2005 11:28 AM >>>
It looks like you're referring to your control via a string not a
control object.  Try something like:

Me.Controls(lblst).BackColor

HTH

Jim DeMarco

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Clark
Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 10:37 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: [AccessD] variable as object


I am playing around with a new menu interface, and I am trying to
streamline it a bit, so that it may be reused for different menus with
different quantities of buttons. For instance my main menu has only
three buttons, while the reports menu has nine. Basically, I have
invisible buttons over labels, and I set the focus on a MouseMove and,
when the focus is set, I change the BackColor and ForeColor of the
label
to emphasize the current button. I am trying to use the function below
to set all buttons to their default state, and then set the current
button to the "special" color scheme. However, I am getting the error
message, "Object Required" and it refers to both the with statements.
If
I comment out these two statements and add in a "Label38.caption =
lblst" the caption of this test label does change properly as I move
the
mouse over the buttons.

Can I please get a fresh set of eyes to point out my failing on this?


________________________________________________________________________________________________-

Public Function BtnChange(BtnNum As String, BtnQuan As Integer)

'***** I call this function from each of the OnFocus events of the
command buttons, using the syntax "BtnChange 1, 9"
'***** 1 is the actual button number and thus changes for each
button...they are named lbl01 to lbl09.
'***** 9 is the total num of buttons and does not change.

Dim x As Integer
Dim y As String
Dim lblst As Variant    '*** I did have this set to string, but have
changed in an effort to fix the problem ***

x = 1

While x < BtnQuan
    y = CStr(x)
    lblst = "lbl0" & y
    
    With lblst
        .BackColor = 10066329
        .ForeColor = 0
    End With
    
    x = x + 1
Wend

lblst = "lbl0" & BtnNum
Label38.Caption = lblst '*** this is just a test statement I put in to
verify up to a point.



With lblst
 .BackColor = 6381921
 .ForeColor = 6670333
End With

End Function
_______________________________________________________________________

Thank you!

John W Clark



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From John.Clark at niagaracounty.com  Mon Aug  1 12:58:54 2005
From: John.Clark at niagaracounty.com (John Clark)
Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2005 13:58:54 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] variable as object
Message-ID: <s2ee2aef.039@nebnov3.niagaracounty.com>

Yeah, thanks. I did figure this out, but it was your original answer
which pointed me to it.



>>> Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org 8/1/2005 1:05 PM >>>
I should have mentioned that if you want to assign the label to a
variable (which your original code attempted to do) you can do it like
this:

<snip>
Dim lblCurrent as Access.Label
Dim x As Integer

x = 1

While x < BtnQuan

    Set lblCurrent = Me.Controls("lbl10" & CStr(x))
    
    With lblCurrent 
        .BackColor = 10066329
        .ForeColor = 0
    End With
    
    x = x + 1
Wend
</snip>

Jim D.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Clark
Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 12:08 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: RE: [AccessD] variable as object


Thanks Jim. This seems to be it. I'm going to have to learn about the
control object a little more. I have run into similar problems other
times and just "went around" the problem, and I think this would have
helped me then too.

Take care!

John W Clark

>>> Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org 8/1/2005 11:28 AM >>>
It looks like you're referring to your control via a string not a
control object.  Try something like:

Me.Controls(lblst).BackColor

HTH

Jim DeMarco

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Clark
Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 10:37 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: [AccessD] variable as object


I am playing around with a new menu interface, and I am trying to
streamline it a bit, so that it may be reused for different menus with
different quantities of buttons. For instance my main menu has only
three buttons, while the reports menu has nine. Basically, I have
invisible buttons over labels, and I set the focus on a MouseMove and,
when the focus is set, I change the BackColor and ForeColor of the
label
to emphasize the current button. I am trying to use the function below
to set all buttons to their default state, and then set the current
button to the "special" color scheme. However, I am getting the error
message, "Object Required" and it refers to both the with statements.
If
I comment out these two statements and add in a "Label38.caption =
lblst" the caption of this test label does change properly as I move
the
mouse over the buttons.

Can I please get a fresh set of eyes to point out my failing on this?


________________________________________________________________________________________________-

Public Function BtnChange(BtnNum As String, BtnQuan As Integer)

'***** I call this function from each of the OnFocus events of the
command buttons, using the syntax "BtnChange 1, 9"
'***** 1 is the actual button number and thus changes for each
button...they are named lbl01 to lbl09.
'***** 9 is the total num of buttons and does not change.

Dim x As Integer
Dim y As String
Dim lblst As Variant    '*** I did have this set to string, but have
changed in an effort to fix the problem ***

x = 1

While x < BtnQuan
    y = CStr(x)
    lblst = "lbl0" & y
    
    With lblst
        .BackColor = 10066329
        .ForeColor = 0
    End With
    
    x = x + 1
Wend

lblst = "lbl0" & BtnNum
Label38.Caption = lblst '*** this is just a test statement I put in to
verify up to a point.



With lblst
 .BackColor = 6381921
 .ForeColor = 6670333
End With

End Function
_______________________________________________________________________

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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Mon Aug  1 14:09:35 2005
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2005 12:09:35 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Error 550
References: <123701F54509D9119A4F00D0B747349016DB83@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <42EE736F.8000106@shaw.ca>

If you are running code as below, it will only run inside the domain of 
the ISP
unless you can find an open email server that will allow redirects.
ie.  your cable modem  is consider inside the domain of the ISP.
Also the SMTP running on your machine may do a quick redirect
local to your machine when checking the output email queue  to transmit.
Maybe just in case you bcc: yourself.


Here is another email method. I am not sure of all of the
ramifications of this method. One being your ISP may block.
Any comments?


'The example code is using CDOSYS (CDO for Windows 2000 or XP).
'I dont think I would want to go back to CDONTS for earlier systems
'It does not depend on MAPI or CDO or Outlook
'It does not use your mailbox to send email.
' So you can send mail without a mail program or mail account
' This code builds the message and drops it into a pickup directory,
' and the SMTP service running on the machine
' picks it up and send it out to the internet.

'So why use CDO code instead of Outlook automation or
Application.SendMail in VBA.
' It doesn't matter what Mail program you are using (It uses the
SMTP server).
' It doesn't matter what Office version you are using.
' supposedly you can send an object or file in the body of the mail
(some mail programs can't do this)
' haven't verified this
' You can send any file attachment you like.
' No Outlook Security warning so no need for Redemption
' You probably wont have your mail server full expanded smtp address
'If you go into netscape mail or outlook and look for the smtp name
'It will look like mine, "shawmail" or "shawnews" this dns resolves
'to "shawmail.cg.shawcable.net" CDO doesn't resolve this short name
so
'The quickest way to get this actual address without using registry
et al.
'is run cmd and ping "shawmail" to return full qualified smtp
address.
'This code wont run exactly unless you are on cable and signed on in
the Shaw or whatever is your domain, your cable modem is a node in
their domain

Sub SendCDO()
' This example use late binding of CDOSys, you don't have to set a
reference
' You must be online to net when you run the sub
' You must be running WinXP or Win2000
Dim cdoMessage As Object
Dim objCDOMail As Object
Dim strschema As String
On Error GoTo ErrorHandler ' Enable error-handling routine.
'
Set cdoMessage = CreateObject("CDO.Message")
Set objCDOMail = CreateObject("CDO.Configuration")
strschema = "http://schemas.microsoft.com/cdo/configuration/"
objCDOMail.Load -1 ' CDO Source Default
'If you have illegal or wrong smtp address here it will run for 30-
60 seconds and finally give transport error
With objCDOMail.Fields
.Item(strschema & "sendusing") = 2 ' cdoSendUsingPort
.Item(strschema & "smtpserver")
= "shawmail.cg.shawcable.net" ' "Your SMTP server address here"
.Item(strschema & "smtpserverport") = 25 'specify port number
.Update
End With

With cdoMessage
Set .Configuration = objCDOMail
.to = "macon at g..."
.From = "Winnie The Pooh <macon at s...>"
.CC = ""
.BCC = ""
.Subject = "This is another test from marty"
.TextBody = "This is the text in the body just cdo defaults"
.AddAttachment "C:\temp2\rptSampleCount.rtf"
.AddAttachment "C:\temp2\frontimage.jpeg"
.send
End With

Set cdoMessage = Nothing
Set objCDOMail = Nothing
Exit Sub ' Exit to avoid handler.
ErrorHandler: ' Error-handling routine.
Debug.Print Err.Number & "-" & Err.Description
Set cdoMessage = Nothing
Set objCDOMail = Nothing
Exit Sub
End Sub

DWUTKA at marlow.com wrote:

>Ok.  Didn't catch that the first time.  Is mail.colbyconsulting.com 'local'?
>I mean, is it residing where you are at, or is it the mail server of your
>hosting company?
>
>Drew
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
>Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2005 12:31 AM
>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Error 550
>
>
>Yea, but it is more than that.  If I just send a test message to myself, it
>just goes.  A few minutes later it comes back in just fine.  If I send to
>one of these other places, it INSTANTLY gets this 550 error in my inbox.  If
>I then change from using mail.colbyconsulting.com as the smtp server address
>to the "local" smtp address (RR address) it goes out just fine.  So it is
>not a case of "we don't like this destination".  It is just forcing me to
>send through their mail server, but NOT when sending to my own mail server.
>Truly odd don't you think?
>
>John W. Colby
>www.ColbyConsulting.com 
>
>Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
>http://folding.stanford.edu/
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of DWUTKA at marlow.com
>Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2005 12:51 AM
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Error 550
>
>
>It depends on how they have THEIR mail server setup.  With the onslaught of
>spam, a lot of mail servers get down right finicky on what it will let
>through.  I know my personal domain is/was blocked on several mail servers
>because the IP's in my domain were listed as dynamic, instead of static,
>which they WERE static.  If the domain of the email you are sending 'from'
>doesn't match the IP's sending the mail, that's another big 'block'.  Then
>there are several 'black lists' on the web, which store domains considered
>to be spam.
>
>Honestly, it's an issue that is a sore point for me (both spam, and the
>methods used to block).  
>
>Drew
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
>Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2005 11:43 PM
>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; Tech - Database
>Advisors Inc.
>Subject: [AccessD] OT: Error 550
>
>
>Does anyone understand what is going on with email sent from inside of
>specific networks.  Here's the situation...
>
>I get the following error (as an example):
>
>Your message did not reach some or all of the intended recipients.
>
>      Subject:	RE: Logging in to George
>      Sent:	7/29/2005 1:00 PM
>
>The following recipient(s) could not be reached:
>
>      'Jason Ralph' on 7/29/2005 1:00 PM
>            550 not local host invohealthcare.com, not a gateway
>
>>From my sister-in-law's house when I try to send to this specific 
>  
>
>>address,
>>    
>>
>using SMPT server mail.colbyconsulting.com.  If I send mail to myself I do
>not get this problem (to jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com).  I have seen this
>exact same symptom if sending from my client.  It never happened before from
>my sister-in-law's but is now.
>
>It turns out that if I look at her email smtp server
>(mail.rochester.rr.com), and modify my smtp server to match it works.  It
>appears that this is the classic port 25 blocking thing.  It is a royal PITA
>to have to find out what the correct smtp server is, modify Outlook, and
>send to that whenever I move from place to place.
>
>At my previous host for MY WEB SITE, they had me set up to send on a
>different port (26 maybe?) and then it worked regardless of where I was
>since only port 25 was being blocked and my web email server
>(mail.colbyconsulting.com) was expecting traffic on a different port.
>
>The odd part here is that I can send to myself (always), i.e.
>jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com.  That must go on port 25 as well, so why does
>that go just fine, but not the other message?
>
>John W. Colby
>www.ColbyConsulting.com 
>
>Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
>http://folding.stanford.edu/
>
>
>  
>

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From joeget at vgernet.net  Mon Aug  1 15:07:39 2005
From: joeget at vgernet.net (John Eget)
Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 16:07:39 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Fw: ICE - In Case of Emergency
Message-ID: <00a401c596d5$3a3a8000$efc2f63f@Desktop>

I put an underscore in front of my _ICE and also have _ICE1, _ICE2, and _IC#3

Subject: ICE - In Case of Emergency


http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/news/wabc_072605_icecellphone.html

 

Just wanted to share some good info if it's ever needed.

 

Mark

 


From Susan.Klos at fldoe.org  Mon Aug  1 15:16:21 2005
From: Susan.Klos at fldoe.org (Klos, Susan)
Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 16:16:21 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Find a record on a form
Message-ID: <D78B10E8D3277D42B76BD76569E52417D6441B@MAIL2.FLDOE.INT>

This is more complicated that just finding a record.  Let me explain my
situation.  I have three tables which are linked from Excel.  Someone
else periodically updates these tables.  I don't always know when they
are being updated.  I am trying to create a phone log form that uses a
tab control to show records from tblpeople on tab 1 and related calls on
tab 2.  tblpeople is populated from the three Excel tables as well as
from my input when I get a call from someone who is not in the tables.
My quandary is how to set a primary key to link the people with their
calls.  Then I want to be able to find these people on the form.  I
don't know whether to find by whole name, first name or last name in the
combo box.  Am I going to have to go to cascading combo boxes?  Adding a
new record goes back to what do I use for a primary key.  Further
complicating the issue is that many folks have more than one phone
number in the table and I want to put these in a separate phone table
and more than one responsibility which I want to put in a responsibility
table.  I know this is terribly complicated, but if anyone can give me
an idea how to set this up, I would be very appreciative.

 

Susan Klos

Senior Database Analyst

Evaluation and Reporting

Florida Department of Education

850-245-0708 

sc 205-0708

 



From dmcafee at pacbell.net  Mon Aug  1 15:36:38 2005
From: dmcafee at pacbell.net (dmcafee at pacbell.net)
Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 13:36:38 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Fw: ICE - In Case of Emergency
In-Reply-To: <00a401c596d5$3a3a8000$efc2f63f@Desktop>
Message-ID: <KDEHKEMIOHGKCDHLPPLKGECFFHAA.dmcafee@pacbell.net>

My sister in law just sent me this last week too. What's funny is I've
always added "Home" to my address book not only for that reason but if an
honest person ever found my lost cell phone.

oh, and try to carry ID at all times ;)

D

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Eget
Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 1:08 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Fw: ICE - In Case of Emergency


I put an underscore in front of my _ICE and also have _ICE1, _ICE2, and
_IC#3

Subject: ICE - In Case of Emergency


http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/news/wabc_072605_icecellphone.html



Just wanted to share some good info if it's ever needed.



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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Aug  1 17:12:52 2005
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2005 18:12:52 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Error 550
In-Reply-To: <123701F54509D9119A4F00D0B747349016DB83@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <001001c596e6$3a18de80$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

Mail.colbyconsulting.com is on the server of my hosting company.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of DWUTKA at marlow.com
Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 11:09 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Error 550


Ok.  Didn't catch that the first time.  Is mail.colbyconsulting.com 'local'?
I mean, is it residing where you are at, or is it the mail server of your
hosting company?

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2005 12:31 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Error 550


Yea, but it is more than that.  If I just send a test message to myself, it
just goes.  A few minutes later it comes back in just fine.  If I send to
one of these other places, it INSTANTLY gets this 550 error in my inbox.  If
I then change from using mail.colbyconsulting.com as the smtp server address
to the "local" smtp address (RR address) it goes out just fine.  So it is
not a case of "we don't like this destination".  It is just forcing me to
send through their mail server, but NOT when sending to my own mail server.
Truly odd don't you think?

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of DWUTKA at marlow.com
Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2005 12:51 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Error 550


It depends on how they have THEIR mail server setup.  With the onslaught of
spam, a lot of mail servers get down right finicky on what it will let
through.  I know my personal domain is/was blocked on several mail servers
because the IP's in my domain were listed as dynamic, instead of static,
which they WERE static.  If the domain of the email you are sending 'from'
doesn't match the IP's sending the mail, that's another big 'block'.  Then
there are several 'black lists' on the web, which store domains considered
to be spam.

Honestly, it's an issue that is a sore point for me (both spam, and the
methods used to block).  

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2005 11:43 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; Tech - Database
Advisors Inc.
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Error 550


Does anyone understand what is going on with email sent from inside of
specific networks.  Here's the situation...

I get the following error (as an example):

Your message did not reach some or all of the intended recipients.

      Subject:	RE: Logging in to George
      Sent:	7/29/2005 1:00 PM

The following recipient(s) could not be reached:

      'Jason Ralph' on 7/29/2005 1:00 PM
            550 not local host invohealthcare.com, not a gateway

>From my sister-in-law's house when I try to send to this specific
>address,
using SMPT server mail.colbyconsulting.com.  If I send mail to myself I do
not get this problem (to jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com).  I have seen this
exact same symptom if sending from my client.  It never happened before from
my sister-in-law's but is now.

It turns out that if I look at her email smtp server
(mail.rochester.rr.com), and modify my smtp server to match it works.  It
appears that this is the classic port 25 blocking thing.  It is a royal PITA
to have to find out what the correct smtp server is, modify Outlook, and
send to that whenever I move from place to place.

At my previous host for MY WEB SITE, they had me set up to send on a
different port (26 maybe?) and then it worked regardless of where I was
since only port 25 was being blocked and my web email server
(mail.colbyconsulting.com) was expecting traffic on a different port.

The odd part here is that I can send to myself (always), i.e.
jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com.  That must go on port 25 as well, so why does
that go just fine, but not the other message?

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From kimjwiggins at yahoo.com  Mon Aug  1 17:17:43 2005
From: kimjwiggins at yahoo.com (Kim Wiggins)
Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 15:17:43 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Problems with word Automation
Message-ID: <20050801221743.27831.qmail@web53609.mail.yahoo.com>

Hey everyone
Hope all is well.  I am not.  I coded an automation report in VB6 using Word and it works fine on my work laptop and my laptop at home.  But when I install it on the users computer, it gives me the standard application error and shuts down.  It says "My_app_name has encountered an error and must close" and then it offers to send a report.  Well that is flooring me because it runs in the development environment on both machines just fine.  
Can anyone think of anything that I am missing or overlooking?
Thanks
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From KP at sdsonline.net  Mon Aug  1 20:04:56 2005
From: KP at sdsonline.net (Kath Pelletti)
Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 11:04:56 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Runtime Vs Full Access Install
Message-ID: <003501c596fe$335141b0$6601a8c0@user>

William - maybe I have misunderstood. I thought that by including all dll's (or other files referred to in the vba references)  in the runtime install package, that it could then be standalone. By that I mean that it would run regardless of whether the user had (any version of Access) or not, as it is a packaged entity. 

Have I got that wrong? (And I am assuming using Sage / Wise)

Kath


----- Original Message ----- 
  From: William Hindman 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
  Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 3:26 PM
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Runtime Vs Full Access Install


  ..hhhmmm ...either I'm misreading you or there is a fundamental 
  misunderstanding somewhere in here ...a runtime mdb/mde is exactly the same 
  as a full install mdb/mde ...the difference is that Access itself is not 
  fully installed in a runtime ...the design/coding elements are not there so 
  a user can't change anything ...it runs exactly as you designed it to run.

  ..if you have an A97 mdb and an A2k runtime it should still run as long as 
  the references are there ...but the reverse is not true ...so I use startup 
  code to check the installed version and call the corresponding fe mdb/mde.

  ..if you invest in the wise install tools, they handle those issues much 
  better than the native Access distribution tools do and the default is to 
  let them do all the work for you.

  William



From ldoering at symphonyinfo.com  Mon Aug  1 22:44:17 2005
From: ldoering at symphonyinfo.com (Liz Doering)
Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 22:44:17 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Fw: ICE - In Case of Emergency
Message-ID: <855499653F55AD4190B242717DF132BC083019@dewey.Symphony.local>

This is probably OT, but my husband the paramedic was doubtful that ICE
would be helpful.  IF your phone makes it all the way to the emergency
room with you and IF you are otherwise unidentified,  then ER people
might find it helpful.  But paramedics are more concerned with you and
your injuries than with who you want notified.



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
dmcafee at pacbell.net
Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 3:46 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Fw: ICE - In Case of Emergency

My sister in law just sent me this last week too. What's funny is I've
always added "Home" to my address book not only for that reason but if
an
honest person ever found my lost cell phone.

oh, and try to carry ID at all times ;)

D

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Eget
Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 1:08 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Fw: ICE - In Case of Emergency


I put an underscore in front of my _ICE and also have _ICE1, _ICE2, and
_IC#3

Subject: ICE - In Case of Emergency


http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/news/wabc_072605_icecellphone.html



Just wanted to share some good info if it's ever needed.



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From dejpolsys at hotmail.com  Mon Aug  1 22:53:13 2005
From: dejpolsys at hotmail.com (William Hindman)
Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 23:53:13 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Runtime Vs Full Access Install
References: <003501c596fe$335141b0$6601a8c0@user>
Message-ID: <BAY103-DAV1605D362ED3F9B481F1494AEC20@phx.gbl>

Kath ...afaik the runtime is a "package" at install only ...but if a user 
subsequently installs full Access ...any version ...all bets are off because 
your runtime files integrity is dependent upon how the user does the install 
..a "default" install will screw your runtime more often than not because 
it defaults to removing older file versions, even if they are needed by your 
runtime ...Wise/Sage won't block that type of problem from happening either 
but when you reinstall your runtime they will handle the concurrent full 
version issues for you.

..I work with no full Access installs allowed on client systems with the 
exception of developer dedicated workstations ...and no "office" upgrades 
either even if they don't include Access, except by me ...the latter because 
the office vba modules share some common parts with Access vba.

..but I'll be the first to admit that most developers don't have that type 
of control over their app runtime environments and there may well be other, 
better ways to deal with it ...I just find that keeping it clean makes my 
life a lot simpler and my clients with a lot fewer problems.

William

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kath Pelletti" <KP at sdsonline.net>
To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 9:04 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Runtime Vs Full Access Install


William - maybe I have misunderstood. I thought that by including all dll's 
(or other files referred to in the vba references)  in the runtime install 
package, that it could then be standalone. By that I mean that it would run 
regardless of whether the user had (any version of Access) or not, as it is 
a packaged entity.

Have I got that wrong? (And I am assuming using Sage / Wise)

Kath


----- Original Message ----- 
  From: William Hindman
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
  Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 3:26 PM
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Runtime Vs Full Access Install


  ..hhhmmm ...either I'm misreading you or there is a fundamental
  misunderstanding somewhere in here ...a runtime mdb/mde is exactly the 
same
  as a full install mdb/mde ...the difference is that Access itself is not
  fully installed in a runtime ...the design/coding elements are not there 
so
  a user can't change anything ...it runs exactly as you designed it to run.

  ..if you have an A97 mdb and an A2k runtime it should still run as long as
  the references are there ...but the reverse is not true ...so I use 
startup
  code to check the installed version and call the corresponding fe mdb/mde.

  ..if you invest in the wise install tools, they handle those issues much
  better than the native Access distribution tools do and the default is to
  let them do all the work for you.

  William

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From jeff at boyes.net  Mon Aug  1 23:33:55 2005
From: jeff at boyes.net (Jeff)
Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 22:33:55 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] OT: ICE - In Case of Emergency
In-Reply-To: <855499653F55AD4190B242717DF132BC083019@dewey.Symphony.local>
Message-ID: <200508020433.j724XtR20165@databaseadvisors.com>


The ambulance service here said just today they will start training all
their employees to specifically look for this...so I guess it is all about
where you live...Of course, if _I_ come upon an accident scene, guess what I
am going to look for...

Better safe than sorry...

Jeff

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Liz Doering [mailto:ldoering at symphonyinfo.com] 
Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 9:44 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Fw: ICE - In Case of Emergency

This is probably OT, but my husband the paramedic was doubtful that ICE
would be helpful.  IF your phone makes it all the way to the emergency room
with you and IF you are otherwise unidentified,  then ER people might find
it helpful.  But paramedics are more concerned with you and your injuries
than with who you want notified.



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
dmcafee at pacbell.net
Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 3:46 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Fw: ICE - In Case of Emergency

My sister in law just sent me this last week too. What's funny is I've
always added "Home" to my address book not only for that reason but if an
honest person ever found my lost cell phone.

oh, and try to carry ID at all times ;)

D

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Eget
Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 1:08 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Fw: ICE - In Case of Emergency


I put an underscore in front of my _ICE and also have _ICE1, _ICE2, and
_IC#3

Subject: ICE - In Case of Emergency


http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/news/wabc_072605_icecellphone.html



Just wanted to share some good info if it's ever needed.



Mark


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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Tue Aug  2 00:28:50 2005
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2005 22:28:50 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Problems with word Automation
References: <20050801221743.27831.qmail@web53609.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <42EF0492.7020501@shaw.ca>

Are you using early or late binding.
 Set objWord = CreateObject("Word.Application")
or
 Set objWord =  New  Word.Application
Funny things may happen with early binding if newer versions of word  
installed and then uninstalled.

Kim Wiggins wrote:

>Hey everyone
>Hope all is well.  I am not.  I coded an automation report in VB6 using Word and it works fine on my work laptop and my laptop at home.  But when I install it on the users computer, it gives me the standard application error and shuts down.  It says "My_app_name has encountered an error and must close" and then it offers to send a report.  Well that is flooring me because it runs in the development environment on both machines just fine.  
>Can anyone think of anything that I am missing or overlooking?
>Thanks
>Kim
>
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From accessd666 at yahoo.com  Tue Aug  2 01:25:38 2005
From: accessd666 at yahoo.com (Sad Der)
Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 23:25:38 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] PassThrough (Creation/ Modification) Issues
Message-ID: <20050802062538.54680.qmail@web31611.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi group,

I've created a passthrough query. I searched the
Microsoft MSDN site and found several nice pieces of
code (see below). I modified them a bit for my
personal use.

I noticed the following:
- The 'ModifyQuery' works like a charm. It alters the
PTQ like it should and displays the records
accordingly.
- The 'CreatePassThroughQry'created a PTQ but I do not
see it in the database container. Where is it? When I
try to use the newly created PTQ as a recordsource it
does not display any records.
(I want to use the CreatePassThroughQry sub in my
multiuser environment!)

Does anybody know why the CreatePassThroughQry sub
does not work and why it does not show up in the
database container? The newly created query does show
when I loop the ADOX views!?

Url:
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dnacc2k/html/adocreateq.asp
Regards,

SD
-------------------------------------
Public Sub ModifyQuery(strDBPath As String, _
                strQryName As String, _
                strSQL As String)
   Dim catDB As ADOX.Catalog
   Dim cmd   As ADODB.Command
   
   Set catDB = New ADOX.Catalog
   ' Open the Catalog object.
   'catDB.ActiveConnection =
"Provider=Microsoft.Jet.OLEDB.4.0;" & _
      "Data Source=" & strDBPath
   catDB.ActiveConnection = CurrentProject.Connection
   
   Set cmd = New ADODB.Command
   ' Get the query from the Procedures collection.
   Set cmd = catDB.Procedures(strQryName).Command
   
   ' Update the query's SQL statement.
   cmd.CommandText = strSQL
   
   'Save the updated query.
   Set catDB.Procedures(strQryName).Command = cmd
   
   Set catDB = Nothing
End Sub

Public Function CreatePassThroughQry(strSQL As String,
_
                         strODBCConnect As String) As
String
   Dim catDB   As ADOX.Catalog
   Dim cmd     As ADODB.Command
   Dim varProp As Variant
   Dim strQryName As String
   Dim oGeninf As cGenInf
   Set oGeninf = New cGenInf
   
   Set catDB = New ADOX.Catalog
   ' Open the Catalog object.
   catDB.ActiveConnection = CurrentProject.Connection
   

   Set cmd = New ADODB.Command
   ' Define SQL statement for query and set
provider-specific
   ' properties for query type and ODBC connection
string.
   With cmd
      .ActiveConnection = catDB.ActiveConnection
      .CommandText = strSQL
      .Properties("Jet OLEDB:ODBC Pass-Through
Statement") = True
      .Properties("Jet OLEDB:Pass Through Query
Connect String") = strODBCConnect
   End With
   
   strQryName = oGeninf.UserName & Format(Now(),
"_hhmmss") & "_tmp"
   ' Name and save query to Procedures collection.
   catDB.Procedures.Append strQryName, cmd
   CreatePassThroughQry = strQryName
   Set catDB = Nothing
End Function

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Aug  2 06:31:20 2005
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2005 07:31:20 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: ICE - In Case of Emergency
In-Reply-To: <200508020433.j724XtR20165@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <003e01c59755$b4d80f00$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

Plus, ICE information could include your name, allergies, medical conditions
etc.  It doesn't have to be just phone numbers to call, though it should
include that.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jeff
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 12:34 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] OT: ICE - In Case of Emergency



The ambulance service here said just today they will start training all
their employees to specifically look for this...so I guess it is all about
where you live...Of course, if _I_ come upon an accident scene, guess what I
am going to look for...

Better safe than sorry...

Jeff

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Liz Doering [mailto:ldoering at symphonyinfo.com] 
Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 9:44 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Fw: ICE - In Case of Emergency

This is probably OT, but my husband the paramedic was doubtful that ICE
would be helpful.  IF your phone makes it all the way to the emergency room
with you and IF you are otherwise unidentified,  then ER people might find
it helpful.  But paramedics are more concerned with you and your injuries
than with who you want notified.



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
dmcafee at pacbell.net
Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 3:46 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Fw: ICE - In Case of Emergency

My sister in law just sent me this last week too. What's funny is I've
always added "Home" to my address book not only for that reason but if an
honest person ever found my lost cell phone.

oh, and try to carry ID at all times ;)

D

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Eget
Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 1:08 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Fw: ICE - In Case of Emergency


I put an underscore in front of my _ICE and also have _ICE1, _ICE2, and
_IC#3

Subject: ICE - In Case of Emergency


http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/news/wabc_072605_icecellphone.html



Just wanted to share some good info if it's ever needed.



Mark


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From bhorn at pivot-mds.com  Tue Aug  2 07:21:59 2005
From: bhorn at pivot-mds.com (Bruce Horn)
Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2005 08:21:59 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] PERL to ASP project
Message-ID: <6.2.3.4.0.20050802081139.02897490@pop.business.earthlink.net>

Hello List -

We  have a couple of projects that require PERL to ASP expertise for 
one of our clients.
The immediate project is to complete the transition of the client's 
web presence from UNIX to Windows Server platform.

If anyone is interested please contact me off-list for more details.

Regards,
- Bruce Horn

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From prodevmg at yahoo.com  Tue Aug  2 07:35:00 2005
From: prodevmg at yahoo.com (Lonnie Johnson)
Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 05:35:00 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Writing to an excel file
Message-ID: <20050802123500.12109.qmail@web33104.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I have a recordset that I would like to write as rows in an excel spreadsheet. 
 
I want to start on a certain line. 
 
The columns are already predefined and match my recordset. 
 
This will run each month so it will need to overwrite the prior month's data.
 
What is the best way to go about this?



May God bless you beyond your imagination!
Lonnie Johnson
ProDev, Professional Development of MS Access Databases
Visit me at ==> http://www.prodev.us





 





		
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From vrm at tim-cms.com  Tue Aug  2 08:58:49 2005
From: vrm at tim-cms.com (| Marcel Vreuls)
Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 15:58:49 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Writing to an excel file
In-Reply-To: <20050802123500.12109.qmail@web33104.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <005501c5976a$4f2acde0$6c61fea9@GALAXY.local>

Lonnie,

I use the following function for all export to XL. The sql string you can
replace with query, SP or sql string with header information. The
objProgress is a progressbar you can replace with your own one.

Public Function fncExportNaarExcel(strSQL As String)
On Error Resume Next
 'ivm het eventueel niet aanwezig zijn van de exporteren query

    If strSQL = "" Or IsNull(strSQL) Then
        MsgBox "Er kunnen geen gegevens gevonden worden", vbInformation,
OopMsgboxHeader
        Exit Function
        Else

        Dim objProgress As New clsProgress
        Dim daodatabase As DAO.database
        Set daodatabase = CurrentDb()

        objProgress.ShowProgress
        objProgress.TextMsg = "Collect data..."

        daodatabase.QueryDefs.Delete ("Exporteren")

        objProgress.TextMsg = "Exporteren data..."

        daodatabase.CreateQueryDef "Exporteren", strSQL

        objProgress.TextMsg = "Start Microsoft Excel..."

        DoCmd.OutputTo acOutputQuery, "Exporteren", acFormatXLS,
"c:\export.xls", True

        objProgress.HideProgress

        Set objProgress = Nothing
    End If

   Exit Function

End function

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Lonnie Johnson
Sent: dinsdag 2 augustus 2005 14:35
To: AccessD solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Writing to an excel file


I have a recordset that I would like to write as rows in an excel
spreadsheet.

I want to start on a certain line.

The columns are already predefined and match my recordset.

This will run each month so it will need to overwrite the prior month's
data.

What is the best way to go about this?



May God bless you beyond your imagination!
Lonnie Johnson
ProDev, Professional Development of MS Access Databases
Visit me at ==> http://www.prodev.us












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From vrm at tim-cms.com  Tue Aug  2 09:13:25 2005
From: vrm at tim-cms.com (| Marcel Vreuls)
Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 16:13:25 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Problems with word Automation
In-Reply-To: <20050801221743.27831.qmail@web53609.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <008801c5976c$594b81f0$6c61fea9@GALAXY.local>

Kim,

I had the same experience once. This was because of early binding problem
(direct crash of the app) and a different office version (reason why). I had
office 97 on my development envirnment. This all works fine. on the client
machine it crashes. Due to the fact that de client had office 2000 or
higher. I fixed it with delivering the word 97 OLB with the application
because i would not make a seperate version of my app for each office
version.

Built in proper logging with the debug option. It should give you a lot of
information.



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Kim Wiggins
Sent: dinsdag 2 augustus 2005 0:18
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Problems with word Automation


Hey everyone
Hope all is well.  I am not.  I coded an automation report in VB6 using Word
and it works fine on my work laptop and my laptop at home.  But when I
install it on the users computer, it gives me the standard application error
and shuts down.  It says "My_app_name has encountered an error and must
close" and then it offers to send a report.  Well that is flooring me
because it runs in the development environment on both machines just fine.
Can anyone think of anything that I am missing or overlooking?
Thanks
Kim


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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Aug  2 09:25:35 2005
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2005 16:25:35 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Writing to an excel file
Message-ID: <s2ef9e88.019@cactus.dk>

Hi Lonnie

If you fill in the same amount of rows it should be quite easy:

1. In the worksheet, create a Named Range covering the rows and columns
you write to.
2. Attach (link) that Named Range as a table in Access as, say,
xlsMonthData.
3. In Access, use an update query to update the table xlsMonthData.

If you write in fewer records (rows) than already filled, it is
slightly more complicated as you cannot delete the excessive rows;
you'll have to erase the table field by field by a double loop in VBA
which nulls out field by field, row by row before you run the update
query. 

Of course, if you prefer, you can use VBA also to update the table
avoiding the update query.

/gustav

>>> prodevmg at yahoo.com 08/02 2:35 pm >>>
I have a recordset that I would like to write as rows in an excel
spreadsheet. 
 
I want to start on a certain line. 
 
The columns are already predefined and match my recordset. 
 
This will run each month so it will need to overwrite the prior month's
data.
 
What is the best way to go about this?



From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com  Tue Aug  2 09:33:23 2005
From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 10:33:23 -0400 
Subject: [AccessD] Writing to an excel file
Message-ID: <1D7828CDB8350747AFE9D69E0E90DA1F13D6DF89@xlivmbx21.aig.com>

I think the simplest way for you to handle this is to define a Named Range
inside the Excel file which includes the column names and the rows to which
you will want to write data.

That done you can then go through the menu choices File/Get External
Date/Link Tables and select the Excel file as your source. Then in the link
table dialog check the 'Show Named Ranged' option and choose the range you
defined. On the next screen hit the 'First Row Contains Column Headings'
check box, and you are done. The range now shows up as a linked table and
you can write to it using VBA. 

It seems you cannot just use append queries as that would require adding
rows to the worksheet. So you get an error stating that the 'Spreadsheet is
full'.

However VBA works just fine. Here is some code I just threw together that
does the trick...

Sub WriteExcel()
Dim db As DAO.Database
Dim rs As DAO.Recordset
Dim rsout As DAO.Recordset
Dim n As Long
    Set db = CurrentDb
    Set rs = db.OpenRecordset("testQry", dbOpenDynaset)
	' testQry is just a simple select query that returns the correct
	' number of columns for this test. i.e. the name number as the named
range has.
    Set rsout = db.OpenRecordset("Excel_Sheet_Area", dbOpenDynaset)
	' Excel_Sheet_Area is a linked 'table' that uses a named range in
the spreadsheet
	' to ensure the data is written to the correct starting row. 
	' The range covers X columns and all the rows from the start row to
the end
	' of the worksheet.

    rsout.MoveFirst
    rs.MoveFirst
    With rs
        While Not .EOF
            rsout.Edit
		' I don't care about the field names as the query has the
right number
		' of columns. So I just write out the data accessing it via
the field number.
            For n = 0 To rsout.Fields.Count - 1
                rsout.Fields(n) = .Fields(n)
            Next n
            rsout.Update
            rsout.MoveNext
            .MoveNext
        Wend
    End With
    rsout.Close
    rs.Close
    Set rs = Nothing
    Set rsout = Nothing
    Set db = Nothing
End Sub

Lambert

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lonnie Johnson
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 8:35 AM
To: AccessD solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Writing to an excel file


I have a recordset that I would like to write as rows in an excel
spreadsheet. 
 
I want to start on a certain line. 
 
The columns are already predefined and match my recordset. 
 
This will run each month so it will need to overwrite the prior month's
data.
 
What is the best way to go about this?



May God bless you beyond your imagination!
Lonnie Johnson
ProDev, Professional Development of MS Access Databases
Visit me at ==> http://www.prodev.us





 





		
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From ssharkins at bellsouth.net  Tue Aug  2 09:40:09 2005
From: ssharkins at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 10:40:09 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] PassThrough (Creation/ Modification) Issues
In-Reply-To: <20050802062538.54680.qmail@web31611.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20050802144012.UGPX3975.ibm66aec.bellsouth.net@SUSANONE>

The most likely reason is that the code doesn't comply with the data source.
Remember, a pass-thru isn't necessarily Jet SQL -- it's whatever the source
requires. 

Susan H. 

Hi group,

I've created a passthrough query. I searched the Microsoft MSDN site and
found several nice pieces of code (see below). I modified them a bit for my
personal use.

I noticed the following:
- The 'ModifyQuery' works like a charm. It alters the PTQ like it should and
displays the records accordingly.
- The 'CreatePassThroughQry'created a PTQ but I do not see it in the
database container. Where is it? When I try to use the newly created PTQ as
a recordsource it does not display any records.
(I want to use the CreatePassThroughQry sub in my multiuser environment!)

Does anybody know why the CreatePassThroughQry sub does not work and why it
does not show up in the database container? The newly created query does
show when I loop the ADOX views!?

Url:
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dnacc2k/htm
l/adocreateq.asp
Regards,

SD
-------------------------------------
Public Sub ModifyQuery(strDBPath As String, _
                strQryName As String, _
                strSQL As String)
   Dim catDB As ADOX.Catalog
   Dim cmd   As ADODB.Command
   
   Set catDB = New ADOX.Catalog
   ' Open the Catalog object.
   'catDB.ActiveConnection =
"Provider=Microsoft.Jet.OLEDB.4.0;" & _
      "Data Source=" & strDBPath
   catDB.ActiveConnection = CurrentProject.Connection
   
   Set cmd = New ADODB.Command
   ' Get the query from the Procedures collection.
   Set cmd = catDB.Procedures(strQryName).Command
   
   ' Update the query's SQL statement.
   cmd.CommandText = strSQL
   
   'Save the updated query.
   Set catDB.Procedures(strQryName).Command = cmd
   
   Set catDB = Nothing
End Sub

Public Function CreatePassThroughQry(strSQL As String, _
                         strODBCConnect As String) As String
   Dim catDB   As ADOX.Catalog
   Dim cmd     As ADODB.Command
   Dim varProp As Variant
   Dim strQryName As String
   Dim oGeninf As cGenInf
   Set oGeninf = New cGenInf
   
   Set catDB = New ADOX.Catalog
   ' Open the Catalog object.
   catDB.ActiveConnection = CurrentProject.Connection
   

   Set cmd = New ADODB.Command
   ' Define SQL statement for query and set provider-specific
   ' properties for query type and ODBC connection string.
   With cmd
      .ActiveConnection = catDB.ActiveConnection
      .CommandText = strSQL
      .Properties("Jet OLEDB:ODBC Pass-Through
Statement") = True
      .Properties("Jet OLEDB:Pass Through Query Connect String") =
strODBCConnect
   End With
   
   strQryName = oGeninf.UserName & Format(Now(),
"_hhmmss") & "_tmp"
   ' Name and save query to Procedures collection.
   catDB.Procedures.Append strQryName, cmd
   CreatePassThroughQry = strQryName
   Set catDB = Nothing
End Function

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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Tue Aug  2 10:09:11 2005
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (DWUTKA at marlow.com)
Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 10:09:11 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Error 550
Message-ID: <123701F54509D9119A4F00D0B747349016DB94@main2.marlow.com>

I see.  Okay, so they have a problem with THEIR smtp setup.  They may not be
setup as a mail forwarder, which means when you send email to yourself, you
are hitting their smtp server, and it is accepting email for it's domain,
but when you are trying to send mail to another server, it refuses, because
then it has to 'forward' your email.  Most mailservers won't forward,
without authentication, do you use a name and password in your smtp setup?

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 5:13 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Error 550


Mail.colbyconsulting.com is on the server of my hosting company.

John W. Colby
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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of DWUTKA at marlow.com
Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 11:09 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Error 550


Ok.  Didn't catch that the first time.  Is mail.colbyconsulting.com 'local'?
I mean, is it residing where you are at, or is it the mail server of your
hosting company?

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2005 12:31 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Error 550


Yea, but it is more than that.  If I just send a test message to myself, it
just goes.  A few minutes later it comes back in just fine.  If I send to
one of these other places, it INSTANTLY gets this 550 error in my inbox.  If
I then change from using mail.colbyconsulting.com as the smtp server address
to the "local" smtp address (RR address) it goes out just fine.  So it is
not a case of "we don't like this destination".  It is just forcing me to
send through their mail server, but NOT when sending to my own mail server.
Truly odd don't you think?

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of DWUTKA at marlow.com
Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2005 12:51 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Error 550


It depends on how they have THEIR mail server setup.  With the onslaught of
spam, a lot of mail servers get down right finicky on what it will let
through.  I know my personal domain is/was blocked on several mail servers
because the IP's in my domain were listed as dynamic, instead of static,
which they WERE static.  If the domain of the email you are sending 'from'
doesn't match the IP's sending the mail, that's another big 'block'.  Then
there are several 'black lists' on the web, which store domains considered
to be spam.

Honestly, it's an issue that is a sore point for me (both spam, and the
methods used to block).  

Drew

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From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2005 11:43 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; Tech - Database
Advisors Inc.
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Error 550


Does anyone understand what is going on with email sent from inside of
specific networks.  Here's the situation...

I get the following error (as an example):

Your message did not reach some or all of the intended recipients.

      Subject:	RE: Logging in to George
      Sent:	7/29/2005 1:00 PM

The following recipient(s) could not be reached:

      'Jason Ralph' on 7/29/2005 1:00 PM
            550 not local host invohealthcare.com, not a gateway

>From my sister-in-law's house when I try to send to this specific
>address,
using SMPT server mail.colbyconsulting.com.  If I send mail to myself I do
not get this problem (to jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com).  I have seen this
exact same symptom if sending from my client.  It never happened before from
my sister-in-law's but is now.

It turns out that if I look at her email smtp server
(mail.rochester.rr.com), and modify my smtp server to match it works.  It
appears that this is the classic port 25 blocking thing.  It is a royal PITA
to have to find out what the correct smtp server is, modify Outlook, and
send to that whenever I move from place to place.

At my previous host for MY WEB SITE, they had me set up to send on a
different port (26 maybe?) and then it worked regardless of where I was
since only port 25 was being blocked and my web email server
(mail.colbyconsulting.com) was expecting traffic on a different port.

The odd part here is that I can send to myself (always), i.e.
jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com.  That must go on port 25 as well, so why does
that go just fine, but not the other message?

John W. Colby
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From jimdettman at earthlink.net  Tue Aug  2 10:17:18 2005
From: jimdettman at earthlink.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 11:17:18 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] PassThrough (Creation/ Modification) Issues
In-Reply-To: <20050802062538.54680.qmail@web31611.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <NDEALJOEGMMPCDKIFGNFKEIAEGAA.jimdettman@earthlink.net>

SD,

<<Does anybody know why the CreatePassThroughQry sub
does not work and why it does not show up in the
database container?>>

 Read the first paragraph of the link you posted (the one that says
"Important"<g>).

Jim.

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Sad Der
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 2:26 AM
To: Acces User Group
Subject: [AccessD] PassThrough (Creation/ Modification) Issues


Hi group,

I've created a passthrough query. I searched the
Microsoft MSDN site and found several nice pieces of
code (see below). I modified them a bit for my
personal use.

I noticed the following:
- The 'ModifyQuery' works like a charm. It alters the
PTQ like it should and displays the records
accordingly.
- The 'CreatePassThroughQry'created a PTQ but I do not
see it in the database container. Where is it? When I
try to use the newly created PTQ as a recordsource it
does not display any records.
(I want to use the CreatePassThroughQry sub in my
multiuser environment!)

Does anybody know why the CreatePassThroughQry sub
does not work and why it does not show up in the
database container? The newly created query does show
when I loop the ADOX views!?

Url:
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dnacc2k/htm
l/adocreateq.asp
Regards,

SD
-------------------------------------
Public Sub ModifyQuery(strDBPath As String, _
                strQryName As String, _
                strSQL As String)
   Dim catDB As ADOX.Catalog
   Dim cmd   As ADODB.Command

   Set catDB = New ADOX.Catalog
   ' Open the Catalog object.
   'catDB.ActiveConnection =
"Provider=Microsoft.Jet.OLEDB.4.0;" & _
      "Data Source=" & strDBPath
   catDB.ActiveConnection = CurrentProject.Connection

   Set cmd = New ADODB.Command
   ' Get the query from the Procedures collection.
   Set cmd = catDB.Procedures(strQryName).Command

   ' Update the query's SQL statement.
   cmd.CommandText = strSQL

   'Save the updated query.
   Set catDB.Procedures(strQryName).Command = cmd

   Set catDB = Nothing
End Sub

Public Function CreatePassThroughQry(strSQL As String,
_
                         strODBCConnect As String) As
String
   Dim catDB   As ADOX.Catalog
   Dim cmd     As ADODB.Command
   Dim varProp As Variant
   Dim strQryName As String
   Dim oGeninf As cGenInf
   Set oGeninf = New cGenInf

   Set catDB = New ADOX.Catalog
   ' Open the Catalog object.
   catDB.ActiveConnection = CurrentProject.Connection


   Set cmd = New ADODB.Command
   ' Define SQL statement for query and set
provider-specific
   ' properties for query type and ODBC connection
string.
   With cmd
      .ActiveConnection = catDB.ActiveConnection
      .CommandText = strSQL
      .Properties("Jet OLEDB:ODBC Pass-Through
Statement") = True
      .Properties("Jet OLEDB:Pass Through Query
Connect String") = strODBCConnect
   End With

   strQryName = oGeninf.UserName & Format(Now(),
"_hhmmss") & "_tmp"
   ' Name and save query to Procedures collection.
   catDB.Procedures.Append strQryName, cmd
   CreatePassThroughQry = strQryName
   Set catDB = Nothing
End Function

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From Rich_Lavsa at pghcorning.com  Tue Aug  2 10:28:21 2005
From: Rich_Lavsa at pghcorning.com (Lavsa, Rich)
Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 11:28:21 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] PassThrough (Creation/ Modification) Issues
Message-ID: <2A261FF9D5EBCA46940C11688CE872EE026C9D3D@goexchange2.pghcorning.com>

I get the idea of what you are trying to do but I'm not sure what you
are trying to accomplish.  

I have a very similar routine "ModifyQuery", that I use to alter a
"Template" or "Standard" PTQ.  I can dynamically create a sql statement
in its correct syntax Oracle, TSQL, or JET then alter the appropriate
PTQ to insert the correct sql to execute.  

At that point you can call your report, ListBox, Forms, Queries..
whatever, which then looks at your dynamically altered PTQ.  But again I
am not sure what you are trying to do.  If you are trying to be neat and
clean, I'd suggest keeping a Template or Standard PTQ as it will retain
all the connection info in it once built then all you need to do is
alter the SQL Statemtent and you are good to go.  But again I'm guessing
on your end result.

Rich

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 10:40 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] PassThrough (Creation/ Modification) Issues


The most likely reason is that the code doesn't comply with the data
source. Remember, a pass-thru isn't necessarily Jet SQL -- it's whatever
the source requires. 

Susan H. 

Hi group,

I've created a passthrough query. I searched the Microsoft MSDN site and
found several nice pieces of code (see below). I modified them a bit for
my personal use.

I noticed the following:
- The 'ModifyQuery' works like a charm. It alters the PTQ like it should
and displays the records accordingly.
- The 'CreatePassThroughQry'created a PTQ but I do not see it in the
database container. Where is it? When I try to use the newly created PTQ
as a recordsource it does not display any records. (I want to use the
CreatePassThroughQry sub in my multiuser environment!)

Does anybody know why the CreatePassThroughQry sub does not work and why
it does not show up in the database container? The newly created query
does show when I loop the ADOX views!?

Url:
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dnacc2k
/htm
l/adocreateq.asp
Regards,

SD
-------------------------------------
Public Sub ModifyQuery(strDBPath As String, _
                strQryName As String, _
                strSQL As String)
   Dim catDB As ADOX.Catalog
   Dim cmd   As ADODB.Command
   
   Set catDB = New ADOX.Catalog
   ' Open the Catalog object.
   'catDB.ActiveConnection = "Provider=Microsoft.Jet.OLEDB.4.0;" & _
      "Data Source=" & strDBPath
   catDB.ActiveConnection = CurrentProject.Connection
   
   Set cmd = New ADODB.Command
   ' Get the query from the Procedures collection.
   Set cmd = catDB.Procedures(strQryName).Command
   
   ' Update the query's SQL statement.
   cmd.CommandText = strSQL
   
   'Save the updated query.
   Set catDB.Procedures(strQryName).Command = cmd
   
   Set catDB = Nothing
End Sub

Public Function CreatePassThroughQry(strSQL As String, _
                         strODBCConnect As String) As String
   Dim catDB   As ADOX.Catalog
   Dim cmd     As ADODB.Command
   Dim varProp As Variant
   Dim strQryName As String
   Dim oGeninf As cGenInf
   Set oGeninf = New cGenInf
   
   Set catDB = New ADOX.Catalog
   ' Open the Catalog object.
   catDB.ActiveConnection = CurrentProject.Connection
   

   Set cmd = New ADODB.Command
   ' Define SQL statement for query and set provider-specific
   ' properties for query type and ODBC connection string.
   With cmd
      .ActiveConnection = catDB.ActiveConnection
      .CommandText = strSQL
      .Properties("Jet OLEDB:ODBC Pass-Through
Statement") = True
      .Properties("Jet OLEDB:Pass Through Query Connect String") =
strODBCConnect
   End With
   
   strQryName = oGeninf.UserName & Format(Now(),
"_hhmmss") & "_tmp"
   ' Name and save query to Procedures collection.
   catDB.Procedures.Append strQryName, cmd
   CreatePassThroughQry = strQryName
   Set catDB = Nothing
End Function

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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Tue Aug  2 10:30:45 2005
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (DWUTKA at marlow.com)
Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 10:30:45 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] Writing to an excel file
Message-ID: <123701F54509D9119A4F00D0B747349016DB96@main2.marlow.com>

Do you want to start on the second line?  You can treat Excel as a recordset
with ADO.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Lonnie Johnson [mailto:prodevmg at yahoo.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 7:35 AM
To: AccessD solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Writing to an excel file


I have a recordset that I would like to write as rows in an excel
spreadsheet. 
 
I want to start on a certain line. 
 
The columns are already predefined and match my recordset. 
 
This will run each month so it will need to overwrite the prior month's
data.
 
What is the best way to go about this?



May God bless you beyond your imagination!
Lonnie Johnson
ProDev, Professional Development of MS Access Databases
Visit me at ==> http://www.prodev.us





 





		
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From kimjwiggins at yahoo.com  Tue Aug  2 10:35:29 2005
From: kimjwiggins at yahoo.com (Kim Wiggins)
Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 08:35:29 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Problems with word Automation
In-Reply-To: <42EF0492.7020501@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <20050802153529.41110.qmail@web53604.mail.yahoo.com>

I am using 
Set objWord = CreateObject("Word.Application")

Do you think that could be the problem?
Kim
 

MartyConnelly <martyconnelly at shaw.ca> wrote:
Are you using early or late binding.
Set objWord = CreateObject("Word.Application")
or
Set objWord = New Word.Application
Funny things may happen with early binding if newer versions of word 
installed and then uninstalled.

Kim Wiggins wrote:

>Hey everyone
>Hope all is well. I am not. I coded an automation report in VB6 using Word and it works fine on my work laptop and my laptop at home. But when I install it on the users computer, it gives me the standard application error and shuts down. It says "My_app_name has encountered an error and must close" and then it offers to send a report. Well that is flooring me because it runs in the development environment on both machines just fine. 
>Can anyone think of anything that I am missing or overlooking?
>Thanks
>Kim
>
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue Aug  2 10:40:23 2005
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 08:40:23 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Runtime Vs Full Access Install
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86873B6B@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Any confusion is probably in mixing issues of MDE/MDB and runtime.  The
two have nothing to do with each other.  The runtime includes the dlls
and licenses required to run an Access database without any particular
version of Access installed.  An MDE is a form of MDB that no longer
contains any code and does not allow some operations, regardless of
whether it is run using a runtime for full installed Access.  Does that
clear up the confusion?

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Kath Pelletti [mailto:KP at sdsonline.net] 
Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 6:05 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Runtime Vs Full Access Install


William - maybe I have misunderstood. I thought that by including all
dll's (or other files referred to in the vba references)  in the runtime
install package, that it could then be standalone. By that I mean that
it would run regardless of whether the user had (any version of Access)
or not, as it is a packaged entity. 

Have I got that wrong? (And I am assuming using Sage / Wise)

Kath


----- Original Message ----- 
  From: William Hindman 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
  Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 3:26 PM
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Runtime Vs Full Access Install


  ..hhhmmm ...either I'm misreading you or there is a fundamental 
  misunderstanding somewhere in here ...a runtime mdb/mde is exactly the
same 
  as a full install mdb/mde ...the difference is that Access itself is
not 
  fully installed in a runtime ...the design/coding elements are not
there so 
  a user can't change anything ...it runs exactly as you designed it to
run.

  ..if you have an A97 mdb and an A2k runtime it should still run as
long as 
  the references are there ...but the reverse is not true ...so I use
startup 
  code to check the installed version and call the corresponding fe
mdb/mde.

  ..if you invest in the wise install tools, they handle those issues
much 
  better than the native Access distribution tools do and the default is
to 
  let them do all the work for you.

  William

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From kimjwiggins at yahoo.com  Tue Aug  2 10:40:23 2005
From: kimjwiggins at yahoo.com (Kim Wiggins)
Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 08:40:23 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Problems with word Automation
In-Reply-To: <008801c5976c$594b81f0$6c61fea9@GALAXY.local>
Message-ID: <20050802154023.63301.qmail@web53602.mail.yahoo.com>

Thanks so much. I thought that it had something to do with that.  Did you then use late binding instead of early binding in that instance?  How can I tell which OLB to use with the version of word they have?  The OLB I used was Word 10.0 Object.  That was the only one available in my references on my version of VB6.  

| Marcel Vreuls <vrm at tim-cms.com> wrote:Kim,

I had the same experience once. This was because of early binding problem
(direct crash of the app) and a different office version (reason why). I had
office 97 on my development envirnment. This all works fine. on the client
machine it crashes. Due to the fact that de client had office 2000 or
higher. I fixed it with delivering the word 97 OLB with the application
because i would not make a seperate version of my app for each office
version.

Built in proper logging with the debug option. It should give you a lot of
information.



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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Kim Wiggins
Sent: dinsdag 2 augustus 2005 0:18
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Problems with word Automation


Hey everyone
Hope all is well. I am not. I coded an automation report in VB6 using Word
and it works fine on my work laptop and my laptop at home. But when I
install it on the users computer, it gives me the standard application error
and shuts down. It says "My_app_name has encountered an error and must
close" and then it offers to send a report. Well that is flooring me
because it runs in the development environment on both machines just fine.
Can anyone think of anything that I am missing or overlooking?
Thanks
Kim


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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue Aug  2 10:41:59 2005
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 08:41:59 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Fw: ICE - In Case of Emergency
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86873B6C@infoserver01.infostat.local>

I wear a medic-alert bracelet.  They're already trained to check that
and it has a phone number to access my emergency information as well as
my medical history.  I think that's more useful.

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Liz Doering [mailto:ldoering at symphonyinfo.com] 
Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 8:44 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Fw: ICE - In Case of Emergency


This is probably OT, but my husband the paramedic was doubtful that ICE
would be helpful.  IF your phone makes it all the way to the emergency
room with you and IF you are otherwise unidentified,  then ER people
might find it helpful.  But paramedics are more concerned with you and
your injuries than with who you want notified.



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
dmcafee at pacbell.net
Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 3:46 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Fw: ICE - In Case of Emergency

My sister in law just sent me this last week too. What's funny is I've
always added "Home" to my address book not only for that reason but if
an honest person ever found my lost cell phone.

oh, and try to carry ID at all times ;)

D

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Eget
Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 1:08 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Fw: ICE - In Case of Emergency


I put an underscore in front of my _ICE and also have _ICE1, _ICE2, and
_IC#3

Subject: ICE - In Case of Emergency


http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/news/wabc_072605_icecellphone.html



Just wanted to share some good info if it's ever needed.



Mark


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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue Aug  2 10:47:20 2005
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 08:47:20 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Runtime Vs Full Access Install
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86873B6D@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Then you're very fortunate to have that much control, William, but I
must disagree with you.  Your runtime files are NOT dependent on how the
user does an Access install unless you unwisely (no pun intended)
install the runtime in a generic location where it can be easily mucked
up.  We install the runtime files in their own directory and have not
run into any collisions with installed versions of Access, either before
or after the installation of the runtime.  We've been doing this for
years through multiple versions of Access (and Windows), so I think you
can say it is time tested.  

The only real issue with runtime and full install on the same machine is
that you MUST start the application using a shortcut that specifically
points to the runtime executable or Windows will try to load the last
full version of Access to open the database, whether or not it is
appropriate.

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: William Hindman [mailto:dejpolsys at hotmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 8:53 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Runtime Vs Full Access Install


Kath ...afaik the runtime is a "package" at install only ...but if a
user 
subsequently installs full Access ...any version ...all bets are off
because 
your runtime files integrity is dependent upon how the user does the
install 
..a "default" install will screw your runtime more often than not
because 
it defaults to removing older file versions, even if they are needed by
your 
runtime ...Wise/Sage won't block that type of problem from happening
either 
but when you reinstall your runtime they will handle the concurrent full

version issues for you.

..I work with no full Access installs allowed on client systems with the

exception of developer dedicated workstations ...and no "office"
upgrades 
either even if they don't include Access, except by me ...the latter
because 
the office vba modules share some common parts with Access vba.

..but I'll be the first to admit that most developers don't have that
type 
of control over their app runtime environments and there may well be
other, 
better ways to deal with it ...I just find that keeping it clean makes
my 
life a lot simpler and my clients with a lot fewer problems.

William

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From: "Kath Pelletti" <KP at sdsonline.net>
To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 9:04 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Runtime Vs Full Access Install


William - maybe I have misunderstood. I thought that by including all
dll's 
(or other files referred to in the vba references)  in the runtime
install 
package, that it could then be standalone. By that I mean that it would
run 
regardless of whether the user had (any version of Access) or not, as it
is 
a packaged entity.

Have I got that wrong? (And I am assuming using Sage / Wise)

Kath


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  Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 3:26 PM
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Runtime Vs Full Access Install


  ..hhhmmm ...either I'm misreading you or there is a fundamental
  misunderstanding somewhere in here ...a runtime mdb/mde is exactly the

same
  as a full install mdb/mde ...the difference is that Access itself is
not
  fully installed in a runtime ...the design/coding elements are not
there 
so
  a user can't change anything ...it runs exactly as you designed it to
run.

  ..if you have an A97 mdb and an A2k runtime it should still run as
long as
  the references are there ...but the reverse is not true ...so I use 
startup
  code to check the installed version and call the corresponding fe
mdb/mde.

  ..if you invest in the wise install tools, they handle those issues
much
  better than the native Access distribution tools do and the default is
to
  let them do all the work for you.

  William

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From prodevmg at yahoo.com  Tue Aug  2 10:47:16 2005
From: prodevmg at yahoo.com (Lonnie Johnson)
Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 08:47:16 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Writing to an excel file
In-Reply-To: <123701F54509D9119A4F00D0B747349016DB96@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <20050802154717.23267.qmail@web33101.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I got it to work! With a little bit from here and a little from there this is what I am doing...
 
    On Error GoTo ErrControl
    
    DoCmd.SetWarnings False
    
    Dim db As DAO.Database
    Dim rs As DAO.Recordset 'records to be sent to the excel sheet
    Dim rsStatus As DAO.Recordset 'a list of all the statuses
    Dim qry As DAO.QueryDef 'used to define the query for the recordset we need to send to excel
    Dim strSQL As String 'used to hold the fields for exporting to excel
    Dim tabName As String 'the name of the tab in excel and the name of the query to export
    Dim outputFile As String 'destination excel file
    Dim monthlyCopy As String 'used to create a monthly copy of the file
    Dim i As Integer 'counter used to determine a new line in excel
    
    Set db = CurrentDb
    
    'select fields for excel sheet
    strSQL = "SELECT LNAME, FNAME, KAECSESID, [FROM], [TO], [PROCEDURE CODE], " _
            & "[DIAGNOSIS CODE], [UNIT RATE], UNITS, EXTENSION, [AUTHORIZATION NUMBER] " _
            & "FROM qryStandardBillingForm "
            
    'destination
    outputFile = "I:\DEPTDATA\BILLING FORM\BillingForm.xls"
    
    'open the excel spreadsheet
    Set xlsApp = CreateObject("Excel.Application")
    xlsApp.Visible = True
    xlsApp.UserControl = True
    xlsApp.Workbooks.Open (outputFile)
    
    '**************************************************************************************
    'Create HOSP tab of the excel spread sheet
    
    tabName = "HOSP"
    
    Set qry = db.CreateQueryDef(tabName, strSQL _
            & " WHERE PLCTYPE = 'HOSP' ORDER BY LNAME, FNAME")
    
    'select the appropriate tab
    Set xlsWSheet = xlsApp.Worksheets(tabName)
    xlsWSheet.Activate
    
    'select range to be cleared and clear it
    xlsApp.Range("A10:K65536").Select
    xlsApp.Selection.ClearContents
    
    'get records for the tab from our newly made query
    Set rs = db.OpenRecordset(tabName)
    
    i = 10 'set counter to the line of our excel worksheet where I want it to start writing
    
    Do Until rs.EOF
    
        xlsApp.ActiveSheet.Range("A" & i).Value = rs("LNAME")
        xlsApp.ActiveSheet.Range("B" & i).Value = rs("FNAME")
        xlsApp.ActiveSheet.Range("C" & i).Value = rs("KAECSESID")
        xlsApp.ActiveSheet.Range("D" & i).Value = rs("FROM")
        xlsApp.ActiveSheet.Range("E" & i).Value = rs("TO")
        xlsApp.ActiveSheet.Range("F" & i).Value = rs("PROCEDURE CODE")
        xlsApp.ActiveSheet.Range("G" & i).Value = rs("DIAGNOSIS CODE")
        xlsApp.ActiveSheet.Range("H" & i).Value = rs("UNIT RATE")
        xlsApp.ActiveSheet.Range("I" & i).Value = rs("UNITS")
        xlsApp.ActiveSheet.Range("J" & i).Value = rs("EXTENSION")
        xlsApp.ActiveSheet.Range("K" & i).Value = rs("AUTHORIZATION NUMBER")
        
        i = i + 1
    
    rs.MoveNext
    Loop
                                         
    DoCmd.DeleteObject acQuery, tabName 'trash the temporary query
    '**************************************************************************************
    

DWUTKA at marlow.com wrote:
Do you want to start on the second line? You can treat Excel as a recordset
with ADO.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 7:35 AM
To: AccessD solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Writing to an excel file


I have a recordset that I would like to write as rows in an excel
spreadsheet. 

I want to start on a certain line. 

The columns are already predefined and match my recordset. 

This will run each month so it will need to overwrite the prior month's
data.

What is the best way to go about this?



May God bless you beyond your imagination!
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue Aug  2 10:49:00 2005
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 08:49:00 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT: ICE - In Case of Emergency
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86873B6E@infoserver01.infostat.local>

I repeat, Medic Alert, John.  That is specifically what it is for.

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 4:31 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: ICE - In Case of Emergency


Plus, ICE information could include your name, allergies, medical
conditions etc.  It doesn't have to be just phone numbers to call,
though it should include that.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jeff
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 12:34 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] OT: ICE - In Case of Emergency



The ambulance service here said just today they will start training all
their employees to specifically look for this...so I guess it is all
about where you live...Of course, if _I_ come upon an accident scene,
guess what I am going to look for...

Better safe than sorry...

Jeff

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Liz Doering [mailto:ldoering at symphonyinfo.com] 
Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 9:44 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Fw: ICE - In Case of Emergency

This is probably OT, but my husband the paramedic was doubtful that ICE
would be helpful.  IF your phone makes it all the way to the emergency
room with you and IF you are otherwise unidentified,  then ER people
might find it helpful.  But paramedics are more concerned with you and
your injuries than with who you want notified.



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
dmcafee at pacbell.net
Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 3:46 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Fw: ICE - In Case of Emergency

My sister in law just sent me this last week too. What's funny is I've
always added "Home" to my address book not only for that reason but if
an honest person ever found my lost cell phone.

oh, and try to carry ID at all times ;)

D

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Eget
Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 1:08 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Fw: ICE - In Case of Emergency


I put an underscore in front of my _ICE and also have _ICE1, _ICE2, and
_IC#3

Subject: ICE - In Case of Emergency


http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/news/wabc_072605_icecellphone.html



Just wanted to share some good info if it's ever needed.



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From ldoering at symphonyinfo.com  Tue Aug  2 11:28:15 2005
From: ldoering at symphonyinfo.com (Liz Doering)
Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 11:28:15 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: ICE - In Case of Emergency
Message-ID: <855499653F55AD4190B242717DF132BC083027@dewey.Symphony.local>

Medics would agree. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 11:01 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: ICE - In Case of Emergency

I repeat, Medic Alert, John.  That is specifically what it is for.

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 4:31 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: ICE - In Case of Emergency


Plus, ICE information could include your name, allergies, medical
conditions etc.  It doesn't have to be just phone numbers to call,
though it should include that.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jeff
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 12:34 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] OT: ICE - In Case of Emergency



The ambulance service here said just today they will start training all
their employees to specifically look for this...so I guess it is all
about where you live...Of course, if _I_ come upon an accident scene,
guess what I am going to look for...

Better safe than sorry...

Jeff

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Liz Doering [mailto:ldoering at symphonyinfo.com] 
Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 9:44 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Fw: ICE - In Case of Emergency

This is probably OT, but my husband the paramedic was doubtful that ICE
would be helpful.  IF your phone makes it all the way to the emergency
room with you and IF you are otherwise unidentified,  then ER people
might find it helpful.  But paramedics are more concerned with you and
your injuries than with who you want notified.



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
dmcafee at pacbell.net
Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 3:46 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Fw: ICE - In Case of Emergency

My sister in law just sent me this last week too. What's funny is I've
always added "Home" to my address book not only for that reason but if
an honest person ever found my lost cell phone.

oh, and try to carry ID at all times ;)

D

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Eget
Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 1:08 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Fw: ICE - In Case of Emergency


I put an underscore in front of my _ICE and also have _ICE1, _ICE2, and
_IC#3

Subject: ICE - In Case of Emergency


http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/news/wabc_072605_icecellphone.html



Just wanted to share some good info if it's ever needed.



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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue Aug  2 11:43:06 2005
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 09:43:06 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT: ICE - In Case of Emergency
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86873B70@infoserver01.infostat.local>

And the batteries never give out! <VBG>

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Liz Doering [mailto:ldoering at symphonyinfo.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 9:28 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: ICE - In Case of Emergency


Medics would agree. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 11:01 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: ICE - In Case of Emergency

I repeat, Medic Alert, John.  That is specifically what it is for.

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 4:31 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: ICE - In Case of Emergency


Plus, ICE information could include your name, allergies, medical
conditions etc.  It doesn't have to be just phone numbers to call,
though it should include that.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jeff
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 12:34 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] OT: ICE - In Case of Emergency



The ambulance service here said just today they will start training all
their employees to specifically look for this...so I guess it is all
about where you live...Of course, if _I_ come upon an accident scene,
guess what I am going to look for...

Better safe than sorry...

Jeff

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Liz Doering [mailto:ldoering at symphonyinfo.com] 
Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 9:44 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Fw: ICE - In Case of Emergency

This is probably OT, but my husband the paramedic was doubtful that ICE
would be helpful.  IF your phone makes it all the way to the emergency
room with you and IF you are otherwise unidentified,  then ER people
might find it helpful.  But paramedics are more concerned with you and
your injuries than with who you want notified.



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
dmcafee at pacbell.net
Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 3:46 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Fw: ICE - In Case of Emergency

My sister in law just sent me this last week too. What's funny is I've
always added "Home" to my address book not only for that reason but if
an honest person ever found my lost cell phone.

oh, and try to carry ID at all times ;)

D

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Eget
Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 1:08 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Fw: ICE - In Case of Emergency


I put an underscore in front of my _ICE and also have _ICE1, _ICE2, and
_IC#3

Subject: ICE - In Case of Emergency


http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/news/wabc_072605_icecellphone.html



Just wanted to share some good info if it's ever needed.



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From Developer at UltraDNT.com  Tue Aug  2 12:00:09 2005
From: Developer at UltraDNT.com (Steve Conklin (Developer@UltraDNT))
Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 13:00:09 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Runtime Vs Full Access Install
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86873B6D@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <003801c59783$a71af980$640fa8c0@CONKEY2000>

I agree with Charlotte, and have been using the same methods for a long
time.  I   do a runtime package for any mdb that I deliver, even the
user has/will use full Access, to ensure that everything, MSCOMCTL and
anything else DLL or OCX-wise, all goes in the application's folder, so
I don't have to worry about any upgraded components in \system32 or
anywhere else.

But I late-bind my Office calls to avoid problems with versioning; I
don't know the answer to Kath's original question concerning Front Page
calls.  Does Access runtime packager include the Office type-libs if
they are called in the application? I don't know - we can provide Access
apps to users w/o Access, but can we do a mail-merge if they don't have
Word? (doubt it)  Further, Front Page was pushed out of Office in ver.
2003,  I don't know if that has any baring on the answer or not.

Maybe late-binding the FP call, and trapping for "Object not created" is
the best answer regardless.


Just my .02,
Steve


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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 11:47 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Runtime Vs Full Access Install


Then you're very fortunate to have that much control, William, but I
must disagree with you.  Your runtime files are NOT dependent on how the
user does an Access install unless you unwisely (no pun intended)
install the runtime in a generic location where it can be easily mucked
up.  We install the runtime files in their own directory and have not
run into any collisions with installed versions of Access, either before
or after the installation of the runtime.  We've been doing this for
years through multiple versions of Access (and Windows), so I think you
can say it is time tested.  

The only real issue with runtime and full install on the same machine is
that you MUST start the application using a shortcut that specifically
points to the runtime executable or Windows will try to load the last
full version of Access to open the database, whether or not it is
appropriate.

Charlotte Foust


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From: William Hindman [mailto:dejpolsys at hotmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 8:53 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Runtime Vs Full Access Install


Kath ...afaik the runtime is a "package" at install only ...but if a
user 
subsequently installs full Access ...any version ...all bets are off
because 
your runtime files integrity is dependent upon how the user does the
install 
..a "default" install will screw your runtime more often than not
because 
it defaults to removing older file versions, even if they are needed by
your 
runtime ...Wise/Sage won't block that type of problem from happening
either 
but when you reinstall your runtime they will handle the concurrent full

version issues for you.

..I work with no full Access installs allowed on client systems with the

exception of developer dedicated workstations ...and no "office"
upgrades 
either even if they don't include Access, except by me ...the latter
because 
the office vba modules share some common parts with Access vba.

..but I'll be the first to admit that most developers don't have that
type 
of control over their app runtime environments and there may well be
other, 
better ways to deal with it ...I just find that keeping it clean makes
my 
life a lot simpler and my clients with a lot fewer problems.

William

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From: "Kath Pelletti" <KP at sdsonline.net>
To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 9:04 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Runtime Vs Full Access Install


William - maybe I have misunderstood. I thought that by including all
dll's 
(or other files referred to in the vba references)  in the runtime
install 
package, that it could then be standalone. By that I mean that it would
run 
regardless of whether the user had (any version of Access) or not, as it
is 
a packaged entity.

Have I got that wrong? (And I am assuming using Sage / Wise)

Kath


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  From: William Hindman
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
  Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 3:26 PM
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Runtime Vs Full Access Install


  ..hhhmmm ...either I'm misreading you or there is a fundamental
  misunderstanding somewhere in here ...a runtime mdb/mde is exactly the

same
  as a full install mdb/mde ...the difference is that Access itself is
not
  fully installed in a runtime ...the design/coding elements are not
there 
so
  a user can't change anything ...it runs exactly as you designed it to
run.

  ..if you have an A97 mdb and an A2k runtime it should still run as
long as
  the references are there ...but the reverse is not true ...so I use 
startup
  code to check the installed version and call the corresponding fe
mdb/mde.

  ..if you invest in the wise install tools, they handle those issues
much
  better than the native Access distribution tools do and the default is
to
  let them do all the work for you.

  William

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue Aug  2 12:07:45 2005
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 10:07:45 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Runtime Vs Full Access Install
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86873B71@infoserver01.infostat.local>

The package can only include redistributable libraries.  I have no idea
whether the FP dlls are redistributable, but if they are not, then they
can't be included in the package, period.  In general, the libraries for
other Office apps are not redistributable.

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Conklin (Developer at UltraDNT) [mailto:Developer at ultradnt.com]

Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 10:00 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Runtime Vs Full Access Install


I agree with Charlotte, and have been using the same methods for a long
time.  I   do a runtime package for any mdb that I deliver, even the
user has/will use full Access, to ensure that everything, MSCOMCTL and
anything else DLL or OCX-wise, all goes in the application's folder, so
I don't have to worry about any upgraded components in \system32 or
anywhere else.

But I late-bind my Office calls to avoid problems with versioning; I
don't know the answer to Kath's original question concerning Front Page
calls.  Does Access runtime packager include the Office type-libs if
they are called in the application? I don't know - we can provide Access
apps to users w/o Access, but can we do a mail-merge if they don't have
Word? (doubt it)  Further, Front Page was pushed out of Office in ver.
2003,  I don't know if that has any baring on the answer or not.

Maybe late-binding the FP call, and trapping for "Object not created" is
the best answer regardless.


Just my .02,
Steve


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 11:47 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Runtime Vs Full Access Install


Then you're very fortunate to have that much control, William, but I
must disagree with you.  Your runtime files are NOT dependent on how the
user does an Access install unless you unwisely (no pun intended)
install the runtime in a generic location where it can be easily mucked
up.  We install the runtime files in their own directory and have not
run into any collisions with installed versions of Access, either before
or after the installation of the runtime.  We've been doing this for
years through multiple versions of Access (and Windows), so I think you
can say it is time tested.  

The only real issue with runtime and full install on the same machine is
that you MUST start the application using a shortcut that specifically
points to the runtime executable or Windows will try to load the last
full version of Access to open the database, whether or not it is
appropriate.

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: William Hindman [mailto:dejpolsys at hotmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 8:53 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Runtime Vs Full Access Install


Kath ...afaik the runtime is a "package" at install only ...but if a
user 
subsequently installs full Access ...any version ...all bets are off
because 
your runtime files integrity is dependent upon how the user does the
install 
..a "default" install will screw your runtime more often than not
because 
it defaults to removing older file versions, even if they are needed by
your 
runtime ...Wise/Sage won't block that type of problem from happening
either 
but when you reinstall your runtime they will handle the concurrent full

version issues for you.

..I work with no full Access installs allowed on client systems with the

exception of developer dedicated workstations ...and no "office"
upgrades 
either even if they don't include Access, except by me ...the latter
because 
the office vba modules share some common parts with Access vba.

..but I'll be the first to admit that most developers don't have that
type 
of control over their app runtime environments and there may well be
other, 
better ways to deal with it ...I just find that keeping it clean makes
my 
life a lot simpler and my clients with a lot fewer problems.

William

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kath Pelletti" <KP at sdsonline.net>
To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 9:04 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Runtime Vs Full Access Install


William - maybe I have misunderstood. I thought that by including all
dll's 
(or other files referred to in the vba references)  in the runtime
install 
package, that it could then be standalone. By that I mean that it would
run 
regardless of whether the user had (any version of Access) or not, as it
is 
a packaged entity.

Have I got that wrong? (And I am assuming using Sage / Wise)

Kath


----- Original Message ----- 
  From: William Hindman
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
  Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 3:26 PM
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Runtime Vs Full Access Install


  ..hhhmmm ...either I'm misreading you or there is a fundamental
  misunderstanding somewhere in here ...a runtime mdb/mde is exactly the

same
  as a full install mdb/mde ...the difference is that Access itself is
not
  fully installed in a runtime ...the design/coding elements are not
there 
so
  a user can't change anything ...it runs exactly as you designed it to
run.

  ..if you have an A97 mdb and an A2k runtime it should still run as
long as
  the references are there ...but the reverse is not true ...so I use 
startup
  code to check the installed version and call the corresponding fe
mdb/mde.

  ..if you invest in the wise install tools, they handle those issues
much
  better than the native Access distribution tools do and the default is
to
  let them do all the work for you.

  William

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From dejpolsys at hotmail.com  Tue Aug  2 12:38:13 2005
From: dejpolsys at hotmail.com (William Hindman)
Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 13:38:13 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Runtime Vs Full Access Install
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86873B6D@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <BAY103-DAV7701AFAD0922831E17C63AEC20@phx.gbl>

..hhhmmm ...the default runtime install using the Access ODE is to the same 
directory as a full install ...and that includes the WinSys32 directory 
..since I no longer allow full Access installs I've had no need to use Wise 
..installing the runtime to a different directory certainly makes sense but 
that would still leave the dlls and ocx's in the sys32 exposed unless Wise 
puts the alias' in the registry, something the ms runtime wizard certainly 
won't do.

..even with a runtime in a different directory and with aliased references, 
an A2k3 full install will ask if the user wants to remove previous versions 
and if the user oks it, will promptly remove an older runtime ...but then I 
suspect Wise has a way around that as well ...the long and short of it being 
that if you can't control the environment then Wise is a necessity, not a 
convenience.

..as with anything, you live and learn ...I'm an independent ...I don't 
need to and therefore don't take on clients that don't want to do it my way 
..makes my life much less complicated ...I don't envy anyone forced to deal 
with client controlled application environments ...especially notwork dba's 
on steroids who don't know their own jobs, much less mine ...been there, 
done that and like pissing into the wind, it doesn't take a repeat to know 
better.

..hope all this hasn't left Kath more confused :)

William

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 11:47 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Runtime Vs Full Access Install


> Then you're very fortunate to have that much control, William, but I
> must disagree with you.  Your runtime files are NOT dependent on how the
> user does an Access install unless you unwisely (no pun intended)
> install the runtime in a generic location where it can be easily mucked
> up.  We install the runtime files in their own directory and have not
> run into any collisions with installed versions of Access, either before
> or after the installation of the runtime.  We've been doing this for
> years through multiple versions of Access (and Windows), so I think you
> can say it is time tested.
>
> The only real issue with runtime and full install on the same machine is
> that you MUST start the application using a shortcut that specifically
> points to the runtime executable or Windows will try to load the last
> full version of Access to open the database, whether or not it is
> appropriate.
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: William Hindman [mailto:dejpolsys at hotmail.com]
> Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 8:53 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Runtime Vs Full Access Install
>
>
> Kath ...afaik the runtime is a "package" at install only ...but if a
> user
> subsequently installs full Access ...any version ...all bets are off
> because
> your runtime files integrity is dependent upon how the user does the
> install
> ..a "default" install will screw your runtime more often than not
> because
> it defaults to removing older file versions, even if they are needed by
> your
> runtime ...Wise/Sage won't block that type of problem from happening
> either
> but when you reinstall your runtime they will handle the concurrent full
>
> version issues for you.
>
> ..I work with no full Access installs allowed on client systems with the
>
> exception of developer dedicated workstations ...and no "office"
> upgrades
> either even if they don't include Access, except by me ...the latter
> because
> the office vba modules share some common parts with Access vba.
>
> ..but I'll be the first to admit that most developers don't have that
> type
> of control over their app runtime environments and there may well be
> other,
> better ways to deal with it ...I just find that keeping it clean makes
> my
> life a lot simpler and my clients with a lot fewer problems.
>
> William
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Kath Pelletti" <KP at sdsonline.net>
> To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 9:04 PM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Runtime Vs Full Access Install
>
>
> William - maybe I have misunderstood. I thought that by including all
> dll's
> (or other files referred to in the vba references)  in the runtime
> install
> package, that it could then be standalone. By that I mean that it would
> run
> regardless of whether the user had (any version of Access) or not, as it
> is
> a packaged entity.
>
> Have I got that wrong? (And I am assuming using Sage / Wise)
>
> Kath
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
>  From: William Hindman
>  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>  Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 3:26 PM
>  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Runtime Vs Full Access Install
>
>
>  ..hhhmmm ...either I'm misreading you or there is a fundamental
>  misunderstanding somewhere in here ...a runtime mdb/mde is exactly the
>
> same
>  as a full install mdb/mde ...the difference is that Access itself is
> not
>  fully installed in a runtime ...the design/coding elements are not
> there
> so
>  a user can't change anything ...it runs exactly as you designed it to
> run.
>
>  ..if you have an A97 mdb and an A2k runtime it should still run as
> long as
>  the references are there ...but the reverse is not true ...so I use
> startup
>  code to check the installed version and call the corresponding fe
> mdb/mde.
>
>  ..if you invest in the wise install tools, they handle those issues
> much
>  better than the native Access distribution tools do and the default is
> to
>  let them do all the work for you.
>
>  William
>
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From dejpolsys at hotmail.com  Tue Aug  2 12:47:56 2005
From: dejpolsys at hotmail.com (William Hindman)
Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 13:47:56 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Fw: ICE - In Case of Emergency
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86873B6C@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <BAY103-DAV1651329E268192808D0B1FAEC20@phx.gbl>

Charlotte

..medic alert bracelets serve a certain purpose quite well, but most of us 
don't need or wear one ...ICE has a single purpose which is to tell the 
people trying to notify your next of kin just exactly who YOU want notified 
and how to do it using your own cell phone, which most of us do "wear" in 
one fashion or another :)

..while its true that you can become separated from your cell phone in such 
an emergency, most don't ...and even if you do, you're no worse off than if 
you didn't program the ICE numbers in the first place ...the paramedics and 
police around here are certainly promoting its use.

William

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 11:41 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Fw: ICE - In Case of Emergency


>I wear a medic-alert bracelet.  They're already trained to check that
> and it has a phone number to access my emergency information as well as
> my medical history.  I think that's more useful.
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Liz Doering [mailto:ldoering at symphonyinfo.com]
> Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 8:44 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Fw: ICE - In Case of Emergency
>
>
> This is probably OT, but my husband the paramedic was doubtful that ICE
> would be helpful.  IF your phone makes it all the way to the emergency
> room with you and IF you are otherwise unidentified,  then ER people
> might find it helpful.  But paramedics are more concerned with you and
> your injuries than with who you want notified.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> dmcafee at pacbell.net
> Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 3:46 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Fw: ICE - In Case of Emergency
>
> My sister in law just sent me this last week too. What's funny is I've
> always added "Home" to my address book not only for that reason but if
> an honest person ever found my lost cell phone.
>
> oh, and try to carry ID at all times ;)
>
> D
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Eget
> Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 1:08 PM
> To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Fw: ICE - In Case of Emergency
>
>
> I put an underscore in front of my _ICE and also have _ICE1, _ICE2, and
> _IC#3
>
> Subject: ICE - In Case of Emergency
>
>
> http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/news/wabc_072605_icecellphone.html
>
>
>
> Just wanted to share some good info if it's ever needed.
>
>
>
> Mark
>
>
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue Aug  2 13:02:44 2005
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 11:02:44 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Runtime Vs Full Access Install
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8689A707@infoserver01.infostat.local>

The packaging wizard in all its versions has been a pathetic installer.
It gave you no choice as to where the dlls (or pretty much anything else
except the mdb itself) were installed.  Wise and InstallShield have far
greater flexibility and SageKey makes them hum.  Actually, as I recall
pretty much *every* version of Office has asked if you want to remove
the previous version, including the runtime, so that isn't peculiar to
2003 and it's something the client either have to be warned about, or
you have to say, "Look, dummy, you broke it.  Now reinstall my
application from your CD." ;-}

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: William Hindman [mailto:dejpolsys at hotmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 10:38 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Runtime Vs Full Access Install


..hhhmmm ...the default runtime install using the Access ODE is to the
same 
directory as a full install ...and that includes the WinSys32 directory 
..since I no longer allow full Access installs I've had no need to use
Wise 
..installing the runtime to a different directory certainly makes sense
but 
that would still leave the dlls and ocx's in the sys32 exposed unless
Wise 
puts the alias' in the registry, something the ms runtime wizard
certainly 
won't do.

..even with a runtime in a different directory and with aliased
references, 
an A2k3 full install will ask if the user wants to remove previous
versions 
and if the user oks it, will promptly remove an older runtime ...but
then I 
suspect Wise has a way around that as well ...the long and short of it
being 
that if you can't control the environment then Wise is a necessity, not
a 
convenience.

..as with anything, you live and learn ...I'm an independent ...I don't 
need to and therefore don't take on clients that don't want to do it my
way 
..makes my life much less complicated ...I don't envy anyone forced to
deal 
with client controlled application environments ...especially notwork
dba's 
on steroids who don't know their own jobs, much less mine ...been there,

done that and like pissing into the wind, it doesn't take a repeat to
know 
better.

..hope all this hasn't left Kath more confused :)

William

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 11:47 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Runtime Vs Full Access Install


> Then you're very fortunate to have that much control, William, but I 
> must disagree with you.  Your runtime files are NOT dependent on how 
> the user does an Access install unless you unwisely (no pun intended) 
> install the runtime in a generic location where it can be easily 
> mucked up.  We install the runtime files in their own directory and 
> have not run into any collisions with installed versions of Access, 
> either before or after the installation of the runtime.  We've been 
> doing this for years through multiple versions of Access (and 
> Windows), so I think you can say it is time tested.
>
> The only real issue with runtime and full install on the same machine 
> is that you MUST start the application using a shortcut that 
> specifically points to the runtime executable or Windows will try to 
> load the last full version of Access to open the database, whether or 
> not it is appropriate.
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: William Hindman [mailto:dejpolsys at hotmail.com]
> Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 8:53 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Runtime Vs Full Access Install
>
>
> Kath ...afaik the runtime is a "package" at install only ...but if a 
> user subsequently installs full Access ...any version ...all bets are 
> off because
> your runtime files integrity is dependent upon how the user does the
> install
> ..a "default" install will screw your runtime more often than not
> because
> it defaults to removing older file versions, even if they are needed
by
> your
> runtime ...Wise/Sage won't block that type of problem from happening
> either
> but when you reinstall your runtime they will handle the concurrent
full
>
> version issues for you.
>
> ..I work with no full Access installs allowed on client systems with 
> the
>
> exception of developer dedicated workstations ...and no "office" 
> upgrades either even if they don't include Access, except by me ...the

> latter because
> the office vba modules share some common parts with Access vba.
>
> ..but I'll be the first to admit that most developers don't have that 
> type of control over their app runtime environments and there may well

> be other,
> better ways to deal with it ...I just find that keeping it clean makes
> my
> life a lot simpler and my clients with a lot fewer problems.
>
> William
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Kath Pelletti" <KP at sdsonline.net>
> To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 9:04 PM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Runtime Vs Full Access Install
>
>
> William - maybe I have misunderstood. I thought that by including all 
> dll's (or other files referred to in the vba references)  in the 
> runtime install
> package, that it could then be standalone. By that I mean that it
would
> run
> regardless of whether the user had (any version of Access) or not, as
it
> is
> a packaged entity.
>
> Have I got that wrong? (And I am assuming using Sage / Wise)
>
> Kath
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>  From: William Hindman
>  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>  Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 3:26 PM
>  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Runtime Vs Full Access Install
>
>
>  ..hhhmmm ...either I'm misreading you or there is a fundamental  
> misunderstanding somewhere in here ...a runtime mdb/mde is exactly the
>
> same
>  as a full install mdb/mde ...the difference is that Access itself is 
> not  fully installed in a runtime ...the design/coding elements are 
> not there
> so
>  a user can't change anything ...it runs exactly as you designed it to
> run.
>
>  ..if you have an A97 mdb and an A2k runtime it should still run as 
> long as  the references are there ...but the reverse is not true ...so

> I use startup
>  code to check the installed version and call the corresponding fe
> mdb/mde.
>
>  ..if you invest in the wise install tools, they handle those issues 
> much  better than the native Access distribution tools do and the 
> default is to
>  let them do all the work for you.
>
>  William
>
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue Aug  2 13:10:04 2005
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 11:10:04 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Fw: ICE - In Case of Emergency
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8689A709@infoserver01.infostat.local>

I'm not arguing against it, but unless you have a way to expose just
those numbers, it also means you can't lock your phone.  A lot of phones
only provide that lock-bypass functionality for a single register, or
sometimes that plus a 911-type emergency number.  Personally, I have the
police department number in that register on my phone, which won't help
emergency personnel.

True, most people don't wear medic alert bracelets, even those who
should.  It wouldn't be a bad idea if everyone who wears contact lenses
or has allergies or any other mild "condition" wore a bracelet.  It
would certainly simplify the lives of the EMTs, paramedics, and anyone
else dealing with an unconscious and unknown patient.

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: William Hindman [mailto:dejpolsys at hotmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 10:48 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Fw: ICE - In Case of Emergency


Charlotte

..medic alert bracelets serve a certain purpose quite well, but most of
us 
don't need or wear one ...ICE has a single purpose which is to tell the 
people trying to notify your next of kin just exactly who YOU want
notified 
and how to do it using your own cell phone, which most of us do "wear"
in 
one fashion or another :)

..while its true that you can become separated from your cell phone in
such 
an emergency, most don't ...and even if you do, you're no worse off than
if 
you didn't program the ICE numbers in the first place ...the paramedics
and 
police around here are certainly promoting its use.

William

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 11:41 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Fw: ICE - In Case of Emergency


>I wear a medic-alert bracelet.  They're already trained to check that  
>and it has a phone number to access my emergency information as well as

>my medical history.  I think that's more useful.
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Liz Doering [mailto:ldoering at symphonyinfo.com]
> Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 8:44 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Fw: ICE - In Case of Emergency
>
>
> This is probably OT, but my husband the paramedic was doubtful that 
> ICE would be helpful.  IF your phone makes it all the way to the 
> emergency room with you and IF you are otherwise unidentified,  then 
> ER people might find it helpful.  But paramedics are more concerned 
> with you and your injuries than with who you want notified.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> dmcafee at pacbell.net
> Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 3:46 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Fw: ICE - In Case of Emergency
>
> My sister in law just sent me this last week too. What's funny is I've

> always added "Home" to my address book not only for that reason but if

> an honest person ever found my lost cell phone.
>
> oh, and try to carry ID at all times ;)
>
> D
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Eget
> Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 1:08 PM
> To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Fw: ICE - In Case of Emergency
>
>
> I put an underscore in front of my _ICE and also have _ICE1, _ICE2, 
> and _IC#3
>
> Subject: ICE - In Case of Emergency
>
>
> http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/news/wabc_072605_icecellphone.html
>
>
>
> Just wanted to share some good info if it's ever needed.
>
>
>
> Mark
>
>
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From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com  Tue Aug  2 13:23:40 2005
From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 14:23:40 -0400 
Subject: [AccessD] Fw: ICE - In Case of Emergency
Message-ID: <1D7828CDB8350747AFE9D69E0E90DA1F13D6E0E7@xlivmbx21.aig.com>

As a proud non-cell phone user ( who *needs* them!) I would suggest a much
simpler, lo-tech solution: carry a card in you wallet, right next to your
kidney donor card. No privacy problems, no need for the EMT to know how to
bypass your phone security, no batteries required.

Lambert

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 2:10 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Fw: ICE - In Case of Emergency


I'm not arguing against it, but unless you have a way to expose just those
numbers, it also means you can't lock your phone.  A lot of phones only
provide that lock-bypass functionality for a single register, or sometimes
that plus a 911-type emergency number.  Personally, I have the police
department number in that register on my phone, which won't help emergency
personnel.

True, most people don't wear medic alert bracelets, even those who should.
It wouldn't be a bad idea if everyone who wears contact lenses or has
allergies or any other mild "condition" wore a bracelet.  It would certainly
simplify the lives of the EMTs, paramedics, and anyone else dealing with an
unconscious and unknown patient.

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: William Hindman [mailto:dejpolsys at hotmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 10:48 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Fw: ICE - In Case of Emergency


Charlotte

..medic alert bracelets serve a certain purpose quite well, but most of us 
don't need or wear one ...ICE has a single purpose which is to tell the 
people trying to notify your next of kin just exactly who YOU want notified 
and how to do it using your own cell phone, which most of us do "wear" in 
one fashion or another :)

..while its true that you can become separated from your cell phone in such 
an emergency, most don't ...and even if you do, you're no worse off than if 
you didn't program the ICE numbers in the first place ...the paramedics and 
police around here are certainly promoting its use.

William

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 11:41 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Fw: ICE - In Case of Emergency


>I wear a medic-alert bracelet.  They're already trained to check that
>and it has a phone number to access my emergency information as well as

>my medical history.  I think that's more useful.
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Liz Doering [mailto:ldoering at symphonyinfo.com]
> Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 8:44 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Fw: ICE - In Case of Emergency
>
>
> This is probably OT, but my husband the paramedic was doubtful that
> ICE would be helpful.  IF your phone makes it all the way to the 
> emergency room with you and IF you are otherwise unidentified,  then 
> ER people might find it helpful.  But paramedics are more concerned 
> with you and your injuries than with who you want notified.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> dmcafee at pacbell.net
> Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 3:46 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Fw: ICE - In Case of Emergency
>
> My sister in law just sent me this last week too. What's funny is I've

> always added "Home" to my address book not only for that reason but if

> an honest person ever found my lost cell phone.
>
> oh, and try to carry ID at all times ;)
>
> D
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Eget
> Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 1:08 PM
> To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Fw: ICE - In Case of Emergency
>
>
> I put an underscore in front of my _ICE and also have _ICE1, _ICE2,
> and _IC#3
>
> Subject: ICE - In Case of Emergency
>
>
> http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/news/wabc_072605_icecellphone.html
>
>
>
> Just wanted to share some good info if it's ever needed.
>
>
>
> Mark
>
>
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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Tue Aug  2 15:03:11 2005
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 21:03:11 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Fw: ICE - In Case of Emergency
In-Reply-To: <1D7828CDB8350747AFE9D69E0E90DA1F13D6E0E7@xlivmbx21.aig.com>
Message-ID: <002501c5979d$35e2e8d0$901b0c54@minster33c3r25>

I appreciate the seriousness of the issue but it still isn't Access and
neither is it Friday so, interesting as it is, would you please take this
thread to the OT list.

Many thanks.

-- Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 


> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Heenan, Lambert
> Sent: 02 August 2005 19:24
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Fw: ICE - In Case of Emergency
> 
> 
> As a proud non-cell phone user ( who *needs* them!) I would 
> suggest a much simpler, lo-tech solution: carry a card in you 
> wallet, right next to your kidney donor card. No privacy 
> problems, no need for the EMT to know how to bypass your 
> phone security, no batteries required.
> 
> Lambert
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Charlotte Foust
> Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 2:10 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Fw: ICE - In Case of Emergency
> 
> 
> I'm not arguing against it, but unless you have a way to 
> expose just those numbers, it also means you can't lock your 
> phone.  A lot of phones only provide that lock-bypass 
> functionality for a single register, or sometimes that plus a 
> 911-type emergency number.  Personally, I have the police 
> department number in that register on my phone, which won't 
> help emergency personnel.
> 
> True, most people don't wear medic alert bracelets, even 
> those who should. It wouldn't be a bad idea if everyone who 
> wears contact lenses or has allergies or any other mild 
> "condition" wore a bracelet.  It would certainly simplify the 
> lives of the EMTs, paramedics, and anyone else dealing with 
> an unconscious and unknown patient.
> 
> Charlotte Foust
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: William Hindman [mailto:dejpolsys at hotmail.com] 
> Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 10:48 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Fw: ICE - In Case of Emergency
> 
> 
> Charlotte
> 
> ..medic alert bracelets serve a certain purpose quite well, 
> but most of us 
> don't need or wear one ...ICE has a single purpose which is 
> to tell the 
> people trying to notify your next of kin just exactly who YOU 
> want notified 
> and how to do it using your own cell phone, which most of us 
> do "wear" in 
> one fashion or another :)
> 
> ..while its true that you can become separated from your cell 
> phone in such 
> an emergency, most don't ...and even if you do, you're no 
> worse off than if 
> you didn't program the ICE numbers in the first place ...the 
> paramedics and 
> police around here are certainly promoting its use.
> 
> William
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 11:41 AM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Fw: ICE - In Case of Emergency
> 
> 
> >I wear a medic-alert bracelet.  They're already trained to 
> check that 
> >and it has a phone number to access my emergency information 
> as well as
> 
> >my medical history.  I think that's more useful.
> >
> > Charlotte Foust
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Liz Doering [mailto:ldoering at symphonyinfo.com]
> > Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 8:44 PM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Fw: ICE - In Case of Emergency
> >
> >
> > This is probably OT, but my husband the paramedic was doubtful that 
> > ICE would be helpful.  IF your phone makes it all the way to the 
> > emergency room with you and IF you are otherwise 
> unidentified,  then 
> > ER people might find it helpful.  But paramedics are more concerned 
> > with you and your injuries than with who you want notified.
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> > dmcafee at pacbell.net
> > Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 3:46 PM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Fw: ICE - In Case of Emergency
> >
> > My sister in law just sent me this last week too. What's 
> funny is I've
> 
> > always added "Home" to my address book not only for that 
> reason but if
> 
> > an honest person ever found my lost cell phone.
> >
> > oh, and try to carry ID at all times ;)
> >
> > D
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Eget
> > Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 1:08 PM
> > To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: [AccessD] Fw: ICE - In Case of Emergency
> >
> >
> > I put an underscore in front of my _ICE and also have _ICE1, _ICE2, 
> > and _IC#3
> >
> > Subject: ICE - In Case of Emergency
> >
> >
> > http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/news/wabc_072605_icecellphone.html
> >
> >
> >
> > Just wanted to share some good info if it's ever needed.
> >
> >
> >
> > Mark
> >
> >
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From jmhecht at earthlink.net  Tue Aug  2 15:56:11 2005
From: jmhecht at earthlink.net (Joe Hecht)
Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 13:56:11 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Fw: ICE - In Case of Emergency
In-Reply-To: <00a401c596d5$3a3a8000$efc2f63f@Desktop>
Message-ID: <002401c597a4$9da9f880$6401a8c0@laptop1>

Urban legends
See Below
http://www.snopes.com/crime/prevent/icephone.asp

Joe Hecht
Los Angeles CA

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Eget
Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 1:08 PM
To: access at joe2.endjunk.com; AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Fw: ICE - In Case of Emergency

I put an underscore in front of my _ICE and also have _ICE1, _ICE2, and
_IC#3

Subject: ICE - In Case of Emergency


http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/news/wabc_072605_icecellphone.html

 

Just wanted to share some good info if it's ever needed.

 

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From csphoon at pc.jaring.my  Tue Aug  2 15:58:53 2005
From: csphoon at pc.jaring.my (Trisha Duke)
Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2005 21:58:53 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2000 creating MDE
Message-ID: <42EFDE8D.5040105@pc.jaring.my>

hi everyone,

Does anybody know why when i create a MDE file in Access 2000, it only 
allows me to save the file with a one character filename, eg A.MDE. Even 
if i change it to a full name , it still save as one character file 
name. I have completely reinstall access 2000. I can only assume it 
maybe a problem with winXP which i am using.

Regards,
Trisha



From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Tue Aug  2 16:20:48 2005
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2005 14:20:48 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Problems with word Automation
References: <20050802153529.41110.qmail@web53604.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <42EFE3B0.9010305@shaw.ca>

You are using late binding so you don't need any references set to Word, 
which maybe causing the problem
It might be useful to have a reference if using intellisense or looking 
at object browser
but you would remove the reference before deploying with late binding.
With late binding it will grab the highest version of word on the system
You might be  using  some esoteric part of word say using xml file 
routines that don't exist
in Word 97, so you may want to check the version of word running to 
avoid problems
with lower versions.

           On Error Resume Next
           ' grab word if already running
           Set objWord = GetObject(, "Word.Application")
           On Error GoTo 0
           ' or if word not already running error  Err.Number = 429 or 
set to nothing
           If objWord Is Nothing Then

                        Set objWord = CreateObject("Word.Application")
            Debug.Print objWord.Version

            '   if Word 97 SP2 then  Word Version= 8.0b
            ' Word 9 opens a separate window for each document.
            ' Prior to Word 9, all documents opened in the same window.
            End If


Kim Wiggins wrote:

>I am using 
>Set objWord = CreateObject("Word.Application")
>
>Do you think that could be the problem?
>Kim
> 
>
>MartyConnelly <martyconnelly at shaw.ca> wrote:
>Are you using early or late binding.
>Set objWord = CreateObject("Word.Application")
>or
>Set objWord = New Word.Application
>Funny things may happen with early binding if newer versions of word 
>installed and then uninstalled.
>
>Kim Wiggins wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Hey everyone
>>Hope all is well. I am not. I coded an automation report in VB6 using Word and it works fine on my work laptop and my laptop at home. But when I install it on the users computer, it gives me the standard application error and shuts down. It says "My_app_name has encountered an error and must close" and then it offers to send a report. Well that is flooring me because it runs in the development environment on both machines just fine. 
>>Can anyone think of anything that I am missing or overlooking?
>>Thanks
>>Kim
>>
>>
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>>
>>
>>    
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>
>  
>

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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Tue Aug  2 16:59:04 2005
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2005 07:59:04 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] PassThrough (Creation/ Modification) Issues
In-Reply-To: <NDEALJOEGMMPCDKIFGNFKEIAEGAA.jimdettman@earthlink.net>
References: <20050802062538.54680.qmail@web31611.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <42F07948.24207.EC24250@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

On 2 Aug 2005 at 11:17, Jim Dettman wrote:

> <<Does anybody know why the CreatePassThroughQry sub
> does not work and why it does not show up in the
> database container?>>
> 
>  Read the first paragraph of the link you posted (the one that says
> "Important"<g>).
> 

That's scary! Imagine trying to maintain an application that uses queries 
that you can't see once you have created them!



-- 
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From vrm at tim-cms.com  Tue Aug  2 17:41:14 2005
From: vrm at tim-cms.com (| Marcel Vreuls)
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 00:41:14 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Problems with word Automation
In-Reply-To: <20050802154023.63301.qmail@web53602.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <001001c597b3$4a0c2fe0$0100000a@GALAXY.local>

Kim, I used early binding with the error. But the fact is that early or late
binding does not solve your problem (IF this is the problem in your case).
It only gives errors in different stages within your application. With early
binding it occurs by startup. With late binding it occurs when you try to
create your word app with the createobject statement.

Msword8.olb  = Word 97
MSWORD9.OLB  = Word 2000
etc but you can check it by clicking with your right mouse button on the olb
file en check the version information

If you use Word 10.0 (office XP) and your client uses word 2000 you get an
error. It depends how your errorhandling is what your app will do. Crash,
write to log and crash, etc..etc..etc..


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Kim Wiggins
Sent: dinsdag 2 augustus 2005 17:40
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Problems with word Automation


Thanks so much. I thought that it had something to do with that.  Did you
then use late binding instead of early binding in that instance?  How can I
tell which OLB to use with the version of word they have?  The OLB I used
was Word 10.0 Object.  That was the only one available in my references on
my version of VB6.

| Marcel Vreuls <vrm at tim-cms.com> wrote:Kim,

I had the same experience once. This was because of early binding problem
(direct crash of the app) and a different office version (reason why). I had
office 97 on my development envirnment. This all works fine. on the client
machine it crashes. Due to the fact that de client had office 2000 or
higher. I fixed it with delivering the word 97 OLB with the application
because i would not make a seperate version of my app for each office
version.

Built in proper logging with the debug option. It should give you a lot of
information.



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Kim Wiggins
Sent: dinsdag 2 augustus 2005 0:18
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Problems with word Automation


Hey everyone
Hope all is well. I am not. I coded an automation report in VB6 using Word
and it works fine on my work laptop and my laptop at home. But when I
install it on the users computer, it gives me the standard application error
and shuts down. It says "My_app_name has encountered an error and must
close" and then it offers to send a report. Well that is flooring me
because it runs in the development environment on both machines just fine.
Can anyone think of anything that I am missing or overlooking?
Thanks
Kim


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From kimjwiggins at yahoo.com  Tue Aug  2 17:57:14 2005
From: kimjwiggins at yahoo.com (Kim Wiggins)
Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 15:57:14 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Problems with word Automation
In-Reply-To: <42EFE3B0.9010305@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <20050802225714.76759.qmail@web53604.mail.yahoo.com>

Thanks so much Marty and Marcel for helping me to understand this better.  This is my first attempt at automation.  Unfortunately, I will not see this user until Saturday so I can't test it out until then but I will let you know next week if everything went well. Thanks

MartyConnelly <martyconnelly at shaw.ca> wrote:You are using late binding so you don't need any references set to Word, 
which maybe causing the problem
It might be useful to have a reference if using intellisense or looking 
at object browser
but you would remove the reference before deploying with late binding.
With late binding it will grab the highest version of word on the system
You might be using some esoteric part of word say using xml file 
routines that don't exist
in Word 97, so you may want to check the version of word running to 
avoid problems
with lower versions.

On Error Resume Next
' grab word if already running
Set objWord = GetObject(, "Word.Application")
On Error GoTo 0
' or if word not already running error Err.Number = 429 or 
set to nothing
If objWord Is Nothing Then

Set objWord = CreateObject("Word.Application")
Debug.Print objWord.Version

' if Word 97 SP2 then Word Version= 8.0b
' Word 9 opens a separate window for each document.
' Prior to Word 9, all documents opened in the same window.
End If


Kim Wiggins wrote:

>I am using 
>Set objWord = CreateObject("Word.Application")
>
>Do you think that could be the problem?
>Kim
> 
>
>MartyConnelly wrote:
>Are you using early or late binding.
>Set objWord = CreateObject("Word.Application")
>or
>Set objWord = New Word.Application
>Funny things may happen with early binding if newer versions of word 
>installed and then uninstalled.
>
>Kim Wiggins wrote:
>
> 
>
>>Hey everyone
>>Hope all is well. I am not. I coded an automation report in VB6 using Word and it works fine on my work laptop and my laptop at home. But when I install it on the users computer, it gives me the standard application error and shuts down. It says "My_app_name has encountered an error and must close" and then it offers to send a report. Well that is flooring me because it runs in the development environment on both machines just fine. 
>>Can anyone think of anything that I am missing or overlooking?
>>Thanks
>>Kim
>>
>>
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From jeff at boyes.net  Tue Aug  2 18:06:19 2005
From: jeff at boyes.net (Jeff Boyes)
Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 17:06:19 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Fw: ICE - In Case of Emergency
In-Reply-To: <002401c597a4$9da9f880$6401a8c0@laptop1>
References: <00a401c596d5$3a3a8000$efc2f63f@Desktop>
	<002401c597a4$9da9f880$6401a8c0@laptop1>
Message-ID: <6348.192.25.240.225.1123023979.squirrel@boyes.net>

Actually, Joe...NOT an Urban Legend, as the link you provided proves.

Jeff



> Urban legends
> See Below
> http://www.snopes.com/crime/prevent/icephone.asp
>
> Joe Hecht
> Los Angeles CA
>


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Aug  2 18:54:05 2005
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2005 19:54:05 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Serv-U
Message-ID: <000401c597bd$7a9e6060$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

I am trying to get Serv-U FTP server going on my server here in my office.
The install was simple and just worked.  It works just fine inside of my
network, using ftp://192.168.122.106 (the server IP address) but I cannot
see it going out to the internet and coming back in.  I have a dlink 624 (I
think) router, in which I have forwarded ports 20 and 21 to 192.168.122.106.
I just cannot see the server, from my laptop, going out and back in.

One of my tech assists suggested that my ISP might be blocking port 20/21,
so I set up the server to look for the ftp at 59999 and then used :59999 at
the end to try and force contact at that port.  That does not work either.

Can anyone suggest how to test this thing, coming in from the outside?  If
anyone out there knows this stuff, and in particular has experience with
Serv-U, can you assist me in getting this working.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From KP at sdsonline.net  Tue Aug  2 19:05:34 2005
From: KP at sdsonline.net (Kath Pelletti)
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 10:05:34 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Runtime Vs Full Access Install
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8689A707@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <008c01c597bf$124d2300$6601a8c0@user>

Thanks everyone for this thread - I am taking from it the following:

- Use late binding for the reference to Frontpage regardless to solve situation where user may / may not have Frontpage installed.

- If distributing a runtime mde (app is already an mde) then include any dll's (and other files referenced by the app) that are redistributable in the package created by Sage / Wise.

- Have the runtime set up to install to a separate location to the standard Access install

- Use a specific shortcut to the runtime executable

Kath

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Charlotte Foust 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
  Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 4:02 AM
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] Runtime Vs Full Access Install


  The packaging wizard in all its versions has been a pathetic installer.
  It gave you no choice as to where the dlls (or pretty much anything else
  except the mdb itself) were installed.  Wise and InstallShield have far
  greater flexibility and SageKey makes them hum.  Actually, as I recall
  pretty much *every* version of Office has asked if you want to remove
  the previous version, including the runtime, so that isn't peculiar to
  2003 and it's something the client either have to be warned about, or
  you have to say, "Look, dummy, you broke it.  Now reinstall my
  application from your CD." ;-}

  Charlotte Foust


  -----Original Message-----
  From: William Hindman [mailto:dejpolsys at hotmail.com] 
  Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 10:38 AM
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Runtime Vs Full Access Install


  ..hhhmmm ...the default runtime install using the Access ODE is to the
  same 
  directory as a full install ...and that includes the WinSys32 directory 
  ..since I no longer allow full Access installs I've had no need to use
  Wise 
  ..installing the runtime to a different directory certainly makes sense
  but 
  that would still leave the dlls and ocx's in the sys32 exposed unless
  Wise 
  puts the alias' in the registry, something the ms runtime wizard
  certainly 
  won't do.

  ..even with a runtime in a different directory and with aliased
  references, 
  an A2k3 full install will ask if the user wants to remove previous
  versions 
  and if the user oks it, will promptly remove an older runtime ...but
  then I 
  suspect Wise has a way around that as well ...the long and short of it
  being 
  that if you can't control the environment then Wise is a necessity, not
  a 
  convenience.

  ..as with anything, you live and learn ...I'm an independent ...I don't 
  need to and therefore don't take on clients that don't want to do it my
  way 
  ..makes my life much less complicated ...I don't envy anyone forced to
  deal 
  with client controlled application environments ...especially notwork
  dba's 
  on steroids who don't know their own jobs, much less mine ...been there,

  done that and like pissing into the wind, it doesn't take a repeat to
  know 
  better.

  ..hope all this hasn't left Kath more confused :)

  William

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
  To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
  <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
  Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 11:47 AM
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] Runtime Vs Full Access Install


  > Then you're very fortunate to have that much control, William, but I 
  > must disagree with you.  Your runtime files are NOT dependent on how 
  > the user does an Access install unless you unwisely (no pun intended) 
  > install the runtime in a generic location where it can be easily 
  > mucked up.  We install the runtime files in their own directory and 
  > have not run into any collisions with installed versions of Access, 
  > either before or after the installation of the runtime.  We've been 
  > doing this for years through multiple versions of Access (and 
  > Windows), so I think you can say it is time tested.
  >
  > The only real issue with runtime and full install on the same machine 
  > is that you MUST start the application using a shortcut that 
  > specifically points to the runtime executable or Windows will try to 
  > load the last full version of Access to open the database, whether or 
  > not it is appropriate.
  >
  > Charlotte Foust
  >
  >
  > -----Original Message-----
  > From: William Hindman [mailto:dejpolsys at hotmail.com]
  > Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 8:53 PM
  > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
  > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Runtime Vs Full Access Install
  >
  >
  > Kath ...afaik the runtime is a "package" at install only ...but if a 
  > user subsequently installs full Access ...any version ...all bets are 
  > off because
  > your runtime files integrity is dependent upon how the user does the
  > install
  > ..a "default" install will screw your runtime more often than not
  > because
  > it defaults to removing older file versions, even if they are needed
  by
  > your
  > runtime ...Wise/Sage won't block that type of problem from happening
  > either
  > but when you reinstall your runtime they will handle the concurrent
  full
  >
  > version issues for you.
  >
  > ..I work with no full Access installs allowed on client systems with 
  > the
  >
  > exception of developer dedicated workstations ...and no "office" 
  > upgrades either even if they don't include Access, except by me ...the

  > latter because
  > the office vba modules share some common parts with Access vba.
  >
  > ..but I'll be the first to admit that most developers don't have that 
  > type of control over their app runtime environments and there may well

  > be other,
  > better ways to deal with it ...I just find that keeping it clean makes
  > my
  > life a lot simpler and my clients with a lot fewer problems.
  >
  > William
  >
  > ----- Original Message -----
  > From: "Kath Pelletti" <KP at sdsonline.net>
  > To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
  > Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 9:04 PM
  > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Runtime Vs Full Access Install
  >
  >
  > William - maybe I have misunderstood. I thought that by including all 
  > dll's (or other files referred to in the vba references)  in the 
  > runtime install
  > package, that it could then be standalone. By that I mean that it
  would
  > run
  > regardless of whether the user had (any version of Access) or not, as
  it
  > is
  > a packaged entity.
  >
  > Have I got that wrong? (And I am assuming using Sage / Wise)
  >
  > Kath
  >
  >
  > ----- Original Message -----
  >  From: William Hindman
  >  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
  >  Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 3:26 PM
  >  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Runtime Vs Full Access Install
  >
  >
  >  ..hhhmmm ...either I'm misreading you or there is a fundamental  
  > misunderstanding somewhere in here ...a runtime mdb/mde is exactly the
  >
  > same
  >  as a full install mdb/mde ...the difference is that Access itself is 
  > not  fully installed in a runtime ...the design/coding elements are 
  > not there
  > so
  >  a user can't change anything ...it runs exactly as you designed it to
  > run.
  >
  >  ..if you have an A97 mdb and an A2k runtime it should still run as 
  > long as  the references are there ...but the reverse is not true ...so

  > I use startup
  >  code to check the installed version and call the corresponding fe
  > mdb/mde.
  >
  >  ..if you invest in the wise install tools, they handle those issues 
  > much  better than the native Access distribution tools do and the 
  > default is to
  >  let them do all the work for you.
  >
  >  William
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From ebarro at afsweb.com  Tue Aug  2 19:07:39 2005
From: ebarro at afsweb.com (Eric Barro)
Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 17:07:39 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Serv-U
In-Reply-To: <000401c597bd$7a9e6060$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <MDAEMON-F200508021707.AA0746906md50000031642@afsweb.com>

How are you trying to get back out and into your FTP server? 

Are you trying to get to it using a different machine? 

Check the firewall settings on the machine to see if it is accepting outside
connections for the protocol that FTP is listening on. To check if a
particular port is being used by a protocol go to the command prompt and
type NETSTAT -a.


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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 4:54 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; Tech - Database
Advisors Inc.
Subject: [AccessD] Serv-U

I am trying to get Serv-U FTP server going on my server here in my office.
The install was simple and just worked.  It works just fine inside of my
network, using ftp://192.168.122.106 (the server IP address) but I cannot
see it going out to the internet and coming back in.  I have a dlink 624 (I
think) router, in which I have forwarded ports 20 and 21 to 192.168.122.106.
I just cannot see the server, from my laptop, going out and back in.

One of my tech assists suggested that my ISP might be blocking port 20/21,
so I set up the server to look for the ftp at 59999 and then used :59999 at
the end to try and force contact at that port.  That does not work either.

Can anyone suggest how to test this thing, coming in from the outside?  If
anyone out there knows this stuff, and in particular has experience with
Serv-U, can you assist me in getting this working.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Aug  2 19:44:45 2005
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2005 20:44:45 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Serv-U
In-Reply-To: <MDAEMON-F200508021707.AA0746906md50000031642@afsweb.com>
Message-ID: <000501c597c4$8e670eb0$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

All of the machines in my network have Sygate personal firewall installed on
them, but I have unloaded (closed) that on both the server and my laptop
which I am using to test the FTP server.  From my laptop, inside of my
network, I can use IE to go to the server ftp address, see the ftp
directories etc.  I am asked for the username and password by the FTP
server, and once I enter them I can see the directories.  I can send files
from my laptop to the directories for that username.  I can move files into
those directories directly on the server machine, and I can then see them
using IE Explorer and FTPing into that machine (locally).

As for "going out and back in, I use No-IP to discover my IP address
assigned by the cable company.  I then enter that at IE address bar:
ftp://68.198.141.18  Doing that, IE "hangs for a long time", then comes back
and says it can't find the address.

One thing that I have discovered is that the WAN IP address is
192.168.102.100, and the "default gateway" is 192.168.102.1 for the WAN
according to the router, whereas the interior IP group is 192.168.122.1XX -
(100-199).  The LAN IP address is 192.168.122.1  Why is the wan .102.100 and
everything else 122.1xx?

I have no clue what that means, just that is seems strange to me.  

The router is the DHCP server for the network (which is a workgroup) and the
FTP Server is assigned .106 all of the time, with other machines also
assigned specific addresses.  I did this so that I could vnc / remote
desktop in to my LAN from outside and count on getting to specific machines.
I have had all of that working in the past, though I don't guarantee that it
still does.

It seems to me to be an issue with the router, port forwarding and so forth
since I can do everything from inside the network.  OTOH, I don't know that
my request is even getting out to the internet, never mind back in.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Eric Barro
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 8:08 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Serv-U


How are you trying to get back out and into your FTP server? 

Are you trying to get to it using a different machine? 

Check the firewall settings on the machine to see if it is accepting outside
connections for the protocol that FTP is listening on. To check if a
particular port is being used by a protocol go to the command prompt and
type NETSTAT -a.


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 4:54 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; Tech - Database
Advisors Inc.
Subject: [AccessD] Serv-U

I am trying to get Serv-U FTP server going on my server here in my office.
The install was simple and just worked.  It works just fine inside of my
network, using ftp://192.168.122.106 (the server IP address) but I cannot
see it going out to the internet and coming back in.  I have a dlink 624 (I
think) router, in which I have forwarded ports 20 and 21 to 192.168.122.106.
I just cannot see the server, from my laptop, going out and back in.

One of my tech assists suggested that my ISP might be blocking port 20/21,
so I set up the server to look for the ftp at 59999 and then used :59999 at
the end to try and force contact at that port.  That does not work either.

Can anyone suggest how to test this thing, coming in from the outside?  If
anyone out there knows this stuff, and in particular has experience with
Serv-U, can you assist me in getting this working.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From jason at purplecone.com  Tue Aug  2 20:34:11 2005
From: jason at purplecone.com (Jason Strickland)
Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 21:34:11 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Serv-U
In-Reply-To: <000501c597c4$8e670eb0$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <200508030134.j731Y3R07106@databaseadvisors.com>

If you are physically on the inside LAN, you cannot connect to the ftp
server using the outside address. You need a workstation on the outside to
connect to your public IP and you should be able to get in.

I tried to ftp to 68.198.141.18 but it timed out. By looking at your Ip, I
am assuming you are on cable. Some cable modems issue a DHCP and I am
assuming your router is getting the DHCP of 192.168.102.100 and the modem
interface is 192.168.102.1

Your dlink then does nat for the other ip range.

-Jason 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: 08/02/2005 8:45 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; Tech - Database
Advisors Inc.
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Serv-U

All of the machines in my network have Sygate personal firewall installed on
them, but I have unloaded (closed) that on both the server and my laptop
which I am using to test the FTP server.  From my laptop, inside of my
network, I can use IE to go to the server ftp address, see the ftp
directories etc.  I am asked for the username and password by the FTP
server, and once I enter them I can see the directories.  I can send files
from my laptop to the directories for that username.  I can move files into
those directories directly on the server machine, and I can then see them
using IE Explorer and FTPing into that machine (locally).

As for "going out and back in, I use No-IP to discover my IP address
assigned by the cable company.  I then enter that at IE address bar:
ftp://68.198.141.18  Doing that, IE "hangs for a long time", then comes back
and says it can't find the address.

One thing that I have discovered is that the WAN IP address is
192.168.102.100, and the "default gateway" is 192.168.102.1 for the WAN
according to the router, whereas the interior IP group is 192.168.122.1XX -
(100-199).  The LAN IP address is 192.168.122.1  Why is the wan .102.100 and
everything else 122.1xx?

I have no clue what that means, just that is seems strange to me.  

The router is the DHCP server for the network (which is a workgroup) and the
FTP Server is assigned .106 all of the time, with other machines also
assigned specific addresses.  I did this so that I could vnc / remote
desktop in to my LAN from outside and count on getting to specific machines.
I have had all of that working in the past, though I don't guarantee that it
still does.

It seems to me to be an issue with the router, port forwarding and so forth
since I can do everything from inside the network.  OTOH, I don't know that
my request is even getting out to the internet, never mind back in.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Eric Barro
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 8:08 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Serv-U


How are you trying to get back out and into your FTP server? 

Are you trying to get to it using a different machine? 

Check the firewall settings on the machine to see if it is accepting outside
connections for the protocol that FTP is listening on. To check if a
particular port is being used by a protocol go to the command prompt and
type NETSTAT -a.


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 4:54 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; Tech - Database
Advisors Inc.
Subject: [AccessD] Serv-U

I am trying to get Serv-U FTP server going on my server here in my office.
The install was simple and just worked.  It works just fine inside of my
network, using ftp://192.168.122.106 (the server IP address) but I cannot
see it going out to the internet and coming back in.  I have a dlink 624 (I
think) router, in which I have forwarded ports 20 and 21 to 192.168.122.106.
I just cannot see the server, from my laptop, going out and back in.

One of my tech assists suggested that my ISP might be blocking port 20/21,
so I set up the server to look for the ftp at 59999 and then used :59999 at
the end to try and force contact at that port.  That does not work either.

Can anyone suggest how to test this thing, coming in from the outside?  If
anyone out there knows this stuff, and in particular has experience with
Serv-U, can you assist me in getting this working.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From ebarro at afsweb.com  Tue Aug  2 21:11:17 2005
From: ebarro at afsweb.com (Eric Barro)
Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 19:11:17 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Serv-U
In-Reply-To: <200508030134.j731Y3R07106@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <MDAEMON-F200508021911.AA1126130md50000032312@afsweb.com>

Jason's right John. You can't go back into the internal network by using
another machine that's on the same network subnet. The IP packets can't be
routed properly because your source and destination address are going to be
the same public IP.

I also tried to ftp to the IP you specified but I got an error. Most cable
providers block inbound port 21 and port 80 since they don't want people
setting up servers behind the cable modem.



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jason Strickland
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 6:34 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Serv-U

If you are physically on the inside LAN, you cannot connect to the ftp
server using the outside address. You need a workstation on the outside to
connect to your public IP and you should be able to get in.

I tried to ftp to 68.198.141.18 but it timed out. By looking at your Ip, I
am assuming you are on cable. Some cable modems issue a DHCP and I am
assuming your router is getting the DHCP of 192.168.102.100 and the modem
interface is 192.168.102.1

Your dlink then does nat for the other ip range.

-Jason 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: 08/02/2005 8:45 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; Tech - Database
Advisors Inc.
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Serv-U

All of the machines in my network have Sygate personal firewall installed on
them, but I have unloaded (closed) that on both the server and my laptop
which I am using to test the FTP server.  From my laptop, inside of my
network, I can use IE to go to the server ftp address, see the ftp
directories etc.  I am asked for the username and password by the FTP
server, and once I enter them I can see the directories.  I can send files
from my laptop to the directories for that username.  I can move files into
those directories directly on the server machine, and I can then see them
using IE Explorer and FTPing into that machine (locally).

As for "going out and back in, I use No-IP to discover my IP address
assigned by the cable company.  I then enter that at IE address bar:
ftp://68.198.141.18  Doing that, IE "hangs for a long time", then comes back
and says it can't find the address.

One thing that I have discovered is that the WAN IP address is
192.168.102.100, and the "default gateway" is 192.168.102.1 for the WAN
according to the router, whereas the interior IP group is 192.168.122.1XX -
(100-199).  The LAN IP address is 192.168.122.1  Why is the wan .102.100 and
everything else 122.1xx?

I have no clue what that means, just that is seems strange to me.  

The router is the DHCP server for the network (which is a workgroup) and the
FTP Server is assigned .106 all of the time, with other machines also
assigned specific addresses.  I did this so that I could vnc / remote
desktop in to my LAN from outside and count on getting to specific machines.
I have had all of that working in the past, though I don't guarantee that it
still does.

It seems to me to be an issue with the router, port forwarding and so forth
since I can do everything from inside the network.  OTOH, I don't know that
my request is even getting out to the internet, never mind back in.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Eric Barro
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 8:08 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Serv-U


How are you trying to get back out and into your FTP server? 

Are you trying to get to it using a different machine? 

Check the firewall settings on the machine to see if it is accepting outside
connections for the protocol that FTP is listening on. To check if a
particular port is being used by a protocol go to the command prompt and
type NETSTAT -a.


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 4:54 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; Tech - Database
Advisors Inc.
Subject: [AccessD] Serv-U

I am trying to get Serv-U FTP server going on my server here in my office.
The install was simple and just worked.  It works just fine inside of my
network, using ftp://192.168.122.106 (the server IP address) but I cannot
see it going out to the internet and coming back in.  I have a dlink 624 (I
think) router, in which I have forwarded ports 20 and 21 to 192.168.122.106.
I just cannot see the server, from my laptop, going out and back in.

One of my tech assists suggested that my ISP might be blocking port 20/21,
so I set up the server to look for the ftp at 59999 and then used :59999 at
the end to try and force contact at that port.  That does not work either.

Can anyone suggest how to test this thing, coming in from the outside?  If
anyone out there knows this stuff, and in particular has experience with
Serv-U, can you assist me in getting this working.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Aug  2 22:06:37 2005
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2005 23:06:37 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Serv-U
In-Reply-To: <MDAEMON-F200508021911.AA1126130md50000032312@afsweb.com>
Message-ID: <001601c597d8$601cd6c0$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

>Jason's right John. You can't go back into the internal network by using
another machine that's on the same network subnet. The IP packets can't be
routed properly because your source and destination address are going to be
the same public IP.

That would explain that.

What port would be appropriate to set up then?  I set up 59999 (one shy of
60k) but of course I was trying to get out and back in.  I can remote
desktop to a client's machine and ftp back in for testing.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Eric Barro
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 10:11 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Serv-U


Jason's right John. You can't go back into the internal network by using
another machine that's on the same network subnet. The IP packets can't be
routed properly because your source and destination address are going to be
the same public IP.

I also tried to ftp to the IP you specified but I got an error. Most cable
providers block inbound port 21 and port 80 since they don't want people
setting up servers behind the cable modem.



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jason Strickland
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 6:34 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Serv-U

If you are physically on the inside LAN, you cannot connect to the ftp
server using the outside address. You need a workstation on the outside to
connect to your public IP and you should be able to get in.

I tried to ftp to 68.198.141.18 but it timed out. By looking at your Ip, I
am assuming you are on cable. Some cable modems issue a DHCP and I am
assuming your router is getting the DHCP of 192.168.102.100 and the modem
interface is 192.168.102.1

Your dlink then does nat for the other ip range.

-Jason 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: 08/02/2005 8:45 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; Tech - Database
Advisors Inc.
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Serv-U

All of the machines in my network have Sygate personal firewall installed on
them, but I have unloaded (closed) that on both the server and my laptop
which I am using to test the FTP server.  From my laptop, inside of my
network, I can use IE to go to the server ftp address, see the ftp
directories etc.  I am asked for the username and password by the FTP
server, and once I enter them I can see the directories.  I can send files
from my laptop to the directories for that username.  I can move files into
those directories directly on the server machine, and I can then see them
using IE Explorer and FTPing into that machine (locally).

As for "going out and back in, I use No-IP to discover my IP address
assigned by the cable company.  I then enter that at IE address bar:
ftp://68.198.141.18  Doing that, IE "hangs for a long time", then comes back
and says it can't find the address.

One thing that I have discovered is that the WAN IP address is
192.168.102.100, and the "default gateway" is 192.168.102.1 for the WAN
according to the router, whereas the interior IP group is 192.168.122.1XX -
(100-199).  The LAN IP address is 192.168.122.1  Why is the wan .102.100 and
everything else 122.1xx?

I have no clue what that means, just that is seems strange to me.  

The router is the DHCP server for the network (which is a workgroup) and the
FTP Server is assigned .106 all of the time, with other machines also
assigned specific addresses.  I did this so that I could vnc / remote
desktop in to my LAN from outside and count on getting to specific machines.
I have had all of that working in the past, though I don't guarantee that it
still does.

It seems to me to be an issue with the router, port forwarding and so forth
since I can do everything from inside the network.  OTOH, I don't know that
my request is even getting out to the internet, never mind back in.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Eric Barro
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 8:08 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Serv-U


How are you trying to get back out and into your FTP server? 

Are you trying to get to it using a different machine? 

Check the firewall settings on the machine to see if it is accepting outside
connections for the protocol that FTP is listening on. To check if a
particular port is being used by a protocol go to the command prompt and
type NETSTAT -a.


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 4:54 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; Tech - Database
Advisors Inc.
Subject: [AccessD] Serv-U

I am trying to get Serv-U FTP server going on my server here in my office.
The install was simple and just worked.  It works just fine inside of my
network, using ftp://192.168.122.106 (the server IP address) but I cannot
see it going out to the internet and coming back in.  I have a dlink 624 (I
think) router, in which I have forwarded ports 20 and 21 to 192.168.122.106.
I just cannot see the server, from my laptop, going out and back in.

One of my tech assists suggested that my ISP might be blocking port 20/21,
so I set up the server to look for the ftp at 59999 and then used :59999 at
the end to try and force contact at that port.  That does not work either.

Can anyone suggest how to test this thing, coming in from the outside?  If
anyone out there knows this stuff, and in particular has experience with
Serv-U, can you assist me in getting this working.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Aug  2 22:20:13 2005
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2005 23:20:13 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Serv-U
In-Reply-To: <001601c597d8$601cd6c0$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <001701c597da$43209280$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

Well, I have tried it at port 59999 as well.  Port forwarding is set to the
same server, Serv-U is modified to use 59999, I remote desktop to a client
machine then try and ftp back in and a definite no go.

Sigh.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 11:07 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Serv-U


>Jason's right John. You can't go back into the internal network by 
>using
another machine that's on the same network subnet. The IP packets can't be
routed properly because your source and destination address are going to be
the same public IP.

That would explain that.

What port would be appropriate to set up then?  I set up 59999 (one shy of
60k) but of course I was trying to get out and back in.  I can remote
desktop to a client's machine and ftp back in for testing.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Eric Barro
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 10:11 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Serv-U


Jason's right John. You can't go back into the internal network by using
another machine that's on the same network subnet. The IP packets can't be
routed properly because your source and destination address are going to be
the same public IP.

I also tried to ftp to the IP you specified but I got an error. Most cable
providers block inbound port 21 and port 80 since they don't want people
setting up servers behind the cable modem.



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jason Strickland
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 6:34 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Serv-U

If you are physically on the inside LAN, you cannot connect to the ftp
server using the outside address. You need a workstation on the outside to
connect to your public IP and you should be able to get in.

I tried to ftp to 68.198.141.18 but it timed out. By looking at your Ip, I
am assuming you are on cable. Some cable modems issue a DHCP and I am
assuming your router is getting the DHCP of 192.168.102.100 and the modem
interface is 192.168.102.1

Your dlink then does nat for the other ip range.

-Jason 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: 08/02/2005 8:45 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; Tech - Database
Advisors Inc.
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Serv-U

All of the machines in my network have Sygate personal firewall installed on
them, but I have unloaded (closed) that on both the server and my laptop
which I am using to test the FTP server.  From my laptop, inside of my
network, I can use IE to go to the server ftp address, see the ftp
directories etc.  I am asked for the username and password by the FTP
server, and once I enter them I can see the directories.  I can send files
from my laptop to the directories for that username.  I can move files into
those directories directly on the server machine, and I can then see them
using IE Explorer and FTPing into that machine (locally).

As for "going out and back in, I use No-IP to discover my IP address
assigned by the cable company.  I then enter that at IE address bar:
ftp://68.198.141.18  Doing that, IE "hangs for a long time", then comes back
and says it can't find the address.

One thing that I have discovered is that the WAN IP address is
192.168.102.100, and the "default gateway" is 192.168.102.1 for the WAN
according to the router, whereas the interior IP group is 192.168.122.1XX -
(100-199).  The LAN IP address is 192.168.122.1  Why is the wan .102.100 and
everything else 122.1xx?

I have no clue what that means, just that is seems strange to me.  

The router is the DHCP server for the network (which is a workgroup) and the
FTP Server is assigned .106 all of the time, with other machines also
assigned specific addresses.  I did this so that I could vnc / remote
desktop in to my LAN from outside and count on getting to specific machines.
I have had all of that working in the past, though I don't guarantee that it
still does.

It seems to me to be an issue with the router, port forwarding and so forth
since I can do everything from inside the network.  OTOH, I don't know that
my request is even getting out to the internet, never mind back in.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Eric Barro
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 8:08 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Serv-U


How are you trying to get back out and into your FTP server? 

Are you trying to get to it using a different machine? 

Check the firewall settings on the machine to see if it is accepting outside
connections for the protocol that FTP is listening on. To check if a
particular port is being used by a protocol go to the command prompt and
type NETSTAT -a.


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 4:54 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; Tech - Database
Advisors Inc.
Subject: [AccessD] Serv-U

I am trying to get Serv-U FTP server going on my server here in my office.
The install was simple and just worked.  It works just fine inside of my
network, using ftp://192.168.122.106 (the server IP address) but I cannot
see it going out to the internet and coming back in.  I have a dlink 624 (I
think) router, in which I have forwarded ports 20 and 21 to 192.168.122.106.
I just cannot see the server, from my laptop, going out and back in.

One of my tech assists suggested that my ISP might be blocking port 20/21,
so I set up the server to look for the ftp at 59999 and then used :59999 at
the end to try and force contact at that port.  That does not work either.

Can anyone suggest how to test this thing, coming in from the outside?  If
anyone out there knows this stuff, and in particular has experience with
Serv-U, can you assist me in getting this working.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Aug  3 00:41:19 2005
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2005 22:41:19 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Serv-U
In-Reply-To: <000501c597c4$8e670eb0$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <0IKM00123T4TE0@l-daemon>

Hi John:

Just a couple of comments:

If you are using standard ftp then port 21 must be open on your router. If
not there is usually a configuration, on the router, that you may have to
set. (Also on the software firewalls.)

When testing the ftp server (I use IIS) inside the LAN I would use something
like:

ftp://MyUserName:MyPassword at 192.168.102.100

After this has been thoroughly tested and when sending it outside to be used
for external access to the FTP server then reconfigure like:
 
ftp://MyUsername:MyPassword at 68.198.141.18

The above address will not work from an external station. You can test the
external response by going to an external web proxy like
http://www.guardster.com/ . From there you can see whether you can access
your ftp server from outside. Another trick to see what is happening is to
monitor your router external status page and see what ports a remote process
is trying to access. 

If you are using a different port for the FTP site like 8888 you would have
to configure the ftp address like:

ftp://MyUsername:MyPassword at 68.198.141.18:8888

Have you ever considered using webdav to handle your remote access? It is
not difficult to setup and according to a friend more secure.

HTH
Jim

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Subject: RE: [AccessD] Serv-U

All of the machines in my network have Sygate personal firewall installed on
them, but I have unloaded (closed) that on both the server and my laptop
which I am using to test the FTP server.  From my laptop, inside of my
network, I can use IE to go to the server ftp address, see the ftp
directories etc.  I am asked for the username and password by the FTP
server, and once I enter them I can see the directories.  I can send files
from my laptop to the directories for that username.  I can move files into
those directories directly on the server machine, and I can then see them
using IE Explorer and FTPing into that machine (locally).

As for "going out and back in, I use No-IP to discover my IP address
assigned by the cable company.  I then enter that at IE address bar:
ftp://68.198.141.18  Doing that, IE "hangs for a long time", then comes back
and says it can't find the address.

One thing that I have discovered is that the WAN IP address is
192.168.102.100, and the "default gateway" is 192.168.102.1 for the WAN
according to the router, whereas the interior IP group is 192.168.122.1XX -
(100-199).  The LAN IP address is 192.168.122.1  Why is the wan .102.100 and
everything else 122.1xx?

I have no clue what that means, just that is seems strange to me.  

The router is the DHCP server for the network (which is a workgroup) and the
FTP Server is assigned .106 all of the time, with other machines also
assigned specific addresses.  I did this so that I could vnc / remote
desktop in to my LAN from outside and count on getting to specific machines.
I have had all of that working in the past, though I don't guarantee that it
still does.

It seems to me to be an issue with the router, port forwarding and so forth
since I can do everything from inside the network.  OTOH, I don't know that
my request is even getting out to the internet, never mind back in.

John W. Colby
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Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 8:08 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Serv-U


How are you trying to get back out and into your FTP server? 

Are you trying to get to it using a different machine? 

Check the firewall settings on the machine to see if it is accepting outside
connections for the protocol that FTP is listening on. To check if a
particular port is being used by a protocol go to the command prompt and
type NETSTAT -a.


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Subject: [AccessD] Serv-U

I am trying to get Serv-U FTP server going on my server here in my office.
The install was simple and just worked.  It works just fine inside of my
network, using ftp://192.168.122.106 (the server IP address) but I cannot
see it going out to the internet and coming back in.  I have a dlink 624 (I
think) router, in which I have forwarded ports 20 and 21 to 192.168.122.106.
I just cannot see the server, from my laptop, going out and back in.

One of my tech assists suggested that my ISP might be blocking port 20/21,
so I set up the server to look for the ftp at 59999 and then used :59999 at
the end to try and force contact at that port.  That does not work either.

Can anyone suggest how to test this thing, coming in from the outside?  If
anyone out there knows this stuff, and in particular has experience with
Serv-U, can you assist me in getting this working.

John W. Colby
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From jmhecht at earthlink.net  Wed Aug  3 01:48:39 2005
From: jmhecht at earthlink.net (Joe Hecht)
Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 23:48:39 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Found this site on excel
Message-ID: <002201c597f7$61d989d0$6401a8c0@laptop1>

But it has Access Stuff too
 
http://www.fontstuff.com/downloads/index.htm
 
 
 
Joe Hecht
Los Angeles CA
 


From vrm at tim-cms.com  Wed Aug  3 02:32:15 2005
From: vrm at tim-cms.com (| Marcel Vreuls)
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 09:32:15 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Menu problems
In-Reply-To: <002201c597f7$61d989d0$6401a8c0@laptop1>
Message-ID: <000601c597fd$7a9a2690$0100000a@GALAXY.local>

Hi,

I've got the strangest problem. I have a quit large frontend A2K MDB/MDE. I
cannot recall since when. I guess about 4 weeks not all menus are visible
anymore. For example i had a dropdown File menu a view menu and a settings
menu. The view menu is working fine but the other two show no options
anymore. Only a grey square like option with no menu options
anymore!?!?!??!?!?

I have about 300 deployed clients through the country and they are all
working fine. So no worries now and It seems this problem only occurs on my
pc and laptop. But it develops and tests very bad.

Thx Marcel



From greggs at msn.com  Wed Aug  3 09:32:28 2005
From: greggs at msn.com (Gregg)
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 09:32:28 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Memo field parsing
References: <000601c597fd$7a9a2690$0100000a@GALAXY.local>
Message-ID: <BAY103-DAV10A3F42ACDAF53334C27BFC6C50@phx.gbl>

I would like to parse a memo field in a A97 report such that the first three lines is on the first page and whatever is left is on the next.  Any ideas?

Gregg Steinbrenner

From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed Aug  3 10:28:59 2005
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 08:28:59 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Memo field parsing
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86873B7A@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Define "first three lines".   Is that a particular number of characters
or a physical space?

Charlotte Foust


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Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 7:32 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Memo field parsing


I would like to parse a memo field in a A97 report such that the first
three lines is on the first page and whatever is left is on the next.
Any ideas?

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From greggs at msn.com  Wed Aug  3 10:42:44 2005
From: greggs at msn.com (Gregg)
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 10:42:44 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Memo field parsing
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86873B7A@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <BAY103-DAV8F6A4DE8AC96919B3F86FC6C50@phx.gbl>

Charlotte

Physical space I think because I don't know how to get from one to the other.  The number of characters is going to be dependant on the how many characters are lost to word wrapping isn't it?  Is there a way to calculate the number of characters that will appear in the first three lines?  If I knew that, I could do it.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
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  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving<mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com> 
  Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 10:28 AM
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] Memo field parsing


  Define "first three lines".   Is that a particular number of characters
  or a physical space?

  Charlotte Foust


  -----Original Message-----
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  Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 7:32 AM
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
  Subject: [AccessD] Memo field parsing


  I would like to parse a memo field in a A97 report such that the first
  three lines is on the first page and whatever is left is on the next.
  Any ideas?

  Gregg Steinbrenner
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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Aug  3 10:56:26 2005
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2005 17:56:26 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Memo field parsing
Message-ID: <s2f10559.035@cactus.dk>

Hi Gregg

You may find some hints about font metrics here at Stephen Lebans:

  http://www.lebans.com/textwidth-height.htm 

Prepare for some fun ...

/gustav

>>> greggs at msn.com 08/03 5:42 pm >>>
Charlotte

Physical space I think because I don't know how to get from one to the
other.  The number of characters is going to be dependant on the how
many characters are lost to word wrapping isn't it?  Is there a way to
calculate the number of characters that will appear in the first three
lines?  If I knew that, I could do it.



From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed Aug  3 11:02:03 2005
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 09:02:03 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Memo field parsing
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8689A725@infoserver01.infostat.local>

You can't do it by simply counting characters anyhow.  You have to use
the TextWidth property, which can be expressed as
reportname.TextWidth(stringvariable) and compare that to the textwidth
of the control ( reportname.TextWidth(controlobject) or to the maximum
length you want to display.  You'll also want to allow a padding factor
to avoid overrunning the  borders of the control and be sure and check
for carriage returns because they confuse the issue.

If you want to display 3 "lines", you'll have to break the memo field
into the first three chunks that will fit into the textwidth of the
textbox you're using to display the text on that page.

Charlotte Foust


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From: Gregg [mailto:greggs at msn.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 8:43 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Memo field parsing


Charlotte

Physical space I think because I don't know how to get from one to the
other.  The number of characters is going to be dependant on the how
many characters are lost to word wrapping isn't it?  Is there a way to
calculate the number of characters that will appear in the first three
lines?  If I knew that, I could do it.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Charlotte Foust<mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com> 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem
solving<mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com> 
  Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 10:28 AM
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] Memo field parsing


  Define "first three lines".   Is that a particular number of
characters
  or a physical space?

  Charlotte Foust


  -----Original Message-----
  From: Gregg [mailto:greggs at msn.com] 
  Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 7:32 AM
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
  Subject: [AccessD] Memo field parsing


  I would like to parse a memo field in a A97 report such that the first
  three lines is on the first page and whatever is left is on the next.
  Any ideas?

  Gregg Steinbrenner
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Wed Aug  3 11:01:11 2005
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (DWUTKA at marlow.com)
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 11:01:11 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] Serv-U
Message-ID: <123701F54509D9119A4F00D0B747349016DBC7@main2.marlow.com>

What's your external IP address?

Drew

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Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 6:54 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; Tech - Database
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Subject: [AccessD] Serv-U


I am trying to get Serv-U FTP server going on my server here in my office.
The install was simple and just worked.  It works just fine inside of my
network, using ftp://192.168.122.106 (the server IP address) but I cannot
see it going out to the internet and coming back in.  I have a dlink 624 (I
think) router, in which I have forwarded ports 20 and 21 to 192.168.122.106.
I just cannot see the server, from my laptop, going out and back in.

One of my tech assists suggested that my ISP might be blocking port 20/21,
so I set up the server to look for the ftp at 59999 and then used :59999 at
the end to try and force contact at that port.  That does not work either.

Can anyone suggest how to test this thing, coming in from the outside?  If
anyone out there knows this stuff, and in particular has experience with
Serv-U, can you assist me in getting this working.

John W. Colby
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Wed Aug  3 11:02:51 2005
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (DWUTKA at marlow.com)
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 11:02:51 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] Serv-U
Message-ID: <123701F54509D9119A4F00D0B747349016DBC8@main2.marlow.com>

Turn the logging on, on your router.  I have a DI-624, and I know it has a
decent logger.  That will let you know what is coming back at it.

Drew

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From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 7:45 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; Tech - Database
Advisors Inc.
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Serv-U


All of the machines in my network have Sygate personal firewall installed on
them, but I have unloaded (closed) that on both the server and my laptop
which I am using to test the FTP server.  From my laptop, inside of my
network, I can use IE to go to the server ftp address, see the ftp
directories etc.  I am asked for the username and password by the FTP
server, and once I enter them I can see the directories.  I can send files
from my laptop to the directories for that username.  I can move files into
those directories directly on the server machine, and I can then see them
using IE Explorer and FTPing into that machine (locally).

As for "going out and back in, I use No-IP to discover my IP address
assigned by the cable company.  I then enter that at IE address bar:
ftp://68.198.141.18  Doing that, IE "hangs for a long time", then comes back
and says it can't find the address.

One thing that I have discovered is that the WAN IP address is
192.168.102.100, and the "default gateway" is 192.168.102.1 for the WAN
according to the router, whereas the interior IP group is 192.168.122.1XX -
(100-199).  The LAN IP address is 192.168.122.1  Why is the wan .102.100 and
everything else 122.1xx?

I have no clue what that means, just that is seems strange to me.  

The router is the DHCP server for the network (which is a workgroup) and the
FTP Server is assigned .106 all of the time, with other machines also
assigned specific addresses.  I did this so that I could vnc / remote
desktop in to my LAN from outside and count on getting to specific machines.
I have had all of that working in the past, though I don't guarantee that it
still does.

It seems to me to be an issue with the router, port forwarding and so forth
since I can do everything from inside the network.  OTOH, I don't know that
my request is even getting out to the internet, never mind back in.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 8:08 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Serv-U


How are you trying to get back out and into your FTP server? 

Are you trying to get to it using a different machine? 

Check the firewall settings on the machine to see if it is accepting outside
connections for the protocol that FTP is listening on. To check if a
particular port is being used by a protocol go to the command prompt and
type NETSTAT -a.


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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 4:54 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; Tech - Database
Advisors Inc.
Subject: [AccessD] Serv-U

I am trying to get Serv-U FTP server going on my server here in my office.
The install was simple and just worked.  It works just fine inside of my
network, using ftp://192.168.122.106 (the server IP address) but I cannot
see it going out to the internet and coming back in.  I have a dlink 624 (I
think) router, in which I have forwarded ports 20 and 21 to 192.168.122.106.
I just cannot see the server, from my laptop, going out and back in.

One of my tech assists suggested that my ISP might be blocking port 20/21,
so I set up the server to look for the ftp at 59999 and then used :59999 at
the end to try and force contact at that port.  That does not work either.

Can anyone suggest how to test this thing, coming in from the outside?  If
anyone out there knows this stuff, and in particular has experience with
Serv-U, can you assist me in getting this working.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Wed Aug  3 11:08:59 2005
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 17:08:59 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Memo field parsing
Message-ID: <20050803160856.48ECC250758@smtp.nildram.co.uk>

This may sound a naff solution but I reckon any clever one is going to be a
lot of work. So this is a pragmatic workaround.

Obviously getting the first 3 lines on the first page is easy. You just size
your textbox to 3 lines height and make it not grow. Then I was thinking
about the second part and thought....if you place a full height (or CanGrow)
text control on page 2 it will show the first 3 lines again and then the
rest. So if you can't stop it showing the first 3 lines can you blank them
out? As long as you don't want the control on page 2 to be too close to the
top of the sheet you just place another (empty) control, again of 3 lines
height over the top of it (with background not transparent). Seems to work.
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To: "accessd at databaseadvisors.com" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Memo field parsing
Date: 03/08/05 15:57


Hi Gregg

You may find some hints about font metrics here at Stephen Lebans:

http://www.lebans.com/textwidth-height.htm

Prepare for some fun ...

/gustav

>>> greggs at msn.com 08/03 5:42 pm >>>
Charlotte

Physical space I think because I don't know how to get from one to the
other. The number of characters is going to be dependant on the how
many characters are lost to word wrapping isn't it? Is there a way to
calculate the number of characters that will appear in the first three
lines? If I knew that, I could do it.

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed Aug  3 11:18:53 2005
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 09:18:53 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Memo field parsing
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86873B7F@infoserver01.infostat.local>

That sounds like as much work as developing a single routine to return
the first three lines ... Which could also be used to REMOVE the first
three lines for the next page.

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 9:09 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Memo field parsing


This may sound a naff solution but I reckon any clever one is going to
be a lot of work. So this is a pragmatic workaround.

Obviously getting the first 3 lines on the first page is easy. You just
size your textbox to 3 lines height and make it not grow. Then I was
thinking about the second part and thought....if you place a full height
(or CanGrow) text control on page 2 it will show the first 3 lines again
and then the rest. So if you can't stop it showing the first 3 lines can
you blank them out? As long as you don't want the control on page 2 to
be too close to the top of the sheet you just place another (empty)
control, again of 3 lines height over the top of it (with background not
transparent). Seems to work.
--
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To: "accessd at databaseadvisors.com" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Memo field parsing
Date: 03/08/05 15:57


Hi Gregg

You may find some hints about font metrics here at Stephen Lebans:

http://www.lebans.com/textwidth-height.htm

Prepare for some fun ...

/gustav

>>> greggs at msn.com 08/03 5:42 pm >>>
Charlotte

Physical space I think because I don't know how to get from one to the
other. The number of characters is going to be dependant on the how many
characters are lost to word wrapping isn't it? Is there a way to
calculate the number of characters that will appear in the first three
lines? If I knew that, I could do it.

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From greggs at msn.com  Wed Aug  3 11:41:04 2005
From: greggs at msn.com (Gregg)
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 11:41:04 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Memo field parsing
References: <20050803160856.48ECC250758@smtp.nildram.co.uk>
Message-ID: <BAY103-DAV43C3CDB2FB22DF580A7CCC6C50@phx.gbl>

That was exactly my first solution (naff or not).  The problem is the text box is midway down the 2nd page following some other items and the customer never was very impressed with the blank space.  Now they are running out of space on the second page and are limited to the 2 pages by their end user and need to use the blank space.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Andy Lacey<mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk> 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving<mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com> 
  Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 11:08 AM
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Memo field parsing


  This may sound a naff solution but I reckon any clever one is going to be a
  lot of work. So this is a pragmatic workaround.

  Obviously getting the first 3 lines on the first page is easy. You just size
  your textbox to 3 lines height and make it not grow. Then I was thinking
  about the second part and thought....if you place a full height (or CanGrow)
  text control on page 2 it will show the first 3 lines again and then the
  rest. So if you can't stop it showing the first 3 lines can you blank them
  out? As long as you don't want the control on page 2 to be too close to the
  top of the sheet you just place another (empty) control, again of 3 lines
  height over the top of it (with background not transparent). Seems to work.
  --
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  http://www.minstersystems.co.uk<http://www.minstersystems.co.uk/>




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  To: "accessd at databaseadvisors.com<mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com>" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com<mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com>>
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Memo field parsing
  Date: 03/08/05 15:57


  Hi Gregg

  You may find some hints about font metrics here at Stephen Lebans:

  http://www.lebans.com/textwidth-height.htm<http://www.lebans.com/textwidth-height.htm>

  Prepare for some fun ...

  /gustav

  >>> greggs at msn.com<mailto:greggs at msn.com> 08/03 5:42 pm >>>
  Charlotte

  Physical space I think because I don't know how to get from one to the
  other. The number of characters is going to be dependant on the how
  many characters are lost to word wrapping isn't it? Is there a way to
  calculate the number of characters that will appear in the first three
  lines? If I knew that, I could do it.

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Aug  3 12:17:34 2005
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2005 13:17:34 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Serv-U
In-Reply-To: <123701F54509D9119A4F00D0B747349016DBC8@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <005201c5984f$404291b0$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

I have logging on already, but I am not seeing anything that looks like
attempts to hit the FTP port (or the port I set up for port forwarding).

John W. Colby
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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of DWUTKA at marlow.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 12:03 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Serv-U


Turn the logging on, on your router.  I have a DI-624, and I know it has a
decent logger.  That will let you know what is coming back at it.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 7:45 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; Tech - Database
Advisors Inc.
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Serv-U


All of the machines in my network have Sygate personal firewall installed on
them, but I have unloaded (closed) that on both the server and my laptop
which I am using to test the FTP server.  From my laptop, inside of my
network, I can use IE to go to the server ftp address, see the ftp
directories etc.  I am asked for the username and password by the FTP
server, and once I enter them I can see the directories.  I can send files
from my laptop to the directories for that username.  I can move files into
those directories directly on the server machine, and I can then see them
using IE Explorer and FTPing into that machine (locally).

As for "going out and back in, I use No-IP to discover my IP address
assigned by the cable company.  I then enter that at IE address bar:
ftp://68.198.141.18  Doing that, IE "hangs for a long time", then comes back
and says it can't find the address.

One thing that I have discovered is that the WAN IP address is
192.168.102.100, and the "default gateway" is 192.168.102.1 for the WAN
according to the router, whereas the interior IP group is 192.168.122.1XX -
(100-199).  The LAN IP address is 192.168.122.1  Why is the wan .102.100 and
everything else 122.1xx?

I have no clue what that means, just that is seems strange to me.  

The router is the DHCP server for the network (which is a workgroup) and the
FTP Server is assigned .106 all of the time, with other machines also
assigned specific addresses.  I did this so that I could vnc / remote
desktop in to my LAN from outside and count on getting to specific machines.
I have had all of that working in the past, though I don't guarantee that it
still does.

It seems to me to be an issue with the router, port forwarding and so forth
since I can do everything from inside the network.  OTOH, I don't know that
my request is even getting out to the internet, never mind back in.

John W. Colby
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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Eric Barro
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 8:08 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Serv-U


How are you trying to get back out and into your FTP server? 

Are you trying to get to it using a different machine? 

Check the firewall settings on the machine to see if it is accepting outside
connections for the protocol that FTP is listening on. To check if a
particular port is being used by a protocol go to the command prompt and
type NETSTAT -a.


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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 4:54 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; Tech - Database
Advisors Inc.
Subject: [AccessD] Serv-U

I am trying to get Serv-U FTP server going on my server here in my office.
The install was simple and just worked.  It works just fine inside of my
network, using ftp://192.168.122.106 (the server IP address) but I cannot
see it going out to the internet and coming back in.  I have a dlink 624 (I
think) router, in which I have forwarded ports 20 and 21 to 192.168.122.106.
I just cannot see the server, from my laptop, going out and back in.

One of my tech assists suggested that my ISP might be blocking port 20/21,
so I set up the server to look for the ftp at 59999 and then used :59999 at
the end to try and force contact at that port.  That does not work either.

Can anyone suggest how to test this thing, coming in from the outside?  If
anyone out there knows this stuff, and in particular has experience with
Serv-U, can you assist me in getting this working.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Wed Aug  3 12:27:07 2005
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (DWUTKA at marlow.com)
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 12:27:07 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] Serv-U
Message-ID: <123701F54509D9119A4F00D0B747349016DBD3@main2.marlow.com>

Then if you are truly hitting it from the outside, it is getting blocked by
your ISP.  I'd call and ask why you can't come back into your own computer
from the outside.  Just tell them you want to get stuff from your home
machine when you are at work...

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 12:18 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Serv-U


I have logging on already, but I am not seeing anything that looks like
attempts to hit the FTP port (or the port I set up for port forwarding).

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of DWUTKA at marlow.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 12:03 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Serv-U


Turn the logging on, on your router.  I have a DI-624, and I know it has a
decent logger.  That will let you know what is coming back at it.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 7:45 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; Tech - Database
Advisors Inc.
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Serv-U


All of the machines in my network have Sygate personal firewall installed on
them, but I have unloaded (closed) that on both the server and my laptop
which I am using to test the FTP server.  From my laptop, inside of my
network, I can use IE to go to the server ftp address, see the ftp
directories etc.  I am asked for the username and password by the FTP
server, and once I enter them I can see the directories.  I can send files
from my laptop to the directories for that username.  I can move files into
those directories directly on the server machine, and I can then see them
using IE Explorer and FTPing into that machine (locally).

As for "going out and back in, I use No-IP to discover my IP address
assigned by the cable company.  I then enter that at IE address bar:
ftp://68.198.141.18  Doing that, IE "hangs for a long time", then comes back
and says it can't find the address.

One thing that I have discovered is that the WAN IP address is
192.168.102.100, and the "default gateway" is 192.168.102.1 for the WAN
according to the router, whereas the interior IP group is 192.168.122.1XX -
(100-199).  The LAN IP address is 192.168.122.1  Why is the wan .102.100 and
everything else 122.1xx?

I have no clue what that means, just that is seems strange to me.  

The router is the DHCP server for the network (which is a workgroup) and the
FTP Server is assigned .106 all of the time, with other machines also
assigned specific addresses.  I did this so that I could vnc / remote
desktop in to my LAN from outside and count on getting to specific machines.
I have had all of that working in the past, though I don't guarantee that it
still does.

It seems to me to be an issue with the router, port forwarding and so forth
since I can do everything from inside the network.  OTOH, I don't know that
my request is even getting out to the internet, never mind back in.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Eric Barro
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 8:08 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Serv-U


How are you trying to get back out and into your FTP server? 

Are you trying to get to it using a different machine? 

Check the firewall settings on the machine to see if it is accepting outside
connections for the protocol that FTP is listening on. To check if a
particular port is being used by a protocol go to the command prompt and
type NETSTAT -a.


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Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 4:54 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; Tech - Database
Advisors Inc.
Subject: [AccessD] Serv-U

I am trying to get Serv-U FTP server going on my server here in my office.
The install was simple and just worked.  It works just fine inside of my
network, using ftp://192.168.122.106 (the server IP address) but I cannot
see it going out to the internet and coming back in.  I have a dlink 624 (I
think) router, in which I have forwarded ports 20 and 21 to 192.168.122.106.
I just cannot see the server, from my laptop, going out and back in.

One of my tech assists suggested that my ISP might be blocking port 20/21,
so I set up the server to look for the ftp at 59999 and then used :59999 at
the end to try and force contact at that port.  That does not work either.

Can anyone suggest how to test this thing, coming in from the outside?  If
anyone out there knows this stuff, and in particular has experience with
Serv-U, can you assist me in getting this working.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From greggs at msn.com  Wed Aug  3 13:34:29 2005
From: greggs at msn.com (Gregg)
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 13:34:29 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Memo field parsing
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8689A725@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <BAY103-DAV170E9C2A892FE4C7694012C6C50@phx.gbl>

So, you're saying I need to loop through all the characters until I find the last whole word that will fit on the first line, the same for the second etc. until I determine what text will fit in the first page text field and use what's left for the 2nd page?
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Charlotte Foust<mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com> 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving<mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com> 
  Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 11:02 AM
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] Memo field parsing


  You can't do it by simply counting characters anyhow.  You have to use
  the TextWidth property, which can be expressed as
  reportname.TextWidth(stringvariable) and compare that to the textwidth
  of the control ( reportname.TextWidth(controlobject) or to the maximum
  length you want to display.  You'll also want to allow a padding factor
  to avoid overrunning the  borders of the control and be sure and check
  for carriage returns because they confuse the issue.

  If you want to display 3 "lines", you'll have to break the memo field
  into the first three chunks that will fit into the textwidth of the
  textbox you're using to display the text on that page.

  Charlotte Foust


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  Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 8:43 AM
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Memo field parsing


  Charlotte

  Physical space I think because I don't know how to get from one to the
  other.  The number of characters is going to be dependant on the how
  many characters are lost to word wrapping isn't it?  Is there a way to
  calculate the number of characters that will appear in the first three
  lines?  If I knew that, I could do it.
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Charlotte Foust<mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com<mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com>> 
    To: Access Developers discussion and problem
  solving<mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com<mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com>> 
    Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 10:28 AM
    Subject: RE: [AccessD] Memo field parsing


    Define "first three lines".   Is that a particular number of
  characters
    or a physical space?

    Charlotte Foust


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    Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 7:32 AM
    To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
    Subject: [AccessD] Memo field parsing


    I would like to parse a memo field in a A97 report such that the first
    three lines is on the first page and whatever is left is on the next.
    Any ideas?

    Gregg Steinbrenner
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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Wed Aug  3 14:05:39 2005
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2005 12:05:39 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Menu problems
References: <000601c597fd$7a9a2690$0100000a@GALAXY.local>
Message-ID: <42F11583.2020606@shaw.ca>

Just a couple of guesses to try

CTRL+F11 Toggles between the custom menu bar and the built-in menu bar

There are ways to lose some bits that may require a reinstall of Access
One being, not holding the ctrl key down when dragging items to create a 
customized bar
This does a copy and not a move. A move can get lost.

There is a reset button in Tools Customize Options but I have never had 
to use.


You might try importing all objects to a band new mdb just in case mdb 
corruption is the cause.


You can try toggling the various ToolBars through code
Some are

DoCmd.ShowToolbar "Database", acToolbarYes
DoCmd.ShowToolbar "Menu Bar", acToolbarYes

Function ShowMenu()
On Error Resume Next
    DoCmd.ShowToolBar "Menu Bar", acToolbarYes
End Function

Function HideMenu()
On Error Resume Next
    DoCmd.ShowToolBar "Menu Bar", acToolbarNo
End Function


Function ShowToolBar()
On Error Resume Next
    DoCmd.ShowToolBar "Form View", acToolbarYes
End Function


Function HideToolBar()
On Error Resume Next
    DoCmd.ShowToolBar "Form View", acToolbarNo
End Function


| Marcel Vreuls wrote:

>Hi,
>
>I've got the strangest problem. I have a quit large frontend A2K MDB/MDE. I
>cannot recall since when. I guess about 4 weeks not all menus are visible
>anymore. For example i had a dropdown File menu a view menu and a settings
>menu. The view menu is working fine but the other two show no options
>anymore. Only a grey square like option with no menu options
>anymore!?!?!??!?!?
>
>I have about 300 deployed clients through the country and they are all
>working fine. So no worries now and It seems this problem only occurs on my
>pc and laptop. But it develops and tests very bad.
>
>Thx Marcel
>
>  
>

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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Wed Aug  3 14:44:13 2005
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2005 12:44:13 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Menu problems
References: <000601c597fd$7a9a2690$0100000a@GALAXY.local>
Message-ID: <42F11E8D.8020101@shaw.ca>

This may help too should apply to Access 2000
Restore original toolbar, button, and command settings Access 2003
http://office.microsoft.com/en-ca/assistance/HP051890321033.aspx

or try
Right-click on the menu bar, and select "Customize...".  On the
Customize dialog, select "Menu Bar", then click the "Reset ..." button.
When prompted, confirm that you want to reset the tool bar.


| Marcel Vreuls wrote:

>Hi,
>
>I've got the strangest problem. I have a quit large frontend A2K MDB/MDE. I
>cannot recall since when. I guess about 4 weeks not all menus are visible
>anymore. For example i had a dropdown File menu a view menu and a settings
>menu. The view menu is working fine but the other two show no options
>anymore. Only a grey square like option with no menu options
>anymore!?!?!??!?!?
>
>I have about 300 deployed clients through the country and they are all
>working fine. So no worries now and It seems this problem only occurs on my
>pc and laptop. But it develops and tests very bad.
>
>Thx Marcel
>
>  
>

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From vrm at tim-cms.com  Wed Aug  3 16:00:08 2005
From: vrm at tim-cms.com (| Marcel Vreuls)
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 23:00:08 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Menu problems
In-Reply-To: <42F11583.2020606@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <000e01c5986e$5502d280$0100000a@GALAXY.local>

Marty,

Thanks, pushing the resetbutton and remove usage data button for about 10
times. Start msaccess with the /decompile option my toolbars are
back.....Strano Mavero like italians say or very strange in plain englisch.

Tnxs a lot,

Marcel

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Sent: woensdag 3 augustus 2005 21:06
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Menu problems


Just a couple of guesses to try

CTRL+F11 Toggles between the custom menu bar and the built-in menu bar

There are ways to lose some bits that may require a reinstall of Access
One being, not holding the ctrl key down when dragging items to create a
customized bar
This does a copy and not a move. A move can get lost.

There is a reset button in Tools Customize Options but I have never had
to use.


You might try importing all objects to a band new mdb just in case mdb
corruption is the cause.


You can try toggling the various ToolBars through code
Some are

DoCmd.ShowToolbar "Database", acToolbarYes
DoCmd.ShowToolbar "Menu Bar", acToolbarYes

Function ShowMenu()
On Error Resume Next
    DoCmd.ShowToolBar "Menu Bar", acToolbarYes
End Function

Function HideMenu()
On Error Resume Next
    DoCmd.ShowToolBar "Menu Bar", acToolbarNo
End Function


Function ShowToolBar()
On Error Resume Next
    DoCmd.ShowToolBar "Form View", acToolbarYes
End Function


Function HideToolBar()
On Error Resume Next
    DoCmd.ShowToolBar "Form View", acToolbarNo
End Function


| Marcel Vreuls wrote:

>Hi,
>
>I've got the strangest problem. I have a quit large frontend A2K MDB/MDE. I
>cannot recall since when. I guess about 4 weeks not all menus are visible
>anymore. For example i had a dropdown File menu a view menu and a settings
>menu. The view menu is working fine but the other two show no options
>anymore. Only a grey square like option with no menu options
>anymore!?!?!??!?!?
>
>I have about 300 deployed clients through the country and they are all
>working fine. So no worries now and It seems this problem only occurs on my
>pc and laptop. But it develops and tests very bad.
>
>Thx Marcel
>
>
>

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From kimjwiggins at yahoo.com  Wed Aug  3 16:26:24 2005
From: kimjwiggins at yahoo.com (Kim Wiggins)
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 14:26:24 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Problems with word Automation
In-Reply-To: <20050802225714.76759.qmail@web53604.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20050803212624.16392.qmail@web53605.mail.yahoo.com>

When I try to remove the reference on my computer and try to run the application it errors out.  Shouldn't it run on my system without a reference if I am using late binding like you said?  Should I try to set the reference at runtime with a command that references the appropriate object on the system I am using?  Does anyone know what the syntax is to set the reference at runtime?  Does that mean I need to download msword8.olb and msword9.olb?  If so, where do I get those from?  Here is my code:
 
Private Sub cmdLogEntry_Click()
   ' Declare the variable.
   Dim objWD As Word.Application
   Dim WordDoc As Word.Document
   Dim WordRange As Word.Range
   Dim strPath As String
   Dim strFile As String
   Dim strFile1 As String
   Dim strFile2 As String
   Dim strFile3 As String
   Dim strFile4 As String
   Dim strDate As String
   Dim strDate2 As Variant
   Dim strDate1 As String
   Dim strActions As String
   Dim strActions1 As String
   strDate2 = Null
   
   On Error GoTo SubErr
   ' Set the variable (runs new instance of Word.)
   Set objWD = CreateObject("Word.Application")
   
   'make application visible
   objWD.Application.Visible = True
 
   'Get Path of Current DB
    strPath = frmSplash.strPath
    
   'Strip FileName to Get Path to Doc
    Do
        lngInStr = InStr(lngInStr + 1, strPath, "\")
    Loop While (InStr(lngInStr + 1, strPath, "\") <> 0)
    
    'Get path up to the last ?\?
    strPath = Left(strPath, lngInStr)
    
    'Append document name onto the end of the stripped path
    strFile = strPath & "AirframeTemplate.doc"
    strFile1 = strPath & "RtEngineTemplate.doc"
    strFile2 = strPath & "LtEngineTemplate.doc"
    strFile3 = strPath & "RtPropTemplate.doc"
    strFile4 = strPath & "LtPropTemplate.doc"
    
    'open the word document
    Set doc = objWD.Documents.Open(strFile)

   
Kim Wiggins <kimjwiggins at yahoo.com> wrote:
Thanks so much Marty and Marcel for helping me to understand this better. This is my first attempt at automation. Unfortunately, I will not see this user until Saturday so I can't test it out until then but I will let you know next week if everything went well. Thanks

MartyConnelly wrote:You are using late binding so you don't need any references set to Word, 
which maybe causing the problem
It might be useful to have a reference if using intellisense or looking 
at object browser
but you would remove the reference before deploying with late binding.
With late binding it will grab the highest version of word on the system
You might be using some esoteric part of word say using xml file 
routines that don't exist
in Word 97, so you may want to check the version of word running to 
avoid problems
with lower versions.

On Error Resume Next
' grab word if already running
Set objWord = GetObject(, "Word.Application")
On Error GoTo 0
' or if word not already running error Err.Number = 429 or 
set to nothing
If objWord Is Nothing Then

Set objWord = CreateObject("Word.Application")
Debug.Print objWord.Version

' if Word 97 SP2 then Word Version= 8.0b
' Word 9 opens a separate window for each document.
' Prior to Word 9, all documents opened in the same window.
End If


Kim Wiggins wrote:

>I am using 
>Set objWord = CreateObject("Word.Application")
>
>Do you think that could be the problem?
>Kim
> 
>
>MartyConnelly wrote:
>Are you using early or late binding.
>Set objWord = CreateObject("Word.Application")
>or
>Set objWord = New Word.Application
>Funny things may happen with early binding if newer versions of word 
>installed and then uninstalled.
>
>Kim Wiggins wrote:
>
> 
>
>>Hey everyone
>>Hope all is well. I am not. I coded an automation report in VB6 using Word and it works fine on my work laptop and my laptop at home. But when I install it on the users computer, it gives me the standard application error and shuts down. It says "My_app_name has encountered an error and must close" and then it offers to send a report. Well that is flooring me because it runs in the development environment on both machines just fine. 
>>Can anyone think of anything that I am missing or overlooking?
>>Thanks
>>Kim
>>
>>
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed Aug  3 17:33:09 2005
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 15:33:09 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Memo field parsing
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8689A72A@infoserver01.infostat.local>

No, get the textwidth of the control and see if the textwidth of the
text is greater than that.  Handle the situation where it is not and
everything fits in the first control.  Otherwise get the text that fits
within the control textwidth and use instrRev to find the last space in
that substring.  Break it there.  At that point, you also know the index
of the starting point for the rest of the string, so all you need to do
for the next page is use the Mid(text, index) to put the rest of it into
the second page.

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Gregg [mailto:greggs at msn.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 11:34 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Memo field parsing


So, you're saying I need to loop through all the characters until I find
the last whole word that will fit on the first line, the same for the
second etc. until I determine what text will fit in the first page text
field and use what's left for the 2nd page?
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Charlotte Foust<mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com> 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem
solving<mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com> 
  Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 11:02 AM
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] Memo field parsing


  You can't do it by simply counting characters anyhow.  You have to use
  the TextWidth property, which can be expressed as
  reportname.TextWidth(stringvariable) and compare that to the textwidth
  of the control ( reportname.TextWidth(controlobject) or to the maximum
  length you want to display.  You'll also want to allow a padding
factor
  to avoid overrunning the  borders of the control and be sure and check
  for carriage returns because they confuse the issue.

  If you want to display 3 "lines", you'll have to break the memo field
  into the first three chunks that will fit into the textwidth of the
  textbox you're using to display the text on that page.

  Charlotte Foust


  -----Original Message-----
  From: Gregg [mailto:greggs at msn.com] 
  Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 8:43 AM
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Memo field parsing


  Charlotte

  Physical space I think because I don't know how to get from one to the
  other.  The number of characters is going to be dependant on the how
  many characters are lost to word wrapping isn't it?  Is there a way to
  calculate the number of characters that will appear in the first three
  lines?  If I knew that, I could do it.
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Charlotte
Foust<mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com<mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.co
m>> 
    To: Access Developers discussion and problem
 
solving<mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com<mailto:accessd at databaseadvis
ors.com>> 
    Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 10:28 AM
    Subject: RE: [AccessD] Memo field parsing


    Define "first three lines".   Is that a particular number of
  characters
    or a physical space?

    Charlotte Foust


    -----Original Message-----
    From: Gregg [mailto:greggs at msn.com] 
    Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 7:32 AM
    To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
    Subject: [AccessD] Memo field parsing


    I would like to parse a memo field in a A97 report such that the
first
    three lines is on the first page and whatever is left is on the
next.
    Any ideas?

    Gregg Steinbrenner
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From greggs at msn.com  Wed Aug  3 17:49:20 2005
From: greggs at msn.com (Gregg)
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 17:49:20 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Memo field parsing
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8689A72A@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <BAY103-DAV9BF45769C396DC8C04B05C6C50@phx.gbl>

Thanks Charlotte!  I give it a try.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Charlotte Foust<mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com> 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving<mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com> 
  Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 5:33 PM
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] Memo field parsing


  No, get the textwidth of the control and see if the textwidth of the
  text is greater than that.  Handle the situation where it is not and
  everything fits in the first control.  Otherwise get the text that fits
  within the control textwidth and use instrRev to find the last space in
  that substring.  Break it there.  At that point, you also know the index
  of the starting point for the rest of the string, so all you need to do
  for the next page is use the Mid(text, index) to put the rest of it into
  the second page.

  Charlotte Foust


  -----Original Message-----
  From: Gregg [mailto:greggs at msn.com] 
  Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 11:34 AM
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Memo field parsing


  So, you're saying I need to loop through all the characters until I find
  the last whole word that will fit on the first line, the same for the
  second etc. until I determine what text will fit in the first page text
  field and use what's left for the 2nd page?
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Charlotte Foust<mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com<mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com>> 
    To: Access Developers discussion and problem
  solving<mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com<mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com>> 
    Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 11:02 AM
    Subject: RE: [AccessD] Memo field parsing


    You can't do it by simply counting characters anyhow.  You have to use
    the TextWidth property, which can be expressed as
    reportname.TextWidth(stringvariable) and compare that to the textwidth
    of the control ( reportname.TextWidth(controlobject) or to the maximum
    length you want to display.  You'll also want to allow a padding
  factor
    to avoid overrunning the  borders of the control and be sure and check
    for carriage returns because they confuse the issue.

    If you want to display 3 "lines", you'll have to break the memo field
    into the first three chunks that will fit into the textwidth of the
    textbox you're using to display the text on that page.

    Charlotte Foust


    -----Original Message-----
    From: Gregg [mailto:greggs at msn.com] 
    Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 8:43 AM
    To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
    Subject: Re: [AccessD] Memo field parsing


    Charlotte

    Physical space I think because I don't know how to get from one to the
    other.  The number of characters is going to be dependant on the how
    many characters are lost to word wrapping isn't it?  Is there a way to
    calculate the number of characters that will appear in the first three
    lines?  If I knew that, I could do it.
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: Charlotte
  Foust<mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com<mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.co<mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com<mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.co>
  m>> 
      To: Access Developers discussion and problem
   
  solving<mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com<mailto:accessd at databaseadvis<mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com<mailto:accessd at databaseadvis>
  ors.com>> 
      Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 10:28 AM
      Subject: RE: [AccessD] Memo field parsing


      Define "first three lines".   Is that a particular number of
    characters
      or a physical space?

      Charlotte Foust


      -----Original Message-----
      From: Gregg [mailto:greggs at msn.com] 
      Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 7:32 AM
      To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
      Subject: [AccessD] Memo field parsing


      I would like to parse a memo field in a A97 report such that the
  first
      three lines is on the first page and whatever is left is on the
  next.
      Any ideas?

      Gregg Steinbrenner
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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Wed Aug  3 18:49:56 2005
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2005 16:49:56 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Problems with word Automation
References: <20050803212624.16392.qmail@web53605.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <42F15824.60104@shaw.ca>

  'For early binding with a reference to Word
  ' Dim objWD As Word.Application
  ' Dim WordDoc As Word.Document
  ' Dim WordRange As Word.Range

  'For Late binding without a reference to Word use generic Object

   Dim objWD As Object
   Dim WordDoc As Object
   Dim WordRange As Object
    ' In certain cases using nodes, you may have to use a variant rather than Object

There is a way to handle all this with conditional compile statements
but it is sometimes easier to just add and switch comment out statements 
as needed.


Kim Wiggins wrote:

>When I try to remove the reference on my computer and try to run the application it errors out.  Shouldn't it run on my system without a reference if I am using late binding like you said?  Should I try to set the reference at runtime with a command that references the appropriate object on the system I am using?  Does anyone know what the syntax is to set the reference at runtime?  Does that mean I need to download msword8.olb and msword9.olb?  If so, where do I get those from?  Here is my code:
> 
>Private Sub cmdLogEntry_Click()
>   ' Declare the variable.
>   Dim objWD As Word.Application
>   Dim WordDoc As Word.Document
>   Dim WordRange As Word.Range
>   Dim strPath As String
>   Dim strFile As String
>   Dim strFile1 As String
>   Dim strFile2 As String
>   Dim strFile3 As String
>   Dim strFile4 As String
>   Dim strDate As String
>   Dim strDate2 As Variant
>   Dim strDate1 As String
>   Dim strActions As String
>   Dim strActions1 As String
>   strDate2 = Null
>   
>   On Error GoTo SubErr
>   ' Set the variable (runs new instance of Word.)
>   Set objWD = CreateObject("Word.Application")
>   
>   'make application visible
>   objWD.Application.Visible = True
> 
>   'Get Path of Current DB
>    strPath = frmSplash.strPath
>    
>   'Strip FileName to Get Path to Doc
>    Do
>        lngInStr = InStr(lngInStr + 1, strPath, "\")
>    Loop While (InStr(lngInStr + 1, strPath, "\") <> 0)
>    
>    'Get path up to the last \
>    strPath = Left(strPath, lngInStr)
>    
>    'Append document name onto the end of the stripped path
>    strFile = strPath & "AirframeTemplate.doc"
>    strFile1 = strPath & "RtEngineTemplate.doc"
>    strFile2 = strPath & "LtEngineTemplate.doc"
>    strFile3 = strPath & "RtPropTemplate.doc"
>    strFile4 = strPath & "LtPropTemplate.doc"
>    
>    'open the word document
>    Set doc = objWD.Documents.Open(strFile)
>
>   
>Kim Wiggins <kimjwiggins at yahoo.com> wrote:
>Thanks so much Marty and Marcel for helping me to understand this better. This is my first attempt at automation. Unfortunately, I will not see this user until Saturday so I can't test it out until then but I will let you know next week if everything went well. Thanks
>
>MartyConnelly wrote:You are using late binding so you don't need any references set to Word, 
>which maybe causing the problem
>It might be useful to have a reference if using intellisense or looking 
>at object browser
>but you would remove the reference before deploying with late binding.
>With late binding it will grab the highest version of word on the system
>You might be using some esoteric part of word say using xml file 
>routines that don't exist
>in Word 97, so you may want to check the version of word running to 
>avoid problems
>with lower versions.
>
>On Error Resume Next
>' grab word if already running
>Set objWord = GetObject(, "Word.Application")
>On Error GoTo 0
>' or if word not already running error Err.Number = 429 or 
>set to nothing
>If objWord Is Nothing Then
>
>Set objWord = CreateObject("Word.Application")
>Debug.Print objWord.Version
>
>' if Word 97 SP2 then Word Version= 8.0b
>' Word 9 opens a separate window for each document.
>' Prior to Word 9, all documents opened in the same window.
>End If
>
>
>Kim Wiggins wrote:
>
>  
>
>>I am using 
>>Set objWord = CreateObject("Word.Application")
>>
>>Do you think that could be the problem?
>>Kim
>>
>>
>>MartyConnelly wrote:
>>Are you using early or late binding.
>>Set objWord = CreateObject("Word.Application")
>>or
>>Set objWord = New Word.Application
>>Funny things may happen with early binding if newer versions of word 
>>installed and then uninstalled.
>>
>>Kim Wiggins wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>    
>>
>>>Hey everyone
>>>Hope all is well. I am not. I coded an automation report in VB6 using Word and it works fine on my work laptop and my laptop at home. But when I install it on the users computer, it gives me the standard application error and shuts down. It says "My_app_name has encountered an error and must close" and then it offers to send a report. Well that is flooring me because it runs in the development environment on both machines just fine. 
>>>Can anyone think of anything that I am missing or overlooking?
>>>Thanks
>>>Kim
>>>
>>>
>>>---------------------------------
>>>Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>
>>    
>>
>
>  
>

-- 
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada





From pcantoni at erggroup.com  Wed Aug  3 20:58:07 2005
From: pcantoni at erggroup.com (Paolo Cantoni)
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 09:58:07 +0800
Subject: [AccessD] A2K & Oracle10g via ODBC - wrong Primary Key
Message-ID: <OF7D16779A.44EAA83B-ON48257053.000A30BB-48257053.000AD06E@erggroup.com>

Hi,

I've found a _gotcha_ in using Access 2000 to connect to an Oracle 10g 
database.  I haven't tested this beyond this combination.

It turns out, that if you have more than one unique key defined for an 
Oracle table (at the time you link with ODBC), Access will get confused 
about which is the primary key.  Accordingly, it will mark ALL the rows 
and columns as #Deleted.

It can be worked around by splitting the table definition and loading 
process in two... First declare the table with only a primary key, link to 
it with Access, then add the rest of the table definitions (other unique 
constraints, foreign keys etc...)

Seems to work "without loss of generality" UNTIL you re-link! 

Anyone else observed this or got a fix (as opposed to a workaround).

Thanx,

            Paolo Cantoni, Data Architect
ERG Group
247 Balcatta Road Balcatta WA 6021 Australia
Tel: + 61 8 9273 1287 Fax: +61 8 9273 1535
Email: pcantoni at erggroup.com Website: www.erggroup.com
There is no such thing as an inconsistently correct system...
...Therefore, aim for consistency; in the expectation of achieving 
correctness!

From pcantoni at erggroup.com  Wed Aug  3 21:16:45 2005
From: pcantoni at erggroup.com (Paolo Cantoni)
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 10:16:45 +0800
Subject: [AccessD] Cutting down on post clutter...
Message-ID: <OFA8B6D20B.542C606C-ON48257053.000C217C-48257053.000C8528@erggroup.com>

Hi,

I get the digest and it's very hard sometimes to read through 5 pages of 
repeated responses to find the 5 lines of new input...

Can I please ask that posters keep only the relevant bits of previous 
posts?  It takes only a few extra seconds and indicates a degree of 
etiquette - not to mention saving trees and electrons...

Thanx,

            Paolo Cantoni, Data Architect
ERG Group
247 Balcatta Road Balcatta WA 6021 Australia
Tel: + 61 8 9273 1287 Fax: +61 8 9273 1535
Email: pcantoni at erggroup.com Website: www.erggroup.com
There is no such thing as an inconsistently correct system...
...Therefore, aim for consistency; in the expectation of achieving 
correctness!

From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Wed Aug  3 21:46:16 2005
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2005 19:46:16 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Problems with word Automation
References: <20050803212624.16392.qmail@web53605.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <42F18178.6070009@shaw.ca>

Not to worry you will eventualy "grok this" and/or "the penny will drop".

If you want to early bind, you should use the oldest MsWord olb file 
available to your clients and to you.
as Access will upgrade the reference to the latest version available, 
Now this is the way it is supposed to work
But if you have installed Office 2003 trial version of Word on a system 
that has also got Office 97
The trial expires and you remove Office 2003 Word and install Access 
2003 then try and early bind
to Word 97 it will complain about unregistered MSWORD8.OLB
At this point you give up and use late binding also giving up some speed.


I just realized something, that I hadn't understood before.

In VBA the way you specify how the object is bound is by your object 
declaration.
If you declare an object variable as "Object"
you are, in fact, telling Visual Basic to use IDispatch, and are 
therefore late binding:
So either Call method works with early binding
when you set a declared object variable such as Word

Dim objWD As Word.Application
Set objWD = CreateObject("Word.Application")
or
Set objWD = New Word.Application

Also Here is how to do a conditional compile to select early and late 
binding by just switching a constant.


Option Explicit
#Const LateBindWord = False

'look up condition compile in help #IF...THEN ... #Else Directive
'INFO: Using Early Binding and Late Binding in Automation
'http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/kb/245115
'http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?kbid=242375
'PRB: Office 97 Automation Client Fails After Re-compilation with Office 
2000
'or Later Type Library
'http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?kbid=242375
'INFO: Use DISPID Binding to Automate Office Applications Whenever Possible
'http://support.microsoft.com/kb/247579
'INFO: Writing Automation Clients for Multiple Office Versions
'http://support.microsoft.com/kb/244167

Public Sub cmdLogEntry_Click()
' Declare the variable.
#If LateBindWord Then
'For Late binding without a reference to Word olb use generic Object
Dim objWD As Object
Dim WordDoc As Object
Dim WordRange As Object
#Else
'For early binding with a reference to Word
Dim objWD As Word.Application
Dim WordDoc As Word.Document
Dim WordRange As Word.Range
#End If

Dim strPath As String
Dim strFile As String
Dim strFile1 As String
Dim strFile2 As String
Dim strFile3 As String
Dim strFile4 As String
Dim strDate As String
Dim strDate2 As Variant
Dim strDate1 As String
Dim strActions As String
Dim strActions1 As String
strDate2 = Null
'On Error GoTo SubErr
' Set the variable (runs new instance of Word.)

#If LateBindWord Then
Set objWD = CreateObject("Word.Application")
#Else
'Again, in Visual Basic the way you specify how the object is bound is 
by your object declaration.
' If you declare an object variable as "Object"
' you are, in fact, telling Visual Basic to use IDispatch, and are 
therefore late binding:
' So either Call method works and this doesn't matter
Set objWD = CreateObject("Word.Application")
'Set objWD = New Word.Application
#End If

'make application visible
objWD.Application.Visible = True

'Get Path of Current DB
strFile = "C:\Access files\SharePoint\Using Microsoft Windows SharePoint 
Services with the Microsoft Office System.doc"
'open the word document
Set WordDoc = objWD.Documents.Open(strFile)
'blah blah blah
End Sub

Kim Wiggins wrote:

>When I try to remove the reference on my computer and try to run the application it errors out.  Shouldn't it run on my system without a reference if I am using late binding like you said?  Should I try to set the reference at runtime with a command that references the appropriate object on the system I am using?  Does anyone know what the syntax is to set the reference at runtime?  Does that mean I need to download msword8.olb and msword9.olb?  If so, where do I get those from?  Here is my code:
> 
>Private Sub cmdLogEntry_Click()
>   ' Declare the variable.
>   Dim objWD As Word.Application
>   Dim WordDoc As Word.Document
>   Dim WordRange As Word.Range
>   Dim strPath As String
>   Dim strFile As String
>   Dim strFile1 As String
>   Dim strFile2 As String
>   Dim strFile3 As String
>   Dim strFile4 As String
>   Dim strDate As String
>   Dim strDate2 As Variant
>   Dim strDate1 As String
>   Dim strActions As String
>   Dim strActions1 As String
>   strDate2 = Null
>   
>   On Error GoTo SubErr
>   ' Set the variable (runs new instance of Word.)
>   Set objWD = CreateObject("Word.Application")
>   
>   'make application visible
>   objWD.Application.Visible = True
> 
>   'Get Path of Current DB
>    strPath = frmSplash.strPath
>    
>   'Strip FileName to Get Path to Doc
>    Do
>        lngInStr = InStr(lngInStr + 1, strPath, "\")
>    Loop While (InStr(lngInStr + 1, strPath, "\") <> 0)
>    
>    'Get path up to the last \
>    strPath = Left(strPath, lngInStr)
>    
>    'Append document name onto the end of the stripped path
>    strFile = strPath & "AirframeTemplate.doc"
>    strFile1 = strPath & "RtEngineTemplate.doc"
>    strFile2 = strPath & "LtEngineTemplate.doc"
>    strFile3 = strPath & "RtPropTemplate.doc"
>    strFile4 = strPath & "LtPropTemplate.doc"
>    
>    'open the word document
>    Set doc = objWD.Documents.Open(strFile)
>
>   
>Kim Wiggins <kimjwiggins at yahoo.com> wrote:
>Thanks so much Marty and Marcel for helping me to understand this better. This is my first attempt at automation. Unfortunately, I will not see this user until Saturday so I can't test it out until then but I will let you know next week if everything went well. Thanks
>
>MartyConnelly wrote:You are using late binding so you don't need any references set to Word, 
>which maybe causing the problem
>It might be useful to have a reference if using intellisense or looking 
>at object browser
>but you would remove the reference before deploying with late binding.
>With late binding it will grab the highest version of word on the system
>You might be using some esoteric part of word say using xml file 
>routines that don't exist
>in Word 97, so you may want to check the version of word running to 
>avoid problems
>with lower versions.
>
>On Error Resume Next
>' grab word if already running
>Set objWord = GetObject(, "Word.Application")
>On Error GoTo 0
>' or if word not already running error Err.Number = 429 or 
>set to nothing
>If objWord Is Nothing Then
>
>Set objWord = CreateObject("Word.Application")
>Debug.Print objWord.Version
>
>' if Word 97 SP2 then Word Version= 8.0b
>' Word 9 opens a separate window for each document.
>' Prior to Word 9, all documents opened in the same window.
>End If
>
>
>Kim Wiggins wrote:
>
>  
>
>>I am using 
>>Set objWord = CreateObject("Word.Application")
>>
>>Do you think that could be the problem?
>>Kim
>>
>>
>>MartyConnelly wrote:
>>Are you using early or late binding.
>>Set objWord = CreateObject("Word.Application")
>>or
>>Set objWord = New Word.Application
>>Funny things may happen with early binding if newer versions of word 
>>installed and then uninstalled.
>>
>>Kim Wiggins wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>    
>>
>>>Hey everyone
>>>Hope all is well. I am not. I coded an automation report in VB6 using Word and it works fine on my work laptop and my laptop at home. But when I install it on the users computer, it gives me the standard application error and shuts down. It says "My_app_name has encountered an error and must close" and then it offers to send a report. Well that is flooring me because it runs in the development environment on both machines just fine. 
>>>Can anyone think of anything that I am missing or overlooking?
>>>Thanks
>>>Kim
>>>
>>>
>>>---------------------------------
>>>Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>
>>    
>>
>
>  
>

-- 
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada





From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Aug  4 09:58:36 2005
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2005 10:58:36 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Withevents article
Message-ID: <008801c59905$00a18a00$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

I just rediscovered this:

http://vbadvisor.com/doc/13276

Which is a chapter on Withevents / RaiseEvent I wrote for Beginning Access
2002 VBA by Wrox Press.  Anyone looking for an intro to Withevents /
Raisevents might want to look at it.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/




From cyx5 at cdc.gov  Thu Aug  4 10:20:40 2005
From: cyx5 at cdc.gov (Nicholson, Karen)
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 11:20:40 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2003 Reports Not Working
Message-ID: <A5B5AA20555F594BA7B6BD2048E49E4376FD75@m-niosh-5.niosh.cdc.gov>

I have a new user, installed with Access 2003, running my XP database.
All is well, the references are fine, there are no code compilation
issues.  However, she can not open up a report.  If I go to the database
container and click on any report for a report preview, it acts like I
do not exist.  It does nothing.  What's up with this?  I am googling to
no avail.  Thanks.


From Gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Aug  4 10:46:32 2005
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2005 17:46:32 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2003 Reports Not Working
Message-ID: <s2f2549b.049@cactus.dk>

Hi 65

1. Have you tried to install a(nother) printer?

2. Open the report in design view, reassign the printer and save.

/gustav

>>> cyx5 at cdc.gov 08/04 5:20 pm >>>
I have a new user, installed with Access 2003, running my XP database.
All is well, the references are fine, there are no code compilation
issues.  However, she can not open up a report.  If I go to the
database
container and click on any report for a report preview, it acts like I
do not exist.  It does nothing.  What's up with this?  I am googling
to
no avail.  Thanks.



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Aug  4 11:01:04 2005
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2005 12:01:04 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Event sink order
Message-ID: <008901c5990d$b782e2c0$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

When a control's events are sunk in more than one class, the order that
events are sunk (which class gets control first) is determined by the order
that the classes are initialized.  In other words, if Class1 and Class2 sink
events for ComboZ, the class that is initialized LAST gets control FIRST -
IN A2K AND LATER!!!. In A97 the situation is reversed.

In order to test this, I created two classes, Class1 and Class2:

'**************************************************
Option Compare Database
Option Explicit

Const cstrClassName As String = "Class1"

Dim WithEvents mcbo As ComboBox
Const cstrEvProc As String = "[Event Procedure]"

Function Init(cbo As ComboBox)
    Set mcbo = cbo
    mcbo.AfterUpdate = cstrEvProc
End Function

Private Sub mcbo_AfterUpdate()
    debug.print cstrClassName
End Sub

'**************************************************
Option Compare Database
Option Explicit

Const cstrClassName As String = "Class2"

Dim WithEvents mcbo As ComboBox
Const cstrEvProc As String = "[Event Procedure]"

Function Init(cbo As ComboBox)
    Set mcbo = cbo
    mcbo.AfterUpdate = cstrEvProc
End Function

Private Sub mcbo_AfterUpdate()
    debug.print cstrClassName
End Sub

'**************************************************

Notice the only difference between the classes is the string constant that
"names" the class.

I then created a form that uses these two classes:

'**************************************************
Option Compare Database
Option Explicit
Dim fcls1 As Class1
Dim fcls2 As Class2
Private Sub Form_Open(Cancel As Integer)
    Set fcls1 = New Class1
    Set fcls2 = New Class2
    fcls2.Init Combo0
    fcls1.Init Combo0
End Sub

Private Sub Combo0_AfterUpdate()
    debug.print "Form event sink"
End Sub

'**************************************************

The form has a single combo box with a simple list of things to select.

In order to test whether it is the SET statement or the actual
initialization of the class, I SET the classes in order, but INITed the
classes in reverse order.

Opening the form and selecting an item in the combo caused:

Form event sink
Class2
Class1

To be printed in the debug window.

This is in Access2K.  Likewise in XP.

In A97 the OPPOSITE was true, i.e. the class initialized FIRST gets control
first.

I finally ran into a case where the order does matter.  In a client's
application, they use a set of 5 check boxes to denote different attributes
of a claim.  There are dependencies between the checkboxes, dictated by a
set of rules.

Private WithEvents mchkWorkComp As CheckBox
Private WithEvents mchkAutoRelated As CheckBox
Private WithEvents mchkAccident As CheckBox
Private WithEvents mchkIllness As CheckBox
Private WithEvents mchkMaternity As CheckBox

The rules go something like:

A Automobile claim IS an Accident, but NOT an illness.
An Illness is NOT an Accident or auto related 
A maternity claim is not an accident and vice versa

etc. etc.  

I built a class using withevents that sink the click event for these check
boxes, then use the following to "get it right"

Private Sub mchkWorkComp_Click()
    mchkMaternity.Value = False
    RaiseEvent Finished
End Sub
Private Sub mchkAutoRelated_Click()
    mchkAccident.Value = True
    mchkIllness.Value = False
    mchkMaternity.Value = False
    RaiseEvent Finished
End Sub
Private Sub mchkAccident_Click()
    mchkIllness.Value = False
    mchkMaternity.Value = False
    RaiseEvent Finished
End Sub
Private Sub mchkIllness_Click()
    mchkAccident.Value = False
    mchkAutoRelated.Value = False
    RaiseEvent Finished
End Sub
Private Sub mchkMaternity_Click()
    mchkAccident.Value = False
    mchkIllness.Value = True
    mchkAutoRelated.Value = False
    mchkWorkComp.Value = False
    RaiseEvent Finished
End Sub

The problem now is that the Benefit effective date of the policy depends on
just TWO of these check boxes, chkAccident and chkIllness.  I have an entire
class that performs the calculations required to calc the Benefit effective
date, and that class has to sink these two check boxes (accident / illness).
Thus I need the main class that manipulates ALL of the check boxes to gain
control first, get the various check boxes in the desired states, then my
class that calculates the dates needs to get control after the "check box
states" have been determined.

Given that requirement, and what we now know about sink order, I need to
make sure that the main check box class is initialized LAST, so that it gets
control FIRST.  

The order that events are sunk between classes can make a difference in how
you application operates.  If you get it wrong, you may have unintended
consequences that are difficult to track down.  

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/




From bheid at appdevgrp.com  Thu Aug  4 12:23:33 2005
From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid)
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 13:23:33 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Withevents article
In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30C4CD82@ADGSERVER>
Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30ABEDF1@ADGSERVER>

Thanks John.  I'll check it out.

Bobby

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 10:59 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Withevents article


I just rediscovered this:

http://vbadvisor.com/doc/13276

Which is a chapter on Withevents / RaiseEvent I wrote for Beginning Access
2002 VBA by Wrox Press.  Anyone looking for an intro to Withevents /
Raisevents might want to look at it.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 



From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com  Thu Aug  4 14:15:40 2005
From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester)
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 14:15:40 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Table locked
Message-ID: <F1DD538AE6BCE74EBE562DE51564D322F33497@houexch1.kindermorgan.com>

I have a database on my local C drive. When it opens it runs an autoexec
macro to run a query to make a table. I get a message that the table can
not be opened exclusively. How can this be and how do I determine what
has the table open? I have tried compacting and repairing and opening
the database exclusively with no success. Thanks.

 

Chester Kaup

Engineering Technician

Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP

Office (432) 688-3797

 

No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However a large
number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced.

FAX (432) 688-3799

 



From Susan.Klos at fldoe.org  Thu Aug  4 14:28:44 2005
From: Susan.Klos at fldoe.org (Klos, Susan)
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 15:28:44 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] "Find" combo box searches more than one table
Message-ID: <D78B10E8D3277D42B76BD76569E524170124633B@MAIL2.FLDOE.INT>

Is it possible to construct a "find" combo box that will search through
more than one table in the database?

 

Susan Klos

Senior Database Analyst

Evaluation and Reporting

Florida Department of Education

850-245-0708 

sc 205-0708

 



From rbgajewski at adelphia.net  Thu Aug  4 14:40:05 2005
From: rbgajewski at adelphia.net (Bob Gajewski)
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 15:40:05 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] A2K Unbound field on report error
In-Reply-To: <013801c56bf1$23408b10$0100a8c0@RazvojErvin>
Message-ID: <20050804194009.HCLV24042.mta11.adelphia.net@DG1P2N21>

Dear List

We have a report that prints one membership card at a time. I am probably
missing the most obvious thing here, but I just can't get this report to
print. I keep receiving:

-----------------------------------------------------

Run-time error; '2465'

Microsoft Access can't find the field 'Firefighter'
referred to in your expression.

-----------------------------------------------------

Any assistance or guidance would be most appreciated.

Thanks,

Bob Gajewski, Assistant Chief (and db Administrator)
Wales Center Volunteer Fire Company



Details:

rptMembershipCard
Source: qryMembershipCard
Fields:
  MemberNumber (bound to query field 'MemberNumber')
  txtFullName (bound to query field 'txtFullName')
  txtClass (unbound)
  // other fields have been not included here as they are not related to the
problem

qryMembershipCard
Source: tblMembers
Selected Fields:
  MemberNumber // using prompt to select one record
  txtFullName = [FirstName] & IIf(IsNull([MiddleInitial]),""," " &
[MiddleInitial] & ",") & " " & [LastName]
  booFirefighter
  booEMSProvider
  booFirePolice
  // other fields have been not included here as they are not related to the
problem

The CBF is:

***************** CODE BEGIN ************************
Private Sub Detail_Format(Cancel As Integer, FormatCount As Integer)

Dim booFirstClass As Boolean

booFirstClass = True

txtClass = ""

If [Firefighter] = True Then
    If booFirstClass = True Then
        txtClass = "Firefighter"
        booFirstClass = False
    Else
        txtClass = " " & "Firefighter"
    End If
End If
If [EMSProvider] = True Then
    If booFirstClass = True Then
        txtClass = "EMS Provider"
        booFirstClass = False
    Else
        txtClass = "," & "EMS Provider"
    End If
End If
If [FirePolice] = True Then
    If booFirstClass = True Then
        txtClass = "Fire Police"
        booFirstClass = False
    Else
        txtClass = "," & "Fire Police"
    End If
End If

If IsNull([txtClass]) Or [txtClass] = "" Then
    lblClass.Visible = False
End If
End Sub
****************** CODE END *************************



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Ervin Brindza
Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 02:13 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Insert Access Info Into Web page

Adam,
try to find an article in the Database Journal:
Convert Access Tables Into ASP Web Pages by Danny Lesandrini HTH,

    Ervin

----- Original Message -----
From: "MartyConnelly" <martyconnelly at shaw.ca>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 6:41 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Insert Access Info Into Web page


>
> Here are a few good ASP sites:
> o ASP101 Samples - http://www.asp101.com/samples o W3Schools ASP 
> Tutorial - http://www.w3schools.com/asp o Microsoft VBScript Language 
> Reference - 
> http://msdn.microsoft.com/scri-pting/default.htm?/scripting/V-BScript/d...
>
> There are several 100 dollar asp IIS Access solutions like
>
> http://www.access2asp.com/
>
> Or for a "quick and dirty" generic ASP open source solution to putting 
> databases on the Web (often works well for the admin area of a Web 
> site) that just requires setting up a configuration page for each 
> table or query and uploading the database to the Web as long as there 
> is an autonumber field in each table (and you'll probably also 
> separately want to create login capabilities), perhaps try something like
this:
> GenericDB by Eli Robillard. It has been around for 7 years and is used 
> in a lot of university labs.
> http://www.genericdb.com and then click on the Tips link to see an 
> example
>
>
> Mail List at
> http://aspadvice.com/SignUp/list.aspx?l=63&c=11
>
> Res-Com Environmental wrote:
>
> >Dear List:
> >
> >Is there a way that Access information (such as names and addresses) 
> >can
be
> >inserted into a website's form fields? We are trying to use a 
> >businesses website that doesn't offer special connections so we have 
> >to manually
enter
> >information from our database.
> >
> >Adam
> >ResCom
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> Marty Connelly
> Victoria, B.C.
> Canada
>
>
>
> --
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> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Thu Aug  4 14:49:05 2005
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 14:49:05 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Workgroup File Corrupt?
Message-ID: <000001c5992d$941417d0$0200a8c0@danwaters>

I recently had a client tell me that something went wrong with their
workgroup file.  The restored from a backup and all was OK.  I wasn't there
so I don't know more than that.

 

Has anyone had the experience where a workgroup file became corrupt?

 

Thanks,

Dan Waters

 



From adtp at touchtelindia.net  Thu Aug  4 14:57:38 2005
From: adtp at touchtelindia.net (A.D.Tejpal)
Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 01:27:38 +0530
Subject: [AccessD] Memo field parsing
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8689A72A@infoserver01.infostat.lo
	cal> <BAY103-DAV9BF45769C396DC8C04B05C6C50@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <007f01c5992e$f3bca8e0$ce1865cb@winxp>

Gregg,

    For sake of demonstration, let the source table named T_Memo consist of two fields, named ID (primary key - Autonumber) and Mem (memo type). 

    Create another table, named T_MemRef, with just one field named Ref (number type). Populate this table with just two records, with values 1 and 2 respectively. Query Q_Memo as given below, should be used as record source for your report. It involves Cartesian join between tables T_Memo and T_MemRef. 

    In detail section of your report, drag Mem and Ref from the field list, so as to create bound controls named Mem and Ref. Make these controls hidden, set their CanGrow property to "No" and position the same un-obtrusively. Insert an unbound text box named TxtMemo. This is the text box that would actually display the contents of memo field. Set the width and fonts as desired. Set the CanGrow property of this control as well as the detail section as a whole, to "Yes".

    In VBA window, put the code given below, in Detail_Format event of the report. Make sure that the item "On Format" in Event tab of properties dialog box shows [Event Procedure] against it.

    Now, when you run the report, first three lines of the memo field will get displayed on first page and the balance portion on the next page. Similar pattern would get repeated for all records.
    
Best wishes,
A.D.Tejpal
--------------

Source Query for the report (Q_Memo)
=====================================
SELECT T_Memo.ID, T_MemRef.Ref, T_Memo.Mem
FROM T_Memo, T_MemRef
ORDER BY T_Memo.ID, T_MemRef.Ref;
=====================================

Code in Report's Module
=====================================
Private Sub Detail_Format(Cancel As Integer, _
                                        FormatCount As Integer)
    Dim Wd As Long, Rw As Single, Mgn As Long
    Dim LenMem As Long, Txt As String, Lft As Long
    Dim LastSpace As Long, MaxRowsFirstPart
    Dim Mpf As Single
    
    MaxRowsFirstPart = 3
    LenMem = Len(Mem)
    If LenMem > 0 Then
    Else
        Exit Sub
    End If
    
    With Me
        ' Set the scale mode to twips
        .ScaleMode = 1
        ' Set Font values for report to match those of memo field.
        .FontName = TxtMemo.FontName
        .FontSize = TxtMemo.FontSize
        If TxtMemo.FontBold <> 0 Then
            .FontBold = True
        Else
            .FontBold = False
        End If
    End With
    
    ' Allow for necessary margin within a text box
    ' (Between its border and the content)
    Mgn = 170     ' This value may need fine tuning for
                            ' best results
    ' Get effective width of control meant for
    ' displaying memo field
    Wd = TxtMemo.Width - Mgn
    ' Get the number of characters so as to make-up the
    ' required number of rows for first part of memo field.
    For Lft = 1 To LenMem
        Txt = Left(Mem, Lft)
        LastSpace = IIf(Right(Txt, 1) = " ", Lft, LastSpace)
        Rw = TextWidth(Txt) / Wd
        If Rw > MaxRowsFirstPart Then
            Lft = Lft - 1
            Exit For
        End If
    Next
    Debug.Print Lft; ", "; LastSpace
    
    ' Get Multiplying factor for acceptable max location
    ' of last space.
    Mpf = (0.8 + (MaxRowsFirstPart - 1)) / MaxRowsFirstPart
    
    ' Shorten the first part to nearest space
    ' (if within 20 % of the end of line)
    If LastSpace > Mpf * Lft And LastSpace < Lft Then
        Lft = LastSpace
    End If
    
    ' Populate the unbound text box with appropriate
    ' part of memo field.
    If Ref = 1 Then
        TxtMemo = Left(Mem, Lft)
        ' Force New Page - Afer section, only if memo
        ' field contents not yet finished
        If LenMem > Lft Then
            Detail.ForceNewPage = 2
        Else
            Detail.ForceNewPage = 0   ' No break
        End If
    Else
        TxtMemo = Mid(Mem, Lft + 1)
        ' Force New Page - Afer section
        Detail.ForceNewPage = 2
    End If
End Sub
=====================================

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Gregg 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
  Cc: Robert Penn 
  Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 04:19
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Memo field parsing


  Thanks Charlotte!  I give it a try.

    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Charlotte Foust<mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com> 
    To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving<mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com> 
    Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 5:33 PM
    Subject: RE: [AccessD] Memo field parsing

    No, get the textwidth of the control and see if the textwidth of the text is greater than that.  Handle the situation where it is not and everything fits in the first control.  Otherwise get the text that fits within the control textwidth and use instrRev to find the last space in that substring.  Break it there.  

  At that point, you also know the index of the starting point for the rest of the string, so all you need to do for the next page is use the Mid(text, index) to put the rest of it into the second page.

  Charlotte Foust

    -----Original Message-----
    From: Gregg [mailto:greggs at msn.com] 
    Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 11:34 AM
    To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
    Subject: Re: [AccessD] Memo field parsing


    So, you're saying I need to loop through all the characters until I find
    the last whole word that will fit on the first line, the same for the
    second etc. until I determine what text will fit in the first page text
    field and use what's left for the 2nd page?
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: Charlotte Foust<mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com<mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com>> 
      To: Access Developers discussion and problem
    solving<mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com<mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com>> 
      Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 11:02 AM
      Subject: RE: [AccessD] Memo field parsing


      You can't do it by simply counting characters anyhow.  You have to use
      the TextWidth property, which can be expressed as
      reportname.TextWidth(stringvariable) and compare that to the textwidth
      of the control ( reportname.TextWidth(controlobject) or to the maximum
      length you want to display.  You'll also want to allow a padding
    factor
      to avoid overrunning the  borders of the control and be sure and check
      for carriage returns because they confuse the issue.

      If you want to display 3 "lines", you'll have to break the memo field
      into the first three chunks that will fit into the textwidth of the
      textbox you're using to display the text on that page.

      Charlotte Foust


      -----Original Message-----
      From: Gregg [mailto:greggs at msn.com] 
      Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 8:43 AM
      To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
      Subject: Re: [AccessD] Memo field parsing


      Charlotte

      Physical space I think because I don't know how to get from one to the
      other.  The number of characters is going to be dependant on the how
      many characters are lost to word wrapping isn't it?  Is there a way to
      calculate the number of characters that will appear in the first three
      lines?  If I knew that, I could do it.
        ----- Original Message ----- 
        From: Charlotte
    Foust<mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com<mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.co<mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com<mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.co>
    m>> 
        To: Access Developers discussion and problem
     
    solving<mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com<mailto:accessd at databaseadvis<mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com<mailto:accessd at databaseadvis>
    ors.com>> 
        Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 10:28 AM
        Subject: RE: [AccessD] Memo field parsing


        Define "first three lines".   Is that a particular number of
      characters
        or a physical space?

        Charlotte Foust


        -----Original Message-----
        From: Gregg [mailto:greggs at msn.com] 
        Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 7:32 AM
        To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
        Subject: [AccessD] Memo field parsing

        I would like to parse a memo field in a A97 report such that the first three lines is on the first page and whatever is left is on the next.
        Any ideas?

        Gregg Steinbrenner
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From RRANTHON at sentara.com  Thu Aug  4 14:59:23 2005
From: RRANTHON at sentara.com (Randall R Anthony)
Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2005 15:59:23 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Workgroup File Corrupt?
Message-ID: <200508041959.j74JxlR29332@databaseadvisors.com>

Oh, yeah.  That's why I always backed up a copy when it was updated and
saved it to a secure folder hidden away from everybody.  The .mdw is
just another Access database and subject to the same quirky stuff.

>>> dwaters at usinternet.com 08/04/05 3:49 PM >>>
I recently had a client tell me that something went wrong with their
workgroup file.  The restored from a backup and all was OK.  I wasn't
there
so I don't know more than that.

 

Has anyone had the experience where a workgroup file became corrupt?

 

Thanks,

Dan Waters

 

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From vrm at tim-cms.com  Thu Aug  4 15:10:41 2005
From: vrm at tim-cms.com (| Marcel Vreuls)
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 22:10:41 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Workgroup File Corrupt?
In-Reply-To: <000001c5992d$941417d0$0200a8c0@danwaters>
Message-ID: <001201c59930$9755f500$0100000a@GALAXY.local>

Dan,

Yes i had it reproduced a few times

- when a network error occurs or server (not workstations) falls out and
users are still logged in or where in the middel of a batch transaction.
- when a backup proces is running during work time with  Backup Exec from
veritas and users are still logged in
- users have no delete rights so the workgroup file keeps growing. It onces
was 92MB in our case with 150 users logged in on a daily basis. From then I
wrote a program that run at night and compresses the workgroup file.

Gr. marcel

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: donderdag 4 augustus 2005 21:49
To: 'Database Advisors'
Subject: [AccessD] Workgroup File Corrupt?


I recently had a client tell me that something went wrong with their
workgroup file.  The restored from a backup and all was OK.  I wasn't there
so I don't know more than that.



Has anyone had the experience where a workgroup file became corrupt?



Thanks,

Dan Waters



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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu Aug  4 15:20:55 2005
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 13:20:55 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] "Find" combo box searches more than one table
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86873B82@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Sorry, but I don't understand the question.  A "find" combobox works on
a form and you populate it with a list that has some relationship to the
current recordset of the form.  Then you use the indicated record to
move in that recordset.  I can't see how (or why) you would use a find
combo to look somewhere other than in the form's recordset.

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Klos, Susan [mailto:Susan.Klos at fldoe.org] 
Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 12:29 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] "Find" combo box searches more than one table


Is it possible to construct a "find" combo box that will search through
more than one table in the database?

 

Susan Klos

Senior Database Analyst

Evaluation and Reporting

Florida Department of Education

850-245-0708 

sc 205-0708

 

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From vrm at tim-cms.com  Thu Aug  4 15:36:26 2005
From: vrm at tim-cms.com (| Marcel Vreuls)
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 22:36:26 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Gui for menu
In-Reply-To: <001201c59930$9755f500$0100000a@GALAXY.local>
Message-ID: <001b01c59935$c4672e60$0100000a@GALAXY.local>

Hi,

Does anyone use a nice menu solution/activex control they use for working
with a panel menu within access. I am looking for a solution to create a
menu with panels like the control panel menu in the XP configuration.

Tnx, marcel



From dmcafee at pacbell.net  Thu Aug  4 15:52:01 2005
From: dmcafee at pacbell.net (David Mcafee)
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 13:52:01 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] A2K Unbound field on report error
In-Reply-To: <20050804194009.HCLV24042.mta11.adelphia.net@DG1P2N21>
Message-ID: <20050804205202.15722.qmail@web80807.mail.yahoo.com>

I would say it is a misspell somewhere. Check other
places like querires and functions that may be called.

have you tried stepping through in debug?

David

--- Bob Gajewski <rbgajewski at adelphia.net> wrote:

> Dear List
> 
> We have a report that prints one membership card at
> a time. I am probably
> missing the most obvious thing here, but I just
> can't get this report to
> print. I keep receiving:
> 
>
-----------------------------------------------------
> 
> Run-time error; '2465'
> 
> Microsoft Access can't find the field 'Firefighter'
> referred to in your expression.
> 
>
-----------------------------------------------------
> 
> Any assistance or guidance would be most
> appreciated.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Bob Gajewski, Assistant Chief (and db Administrator)
> Wales Center Volunteer Fire Company
> 
> 
> 
> Details:
> 
> rptMembershipCard
> Source: qryMembershipCard
> Fields:
>   MemberNumber (bound to query field 'MemberNumber')
>   txtFullName (bound to query field 'txtFullName')
>   txtClass (unbound)
>   // other fields have been not included here as
> they are not related to the
> problem
> 
> qryMembershipCard
> Source: tblMembers
> Selected Fields:
>   MemberNumber // using prompt to select one record
>   txtFullName = [FirstName] &
> IIf(IsNull([MiddleInitial]),""," " &
> [MiddleInitial] & ",") & " " & [LastName]
>   booFirefighter
>   booEMSProvider
>   booFirePolice
>   // other fields have been not included here as
> they are not related to the
> problem
> 
> The CBF is:
> 
> ***************** CODE BEGIN
> ************************
> Private Sub Detail_Format(Cancel As Integer,
> FormatCount As Integer)
> 
> Dim booFirstClass As Boolean
> 
> booFirstClass = True
> 
> txtClass = ""
> 
> If [Firefighter] = True Then
>     If booFirstClass = True Then
>         txtClass = "Firefighter"
>         booFirstClass = False
>     Else
>         txtClass = " " & "Firefighter"
>     End If
> End If
> If [EMSProvider] = True Then
>     If booFirstClass = True Then
>         txtClass = "EMS Provider"
>         booFirstClass = False
>     Else
>         txtClass = "," & "EMS Provider"
>     End If
> End If
> If [FirePolice] = True Then
>     If booFirstClass = True Then
>         txtClass = "Fire Police"
>         booFirstClass = False
>     Else
>         txtClass = "," & "Fire Police"
>     End If
> End If
> 
> If IsNull([txtClass]) Or [txtClass] = "" Then
>     lblClass.Visible = False
> End If
> End Sub
> ****************** CODE END
> *************************
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On
> Behalf Of Ervin Brindza
> Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 02:13 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Insert Access Info Into Web
> page
> 
> Adam,
> try to find an article in the Database Journal:
> Convert Access Tables Into ASP Web Pages by Danny
> Lesandrini HTH,
> 
>     Ervin
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "MartyConnelly" <martyconnelly at shaw.ca>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem
> solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 6:41 PM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Insert Access Info Into Web
> page
> 
> 
> >
> > Here are a few good ASP sites:
> > o ASP101 Samples - http://www.asp101.com/samples o
> W3Schools ASP 
> > Tutorial - http://www.w3schools.com/asp o
> Microsoft VBScript Language 
> > Reference - 
> >
>
http://msdn.microsoft.com/scri-pting/default.htm?/scripting/V-BScript/d...
> >
> > There are several 100 dollar asp IIS Access
> solutions like
> >
> > http://www.access2asp.com/
> >
> > Or for a "quick and dirty" generic ASP open source
> solution to putting 
> > databases on the Web (often works well for the
> admin area of a Web 
> > site) that just requires setting up a
> configuration page for each 
> > table or query and uploading the database to the
> Web as long as there 
> > is an autonumber field in each table (and you'll
> probably also 
> > separately want to create login capabilities),
> perhaps try something like
> this:
> > GenericDB by Eli Robillard. It has been around for
> 7 years and is used 
> > in a lot of university labs.
> > http://www.genericdb.com and then click on the
> Tips link to see an 
> > example
> >
> >
> > Mail List at
> > http://aspadvice.com/SignUp/list.aspx?l=63&c=11
> >
> > Res-Com Environmental wrote:
> >
> > >Dear List:
> > >
> > >Is there a way that Access information (such as
> names and addresses) 
> > >can
> be
> > >inserted into a website's form fields? We are
> trying to use a 
> > >businesses website that doesn't offer special
> connections so we have 
> > >to manually
> enter
> > >information from our database.
> > >
> > >Adam
> > >ResCom
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > --
> > Marty Connelly
> > Victoria, B.C.
> > Canada
> >
> >
> >
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> >
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> 
=== message truncated ===



From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Aug  4 16:02:19 2005
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 05 Aug 2005 07:02:19 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] A2K Unbound field on report error
In-Reply-To: <20050804194009.HCLV24042.mta11.adelphia.net@DG1P2N21>
References: <013801c56bf1$23408b10$0100a8c0@RazvojErvin>
Message-ID: <42F30EFB.26924.18DAF76F@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

I've trimmed the two long messages irrelevant messages  and three list 
footers from the  end of your post :-(



On 4 Aug 2005 at 15:40, Bob Gajewski wrote:

> 
> Microsoft Access can't find the field 'Firefighter'
> referred to in your expression.
> 
.....
>   booFirefighter
>   booEMSProvider
>   booFirePolice
....
> If [Firefighter] = True Then
.....
> If [EMSProvider] = True Then
....
> If [FirePolice] = True Then

You call the field and presumably a control in your report "booFirefighter" 
etc, but test for "Firefighter" without the prefix "boo"



-- 
Stuart




From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu Aug  4 16:02:44 2005
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 14:02:44 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Gui for menu
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86873B83@infoserver01.infostat.local>

The control panel is made up of applets, so I suspect it would be hard
to create its equivalent in Access.  If you don't want to go that far,
you might take a look at the A Better Switchboard product offered from
Peter's Software:  http://www.peterssoftware.com/abs.htm

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: | Marcel Vreuls [mailto:vrm at tim-cms.com] 
Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 1:36 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Gui for menu


Hi,

Does anyone use a nice menu solution/activex control they use for
working with a panel menu within access. I am looking for a solution to
create a menu with panels like the control panel menu in the XP
configuration.

Tnx, marcel

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From rgajewski at wcvfc.org  Thu Aug  4 16:14:58 2005
From: rgajewski at wcvfc.org (Asst. Chief R. Gajewski)
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 17:14:58 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] A2K Unbound field on report error
In-Reply-To: <42F30EFB.26924.18DAF76F@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <20050804211501.JGNW19267.mta10.adelphia.net@DG1P2N21>

Thanks, Stuart, but that's just a typo in my email. The code actually tests
for boo...

Regards,
Bob

 

-----Modified Message-----

> I've trimmed the two long messages irrelevant messages  and three list
footers from the  end of your post :-(

> 
> Microsoft Access can't find the field 'Firefighter'
> referred to in your expression.
> 
.....
>   booFirefighter
>   booEMSProvider
>   booFirePolice
....
> If [booFirefighter] = True Then
.....
> If [booEMSProvider] = True Then
....
> If [booFirePolice] = True Then





From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Aug  4 16:30:12 2005
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 05 Aug 2005 07:30:12 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] A2K Unbound field on report error
In-Reply-To: <20050804211501.JGNW19267.mta10.adelphia.net@DG1P2N21>
References: <42F30EFB.26924.18DAF76F@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <42F31584.29011.18F4806B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

On 4 Aug 2005 at 17:14, Asst. Chief R. Gajewski wrote:

> Thanks, Stuart, but that's just a typo in my email. The code actually tests
> for boo...
> 

Have you got bound controls (checkboxes?)  on the report called boo..... ?

If not, insert them and set their .visible property to false.

-- 
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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Thu Aug  4 17:29:17 2005
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2005 15:29:17 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Gui for menu
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86873B83@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <42F296BD.7040905@shaw.ca>

Well I know how this code from Peter is done. it is a treeview in the 
left pane and multiple subforms on the right
selection triggered by tags on the nodes. I am trying to use this method 
just now for displaying records taxonomy.
It does wonders on certain types of hierarchical data
I poached this method from Rebbeca Riordan. There is a downloadable mdb 
here
Along with the Smart Access article
It might be cheaper to buy Peter's unlimited license than try and 
rewrite Rebbeca's code to fit.
"Be still my beating heart" it does get complex with multiple subforms 
unless writing to a fixed pattern.

http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/en-us/dnsmart04/html/sa04k6.asp?frame=true

In the article she states

 all you need to do to implement an Explorer-style form in Microsoft Access.
The sample application uses simple sub-forms created using the form 
wizard for display of the product and beverage
details, but the detail forms can be arbitrarily complex. You can 
include tabs, nested subforms, whatever is required
for your application.
In fact, you can use this same basic structure as the primary navigation 
mechanism for your application instead of a
Switchboard. Just replace the data hierarchy in the TreeView with the 
hierarchy of functions in your application. You
can even store the functional hierarchy in one or more tables to allow 
the application to be configured at runtime.
Just store the name of the pane as a field, and load it at runtime.
Even though Microsoft Access doesn't support it directly, the 
Explorer-style form architecture is straightforward to
implement using the TreeView Common Control. This architecture displays 
much of the same information as a more
traditional Access form with the sub-form in datasheet view, but it's 
more effective when the user wants or needs to
see a list of the items at all levels of the hierarchy. This isn't 
common during data entry, but it's extremely useful
when browsing and maintaining information.


Charlotte Foust wrote:

>The control panel is made up of applets, so I suspect it would be hard
>to create its equivalent in Access.  If you don't want to go that far,
>you might take a look at the A Better Switchboard product offered from
>Peter's Software:  http://www.peterssoftware.com/abs.htm
>
>Charlotte Foust
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: | Marcel Vreuls [mailto:vrm at tim-cms.com] 
>Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 1:36 PM
>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>Subject: [AccessD] Gui for menu
>
>
>Hi,
>
>Does anyone use a nice menu solution/activex control they use for
>working with a panel menu within access. I am looking for a solution to
>create a menu with panels like the control panel menu in the XP
>configuration.
>
>Tnx, marcel
>
>  
>

-- 
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Victoria, B.C.
Canada





From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Thu Aug  4 17:53:06 2005
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2005 15:53:06 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Table locked
References: <F1DD538AE6BCE74EBE562DE51564D322F33497@houexch1.kindermorgan.com>
Message-ID: <42F29C52.9010200@shaw.ca>

Check If the mdb file isn't set to readonly or the associated ldb file 
isn't still open (This can be safely
deleted if all users are out of the database) otherwise
you might import all the Access objects to a new clean database to avoid 
any corruption.
This corruption can be common on Access 2000 mdb's without SP-3

Corrupt Microsoft Access MDBs FAQ
http://www.granite.ab.ca/access/corruptmdbs.htm

Kaup, Chester wrote:

>I have a database on my local C drive. When it opens it runs an autoexec
>macro to run a query to make a table. I get a message that the table can
>not be opened exclusively. How can this be and how do I determine what
>has the table open? I have tried compacting and repairing and opening
>the database exclusively with no success. Thanks.
>
> 
>
>Chester Kaup
>
>Engineering Technician
>
>Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP
>
>Office (432) 688-3797
>
> 
>
>No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However a large
>number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced.
>
>FAX (432) 688-3799
>
> 
>
>  
>

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Victoria, B.C.
Canada





From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu Aug  4 18:05:29 2005
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 16:05:29 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Gui for menu
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86873B85@infoserver01.infostat.local>

It may very well be.  I have the entire suite but haven't really
explored it, since I won it. <g>  In any case, it isn't the direct
equivalent of the control panel cpl files, even if it might look
similar, and I was replying literally.

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: MartyConnelly [mailto:martyconnelly at shaw.ca] 
Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 3:29 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Gui for menu


Well I know how this code from Peter is done. it is a treeview in the 
left pane and multiple subforms on the right
selection triggered by tags on the nodes. I am trying to use this method

just now for displaying records taxonomy.
It does wonders on certain types of hierarchical data
I poached this method from Rebbeca Riordan. There is a downloadable mdb 
here
Along with the Smart Access article
It might be cheaper to buy Peter's unlimited license than try and 
rewrite Rebbeca's code to fit.
"Be still my beating heart" it does get complex with multiple subforms 
unless writing to a fixed pattern.

http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/en-us/dnsmart04/html/sa04k6.asp?frame=
true

In the article she states

 all you need to do to implement an Explorer-style form in Microsoft
Access. The sample application uses simple sub-forms created using the
form 
wizard for display of the product and beverage
details, but the detail forms can be arbitrarily complex. You can 
include tabs, nested subforms, whatever is required
for your application.
In fact, you can use this same basic structure as the primary navigation

mechanism for your application instead of a
Switchboard. Just replace the data hierarchy in the TreeView with the 
hierarchy of functions in your application. You
can even store the functional hierarchy in one or more tables to allow 
the application to be configured at runtime.
Just store the name of the pane as a field, and load it at runtime. Even
though Microsoft Access doesn't support it directly, the 
Explorer-style form architecture is straightforward to implement using
the TreeView Common Control. This architecture displays 
much of the same information as a more
traditional Access form with the sub-form in datasheet view, but it's 
more effective when the user wants or needs to
see a list of the items at all levels of the hierarchy. This isn't 
common during data entry, but it's extremely useful
when browsing and maintaining information.


Charlotte Foust wrote:

>The control panel is made up of applets, so I suspect it would be hard 
>to create its equivalent in Access.  If you don't want to go that far, 
>you might take a look at the A Better Switchboard product offered from 
>Peter's Software:  http://www.peterssoftware.com/abs.htm
>
>Charlotte Foust
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: | Marcel Vreuls [mailto:vrm at tim-cms.com]
>Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 1:36 PM
>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>Subject: [AccessD] Gui for menu
>
>
>Hi,
>
>Does anyone use a nice menu solution/activex control they use for 
>working with a panel menu within access. I am looking for a solution to

>create a menu with panels like the control panel menu in the XP 
>configuration.
>
>Tnx, marcel
>
>  
>

-- 
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Victoria, B.C.
Canada



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From KP at sdsonline.net  Thu Aug  4 18:33:36 2005
From: KP at sdsonline.net (Kath Pelletti)
Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 09:33:36 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] "Find" combo box searches more than one table
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86873B82@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <004201c5994c$f0489520$6601a8c0@user>

Maybe Susan means that the users would like to have a 'search function' which will find something anywhere in the database.

I have had that request before, eg. for a database that tracked travel agent wholesalers, travel agent retailers, suppliers, clients etc. Users would get an inquiry from someone and wanted to type in their name and find all instances anywhere in the system.

It depends whether you need to populate a combo or not. In my case I created an unbound text box and users type in any part of the person's surname and hit enter.

The code then searches through the relevant tables one by one and populates a results table.

Kath
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Charlotte Foust 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
  Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 6:20 AM
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] "Find" combo box searches more than one table


  Sorry, but I don't understand the question.  A "find" combobox works on
  a form and you populate it with a list that has some relationship to the
  current recordset of the form.  Then you use the indicated record to
  move in that recordset.  I can't see how (or why) you would use a find
  combo to look somewhere other than in the form's recordset.

  Charlotte Foust


  -----Original Message-----
  From: Klos, Susan [mailto:Susan.Klos at fldoe.org] 
  Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 12:29 PM
  To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
  Subject: [AccessD] "Find" combo box searches more than one table


  Is it possible to construct a "find" combo box that will search through
  more than one table in the database?

   

  Susan Klos

  Senior Database Analyst

  Evaluation and Reporting

  Florida Department of Education

  850-245-0708 

  sc 205-0708

   

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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Aug  4 18:53:01 2005
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 05 Aug 2005 09:53:01 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] "Find" combo box searches more than one table
In-Reply-To: <004201c5994c$f0489520$6601a8c0@user>
Message-ID: <42F336FD.21211.19774104@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

>   From: Klos, Susan [mailto:Susan.Klos at fldoe.org] 
>   Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 12:29 PM
>   To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>   Subject: [AccessD] "Find" combo box searches more than one table
> 
> 
>   Is it possible to construct a "find" combo box that will search through
>   more than one table in the database?
> 

Populate the box with a UNION query?


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From kimjwiggins at yahoo.com  Thu Aug  4 21:29:29 2005
From: kimjwiggins at yahoo.com (Kim Wiggins)
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 19:29:29 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] SQL statement
Message-ID: <20050805022929.64730.qmail@web53604.mail.yahoo.com>

My application is telling me something is wrong with this sql statement for my Access database.
Can anyone figure out what's wrong?  I don't see anything.
strSQL1 = "update tblRepairPartsReplaced set quantity (i) =  '" & Val(txtQty(i)) & "'  Where part_no = '" & txtPartsRep(i).Text & "'"
Thanks
Kim


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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Aug  4 21:46:04 2005
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 05 Aug 2005 12:46:04 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] SQL statement
In-Reply-To: <20050805022929.64730.qmail@web53604.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <42F35F8C.9189.1A15B132@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

On 4 Aug 2005 at 19:29, Kim Wiggins wrote:

> My application is telling me something is wrong with this sql statement for my Access database.
> Can anyone figure out what's wrong?  I don't see anything.
> strSQL1 = "update tblRepairPartsReplaced set quantity (i) =  '" & Val(txtQty(i)) & "'  Where part_no = '" & txtPartsRep(i).Text & "'"
> Thanks
> Kim
> 


There is a space between quantity and (i). Having said that, do you really 
have a field called "quantity(i)" ?

I'd guess you just want     ...quantity = '" & .....




-- 
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From rbgajewski at adelphia.net  Thu Aug  4 22:06:46 2005
From: rbgajewski at adelphia.net (Bob Gajewski)
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 23:06:46 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] A2K Unbound field on report error
In-Reply-To: <42F31584.29011.18F4806B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <20050805030649.KTLU29002.mta9.adelphia.net@DG1P2N21>

I knew it was going to be something simple and stupid!

THANKS STUART!!!

Got it working just fine now.

Bob
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 17:30 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K Unbound field on report error

On 4 Aug 2005 at 17:14, Asst. Chief R. Gajewski wrote:

> Thanks, Stuart, but that's just a typo in my email. The code actually 
> tests for boo...
> 

Have you got bound controls (checkboxes?)  on the report called boo..... ?

If not, insert them and set their .visible property to false.

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From vrm at tim-cms.com  Fri Aug  5 02:19:49 2005
From: vrm at tim-cms.com (| Marcel Vreuls)
Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 09:19:49 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Queryfields and combobox
In-Reply-To: <20050805030649.KTLU29002.mta9.adelphia.net@DG1P2N21>
Message-ID: <001201c5998e$11937790$6c61fea9@GALAXY.local>


Hi,

i am wondering if it is possible to get the output fields of a select query
into a combobox. I mean not the data of the selectquery but the
columnheaders/fieldnames.


Thnx, marcel



From vrm at tim-cms.com  Fri Aug  5 02:22:23 2005
From: vrm at tim-cms.com (| Marcel Vreuls)
Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 09:22:23 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Gui for menu
In-Reply-To: <42F296BD.7040905@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <001301c5998e$6cee00b0$6c61fea9@GALAXY.local>

Hi Martin,

That is a solution that works and i have used before. The nice thing of the
panels are the layout which does the listview do not have.

i will keep searching and post what i found. I have found an mde with this
solution and have just mailt the developer for more information. There is no
activex ocx or dll deliverd so it has to be an imbedded solution.

Tnx, marcel

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
Sent: vrijdag 5 augustus 2005 0:29
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Gui for menu


Well I know how this code from Peter is done. it is a treeview in the
left pane and multiple subforms on the right
selection triggered by tags on the nodes. I am trying to use this method
just now for displaying records taxonomy.
It does wonders on certain types of hierarchical data
I poached this method from Rebbeca Riordan. There is a downloadable mdb
here
Along with the Smart Access article
It might be cheaper to buy Peter's unlimited license than try and
rewrite Rebbeca's code to fit.
"Be still my beating heart" it does get complex with multiple subforms
unless writing to a fixed pattern.

http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/en-us/dnsmart04/html/sa04k6.asp?frame=true

In the article she states

 all you need to do to implement an Explorer-style form in Microsoft Access.
The sample application uses simple sub-forms created using the form
wizard for display of the product and beverage
details, but the detail forms can be arbitrarily complex. You can
include tabs, nested subforms, whatever is required
for your application.
In fact, you can use this same basic structure as the primary navigation
mechanism for your application instead of a
Switchboard. Just replace the data hierarchy in the TreeView with the
hierarchy of functions in your application. You
can even store the functional hierarchy in one or more tables to allow
the application to be configured at runtime.
Just store the name of the pane as a field, and load it at runtime.
Even though Microsoft Access doesn't support it directly, the
Explorer-style form architecture is straightforward to
implement using the TreeView Common Control. This architecture displays
much of the same information as a more
traditional Access form with the sub-form in datasheet view, but it's
more effective when the user wants or needs to
see a list of the items at all levels of the hierarchy. This isn't
common during data entry, but it's extremely useful
when browsing and maintaining information.


Charlotte Foust wrote:

>The control panel is made up of applets, so I suspect it would be hard
>to create its equivalent in Access.  If you don't want to go that far,
>you might take a look at the A Better Switchboard product offered from
>Peter's Software:  http://www.peterssoftware.com/abs.htm
>
>Charlotte Foust
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: | Marcel Vreuls [mailto:vrm at tim-cms.com]
>Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 1:36 PM
>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>Subject: [AccessD] Gui for menu
>
>
>Hi,
>
>Does anyone use a nice menu solution/activex control they use for
>working with a panel menu within access. I am looking for a solution to
>create a menu with panels like the control panel menu in the XP
>configuration.
>
>Tnx, marcel
>
>
>

--
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Victoria, B.C.
Canada



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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Fri Aug  5 06:40:34 2005
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 05 Aug 2005 21:40:34 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Queryfields and combobox
In-Reply-To: <001201c5998e$11937790$6c61fea9@GALAXY.local>
References: <20050805030649.KTLU29002.mta9.adelphia.net@DG1P2N21>
Message-ID: <42F3DCD2.4672.1BFF0A92@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

On 5 Aug 2005 at 9:19, | Marcel Vreuls wrote:

> 
> Hi,
> 
> i am wondering if it is possible to get the output fields of a select query
> into a combobox. I mean not the data of the selectquery but the
> columnheaders/fieldnames.
> 

 Dead simple, it's built in.

Set the "Row Source Type" of the combo box to "Field List"
Set the "Row Source" to the name of the query.





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From vrm at tim-cms.com  Fri Aug  5 06:59:34 2005
From: vrm at tim-cms.com (| Marcel Vreuls)
Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 13:59:34 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Queryfields and combobox
In-Reply-To: <42F3DCD2.4672.1BFF0A92@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <001c01c599b5$254d9960$6c61fea9@GALAXY.local>

Duh.....i kill myself :-). It was i.d.d.deadsimple....shame on me :-)

Tnxs al lot
marcel

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Stuart
McLachlan
Sent: vrijdag 5 augustus 2005 13:41
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Queryfields and combobox


On 5 Aug 2005 at 9:19, | Marcel Vreuls wrote:

>
> Hi,
>
> i am wondering if it is possible to get the output fields of a select
query
> into a combobox. I mean not the data of the selectquery but the
> columnheaders/fieldnames.
>

 Dead simple, it's built in.

Set the "Row Source Type" of the combo box to "Field List"
Set the "Row Source" to the name of the query.





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From cyx5 at cdc.gov  Fri Aug  5 06:57:29 2005
From: cyx5 at cdc.gov (Nicholson, Karen)
Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 07:57:29 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2003 Reports Not Working
Message-ID: <A5B5AA20555F594BA7B6BD2048E49E4376FD85@m-niosh-5.niosh.cdc.gov>

I seem to have two problems.  The first is that this user has no access
to the reports in the system.  She can open up forms, queries, etc.  But
the reports design view or preview is just not responding.  Then my code
for printing a report is failing.  

I have found this one thing about the printing code but have not found
out if a solution has been discovered yet.  It has been a long week.


- Open Access 2003  
  
- Create new database (2000 or 2002/2003 format)  
  
- Create a report and insert a label in its Detail section  
  
- Save the report as Report1  
  
- Copy Report1 as Report2  
  
- Open Report1 and insert Report2 in it as subreport  
  
- Save Report1  
  
- Create a form and use the wizard to insert a button which can open  
  
Report1 for preview  
  
- Go to VBE and navigate to the Click event of the button  
  
- Change the following two lines  
  
stDocName = "Report1"  
  
DoCmd.OpenReport stDocName, acPreview  
  
with this four lines  
  
stDocName = "Report1"  
  
Printer.PrintQuality = acPRPQMedium  
  
DoCmd.OpenReport stDocName, acPreview  
  
Printer.BottomMargin = 5  
  
- Save form as Form1  
  
- Open the form normally  
  
- Click the button  
  
- Here is the bug  
  
I contacted Microsoft Italia (beacause I live in Italy). They informed  
  
Microsoft Corporation which replied confirming it's a bug for Access  
  
2003 and will be corrected in the future. They didn't tell if the  
  
problem will be corrected with a specific patch or with Service Pack 2  
  
for Office 2003.  
  
You will not find any documentation in internet (neither in Microsoft  
  
web site nor in MSDN nor elsewhere) until a correction will be  
  
developed.  
  
I hope this could help. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 11:47 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 2003 Reports Not Working

Hi 65

1. Have you tried to install a(nother) printer?

2. Open the report in design view, reassign the printer and save.

/gustav

>>> cyx5 at cdc.gov 08/04 5:20 pm >>>
I have a new user, installed with Access 2003, running my XP database.
All is well, the references are fine, there are no code compilation
issues.  However, she can not open up a report.  If I go to the database
container and click on any report for a report preview, it acts like I
do not exist.  It does nothing.  What's up with this?  I am googling to
no avail.  Thanks.

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From dejpolsys at hotmail.com  Fri Aug  5 07:58:45 2005
From: dejpolsys at hotmail.com (William Hindman)
Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 08:58:45 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Gui for menu
References: <001301c5998e$6cee00b0$6c61fea9@GALAXY.local>
Message-ID: <BAY103-DAV140D2318616ECA067FBE00AEC70@phx.gbl>

Marcel

..have you looked at the Toolbar control in Access? ...combined with a 
Treeview it should allow you to dupe the look and feel you're after.

..ms had a sample app with A97 called actctrl.mdb that had several gui 
demos ...including one with the toolbar ...if you can't find it I'm sure I 
still have it in my A97 files ...I've not seen anything similar for A2k and 
up but then I've not looked either.

William

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "| Marcel Vreuls" <vrm at tim-cms.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
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Subject: RE: [AccessD] Gui for menu


> Hi Martin,
>
> That is a solution that works and i have used before. The nice thing of 
> the
> panels are the layout which does the listview do not have.
>
> i will keep searching and post what i found. I have found an mde with this
> solution and have just mailt the developer for more information. There is 
> no
> activex ocx or dll deliverd so it has to be an imbedded solution.
>
> Tnx, marcel
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
> Sent: vrijdag 5 augustus 2005 0:29
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Gui for menu
>
>
> Well I know how this code from Peter is done. it is a treeview in the
> left pane and multiple subforms on the right
> selection triggered by tags on the nodes. I am trying to use this method
> just now for displaying records taxonomy.
> It does wonders on certain types of hierarchical data
> I poached this method from Rebbeca Riordan. There is a downloadable mdb
> here
> Along with the Smart Access article
> It might be cheaper to buy Peter's unlimited license than try and
> rewrite Rebbeca's code to fit.
> "Be still my beating heart" it does get complex with multiple subforms
> unless writing to a fixed pattern.
>
> http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/en-us/dnsmart04/html/sa04k6.asp?frame=true
>
> In the article she states
>
> all you need to do to implement an Explorer-style form in Microsoft 
> Access.
> The sample application uses simple sub-forms created using the form
> wizard for display of the product and beverage
> details, but the detail forms can be arbitrarily complex. You can
> include tabs, nested subforms, whatever is required
> for your application.
> In fact, you can use this same basic structure as the primary navigation
> mechanism for your application instead of a
> Switchboard. Just replace the data hierarchy in the TreeView with the
> hierarchy of functions in your application. You
> can even store the functional hierarchy in one or more tables to allow
> the application to be configured at runtime.
> Just store the name of the pane as a field, and load it at runtime.
> Even though Microsoft Access doesn't support it directly, the
> Explorer-style form architecture is straightforward to
> implement using the TreeView Common Control. This architecture displays
> much of the same information as a more
> traditional Access form with the sub-form in datasheet view, but it's
> more effective when the user wants or needs to
> see a list of the items at all levels of the hierarchy. This isn't
> common during data entry, but it's extremely useful
> when browsing and maintaining information.
>
>
> Charlotte Foust wrote:
>
>>The control panel is made up of applets, so I suspect it would be hard
>>to create its equivalent in Access.  If you don't want to go that far,
>>you might take a look at the A Better Switchboard product offered from
>>Peter's Software:  http://www.peterssoftware.com/abs.htm
>>
>>Charlotte Foust
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: | Marcel Vreuls [mailto:vrm at tim-cms.com]
>>Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 1:36 PM
>>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>>Subject: [AccessD] Gui for menu
>>
>>
>>Hi,
>>
>>Does anyone use a nice menu solution/activex control they use for
>>working with a panel menu within access. I am looking for a solution to
>>create a menu with panels like the control panel menu in the XP
>>configuration.
>>
>>Tnx, marcel
>>
>>
>>
>
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From kimjwiggins at yahoo.com  Fri Aug  5 08:09:31 2005
From: kimjwiggins at yahoo.com (Kim Wiggins)
Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 06:09:31 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] SQL statement
In-Reply-To: <42F35F8C.9189.1A15B132@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <20050805130931.72112.qmail@web53605.mail.yahoo.com>

Well yes, I do have a field called quantity(i) because I have fields that correspond to parts that are 1-8.  Thanks, I didn't see that space.

Stuart McLachlan <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg> wrote:On 4 Aug 2005 at 19:29, Kim Wiggins wrote:

> My application is telling me something is wrong with this sql statement for my Access database.
> Can anyone figure out what's wrong? I don't see anything.
> strSQL1 = "update tblRepairPartsReplaced set quantity (i) = '" & Val(txtQty(i)) & "' Where part_no = '" & txtPartsRep(i).Text & "'"
> Thanks
> Kim
> 


There is a space between quantity and (i). Having said that, do you really 
have a field called "quantity(i)" ?

I'd guess you just want ...quantity = '" & .....




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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Aug  5 08:21:06 2005
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Fri, 05 Aug 2005 09:21:06 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] SQL statement
In-Reply-To: <20050805130931.72112.qmail@web53605.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <00b601c599c0$8cf03450$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

Kim,

It is considered "bad practice" <ducks and runs from a certain somebody> to
use "special characters" in field names.  Basically only alpha characters
and numbers should be used.  Thus in your case, Quantity1 (or QuantityI)
would be a better name.

Special characters can cause unintended interactions with the VBA compiler
as well as the SQL parsing.  They force the developer to take extra steps to
"wrap" such field names to prevent such interactions.

John W. Colby
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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kim Wiggins
Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 9:10 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] SQL statement


Well yes, I do have a field called quantity(i) because I have fields that
correspond to parts that are 1-8.  Thanks, I didn't see that space.

Stuart McLachlan <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg> wrote:On 4 Aug 2005 at 19:29, Kim
Wiggins wrote:

> My application is telling me something is wrong with this sql 
> statement for my Access database. Can anyone figure out what's wrong? 
> I don't see anything. strSQL1 = "update tblRepairPartsReplaced set 
> quantity (i) = '" & Val(txtQty(i)) & "' Where part_no = '" & 
> txtPartsRep(i).Text & "'" Thanks Kim
> 


There is a space between quantity and (i). Having said that, do you really 
have a field called "quantity(i)" ?

I'd guess you just want ...quantity = '" & .....




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From cyx5 at cdc.gov  Fri Aug  5 09:08:53 2005
From: cyx5 at cdc.gov (Nicholson, Karen)
Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 10:08:53 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] SQL Float Type Conversion and Access
Message-ID: <A5B5AA20555F594BA7B6BD2048E49E4376FD8D@m-niosh-5.niosh.cdc.gov>

Happy Friday to all!  (Humor Day Reminder).  Anyway, I have an SQL
backend that has a few fields defined as float(ies).  When I do an
Access query against these floaties, and specify, for example the
criteria = 3, I get a message that my query is too complicated.  So, I
can either convert the SQL field to a better format that will preserve
the decimals, or I can figure out how to put criteria for a floatie in
Access.  I tried converting the field in SQL to numeric and it stripped
the decimal.  (backups are golden).  I don't want to go to nvarchar, I
am not sure I want to go to a double.  Any suggestions?  Thanks.


From artful at rogers.com  Fri Aug  5 09:57:35 2005
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 10:57:35 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] SQL Float Type Conversion and Access
In-Reply-To: <A5B5AA20555F594BA7B6BD2048E49E4376FD8D@m-niosh-5.niosh.cdc.gov>
Message-ID: <200508051457.j75EvdR03379@databaseadvisors.com>

This one puzzles me. I have not experienced it before, so I just whipped up
a table to check this. I have a float field two of whose rows contain the
value 3. I did a query both from Query Analyst and Access (ADP) testing the
column for value 3 and I received two rows back in both cases. My FE was an
ADP, mind you. Is yours an MDB using an ODBC connection? I didn't try that.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Nicholson, Karen
Sent: August 5, 2005 10:09 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] SQL Float Type Conversion and Access

Happy Friday to all!  (Humor Day Reminder).  Anyway, I have an SQL
backend that has a few fields defined as float(ies).  When I do an
Access query against these floaties, and specify, for example the
criteria = 3, I get a message that my query is too complicated.  So, I
can either convert the SQL field to a better format that will preserve
the decimals, or I can figure out how to put criteria for a floatie in
Access.  I tried converting the field in SQL to numeric and it stripped
the decimal.  (backups are golden).  I don't want to go to nvarchar, I
am not sure I want to go to a double.  Any suggestions?  Thanks.
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From cyx5 at cdc.gov  Fri Aug  5 10:05:12 2005
From: cyx5 at cdc.gov (Nicholson, Karen)
Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 11:05:12 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] SQL Float Type Conversion and Access
Message-ID: <A5B5AA20555F594BA7B6BD2048E49E4376FD90@m-niosh-5.niosh.cdc.gov>

Yes, mine is an mdb with odbc.  I have it solved now - I changed the SQL
type to numeric with the scale set to 1.  Now it is OK.  Access totally
puked on querying a float.  Now, I sure wish I could figure out why the
Access 2003 PCs around here are locking out the report area of the
databases.  Even simple code to open up the report croak.   

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 10:58 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL Float Type Conversion and Access

This one puzzles me. I have not experienced it before, so I just whipped
up a table to check this. I have a float field two of whose rows contain
the value 3. I did a query both from Query Analyst and Access (ADP)
testing the column for value 3 and I received two rows back in both
cases. My FE was an ADP, mind you. Is yours an MDB using an ODBC
connection? I didn't try that.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Nicholson,
Karen
Sent: August 5, 2005 10:09 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] SQL Float Type Conversion and Access

Happy Friday to all!  (Humor Day Reminder).  Anyway, I have an SQL
backend that has a few fields defined as float(ies).  When I do an
Access query against these floaties, and specify, for example the
criteria = 3, I get a message that my query is too complicated.  So, I
can either convert the SQL field to a better format that will preserve
the decimals, or I can figure out how to put criteria for a floatie in
Access.  I tried converting the field in SQL to numeric and it stripped
the decimal.  (backups are golden).  I don't want to go to nvarchar, I
am not sure I want to go to a double.  Any suggestions?  Thanks.
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From kimjwiggins at yahoo.com  Fri Aug  5 10:06:08 2005
From: kimjwiggins at yahoo.com (Kim Wiggins)
Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 08:06:08 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] SQL statement
In-Reply-To: <00b601c599c0$8cf03450$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <20050805150608.35207.qmail@web53604.mail.yahoo.com>

I'm sorry John, I didn't explain that well.  It is Quantity1, etc....  The (i) is the index in my program for me to loop through the fields.

"John W. Colby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:Kim,

It is considered "bad practice" to
use "special characters" in field names. Basically only alpha characters
and numbers should be used. Thus in your case, Quantity1 (or QuantityI)
would be a better name.

Special characters can cause unintended interactions with the VBA compiler
as well as the SQL parsing. They force the developer to take extra steps to
"wrap" such field names to prevent such interactions.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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http://folding.stanford.edu/

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kim Wiggins
Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 9:10 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] SQL statement


Well yes, I do have a field called quantity(i) because I have fields that
correspond to parts that are 1-8. Thanks, I didn't see that space.

Stuart McLachlan wrote:On 4 Aug 2005 at 19:29, Kim
Wiggins wrote:

> My application is telling me something is wrong with this sql 
> statement for my Access database. Can anyone figure out what's wrong? 
> I don't see anything. strSQL1 = "update tblRepairPartsReplaced set 
> quantity (i) = '" & Val(txtQty(i)) & "' Where part_no = '" & 
> txtPartsRep(i).Text & "'" Thanks Kim
> 


There is a space between quantity and (i). Having said that, do you really 
have a field called "quantity(i)" ?

I'd guess you just want ...quantity = '" & .....




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From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com  Fri Aug  5 10:43:00 2005
From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester)
Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 10:43:00 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Table locked
Message-ID: <F1DD538AE6BCE74EBE562DE51564D322F335B8@houexch1.kindermorgan.com>

Problem solved. I had it set up to open a form that referenced a table
that a query was trying to update. Changed the sequence of events and
all is well

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 5:53 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Table locked

Check If the mdb file isn't set to readonly or the associated ldb file 
isn't still open (This can be safely
deleted if all users are out of the database) otherwise
you might import all the Access objects to a new clean database to avoid

any corruption.
This corruption can be common on Access 2000 mdb's without SP-3

Corrupt Microsoft Access MDBs FAQ
http://www.granite.ab.ca/access/corruptmdbs.htm

Kaup, Chester wrote:

>I have a database on my local C drive. When it opens it runs an
autoexec
>macro to run a query to make a table. I get a message that the table
can
>not be opened exclusively. How can this be and how do I determine what
>has the table open? I have tried compacting and repairing and opening
>the database exclusively with no success. Thanks.
>
> 
>
>Chester Kaup
>
>Engineering Technician
>
>Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP
>
>Office (432) 688-3797
>
> 
>
>No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However a large
>number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced.
>
>FAX (432) 688-3799
>
> 
>
>  
>

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From dmcafee at pacbell.net  Fri Aug  5 13:03:10 2005
From: dmcafee at pacbell.net (dmcafee at pacbell.net)
Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 11:03:10 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] RE: Friday Humor
In-Reply-To: <008801c59905$00a18a00$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <KDEHKEMIOHGKCDHLPPLKGEFEFHAA.dmcafee@pacbell.net>

Once upon a time, there was a snake, named Nate. Rather close to Nate's
house there was a great road, and next to this road was a lever. The lever
was ancient, and the mythology around the lever was that if you were to push
it, it would trigger the end of the world.

One day, Nate was slithering down the road, and he came upon the lever, and
began crossing the road so he could look at it. At the same moment, a truck
came careening around a corner, and the driver found himself in a dilemma:
either hit the snake or end the world. Needless to say, the driver ran over
Nate and went on his merry way.




Moral of the Story: Better Nate than Lever



From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri Aug  5 13:10:31 2005
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 11:10:31 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] RE: Friday Humor
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86873B88@infoserver01.infostat.local>

<GROAN> Off with his head!!

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: dmcafee at pacbell.net [mailto:dmcafee at pacbell.net] 
Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 11:03 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] RE: Friday Humor


Once upon a time, there was a snake, named Nate. Rather close to Nate's
house there was a great road, and next to this road was a lever. The
lever was ancient, and the mythology around the lever was that if you
were to push it, it would trigger the end of the world.

One day, Nate was slithering down the road, and he came upon the lever,
and began crossing the road so he could look at it. At the same moment,
a truck came careening around a corner, and the driver found himself in
a dilemma: either hit the snake or end the world. Needless to say, the
driver ran over Nate and went on his merry way.




Moral of the Story: Better Nate than Lever

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From BarbaraRyan at cox.net  Fri Aug  5 13:32:11 2005
From: BarbaraRyan at cox.net (Barbara Ryan)
Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 14:32:11 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] SendObject
Message-ID: <009001c599ec$19867160$0a00a8c0@cx470148a>

I've used Docmd.SendObject to email Snapshot files.  I now need to email a .txt file and am having problems.  There doesn't appear to be an object type for text files.

Any ideas?

Thanks,
Barb Ryan

From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Fri Aug  5 16:53:47 2005
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2005 07:53:47 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] SQL statement
In-Reply-To: <20050805150608.35207.qmail@web53604.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <00b601c599c0$8cf03450$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <42F46C8B.21016.1E30726C@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

On 5 Aug 2005 at 8:06, Kim Wiggins wrote:

> I'm sorry John, I didn't explain that well.  It is Quantity1, etc....  The (i) is the index in my program for me to loop through the fields.
> 
.....
> > I don't see anything. strSQL1 = "update tblRepairPartsReplaced set 
> > quantity (i) = '" & Val(txtQty(i)) & "' Where part_no = '" & 
> > txtPartsRep(i).Text & "'" Thanks Kim
> > 

If "i" is an index in your code,you can't have it inside strSQL1.  When you 
build the string, you have to resolve everything the way you do 
Val(txtQty(i)).  IOW you would need to replace "quantity(i) = " with 
something like "Quantity" & i & " = "


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From greggs at msn.com  Fri Aug  5 17:02:15 2005
From: greggs at msn.com (Gregg)
Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 17:02:15 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Memo field parsing
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8689A72A@infoserver01.infostat.local>
	<BAY103-DAV9BF45769C396DC8C04B05C6C50@phx.gbl>
	<007f01c5992e$f3bca8e0$ce1865cb@winxp>
Message-ID: <BAY103-DAV132E127267505C719D52E0C6C70@phx.gbl>

Wow... thanks A.D.... I'll give it a try.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: A.D.Tejpal<mailto:adtp at touchtelindia.net> 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving<mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com> 
  Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 2:57 PM
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Memo field parsing


  Gregg,

      For sake of demonstration, let the source table named T_Memo consist of two fields, named ID (primary key - Autonumber) and Mem (memo type). 

      Create another table, named T_MemRef, with just one field named Ref (number type). Populate this table with just two records, with values 1 and 2 respectively. Query Q_Memo as given below, should be used as record source for your report. It involves Cartesian join between tables T_Memo and T_MemRef. 

      In detail section of your report, drag Mem and Ref from the field list, so as to create bound controls named Mem and Ref. Make these controls hidden, set their CanGrow property to "No" and position the same un-obtrusively. Insert an unbound text box named TxtMemo. This is the text box that would actually display the contents of memo field. Set the width and fonts as desired. Set the CanGrow property of this control as well as the detail section as a whole, to "Yes".

      In VBA window, put the code given below, in Detail_Format event of the report. Make sure that the item "On Format" in Event tab of properties dialog box shows [Event Procedure] against it.

      Now, when you run the report, first three lines of the memo field will get displayed on first page and the balance portion on the next page. Similar pattern would get repeated for all records.
      
  Best wishes,
  A.D.Tejpal
  --------------

  Source Query for the report (Q_Memo)
  =====================================
  SELECT T_Memo.ID, T_MemRef.Ref, T_Memo.Mem
  FROM T_Memo, T_MemRef
  ORDER BY T_Memo.ID, T_MemRef.Ref;
  =====================================

  Code in Report's Module
  =====================================
  Private Sub Detail_Format(Cancel As Integer, _
                                          FormatCount As Integer)
      Dim Wd As Long, Rw As Single, Mgn As Long
      Dim LenMem As Long, Txt As String, Lft As Long
      Dim LastSpace As Long, MaxRowsFirstPart
      Dim Mpf As Single
      
      MaxRowsFirstPart = 3
      LenMem = Len(Mem)
      If LenMem > 0 Then
      Else
          Exit Sub
      End If
      
      With Me
          ' Set the scale mode to twips
          .ScaleMode = 1
          ' Set Font values for report to match those of memo field.
          .FontName = TxtMemo.FontName
          .FontSize = TxtMemo.FontSize
          If TxtMemo.FontBold <> 0 Then
              .FontBold = True
          Else
              .FontBold = False
          End If
      End With
      
      ' Allow for necessary margin within a text box
      ' (Between its border and the content)
      Mgn = 170     ' This value may need fine tuning for
                              ' best results
      ' Get effective width of control meant for
      ' displaying memo field
      Wd = TxtMemo.Width - Mgn
      ' Get the number of characters so as to make-up the
      ' required number of rows for first part of memo field.
      For Lft = 1 To LenMem
          Txt = Left(Mem, Lft)
          LastSpace = IIf(Right(Txt, 1) = " ", Lft, LastSpace)
          Rw = TextWidth(Txt) / Wd
          If Rw > MaxRowsFirstPart Then
              Lft = Lft - 1
              Exit For
          End If
      Next
      Debug.Print Lft; ", "; LastSpace
      
      ' Get Multiplying factor for acceptable max location
      ' of last space.
      Mpf = (0.8 + (MaxRowsFirstPart - 1)) / MaxRowsFirstPart
      
      ' Shorten the first part to nearest space
      ' (if within 20 % of the end of line)
      If LastSpace > Mpf * Lft And LastSpace < Lft Then
          Lft = LastSpace
      End If
      
      ' Populate the unbound text box with appropriate
      ' part of memo field.
      If Ref = 1 Then
          TxtMemo = Left(Mem, Lft)
          ' Force New Page - Afer section, only if memo
          ' field contents not yet finished
          If LenMem > Lft Then
              Detail.ForceNewPage = 2
          Else
              Detail.ForceNewPage = 0   ' No break
          End If
      Else
          TxtMemo = Mid(Mem, Lft + 1)
          ' Force New Page - Afer section
          Detail.ForceNewPage = 2
      End If
  End Sub
  =====================================

    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Gregg 
    To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
    Cc: Robert Penn 
    Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 04:19
    Subject: Re: [AccessD] Memo field parsing


    Thanks Charlotte!  I give it a try.

      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: Charlotte Foust<mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com<mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com>> 
      To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving<mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com<mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com>> 
      Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 5:33 PM
      Subject: RE: [AccessD] Memo field parsing

      No, get the textwidth of the control and see if the textwidth of the text is greater than that.  Handle the situation where it is not and everything fits in the first control.  Otherwise get the text that fits within the control textwidth and use instrRev to find the last space in that substring.  Break it there.  

    At that point, you also know the index of the starting point for the rest of the string, so all you need to do for the next page is use the Mid(text, index) to put the rest of it into the second page.

    Charlotte Foust

      -----Original Message-----
      From: Gregg [mailto:greggs at msn.com] 
      Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 11:34 AM
      To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
      Subject: Re: [AccessD] Memo field parsing


      So, you're saying I need to loop through all the characters until I find
      the last whole word that will fit on the first line, the same for the
      second etc. until I determine what text will fit in the first page text
      field and use what's left for the 2nd page?
        ----- Original Message ----- 
        From: Charlotte Foust<mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com<mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com<mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com<mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com>>> 
        To: Access Developers discussion and problem
      solving<mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com<mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com<mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com<mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com>>> 
        Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 11:02 AM
        Subject: RE: [AccessD] Memo field parsing


        You can't do it by simply counting characters anyhow.  You have to use
        the TextWidth property, which can be expressed as
        reportname.TextWidth(stringvariable) and compare that to the textwidth
        of the control ( reportname.TextWidth(controlobject) or to the maximum
        length you want to display.  You'll also want to allow a padding
      factor
        to avoid overrunning the  borders of the control and be sure and check
        for carriage returns because they confuse the issue.

        If you want to display 3 "lines", you'll have to break the memo field
        into the first three chunks that will fit into the textwidth of the
        textbox you're using to display the text on that page.

        Charlotte Foust


        -----Original Message-----
        From: Gregg [mailto:greggs at msn.com] 
        Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 8:43 AM
        To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
        Subject: Re: [AccessD] Memo field parsing


        Charlotte

        Physical space I think because I don't know how to get from one to the
        other.  The number of characters is going to be dependant on the how
        many characters are lost to word wrapping isn't it?  Is there a way to
        calculate the number of characters that will appear in the first three
        lines?  If I knew that, I could do it.
          ----- Original Message ----- 
          From: Charlotte
      Foust<mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com<mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.co<mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com<mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.co<mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com<mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.co<mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com<mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.co>>
      m>> 
          To: Access Developers discussion and problem
       
      solving<mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com<mailto:accessd at databaseadvis<mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com<mailto:accessd at databaseadvis<mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com<mailto:accessd at databaseadvis<mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com<mailto:accessd at databaseadvis>>
      ors.com>> 
          Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 10:28 AM
          Subject: RE: [AccessD] Memo field parsing


          Define "first three lines".   Is that a particular number of
        characters
          or a physical space?

          Charlotte Foust


          -----Original Message-----
          From: Gregg [mailto:greggs at msn.com] 
          Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 7:32 AM
          To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
          Subject: [AccessD] Memo field parsing

          I would like to parse a memo field in a A97 report such that the first three lines is on the first page and whatever is left is on the next.
          Any ideas?

          Gregg Steinbrenner
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From fhtapia at gmail.com  Fri Aug  5 17:32:23 2005
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 15:32:23 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Online Archives
Message-ID: <b874372a0508051532f78694c@mail.gmail.com>

Drew,
you used to keep an archives online, but for whatever reason I'm not able to 
get to it... I'm trying to find that hint to tell access to always default 
to code builder from the Bulild Event... context menu

-- 
-Francisco
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http://sqlthis.blogspot.com | Tsql and More...


From dwaters at usinternet.com  Fri Aug  5 17:37:21 2005
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 17:37:21 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] RE: Friday Humor
In-Reply-To: <24639750.1123264359656.JavaMail.root@sniper21>
Message-ID: <000001c59a0e$3fc3e6b0$0200a8c0@danwaters>

"That was just wrong!", I said to myself while rolling on the floor!

Dan Waters


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
dmcafee at pacbell.net
Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 1:03 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] RE: Friday Humor

Once upon a time, there was a snake, named Nate. Rather close to Nate's
house there was a great road, and next to this road was a lever. The lever
was ancient, and the mythology around the lever was that if you were to push
it, it would trigger the end of the world.

One day, Nate was slithering down the road, and he came upon the lever, and
began crossing the road so he could look at it. At the same moment, a truck
came careening around a corner, and the driver found himself in a dilemma:
either hit the snake or end the world. Needless to say, the driver ran over
Nate and went on his merry way.




Moral of the Story: Better Nate than Lever

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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Fri Aug  5 17:37:21 2005
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 17:37:21 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] SendObject
In-Reply-To: <14134571.1123265958309.JavaMail.root@sniper21>
Message-ID: <000101c59a0e$40fa1cc0$0200a8c0@danwaters>

Barbara,

I'm pretty sure that the DoCmd.SendObject command can only be used to send
objects that are a part of the Access database, when the command is used
within an Access database.  To send a different file, you'll need to use
something else - like SMTP email.  An example of this is vbSendMail.dll,
available from FreeVBCode.com.

The help file for SendObject is pretty good.

Dan Waters

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Barbara Ryan
Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 1:32 PM
To: Access List
Subject: [AccessD] SendObject

I've used Docmd.SendObject to email Snapshot files.  I now need to email a
.txt file and am having problems.  There doesn't appear to be an object type
for text files.

Any ideas?

Thanks,
Barb Ryan
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From donald.a.Mcgillivray at mail.sprint.com  Fri Aug  5 17:40:54 2005
From: donald.a.Mcgillivray at mail.sprint.com (Mcgillivray, Don [ITS])
Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 17:40:54 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Online Archives
Message-ID: <EC829B33DF5B5B48A956B7A2E894AA9A01431F8E@PLSWB06C.ad.sprint.com>

Francisco,

Tick the box next to "Always use event procedures" under
Options|Forms/Reports.

HTH

Don




From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Fri Aug  5 17:41:26 2005
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (DWUTKA at marlow.com)
Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 17:41:26 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] Online Archives
Message-ID: <123701F54509D9119A4F00D0B747349016DC29@main2.marlow.com>

Sorry, my domain is offline still.  Hopefully will be back up by the end of
the month.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Francisco Tapia [mailto:fhtapia at gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 5:32 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Online Archives


Drew,
you used to keep an archives online, but for whatever reason I'm not able to

get to it... I'm trying to find that hint to tell access to always default 
to code builder from the Bulild Event... context menu

-- 
-Francisco
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri Aug  5 18:02:40 2005
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 16:02:40 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Online Archives
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86873B8B@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Hmmn .... Which month is that, Drew? <g>

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com] 
Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 3:41 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Online Archives


Sorry, my domain is offline still.  Hopefully will be back up by the end
of the month.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Francisco Tapia [mailto:fhtapia at gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 5:32 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Online Archives


Drew,
you used to keep an archives online, but for whatever reason I'm not
able to

get to it... I'm trying to find that hint to tell access to always
default 
to code builder from the Bulild Event... context menu

-- 
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From carbonnb at sympatico.ca  Fri Aug  5 18:58:32 2005
From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Fri, 05 Aug 2005 19:58:32 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Online Archives
In-Reply-To: <b874372a0508051532f78694c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAYC1-PASMTP03C81B9D451ED5C7F46202AEC70@cez.ice>

On 5 Aug 2005 at 15:32, Francisco Tapia wrote:

> you used to keep an archives online, but for whatever reason I'm not
> able to get to it... I'm trying to find that hint to tell access to
> always default to code builder from the Bulild Event... context menu

There's always DBAs archive at 
http://databaseadvisors.com/pipermail/accessd/

-- 
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From kimjwiggins at yahoo.com  Fri Aug  5 22:06:05 2005
From: kimjwiggins at yahoo.com (Kim Wiggins)
Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 20:06:05 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] SQL statement
In-Reply-To: <42F46C8B.21016.1E30726C@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <20050806030605.53985.qmail@web53603.mail.yahoo.com>

Thanks Stuart.  I did figure that out after the fact  You are correct because it can't resolve the field name that way.

Stuart McLachlan <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg> wrote:On 5 Aug 2005 at 8:06, Kim Wiggins wrote:

> I'm sorry John, I didn't explain that well. It is Quantity1, etc.... The (i) is the index in my program for me to loop through the fields.
> 
.....
> > I don't see anything. strSQL1 = "update tblRepairPartsReplaced set 
> > quantity (i) = '" & Val(txtQty(i)) & "' Where part_no = '" & 
> > txtPartsRep(i).Text & "'" Thanks Kim
> > 

If "i" is an index in your code,you can't have it inside strSQL1. When you 
build the string, you have to resolve everything the way you do 
Val(txtQty(i)). IOW you would need to replace "quantity(i) = " with 
something like "Quantity" & i & " = "


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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Sat Aug  6 02:23:26 2005
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2005 08:23:26 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] SendObject
In-Reply-To: <000101c59a0e$40fa1cc0$0200a8c0@danwaters>
Message-ID: <006a01c59a57$bc8d3450$901b0c54@minster33c3r25>

Dan's right. Can't use SendObject in a case like this. If your email client
is Outlook you can use the Outlook object to do it though. I can send you an
example if you want.

-- Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
> Sent: 05 August 2005 23:37
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] SendObject
> 
> 
> Barbara,
> 
> I'm pretty sure that the DoCmd.SendObject command can only be 
> used to send objects that are a part of the Access database, 
> when the command is used within an Access database.  To send 
> a different file, you'll need to use something else - like 
> SMTP email.  An example of this is vbSendMail.dll, available 
> from FreeVBCode.com.
> 
> The help file for SendObject is pretty good.
> 
> Dan Waters
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Barbara Ryan
> Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 1:32 PM
> To: Access List
> Subject: [AccessD] SendObject
> 
> I've used Docmd.SendObject to email Snapshot files.  I now 
> need to email a .txt file and am having problems.  There 
> doesn't appear to be an object type for text files.
> 
> Any ideas?
> 
> Thanks,
> Barb Ryan
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> 



From BarbaraRyan at cox.net  Sat Aug  6 06:03:07 2005
From: BarbaraRyan at cox.net (Barbara Ryan)
Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2005 07:03:07 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] SendObject
References: <006a01c59a57$bc8d3450$901b0c54@minster33c3r25>
Message-ID: <001401c59a76$6d115cc0$0a00a8c0@cx470148a>

Thanks for the info.  Andy, that would be great if you could send an
example.....Barb

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Andy Lacey" <andy at minstersystems.co.uk>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2005 3:23 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] SendObject


> Dan's right. Can't use SendObject in a case like this. If your email
client
> is Outlook you can use the Outlook object to do it though. I can send you
an
> example if you want.
>
> -- Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
> > Sent: 05 August 2005 23:37
> > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] SendObject
> >
> >
> > Barbara,
> >
> > I'm pretty sure that the DoCmd.SendObject command can only be
> > used to send objects that are a part of the Access database,
> > when the command is used within an Access database.  To send
> > a different file, you'll need to use something else - like
> > SMTP email.  An example of this is vbSendMail.dll, available
> > from FreeVBCode.com.
> >
> > The help file for SendObject is pretty good.
> >
> > Dan Waters
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > Barbara Ryan
> > Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 1:32 PM
> > To: Access List
> > Subject: [AccessD] SendObject
> >
> > I've used Docmd.SendObject to email Snapshot files.  I now
> > need to email a .txt file and am having problems.  There
> > doesn't appear to be an object type for text files.
> >
> > Any ideas?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Barb Ryan
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sat Aug  6 11:16:13 2005
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2005 09:16:13 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Online Archives
In-Reply-To: <BAYC1-PASMTP03C81B9D451ED5C7F46202AEC70@cez.ice>
Message-ID: <0IKT0024Y6IZV7@l-daemon>

..or http://www.databaseadvisors.com/archive/archive.htm

Jim

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bryan Carbonnell
Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 4:59 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Online Archives

On 5 Aug 2005 at 15:32, Francisco Tapia wrote:

> you used to keep an archives online, but for whatever reason I'm not
> able to get to it... I'm trying to find that hint to tell access to
> always default to code builder from the Bulild Event... context menu

There's always DBAs archive at 
http://databaseadvisors.com/pipermail/accessd/

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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Sat Aug  6 12:44:28 2005
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2005 18:44:28 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] SendObject
In-Reply-To: <001401c59a76$6d115cc0$0a00a8c0@cx470148a>
Message-ID: <008901c59aae$7f0ca7d0$901b0c54@minster33c3r25>

Here you go Barbara

Don't forget to set a Reference to the Outlook Object Library and put in
error trapping etc



Function SendOutlookMessage()

Dim objOutlook As Outlook.Application
Dim objOutlookMsg As Outlook.MailItem
Dim objOutlookRecip As Outlook.Recipient
Dim objOutlookAttach As Outlook.Attachment
Dim objOutlookNameSpace As Outlook.NameSpace
Dim objOutlookItem As Outlook.ContactItem
Dim objOutlookFolder As Object
Dim lngCounter As Long
Dim astrRecipients() As String
Dim astrAttachments() As String
Dim strSubject As String
Dim strBody As String

'Put code in here to build up array of recipients and attachments


'Create the Outlook session
Set objOutlook = CreateObject("Outlook.Application")

Set objOutlookNameSpace = objOutlook.GetNamespace("MAPI")
Set objOutlookFolder =
objOutlookNameSpace.GetDefaultFolder(olFolderContacts)

'Create the message
Set objOutlookMsg = objOutlook.CreateItem(olMailItem)
With objOutlookMsg
  'Add recipients
  For lngCounter = 1 To UBound(astrRecipients)
    Set objOutlookRecip = .Recipients.Add(astrRecipients(lngCounter))
    objOutlookRecip.Type = olTo
  Next
  'Resolve each recipients name
  For Each objOutlookRecip In .Recipients
    objOutlookRecip.Resolve
  Next
  .Subject = strSubject
  .Body = strBody
  .Importance = olImportanceNormal
  For lngCounter = 1 To UBound(astrAttachments)
    Set objOutlookAttach = .Attachments.Add(astrAttachments(lngCounter))
  Next
  .Save
  .Send
End With

End Function

HTH

-- Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 



> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Barbara Ryan
> Sent: 06 August 2005 12:03
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] SendObject
> 
> 
> Thanks for the info.  Andy, that would be great if you could 
> send an example.....Barb
> 



From BarbaraRyan at cox.net  Sat Aug  6 14:23:24 2005
From: BarbaraRyan at cox.net (Barbara Ryan)
Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2005 15:23:24 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] SendObject
References: <008901c59aae$7f0ca7d0$901b0c54@minster33c3r25>
Message-ID: <002601c59abc$50a8dc20$0a00a8c0@cx470148a>

Thanks, Andy.... I really appreciate it!.....Barb



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Andy Lacey" <andy at minstersystems.co.uk>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2005 1:44 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] SendObject


> Here you go Barbara
>
> Don't forget to set a Reference to the Outlook Object Library and put in
> error trapping etc
>
>
>
> Function SendOutlookMessage()
>
> Dim objOutlook As Outlook.Application
> Dim objOutlookMsg As Outlook.MailItem
> Dim objOutlookRecip As Outlook.Recipient
> Dim objOutlookAttach As Outlook.Attachment
> Dim objOutlookNameSpace As Outlook.NameSpace
> Dim objOutlookItem As Outlook.ContactItem
> Dim objOutlookFolder As Object
> Dim lngCounter As Long
> Dim astrRecipients() As String
> Dim astrAttachments() As String
> Dim strSubject As String
> Dim strBody As String
>
> 'Put code in here to build up array of recipients and attachments
>
>
> 'Create the Outlook session
> Set objOutlook = CreateObject("Outlook.Application")
>
> Set objOutlookNameSpace = objOutlook.GetNamespace("MAPI")
> Set objOutlookFolder =
> objOutlookNameSpace.GetDefaultFolder(olFolderContacts)
>
> 'Create the message
> Set objOutlookMsg = objOutlook.CreateItem(olMailItem)
> With objOutlookMsg
>   'Add recipients
>   For lngCounter = 1 To UBound(astrRecipients)
>     Set objOutlookRecip = .Recipients.Add(astrRecipients(lngCounter))
>     objOutlookRecip.Type = olTo
>   Next
>   'Resolve each recipients name
>   For Each objOutlookRecip In .Recipients
>     objOutlookRecip.Resolve
>   Next
>   .Subject = strSubject
>   .Body = strBody
>   .Importance = olImportanceNormal
>   For lngCounter = 1 To UBound(astrAttachments)
>     Set objOutlookAttach = .Attachments.Add(astrAttachments(lngCounter))
>   Next
>   .Save
>   .Send
> End With
>
> End Function
>
> HTH
>
> -- Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > Barbara Ryan
> > Sent: 06 August 2005 12:03
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] SendObject
> >
> >
> > Thanks for the info.  Andy, that would be great if you could
> > send an example.....Barb
> >
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From dmcafee at pacbell.net  Sat Aug  6 16:14:48 2005
From: dmcafee at pacbell.net (dmcafee at pacbell.net)
Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2005 14:14:48 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] SendObject
In-Reply-To: <002601c59abc$50a8dc20$0a00a8c0@cx470148a>
Message-ID: <KDEHKEMIOHGKCDHLPPLKMEFMFHAA.dmcafee@pacbell.net>

If you are using Outlook 2000 SP2 or higher, you will also have to deal with
confirming that the email is good.

Another thing you can try is blat. List member Francisco Tapia has a great
sample on rogersaccesslibrary under other developers.  Blat runs behind the
scenes and we added it to the error handling. This is the way Outlook SHOULD
(and used to) work.

David


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Barbara Ryan
Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2005 12:23 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] SendObject


Thanks, Andy.... I really appreciate it!.....Barb



----- Original Message -----
From: "Andy Lacey" <andy at minstersystems.co.uk>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2005 1:44 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] SendObject


> Here you go Barbara
>
> Don't forget to set a Reference to the Outlook Object Library and put in
> error trapping etc
>
>
>
> Function SendOutlookMessage()
>
> Dim objOutlook As Outlook.Application
> Dim objOutlookMsg As Outlook.MailItem
> Dim objOutlookRecip As Outlook.Recipient
> Dim objOutlookAttach As Outlook.Attachment
> Dim objOutlookNameSpace As Outlook.NameSpace
> Dim objOutlookItem As Outlook.ContactItem
> Dim objOutlookFolder As Object
> Dim lngCounter As Long
> Dim astrRecipients() As String
> Dim astrAttachments() As String
> Dim strSubject As String
> Dim strBody As String
>
> 'Put code in here to build up array of recipients and attachments
>
>
> 'Create the Outlook session
> Set objOutlook = CreateObject("Outlook.Application")
>
> Set objOutlookNameSpace = objOutlook.GetNamespace("MAPI")
> Set objOutlookFolder =
> objOutlookNameSpace.GetDefaultFolder(olFolderContacts)
>
> 'Create the message
> Set objOutlookMsg = objOutlook.CreateItem(olMailItem)
> With objOutlookMsg
>   'Add recipients
>   For lngCounter = 1 To UBound(astrRecipients)
>     Set objOutlookRecip = .Recipients.Add(astrRecipients(lngCounter))
>     objOutlookRecip.Type = olTo
>   Next
>   'Resolve each recipients name
>   For Each objOutlookRecip In .Recipients
>     objOutlookRecip.Resolve
>   Next
>   .Subject = strSubject
>   .Body = strBody
>   .Importance = olImportanceNormal
>   For lngCounter = 1 To UBound(astrAttachments)
>     Set objOutlookAttach = .Attachments.Add(astrAttachments(lngCounter))
>   Next
>   .Save
>   .Send
> End With
>
> End Function
>
> HTH
>
> -- Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk



From BarbaraRyan at cox.net  Sat Aug  6 18:20:20 2005
From: BarbaraRyan at cox.net (Barbara Ryan)
Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2005 19:20:20 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] SendObject
References: <KDEHKEMIOHGKCDHLPPLKMEFMFHAA.dmcafee@pacbell.net>
Message-ID: <008301c59add$6a12e400$0a00a8c0@cx470148a>

David.... Does "confirming that the email is good" mean confirming that the
email address is valid?....Barb


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <dmcafee at pacbell.net>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2005 5:14 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] SendObject


> If you are using Outlook 2000 SP2 or higher, you will also have to deal
with
> confirming that the email is good.
>
> Another thing you can try is blat. List member Francisco Tapia has a great
> sample on rogersaccesslibrary under other developers.  Blat runs behind
the
> scenes and we added it to the error handling. This is the way Outlook
SHOULD
> (and used to) work.
>
> David
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Barbara Ryan
> Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2005 12:23 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] SendObject
>
>
> Thanks, Andy.... I really appreciate it!.....Barb
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Andy Lacey" <andy at minstersystems.co.uk>
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2005 1:44 PM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] SendObject
>
>
> > Here you go Barbara
> >
> > Don't forget to set a Reference to the Outlook Object Library and put in
> > error trapping etc
> >
> >
> >
> > Function SendOutlookMessage()
> >
> > Dim objOutlook As Outlook.Application
> > Dim objOutlookMsg As Outlook.MailItem
> > Dim objOutlookRecip As Outlook.Recipient
> > Dim objOutlookAttach As Outlook.Attachment
> > Dim objOutlookNameSpace As Outlook.NameSpace
> > Dim objOutlookItem As Outlook.ContactItem
> > Dim objOutlookFolder As Object
> > Dim lngCounter As Long
> > Dim astrRecipients() As String
> > Dim astrAttachments() As String
> > Dim strSubject As String
> > Dim strBody As String
> >
> > 'Put code in here to build up array of recipients and attachments
> >
> >
> > 'Create the Outlook session
> > Set objOutlook = CreateObject("Outlook.Application")
> >
> > Set objOutlookNameSpace = objOutlook.GetNamespace("MAPI")
> > Set objOutlookFolder =
> > objOutlookNameSpace.GetDefaultFolder(olFolderContacts)
> >
> > 'Create the message
> > Set objOutlookMsg = objOutlook.CreateItem(olMailItem)
> > With objOutlookMsg
> >   'Add recipients
> >   For lngCounter = 1 To UBound(astrRecipients)
> >     Set objOutlookRecip = .Recipients.Add(astrRecipients(lngCounter))
> >     objOutlookRecip.Type = olTo
> >   Next
> >   'Resolve each recipients name
> >   For Each objOutlookRecip In .Recipients
> >     objOutlookRecip.Resolve
> >   Next
> >   .Subject = strSubject
> >   .Body = strBody
> >   .Importance = olImportanceNormal
> >   For lngCounter = 1 To UBound(astrAttachments)
> >     Set objOutlookAttach = .Attachments.Add(astrAttachments(lngCounter))
> >   Next
> >   .Save
> >   .Send
> > End With
> >
> > End Function
> >
> > HTH
> >
> > -- Andy Lacey
> > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sat Aug  6 18:58:07 2005
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sun, 07 Aug 2005 09:58:07 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] SendObject
In-Reply-To: <008301c59add$6a12e400$0a00a8c0@cx470148a>
Message-ID: <42F5DB2F.20473.23C896E6@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

On 6 Aug 2005 at 19:20, Barbara Ryan wrote:

> David.... Does "confirming that the email is good" mean confirming that the
> email address is valid?....Barb
> 
> 

No, he's talking about that annoying popup telling you that a program is 
trying to send a message and asking you to confirm that it is allowed to do 
so.

-- 
Stuart




From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Sat Aug  6 22:02:23 2005
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (DWUTKA at marlow.com)
Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2005 22:02:23 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] Online Archives
Message-ID: <123701F54509D9119A4F00D0B747349016DC32@main2.marlow.com>

August...though it may be September the way things are going....

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 6:03 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Online Archives


Hmmn .... Which month is that, Drew? <g>

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com] 
Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 3:41 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Online Archives


Sorry, my domain is offline still.  Hopefully will be back up by the end
of the month.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Francisco Tapia [mailto:fhtapia at gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 5:32 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Online Archives


Drew,
you used to keep an archives online, but for whatever reason I'm not
able to

get to it... I'm trying to find that hint to tell access to always
default 
to code builder from the Bulild Event... context menu

-- 
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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Sun Aug  7 02:27:35 2005
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2005 08:27:35 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] SendObject
In-Reply-To: <42F5DB2F.20473.23C896E6@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <009c01c59b21$7b7469a0$901b0c54@minster33c3r25>

Barbara
If you are on Outlook XP, or SP2 of 2000, then you will get a security popup
from Outlook each time you use that code, asking if it's ok for the program
that's running to use Outlook. If you get it, and it's a problem to you,
then there's a free 3rd-party utility called Redemption, that a lot of list
members use, that gets around it. If you need it then go to
http://www.dimastr.com/redemption/ and get it and install it. I can then, if
you want, send another version of the code modified for Redemption.

-- Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Stuart McLachlan
> Sent: 07 August 2005 00:58
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] SendObject
> 
> 
> On 6 Aug 2005 at 19:20, Barbara Ryan wrote:
> 
> > David.... Does "confirming that the email is good" mean confirming 
> > that the email address is valid?....Barb
> > 
> > 
> 
> No, he's talking about that annoying popup telling you that a 
> program is 
> trying to send a message and asking you to confirm that it is 
> allowed to do 
> so.
> 
> -- 
> Stuart
> 
> 
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> 
> 



From John.Clark at niagaracounty.com  Mon Aug  8 08:18:55 2005
From: John.Clark at niagaracounty.com (John Clark)
Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2005 09:18:55 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Security Problem w/existing program
Message-ID: <s2f7239f.075@nebnov3.niagaracounty.com>

Somebody at work came to me w/a problem today. Their program, which runs
on a Citrix box, is written in AXP, so they figured I could help them. I
am feeling a little dumb though because I'm not getting anywhere w/it.

The program is working fine actually, but the security has disappeared.
Now, I don't have much experience with Access security to begin with,
but I have been able to muddle my through it, in the past. However,
everything I've dealt with in the past seemed to include an MDW file,
but no such animal exists in this environment (did this go away with
XP?). I looked at a backup directory they have and it isn't there
either, which leads me to believe it is not just missing.

Instead however, there are a bunch of files I have never worked with
(i.e. .MDO, .MOD, .ODB, .MDA, .MOA). I found nothing, in a search, for
.MDO files, but I found out that .MDA files are "Access Add-ins." I am
now wondering if this is using some add-in that supercedes standard
security procedures. When working though, I believe it acts the same
way...they still go into DB security and manipulate workgroups and
users, and their rights.

Does anyone have any ideas of how I can troubleshoot this? I realize I
may not be giving enough info, but I really don't know what else to add,
at this point, so just ask if you need it. I am headed back into it now,
but I'll check back in a bit to see what y'all might have for me.

Thank you!

John W Clark


From jimdettman at earthlink.net  Mon Aug  8 08:29:28 2005
From: jimdettman at earthlink.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 09:29:28 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Security Problem w/existing program
In-Reply-To: <s2f7239f.075@nebnov3.niagaracounty.com>
Message-ID: <NDEALJOEGMMPCDKIFGNFGECAEIAA.jimdettman@earthlink.net>

John,

<<The program is working fine actually, but the security has disappeared.>>

  Please define "disappeared".  What is or is not happening?

<< I am
now wondering if this is using some add-in that supercedes standard
security procedures.>>

  Access databases can have any extention and still execute (except for
LDB).  It is possible that the developer has implemented their own security
setup within the app and Access security is not being used.

  I would also ask; Has anything changed recently?  Hardware, software, OS,
setup, etc.

Jim.


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Clark
Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 9:19 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Security Problem w/existing program


Somebody at work came to me w/a problem today. Their program, which runs
on a Citrix box, is written in AXP, so they figured I could help them. I
am feeling a little dumb though because I'm not getting anywhere w/it.

The program is working fine actually, but the security has disappeared.
Now, I don't have much experience with Access security to begin with,
but I have been able to muddle my through it, in the past. However,
everything I've dealt with in the past seemed to include an MDW file,
but no such animal exists in this environment (did this go away with
XP?). I looked at a backup directory they have and it isn't there
either, which leads me to believe it is not just missing.

Instead however, there are a bunch of files I have never worked with
(i.e. .MDO, .MOD, .ODB, .MDA, .MOA). I found nothing, in a search, for
.MDO files, but I found out that .MDA files are "Access Add-ins." I am
now wondering if this is using some add-in that supercedes standard
security procedures. When working though, I believe it acts the same
way...they still go into DB security and manipulate workgroups and
users, and their rights.

Does anyone have any ideas of how I can troubleshoot this? I realize I
may not be giving enough info, but I really don't know what else to add,
at this point, so just ask if you need it. I am headed back into it now,
but I'll check back in a bit to see what y'all might have for me.

Thank you!

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From John.Clark at niagaracounty.com  Mon Aug  8 09:04:33 2005
From: John.Clark at niagaracounty.com (John Clark)
Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2005 10:04:33 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Security Problem w/existing program
Message-ID: <s2f72e8d.075@nebnov3.niagaracounty.com>

We got it working. Somehow the shortcut was changed, and it was missing
"/user" at the end of the command line. Without this, the program just
opened up, but was the same user, with limited rights, for everyone
(this is what I meant by missing...no login). 

Although it is now working, the user has to enter their password, which
was automated before. It used to bring in their Citrix login ID or of
the Windows server it is on. Maybe y'all know how to do this? What is
the syntax, in a shortcut, to drag in a users Windows ID?

I am glad I asked for help though, because I did learn something. I
hadn't realized that the extensions could be changed. I am going to look
into this a little more, because it may be useful for me.

>>> jimdettman at earthlink.net 8/8/2005 9:29 AM >>>
John,

<<The program is working fine actually, but the security has
disappeared.>>

  Please define "disappeared".  What is or is not happening?

<< I am
now wondering if this is using some add-in that supercedes standard
security procedures.>>

  Access databases can have any extention and still execute (except
for
LDB).  It is possible that the developer has implemented their own
security
setup within the app and Access security is not being used.

  I would also ask; Has anything changed recently?  Hardware, software,
OS,
setup, etc.

Jim.


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Clark
Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 9:19 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: [AccessD] Security Problem w/existing program


Somebody at work came to me w/a problem today. Their program, which
runs
on a Citrix box, is written in AXP, so they figured I could help them.
I
am feeling a little dumb though because I'm not getting anywhere w/it.

The program is working fine actually, but the security has
disappeared.
Now, I don't have much experience with Access security to begin with,
but I have been able to muddle my through it, in the past. However,
everything I've dealt with in the past seemed to include an MDW file,
but no such animal exists in this environment (did this go away with
XP?). I looked at a backup directory they have and it isn't there
either, which leads me to believe it is not just missing.

Instead however, there are a bunch of files I have never worked with
(i.e. .MDO, .MOD, .ODB, .MDA, .MOA). I found nothing, in a search, for
.MDO files, but I found out that .MDA files are "Access Add-ins." I am
now wondering if this is using some add-in that supercedes standard
security procedures. When working though, I believe it acts the same
way...they still go into DB security and manipulate workgroups and
users, and their rights.

Does anyone have any ideas of how I can troubleshoot this? I realize I
may not be giving enough info, but I really don't know what else to
add,
at this point, so just ask if you need it. I am headed back into it
now,
but I'll check back in a bit to see what y'all might have for me.

Thank you!

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From jimdettman at earthlink.net  Mon Aug  8 09:42:07 2005
From: jimdettman at earthlink.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 10:42:07 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Security Problem w/existing program
In-Reply-To: <s2f72e8d.075@nebnov3.niagaracounty.com>
Message-ID: <NDEALJOEGMMPCDKIFGNFOECKEIAA.jimdettman@earthlink.net>

John,

<<We got it working. Somehow the shortcut was changed, and it was missing
"/user" at the end of the command line. Without this, the program just
opened up, but was the same user, with limited rights, for everyone
(this is what I meant by missing...no login). >>

  Assuming that Access security is being used, that means that the Admin
account has a blank password.

  Access user-level security is always on, but by default, JET tries a login
with a username of admin and a blank password first.  If that succeeds, then
the login is bypassed.

  It's possible to secure a databases in such a way that you can leave the
default login like this, but give the admin user limited rights.

<< It used to bring in their Citrix login ID or of
the Windows server it is on. Maybe y'all know how to do this? What is
the syntax, in a shortcut, to drag in a users Windows ID?>>

  They must have had some type of "launcher" app that created the shortcut
on the fly.

<<I am glad I asked for help though, because I did learn something. I
hadn't realized that the extensions could be changed. I am going to look
into this a little more, because it may be useful for me.>>

  A lot of folks don't realize it.  MDA's, MDW's, etc are all MDB's and
Access really doesn't care about the extension at all.  Some MDA's are
distributed as an "MDE" (no source code) ala the Wizards back with A95.

  Like my mom always said; it's what is inside that counts<g>.

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Clark
Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 10:05 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Security Problem w/existing program


We got it working. Somehow the shortcut was changed, and it was missing
"/user" at the end of the command line. Without this, the program just
opened up, but was the same user, with limited rights, for everyone
(this is what I meant by missing...no login).

Although it is now working, the user has to enter their password, which
was automated before. It used to bring in their Citrix login ID or of
the Windows server it is on. Maybe y'all know how to do this? What is
the syntax, in a shortcut, to drag in a users Windows ID?

I am glad I asked for help though, because I did learn something. I
hadn't realized that the extensions could be changed. I am going to look
into this a little more, because it may be useful for me.

>>> jimdettman at earthlink.net 8/8/2005 9:29 AM >>>
John,

<<The program is working fine actually, but the security has
disappeared.>>

  Please define "disappeared".  What is or is not happening?

<< I am
now wondering if this is using some add-in that supercedes standard
security procedures.>>

  Access databases can have any extention and still execute (except
for
LDB).  It is possible that the developer has implemented their own
security
setup within the app and Access security is not being used.

  I would also ask; Has anything changed recently?  Hardware, software,
OS,
setup, etc.

Jim.


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Clark
Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 9:19 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Security Problem w/existing program


Somebody at work came to me w/a problem today. Their program, which
runs
on a Citrix box, is written in AXP, so they figured I could help them.
I
am feeling a little dumb though because I'm not getting anywhere w/it.

The program is working fine actually, but the security has
disappeared.
Now, I don't have much experience with Access security to begin with,
but I have been able to muddle my through it, in the past. However,
everything I've dealt with in the past seemed to include an MDW file,
but no such animal exists in this environment (did this go away with
XP?). I looked at a backup directory they have and it isn't there
either, which leads me to believe it is not just missing.

Instead however, there are a bunch of files I have never worked with
(i.e. .MDO, .MOD, .ODB, .MDA, .MOA). I found nothing, in a search, for
.MDO files, but I found out that .MDA files are "Access Add-ins." I am
now wondering if this is using some add-in that supercedes standard
security procedures. When working though, I believe it acts the same
way...they still go into DB security and manipulate workgroups and
users, and their rights.

Does anyone have any ideas of how I can troubleshoot this? I realize I
may not be giving enough info, but I really don't know what else to
add,
at this point, so just ask if you need it. I am headed back into it
now,
but I'll check back in a bit to see what y'all might have for me.

Thank you!

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From cyx5 at cdc.gov  Mon Aug  8 09:56:37 2005
From: cyx5 at cdc.gov (Nicholson, Karen)
Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 10:56:37 -0400
Subject: FW: [AccessD] Access 2003 Reports Not Working
Message-ID: <A5B5AA20555F594BA7B6BD2048E49E4376FDA7@m-niosh-5.niosh.cdc.gov>

 For reference, I found out why Access 2003 was not responding to
anything to do with the world of Printing on my end-user's pc.  The
security settings for the default printer were not set up with enough
freedom for the user to do much - she could print from other
applications in the 2003 suite but not Access 2003.  WIERD.



From fhtapia at gmail.com  Mon Aug  8 10:36:08 2005
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 08:36:08 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Online Archives
In-Reply-To: <EC829B33DF5B5B48A956B7A2E894AA9A01431F8E@PLSWB06C.ad.sprint.com>
References: <AcWaDeHgRxxiccbnQzOAavkihZ+q3gAAKF9g>
	<EC829B33DF5B5B48A956B7A2E894AA9A01431F8E@PLSWB06C.ad.sprint.com>
Message-ID: <b874372a050808083657dc73b6@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks,
This is what I was looking for... 

On 8/5/05, Mcgillivray, Don [ITS] <donald.a.Mcgillivray at mail.sprint.com> 
wrote:
> 
> Francisco,
> 
> Tick the box next to "Always use event procedures" under
> Options|Forms/Reports.
> 
> HTH
> 
> Don
> 
> 
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From roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk  Mon Aug  8 11:31:34 2005
From: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk (Roz Clarke)
Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 17:31:34 +0100 
Subject: [AccessD] ADO - 424 error
Message-ID: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C8318807225E4E@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>

Hi all

I am getting a 424 error (object required) at the line in the code below
which opens an ADO recordset:

    Dim cnn As New ADODB.Connection
    Dim rs_ReqList As ADODB.Recordset 'temp requests list for filtering
rs_Req
    Dim strSQL As String

    Set cnn = CurrentProject.Connection
    Set rs_ReqList = New ADODB.Recordset

    DoCmd.RunSQL "DELETE FROM tblTemp_AddDelegates"

    strSQL = "SELECT * from tblTemp_AddDelegates"
    rsReqList.Open strSQL, cnn, adOpenDynamic, adLockOptimistic, adCmdTable


In my experience, a 424 error is usually associated with a missing
reference, however my ADO reference is fine and I can open other recordsets.

It fails the same way if I pass the table name in instead of using a SQL
string.

I have identical code running in another database (different table
obviously) that works fine, and the fact that the table is empty shouldn't
cause a problem...

Anyone got any ideas? It looks so simple I can't believe it's not working 
/em bangs head on table

TIA

Roz
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Aug  8 11:50:32 2005
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 09:50:32 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] ADO - 424 error
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86873B8E@infoserver01.infostat.local>

What happens if you simply execute the DELETE SQL on the connection
instead of reverting to DAO to RunSQL?  Does that make a difference?  I
would expect the Open statement to need an adCmdText if you are passing
in a SQL string rather than a table name.  And is the table local or
linked?

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk] 
Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 9:32 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] ADO - 424 error


Hi all

I am getting a 424 error (object required) at the line in the code below
which opens an ADO recordset:

    Dim cnn As New ADODB.Connection
    Dim rs_ReqList As ADODB.Recordset 'temp requests list for filtering
rs_Req
    Dim strSQL As String

    Set cnn = CurrentProject.Connection
    Set rs_ReqList = New ADODB.Recordset

    DoCmd.RunSQL "DELETE FROM tblTemp_AddDelegates"

    strSQL = "SELECT * from tblTemp_AddDelegates"
    rsReqList.Open strSQL, cnn, adOpenDynamic, adLockOptimistic,
adCmdTable


In my experience, a 424 error is usually associated with a missing
reference, however my ADO reference is fine and I can open other
recordsets.

It fails the same way if I pass the table name in instead of using a SQL
string.

I have identical code running in another database (different table
obviously) that works fine, and the fact that the table is empty
shouldn't cause a problem...

Anyone got any ideas? It looks so simple I can't believe it's not
working 
/em bangs head on table

TIA

Roz


From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com  Mon Aug  8 11:50:21 2005
From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 12:50:21 -0400 
Subject: [AccessD] Fw: ICE - In Case of Emergency
Message-ID: <1D7828CDB8350747AFE9D69E0E90DA1F14254EBD@xlivmbx21.aig.com>

Re "
<http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/htdig/accessd/2005-August/036404.html>
Fw: ICE - In Case of Emergency "
 
So I watched this thread being discussed for a couple of days. I ignored it
for most of the time and then finally gave in to temptation and posted a
reply.
 
BAM! Back comes your 'please take it OT' message within a couple of hours.
AFAIKS no one else was offered this advice. Should I feel paranoid? <g>
 

Lambert 



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Aug  8 12:00:06 2005
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2005 13:00:06 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Fw: ICE - In Case of Emergency
In-Reply-To: <1D7828CDB8350747AFE9D69E0E90DA1F14254EBD@xlivmbx21.aig.com>
Message-ID: <00d601c59c3a$a0bdb2b0$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

>Should I feel paranoid? <g>

Yes, we are out to get you.  <VBG>

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert
Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 12:50 PM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Cc: 'ACCESS-L Email (ACCESS-L at PEACH.EASE.LSOFT.COM)'
Subject: [AccessD] Fw: ICE - In Case of Emergency


Re "
<http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/htdig/accessd/2005-August/036404.html>
Fw: ICE - In Case of Emergency "
 
So I watched this thread being discussed for a couple of days. I ignored it
for most of the time and then finally gave in to temptation and posted a
reply.
 
BAM! Back comes your 'please take it OT' message within a couple of hours.
AFAIKS no one else was offered this advice. Should I feel paranoid? <g>
 

Lambert 

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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Aug  8 12:01:26 2005
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2005 19:01:26 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] ADO - 424 error
Message-ID: <s2f7ac16.000@cactus.dk>

Hi Roz

Try this:

  rsReqList.Open strSQL, cnn, adOpenKeyset, adLockOptimistic

or

  rsReqList.Open "tblTemp_AddDelegates", cnn, adOpenKeyset,
adLockOptimistic, adCmdTable

And, as Charlotte suggests, use .Execute ...

/gustav


>>> roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk 08/08 6:31 pm >>>
Hi all

I am getting a 424 error (object required) at the line in the code
below
which opens an ADO recordset:

    Dim cnn As New ADODB.Connection
    Dim rs_ReqList As ADODB.Recordset 'temp requests list for
filtering
rs_Req
    Dim strSQL As String

    Set cnn = CurrentProject.Connection
    Set rs_ReqList = New ADODB.Recordset

    DoCmd.RunSQL "DELETE FROM tblTemp_AddDelegates"

    strSQL = "SELECT * from tblTemp_AddDelegates"
    rsReqList.Open strSQL, cnn, adOpenDynamic, adLockOptimistic,
adCmdTable


In my experience, a 424 error is usually associated with a missing
reference, however my ADO reference is fine and I can open other
recordsets.

It fails the same way if I pass the table name in instead of using a
SQL
string.

I have identical code running in another database (different table
obviously) that works fine, and the fact that the table is empty
shouldn't
cause a problem...

Anyone got any ideas? It looks so simple I can't believe it's not
working 
/em bangs head on table

TIA

Roz


From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Mon Aug  8 12:50:45 2005
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2005 10:50:45 -0700
Subject: FW: [AccessD] Access 2003 Reports Not Working
References: <A5B5AA20555F594BA7B6BD2048E49E4376FDA7@m-niosh-5.niosh.cdc.gov>
Message-ID: <42F79B75.2040800@shaw.ca>

One thing I do, if I run into this problem and I have install rights is 
put up a PDF printer driver
Adobe, cutepdf or amyuni. This guarantees there is at least one printer 
on the machine albeit a virtual one,
that prints to a file

Nicholson, Karen wrote:

> For reference, I found out why Access 2003 was not responding to
>anything to do with the world of Printing on my end-user's pc.  The
>security settings for the default printer were not set up with enough
>freedom for the user to do much - she could print from other
>applications in the 2003 suite but not Access 2003.  WIERD.
>
>  
>

-- 
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Victoria, B.C.
Canada





From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Mon Aug  8 13:01:59 2005
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2005 11:01:59 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Security Problem w/existing program
References: <s2f72e8d.075@nebnov3.niagaracounty.com>
Message-ID: <42F79E17.4080706@shaw.ca>

I wouldn't mind a peek at your shortcut command line, curious if you 
also have a workgroup file there.
or you are using the default system.mdw
It could also be that your original shortcut command line  was running a 
.vbs file to start things off like below.
You could add code here to determine login id etc.

I trust you have sent off the local villagers with pitchforks and 
torches to hunt down the original program documentor.

'Begin VBScript
dim Ws
dim s
set Ws = CreateObject("Wscript.Shell")
s = """d:\program files\microsoft office\office\msaccess""" & _
 " " & """f:\access\testarea\test.mdb?""" & " /compact"
ws.run s,,-1  
s = """d:\program files\microsoft office\office\msaccess""" & _
" " & """f:\access\testarea\test.mdb?"""
ws.run s,,0
wscript.quit(0)
'End VBScript

John Clark wrote:

>We got it working. Somehow the shortcut was changed, and it was missing
>"/user" at the end of the command line. Without this, the program just
>opened up, but was the same user, with limited rights, for everyone
>(this is what I meant by missing...no login). 
>
>Although it is now working, the user has to enter their password, which
>was automated before. It used to bring in their Citrix login ID or of
>the Windows server it is on. Maybe y'all know how to do this? What is
>the syntax, in a shortcut, to drag in a users Windows ID?
>
>I am glad I asked for help though, because I did learn something. I
>hadn't realized that the extensions could be changed. I am going to look
>into this a little more, because it may be useful for me.
>
>  
>
>>>>jimdettman at earthlink.net 8/8/2005 9:29 AM >>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>John,
>
><<The program is working fine actually, but the security has
>disappeared.>>
>
>  Please define "disappeared".  What is or is not happening?
>
><< I am
>now wondering if this is using some add-in that supercedes standard
>security procedures.>>
>
>  Access databases can have any extention and still execute (except
>for
>LDB).  It is possible that the developer has implemented their own
>security
>setup within the app and Access security is not being used.
>
>  I would also ask; Has anything changed recently?  Hardware, software,
>OS,
>setup, etc.
>
>Jim.
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Clark
>Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 9:19 AM
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
>Subject: [AccessD] Security Problem w/existing program
>
>
>Somebody at work came to me w/a problem today. Their program, which
>runs
>on a Citrix box, is written in AXP, so they figured I could help them.
>I
>am feeling a little dumb though because I'm not getting anywhere w/it.
>
>The program is working fine actually, but the security has
>disappeared.
>Now, I don't have much experience with Access security to begin with,
>but I have been able to muddle my through it, in the past. However,
>everything I've dealt with in the past seemed to include an MDW file,
>but no such animal exists in this environment (did this go away with
>XP?). I looked at a backup directory they have and it isn't there
>either, which leads me to believe it is not just missing.
>
>Instead however, there are a bunch of files I have never worked with
>(i.e. .MDO, .MOD, .ODB, .MDA, .MOA). I found nothing, in a search, for
>.MDO files, but I found out that .MDA files are "Access Add-ins." I am
>now wondering if this is using some add-in that supercedes standard
>security procedures. When working though, I believe it acts the same
>way...they still go into DB security and manipulate workgroups and
>users, and their rights.
>
>Does anyone have any ideas of how I can troubleshoot this? I realize I
>may not be giving enough info, but I really don't know what else to
>add,
>at this point, so just ask if you need it. I am headed back into it
>now,
>but I'll check back in a bit to see what y'all might have for me.
>
>Thank you!
>
>John W Clark
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>
>
>  
>

-- 
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Victoria, B.C.
Canada





From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com  Mon Aug  8 13:02:57 2005
From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 14:02:57 -0400 
Subject: [AccessD] Fw: ICE - In Case of Emergency
Message-ID: <1D7828CDB8350747AFE9D69E0E90DA1F14254F0F@xlivmbx21.aig.com>

But I though the saying went... 'just because everyone is out to get you it
does not mean you are paranoid'? <vvbg>

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 1:00 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Fw: ICE - In Case of Emergency


>Should I feel paranoid? <g>

Yes, we are out to get you.  <VBG>

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Aug  8 13:14:05 2005
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2005 14:14:05 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Spread the word - USA ONLY
Message-ID: <00e301c59c44$f9ef35c0$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

https://www.optoutprescreen.com/?rf=t

A web site to specifically opt out of credit card and insurance junk mail
(USA only).

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/




From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Aug  8 13:17:13 2005
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 11:17:13 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Fw: ICE - In Case of Emergency
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86873B8F@infoserver01.infostat.local>

No, you have that wrong.  It's, "Just because you're paranoid it doesn't
mean they're not out to get you!"

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Heenan, Lambert [mailto:Lambert.Heenan at aig.com] 
Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 11:03 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Fw: ICE - In Case of Emergency


But I though the saying went... 'just because everyone is out to get you
it does not mean you are paranoid'? <vvbg>

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 1:00 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Fw: ICE - In Case of Emergency


>Should I feel paranoid? <g>

Yes, we are out to get you.  <VBG>

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com  Mon Aug  8 13:34:14 2005
From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 14:34:14 -0400 
Subject: [AccessD] Fw: ICE - In Case of Emergency
Message-ID: <1D7828CDB8350747AFE9D69E0E90DA1F14254F31@xlivmbx21.aig.com>

Ah yes. I remember now. That way just the way my therapist put it as he was
hitting me over the head with a copy of the Access Developer's handbook. :-)

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 2:17 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Fw: ICE - In Case of Emergency


No, you have that wrong.  It's, "Just because you're paranoid it doesn't
mean they're not out to get you!"

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Heenan, Lambert [mailto:Lambert.Heenan at aig.com] 
Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 11:03 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Fw: ICE - In Case of Emergency


But I though the saying went... 'just because everyone is out to get you it
does not mean you are paranoid'? <vvbg>

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 1:00 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Fw: ICE - In Case of Emergency


>Should I feel paranoid? <g>

Yes, we are out to get you.  <VBG>

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Mon Aug  8 14:15:40 2005
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 20:15:40 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Fw: ICE - In Case of Emergency
In-Reply-To: <1D7828CDB8350747AFE9D69E0E90DA1F14254EBD@xlivmbx21.aig.com>
Message-ID: <000001c59c4d$90e1d020$901b0c54@minster33c3r25>

Hi Lambert
The request to take it to OT was to the thread not to you personally. I just
replied, as normally, to the last message on the thread. That just happened
to be yours. So I'm sorry if you were upset/offended/taken aback or whatever
but there was absolutely nothing aimed specifically at you. I was in fact
responding to a direct request to the moderators to intervene, cos, for
better or worse, that's our 'job'.

Cheers

-- Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Heenan, Lambert
> Sent: 08 August 2005 17:50
> To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
> Cc: 'ACCESS-L Email (ACCESS-L at PEACH.EASE.LSOFT.COM)'
> Subject: [AccessD] Fw: ICE - In Case of Emergency
> 
> 
> Re " 
> <http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/htdig/accessd/2005-August
/036404.html>
Fw: ICE - In Case of Emergency "
 
So I watched this thread being discussed for a couple of days. I ignored it
for most of the time and then finally gave in to temptation and posted a
reply.
 
BAM! Back comes your 'please take it OT' message within a couple of hours.
AFAIKS no one else was offered this advice. Should I feel paranoid? <g>
 

Lambert 

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From artful at rogers.com  Mon Aug  8 17:17:16 2005
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 18:17:16 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Clear Debug Window Programmatically
In-Reply-To: <000001c59c4d$90e1d020$901b0c54@minster33c3r25>
Message-ID: <200508082217.j78MHLR02524@databaseadvisors.com>

Is there a way to clear the debug window programmatically?

TIA,
Arthur



From dw-murphy at cox.net  Mon Aug  8 18:06:37 2005
From: dw-murphy at cox.net (Doug Murphy)
Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 16:06:37 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Adding pdf creation capabilities to distributed runtimes.
In-Reply-To: <200508082217.j78MHLR02524@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <000d01c59c6d$d438aea0$0200a8c0@murphyf3vdfepi>

Folks,

I know there has been a lot of discussion about the various pdf print
drivers that can be integrated with Access to output reports in pdf format.
I am interested in what any of you has experienced with using the CutePDF
SDK with an Access runtime.  We distribute a product as a runtime.  The
installation is built with Wise using the Sagekey scripts for Access 2002.
We have had good luck with this so far, but I would like to add a print to
pdf capability to the product.  The CutePDF SDK with unlimited distribution
as part of a product is interesting since the price is about one fifth of
other, similar products.  Do any of you know of shortcomings or problems
with using this product with runtime applications?

Thanks in advance for sharing your experiences.

Doug



From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Aug  8 19:53:42 2005
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 17:53:42 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Clear Debug Window Programmatically
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86873B93@infoserver01.infostat.local>

I seem to remember someone coming up with a method, but I can't remember
where! :-<  It would probably require a reference to the extensibility
library.

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Arthur Fuller [mailto:artful at rogers.com] 
Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 3:17 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Clear Debug Window Programmatically


Is there a way to clear the debug window programmatically?

TIA,
Arthur

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From dejpolsys at hotmail.com  Mon Aug  8 20:01:25 2005
From: dejpolsys at hotmail.com (William Hindman)
Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 21:01:25 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Spread the word - USA ONLY
References: <00e301c59c44$f9ef35c0$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <BAY103-DAV33DF39B2E9FDC99EA1379AEBB0@phx.gbl>

..but ...wouldn't this threaten the Post Office's profits? ...not very 
patriotic of you JC :)

William

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John W. Colby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 2:14 PM
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Spread the word - USA ONLY


> https://www.optoutprescreen.com/?rf=t
>
> A web site to specifically opt out of credit card and insurance junk mail
> (USA only).
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
> http://folding.stanford.edu/
>
>
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Aug  8 20:26:19 2005
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2005 21:26:19 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Spread the word - USA ONLY
In-Reply-To: <BAY103-DAV33DF39B2E9FDC99EA1379AEBB0@phx.gbl>
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LOL, I have been called worse!

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/

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Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 9:01 PM
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Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Spread the word - USA ONLY


..but ...wouldn't this threaten the Post Office's profits? ...not very 
patriotic of you JC :)

William

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Subject: [AccessD] OT: Spread the word - USA ONLY


> https://www.optoutprescreen.com/?rf=t
>
> A web site to specifically opt out of credit card and insurance junk 
> mail (USA only).
>
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From paul.hartland at isharp.co.uk  Tue Aug  9 01:53:54 2005
From: paul.hartland at isharp.co.uk (Paul Hartland (ISHARP))
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 07:53:54 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] ADO - 424 error
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Should there be an _ in the rs variable

Dim rs_ReqList As ADODB.Recordset 'temp requests list for filtering rs_Req
rsReqList.Open strSQL, cnn, adOpenDynamic, adLockOptimistic, adCmdTable 

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: 08 August 2005 18:01
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] ADO - 424 error

Hi Roz

Try this:

  rsReqList.Open strSQL, cnn, adOpenKeyset, adLockOptimistic

or

  rsReqList.Open "tblTemp_AddDelegates", cnn, adOpenKeyset,
adLockOptimistic, adCmdTable

And, as Charlotte suggests, use .Execute ...

/gustav


>>> roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk 08/08 6:31 pm >>>
Hi all

I am getting a 424 error (object required) at the line in the code below
which opens an ADO recordset:

    Dim cnn As New ADODB.Connection
    Dim rs_ReqList As ADODB.Recordset 'temp requests list for filtering
rs_Req
    Dim strSQL As String

    Set cnn = CurrentProject.Connection
    Set rs_ReqList = New ADODB.Recordset

    DoCmd.RunSQL "DELETE FROM tblTemp_AddDelegates"

    strSQL = "SELECT * from tblTemp_AddDelegates"
    rsReqList.Open strSQL, cnn, adOpenDynamic, adLockOptimistic, adCmdTable


In my experience, a 424 error is usually associated with a missing
reference, however my ADO reference is fine and I can open other recordsets.

It fails the same way if I pass the table name in instead of using a SQL
string.

I have identical code running in another database (different table
obviously) that works fine, and the fact that the table is empty shouldn't
cause a problem...

Anyone got any ideas? It looks so simple I can't believe it's not working
/em bangs head on table

TIA

Roz
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From roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk  Tue Aug  9 03:00:39 2005
From: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk (Roz Clarke)
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 09:00:39 +0100 
Subject: [AccessD] ADO - 424 error
Message-ID: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C8318807225E50@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>

Thanks for answering.

Urr... I'm not sure how to execute the SQL on the connection.

The cmdTable was left over from when I was passing it the table name, well
spotted, it didn't work either way though.

The table is local.

-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com] 
Sent: 08 August 2005 17:51
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] ADO - 424 error


What happens if you simply execute the DELETE SQL on the connection instead
of reverting to DAO to RunSQL?  Does that make a difference?  I would expect
the Open statement to need an adCmdText if you are passing in a SQL string
rather than a table name.  And is the table local or linked?

Charlotte Foust


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Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 9:32 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] ADO - 424 error


Hi all

I am getting a 424 error (object required) at the line in the code below
which opens an ADO recordset:

    Dim cnn As New ADODB.Connection
    Dim rs_ReqList As ADODB.Recordset 'temp requests list for filtering
rs_Req
    Dim strSQL As String

    Set cnn = CurrentProject.Connection
    Set rs_ReqList = New ADODB.Recordset

    DoCmd.RunSQL "DELETE FROM tblTemp_AddDelegates"

    strSQL = "SELECT * from tblTemp_AddDelegates"
    rsReqList.Open strSQL, cnn, adOpenDynamic, adLockOptimistic, adCmdTable


In my experience, a 424 error is usually associated with a missing
reference, however my ADO reference is fine and I can open other recordsets.

It fails the same way if I pass the table name in instead of using a SQL
string.

I have identical code running in another database (different table
obviously) that works fine, and the fact that the table is empty shouldn't
cause a problem...

Anyone got any ideas? It looks so simple I can't believe it's not working 
/em bangs head on table

TIA

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From roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk  Tue Aug  9 03:18:40 2005
From: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk (Roz Clarke)
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 09:18:40 +0100 
Subject: [AccessD] ADO - 424 error
Message-ID: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C8318807225E51@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>

You star

I knew it had to be something simple :/

I will blame my stupidity on the flu - thank you, and thanks to Charlotte
and Gustav for your attempts to help also.

Roz

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From: Paul Hartland (ISHARP) [mailto:paul.hartland at isharp.co.uk] 
Sent: 09 August 2005 07:54
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] ADO - 424 error


Should there be an _ in the rs variable

Dim rs_ReqList As ADODB.Recordset 'temp requests list for filtering rs_Req
rsReqList.Open strSQL, cnn, adOpenDynamic, adLockOptimistic, adCmdTable 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: 08 August 2005 18:01
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] ADO - 424 error

Hi Roz

Try this:

  rsReqList.Open strSQL, cnn, adOpenKeyset, adLockOptimistic

or

  rsReqList.Open "tblTemp_AddDelegates", cnn, adOpenKeyset,
adLockOptimistic, adCmdTable

And, as Charlotte suggests, use .Execute ...

/gustav


>>> roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk 08/08 6:31 pm >>>
Hi all

I am getting a 424 error (object required) at the line in the code below
which opens an ADO recordset:

    Dim cnn As New ADODB.Connection
    Dim rs_ReqList As ADODB.Recordset 'temp requests list for filtering
rs_Req
    Dim strSQL As String

    Set cnn = CurrentProject.Connection
    Set rs_ReqList = New ADODB.Recordset

    DoCmd.RunSQL "DELETE FROM tblTemp_AddDelegates"

    strSQL = "SELECT * from tblTemp_AddDelegates"
    rsReqList.Open strSQL, cnn, adOpenDynamic, adLockOptimistic, adCmdTable


In my experience, a 424 error is usually associated with a missing
reference, however my ADO reference is fine and I can open other recordsets.

It fails the same way if I pass the table name in instead of using a SQL
string.

I have identical code running in another database (different table
obviously) that works fine, and the fact that the table is empty shouldn't
cause a problem...

Anyone got any ideas? It looks so simple I can't believe it's not working
/em bangs head on table

TIA

Roz
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From roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk  Tue Aug  9 03:36:29 2005
From: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk (Roz Clarke)
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 09:36:29 +0100 
Subject: [AccessD] Discard changes in a query
Message-ID: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C8318807225E52@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>

Another stupid question from me...

I have just taken over working on a databae app, nothing scary, just a
training records database. In this database, unlike any other I am currently
using, I do not get the option to discard an unsaved query. I have to save
it with a name and then delete it. How can I set it so it just throws it
away, like my other databases do?

TIA

Roz
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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Aug  9 03:59:18 2005
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 10:59:18 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] ADO - 424 error
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Hi Paul and Roz

Nice catch Paul. And Roz, you know how to prevent this kind of errors,
right?

/gustav

>>> roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk 08/09 10:18 am >>>
You star

I knew it had to be something simple :/

I will blame my stupidity on the flu - thank you, and thanks to
Charlotte
and Gustav for your attempts to help also.

Roz

-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Hartland (ISHARP) [mailto:paul.hartland at isharp.co.uk] 
Sent: 09 August 2005 07:54
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] ADO - 424 error


Should there be an _ in the rs variable



From roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk  Tue Aug  9 04:15:10 2005
From: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk (Roz Clarke)
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 10:15:10 +0100 
Subject: [AccessD] ADO - 424 error
Message-ID: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C8318807225E54@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>

yeh yeh, Option Explicit

/em sheepish grin

I'm just tweaking someone else's application and I guess I've gone in with
both eyes closed.

-----Original Message-----
From: Gustav Brock [mailto:Gustav at cactus.dk] 
Sent: 09 August 2005 09:59
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] ADO - 424 error


Hi Paul and Roz

Nice catch Paul. And Roz, you know how to prevent this kind of errors,
right?

/gustav

>>> roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk 08/09 10:18 am >>>
You star

I knew it had to be something simple :/

I will blame my stupidity on the flu - thank you, and thanks to Charlotte
and Gustav for your attempts to help also.

Roz

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Subject: RE: [AccessD] ADO - 424 error


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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Tue Aug  9 04:15:32 2005
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 10:15:32 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Discard changes in a query
Message-ID: <20050809091530.99B7C250282@smtp.nildram.co.uk>

Hi Roz
It sounds like DoCmd.SetWarnings has been left False. Just execute a
DoCmd.SetWarnings True in the Immediate window and see if that cures it. If
it does, and the problem cmes back, then some code somewhere is setting it
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To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
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Subject: [AccessD] Discard changes in a query
Date: 09/08/05 08:36

Another stupid question from me...

I have just taken over working on a databae app, nothing scary, just a
training records database. In this database, unlike any other I am currently
using, I do not get the option to discard an unsaved query. I have to save
it with a name and then delete it. How can I set it so it just throws it
away, like my other databases do?

TIA

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From roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk  Tue Aug  9 04:20:56 2005
From: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk (Roz Clarke)
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 10:20:56 +0100 
Subject: [AccessD] Discard changes in a query
Message-ID: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C8318807225E55@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>

Cheers Andy

Remind me never to take over someone else's work, I keep falling over these
weird little issues :/

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Sent: 09 August 2005 10:16
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Discard changes in a query


Hi Roz
It sounds like DoCmd.SetWarnings has been left False. Just execute a
DoCmd.SetWarnings True in the Immediate window and see if that cures it. If
it does, and the problem cmes back, then some code somewhere is setting it
False and not back to True again.

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To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
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Subject: [AccessD] Discard changes in a query
Date: 09/08/05 08:36

Another stupid question from me...

I have just taken over working on a databae app, nothing scary, just a
training records database. In this database, unlike any other I am currently
using, I do not get the option to discard an unsaved query. I have to save
it with a name and then delete it. How can I set it so it just throws it
away, like my other databases do?

TIA

Roz







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From jimdettman at earthlink.net  Tue Aug  9 06:09:57 2005
From: jimdettman at earthlink.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 07:09:57 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Clear Debug Window Programmatically
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Arthur,

1. Write a autokey marco to do:

Ctrl/G
Crtl/A
{del}

2. Write a autokey macro to do:
Ctrl/G
Ctrl+Home
Shift+Ctrl+End
{del}

3. Call a procedure:

Sub ClearImmediateWindow()
  'Make sure that the Immediate window is visible
  Application.VBE.Windows("Immediate").Visible = True
  
  'Activate the Immediate window
  Application.VBE.Windows("Immediate").SetFocus
  
  'Send keystrokes to clear the Immediate window
  SendKeys "^{HOME}^+{END}{DEL}"
End Sub

Jim.


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Is there a way to clear the debug window programmatically?

TIA,
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From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com  Tue Aug  9 08:12:43 2005
From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 09:12:43 -0400 
Subject: [AccessD] Clear Debug Window Programmatically
Message-ID: <1D7828CDB8350747AFE9D69E0E90DA1F1425506B@xlivmbx21.aig.com>

Or...

Sub clearDebug()
Dim n As Long
For n = 1 To 200
    Debug.Print
Next
End Sub

It works a treat, in the blink of an eye - because the Immediate window only
every displays 199 lines, max. No need for the dreaded SendKeys either.

Lambert

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Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 7:10 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Clear Debug Window Programmatically


Arthur,

1. Write a autokey marco to do:

Ctrl/G
Crtl/A
{del}

2. Write a autokey macro to do:
Ctrl/G
Ctrl+Home
Shift+Ctrl+End
{del}

3. Call a procedure:

Sub ClearImmediateWindow()
  'Make sure that the Immediate window is visible
  Application.VBE.Windows("Immediate").Visible = True
  
  'Activate the Immediate window
  Application.VBE.Windows("Immediate").SetFocus
  
  'Send keystrokes to clear the Immediate window
  SendKeys "^{HOME}^+{END}{DEL}"
End Sub

Jim.


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Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 6:17 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Clear Debug Window Programmatically


Is there a way to clear the debug window programmatically?

TIA,
Arthur

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From jimdettman at earthlink.net  Tue Aug  9 08:29:59 2005
From: jimdettman at earthlink.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 09:29:59 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Clear Debug Window Programmatically
In-Reply-To: <1D7828CDB8350747AFE9D69E0E90DA1F1425506B@xlivmbx21.aig.com>
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Lambert,

  Yes, that would work too, but if the size of the debug window ever changed
it would fail.  The other methods would not.  Moot point I know as it
probably never will change<g>

  That method too would work in all cases where the first method I gave
would fail on some international versions (the second method always works
though).

Jim.

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Lambert
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 9:13 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Clear Debug Window Programmatically


Or...

Sub clearDebug()
Dim n As Long
For n = 1 To 200
    Debug.Print
Next
End Sub

It works a treat, in the blink of an eye - because the Immediate window only
every displays 199 lines, max. No need for the dreaded SendKeys either.

Lambert

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Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 7:10 AM
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Subject: RE: [AccessD] Clear Debug Window Programmatically


Arthur,

1. Write a autokey marco to do:

Ctrl/G
Crtl/A
{del}

2. Write a autokey macro to do:
Ctrl/G
Ctrl+Home
Shift+Ctrl+End
{del}

3. Call a procedure:

Sub ClearImmediateWindow()
  'Make sure that the Immediate window is visible
  Application.VBE.Windows("Immediate").Visible = True

  'Activate the Immediate window
  Application.VBE.Windows("Immediate").SetFocus

  'Send keystrokes to clear the Immediate window
  SendKeys "^{HOME}^+{END}{DEL}"
End Sub

Jim.


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Subject: [AccessD] Clear Debug Window Programmatically


Is there a way to clear the debug window programmatically?

TIA,
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From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com  Tue Aug  9 08:38:59 2005
From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 09:38:59 -0400 
Subject: [AccessD] Clear Debug Window Programmatically
Message-ID: <1D7828CDB8350747AFE9D69E0E90DA1F1425508A@xlivmbx21.aig.com>

Totally agree Jim.  My only addition to the discussion would be that I doubt
if a routine to clear the debug window is going to be "mission critical" for
an application. It sounds like a developers wish-list item.

Lambert

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Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 9:30 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Clear Debug Window Programmatically


Lambert,

  Yes, that would work too, but if the size of the debug window ever changed
it would fail.  The other methods would not.  Moot point I know as it
probably never will change<g>

  That method too would work in all cases where the first method I gave
would fail on some international versions (the second method always works
though).

Jim.

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 9:13 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Clear Debug Window Programmatically


Or...

Sub clearDebug()
Dim n As Long
For n = 1 To 200
    Debug.Print
Next
End Sub

It works a treat, in the blink of an eye - because the Immediate window only
every displays 199 lines, max. No need for the dreaded SendKeys either.

Lambert

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Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 7:10 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Clear Debug Window Programmatically


Arthur,

1. Write a autokey marco to do:

Ctrl/G
Crtl/A
{del}

2. Write a autokey macro to do:
Ctrl/G
Ctrl+Home
Shift+Ctrl+End
{del}

3. Call a procedure:

Sub ClearImmediateWindow()
  'Make sure that the Immediate window is visible
  Application.VBE.Windows("Immediate").Visible = True

  'Activate the Immediate window
  Application.VBE.Windows("Immediate").SetFocus

  'Send keystrokes to clear the Immediate window
  SendKeys "^{HOME}^+{END}{DEL}"
End Sub

Jim.


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Subject: [AccessD] Clear Debug Window Programmatically


Is there a way to clear the debug window programmatically?

TIA,
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From Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com  Tue Aug  9 08:44:24 2005
From: Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com (Hale, Jim)
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 08:44:24 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] Adding pdf creation capabilities to distributed run
	times.
Message-ID: <6A6AA9DF57E4F046BDA1E273BDDB6772337762@corp-es01.fleetpride.com>

If you have a need to switch from portrait to landscape within a document
test this out to see if it works with your chosen writer. I have had
problems with this in the past with various pdf writers.
Jim

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Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 6:07 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Adding pdf creation capabilities to distributed
runtimes.


Folks,

I know there has been a lot of discussion about the various pdf print
drivers that can be integrated with Access to output reports in pdf format.
I am interested in what any of you has experienced with using the CutePDF
SDK with an Access runtime.  We distribute a product as a runtime.  The
installation is built with Wise using the Sagekey scripts for Access 2002.
We have had good luck with this so far, but I would like to add a print to
pdf capability to the product.  The CutePDF SDK with unlimited distribution
as part of a product is interesting since the price is about one fifth of
other, similar products.  Do any of you know of shortcomings or problems
with using this product with runtime applications?

Thanks in advance for sharing your experiences.

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To all,
I have a VB application that over the last two days the majority of users have encountered dramatic page file size increases when opening a report, I use the same application and mine hardly moves....
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From prosoft6 at hotmail.com  Tue Aug  9 10:04:37 2005
From: prosoft6 at hotmail.com (Julie Reardon-Taylor)
Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 11:04:37 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Adding pdf creation capabilities to distributed
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We used deskpdf25. I'll send the link if you are interested.



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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue Aug  9 10:38:58 2005
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 08:38:58 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Clear Debug Window Programmatically
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86873B95@infoserver01.infostat.local>

On further thought, what's wrong with right-clicking the immediate
window and selecting Clear? 

Charlotte Foust


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Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 3:17 PM
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Subject: [AccessD] Clear Debug Window Programmatically


Is there a way to clear the debug window programmatically?

TIA,
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From tom.bolton at donnslaw.co.uk  Tue Aug  9 10:44:31 2005
From: tom.bolton at donnslaw.co.uk (Tom Bolton)
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 16:44:31 +0100 
Subject: [AccessD] Clear Debug Window Programmatically
Message-ID: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C831880802A2B7@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>

Absolutely nothing, now I know I can!!  Brilliant.

The things you learn  :-)

Tom



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Sent: 09-Aug-2005 16:39
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Clear Debug Window Programmatically

On further thought, what's wrong with right-clicking the immediate
window and selecting Clear? 

Charlotte Foust


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Is there a way to clear the debug window programmatically?

TIA,
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From Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org  Tue Aug  9 10:48:19 2005
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Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 11:48:19 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Clear Debug Window Programmatically
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Could be a problem if you're using A97 though!!

Jim DeMarco

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Absolutely nothing, now I know I can!!  Brilliant.

The things you learn  :-)

Tom



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Sent: 09-Aug-2005 16:39
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Clear Debug Window Programmatically

On further thought, what's wrong with right-clicking the immediate
window and selecting Clear? 

Charlotte Foust


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Is there a way to clear the debug window programmatically?

TIA,
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Aug  9 10:51:25 2005
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Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 11:51:25 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Clear Debug Window Programmatically
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LOL. the things we've never tried before.  I must say I never did that
either.

Thanks Charlotte.

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Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 11:45 AM
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Absolutely nothing, now I know I can!!  Brilliant.

The things you learn  :-)

Tom



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Sent: 09-Aug-2005 16:39
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Clear Debug Window Programmatically

On further thought, what's wrong with right-clicking the immediate window
and selecting Clear? 

Charlotte Foust


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Is there a way to clear the debug window programmatically?

TIA,
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue Aug  9 10:56:50 2005
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 08:56:50 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Clear Debug Window Programmatically
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86873B96@infoserver01.infostat.local>

True, but in that case, you have bigger problems! LOL

Charlotte Foust


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Could be a problem if you're using A97 though!!

Jim DeMarco

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Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 11:45 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Clear Debug Window Programmatically


Absolutely nothing, now I know I can!!  Brilliant.

The things you learn  :-)

Tom



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From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com] 
Sent: 09-Aug-2005 16:39
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Clear Debug Window Programmatically

On further thought, what's wrong with right-clicking the immediate
window and selecting Clear? 

Charlotte Foust


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Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 3:17 PM
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Is there a way to clear the debug window programmatically?

TIA,
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From artful at rogers.com  Tue Aug  9 10:59:39 2005
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 11:59:39 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Clear Debug Window Programmatically
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All the ostensible gurus gather around Charlotte and genuflect -- me most of
all. I never thought of that either.

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LOL. the things we've never tried before.  I must say I never did that
either.

Thanks Charlotte.

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Absolutely nothing, now I know I can!!  Brilliant.

The things you learn  :-)

Tom



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Sent: 09-Aug-2005 16:39
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Subject: RE: [AccessD] Clear Debug Window Programmatically

On further thought, what's wrong with right-clicking the immediate window
and selecting Clear? 

Charlotte Foust


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Is there a way to clear the debug window programmatically?

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From Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org  Tue Aug  9 11:30:10 2005
From: Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 12:30:10 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Clear Debug Window Programmatically
Message-ID: <08F823FD83787D4BA0B99CA580AD3C74016C3C6C@TTNEXCHCL2.hshhp.com>

I knew that was coming ;-)

Jim D.

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True, but in that case, you have bigger problems! LOL

Charlotte Foust


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Subject: RE: [AccessD] Clear Debug Window Programmatically


Could be a problem if you're using A97 though!!

Jim DeMarco

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Absolutely nothing, now I know I can!!  Brilliant.

The things you learn  :-)

Tom



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Sent: 09-Aug-2005 16:39
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Subject: RE: [AccessD] Clear Debug Window Programmatically

On further thought, what's wrong with right-clicking the immediate
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Charlotte Foust


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Is there a way to clear the debug window programmatically?

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue Aug  9 11:37:39 2005
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 09:37:39 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Clear Debug Window Programmatically
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86873B97@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Now, Arthur, there's no need to genuflect.  Just lighting a few candles,
burning some incense, that sort of thing will suffice. <VBG>

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Arthur Fuller [mailto:artful at rogers.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 9:00 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Clear Debug Window Programmatically


All the ostensible gurus gather around Charlotte and genuflect -- me
most of all. I never thought of that either.


From ssharkins at bellsouth.net  Tue Aug  9 14:04:43 2005
From: ssharkins at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 15:04:43 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Conversion to adp
Message-ID: <20050809190444.ZWLD25678.ibm61aec.bellsouth.net@SUSANONE>

I'm wondering what you guys would charge to convert an mdb file to an adp?
No code upgrade, just the objects? How would you determine what to charge --
I'm sure you'd have to see the mdb first -- but what would you be looking
for? 
 
Susan H. 


From BarbaraRyan at cox.net  Tue Aug  9 14:20:20 2005
From: BarbaraRyan at cox.net (Barbara Ryan)
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 15:20:20 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Query difference between Access 97 and 2002
Message-ID: <006401c59d17$629ea560$0a00a8c0@cx470148a>

I have converted an Access 97 application to Access 2002 (XP).  A query that works in 97 will no longer work in XP.  The  field in the query causing the problem is referencing an unbound text box on an open form, i.e., the field name in the query is "PeriodEndDate:[Forms]![frmPerDiemEntry]![txtPeriodEndDate]".  When I execute the query in 97, I see the contents of txtPeriodEndDate; however, in XP, it is blank/null.

Any ideas?

Thanks,
Barb Ryan

From jimdettman at earthlink.net  Tue Aug  9 14:21:16 2005
From: jimdettman at earthlink.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 15:21:16 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Query difference between Access 97 and 2002
In-Reply-To: <006401c59d17$629ea560$0a00a8c0@cx470148a>
Message-ID: <NDEALJOEGMMPCDKIFGNFKELHEIAA.jimdettman@earthlink.net>

Barb,

  Make sure you explicitly type (text, date, integer) the data expected in
the control (in query design, goto query/parameters).

Jim.

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Barbara Ryan
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 3:20 PM
To: Access List
Subject: [AccessD] Query difference between Access 97 and 2002


I have converted an Access 97 application to Access 2002 (XP).  A query that
works in 97 will no longer work in XP.  The  field in the query causing the
problem is referencing an unbound text box on an open form, i.e., the field
name in the query is
"PeriodEndDate:[Forms]![frmPerDiemEntry]![txtPeriodEndDate]".  When I
execute the query in 97, I see the contents of txtPeriodEndDate; however, in
XP, it is blank/null.

Any ideas?

Thanks,
Barb Ryan
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Tue Aug  9 15:12:12 2005
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 06:12:12 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Clear Debug Window Programmatically
In-Reply-To: <200508091559.j79FxjR05200@databaseadvisors.com>
References: <005c01c59cfa$360743d0$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <42F99ABC.23040.326CC562@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

On 9 Aug 2005 at 11:59, Arthur Fuller wrote:

> All the ostensible gurus gather around Charlotte and genuflect -- me most of
> all. I never thought of that either.
> 
.....
> 
> On further thought, what's wrong with right-clicking the immediate window
> and selecting Clear? 
> 
> Charlotte Foust
> 

Two things:

1. It's only works in XP and above.
2. It is not programmatic, which was what was asked for. 



-- 
Stuart




From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue Aug  9 15:32:06 2005
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 13:32:06 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Query difference between Access 97 and 2002
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86873B98@infoserver01.infostat.local>

In addition to Jin's suggestion, check the query parameter for that
reference and make sure all the square brackets are in the right places.
In 97 you could leave them out entirely or put them around a single
element of the reference.  In 2000 and later, the query engine will
insert a pair of square brackets around the entire reference if any of
the brackets around the individual elements were skipped.  I've run into
this repeatedly.

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Dettman [mailto:jimdettman at earthlink.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 12:21 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Query difference between Access 97 and 2002


Barb,

  Make sure you explicitly type (text, date, integer) the data expected
in the control (in query design, goto query/parameters).

Jim.

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Barbara Ryan
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 3:20 PM
To: Access List
Subject: [AccessD] Query difference between Access 97 and 2002


I have converted an Access 97 application to Access 2002 (XP).  A query
that works in 97 will no longer work in XP.  The  field in the query
causing the problem is referencing an unbound text box on an open form,
i.e., the field name in the query is
"PeriodEndDate:[Forms]![frmPerDiemEntry]![txtPeriodEndDate]".  When I
execute the query in 97, I see the contents of txtPeriodEndDate;
however, in XP, it is blank/null.

Any ideas?

Thanks,
Barb Ryan
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue Aug  9 15:34:34 2005
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 13:34:34 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Clear Debug Window Programmatically
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86873B99@infoserver01.infostat.local>

I realize that you asked for a programmatic method.  However, since the
debug window is only available in the VBE, I didn't see any purpose in a
programmatic method ... In XP and above, of course. <g>  You didn't
indicate the version or WHY you needed it, so it's your own fault if we
wandered off in another direction! LOL

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Stuart McLachlan [mailto:stuart at lexacorp.com.pg] 
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 1:12 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Clear Debug Window Programmatically


On 9 Aug 2005 at 11:59, Arthur Fuller wrote:

> All the ostensible gurus gather around Charlotte and genuflect -- me 
> most of all. I never thought of that either.
> 
.....
> 
> On further thought, what's wrong with right-clicking the immediate 
> window and selecting Clear?
> 
> Charlotte Foust
> 

Two things:

1. It's only works in XP and above.
2. It is not programmatic, which was what was asked for. 



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From BarbaraRyan at cox.net  Tue Aug  9 15:39:30 2005
From: BarbaraRyan at cox.net (Barbara Ryan)
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 16:39:30 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Query difference between Access 97 and 2002
References: <NDEALJOEGMMPCDKIFGNFKELHEIAA.jimdettman@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <007701c59d22$71aded80$0a00a8c0@cx470148a>

Thanks, Jim.... That was part of my problem.  The query is still not working
in Access 2002 --- it's an append query to a table in another database.  I
need to investigate some more!  .....Thanks, Barb



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From: "Jim Dettman" <jimdettman at earthlink.net>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 3:21 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Query difference between Access 97 and 2002


> Barb,
>
>   Make sure you explicitly type (text, date, integer) the data expected in
> the control (in query design, goto query/parameters).
>
> Jim.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Barbara Ryan
> Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 3:20 PM
> To: Access List
> Subject: [AccessD] Query difference between Access 97 and 2002
>
>
> I have converted an Access 97 application to Access 2002 (XP).  A query
that
> works in 97 will no longer work in XP.  The  field in the query causing
the
> problem is referencing an unbound text box on an open form, i.e., the
field
> name in the query is
> "PeriodEndDate:[Forms]![frmPerDiemEntry]![txtPeriodEndDate]".  When I
> execute the query in 97, I see the contents of txtPeriodEndDate; however,
in
> XP, it is blank/null.
>
> Any ideas?
>
> Thanks,
> Barb Ryan
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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Tue Aug  9 16:10:57 2005
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 14:10:57 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Conversion to adp
References: <20050809190444.ZWLD25678.ibm61aec.bellsouth.net@SUSANONE>
Message-ID: <42F91BE1.7070308@shaw.ca>

These guys will give you a quote roughly 5 days under $10,000.
for mdb to adp conversion. I'll bet they use data modeling reverse 
engineering tools.

http://www.upsizewizard.com/

They also give a long list of considerations to look at  re conversion 
mdb to adp
and links to MS upsizing wizard white paper.

http://www.upsizewizard.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=browse&id=5036&pageid=22

You may want to consider keeping the mdb format and hooking to sql 
server via ado or dao.
rather than doing an adp conversion. But a lot of the above 
considerations apply.


One reason being SQL Express the new version of MSDE or SQL Server 2005
wont hook to ADP's unless they are installed in crippled SQL 2000 
compatibilty mode.

"You will not be able to use any of the designers with SQLS 2005
 databases, whether it's SQL Express or the Developer edition. IOW, you
 won't be able to create databases, tables, views or any other database
 objects from an ADP. The only support that is envisioned is that you
 will be able to connect an Access front-end to a SQLS 2005 back end if
 it is running in SQLS 2000 compatibility mode, so your forms, reports
 and other local Access objects should still run.

FAQ: How to connect to SQL Express from "downlevel clients"(Access 2003, 
VS 2003, VB 6, etc
http://blogs.msdn.com/sqlexpress/archive/2004/07/23/192044.aspx



Susan Harkins wrote:

>I'm wondering what you guys would charge to convert an mdb file to an adp?
>No code upgrade, just the objects? How would you determine what to charge --
>I'm sure you'd have to see the mdb first -- but what would you be looking
>for? 
> 
>Susan H. 
>  
>

-- 
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Victoria, B.C.
Canada





From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com  Tue Aug  9 16:13:50 2005
From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester)
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 16:13:50 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Query asks for input - why?
Message-ID: <F1DD538AE6BCE74EBE562DE51564D322F33976@houexch1.kindermorgan.com>

This query is asking for input of [qry Pattern WAG
Scheme]![Cum_Toti_hcpv] yet this query when I run it by itself does not.
Maybe a query syntax error but I don't see it.

 

SELECT [tbl Actual Injectivities Daily].Pattern, [tbl Actual
Injectivities Daily].Date, [tbl Actual Injectivities Daily].[TotI
(%HCPV/Yr)], 

(Select Fluid from [tbl Wag] where [qry Pattern WAG
Scheme]![Cum_Toti_hcpv] =

(Select  Max (Cum_Toti_hcpv) from [qry Pattern WAG Scheme] where [qry
Pattern WAG Scheme]![Cum_Toti_hcpv] <= [tbl Actual Injectivities
Daily]![TotI (%HCPV/Yr)] )) AS FluidType

FROM [tbl Actual Injectivities Daily];

 

 

Chester Kaup

Engineering Technician

Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP

Office (432) 688-3797

FAX (432) 688-3799

 

 

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From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com  Tue Aug  9 16:23:51 2005
From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester)
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 16:23:51 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Query asks for input - why?
Message-ID: <F1DD538AE6BCE74EBE562DE51564D322F33978@houexch1.kindermorgan.com>

I found the problem. A wrong table name. Thanks to anyone who looked.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 4:14 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Query asks for input - why?

This query is asking for input of [qry Pattern WAG
Scheme]![Cum_Toti_hcpv] yet this query when I run it by itself does not.
Maybe a query syntax error but I don't see it.

 

SELECT [tbl Actual Injectivities Daily].Pattern, [tbl Actual
Injectivities Daily].Date, [tbl Actual Injectivities Daily].[TotI
(%HCPV/Yr)], 

(Select Fluid from [tbl Wag] where [qry Pattern WAG
Scheme]![Cum_Toti_hcpv] =

(Select  Max (Cum_Toti_hcpv) from [qry Pattern WAG Scheme] where [qry
Pattern WAG Scheme]![Cum_Toti_hcpv] <= [tbl Actual Injectivities
Daily]![TotI (%HCPV/Yr)] )) AS FluidType

FROM [tbl Actual Injectivities Daily];

 

 

Chester Kaup

Engineering Technician

Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP

Office (432) 688-3797

FAX (432) 688-3799

 

 

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From artful at rogers.com  Tue Aug  9 19:23:24 2005
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 20:23:24 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Conversion to adp
In-Reply-To: <20050809190444.ZWLD25678.ibm61aec.bellsouth.net@SUSANONE>
Message-ID: <200508100023.j7A0NPR13719@databaseadvisors.com>

LOTS.


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: August 9, 2005 3:05 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Conversion to adp

I'm wondering what you guys would charge to convert an mdb file to an adp?
No code upgrade, just the objects? How would you determine what to charge --
I'm sure you'd have to see the mdb first -- but what would you be looking
for? 
 
Susan H. 
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From D.Dick at uws.edu.au  Tue Aug  9 20:52:41 2005
From: D.Dick at uws.edu.au (Darren Dick)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 11:52:41 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] RE: Discard changes in a query
Message-ID: <2FDE83AF1A69C84796CBD13788DDA883703099@BONHAM.AD.UWS.EDU.AU>

Hi Roz
In addition to Andy's statement.
I have been burned in the past by the Docmd.Setwarning false statement
too.
(Actually it's my bad coding :-)) I've been burned by not the actual
statement <vbg>)

Especially if your code fails (goes to the error handler) after running
that line But before running the line that turns it back on

I am in the habit of putting
Docmd.setwarnings true at the Head of every error handler that has the
Docmd.setwarning false statement somewhere in its preceding module Just
in case I get a redirect to the Error Handler before I can 'turn it back
on'

Hope this helps

See ya

Darren

PS Andy - I Can't wait for Thursday - Brett Lee or Not - McGrath or not
Bring it on

See ya

DD



 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Roz Clarke
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 7:21 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Discard changes in a query

Cheers Andy

Remind me never to take over someone else's work, I keep falling over
these weird little issues :/

-----Original Message-----
From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk]
Sent: 09 August 2005 10:16
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Discard changes in a query


Hi Roz
It sounds like DoCmd.SetWarnings has been left False. Just execute a
DoCmd.SetWarnings True in the Immediate window and see if that cures it.
If it does, and the problem cmes back, then some code somewhere is
setting it False and not back to True again.

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To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
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Subject: [AccessD] Discard changes in a query
Date: 09/08/05 08:36

Another stupid question from me...

I have just taken over working on a databae app, nothing scary, just a
training records database. In this database, unlike any other I am
currently using, I do not get the option to discard an unsaved query. I
have to save it with a name and then delete it. How can I set it so it
just throws it away, like my other databases do?

TIA

Roz







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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed Aug 10 11:21:31 2005
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 09:21:31 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Where is everyone?
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86873B9F@infoserver01.infostat.local>

I haven't seen a message since yesterday afternoon.

Charlotte Foust
Infostat Systems, Inc.


From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Wed Aug 10 11:30:51 2005
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 17:30:51 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Where is everyone?
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Well you have now :-)

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> 
> 
> I haven't seen a message since yesterday afternoon.
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From tom.bolton at donnslaw.co.uk  Wed Aug 10 11:33:58 2005
From: tom.bolton at donnslaw.co.uk (Tom Bolton)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 17:33:58 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Where is everyone?
Message-ID: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C831880802A2BE@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>

Me neither, I'm sat in an empty office with an empty AccessD folder

Marie Celeste springs to mind  :-)


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I haven't seen a message since yesterday afternoon.

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Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 12:35:57 -0400
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From papparuff at comcast.net  Wed Aug 10 11:48:42 2005
From: papparuff at comcast.net (John Ruff)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 09:48:42 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Where is everyone?
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Message-ID: <200508101648.j7AGmnR24450@databaseadvisors.com>

We're waiting for you to provide us with some new insights and tells us
something new and exciting. 


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                and your plans will succeed." Proverbs 16:3 


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I haven't seen a message since yesterday afternoon.

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From djkr at msn.com  Wed Aug 10 11:53:20 2005
From: djkr at msn.com (DJK(John) Robinson)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 17:53:20 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Where is everyone?
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Up ladders cutting hedges while printer-repairman does his stuff (more than
three hours)!

All in a short gap between returning from Italy and getting back to contract
work tomorrow morning (groan) - an Access nightmare / disaster area like
you've never seen before, trust me!  Hence not enough time to read AccessD
often enough to respond usefully, at least until November.  Hey ho.

John


> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Charlotte Foust
> Sent: 10 August 2005 17:22
> To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Where is everyone?
> 
> 
> I haven't seen a message since yesterday afternoon.
> 
> Charlotte Foust
> Infostat Systems, Inc.
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed Aug 10 12:04:09 2005
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 10:04:09 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Where is everyone?
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86873BA0@infoserver01.infostat.local>

ROTFL 
It's because of clearing the immediate window from yesterday, right?

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 9:36 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Where is everyone?


No one wants to talk to you.  ;-)

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 12:22 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Where is everyone?


I haven't seen a message since yesterday afternoon.

Charlotte Foust
Infostat Systems, Inc.
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From john at winhaven.net  Wed Aug 10 12:06:34 2005
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 12:06:34 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Where is everyone?
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Message-ID: <200508101706.j7AH6aTg192542@pimout1-ext.prodigy.net>

Had this come through while I was away:

The Access Unlimited Newsletter - Edition 58

GOOD READING 

Tony Jacoby from Solutions On Hand in Sydney says 

"Have you ever come across Be-Up the Backend Updater from Database Advisors?
It's free and it's also "open source" and the developers are pretty helpful
with support and enhancements.  If you haven't already seen it, go to" 

http://www.databaseadvisors.com/downloads.htm.

Hey, we get press coverage!
:o)

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 11:22 AM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Where is everyone?

I haven't seen a message since yesterday afternoon.

Charlotte Foust
Infostat Systems, Inc.
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From Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com  Wed Aug 10 13:23:55 2005
From: Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com (Hale, Jim)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 13:23:55 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Where is everyone?
Message-ID: <6A6AA9DF57E4F046BDA1E273BDDB677233776F@corp-es01.fleetpride.com>

Nah, we're still genuflecting in reverent silence. You forgot to say "rise"
:-)
Jim Hale

-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 12:04 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Where is everyone?


ROTFL 
It's because of clearing the immediate window from yesterday, right?

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 9:36 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Where is everyone?


No one wants to talk to you.  ;-)

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 12:22 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Where is everyone?


I haven't seen a message since yesterday afternoon.

Charlotte Foust
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From lembit.soobik at t-online.de  Wed Aug 10 13:59:27 2005
From: lembit.soobik at t-online.de (Lembit Soobik)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 20:59:27 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Where is everyone?
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WOW!
we need to ask for some donations from them :)
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<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
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Subject: RE: [AccessD] Where is everyone?


> Had this come through while I was away:
>
> The Access Unlimited Newsletter - Edition 58
>
> GOOD READING
>
> Tony Jacoby from Solutions On Hand in Sydney says
>
> "Have you ever come across Be-Up the Backend Updater from Database 
> Advisors?
> It's free and it's also "open source" and the developers are pretty 
> helpful
> with support and enhancements.  If you haven't already seen it, go to"
>
> http://www.databaseadvisors.com/downloads.htm.
>
> Hey, we get press coverage!
> :o)
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>
> I haven't seen a message since yesterday afternoon.
>
> Charlotte Foust
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From mmattys at rochester.rr.com  Wed Aug 10 14:21:40 2005
From: mmattys at rochester.rr.com (Michael R Mattys)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 15:21:40 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Where is everyone?
References: <200508101706.j7AH6aTg192542@pimout1-ext.prodigy.net>
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I was going through my old email and found a couple
on my trip down Memory Lane:


From: David Scott [mailto:davidscott at mtgroup.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2000 11:56 AM
To: Christopher Hawkins
Subject: RE: Help! My posts are getting bounced!

I only pop in on the list maybe once every month or two to see what's going
on. Today I signed on and received a mailbox full of some of the most
ridiculous posts I've ever seen. People lobbing insults at each other,
flames, etc.

I have a very limited amount of bandwidth, and accessd takes most of it.
I'll be darned if I'm going to take bandwidth away from my customers who
need it to support this kind of list traffic.

As of today, accessd is dead. I may bring it back up later, depending on the
response I get. When (if) I do, the people who were active members this
morning will be back on then.

I don't want to come across to you too harsh - personally you may have not
contributed to this incident at all, but I'm pretty miffed at the whole
thing.

Dave

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From greggs at msn.com  Wed Aug 10 14:32:30 2005
From: greggs at msn.com (Gregg)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 14:32:30 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Memo field parsing
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8689A72A@infoserver01.infostat.local>
	<BAY103-DAV9BF45769C396DC8C04B05C6C50@phx.gbl>
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Worked like a charm A.D.  thanks again!
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: A.D.Tejpal<mailto:adtp at touchtelindia.net> 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving<mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com> 
  Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 2:57 PM
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Memo field parsing


  Gregg,

      For sake of demonstration, let the source table named T_Memo consist of two fields, named ID (primary key - Autonumber) and Mem (memo type). 

      Create another table, named T_MemRef, with just one field named Ref (number type). Populate this table with just two records, with values 1 and 2 respectively. Query Q_Memo as given below, should be used as record source for your report. It involves Cartesian join between tables T_Memo and T_MemRef. 

      In detail section of your report, drag Mem and Ref from the field list, so as to create bound controls named Mem and Ref. Make these controls hidden, set their CanGrow property to "No" and position the same un-obtrusively. Insert an unbound text box named TxtMemo. This is the text box that would actually display the contents of memo field. Set the width and fonts as desired. Set the CanGrow property of this control as well as the detail section as a whole, to "Yes".

      In VBA window, put the code given below, in Detail_Format event of the report. Make sure that the item "On Format" in Event tab of properties dialog box shows [Event Procedure] against it.

      Now, when you run the report, first three lines of the memo field will get displayed on first page and the balance portion on the next page. Similar pattern would get repeated for all records.
      
  Best wishes,
  A.D.Tejpal
  --------------

  Source Query for the report (Q_Memo)
  =====================================
  SELECT T_Memo.ID, T_MemRef.Ref, T_Memo.Mem
  FROM T_Memo, T_MemRef
  ORDER BY T_Memo.ID, T_MemRef.Ref;
  =====================================

  Code in Report's Module
  =====================================
  Private Sub Detail_Format(Cancel As Integer, _
                                          FormatCount As Integer)
      Dim Wd As Long, Rw As Single, Mgn As Long
      Dim LenMem As Long, Txt As String, Lft As Long
      Dim LastSpace As Long, MaxRowsFirstPart
      Dim Mpf As Single
      
      MaxRowsFirstPart = 3
      LenMem = Len(Mem)
      If LenMem > 0 Then
      Else
          Exit Sub
      End If
      
      With Me
          ' Set the scale mode to twips
          .ScaleMode = 1
          ' Set Font values for report to match those of memo field.
          .FontName = TxtMemo.FontName
          .FontSize = TxtMemo.FontSize
          If TxtMemo.FontBold <> 0 Then
              .FontBold = True
          Else
              .FontBold = False
          End If
      End With
      
      ' Allow for necessary margin within a text box
      ' (Between its border and the content)
      Mgn = 170     ' This value may need fine tuning for
                              ' best results
      ' Get effective width of control meant for
      ' displaying memo field
      Wd = TxtMemo.Width - Mgn
      ' Get the number of characters so as to make-up the
      ' required number of rows for first part of memo field.
      For Lft = 1 To LenMem
          Txt = Left(Mem, Lft)
          LastSpace = IIf(Right(Txt, 1) = " ", Lft, LastSpace)
          Rw = TextWidth(Txt) / Wd
          If Rw > MaxRowsFirstPart Then
              Lft = Lft - 1
              Exit For
          End If
      Next
      Debug.Print Lft; ", "; LastSpace
      
      ' Get Multiplying factor for acceptable max location
      ' of last space.
      Mpf = (0.8 + (MaxRowsFirstPart - 1)) / MaxRowsFirstPart
      
      ' Shorten the first part to nearest space
      ' (if within 20 % of the end of line)
      If LastSpace > Mpf * Lft And LastSpace < Lft Then
          Lft = LastSpace
      End If
      
      ' Populate the unbound text box with appropriate
      ' part of memo field.
      If Ref = 1 Then
          TxtMemo = Left(Mem, Lft)
          ' Force New Page - Afer section, only if memo
          ' field contents not yet finished
          If LenMem > Lft Then
              Detail.ForceNewPage = 2
          Else
              Detail.ForceNewPage = 0   ' No break
          End If
      Else
          TxtMemo = Mid(Mem, Lft + 1)
          ' Force New Page - Afer section
          Detail.ForceNewPage = 2
      End If
  End Sub
  =====================================

    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Gregg 
    To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
    Cc: Robert Penn 
    Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 04:19
    Subject: Re: [AccessD] Memo field parsing


    Thanks Charlotte!  I give it a try.

      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: Charlotte Foust<mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com<mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com>> 
      To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving<mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com<mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com>> 
      Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 5:33 PM
      Subject: RE: [AccessD] Memo field parsing

      No, get the textwidth of the control and see if the textwidth of the text is greater than that.  Handle the situation where it is not and everything fits in the first control.  Otherwise get the text that fits within the control textwidth and use instrRev to find the last space in that substring.  Break it there.  

    At that point, you also know the index of the starting point for the rest of the string, so all you need to do for the next page is use the Mid(text, index) to put the rest of it into the second page.

    Charlotte Foust

      -----Original Message-----
      From: Gregg [mailto:greggs at msn.com] 
      Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 11:34 AM
      To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
      Subject: Re: [AccessD] Memo field parsing


      So, you're saying I need to loop through all the characters until I find
      the last whole word that will fit on the first line, the same for the
      second etc. until I determine what text will fit in the first page text
      field and use what's left for the 2nd page?
        ----- Original Message ----- 
        From: Charlotte Foust<mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com<mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com<mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com<mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com>>> 
        To: Access Developers discussion and problem
      solving<mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com<mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com<mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com<mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com>>> 
        Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 11:02 AM
        Subject: RE: [AccessD] Memo field parsing


        You can't do it by simply counting characters anyhow.  You have to use
        the TextWidth property, which can be expressed as
        reportname.TextWidth(stringvariable) and compare that to the textwidth
        of the control ( reportname.TextWidth(controlobject) or to the maximum
        length you want to display.  You'll also want to allow a padding
      factor
        to avoid overrunning the  borders of the control and be sure and check
        for carriage returns because they confuse the issue.

        If you want to display 3 "lines", you'll have to break the memo field
        into the first three chunks that will fit into the textwidth of the
        textbox you're using to display the text on that page.

        Charlotte Foust


        -----Original Message-----
        From: Gregg [mailto:greggs at msn.com] 
        Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 8:43 AM
        To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
        Subject: Re: [AccessD] Memo field parsing


        Charlotte

        Physical space I think because I don't know how to get from one to the
        other.  The number of characters is going to be dependant on the how
        many characters are lost to word wrapping isn't it?  Is there a way to
        calculate the number of characters that will appear in the first three
        lines?  If I knew that, I could do it.
          ----- Original Message ----- 
          From: Charlotte
      Foust<mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com<mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.co<mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com<mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.co<mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com<mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.co<mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com<mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.co>>
      m>> 
          To: Access Developers discussion and problem
       
      solving<mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com<mailto:accessd at databaseadvis<mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com<mailto:accessd at databaseadvis<mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com<mailto:accessd at databaseadvis<mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com<mailto:accessd at databaseadvis>>
      ors.com>> 
          Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 10:28 AM
          Subject: RE: [AccessD] Memo field parsing


          Define "first three lines".   Is that a particular number of
        characters
          or a physical space?

          Charlotte Foust


          -----Original Message-----
          From: Gregg [mailto:greggs at msn.com] 
          Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 7:32 AM
          To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
          Subject: [AccessD] Memo field parsing

          I would like to parse a memo field in a A97 report such that the first three lines is on the first page and whatever is left is on the next.
          Any ideas?

          Gregg Steinbrenner
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Aug 10 14:31:53 2005
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 15:31:53 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Where is everyone?
In-Reply-To: <017701c59de0$bdde8840$0302a8c0@default>
Message-ID: <00c101c59de2$296bd670$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

Ahhhh... The beginning of DatabaseAdvisors.  I remember it well.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Michael R Mattys
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 3:22 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Where is everyone?


I was going through my old email and found a couple
on my trip down Memory Lane:


From: David Scott [mailto:davidscott at mtgroup.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2000 11:56 AM
To: Christopher Hawkins
Subject: RE: Help! My posts are getting bounced!

I only pop in on the list maybe once every month or two to see what's going
on. Today I signed on and received a mailbox full of some of the most
ridiculous posts I've ever seen. People lobbing insults at each other,
flames, etc.

I have a very limited amount of bandwidth, and accessd takes most of it.
I'll be darned if I'm going to take bandwidth away from my customers who
need it to support this kind of list traffic.

As of today, accessd is dead. I may bring it back up later, depending on the
response I get. When (if) I do, the people who were active members this
morning will be back on then.

I don't want to come across to you too harsh - personally you may have not
contributed to this incident at all, but I'm pretty miffed at the whole
thing.

Dave




From mikedorism at verizon.net  Wed Aug 10 14:37:41 2005
From: mikedorism at verizon.net (Mike & Doris Manning)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 15:37:41 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Where is everyone?
In-Reply-To: <00c101c59de2$296bd670$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <001801c59de2$f9d89e60$2e01a8c0@dorismanning>

Has it really been that long?  Seems like only yesterday to me....

Doris Manning
Database Administrator
Hargrove Inc.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 3:32 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Where is everyone?

Ahhhh... The beginning of DatabaseAdvisors.  I remember it well.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Michael R Mattys
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 3:22 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Where is everyone?


I was going through my old email and found a couple
on my trip down Memory Lane:


From: David Scott [mailto:davidscott at mtgroup.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2000 11:56 AM
To: Christopher Hawkins
Subject: RE: Help! My posts are getting bounced!

I only pop in on the list maybe once every month or two to see what's going
on. Today I signed on and received a mailbox full of some of the most
ridiculous posts I've ever seen. People lobbing insults at each other,
flames, etc.

I have a very limited amount of bandwidth, and accessd takes most of it.
I'll be darned if I'm going to take bandwidth away from my customers who
need it to support this kind of list traffic.

As of today, accessd is dead. I may bring it back up later, depending on the
response I get. When (if) I do, the people who were active members this
morning will be back on then.

I don't want to come across to you too harsh - personally you may have not
contributed to this incident at all, but I'm pretty miffed at the whole
thing.

Dave


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From JRojas at tnco-inc.com  Wed Aug 10 14:55:58 2005
From: JRojas at tnco-inc.com (Joe Rojas)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 15:55:58 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2000 Charts
Message-ID: <0CC84C9461AE6445AD5A602001C41C4B05A42E@mercury.tnco-inc.com>

Hi all,

I have two problems that are driving me crazy with the charting control that
Access 2000 uses.

1) When I had a chart using the wizard, the datasheet for the chart is using
the East, West, North data that is there by default despite the fact that my
Row Source is correct. Is there a way to have the control update to reflect
"real" data?

2) I resized my chart so that it fills up most of the area on my report and
then changed the size mode to zoom. When I do this the text is monstrous
despite the fact that the font size is set to 8. Is there a way to have the
chart use the font size that is specified?

Thanks!
JR




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From greggs at msn.com  Wed Aug 10 15:29:35 2005
From: greggs at msn.com (Gregg)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 15:29:35 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Where is everyone?
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86873B9F@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <BAY103-DAV4721866C6F14CEFE1D729C6BA0@phx.gbl>

Since everyone is so lonely... I have a general question about setting up printers/networks/Access.  The client wants to print copies of Vendor Purchase Orders to multiple locations.  I have total latitude with the customer on printer setup, network setup and Access. Thus far, I have been creating a report for each printer, each having the same subreport.  I know there is code out there to help me a little with that.  The part I really hate is setting up every user with every printer and the ongoing maintenance associated with it. 

I need a magic button that prints a report to the network printers I have specified in a table and doesn't care if the printer is configured on that workstation or not.  Any ideas?????  

Gregg Steinbrenner   
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  Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 11:21 AM
  Subject: [AccessD] Where is everyone?


  I haven't seen a message since yesterday afternoon.

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From greggs at msn.com  Wed Aug 10 15:32:03 2005
From: greggs at msn.com (Gregg)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 15:32:03 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Printing multiple copies to multiple printers.
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86873B9F@infoserver01.infostat.local>
	<BAY103-DAV4721866C6F14CEFE1D729C6BA0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BAY103-DAV1500C6F8CF1ECD8E198491C6BA0@phx.gbl>

Sorry... should have changed the subject line.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Gregg<mailto:greggs at msn.com> 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving<mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com> 
  Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 3:29 PM
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Where is everyone?


  Since everyone is so lonely... I have a general question about setting up printers/networks/Access.  The client wants to print copies of Vendor Purchase Orders to multiple locations.  I have total latitude with the customer on printer setup, network setup and Access. Thus far, I have been creating a report for each printer, each having the same subreport.  I know there is code out there to help me a little with that.  The part I really hate is setting up every user with every printer and the ongoing maintenance associated with it. 

  I need a magic button that prints a report to the network printers I have specified in a table and doesn't care if the printer is configured on that workstation or not.  Any ideas?????  

  Gregg Steinbrenner   
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Charlotte Foust<mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com<mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com>> 
    To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com<mailto:AccessD at databaseadvisors.com<mailto:AccessD at databaseadvisors.com<mailto:AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>> 
    Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 11:21 AM
    Subject: [AccessD] Where is everyone?


    I haven't seen a message since yesterday afternoon.

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From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com  Wed Aug 10 15:56:31 2005
From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 15:56:31 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OK here is some VBA for someone to ponder
Message-ID: <F1DD538AE6BCE74EBE562DE51564D322F33AD1@houexch1.kindermorgan.com>

I have the following at the start of a module:

Dim MyQDef5 as QueryDef

DIM myds7 as Recordset

Set MyQDef5 = MyDb.QueryDefs("qry Fluid Type One Pattern")

 

Later in the code I have the following:

 

Set myds7 = MyQDef5.OpenRecordset()

FluidType = myds7.Fields(3)

 

The SQL of the query "qry Fluid Type One Pattern" is as follows

 

SELECT Pattern, Date, CumTotalInj, 

(Select Fluid from [qry Pattern WAG Scheme] where [qry Pattern WAG
Scheme]![Cum_Toti_hcpv] =(Select  Max (Cum_Toti_hcpv) from [qry Pattern
WAG Scheme] where [qry Pattern WAG Scheme]![Cum_Toti_hcpv] <= [tbl Cum
Total Injection One Pattern]![CumTotalInj] )) AS FluidType

FROM [tbl Cum Total Injection One Pattern];

 

The table "tbl Cum Total Injection One Pattern" has 617 records in it
but the query only returns one record. I would expect to see 617
records.

 

 

Chester Kaup

Engineering Technician

Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP

Office (432) 688-3797

FAX (432) 688-3799

 

 

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number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced.

 



From greggs at msn.com  Wed Aug 10 16:20:53 2005
From: greggs at msn.com (Gregg)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 16:20:53 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Printing multiple copies to multiple printers.
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86873B9F@infoserver01.infostat.local><BAY103-DAV4721866C6F14CEFE1D729C6BA0@phx.gbl>
	<BAY103-DAV1500C6F8CF1ECD8E198491C6BA0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BAY103-DAV14EAC9C284DD9C90D9472AC6BA0@phx.gbl>

Sorry again... I realize now I don't have to setup the printers.  Just chalk this post up to Friday humor.  
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Gregg<mailto:greggs at msn.com> 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving<mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com> 
  Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 3:32 PM
  Subject: [AccessD] Printing multiple copies to multiple printers.


  Sorry... should have changed the subject line.
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Gregg<mailto:greggs at msn.com<mailto:greggs at msn.com>> 
    To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving<mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com<mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com>> 
    Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 3:29 PM
    Subject: Re: [AccessD] Where is everyone?


    Since everyone is so lonely... I have a general question about setting up printers/networks/Access.  The client wants to print copies of Vendor Purchase Orders to multiple locations.  I have total latitude with the customer on printer setup, network setup and Access. Thus far, I have been creating a report for each printer, each having the same subreport.  I know there is code out there to help me a little with that.  The part I really hate is setting up every user with every printer and the ongoing maintenance associated with it. 

    I need a magic button that prints a report to the network printers I have specified in a table and doesn't care if the printer is configured on that workstation or not.  Any ideas?????  

    Gregg Steinbrenner   
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: Charlotte Foust<mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com<mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com<mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com<mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com>>> 
      To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com<mailto:AccessD at databaseadvisors.com<mailto:AccessD at databaseadvisors.com<mailto:AccessD at databaseadvisors.com<mailto:AccessD at databaseadvisors.com<mailto:AccessD at databaseadvisors.com<mailto:AccessD at databaseadvisors.com<mailto:AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>>> 
      Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 11:21 AM
      Subject: [AccessD] Where is everyone?


      I haven't seen a message since yesterday afternoon.

      Charlotte Foust
      Infostat Systems, Inc.
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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Wed Aug 10 19:20:33 2005
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 17:20:33 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2000 Charts
In-Reply-To: <19434215.1123704006325.JavaMail.root@sniper18>
Message-ID: <000001c59e0a$7e443cf0$0518820a@danwaters>

Joe - do you have the reference to Graph 9.0 set?

Dan Waters

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Joe Rojas
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 12:56 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2000 Charts

Hi all,

I have two problems that are driving me crazy with the charting control that
Access 2000 uses.

1) When I had a chart using the wizard, the datasheet for the chart is using
the East, West, North data that is there by default despite the fact that my
Row Source is correct. Is there a way to have the control update to reflect
"real" data?

2) I resized my chart so that it fills up most of the area on my report and
then changed the size mode to zoom. When I do this the text is monstrous
despite the fact that the font size is set to 8. Is there a way to have the
chart use the font size that is specified?

Thanks!
JR




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From lmrazek at lcm-res.com  Wed Aug 10 21:17:05 2005
From: lmrazek at lcm-res.com (Lawrence Mrazek)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 21:17:05 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2000 Charts
In-Reply-To: <0CC84C9461AE6445AD5A602001C41C4B05A42E@mercury.tnco-inc.com>
Message-ID: <20050810221786.SM00672@hplaptop>

Hi Joe:

Question 2:
Check the properties of the text boxes (menus, headings, etc.). Click on a
heading and bring up the properties (EX: format axis title). Click on the
"fonts" tab and make sure that "auto scale" is not checked. The Auto Scale
property "helps" you out by resizing everything you edited ... <G>.

Hope this helps. 


Larry Mrazek
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fx. 314-432-3304

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Joe Rojas
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 2:56 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2000 Charts

Hi all,

I have two problems that are driving me crazy with the charting control that
Access 2000 uses.

1) When I had a chart using the wizard, the datasheet for the chart is using
the East, West, North data that is there by default despite the fact that my
Row Source is correct. Is there a way to have the control update to reflect
"real" data?

2) I resized my chart so that it fills up most of the area on my report and
then changed the size mode to zoom. When I do this the text is monstrous
despite the fact that the font size is set to 8. Is there a way to have the
chart use the font size that is specified?

Thanks!
JR




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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Aug 11 07:30:07 2005
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 08:30:07 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Outlook calendar
Message-ID: <000001c59e70$6bbc3770$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

When I click on the calendar in outlook, I am shown the day (or the week) in
yellow with the hours etc.  To the right of that I am shown NOTES.  I want
to see the monthly calendar there.  I know this is possible because in the
archive calendar, that is the view.  

How do I display the monthly calendars instead of notes?  

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From JRojas at tnco-inc.com  Thu Aug 11 07:48:15 2005
From: JRojas at tnco-inc.com (Joe Rojas)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 08:48:15 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Outlook calendar
Message-ID: <0CC84C9461AE6445AD5A602001C41C4B05A42F@mercury.tnco-inc.com>

On the same row of icons that starts with New, there should be an icon that
says Month. Click that and it should give you what you want.

JR
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Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 8:30 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Outlook calendar

When I click on the calendar in outlook, I am shown the day (or the week) in
yellow with the hours etc.  To the right of that I am shown NOTES.  I want
to see the monthly calendar there.  I know this is possible because in the
archive calendar, that is the view. 

How do I display the monthly calendars instead of notes? 

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From garykjos at gmail.com  Thu Aug 11 07:51:17 2005
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 07:51:17 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Outlook calendar
In-Reply-To: <000001c59e70$6bbc3770$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>
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Hi John

Try dragging the border of the notes box down so there is room for the
month calendar box. The month calendar may be underneath. It is on
mine only it's the Taskpad that I have over there on the right with
the calendar above it.

Gary

On 8/11/05, John W. Colby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
> When I click on the calendar in outlook, I am shown the day (or the week) in
> yellow with the hours etc.  To the right of that I am shown NOTES.  I want
> to see the monthly calendar there.  I know this is possible because in the
> archive calendar, that is the view.
> 
> How do I display the monthly calendars instead of notes?
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> 
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From adtp at touchtelindia.net  Thu Aug 11 07:47:08 2005
From: adtp at touchtelindia.net (A.D.Tejpal)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 18:17:08 +0530
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2000 Charts
References: <0CC84C9461AE6445AD5A602001C41C4B05A42E@mercury.tnco-inc.com>
Message-ID: <004b01c59e73$01192560$921865cb@winxp>

Joe,

    The problem faced by you indicates that the desired values of RowSource have not yet sunk in. What you are seeing, are the default values. As a remedial action, direct editing of source datasheet for the chart object has to be undertaken.

    My sample database named ChartsDemo might be of interest to you. It is available at Rogers Access Library (other developers library). Link - http://www.rogersaccesslibrary.com 

    This db demonstrates handling of charts on forms as well as reports. Items 1 & 6 of the tips provided therein should be of special relevance to your case.

Best wishes,
A.D.Tejpal
--------------

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Joe Rojas 
  To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' 
  Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 01:25
  Subject: [AccessD] Access 2000 Charts


  Hi all,

  I have two problems that are driving me crazy with the charting control that Access 2000 uses.

  1) When I had a chart using the wizard, the datasheet for the chart is using the East, West, North data that is there by default despite the fact that my Row Source is correct. Is there a way to have the control update to reflect "real" data?

  2) I resized my chart so that it fills up most of the area on my report and then changed the size mode to zoom. When I do this the text is monstrous despite the fact that the font size is set to 8. Is there a way to have the chart use the font size that is  specified?

  Thanks!
  JR


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Aug 11 08:01:15 2005
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 09:01:15 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Outlook calendar
In-Reply-To: <0CC84C9461AE6445AD5A602001C41C4B05A42F@mercury.tnco-inc.com>
Message-ID: <000301c59e74$c1a6b490$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

It turns out that I had to grab the notes and drag the top down.  It was a
dividable window and the bottom section (notes) had been dragged all the way
up to cover the top section (the calendar).  I would NEVER have discovered
that if I hadn't just happened to be watching the screen as I moved my mouse
around and noticed the cursor change to the "drag boundary" cursor.

John W. Colby
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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Joe Rojas
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 8:48 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Outlook calendar


On the same row of icons that starts with New, there should be an icon that
says Month. Click that and it should give you what you want.

JR
-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 8:30 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Outlook calendar

When I click on the calendar in outlook, I am shown the day (or the week) in
yellow with the hours etc.  To the right of that I am shown NOTES.  I want
to see the monthly calendar there.  I know this is possible because in the
archive calendar, that is the view. 

How do I display the monthly calendars instead of notes? 

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www.ColbyConsulting.com

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Aug 11 08:01:29 2005
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 09:01:29 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Outlook calendar
In-Reply-To: <aea6c49505081105513e9af8fb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000401c59e74$cd7cf2c0$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

Yep, that was it!!!

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Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 8:51 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Outlook calendar


Hi John

Try dragging the border of the notes box down so there is room for the month
calendar box. The month calendar may be underneath. It is on mine only it's
the Taskpad that I have over there on the right with the calendar above it.

Gary

On 8/11/05, John W. Colby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
> When I click on the calendar in outlook, I am shown the day (or the 
> week) in yellow with the hours etc.  To the right of that I am shown 
> NOTES.  I want to see the monthly calendar there.  I know this is 
> possible because in the archive calendar, that is the view.
> 
> How do I display the monthly calendars instead of notes?
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> 
> Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause: 
> http://folding.stanford.edu/
> 
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From JRojas at tnco-inc.com  Thu Aug 11 08:07:26 2005
From: JRojas at tnco-inc.com (Joe Rojas)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 09:07:26 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2000 Charts
Message-ID: <0CC84C9461AE6445AD5A602001C41C4B05A431@mercury.tnco-inc.com>

Thanks A.D.!
This solved my datasheet problem!

Thanks,
Joe Rojas
IT Manager
TNCO, Inc.
781-447-6661 x7506
jrojas at tnco-inc.com

-----Original Message-----
From: A.D.Tejpal [mailto:adtp at touchtelindia.net]
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 8:47 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 2000 Charts

Joe,

    The problem faced by you indicates that the desired values of RowSource
have not yet sunk in. What you are seeing, are the default values. As a
remedial action, direct editing of source datasheet for the chart object has
to be undertaken.

    My sample database named ChartsDemo might be of interest to you. It is
available at Rogers Access Library (other developers library). Link -
http://www.rogersaccesslibrary.com

    This db demonstrates handling of charts on forms as well as reports.
Items 1 & 6 of the tips provided therein should be of special relevance to
your case.

Best wishes,
A.D.Tejpal
--------------

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  From: Joe Rojas
  To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
  Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 01:25
  Subject: [AccessD] Access 2000 Charts


  Hi all,

  I have two problems that are driving me crazy with the charting control
that Access 2000 uses.

  1) When I had a chart using the wizard, the datasheet for the chart is
using the East, West, North data that is there by default despite the fact
that my Row Source is correct. Is there a way to have the control update to
reflect "real" data?

  2) I resized my chart so that it fills up most of the area on my report
and then changed the size mode to zoom. When I do this the text is monstrous
despite the fact that the font size is set to 8. Is there a way to have the
chart use the font size that is  specified?

  Thanks!
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From JRojas at tnco-inc.com  Thu Aug 11 08:08:55 2005
From: JRojas at tnco-inc.com (Joe Rojas)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 09:08:55 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2000 Charts
Message-ID: <0CC84C9461AE6445AD5A602001C41C4B05A432@mercury.tnco-inc.com>

Hi Larry,

Thanks for the response!
I tried what you said but it still scales and it is still huge.
Any other ideas?

Thanks,
Joe Rojas
IT Manager
TNCO, Inc.
781-447-6661 x7506
jrojas at tnco-inc.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Lawrence Mrazek [mailto:lmrazek at lcm-res.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 10:17 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access 2000 Charts

Hi Joe:

Question 2:
Check the properties of the text boxes (menus, headings, etc.). Click on a
heading and bring up the properties (EX: format axis title). Click on the
"fonts" tab and make sure that "auto scale" is not checked. The Auto Scale
property "helps" you out by resizing everything you edited ... <G>.

Hope this helps.


Larry Mrazek
LCM Research, Inc.
www.lcm-res.com
lmrazek at lcm-res.com
ph. 314-432-5886
fx. 314-432-3304

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Joe Rojas
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 2:56 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2000 Charts

Hi all,

I have two problems that are driving me crazy with the charting control that
Access 2000 uses.

1) When I had a chart using the wizard, the datasheet for the chart is using
the East, West, North data that is there by default despite the fact that my
Row Source is correct. Is there a way to have the control update to reflect
"real" data?

2) I resized my chart so that it fills up most of the area on my report and
then changed the size mode to zoom. When I do this the text is monstrous
despite the fact that the font size is set to 8. Is there a way to have the
chart use the font size that is specified?

Thanks!
JR




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From Developer at UltraDNT.com  Thu Aug 11 09:01:42 2005
From: Developer at UltraDNT.com (Steve Conklin (Developer@UltraDNT))
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 10:01:42 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Print Reports to Specific Printers WAS Where is
	everyone?
In-Reply-To: <BAY103-DAV4721866C6F14CEFE1D729C6BA0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <00a101c59e7d$36ce0860$640fa8c0@CONKEY2000>

Didn't see if this got answered - are you using Access 2002 or higher?
Much easier if the answer is yes.  Each report has a printer property
that is changeable at run-time:

	DoCmd.OpenReport strName, acViewPreview, , "invoiceid=" &
lngInvID
	Set rpt = Reports(strName)
	rpt.Printer = Application.Printers(DLOOKUP
("INVOICEPRINTER","usysUSERSETTINGS","UserID='" & GetUserID & "'"))

I did an article at http://my.advisor.com/doc/14608 if you are a
subscriber.  (I can send it off-line - if I can find it)

If you are using 2000 or lower, you need PrtDevMode API code
(http://support.microsoft.com/?id=129397)

Either way, though, the driver has to get to the workstation, even if
printing to a network printer via its share name.  These 2 methods can
only give you a list of printers that properly show up in Ctl
Panel/Printers.

Hth
Steve



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Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 4:30 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Where is everyone?


Since everyone is so lonely... I have a general question about setting
up printers/networks/Access.  The client wants to print copies of Vendor
Purchase Orders to multiple locations.  I have total latitude with the
customer on printer setup, network setup and Access. Thus far, I have
been creating a report for each printer, each having the same subreport.
I know there is code out there to help me a little with that.  The part
I really hate is setting up every user with every printer and the
ongoing maintenance associated with it. 

I need a magic button that prints a report to the network printers I
have specified in a table and doesn't care if the printer is configured
on that workstation or not.  Any ideas?????  

Gregg Steinbrenner   
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  I haven't seen a message since yesterday afternoon.

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From JRojas at tnco-inc.com  Thu Aug 11 09:14:22 2005
From: JRojas at tnco-inc.com (Joe Rojas)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 10:14:22 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2000 Charts
Message-ID: <0CC84C9461AE6445AD5A602001C41C4B05A434@mercury.tnco-inc.com>

Out of frustration, I started to drag the edges of the chart outward. As I
did this, the text magically updated to the correct size!
I can't figure it out but at least it work.

Any ideas on what is going on?

Thanks,
Joe Rojas
IT Manager
TNCO, Inc.
781-447-6661 x7506
jrojas at tnco-inc.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Rojas [mailto:JRojas at tnco-inc.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 9:09 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access 2000 Charts

Hi Larry,

Thanks for the response!
I tried what you said but it still scales and it is still huge.
Any other ideas?

Thanks,
Joe Rojas
IT Manager
TNCO, Inc.
781-447-6661 x7506
jrojas at tnco-inc.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Lawrence Mrazek [mailto:lmrazek at lcm-res.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 10:17 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access 2000 Charts

Hi Joe:

Question 2:
Check the properties of the text boxes (menus, headings, etc.). Click on a
heading and bring up the properties (EX: format axis title). Click on the
"fonts" tab and make sure that "auto scale" is not checked. The Auto Scale
property "helps" you out by resizing everything you edited ... <G>.

Hope this helps.


Larry Mrazek
LCM Research, Inc.
www.lcm-res.com
lmrazek at lcm-res.com
ph. 314-432-5886
fx. 314-432-3304

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Joe Rojas
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 2:56 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2000 Charts

Hi all,

I have two problems that are driving me crazy with the charting control that
Access 2000 uses.

1) When I had a chart using the wizard, the datasheet for the chart is using
the East, West, North data that is there by default despite the fact that my
Row Source is correct. Is there a way to have the control update to reflect
"real" data?

2) I resized my chart so that it fills up most of the area on my report and
then changed the size mode to zoom. When I do this the text is monstrous
despite the fact that the font size is set to 8. Is there a way to have the
chart use the font size that is specified?

Thanks!
JR




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From paul.hartland at fsmail.net  Thu Aug 11 09:38:17 2005
From: paul.hartland at fsmail.net (paul.hartland at fsmail.net)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 16:38:17 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Excel Find next highest number above 0
Message-ID: <14753344.1123771097583.JavaMail.www@wwinf3001>

To all,

I am writing out to an Excel sheet a list of our counters names and their count rate on a specific job (ordered by CountRate DESC) by specific clients (9 clients, one sheet for each).  What I need to do is get the percentage between the two extreme count rates ( (highest-lowest)/highest ) To do this I had an excel template which had the formula ( (MAX(D2:D10000)-MIN(D2:D10000))/MAX(D2:D10000) ) and thought this would do the job, however if we haven't got the count data the lowest value is 0 which results in 100%....
How can I find the next highest value to the 0, I can loop backwards up the column but thought I would ask just in case there is a much cleaning/better way of acheiving this...

Paul Hartland
Database Developer

From Gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Aug 11 10:16:07 2005
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 17:16:07 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Excel Find next highest number above 0
Message-ID: <s2fb87e2.063@cactus.dk>

Hi Paul

Couldn't you follow this route:

  (max(value) - IIf(min(value) = 0, max(value), min(value))) /
max(value)

That would return zero if Min() is missing.

/gustav

>>> paul.hartland at fsmail.net 08/11 4:38 pm >>>
To all,

I am writing out to an Excel sheet a list of our counters names and
their count rate on a specific job (ordered by CountRate DESC) by
specific clients (9 clients, one sheet for each).  What I need to do is
get the percentage between the two extreme count rates (
(highest-lowest)/highest ) To do this I had an excel template which had
the formula ( (MAX(D2:D10000)-MIN(D2:D10000))/MAX(D2:D10000) ) and
thought this would do the job, however if we haven't got the count data
the lowest value is 0 which results in 100%....
How can I find the next highest value to the 0, I can loop backwards up
the column but thought I would ask just in case there is a much
cleaning/better way of acheiving this...

Paul Hartland
Database Developer



From paul.hartland at isharp.co.uk  Thu Aug 11 10:24:10 2005
From: paul.hartland at isharp.co.uk (Paul Hartland (ISHARP))
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 16:24:10 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Excel Find next highest number above 0
In-Reply-To: <s2fb87e2.063@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAC4AAAAAAAAAclrM129q6km1GlSfRwF8CgEAFKerAD79REu7GTojEo2iDgAAAAddkgAAEAAAABEqOC2ib+JMl17Fp7JcCqgBAAAAAA==@isharp.co.uk>

Not really, I need to calculate the two extreme values, so say if Row12
ColumnD =0 I would have to got to Row11 ColumnD and see that value, if that
was also a zero then row 10, 9, 8 etc until I reach a cell with a value
inside 

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: 11 August 2005 16:16
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT - Excel Find next highest number above 0

Hi Paul

Couldn't you follow this route:

  (max(value) - IIf(min(value) = 0, max(value), min(value))) /
max(value)

That would return zero if Min() is missing.

/gustav

>>> paul.hartland at fsmail.net 08/11 4:38 pm >>>
To all,

I am writing out to an Excel sheet a list of our counters names and their
count rate on a specific job (ordered by CountRate DESC) by specific clients
(9 clients, one sheet for each).  What I need to do is get the percentage
between the two extreme count rates ( (highest-lowest)/highest ) To do this
I had an excel template which had the formula (
(MAX(D2:D10000)-MIN(D2:D10000))/MAX(D2:D10000) ) and thought this would do
the job, however if we haven't got the count data the lowest value is 0
which results in 100%....
How can I find the next highest value to the 0, I can loop backwards up the
column but thought I would ask just in case there is a much cleaning/better
way of acheiving this...

Paul Hartland
Database Developer

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From darsant at gmail.com  Thu Aug 11 10:33:34 2005
From: darsant at gmail.com (Josh McFarlane)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 10:33:34 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Excel Find next highest number above 0
In-Reply-To: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAC4AAAAAAAAAclrM129q6km1GlSfRwF8CgEAFKerAD79REu7GTojEo2iDgAAAAddkgAAEAAAABEqOC2ib+JMl17Fp7JcCqgBAAAAAA==@isharp.co.uk>
References: <s2fb87e2.063@cactus.dk>
	<!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAC4AAAAAAAAAclrM129q6km1GlSfRwF8CgEAFKerAD79REu7GTojEo2iDgAAAAddkgAAEAAAABEqOC2ib+JMl17Fp7JcCqgBAAAAAA==@isharp.co.uk>
Message-ID: <53c8e05a050811083365757446@mail.gmail.com>

On 8/11/05, Paul Hartland (ISHARP) <paul.hartland at isharp.co.uk> wrote:
> Not really, I need to calculate the two extreme values, so say if Row12
> ColumnD =0 I would have to got to Row11 ColumnD and see that value, if that
> was also a zero then row 10, 9, 8 etc until I reach a cell with a value
> inside

Sounds like you might need to throw together a VBA function to do it,
you should be able to iterate through the rows until you find the
value you need that way and then return it to the cell.

Granted, may be a little more work, but it's guaranteed to work, and
probably will end up being less time than trying to get the built-ins
to work.

-- 
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-Albert Einstein


From greggs at msn.com  Thu Aug 11 12:31:01 2005
From: greggs at msn.com (Gregg)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 12:31:01 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Print Reports to Specific Printers WAS Where iseveryone?
References: <00a101c59e7d$36ce0860$640fa8c0@CONKEY2000>
Message-ID: <BAY103-DAV66E70C71609314DBED38FC6BD0@phx.gbl>

I didn't know that.  This customer uses 2000 but that would be handy for others if you can find it.  Thanks!
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Steve Conklin (Developer at UltraDNT)<mailto:Developer at UltraDNT)> 
  To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'<mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com> 
  Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 9:01 AM
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] Print Reports to Specific Printers WAS Where iseveryone?


  Didn't see if this got answered - are you using Access 2002 or higher?
  Much easier if the answer is yes.  Each report has a printer property
  that is changeable at run-time:

  DoCmd.OpenReport strName, acViewPreview, , "invoiceid=" &
  lngInvID
  Set rpt = Reports(strName)
  rpt.Printer = Application.Printers(DLOOKUP
  ("INVOICEPRINTER","usysUSERSETTINGS","UserID='" & GetUserID & "'"))

  I did an article at http://my.advisor.com/doc/14608<http://my.advisor.com/doc/14608> if you are a
  subscriber.  (I can send it off-line - if I can find it)

  If you are using 2000 or lower, you need PrtDevMode API code
  (http://support.microsoft.com/?id=129397<http://support.microsoft.com/?id=129397>)

  Either way, though, the driver has to get to the workstation, even if
  printing to a network printer via its share name.  These 2 methods can
  only give you a list of printers that properly show up in Ctl
  Panel/Printers.

  Hth
  Steve



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  [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gregg
  Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 4:30 PM
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Where is everyone?


  Since everyone is so lonely... I have a general question about setting
  up printers/networks/Access.  The client wants to print copies of Vendor
  Purchase Orders to multiple locations.  I have total latitude with the
  customer on printer setup, network setup and Access. Thus far, I have
  been creating a report for each printer, each having the same subreport.
  I know there is code out there to help me a little with that.  The part
  I really hate is setting up every user with every printer and the
  ongoing maintenance associated with it. 

  I need a magic button that prints a report to the network printers I
  have specified in a table and doesn't care if the printer is configured
  on that workstation or not.  Any ideas?????  

  Gregg Steinbrenner   
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    To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com<mailto:AccessD at databaseadvisors.com<mailto:AccessD at databaseadvisors.com<mailto:AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>> 
    Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 11:21 AM
    Subject: [AccessD] Where is everyone?


    I haven't seen a message since yesterday afternoon.

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From Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com  Thu Aug 11 12:55:05 2005
From: Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com (Hale, Jim)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 12:55:05 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Excel Find next highest number above 0
Message-ID: <6A6AA9DF57E4F046BDA1E273BDDB6772337776@corp-es01.fleetpride.com>

Look at the DMAX and DMIN functions which allow for criteria  such as >0
Jim Hale

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From: paul.hartland at fsmail.net [mailto:paul.hartland at fsmail.net]
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 9:38 AM
To: accessd
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Excel Find next highest number above 0


To all,

I am writing out to an Excel sheet a list of our counters names and their
count rate on a specific job (ordered by CountRate DESC) by specific clients
(9 clients, one sheet for each).  What I need to do is get the percentage
between the two extreme count rates ( (highest-lowest)/highest ) To do this
I had an excel template which had the formula (
(MAX(D2:D10000)-MIN(D2:D10000))/MAX(D2:D10000) ) and thought this would do
the job, however if we haven't got the count data the lowest value is 0
which results in 100%....
How can I find the next highest value to the 0, I can loop backwards up the
column but thought I would ask just in case there is a much cleaning/better
way of acheiving this...

Paul Hartland
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From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com  Thu Aug 11 15:02:18 2005
From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 16:02:18 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Excel Find next highest number above 0
Message-ID: <1D7828CDB8350747AFE9D69E0E90DA1F142558BA@xlivmbx21.aig.com>

So presumably you have a query that selects one client's counters and sorts
them by the count rate and it is the results of this query that is being
output to Excel. Something like this...

SELECT tblCounters.nCountRate 
FROM tblCounters
WHERE (((tblCounters.nClientID)=1))
ORDER BY tblCounters.nCountRate DESC;

Say this is qryCountRates

You could just as easily write a Totals query to do the calculation of the
percentage. This query would use the first query as its data source, and it
would have a criteria that would specify that the count rate must be > 0.

Like this...

SELECT Max(qryCountRates.nCountRate) AS MaxNo, Min(qryCountRates.nCountRate)
AS MinNo, ([MaxNo]-[MinNo])/[MaxNo] AS Perc
FROM qryCountRates
WHERE (((qryCountRates.nCountRate)>0));

This (with some dummy data I cobbled together) produced results like this in
just a few seconds: probably much faster than running a custom VBA function
thousands of times.

MaxNo	MinNo	Perc
100000	58	0.999419987201691

HTH

Lambert

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Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 10:38 AM
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Subject: [AccessD] OT - Excel Find next highest number above 0


To all,

I am writing out to an Excel sheet a list of our counters names and their
count rate on a specific job (ordered by CountRate DESC) by specific clients
(9 clients, one sheet for each).  What I need to do is get the percentage
between the two extreme count rates ( (highest-lowest)/highest ) To do this
I had an excel template which had the formula (
(MAX(D2:D10000)-MIN(D2:D10000))/MAX(D2:D10000) ) and thought this would do
the job, however if we haven't got the count data the lowest value is 0
which results in 100%.... How can I find the next highest value to the 0, I
can loop backwards up the column but thought I would ask just in case there
is a much cleaning/better way of acheiving this...

Paul Hartland
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From Bruce.Bruen at railcorp.nsw.gov.au  Thu Aug 11 20:57:57 2005
From: Bruce.Bruen at railcorp.nsw.gov.au (Bruen, Bruce)
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 11:57:57 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Tagged value query
Message-ID: <F2BE8EAB3EA585418337B71BCE6F3BF304EC2E@msmet100.rail.nsw.gov.au>

I'm having a total mental blank on this, please help.

I have an object that has 0-n tagged value pairs associated with it.
Object is is one table, the tagged values are in another.  There is a
simple FK relationship.  Here's the problem.  I want to produce a report
(list) of object and values for a set of the possible tagged values.
 
An example may make it clearer.
 
Object table tuples include a set of usecases UC1, UC2,....UCn
UC1 has tagged values: InFirstRelease=true; TestPriority=2;...
UC2 has tagged value: InFirstRelease=false
UC3 has tagged values: InFirstRelease=true; DocumentVer=2.0;
Approved=No;...
 
The report should look like:
 
Case             blah   blah    InFirstRelease  TestPriority
UC1    ..........................          TICK                2
UC2    ..........................          NoTICK         
UC3    ..........................          TICK                -
...
 
 
I just cannot get to 1st base on the query.
 
Any ideas gratefully requested
 
bruce
 
 
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From ssharkins at bellsouth.net  Thu Aug 11 21:19:58 2005
From: ssharkins at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 22:19:58 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Tagged value query
In-Reply-To: <F2BE8EAB3EA585418337B71BCE6F3BF304EC2E@msmet100.rail.nsw.gov.au>
Message-ID: <20050812021958.SIFE3975.ibm66aec.bellsouth.net@SUSANONE>

You want all objects, even if they have no tags? 

Susan H. 

I'm having a total mental blank on this, please help.

I have an object that has 0-n tagged value pairs associated with it.
Object is is one table, the tagged values are in another.  There is a simple
FK relationship.  Here's the problem.  I want to produce a report
(list) of object and values for a set of the possible tagged values.
 
An example may make it clearer.
 
Object table tuples include a set of usecases UC1, UC2,....UCn
UC1 has tagged values: InFirstRelease=true; TestPriority=2;...
UC2 has tagged value: InFirstRelease=false
UC3 has tagged values: InFirstRelease=true; DocumentVer=2.0; Approved=No;...
 
The report should look like:
 
Case             blah   blah    InFirstRelease  TestPriority
UC1    ..........................          TICK                2
UC2    ..........................          NoTICK         
UC3    ..........................          TICK                -
...
 
 
I just cannot get to 1st base on the query.
 
Any ideas gratefully requested
 
bruce
 
 
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From Bruce.Bruen at railcorp.nsw.gov.au  Thu Aug 11 22:09:17 2005
From: Bruce.Bruen at railcorp.nsw.gov.au (Bruen, Bruce)
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 13:09:17 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Tagged value query
Message-ID: <F2BE8EAB3EA585418337B71BCE6F3BF304EC31@msmet100.rail.nsw.gov.au>

Yes. 

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Friday, 12 August 2005 12:20 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Tagged value query

You want all objects, even if they have no tags? 

Susan H. 

I'm having a total mental blank on this, please help.

I have an object that has 0-n tagged value pairs associated with it.
Object is is one table, the tagged values are in another.  There is a
simple FK relationship.  Here's the problem.  I want to produce a report
(list) of object and values for a set of the possible tagged values.
 
An example may make it clearer.
 
Object table tuples include a set of usecases UC1, UC2,....UCn
UC1 has tagged values: InFirstRelease=true; TestPriority=2;...
UC2 has tagged value: InFirstRelease=false
UC3 has tagged values: InFirstRelease=true; DocumentVer=2.0;
Approved=No;...
 
The report should look like:
 
Case             blah   blah    InFirstRelease  TestPriority
UC1    ..........................          TICK                2
UC2    ..........................          NoTICK         
UC3    ..........................          TICK                -
...
 
 
I just cannot get to 1st base on the query.
 
Any ideas gratefully requested
 
bruce
 
 
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From ssharkins at bellsouth.net  Fri Aug 12 00:02:19 2005
From: ssharkins at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 01:02:19 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Tagged value query
In-Reply-To: <F2BE8EAB3EA585418337B71BCE6F3BF304EC31@msmet100.rail.nsw.gov.au>
Message-ID: <20050812050218.QKCP4854.ibm57aec.bellsouth.net@SUSANONE>

Have you tried an outer join? 

Left outer will retrieve all the primary key values in the one table. 
Right outer will retrieve all the foreign key values in the many table. 

Susan H. 

Yes. 

You want all objects, even if they have no tags? 




From Johncliviger at aol.com  Sat Aug 13 06:13:15 2005
From: Johncliviger at aol.com (Johncliviger at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 07:13:15 EDT
Subject: [AccessD] Upsize wizard MDB to SQL
Message-ID: <55.792af042.302f2fcb@aol.com>

Hi all
 
I've asked to migrate an Access 2002 BE to SQL 2000 server. Not having  done 
this before and not wanting fans and brown stuff to meet. So I 'm looking  for 
a some documentation on this.
 
My initial view is to apply the upsize wizard to the BE and keep  the FE as 
it is and link it via odbc to SQL BE. 
 
Comments and pointers most welcome. 
 
johnb


From JHewson at karta.com  Sat Aug 13 13:14:28 2005
From: JHewson at karta.com (Jim Hewson)
Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 13:14:28 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] SQL Server BE - Access FE
Message-ID: <9C382E065F54AE48BC3AA7925DCBB01C036B66CA@karta-exc-int.Karta.com>


Works good....
I can't seem to figure out how the security on the SQL Database can be
used.
When I first go into the FE, the forms work... when I need to look at
any of the data, I get an error message about the login failed for the
user.  I click the OK button and get another screen with Server visible
and the Use Trusted Connection checked.  When I uncheck the box, the
Login ID and Password are available to enter the correct information.
I've looked into the help and couldn't find what I needed. I have one
user in SQL Server with the correct security (Read-Only).

How do I connect without going through that sequence? 

TIA
Jim


From mikedorism at verizon.net  Sat Aug 13 14:29:42 2005
From: mikedorism at verizon.net (Mike & Doris Manning)
Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 15:29:42 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] SQL Server BE - Access FE
In-Reply-To: <9C382E065F54AE48BC3AA7925DCBB01C036B66CA@karta-exc-int.Karta.com>
Message-ID: <000001c5a03d$5b997500$2e01a8c0@dorismanning>

If you use an ADP with Windows authentication, you will get around that.
Otherwise you'll have to pop-up a login box each time you open the database
to set the connection.

Doris Manning
mikedorism at verizon.net

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Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2005 2:14 PM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] SQL Server BE - Access FE


Works good....
I can't seem to figure out how the security on the SQL Database can be
used.
When I first go into the FE, the forms work... when I need to look at
any of the data, I get an error message about the login failed for the
user.  I click the OK button and get another screen with Server visible
and the Use Trusted Connection checked.  When I uncheck the box, the
Login ID and Password are available to enter the correct information.
I've looked into the help and couldn't find what I needed. I have one
user in SQL Server with the correct security (Read-Only).

How do I connect without going through that sequence? 

TIA
Jim
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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Sat Aug 13 14:30:06 2005
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 12:30:06 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Upsize wizard MDB to SQL
References: <55.792af042.302f2fcb@aol.com>
Message-ID: <42FE4A3E.2090400@shaw.ca>

Here is a list of considerations to look at  re conversion mdb be  to sql
and links to MS upsizing wizard white paper.

http://www.upsizewizard.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=browse&id=5036&pageid=22


Here is a method of relinking SQL Server via DAO ODBC via DSN-Less 
Connections
It also has a coding method to ensure SQL Backend tables have an Index.
A common problem otherwise your SQL tables are not updateable.

http://www.accessmvp.com/djsteele/DSNLessLinks.html

It is not so easy if you go with ADO and  SQL Stored Procedures, you 
will have to change forms etc.
and queries.

Easy . Well it is is easy to repair space shuttle heat tiles, if you 
have the right tool - an opposable thumb.
 
Also make sure you understand, how to do proper SQL Backup procedures.

This book might help SQL: Access to SQL Server (Paperback)
by Susan Sales Harkins, Martin W.P. Reid


Johncliviger at aol.com wrote:

>Hi all
> 
>I've asked to migrate an Access 2002 BE to SQL 2000 server. Not having  done 
>this before and not wanting fans and brown stuff to meet. So I 'm looking  for 
>a some documentation on this.
> 
>My initial view is to apply the upsize wizard to the BE and keep  the FE as 
>it is and link it via odbc to SQL BE. 
> 
>Comments and pointers most welcome. 
> 
>johnb
>  
>

-- 
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Victoria, B.C.
Canada





From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Sat Aug 13 14:30:06 2005
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 12:30:06 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Upsize wizard MDB to SQL
References: <55.792af042.302f2fcb@aol.com>
Message-ID: <42FE4A3E.2090400@shaw.ca>

Here is a list of considerations to look at  re conversion mdb be  to sql
and links to MS upsizing wizard white paper.

http://www.upsizewizard.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=browse&id=5036&pageid=22


Here is a method of relinking SQL Server via DAO ODBC via DSN-Less 
Connections
It also has a coding method to ensure SQL Backend tables have an Index.
A common problem otherwise your SQL tables are not updateable.

http://www.accessmvp.com/djsteele/DSNLessLinks.html

It is not so easy if you go with ADO and  SQL Stored Procedures, you 
will have to change forms etc.
and queries.

Easy . Well it is is easy to repair space shuttle heat tiles, if you 
have the right tool - an opposable thumb.
 
Also make sure you understand, how to do proper SQL Backup procedures.

This book might help SQL: Access to SQL Server (Paperback)
by Susan Sales Harkins, Martin W.P. Reid


Johncliviger at aol.com wrote:

>Hi all
> 
>I've asked to migrate an Access 2002 BE to SQL 2000 server. Not having  done 
>this before and not wanting fans and brown stuff to meet. So I 'm looking  for 
>a some documentation on this.
> 
>My initial view is to apply the upsize wizard to the BE and keep  the FE as 
>it is and link it via odbc to SQL BE. 
> 
>Comments and pointers most welcome. 
> 
>johnb
>  
>

-- 
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada





From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Sat Aug 13 17:01:15 2005
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 15:01:15 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Upsize wizard MDB to SQL
References: <55.792af042.302f2fcb@aol.com> <42FE4A3E.2090400@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <42FE6DAB.3060506@shaw.ca>

Couple of  other books that might come in handy
Good explanation on how to use SP's from Access
Microsoft Access Developer's Guide to SQL Server (Paperback)
by Andy Baron, Mary Chipman

Don Celko's series on SQL for Smarties I think there are 4 in series
Good if you need to anything complex in SQL like storing hierarchial 
structures
ie relational tables to XML.

I see Mary Chipman has gone to work at Microsoft, along with Michael Kaplan.



MartyConnelly wrote:

> Here is a list of considerations to look at  re conversion mdb be  to sql
> and links to MS upsizing wizard white paper.
>
> http://www.upsizewizard.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=browse&id=5036&pageid=22
>
>
> Here is a method of relinking SQL Server via DAO ODBC via DSN-Less 
> Connections
> It also has a coding method to ensure SQL Backend tables have an Index.
> A common problem otherwise your SQL tables are not updateable.
>
> http://www.accessmvp.com/djsteele/DSNLessLinks.html
>
> It is not so easy if you go with ADO and  SQL Stored Procedures, you 
> will have to change forms etc.
> and queries.
>
> Easy . Well it is is easy to repair space shuttle heat tiles, if you 
> have the right tool - an opposable thumb.
>
> Also make sure you understand, how to do proper SQL Backup procedures.
>
> This book might help SQL: Access to SQL Server (Paperback)
> by Susan Sales Harkins, Martin W.P. Reid
>
>
> Johncliviger at aol.com wrote:
>
>> Hi all
>>
>> I've asked to migrate an Access 2002 BE to SQL 2000 server. Not 
>> having  done this before and not wanting fans and brown stuff to 
>> meet. So I 'm looking  for a some documentation on this.
>>
>> My initial view is to apply the upsize wizard to the BE and keep  the 
>> FE as it is and link it via odbc to SQL BE.
>> Comments and pointers most welcome.
>> johnb
>>  
>>
>

-- 
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada





From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Aug 13 17:25:57 2005
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 18:25:57 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Reporting a bug to Microsoft
Message-ID: <002c01c5a055$f9d1fcc0$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

Have you ever wanted to report a bug to MS but didn't know how?

MSWish at Microsoft.com

Is an email address for doing so.  I am told (by MS Developer tech support)
that you can send email to this address and they will respond.  I just sent
a rather long email to them outlining an "Access crashes" bug.  We shall
see.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/




From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Aug 13 17:28:31 2005
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 18:28:31 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Report a bug
Message-ID: <002d01c5a056$55c5dfb0$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

BTW, the web site with the phone number (wade through a long phone menu) is:

http://support.microsoft.com/gp/contactbug

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Sat Aug 13 19:59:01 2005
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 19:59:01 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Reporting a bug to Microsoft
In-Reply-To: <23354458.1123972196196.JavaMail.root@sniper15>
Message-ID: <000001c5a06b$60b6ba60$0300a8c0@danwaters>

John,

I once reported an Access bug and my workaround to MS (had to do with
conditional formatting).  They duplicated the problem perfectly, and told me
they passed it on to the development group.

At the end of the email conversation, I was told, "Mr. Waters, because you
were able to resolve this problem yourself, we won't reduce the number of
free tech help support hours you have."

Gee - Thanks!  I did resolve the error myself (by multiplying a numeric
field value by the number 1), and I didn't know I had any free tech support
hours to begin with.

So - be careful you don't lose any of those hours!

Dan Waters

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2005 5:26 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Reporting a bug to Microsoft

Have you ever wanted to report a bug to MS but didn't know how?

MSWish at Microsoft.com

Is an email address for doing so.  I am told (by MS Developer tech support)
that you can send email to this address and they will respond.  I just sent
a rather long email to them outlining an "Access crashes" bug.  We shall
see.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From artful at rogers.com  Sat Aug 13 21:07:52 2005
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 22:07:52 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Query difference between Access 97 and 2002
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86873B98@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <200508140207.j7E27nR05729@databaseadvisors.com>

You could also use a static function to put this problem in a nice little
package and forget about it forever. Check the archives for my previous
rants on static functions. If you can't find one, I'll send you the sample
code off-list.

Arthur

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: August 9, 2005 4:32 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Query difference between Access 97 and 2002

In addition to Jin's suggestion, check the query parameter for that
reference and make sure all the square brackets are in the right places.
In 97 you could leave them out entirely or put them around a single
element of the reference.  In 2000 and later, the query engine will
insert a pair of square brackets around the entire reference if any of
the brackets around the individual elements were skipped.  I've run into
this repeatedly.

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Dettman [mailto:jimdettman at earthlink.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 12:21 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Query difference between Access 97 and 2002


Barb,

  Make sure you explicitly type (text, date, integer) the data expected
in the control (in query design, goto query/parameters).

Jim.

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Barbara Ryan
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 3:20 PM
To: Access List
Subject: [AccessD] Query difference between Access 97 and 2002


I have converted an Access 97 application to Access 2002 (XP).  A query
that works in 97 will no longer work in XP.  The  field in the query
causing the problem is referencing an unbound text box on an open form,
i.e., the field name in the query is
"PeriodEndDate:[Forms]![frmPerDiemEntry]![txtPeriodEndDate]".  When I
execute the query in 97, I see the contents of txtPeriodEndDate;
however, in XP, it is blank/null.

Any ideas?

Thanks,
Barb Ryan
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Aug 13 21:11:19 2005
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 22:11:19 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Reporting a bug to Microsoft
In-Reply-To: <000001c5a06b$60b6ba60$0300a8c0@danwaters>
Message-ID: <003801c5a075$79aa7840$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

LOL, reduce the number of free support hours because you report a BUG to
them.  That's classic.

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2005 8:59 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Reporting a bug to Microsoft


John,

I once reported an Access bug and my workaround to MS (had to do with
conditional formatting).  They duplicated the problem perfectly, and told me
they passed it on to the development group.

At the end of the email conversation, I was told, "Mr. Waters, because you
were able to resolve this problem yourself, we won't reduce the number of
free tech help support hours you have."

Gee - Thanks!  I did resolve the error myself (by multiplying a numeric
field value by the number 1), and I didn't know I had any free tech support
hours to begin with.

So - be careful you don't lose any of those hours!

Dan Waters

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Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2005 5:26 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Reporting a bug to Microsoft

Have you ever wanted to report a bug to MS but didn't know how?

MSWish at Microsoft.com

Is an email address for doing so.  I am told (by MS Developer tech support)
that you can send email to this address and they will respond.  I just sent
a rather long email to them outlining an "Access crashes" bug.  We shall
see.

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From artful at rogers.com  Sat Aug 13 21:11:52 2005
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 22:11:52 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Clear Debug Window Programmatically
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86873B99@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <200508140211.j7E2BnR06568@databaseadvisors.com>

I thought that I had explained why I want to do it programmatically, but in
case I didn't or it was missed, I shall repeat: I sprinkle my code with
liberal doses of Debug.Print statements, particularly when debugging or
exploring new corners. I might put a breakpoint on several statements at the
end of a string of such Debug.Print statements. The window rapidly fills up.
I want to be able to do housecleaning at certain points, such that the debug
window contains only the results since my last housecleaning.

It's not a big deal. I can survive as I have been doing. I simply wondered
whether there was a statement equivalent to clearing the debug window.

Arthur

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: August 9, 2005 4:35 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Clear Debug Window Programmatically

I realize that you asked for a programmatic method.  However, since the
debug window is only available in the VBE, I didn't see any purpose in a
programmatic method ... In XP and above, of course. <g>  You didn't
indicate the version or WHY you needed it, so it's your own fault if we
wandered off in another direction! LOL

Charlotte Foust



From artful at rogers.com  Sat Aug 13 21:36:54 2005
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 22:36:54 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Memo field parsing
In-Reply-To: <BAY103-DAV80B80606835F7D8B45568C6BA0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <200508140236.j7E2aqR12730@databaseadvisors.com>

What a nice and beautifully explained piece of code, A.D. My compliments!

Arthur

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gregg
Sent: August 10, 2005 3:33 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Memo field parsing

Worked like a charm A.D.  thanks again!
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: A.D.Tejpal<mailto:adtp at touchtelindia.net> 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem
solving<mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com> 
  Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 2:57 PM
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Memo field parsing


  Gregg,

      For sake of demonstration, let the source table named T_Memo consist
of two fields, named ID (primary key - Autonumber) and Mem (memo type). 

      Create another table, named T_MemRef, with just one field named Ref
(number type). Populate this table with just two records, with values 1 and
2 respectively. Query Q_Memo as given below, should be used as record source
for your report. It involves Cartesian join between tables T_Memo and
T_MemRef. 

      In detail section of your report, drag Mem and Ref from the field
list, so as to create bound controls named Mem and Ref. Make these controls
hidden, set their CanGrow property to "No" and position the same
un-obtrusively. Insert an unbound text box named TxtMemo. This is the text
box that would actually display the contents of memo field. Set the width
and fonts as desired. Set the CanGrow property of this control as well as
the detail section as a whole, to "Yes".

      In VBA window, put the code given below, in Detail_Format event of the
report. Make sure that the item "On Format" in Event tab of properties
dialog box shows [Event Procedure] against it.

      Now, when you run the report, first three lines of the memo field will
get displayed on first page and the balance portion on the next page.
Similar pattern would get repeated for all records.
      
  Best wishes,
  A.D.Tejpal
  --------------

  Source Query for the report (Q_Memo)
  =====================================
  SELECT T_Memo.ID, T_MemRef.Ref, T_Memo.Mem
  FROM T_Memo, T_MemRef
  ORDER BY T_Memo.ID, T_MemRef.Ref;
  =====================================

  Code in Report's Module
  =====================================
  Private Sub Detail_Format(Cancel As Integer, _
                                          FormatCount As Integer)
      Dim Wd As Long, Rw As Single, Mgn As Long
      Dim LenMem As Long, Txt As String, Lft As Long
      Dim LastSpace As Long, MaxRowsFirstPart
      Dim Mpf As Single
      
      MaxRowsFirstPart = 3
      LenMem = Len(Mem)
      If LenMem > 0 Then
      Else
          Exit Sub
      End If
      
      With Me
          ' Set the scale mode to twips
          .ScaleMode = 1
          ' Set Font values for report to match those of memo field.
          .FontName = TxtMemo.FontName
          .FontSize = TxtMemo.FontSize
          If TxtMemo.FontBold <> 0 Then
              .FontBold = True
          Else
              .FontBold = False
          End If
      End With
      
      ' Allow for necessary margin within a text box
      ' (Between its border and the content)
      Mgn = 170     ' This value may need fine tuning for
                              ' best results
      ' Get effective width of control meant for
      ' displaying memo field
      Wd = TxtMemo.Width - Mgn
      ' Get the number of characters so as to make-up the
      ' required number of rows for first part of memo field.
      For Lft = 1 To LenMem
          Txt = Left(Mem, Lft)
          LastSpace = IIf(Right(Txt, 1) = " ", Lft, LastSpace)
          Rw = TextWidth(Txt) / Wd
          If Rw > MaxRowsFirstPart Then
              Lft = Lft - 1
              Exit For
          End If
      Next
      Debug.Print Lft; ", "; LastSpace
      
      ' Get Multiplying factor for acceptable max location
      ' of last space.
      Mpf = (0.8 + (MaxRowsFirstPart - 1)) / MaxRowsFirstPart
      
      ' Shorten the first part to nearest space
      ' (if within 20 % of the end of line)
      If LastSpace > Mpf * Lft And LastSpace < Lft Then
          Lft = LastSpace
      End If
      
      ' Populate the unbound text box with appropriate
      ' part of memo field.
      If Ref = 1 Then
          TxtMemo = Left(Mem, Lft)
          ' Force New Page - Afer section, only if memo
          ' field contents not yet finished
          If LenMem > Lft Then
              Detail.ForceNewPage = 2
          Else
              Detail.ForceNewPage = 0   ' No break
          End If
      Else
          TxtMemo = Mid(Mem, Lft + 1)
          ' Force New Page - Afer section
          Detail.ForceNewPage = 2
      End If
  End Sub
  =====================================

    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Gregg 
    To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
    Cc: Robert Penn 
    Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 04:19
    Subject: Re: [AccessD] Memo field parsing


    Thanks Charlotte!  I give it a try.

      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: Charlotte
Foust<mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com<mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com>> 
      To: Access Developers discussion and problem
solving<mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com<mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.
com>> 
      Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 5:33 PM
      Subject: RE: [AccessD] Memo field parsing

      No, get the textwidth of the control and see if the textwidth of the
text is greater than that.  Handle the situation where it is not and
everything fits in the first control.  Otherwise get the text that fits
within the control textwidth and use instrRev to find the last space in that
substring.  Break it there.  

    At that point, you also know the index of the starting point for the
rest of the string, so all you need to do for the next page is use the
Mid(text, index) to put the rest of it into the second page.

    Charlotte Foust

      -----Original Message-----
      From: Gregg [mailto:greggs at msn.com] 
      Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 11:34 AM
      To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
      Subject: Re: [AccessD] Memo field parsing


      So, you're saying I need to loop through all the characters until I
find
      the last whole word that will fit on the first line, the same for the
      second etc. until I determine what text will fit in the first page
text
      field and use what's left for the 2nd page?
        ----- Original Message ----- 
        From: Charlotte
Foust<mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com<mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com<ma
ilto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com<mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com>>> 
        To: Access Developers discussion and problem
 
solving<mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com<mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.
com<mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com<mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>> 
        Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 11:02 AM
        Subject: RE: [AccessD] Memo field parsing


        You can't do it by simply counting characters anyhow.  You have to
use
        the TextWidth property, which can be expressed as
        reportname.TextWidth(stringvariable) and compare that to the
textwidth
        of the control ( reportname.TextWidth(controlobject) or to the
maximum
        length you want to display.  You'll also want to allow a padding
      factor
        to avoid overrunning the  borders of the control and be sure and
check
        for carriage returns because they confuse the issue.

        If you want to display 3 "lines", you'll have to break the memo
field
        into the first three chunks that will fit into the textwidth of the
        textbox you're using to display the text on that page.

        Charlotte Foust


        -----Original Message-----
        From: Gregg [mailto:greggs at msn.com] 
        Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 8:43 AM
        To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
        Subject: Re: [AccessD] Memo field parsing


        Charlotte

        Physical space I think because I don't know how to get from one to
the
        other.  The number of characters is going to be dependant on the how
        many characters are lost to word wrapping isn't it?  Is there a way
to
        calculate the number of characters that will appear in the first
three
        lines?  If I knew that, I could do it.
          ----- Original Message ----- 
          From: Charlotte
 
Foust<mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com<mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.co<mai
lto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com<mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.co<mailto:cfous
t at infostatsystems.com<mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.co<mailto:cfoust at infosta
tsystems.com<mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.co>>
      m>> 
          To: Access Developers discussion and problem
       
 
solving<mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com<mailto:accessd at databaseadvis<mai
lto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com<mailto:accessd at databaseadvis<mailto:accessd
@databaseadvisors.com<mailto:accessd at databaseadvis<mailto:accessd at databasead
visors.com<mailto:accessd at databaseadvis>>
      ors.com>> 
          Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 10:28 AM
          Subject: RE: [AccessD] Memo field parsing


          Define "first three lines".   Is that a particular number of
        characters
          or a physical space?

          Charlotte Foust


          -----Original Message-----
          From: Gregg [mailto:greggs at msn.com] 
          Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 7:32 AM
          To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
          Subject: [AccessD] Memo field parsing

          I would like to parse a memo field in a A97 report such that the
first three lines is on the first page and whatever is left is on the next.
          Any ideas?

          Gregg Steinbrenner
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From artful at rogers.com  Sat Aug 13 21:38:04 2005
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 22:38:04 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Where is everyone?
In-Reply-To: <00c101c59de2$296bd670$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <200508140238.j7E2c0R13359@databaseadvisors.com>

Somebody should write up the history of AccessD for publication in the
newsletter, and for posterity.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: August 10, 2005 3:32 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Where is everyone?

Ahhhh... The beginning of DatabaseAdvisors.  I remember it well.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Michael R Mattys
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 3:22 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Where is everyone?


I was going through my old email and found a couple
on my trip down Memory Lane:


From: David Scott [mailto:davidscott at mtgroup.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2000 11:56 AM
To: Christopher Hawkins
Subject: RE: Help! My posts are getting bounced!

I only pop in on the list maybe once every month or two to see what's going
on. Today I signed on and received a mailbox full of some of the most
ridiculous posts I've ever seen. People lobbing insults at each other,
flames, etc.

I have a very limited amount of bandwidth, and accessd takes most of it.
I'll be darned if I'm going to take bandwidth away from my customers who
need it to support this kind of list traffic.

As of today, accessd is dead. I may bring it back up later, depending on the
response I get. When (if) I do, the people who were active members this
morning will be back on then.

I don't want to come across to you too harsh - personally you may have not
contributed to this incident at all, but I'm pretty miffed at the whole
thing.

Dave


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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Aug 13 21:38:58 2005
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 22:38:58 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Query difference between Access 97 and 2002
In-Reply-To: <200508140207.j7E27nR05729@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <003901c5a079$557b2d30$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

And look at mine where I replace Arthur's static variable with a collection
to turn the function into single function with many storage locations.

'
'Fltr takes two parameters - the filter name, and the filter value (which is
optional).
'
'The first syntax can be used to set the filter value:
'
'fltr "MyFltr1", MyFltrValue
'
'The filter lstrName is used as the key into the collection, i.e. when
lvarValue
'is stored, it is stored with a key of lstrName.
'
'The second syntax can be used to retrieve the value of the filter:
'
'fltr("MyFltr1")
'
'The fact that the second parameter is Optional allows us to check whether a
value
'has been passed in.  If no value is passed in, then the assumption is that
the filter
'is expecting to return a value.
'
'Because the filter uses a collection internally to save the values, this
single
'function can store up to 32K different filter values.
'
'Because lvarValue is a variant, the value stored can be pretty much
anything.
'In fact it is necessary to use ctl.VALUE if you want to store an unchanging
value
'from a control, since passing in a pointer to a control will then return
the value
'of the control, which may change over time.
'
Public Function Fltr(lstrName As String, Optional lvarValue As Variant) As
Variant
On Error GoTo Err_Fltr
Static mcolFilter As Collection
Static blnFltrInitialized As Boolean

    If Not blnFltrInitialized Then
        Set mcolFilter = New Collection
        blnFltrInitialized = True
    End If
    If IsMissing(lvarValue) Then
        On Error Resume Next
        Fltr = mcolFilter(lstrName)
        If Err <> 0 Then
            Fltr = Null
        End If
    Else
        On Error Resume Next
        mcolFilter.Remove lstrName
        mcolFilter.Add lvarValue, lstrName
        Fltr = lvarValue
    End If
Exit_Fltr:
Exit Function
Err_Fltr:
        MsgBox Err.Description, , "Error in Function basFltrFunctions.Fltr"
        Resume Exit_Fltr
    Resume 0    '.FOR TROUBLESHOOTING
End Function



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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2005 10:08 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Query difference between Access 97 and 2002


You could also use a static function to put this problem in a nice little
package and forget about it forever. Check the archives for my previous
rants on static functions. If you can't find one, I'll send you the sample
code off-list.

Arthur




From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sat Aug 13 21:44:55 2005
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 12:44:55 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Clear Debug Window Programmatically
In-Reply-To: <200508140211.j7E2BnR06568@databaseadvisors.com>
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86873B99@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <42FF3CC7.27650.4BD2ACD@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

On 13 Aug 2005 at 22:11, Arthur Fuller wrote:

> 
> It's not a big deal. I can survive as I have been doing. I simply wondered
> whether there was a statement equivalent to clearing the debug window.

Try googling "Debug.Clear" :-(   

It appears on just about every VB/VBA wishlist I've seen since VB3 and it's 
never been implemented. 






-- 
Stuart




From newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz  Sat Aug 13 21:57:36 2005
From: newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 14:57:36 +1200
Subject: [AccessD] Clear Debug Window Programmatically
In-Reply-To: <42FF3CC7.27650.4BD2ACD@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86873B99@infoserver01.infostat.local>
	<42FF3CC7.27650.4BD2ACD@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.0.20050814145616.03114b30@mail.dalyn.co.nz>

As a cheap option, how about sending a few character returns to move the 
existing text down out of the way?

David


At 08/14/2005, you wrote:
>On 13 Aug 2005 at 22:11, Arthur Fuller wrote:
>
> >
> > It's not a big deal. I can survive as I have been doing. I simply wondered
> > whether there was a statement equivalent to clearing the debug window.
>
>Try googling "Debug.Clear" :-(
>
>It appears on just about every VB/VBA wishlist I've seen since VB3 and it's
>never been implemented.
>
>--
>Stuart



From adtp at touchtelindia.net  Sat Aug 13 23:08:44 2005
From: adtp at touchtelindia.net (A.D.Tejpal)
Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 09:38:44 +0530
Subject: [AccessD] Memo field parsing
References: <200508140236.j7E2aqR12730@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <004201c5a086$3b0d8210$af1865cb@winxp>

    Thanks Arthur! - for your kind words. So nice of you.

A.D.Tejpal
--------------

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Arthur Fuller 
  To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' 
  Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 08:06
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] Memo field parsing


  What a nice and beautifully explained piece of code, A.D. My compliments!

  Arthur

  -----Original Message-----
  From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
  [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gregg
  Sent: August 10, 2005 3:33 PM
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Memo field parsing

  Worked like a charm A.D.  thanks again!


    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: A.D.Tejpal<mailto:adtp at touchtelindia.net> 
    To: Access Developers discussion and problem
  solving<mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com> 
    Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 2:57 PM
    Subject: Re: [AccessD] Memo field parsing


    Gregg,

        For sake of demonstration, let the source table named T_Memo consist
  of two fields, named ID (primary key - Autonumber) and Mem (memo type). 

        Create another table, named T_MemRef, with just one field named Ref
  (number type). Populate this table with just two records, with values 1 and
  2 respectively. Query Q_Memo as given below, should be used as record source
  for your report. It involves Cartesian join between tables T_Memo and
  T_MemRef. 

        In detail section of your report, drag Mem and Ref from the field
  list, so as to create bound controls named Mem and Ref. Make these controls
  hidden, set their CanGrow property to "No" and position the same
  un-obtrusively. Insert an unbound text box named TxtMemo. This is the text
  box that would actually display the contents of memo field. Set the width
  and fonts as desired. Set the CanGrow property of this control as well as
  the detail section as a whole, to "Yes".

        In VBA window, put the code given below, in Detail_Format event of the
  report. Make sure that the item "On Format" in Event tab of properties
  dialog box shows [Event Procedure] against it.

        Now, when you run the report, first three lines of the memo field will
  get displayed on first page and the balance portion on the next page.
  Similar pattern would get repeated for all records.
        
    Best wishes,
    A.D.Tejpal
    --------------

    Source Query for the report (Q_Memo)
    =====================================
    SELECT T_Memo.ID, T_MemRef.Ref, T_Memo.Mem
    FROM T_Memo, T_MemRef
    ORDER BY T_Memo.ID, T_MemRef.Ref;
    =====================================

    Code in Report's Module
    =====================================
    Private Sub Detail_Format(Cancel As Integer, _
                                            FormatCount As Integer)
        Dim Wd As Long, Rw As Single, Mgn As Long
        Dim LenMem As Long, Txt As String, Lft As Long
        Dim LastSpace As Long, MaxRowsFirstPart
        Dim Mpf As Single
        
        MaxRowsFirstPart = 3
        LenMem = Len(Mem)
        If LenMem > 0 Then
        Else
            Exit Sub
        End If
        
        With Me
            ' Set the scale mode to twips
            .ScaleMode = 1
            ' Set Font values for report to match those of memo field.
            .FontName = TxtMemo.FontName
            .FontSize = TxtMemo.FontSize
            If TxtMemo.FontBold <> 0 Then
                .FontBold = True
            Else
                .FontBold = False
            End If
        End With
        
        ' Allow for necessary margin within a text box
        ' (Between its border and the content)
        Mgn = 170     ' This value may need fine tuning for
                                ' best results
        ' Get effective width of control meant for
        ' displaying memo field
        Wd = TxtMemo.Width - Mgn
        ' Get the number of characters so as to make-up the
        ' required number of rows for first part of memo field.
        For Lft = 1 To LenMem
            Txt = Left(Mem, Lft)
            LastSpace = IIf(Right(Txt, 1) = " ", Lft, LastSpace)
            Rw = TextWidth(Txt) / Wd
            If Rw > MaxRowsFirstPart Then
                Lft = Lft - 1
                Exit For
            End If
        Next
        Debug.Print Lft; ", "; LastSpace
        
        ' Get Multiplying factor for acceptable max location
        ' of last space.
        Mpf = (0.8 + (MaxRowsFirstPart - 1)) / MaxRowsFirstPart
        
        ' Shorten the first part to nearest space
        ' (if within 20 % of the end of line)
        If LastSpace > Mpf * Lft And LastSpace < Lft Then
            Lft = LastSpace
        End If
        
        ' Populate the unbound text box with appropriate
        ' part of memo field.
        If Ref = 1 Then
            TxtMemo = Left(Mem, Lft)
            ' Force New Page - Afer section, only if memo
            ' field contents not yet finished
            If LenMem > Lft Then
                Detail.ForceNewPage = 2
            Else
                Detail.ForceNewPage = 0   ' No break
            End If
        Else
            TxtMemo = Mid(Mem, Lft + 1)
            ' Force New Page - Afer section
            Detail.ForceNewPage = 2
        End If
    End Sub
    =====================================


From Johncliviger at aol.com  Sun Aug 14 05:42:23 2005
From: Johncliviger at aol.com (Johncliviger at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 06:42:23 EDT
Subject: [AccessD] Upsize wizard MDB to SQL
Message-ID: <1fb.e9ff7bd.30307a0f@aol.com>

Hi Martin
 
Thanks for the pointers. They should keep me busy for a while. Its going to  
be a steep learning curve.
 
Kind regards
 
johnc  


From listmaster at databaseadvisors.com  Sun Aug 14 08:50:58 2005
From: listmaster at databaseadvisors.com (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 09:50:58 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Administrivia - Lists Temporarily Down
Message-ID: <42FF1402.5531.150D8B@listmaster.databaseadvisors.com>

The company that hosts our lists will be doing some maintenance on 
their network from 11PM Aug 16 to 6 AM Aug 17 CST (04:00 to 11:00 on 
Aug 17 UTC - http://www.timezoneconverter.com/cgi-bin/tzc.tzc to find 
out what time it is in your timezone)) 

They are upgrading their core routers, which will cause dba's list, 
and associated web pages (not the Website, but the list pages, 
including archives) to be down, anywhere from a few minutes to an 
hour.

Hopefully this does not cause anyone too much of an inconvenience.

-- 
Bryan Carbonnell - listmaster at databaseadvisors.com
If you can't be a good example, then you'll just have to be a 
horrible warning.




From john at winhaven.net  Sun Aug 14 16:11:28 2005
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 16:11:28 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Where is everyone?
In-Reply-To: <200508140238.j7E2c0R13359@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <200508142111.j7ELBYkr209474@pimout1-ext.prodigy.net>

Go for it! 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2005 9:38 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Where is everyone?

Somebody should write up the history of AccessD for publication in the
newsletter, and for posterity.



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sun Aug 14 18:41:17 2005
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 19:41:17 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Bug Report
Message-ID: <004801c5a129$aa5d00c0$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

The following is the response I got to my bug report:

Hello John, 
 
Thank you for contacting Microsoft Online Customer Service. 
 
I appreciate the time you have taken to provide us with the feedback.
As a Customer Service Representative, I can assist you with the support
options available with your Microsoft product. You can report bugs by postal
mail to the following address: 
 
Attn: Office Development Group
Microsoft Corporation
One Microsoft Way
Redmond, WA 98052
 
The letter should include a complete description of the bug including the
actions, software, and hardware associated with the bug and whether or not
it is consistently reproducible. 
 
You may also contact Microsoft Customer Service and speak with a support
professional about the issue and have a support case created. This method
will require you to utilize the standard options of support that are
available for your copy of Microsoft product initially. Once the support
professional is able to determine that the problem is a bug with the
software, they will not decrement the incident from warranty support or
account or issue a refund of any credit card charges if applicable. 
 
You may contact  Microsoft Developer Support Team at (800) 936-5800. They
are available 24 hours a day.  They will be able to assist you. 
 
John, I hope your issue gets resolved.
 
Thank you for using Microsoft products and services. 

Benoy
Microsoft Online Customer Service Representative

If you have any feedback about your Online Customer Service experience
please E-mail my manager Rahul Rajgopal at managers at microsoft.com
 
 

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/




From bchacc at san.rr.com  Sun Aug 14 18:50:48 2005
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 16:50:48 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Bug Report
References: <004801c5a129$aa5d00c0$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <024301c5a12a$fef2f1c0$6501a8c0@HAL9004>

You're on a first name basis with Benoy?  Not many of us have that kind of 
clout.

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John W. Colby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 4:41 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Bug Report


> The following is the response I got to my bug report:
>
> Hello John,
>
> Thank you for contacting Microsoft Online Customer Service.
>
> I appreciate the time you have taken to provide us with the feedback.
> As a Customer Service Representative, I can assist you with the support
> options available with your Microsoft product. You can report bugs by 
> postal
> mail to the following address:
>
> Attn: Office Development Group
> Microsoft Corporation
> One Microsoft Way
> Redmond, WA 98052
>
> The letter should include a complete description of the bug including the
> actions, software, and hardware associated with the bug and whether or not
> it is consistently reproducible.
>
> You may also contact Microsoft Customer Service and speak with a support
> professional about the issue and have a support case created. This method
> will require you to utilize the standard options of support that are
> available for your copy of Microsoft product initially. Once the support
> professional is able to determine that the problem is a bug with the
> software, they will not decrement the incident from warranty support or
> account or issue a refund of any credit card charges if applicable.
>
> You may contact  Microsoft Developer Support Team at (800) 936-5800. They
> are available 24 hours a day.  They will be able to assist you.
>
> John, I hope your issue gets resolved.
>
> Thank you for using Microsoft products and services.
>
> Benoy
> Microsoft Online Customer Service Representative
>
> If you have any feedback about your Online Customer Service experience
> please E-mail my manager Rahul Rajgopal at managers at microsoft.com
>
>
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
> http://folding.stanford.edu/
>
>
> -- 
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sun Aug 14 18:53:23 2005
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 19:53:23 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Bug Report
In-Reply-To: <024301c5a12a$fef2f1c0$6501a8c0@HAL9004>
Message-ID: <004901c5a12b$5b23b6a0$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

LOL.  All you have to do is pay them money to tell them about their bugs and
you too can be on a first name basis.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
Beach Access Software
Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 7:51 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Bug Report


You're on a first name basis with Benoy?  Not many of us have that kind of 
clout.

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John W. Colby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 4:41 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Bug Report


> The following is the response I got to my bug report:
>
> Hello John,
>
> Thank you for contacting Microsoft Online Customer Service.
>
> I appreciate the time you have taken to provide us with the feedback. 
> As a Customer Service Representative, I can assist you with the 
> support options available with your Microsoft product. You can report 
> bugs by postal mail to the following address:
>
> Attn: Office Development Group
> Microsoft Corporation
> One Microsoft Way
> Redmond, WA 98052
>
> The letter should include a complete description of the bug including 
> the actions, software, and hardware associated with the bug and 
> whether or not it is consistently reproducible.
>
> You may also contact Microsoft Customer Service and speak with a 
> support professional about the issue and have a support case created. 
> This method will require you to utilize the standard options of 
> support that are available for your copy of Microsoft product 
> initially. Once the support professional is able to determine that the 
> problem is a bug with the software, they will not decrement the 
> incident from warranty support or account or issue a refund of any 
> credit card charges if applicable.
>
> You may contact  Microsoft Developer Support Team at (800) 936-5800. 
> They are available 24 hours a day.  They will be able to assist you.
>
> John, I hope your issue gets resolved.
>
> Thank you for using Microsoft products and services.
>
> Benoy
> Microsoft Online Customer Service Representative
>
> If you have any feedback about your Online Customer Service experience 
> please E-mail my manager Rahul Rajgopal at managers at microsoft.com
>
>
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause: 
> http://folding.stanford.edu/
>
>
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sun Aug 14 19:03:49 2005
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 20:03:49 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Bug Report
In-Reply-To: <004901c5a12b$5b23b6a0$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <004a01c5a12c$d61e9a90$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

Because I am an action pack subscriber, and because the problem occurs under
OfficeXp and Windows XP received from them in the Action Pack, I have 2
available support incidents free of charge, which I am using the first of
for this bug report.  We shall see if I get it back.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 7:53 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Bug Report


LOL.  All you have to do is pay them money to tell them about their bugs and
you too can be on a first name basis.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
Beach Access Software
Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 7:51 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Bug Report


You're on a first name basis with Benoy?  Not many of us have that kind of 
clout.

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John W. Colby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 4:41 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Bug Report


> The following is the response I got to my bug report:
>
> Hello John,
>
> Thank you for contacting Microsoft Online Customer Service.
>
> I appreciate the time you have taken to provide us with the feedback.
> As a Customer Service Representative, I can assist you with the 
> support options available with your Microsoft product. You can report 
> bugs by postal mail to the following address:
>
> Attn: Office Development Group
> Microsoft Corporation
> One Microsoft Way
> Redmond, WA 98052
>
> The letter should include a complete description of the bug including
> the actions, software, and hardware associated with the bug and 
> whether or not it is consistently reproducible.
>
> You may also contact Microsoft Customer Service and speak with a
> support professional about the issue and have a support case created. 
> This method will require you to utilize the standard options of 
> support that are available for your copy of Microsoft product 
> initially. Once the support professional is able to determine that the 
> problem is a bug with the software, they will not decrement the 
> incident from warranty support or account or issue a refund of any 
> credit card charges if applicable.
>
> You may contact  Microsoft Developer Support Team at (800) 936-5800.
> They are available 24 hours a day.  They will be able to assist you.
>
> John, I hope your issue gets resolved.
>
> Thank you for using Microsoft products and services.
>
> Benoy
> Microsoft Online Customer Service Representative
>
> If you have any feedback about your Online Customer Service experience
> please E-mail my manager Rahul Rajgopal at managers at microsoft.com
>
>
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
> http://folding.stanford.edu/
>
>
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> 

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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Sun Aug 14 19:44:29 2005
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 19:44:29 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Bug Report
In-Reply-To: <18161758.1124063022734.JavaMail.root@sniper15>
Message-ID: <000001c5a132$80bdb440$0300a8c0@danwaters>

Well - MS is really loosening up!  They won't charge you if it really does
turn out to be a bug.  I had to solve my bug myself for them to not charge
me!

Best of Luck!

Dan Waters

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 6:41 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Bug Report

The following is the response I got to my bug report:

Hello John, 
 
Thank you for contacting Microsoft Online Customer Service. 
 
I appreciate the time you have taken to provide us with the feedback.
As a Customer Service Representative, I can assist you with the support
options available with your Microsoft product. You can report bugs by postal
mail to the following address: 
 
Attn: Office Development Group
Microsoft Corporation
One Microsoft Way
Redmond, WA 98052
 
The letter should include a complete description of the bug including the
actions, software, and hardware associated with the bug and whether or not
it is consistently reproducible. 
 
You may also contact Microsoft Customer Service and speak with a support
professional about the issue and have a support case created. This method
will require you to utilize the standard options of support that are
available for your copy of Microsoft product initially. Once the support
professional is able to determine that the problem is a bug with the
software, they will not decrement the incident from warranty support or
account or issue a refund of any credit card charges if applicable. 
 
You may contact  Microsoft Developer Support Team at (800) 936-5800. They
are available 24 hours a day.  They will be able to assist you. 
 
John, I hope your issue gets resolved.
 
Thank you for using Microsoft products and services. 

Benoy
Microsoft Online Customer Service Representative

If you have any feedback about your Online Customer Service experience
please E-mail my manager Rahul Rajgopal at managers at microsoft.com
 
 

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/


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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sun Aug 14 19:52:30 2005
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 20:52:30 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Bug Report
In-Reply-To: <000001c5a132$80bdb440$0300a8c0@danwaters>
Message-ID: <004c01c5a133$9d38da40$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

LOL.  There is no resolving this bug.  Access just shuts down.  Step through
the code and hit one specific line it just closes.  Not exactly something I
can fix.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 8:44 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Bug Report


Well - MS is really loosening up!  They won't charge you if it really does
turn out to be a bug.  I had to solve my bug myself for them to not charge
me!

Best of Luck!

Dan Waters

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 6:41 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Bug Report

The following is the response I got to my bug report:

Hello John, 
 
Thank you for contacting Microsoft Online Customer Service. 
 
I appreciate the time you have taken to provide us with the feedback. As a
Customer Service Representative, I can assist you with the support options
available with your Microsoft product. You can report bugs by postal mail to
the following address: 
 
Attn: Office Development Group
Microsoft Corporation
One Microsoft Way
Redmond, WA 98052
 
The letter should include a complete description of the bug including the
actions, software, and hardware associated with the bug and whether or not
it is consistently reproducible. 
 
You may also contact Microsoft Customer Service and speak with a support
professional about the issue and have a support case created. This method
will require you to utilize the standard options of support that are
available for your copy of Microsoft product initially. Once the support
professional is able to determine that the problem is a bug with the
software, they will not decrement the incident from warranty support or
account or issue a refund of any credit card charges if applicable. 
 
You may contact  Microsoft Developer Support Team at (800) 936-5800. They
are available 24 hours a day.  They will be able to assist you. 
 
John, I hope your issue gets resolved.
 
Thank you for using Microsoft products and services. 

Benoy
Microsoft Online Customer Service Representative

If you have any feedback about your Online Customer Service experience
please E-mail my manager Rahul Rajgopal at managers at microsoft.com
 
 

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/


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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Mon Aug 15 01:22:15 2005
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 23:22:15 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Bug Report
References: <004a01c5a12c$d61e9a90$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <02d301c5a161$ae37a870$6501a8c0@HAL9004>

I subscribed to the Action Pack as well this year.  Is there any advantage 
to subscribing every year?

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John W. Colby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 5:03 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Bug Report


> Because I am an action pack subscriber, and because the problem occurs 
> under
> OfficeXp and Windows XP received from them in the Action Pack, I have 2
> available support incidents free of charge, which I am using the first of
> for this bug report.  We shall see if I get it back.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
> http://folding.stanford.edu/
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby
> Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 7:53 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Bug Report
>
>
> LOL.  All you have to do is pay them money to tell them about their bugs 
> and
> you too can be on a first name basis.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
> http://folding.stanford.edu/
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
> Beach Access Software
> Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 7:51 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Bug Report
>
>
> You're on a first name basis with Benoy?  Not many of us have that kind of
> clout.
>
> Rocky
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "John W. Colby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 4:41 PM
> Subject: [AccessD] Bug Report
>
>
>> The following is the response I got to my bug report:
>>
>> Hello John,
>>
>> Thank you for contacting Microsoft Online Customer Service.
>>
>> I appreciate the time you have taken to provide us with the feedback.
>> As a Customer Service Representative, I can assist you with the
>> support options available with your Microsoft product. You can report
>> bugs by postal mail to the following address:
>>
>> Attn: Office Development Group
>> Microsoft Corporation
>> One Microsoft Way
>> Redmond, WA 98052
>>
>> The letter should include a complete description of the bug including
>> the actions, software, and hardware associated with the bug and
>> whether or not it is consistently reproducible.
>>
>> You may also contact Microsoft Customer Service and speak with a
>> support professional about the issue and have a support case created.
>> This method will require you to utilize the standard options of
>> support that are available for your copy of Microsoft product
>> initially. Once the support professional is able to determine that the
>> problem is a bug with the software, they will not decrement the
>> incident from warranty support or account or issue a refund of any
>> credit card charges if applicable.
>>
>> You may contact  Microsoft Developer Support Team at (800) 936-5800.
>> They are available 24 hours a day.  They will be able to assist you.
>>
>> John, I hope your issue gets resolved.
>>
>> Thank you for using Microsoft products and services.
>>
>> Benoy
>> Microsoft Online Customer Service Representative
>>
>> If you have any feedback about your Online Customer Service experience
>> please E-mail my manager Rahul Rajgopal at managers at microsoft.com
>>
>>
>>
>> John W. Colby
>> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>>
>> Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
>> http://folding.stanford.edu/
>>
>>
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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Mon Aug 15 01:23:23 2005
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 23:23:23 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Bug Report
References: <004c01c5a133$9d38da40$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <02da01c5a161$d6d2b540$6501a8c0@HAL9004>

I was away on vacation last week and missed the description of the bug. 
Could you repost the original?

Thanks.

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John W. Colby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 5:52 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Bug Report


> LOL.  There is no resolving this bug.  Access just shuts down.  Step 
> through
> the code and hit one specific line it just closes.  Not exactly something 
> I
> can fix.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
> http://folding.stanford.edu/
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
> Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 8:44 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Bug Report
>
>
> Well - MS is really loosening up!  They won't charge you if it really does
> turn out to be a bug.  I had to solve my bug myself for them to not charge
> me!
>
> Best of Luck!
>
> Dan Waters
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby
> Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 6:41 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: [AccessD] Bug Report
>
> The following is the response I got to my bug report:
>
> Hello John,
>
> Thank you for contacting Microsoft Online Customer Service.
>
> I appreciate the time you have taken to provide us with the feedback. As a
> Customer Service Representative, I can assist you with the support options
> available with your Microsoft product. You can report bugs by postal mail 
> to
> the following address:
>
> Attn: Office Development Group
> Microsoft Corporation
> One Microsoft Way
> Redmond, WA 98052
>
> The letter should include a complete description of the bug including the
> actions, software, and hardware associated with the bug and whether or not
> it is consistently reproducible.
>
> You may also contact Microsoft Customer Service and speak with a support
> professional about the issue and have a support case created. This method
> will require you to utilize the standard options of support that are
> available for your copy of Microsoft product initially. Once the support
> professional is able to determine that the problem is a bug with the
> software, they will not decrement the incident from warranty support or
> account or issue a refund of any credit card charges if applicable.
>
> You may contact  Microsoft Developer Support Team at (800) 936-5800. They
> are available 24 hours a day.  They will be able to assist you.
>
> John, I hope your issue gets resolved.
>
> Thank you for using Microsoft products and services.
>
> Benoy
> Microsoft Online Customer Service Representative
>
> If you have any feedback about your Online Customer Service experience
> please E-mail my manager Rahul Rajgopal at managers at microsoft.com
>
>
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
> http://folding.stanford.edu/
>
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From DElam at jenkens.com  Mon Aug 15 09:34:40 2005
From: DElam at jenkens.com (Elam, Debbie)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 09:34:40 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Upsize wizard MDB to SQL
Message-ID: <7B1961ED924D1A459E378C9B1BB22B4C0492CC71@natexch.jenkens.com>

The wizard is acceptable, but I have usually found that I need to almost
start from scratch.  The tables migrate beautifully, but the best way to
handle most everything else as far as data sources and pulling specific data
is different.  Concentrate on data handling, that is where the biggest
differences are.  Take advantage of triggers to handle hard data validation
rules, they are more robust than code in forms.  Do as much filtering as
possible on the server side.  Pass through queries can help with this a lot.

Debbie

-----Original Message-----
From: Johncliviger at aol.com [mailto:Johncliviger at aol.com] 
Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2005 6:13 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Upsize wizard MDB to SQL


Hi all
 
I've asked to migrate an Access 2002 BE to SQL 2000 server. Not having  done

this before and not wanting fans and brown stuff to meet. So I 'm looking
for 
a some documentation on this.
 
My initial view is to apply the upsize wizard to the BE and keep  the FE as 
it is and link it via odbc to SQL BE. 
 
Comments and pointers most welcome. 
 
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Aug 15 09:56:19 2005
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 10:56:19 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Bug Report
In-Reply-To: <02da01c5a161$d6d2b540$6501a8c0@HAL9004>
Message-ID: <001001c5a1a9$7eb5dd40$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

I did not post the bug description, however here is what I sent MS:

Dear Sirs,

I am a professional developer using Microsoft Access.  I have a specific
Access front end that has a particular (pretty complex) form  - tfrmClaim -
that when opened sometimes causes Access to close, no warning.  A little
background:

The issue happens both at my client's office and on my development machine
which is a laptop with all the pieces right on the machine.  The application
is a FE/BE split system, with an MDA holding an application framework
(written by me).  The application uses classes and Withevents (a LOT).

My client uses Office 2K.  They have about 40-50 workstations running a
pretty good mix of Windows 98, Windows 2K and Windows XP.  AFAICT the issue
does not occur on Win98 but does occur on Win2K and WinXP.

The system is a call center for the disability insurance industry.  They
search for a claimant, and when found open a very complex form that displays
all aspects of the claim.  This claim form has about 10 tabs, some of which
are hidden.  The tabs load subforms when clicked on etc to reduce loading
time.  All of that information is just background for you to understand the
situation.  

The issue is that the OnOpen event occasionally causes the entire database
to shut down, no warning, no page fault screen nothing.  Just gone.  

I have been able to insert debug statements and find where the shutdown
occurs.  It occurs in the same location every time that the shutdown occurs,
at least until you "do something" (developer code wise).  Unfortunately
because it does not happen every time, it is not possible to step through
the code and watch it close, but it is possible to nail it down to a
specific line of code whenever it does shutdown.

In attempting to troubleshoot this issue, I have done all of the typical
decompile / compact / repair, open a new database and import all the
objects, etc.  One day I spent hours working on it, and watched the shutdown
"move" through the OnOpen event until I finally "pushed it out the end sub"
and it started closing back in the form that opens this complex form (the
search result form) - when control returned to that sub.  I thought I had it
nailed at that point but no, awhile later it was back to shutting down in
the OnCurrent of the tfrmClaim.

My client thinks it has something to do with XPSP3, although it does occur
(much less frequently) on other Oses.  It was happening a LOT on the XP SP3
machines, they backed out the SP3 and the occurrence dropped radically -
from every 30 minutes to once a day or so.  My dev machine (laptop) BTW is
XP SP3 and it happens a lot.  I have not attempted to back out the SP3 and
don't really want to do so.  Also, I have OfficeXP on my dev machine and the
bug also occurs under OfficeXP as well.

The problem will occur on the first search, or the 3rd search or the 10th
search, but rarely less often than every 10 searches - at least on my dev
machine.  It does not appear to be data dependent, i.e. I see no pattern as
to which record(s) triggers the shutdown.

BTW, I have "commented out" my application framework such that most of the
functionality of the MDA is not being run - just trying to narrow down the
issue.  There are about a dozen classes that load in OnOpen of the form,
classes that use WithEvents to handle groups of controls and cause specific
interactions to occur.  I have not yet commented all of them out, although
if I did there would be no code left to run.  ;-)

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
Beach Access Software
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 2:23 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Bug Report


I was away on vacation last week and missed the description of the bug. 
Could you repost the original?

Thanks.

Rocky




From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Aug 15 10:26:40 2005
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 08:26:40 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Bug Report
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86873BAB@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Read the EULA, Rocky.  If you DON'T subscribe, then you agree to remove
all the software from your machine.  That's the reason I don't use the
action pack.

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] 
Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 11:22 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Bug Report


I subscribed to the Action Pack as well this year.  Is there any
advantage 
to subscribing every year?

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John W. Colby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 5:03 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Bug Report


> Because I am an action pack subscriber, and because the problem occurs
> under
> OfficeXp and Windows XP received from them in the Action Pack, I have
2
> available support incidents free of charge, which I am using the first
of
> for this bug report.  We shall see if I get it back.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause: 
> http://folding.stanford.edu/
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. 
> Colby
> Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 7:53 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Bug Report
>
>
> LOL.  All you have to do is pay them money to tell them about their 
> bugs
> and
> you too can be on a first name basis.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause: 
> http://folding.stanford.edu/
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky 
> Smolin - Beach Access Software
> Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 7:51 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Bug Report
>
>
> You're on a first name basis with Benoy?  Not many of us have that 
> kind of clout.
>
> Rocky
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John W. Colby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 4:41 PM
> Subject: [AccessD] Bug Report
>
>
>> The following is the response I got to my bug report:
>>
>> Hello John,
>>
>> Thank you for contacting Microsoft Online Customer Service.
>>
>> I appreciate the time you have taken to provide us with the feedback.

>> As a Customer Service Representative, I can assist you with the 
>> support options available with your Microsoft product. You can report

>> bugs by postal mail to the following address:
>>
>> Attn: Office Development Group
>> Microsoft Corporation
>> One Microsoft Way
>> Redmond, WA 98052
>>
>> The letter should include a complete description of the bug including

>> the actions, software, and hardware associated with the bug and 
>> whether or not it is consistently reproducible.
>>
>> You may also contact Microsoft Customer Service and speak with a 
>> support professional about the issue and have a support case created.

>> This method will require you to utilize the standard options of 
>> support that are available for your copy of Microsoft product 
>> initially. Once the support professional is able to determine that 
>> the problem is a bug with the software, they will not decrement the 
>> incident from warranty support or account or issue a refund of any 
>> credit card charges if applicable.
>>
>> You may contact  Microsoft Developer Support Team at (800) 936-5800. 
>> They are available 24 hours a day.  They will be able to assist you.
>>
>> John, I hope your issue gets resolved.
>>
>> Thank you for using Microsoft products and services.
>>
>> Benoy
>> Microsoft Online Customer Service Representative
>>
>> If you have any feedback about your Online Customer Service 
>> experience please E-mail my manager Rahul Rajgopal at 
>> managers at microsoft.com
>>
>>
>>
>> John W. Colby
>> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>>
>> Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause: 
>> http://folding.stanford.edu/
>>
>>
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Aug 15 10:29:31 2005
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 08:29:31 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Bug Report
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86873BAC@infoserver01.infostat.local>

I saw behavior like that in one of my apps once, John.  I finally
tracked it down to mixing DAO and ADO, that is, a DAO code block calling
out to an ADO block, or vice versa.  I scrubbed my code thoroughly to
prevent said circumstance and the problem went away.  One of the steps I
took was to rename my routines so that I could tell at a glance whether
they were ADO or DAO.

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 5:52 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Bug Report


LOL.  There is no resolving this bug.  Access just shuts down.  Step
through the code and hit one specific line it just closes.  Not exactly
something I can fix.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 8:44 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Bug Report


Well - MS is really loosening up!  They won't charge you if it really
does turn out to be a bug.  I had to solve my bug myself for them to not
charge me!

Best of Luck!

Dan Waters

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 6:41 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Bug Report

The following is the response I got to my bug report:

Hello John, 
 
Thank you for contacting Microsoft Online Customer Service. 
 
I appreciate the time you have taken to provide us with the feedback. As
a Customer Service Representative, I can assist you with the support
options available with your Microsoft product. You can report bugs by
postal mail to the following address: 
 
Attn: Office Development Group
Microsoft Corporation
One Microsoft Way
Redmond, WA 98052
 
The letter should include a complete description of the bug including
the actions, software, and hardware associated with the bug and whether
or not it is consistently reproducible. 
 
You may also contact Microsoft Customer Service and speak with a support
professional about the issue and have a support case created. This
method will require you to utilize the standard options of support that
are available for your copy of Microsoft product initially. Once the
support professional is able to determine that the problem is a bug with
the software, they will not decrement the incident from warranty support
or account or issue a refund of any credit card charges if applicable. 
 
You may contact  Microsoft Developer Support Team at (800) 936-5800.
They are available 24 hours a day.  They will be able to assist you. 
 
John, I hope your issue gets resolved.
 
Thank you for using Microsoft products and services. 

Benoy
Microsoft Online Customer Service Representative

If you have any feedback about your Online Customer Service experience
please E-mail my manager Rahul Rajgopal at managers at microsoft.com
 
 

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Mon Aug 15 10:36:41 2005
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 08:36:41 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Bug Report
References: <001001c5a1a9$7eb5dd40$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <03d101c5a1af$22966ec0$6501a8c0@HAL9004>

Interesting.  What's your speculation on where it's happening?  In the 
interpretation of your classes?  They obviously have no clue and cannot 
track it down without getting your app and running it themselves.  At first 
it behaves like a bad NIC - I've had apps go south with corruptions and 
shutdowns and traced it to a cheap NIC on the network - but you're running 
this standalone, yes?

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John W. Colby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 7:56 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Bug Report


>I did not post the bug description, however here is what I sent MS:
>
> Dear Sirs,
>
> I am a professional developer using Microsoft Access.  I have a specific
> Access front end that has a particular (pretty complex) form  - 
> tfrmClaim -
> that when opened sometimes causes Access to close, no warning.  A little
> background:
>
> The issue happens both at my client's office and on my development machine
> which is a laptop with all the pieces right on the machine.  The 
> application
> is a FE/BE split system, with an MDA holding an application framework
> (written by me).  The application uses classes and Withevents (a LOT).
>
> My client uses Office 2K.  They have about 40-50 workstations running a
> pretty good mix of Windows 98, Windows 2K and Windows XP.  AFAICT the 
> issue
> does not occur on Win98 but does occur on Win2K and WinXP.
>
> The system is a call center for the disability insurance industry.  They
> search for a claimant, and when found open a very complex form that 
> displays
> all aspects of the claim.  This claim form has about 10 tabs, some of 
> which
> are hidden.  The tabs load subforms when clicked on etc to reduce loading
> time.  All of that information is just background for you to understand 
> the
> situation.
>
> The issue is that the OnOpen event occasionally causes the entire database
> to shut down, no warning, no page fault screen nothing.  Just gone.
>
> I have been able to insert debug statements and find where the shutdown
> occurs.  It occurs in the same location every time that the shutdown 
> occurs,
> at least until you "do something" (developer code wise).  Unfortunately
> because it does not happen every time, it is not possible to step through
> the code and watch it close, but it is possible to nail it down to a
> specific line of code whenever it does shutdown.
>
> In attempting to troubleshoot this issue, I have done all of the typical
> decompile / compact / repair, open a new database and import all the
> objects, etc.  One day I spent hours working on it, and watched the 
> shutdown
> "move" through the OnOpen event until I finally "pushed it out the end 
> sub"
> and it started closing back in the form that opens this complex form (the
> search result form) - when control returned to that sub.  I thought I had 
> it
> nailed at that point but no, awhile later it was back to shutting down in
> the OnCurrent of the tfrmClaim.
>
> My client thinks it has something to do with XPSP3, although it does occur
> (much less frequently) on other Oses.  It was happening a LOT on the XP 
> SP3
> machines, they backed out the SP3 and the occurrence dropped radically -
> from every 30 minutes to once a day or so.  My dev machine (laptop) BTW is
> XP SP3 and it happens a lot.  I have not attempted to back out the SP3 and
> don't really want to do so.  Also, I have OfficeXP on my dev machine and 
> the
> bug also occurs under OfficeXP as well.
>
> The problem will occur on the first search, or the 3rd search or the 10th
> search, but rarely less often than every 10 searches - at least on my dev
> machine.  It does not appear to be data dependent, i.e. I see no pattern 
> as
> to which record(s) triggers the shutdown.
>
> BTW, I have "commented out" my application framework such that most of the
> functionality of the MDA is not being run - just trying to narrow down the
> issue.  There are about a dozen classes that load in OnOpen of the form,
> classes that use WithEvents to handle groups of controls and cause 
> specific
> interactions to occur.  I have not yet commented all of them out, although
> if I did there would be no code left to run.  ;-)
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
> http://folding.stanford.edu/
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
> Beach Access Software
> Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 2:23 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Bug Report
>
>
> I was away on vacation last week and missed the description of the bug.
> Could you repost the original?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Rocky
>
>
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Aug 15 10:46:56 2005
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 08:46:56 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Clear Debug Window Programmatically
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8689A7CD@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Yes, Arthur, you did specify programmatically.  However, since there
isn't any direct way to do it programmatically and you left out the
version information, I answered a different question.  I think you would
have to use code to switch to the immediate window, select all and then
perhaps use a SendKeys {Enter} to remove the existing text.

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Arthur Fuller [mailto:artful at rogers.com] 
Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2005 7:12 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Clear Debug Window Programmatically


I thought that I had explained why I want to do it programmatically, but
in case I didn't or it was missed, I shall repeat: I sprinkle my code
with liberal doses of Debug.Print statements, particularly when
debugging or exploring new corners. I might put a breakpoint on several
statements at the end of a string of such Debug.Print statements. The
window rapidly fills up. I want to be able to do housecleaning at
certain points, such that the debug window contains only the results
since my last housecleaning.

It's not a big deal. I can survive as I have been doing. I simply
wondered whether there was a statement equivalent to clearing the debug
window.

Arthur

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: August 9, 2005 4:35 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Clear Debug Window Programmatically

I realize that you asked for a programmatic method.  However, since the
debug window is only available in the VBE, I didn't see any purpose in a
programmatic method ... In XP and above, of course. <g>  You didn't
indicate the version or WHY you needed it, so it's your own fault if we
wandered off in another direction! LOL

Charlotte Foust

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Aug 15 10:53:08 2005
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 11:53:08 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Bug Report
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86873BAC@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <001501c5a1b1$6e634510$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

Was it the actual line that called the other block?  This one is just "any
old line of code".  It always occurs in the OnOpen of the form, where I am
initializing classes, etc.  By setting up debug.Print statements through the
OnOpen I am able to nail down what exact line of code it is, but it doesn't
occur every time the form opens so it is a pita to step through to actually
watch the close happen.  I have caused the close to move around however,
even "pushing it out the end" of the OnOpen back into the function that
opens the form.  Truly bizarre.

I have seen this kind of stuff before however.  Back when I was working on
C2DbFrameWiz (the error handler insertion wizard) I would get instances
where the code that inserted the code into a module would just cause a
close.  It was very similar, I could "track it down" to a single line of
code.  I could go up to the previous line, type in the same code character
for character, then delete the line causing the code and the problem would
"go away" for awhile.  OTOH, If I cut the line out to the paste buffer and
pasted it back in again, I would still have the issue.  

I am convinced that the source code that you see on the screen has other
things in the text stream, things that are not visible to you, the
developer.  Kind of like the old Word Perfect "show codes" where you would
cause other formatting stuff to appear.  I am convinced that the text stream
gets something embedded in it and once that something is in the string, you
are hosed.

In this case (my current application) I have gone so far as to import the
entire FE into a new blank MDB and the problem still exists.  I do not get
the "corrupted form" kind of thing that occurs with the A2K / AXP vb dll
version issue, i.e. the form module is not "corrupted" at least not
corrupted so badly that it won't export.

This is a bizarre one and very irritating to my users as you might imagine.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 11:30 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Bug Report


I saw behavior like that in one of my apps once, John.  I finally tracked it
down to mixing DAO and ADO, that is, a DAO code block calling out to an ADO
block, or vice versa.  I scrubbed my code thoroughly to prevent said
circumstance and the problem went away.  One of the steps I took was to
rename my routines so that I could tell at a glance whether they were ADO or
DAO.

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 5:52 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Bug Report


LOL.  There is no resolving this bug.  Access just shuts down.  Step through
the code and hit one specific line it just closes.  Not exactly something I
can fix.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 8:44 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Bug Report


Well - MS is really loosening up!  They won't charge you if it really does
turn out to be a bug.  I had to solve my bug myself for them to not charge
me!

Best of Luck!

Dan Waters

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 6:41 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Bug Report

The following is the response I got to my bug report:

Hello John, 
 
Thank you for contacting Microsoft Online Customer Service. 
 
I appreciate the time you have taken to provide us with the feedback. As a
Customer Service Representative, I can assist you with the support options
available with your Microsoft product. You can report bugs by postal mail to
the following address: 
 
Attn: Office Development Group
Microsoft Corporation
One Microsoft Way
Redmond, WA 98052
 
The letter should include a complete description of the bug including the
actions, software, and hardware associated with the bug and whether or not
it is consistently reproducible. 
 
You may also contact Microsoft Customer Service and speak with a support
professional about the issue and have a support case created. This method
will require you to utilize the standard options of support that are
available for your copy of Microsoft product initially. Once the support
professional is able to determine that the problem is a bug with the
software, they will not decrement the incident from warranty support or
account or issue a refund of any credit card charges if applicable. 
 
You may contact  Microsoft Developer Support Team at (800) 936-5800. They
are available 24 hours a day.  They will be able to assist you. 
 
John, I hope your issue gets resolved.
 
Thank you for using Microsoft products and services. 

Benoy
Microsoft Online Customer Service Representative

If you have any feedback about your Online Customer Service experience
please E-mail my manager Rahul Rajgopal at managers at microsoft.com
 
 

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Aug 15 10:59:25 2005
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 08:59:25 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Clear Debug Window Programmatically
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86873BAE@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Arthur,

Here's a link to an older VB routine for this:
http://www.vb-helper.com/howto_clear_debug_window.html
And here's one in VBA, but it requires the extensibility library to
reference the VBE:
http://chrisrae.com/vba/routines/deletetextindebugwindow2.html

Charlotte


-----Original Message-----
From: Arthur Fuller [mailto:artful at rogers.com] 
Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2005 7:12 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Clear Debug Window Programmatically


I thought that I had explained why I want to do it programmatically, but
in case I didn't or it was missed, I shall repeat: I sprinkle my code
with liberal doses of Debug.Print statements, particularly when
debugging or exploring new corners. I might put a breakpoint on several
statements at the end of a string of such Debug.Print statements. The
window rapidly fills up. I want to be able to do housecleaning at
certain points, such that the debug window contains only the results
since my last housecleaning.

It's not a big deal. I can survive as I have been doing. I simply
wondered whether there was a statement equivalent to clearing the debug
window.

Arthur

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: August 9, 2005 4:35 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Clear Debug Window Programmatically

I realize that you asked for a programmatic method.  However, since the
debug window is only available in the VBE, I didn't see any purpose in a
programmatic method ... In XP and above, of course. <g>  You didn't
indicate the version or WHY you needed it, so it's your own fault if we
wandered off in another direction! LOL

Charlotte Foust

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Aug 15 11:03:34 2005
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 09:03:34 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Bug Report
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86873BAF@infoserver01.infostat.local>

If you could track it down to a particular line, you're very thorough.
I couldn't get that close, and I was never sure whether the crash
happened on the call out or when the other routine accepted the call,
since the whole application evaporated and left me looking at the
Windows desktop when it happened.  In my case, the antithetical routine
wasn't necessarily being called directly, it could be several layers
down ... And I had a deadline! LOL

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 8:53 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Bug Report


Was it the actual line that called the other block?  This one is just
"any old line of code".  It always occurs in the OnOpen of the form,
where I am initializing classes, etc.  By setting up debug.Print
statements through the OnOpen I am able to nail down what exact line of
code it is, but it doesn't occur every time the form opens so it is a
pita to step through to actually watch the close happen.  I have caused
the close to move around however, even "pushing it out the end" of the
OnOpen back into the function that opens the form.  Truly bizarre.

I have seen this kind of stuff before however.  Back when I was working
on C2DbFrameWiz (the error handler insertion wizard) I would get
instances where the code that inserted the code into a module would just
cause a close.  It was very similar, I could "track it down" to a single
line of code.  I could go up to the previous line, type in the same code
character for character, then delete the line causing the code and the
problem would "go away" for awhile.  OTOH, If I cut the line out to the
paste buffer and pasted it back in again, I would still have the issue.


I am convinced that the source code that you see on the screen has other
things in the text stream, things that are not visible to you, the
developer.  Kind of like the old Word Perfect "show codes" where you
would cause other formatting stuff to appear.  I am convinced that the
text stream gets something embedded in it and once that something is in
the string, you are hosed.

In this case (my current application) I have gone so far as to import
the entire FE into a new blank MDB and the problem still exists.  I do
not get the "corrupted form" kind of thing that occurs with the A2K /
AXP vb dll version issue, i.e. the form module is not "corrupted" at
least not corrupted so badly that it won't export.

This is a bizarre one and very irritating to my users as you might
imagine.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 11:30 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Bug Report


I saw behavior like that in one of my apps once, John.  I finally
tracked it down to mixing DAO and ADO, that is, a DAO code block calling
out to an ADO block, or vice versa.  I scrubbed my code thoroughly to
prevent said circumstance and the problem went away.  One of the steps I
took was to rename my routines so that I could tell at a glance whether
they were ADO or DAO.

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 5:52 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Bug Report


LOL.  There is no resolving this bug.  Access just shuts down.  Step
through the code and hit one specific line it just closes.  Not exactly
something I can fix.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 8:44 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Bug Report


Well - MS is really loosening up!  They won't charge you if it really
does turn out to be a bug.  I had to solve my bug myself for them to not
charge me!

Best of Luck!

Dan Waters

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 6:41 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Bug Report

The following is the response I got to my bug report:

Hello John, 
 
Thank you for contacting Microsoft Online Customer Service. 
 
I appreciate the time you have taken to provide us with the feedback. As
a Customer Service Representative, I can assist you with the support
options available with your Microsoft product. You can report bugs by
postal mail to the following address: 
 
Attn: Office Development Group
Microsoft Corporation
One Microsoft Way
Redmond, WA 98052
 
The letter should include a complete description of the bug including
the actions, software, and hardware associated with the bug and whether
or not it is consistently reproducible. 
 
You may also contact Microsoft Customer Service and speak with a support
professional about the issue and have a support case created. This
method will require you to utilize the standard options of support that
are available for your copy of Microsoft product initially. Once the
support professional is able to determine that the problem is a bug with
the software, they will not decrement the incident from warranty support
or account or issue a refund of any credit card charges if applicable. 
 
You may contact  Microsoft Developer Support Team at (800) 936-5800.
They are available 24 hours a day.  They will be able to assist you. 
 
John, I hope your issue gets resolved.
 
Thank you for using Microsoft products and services. 

Benoy
Microsoft Online Customer Service Representative

If you have any feedback about your Online Customer Service experience
please E-mail my manager Rahul Rajgopal at managers at microsoft.com
 
 

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From jimdettman at earthlink.net  Mon Aug 15 11:08:51 2005
From: jimdettman at earthlink.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 12:08:51 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Bug Report
In-Reply-To: <001501c5a1b1$6e634510$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <NDEALJOEGMMPCDKIFGNFKEHEEKAA.jimdettman@earthlink.net>

John,

  I've seen what your seeing.  I've also had cases where code breaks on a
line where a breakpoint was but is no longer after the code has been changed
(lines inserted or deleted).  I've even had it break on *blank* lines in
some cases<g>.  I can push the lines around as you say and watch things
change.

<<I am convinced that the source code that you see on the screen has other
things in the text stream, things that are not visible to you, the
developer. >>

  Basically it boils down to the fact that the source code is out of synch
with the p-code or as your saying, the p-code is hosed.  Since they are
stored separately, it is easy for this to happen.

 Good time to use /decompile<g>.

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 11:53 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Bug Report


Was it the actual line that called the other block?  This one is just "any
old line of code".  It always occurs in the OnOpen of the form, where I am
initializing classes, etc.  By setting up debug.Print statements through the
OnOpen I am able to nail down what exact line of code it is, but it doesn't
occur every time the form opens so it is a pita to step through to actually
watch the close happen.  I have caused the close to move around however,
even "pushing it out the end" of the OnOpen back into the function that
opens the form.  Truly bizarre.

I have seen this kind of stuff before however.  Back when I was working on
C2DbFrameWiz (the error handler insertion wizard) I would get instances
where the code that inserted the code into a module would just cause a
close.  It was very similar, I could "track it down" to a single line of
code.  I could go up to the previous line, type in the same code character
for character, then delete the line causing the code and the problem would
"go away" for awhile.  OTOH, If I cut the line out to the paste buffer and
pasted it back in again, I would still have the issue.

I am convinced that the source code that you see on the screen has other
things in the text stream, things that are not visible to you, the
developer.  Kind of like the old Word Perfect "show codes" where you would
cause other formatting stuff to appear.  I am convinced that the text stream
gets something embedded in it and once that something is in the string, you
are hosed.

In this case (my current application) I have gone so far as to import the
entire FE into a new blank MDB and the problem still exists.  I do not get
the "corrupted form" kind of thing that occurs with the A2K / AXP vb dll
version issue, i.e. the form module is not "corrupted" at least not
corrupted so badly that it won't export.

This is a bizarre one and very irritating to my users as you might imagine.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

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http://folding.stanford.edu/

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 11:30 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Bug Report


I saw behavior like that in one of my apps once, John.  I finally tracked it
down to mixing DAO and ADO, that is, a DAO code block calling out to an ADO
block, or vice versa.  I scrubbed my code thoroughly to prevent said
circumstance and the problem went away.  One of the steps I took was to
rename my routines so that I could tell at a glance whether they were ADO or
DAO.

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 5:52 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Bug Report


LOL.  There is no resolving this bug.  Access just shuts down.  Step through
the code and hit one specific line it just closes.  Not exactly something I
can fix.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 8:44 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Bug Report


Well - MS is really loosening up!  They won't charge you if it really does
turn out to be a bug.  I had to solve my bug myself for them to not charge
me!

Best of Luck!

Dan Waters

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 6:41 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Bug Report

The following is the response I got to my bug report:

Hello John,

Thank you for contacting Microsoft Online Customer Service.

I appreciate the time you have taken to provide us with the feedback. As a
Customer Service Representative, I can assist you with the support options
available with your Microsoft product. You can report bugs by postal mail to
the following address:

Attn: Office Development Group
Microsoft Corporation
One Microsoft Way
Redmond, WA 98052

The letter should include a complete description of the bug including the
actions, software, and hardware associated with the bug and whether or not
it is consistently reproducible.

You may also contact Microsoft Customer Service and speak with a support
professional about the issue and have a support case created. This method
will require you to utilize the standard options of support that are
available for your copy of Microsoft product initially. Once the support
professional is able to determine that the problem is a bug with the
software, they will not decrement the incident from warranty support or
account or issue a refund of any credit card charges if applicable.

You may contact  Microsoft Developer Support Team at (800) 936-5800. They
are available 24 hours a day.  They will be able to assist you.

John, I hope your issue gets resolved.

Thank you for using Microsoft products and services.

Benoy
Microsoft Online Customer Service Representative

If you have any feedback about your Online Customer Service experience
please E-mail my manager Rahul Rajgopal at managers at microsoft.com



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From Johncliviger at aol.com  Mon Aug 15 11:10:35 2005
From: Johncliviger at aol.com (Johncliviger at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 12:10:35 EDT
Subject: [AccessD] Upsize wizard MDB to SQL
Message-ID: <cf.2ee31f12.3032187b@aol.com>

Thanks Debbie for your comments
 
johnc


From bchacc at san.rr.com  Mon Aug 15 11:13:38 2005
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 09:13:38 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Bug Report
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86873BAB@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <03da01c5a1b4$4c166b10$6501a8c0@HAL9004>

D'oh!

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 8:26 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Bug Report


> Read the EULA, Rocky.  If you DON'T subscribe, then you agree to remove
> all the software from your machine.  That's the reason I don't use the
> action pack.
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 11:22 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Bug Report
>
>
> I subscribed to the Action Pack as well this year.  Is there any
> advantage
> to subscribing every year?
>
> Rocky
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "John W. Colby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 5:03 PM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Bug Report
>
>
>> Because I am an action pack subscriber, and because the problem occurs
>> under
>> OfficeXp and Windows XP received from them in the Action Pack, I have
> 2
>> available support incidents free of charge, which I am using the first
> of
>> for this bug report.  We shall see if I get it back.
>>
>> John W. Colby
>> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>>
>> Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
>> http://folding.stanford.edu/
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W.
>> Colby
>> Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 7:53 PM
>> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Bug Report
>>
>>
>> LOL.  All you have to do is pay them money to tell them about their
>> bugs
>> and
>> you too can be on a first name basis.
>>
>> John W. Colby
>> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>>
>> Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
>> http://folding.stanford.edu/
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky
>> Smolin - Beach Access Software
>> Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 7:51 PM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Bug Report
>>
>>
>> You're on a first name basis with Benoy?  Not many of us have that
>> kind of clout.
>>
>> Rocky
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "John W. Colby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
>> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
>> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 4:41 PM
>> Subject: [AccessD] Bug Report
>>
>>
>>> The following is the response I got to my bug report:
>>>
>>> Hello John,
>>>
>>> Thank you for contacting Microsoft Online Customer Service.
>>>
>>> I appreciate the time you have taken to provide us with the feedback.
>
>>> As a Customer Service Representative, I can assist you with the
>>> support options available with your Microsoft product. You can report
>
>>> bugs by postal mail to the following address:
>>>
>>> Attn: Office Development Group
>>> Microsoft Corporation
>>> One Microsoft Way
>>> Redmond, WA 98052
>>>
>>> The letter should include a complete description of the bug including
>
>>> the actions, software, and hardware associated with the bug and
>>> whether or not it is consistently reproducible.
>>>
>>> You may also contact Microsoft Customer Service and speak with a
>>> support professional about the issue and have a support case created.
>
>>> This method will require you to utilize the standard options of
>>> support that are available for your copy of Microsoft product
>>> initially. Once the support professional is able to determine that
>>> the problem is a bug with the software, they will not decrement the
>>> incident from warranty support or account or issue a refund of any
>>> credit card charges if applicable.
>>>
>>> You may contact  Microsoft Developer Support Team at (800) 936-5800.
>>> They are available 24 hours a day.  They will be able to assist you.
>>>
>>> John, I hope your issue gets resolved.
>>>
>>> Thank you for using Microsoft products and services.
>>>
>>> Benoy
>>> Microsoft Online Customer Service Representative
>>>
>>> If you have any feedback about your Online Customer Service
>>> experience please E-mail my manager Rahul Rajgopal at
>>> managers at microsoft.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Aug 15 11:19:20 2005
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 12:19:20 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Bug Report
In-Reply-To: <NDEALJOEGMMPCDKIFGNFKEHEEKAA.jimdettman@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <001601c5a1b5$176c1940$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

>I've also had cases where code breaks on a line where a breakpoint was but
is no longer after the code has been changed (lines inserted or deleted).

Yea, I've seen this too.  Breaks even though the breakbpoint was removed.  I
think it is the same issue, i.e. "invisible stuff" in the source code that
is not properly stripped out.  

Unfortunately /decompile does not help in this case.  All that /decompile
does is throw out the pcode stream forcing a recompile of the entire source
code stream.  If the source stream is bad then the next compile will just
recreate the bad pcode.

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 12:09 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Bug Report


John,

  I've seen what your seeing.  I've also had cases where code breaks on a
line where a breakpoint was but is no longer after the code has been changed
(lines inserted or deleted).  I've even had it break on *blank* lines in
some cases<g>.  I can push the lines around as you say and watch things
change.

<<I am convinced that the source code that you see on the screen has other
things in the text stream, things that are not visible to you, the
developer. >>

  Basically it boils down to the fact that the source code is out of synch
with the p-code or as your saying, the p-code is hosed.  Since they are
stored separately, it is easy for this to happen.

 Good time to use /decompile<g>.

Jim.

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 11:53 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Bug Report


Was it the actual line that called the other block?  This one is just "any
old line of code".  It always occurs in the OnOpen of the form, where I am
initializing classes, etc.  By setting up debug.Print statements through the
OnOpen I am able to nail down what exact line of code it is, but it doesn't
occur every time the form opens so it is a pita to step through to actually
watch the close happen.  I have caused the close to move around however,
even "pushing it out the end" of the OnOpen back into the function that
opens the form.  Truly bizarre.

I have seen this kind of stuff before however.  Back when I was working on
C2DbFrameWiz (the error handler insertion wizard) I would get instances
where the code that inserted the code into a module would just cause a
close.  It was very similar, I could "track it down" to a single line of
code.  I could go up to the previous line, type in the same code character
for character, then delete the line causing the code and the problem would
"go away" for awhile.  OTOH, If I cut the line out to the paste buffer and
pasted it back in again, I would still have the issue.

I am convinced that the source code that you see on the screen has other
things in the text stream, things that are not visible to you, the
developer.  Kind of like the old Word Perfect "show codes" where you would
cause other formatting stuff to appear.  I am convinced that the text stream
gets something embedded in it and once that something is in the string, you
are hosed.

In this case (my current application) I have gone so far as to import the
entire FE into a new blank MDB and the problem still exists.  I do not get
the "corrupted form" kind of thing that occurs with the A2K / AXP vb dll
version issue, i.e. the form module is not "corrupted" at least not
corrupted so badly that it won't export.

This is a bizarre one and very irritating to my users as you might imagine.

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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 11:30 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Bug Report


I saw behavior like that in one of my apps once, John.  I finally tracked it
down to mixing DAO and ADO, that is, a DAO code block calling out to an ADO
block, or vice versa.  I scrubbed my code thoroughly to prevent said
circumstance and the problem went away.  One of the steps I took was to
rename my routines so that I could tell at a glance whether they were ADO or
DAO.

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 5:52 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Bug Report


LOL.  There is no resolving this bug.  Access just shuts down.  Step through
the code and hit one specific line it just closes.  Not exactly something I
can fix.

John W. Colby
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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 8:44 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Bug Report


Well - MS is really loosening up!  They won't charge you if it really does
turn out to be a bug.  I had to solve my bug myself for them to not charge
me!

Best of Luck!

Dan Waters

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 6:41 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Bug Report

The following is the response I got to my bug report:

Hello John,

Thank you for contacting Microsoft Online Customer Service.

I appreciate the time you have taken to provide us with the feedback. As a
Customer Service Representative, I can assist you with the support options
available with your Microsoft product. You can report bugs by postal mail to
the following address:

Attn: Office Development Group
Microsoft Corporation
One Microsoft Way
Redmond, WA 98052

The letter should include a complete description of the bug including the
actions, software, and hardware associated with the bug and whether or not
it is consistently reproducible.

You may also contact Microsoft Customer Service and speak with a support
professional about the issue and have a support case created. This method
will require you to utilize the standard options of support that are
available for your copy of Microsoft product initially. Once the support
professional is able to determine that the problem is a bug with the
software, they will not decrement the incident from warranty support or
account or issue a refund of any credit card charges if applicable.

You may contact  Microsoft Developer Support Team at (800) 936-5800. They
are available 24 hours a day.  They will be able to assist you.

John, I hope your issue gets resolved.

Thank you for using Microsoft products and services.

Benoy
Microsoft Online Customer Service Representative

If you have any feedback about your Online Customer Service experience
please E-mail my manager Rahul Rajgopal at managers at microsoft.com



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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Aug 15 11:24:36 2005
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 12:24:36 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Bug Report
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86873BAB@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <001701c5a1b5$d3cf7c30$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

OTOH, how much would it cost to buy 10 licenses to Windows XP Pro, OfficeXP
Pro, and SQL Server with 10 CALs?  I think that paying 300 / year is
waaaaaaay cheaper than paying all of those licenses, even if you have to
subscribe for many years.  If you use any of the other programs in the
Action pack, the balance tips even further towards the Action Pack side.

I have 6 machines in my Home Office, all of which have Windows XP Pro.  All
have OfficeXP Pro installed, although only 3 really need it.  Three have SQL
Server installed although only one really needs it.  My dev work could use
the free version.  

Anyway, it made sense for me.

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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 11:27 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Bug Report


Read the EULA, Rocky.  If you DON'T subscribe, then you agree to remove all
the software from your machine.  That's the reason I don't use the action
pack.

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] 
Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 11:22 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Bug Report


I subscribed to the Action Pack as well this year.  Is there any advantage 
to subscribing every year?

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John W. Colby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 5:03 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Bug Report


> Because I am an action pack subscriber, and because the problem occurs 
> under OfficeXp and Windows XP received from them in the Action Pack, I 
> have
2
> available support incidents free of charge, which I am using the first
of
> for this bug report.  We shall see if I get it back.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W.
> Colby
> Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 7:53 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Bug Report
>
>
> LOL.  All you have to do is pay them money to tell them about their
> bugs
> and
> you too can be on a first name basis.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky
> Smolin - Beach Access Software
> Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 7:51 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Bug Report
>
>
> You're on a first name basis with Benoy?  Not many of us have that
> kind of clout.
>
> Rocky
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John W. Colby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 4:41 PM
> Subject: [AccessD] Bug Report
>
>
>> The following is the response I got to my bug report:
>>
>> Hello John,
>>
>> Thank you for contacting Microsoft Online Customer Service.
>>
>> I appreciate the time you have taken to provide us with the feedback.

>> As a Customer Service Representative, I can assist you with the
>> support options available with your Microsoft product. You can report

>> bugs by postal mail to the following address:
>>
>> Attn: Office Development Group
>> Microsoft Corporation
>> One Microsoft Way
>> Redmond, WA 98052
>>
>> The letter should include a complete description of the bug including

>> the actions, software, and hardware associated with the bug and
>> whether or not it is consistently reproducible.
>>
>> You may also contact Microsoft Customer Service and speak with a
>> support professional about the issue and have a support case created.

>> This method will require you to utilize the standard options of
>> support that are available for your copy of Microsoft product 
>> initially. Once the support professional is able to determine that 
>> the problem is a bug with the software, they will not decrement the 
>> incident from warranty support or account or issue a refund of any 
>> credit card charges if applicable.
>>
>> You may contact  Microsoft Developer Support Team at (800) 936-5800.
>> They are available 24 hours a day.  They will be able to assist you.
>>
>> John, I hope your issue gets resolved.
>>
>> Thank you for using Microsoft products and services.
>>
>> Benoy
>> Microsoft Online Customer Service Representative
>>
>> If you have any feedback about your Online Customer Service
>> experience please E-mail my manager Rahul Rajgopal at 
>> managers at microsoft.com
>>
>>
>>
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>>
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Aug 15 11:29:26 2005
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 12:29:26 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Bug Report
In-Reply-To: <03d101c5a1af$22966ec0$6501a8c0@HAL9004>
Message-ID: <001801c5a1b6$80e3a6d0$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

Rocky, 

This is indeed fascinating.  I am at a loss on this one.  I am no
lightweight at this stuff and I just can't figure it out.  I know that the
Windows98 users do not have the problem, the Win2K users do see it but
rarely, the WinXP users see it occasionally, and apparently more often with
SP3.  So is it an Access bug or a Windows bug?

In this specific case (the only place I am seeing it), it is in the OnOpen
of this one specific form.  The form is a bound form, VERY complex, with
probably 50-100 controls.  18 tabs using JIT subforms to only load the
subforms if the tabs are clicked.  

The form has a clsForm that ties the form into my framework.  That class
passes a pointer to the form into the class and the class then iterates the
form for every control, loading a withevents class for each control found.
I have however commented out that specific class such that the framework is
not triggered for the form and the problem still exists.

In addition to that class, I also have 9 other classes loading, mostly
classes that are passed in controls and enforce rules regarding sets of
controls.  I have not yet dimmed out those classes to see if the issue goes
away.

And yes, it also occurs on my laptop where the FE/BE are both on the same
machine.  HOWEVER, the BE (and FE for that matter) resides on a mapped
(mounted) drive.  On my laptop I use an encryption program to set up a big
file which is "turned into a drive".  IOW, this file is mounted as a drive
by a driver.  The driver asks for a password before mounting the "drive".  I
do this so that I can carry sensitive customer data on my machine without
exposing the data if the laptop is lost or stolen.  Furthermore I can just
backup the source file that is a drive, to backup the entire development
drive.

These drives are mounted as drive K, M and X.  Does that count as a network
drive?  The driver performs the mounting at specific drive letters.

Anyway, it is not AFAIK going out over the network, so I do not think it is
a NIC problem.

This is NOT going to be easy for them to troubleshoot.  The BE is now
approaching 400 mbytes and contains sensitive personal and medical data on
tens of thousands of people.  I am guessing that if they are going to do it
at all they will have to remote in to my laptop at my office and work on it
remotely.  It should be interesting to see what happens.

Just in...  I got this email this morning:

CASE_ID_NUM: SRZ050815000001
MESSAGE: 
********************** The message for you follows ************************
Hi John, 
 
          Thank you for using Microsoft Online Assisted Support.  In order
to route your case to a Support Professional we will need to re-entitle your
case. The product ID that you supplied indicates that your software came
part of an Open License Agreement. This is a special license agreement tha t
your company purchased so they could obtain many copies of the software at a
significant cost savings. This allows your company to save money by
purchasing the software in volume.  However, the software does not come with
any free technical support.  If you would like to have a support profession
al troubleshoot your issue, we must process a retail PID for Office
(w/Access), an access ID identifying a pre-paid support account, or a credit
card charge ($99 over the web, $245 over the phone).

IOW, the action pack does not get free support incidents.  Sigh.

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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
Beach Access Software
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 11:37 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Bug Report


Interesting.  What's your speculation on where it's happening?  In the 
interpretation of your classes?  They obviously have no clue and cannot 
track it down without getting your app and running it themselves.  At first 
it behaves like a bad NIC - I've had apps go south with corruptions and 
shutdowns and traced it to a cheap NIC on the network - but you're running 
this standalone, yes?

Rocky




From cyx5 at cdc.gov  Mon Aug 15 11:30:06 2005
From: cyx5 at cdc.gov (Nicholson, Karen)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 12:30:06 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access Bugs
Message-ID: <A5B5AA20555F594BA7B6BD2048E49E4376FE16@m-niosh-5.niosh.cdc.gov>

Here is a good one.  I have Access 2003 with an SQL 2000 backend.  Many
of my subforms are based on queries.  The data was not updating the
correct record.  After going nuts for a few weeks. I find it is a bug.
nice.


http://support.microsoft.com/kb/903074/en-us?spid=2509



From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Aug 15 11:33:53 2005
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 09:33:53 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Bug Report
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86873BB1@infoserver01.infostat.local>

It definitely makes sense for you, as it does for our office.  It just
doesn't make sense for me personally, even though I'm a Microsoft
Partner too.  I can't use all those apps, will never load them and can't
be bothered to keep them straight from the full licenses I hold.

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 9:25 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Bug Report


OTOH, how much would it cost to buy 10 licenses to Windows XP Pro,
OfficeXP Pro, and SQL Server with 10 CALs?  I think that paying 300 /
year is waaaaaaay cheaper than paying all of those licenses, even if you
have to subscribe for many years.  If you use any of the other programs
in the Action pack, the balance tips even further towards the Action
Pack side.

I have 6 machines in my Home Office, all of which have Windows XP Pro.
All have OfficeXP Pro installed, although only 3 really need it.  Three
have SQL Server installed although only one really needs it.  My dev
work could use the free version.  

Anyway, it made sense for me.

John W. Colby
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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
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Foust
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 11:27 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Bug Report


Read the EULA, Rocky.  If you DON'T subscribe, then you agree to remove
all the software from your machine.  That's the reason I don't use the
action pack.

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] 
Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 11:22 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Bug Report


I subscribed to the Action Pack as well this year.  Is there any
advantage 
to subscribing every year?

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John W. Colby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 5:03 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Bug Report


> Because I am an action pack subscriber, and because the problem occurs
> under OfficeXp and Windows XP received from them in the Action Pack, I

> have
2
> available support incidents free of charge, which I am using the first
of
> for this bug report.  We shall see if I get it back.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause: 
> http://folding.stanford.edu/
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. 
> Colby
> Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 7:53 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Bug Report
>
>
> LOL.  All you have to do is pay them money to tell them about their 
> bugs and
> you too can be on a first name basis.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause: 
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky 
> Smolin - Beach Access Software
> Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 7:51 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Bug Report
>
>
> You're on a first name basis with Benoy?  Not many of us have that 
> kind of clout.
>
> Rocky
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John W. Colby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 4:41 PM
> Subject: [AccessD] Bug Report
>
>
>> The following is the response I got to my bug report:
>>
>> Hello John,
>>
>> Thank you for contacting Microsoft Online Customer Service.
>>
>> I appreciate the time you have taken to provide us with the feedback.

>> As a Customer Service Representative, I can assist you with the 
>> support options available with your Microsoft product. You can report

>> bugs by postal mail to the following address:
>>
>> Attn: Office Development Group
>> Microsoft Corporation
>> One Microsoft Way
>> Redmond, WA 98052
>>
>> The letter should include a complete description of the bug including

>> the actions, software, and hardware associated with the bug and 
>> whether or not it is consistently reproducible.
>>
>> You may also contact Microsoft Customer Service and speak with a 
>> support professional about the issue and have a support case created.

>> This method will require you to utilize the standard options of 
>> support that are available for your copy of Microsoft product 
>> initially. Once the support professional is able to determine that 
>> the problem is a bug with the software, they will not decrement the 
>> incident from warranty support or account or issue a refund of any 
>> credit card charges if applicable.
>>
>> You may contact  Microsoft Developer Support Team at (800) 936-5800. 
>> They are available 24 hours a day.  They will be able to assist you.
>>
>> John, I hope your issue gets resolved.
>>
>> Thank you for using Microsoft products and services.
>>
>> Benoy
>> Microsoft Online Customer Service Representative
>>
>> If you have any feedback about your Online Customer Service 
>> experience please E-mail my manager Rahul Rajgopal at 
>> managers at microsoft.com
>>
>>
>>
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Aug 15 11:41:15 2005
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 09:41:15 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] ActionPack Tech Support
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86873BB3@infoserver01.infostat.local>

John,

I believe we've used their free tech support, but perhaps it is
associated with the kind of partner you are rather than the action pack
itself.  I wasn't the one doing the calling, so I can't say for sure.

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 9:29 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Bug Report


Rocky, 

This is indeed fascinating.  I am at a loss on this one.  I am no
lightweight at this stuff and I just can't figure it out.  I know that
the Windows98 users do not have the problem, the Win2K users do see it
but rarely, the WinXP users see it occasionally, and apparently more
often with SP3.  So is it an Access bug or a Windows bug?

In this specific case (the only place I am seeing it), it is in the
OnOpen of this one specific form.  The form is a bound form, VERY
complex, with probably 50-100 controls.  18 tabs using JIT subforms to
only load the subforms if the tabs are clicked.  

The form has a clsForm that ties the form into my framework.  That class
passes a pointer to the form into the class and the class then iterates
the form for every control, loading a withevents class for each control
found. I have however commented out that specific class such that the
framework is not triggered for the form and the problem still exists.

In addition to that class, I also have 9 other classes loading, mostly
classes that are passed in controls and enforce rules regarding sets of
controls.  I have not yet dimmed out those classes to see if the issue
goes away.

And yes, it also occurs on my laptop where the FE/BE are both on the
same machine.  HOWEVER, the BE (and FE for that matter) resides on a
mapped
(mounted) drive.  On my laptop I use an encryption program to set up a
big file which is "turned into a drive".  IOW, this file is mounted as a
drive by a driver.  The driver asks for a password before mounting the
"drive".  I do this so that I can carry sensitive customer data on my
machine without exposing the data if the laptop is lost or stolen.
Furthermore I can just backup the source file that is a drive, to backup
the entire development drive.

These drives are mounted as drive K, M and X.  Does that count as a
network drive?  The driver performs the mounting at specific drive
letters.

Anyway, it is not AFAIK going out over the network, so I do not think it
is a NIC problem.

This is NOT going to be easy for them to troubleshoot.  The BE is now
approaching 400 mbytes and contains sensitive personal and medical data
on tens of thousands of people.  I am guessing that if they are going to
do it at all they will have to remote in to my laptop at my office and
work on it remotely.  It should be interesting to see what happens.

Just in...  I got this email this morning:

CASE_ID_NUM: SRZ050815000001
MESSAGE: 
********************** The message for you follows
************************ Hi John, 
 
          Thank you for using Microsoft Online Assisted Support.  In
order to route your case to a Support Professional we will need to
re-entitle your case. The product ID that you supplied indicates that
your software came part of an Open License Agreement. This is a special
license agreement tha t your company purchased so they could obtain many
copies of the software at a significant cost savings. This allows your
company to save money by purchasing the software in volume.  However,
the software does not come with any free technical support.  If you
would like to have a support profession al troubleshoot your issue, we
must process a retail PID for Office (w/Access), an access ID
identifying a pre-paid support account, or a credit card charge ($99
over the web, $245 over the phone).

IOW, the action pack does not get free support incidents.  Sigh.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
- Beach Access Software
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 11:37 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Bug Report


Interesting.  What's your speculation on where it's happening?  In the 
interpretation of your classes?  They obviously have no clue and cannot 
track it down without getting your app and running it themselves.  At
first 
it behaves like a bad NIC - I've had apps go south with corruptions and 
shutdowns and traced it to a cheap NIC on the network - but you're
running 
this standalone, yes?

Rocky


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From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Mon Aug 15 11:41:58 2005
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps - IT Helps)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 18:41:58 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Access Bugs
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF1B5DDB@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

So if I understand correctly, all of your data is a mess right now???
Men can become woman and a 16 year old kid can become 86 thanks to this
bug.

Should somebody shoot someone for this???

How can one trust an application if the wrong record is updated?

Erwin
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Nicholson,
Karen
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 6:30 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Access Bugs

Here is a good one.  I have Access 2003 with an SQL 2000 backend.  Many
of my subforms are based on queries.  The data was not updating the
correct record.  After going nuts for a few weeks. I find it is a bug.
nice.


http://support.microsoft.com/kb/903074/en-us?spid=2509

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Aug 15 11:52:30 2005
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 09:52:30 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Access Bugs
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86873BB4@infoserver01.infostat.local>

That's not a bug, it's a FEATURE!  Didn't you read the press release on
the new virtual reality capabilities of 2003?? <VBG>

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Erwin Craps - IT Helps [mailto:Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be] 
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 9:42 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access Bugs


So if I understand correctly, all of your data is a mess right now???
Men can become woman and a 16 year old kid can become 86 thanks to this
bug.

Should somebody shoot someone for this???

How can one trust an application if the wrong record is updated?

Erwin
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Nicholson,
Karen
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 6:30 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Access Bugs

Here is a good one.  I have Access 2003 with an SQL 2000 backend.  Many
of my subforms are based on queries.  The data was not updating the
correct record.  After going nuts for a few weeks. I find it is a bug.
nice.


http://support.microsoft.com/kb/903074/en-us?spid=2509



From ssharkins at bellsouth.net  Mon Aug 15 12:05:49 2005
From: ssharkins at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 13:05:49 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Registry Keys
Message-ID: <20050815170548.MMD3503.ibm70aec.bellsouth.net@SUSANONE>

Someone asked last week if there was a utility to find all registry entries
for a particular piece of software. I didn't think so, but asked Mike G --
figured if there was one, he'd know about it -- anyway, the following was
his suggestion:

RegMon (http://www.sysinternals.com/Utilities/Regmon.html)

It finds which registry entries a particular piece of software actually uses
when it runs. Hope that's helpful. 

Susan H. 



From cyx5 at cdc.gov  Mon Aug 15 12:16:47 2005
From: cyx5 at cdc.gov (Nicholson, Karen)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 13:16:47 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access Bugs
Message-ID: <A5B5AA20555F594BA7B6BD2048E49E4376FE18@m-niosh-5.niosh.cdc.gov>

My data is not a mess that I know of.  We just turned our first user
into straight Access 2003.  She is a new employee so has not had much
time to hit our critical data.  I found four bad records that she
affected.  Then I shut her off and backed her down to Access 2002.  I
was developing at home in 2003 and couldn't figure out why the records
looked wierd.  I was using my own new tables. I was just lucky that they
didn't roll this whole place out at once or my data would have been
trashed.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 12:53 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access Bugs

That's not a bug, it's a FEATURE!  Didn't you read the press release on
the new virtual reality capabilities of 2003?? <VBG>

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Erwin Craps - IT Helps [mailto:Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be]
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 9:42 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access Bugs


So if I understand correctly, all of your data is a mess right now???
Men can become woman and a 16 year old kid can become 86 thanks to this
bug.

Should somebody shoot someone for this???

How can one trust an application if the wrong record is updated?

Erwin
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Nicholson,
Karen
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 6:30 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Access Bugs

Here is a good one.  I have Access 2003 with an SQL 2000 backend.  Many
of my subforms are based on queries.  The data was not updating the
correct record.  After going nuts for a few weeks. I find it is a bug.
nice.


http://support.microsoft.com/kb/903074/en-us?spid=2509

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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Aug 15 12:17:49 2005
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 19:17:49 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Bug Report
Message-ID: <s300ea6f.002@cactus.dk>

Hi John

Some things for you to try:

1. Remove any line containing Debug.Print from the code of the OnOpen
event.

This one once consistently crashed an Access XP app for me.

2. Remove any graphics from the form.

I've seen this crash an A97 app. Just by moving the object (I don't
recall if it was a Line or a bitmap) cured the problem.

3. Read out the form using SaveAsText:

  Call SaveAsText(acForm, "tfrmClaim", "c:\tfrmClaim.txt")

Study the text. Clean possible printer information.
Or rearrange some objects (the file contains a checksum but it appears
to not be checked when loading).
Remove the form from the database, decompile it, compress.
Read back the form using LoadFromText:

  Call LoadFromText(acForm, "tfrmClaim", "c:\tfrmClaim.txt")

compile and compress.

Further, but this is a long shot, you may try to replace the standard
printer with an old trusted "clean" driver like "HP LaserJet II", and/or
to reduce the colour setting of Windows to 256 colours.

/gustav


>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 08/15 4:56 pm >>>
I did not post the bug description, however here is what I sent MS:

Dear Sirs,

I am a professional developer using Microsoft Access.  I have a
specific
Access front end that has a particular (pretty complex) form  -
tfrmClaim -
that when opened sometimes causes Access to close, no warning.  A
little
background:

The issue happens both at my client's office and on my development
machine
which is a laptop with all the pieces right on the machine.  The
application
is a FE/BE split system, with an MDA holding an application framework
(written by me).  The application uses classes and Withevents (a LOT).

My client uses Office 2K.  They have about 40-50 workstations running
a
pretty good mix of Windows 98, Windows 2K and Windows XP.  AFAICT the
issue
does not occur on Win98 but does occur on Win2K and WinXP.

The system is a call center for the disability insurance industry. 
They
search for a claimant, and when found open a very complex form that
displays
all aspects of the claim.  This claim form has about 10 tabs, some of
which
are hidden.  The tabs load subforms when clicked on etc to reduce
loading
time.  All of that information is just background for you to understand
the
situation.  

The issue is that the OnOpen event occasionally causes the entire
database
to shut down, no warning, no page fault screen nothing.  Just gone.  

I have been able to insert debug statements and find where the
shutdown
occurs.  It occurs in the same location every time that the shutdown
occurs,
at least until you "do something" (developer code wise). 
Unfortunately
because it does not happen every time, it is not possible to step
through
the code and watch it close, but it is possible to nail it down to a
specific line of code whenever it does shutdown.

In attempting to troubleshoot this issue, I have done all of the
typical
decompile / compact / repair, open a new database and import all the
objects, etc.  One day I spent hours working on it, and watched the
shutdown
"move" through the OnOpen event until I finally "pushed it out the end
sub"
and it started closing back in the form that opens this complex form
(the
search result form) - when control returned to that sub.  I thought I
had it
nailed at that point but no, awhile later it was back to shutting down
in
the OnCurrent of the tfrmClaim.

My client thinks it has something to do with XPSP3, although it does
occur
(much less frequently) on other Oses.  It was happening a LOT on the XP
SP3
machines, they backed out the SP3 and the occurrence dropped radically
-
from every 30 minutes to once a day or so.  My dev machine (laptop) BTW
is
XP SP3 and it happens a lot.  I have not attempted to back out the SP3
and
don't really want to do so.  Also, I have OfficeXP on my dev machine
and the
bug also occurs under OfficeXP as well.

The problem will occur on the first search, or the 3rd search or the
10th
search, but rarely less often than every 10 searches - at least on my
dev
machine.  It does not appear to be data dependent, i.e. I see no
pattern as
to which record(s) triggers the shutdown.

BTW, I have "commented out" my application framework such that most of
the
functionality of the MDA is not being run - just trying to narrow down
the
issue.  There are about a dozen classes that load in OnOpen of the
form,
classes that use WithEvents to handle groups of controls and cause
specific
interactions to occur.  I have not yet commented all of them out,
although
if I did there would be no code left to run.  ;-)

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Aug 15 12:30:57 2005
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 13:30:57 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Bug Report
In-Reply-To: <s300ea6f.002@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <001c01c5a1bf$1c14ae30$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

>  Call SaveAsText(acForm, "tfrmClaim", "c:\tfrmClaim.txt")

That was cool.  The text file is 390 kbytes so it seems unliekly I can "scan
it closely"

And unfortunately, remember I said I had "pushed it out of the OnOpen" - the
close is now back in the calling function that opens the form.  The truly
strange part is that there is no code left in that function, i.e. it just
exits the sub.

Sigh.  I was going to try retyping in the offending line of code to see if I
could clean the source stream.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 1:18 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Bug Report


Hi John

Some things for you to try:

1. Remove any line containing Debug.Print from the code of the OnOpen event.

This one once consistently crashed an Access XP app for me.

2. Remove any graphics from the form.

I've seen this crash an A97 app. Just by moving the object (I don't recall
if it was a Line or a bitmap) cured the problem.

3. Read out the form using SaveAsText:

  Call SaveAsText(acForm, "tfrmClaim", "c:\tfrmClaim.txt")

Study the text. Clean possible printer information.
Or rearrange some objects (the file contains a checksum but it appears to
not be checked when loading). Remove the form from the database, decompile
it, compress. Read back the form using LoadFromText:

  Call LoadFromText(acForm, "tfrmClaim", "c:\tfrmClaim.txt")

compile and compress.

Further, but this is a long shot, you may try to replace the standard
printer with an old trusted "clean" driver like "HP LaserJet II", and/or to
reduce the colour setting of Windows to 256 colours.

/gustav


>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 08/15 4:56 pm >>>
I did not post the bug description, however here is what I sent MS:

Dear Sirs,

I am a professional developer using Microsoft Access.  I have a specific
Access front end that has a particular (pretty complex) form  - tfrmClaim -
that when opened sometimes causes Access to close, no warning.  A little
background:

The issue happens both at my client's office and on my development machine
which is a laptop with all the pieces right on the machine.  The application
is a FE/BE split system, with an MDA holding an application framework
(written by me).  The application uses classes and Withevents (a LOT).

My client uses Office 2K.  They have about 40-50 workstations running a
pretty good mix of Windows 98, Windows 2K and Windows XP.  AFAICT the issue
does not occur on Win98 but does occur on Win2K and WinXP.

The system is a call center for the disability insurance industry. 
They
search for a claimant, and when found open a very complex form that displays
all aspects of the claim.  This claim form has about 10 tabs, some of which
are hidden.  The tabs load subforms when clicked on etc to reduce loading
time.  All of that information is just background for you to understand the
situation.  

The issue is that the OnOpen event occasionally causes the entire database
to shut down, no warning, no page fault screen nothing.  Just gone.  

I have been able to insert debug statements and find where the shutdown
occurs.  It occurs in the same location every time that the shutdown occurs,
at least until you "do something" (developer code wise). 
Unfortunately
because it does not happen every time, it is not possible to step through
the code and watch it close, but it is possible to nail it down to a
specific line of code whenever it does shutdown.

In attempting to troubleshoot this issue, I have done all of the typical
decompile / compact / repair, open a new database and import all the
objects, etc.  One day I spent hours working on it, and watched the shutdown
"move" through the OnOpen event until I finally "pushed it out the end sub"
and it started closing back in the form that opens this complex form (the
search result form) - when control returned to that sub.  I thought I had it
nailed at that point but no, awhile later it was back to shutting down in
the OnCurrent of the tfrmClaim.

My client thinks it has something to do with XPSP3, although it does occur
(much less frequently) on other Oses.  It was happening a LOT on the XP SP3
machines, they backed out the SP3 and the occurrence dropped radically
-
from every 30 minutes to once a day or so.  My dev machine (laptop) BTW is
XP SP3 and it happens a lot.  I have not attempted to back out the SP3 and
don't really want to do so.  Also, I have OfficeXP on my dev machine and the
bug also occurs under OfficeXP as well.

The problem will occur on the first search, or the 3rd search or the 10th
search, but rarely less often than every 10 searches - at least on my dev
machine.  It does not appear to be data dependent, i.e. I see no pattern as
to which record(s) triggers the shutdown.

BTW, I have "commented out" my application framework such that most of the
functionality of the MDA is not being run - just trying to narrow down the
issue.  There are about a dozen classes that load in OnOpen of the form,
classes that use WithEvents to handle groups of controls and cause specific
interactions to occur.  I have not yet commented all of them out, although
if I did there would be no code left to run.  ;-)

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From jmhecht at earthlink.net  Mon Aug 15 12:51:57 2005
From: jmhecht at earthlink.net (Joe Hecht)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 10:51:57 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Access and XP MEDIA or Tablet
Message-ID: <000d01c5a1c2$08e0e150$6401a8c0@laptop1>

Has anyone seen any gotchas when running an Access App developed on XP home
or PRO if it is run on XP Media or Tablet OS?
 
Joe Hecht
Los Angeles CA
 


From Gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Aug 15 13:08:24 2005
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 20:08:24 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Bug Report
Message-ID: <s300f64b.003@cactus.dk>

Hi John

But at 390K I guess your form contains some graphics - can't you skip
that part?
Also, if no code is run and the app still crashes, it looks like just
the loading of the form causes the crash. The reason could be loading of
graphics. Not likely, I know, but quick and easy to test.

/gustav

>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 08/15 7:30 pm >>>
>  Call SaveAsText(acForm, "tfrmClaim", "c:\tfrmClaim.txt")

That was cool.  The text file is 390 kbytes so it seems unliekly I can
"scan
it closely"

And unfortunately, remember I said I had "pushed it out of the OnOpen"
- the
close is now back in the calling function that opens the form.  The
truly
strange part is that there is no code left in that function, i.e. it
just
exits the sub.

Sigh.  I was going to try retyping in the offending line of code to see
if I
could clean the source stream.



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Aug 15 13:18:53 2005
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 14:18:53 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Bug Report
In-Reply-To: <s300f64b.003@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <002201c5a1c5$ce682c50$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

The size of the file is caused by the VB for all the controls.  No, no
graphics at all AFAIK.  MAYBE a button... Hmmm I just looked at it and yea,
I have graphics in the tabs - little pictures like can be found in buttons
generated by the wizards.  No pictures other than those.  I will certainly
take those out to see what happens.

BTW, I went in and commented out all of the classes loaded by the form and
the crashing has stopped.  At least it looks like it.  That is one of the
problems, you can open the form 19 times and the 20th it will close the
database.  So every time you make a change you have to do a TON of searches
(opening the form) before you are almost sure that you have managed to
change the symptoms.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 2:08 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Bug Report


Hi John

But at 390K I guess your form contains some graphics - can't you skip that
part? Also, if no code is run and the app still crashes, it looks like just
the loading of the form causes the crash. The reason could be loading of
graphics. Not likely, I know, but quick and easy to test.

/gustav

>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 08/15 7:30 pm >>>
>  Call SaveAsText(acForm, "tfrmClaim", "c:\tfrmClaim.txt")

That was cool.  The text file is 390 kbytes so it seems unliekly I can "scan
it closely"

And unfortunately, remember I said I had "pushed it out of the OnOpen"
- the
close is now back in the calling function that opens the form.  The truly
strange part is that there is no code left in that function, i.e. it just
exits the sub.

Sigh.  I was going to try retyping in the offending line of code to see if I
could clean the source stream.

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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Aug 15 13:56:15 2005
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 20:56:15 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Bug Report
Message-ID: <s301018f.005@cactus.dk>

Hi John

OK. I can count to "a dozen classes" times 20 and all the combinations
of these 20 ...

How about creating a macro to load the form 25 times and beep when
unloading the form??

/gustav

>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 08/15 8:18 pm >>>
The size of the file is caused by the VB for all the controls.  No, no
graphics at all AFAIK.  MAYBE a button... Hmmm I just looked at it and
yea,
I have graphics in the tabs - little pictures like can be found in
buttons
generated by the wizards.  No pictures other than those.  I will
certainly
take those out to see what happens.

BTW, I went in and commented out all of the classes loaded by the form
and
the crashing has stopped.  At least it looks like it.  That is one of
the
problems, you can open the form 19 times and the 20th it will close
the
database.  So every time you make a change you have to do a TON of
searches
(opening the form) before you are almost sure that you have managed to
change the symptoms.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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http://folding.stanford.edu/

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav
Brock
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 2:08 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Bug Report


Hi John

But at 390K I guess your form contains some graphics - can't you skip
that
part? Also, if no code is run and the app still crashes, it looks like
just
the loading of the form causes the crash. The reason could be loading
of
graphics. Not likely, I know, but quick and easy to test.

/gustav

>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 08/15 7:30 pm >>>
>  Call SaveAsText(acForm, "tfrmClaim", "c:\tfrmClaim.txt")

That was cool.  The text file is 390 kbytes so it seems unliekly I can
"scan
it closely"

And unfortunately, remember I said I had "pushed it out of the OnOpen"
- the
close is now back in the calling function that opens the form.  The
truly
strange part is that there is no code left in that function, i.e. it
just
exits the sub.

Sigh.  I was going to try retyping in the offending line of code to see
if I
could clean the source stream.



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Aug 15 14:21:57 2005
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 15:21:57 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Bug Report
In-Reply-To: <s301018f.005@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <002301c5a1ce$9a743890$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

Well... In fact I may have found the culprit.  I commented out all of the
classes, including my framework form class and the crashing stopped.  Slowly
and painfully started uncommenting them one by one, testing each one about
25 times and found one class that seems to cause the crashing.  I am
continuing past that point, uncommenting all the rest one by one to see if I
can get them all (except that one) back in without bringing the crash back.
It's just painful, slow, piece by piece work.  

In the end Access shouldn't just close like it does, and it would be nice to
actually get MS to find and fix the bug behind my bug, but I also have to be
realistic...  ;-)

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 2:56 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Bug Report


Hi John

OK. I can count to "a dozen classes" times 20 and all the combinations of
these 20 ...

How about creating a macro to load the form 25 times and beep when unloading
the form??

/gustav

>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 08/15 8:18 pm >>>
The size of the file is caused by the VB for all the controls.  No, no
graphics at all AFAIK.  MAYBE a button... Hmmm I just looked at it and yea,
I have graphics in the tabs - little pictures like can be found in buttons
generated by the wizards.  No pictures other than those.  I will certainly
take those out to see what happens.

BTW, I went in and commented out all of the classes loaded by the form and
the crashing has stopped.  At least it looks like it.  That is one of the
problems, you can open the form 19 times and the 20th it will close the
database.  So every time you make a change you have to do a TON of searches
(opening the form) before you are almost sure that you have managed to
change the symptoms.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 2:08 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Bug Report


Hi John

But at 390K I guess your form contains some graphics - can't you skip that
part? Also, if no code is run and the app still crashes, it looks like just
the loading of the form causes the crash. The reason could be loading of
graphics. Not likely, I know, but quick and easy to test.

/gustav

>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 08/15 7:30 pm >>>
>  Call SaveAsText(acForm, "tfrmClaim", "c:\tfrmClaim.txt")

That was cool.  The text file is 390 kbytes so it seems unliekly I can "scan
it closely"

And unfortunately, remember I said I had "pushed it out of the OnOpen"
- the
close is now back in the calling function that opens the form.  The truly
strange part is that there is no code left in that function, i.e. it just
exits the sub.

Sigh.  I was going to try retyping in the offending line of code to see if I
could clean the source stream.

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From mikedorism at verizon.net  Mon Aug 15 14:41:36 2005
From: mikedorism at verizon.net (Mike & Doris Manning)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 15:41:36 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Bug Report
In-Reply-To: <002301c5a1ce$9a743890$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <000201c5a1d1$5a06a970$2e01a8c0@dorismanning>

AMEN to "In the end Access shouldn't just close like it does".  This is my
biggest pet peeve because the only way around it is to use "On Error" behind
every single form and report (whether the object needs a module or not).

Doris Manning
Database Administrator
Hargrove Inc.com
mikedorism at verizon.net




From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Mon Aug 15 15:03:43 2005
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps - IT Helps)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 22:03:43 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Access and XP MEDIA or Tablet
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF1B5DDC@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

I got one...
The portrait/landscape mode....

One of the big advantages and often used is working in portrait mode for
holding the tablet and beeing simular to a regular paper size.

But as a developer you always develop in landscape mode. This can result
the user to  always have to scroll which is very very anoying when
holding your tablet...

Erwin.


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Joe Hecht
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 7:52 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Access and XP MEDIA or Tablet

Has anyone seen any gotchas when running an Access App developed on XP
home or PRO if it is run on XP Media or Tablet OS?
 
Joe Hecht
Los Angeles CA
 
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From max at sherman.org.uk  Mon Aug 15 15:06:35 2005
From: max at sherman.org.uk (Max Sherman)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 21:06:35 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Bug Report
In-Reply-To: <001c01c5a1bf$1c14ae30$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAAW7DrIUv8Sk+BDIsZ6T0G1sKAAAAQAAAAct7vRlmXrkePWyDRVpNWSwEAAAAA@sherman.org.uk>

Don't retype it, just cut-n-paste into Notepad.  This will drop any
non-normal-text characters.  Then reverse it back in.
HTH
Max

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: 15 August 2005 18:31
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Bug Report

>  Call SaveAsText(acForm, "tfrmClaim", "c:\tfrmClaim.txt")

That was cool.  The text file is 390 kbytes so it seems unliekly I can "scan
it closely"

And unfortunately, remember I said I had "pushed it out of the OnOpen" - the
close is now back in the calling function that opens the form.  The truly
strange part is that there is no code left in that function, i.e. it just
exits the sub.

Sigh.  I was going to try retyping in the offending line of code to see if I
could clean the source stream.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 1:18 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Bug Report


Hi John

Some things for you to try:

1. Remove any line containing Debug.Print from the code of the OnOpen event.

This one once consistently crashed an Access XP app for me.

2. Remove any graphics from the form.

I've seen this crash an A97 app. Just by moving the object (I don't recall
if it was a Line or a bitmap) cured the problem.

3. Read out the form using SaveAsText:

  Call SaveAsText(acForm, "tfrmClaim", "c:\tfrmClaim.txt")

Study the text. Clean possible printer information.
Or rearrange some objects (the file contains a checksum but it appears to
not be checked when loading). Remove the form from the database, decompile
it, compress. Read back the form using LoadFromText:

  Call LoadFromText(acForm, "tfrmClaim", "c:\tfrmClaim.txt")

compile and compress.

Further, but this is a long shot, you may try to replace the standard
printer with an old trusted "clean" driver like "HP LaserJet II", and/or to
reduce the colour setting of Windows to 256 colours.

/gustav


>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 08/15 4:56 pm >>>
I did not post the bug description, however here is what I sent MS:

Dear Sirs,

I am a professional developer using Microsoft Access.  I have a specific
Access front end that has a particular (pretty complex) form  - tfrmClaim -
that when opened sometimes causes Access to close, no warning.  A little
background:

The issue happens both at my client's office and on my development machine
which is a laptop with all the pieces right on the machine.  The application
is a FE/BE split system, with an MDA holding an application framework
(written by me).  The application uses classes and Withevents (a LOT).

My client uses Office 2K.  They have about 40-50 workstations running a
pretty good mix of Windows 98, Windows 2K and Windows XP.  AFAICT the issue
does not occur on Win98 but does occur on Win2K and WinXP.

The system is a call center for the disability insurance industry. 
They
search for a claimant, and when found open a very complex form that displays
all aspects of the claim.  This claim form has about 10 tabs, some of which
are hidden.  The tabs load subforms when clicked on etc to reduce loading
time.  All of that information is just background for you to understand the
situation.  

The issue is that the OnOpen event occasionally causes the entire database
to shut down, no warning, no page fault screen nothing.  Just gone.  

I have been able to insert debug statements and find where the shutdown
occurs.  It occurs in the same location every time that the shutdown occurs,
at least until you "do something" (developer code wise). 
Unfortunately
because it does not happen every time, it is not possible to step through
the code and watch it close, but it is possible to nail it down to a
specific line of code whenever it does shutdown.

In attempting to troubleshoot this issue, I have done all of the typical
decompile / compact / repair, open a new database and import all the
objects, etc.  One day I spent hours working on it, and watched the shutdown
"move" through the OnOpen event until I finally "pushed it out the end sub"
and it started closing back in the form that opens this complex form (the
search result form) - when control returned to that sub.  I thought I had it
nailed at that point but no, awhile later it was back to shutting down in
the OnCurrent of the tfrmClaim.

My client thinks it has something to do with XPSP3, although it does occur
(much less frequently) on other Oses.  It was happening a LOT on the XP SP3
machines, they backed out the SP3 and the occurrence dropped radically
-
from every 30 minutes to once a day or so.  My dev machine (laptop) BTW is
XP SP3 and it happens a lot.  I have not attempted to back out the SP3 and
don't really want to do so.  Also, I have OfficeXP on my dev machine and the
bug also occurs under OfficeXP as well.

The problem will occur on the first search, or the 3rd search or the 10th
search, but rarely less often than every 10 searches - at least on my dev
machine.  It does not appear to be data dependent, i.e. I see no pattern as
to which record(s) triggers the shutdown.

BTW, I have "commented out" my application framework such that most of the
functionality of the MDA is not being run - just trying to narrow down the
issue.  There are about a dozen classes that load in OnOpen of the form,
classes that use WithEvents to handle groups of controls and cause specific
interactions to occur.  I have not yet commented all of them out, although
if I did there would be no code left to run.  ;-)

John W. Colby
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From darsant at gmail.com  Mon Aug 15 15:11:44 2005
From: darsant at gmail.com (Josh McFarlane)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 15:11:44 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Bug Report
In-Reply-To: <000201c5a1d1$5a06a970$2e01a8c0@dorismanning>
References: <002301c5a1ce$9a743890$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>
	<000201c5a1d1$5a06a970$2e01a8c0@dorismanning>
Message-ID: <53c8e05a05081513113a7977fb@mail.gmail.com>

On 8/15/05, Mike & Doris Manning <mikedorism at verizon.net> wrote:
> AMEN to "In the end Access shouldn't just close like it does".  This is my
> biggest pet peeve because the only way around it is to use "On Error" behind
> every single form and report (whether the object needs a module or not).

Well, it could be worse. It could be like Visual Studio 2005, and as
soon as you attempt to modify any part of the code... BANG, it's gone.
No error, nothing running, just wham bam, no more VS.

Try to report it and they can't reproduce it, as it's intermittent,
but everyone knows it's there!

-- 
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"Peace cannot be kept by force. It can only be achieved by understanding."
-Albert Einstein


From darsant at gmail.com  Mon Aug 15 15:16:48 2005
From: darsant at gmail.com (Josh McFarlane)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 15:16:48 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Bug Reporting for SQL Server 2005 / Visual Studio and
	other Visual Products
Message-ID: <53c8e05a05081513166bdf208e@mail.gmail.com>

Since we're on the topic of reporting bugs, 

For those of you using Visual Studio, SQL Server, or any other Visual
programming products, you can report your bugs fairly easily without
the normal Micro$oft money for bugs program by visiting
www.msdn.com/feedback.

So far, I've reported roughly 5 bugs on upcoming releases and all were
dealt with fairly quickly. Now if they only had something like this
for Access...

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-Albert Einstein


From bchacc at san.rr.com  Mon Aug 15 15:35:44 2005
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 13:35:44 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Bug Report
References: <NDEALJOEGMMPCDKIFGNFKEHEEKAA.jimdettman@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <056a01c5a1d8$e902cd50$6501a8c0@HAL9004>

Jim:

"code breaks on a line where a breakpoint was but is no longer"

I've had this happen as well, even more embarrassing, at the customer when 
suddenly they find themselves in the code page with a yellow highlight.  Has 
there been no fix for this from MS?

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim Dettman" <jimdettman at earthlink.net>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 9:08 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Bug Report


> John,
>
>  I've seen what your seeing.  I've also had cases where code breaks on a
> line where a breakpoint was but is no longer after the code has been 
> changed
> (lines inserted or deleted).  I've even had it break on *blank* lines in
> some cases<g>.  I can push the lines around as you say and watch things
> change.
>
> <<I am convinced that the source code that you see on the screen has other
> things in the text stream, things that are not visible to you, the
> developer. >>
>
>  Basically it boils down to the fact that the source code is out of synch
> with the p-code or as your saying, the p-code is hosed.  Since they are
> stored separately, it is easy for this to happen.
>
> Good time to use /decompile<g>.
>
> Jim.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John W. Colby
> Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 11:53 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Bug Report
>
>
> Was it the actual line that called the other block?  This one is just "any
> old line of code".  It always occurs in the OnOpen of the form, where I am
> initializing classes, etc.  By setting up debug.Print statements through 
> the
> OnOpen I am able to nail down what exact line of code it is, but it 
> doesn't
> occur every time the form opens so it is a pita to step through to 
> actually
> watch the close happen.  I have caused the close to move around however,
> even "pushing it out the end" of the OnOpen back into the function that
> opens the form.  Truly bizarre.
>
> I have seen this kind of stuff before however.  Back when I was working on
> C2DbFrameWiz (the error handler insertion wizard) I would get instances
> where the code that inserted the code into a module would just cause a
> close.  It was very similar, I could "track it down" to a single line of
> code.  I could go up to the previous line, type in the same code character
> for character, then delete the line causing the code and the problem would
> "go away" for awhile.  OTOH, If I cut the line out to the paste buffer and
> pasted it back in again, I would still have the issue.
>
> I am convinced that the source code that you see on the screen has other
> things in the text stream, things that are not visible to you, the
> developer.  Kind of like the old Word Perfect "show codes" where you would
> cause other formatting stuff to appear.  I am convinced that the text 
> stream
> gets something embedded in it and once that something is in the string, 
> you
> are hosed.
>
> In this case (my current application) I have gone so far as to import the
> entire FE into a new blank MDB and the problem still exists.  I do not get
> the "corrupted form" kind of thing that occurs with the A2K / AXP vb dll
> version issue, i.e. the form module is not "corrupted" at least not
> corrupted so badly that it won't export.
>
> This is a bizarre one and very irritating to my users as you might 
> imagine.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
> http://folding.stanford.edu/
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
> Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 11:30 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Bug Report
>
>
> I saw behavior like that in one of my apps once, John.  I finally tracked 
> it
> down to mixing DAO and ADO, that is, a DAO code block calling out to an 
> ADO
> block, or vice versa.  I scrubbed my code thoroughly to prevent said
> circumstance and the problem went away.  One of the steps I took was to
> rename my routines so that I could tell at a glance whether they were ADO 
> or
> DAO.
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
> Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 5:52 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Bug Report
>
>
> LOL.  There is no resolving this bug.  Access just shuts down.  Step 
> through
> the code and hit one specific line it just closes.  Not exactly something 
> I
> can fix.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
> http://folding.stanford.edu/
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
> Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 8:44 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Bug Report
>
>
> Well - MS is really loosening up!  They won't charge you if it really does
> turn out to be a bug.  I had to solve my bug myself for them to not charge
> me!
>
> Best of Luck!
>
> Dan Waters
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby
> Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 6:41 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: [AccessD] Bug Report
>
> The following is the response I got to my bug report:
>
> Hello John,
>
> Thank you for contacting Microsoft Online Customer Service.
>
> I appreciate the time you have taken to provide us with the feedback. As a
> Customer Service Representative, I can assist you with the support options
> available with your Microsoft product. You can report bugs by postal mail 
> to
> the following address:
>
> Attn: Office Development Group
> Microsoft Corporation
> One Microsoft Way
> Redmond, WA 98052
>
> The letter should include a complete description of the bug including the
> actions, software, and hardware associated with the bug and whether or not
> it is consistently reproducible.
>
> You may also contact Microsoft Customer Service and speak with a support
> professional about the issue and have a support case created. This method
> will require you to utilize the standard options of support that are
> available for your copy of Microsoft product initially. Once the support
> professional is able to determine that the problem is a bug with the
> software, they will not decrement the incident from warranty support or
> account or issue a refund of any credit card charges if applicable.
>
> You may contact  Microsoft Developer Support Team at (800) 936-5800. They
> are available 24 hours a day.  They will be able to assist you.
>
> John, I hope your issue gets resolved.
>
> Thank you for using Microsoft products and services.
>
> Benoy
> Microsoft Online Customer Service Representative
>
> If you have any feedback about your Online Customer Service experience
> please E-mail my manager Rahul Rajgopal at managers at microsoft.com
>
>
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Mon Aug 15 15:38:54 2005
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 13:38:54 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Bug Report
References: <001801c5a1b6$80e3a6d0$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <057b01c5a1d9$5d06a960$6501a8c0@HAL9004>

John:

At that level of form complexity could you be bumping up against any of the 
(undocumented) Access limitations that the SQL and Oracle folks are always 
ragging us about?

Rocky

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Subject: RE: [AccessD] Bug Report


> Rocky,
>
> This is indeed fascinating.  I am at a loss on this one.  I am no
> lightweight at this stuff and I just can't figure it out.  I know that the
> Windows98 users do not have the problem, the Win2K users do see it but
> rarely, the WinXP users see it occasionally, and apparently more often 
> with
> SP3.  So is it an Access bug or a Windows bug?
>
> In this specific case (the only place I am seeing it), it is in the OnOpen
> of this one specific form.  The form is a bound form, VERY complex, with
> probably 50-100 controls.  18 tabs using JIT subforms to only load the
> subforms if the tabs are clicked.
>
> The form has a clsForm that ties the form into my framework.  That class
> passes a pointer to the form into the class and the class then iterates 
> the
> form for every control, loading a withevents class for each control found.
> I have however commented out that specific class such that the framework 
> is
> not triggered for the form and the problem still exists.
>
> In addition to that class, I also have 9 other classes loading, mostly
> classes that are passed in controls and enforce rules regarding sets of
> controls.  I have not yet dimmed out those classes to see if the issue 
> goes
> away.
>
> And yes, it also occurs on my laptop where the FE/BE are both on the same
> machine.  HOWEVER, the BE (and FE for that matter) resides on a mapped
> (mounted) drive.  On my laptop I use an encryption program to set up a big
> file which is "turned into a drive".  IOW, this file is mounted as a drive
> by a driver.  The driver asks for a password before mounting the "drive". 
> I
> do this so that I can carry sensitive customer data on my machine without
> exposing the data if the laptop is lost or stolen.  Furthermore I can just
> backup the source file that is a drive, to backup the entire development
> drive.
>
> These drives are mounted as drive K, M and X.  Does that count as a 
> network
> drive?  The driver performs the mounting at specific drive letters.
>
> Anyway, it is not AFAIK going out over the network, so I do not think it 
> is
> a NIC problem.
>
> This is NOT going to be easy for them to troubleshoot.  The BE is now
> approaching 400 mbytes and contains sensitive personal and medical data on
> tens of thousands of people.  I am guessing that if they are going to do 
> it
> at all they will have to remote in to my laptop at my office and work on 
> it
> remotely.  It should be interesting to see what happens.
>
> Just in...  I got this email this morning:
>
> CASE_ID_NUM: SRZ050815000001
> MESSAGE:
> ********************** The message for you follows 
> ************************
> Hi John,
>
>          Thank you for using Microsoft Online Assisted Support.  In order
> to route your case to a Support Professional we will need to re-entitle 
> your
> case. The product ID that you supplied indicates that your software came
> part of an Open License Agreement. This is a special license agreement tha 
> t
> your company purchased so they could obtain many copies of the software at 
> a
> significant cost savings. This allows your company to save money by
> purchasing the software in volume.  However, the software does not come 
> with
> any free technical support.  If you would like to have a support 
> profession
> al troubleshoot your issue, we must process a retail PID for Office
> (w/Access), an access ID identifying a pre-paid support account, or a 
> credit
> card charge ($99 over the web, $245 over the phone).
>
> IOW, the action pack does not get free support incidents.  Sigh.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
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> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
> Beach Access Software
> Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 11:37 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Bug Report
>
>
> Interesting.  What's your speculation on where it's happening?  In the
> interpretation of your classes?  They obviously have no clue and cannot
> track it down without getting your app and running it themselves.  At 
> first
> it behaves like a bad NIC - I've had apps go south with corruptions and
> shutdowns and traced it to a cheap NIC on the network - but you're running
> this standalone, yes?
>
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From artful at rogers.com  Mon Aug 15 16:21:25 2005
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 17:21:25 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Where is everyone?
In-Reply-To: <200508142111.j7ELBYkr209474@pimout1-ext.prodigy.net>
Message-ID: <200508152121.j7FLLQR26737@databaseadvisors.com>

I would but I can't. Compared to some of the listers here, I am a newcomer.

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Sent: August 14, 2005 5:11 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Where is everyone?

Go for it! 

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Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2005 9:38 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Where is everyone?

Somebody should write up the history of AccessD for publication in the
newsletter, and for posterity.

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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Mon Aug 15 16:59:18 2005
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 16:59:18 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2006
Message-ID: <000001c5a1e4$990452e0$0300a8c0@danwaters>

Does anyone know when MS will be releasing information on Access 2006?  I
know the release date is around July 2006.

 

Dan Waters

 



From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Aug 15 17:21:45 2005
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 15:21:45 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Bug Report
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86873BB6@infoserver01.infostat.local>

On Error won't necessarily do it, though.  I discovered that with the
ADO/DAO problem I ran into.  Even having a form open didn't stop it from
crashing all the way back to windows with never an error thrown.

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Mike & Doris Manning [mailto:mikedorism at verizon.net] 
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 12:42 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Bug Report


AMEN to "In the end Access shouldn't just close like it does".  This is
my biggest pet peeve because the only way around it is to use "On Error"
behind every single form and report (whether the object needs a module
or not).

Doris Manning
Database Administrator
Hargrove Inc.com
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From robert at servicexp.com  Mon Aug 15 18:16:25 2005
From: robert at servicexp.com (Robert Gracie)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 19:16:25 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Bug Report
Message-ID: <3C6BD610FA11044CADFC8C13E6D5508F4EF5@gbsserver.GBS.local>

John,
 Do you have any timers running in this db?

Robert 

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 3:46 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Bug Report

Well... In fact I may have found the culprit.  I commented out all of
the classes, including my framework form class and the crashing stopped.
Slowly and painfully started uncommenting them one by one, testing each
one about
25 times and found one class that seems to cause the crashing.  I am
continuing past that point, uncommenting all the rest one by one to see
if I can get them all (except that one) back in without bringing the
crash back.
It's just painful, slow, piece by piece work.  

In the end Access shouldn't just close like it does, and it would be
nice to actually get MS to find and fix the bug behind my bug, but I
also have to be realistic...  ;-)

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 2:56 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Bug Report


Hi John

OK. I can count to "a dozen classes" times 20 and all the combinations
of these 20 ...

How about creating a macro to load the form 25 times and beep when
unloading the form??

/gustav

>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 08/15 8:18 pm >>>
The size of the file is caused by the VB for all the controls.  No, no
graphics at all AFAIK.  MAYBE a button... Hmmm I just looked at it and
yea, I have graphics in the tabs - little pictures like can be found in
buttons generated by the wizards.  No pictures other than those.  I will
certainly take those out to see what happens.

BTW, I went in and commented out all of the classes loaded by the form
and the crashing has stopped.  At least it looks like it.  That is one
of the problems, you can open the form 19 times and the 20th it will
close the database.  So every time you make a change you have to do a
TON of searches (opening the form) before you are almost sure that you
have managed to change the symptoms.

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 2:08 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Bug Report


Hi John

But at 390K I guess your form contains some graphics - can't you skip
that part? Also, if no code is run and the app still crashes, it looks
like just the loading of the form causes the crash. The reason could be
loading of graphics. Not likely, I know, but quick and easy to test.

/gustav

>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 08/15 7:30 pm >>>
>  Call SaveAsText(acForm, "tfrmClaim", "c:\tfrmClaim.txt")

That was cool.  The text file is 390 kbytes so it seems unliekly I can
"scan it closely"

And unfortunately, remember I said I had "pushed it out of the OnOpen"
- the
close is now back in the calling function that opens the form.  The
truly strange part is that there is no code left in that function, i.e.
it just exits the sub.

Sigh.  I was going to try retyping in the offending line of code to see
if I could clean the source stream.

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Aug 15 18:47:44 2005
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 19:47:44 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Bug Report
In-Reply-To: <3C6BD610FA11044CADFC8C13E6D5508F4EF5@gbsserver.GBS.local>
Message-ID: <002401c5a1f3$bb52ae50$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

Nope, no timers.

John W. Colby
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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Robert Gracie
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 7:16 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Bug Report


John,
 Do you have any timers running in this db?

Robert 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 3:46 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Bug Report

Well... In fact I may have found the culprit.  I commented out all of the
classes, including my framework form class and the crashing stopped. Slowly
and painfully started uncommenting them one by one, testing each one about
25 times and found one class that seems to cause the crashing.  I am
continuing past that point, uncommenting all the rest one by one to see if I
can get them all (except that one) back in without bringing the crash back.
It's just painful, slow, piece by piece work.  

In the end Access shouldn't just close like it does, and it would be nice to
actually get MS to find and fix the bug behind my bug, but I also have to be
realistic...  ;-)

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 2:56 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Bug Report


Hi John

OK. I can count to "a dozen classes" times 20 and all the combinations of
these 20 ...

How about creating a macro to load the form 25 times and beep when unloading
the form??

/gustav

>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 08/15 8:18 pm >>>
The size of the file is caused by the VB for all the controls.  No, no
graphics at all AFAIK.  MAYBE a button... Hmmm I just looked at it and yea,
I have graphics in the tabs - little pictures like can be found in buttons
generated by the wizards.  No pictures other than those.  I will certainly
take those out to see what happens.

BTW, I went in and commented out all of the classes loaded by the form and
the crashing has stopped.  At least it looks like it.  That is one of the
problems, you can open the form 19 times and the 20th it will close the
database.  So every time you make a change you have to do a TON of searches
(opening the form) before you are almost sure that you have managed to
change the symptoms.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 2:08 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Bug Report


Hi John

But at 390K I guess your form contains some graphics - can't you skip that
part? Also, if no code is run and the app still crashes, it looks like just
the loading of the form causes the crash. The reason could be loading of
graphics. Not likely, I know, but quick and easy to test.

/gustav

>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 08/15 7:30 pm >>>
>  Call SaveAsText(acForm, "tfrmClaim", "c:\tfrmClaim.txt")

That was cool.  The text file is 390 kbytes so it seems unliekly I can "scan
it closely"

And unfortunately, remember I said I had "pushed it out of the OnOpen"
- the
close is now back in the calling function that opens the form.  The truly
strange part is that there is no code left in that function, i.e. it just
exits the sub.

Sigh.  I was going to try retyping in the offending line of code to see if I
could clean the source stream.

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Aug 15 20:02:49 2005
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 21:02:49 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Database close bug (apparently) resolved
Message-ID: <002501c5a1fe$388e4460$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

Well...

It appears that my bug has been resolved.

The form in question has a combo, the list for which is a result of a state
machine.  IOW, if you are in state A, then you can go to state B, D, F or G
but not C, E etc.

Thus the list for the combo has to be calculated as the form opens based on
the current state, a SQL statement generated and placed in the combo
rowsource property.  In fact, for troubleshooting purposes, I had a saved
querydef which I modified with the results of this calculated SQL Statement,
then placed the name of the saved query in the combo's RowSource property
after the calculation, and modification of the querydef.

Once I knew that it was this class that was causing the issue, I was able to
"divide and conquer" (comment out statements until it was found) and
discovered that it was the process of modifying the saved querydef that was
causing the unexpected close.  The combo RowSource is set to the name of the
saved query when the form opens, then the RowSource is set to "" (cleared),
the querydef opened and the SQL property modified with the calculated SQL
statement and closed, then the name of the query placed back in the combo
which causes the combo to "requery" and pull the data per the SQL statement
and display that dataset.

For whatever reason, that modify/save/store in combo process was causing the
close issue.  By simply deleting the named query from the combo's RowSource,
then placing the SQL statement itself directly in the combo, the database no
longer closes unexpectedly.  Now I have to do a "Find" to make sure that the
stored query is not used any where else after the combo is loaded, and if
not, I can just leave things as they are with a note in the commented out
code to indicate that it caused my "database close" issue.

What a PITA.  And why doesn't Access close immediately (or better yet, throw
an error if it doesn't like this?) when I am screwing around with the
querydef instead of after OnCurrent finishes?  And what is it that makes it
OS sensitive?  All things I will no doubt never see the answer to.

But... I have fixed my problem.

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From carbonnb at sympatico.ca  Mon Aug 15 20:45:19 2005
From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 21:45:19 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas
Message-ID: <BAYC1-PASMTP0207B39A1274386D8BD230AEB00@cez.ice>

I have found myself in a situation that gives me an inordinate amount 
of free time and I'm looking for some ideas to fill my time.

I am thinking of something that would make development easier or a 
specifc app that would greatly help developers. I need something to 
keep my mind active and fingers busy :)

It can be anything from Access to Word to Excel (Office 2K), even VB 
6.

I'm open to any and all suggestion. And If I can learn something new, 
that would be even better.

Let the flood gates open :-)

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Aug 15 20:52:22 2005
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 21:52:22 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas
In-Reply-To: <BAYC1-PASMTP0207B39A1274386D8BD230AEB00@cez.ice>
Message-ID: <002601c5a205$27d95d60$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

Why don't I ever get these situations?  8-(

John W. Colby
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Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 9:45 PM
To: access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas


I have found myself in a situation that gives me an inordinate amount 
of free time and I'm looking for some ideas to fill my time.

I am thinking of something that would make development easier or a 
specifc app that would greatly help developers. I need something to 
keep my mind active and fingers busy :)

It can be anything from Access to Word to Excel (Office 2K), even VB 
6.

I'm open to any and all suggestion. And If I can learn something new, 
that would be even better.

Let the flood gates open :-)

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From carbonnb at sympatico.ca  Mon Aug 15 21:05:29 2005
From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 22:05:29 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas
In-Reply-To: <002601c5a205$27d95d60$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>
References: <BAYC1-PASMTP0207B39A1274386D8BD230AEB00@cez.ice>
Message-ID: <BAYC1-PASMTP033CA742B4404F9E332174AEB00@cez.ice>

On 15 Aug 2005 at 21:52, John W. Colby wrote:

> Why don't I ever get these situations?  8-(

Cause you really don't want to be in this situation. :))

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From Bruce.Bruen at railcorp.nsw.gov.au  Mon Aug 15 21:06:39 2005
From: Bruce.Bruen at railcorp.nsw.gov.au (Bruen, Bruce)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 12:06:39 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Tagged value query
Message-ID: <F2BE8EAB3EA585418337B71BCE6F3BF304EC36@msmet100.rail.nsw.gov.au>

Might not be expressing myself well here. 

On reconsidering the problem, I can ignore the join completely.

What I have is a table with a set of optional tagged value pairs:
Table=t_objectproperties
Attribs= 
Objkey (NOT unique)
parentID (FK but lets ignore it)
Name (name of the tag)
Value (value of the tag)

Objkey can have mulitple entries.  What I need to do is:


For a given set of tag names (i.e. more than 1, eg "InFirstRelease" and
"TestPriority")
 list ObjKey, name1.value, name2.value;

The case of a single translation putting the value of a particular name
in a column is trivial.  IOW its easy to get:

Objkey	InFirstRelease
-------	---------------
2313		Yes
2365		No
...

What I cant get is how to do it for multiple tags. :-(
Initially, I can get away with a fixed number of tags. But in the long
term it would be nice to be able to have a generalisation that allowed
the number of tags to be variable.

SELECT objkey, value as V1, value as V2
FROM t_objectproperties
WHERE name="InFirstRelease" or name="TestPriority";  ????????Obviously
not it!????????

I must be getting too old for this job.....


Tia
bruce





-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Friday, 12 August 2005 3:02 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Tagged value query

Have you tried an outer join? 

Left outer will retrieve all the primary key values in the one table. 
Right outer will retrieve all the foreign key values in the many table. 

Susan H. 

Yes. 

You want all objects, even if they have no tags? 


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From Bruce.Bruen at railcorp.nsw.gov.au  Mon Aug 15 21:12:39 2005
From: Bruce.Bruen at railcorp.nsw.gov.au (Bruen, Bruce)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 12:12:39 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Tagged value query - IGNORE THIS THREAD
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Talk about embarrased.

It's a straightforward crosstab.  Must be too old.


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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Aug 15 21:18:58 2005
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 22:18:58 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas
In-Reply-To: <BAYC1-PASMTP033CA742B4404F9E332174AEB00@cez.ice>
Message-ID: <002a01c5a208$df717540$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

I am working on a bunch of different things myself.  I'm taking a client's
project and porting it to VB.Net.  Slowly working on a book about reusable
code in VBA for Access, stuff like that.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bryan Carbonnell
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 10:05 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas


On 15 Aug 2005 at 21:52, John W. Colby wrote:

> Why don't I ever get these situations?  8-(

Cause you really don't want to be in this situation. :))

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Aug 15 21:34:52 2005
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 19:34:52 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas
In-Reply-To: <BAYC1-PASMTP0207B39A1274386D8BD230AEB00@cez.ice>
Message-ID: <0ILA0086LN63B7@l-daemon>

Hi Bryan:

Our web site needs a lot of work to move to the next level.

A few simple things that would require a bit of research... 

1. Create the definitive link list for the site. You know most of the sites
from but there are a few out there that are not obvious but definitely
should be counted... like 'http://www.colbyconsulting.com/' or
'http://www.rogersaccesslibrary.com' or 'http://www.mvps.org/access/' and
many more. It would be great to be able to create the ultimate Access
research page. 

2. Putting some of the great comments and code snippets into either a
gazette or new article for upcoming issues(s).

3 List member advertisement pages stores on a MS SQL DB. This is not
confirmed by the executive yet but I believe it makes sense. We should be
supporting our list members' accomplishment like their books, articles,
programs or even design and support companies. We are a way from
implementing this but the format, design, and coding can be started as it
will be a lengthy development from creation to implementation.

4. There is of course .Net... and XML/HXML/AJAX... where much of Access
development is heading/expanding. It is a truly distributive application
development platform and the performance is really awesome when using
ASP.Net client side is coupled with ADO.Net... 'a thousand users are
serviced as fast as one' (Not mine but a quote from a book.). Should we be
looking seriously at this? Articles, new lists, roll our own? 
  
These are just a few of the web site work that is waiting to be started and
implemented.  

Our current web site owners are having some problems getting our MS SQL
server up and running again but we will be getting MS SQL support one way or
the other. So you can work/plan for/with a MS SQL set of option/solutions.

Keep me posted as I am enjoying a 'fairly' flexible time constraint as well.

Jim


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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bryan Carbonnell
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 6:45 PM
To: access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas

I have found myself in a situation that gives me an inordinate amount 
of free time and I'm looking for some ideas to fill my time.

I am thinking of something that would make development easier or a 
specifc app that would greatly help developers. I need something to 
keep my mind active and fingers busy :)

It can be anything from Access to Word to Excel (Office 2K), even VB 
6.

I'm open to any and all suggestion. And If I can learn something new, 
that would be even better.

Let the flood gates open :-)

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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Tue Aug 16 01:59:14 2005
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 07:59:14 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas
In-Reply-To: <BAYC1-PASMTP033CA742B4404F9E332174AEB00@cez.ice>
Message-ID: <000e01c5a230$049f5d10$2c1f0c54@minster33c3r25>

Hi Bryan
Really sorry to hear that.

How about the long-awaited v2 of BEU?

-- Andy Lacey
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Bryan Carbonnell
> Sent: 16 August 2005 03:05
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas
> 
> 
> On 15 Aug 2005 at 21:52, John W. Colby wrote:
> 
> > Why don't I ever get these situations?  8-(
> 
> Cause you really don't want to be in this situation. :))
> 
> -- 
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> Never test for a bug you don't know how to fix.
> 
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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Aug 16 02:13:16 2005
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 09:13:16 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas
Message-ID: <s301ae37.009@cactus.dk>

Hi Bryan

So no job? Or wife?? Is that what you are trying to tell?
On the other hand (for the job option, cannot tell for the wife
option), with your knowledge I would expect it to be easy for you to
find some "new challenges" except, of course, if things are a little
more complicated than they may appear to be ...

Currently I'm facing some XML work. Haven't done anything with this and
Access and hardly know where to look except browsing this list ...
So an XML cookbook or guide is a suggestion.

/gustav

>>> carbonnb at sympatico.ca 08/16 3:45 am >>>
I have found myself in a situation that gives me an inordinate amount 
of free time and I'm looking for some ideas to fill my time.

I am thinking of something that would make development easier or a 
specifc app that would greatly help developers. I need something to 
keep my mind active and fingers busy :)

It can be anything from Access to Word to Excel (Office 2K), even VB 
6.

I'm open to any and all suggestion. And If I can learn something new, 
that would be even better.

Let the flood gates open :-)

-- 
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca 
Don't cry because it's over; smile because it happened. 



From jimdettman at earthlink.net  Tue Aug 16 05:16:41 2005
From: jimdettman at earthlink.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 06:16:41 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Bug Report
In-Reply-To: <056a01c5a1d8$e902cd50$6501a8c0@HAL9004>
Message-ID: <NDEALJOEGMMPCDKIFGNFKELDEKAA.jimdettman@earthlink.net>

Rocky,

  None that I'm aware of.  I usually do a /decompile as soon as I see the
weird stuff start to happen.

  That pretty much clears it up.  If not, I go to a backup.

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
Beach Access Software
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 4:36 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Bug Report


Jim:

"code breaks on a line where a breakpoint was but is no longer"

I've had this happen as well, even more embarrassing, at the customer when
suddenly they find themselves in the code page with a yellow highlight.  Has
there been no fix for this from MS?

Rocky

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Dettman" <jimdettman at earthlink.net>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 9:08 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Bug Report


> John,
>
>  I've seen what your seeing.  I've also had cases where code breaks on a
> line where a breakpoint was but is no longer after the code has been
> changed
> (lines inserted or deleted).  I've even had it break on *blank* lines in
> some cases<g>.  I can push the lines around as you say and watch things
> change.
>
> <<I am convinced that the source code that you see on the screen has other
> things in the text stream, things that are not visible to you, the
> developer. >>
>
>  Basically it boils down to the fact that the source code is out of synch
> with the p-code or as your saying, the p-code is hosed.  Since they are
> stored separately, it is easy for this to happen.
>
> Good time to use /decompile<g>.
>
> Jim.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John W. Colby
> Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 11:53 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Bug Report
>
>
> Was it the actual line that called the other block?  This one is just "any
> old line of code".  It always occurs in the OnOpen of the form, where I am
> initializing classes, etc.  By setting up debug.Print statements through
> the
> OnOpen I am able to nail down what exact line of code it is, but it
> doesn't
> occur every time the form opens so it is a pita to step through to
> actually
> watch the close happen.  I have caused the close to move around however,
> even "pushing it out the end" of the OnOpen back into the function that
> opens the form.  Truly bizarre.
>
> I have seen this kind of stuff before however.  Back when I was working on
> C2DbFrameWiz (the error handler insertion wizard) I would get instances
> where the code that inserted the code into a module would just cause a
> close.  It was very similar, I could "track it down" to a single line of
> code.  I could go up to the previous line, type in the same code character
> for character, then delete the line causing the code and the problem would
> "go away" for awhile.  OTOH, If I cut the line out to the paste buffer and
> pasted it back in again, I would still have the issue.
>
> I am convinced that the source code that you see on the screen has other
> things in the text stream, things that are not visible to you, the
> developer.  Kind of like the old Word Perfect "show codes" where you would
> cause other formatting stuff to appear.  I am convinced that the text
> stream
> gets something embedded in it and once that something is in the string,
> you
> are hosed.
>
> In this case (my current application) I have gone so far as to import the
> entire FE into a new blank MDB and the problem still exists.  I do not get
> the "corrupted form" kind of thing that occurs with the A2K / AXP vb dll
> version issue, i.e. the form module is not "corrupted" at least not
> corrupted so badly that it won't export.
>
> This is a bizarre one and very irritating to my users as you might
> imagine.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
> http://folding.stanford.edu/
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
> Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 11:30 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Bug Report
>
>
> I saw behavior like that in one of my apps once, John.  I finally tracked
> it
> down to mixing DAO and ADO, that is, a DAO code block calling out to an
> ADO
> block, or vice versa.  I scrubbed my code thoroughly to prevent said
> circumstance and the problem went away.  One of the steps I took was to
> rename my routines so that I could tell at a glance whether they were ADO
> or
> DAO.
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
> Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 5:52 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Bug Report
>
>
> LOL.  There is no resolving this bug.  Access just shuts down.  Step
> through
> the code and hit one specific line it just closes.  Not exactly something
> I
> can fix.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
> http://folding.stanford.edu/
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
> Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 8:44 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Bug Report
>
>
> Well - MS is really loosening up!  They won't charge you if it really does
> turn out to be a bug.  I had to solve my bug myself for them to not charge
> me!
>
> Best of Luck!
>
> Dan Waters
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby
> Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 6:41 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: [AccessD] Bug Report
>
> The following is the response I got to my bug report:
>
> Hello John,
>
> Thank you for contacting Microsoft Online Customer Service.
>
> I appreciate the time you have taken to provide us with the feedback. As a
> Customer Service Representative, I can assist you with the support options
> available with your Microsoft product. You can report bugs by postal mail
> to
> the following address:
>
> Attn: Office Development Group
> Microsoft Corporation
> One Microsoft Way
> Redmond, WA 98052
>
> The letter should include a complete description of the bug including the
> actions, software, and hardware associated with the bug and whether or not
> it is consistently reproducible.
>
> You may also contact Microsoft Customer Service and speak with a support
> professional about the issue and have a support case created. This method
> will require you to utilize the standard options of support that are
> available for your copy of Microsoft product initially. Once the support
> professional is able to determine that the problem is a bug with the
> software, they will not decrement the incident from warranty support or
> account or issue a refund of any credit card charges if applicable.
>
> You may contact  Microsoft Developer Support Team at (800) 936-5800. They
> are available 24 hours a day.  They will be able to assist you.
>
> John, I hope your issue gets resolved.
>
> Thank you for using Microsoft products and services.
>
> Benoy
> Microsoft Online Customer Service Representative
>
> If you have any feedback about your Online Customer Service experience
> please E-mail my manager Rahul Rajgopal at managers at microsoft.com
>
>
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Aug 16 06:14:30 2005
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 07:14:30 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas
In-Reply-To: <000e01c5a230$049f5d10$2c1f0c54@minster33c3r25>
Message-ID: <004001c5a253$afa50520$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

Oooooohhh I have a great idea for that one.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 2:59 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas


Hi Bryan
Really sorry to hear that.

How about the long-awaited v2 of BEU?

-- Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Bryan Carbonnell
> Sent: 16 August 2005 03:05
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas
> 
> 
> On 15 Aug 2005 at 21:52, John W. Colby wrote:
> 
> > Why don't I ever get these situations?  8-(
> 
> Cause you really don't want to be in this situation. :))
> 
> --
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> Never test for a bug you don't know how to fix.
> 
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Aug 16 06:16:33 2005
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 07:16:33 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Bug Report
In-Reply-To: <NDEALJOEGMMPCDKIFGNFKELDEKAA.jimdettman@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <004101c5a253$f8ef1310$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

A /decompile / compile / compact / repair has always fixed it for me.  

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 6:17 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Bug Report


Rocky,

  None that I'm aware of.  I usually do a /decompile as soon as I see the
weird stuff start to happen.

  That pretty much clears it up.  If not, I go to a backup.

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
Beach Access Software
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 4:36 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Bug Report


Jim:

"code breaks on a line where a breakpoint was but is no longer"

I've had this happen as well, even more embarrassing, at the customer when
suddenly they find themselves in the code page with a yellow highlight.  Has
there been no fix for this from MS?

Rocky




From jimdettman at earthlink.net  Tue Aug 16 06:31:08 2005
From: jimdettman at earthlink.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 07:31:08 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Bug Report
In-Reply-To: <004101c5a253$f8ef1310$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <NDEALJOEGMMPCDKIFGNFOELHEKAA.jimdettman@earthlink.net>

John,

  I thought you said the other day that this didn't work for you?

"Yea, I've seen this too.  Breaks even though the breakbpoint was removed.
I
think it is the same issue, i.e. "invisible stuff" in the source code that
is not properly stripped out.

Unfortunately /decompile does not help in this case.  All that /decompile
does is throw out the pcode stream forcing a recompile of the entire source
code stream.  If the source stream is bad then the next compile will just
recreate the bad pcode."

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 7:17 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Bug Report


A /decompile / compile / compact / repair has always fixed it for me.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 6:17 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Bug Report


Rocky,

  None that I'm aware of.  I usually do a /decompile as soon as I see the
weird stuff start to happen.

  That pretty much clears it up.  If not, I go to a backup.

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
Beach Access Software
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 4:36 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Bug Report


Jim:

"code breaks on a line where a breakpoint was but is no longer"

I've had this happen as well, even more embarrassing, at the customer when
suddenly they find themselves in the code page with a yellow highlight.  Has
there been no fix for this from MS?

Rocky


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From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Tue Aug 16 06:39:48 2005
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps - IT Helps)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 13:39:48 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Bug Report
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF1B5DE4@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

Had this dozen of times.
Enter a extra line (may be blanc) before or after the invisible
breakpoint and compile/save again.

Erwin


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 1:31 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Bug Report

John,

  I thought you said the other day that this didn't work for you?

"Yea, I've seen this too.  Breaks even though the breakbpoint was
removed.
I
think it is the same issue, i.e. "invisible stuff" in the source code
that is not properly stripped out.

Unfortunately /decompile does not help in this case.  All that
/decompile does is throw out the pcode stream forcing a recompile of the
entire source code stream.  If the source stream is bad then the next
compile will just recreate the bad pcode."

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 7:17 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Bug Report


A /decompile / compile / compact / repair has always fixed it for me.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 6:17 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Bug Report


Rocky,

  None that I'm aware of.  I usually do a /decompile as soon as I see
the weird stuff start to happen.

  That pretty much clears it up.  If not, I go to a backup.

Jim.

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
Beach Access Software
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 4:36 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Bug Report


Jim:

"code breaks on a line where a breakpoint was but is no longer"

I've had this happen as well, even more embarrassing, at the customer
when suddenly they find themselves in the code page with a yellow
highlight.  Has there been no fix for this from MS?

Rocky


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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Aug 16 06:57:35 2005
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 07:57:35 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Bug Report
In-Reply-To: <NDEALJOEGMMPCDKIFGNFOELHEKAA.jimdettman@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <004201c5a259$b0d252d0$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

Oh, sorry.  I was discussing my particular bug, not the "breakpoint" case.

/decompile definitely has always solved the cases I've seen of the
"breakpoint" issue.  And I see it quite often.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 7:31 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Bug Report


John,

  I thought you said the other day that this didn't work for you?

"Yea, I've seen this too.  Breaks even though the breakbpoint was removed. I
think it is the same issue, i.e. "invisible stuff" in the source code that
is not properly stripped out.

Unfortunately /decompile does not help in this case.  All that /decompile
does is throw out the pcode stream forcing a recompile of the entire source
code stream.  If the source stream is bad then the next compile will just
recreate the bad pcode."

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 7:17 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Bug Report


A /decompile / compile / compact / repair has always fixed it for me.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 6:17 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Bug Report


Rocky,

  None that I'm aware of.  I usually do a /decompile as soon as I see the
weird stuff start to happen.

  That pretty much clears it up.  If not, I go to a backup.

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
Beach Access Software
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 4:36 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Bug Report


Jim:

"code breaks on a line where a breakpoint was but is no longer"

I've had this happen as well, even more embarrassing, at the customer when
suddenly they find themselves in the code page with a yellow highlight.  Has
there been no fix for this from MS?

Rocky


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From prosoft6 at hotmail.com  Tue Aug 16 07:50:52 2005
From: prosoft6 at hotmail.com (Julie Reardon-Taylor)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 08:50:52 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas
In-Reply-To: <s301ae37.009@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <BAY104-F11C0546937BA8EAFAB50889AB00@phx.gbl>

Bryan,

Where are you located?  I know of a company who is trying to fill sixteen IT 
positions this fall.



Julie Reardon-Taylor
PRO-SOFT OF NY, INC.
44 Public Square Suite #5
Watertown, NY 13601
Phone/Fax: (315) 785-0319
www.pro-soft.net




From garykjos at gmail.com  Tue Aug 16 07:57:55 2005
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 07:57:55 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Database close bug (apparently) resolved
In-Reply-To: <002501c5a1fe$388e4460$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>
References: <002501c5a1fe$388e4460$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <aea6c49505081605573fcce8f2@mail.gmail.com>

Hooray!  Perseverance wins again John!

On 8/15/05, John W. Colby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
> Well...
> 
> It appears that my bug has been resolved.
> 

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From prosoft6 at hotmail.com  Tue Aug 16 08:35:07 2005
From: prosoft6 at hotmail.com (Julie Reardon-Taylor)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 09:35:07 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] New Record Appearing on Top
Message-ID: <BAY104-F21A6D9BA44685DEE3470A59AB00@phx.gbl>

I have seen this question posted before and cannot remember the response.  A 
client has asked that the "new" record in a continuous form appear at the 
top.  I know that Access doesn't work that way.....but is there a way to do 
this?



Julie Reardon-Taylor
PRO-SOFT OF NY, INC.
44 Public Square Suite #5
Watertown, NY 13601
Phone/Fax: (315) 785-0319
www.pro-soft.net




From paul.hartland at isharp.co.uk  Tue Aug 16 08:41:49 2005
From: paul.hartland at isharp.co.uk (Paul Hartland (ISHARP))
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 14:41:49 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] New Record Appearing on Top
In-Reply-To: <BAY104-F21A6D9BA44685DEE3470A59AB00@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAC4AAAAAAAAAclrM129q6km1GlSfRwF8CgEAFKerAD79REu7GTojEo2iDgAAAAddkgAAEAAAAA9a2mmb1u1Jlqoi/fzDKh4BAAAAAA==@isharp.co.uk>

The way I used to do this is if you have something like an autonumber on the
table for the new record, is sort the subform on the Autonumber in
descending order 

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Julie
Reardon-Taylor
Sent: 16 August 2005 14:35
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] New Record Appearing on Top

I have seen this question posted before and cannot remember the response.  A
client has asked that the "new" record in a continuous form appear at the
top.  I know that Access doesn't work that way.....but is there a way to do
this?



Julie Reardon-Taylor
PRO-SOFT OF NY, INC.
44 Public Square Suite #5
Watertown, NY 13601
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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Tue Aug 16 08:48:20 2005
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 08:48:20 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] New Record Appearing on Top
In-Reply-To: <4640397.1124198665347.JavaMail.root@sniper21>
Message-ID: <000001c5a269$2bb3b2f0$0300a8c0@danwaters>

Julie,

Yes - and it's a nice feature.  

The way to do this is to create fields directly above the subform container
that mimic the fields in the continuous form.  These fields will be unbound.
A user will fill in these fields and push a Save button when done.  The save
button will cause the data in the unbound fields to be inserted into the
table behind the subform.  If your subform is sorted in descending order by
it's autonumber field, then the new record will display at the top of the
subform.

I use this method in an hours tracking database.  The Save button's click
event code is shown below:

Private Sub butSaveHours_Click()
    
    Dim stgSQL As String
    
    stgSQL = "INSERT INTO tblHours (ClientID, Category, SubCategory, Hours,
ActivityDate, Description)" _
        & " VALUES (" & txtClientID & ", '" & cboCategory & "', '" &
cboSubCategory & "', " & txtHours & ", '" & txtActivityDate & "', '" &
memDescription & "');"
    DoCmd.SetWarnings False
    DoCmd.RunSQL stgSQL
    DoCmd.SetWarnings True
    
    cboCategory = Null
    cboSubCategory = Null
    txtHours = Null
    txtActivityDate = Null
    memDescription = Null

    Me.Refresh
    
    cboCategory.SetFocus
    butSaveHours.Enabled = False
    
End Sub

Note that the ClientID field is the Primary Key for the main table and is
also the Foreign Key for the related sub table.

HTH,
Dan Waters

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Julie
Reardon-Taylor
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 8:35 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] New Record Appearing on Top

I have seen this question posted before and cannot remember the response.  A

client has asked that the "new" record in a continuous form appear at the 
top.  I know that Access doesn't work that way.....but is there a way to do 
this?



Julie Reardon-Taylor
PRO-SOFT OF NY, INC.
44 Public Square Suite #5
Watertown, NY 13601
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From prosoft6 at hotmail.com  Tue Aug 16 09:10:05 2005
From: prosoft6 at hotmail.com (Julie Reardon-Taylor)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 10:10:05 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] New Record Appearing on Top
In-Reply-To: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAC4AAAAAAAAAclrM129q6km1GlSfRwF8CgEAFKerAD79REu7GTojEo2iDgAAAAddkgAAEAAAAA9a2mmb1u1Jlqoi/fzDKh4BAAAAAA==@isharp.co.uk>
Message-ID: <BAY104-F42323A8D02FF49AF44E8879AB00@phx.gbl>

Thanks Dan and Paul.  Very useful info, I'll try it.  As always, this group 
is awesome!!!!!



Julie Reardon-Taylor
PRO-SOFT OF NY, INC.
44 Public Square Suite #5
Watertown, NY 13601
Phone/Fax: (315) 785-0319
www.pro-soft.net




From adtp at touchtelindia.net  Tue Aug 16 09:27:37 2005
From: adtp at touchtelindia.net (A.D.Tejpal)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 19:57:37 +0530
Subject: [AccessD] New Record Appearing on Top
References: <BAY104-F21A6D9BA44685DEE3470A59AB00@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <009401c5a26e$cee95e70$891865cb@winxp>

Julie,

    My sample db named AddDataAtTop might be of interest to you. It is available at Rogers Access Library (other developers library). Link - http://www.rogersaccesslibrary.com

    The sample demonstrates three styles of data entry at top of a subform -
    (a) Continuous Form Display (Using Command Button) - 
        Data is entered via unbound text boxes in subform header, using command button on the parent form. Freshly added Record is highlighted in green, while other recent records added in current session are shown in orange.
    (b) Datasheet Display (Using Command Button) - 
        On clicking the command button on parent form, fresh blank record (highlighted in green) is presented at the top of subform for enabling data entry. Recent records added in current session are shown in orange.
    (c) Datasheet Display (Auto - No command button) -
        On opening the main form, user is presented with fresh blank record (highlighted in green) at the top of subform. As soon as data entry commences in this record, its back color changes to yellow, while another fresh blank record (in green) is offered at top. All other recent records added in current session are shown in orange.

    You could adapt the underlying approach suitably, for your specific needs.

Best wishes,
A.D.Tejpal
--------------

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Julie Reardon-Taylor 
  To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 19:05
  Subject: [AccessD] New Record Appearing on Top


  I have seen this question posted before and cannot remember the response.  A client has asked that the "new" record in a continuous form appear at the top.  I know that Access doesn't work that way.....but is there a way to do this?

  Julie Reardon-Taylor
  PRO-SOFT OF NY, INC.
  44 Public Square Suite #5
  Watertown, NY 13601
  Phone/Fax: (315) 785-0319
  www.pro-soft.net


From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Tue Aug 16 09:31:15 2005
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 15:31:15 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] New Record Appearing on Top
Message-ID: <20050816143112.85AC024DEB6@smtp.nildram.co.uk>

I don't know if you use BEU, Julie, but if you do that gives an example of
what Dan's describing.

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Subject: RE: [AccessD] New Record Appearing on Top
Date: 16/08/05 14:11


Thanks Dan and Paul. Very useful info, I'll try it. As always, this group
is awesome!!!!!



Julie Reardon-Taylor
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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Tue Aug 16 09:47:11 2005
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 09:47:11 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Excel VBA Cell Selection Syntax (x-posted)
Message-ID: <000201c5a271$63f85370$0300a8c0@danwaters>

Hello to All,

I'm struggling with syntax for the selection of cells when trying to use row
and column indexes.  Below is an example:

Example A:
    Worksheets("Available Items").Range("A2:B123").Select

Example B:
    Worksheets("Available Items").Range(Cells(2, 1), Cells(123, 2)).Select

Example A works fine, but B does not.  Both are from Excel Help files (see
the Range Property).  Once this works I will substitute a variable for the
123 value.

Thanks!
Dan Waters



From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue Aug 16 10:39:33 2005
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 08:39:33 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] New Record Appearing on Top
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86873BB7@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Others have given you chapter and verse on approaches to this, so let me
ask you a question:  Is the client going to be happy with the new rows
falling to the bottom of the list after they're added "at the top"?
Depending on the default sort for the form/subform, that row just added
at the top may disappear entirely from the visible records.  That is
something clients frequently overlook when asking for a feature like
this, and it needs to be discussed before you go to a lot of effort to
provide something they're going to decide they don't like.  

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Julie Reardon-Taylor [mailto:prosoft6 at hotmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 6:35 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] New Record Appearing on Top


I have seen this question posted before and cannot remember the
response.  A 
client has asked that the "new" record in a continuous form appear at
the 
top.  I know that Access doesn't work that way.....but is there a way to
do 
this?



Julie Reardon-Taylor
PRO-SOFT OF NY, INC.
44 Public Square Suite #5
Watertown, NY 13601
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue Aug 16 10:43:17 2005
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 08:43:17 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86873BB8@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Bryan,

Get the student version and dive into VB.Net.  It takes time to learn
but the results are well worth it.

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Bryan Carbonnell [mailto:carbonnb at sympatico.ca] 
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 6:45 PM
To: access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas


I have found myself in a situation that gives me an inordinate amount 
of free time and I'm looking for some ideas to fill my time.

I am thinking of something that would make development easier or a 
specifc app that would greatly help developers. I need something to 
keep my mind active and fingers busy :)

It can be anything from Access to Word to Excel (Office 2K), even VB 
6.

I'm open to any and all suggestion. And If I can learn something new, 
that would be even better.

Let the flood gates open :-)

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From R.Griffiths at bury.gov.uk  Tue Aug 16 10:46:56 2005
From: R.Griffiths at bury.gov.uk (Griffiths, Richard)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 16:46:56 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Update BE
Message-ID: <200508161536.j7GFan926891@smarthost.yourcomms.net>

Hi

After advice/resources.

I have written an application using vb.net which is to run with A2K BE
and SQL 2000 BE.
I am trying to think about how to update the back end.  I have a number
of options, one being to write VB code and using DAO or ADO update the
BE. But I think this will involve  further deployment of VB and Jet/Vba
and MS Access (runtime) etc.
The other option (no doubt there are others) is to write CREATE TABLE
and ALTER TABLE statements (and this can be deployed within a exe
running vb.net).  I think this is tidier, however there is not much
documentation on this process ( CREATE TABLE and ALTER TABLE etc) for MS
Access.  Does anyone have code and/or can offer good sources on the web
to help me here.  Any other solutions?

Many thanks

Richard




From Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com  Tue Aug 16 10:44:29 2005
From: Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com (Hale, Jim)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 10:44:29 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Excel VBA Cell Selection Syntax (x-posted)
Message-ID: <6A6AA9DF57E4F046BDA1E273BDDB6772337787@corp-es01.fleetpride.com>

try (runs from within Excel. If you want to run from inside Access you will
need an Excel object)

Function test()
Dim wsItems As Worksheet
Set wsItems = Worksheets("Available Items")
wsItems.Range(wsItems.Cells(2, 1), wsItems.Cells(123, 2)).Select
Set wsItems = Nothing
End Function

Jim Hale

-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Waters [mailto:dwaters at usinternet.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 9:47 AM
To: DBA-Tech; AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Excel VBA Cell Selection Syntax (x-posted)


Hello to All,

I'm struggling with syntax for the selection of cells when trying to use row
and column indexes.  Below is an example:

Example A:
    Worksheets("Available Items").Range("A2:B123").Select

Example B:
    Worksheets("Available Items").Range(Cells(2, 1), Cells(123, 2)).Select

Example A works fine, but B does not.  Both are from Excel Help files (see
the Range Property).  Once this works I will substitute a variable for the
123 value.

Thanks!
Dan Waters

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue Aug 16 10:46:51 2005
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 08:46:51 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Database close bug (apparently) resolved
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86873BB9@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Glad you found the problem and the answer, John.  One of the plagues on
my existence is when all the code runs as you step through it and then
throws an error on the End Sub line!!  Tracking that down usually has me
beating my head against the walls because the error in question is often
entirely unrelated to the sub itself! :-{

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 6:03 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Database close bug (apparently) resolved


Well...

It appears that my bug has been resolved.

The form in question has a combo, the list for which is a result of a
state machine.  IOW, if you are in state A, then you can go to state B,
D, F or G but not C, E etc.

Thus the list for the combo has to be calculated as the form opens based
on the current state, a SQL statement generated and placed in the combo
rowsource property.  In fact, for troubleshooting purposes, I had a
saved querydef which I modified with the results of this calculated SQL
Statement, then placed the name of the saved query in the combo's
RowSource property after the calculation, and modification of the
querydef.

Once I knew that it was this class that was causing the issue, I was
able to "divide and conquer" (comment out statements until it was found)
and discovered that it was the process of modifying the saved querydef
that was causing the unexpected close.  The combo RowSource is set to
the name of the saved query when the form opens, then the RowSource is
set to "" (cleared), the querydef opened and the SQL property modified
with the calculated SQL statement and closed, then the name of the query
placed back in the combo which causes the combo to "requery" and pull
the data per the SQL statement and display that dataset.

For whatever reason, that modify/save/store in combo process was causing
the close issue.  By simply deleting the named query from the combo's
RowSource, then placing the SQL statement itself directly in the combo,
the database no longer closes unexpectedly.  Now I have to do a "Find"
to make sure that the stored query is not used any where else after the
combo is loaded, and if not, I can just leave things as they are with a
note in the commented out code to indicate that it caused my "database
close" issue.

What a PITA.  And why doesn't Access close immediately (or better yet,
throw an error if it doesn't like this?) when I am screwing around with
the querydef instead of after OnCurrent finishes?  And what is it that
makes it OS sensitive?  All things I will no doubt never see the answer
to.

But... I have fixed my problem.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Tue Aug 16 11:13:52 2005
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 11:13:52 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Excel VBA Cell Selection Syntax (x-posted)
In-Reply-To: <4467491.1124207341552.JavaMail.root@sniper17>
Message-ID: <000001c5a27d$813b0e30$0300a8c0@danwaters>

Hi Jim,

Well - I got the same 1004 (Select Method of Range Class Failed) error.  I
am running from within Excel.

However, when I held the mouse over the wsItems.Cells phrase, intellisense
displayed the value of that cell.  Seems like a step forward but more is
needed.

Dan Waters


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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hale, Jim
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 10:44 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT - Excel VBA Cell Selection Syntax (x-posted)

try (runs from within Excel. If you want to run from inside Access you will
need an Excel object)

Function test()
Dim wsItems As Worksheet
Set wsItems = Worksheets("Available Items")
wsItems.Range(wsItems.Cells(2, 1), wsItems.Cells(123, 2)).Select
Set wsItems = Nothing
End Function

Jim Hale

-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Waters [mailto:dwaters at usinternet.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 9:47 AM
To: DBA-Tech; AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Excel VBA Cell Selection Syntax (x-posted)


Hello to All,

I'm struggling with syntax for the selection of cells when trying to use row
and column indexes.  Below is an example:

Example A:
    Worksheets("Available Items").Range("A2:B123").Select

Example B:
    Worksheets("Available Items").Range(Cells(2, 1), Cells(123, 2)).Select

Example A works fine, but B does not.  Both are from Excel Help files (see
the Range Property).  Once this works I will substitute a variable for the
123 value.

Thanks!
Dan Waters

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From prosoft6 at hotmail.com  Tue Aug 16 11:31:48 2005
From: prosoft6 at hotmail.com (Julie Reardon-Taylor)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 12:31:48 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] New Record Appearing on Top
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86873BB7@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <BAY104-F399A680E9A360EC3228DA09AB00@phx.gbl>

Good point Charlotte.  I don't really like it either.....and certainly have 
given the client what they want, only to have to turn around and "re-do" 
what they thought was a great thing.  Thank you for your thoughts.



Julie Reardon-Taylor
PRO-SOFT OF NY, INC.
44 Public Square Suite #5
Watertown, NY 13601
Phone/Fax: (315) 785-0319
www.pro-soft.net




From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Tue Aug 16 11:29:48 2005
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (DWUTKA at marlow.com)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 11:29:48 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas
Message-ID: <123701F54509D9119A4F00D0B747349016DD4A@main2.marlow.com>

How about a master table-linker service?  Create a service that can be run
on any machine in the network, which 'knows' the location of all linked
tables.  One module in the database runs at startup, 'scans' the network for
the 'server' which tells it if it needs to relink it's tables or not.

I've got code for the scanning portion.....

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Bryan Carbonnell [mailto:carbonnb at sympatico.ca]
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 8:45 PM
To: access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas


I have found myself in a situation that gives me an inordinate amount 
of free time and I'm looking for some ideas to fill my time.

I am thinking of something that would make development easier or a 
specifc app that would greatly help developers. I need something to 
keep my mind active and fingers busy :)

It can be anything from Access to Word to Excel (Office 2K), even VB 
6.

I'm open to any and all suggestion. And If I can learn something new, 
that would be even better.

Let the flood gates open :-)

-- 
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca
Don't cry because it's over; smile because it happened. 


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From Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com  Tue Aug 16 11:43:49 2005
From: Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com (Hale, Jim)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 11:43:49 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Excel VBA Cell Selection Syntax (x-posted)
Message-ID: <6A6AA9DF57E4F046BDA1E273BDDB6772337789@corp-es01.fleetpride.com>

This function works fine in my test workbook. Is "available items" correct,
ie. no leading or trailing spaces in the name? Also, make sure wsItems is
dimmed as a worksheet not worksheets.
Jim Hale

-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Waters [mailto:dwaters at usinternet.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 11:14 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT - Excel VBA Cell Selection Syntax (x-posted)


Hi Jim,

Well - I got the same 1004 (Select Method of Range Class Failed) error.  I
am running from within Excel.

However, when I held the mouse over the wsItems.Cells phrase, intellisense
displayed the value of that cell.  Seems like a step forward but more is
needed.

Dan Waters


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hale, Jim
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 10:44 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT - Excel VBA Cell Selection Syntax (x-posted)

try (runs from within Excel. If you want to run from inside Access you will
need an Excel object)

Function test()
Dim wsItems As Worksheet
Set wsItems = Worksheets("Available Items")
wsItems.Range(wsItems.Cells(2, 1), wsItems.Cells(123, 2)).Select
Set wsItems = Nothing
End Function

Jim Hale

-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Waters [mailto:dwaters at usinternet.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 9:47 AM
To: DBA-Tech; AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Excel VBA Cell Selection Syntax (x-posted)


Hello to All,

I'm struggling with syntax for the selection of cells when trying to use row
and column indexes.  Below is an example:

Example A:
    Worksheets("Available Items").Range("A2:B123").Select

Example B:
    Worksheets("Available Items").Range(Cells(2, 1), Cells(123, 2)).Select

Example A works fine, but B does not.  Both are from Excel Help files (see
the Range Property).  Once this works I will substitute a variable for the
123 value.

Thanks!
Dan Waters

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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Tue Aug 16 13:53:38 2005
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 13:53:38 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Excel VBA Cell Selection Syntax (x-posted)
In-Reply-To: <23876804.1124210819788.JavaMail.root@sniper17>
Message-ID: <000001c5a293$d2132750$0300a8c0@danwaters>

Yes, it is correct.

I'm going to try creating a new workbook and copy everything over, just in
case there is something wrong with the file itself.

Dan Waters


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hale, Jim
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 11:44 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT - Excel VBA Cell Selection Syntax (x-posted)

This function works fine in my test workbook. Is "available items" correct,
ie. no leading or trailing spaces in the name? Also, make sure wsItems is
dimmed as a worksheet not worksheets.
Jim Hale

-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Waters [mailto:dwaters at usinternet.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 11:14 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT - Excel VBA Cell Selection Syntax (x-posted)


Hi Jim,

Well - I got the same 1004 (Select Method of Range Class Failed) error.  I
am running from within Excel.

However, when I held the mouse over the wsItems.Cells phrase, intellisense
displayed the value of that cell.  Seems like a step forward but more is
needed.

Dan Waters


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hale, Jim
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 10:44 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT - Excel VBA Cell Selection Syntax (x-posted)

try (runs from within Excel. If you want to run from inside Access you will
need an Excel object)

Function test()
Dim wsItems As Worksheet
Set wsItems = Worksheets("Available Items")
wsItems.Range(wsItems.Cells(2, 1), wsItems.Cells(123, 2)).Select
Set wsItems = Nothing
End Function

Jim Hale

-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Waters [mailto:dwaters at usinternet.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 9:47 AM
To: DBA-Tech; AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Excel VBA Cell Selection Syntax (x-posted)


Hello to All,

I'm struggling with syntax for the selection of cells when trying to use row
and column indexes.  Below is an example:

Example A:
    Worksheets("Available Items").Range("A2:B123").Select

Example B:
    Worksheets("Available Items").Range(Cells(2, 1), Cells(123, 2)).Select

Example A works fine, but B does not.  Both are from Excel Help files (see
the Range Property).  Once this works I will substitute a variable for the
123 value.

Thanks!
Dan Waters

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Aug 16 13:56:30 2005
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 14:56:30 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas
In-Reply-To: <BAY104-F11C0546937BA8EAFAB50889AB00@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <001f01c5a294$39f4ef20$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

What kind of wages?

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Julie
Reardon-Taylor
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 8:51 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas


Bryan,

Where are you located?  I know of a company who is trying to fill sixteen IT

positions this fall.



Julie Reardon-Taylor
PRO-SOFT OF NY, INC.
44 Public Square Suite #5
Watertown, NY 13601
Phone/Fax: (315) 785-0319
www.pro-soft.net


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From john at winhaven.net  Tue Aug 16 14:08:35 2005
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 14:08:35 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas
In-Reply-To: <BAYC1-PASMTP0207B39A1274386D8BD230AEB00@cez.ice>
Message-ID: <200508161908.j7GJ8aR24489@databaseadvisors.com>

Hi Bryan,
An ambitiuos question!

How about a set of classes for easily automating Word from Access?

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bryan Carbonnell
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 8:45 PM
To: access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas

I have found myself in a situation that gives me an inordinate amount of
free time and I'm looking for some ideas to fill my time.

I am thinking of something that would make development easier or a specifc
app that would greatly help developers. I need something to keep my mind
active and fingers busy :)

It can be anything from Access to Word to Excel (Office 2K), even VB 6.

I'm open to any and all suggestion. And If I can learn something new, that
would be even better.

Let the flood gates open :-)

--
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because it happened. 


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From Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com  Tue Aug 16 14:25:20 2005
From: Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com (Hale, Jim)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 14:25:20 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas
Message-ID: <6A6AA9DF57E4F046BDA1E273BDDB677233778A@corp-es01.fleetpride.com>

One of my favorite Access books was "Access 95 How-To" by Ken Getz and Paul
Litwin. It was updated and re-released as the "Access Cookbook" by O'Reilly
in 2002. This book posed a problem and provided the solution together with a
detailed explanation. No extraneous junk. The reason I bring this up is that
I think an AccessD book organized along the same lines would make a
fantastic project. After all, the archives have hundreds of solution
unavailable elsewhere. AccessD could receive royalties along with the author
to allow the group to continue paying its modest bills. I presume releases
would be required from posters since some material (such as John's framework
tutorials) are intended for publication in their own book. As the authors on
this list can attest no book is an "easy" project but I think this would be
a win for AccessD, developers, and the author willing to take on the job. My
2 cents.

Jim Hale

-----Original Message-----
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 11:30 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas


How about a master table-linker service?  Create a service that can be run
on any machine in the network, which 'knows' the location of all linked
tables.  One module in the database runs at startup, 'scans' the network for
the 'server' which tells it if it needs to relink it's tables or not.

I've got code for the scanning portion.....

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Bryan Carbonnell [mailto:carbonnb at sympatico.ca]
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 8:45 PM
To: access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas


I have found myself in a situation that gives me an inordinate amount 
of free time and I'm looking for some ideas to fill my time.

I am thinking of something that would make development easier or a 
specifc app that would greatly help developers. I need something to 
keep my mind active and fingers busy :)

It can be anything from Access to Word to Excel (Office 2K), even VB 
6.

I'm open to any and all suggestion. And If I can learn something new, 
that would be even better.

Let the flood gates open :-)

-- 
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca
Don't cry because it's over; smile because it happened. 


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From john at winhaven.net  Tue Aug 16 14:25:46 2005
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 14:25:46 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Welcome to New Subscribers
Message-ID: <200508161925.j7GJPmR28409@databaseadvisors.com>

We've had quite a few new subscribers lately and I just want to say welcome
to all of you!
 
Although you are welcome to just read the mail coming through from others,
or browse our archives, please feel free to ask questions or post comments.
 
We strive for a friendly, community-like attitude here and we all try to
help each other as much as possible. No one gets flamed here for asking
Access related questions at any level!
 
 
Once again, Welcome to our group,
John Bartow, President
Database Advisors, Inc.
Email:  <mailto:president at databaseadvisors.com>
mailto:president at databaseadvisors.com
Website:  <http://www.databaseadvisors.com/> http://www.databaseadvisors.com





From jmhecht at earthlink.net  Tue Aug 16 14:45:23 2005
From: jmhecht at earthlink.net (Joe Hecht)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 12:45:23 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas
In-Reply-To: <BAYC1-PASMTP0207B39A1274386D8BD230AEB00@cez.ice>
Message-ID: <001b01c5a29b$0b6d4bf0$6401a8c0@laptop1>

Voice command app that would automatically write John Colby Classes and code
for you.

Joe Hecht
Los Angeles CA

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bryan Carbonnell
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 6:45 PM
To: access at joe2.endjunk.com; access Developers discussion and problem
solving
Subject: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas

I have found myself in a situation that gives me an inordinate amount 
of free time and I'm looking for some ideas to fill my time.

I am thinking of something that would make development easier or a 
specifc app that would greatly help developers. I need something to 
keep my mind active and fingers busy :)

It can be anything from Access to Word to Excel (Office 2K), even VB 
6.

I'm open to any and all suggestion. And If I can learn something new, 
that would be even better.

Let the flood gates open :-)

-- 
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca
Don't cry because it's over; smile because it happened. 


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From jmhecht at earthlink.net  Tue Aug 16 14:47:11 2005
From: jmhecht at earthlink.net (Joe Hecht)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 12:47:11 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas
In-Reply-To: <BAY104-F11C0546937BA8EAFAB50889AB00@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <001c01c5a29b$4bb39ca0$6401a8c0@laptop1>

Julie 

Here in Los Angeles Maybe?

Joe Hecht
Los Angeles CA

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Julie
Reardon-Taylor
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 5:51 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas

Bryan,

Where are you located?  I know of a company who is trying to fill sixteen IT

positions this fall.



Julie Reardon-Taylor
PRO-SOFT OF NY, INC.
44 Public Square Suite #5
Watertown, NY 13601
Phone/Fax: (315) 785-0319
www.pro-soft.net


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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Tue Aug 16 14:49:43 2005
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 12:49:43 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Ajax and Atlas with XML
References: <s301ae37.009@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <43024357.8060104@shaw.ca>

If looking for xml info starter sites.

http://www.xml.org
http://www.xml.com
A vb oriented site was once vbxml.com
http://www.topxml.com

Try to buy XML books published in last 3 years otherwise
you wont get latest in XSLT and  XQuery. Old books maybe based on old 
XSL patterns
which might prove confusing.


Now here is the latest buzz in XML development with AJAX.

In computer programming, AJAX (Asynchronous JavaScript and XML) is a 
method of building interactive applications for the Web that process 
user requests immediately.Ajax allows content on Web pages to update 
immediately when a user performs an action, unlike an HTTP request, 
during which users must wait for a whole new page to load. For example, 
a weather forecasting site could display local conditions on one side of 
the page without delay after a user types in a zip code.
Google Map works this way. ATLAS is a downloadable javascript engine 
Microsoft  is supposed to bring out in September at some convention.

How difficult is this stuff well it is not rocket science. But an 
amalgam of 4 or 5 techniques. Ajax combines several programming tools 
including JavaScript, dynamic HTML (DHTML), Extensible Markup Language 
(XML), cascading style sheets (CSS), the Document Object Model (DOM), 
and the Microsoft object, XMLHttpRequest. After that you can use Web 
Services to grab the xml data. You could modify javascript to VBA too 
for use in Access.

Some sites where you can grab javascript source and  examples of Ajax or 
download them

http://www.clearnova.com/ajax/index.html
http://developer.apple.com/internet/webcontent/XMLHttpRequestExample/example.html

Articles
Dynamic HTML and xmlhttpRequest object
http://developer.apple.com/internet/webcontent/xmlhttpreq.html

Jesse Garrett  What is Ajax?  (The guy that gave it the name)
http://www.adaptivepath.com/publications/essays/archives/000385.php


Here is a elementary ajax sample just place the two files on your web 
server and run with java script enabled
through your favourite browser.

You can also run from hard disk directly in Netscape 7.0 but IE locally 
has security stops and uses file: protocol and not http: protocol so 
wont run correctly
without a lot of  fiddling with settings. Rather than use a object; 
might use document.innerhtml to get around for local use.

On my server these two files  
http://www5.brinkster.com/mconnelly/ajax/ajax.html

Save this file as UTF-8 not ANSI   ajax.html

<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN"
  "http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd">
<html lang="en" dir="ltr">
  <head>
    <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1">
    <title>Developing Web Applications with Ajax - Example</title>
<script type="text/javascript"><!--
function ajaxRead(file){
  var xmlObj = null;
  if(window.XMLHttpRequest){
      xmlObj = new XMLHttpRequest();
  } else if(window.ActiveXObject){
      xmlObj = new ActiveXObject("Microsoft.XMLHTTP");
  } else {
      return;
  }
  xmlObj.onreadystatechange = function(){
    if(xmlObj.readyState == 4){
       updateObj('xmlObj', 
xmlObj.responseXML.getElementsByTagName('data')[0].firstChild.data);
     }
    }
    xmlObj.open ('GET', file, true);
    xmlObj.send ('');
  }
  function updateObj(obj, data){
   document.getElementById(obj).firstChild.data = data;
  }
  //--></script>
  </head>
  <body>
    <h1>Developing Web Applications with Ajax</h1>
    <p>This page demonstrates the use of Asynchronous Javascript and XML 
(Ajax) technology to
    update a web page's content by reading from a remote file 
dynamically -- no page reloading
    is required. Note that this operation does not work for users 
without JavaScript enabled.</p>
    <p id="xmlObj">
    This is some sample data. It is the default data for this web page. 
<a href="data.xml"
    title="View the XML data." onclick="ajaxRead('data.xml'); 
this.style.display='none'; return false">View XML     data.</a>
    </p>
  </body>
</html>


 Save this file below as UTF-8 data.xml

<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
<root>
  <data>
    This is some sample data. It is stored in an XML file and retrieved 
by JavaScript.
  </data>
</root>




Gustav Brock wrote:

>Hi Bryan
>
>So no job? Or wife?? Is that what you are trying to tell?
>On the other hand (for the job option, cannot tell for the wife
>option), with your knowledge I would expect it to be easy for you to
>find some "new challenges" except, of course, if things are a little
>more complicated than they may appear to be ...
>
>Currently I'm facing some XML work. Haven't done anything with this and
>Access and hardly know where to look except browsing this list ...
>So an XML cookbook or guide is a suggestion.
>
>/gustav
>
>  
>
>>>>carbonnb at sympatico.ca 08/16 3:45 am >>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>I have found myself in a situation that gives me an inordinate amount 
>of free time and I'm looking for some ideas to fill my time.
>
>I am thinking of something that would make development easier or a 
>specifc app that would greatly help developers. I need something to 
>keep my mind active and fingers busy :)
>
>It can be anything from Access to Word to Excel (Office 2K), even VB 
>6.
>
>I'm open to any and all suggestion. And If I can learn something new, 
>that would be even better.
>
>Let the flood gates open :-)
>
>  
>

-- 
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada





From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Tue Aug 16 14:59:57 2005
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (DWUTKA at marlow.com)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 14:59:57 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas
Message-ID: <123701F54509D9119A4F00D0B747349016DD4C@main2.marlow.com>

That's easy, and requires no code or special hardware.  Just call up JC, and
tell him that you don't think his framework would hand XYZ...and let him
prove you wrong.  When he has given you proof, thank him, tell him he's
stellar, and a god among mortals, and walk away with completed JC Classes.

<grin>

Of course, the same method will work on me too....

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Hecht [mailto:jmhecht at earthlink.net]
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 2:45 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas


Voice command app that would automatically write John Colby Classes and code
for you.

Joe Hecht
Los Angeles CA

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bryan Carbonnell
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 6:45 PM
To: access at joe2.endjunk.com; access Developers discussion and problem
solving
Subject: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas

I have found myself in a situation that gives me an inordinate amount 
of free time and I'm looking for some ideas to fill my time.

I am thinking of something that would make development easier or a 
specifc app that would greatly help developers. I need something to 
keep my mind active and fingers busy :)

It can be anything from Access to Word to Excel (Office 2K), even VB 
6.

I'm open to any and all suggestion. And If I can learn something new, 
that would be even better.

Let the flood gates open :-)

-- 
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca
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From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com  Tue Aug 16 16:23:58 2005
From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 16:23:58 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Why is function being called??
Message-ID: <F1DD538AE6BCE74EBE562DE51564D322FABF60@houexch1.kindermorgan.com>

Below is a piece of code. DaysInMonth is a function. When the code runs
and hits the line  myds1.Fields(2) = Nz(myds4.Fields(8)) the function
runs. I don't see anything that is calling it. Your thoughts
appreciated.

 

Do Until myds4.EOF

    DaysinMonth = DaysInMonth2(myds3.Fields(1))

    If Day(myds3.Fields(1)) < DaysinMonth And RecordCounter = 1 Then

        StartCounter = Day(myds3.Fields(1))

        ProdDate = myds3.Fields(1)

    Else

        StartCounter = 1

        ProdDate = myds4.Fields(1)

    End If

        

    

    For I = StartCounter To DaysinMonth

        myds1.AddNew

            myds1.Fields(0) = ProdDate

            myds1.Fields(1) = myds4.Fields(0)

            myds1.Fields(2) = Nz(myds4.Fields(8))

        myds1.Update

        ProdDate = ProdDate + 1

    Next I

    RecordCounter = RecordCounter + 1

    myds4.MoveNext

Loop

 

Chester Kaup

Engineering Technician

Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP

Office (432) 688-3797

FAX (432) 688-3799

 

 

No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However a large
number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced.

 



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Aug 16 16:25:58 2005
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 17:25:58 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas
In-Reply-To: <123701F54509D9119A4F00D0B747349016DD4C@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <004e01c5a2a9$1bf1a080$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

ROTFLMAO.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 4:00 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas


That's easy, and requires no code or special hardware.  Just call up JC, and
tell him that you don't think his framework would hand XYZ...and let him
prove you wrong.  When he has given you proof, thank him, tell him he's
stellar, and a god among mortals, and walk away with completed JC Classes.

<grin>

Of course, the same method will work on me too....

Drew

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From: Joe Hecht [mailto:jmhecht at earthlink.net]
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 2:45 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas


Voice command app that would automatically write John Colby Classes and code
for you.

Joe Hecht
Los Angeles CA

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From pedro at plex.nl  Tue Aug 16 16:36:04 2005
From: pedro at plex.nl (Pedro Janssen)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 23:36:04 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] checkboxes aren't functioning
Message-ID: <00aa01c5a2aa$8221f250$fac581d5@pedro>

Hello Group,

how is it possible that suddenly on a form in almost al records certain checkboxes are working but in some records they don't function (are greyed out and can't make them "true" or "not true").
Nothing strange happened before.

Pedro Janssen


From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Tue Aug 16 16:36:35 2005
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (DWUTKA at marlow.com)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 16:36:35 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas
Message-ID: <123701F54509D9119A4F00D0B747349016DD50@main2.marlow.com>

<grin>, I was hoping you were going to get a good chuckle out of that.
Personally, I think that is one of the main factors why this list puts out
good tips, and is so helpful to people.  It's the 'chest pounding' factor.
Whether we want to admit it or not, we'll fall all over each other trying to
help someone because we want to show off a bit.  This is one of the rare
parts of our lives where people actually CAN appreciate how brilliant we all
our.... ;)

I tried explaining a process I was working on involving custom events and
classes to a fellow computer geek, and I got the glassy eyed look of
complete confusion.  

So to everyone on the list, we're all geniuses....so pat someone on the back
when you can, and get ready to be patted yourself.  Yes, to the rest of the
world we're a bunch of 'nerds', but wear that label with pride. (a few
tattoos and a decent weight training program will keep most of the 'nerd'
remarks in check....) ;)

Just keep in mind that while we all like to impress with our ideas, genius
comes with a lot of prejudice, so the occasional bound/unbound,
natural/surrogate key, and naming convention argument are simply a way of
maintaining our individuality in the world of massive neuron flux.  ;)

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 4:26 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas


ROTFLMAO.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of DWUTKA at marlow.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 4:00 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas


That's easy, and requires no code or special hardware.  Just call up JC, and
tell him that you don't think his framework would hand XYZ...and let him
prove you wrong.  When he has given you proof, thank him, tell him he's
stellar, and a god among mortals, and walk away with completed JC Classes.

<grin>

Of course, the same method will work on me too....

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Hecht [mailto:jmhecht at earthlink.net]
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 2:45 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas


Voice command app that would automatically write John Colby Classes and code
for you.

Joe Hecht
Los Angeles CA

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue Aug 16 16:54:03 2005
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 14:54:03 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] checkboxes aren't functioning
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86873BBA@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Not enough information to provide an answer.  If the checkboxes are
actually disabled on existing records, then I would suspect  code behind
the form disabling them depending on specific circumstances.

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Pedro Janssen [mailto:pedro at plex.nl] 
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 2:36 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] checkboxes aren't functioning


Hello Group,

how is it possible that suddenly on a form in almost al records certain
checkboxes are working but in some records they don't function (are
greyed out and can't make them "true" or "not true"). Nothing strange
happened before.

Pedro Janssen
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From karenr7 at oz.net  Tue Aug 16 17:14:16 2005
From: karenr7 at oz.net (Karen Rosenstiel)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 15:14:16 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] WIERD little problem
In-Reply-To: <7B1961ED924D1A459E378C9B1BB22B4C0492CC71@natexch.jenkens.com>
Message-ID: <200508162214.j7GMEER15199@databaseadvisors.com>

I have a simple little scheduling database, front end and back end. I tried
to print a report for tomorrow - a simple list - the database crashed. For
some strange reason I cannot print the reports I need for tomorrow, although
I could print reports for different dates - just not for tomorrow. It closed
itself down and tried to compact itself and send a report to MS. 

At that point, I discovered that one of staff left open the front end with a
little popup form from which you can view or print the reports wide open. I
got her out of a meeting to shut down her open Access and then deleted the
backup copies and the .ldb files. I could compact/repair the BE but not the
FE. 

Has anybody had anything like this happen before? Any suggestions? I need to
mention that I can't send the database to anybody for inspection because of
confidentiality restrictions (I work in a jail health clinic).

Thanks in advance.

Regards,

Karen Rosenstiel
Seattle WA USA 




From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Aug 16 17:26:45 2005
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 18:26:45 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas
In-Reply-To: <123701F54509D9119A4F00D0B747349016DD50@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <004f01c5a2b1$961ad860$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

>so the occasional bound/unbound, natural/surrogate key, and naming
convention argument are simply a way of maintaining our individuality in the
world of massive neuron flux.  ;)

No, unbound forms and surrogate keys are just superior.  ;-0  And of course
anyone who doesn't use a naming convention, specifically MY naming
convention is... a dolt.  <grin>

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of DWUTKA at marlow.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 5:37 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas


<grin>, I was hoping you were going to get a good chuckle out of that.
Personally, I think that is one of the main factors why this list puts out
good tips, and is so helpful to people.  It's the 'chest pounding' factor.
Whether we want to admit it or not, we'll fall all over each other trying to
help someone because we want to show off a bit.  This is one of the rare
parts of our lives where people actually CAN appreciate how brilliant we all
our.... ;)

I tried explaining a process I was working on involving custom events and
classes to a fellow computer geek, and I got the glassy eyed look of
complete confusion.  

So to everyone on the list, we're all geniuses....so pat someone on the back
when you can, and get ready to be patted yourself.  Yes, to the rest of the
world we're a bunch of 'nerds', but wear that label with pride. (a few
tattoos and a decent weight training program will keep most of the 'nerd'
remarks in check....) ;)

Just keep in mind that while we all like to impress with our ideas, genius
comes with a lot of prejudice, so the occasional bound/unbound,
natural/surrogate key, and naming convention argument are simply a way of
maintaining our individuality in the world of massive neuron flux.  ;)

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 4:26 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas


ROTFLMAO.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of DWUTKA at marlow.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 4:00 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas


That's easy, and requires no code or special hardware.  Just call up JC, and
tell him that you don't think his framework would hand XYZ...and let him
prove you wrong.  When he has given you proof, thank him, tell him he's
stellar, and a god among mortals, and walk away with completed JC Classes.

<grin>

Of course, the same method will work on me too....

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Hecht [mailto:jmhecht at earthlink.net]
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 2:45 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas


Voice command app that would automatically write John Colby Classes and code
for you.

Joe Hecht
Los Angeles CA

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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Tue Aug 16 17:34:36 2005
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 17:34:36 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas
In-Reply-To: <2947593.1124231500466.JavaMail.root@sniper15>
Message-ID: <000001c5a2b2$b055f970$0300a8c0@danwaters>

And one more idea is . . .

Create a Database Advisors approved naming convention!

JC - Can you publish the 1st draft?

Dan Waters


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 5:27 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas

>so the occasional bound/unbound, natural/surrogate key, and naming
convention argument are simply a way of maintaining our individuality in the
world of massive neuron flux.  ;)

No, unbound forms and surrogate keys are just superior.  ;-0  And of course
anyone who doesn't use a naming convention, specifically MY naming
convention is... a dolt.  <grin>

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of DWUTKA at marlow.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 5:37 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas


<grin>, I was hoping you were going to get a good chuckle out of that.
Personally, I think that is one of the main factors why this list puts out
good tips, and is so helpful to people.  It's the 'chest pounding' factor.
Whether we want to admit it or not, we'll fall all over each other trying to
help someone because we want to show off a bit.  This is one of the rare
parts of our lives where people actually CAN appreciate how brilliant we all
our.... ;)

I tried explaining a process I was working on involving custom events and
classes to a fellow computer geek, and I got the glassy eyed look of
complete confusion.  

So to everyone on the list, we're all geniuses....so pat someone on the back
when you can, and get ready to be patted yourself.  Yes, to the rest of the
world we're a bunch of 'nerds', but wear that label with pride. (a few
tattoos and a decent weight training program will keep most of the 'nerd'
remarks in check....) ;)

Just keep in mind that while we all like to impress with our ideas, genius
comes with a lot of prejudice, so the occasional bound/unbound,
natural/surrogate key, and naming convention argument are simply a way of
maintaining our individuality in the world of massive neuron flux.  ;)

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 4:26 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas


ROTFLMAO.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of DWUTKA at marlow.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 4:00 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas


That's easy, and requires no code or special hardware.  Just call up JC, and
tell him that you don't think his framework would hand XYZ...and let him
prove you wrong.  When he has given you proof, thank him, tell him he's
stellar, and a god among mortals, and walk away with completed JC Classes.

<grin>

Of course, the same method will work on me too....

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Hecht [mailto:jmhecht at earthlink.net]
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 2:45 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas


Voice command app that would automatically write John Colby Classes and code
for you.

Joe Hecht
Los Angeles CA

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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Tue Aug 16 17:34:17 2005
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 15:34:17 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Win 2000 R-bot worm out there
References: <200508162214.j7GMEER15199@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <430269E9.4050809@shaw.ca>

CNN and ABC news reporting a baddy out there shutting down news networks 
on Win 2000 machines

-- 
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada





From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Aug 16 17:39:15 2005
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 15:39:15 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Ajax and Atlas with XML
In-Reply-To: <43024357.8060104@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <0ILC009076XD12@l-daemon>

Hi Marty:

Just a note the Server page update sample. 

It initially shows the following line: This is some sample data. It is the
default data for this web page. View XML data.

.. and when clicking on the link: View XML data

.. the line then displays: This is some sample data. It is stored in an XML
file and retrieved by JavaScript.

.. and that is all. Is there supposed to be more displayed?

Jim

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Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 12:50 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Ajax and Atlas with XML

If looking for xml info starter sites.

http://www.xml.org
http://www.xml.com
A vb oriented site was once vbxml.com
http://www.topxml.com

Try to buy XML books published in last 3 years otherwise
you wont get latest in XSLT and  XQuery. Old books maybe based on old 
XSL patterns
which might prove confusing.


Now here is the latest buzz in XML development with AJAX.

In computer programming, AJAX (Asynchronous JavaScript and XML) is a 
method of building interactive applications for the Web that process 
user requests immediately.Ajax allows content on Web pages to update 
immediately when a user performs an action, unlike an HTTP request, 
during which users must wait for a whole new page to load. For example, 
a weather forecasting site could display local conditions on one side of 
the page without delay after a user types in a zip code.
Google Map works this way. ATLAS is a downloadable javascript engine 
Microsoft  is supposed to bring out in September at some convention.

How difficult is this stuff well it is not rocket science. But an 
amalgam of 4 or 5 techniques. Ajax combines several programming tools 
including JavaScript, dynamic HTML (DHTML), Extensible Markup Language 
(XML), cascading style sheets (CSS), the Document Object Model (DOM), 
and the Microsoft object, XMLHttpRequest. After that you can use Web 
Services to grab the xml data. You could modify javascript to VBA too 
for use in Access.

Some sites where you can grab javascript source and  examples of Ajax or 
download them

http://www.clearnova.com/ajax/index.html
http://developer.apple.com/internet/webcontent/XMLHttpRequestExample/example
.html

Articles
Dynamic HTML and xmlhttpRequest object
http://developer.apple.com/internet/webcontent/xmlhttpreq.html

Jesse Garrett  What is Ajax?  (The guy that gave it the name)
http://www.adaptivepath.com/publications/essays/archives/000385.php


Here is a elementary ajax sample just place the two files on your web 
server and run with java script enabled
through your favourite browser.

You can also run from hard disk directly in Netscape 7.0 but IE locally 
has security stops and uses file: protocol and not http: protocol so 
wont run correctly
without a lot of  fiddling with settings. Rather than use a object; 
might use document.innerhtml to get around for local use.

On my server these two files  
http://www5.brinkster.com/mconnelly/ajax/ajax.html

Save this file as UTF-8 not ANSI   ajax.html

<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN"
  "http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd">
<html lang="en" dir="ltr">
  <head>
    <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1">
    <title>Developing Web Applications with Ajax - Example</title>
<script type="text/javascript"><!--
function ajaxRead(file){
  var xmlObj = null;
  if(window.XMLHttpRequest){
      xmlObj = new XMLHttpRequest();
  } else if(window.ActiveXObject){
      xmlObj = new ActiveXObject("Microsoft.XMLHTTP");
  } else {
      return;
  }
  xmlObj.onreadystatechange = function(){
    if(xmlObj.readyState == 4){
       updateObj('xmlObj', 
xmlObj.responseXML.getElementsByTagName('data')[0].firstChild.data);
     }
    }
    xmlObj.open ('GET', file, true);
    xmlObj.send ('');
  }
  function updateObj(obj, data){
   document.getElementById(obj).firstChild.data = data;
  }
  //--></script>
  </head>
  <body>
    <h1>Developing Web Applications with Ajax</h1>
    <p>This page demonstrates the use of Asynchronous Javascript and XML 
(Ajax) technology to
    update a web page's content by reading from a remote file 
dynamically -- no page reloading
    is required. Note that this operation does not work for users 
without JavaScript enabled.</p>
    <p id="xmlObj">
    This is some sample data. It is the default data for this web page. 
<a href="data.xml"
    title="View the XML data." onclick="ajaxRead('data.xml'); 
this.style.display='none'; return false">View XML     data.</a>
    </p>
  </body>
</html>


 Save this file below as UTF-8 data.xml

<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
<root>
  <data>
    This is some sample data. It is stored in an XML file and retrieved 
by JavaScript.
  </data>
</root>




Gustav Brock wrote:

>Hi Bryan
>
>So no job? Or wife?? Is that what you are trying to tell?
>On the other hand (for the job option, cannot tell for the wife
>option), with your knowledge I would expect it to be easy for you to
>find some "new challenges" except, of course, if things are a little
>more complicated than they may appear to be ...
>
>Currently I'm facing some XML work. Haven't done anything with this and
>Access and hardly know where to look except browsing this list ...
>So an XML cookbook or guide is a suggestion.
>
>/gustav
>
>  
>
>>>>carbonnb at sympatico.ca 08/16 3:45 am >>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>I have found myself in a situation that gives me an inordinate amount 
>of free time and I'm looking for some ideas to fill my time.
>
>I am thinking of something that would make development easier or a 
>specifc app that would greatly help developers. I need something to 
>keep my mind active and fingers busy :)
>
>It can be anything from Access to Word to Excel (Office 2K), even VB 
>6.
>
>I'm open to any and all suggestion. And If I can learn something new, 
>that would be even better.
>
>Let the flood gates open :-)
>
>  
>

-- 
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Victoria, B.C.
Canada



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From john at winhaven.net  Tue Aug 16 17:48:42 2005
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 17:48:42 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas
In-Reply-To: <001b01c5a29b$0b6d4bf0$6401a8c0@laptop1>
Message-ID: <200508162248.j7GMmgR24777@databaseadvisors.com>

LOL!

:o))) 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Joe Hecht


Voice command app that would automatically write John Colby Classes and code
for you.

Joe Hecht
Los Angeles CA



From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Aug 16 17:53:15 2005
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 15:53:15 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] WIERD little problem
In-Reply-To: <200508162214.j7GMEER15199@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <0ILC0058G7KQM8@l-daemon>

Hi Karen:

Coming at this slightly differently... I worked on a system where if a user
stays on a station with no activity for say, 1 hour, the station, unloads
the tables, closes the forms and places them back at the application login
prompt. (This method was developed at a client's request who got tired of
always discovering one of her employees had left the 'Invoicing' application
open, running on the station and had gone back into the warehouse or off for
lunch.)

Would a process like this resolve similar db application issues before they
can develop?

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Karen Rosenstiel
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 3:14 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] WIERD little problem

I have a simple little scheduling database, front end and back end. I tried
to print a report for tomorrow - a simple list - the database crashed. For
some strange reason I cannot print the reports I need for tomorrow, although
I could print reports for different dates - just not for tomorrow. It closed
itself down and tried to compact itself and send a report to MS. 

At that point, I discovered that one of staff left open the front end with a
little popup form from which you can view or print the reports wide open. I
got her out of a meeting to shut down her open Access and then deleted the
backup copies and the .ldb files. I could compact/repair the BE but not the
FE. 

Has anybody had anything like this happen before? Any suggestions? I need to
mention that I can't send the database to anybody for inspection because of
confidentiality restrictions (I work in a jail health clinic).

Thanks in advance.

Regards,

Karen Rosenstiel
Seattle WA USA 


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From jmhecht at earthlink.net  Tue Aug 16 18:11:12 2005
From: jmhecht at earthlink.net (Joe Hecht)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 16:11:12 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas
In-Reply-To: <004e01c5a2a9$1bf1a080$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <000301c5a2b7$d0dc98c0$6401a8c0@laptop1>

Well John,

Your classes depend on my keyboard skills and ability to explain things. Can
you do it? vbg

Joe Hecht
Los Angeles CA

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 2:26 PM
To: access at joe2.endjunk.com; 'Access Developers discussion and problem
solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas

ROTFLMAO.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of DWUTKA at marlow.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 4:00 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas


That's easy, and requires no code or special hardware.  Just call up JC, and
tell him that you don't think his framework would hand XYZ...and let him
prove you wrong.  When he has given you proof, thank him, tell him he's
stellar, and a god among mortals, and walk away with completed JC Classes.

<grin>

Of course, the same method will work on me too....

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Hecht [mailto:jmhecht at earthlink.net]
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 2:45 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas


Voice command app that would automatically write John Colby Classes and code
for you.

Joe Hecht
Los Angeles CA

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From karenr7 at oz.net  Tue Aug 16 18:21:52 2005
From: karenr7 at oz.net (Karen Rosenstiel)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 16:21:52 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] WIERD little problem
In-Reply-To: <0ILC0058G7KQM8@l-daemon>
Message-ID: <200508162321.j7GNLmR32551@databaseadvisors.com>

Yes, that sounds interesting. It's a small office, and only 5 people would
be using this database. I'd like to look at your programming if you could
share it.

Meanwhile...Why would I not be able to print a report for 1 date and not
another. A puzzlement!

Regards,

Karen Rosenstiel
Seattle WA USA 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 3:53 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] WIERD little problem

Hi Karen:

Coming at this slightly differently... I worked on a system where if a user
stays on a station with no activity for say, 1 hour, the station, unloads
the tables, closes the forms and places them back at the application login
prompt. (This method was developed at a client's request who got tired of
always discovering one of her employees had left the 'Invoicing' application
open, running on the station and had gone back into the warehouse or off for
lunch.)

Would a process like this resolve similar db application issues before they
can develop?

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Karen Rosenstiel
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 3:14 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] WIERD little problem

I have a simple little scheduling database, front end and back end. I tried
to print a report for tomorrow - a simple list - the database crashed. For
some strange reason I cannot print the reports I need for tomorrow, although
I could print reports for different dates - just not for tomorrow. It closed
itself down and tried to compact itself and send a report to MS. 

At that point, I discovered that one of staff left open the front end with a
little popup form from which you can view or print the reports wide open. I
got her out of a meeting to shut down her open Access and then deleted the
backup copies and the .ldb files. I could compact/repair the BE but not the
FE. 

Has anybody had anything like this happen before? Any suggestions? I need to
mention that I can't send the database to anybody for inspection because of
confidentiality restrictions (I work in a jail health clinic).

Thanks in advance.

Regards,

Karen Rosenstiel
Seattle WA USA 


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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Aug 16 18:23:16 2005
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 19:23:16 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas
In-Reply-To: <000301c5a2b7$d0dc98c0$6401a8c0@laptop1>
Message-ID: <005201c5a2b9$7e409ba0$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

It looks like I am going to be doing a series of lectures for the CT Access
Users Group.  That should be interesting.  I haven't done a lecture since
the first AccessD conference at Rocky's house.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Joe Hecht
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 7:11 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas


Well John,

Your classes depend on my keyboard skills and ability to explain things. Can
you do it? vbg

Joe Hecht
Los Angeles CA

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 2:26 PM
To: access at joe2.endjunk.com; 'Access Developers discussion and problem
solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas

ROTFLMAO.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of DWUTKA at marlow.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 4:00 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas


That's easy, and requires no code or special hardware.  Just call up JC, and
tell him that you don't think his framework would hand XYZ...and let him
prove you wrong.  When he has given you proof, thank him, tell him he's
stellar, and a god among mortals, and walk away with completed JC Classes.

<grin>

Of course, the same method will work on me too....

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Hecht [mailto:jmhecht at earthlink.net]
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 2:45 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas


Voice command app that would automatically write John Colby Classes and code
for you.

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From dmcafee at pacbell.net  Tue Aug 16 18:45:08 2005
From: dmcafee at pacbell.net (David Mcafee)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 16:45:08 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas
In-Reply-To: <005201c5a2b9$7e409ba0$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <20050816234508.20273.qmail@web80802.mail.yahoo.com>

Speaking of which, isn't it that time again?

:)


David


--- "John W. Colby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
wrote:

  I haven't
> done a lecture since
> the first AccessD conference at Rocky's house.
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com 



From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Tue Aug 16 19:10:28 2005
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 17:10:28 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Ajax and Atlas with XML
References: <0ILC009076XD12@l-daemon>
Message-ID: <43028074.3090706@shaw.ca>

Nope that is it, all there is in the one xml element, no dancing hamsters

This site will give you a better idea but more html code needed
Click on 

Drop Downs & Form Handling <javascript: toggleDiv('div_dropdowns')>

then click states states

http://www.clearnova.com/ajax/index.html


Jim Lawrence wrote:

>Hi Marty:
>
>Just a note the Server page update sample. 
>
>It initially shows the following line: This is some sample data. It is the
>default data for this web page. View XML data.
>
>.. and when clicking on the link: View XML data
>
>.. the line then displays: This is some sample data. It is stored in an XML
>file and retrieved by JavaScript.
>
>.. and that is all. Is there supposed to be more displayed?
>
>Jim
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
>Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 12:50 PM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: [AccessD] Ajax and Atlas with XML
>
>If looking for xml info starter sites.
>
>http://www.xml.org
>http://www.xml.com
>A vb oriented site was once vbxml.com
>http://www.topxml.com
>
>Try to buy XML books published in last 3 years otherwise
>you wont get latest in XSLT and  XQuery. Old books maybe based on old 
>XSL patterns
>which might prove confusing.
>
>
>Now here is the latest buzz in XML development with AJAX.
>
>In computer programming, AJAX (Asynchronous JavaScript and XML) is a 
>method of building interactive applications for the Web that process 
>user requests immediately.Ajax allows content on Web pages to update 
>immediately when a user performs an action, unlike an HTTP request, 
>during which users must wait for a whole new page to load. For example, 
>a weather forecasting site could display local conditions on one side of 
>the page without delay after a user types in a zip code.
>Google Map works this way. ATLAS is a downloadable javascript engine 
>Microsoft  is supposed to bring out in September at some convention.
>
>How difficult is this stuff well it is not rocket science. But an 
>amalgam of 4 or 5 techniques. Ajax combines several programming tools 
>including JavaScript, dynamic HTML (DHTML), Extensible Markup Language 
>(XML), cascading style sheets (CSS), the Document Object Model (DOM), 
>and the Microsoft object, XMLHttpRequest. After that you can use Web 
>Services to grab the xml data. You could modify javascript to VBA too 
>for use in Access.
>
>Some sites where you can grab javascript source and  examples of Ajax or 
>download them
>
>http://www.clearnova.com/ajax/index.html
>http://developer.apple.com/internet/webcontent/XMLHttpRequestExample/example
>.html
>
>Articles
>Dynamic HTML and xmlhttpRequest object
>http://developer.apple.com/internet/webcontent/xmlhttpreq.html
>
>Jesse Garrett  What is Ajax?  (The guy that gave it the name)
>http://www.adaptivepath.com/publications/essays/archives/000385.php
>
>
>Here is a elementary ajax sample just place the two files on your web 
>server and run with java script enabled
>through your favourite browser.
>
>You can also run from hard disk directly in Netscape 7.0 but IE locally 
>has security stops and uses file: protocol and not http: protocol so 
>wont run correctly
>without a lot of  fiddling with settings. Rather than use a object; 
>might use document.innerhtml to get around for local use.
>
>On my server these two files  
>http://www5.brinkster.com/mconnelly/ajax/ajax.html
>
>Save this file as UTF-8 not ANSI   ajax.html
>
><!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN"
>  "http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd">
><html lang="en" dir="ltr">
>  <head>
>    <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1">
>    <title>Developing Web Applications with Ajax - Example</title>
><script type="text/javascript"><!--
>function ajaxRead(file){
>  var xmlObj = null;
>  if(window.XMLHttpRequest){
>      xmlObj = new XMLHttpRequest();
>  } else if(window.ActiveXObject){
>      xmlObj = new ActiveXObject("Microsoft.XMLHTTP");
>  } else {
>      return;
>  }
>  xmlObj.onreadystatechange = function(){
>    if(xmlObj.readyState == 4){
>       updateObj('xmlObj', 
>xmlObj.responseXML.getElementsByTagName('data')[0].firstChild.data);
>     }
>    }
>    xmlObj.open ('GET', file, true);
>    xmlObj.send ('');
>  }
>  function updateObj(obj, data){
>   document.getElementById(obj).firstChild.data = data;
>  }
>  //--></script>
>  </head>
>  <body>
>    <h1>Developing Web Applications with Ajax</h1>
>    <p>This page demonstrates the use of Asynchronous Javascript and XML 
>(Ajax) technology to
>    update a web page's content by reading from a remote file 
>dynamically -- no page reloading
>    is required. Note that this operation does not work for users 
>without JavaScript enabled.</p>
>    <p id="xmlObj">
>    This is some sample data. It is the default data for this web page. 
><a href="data.xml"
>    title="View the XML data." onclick="ajaxRead('data.xml'); 
>this.style.display='none'; return false">View XML     data.</a>
>    </p>
>  </body>
></html>
>
>
> Save this file below as UTF-8 data.xml
>
><?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
><root>
>  <data>
>    This is some sample data. It is stored in an XML file and retrieved 
>by JavaScript.
>  </data>
></root>
>
>
>
>
>Gustav Brock wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Hi Bryan
>>
>>So no job? Or wife?? Is that what you are trying to tell?
>>On the other hand (for the job option, cannot tell for the wife
>>option), with your knowledge I would expect it to be easy for you to
>>find some "new challenges" except, of course, if things are a little
>>more complicated than they may appear to be ...
>>
>>Currently I'm facing some XML work. Haven't done anything with this and
>>Access and hardly know where to look except browsing this list ...
>>So an XML cookbook or guide is a suggestion.
>>
>>/gustav
>>
>> 
>>
>>    
>>
>>>>>carbonnb at sympatico.ca 08/16 3:45 am >>>
>>>>>       
>>>>>
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>I have found myself in a situation that gives me an inordinate amount 
>>of free time and I'm looking for some ideas to fill my time.
>>
>>I am thinking of something that would make development easier or a 
>>specifc app that would greatly help developers. I need something to 
>>keep my mind active and fingers busy :)
>>
>>It can be anything from Access to Word to Excel (Office 2K), even VB 
>>6.
>>
>>I'm open to any and all suggestion. And If I can learn something new, 
>>that would be even better.
>>
>>Let the flood gates open :-)
>>
>> 
>>
>>    
>>
>
>  
>

-- 
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada





From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Aug 16 20:45:01 2005
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 18:45:01 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Ajax and Atlas with XML
In-Reply-To: <43028074.3090706@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <0ILC0076JFIZDV@l-daemon>

Marty what do you mean 'No dancing Hamster'! :-(

What is your opinion on the AJAX.Net variation on AJAX which seems to be the
hottest ticket?

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 5:10 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ajax and Atlas with XML

Nope that is it, all there is in the one xml element, no dancing hamsters

This site will give you a better idea but more html code needed
Click on 

Drop Downs & Form Handling <javascript: toggleDiv('div_dropdowns')>

then click states states

http://www.clearnova.com/ajax/index.html


Jim Lawrence wrote:

>Hi Marty:
>
>Just a note the Server page update sample. 
>
>It initially shows the following line: This is some sample data. It is the
>default data for this web page. View XML data.
>
>.. and when clicking on the link: View XML data
>
>.. the line then displays: This is some sample data. It is stored in an XML
>file and retrieved by JavaScript.
>
>.. and that is all. Is there supposed to be more displayed?
>
>Jim
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
>Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 12:50 PM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: [AccessD] Ajax and Atlas with XML
>
>If looking for xml info starter sites.
>
>http://www.xml.org
>http://www.xml.com
>A vb oriented site was once vbxml.com
>http://www.topxml.com
>
>Try to buy XML books published in last 3 years otherwise
>you wont get latest in XSLT and  XQuery. Old books maybe based on old 
>XSL patterns
>which might prove confusing.
>
>
>Now here is the latest buzz in XML development with AJAX.
>
>In computer programming, AJAX (Asynchronous JavaScript and XML) is a 
>method of building interactive applications for the Web that process 
>user requests immediately.Ajax allows content on Web pages to update 
>immediately when a user performs an action, unlike an HTTP request, 
>during which users must wait for a whole new page to load. For example, 
>a weather forecasting site could display local conditions on one side of 
>the page without delay after a user types in a zip code.
>Google Map works this way. ATLAS is a downloadable javascript engine 
>Microsoft  is supposed to bring out in September at some convention.
>
>How difficult is this stuff well it is not rocket science. But an 
>amalgam of 4 or 5 techniques. Ajax combines several programming tools 
>including JavaScript, dynamic HTML (DHTML), Extensible Markup Language 
>(XML), cascading style sheets (CSS), the Document Object Model (DOM), 
>and the Microsoft object, XMLHttpRequest. After that you can use Web 
>Services to grab the xml data. You could modify javascript to VBA too 
>for use in Access.
>
>Some sites where you can grab javascript source and  examples of Ajax or 
>download them
>
>http://www.clearnova.com/ajax/index.html
>http://developer.apple.com/internet/webcontent/XMLHttpRequestExample/exampl
e
>.html
>
>Articles
>Dynamic HTML and xmlhttpRequest object
>http://developer.apple.com/internet/webcontent/xmlhttpreq.html
>
>Jesse Garrett  What is Ajax?  (The guy that gave it the name)
>http://www.adaptivepath.com/publications/essays/archives/000385.php
>
>
>Here is a elementary ajax sample just place the two files on your web 
>server and run with java script enabled
>through your favourite browser.
>
>You can also run from hard disk directly in Netscape 7.0 but IE locally 
>has security stops and uses file: protocol and not http: protocol so 
>wont run correctly
>without a lot of  fiddling with settings. Rather than use a object; 
>might use document.innerhtml to get around for local use.
>
>On my server these two files  
>http://www5.brinkster.com/mconnelly/ajax/ajax.html
>
>Save this file as UTF-8 not ANSI   ajax.html
>
><!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN"
>  "http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd">
><html lang="en" dir="ltr">
>  <head>
>    <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html;
charset=iso-8859-1">
>    <title>Developing Web Applications with Ajax - Example</title>
><script type="text/javascript"><!--
>function ajaxRead(file){
>  var xmlObj = null;
>  if(window.XMLHttpRequest){
>      xmlObj = new XMLHttpRequest();
>  } else if(window.ActiveXObject){
>      xmlObj = new ActiveXObject("Microsoft.XMLHTTP");
>  } else {
>      return;
>  }
>  xmlObj.onreadystatechange = function(){
>    if(xmlObj.readyState == 4){
>       updateObj('xmlObj', 
>xmlObj.responseXML.getElementsByTagName('data')[0].firstChild.data);
>     }
>    }
>    xmlObj.open ('GET', file, true);
>    xmlObj.send ('');
>  }
>  function updateObj(obj, data){
>   document.getElementById(obj).firstChild.data = data;
>  }
>  //--></script>
>  </head>
>  <body>
>    <h1>Developing Web Applications with Ajax</h1>
>    <p>This page demonstrates the use of Asynchronous Javascript and XML 
>(Ajax) technology to
>    update a web page's content by reading from a remote file 
>dynamically -- no page reloading
>    is required. Note that this operation does not work for users 
>without JavaScript enabled.</p>
>    <p id="xmlObj">
>    This is some sample data. It is the default data for this web page. 
><a href="data.xml"
>    title="View the XML data." onclick="ajaxRead('data.xml'); 
>this.style.display='none'; return false">View XML     data.</a>
>    </p>
>  </body>
></html>
>
>
> Save this file below as UTF-8 data.xml
>
><?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
><root>
>  <data>
>    This is some sample data. It is stored in an XML file and retrieved 
>by JavaScript.
>  </data>
></root>
>
>
>
>
>Gustav Brock wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Hi Bryan
>>
>>So no job? Or wife?? Is that what you are trying to tell?
>>On the other hand (for the job option, cannot tell for the wife
>>option), with your knowledge I would expect it to be easy for you to
>>find some "new challenges" except, of course, if things are a little
>>more complicated than they may appear to be ...
>>
>>Currently I'm facing some XML work. Haven't done anything with this and
>>Access and hardly know where to look except browsing this list ...
>>So an XML cookbook or guide is a suggestion.
>>
>>/gustav
>>
>> 
>>
>>    
>>
>>>>>carbonnb at sympatico.ca 08/16 3:45 am >>>
>>>>>       
>>>>>
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>I have found myself in a situation that gives me an inordinate amount 
>>of free time and I'm looking for some ideas to fill my time.
>>
>>I am thinking of something that would make development easier or a 
>>specifc app that would greatly help developers. I need something to 
>>keep my mind active and fingers busy :)
>>
>>It can be anything from Access to Word to Excel (Office 2K), even VB 
>>6.
>>
>>I'm open to any and all suggestion. And If I can learn something new, 
>>that would be even better.
>>
>>Let the flood gates open :-)
>>
>> 
>>
>>    
>>
>
>  
>

-- 
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada



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From dejpolsys at hotmail.com  Tue Aug 16 22:28:00 2005
From: dejpolsys at hotmail.com (William Hindman)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 23:28:00 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas
References: <005201c5a2b9$7e409ba0$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <BAY103-DAV121600C7491AA1C877F3CBAEB30@phx.gbl>

"I haven't done a lecture since
the first AccessD conference at Rocky's house." JC

..took the victims this long to recover, eh :)

William

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John W. Colby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 7:23 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas


> It looks like I am going to be doing a series of lectures for the CT 
> Access
> Users Group.  That should be interesting.  I haven't done a lecture since
> the first AccessD conference at Rocky's house.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
> http://folding.stanford.edu/
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Joe Hecht
> Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 7:11 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas
>
>
> Well John,
>
> Your classes depend on my keyboard skills and ability to explain things. 
> Can
> you do it? vbg
>
> Joe Hecht
> Los Angeles CA
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby
> Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 2:26 PM
> To: access at joe2.endjunk.com; 'Access Developers discussion and problem
> solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas
>
> ROTFLMAO.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
> http://folding.stanford.edu/
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> DWUTKA at marlow.com
> Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 4:00 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas
>
>
> That's easy, and requires no code or special hardware.  Just call up JC, 
> and
> tell him that you don't think his framework would hand XYZ...and let him
> prove you wrong.  When he has given you proof, thank him, tell him he's
> stellar, and a god among mortals, and walk away with completed JC Classes.
>
> <grin>
>
> Of course, the same method will work on me too....
>
> Drew
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joe Hecht [mailto:jmhecht at earthlink.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 2:45 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas
>
>
> Voice command app that would automatically write John Colby Classes and 
> code
> for you.
>
> Joe Hecht
> Los Angeles CA
>
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Aug 16 22:34:19 2005
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 23:34:19 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas
In-Reply-To: <BAY103-DAV121600C7491AA1C877F3CBAEB30@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <005601c5a2dc$903c1a50$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

LOL, yea, you don't recover from my lectures that easily.  ;-)  Just kinda
numbs the whole body.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 11:28 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas


"I haven't done a lecture since
the first AccessD conference at Rocky's house." JC

..took the victims this long to recover, eh :)

William





From dejpolsys at hotmail.com  Tue Aug 16 22:35:28 2005
From: dejpolsys at hotmail.com (William Hindman)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 23:35:28 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] WIERD little problem
References: <200508162321.j7GNLmR32551@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <BAY103-DAV970DCE587281DFF6A75B0AEB30@phx.gbl>

Karen

..have you done a decompile ...ect.?

William

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Karen Rosenstiel" <karenr7 at oz.net>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 7:21 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] WIERD little problem


> Yes, that sounds interesting. It's a small office, and only 5 people would
> be using this database. I'd like to look at your programming if you could
> share it.
>
> Meanwhile...Why would I not be able to print a report for 1 date and not
> another. A puzzlement!
>
> Regards,
>
> Karen Rosenstiel
> Seattle WA USA
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
> Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 3:53 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] WIERD little problem
>
> Hi Karen:
>
> Coming at this slightly differently... I worked on a system where if a 
> user
> stays on a station with no activity for say, 1 hour, the station, unloads
> the tables, closes the forms and places them back at the application login
> prompt. (This method was developed at a client's request who got tired of
> always discovering one of her employees had left the 'Invoicing' 
> application
> open, running on the station and had gone back into the warehouse or off 
> for
> lunch.)
>
> Would a process like this resolve similar db application issues before 
> they
> can develop?
>
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Karen 
> Rosenstiel
> Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 3:14 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: [AccessD] WIERD little problem
>
> I have a simple little scheduling database, front end and back end. I 
> tried
> to print a report for tomorrow - a simple list - the database crashed. For
> some strange reason I cannot print the reports I need for tomorrow, 
> although
> I could print reports for different dates - just not for tomorrow. It 
> closed
> itself down and tried to compact itself and send a report to MS.
>
> At that point, I discovered that one of staff left open the front end with 
> a
> little popup form from which you can view or print the reports wide open. 
> I
> got her out of a meeting to shut down her open Access and then deleted the
> backup copies and the .ldb files. I could compact/repair the BE but not 
> the
> FE.
>
> Has anybody had anything like this happen before? Any suggestions? I need 
> to
> mention that I can't send the database to anybody for inspection because 
> of
> confidentiality restrictions (I work in a jail health clinic).
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Regards,
>
> Karen Rosenstiel
> Seattle WA USA
>
>
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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Tue Aug 16 23:59:42 2005
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 21:59:42 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Ajax and Atlas with XML
References: <0ILC0076JFIZDV@l-daemon>
Message-ID: <4302C43E.3030505@shaw.ca>

I realize Victoria is little out date but this is archived from the net 
10 years ago,
It is now considered a net classic. The Original Hampster Dance
Dance the night away!

http://www.hamsterdance.com/classorig.html

Haven't looked at .net variation but probably the same basic theme and 
methods with a bit more class.

Jim Lawrence wrote:

>Marty what do you mean 'No dancing Hamster'! :-(
>
>What is your opinion on the AJAX.Net variation on AJAX which seems to be the
>hottest ticket?
>
>Jim
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
>Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 5:10 PM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ajax and Atlas with XML
>
>Nope that is it, all there is in the one xml element, no dancing hamsters
>
>This site will give you a better idea but more html code needed
>Click on 
>
>Drop Downs & Form Handling <javascript: toggleDiv('div_dropdowns')>
>
>then click states states
>
>http://www.clearnova.com/ajax/index.html
>
>
>Jim Lawrence wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Hi Marty:
>>
>>Just a note the Server page update sample. 
>>
>>It initially shows the following line: This is some sample data. It is the
>>default data for this web page. View XML data.
>>
>>.. and when clicking on the link: View XML data
>>
>>.. the line then displays: This is some sample data. It is stored in an XML
>>file and retrieved by JavaScript.
>>
>>.. and that is all. Is there supposed to be more displayed?
>>
>>Jim
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
>>Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 12:50 PM
>>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>Subject: [AccessD] Ajax and Atlas with XML
>>
>>If looking for xml info starter sites.
>>
>>http://www.xml.org
>>http://www.xml.com
>>A vb oriented site was once vbxml.com
>>http://www.topxml.com
>>
>>Try to buy XML books published in last 3 years otherwise
>>you wont get latest in XSLT and  XQuery. Old books maybe based on old 
>>XSL patterns
>>which might prove confusing.
>>
>>
>>Now here is the latest buzz in XML development with AJAX.
>>
>>In computer programming, AJAX (Asynchronous JavaScript and XML) is a 
>>method of building interactive applications for the Web that process 
>>user requests immediately.Ajax allows content on Web pages to update 
>>immediately when a user performs an action, unlike an HTTP request, 
>>during which users must wait for a whole new page to load. For example, 
>>a weather forecasting site could display local conditions on one side of 
>>the page without delay after a user types in a zip code.
>>Google Map works this way. ATLAS is a downloadable javascript engine 
>>Microsoft  is supposed to bring out in September at some convention.
>>
>>How difficult is this stuff well it is not rocket science. But an 
>>amalgam of 4 or 5 techniques. Ajax combines several programming tools 
>>including JavaScript, dynamic HTML (DHTML), Extensible Markup Language 
>>(XML), cascading style sheets (CSS), the Document Object Model (DOM), 
>>and the Microsoft object, XMLHttpRequest. After that you can use Web 
>>Services to grab the xml data. You could modify javascript to VBA too 
>>for use in Access.
>>
>>Some sites where you can grab javascript source and  examples of Ajax or 
>>download them
>>
>>http://www.clearnova.com/ajax/index.html
>>http://developer.apple.com/internet/webcontent/XMLHttpRequestExample/exampl
>>    
>>
>e
>  
>
>>.html
>>
>>Articles
>>Dynamic HTML and xmlhttpRequest object
>>http://developer.apple.com/internet/webcontent/xmlhttpreq.html
>>
>>Jesse Garrett  What is Ajax?  (The guy that gave it the name)
>>http://www.adaptivepath.com/publications/essays/archives/000385.php
>>
>>
>>Here is a elementary ajax sample just place the two files on your web 
>>server and run with java script enabled
>>through your favourite browser.
>>
>>You can also run from hard disk directly in Netscape 7.0 but IE locally 
>>has security stops and uses file: protocol and not http: protocol so 
>>wont run correctly
>>without a lot of  fiddling with settings. Rather than use a object; 
>>might use document.innerhtml to get around for local use.
>>
>>On my server these two files  
>>http://www5.brinkster.com/mconnelly/ajax/ajax.html
>>
>>Save this file as UTF-8 not ANSI   ajax.html
>>
>><!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN"
>> "http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd">
>><html lang="en" dir="ltr">
>> <head>
>>   <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html;
>>    
>>
>charset=iso-8859-1">
>  
>
>>   <title>Developing Web Applications with Ajax - Example</title>
>><script type="text/javascript"><!--
>>function ajaxRead(file){
>> var xmlObj = null;
>> if(window.XMLHttpRequest){
>>     xmlObj = new XMLHttpRequest();
>> } else if(window.ActiveXObject){
>>     xmlObj = new ActiveXObject("Microsoft.XMLHTTP");
>> } else {
>>     return;
>> }
>> xmlObj.onreadystatechange = function(){
>>   if(xmlObj.readyState == 4){
>>      updateObj('xmlObj', 
>>xmlObj.responseXML.getElementsByTagName('data')[0].firstChild.data);
>>    }
>>   }
>>   xmlObj.open ('GET', file, true);
>>   xmlObj.send ('');
>> }
>> function updateObj(obj, data){
>>  document.getElementById(obj).firstChild.data = data;
>> }
>> //--></script>
>> </head>
>> <body>
>>   <h1>Developing Web Applications with Ajax</h1>
>>   <p>This page demonstrates the use of Asynchronous Javascript and XML 
>>(Ajax) technology to
>>   update a web page's content by reading from a remote file 
>>dynamically -- no page reloading
>>   is required. Note that this operation does not work for users 
>>without JavaScript enabled.</p>
>>   <p id="xmlObj">
>>   This is some sample data. It is the default data for this web page. 
>><a href="data.xml"
>>   title="View the XML data." onclick="ajaxRead('data.xml'); 
>>this.style.display='none'; return false">View XML     data.</a>
>>   </p>
>> </body>
>></html>
>>
>>
>>Save this file below as UTF-8 data.xml
>>
>><?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
>><root>
>> <data>
>>   This is some sample data. It is stored in an XML file and retrieved 
>>by JavaScript.
>> </data>
>></root>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Gustav Brock wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>>    
>>
>>>Hi Bryan
>>>
>>>So no job? Or wife?? Is that what you are trying to tell?
>>>On the other hand (for the job option, cannot tell for the wife
>>>option), with your knowledge I would expect it to be easy for you to
>>>find some "new challenges" except, of course, if things are a little
>>>more complicated than they may appear to be ...
>>>
>>>Currently I'm facing some XML work. Haven't done anything with this and
>>>Access and hardly know where to look except browsing this list ...
>>>So an XML cookbook or guide is a suggestion.
>>>
>>>/gustav
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>   
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>>>>carbonnb at sympatico.ca 08/16 3:45 am >>>
>>>>>>      
>>>>>>
>>>>>>         
>>>>>>
>>>>>>            
>>>>>>
>>>I have found myself in a situation that gives me an inordinate amount 
>>>of free time and I'm looking for some ideas to fill my time.
>>>
>>>I am thinking of something that would make development easier or a 
>>>specifc app that would greatly help developers. I need something to 
>>>keep my mind active and fingers busy :)
>>>
>>>It can be anything from Access to Word to Excel (Office 2K), even VB 
>>>6.
>>>
>>>I'm open to any and all suggestion. And If I can learn something new, 
>>>that would be even better.
>>>
>>>Let the flood gates open :-)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>   
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>> 
>>
>>    
>>
>
>  
>

-- 
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada





From adtp at touchtelindia.net  Wed Aug 17 00:15:23 2005
From: adtp at touchtelindia.net (A.D.Tejpal)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 10:45:23 +0530
Subject: [AccessD] New Record Appearing on Top
References: <BAY104-F399A680E9A360EC3228DA09AB00@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <013001c5a2ea$dc87a010$071865cb@winxp>

Julie,

    It so happens that the point raised by Charlotte has already been taken care of in my sample db (AddDataAtTop) mentioned in my earlier post dated 16-Aug-2005.

    For the ongoing session, recently added records are highlighted suitably and continue to be in view at the top. As and when a new session is taken up (on re-opening the switchboard form), all existing records get re-positioned in prescribed sort order.

Best wishes,
A.D.Tejpal
--------------

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Julie Reardon-Taylor 
  To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 22:01
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] New Record Appearing on Top


  Good point Charlotte.  I don't really like it either.....and certainly have given the client what they want, only to have to turn around and "re-do" what they thought was a great thing.  Thank you for your thoughts.

  Julie Reardon-Taylor
  PRO-SOFT OF NY, INC.
  44 Public Square Suite #5
  Watertown, NY 13601
  Phone/Fax: (315) 785-0319
  www.pro-soft.net

    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Charlotte Foust 
    To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
    Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 21:09
    Subject: RE: [AccessD] New Record Appearing on Top


    Others have given you chapter and verse on approaches to this, so let me ask you a question:  Is the client going to be happy with the new rows falling to the bottom of the list after they're added "at the top"?
    Depending on the default sort for the form/subform, that row just added at the top may disappear entirely from the visible records.  That is something clients frequently overlook when asking for a feature like this, and it needs to be discussed before you go to a lot of effort to provide something they're going to decide they don't like.  

    Charlotte Foust


From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Wed Aug 17 00:54:10 2005
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 22:54:10 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Ajax and Atlas with XML
References: <0ILC0076JFIZDV@l-daemon> <4302C43E.3030505@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <4302D102.80607@shaw.ca>

I have seen variations of Ajax.Net on Source Forge and this one where 
the C# source was recently released
I think they are all still in Alpha even MS is yet to release their 
javascript engine.
http://ajax.schwarz-interactive.de/csharpsample/default.aspx

MartyConnelly wrote:

> I realize Victoria is little out date but this is archived from the 
> net 10 years ago,
> It is now considered a net classic. The Original Hampster Dance
> Dance the night away!
>
> http://www.hamsterdance.com/classorig.html
>
> Haven't looked at .net variation but probably the same basic theme and 
> methods with a bit more class.
>
> Jim Lawrence wrote:
>
>> Marty what do you mean 'No dancing Hamster'! :-(
>>
>> What is your opinion on the AJAX.Net variation on AJAX which seems to 
>> be the
>> hottest ticket?
>>
>> Jim
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 5:10 PM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ajax and Atlas with XML
>>
>> Nope that is it, all there is in the one xml element, no dancing 
>> hamsters
>>
>> This site will give you a better idea but more html code needed
>> Click on
>> Drop Downs & Form Handling <javascript: toggleDiv('div_dropdowns')>
>>
>> then click states states
>>
>> http://www.clearnova.com/ajax/index.html
>>
>>
>> Jim Lawrence wrote:
>>
>>  
>>
>>> Hi Marty:
>>>
>>> Just a note the Server page update sample.
>>> It initially shows the following line: This is some sample data. It 
>>> is the
>>> default data for this web page. View XML data.
>>>
>>> .. and when clicking on the link: View XML data
>>>
>>> .. the line then displays: This is some sample data. It is stored in 
>>> an XML
>>> file and retrieved by JavaScript.
>>>
>>> .. and that is all. Is there supposed to be more displayed?
>>>
>>> Jim
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
>>> MartyConnelly
>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 12:50 PM
>>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>> Subject: [AccessD] Ajax and Atlas with XML
>>>
>>> If looking for xml info starter sites.
>>>
>>> http://www.xml.org
>>> http://www.xml.com
>>> A vb oriented site was once vbxml.com
>>> http://www.topxml.com
>>>
>>> Try to buy XML books published in last 3 years otherwise
>>> you wont get latest in XSLT and  XQuery. Old books maybe based on 
>>> old XSL patterns
>>> which might prove confusing.
>>>
>>>
>>> Now here is the latest buzz in XML development with AJAX.
>>>
>>> In computer programming, AJAX (Asynchronous JavaScript and XML) is a 
>>> method of building interactive applications for the Web that process 
>>> user requests immediately.Ajax allows content on Web pages to update 
>>> immediately when a user performs an action, unlike an HTTP request, 
>>> during which users must wait for a whole new page to load. For 
>>> example, a weather forecasting site could display local conditions 
>>> on one side of the page without delay after a user types in a zip code.
>>> Google Map works this way. ATLAS is a downloadable javascript engine 
>>> Microsoft  is supposed to bring out in September at some convention.
>>>
>>> How difficult is this stuff well it is not rocket science. But an 
>>> amalgam of 4 or 5 techniques. Ajax combines several programming 
>>> tools including JavaScript, dynamic HTML (DHTML), Extensible Markup 
>>> Language (XML), cascading style sheets (CSS), the Document Object 
>>> Model (DOM), and the Microsoft object, XMLHttpRequest. After that 
>>> you can use Web Services to grab the xml data. You could modify 
>>> javascript to VBA too for use in Access.
>>>
>>> Some sites where you can grab javascript source and  examples of 
>>> Ajax or download them
>>>
>>> http://www.clearnova.com/ajax/index.html
>>> http://developer.apple.com/internet/webcontent/XMLHttpRequestExample/exampl 
>>>
>>>   
>>
>> e
>>  
>>
>>> .html
>>>
>>> Articles
>>> Dynamic HTML and xmlhttpRequest object
>>> http://developer.apple.com/internet/webcontent/xmlhttpreq.html
>>>
>>> Jesse Garrett  What is Ajax?  (The guy that gave it the name)
>>> http://www.adaptivepath.com/publications/essays/archives/000385.php
>>>
>>>
>>> Here is a elementary ajax sample just place the two files on your 
>>> web server and run with java script enabled
>>> through your favourite browser.
>>>
>>> You can also run from hard disk directly in Netscape 7.0 but IE 
>>> locally has security stops and uses file: protocol and not http: 
>>> protocol so wont run correctly
>>> without a lot of  fiddling with settings. Rather than use a object; 
>>> might use document.innerhtml to get around for local use.
>>>
>>> On my server these two files  
>>> http://www5.brinkster.com/mconnelly/ajax/ajax.html
>>>
>>> Save this file as UTF-8 not ANSI   ajax.html
>>>
>>> <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN"
>>> "http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd">
>>> <html lang="en" dir="ltr">
>>> <head>
>>>   <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html;
>>>   
>>
>> charset=iso-8859-1">
>>  
>>
>>>   <title>Developing Web Applications with Ajax - Example</title>
>>> <script type="text/javascript"><!--
>>> function ajaxRead(file){
>>> var xmlObj = null;
>>> if(window.XMLHttpRequest){
>>>     xmlObj = new XMLHttpRequest();
>>> } else if(window.ActiveXObject){
>>>     xmlObj = new ActiveXObject("Microsoft.XMLHTTP");
>>> } else {
>>>     return;
>>> }
>>> xmlObj.onreadystatechange = function(){
>>>   if(xmlObj.readyState == 4){
>>>      updateObj('xmlObj', 
>>> xmlObj.responseXML.getElementsByTagName('data')[0].firstChild.data);
>>>    }
>>>   }
>>>   xmlObj.open ('GET', file, true);
>>>   xmlObj.send ('');
>>> }
>>> function updateObj(obj, data){
>>>  document.getElementById(obj).firstChild.data = data;
>>> }
>>> //--></script>
>>> </head>
>>> <body>
>>>   <h1>Developing Web Applications with Ajax</h1>
>>>   <p>This page demonstrates the use of Asynchronous Javascript and 
>>> XML (Ajax) technology to
>>>   update a web page's content by reading from a remote file 
>>> dynamically -- no page reloading
>>>   is required. Note that this operation does not work for users 
>>> without JavaScript enabled.</p>
>>>   <p id="xmlObj">
>>>   This is some sample data. It is the default data for this web 
>>> page. <a href="data.xml"
>>>   title="View the XML data." onclick="ajaxRead('data.xml'); 
>>> this.style.display='none'; return false">View XML     data.</a>
>>>   </p>
>>> </body>
>>> </html>
>>>
>>>
>>> Save this file below as UTF-8 data.xml
>>>
>>> <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
>>> <root>
>>> <data>
>>>   This is some sample data. It is stored in an XML file and 
>>> retrieved by JavaScript.
>>> </data>
>>> </root>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Gustav Brock wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>   
>>>
>>>> Hi Bryan
>>>>
>>>> So no job? Or wife?? Is that what you are trying to tell?
>>>> On the other hand (for the job option, cannot tell for the wife
>>>> option), with your knowledge I would expect it to be easy for you to
>>>> find some "new challenges" except, of course, if things are a little
>>>> more complicated than they may appear to be ...
>>>>
>>>> Currently I'm facing some XML work. Haven't done anything with this 
>>>> and
>>>> Access and hardly know where to look except browsing this list ...
>>>> So an XML cookbook or guide is a suggestion.
>>>>
>>>> /gustav
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  
>>>>     
>>>>
>>>>>>> carbonnb at sympatico.ca 08/16 3:45 am >>>
>>>>>>>     
>>>>>>>        
>>>>>>>           
>>>>>>
>>>> I have found myself in a situation that gives me an inordinate 
>>>> amount of free time and I'm looking for some ideas to fill my time.
>>>>
>>>> I am thinking of something that would make development easier or a 
>>>> specifc app that would greatly help developers. I need something to 
>>>> keep my mind active and fingers busy :)
>>>>
>>>> It can be anything from Access to Word to Excel (Office 2K), even 
>>>> VB 6.
>>>>
>>>> I'm open to any and all suggestion. And If I can learn something 
>>>> new, that would be even better.
>>>>
>>>> Let the flood gates open :-)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  
>>>>     
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>   
>>
>>
>>  
>>
>

-- 
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada





From pedro at plex.nl  Wed Aug 17 08:57:39 2005
From: pedro at plex.nl (pedro at plex.nl)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 08:57:39 (MET DST)
Subject: [AccessD] checkboxes aren't functioning
Message-ID: <200508170700.j7H6vdja016582@mailhostC.plex.net>

Hi,

There isn't a code behind the form where the checkboxes are involved in it.
This form has worked a year without any problems.
Now suddenly the checkboxes are giving troubles.
Could the database (front-end or back-end) be corrupt?

Pedro Janssen


In antwoord op:

> From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 14:54:03 -0700
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] checkboxes aren't functioning
> 
> 
> Not enough information to provide an answer.  If the checkboxes are
> actually disabled on existing records, then I would suspect  code behind
> the form disabling them depending on specific circumstances.
> 
> Charlotte Foust
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Pedro Janssen [mailto:pedro at plex.nl] 
> Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 2:36 PM
> To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] checkboxes aren't functioning
> 
> 
> Hello Group,
> 
> how is it possible that suddenly on a form in almost al records certain
> checkboxes are working but in some records they don't function (are
> greyed out and can't make them "true" or "not true"). Nothing strange
> happened before.
> 
> Pedro Janssen
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> 
> 


From pedro at plex.nl  Wed Aug 17 08:58:52 2005
From: pedro at plex.nl (pedro at plex.nl)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 08:58:52 (MET DST)
Subject: [AccessD] checkboxes aren't functioning
Message-ID: <200508170701.j7H6wqPo016629@mailhostC.plex.net>

Hi,

There isn't a code behind the form where the checkboxes are involved in it.
This form has worked a year without any problems.
Now suddenly the checkboxes are giving troubles.
Could the database (front-end or back-end) be corrupt?

Pedro Janssen


In antwoord op:

> From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 14:54:03 -0700
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] checkboxes aren't functioning
> 
> 
> Not enough information to provide an answer.  If the checkboxes are
> actually disabled on existing records, then I would suspect  code behind
> the form disabling them depending on specific circumstances.
> 
> Charlotte Foust
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Pedro Janssen [mailto:pedro at plex.nl] 
> Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 2:36 PM
> To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] checkboxes aren't functioning
> 
> 
> Hello Group,
> 
> how is it possible that suddenly on a form in almost al records certain
> checkboxes are working but in some records they don't function (are
> greyed out and can't make them "true" or "not true"). Nothing strange
> happened before.
> 
> Pedro Janssen
> -- 
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
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> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 
> 


From pedro at plex.nl  Wed Aug 17 08:59:08 2005
From: pedro at plex.nl (pedro at plex.nl)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 08:59:08 (MET DST)
Subject: [AccessD] checkboxes aren't functioning
Message-ID: <200508170700.j7H6x84l016673@mailhostC.plex.net>

Hi,

There isn't a code behind the form where the checkboxes are involved in it.
This form has worked a year without any problems.
Now suddenly the checkboxes are giving troubles.
Could the database (front-end or back-end) be corrupt?

Pedro Janssen


In antwoord op:

> From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 14:54:03 -0700
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] checkboxes aren't functioning
> 
> 
> Not enough information to provide an answer.  If the checkboxes are
> actually disabled on existing records, then I would suspect  code behind
> the form disabling them depending on specific circumstances.
> 
> Charlotte Foust
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Pedro Janssen [mailto:pedro at plex.nl] 
> Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 2:36 PM
> To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] checkboxes aren't functioning
> 
> 
> Hello Group,
> 
> how is it possible that suddenly on a form in almost al records certain
> checkboxes are working but in some records they don't function (are
> greyed out and can't make them "true" or "not true"). Nothing strange
> happened before.
> 
> Pedro Janssen
> -- 
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> -- 
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> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 
> 


From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Wed Aug 17 05:18:23 2005
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 11:18:23 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] checkboxes aren't functioning
Message-ID: <20050817101821.3D41525093E@smtp.nildram.co.uk>

Not sure why we got your last post 3 times Pedro, but I should think there's
a fair chance of a corruption, more likely of the BE given your description.
I'd certainly try repairing (and probably compacting) the BE before you look
further.

--
Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk




--------- Original Message --------
From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
To: "AccessD at databaseadvisors.com" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: RE: [AccessD] checkboxes aren't functioning
Date: 17/08/05 08:29


Hi,

There isn't a code behind the form where the checkboxes are involved in it.
This form has worked a year without any problems.
Now suddenly the checkboxes are giving troubles.
Could the database (front-end or back-end) be corrupt?

Pedro Janssen


In antwoord op:

> From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 14:54:03 -0700
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] checkboxes aren't functioning
>
>
> Not enough information to provide an answer. If the checkboxes are
> actually disabled on existing records, then I would suspect code behind
> the form disabling them depending on specific circumstances.
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Pedro Janssen [mailto:pedro at plex.nl]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 2:36 PM
> To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] checkboxes aren't functioning
>
>
> Hello Group,
>
> how is it possible that suddenly on a form in almost al records certain
> checkboxes are working but in some records they don't function (are
> greyed out and can't make them "true" or "not true"). Nothing strange
> happened before.
>
> Pedro Janssen
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> AccessD mailing list
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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Aug 17 06:05:41 2005
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 13:05:41 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Ajax and Atlas with XML
Message-ID: <s303363e.042@cactus.dk>

Hi Marty

Thanks! Great links.

/gustav


>>> martyconnelly at shaw.ca 08/16 9:49 pm >>>
If looking for xml info starter sites.

http://www.xml.org 
http://www.xml.com 
A vb oriented site was once vbxml.com
http://www.topxml.com 

Try to buy XML books published in last 3 years otherwise
you wont get latest in XSLT and  XQuery. Old books maybe based on old 
XSL patterns
which might prove confusing.


Now here is the latest buzz in XML development with AJAX.

In computer programming, AJAX (Asynchronous JavaScript and XML) is a 
method of building interactive applications for the Web that process 
user requests immediately.Ajax allows content on Web pages to update 
immediately when a user performs an action, unlike an HTTP request, 
during which users must wait for a whole new page to load. For example,

a weather forecasting site could display local conditions on one side
of 
the page without delay after a user types in a zip code.
Google Map works this way. ATLAS is a downloadable javascript engine 
Microsoft  is supposed to bring out in September at some convention.

How difficult is this stuff well it is not rocket science. But an 
amalgam of 4 or 5 techniques. Ajax combines several programming tools 
including JavaScript, dynamic HTML (DHTML), Extensible Markup Language

(XML), cascading style sheets (CSS), the Document Object Model (DOM), 
and the Microsoft object, XMLHttpRequest. After that you can use Web 
Services to grab the xml data. You could modify javascript to VBA too 
for use in Access.

Some sites where you can grab javascript source and  examples of Ajax
or 
download them

http://www.clearnova.com/ajax/index.html 
http://developer.apple.com/internet/webcontent/XMLHttpRequestExample/example.html


Articles
Dynamic HTML and xmlhttpRequest object
http://developer.apple.com/internet/webcontent/xmlhttpreq.html 

Jesse Garrett  What is Ajax?  (The guy that gave it the name)
http://www.adaptivepath.com/publications/essays/archives/000385.php 



From bheid at appdevgrp.com  Wed Aug 17 06:51:11 2005
From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 07:51:11 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Why is function being called??
In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30C5E2E7@ADGSERVER>
Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30ABEE57@ADGSERVER>

I don't understand.  

You are saying that DaysInMonth is a function.  Yet your code has:
DaysinMonth = DaysInMonth2(myds3.Fields(1))

By this, DaysInMonth2 is the function.  How is DaysInMonth declared?  

Bobby

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 5:24 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Why is function being called??


Below is a piece of code. DaysInMonth is a function. When the code runs
and hits the line  myds1.Fields(2) = Nz(myds4.Fields(8)) the function
runs. I don't see anything that is calling it. Your thoughts
appreciated.

 

Do Until myds4.EOF

    DaysinMonth = DaysInMonth2(myds3.Fields(1))

    If Day(myds3.Fields(1)) < DaysinMonth And RecordCounter = 1 Then

        StartCounter = Day(myds3.Fields(1))

        ProdDate = myds3.Fields(1)

    Else

        StartCounter = 1

        ProdDate = myds4.Fields(1)

    End If

        

    

    For I = StartCounter To DaysinMonth

        myds1.AddNew

            myds1.Fields(0) = ProdDate

            myds1.Fields(1) = myds4.Fields(0)

            myds1.Fields(2) = Nz(myds4.Fields(8))

        myds1.Update

        ProdDate = ProdDate + 1

    Next I

    RecordCounter = RecordCounter + 1

    myds4.MoveNext

Loop

 

Chester Kaup



From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com  Wed Aug 17 07:11:59 2005
From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 07:11:59 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Why is function being called??
Message-ID: <F1DD538AE6BCE74EBE562DE51564D322FABF7D@houexch1.kindermorgan.com>

My mistake DaysInMonth2 is a function. It is declared as an integer.
Thanks for looking.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby Heid
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 6:51 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Why is function being called??

I don't understand.  

You are saying that DaysInMonth is a function.  Yet your code has:
DaysinMonth = DaysInMonth2(myds3.Fields(1))

By this, DaysInMonth2 is the function.  How is DaysInMonth declared?  

Bobby

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 5:24 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Why is function being called??


Below is a piece of code. DaysInMonth is a function. When the code runs
and hits the line  myds1.Fields(2) = Nz(myds4.Fields(8)) the function
runs. I don't see anything that is calling it. Your thoughts
appreciated.

 

Do Until myds4.EOF

    DaysinMonth = DaysInMonth2(myds3.Fields(1))

    If Day(myds3.Fields(1)) < DaysinMonth And RecordCounter = 1 Then

        StartCounter = Day(myds3.Fields(1))

        ProdDate = myds3.Fields(1)

    Else

        StartCounter = 1

        ProdDate = myds4.Fields(1)

    End If

        

    

    For I = StartCounter To DaysinMonth

        myds1.AddNew

            myds1.Fields(0) = ProdDate

            myds1.Fields(1) = myds4.Fields(0)

            myds1.Fields(2) = Nz(myds4.Fields(8))

        myds1.Update

        ProdDate = ProdDate + 1

    Next I

    RecordCounter = RecordCounter + 1

    myds4.MoveNext

Loop

 

Chester Kaup

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From ssharkins at bellsouth.net  Wed Aug 17 07:44:11 2005
From: ssharkins at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 08:44:11 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] checkboxes aren't functioning
In-Reply-To: <00aa01c5a2aa$8221f250$fac581d5@pedro>
Message-ID: <20050817124430.HRTS24175.ibm69aec.bellsouth.net@SUSANONE>

Checkboxes have a tri-state, on, off, and Null. You might want to check that
-- perhaps someone accidentally changed it?

Although, if I'm not mistaken, even if the control is Null, you should still
be able to change it. 

Susan H. 

how is it possible that suddenly on a form in almost al records certain
checkboxes are working but in some records they don't function (are greyed
out and can't make them "true" or "not true").
Nothing strange happened before.




From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Aug 17 07:51:34 2005
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 08:51:34 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] checkboxes aren't functioning
In-Reply-To: <20050817124430.HRTS24175.ibm69aec.bellsouth.net@SUSANONE>
Message-ID: <00b101c5a32a$6628a1e0$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

However what if it is bound to a non-boolean field.  For example it is bound
to an integer, the integer can contain 0 and -1 (and null) so it looks like
it works just fine.  But what happens if the field gets set to something
other than null, 0 or -1?

Note I have never tested this, just throwing it out....

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 8:44 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] checkboxes aren't functioning


Checkboxes have a tri-state, on, off, and Null. You might want to check that
-- perhaps someone accidentally changed it?

Although, if I'm not mistaken, even if the control is Null, you should still
be able to change it. 

Susan H. 

how is it possible that suddenly on a form in almost al records certain
checkboxes are working but in some records they don't function (are greyed
out and can't make them "true" or "not true"). Nothing strange happened
before.


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From prosoft6 at hotmail.com  Wed Aug 17 07:57:42 2005
From: prosoft6 at hotmail.com (Julie Reardon-Taylor)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 08:57:42 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas
In-Reply-To: <001c01c5a29b$4bb39ca0$6401a8c0@laptop1>
Message-ID: <BAY104-F37CC9E6F72A915608D9E9F9AB30@phx.gbl>

No.  The company is in NY.  The salaries range from $37,000 to $65,000.



Julie Reardon-Taylor
PRO-SOFT OF NY, INC.
44 Public Square Suite #5
Watertown, NY 13601
Phone/Fax: (315) 785-0319
www.pro-soft.net




From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com  Wed Aug 17 07:59:37 2005
From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 07:59:37 -0500
Subject: FW: [AccessD] Why is function being called??
Message-ID: <F1DD538AE6BCE74EBE562DE51564D322FABF91@houexch1.kindermorgan.com>

Problem resolved. Myds4 is the result of a select query that uses the
DaysInMonth2 function. Might speed things up if the query was a make
table and DaysInMonth2 would not have to recalculate all the time.

-----Original Message-----
From: Kaup, Chester 
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 7:11 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Why is function being called??

My mistake DaysInMonth2 is a function. It is declared as an integer.
Thanks for looking.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby Heid
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 6:51 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Why is function being called??

I don't understand.  

You are saying that DaysInMonth is a function.  Yet your code has:
DaysinMonth = DaysInMonth2(myds3.Fields(1))

By this, DaysInMonth2 is the function.  How is DaysInMonth declared?  

Bobby

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 5:24 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Why is function being called??


Below is a piece of code. DaysInMonth is a function. When the code runs
and hits the line  myds1.Fields(2) = Nz(myds4.Fields(8)) the function
runs. I don't see anything that is calling it. Your thoughts
appreciated.

 

Do Until myds4.EOF

    DaysinMonth = DaysInMonth2(myds3.Fields(1))

    If Day(myds3.Fields(1)) < DaysinMonth And RecordCounter = 1 Then

        StartCounter = Day(myds3.Fields(1))

        ProdDate = myds3.Fields(1)

    Else

        StartCounter = 1

        ProdDate = myds4.Fields(1)

    End If

        

    

    For I = StartCounter To DaysinMonth

        myds1.AddNew

            myds1.Fields(0) = ProdDate

            myds1.Fields(1) = myds4.Fields(0)

            myds1.Fields(2) = Nz(myds4.Fields(8))

        myds1.Update

        ProdDate = ProdDate + 1

    Next I

    RecordCounter = RecordCounter + 1

    myds4.MoveNext

Loop

 

Chester Kaup

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From bheid at appdevgrp.com  Wed Aug 17 08:02:53 2005
From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 09:02:53 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Why is function being called??
In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30C5E38D@ADGSERVER>
Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30ABEE58@ADGSERVER>

I figured so, I was just making sure.

So you are saying that DaysInMonth2 is being called when you execute the
line

myds1.Fields(2) = Nz(myds4.Fields(8))

If so, the only thing that I can think of that might cause this is some sort
of corruption in the FE.  Have you tried a decompile/compile or importing
the FE into a new FE?

Bobby

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 8:12 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Why is function being called??


My mistake DaysInMonth2 is a function. It is declared as an integer.
Thanks for looking.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby Heid
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 6:51 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Why is function being called??

I don't understand.  

You are saying that DaysInMonth is a function.  Yet your code has:
DaysinMonth = DaysInMonth2(myds3.Fields(1))

By this, DaysInMonth2 is the function.  How is DaysInMonth declared?  

Bobby

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 5:24 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Why is function being called??


Below is a piece of code. DaysInMonth is a function. When the code runs
and hits the line  myds1.Fields(2) = Nz(myds4.Fields(8)) the function
runs. I don't see anything that is calling it. Your thoughts
appreciated.

 

Do Until myds4.EOF

    DaysinMonth = DaysInMonth2(myds3.Fields(1))

    If Day(myds3.Fields(1)) < DaysinMonth And RecordCounter = 1 Then

        StartCounter = Day(myds3.Fields(1))

        ProdDate = myds3.Fields(1)

    Else

        StartCounter = 1

        ProdDate = myds4.Fields(1)

    End If

        

    

    For I = StartCounter To DaysinMonth

        myds1.AddNew

            myds1.Fields(0) = ProdDate

            myds1.Fields(1) = myds4.Fields(0)

            myds1.Fields(2) = Nz(myds4.Fields(8))

        myds1.Update

        ProdDate = ProdDate + 1

    Next I

    RecordCounter = RecordCounter + 1

    myds4.MoveNext

Loop

 

Chester Kaup



From jimdettman at earthlink.net  Wed Aug 17 08:10:00 2005
From: jimdettman at earthlink.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 09:10:00 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Bug Report
In-Reply-To: <004201c5a259$b0d252d0$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <NDEALJOEGMMPCDKIFGNFAEBOELAA.jimdettman@earthlink.net>

John,

  OK.  Just wanted to make sure I was understanding correctly.

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 7:58 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Bug Report


Oh, sorry.  I was discussing my particular bug, not the "breakpoint" case.

/decompile definitely has always solved the cases I've seen of the
"breakpoint" issue.  And I see it quite often.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

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http://folding.stanford.edu/

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 7:31 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Bug Report


John,

  I thought you said the other day that this didn't work for you?

"Yea, I've seen this too.  Breaks even though the breakbpoint was removed. I
think it is the same issue, i.e. "invisible stuff" in the source code that
is not properly stripped out.

Unfortunately /decompile does not help in this case.  All that /decompile
does is throw out the pcode stream forcing a recompile of the entire source
code stream.  If the source stream is bad then the next compile will just
recreate the bad pcode."

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 7:17 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Bug Report


A /decompile / compile / compact / repair has always fixed it for me.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 6:17 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Bug Report


Rocky,

  None that I'm aware of.  I usually do a /decompile as soon as I see the
weird stuff start to happen.

  That pretty much clears it up.  If not, I go to a backup.

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
Beach Access Software
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 4:36 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Bug Report


Jim:

"code breaks on a line where a breakpoint was but is no longer"

I've had this happen as well, even more embarrassing, at the customer when
suddenly they find themselves in the code page with a yellow highlight.  Has
there been no fix for this from MS?

Rocky


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From carbonnb at sympatico.ca  Wed Aug 17 08:14:42 2005
From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 09:14:42 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas
In-Reply-To: <0ILA0086LN63B7@l-daemon>
References: <BAYC1-PASMTP0207B39A1274386D8BD230AEB00@cez.ice>
Message-ID: <BAYC1-PASMTP049C386FD99FE32728FACCAEB30@cez.ice>

On 15 Aug 2005 at 19:34, Jim Lawrence wrote:

> Our web site needs a lot of work to move to the next level.
> 
> A few simple things that would require a bit of research... 
> 
> 1. Create the definitive link list for the site. You know most of the
> sites from but there are a few out there that are not obvious but
> definitely should be counted... like 'http://www.colbyconsulting.com/'
> or 'http://www.rogersaccesslibrary.com' or
> 'http://www.mvps.org/access/' and many more. It would be great to be
> able to create the ultimate Access research page. 

You just listed the only sites I use for Access stuff. :)

I do have a series of links in my favourites at work that I can't get 
access to at the moment :( Ya just gotta love union negotiations that 
end in lockouts instead of a new contract :(

> 2. Putting some of the great comments and code snippets into either a
> gazette or new article for upcoming issues(s).

Hmmmm, this could be an interesting challenge

> 3 List member advertisement pages stores on a MS SQL DB. This is not
> confirmed by the executive yet but I believe it makes sense. We should
> be supporting our list members' accomplishment like their books,
> articles, programs or even design and support companies. We are a way
> from implementing this but the format, design, and coding can be
> started as it will be a lengthy development from creation to
> implementation.

The problem is that I don't know anything about MS SQL of interfacing 
in with the web. Nor do I have access to a box with MS SQL and IIS.

> 4. There is of course .Net... and XML/HXML/AJAX... where much of
> Access development is heading/expanding. It is a truly distributive
> application development platform and the performance is really awesome
> when using ASP.Net client side is coupled with ADO.Net... 'a thousand
> users are serviced as fast as one' (Not mine but a quote from a
> book.). Should we be looking seriously at this? Articles, new lists,
> roll our own? 

Too many acronymns :) Seriously, I think it would be just a bit too 
much for me to learn all at once right now.

> These are just a few of the web site work that is waiting to be
> started and implemented.  

There are some good ideas there Jim. I may plug away at some of them.

> Our current web site owners are having some problems getting our MS
> SQL server up and running again but we will be getting MS SQL support
> one way or the other. So you can work/plan for/with a MS SQL set of
> option/solutions.

See above :(

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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Wed Aug 17 08:17:12 2005
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 14:17:12 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] checkboxes aren't functioning
Message-ID: <20050817131709.1F6D024E99C@smtp.nildram.co.uk>

IIRC it shows tick if -1 and no tick (ie False) if anything else, or
vice-versa.  I don't think it'd cause this, though like you I haven't
tested.

And Susan's right. If the value is Null it shows a grey tick box but allows
you to tick/untick.

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--------- Original Message --------
From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: RE: [AccessD] checkboxes aren't functioning
Date: 17/08/05 12:54


However what if it is bound to a non-boolean field. For example it is bound
to an integer, the integer can contain 0 and -1 (and null) so it looks like
it works just fine. But what happens if the field gets set to something
other than null, 0 or -1?

Note I have never tested this, just throwing it out....

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 8:44 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] checkboxes aren't functioning


Checkboxes have a tri-state, on, off, and Null. You might want to check that
-- perhaps someone accidentally changed it?

Although, if I'm not mistaken, even if the control is Null, you should still
be able to change it.

Susan H.

how is it possible that suddenly on a form in almost al records certain
checkboxes are working but in some records they don't function (are greyed
out and can't make them "true" or "not true"). Nothing strange happened
before.


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From carbonnb at sympatico.ca  Wed Aug 17 08:19:49 2005
From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 09:19:49 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas
In-Reply-To: <004001c5a253$afa50520$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>
References: <000e01c5a230$049f5d10$2c1f0c54@minster33c3r25>
Message-ID: <BAYC1-PASMTP020B6612A278FFBBA223ABAEB30@cez.ice>

On 16 Aug 2005 at 7:14, John W. Colby wrote:

> Oooooohhh I have a great idea for that one.

So, what is it?

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey

> Hi Bryan
> Really sorry to hear that.
> 
> How about the long-awaited v2 of BEU?

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up later, the damage remains.




From carbonnb at sympatico.ca  Wed Aug 17 08:19:49 2005
From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 09:19:49 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas
In-Reply-To: <000e01c5a230$049f5d10$2c1f0c54@minster33c3r25>
References: <BAYC1-PASMTP033CA742B4404F9E332174AEB00@cez.ice>
Message-ID: <BAYC1-PASMTP02A91E12A7404F651E7843AEB30@cez.ice>

On 16 Aug 2005 at 7:59, Andy Lacey wrote:

> Really sorry to hear that.
> 
> How about the long-awaited v2 of BEU?

We were just going to make V2 an library? Or was that V 3?

I don't remember. I suppose I could always go back and look at the 
archives, eh? :)

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From carbonnb at sympatico.ca  Wed Aug 17 08:19:49 2005
From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 09:19:49 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86873BB8@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <BAYC1-PASMTP02DD99B384FDA387B1A44CAEB30@cez.ice>

On 16 Aug 2005 at 8:43, Charlotte Foust wrote:

> Get the student version and dive into VB.Net.  It takes time to learn
> but the results are well worth it.

Money is in short supply so purchasing new software is out of the 
question. 

Have you looked at #develop, the Open Source .Net IDE 
(http://www.sharpdevelop.net/OpenSource/SD/Default.aspx)?

Would that be as effective at learning VB.Net as MS.Net?

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From carbonnb at sympatico.ca  Wed Aug 17 08:19:49 2005
From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 09:19:49 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas
In-Reply-To: <BAY104-F11C0546937BA8EAFAB50889AB00@phx.gbl>
References: <s301ae37.009@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <BAYC1-PASMTP0260565593CC5914115EB9AEB30@cez.ice>

On 16 Aug 2005 at 8:50, Julie Reardon-Taylor wrote:

> Where are you located?  I know of a company who is trying to fill
> sixteen IT positions this fall.

I'm in Toronto, Canada. Close to NY, but not close enough to work 
there :(

-- 
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promoted. 




From carbonnb at sympatico.ca  Wed Aug 17 08:24:58 2005
From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 09:24:58 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas
In-Reply-To: <6A6AA9DF57E4F046BDA1E273BDDB677233778A@corp-es01.fleetpride.com>
Message-ID: <BAYC1-PASMTP02D8B37413C2A182594624AEB30@cez.ice>

On 16 Aug 2005 at 14:25, Hale, Jim wrote:

> One of my favorite Access books was "Access 95 How-To" by Ken Getz and
> Paul Litwin. It was updated and re-released as the "Access Cookbook"
> by O'Reilly in 2002. This book posed a problem and provided the
> solution together with a detailed explanation. No extraneous junk. The
> reason I bring this up is that I think an AccessD book organized along
> the same lines would make a fantastic project. After all, the archives
> have hundreds of solution unavailable elsewhere. AccessD could receive
> royalties along with the author to allow the group to continue paying
> its modest bills. I presume releases would be required from posters
> since some material (such as John's framework tutorials) are intended
> for publication in their own book. As the authors on this list can
> attest no book is an "easy" project but I think this would be a win
> for AccessD, developers, and the author willing to take on the job. My
> 2 cents.

This sounds quite interesting. I think a DBA sponsored book would 
need the BOD's approval prior to starting though.

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From carbonnb at sympatico.ca  Wed Aug 17 08:24:58 2005
From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 09:24:58 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas
In-Reply-To: <123701F54509D9119A4F00D0B747349016DD4C@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <BAYC1-PASMTP0237A4E66F697620623181AEB30@cez.ice>

On 16 Aug 2005 at 14:59, DWUTKA at marlow.com wrote:

> That's easy, and requires no code or special hardware.  Just call up
> JC, and tell him that you don't think his framework would hand
> XYZ...and let him prove you wrong.  When he has given you proof, thank
> him, tell him he's stellar, and a god among mortals, and walk away
> with completed JC Classes.

Even easier solution, just send an e-mail to JC :)

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typewriters will eventually reproduce the entire works of 
Shakespeare.
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Wilensky (1997)]




From carbonnb at sympatico.ca  Wed Aug 17 08:24:58 2005
From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 09:24:58 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas
In-Reply-To: <200508161908.j7GJ8aR24489@databaseadvisors.com>
References: <BAYC1-PASMTP0207B39A1274386D8BD230AEB00@cez.ice>
Message-ID: <BAYC1-PASMTP021BF5F1E20EC33D072F93AEB30@cez.ice>

On 16 Aug 2005 at 14:08, John Bartow wrote:

> An ambitiuos question!

Ambitious is good, if I know the content :)

> How about a set of classes for easily automating Word from Access?

What benefit would that be, instead of just using the Word Object 
model directly?

And more importantly, what would you like to see in it?

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From carbonnb at sympatico.ca  Wed Aug 17 08:24:58 2005
From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 09:24:58 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas
In-Reply-To: <123701F54509D9119A4F00D0B747349016DD4A@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <BAYC1-PASMTP0214FF569986104CF144B0AEB30@cez.ice>

On 16 Aug 2005 at 11:29, DWUTKA at marlow.com wrote:

> How about a master table-linker service?  Create a service that can be
> run on any machine in the network, which 'knows' the location of all
> linked tables.  One module in the database runs at startup, 'scans'
> the network for the 'server' which tells it if it needs to relink it's
> tables or not.

Besides running as a service, how would that be much different from 
any of the other relinkers out there?

Wouldn't something that scans the network put a heavy load on the 
network?

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From carbonnb at sympatico.ca  Wed Aug 17 08:30:12 2005
From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 09:30:12 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas
In-Reply-To: <20050816234508.20273.qmail@web80802.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <005201c5a2b9$7e409ba0$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <BAYC1-PASMTP0451A165E5BF55E049596CAEB30@cez.ice>

On 16 Aug 2005 at 16:45, David Mcafee wrote:

> Speaking of which, isn't it that time again?

Yep. I think so. The last one, IIRC, was at Lembit's place in Germany 
last summer.

I think we need one in Canada this time. Somewhere in Southern 
Ontario is my suggestion :)

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That the less time I have to work with, the more things I get done.




From carbonnb at sympatico.ca  Wed Aug 17 08:30:11 2005
From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 09:30:11 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas
In-Reply-To: <BAY104-F37CC9E6F72A915608D9E9F9AB30@phx.gbl>
References: <001c01c5a29b$4bb39ca0$6401a8c0@laptop1>
Message-ID: <BAYC1-PASMTP04DFF06B141410A541135AAEB30@cez.ice>

On 17 Aug 2005 at 8:57, Julie Reardon-Taylor wrote:

> No.  The company is in NY.  The salaries range from $37,000 to
> $65,000.

Decent salaries, but too far for me :-((

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You're just jealous because the voices only talk to me.




From mikedorism at verizon.net  Wed Aug 17 08:36:13 2005
From: mikedorism at verizon.net (Mike & Doris Manning)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 09:36:13 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] checkboxes aren't functioning
In-Reply-To: <20050817131709.1F6D024E99C@smtp.nildram.co.uk>
Message-ID: <000d01c5a330$a41674e0$2e01a8c0@dorismanning>

Are you sure the controls haven't been set to Enabled = False and Locked =
True?

Doris Manning
Database Administrator
Hargrove Inc.
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From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com  Wed Aug 17 08:37:32 2005
From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 08:37:32 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Why is function being called??
Message-ID: <F1DD538AE6BCE74EBE562DE51564D322FABFCE@houexch1.kindermorgan.com>

Myds4 is the result of a select query that uses the DayInMonth2
function. I appears that each time a record that the query generates is
accessed it runs the function. Just as a test I changed the query to a
make table query and changed the code to use the make table query. Now
no calling of the function occurs. Go figure?

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby Heid
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 8:03 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Why is function being called??

I figured so, I was just making sure.

So you are saying that DaysInMonth2 is being called when you execute the
line

myds1.Fields(2) = Nz(myds4.Fields(8))

If so, the only thing that I can think of that might cause this is some
sort
of corruption in the FE.  Have you tried a decompile/compile or
importing
the FE into a new FE?

Bobby

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 8:12 AM
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Subject: RE: [AccessD] Why is function being called??


My mistake DaysInMonth2 is a function. It is declared as an integer.
Thanks for looking.

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Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 6:51 AM
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Subject: RE: [AccessD] Why is function being called??

I don't understand.  

You are saying that DaysInMonth is a function.  Yet your code has:
DaysinMonth = DaysInMonth2(myds3.Fields(1))

By this, DaysInMonth2 is the function.  How is DaysInMonth declared?  

Bobby

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Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 5:24 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Why is function being called??


Below is a piece of code. DaysInMonth is a function. When the code runs
and hits the line  myds1.Fields(2) = Nz(myds4.Fields(8)) the function
runs. I don't see anything that is calling it. Your thoughts
appreciated.

 

Do Until myds4.EOF

    DaysinMonth = DaysInMonth2(myds3.Fields(1))

    If Day(myds3.Fields(1)) < DaysinMonth And RecordCounter = 1 Then

        StartCounter = Day(myds3.Fields(1))

        ProdDate = myds3.Fields(1)

    Else

        StartCounter = 1

        ProdDate = myds4.Fields(1)

    End If

        

    

    For I = StartCounter To DaysinMonth

        myds1.AddNew

            myds1.Fields(0) = ProdDate

            myds1.Fields(1) = myds4.Fields(0)

            myds1.Fields(2) = Nz(myds4.Fields(8))

        myds1.Update

        ProdDate = ProdDate + 1

    Next I

    RecordCounter = RecordCounter + 1

    myds4.MoveNext

Loop

 

Chester Kaup

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From ssharkins at bellsouth.net  Wed Aug 17 08:39:30 2005
From: ssharkins at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 09:39:30 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] checkboxes aren't functioning
In-Reply-To: <20050817131709.1F6D024E99C@smtp.nildram.co.uk>
Message-ID: <20050817133927.NVUV3975.ibm66aec.bellsouth.net@SUSANONE>

I usually don't do this -- but I forgot who asked the original question. I
don't think there's anything in here to solve the original problem, but
thought some of you might find it helpful. There are two articles (no
figures unfortunately, and the copyrights are intact at the bottom of each).
If anyone has a subscription, I'll be glad to send the links so you can get
figures and all. The first article isn't exactly relevant, but more an
extension of the second article, which is specifically about the Tri-state
property. I should've copied them in reverse order -- sorry about that. 

Susan H. 

Tweak combobox settings to appropriately display and store Boolean values
by Susan Sales Harkins and Gustav Brock
Application(s): Microsoft Access 97/2000/2002/2003
Operating System(s): Microsoft Windows
Access lets you define a field as a Yes/No data type, which denotes a
Boolean value. That means the field stores only two values: -1 and 0. The
checkbox control is the natural and logical choice to interact with this
data type. In fact, the Form wizards automatically use a check box to
present the Yes/No data type in a form. However, there may be times when you
want to use a different control, such as a combobox control. Unfortunately,
other controls aren't as inherently compatible with Boolean values and might
need a bit of tweaking to handle them appropriately. In this article, we'll
show you how to trick both a bound and an unbound combo box into displaying
Boolean values.
No place for maybes
In the Boolean world, there's no maybe-there's only -1 and 0. The Boolean
data type, named Yes/No in Access, represents a two-position state of
activity: True/False, On/Off, Yes/No, and so on. Regardless of the format
you use to display a Yes/No field's values to the user, the underlying
values will always be -1 or 0, where -1 represents the active position (Yes)
and 0 represents the inactive position (No).
As mentioned before, the checkbox control is a natural choice for displaying
Boolean values in a bound control. Like the data type, the check box has two
positions: selected and deselected. Using a control such as a combobox
requires a little work because the combobox control isn't restricted to just
two values. The combobox bound to a Boolean field is the easiest to adapt,
so that's where we'll start. Then, we'll look at a special problem that
crops up when using an unbound combobox with Boolean values.
Related article
For another way to visually present Boolean values, see the De-cember 2003
article "Using the Triple State property to express a Null value in Boolean
controls." You can view the article online at
http://www.elementkjournals.com%2fpremier%2fjournal_archive.asp?vwJournalID=
IMA#200312.
Examining the problems with combobox controls bound to Yes/No fields
The first problem that appears when you bind a combobox control to a Yes/No
field is that the con-trol displays the Boolean values, -1 and 0, instead of
Yes and No. In addition, although the bound combo box displays the
underlying values, the list compo-nent is empty, as shown in Figure A. The
control is actually performing properly by displaying the ac-tual values and
not any representative text, since no representative text has been supplied
yet.
Figure A: A combo box bound to a Yes/No field displays the numeric Boolean
values by default. 

Making bound combobox controls Boolean-friendly
Fortunately, it's easy to get a combo box to appropriately display a Boolean
value. To demonstrate, create a table that includes some Yes/No fields,
similar to the ones shown in Figure A. Add a few records and then create a
new form that's bound to the table. Instead of dragging the Yes/No fields
from the field list, add combobox controls to the form and bind the controls
to the fields by setting the Control Source property appropriately.
Once you've finished setting up the form, switch to Form view and experiment
with the combobox controls. You'll find that they exhibit the behavior
described in the previous section. Now, switch back to Design view and we'll
address the issues.
First, set the control's Format property to Yes/No. The modified control
interprets the underlying value and displays the appropriate text value: Yes
or No. However, the list is still empty.
To create an appropriate list, change the control's Row Source Type property
to Value List. Then, enter a Row Source setting of
Yes;No
Figure B shows the impact that just these few changes have on the control.
The combo box now displays the representative text value in the text box,
and it displays appropriate values as list items.
Figure B: Use the control's Format property to determine the text values and
the Row Source property to set the list values. 

Note that you don't have to choose an item from the control's list. If you
type -1 in the combo box and then press [Enter], the control displays Yes;
type 0 in the combo box and press [Enter] and the control displays No. Keep
in mind that the control's text box accepts any value, not just the values
-1 and 0. Any numeric value other than 0, including negative values, returns
a true result (Yes, True, and On). If you must restrict data input to just
-1 and 0, add a validation rule or use VBA. An unbound combobox behaves in
the same way.
Handling Boolean values in an unbound combobox control
An unbound combobox that displays just Boolean values is a bit unusual, but
certainly acceptable. You can use the properties reviewed in the previous
section to get the unbound control to behave the same way as far as
displaying values is concerned. Just remember, you must use the Format
property to determine the displayed value. If you don't set the Format
property, the control displays the actual input value. Unlike the bound
control, the unbound control has no underlying data type to force a
compatible Boolean entry.
The main difference of concern is the control's value. If you open the table
bound to your sample form, you'll find that the control updated the bound
fields as you'd expect-the Yes/No field stores only -1 and 0. The Yes and No
strings in the combo box are just for show. The bound combobox will always
equal a true or false value (-1 or 0). An unbound control isn't as
predictable.
For this example, create a form and add two unbound combobox controls. Set
the Format property as before and rename the first control cbo1. Then, open
the VBE and add the following event procedure:
Private Sub Cbo1_LostFocus()
 Debug.Print cbo1.Value
End Sub
Return to the form in Form view and enter the value -1 in the first combobox
and move focus to the second control. The text box component returns the
value Yes, as you expect. Return to the VBE and you'll see the value -1 in
the Immediate window (the result of the event procedure).
Return to the form and enter the value True in the first combobox. The text
box component again correctly interprets the value as Yes, but the control
actually equals the value True, as shown in Figure C. Return to the form and
enter any numeric value, and then check the Immediate window. You'll see
that the control itself always equals the input value and not the Boolean
values -1 or 0. Remember, the bound example accepted values other than -1
and 0, but the underlying Boolean data type forced the control to interpret
the value as either -1 or 0. The unbound control won't force a Boolean
value. The Format property forces the displayed value, but it doesn't
convert the input value.
Figure C: The unbound control equals the input value, not a Boolean value. 

Forcing valid Boolean values in an unbound combobox control
There's an easy solution to the unbound problem. Force the control to equal
either -1 or 0 by changing the Row Source setting to
-1;Yes;0;No
Then, change the Row Source Type property to Value List. Finally, change the
Column Count property to 2 and change the Column Widths property to 0". As a
result, the unbound control continues to display Yes and No in the list and
it equals the appropriate Boolean value. However, the control itself is a
bit limited. The control accepts only the values Yes and No. This limitation
could be good or bad depending on your needs.
After modifying the properties, enter the value Yes in the combo box and
then check the Immediate window. This time the value in the Immediate window
is -1; enter No and the value is 0.
Formatting choices besides Yes/No
Both of our examples use the Yes/No format set at the control level. The
True/False or On/Off formats behave similarly, in keeping with the
underlying Boolean values. Just remember that -1 equals Yes, True, and On; 0
equals No, False, and Off. Additional considerations may be needed if your
application serves an international audience, as described in the
accompanying article "Automatically localize Boolean values in control
lists."
(https://www.elementkjournals.com%2fpremier%2fjournal_archive.asp?vwJournalI
D=IMA#20051)
Expanding your control choice options
Although it's probably easiest to use a check box to represent Boolean
values, there can be times when another control is better suited to an entry
form or interface. As we've shown you, a combobox control can be a viable
alternative-with just a bit of coercion.
Gustav Brock is a consultant who has been working with Microsoft Access
since version 1.0. Gustav is a developer at Cactus Data ApS, an independent
software house specializing in accounting and time billing systems and
custom database applications. You can contact Gustav at
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Using the Triple State property to express a Null value in Boolean controls
by Susan Sales Harkins
Application(s): Microsoft Access 97/2000/2002
Operating System(s): <none>
There are several native Access controls that are typically used to imply
one setting of a dual state. The check box, toggle button, and even the
option button are all usually used to display or offer a choice between two
settings: yes and no, true and false, on and off, and so on. Occasionally,
you'll find that two states aren't enough-sometimes a Null value can be just
as critical as true and false. In this article, we'll show you how to flip
that on/off switch a third way to also accommodate Null values.
Showing three states with one control
Before directly working with any controls, we'll start with a quick rundown
of the key behaviors associated with controls that are used to indicate true
or false states and discuss how to influence the way in which Null values
are handled. Then, we'll examine the default control behavior firsthand
using a form and some unbound controls. Finally, we'll show you how to
accommodate Null values, which is especially important to know when your
controls are bound to a data source.
About Boolean type controls
Access has a robust set of interface controls and knowing all the little
behaviors and special properties is a lot of work. For instance, there are a
few controls, referred to as Boolean controls because they accept or display
only Boolean values-true and false. Internally, Access actually stores the
values -1 and 0, respectively, but the purpose is the same. That purpose is
to act somewhat like a switch between two states, such as on and off, yes
and no, and true and false.
The matter can be confusing once you throw the Null value into the mix
because the control must somehow handle three values. All three of Access'
Boolean controls, the check box, the toggle button, and the option button
(known to some as a radio button), can display two states. Fortunately, all
three controls can also handle a third state if you simply set the Triple
State property to Yes.
The Triple State property
With the Triple State property set to No (the default state), each of the
three controls will interpret a Null value as a False value. Although a Null
value isn't the same as a False value, the arrangement works well, most of
the time. However, when your need to know that Null really means Null, the
default state just won't do. Setting the control's Triple State property to
Yes allows the control to interpret a Null value in addition to the
traditional Boolean values of True and False.
Examining an unbound example
Working with an unbound form is the best way to illustrate how these
controls work. To do so, create a new form and add one of each of the three
Boolean type controls: a check box, a toggle button, and an option button
(don't worry about including the latter within an option group). Name the
controls chk, tgl, and opt, respectively. Then, insert a label control
containing a few blank spaces to the right of each Boolean control. Name the
label controls lblChk, lblTgl, and lblOpt, accordingly. You'll use these
labels to display the numeric value of each control as you cycle through
True and False (and later the Null) states.
Next, open the form's module and add the event procedures in Listing A.
Close the VBE and save the form as frmUnbound. Now, switch to Form view.
When you switch to Form view for the first time, the check box and option
button will be dimmed (or grayed out).
Listing A: Control Click event procedures 
Private Sub chk_Click()
lblChk.Caption = chk.Value
End Sub

Private Sub tgl_Click()
lblTgl.Caption = tgl.Value
End Sub

Private Sub opt_Click()
lblOpt.Caption = opt.Value
End Sub
By default, the controls' Triple State properties are set to No. As such,
the controls display only two states-True and False. Select the check box,
click the toggle button, and select the option button. This selected or
clicked state is shown in the form on the left in Figure A. Now, deselect
the check box, unclick the toggle button, and deselect the option button to
display the second state, as represented in the form on the right.
Figure A: By default, the Boolean type controls display only two states. 

The visual state is a clue to the control's value. As you can see in each
control's corresponding label, a clicked or selected control represents a
True value (-1) and an unclicked or deselected state represents a False
value (0). A third set of clicks cycles the controls to the True state
again.
Working with a bound example
Now, let's see how they handle a Null value. At this point, it's important
to note that the underlying data type must accept at least three values: -1,
0, and Null. To set up the example, close the form and create a new table.
Add three Numeric fields to the table named chk, tgl, and opt. Finally, save
the table as tblBound and close it.
Next, open your form in Design view and save it as frmBound to create a
copy. Then, set the form's Record Source property to tblBound. Set each
control's Control Source property to its corresponding field in tblBound.
Save the form and then switch to Form view. At first, the controls appear
empty because their bound fields contain no values. At this point, cycling
through the controls' states will have the same effect as you saw
earlier-the controls display just the two states of True and False.
Now, set all of the controls to a False state and switch the form to Design
view. Next, change each of the Boolean type controls' Triple State
properties to Yes. Then, replace the previous event procedures with the ones
shown in Listing B. If you don't use the new procedures, the old ones will
return an error when the control equals Null.
Listing B: Code to reflect three states 
Private Sub chk_Click()
  If IsNull(chk) Then
    lblChk.Caption = "Null"
  Else
    lblChk.Caption = chk.Value
  End If
End Sub

Private Sub opt_Click()
  If IsNull(opt) Then
    lblOpt.Caption = "Null"
  Else
    lblOpt.Caption = opt.Value
  End If
End Sub

Private Sub tgl_Click()
  If IsNull(tgl) Then
    lblTgl.Caption = "Null"
  Else
    lblTgl.Caption = tgl.Value
  End If
End Sub
Close the VBE, save the form, and switch to Form view. Click on each control
to cycle past the False state and you'll see that they display the newly
enabled Null state, as shown in Figure B.
Figure B: These controls accept and display a Null value. 

Using VBA to set the TripleState property
Setting a control's Triple State property programmatically is simple, just
identify the control and set the TripleState property to True or False as
follows:
control.TripleState = True | False
where True sets the property to Yes, forcing the control to accept and
display Null values. A False setting, or No, is the default setting, which
displays just the True and False states.
A quick trip to the state of either, or, and Null
The Null value is a mystery to most and many avoid it because they simply
don't know how to handle it. However, knowing it's out and about is the
safest way to deal with Null values. When you need to know the difference
between True, False, and Null, use a Boolean type control and set its Triple
State property to Yes. As a result, the control will accommodate the Null
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IIRC it shows tick if -1 and no tick (ie False) if anything else, or
vice-versa.  I don't think it'd cause this, though like you I haven't
tested.

And Susan's right. If the value is Null it shows a grey tick box but allows
you to tick/untick.




From ldoering at symphonyinfo.com  Wed Aug 17 08:45:01 2005
From: ldoering at symphonyinfo.com (Liz Doering)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 08:45:01 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] WIERD little problem
Message-ID: <855499653F55AD4190B242717DF132BC08317F@dewey.Symphony.local>

Karen,

Have you checked the tables used in the report for a corrupt record?


Liz Doering
Symphony Information Services
liz at symphonyinfo.com
www.symphonyinfo.com


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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Karen
Rosenstiel
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 5:31 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] WIERD little problem

I have a simple little scheduling database, front end and back end. I
tried
to print a report for tomorrow - a simple list - the database crashed.
For
some strange reason I cannot print the reports I need for tomorrow,
although
I could print reports for different dates - just not for tomorrow. It
closed
itself down and tried to compact itself and send a report to MS. 

At that point, I discovered that one of staff left open the front end
with a
little popup form from which you can view or print the reports wide
open. I
got her out of a meeting to shut down her open Access and then deleted
the
backup copies and the .ldb files. I could compact/repair the BE but not
the
FE. 

Has anybody had anything like this happen before? Any suggestions? I
need to
mention that I can't send the database to anybody for inspection because
of
confidentiality restrictions (I work in a jail health clinic).

Thanks in advance.

Regards,

Karen Rosenstiel
Seattle WA USA 


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From prosoft6 at hotmail.com  Wed Aug 17 08:40:22 2005
From: prosoft6 at hotmail.com (Julie Reardon-Taylor)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 09:40:22 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas
In-Reply-To: <430303A4.15885.683255@carbonnb.sympatico.ca>
Message-ID: <BAY104-F10607FDF34FEBF68258E019AB30@phx.gbl>


Yes. Definitely Canada....Ontario would be great!  It's only 40 miles away.


Julie Reardon-Taylor
PRO-SOFT OF NY, INC.
44 Public Square Suite #5
Watertown, NY 13601
Phone/Fax: (315) 785-0319
www.pro-soft.net




From dejpolsys at hotmail.com  Wed Aug 17 08:42:19 2005
From: dejpolsys at hotmail.com (William Hindman)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 09:42:19 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas
References: <BAYC1-PASMTP02D8B37413C2A182594624AEB30@cez.ice>
Message-ID: <BAY103-DAV12D986B0590C2B90EB0BF3AEB30@phx.gbl>

..with Harkins, Colby, and Martin among others here already published, the 
idea of an "AccessD" book with you doing the grunt work and using the list 
members as your resource and critic, getting approval shouldn't be a problem 
..if just the list members bought copies, and you gave AccessD a share of 
the profits, it should put a cushion under the list finances for quite a 
while ...besides which, think how a really good Access book would look on 
your resume :)

William

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Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 9:24 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas


> On 16 Aug 2005 at 14:25, Hale, Jim wrote:
>
>> One of my favorite Access books was "Access 95 How-To" by Ken Getz and
>> Paul Litwin. It was updated and re-released as the "Access Cookbook"
>> by O'Reilly in 2002. This book posed a problem and provided the
>> solution together with a detailed explanation. No extraneous junk. The
>> reason I bring this up is that I think an AccessD book organized along
>> the same lines would make a fantastic project. After all, the archives
>> have hundreds of solution unavailable elsewhere. AccessD could receive
>> royalties along with the author to allow the group to continue paying
>> its modest bills. I presume releases would be required from posters
>> since some material (such as John's framework tutorials) are intended
>> for publication in their own book. As the authors on this list can
>> attest no book is an "easy" project but I think this would be a win
>> for AccessD, developers, and the author willing to take on the job. My
>> 2 cents.
>
> This sounds quite interesting. I think a DBA sponsored book would
> need the BOD's approval prior to starting though.
>
> -- 
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> Learn from the mistakes of others. You can't live long enough to make
> them all yourself.
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From EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us  Wed Aug 17 08:41:31 2005
From: EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us (Tesiny, Ed)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 09:41:31 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas
Message-ID: <FED384E544086A47AAC07C0999BE8D1703D50915@albmsx2k.rt.oasas.state.ny.us>

Good excuse to take a test drive on The Cat

Ed Tesiny
EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us
 

> 
> I think we need one in Canada this time. Somewhere in Southern 
> Ontario is my suggestion :)
> 
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> I've learned.... 
> That the less time I have to work with, the more things I get done.
> 
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From JHewson at karta.com  Wed Aug 17 08:53:22 2005
From: JHewson at karta.com (Jim Hewson)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 08:53:22 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] SQL Server BE - Access FE
Message-ID: <9C382E065F54AE48BC3AA7925DCBB01C036B677D@karta-exc-int.Karta.com>

Doris,
I appreciate the response.
Sorry, I have been remiss in replying sooner.
I started to create an ADP and then talked with one of my co-workers.
He suggested that using a System DSN in the ODBC Data Source
Administrator located under Control Panel -> Administrative Tools would
work.  Since we have about five users that get some benefit from this
database, we used that method.
It worked great...  No login and Access pulls just what is needed from
the SQL server.
Thanks for your help.
Jim

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mike & Doris
Manning
Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2005 2:30 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL Server BE - Access FE

If you use an ADP with Windows authentication, you will get around that.
Otherwise you'll have to pop-up a login box each time you open the
database to set the connection.

Doris Manning
mikedorism at verizon.net

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Hewson
Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2005 2:14 PM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] SQL Server BE - Access FE


Works good....
I can't seem to figure out how the security on the SQL Database can be
used.
When I first go into the FE, the forms work... when I need to look at
any of the data, I get an error message about the login failed for the
user.  I click the OK button and get another screen with Server visible
and the Use Trusted Connection checked.  When I uncheck the box, the
Login ID and Password are available to enter the correct information.
I've looked into the help and couldn't find what I needed. I have one
user in SQL Server with the correct security (Read-Only).

How do I connect without going through that sequence? 

TIA
Jim
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Wed Aug 17 09:10:45 2005
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 00:10:45 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] checkboxes aren't functioning
In-Reply-To: <00b101c5a32a$6628a1e0$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>
References: <20050817124430.HRTS24175.ibm69aec.bellsouth.net@SUSANONE>
Message-ID: <4303D205.23074.170ACFB@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

On 17 Aug 2005 at 8:51, John W. Colby wrote:

> However what if it is bound to a non-boolean field.  For example it is bound
> to an integer, the integer can contain 0 and -1 (and null) so it looks like
> it works just fine.  But what happens if the field gets set to something
> other than null, 0 or -1?
> 

0 is false, anything else (other than Null) is "Not False" ie ticked.



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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Wed Aug 17 09:52:48 2005
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 15:52:48 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas
Message-ID: <20050817145245.08C7B251515@smtp.nildram.co.uk>

I think we had quite a few suggestions/ideas and between us we could
probably dig them out. But I do realise that this would only be a
time-filler for you, nothing to pay the bills, so you (or others) may have
better ideas.
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Date: 17/08/05 13:21


On 16 Aug 2005 at 7:59, Andy Lacey wrote:

> Really sorry to hear that.
>
> How about the long-awaited v2 of BEU?

We were just going to make V2 an library? Or was that V 3?

I don't remember. I suppose I could always go back and look at the
archives, eh? :)

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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Wed Aug 17 10:07:48 2005
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (DWUTKA at marlow.com)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 10:07:48 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas
Message-ID: <123701F54509D9119A4F00D0B747349016DD57@main2.marlow.com>

Since when did you become an unbounder?  I'm a little shocked at that.  I
guess you finally came across to the dark side! ;)

Drew

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Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 5:27 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas


>so the occasional bound/unbound, natural/surrogate key, and naming
convention argument are simply a way of maintaining our individuality in the
world of massive neuron flux.  ;)

No, unbound forms and surrogate keys are just superior.  ;-0  And of course
anyone who doesn't use a naming convention, specifically MY naming
convention is... a dolt.  <grin>

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/

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Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 5:37 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas


<grin>, I was hoping you were going to get a good chuckle out of that.
Personally, I think that is one of the main factors why this list puts out
good tips, and is so helpful to people.  It's the 'chest pounding' factor.
Whether we want to admit it or not, we'll fall all over each other trying to
help someone because we want to show off a bit.  This is one of the rare
parts of our lives where people actually CAN appreciate how brilliant we all
our.... ;)

I tried explaining a process I was working on involving custom events and
classes to a fellow computer geek, and I got the glassy eyed look of
complete confusion.  

So to everyone on the list, we're all geniuses....so pat someone on the back
when you can, and get ready to be patted yourself.  Yes, to the rest of the
world we're a bunch of 'nerds', but wear that label with pride. (a few
tattoos and a decent weight training program will keep most of the 'nerd'
remarks in check....) ;)

Just keep in mind that while we all like to impress with our ideas, genius
comes with a lot of prejudice, so the occasional bound/unbound,
natural/surrogate key, and naming convention argument are simply a way of
maintaining our individuality in the world of massive neuron flux.  ;)

Drew

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From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 4:26 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas


ROTFLMAO.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 4:00 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas


That's easy, and requires no code or special hardware.  Just call up JC, and
tell him that you don't think his framework would hand XYZ...and let him
prove you wrong.  When he has given you proof, thank him, tell him he's
stellar, and a god among mortals, and walk away with completed JC Classes.

<grin>

Of course, the same method will work on me too....

Drew

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Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 2:45 PM
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Subject: RE: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas


Voice command app that would automatically write John Colby Classes and code
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed Aug 17 10:18:09 2005
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 08:18:09 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86873BBC@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Sssshhhh, Drew.  Don't point that out and we'll have it to use as
evidence the next time a bound/unbound battle rages. <VBG>

Charlotte Foust


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Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 8:08 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas


Since when did you become an unbounder?  I'm a little shocked at that.
I guess you finally came across to the dark side! ;)

Drew

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From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 5:27 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas


>so the occasional bound/unbound, natural/surrogate key, and naming
convention argument are simply a way of maintaining our individuality in
the world of massive neuron flux.  ;)

No, unbound forms and surrogate keys are just superior.  ;-0  And of
course anyone who doesn't use a naming convention, specifically MY
naming convention is... a dolt.  <grin>

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/

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DWUTKA at marlow.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 5:37 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas


<grin>, I was hoping you were going to get a good chuckle out of that.
Personally, I think that is one of the main factors why this list puts
out good tips, and is so helpful to people.  It's the 'chest pounding'
factor. Whether we want to admit it or not, we'll fall all over each
other trying to help someone because we want to show off a bit.  This is
one of the rare parts of our lives where people actually CAN appreciate
how brilliant we all our.... ;)

I tried explaining a process I was working on involving custom events
and classes to a fellow computer geek, and I got the glassy eyed look of
complete confusion.  

So to everyone on the list, we're all geniuses....so pat someone on the
back when you can, and get ready to be patted yourself.  Yes, to the
rest of the world we're a bunch of 'nerds', but wear that label with
pride. (a few tattoos and a decent weight training program will keep
most of the 'nerd' remarks in check....) ;)

Just keep in mind that while we all like to impress with our ideas,
genius comes with a lot of prejudice, so the occasional bound/unbound,
natural/surrogate key, and naming convention argument are simply a way
of maintaining our individuality in the world of massive neuron flux.
;)

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 4:26 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas


ROTFLMAO.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/

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DWUTKA at marlow.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 4:00 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas


That's easy, and requires no code or special hardware.  Just call up JC,
and tell him that you don't think his framework would hand XYZ...and let
him prove you wrong.  When he has given you proof, thank him, tell him
he's stellar, and a god among mortals, and walk away with completed JC
Classes.

<grin>

Of course, the same method will work on me too....

Drew

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From: Joe Hecht [mailto:jmhecht at earthlink.net]
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 2:45 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas


Voice command app that would automatically write John Colby Classes and
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From jmhecht at earthlink.net  Wed Aug 17 10:29:44 2005
From: jmhecht at earthlink.net (Joe Hecht)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 08:29:44 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas
In-Reply-To: <005601c5a2dc$903c1a50$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <000201c5a340$8003e320$6401a8c0@laptop1>

And some of us are just thick and near need to have sysvars explained a few
times before we can make it work in our apps?

Joe Hecht
Los Angeles CA

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 8:34 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas

LOL, yea, you don't recover from my lectures that easily.  ;-)  Just kinda
numbs the whole body.

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Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 11:28 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
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"I haven't done a lecture since
the first AccessD conference at Rocky's house." JC

..took the victims this long to recover, eh :)

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Aug 17 11:12:09 2005
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 12:12:09 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas
In-Reply-To: <123701F54509D9119A4F00D0B747349016DD57@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <00bb01c5a346$6b965660$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

LOL.  Nope, typo.  <hides head in shame>

John W. Colby
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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of DWUTKA at marlow.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 11:08 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas


Since when did you become an unbounder?  I'm a little shocked at that.  I
guess you finally came across to the dark side! ;)

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 5:27 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas


>so the occasional bound/unbound, natural/surrogate key, and naming
convention argument are simply a way of maintaining our individuality in the
world of massive neuron flux.  ;)

No, unbound forms and surrogate keys are just superior.  ;-0  And of course
anyone who doesn't use a naming convention, specifically MY naming
convention is... a dolt.  <grin>

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of DWUTKA at marlow.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 5:37 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas


<grin>, I was hoping you were going to get a good chuckle out of that.
Personally, I think that is one of the main factors why this list puts out
good tips, and is so helpful to people.  It's the 'chest pounding' factor.
Whether we want to admit it or not, we'll fall all over each other trying to
help someone because we want to show off a bit.  This is one of the rare
parts of our lives where people actually CAN appreciate how brilliant we all
our.... ;)

I tried explaining a process I was working on involving custom events and
classes to a fellow computer geek, and I got the glassy eyed look of
complete confusion.  

So to everyone on the list, we're all geniuses....so pat someone on the back
when you can, and get ready to be patted yourself.  Yes, to the rest of the
world we're a bunch of 'nerds', but wear that label with pride. (a few
tattoos and a decent weight training program will keep most of the 'nerd'
remarks in check....) ;)

Just keep in mind that while we all like to impress with our ideas, genius
comes with a lot of prejudice, so the occasional bound/unbound,
natural/surrogate key, and naming convention argument are simply a way of
maintaining our individuality in the world of massive neuron flux.  ;)

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 4:26 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas


ROTFLMAO.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of DWUTKA at marlow.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 4:00 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas


That's easy, and requires no code or special hardware.  Just call up JC, and
tell him that you don't think his framework would hand XYZ...and let him
prove you wrong.  When he has given you proof, thank him, tell him he's
stellar, and a god among mortals, and walk away with completed JC Classes.

<grin>

Of course, the same method will work on me too....

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Hecht [mailto:jmhecht at earthlink.net]
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 2:45 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas


Voice command app that would automatically write John Colby Classes and code
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed Aug 17 11:32:36 2005
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 09:32:36 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86873BBE@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Hah!  More like a Freudian slip! LOL

Charlotte Foust


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From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 9:12 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas


LOL.  Nope, typo.  <hides head in shame>

John W. Colby
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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
DWUTKA at marlow.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 11:08 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas


Since when did you become an unbounder?  I'm a little shocked at that.
I guess you finally came across to the dark side! ;)

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 5:27 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas


>so the occasional bound/unbound, natural/surrogate key, and naming
convention argument are simply a way of maintaining our individuality in
the world of massive neuron flux.  ;)

No, unbound forms and surrogate keys are just superior.  ;-0  And of
course anyone who doesn't use a naming convention, specifically MY
naming convention is... a dolt.  <grin>

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
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DWUTKA at marlow.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 5:37 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas


<grin>, I was hoping you were going to get a good chuckle out of that.
Personally, I think that is one of the main factors why this list puts
out good tips, and is so helpful to people.  It's the 'chest pounding'
factor. Whether we want to admit it or not, we'll fall all over each
other trying to help someone because we want to show off a bit.  This is
one of the rare parts of our lives where people actually CAN appreciate
how brilliant we all our.... ;)

I tried explaining a process I was working on involving custom events
and classes to a fellow computer geek, and I got the glassy eyed look of
complete confusion.  

So to everyone on the list, we're all geniuses....so pat someone on the
back when you can, and get ready to be patted yourself.  Yes, to the
rest of the world we're a bunch of 'nerds', but wear that label with
pride. (a few tattoos and a decent weight training program will keep
most of the 'nerd' remarks in check....) ;)

Just keep in mind that while we all like to impress with our ideas,
genius comes with a lot of prejudice, so the occasional bound/unbound,
natural/surrogate key, and naming convention argument are simply a way
of maintaining our individuality in the world of massive neuron flux.
;)

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 4:26 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas


ROTFLMAO.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
DWUTKA at marlow.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 4:00 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas


That's easy, and requires no code or special hardware.  Just call up JC,
and tell him that you don't think his framework would hand XYZ...and let
him prove you wrong.  When he has given you proof, thank him, tell him
he's stellar, and a god among mortals, and walk away with completed JC
Classes.

<grin>

Of course, the same method will work on me too....

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Hecht [mailto:jmhecht at earthlink.net]
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 2:45 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas


Voice command app that would automatically write John Colby Classes and
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From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 17:37:14 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] How to Manage Maintenance Mode - Auto shutdown
Message-ID: <c7fd28d0050817093728e6fca1@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Group,

I have an app uses MS SQL 2000 Server as it's backend database.  I
want to run some maintenance routines on the db and they require that
I switch the db into single user mode.  This is easily done and once I
have it in Single User Mode, it is easy to kick off the maintenance
routines.

My question is what ways you may have handled a polite automatic
shutdown of the application in your worlds.

Technically, I do not have to shut down my app, I could just break the
connection to SQL server, but I think that I may as well shut down the
entire app.

I could use timers, and I could insert 'activity' updates and only
shut down the FE app when the app is not being used.

So for example, I could update a database field and when the field has
not been used for more than 30 minutes I can assume that it is
in-active.  This would allow me to auto shut down the app, but I would
like to leave some message behind me to let the user know where their
app went rather than just killing it!

I could also break the connection to the db, then display a message
box saying the db has been shutdown and allow the user to click OK to
continue.

I am not seeking detailed technical help here, more philosophically
how you guys handle this type of situation.

Any thoughts or comments are appreciated, 

I hope you and your family are all well,

Mark Breen


From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Wed Aug 17 11:38:42 2005
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (DWUTKA at marlow.com)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 11:38:42 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas
Message-ID: <123701F54509D9119A4F00D0B747349016DD5E@main2.marlow.com>

Nope.  Here's the scenario:

Main Service (runs on any NT machine on the subnet...listens to whatever
port you want to designate with UDP).  Has a simple table with 'command' and
'return' values.  An incoming 'command' is cross referenced to the 'return'
values list and the return value is sent back.

Control program.  'Finds' the Main Service and allows for changing the
commands and returns.

Added code for a project.  Scans the subnet for the Main Service.  Sends a
designated command, and gets the return.  Uses the return value to relink
tables (or whatever else you want to do).

Advantages.  There doesn't have to be any hard reference at all.  With UDP,
that project I mentioned on the OT list scans our entire subnet is a split
second.  Not kidding, it looks instantaneous, but I'm sure it is closer to
half a second.  Our subnet was 255.255.254.0 (512 addresses), but a few
weeks ago it shifted to 255.255.240.0 (4096 addresses), and there is no
significant change in 'scan time'.  The advantage of 'scanning' is that the
Main Service could be placed on any machine, and moved at will.  And the
'added code' portion to an Access project wouldn't care what subnet it's on,
as long as it has the 'main service' in the same subnet.

Practical example:

Command: 'InventoryDBPath'
Return: (At company 1):'\\SomeServer\SomeShare\AccessDB\Inventory.mdb'
Return: (At Company 2):'T:\InventorySystem\Databases\Inventory.mdb'
Return: (At Developer's site):
'D:\ProjectDatabases\Inventory\Inventory2a.mdb'

Now, with the added code in the Front End .mdb, the exact same .mdb can be
run in all three places, and the tables would be automatically relinked with
no prompting for information.  If a local site needs to move the database,
simply copy it to the new location, 'update' the return value (using the
control program), and the next time the front ends are started, they are
linked to the new location.

To show you the comm portion of this, I just whipped up two sample projects
(a client and a server).  You can download them at
http://www.marlow.com/UDPTest.zip .  A few things to note with these
projects.  UDP doesn't jive well on the same machine.  So if you run the
server and client on the same machine, you're not going to be able to send
information through UDP.  TCP to the rescue on that.  You can trap the
specific error when the client and server are on the same machine.  So in
this test project, if you run both .exe's on the same machine, it fails over
to a TCP connection, which does the same thing as the UDP process. (The
server .exe has a text box to put in sample data, and it sends the data to
the client when 'asked'.  Another thing to note, is that when you press the
button on the client service, there are two 'issues'.  One, for the sake of
development speed, I have it build the subnet list when the button is
pressed.  So that is responsible for about half of the delay (depending on
the size of your subnet).  Here at work, we have 4096 addresses, so there is
about a half a second delay in getting a response.  The other half is
scanning the subnet.  The delay would be reduced to a quarter of a second if
you built the subnet collection on load, which would speed up future
'scans'.  The other issue is that with UDP, it is a connectionless protocol,
and since it scans the entire subnet, if the server has multiple IP
addresses, it would receive multiple return hits.  To compensate, it only
does something for the first 'hit'.

Drew


-----Original Message-----
From: Bryan Carbonnell [mailto:carbonnb at sympatico.ca]
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 8:25 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas


On 16 Aug 2005 at 11:29, DWUTKA at marlow.com wrote:

> How about a master table-linker service?  Create a service that can be
> run on any machine in the network, which 'knows' the location of all
> linked tables.  One module in the database runs at startup, 'scans'
> the network for the 'server' which tells it if it needs to relink it's
> tables or not.

Besides running as a service, how would that be much different from 
any of the other relinkers out there?

Wouldn't something that scans the network put a heavy load on the 
network?

-- 
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Wed Aug 17 11:41:02 2005
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (DWUTKA at marlow.com)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 11:41:02 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas
Message-ID: <123701F54509D9119A4F00D0B747349016DD5F@main2.marlow.com>

Oh, it has not only been archived, but I've alerted the local
press.....it'll be on CNN as soon as they clean up the worm from their
computers! ;)

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 10:18 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas


Sssshhhh, Drew.  Don't point that out and we'll have it to use as
evidence the next time a bound/unbound battle rages. <VBG>

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 8:08 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas


Since when did you become an unbounder?  I'm a little shocked at that.
I guess you finally came across to the dark side! ;)

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 5:27 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas


>so the occasional bound/unbound, natural/surrogate key, and naming
convention argument are simply a way of maintaining our individuality in
the world of massive neuron flux.  ;)

No, unbound forms and surrogate keys are just superior.  ;-0  And of
course anyone who doesn't use a naming convention, specifically MY
naming convention is... a dolt.  <grin>

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
DWUTKA at marlow.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 5:37 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas


<grin>, I was hoping you were going to get a good chuckle out of that.
Personally, I think that is one of the main factors why this list puts
out good tips, and is so helpful to people.  It's the 'chest pounding'
factor. Whether we want to admit it or not, we'll fall all over each
other trying to help someone because we want to show off a bit.  This is
one of the rare parts of our lives where people actually CAN appreciate
how brilliant we all our.... ;)

I tried explaining a process I was working on involving custom events
and classes to a fellow computer geek, and I got the glassy eyed look of
complete confusion.  

So to everyone on the list, we're all geniuses....so pat someone on the
back when you can, and get ready to be patted yourself.  Yes, to the
rest of the world we're a bunch of 'nerds', but wear that label with
pride. (a few tattoos and a decent weight training program will keep
most of the 'nerd' remarks in check....) ;)

Just keep in mind that while we all like to impress with our ideas,
genius comes with a lot of prejudice, so the occasional bound/unbound,
natural/surrogate key, and naming convention argument are simply a way
of maintaining our individuality in the world of massive neuron flux.
;)

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 4:26 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas


ROTFLMAO.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
DWUTKA at marlow.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 4:00 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas


That's easy, and requires no code or special hardware.  Just call up JC,
and tell him that you don't think his framework would hand XYZ...and let
him prove you wrong.  When he has given you proof, thank him, tell him
he's stellar, and a god among mortals, and walk away with completed JC
Classes.

<grin>

Of course, the same method will work on me too....

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Hecht [mailto:jmhecht at earthlink.net]
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 2:45 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas


Voice command app that would automatically write John Colby Classes and
code for you.

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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Wed Aug 17 11:41:42 2005
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (DWUTKA at marlow.com)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 11:41:42 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas
Message-ID: <123701F54509D9119A4F00D0B747349016DD60@main2.marlow.com>

I think it was a subconsious statement.  Listen to your feelings Luke. ;)

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 11:12 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas


LOL.  Nope, typo.  <hides head in shame>

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of DWUTKA at marlow.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 11:08 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas


Since when did you become an unbounder?  I'm a little shocked at that.  I
guess you finally came across to the dark side! ;)

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 5:27 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas


>so the occasional bound/unbound, natural/surrogate key, and naming
convention argument are simply a way of maintaining our individuality in the
world of massive neuron flux.  ;)

No, unbound forms and surrogate keys are just superior.  ;-0  And of course
anyone who doesn't use a naming convention, specifically MY naming
convention is... a dolt.  <grin>

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of DWUTKA at marlow.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 5:37 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas


<grin>, I was hoping you were going to get a good chuckle out of that.
Personally, I think that is one of the main factors why this list puts out
good tips, and is so helpful to people.  It's the 'chest pounding' factor.
Whether we want to admit it or not, we'll fall all over each other trying to
help someone because we want to show off a bit.  This is one of the rare
parts of our lives where people actually CAN appreciate how brilliant we all
our.... ;)

I tried explaining a process I was working on involving custom events and
classes to a fellow computer geek, and I got the glassy eyed look of
complete confusion.  

So to everyone on the list, we're all geniuses....so pat someone on the back
when you can, and get ready to be patted yourself.  Yes, to the rest of the
world we're a bunch of 'nerds', but wear that label with pride. (a few
tattoos and a decent weight training program will keep most of the 'nerd'
remarks in check....) ;)

Just keep in mind that while we all like to impress with our ideas, genius
comes with a lot of prejudice, so the occasional bound/unbound,
natural/surrogate key, and naming convention argument are simply a way of
maintaining our individuality in the world of massive neuron flux.  ;)

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 4:26 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas


ROTFLMAO.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of DWUTKA at marlow.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 4:00 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas


That's easy, and requires no code or special hardware.  Just call up JC, and
tell him that you don't think his framework would hand XYZ...and let him
prove you wrong.  When he has given you proof, thank him, tell him he's
stellar, and a god among mortals, and walk away with completed JC Classes.

<grin>

Of course, the same method will work on me too....

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Hecht [mailto:jmhecht at earthlink.net]
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 2:45 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas


Voice command app that would automatically write John Colby Classes and code
for you.

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Aug 17 11:58:08 2005
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 12:58:08 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas
In-Reply-To: <123701F54509D9119A4F00D0B747349016DD60@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <00bd01c5a34c$d7e135f0$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

ROTFL.  I thought I was the master.

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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of DWUTKA at marlow.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 12:42 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas


I think it was a subconsious statement.  Listen to your feelings Luke. ;)

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 11:12 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas


LOL.  Nope, typo.  <hides head in shame>

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed Aug 17 12:00:20 2005
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 10:00:20 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] How to Manage Maintenance Mode - Auto shutdown
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86873BC0@infoserver01.infostat.local>

We generally don't have polite automatic shutdowns, since our software
could run for hours waiting for someone to finish a task and enter the
data associated with it.  If we have something along those lines (or we
need to compact/repair the front end) we set normally up the code to run
when it can get an exclusive lock on the database.  That just means that
when it thinks it should do this, as when the user is closing down, it
checks to see whether it can.  The same checks will happen on any
machine, so the last one to close down wins the prize of running the
maintenance routines.   

What specific kinds of maintenance were you going to run?

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Breen [mailto:marklbreen at gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 9:37 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] How to Manage Maintenance Mode - Auto shutdown


Hello Group,

I have an app uses MS SQL 2000 Server as it's backend database.  I want
to run some maintenance routines on the db and they require that I
switch the db into single user mode.  This is easily done and once I
have it in Single User Mode, it is easy to kick off the maintenance
routines.

My question is what ways you may have handled a polite automatic
shutdown of the application in your worlds.

Technically, I do not have to shut down my app, I could just break the
connection to SQL server, but I think that I may as well shut down the
entire app.

I could use timers, and I could insert 'activity' updates and only shut
down the FE app when the app is not being used.

So for example, I could update a database field and when the field has
not been used for more than 30 minutes I can assume that it is
in-active.  This would allow me to auto shut down the app, but I would
like to leave some message behind me to let the user know where their
app went rather than just killing it!

I could also break the connection to the db, then display a message box
saying the db has been shutdown and allow the user to click OK to
continue.

I am not seeking detailed technical help here, more philosophically how
you guys handle this type of situation.

Any thoughts or comments are appreciated, 

I hope you and your family are all well,

Mark Breen
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed Aug 17 12:01:23 2005
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 10:01:23 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86873BC1@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Pride goeth before the fall. <g>

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 9:58 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas


ROTFL.  I thought I was the master.

John W. Colby
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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
DWUTKA at marlow.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 12:42 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas


I think it was a subconsious statement.  Listen to your feelings Luke.
;)

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 11:12 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas


LOL.  Nope, typo.  <hides head in shame>

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Aug 17 12:13:22 2005
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 13:13:22 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] How to Manage Maintenance Mode - Auto shutdown
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86873BC0@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <00c301c5a34e$fb7eb990$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

The problem with that method is that if anyone leaves their FE open
overnight (always on) the task can never run.  The only alternative that I
know of is to have a form always open in every FE, running a timer.  The
timer tick can do one of several things, including just checking a table for
a shutdown flag and informing the user that a shutdown will occur etc.  In
the end though the form and its timer has to do the shutdown.

John W. Colby
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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 1:00 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] How to Manage Maintenance Mode - Auto shutdown


We generally don't have polite automatic shutdowns, since our software could
run for hours waiting for someone to finish a task and enter the data
associated with it.  If we have something along those lines (or we need to
compact/repair the front end) we set normally up the code to run when it can
get an exclusive lock on the database.  That just means that when it thinks
it should do this, as when the user is closing down, it checks to see
whether it can.  The same checks will happen on any machine, so the last one
to close down wins the prize of running the
maintenance routines.   

What specific kinds of maintenance were you going to run?

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Breen [mailto:marklbreen at gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 9:37 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] How to Manage Maintenance Mode - Auto shutdown


Hello Group,

I have an app uses MS SQL 2000 Server as it's backend database.  I want to
run some maintenance routines on the db and they require that I switch the
db into single user mode.  This is easily done and once I have it in Single
User Mode, it is easy to kick off the maintenance routines.

My question is what ways you may have handled a polite automatic shutdown of
the application in your worlds.

Technically, I do not have to shut down my app, I could just break the
connection to SQL server, but I think that I may as well shut down the
entire app.

I could use timers, and I could insert 'activity' updates and only shut down
the FE app when the app is not being used.

So for example, I could update a database field and when the field has not
been used for more than 30 minutes I can assume that it is in-active.  This
would allow me to auto shut down the app, but I would like to leave some
message behind me to let the user know where their app went rather than just
killing it!

I could also break the connection to the db, then display a message box
saying the db has been shutdown and allow the user to click OK to continue.

I am not seeking detailed technical help here, more philosophically how you
guys handle this type of situation.

Any thoughts or comments are appreciated, 

I hope you and your family are all well,

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From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com  Wed Aug 17 12:18:02 2005
From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 13:18:02 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] How to Manage Maintenance Mode - Auto shutdown
Message-ID: <1D7828CDB8350747AFE9D69E0E90DA1F1484B89C@xlivmbx21.aig.com>

Go here to get the code to perform an automated shutdown.

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;304408

The code used is dependant on a form timer, and only looks for inactivity.
But it is very simple to modify it to also check a flag value in a table
periodically to see if the app. is being forced to close by the
administrator.

I use this method all the time.

Lambert

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 12:37 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] How to Manage Maintenance Mode - Auto shutdown


Hello Group,

I have an app uses MS SQL 2000 Server as it's backend database.  I want to
run some maintenance routines on the db and they require that I switch the
db into single user mode.  This is easily done and once I have it in Single
User Mode, it is easy to kick off the maintenance routines.

My question is what ways you may have handled a polite automatic shutdown of
the application in your worlds.

Technically, I do not have to shut down my app, I could just break the
connection to SQL server, but I think that I may as well shut down the
entire app.

I could use timers, and I could insert 'activity' updates and only shut down
the FE app when the app is not being used.

So for example, I could update a database field and when the field has not
been used for more than 30 minutes I can assume that it is in-active.  This
would allow me to auto shut down the app, but I would like to leave some
message behind me to let the user know where their app went rather than just
killing it!

I could also break the connection to the db, then display a message box
saying the db has been shutdown and allow the user to click OK to continue.

I am not seeking detailed technical help here, more philosophically how you
guys handle this type of situation.

Any thoughts or comments are appreciated, 

I hope you and your family are all well,

Mark Breen
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Wed Aug 17 12:30:23 2005
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (DWUTKA at marlow.com)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 12:30:23 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas
Message-ID: <123701F54509D9119A4F00D0B747349016DD62@main2.marlow.com>

Man, there are so many ways I could reply to this, and I haven't come up
with a single one that won't get me in trouble!

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 11:58 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas


ROTFL.  I thought I was the master.

John W. Colby
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Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 12:42 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas


I think it was a subconsious statement.  Listen to your feelings Luke. ;)

Drew

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Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 11:12 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas


LOL.  Nope, typo.  <hides head in shame>

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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Wed Aug 17 12:32:13 2005
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (DWUTKA at marlow.com)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 12:32:13 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] How to Manage Maintenance Mode - Auto shutdown
Message-ID: <123701F54509D9119A4F00D0B747349016DD63@main2.marlow.com>

Actually, with the UDP comm stuff I am talking about in the 'I Need Some
Ideas' thread, a listening with UDP to a specific port would provide a way
to 'shutdown' remote FE's relatively instantenously, from a central point.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 12:13 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] How to Manage Maintenance Mode - Auto shutdown


The problem with that method is that if anyone leaves their FE open
overnight (always on) the task can never run.  The only alternative that I
know of is to have a form always open in every FE, running a timer.  The
timer tick can do one of several things, including just checking a table for
a shutdown flag and informing the user that a shutdown will occur etc.  In
the end though the form and its timer has to do the shutdown.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 1:00 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] How to Manage Maintenance Mode - Auto shutdown


We generally don't have polite automatic shutdowns, since our software could
run for hours waiting for someone to finish a task and enter the data
associated with it.  If we have something along those lines (or we need to
compact/repair the front end) we set normally up the code to run when it can
get an exclusive lock on the database.  That just means that when it thinks
it should do this, as when the user is closing down, it checks to see
whether it can.  The same checks will happen on any machine, so the last one
to close down wins the prize of running the
maintenance routines.   

What specific kinds of maintenance were you going to run?

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Breen [mailto:marklbreen at gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 9:37 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] How to Manage Maintenance Mode - Auto shutdown


Hello Group,

I have an app uses MS SQL 2000 Server as it's backend database.  I want to
run some maintenance routines on the db and they require that I switch the
db into single user mode.  This is easily done and once I have it in Single
User Mode, it is easy to kick off the maintenance routines.

My question is what ways you may have handled a polite automatic shutdown of
the application in your worlds.

Technically, I do not have to shut down my app, I could just break the
connection to SQL server, but I think that I may as well shut down the
entire app.

I could use timers, and I could insert 'activity' updates and only shut down
the FE app when the app is not being used.

So for example, I could update a database field and when the field has not
been used for more than 30 minutes I can assume that it is in-active.  This
would allow me to auto shut down the app, but I would like to leave some
message behind me to let the user know where their app went rather than just
killing it!

I could also break the connection to the db, then display a message box
saying the db has been shutdown and allow the user to click OK to continue.

I am not seeking detailed technical help here, more philosophically how you
guys handle this type of situation.

Any thoughts or comments are appreciated, 

I hope you and your family are all well,

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Aug 17 12:44:25 2005
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 13:44:25 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] How to Manage Maintenance Mode - Auto shutdown
In-Reply-To: <123701F54509D9119A4F00D0B747349016DD63@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <00cd01c5a353$4f07ee20$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

Woa, talk to me.  A dll or something which sources events, which can be sunk
by a class in the FE?  I am in need of something non-timer related.  Timers
just suck in Access.  

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of DWUTKA at marlow.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 1:32 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] How to Manage Maintenance Mode - Auto shutdown


Actually, with the UDP comm stuff I am talking about in the 'I Need Some
Ideas' thread, a listening with UDP to a specific port would provide a way
to 'shutdown' remote FE's relatively instantenously, from a central point.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 12:13 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] How to Manage Maintenance Mode - Auto shutdown


The problem with that method is that if anyone leaves their FE open
overnight (always on) the task can never run.  The only alternative that I
know of is to have a form always open in every FE, running a timer.  The
timer tick can do one of several things, including just checking a table for
a shutdown flag and informing the user that a shutdown will occur etc.  In
the end though the form and its timer has to do the shutdown.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 1:00 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] How to Manage Maintenance Mode - Auto shutdown


We generally don't have polite automatic shutdowns, since our software could
run for hours waiting for someone to finish a task and enter the data
associated with it.  If we have something along those lines (or we need to
compact/repair the front end) we set normally up the code to run when it can
get an exclusive lock on the database.  That just means that when it thinks
it should do this, as when the user is closing down, it checks to see
whether it can.  The same checks will happen on any machine, so the last one
to close down wins the prize of running the
maintenance routines.   

What specific kinds of maintenance were you going to run?

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Breen [mailto:marklbreen at gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 9:37 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] How to Manage Maintenance Mode - Auto shutdown


Hello Group,

I have an app uses MS SQL 2000 Server as it's backend database.  I want to
run some maintenance routines on the db and they require that I switch the
db into single user mode.  This is easily done and once I have it in Single
User Mode, it is easy to kick off the maintenance routines.

My question is what ways you may have handled a polite automatic shutdown of
the application in your worlds.

Technically, I do not have to shut down my app, I could just break the
connection to SQL server, but I think that I may as well shut down the
entire app.

I could use timers, and I could insert 'activity' updates and only shut down
the FE app when the app is not being used.

So for example, I could update a database field and when the field has not
been used for more than 30 minutes I can assume that it is in-active.  This
would allow me to auto shut down the app, but I would like to leave some
message behind me to let the user know where their app went rather than just
killing it!

I could also break the connection to the db, then display a message box
saying the db has been shutdown and allow the user to click OK to continue.

I am not seeking detailed technical help here, more philosophically how you
guys handle this type of situation.

Any thoughts or comments are appreciated, 

I hope you and your family are all well,

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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Wed Aug 17 13:07:40 2005
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (DWUTKA at marlow.com)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 13:07:40 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] How to Manage Maintenance Mode - Auto shutdown
Message-ID: <123701F54509D9119A4F00D0B747349016DD65@main2.marlow.com>

download the demo I whipped up this morning.
http://www.marlow.com/UDPTest.zip

it's a VB project.  Actually 2.  Ones a client, ones a server.  In the other
thread, I was discussing that you could set up a VB NT Service as the
'server', and the Front End's as the 'clients'.  The Front Ends can then
query the server (with no hard link, the code I have in the demo 'scans' the
entire subnet/LAN in a split second, and receives the response if there is
an active 'server'.  I suggested using this as a table linker, where the
'server' has a list of database paths, and with the correct 'prompt' from
the client, it would return the correct path for that network.

If you use this process in reverse, making the Front End's the 'server' (so
you would have multiple servers, with one client), and make a 'control
client', you could send out (from the client) a message that the servers
would receive, and deal with as you wish.  ie, 'ShutDownNow' or
'AskToShutDown', or 'AreYouActive'.  The message would simply be sent out,
and the online clients could then react to the message.  No timer.

Now, as an FYI, the VB projects I have in there use the Winsock OCX.  For
me, that is no issue at all, since I have a VB program installed on all
client machines here, which uses it, so it's registered on every machine we
setup here.  However, I know in the pure Access world, OCX's are sometimes
frowned upon due to their requirement to be set up on client machines they
don't exist on.  Winsock code can be done strictly through API's though,
which eliminates the need for the Winsock OCX.  However, and this is the
catch with Access, the API's for window's sockets use the Window Messaging
queue for receiving data from TCP/IP comms.  To do that, you have to use
callback functions.  (when you subclass a form/window, to put it in the
system tray, you use the windows messaging callback to determine what is
happening to the icon in the system tray).  Callbacks in Access 2000 and up
(not sure if it is fixed in later versions of Access, I know 97 is fine, and
2000 is not, so I'm not sure if 2002 or 2003 work correctly or not....) make
development a little quirky.  In a finished state, there is nothing wrong.
However, if a callback procedure is 'hooked', and you go into debug mode
with the VBA code, you'll lock up Access 2000 (again, don't know if this is
fixed with later versions).

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 12:44 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] How to Manage Maintenance Mode - Auto shutdown


Woa, talk to me.  A dll or something which sources events, which can be sunk
by a class in the FE?  I am in need of something non-timer related.  Timers
just suck in Access.  

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of DWUTKA at marlow.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 1:32 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] How to Manage Maintenance Mode - Auto shutdown


Actually, with the UDP comm stuff I am talking about in the 'I Need Some
Ideas' thread, a listening with UDP to a specific port would provide a way
to 'shutdown' remote FE's relatively instantenously, from a central point.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 12:13 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] How to Manage Maintenance Mode - Auto shutdown


The problem with that method is that if anyone leaves their FE open
overnight (always on) the task can never run.  The only alternative that I
know of is to have a form always open in every FE, running a timer.  The
timer tick can do one of several things, including just checking a table for
a shutdown flag and informing the user that a shutdown will occur etc.  In
the end though the form and its timer has to do the shutdown.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 1:00 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] How to Manage Maintenance Mode - Auto shutdown


We generally don't have polite automatic shutdowns, since our software could
run for hours waiting for someone to finish a task and enter the data
associated with it.  If we have something along those lines (or we need to
compact/repair the front end) we set normally up the code to run when it can
get an exclusive lock on the database.  That just means that when it thinks
it should do this, as when the user is closing down, it checks to see
whether it can.  The same checks will happen on any machine, so the last one
to close down wins the prize of running the
maintenance routines.   

What specific kinds of maintenance were you going to run?

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Breen [mailto:marklbreen at gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 9:37 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] How to Manage Maintenance Mode - Auto shutdown


Hello Group,

I have an app uses MS SQL 2000 Server as it's backend database.  I want to
run some maintenance routines on the db and they require that I switch the
db into single user mode.  This is easily done and once I have it in Single
User Mode, it is easy to kick off the maintenance routines.

My question is what ways you may have handled a polite automatic shutdown of
the application in your worlds.

Technically, I do not have to shut down my app, I could just break the
connection to SQL server, but I think that I may as well shut down the
entire app.

I could use timers, and I could insert 'activity' updates and only shut down
the FE app when the app is not being used.

So for example, I could update a database field and when the field has not
been used for more than 30 minutes I can assume that it is in-active.  This
would allow me to auto shut down the app, but I would like to leave some
message behind me to let the user know where their app went rather than just
killing it!

I could also break the connection to the db, then display a message box
saying the db has been shutdown and allow the user to click OK to continue.

I am not seeking detailed technical help here, more philosophically how you
guys handle this type of situation.

Any thoughts or comments are appreciated, 

I hope you and your family are all well,

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed Aug 17 13:56:28 2005
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 11:56:28 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] How to Manage Maintenance Mode - Auto shutdown
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86873BC2@infoserver01.infostat.local>

True, but since drilling rigs usually have only one or possibly two
laptops running our software, and since the laptops are somewhat
associated with the shift, it doesn't work that way for us.  My point
was that it isn't an issue for everyone.  We make that a procedural
issue for our clients rather than trying to outwit them.

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 10:13 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] How to Manage Maintenance Mode - Auto shutdown


The problem with that method is that if anyone leaves their FE open
overnight (always on) the task can never run.  The only alternative that
I know of is to have a form always open in every FE, running a timer.
The timer tick can do one of several things, including just checking a
table for a shutdown flag and informing the user that a shutdown will
occur etc.  In the end though the form and its timer has to do the
shutdown.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 1:00 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] How to Manage Maintenance Mode - Auto shutdown


We generally don't have polite automatic shutdowns, since our software
could run for hours waiting for someone to finish a task and enter the
data associated with it.  If we have something along those lines (or we
need to compact/repair the front end) we set normally up the code to run
when it can get an exclusive lock on the database.  That just means that
when it thinks it should do this, as when the user is closing down, it
checks to see whether it can.  The same checks will happen on any
machine, so the last one to close down wins the prize of running the
maintenance routines.   

What specific kinds of maintenance were you going to run?

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Breen [mailto:marklbreen at gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 9:37 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] How to Manage Maintenance Mode - Auto shutdown


Hello Group,

I have an app uses MS SQL 2000 Server as it's backend database.  I want
to run some maintenance routines on the db and they require that I
switch the db into single user mode.  This is easily done and once I
have it in Single User Mode, it is easy to kick off the maintenance
routines.

My question is what ways you may have handled a polite automatic
shutdown of the application in your worlds.

Technically, I do not have to shut down my app, I could just break the
connection to SQL server, but I think that I may as well shut down the
entire app.

I could use timers, and I could insert 'activity' updates and only shut
down the FE app when the app is not being used.

So for example, I could update a database field and when the field has
not been used for more than 30 minutes I can assume that it is
in-active.  This would allow me to auto shut down the app, but I would
like to leave some message behind me to let the user know where their
app went rather than just killing it!

I could also break the connection to the db, then display a message box
saying the db has been shutdown and allow the user to click OK to
continue.

I am not seeking detailed technical help here, more philosophically how
you guys handle this type of situation.

Any thoughts or comments are appreciated, 

I hope you and your family are all well,

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Aug 17 14:06:07 2005
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 15:06:07 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] How to Manage Maintenance Mode - Auto shutdown
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86873BC2@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <00df01c5a35e$bc385970$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

I understand.  Unfortunately as the number of users goes up, the ability to
get 100% compliance goes down.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 2:56 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] How to Manage Maintenance Mode - Auto shutdown


True, but since drilling rigs usually have only one or possibly two laptops
running our software, and since the laptops are somewhat associated with the
shift, it doesn't work that way for us.  My point was that it isn't an issue
for everyone.  We make that a procedural issue for our clients rather than
trying to outwit them.

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 10:13 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] How to Manage Maintenance Mode - Auto shutdown


The problem with that method is that if anyone leaves their FE open
overnight (always on) the task can never run.  The only alternative that I
know of is to have a form always open in every FE, running a timer. The
timer tick can do one of several things, including just checking a table for
a shutdown flag and informing the user that a shutdown will occur etc.  In
the end though the form and its timer has to do the shutdown.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 1:00 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] How to Manage Maintenance Mode - Auto shutdown


We generally don't have polite automatic shutdowns, since our software could
run for hours waiting for someone to finish a task and enter the data
associated with it.  If we have something along those lines (or we need to
compact/repair the front end) we set normally up the code to run when it can
get an exclusive lock on the database.  That just means that when it thinks
it should do this, as when the user is closing down, it checks to see
whether it can.  The same checks will happen on any machine, so the last one
to close down wins the prize of running the
maintenance routines.   

What specific kinds of maintenance were you going to run?

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Breen [mailto:marklbreen at gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 9:37 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] How to Manage Maintenance Mode - Auto shutdown


Hello Group,

I have an app uses MS SQL 2000 Server as it's backend database.  I want to
run some maintenance routines on the db and they require that I switch the
db into single user mode.  This is easily done and once I have it in Single
User Mode, it is easy to kick off the maintenance routines.

My question is what ways you may have handled a polite automatic shutdown of
the application in your worlds.

Technically, I do not have to shut down my app, I could just break the
connection to SQL server, but I think that I may as well shut down the
entire app.

I could use timers, and I could insert 'activity' updates and only shut down
the FE app when the app is not being used.

So for example, I could update a database field and when the field has not
been used for more than 30 minutes I can assume that it is in-active.  This
would allow me to auto shut down the app, but I would like to leave some
message behind me to let the user know where their app went rather than just
killing it!

I could also break the connection to the db, then display a message box
saying the db has been shutdown and allow the user to click OK to continue.

I am not seeking detailed technical help here, more philosophically how you
guys handle this type of situation.

Any thoughts or comments are appreciated, 

I hope you and your family are all well,

Mark Breen
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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Wed Aug 17 14:37:13 2005
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 14:37:13 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] How to Manage Maintenance Mode - Auto shutdown
In-Reply-To: <23347901.1124298423851.JavaMail.root@sniper21>
Message-ID: <001301c5a363$12f6c860$0300a8c0@danwaters>

I've done this for several years and it works very well.  The user gets a
five-minute warning (fine in this app), their data is saved due to a 120
second refresh rate, and no complaints.

This being a form timer in Access doesn't really matter.  If it's 5 minutes
+/- 30 seconds, users won't know or care.

Also, my db will pop up a form on the admin's PC to let them know when
everyone is logged out (and this is just a counted 7 minutes after the
shutdown sequence).

Dan Waters

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 12:18 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Cc: 'Mark Breen'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] How to Manage Maintenance Mode - Auto shutdown

Go here to get the code to perform an automated shutdown.

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;304408

The code used is dependant on a form timer, and only looks for inactivity.
But it is very simple to modify it to also check a flag value in a table
periodically to see if the app. is being forced to close by the
administrator.

I use this method all the time.

Lambert

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Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 12:37 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] How to Manage Maintenance Mode - Auto shutdown


Hello Group,

I have an app uses MS SQL 2000 Server as it's backend database.  I want to
run some maintenance routines on the db and they require that I switch the
db into single user mode.  This is easily done and once I have it in Single
User Mode, it is easy to kick off the maintenance routines.

My question is what ways you may have handled a polite automatic shutdown of
the application in your worlds.

Technically, I do not have to shut down my app, I could just break the
connection to SQL server, but I think that I may as well shut down the
entire app.

I could use timers, and I could insert 'activity' updates and only shut down
the FE app when the app is not being used.

So for example, I could update a database field and when the field has not
been used for more than 30 minutes I can assume that it is in-active.  This
would allow me to auto shut down the app, but I would like to leave some
message behind me to let the user know where their app went rather than just
killing it!

I could also break the connection to the db, then display a message box
saying the db has been shutdown and allow the user to click OK to continue.

I am not seeking detailed technical help here, more philosophically how you
guys handle this type of situation.

Any thoughts or comments are appreciated, 

I hope you and your family are all well,

Mark Breen
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Wed Aug 17 15:18:28 2005
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (DWUTKA at marlow.com)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 15:18:28 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Force Remote Shutdown Instantly! No timers (sort of)
	WAS:RE: [Ac cessD] How to Manage Maintenance Mode - Auto shutdown
Message-ID: <123701F54509D9119A4F00D0B747349016DD66@main2.marlow.com>

Okay, JC asked about using UDP in reverse.  Since I don't know how
experienced ya'all are with winsocks and TCP/IP communications, I decided to
whip something up.  http://www.marlow.com/RemoteShutdown.zip

Here's how this works.  Inside that zip you'll find an Access 2000 database
with one form and an AutoExec macro (sorry, not writing complete startup
code just for a sample).  The AutoExec opens frmUDPServer 'hidden'.  That
form just sits there, and does absolutely nothing, until UDP comms come into
port 9999.  When the comms come in, there are three options, it will either
directly shutdown (docmd.Quit), it will display itself and give the user 10
seconds to cancel the shutdown (that is why this uses a timer, the timer
event only starts running during the 'prompted shutdown'), or it will
display a message (msgbox).  Also, inside the zip, you'll fine
testclient.exe (along with the VB source code for that .exe).  When you run
that, you'll find that a textbox, listbox, and three command buttons.  

The three buttons do what they say.  Click Shutdown Clients, and ALL Access
sessions on your network, that have frmUDPServer running in the background
will close.  Click 'Ask To Shutdown', and ALL Access sessions with
frmUDPServer running in the background will now display frmUDPServer, and
give the user 10 seconds to cancel the shutdown.  Click 'Send Message To
Clients', and a msgbox will appear on all of the same machines with the text
of what is in the 'Data To Send' labeled textbox.

A few special items to note.  Pressing Any of the three buttons, while
running an Access .mdb with frmUDPServer on the same machine will result in
a 'Cannot use this if a server is running locally!' message, and nothing
will happen.  It's a limitation of UDP comms, but that DOES NOT limit this
application.  (You don't NEED to shut down a LOCAL machine's application
REMOTELY! Eh? LOL).  So if you want to test this, you will need two
machines, one to run the .mdb, and one to run the .exe.

Next note, this uses the winsock .ocx.  As I mentioned in a reply to JC
earlier, this could all be done with API's if so desired, but honestly, I
just don't have time to write this all out with API calls.

Next note, almost forgot the listbox.  When frmUDPServer gets a message from
the network, it sends back it's computer name.  So the listbox will populate
with all of the machines running frmUDPServer that have received a message
from the .exe through the network.

A note about subnets/lans/NICs.  If frmUDPServer is running on a machine
that has multiple NICs, it is going to receive a message for each NIC it
has.  This isn't a concern for the shutdown, and the prompted shutdown
(though the prompted shutdown will delay a little longer, because the first
hit will start it, and the second, third, fourth, etc hits will reset the
time on it....so the countdown won't really countdown until all of the hits
come in. (Unless your network is literally crawling, this will all take less
then a second....).  Sending messages, however, will popup on their machine
for each NIC they have (and on the listbox, you'll see that computername
show up for each message 'received'.

Last note, BE CAREFUL.  This is a SAMPLE project, and I personally wouldn't
use it in a live system as is.  (That is why I sent the VB source).
frmUDPServer has absolutely no safeguards in place.  It receives a
particular string, it stops Access.  I personally would recommend a little
tighter 'confirmation'.  For sample purposes, I'm simply sending out a
simple string 'ShutdownNow' (I think).  I would make that a little more
complex, so that you don't provide an easy method for a hacker to go around
shutting down your applications.

Enjoy!

Drew




From pedro at plex.nl  Wed Aug 17 15:56:55 2005
From: pedro at plex.nl (Pedro Janssen)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 22:56:55 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] checkboxes aren't functioning
References: <20050817124430.HRTS24175.ibm69aec.bellsouth.net@SUSANONE>
	<4303D205.23074.170ACFB@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <005d01c5a370$885e8e50$fac581d5@pedro>

Hello All who responded,

thanks for the advise, but al fieldproperties are ok.
The database worked fine, nothing changed, but the checkboxes stopped
working correctly.
The strange part is that for example in record 1 the checkboxes are working,
in record 2 they aren't and in record 3 they work again. I also heard today
that suddenly you can't make new records with this form. I heven't seen this
yet, but i will come back on this tommorrow.

Pedro Janssen



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To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
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Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 4:10 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] checkboxes aren't functioning


> On 17 Aug 2005 at 8:51, John W. Colby wrote:
>
> > However what if it is bound to a non-boolean field.  For example it is
bound
> > to an integer, the integer can contain 0 and -1 (and null) so it looks
like
> > it works just fine.  But what happens if the field gets set to something
> > other than null, 0 or -1?
> >
>
> 0 is false, anything else (other than Null) is "Not False" ie ticked.
>
>
>
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From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com  Wed Aug 17 16:27:25 2005
From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 16:27:25 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Parameter make table query
Message-ID: <F1DD538AE6BCE74EBE562DE51564D322FAC095@houexch1.kindermorgan.com>

I try to run the following code for a make table query but it still asks
for a parameter. Why?  Do I need to run it differently? Thanks.

 

PatternName = "123-4"

 

Set MyQDef1 = MyDb.QueryDefs("qry Actual Production after Inj Start
Date")

MyQDef1.Parameters![Pattern Name] = PatternName

DoCmd.OpenQuery "qry Actual Production after Inj Start Date",
acViewNormal, acEdit

 

Chester Kaup

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Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP 

Office (432) 688-3797

FAX (432) 688-3799

 

 

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Aug 17 16:36:29 2005
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 17:36:29 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Force Remote Shutdown Instantly! No timers (sort
	of)WAS:RE: [Ac cessD] How to Manage Maintenance Mode - Auto shutdown
In-Reply-To: <123701F54509D9119A4F00D0B747349016DD66@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <00f401c5a373$bf863f60$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

>You don't NEED to shut down a LOCAL machine's application REMOTELY! Eh?
LOL)

Just goes to show, you never know.  I have a server running an application.
I would be running this udp server exe on that server, and it would need to
shutdown that app.  But who's quibbling.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of DWUTKA at marlow.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 4:18 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Force Remote Shutdown Instantly! No timers (sort
of)WAS:RE: [Ac cessD] How to Manage Maintenance Mode - Auto shutdown


Okay, JC asked about using UDP in reverse.  Since I don't know how
experienced ya'all are with winsocks and TCP/IP communications, I decided to
whip something up.  http://www.marlow.com/RemoteShutdown.zip

Here's how this works.  Inside that zip you'll find an Access 2000 database
with one form and an AutoExec macro (sorry, not writing complete startup
code just for a sample).  The AutoExec opens frmUDPServer 'hidden'.  That
form just sits there, and does absolutely nothing, until UDP comms come into
port 9999.  When the comms come in, there are three options, it will either
directly shutdown (docmd.Quit), it will display itself and give the user 10
seconds to cancel the shutdown (that is why this uses a timer, the timer
event only starts running during the 'prompted shutdown'), or it will
display a message (msgbox).  Also, inside the zip, you'll fine
testclient.exe (along with the VB source code for that .exe).  When you run
that, you'll find that a textbox, listbox, and three command buttons.  

The three buttons do what they say.  Click Shutdown Clients, and ALL Access
sessions on your network, that have frmUDPServer running in the background
will close.  Click 'Ask To Shutdown', and ALL Access sessions with
frmUDPServer running in the background will now display frmUDPServer, and
give the user 10 seconds to cancel the shutdown.  Click 'Send Message To
Clients', and a msgbox will appear on all of the same machines with the text
of what is in the 'Data To Send' labeled textbox.

A few special items to note.  Pressing Any of the three buttons, while
running an Access .mdb with frmUDPServer on the same machine will result in
a 'Cannot use this if a server is running locally!' message, and nothing
will happen.  It's a limitation of UDP comms, but that DOES NOT limit this
application.  (You don't NEED to shut down a LOCAL machine's application
REMOTELY! Eh? LOL).  So if you want to test this, you will need two
machines, one to run the .mdb, and one to run the .exe.

Next note, this uses the winsock .ocx.  As I mentioned in a reply to JC
earlier, this could all be done with API's if so desired, but honestly, I
just don't have time to write this all out with API calls.

Next note, almost forgot the listbox.  When frmUDPServer gets a message from
the network, it sends back it's computer name.  So the listbox will populate
with all of the machines running frmUDPServer that have received a message
from the .exe through the network.

A note about subnets/lans/NICs.  If frmUDPServer is running on a machine
that has multiple NICs, it is going to receive a message for each NIC it
has.  This isn't a concern for the shutdown, and the prompted shutdown
(though the prompted shutdown will delay a little longer, because the first
hit will start it, and the second, third, fourth, etc hits will reset the
time on it....so the countdown won't really countdown until all of the hits
come in. (Unless your network is literally crawling, this will all take less
then a second....).  Sending messages, however, will popup on their machine
for each NIC they have (and on the listbox, you'll see that computername
show up for each message 'received'.

Last note, BE CAREFUL.  This is a SAMPLE project, and I personally wouldn't
use it in a live system as is.  (That is why I sent the VB source).
frmUDPServer has absolutely no safeguards in place.  It receives a
particular string, it stops Access.  I personally would recommend a little
tighter 'confirmation'.  For sample purposes, I'm simply sending out a
simple string 'ShutdownNow' (I think).  I would make that a little more
complex, so that you don't provide an easy method for a hacker to go around
shutting down your applications.

Enjoy!

Drew


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From karenr7 at oz.net  Wed Aug 17 16:45:11 2005
From: karenr7 at oz.net (Karen Rosenstiel)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 14:45:11 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] WIERD little problem
In-Reply-To: <855499653F55AD4190B242717DF132BC08317F@dewey.Symphony.local>
Message-ID: <200508172145.j7HLj9R02626@databaseadvisors.com>

You got it. I finally found it today and deleted the record. Voila!

Gawd, isn't Access fun....  :(

Regards,

Karen Rosenstiel
Seattle WA USA 
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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Liz Doering
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 6:45 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] WIERD little problem

Karen,

Have you checked the tables used in the report for a corrupt record?


Liz Doering
Symphony Information Services
liz at symphonyinfo.com
www.symphonyinfo.com


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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Karen
Rosenstiel
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 5:31 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] WIERD little problem

I have a simple little scheduling database, front end and back end. I
tried
to print a report for tomorrow - a simple list - the database crashed.
For
some strange reason I cannot print the reports I need for tomorrow,
although
I could print reports for different dates - just not for tomorrow. It
closed
itself down and tried to compact itself and send a report to MS. 

At that point, I discovered that one of staff left open the front end
with a
little popup form from which you can view or print the reports wide
open. I
got her out of a meeting to shut down her open Access and then deleted
the
backup copies and the .ldb files. I could compact/repair the BE but not
the
FE. 

Has anybody had anything like this happen before? Any suggestions? I
need to
mention that I can't send the database to anybody for inspection because
of
confidentiality restrictions (I work in a jail health clinic).

Thanks in advance.

Regards,

Karen Rosenstiel
Seattle WA USA 


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From ssharkins at bellsouth.net  Wed Aug 17 16:50:09 2005
From: ssharkins at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 17:50:09 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] checkboxes aren't functioning
In-Reply-To: <005d01c5a370$885e8e50$fac581d5@pedro>
Message-ID: <20050817215006.BPBZ10832.ibm63aec.bellsouth.net@SUSANONE>

You said there's no code affecting the controls? Not just behind the control
itself, but nothing trying to alter it anywhere at all? 

This will happen in a continuous form if you change a format/property using
code, based on another value in the record. For instance, if you want to
enable/disable a checkbox based on the value in a text box -- in a
continuous form, such code would enable/disable all of the check box
controls, depending on the current record -- I think (without testing, but
pretty sure). 

Not in a continuous form? 

Susan H. 

Hello All who responded,

thanks for the advise, but al fieldproperties are ok.
The database worked fine, nothing changed, but the checkboxes stopped
working correctly.
The strange part is that for example in record 1 the checkboxes are working,
in record 2 they aren't and in record 3 they work again. I also heard today
that suddenly you can't make new records with this form. I heven't seen this
yet, but i will come back on this tommorrow.

Pedro Janssen



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From: "Stuart McLachlan" <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 4:10 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] checkboxes aren't functioning


> On 17 Aug 2005 at 8:51, John W. Colby wrote:
>
> > However what if it is bound to a non-boolean field.  For example it 
> > is
bound
> > to an integer, the integer can contain 0 and -1 (and null) so it 
> > looks
like
> > it works just fine.  But what happens if the field gets set to 
> > something other than null, 0 or -1?
> >
>
> 0 is false, anything else (other than Null) is "Not False" ie ticked.
>
>
>
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>
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Wed Aug 17 16:51:50 2005
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (DWUTKA at marlow.com)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 16:51:50 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Force Remote Shutdown Instantly! No timers (sort of
	)WAS:RE: [Ac cessD] How to Manage Maintenance Mode - Auto shutdown
Message-ID: <123701F54509D9119A4F00D0B747349016DD6D@main2.marlow.com>

Huh?  You have an application on a machine, let's call it 'ServerA'.  That
application is an .mdb, running in the Access environment, right?  And you
need a way to to that application off.....from ServerA?  Why not just turn
it off? 

Now, if you are running two processes, both on ServerA, and you want one
process to 'shutdown' the other, okay, that's easy, switch from UDP to TCP.
You can easily connect to an app on the same machine with TCP.  (The first
sample I posted today does that, if it determines the client is on the same
machine as the server). 

Drew

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From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 4:36 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Force Remote Shutdown Instantly! No timers (sort
of)WAS:RE: [Ac cessD] How to Manage Maintenance Mode - Auto shutdown


>You don't NEED to shut down a LOCAL machine's application REMOTELY! Eh?
LOL)

Just goes to show, you never know.  I have a server running an application.
I would be running this udp server exe on that server, and it would need to
shutdown that app.  But who's quibbling.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of DWUTKA at marlow.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 4:18 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Force Remote Shutdown Instantly! No timers (sort
of)WAS:RE: [Ac cessD] How to Manage Maintenance Mode - Auto shutdown


Okay, JC asked about using UDP in reverse.  Since I don't know how
experienced ya'all are with winsocks and TCP/IP communications, I decided to
whip something up.  http://www.marlow.com/RemoteShutdown.zip

Here's how this works.  Inside that zip you'll find an Access 2000 database
with one form and an AutoExec macro (sorry, not writing complete startup
code just for a sample).  The AutoExec opens frmUDPServer 'hidden'.  That
form just sits there, and does absolutely nothing, until UDP comms come into
port 9999.  When the comms come in, there are three options, it will either
directly shutdown (docmd.Quit), it will display itself and give the user 10
seconds to cancel the shutdown (that is why this uses a timer, the timer
event only starts running during the 'prompted shutdown'), or it will
display a message (msgbox).  Also, inside the zip, you'll fine
testclient.exe (along with the VB source code for that .exe).  When you run
that, you'll find that a textbox, listbox, and three command buttons.  

The three buttons do what they say.  Click Shutdown Clients, and ALL Access
sessions on your network, that have frmUDPServer running in the background
will close.  Click 'Ask To Shutdown', and ALL Access sessions with
frmUDPServer running in the background will now display frmUDPServer, and
give the user 10 seconds to cancel the shutdown.  Click 'Send Message To
Clients', and a msgbox will appear on all of the same machines with the text
of what is in the 'Data To Send' labeled textbox.

A few special items to note.  Pressing Any of the three buttons, while
running an Access .mdb with frmUDPServer on the same machine will result in
a 'Cannot use this if a server is running locally!' message, and nothing
will happen.  It's a limitation of UDP comms, but that DOES NOT limit this
application.  (You don't NEED to shut down a LOCAL machine's application
REMOTELY! Eh? LOL).  So if you want to test this, you will need two
machines, one to run the .mdb, and one to run the .exe.

Next note, this uses the winsock .ocx.  As I mentioned in a reply to JC
earlier, this could all be done with API's if so desired, but honestly, I
just don't have time to write this all out with API calls.

Next note, almost forgot the listbox.  When frmUDPServer gets a message from
the network, it sends back it's computer name.  So the listbox will populate
with all of the machines running frmUDPServer that have received a message
from the .exe through the network.

A note about subnets/lans/NICs.  If frmUDPServer is running on a machine
that has multiple NICs, it is going to receive a message for each NIC it
has.  This isn't a concern for the shutdown, and the prompted shutdown
(though the prompted shutdown will delay a little longer, because the first
hit will start it, and the second, third, fourth, etc hits will reset the
time on it....so the countdown won't really countdown until all of the hits
come in. (Unless your network is literally crawling, this will all take less
then a second....).  Sending messages, however, will popup on their machine
for each NIC they have (and on the listbox, you'll see that computername
show up for each message 'received'.

Last note, BE CAREFUL.  This is a SAMPLE project, and I personally wouldn't
use it in a live system as is.  (That is why I sent the VB source).
frmUDPServer has absolutely no safeguards in place.  It receives a
particular string, it stops Access.  I personally would recommend a little
tighter 'confirmation'.  For sample purposes, I'm simply sending out a
simple string 'ShutdownNow' (I think).  I would make that a little more
complex, so that you don't provide an easy method for a hacker to go around
shutting down your applications.

Enjoy!

Drew


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From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Aug 17 17:18:56 2005
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 15:18:56 -0700
Subject: OT  [AccessD] Ajax and Atlas with XML
In-Reply-To: <4302C43E.3030505@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <0ILE00K170NKCI@l-daemon>

Hi Marty:

I was just joking about the Hamsters... but my god it is still around.
Created a row of cows doing the can-can for the late dairy named 'Royal Oak'
(you will remember as you are from here). I do not have it anymore so you
are all safe.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 10:00 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ajax and Atlas with XML

I realize Victoria is little out date but this is archived from the net 
10 years ago,
It is now considered a net classic. The Original Hampster Dance
Dance the night away!

http://www.hamsterdance.com/classorig.html

Haven't looked at .net variation but probably the same basic theme and 
methods with a bit more class.

Jim Lawrence wrote:

>Marty what do you mean 'No dancing Hamster'! :-(
>
>What is your opinion on the AJAX.Net variation on AJAX which seems to be
the
>hottest ticket?
>
>Jim
>



From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Aug 17 17:43:44 2005
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 15:43:44 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas
In-Reply-To: <BAYC1-PASMTP0451A165E5BF55E049596CAEB30@cez.ice>
Message-ID: <0ILE00KAD1SV52@l-daemon>

That I might be able to get on board with.... Jim

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
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Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 6:30 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas

On 16 Aug 2005 at 16:45, David Mcafee wrote:

> Speaking of which, isn't it that time again?

Yep. I think so. The last one, IIRC, was at Lembit's place in Germany 
last summer.

I think we need one in Canada this time. Somewhere in Southern 
Ontario is my suggestion :)

-- 
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I've learned.... 
That the less time I have to work with, the more things I get done.




From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Aug 17 17:56:05 2005
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 18:56:05 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Force Remote Shutdown Instantly! No timers (sort
	of)WAS:RE: [Ac cessD] How to Manage Maintenance Mode - Auto shutdown
In-Reply-To: <123701F54509D9119A4F00D0B747349016DD6D@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <00f501c5a37e$d9088c30$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

>Why not just turn it off? 

Because it is an unattended server.  The server is a file server serving the
BE to the main application running on workstations.  The server also runs an
application that sends documents to my client's client via email.  At
specific times of day the application runs a process to send out the email
with a report attached.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of DWUTKA at marlow.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 5:52 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Force Remote Shutdown Instantly! No timers (sort
of)WAS:RE: [Ac cessD] How to Manage Maintenance Mode - Auto shutdown


Huh?  You have an application on a machine, let's call it 'ServerA'.  That
application is an .mdb, running in the Access environment, right?  And you
need a way to to that application off.....from ServerA?  Why not just turn
it off? 

Now, if you are running two processes, both on ServerA, and you want one
process to 'shutdown' the other, okay, that's easy, switch from UDP to TCP.
You can easily connect to an app on the same machine with TCP.  (The first
sample I posted today does that, if it determines the client is on the same
machine as the server). 

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 4:36 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Force Remote Shutdown Instantly! No timers (sort
of)WAS:RE: [Ac cessD] How to Manage Maintenance Mode - Auto shutdown


>You don't NEED to shut down a LOCAL machine's application REMOTELY! Eh?
LOL)

Just goes to show, you never know.  I have a server running an application.
I would be running this udp server exe on that server, and it would need to
shutdown that app.  But who's quibbling.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of DWUTKA at marlow.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 4:18 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Force Remote Shutdown Instantly! No timers (sort
of)WAS:RE: [Ac cessD] How to Manage Maintenance Mode - Auto shutdown


Okay, JC asked about using UDP in reverse.  Since I don't know how
experienced ya'all are with winsocks and TCP/IP communications, I decided to
whip something up.  http://www.marlow.com/RemoteShutdown.zip

Here's how this works.  Inside that zip you'll find an Access 2000 database
with one form and an AutoExec macro (sorry, not writing complete startup
code just for a sample).  The AutoExec opens frmUDPServer 'hidden'.  That
form just sits there, and does absolutely nothing, until UDP comms come into
port 9999.  When the comms come in, there are three options, it will either
directly shutdown (docmd.Quit), it will display itself and give the user 10
seconds to cancel the shutdown (that is why this uses a timer, the timer
event only starts running during the 'prompted shutdown'), or it will
display a message (msgbox).  Also, inside the zip, you'll fine
testclient.exe (along with the VB source code for that .exe).  When you run
that, you'll find that a textbox, listbox, and three command buttons.  

The three buttons do what they say.  Click Shutdown Clients, and ALL Access
sessions on your network, that have frmUDPServer running in the background
will close.  Click 'Ask To Shutdown', and ALL Access sessions with
frmUDPServer running in the background will now display frmUDPServer, and
give the user 10 seconds to cancel the shutdown.  Click 'Send Message To
Clients', and a msgbox will appear on all of the same machines with the text
of what is in the 'Data To Send' labeled textbox.

A few special items to note.  Pressing Any of the three buttons, while
running an Access .mdb with frmUDPServer on the same machine will result in
a 'Cannot use this if a server is running locally!' message, and nothing
will happen.  It's a limitation of UDP comms, but that DOES NOT limit this
application.  (You don't NEED to shut down a LOCAL machine's application
REMOTELY! Eh? LOL).  So if you want to test this, you will need two
machines, one to run the .mdb, and one to run the .exe.

Next note, this uses the winsock .ocx.  As I mentioned in a reply to JC
earlier, this could all be done with API's if so desired, but honestly, I
just don't have time to write this all out with API calls.

Next note, almost forgot the listbox.  When frmUDPServer gets a message from
the network, it sends back it's computer name.  So the listbox will populate
with all of the machines running frmUDPServer that have received a message
from the .exe through the network.

A note about subnets/lans/NICs.  If frmUDPServer is running on a machine
that has multiple NICs, it is going to receive a message for each NIC it
has.  This isn't a concern for the shutdown, and the prompted shutdown
(though the prompted shutdown will delay a little longer, because the first
hit will start it, and the second, third, fourth, etc hits will reset the
time on it....so the countdown won't really countdown until all of the hits
come in. (Unless your network is literally crawling, this will all take less
then a second....).  Sending messages, however, will popup on their machine
for each NIC they have (and on the listbox, you'll see that computername
show up for each message 'received'.

Last note, BE CAREFUL.  This is a SAMPLE project, and I personally wouldn't
use it in a live system as is.  (That is why I sent the VB source).
frmUDPServer has absolutely no safeguards in place.  It receives a
particular string, it stops Access.  I personally would recommend a little
tighter 'confirmation'.  For sample purposes, I'm simply sending out a
simple string 'ShutdownNow' (I think).  I would make that a little more
complex, so that you don't provide an easy method for a hacker to go around
shutting down your applications.

Enjoy!

Drew


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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Wed Aug 17 18:13:50 2005
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (DWUTKA at marlow.com)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 18:13:50 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Force Remote Shutdown Instantly! No timers (sort of
	)WAS:RE: [Ac cessD] How to Manage Maintenance Mode - Auto shutdown
Message-ID: <123701F54509D9119A4F00D0B747349016DD71@main2.marlow.com>

Okay, and what is it that you want to shutdown?

I'm a little confused.  If the backend is an .mdb, there is nothing to shut
off, it's a file share, not a service.  The workstations running off of that
backend (with their frontends) could be shutdown with the sample I posted.
The application that sends emails, which is running on the server (and I'll
assume it's an Access application being fired off by the scheduler service),
that sounds like it's a start, run, stop process.  If you need to interupt
it, (not sure how long it takes to run), but you could use the TCP protocol
approach, if it needs to be interrupted from another application (but you
haven't listed another application....so far it's only the report/email
application...the .mdb itself is not a 'running' application.

Now, if you want to have the application on the server (which runs and
emails the reports) to have the ability of shutting down the client front
ends on the network workstations, then just port the VB .exe I posted into
it, so that IT sends out the message for the clients to shut down.

That portion CAN run from a machine running anything you want.  The clash is
in the UDP protocol, since it is connectionless, it has to have both the
local and remote ports set, so you can't have two applications (the .exe and
an .mdb) running the same ports on the same machine, they will clash!  

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 5:56 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Force Remote Shutdown Instantly! No timers (sort
of)WAS:RE: [Ac cessD] How to Manage Maintenance Mode - Auto shutdown


>Why not just turn it off? 

Because it is an unattended server.  The server is a file server serving the
BE to the main application running on workstations.  The server also runs an
application that sends documents to my client's client via email.  At
specific times of day the application runs a process to send out the email
with a report attached.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of DWUTKA at marlow.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 5:52 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Force Remote Shutdown Instantly! No timers (sort
of)WAS:RE: [Ac cessD] How to Manage Maintenance Mode - Auto shutdown


Huh?  You have an application on a machine, let's call it 'ServerA'.  That
application is an .mdb, running in the Access environment, right?  And you
need a way to to that application off.....from ServerA?  Why not just turn
it off? 

Now, if you are running two processes, both on ServerA, and you want one
process to 'shutdown' the other, okay, that's easy, switch from UDP to TCP.
You can easily connect to an app on the same machine with TCP.  (The first
sample I posted today does that, if it determines the client is on the same
machine as the server). 

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 4:36 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Force Remote Shutdown Instantly! No timers (sort
of)WAS:RE: [Ac cessD] How to Manage Maintenance Mode - Auto shutdown


>You don't NEED to shut down a LOCAL machine's application REMOTELY! Eh?
LOL)

Just goes to show, you never know.  I have a server running an application.
I would be running this udp server exe on that server, and it would need to
shutdown that app.  But who's quibbling.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of DWUTKA at marlow.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 4:18 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Force Remote Shutdown Instantly! No timers (sort
of)WAS:RE: [Ac cessD] How to Manage Maintenance Mode - Auto shutdown


Okay, JC asked about using UDP in reverse.  Since I don't know how
experienced ya'all are with winsocks and TCP/IP communications, I decided to
whip something up.  http://www.marlow.com/RemoteShutdown.zip

Here's how this works.  Inside that zip you'll find an Access 2000 database
with one form and an AutoExec macro (sorry, not writing complete startup
code just for a sample).  The AutoExec opens frmUDPServer 'hidden'.  That
form just sits there, and does absolutely nothing, until UDP comms come into
port 9999.  When the comms come in, there are three options, it will either
directly shutdown (docmd.Quit), it will display itself and give the user 10
seconds to cancel the shutdown (that is why this uses a timer, the timer
event only starts running during the 'prompted shutdown'), or it will
display a message (msgbox).  Also, inside the zip, you'll fine
testclient.exe (along with the VB source code for that .exe).  When you run
that, you'll find that a textbox, listbox, and three command buttons.  

The three buttons do what they say.  Click Shutdown Clients, and ALL Access
sessions on your network, that have frmUDPServer running in the background
will close.  Click 'Ask To Shutdown', and ALL Access sessions with
frmUDPServer running in the background will now display frmUDPServer, and
give the user 10 seconds to cancel the shutdown.  Click 'Send Message To
Clients', and a msgbox will appear on all of the same machines with the text
of what is in the 'Data To Send' labeled textbox.

A few special items to note.  Pressing Any of the three buttons, while
running an Access .mdb with frmUDPServer on the same machine will result in
a 'Cannot use this if a server is running locally!' message, and nothing
will happen.  It's a limitation of UDP comms, but that DOES NOT limit this
application.  (You don't NEED to shut down a LOCAL machine's application
REMOTELY! Eh? LOL).  So if you want to test this, you will need two
machines, one to run the .mdb, and one to run the .exe.

Next note, this uses the winsock .ocx.  As I mentioned in a reply to JC
earlier, this could all be done with API's if so desired, but honestly, I
just don't have time to write this all out with API calls.

Next note, almost forgot the listbox.  When frmUDPServer gets a message from
the network, it sends back it's computer name.  So the listbox will populate
with all of the machines running frmUDPServer that have received a message
from the .exe through the network.

A note about subnets/lans/NICs.  If frmUDPServer is running on a machine
that has multiple NICs, it is going to receive a message for each NIC it
has.  This isn't a concern for the shutdown, and the prompted shutdown
(though the prompted shutdown will delay a little longer, because the first
hit will start it, and the second, third, fourth, etc hits will reset the
time on it....so the countdown won't really countdown until all of the hits
come in. (Unless your network is literally crawling, this will all take less
then a second....).  Sending messages, however, will popup on their machine
for each NIC they have (and on the listbox, you'll see that computername
show up for each message 'received'.

Last note, BE CAREFUL.  This is a SAMPLE project, and I personally wouldn't
use it in a live system as is.  (That is why I sent the VB source).
frmUDPServer has absolutely no safeguards in place.  It receives a
particular string, it stops Access.  I personally would recommend a little
tighter 'confirmation'.  For sample purposes, I'm simply sending out a
simple string 'ShutdownNow' (I think).  I would make that a little more
complex, so that you don't provide an easy method for a hacker to go around
shutting down your applications.

Enjoy!

Drew


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From shamil at users.mns.ru  Wed Aug 17 18:28:31 2005
From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 03:28:31 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
Message-ID: <004b01c5a383$7bdab060$6401a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru>

Hi All,

I wanted to ask you - what about the subject?
Anybody uses/interested to use MS Access client applications this way?

Do I miss obvious (RTFM) stuff and such a disconnected mode is already
implemented in MS Access and broadly used by MS Access developers? Yes, I
know ADO recordsets can be used with bound MS Access forms etc. but this
looks like a rather limited feature - am I wrong?

What I mean is cashing data locally into mdbs, only the data needed for the
currently open form(s) etc., processing this data and then updating backend
database(mdb, MSDE, MS SQL, whatever...) - with all this cashing and
updating made mostly automatically by a tiny framework code, based on
ADO.NET...(yes, this local caching of data is not a new subject but nowadays
it can be (re-)implement really scalable way with a way less efforts than
before)

Maybe MS plans to do something like that?

Is that a wheel reinvention or anybody here sees such opportunity like a
really useful feature in their real life projects?

For me it looks like a useful feature because it could help: to get MS
Access back into mainstream development area because it will allow to easily
scale applications with MS Access front-ends...

There are many other ideas but most of them in this "ideas pool" based on
the subject one - if it doesn't make sense for real-life projects then I'd
better stop working on it...

What is your opinion about the subject?
When you expect MS will do something like that in MS Access?

Thank you,
Shamil



From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Aug 17 18:17:05 2005
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 16:17:05 -0700
Subject: OT  [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas
In-Reply-To: <00bb01c5a346$6b965660$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <0ILE00K6S3CH4O@l-daemon>

John: 

It is on record now and will never be forgotten. Even M$ is moving all their
data processing to the disconnected data model. Mind you the locally held
data can be manipulated and bound but a reconnection must be made be the
source data can be updated.

Jim 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 9:12 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas

LOL.  Nope, typo.  <hides head in shame>

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of DWUTKA at marlow.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 11:08 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas


Since when did you become an unbounder?  I'm a little shocked at that.  I
guess you finally came across to the dark side! ;)

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 5:27 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas


>so the occasional bound/unbound, natural/surrogate key, and naming
convention argument are simply a way of maintaining our individuality in the
world of massive neuron flux.  ;)

No, unbound forms and surrogate keys are just superior.  ;-0  And of course
anyone who doesn't use a naming convention, specifically MY naming
convention is... a dolt.  <grin>

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of DWUTKA at marlow.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 5:37 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas


<grin>, I was hoping you were going to get a good chuckle out of that.
Personally, I think that is one of the main factors why this list puts out
good tips, and is so helpful to people.  It's the 'chest pounding' factor.
Whether we want to admit it or not, we'll fall all over each other trying to
help someone because we want to show off a bit.  This is one of the rare
parts of our lives where people actually CAN appreciate how brilliant we all
our.... ;)

I tried explaining a process I was working on involving custom events and
classes to a fellow computer geek, and I got the glassy eyed look of
complete confusion.  

So to everyone on the list, we're all geniuses....so pat someone on the back
when you can, and get ready to be patted yourself.  Yes, to the rest of the
world we're a bunch of 'nerds', but wear that label with pride. (a few
tattoos and a decent weight training program will keep most of the 'nerd'
remarks in check....) ;)

Just keep in mind that while we all like to impress with our ideas, genius
comes with a lot of prejudice, so the occasional bound/unbound,
natural/surrogate key, and naming convention argument are simply a way of
maintaining our individuality in the world of massive neuron flux.  ;)

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 4:26 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas


ROTFLMAO.

John W. Colby
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That's easy, and requires no code or special hardware.  Just call up JC, and
tell him that you don't think his framework would hand XYZ...and let him
prove you wrong.  When he has given you proof, thank him, tell him he's
stellar, and a god among mortals, and walk away with completed JC Classes.

<grin>

Of course, the same method will work on me too....

Drew

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Voice command app that would automatically write John Colby Classes and code
for you.

Joe Hecht
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From dejpolsys at hotmail.com  Wed Aug 17 18:47:19 2005
From: dejpolsys at hotmail.com (William Hindman)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 19:47:19 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
References: <004b01c5a383$7bdab060$6401a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru>
Message-ID: <BAY103-DAV16092568B71CAA8F1065C4AEB30@phx.gbl>

Shamil

..I must be missing something ...that sounds like replication to me.

William

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Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 7:28 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..


> Hi All,
>
> I wanted to ask you - what about the subject?
> Anybody uses/interested to use MS Access client applications this way?
>
> Do I miss obvious (RTFM) stuff and such a disconnected mode is already
> implemented in MS Access and broadly used by MS Access developers? Yes, I
> know ADO recordsets can be used with bound MS Access forms etc. but this
> looks like a rather limited feature - am I wrong?
>
> What I mean is cashing data locally into mdbs, only the data needed for 
> the
> currently open form(s) etc., processing this data and then updating 
> backend
> database(mdb, MSDE, MS SQL, whatever...) - with all this cashing and
> updating made mostly automatically by a tiny framework code, based on
> ADO.NET...(yes, this local caching of data is not a new subject but 
> nowadays
> it can be (re-)implement really scalable way with a way less efforts than
> before)
>
> Maybe MS plans to do something like that?
>
> Is that a wheel reinvention or anybody here sees such opportunity like a
> really useful feature in their real life projects?
>
> For me it looks like a useful feature because it could help: to get MS
> Access back into mainstream development area because it will allow to 
> easily
> scale applications with MS Access front-ends...
>
> There are many other ideas but most of them in this "ideas pool" based on
> the subject one - if it doesn't make sense for real-life projects then I'd
> better stop working on it...
>
> What is your opinion about the subject?
> When you expect MS will do something like that in MS Access?
>
> Thank you,
> Shamil
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Aug 17 18:47:33 2005
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 19:47:33 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Force Remote Shutdown Instantly! No timers (sort
	of)WAS:RE: [Ac cessD] How to Manage Maintenance Mode - Auto shutdown
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Message-ID: <00f601c5a386$0cafa530$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

I have workstations running an application (call center for AIG Insurance
company - Disability claims division) that hit the BE on the server.  

I have an entirely different application (email reporting FE, reports new
claims and authorizations to pay claims back to AIG Insurance company)
running only on the server that hits the be on the server.  It is NOT being
fired off by the Windows scheduler, it runs 24/7 and has it's own logic to
decide when reports need to go.  

In fact that same application also RECEIVES emails from AIG Insurance
company which contain Excel attachments containing payment information.
These emails cause an outlook object to fire events that are sunk in one of
my classes, which then process the emails.  These payment files get stripped
off the email, placed into directories on the server, linked to the Email
Reporting FE, and subsequently appended into tables in the same BE that the
call center software is hitting.  This payment info is then available to the
call center personnel when the person filing a claim calls and asks "where's
my check".

Everything hitting the BE on the server needs to shut down when I ask it to.
I do NOT want MY application running on the server to shut down the
workstations, I want your EXE (SOME APPLICATION) (running on the server)
that shuts down the workstation Fes to also shut down the Server Email
Reporting FE.


Three things running.  Call Center Fes on workstations (often left on
overnight).  Email Reporting application.  Payment Import application.

ALL this stuff needs to shut down when I need access to the BE.

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Subject: RE: [AccessD] Force Remote Shutdown Instantly! No timers (sort
of)WAS:RE: [Ac cessD] How to Manage Maintenance Mode - Auto shutdown


Okay, and what is it that you want to shutdown?

I'm a little confused.  If the backend is an .mdb, there is nothing to shut
off, it's a file share, not a service.  The workstations running off of that
backend (with their frontends) could be shutdown with the sample I posted.
The application that sends emails, which is running on the server (and I'll
assume it's an Access application being fired off by the scheduler service),
that sounds like it's a start, run, stop process.  If you need to interupt
it, (not sure how long it takes to run), but you could use the TCP protocol
approach, if it needs to be interrupted from another application (but you
haven't listed another application....so far it's only the report/email
application...the .mdb itself is not a 'running' application.

Now, if you want to have the application on the server (which runs and
emails the reports) to have the ability of shutting down the client front
ends on the network workstations, then just port the VB .exe I posted into
it, so that IT sends out the message for the clients to shut down.

That portion CAN run from a machine running anything you want.  The clash is
in the UDP protocol, since it is connectionless, it has to have both the
local and remote ports set, so you can't have two applications (the .exe and
an .mdb) running the same ports on the same machine, they will clash!  

Drew

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Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 5:56 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
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of)WAS:RE: [Ac cessD] How to Manage Maintenance Mode - Auto shutdown


>Why not just turn it off?

Because it is an unattended server.  The server is a file server serving the
BE to the main application running on workstations.  The server also runs an
application that sends documents to my client's client via email.  At
specific times of day the application runs a process to send out the email
with a report attached.

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Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 5:52 PM
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of)WAS:RE: [Ac cessD] How to Manage Maintenance Mode - Auto shutdown


Huh?  You have an application on a machine, let's call it 'ServerA'.  That
application is an .mdb, running in the Access environment, right?  And you
need a way to to that application off.....from ServerA?  Why not just turn
it off? 

Now, if you are running two processes, both on ServerA, and you want one
process to 'shutdown' the other, okay, that's easy, switch from UDP to TCP.
You can easily connect to an app on the same machine with TCP.  (The first
sample I posted today does that, if it determines the client is on the same
machine as the server). 

Drew

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>You don't NEED to shut down a LOCAL machine's application REMOTELY! Eh?
LOL)

Just goes to show, you never know.  I have a server running an application.
I would be running this udp server exe on that server, and it would need to
shutdown that app.  But who's quibbling.

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Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 4:18 PM
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Subject: [AccessD] Force Remote Shutdown Instantly! No timers (sort
of)WAS:RE: [Ac cessD] How to Manage Maintenance Mode - Auto shutdown


Okay, JC asked about using UDP in reverse.  Since I don't know how
experienced ya'all are with winsocks and TCP/IP communications, I decided to
whip something up.  http://www.marlow.com/RemoteShutdown.zip

Here's how this works.  Inside that zip you'll find an Access 2000 database
with one form and an AutoExec macro (sorry, not writing complete startup
code just for a sample).  The AutoExec opens frmUDPServer 'hidden'.  That
form just sits there, and does absolutely nothing, until UDP comms come into
port 9999.  When the comms come in, there are three options, it will either
directly shutdown (docmd.Quit), it will display itself and give the user 10
seconds to cancel the shutdown (that is why this uses a timer, the timer
event only starts running during the 'prompted shutdown'), or it will
display a message (msgbox).  Also, inside the zip, you'll fine
testclient.exe (along with the VB source code for that .exe).  When you run
that, you'll find that a textbox, listbox, and three command buttons.  

The three buttons do what they say.  Click Shutdown Clients, and ALL Access
sessions on your network, that have frmUDPServer running in the background
will close.  Click 'Ask To Shutdown', and ALL Access sessions with
frmUDPServer running in the background will now display frmUDPServer, and
give the user 10 seconds to cancel the shutdown.  Click 'Send Message To
Clients', and a msgbox will appear on all of the same machines with the text
of what is in the 'Data To Send' labeled textbox.

A few special items to note.  Pressing Any of the three buttons, while
running an Access .mdb with frmUDPServer on the same machine will result in
a 'Cannot use this if a server is running locally!' message, and nothing
will happen.  It's a limitation of UDP comms, but that DOES NOT limit this
application.  (You don't NEED to shut down a LOCAL machine's application
REMOTELY! Eh? LOL).  So if you want to test this, you will need two
machines, one to run the .mdb, and one to run the .exe.

Next note, this uses the winsock .ocx.  As I mentioned in a reply to JC
earlier, this could all be done with API's if so desired, but honestly, I
just don't have time to write this all out with API calls.

Next note, almost forgot the listbox.  When frmUDPServer gets a message from
the network, it sends back it's computer name.  So the listbox will populate
with all of the machines running frmUDPServer that have received a message
from the .exe through the network.

A note about subnets/lans/NICs.  If frmUDPServer is running on a machine
that has multiple NICs, it is going to receive a message for each NIC it
has.  This isn't a concern for the shutdown, and the prompted shutdown
(though the prompted shutdown will delay a little longer, because the first
hit will start it, and the second, third, fourth, etc hits will reset the
time on it....so the countdown won't really countdown until all of the hits
come in. (Unless your network is literally crawling, this will all take less
then a second....).  Sending messages, however, will popup on their machine
for each NIC they have (and on the listbox, you'll see that computername
show up for each message 'received'.

Last note, BE CAREFUL.  This is a SAMPLE project, and I personally wouldn't
use it in a live system as is.  (That is why I sent the VB source).
frmUDPServer has absolutely no safeguards in place.  It receives a
particular string, it stops Access.  I personally would recommend a little
tighter 'confirmation'.  For sample purposes, I'm simply sending out a
simple string 'ShutdownNow' (I think).  I would make that a little more
complex, so that you don't provide an easy method for a hacker to go around
shutting down your applications.

Enjoy!

Drew


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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Aug 17 18:50:24 2005
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 19:50:24 -0400
Subject: OT  [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas
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Message-ID: <00f701c5a386$6ff96e50$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

Yea, yea, yea.  I know all about it.  And of course it all makes sense when
the data is going out over the internet, but when there are a small number
of workstations on a LAN the argument is much less compelling.  And IF you
are going to do unbound stuff then Access may no longer be the optimum dev
environment.

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Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 7:17 PM
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John: 

It is on record now and will never be forgotten. Even M$ is moving all their
data processing to the disconnected data model. Mind you the locally held
data can be manipulated and bound but a reconnection must be made be the
source data can be updated.

Jim 

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Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 9:12 AM
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LOL.  Nope, typo.  <hides head in shame>

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Since when did you become an unbounder?  I'm a little shocked at that.  I
guess you finally came across to the dark side! ;)

Drew

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>so the occasional bound/unbound, natural/surrogate key, and naming
convention argument are simply a way of maintaining our individuality in the
world of massive neuron flux.  ;)

No, unbound forms and surrogate keys are just superior.  ;-0  And of course
anyone who doesn't use a naming convention, specifically MY naming
convention is... a dolt.  <grin>

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<grin>, I was hoping you were going to get a good chuckle out of that.
Personally, I think that is one of the main factors why this list puts out
good tips, and is so helpful to people.  It's the 'chest pounding' factor.
Whether we want to admit it or not, we'll fall all over each other trying to
help someone because we want to show off a bit.  This is one of the rare
parts of our lives where people actually CAN appreciate how brilliant we all
our.... ;)

I tried explaining a process I was working on involving custom events and
classes to a fellow computer geek, and I got the glassy eyed look of
complete confusion.  

So to everyone on the list, we're all geniuses....so pat someone on the back
when you can, and get ready to be patted yourself.  Yes, to the rest of the
world we're a bunch of 'nerds', but wear that label with pride. (a few
tattoos and a decent weight training program will keep most of the 'nerd'
remarks in check....) ;)

Just keep in mind that while we all like to impress with our ideas, genius
comes with a lot of prejudice, so the occasional bound/unbound,
natural/surrogate key, and naming convention argument are simply a way of
maintaining our individuality in the world of massive neuron flux.  ;)

Drew

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Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 4:26 PM
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ROTFLMAO.

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That's easy, and requires no code or special hardware.  Just call up JC, and
tell him that you don't think his framework would hand XYZ...and let him
prove you wrong.  When he has given you proof, thank him, tell him he's
stellar, and a god among mortals, and walk away with completed JC Classes.

<grin>

Of course, the same method will work on me too....

Drew

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Voice command app that would automatically write John Colby Classes and code
for you.

Joe Hecht
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Aug 17 19:02:34 2005
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 17:02:34 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] I Need Some Ideas
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Hi Bryan:

I am just throwing out ideas. Any database designs and management is
directly translatable to MS SQL so that is no problem. (Check-out
DBDesigner, an open source visual DB tool.) Connecting remotely to an
operation MS SQL server is no problem and there is even a free EM that can
run on any PC. If you are interested I can always send along a link.
(I could be talked into helping or prototyping just not initiating at this
moment.)

Where is your back-door when you need it. :-(

I think someone else mentioned an expedition gathering great code samples
and solutions from our huge DBA lists. There are some real gems in there and
they could go into creating an unrivalled Access library.  
 
(We might be able to trade Linux help for MS SQL help... off-line as I have
just setup a Linux station and am current finding some simple issues that
take days.)

Jim
 
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Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 6:15 AM
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On 15 Aug 2005 at 19:34, Jim Lawrence wrote:

> Our web site needs a lot of work to move to the next level.
> 
> A few simple things that would require a bit of research... 
> 
> 1. Create the definitive link list for the site. You know most of the
> sites from but there are a few out there that are not obvious but
> definitely should be counted... like 'http://www.colbyconsulting.com/'
> or 'http://www.rogersaccesslibrary.com' or
> 'http://www.mvps.org/access/' and many more. It would be great to be
> able to create the ultimate Access research page. 

You just listed the only sites I use for Access stuff. :)

I do have a series of links in my favourites at work that I can't get 
access to at the moment :( Ya just gotta love union negotiations that 
end in lockouts instead of a new contract :(

> 2. Putting some of the great comments and code snippets into either a
> gazette or new article for upcoming issues(s).

Hmmmm, this could be an interesting challenge

> 3 List member advertisement pages stores on a MS SQL DB. This is not
> confirmed by the executive yet but I believe it makes sense. We should
> be supporting our list members' accomplishment like their books,
> articles, programs or even design and support companies. We are a way
> from implementing this but the format, design, and coding can be
> started as it will be a lengthy development from creation to
> implementation.

The problem is that I don't know anything about MS SQL of interfacing 
in with the web. Nor do I have access to a box with MS SQL and IIS.

> 4. There is of course .Net... and XML/HXML/AJAX... where much of
> Access development is heading/expanding. It is a truly distributive
> application development platform and the performance is really awesome
> when using ASP.Net client side is coupled with ADO.Net... 'a thousand
> users are serviced as fast as one' (Not mine but a quote from a
> book.). Should we be looking seriously at this? Articles, new lists,
> roll our own? 

Too many acronymns :) Seriously, I think it would be just a bit too 
much for me to learn all at once right now.

> These are just a few of the web site work that is waiting to be
> started and implemented.  

There are some good ideas there Jim. I may plug away at some of them.

> Our current web site owners are having some problems getting our MS
> SQL server up and running again but we will be getting MS SQL support
> one way or the other. So you can work/plan for/with a MS SQL set of
> option/solutions.

See above :(

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Aug 17 19:00:08 2005
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 17:00:08 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
In-Reply-To: <004b01c5a383$7bdab060$6401a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru>
Message-ID: <0ILE00F3C5C7HZ@l-daemon>

Hi Shamil:

I have only (mostly) been using a style of disconnected ADO recordsets with
Access since 97-98. I use an Access FE for all sorts of DBs like Oracle/MS
SQL, MySQL* (*though it needs an ODBC connection :-( ) and even MDB (but
mostly just for temp files), singularly or in groups. The process is just so
fast, attaches through any reasonable connection and requires very few BE DB
licenses... clients save a bundle. I think ADO.Net is the same thing but
with an automatic transmission and slick features. It should eliminate a lot
of coding. M$ has finally, fully embraced this concept and I feel that is
where the next versions of Access are going.

This is all my opinion of course and not meant to insight a riot.  

Jim

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Salakhetdinov
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 4:29 PM
To: !DBA-MAIN
Subject: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..

Hi All,

I wanted to ask you - what about the subject?
Anybody uses/interested to use MS Access client applications this way?

Do I miss obvious (RTFM) stuff and such a disconnected mode is already
implemented in MS Access and broadly used by MS Access developers? Yes, I
know ADO recordsets can be used with bound MS Access forms etc. but this
looks like a rather limited feature - am I wrong?

What I mean is cashing data locally into mdbs, only the data needed for the
currently open form(s) etc., processing this data and then updating backend
database(mdb, MSDE, MS SQL, whatever...) - with all this cashing and
updating made mostly automatically by a tiny framework code, based on
ADO.NET...(yes, this local caching of data is not a new subject but nowadays
it can be (re-)implement really scalable way with a way less efforts than
before)

Maybe MS plans to do something like that?

Is that a wheel reinvention or anybody here sees such opportunity like a
really useful feature in their real life projects?

For me it looks like a useful feature because it could help: to get MS
Access back into mainstream development area because it will allow to easily
scale applications with MS Access front-ends...

There are many other ideas but most of them in this "ideas pool" based on
the subject one - if it doesn't make sense for real-life projects then I'd
better stop working on it...

What is your opinion about the subject?
When you expect MS will do something like that in MS Access?

Thank you,
Shamil

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed Aug 17 19:42:56 2005
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 17:42:56 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8689A806@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Shamil,

It looks to me like that is where MS is going with .Net, so it would be
logical to take Access in that direction as well ... If they would only
consider it a development tool instead of a power user toy.  I've
certainly built applications in the past using that concept with ADO and
unbound forms. (Hush, John, I don't want to hear about it!<g>)  I think
we often fall back to the built in stuff because it is quick and easy,
even though it is not necessarily efficient.  MS is moving toward XML as
their datastore of choice for this kind of caching, and it certainly
works and has been fairly easy to implement since at least Access 2000.
I would expect the capability to be expanded in the next version of
Access when it starts to catch up with Word and Excel, but that's just a
SWAG based on working extensively with VB.Net and speculating.  Given
that the next version of Access may not be available for a year or so
and is bound to have problems at first, I think something that could be
used now and with versions earlier than 2003 (which has its own
problems!) is entirely sensible.

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Shamil Salakhetdinov [mailto:shamil at users.mns.ru] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 4:29 PM
To: !DBA-MAIN
Subject: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..


Hi All,

I wanted to ask you - what about the subject?
Anybody uses/interested to use MS Access client applications this way?

Do I miss obvious (RTFM) stuff and such a disconnected mode is already
implemented in MS Access and broadly used by MS Access developers? Yes,
I know ADO recordsets can be used with bound MS Access forms etc. but
this looks like a rather limited feature - am I wrong?

What I mean is cashing data locally into mdbs, only the data needed for
the currently open form(s) etc., processing this data and then updating
backend database(mdb, MSDE, MS SQL, whatever...) - with all this cashing
and updating made mostly automatically by a tiny framework code, based
on ADO.NET...(yes, this local caching of data is not a new subject but
nowadays it can be (re-)implement really scalable way with a way less
efforts than
before)

Maybe MS plans to do something like that?

Is that a wheel reinvention or anybody here sees such opportunity like a
really useful feature in their real life projects?

For me it looks like a useful feature because it could help: to get MS
Access back into mainstream development area because it will allow to
easily scale applications with MS Access front-ends...

There are many other ideas but most of them in this "ideas pool" based
on the subject one - if it doesn't make sense for real-life projects
then I'd better stop working on it...

What is your opinion about the subject?
When you expect MS will do something like that in MS Access?

Thank you,
Shamil


From Bruce.Bruen at railcorp.nsw.gov.au  Wed Aug 17 21:28:33 2005
From: Bruce.Bruen at railcorp.nsw.gov.au (Bruen, Bruce)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 12:28:33 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] copy string to clipboard
Message-ID: <F2BE8EAB3EA585418337B71BCE6F3BF304EC3C@msmet100.rail.nsw.gov.au>

This must! be simple.
 
I have a string variable created by concatenating the values of several
form fields.  So how can I copy the value of this string to the
clipboard?
 
Private Sub Command35_Click()
    Dim refstr As String
    refstr = "RCRef=|" & Me.ucref & "|" & Me.testname & "|" & Me.TestID
& "|"
    Debug.Print refstr
    Stop
    ':-( Runcmd accmdStickTheStringInTheClipboard :-(
End Sub
 
tia 
bruce
 
 
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From carbonnb at sympatico.ca  Wed Aug 17 21:32:29 2005
From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 22:32:29 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] copy string to clipboard
In-Reply-To: <F2BE8EAB3EA585418337B71BCE6F3BF304EC3C@msmet100.rail.nsw.gov.au>
Message-ID: <BAYC1-PASMTP04B89CE011366ACE19DBF4AEB20@cez.ice>

On 18 Aug 2005 at 12:28, Bruen, Bruce wrote:

> This must! be simple.
> 
> I have a string variable created by concatenating the values of
> several form fields.  So how can I copy the value of this string to
> the clipboard?
> 
> Private Sub Command35_Click()
>     Dim refstr As String
>     refstr = "RCRef=|" & Me.ucref & "|" & Me.testname & "|" &
>     Me.TestID
> & "|"
>     Debug.Print refstr
>     Stop
>     ':-( Runcmd accmdStickTheStringInTheClipboard :-(
> End Sub

It's an API call.

Have a look at http://www.mvps.org/access/api/api0049.htm for the 
gory details.

-- 
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"When they put 'unknown' at the end of a quote, that means they 
probably don't know how to spell 'anonymous'." 
~Author Unknown 




From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Wed Aug 17 22:09:55 2005
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 13:09:55 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] copy string to clipboard
In-Reply-To: <4303BAFD.19602.192DD92@carbonnb.sympatico.ca>
References: <F2BE8EAB3EA585418337B71BCE6F3BF304EC3C@msmet100.rail.nsw.gov.au>
Message-ID: <430488A3.30663.1015707@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

On 17 Aug 2005 at 22:32, Bryan Carbonnell wrote:

> On 18 Aug 2005 at 12:28, Bruen, Bruce wrote:
> 
> > This must! be simple.
> > 
> > I have a string variable created by concatenating the values of
> > several form fields.  So how can I copy the value of this string to
> > the clipboard?
> > 
> > Private Sub Command35_Click()
> >     Dim refstr As String
> >     refstr = "RCRef=|" & Me.ucref & "|" & Me.testname & "|" &
> >     Me.TestID
> > & "|"
> >     Debug.Print refstr
> >     Stop
> >     ':-( Runcmd accmdStickTheStringInTheClipboard :-(
> > End Sub
> 
> It's an API call.
> 
> Have a look at http://www.mvps.org/access/api/api0049.htm for the 
> gory details.
> 

I'm trying to dig up some code I have to do this - can't find it at the 
moment. As Brian says, it's fairly gory. It needs  memallocs and deallocs 
plus determining the correct datatype.

As a quick and dirty workaround, you may be able to put the string in a 
control, set focus to the control and use Docmd.RunCommand acCmdCopy




-- 
Stuart




From Bruce.Bruen at railcorp.nsw.gov.au  Wed Aug 17 22:19:58 2005
From: Bruce.Bruen at railcorp.nsw.gov.au (Bruen, Bruce)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 13:19:58 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] copy string to clipboard
Message-ID: <F2BE8EAB3EA585418337B71BCE6F3BF304EC3D@msmet100.rail.nsw.gov.au>

Stuart,

Stop looking.  Tery Krefts code su7ggested by Bryan is just the ticket.

Thanks to all.

bruce 

P.s.  Although I've never needed to do this before, its amazing that its
not a comon function!

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart
McLachlan
Sent: Thursday, 18 August 2005 1:10 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] copy string to clipboard

On 17 Aug 2005 at 22:32, Bryan Carbonnell wrote:

> On 18 Aug 2005 at 12:28, Bruen, Bruce wrote:
> 
> > This must! be simple.
> > 
> > I have a string variable created by concatenating the values of 
> > several form fields.  So how can I copy the value of this string to 
> > the clipboard?
> > 
> > Private Sub Command35_Click()
> >     Dim refstr As String
> >     refstr = "RCRef=|" & Me.ucref & "|" & Me.testname & "|" &
> >     Me.TestID
> > & "|"
> >     Debug.Print refstr
> >     Stop
> >     ':-( Runcmd accmdStickTheStringInTheClipboard :-( End Sub
> 
> It's an API call.
> 
> Have a look at http://www.mvps.org/access/api/api0049.htm for the gory

> details.
> 

I'm trying to dig up some code I have to do this - can't find it at the
moment. As Brian says, it's fairly gory. It needs  memallocs and
deallocs plus determining the correct datatype.

As a quick and dirty workaround, you may be able to put the string in a
control, set focus to the control and use Docmd.RunCommand acCmdCopy




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From jmhecht at earthlink.net  Wed Aug 17 23:53:57 2005
From: jmhecht at earthlink.net (Joe Hecht)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 21:53:57 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] MDE question
Message-ID: <000001c5a3b0$dfc37f30$6401a8c0@laptop1>

If I do an app in Access 2K3 and make an .mde out if it will older versions
of Access be able to use it?
 
I guess the question is what is the effect on backwards compatibility with
mde
 
Joe Hecht
Los Angeles CA
 


From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Aug 18 01:10:11 2005
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 16:10:11 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] MDE question
In-Reply-To: <000001c5a3b0$dfc37f30$6401a8c0@laptop1>
Message-ID: <4304B2E3.16275.1A65F03@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

On 17 Aug 2005 at 21:53, Joe Hecht wrote:

> If I do an app in Access 2K3 and make an .mde out if it will older versions
> of Access be able to use it?
>  

No, and future versions probably won't be able to either - at least that's 
been the case up to now.




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From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Aug 18 01:25:02 2005
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 23:25:02 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] copy string to clipboard
In-Reply-To: <F2BE8EAB3EA585418337B71BCE6F3BF304EC3C@msmet100.rail.nsw.gov.au>
Message-ID: <0ILE00H0HN5QPV@l-daemon>

Hi Bruce:

I have some code that I have been using for years, mostly for debugging
purposes. It just copies a string up into the clip board and it doesn't look
as ugly as the code from Terry Kreft.

The following code resides in a miodule declaration area:

<code>
'Whole bunch of APIs which allow text to be copied to clipboard...
Private Declare Function OpenClipboard Lib "User32" (ByVal hWnd&) As Long
Private Declare Function EmptyClipboard Lib "User32" () As Long
Private Declare Function GetClipboardData Lib "User32" (ByVal wFormat&) As
Long
Private Declare Function SetClipboardData Lib "User32" (ByVal wFormat&, _
        ByVal hMem&) As Long
Private Declare Function CloseClipboard Lib "User32" () As Long
'
Private Declare Function GlobalAlloc Lib "kernel32" (ByVal wFlags&, _
        ByVal dwBytes&) As Long
Private Declare Function GlobalLock Lib "kernel32" (ByVal hMem&) As Long
Private Declare Function GlobalUnlock Lib "kernel32" (ByVal hMem&) As Long
'
Private Declare Function lstrcpy Lib "kernel32" (ByVal lpString1 As Any, _
        ByVal lpString2 As Any) As Long
</code>

And the remainder is place in a module's function area:

<code>
Public Sub ClipPutText(lsText As String)
    ' Stores text on the clipboard

    Dim hMem As Long
    Const GHND = &H42
    
    hMem = GlobalAlloc(GHND, Len(lsText) + 1)
    lstrcpy GlobalLock(hMem), lsText
    If GlobalUnlock(hMem) = 0 Then
        If OpenClipboard(0&) <> 0 Then
            EmptyClipboard
            SetClipboardData 1, hMem
            CloseClipboard
        End If
    End If
    
End Sub
</code>

And it can be called from anywhere; forms, reports or modules like so:

ClipPutText MyString  'Place the string 'MyString into the clipboard


HTH
Jim
 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bruen, Bruce
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 7:29 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] copy string to clipboard

This must! be simple.
 
I have a string variable created by concatenating the values of several
form fields.  So how can I copy the value of this string to the
clipboard?
 
Private Sub Command35_Click()
    Dim refstr As String
    refstr = "RCRef=|" & Me.ucref & "|" & Me.testname & "|" & Me.TestID
& "|"
    Debug.Print refstr
    Stop
    ':-( Runcmd accmdStickTheStringInTheClipboard :-(
End Sub
 
tia 
bruce
 
 
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From shamil at users.mns.ru  Thu Aug 18 04:50:27 2005
From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 13:50:27 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT(?): Big Design Up Front (BDUF) vs. XP any comments,
	ideas, experience?
Message-ID: <002501c5a3da$451f62d0$6401a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru>

Hi All,

I've got this this today from JoelOnSoftware subscription list:

<<<<<<
"As I worked through the screens that would be needed to allow
either party to initiate the process, I realized that Aardvark
would be just as useful, and radically simpler, if the helper
was required to start the whole process. Making this change in
the spec took an hour or two. If we had made this change in code,
it would have added weeks to the schedule. I can't tell you how
strongly I believe in Big Design Up Front, which the proponents
of Extreme Programming consider anathema. I have consistently
saved time and made better products by using BDUF and I'm proud
to use it, no matter what the XP fanatics claim. They're just
wrong on this point and I can't be any clearer than that."

- From my latest article:

  The Project Aardvark Spec
  http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/AardvarkSpec.html
>>>>>
No comments.

It happened that I'm currently reading:

"Microsoft Object Thinking"
by David West
ISBN:0735619654
Microsoft Press ? 2004

and

"Extreme Programming Adventures in C# "
by Ron Jeffries
ISBN:0735619492
Microsoft Press ? 2004

These two books are from Microsoft Press and they have a lot of useful
information on eXterme Programming, Unit Testing and Classical(Behavioral)
vs. currently existing in most implementations "real life" UML-based(RUP)
OOD&P.

When MS Press publishes books on such more computer-science than
used in real life projects subjects then they are very probably "cultivating
the ground" for the soon to become true "dreams". (I remember I watched a
movie "Microsoft, Year 2004"(form MS of course) somewhere in year 1995 or
so - and as I see now their by that time science-fiction is now real-life,
exactly in year 2004-2005.

I must say I impressed with both books (and there are just a few technical
books I liked because most of them are just "chewing" MSDN or other docs
without almost any new ideas).
The more I read them the more I like them and I see a lot of sense in what
is written in them and I see a lot of my own ideas and experience are there
too.  I'm glad my thinking is in the mainstream (of course what they say is
much more elaborated and thought through and based on their own rich
experience).

So my guess/thinking is that XP, Unit Testing and Behavioral (Extreme)
OOD&P are becoming mainstream for real-life development of the projects of
any size - in fact as authors of these books state (based on  their
experience)  that the stuff they are writing about is the "only" agile way
to solve the challenges of nowadays customers and projects requests. And
they are not fanatics I think - they base their writing on deep analysis of
all the previous 50 years experience in software development and not only in
software -  "Microsoft Object Thinking"  is more philosophical than
technical book and it has quotes from Plato (year 400 B.C.) - these quotes
are used to explain how to "attack" complicated/vague projects'
requirements...


What do you think about the subject and related issues?

Do we need Access/VBA Unit Testing added here -
http://opensourcetesting.org/unit_misc.php (Open source tools for software
testing professionals) - it can be done - does it make sense?

Shamil



From shamil at users.mns.ru  Thu Aug 18 05:37:22 2005
From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 14:37:22 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: 17 August 2005: TechWorld: Alert over Acrobat bug
Message-ID: <001c01c5a3e0$d54d9380$6401a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru>

http://www.techworld.com/security/news/index.cfm?RSS&NewsID=4233

<<<
The bug went from disclosure to widespread worm attacks within a week, one
of the fastest-developing security threats so far, security experts said.
>>>

Shamil



From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Thu Aug 18 06:01:10 2005
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 12:01:10 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT: 17 August 2005: TechWorld: Alert over Acrobat bug
Message-ID: <20050818110108.278E92528C6@smtp.nildram.co.uk>

Thanks for the warning Shamil.
--
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http://www.minstersystems.co.uk




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Subject: [AccessD] OT: 17 August 2005: TechWorld: Alert over Acrobat bug
Date: 18/08/05 10:34


http://www.techworld.com/security/news/index.cfm?RSS&NewsID=4233

<<<
The bug went from disclosure to widespread worm attacks within a week, one
of the fastest-developing security threats so far, security experts said.
>>>

Shamil

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From Johncliviger at aol.com  Thu Aug 18 06:39:54 2005
From: Johncliviger at aol.com (Johncliviger at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 07:39:54 EDT
Subject: [AccessD] Access to SQL
Message-ID: <1f9.1014c331.3035cd8a@aol.com>

Hi all
 
I've moved Access XP FE to ADP FE and the tables to SQL 2000 BE. I now  find 
that Select DistinctRow thats in Access XP has no equivalent in SQL  2000. 
What is the equivalent syntax?
 
for example have the following sql string works in Access without a  problem. 
Load it into ADP ...and its a no no.
 
Any suggestions?
 
SELECT DISTINCTROW ApplicantPersonalDetails.*,  OrderDetails.CourseCounter, 
OrderDetails.OrderID, Orders.ClientID,  Orders.OrderDate, 
Orders.InvoiceRequired, ClientPurchaser.ClientCode,  ClientPurchaser.Purchasers, 
ClientPurchaser.FirstName, ClientPurchaser.LastName,  PostBasicCourseDetails.CourseID, 
PostBasicCourseDetails.Date,  PostBasicCourseDetails.Course, 
PostBasicCourseDetails.Level,  PostBasicCourseDetails.Location, PostBasicCourseDetails.Code,  
PostBasicCourseDetails.Length, PostBasicCourseDetails.Places,  
PostBasicCourseDetails.CourseLeader1, PostBasicCourseDetails.CourseLeader2,  
PostBasicCourseDetails.Cost, PostBasicCourseDetails.Selection

FROM          PostBasicCourseDetails INNER  JOIN
(((ClientPurchaser INNER  JOIN
Orders ON ClientPurchaser.ClientID = Orders.ClientID) INNER  JOIN
OrderDetails ON Orders.OrderID = OrderDetails.OrderID) INNER  JOIN
ApplicantPersonalDetails ON OrderDetails.OrderDetailID =  
ApplicantPersonalDetails.OrderDetailID) ON  
PostBasicCourseDetails.CourseCounter = OrderDetails.CourseCounter;
 
Regards
johnc


From shamil at users.mns.ru  Thu Aug 18 06:45:56 2005
From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 15:45:56 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
References: <004b01c5a383$7bdab060$6401a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru>
	<BAY103-DAV16092568B71CAA8F1065C4AEB30@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <002001c5a3ea$66b59c60$6401a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru>

No, William, this is not replication - here is what I mean in short:

http://www.smsconsulting.spb.ru/shamil_s/articles/ddo.htm

Shamil

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "William Hindman" <dejpolsys at hotmail.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 3:47 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..


> Shamil
>
> ..I must be missing something ...that sounds like replication to me.
>
> William
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil at users.mns.ru>
> To: "!DBA-MAIN" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 7:28 PM
> Subject: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
>
>
> > Hi All,
> >
> > I wanted to ask you - what about the subject?
> > Anybody uses/interested to use MS Access client applications this way?
> >
> > Do I miss obvious (RTFM) stuff and such a disconnected mode is already
> > implemented in MS Access and broadly used by MS Access developers? Yes,
I
> > know ADO recordsets can be used with bound MS Access forms etc. but this
> > looks like a rather limited feature - am I wrong?
> >
> > What I mean is cashing data locally into mdbs, only the data needed for
> > the
> > currently open form(s) etc., processing this data and then updating
> > backend
> > database(mdb, MSDE, MS SQL, whatever...) - with all this cashing and
> > updating made mostly automatically by a tiny framework code, based on
> > ADO.NET...(yes, this local caching of data is not a new subject but
> > nowadays
> > it can be (re-)implement really scalable way with a way less efforts
than
> > before)
> >
> > Maybe MS plans to do something like that?
> >
> > Is that a wheel reinvention or anybody here sees such opportunity like a
> > really useful feature in their real life projects?
> >
> > For me it looks like a useful feature because it could help: to get MS
> > Access back into mainstream development area because it will allow to
> > easily
> > scale applications with MS Access front-ends...
> >
> > There are many other ideas but most of them in this "ideas pool" based
on
> > the subject one - if it doesn't make sense for real-life projects then
I'd
> > better stop working on it...
> >
> > What is your opinion about the subject?
> > When you expect MS will do something like that in MS Access?
> >
> > Thank you,
> > Shamil
> >
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From paul.hartland at isharp.co.uk  Thu Aug 18 06:49:41 2005
From: paul.hartland at isharp.co.uk (Paul Hartland (ISHARP))
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 12:49:41 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Access to SQL
In-Reply-To: <1f9.1014c331.3035cd8a@aol.com>
Message-ID: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAC4AAAAAAAAAclrM129q6km1GlSfRwF8CgEAFKerAD79REu7GTojEo2iDgAAAAddkgAAEAAAAIYwYqTgobBBplR8Jl8FGO0BAAAAAA==@isharp.co.uk>

Can't quite remember off hand but I think if you change DISTINCTROW to just
DISTINCT that may work 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Johncliviger at aol.com
Sent: 18 August 2005 12:40
To: accessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Access to SQL

Hi all
 
I've moved Access XP FE to ADP FE and the tables to SQL 2000 BE. I now  find
that Select DistinctRow thats in Access XP has no equivalent in SQL  2000. 
What is the equivalent syntax?
 
for example have the following sql string works in Access without a
problem. 
Load it into ADP ...and its a no no.
 
Any suggestions?
 
SELECT DISTINCTROW ApplicantPersonalDetails.*,  OrderDetails.CourseCounter,
OrderDetails.OrderID, Orders.ClientID,  Orders.OrderDate,
Orders.InvoiceRequired, ClientPurchaser.ClientCode,
ClientPurchaser.Purchasers, ClientPurchaser.FirstName,
ClientPurchaser.LastName,  PostBasicCourseDetails.CourseID,
PostBasicCourseDetails.Date,  PostBasicCourseDetails.Course,
PostBasicCourseDetails.Level,  PostBasicCourseDetails.Location,
PostBasicCourseDetails.Code, PostBasicCourseDetails.Length,
PostBasicCourseDetails.Places, PostBasicCourseDetails.CourseLeader1,
PostBasicCourseDetails.CourseLeader2,
PostBasicCourseDetails.Cost, PostBasicCourseDetails.Selection

FROM          PostBasicCourseDetails INNER  JOIN
(((ClientPurchaser INNER  JOIN
Orders ON ClientPurchaser.ClientID = Orders.ClientID) INNER  JOIN
OrderDetails ON Orders.OrderID = OrderDetails.OrderID) INNER  JOIN
ApplicantPersonalDetails ON OrderDetails.OrderDetailID =
ApplicantPersonalDetails.OrderDetailID) ON
PostBasicCourseDetails.CourseCounter = OrderDetails.CourseCounter;
 
Regards
johnc
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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Thu Aug 18 07:01:55 2005
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 07:01:55 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT(?): Big Design Up Front (BDUF) vs. XP any comments,
	ideas, experience?
In-Reply-To: <2394097.1124357866442.JavaMail.root@sniper21>
Message-ID: <000301c5a3ec$a2806520$0300a8c0@danwaters>

I agree wholeheartedly with Joel.  I developed a spec where instead of the
Quality Dept. initiating a record, it was initiated by the Purchasing Dept.
because they were the first group to become aware of the issue.  I wouldn't
have known that without investigating and understanding up front what the
whole process was.  The Purchasing Dept. agreed pretty quickly that they
could do this, particularly because having a software application to use
instead of paper forms made it easy.

The Quality Dept. was initiating because everyone assumed that it was a
Quality process.  That was departmental thinking - it's whole company
process thinking that really works.

Dan Waters


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
Salakhetdinov
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 4:50 AM
To: !DBA-MAIN
Subject: [AccessD] OT(?): Big Design Up Front (BDUF) vs. XP any
comments,ideas, experience?

Hi All,

I've got this this today from JoelOnSoftware subscription list:

<<<<<<
"As I worked through the screens that would be needed to allow
either party to initiate the process, I realized that Aardvark
would be just as useful, and radically simpler, if the helper
was required to start the whole process. Making this change in
the spec took an hour or two. If we had made this change in code,
it would have added weeks to the schedule. I can't tell you how
strongly I believe in Big Design Up Front, which the proponents
of Extreme Programming consider anathema. I have consistently
saved time and made better products by using BDUF and I'm proud
to use it, no matter what the XP fanatics claim. They're just
wrong on this point and I can't be any clearer than that."

- From my latest article:

  The Project Aardvark Spec
  http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/AardvarkSpec.html
>>>>>
No comments.

It happened that I'm currently reading:

"Microsoft Object Thinking"
by David West
ISBN:0735619654
Microsoft Press C 2004

and

"Extreme Programming Adventures in C# "
by Ron Jeffries
ISBN:0735619492
Microsoft Press C 2004

These two books are from Microsoft Press and they have a lot of useful
information on eXterme Programming, Unit Testing and Classical(Behavioral)
vs. currently existing in most implementations "real life" UML-based(RUP)
OOD&P.

When MS Press publishes books on such more computer-science than
used in real life projects subjects then they are very probably "cultivating
the ground" for the soon to become true "dreams". (I remember I watched a
movie "Microsoft, Year 2004"(form MS of course) somewhere in year 1995 or
so - and as I see now their by that time science-fiction is now real-life,
exactly in year 2004-2005.

I must say I impressed with both books (and there are just a few technical
books I liked because most of them are just "chewing" MSDN or other docs
without almost any new ideas).
The more I read them the more I like them and I see a lot of sense in what
is written in them and I see a lot of my own ideas and experience are there
too.  I'm glad my thinking is in the mainstream (of course what they say is
much more elaborated and thought through and based on their own rich
experience).

So my guess/thinking is that XP, Unit Testing and Behavioral (Extreme)
OOD&P are becoming mainstream for real-life development of the projects of
any size - in fact as authors of these books state (based on  their
experience)  that the stuff they are writing about is the "only" agile way
to solve the challenges of nowadays customers and projects requests. And
they are not fanatics I think - they base their writing on deep analysis of
all the previous 50 years experience in software development and not only in
software -  "Microsoft Object Thinking"  is more philosophical than
technical book and it has quotes from Plato (year 400 B.C.) - these quotes
are used to explain how to "attack" complicated/vague projects'
requirements...


What do you think about the subject and related issues?

Do we need Access/VBA Unit Testing added here -
http://opensourcetesting.org/unit_misc.php (Open source tools for software
testing professionals) - it can be done - does it make sense?

Shamil

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From dejpolsys at hotmail.com  Thu Aug 18 07:10:14 2005
From: dejpolsys at hotmail.com (William Hindman)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 08:10:14 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
References: <004b01c5a383$7bdab060$6401a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru><BAY103-DAV16092568B71CAA8F1065C4AEB30@phx.gbl>
	<002001c5a3ea$66b59c60$6401a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru>
Message-ID: <BAY103-DAV183C1F6BA7D1C1B03A41FAAEB20@phx.gbl>

..thanks Shamil ...you work in another world ...and I don't mean Russia :)

..SQL Server is about as far afield as I ever get ...and unbound forms in 
Access, with few exceptions, are a curse upon mankind ...imnsho :)

William

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil at users.mns.ru>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 7:45 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..


> No, William, this is not replication - here is what I mean in short:
>
> http://www.smsconsulting.spb.ru/shamil_s/articles/ddo.htm
>
> Shamil
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "William Hindman" <dejpolsys at hotmail.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 3:47 AM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
>
>
>> Shamil
>>
>> ..I must be missing something ...that sounds like replication to me.
>>
>> William
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil at users.mns.ru>
>> To: "!DBA-MAIN" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 7:28 PM
>> Subject: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
>>
>>
>> > Hi All,
>> >
>> > I wanted to ask you - what about the subject?
>> > Anybody uses/interested to use MS Access client applications this way?
>> >
>> > Do I miss obvious (RTFM) stuff and such a disconnected mode is already
>> > implemented in MS Access and broadly used by MS Access developers? Yes,
> I
>> > know ADO recordsets can be used with bound MS Access forms etc. but 
>> > this
>> > looks like a rather limited feature - am I wrong?
>> >
>> > What I mean is cashing data locally into mdbs, only the data needed for
>> > the
>> > currently open form(s) etc., processing this data and then updating
>> > backend
>> > database(mdb, MSDE, MS SQL, whatever...) - with all this cashing and
>> > updating made mostly automatically by a tiny framework code, based on
>> > ADO.NET...(yes, this local caching of data is not a new subject but
>> > nowadays
>> > it can be (re-)implement really scalable way with a way less efforts
> than
>> > before)
>> >
>> > Maybe MS plans to do something like that?
>> >
>> > Is that a wheel reinvention or anybody here sees such opportunity like 
>> > a
>> > really useful feature in their real life projects?
>> >
>> > For me it looks like a useful feature because it could help: to get MS
>> > Access back into mainstream development area because it will allow to
>> > easily
>> > scale applications with MS Access front-ends...
>> >
>> > There are many other ideas but most of them in this "ideas pool" based
> on
>> > the subject one - if it doesn't make sense for real-life projects then
> I'd
>> > better stop working on it...
>> >
>> > What is your opinion about the subject?
>> > When you expect MS will do something like that in MS Access?
>> >
>> > Thank you,
>> > Shamil
>> >
>> > -- 
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>> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>> >
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Aug 18 07:44:01 2005
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 08:44:01 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] MDE question
In-Reply-To: <000001c5a3b0$dfc37f30$6401a8c0@laptop1>
Message-ID: <00fd01c5a3f2$82c37d70$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

Joe,

Compatibility between versions depends on two factors, the container version
used for the MDE and use of features specific to that version.  Let's
discuss this in two parts:

CONTAINER:  If your users use A97, A2K, AXP and A2003, it should be possible
to build the mde in and A97 container and all of these versions should be
able to open the thing and use it.  IIRC, there is a "great divide" between
A97 and anything after where if the container is opened in any version AFTER
A97 the user will be able to open (and use it) but not make changes to it,
i.e. it is opened read only.  For this reason alone it is convenient if you
can assure that all clients will use A2K or later.

If you use A2K and later, then it becomes a "simple" rule: Access can only
open the version it creates or earlier.  For example, A2K can only open A2K
containers, it cannot open AXP containers.  If you create an MDE using a
native AXP container then A2K users will get a "bad database format" error
message if they try to open it.  If you use an A2K container, then A2K and
all versions after will be able to open the container, and also to read /
write to it.

RULE:  Use only A2K containers to build databases that need to be
read/writeable by Access versions A2K and above.

VERSION SPECIFIC FEATURES:  Microsoft takes great care to try and ensure
backwards compatibility (No, I don't work for them).  For that reason,
virtually any feature used in an A97 database can be used in A2K or above.
However, Each version can and does add features.  Obviously in general these
features cannot be used by previous versions.  A good example of this is
raising events.  A97 could SINK events in classes which were raised by
objects passed in to the class.  However A97 cannot RAISE events of its own.
A2K and above can raise events.  Thus if your code raises events, that will
not be useable in A97.

RULE:  Discover whether you are using version specific capabilities and
either not use these capabilities or be prepared to limit your distribution
to versions of Access at least the version you are developing in or later.

I use AXP and A2K.  I don't know of any capabilities in AXP that are not
useable in A2K.  I think once you get out to A2003 you start to run into
things like XML import/export which is just not available in AXP and
previous versions.  Obviously if you were to develop in A2003 and you use
these features, even if you use an A2K container neither A2K nor AXP will
function correctly.

Hopefully this discussion has given you a better idea of how to approach
compatibility issues.  AFAIK, using an MDE in and of itself does not place
any restrictions on which version of Access can use the database.  The
container type and Version Specific Functionality will be the sticking
points.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Joe Hecht
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 12:54 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] MDE question


If I do an app in Access 2K3 and make an .mde out if it will older versions
of Access be able to use it?
 
I guess the question is what is the effect on backwards compatibility with
mde
 
Joe Hecht
Los Angeles CA
 
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Aug 18 08:11:24 2005
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 23:11:24 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] MDE question
In-Reply-To: <00fd01c5a3f2$82c37d70$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>
References: <000001c5a3b0$dfc37f30$6401a8c0@laptop1>
Message-ID: <4305159C.15609.389644@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

On 18 Aug 2005 at 8:44, John W. Colby wrote:

 
> CONTAINER:  If your users use A97, A2K, AXP and A2003, it should be possible
> to build the mde in and A97 container and all of these versions should be
> able to open the thing and use it. 

No!  Definitely not. A2K/XP can't open an A97 MDE.  If you try, will be 
asked whether you want to open or convert it, but which ever option you 
choose, you will then get a msgbox saying "You can't convert or enable an 
MDE file."  You can link to it or import the tables and queries from it but 
you can't open or run it.

I'm running into this frequently at present.  I'm upgrading all the inhouse 
applications for a group of companies.  Many of these were created by 
dabblers and they are a real mess.  Unfortunately some of them are only 
available as MDEs and they are totally unconvertible.  Best I can do is 
extract the data and recreate the functionality in a new FE.




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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Aug 18 08:16:03 2005
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 09:16:03 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] MDE question
In-Reply-To: <4305159C.15609.389644@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <010601c5a3f6$fede9710$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

Ahh.. OK, I did not know that.  That is not true for later versions correct?
I.e. AXP does not even attempt to "convert" an A2K app to AXP so this isn't
an issue, correct?

As for "having to start from scratch" on those amateur apps, believe me that
is a blessing!

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 9:11 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MDE question


On 18 Aug 2005 at 8:44, John W. Colby wrote:

 
> CONTAINER:  If your users use A97, A2K, AXP and A2003, it should be 
> possible to build the mde in and A97 container and all of these 
> versions should be able to open the thing and use it.

No!  Definitely not. A2K/XP can't open an A97 MDE.  If you try, will be 
asked whether you want to open or convert it, but which ever option you 
choose, you will then get a msgbox saying "You can't convert or enable an 
MDE file."  You can link to it or import the tables and queries from it but 
you can't open or run it.

I'm running into this frequently at present.  I'm upgrading all the inhouse 
applications for a group of companies.  Many of these were created by 
dabblers and they are a real mess.  Unfortunately some of them are only 
available as MDEs and they are totally unconvertible.  Best I can do is 
extract the data and recreate the functionality in a new FE.




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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Aug 18 08:19:31 2005
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 23:19:31 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] MDE question
In-Reply-To: <00fd01c5a3f2$82c37d70$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>
References: <000001c5a3b0$dfc37f30$6401a8c0@laptop1>
Message-ID: <43051783.7751.400354@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

On 18 Aug 2005 at 8:44, John W. Colby wrote:

> I use AXP and A2K.  I don't know of any capabilities in AXP that are not
> useable in A2K.  

PivotTable and PivotChart views
Binding of reports, listboxes and combo boxes to ADO recordsets
Very long SQL statements as RecordSource or RowSource (over 2K characters)

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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Aug 18 08:27:21 2005
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 23:27:21 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] MDE question
In-Reply-To: <010601c5a3f6$fede9710$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>
References: <4305159C.15609.389644@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <43051959.31312.473138@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

On 18 Aug 2005 at 9:16, John W. Colby wrote:

> Ahh.. OK, I did not know that.  That is not true for later versions correct?
> I.e. AXP does not even attempt to "convert" an A2K app to AXP so this isn't
> an issue, correct?
> 

Correct.  AXP has no dificulty opening an A2K MDE.

> As for "having to start from scratch" on those amateur apps, believe me that
> is a blessing!
> 

Don't I know it.  I' was just handed a new one yesterday to do some work 
on:
Natural Keys, Fieldnames "Date" and 'Name" as well as included spaces, 
tables not normalised, macros galore etc, etc. And this one was apparently 
built for a government entity by an AusAID consultant!


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From D.Dick at uws.edu.au  Thu Aug 18 07:45:48 2005
From: D.Dick at uws.edu.au (Darren Dick)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 22:45:48 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] A2000/3:Connecting to SQL Server
Message-ID: <2FDE83AF1A69C84796CBD13788DDA88326D81B@BONHAM.AD.UWS.EDU.AU>

Hello all 

New Job - Have to Learn SQL Server ASAP and MS Reporting Services.

 (Anyone know any good resources on MS Reporting Services?)

Also I would like someone to hold my hand getting an ACCESS front end to talk with a SQL Server Backend.

never done it - never had to - and I have no clue on how to do it. :-))

Anyone wanna hold my hand  (No sweaty palms - I promise) or failing that some simple

(and it really does have to be simple for me) tutorials?

Many thanks

Darren

 



From Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org  Thu Aug 18 08:55:30 2005
From: Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 09:55:30 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] copy string to clipboard
Message-ID: <08F823FD83787D4BA0B99CA580AD3C74016C3CCA@TTNEXCHCL2.hshhp.com>

If you have VB and don't mind shipping a dll with your app it's much simpler.

<snip>
Clipboard.SetText "Jim D"
Me.Text1.Text = Clipboard.GetText
</snip>

Jim DeMarco

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 2:25 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] copy string to clipboard


Hi Bruce:

I have some code that I have been using for years, mostly for debugging
purposes. It just copies a string up into the clip board and it doesn't look
as ugly as the code from Terry Kreft.

The following code resides in a miodule declaration area:

<code>
'Whole bunch of APIs which allow text to be copied to clipboard...
Private Declare Function OpenClipboard Lib "User32" (ByVal hWnd&) As Long
Private Declare Function EmptyClipboard Lib "User32" () As Long
Private Declare Function GetClipboardData Lib "User32" (ByVal wFormat&) As
Long
Private Declare Function SetClipboardData Lib "User32" (ByVal wFormat&, _
        ByVal hMem&) As Long
Private Declare Function CloseClipboard Lib "User32" () As Long
'
Private Declare Function GlobalAlloc Lib "kernel32" (ByVal wFlags&, _
        ByVal dwBytes&) As Long
Private Declare Function GlobalLock Lib "kernel32" (ByVal hMem&) As Long
Private Declare Function GlobalUnlock Lib "kernel32" (ByVal hMem&) As Long
'
Private Declare Function lstrcpy Lib "kernel32" (ByVal lpString1 As Any, _
        ByVal lpString2 As Any) As Long
</code>

And the remainder is place in a module's function area:

<code>
Public Sub ClipPutText(lsText As String)
    ' Stores text on the clipboard

    Dim hMem As Long
    Const GHND = &H42
    
    hMem = GlobalAlloc(GHND, Len(lsText) + 1)
    lstrcpy GlobalLock(hMem), lsText
    If GlobalUnlock(hMem) = 0 Then
        If OpenClipboard(0&) <> 0 Then
            EmptyClipboard
            SetClipboardData 1, hMem
            CloseClipboard
        End If
    End If
    
End Sub
</code>

And it can be called from anywhere; forms, reports or modules like so:

ClipPutText MyString  'Place the string 'MyString into the clipboard


HTH
Jim
 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bruen, Bruce
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 7:29 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] copy string to clipboard

This must! be simple.
 
I have a string variable created by concatenating the values of several
form fields.  So how can I copy the value of this string to the
clipboard?
 
Private Sub Command35_Click()
    Dim refstr As String
    refstr = "RCRef=|" & Me.ucref & "|" & Me.testname & "|" & Me.TestID
& "|"
    Debug.Print refstr
    Stop
    ':-( Runcmd accmdStickTheStringInTheClipboard :-(
End Sub
 
tia 
bruce
 
 
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Aug 18 09:00:55 2005
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 10:00:55 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] A2000/3:Connecting to SQL Server
In-Reply-To: <2FDE83AF1A69C84796CBD13788DDA88326D81B@BONHAM.AD.UWS.EDU.AU>
Message-ID: <010701c5a3fd$40a7f690$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

Darren,

If the BE is in Access and needs to be upgraded to SQL Server, try the
upgrade wizard.  I have run this on some fairly major Access Bes and it
works pretty well.  The only issue I had was dates which have different
ranges between Access and SQL.  


The idea is to get the BE upgrading without any issues (data all moves
without errors), then put the FE back in the BE and run it one more time.
The wizard will place the data in SQL Server and create ODBC connections
between the FE (no data anymore) and SQL Server.  The ODBC connections look
for all the world like normal links and at that point your FE should operate
normally.  At least the FE will work now.  You can then start doing other
things to make it faster, more robust etc.

That's the "nutshell" version of the process.

John W. Colby
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Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 8:46 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving; Database Advisors
Subject: [AccessD] A2000/3:Connecting to SQL Server


Hello all 

New Job - Have to Learn SQL Server ASAP and MS Reporting Services.

 (Anyone know any good resources on MS Reporting Services?)

Also I would like someone to hold my hand getting an ACCESS front end to
talk with a SQL Server Backend.

never done it - never had to - and I have no clue on how to do it. :-))

Anyone wanna hold my hand  (No sweaty palms - I promise) or failing that
some simple

(and it really does have to be simple for me) tutorials?

Many thanks

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From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com  Thu Aug 18 09:53:32 2005
From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 10:53:32 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] copy string to clipboard
Message-ID: <1D7828CDB8350747AFE9D69E0E90DA1F1484BAA4@xlivmbx21.aig.com>

Which is simpler

ClipPutText MyString 

Or 

Clipboard.SetText "Jim D"

Answer: they are both real simple.  But In the first case all you need is
the code for the ClipPutText routine stashed away in a module, which you can
then treat as a black box, and in the second case you have to distribute a
DLL and ensure that it gets registered properly (assuming the user has
privileges to register DLLs). I know which way I would go! :-)

Lambert

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim DeMarco
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 9:56 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] copy string to clipboard


If you have VB and don't mind shipping a dll with your app it's much
simpler.

<snip>
Clipboard.SetText "Jim D"
Me.Text1.Text = Clipboard.GetText
</snip>

Jim DeMarco

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 2:25 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] copy string to clipboard


Hi Bruce:

I have some code that I have been using for years, mostly for debugging
purposes. It just copies a string up into the clip board and it doesn't look
as ugly as the code from Terry Kreft.

The following code resides in a miodule declaration area:

<code>
'Whole bunch of APIs which allow text to be copied to clipboard... Private
Declare Function OpenClipboard Lib "User32" (ByVal hWnd&) As Long Private
Declare Function EmptyClipboard Lib "User32" () As Long Private Declare
Function GetClipboardData Lib "User32" (ByVal wFormat&) As Long Private
Declare Function SetClipboardData Lib "User32" (ByVal wFormat&, _
        ByVal hMem&) As Long
Private Declare Function CloseClipboard Lib "User32" () As Long ' Private
Declare Function GlobalAlloc Lib "kernel32" (ByVal wFlags&, _
        ByVal dwBytes&) As Long
Private Declare Function GlobalLock Lib "kernel32" (ByVal hMem&) As Long
Private Declare Function GlobalUnlock Lib "kernel32" (ByVal hMem&) As Long '
Private Declare Function lstrcpy Lib "kernel32" (ByVal lpString1 As Any, _
        ByVal lpString2 As Any) As Long
</code>

And the remainder is place in a module's function area:

<code>
Public Sub ClipPutText(lsText As String)
    ' Stores text on the clipboard

    Dim hMem As Long
    Const GHND = &H42
    
    hMem = GlobalAlloc(GHND, Len(lsText) + 1)
    lstrcpy GlobalLock(hMem), lsText
    If GlobalUnlock(hMem) = 0 Then
        If OpenClipboard(0&) <> 0 Then
            EmptyClipboard
            SetClipboardData 1, hMem
            CloseClipboard
        End If
    End If
    
End Sub
</code>

And it can be called from anywhere; forms, reports or modules like so:

ClipPutText MyString  'Place the string 'MyString into the clipboard


HTH
Jim
 
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Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 7:29 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] copy string to clipboard

This must! be simple.
 
I have a string variable created by concatenating the values of several form
fields.  So how can I copy the value of this string to the clipboard?
 
Private Sub Command35_Click()
    Dim refstr As String
    refstr = "RCRef=|" & Me.ucref & "|" & Me.testname & "|" & Me.TestID &
"|"
    Debug.Print refstr
    Stop
    ':-( Runcmd accmdStickTheStringInTheClipboard :-(
End Sub
 
tia 
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Aug 18 10:00:26 2005
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 11:00:26 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] copy string to clipboard
In-Reply-To: <1D7828CDB8350747AFE9D69E0E90DA1F1484BAA4@xlivmbx21.aig.com>
Message-ID: <010e01c5a405$90f58b50$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

Where is the matching ClipGetText?

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 10:54 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] copy string to clipboard


Which is simpler

ClipPutText MyString 

Or 

Clipboard.SetText "Jim D"

Answer: they are both real simple.  But In the first case all you need is
the code for the ClipPutText routine stashed away in a module, which you can
then treat as a black box, and in the second case you have to distribute a
DLL and ensure that it gets registered properly (assuming the user has
privileges to register DLLs). I know which way I would go! :-)

Lambert

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim DeMarco
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 9:56 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] copy string to clipboard


If you have VB and don't mind shipping a dll with your app it's much
simpler.

<snip>
Clipboard.SetText "Jim D"
Me.Text1.Text = Clipboard.GetText
</snip>

Jim DeMarco

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 2:25 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] copy string to clipboard


Hi Bruce:

I have some code that I have been using for years, mostly for debugging
purposes. It just copies a string up into the clip board and it doesn't look
as ugly as the code from Terry Kreft.

The following code resides in a miodule declaration area:

<code>
'Whole bunch of APIs which allow text to be copied to clipboard... Private
Declare Function OpenClipboard Lib "User32" (ByVal hWnd&) As Long Private
Declare Function EmptyClipboard Lib "User32" () As Long Private Declare
Function GetClipboardData Lib "User32" (ByVal wFormat&) As Long Private
Declare Function SetClipboardData Lib "User32" (ByVal wFormat&, _
        ByVal hMem&) As Long
Private Declare Function CloseClipboard Lib "User32" () As Long ' Private
Declare Function GlobalAlloc Lib "kernel32" (ByVal wFlags&, _
        ByVal dwBytes&) As Long
Private Declare Function GlobalLock Lib "kernel32" (ByVal hMem&) As Long
Private Declare Function GlobalUnlock Lib "kernel32" (ByVal hMem&) As Long '
Private Declare Function lstrcpy Lib "kernel32" (ByVal lpString1 As Any, _
        ByVal lpString2 As Any) As Long
</code>

And the remainder is place in a module's function area:

<code>
Public Sub ClipPutText(lsText As String)
    ' Stores text on the clipboard

    Dim hMem As Long
    Const GHND = &H42
    
    hMem = GlobalAlloc(GHND, Len(lsText) + 1)
    lstrcpy GlobalLock(hMem), lsText
    If GlobalUnlock(hMem) = 0 Then
        If OpenClipboard(0&) <> 0 Then
            EmptyClipboard
            SetClipboardData 1, hMem
            CloseClipboard
        End If
    End If
    
End Sub
</code>

And it can be called from anywhere; forms, reports or modules like so:

ClipPutText MyString  'Place the string 'MyString into the clipboard


HTH
Jim
 
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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bruen, Bruce
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 7:29 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] copy string to clipboard

This must! be simple.
 
I have a string variable created by concatenating the values of several form
fields.  So how can I copy the value of this string to the clipboard?
 
Private Sub Command35_Click()
    Dim refstr As String
    refstr = "RCRef=|" & Me.ucref & "|" & Me.testname & "|" & Me.TestID &
"|"
    Debug.Print refstr
    Stop
    ':-( Runcmd accmdStickTheStringInTheClipboard :-(
End Sub
 
tia 
bruce
 
 
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Thu Aug 18 10:10:32 2005
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (DWUTKA at marlow.com)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 10:10:32 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] MDE question
Message-ID: <123701F54509D9119A4F00D0B747349016DD9E@main2.marlow.com>

I was going to post about that.  From what I understand, the big change was
97 to 2000.  2000 and up has the ability of using the '2000' format, so you
should be able to make a 2000 format mde that could be used in 2000, XP and
2003.  But I don't have the later versions to try that on.

Drew

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From: Stuart McLachlan [mailto:stuart at lexacorp.com.pg]
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 8:27 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MDE question


On 18 Aug 2005 at 9:16, John W. Colby wrote:

> Ahh.. OK, I did not know that.  That is not true for later versions
correct?
> I.e. AXP does not even attempt to "convert" an A2K app to AXP so this
isn't
> an issue, correct?
> 

Correct.  AXP has no dificulty opening an A2K MDE.

> As for "having to start from scratch" on those amateur apps, believe me
that
> is a blessing!
> 

Don't I know it.  I' was just handed a new one yesterday to do some work 
on:
Natural Keys, Fieldnames "Date" and 'Name" as well as included spaces, 
tables not normalised, macros galore etc, etc. And this one was apparently 
built for a government entity by an AusAID consultant!


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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu Aug 18 10:25:09 2005
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 08:25:09 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] MDE question
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8689A810@infoserver01.infostat.local>

The real difference is the VBA version behind Access.  Access 97 was
VBA5, which used a different IDE and was non-standard to the rest of
Office 97/VB5.  Access 2000 - 2003 is built on VBA6 and shares the
standard VBA6 IDE.  Even in 2003, the 2000 file format is the default.
There is a difference in the structures (i.e., 2002 and 2003 have an
additional system table that doesn't exist in 2000) but each version
includes backward (not forward) compatibility.

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com] 
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 8:11 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MDE question


I was going to post about that.  From what I understand, the big change
was 97 to 2000.  2000 and up has the ability of using the '2000' format,
so you should be able to make a 2000 format mde that could be used in
2000, XP and 2003.  But I don't have the later versions to try that on.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Stuart McLachlan [mailto:stuart at lexacorp.com.pg]
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 8:27 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MDE question


On 18 Aug 2005 at 9:16, John W. Colby wrote:

> Ahh.. OK, I did not know that.  That is not true for later versions
correct?
> I.e. AXP does not even attempt to "convert" an A2K app to AXP so this
isn't
> an issue, correct?
> 

Correct.  AXP has no dificulty opening an A2K MDE.

> As for "having to start from scratch" on those amateur apps, believe 
> me
that
> is a blessing!
> 

Don't I know it.  I' was just handed a new one yesterday to do some work

on:
Natural Keys, Fieldnames "Date" and 'Name" as well as included spaces, 
tables not normalised, macros galore etc, etc. And this one was
apparently 
built for a government entity by an AusAID consultant!


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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu Aug 18 10:27:14 2005
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 08:27:14 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Access to SQL
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86873BC8@infoserver01.infostat.local>

There is no DISTINCTROW keyword in SQL because you don't need it.  Just
drop that from your SQL statement and check the results.

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Johncliviger at aol.com [mailto:Johncliviger at aol.com] 
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 4:40 AM
To: accessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Access to SQL


Hi all
 
I've moved Access XP FE to ADP FE and the tables to SQL 2000 BE. I now
find 
that Select DistinctRow thats in Access XP has no equivalent in SQL
2000. 
What is the equivalent syntax?
 
for example have the following sql string works in Access without a
problem. 
Load it into ADP ...and its a no no.
 
Any suggestions?
 
SELECT DISTINCTROW ApplicantPersonalDetails.*,
OrderDetails.CourseCounter, 
OrderDetails.OrderID, Orders.ClientID,  Orders.OrderDate, 
Orders.InvoiceRequired, ClientPurchaser.ClientCode,
ClientPurchaser.Purchasers, 
ClientPurchaser.FirstName, ClientPurchaser.LastName,
PostBasicCourseDetails.CourseID, 
PostBasicCourseDetails.Date,  PostBasicCourseDetails.Course, 
PostBasicCourseDetails.Level,  PostBasicCourseDetails.Location,
PostBasicCourseDetails.Code,  
PostBasicCourseDetails.Length, PostBasicCourseDetails.Places,  
PostBasicCourseDetails.CourseLeader1,
PostBasicCourseDetails.CourseLeader2,  
PostBasicCourseDetails.Cost, PostBasicCourseDetails.Selection

FROM          PostBasicCourseDetails INNER  JOIN
(((ClientPurchaser INNER  JOIN
Orders ON ClientPurchaser.ClientID = Orders.ClientID) INNER  JOIN
OrderDetails ON Orders.OrderID = OrderDetails.OrderID) INNER  JOIN
ApplicantPersonalDetails ON OrderDetails.OrderDetailID =  
ApplicantPersonalDetails.OrderDetailID) ON  
PostBasicCourseDetails.CourseCounter = OrderDetails.CourseCounter;
 
Regards
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Aug 18 10:32:27 2005
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 11:32:27 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Running an app from a service
Message-ID: <011101c5a40a$0d5a3110$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

I have created a service using VB.Net.  The service can be registered, once
registered I can start it etc.  It runs, with a timer tick writing a log to
application.log so I can see that the timer tick is happening.  Once I got
that working I went looking for how to run an external application from the
service.  The code I found looks like:

        Dim p As System.Diagnostics.Process
        p = System.Diagnostics.Process.Start("notepad.exe", "sample.txt")
        p.WaitForExit()

A couple of things.  Notepad is running, it can bee seen as a process in
Task Manager, but it is not visible, and it has not created sample.txt
AFAICT.  I found other code (in C# unfortunately) that looks something like:

        Dim p As System.Diagnostics.Process
        Dim psi As System.Diagnostics.ProcessStartInfo
        psi = System.Diagnostics.ProcessStartInfo
        psi.FileName = "notepad.exe"
        psi.Arguments = "sample.txt"
        psi.WorkingDirectory = "x:\Luminex"
        psi.WindowStyle = System.Diagnostics.ProcessWindowStyle.Maximized
        p = System.Diagnostics.Process.Start(psi)
        p.WaitForExit()

PSI appears to be a structure for loading properties that P will use.  

Even when done this way, the notepad is not visible.  Furthermore, in either
case the code does not wait... Or maybe the timer spawns a thread and will
fire again spawning another thread.  In other words, next timer tick I get
another instance of Notepad.  However... If I place a line of code that
writes to the log file before and after the call to the sub that opens
notebook, the line before the call to open the notepad does log, the line
after does not log.

So, I do not understand all that I know about this stuff.  If anyone has any
ideas how to make the process visible I would appreciate it.  I also do need
the code not run again until the app shuts down.  I think I can just shut
off the timer so I can handle it that way if the timer will fire again even
if the p.WaitFor() is in place.

Any comments?  Has anyone done this?

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu Aug 18 10:35:18 2005
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 08:35:18 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86873BCC@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Oooohhh, I think I'm in love!  <VBG>

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Shamil Salakhetdinov [mailto:shamil at users.mns.ru] 
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 4:46 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..


No, William, this is not replication - here is what I mean in short:

http://www.smsconsulting.spb.ru/shamil_s/articles/ddo.htm

Shamil

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From: "William Hindman" <dejpolsys at hotmail.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 3:47 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..


> Shamil
>
> ..I must be missing something ...that sounds like replication to me.
>
> William
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil at users.mns.ru>
> To: "!DBA-MAIN" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 7:28 PM
> Subject: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
>
>
> > Hi All,
> >
> > I wanted to ask you - what about the subject?
> > Anybody uses/interested to use MS Access client applications this 
> > way?
> >
> > Do I miss obvious (RTFM) stuff and such a disconnected mode is 
> > already implemented in MS Access and broadly used by MS Access 
> > developers? Yes,
I
> > know ADO recordsets can be used with bound MS Access forms etc. but 
> > this looks like a rather limited feature - am I wrong?
> >
> > What I mean is cashing data locally into mdbs, only the data needed 
> > for the currently open form(s) etc., processing this data and then 
> > updating backend
> > database(mdb, MSDE, MS SQL, whatever...) - with all this cashing and
> > updating made mostly automatically by a tiny framework code, based
on
> > ADO.NET...(yes, this local caching of data is not a new subject but
> > nowadays
> > it can be (re-)implement really scalable way with a way less efforts
than
> > before)
> >
> > Maybe MS plans to do something like that?
> >
> > Is that a wheel reinvention or anybody here sees such opportunity 
> > like a really useful feature in their real life projects?
> >
> > For me it looks like a useful feature because it could help: to get 
> > MS Access back into mainstream development area because it will 
> > allow to easily scale applications with MS Access front-ends...
> >
> > There are many other ideas but most of them in this "ideas pool" 
> > based
on
> > the subject one - if it doesn't make sense for real-life projects 
> > then
I'd
> > better stop working on it...
> >
> > What is your opinion about the subject?
> > When you expect MS will do something like that in MS Access?
> >
> > Thank you,
> > Shamil
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From shamil at users.mns.ru  Thu Aug 18 10:24:24 2005
From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 19:24:24 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
References: <004b01c5a383$7bdab060$6401a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru><BAY103-DAV16092568B71CAA8F1065C4AEB30@phx.gbl><002001c5a3ea$66b59c60$6401a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru>
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Message-ID: <003a01c5a40c$1e328f80$6401a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru>

William,

In fact this is an attempt to converge two Worlds.... And I don't mean USA
and Russia :) ...

It can be done almost transparently to your World, MS Access real life
programming World I mean...

No, I'm not talking about unbound vs. bound Worlds here - I have just said
this technique can be used by both these Worlds....

What is important to note I think is that MS is moving to "disconnected
World" (had moved in fact at last in .NET).
MS is moving also into "decoupled and highly cohesive "intelligent" objects
World" - and programming in such environment is very different experience...

...and it may become real World with the next version of MS Office/MS Access
(although I doubt it - to make MS Access working with ADO.NET they need to
have .NET Framework preinstalled on all the target PCs, which could be a
problem until W98, W2K, WinXP, which do not have native support for .NET
Framework are here and supported by MS (I can be wrong).)..

Yes, I know no need to care now probably about these coming changes.
When they will become reality then we will take care of that.
I undertsand this position.
Although with not that much efforts MS Access coupled with disconnected
ADO.NET World may become nowadays reality...

And when MS comes with their solution the transition could be almost
effortless and transparent because the current trend is rather clearly seen
as others answered to this thread approved...

Shamil

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From: "William Hindman" <dejpolsys at hotmail.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 4:10 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..


> ..thanks Shamil ...you work in another world ...and I don't mean Russia :)
>
> ..SQL Server is about as far afield as I ever get ...and unbound forms in
> Access, with few exceptions, are a curse upon mankind ...imnsho :)
>
> William
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil at users.mns.ru>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 7:45 AM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
>
>
> > No, William, this is not replication - here is what I mean in short:
> >
> > http://www.smsconsulting.spb.ru/shamil_s/articles/ddo.htm
> >
> > Shamil
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "William Hindman" <dejpolsys at hotmail.com>
> > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 3:47 AM
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
> >
> >
> >> Shamil
> >>
> >> ..I must be missing something ...that sounds like replication to me.
> >>
> >> William
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message ----- 
> >> From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil at users.mns.ru>
> >> To: "!DBA-MAIN" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> >> Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 7:28 PM
> >> Subject: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
> >>
> >>
> >> > Hi All,
> >> >
> >> > I wanted to ask you - what about the subject?
> >> > Anybody uses/interested to use MS Access client applications this
way?
> >> >
> >> > Do I miss obvious (RTFM) stuff and such a disconnected mode is
already
> >> > implemented in MS Access and broadly used by MS Access developers?
Yes,
> > I
> >> > know ADO recordsets can be used with bound MS Access forms etc. but
> >> > this
> >> > looks like a rather limited feature - am I wrong?
> >> >
> >> > What I mean is cashing data locally into mdbs, only the data needed
for
> >> > the
> >> > currently open form(s) etc., processing this data and then updating
> >> > backend
> >> > database(mdb, MSDE, MS SQL, whatever...) - with all this cashing and
> >> > updating made mostly automatically by a tiny framework code, based on
> >> > ADO.NET...(yes, this local caching of data is not a new subject but
> >> > nowadays
> >> > it can be (re-)implement really scalable way with a way less efforts
> > than
> >> > before)
> >> >
> >> > Maybe MS plans to do something like that?
> >> >
> >> > Is that a wheel reinvention or anybody here sees such opportunity
like
> >> > a
> >> > really useful feature in their real life projects?
> >> >
> >> > For me it looks like a useful feature because it could help: to get
MS
> >> > Access back into mainstream development area because it will allow to
> >> > easily
> >> > scale applications with MS Access front-ends...
> >> >
> >> > There are many other ideas but most of them in this "ideas pool"
based
> > on
> >> > the subject one - if it doesn't make sense for real-life projects
then
> > I'd
> >> > better stop working on it...
> >> >
> >> > What is your opinion about the subject?
> >> > When you expect MS will do something like that in MS Access?
> >> >
> >> > Thank you,
> >> > Shamil
> >> >
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From shamil at users.mns.ru  Thu Aug 18 10:45:54 2005
From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 19:45:54 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT(?): Big Design Up Front (BDUF) vs. XP any comments,
	ideas, experience?
References: <000301c5a3ec$a2806520$0300a8c0@danwaters>
Message-ID: <003b01c5a40c$1e5fe110$6401a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru>

Dan,

And I can't agree with Joel (and I usually admire most of his writing)....
I can't agree just because he used the words "anathema" and "fanatics".
When I hear such words I'm getting very suspicious...

No, XP "fanatics" do not refuse completely upfront design and specs.
They just say that any such designs and specs are a "subject to go nowehere"
while the project evolves - therefore designs and specs should be just
enough to not make severe design errors. They do use some upfront analysis
and design but they do use and apply it differently...

I'd better not talk here about all that - the books I referred are the best
advocates for XP and related subjects.
And the authors are very tolerant to other experience and techniques, in
fact they base there methodology on all the best experience from IT projects
developments of the last 50 years and on many other sources...

This is mentality shift, and I think it's coming - as I noted VS.NET 2005
acquired a lot of XP ideas and the trend is to develop them even more in
coming versions on VS.NET and MS Windows and MS Windows based middleware and
MS SQL Server....

Of course the truth is somewhere in between, if such truth exists at all and
I expect XP practioners are more close to this truth than BDUF advocates - I
think many of your have seen big specification books, which were written by
experts and which were paid big bucks to have been written but which were
thownn away almost immediately after first prototype was written - I have
seen that in a big software house in Germany, I did have such thick specs
from them with a lot of well written text and even screenshots - in three
months ater the project was started only the core idea of this project was
true, most of the specs stuff was obsolete, even more - it was wrong and it
didn't describe well real life customer's business. And the specs were
written IN CLOSE CONTACT with the customer. I have seen/heard about many of
such stories...

Once again XP practioners don't refuse upfront analysis and design - they do
it differently and they work in very close contact with the customer and
they usually (always) have in their teams subject business area
expert(s)....

"The time will put all the dots on 'I' "...

Shamil

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Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 4:01 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT(?): Big Design Up Front (BDUF) vs. XP any
comments,ideas, experience?


> I agree wholeheartedly with Joel.  I developed a spec where instead of the
> Quality Dept. initiating a record, it was initiated by the Purchasing
Dept.
> because they were the first group to become aware of the issue.  I
wouldn't
> have known that without investigating and understanding up front what the
> whole process was.  The Purchasing Dept. agreed pretty quickly that they
> could do this, particularly because having a software application to use
> instead of paper forms made it easy.
>
> The Quality Dept. was initiating because everyone assumed that it was a
> Quality process.  That was departmental thinking - it's whole company
> process thinking that really works.
>
> Dan Waters
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
> Salakhetdinov
> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 4:50 AM
> To: !DBA-MAIN
> Subject: [AccessD] OT(?): Big Design Up Front (BDUF) vs. XP any
> comments,ideas, experience?
>
> Hi All,
>
> I've got this this today from JoelOnSoftware subscription list:
>
> <<<<<<
> "As I worked through the screens that would be needed to allow
> either party to initiate the process, I realized that Aardvark
> would be just as useful, and radically simpler, if the helper
> was required to start the whole process. Making this change in
> the spec took an hour or two. If we had made this change in code,
> it would have added weeks to the schedule. I can't tell you how
> strongly I believe in Big Design Up Front, which the proponents
> of Extreme Programming consider anathema. I have consistently
> saved time and made better products by using BDUF and I'm proud
> to use it, no matter what the XP fanatics claim. They're just
> wrong on this point and I can't be any clearer than that."
>
> - From my latest article:
>
>   The Project Aardvark Spec
>   http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/AardvarkSpec.html
> >>>>>
> No comments.
>
> It happened that I'm currently reading:
>
> "Microsoft Object Thinking"
> by David West
> ISBN:0735619654
> Microsoft Press C 2004
>
> and
>
> "Extreme Programming Adventures in C# "
> by Ron Jeffries
> ISBN:0735619492
> Microsoft Press C 2004
>
> These two books are from Microsoft Press and they have a lot of useful
> information on eXterme Programming, Unit Testing and Classical(Behavioral)
> vs. currently existing in most implementations "real life" UML-based(RUP)
> OOD&P.
>
> When MS Press publishes books on such more computer-science than
> used in real life projects subjects then they are very probably
"cultivating
> the ground" for the soon to become true "dreams". (I remember I watched a
> movie "Microsoft, Year 2004"(form MS of course) somewhere in year 1995 or
> so - and as I see now their by that time science-fiction is now real-life,
> exactly in year 2004-2005.
>
> I must say I impressed with both books (and there are just a few technical
> books I liked because most of them are just "chewing" MSDN or other docs
> without almost any new ideas).
> The more I read them the more I like them and I see a lot of sense in what
> is written in them and I see a lot of my own ideas and experience are
there
> too.  I'm glad my thinking is in the mainstream (of course what they say
is
> much more elaborated and thought through and based on their own rich
> experience).
>
> So my guess/thinking is that XP, Unit Testing and Behavioral (Extreme)
> OOD&P are becoming mainstream for real-life development of the projects of
> any size - in fact as authors of these books state (based on  their
> experience)  that the stuff they are writing about is the "only" agile way
> to solve the challenges of nowadays customers and projects requests. And
> they are not fanatics I think - they base their writing on deep analysis
of
> all the previous 50 years experience in software development and not only
in
> software -  "Microsoft Object Thinking"  is more philosophical than
> technical book and it has quotes from Plato (year 400 B.C.) - these quotes
> are used to explain how to "attack" complicated/vague projects'
> requirements...
>
>
> What do you think about the subject and related issues?
>
> Do we need Access/VBA Unit Testing added here -
> http://opensourcetesting.org/unit_misc.php (Open source tools for software
> testing professionals) - it can be done - does it make sense?
>
> Shamil
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From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com  Thu Aug 18 10:48:39 2005
From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 11:48:39 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] copy string to clipboard
Message-ID: <1D7828CDB8350747AFE9D69E0E90DA1F1484BAEA@xlivmbx21.aig.com>

The original question was 'So how can I copy the value of this string to the
clipboard?'


-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 11:00 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] copy string to clipboard


Where is the matching ClipGetText?

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Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 10:54 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] copy string to clipboard


Which is simpler

ClipPutText MyString 

Or 

Clipboard.SetText "Jim D"

Answer: they are both real simple.  But In the first case all you need is
the code for the ClipPutText routine stashed away in a module, which you can
then treat as a black box, and in the second case you have to distribute a
DLL and ensure that it gets registered properly (assuming the user has
privileges to register DLLs). I know which way I would go! :-)

Lambert

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim DeMarco
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 9:56 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] copy string to clipboard


If you have VB and don't mind shipping a dll with your app it's much
simpler.

<snip>
Clipboard.SetText "Jim D"
Me.Text1.Text = Clipboard.GetText
</snip>

Jim DeMarco

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 2:25 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] copy string to clipboard


Hi Bruce:

I have some code that I have been using for years, mostly for debugging
purposes. It just copies a string up into the clip board and it doesn't look
as ugly as the code from Terry Kreft.

The following code resides in a miodule declaration area:

<code>
'Whole bunch of APIs which allow text to be copied to clipboard... Private
Declare Function OpenClipboard Lib "User32" (ByVal hWnd&) As Long Private
Declare Function EmptyClipboard Lib "User32" () As Long Private Declare
Function GetClipboardData Lib "User32" (ByVal wFormat&) As Long Private
Declare Function SetClipboardData Lib "User32" (ByVal wFormat&, _
        ByVal hMem&) As Long
Private Declare Function CloseClipboard Lib "User32" () As Long ' Private
Declare Function GlobalAlloc Lib "kernel32" (ByVal wFlags&, _
        ByVal dwBytes&) As Long
Private Declare Function GlobalLock Lib "kernel32" (ByVal hMem&) As Long
Private Declare Function GlobalUnlock Lib "kernel32" (ByVal hMem&) As Long '
Private Declare Function lstrcpy Lib "kernel32" (ByVal lpString1 As Any, _
        ByVal lpString2 As Any) As Long
</code>

And the remainder is place in a module's function area:

<code>
Public Sub ClipPutText(lsText As String)
    ' Stores text on the clipboard

    Dim hMem As Long
    Const GHND = &H42
    
    hMem = GlobalAlloc(GHND, Len(lsText) + 1)
    lstrcpy GlobalLock(hMem), lsText
    If GlobalUnlock(hMem) = 0 Then
        If OpenClipboard(0&) <> 0 Then
            EmptyClipboard
            SetClipboardData 1, hMem
            CloseClipboard
        End If
    End If
    
End Sub
</code>

And it can be called from anywhere; forms, reports or modules like so:

ClipPutText MyString  'Place the string 'MyString into the clipboard


HTH
Jim
 
-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bruen, Bruce
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 7:29 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] copy string to clipboard

This must! be simple.
 
I have a string variable created by concatenating the values of several form
fields.  So how can I copy the value of this string to the clipboard?
 
Private Sub Command35_Click()
    Dim refstr As String
    refstr = "RCRef=|" & Me.ucref & "|" & Me.testname & "|" & Me.TestID &
"|"
    Debug.Print refstr
    Stop
    ':-( Runcmd accmdStickTheStringInTheClipboard :-(
End Sub
 
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Aug 18 11:02:08 2005
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 12:02:08 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] copy string to clipboard
In-Reply-To: <1D7828CDB8350747AFE9D69E0E90DA1F1484BAEA@xlivmbx21.aig.com>
Message-ID: <011701c5a40e$2f728960$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

LOL, OK, so now the question is... How can I copy the clipboard back to a
string...

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 11:49 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] copy string to clipboard


The original question was 'So how can I copy the value of this string to the
clipboard?'


-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 11:00 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] copy string to clipboard


Where is the matching ClipGetText?

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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 10:54 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] copy string to clipboard


Which is simpler

ClipPutText MyString 

Or 

Clipboard.SetText "Jim D"

Answer: they are both real simple.  But In the first case all you need is
the code for the ClipPutText routine stashed away in a module, which you can
then treat as a black box, and in the second case you have to distribute a
DLL and ensure that it gets registered properly (assuming the user has
privileges to register DLLs). I know which way I would go! :-)

Lambert

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim DeMarco
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 9:56 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] copy string to clipboard


If you have VB and don't mind shipping a dll with your app it's much
simpler.

<snip>
Clipboard.SetText "Jim D"
Me.Text1.Text = Clipboard.GetText
</snip>

Jim DeMarco

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 2:25 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] copy string to clipboard


Hi Bruce:

I have some code that I have been using for years, mostly for debugging
purposes. It just copies a string up into the clip board and it doesn't look
as ugly as the code from Terry Kreft.

The following code resides in a miodule declaration area:

<code>
'Whole bunch of APIs which allow text to be copied to clipboard... Private
Declare Function OpenClipboard Lib "User32" (ByVal hWnd&) As Long Private
Declare Function EmptyClipboard Lib "User32" () As Long Private Declare
Function GetClipboardData Lib "User32" (ByVal wFormat&) As Long Private
Declare Function SetClipboardData Lib "User32" (ByVal wFormat&, _
        ByVal hMem&) As Long
Private Declare Function CloseClipboard Lib "User32" () As Long ' Private
Declare Function GlobalAlloc Lib "kernel32" (ByVal wFlags&, _
        ByVal dwBytes&) As Long
Private Declare Function GlobalLock Lib "kernel32" (ByVal hMem&) As Long
Private Declare Function GlobalUnlock Lib "kernel32" (ByVal hMem&) As Long '
Private Declare Function lstrcpy Lib "kernel32" (ByVal lpString1 As Any, _
        ByVal lpString2 As Any) As Long
</code>

And the remainder is place in a module's function area:

<code>
Public Sub ClipPutText(lsText As String)
    ' Stores text on the clipboard

    Dim hMem As Long
    Const GHND = &H42
    
    hMem = GlobalAlloc(GHND, Len(lsText) + 1)
    lstrcpy GlobalLock(hMem), lsText
    If GlobalUnlock(hMem) = 0 Then
        If OpenClipboard(0&) <> 0 Then
            EmptyClipboard
            SetClipboardData 1, hMem
            CloseClipboard
        End If
    End If
    
End Sub
</code>

And it can be called from anywhere; forms, reports or modules like so:

ClipPutText MyString  'Place the string 'MyString into the clipboard


HTH
Jim
 
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Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 7:29 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] copy string to clipboard

This must! be simple.
 
I have a string variable created by concatenating the values of several form
fields.  So how can I copy the value of this string to the clipboard?
 
Private Sub Command35_Click()
    Dim refstr As String
    refstr = "RCRef=|" & Me.ucref & "|" & Me.testname & "|" & Me.TestID &
"|"
    Debug.Print refstr
    Stop
    ':-( Runcmd accmdStickTheStringInTheClipboard :-(
End Sub
 
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From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com  Thu Aug 18 11:03:23 2005
From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 12:03:23 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] copy string to clipboard
Message-ID: <1D7828CDB8350747AFE9D69E0E90DA1F1484BAFA@xlivmbx21.aig.com>


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 11:00 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] copy string to clipboard


Where is the matching ClipGetText?

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

------------------------
It's another simple API call...

Private Declare Function GetClipboardData Lib "user32" (ByVal wFormat As
Long) As Long

I've even got a simple class to take care of text to and from the clipboard
<g>

'*************************** clsClipBoard *************

Option Compare Database
Option Explicit



' Obtaining Clipboard Data using API
' (needed for VBA since no Clipboard Object) -- can also paste the data to a
control
' *************************************************************

' ******* Place following in declarations *********
Private Declare Function OpenClipboard Lib "user32" (ByVal hWnd As Long) As
Long
Private Declare Function CloseClipboard Lib "user32" () As Long
Private Declare Function EmptyClipboard Lib "user32" () As Long
Private Declare Function SetClipboardData Lib "user32" (ByVal wFormat As
Long, ByVal hMem As Long) As Long
Private Declare Function GetClipboardData Lib "user32" (ByVal wFormat As
Long) As Long
Private Declare Function GlobalAlloc Lib "kernel32" (ByVal wFlags&, ByVal
dwBytes As Long) As Long
Private Declare Function GlobalLock Lib "kernel32" (ByVal hMem As Long) As
Long
Private Declare Function GlobalUnlock Lib "kernel32" (ByVal hMem As Long) As
Long
Private Declare Function GlobalSize Lib "kernel32" (ByVal hMem As Long) As
Long
Private Declare Function lstrcpy Lib "kernel32" (ByVal lpString1 As Any,
ByVal lpString2 As Any) As Long

Const GHND = &H42
Const CF_TEXT = 1
Const MAXSIZE = 4096

Function GetTextData() As String
   Dim hClipMemory As Long
   Dim lpClipMemory As Long
   Dim MyString As String
   Dim RetVal As Long

   If OpenClipboard(0&) = 0 Then
      MsgBox "Cannot open Clipboard. Another app. may have it open", ,
"Clipboard"

      Exit Function
   End If

   ' Obtain the handle to the global memory
   ' block that is referencing the text.
   hClipMemory = GetClipboardData(CF_TEXT)
   If IsNull(hClipMemory) Then
      MsgBox "Could not allocate memory", , "Clipboard"
   Else
   
      ' Lock Clipboard memory so we can reference
      ' the actual data string.
      lpClipMemory = GlobalLock(hClipMemory)
   
      If Not IsNull(lpClipMemory) Then
   
         MyString = SPACE$(MAXSIZE)
         RetVal = lstrcpy(MyString, lpClipMemory)
         RetVal = GlobalUnlock(hClipMemory)
   
         ' Peel off the null terminating character.
         MyString = uMid(MyString, 1, InStr(1, MyString, Chr$(0), 0) - 1)
      Else
         MsgBox "Could not lock memory to copy string from.", , "Clipboard"
      End If
   
   End If

   RetVal = CloseClipboard()
   GetTextData = MyString

End Function

Sub SetTextData(MyString As String)
   Dim hGlobalMemory As Long, lpGlobalMemory As Long
   Dim hClipMemory As Long, x As Long

   ' Allocate movable global memory.
   '-------------------------------------------
   hGlobalMemory = GlobalAlloc(GHND, Len(MyString) + 1)

   ' Lock the block to get a far pointer
   ' to this memory.
   lpGlobalMemory = GlobalLock(hGlobalMemory)

   ' Copy the string to this global memory.
   lpGlobalMemory = lstrcpy(lpGlobalMemory, MyString)

   ' Unlock the memory.
   If GlobalUnlock(hGlobalMemory) <> 0 Then
      MsgBox "Could not unlock memory location. Copy aborted.", ,
"Clipboard"
   Else
      ' Open the Clipboard to copy data to.
      If OpenClipboard(0&) = 0 Then
         MsgBox "Could not open the Clipboard. Copy aborted.", , "Clipboard"
         Exit Sub
      End If
   
      ' Clear the Clipboard.
      x = EmptyClipboard()
   
      ' Copy the data to the Clipboard.
      hClipMemory = SetClipboardData(CF_TEXT, hGlobalMemory)
   End If

   If CloseClipboard() = 0 Then
      MsgBox "Could not close Clipboard.", , "Clipboard"
   End If

End Sub
   
'********************************************


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Aug 18 11:06:26 2005
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 12:06:26 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] copy string to clipboard
In-Reply-To: <1D7828CDB8350747AFE9D69E0E90DA1F1484BAFA@xlivmbx21.aig.com>
Message-ID: <011801c5a40e$c9819fa0$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

>I've even got a simple class to take care of text to and from the clipboard
<g>

And of course, so do I now, thanks to you.  <grin>  This is what makes this
group great.

John W. Colby
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Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 12:03 PM
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Subject: RE: [AccessD] copy string to clipboard



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Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 11:00 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] copy string to clipboard


Where is the matching ClipGetText?

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

------------------------
It's another simple API call...

Private Declare Function GetClipboardData Lib "user32" (ByVal wFormat As
Long) As Long

I've even got a simple class to take care of text to and from the clipboard
<g>

'*************************** clsClipBoard *************

Option Compare Database
Option Explicit



' Obtaining Clipboard Data using API
' (needed for VBA since no Clipboard Object) -- can also paste the data to a
control ' *************************************************************

' ******* Place following in declarations *********
Private Declare Function OpenClipboard Lib "user32" (ByVal hWnd As Long) As
Long Private Declare Function CloseClipboard Lib "user32" () As Long Private
Declare Function EmptyClipboard Lib "user32" () As Long Private Declare
Function SetClipboardData Lib "user32" (ByVal wFormat As Long, ByVal hMem As
Long) As Long Private Declare Function GetClipboardData Lib "user32" (ByVal
wFormat As
Long) As Long
Private Declare Function GlobalAlloc Lib "kernel32" (ByVal wFlags&, ByVal
dwBytes As Long) As Long Private Declare Function GlobalLock Lib "kernel32"
(ByVal hMem As Long) As Long Private Declare Function GlobalUnlock Lib
"kernel32" (ByVal hMem As Long) As Long Private Declare Function GlobalSize
Lib "kernel32" (ByVal hMem As Long) As Long Private Declare Function lstrcpy
Lib "kernel32" (ByVal lpString1 As Any, ByVal lpString2 As Any) As Long

Const GHND = &H42
Const CF_TEXT = 1
Const MAXSIZE = 4096

Function GetTextData() As String
   Dim hClipMemory As Long
   Dim lpClipMemory As Long
   Dim MyString As String
   Dim RetVal As Long

   If OpenClipboard(0&) = 0 Then
      MsgBox "Cannot open Clipboard. Another app. may have it open", ,
"Clipboard"

      Exit Function
   End If

   ' Obtain the handle to the global memory
   ' block that is referencing the text.
   hClipMemory = GetClipboardData(CF_TEXT)
   If IsNull(hClipMemory) Then
      MsgBox "Could not allocate memory", , "Clipboard"
   Else
   
      ' Lock Clipboard memory so we can reference
      ' the actual data string.
      lpClipMemory = GlobalLock(hClipMemory)
   
      If Not IsNull(lpClipMemory) Then
   
         MyString = SPACE$(MAXSIZE)
         RetVal = lstrcpy(MyString, lpClipMemory)
         RetVal = GlobalUnlock(hClipMemory)
   
         ' Peel off the null terminating character.
         MyString = uMid(MyString, 1, InStr(1, MyString, Chr$(0), 0) - 1)
      Else
         MsgBox "Could not lock memory to copy string from.", , "Clipboard"
      End If
   
   End If

   RetVal = CloseClipboard()
   GetTextData = MyString

End Function

Sub SetTextData(MyString As String)
   Dim hGlobalMemory As Long, lpGlobalMemory As Long
   Dim hClipMemory As Long, x As Long

   ' Allocate movable global memory.
   '-------------------------------------------
   hGlobalMemory = GlobalAlloc(GHND, Len(MyString) + 1)

   ' Lock the block to get a far pointer
   ' to this memory.
   lpGlobalMemory = GlobalLock(hGlobalMemory)

   ' Copy the string to this global memory.
   lpGlobalMemory = lstrcpy(lpGlobalMemory, MyString)

   ' Unlock the memory.
   If GlobalUnlock(hGlobalMemory) <> 0 Then
      MsgBox "Could not unlock memory location. Copy aborted.", ,
"Clipboard"
   Else
      ' Open the Clipboard to copy data to.
      If OpenClipboard(0&) = 0 Then
         MsgBox "Could not open the Clipboard. Copy aborted.", , "Clipboard"
         Exit Sub
      End If
   
      ' Clear the Clipboard.
      x = EmptyClipboard()
   
      ' Copy the data to the Clipboard.
      hClipMemory = SetClipboardData(CF_TEXT, hGlobalMemory)
   End If

   If CloseClipboard() = 0 Then
      MsgBox "Could not close Clipboard.", , "Clipboard"
   End If

End Sub
   
'********************************************
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From dejpolsys at hotmail.com  Thu Aug 18 11:07:12 2005
From: dejpolsys at hotmail.com (William Hindman)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 12:07:12 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] A2000/3:Connecting to SQL Server
References: <010701c5a3fd$40a7f690$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <BAY103-DAV9605E9864FC55B34D65F6AEB20@phx.gbl>

Darren

..AccessD members Harkins and Martin have a book out "SQL: Access to SQL 
Server" that walks you right through this while holding your hand, and 
squeezing when necessary ...and if that isn't enough, they're both right 
here to dumb it down to where even I could understand it :)

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/customer-reviews/1893115305/ref=cm_cr_dp_pt/102-6279525-3247338?%5Fencoding=UTF8&n=507846&s=books

William

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To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
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Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 10:00 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2000/3:Connecting to SQL Server


> Darren,
>
> If the BE is in Access and needs to be upgraded to SQL Server, try the
> upgrade wizard.  I have run this on some fairly major Access Bes and it
> works pretty well.  The only issue I had was dates which have different
> ranges between Access and SQL.
>
>
> The idea is to get the BE upgrading without any issues (data all moves
> without errors), then put the FE back in the BE and run it one more time.
> The wizard will place the data in SQL Server and create ODBC connections
> between the FE (no data anymore) and SQL Server.  The ODBC connections 
> look
> for all the world like normal links and at that point your FE should 
> operate
> normally.  At least the FE will work now.  You can then start doing other
> things to make it faster, more robust etc.
>
> That's the "nutshell" version of the process.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
> http://folding.stanford.edu/
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darren Dick
> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 8:46 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving; Database Advisors
> Subject: [AccessD] A2000/3:Connecting to SQL Server
>
>
> Hello all
>
> New Job - Have to Learn SQL Server ASAP and MS Reporting Services.
>
> (Anyone know any good resources on MS Reporting Services?)
>
> Also I would like someone to hold my hand getting an ACCESS front end to
> talk with a SQL Server Backend.
>
> never done it - never had to - and I have no clue on how to do it. :-))
>
> Anyone wanna hold my hand  (No sweaty palms - I promise) or failing that
> some simple
>
> (and it really does have to be simple for me) tutorials?
>
> Many thanks
>
> Darren
>
>
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From cyx5 at cdc.gov  Thu Aug 18 11:08:02 2005
From: cyx5 at cdc.gov (Nicholson, Karen)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 12:08:02 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access to SQL
Message-ID: <A5B5AA20555F594BA7B6BD2048E49E4376FE45@m-niosh-5.niosh.cdc.gov>

Be careful when using the converter of its tendency to convert numbers
to BIT types.  Eventually, someone will put a null value in the field,
and Access gets mad.  Also, make sure if you are using SQL 2000 backend
with an Access 2003 front end that you watch out for the bug that
updates the wrong records in subforms if you base your query on a form.
With the nasty dates, I convert them in Access before updating to SQL to
avoid those headaches. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 11:27 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access to SQL

There is no DISTINCTROW keyword in SQL because you don't need it.  Just
drop that from your SQL statement and check the results.

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Johncliviger at aol.com [mailto:Johncliviger at aol.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 4:40 AM
To: accessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Access to SQL


Hi all
 
I've moved Access XP FE to ADP FE and the tables to SQL 2000 BE. I now
find 
that Select DistinctRow thats in Access XP has no equivalent in SQL
2000. 
What is the equivalent syntax?
 
for example have the following sql string works in Access without a
problem. 
Load it into ADP ...and its a no no.
 
Any suggestions?
 
SELECT DISTINCTROW ApplicantPersonalDetails.*,
OrderDetails.CourseCounter, 
OrderDetails.OrderID, Orders.ClientID,  Orders.OrderDate, 
Orders.InvoiceRequired, ClientPurchaser.ClientCode,
ClientPurchaser.Purchasers, 
ClientPurchaser.FirstName, ClientPurchaser.LastName,
PostBasicCourseDetails.CourseID, 
PostBasicCourseDetails.Date,  PostBasicCourseDetails.Course, 
PostBasicCourseDetails.Level,  PostBasicCourseDetails.Location,
PostBasicCourseDetails.Code,  
PostBasicCourseDetails.Length, PostBasicCourseDetails.Places,  
PostBasicCourseDetails.CourseLeader1,
PostBasicCourseDetails.CourseLeader2,  
PostBasicCourseDetails.Cost, PostBasicCourseDetails.Selection

FROM          PostBasicCourseDetails INNER  JOIN
(((ClientPurchaser INNER  JOIN
Orders ON ClientPurchaser.ClientID = Orders.ClientID) INNER  JOIN
OrderDetails ON Orders.OrderID = OrderDetails.OrderID) INNER  JOIN
ApplicantPersonalDetails ON OrderDetails.OrderDetailID =  
ApplicantPersonalDetails.OrderDetailID) ON  
PostBasicCourseDetails.CourseCounter = OrderDetails.CourseCounter;
 
Regards
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From artful at rogers.com  Thu Aug 18 11:21:00 2005
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 12:21:00 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT(?): Big Design Up Front (BDUF) vs. XP any comments,
	ideas, experience?
In-Reply-To: <002501c5a3da$451f62d0$6401a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru>
Message-ID: <200508181621.j7IGL3R26856@databaseadvisors.com>

About a decade ago I headed a development team for an insurance company.
Half the job was to take some mainframe programmers and acquaint them with
PC development tools and best practices. XP was not a big thing then, but I
improvised an approximation of it at that time. I started with 2
programmers, and had them sit with me as I coded. They were learning lots of
things at once -- syntax, editor keystrokes, shortcuts, etc. At first I was
moving so quickly that they couldn't even see what I was doing (particularly
in the editor itself), but a few explanations and we were over that hump.
The hardest thing to teach them was "1 proc does exactly one thing"... No,
upon reflection, the hardest thing to teach them was "avoid coding until the
last possible moment." The first two programmers then took on a programmer
each and repeated the "semester", as it were, and then those two took on a
programmer each. By the end of the project, we had a team of capable
programmers, and we stuck to the rule of "two programmers per keyboard" all
the way through the project. It worked brilliantly -- about equivalent to
debugging while writing the code. The second programmer might watch the
first start a recursive routine and say, "Hey, wait, let's break it out into
two routines and avoid the recursion problems." They might kick it around
for a bit before choosing one or the other approach, and also document why
they elected that choice.

I am _way_ big on BDUF! Avoid coding until the last possible moment --
that's my motto. I started out as a cowboy coder, but no more. I spend a
_lot_ of time db-design tools such as DeZign, and I don't even begin
creating sample data until I've been through about 3 revisions of the given
DB design. Then I write use-cases describing each function the software must
perform, using English not pseudo-code -- in fact, I have learned to avoid
any specific references to tables, and instead to write such statements as,
"When the user selects a product and quantity she wishes to buy, place a
5-minute hold on that quantity. When the user's credit card payment is
authorized, deplete inventory by the specified quantity and remove the
hold."

Once the DB design is finalized, and the purpose of each table, view, sproc
and UDF described, then even a relatively new hire can take the spec
described above and implement it easily. In the example I gave, there are
the following steps:

1. Obtain the product ID and desired quantity
2. Check to see said quantity exists (we'll sidestep the issue of
back-orders for now).
3. Place a hold on said quantity, with a timer mechanism of some sort (SQL
Server is great at this, much better than an Access timer).
4. Obtain the credit card info, fire it off and check the return status.
5. If the payment went through, deplete the quantity available. 
6. Remove the hold.

Each of these steps can be reduced to exactly one procedure. You (as
manager) could even assign each step to a different programmer. So long as
the DB design is solid, there should be no issues.

I haven't read either book you mentioned, but I'll put them on my list of
things to read.

Arthur

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
Salakhetdinov
Sent: August 18, 2005 5:50 AM
To: !DBA-MAIN
Subject: [AccessD] OT(?): Big Design Up Front (BDUF) vs. XP any
comments,ideas, experience?

Hi All,

I've got this this today from JoelOnSoftware subscription list:

<<<<<<
"As I worked through the screens that would be needed to allow
either party to initiate the process, I realized that Aardvark
would be just as useful, and radically simpler, if the helper
was required to start the whole process. Making this change in
the spec took an hour or two. If we had made this change in code,
it would have added weeks to the schedule. I can't tell you how
strongly I believe in Big Design Up Front, which the proponents
of Extreme Programming consider anathema. I have consistently
saved time and made better products by using BDUF and I'm proud
to use it, no matter what the XP fanatics claim. They're just
wrong on this point and I can't be any clearer than that."

- From my latest article:

  The Project Aardvark Spec
  http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/AardvarkSpec.html
>>>>>
No comments.

It happened that I'm currently reading:

"Microsoft Object Thinking"
by David West
ISBN:0735619654
Microsoft Press C 2004

and

"Extreme Programming Adventures in C# "
by Ron Jeffries
ISBN:0735619492
Microsoft Press C 2004

These two books are from Microsoft Press and they have a lot of useful
information on eXterme Programming, Unit Testing and Classical(Behavioral)
vs. currently existing in most implementations "real life" UML-based(RUP)
OOD&P.

When MS Press publishes books on such more computer-science than
used in real life projects subjects then they are very probably "cultivating
the ground" for the soon to become true "dreams". (I remember I watched a
movie "Microsoft, Year 2004"(form MS of course) somewhere in year 1995 or
so - and as I see now their by that time science-fiction is now real-life,
exactly in year 2004-2005.

I must say I impressed with both books (and there are just a few technical
books I liked because most of them are just "chewing" MSDN or other docs
without almost any new ideas).
The more I read them the more I like them and I see a lot of sense in what
is written in them and I see a lot of my own ideas and experience are there
too.  I'm glad my thinking is in the mainstream (of course what they say is
much more elaborated and thought through and based on their own rich
experience).

So my guess/thinking is that XP, Unit Testing and Behavioral (Extreme)
OOD&P are becoming mainstream for real-life development of the projects of
any size - in fact as authors of these books state (based on  their
experience)  that the stuff they are writing about is the "only" agile way
to solve the challenges of nowadays customers and projects requests. And
they are not fanatics I think - they base their writing on deep analysis of
all the previous 50 years experience in software development and not only in
software -  "Microsoft Object Thinking"  is more philosophical than
technical book and it has quotes from Plato (year 400 B.C.) - these quotes
are used to explain how to "attack" complicated/vague projects'
requirements...


What do you think about the subject and related issues?

Do we need Access/VBA Unit Testing added here -
http://opensourcetesting.org/unit_misc.php (Open source tools for software
testing professionals) - it can be done - does it make sense?

Shamil

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From ssharkins at bellsouth.net  Thu Aug 18 11:22:12 2005
From: ssharkins at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 12:22:12 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] A2000/3:Connecting to SQL Server
In-Reply-To: <BAY103-DAV9605E9864FC55B34D65F6AEB20@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <20050818162214.CQHN11342.ibm68aec.bellsouth.net@SUSANONE>

Martin is the mastermind of that section. :) 

Thanks William!

Susan H. 

Darren

..AccessD members Harkins and Martin have a book out "SQL: Access to SQL
Server" that walks you right through this while holding your hand, and
squeezing when necessary ...and if that isn't enough, they're both right
here to dumb it down to where even I could understand it :)

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/customer-reviews/1893115305/ref=cm_cr_dp_pt
/102-6279525-3247338?%5Fencoding=UTF8&n=507846&s=books




From dejpolsys at hotmail.com  Thu Aug 18 11:31:58 2005
From: dejpolsys at hotmail.com (William Hindman)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 12:31:58 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] A2000/3:Connecting to SQL Server
References: <20050818162214.CQHN11342.ibm68aec.bellsouth.net@SUSANONE>
Message-ID: <BAY103-DAV121A337696A2BA66BB9432AEB20@phx.gbl>

..de nada ...I used it again this morning which is why it was on my mind 
..walk in the park :)

William

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Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 12:22 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2000/3:Connecting to SQL Server


> Martin is the mastermind of that section. :)
>
> Thanks William!
>
> Susan H.
>
> Darren
>
> ..AccessD members Harkins and Martin have a book out "SQL: Access to SQL
> Server" that walks you right through this while holding your hand, and
> squeezing when necessary ...and if that isn't enough, they're both right
> here to dumb it down to where even I could understand it :)
>
> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/customer-reviews/1893115305/ref=cm_cr_dp_pt
> /102-6279525-3247338?%5Fencoding=UTF8&n=507846&s=books
>
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Aug 18 11:33:59 2005
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 12:33:59 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] copy string to clipboard
In-Reply-To: <1D7828CDB8350747AFE9D69E0E90DA1F1484BAFA@xlivmbx21.aig.com>
Message-ID: <011a01c5a412$a2a69580$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

Lambert,

Doesn't the clipboard allow multiple things to be placed in it?  I see this
effect with certain applications where the clipboard offers you the ability
to choose which item on the clipboard is the one you want.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
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Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 12:03 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] copy string to clipboard



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
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Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 11:00 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] copy string to clipboard


Where is the matching ClipGetText?

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

------------------------
It's another simple API call...

Private Declare Function GetClipboardData Lib "user32" (ByVal wFormat As
Long) As Long

I've even got a simple class to take care of text to and from the clipboard
<g>

'*************************** clsClipBoard *************

Option Compare Database
Option Explicit



' Obtaining Clipboard Data using API
' (needed for VBA since no Clipboard Object) -- can also paste the data to a
control ' *************************************************************

' ******* Place following in declarations *********
Private Declare Function OpenClipboard Lib "user32" (ByVal hWnd As Long) As
Long Private Declare Function CloseClipboard Lib "user32" () As Long Private
Declare Function EmptyClipboard Lib "user32" () As Long Private Declare
Function SetClipboardData Lib "user32" (ByVal wFormat As Long, ByVal hMem As
Long) As Long Private Declare Function GetClipboardData Lib "user32" (ByVal
wFormat As
Long) As Long
Private Declare Function GlobalAlloc Lib "kernel32" (ByVal wFlags&, ByVal
dwBytes As Long) As Long Private Declare Function GlobalLock Lib "kernel32"
(ByVal hMem As Long) As Long Private Declare Function GlobalUnlock Lib
"kernel32" (ByVal hMem As Long) As Long Private Declare Function GlobalSize
Lib "kernel32" (ByVal hMem As Long) As Long Private Declare Function lstrcpy
Lib "kernel32" (ByVal lpString1 As Any, ByVal lpString2 As Any) As Long

Const GHND = &H42
Const CF_TEXT = 1
Const MAXSIZE = 4096

Function GetTextData() As String
   Dim hClipMemory As Long
   Dim lpClipMemory As Long
   Dim MyString As String
   Dim RetVal As Long

   If OpenClipboard(0&) = 0 Then
      MsgBox "Cannot open Clipboard. Another app. may have it open", ,
"Clipboard"

      Exit Function
   End If

   ' Obtain the handle to the global memory
   ' block that is referencing the text.
   hClipMemory = GetClipboardData(CF_TEXT)
   If IsNull(hClipMemory) Then
      MsgBox "Could not allocate memory", , "Clipboard"
   Else
   
      ' Lock Clipboard memory so we can reference
      ' the actual data string.
      lpClipMemory = GlobalLock(hClipMemory)
   
      If Not IsNull(lpClipMemory) Then
   
         MyString = SPACE$(MAXSIZE)
         RetVal = lstrcpy(MyString, lpClipMemory)
         RetVal = GlobalUnlock(hClipMemory)
   
         ' Peel off the null terminating character.
         MyString = uMid(MyString, 1, InStr(1, MyString, Chr$(0), 0) - 1)
      Else
         MsgBox "Could not lock memory to copy string from.", , "Clipboard"
      End If
   
   End If

   RetVal = CloseClipboard()
   GetTextData = MyString

End Function

Sub SetTextData(MyString As String)
   Dim hGlobalMemory As Long, lpGlobalMemory As Long
   Dim hClipMemory As Long, x As Long

   ' Allocate movable global memory.
   '-------------------------------------------
   hGlobalMemory = GlobalAlloc(GHND, Len(MyString) + 1)

   ' Lock the block to get a far pointer
   ' to this memory.
   lpGlobalMemory = GlobalLock(hGlobalMemory)

   ' Copy the string to this global memory.
   lpGlobalMemory = lstrcpy(lpGlobalMemory, MyString)

   ' Unlock the memory.
   If GlobalUnlock(hGlobalMemory) <> 0 Then
      MsgBox "Could not unlock memory location. Copy aborted.", ,
"Clipboard"
   Else
      ' Open the Clipboard to copy data to.
      If OpenClipboard(0&) = 0 Then
         MsgBox "Could not open the Clipboard. Copy aborted.", , "Clipboard"
         Exit Sub
      End If
   
      ' Clear the Clipboard.
      x = EmptyClipboard()
   
      ' Copy the data to the Clipboard.
      hClipMemory = SetClipboardData(CF_TEXT, hGlobalMemory)
   End If

   If CloseClipboard() = 0 Then
      MsgBox "Could not close Clipboard.", , "Clipboard"
   End If

End Sub
   
'********************************************
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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Thu Aug 18 11:27:33 2005
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 09:27:33 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Ajax and Atlas with XML
References: <0ILC0076JFIZDV@l-daemon>
Message-ID: <4304B6F5.6030708@shaw.ca>

Ah,  I knew why I didn't look at AJAX and ASP.Net 1.0 way back when.
It is a lot easier to do now with ASP.Net 2.0 but it is still Beta 2.0

ASP.NET V1.0 and V1.1 have no explicit support for this technology
ASP.NET V2.0 contains out-of-the-box support for asynchronous client 
script callbacks
and provides a fairly simple way to register the callback methods,
invoke them, and handle any associated errors with RaiseCallbackEvent
However the xmlhttp request object does have a deferred callback.

 From this months Simple Talk The journal for Microsoft technology 
developers and DBAs

Asynchronous client script callback for ASP.Net 2.0

http://www.simple-talk.com/2005/08/10/asynchronous-client-script-callbacks/

Asynchronous Web Service Calls over HTTP with the .NET Framework using 
ASP.Net 1.0
Old ASP.Net  1.0 method complicated and falls over in certain situations

http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dnservice/html/service09032002.asp

This article gives good diagrams on asynch/synch methods
Jesse James Garrett
http://www.adaptivepath.com/publications/essays/archives/000385.php



Jim Lawrence wrote:

>Marty what do you mean 'No dancing Hamster'! :-(
>
>What is your opinion on the AJAX.Net variation on AJAX which seems to be the
>hottest ticket?
>
>Jim
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
>Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 5:10 PM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Ajax and Atlas with XML
>
>Nope that is it, all there is in the one xml element, no dancing hamsters
>
>This site will give you a better idea but more html code needed
>Click on 
>
>Drop Downs & Form Handling <javascript: toggleDiv('div_dropdowns')>
>
>then click states states
>
>http://www.clearnova.com/ajax/index.html
>
>
>Jim Lawrence wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Hi Marty:
>>
>>Just a note the Server page update sample. 
>>
>>It initially shows the following line: This is some sample data. It is the
>>default data for this web page. View XML data.
>>
>>.. and when clicking on the link: View XML data
>>
>>.. the line then displays: This is some sample data. It is stored in an XML
>>file and retrieved by JavaScript.
>>
>>.. and that is all. Is there supposed to be more displayed?
>>
>>Jim
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
>>Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 12:50 PM
>>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>Subject: [AccessD] Ajax and Atlas with XML
>>
>>If looking for xml info starter sites.
>>
>>http://www.xml.org
>>http://www.xml.com
>>A vb oriented site was once vbxml.com
>>http://www.topxml.com
>>
>>Try to buy XML books published in last 3 years otherwise
>>you wont get latest in XSLT and  XQuery. Old books maybe based on old 
>>XSL patterns
>>which might prove confusing.
>>
>>
>>Now here is the latest buzz in XML development with AJAX.
>>
>>In computer programming, AJAX (Asynchronous JavaScript and XML) is a 
>>method of building interactive applications for the Web that process 
>>user requests immediately.Ajax allows content on Web pages to update 
>>immediately when a user performs an action, unlike an HTTP request, 
>>during which users must wait for a whole new page to load. For example, 
>>a weather forecasting site could display local conditions on one side of 
>>the page without delay after a user types in a zip code.
>>Google Map works this way. ATLAS is a downloadable javascript engine 
>>Microsoft  is supposed to bring out in September at some convention.
>>
>>How difficult is this stuff well it is not rocket science. But an 
>>amalgam of 4 or 5 techniques. Ajax combines several programming tools 
>>including JavaScript, dynamic HTML (DHTML), Extensible Markup Language 
>>(XML), cascading style sheets (CSS), the Document Object Model (DOM), 
>>and the Microsoft object, XMLHttpRequest. After that you can use Web 
>>Services to grab the xml data. You could modify javascript to VBA too 
>>for use in Access.
>>
>>Some sites where you can grab javascript source and  examples of Ajax or 
>>download them
>>
>>http://www.clearnova.com/ajax/index.html
>>http://developer.apple.com/internet/webcontent/XMLHttpRequestExample/exampl
>>    
>>
>e
>  
>
>>.html
>>
>>Articles
>>Dynamic HTML and xmlhttpRequest object
>>http://developer.apple.com/internet/webcontent/xmlhttpreq.html
>>
>>Jesse Garrett  What is Ajax?  (The guy that gave it the name)
>>http://www.adaptivepath.com/publications/essays/archives/000385.php
>>
>>
>>Here is a elementary ajax sample just place the two files on your web 
>>server and run with java script enabled
>>through your favourite browser.
>>
>>You can also run from hard disk directly in Netscape 7.0 but IE locally 
>>has security stops and uses file: protocol and not http: protocol so 
>>wont run correctly
>>without a lot of  fiddling with settings. Rather than use a object; 
>>might use document.innerhtml to get around for local use.
>>
>>On my server these two files  
>>http://www5.brinkster.com/mconnelly/ajax/ajax.html
>>
>>Save this file as UTF-8 not ANSI   ajax.html
>>
>><!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN"
>> "http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd">
>><html lang="en" dir="ltr">
>> <head>
>>   <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html;
>>    
>>
>charset=iso-8859-1">
>  
>
>>   <title>Developing Web Applications with Ajax - Example</title>
>><script type="text/javascript"><!--
>>function ajaxRead(file){
>> var xmlObj = null;
>> if(window.XMLHttpRequest){
>>     xmlObj = new XMLHttpRequest();
>> } else if(window.ActiveXObject){
>>     xmlObj = new ActiveXObject("Microsoft.XMLHTTP");
>> } else {
>>     return;
>> }
>> xmlObj.onreadystatechange = function(){
>>   if(xmlObj.readyState == 4){
>>      updateObj('xmlObj', 
>>xmlObj.responseXML.getElementsByTagName('data')[0].firstChild.data);
>>    }
>>   }
>>   xmlObj.open ('GET', file, true);
>>   xmlObj.send ('');
>> }
>> function updateObj(obj, data){
>>  document.getElementById(obj).firstChild.data = data;
>> }
>> //--></script>
>> </head>
>> <body>
>>   <h1>Developing Web Applications with Ajax</h1>
>>   <p>This page demonstrates the use of Asynchronous Javascript and XML 
>>(Ajax) technology to
>>   update a web page's content by reading from a remote file 
>>dynamically -- no page reloading
>>   is required. Note that this operation does not work for users 
>>without JavaScript enabled.</p>
>>   <p id="xmlObj">
>>   This is some sample data. It is the default data for this web page. 
>><a href="data.xml"
>>   title="View the XML data." onclick="ajaxRead('data.xml'); 
>>this.style.display='none'; return false">View XML     data.</a>
>>   </p>
>> </body>
>></html>
>>
>>
>>Save this file below as UTF-8 data.xml
>>
>><?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
>><root>
>> <data>
>>   This is some sample data. It is stored in an XML file and retrieved 
>>by JavaScript.
>> </data>
>></root>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Gustav Brock wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>>    
>>
>>>Hi Bryan
>>>
>>>So no job? Or wife?? Is that what you are trying to tell?
>>>On the other hand (for the job option, cannot tell for the wife
>>>option), with your knowledge I would expect it to be easy for you to
>>>find some "new challenges" except, of course, if things are a little
>>>more complicated than they may appear to be ...
>>>
>>>Currently I'm facing some XML work. Haven't done anything with this and
>>>Access and hardly know where to look except browsing this list ...
>>>So an XML cookbook or guide is a suggestion.
>>>
>>>/gustav
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>   
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>>>>carbonnb at sympatico.ca 08/16 3:45 am >>>
>>>>>>      
>>>>>>
>>>>>>         
>>>>>>
>>>>>>            
>>>>>>
>>>I have found myself in a situation that gives me an inordinate amount 
>>>of free time and I'm looking for some ideas to fill my time.
>>>
>>>I am thinking of something that would make development easier or a 
>>>specifc app that would greatly help developers. I need something to 
>>>keep my mind active and fingers busy :)
>>>
>>>It can be anything from Access to Word to Excel (Office 2K), even VB 
>>>6.
>>>
>>>I'm open to any and all suggestion. And If I can learn something new, 
>>>that would be even better.
>>>
>>>Let the flood gates open :-)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>   
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>> 
>>
>>    
>>
>
>  
>

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Victoria, B.C.
Canada





From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com  Thu Aug 18 11:49:20 2005
From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 12:49:20 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] copy string to clipboard
Message-ID: <1D7828CDB8350747AFE9D69E0E90DA1F1484BB2B@xlivmbx21.aig.com>

It sure does, but my simple class only handles text. With sufficient
research it could be extended to handle other types of data.

Lambert

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 12:34 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] copy string to clipboard


Lambert,

Doesn't the clipboard allow multiple things to be placed in it?  I see this
effect with certain applications where the clipboard offers you the ability
to choose which item on the clipboard is the one you want.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From shamil at users.mns.ru  Thu Aug 18 12:02:24 2005
From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 21:02:24 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86873BCC@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <005201c5a416$a43268d0$6401a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru>

Charlotte,

Your <VBG> means you're interested in continuation of this subject/thread
or...?
In my plans is to extend and make all the source code available.
How soon it will happen this is an open question - I have an urgent project
here.
But I do plan to continue this thread and work if this looks interesting for
you and others here.
Maybe even make it open source project here when first useful results will
be achieved?
It would be interesting I guess to make it also XP(eXtreme Programming)
style work with your being subject area expert - I mean your best knowing in
what scenarios and in what business areas is the best to use MS Access in
bound but disconnected mode with most of the software (MS Access FE
databases) developed by power users but integrated by "mighty MS Access
developers"? :)

I know how to do all that, I know how to make MS Access applications
assembly factories etc. - I have all that experience and I can share it
if/when I will have spare time - is that interesting?

Shamil


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 7:35 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..


> Oooohhh, I think I'm in love!  <VBG>
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Shamil Salakhetdinov [mailto:shamil at users.mns.ru]
> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 4:46 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
>
>
> No, William, this is not replication - here is what I mean in short:
>
> http://www.smsconsulting.spb.ru/shamil_s/articles/ddo.htm
>
> Shamil
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "William Hindman" <dejpolsys at hotmail.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 3:47 AM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
>
>
> > Shamil
> >
> > ..I must be missing something ...that sounds like replication to me.
> >
> > William
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil at users.mns.ru>
> > To: "!DBA-MAIN" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 7:28 PM
> > Subject: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
> >
> >
> > > Hi All,
> > >
> > > I wanted to ask you - what about the subject?
> > > Anybody uses/interested to use MS Access client applications this
> > > way?
> > >
> > > Do I miss obvious (RTFM) stuff and such a disconnected mode is
> > > already implemented in MS Access and broadly used by MS Access
> > > developers? Yes,
> I
> > > know ADO recordsets can be used with bound MS Access forms etc. but
> > > this looks like a rather limited feature - am I wrong?
> > >
> > > What I mean is cashing data locally into mdbs, only the data needed
> > > for the currently open form(s) etc., processing this data and then
> > > updating backend
> > > database(mdb, MSDE, MS SQL, whatever...) - with all this cashing and
> > > updating made mostly automatically by a tiny framework code, based
> on
> > > ADO.NET...(yes, this local caching of data is not a new subject but
> > > nowadays
> > > it can be (re-)implement really scalable way with a way less efforts
> than
> > > before)
> > >
> > > Maybe MS plans to do something like that?
> > >
> > > Is that a wheel reinvention or anybody here sees such opportunity
> > > like a really useful feature in their real life projects?
> > >
> > > For me it looks like a useful feature because it could help: to get
> > > MS Access back into mainstream development area because it will
> > > allow to easily scale applications with MS Access front-ends...
> > >
> > > There are many other ideas but most of them in this "ideas pool"
> > > based
> on
> > > the subject one - if it doesn't make sense for real-life projects
> > > then
> I'd
> > > better stop working on it...
> > >
> > > What is your opinion about the subject?
> > > When you expect MS will do something like that in MS Access?
> > >
> > > Thank you,
> > > Shamil
> > >
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From shamil at users.mns.ru  Thu Aug 18 11:45:01 2005
From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 20:45:01 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8689A806@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <005101c5a416$a4051740$6401a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru>

>  If they would only consider it a development
> tool instead of a power user toy.
They(MS) seems to have VS.NET as a mainstream development tool with MS
Access becoming just a power-user toy?

> MS is moving toward XML as
> their datastore of choice for this kind of caching, and it certainly
> works and has been fairly easy to implement since at least Access 2000.
OK, what I see as the problem with all that is that when cached locally as
XML/ADO.NET datasets(behind WinForms) and one needs to implement front-end
advanced business logic they need to program a lot using navigational data
processing methods. And even ADO.NET isn' a solution here.
And if cached locally in MDB or MSDE database SQL-based(SQL as data
manipulation language I mean)  set-oriented data processing methods can be
used - so in an ideal case there will be no need to program that much
business logic for front-end applications because SQL is a very powerful
language...

> SWAG based on working extensively with VB.Net and speculating.
Sorry, what SWAG means?

>  Given
> that the next version of Access may not be available for a year or so
> and is bound to have problems at first, I think something that could be
> used now and with versions earlier than 2003 (which has its own
> problems!) is entirely sensible.
Agreed! :)
Thank you for your approval of my expectations in this area!

Shamil


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 4:42 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..


> Shamil,
>
> It looks to me like that is where MS is going with .Net, so it would be
> logical to take Access in that direction as well ... If they would only
> consider it a development tool instead of a power user toy.  I've
> certainly built applications in the past using that concept with ADO and
> unbound forms. (Hush, John, I don't want to hear about it!<g>)  I think
> we often fall back to the built in stuff because it is quick and easy,
> even though it is not necessarily efficient.  MS is moving toward XML as
> their datastore of choice for this kind of caching, and it certainly
> works and has been fairly easy to implement since at least Access 2000.
> I would expect the capability to be expanded in the next version of
> Access when it starts to catch up with Word and Excel, but that's just a
> SWAG based on working extensively with VB.Net and speculating.  Given
> that the next version of Access may not be available for a year or so
> and is bound to have problems at first, I think something that could be
> used now and with versions earlier than 2003 (which has its own
> problems!) is entirely sensible.
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Shamil Salakhetdinov [mailto:shamil at users.mns.ru]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 4:29 PM
> To: !DBA-MAIN
> Subject: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
>
>
> Hi All,
>
> I wanted to ask you - what about the subject?
> Anybody uses/interested to use MS Access client applications this way?
>
> Do I miss obvious (RTFM) stuff and such a disconnected mode is already
> implemented in MS Access and broadly used by MS Access developers? Yes,
> I know ADO recordsets can be used with bound MS Access forms etc. but
> this looks like a rather limited feature - am I wrong?
>
> What I mean is cashing data locally into mdbs, only the data needed for
> the currently open form(s) etc., processing this data and then updating
> backend database(mdb, MSDE, MS SQL, whatever...) - with all this cashing
> and updating made mostly automatically by a tiny framework code, based
> on ADO.NET...(yes, this local caching of data is not a new subject but
> nowadays it can be (re-)implement really scalable way with a way less
> efforts than
> before)
>
> Maybe MS plans to do something like that?
>
> Is that a wheel reinvention or anybody here sees such opportunity like a
> really useful feature in their real life projects?
>
> For me it looks like a useful feature because it could help: to get MS
> Access back into mainstream development area because it will allow to
> easily scale applications with MS Access front-ends...
>
> There are many other ideas but most of them in this "ideas pool" based
> on the subject one - if it doesn't make sense for real-life projects
> then I'd better stop working on it...
>
> What is your opinion about the subject?
> When you expect MS will do something like that in MS Access?
>
> Thank you,
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From shamil at users.mns.ru  Thu Aug 18 11:31:08 2005
From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 20:31:08 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
References: <0ILE00F3C5C7HZ@l-daemon>
Message-ID: <005001c5a416$a3d7ecc0$6401a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru>

Jim,

I did also work disconnected but mainly bound way since MS Access 2.0.
This wasn't my wish - customer wanted that, or I'd better say they did have
a spec where diconnected mode was used, then they decided to use MS Access
2.0 as a development tool and then they found myself and I have had nothing
to do that implement this disconnedt mode in MS Access 2.0. It worked well.
Then I worked as a small team manager here and we used disconnected bound
solution with MS Access 97 for a big accounting project etc.

>  I think ADO.Net is the same thing but
> with an automatic transmission and slick features
ADO.NET and .NET Framework allow to implement this mode in a tiny framework,
which can be used from within MS Access or other applications. This isn't
possible with ADO - or I'd better say it's a complicated and time consuming
task if ADO is used.

> M$ has finally, fully embraced this concept and I feel that is
> where the next versions of Access are going.
My bet they will have that not in the next version of MS Access but the one
after it :)

Thank you for your sharing of your experience in this area and for your
opinion!
Shamil

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 4:00 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..


> Hi Shamil:
>
> I have only (mostly) been using a style of disconnected ADO recordsets
with
> Access since 97-98. I use an Access FE for all sorts of DBs like Oracle/MS
> SQL, MySQL* (*though it needs an ODBC connection :-( ) and even MDB (but
> mostly just for temp files), singularly or in groups. The process is just
so
> fast, attaches through any reasonable connection and requires very few BE
DB
> licenses... clients save a bundle. I think ADO.Net is the same thing but
> with an automatic transmission and slick features. It should eliminate a
lot
> of coding. M$ has finally, fully embraced this concept and I feel that is
> where the next versions of Access are going.
>
> This is all my opinion of course and not meant to insight a riot.
>
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
> Salakhetdinov
> Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 4:29 PM
> To: !DBA-MAIN
> Subject: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
>
> Hi All,
>
> I wanted to ask you - what about the subject?
> Anybody uses/interested to use MS Access client applications this way?
>
> Do I miss obvious (RTFM) stuff and such a disconnected mode is already
> implemented in MS Access and broadly used by MS Access developers? Yes, I
> know ADO recordsets can be used with bound MS Access forms etc. but this
> looks like a rather limited feature - am I wrong?
>
> What I mean is cashing data locally into mdbs, only the data needed for
the
> currently open form(s) etc., processing this data and then updating
backend
> database(mdb, MSDE, MS SQL, whatever...) - with all this cashing and
> updating made mostly automatically by a tiny framework code, based on
> ADO.NET...(yes, this local caching of data is not a new subject but
nowadays
> it can be (re-)implement really scalable way with a way less efforts than
> before)
>
> Maybe MS plans to do something like that?
>
> Is that a wheel reinvention or anybody here sees such opportunity like a
> really useful feature in their real life projects?
>
> For me it looks like a useful feature because it could help: to get MS
> Access back into mainstream development area because it will allow to
easily
> scale applications with MS Access front-ends...
>
> There are many other ideas but most of them in this "ideas pool" based on
> the subject one - if it doesn't make sense for real-life projects then I'd
> better stop working on it...
>
> What is your opinion about the subject?
> When you expect MS will do something like that in MS Access?
>
> Thank you,
> Shamil
>
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From shamil at users.mns.ru  Thu Aug 18 12:15:16 2005
From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 21:15:16 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT(?): Big Design Up Front (BDUF) vs. XP any comments,
	ideas, experience?
References: <200508181621.j7IGL3R26856@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <009401c5a418$6a77e5a0$6401a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru>

<<<
I am _way_ big on BDUF! Avoid coding until the last possible moment --
that's my motto.
>>>
Arthur, but what you described  and you said "it worked brilliantly" - this
is more XP than anything else, isn't it?

Yes, I understand you're writing specs and you do a lot of upfront design -
it may happen it's not needed to do them that much upfront?
I'm not XP advocate (yet) - I'm just learning it and yet to see really big
projects developed this way but my feelings are that it's very promising and
it should give higher percent of positive results than BDUF does give - 60%
of projects fail, many go a way out of budget etc.  - these are
statistics...

No, I do not want to make "BDUF vs. XP" yet another "religious" debate
here  - I'm trying to find my best way "in between" of these two working
approaches by sharing my experience and by acquiring yours...

Shamil

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Arthur Fuller" <artful at rogers.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 8:21 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT(?): Big Design Up Front (BDUF) vs. XP any
comments,ideas, experience?


> About a decade ago I headed a development team for an insurance company.
> Half the job was to take some mainframe programmers and acquaint them with
> PC development tools and best practices. XP was not a big thing then, but
I
> improvised an approximation of it at that time. I started with 2
> programmers, and had them sit with me as I coded. They were learning lots
of
> things at once -- syntax, editor keystrokes, shortcuts, etc. At first I
was
> moving so quickly that they couldn't even see what I was doing
(particularly
> in the editor itself), but a few explanations and we were over that hump.
> The hardest thing to teach them was "1 proc does exactly one thing"... No,
> upon reflection, the hardest thing to teach them was "avoid coding until
the
> last possible moment." The first two programmers then took on a programmer
> each and repeated the "semester", as it were, and then those two took on a
> programmer each. By the end of the project, we had a team of capable
> programmers, and we stuck to the rule of "two programmers per keyboard"
all
> the way through the project. It worked brilliantly -- about equivalent to
> debugging while writing the code. The second programmer might watch the
> first start a recursive routine and say, "Hey, wait, let's break it out
into
> two routines and avoid the recursion problems." They might kick it around
> for a bit before choosing one or the other approach, and also document why
> they elected that choice.
>
> I am _way_ big on BDUF! Avoid coding until the last possible moment --
> that's my motto. I started out as a cowboy coder, but no more. I spend a
> _lot_ of time db-design tools such as DeZign, and I don't even begin
> creating sample data until I've been through about 3 revisions of the
given
> DB design. Then I write use-cases describing each function the software
must
> perform, using English not pseudo-code -- in fact, I have learned to avoid
> any specific references to tables, and instead to write such statements
as,
> "When the user selects a product and quantity she wishes to buy, place a
> 5-minute hold on that quantity. When the user's credit card payment is
> authorized, deplete inventory by the specified quantity and remove the
> hold."
>
> Once the DB design is finalized, and the purpose of each table, view,
sproc
> and UDF described, then even a relatively new hire can take the spec
> described above and implement it easily. In the example I gave, there are
> the following steps:
>
> 1. Obtain the product ID and desired quantity
> 2. Check to see said quantity exists (we'll sidestep the issue of
> back-orders for now).
> 3. Place a hold on said quantity, with a timer mechanism of some sort (SQL
> Server is great at this, much better than an Access timer).
> 4. Obtain the credit card info, fire it off and check the return status.
> 5. If the payment went through, deplete the quantity available.
> 6. Remove the hold.
>
> Each of these steps can be reduced to exactly one procedure. You (as
> manager) could even assign each step to a different programmer. So long as
> the DB design is solid, there should be no issues.
>
> I haven't read either book you mentioned, but I'll put them on my list of
> things to read.
>
> Arthur
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
> Salakhetdinov
> Sent: August 18, 2005 5:50 AM
> To: !DBA-MAIN
> Subject: [AccessD] OT(?): Big Design Up Front (BDUF) vs. XP any
> comments,ideas, experience?
>
> Hi All,
>
> I've got this this today from JoelOnSoftware subscription list:
>
> <<<<<<
> "As I worked through the screens that would be needed to allow
> either party to initiate the process, I realized that Aardvark
> would be just as useful, and radically simpler, if the helper
> was required to start the whole process. Making this change in
> the spec took an hour or two. If we had made this change in code,
> it would have added weeks to the schedule. I can't tell you how
> strongly I believe in Big Design Up Front, which the proponents
> of Extreme Programming consider anathema. I have consistently
> saved time and made better products by using BDUF and I'm proud
> to use it, no matter what the XP fanatics claim. They're just
> wrong on this point and I can't be any clearer than that."
>
> - From my latest article:
>
>   The Project Aardvark Spec
>   http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/AardvarkSpec.html
> >>>>>
> No comments.
>
> It happened that I'm currently reading:
>
> "Microsoft Object Thinking"
> by David West
> ISBN:0735619654
> Microsoft Press C 2004
>
> and
>
> "Extreme Programming Adventures in C# "
> by Ron Jeffries
> ISBN:0735619492
> Microsoft Press C 2004
>
> These two books are from Microsoft Press and they have a lot of useful
> information on eXterme Programming, Unit Testing and Classical(Behavioral)
> vs. currently existing in most implementations "real life" UML-based(RUP)
> OOD&P.
>
> When MS Press publishes books on such more computer-science than
> used in real life projects subjects then they are very probably
"cultivating
> the ground" for the soon to become true "dreams". (I remember I watched a
> movie "Microsoft, Year 2004"(form MS of course) somewhere in year 1995 or
> so - and as I see now their by that time science-fiction is now real-life,
> exactly in year 2004-2005.
>
> I must say I impressed with both books (and there are just a few technical
> books I liked because most of them are just "chewing" MSDN or other docs
> without almost any new ideas).
> The more I read them the more I like them and I see a lot of sense in what
> is written in them and I see a lot of my own ideas and experience are
there
> too.  I'm glad my thinking is in the mainstream (of course what they say
is
> much more elaborated and thought through and based on their own rich
> experience).
>
> So my guess/thinking is that XP, Unit Testing and Behavioral (Extreme)
> OOD&P are becoming mainstream for real-life development of the projects of
> any size - in fact as authors of these books state (based on  their
> experience)  that the stuff they are writing about is the "only" agile way
> to solve the challenges of nowadays customers and projects requests. And
> they are not fanatics I think - they base their writing on deep analysis
of
> all the previous 50 years experience in software development and not only
in
> software -  "Microsoft Object Thinking"  is more philosophical than
> technical book and it has quotes from Plato (year 400 B.C.) - these quotes
> are used to explain how to "attack" complicated/vague projects'
> requirements...
>
>
> What do you think about the subject and related issues?
>
> Do we need Access/VBA Unit Testing added here -
> http://opensourcetesting.org/unit_misc.php (Open source tools for software
> testing professionals) - it can be done - does it make sense?
>
> Shamil
>
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From jmhecht at earthlink.net  Thu Aug 18 12:20:07 2005
From: jmhecht at earthlink.net (Joe Hecht)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 10:20:07 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] MDE question
In-Reply-To: <4304B2E3.16275.1A65F03@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <E1E5o3h-00029q-IK@smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net>

So I should write in XP and then port up to 2K3.
Ten user would need to select proper version for their system.

Or start in 2K3 and go down to XP.

I would have 2 mde files of same app.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 11:10 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] MDE question

On 17 Aug 2005 at 21:53, Joe Hecht wrote:

> If I do an app in Access 2K3 and make an .mde out if it will older
versions
> of Access be able to use it?
>  

No, and future versions probably won't be able to either - at least that's 
been the case up to now.




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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu Aug 18 12:27:05 2005
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 10:27:05 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] MDE question
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86873BCE@infoserver01.infostat.local>

You can use an XP mde in either XP or 2003.  You cannot create an XP mde
in 2003 or vice versa, and you cannot use a 2003 mde in XP.

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Hecht [mailto:jmhecht at earthlink.net] 
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 10:20 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MDE question


So I should write in XP and then port up to 2K3.
Ten user would need to select proper version for their system.

Or start in 2K3 and go down to XP.

I would have 2 mde files of same app.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart
McLachlan
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 11:10 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] MDE question

On 17 Aug 2005 at 21:53, Joe Hecht wrote:

> If I do an app in Access 2K3 and make an .mde out if it will older
versions
> of Access be able to use it?
>  

No, and future versions probably won't be able to either - at least
that's 
been the case up to now.




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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu Aug 18 12:30:33 2005
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 10:30:33 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86873BCF@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Not interesting, Shamil, FASCINATING!  Yes, I do hope you continue this
thread.  Please!  I've often thought of this kind of thing but have
never had time to really pursue it.

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Shamil Salakhetdinov [mailto:shamil at users.mns.ru] 
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 10:02 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..


Charlotte,

Your <VBG> means you're interested in continuation of this
subject/thread or...? In my plans is to extend and make all the source
code available. How soon it will happen this is an open question - I
have an urgent project here. But I do plan to continue this thread and
work if this looks interesting for you and others here. Maybe even make
it open source project here when first useful results will be achieved?
It would be interesting I guess to make it also XP(eXtreme Programming)
style work with your being subject area expert - I mean your best
knowing in what scenarios and in what business areas is the best to use
MS Access in bound but disconnected mode with most of the software (MS
Access FE
databases) developed by power users but integrated by "mighty MS Access
developers"? :)

I know how to do all that, I know how to make MS Access applications
assembly factories etc. - I have all that experience and I can share it
if/when I will have spare time - is that interesting?

Shamil


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 7:35 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..


> Oooohhh, I think I'm in love!  <VBG>
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Shamil Salakhetdinov [mailto:shamil at users.mns.ru]
> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 4:46 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
>
>
> No, William, this is not replication - here is what I mean in short:
>
> http://www.smsconsulting.spb.ru/shamil_s/articles/ddo.htm
>
> Shamil
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "William Hindman" <dejpolsys at hotmail.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 3:47 AM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
>
>
> > Shamil
> >
> > ..I must be missing something ...that sounds like replication to me.
> >
> > William
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil at users.mns.ru>
> > To: "!DBA-MAIN" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 7:28 PM
> > Subject: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
> >
> >
> > > Hi All,
> > >
> > > I wanted to ask you - what about the subject?
> > > Anybody uses/interested to use MS Access client applications this 
> > > way?
> > >
> > > Do I miss obvious (RTFM) stuff and such a disconnected mode is 
> > > already implemented in MS Access and broadly used by MS Access 
> > > developers? Yes,
> I
> > > know ADO recordsets can be used with bound MS Access forms etc. 
> > > but this looks like a rather limited feature - am I wrong?
> > >
> > > What I mean is cashing data locally into mdbs, only the data 
> > > needed for the currently open form(s) etc., processing this data 
> > > and then updating backend database(mdb, MSDE, MS SQL, whatever...)

> > > - with all this cashing and updating made mostly automatically by 
> > > a tiny framework code, based
> on
> > > ADO.NET...(yes, this local caching of data is not a new subject 
> > > but nowadays it can be (re-)implement really scalable way with a 
> > > way less efforts
> than
> > > before)
> > >
> > > Maybe MS plans to do something like that?
> > >
> > > Is that a wheel reinvention or anybody here sees such opportunity 
> > > like a really useful feature in their real life projects?
> > >
> > > For me it looks like a useful feature because it could help: to 
> > > get MS Access back into mainstream development area because it 
> > > will allow to easily scale applications with MS Access 
> > > front-ends...
> > >
> > > There are many other ideas but most of them in this "ideas pool" 
> > > based
> on
> > > the subject one - if it doesn't make sense for real-life projects 
> > > then
> I'd
> > > better stop working on it...
> > >
> > > What is your opinion about the subject?
> > > When you expect MS will do something like that in MS Access?
> > >
> > > Thank you,
> > > Shamil
> > >
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu Aug 18 12:34:02 2005
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 10:34:02 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86873BD0@infoserver01.infostat.local>

>MS Access becoming just a power-user toy?
I believe the actual MS quote described Access as "a landing pad for
data"!

SWAG:  Scientific Wild A** Guess <g>


Charlotte


-----Original Message-----
From: Shamil Salakhetdinov [mailto:shamil at users.mns.ru] 
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 9:45 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..


>  If they would only consider it a development
> tool instead of a power user toy.
They(MS) seems to have VS.NET as a mainstream development tool with MS
Access becoming just a power-user toy?

> MS is moving toward XML as
> their datastore of choice for this kind of caching, and it certainly 
> works and has been fairly easy to implement since at least Access 
> 2000.
OK, what I see as the problem with all that is that when cached locally
as XML/ADO.NET datasets(behind WinForms) and one needs to implement
front-end advanced business logic they need to program a lot using
navigational data processing methods. And even ADO.NET isn' a solution
here. And if cached locally in MDB or MSDE database SQL-based(SQL as
data manipulation language I mean)  set-oriented data processing methods
can be used - so in an ideal case there will be no need to program that
much business logic for front-end applications because SQL is a very
powerful language...

> SWAG based on working extensively with VB.Net and speculating.
Sorry, what SWAG means?

>  Given
> that the next version of Access may not be available for a year or so 
> and is bound to have problems at first, I think something that could 
> be used now and with versions earlier than 2003 (which has its own
> problems!) is entirely sensible.
Agreed! :)
Thank you for your approval of my expectations in this area!

Shamil


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 4:42 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..


> Shamil,
>
> It looks to me like that is where MS is going with .Net, so it would 
> be logical to take Access in that direction as well ... If they would 
> only consider it a development tool instead of a power user toy.  I've

> certainly built applications in the past using that concept with ADO 
> and unbound forms. (Hush, John, I don't want to hear about it!<g>)  I 
> think we often fall back to the built in stuff because it is quick and

> easy, even though it is not necessarily efficient.  MS is moving 
> toward XML as their datastore of choice for this kind of caching, and 
> it certainly works and has been fairly easy to implement since at 
> least Access 2000. I would expect the capability to be expanded in the

> next version of Access when it starts to catch up with Word and Excel,

> but that's just a SWAG based on working extensively with VB.Net and 
> speculating.  Given that the next version of Access may not be 
> available for a year or so and is bound to have problems at first, I 
> think something that could be used now and with versions earlier than 
> 2003 (which has its own
> problems!) is entirely sensible.
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Shamil Salakhetdinov [mailto:shamil at users.mns.ru]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 4:29 PM
> To: !DBA-MAIN
> Subject: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
>
>
> Hi All,
>
> I wanted to ask you - what about the subject?
> Anybody uses/interested to use MS Access client applications this way?
>
> Do I miss obvious (RTFM) stuff and such a disconnected mode is already

> implemented in MS Access and broadly used by MS Access developers? 
> Yes, I know ADO recordsets can be used with bound MS Access forms etc.

> but this looks like a rather limited feature - am I wrong?
>
> What I mean is cashing data locally into mdbs, only the data needed 
> for the currently open form(s) etc., processing this data and then 
> updating backend database(mdb, MSDE, MS SQL, whatever...) - with all 
> this cashing and updating made mostly automatically by a tiny 
> framework code, based on ADO.NET...(yes, this local caching of data is

> not a new subject but nowadays it can be (re-)implement really 
> scalable way with a way less efforts than
> before)
>
> Maybe MS plans to do something like that?
>
> Is that a wheel reinvention or anybody here sees such opportunity like

> a really useful feature in their real life projects?
>
> For me it looks like a useful feature because it could help: to get MS

> Access back into mainstream development area because it will allow to 
> easily scale applications with MS Access front-ends...
>
> There are many other ideas but most of them in this "ideas pool" based

> on the subject one - if it doesn't make sense for real-life projects 
> then I'd better stop working on it...
>
> What is your opinion about the subject?
> When you expect MS will do something like that in MS Access?
>
> Thank you,
> Shamil
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Aug 18 12:40:25 2005
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 10:40:25 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
In-Reply-To: <002001c5a3ea$66b59c60$6401a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru>
Message-ID: <0ILF00G64IFD9M@l-daemon>

Hi Shamil: 

It looks very interesting.  Wonder what object was referenced in Access to
allow access to FrameWorks' ADO.Net library.

Jim  

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
Salakhetdinov
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 4:46 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..

No, William, this is not replication - here is what I mean in short:

http://www.smsconsulting.spb.ru/shamil_s/articles/ddo.htm

Shamil

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "William Hindman" <dejpolsys at hotmail.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 3:47 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..


> Shamil
>
> ..I must be missing something ...that sounds like replication to me.
>
> William
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil at users.mns.ru>
> To: "!DBA-MAIN" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 7:28 PM
> Subject: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
>
>
> > Hi All,
> >
> > I wanted to ask you - what about the subject?
> > Anybody uses/interested to use MS Access client applications this way?
> >
> > Do I miss obvious (RTFM) stuff and such a disconnected mode is already
> > implemented in MS Access and broadly used by MS Access developers? Yes,
I
> > know ADO recordsets can be used with bound MS Access forms etc. but this
> > looks like a rather limited feature - am I wrong?
> >
> > What I mean is cashing data locally into mdbs, only the data needed for
> > the
> > currently open form(s) etc., processing this data and then updating
> > backend
> > database(mdb, MSDE, MS SQL, whatever...) - with all this cashing and
> > updating made mostly automatically by a tiny framework code, based on
> > ADO.NET...(yes, this local caching of data is not a new subject but
> > nowadays
> > it can be (re-)implement really scalable way with a way less efforts
than
> > before)
> >
> > Maybe MS plans to do something like that?
> >
> > Is that a wheel reinvention or anybody here sees such opportunity like a
> > really useful feature in their real life projects?
> >
> > For me it looks like a useful feature because it could help: to get MS
> > Access back into mainstream development area because it will allow to
> > easily
> > scale applications with MS Access front-ends...
> >
> > There are many other ideas but most of them in this "ideas pool" based
on
> > the subject one - if it doesn't make sense for real-life projects then
I'd
> > better stop working on it...
> >
> > What is your opinion about the subject?
> > When you expect MS will do something like that in MS Access?
> >
> > Thank you,
> > Shamil
> >
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From shamil at users.mns.ru  Thu Aug 18 13:04:12 2005
From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 22:04:12 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86873BCF@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <002a01c5a41f$40083bb0$6401a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru>

> but have never had time to really pursue it.
Yes, the same thoughts/experience here.
Finally ADO.NET and WithEvents should make it rather easy to implement...

I think/plan, I will return to this subject end of the next week, hopefully
with some new results to publish as public domain/open source...

Meanwhile I have to finish reading two books about XP in C#  and "MS Object
Thinking" and make some experiments in ADO.NET and a good progress in a
pending urgent project...

Any ideas about directions in which to develop this small project are very
welcome!

Thank you for your support!

Shamil


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 9:30 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..


> Not interesting, Shamil, FASCINATING!  Yes, I do hope you continue this
> thread.  Please!  I've often thought of this kind of thing but have
> never had time to really pursue it.
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Shamil Salakhetdinov [mailto:shamil at users.mns.ru]
> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 10:02 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
>
>
> Charlotte,
>
> Your <VBG> means you're interested in continuation of this
> subject/thread or...? In my plans is to extend and make all the source
> code available. How soon it will happen this is an open question - I
> have an urgent project here. But I do plan to continue this thread and
> work if this looks interesting for you and others here. Maybe even make
> it open source project here when first useful results will be achieved?
> It would be interesting I guess to make it also XP(eXtreme Programming)
> style work with your being subject area expert - I mean your best
> knowing in what scenarios and in what business areas is the best to use
> MS Access in bound but disconnected mode with most of the software (MS
> Access FE
> databases) developed by power users but integrated by "mighty MS Access
> developers"? :)
>
> I know how to do all that, I know how to make MS Access applications
> assembly factories etc. - I have all that experience and I can share it
> if/when I will have spare time - is that interesting?
>
> Shamil
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 7:35 PM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
>
>
> > Oooohhh, I think I'm in love!  <VBG>
> >
> > Charlotte Foust
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Shamil Salakhetdinov [mailto:shamil at users.mns.ru]
> > Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 4:46 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
> >
> >
> > No, William, this is not replication - here is what I mean in short:
> >
> > http://www.smsconsulting.spb.ru/shamil_s/articles/ddo.htm
> >
> > Shamil
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "William Hindman" <dejpolsys at hotmail.com>
> > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 3:47 AM
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
> >
> >
> > > Shamil
> > >
> > > ..I must be missing something ...that sounds like replication to me.
> > >
> > > William
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil at users.mns.ru>
> > > To: "!DBA-MAIN" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 7:28 PM
> > > Subject: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
> > >
> > >
> > > > Hi All,
> > > >
> > > > I wanted to ask you - what about the subject?
> > > > Anybody uses/interested to use MS Access client applications this
> > > > way?
> > > >
> > > > Do I miss obvious (RTFM) stuff and such a disconnected mode is
> > > > already implemented in MS Access and broadly used by MS Access
> > > > developers? Yes,
> > I
> > > > know ADO recordsets can be used with bound MS Access forms etc.
> > > > but this looks like a rather limited feature - am I wrong?
> > > >
> > > > What I mean is cashing data locally into mdbs, only the data
> > > > needed for the currently open form(s) etc., processing this data
> > > > and then updating backend database(mdb, MSDE, MS SQL, whatever...)
>
> > > > - with all this cashing and updating made mostly automatically by
> > > > a tiny framework code, based
> > on
> > > > ADO.NET...(yes, this local caching of data is not a new subject
> > > > but nowadays it can be (re-)implement really scalable way with a
> > > > way less efforts
> > than
> > > > before)
> > > >
> > > > Maybe MS plans to do something like that?
> > > >
> > > > Is that a wheel reinvention or anybody here sees such opportunity
> > > > like a really useful feature in their real life projects?
> > > >
> > > > For me it looks like a useful feature because it could help: to
> > > > get MS Access back into mainstream development area because it
> > > > will allow to easily scale applications with MS Access
> > > > front-ends...
> > > >
> > > > There are many other ideas but most of them in this "ideas pool"
> > > > based
> > on
> > > > the subject one - if it doesn't make sense for real-life projects
> > > > then
> > I'd
> > > > better stop working on it...
> > > >
> > > > What is your opinion about the subject?
> > > > When you expect MS will do something like that in MS Access?
> > > >
> > > > Thank you,
> > > > Shamil
> > > >
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From artful at rogers.com  Thu Aug 18 13:01:43 2005
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 14:01:43 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Storing Files in Directories
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86873BD0@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <200508181801.j7II1oR20260@databaseadvisors.com>

The current client has distinct preferences about how files ought to be
stored. 

A client has 1:M projects.
A project has 1:M assessments.
An assessment concerns exactly one workstation.
The resulting document must come out reflecting all workstations involved in
said project for said client (this part is trivial).

The client app's native directory is c:\MyClient. The subdir for said
reports is c:\MyClient\reports.

The client wants me to create a dir for each project and then plant the
related documents in said project-subdir.

This says to me that the Client table contains a directory name, and that
the ClientProjects table also contains a directory name, and that given
project 12356 I concatenate the above two values, plus the unique
identifier, and create a file called "c:\MyClient\HerClient\Reports\" &
Unique_ID & ".doc" (the resultant docs are all Word files).

1. I have so far created the said doc from a template: no problems there.
But I would like also to supply the concatenated filename so that a simple
click on the Save button causes the file to be saved. (I should mention that
the docs spit out by the Access app _always_ require editing; else we would
simply dump an Access report.)

Given that the client is CharlotteFoust and that her docs get sent to
c:\MyClient\HerClient\CharlotteFoust, then I want Word to realize that the
created document should be called "c:\MyClient\HerClient\CharlotteFoust\" &
Unique_ID & ".doc" -- and placed in subdir (create if required) Project
20050818.

I don't want the user to have to name the file. I want that to have already
been done, so she can click Save after her edits and that's that.

Had I been granted the discretion to design this particular model, I would
not have chosen this path. That however is not the issue. The issue is that
the client and her employees want to do it this way. 

Advice, guidance, assaults on the model, all gratefully accepted.




From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Thu Aug 18 13:05:22 2005
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (DWUTKA at marlow.com)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 13:05:22 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Storing Files in Directories
Message-ID: <123701F54509D9119A4F00D0B747349016DDAB@main2.marlow.com>

Not sure where you are having problems.

Code produces data, which you write to file in appropriate place (checking
for existance of path...creating as necessary).  File written, open file for
editing in Word.  File is already saved in correct place with correct name,
so the default 'save' in Word will write to the same spot.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Arthur Fuller [mailto:artful at rogers.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 1:02 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Storing Files in Directories


The current client has distinct preferences about how files ought to be
stored. 

A client has 1:M projects.
A project has 1:M assessments.
An assessment concerns exactly one workstation.
The resulting document must come out reflecting all workstations involved in
said project for said client (this part is trivial).

The client app's native directory is c:\MyClient. The subdir for said
reports is c:\MyClient\reports.

The client wants me to create a dir for each project and then plant the
related documents in said project-subdir.

This says to me that the Client table contains a directory name, and that
the ClientProjects table also contains a directory name, and that given
project 12356 I concatenate the above two values, plus the unique
identifier, and create a file called "c:\MyClient\HerClient\Reports\" &
Unique_ID & ".doc" (the resultant docs are all Word files).

1. I have so far created the said doc from a template: no problems there.
But I would like also to supply the concatenated filename so that a simple
click on the Save button causes the file to be saved. (I should mention that
the docs spit out by the Access app _always_ require editing; else we would
simply dump an Access report.)

Given that the client is CharlotteFoust and that her docs get sent to
c:\MyClient\HerClient\CharlotteFoust, then I want Word to realize that the
created document should be called "c:\MyClient\HerClient\CharlotteFoust\" &
Unique_ID & ".doc" -- and placed in subdir (create if required) Project
20050818.

I don't want the user to have to name the file. I want that to have already
been done, so she can click Save after her edits and that's that.

Had I been granted the discretion to design this particular model, I would
not have chosen this path. That however is not the issue. The issue is that
the client and her employees want to do it this way. 

Advice, guidance, assaults on the model, all gratefully accepted.


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From shamil at users.mns.ru  Thu Aug 18 13:24:15 2005
From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 22:24:15 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
References: <0ILF00G64IFD9M@l-daemon>
Message-ID: <008501c5a422$1e7dee60$6401a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru>

> Wonder what object was referenced in Access to
> allow access to FrameWorks' ADO.Net library
I did write these objects (classes to instantiate and use these objects):

DDO.Database
DDO.Dataset

in C# and I did put them in a Class Library.
Compiled Class Library is a .NET  Framework DLL.
And this class library's classes and interfaces can be exposed as COM
objects/interfaces using attributes and being exported in a COM type
library - these are called COM Callable Wrappers (CCW) .
Therefore they can be used from MS Access VBA as COM objects.
This is well known and rather easy stuff in .NET Framework.

I plan to publish all this Class Library source code and more, hopefully end
of the next week...

Shamil

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 9:40 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..


> Hi Shamil:
>
> It looks very interesting.  Wonder what object was referenced in Access to
> allow access to FrameWorks' ADO.Net library.
>
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
> Salakhetdinov
> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 4:46 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
>
> No, William, this is not replication - here is what I mean in short:
>
> http://www.smsconsulting.spb.ru/shamil_s/articles/ddo.htm
>
> Shamil
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "William Hindman" <dejpolsys at hotmail.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 3:47 AM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
>
>
> > Shamil
> >
> > ..I must be missing something ...that sounds like replication to me.
> >
> > William
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil at users.mns.ru>
> > To: "!DBA-MAIN" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 7:28 PM
> > Subject: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
> >
> >
> > > Hi All,
> > >
> > > I wanted to ask you - what about the subject?
> > > Anybody uses/interested to use MS Access client applications this way?
> > >
> > > Do I miss obvious (RTFM) stuff and such a disconnected mode is already
> > > implemented in MS Access and broadly used by MS Access developers?
Yes,
> I
> > > know ADO recordsets can be used with bound MS Access forms etc. but
this
> > > looks like a rather limited feature - am I wrong?
> > >
> > > What I mean is cashing data locally into mdbs, only the data needed
for
> > > the
> > > currently open form(s) etc., processing this data and then updating
> > > backend
> > > database(mdb, MSDE, MS SQL, whatever...) - with all this cashing and
> > > updating made mostly automatically by a tiny framework code, based on
> > > ADO.NET...(yes, this local caching of data is not a new subject but
> > > nowadays
> > > it can be (re-)implement really scalable way with a way less efforts
> than
> > > before)
> > >
> > > Maybe MS plans to do something like that?
> > >
> > > Is that a wheel reinvention or anybody here sees such opportunity like
a
> > > really useful feature in their real life projects?
> > >
> > > For me it looks like a useful feature because it could help: to get MS
> > > Access back into mainstream development area because it will allow to
> > > easily
> > > scale applications with MS Access front-ends...
> > >
> > > There are many other ideas but most of them in this "ideas pool" based
> on
> > > the subject one - if it doesn't make sense for real-life projects then
> I'd
> > > better stop working on it...
> > >
> > > What is your opinion about the subject?
> > > When you expect MS will do something like that in MS Access?
> > >
> > > Thank you,
> > > Shamil
> > >
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu Aug 18 13:23:58 2005
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 11:23:58 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86873BD2@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Yes, I work with ADO.Net a lot, but in VB.Net, not Access, and I haven't
even looked at C#.  Most of my time is now spent in VB.Net, but I keep
thinking of how nice it would be to be able to do some of these things
with Access ... Like Nunit testing, for instance.  Now THERE's a topic I
could get excited about if someone would like to rewrite it to work with
VBA ... Hint, hint, hint. ;-}

Charlotte


-----Original Message-----
From: Shamil Salakhetdinov [mailto:shamil at users.mns.ru] 
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 11:04 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..


> but have never had time to really pursue it.
Yes, the same thoughts/experience here.
Finally ADO.NET and WithEvents should make it rather easy to
implement...

I think/plan, I will return to this subject end of the next week,
hopefully with some new results to publish as public domain/open
source...

Meanwhile I have to finish reading two books about XP in C#  and "MS
Object Thinking" and make some experiments in ADO.NET and a good
progress in a pending urgent project...

Any ideas about directions in which to develop this small project are
very welcome!

Thank you for your support!

Shamil


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 9:30 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..


> Not interesting, Shamil, FASCINATING!  Yes, I do hope you continue 
> this thread.  Please!  I've often thought of this kind of thing but 
> have never had time to really pursue it.
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Shamil Salakhetdinov [mailto:shamil at users.mns.ru]
> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 10:02 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
>
>
> Charlotte,
>
> Your <VBG> means you're interested in continuation of this 
> subject/thread or...? In my plans is to extend and make all the source

> code available. How soon it will happen this is an open question - I 
> have an urgent project here. But I do plan to continue this thread and

> work if this looks interesting for you and others here. Maybe even 
> make it open source project here when first useful results will be 
> achieved? It would be interesting I guess to make it also XP(eXtreme 
> Programming) style work with your being subject area expert - I mean 
> your best knowing in what scenarios and in what business areas is the 
> best to use MS Access in bound but disconnected mode with most of the 
> software (MS Access FE
> databases) developed by power users but integrated by "mighty MS 
> Access developers"? :)
>
> I know how to do all that, I know how to make MS Access applications 
> assembly factories etc. - I have all that experience and I can share 
> it if/when I will have spare time - is that interesting?
>
> Shamil
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 7:35 PM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
>
>
> > Oooohhh, I think I'm in love!  <VBG>
> >
> > Charlotte Foust
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Shamil Salakhetdinov [mailto:shamil at users.mns.ru]
> > Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 4:46 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
> >
> >
> > No, William, this is not replication - here is what I mean in short:
> >
> > http://www.smsconsulting.spb.ru/shamil_s/articles/ddo.htm
> >
> > Shamil
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "William Hindman" <dejpolsys at hotmail.com>
> > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 3:47 AM
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
> >
> >
> > > Shamil
> > >
> > > ..I must be missing something ...that sounds like replication to 
> > > me.
> > >
> > > William
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil at users.mns.ru>
> > > To: "!DBA-MAIN" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 7:28 PM
> > > Subject: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
> > >
> > >
> > > > Hi All,
> > > >
> > > > I wanted to ask you - what about the subject?
> > > > Anybody uses/interested to use MS Access client applications 
> > > > this way?
> > > >
> > > > Do I miss obvious (RTFM) stuff and such a disconnected mode is 
> > > > already implemented in MS Access and broadly used by MS Access 
> > > > developers? Yes,
> > I
> > > > know ADO recordsets can be used with bound MS Access forms etc. 
> > > > but this looks like a rather limited feature - am I wrong?
> > > >
> > > > What I mean is cashing data locally into mdbs, only the data 
> > > > needed for the currently open form(s) etc., processing this data

> > > > and then updating backend database(mdb, MSDE, MS SQL, 
> > > > whatever...)
>
> > > > - with all this cashing and updating made mostly automatically 
> > > > by a tiny framework code, based
> > on
> > > > ADO.NET...(yes, this local caching of data is not a new subject 
> > > > but nowadays it can be (re-)implement really scalable way with a

> > > > way less efforts
> > than
> > > > before)
> > > >
> > > > Maybe MS plans to do something like that?
> > > >
> > > > Is that a wheel reinvention or anybody here sees such 
> > > > opportunity like a really useful feature in their real life 
> > > > projects?
> > > >
> > > > For me it looks like a useful feature because it could help: to 
> > > > get MS Access back into mainstream development area because it 
> > > > will allow to easily scale applications with MS Access 
> > > > front-ends...
> > > >
> > > > There are many other ideas but most of them in this "ideas pool"

> > > > based
> > on
> > > > the subject one - if it doesn't make sense for real-life 
> > > > projects then
> > I'd
> > > > better stop working on it...
> > > >
> > > > What is your opinion about the subject?
> > > > When you expect MS will do something like that in MS Access?
> > > >
> > > > Thank you,
> > > > Shamil
> > > >
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From artful at rogers.com  Thu Aug 18 13:25:44 2005
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 14:25:44 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT(?): Big Design Up Front (BDUF) vs. XP any comments,
	ideas, experience?
In-Reply-To: <009401c5a418$6a77e5a0$6401a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru>
Message-ID: <200508181825.j7IIPjR26281@databaseadvisors.com>

Good reply, Shamil. I am not a fanatic (at least I don't think so LOL), but
I AM very big on BDUF -- this opinion qualified by the realization (as
captured in a famous N.A. ad wherein the guy tells you that GoodYear does
tires but now tune-ups as well. So we are caught between rock and roll and
and a hard disk: by the time you write the software, the company is in a new
business. No doubt about it, this happens! And more than once to me.

So the architecture has to be something like the correct way to design a
house: you should be able to add rooms at any moment without destroying the
scheme. Your next child might be triplets, which would in time radically
alter the design of your home.

Without wanting to lead this thread too far astray, I will mention that my
two principal influences in software design are Moshe Safde and Zakir
Hussain, the former the architect who designed Habitat and many other great
buildings, the latter probably the greatest tabla player who has ever lived.
Both are into highest-level improvisation, working from a basic set of rules
that can combine in thousands of ways. Habitat, IMO, is one of the greatest
edifices ever built. And Zakir, in the realm of music and more specifically
drumming, is without parallel. These two men are the goalposts of my
software ambitions. 

So perhaps you may think that I am contradicting myself, but I don't see it
that way. Architecture locked in space and time is dead. It must be as fluid
as improvised music -- and more importantly to this discussion, so must
software. Software must be designed with the anticipation that you will have
another child next year, and be ready to bend and fold and otherwise enhance
said child's life. If we have to rewrite, the design was wrong. We should
simply accommodate, adding a new bedroom if required but not changing the
structure of the house and neither betraying its aesthetics.

This is not simple to do. I appreciate that. I mention it as my goal not my
resume. Now and then I have come close. That is the best I can say. I am
neither Safde nor Hussain.

Look at Habitat. Listen to Track 3 on the first Shakti CD. These are my
goalposts.

Arthur

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
Salakhetdinov
Sent: August 18, 2005 1:15 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT(?): Big Design Up Front (BDUF) vs. XP any
comments,ideas, experience?

<<<
I am _way_ big on BDUF! Avoid coding until the last possible moment --
that's my motto.
>>>
Arthur, but what you described  and you said "it worked brilliantly" - this
is more XP than anything else, isn't it?

Yes, I understand you're writing specs and you do a lot of upfront design -
it may happen it's not needed to do them that much upfront?
I'm not XP advocate (yet) - I'm just learning it and yet to see really big
projects developed this way but my feelings are that it's very promising and
it should give higher percent of positive results than BDUF does give - 60%
of projects fail, many go a way out of budget etc.  - these are
statistics...

No, I do not want to make "BDUF vs. XP" yet another "religious" debate
here  - I'm trying to find my best way "in between" of these two working
approaches by sharing my experience and by acquiring yours...

Shamil

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Arthur Fuller" <artful at rogers.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 8:21 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT(?): Big Design Up Front (BDUF) vs. XP any
comments,ideas, experience?


> About a decade ago I headed a development team for an insurance company.
> Half the job was to take some mainframe programmers and acquaint them with
> PC development tools and best practices. XP was not a big thing then, but
I
> improvised an approximation of it at that time. I started with 2
> programmers, and had them sit with me as I coded. They were learning lots
of
> things at once -- syntax, editor keystrokes, shortcuts, etc. At first I
was
> moving so quickly that they couldn't even see what I was doing
(particularly
> in the editor itself), but a few explanations and we were over that hump.
> The hardest thing to teach them was "1 proc does exactly one thing"... No,
> upon reflection, the hardest thing to teach them was "avoid coding until
the
> last possible moment." The first two programmers then took on a programmer
> each and repeated the "semester", as it were, and then those two took on a
> programmer each. By the end of the project, we had a team of capable
> programmers, and we stuck to the rule of "two programmers per keyboard"
all
> the way through the project. It worked brilliantly -- about equivalent to
> debugging while writing the code. The second programmer might watch the
> first start a recursive routine and say, "Hey, wait, let's break it out
into
> two routines and avoid the recursion problems." They might kick it around
> for a bit before choosing one or the other approach, and also document why
> they elected that choice.
>
> I am _way_ big on BDUF! Avoid coding until the last possible moment --
> that's my motto. I started out as a cowboy coder, but no more. I spend a
> _lot_ of time db-design tools such as DeZign, and I don't even begin
> creating sample data until I've been through about 3 revisions of the
given
> DB design. Then I write use-cases describing each function the software
must
> perform, using English not pseudo-code -- in fact, I have learned to avoid
> any specific references to tables, and instead to write such statements
as,
> "When the user selects a product and quantity she wishes to buy, place a
> 5-minute hold on that quantity. When the user's credit card payment is
> authorized, deplete inventory by the specified quantity and remove the
> hold."
>
> Once the DB design is finalized, and the purpose of each table, view,
sproc
> and UDF described, then even a relatively new hire can take the spec
> described above and implement it easily. In the example I gave, there are
> the following steps:
>
> 1. Obtain the product ID and desired quantity
> 2. Check to see said quantity exists (we'll sidestep the issue of
> back-orders for now).
> 3. Place a hold on said quantity, with a timer mechanism of some sort (SQL
> Server is great at this, much better than an Access timer).
> 4. Obtain the credit card info, fire it off and check the return status.
> 5. If the payment went through, deplete the quantity available.
> 6. Remove the hold.
>
> Each of these steps can be reduced to exactly one procedure. You (as
> manager) could even assign each step to a different programmer. So long as
> the DB design is solid, there should be no issues.
>
> I haven't read either book you mentioned, but I'll put them on my list of
> things to read.
>
> Arthur
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
> Salakhetdinov
> Sent: August 18, 2005 5:50 AM
> To: !DBA-MAIN
> Subject: [AccessD] OT(?): Big Design Up Front (BDUF) vs. XP any
> comments,ideas, experience?
>
> Hi All,
>
> I've got this this today from JoelOnSoftware subscription list:
>
> <<<<<<
> "As I worked through the screens that would be needed to allow
> either party to initiate the process, I realized that Aardvark
> would be just as useful, and radically simpler, if the helper
> was required to start the whole process. Making this change in
> the spec took an hour or two. If we had made this change in code,
> it would have added weeks to the schedule. I can't tell you how
> strongly I believe in Big Design Up Front, which the proponents
> of Extreme Programming consider anathema. I have consistently
> saved time and made better products by using BDUF and I'm proud
> to use it, no matter what the XP fanatics claim. They're just
> wrong on this point and I can't be any clearer than that."
>
> - From my latest article:
>
>   The Project Aardvark Spec
>   http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/AardvarkSpec.html
> >>>>>
> No comments.
>
> It happened that I'm currently reading:
>
> "Microsoft Object Thinking"
> by David West
> ISBN:0735619654
> Microsoft Press C 2004
>
> and
>
> "Extreme Programming Adventures in C# "
> by Ron Jeffries
> ISBN:0735619492
> Microsoft Press C 2004
>
> These two books are from Microsoft Press and they have a lot of useful
> information on eXterme Programming, Unit Testing and Classical(Behavioral)
> vs. currently existing in most implementations "real life" UML-based(RUP)
> OOD&P.
>
> When MS Press publishes books on such more computer-science than
> used in real life projects subjects then they are very probably
"cultivating
> the ground" for the soon to become true "dreams". (I remember I watched a
> movie "Microsoft, Year 2004"(form MS of course) somewhere in year 1995 or
> so - and as I see now their by that time science-fiction is now real-life,
> exactly in year 2004-2005.
>
> I must say I impressed with both books (and there are just a few technical
> books I liked because most of them are just "chewing" MSDN or other docs
> without almost any new ideas).
> The more I read them the more I like them and I see a lot of sense in what
> is written in them and I see a lot of my own ideas and experience are
there
> too.  I'm glad my thinking is in the mainstream (of course what they say
is
> much more elaborated and thought through and based on their own rich
> experience).
>
> So my guess/thinking is that XP, Unit Testing and Behavioral (Extreme)
> OOD&P are becoming mainstream for real-life development of the projects of
> any size - in fact as authors of these books state (based on  their
> experience)  that the stuff they are writing about is the "only" agile way
> to solve the challenges of nowadays customers and projects requests. And
> they are not fanatics I think - they base their writing on deep analysis
of
> all the previous 50 years experience in software development and not only
in
> software -  "Microsoft Object Thinking"  is more philosophical than
> technical book and it has quotes from Plato (year 400 B.C.) - these quotes
> are used to explain how to "attack" complicated/vague projects'
> requirements...
>
>
> What do you think about the subject and related issues?
>
> Do we need Access/VBA Unit Testing added here -
> http://opensourcetesting.org/unit_misc.php (Open source tools for software
> testing professionals) - it can be done - does it make sense?
>
> Shamil
>
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From cyx5 at cdc.gov  Thu Aug 18 13:24:30 2005
From: cyx5 at cdc.gov (Nicholson, Karen)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 14:24:30 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Storing Files in Directories
Message-ID: <A5B5AA20555F594BA7B6BD2048E49E4376FE50@m-niosh-5.niosh.cdc.gov>

This is code that I have to create directories and then move files into
the directories.  My TN number is my unique identifier which creates a
unique directory if needed.  How are you grabbing your unique file name?
Looks like a date.  How about Date and Time so you don't get duplicate
file names?

Private Function fcnMakeDestFolder(vTNNum As Variant) As Boolean
On Error GoTo ErrorHandler

    Dim fsoDir As Object
    Dim strMsgText As String

    strMsgText = "Creating Final Project Destination Folder"
    DoCmd.OpenForm "Status Display", , , , acFormReadOnly, acDialog,
strMsgText
    
    'Check and/or create the manufacturer basic folder structure
    Set fsoDir = CreateObject("Scripting.FileSystemObject")
    If Not fsoDir.FolderExists(cProjects & strMfrCode) Then
        fsoDir.CreateFolder (cProjects & strMfrCode)
    End If
    If Not fsoDir.FolderExists(cProjects & strMfrCode & "\Approved")
Then
        fsoDir.CreateFolder (cProjects & strMfrCode & "\Approved")
    End If
    If Not fsoDir.FolderExists(cProjects & strMfrCode & "\Unapproved")
Then
        fsoDir.CreateFolder (cProjects & strMfrCode & "\Unapproved")
    End If
    If Not fsoDir.FolderExists(cProjects & strMfrCode & "\Post
Approval") Then
        fsoDir.CreateFolder (cProjects & strMfrCode & "\Post Approval")
    End If
    'Now create the new folder
    If Not fsoDir.FolderExists(cProjects & strMfrCode & "\TN" &
Format(vTNNum, "000000")) Then
        fsoDir.CreateFolder (cProjects & strMfrCode & "\TN" &
Format(vTNNum, "000000"))
    End If

    'Finally move all of the files from the standard application
directory
    'to the newly created folder.
    strMsgText = "Moving Project To Final Project Destination Folder"
    DoCmd.OpenForm "Status Display", , , , acFormReadOnly, acDialog,
strMsgText
    If fcnCopyFolders(cStdDir, cProjects & strMfrCode & "\TN" &
Format(vTNNum, "000000")) Then
        fcnMakeDestFolder = True
    Else
        fcnMakeDestFolder = False
    End If

ProcExit:
    If Not fsoDir Is Nothing Then
        Set fsoDir = Nothing
    End If
    Exit Function

ErrorHandler:
    MsgBox "The following error has occured:" & vbCrLf & _
        "Error Number: " & Err.Number & vbCrLf & _
        "Description: " & Err.Description & vbCrLf & _
        "Please contact the DEIMS system administrator with this
information.", vbOKOnly + vbCritical, _
        "Standard Application: Function Make Destination Folder"
    fcnMakeDestFolder = False
    GoTo ProcExit

End Function

'*****************
This is the function fcnCopyFolders

Public Function fcnCopyFolders(strFolderName As String, strStdDir As
String) As Boolean
On Error GoTo ErrorHandler

    'Declare Local Variables
    Dim fsoDir As Object, fsoSearchDir As Object
    Dim Folder As Object, SubFolders As Object, SubFolder As Object

    Set fsoDir = CreateObject("Scripting.FileSystemObject")
    Set Folder = fsoDir.GetFolder(strFolderName)
    Set SubFolders = Folder.SubFolders
    
    'Copy all of the subfolder objects to the standard directory
    If SubFolders.Count <> 0 Then
        For Each SubFolder In SubFolders
            fsoDir.CopyFile SubFolder.Path & "\*.*", strStdDir
        Next SubFolder
    End If

    'Copy all of the main folder objects to the standard directory
    fsoDir.CopyFile strFolderName & "\*.*", strStdDir

    fcnCopyFolders = True
    Exit Function

ErrorHandler:
    fcnCopyFolders = False

End Function 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 2:02 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Storing Files in Directories

The current client has distinct preferences about how files ought to be
stored. 

A client has 1:M projects.
A project has 1:M assessments.
An assessment concerns exactly one workstation.
The resulting document must come out reflecting all workstations
involved in said project for said client (this part is trivial).

The client app's native directory is c:\MyClient. The subdir for said
reports is c:\MyClient\reports.

The client wants me to create a dir for each project and then plant the
related documents in said project-subdir.

This says to me that the Client table contains a directory name, and
that the ClientProjects table also contains a directory name, and that
given project 12356 I concatenate the above two values, plus the unique
identifier, and create a file called "c:\MyClient\HerClient\Reports\" &
Unique_ID & ".doc" (the resultant docs are all Word files).

1. I have so far created the said doc from a template: no problems
there.
But I would like also to supply the concatenated filename so that a
simple click on the Save button causes the file to be saved. (I should
mention that the docs spit out by the Access app _always_ require
editing; else we would simply dump an Access report.)

Given that the client is CharlotteFoust and that her docs get sent to
c:\MyClient\HerClient\CharlotteFoust, then I want Word to realize that
the created document should be called
"c:\MyClient\HerClient\CharlotteFoust\" & Unique_ID & ".doc" -- and
placed in subdir (create if required) Project 20050818.

I don't want the user to have to name the file. I want that to have
already been done, so she can click Save after her edits and that's
that.

Had I been granted the discretion to design this particular model, I
would not have chosen this path. That however is not the issue. The
issue is that the client and her employees want to do it this way. 

Advice, guidance, assaults on the model, all gratefully accepted.


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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Thu Aug 18 13:32:56 2005
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 11:32:56 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] copy string to clipboard
References: <011801c5a40e$c9819fa0$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <4304D458.6080109@shaw.ca>

Long way around for a shortcut. But this might not be so safe.

'set reference to FM20.dll in windows/system32 'MS Forms 2.0 Object Library
function getclipboard() as string
Dim dobD As DataObject
 Dim strS As String
  Set dobD = New DataObject
   dobD.GetFromClipboard
  strS = dobD.GetText
'or put in formatted see object browser
 ' dobD.SetText ("Huh??")
 ' dobD.PutInClipboard
  Debug.Print strS
getclipboard= strS
   Set dobD = Nothing
End Sub

John W. Colby wrote:

>>I've even got a simple class to take care of text to and from the clipboard
>>    
>>
><g>
>
>And of course, so do I now, thanks to you.  <grin>  This is what makes this
>group great.
>
>John W. Colby
>www.ColbyConsulting.com 
>
>Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
>http://folding.stanford.edu/
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert
>Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 12:03 PM
>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] copy string to clipboard
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby
>Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 11:00 AM
>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] copy string to clipboard
>
>
>Where is the matching ClipGetText?
>
>John W. Colby
>www.ColbyConsulting.com 
>
>------------------------
>It's another simple API call...
>
>Private Declare Function GetClipboardData Lib "user32" (ByVal wFormat As
>Long) As Long
>
>I've even got a simple class to take care of text to and from the clipboard
><g>
>
>'*************************** clsClipBoard *************
>
>Option Compare Database
>Option Explicit
>
>
>
>' Obtaining Clipboard Data using API
>' (needed for VBA since no Clipboard Object) -- can also paste the data to a
>control ' *************************************************************
>
>' ******* Place following in declarations *********
>Private Declare Function OpenClipboard Lib "user32" (ByVal hWnd As Long) As
>Long Private Declare Function CloseClipboard Lib "user32" () As Long Private
>Declare Function EmptyClipboard Lib "user32" () As Long Private Declare
>Function SetClipboardData Lib "user32" (ByVal wFormat As Long, ByVal hMem As
>Long) As Long Private Declare Function GetClipboardData Lib "user32" (ByVal
>wFormat As
>Long) As Long
>Private Declare Function GlobalAlloc Lib "kernel32" (ByVal wFlags&, ByVal
>dwBytes As Long) As Long Private Declare Function GlobalLock Lib "kernel32"
>(ByVal hMem As Long) As Long Private Declare Function GlobalUnlock Lib
>"kernel32" (ByVal hMem As Long) As Long Private Declare Function GlobalSize
>Lib "kernel32" (ByVal hMem As Long) As Long Private Declare Function lstrcpy
>Lib "kernel32" (ByVal lpString1 As Any, ByVal lpString2 As Any) As Long
>
>Const GHND = &H42
>Const CF_TEXT = 1
>Const MAXSIZE = 4096
>
>Function GetTextData() As String
>   Dim hClipMemory As Long
>   Dim lpClipMemory As Long
>   Dim MyString As String
>   Dim RetVal As Long
>
>   If OpenClipboard(0&) = 0 Then
>      MsgBox "Cannot open Clipboard. Another app. may have it open", ,
>"Clipboard"
>
>      Exit Function
>   End If
>
>   ' Obtain the handle to the global memory
>   ' block that is referencing the text.
>   hClipMemory = GetClipboardData(CF_TEXT)
>   If IsNull(hClipMemory) Then
>      MsgBox "Could not allocate memory", , "Clipboard"
>   Else
>   
>      ' Lock Clipboard memory so we can reference
>      ' the actual data string.
>      lpClipMemory = GlobalLock(hClipMemory)
>   
>      If Not IsNull(lpClipMemory) Then
>   
>         MyString = SPACE$(MAXSIZE)
>         RetVal = lstrcpy(MyString, lpClipMemory)
>         RetVal = GlobalUnlock(hClipMemory)
>   
>         ' Peel off the null terminating character.
>         MyString = uMid(MyString, 1, InStr(1, MyString, Chr$(0), 0) - 1)
>      Else
>         MsgBox "Could not lock memory to copy string from.", , "Clipboard"
>      End If
>   
>   End If
>
>   RetVal = CloseClipboard()
>   GetTextData = MyString
>
>End Function
>
>Sub SetTextData(MyString As String)
>   Dim hGlobalMemory As Long, lpGlobalMemory As Long
>   Dim hClipMemory As Long, x As Long
>
>   ' Allocate movable global memory.
>   '-------------------------------------------
>   hGlobalMemory = GlobalAlloc(GHND, Len(MyString) + 1)
>
>   ' Lock the block to get a far pointer
>   ' to this memory.
>   lpGlobalMemory = GlobalLock(hGlobalMemory)
>
>   ' Copy the string to this global memory.
>   lpGlobalMemory = lstrcpy(lpGlobalMemory, MyString)
>
>   ' Unlock the memory.
>   If GlobalUnlock(hGlobalMemory) <> 0 Then
>      MsgBox "Could not unlock memory location. Copy aborted.", ,
>"Clipboard"
>   Else
>      ' Open the Clipboard to copy data to.
>      If OpenClipboard(0&) = 0 Then
>         MsgBox "Could not open the Clipboard. Copy aborted.", , "Clipboard"
>         Exit Sub
>      End If
>   
>      ' Clear the Clipboard.
>      x = EmptyClipboard()
>   
>      ' Copy the data to the Clipboard.
>      hClipMemory = SetClipboardData(CF_TEXT, hGlobalMemory)
>   End If
>
>   If CloseClipboard() = 0 Then
>      MsgBox "Could not close Clipboard.", , "Clipboard"
>   End If
>
>End Sub
>   
>'********************************************
>  
>

-- 
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada





From shamil at users.mns.ru  Thu Aug 18 13:48:09 2005
From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 22:48:09 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86873BD2@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <002101c5a429$00e15930$6401a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru>

> Like Nunit testing, for instance.  Now THERE's a topic I
> could get excited about if someone would like to rewrite it to work with
> VBA ...
So, you wanted JUnit/NUnit ideas ported to MS Access/VBA?
We're thinking in the same direction :)
Do you think it could be broadly used? (VBA is getting "dead" language?)

Yes, VBA/Access Unit  testing can be done several ways.
I'd use open source NUnit sources for starters....
Rough estimation: not that much work - one/a couple of months  - anybody to
sponsor? :)

What about NDoc(http://ndoc.sourceforge.net/) ?
Also wanted to port it to VBA? - no problem - any sponsors? :)

Shamil

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 10:23 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..


> Yes, I work with ADO.Net a lot, but in VB.Net, not Access, and I haven't
> even looked at C#.  Most of my time is now spent in VB.Net, but I keep
> thinking of how nice it would be to be able to do some of these things
> with Access ... Like Nunit testing, for instance.  Now THERE's a topic I
> could get excited about if someone would like to rewrite it to work with
> VBA ... Hint, hint, hint. ;-}
>
> Charlotte
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Shamil Salakhetdinov [mailto:shamil at users.mns.ru]
> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 11:04 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
>
>
> > but have never had time to really pursue it.
> Yes, the same thoughts/experience here.
> Finally ADO.NET and WithEvents should make it rather easy to
> implement...
>
> I think/plan, I will return to this subject end of the next week,
> hopefully with some new results to publish as public domain/open
> source...
>
> Meanwhile I have to finish reading two books about XP in C#  and "MS
> Object Thinking" and make some experiments in ADO.NET and a good
> progress in a pending urgent project...
>
> Any ideas about directions in which to develop this small project are
> very welcome!
>
> Thank you for your support!
>
> Shamil
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 9:30 PM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
>
>
> > Not interesting, Shamil, FASCINATING!  Yes, I do hope you continue
> > this thread.  Please!  I've often thought of this kind of thing but
> > have never had time to really pursue it.
> >
> > Charlotte Foust
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Shamil Salakhetdinov [mailto:shamil at users.mns.ru]
> > Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 10:02 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
> >
> >
> > Charlotte,
> >
> > Your <VBG> means you're interested in continuation of this
> > subject/thread or...? In my plans is to extend and make all the source
>
> > code available. How soon it will happen this is an open question - I
> > have an urgent project here. But I do plan to continue this thread and
>
> > work if this looks interesting for you and others here. Maybe even
> > make it open source project here when first useful results will be
> > achieved? It would be interesting I guess to make it also XP(eXtreme
> > Programming) style work with your being subject area expert - I mean
> > your best knowing in what scenarios and in what business areas is the
> > best to use MS Access in bound but disconnected mode with most of the
> > software (MS Access FE
> > databases) developed by power users but integrated by "mighty MS
> > Access developers"? :)
> >
> > I know how to do all that, I know how to make MS Access applications
> > assembly factories etc. - I have all that experience and I can share
> > it if/when I will have spare time - is that interesting?
> >
> > Shamil
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
> > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 7:35 PM
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
> >
> >
> > > Oooohhh, I think I'm in love!  <VBG>
> > >
> > > Charlotte Foust
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Shamil Salakhetdinov [mailto:shamil at users.mns.ru]
> > > Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 4:46 AM
> > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
> > >
> > >
> > > No, William, this is not replication - here is what I mean in short:
> > >
> > > http://www.smsconsulting.spb.ru/shamil_s/articles/ddo.htm
> > >
> > > Shamil
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "William Hindman" <dejpolsys at hotmail.com>
> > > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 3:47 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
> > >
> > >
> > > > Shamil
> > > >
> > > > ..I must be missing something ...that sounds like replication to
> > > > me.
> > > >
> > > > William
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil at users.mns.ru>
> > > > To: "!DBA-MAIN" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 7:28 PM
> > > > Subject: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Hi All,
> > > > >
> > > > > I wanted to ask you - what about the subject?
> > > > > Anybody uses/interested to use MS Access client applications
> > > > > this way?
> > > > >
> > > > > Do I miss obvious (RTFM) stuff and such a disconnected mode is
> > > > > already implemented in MS Access and broadly used by MS Access
> > > > > developers? Yes,
> > > I
> > > > > know ADO recordsets can be used with bound MS Access forms etc.
> > > > > but this looks like a rather limited feature - am I wrong?
> > > > >
> > > > > What I mean is cashing data locally into mdbs, only the data
> > > > > needed for the currently open form(s) etc., processing this data
>
> > > > > and then updating backend database(mdb, MSDE, MS SQL,
> > > > > whatever...)
> >
> > > > > - with all this cashing and updating made mostly automatically
> > > > > by a tiny framework code, based
> > > on
> > > > > ADO.NET...(yes, this local caching of data is not a new subject
> > > > > but nowadays it can be (re-)implement really scalable way with a
>
> > > > > way less efforts
> > > than
> > > > > before)
> > > > >
> > > > > Maybe MS plans to do something like that?
> > > > >
> > > > > Is that a wheel reinvention or anybody here sees such
> > > > > opportunity like a really useful feature in their real life
> > > > > projects?
> > > > >
> > > > > For me it looks like a useful feature because it could help: to
> > > > > get MS Access back into mainstream development area because it
> > > > > will allow to easily scale applications with MS Access
> > > > > front-ends...
> > > > >
> > > > > There are many other ideas but most of them in this "ideas pool"
>
> > > > > based
> > > on
> > > > > the subject one - if it doesn't make sense for real-life
> > > > > projects then
> > > I'd
> > > > > better stop working on it...
> > > > >
> > > > > What is your opinion about the subject?
> > > > > When you expect MS will do something like that in MS Access?
> > > > >
> > > > > Thank you,
> > > > > Shamil
> > > > >
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From shamil at users.mns.ru  Thu Aug 18 14:13:20 2005
From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 23:13:20 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT(?): Big Design Up Front (BDUF) vs. XP any comments,
	ideas, experience?
References: <200508181825.j7IIPjR26281@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <002201c5a429$0121bd90$6401a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru>

> Both are into highest-level improvisation, working from a basic set of
rules
> that can combine in thousands of ways.
XP DOES base its core practices on improvisation and basic set of proven
rules/patterns, which can be combined in thousand ways!
And it's well known that high level improvisation is "1% inspiration, and
99% perspiration."...

> So perhaps you may think that I am contradicting myself, but I don't see
> it that way
Yes :)

> If we have to rewrite, the design was wrong. We should
> simply accommodate, adding a new bedroom if required but not changing the
> structure of the house and neither betraying its aesthetics.
I think that XP and true Classical (Behavioral) OOD&P gurus have knowledge
and experience I, mere mortal, still to try to get acquired and used in my
practice. They do state the way they work will not create any problems with
adapting software to the constantly changing business and customer
requirements. They do have experience in real life projects with very
impressive results - read the book "MS Object Thinking"...

Just think - they create low coupled, highly cohesive (with a few exposed
methods) "interlligent" objects.
These objects are independent and they just react predicted way (because
their functionality is unit tested "to death") on external signals/messages.
They subsribe to/know about/react on only the known for them
signals/messages.
They do use proven design patterns to combine all that stuff....
The often methaphor they use to explain how this system works is a traffic
light on crossroad and cars and pedestrians - they are all independent -
they just react on traffic light signals - and this system works very
well...

> Look at Habitat. Listen to Track 3 on the first Shakti CD. These are my
> goalposts.
Will do, thanks!

Shamil

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Arthur Fuller" <artful at rogers.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 10:25 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT(?): Big Design Up Front (BDUF) vs. XP any
comments,ideas, experience?


> Good reply, Shamil. I am not a fanatic (at least I don't think so LOL),
but
> I AM very big on BDUF -- this opinion qualified by the realization (as
> captured in a famous N.A. ad wherein the guy tells you that GoodYear does
> tires but now tune-ups as well. So we are caught between rock and roll and
> and a hard disk: by the time you write the software, the company is in a
new
> business. No doubt about it, this happens! And more than once to me.
>
> So the architecture has to be something like the correct way to design a
> house: you should be able to add rooms at any moment without destroying
the
> scheme. Your next child might be triplets, which would in time radically
> alter the design of your home.
>
> Without wanting to lead this thread too far astray, I will mention that my
> two principal influences in software design are Moshe Safde and Zakir
> Hussain, the former the architect who designed Habitat and many other
great
> buildings, the latter probably the greatest tabla player who has ever
lived.
> Both are into highest-level improvisation, working from a basic set of
rules
> that can combine in thousands of ways. Habitat, IMO, is one of the
greatest
> edifices ever built. And Zakir, in the realm of music and more
specifically
> drumming, is without parallel. These two men are the goalposts of my
> software ambitions.
>
> So perhaps you may think that I am contradicting myself, but I don't see
it
> that way. Architecture locked in space and time is dead. It must be as
fluid
> as improvised music -- and more importantly to this discussion, so must
> software. Software must be designed with the anticipation that you will
have
> another child next year, and be ready to bend and fold and otherwise
enhance
> said child's life. If we have to rewrite, the design was wrong. We should
> simply accommodate, adding a new bedroom if required but not changing the
> structure of the house and neither betraying its aesthetics.
>
> This is not simple to do. I appreciate that. I mention it as my goal not
my
> resume. Now and then I have come close. That is the best I can say. I am
> neither Safde nor Hussain.
>
> Look at Habitat. Listen to Track 3 on the first Shakti CD. These are my
> goalposts.
>
> Arthur
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
> Salakhetdinov
> Sent: August 18, 2005 1:15 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT(?): Big Design Up Front (BDUF) vs. XP any
> comments,ideas, experience?
>
> <<<
> I am _way_ big on BDUF! Avoid coding until the last possible moment --
> that's my motto.
> >>>
> Arthur, but what you described  and you said "it worked brilliantly" -
this
> is more XP than anything else, isn't it?
>
> Yes, I understand you're writing specs and you do a lot of upfront
design -
> it may happen it's not needed to do them that much upfront?
> I'm not XP advocate (yet) - I'm just learning it and yet to see really big
> projects developed this way but my feelings are that it's very promising
and
> it should give higher percent of positive results than BDUF does give -
60%
> of projects fail, many go a way out of budget etc.  - these are
> statistics...
>
> No, I do not want to make "BDUF vs. XP" yet another "religious" debate
> here  - I'm trying to find my best way "in between" of these two working
> approaches by sharing my experience and by acquiring yours...
>
> Shamil
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Arthur Fuller" <artful at rogers.com>
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 8:21 PM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT(?): Big Design Up Front (BDUF) vs. XP any
> comments,ideas, experience?
>
>
> > About a decade ago I headed a development team for an insurance company.
> > Half the job was to take some mainframe programmers and acquaint them
with
> > PC development tools and best practices. XP was not a big thing then,
but
> I
> > improvised an approximation of it at that time. I started with 2
> > programmers, and had them sit with me as I coded. They were learning
lots
> of
> > things at once -- syntax, editor keystrokes, shortcuts, etc. At first I
> was
> > moving so quickly that they couldn't even see what I was doing
> (particularly
> > in the editor itself), but a few explanations and we were over that
hump.
> > The hardest thing to teach them was "1 proc does exactly one thing"...
No,
> > upon reflection, the hardest thing to teach them was "avoid coding until
> the
> > last possible moment." The first two programmers then took on a
programmer
> > each and repeated the "semester", as it were, and then those two took on
a
> > programmer each. By the end of the project, we had a team of capable
> > programmers, and we stuck to the rule of "two programmers per keyboard"
> all
> > the way through the project. It worked brilliantly -- about equivalent
to
> > debugging while writing the code. The second programmer might watch the
> > first start a recursive routine and say, "Hey, wait, let's break it out
> into
> > two routines and avoid the recursion problems." They might kick it
around
> > for a bit before choosing one or the other approach, and also document
why
> > they elected that choice.
> >
> > I am _way_ big on BDUF! Avoid coding until the last possible moment --
> > that's my motto. I started out as a cowboy coder, but no more. I spend a
> > _lot_ of time db-design tools such as DeZign, and I don't even begin
> > creating sample data until I've been through about 3 revisions of the
> given
> > DB design. Then I write use-cases describing each function the software
> must
> > perform, using English not pseudo-code -- in fact, I have learned to
avoid
> > any specific references to tables, and instead to write such statements
> as,
> > "When the user selects a product and quantity she wishes to buy, place a
> > 5-minute hold on that quantity. When the user's credit card payment is
> > authorized, deplete inventory by the specified quantity and remove the
> > hold."
> >
> > Once the DB design is finalized, and the purpose of each table, view,
> sproc
> > and UDF described, then even a relatively new hire can take the spec
> > described above and implement it easily. In the example I gave, there
are
> > the following steps:
> >
> > 1. Obtain the product ID and desired quantity
> > 2. Check to see said quantity exists (we'll sidestep the issue of
> > back-orders for now).
> > 3. Place a hold on said quantity, with a timer mechanism of some sort
(SQL
> > Server is great at this, much better than an Access timer).
> > 4. Obtain the credit card info, fire it off and check the return status.
> > 5. If the payment went through, deplete the quantity available.
> > 6. Remove the hold.
> >
> > Each of these steps can be reduced to exactly one procedure. You (as
> > manager) could even assign each step to a different programmer. So long
as
> > the DB design is solid, there should be no issues.
> >
> > I haven't read either book you mentioned, but I'll put them on my list
of
> > things to read.
> >
> > Arthur
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
> > Salakhetdinov
> > Sent: August 18, 2005 5:50 AM
> > To: !DBA-MAIN
> > Subject: [AccessD] OT(?): Big Design Up Front (BDUF) vs. XP any
> > comments,ideas, experience?
> >
> > Hi All,
> >
> > I've got this this today from JoelOnSoftware subscription list:
> >
> > <<<<<<
> > "As I worked through the screens that would be needed to allow
> > either party to initiate the process, I realized that Aardvark
> > would be just as useful, and radically simpler, if the helper
> > was required to start the whole process. Making this change in
> > the spec took an hour or two. If we had made this change in code,
> > it would have added weeks to the schedule. I can't tell you how
> > strongly I believe in Big Design Up Front, which the proponents
> > of Extreme Programming consider anathema. I have consistently
> > saved time and made better products by using BDUF and I'm proud
> > to use it, no matter what the XP fanatics claim. They're just
> > wrong on this point and I can't be any clearer than that."
> >
> > - From my latest article:
> >
> >   The Project Aardvark Spec
> >   http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/AardvarkSpec.html
> > >>>>>
> > No comments.
> >
> > It happened that I'm currently reading:
> >
> > "Microsoft Object Thinking"
> > by David West
> > ISBN:0735619654
> > Microsoft Press C 2004
> >
> > and
> >
> > "Extreme Programming Adventures in C# "
> > by Ron Jeffries
> > ISBN:0735619492
> > Microsoft Press C 2004
> >
> > These two books are from Microsoft Press and they have a lot of useful
> > information on eXterme Programming, Unit Testing and
Classical(Behavioral)
> > vs. currently existing in most implementations "real life"
UML-based(RUP)
> > OOD&P.
> >
> > When MS Press publishes books on such more computer-science than
> > used in real life projects subjects then they are very probably
> "cultivating
> > the ground" for the soon to become true "dreams". (I remember I watched
a
> > movie "Microsoft, Year 2004"(form MS of course) somewhere in year 1995
or
> > so - and as I see now their by that time science-fiction is now
real-life,
> > exactly in year 2004-2005.
> >
> > I must say I impressed with both books (and there are just a few
technical
> > books I liked because most of them are just "chewing" MSDN or other docs
> > without almost any new ideas).
> > The more I read them the more I like them and I see a lot of sense in
what
> > is written in them and I see a lot of my own ideas and experience are
> there
> > too.  I'm glad my thinking is in the mainstream (of course what they say
> is
> > much more elaborated and thought through and based on their own rich
> > experience).
> >
> > So my guess/thinking is that XP, Unit Testing and Behavioral (Extreme)
> > OOD&P are becoming mainstream for real-life development of the projects
of
> > any size - in fact as authors of these books state (based on  their
> > experience)  that the stuff they are writing about is the "only" agile
way
> > to solve the challenges of nowadays customers and projects requests. And
> > they are not fanatics I think - they base their writing on deep analysis
> of
> > all the previous 50 years experience in software development and not
only
> in
> > software -  "Microsoft Object Thinking"  is more philosophical than
> > technical book and it has quotes from Plato (year 400 B.C.) - these
quotes
> > are used to explain how to "attack" complicated/vague projects'
> > requirements...
> >
> >
> > What do you think about the subject and related issues?
> >
> > Do we need Access/VBA Unit Testing added here -
> > http://opensourcetesting.org/unit_misc.php (Open source tools for
software
> > testing professionals) - it can be done - does it make sense?
> >
> > Shamil
> >
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Aug 18 14:23:06 2005
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 15:23:06 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
In-Reply-To: <002101c5a429$00e15930$6401a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru>
Message-ID: <012501c5a42a$42856fb0$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

Shamil,

Do you use Ndoc?  I was just about to post a question on how to figure that
out and tie it in to my VB.Net projects.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
Salakhetdinov
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 2:48 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..


> Like Nunit testing, for instance.  Now THERE's a topic I could get 
> excited about if someone would like to rewrite it to work with VBA ...
So, you wanted JUnit/NUnit ideas ported to MS Access/VBA?
We're thinking in the same direction :)
Do you think it could be broadly used? (VBA is getting "dead" language?)

Yes, VBA/Access Unit  testing can be done several ways.
I'd use open source NUnit sources for starters....
Rough estimation: not that much work - one/a couple of months  - anybody to
sponsor? :)

What about NDoc(http://ndoc.sourceforge.net/) ?
Also wanted to port it to VBA? - no problem - any sponsors? :)

Shamil

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 10:23 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..


> Yes, I work with ADO.Net a lot, but in VB.Net, not Access, and I 
> haven't even looked at C#.  Most of my time is now spent in VB.Net, 
> but I keep thinking of how nice it would be to be able to do some of 
> these things with Access ... Like Nunit testing, for instance.  Now 
> THERE's a topic I could get excited about if someone would like to 
> rewrite it to work with VBA ... Hint, hint, hint. ;-}
>
> Charlotte
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Shamil Salakhetdinov [mailto:shamil at users.mns.ru]
> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 11:04 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
>
>
> > but have never had time to really pursue it.
> Yes, the same thoughts/experience here.
> Finally ADO.NET and WithEvents should make it rather easy to 
> implement...
>
> I think/plan, I will return to this subject end of the next week, 
> hopefully with some new results to publish as public domain/open 
> source...
>
> Meanwhile I have to finish reading two books about XP in C#  and "MS 
> Object Thinking" and make some experiments in ADO.NET and a good 
> progress in a pending urgent project...
>
> Any ideas about directions in which to develop this small project are 
> very welcome!
>
> Thank you for your support!
>
> Shamil
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 9:30 PM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
>
>
> > Not interesting, Shamil, FASCINATING!  Yes, I do hope you continue 
> > this thread.  Please!  I've often thought of this kind of thing but 
> > have never had time to really pursue it.
> >
> > Charlotte Foust
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Shamil Salakhetdinov [mailto:shamil at users.mns.ru]
> > Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 10:02 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
> >
> >
> > Charlotte,
> >
> > Your <VBG> means you're interested in continuation of this 
> > subject/thread or...? In my plans is to extend and make all the 
> > source
>
> > code available. How soon it will happen this is an open question - I 
> > have an urgent project here. But I do plan to continue this thread 
> > and
>
> > work if this looks interesting for you and others here. Maybe even 
> > make it open source project here when first useful results will be 
> > achieved? It would be interesting I guess to make it also XP(eXtreme
> > Programming) style work with your being subject area expert - I mean 
> > your best knowing in what scenarios and in what business areas is 
> > the best to use MS Access in bound but disconnected mode with most 
> > of the software (MS Access FE
> > databases) developed by power users but integrated by "mighty MS 
> > Access developers"? :)
> >
> > I know how to do all that, I know how to make MS Access applications 
> > assembly factories etc. - I have all that experience and I can share 
> > it if/when I will have spare time - is that interesting?
> >
> > Shamil
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
> > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 7:35 PM
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
> >
> >
> > > Oooohhh, I think I'm in love!  <VBG>
> > >
> > > Charlotte Foust
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Shamil Salakhetdinov [mailto:shamil at users.mns.ru]
> > > Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 4:46 AM
> > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
> > >
> > >
> > > No, William, this is not replication - here is what I mean in 
> > > short:
> > >
> > > http://www.smsconsulting.spb.ru/shamil_s/articles/ddo.htm
> > >
> > > Shamil
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "William Hindman" <dejpolsys at hotmail.com>
> > > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
> > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 3:47 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
> > >
> > >
> > > > Shamil
> > > >
> > > > ..I must be missing something ...that sounds like replication to 
> > > > me.
> > > >
> > > > William
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil at users.mns.ru>
> > > > To: "!DBA-MAIN" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 7:28 PM
> > > > Subject: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Hi All,
> > > > >
> > > > > I wanted to ask you - what about the subject?
> > > > > Anybody uses/interested to use MS Access client applications 
> > > > > this way?
> > > > >
> > > > > Do I miss obvious (RTFM) stuff and such a disconnected mode is 
> > > > > already implemented in MS Access and broadly used by MS Access 
> > > > > developers? Yes,
> > > I
> > > > > know ADO recordsets can be used with bound MS Access forms 
> > > > > etc. but this looks like a rather limited feature - am I 
> > > > > wrong?
> > > > >
> > > > > What I mean is cashing data locally into mdbs, only the data 
> > > > > needed for the currently open form(s) etc., processing this 
> > > > > data
>
> > > > > and then updating backend database(mdb, MSDE, MS SQL,
> > > > > whatever...)
> >
> > > > > - with all this cashing and updating made mostly automatically 
> > > > > by a tiny framework code, based
> > > on
> > > > > ADO.NET...(yes, this local caching of data is not a new 
> > > > > subject but nowadays it can be (re-)implement really scalable 
> > > > > way with a
>
> > > > > way less efforts
> > > than
> > > > > before)
> > > > >
> > > > > Maybe MS plans to do something like that?
> > > > >
> > > > > Is that a wheel reinvention or anybody here sees such 
> > > > > opportunity like a really useful feature in their real life 
> > > > > projects?
> > > > >
> > > > > For me it looks like a useful feature because it could help: 
> > > > > to get MS Access back into mainstream development area because 
> > > > > it will allow to easily scale applications with MS Access 
> > > > > front-ends...
> > > > >
> > > > > There are many other ideas but most of them in this "ideas 
> > > > > pool"
>
> > > > > based
> > > on
> > > > > the subject one - if it doesn't make sense for real-life 
> > > > > projects then
> > > I'd
> > > > > better stop working on it...
> > > > >
> > > > > What is your opinion about the subject?
> > > > > When you expect MS will do something like that in MS Access?
> > > > >
> > > > > Thank you,
> > > > > Shamil
> > > > >
> > > > > --
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> > > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
> > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
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> > > > --
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> > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
> > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> > > --
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > --
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> > --
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > --
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
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From shamil at users.mns.ru  Thu Aug 18 14:46:42 2005
From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 23:46:42 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
References: <012501c5a42a$42856fb0$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <006601c5a42d$9f720320$6401a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru>

Yes, I do use it with but with C# projects.

They (MS) have XML comments in VS.NET 2005's VB.NET (to be released this
November?)

As for VB.NET in VS.NET 2003 - I have heard there is a tool to work with XML
comments in it but I don't know how good it's - this is VBCommenter -
http://www.gotdotnet.com/workspaces/workspace.aspx?id=112b5449-f702-46e2-87fa-86bdf39a17dd -
And it exports XML comments to be used by NDoc? I didn't check that but it's
stated here:

"NDoc generates class library documentation from .NET assemblies and the XML
documentation files generated by the C# compiler (or with an add-on tool for
VB.NET)." http://ndoc.sourceforge.net/

Sorry, I don't have any more info on NDoc - I did start to use it just last
month...

HTH,
Shamil

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John W. Colby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 11:23 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..


> Shamil,
>
> Do you use Ndoc?  I was just about to post a question on how to figure
that
> out and tie it in to my VB.Net projects.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
> http://folding.stanford.edu/
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
> Salakhetdinov
> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 2:48 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
>
>
> > Like Nunit testing, for instance.  Now THERE's a topic I could get
> > excited about if someone would like to rewrite it to work with VBA ...
> So, you wanted JUnit/NUnit ideas ported to MS Access/VBA?
> We're thinking in the same direction :)
> Do you think it could be broadly used? (VBA is getting "dead" language?)
>
> Yes, VBA/Access Unit  testing can be done several ways.
> I'd use open source NUnit sources for starters....
> Rough estimation: not that much work - one/a couple of months  - anybody
to
> sponsor? :)
>
> What about NDoc(http://ndoc.sourceforge.net/) ?
> Also wanted to port it to VBA? - no problem - any sponsors? :)
>
> Shamil
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 10:23 PM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
>
>
> > Yes, I work with ADO.Net a lot, but in VB.Net, not Access, and I
> > haven't even looked at C#.  Most of my time is now spent in VB.Net,
> > but I keep thinking of how nice it would be to be able to do some of
> > these things with Access ... Like Nunit testing, for instance.  Now
> > THERE's a topic I could get excited about if someone would like to
> > rewrite it to work with VBA ... Hint, hint, hint. ;-}
> >
> > Charlotte
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Shamil Salakhetdinov [mailto:shamil at users.mns.ru]
> > Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 11:04 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
> >
> >
> > > but have never had time to really pursue it.
> > Yes, the same thoughts/experience here.
> > Finally ADO.NET and WithEvents should make it rather easy to
> > implement...
> >
> > I think/plan, I will return to this subject end of the next week,
> > hopefully with some new results to publish as public domain/open
> > source...
> >
> > Meanwhile I have to finish reading two books about XP in C#  and "MS
> > Object Thinking" and make some experiments in ADO.NET and a good
> > progress in a pending urgent project...
> >
> > Any ideas about directions in which to develop this small project are
> > very welcome!
> >
> > Thank you for your support!
> >
> > Shamil
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
> > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 9:30 PM
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
> >
> >
> > > Not interesting, Shamil, FASCINATING!  Yes, I do hope you continue
> > > this thread.  Please!  I've often thought of this kind of thing but
> > > have never had time to really pursue it.
> > >
> > > Charlotte Foust
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Shamil Salakhetdinov [mailto:shamil at users.mns.ru]
> > > Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 10:02 AM
> > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
> > >
> > >
> > > Charlotte,
> > >
> > > Your <VBG> means you're interested in continuation of this
> > > subject/thread or...? In my plans is to extend and make all the
> > > source
> >
> > > code available. How soon it will happen this is an open question - I
> > > have an urgent project here. But I do plan to continue this thread
> > > and
> >
> > > work if this looks interesting for you and others here. Maybe even
> > > make it open source project here when first useful results will be
> > > achieved? It would be interesting I guess to make it also XP(eXtreme
> > > Programming) style work with your being subject area expert - I mean
> > > your best knowing in what scenarios and in what business areas is
> > > the best to use MS Access in bound but disconnected mode with most
> > > of the software (MS Access FE
> > > databases) developed by power users but integrated by "mighty MS
> > > Access developers"? :)
> > >
> > > I know how to do all that, I know how to make MS Access applications
> > > assembly factories etc. - I have all that experience and I can share
> > > it if/when I will have spare time - is that interesting?
> > >
> > > Shamil
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
> > > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 7:35 PM
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
> > >
> > >
> > > > Oooohhh, I think I'm in love!  <VBG>
> > > >
> > > > Charlotte Foust
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Shamil Salakhetdinov [mailto:shamil at users.mns.ru]
> > > > Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 4:46 AM
> > > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > No, William, this is not replication - here is what I mean in
> > > > short:
> > > >
> > > > http://www.smsconsulting.spb.ru/shamil_s/articles/ddo.htm
> > > >
> > > > Shamil
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "William Hindman" <dejpolsys at hotmail.com>
> > > > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > > Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 3:47 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Shamil
> > > > >
> > > > > ..I must be missing something ...that sounds like replication to
> > > > > me.
> > > > >
> > > > > William
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil at users.mns.ru>
> > > > > To: "!DBA-MAIN" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 7:28 PM
> > > > > Subject: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Hi All,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I wanted to ask you - what about the subject?
> > > > > > Anybody uses/interested to use MS Access client applications
> > > > > > this way?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Do I miss obvious (RTFM) stuff and such a disconnected mode is
> > > > > > already implemented in MS Access and broadly used by MS Access
> > > > > > developers? Yes,
> > > > I
> > > > > > know ADO recordsets can be used with bound MS Access forms
> > > > > > etc. but this looks like a rather limited feature - am I
> > > > > > wrong?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What I mean is cashing data locally into mdbs, only the data
> > > > > > needed for the currently open form(s) etc., processing this
> > > > > > data
> >
> > > > > > and then updating backend database(mdb, MSDE, MS SQL,
> > > > > > whatever...)
> > >
> > > > > > - with all this cashing and updating made mostly automatically
> > > > > > by a tiny framework code, based
> > > > on
> > > > > > ADO.NET...(yes, this local caching of data is not a new
> > > > > > subject but nowadays it can be (re-)implement really scalable
> > > > > > way with a
> >
> > > > > > way less efforts
> > > > than
> > > > > > before)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Maybe MS plans to do something like that?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Is that a wheel reinvention or anybody here sees such
> > > > > > opportunity like a really useful feature in their real life
> > > > > > projects?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > For me it looks like a useful feature because it could help:
> > > > > > to get MS Access back into mainstream development area because
> > > > > > it will allow to easily scale applications with MS Access
> > > > > > front-ends...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > There are many other ideas but most of them in this "ideas
> > > > > > pool"
> >
> > > > > > based
> > > > on
> > > > > > the subject one - if it doesn't make sense for real-life
> > > > > > projects then
> > > > I'd
> > > > > > better stop working on it...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What is your opinion about the subject?
> > > > > > When you expect MS will do something like that in MS Access?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thank you,
> > > > > > Shamil
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
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> > > > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > >
> > > > > --
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> > > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > AccessD mailing list
> > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
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> > > > AccessD mailing list
> > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
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> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
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> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
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> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu Aug 18 14:51:44 2005
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 12:51:44 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8689A81C@infoserver01.infostat.local>

I don't think it would be "broadly" used because it isn't used enough
now even in languages that support it, but developers who become
familiar with it, would evangalize like crazy! ;-}  I LOVE being able to
build methods and properties in the abstract and test them extensively
before I ever create a UI object that uses them.  It is really an
extension of spec writing, since you can easily model a spec and test to
see if the results you get are the ones you expect.  I've looked at the
Ndoc stuff, but  I am NOT a C (any flavor) programmer and don't want to
become one.

Charlotte


-----Original Message-----
From: Shamil Salakhetdinov [mailto:shamil at users.mns.ru] 
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 11:48 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..


> Like Nunit testing, for instance.  Now THERE's a topic I could get 
> excited about if someone would like to rewrite it to work with VBA ...
So, you wanted JUnit/NUnit ideas ported to MS Access/VBA?
We're thinking in the same direction :)
Do you think it could be broadly used? (VBA is getting "dead" language?)

Yes, VBA/Access Unit  testing can be done several ways.
I'd use open source NUnit sources for starters....
Rough estimation: not that much work - one/a couple of months  - anybody
to sponsor? :)

What about NDoc(http://ndoc.sourceforge.net/) ?
Also wanted to port it to VBA? - no problem - any sponsors? :)

Shamil

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 10:23 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..


> Yes, I work with ADO.Net a lot, but in VB.Net, not Access, and I 
> haven't even looked at C#.  Most of my time is now spent in VB.Net, 
> but I keep thinking of how nice it would be to be able to do some of 
> these things with Access ... Like Nunit testing, for instance.  Now 
> THERE's a topic I could get excited about if someone would like to 
> rewrite it to work with VBA ... Hint, hint, hint. ;-}
>
> Charlotte
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Shamil Salakhetdinov [mailto:shamil at users.mns.ru]
> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 11:04 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
>
>
> > but have never had time to really pursue it.
> Yes, the same thoughts/experience here.
> Finally ADO.NET and WithEvents should make it rather easy to 
> implement...
>
> I think/plan, I will return to this subject end of the next week, 
> hopefully with some new results to publish as public domain/open 
> source...
>
> Meanwhile I have to finish reading two books about XP in C#  and "MS 
> Object Thinking" and make some experiments in ADO.NET and a good 
> progress in a pending urgent project...
>
> Any ideas about directions in which to develop this small project are 
> very welcome!
>
> Thank you for your support!
>
> Shamil
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 9:30 PM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
>
>
> > Not interesting, Shamil, FASCINATING!  Yes, I do hope you continue 
> > this thread.  Please!  I've often thought of this kind of thing but 
> > have never had time to really pursue it.
> >
> > Charlotte Foust
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Shamil Salakhetdinov [mailto:shamil at users.mns.ru]
> > Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 10:02 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
> >
> >
> > Charlotte,
> >
> > Your <VBG> means you're interested in continuation of this 
> > subject/thread or...? In my plans is to extend and make all the 
> > source
>
> > code available. How soon it will happen this is an open question - I

> > have an urgent project here. But I do plan to continue this thread 
> > and
>
> > work if this looks interesting for you and others here. Maybe even 
> > make it open source project here when first useful results will be 
> > achieved? It would be interesting I guess to make it also XP(eXtreme
> > Programming) style work with your being subject area expert - I mean

> > your best knowing in what scenarios and in what business areas is 
> > the best to use MS Access in bound but disconnected mode with most 
> > of the software (MS Access FE
> > databases) developed by power users but integrated by "mighty MS 
> > Access developers"? :)
> >
> > I know how to do all that, I know how to make MS Access applications

> > assembly factories etc. - I have all that experience and I can share

> > it if/when I will have spare time - is that interesting?
> >
> > Shamil
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
> > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 7:35 PM
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
> >
> >
> > > Oooohhh, I think I'm in love!  <VBG>
> > >
> > > Charlotte Foust
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Shamil Salakhetdinov [mailto:shamil at users.mns.ru]
> > > Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 4:46 AM
> > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
> > >
> > >
> > > No, William, this is not replication - here is what I mean in 
> > > short:
> > >
> > > http://www.smsconsulting.spb.ru/shamil_s/articles/ddo.htm
> > >
> > > Shamil
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "William Hindman" <dejpolsys at hotmail.com>
> > > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
> > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 3:47 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
> > >
> > >
> > > > Shamil
> > > >
> > > > ..I must be missing something ...that sounds like replication to

> > > > me.
> > > >
> > > > William
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil at users.mns.ru>
> > > > To: "!DBA-MAIN" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 7:28 PM
> > > > Subject: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Hi All,
> > > > >
> > > > > I wanted to ask you - what about the subject?
> > > > > Anybody uses/interested to use MS Access client applications 
> > > > > this way?
> > > > >
> > > > > Do I miss obvious (RTFM) stuff and such a disconnected mode is

> > > > > already implemented in MS Access and broadly used by MS Access

> > > > > developers? Yes,
> > > I
> > > > > know ADO recordsets can be used with bound MS Access forms 
> > > > > etc. but this looks like a rather limited feature - am I 
> > > > > wrong?
> > > > >
> > > > > What I mean is cashing data locally into mdbs, only the data 
> > > > > needed for the currently open form(s) etc., processing this 
> > > > > data
>
> > > > > and then updating backend database(mdb, MSDE, MS SQL,
> > > > > whatever...)
> >
> > > > > - with all this cashing and updating made mostly automatically

> > > > > by a tiny framework code, based
> > > on
> > > > > ADO.NET...(yes, this local caching of data is not a new 
> > > > > subject but nowadays it can be (re-)implement really scalable 
> > > > > way with a
>
> > > > > way less efforts
> > > than
> > > > > before)
> > > > >
> > > > > Maybe MS plans to do something like that?
> > > > >
> > > > > Is that a wheel reinvention or anybody here sees such 
> > > > > opportunity like a really useful feature in their real life 
> > > > > projects?
> > > > >
> > > > > For me it looks like a useful feature because it could help: 
> > > > > to get MS Access back into mainstream development area because

> > > > > it will allow to easily scale applications with MS Access 
> > > > > front-ends...
> > > > >
> > > > > There are many other ideas but most of them in this "ideas 
> > > > > pool"
>
> > > > > based
> > > on
> > > > > the subject one - if it doesn't make sense for real-life 
> > > > > projects then
> > > I'd
> > > > > better stop working on it...
> > > > >
> > > > > What is your opinion about the subject?
> > > > > When you expect MS will do something like that in MS Access?
> > > > >
> > > > > Thank you,
> > > > > Shamil
> > > > >
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> > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
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> > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
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> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
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> >
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> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Aug 18 15:01:57 2005
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 16:01:57 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
In-Reply-To: <006601c5a42d$9f720320$6401a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru>
Message-ID: <012601c5a42f$b4751f80$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

I have VS.Net 2002 and it isn't clear that it works with that.  I also have
VB.Net Express (2005).  In either case all I know at this point is that if
you comment your code in some unknown format a tool will allow you to export
the comments to a help file.  Sigh.

So much to know, so few years remaining.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
Salakhetdinov
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 3:47 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..


Yes, I do use it with but with C# projects.

They (MS) have XML comments in VS.NET 2005's VB.NET (to be released this
November?)

As for VB.NET in VS.NET 2003 - I have heard there is a tool to work with XML
comments in it but I don't know how good it's - this is VBCommenter -
http://www.gotdotnet.com/workspaces/workspace.aspx?id=112b5449-f702-46e2-87f
a-86bdf39a17dd - And it exports XML comments to be used by NDoc? I didn't
check that but it's stated here:

"NDoc generates class library documentation from .NET assemblies and the XML
documentation files generated by the C# compiler (or with an add-on tool for
VB.NET)." http://ndoc.sourceforge.net/

Sorry, I don't have any more info on NDoc - I did start to use it just last
month...

HTH,
Shamil

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John W. Colby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 11:23 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..


> Shamil,
>
> Do you use Ndoc?  I was just about to post a question on how to figure
that
> out and tie it in to my VB.Net projects.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause: 
> http://folding.stanford.edu/
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil 
> Salakhetdinov
> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 2:48 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
>
>
> > Like Nunit testing, for instance.  Now THERE's a topic I could get 
> > excited about if someone would like to rewrite it to work with VBA 
> > ...
> So, you wanted JUnit/NUnit ideas ported to MS Access/VBA? We're 
> thinking in the same direction :) Do you think it could be broadly 
> used? (VBA is getting "dead" language?)
>
> Yes, VBA/Access Unit  testing can be done several ways.
> I'd use open source NUnit sources for starters....
> Rough estimation: not that much work - one/a couple of months  - 
> anybody
to
> sponsor? :)
>
> What about NDoc(http://ndoc.sourceforge.net/) ?
> Also wanted to port it to VBA? - no problem - any sponsors? :)
>
> Shamil
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 10:23 PM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
>
>
> > Yes, I work with ADO.Net a lot, but in VB.Net, not Access, and I 
> > haven't even looked at C#.  Most of my time is now spent in VB.Net, 
> > but I keep thinking of how nice it would be to be able to do some of 
> > these things with Access ... Like Nunit testing, for instance.  Now 
> > THERE's a topic I could get excited about if someone would like to 
> > rewrite it to work with VBA ... Hint, hint, hint. ;-}
> >
> > Charlotte
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Shamil Salakhetdinov [mailto:shamil at users.mns.ru]
> > Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 11:04 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
> >
> >
> > > but have never had time to really pursue it.
> > Yes, the same thoughts/experience here.
> > Finally ADO.NET and WithEvents should make it rather easy to 
> > implement...
> >
> > I think/plan, I will return to this subject end of the next week, 
> > hopefully with some new results to publish as public domain/open 
> > source...
> >
> > Meanwhile I have to finish reading two books about XP in C#  and "MS 
> > Object Thinking" and make some experiments in ADO.NET and a good 
> > progress in a pending urgent project...
> >
> > Any ideas about directions in which to develop this small project 
> > are very welcome!
> >
> > Thank you for your support!
> >
> > Shamil
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
> > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 9:30 PM
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
> >
> >
> > > Not interesting, Shamil, FASCINATING!  Yes, I do hope you continue 
> > > this thread.  Please!  I've often thought of this kind of thing 
> > > but have never had time to really pursue it.
> > >
> > > Charlotte Foust
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Shamil Salakhetdinov [mailto:shamil at users.mns.ru]
> > > Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 10:02 AM
> > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
> > >
> > >
> > > Charlotte,
> > >
> > > Your <VBG> means you're interested in continuation of this 
> > > subject/thread or...? In my plans is to extend and make all the 
> > > source
> >
> > > code available. How soon it will happen this is an open question - 
> > > I have an urgent project here. But I do plan to continue this 
> > > thread and
> >
> > > work if this looks interesting for you and others here. Maybe even 
> > > make it open source project here when first useful results will be 
> > > achieved? It would be interesting I guess to make it also 
> > > XP(eXtreme
> > > Programming) style work with your being subject area expert - I mean
> > > your best knowing in what scenarios and in what business areas is
> > > the best to use MS Access in bound but disconnected mode with most
> > > of the software (MS Access FE
> > > databases) developed by power users but integrated by "mighty MS
> > > Access developers"? :)
> > >
> > > I know how to do all that, I know how to make MS Access 
> > > applications assembly factories etc. - I have all that experience 
> > > and I can share it if/when I will have spare time - is that 
> > > interesting?
> > >
> > > Shamil
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
> > > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
> > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 7:35 PM
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
> > >
> > >
> > > > Oooohhh, I think I'm in love!  <VBG>
> > > >
> > > > Charlotte Foust
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Shamil Salakhetdinov [mailto:shamil at users.mns.ru]
> > > > Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 4:46 AM
> > > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient 
> > > > applications..
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > No, William, this is not replication - here is what I mean in
> > > > short:
> > > >
> > > > http://www.smsconsulting.spb.ru/shamil_s/articles/ddo.htm
> > > >
> > > > Shamil
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "William Hindman" <dejpolsys at hotmail.com>
> > > > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
> > > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > > Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 3:47 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient 
> > > > applications..
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Shamil
> > > > >
> > > > > ..I must be missing something ...that sounds like replication 
> > > > > to me.
> > > > >
> > > > > William
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil at users.mns.ru>
> > > > > To: "!DBA-MAIN" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 7:28 PM
> > > > > Subject: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Hi All,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I wanted to ask you - what about the subject? Anybody 
> > > > > > uses/interested to use MS Access client applications this 
> > > > > > way?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Do I miss obvious (RTFM) stuff and such a disconnected mode 
> > > > > > is already implemented in MS Access and broadly used by MS 
> > > > > > Access developers? Yes,
> > > > I
> > > > > > know ADO recordsets can be used with bound MS Access forms 
> > > > > > etc. but this looks like a rather limited feature - am I 
> > > > > > wrong?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What I mean is cashing data locally into mdbs, only the data 
> > > > > > needed for the currently open form(s) etc., processing this 
> > > > > > data
> >
> > > > > > and then updating backend database(mdb, MSDE, MS SQL,
> > > > > > whatever...)
> > >
> > > > > > - with all this cashing and updating made mostly 
> > > > > > automatically by a tiny framework code, based
> > > > on
> > > > > > ADO.NET...(yes, this local caching of data is not a new 
> > > > > > subject but nowadays it can be (re-)implement really 
> > > > > > scalable way with a
> >
> > > > > > way less efforts
> > > > than
> > > > > > before)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Maybe MS plans to do something like that?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Is that a wheel reinvention or anybody here sees such 
> > > > > > opportunity like a really useful feature in their real life 
> > > > > > projects?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > For me it looks like a useful feature because it could help: 
> > > > > > to get MS Access back into mainstream development area 
> > > > > > because it will allow to easily scale applications with MS 
> > > > > > Access front-ends...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > There are many other ideas but most of them in this "ideas 
> > > > > > pool"
> >
> > > > > > based
> > > > on
> > > > > > the subject one - if it doesn't make sense for real-life 
> > > > > > projects then
> > > > I'd
> > > > > > better stop working on it...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What is your opinion about the subject?
> > > > > > When you expect MS will do something like that in MS Access?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thank you,
> > > > > > Shamil
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
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> > > > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
> > > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
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> > > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
> > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
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> > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
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From shamil at users.mns.ru  Thu Aug 18 15:07:28 2005
From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 00:07:28 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: JFYI: XP and Wiki Founder Ward Cunningham is
	currently working at MS...
Message-ID: <008401c5a430$810ff7e0$6401a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru>

http://www.c2.com/cgi/wiki?TipsForWardAtMicrosoft

Quote from "Microsoft Object Thinking" by David West:

<<<
Ward Cunningham and Kent Beck

Ward Cunningham is an almost mythical figure in the world of objects and
extreme programming. Excepting a few papers, usually coauthored by Kent
Beck, he has published little. His influence, however, has been monumental.
He is considered to be the inspiration for most of the extreme programming
practices, is a legendary coder and designer, and is a great mentor.
Mathematicians use an "Erdos Number" as an indicator of their association
with Paul Erdos, one of the most prolific and brilliant mathematicians of
the past century. Erdos himself had the number 0, those who coauthored a
paper with him had the number 1, coauthoring with a coauthor yielded 2, and
so on. Extreme programmers are given a "Ward Number" based on pair
programming with him (1), pair programming with someone who paired with him
(2), and so forth.

Kent Beck is to Cunningham as Plato was to Socrates-the extender of ideas,
contributor in his own right, and, in an interesting parallel, the one who
published. The preeminent figure in the world of extreme programming today,
Beck was equally active in object programming. Although he did not publish a
book on behavioral object modeling, he did publish works on programming
style and idiom (for Smalltalk).

Kent Beck and Ward Cunningham were a team when objects first became a hot
technology, collaborating both as developers and as creative thinkers about
object technology. Both will become quite familiar to the reader, as their
ideas are central to many of the themes in this book.
>>>

Shamil



From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Thu Aug 18 14:46:29 2005
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 12:46:29 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Storing Files in Directories
References: <200508181801.j7II1oR20260@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <4304E595.6020806@shaw.ca>

I have done something similar for records management but I create the 
directory name structures from a table
easier to maintain.. One funny is trying to delete the upper root 
directory if created by the program
it may require a reboot to lose NFTS file handle of the root..

You may need this routine to check for illegal DOS filename characters
And perhaps change spaces to underscores.
If your directory filename string greater than 256, there is  trouble 
burning to Joliet CD-ROM format.

 Function NameFix(NameIn As String) As String
   Const ILLEGAL_CHARACTERS = "/\:*?<>|"""
   ' = /\:*?<>|"
   Dim i As Integer
   Dim iTmp As Integer
   'replaces illegal DOS filename character with an underscore
   NameFix = NameIn

   For i = 1 To Len(ILLEGAL_CHARACTERS)
      iTmp = InStr(1, NameFix, Mid$(ILLEGAL_CHARACTERS, i, 1))
      If iTmp > 0 Then
         Mid$(NameFix, iTmp, 1) = "_"
      End If
   Next
   'non ascii printing characters
  ' Just realized this code will also replace spaces with
  'underscores.
'to accept spaces, change
'>       If iTmp < 33 Or iTmp > 126 Then to
'>       If iTmp < 32 Or iTmp > 126 Then

   For i = 1 To Len(NameFix)
      iTmp = Asc(Mid$(NameFix, i, 1))
      If iTmp < 32 Or iTmp > 126 Then
         Mid$(NameFix, i, 1) = "_"
      End If
   Next
End Function
'============


This routine creates the directories and upper path structure if 
non-existant

'**************************************
' Name: CreateDirectoryStruct
' Description:Creates all non-existing folders in a path.
' Local or network UNC path.
'
' Inputs:CreateThisPath as string
'

'CreateDirectoryStruct("c:\temp\c\b\a")

 Sub CreateDirectoryStruct(CreateThisPath As String)

    'do initial check
    Dim ret As Boolean, temp$, ComputerName As String, IntoItCount As 
Integer, X%, _
              WakeString As String
    Dim MadeIt As Integer
    If Dir$(CreateThisPath, vbDirectory) <> "" Then Exit Sub
    'is this a network path?

    If Left$(CreateThisPath, 2) = "\\" Then ' this is a UNC NetworkPath
        'must extract the machine name first, th
        '     en get to the first folder
        IntoItCount = 3
        ComputerName = Mid$(CreateThisPath, IntoItCount, 
InStr(IntoItCount, _
                 CreateThisPath, "\") - IntoItCount)
        IntoItCount = IntoItCount + Len(ComputerName) + 1
        IntoItCount = InStr(IntoItCount, CreateThisPath, "\") + 1
        'temp = Mid$(CreateThisPath, IntoItCount
        '     , x)
    Else ' this is a regular path
        IntoItCount = 4
    End If

    WakeString = Left$(CreateThisPath, IntoItCount - 1)
    'start a loop through the CreateThisPath
    '     string

    Do
        X = InStr(IntoItCount, CreateThisPath, "\")


        If X <> 0 Then
            X = X - IntoItCount
            temp = Mid$(CreateThisPath, IntoItCount, X)
        Else
            temp = Mid$(CreateThisPath, IntoItCount)
        End If

        IntoItCount = IntoItCount + Len(temp) + 1
        temp = WakeString + temp
        'Create a directory if it doesn't alread
        '     y exist
        ret = (Dir$(temp, vbDirectory) <> "")


        If Not ret Then
            'ret& = CreateDirectory(temp, Security)
            MkDir temp
        End If

        IntoItCount = IntoItCount 'track where we are in the String
        WakeString = Left$(CreateThisPath, IntoItCount - 1)
    Loop While WakeString <> CreateThisPath

End Sub
Arthur Fuller wrote:

>The current client has distinct preferences about how files ought to be
>stored. 
>
>A client has 1:M projects.
>A project has 1:M assessments.
>An assessment concerns exactly one workstation.
>The resulting document must come out reflecting all workstations involved in
>said project for said client (this part is trivial).
>
>The client app's native directory is c:\MyClient. The subdir for said
>reports is c:\MyClient\reports.
>
>The client wants me to create a dir for each project and then plant the
>related documents in said project-subdir.
>
>This says to me that the Client table contains a directory name, and that
>the ClientProjects table also contains a directory name, and that given
>project 12356 I concatenate the above two values, plus the unique
>identifier, and create a file called "c:\MyClient\HerClient\Reports\" &
>Unique_ID & ".doc" (the resultant docs are all Word files).
>
>1. I have so far created the said doc from a template: no problems there.
>But I would like also to supply the concatenated filename so that a simple
>click on the Save button causes the file to be saved. (I should mention that
>the docs spit out by the Access app _always_ require editing; else we would
>simply dump an Access report.)
>
>Given that the client is CharlotteFoust and that her docs get sent to
>c:\MyClient\HerClient\CharlotteFoust, then I want Word to realize that the
>created document should be called "c:\MyClient\HerClient\CharlotteFoust\" &
>Unique_ID & ".doc" -- and placed in subdir (create if required) Project
>20050818.
>
>I don't want the user to have to name the file. I want that to have already
>been done, so she can click Save after her edits and that's that.
>
>Had I been granted the discretion to design this particular model, I would
>not have chosen this path. That however is not the issue. The issue is that
>the client and her employees want to do it this way. 
>
>Advice, guidance, assaults on the model, all gratefully accepted.
>
>
>  
>

-- 
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada





From shamil at users.mns.ru  Thu Aug 18 15:30:09 2005
From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 00:30:09 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8689A81C@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <009101c5a433$a26b3730$6401a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru>

<<<
would evangalize like crazy! ;-}
>>>
Exciting perspective! Anybody has money to pay for this work to accept
evangelizing crowds together? :)
(I'm sorry, I have no free resources and spare time right now but I'd make
it implemented quickly for moderate payment  after I finish the current
project - somewhere middle of the next month I expect.)

<<<
I LOVE being able to
> build methods and properties in the abstract and test them extensively
> before I ever create a UI object that uses them
>>>
Yes, this is one of XP's core ideas/methods - unit testing - and it gives a
lot of confidence that developed software will be stable....

<<<
It is really an extension of spec writing,
since you can easily model a spec
>>>
Yes, and acceptance tests are getting created while you're coding....
And regression testing when new features are implemented becomes just a
childish game opposed to traditional development/testing when it usually
takes a lot of time...

<<<
> Ndoc stuff, but  I am NOT a C (any flavor) programmer and don't want to
> become one.
>>>
I don't see big difference between C# and VB.NET - they both like VB6/VBA
for me:)
Even easier to use them in fact - no need usually to care about grabage
collection, which have to be manually done in VB6/VBA advanced
programming...

Just give it a try to program on C#  - I guess you will need just a few days
to start programming on it ...

As for XML comments - they say VBCommenter can help here -
http://www.gotdotnet.com/workspaces/workspace.aspx?id=112b5449-f702-46e2-87fa-86bdf39a17dd
(I didn't try it).

And the docs NDoc (and the like) create are very good.

I think it would be very useful addition to your Unit Testing/XP pratices -
to create impressive and useful program documentation while you are
coding....

Shamil

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 11:51 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..


> I don't think it would be "broadly" used because it isn't used enough
> now even in languages that support it, but developers who become
> familiar with it, would evangalize like crazy! ;-}  I LOVE being able to
> build methods and properties in the abstract and test them extensively
> before I ever create a UI object that uses them.  It is really an
> extension of spec writing, since you can easily model a spec and test to
> see if the results you get are the ones you expect.  I've looked at the
> Ndoc stuff, but  I am NOT a C (any flavor) programmer and don't want to
> become one.
>
> Charlotte
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Shamil Salakhetdinov [mailto:shamil at users.mns.ru]
> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 11:48 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
>
>
> > Like Nunit testing, for instance.  Now THERE's a topic I could get
> > excited about if someone would like to rewrite it to work with VBA ...
> So, you wanted JUnit/NUnit ideas ported to MS Access/VBA?
> We're thinking in the same direction :)
> Do you think it could be broadly used? (VBA is getting "dead" language?)
>
> Yes, VBA/Access Unit  testing can be done several ways.
> I'd use open source NUnit sources for starters....
> Rough estimation: not that much work - one/a couple of months  - anybody
> to sponsor? :)
>
> What about NDoc(http://ndoc.sourceforge.net/) ?
> Also wanted to port it to VBA? - no problem - any sponsors? :)
>
> Shamil
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 10:23 PM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
>
>
> > Yes, I work with ADO.Net a lot, but in VB.Net, not Access, and I
> > haven't even looked at C#.  Most of my time is now spent in VB.Net,
> > but I keep thinking of how nice it would be to be able to do some of
> > these things with Access ... Like Nunit testing, for instance.  Now
> > THERE's a topic I could get excited about if someone would like to
> > rewrite it to work with VBA ... Hint, hint, hint. ;-}
> >
> > Charlotte
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Shamil Salakhetdinov [mailto:shamil at users.mns.ru]
> > Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 11:04 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
> >
> >
> > > but have never had time to really pursue it.
> > Yes, the same thoughts/experience here.
> > Finally ADO.NET and WithEvents should make it rather easy to
> > implement...
> >
> > I think/plan, I will return to this subject end of the next week,
> > hopefully with some new results to publish as public domain/open
> > source...
> >
> > Meanwhile I have to finish reading two books about XP in C#  and "MS
> > Object Thinking" and make some experiments in ADO.NET and a good
> > progress in a pending urgent project...
> >
> > Any ideas about directions in which to develop this small project are
> > very welcome!
> >
> > Thank you for your support!
> >
> > Shamil
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
> > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 9:30 PM
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
> >
> >
> > > Not interesting, Shamil, FASCINATING!  Yes, I do hope you continue
> > > this thread.  Please!  I've often thought of this kind of thing but
> > > have never had time to really pursue it.
> > >
> > > Charlotte Foust
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Shamil Salakhetdinov [mailto:shamil at users.mns.ru]
> > > Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 10:02 AM
> > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
> > >
> > >
> > > Charlotte,
> > >
> > > Your <VBG> means you're interested in continuation of this
> > > subject/thread or...? In my plans is to extend and make all the
> > > source
> >
> > > code available. How soon it will happen this is an open question - I
>
> > > have an urgent project here. But I do plan to continue this thread
> > > and
> >
> > > work if this looks interesting for you and others here. Maybe even
> > > make it open source project here when first useful results will be
> > > achieved? It would be interesting I guess to make it also XP(eXtreme
> > > Programming) style work with your being subject area expert - I mean
>
> > > your best knowing in what scenarios and in what business areas is
> > > the best to use MS Access in bound but disconnected mode with most
> > > of the software (MS Access FE
> > > databases) developed by power users but integrated by "mighty MS
> > > Access developers"? :)
> > >
> > > I know how to do all that, I know how to make MS Access applications
>
> > > assembly factories etc. - I have all that experience and I can share
>
> > > it if/when I will have spare time - is that interesting?
> > >
> > > Shamil
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
> > > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 7:35 PM
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
> > >
> > >
> > > > Oooohhh, I think I'm in love!  <VBG>
> > > >
> > > > Charlotte Foust
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Shamil Salakhetdinov [mailto:shamil at users.mns.ru]
> > > > Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 4:46 AM
> > > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > No, William, this is not replication - here is what I mean in
> > > > short:
> > > >
> > > > http://www.smsconsulting.spb.ru/shamil_s/articles/ddo.htm
> > > >
> > > > Shamil
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "William Hindman" <dejpolsys at hotmail.com>
> > > > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > > Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 3:47 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Shamil
> > > > >
> > > > > ..I must be missing something ...that sounds like replication to
>
> > > > > me.
> > > > >
> > > > > William
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil at users.mns.ru>
> > > > > To: "!DBA-MAIN" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 7:28 PM
> > > > > Subject: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Hi All,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I wanted to ask you - what about the subject?
> > > > > > Anybody uses/interested to use MS Access client applications
> > > > > > this way?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Do I miss obvious (RTFM) stuff and such a disconnected mode is
>
> > > > > > already implemented in MS Access and broadly used by MS Access
>
> > > > > > developers? Yes,
> > > > I
> > > > > > know ADO recordsets can be used with bound MS Access forms
> > > > > > etc. but this looks like a rather limited feature - am I
> > > > > > wrong?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What I mean is cashing data locally into mdbs, only the data
> > > > > > needed for the currently open form(s) etc., processing this
> > > > > > data
> >
> > > > > > and then updating backend database(mdb, MSDE, MS SQL,
> > > > > > whatever...)
> > >
> > > > > > - with all this cashing and updating made mostly automatically
>
> > > > > > by a tiny framework code, based
> > > > on
> > > > > > ADO.NET...(yes, this local caching of data is not a new
> > > > > > subject but nowadays it can be (re-)implement really scalable
> > > > > > way with a
> >
> > > > > > way less efforts
> > > > than
> > > > > > before)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Maybe MS plans to do something like that?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Is that a wheel reinvention or anybody here sees such
> > > > > > opportunity like a really useful feature in their real life
> > > > > > projects?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > For me it looks like a useful feature because it could help:
> > > > > > to get MS Access back into mainstream development area because
>
> > > > > > it will allow to easily scale applications with MS Access
> > > > > > front-ends...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > There are many other ideas but most of them in this "ideas
> > > > > > pool"
> >
> > > > > > based
> > > > on
> > > > > > the subject one - if it doesn't make sense for real-life
> > > > > > projects then
> > > > I'd
> > > > > > better stop working on it...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What is your opinion about the subject?
> > > > > > When you expect MS will do something like that in MS Access?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thank you,
> > > > > > Shamil
> > > > > >
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From shamil at users.mns.ru  Thu Aug 18 15:43:07 2005
From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 00:43:07 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
References: <012601c5a42f$b4751f80$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <009d01c5a435$79dd10c0$6401a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru>

> So much to know, so few years remaining.
The same problem here :(

Go C#! - just a week to start with it - and it's as high level programming
language as VB6/VBA, even higher.
And you will save a lot of time.
And the "cutest and coolest" stuff appears first of all in .NET Framework
for C#...

As for VB.NET -> C# conversion I recently used one of free online tools like
this one - http://www.carlosag.net/Tools/CodeTranslator/Default.aspx to
convert a lot of VB.NET code.
 In fact I did convert last autumn a lot of VBA code to VB.NET(three big MS
Excel Add-Ins) using VS.NET 2003 converter + of course manual conversion.
And then this July I converted VB.NET to C# using free online tools. Quite
some manual work is still needed but it's mostly mechanical. And I did spend
about two months to write original VBA code of these three MS Excel add-ins
VBA-> VB.NET conversion was done in a week and all worked OK.
C#->VB.NET conversion - it took a couple of days and all worked OK also of
course (but I didn't convert all the VB.NET code)

Shamil

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John W. Colby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 12:01 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..


> I have VS.Net 2002 and it isn't clear that it works with that.  I also
have
> VB.Net Express (2005).  In either case all I know at this point is that if
> you comment your code in some unknown format a tool will allow you to
export
> the comments to a help file.  Sigh.
>
> So much to know, so few years remaining.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
> http://folding.stanford.edu/
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
> Salakhetdinov
> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 3:47 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
>
>
> Yes, I do use it with but with C# projects.
>
> They (MS) have XML comments in VS.NET 2005's VB.NET (to be released this
> November?)
>
> As for VB.NET in VS.NET 2003 - I have heard there is a tool to work with
XML
> comments in it but I don't know how good it's - this is VBCommenter -
>
http://www.gotdotnet.com/workspaces/workspace.aspx?id=112b5449-f702-46e2-87f
> a-86bdf39a17dd - And it exports XML comments to be used by NDoc? I didn't
> check that but it's stated here:
>
> "NDoc generates class library documentation from .NET assemblies and the
XML
> documentation files generated by the C# compiler (or with an add-on tool
for
> VB.NET)." http://ndoc.sourceforge.net/
>
> Sorry, I don't have any more info on NDoc - I did start to use it just
last
> month...
>
> HTH,
> Shamil
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "John W. Colby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 11:23 PM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
>
>
> > Shamil,
> >
> > Do you use Ndoc?  I was just about to post a question on how to figure
> that
> > out and tie it in to my VB.Net projects.
> >
> > John W. Colby
> > www.ColbyConsulting.com
> >
> > Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
> > http://folding.stanford.edu/
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
> > Salakhetdinov
> > Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 2:48 PM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
> >
> >
> > > Like Nunit testing, for instance.  Now THERE's a topic I could get
> > > excited about if someone would like to rewrite it to work with VBA
> > > ...
> > So, you wanted JUnit/NUnit ideas ported to MS Access/VBA? We're
> > thinking in the same direction :) Do you think it could be broadly
> > used? (VBA is getting "dead" language?)
> >
> > Yes, VBA/Access Unit  testing can be done several ways.
> > I'd use open source NUnit sources for starters....
> > Rough estimation: not that much work - one/a couple of months  -
> > anybody
> to
> > sponsor? :)
> >
> > What about NDoc(http://ndoc.sourceforge.net/) ?
> > Also wanted to port it to VBA? - no problem - any sponsors? :)
> >
> > Shamil
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
> > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 10:23 PM
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
> >
> >
> > > Yes, I work with ADO.Net a lot, but in VB.Net, not Access, and I
> > > haven't even looked at C#.  Most of my time is now spent in VB.Net,
> > > but I keep thinking of how nice it would be to be able to do some of
> > > these things with Access ... Like Nunit testing, for instance.  Now
> > > THERE's a topic I could get excited about if someone would like to
> > > rewrite it to work with VBA ... Hint, hint, hint. ;-}
> > >
> > > Charlotte
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Shamil Salakhetdinov [mailto:shamil at users.mns.ru]
> > > Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 11:04 AM
> > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
> > >
> > >
> > > > but have never had time to really pursue it.
> > > Yes, the same thoughts/experience here.
> > > Finally ADO.NET and WithEvents should make it rather easy to
> > > implement...
> > >
> > > I think/plan, I will return to this subject end of the next week,
> > > hopefully with some new results to publish as public domain/open
> > > source...
> > >
> > > Meanwhile I have to finish reading two books about XP in C#  and "MS
> > > Object Thinking" and make some experiments in ADO.NET and a good
> > > progress in a pending urgent project...
> > >
> > > Any ideas about directions in which to develop this small project
> > > are very welcome!
> > >
> > > Thank you for your support!
> > >
> > > Shamil
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
> > > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 9:30 PM
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
> > >
> > >
> > > > Not interesting, Shamil, FASCINATING!  Yes, I do hope you continue
> > > > this thread.  Please!  I've often thought of this kind of thing
> > > > but have never had time to really pursue it.
> > > >
> > > > Charlotte Foust
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Shamil Salakhetdinov [mailto:shamil at users.mns.ru]
> > > > Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 10:02 AM
> > > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Charlotte,
> > > >
> > > > Your <VBG> means you're interested in continuation of this
> > > > subject/thread or...? In my plans is to extend and make all the
> > > > source
> > >
> > > > code available. How soon it will happen this is an open question -
> > > > I have an urgent project here. But I do plan to continue this
> > > > thread and
> > >
> > > > work if this looks interesting for you and others here. Maybe even
> > > > make it open source project here when first useful results will be
> > > > achieved? It would be interesting I guess to make it also
> > > > XP(eXtreme
> > > > Programming) style work with your being subject area expert - I mean
> > > > your best knowing in what scenarios and in what business areas is
> > > > the best to use MS Access in bound but disconnected mode with most
> > > > of the software (MS Access FE
> > > > databases) developed by power users but integrated by "mighty MS
> > > > Access developers"? :)
> > > >
> > > > I know how to do all that, I know how to make MS Access
> > > > applications assembly factories etc. - I have all that experience
> > > > and I can share it if/when I will have spare time - is that
> > > > interesting?
> > > >
> > > > Shamil
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
> > > > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > > Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 7:35 PM
> > > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Oooohhh, I think I'm in love!  <VBG>
> > > > >
> > > > > Charlotte Foust
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Shamil Salakhetdinov [mailto:shamil at users.mns.ru]
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 4:46 AM
> > > > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient
> > > > > applications..
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > No, William, this is not replication - here is what I mean in
> > > > > short:
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.smsconsulting.spb.ru/shamil_s/articles/ddo.htm
> > > > >
> > > > > Shamil
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "William Hindman" <dejpolsys at hotmail.com>
> > > > > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > > > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 3:47 AM
> > > > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient
> > > > > applications..
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Shamil
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ..I must be missing something ...that sounds like replication
> > > > > > to me.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > William
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil at users.mns.ru>
> > > > > > To: "!DBA-MAIN" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 7:28 PM
> > > > > > Subject: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hi All,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I wanted to ask you - what about the subject? Anybody
> > > > > > > uses/interested to use MS Access client applications this
> > > > > > > way?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Do I miss obvious (RTFM) stuff and such a disconnected mode
> > > > > > > is already implemented in MS Access and broadly used by MS
> > > > > > > Access developers? Yes,
> > > > > I
> > > > > > > know ADO recordsets can be used with bound MS Access forms
> > > > > > > etc. but this looks like a rather limited feature - am I
> > > > > > > wrong?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > What I mean is cashing data locally into mdbs, only the data
> > > > > > > needed for the currently open form(s) etc., processing this
> > > > > > > data
> > >
> > > > > > > and then updating backend database(mdb, MSDE, MS SQL,
> > > > > > > whatever...)
> > > >
> > > > > > > - with all this cashing and updating made mostly
> > > > > > > automatically by a tiny framework code, based
> > > > > on
> > > > > > > ADO.NET...(yes, this local caching of data is not a new
> > > > > > > subject but nowadays it can be (re-)implement really
> > > > > > > scalable way with a
> > >
> > > > > > > way less efforts
> > > > > than
> > > > > > > before)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Maybe MS plans to do something like that?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Is that a wheel reinvention or anybody here sees such
> > > > > > > opportunity like a really useful feature in their real life
> > > > > > > projects?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > For me it looks like a useful feature because it could help:
> > > > > > > to get MS Access back into mainstream development area
> > > > > > > because it will allow to easily scale applications with MS
> > > > > > > Access front-ends...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > There are many other ideas but most of them in this "ideas
> > > > > > > pool"
> > >
> > > > > > > based
> > > > > on
> > > > > > > the subject one - if it doesn't make sense for real-life
> > > > > > > projects then
> > > > > I'd
> > > > > > > better stop working on it...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > What is your opinion about the subject?
> > > > > > > When you expect MS will do something like that in MS Access?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thank you,
> > > > > > > Shamil
> > > > > > >
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu Aug 18 16:00:44 2005
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 14:00:44 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86873BD5@infoserver01.infostat.local>

I'm still getting proficient at VB.Net and my object to C# is more the
punctuation than anything.  I am constrained to VB.Net where I work, and
I don't have the energy to teach myself C# at the same time. :-{

Charlotte


-----Original Message-----
From: Shamil Salakhetdinov [mailto:shamil at users.mns.ru] 
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 1:30 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..


<<<
would evangalize like crazy! ;-}
>>>
Exciting perspective! Anybody has money to pay for this work to accept
evangelizing crowds together? :) (I'm sorry, I have no free resources
and spare time right now but I'd make it implemented quickly for
moderate payment  after I finish the current project - somewhere middle
of the next month I expect.)

<<<
I LOVE being able to
> build methods and properties in the abstract and test them extensively

> before I ever create a UI object that uses them
>>>
Yes, this is one of XP's core ideas/methods - unit testing - and it
gives a lot of confidence that developed software will be stable....

<<<
It is really an extension of spec writing,
since you can easily model a spec
>>>
Yes, and acceptance tests are getting created while you're coding....
And regression testing when new features are implemented becomes just a
childish game opposed to traditional development/testing when it usually
takes a lot of time...

<<<
> Ndoc stuff, but  I am NOT a C (any flavor) programmer and don't want 
> to become one.
>>>
I don't see big difference between C# and VB.NET - they both like
VB6/VBA for me:) Even easier to use them in fact - no need usually to
care about grabage collection, which have to be manually done in VB6/VBA
advanced programming...

Just give it a try to program on C#  - I guess you will need just a few
days to start programming on it ...

As for XML comments - they say VBCommenter can help here -
http://www.gotdotnet.com/workspaces/workspace.aspx?id=112b5449-f702-46e2
-87fa-86bdf39a17dd
(I didn't try it).

And the docs NDoc (and the like) create are very good.

I think it would be very useful addition to your Unit Testing/XP
pratices - to create impressive and useful program documentation while
you are coding....

Shamil


From fhtapia at gmail.com  Thu Aug 18 18:10:03 2005
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 16:10:03 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Opening an XML recordset
Message-ID: <b874372a05081816107f8e0578@mail.gmail.com>

I have an XML document that I obtain from a webservice, I was able to creat 
the schema and using XMLPad I can see that it is infact a valid document, 
(see below). However the error Message I get from Access (2000) is that 
"Recordset cannot be created. Source XML is incomplete or invalid."

How can I make the following document a valid xml document for opening as an 
ado recordset, ie:
rst.Open "C:\ShipVia.xml", "Provider=MSPersist;", adOpenDynamic, 
adLockReadOnly, adCmdFile


thanks,

I abbreviated the doc for simplyfing the post.

<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
<root xmlns:xsd="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema" 
xmlns:od="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:officedata">
<xsd:schema>
<xsd:element name="ArrayOfWSShipViaItem">
<xsd:complexType>
<xsd:sequence>
<xsd:element ref="WSShipViaItem" minOccurs="0" maxOccurs="unbounded"/>
</xsd:sequence>
<xsd:attribute name="generated" type="xsd:dateTime"/>
</xsd:complexType>
</xsd:element>
<xsd:element name="WSShipViaItem">
<xsd:annotation>
<xsd:appinfo/>
</xsd:annotation>
<xsd:complexType>
<xsd:sequence>
<xsd:element name="ID" minOccurs="0" od:jetType="text" 
od:sqlSType="nvarchar">
<xsd:simpleType>
<xsd:restriction base="xsd:string">
<xsd:maxLength value="255"/>
</xsd:restriction>
</xsd:simpleType>
</xsd:element>
<xsd:element name="Description" minOccurs="0" od:jetType="text" 
od:sqlSType="nvarchar">
<xsd:simpleType>
<xsd:restriction base="xsd:string">
<xsd:maxLength value="255"/>
</xsd:restriction>
</xsd:simpleType>
</xsd:element>
</xsd:sequence>
</xsd:complexType>
</xsd:element>
</xsd:schema>
<ArrayOfWSShipViaItem xmlns:xsd="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema" 
xmlns:xsi="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema-instance" xmlns="
http://HAASService.org//WSAvanteData">
<WSShipViaItem>
<ID>10</ID>
<Description>FED EX P1176208147 (SKINNER)</Description>
</WSShipViaItem>
</ArrayOfWSShipViaItem>
</root>


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From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Aug 18 19:18:25 2005
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 17:18:25 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] copy string to clipboard
In-Reply-To: <4304D458.6080109@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <0ILG007540UO6X@l-daemon>

Marty: I just do not know where you come up with all this great stuff...
impressive :-) ... like many of the other awesome individuals that lurk this
list.

Jim 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 11:33 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] copy string to clipboard

Long way around for a shortcut. But this might not be so safe.

'set reference to FM20.dll in windows/system32 'MS Forms 2.0 Object Library
function getclipboard() as string
Dim dobD As DataObject
 Dim strS As String
  Set dobD = New DataObject
   dobD.GetFromClipboard
  strS = dobD.GetText
'or put in formatted see object browser
 ' dobD.SetText ("Huh??")
 ' dobD.PutInClipboard
  Debug.Print strS
getclipboard= strS
   Set dobD = Nothing
End Sub

John W. Colby wrote:

>>I've even got a simple class to take care of text to and from the
clipboard
>>    
>>
><g>
>
>And of course, so do I now, thanks to you.  <grin>  This is what makes this
>group great.
>
>John W. Colby
>www.ColbyConsulting.com 
>
>Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
>http://folding.stanford.edu/
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert
>Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 12:03 PM
>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] copy string to clipboard
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby
>Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 11:00 AM
>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] copy string to clipboard
>
>
>Where is the matching ClipGetText?
>
>John W. Colby
>www.ColbyConsulting.com 
>
>------------------------
>It's another simple API call...
>
>Private Declare Function GetClipboardData Lib "user32" (ByVal wFormat As
>Long) As Long
>
>I've even got a simple class to take care of text to and from the clipboard
><g>
>
>'*************************** clsClipBoard *************
>
>Option Compare Database
>Option Explicit
>
>
>
>' Obtaining Clipboard Data using API
>' (needed for VBA since no Clipboard Object) -- can also paste the data to
a
>control ' *************************************************************
>
>' ******* Place following in declarations *********
>Private Declare Function OpenClipboard Lib "user32" (ByVal hWnd As Long) As
>Long Private Declare Function CloseClipboard Lib "user32" () As Long
Private
>Declare Function EmptyClipboard Lib "user32" () As Long Private Declare
>Function SetClipboardData Lib "user32" (ByVal wFormat As Long, ByVal hMem
As
>Long) As Long Private Declare Function GetClipboardData Lib "user32" (ByVal
>wFormat As
>Long) As Long
>Private Declare Function GlobalAlloc Lib "kernel32" (ByVal wFlags&, ByVal
>dwBytes As Long) As Long Private Declare Function GlobalLock Lib "kernel32"
>(ByVal hMem As Long) As Long Private Declare Function GlobalUnlock Lib
>"kernel32" (ByVal hMem As Long) As Long Private Declare Function GlobalSize
>Lib "kernel32" (ByVal hMem As Long) As Long Private Declare Function
lstrcpy
>Lib "kernel32" (ByVal lpString1 As Any, ByVal lpString2 As Any) As Long
>
>Const GHND = &H42
>Const CF_TEXT = 1
>Const MAXSIZE = 4096
>
>Function GetTextData() As String
>   Dim hClipMemory As Long
>   Dim lpClipMemory As Long
>   Dim MyString As String
>   Dim RetVal As Long
>
>   If OpenClipboard(0&) = 0 Then
>      MsgBox "Cannot open Clipboard. Another app. may have it open", ,
>"Clipboard"
>
>      Exit Function
>   End If
>
>   ' Obtain the handle to the global memory
>   ' block that is referencing the text.
>   hClipMemory = GetClipboardData(CF_TEXT)
>   If IsNull(hClipMemory) Then
>      MsgBox "Could not allocate memory", , "Clipboard"
>   Else
>   
>      ' Lock Clipboard memory so we can reference
>      ' the actual data string.
>      lpClipMemory = GlobalLock(hClipMemory)
>   
>      If Not IsNull(lpClipMemory) Then
>   
>         MyString = SPACE$(MAXSIZE)
>         RetVal = lstrcpy(MyString, lpClipMemory)
>         RetVal = GlobalUnlock(hClipMemory)
>   
>         ' Peel off the null terminating character.
>         MyString = uMid(MyString, 1, InStr(1, MyString, Chr$(0), 0) - 1)
>      Else
>         MsgBox "Could not lock memory to copy string from.", , "Clipboard"
>      End If
>   
>   End If
>
>   RetVal = CloseClipboard()
>   GetTextData = MyString
>
>End Function
>
>Sub SetTextData(MyString As String)
>   Dim hGlobalMemory As Long, lpGlobalMemory As Long
>   Dim hClipMemory As Long, x As Long
>
>   ' Allocate movable global memory.
>   '-------------------------------------------
>   hGlobalMemory = GlobalAlloc(GHND, Len(MyString) + 1)
>
>   ' Lock the block to get a far pointer
>   ' to this memory.
>   lpGlobalMemory = GlobalLock(hGlobalMemory)
>
>   ' Copy the string to this global memory.
>   lpGlobalMemory = lstrcpy(lpGlobalMemory, MyString)
>
>   ' Unlock the memory.
>   If GlobalUnlock(hGlobalMemory) <> 0 Then
>      MsgBox "Could not unlock memory location. Copy aborted.", ,
>"Clipboard"
>   Else
>      ' Open the Clipboard to copy data to.
>      If OpenClipboard(0&) = 0 Then
>         MsgBox "Could not open the Clipboard. Copy aborted.", ,
"Clipboard"
>         Exit Sub
>      End If
>   
>      ' Clear the Clipboard.
>      x = EmptyClipboard()
>   
>      ' Copy the data to the Clipboard.
>      hClipMemory = SetClipboardData(CF_TEXT, hGlobalMemory)
>   End If
>
>   If CloseClipboard() = 0 Then
>      MsgBox "Could not close Clipboard.", , "Clipboard"
>   End If
>
>End Sub
>   
>'********************************************
>  
>

-- 
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada



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From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Aug 18 19:29:39 2005
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 17:29:39 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Why did Mac switch to Intel revisted
In-Reply-To: <b874372a05081816107f8e0578@mail.gmail.com>
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OT:

Another reason why Mac switched? http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=25496

Jim



From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Aug 18 19:15:25 2005
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 17:15:25 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
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Hi Shamil:

But do not get too fancy with the code your wish to translate or it bales
quite unceremoniously. Straight forward stuff works great but be careful
with different references and/or 'using' assemblies.

Great information Shamil :-) 
Jim  

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
Salakhetdinov
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 1:43 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..

> So much to know, so few years remaining.
The same problem here :(

Go C#! - just a week to start with it - and it's as high level programming
language as VB6/VBA, even higher.
And you will save a lot of time.
And the "cutest and coolest" stuff appears first of all in .NET Framework
for C#...

As for VB.NET -> C# conversion I recently used one of free online tools like
this one - http://www.carlosag.net/Tools/CodeTranslator/Default.aspx to
convert a lot of VB.NET code.
 In fact I did convert last autumn a lot of VBA code to VB.NET(three big MS
Excel Add-Ins) using VS.NET 2003 converter + of course manual conversion.
And then this July I converted VB.NET to C# using free online tools. Quite
some manual work is still needed but it's mostly mechanical. And I did spend
about two months to write original VBA code of these three MS Excel add-ins
VBA-> VB.NET conversion was done in a week and all worked OK.
C#->VB.NET conversion - it took a couple of days and all worked OK also of
course (but I didn't convert all the VB.NET code)

Shamil

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John W. Colby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 12:01 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..


> I have VS.Net 2002 and it isn't clear that it works with that.  I also
have
> VB.Net Express (2005).  In either case all I know at this point is that if
> you comment your code in some unknown format a tool will allow you to
export
> the comments to a help file.  Sigh.
>
> So much to know, so few years remaining.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
> http://folding.stanford.edu/
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
> Salakhetdinov
> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 3:47 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
>
>
> Yes, I do use it with but with C# projects.
>
> They (MS) have XML comments in VS.NET 2005's VB.NET (to be released this
> November?)
>
> As for VB.NET in VS.NET 2003 - I have heard there is a tool to work with
XML
> comments in it but I don't know how good it's - this is VBCommenter -
>
http://www.gotdotnet.com/workspaces/workspace.aspx?id=112b5449-f702-46e2-87f
> a-86bdf39a17dd - And it exports XML comments to be used by NDoc? I didn't
> check that but it's stated here:
>
> "NDoc generates class library documentation from .NET assemblies and the
XML
> documentation files generated by the C# compiler (or with an add-on tool
for
> VB.NET)." http://ndoc.sourceforge.net/
>
> Sorry, I don't have any more info on NDoc - I did start to use it just
last
> month...
>
> HTH,
> Shamil
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "John W. Colby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 11:23 PM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
>
>
> > Shamil,
> >
> > Do you use Ndoc?  I was just about to post a question on how to figure
> that
> > out and tie it in to my VB.Net projects.
> >
> > John W. Colby
> > www.ColbyConsulting.com
> >
> > Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
> > http://folding.stanford.edu/
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
> > Salakhetdinov
> > Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 2:48 PM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
> >
> >
> > > Like Nunit testing, for instance.  Now THERE's a topic I could get
> > > excited about if someone would like to rewrite it to work with VBA
> > > ...
> > So, you wanted JUnit/NUnit ideas ported to MS Access/VBA? We're
> > thinking in the same direction :) Do you think it could be broadly
> > used? (VBA is getting "dead" language?)
> >
> > Yes, VBA/Access Unit  testing can be done several ways.
> > I'd use open source NUnit sources for starters....
> > Rough estimation: not that much work - one/a couple of months  -
> > anybody
> to
> > sponsor? :)
> >
> > What about NDoc(http://ndoc.sourceforge.net/) ?
> > Also wanted to port it to VBA? - no problem - any sponsors? :)
> >
> > Shamil
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
> > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 10:23 PM
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
> >
> >
> > > Yes, I work with ADO.Net a lot, but in VB.Net, not Access, and I
> > > haven't even looked at C#.  Most of my time is now spent in VB.Net,
> > > but I keep thinking of how nice it would be to be able to do some of
> > > these things with Access ... Like Nunit testing, for instance.  Now
> > > THERE's a topic I could get excited about if someone would like to
> > > rewrite it to work with VBA ... Hint, hint, hint. ;-}
> > >
> > > Charlotte
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Shamil Salakhetdinov [mailto:shamil at users.mns.ru]
> > > Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 11:04 AM
> > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
> > >
> > >
> > > > but have never had time to really pursue it.
> > > Yes, the same thoughts/experience here.
> > > Finally ADO.NET and WithEvents should make it rather easy to
> > > implement...
> > >
> > > I think/plan, I will return to this subject end of the next week,
> > > hopefully with some new results to publish as public domain/open
> > > source...
> > >
> > > Meanwhile I have to finish reading two books about XP in C#  and "MS
> > > Object Thinking" and make some experiments in ADO.NET and a good
> > > progress in a pending urgent project...
> > >
> > > Any ideas about directions in which to develop this small project
> > > are very welcome!
> > >
> > > Thank you for your support!
> > >
> > > Shamil
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
> > > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 9:30 PM
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
> > >
> > >
> > > > Not interesting, Shamil, FASCINATING!  Yes, I do hope you continue
> > > > this thread.  Please!  I've often thought of this kind of thing
> > > > but have never had time to really pursue it.
> > > >
> > > > Charlotte Foust
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Shamil Salakhetdinov [mailto:shamil at users.mns.ru]
> > > > Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 10:02 AM
> > > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Charlotte,
> > > >
> > > > Your <VBG> means you're interested in continuation of this
> > > > subject/thread or...? In my plans is to extend and make all the
> > > > source
> > >
> > > > code available. How soon it will happen this is an open question -
> > > > I have an urgent project here. But I do plan to continue this
> > > > thread and
> > >
> > > > work if this looks interesting for you and others here. Maybe even
> > > > make it open source project here when first useful results will be
> > > > achieved? It would be interesting I guess to make it also
> > > > XP(eXtreme
> > > > Programming) style work with your being subject area expert - I mean
> > > > your best knowing in what scenarios and in what business areas is
> > > > the best to use MS Access in bound but disconnected mode with most
> > > > of the software (MS Access FE
> > > > databases) developed by power users but integrated by "mighty MS
> > > > Access developers"? :)
> > > >
> > > > I know how to do all that, I know how to make MS Access
> > > > applications assembly factories etc. - I have all that experience
> > > > and I can share it if/when I will have spare time - is that
> > > > interesting?
> > > >
> > > > Shamil
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
> > > > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > > Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 7:35 PM
> > > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Oooohhh, I think I'm in love!  <VBG>
> > > > >
> > > > > Charlotte Foust
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Shamil Salakhetdinov [mailto:shamil at users.mns.ru]
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 4:46 AM
> > > > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient
> > > > > applications..
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > No, William, this is not replication - here is what I mean in
> > > > > short:
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.smsconsulting.spb.ru/shamil_s/articles/ddo.htm
> > > > >
> > > > > Shamil
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "William Hindman" <dejpolsys at hotmail.com>
> > > > > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > > > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 3:47 AM
> > > > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient
> > > > > applications..
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Shamil
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ..I must be missing something ...that sounds like replication
> > > > > > to me.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > William
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil at users.mns.ru>
> > > > > > To: "!DBA-MAIN" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 7:28 PM
> > > > > > Subject: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hi All,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I wanted to ask you - what about the subject? Anybody
> > > > > > > uses/interested to use MS Access client applications this
> > > > > > > way?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Do I miss obvious (RTFM) stuff and such a disconnected mode
> > > > > > > is already implemented in MS Access and broadly used by MS
> > > > > > > Access developers? Yes,
> > > > > I
> > > > > > > know ADO recordsets can be used with bound MS Access forms
> > > > > > > etc. but this looks like a rather limited feature - am I
> > > > > > > wrong?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > What I mean is cashing data locally into mdbs, only the data
> > > > > > > needed for the currently open form(s) etc., processing this
> > > > > > > data
> > >
> > > > > > > and then updating backend database(mdb, MSDE, MS SQL,
> > > > > > > whatever...)
> > > >
> > > > > > > - with all this cashing and updating made mostly
> > > > > > > automatically by a tiny framework code, based
> > > > > on
> > > > > > > ADO.NET...(yes, this local caching of data is not a new
> > > > > > > subject but nowadays it can be (re-)implement really
> > > > > > > scalable way with a
> > >
> > > > > > > way less efforts
> > > > > than
> > > > > > > before)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Maybe MS plans to do something like that?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Is that a wheel reinvention or anybody here sees such
> > > > > > > opportunity like a really useful feature in their real life
> > > > > > > projects?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > For me it looks like a useful feature because it could help:
> > > > > > > to get MS Access back into mainstream development area
> > > > > > > because it will allow to easily scale applications with MS
> > > > > > > Access front-ends...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > There are many other ideas but most of them in this "ideas
> > > > > > > pool"
> > >
> > > > > > > based
> > > > > on
> > > > > > > the subject one - if it doesn't make sense for real-life
> > > > > > > projects then
> > > > > I'd
> > > > > > > better stop working on it...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > What is your opinion about the subject?
> > > > > > > When you expect MS will do something like that in MS Access?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thank you,
> > > > > > > Shamil
> > > > > > >
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu Aug 18 20:16:40 2005
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 18:16:40 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Opening an XML recordset
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8689A821@infoserver01.infostat.local>

I've never tried to do what you're doing, but here's a sample of the
relevant part of an xml doc persisted from Access using the MSPersist
driver.  Is that useful at all?

Charlotte

<xml xmlns:s='uuid:BDC6E3F0-6DA3-11d1-A2A3-00AA00C14882'
	xmlns:dt='uuid:C2F41010-65B3-11d1-A29F-00AA00C14882'
	xmlns:rs='urn:schemas-microsoft-com:rowset'
	xmlns:z='#RowsetSchema'>
<s:Schema id='RowsetSchema'>
	<s:ElementType name='row' content='eltOnly' rs:updatable='true'>
		<s:AttributeType name='CustomerID' rs:number='1'
rs:nullable='true' rs:maydefer='true' rs:write='true'
rs:basetable='tblOrders'
			 rs:basecolumn='CustomerID'>
			<s:datatype dt:type='string' dt:maxLength='5'/>
		</s:AttributeType>
		<s:AttributeType name='EmployeeID' rs:number='2'
rs:nullable='true' rs:maydefer='true' rs:write='true'
rs:basetable='tblOrders'
			 rs:basecolumn='EmployeeID'>
			<s:datatype dt:type='int' dt:maxLength='4'
rs:precision='10' rs:fixedlength='true'/>
		</s:AttributeType>
		<s:AttributeType name='Freight' rs:number='3'
rs:nullable='true' rs:maydefer='true' rs:write='true'
rs:basetable='tblOrders'
			 rs:basecolumn='Freight'>
			<s:datatype dt:type='number'
rs:dbtype='currency' dt:maxLength='8' rs:precision='19'
rs:fixedlength='true'/>
		</s:AttributeType>
		<s:AttributeType name='OrderDate' rs:number='4'
rs:nullable='true' rs:maydefer='true' rs:write='true'
rs:basetable='tblOrders'
			 rs:basecolumn='OrderDate'>
			<s:datatype dt:type='dateTime'
rs:dbtype='variantdate' dt:maxLength='16' rs:fixedlength='true'/>
		</s:AttributeType>
		<s:AttributeType name='OrderID' rs:number='5'
rs:maydefer='true' rs:writeunknown='true' rs:basetable='tblOrders'
			 rs:basecolumn='OrderID'
rs:autoincrement='true'>
			<s:datatype dt:type='int' dt:maxLength='4'
rs:precision='10' rs:fixedlength='true'/>
		</s:AttributeType>
		<s:AttributeType name='RequiredDate' rs:number='6'
rs:nullable='true' rs:maydefer='true' rs:write='true'
rs:basetable='tblOrders'
			 rs:basecolumn='RequiredDate'>
			<s:datatype dt:type='dateTime'
rs:dbtype='variantdate' dt:maxLength='16' rs:fixedlength='true'/>
		</s:AttributeType>
		<s:AttributeType name='ShipAddress' rs:number='7'
rs:nullable='true' rs:maydefer='true' rs:write='true'
rs:basetable='tblOrders'
			 rs:basecolumn='ShipAddress'>
			<s:datatype dt:type='string' dt:maxLength='60'/>
		</s:AttributeType>
		<s:AttributeType name='ShipCity' rs:number='8'
rs:nullable='true' rs:maydefer='true' rs:write='true'
rs:basetable='tblOrders'
			 rs:basecolumn='ShipCity'>
			<s:datatype dt:type='string' dt:maxLength='15'/>
		</s:AttributeType>
		<s:AttributeType name='ShipCountry' rs:number='9'
rs:nullable='true' rs:maydefer='true' rs:write='true'
rs:basetable='tblOrders'
			 rs:basecolumn='ShipCountry'>
			<s:datatype dt:type='string' dt:maxLength='15'/>
		</s:AttributeType>
		<s:AttributeType name='ShipName' rs:number='10'
rs:nullable='true' rs:maydefer='true' rs:write='true'
rs:basetable='tblOrders'
			 rs:basecolumn='ShipName'>
			<s:datatype dt:type='string' dt:maxLength='40'/>
		</s:AttributeType>
		<s:AttributeType name='ShippedDate' rs:number='11'
rs:nullable='true' rs:maydefer='true' rs:write='true'
rs:basetable='tblOrders'
			 rs:basecolumn='ShippedDate'>
			<s:datatype dt:type='dateTime'
rs:dbtype='variantdate' dt:maxLength='16' rs:fixedlength='true'/>
		</s:AttributeType>
		<s:AttributeType name='ShipPostalCode' rs:number='12'
rs:nullable='true' rs:maydefer='true' rs:write='true'
			 rs:basetable='tblOrders'
rs:basecolumn='ShipPostalCode'>
			<s:datatype dt:type='string' dt:maxLength='10'/>
		</s:AttributeType>
		<s:AttributeType name='ShipRegion' rs:number='13'
rs:nullable='true' rs:maydefer='true' rs:write='true'
rs:basetable='tblOrders'
			 rs:basecolumn='ShipRegion'>
			<s:datatype dt:type='string' dt:maxLength='15'/>
		</s:AttributeType>
		<s:AttributeType name='ShipVia' rs:number='14'
rs:nullable='true' rs:maydefer='true' rs:write='true'
rs:basetable='tblOrders'
			 rs:basecolumn='ShipVia'>
			<s:datatype dt:type='int' dt:maxLength='4'
rs:precision='10' rs:fixedlength='true'/>
		</s:AttributeType>
		<s:extends type='rs:rowbase'/>
	</s:ElementType>
</s:Schema>
<rs:data>
	<z:row CustomerID='ALFKI' EmployeeID='4' Freight='61.02'
OrderDate='1997-10-03T00:00:00' OrderID='10692'
RequiredDate='1997-10-31T00:00:00'
		 ShipAddress='Obere Str. 57' ShipCity='Berlin'
ShipCountry='Germany' ShipName='Alfreds Futterkiste'
ShippedDate='1997-10-13T00:00:00'
		 ShipPostalCode='12209' ShipVia='2'/>


-----Original Message-----
From: Francisco Tapia [mailto:fhtapia at gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 4:10 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Opening an XML recordset


I have an XML document that I obtain from a webservice, I was able to
creat 
the schema and using XMLPad I can see that it is infact a valid
document, 
(see below). However the error Message I get from Access (2000) is that 
"Recordset cannot be created. Source XML is incomplete or invalid."

How can I make the following document a valid xml document for opening
as an 
ado recordset, ie:
rst.Open "C:\ShipVia.xml", "Provider=MSPersist;", adOpenDynamic, 
adLockReadOnly, adCmdFile


thanks,

I abbreviated the doc for simplyfing the post.

<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
<root xmlns:xsd="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema" 
xmlns:od="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:officedata">
<xsd:schema>
<xsd:element name="ArrayOfWSShipViaItem">
<xsd:complexType>
<xsd:sequence>
<xsd:element ref="WSShipViaItem" minOccurs="0" maxOccurs="unbounded"/>
</xsd:sequence> <xsd:attribute name="generated" type="xsd:dateTime"/>
</xsd:complexType> </xsd:element> <xsd:element name="WSShipViaItem">
<xsd:annotation> <xsd:appinfo/> </xsd:annotation> <xsd:complexType>
<xsd:sequence> <xsd:element name="ID" minOccurs="0" od:jetType="text" 
od:sqlSType="nvarchar">
<xsd:simpleType>
<xsd:restriction base="xsd:string">
<xsd:maxLength value="255"/>
</xsd:restriction>
</xsd:simpleType>
</xsd:element>
<xsd:element name="Description" minOccurs="0" od:jetType="text" 
od:sqlSType="nvarchar">
<xsd:simpleType>
<xsd:restriction base="xsd:string">
<xsd:maxLength value="255"/>
</xsd:restriction>
</xsd:simpleType>
</xsd:element>
</xsd:sequence>
</xsd:complexType>
</xsd:element>
</xsd:schema>
<ArrayOfWSShipViaItem xmlns:xsd="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema" 
xmlns:xsi="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema-instance" xmlns="
http://HAASService.org//WSAvanteData">
<WSShipViaItem>
<ID>10</ID>
<Description>FED EX P1176208147 (SKINNER)</Description> </WSShipViaItem>
</ArrayOfWSShipViaItem> </root>


-- 
-Francisco


From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Thu Aug 18 22:57:14 2005
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 20:57:14 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Opening an XML recordset
References: <b874372a05081816107f8e0578@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4305589A.1030003@shaw.ca>

The XML parses okay but you are trying to bring in a flat xml file with 
a self-contained xsd file
The ado call is expecting an ADTG formatted xml (MS special xml format 
definition for an ado recordset)  
As Charlotte said. You are going to have to parse each element out to a 
recordset field via the DOM.
Not a pleasant task. Generally when I use SOAP from a web service I 
parse out the relevant field strings
via XPATH from the DOM, if am I getting a limited amount of data say 
less than 1 K..
This is a lot easier to do with SQLXML

You could apply this xslt transform to remove all the ADTG junk to 
create a flat xml.
but that is not what you need.
ADOGeneric.xsl
<?xml version='1.0'?>
<xsl:stylesheet version="1.0" 
xmlns:xsl="http://www.w3.org/1999/XSL/Transform" 
xmlns:s="uuid:BDC6E3F0-6DA3-11d1-A2A3-00AA00C14882" xmlns:z="#RowsetSchema">
    <s:Schema id="RowsetSchema"/>
<xsl:output method="xml" omit-xml-declaration="yes" />
<xsl:template match="/">
    <xsl:apply-templates select="//z:row"/>
</xsl:template>

<xsl:template match="z:row">
    <xsl:text disable-output-escaping="yes">&lt;row&gt;</xsl:text>
        <xsl:for-each select="@*">
            <xsl:text disable-output-escaping="yes">&lt;</xsl:text>
            <xsl:value-of select="name()"/>
            <xsl:text disable-output-escaping="yes">&gt;</xsl:text>
            <xsl:value-of select="."/>
            <xsl:text disable-output-escaping="yes">&lt;/</xsl:text>
            <xsl:value-of select="name()"/>
            <xsl:text disable-output-escaping="yes">&gt;</xsl:text>
        </xsl:for-each>
    <xsl:text disable-output-escaping="yes">&lt;/row&gt;</xsl:text>
</xsl:template>
</xsl:stylesheet>


Francisco Tapia wrote:

>I have an XML document that I obtain from a webservice, I was able to creat 
>the schema and using XMLPad I can see that it is infact a valid document, 
>(see below). However the error Message I get from Access (2000) is that 
>"Recordset cannot be created. Source XML is incomplete or invalid."
>
>How can I make the following document a valid xml document for opening as an 
>ado recordset, ie:
>rst.Open "C:\ShipVia.xml", "Provider=MSPersist;", adOpenDynamic, 
>adLockReadOnly, adCmdFile
>
>
>thanks,
>
>I abbreviated the doc for simplyfing the post.
>
><?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
><root xmlns:xsd="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema" 
>xmlns:od="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:officedata">
><xsd:schema>
><xsd:element name="ArrayOfWSShipViaItem">
><xsd:complexType>
><xsd:sequence>
><xsd:element ref="WSShipViaItem" minOccurs="0" maxOccurs="unbounded"/>
></xsd:sequence>
><xsd:attribute name="generated" type="xsd:dateTime"/>
></xsd:complexType>
></xsd:element>
><xsd:element name="WSShipViaItem">
><xsd:annotation>
><xsd:appinfo/>
></xsd:annotation>
><xsd:complexType>
><xsd:sequence>
><xsd:element name="ID" minOccurs="0" od:jetType="text" 
>od:sqlSType="nvarchar">
><xsd:simpleType>
><xsd:restriction base="xsd:string">
><xsd:maxLength value="255"/>
></xsd:restriction>
></xsd:simpleType>
></xsd:element>
><xsd:element name="Description" minOccurs="0" od:jetType="text" 
>od:sqlSType="nvarchar">
><xsd:simpleType>
><xsd:restriction base="xsd:string">
><xsd:maxLength value="255"/>
></xsd:restriction>
></xsd:simpleType>
></xsd:element>
></xsd:sequence>
></xsd:complexType>
></xsd:element>
></xsd:schema>
><ArrayOfWSShipViaItem xmlns:xsd="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema" 
>xmlns:xsi="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema-instance" xmlns="
>http://HAASService.org//WSAvanteData">
><WSShipViaItem>
><ID>10</ID>
><Description>FED EX P1176208147 (SKINNER)</Description>
></WSShipViaItem>
></ArrayOfWSShipViaItem>
></root>
>
>
>  
>

-- 
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada





From shamil at users.mns.ru  Fri Aug 19 00:54:24 2005
From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 09:54:24 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Why did Mac switch to Intel revisted
References: <0ILG00CAK1DE5C@l-daemon>
Message-ID: <004701c5a482$793d9570$6401a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru>

> Another reason why Mac switched?
I did read about multi-core Intel processors but I didn't know Interl
acquired Russian Elbrus team and technology to design them:
http://www.ournet.md/~hi-tech/elbrus_e2k.html
<<<
The new processor is expected to perform from three to five times faster
than Merced processor from Intel. E2K will require lower power, and its
manufacturing will appear considerably cheaper than that of Merced;
>>>

Before that Intel used one of the former Elbrus engineers...
<<<
Vladimir Pentkovski is a Principal Engineer in the Microprocessor Product
Group in Folsom. He was one of the architects in the core team, which
defined the Internet Streaming SIMD Extensions of IA-32 architecture.
Vladimir led the development of Pentium III processor architecture and
performance analysis. Previously he led the development of compilers and
software and hardware support for programming languages for Elbrus
multi-processor computers in Russia. Vladimir holds a Doctor of Science
degree and Ph.D. degree in computer science and engineering from Russia
>>>

...now, they got all of them. (That's a pity of course this country,
wonderland Russia, is selling out and loosing her best people :(
Just a few left when I look around. Sad story...)

BTW, IMO one of the reasons to closely look on what eXtreme Programmers
practiones say and do: Intel processors are getting multi-core.
Therefore  the trend is to write software, which can be executed on several
processors in parallel - these are exactly "low coupled, highly cohesive"
"intelligent" objects. MS will make it possible for sure in one of the next
versions of VS.NET to execute .NET Framework assemblies' object instances on
different processors on multi-core Intel systems: traffic light on
crossroads metaphor I mentioned already - traffic light object runs on one
processor, every car object coming to crossroad - run on another processor
or shared processors if there are a few of them - all of them independent
and all their independent behavior is simulated on parallel processors...
 - now you see the endless performance boost possibility here?
The quantity of cores on multi-core Intel systems will grow endlessly
 with time - and so the overall performance will grow....

Be ready and prepare your brain to this "mentality shift" in programming -
to stay competetive on the market...

And VS.NET is already using broadly declarative programming  with
attributes - to mark an object as an "independent entity" belonging to this
or that category (read running on independent core) is by just adding some
attributes to the object code. Even more - .NET Assemblies can be changed on
the fly using Reflection therefore such attributes can be "injected" on
run-time. Even more.... yes, what they are doing with C# 2.0 and what they
plan to do with C# 3.0 - all that becoming more and more "crazy" and
flexible - real SOFTware can be written using this current and coming
development tools...

Shamil

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Subject: [AccessD] OT: Why did Mac switch to Intel revisted


> OT:
>
> Another reason why Mac switched? http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=25496
>
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From Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org  Fri Aug 19 07:22:39 2005
From: Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 08:22:39 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] copy string to clipboard
Message-ID: <08F823FD83787D4BA0B99CA580AD3C74016C3CDE@TTNEXCHCL2.hshhp.com>

I meant gaining access to the clipboard.  Obviously a method call is a method call.

Jim D.

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Heenan,
Lambert
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 10:54 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] copy string to clipboard


Which is simpler

ClipPutText MyString 

Or 

Clipboard.SetText "Jim D"

Answer: they are both real simple.  But In the first case all you need is
the code for the ClipPutText routine stashed away in a module, which you can
then treat as a black box, and in the second case you have to distribute a
DLL and ensure that it gets registered properly (assuming the user has
privileges to register DLLs). I know which way I would go! :-)

Lambert

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim DeMarco
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 9:56 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] copy string to clipboard


If you have VB and don't mind shipping a dll with your app it's much
simpler.

<snip>
Clipboard.SetText "Jim D"
Me.Text1.Text = Clipboard.GetText
</snip>

Jim DeMarco

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 2:25 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] copy string to clipboard


Hi Bruce:

I have some code that I have been using for years, mostly for debugging
purposes. It just copies a string up into the clip board and it doesn't look
as ugly as the code from Terry Kreft.

The following code resides in a miodule declaration area:

<code>
'Whole bunch of APIs which allow text to be copied to clipboard... Private
Declare Function OpenClipboard Lib "User32" (ByVal hWnd&) As Long Private
Declare Function EmptyClipboard Lib "User32" () As Long Private Declare
Function GetClipboardData Lib "User32" (ByVal wFormat&) As Long Private
Declare Function SetClipboardData Lib "User32" (ByVal wFormat&, _
        ByVal hMem&) As Long
Private Declare Function CloseClipboard Lib "User32" () As Long ' Private
Declare Function GlobalAlloc Lib "kernel32" (ByVal wFlags&, _
        ByVal dwBytes&) As Long
Private Declare Function GlobalLock Lib "kernel32" (ByVal hMem&) As Long
Private Declare Function GlobalUnlock Lib "kernel32" (ByVal hMem&) As Long '
Private Declare Function lstrcpy Lib "kernel32" (ByVal lpString1 As Any, _
        ByVal lpString2 As Any) As Long
</code>

And the remainder is place in a module's function area:

<code>
Public Sub ClipPutText(lsText As String)
    ' Stores text on the clipboard

    Dim hMem As Long
    Const GHND = &H42
    
    hMem = GlobalAlloc(GHND, Len(lsText) + 1)
    lstrcpy GlobalLock(hMem), lsText
    If GlobalUnlock(hMem) = 0 Then
        If OpenClipboard(0&) <> 0 Then
            EmptyClipboard
            SetClipboardData 1, hMem
            CloseClipboard
        End If
    End If
    
End Sub
</code>

And it can be called from anywhere; forms, reports or modules like so:

ClipPutText MyString  'Place the string 'MyString into the clipboard


HTH
Jim
 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bruen, Bruce
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 7:29 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] copy string to clipboard

This must! be simple.
 
I have a string variable created by concatenating the values of several form
fields.  So how can I copy the value of this string to the clipboard?
 
Private Sub Command35_Click()
    Dim refstr As String
    refstr = "RCRef=|" & Me.ucref & "|" & Me.testname & "|" & Me.TestID &
"|"
    Debug.Print refstr
    Stop
    ':-( Runcmd accmdStickTheStringInTheClipboard :-(
End Sub
 
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From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Fri Aug 19 08:23:10 2005
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 09:23:10 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] New Record Appearing on Top
References: <000001c5a269$2bb3b2f0$0300a8c0@danwaters>
Message-ID: <4305DD3E.2080103@torchlake.com>

Dan, that is great.  I often have my subform records sorted in 
descending order, but I never knew how I could make the new record 
appear to be at the top while it was being created.  Thank you.  I have 
a new tool.
Tina Norris Fields

Dan Waters wrote:

>Julie,
>
>Yes - and it's a nice feature.  
>
>The way to do this is to create fields directly above the subform container
>that mimic the fields in the continuous form.  These fields will be unbound.
>A user will fill in these fields and push a Save button when done.  The save
>button will cause the data in the unbound fields to be inserted into the
>table behind the subform.  If your subform is sorted in descending order by
>it's autonumber field, then the new record will display at the top of the
>subform.
>
>I use this method in an hours tracking database.  The Save button's click
>event code is shown below:
>
>Private Sub butSaveHours_Click()
>    
>    Dim stgSQL As String
>    
>    stgSQL = "INSERT INTO tblHours (ClientID, Category, SubCategory, Hours,
>ActivityDate, Description)" _
>        & " VALUES (" & txtClientID & ", '" & cboCategory & "', '" &
>cboSubCategory & "', " & txtHours & ", '" & txtActivityDate & "', '" &
>memDescription & "');"
>    DoCmd.SetWarnings False
>    DoCmd.RunSQL stgSQL
>    DoCmd.SetWarnings True
>    
>    cboCategory = Null
>    cboSubCategory = Null
>    txtHours = Null
>    txtActivityDate = Null
>    memDescription = Null
>
>    Me.Refresh
>    
>    cboCategory.SetFocus
>    butSaveHours.Enabled = False
>    
>End Sub
>
>Note that the ClientID field is the Primary Key for the main table and is
>also the Foreign Key for the related sub table.
>
>HTH,
>Dan Waters
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Julie
>Reardon-Taylor
>Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 8:35 AM
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: [AccessD] New Record Appearing on Top
>
>I have seen this question posted before and cannot remember the response.  A
>
>client has asked that the "new" record in a continuous form appear at the 
>top.  I know that Access doesn't work that way.....but is there a way to do 
>this?
>
>
>
>Julie Reardon-Taylor
>PRO-SOFT OF NY, INC.
>44 Public Square Suite #5
>Watertown, NY 13601
>Phone/Fax: (315) 785-0319
>www.pro-soft.net
>
>
>  
>




From dwaters at usinternet.com  Fri Aug 19 08:47:45 2005
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 08:47:45 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] New Record Appearing on Top
In-Reply-To: <10616264.1124457249642.JavaMail.root@sniper21>
Message-ID: <000601c5a4c4$95b41700$0300a8c0@danwaters>

Tina - you are most welcome.  

Dan Waters

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris
Fields
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 8:23 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New Record Appearing on Top

Dan, that is great.  I often have my subform records sorted in 
descending order, but I never knew how I could make the new record 
appear to be at the top while it was being created.  Thank you.  I have 
a new tool.
Tina Norris Fields

Dan Waters wrote:

>Julie,
>
>Yes - and it's a nice feature.  
>
>The way to do this is to create fields directly above the subform container
>that mimic the fields in the continuous form.  These fields will be
unbound.
>A user will fill in these fields and push a Save button when done.  The
save
>button will cause the data in the unbound fields to be inserted into the
>table behind the subform.  If your subform is sorted in descending order by
>it's autonumber field, then the new record will display at the top of the
>subform.
>
>I use this method in an hours tracking database.  The Save button's click
>event code is shown below:
>
>Private Sub butSaveHours_Click()
>    
>    Dim stgSQL As String
>    
>    stgSQL = "INSERT INTO tblHours (ClientID, Category, SubCategory, Hours,
>ActivityDate, Description)" _
>        & " VALUES (" & txtClientID & ", '" & cboCategory & "', '" &
>cboSubCategory & "', " & txtHours & ", '" & txtActivityDate & "', '" &
>memDescription & "');"
>    DoCmd.SetWarnings False
>    DoCmd.RunSQL stgSQL
>    DoCmd.SetWarnings True
>    
>    cboCategory = Null
>    cboSubCategory = Null
>    txtHours = Null
>    txtActivityDate = Null
>    memDescription = Null
>
>    Me.Refresh
>    
>    cboCategory.SetFocus
>    butSaveHours.Enabled = False
>    
>End Sub
>
>Note that the ClientID field is the Primary Key for the main table and is
>also the Foreign Key for the related sub table.
>
>HTH,
>Dan Waters
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Julie
>Reardon-Taylor
>Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 8:35 AM
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: [AccessD] New Record Appearing on Top
>
>I have seen this question posted before and cannot remember the response.
A
>
>client has asked that the "new" record in a continuous form appear at the 
>top.  I know that Access doesn't work that way.....but is there a way to do

>this?
>
>
>
>Julie Reardon-Taylor
>PRO-SOFT OF NY, INC.
>44 Public Square Suite #5
>Watertown, NY 13601
>Phone/Fax: (315) 785-0319
>www.pro-soft.net
>
>
>  
>


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From darsant at gmail.com  Fri Aug 19 10:25:38 2005
From: darsant at gmail.com (Josh McFarlane)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 10:25:38 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Why did Mac switch to Intel revisted
In-Reply-To: <004701c5a482$793d9570$6401a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru>
References: <0ILG00CAK1DE5C@l-daemon>
	<004701c5a482$793d9570$6401a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru>
Message-ID: <53c8e05a05081908257c783205@mail.gmail.com>

On 8/19/05, Shamil Salakhetdinov <shamil at users.mns.ru> wrote:
> And VS.NET is already using broadly declarative programming  with
> attributes - to mark an object as an "independent entity" belonging to this
> or that category (read running on independent core) is by just adding some
> attributes to the object code. Even more - .NET Assemblies can be changed on
> the fly using Reflection therefore such attributes can be "injected" on
> run-time. Even more.... yes, what they are doing with C# 2.0 and what they
> plan to do with C# 3.0 - all that becoming more and more "crazy" and
> flexible - real SOFTware can be written using this current and coming
> development tools...
> 
> Shamil

The question you have to ask yourself is if the added reflection will
bring more problems than it fixes. Modifying already-running code has
never been one of Microsoft's strong points. The Edit and Continue
compiler of VS 2005 is horribly horribly buggy, but not much can be
done to fix it, as it doesn't crash at defined points, it just
randomly crashes everything, including the compiler and the program
that is running.

Due to reflection and JIT compiling, .NET Assemblies are still very
reverse engineerable also, and tend to make it appear like a
Java-similar language. What I'd like to see Microsoft work more
towards is the actual refinement of their other libraries, which they
seem to have left in the dust in .NET. MFC and ATL still have huge
defficiencies in some of their classes (CSocket / CSocketFile /
CArchive comes to mind as a huge one that has never worked as
intented).

Prioritizing threads to logical processors, and even restricting them,
is nothing particularly new. The commands were added when
HyperThreading first hit language support, and it's actually quite
easy to do both hardcoded and real-time.

Good software design policies can always help make your software more
flexible and "crazy".High-level languages can make this apparent by
restricting the design policies you have control over, and making you
more dependant on the language rather than your own design ideas.

Josh McFarlane


From Susan.Klos at fldoe.org  Fri Aug 19 10:26:32 2005
From: Susan.Klos at fldoe.org (Klos, Susan)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 11:26:32 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] "Find" combo box searches more than one table
Message-ID: <D78B10E8D3277D42B76BD76569E5241701246E24@MAIL2.FLDOE.INT>

Yes, Kath, I think that is what I am looking for.  Can you send me a
copy of the code?

 

Susan Klos

Senior Database Analyst

Evaluation and Reporting

Florida Department of Education

850-245-0708 

sc 205-0708

 

Maybe Susan means that the users would like to have a 'search function'
which will find something anywhere in the database.
 
I have had that request before, eg. for a database that tracked travel
agent wholesalers, travel agent retailers, suppliers, clients etc. Users
would get an inquiry from someone and wanted to type in their name and
find all instances anywhere in the system.
 
It depends whether you need to populate a combo or not. In my case I
created an unbound text box and users type in any part of the person's
surname and hit enter.
 
The code then searches through the relevant tables one by one and
populates a results table.
 

Kath

 



From cyx5 at cdc.gov  Fri Aug 19 10:35:54 2005
From: cyx5 at cdc.gov (Nicholson, Karen)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 11:35:54 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] "Find" combo box searches more than one table
Message-ID: <A5B5AA20555F594BA7B6BD2048E49E4376FE5E@m-niosh-5.niosh.cdc.gov>

Oooh.... I want to see it too!  I have over 1235 tables that I am
putting into one table but this code would be great in the meantime. 

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Klos, Susan
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 11:27 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] "Find" combo box searches more than one table

Yes, Kath, I think that is what I am looking for.  Can you send me a
copy of the code?

 

Susan Klos

Senior Database Analyst

Evaluation and Reporting

Florida Department of Education

850-245-0708 

sc 205-0708

 

Maybe Susan means that the users would like to have a 'search function'
which will find something anywhere in the database.
 
I have had that request before, eg. for a database that tracked travel
agent wholesalers, travel agent retailers, suppliers, clients etc. Users
would get an inquiry from someone and wanted to type in their name and
find all instances anywhere in the system.
 
It depends whether you need to populate a combo or not. In my case I
created an unbound text box and users type in any part of the person's
surname and hit enter.
 
The code then searches through the relevant tables one by one and
populates a results table.
 

Kath

 

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri Aug 19 10:47:45 2005
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 08:47:45 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] "Find" combo box searches more than one table
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86873BD8@infoserver01.infostat.local>

I never understood what the user expected to "find" in such a search
function.  Did they want to know every table the value appeared in, did
they want to magically "see" each record in some form?  Are they
expected a treeview showing all the hits in each record in each table?
It isn't hard to find a value by walking the tables, but what did you
want to do with the results?

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Klos, Susan [mailto:Susan.Klos at fldoe.org] 
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 8:27 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] "Find" combo box searches more than one table


Yes, Kath, I think that is what I am looking for.  Can you send me a
copy of the code?

 

Susan Klos

Senior Database Analyst

Evaluation and Reporting

Florida Department of Education

850-245-0708 

sc 205-0708

 

Maybe Susan means that the users would like to have a 'search function'
which will find something anywhere in the database.
 
I have had that request before, eg. for a database that tracked travel
agent wholesalers, travel agent retailers, suppliers, clients etc. Users
would get an inquiry from someone and wanted to type in their name and
find all instances anywhere in the system.
 
It depends whether you need to populate a combo or not. In my case I
created an unbound text box and users type in any part of the person's
surname and hit enter.
 
The code then searches through the relevant tables one by one and
populates a results table.
 

Kath

 

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From shamil at users.mns.ru  Fri Aug 19 11:09:33 2005
From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 20:09:33 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Why did Mac switch to Intel revisted
References: <0ILG00CAK1DE5C@l-daemon><004701c5a482$793d9570$6401a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru>
	<53c8e05a05081908257c783205@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000f01c5a4d8$69f78ed0$6401a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru>

Josh,

Do you mean VS.NET 2005 Beta 2 when you talk about Edit & Continue feature?
You guess they will never be able to make it stable? (they managed to do
that with VB6 and even in MS Access 2003 (although both VB6 and MS Access
2003 still may crash unexpectedly in complicated cases) - they will probably
make it working stable somewhere in not that far future? No any hopes you
think?

By using reflection I mean injecting specific attributes BEFORE Just-in-time
compilation, just as one of thr possible ways to do that, in fact it will
not be needed probably because attributes will be inline with the source
code...

Did you try any of obfuscators or other methods to protect compiled code
from reverse engineering? - I did - and I found they are good enough even
the cheap ones, and expensive ones are very good.

I have heard they made good progress with ATL in VS.NET 2005. But I can't
judge here because I do use ATL a few.

I didn't know that much about prioritizing threads to logical processors and
HyperThreading.
Yes, I may also say that what MS and Intel are doing now - a lot of that is
deja' vue - they got acuiqred a lot of that from the companies they bought
etc. but they are compiling all that stuff now and adding their own very
well IMO and they are developing very promising new technologies on top of
that "deja' vue" knowledge and experience. (and no, I was never "crazy"
about technologies...)

"Good software design policies" if I got that correctly is a very broad term
Do you mean they can restrict also the quantity of attributes and methods of
a class? If yes - could you please post an example of such software design
ploicy here or give a reference to it, which also shows that it worked in a
real life project?

Shamil

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From: "Josh McFarlane" <darsant at gmail.com>
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Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 7:25 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Why did Mac switch to Intel revisted


> On 8/19/05, Shamil Salakhetdinov <shamil at users.mns.ru> wrote:
> > And VS.NET is already using broadly declarative programming  with
> > attributes - to mark an object as an "independent entity" belonging to
this
> > or that category (read running on independent core) is by just adding
some
> > attributes to the object code. Even more - .NET Assemblies can be
changed on
> > the fly using Reflection therefore such attributes can be "injected" on
> > run-time. Even more.... yes, what they are doing with C# 2.0 and what
they
> > plan to do with C# 3.0 - all that becoming more and more "crazy" and
> > flexible - real SOFTware can be written using this current and coming
> > development tools...
> >
> > Shamil
>
> The question you have to ask yourself is if the added reflection will
> bring more problems than it fixes. Modifying already-running code has
> never been one of Microsoft's strong points. The Edit and Continue
> compiler of VS 2005 is horribly horribly buggy, but not much can be
> done to fix it, as it doesn't crash at defined points, it just
> randomly crashes everything, including the compiler and the program
> that is running.
>
> Due to reflection and JIT compiling, .NET Assemblies are still very
> reverse engineerable also, and tend to make it appear like a
> Java-similar language. What I'd like to see Microsoft work more
> towards is the actual refinement of their other libraries, which they
> seem to have left in the dust in .NET. MFC and ATL still have huge
> defficiencies in some of their classes (CSocket / CSocketFile /
> CArchive comes to mind as a huge one that has never worked as
> intented).
>
> Prioritizing threads to logical processors, and even restricting them,
> is nothing particularly new. The commands were added when
> HyperThreading first hit language support, and it's actually quite
> easy to do both hardcoded and real-time.
>
> Good software design policies can always help make your software more
> flexible and "crazy".High-level languages can make this apparent by
> restricting the design policies you have control over, and making you
> more dependant on the language rather than your own design ideas.
>
> Josh McFarlane
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From Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com  Fri Aug 19 11:15:42 2005
From: Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com (Hale, Jim)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 11:15:42 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] AS400 data upload (Lost in Translation)
Message-ID: <6A6AA9DF57E4F046BDA1E273BDDB677233779F@corp-es01.fleetpride.com>

I imported tables into Access from the AS400 using IBM's client Access ODBC
driver. I updated the tables in Access, emptied the tables on the AS400 and
uploaded the Updated Access data to the AS400 via an append query (the AS400
tables were linked via the ODBC driver). This worked fine except for one
table. The table came from the AS400 with blank fields. When I tried to
upload it back the AS400 puked saying I was trying to place nulls in the
field. The AS400 guys tell me the AS400 does not have nulls, that the field
is really  a blank (hex 40?). How can I change my query so that the AS400
will accept it? Use an empty string? Use the ASC equivalent of hex 40? TIA

Jim Hale

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From Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org  Fri Aug 19 11:43:20 2005
From: Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 12:43:20 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT : Friday Freebie
Message-ID: <08F823FD83787D4BA0B99CA580AD3C74016C3CE9@TTNEXCHCL2.hshhp.com>

Hello All,

I'm in the process of revamping my web site but I posted a couple of new downloads one of which is very temporary (but I'll make available to this list for the rest of today).

1. A new drum solo by son Jimmy
2. The first completed track from my upcoming solo EP - this will be replaced by a short clip of the tune this evening so if you want it get it now

Both are recorded at my home studio and I welcome comments from any recording enthusiasts (music fans are welcome to comment as well).  Jimmy has been kind enough to record these solos to help me get my recording chops together.  Everytime I get new gear he records another track for me!!

The site you'll see is temporary so please NO comments on that!!!

Enjoy,

Jim (preparing to ride my motorcycle home in the rain) DeMarco


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From marcus at tsstech.com  Fri Aug 19 12:10:49 2005
From: marcus at tsstech.com (Scott Marcus)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 13:10:49 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT : Friday Freebie
Message-ID: <B7B1803D6973C84F97D412AFCDA8EA7D02B37C77@2003exchg.TSS.AD>

And your website URL would be...

Scott Marcus
IT Programmer
TSS Technologies Inc.
www.tss.com


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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim DeMarco
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 12:43 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] OT : Friday Freebie

Hello All,

I'm in the process of revamping my web site but I posted a couple of new
downloads one of which is very temporary (but I'll make available to
this list for the rest of today).

1. A new drum solo by son Jimmy
2. The first completed track from my upcoming solo EP - this will be
replaced by a short clip of the tune this evening so if you want it get
it now

Both are recorded at my home studio and I welcome comments from any
recording enthusiasts (music fans are welcome to comment as well).
Jimmy has been kind enough to record these solos to help me get my
recording chops together.  Everytime I get new gear he records another
track for me!!

The site you'll see is temporary so please NO comments on that!!!

Enjoy,

Jim (preparing to ride my motorcycle home in the rain) DeMarco


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From cyx5 at cdc.gov  Fri Aug 19 12:13:10 2005
From: cyx5 at cdc.gov (Nicholson, Karen)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 13:13:10 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] "Find" combo box searches more than one table
Message-ID: <A5B5AA20555F594BA7B6BD2048E49E4376FE61@m-niosh-5.niosh.cdc.gov>

In my case, I have part numbers that are stored in over 1000 different
tables.  Management wants to find a part number.  It is not (yet) in a
central location, but I am working on it.  To find a part number, the
person would have to know the manufacturer before they can find the part
number.  Management does not know that. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 11:48 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] "Find" combo box searches more than one table

I never understood what the user expected to "find" in such a search
function.  Did they want to know every table the value appeared in, did
they want to magically "see" each record in some form?  Are they
expected a treeview showing all the hits in each record in each table?
It isn't hard to find a value by walking the tables, but what did you
want to do with the results?

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Klos, Susan [mailto:Susan.Klos at fldoe.org]
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 8:27 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] "Find" combo box searches more than one table


Yes, Kath, I think that is what I am looking for.  Can you send me a
copy of the code?

 

Susan Klos

Senior Database Analyst

Evaluation and Reporting

Florida Department of Education

850-245-0708 

sc 205-0708

 

Maybe Susan means that the users would like to have a 'search function'
which will find something anywhere in the database.
 
I have had that request before, eg. for a database that tracked travel
agent wholesalers, travel agent retailers, suppliers, clients etc. Users
would get an inquiry from someone and wanted to type in their name and
find all instances anywhere in the system.
 
It depends whether you need to populate a combo or not. In my case I
created an unbound text box and users type in any part of the person's
surname and hit enter.
 
The code then searches through the relevant tables one by one and
populates a results table.
 

Kath

 

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From Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org  Fri Aug 19 12:14:49 2005
From: Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 13:14:49 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT : Friday Freebie
Message-ID: <08F823FD83787D4BA0B99CA580AD3C74016C3CEC@TTNEXCHCL2.hshhp.com>

Details, details... http://www.rocktillyadrop.com

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Scott Marcus
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 1:11 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT : Friday Freebie


And your website URL would be...

Scott Marcus
IT Programmer
TSS Technologies Inc.
www.tss.com


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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim DeMarco
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 12:43 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] OT : Friday Freebie

Hello All,

I'm in the process of revamping my web site but I posted a couple of new
downloads one of which is very temporary (but I'll make available to
this list for the rest of today).

1. A new drum solo by son Jimmy
2. The first completed track from my upcoming solo EP - this will be
replaced by a short clip of the tune this evening so if you want it get
it now

Both are recorded at my home studio and I welcome comments from any
recording enthusiasts (music fans are welcome to comment as well).
Jimmy has been kind enough to record these solos to help me get my
recording chops together.  Everytime I get new gear he records another
track for me!!

The site you'll see is temporary so please NO comments on that!!!

Enjoy,

Jim (preparing to ride my motorcycle home in the rain) DeMarco


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From Susan.Klos at fldoe.org  Fri Aug 19 12:24:15 2005
From: Susan.Klos at fldoe.org (Klos, Susan)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 13:24:15 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] (no subject)
Message-ID: <D78B10E8D3277D42B76BD76569E5241701246E49@MAIL2.FLDOE.INT>

Once I have found the record in the table I want to open a form that
shows me that record.  Let me go back to my original problem.  I have
several tables of contacts.  I have a form with a tabbed subform.  Once
I have used my find form to search my various contacts tables and found
the contact, I want the first tab to show me all the data about the
contact, then I want the second tab to show me the data from the phone
conversations I have had with that contact.  These are linked through a
linking table by contactID.  If the person I am trying to find is not in
one of those contact tables, then I want the form to open up blank so I
can type in the information which would be loaded into a different
'people' table.  If anyone can help me on this, I would be very
grateful.  Thank.s

 

Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 08:47:45 -0700

From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>

Subject: RE: [AccessD] "Find" combo box searches more than one table

To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"

      <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>

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I never understood what the user expected to "find" in such a search
function.  Did they want to know every table the value appeared in, did
they want to magically "see" each record in some form?  Are they
expected a treeview showing all the hits in each record in each table?
It isn't hard to find a value by walking the tables, but what did you
want to do with the results?

 

Charlotte Foust

 

 

Susan Klos

Senior Database Analyst

Evaluation and Reporting

Florida Department of Education

850-245-0708 

sc 205-0708

 



From garykjos at gmail.com  Fri Aug 19 13:01:53 2005
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 13:01:53 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] AS400 data upload (Lost in Translation)
In-Reply-To: <6A6AA9DF57E4F046BDA1E273BDDB677233779F@corp-es01.fleetpride.com>
References: <6A6AA9DF57E4F046BDA1E273BDDB677233779F@corp-es01.fleetpride.com>
Message-ID: <aea6c49505081911013d90d5f8@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Jim,

I think not an empty string but a single space character surrounded by
the appropriate quotation marks is what I would use.  Hex 40 is EBCDIC
for a space. ASCII space is hex 20.  Evidently the space it originally
contained got stripped as part of a "trim" trailing spaces that the
file transfer did for you - which you would have preferred in this
case that it hadn't done.

Give it a space and you should be good to go.

Gary

On 8/19/05, Hale, Jim <Jim.Hale at fleetpride.com> wrote:
> I imported tables into Access from the AS400 using IBM's client Access ODBC
> driver. I updated the tables in Access, emptied the tables on the AS400 and
> uploaded the Updated Access data to the AS400 via an append query (the AS400
> tables were linked via the ODBC driver). This worked fine except for one
> table. The table came from the AS400 with blank fields. When I tried to
> upload it back the AS400 puked saying I was trying to place nulls in the
> field. The AS400 guys tell me the AS400 does not have nulls, that the field
> is really  a blank (hex 40?). How can I change my query so that the AS400
> will accept it? Use an empty string? Use the ASC equivalent of hex 40? TIA
> 
> Jim Hale
> 
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From Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com  Fri Aug 19 13:13:14 2005
From: Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com (Hale, Jim)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 13:13:14 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] (no subject)
Message-ID: <6A6AA9DF57E4F046BDA1E273BDDB67723377A0@corp-es01.fleetpride.com>

If the contact tables have the same structure why not create a union query
and in the criteria put the key of the record you are looking for so the
result set would have the record(s) you want.
Jim Hale
-----Original Message-----
From: Klos, Susan [mailto:Susan.Klos at fldoe.org]
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 12:24 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] (no subject)


Once I have found the record in the table I want to open a form that
shows me that record.  Let me go back to my original problem.  I have
several tables of contacts.  I have a form with a tabbed subform.  Once
I have used my find form to search my various contacts tables and found
the contact, I want the first tab to show me all the data about the
contact, then I want the second tab to show me the data from the phone
conversations I have had with that contact.  These are linked through a
linking table by contactID.  If the person I am trying to find is not in
one of those contact tables, then I want the form to open up blank so I
can type in the information which would be loaded into a different
'people' table.  If anyone can help me on this, I would be very
grateful.  Thank.s

 

Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 08:47:45 -0700

From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>

Subject: RE: [AccessD] "Find" combo box searches more than one table

To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"

      <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>

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Content-Type: text/plain;     charset="us-ascii"

 

I never understood what the user expected to "find" in such a search
function.  Did they want to know every table the value appeared in, did
they want to magically "see" each record in some form?  Are they
expected a treeview showing all the hits in each record in each table?
It isn't hard to find a value by walking the tables, but what did you
want to do with the results?

 

Charlotte Foust

 

 

Susan Klos

Senior Database Analyst

Evaluation and Reporting

Florida Department of Education

850-245-0708 

sc 205-0708

 

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From Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com  Fri Aug 19 13:14:29 2005
From: Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com (Hale, Jim)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 13:14:29 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] AS400 data upload (Lost in Translation)
Message-ID: <6A6AA9DF57E4F046BDA1E273BDDB67723377A1@corp-es01.fleetpride.com>

Thanks!
Jim Hale

-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Kjos [mailto:garykjos at gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 1:02 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] AS400 data upload (Lost in Translation)


Hi Jim,

I think not an empty string but a single space character surrounded by
the appropriate quotation marks is what I would use.  Hex 40 is EBCDIC
for a space. ASCII space is hex 20.  Evidently the space it originally
contained got stripped as part of a "trim" trailing spaces that the
file transfer did for you - which you would have preferred in this
case that it hadn't done.

Give it a space and you should be good to go.

Gary

On 8/19/05, Hale, Jim <Jim.Hale at fleetpride.com> wrote:
> I imported tables into Access from the AS400 using IBM's client Access
ODBC
> driver. I updated the tables in Access, emptied the tables on the AS400
and
> uploaded the Updated Access data to the AS400 via an append query (the
AS400
> tables were linked via the ODBC driver). This worked fine except for one
> table. The table came from the AS400 with blank fields. When I tried to
> upload it back the AS400 puked saying I was trying to place nulls in the
> field. The AS400 guys tell me the AS400 does not have nulls, that the
field
> is really  a blank (hex 40?). How can I change my query so that the AS400
> will accept it? Use an empty string? Use the ASC equivalent of hex 40? TIA
> 
> Jim Hale
> 
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From darsant at gmail.com  Fri Aug 19 13:40:34 2005
From: darsant at gmail.com (Josh McFarlane)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 13:40:34 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Why did Mac switch to Intel revisted
In-Reply-To: <000f01c5a4d8$69f78ed0$6401a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru>
References: <0ILG00CAK1DE5C@l-daemon>
	<004701c5a482$793d9570$6401a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru>
	<53c8e05a05081908257c783205@mail.gmail.com>
	<000f01c5a4d8$69f78ed0$6401a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru>
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On 8/19/05, Shamil Salakhetdinov <shamil at users.mns.ru> wrote:
> Josh,
> 
> Do you mean VS.NET 2005 Beta 2 when you talk about Edit & Continue feature?
> You guess they will never be able to make it stable? (they managed to do
> that with VB6 and even in MS Access 2003 (although both VB6 and MS Access
> 2003 still may crash unexpectedly in complicated cases) - they will probably
> make it working stable somewhere in not that far future? No any hopes you
> think?

Well, I'm using it mainly in reference to VC++, and having tried it on
VS.NET 2002, 2003, and now 2005, they all have inherient crash issues
even when doing simple things (for example, the crash I described can
even happen when you just begin to type on a line while the program is
at a breakpoint.
 
> By using reflection I mean injecting specific attributes BEFORE Just-in-time
> compilation, just as one of thr possible ways to do that, in fact it will
> not be needed probably because attributes will be inline with the source
> code...

Ah, I misunderstood you there.

> Did you try any of obfuscators or other methods to protect compiled code
> from reverse engineering? - I did - and I found they are good enough even
> the cheap ones, and expensive ones are very good.

I've tried a few different ones, and while some parts of the code
would be obfuscatied, core components such as algorithms were still
semi-reproducable in some test cases. Granted, this was a little bit
ago and they may have made improvements to the obfuscators now.

> I have heard they made good progress with ATL in VS.NET 2005. But I can't
> judge here because I do use ATL a few.
> I didn't know that much about prioritizing threads to logical processors and
> HyperThreading.

Basically the way the multicore processors work at this moment (at
least to the current library of MS code) is that they are just treated
as hyper-threading processors. If you search the MSDN docs you should
be able to find easy ways to build this implementation in.


> "Good software design policies" if I got that correctly is a very broad term
> Do you mean they can restrict also the quantity of attributes and methods of
> a class? If yes - could you please post an example of such software design
> ploicy here or give a reference to it, which also shows that it worked in a
> real life project?

Well, the classic example I like to use is the garbage collector.
Normally in C++ you handle allocation / deallocation of objects on the
heap yourself. In managed C++ with .NET you can use the garbage
collector so you don't have to worry about memory leaks from heap
allocated objects, restricting you from a common easy error, but at
the cost of speed and efficiency.

I wasn't trying to promote the .NET as a restrictive language. I was
trying to state that MS and others can make framework seem more
flexible and easier to maintain, but that the same effect can also be
achieved by good coding practices and software design policy.

In the example of the garbage collector: It is unnecessary to use the
collector if you manage your resources of your classes and code
properly so that you do not leak any resources.

Microsoft seems to be taking the approach towards creating an
easier-to-use interface (.NET) and it seems that the more default
customizable interfaces are being left in the dust because of it.

-- 
Josh McFarlane
"Peace cannot be kept by force. It can only be achieved by understanding."
-Albert Einstein


From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri Aug 19 13:46:05 2005
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 11:46:05 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] (no subject)
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86873BDA@infoserver01.infostat.local>

So do you have forms that match all the various table data structures to
use in displaying that record?  Or do you have multiple tables that are
all the same structure with merely different data in them (NAUGHTY!!)?
Actually even if you have different data structures, you should have a
single "people" table that contains the part of the data structure that
will be consistent for all different types of people in your database.
If you have special data to capture about a particular kind of "people"
that can be captured in a separate table.  That would simplifiy your
life a lot when it came to finding someone, since regardless of their
category, the basic information would all be in one table.

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Klos, Susan [mailto:Susan.Klos at fldoe.org] 
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 10:24 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] (no subject)


Once I have found the record in the table I want to open a form that
shows me that record.  Let me go back to my original problem.  I have
several tables of contacts.  I have a form with a tabbed subform.  Once
I have used my find form to search my various contacts tables and found
the contact, I want the first tab to show me all the data about the
contact, then I want the second tab to show me the data from the phone
conversations I have had with that contact.  These are linked through a
linking table by contactID.  If the person I am trying to find is not in
one of those contact tables, then I want the form to open up blank so I
can type in the information which would be loaded into a different
'people' table.  If anyone can help me on this, I would be very
grateful.  Thank.s

 

Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 08:47:45 -0700

From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>

Subject: RE: [AccessD] "Find" combo box searches more than one table

To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"

      <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>

Message-ID:

 
<E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86873BD8 at infoserver01.infostat.local>

Content-Type: text/plain;     charset="us-ascii"

 

I never understood what the user expected to "find" in such a search
function.  Did they want to know every table the value appeared in, did
they want to magically "see" each record in some form?  Are they
expected a treeview showing all the hits in each record in each table?
It isn't hard to find a value by walking the tables, but what did you
want to do with the results?

 

Charlotte Foust

 

 

Susan Klos

Senior Database Analyst

Evaluation and Reporting

Florida Department of Education

850-245-0708 

sc 205-0708

 

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From BarbaraRyan at cox.net  Fri Aug 19 13:51:50 2005
From: BarbaraRyan at cox.net (Barbara Ryan)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 14:51:50 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Close All Forms
Message-ID: <00cb01c5a4ef$0f3fb6e0$0a00a8c0@cx470148a>

I have used the following code successfully in Access 97 to close all forms when a specific function key is pressed.  However, in Access 2002, this code causes the error box to appear (with the 2 options to send an error report to Microsoft or not) and then closes Access.  Does anyone know why?

    Function CloseAllForms()
        Dim i As Integer
        ' Loop through the collection of open forms and close them (except for the main menu)
        If Forms.Count > 0 Then
            For i = Forms.Count - 1 To 0 Step -1
                If Forms(i).Name <> "frmMainMenu" Then
                    DoCmd.Close acForm, Forms(i).Name
                End If
            Next i
        End If
    End Function

Thanks,
Barb Ryan



From darsant at gmail.com  Fri Aug 19 13:50:54 2005
From: darsant at gmail.com (Josh McFarlane)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 13:50:54 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Close All Forms
In-Reply-To: <00cb01c5a4ef$0f3fb6e0$0a00a8c0@cx470148a>
References: <00cb01c5a4ef$0f3fb6e0$0a00a8c0@cx470148a>
Message-ID: <53c8e05a0508191150df2f4af@mail.gmail.com>

On 8/19/05, Barbara Ryan <BarbaraRyan at cox.net> wrote:
> I have used the following code successfully in Access 97 to close all forms when a specific function key is pressed.  However, in Access 2002, this code causes the error box to appear (with the 2 options to send an error report to Microsoft or not) and then closes Access.  Does anyone know why?
> 
>     Function CloseAllForms()
>         Dim i As Integer
>         ' Loop through the collection of open forms and close them (except for the main menu)
>         If Forms.Count > 0 Then
>             For i = Forms.Count - 1 To 0 Step -1
>                 If Forms(i).Name <> "frmMainMenu" Then
>                     DoCmd.Close acForm, Forms(i).Name
>                 End If
>             Next i
>         End If
>     End Function

Can you trace the specific line that it dies on? (IE Set a breakpoint
on DoCmd and see if it ever fires for each form.)

-- 
Josh McFarlane

"Peace cannot be kept by force. It can only be achieved by understanding."
-Albert Einstein


From BarbaraRyan at cox.net  Fri Aug 19 14:11:13 2005
From: BarbaraRyan at cox.net (Barbara Ryan)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 15:11:13 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Close All Forms
References: <00cb01c5a4ef$0f3fb6e0$0a00a8c0@cx470148a>
	<53c8e05a0508191150df2f4af@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <00f201c5a4f1$c41f8200$0a00a8c0@cx470148a>

It dies after the "End Function" line is executed.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Josh McFarlane" <darsant at gmail.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 2:50 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Close All Forms


> On 8/19/05, Barbara Ryan <BarbaraRyan at cox.net> wrote:
> > I have used the following code successfully in Access 97 to close all
forms when a specific function key is pressed.  However, in Access 2002,
this code causes the error box to appear (with the 2 options to send an
error report to Microsoft or not) and then closes Access.  Does anyone know
why?
> >
> >     Function CloseAllForms()
> >         Dim i As Integer
> >         ' Loop through the collection of open forms and close them
(except for the main menu)
> >         If Forms.Count > 0 Then
> >             For i = Forms.Count - 1 To 0 Step -1
> >                 If Forms(i).Name <> "frmMainMenu" Then
> >                     DoCmd.Close acForm, Forms(i).Name
> >                 End If
> >             Next i
> >         End If
> >     End Function
>
> Can you trace the specific line that it dies on? (IE Set a breakpoint
> on DoCmd and see if it ever fires for each form.)
>
> -- 
> Josh McFarlane
>
> "Peace cannot be kept by force. It can only be achieved by understanding."
> -Albert Einstein
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From bheid at appdevgrp.com  Fri Aug 19 14:14:34 2005
From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 15:14:34 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Close All Forms
In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30C5E9C5@ADGSERVER>
Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30ABEE82@ADGSERVER>

Is it possible it is closing one of the standard access windows?

Bobby

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Barbara Ryan
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 3:11 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Close All Forms


It dies after the "End Function" line is executed.




From BarbaraRyan at cox.net  Fri Aug 19 14:35:34 2005
From: BarbaraRyan at cox.net (Barbara Ryan)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 15:35:34 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Close All Forms
References: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30ABEE82@ADGSERVER>
Message-ID: <011101c5a4f5$2aec5000$0a00a8c0@cx470148a>

I don't know..... is there something new in Access 2002 that would allow
this?

Barb

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bobby Heid" <bheid at appdevgrp.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 3:14 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Close All Forms


> Is it possible it is closing one of the standard access windows?
>
> Bobby
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Barbara Ryan
> Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 3:11 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Close All Forms
>
>
> It dies after the "End Function" line is executed.
>
>
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From Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com  Fri Aug 19 14:35:53 2005
From: Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com (Hale, Jim)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 14:35:53 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Close All Forms
Message-ID: <6A6AA9DF57E4F046BDA1E273BDDB67723377A3@corp-es01.fleetpride.com>

Aren't you iterating through the entire forms collection? So even if a form
is closed you are attempting to close it?
How about
Function CloseAllForms()
     Dim i As Integer, strFrmName as string
       ' Loop through the collection of open forms and close them (except
for the main menu)
         If Forms.Count > 0 Then
            For i = Forms.Count - 1 To 0 Step -1
		strFrmName=Forms(i).Name
                If  strFrmName <> "frmMainMenu" Then
			If IsFormOpen(strFrmName)= true then  DoCmd.Close
acForm, strFrmName
                End If
             Next i
         End If
     End Function

Public Function IsFormOpen(strFormName As String) As Boolean
   On Error GoTo PROC_ERR

  IsFormOpen = (SysCmd(acSysCmdGetObjectState, acForm, strFormName) <> 0)

PROC_EXIT:
  Exit Function

PROC_ERR:
  MsgBox "Error: " & Err.Number & ". " & Err.Description, , _
    "IsFormOpen"
  Resume PROC_EXIT

End Function

Jim Hale

-----Original Message-----
From: Barbara Ryan [mailto:BarbaraRyan at cox.net]
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 2:11 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Close All Forms


It dies after the "End Function" line is executed.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Josh McFarlane" <darsant at gmail.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 2:50 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Close All Forms


> On 8/19/05, Barbara Ryan <BarbaraRyan at cox.net> wrote:
> > I have used the following code successfully in Access 97 to close all
forms when a specific function key is pressed.  However, in Access 2002,
this code causes the error box to appear (with the 2 options to send an
error report to Microsoft or not) and then closes Access.  Does anyone know
why?
> >
> >     Function CloseAllForms()
> >         Dim i As Integer
> >         ' Loop through the collection of open forms and close them
(except for the main menu)
> >         If Forms.Count > 0 Then
> >             For i = Forms.Count - 1 To 0 Step -1
> >                 If Forms(i).Name <> "frmMainMenu" Then
> >                     DoCmd.Close acForm, Forms(i).Name
> >                 End If
> >             Next i
> >         End If
> >     End Function
>
> Can you trace the specific line that it dies on? (IE Set a breakpoint
> on DoCmd and see if it ever fires for each form.)
>
> -- 
> Josh McFarlane
>
> "Peace cannot be kept by force. It can only be achieved by understanding."
> -Albert Einstein
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From BarbaraRyan at cox.net  Fri Aug 19 15:09:45 2005
From: BarbaraRyan at cox.net (Barbara Ryan)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 16:09:45 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Close All Forms
References: <6A6AA9DF57E4F046BDA1E273BDDB67723377A3@corp-es01.fleetpride.com>
Message-ID: <013b01c5a4fa$0c88d340$0a00a8c0@cx470148a>

Forms.Count is equal to the number of open forms, so if 3 forms are open,
the For loop executes 3 times..

Barb


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Hale, Jim" <Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 3:35 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Close All Forms


> Aren't you iterating through the entire forms collection? So even if a
form
> is closed you are attempting to close it?
> How about
> Function CloseAllForms()
>      Dim i As Integer, strFrmName as string
>        ' Loop through the collection of open forms and close them (except
> for the main menu)
>          If Forms.Count > 0 Then
>             For i = Forms.Count - 1 To 0 Step -1
> strFrmName=Forms(i).Name
>                 If  strFrmName <> "frmMainMenu" Then
> If IsFormOpen(strFrmName)= true then  DoCmd.Close
> acForm, strFrmName
>                 End If
>              Next i
>          End If
>      End Function
>
> Public Function IsFormOpen(strFormName As String) As Boolean
>    On Error GoTo PROC_ERR
>
>   IsFormOpen = (SysCmd(acSysCmdGetObjectState, acForm, strFormName) <> 0)
>
> PROC_EXIT:
>   Exit Function
>
> PROC_ERR:
>   MsgBox "Error: " & Err.Number & ". " & Err.Description, , _
>     "IsFormOpen"
>   Resume PROC_EXIT
>
> End Function
>
> Jim Hale
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Barbara Ryan [mailto:BarbaraRyan at cox.net]
> Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 2:11 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Close All Forms
>
>
> It dies after the "End Function" line is executed.
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Josh McFarlane" <darsant at gmail.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 2:50 PM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Close All Forms
>
>
> > On 8/19/05, Barbara Ryan <BarbaraRyan at cox.net> wrote:
> > > I have used the following code successfully in Access 97 to close all
> forms when a specific function key is pressed.  However, in Access 2002,
> this code causes the error box to appear (with the 2 options to send an
> error report to Microsoft or not) and then closes Access.  Does anyone
know
> why?
> > >
> > >     Function CloseAllForms()
> > >         Dim i As Integer
> > >         ' Loop through the collection of open forms and close them
> (except for the main menu)
> > >         If Forms.Count > 0 Then
> > >             For i = Forms.Count - 1 To 0 Step -1
> > >                 If Forms(i).Name <> "frmMainMenu" Then
> > >                     DoCmd.Close acForm, Forms(i).Name
> > >                 End If
> > >             Next i
> > >         End If
> > >     End Function
> >
> > Can you trace the specific line that it dies on? (IE Set a breakpoint
> > on DoCmd and see if it ever fires for each form.)
> >
> > -- 
> > Josh McFarlane
> >
> > "Peace cannot be kept by force. It can only be achieved by
understanding."
> > -Albert Einstein
> > -- 
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From shamil at users.mns.ru  Fri Aug 19 15:28:29 2005
From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 00:28:29 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Why did Mac switch to Intel revisted
References: <0ILG00CAK1DE5C@l-daemon><004701c5a482$793d9570$6401a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru><53c8e05a05081908257c783205@mail.gmail.com><000f01c5a4d8$69f78ed0$6401a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru>
	<53c8e05a0508191140494fb148@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001501c5a4fc$91e38c90$6401a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru>

> the crash I described can
> even happen when you just begin to type on a line while the program is
> at a breakpoint.
They probably reuse some MS Access 97 interpretator code - just kidding :)
Seriously they had similar problem in MS Access 97, in MS Access 2000 it was
better, in MS Access XP/2003 it's even better but they disallowed to save
modules in MS Acces while debugging in "Edit & Continue" mode. MS Acces 2003
is still crashing in complicated cases of "Edit & Continue" and you never
know when... (And in MS Access 97 it was exactly like you describe - as soon
as you start typing it crashes. Another famous problem when the last edited
line of "Edit and Continue" mode  in MS Access 97 was lost etc - never
believe them! In fact eXtreme Programming is an answer here too - XP doesn't
need Edit and continue development mode...

> Granted, this was a little bit
> ago and they may have made improvements to the obfuscators now.
I did use/try several obfuscators this spring (April) - the best of them
make code absolutely unreproducable I think.
After tests my customer decided that Xenocode in standard mode ($99) is good
enough.

>If you search the MSDN docs you should
>be able to find easy ways to build this implementation in.
OK, thanks, I will read about that...

> restricting you from a common easy error, but at
> the cost of speed and efficiency.
But if the code doesn't have custom memory allocation/deallocation calls
i.e. it uses garbage collector like .NET then by definition it should be
more efficient - right? Or do you mean that .NET garbage collector is slow?

> In the example of the garbage collector: It is unnecessary to use the
> collector if you manage your resources of your classes and code
> properly so that you do not leak any resources.
Well, the cost to manage resources properly is high - I did do that in MS
Access 97/2000/XP/2003 and VB6 and in C/C++/Delphi.
Automaic intelligent garbage collector is a real "life saver".
Of course in complicated cases one has to force resources deallocation -
.NET has IDisposable interface for that as it's well known....

> I wasn't trying to promote the .NET as a restrictive language. I was
> trying to state that MS and others can make framework seem more
> flexible and easier to maintain, but that the same effect can also be
> achieved by good coding practices and software design policy.
We probably talk about different subjects here - when I asked "how do you
will restrict the quantity of attributes and methods of a class using good
coding pratices and software design policy?" (this is what happening
"automagically" when one uses XP and classical behavioral OO design and
development) I meant that there is no probably any other good coding
practice and software design policy except XP, which allows to do that so
flexibly and almost seamlessly - of course this work needs really "high
pilotage design & development experience" - I'm not there yet, rather far
from there I think....

Whatever else good coding design practice and software design policy one
invents they inevitably go XP way - that's what I meant....

As for .NET Framework vs. something "home made" - I'm not MS advocate but
I'd say that programming in VS.NET is like a "dream come true" -  finally,
after 20+ years of my programming experience...

Shamil

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Josh McFarlane" <darsant at gmail.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 10:40 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Why did Mac switch to Intel revisted


> On 8/19/05, Shamil Salakhetdinov <shamil at users.mns.ru> wrote:
> > Josh,
> >
> > Do you mean VS.NET 2005 Beta 2 when you talk about Edit & Continue
feature?
> > You guess they will never be able to make it stable? (they managed to do
> > that with VB6 and even in MS Access 2003 (although both VB6 and MS
Access
> > 2003 still may crash unexpectedly in complicated cases) - they will
probably
> > make it working stable somewhere in not that far future? No any hopes
you
> > think?
>
> Well, I'm using it mainly in reference to VC++, and having tried it on
> VS.NET 2002, 2003, and now 2005, they all have inherient crash issues
> even when doing simple things (for example, the crash I described can
> even happen when you just begin to type on a line while the program is
> at a breakpoint.
>
> > By using reflection I mean injecting specific attributes BEFORE
Just-in-time
> > compilation, just as one of thr possible ways to do that, in fact it
will
> > not be needed probably because attributes will be inline with the source
> > code...
>
> Ah, I misunderstood you there.
>
> > Did you try any of obfuscators or other methods to protect compiled code
> > from reverse engineering? - I did - and I found they are good enough
even
> > the cheap ones, and expensive ones are very good.
>
> I've tried a few different ones, and while some parts of the code
> would be obfuscatied, core components such as algorithms were still
> semi-reproducable in some test cases. Granted, this was a little bit
> ago and they may have made improvements to the obfuscators now.
>
> > I have heard they made good progress with ATL in VS.NET 2005. But I
can't
> > judge here because I do use ATL a few.
> > I didn't know that much about prioritizing threads to logical processors
and
> > HyperThreading.
>
> Basically the way the multicore processors work at this moment (at
> least to the current library of MS code) is that they are just treated
> as hyper-threading processors. If you search the MSDN docs you should
> be able to find easy ways to build this implementation in.
>
>
> > "Good software design policies" if I got that correctly is a very broad
term
> > Do you mean they can restrict also the quantity of attributes and
methods of
> > a class? If yes - could you please post an example of such software
design
> > ploicy here or give a reference to it, which also shows that it worked
in a
> > real life project?
>
> Well, the classic example I like to use is the garbage collector.
> Normally in C++ you handle allocation / deallocation of objects on the
> heap yourself. In managed C++ with .NET you can use the garbage
> collector so you don't have to worry about memory leaks from heap
> allocated objects, restricting you from a common easy error, but at
> the cost of speed and efficiency.
>
> I wasn't trying to promote the .NET as a restrictive language. I was
> trying to state that MS and others can make framework seem more
> flexible and easier to maintain, but that the same effect can also be
> achieved by good coding practices and software design policy.
>
> In the example of the garbage collector: It is unnecessary to use the
> collector if you manage your resources of your classes and code
> properly so that you do not leak any resources.
>
> Microsoft seems to be taking the approach towards creating an
> easier-to-use interface (.NET) and it seems that the more default
> customizable interfaces are being left in the dust because of it.
>
> -- 
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> "Peace cannot be kept by force. It can only be achieved by understanding."
> -Albert Einstein
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri Aug 19 15:36:24 2005
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 13:36:24 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Close All Forms
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86873BDB@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Is there any particular reason you're using a reverse step in this?
Have you tried it like this:

           For i = 0 to Forms.Count - 1 
                If Forms(i).Name <> "frmMainMenu" Then
                    DoCmd.Close acForm, Forms(i).Name
                End If
            Next i

Does that also bail out on End Function?

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Barbara Ryan [mailto:BarbaraRyan at cox.net] 
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 11:52 AM
To: Access List
Subject: [AccessD] Close All Forms


I have used the following code successfully in Access 97 to close all
forms when a specific function key is pressed.  However, in Access 2002,
this code causes the error box to appear (with the 2 options to send an
error report to Microsoft or not) and then closes Access.  Does anyone
know why?

    Function CloseAllForms()
        Dim i As Integer
        ' Loop through the collection of open forms and close them
(except for the main menu)
        If Forms.Count > 0 Then
            For i = Forms.Count - 1 To 0 Step -1
                If Forms(i).Name <> "frmMainMenu" Then
                    DoCmd.Close acForm, Forms(i).Name
                End If
            Next i
        End If
    End Function

Thanks,
Barb Ryan

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From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com  Fri Aug 19 16:14:02 2005
From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 17:14:02 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Close All Forms
Message-ID: <1D7828CDB8350747AFE9D69E0E90DA1F1484BE41@xlivmbx21.aig.com>

It's normal practice to go in reverse when destroying items in a collection.
Here's why...

Say there are three forms open. With this code

For i = Forms.Count - 1 To 0 Step -1

On the first time through Forms.Count - 1 is evaluated as 2, and I is set to
2.

Then DoCmd.Close acForm, Forms(i).Name will close some form in the
collection (which is closed is unspecified as collections are not sorted).

Next time round the loop i is set to 1 and another form is closed. Etc. etc.

But if we try doing this in a 'forward' direction we have...

           For i = 0 to Forms.Count - 1 
                If Forms(i).Name <> "frmMainMenu" Then
                    DoCmd.Close acForm, Forms(i).Name
                End If
            Next i

First time round Count = 3, i is set to 0 and "forms(0)" closes.
Next time round Count = 2, i = 1 and "forms(1)" closes
Next time round Count = 1, i = 2 and "Forms(2).Name" generates an error
2456, "The number you user to refer to the form is invalid", which is the
collection's equivalent of "Subscript out of range"

The For loop is optimized by the compiler so that the termination condition
(Forms.Count-1) is only evaluated once. That's why you do it in reverse. 


None of this explains why Barbara is seeing Access crash though. Her code is
totally legitimate. It's not even anything to do with the fact that the
'Function' does not return a value. I'm sure she's set it up like that so it
can be called from an AutoKey macro.

So we are left with the possibility that the applications p-code is corrupt.
Time to back it up, then decompile and compact. With any luck that will fix
it. If not, import all the objects into a new database.

Lambert

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 4:36 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Close All Forms


Is there any particular reason you're using a reverse step in this? Have you
tried it like this:

           For i = 0 to Forms.Count - 1 
                If Forms(i).Name <> "frmMainMenu" Then
                    DoCmd.Close acForm, Forms(i).Name
                End If
            Next i

Does that also bail out on End Function?

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Barbara Ryan [mailto:BarbaraRyan at cox.net] 
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 11:52 AM
To: Access List
Subject: [AccessD] Close All Forms


I have used the following code successfully in Access 97 to close all forms
when a specific function key is pressed.  However, in Access 2002, this code
causes the error box to appear (with the 2 options to send an error report
to Microsoft or not) and then closes Access.  Does anyone know why?

    Function CloseAllForms()
        Dim i As Integer
        ' Loop through the collection of open forms and close them (except
for the main menu)
        If Forms.Count > 0 Then
            For i = Forms.Count - 1 To 0 Step -1
                If Forms(i).Name <> "frmMainMenu" Then
                    DoCmd.Close acForm, Forms(i).Name
                End If
            Next i
        End If
    End Function

Thanks,
Barb Ryan

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From BarbaraRyan at cox.net  Fri Aug 19 16:27:25 2005
From: BarbaraRyan at cox.net (Barbara Ryan)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 17:27:25 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Close All Forms
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86873BDB@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <015401c5a504$cb6d0920$0a00a8c0@cx470148a>

That blew up, too.  The code has a reverse step only because I copied it
from someone else!

Barb

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 4:36 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Close All Forms


> Is there any particular reason you're using a reverse step in this?
> Have you tried it like this:
>
>            For i = 0 to Forms.Count - 1
>                 If Forms(i).Name <> "frmMainMenu" Then
>                     DoCmd.Close acForm, Forms(i).Name
>                 End If
>             Next i
>
> Does that also bail out on End Function?
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Barbara Ryan [mailto:BarbaraRyan at cox.net]
> Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 11:52 AM
> To: Access List
> Subject: [AccessD] Close All Forms
>
>
> I have used the following code successfully in Access 97 to close all
> forms when a specific function key is pressed.  However, in Access 2002,
> this code causes the error box to appear (with the 2 options to send an
> error report to Microsoft or not) and then closes Access.  Does anyone
> know why?
>
>     Function CloseAllForms()
>         Dim i As Integer
>         ' Loop through the collection of open forms and close them
> (except for the main menu)
>         If Forms.Count > 0 Then
>             For i = Forms.Count - 1 To 0 Step -1
>                 If Forms(i).Name <> "frmMainMenu" Then
>                     DoCmd.Close acForm, Forms(i).Name
>                 End If
>             Next i
>         End If
>     End Function
>
> Thanks,
> Barb Ryan
>
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Aug 19 16:32:09 2005
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 14:32:09 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Close All Forms
In-Reply-To: <00f201c5a4f1$c41f8200$0a00a8c0@cx470148a>
Message-ID: <0ILH00F0ANTJP0@l-daemon>

It wouldn't be because you have just closed the form that you are on or have
called this function from and the system is having a problem getting back??

HTH
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Barbara Ryan
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 12:11 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Close All Forms

It dies after the "End Function" line is executed.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Josh McFarlane" <darsant at gmail.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 2:50 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Close All Forms


> On 8/19/05, Barbara Ryan <BarbaraRyan at cox.net> wrote:
> > I have used the following code successfully in Access 97 to close all
forms when a specific function key is pressed.  However, in Access 2002,
this code causes the error box to appear (with the 2 options to send an
error report to Microsoft or not) and then closes Access.  Does anyone know
why?
> >
> >     Function CloseAllForms()
> >         Dim i As Integer
> >         ' Loop through the collection of open forms and close them
(except for the main menu)
> >         If Forms.Count > 0 Then
> >             For i = Forms.Count - 1 To 0 Step -1
> >                 If Forms(i).Name <> "frmMainMenu" Then
> >                     DoCmd.Close acForm, Forms(i).Name
> >                 End If
> >             Next i
> >         End If
> >     End Function
>
> Can you trace the specific line that it dies on? (IE Set a breakpoint
> on DoCmd and see if it ever fires for each form.)
>
> -- 
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>
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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Fri Aug 19 16:45:56 2005
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 14:45:56 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Close All Forms
References: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30ABEE82@ADGSERVER>
	<011101c5a4f5$2aec5000$0a00a8c0@cx470148a>
Message-ID: <43065314.3010807@shaw.ca>

Code runs okay in Access 2003 with or without any forms open
Do you have a timer running on one of the forms.
Perhaps you can narrow it down to a specific form.

Also here is some code from solutions.mdb that you could modify

It uses database container's collection rather than form's collection.
It is used to close everything on exit and checks for open recordsets.

 Function CloseObject(strContainerName As String, intContainerType As 
Integer)
    'From the Developer Solutions database
    'Close open database objects of the specified type

    Dim dbs As Database, ctr As Container
    Dim intX As Integer
    Dim rstfind As Variant

    Set dbs = CurrentDb
    Set ctr = dbs.Containers(strContainerName)

    For intX = 0 To ctr.Documents.Count - 1
       ' DoCmd.Close intContainerType, ctr.Documents(intX).Name
       Debug.Print intContainerType, ctr.Documents(intX).Name
    Next intX
   
        For Each rstfind In CurrentDb.Recordsets
        MsgBox "Recordset Found: " & rstfind.Name
    Next rstfind

End Function
 Sub cmdExit_Click()
On Error GoTo Err_cmdExit_Click
Dim bolExitDatabase As Boolean
    If MsgBox("Exit database? (No='Exit Form')", vbYesNo) = vbYes Then
        On Error Resume Next

        bolExitDatabase = True

        'Close all database objects, then exit application
        CloseObject "Tables", acTable
        CloseObject "Tables", acQuery
        CloseObject "Forms", acForm
        CloseObject "Reports", acReport
        CloseObject "Scripts", acMacro
        CloseObject "Modules", acModule

        'CloseCurrentDatabase

    Else
        DoCmd.Close
    End If

Exit_cmdExit_Click:
    Exit Sub

Err_cmdExit_Click:
    MsgBox Err.Description, , "cmdExit_Click: " & Err.Number
    Resume Exit_cmdExit_Click
End Sub

Barbara Ryan wrote:

>I don't know..... is there something new in Access 2002 that would allow
>this?
>
>Barb
>
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Bobby Heid" <bheid at appdevgrp.com>
>To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
><accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 3:14 PM
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Close All Forms
>
>
>  
>
>>Is it possible it is closing one of the standard access windows?
>>
>>Bobby
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Barbara Ryan
>>Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 3:11 PM
>>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Close All Forms
>>
>>
>>It dies after the "End Function" line is executed.
>>
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>
>  
>

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri Aug 19 17:33:32 2005
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 15:33:32 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Close All Forms
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8689A82F@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Yes, I know that Lambert.  I just wondered if it blew up the other way
too, because if so it suggests something is corrupted.  Of course, there
is an entirely different way to do it in Access 2000 and later: use the
AccessObject and loop through the Application.CurrentProject.AllForms
collection test the form's IsLoaded property before closing it. ;-}

Charlotte


-----Original Message-----
From: Heenan, Lambert [mailto:Lambert.Heenan at aig.com] 
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 2:14 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Close All Forms


It's normal practice to go in reverse when destroying items in a
collection. Here's why...

Say there are three forms open. With this code

For i = Forms.Count - 1 To 0 Step -1

On the first time through Forms.Count - 1 is evaluated as 2, and I is
set to 2.

Then DoCmd.Close acForm, Forms(i).Name will close some form in the
collection (which is closed is unspecified as collections are not
sorted).

Next time round the loop i is set to 1 and another form is closed. Etc.
etc.

But if we try doing this in a 'forward' direction we have...

           For i = 0 to Forms.Count - 1 
                If Forms(i).Name <> "frmMainMenu" Then
                    DoCmd.Close acForm, Forms(i).Name
                End If
            Next i

First time round Count = 3, i is set to 0 and "forms(0)" closes. Next
time round Count = 2, i = 1 and "forms(1)" closes Next time round Count
= 1, i = 2 and "Forms(2).Name" generates an error 2456, "The number you
user to refer to the form is invalid", which is the collection's
equivalent of "Subscript out of range"

The For loop is optimized by the compiler so that the termination
condition
(Forms.Count-1) is only evaluated once. That's why you do it in reverse.



None of this explains why Barbara is seeing Access crash though. Her
code is totally legitimate. It's not even anything to do with the fact
that the 'Function' does not return a value. I'm sure she's set it up
like that so it can be called from an AutoKey macro.

So we are left with the possibility that the applications p-code is
corrupt. Time to back it up, then decompile and compact. With any luck
that will fix it. If not, import all the objects into a new database.

Lambert

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 4:36 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Close All Forms


Is there any particular reason you're using a reverse step in this? Have
you tried it like this:

           For i = 0 to Forms.Count - 1 
                If Forms(i).Name <> "frmMainMenu" Then
                    DoCmd.Close acForm, Forms(i).Name
                End If
            Next i

Does that also bail out on End Function?

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Barbara Ryan [mailto:BarbaraRyan at cox.net] 
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 11:52 AM
To: Access List
Subject: [AccessD] Close All Forms


I have used the following code successfully in Access 97 to close all
forms when a specific function key is pressed.  However, in Access 2002,
this code causes the error box to appear (with the 2 options to send an
error report to Microsoft or not) and then closes Access.  Does anyone
know why?

    Function CloseAllForms()
        Dim i As Integer
        ' Loop through the collection of open forms and close them
(except for the main menu)
        If Forms.Count > 0 Then
            For i = Forms.Count - 1 To 0 Step -1
                If Forms(i).Name <> "frmMainMenu" Then
                    DoCmd.Close acForm, Forms(i).Name
                End If
            Next i
        End If
    End Function

Thanks,
Barb Ryan

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Aug 19 18:40:21 2005
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 19:40:21 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Close All Forms
In-Reply-To: <1D7828CDB8350747AFE9D69E0E90DA1F1484BE41@xlivmbx21.aig.com>
Message-ID: <002401c5a517$5d80cc40$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

In general with collections I use:

	While col.count > 0
		col.remove(0)
	wend

Thus for open forms

Function CloseAllForms()
    With Forms
        While .Count > 0
            DoCmd.Close acForm, .Item(0).Name
        Wend
    End With
End Function

Or alternately:

Public Sub CloseAllForms()
On Error GoTo Err_CloseAllForms
    Dim f As AccessObject
    For Each f In CurrentProject.AllForms
        DoCmd.Close acForm, f.Name
    Next
End sub

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 5:14 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Close All Forms


It's normal practice to go in reverse when destroying items in a collection.
Here's why...

Say there are three forms open. With this code

For i = Forms.Count - 1 To 0 Step -1

On the first time through Forms.Count - 1 is evaluated as 2, and I is set to
2.

Then DoCmd.Close acForm, Forms(i).Name will close some form in the
collection (which is closed is unspecified as collections are not sorted).

Next time round the loop i is set to 1 and another form is closed. Etc. etc.

But if we try doing this in a 'forward' direction we have...

           For i = 0 to Forms.Count - 1 
                If Forms(i).Name <> "frmMainMenu" Then
                    DoCmd.Close acForm, Forms(i).Name
                End If
            Next i

First time round Count = 3, i is set to 0 and "forms(0)" closes. Next time
round Count = 2, i = 1 and "forms(1)" closes Next time round Count = 1, i =
2 and "Forms(2).Name" generates an error 2456, "The number you user to refer
to the form is invalid", which is the collection's equivalent of "Subscript
out of range"

The For loop is optimized by the compiler so that the termination condition
(Forms.Count-1) is only evaluated once. That's why you do it in reverse. 


None of this explains why Barbara is seeing Access crash though. Her code is
totally legitimate. It's not even anything to do with the fact that the
'Function' does not return a value. I'm sure she's set it up like that so it
can be called from an AutoKey macro.

So we are left with the possibility that the applications p-code is corrupt.
Time to back it up, then decompile and compact. With any luck that will fix
it. If not, import all the objects into a new database.

Lambert

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 4:36 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Close All Forms


Is there any particular reason you're using a reverse step in this? Have you
tried it like this:

           For i = 0 to Forms.Count - 1 
                If Forms(i).Name <> "frmMainMenu" Then
                    DoCmd.Close acForm, Forms(i).Name
                End If
            Next i

Does that also bail out on End Function?

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Barbara Ryan [mailto:BarbaraRyan at cox.net] 
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 11:52 AM
To: Access List
Subject: [AccessD] Close All Forms


I have used the following code successfully in Access 97 to close all forms
when a specific function key is pressed.  However, in Access 2002, this code
causes the error box to appear (with the 2 options to send an error report
to Microsoft or not) and then closes Access.  Does anyone know why?

    Function CloseAllForms()
        Dim i As Integer
        ' Loop through the collection of open forms and close them (except
for the main menu)
        If Forms.Count > 0 Then
            For i = Forms.Count - 1 To 0 Step -1
                If Forms(i).Name <> "frmMainMenu" Then
                    DoCmd.Close acForm, Forms(i).Name
                End If
            Next i
        End If
    End Function

Thanks,
Barb Ryan

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From BarbaraRyan at cox.net  Fri Aug 19 19:14:45 2005
From: BarbaraRyan at cox.net (Barbara Ryan)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 20:14:45 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Close All Forms
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8689A82F@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <018901c5a51c$46927d80$0a00a8c0@cx470148a>

Since the application is now Access 2002, I can ditch the code I'm using and
use Charlotte's approach or Marty's....Thanks!  Barb


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 6:33 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Close All Forms


> Yes, I know that Lambert.  I just wondered if it blew up the other way
> too, because if so it suggests something is corrupted.  Of course, there
> is an entirely different way to do it in Access 2000 and later: use the
> AccessObject and loop through the Application.CurrentProject.AllForms
> collection test the form's IsLoaded property before closing it. ;-}
>
> Charlotte
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Heenan, Lambert [mailto:Lambert.Heenan at aig.com]
> Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 2:14 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Close All Forms
>
>
> It's normal practice to go in reverse when destroying items in a
> collection. Here's why...
>
> Say there are three forms open. With this code
>
> For i = Forms.Count - 1 To 0 Step -1
>
> On the first time through Forms.Count - 1 is evaluated as 2, and I is
> set to 2.
>
> Then DoCmd.Close acForm, Forms(i).Name will close some form in the
> collection (which is closed is unspecified as collections are not
> sorted).
>
> Next time round the loop i is set to 1 and another form is closed. Etc.
> etc.
>
> But if we try doing this in a 'forward' direction we have...
>
>            For i = 0 to Forms.Count - 1
>                 If Forms(i).Name <> "frmMainMenu" Then
>                     DoCmd.Close acForm, Forms(i).Name
>                 End If
>             Next i
>
> First time round Count = 3, i is set to 0 and "forms(0)" closes. Next
> time round Count = 2, i = 1 and "forms(1)" closes Next time round Count
> = 1, i = 2 and "Forms(2).Name" generates an error 2456, "The number you
> user to refer to the form is invalid", which is the collection's
> equivalent of "Subscript out of range"
>
> The For loop is optimized by the compiler so that the termination
> condition
> (Forms.Count-1) is only evaluated once. That's why you do it in reverse.
>
>
>
> None of this explains why Barbara is seeing Access crash though. Her
> code is totally legitimate. It's not even anything to do with the fact
> that the 'Function' does not return a value. I'm sure she's set it up
> like that so it can be called from an AutoKey macro.
>
> So we are left with the possibility that the applications p-code is
> corrupt. Time to back it up, then decompile and compact. With any luck
> that will fix it. If not, import all the objects into a new database.
>
> Lambert
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
> Foust
> Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 4:36 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Close All Forms
>
>
> Is there any particular reason you're using a reverse step in this? Have
> you tried it like this:
>
>            For i = 0 to Forms.Count - 1
>                 If Forms(i).Name <> "frmMainMenu" Then
>                     DoCmd.Close acForm, Forms(i).Name
>                 End If
>             Next i
>
> Does that also bail out on End Function?
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Barbara Ryan [mailto:BarbaraRyan at cox.net]
> Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 11:52 AM
> To: Access List
> Subject: [AccessD] Close All Forms
>
>
> I have used the following code successfully in Access 97 to close all
> forms when a specific function key is pressed.  However, in Access 2002,
> this code causes the error box to appear (with the 2 options to send an
> error report to Microsoft or not) and then closes Access.  Does anyone
> know why?
>
>     Function CloseAllForms()
>         Dim i As Integer
>         ' Loop through the collection of open forms and close them
> (except for the main menu)
>         If Forms.Count > 0 Then
>             For i = Forms.Count - 1 To 0 Step -1
>                 If Forms(i).Name <> "frmMainMenu" Then
>                     DoCmd.Close acForm, Forms(i).Name
>                 End If
>             Next i
>         End If
>     End Function
>
> Thanks,
> Barb Ryan
>
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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Fri Aug 19 23:29:14 2005
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 21:29:14 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Close All Forms
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8689A82F@infoserver01.infostat.local>
	<018901c5a51c$46927d80$0a00a8c0@cx470148a>
Message-ID: <4306B19A.8060705@shaw.ca>

You could also try a decompile just in case something flakey happened in 
the p-code

Barbara Ryan wrote:

>Since the application is now Access 2002, I can ditch the code I'm using and
>use Charlotte's approach or Marty's....Thanks!  Barb
>
>
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
><accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 6:33 PM
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Close All Forms
>
>
>  
>
>>Yes, I know that Lambert.  I just wondered if it blew up the other way
>>too, because if so it suggests something is corrupted.  Of course, there
>>is an entirely different way to do it in Access 2000 and later: use the
>>AccessObject and loop through the Application.CurrentProject.AllForms
>>collection test the form's IsLoaded property before closing it. ;-}
>>
>>Charlotte
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Heenan, Lambert [mailto:Lambert.Heenan at aig.com]
>>Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 2:14 PM
>>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Close All Forms
>>
>>
>>It's normal practice to go in reverse when destroying items in a
>>collection. Here's why...
>>
>>Say there are three forms open. With this code
>>
>>For i = Forms.Count - 1 To 0 Step -1
>>
>>On the first time through Forms.Count - 1 is evaluated as 2, and I is
>>set to 2.
>>
>>Then DoCmd.Close acForm, Forms(i).Name will close some form in the
>>collection (which is closed is unspecified as collections are not
>>sorted).
>>
>>Next time round the loop i is set to 1 and another form is closed. Etc.
>>etc.
>>
>>But if we try doing this in a 'forward' direction we have...
>>
>>           For i = 0 to Forms.Count - 1
>>                If Forms(i).Name <> "frmMainMenu" Then
>>                    DoCmd.Close acForm, Forms(i).Name
>>                End If
>>            Next i
>>
>>First time round Count = 3, i is set to 0 and "forms(0)" closes. Next
>>time round Count = 2, i = 1 and "forms(1)" closes Next time round Count
>>= 1, i = 2 and "Forms(2).Name" generates an error 2456, "The number you
>>user to refer to the form is invalid", which is the collection's
>>equivalent of "Subscript out of range"
>>
>>The For loop is optimized by the compiler so that the termination
>>condition
>>(Forms.Count-1) is only evaluated once. That's why you do it in reverse.
>>
>>
>>
>>None of this explains why Barbara is seeing Access crash though. Her
>>code is totally legitimate. It's not even anything to do with the fact
>>that the 'Function' does not return a value. I'm sure she's set it up
>>like that so it can be called from an AutoKey macro.
>>
>>So we are left with the possibility that the applications p-code is
>>corrupt. Time to back it up, then decompile and compact. With any luck
>>that will fix it. If not, import all the objects into a new database.
>>
>>Lambert
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
>>Foust
>>Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 4:36 PM
>>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Close All Forms
>>
>>
>>Is there any particular reason you're using a reverse step in this? Have
>>you tried it like this:
>>
>>           For i = 0 to Forms.Count - 1
>>                If Forms(i).Name <> "frmMainMenu" Then
>>                    DoCmd.Close acForm, Forms(i).Name
>>                End If
>>            Next i
>>
>>Does that also bail out on End Function?
>>
>>Charlotte Foust
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Barbara Ryan [mailto:BarbaraRyan at cox.net]
>>Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 11:52 AM
>>To: Access List
>>Subject: [AccessD] Close All Forms
>>
>>
>>I have used the following code successfully in Access 97 to close all
>>forms when a specific function key is pressed.  However, in Access 2002,
>>this code causes the error box to appear (with the 2 options to send an
>>error report to Microsoft or not) and then closes Access.  Does anyone
>>know why?
>>
>>    Function CloseAllForms()
>>        Dim i As Integer
>>        ' Loop through the collection of open forms and close them
>>(except for the main menu)
>>        If Forms.Count > 0 Then
>>            For i = Forms.Count - 1 To 0 Step -1
>>                If Forms(i).Name <> "frmMainMenu" Then
>>                    DoCmd.Close acForm, Forms(i).Name
>>                End If
>>            Next i
>>        End If
>>    End Function
>>
>>Thanks,
>>Barb Ryan
>>
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>>
>
>  
>

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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Sat Aug 20 08:59:08 2005
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 08:59:08 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Close All Forms
In-Reply-To: <28733657.1124512556545.JavaMail.root@sniper18>
Message-ID: <000001c5a58f$57735610$0300a8c0@danwaters>

I once solved a 'form corruption' problem by:

1) Comment ALL the code in the form
2) Decompile
3) Exit Access
4) Open Application
5) Uncomment all the code 
6) Compile

The reason I did this was because a form on one user's PC was erroring out
on a line of code, but no one else's was doing that.  The above solved the
problem.  I'm guessing that commenting out the VBA code and decompiling
completely removed the offending p-code, then uncommenting and compiling
created completely new p-code.  A note - the form had been originally
created in A95, had been modified heavily, and was being used in AXP.

HTH,

Dan Waters

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 11:29 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Close All Forms

You could also try a decompile just in case something flakey happened in 
the p-code

Barbara Ryan wrote:

>Since the application is now Access 2002, I can ditch the code I'm using
and
>use Charlotte's approach or Marty's....Thanks!  Barb
>
>
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
><accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 6:33 PM
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Close All Forms
>
>
>  
>
>>Yes, I know that Lambert.  I just wondered if it blew up the other way
>>too, because if so it suggests something is corrupted.  Of course, there
>>is an entirely different way to do it in Access 2000 and later: use the
>>AccessObject and loop through the Application.CurrentProject.AllForms
>>collection test the form's IsLoaded property before closing it. ;-}
>>
>>Charlotte
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Heenan, Lambert [mailto:Lambert.Heenan at aig.com]
>>Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 2:14 PM
>>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Close All Forms
>>
>>
>>It's normal practice to go in reverse when destroying items in a
>>collection. Here's why...
>>
>>Say there are three forms open. With this code
>>
>>For i = Forms.Count - 1 To 0 Step -1
>>
>>On the first time through Forms.Count - 1 is evaluated as 2, and I is
>>set to 2.
>>
>>Then DoCmd.Close acForm, Forms(i).Name will close some form in the
>>collection (which is closed is unspecified as collections are not
>>sorted).
>>
>>Next time round the loop i is set to 1 and another form is closed. Etc.
>>etc.
>>
>>But if we try doing this in a 'forward' direction we have...
>>
>>           For i = 0 to Forms.Count - 1
>>                If Forms(i).Name <> "frmMainMenu" Then
>>                    DoCmd.Close acForm, Forms(i).Name
>>                End If
>>            Next i
>>
>>First time round Count = 3, i is set to 0 and "forms(0)" closes. Next
>>time round Count = 2, i = 1 and "forms(1)" closes Next time round Count
>>= 1, i = 2 and "Forms(2).Name" generates an error 2456, "The number you
>>user to refer to the form is invalid", which is the collection's
>>equivalent of "Subscript out of range"
>>
>>The For loop is optimized by the compiler so that the termination
>>condition
>>(Forms.Count-1) is only evaluated once. That's why you do it in reverse.
>>
>>
>>
>>None of this explains why Barbara is seeing Access crash though. Her
>>code is totally legitimate. It's not even anything to do with the fact
>>that the 'Function' does not return a value. I'm sure she's set it up
>>like that so it can be called from an AutoKey macro.
>>
>>So we are left with the possibility that the applications p-code is
>>corrupt. Time to back it up, then decompile and compact. With any luck
>>that will fix it. If not, import all the objects into a new database.
>>
>>Lambert
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
>>Foust
>>Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 4:36 PM
>>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Close All Forms
>>
>>
>>Is there any particular reason you're using a reverse step in this? Have
>>you tried it like this:
>>
>>           For i = 0 to Forms.Count - 1
>>                If Forms(i).Name <> "frmMainMenu" Then
>>                    DoCmd.Close acForm, Forms(i).Name
>>                End If
>>            Next i
>>
>>Does that also bail out on End Function?
>>
>>Charlotte Foust
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Barbara Ryan [mailto:BarbaraRyan at cox.net]
>>Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 11:52 AM
>>To: Access List
>>Subject: [AccessD] Close All Forms
>>
>>
>>I have used the following code successfully in Access 97 to close all
>>forms when a specific function key is pressed.  However, in Access 2002,
>>this code causes the error box to appear (with the 2 options to send an
>>error report to Microsoft or not) and then closes Access.  Does anyone
>>know why?
>>
>>    Function CloseAllForms()
>>        Dim i As Integer
>>        ' Loop through the collection of open forms and close them
>>(except for the main menu)
>>        If Forms.Count > 0 Then
>>            For i = Forms.Count - 1 To 0 Step -1
>>                If Forms(i).Name <> "frmMainMenu" Then
>>                    DoCmd.Close acForm, Forms(i).Name
>>                End If
>>            Next i
>>        End If
>>    End Function
>>
>>Thanks,
>>Barb Ryan
>>
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>>
>
>  
>

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From gustav at cactus.dk  Sat Aug 20 12:46:51 2005
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 19:46:51 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Parameter make table query
Message-ID: <s30788ba.000@cactus.dk>

Hi Chester

You could use this syntax for populating a recordset:

MyQDef1.Parameters("Pattern Name").Value = PatternName

However, this opens a new instance of the query knowing nothing of the
parameter setting above:
DoCmd.OpenQuery MyQDef1.Name, acViewNormal, acEdit

You will need to set the parameter to a public variable (or static
function), then create a function to retrieve that value; now, remove
the parameter and use this function in the query to supply the value
(after setting it in your code as previously).

/gustav


>>> Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com 17-08-05 23:27 >>>
I try to run the following code for a make table query but it still asks
for a parameter. Why?  Do I need to run it differently? Thanks.

PatternName = "123-4"

Set MyQDef1 = MyDb.QueryDefs("qry Actual Production after Inj Start
Date")

MyQDef1.Parameters![Pattern Name] = PatternName

DoCmd.OpenQuery "qry Actual Production after Inj Start Date",
acViewNormal, acEdit



From gustav at cactus.dk  Sat Aug 20 12:53:12 2005
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 19:53:12 +0200
Subject: Svar: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
Message-ID: <s3078a41.001@cactus.dk>

Hi Shamil

First, welcome back to AccessD!
Then, I find this a very interesting topic with a lot of perspective.

/gustav

>>> shamil at users.mns.ru 18-08-05 1:28 >>>
Hi All,

I wanted to ask you - what about the subject?
Anybody uses/interested to use MS Access client applications this way?

Do I miss obvious (RTFM) stuff and such a disconnected mode is already
implemented in MS Access and broadly used by MS Access developers? Yes,
I
know ADO recordsets can be used with bound MS Access forms etc. but this
looks like a rather limited feature - am I wrong?

What I mean is cashing data locally into mdbs, only the data needed for
the
currently open form(s) etc., processing this data and then updating
backend
database(mdb, MSDE, MS SQL, whatever...) - with all this cashing and
updating made mostly automatically by a tiny framework code, based on
ADO.NET...(yes, this local caching of data is not a new subject but
nowadays
it can be (re-)implement really scalable way with a way less efforts
than
before)

Maybe MS plans to do something like that?

Is that a wheel reinvention or anybody here sees such opportunity like a
really useful feature in their real life projects?

For me it looks like a useful feature because it could help: to get MS
Access back into mainstream development area because it will allow to
easily
scale applications with MS Access front-ends...

There are many other ideas but most of them in this "ideas pool" based
on
the subject one - if it doesn't make sense for real-life projects then
I'd
better stop working on it...

What is your opinion about the subject?
When you expect MS will do something like that in MS Access?

Thank you,
Shamil



From shamil at users.mns.ru  Sat Aug 20 15:34:27 2005
From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 00:34:27 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
References: <s3078a41.001@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <003801c5a5c6$91e41a00$6401a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru>

Hi Gustav,

Thank you for your welcoming and support!

I have intentions to start approaching and implementing this idea here
beginning next week with progress results published as a blog.

I decided to codename  this project (and its main object) as

"Virtual Data Vault".

It sounds generic but nothing more than making MS Access clients
working in disconnected mode via ADO.NET with MS Access backends is planned
on first steps. I mean first of all MS Access clients using bounds forms
with data cached into local mdb tables...

I don't have a lot of spare time but I do plan to find at least 20-30
minutes per day for this project.
To make this project possible and progressing in such small chunks I see the
only way to go is to use XP with Unit testing.
I hope Charlotte Foust will assist me and will be my peer reviewer becaue
she seems to be most interested in this project. How about that opportunity
Charlotte? - if you will find 10 minutes per day for this peroject - very
fine, if just 10 minutes per week - would be good too! If this project fails
or "dies", which may happen of course - this will be all my fault...

Most of the programming is planned to be done in C#...

For blogging bBlog is currently planned - http://www.bblog.com/ - but still
to find out will it be possible to install it here on my ISP hosting....

Any other good and simple to install blogging engines/opportunities?

Thank you,
Shamil

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2005 9:53 PM
Subject: Svar: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..


> Hi Shamil
>
> First, welcome back to AccessD!
> Then, I find this a very interesting topic with a lot of perspective.
>
> /gustav
>
> >>> shamil at users.mns.ru 18-08-05 1:28 >>>
> Hi All,
>
> I wanted to ask you - what about the subject?
> Anybody uses/interested to use MS Access client applications this way?
>
> Do I miss obvious (RTFM) stuff and such a disconnected mode is already
> implemented in MS Access and broadly used by MS Access developers? Yes,
> I
> know ADO recordsets can be used with bound MS Access forms etc. but this
> looks like a rather limited feature - am I wrong?
>
> What I mean is cashing data locally into mdbs, only the data needed for
> the
> currently open form(s) etc., processing this data and then updating
> backend
> database(mdb, MSDE, MS SQL, whatever...) - with all this cashing and
> updating made mostly automatically by a tiny framework code, based on
> ADO.NET...(yes, this local caching of data is not a new subject but
> nowadays
> it can be (re-)implement really scalable way with a way less efforts
> than
> before)
>
> Maybe MS plans to do something like that?
>
> Is that a wheel reinvention or anybody here sees such opportunity like a
> really useful feature in their real life projects?
>
> For me it looks like a useful feature because it could help: to get MS
> Access back into mainstream development area because it will allow to
> easily
> scale applications with MS Access front-ends...
>
> There are many other ideas but most of them in this "ideas pool" based
> on
> the subject one - if it doesn't make sense for real-life projects then
> I'd
> better stop working on it...
>
> What is your opinion about the subject?
> When you expect MS will do something like that in MS Access?
>
> Thank you,
> Shamil
>
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Sat Aug 20 16:53:28 2005
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 23:53:28 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Close All Forms
Message-ID: <s307c283.004@cactus.dk>

Hi Barbara

First, there's no need to retrieve the Form collection count that many
times.
Second, your main form is probably the first form to open, so why not
just leave it?

Thus:

    Function CloseAllForms()
      Dim lngForms As Long
      Dim lngForm  As Long
      lngForms = Forms.Count
      ' Loop through the collection of forms and close 
      ' them except for the first opened (main form).
      For lngForm = lngForms - 1 To 1 Step -1
        DoCmd.Close acForm, Forms(lngForm).Name
      Next
    End Function

You cannot do this forward because if you close form N all form indexes
above N will be shifted one down to fill the hole in numbers. This
could, however, be taken advantage of:

    Function CloseAllForms()
      ' Close all forms except the first opened.
      While Forms.Count > 1
        DoCmd.Close acForm, Forms(1).Name
      Wend
    End Function

As you can see, your function seems to be a mix of these two approaches.

/gustav

>>> BarbaraRyan at cox.net 19-08-05 20:51 >>>
I have used the following code successfully in Access 97 to close all
forms when a specific function key is pressed.  However, in Access 2002,
this code causes the error box to appear (with the 2 options to send an
error report to Microsoft or not) and then closes Access.  Does anyone
know why?

    Function CloseAllForms()
        Dim i As Integer
        ' Loop through the collection of open forms and close them
(except for the main menu)
        If Forms.Count > 0 Then
            For i = Forms.Count - 1 To 0 Step -1
                If Forms(i).Name <> "frmMainMenu" Then
                    DoCmd.Close acForm, Forms(i).Name
                End If
            Next i
        End If
    End Function

Thanks,
Barb Ryan



From artful at rogers.com  Sat Aug 20 18:19:08 2005
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 19:19:08 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Friday Humour a Day Late
Message-ID: <200508202319.j7KNJ7R10658@databaseadvisors.com>

A very old Italian gentleman with a son Vito in prison, wrote him a letter.

Vito, I wish you were here with me. I want to dig up the garden and plant
some tomatoes and olive trees. But the garden is rocky and I am old and
infirm and have no energy to do it. If you were here, I know you would dig
the garden for me, and I could plant the tomatoes and olives and grow them
to fruition.

Vito, receiving the letter in prison, writes back: DO NOT dig up the garden.
That is where I planted the bodies.

Next morning, 5am, the FBI arrives with bulldozers, scoop-shovels and
various equipment. They dig up the entire garden 12 meters deep and find
nothing. They depart.

Next morning, the old man receives another letter from Vito.

Plant your tomatoes, Father. Under the circumstances, this is the best I
could do.

 

A.

 



From artful at rogers.com  Sun Aug 21 15:42:52 2005
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 16:42:52 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] "Find" combo box searches more than one table
In-Reply-To: <A5B5AA20555F594BA7B6BD2048E49E4376FE61@m-niosh-5.niosh.cdc.gov>
Message-ID: <200508212042.j7LKgrR30343@databaseadvisors.com>

UNION the pair of SELECT statements, each point to one table. Grab the
second column to know the location of the hit. Assuming that both tables
have similar structures, open the edit form passing the appropriate args,
i.e.
DoCmd.OpenForm FormName:= {arg1}, WhereClause:= {PK-column} = "your value"

HTH,
Arthur



From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Aug 22 10:29:58 2005
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 08:29:58 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86873BE0@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Shamil,

I would be deeply honored to work with you on this ... Especially if any
failures are all *your* fault! LOL  

I suppose this means that I have to get better are reading C# code,
right?  <sigh>

bBlog looks awesome, and this looks like fun! 


Charlotte


-----Original Message-----
From: Shamil Salakhetdinov [mailto:shamil at users.mns.ru] 
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2005 1:34 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..


Hi Gustav,

Thank you for your welcoming and support!

I have intentions to start approaching and implementing this idea here
beginning next week with progress results published as a blog.

I decided to codename  this project (and its main object) as

"Virtual Data Vault".

It sounds generic but nothing more than making MS Access clients working
in disconnected mode via ADO.NET with MS Access backends is planned on
first steps. I mean first of all MS Access clients using bounds forms
with data cached into local mdb tables...

I don't have a lot of spare time but I do plan to find at least 20-30
minutes per day for this project. To make this project possible and
progressing in such small chunks I see the only way to go is to use XP
with Unit testing. I hope Charlotte Foust will assist me and will be my
peer reviewer becaue she seems to be most interested in this project.
How about that opportunity Charlotte? - if you will find 10 minutes per
day for this peroject - very fine, if just 10 minutes per week - would
be good too! If this project fails or "dies", which may happen of course
- this will be all my fault...

Most of the programming is planned to be done in C#...

For blogging bBlog is currently planned - http://www.bblog.com/ - but
still to find out will it be possible to install it here on my ISP
hosting....

Any other good and simple to install blogging engines/opportunities?

Thank you,
Shamil

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2005 9:53 PM
Subject: Svar: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..


> Hi Shamil
>
> First, welcome back to AccessD!
> Then, I find this a very interesting topic with a lot of perspective.
>
> /gustav
>
> >>> shamil at users.mns.ru 18-08-05 1:28 >>>
> Hi All,
>
> I wanted to ask you - what about the subject?
> Anybody uses/interested to use MS Access client applications this way?
>
> Do I miss obvious (RTFM) stuff and such a disconnected mode is already

> implemented in MS Access and broadly used by MS Access developers? 
> Yes, I know ADO recordsets can be used with bound MS Access forms etc.

> but this looks like a rather limited feature - am I wrong?
>
> What I mean is cashing data locally into mdbs, only the data needed 
> for the currently open form(s) etc., processing this data and then 
> updating backend
> database(mdb, MSDE, MS SQL, whatever...) - with all this cashing and
> updating made mostly automatically by a tiny framework code, based on
> ADO.NET...(yes, this local caching of data is not a new subject but
> nowadays
> it can be (re-)implement really scalable way with a way less efforts
> than
> before)
>
> Maybe MS plans to do something like that?
>
> Is that a wheel reinvention or anybody here sees such opportunity like

> a really useful feature in their real life projects?
>
> For me it looks like a useful feature because it could help: to get MS

> Access back into mainstream development area because it will allow to 
> easily scale applications with MS Access front-ends...
>
> There are many other ideas but most of them in this "ideas pool" based

> on the subject one - if it doesn't make sense for real-life projects 
> then I'd
> better stop working on it...
>
> What is your opinion about the subject?
> When you expect MS will do something like that in MS Access?
>
> Thank you,
> Shamil
>
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Aug 22 10:31:38 2005
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 08:31:38 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Friday Humour a Day Late
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86873BE1@infoserver01.infostat.local>

ROTFL

It's good, even late!

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Arthur Fuller [mailto:artful at rogers.com] 
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2005 4:19 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Friday Humour a Day Late


A very old Italian gentleman with a son Vito in prison, wrote him a
letter.

Vito, I wish you were here with me. I want to dig up the garden and
plant some tomatoes and olive trees. But the garden is rocky and I am
old and infirm and have no energy to do it. If you were here, I know you
would dig the garden for me, and I could plant the tomatoes and olives
and grow them to fruition.

Vito, receiving the letter in prison, writes back: DO NOT dig up the
garden. That is where I planted the bodies.

Next morning, 5am, the FBI arrives with bulldozers, scoop-shovels and
various equipment. They dig up the entire garden 12 meters deep and find
nothing. They depart.

Next morning, the old man receives another letter from Vito.

Plant your tomatoes, Father. Under the circumstances, this is the best I
could do.

 

A.

 

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From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com  Mon Aug 22 10:30:26 2005
From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester)
Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 10:30:26 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Table does not open to first record
Message-ID: <F1DD538AE6BCE74EBE562DE51564D322FAC406@houexch1.kindermorgan.com>

I use the following code to open a table (myds) which is indexed on the
date field. When I pull a record in code it gets record 127. I tried a
movefirst command and the table still starts on record 127. Any ideas
what is happening appreciated.

 

Dim MyDb As Database, myds As Recordset

Set MyDb = CurrentDb()

Set myds = MyDb.OpenRecordset("tbl Produced HCPV% One Pattern",
dbOpenTable)

 

myds.MoveFirst

myds1.AddNew

    myds1.Fields(0) = myds.Fields(0)    'Date

    myds1.Fields(1) = myds.Fields(1)    'Pattern name

    myds1.Fields(2) = myds.Fields(2)    'Cum total injection

    myds1.Fields(3) = myds.Fields(3)    'Cum based HCPV%

    myds1.Fields(4) = myds.Fields(4)    'Derivative based HCPV%

myds1.Update

 

Chester Kaup

Engineering Technician

Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP

Office (432) 688-3797

FAX (432) 688-3799

 

 

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Aug 22 10:48:25 2005
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 08:48:25 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Table does not open to first record
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86873BE2@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Sorry but I don't know what you mean by "pull a record in code".  Do you
mean that when you move to the first record in myds, it isn't the
earliest date in the table?  You don't indicate why myds1 is or how it's
populated either.

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Kaup, Chester [mailto:Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com] 
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 8:30 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Table does not open to first record


I use the following code to open a table (myds) which is indexed on the
date field. When I pull a record in code it gets record 127. I tried a
movefirst command and the table still starts on record 127. Any ideas
what is happening appreciated.

 

Dim MyDb As Database, myds As Recordset

Set MyDb = CurrentDb()

Set myds = MyDb.OpenRecordset("tbl Produced HCPV% One Pattern",
dbOpenTable)

 

myds.MoveFirst

myds1.AddNew

    myds1.Fields(0) = myds.Fields(0)    'Date

    myds1.Fields(1) = myds.Fields(1)    'Pattern name

    myds1.Fields(2) = myds.Fields(2)    'Cum total injection

    myds1.Fields(3) = myds.Fields(3)    'Cum based HCPV%

    myds1.Fields(4) = myds.Fields(4)    'Derivative based HCPV%

myds1.Update

 

Chester Kaup

Engineering Technician

Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP

Office (432) 688-3797

FAX (432) 688-3799

 

 

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From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com  Mon Aug 22 10:56:26 2005
From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester)
Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 10:56:26 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Table does not open to first record
Message-ID: <F1DD538AE6BCE74EBE562DE51564D322FAC440@houexch1.kindermorgan.com>

Myds is a table that has been populated in previous code one record at a
time. When I view my list of tables and double click on the table it
opens in ascending date order. When I open the table in code it does not
open on the first record which is the one with the earliest date. Hope
that makes sense.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 10:48 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Table does not open to first record

Sorry but I don't know what you mean by "pull a record in code".  Do you
mean that when you move to the first record in myds, it isn't the
earliest date in the table?  You don't indicate why myds1 is or how it's
populated either.

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Kaup, Chester [mailto:Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com] 
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 8:30 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Table does not open to first record


I use the following code to open a table (myds) which is indexed on the
date field. When I pull a record in code it gets record 127. I tried a
movefirst command and the table still starts on record 127. Any ideas
what is happening appreciated.

 

Dim MyDb As Database, myds As Recordset

Set MyDb = CurrentDb()

Set myds = MyDb.OpenRecordset("tbl Produced HCPV% One Pattern",
dbOpenTable)

 

myds.MoveFirst

myds1.AddNew

    myds1.Fields(0) = myds.Fields(0)    'Date

    myds1.Fields(1) = myds.Fields(1)    'Pattern name

    myds1.Fields(2) = myds.Fields(2)    'Cum total injection

    myds1.Fields(3) = myds.Fields(3)    'Cum based HCPV%

    myds1.Fields(4) = myds.Fields(4)    'Derivative based HCPV%

myds1.Update

 

Chester Kaup

Engineering Technician

Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP

Office (432) 688-3797

FAX (432) 688-3799

 

 

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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Mon Aug 22 11:02:14 2005
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 17:02:14 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Table does not open to first record
Message-ID: <20050822160210.9B0B8254BCF@smtp.nildram.co.uk>

Chester
Try inserting

myds.index="yourindexname"

after the Open
--
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--------- Original Message --------
From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Table does not open to first record
Date: 22/08/05 15:57


Myds is a table that has been populated in previous code one record at a
time. When I view my list of tables and double click on the table it
opens in ascending date order. When I open the table in code it does not
open on the first record which is the one with the earliest date. Hope
that makes sense.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 10:48 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Table does not open to first record

Sorry but I don't know what you mean by "pull a record in code". Do you
mean that when you move to the first record in myds, it isn't the
earliest date in the table? You don't indicate why myds1 is or how it's
populated either.

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Kaup, Chester [mailto:Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com]
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 8:30 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Table does not open to first record


I use the following code to open a table (myds) which is indexed on the
date field. When I pull a record in code it gets record 127. I tried a
movefirst command and the table still starts on record 127. Any ideas
what is happening appreciated.



Dim MyDb As Database, myds As Recordset

Set MyDb = CurrentDb()

Set myds = MyDb.OpenRecordset("tbl Produced HCPV% One Pattern",
dbOpenTable)



myds.MoveFirst

myds1.AddNew

myds1.Fields(0) = myds.Fields(0) 'Date

myds1.Fields(1) = myds.Fields(1) 'Pattern name

myds1.Fields(2) = myds.Fields(2) 'Cum total injection

myds1.Fields(3) = myds.Fields(3) 'Cum based HCPV%

myds1.Fields(4) = myds.Fields(4) 'Derivative based HCPV%

myds1.Update



Chester Kaup

Engineering Technician

Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP

Office (432) 688-3797

FAX (432) 688-3799





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From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com  Mon Aug 22 11:21:02 2005
From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester)
Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 11:21:02 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Table does not open to first record
Message-ID: <F1DD538AE6BCE74EBE562DE51564D322FAC45E@houexch1.kindermorgan.com>

Thanks that fixed it. Learn something new every day.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 11:02 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Table does not open to first record

Chester
Try inserting

myds.index="yourindexname"

after the Open
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--------- Original Message --------
From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Table does not open to first record
Date: 22/08/05 15:57


Myds is a table that has been populated in previous code one record at a
time. When I view my list of tables and double click on the table it
opens in ascending date order. When I open the table in code it does not
open on the first record which is the one with the earliest date. Hope
that makes sense.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 10:48 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Table does not open to first record

Sorry but I don't know what you mean by "pull a record in code". Do you
mean that when you move to the first record in myds, it isn't the
earliest date in the table? You don't indicate why myds1 is or how it's
populated either.

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Kaup, Chester [mailto:Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com]
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 8:30 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Table does not open to first record


I use the following code to open a table (myds) which is indexed on the
date field. When I pull a record in code it gets record 127. I tried a
movefirst command and the table still starts on record 127. Any ideas
what is happening appreciated.



Dim MyDb As Database, myds As Recordset

Set MyDb = CurrentDb()

Set myds = MyDb.OpenRecordset("tbl Produced HCPV% One Pattern",
dbOpenTable)



myds.MoveFirst

myds1.AddNew

myds1.Fields(0) = myds.Fields(0) 'Date

myds1.Fields(1) = myds.Fields(1) 'Pattern name

myds1.Fields(2) = myds.Fields(2) 'Cum total injection

myds1.Fields(3) = myds.Fields(3) 'Cum based HCPV%

myds1.Fields(4) = myds.Fields(4) 'Derivative based HCPV%

myds1.Update



Chester Kaup

Engineering Technician

Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP

Office (432) 688-3797

FAX (432) 688-3799





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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Mon Aug 22 11:43:26 2005
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 09:43:26 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Table does not open to first record
References: <F1DD538AE6BCE74EBE562DE51564D322FAC406@houexch1.kindermorgan.com>
Message-ID: <430A00AE.2070306@shaw.ca>

 An index won't guarantee the order in which the rows are returned from 
a table unless it is applied.
otherwise the table will be just like a shuffled deck of cards.
To apply an index use OrderBy  and dbOpenDynaset rather than dbOpenTable
If you don't specify the second parameter in Openrecordset , by default 
Access looks at the table
and uses dbOpenTable, if a local Table or dbOpenDynaSet , if a query or 
linked backend table.

So you would want to apply a  dynamic query to establish indexed order 
like so.
Or you can create your own named query in place of strSQL.

dim strSQL as String
strSQL = "SELECT * FROM [tbl Produced HCPV% One Pattern] OrderBy 
MyDateFieldname",
debug.print strSQL ' just to check you got it right

Set myds = MyDb.OpenRecordset(strSQL, dbOpenDynaset)



Kaup, Chester wrote:

>I use the following code to open a table (myds) which is indexed on the
>date field. When I pull a record in code it gets record 127. I tried a
>movefirst command and the table still starts on record 127. Any ideas
>what is happening appreciated.
>
> 
>
>Dim MyDb As Database, myds As Recordset
>
>Set MyDb = CurrentDb()
>
>Set myds = MyDb.OpenRecordset("tbl Produced HCPV% One Pattern",
>dbOpenTable)
>
> 
>
>myds.MoveFirst
>
>myds1.AddNew
>
>    myds1.Fields(0) = myds.Fields(0)    'Date
>
>    myds1.Fields(1) = myds.Fields(1)    'Pattern name
>
>    myds1.Fields(2) = myds.Fields(2)    'Cum total injection
>
>    myds1.Fields(3) = myds.Fields(3)    'Cum based HCPV%
>
>    myds1.Fields(4) = myds.Fields(4)    'Derivative based HCPV%
>
>myds1.Update
>
> 
>
>Chester Kaup
>
>Engineering Technician
>
>Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP
>
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>
>FAX (432) 688-3799
>
> 
>
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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Mon Aug 22 12:04:31 2005
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 10:04:31 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Table does not open to first record
References: <20050822160210.9B0B8254BCF@smtp.nildram.co.uk>
Message-ID: <430A059F.8070101@shaw.ca>

Me too, learn something again you had long forgotten about.

Andy Lacey wrote:

>Chester
>Try inserting
>
>myds.index="yourindexname"
>
>after the Open
>--
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>http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>
>
>
>
>--------- Original Message --------
>From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
><accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
><accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Table does not open to first record
>Date: 22/08/05 15:57
>
>
>Myds is a table that has been populated in previous code one record at a
>time. When I view my list of tables and double click on the table it
>opens in ascending date order. When I open the table in code it does not
>open on the first record which is the one with the earliest date. Hope
>that makes sense.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
>Foust
>Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 10:48 AM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Table does not open to first record
>
>Sorry but I don't know what you mean by "pull a record in code". Do you
>mean that when you move to the first record in myds, it isn't the
>earliest date in the table? You don't indicate why myds1 is or how it's
>populated either.
>
>Charlotte Foust
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Kaup, Chester [mailto:Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com]
>Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 8:30 AM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: [AccessD] Table does not open to first record
>
>
>I use the following code to open a table (myds) which is indexed on the
>date field. When I pull a record in code it gets record 127. I tried a
>movefirst command and the table still starts on record 127. Any ideas
>what is happening appreciated.
>
>
>
>Dim MyDb As Database, myds As Recordset
>
>Set MyDb = CurrentDb()
>
>Set myds = MyDb.OpenRecordset("tbl Produced HCPV% One Pattern",
>dbOpenTable)
>
>
>
>myds.MoveFirst
>
>myds1.AddNew
>
>myds1.Fields(0) = myds.Fields(0) 'Date
>
>myds1.Fields(1) = myds.Fields(1) 'Pattern name
>
>myds1.Fields(2) = myds.Fields(2) 'Cum total injection
>
>myds1.Fields(3) = myds.Fields(3) 'Cum based HCPV%
>
>myds1.Fields(4) = myds.Fields(4) 'Derivative based HCPV%
>
>myds1.Update
>
>
>
>Chester Kaup
>
>Engineering Technician
>
>Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP
>
>Office (432) 688-3797
>
>FAX (432) 688-3799
>
>
>
>
>
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>number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced.
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From shamil at users.mns.ru  Mon Aug 22 12:26:43 2005
From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 21:26:43 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86873BE0@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <004c01c5a741$49098280$6501a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru>

> I would be deeply honored to work with you on this ...
Thank you, Charlotte, for your confirmation that you're interested to work
in this project!

> Especially if any failures are all *your* fault! LOL
Yes, all the failures will be mine if you don't mind.
Glorious results  - common :)

> I suppose this means that I have to get better
>  are reading C# code, right?
Please don't do any preliminary work like starting to train yourself in
coding in C#...

> and this looks like fun!
...because you're right - it should be fun.

If you program on VB.NET then running C# unit tests and samples will not be
a problem at all I think.
And I think you'll get good experience in C# "automagically" while we will
be developing this project, therefore no need to worry about that now...

So, now it's my duty to prepare everything to start this project somewhere
end of this week.
Installing bBlog on my ISP hosting is the main task for me now.
Hopefully it will go smoothly.
I'm setting deadline to have it running: this Thursday, August 23, 2005,
evening...

Thank you,
Shamil

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 7:29 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..


> Shamil,
>
> I would be deeply honored to work with you on this ... Especially if any
> failures are all *your* fault! LOL
>
> I suppose this means that I have to get better are reading C# code,
> right?  <sigh>
>
> bBlog looks awesome, and this looks like fun!
>
>
> Charlotte
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Shamil Salakhetdinov [mailto:shamil at users.mns.ru]
> Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2005 1:34 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
>
>
> Hi Gustav,
>
> Thank you for your welcoming and support!
>
> I have intentions to start approaching and implementing this idea here
> beginning next week with progress results published as a blog.
>
> I decided to codename  this project (and its main object) as
>
> "Virtual Data Vault".
>
> It sounds generic but nothing more than making MS Access clients working
> in disconnected mode via ADO.NET with MS Access backends is planned on
> first steps. I mean first of all MS Access clients using bounds forms
> with data cached into local mdb tables...
>
> I don't have a lot of spare time but I do plan to find at least 20-30
> minutes per day for this project. To make this project possible and
> progressing in such small chunks I see the only way to go is to use XP
> with Unit testing. I hope Charlotte Foust will assist me and will be my
> peer reviewer becaue she seems to be most interested in this project.
> How about that opportunity Charlotte? - if you will find 10 minutes per
> day for this peroject - very fine, if just 10 minutes per week - would
> be good too! If this project fails or "dies", which may happen of course
> - this will be all my fault...
>
> Most of the programming is planned to be done in C#...
>
> For blogging bBlog is currently planned - http://www.bblog.com/ - but
> still to find out will it be possible to install it here on my ISP
> hosting....
>
> Any other good and simple to install blogging engines/opportunities?
>
> Thank you,
> Shamil
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
> To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2005 9:53 PM
> Subject: Svar: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
>
>
> > Hi Shamil
> >
> > First, welcome back to AccessD!
> > Then, I find this a very interesting topic with a lot of perspective.
> >
> > /gustav
> >
> > >>> shamil at users.mns.ru 18-08-05 1:28 >>>
> > Hi All,
> >
> > I wanted to ask you - what about the subject?
> > Anybody uses/interested to use MS Access client applications this way?
> >
> > Do I miss obvious (RTFM) stuff and such a disconnected mode is already
>
> > implemented in MS Access and broadly used by MS Access developers?
> > Yes, I know ADO recordsets can be used with bound MS Access forms etc.
>
> > but this looks like a rather limited feature - am I wrong?
> >
> > What I mean is cashing data locally into mdbs, only the data needed
> > for the currently open form(s) etc., processing this data and then
> > updating backend
> > database(mdb, MSDE, MS SQL, whatever...) - with all this cashing and
> > updating made mostly automatically by a tiny framework code, based on
> > ADO.NET...(yes, this local caching of data is not a new subject but
> > nowadays
> > it can be (re-)implement really scalable way with a way less efforts
> > than
> > before)
> >
> > Maybe MS plans to do something like that?
> >
> > Is that a wheel reinvention or anybody here sees such opportunity like
>
> > a really useful feature in their real life projects?
> >
> > For me it looks like a useful feature because it could help: to get MS
>
> > Access back into mainstream development area because it will allow to
> > easily scale applications with MS Access front-ends...
> >
> > There are many other ideas but most of them in this "ideas pool" based
>
> > on the subject one - if it doesn't make sense for real-life projects
> > then I'd
> > better stop working on it...
> >
> > What is your opinion about the subject?
> > When you expect MS will do something like that in MS Access?
> >
> > Thank you,
> > Shamil
> >
> > --
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From shamil at users.mns.ru  Mon Aug 22 12:57:05 2005
From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 21:57:05 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86873BE0@infoserver01.infostat.local>
	<004c01c5a741$49098280$6501a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru>
Message-ID: <000501c5a742$ea36b0a0$6501a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru>

> I'm setting deadline to have it running: this Thursday, August 23, 2005,
> evening...
Sorry, Thursday is 25 of August not 23th - I meant 25th as a deadline date
for bBlog up&running here...

Shamil

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil at users.mns.ru>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 9:26 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..


> > I would be deeply honored to work with you on this ...
> Thank you, Charlotte, for your confirmation that you're interested to work
> in this project!
>
> > Especially if any failures are all *your* fault! LOL
> Yes, all the failures will be mine if you don't mind.
> Glorious results  - common :)
>
> > I suppose this means that I have to get better
> >  are reading C# code, right?
> Please don't do any preliminary work like starting to train yourself in
> coding in C#...
>
> > and this looks like fun!
> ...because you're right - it should be fun.
>
> If you program on VB.NET then running C# unit tests and samples will not
be
> a problem at all I think.
> And I think you'll get good experience in C# "automagically" while we will
> be developing this project, therefore no need to worry about that now...
>
> So, now it's my duty to prepare everything to start this project somewhere
> end of this week.
> Installing bBlog on my ISP hosting is the main task for me now.
> Hopefully it will go smoothly.
> I'm setting deadline to have it running: this Thursday, August 23, 2005,
> evening...
>
> Thank you,
> Shamil
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 7:29 PM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
>
>
> > Shamil,
> >
> > I would be deeply honored to work with you on this ... Especially if any
> > failures are all *your* fault! LOL
> >
> > I suppose this means that I have to get better are reading C# code,
> > right?  <sigh>
> >
> > bBlog looks awesome, and this looks like fun!
> >
> >
> > Charlotte
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Shamil Salakhetdinov [mailto:shamil at users.mns.ru]
> > Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2005 1:34 PM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
> >
> >
> > Hi Gustav,
> >
> > Thank you for your welcoming and support!
> >
> > I have intentions to start approaching and implementing this idea here
> > beginning next week with progress results published as a blog.
> >
> > I decided to codename  this project (and its main object) as
> >
> > "Virtual Data Vault".
> >
> > It sounds generic but nothing more than making MS Access clients working
> > in disconnected mode via ADO.NET with MS Access backends is planned on
> > first steps. I mean first of all MS Access clients using bounds forms
> > with data cached into local mdb tables...
> >
> > I don't have a lot of spare time but I do plan to find at least 20-30
> > minutes per day for this project. To make this project possible and
> > progressing in such small chunks I see the only way to go is to use XP
> > with Unit testing. I hope Charlotte Foust will assist me and will be my
> > peer reviewer becaue she seems to be most interested in this project.
> > How about that opportunity Charlotte? - if you will find 10 minutes per
> > day for this peroject - very fine, if just 10 minutes per week - would
> > be good too! If this project fails or "dies", which may happen of course
> > - this will be all my fault...
> >
> > Most of the programming is planned to be done in C#...
> >
> > For blogging bBlog is currently planned - http://www.bblog.com/ - but
> > still to find out will it be possible to install it here on my ISP
> > hosting....
> >
> > Any other good and simple to install blogging engines/opportunities?
> >
> > Thank you,
> > Shamil
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
> > To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2005 9:53 PM
> > Subject: Svar: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
> >
> >
> > > Hi Shamil
> > >
> > > First, welcome back to AccessD!
> > > Then, I find this a very interesting topic with a lot of perspective.
> > >
> > > /gustav
> > >
> > > >>> shamil at users.mns.ru 18-08-05 1:28 >>>
> > > Hi All,
> > >
> > > I wanted to ask you - what about the subject?
> > > Anybody uses/interested to use MS Access client applications this way?
> > >
> > > Do I miss obvious (RTFM) stuff and such a disconnected mode is already
> >
> > > implemented in MS Access and broadly used by MS Access developers?
> > > Yes, I know ADO recordsets can be used with bound MS Access forms etc.
> >
> > > but this looks like a rather limited feature - am I wrong?
> > >
> > > What I mean is cashing data locally into mdbs, only the data needed
> > > for the currently open form(s) etc., processing this data and then
> > > updating backend
> > > database(mdb, MSDE, MS SQL, whatever...) - with all this cashing and
> > > updating made mostly automatically by a tiny framework code, based on
> > > ADO.NET...(yes, this local caching of data is not a new subject but
> > > nowadays
> > > it can be (re-)implement really scalable way with a way less efforts
> > > than
> > > before)
> > >
> > > Maybe MS plans to do something like that?
> > >
> > > Is that a wheel reinvention or anybody here sees such opportunity like
> >
> > > a really useful feature in their real life projects?
> > >
> > > For me it looks like a useful feature because it could help: to get MS
> >
> > > Access back into mainstream development area because it will allow to
> > > easily scale applications with MS Access front-ends...
> > >
> > > There are many other ideas but most of them in this "ideas pool" based
> >
> > > on the subject one - if it doesn't make sense for real-life projects
> > > then I'd
> > > better stop working on it...
> > >
> > > What is your opinion about the subject?
> > > When you expect MS will do something like that in MS Access?
> > >
> > > Thank you,
> > > Shamil
> > >
> > > --
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> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
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From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com  Mon Aug 22 16:17:01 2005
From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester)
Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 16:17:01 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Table does not open to first record
Message-ID: <F1DD538AE6BCE74EBE562DE51564D322FAC4F6@houexch1.kindermorgan.com>

Doesn't order by just sort the records. Would I not still want an index
on the table for speed of processing and searching? Why does access ask
for a sort order when creating an index if it is not used in data
retrieval? Help me understand. Thanks.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 11:43 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Table does not open to first record

 An index won't guarantee the order in which the rows are returned from 
a table unless it is applied.
otherwise the table will be just like a shuffled deck of cards.
To apply an index use OrderBy  and dbOpenDynaset rather than dbOpenTable
If you don't specify the second parameter in Openrecordset , by default 
Access looks at the table
and uses dbOpenTable, if a local Table or dbOpenDynaSet , if a query or 
linked backend table.

So you would want to apply a  dynamic query to establish indexed order 
like so.
Or you can create your own named query in place of strSQL.

dim strSQL as String
strSQL = "SELECT * FROM [tbl Produced HCPV% One Pattern] OrderBy 
MyDateFieldname",
debug.print strSQL ' just to check you got it right

Set myds = MyDb.OpenRecordset(strSQL, dbOpenDynaset)



Kaup, Chester wrote:

>I use the following code to open a table (myds) which is indexed on the
>date field. When I pull a record in code it gets record 127. I tried a
>movefirst command and the table still starts on record 127. Any ideas
>what is happening appreciated.
>
> 
>
>Dim MyDb As Database, myds As Recordset
>
>Set MyDb = CurrentDb()
>
>Set myds = MyDb.OpenRecordset("tbl Produced HCPV% One Pattern",
>dbOpenTable)
>
> 
>
>myds.MoveFirst
>
>myds1.AddNew
>
>    myds1.Fields(0) = myds.Fields(0)    'Date
>
>    myds1.Fields(1) = myds.Fields(1)    'Pattern name
>
>    myds1.Fields(2) = myds.Fields(2)    'Cum total injection
>
>    myds1.Fields(3) = myds.Fields(3)    'Cum based HCPV%
>
>    myds1.Fields(4) = myds.Fields(4)    'Derivative based HCPV%
>
>myds1.Update
>
> 
>
>Chester Kaup
>
>Engineering Technician
>
>Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP
>
>Office (432) 688-3797
>
>FAX (432) 688-3799
>
> 
>
> 
>
>No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However a large
>number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced.
>
> 
>
>  
>

-- 
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada



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From prodevmg at yahoo.com  Mon Aug 22 16:42:46 2005
From: prodevmg at yahoo.com (Lonnie Johnson)
Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 14:42:46 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] VBA to ActiveX
Message-ID: <20050822214246.41640.qmail@web33114.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I have lots of VBA code in an Access datatabase that runs each night to update various tables and values based on certain conditions. Some of it is complicated such as calculating distance based on longitude and latitude and it is why I use VBA.
 
However, I would like to move this processing over to our SQL Server. Would it be easy to convert some of the functions to DTS ActiveX packages? Is this even the way to go? I am looking to increase the performance and figured I could do so by moving it to the SQL Server side.




May God bless you beyond your imagination!
Lonnie Johnson
ProDev, Professional Development of MS Access Databases
Visit me at ==> http://www.prodev.us





 





		
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Mon Aug 22 17:03:01 2005
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 08:03:01 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Table does not open to first record
In-Reply-To: <F1DD538AE6BCE74EBE562DE51564D322FAC4F6@houexch1.kindermorgan.com>
Message-ID: <430AD835.9142.11AB50@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

On 22 Aug 2005 at 16:17, Kaup, Chester wrote:

> Doesn't order by just sort the records. 
Yes

>Would I not still want an index
> on the table for speed of processing and searching? 
Yes.

>Why does access ask
> for a sort order when creating an index if it is not used in data
> retrieval? 

It is. Generally, Access is smart enough to work out what index(es) to use 
when sorting data, as long as you  tell it what order you want it in.

You can have many different indexes on a table in order to retreive data in 
a particular order quickly but until you tell it to do so, Access will not 
know what order you want and will just give you the records one at a time 
in the order they are stored (which can change at any time depnending on 
what you are doing with deletes/inserts/amends  to the data)





-- 
Stuart




From artful at rogers.com  Mon Aug 22 17:52:41 2005
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 18:52:41 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Cannot Compact and Repaid (Access 2003)
Message-ID: <200508222252.j7MMqfR07523@databaseadvisors.com>

I have an app that reports ``Invalid operation` when I attempt to compact
and repair. I already tried creating a new one and importing everything, and
I get the same error on the new one. I can however successfully compile the
app. I am puzzled. There are lots of forms, queries, reports and modules, so
I really do not want to import them one by one to see where the problem
lies. Any other suggestions?

TIA,

Arthur



From dwaters at usinternet.com  Mon Aug 22 18:08:44 2005
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 16:08:44 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Cannot Compact and Repaid (Access 2003)
In-Reply-To: <29946311.1124750563727.JavaMail.root@sniper21>
Message-ID: <000001c5a76e$71f80d10$38018e0a@danwaters>

Arthur,

Import each group of objects separately.  Test after each import.  I'd try
tables first since nothing else compacts.

Then import say, 10 of each object to narrow down to the offending single
object.

HTH,

Dan Waters

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 3:53 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Cannot Compact and Repaid (Access 2003)

I have an app that reports ``Invalid operation` when I attempt to compact
and repair. I already tried creating a new one and importing everything, and
I get the same error on the new one. I can however successfully compile the
app. I am puzzled. There are lots of forms, queries, reports and modules, so
I really do not want to import them one by one to see where the problem
lies. Any other suggestions?

TIA,

Arthur

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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Mon Aug 22 19:44:17 2005
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 17:44:17 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Cannot Compact and Repaid (Access 2003)
References: <200508222252.j7MMqfR07523@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <03cd01c5a77b$cb11bb00$6501a8c0@HAL9004>

Binary search?  Import half the objects into one database, half into 
another. Compact and repair both. See which one fails.  Eventually you'll 
find the culprit?

But I'd try decompile first on the whole mdb.  Then C&R. See if that clears 
up the problem.


Rocky

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Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 3:52 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Cannot Compact and Repaid (Access 2003)


>I have an app that reports ``Invalid operation` when I attempt to compact
> and repair. I already tried creating a new one and importing everything, 
> and
> I get the same error on the new one. I can however successfully compile 
> the
> app. I am puzzled. There are lots of forms, queries, reports and modules, 
> so
> I really do not want to import them one by one to see where the problem
> lies. Any other suggestions?
>
> TIA,
>
> Arthur
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From artful at rogers.com  Mon Aug 22 19:47:46 2005
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 20:47:46 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Cannot Compact and Repaid (Access 2003)
In-Reply-To: <000001c5a76e$71f80d10$38018e0a@danwaters>
Message-ID: <200508230047.j7N0ljR02969@databaseadvisors.com>

All the tables are linked, not resident in the FE itself. But I guess that
you are correct, I should import group by group and compact after each.
Bummer!
Arthur

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: August 22, 2005 7:09 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Cannot Compact and Repaid (Access 2003)

Arthur,

Import each group of objects separately.  Test after each import.  I'd try
tables first since nothing else compacts.

Then import say, 10 of each object to narrow down to the offending single
object.

HTH,

Dan Waters



From itsame2000 at sbcglobal.net  Mon Aug 22 23:30:45 2005
From: itsame2000 at sbcglobal.net (Jeremy Toves)
Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 21:30:45 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Filter Problems
Message-ID: <20050823043045.67936.qmail@web81501.mail.yahoo.com>

I have a popup form that lists work orders as a continuous form.  When it comes up, I want it only to list the active work orders.  There is a check box on the popup that I can check to display all.  This check box is meant to toggle back and forth between showing all and just the active work orders.  
 
The check box works, except when the form first comes up, it displays nothing.  How can I have it display the actives without having to rewrite the SQL statement in VBA each time?  I'm thinking there is a quick filter that can be used.  
 
Thanks,
Jeremy
 
 


From artful at rogers.com  Tue Aug 23 00:53:24 2005
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 01:53:24 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Cannot Compact and Repaid (Access 2003)
In-Reply-To: <200508230047.j7N0ljR02969@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <200508230553.j7N5rKR12711@databaseadvisors.com>

Truly weird. I pulled all the objects into a new MDB, 10 at a time,
compacting after each pull. Everything came in and everything compiled, and
the file size went from 31 MB to 5 MB. All is bliss, all is bliss.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: August 22, 2005 8:48 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Cannot Compact and Repaid (Access 2003)

All the tables are linked, not resident in the FE itself. But I guess that
you are correct, I should import group by group and compact after each.
Bummer!
Arthur



From dwaters at usinternet.com  Tue Aug 23 08:26:10 2005
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 06:26:10 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Cannot Compact and Repaid (Access 2003)
In-Reply-To: <33360566.1124776587796.JavaMail.root@sniper18>
Message-ID: <000901c5a7e6$3af182b0$8d05a8c0@danwaters>

It's weird, but not unusual.  :-(

Glad to hear to hear you got it all back!!

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 10:53 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Cannot Compact and Repaid (Access 2003)

Truly weird. I pulled all the objects into a new MDB, 10 at a time,
compacting after each pull. Everything came in and everything compiled, and
the file size went from 31 MB to 5 MB. All is bliss, all is bliss.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: August 22, 2005 8:48 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Cannot Compact and Repaid (Access 2003)

All the tables are linked, not resident in the FE itself. But I guess that
you are correct, I should import group by group and compact after each.
Bummer!
Arthur

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Aug 23 08:42:35 2005
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 09:42:35 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Filter Problems
In-Reply-To: <20050823043045.67936.qmail@web81501.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <002701c5a7e8$87da7760$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

Open the form with the checkbox set to a default value, then in OnOpen
requery the form - me.requery.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy Toves
Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 12:31 AM
To: Access Developers
Subject: [AccessD] Filter Problems


I have a popup form that lists work orders as a continuous form.  When it
comes up, I want it only to list the active work orders.  There is a check
box on the popup that I can check to display all.  This check box is meant
to toggle back and forth between showing all and just the active work
orders.  
 
The check box works, except when the form first comes up, it displays
nothing.  How can I have it display the actives without having to rewrite
the SQL statement in VBA each time?  I'm thinking there is a quick filter
that can be used.  
 
Thanks,
Jeremy
 
 
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From itsame2000 at sbcglobal.net  Tue Aug 23 08:48:42 2005
From: itsame2000 at sbcglobal.net (Jeremy Toves)
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 06:48:42 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Filter Problems
In-Reply-To: <002701c5a7e8$87da7760$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <20050823134842.54268.qmail@web81502.mail.yahoo.com>

Thanks!  That sounds like an easy solution.  I will try that tonight. 

Jeremy

"John W. Colby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
Open the form with the checkbox set to a default value, then in OnOpen
requery the form - me.requery.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy Toves
Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 12:31 AM
To: Access Developers
Subject: [AccessD] Filter Problems


I have a popup form that lists work orders as a continuous form. When it
comes up, I want it only to list the active work orders. There is a check
box on the popup that I can check to display all. This check box is meant
to toggle back and forth between showing all and just the active work
orders. 

The check box works, except when the form first comes up, it displays
nothing. How can I have it display the actives without having to rewrite
the SQL statement in VBA each time? I'm thinking there is a quick filter
that can be used. 

Thanks,
Jeremy


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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Aug 23 09:02:23 2005
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 10:02:23 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Filter Problems
In-Reply-To: <20050823134842.54268.qmail@web81502.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <002901c5a7eb$4bdff9d0$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

The other way to do this is to open the form with no recordset, or with a
recordset (SQL Statement) with a where clause that pulls no records -
perhaps with a WHERE WorkOrder = "Nonsense" or something like that.  This
causes the form to open with no records.  Then in OnOpen just place the name
of a saved query into the form's RecordSource.  Doing that will cause the
form to requery, displaying the records that match the checkbox.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy Toves
Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 9:49 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Filter Problems


Thanks!  That sounds like an easy solution.  I will try that tonight. 

Jeremy

"John W. Colby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
Open the form with the checkbox set to a default value, then in OnOpen
requery the form - me.requery.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy Toves
Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 12:31 AM
To: Access Developers
Subject: [AccessD] Filter Problems


I have a popup form that lists work orders as a continuous form. When it
comes up, I want it only to list the active work orders. There is a check
box on the popup that I can check to display all. This check box is meant to
toggle back and forth between showing all and just the active work orders. 

The check box works, except when the form first comes up, it displays
nothing. How can I have it display the actives without having to rewrite the
SQL statement in VBA each time? I'm thinking there is a quick filter that
can be used. 

Thanks,
Jeremy


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From itsame2000 at sbcglobal.net  Tue Aug 23 09:07:46 2005
From: itsame2000 at sbcglobal.net (Jeremy Toves)
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 07:07:46 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Filter Problems
In-Reply-To: <002901c5a7eb$4bdff9d0$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <20050823140746.25506.qmail@web81507.mail.yahoo.com>

Thanks again.  The first solution seems more simple.  If it has problems, then I will try this one.  

Jeremy

 

"John W. Colby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
The other way to do this is to open the form with no recordset, or with a
recordset (SQL Statement) with a where clause that pulls no records -
perhaps with a WHERE WorkOrder = "Nonsense" or something like that. This
causes the form to open with no records. Then in OnOpen just place the name
of a saved query into the form's RecordSource. Doing that will cause the
form to requery, displaying the records that match the checkbox.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy Toves
Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 9:49 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Filter Problems


Thanks! That sounds like an easy solution. I will try that tonight. 

Jeremy

"John W. Colby" wrote:
Open the form with the checkbox set to a default value, then in OnOpen
requery the form - me.requery.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy Toves
Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 12:31 AM
To: Access Developers
Subject: [AccessD] Filter Problems


I have a popup form that lists work orders as a continuous form. When it
comes up, I want it only to list the active work orders. There is a check
box on the popup that I can check to display all. This check box is meant to
toggle back and forth between showing all and just the active work orders. 

The check box works, except when the form first comes up, it displays
nothing. How can I have it display the actives without having to rewrite the
SQL statement in VBA each time? I'm thinking there is a quick filter that
can be used. 

Thanks,
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Aug 23 09:15:30 2005
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 10:15:30 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Filter Problems
In-Reply-To: <20050823140746.25506.qmail@web81507.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <002a01c5a7ed$1e59da60$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

LOL, that is true.  The first solution pulls all the records twice.  If the
form is simple and only pulls a handful of records this won't be an issue.
If the form were to pull a large complex recordset it could cause a lot of
network traffic and take a long time to open, then a long time to requery.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy Toves
Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 10:08 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Filter Problems


Thanks again.  The first solution seems more simple.  If it has problems,
then I will try this one.  

Jeremy

 

"John W. Colby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
The other way to do this is to open the form with no recordset, or with a
recordset (SQL Statement) with a where clause that pulls no records -
perhaps with a WHERE WorkOrder = "Nonsense" or something like that. This
causes the form to open with no records. Then in OnOpen just place the name
of a saved query into the form's RecordSource. Doing that will cause the
form to requery, displaying the records that match the checkbox.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy Toves
Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 9:49 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Filter Problems


Thanks! That sounds like an easy solution. I will try that tonight. 

Jeremy

"John W. Colby" wrote:
Open the form with the checkbox set to a default value, then in OnOpen
requery the form - me.requery.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy Toves
Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 12:31 AM
To: Access Developers
Subject: [AccessD] Filter Problems


I have a popup form that lists work orders as a continuous form. When it
comes up, I want it only to list the active work orders. There is a check
box on the popup that I can check to display all. This check box is meant to
toggle back and forth between showing all and just the active work orders. 

The check box works, except when the form first comes up, it displays
nothing. How can I have it display the actives without having to rewrite the
SQL statement in VBA each time? I'm thinking there is a quick filter that
can be used. 

Thanks,
Jeremy


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From shamil at users.mns.ru  Tue Aug 23 10:27:30 2005
From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 19:27:30 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86873BE0@infoserver01.infostat.local>
	<004c01c5a741$49098280$6501a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru>
Message-ID: <002001c5a7f7$3c8ecf40$6501a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru>

> I'm setting deadline to have it running: this Thursday, August 23, 2005,
> evening...
bBlog is installed today two days before planned schedule -
http://smsconsulting.spb.ru/vdv/

You're welcome to visit it to see it's working and to post your comments!
But nothing there yet - just the first welcome message.
First posting is planned on this Friday.
Till then I will play a little with bBlog to see how it can be tuned to make
the blog more feature-rich..

Shamil

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From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil at users.mns.ru>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 9:26 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..


> > I would be deeply honored to work with you on this ...
> Thank you, Charlotte, for your confirmation that you're interested to work
> in this project!
>
> > Especially if any failures are all *your* fault! LOL
> Yes, all the failures will be mine if you don't mind.
> Glorious results  - common :)
>
> > I suppose this means that I have to get better
> >  are reading C# code, right?
> Please don't do any preliminary work like starting to train yourself in
> coding in C#...
>
> > and this looks like fun!
> ...because you're right - it should be fun.
>
> If you program on VB.NET then running C# unit tests and samples will not
be
> a problem at all I think.
> And I think you'll get good experience in C# "automagically" while we will
> be developing this project, therefore no need to worry about that now...
>
> So, now it's my duty to prepare everything to start this project somewhere
> end of this week.
> Installing bBlog on my ISP hosting is the main task for me now.
> Hopefully it will go smoothly.
> I'm setting deadline to have it running: this Thursday, August 23, 2005,
> evening...
>
> Thank you,
> Shamil
>

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From bheid at appdevgrp.com  Tue Aug 23 12:47:22 2005
From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid)
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 13:47:22 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Weird VSS issue - again.  X-posted to Access-L.
Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30ABEE9B@ADGSERVER>

Hey all,

We have a fairly large FE with hundreds of queries in it (Acc XP).  There is
this one set of queries that use a pretty complex sub-query.  By complex, I
mean that there are a lot of joins and criteria in it.

Whomever did the original design then self-joined the sub-query 5 times.
This is to handle the tiering of the data.

Any way, after building from source in VSS, this one query would sometimes
be blank.  We finally tracked down how to prevent it from happening.  We had
to view the query in SQL view and then save it.

Well, we just had to add another tier to some other queries (which are like
the ones above) and the same thing happened upon building from source.  I
believe it has something to do with the complexity of the queries.

Does anyone know what might be going on and what we can do to stop it from
happening?  It's becoming a real PIA.

Thanks,
Bobby



From Gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Aug 23 13:18:55 2005
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 20:18:55 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Weird VSS issue - again.  X-posted to Access-L.
Message-ID: <s30b84c5.038@cactus.dk>

Hi Bobby

I don't use VSS, but could it be that some of the field names of the
subqueries are not known at design time?
This may happen if one or more of these are crosstab queries, and it
will cause troubles if you cannot specify (hardcode) the output columns
or have not done so.

/gustav

>>> bheid at appdevgrp.com 08/23 7:47 pm >>>
Hey all,

We have a fairly large FE with hundreds of queries in it (Acc XP). 
There is this one set of queries that use a pretty complex sub-query. 
By complex, I mean that there are a lot of joins and criteria in it.

Whomever did the original design then self-joined the sub-query 5
times. This is to handle the tiering of the data.

Any way, after building from source in VSS, this one query would
sometimes be blank.  We finally tracked down how to prevent it from
happening.  We had to view the query in SQL view and then save it.

Well, we just had to add another tier to some other queries (which are
like the ones above) and the same thing happened upon building from
source.  I believe it has something to do with the complexity of the
queries.

Does anyone know what might be going on and what we can do to stop it
from happening?  It's becoming a real PIA.

Thanks,
Bobby



From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue Aug 23 13:34:18 2005
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 11:34:18 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Weird VSS issue - again.  X-posted to Access-L.
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86873BE8@infoserver01.infostat.local>

I've never seen anything like this as an artifact of VSS, but are you
using in-line subqueries?  I have seen weirdness occur when you view
that query in design view and then save it because the query engine
insists on changing the punctuation around the subquery to something
that breaks later on.

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Bobby Heid [mailto:bheid at appdevgrp.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 10:47 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Weird VSS issue - again. X-posted to Access-L.


Hey all,

We have a fairly large FE with hundreds of queries in it (Acc XP).
There is this one set of queries that use a pretty complex sub-query.
By complex, I mean that there are a lot of joins and criteria in it.

Whomever did the original design then self-joined the sub-query 5 times.
This is to handle the tiering of the data.

Any way, after building from source in VSS, this one query would
sometimes be blank.  We finally tracked down how to prevent it from
happening.  We had to view the query in SQL view and then save it.

Well, we just had to add another tier to some other queries (which are
like the ones above) and the same thing happened upon building from
source.  I believe it has something to do with the complexity of the
queries.

Does anyone know what might be going on and what we can do to stop it
from happening?  It's becoming a real PIA.

Thanks,
Bobby

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From bheid at appdevgrp.com  Tue Aug 23 13:42:49 2005
From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid)
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 14:42:49 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Weird VSS issue - again.  X-posted to Access-L.
In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30C6DAE9@ADGSERVER>
Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30ABEE9F@ADGSERVER>

Hey Gustav,

At the time of creation/editing/saving all of the field names are known.
These are not cross-tab queries.

The weird thing is that it works ok most of the time.  And when it does mess
up, it messes up for all of the seven queries (that are usually affected)
that have been edited (at least the 7 queries that it now affects).  All of
the other queries are fine.

Bobby

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 2:19 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Weird VSS issue - again. X-posted to Access-L.


Hi Bobby

I don't use VSS, but could it be that some of the field names of the
subqueries are not known at design time?
This may happen if one or more of these are crosstab queries, and it
will cause troubles if you cannot specify (hardcode) the output columns
or have not done so.

/gustav

>>> bheid at appdevgrp.com 08/23 7:47 pm >>>
Hey all,

We have a fairly large FE with hundreds of queries in it (Acc XP). 
There is this one set of queries that use a pretty complex sub-query. 
By complex, I mean that there are a lot of joins and criteria in it.

Whomever did the original design then self-joined the sub-query 5
times. This is to handle the tiering of the data.

Any way, after building from source in VSS, this one query would
sometimes be blank.  We finally tracked down how to prevent it from
happening.  We had to view the query in SQL view and then save it.

Well, we just had to add another tier to some other queries (which are
like the ones above) and the same thing happened upon building from
source.  I believe it has something to do with the complexity of the
queries.

Does anyone know what might be going on and what we can do to stop it
from happening?  It's becoming a real PIA.

Thanks,
Bobby



From bheid at appdevgrp.com  Tue Aug 23 13:44:04 2005
From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid)
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 14:44:04 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Weird VSS issue - again.  X-posted to Access-L.
In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30C6DAF5@ADGSERVER>
Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30ABEEA0@ADGSERVER>

Hey Charlotte,

No, no inline queries.  We create the sub queries as a separate query.  But
I do think it has to do with the complexity of the queries.

Thanks,
Bobby

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 2:34 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Weird VSS issue - again. X-posted to Access-L.


I've never seen anything like this as an artifact of VSS, but are you
using in-line subqueries?  I have seen weirdness occur when you view
that query in design view and then save it because the query engine
insists on changing the punctuation around the subquery to something
that breaks later on.

Charlotte Foust


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From: Bobby Heid [mailto:bheid at appdevgrp.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 10:47 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Weird VSS issue - again. X-posted to Access-L.


Hey all,

We have a fairly large FE with hundreds of queries in it (Acc XP).
There is this one set of queries that use a pretty complex sub-query.
By complex, I mean that there are a lot of joins and criteria in it.

Whomever did the original design then self-joined the sub-query 5 times.
This is to handle the tiering of the data.

Any way, after building from source in VSS, this one query would
sometimes be blank.  We finally tracked down how to prevent it from
happening.  We had to view the query in SQL view and then save it.

Well, we just had to add another tier to some other queries (which are
like the ones above) and the same thing happened upon building from
source.  I believe it has something to do with the complexity of the
queries.

Does anyone know what might be going on and what we can do to stop it
from happening?  It's becoming a real PIA.

Thanks,
Bobby



From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Tue Aug 23 14:29:42 2005
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 12:29:42 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Weird VSS issue - again.  X-posted to Access-L.
References: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30ABEE9B@ADGSERVER>
Message-ID: <430B7926.6070706@shaw.ca>

I don't know if this will help but you can compile and decompile queries.
http://www.trigeminal.com/lang/1033/codes.asp?ItemID=15#15

Bobby Heid wrote:

>Hey all,
>
>We have a fairly large FE with hundreds of queries in it (Acc XP).  There is
>this one set of queries that use a pretty complex sub-query.  By complex, I
>mean that there are a lot of joins and criteria in it.
>
>Whomever did the original design then self-joined the sub-query 5 times.
>This is to handle the tiering of the data.
>
>Any way, after building from source in VSS, this one query would sometimes
>be blank.  We finally tracked down how to prevent it from happening.  We had
>to view the query in SQL view and then save it.
>
>Well, we just had to add another tier to some other queries (which are like
>the ones above) and the same thing happened upon building from source.  I
>believe it has something to do with the complexity of the queries.
>
>Does anyone know what might be going on and what we can do to stop it from
>happening?  It's becoming a real PIA.
>
>Thanks,
>Bobby
>
>  
>

-- 
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Canada





From itsame2000 at sbcglobal.net  Tue Aug 23 20:46:33 2005
From: itsame2000 at sbcglobal.net (Jeremy Toves)
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 18:46:33 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Filter Problems
In-Reply-To: <002701c5a7e8$87da7760$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <20050824014633.7815.qmail@web81504.mail.yahoo.com>

John,

This worked perfectly.  There isn't much data.  I'm just tracking work orders.  There is no noticeable degradation in speed.

Thanks,
Jeremy
 


"John W. Colby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
Open the form with the checkbox set to a default value, then in OnOpen
requery the form - me.requery.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
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Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 12:31 AM
To: Access Developers
Subject: [AccessD] Filter Problems


I have a popup form that lists work orders as a continuous form. When it
comes up, I want it only to list the active work orders. There is a check
box on the popup that I can check to display all. This check box is meant
to toggle back and forth between showing all and just the active work
orders. 

The check box works, except when the form first comes up, it displays
nothing. How can I have it display the actives without having to rewrite
the SQL statement in VBA each time? I'm thinking there is a quick filter
that can be used. 

Thanks,
Jeremy


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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Aug 23 20:53:06 2005
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 21:53:06 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Filter Problems
In-Reply-To: <20050824014633.7815.qmail@web81504.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <003e01c5a84e$95669290$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

Yea, go.  Glad I could help.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy Toves
Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 9:47 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Filter Problems


John,

This worked perfectly.  There isn't much data.  I'm just tracking work
orders.  There is no noticeable degradation in speed.

Thanks,
Jeremy
 


"John W. Colby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
Open the form with the checkbox set to a default value, then in OnOpen
requery the form - me.requery.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy Toves
Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 12:31 AM
To: Access Developers
Subject: [AccessD] Filter Problems


I have a popup form that lists work orders as a continuous form. When it
comes up, I want it only to list the active work orders. There is a check
box on the popup that I can check to display all. This check box is meant to
toggle back and forth between showing all and just the active work orders. 

The check box works, except when the form first comes up, it displays
nothing. How can I have it display the actives without having to rewrite the
SQL statement in VBA each time? I'm thinking there is a quick filter that
can be used. 

Thanks,
Jeremy


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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Aug 24 04:08:09 2005
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 11:08:09 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] the dreaded n-recursive parts explosion (BOM)
	query...again
Message-ID: <s30c552b.040@cactus.dk>

Hi Bruce and Marty

A recent article from MySQL covers this topic:

  http://dev.mysql.com/tech-resources/articles/hierarchical-data.html 

Still, I'm not sure these nested sets are pure happiness - on average
you have to update 50% of all records when inserting or deleting a
record.

/gustav

>>> martyconnelly at shaw.ca 07/20 1:49 am >>>
Do you mean the nested set solution from Joe Celko
It is further written up in his book "SQL for Smarties"
http://www.mvps.org/access/queries/qry0023.htm 
or this one
http://www.mvps.org/access/modules/mdl0027.htm 

Bruen, Bruce wrote:

>Hi folks,
> 
>I thought I had got over this one years ago and can't find the SQL
query
>template someone (Lembit???) here kindly supplied last time.  
> 
>But it has come back to get me again, so....
> 
>Does someone have a "template" query to return all the parts in an
>n-level parts explosion, preferably in binary-tree pre-order order.
>* all components, subcomponents and parts are held in the same table,

>* it is a one way tree - i.e. parts that are used in multiple
assemblies
>appear multiple times in the table (i.e.i.e. the pkey for the tree
table
>is not the SKU)
> 
> 
>tia
>bruce
>
>  
>

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From paul.hartland at fsmail.net  Wed Aug 24 05:32:25 2005
From: paul.hartland at fsmail.net (paul.hartland at fsmail.net)
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 12:32:25 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [AccessD] Detecting CD Drive Letter
Message-ID: <30292505.1124879545237.JavaMail.www@wwinf3101>

To all,
Is there a way of detecting via VBA or VB code the drive letter of the CD on a PC ?
Thanks in advance for any help on this
Paul Hartland
Database Developer

From tom.bolton at donnslaw.co.uk  Wed Aug 24 05:44:57 2005
From: tom.bolton at donnslaw.co.uk (Tom Bolton)
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 11:44:57 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Detecting CD Drive Letter
Message-ID: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C831880802A318@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>

There is - there's an API to do it.  Not done this for a long while now, but
I remember using a huge VB app with a database that lived on the CD; a bit
like a rudimentary CD key.  Anyhoo:

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;291575

This'll give you all the info.

HTH
Tom



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Sent: 24-Aug-2005 11:32
To: accessd
Subject: [AccessD] Detecting CD Drive Letter

To all,
Is there a way of detecting via VBA or VB code the drive letter of the CD on
a PC ?
Thanks in advance for any help on this
Paul Hartland
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Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 11:50:44 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Detecting CD Drive Letter
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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tom Bolton
Sent: 24 August 2005 11:45
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Detecting CD Drive Letter

There is - there's an API to do it.  Not done this for a long while now, but
I remember using a huge VB app with a database that lived on the CD; a bit
like a rudimentary CD key.  Anyhoo:

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;291575

This'll give you all the info.

HTH
Tom



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To: accessd
Subject: [AccessD] Detecting CD Drive Letter

To all,
Is there a way of detecting via VBA or VB code the drive letter of the CD on
a PC ?
Thanks in advance for any help on this
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From roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk  Wed Aug 24 05:53:05 2005
From: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk (Roz Clarke)
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 11:53:05 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Change of circumstances
Message-ID: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C8318807225F0D@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>

Dear all

Like so many access-d members before me, I will shortly be giving up my day
job and looking for freelance work. The trouble is I don't want to work 24/7
- I am starting a masters degree this autumn, and writing a novel. But it
would be nice to keep my hand in with a bit of analysis &/or development
work, and of course the money would not go amiss.

Does anyone have any suggestions as to how I could do this?

I have 10 years experience with Access but I'm no guru, as you know. I've
extended into other Office apps a good deal, including Outlook. I have some
SQL dev skills and a smattering of SQL DBA knowledge. I'm getting into
ASP.NET. I'm a good analyst and I think I'm a decent team leader, (whatever
Tom says). My real strength is project management.

I'd like to work 2 days a week, but I appreciate that freelance work never
respects that kind of wish. :)

Any advice would be much appreciated

TIA

Roz
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From Johncliviger at aol.com  Wed Aug 24 06:23:40 2005
From: Johncliviger at aol.com (Johncliviger at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 07:23:40 EDT
Subject: [AccessD] Change of circumstances
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Roz
 
I think your are in the Manchester, England area, if I'm right email me a  cv 
at _databaseuk at aol.com_ (mailto:databaseuk at aol.com) 
 
John


From paul.hartland at isharp.co.uk  Wed Aug 24 06:34:20 2005
From: paul.hartland at isharp.co.uk (Paul Hartland (ISHARP))
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 12:34:20 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Change of circumstances
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John,

Forgive me for getting involved in this conversation, I am currently full
time employed but will shortly be looking to do some freelance work outside
hours...If you think I could be for anything, email me at
paul.hartland at fsmail.net and I will send my CV in reply.

Paul Hartland
 

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Subject: Re: [AccessD] Change of circumstances

Roz
 
I think your are in the Manchester, England area, if I'm right email me a
cv at _databaseuk at aol.com_ (mailto:databaseuk at aol.com) 
 
John
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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Wed Aug 24 06:53:04 2005
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 12:53:04 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Change of circumstances
Message-ID: <20050824115301.A9E7624EEF6@smtp.nildram.co.uk>

Hi Roz
Don't have anything practical to add (you spotted the obvious one about
freelance work not readily fitting round personal timetables) but just
wanted to say good luck. What's the Masters in, and more intriguingly what's
the novel? Is it your first? Do you have a publisher? etc etc When can we
look to see Roz Clarke in Waterstones?

And I hope you'll be sticking around AccessD.

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Subject: [AccessD] Change of circumstances
Date: 24/08/05 10:52

Dear all

Like so many access-d members before me, I will shortly be giving up my day
job and looking for freelance work. The trouble is I don't want to work 24/7
- I am starting a masters degree this autumn, and writing a novel. But it
would be nice to keep my hand in with a bit of analysis &/or development
work, and of course the money would not go amiss.

Does anyone have any suggestions as to how I could do this?

I have 10 years experience with Access but I'm no guru, as you know. I've
extended into other Office apps a good deal, including Outlook. I have some
SQL dev skills and a smattering of SQL DBA knowledge. I'm getting into
ASP.NET. I'm a good analyst and I think I'm a decent team leader, (whatever
Tom says). My real strength is project management.

I'd like to work 2 days a week, but I appreciate that freelance work never
respects that kind of wish. :)

Any advice would be much appreciated

TIA

Roz







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From tom.bolton at donnslaw.co.uk  Wed Aug 24 07:01:08 2005
From: tom.bolton at donnslaw.co.uk (Tom Bolton)
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 13:01:08 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Change of circumstances
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"A Query Too Far" - Clarke, R.




*hides under desk*




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Sent: 24-Aug-2005 12:53
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Change of circumstances

Hi Roz
Don't have anything practical to add (you spotted the obvious one about
freelance work not readily fitting round personal timetables) but just
wanted to say good luck. What's the Masters in, and more intriguingly what's
the novel? Is it your first? Do you have a publisher? etc etc When can we
look to see Roz Clarke in Waterstones?

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From roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk  Wed Aug 24 07:13:34 2005
From: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk (Roz Clarke)
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 13:13:34 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Change of circumstances
Message-ID: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C8318807225F12@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>

Well remembered John, I will do

:)

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Sent: 24 August 2005 12:24
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Change of circumstances


Roz
 
I think your are in the Manchester, England area, if I'm right email me a
cv 
at _databaseuk at aol.com_ (mailto:databaseuk at aol.com) 
 
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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Wed Aug 24 07:13:11 2005
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 13:13:11 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Change of circumstances
Message-ID: <20050824121308.CA27124F43D@smtp.nildram.co.uk>

ROTFL

Oh God I'm really really tempted now, but it'll start something and as a
responsible moderator I'd have to tell myself to shut up. Darn.

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To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
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Subject: RE: [AccessD] Change of circumstances
Date: 24/08/05 12:00

"A Query Too Far" - Clarke, R.




*hides under desk*




-----Original Message-----
From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk]
Sent: 24-Aug-2005 12:53
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Change of circumstances

Hi Roz
Don't have anything practical to add (you spotted the obvious one about
freelance work not readily fitting round personal timetables) but just
wanted to say good luck. What's the Masters in, and more intriguingly what's
the novel? Is it your first? Do you have a publisher? etc etc When can we
look to see Roz Clarke in Waterstones?

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From roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk  Wed Aug 24 07:19:46 2005
From: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk (Roz Clarke)
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 13:19:46 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Change of circumstances
Message-ID: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C8318807225F13@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>

Hiya

Thank you for the good wishes. The masters is in Creative Writing and the
novel is one I started several years ago but have never found the time to
finish, it's about erm... I guess it's about the nobility of truth versus
the attractions of artifice. It's a very silly book really but I'm enjoying
working on it. No publisher yet; I need a second draft before I share with
anyone.

I will certainly stick around - can't imagine life without y'all - though I
might have to go to digest mode and resign my modship :(

Roz



-----Original Message-----
From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk] 
Sent: 24 August 2005 12:53
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Change of circumstances


Hi Roz
Don't have anything practical to add (you spotted the obvious one about
freelance work not readily fitting round personal timetables) but just
wanted to say good luck. What's the Masters in, and more intriguingly what's
the novel? Is it your first? Do you have a publisher? etc etc When can we
look to see Roz Clarke in Waterstones?

And I hope you'll be sticking around AccessD.

--
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http://www.minstersystems.co.uk


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From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: [AccessD] Change of circumstances
Date: 24/08/05 10:52

Dear all

Like so many access-d members before me, I will shortly be giving up my day
job and looking for freelance work. The trouble is I don't want to work 24/7
- I am starting a masters degree this autumn, and writing a novel. But it
would be nice to keep my hand in with a bit of analysis &/or development
work, and of course the money would not go amiss.

Does anyone have any suggestions as to how I could do this?

I have 10 years experience with Access but I'm no guru, as you know. I've
extended into other Office apps a good deal, including Outlook. I have some
SQL dev skills and a smattering of SQL DBA knowledge. I'm getting into
ASP.NET. I'm a good analyst and I think I'm a decent team leader, (whatever
Tom says). My real strength is project management.

I'd like to work 2 days a week, but I appreciate that freelance work never
respects that kind of wish. :)

Any advice would be much appreciated

TIA

Roz







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From roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk  Wed Aug 24 07:21:00 2005
From: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk (Roz Clarke)
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 13:21:00 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Change of circumstances
Message-ID: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C8318807225F14@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>

LMFAO

We can revisit the subject on Friday...

-----Original Message-----
From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk] 
Sent: 24 August 2005 13:13
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Change of circumstances


ROTFL

Oh God I'm really really tempted now, but it'll start something and as a
responsible moderator I'd have to tell myself to shut up. Darn.

--
Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk




--------- Original Message --------
From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Change of circumstances
Date: 24/08/05 12:00

"A Query Too Far" - Clarke, R.




*hides under desk*




-----Original Message-----
From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk]
Sent: 24-Aug-2005 12:53
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Change of circumstances

Hi Roz
Don't have anything practical to add (you spotted the obvious one about
freelance work not readily fitting round personal timetables) but just
wanted to say good luck. What's the Masters in, and more intriguingly what's
the novel? Is it your first? Do you have a publisher? etc etc When can we
look to see Roz Clarke in Waterstones?

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Aug 24 07:28:35 2005
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 08:28:35 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Change of circumstances
In-Reply-To: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C8318807225F13@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>
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What, no Roz tickling my back with her cat-0-nine?  Where will I get my
titillation?

John W. Colby
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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Roz Clarke
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 8:20 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Change of circumstances


Hiya

Thank you for the good wishes. The masters is in Creative Writing and the
novel is one I started several years ago but have never found the time to
finish, it's about erm... I guess it's about the nobility of truth versus
the attractions of artifice. It's a very silly book really but I'm enjoying
working on it. No publisher yet; I need a second draft before I share with
anyone.

I will certainly stick around - can't imagine life without y'all - though I
might have to go to digest mode and resign my modship :(

Roz



-----Original Message-----
From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk] 
Sent: 24 August 2005 12:53
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Change of circumstances


Hi Roz
Don't have anything practical to add (you spotted the obvious one about
freelance work not readily fitting round personal timetables) but just
wanted to say good luck. What's the Masters in, and more intriguingly what's
the novel? Is it your first? Do you have a publisher? etc etc When can we
look to see Roz Clarke in Waterstones?

And I hope you'll be sticking around AccessD.

--
Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk


--------- Original Message --------
From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: [AccessD] Change of circumstances
Date: 24/08/05 10:52

Dear all

Like so many access-d members before me, I will shortly be giving up my day
job and looking for freelance work. The trouble is I don't want to work 24/7
- I am starting a masters degree this autumn, and writing a novel. But it
would be nice to keep my hand in with a bit of analysis &/or development
work, and of course the money would not go amiss.

Does anyone have any suggestions as to how I could do this?

I have 10 years experience with Access but I'm no guru, as you know. I've
extended into other Office apps a good deal, including Outlook. I have some
SQL dev skills and a smattering of SQL DBA knowledge. I'm getting into
ASP.NET. I'm a good analyst and I think I'm a decent team leader, (whatever
Tom says). My real strength is project management.

I'd like to work 2 days a week, but I appreciate that freelance work never
respects that kind of wish. :)

Any advice would be much appreciated

TIA

Roz







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From roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk  Wed Aug 24 07:42:30 2005
From: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk (Roz Clarke)
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 13:42:30 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Change of circumstances
Message-ID: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C8318807225F17@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>

Well maybe I could rejoin the BOD, heheh.

I don't finish here until 14th October though, so for now... That's *quite*
enough from you Mr. Colby, this thread is getting dangerously off-topic!
Back to your reusable code, forthwith!

-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: 24 August 2005 13:29
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Change of circumstances


What, no Roz tickling my back with her cat-0-nine?  Where will I get my
titillation?

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Roz Clarke
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 8:20 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Change of circumstances


Hiya

Thank you for the good wishes. The masters is in Creative Writing and the
novel is one I started several years ago but have never found the time to
finish, it's about erm... I guess it's about the nobility of truth versus
the attractions of artifice. It's a very silly book really but I'm enjoying
working on it. No publisher yet; I need a second draft before I share with
anyone.

I will certainly stick around - can't imagine life without y'all - though I
might have to go to digest mode and resign my modship :(

Roz



-----Original Message-----
From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk] 
Sent: 24 August 2005 12:53
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Change of circumstances


Hi Roz
Don't have anything practical to add (you spotted the obvious one about
freelance work not readily fitting round personal timetables) but just
wanted to say good luck. What's the Masters in, and more intriguingly what's
the novel? Is it your first? Do you have a publisher? etc etc When can we
look to see Roz Clarke in Waterstones?

And I hope you'll be sticking around AccessD.

--
Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk


--------- Original Message --------
From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: [AccessD] Change of circumstances
Date: 24/08/05 10:52

Dear all

Like so many access-d members before me, I will shortly be giving up my day
job and looking for freelance work. The trouble is I don't want to work 24/7
- I am starting a masters degree this autumn, and writing a novel. But it
would be nice to keep my hand in with a bit of analysis &/or development
work, and of course the money would not go amiss.

Does anyone have any suggestions as to how I could do this?

I have 10 years experience with Access but I'm no guru, as you know. I've
extended into other Office apps a good deal, including Outlook. I have some
SQL dev skills and a smattering of SQL DBA knowledge. I'm getting into
ASP.NET. I'm a good analyst and I think I'm a decent team leader, (whatever
Tom says). My real strength is project management.

I'd like to work 2 days a week, but I appreciate that freelance work never
respects that kind of wish. :)

Any advice would be much appreciated

TIA

Roz







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From roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk  Wed Aug 24 07:50:31 2005
From: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk (Roz Clarke)
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 13:50:31 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] test
Message-ID: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C8318807225F18@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>

testing - not seeing my own mails to the list today
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Aug 24 07:49:37 2005
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 08:49:37 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Change of circumstances
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Ahhhhhh.... That velvet touch I do so love...  ;-)

And good luck in your future endeavors, although to be quite honest, the
book subject matter does not sound like it will make you the next female
billionaire to come out of England.  Or perhaps you just need good
marketing.

Anyway, don't be a stranger.

John W. Colby
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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Roz Clarke
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 8:43 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Change of circumstances


Well maybe I could rejoin the BOD, heheh.

I don't finish here until 14th October though, so for now... That's *quite*
enough from you Mr. Colby, this thread is getting dangerously off-topic!
Back to your reusable code, forthwith!

-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: 24 August 2005 13:29
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Change of circumstances


What, no Roz tickling my back with her cat-0-nine?  Where will I get my
titillation?

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Roz Clarke
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 8:20 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Change of circumstances


Hiya

Thank you for the good wishes. The masters is in Creative Writing and the
novel is one I started several years ago but have never found the time to
finish, it's about erm... I guess it's about the nobility of truth versus
the attractions of artifice. It's a very silly book really but I'm enjoying
working on it. No publisher yet; I need a second draft before I share with
anyone.

I will certainly stick around - can't imagine life without y'all - though I
might have to go to digest mode and resign my modship :(

Roz



-----Original Message-----
From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk] 
Sent: 24 August 2005 12:53
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Change of circumstances


Hi Roz
Don't have anything practical to add (you spotted the obvious one about
freelance work not readily fitting round personal timetables) but just
wanted to say good luck. What's the Masters in, and more intriguingly what's
the novel? Is it your first? Do you have a publisher? etc etc When can we
look to see Roz Clarke in Waterstones?

And I hope you'll be sticking around AccessD.

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To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: [AccessD] Change of circumstances
Date: 24/08/05 10:52

Dear all

Like so many access-d members before me, I will shortly be giving up my day
job and looking for freelance work. The trouble is I don't want to work 24/7
- I am starting a masters degree this autumn, and writing a novel. But it
would be nice to keep my hand in with a bit of analysis &/or development
work, and of course the money would not go amiss.

Does anyone have any suggestions as to how I could do this?

I have 10 years experience with Access but I'm no guru, as you know. I've
extended into other Office apps a good deal, including Outlook. I have some
SQL dev skills and a smattering of SQL DBA knowledge. I'm getting into
ASP.NET. I'm a good analyst and I think I'm a decent team leader, (whatever
Tom says). My real strength is project management.

I'd like to work 2 days a week, but I appreciate that freelance work never
respects that kind of wish. :)

Any advice would be much appreciated

TIA

Roz







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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Wed Aug 24 07:57:20 2005
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 13:57:20 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Change of circumstances
Message-ID: <20050824125717.54AE52A3686@smtp.nildram.co.uk>

Not exactly airport pulp fiction then eh? Ok, other discussions and
suggested titles on hold til Friday.

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To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Change of circumstances
Date: 24/08/05 12:19

Hiya

Thank you for the good wishes. The masters is in Creative Writing and the
novel is one I started several years ago but have never found the time to
finish, it's about erm... I guess it's about the nobility of truth versus
the attractions of artifice. It's a very silly book really but I'm enjoying
working on it. No publisher yet; I need a second draft before I share with
anyone.

I will certainly stick around - can't imagine life without y'all - though I
might have to go to digest mode and resign my modship :(

Roz



-----Original Message-----
From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk]
Sent: 24 August 2005 12:53
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Change of circumstances


Hi Roz
Don't have anything practical to add (you spotted the obvious one about
freelance work not readily fitting round personal timetables) but just
wanted to say good luck. What's the Masters in, and more intriguingly what's
the novel? Is it your first? Do you have a publisher? etc etc When can we
look to see Roz Clarke in Waterstones?

And I hope you'll be sticking around AccessD.

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<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: [AccessD] Change of circumstances
Date: 24/08/05 10:52

Dear all

Like so many access-d members before me, I will shortly be giving up my day
job and looking for freelance work. The trouble is I don't want to work 24/7
- I am starting a masters degree this autumn, and writing a novel. But it
would be nice to keep my hand in with a bit of analysis &/or development
work, and of course the money would not go amiss.

Does anyone have any suggestions as to how I could do this?

I have 10 years experience with Access but I'm no guru, as you know. I've
extended into other Office apps a good deal, including Outlook. I have some
SQL dev skills and a smattering of SQL DBA knowledge. I'm getting into
ASP.NET. I'm a good analyst and I think I'm a decent team leader, (whatever
Tom says). My real strength is project management.

I'd like to work 2 days a week, but I appreciate that freelance work never
respects that kind of wish. :)

Any advice would be much appreciated

TIA

Roz







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From john at winhaven.net  Wed Aug 24 08:25:42 2005
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 08:25:42 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] test
In-Reply-To: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C8318807225F18@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>
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passed 

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Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 7:51 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] test

testing - not seeing my own mails to the list today



From Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com  Wed Aug 24 08:31:39 2005
From: Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com (Hale, Jim)
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 08:31:39 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Change of circumstances
Message-ID: <6A6AA9DF57E4F046BDA1E273BDDB67723377AD@corp-es01.fleetpride.com>

Don't worry, I'll bet you're in the book :->
Good luck Roz!
Jim Hale

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Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 7:29 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Change of circumstances


What, no Roz tickling my back with her cat-0-nine?  Where will I get my
titillation?

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Roz Clarke
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 8:20 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Change of circumstances


Hiya

Thank you for the good wishes. The masters is in Creative Writing and the
novel is one I started several years ago but have never found the time to
finish, it's about erm... I guess it's about the nobility of truth versus
the attractions of artifice. It's a very silly book really but I'm enjoying
working on it. No publisher yet; I need a second draft before I share with
anyone.

I will certainly stick around - can't imagine life without y'all - though I
might have to go to digest mode and resign my modship :(

Roz



-----Original Message-----
From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk] 
Sent: 24 August 2005 12:53
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Change of circumstances


Hi Roz
Don't have anything practical to add (you spotted the obvious one about
freelance work not readily fitting round personal timetables) but just
wanted to say good luck. What's the Masters in, and more intriguingly what's
the novel? Is it your first? Do you have a publisher? etc etc When can we
look to see Roz Clarke in Waterstones?

And I hope you'll be sticking around AccessD.

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http://www.minstersystems.co.uk


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<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: [AccessD] Change of circumstances
Date: 24/08/05 10:52

Dear all

Like so many access-d members before me, I will shortly be giving up my day
job and looking for freelance work. The trouble is I don't want to work 24/7
- I am starting a masters degree this autumn, and writing a novel. But it
would be nice to keep my hand in with a bit of analysis &/or development
work, and of course the money would not go amiss.

Does anyone have any suggestions as to how I could do this?

I have 10 years experience with Access but I'm no guru, as you know. I've
extended into other Office apps a good deal, including Outlook. I have some
SQL dev skills and a smattering of SQL DBA knowledge. I'm getting into
ASP.NET. I'm a good analyst and I think I'm a decent team leader, (whatever
Tom says). My real strength is project management.

I'd like to work 2 days a week, but I appreciate that freelance work never
respects that kind of wish. :)

Any advice would be much appreciated

TIA

Roz







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From roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk  Wed Aug 24 08:33:29 2005
From: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk (Roz Clarke)
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 14:33:29 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] test
Message-ID: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C8318807225F1B@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>

Still didn't get my own email - and I have checked my list settings - but it
could be something at this end.

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: 24 August 2005 14:26
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] test


passed 

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From john at winhaven.net  Wed Aug 24 09:02:31 2005
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 09:02:31 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] test
In-Reply-To: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C8318807225F1B@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>
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Just a thought, check your spam filter folders (sometimes ISPs do this and
don't inform people). Lately when I send messages with test as a subject
they get filtered.

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Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 8:33 AM
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Subject: RE: [AccessD] test

Still didn't get my own email - and I have checked my list settings - but it
could be something at this end.

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Sent: 24 August 2005 14:26
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] test


passed 

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From iggy at nanaimo.ark.com  Wed Aug 24 09:20:31 2005
From: iggy at nanaimo.ark.com (Tony Septav)
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 07:20:31 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] TreeView A97
Message-ID: <430C822F.4040705@nanaimo.ark.com>

Hey All
I am updating an old project.
Does anyone know how to turn off the navigation keys (PgUp,PgDn, Up/Down 
arrow etc.) in a treeview. I have tried On Key Down  Keycode=0 for both 
the form and control, but it doesn't seem to have any effect.

Thanks

Tony Septav
Nanaimo, BC


From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Wed Aug 24 10:03:34 2005
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (DWUTKA at marlow.com)
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 10:03:34 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Change of circumstances
Message-ID: <123701F54509D9119A4F00D0B747349016DE34@main2.marlow.com>

You could always join OT, just to keep in touch...of course...I would make
sure you are fully prepared to do so.  OT is not for the faint of heart! ;)

Good luck on the novel by the way.  On occasion I get side jobs that I just
don't have time for.  Are you keeping the address below?  If so, I'll keep
you on my list of 'pass it on'.  Haven't had anything in months, but since I
am now salaried at my full time job, I have less time for side stuff.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk]
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 7:20 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Change of circumstances


Hiya

Thank you for the good wishes. The masters is in Creative Writing and the
novel is one I started several years ago but have never found the time to
finish, it's about erm... I guess it's about the nobility of truth versus
the attractions of artifice. It's a very silly book really but I'm enjoying
working on it. No publisher yet; I need a second draft before I share with
anyone.

I will certainly stick around - can't imagine life without y'all - though I
might have to go to digest mode and resign my modship :(

Roz



-----Original Message-----
From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk] 
Sent: 24 August 2005 12:53
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Change of circumstances


Hi Roz
Don't have anything practical to add (you spotted the obvious one about
freelance work not readily fitting round personal timetables) but just
wanted to say good luck. What's the Masters in, and more intriguingly what's
the novel? Is it your first? Do you have a publisher? etc etc When can we
look to see Roz Clarke in Waterstones?

And I hope you'll be sticking around AccessD.

--
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http://www.minstersystems.co.uk


--------- Original Message --------
From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: [AccessD] Change of circumstances
Date: 24/08/05 10:52

Dear all

Like so many access-d members before me, I will shortly be giving up my day
job and looking for freelance work. The trouble is I don't want to work 24/7
- I am starting a masters degree this autumn, and writing a novel. But it
would be nice to keep my hand in with a bit of analysis &/or development
work, and of course the money would not go amiss.

Does anyone have any suggestions as to how I could do this?

I have 10 years experience with Access but I'm no guru, as you know. I've
extended into other Office apps a good deal, including Outlook. I have some
SQL dev skills and a smattering of SQL DBA knowledge. I'm getting into
ASP.NET. I'm a good analyst and I think I'm a decent team leader, (whatever
Tom says). My real strength is project management.

I'd like to work 2 days a week, but I appreciate that freelance work never
respects that kind of wish. :)

Any advice would be much appreciated

TIA

Roz







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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Wed Aug 24 10:14:57 2005
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (DWUTKA at marlow.com)
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 10:14:57 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Change of circumstances
Message-ID: <123701F54509D9119A4F00D0B747349016DE37@main2.marlow.com>

<cough>

Um....I'm speechless.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 7:29 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Change of circumstances


What, no Roz tickling my back with her cat-0-nine?  Where will I get my
titillation?

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Roz Clarke
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 8:20 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Change of circumstances


Hiya

Thank you for the good wishes. The masters is in Creative Writing and the
novel is one I started several years ago but have never found the time to
finish, it's about erm... I guess it's about the nobility of truth versus
the attractions of artifice. It's a very silly book really but I'm enjoying
working on it. No publisher yet; I need a second draft before I share with
anyone.

I will certainly stick around - can't imagine life without y'all - though I
might have to go to digest mode and resign my modship :(

Roz



-----Original Message-----
From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk] 
Sent: 24 August 2005 12:53
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Change of circumstances


Hi Roz
Don't have anything practical to add (you spotted the obvious one about
freelance work not readily fitting round personal timetables) but just
wanted to say good luck. What's the Masters in, and more intriguingly what's
the novel? Is it your first? Do you have a publisher? etc etc When can we
look to see Roz Clarke in Waterstones?

And I hope you'll be sticking around AccessD.

--
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http://www.minstersystems.co.uk


--------- Original Message --------
From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: [AccessD] Change of circumstances
Date: 24/08/05 10:52

Dear all

Like so many access-d members before me, I will shortly be giving up my day
job and looking for freelance work. The trouble is I don't want to work 24/7
- I am starting a masters degree this autumn, and writing a novel. But it
would be nice to keep my hand in with a bit of analysis &/or development
work, and of course the money would not go amiss.

Does anyone have any suggestions as to how I could do this?

I have 10 years experience with Access but I'm no guru, as you know. I've
extended into other Office apps a good deal, including Outlook. I have some
SQL dev skills and a smattering of SQL DBA knowledge. I'm getting into
ASP.NET. I'm a good analyst and I think I'm a decent team leader, (whatever
Tom says). My real strength is project management.

I'd like to work 2 days a week, but I appreciate that freelance work never
respects that kind of wish. :)

Any advice would be much appreciated

TIA

Roz







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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Wed Aug 24 10:15:29 2005
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (DWUTKA at marlow.com)
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 10:15:29 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Change of circumstances
Message-ID: <123701F54509D9119A4F00D0B747349016DE38@main2.marlow.com>

Did anyone else hear the crack of a whip after reading this post? ;)

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk]
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 7:43 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Change of circumstances


Well maybe I could rejoin the BOD, heheh.

I don't finish here until 14th October though, so for now... That's *quite*
enough from you Mr. Colby, this thread is getting dangerously off-topic!
Back to your reusable code, forthwith!

-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: 24 August 2005 13:29
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Change of circumstances


What, no Roz tickling my back with her cat-0-nine?  Where will I get my
titillation?

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Roz Clarke
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 8:20 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Change of circumstances


Hiya

Thank you for the good wishes. The masters is in Creative Writing and the
novel is one I started several years ago but have never found the time to
finish, it's about erm... I guess it's about the nobility of truth versus
the attractions of artifice. It's a very silly book really but I'm enjoying
working on it. No publisher yet; I need a second draft before I share with
anyone.

I will certainly stick around - can't imagine life without y'all - though I
might have to go to digest mode and resign my modship :(

Roz



-----Original Message-----
From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk] 
Sent: 24 August 2005 12:53
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Change of circumstances


Hi Roz
Don't have anything practical to add (you spotted the obvious one about
freelance work not readily fitting round personal timetables) but just
wanted to say good luck. What's the Masters in, and more intriguingly what's
the novel? Is it your first? Do you have a publisher? etc etc When can we
look to see Roz Clarke in Waterstones?

And I hope you'll be sticking around AccessD.

--
Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk


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From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: [AccessD] Change of circumstances
Date: 24/08/05 10:52

Dear all

Like so many access-d members before me, I will shortly be giving up my day
job and looking for freelance work. The trouble is I don't want to work 24/7
- I am starting a masters degree this autumn, and writing a novel. But it
would be nice to keep my hand in with a bit of analysis &/or development
work, and of course the money would not go amiss.

Does anyone have any suggestions as to how I could do this?

I have 10 years experience with Access but I'm no guru, as you know. I've
extended into other Office apps a good deal, including Outlook. I have some
SQL dev skills and a smattering of SQL DBA knowledge. I'm getting into
ASP.NET. I'm a good analyst and I think I'm a decent team leader, (whatever
Tom says). My real strength is project management.

I'd like to work 2 days a week, but I appreciate that freelance work never
respects that kind of wish. :)

Any advice would be much appreciated

TIA

Roz







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From roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk  Wed Aug 24 10:23:04 2005
From: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk (Roz Clarke)
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 16:23:04 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Change of circumstances
Message-ID: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C8318807225F23@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>

I've tried OT. I wouldn't say I'm faint hearted, but I think I lasted about
a fortnight.

I won't get to keep this address. I'll be using zora_db at yahoo.com. Thanks
for the offer, it's much appreciated.

-----Original Message-----
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com] 
Sent: 24 August 2005 16:04
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Change of circumstances


You could always join OT, just to keep in touch...of course...I would make
sure you are fully prepared to do so.  OT is not for the faint of heart! ;)

Good luck on the novel by the way.  On occasion I get side jobs that I just
don't have time for.  Are you keeping the address below?  If so, I'll keep
you on my list of 'pass it on'.  Haven't had anything in months, but since I
am now salaried at my full time job, I have less time for side stuff.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk]
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 7:20 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Change of circumstances


Hiya

Thank you for the good wishes. The masters is in Creative Writing and the
novel is one I started several years ago but have never found the time to
finish, it's about erm... I guess it's about the nobility of truth versus
the attractions of artifice. It's a very silly book really but I'm enjoying
working on it. No publisher yet; I need a second draft before I share with
anyone.

I will certainly stick around - can't imagine life without y'all - though I
might have to go to digest mode and resign my modship :(

Roz



-----Original Message-----
From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk] 
Sent: 24 August 2005 12:53
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Change of circumstances


Hi Roz
Don't have anything practical to add (you spotted the obvious one about
freelance work not readily fitting round personal timetables) but just
wanted to say good luck. What's the Masters in, and more intriguingly what's
the novel? Is it your first? Do you have a publisher? etc etc When can we
look to see Roz Clarke in Waterstones?

And I hope you'll be sticking around AccessD.

--
Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk


--------- Original Message --------
From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: [AccessD] Change of circumstances
Date: 24/08/05 10:52

Dear all

Like so many access-d members before me, I will shortly be giving up my day
job and looking for freelance work. The trouble is I don't want to work 24/7
- I am starting a masters degree this autumn, and writing a novel. But it
would be nice to keep my hand in with a bit of analysis &/or development
work, and of course the money would not go amiss.

Does anyone have any suggestions as to how I could do this?

I have 10 years experience with Access but I'm no guru, as you know. I've
extended into other Office apps a good deal, including Outlook. I have some
SQL dev skills and a smattering of SQL DBA knowledge. I'm getting into
ASP.NET. I'm a good analyst and I think I'm a decent team leader, (whatever
Tom says). My real strength is project management.

I'd like to work 2 days a week, but I appreciate that freelance work never
respects that kind of wish. :)

Any advice would be much appreciated

TIA

Roz







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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Aug 24 10:42:14 2005
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 11:42:14 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Change of circumstances
In-Reply-To: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C8318807225F23@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>
Message-ID: <011a01c5a8c2$665fbfc0$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

Roz,

If you are tired of the "new email address" dance, may I recommend going to
1and1.com and buying their email only package.  You select an unused domain
(I found jwcolby still available - and took it) which you will have to pay
$5 to maintain.  Then for 99c / month you get up to 5 pop email accounts,
and up to 1gb storage for those accounts.  I thought that $17 / year was a
pretty good price for a domain and 5 permanent email addresses with lots of
storage.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Roz Clarke
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 11:23 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Change of circumstances


I've tried OT. I wouldn't say I'm faint hearted, but I think I lasted about
a fortnight.

I won't get to keep this address. I'll be using zora_db at yahoo.com. Thanks
for the offer, it's much appreciated.

-----Original Message-----
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com] 
Sent: 24 August 2005 16:04
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Change of circumstances


You could always join OT, just to keep in touch...of course...I would make
sure you are fully prepared to do so.  OT is not for the faint of heart! ;)

Good luck on the novel by the way.  On occasion I get side jobs that I just
don't have time for.  Are you keeping the address below?  If so, I'll keep
you on my list of 'pass it on'.  Haven't had anything in months, but since I
am now salaried at my full time job, I have less time for side stuff.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk]
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 7:20 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Change of circumstances


Hiya

Thank you for the good wishes. The masters is in Creative Writing and the
novel is one I started several years ago but have never found the time to
finish, it's about erm... I guess it's about the nobility of truth versus
the attractions of artifice. It's a very silly book really but I'm enjoying
working on it. No publisher yet; I need a second draft before I share with
anyone.

I will certainly stick around - can't imagine life without y'all - though I
might have to go to digest mode and resign my modship :(

Roz



-----Original Message-----
From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk] 
Sent: 24 August 2005 12:53
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Change of circumstances


Hi Roz
Don't have anything practical to add (you spotted the obvious one about
freelance work not readily fitting round personal timetables) but just
wanted to say good luck. What's the Masters in, and more intriguingly what's
the novel? Is it your first? Do you have a publisher? etc etc When can we
look to see Roz Clarke in Waterstones?

And I hope you'll be sticking around AccessD.

--
Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk


--------- Original Message --------
From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: [AccessD] Change of circumstances
Date: 24/08/05 10:52

Dear all

Like so many access-d members before me, I will shortly be giving up my day
job and looking for freelance work. The trouble is I don't want to work 24/7
- I am starting a masters degree this autumn, and writing a novel. But it
would be nice to keep my hand in with a bit of analysis &/or development
work, and of course the money would not go amiss.

Does anyone have any suggestions as to how I could do this?

I have 10 years experience with Access but I'm no guru, as you know. I've
extended into other Office apps a good deal, including Outlook. I have some
SQL dev skills and a smattering of SQL DBA knowledge. I'm getting into
ASP.NET. I'm a good analyst and I think I'm a decent team leader, (whatever
Tom says). My real strength is project management.

I'd like to work 2 days a week, but I appreciate that freelance work never
respects that kind of wish. :)

Any advice would be much appreciated

TIA

Roz







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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Aug 24 10:43:25 2005
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 11:43:25 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Change of circumstances
In-Reply-To: <123701F54509D9119A4F00D0B747349016DE38@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <011b01c5a8c2$90d2e7f0$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

And it felt sooooo good.  ;-)

It's a darned good thing Roz has a sense of humor. <grin>

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of DWUTKA at marlow.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 11:15 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Change of circumstances


Did anyone else hear the crack of a whip after reading this post? ;)

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk]
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 7:43 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Change of circumstances


Well maybe I could rejoin the BOD, heheh.

I don't finish here until 14th October though, so for now... That's *quite*
enough from you Mr. Colby, this thread is getting dangerously off-topic!
Back to your reusable code, forthwith!

-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: 24 August 2005 13:29
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Change of circumstances


What, no Roz tickling my back with her cat-0-nine?  Where will I get my
titillation?

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Roz Clarke
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 8:20 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Change of circumstances


Hiya

Thank you for the good wishes. The masters is in Creative Writing and the
novel is one I started several years ago but have never found the time to
finish, it's about erm... I guess it's about the nobility of truth versus
the attractions of artifice. It's a very silly book really but I'm enjoying
working on it. No publisher yet; I need a second draft before I share with
anyone.

I will certainly stick around - can't imagine life without y'all - though I
might have to go to digest mode and resign my modship :(

Roz



-----Original Message-----
From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk] 
Sent: 24 August 2005 12:53
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Change of circumstances


Hi Roz
Don't have anything practical to add (you spotted the obvious one about
freelance work not readily fitting round personal timetables) but just
wanted to say good luck. What's the Masters in, and more intriguingly what's
the novel? Is it your first? Do you have a publisher? etc etc When can we
look to see Roz Clarke in Waterstones?

And I hope you'll be sticking around AccessD.

--
Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk


--------- Original Message --------
From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: [AccessD] Change of circumstances
Date: 24/08/05 10:52

Dear all

Like so many access-d members before me, I will shortly be giving up my day
job and looking for freelance work. The trouble is I don't want to work 24/7
- I am starting a masters degree this autumn, and writing a novel. But it
would be nice to keep my hand in with a bit of analysis &/or development
work, and of course the money would not go amiss.

Does anyone have any suggestions as to how I could do this?

I have 10 years experience with Access but I'm no guru, as you know. I've
extended into other Office apps a good deal, including Outlook. I have some
SQL dev skills and a smattering of SQL DBA knowledge. I'm getting into
ASP.NET. I'm a good analyst and I think I'm a decent team leader, (whatever
Tom says). My real strength is project management.

I'd like to work 2 days a week, but I appreciate that freelance work never
respects that kind of wish. :)

Any advice would be much appreciated

TIA

Roz







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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Wed Aug 24 10:42:01 2005
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (DWUTKA at marlow.com)
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 10:42:01 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Change of circumstances
Message-ID: <123701F54509D9119A4F00D0B747349016DE3B@main2.marlow.com>

LOL, OT can scare some people away.  You have to stick to it for a week or
so, and have some thick skin. ;)

I put your email address in my address book.  I'll let you know if anything
comes my way.  I put in the notes on the contact that you do Access and
ASP.NET.  Anything else?  (VB, normal ASP, etc?)

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk]
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 10:23 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Change of circumstances


I've tried OT. I wouldn't say I'm faint hearted, but I think I lasted about
a fortnight.

I won't get to keep this address. I'll be using zora_db at yahoo.com. Thanks
for the offer, it's much appreciated.

-----Original Message-----
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com] 
Sent: 24 August 2005 16:04
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Change of circumstances


You could always join OT, just to keep in touch...of course...I would make
sure you are fully prepared to do so.  OT is not for the faint of heart! ;)

Good luck on the novel by the way.  On occasion I get side jobs that I just
don't have time for.  Are you keeping the address below?  If so, I'll keep
you on my list of 'pass it on'.  Haven't had anything in months, but since I
am now salaried at my full time job, I have less time for side stuff.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk]
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 7:20 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Change of circumstances


Hiya

Thank you for the good wishes. The masters is in Creative Writing and the
novel is one I started several years ago but have never found the time to
finish, it's about erm... I guess it's about the nobility of truth versus
the attractions of artifice. It's a very silly book really but I'm enjoying
working on it. No publisher yet; I need a second draft before I share with
anyone.

I will certainly stick around - can't imagine life without y'all - though I
might have to go to digest mode and resign my modship :(

Roz



-----Original Message-----
From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk] 
Sent: 24 August 2005 12:53
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Change of circumstances


Hi Roz
Don't have anything practical to add (you spotted the obvious one about
freelance work not readily fitting round personal timetables) but just
wanted to say good luck. What's the Masters in, and more intriguingly what's
the novel? Is it your first? Do you have a publisher? etc etc When can we
look to see Roz Clarke in Waterstones?

And I hope you'll be sticking around AccessD.

--
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http://www.minstersystems.co.uk


--------- Original Message --------
From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: [AccessD] Change of circumstances
Date: 24/08/05 10:52

Dear all

Like so many access-d members before me, I will shortly be giving up my day
job and looking for freelance work. The trouble is I don't want to work 24/7
- I am starting a masters degree this autumn, and writing a novel. But it
would be nice to keep my hand in with a bit of analysis &/or development
work, and of course the money would not go amiss.

Does anyone have any suggestions as to how I could do this?

I have 10 years experience with Access but I'm no guru, as you know. I've
extended into other Office apps a good deal, including Outlook. I have some
SQL dev skills and a smattering of SQL DBA knowledge. I'm getting into
ASP.NET. I'm a good analyst and I think I'm a decent team leader, (whatever
Tom says). My real strength is project management.

I'd like to work 2 days a week, but I appreciate that freelance work never
respects that kind of wish. :)

Any advice would be much appreciated

TIA

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From Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com  Wed Aug 24 10:51:52 2005
From: Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com (Hale, Jim)
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 10:51:52 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] SQL to count delimiters in a string
Message-ID: <6A6AA9DF57E4F046BDA1E273BDDB67723377AE@corp-es01.fleetpride.com>

Assume I have a text field in a table. Further assume that the text strings
are delimited by the pipe character "|". I want to know how many pipe
characters occur in each field, ie. the select statement should return:

fldText                         Occurrences
test|ddd|ww|ex                3
fff|sss                             1
eenie|meenie|minie|moe   3

What is the correct SQL to produce the desired result? TIA
Jim Hale

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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Wed Aug 24 10:52:18 2005
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (DWUTKA at marlow.com)
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 10:52:18 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Change of circumstances
Message-ID: <123701F54509D9119A4F00D0B747349016DE3F@main2.marlow.com>

I hear the whip coming again, you are a glutton for punishment JC, that is
why you are Darth Vader, eh?

Drew

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Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 10:43 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Change of circumstances


And it felt sooooo good.  ;-)

It's a darned good thing Roz has a sense of humor. <grin>

John W. Colby
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Did anyone else hear the crack of a whip after reading this post? ;)

Drew

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From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk]
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 7:43 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Change of circumstances


Well maybe I could rejoin the BOD, heheh.

I don't finish here until 14th October though, so for now... That's *quite*
enough from you Mr. Colby, this thread is getting dangerously off-topic!
Back to your reusable code, forthwith!

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Sent: 24 August 2005 13:29
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Change of circumstances


What, no Roz tickling my back with her cat-0-nine?  Where will I get my
titillation?

John W. Colby
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Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 8:20 AM
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Subject: RE: [AccessD] Change of circumstances


Hiya

Thank you for the good wishes. The masters is in Creative Writing and the
novel is one I started several years ago but have never found the time to
finish, it's about erm... I guess it's about the nobility of truth versus
the attractions of artifice. It's a very silly book really but I'm enjoying
working on it. No publisher yet; I need a second draft before I share with
anyone.

I will certainly stick around - can't imagine life without y'all - though I
might have to go to digest mode and resign my modship :(

Roz



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Sent: 24 August 2005 12:53
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Change of circumstances


Hi Roz
Don't have anything practical to add (you spotted the obvious one about
freelance work not readily fitting round personal timetables) but just
wanted to say good luck. What's the Masters in, and more intriguingly what's
the novel? Is it your first? Do you have a publisher? etc etc When can we
look to see Roz Clarke in Waterstones?

And I hope you'll be sticking around AccessD.

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Subject: [AccessD] Change of circumstances
Date: 24/08/05 10:52

Dear all

Like so many access-d members before me, I will shortly be giving up my day
job and looking for freelance work. The trouble is I don't want to work 24/7
- I am starting a masters degree this autumn, and writing a novel. But it
would be nice to keep my hand in with a bit of analysis &/or development
work, and of course the money would not go amiss.

Does anyone have any suggestions as to how I could do this?

I have 10 years experience with Access but I'm no guru, as you know. I've
extended into other Office apps a good deal, including Outlook. I have some
SQL dev skills and a smattering of SQL DBA knowledge. I'm getting into
ASP.NET. I'm a good analyst and I think I'm a decent team leader, (whatever
Tom says). My real strength is project management.

I'd like to work 2 days a week, but I appreciate that freelance work never
respects that kind of wish. :)

Any advice would be much appreciated

TIA

Roz







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From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Aug 24 12:20:10 2005
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 10:20:10 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] test
In-Reply-To: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C8318807225F1B@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>
Message-ID: <0ILQ00A4LLHLFB@l-daemon>

Hi Roz:

Check, your company they might have started removing a 'past' employee from
the email accounts a tad early. :-) 

Jim 
PS Great move; so what is the working title of new book?

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Roz Clarke
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 6:33 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] test

Still didn't get my own email - and I have checked my list settings - but it
could be something at this end.

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Sent: 24 August 2005 14:26
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] test


passed 

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Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 7:51 AM
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Subject: [AccessD] test

testing - not seeing my own mails to the list today

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From John.Clark at niagaracounty.com  Wed Aug 24 12:36:14 2005
From: John.Clark at niagaracounty.com (John Clark)
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 13:36:14 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Logic issue
Message-ID: <s30c7846.084@nebnov3.niagaracounty.com>

Hi all

I am having trouble working out how I want to go about something, and I
am hoping somebody here can give me a nudge. It doesn't sound difficult,
but I'm running into dead-ends. I am starting to think that I will just
have to go ahead and finish up with "whatever" and work around things.

I am doing a project for a district attorney's office, and it will
basically just keep tabs on everybody that passes through the system.
The problem is though that there are "Defendants", defense lawyers,
prosecuting lawyers, judges, and victims, and it isn't rare for a single
person to cross into multiple lists. And, theoretically, it is possible
to be in all lists. For instance there are many prosecuting lawyers that
become defense attorneys, and it is not unlikely that one of these
attorneys could be a judge in the future. That scenario is very
possible, and you can add it that a lawyer is very able to be a victim,
and hell, we all know they can be criminals ;) Another scenario that
happens very frequently, is that a person is both a defendant and a
victim. 

I don't want the person entering data to scroll through hundreds, and
eventually thousands, of names to pick an attorney's name from among the
list of everybody else in the system.

The idea I am working on presently is to add logical fields for each
designation to the table of names. For instances:

kNameID
txtLastName
txtFirstName
txtMI
txtSuffix
logAttorney
logADA
logJudge
logVictim
logDefendant

If I do this, I will have removed some fields that are currently there,
such as:

txtAddress1
txtAddress2
txtCity
txtSt
txtZip
txtPhone

And, I will put these in another linked table. There may be a need to
have multiple addresses for the defendants, so this would be best I
think.

The problem that I am foreseeing here...I'm not at that point, so my
fears could be unfounded...is setting these fields to true and/or false,
as needed.  Basically, thinking of victims for a minute here, the
defendant screen, which will actually be an "Indictment" screen, will
have a subform to hold potentially many victims for the indictment. If a
victim IS already in the system as something else, I will need to tag
that name as a victim and I'm wondering if this will present
difficulties.

Well, I hope I am being clear enough. If anyone out there has any tips
for me, I would greatly appreciate it if you would pass them along.

Thank you!

John W Clark


From ssharkins at bellsouth.net  Wed Aug 24 12:43:21 2005
From: ssharkins at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 13:43:21 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Logic issue
In-Reply-To: <s30c7846.084@nebnov3.niagaracounty.com>
Message-ID: <20050824174329.GHHT21411.ibm70aec.bellsouth.net@SUSANONE>

 
logAttorney
logADA
logJudge
logVictim
logDefendant

========What kind of values are these? If they're simply descriptive, you
might consider 

kNameID
Status

Where you can have as many records as necessary to identify kNameID as
Attorny, ADA, Judge, etc... 

Susan H. 



From DElam at jenkens.com  Wed Aug 24 12:47:03 2005
From: DElam at jenkens.com (Elam, Debbie)
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 12:47:03 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Logic issue
Message-ID: <7B1961ED924D1A459E378C9B1BB22B4C0492CCD8@natexch.jenkens.com>

I would actually have a table of people that includes everyone.  Second, a
table of trials.  Link those two with a third table that has the trialID,
personID and an ID indicating what role they had in the trial.  Given the
cross connections and likely possibility of multiple people in one role for
a trial, this is the only scalable solution.

Debbie

-----Original Message-----
From: John Clark [mailto:John.Clark at niagaracounty.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 12:36 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Logic issue


Hi all

I am having trouble working out how I want to go about something, and I
am hoping somebody here can give me a nudge. It doesn't sound difficult,
but I'm running into dead-ends. I am starting to think that I will just
have to go ahead and finish up with "whatever" and work around things.

I am doing a project for a district attorney's office, and it will
basically just keep tabs on everybody that passes through the system.
The problem is though that there are "Defendants", defense lawyers,
prosecuting lawyers, judges, and victims, and it isn't rare for a single
person to cross into multiple lists. And, theoretically, it is possible
to be in all lists. For instance there are many prosecuting lawyers that
become defense attorneys, and it is not unlikely that one of these
attorneys could be a judge in the future. That scenario is very
possible, and you can add it that a lawyer is very able to be a victim,
and hell, we all know they can be criminals ;) Another scenario that
happens very frequently, is that a person is both a defendant and a
victim. 

I don't want the person entering data to scroll through hundreds, and
eventually thousands, of names to pick an attorney's name from among the
list of everybody else in the system.

The idea I am working on presently is to add logical fields for each
designation to the table of names. For instances:

kNameID
txtLastName
txtFirstName
txtMI
txtSuffix
logAttorney
logADA
logJudge
logVictim
logDefendant

If I do this, I will have removed some fields that are currently there,
such as:

txtAddress1
txtAddress2
txtCity
txtSt
txtZip
txtPhone

And, I will put these in another linked table. There may be a need to
have multiple addresses for the defendants, so this would be best I
think.

The problem that I am foreseeing here...I'm not at that point, so my
fears could be unfounded...is setting these fields to true and/or false,
as needed.  Basically, thinking of victims for a minute here, the
defendant screen, which will actually be an "Indictment" screen, will
have a subform to hold potentially many victims for the indictment. If a
victim IS already in the system as something else, I will need to tag
that name as a victim and I'm wondering if this will present
difficulties.

Well, I hope I am being clear enough. If anyone out there has any tips
for me, I would greatly appreciate it if you would pass them along.

Thank you!

John W Clark
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From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com  Wed Aug 24 12:32:20 2005
From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 13:32:20 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] SQL to count delimiters in a string
Message-ID: <1D7828CDB8350747AFE9D69E0E90DA1F14EA3F42@xlivmbx21.aig.com>

Yu need to use a VBA Function to do that, which you would call from the
query. Here's an example...

Function CountDelimiters(strSource As String, strDelim As String) As Long
Dim nCount As Long
Dim nPos As Long
    nPos = InStr(strSource, strDelim)
    While nPos > 0
        nCount = nCount + 1
        nPos = InStr(nPos + Len(strDelim), strSource, strDelim)
    Wend
    CountDelimiters = nCount
End Function

Lambert

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Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 11:52 AM
To: 'Accessd (E-mail)
Subject: [AccessD] SQL to count delimiters in a string


Assume I have a text field in a table. Further assume that the text strings
are delimited by the pipe character "|". I want to know how many pipe
characters occur in each field, ie. the select statement should return:

fldText                         Occurrences
test|ddd|ww|ex                3
fff|sss                             1
eenie|meenie|minie|moe   3

What is the correct SQL to produce the desired result? TIA
Jim Hale

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From prosoft6 at hotmail.com  Wed Aug 24 12:51:24 2005
From: prosoft6 at hotmail.com (Julie Reardon-Taylor)
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 13:51:24 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Logic issue
In-Reply-To: <s30c7846.084@nebnov3.niagaracounty.com>
Message-ID: <BAY104-F120CF1444E7FF6CA854D309AA80@phx.gbl>

John,

Have you thought about using an associative table, where the many to many 
problems are conquered?  What does the rest of the list think about 
associative tables?



Julie Reardon-Taylor
PRO-SOFT OF NY, INC.
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Watertown, NY 13601
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From adtp at touchtelindia.net  Wed Aug 24 12:58:01 2005
From: adtp at touchtelindia.net (A.D.Tejpal)
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 23:28:01 +0530
Subject: [AccessD] SQL to count delimiters in a string
References: <6A6AA9DF57E4F046BDA1E273BDDB67723377AE@corp-es01.fleetpride.com >
Message-ID: <01dc01c5a8d5$9c230b90$451865cb@winxp>

Jim,

    Sample query given below should get you the count of specified delimiter in field named fldText. T_Data is the name of table.

    It makes use of function Fn_CountDelimiters() given below.

Best wishes,
A.D.Tejpal
--------------

Select Query
(Count of specified delimiter in field fldText) 
=================================
SELECT T_Data.fldText, Fn_CountDelimiters([fldText],"|") AS Occurences  FROM T_Data;
=================================

User-Defined Function
(Count of specified delimiter (TxtDelimiter) 
  in a given string (TxtMain))
=================================
Function Fn_CountDelimiters(ByVal TxtMain _
                                As String, ByVal TxtDelimiter _
                                As String) As Long
    Fn_CountDelimiters = UBound(Split(TxtMain, TxtDelimiter))
End Function
=================================

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Hale, Jim 
  To: 'Accessd (E-mail) 
  Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 21:21
  Subject: [AccessD] SQL to count delimiters in a string


  Assume I have a text field in a table. Further assume that the text strings are delimited by the pipe character "|". I want to know how many pipe characters occur in each field, ie. the select statement should return:

  fldText                         Occurrences
  test|ddd|ww|ex                3
  fff|sss                             1
  eenie|meenie|minie|moe   3

  What is the correct SQL to produce the desired result? TIA

  Jim Hale


From John.Clark at niagaracounty.com  Wed Aug 24 13:03:24 2005
From: John.Clark at niagaracounty.com (John Clark)
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 14:03:24 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Logic issue
Message-ID: <s30c7e7c.044@nebnov3.niagaracounty.com>

I'm not sure what you mean

>>> prosoft6 at hotmail.com 8/24/2005 1:51 PM >>>
John,

Have you thought about using an associative table, where the many to
many 
problems are conquered?  What does the rest of the list think about 
associative tables?



Julie Reardon-Taylor
PRO-SOFT OF NY, INC.
44 Public Square Suite #5
Watertown, NY 13601
Phone/Fax: (315) 785-0319
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From John.Clark at niagaracounty.com  Wed Aug 24 13:05:48 2005
From: John.Clark at niagaracounty.com (John Clark)
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 14:05:48 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Logic issue
Message-ID: <s30c7ef4.050@nebnov3.niagaracounty.com>

They are sort of just descriptive designations, however they will be
useful later in the program. For instance, if they are entering a
victims name into the db, they would like to know if this victim was
also a defendant for something.

And, I will be giving them drop downs that contain lawyers, judges,
etc. that will be based on these fields.

>>> ssharkins at bellsouth.net 8/24/2005 1:43 PM >>>
 
logAttorney
logADA
logJudge
logVictim
logDefendant

========What kind of values are these? If they're simply descriptive,
you
might consider 

kNameID
Status

Where you can have as many records as necessary to identify kNameID as
Attorny, ADA, Judge, etc... 

Susan H. 

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From John.Clark at niagaracounty.com  Wed Aug 24 13:12:36 2005
From: John.Clark at niagaracounty.com (John Clark)
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 14:12:36 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Logic issue
Message-ID: <s30c80da.061@nebnov3.niagaracounty.com>

It isn't really based on trials though. It is based on indictment
numbers, and these may or may not go to court...a defendant could plea
out before it hits trial, or charges could be dropped. I think we are on
the same page though, except it seems like you would pull all from this
table, which I would too, but I want to filter it for certain lists
(i.e. I don't want a thousand names showing up when I want to basically
choose from three judges). I don't mind including all names when adding
defendants, because it is probably necessary.

>>> DElam at jenkens.com 8/24/2005 1:47 PM >>>
I would actually have a table of people that includes everyone. 
Second, a
table of trials.  Link those two with a third table that has the
trialID,
personID and an ID indicating what role they had in the trial.  Given
the
cross connections and likely possibility of multiple people in one role
for
a trial, this is the only scalable solution.

Debbie

-----Original Message-----
From: John Clark [mailto:John.Clark at niagaracounty.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 12:36 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: [AccessD] Logic issue


Hi all

I am having trouble working out how I want to go about something, and
I
am hoping somebody here can give me a nudge. It doesn't sound
difficult,
but I'm running into dead-ends. I am starting to think that I will
just
have to go ahead and finish up with "whatever" and work around things.

I am doing a project for a district attorney's office, and it will
basically just keep tabs on everybody that passes through the system.
The problem is though that there are "Defendants", defense lawyers,
prosecuting lawyers, judges, and victims, and it isn't rare for a
single
person to cross into multiple lists. And, theoretically, it is
possible
to be in all lists. For instance there are many prosecuting lawyers
that
become defense attorneys, and it is not unlikely that one of these
attorneys could be a judge in the future. That scenario is very
possible, and you can add it that a lawyer is very able to be a
victim,
and hell, we all know they can be criminals ;) Another scenario that
happens very frequently, is that a person is both a defendant and a
victim. 

I don't want the person entering data to scroll through hundreds, and
eventually thousands, of names to pick an attorney's name from among
the
list of everybody else in the system.

The idea I am working on presently is to add logical fields for each
designation to the table of names. For instances:

kNameID
txtLastName
txtFirstName
txtMI
txtSuffix
logAttorney
logADA
logJudge
logVictim
logDefendant

If I do this, I will have removed some fields that are currently
there,
such as:

txtAddress1
txtAddress2
txtCity
txtSt
txtZip
txtPhone

And, I will put these in another linked table. There may be a need to
have multiple addresses for the defendants, so this would be best I
think.

The problem that I am foreseeing here...I'm not at that point, so my
fears could be unfounded...is setting these fields to true and/or
false,
as needed.  Basically, thinking of victims for a minute here, the
defendant screen, which will actually be an "Indictment" screen, will
have a subform to hold potentially many victims for the indictment. If
a
victim IS already in the system as something else, I will need to tag
that name as a victim and I'm wondering if this will present
difficulties.

Well, I hope I am being clear enough. If anyone out there has any tips
for me, I would greatly appreciate it if you would pass them along.

Thank you!

John W Clark
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From Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com  Wed Aug 24 13:14:56 2005
From: Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com (Hale, Jim)
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 13:14:56 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] SQL to count delimiters in a string
Message-ID: <6A6AA9DF57E4F046BDA1E273BDDB67723377B2@corp-es01.fleetpride.com>

Thank you
Jim Hale

-----Original Message-----
From: A.D.Tejpal [mailto:adtp at touchtelindia.net]
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 12:58 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] SQL to count delimiters in a string


Jim,

    Sample query given below should get you the count of specified delimiter
in field named fldText. T_Data is the name of table.

    It makes use of function Fn_CountDelimiters() given below.

Best wishes,
A.D.Tejpal
--------------

Select Query
(Count of specified delimiter in field fldText) 
=================================
SELECT T_Data.fldText, Fn_CountDelimiters([fldText],"|") AS Occurences  FROM
T_Data;
=================================

User-Defined Function
(Count of specified delimiter (TxtDelimiter) 
  in a given string (TxtMain))
=================================
Function Fn_CountDelimiters(ByVal TxtMain _
                                As String, ByVal TxtDelimiter _
                                As String) As Long
    Fn_CountDelimiters = UBound(Split(TxtMain, TxtDelimiter))
End Function
=================================

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  From: Hale, Jim 
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  Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 21:21
  Subject: [AccessD] SQL to count delimiters in a string


  Assume I have a text field in a table. Further assume that the text
strings are delimited by the pipe character "|". I want to know how many
pipe characters occur in each field, ie. the select statement should return:

  fldText                         Occurrences
  test|ddd|ww|ex                3
  fff|sss                             1
  eenie|meenie|minie|moe   3

  What is the correct SQL to produce the desired result? TIA

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From shamil at users.mns.ru  Wed Aug 24 13:19:36 2005
From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 22:19:36 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] SQL to count delimiters in a string
References: <1D7828CDB8350747AFE9D69E0E90DA1F14EA3F42@xlivmbx21.aig.com>
Message-ID: <002e01c5a8d8$6626d370$6501a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru>

Jim,

It can be done in one line - so it should be possible to do it in MS Access
SQL I think.

Inline test in immediate window:

?IIf(Len("Just|a|test") > 0, UBound(Split("Just|a|test", "|")), 0)
2

One of the possible solutions as VBA function (lines wrapped
this tricky way to let this code copy from this message and to paste
it into VBA module and compile it without errors):

Public Function CountDelimiters( _
                               ByVal vstrSource As String, _
                               ByVal vstrDelimiter As String) As Long
    CountDelimiters = IIf(Len(vstrSource) > 0, _
                                    UBound(Split(vstrSource, _
                                    vstrDelimiter)), 0)
End Function

HTH,
Shamil

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strings
> are delimited by the pipe character "|". I want to know how many pipe
> characters occur in each field, ie. the select statement should return:
>
> fldText                         Occurrences
> test|ddd|ww|ex                3
> fff|sss                             1
> eenie|meenie|minie|moe   3
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From Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com  Wed Aug 24 13:16:09 2005
From: Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com (Hale, Jim)
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 13:16:09 -0500
Subject: FW: [AccessD] SQL to count delimiters in a string
Message-ID: <6A6AA9DF57E4F046BDA1E273BDDB67723377B3@corp-es01.fleetpride.com>

This looks interesting. I'll give it a try, thanks
Jim Hale

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From: catchrest at denverdb.com [mailto:catchrest at denverdb.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 11:25 AM
To: Jim.Hale at fleetpride.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] SQL to count delimiters in a string


Jim,

Please feel free to post this to the group, my webmail does not work with
the 
proper Reply To Settings.  This SQl will get you what you want, I would 
convert it to a Function, but here's the code:


DECLARE @str	VarChar(500)
DECLARE @x INT
DECLARE @Count INT

SET @str = 'st|ddd|ww|ex 3 fff|sss 1 eenie|meenie|minie|moe 3'

SET @x = CharIndex('|', @str,  1)
SET @Count = 0
WHILE @x <> 0
BEGIN
	SET @Count = @Count + 1
	SET @str = SubString(@str, @x + 1, 500)
	SET @x = CharIndex('|', @str)
END

PRINT @Count

-- Chris Mackin
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> Assume I have a text field in a table. Further assume 
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> are delimited by the pipe chara
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> characters occ
> ur in each field, ie. the select statement should retu
> rn:
> 
> fldText                         Occurrences
> te
> st|ddd|ww|ex                3
> fff|sss                
>              1
> eenie|meenie|minie|moe   3
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> What is 
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From DElam at jenkens.com  Wed Aug 24 13:20:07 2005
From: DElam at jenkens.com (Elam, Debbie)
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 13:20:07 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Logic issue
Message-ID: <7B1961ED924D1A459E378C9B1BB22B4C0492CCD9@natexch.jenkens.com>

Hmm, to get a smaller list you may need to have a field in person with their
"default" role.  As long as you allow for getting a larger list, this could
work nicely.

Debbie

-----Original Message-----
From: John Clark [mailto:John.Clark at niagaracounty.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 1:13 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Logic issue


It isn't really based on trials though. It is based on indictment
numbers, and these may or may not go to court...a defendant could plea
out before it hits trial, or charges could be dropped. I think we are on
the same page though, except it seems like you would pull all from this
table, which I would too, but I want to filter it for certain lists
(i.e. I don't want a thousand names showing up when I want to basically
choose from three judges). I don't mind including all names when adding
defendants, because it is probably necessary.

>>> DElam at jenkens.com 8/24/2005 1:47 PM >>>
I would actually have a table of people that includes everyone. 
Second, a
table of trials.  Link those two with a third table that has the
trialID,
personID and an ID indicating what role they had in the trial.  Given
the
cross connections and likely possibility of multiple people in one role
for
a trial, this is the only scalable solution.

Debbie

-----Original Message-----
From: John Clark [mailto:John.Clark at niagaracounty.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 12:36 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: [AccessD] Logic issue


Hi all

I am having trouble working out how I want to go about something, and
I
am hoping somebody here can give me a nudge. It doesn't sound
difficult,
but I'm running into dead-ends. I am starting to think that I will
just
have to go ahead and finish up with "whatever" and work around things.

I am doing a project for a district attorney's office, and it will
basically just keep tabs on everybody that passes through the system.
The problem is though that there are "Defendants", defense lawyers,
prosecuting lawyers, judges, and victims, and it isn't rare for a
single
person to cross into multiple lists. And, theoretically, it is
possible
to be in all lists. For instance there are many prosecuting lawyers
that
become defense attorneys, and it is not unlikely that one of these
attorneys could be a judge in the future. That scenario is very
possible, and you can add it that a lawyer is very able to be a
victim,
and hell, we all know they can be criminals ;) Another scenario that
happens very frequently, is that a person is both a defendant and a
victim. 

I don't want the person entering data to scroll through hundreds, and
eventually thousands, of names to pick an attorney's name from among
the
list of everybody else in the system.

The idea I am working on presently is to add logical fields for each
designation to the table of names. For instances:

kNameID
txtLastName
txtFirstName
txtMI
txtSuffix
logAttorney
logADA
logJudge
logVictim
logDefendant

If I do this, I will have removed some fields that are currently
there,
such as:

txtAddress1
txtAddress2
txtCity
txtSt
txtZip
txtPhone

And, I will put these in another linked table. There may be a need to
have multiple addresses for the defendants, so this would be best I
think.

The problem that I am foreseeing here...I'm not at that point, so my
fears could be unfounded...is setting these fields to true and/or
false,
as needed.  Basically, thinking of victims for a minute here, the
defendant screen, which will actually be an "Indictment" screen, will
have a subform to hold potentially many victims for the indictment. If
a
victim IS already in the system as something else, I will need to tag
that name as a victim and I'm wondering if this will present
difficulties.

Well, I hope I am being clear enough. If anyone out there has any tips
for me, I would greatly appreciate it if you would pass them along.

Thank you!

John W Clark
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Wed Aug 24 13:15:37 2005
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (DWUTKA at marlow.com)
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 13:15:37 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Logic issue
Message-ID: <123701F54509D9119A4F00D0B747349016DE55@main2.marlow.com>

I think you need to have a 'people' table.  Whether a person is a judge,
lawyer, defendant should be determined by relationships to the tables
relating to those designations.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John Clark [mailto:John.Clark at niagaracounty.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 12:36 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Logic issue


Hi all

I am having trouble working out how I want to go about something, and I
am hoping somebody here can give me a nudge. It doesn't sound difficult,
but I'm running into dead-ends. I am starting to think that I will just
have to go ahead and finish up with "whatever" and work around things.

I am doing a project for a district attorney's office, and it will
basically just keep tabs on everybody that passes through the system.
The problem is though that there are "Defendants", defense lawyers,
prosecuting lawyers, judges, and victims, and it isn't rare for a single
person to cross into multiple lists. And, theoretically, it is possible
to be in all lists. For instance there are many prosecuting lawyers that
become defense attorneys, and it is not unlikely that one of these
attorneys could be a judge in the future. That scenario is very
possible, and you can add it that a lawyer is very able to be a victim,
and hell, we all know they can be criminals ;) Another scenario that
happens very frequently, is that a person is both a defendant and a
victim. 

I don't want the person entering data to scroll through hundreds, and
eventually thousands, of names to pick an attorney's name from among the
list of everybody else in the system.

The idea I am working on presently is to add logical fields for each
designation to the table of names. For instances:

kNameID
txtLastName
txtFirstName
txtMI
txtSuffix
logAttorney
logADA
logJudge
logVictim
logDefendant

If I do this, I will have removed some fields that are currently there,
such as:

txtAddress1
txtAddress2
txtCity
txtSt
txtZip
txtPhone

And, I will put these in another linked table. There may be a need to
have multiple addresses for the defendants, so this would be best I
think.

The problem that I am foreseeing here...I'm not at that point, so my
fears could be unfounded...is setting these fields to true and/or false,
as needed.  Basically, thinking of victims for a minute here, the
defendant screen, which will actually be an "Indictment" screen, will
have a subform to hold potentially many victims for the indictment. If a
victim IS already in the system as something else, I will need to tag
that name as a victim and I'm wondering if this will present
difficulties.

Well, I hope I am being clear enough. If anyone out there has any tips
for me, I would greatly appreciate it if you would pass them along.

Thank you!

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From John.Clark at niagaracounty.com  Wed Aug 24 13:50:23 2005
From: John.Clark at niagaracounty.com (John Clark)
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 14:50:23 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Logic issue
Message-ID: <s30c896f.003@nebnov3.niagaracounty.com>

Well, I don't know if they so much need a "default" role. I've got to
enter the name in at some point, and I guess at that time they could get
their initial designation...maybe even automatically, dependant on where
I call it from.

Since writing my initial "cry for help," I've been experimenting with a
"names" table (close to a person table Drew) that has the fields I
mentioned. I then made a query for each logical field, which I would
probably make a single sql statement for if I go this way, to test it
out. It works pretty well and gives me proper results. Now I've just got
to experiment w/getting data in...believe it or not I don't use
recordsets very much and I think that is what I'll need to do here.

I've gotta leave here soon for the night and take my kids to music
lessons, but I'll be hitting it again tomorrow AM.

>>> DElam at jenkens.com 8/24/2005 2:20 PM >>>
Hmm, to get a smaller list you may need to have a field in person with
their
"default" role.  As long as you allow for getting a larger list, this
could
work nicely.

Debbie

-----Original Message-----
From: John Clark [mailto:John.Clark at niagaracounty.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 1:13 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Logic issue


It isn't really based on trials though. It is based on indictment
numbers, and these may or may not go to court...a defendant could plea
out before it hits trial, or charges could be dropped. I think we are
on
the same page though, except it seems like you would pull all from
this
table, which I would too, but I want to filter it for certain lists
(i.e. I don't want a thousand names showing up when I want to
basically
choose from three judges). I don't mind including all names when
adding
defendants, because it is probably necessary.

>>> DElam at jenkens.com 8/24/2005 1:47 PM >>>
I would actually have a table of people that includes everyone. 
Second, a
table of trials.  Link those two with a third table that has the
trialID,
personID and an ID indicating what role they had in the trial.  Given
the
cross connections and likely possibility of multiple people in one
role
for
a trial, this is the only scalable solution.

Debbie

-----Original Message-----
From: John Clark [mailto:John.Clark at niagaracounty.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 12:36 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: [AccessD] Logic issue


Hi all

I am having trouble working out how I want to go about something, and
I
am hoping somebody here can give me a nudge. It doesn't sound
difficult,
but I'm running into dead-ends. I am starting to think that I will
just
have to go ahead and finish up with "whatever" and work around things.

I am doing a project for a district attorney's office, and it will
basically just keep tabs on everybody that passes through the system.
The problem is though that there are "Defendants", defense lawyers,
prosecuting lawyers, judges, and victims, and it isn't rare for a
single
person to cross into multiple lists. And, theoretically, it is
possible
to be in all lists. For instance there are many prosecuting lawyers
that
become defense attorneys, and it is not unlikely that one of these
attorneys could be a judge in the future. That scenario is very
possible, and you can add it that a lawyer is very able to be a
victim,
and hell, we all know they can be criminals ;) Another scenario that
happens very frequently, is that a person is both a defendant and a
victim. 

I don't want the person entering data to scroll through hundreds, and
eventually thousands, of names to pick an attorney's name from among
the
list of everybody else in the system.

The idea I am working on presently is to add logical fields for each
designation to the table of names. For instances:

kNameID
txtLastName
txtFirstName
txtMI
txtSuffix
logAttorney
logADA
logJudge
logVictim
logDefendant

If I do this, I will have removed some fields that are currently
there,
such as:

txtAddress1
txtAddress2
txtCity
txtSt
txtZip
txtPhone

And, I will put these in another linked table. There may be a need to
have multiple addresses for the defendants, so this would be best I
think.

The problem that I am foreseeing here...I'm not at that point, so my
fears could be unfounded...is setting these fields to true and/or
false,
as needed.  Basically, thinking of victims for a minute here, the
defendant screen, which will actually be an "Indictment" screen, will
have a subform to hold potentially many victims for the indictment. If
a
victim IS already in the system as something else, I will need to tag
that name as a victim and I'm wondering if this will present
difficulties.

Well, I hope I am being clear enough. If anyone out there has any tips
for me, I would greatly appreciate it if you would pass them along.

Thank you!

John W Clark
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed Aug 24 15:00:41 2005
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 13:00:41 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Logic issue
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86873BEF@infoserver01.infostat.local>

An associative table is also called a join table.  It contains one
record for each combination of keys that occurs in a many to many
relationship.  So if you have a tblPeople and a tblIndictments, you
could have a tblPeopleIndictments that would contain a record for each
occuring people-indictment combination.

Charlotte Foust


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From: John Clark [mailto:John.Clark at niagaracounty.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 11:03 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Logic issue


I'm not sure what you mean

>>> prosoft6 at hotmail.com 8/24/2005 1:51 PM >>>
John,

Have you thought about using an associative table, where the many to
many 
problems are conquered?  What does the rest of the list think about 
associative tables?



Julie Reardon-Taylor
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From dejpolsys at hotmail.com  Wed Aug 24 15:31:39 2005
From: dejpolsys at hotmail.com (William Hindman)
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 16:31:39 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Logic issue
References: <s30c80da.061@nebnov3.niagaracounty.com>
Message-ID: <BAY103-DAV10BD9D9093219CC3B6E34EAEA80@phx.gbl>

..list filters ...your opening form becomes a text box and a list to select 
from ...you open the form with no recordset ...you user types the first two 
characters of the last name in the text box ...the change event capture the 
2nd letter entry, appends an asterisk to it and requeries the list box using 
the XX* as your SQL recordset filter ...as the list box fills the user can 
either select from it to open a new form using opening arguments ...or they 
can continue adding letters to the text box and the list box requeries each 
time with a shorter and shorter list to select from.

..I use this approach in most of my mdbs where there are thousands of names 
to select from but I don't want to pull them all across the network.

..it sounds complicated but once setup, it works like a charm ...I usually 
place an option group at the top that defaults to what people are commonly 
looking for but allows them to filter on other sets if needed.

..the table design ...normalization says if its not unique it belongs in a 
separate table ...we all try but fall short ...but if the focus of the mdb 
is indictments then you start there ...and you keep it simple ...an INDICTID 
AN and a type field ...then the entity table ...not names or people because 
companies and orgs get charged as well as people ...so an ENTID AN and a 
type ...individual or company or organization, etc. and any other fields 
that would be unique ...and then an address table, and a "role" type table.

..then you create a join table with the INDICTID and ENTID and add a role 
type ID and start and end dates.

..the join table weds the Indictment with the Entity and the role they 
played in the indictment process with dates ...thus if an Entity changes 
roles during the indictment process, you can capture the change and display 
it in a tabbed subform without a lot of hassle.

..this is off the top of my head of course but I've built more than a few 
on that basic structure ...hth :)

William

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To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 2:12 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Logic issue


> It isn't really based on trials though. It is based on indictment
> numbers, and these may or may not go to court...a defendant could plea
> out before it hits trial, or charges could be dropped. I think we are on
> the same page though, except it seems like you would pull all from this
> table, which I would too, but I want to filter it for certain lists
> (i.e. I don't want a thousand names showing up when I want to basically
> choose from three judges). I don't mind including all names when adding
> defendants, because it is probably necessary.
>
>>>> DElam at jenkens.com 8/24/2005 1:47 PM >>>
> I would actually have a table of people that includes everyone.
> Second, a
> table of trials.  Link those two with a third table that has the
> trialID,
> personID and an ID indicating what role they had in the trial.  Given
> the
> cross connections and likely possibility of multiple people in one role
> for
> a trial, this is the only scalable solution.
>
> Debbie
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Clark [mailto:John.Clark at niagaracounty.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 12:36 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Logic issue
>
>
> Hi all
>
> I am having trouble working out how I want to go about something, and
> I
> am hoping somebody here can give me a nudge. It doesn't sound
> difficult,
> but I'm running into dead-ends. I am starting to think that I will
> just
> have to go ahead and finish up with "whatever" and work around things.
>
> I am doing a project for a district attorney's office, and it will
> basically just keep tabs on everybody that passes through the system.
> The problem is though that there are "Defendants", defense lawyers,
> prosecuting lawyers, judges, and victims, and it isn't rare for a
> single
> person to cross into multiple lists. And, theoretically, it is
> possible
> to be in all lists. For instance there are many prosecuting lawyers
> that
> become defense attorneys, and it is not unlikely that one of these
> attorneys could be a judge in the future. That scenario is very
> possible, and you can add it that a lawyer is very able to be a
> victim,
> and hell, we all know they can be criminals ;) Another scenario that
> happens very frequently, is that a person is both a defendant and a
> victim.
>
> I don't want the person entering data to scroll through hundreds, and
> eventually thousands, of names to pick an attorney's name from among
> the
> list of everybody else in the system.
>
> The idea I am working on presently is to add logical fields for each
> designation to the table of names. For instances:
>
> kNameID
> txtLastName
> txtFirstName
> txtMI
> txtSuffix
> logAttorney
> logADA
> logJudge
> logVictim
> logDefendant
>
> If I do this, I will have removed some fields that are currently
> there,
> such as:
>
> txtAddress1
> txtAddress2
> txtCity
> txtSt
> txtZip
> txtPhone
>
> And, I will put these in another linked table. There may be a need to
> have multiple addresses for the defendants, so this would be best I
> think.
>
> The problem that I am foreseeing here...I'm not at that point, so my
> fears could be unfounded...is setting these fields to true and/or
> false,
> as needed.  Basically, thinking of victims for a minute here, the
> defendant screen, which will actually be an "Indictment" screen, will
> have a subform to hold potentially many victims for the indictment. If
> a
> victim IS already in the system as something else, I will need to tag
> that name as a victim and I'm wondering if this will present
> difficulties.
>
> Well, I hope I am being clear enough. If anyone out there has any tips
> for me, I would greatly appreciate it if you would pass them along.
>
> Thank you!
>
> John W Clark
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From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com  Wed Aug 24 15:36:22 2005
From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester)
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 15:36:22 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Do While Loop Problem
Message-ID: <F1DD538AE6BCE74EBE562DE51564D322FAC7B0@houexch1.kindermorgan.com>

The following code generates a no current record error on the do while
line. I thought it should exit the do loop when EOF = false was reached.
Thanks.

 

Do While myds.Fields(2) < myds5.Fields(2) Or myds.EOF = True

            'some lines of code

            myds.MoveNext

 Loop

 

Chester Kaup

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Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP

Office (432) 688-3797

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed Aug 24 15:48:55 2005
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 13:48:55 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Do While Loop Problem
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86873BF0@infoserver01.infostat.local>

The problem is that it tries to evalute the first conditon before it
checks for EOF.  Try this instead:

Do While myds.EOF = false
	If myds.Fields(2) < myds5.Fields(2) Then

            'some lines of code
	End If

      myds.MoveNext
 Loop

 

Charlotte


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Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 1:36 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Do While Loop Problem


The following code generates a no current record error on the do while
line. I thought it should exit the do loop when EOF = false was reached.
Thanks.

 

Do While myds.Fields(2) < myds5.Fields(2) Or myds.EOF = True

            'some lines of code

            myds.MoveNext

 Loop

 

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From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com  Wed Aug 24 15:49:33 2005
From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 16:49:33 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Do While Loop Problem
Message-ID: <1D7828CDB8350747AFE9D69E0E90DA1F14EA4034@xlivmbx21.aig.com>

When you hit EOF the expression myds.Fields(2) cannot be evaluated. You need
two distinct tests...

Do While Not myds.EOF
	If myds.Fields(2) < myds5.Fields(2)

            'some lines of code
	End If
     myds.MoveNext
Loop


Now if access had 'short circuit' conditional testing you could have
written...

Do While Not myds.EOF And myds.Fields(2) < myds5.Fields(2)

...which would have exited the loop when the EOF condition failed, and
before the other test was done. But alas you can't. Access does checks all
the conditions, even if the first one would terminate the loop.

Lambert

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Subject: [AccessD] Do While Loop Problem


The following code generates a no current record error on the do while line.
I thought it should exit the do loop when EOF = false was reached. Thanks.

 

Do While myds.Fields(2) < myds5.Fields(2) Or myds.EOF = True

            'some lines of code

            myds.MoveNext

 Loop

 

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From pharold at proftesting.com  Wed Aug 24 15:53:02 2005
From: pharold at proftesting.com (Perry L Harold)
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 16:53:02 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Do While Loop Problem
Message-ID: <00F5FCB4F80FDB4EB03FBAAEAD97CEAD0A955D@EXCHANGE.ptiorl.local>

If myds.eof = true can't movenext ?

Perry Harold

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Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 4:36 PM
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Subject: [AccessD] Do While Loop Problem

The following code generates a no current record error on the do while
line. I thought it should exit the do loop when EOF = false was reached.
Thanks.

 

Do While myds.Fields(2) < myds5.Fields(2) Or myds.EOF = True

            'some lines of code

            myds.MoveNext

 Loop

 

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From frank at fhsservices.co.uk  Wed Aug 24 16:21:59 2005
From: frank at fhsservices.co.uk (Frank Hill)
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 22:21:59 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Logic issue
In-Reply-To: <s30c7846.084@nebnov3.niagaracounty.com>
Message-ID: <20050824212808.97DB113C6BD@smtp-node1.griffin.com>

Here's a different solution!
If you have a checkbox for each title or position that can be applicable to
each person represented through the database then, on the client form of any
of people the list the checkboxes will indicate positives for the applicable
option.
So, Jack Jones can have the boxes ticked for Defence attorney, prosecuting
attorney, Judge etc. etc. The final checkbox (no 9 on my sample) can be set
to "Other" and have an associated textbox in the table which will only be
displayed it no 9 is ticked and the text will be entered into the open,
blank textbox for storage and later retrieval.
The trick here is to combine the bit value of each checkbox to obtain a
unique value for the combination of boxes ticked.
I have a small database of the principle as a working example which I can
forward to anybody who would like to see it.
The AccessD list is limited to a 30K unit size and will not allow me to
attach the sample to this text

Kind regards,
 
Frank Hill

Kind regards,
 
Frank Hill

 

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Clark
Sent: 24 August 2005 18:36
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Logic issue

Hi all

I am having trouble working out how I want to go about something, and I
am hoping somebody here can give me a nudge. It doesn't sound difficult,
but I'm running into dead-ends. I am starting to think that I will just
have to go ahead and finish up with "whatever" and work around things.

I am doing a project for a district attorney's office, and it will
basically just keep tabs on everybody that passes through the system.
The problem is though that there are "Defendants", defense lawyers,
prosecuting lawyers, judges, and victims, and it isn't rare for a single
person to cross into multiple lists. And, theoretically, it is possible
to be in all lists. For instance there are many prosecuting lawyers that
become defense attorneys, and it is not unlikely that one of these
attorneys could be a judge in the future. That scenario is very
possible, and you can add it that a lawyer is very able to be a victim,
and hell, we all know they can be criminals ;) Another scenario that
happens very frequently, is that a person is both a defendant and a
victim. 

I don't want the person entering data to scroll through hundreds, and
eventually thousands, of names to pick an attorney's name from among the
list of everybody else in the system.

The idea I am working on presently is to add logical fields for each
designation to the table of names. For instances:

kNameID
txtLastName
txtFirstName
txtMI
txtSuffix
logAttorney
logADA
logJudge
logVictim
logDefendant

If I do this, I will have removed some fields that are currently there,
such as:

txtAddress1
txtAddress2
txtCity
txtSt
txtZip
txtPhone

And, I will put these in another linked table. There may be a need to
have multiple addresses for the defendants, so this would be best I
think.

The problem that I am foreseeing here...I'm not at that point, so my
fears could be unfounded...is setting these fields to true and/or false,
as needed.  Basically, thinking of victims for a minute here, the
defendant screen, which will actually be an "Indictment" screen, will
have a subform to hold potentially many victims for the indictment. If a
victim IS already in the system as something else, I will need to tag
that name as a victim and I'm wondering if this will present
difficulties.

Well, I hope I am being clear enough. If anyone out there has any tips
for me, I would greatly appreciate it if you would pass them along.

Thank you!

John W Clark
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Aug 24 16:29:36 2005
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 17:29:36 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Control codes to a printer
Message-ID: <014701c5a8f2$ed496790$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

I need to send a series of hex characters to an Epson receipt printer to
execute the cutting.  Hex characters are 1d 56 42 20  The printer is TCP/IP
so I have an IP address stored in a table and hidden in a form that is open
when the print command is executed.  This is a Win98 environment.  Does
anyone already have something similar.

John W. Colby
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From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com  Wed Aug 24 16:30:30 2005
From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester)
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 16:30:30 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Do While Loop Problem
Message-ID: <F1DD538AE6BCE74EBE562DE51564D322FAC7D2@houexch1.kindermorgan.com>

Thanks all!

-----Original Message-----
From: Heenan, Lambert [mailto:Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 3:50 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Cc: Kaup, Chester
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Do While Loop Problem

When you hit EOF the expression myds.Fields(2) cannot be evaluated. You
need
two distinct tests...

Do While Not myds.EOF
	If myds.Fields(2) < myds5.Fields(2)

            'some lines of code
	End If
     myds.MoveNext
Loop


Now if access had 'short circuit' conditional testing you could have
written...

Do While Not myds.EOF And myds.Fields(2) < myds5.Fields(2)

...which would have exited the loop when the EOF condition failed, and
before the other test was done. But alas you can't. Access does checks
all
the conditions, even if the first one would terminate the loop.

Lambert

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 4:36 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Do While Loop Problem


The following code generates a no current record error on the do while
line.
I thought it should exit the do loop when EOF = false was reached.
Thanks.

 

Do While myds.Fields(2) < myds5.Fields(2) Or myds.EOF = True

            'some lines of code

            myds.MoveNext

 Loop

 

Chester Kaup

Engineering Technician

Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP

Office (432) 688-3797

FAX (432) 688-3799

 

 

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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Wed Aug 24 12:16:52 2005
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 10:16:52 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Change of circumstances
References: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C8318807225F12@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>
Message-ID: <430CAB84.2020505@shaw.ca>

One thing to check out is the split day's type of jobs, especially in 
the civil service
In other words you get a partner and one works 2 days, the other 3 days.
My sisterinlaw did this in her government department in Alberta so 
people could attend university.
during the day. She is in charge of HR. Wouldn't work for engineers they 
have 40 class hours a week,
but arts generally have less then 20 hours. Now she is getting request 
from women with autistic kids etc.
She calls the programmers doing this extreme programmers with some lag.
The participants set up there own internal blog to keep track of what is 
happening.

Roz Clarke wrote:

>Well remembered John, I will do
>
>:)
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Johncliviger at aol.com [mailto:Johncliviger at aol.com] 
>Sent: 24 August 2005 12:24
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Change of circumstances
>
>
>Roz
> 
>I think your are in the Manchester, England area, if I'm right email me a
>cv 
>at _databaseuk at aol.com_ (mailto:databaseuk at aol.com) 
> 
>John
>  
>
>  
>
>  
>

-- 
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Victoria, B.C.
Canada





From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Wed Aug 24 19:46:18 2005
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 10:46:18 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Control codes to a printer
In-Reply-To: <014701c5a8f2$ed496790$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <430DA17A.277.2AB9E68@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

On 24 Aug 2005 at 17:29, John W. Colby wrote:

> I need to send a series of hex characters to an Epson receipt printer to
> execute the cutting.  Hex characters are 1d 56 42 20  The printer is TCP/IP
> so I have an IP address stored in a table and hidden in a form that is open
> when the print command is executed.  This is a Win98 environment.  Does
> anyone already have something similar.
> 

What happens if you open the port and print to it, something like:

OPEN "IP:010.010.010.010" FOR OUTPUT AS  #1
PRINT #1, CHR$(&H1D);CHR$(&H56),CHR$(&H42);CHR$(&H20)
CLOSE #1



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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Aug 24 22:23:01 2005
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 23:23:01 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Building SQL statement
Message-ID: <015101c5a924$4f937db0$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

I'm attempting to build a SQL statement to append data into a record.  One
of the fields is text, including (possibly) any valid text including ' - for
example in contractions such as "aren't" etc.

My SQL statement is building up a statement in the format:

            lstrSQL = "INSERT INTO WebNewsItem ( WebNewsSourceID, Link,
Title, ArticleDescription ) " & _
                        "SELECT " & webNewsSourceID & " AS WebNewsSourceID,
'" & link & "' AS Link, '" & title & "' AS Title, '" & description & "' AS
ArticleDescription;"

The problem is that description can contain the ' character and thus I end
up with an invalid SQL statement since the ' embedded in description "looks
like" the ' that is supposed to enclose the text.

I can't for the life of me remember how I am supposed to handle this.

I could punt and open a recordset, create a new record, and place the data
directly into the field, which I may end up doing but I sure would prefer to
just do the "append query" thing.  It is (was) much simpler.

John W. Colby
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Wed Aug 24 22:30:07 2005
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 13:30:07 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Building SQL statement
In-Reply-To: <015101c5a924$4f937db0$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <430DC7DF.564.341991F@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

On 24 Aug 2005 at 23:23, John W. Colby wrote:

> 
> The problem is that description can contain the ' character and thus I end
> up with an invalid SQL statement since the ' embedded in description "looks
> like" the ' that is supposed to enclose the text.
> 
> I can't for the life of me remember how I am supposed to handle this.
> 

Description = Replace(Description,"'","''")

That's a single quote between double quotes as the second parameter and two 
single quotes between double quotes as the third parameter.

Double up the single quote "escapes" it in the input string

-- 
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Aug 24 22:43:23 2005
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 23:43:23 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Building SQL statement
In-Reply-To: <430DC7DF.564.341991F@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <015201c5a927$2960de00$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

So I have to search the input string looking for all single quote '
characters and replace it with two single quote characters ''?  I was afraid
of that.

John W. Colby
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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 11:30 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Building SQL statement


On 24 Aug 2005 at 23:23, John W. Colby wrote:

> 
> The problem is that description can contain the ' character and thus I 
> end up with an invalid SQL statement since the ' embedded in 
> description "looks like" the ' that is supposed to enclose the text.
> 
> I can't for the life of me remember how I am supposed to handle this.
> 

Description = Replace(Description,"'","''")

That's a single quote between double quotes as the second parameter and two 
single quotes between double quotes as the third parameter.

Double up the single quote "escapes" it in the input string

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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Aug 25 00:13:14 2005
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 15:13:14 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Building SQL statement
In-Reply-To: <015201c5a927$2960de00$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>
References: <430DC7DF.564.341991F@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <430DE00A.690.39FFEF4@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

On 24 Aug 2005 at 23:43, John W. Colby wrote:

> So I have to search the input string looking for all single quote '
> characters and replace it with two single quote characters ''?  I was afraid
> of that.
> 

No, you don't have to look for them all. Just use the Replace() function on 
every string as a precaution.

-- 
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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Thu Aug 25 02:03:22 2005
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 00:03:22 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] MDE question
References: <000001c5a3b0$dfc37f30$6401a8c0@laptop1>
	<4305159C.15609.389644@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <430D6D3A.6000000@shaw.ca>

This might be a bit of help
http://accesstools.narod.ru/index.html

 MDE forms/reports extractor v2.1 MS Access 2000 add-in 
  This utility is designed to allow you to extract the forms, reports 
and macros from mde file to mdb (without the form/report class module 
code). 
   In other word just the form, report design no code behind forms

Stuart McLachlan wrote:

>On 18 Aug 2005 at 8:44, John W. Colby wrote:
>
> 
>  
>
>>CONTAINER:  If your users use A97, A2K, AXP and A2003, it should be possible
>>to build the mde in and A97 container and all of these versions should be
>>able to open the thing and use it. 
>>    
>>
>
>No!  Definitely not. A2K/XP can't open an A97 MDE.  If you try, will be 
>asked whether you want to open or convert it, but which ever option you 
>choose, you will then get a msgbox saying "You can't convert or enable an 
>MDE file."  You can link to it or import the tables and queries from it but 
>you can't open or run it.
>
>I'm running into this frequently at present.  I'm upgrading all the inhouse 
>applications for a group of companies.  Many of these were created by 
>dabblers and they are a real mess.  Unfortunately some of them are only 
>available as MDEs and they are totally unconvertible.  Best I can do is 
>extract the data and recreate the functionality in a new FE.
>
>
>
>
>  
>

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From fhtapia at gmail.com  Thu Aug 25 02:40:53 2005
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 00:40:53 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] MDE question
In-Reply-To: <E1E5o3h-00029q-IK@smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net>
References: <4304B2E3.16275.1A65F03@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<E1E5o3h-00029q-IK@smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <b874372a050825004039a6bc96@mail.gmail.com>

another method for distribution and not worrying about what version your 
user have is to deploy your mde with a runtime. This way you can ensure that 
your db will work fine. W/ the latest sagekey scripts (wise installer). it 
is possible to deploy a runtime A) doesn't need the digital certificate and 
B) it keeps context menus for importing and exporting data for merging w/ 
excel/word. of course there's the added benefit w/ sage that you won't have 
to worry about a user haveing their install conflict w/ an existing Access 
version on the users machine.



On 8/18/05, Joe Hecht <jmhecht at earthlink.net> wrote:
> 
> So I should write in XP and then port up to 2K3.
> Ten user would need to select proper version for their system.
> 
> Or start in 2K3 and go down to XP.
> 
> I would have 2 mde files of same app.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart 
> McLachlan
> Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 11:10 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] MDE question
> 
> On 17 Aug 2005 at 21:53, Joe Hecht wrote:
> 
> > If I do an app in Access 2K3 and make an .mde out if it will older
> versions
> > of Access be able to use it?
> >
> 
> No, and future versions probably won't be able to either - at least that's
> been the case up to now.
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk  Thu Aug 25 03:37:01 2005
From: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk (Roz Clarke)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 09:37:01 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] test
Message-ID: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C8318807225F26@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>

The working title is "The Boa Constrictor"

No more on that 'til Friday :D

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Lawrence [mailto:accessd at shaw.ca] 
Sent: 24 August 2005 18:20
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] test


Hi Roz:

Check, your company they might have started removing a 'past' employee from
the email accounts a tad early. :-) 

Jim 
PS Great move; so what is the working title of new book?

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Roz Clarke
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 6:33 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] test

Still didn't get my own email - and I have checked my list settings - but it
could be something at this end.

-----Original Message-----
From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net] 
Sent: 24 August 2005 14:26
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] test


passed 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Roz Clarke
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 7:51 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] test

testing - not seeing my own mails to the list today

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From tom.bolton at donnslaw.co.uk  Thu Aug 25 05:08:34 2005
From: tom.bolton at donnslaw.co.uk (Tom Bolton)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 11:08:34 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Logic issue
Message-ID: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C831880802A31D@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>

Right, although this *might* be simplifying a little.

We (Roz and I) work for a big Law firm who use a software package called...
wait for it... Case.  Conceptually, the basic object is a 'case', which will
have (amongst other things) the following:

	- Capacities
	- Entities
	- Details
	- Activities

It's best to think of the 'case' as the container for the capacities,
details etc. within.  These are almost like properties and methods of a
class; come to think of it they probably are.

Capacities are types of a person or persons, such as Claimant, Client,
Defendant, Police, Third-party Insurer etc.  Entities are instances of those
capacities, i.e. an instance of the Defendant capacity could be Mr. Smith
who would be the entity.  A bit like a UDT, capacities have several
associated properties (name, address etc.)  Capacities can be linked to each
other (eg. Def. and Def. insurer) using an extremely convoluted method
called the 'acting for' which makes me shudder just thinking about it.

Details are more basic 'properties'.  Common ones we use are Claimant's
Vehicle Registration, Defendant's Policy Number etc.

Activities can be thought of as Methods of a class, and will 'do' certain
things like produce a letter to Defendant's Solicitor.  By the sounds of it,
these wouldn't be that important to you.

Discussing this with Roz, she pointed out that having all the capacity types
in one big list has never phased our 200+ users who are at all points on the
spectrum in terms of computer literacy.  Trust us, just bung 'em all in
together.  Give each capacity a type, and leave it at that.

To sum up, each 'case' has 'capacities' (people), 'details' (things), and
'activities' (methods to perform tasks in your 'case'.)

I've horrendously over-simplified a piece of software it's taken me 6 months
to find my way around so if none of it makes sense, please do ask!

HTH in some small way
Tom




-----Original Message-----
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com] 
Sent: 24-Aug-2005 19:16
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Logic issue

I think you need to have a 'people' table.  Whether a person is a judge,
lawyer, defendant should be determined by relationships to the tables
relating to those designations.

Drew

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From zora_db at yahoo.com  Thu Aug 25 05:08:03 2005
From: zora_db at yahoo.com (Roz Clarke)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 11:08:03 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [AccessD] Change of circumstances
In-Reply-To: <430CAB84.2020505@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <20050825100803.49431.qmail@web50101.mail.yahoo.com>

A good idea. Public bodies here are also much more flexible than most commercial employers, and
try to encourage jobshare and so on.

Do people have to provide their own partners, or does she pair them up?

--- MartyConnelly <martyconnelly at shaw.ca> wrote:

> One thing to check out is the split day's type of jobs, especially in 
> the civil service
> In other words you get a partner and one works 2 days, the other 3 days.
> My sisterinlaw did this in her government department in Alberta so 
> people could attend university.
> during the day. She is in charge of HR. Wouldn't work for engineers they 
> have 40 class hours a week,
> but arts generally have less then 20 hours. Now she is getting request 
> from women with autistic kids etc.
> She calls the programmers doing this extreme programmers with some lag.
> The participants set up there own internal blog to keep track of what is 
> happening.
> 
> Roz Clarke wrote:
> 
> >Well remembered John, I will do
> >
> >:)
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Johncliviger at aol.com [mailto:Johncliviger at aol.com] 
> >Sent: 24 August 2005 12:24
> >To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> >Subject: Re: [AccessD] Change of circumstances
> >
> >
> >Roz
> > 
> >I think your are in the Manchester, England area, if I'm right email me a
> >cv 
> >at _databaseuk at aol.com_ (mailto:databaseuk at aol.com) 
> > 
> >John
> >  
> >
> >  
> >
> >  
> >
> 
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From zora_db at yahoo.com  Thu Aug 25 05:30:02 2005
From: zora_db at yahoo.com (Roz Clarke)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 11:30:02 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [AccessD] Logic issue
In-Reply-To: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C831880802A31D@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>
Message-ID: <20050825103003.85207.qmail@web50109.mail.yahoo.com>

To tie this back to the dicussion about join tables (what I always called 'resolution' tables
because they resolve a many to many relationship), entities in the system are linked to cases via
an 'Involvements' table. This is like the idea of roles that Debbie mentioned.

So there is a big ol' library of entities (people & organisations). There is a customisable lookup
of standard capacities: Claimant, Defendant, Counsel etc. Entities are attached to cases by the
'involvement' which also gives the capacity in which they are involved; their role in the case.

This is great, because it means that we get the advantages of having all our entities in one big
table (reduces danger of duplication, which is a HUGE issue, makes finding individuals possible
when you don't know what their role might have been, etc.), and we also get the advantages of
categorisation; you can see what kinds of involvement individuals and organisations have had in
your cases.

If your search works well, and I like William's idea for dynamic filtering, there is no drawback
to having everything jammed in together. Case's searches aren't great, but they are quick, and the
users are perfectly happy, as Tom said.

Another thing the system does that you may want to consider is allow you to set defaults, so that
when you open a new case (indictment, for you) you can answer a couple of questions and it will
then pre-populate not only involvements, but details and diary entries.

The bit that doesn't work properly is attaching additional attributes to the involvements, and
you'll want to make sure you can crack this; we can add custom details such as 'Defendant's
vehicle registration' but we can't link them to a specific defendant involvement without jumping
through a lot of hoops (especially as you might have several entities attached to a case all in
the same capacity, multiple witnesses for example).

I don't know if the same holds for you, but we are required by the Law Society to undertake
conflict checks, which means that we *need* to know if our client has been the third party in
another case. This is another thing Case doesn't do very well because the front end is badly
implemented, but the table structure allows you to get the information out easily enough.

--- Tom Bolton <tom.bolton at donnslaw.co.uk> wrote:

> Right, although this *might* be simplifying a little.
> 
> We (Roz and I) work for a big Law firm who use a software package called...
> wait for it... Case.  Conceptually, the basic object is a 'case', which will
> have (amongst other things) the following:
> 
> 	- Capacities
> 	- Entities
> 	- Details
> 	- Activities
> 
> It's best to think of the 'case' as the container for the capacities,
> details etc. within.  These are almost like properties and methods of a
> class; come to think of it they probably are.
> 
> Capacities are types of a person or persons, such as Claimant, Client,
> Defendant, Police, Third-party Insurer etc.  Entities are instances of those
> capacities, i.e. an instance of the Defendant capacity could be Mr. Smith
> who would be the entity.  A bit like a UDT, capacities have several
> associated properties (name, address etc.)  Capacities can be linked to each
> other (eg. Def. and Def. insurer) using an extremely convoluted method
> called the 'acting for' which makes me shudder just thinking about it.
> 
> Details are more basic 'properties'.  Common ones we use are Claimant's
> Vehicle Registration, Defendant's Policy Number etc.
> 
> Activities can be thought of as Methods of a class, and will 'do' certain
> things like produce a letter to Defendant's Solicitor.  By the sounds of it,
> these wouldn't be that important to you.
> 
> Discussing this with Roz, she pointed out that having all the capacity types
> in one big list has never phased our 200+ users who are at all points on the
> spectrum in terms of computer literacy.  Trust us, just bung 'em all in
> together.  Give each capacity a type, and leave it at that.
> 
> To sum up, each 'case' has 'capacities' (people), 'details' (things), and
> 'activities' (methods to perform tasks in your 'case'.)
> 
> I've horrendously over-simplified a piece of software it's taken me 6 months
> to find my way around so if none of it makes sense, please do ask!
> 
> HTH in some small way
> Tom
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DWUTKA at marlow.com [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com] 
> Sent: 24-Aug-2005 19:16
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Logic issue
> 
> I think you need to have a 'people' table.  Whether a person is a judge,
> lawyer, defendant should be determined by relationships to the tables
> relating to those designations.
> 
> Drew
> 
> > 
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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Aug 25 05:57:04 2005
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 12:57:04 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] SQL to count delimiters in a string
Message-ID: <s30dc044.069@cactus.dk>

Hi Jim

Here's the real simple method:

  SELECT
    Len([fldText])-Len(Replace([fldText], '|', '')) AS Occurrences
  FROM ...

If you expect Null values use:
    Len([fldText])-Len(Replace('' & [fldText], '|', '')) AS
Occurrences
to prevent errors.

If you want a count of zero even for Null values:
    Len('' & [fldText])-Len(Replace('' & [fldText], '|', '')) AS
Occurrences

For Access 97 and below you'll need to supply the Replace() function
too.

/gustav


>>> Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com 24-08-2005 17:51 >>>
Assume I have a text field in a table. Further assume that the text
strings
are delimited by the pipe character "|". I want to know how many pipe
characters occur in each field, ie. the select statement should
return:

fldText                         Occurrences
test|ddd|ww|ex                3
fff|sss                             1
eenie|meenie|minie|moe   3

What is the correct SQL to produce the desired result? TIA
Jim Hale



From artful at rogers.com  Thu Aug 25 07:07:46 2005
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 08:07:46 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Logic issue
In-Reply-To: <123701F54509D9119A4F00D0B747349016DE55@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <200508251207.j7PC7oR22410@databaseadvisors.com>

I agree with Drew but I would take the idea a little further, adding an
associative (bridge) table tblPersonRoles, allowing a many-to-many
relationship between Persons and Roles. I would also add a date range to the
tblPersonRoles table, so that I could note that Person X was a prosecutor
until 1999, when she became a judge, and then in 2004 she was charged with
drunk driving and became a defendant.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of DWUTKA at marlow.com
Sent: August 24, 2005 2:16 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Logic issue

I think you need to have a 'people' table.  Whether a person is a judge,
lawyer, defendant should be determined by relationships to the tables
relating to those designations.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John Clark [mailto:John.Clark at niagaracounty.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 12:36 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Logic issue


Hi all

I am having trouble working out how I want to go about something, and I
am hoping somebody here can give me a nudge. It doesn't sound difficult,
but I'm running into dead-ends. I am starting to think that I will just
have to go ahead and finish up with "whatever" and work around things.

I am doing a project for a district attorney's office, and it will
basically just keep tabs on everybody that passes through the system.
The problem is though that there are "Defendants", defense lawyers,
prosecuting lawyers, judges, and victims, and it isn't rare for a single
person to cross into multiple lists. And, theoretically, it is possible
to be in all lists. For instance there are many prosecuting lawyers that
become defense attorneys, and it is not unlikely that one of these
attorneys could be a judge in the future. That scenario is very
possible, and you can add it that a lawyer is very able to be a victim,
and hell, we all know they can be criminals ;) Another scenario that
happens very frequently, is that a person is both a defendant and a
victim. 

I don't want the person entering data to scroll through hundreds, and
eventually thousands, of names to pick an attorney's name from among the
list of everybody else in the system.

The idea I am working on presently is to add logical fields for each
designation to the table of names. For instances:

kNameID
txtLastName
txtFirstName
txtMI
txtSuffix
logAttorney
logADA
logJudge
logVictim
logDefendant

If I do this, I will have removed some fields that are currently there,
such as:

txtAddress1
txtAddress2
txtCity
txtSt
txtZip
txtPhone

And, I will put these in another linked table. There may be a need to
have multiple addresses for the defendants, so this would be best I
think.

The problem that I am foreseeing here...I'm not at that point, so my
fears could be unfounded...is setting these fields to true and/or false,
as needed.  Basically, thinking of victims for a minute here, the
defendant screen, which will actually be an "Indictment" screen, will
have a subform to hold potentially many victims for the indictment. If a
victim IS already in the system as something else, I will need to tag
that name as a victim and I'm wondering if this will present
difficulties.

Well, I hope I am being clear enough. If anyone out there has any tips
for me, I would greatly appreciate it if you would pass them along.

Thank you!

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From John.Clark at niagaracounty.com  Thu Aug 25 07:08:15 2005
From: John.Clark at niagaracounty.com (John Clark)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 08:08:15 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Logic issue
Message-ID: <s30d7ca8.049@nebnov3.niagaracounty.com>

Yes Frank, I always like to checkout someone's ideas...I learn so much
more than any book can teach. My address is john.clark at niagaracounty.com


If this is a zip file, change the extention to something like .zp,
because we block .zip files.

John W. Clark
Computer Programmer
Niagara County
Central Data Processing

>>> frank at fhsservices.co.uk 8/24/2005 5:21 PM >>>
Here's a different solution!
If you have a checkbox for each title or position that can be
applicable to
each person represented through the database then, on the client form
of any
of people the list the checkboxes will indicate positives for the
applicable
option.
So, Jack Jones can have the boxes ticked for Defence attorney,
prosecuting
attorney, Judge etc. etc. The final checkbox (no 9 on my sample) can be
set
to "Other" and have an associated textbox in the table which will only
be
displayed it no 9 is ticked and the text will be entered into the
open,
blank textbox for storage and later retrieval.
The trick here is to combine the bit value of each checkbox to obtain
a
unique value for the combination of boxes ticked.
I have a small database of the principle as a working example which I
can
forward to anybody who would like to see it.
The AccessD list is limited to a 30K unit size and will not allow me
to
attach the sample to this text

Kind regards,
 
Frank Hill

Kind regards,
 
Frank Hill

 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Clark
Sent: 24 August 2005 18:36
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: [AccessD] Logic issue

Hi all

I am having trouble working out how I want to go about something, and
I
am hoping somebody here can give me a nudge. It doesn't sound
difficult,
but I'm running into dead-ends. I am starting to think that I will
just
have to go ahead and finish up with "whatever" and work around things.

I am doing a project for a district attorney's office, and it will
basically just keep tabs on everybody that passes through the system.
The problem is though that there are "Defendants", defense lawyers,
prosecuting lawyers, judges, and victims, and it isn't rare for a
single
person to cross into multiple lists. And, theoretically, it is
possible
to be in all lists. For instance there are many prosecuting lawyers
that
become defense attorneys, and it is not unlikely that one of these
attorneys could be a judge in the future. That scenario is very
possible, and you can add it that a lawyer is very able to be a
victim,
and hell, we all know they can be criminals ;) Another scenario that
happens very frequently, is that a person is both a defendant and a
victim. 

I don't want the person entering data to scroll through hundreds, and
eventually thousands, of names to pick an attorney's name from among
the
list of everybody else in the system.

The idea I am working on presently is to add logical fields for each
designation to the table of names. For instances:

kNameID
txtLastName
txtFirstName
txtMI
txtSuffix
logAttorney
logADA
logJudge
logVictim
logDefendant

If I do this, I will have removed some fields that are currently
there,
such as:

txtAddress1
txtAddress2
txtCity
txtSt
txtZip
txtPhone

And, I will put these in another linked table. There may be a need to
have multiple addresses for the defendants, so this would be best I
think.

The problem that I am foreseeing here...I'm not at that point, so my
fears could be unfounded...is setting these fields to true and/or
false,
as needed.  Basically, thinking of victims for a minute here, the
defendant screen, which will actually be an "Indictment" screen, will
have a subform to hold potentially many victims for the indictment. If
a
victim IS already in the system as something else, I will need to tag
that name as a victim and I'm wondering if this will present
difficulties.

Well, I hope I am being clear enough. If anyone out there has any tips
for me, I would greatly appreciate it if you would pass them along.

Thank you!

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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Aug 25 07:33:42 2005
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 14:33:42 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Control codes to a printer
Message-ID: <s30dd6cc.074@cactus.dk>

Hi John

Are you sure you need to do this?
Can't you set the printer to auto cut?

I've never seen the syntax Stewart presents, neither a method for
sending hex (control) codes to a printer from Access.
However, this page may help you:

How do I Control an Epson Receipt Printer with Visual Basic?
http://www.posworld.com/eprecprinvis.html 

It demonstrates the use of a special "Control font" which doesn't print
but transforms some chars to some hex code sequences.

/gustav

>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 24-08-2005 23:29 >>>
I need to send a series of hex characters to an Epson receipt printer
to
execute the cutting.  Hex characters are 1d 56 42 20  The printer is
TCP/IP
so I have an IP address stored in a table and hidden in a form that is
open
when the print command is executed.  This is a Win98 environment. 
Does
anyone already have something similar.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 



From Gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Aug 25 07:36:30 2005
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 14:36:30 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Control codes to a printer
Message-ID: <s30dd780.075@cactus.dk>

Oops Stuart, sorry for spelling you Stewart! 

/gustav

>>> stuart at lexacorp.com.pg 25-08-2005 02:46 >>>



From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Aug 25 07:58:21 2005
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 22:58:21 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Control codes to a printer
In-Reply-To: <s30dd6cc.074@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <430E4D0D.23030.549CC53@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

On 25 Aug 2005 at 14:33, Gustav Brock wrote:

> Hi John
> 
> Are you sure you need to do this?
> Can't you set the printer to auto cut?
> 
> I've never seen the syntax Stewart presents, neither a method for
> sending hex (control) codes to a printer from Access.
> However, this page may help you:
> 

It certainly works for sending control codes to a printer on LPTx: or 
COMx:, but I've never tried it with an IP:xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx  port and don't 
have one handy to test it.





-- 
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From artful at rogers.com  Thu Aug 25 08:06:19 2005
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 09:06:19 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Building SQL statement
In-Reply-To: <015101c5a924$4f937db0$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <200508251306.j7PD6MR04318@databaseadvisors.com>

Replace(MyText,Chr(39),Chr(39)&Chr(39))
Should do it.
Arthur

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: August 24, 2005 11:23 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Building SQL statement

I'm attempting to build a SQL statement to append data into a record.  One
of the fields is text, including (possibly) any valid text including ' - for
example in contractions such as "aren't" etc.

My SQL statement is building up a statement in the format:

            lstrSQL = "INSERT INTO WebNewsItem ( WebNewsSourceID, Link,
Title, ArticleDescription ) " & _
                        "SELECT " & webNewsSourceID & " AS WebNewsSourceID,
'" & link & "' AS Link, '" & title & "' AS Title, '" & description & "' AS
ArticleDescription;"

The problem is that description can contain the ' character and thus I end
up with an invalid SQL statement since the ' embedded in description "looks
like" the ' that is supposed to enclose the text.

I can't for the life of me remember how I am supposed to handle this.

I could punt and open a recordset, create a new record, and place the data
directly into the field, which I may end up doing but I sure would prefer to
just do the "append query" thing.  It is (was) much simpler.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Aug 25 08:15:12 2005
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 15:15:12 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Control codes to a printer
Message-ID: <s30de09d.079@cactus.dk>

Hi Stuart

Sorry, it is the IP:xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx syntax I've never seen.

The surrounding part is common and we use that for writing directly to
a receipt printer (not Epson but Axiohm) as this is terribly faster than
printing a report. And at POS _every_ second counts.

/gustav

>>> stuart at lexacorp.com.pg 25-08-2005 14:58 >>>
On 25 Aug 2005 at 14:33, Gustav Brock wrote:

> Hi John
> 
> Are you sure you need to do this?
> Can't you set the printer to auto cut?
> 
> I've never seen the syntax Stewart presents, neither a method for
> sending hex (control) codes to a printer from Access.
> However, this page may help you:
> 

It certainly works for sending control codes to a printer on LPTx: or 
COMx:, but I've never tried it with an IP:xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx  port and
don't 
have one handy to test it.





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From artful at rogers.com  Thu Aug 25 09:58:55 2005
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 10:58:55 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Logic issue
In-Reply-To: <200508251207.j7PC7oR22410@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <200508251458.j7PEwwR04886@databaseadvisors.com>

On second thought, I would not use a Persons table since the defendant and
or claimant could be a corporation. I would go with tblEntities which might
be tied to a tblEntityTypes table containing such rows as Person,
Corporation, NGO, etc. A given case could for example be a class action
suit, with one or more corporations defending their alleged malfeasance
against hundreds or thousands of claimants (some corporate, some
individuals).

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: August 25, 2005 8:08 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Logic issue

I agree with Drew but I would take the idea a little further, adding an
associative (bridge) table tblPersonRoles, allowing a many-to-many
relationship between Persons and Roles. I would also add a date range to the
tblPersonRoles table, so that I could note that Person X was a prosecutor
until 1999, when she became a judge, and then in 2004 she was charged with
drunk driving and became a defendant.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of DWUTKA at marlow.com
Sent: August 24, 2005 2:16 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Logic issue

I think you need to have a 'people' table.  Whether a person is a judge,
lawyer, defendant should be determined by relationships to the tables
relating to those designations.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John Clark [mailto:John.Clark at niagaracounty.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 12:36 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Logic issue


Hi all

I am having trouble working out how I want to go about something, and I
am hoping somebody here can give me a nudge. It doesn't sound difficult,
but I'm running into dead-ends. I am starting to think that I will just
have to go ahead and finish up with "whatever" and work around things.

I am doing a project for a district attorney's office, and it will
basically just keep tabs on everybody that passes through the system.
The problem is though that there are "Defendants", defense lawyers,
prosecuting lawyers, judges, and victims, and it isn't rare for a single
person to cross into multiple lists. And, theoretically, it is possible
to be in all lists. For instance there are many prosecuting lawyers that
become defense attorneys, and it is not unlikely that one of these
attorneys could be a judge in the future. That scenario is very
possible, and you can add it that a lawyer is very able to be a victim,
and hell, we all know they can be criminals ;) Another scenario that
happens very frequently, is that a person is both a defendant and a
victim. 

I don't want the person entering data to scroll through hundreds, and
eventually thousands, of names to pick an attorney's name from among the
list of everybody else in the system.

The idea I am working on presently is to add logical fields for each
designation to the table of names. For instances:

kNameID
txtLastName
txtFirstName
txtMI
txtSuffix
logAttorney
logADA
logJudge
logVictim
logDefendant

If I do this, I will have removed some fields that are currently there,
such as:

txtAddress1
txtAddress2
txtCity
txtSt
txtZip
txtPhone

And, I will put these in another linked table. There may be a need to
have multiple addresses for the defendants, so this would be best I
think.

The problem that I am foreseeing here...I'm not at that point, so my
fears could be unfounded...is setting these fields to true and/or false,
as needed.  Basically, thinking of victims for a minute here, the
defendant screen, which will actually be an "Indictment" screen, will
have a subform to hold potentially many victims for the indictment. If a
victim IS already in the system as something else, I will need to tag
that name as a victim and I'm wondering if this will present
difficulties.

Well, I hope I am being clear enough. If anyone out there has any tips
for me, I would greatly appreciate it if you would pass them along.

Thank you!

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu Aug 25 10:20:52 2005
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 08:20:52 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Zip files (was Logic issue)
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86873BF6@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Does anyone know what the logic is for blocking zip files?  I run into
this occasionally and it drives me nuts!  You zip files to avoid the
filters that won't accept an mdb, etc., and then you run into filters
that won't accept the zip files.  Oops, Catch-22.  That drumming you
hear is my head pounding against the wall ....

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: John Clark [mailto:John.Clark at niagaracounty.com] 
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 5:08 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Logic issue


Yes Frank, I always like to checkout someone's ideas...I learn so much
more than any book can teach. My address is john.clark at niagaracounty.com


If this is a zip file, change the extention to something like .zp,
because we block .zip files.

John W. Clark
Computer Programmer
Niagara County
Central Data Processing

>>> frank at fhsservices.co.uk 8/24/2005 5:21 PM >>>
Here's a different solution!
If you have a checkbox for each title or position that can be applicable
to each person represented through the database then, on the client form
of any of people the list the checkboxes will indicate positives for the
applicable option. So, Jack Jones can have the boxes ticked for Defence
attorney, prosecuting attorney, Judge etc. etc. The final checkbox (no 9
on my sample) can be set to "Other" and have an associated textbox in
the table which will only be displayed it no 9 is ticked and the text
will be entered into the open, blank textbox for storage and later
retrieval. The trick here is to combine the bit value of each checkbox
to obtain a unique value for the combination of boxes ticked. I have a
small database of the principle as a working example which I can forward
to anybody who would like to see it. The AccessD list is limited to a
30K unit size and will not allow me to attach the sample to this text

Kind regards,
 
Frank Hill

Kind regards,
 
Frank Hill

 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Clark
Sent: 24 August 2005 18:36
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: [AccessD] Logic issue

Hi all

I am having trouble working out how I want to go about something, and I
am hoping somebody here can give me a nudge. It doesn't sound difficult,
but I'm running into dead-ends. I am starting to think that I will just
have to go ahead and finish up with "whatever" and work around things.

I am doing a project for a district attorney's office, and it will
basically just keep tabs on everybody that passes through the system.
The problem is though that there are "Defendants", defense lawyers,
prosecuting lawyers, judges, and victims, and it isn't rare for a single
person to cross into multiple lists. And, theoretically, it is possible
to be in all lists. For instance there are many prosecuting lawyers that
become defense attorneys, and it is not unlikely that one of these
attorneys could be a judge in the future. That scenario is very
possible, and you can add it that a lawyer is very able to be a victim,
and hell, we all know they can be criminals ;) Another scenario that
happens very frequently, is that a person is both a defendant and a
victim. 

I don't want the person entering data to scroll through hundreds, and
eventually thousands, of names to pick an attorney's name from among the
list of everybody else in the system.

The idea I am working on presently is to add logical fields for each
designation to the table of names. For instances:

kNameID
txtLastName
txtFirstName
txtMI
txtSuffix
logAttorney
logADA
logJudge
logVictim
logDefendant

If I do this, I will have removed some fields that are currently there,
such as:

txtAddress1
txtAddress2
txtCity
txtSt
txtZip
txtPhone

And, I will put these in another linked table. There may be a need to
have multiple addresses for the defendants, so this would be best I
think.

The problem that I am foreseeing here...I'm not at that point, so my
fears could be unfounded...is setting these fields to true and/or false,
as needed.  Basically, thinking of victims for a minute here, the
defendant screen, which will actually be an "Indictment" screen, will
have a subform to hold potentially many victims for the indictment. If a
victim IS already in the system as something else, I will need to tag
that name as a victim and I'm wondering if this will present
difficulties.

Well, I hope I am being clear enough. If anyone out there has any tips
for me, I would greatly appreciate it if you would pass them along.

Thank you!

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From John.Clark at niagaracounty.com  Thu Aug 25 10:27:32 2005
From: John.Clark at niagaracounty.com (John Clark)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 11:27:32 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Field Sizes
Message-ID: <s30dab62.054@nebnov3.niagaracounty.com>

I've got bigger problems right now, but I've meant to ask something
forever and...well...today is the day, I guess. What do y'all use for
standard sizes for typical text fields, such as Last Name, First Name,
Address, City, etc.? Is there a "common practice rule" concerning this?

And, just to get the yuks outta the way, I guess I could have changed
the subject line to, "does size matter?"


From HARVEYF1 at WESTAT.com  Thu Aug 25 10:38:22 2005
From: HARVEYF1 at WESTAT.com (Francis Harvey)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 11:38:22 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Building SQL statement
Message-ID: <403593359CA56C4CAE1F8F4F00DCFE7D014C7074@MAILBE2.westat.com>

John,

Perhaps the SQL statement could be rewritten to use parameters,
something like:

PARAMETERS WebNewsSourceID Long, Link Text ( 255 ), 
    Title Text ( 255 ), ArticleDescription Text ( 255 );
INSERT INTO WebNewsItem ( WebNewsSourceID, Link, Title,
ArticleDescription )
SELECT [WebNewsSourceID] AS WebNewsSourceID, [Link] AS Link, 
    [Title] AS Title, [ArticleDescription] AS ArticleDescription;

so that you could create and execute a querydef where you could fill in
its parameters without worrying about unexpected string termination.

Francis R Harvey III
WB 303, (301)294-3952
harveyf1 at westat.com


> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> John W. Colby
> Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 11:23 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: [AccessD] Building SQL statement
> 
> 
> I'm attempting to build a SQL statement to append data into a 
> record.  One
> of the fields is text, including (possibly) any valid text 
> including ' - for
> example in contractions such as "aren't" etc.
> 
> My SQL statement is building up a statement in the format:
> 
>             lstrSQL = "INSERT INTO WebNewsItem ( 
> WebNewsSourceID, Link,
> Title, ArticleDescription ) " & _
>                         "SELECT " & webNewsSourceID & " AS 
> WebNewsSourceID,
> '" & link & "' AS Link, '" & title & "' AS Title, '" & 
> description & "' AS
> ArticleDescription;"
> 
> The problem is that description can contain the ' character 
> and thus I end
> up with an invalid SQL statement since the ' embedded in 
> description "looks
> like" the ' that is supposed to enclose the text.
> 
<snip>
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com 
> 
> Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
> http://folding.stanford.edu/


From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com  Thu Aug 25 10:57:35 2005
From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 11:57:35 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Zip files (was Logic issue)
Message-ID: <1D7828CDB8350747AFE9D69E0E90DA1F14EA41DE@xlivmbx21.aig.com>

IMHO it's caused by IT people who are too paranoid by far. They invest
thousands on virus scanning software, keep updating the sig files every 24
hours, but in the end they don't trust it to weed out the viruses coming at
them via ZIP files. Rather than scanning the contents of ZIP files they
blindly block them. Also, don't the realize that most (All?) antivirus
programs can be set to scan files when they are opened and or written to
disk? So even if a zip file does have a virus, the anti-virus package should
kill it.

Lambert

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 11:21 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Zip files (was Logic issue)


Does anyone know what the logic is for blocking zip files?  I run into this
occasionally and it drives me nuts!  You zip files to avoid the filters that
won't accept an mdb, etc., and then you run into filters that won't accept
the zip files.  Oops, Catch-22.  That drumming you hear is my head pounding
against the wall ....

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: John Clark [mailto:John.Clark at niagaracounty.com] 
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 5:08 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Logic issue


Yes Frank, I always like to checkout someone's ideas...I learn so much more
than any book can teach. My address is john.clark at niagaracounty.com


If this is a zip file, change the extention to something like .zp, because
we block .zip files.

John W. Clark
Computer Programmer
Niagara County
Central Data Processing

>>> frank at fhsservices.co.uk 8/24/2005 5:21 PM >>>
Here's a different solution!
If you have a checkbox for each title or position that can be applicable to
each person represented through the database then, on the client form of any
of people the list the checkboxes will indicate positives for the applicable
option. So, Jack Jones can have the boxes ticked for Defence attorney,
prosecuting attorney, Judge etc. etc. The final checkbox (no 9 on my sample)
can be set to "Other" and have an associated textbox in the table which will
only be displayed it no 9 is ticked and the text will be entered into the
open, blank textbox for storage and later retrieval. The trick here is to
combine the bit value of each checkbox to obtain a unique value for the
combination of boxes ticked. I have a small database of the principle as a
working example which I can forward to anybody who would like to see it. The
AccessD list is limited to a 30K unit size and will not allow me to attach
the sample to this text

Kind regards,
 
Frank Hill

Kind regards,
 
Frank Hill

 

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Clark
Sent: 24 August 2005 18:36
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: [AccessD] Logic issue

Hi all

I am having trouble working out how I want to go about something, and I am
hoping somebody here can give me a nudge. It doesn't sound difficult, but
I'm running into dead-ends. I am starting to think that I will just have to
go ahead and finish up with "whatever" and work around things.

I am doing a project for a district attorney's office, and it will basically
just keep tabs on everybody that passes through the system. The problem is
though that there are "Defendants", defense lawyers, prosecuting lawyers,
judges, and victims, and it isn't rare for a single person to cross into
multiple lists. And, theoretically, it is possible to be in all lists. For
instance there are many prosecuting lawyers that become defense attorneys,
and it is not unlikely that one of these attorneys could be a judge in the
future. That scenario is very possible, and you can add it that a lawyer is
very able to be a victim, and hell, we all know they can be criminals ;)
Another scenario that happens very frequently, is that a person is both a
defendant and a victim. 

I don't want the person entering data to scroll through hundreds, and
eventually thousands, of names to pick an attorney's name from among the
list of everybody else in the system.

The idea I am working on presently is to add logical fields for each
designation to the table of names. For instances:

kNameID
txtLastName
txtFirstName
txtMI
txtSuffix
logAttorney
logADA
logJudge
logVictim
logDefendant

If I do this, I will have removed some fields that are currently there, such
as:

txtAddress1
txtAddress2
txtCity
txtSt
txtZip
txtPhone

And, I will put these in another linked table. There may be a need to have
multiple addresses for the defendants, so this would be best I think.

The problem that I am foreseeing here...I'm not at that point, so my fears
could be unfounded...is setting these fields to true and/or false, as
needed.  Basically, thinking of victims for a minute here, the defendant
screen, which will actually be an "Indictment" screen, will have a subform
to hold potentially many victims for the indictment. If a victim IS already
in the system as something else, I will need to tag that name as a victim
and I'm wondering if this will present difficulties.

Well, I hope I am being clear enough. If anyone out there has any tips for
me, I would greatly appreciate it if you would pass them along.

Thank you!

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From DElam at jenkens.com  Thu Aug 25 11:08:35 2005
From: DElam at jenkens.com (Elam, Debbie)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 11:08:35 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Zip files (was Logic issue)
Message-ID: <7B1961ED924D1A459E378C9B1BB22B4C0492CCE1@natexch.jenkens.com>

I know we temporarily block these files and several others.  It gives the
admins some time to scan before the file is delivered, but it does get
delivered.  Are you sure these are not getting through at all?

If they are never getting through, I have received some files with a
differently named extension.  Text.zip is renamed to Text.zi and gets
through.  I must rename it back before I can open it, but it works.

Debbie

-----Original Message-----
From: Heenan, Lambert [mailto:Lambert.Heenan at aig.com] 
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 10:58 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Zip files (was Logic issue)


IMHO it's caused by IT people who are too paranoid by far. They invest
thousands on virus scanning software, keep updating the sig files every 24
hours, but in the end they don't trust it to weed out the viruses coming at
them via ZIP files. Rather than scanning the contents of ZIP files they
blindly block them. Also, don't the realize that most (All?) antivirus
programs can be set to scan files when they are opened and or written to
disk? So even if a zip file does have a virus, the anti-virus package should
kill it.

Lambert

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 11:21 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Zip files (was Logic issue)


Does anyone know what the logic is for blocking zip files?  I run into this
occasionally and it drives me nuts!  You zip files to avoid the filters that
won't accept an mdb, etc., and then you run into filters that won't accept
the zip files.  Oops, Catch-22.  That drumming you hear is my head pounding
against the wall ....

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: John Clark [mailto:John.Clark at niagaracounty.com] 
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 5:08 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Logic issue


Yes Frank, I always like to checkout someone's ideas...I learn so much more
than any book can teach. My address is john.clark at niagaracounty.com


If this is a zip file, change the extention to something like .zp, because
we block .zip files.

John W. Clark
Computer Programmer
Niagara County
Central Data Processing

>>> frank at fhsservices.co.uk 8/24/2005 5:21 PM >>>
Here's a different solution!
If you have a checkbox for each title or position that can be applicable to
each person represented through the database then, on the client form of any
of people the list the checkboxes will indicate positives for the applicable
option. So, Jack Jones can have the boxes ticked for Defence attorney,
prosecuting attorney, Judge etc. etc. The final checkbox (no 9 on my sample)
can be set to "Other" and have an associated textbox in the table which will
only be displayed it no 9 is ticked and the text will be entered into the
open, blank textbox for storage and later retrieval. The trick here is to
combine the bit value of each checkbox to obtain a unique value for the
combination of boxes ticked. I have a small database of the principle as a
working example which I can forward to anybody who would like to see it. The
AccessD list is limited to a 30K unit size and will not allow me to attach
the sample to this text

Kind regards,
 
Frank Hill

Kind regards,
 
Frank Hill

 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Clark
Sent: 24 August 2005 18:36
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: [AccessD] Logic issue

Hi all

I am having trouble working out how I want to go about something, and I am
hoping somebody here can give me a nudge. It doesn't sound difficult, but
I'm running into dead-ends. I am starting to think that I will just have to
go ahead and finish up with "whatever" and work around things.

I am doing a project for a district attorney's office, and it will basically
just keep tabs on everybody that passes through the system. The problem is
though that there are "Defendants", defense lawyers, prosecuting lawyers,
judges, and victims, and it isn't rare for a single person to cross into
multiple lists. And, theoretically, it is possible to be in all lists. For
instance there are many prosecuting lawyers that become defense attorneys,
and it is not unlikely that one of these attorneys could be a judge in the
future. That scenario is very possible, and you can add it that a lawyer is
very able to be a victim, and hell, we all know they can be criminals ;)
Another scenario that happens very frequently, is that a person is both a
defendant and a victim. 

I don't want the person entering data to scroll through hundreds, and
eventually thousands, of names to pick an attorney's name from among the
list of everybody else in the system.

The idea I am working on presently is to add logical fields for each
designation to the table of names. For instances:

kNameID
txtLastName
txtFirstName
txtMI
txtSuffix
logAttorney
logADA
logJudge
logVictim
logDefendant

If I do this, I will have removed some fields that are currently there, such
as:

txtAddress1
txtAddress2
txtCity
txtSt
txtZip
txtPhone

And, I will put these in another linked table. There may be a need to have
multiple addresses for the defendants, so this would be best I think.

The problem that I am foreseeing here...I'm not at that point, so my fears
could be unfounded...is setting these fields to true and/or false, as
needed.  Basically, thinking of victims for a minute here, the defendant
screen, which will actually be an "Indictment" screen, will have a subform
to hold potentially many victims for the indictment. If a victim IS already
in the system as something else, I will need to tag that name as a victim
and I'm wondering if this will present difficulties.

Well, I hope I am being clear enough. If anyone out there has any tips for
me, I would greatly appreciate it if you would pass them along.

Thank you!

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Aug 25 12:08:19 2005
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 10:08:19 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Field Sizes
In-Reply-To: <s30dab62.054@nebnov3.niagaracounty.com>
Message-ID: <0ILS00F2OFLU17@l-daemon>

Hi John:

Off the top but as far as I know there are no standards but lengths that
have worked in the past are as follows:

Firstname: 15
MiddleName: 25 (can be multiple)
LastName: 25

AptNumber: 5
Address: 10
StreetName: 25
City: 15

There are of course items which extend outside but 98% of the time these
have worked.

Jim 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Clark
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 8:28 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Field Sizes

I've got bigger problems right now, but I've meant to ask something
forever and...well...today is the day, I guess. What do y'all use for
standard sizes for typical text fields, such as Last Name, First Name,
Address, City, etc.? Is there a "common practice rule" concerning this?

And, just to get the yuks outta the way, I guess I could have changed
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Aug 25 12:26:04 2005
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 10:26:04 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Zip files (was Logic issue)
In-Reply-To: <1D7828CDB8350747AFE9D69E0E90DA1F14EA41DE@xlivmbx21.aig.com>
Message-ID: <0ILS00D8HGFGA5@l-daemon>

Hi Lambert:

In theory virus can be hidden within a ZIP file and virus scanning programs
can not see them as a signature stream of values are required for virus
identification. The compression algorithm of the ZIP alters that signature
stream. Also some tricky code within a so called ZIP file can activate in
the process of unzipping the ZIP file.

But that can always be got around by simply sending your ZIP file named like
MYZipFile.ZIP.txt. When on one contract this technique was used by the local
IT people to slip ZIP files through the filters and then the first dot and
extension were removed. The ZIP files were then unzipped in isolation and
tested before being introduced on LAN
 
A little paranoid? You bet but at one government office, a couple of years
ago, a BlasterWorm got in through a similar method and the result was that a
couple of Ministries were down off and on for the better part of a month.
Put a price tag on that incident.

My two cents worth
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 8:58 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Zip files (was Logic issue)

IMHO it's caused by IT people who are too paranoid by far. They invest
thousands on virus scanning software, keep updating the sig files every 24
hours, but in the end they don't trust it to weed out the viruses coming at
them via ZIP files. Rather than scanning the contents of ZIP files they
blindly block them. Also, don't the realize that most (All?) antivirus
programs can be set to scan files when they are opened and or written to
disk? So even if a zip file does have a virus, the anti-virus package should
kill it.

Lambert

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 11:21 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Zip files (was Logic issue)


Does anyone know what the logic is for blocking zip files?  I run into this
occasionally and it drives me nuts!  You zip files to avoid the filters that
won't accept an mdb, etc., and then you run into filters that won't accept
the zip files.  Oops, Catch-22.  That drumming you hear is my head pounding
against the wall ....

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: John Clark [mailto:John.Clark at niagaracounty.com] 
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 5:08 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Logic issue


Yes Frank, I always like to checkout someone's ideas...I learn so much more
than any book can teach. My address is john.clark at niagaracounty.com


If this is a zip file, change the extention to something like .zp, because
we block .zip files.

John W. Clark
Computer Programmer
Niagara County
Central Data Processing

>>> frank at fhsservices.co.uk 8/24/2005 5:21 PM >>>
Here's a different solution!
If you have a checkbox for each title or position that can be applicable to
each person represented through the database then, on the client form of any
of people the list the checkboxes will indicate positives for the applicable
option. So, Jack Jones can have the boxes ticked for Defence attorney,
prosecuting attorney, Judge etc. etc. The final checkbox (no 9 on my sample)
can be set to "Other" and have an associated textbox in the table which will
only be displayed it no 9 is ticked and the text will be entered into the
open, blank textbox for storage and later retrieval. The trick here is to
combine the bit value of each checkbox to obtain a unique value for the
combination of boxes ticked. I have a small database of the principle as a
working example which I can forward to anybody who would like to see it. The
AccessD list is limited to a 30K unit size and will not allow me to attach
the sample to this text

Kind regards,
 
Frank Hill

Kind regards,
 
Frank Hill

 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Clark
Sent: 24 August 2005 18:36
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: [AccessD] Logic issue

Hi all

I am having trouble working out how I want to go about something, and I am
hoping somebody here can give me a nudge. It doesn't sound difficult, but
I'm running into dead-ends. I am starting to think that I will just have to
go ahead and finish up with "whatever" and work around things.

I am doing a project for a district attorney's office, and it will basically
just keep tabs on everybody that passes through the system. The problem is
though that there are "Defendants", defense lawyers, prosecuting lawyers,
judges, and victims, and it isn't rare for a single person to cross into
multiple lists. And, theoretically, it is possible to be in all lists. For
instance there are many prosecuting lawyers that become defense attorneys,
and it is not unlikely that one of these attorneys could be a judge in the
future. That scenario is very possible, and you can add it that a lawyer is
very able to be a victim, and hell, we all know they can be criminals ;)
Another scenario that happens very frequently, is that a person is both a
defendant and a victim. 

I don't want the person entering data to scroll through hundreds, and
eventually thousands, of names to pick an attorney's name from among the
list of everybody else in the system.

The idea I am working on presently is to add logical fields for each
designation to the table of names. For instances:

kNameID
txtLastName
txtFirstName
txtMI
txtSuffix
logAttorney
logADA
logJudge
logVictim
logDefendant

If I do this, I will have removed some fields that are currently there, such
as:

txtAddress1
txtAddress2
txtCity
txtSt
txtZip
txtPhone

And, I will put these in another linked table. There may be a need to have
multiple addresses for the defendants, so this would be best I think.

The problem that I am foreseeing here...I'm not at that point, so my fears
could be unfounded...is setting these fields to true and/or false, as
needed.  Basically, thinking of victims for a minute here, the defendant
screen, which will actually be an "Indictment" screen, will have a subform
to hold potentially many victims for the indictment. If a victim IS already
in the system as something else, I will need to tag that name as a victim
and I'm wondering if this will present difficulties.

Well, I hope I am being clear enough. If anyone out there has any tips for
me, I would greatly appreciate it if you would pass them along.

Thank you!

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From john at winhaven.net  Thu Aug 25 12:58:52 2005
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 12:58:52 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Zip files (was Logic issue)
In-Reply-To: <0ILS00D8HGFGA5@l-daemon>
Message-ID: <200508251758.j7PHwtR17189@databaseadvisors.com>

Jim,
Best to just rename the file as Debbie mentioned earlier. Many AV gateways
won't allow double extensions through as this was a virus tactic for a time.
The files would be named text.jpg.exe and other similar ways to fool the
recipient into thinking it was simply a graphic.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence

Hi Lambert:

But that can always be got around by simply sending your ZIP file named like
MYZipFile.ZIP.txt. 



From dwaters at usinternet.com  Thu Aug 25 13:13:16 2005
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 11:13:16 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Zip files (was Logic issue)
In-Reply-To: <24025584.1124993213535.JavaMail.root@sniper17>
Message-ID: <000001c5a9a0$aada9380$0518820a@danwaters>

Interesting!

While I can't send an .mdb file as an attachment, if I change mdb to pdf,
then it goes through just fine.  Then my customer changes it back to mdb and
installs the new objects.

Dan Waters

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 10:59 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Zip files (was Logic issue)

Jim,
Best to just rename the file as Debbie mentioned earlier. Many AV gateways
won't allow double extensions through as this was a virus tactic for a time.
The files would be named text.jpg.exe and other similar ways to fool the
recipient into thinking it was simply a graphic.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence

Hi Lambert:

But that can always be got around by simply sending your ZIP file named like
MYZipFile.ZIP.txt. 

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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Thu Aug 25 13:59:13 2005
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 11:59:13 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Change of circumstances
References: <20050825100803.49431.qmail@web50101.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <430E1501.5080907@shaw.ca>

She prefers people that have worked together or agreed in advance.
I have seen Public Service ads looking for people to fill the other half 
position..
The biggest problem is sorting out benefits, do they have enough hours 
to qualify
for Unemployment Insurance or whatever you call the Dole.


Roz Clarke wrote:

>A good idea. Public bodies here are also much more flexible than most commercial employers, and
>try to encourage jobshare and so on.
>
>Do people have to provide their own partners, or does she pair them up?
>
>--- MartyConnelly <martyconnelly at shaw.ca> wrote:
>
>  
>
>>One thing to check out is the split day's type of jobs, especially in 
>>the civil service
>>In other words you get a partner and one works 2 days, the other 3 days.
>>My sisterinlaw did this in her government department in Alberta so 
>>people could attend university.
>>during the day. She is in charge of HR. Wouldn't work for engineers they 
>>have 40 class hours a week,
>>but arts generally have less then 20 hours. Now she is getting request 
>>from women with autistic kids etc.
>>She calls the programmers doing this extreme programmers with some lag.
>>The participants set up there own internal blog to keep track of what is 
>>happening.
>>
>>Roz Clarke wrote:
>>
>>    
>>
>>>Well remembered John, I will do
>>>
>>>:)
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: Johncliviger at aol.com [mailto:Johncliviger at aol.com] 
>>>Sent: 24 August 2005 12:24
>>>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Change of circumstances
>>>
>>>
>>>Roz
>>>
>>>I think your are in the Manchester, England area, if I'm right email me a
>>>cv 
>>>at _databaseuk at aol.com_ (mailto:databaseuk at aol.com) 
>>>
>>>John
>>> 
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>-- 
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>>Victoria, B.C.
>>Canada
>>
>>
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From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com  Thu Aug 25 14:00:33 2005
From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 15:00:33 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Zip files (was Logic issue)
Message-ID: <1D7828CDB8350747AFE9D69E0E90DA1F14EA4297@xlivmbx21.aig.com>

Interesting.

I *think* I understand what you mean by "The compression algorithm of the
ZIP alters that signature stream.": i.e. if you just scan the bytes that
make up the zip file you will not see the signature. But my organization
runs scanning s/w that unzips the zip file to check the contents, and it
does this at a fairly deep level. For example, .exe files are blocked, and
Zip files are not. But if you try to send a Zip file that contains an EXE
file, that will be blocked. In addition, if you rename the EXE before adding
it to the ZIP file it will *still* get blocked because the scanning s/w
looks at the (renamed) EXE file and sees its signature first few bytes and
detects the EXE that way.

I confess I have not heard of any code being executed as a result of
unzipping a ZIP file (with the exception of unzip tools like Winzip which
will detect a setup.exe or a .msi file and will offer to run the install
routine).

Lambert

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 1:26 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Zip files (was Logic issue)


Hi Lambert:

In theory virus can be hidden within a ZIP file and virus scanning programs
can not see them as a signature stream of values are required for virus
identification. The compression algorithm of the ZIP alters that signature
stream. Also some tricky code within a so called ZIP file can activate in
the process of unzipping the ZIP file.

But that can always be got around by simply sending your ZIP file named like
MYZipFile.ZIP.txt. When on one contract this technique was used by the local
IT people to slip ZIP files through the filters and then the first dot and
extension were removed. The ZIP files were then unzipped in isolation and
tested before being introduced on LAN
 
A little paranoid? You bet but at one government office, a couple of years
ago, a BlasterWorm got in through a similar method and the result was that a
couple of Ministries were down off and on for the better part of a month.
Put a price tag on that incident.

My two cents worth
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 8:58 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Zip files (was Logic issue)

IMHO it's caused by IT people who are too paranoid by far. They invest
thousands on virus scanning software, keep updating the sig files every 24
hours, but in the end they don't trust it to weed out the viruses coming at
them via ZIP files. Rather than scanning the contents of ZIP files they
blindly block them. Also, don't the realize that most (All?) antivirus
programs can be set to scan files when they are opened and or written to
disk? So even if a zip file does have a virus, the anti-virus package should
kill it.

Lambert

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 11:21 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Zip files (was Logic issue)


Does anyone know what the logic is for blocking zip files?  I run into this
occasionally and it drives me nuts!  You zip files to avoid the filters that
won't accept an mdb, etc., and then you run into filters that won't accept
the zip files.  Oops, Catch-22.  That drumming you hear is my head pounding
against the wall ....

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: John Clark [mailto:John.Clark at niagaracounty.com] 
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 5:08 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Logic issue


Yes Frank, I always like to checkout someone's ideas...I learn so much more
than any book can teach. My address is john.clark at niagaracounty.com


If this is a zip file, change the extention to something like .zp, because
we block .zip files.

John W. Clark
Computer Programmer
Niagara County
Central Data Processing

>>> frank at fhsservices.co.uk 8/24/2005 5:21 PM >>>
Here's a different solution!
If you have a checkbox for each title or position that can be applicable to
each person represented through the database then, on the client form of any
of people the list the checkboxes will indicate positives for the applicable
option. So, Jack Jones can have the boxes ticked for Defence attorney,
prosecuting attorney, Judge etc. etc. The final checkbox (no 9 on my sample)
can be set to "Other" and have an associated textbox in the table which will
only be displayed it no 9 is ticked and the text will be entered into the
open, blank textbox for storage and later retrieval. The trick here is to
combine the bit value of each checkbox to obtain a unique value for the
combination of boxes ticked. I have a small database of the principle as a
working example which I can forward to anybody who would like to see it. The
AccessD list is limited to a 30K unit size and will not allow me to attach
the sample to this text

Kind regards,
 
Frank Hill

Kind regards,
 
Frank Hill

 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Clark
Sent: 24 August 2005 18:36
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: [AccessD] Logic issue

Hi all

I am having trouble working out how I want to go about something, and I am
hoping somebody here can give me a nudge. It doesn't sound difficult, but
I'm running into dead-ends. I am starting to think that I will just have to
go ahead and finish up with "whatever" and work around things.

I am doing a project for a district attorney's office, and it will basically
just keep tabs on everybody that passes through the system. The problem is
though that there are "Defendants", defense lawyers, prosecuting lawyers,
judges, and victims, and it isn't rare for a single person to cross into
multiple lists. And, theoretically, it is possible to be in all lists. For
instance there are many prosecuting lawyers that become defense attorneys,
and it is not unlikely that one of these attorneys could be a judge in the
future. That scenario is very possible, and you can add it that a lawyer is
very able to be a victim, and hell, we all know they can be criminals ;)
Another scenario that happens very frequently, is that a person is both a
defendant and a victim. 

I don't want the person entering data to scroll through hundreds, and
eventually thousands, of names to pick an attorney's name from among the
list of everybody else in the system.

The idea I am working on presently is to add logical fields for each
designation to the table of names. For instances:

kNameID
txtLastName
txtFirstName
txtMI
txtSuffix
logAttorney
logADA
logJudge
logVictim
logDefendant

If I do this, I will have removed some fields that are currently there, such
as:

txtAddress1
txtAddress2
txtCity
txtSt
txtZip
txtPhone

And, I will put these in another linked table. There may be a need to have
multiple addresses for the defendants, so this would be best I think.

The problem that I am foreseeing here...I'm not at that point, so my fears
could be unfounded...is setting these fields to true and/or false, as
needed.  Basically, thinking of victims for a minute here, the defendant
screen, which will actually be an "Indictment" screen, will have a subform
to hold potentially many victims for the indictment. If a victim IS already
in the system as something else, I will need to tag that name as a victim
and I'm wondering if this will present difficulties.

Well, I hope I am being clear enough. If anyone out there has any tips for
me, I would greatly appreciate it if you would pass them along.

Thank you!

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From john at winhaven.net  Thu Aug 25 14:03:15 2005
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 14:03:15 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Zip files (was Logic issue)
In-Reply-To: <000001c5a9a0$aada9380$0518820a@danwaters>
Message-ID: <200508251903.j7PJ3HR00899@databaseadvisors.com>

Yes, as long as it has an acceptable extension on it should go through. This
is a seriously flawed approach to gateway security but then, there are some
seriously flawed gateway admins :o) 

Although in some instances this is the quick and easy work around, I have
changed my practices to send an email which includes instructions to
download from my FTP site rather than "fooling" the gateway security
scanners. One reason is because they do change the gateway settings now and
then. A couple of customers can no longer receive attachments at all. Seems
insane...


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters

Interesting!

While I can't send an .mdb file as an attachment, if I change mdb to pdf,
then it goes through just fine.  Then my customer changes it back to mdb and
installs the new objects.

Dan Waters



From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Thu Aug 25 14:06:48 2005
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 12:06:48 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Control codes to a printer
References: <s30dd6cc.074@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <430E16C8.5030303@shaw.ca>

RS232 to TCP/IP Converter
There is a trial software for win98 but might be overkill,
since it is designed for two way communication.

It is $250

http://www.taltech.com/products/tcpcom.html

Gustav Brock wrote:

>Hi John
>
>Are you sure you need to do this?
>Can't you set the printer to auto cut?
>
>I've never seen the syntax Stewart presents, neither a method for
>sending hex (control) codes to a printer from Access.
>However, this page may help you:
>
>How do I Control an Epson Receipt Printer with Visual Basic?
>http://www.posworld.com/eprecprinvis.html 
>
>It demonstrates the use of a special "Control font" which doesn't print
>but transforms some chars to some hex code sequences.
>
>/gustav
>
>  
>
>>>>jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 24-08-2005 23:29 >>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>I need to send a series of hex characters to an Epson receipt printer
>to
>execute the cutting.  Hex characters are 1d 56 42 20  The printer is
>TCP/IP
>so I have an IP address stored in a table and hidden in a form that is
>open
>when the print command is executed.  This is a Win98 environment. 
>Does
>anyone already have something similar.
>
>John W. Colby
>www.ColbyConsulting.com 
>
>  
>

-- 
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Victoria, B.C.
Canada





From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Thu Aug 25 14:14:52 2005
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 12:14:52 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Zip files (was Logic issue)
References: <0ILS00D8HGFGA5@l-daemon>
Message-ID: <430E18AC.6000202@shaw.ca>

There used to be an old problem hiding ANSI bombs in ZIP files that 
executed on opening ZIP files with PKZIP.
I still have the code somewhere to do it. But MS patched the ANSI.SYS file.
I don't think anyone is still running unpatched DOS 3.2

Jim Lawrence wrote:

>Hi Lambert:
>
>In theory virus can be hidden within a ZIP file and virus scanning programs
>can not see them as a signature stream of values are required for virus
>identification. The compression algorithm of the ZIP alters that signature
>stream. Also some tricky code within a so called ZIP file can activate in
>the process of unzipping the ZIP file.
>
>But that can always be got around by simply sending your ZIP file named like
>MYZipFile.ZIP.txt. When on one contract this technique was used by the local
>IT people to slip ZIP files through the filters and then the first dot and
>extension were removed. The ZIP files were then unzipped in isolation and
>tested before being introduced on LAN
> 
>A little paranoid? You bet but at one government office, a couple of years
>ago, a BlasterWorm got in through a similar method and the result was that a
>couple of Ministries were down off and on for the better part of a month.
>Put a price tag on that incident.
>
>My two cents worth
>Jim
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert
>Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 8:58 AM
>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Zip files (was Logic issue)
>
>IMHO it's caused by IT people who are too paranoid by far. They invest
>thousands on virus scanning software, keep updating the sig files every 24
>hours, but in the end they don't trust it to weed out the viruses coming at
>them via ZIP files. Rather than scanning the contents of ZIP files they
>blindly block them. Also, don't the realize that most (All?) antivirus
>programs can be set to scan files when they are opened and or written to
>disk? So even if a zip file does have a virus, the anti-virus package should
>kill it.
>
>Lambert
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
>Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 11:21 AM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Zip files (was Logic issue)
>
>
>Does anyone know what the logic is for blocking zip files?  I run into this
>occasionally and it drives me nuts!  You zip files to avoid the filters that
>won't accept an mdb, etc., and then you run into filters that won't accept
>the zip files.  Oops, Catch-22.  That drumming you hear is my head pounding
>against the wall ....
>
>Charlotte Foust
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: John Clark [mailto:John.Clark at niagaracounty.com] 
>Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 5:08 AM
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Logic issue
>
>
>Yes Frank, I always like to checkout someone's ideas...I learn so much more
>than any book can teach. My address is john.clark at niagaracounty.com
>
>
>If this is a zip file, change the extention to something like .zp, because
>we block .zip files.
>
>John W. Clark
>Computer Programmer
>Niagara County
>Central Data Processing
>
>  
>
>>>>frank at fhsservices.co.uk 8/24/2005 5:21 PM >>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>Here's a different solution!
>If you have a checkbox for each title or position that can be applicable to
>each person represented through the database then, on the client form of any
>of people the list the checkboxes will indicate positives for the applicable
>option. So, Jack Jones can have the boxes ticked for Defence attorney,
>prosecuting attorney, Judge etc. etc. The final checkbox (no 9 on my sample)
>can be set to "Other" and have an associated textbox in the table which will
>only be displayed it no 9 is ticked and the text will be entered into the
>open, blank textbox for storage and later retrieval. The trick here is to
>combine the bit value of each checkbox to obtain a unique value for the
>combination of boxes ticked. I have a small database of the principle as a
>working example which I can forward to anybody who would like to see it. The
>AccessD list is limited to a 30K unit size and will not allow me to attach
>the sample to this text
>
>Kind regards,
> 
>Frank Hill
>
>Kind regards,
> 
>Frank Hill
>
> 
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Clark
>Sent: 24 August 2005 18:36
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
>Subject: [AccessD] Logic issue
>
>Hi all
>
>I am having trouble working out how I want to go about something, and I am
>hoping somebody here can give me a nudge. It doesn't sound difficult, but
>I'm running into dead-ends. I am starting to think that I will just have to
>go ahead and finish up with "whatever" and work around things.
>
>I am doing a project for a district attorney's office, and it will basically
>just keep tabs on everybody that passes through the system. The problem is
>though that there are "Defendants", defense lawyers, prosecuting lawyers,
>judges, and victims, and it isn't rare for a single person to cross into
>multiple lists. And, theoretically, it is possible to be in all lists. For
>instance there are many prosecuting lawyers that become defense attorneys,
>and it is not unlikely that one of these attorneys could be a judge in the
>future. That scenario is very possible, and you can add it that a lawyer is
>very able to be a victim, and hell, we all know they can be criminals ;)
>Another scenario that happens very frequently, is that a person is both a
>defendant and a victim. 
>
>I don't want the person entering data to scroll through hundreds, and
>eventually thousands, of names to pick an attorney's name from among the
>list of everybody else in the system.
>
>The idea I am working on presently is to add logical fields for each
>designation to the table of names. For instances:
>
>kNameID
>txtLastName
>txtFirstName
>txtMI
>txtSuffix
>logAttorney
>logADA
>logJudge
>logVictim
>logDefendant
>
>If I do this, I will have removed some fields that are currently there, such
>as:
>
>txtAddress1
>txtAddress2
>txtCity
>txtSt
>txtZip
>txtPhone
>
>And, I will put these in another linked table. There may be a need to have
>multiple addresses for the defendants, so this would be best I think.
>
>The problem that I am foreseeing here...I'm not at that point, so my fears
>could be unfounded...is setting these fields to true and/or false, as
>needed.  Basically, thinking of victims for a minute here, the defendant
>screen, which will actually be an "Indictment" screen, will have a subform
>to hold potentially many victims for the indictment. If a victim IS already
>in the system as something else, I will need to tag that name as a victim
>and I'm wondering if this will present difficulties.
>
>Well, I hope I am being clear enough. If anyone out there has any tips for
>me, I would greatly appreciate it if you would pass them along.
>
>Thank you!
>
>John W Clark
>  
>

-- 
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada





From prodevmg at yahoo.com  Thu Aug 25 14:21:11 2005
From: prodevmg at yahoo.com (Lonnie Johnson)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 12:21:11 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] How to find missing DLL's
Message-ID: <20050825192111.45705.qmail@web33105.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I created a database for a friend that gets data from an excel file.

I added two references...

1. Microsoft Excel 10.0 Object Libray (for apparent reasons for my statement above)
2. Microsoft Office 10.0 Object Libray (in order to show a Open File Dialog Box to allow them to pick the excel file to pull into the app)

He does not have these references on his machine. Should he re-install MS Access, the entire MS Office or get the DLL's from somewhere and put them on his machine? If he needs to get them and put them on, what does he get? I cannot see the actual file name because the path is too long in the references box.

Thanks. 



May God bless you beyond your imagination!
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ProDev, Professional Development of MS Access Databases
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Aug 25 14:23:54 2005
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 12:23:54 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Zip files (was Logic issue)
In-Reply-To: <1D7828CDB8350747AFE9D69E0E90DA1F14EA4297@xlivmbx21.aig.com>
Message-ID: <0ILS0095TLVTAW@l-daemon>

Hi Lambert:

Within a ZIP file there is a header that stores the file names, uncompressed
file size, what type of compression method was used, and a pointer to the
file location within the zip. As far as I know this header is not really
compressed so that an Unzip routine can quickly scan for initial setup and
gives a user the option of selecting which file(s) to extract.

My preference is to use the RAR compression program. It is like Winzip in
that it is free for the standard version but has options that allow a much
higher level of compression, can compress whole hard drives, with its lower
profile has not as of yet had its format hacked and passes through email
filters without issue. (http://www.win-rar.com)

My four cents worth
Jim     

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 12:01 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Zip files (was Logic issue)

Interesting.

I *think* I understand what you mean by "The compression algorithm of the
ZIP alters that signature stream.": i.e. if you just scan the bytes that
make up the zip file you will not see the signature. But my organization
runs scanning s/w that unzips the zip file to check the contents, and it
does this at a fairly deep level. For example, .exe files are blocked, and
Zip files are not. But if you try to send a Zip file that contains an EXE
file, that will be blocked. In addition, if you rename the EXE before adding
it to the ZIP file it will *still* get blocked because the scanning s/w
looks at the (renamed) EXE file and sees its signature first few bytes and
detects the EXE that way.

I confess I have not heard of any code being executed as a result of
unzipping a ZIP file (with the exception of unzip tools like Winzip which
will detect a setup.exe or a .msi file and will offer to run the install
routine).

Lambert

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 1:26 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Zip files (was Logic issue)


Hi Lambert:

In theory virus can be hidden within a ZIP file and virus scanning programs
can not see them as a signature stream of values are required for virus
identification. The compression algorithm of the ZIP alters that signature
stream. Also some tricky code within a so called ZIP file can activate in
the process of unzipping the ZIP file.

But that can always be got around by simply sending your ZIP file named like
MYZipFile.ZIP.txt. When on one contract this technique was used by the local
IT people to slip ZIP files through the filters and then the first dot and
extension were removed. The ZIP files were then unzipped in isolation and
tested before being introduced on LAN
 
A little paranoid? You bet but at one government office, a couple of years
ago, a BlasterWorm got in through a similar method and the result was that a
couple of Ministries were down off and on for the better part of a month.
Put a price tag on that incident.

My two cents worth
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 8:58 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Zip files (was Logic issue)

IMHO it's caused by IT people who are too paranoid by far. They invest
thousands on virus scanning software, keep updating the sig files every 24
hours, but in the end they don't trust it to weed out the viruses coming at
them via ZIP files. Rather than scanning the contents of ZIP files they
blindly block them. Also, don't the realize that most (All?) antivirus
programs can be set to scan files when they are opened and or written to
disk? So even if a zip file does have a virus, the anti-virus package should
kill it.

Lambert

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 11:21 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Zip files (was Logic issue)


Does anyone know what the logic is for blocking zip files?  I run into this
occasionally and it drives me nuts!  You zip files to avoid the filters that
won't accept an mdb, etc., and then you run into filters that won't accept
the zip files.  Oops, Catch-22.  That drumming you hear is my head pounding
against the wall ....

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: John Clark [mailto:John.Clark at niagaracounty.com] 
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 5:08 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Logic issue


Yes Frank, I always like to checkout someone's ideas...I learn so much more
than any book can teach. My address is john.clark at niagaracounty.com


If this is a zip file, change the extention to something like .zp, because
we block .zip files.

John W. Clark
Computer Programmer
Niagara County
Central Data Processing

>>> frank at fhsservices.co.uk 8/24/2005 5:21 PM >>>
Here's a different solution!
If you have a checkbox for each title or position that can be applicable to
each person represented through the database then, on the client form of any
of people the list the checkboxes will indicate positives for the applicable
option. So, Jack Jones can have the boxes ticked for Defence attorney,
prosecuting attorney, Judge etc. etc. The final checkbox (no 9 on my sample)
can be set to "Other" and have an associated textbox in the table which will
only be displayed it no 9 is ticked and the text will be entered into the
open, blank textbox for storage and later retrieval. The trick here is to
combine the bit value of each checkbox to obtain a unique value for the
combination of boxes ticked. I have a small database of the principle as a
working example which I can forward to anybody who would like to see it. The
AccessD list is limited to a 30K unit size and will not allow me to attach
the sample to this text

Kind regards,
 
Frank Hill

Kind regards,
 
Frank Hill

 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Clark
Sent: 24 August 2005 18:36
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: [AccessD] Logic issue

Hi all

I am having trouble working out how I want to go about something, and I am
hoping somebody here can give me a nudge. It doesn't sound difficult, but
I'm running into dead-ends. I am starting to think that I will just have to
go ahead and finish up with "whatever" and work around things.

I am doing a project for a district attorney's office, and it will basically
just keep tabs on everybody that passes through the system. The problem is
though that there are "Defendants", defense lawyers, prosecuting lawyers,
judges, and victims, and it isn't rare for a single person to cross into
multiple lists. And, theoretically, it is possible to be in all lists. For
instance there are many prosecuting lawyers that become defense attorneys,
and it is not unlikely that one of these attorneys could be a judge in the
future. That scenario is very possible, and you can add it that a lawyer is
very able to be a victim, and hell, we all know they can be criminals ;)
Another scenario that happens very frequently, is that a person is both a
defendant and a victim. 

I don't want the person entering data to scroll through hundreds, and
eventually thousands, of names to pick an attorney's name from among the
list of everybody else in the system.

The idea I am working on presently is to add logical fields for each
designation to the table of names. For instances:

kNameID
txtLastName
txtFirstName
txtMI
txtSuffix
logAttorney
logADA
logJudge
logVictim
logDefendant

If I do this, I will have removed some fields that are currently there, such
as:

txtAddress1
txtAddress2
txtCity
txtSt
txtZip
txtPhone

And, I will put these in another linked table. There may be a need to have
multiple addresses for the defendants, so this would be best I think.

The problem that I am foreseeing here...I'm not at that point, so my fears
could be unfounded...is setting these fields to true and/or false, as
needed.  Basically, thinking of victims for a minute here, the defendant
screen, which will actually be an "Indictment" screen, will have a subform
to hold potentially many victims for the indictment. If a victim IS already
in the system as something else, I will need to tag that name as a victim
and I'm wondering if this will present difficulties.

Well, I hope I am being clear enough. If anyone out there has any tips for
me, I would greatly appreciate it if you would pass them along.

Thank you!

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From john at winhaven.net  Thu Aug 25 14:30:57 2005
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 14:30:57 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Zip files (was Logic issue)
In-Reply-To: <430E18AC.6000202@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <200508251931.j7PJV0R07977@databaseadvisors.com>

LOL!

Well, maybe some of the governments units around here are!

I have govt. client that has to keep a win9x PC around because one of the
apps they have to use will not run on WinXP and the agency that publishes it
laid off all programers (and won't pay for a contractor) so they can't
upgrade it to work on WinXP.

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I don't think anyone is still running unpatched DOS 3.2



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Aug 25 14:36:05 2005
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 15:36:05 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] How to find missing DLL's
In-Reply-To: <20050825192111.45705.qmail@web33105.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <01f401c5a9ac$419c0460$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

Use late binding instead.  Dim your objects object instead of excel.sheet
etc.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 3:21 PM
To: AccessD solving'
Subject: [AccessD] How to find missing DLL's


I created a database for a friend that gets data from an excel file.

I added two references...

1. Microsoft Excel 10.0 Object Libray (for apparent reasons for my statement
above) 2. Microsoft Office 10.0 Object Libray (in order to show a Open File
Dialog Box to allow them to pick the excel file to pull into the app)

He does not have these references on his machine. Should he re-install MS
Access, the entire MS Office or get the DLL's from somewhere and put them on
his machine? If he needs to get them and put them on, what does he get? I
cannot see the actual file name because the path is too long in the
references box.

Thanks. 



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From john at winhaven.net  Thu Aug 25 14:40:27 2005
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 14:40:27 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Zip files (was Logic issue)
In-Reply-To: <1D7828CDB8350747AFE9D69E0E90DA1F14EA4297@xlivmbx21.aig.com>
Message-ID: <200508251940.j7PJeTR10739@databaseadvisors.com>

Winzip (like many zip tools) can call the installed AV program to scan on
decompression, which should eliminate this issue.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert

I confess I have not heard of any code being executed as a result of
unzipping a ZIP file (with the exception of unzip tools like Winzip which
will detect a setup.exe or a .msi file and will offer to run the install
routine).

Lambert



From john at winhaven.net  Thu Aug 25 14:40:27 2005
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 14:40:27 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Zip files (was Logic issue)
In-Reply-To: <1D7828CDB8350747AFE9D69E0E90DA1F14EA4297@xlivmbx21.aig.com>
Message-ID: <200508251940.j7PJeUR10745@databaseadvisors.com>

Which is the correct manner of scanning and hence my switch to ftp
instructions, but your shop is ahead of the curve on this. 

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert

But if you try to send a Zip file that contains an EXE file, that will be
blocked. In addition, if you rename the EXE before adding it to the ZIP file
it will *still* get blocked because the scanning s/w looks at the (renamed)
EXE file and sees its signature first few bytes and detects the EXE that
way.



From mikedorism at verizon.net  Thu Aug 25 14:49:57 2005
From: mikedorism at verizon.net (Mike & Doris Manning)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 15:49:57 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] How to find missing DLL's
In-Reply-To: <20050825192111.45705.qmail@web33105.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000001c5a9ae$2ca6f4f0$2e01a8c0@dorismanning>

It sounds like they have a lower or higher version of Office.  The easiest
way around this is not to use references and do late binding using
"CreateObject" and "GetObject".

Doris Manning
mikedorism at verizon.net




From prodevmg at yahoo.com  Thu Aug 25 15:03:47 2005
From: prodevmg at yahoo.com (Lonnie Johnson)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 13:03:47 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] How to find missing DLL's
In-Reply-To: <000001c5a9ae$2ca6f4f0$2e01a8c0@dorismanning>
Message-ID: <20050825200347.77008.qmail@web33111.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Thanks Doris,
 
That works for the Excel issue but how do I apply this to number two?
 
1. Microsoft Excel 10.0 Object Libray (for apparent reasons for my statement above)
2. Microsoft Office 10.0 Object Libray (in order to show a Open File Dialog Box to allow them to pick the excel file to pull into the app)

 Thanks.


Mike & Doris Manning <mikedorism at verizon.net> wrote:
It sounds like they have a lower or higher version of Office. The easiest
way around this is not to use references and do late binding using
"CreateObject" and "GetObject".

Doris Manning
mikedorism at verizon.net


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From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com  Thu Aug 25 15:12:38 2005
From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 16:12:38 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Zip files (was Logic issue)
Message-ID: <1D7828CDB8350747AFE9D69E0E90DA1F14EA42F4@xlivmbx21.aig.com>

I totally agree. If you are going to the trouble of scanning zip file
contents it makes no sense at all to rely on the file extensions.

But even my shop's method has a gaping hole. If the zip file has encrypted
files in it the scanner gives up, adds a message to the effect that the file
was not scanned and passes it on to the intended recipient. Not such a good
idea.

Lambert

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Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 3:40 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Zip files (was Logic issue)


Which is the correct manner of scanning and hence my switch to ftp
instructions, but your shop is ahead of the curve on this. 

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But if you try to send a Zip file that contains an EXE file, that will be
blocked. In addition, if you rename the EXE before adding it to the ZIP file
it will *still* get blocked because the scanning s/w looks at the (renamed)
EXE file and sees its signature first few bytes and detects the EXE that
way.

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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Thu Aug 25 15:27:19 2005
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 13:27:19 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] How to find missing DLL's
References: <20050825192111.45705.qmail@web33105.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <430E29A7.5090002@shaw.ca>

What version of Office is he running, if 2000 replace reference 10.0 
with 9.0 or if 2003 10.0 with 11.0 versions.
Did he do a full install of Office or a selective one. ie. installed 
access but skipped excel or parts thereof.

Also if using
 Dim objFD As Office.FileDialog
Set objFD = Application.FileDialog(msoFile?DialogFolderPicker)
This wont run in Access 2000 and I think in 2002 MDE

Replacing the dll's is very iffy because they may need a cascade of 
other dll's to function

If all else fails you can use the open file dialog api calls from 
www.mvps.org/access
and read the excel file via ado or late binding calls


Lonnie Johnson wrote:

>I created a database for a friend that gets data from an excel file.
>
>I added two references...
>
>1. Microsoft Excel 10.0 Object Libray (for apparent reasons for my statement above)
>2. Microsoft Office 10.0 Object Libray (in order to show a Open File Dialog Box to allow them to pick the excel file to pull into the app)
>
>He does not have these references on his machine. Should he re-install MS Access, the entire MS Office or get the DLL's from somewhere and put them on his machine? If he needs to get them and put them on, what does he get? I cannot see the actual file name because the path is too long in the references box.
>
>Thanks. 
>
>
>
>May God bless you beyond your imagination!
>Lonnie Johnson
>ProDev, Professional Development of MS Access Databases
>Visit me at ==> http://www.prodev.us
>
>
>
>
>
> 
>
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From prodevmg at yahoo.com  Thu Aug 25 15:56:54 2005
From: prodevmg at yahoo.com (Lonnie Johnson)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 13:56:54 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] How to find missing DLL's
In-Reply-To: <430E29A7.5090002@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <20050825205654.23463.qmail@web33110.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Thanks Marty!!! 
The "If all else fails..." option is the one I chose. 
Thanks again.
 


MartyConnelly <martyconnelly at shaw.ca> wrote:
What version of Office is he running, if 2000 replace reference 10.0 
with 9.0 or if 2003 10.0 with 11.0 versions.
Did he do a full install of Office or a selective one. ie. installed 
access but skipped excel or parts thereof.

Also if using
Dim objFD As Office.FileDialog
Set objFD = Application.FileDialog(msoFile&shy;DialogFolderPicker)
This wont run in Access 2000 and I think in 2002 MDE

Replacing the dll's is very iffy because they may need a cascade of 
other dll's to function

If all else fails you can use the open file dialog api calls from 
www.mvps.org/access
and read the excel file via ado or late binding calls


Lonnie Johnson wrote:

>I created a database for a friend that gets data from an excel file.
>
>I added two references...
>
>1. Microsoft Excel 10.0 Object Libray (for apparent reasons for my statement above)
>2. Microsoft Office 10.0 Object Libray (in order to show a Open File Dialog Box to allow them to pick the excel file to pull into the app)
>
>He does not have these references on his machine. Should he re-install MS Access, the entire MS Office or get the DLL's from somewhere and put them on his machine? If he needs to get them and put them on, what does he get? I cannot see the actual file name because the path is too long in the references box.
>
>Thanks. 
>
>
>
>May God bless you beyond your imagination!
>Lonnie Johnson
>ProDev, Professional Development of MS Access Databases
>Visit me at ==> http://www.prodev.us
>
>
>
>
>
> 
>
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Aug 25 16:18:01 2005
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 07:18:01 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Field Sizes
In-Reply-To: <s30dab62.054@nebnov3.niagaracounty.com>
Message-ID: <430EC229.20195.713431B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

On 25 Aug 2005 at 11:27, John Clark wrote:

> I've got bigger problems right now, but I've meant to ask something
> forever and...well...today is the day, I guess. What do y'all use for
> standard sizes for typical text fields, such as Last Name, First Name,
> Address, City, etc.? Is there a "common practice rule" concerning this?
> 

We've had this discussion before <g>

255 characters.

Access doesn't use fixed length storage for strings and you don't save any 
space by defining text fields as less than the maximum allowable.  I change 
the default field size for text strings to 255 in Options and never change 
it for individual filed definitions.

All that restricting field sizes does for you is increase the risk of 
truncating data or throwing up error messages at the user sometime in the 
future.



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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu Aug 25 16:50:55 2005
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 14:50:55 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Field Sizes
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86873BFA@infoserver01.infostat.local>

We may have discussed it before, but that doesn't mean we all agreed!  I
object to 255 because in prior versions of Access I ran into problems of
"query too complex" when all the query fields were 255 because they
inherited the table widths.  If you don't want to save 255 characters in
a field, there is absolutely no point in making the field that wide! So,
there!! <g>

(Let the flames begin .... )

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Stuart McLachlan [mailto:stuart at lexacorp.com.pg] 
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 2:18 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Field Sizes


On 25 Aug 2005 at 11:27, John Clark wrote:

> I've got bigger problems right now, but I've meant to ask something 
> forever and...well...today is the day, I guess. What do y'all use for 
> standard sizes for typical text fields, such as Last Name, First Name,

> Address, City, etc.? Is there a "common practice rule" concerning 
> this?
> 

We've had this discussion before <g>

255 characters.

Access doesn't use fixed length storage for strings and you don't save
any 
space by defining text fields as less than the maximum allowable.  I
change 
the default field size for text strings to 255 in Options and never
change 
it for individual filed definitions.

All that restricting field sizes does for you is increase the risk of 
truncating data or throwing up error messages at the user sometime in
the 
future.



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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu Aug 25 16:58:11 2005
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 14:58:11 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Zip files (was Logic issue)
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86873BFB@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Actually, putting a couple of Ministries (or Federal Departments in the
US) out of action for the better part of a month might lead to more
sanity in government and THAT would be priceless!! ;-}

I have to disagree with you though.  My AV at work and a different one
at home happily scan zip files and the active components of those AV
programs prevent nasties from executing when you unzip the file.  The
MyZipFile.Zip.txt route was a virus workaround which had nothing to do
with the actual format of the file involved but led people who had
hidden know file extensions thinking they were dealing with a zip file
or vice versa.  Most gateways that I encounter these days don't let
multiple extensions through.



Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Lawrence [mailto:accessd at shaw.ca] 
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 10:26 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Zip files (was Logic issue)


Hi Lambert:

In theory virus can be hidden within a ZIP file and virus scanning
programs can not see them as a signature stream of values are required
for virus identification. The compression algorithm of the ZIP alters
that signature stream. Also some tricky code within a so called ZIP file
can activate in the process of unzipping the ZIP file.

But that can always be got around by simply sending your ZIP file named
like MYZipFile.ZIP.txt. When on one contract this technique was used by
the local IT people to slip ZIP files through the filters and then the
first dot and extension were removed. The ZIP files were then unzipped
in isolation and tested before being introduced on LAN
 
A little paranoid? You bet but at one government office, a couple of
years ago, a BlasterWorm got in through a similar method and the result
was that a couple of Ministries were down off and on for the better part
of a month. Put a price tag on that incident.

My two cents worth
Jim

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan,
Lambert
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 8:58 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Zip files (was Logic issue)

IMHO it's caused by IT people who are too paranoid by far. They invest
thousands on virus scanning software, keep updating the sig files every
24 hours, but in the end they don't trust it to weed out the viruses
coming at them via ZIP files. Rather than scanning the contents of ZIP
files they blindly block them. Also, don't the realize that most (All?)
antivirus programs can be set to scan files when they are opened and or
written to disk? So even if a zip file does have a virus, the anti-virus
package should kill it.

Lambert

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 11:21 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Zip files (was Logic issue)


Does anyone know what the logic is for blocking zip files?  I run into
this occasionally and it drives me nuts!  You zip files to avoid the
filters that won't accept an mdb, etc., and then you run into filters
that won't accept the zip files.  Oops, Catch-22.  That drumming you
hear is my head pounding against the wall ....

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: John Clark [mailto:John.Clark at niagaracounty.com] 
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 5:08 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Logic issue


Yes Frank, I always like to checkout someone's ideas...I learn so much
more than any book can teach. My address is john.clark at niagaracounty.com


If this is a zip file, change the extention to something like .zp,
because we block .zip files.

John W. Clark
Computer Programmer
Niagara County
Central Data Processing

>>> frank at fhsservices.co.uk 8/24/2005 5:21 PM >>>
Here's a different solution!
If you have a checkbox for each title or position that can be applicable
to each person represented through the database then, on the client form
of any of people the list the checkboxes will indicate positives for the
applicable option. So, Jack Jones can have the boxes ticked for Defence
attorney, prosecuting attorney, Judge etc. etc. The final checkbox (no 9
on my sample) can be set to "Other" and have an associated textbox in
the table which will only be displayed it no 9 is ticked and the text
will be entered into the open, blank textbox for storage and later
retrieval. The trick here is to combine the bit value of each checkbox
to obtain a unique value for the combination of boxes ticked. I have a
small database of the principle as a working example which I can forward
to anybody who would like to see it. The AccessD list is limited to a
30K unit size and will not allow me to attach the sample to this text

Kind regards,
 
Frank Hill

Kind regards,
 
Frank Hill

 

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Clark
Sent: 24 August 2005 18:36
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: [AccessD] Logic issue

Hi all

I am having trouble working out how I want to go about something, and I
am hoping somebody here can give me a nudge. It doesn't sound difficult,
but I'm running into dead-ends. I am starting to think that I will just
have to go ahead and finish up with "whatever" and work around things.

I am doing a project for a district attorney's office, and it will
basically just keep tabs on everybody that passes through the system.
The problem is though that there are "Defendants", defense lawyers,
prosecuting lawyers, judges, and victims, and it isn't rare for a single
person to cross into multiple lists. And, theoretically, it is possible
to be in all lists. For instance there are many prosecuting lawyers that
become defense attorneys, and it is not unlikely that one of these
attorneys could be a judge in the future. That scenario is very
possible, and you can add it that a lawyer is very able to be a victim,
and hell, we all know they can be criminals ;) Another scenario that
happens very frequently, is that a person is both a defendant and a
victim. 

I don't want the person entering data to scroll through hundreds, and
eventually thousands, of names to pick an attorney's name from among the
list of everybody else in the system.

The idea I am working on presently is to add logical fields for each
designation to the table of names. For instances:

kNameID
txtLastName
txtFirstName
txtMI
txtSuffix
logAttorney
logADA
logJudge
logVictim
logDefendant

If I do this, I will have removed some fields that are currently there,
such
as:

txtAddress1
txtAddress2
txtCity
txtSt
txtZip
txtPhone

And, I will put these in another linked table. There may be a need to
have multiple addresses for the defendants, so this would be best I
think.

The problem that I am foreseeing here...I'm not at that point, so my
fears could be unfounded...is setting these fields to true and/or false,
as needed.  Basically, thinking of victims for a minute here, the
defendant screen, which will actually be an "Indictment" screen, will
have a subform to hold potentially many victims for the indictment. If a
victim IS already in the system as something else, I will need to tag
that name as a victim and I'm wondering if this will present
difficulties.

Well, I hope I am being clear enough. If anyone out there has any tips
for me, I would greatly appreciate it if you would pass them along.

Thank you!

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu Aug 25 16:59:30 2005
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 14:59:30 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Zip files (was Logic issue)
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86873BFC@infoserver01.infostat.local>

But then you have to know that you are receiving a renamed zip file and
should do something with it.  An unopened zip file just sits there,
regardless of the extension, so what's the point?

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Elam, Debbie [mailto:DElam at jenkens.com] 
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 9:09 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Zip files (was Logic issue)


I know we temporarily block these files and several others.  It gives
the admins some time to scan before the file is delivered, but it does
get delivered.  Are you sure these are not getting through at all?

If they are never getting through, I have received some files with a
differently named extension.  Text.zip is renamed to Text.zi and gets
through.  I must rename it back before I can open it, but it works.

Debbie

-----Original Message-----
From: Heenan, Lambert [mailto:Lambert.Heenan at aig.com] 
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 10:58 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Zip files (was Logic issue)


IMHO it's caused by IT people who are too paranoid by far. They invest
thousands on virus scanning software, keep updating the sig files every
24 hours, but in the end they don't trust it to weed out the viruses
coming at them via ZIP files. Rather than scanning the contents of ZIP
files they blindly block them. Also, don't the realize that most (All?)
antivirus programs can be set to scan files when they are opened and or
written to disk? So even if a zip file does have a virus, the anti-virus
package should kill it.

Lambert

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 11:21 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Zip files (was Logic issue)


Does anyone know what the logic is for blocking zip files?  I run into
this occasionally and it drives me nuts!  You zip files to avoid the
filters that won't accept an mdb, etc., and then you run into filters
that won't accept the zip files.  Oops, Catch-22.  That drumming you
hear is my head pounding against the wall ....

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: John Clark [mailto:John.Clark at niagaracounty.com] 
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 5:08 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Logic issue


Yes Frank, I always like to checkout someone's ideas...I learn so much
more than any book can teach. My address is john.clark at niagaracounty.com


If this is a zip file, change the extention to something like .zp,
because we block .zip files.

John W. Clark
Computer Programmer
Niagara County
Central Data Processing

>>> frank at fhsservices.co.uk 8/24/2005 5:21 PM >>>
Here's a different solution!
If you have a checkbox for each title or position that can be applicable
to each person represented through the database then, on the client form
of any of people the list the checkboxes will indicate positives for the
applicable option. So, Jack Jones can have the boxes ticked for Defence
attorney, prosecuting attorney, Judge etc. etc. The final checkbox (no 9
on my sample) can be set to "Other" and have an associated textbox in
the table which will only be displayed it no 9 is ticked and the text
will be entered into the open, blank textbox for storage and later
retrieval. The trick here is to combine the bit value of each checkbox
to obtain a unique value for the combination of boxes ticked. I have a
small database of the principle as a working example which I can forward
to anybody who would like to see it. The AccessD list is limited to a
30K unit size and will not allow me to attach the sample to this text

Kind regards,
 
Frank Hill

Kind regards,
 
Frank Hill

 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Clark
Sent: 24 August 2005 18:36
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: [AccessD] Logic issue

Hi all

I am having trouble working out how I want to go about something, and I
am hoping somebody here can give me a nudge. It doesn't sound difficult,
but I'm running into dead-ends. I am starting to think that I will just
have to go ahead and finish up with "whatever" and work around things.

I am doing a project for a district attorney's office, and it will
basically just keep tabs on everybody that passes through the system.
The problem is though that there are "Defendants", defense lawyers,
prosecuting lawyers, judges, and victims, and it isn't rare for a single
person to cross into multiple lists. And, theoretically, it is possible
to be in all lists. For instance there are many prosecuting lawyers that
become defense attorneys, and it is not unlikely that one of these
attorneys could be a judge in the future. That scenario is very
possible, and you can add it that a lawyer is very able to be a victim,
and hell, we all know they can be criminals ;) Another scenario that
happens very frequently, is that a person is both a defendant and a
victim. 

I don't want the person entering data to scroll through hundreds, and
eventually thousands, of names to pick an attorney's name from among the
list of everybody else in the system.

The idea I am working on presently is to add logical fields for each
designation to the table of names. For instances:

kNameID
txtLastName
txtFirstName
txtMI
txtSuffix
logAttorney
logADA
logJudge
logVictim
logDefendant

If I do this, I will have removed some fields that are currently there,
such
as:

txtAddress1
txtAddress2
txtCity
txtSt
txtZip
txtPhone

And, I will put these in another linked table. There may be a need to
have multiple addresses for the defendants, so this would be best I
think.

The problem that I am foreseeing here...I'm not at that point, so my
fears could be unfounded...is setting these fields to true and/or false,
as needed.  Basically, thinking of victims for a minute here, the
defendant screen, which will actually be an "Indictment" screen, will
have a subform to hold potentially many victims for the indictment. If a
victim IS already in the system as something else, I will need to tag
that name as a victim and I'm wondering if this will present
difficulties.

Well, I hope I am being clear enough. If anyone out there has any tips
for me, I would greatly appreciate it if you would pass them along.

Thank you!

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From john at winhaven.net  Thu Aug 25 17:16:55 2005
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 17:16:55 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Zip files (was Logic issue)
In-Reply-To: <1D7828CDB8350747AFE9D69E0E90DA1F14EA42F4@xlivmbx21.aig.com>
Message-ID: <200508252216.j7PMGuR17833@databaseadvisors.com>

That's a tough one for sure.

If policy is to allow encrypted files get through then I would hope that
there are still local anti-virus scanners installed on all workstations and
that the message that goes with the non-scanned encrypted attachment would
instruct the user to update the local virus signature files before opening
and decrypting the attachment.

About the only other way to handle it is to divert it to a "safe machine"
and make the person open it there. That goes over like a lead balloon with
mgt. Though.


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert

I totally agree. If you are going to the trouble of scanning zip file
contents it makes no sense at all to rely on the file extensions.

But even my shop's method has a gaping hole. If the zip file has encrypted
files in it the scanner gives up, adds a message to the effect that the file
was not scanned and passes it on to the intended recipient. Not such a good
idea.

Lambert



From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Aug 25 19:11:22 2005
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 17:11:22 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Zip files (was Logic issue)
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86873BFC@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <0ILS00D16Z6WFT@l-daemon>

The issue was that certain people within an organization could not receive
ZIP files that held patches that they required for their applications. The
method of adding extra extensions or other methods of obfuscation were
merely attempts to circumnavigate the hard-wired file-blocking security. 

Anyone that would received such an attachment with their email would be
aware of what the attachment was for and might only need some associated
instructions on saving, renaming, scanning and running the file.

The extension file blocking is only meant to stop, malicious rouge broadcast
ZIP files and gullible users from ever getting together. 

Jim  

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 3:00 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Zip files (was Logic issue)

But then you have to know that you are receiving a renamed zip file and
should do something with it.  An unopened zip file just sits there,
regardless of the extension, so what's the point?

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Elam, Debbie [mailto:DElam at jenkens.com] 
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 9:09 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Zip files (was Logic issue)


I know we temporarily block these files and several others.  It gives
the admins some time to scan before the file is delivered, but it does
get delivered.  Are you sure these are not getting through at all?

If they are never getting through, I have received some files with a
differently named extension.  Text.zip is renamed to Text.zi and gets
through.  I must rename it back before I can open it, but it works.

Debbie

-----Original Message-----
From: Heenan, Lambert [mailto:Lambert.Heenan at aig.com] 
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 10:58 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Zip files (was Logic issue)


IMHO it's caused by IT people who are too paranoid by far. They invest
thousands on virus scanning software, keep updating the sig files every
24 hours, but in the end they don't trust it to weed out the viruses
coming at them via ZIP files. Rather than scanning the contents of ZIP
files they blindly block them. Also, don't the realize that most (All?)
antivirus programs can be set to scan files when they are opened and or
written to disk? So even if a zip file does have a virus, the anti-virus
package should kill it.

Lambert

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 11:21 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Zip files (was Logic issue)


Does anyone know what the logic is for blocking zip files?  I run into
this occasionally and it drives me nuts!  You zip files to avoid the
filters that won't accept an mdb, etc., and then you run into filters
that won't accept the zip files.  Oops, Catch-22.  That drumming you
hear is my head pounding against the wall ....

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: John Clark [mailto:John.Clark at niagaracounty.com] 
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 5:08 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Logic issue


Yes Frank, I always like to checkout someone's ideas...I learn so much
more than any book can teach. My address is john.clark at niagaracounty.com


If this is a zip file, change the extention to something like .zp,
because we block .zip files.

John W. Clark
Computer Programmer
Niagara County
Central Data Processing

>>> frank at fhsservices.co.uk 8/24/2005 5:21 PM >>>
Here's a different solution!
If you have a checkbox for each title or position that can be applicable
to each person represented through the database then, on the client form
of any of people the list the checkboxes will indicate positives for the
applicable option. So, Jack Jones can have the boxes ticked for Defence
attorney, prosecuting attorney, Judge etc. etc. The final checkbox (no 9
on my sample) can be set to "Other" and have an associated textbox in
the table which will only be displayed it no 9 is ticked and the text
will be entered into the open, blank textbox for storage and later
retrieval. The trick here is to combine the bit value of each checkbox
to obtain a unique value for the combination of boxes ticked. I have a
small database of the principle as a working example which I can forward
to anybody who would like to see it. The AccessD list is limited to a
30K unit size and will not allow me to attach the sample to this text

Kind regards,
 
Frank Hill

Kind regards,
 
Frank Hill

 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Clark
Sent: 24 August 2005 18:36
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: [AccessD] Logic issue

Hi all

I am having trouble working out how I want to go about something, and I
am hoping somebody here can give me a nudge. It doesn't sound difficult,
but I'm running into dead-ends. I am starting to think that I will just
have to go ahead and finish up with "whatever" and work around things.

I am doing a project for a district attorney's office, and it will
basically just keep tabs on everybody that passes through the system.
The problem is though that there are "Defendants", defense lawyers,
prosecuting lawyers, judges, and victims, and it isn't rare for a single
person to cross into multiple lists. And, theoretically, it is possible
to be in all lists. For instance there are many prosecuting lawyers that
become defense attorneys, and it is not unlikely that one of these
attorneys could be a judge in the future. That scenario is very
possible, and you can add it that a lawyer is very able to be a victim,
and hell, we all know they can be criminals ;) Another scenario that
happens very frequently, is that a person is both a defendant and a
victim. 

I don't want the person entering data to scroll through hundreds, and
eventually thousands, of names to pick an attorney's name from among the
list of everybody else in the system.

The idea I am working on presently is to add logical fields for each
designation to the table of names. For instances:

kNameID
txtLastName
txtFirstName
txtMI
txtSuffix
logAttorney
logADA
logJudge
logVictim
logDefendant

If I do this, I will have removed some fields that are currently there,
such
as:

txtAddress1
txtAddress2
txtCity
txtSt
txtZip
txtPhone

And, I will put these in another linked table. There may be a need to
have multiple addresses for the defendants, so this would be best I
think.

The problem that I am foreseeing here...I'm not at that point, so my
fears could be unfounded...is setting these fields to true and/or false,
as needed.  Basically, thinking of victims for a minute here, the
defendant screen, which will actually be an "Indictment" screen, will
have a subform to hold potentially many victims for the indictment. If a
victim IS already in the system as something else, I will need to tag
that name as a victim and I'm wondering if this will present
difficulties.

Well, I hope I am being clear enough. If anyone out there has any tips
for me, I would greatly appreciate it if you would pass them along.

Thank you!

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Aug 25 19:21:53 2005
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 17:21:53 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Zip files (was Logic issue)
In-Reply-To: <1D7828CDB8350747AFE9D69E0E90DA1F14EA4297@xlivmbx21.aig.com>
Message-ID: <0ILS00J1WZOG8N@l-daemon>

For that matter neither have I. I have indirectly heard it stated that there
have been virus hidden in a ZIP file but have never seem one up close. Here
is an article on the subject but whether it is just more fear mongering or
just a diversion for more blatant user errors is open for debate:
http://www.computerworld.com/securitytopics/security/virus/story/0,10801,898
97,00.html

Jim   

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 12:01 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Zip files (was Logic issue)

Interesting.

I *think* I understand what you mean by "The compression algorithm of the
ZIP alters that signature stream.": i.e. if you just scan the bytes that
make up the zip file you will not see the signature. But my organization
runs scanning s/w that unzips the zip file to check the contents, and it
does this at a fairly deep level. For example, .exe files are blocked, and
Zip files are not. But if you try to send a Zip file that contains an EXE
file, that will be blocked. In addition, if you rename the EXE before adding
it to the ZIP file it will *still* get blocked because the scanning s/w
looks at the (renamed) EXE file and sees its signature first few bytes and
detects the EXE that way.

I confess I have not heard of any code being executed as a result of
unzipping a ZIP file (with the exception of unzip tools like Winzip which
will detect a setup.exe or a .msi file and will offer to run the install
routine).

Lambert

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 1:26 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Zip files (was Logic issue)


Hi Lambert:

In theory virus can be hidden within a ZIP file and virus scanning programs
can not see them as a signature stream of values are required for virus
identification. The compression algorithm of the ZIP alters that signature
stream. Also some tricky code within a so called ZIP file can activate in
the process of unzipping the ZIP file.

But that can always be got around by simply sending your ZIP file named like
MYZipFile.ZIP.txt. When on one contract this technique was used by the local
IT people to slip ZIP files through the filters and then the first dot and
extension were removed. The ZIP files were then unzipped in isolation and
tested before being introduced on LAN
 
A little paranoid? You bet but at one government office, a couple of years
ago, a BlasterWorm got in through a similar method and the result was that a
couple of Ministries were down off and on for the better part of a month.
Put a price tag on that incident.

My two cents worth
Jim

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Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 8:58 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Zip files (was Logic issue)

IMHO it's caused by IT people who are too paranoid by far. They invest
thousands on virus scanning software, keep updating the sig files every 24
hours, but in the end they don't trust it to weed out the viruses coming at
them via ZIP files. Rather than scanning the contents of ZIP files they
blindly block them. Also, don't the realize that most (All?) antivirus
programs can be set to scan files when they are opened and or written to
disk? So even if a zip file does have a virus, the anti-virus package should
kill it.

Lambert

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 11:21 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Zip files (was Logic issue)


Does anyone know what the logic is for blocking zip files?  I run into this
occasionally and it drives me nuts!  You zip files to avoid the filters that
won't accept an mdb, etc., and then you run into filters that won't accept
the zip files.  Oops, Catch-22.  That drumming you hear is my head pounding
against the wall ....

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: John Clark [mailto:John.Clark at niagaracounty.com] 
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 5:08 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Logic issue


Yes Frank, I always like to checkout someone's ideas...I learn so much more
than any book can teach. My address is john.clark at niagaracounty.com


If this is a zip file, change the extention to something like .zp, because
we block .zip files.

John W. Clark
Computer Programmer
Niagara County
Central Data Processing

>>> frank at fhsservices.co.uk 8/24/2005 5:21 PM >>>
Here's a different solution!
If you have a checkbox for each title or position that can be applicable to
each person represented through the database then, on the client form of any
of people the list the checkboxes will indicate positives for the applicable
option. So, Jack Jones can have the boxes ticked for Defence attorney,
prosecuting attorney, Judge etc. etc. The final checkbox (no 9 on my sample)
can be set to "Other" and have an associated textbox in the table which will
only be displayed it no 9 is ticked and the text will be entered into the
open, blank textbox for storage and later retrieval. The trick here is to
combine the bit value of each checkbox to obtain a unique value for the
combination of boxes ticked. I have a small database of the principle as a
working example which I can forward to anybody who would like to see it. The
AccessD list is limited to a 30K unit size and will not allow me to attach
the sample to this text

Kind regards,
 
Frank Hill

Kind regards,
 
Frank Hill

 

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Clark
Sent: 24 August 2005 18:36
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: [AccessD] Logic issue

Hi all

I am having trouble working out how I want to go about something, and I am
hoping somebody here can give me a nudge. It doesn't sound difficult, but
I'm running into dead-ends. I am starting to think that I will just have to
go ahead and finish up with "whatever" and work around things.

I am doing a project for a district attorney's office, and it will basically
just keep tabs on everybody that passes through the system. The problem is
though that there are "Defendants", defense lawyers, prosecuting lawyers,
judges, and victims, and it isn't rare for a single person to cross into
multiple lists. And, theoretically, it is possible to be in all lists. For
instance there are many prosecuting lawyers that become defense attorneys,
and it is not unlikely that one of these attorneys could be a judge in the
future. That scenario is very possible, and you can add it that a lawyer is
very able to be a victim, and hell, we all know they can be criminals ;)
Another scenario that happens very frequently, is that a person is both a
defendant and a victim. 

I don't want the person entering data to scroll through hundreds, and
eventually thousands, of names to pick an attorney's name from among the
list of everybody else in the system.

The idea I am working on presently is to add logical fields for each
designation to the table of names. For instances:

kNameID
txtLastName
txtFirstName
txtMI
txtSuffix
logAttorney
logADA
logJudge
logVictim
logDefendant

If I do this, I will have removed some fields that are currently there, such
as:

txtAddress1
txtAddress2
txtCity
txtSt
txtZip
txtPhone

And, I will put these in another linked table. There may be a need to have
multiple addresses for the defendants, so this would be best I think.

The problem that I am foreseeing here...I'm not at that point, so my fears
could be unfounded...is setting these fields to true and/or false, as
needed.  Basically, thinking of victims for a minute here, the defendant
screen, which will actually be an "Indictment" screen, will have a subform
to hold potentially many victims for the indictment. If a victim IS already
in the system as something else, I will need to tag that name as a victim
and I'm wondering if this will present difficulties.

Well, I hope I am being clear enough. If anyone out there has any tips for
me, I would greatly appreciate it if you would pass them along.

Thank you!

John W Clark
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From KP at sdsonline.net  Thu Aug 25 22:24:15 2005
From: KP at sdsonline.net (Kath Pelletti)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 13:24:15 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Friday humour
Message-ID: <001901c5a9ed$a38087a0$6601a8c0@user>

OK - I'm bored, so here we go....

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"Doctor," said the patient. "I can't stop singing 'The Green, Green Grass of Home.'"
"Sounds like Tom Jones Syndrom to me," the doctor replies.
"Is that common?"
"It's not unusual." 
--------------------------
Q: How many Spaniards does it take to screw in a lightbulb? 
A: Juan
--------------------------
Person 1: Knock knock.
Person 2: Who's there?
Person 1: Control freak.
Person 1: Now you say "control freak who?"
----------

______________________________________________
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Fax: 9505-6430
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From dmcafee at pacbell.net  Thu Aug 25 22:54:39 2005
From: dmcafee at pacbell.net (dmcafee at pacbell.net)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 20:54:39 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Friday humour
In-Reply-To: <001901c5a9ed$a38087a0$6601a8c0@user>
Message-ID: <KDEHKEMIOHGKCDHLPPLKMEDNFIAA.dmcafee@pacbell.net>

Last week I purchased a burger and fries at McDonalds for $3.58.

The counter girl took my $4.00 and I pulled 8 cents
from my pocket and gave it to her. She stood there,
holding the nickel and 3 pennies. While looking at the
screen on her register, I sensed her discomfort and
tried to tell her to just give me two quarters, but
she hailed the manager for help. While he tried to
explain the transaction to her, she stood there and
cried.


----------------------------------------------------------------------------
----

 Why do I tell you this?

Because of the evolution in teaching math since the
1950s:

Teaching Math In 1950

A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100. His
cost of production is 4/5 of the price. What is his
profit?


Teaching Math In 1960

A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100. His
cost of production is 4/5 of the price, or $80.  What
is his profit?


Teaching Math In 1970

A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100. His
cost of production is $80.  Did he make a profit?


Teaching Math In 1980

A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100. His
cost of production is $80 and his profit is $20  Your
assignment:  Underline the number 20.


Teaching Math In 1990

A logger cuts down a beautiful forest because he is
selfish and inconsiderate and cares nothing for the
habitat of animals or the preservation of our
woodlands.  He does this so he can make a profit of
$20. What do you think of this way of making a living?
Topic for class participation after answering the
question:  How did the birds and squirrels feel as the
logger cut down their homes? (There are no wrong
answers.)


Teaching Math In 2005

Un ranchero vende una carretera de madera para $100.
El cuesto de la produccion era $80. Cuantos tortillas
se puede comprar?



From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Fri Aug 26 02:20:51 2005
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 08:20:51 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Roz's Novel
In-Reply-To: <KDEHKEMIOHGKCDHLPPLKMEDNFIAA.dmcafee@pacbell.net>
Message-ID: <001d01c5aa0e$b377bcc0$a5c00c54@minster33c3r25>

It's Friday so we can go for suggestions for alternative titles for Roz's
book. I'll start the ball rolling. 

Firstly I was musing about her subject matter and thinking of another work
which treats that broad subject. Thus I came up with "Hamlet - The SQL". But
that's more for the literary end of the market. Or, Roz, you could blatantly
go for the market of people who don't really read but will do if it's a
children's book that's ok for adults to be seen with - so "Harry Potter And
The Nobility Of Truth Versus The Attractions Of Artifice" (catchy I
thought). Finally if you wanted another theme how about a book for gullible
Ark theorists who like Dan Brown but prefer a quicker read - "The Da Vinci
Compiler" (groan).

-- Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 



From KP at sdsonline.net  Fri Aug 26 03:39:46 2005
From: KP at sdsonline.net (Kath Pelletti)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 18:39:46 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Roz's Novel
References: <001d01c5aa0e$b377bcc0$a5c00c54@minster33c3r25>
Message-ID: <001101c5aa19$b7bae3b0$6601a8c0@user>

Big Fat Artifice?

:)
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Andy Lacey 
  To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' 
  Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 5:20 PM
  Subject: [AccessD] OT: Roz's Novel


  It's Friday so we can go for suggestions for alternative titles for Roz's
  book. I'll start the ball rolling. 

  Firstly I was musing about her subject matter and thinking of another work
  which treats that broad subject. Thus I came up with "Hamlet - The SQL". But
  that's more for the literary end of the market. Or, Roz, you could blatantly
  go for the market of people who don't really read but will do if it's a
  children's book that's ok for adults to be seen with - so "Harry Potter And
  The Nobility Of Truth Versus The Attractions Of Artifice" (catchy I
  thought). Finally if you wanted another theme how about a book for gullible
  Ark theorists who like Dan Brown but prefer a quicker read - "The Da Vinci
  Compiler" (groan).

  -- Andy Lacey
  http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 

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From pedro at plex.nl  Fri Aug 26 11:11:05 2005
From: pedro at plex.nl (pedro at plex.nl)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 11:11:05 (MET DST)
Subject: [AccessD] adding control number
Message-ID: <200508260911.j7Q9B55U004511@mailhostC.plex.net>

Hello Group,

I have an ID (text, because it begins with 00) that exist of 8 numbers.
I need to change this ID by removing the first 0, and by adding a extra control number.
This control number can be calculated from this ID. This can be done by several query?s. Is it possible to do in one query??

For example.

I have ID:  00327833

Take the number of the odd positions:    0 3 7 3

Place these numbers behind each other to make one number:    0373

Multiply this number with 2:    0373 x 2 = 0746

Count up the separate numbers from this last multiplication:    0 + 7 + 4 + 6 = 17

>From the original ID, take the even positions:    0 2 8 3

Count up the separate numbers from the even positions with the sum of the last count up:    17 + 0 + 2 + 8 + 3 = 30

The last number of the previous sum is the extra control number:    0

>From the original ID, remove the first 0 and add the control number:    03278330


Who can help me with this?

TIA

Pedro Janssen



From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Fri Aug 26 04:32:56 2005
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 10:32:56 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] adding control number
Message-ID: <20050826093254.0A8DD24F266@smtp.nildram.co.uk>

I'll have a shot. Assuming always 8-digits how about
Mid(Id,2) & Right(Cstr(Val(Mid(Right("0000" & Cstr(CLng(Val(Mid(Id,1,1)) &
Val(Mid(Id,3,1)) & Val(Mid(Id,5,1)) & Val(Mid(Id,7,1)))*2),4),1,1)) +
Val(Mid(Right("0000" & Cstr(CLng(Val(Mid(Id,1,1)) & Val(Mid(Id,3,1)) &
Val(Mid(Id,5,1)) & Val(Mid(Id,7,1)))*2),4),2,1)) + Val(Mid(Right("0000" &
Cstr(CLng(Val(Mid(Id,1,1)) & Val(Mid(Id,3,1)) & Val(Mid(Id,5,1)) &
Val(Mid(Id,7,1)))*2),4),3,1)) + Val(Mid(Right("0000" &
Cstr(CLng(Val(Mid(Id,1,1)) & Val(Mid(Id,3,1)) & Val(Mid(Id,5,1)) &
Val(Mid(Id,7,1)))*2),4),4,1)) + Val(Mid(Id,2,1)) + Val(Mid(Id,4,1)) +
Val(Mid(Id,6,1)) + Val(Mid(Id,8,1))),1)


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--------- Original Message --------
From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
To: "AccessD at databaseadvisors.com" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: [AccessD] adding control number
Date: 26/08/05 09:10


Hello Group,

I have an ID (text, because it begins with 00) that exist of 8 numbers.
I need to change this ID by removing the first 0, and by adding a extra
control number.
This control number can be calculated from this ID. This can be done by
several query?s. Is it possible to do in one query??

For example.

I have ID: 00327833

Take the number of the odd positions: 0 3 7 3

Place these numbers behind each other to make one number: 0373

Multiply this number with 2: 0373 x 2 = 0746

Count up the separate numbers from this last multiplication: 0 + 7 + 4 + 6 =
17

>From the original ID, take the even positions: 0 2 8 3

Count up the separate numbers from the even positions with the sum of the
last count up: 17 + 0 + 2 + 8 + 3 = 30

The last number of the previous sum is the extra control number: 0

>From the original ID, remove the first 0 and add the control number:
03278330


Who can help me with this?

TIA

Pedro Janssen

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From zora_db at yahoo.com  Fri Aug 26 05:15:42 2005
From: zora_db at yahoo.com (Roz Clarke)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 11:15:42 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Roz's Novel
In-Reply-To: <001101c5aa19$b7bae3b0$6601a8c0@user>
Message-ID: <20050826101542.48751.qmail@web50106.mail.yahoo.com>

Or one for the OT list...

Fear of Flaming

Roz
--- Kath Pelletti <KP at sdsonline.net> wrote:

> Big Fat Artifice?
> 
> :)
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: Andy Lacey 
>   To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' 
>   Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 5:20 PM
>   Subject: [AccessD] OT: Roz's Novel
> 
> 
>   It's Friday so we can go for suggestions for alternative titles for Roz's
>   book. I'll start the ball rolling. 
> 
>   Firstly I was musing about her subject matter and thinking of another work
>   which treats that broad subject. Thus I came up with "Hamlet - The SQL". But
>   that's more for the literary end of the market. Or, Roz, you could blatantly
>   go for the market of people who don't really read but will do if it's a
>   children's book that's ok for adults to be seen with - so "Harry Potter And
>   The Nobility Of Truth Versus The Attractions Of Artifice" (catchy I
>   thought). Finally if you wanted another theme how about a book for gullible
>   Ark theorists who like Dan Brown but prefer a quicker read - "The Da Vinci
>   Compiler" (groan).
> 
>   -- Andy Lacey
>   http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 
> 
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From zora_db at yahoo.com  Fri Aug 26 05:17:33 2005
From: zora_db at yahoo.com (Roz Clarke)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 11:17:33 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Roz's Novel
In-Reply-To: <001d01c5aa0e$b377bcc0$a5c00c54@minster33c3r25>
Message-ID: <20050826101733.47892.qmail@web50109.mail.yahoo.com>

Harry Colby and the Nobility of Bound Versus the Attractions of Unbound


--- Andy Lacey <andy at minstersystems.co.uk> wrote:

> It's Friday so we can go for suggestions for alternative titles for Roz's
> book. I'll start the ball rolling. 
> 
> Firstly I was musing about her subject matter and thinking of another work
> which treats that broad subject. Thus I came up with "Hamlet - The SQL". But
> that's more for the literary end of the market. Or, Roz, you could blatantly
> go for the market of people who don't really read but will do if it's a
> children's book that's ok for adults to be seen with - so "Harry Potter And
> The Nobility Of Truth Versus The Attractions Of Artifice" (catchy I
> thought). Finally if you wanted another theme how about a book for gullible
> Ark theorists who like Dan Brown but prefer a quicker read - "The Da Vinci
> Compiler" (groan).
> 
> -- Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 
> 
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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Aug 26 05:28:02 2005
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 12:28:02 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Zip files (was Logic issue)
Message-ID: <s30f0af3.039@cactus.dk>

Hi all

As I wrote last year:

Some strip zip files from e-mails to avoid vira and spyware, thus cab
files can be a valid alternative for attaching compressed files.

You can use a MS command line util for this (cabarc.exe or makecab.exe)
or a freeware tool like CabPack 1.4, but did you know that Internet
Explorer comes with a GUI wizard-type wrapper for CabArc called
IExpress?

Just type iexpress at the Run entry in the Start menu. When finished,
it offers to save your settings as a "sed" file so you easily can repeat
a packing session.

/gustav


>>> cfoust at infostatsystems.com 25-08-2005 17:20 >>>
Does anyone know what the logic is for blocking zip files?  I run into
this occasionally and it drives me nuts!  You zip files to avoid the
filters that won't accept an mdb, etc., and then you run into filters
that won't accept the zip files.  Oops, Catch-22.  That drumming you
hear is my head pounding against the wall ....

Charlotte Foust



From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Fri Aug 26 05:31:51 2005
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 11:31:51 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Roz's Novel
Message-ID: <20050826103149.774A4260EAB@smtp.nildram.co.uk>

A best seller waiting to happen.

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From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Roz's Novel
Date: 26/08/05 10:18


Harry Colby and the Nobility of Bound Versus the Attractions of Unbound


--- Andy Lacey <andy at minstersystems.co.uk> wrote:

> It's Friday so we can go for suggestions for alternative titles for Roz's
> book. I'll start the ball rolling.
>
> Firstly I was musing about her subject matter and thinking of another work
> which treats that broad subject. Thus I came up with "Hamlet - The SQL".
But
> that's more for the literary end of the market. Or, Roz, you could
blatantly
> go for the market of people who don't really read but will do if it's a
> children's book that's ok for adults to be seen with - so "Harry Potter
And
> The Nobility Of Truth Versus The Attractions Of Artifice" (catchy I
> thought). Finally if you wanted another theme how about a book for
gullible
> Ark theorists who like Dan Brown but prefer a quicker read - "The Da Vinci
> Compiler" (groan).
>
> -- Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>
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From prodevmg at yahoo.com  Fri Aug 26 05:32:55 2005
From: prodevmg at yahoo.com (Lonnie Johnson)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 03:32:55 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] adding control number
In-Reply-To: <200508260911.j7Q9B55U004511@mailhostC.plex.net>
Message-ID: <20050826103255.84492.qmail@web33101.mail.mud.yahoo.com>


Why not write a function in VBA and do everything you just said instead of using your queries? How is your VBA?

pedro at plex.nl wrote:Hello Group,

I have an ID (text, because it begins with 00) that exist of 8 numbers.
I need to change this ID by removing the first 0, and by adding a extra control number.
This control number can be calculated from this ID. This can be done by several query?s. Is it possible to do in one query??

For example.

I have ID: 00327833

Take the number of the odd positions: 0 3 7 3

Place these numbers behind each other to make one number: 0373

Multiply this number with 2: 0373 x 2 = 0746

Count up the separate numbers from this last multiplication: 0 + 7 + 4 + 6 = 17

>From the original ID, take the even positions: 0 2 8 3

Count up the separate numbers from the even positions with the sum of the last count up: 17 + 0 + 2 + 8 + 3 = 30

The last number of the previous sum is the extra control number: 0

>From the original ID, remove the first 0 and add the control number: 03278330


Who can help me with this?

TIA

Pedro Janssen

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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Fri Aug 26 05:45:33 2005
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 11:45:33 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] adding control number
Message-ID: <20050826104531.53FBC24E332@smtp.nildram.co.uk>

I agree wholeheartedly with Lonnie. That's what I'd do. It was an
interesting exercise doing it in one shot but I wouldn't want to have to
maintain that.
--
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http://www.minstersystems.co.uk




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From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
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To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] adding control number
Date: 26/08/05 10:33



Why not write a function in VBA and do everything you just said instead of
using your queries? How is your VBA?

pedro at plex.nl wrote:Hello Group,

I have an ID (text, because it begins with 00) that exist of 8 numbers.
I need to change this ID by removing the first 0, and by adding a extra
control number.
This control number can be calculated from this ID. This can be done by
several query?s. Is it possible to do in one query??

For example.

I have ID: 00327833

Take the number of the odd positions: 0 3 7 3

Place these numbers behind each other to make one number: 0373

Multiply this number with 2: 0373 x 2 = 0746

Count up the separate numbers from this last multiplication: 0 + 7 + 4 + 6 =
17

>From the original ID, take the even positions: 0 2 8 3

Count up the separate numbers from the even positions with the sum of the
last count up: 17 + 0 + 2 + 8 + 3 = 30

The last number of the previous sum is the extra control number: 0

>From the original ID, remove the first 0 and add the control number:
03278330


Who can help me with this?

TIA

Pedro Janssen

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Aug 26 05:51:34 2005
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 06:51:34 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Roz's Novel
In-Reply-To: <20050826101733.47892.qmail@web50109.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <021e01c5aa2c$206155e0$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

My favorite book.  ;-)

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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Roz Clarke
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 6:18 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Roz's Novel


Harry Colby and the Nobility of Bound Versus the Attractions of Unbound


--- Andy Lacey <andy at minstersystems.co.uk> wrote:

> It's Friday so we can go for suggestions for alternative titles for 
> Roz's book. I'll start the ball rolling.
> 
> Firstly I was musing about her subject matter and thinking of another 
> work which treats that broad subject. Thus I came up with "Hamlet - 
> The SQL". But that's more for the literary end of the market. Or, Roz, 
> you could blatantly go for the market of people who don't really read 
> but will do if it's a children's book that's ok for adults to be seen 
> with - so "Harry Potter And The Nobility Of Truth Versus The 
> Attractions Of Artifice" (catchy I thought). Finally if you wanted 
> another theme how about a book for gullible Ark theorists who like Dan 
> Brown but prefer a quicker read - "The Da Vinci Compiler" (groan).
> 
> -- Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> 
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Aug 26 06:10:30 2005
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 07:10:30 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] DotNet passing by value
Message-ID: <021f01c5aa2e$c88d7b20$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

As you might be aware, VB.Net (and I assume the other .net languages as
well) pass all variables by value.  But what does this mean, and is it true.
As you know, everything in .net is an object, even common variables such as
an integer or decimal etc.  Passing by value (in other languages) means
placing a COPY of the variable (or object in this case) on the stack as the
function is called.  In VBA for example, when you pass by value, it really
does ONLY for the simple data types, passing anything else (including
strings) by value.  

Imagine passing a string, which could be a million bytes, by value -
literally making a copy and passing that into the stack.  IIRC the total
stack space for a given program in an Intel machine is something like 128
kbytes which means that passing a single (huge) string by value could cause
a stack overflow.  Now DotNet comes along claiming to pass everything by
value.  Is this more doublespeak?  And if so, what is the truth?

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Aug 26 06:21:46 2005
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 07:21:46 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] DotNet passing by value
In-Reply-To: <021f01c5aa2e$c88d7b20$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <022001c5aa30$5df64560$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

Oooops...

>.. passing anything else (including strings) by value.  

Should have said "by reference", i.e. placing a pointer to the object on the
stack.

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 7:11 AM
To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com; 'Access Developers discussion and
problemsolving'
Subject: [AccessD] DotNet passing by value


As you might be aware, VB.Net (and I assume the other .net languages as
well) pass all variables by value.  But what does this mean, and is it true.
As you know, everything in .net is an object, even common variables such as
an integer or decimal etc.  Passing by value (in other languages) means
placing a COPY of the variable (or object in this case) on the stack as the
function is called.  In VBA for example, when you pass by value, it really
does ONLY for the simple data types, passing anything else (including
strings) by value.  

Imagine passing a string, which could be a million bytes, by value -
literally making a copy and passing that into the stack.  IIRC the total
stack space for a given program in an Intel machine is something like 128
kbytes which means that passing a single (huge) string by value could cause
a stack overflow.  Now DotNet comes along claiming to pass everything by
value.  Is this more doublespeak?  And if so, what is the truth?

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Aug 26 06:40:18 2005
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 13:40:18 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] adding control number
Message-ID: <s30f1bd8.041@cactus.dk>

Hi Pedro 

Looks like a Modulus 10 check digit calculation.
Below is a function that will do this for you in a maintainable way.

Use it like this:

strChk = Right(ModulusAppend("00327833", 10), Len("00327833"))

/gustav

<code>

Function ModulusAppend( _
  ByVal strNumber As String, _
  ByVal intModulus As Integer) _
  As String

' Appends a Modulus 10 or 11 check digit to strNumber.
'
' 1999-10-08. Cactus Data ApS, CPH.

  Dim intC As Integer, intF As Integer, intN As Integer
  Dim intL As Integer, intM As Integer, intT As Integer
  Dim strNumCheck As String
  Dim strNumChr   As String
  Dim strNumClean As String
  
  ' Max. length of number.
  intM = 32 - 1
  
  If intModulus = 10 Or intModulus = 11 Then
    intL = Len(strNumber)
    ' Remove non-digits.
    For intN = 0 To intL - 1
      strNumChr = Mid(strNumber, intN + 1, 1)
      If (Asc(strNumChr) >= 48) And (Asc(strNumChr) <= 57) Then
        strNumClean = strNumClean & strNumChr
      End If
    Next intN
    strNumber = strNumClean
    intL = Len(strNumber)
  End If
  
  If intL > 0 And intL <= intM Then
    For intN = 0 To intL - 1
      intC = Val(Mid(strNumber, intL - intN, 1))
      Select Case intModulus
        Case Is = 10
          intF = (1 + ((intN + 1) Mod 2))
          intC = intF * intC
          intC = Int(intC / 10) + (intC Mod 10)
        Case Is = 11
          intF = 2 + (intN Mod 6)
          intC = intF * intC
      End Select
      intT = intT + intC
    Next
    Select Case intModulus
      Case Is = 10
        intC = intT - (intT Mod intModulus) + intModulus
        strNumCheck = Format((intC - intT) Mod intModulus, "@")
      Case Is = 11
        intC = intModulus - (intT Mod intModulus)
        Select Case intC
          Case Is = 11
            ' A check digit for this number cannot be calculated!
            strNumber = vbNullString
            intC = 0
            Beep
          Case Is = 10
            intC = 0
        End Select
        strNumCheck = Format(intC, "@")
    End Select
    strNumber = strNumber & strNumCheck
  Else
    strNumber = "0"
  End If
  
  ModulusAppend = strNumber

End Function

</code>


>>> pedro at plex.nl 26-08-2005 11:11 >>>
Hello Group,

I have an ID (text, because it begins with 00) that exist of 8
numbers.
I need to change this ID by removing the first 0, and by adding a extra
control number.
This control number can be calculated from this ID. This can be done by
several query's. Is it possible to do in one query??

For example.

I have ID:  00327833

Take the number of the odd positions:    0 3 7 3

Place these numbers behind each other to make one number:    0373

Multiply this number with 2:    0373 x 2 = 0746

Count up the separate numbers from this last multiplication:    0 + 7 +
4 + 6 = 17

>From the original ID, take the even positions:    0 2 8 3

Count up the separate numbers from the even positions with the sum of
the last count up:    17 + 0 + 2 + 8 + 3 = 30

The last number of the previous sum is the extra control number:    0

>From the original ID, remove the first 0 and add the control number:  
 03278330



From dejpolsys at hotmail.com  Fri Aug 26 06:50:51 2005
From: dejpolsys at hotmail.com (William Hindman)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 07:50:51 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Roz's Novel
References: <021e01c5aa2c$206155e0$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <BAY103-DAV25B5FDDA3C2EC66D76347AEAA0@phx.gbl>

..and by far, the longest :)

William

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Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 6:51 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Roz's Novel


> My favorite book.  ;-)
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Roz Clarke
> Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 6:18 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Roz's Novel
>
>
> Harry Colby and the Nobility of Bound Versus the Attractions of Unbound
>
>
> --- Andy Lacey <andy at minstersystems.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> It's Friday so we can go for suggestions for alternative titles for
>> Roz's book. I'll start the ball rolling.
>>
>> Firstly I was musing about her subject matter and thinking of another
>> work which treats that broad subject. Thus I came up with "Hamlet -
>> The SQL". But that's more for the literary end of the market. Or, Roz,
>> you could blatantly go for the market of people who don't really read
>> but will do if it's a children's book that's ok for adults to be seen
>> with - so "Harry Potter And The Nobility Of Truth Versus The
>> Attractions Of Artifice" (catchy I thought). Finally if you wanted
>> another theme how about a book for gullible Ark theorists who like Dan
>> Brown but prefer a quicker read - "The Da Vinci Compiler" (groan).
>>
>> -- Andy Lacey
>> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
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From John.Clark at niagaracounty.com  Fri Aug 26 06:49:50 2005
From: John.Clark at niagaracounty.com (John Clark)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 07:49:50 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Roz's Novel
Message-ID: <s30eca00.086@nebnov3.niagaracounty.com>

Now THIS would start a nice thread on OT. Statements like, "Finally if
you wanted another theme how about a book for gullible
Ark theorists who like Dan Brown but...," which to me implies that
anyone who may contemplate alternatives to the accepted norm is
gullible, while to me those that just accept the norm are more prone to
be gullible, will get the posts pumpin'.

Ah, but this is for OT, so we'll see.

I do like the title though ;)

J Clark

>>> andy at minstersystems.co.uk 8/26/2005 3:20 AM >>>
It's Friday so we can go for suggestions for alternative titles for
Roz's
book. I'll start the ball rolling. 

Firstly I was musing about her subject matter and thinking of another
work
which treats that broad subject. Thus I came up with "Hamlet - The
SQL". But
that's more for the literary end of the market. Or, Roz, you could
blatantly
go for the market of people who don't really read but will do if it's
a
children's book that's ok for adults to be seen with - so "Harry Potter
And
The Nobility Of Truth Versus The Attractions Of Artifice" (catchy I
thought). Finally if you wanted another theme how about a book for
gullible
Ark theorists who like Dan Brown but prefer a quicker read - "The Da
Vinci
Compiler" (groan).

-- Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 

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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Fri Aug 26 06:58:35 2005
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 12:58:35 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Roz's Novel
Message-ID: <20050826115832.C9AAF2547C4@smtp.nildram.co.uk>

Was waiting for that to get a response ;-)
--
Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk




--------- Original Message --------
From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
To: "accessd at databaseadvisors.com" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Roz's Novel
Date: 26/08/05 11:52


Now THIS would start a nice thread on OT. Statements like, "Finally if
you wanted another theme how about a book for gullible
Ark theorists who like Dan Brown but...," which to me implies that
anyone who may contemplate alternatives to the accepted norm is
gullible, while to me those that just accept the norm are more prone to
be gullible, will get the posts pumpin'.

Ah, but this is for OT, so we'll see.

I do like the title though ;)

J Clark

>>> andy at minstersystems.co.uk 8/26/2005 3:20 AM >>>
It's Friday so we can go for suggestions for alternative titles for
Roz's
book. I'll start the ball rolling.

Firstly I was musing about her subject matter and thinking of another
work
which treats that broad subject. Thus I came up with "Hamlet - The
SQL". But
that's more for the literary end of the market. Or, Roz, you could
blatantly
go for the market of people who don't really read but will do if it's
a
children's book that's ok for adults to be seen with - so "Harry Potter
And
The Nobility Of Truth Versus The Attractions Of Artifice" (catchy I
thought). Finally if you wanted another theme how about a book for
gullible
Ark theorists who like Dan Brown but prefer a quicker read - "The Da
Vinci
Compiler" (groan).

-- Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk

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From shamil at users.mns.ru  Fri Aug 26 07:24:31 2005
From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 16:24:31 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] DotNet passing by value
References: <022001c5aa30$5df64560$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <003101c5aa39$2837cad0$6501a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru>

John,

AFAIK VBA passes ByVal strings by reference but it first makes the copy of
the string to the heap memory...
The same should be true for  VB.NET/C#.
So, one million bytes' length string will be copied to the heap memory and
then passed internally by ref. Heap memory is handled by virtual memory
management system - it should work rather well if one has speedy moderrn
HHDs for automatic swapping...

But of course passing one million bytes long strings as a ByVal parameter
isn't a good idea at all....

> As you know, everything in .net is an object
Yes, everything is an object but scalar types are used internall as they
are usually used in unmanaged systems - this optimization is done by .NET
Framework compilers. When a scalar type has to be treated as an object it is
getting "boxed" - boxing is a  ,NET Framework term:

See also:

Writing Faster Managed Code: Know What Things Cost
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dndotnet/html/fastmanagedcode.asp

Shamil

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John W. Colby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 3:21 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] DotNet passing by value


> Oooops...
>
> >.. passing anything else (including strings) by value.
>
> Should have said "by reference", i.e. placing a pointer to the object on
the
> stack.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
> http://folding.stanford.edu/
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby
> Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 7:11 AM
> To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com; 'Access Developers discussion and
> problemsolving'
> Subject: [AccessD] DotNet passing by value
>
>
> As you might be aware, VB.Net (and I assume the other .net languages as
> well) pass all variables by value.  But what does this mean, and is it
true.
> As you know, everything in .net is an object, even common variables such
as
> an integer or decimal etc.  Passing by value (in other languages) means
> placing a COPY of the variable (or object in this case) on the stack as
the
> function is called.  In VBA for example, when you pass by value, it really
> does ONLY for the simple data types, passing anything else (including
> strings) by value.
>
> Imagine passing a string, which could be a million bytes, by value -
> literally making a copy and passing that into the stack.  IIRC the total
> stack space for a given program in an Intel machine is something like 128
> kbytes which means that passing a single (huge) string by value could
cause
> a stack overflow.  Now DotNet comes along claiming to pass everything by
> value.  Is this more doublespeak?  And if so, what is the truth?
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
> http://folding.stanford.edu/
>
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Aug 26 07:34:20 2005
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 08:34:20 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] DotNet passing by value
In-Reply-To: <003101c5aa39$2837cad0$6501a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru>
Message-ID: <022201c5aa3a$7bb03de0$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

Does this imply that it makes a copy of every object before passing a
pointer to that copy of the object?  That seems like a lot of overhead.  And
is there any way to set the default to true "by reference"?  I am accustomed
to "by reference", and know what that means, and am accustomed to thinking
about whether I am modifying the original object.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
Salakhetdinov
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 8:25 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] DotNet passing by value


John,

AFAIK VBA passes ByVal strings by reference but it first makes the copy of
the string to the heap memory... The same should be true for  VB.NET/C#. So,
one million bytes' length string will be copied to the heap memory and then
passed internally by ref. Heap memory is handled by virtual memory
management system - it should work rather well if one has speedy moderrn
HHDs for automatic swapping...

But of course passing one million bytes long strings as a ByVal parameter
isn't a good idea at all....

> As you know, everything in .net is an object
Yes, everything is an object but scalar types are used internall as they are
usually used in unmanaged systems - this optimization is done by .NET
Framework compilers. When a scalar type has to be treated as an object it is
getting "boxed" - boxing is a  ,NET Framework term:

See also:

Writing Faster Managed Code: Know What Things Cost
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dndotnet/ht
ml/fastmanagedcode.asp

Shamil

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John W. Colby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 3:21 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] DotNet passing by value


> Oooops...
>
> >.. passing anything else (including strings) by value.
>
> Should have said "by reference", i.e. placing a pointer to the object 
> on
the
> stack.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause: 
> http://folding.stanford.edu/
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. 
> Colby
> Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 7:11 AM
> To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com; 'Access Developers discussion and
> problemsolving'
> Subject: [AccessD] DotNet passing by value
>
>
> As you might be aware, VB.Net (and I assume the other .net languages 
> as
> well) pass all variables by value.  But what does this mean, and is it
true.
> As you know, everything in .net is an object, even common variables 
> such
as
> an integer or decimal etc.  Passing by value (in other languages) 
> means placing a COPY of the variable (or object in this case) on the 
> stack as
the
> function is called.  In VBA for example, when you pass by value, it 
> really does ONLY for the simple data types, passing anything else 
> (including
> strings) by value.
>
> Imagine passing a string, which could be a million bytes, by value - 
> literally making a copy and passing that into the stack.  IIRC the 
> total stack space for a given program in an Intel machine is something 
> like 128 kbytes which means that passing a single (huge) string by 
> value could
cause
> a stack overflow.  Now DotNet comes along claiming to pass everything 
> by value.  Is this more doublespeak?  And if so, what is the truth?
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause: 
> http://folding.stanford.edu/
>
>
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Aug 26 07:38:40 2005
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 08:38:40 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: FireFox not wrapping
Message-ID: <022401c5aa3b$19dacfd0$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

Does anyone know how to get firefox to wrap to the screen dimensions?  I am
viewing MS pages which trail off to the side (have to use the slider) in FF
but wrap correctly in IE.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Aug 26 07:42:42 2005
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 08:42:42 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] DotNet passing by value
In-Reply-To: <003101c5aa39$2837cad0$6501a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru>
Message-ID: <022501c5aa3b$aa060200$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

Good article so far (not done yet).

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
Salakhetdinov
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 8:25 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] DotNet passing by value


John,

AFAIK VBA passes ByVal strings by reference but it first makes the copy of
the string to the heap memory... The same should be true for  VB.NET/C#. So,
one million bytes' length string will be copied to the heap memory and then
passed internally by ref. Heap memory is handled by virtual memory
management system - it should work rather well if one has speedy moderrn
HHDs for automatic swapping...

But of course passing one million bytes long strings as a ByVal parameter
isn't a good idea at all....

> As you know, everything in .net is an object
Yes, everything is an object but scalar types are used internall as they are
usually used in unmanaged systems - this optimization is done by .NET
Framework compilers. When a scalar type has to be treated as an object it is
getting "boxed" - boxing is a  ,NET Framework term:

See also:

Writing Faster Managed Code: Know What Things Cost
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dndotnet/ht
ml/fastmanagedcode.asp

Shamil

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John W. Colby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 3:21 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] DotNet passing by value


> Oooops...
>
> >.. passing anything else (including strings) by value.
>
> Should have said "by reference", i.e. placing a pointer to the object 
> on
the
> stack.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause: 
> http://folding.stanford.edu/
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. 
> Colby
> Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 7:11 AM
> To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com; 'Access Developers discussion and
> problemsolving'
> Subject: [AccessD] DotNet passing by value
>
>
> As you might be aware, VB.Net (and I assume the other .net languages 
> as
> well) pass all variables by value.  But what does this mean, and is it
true.
> As you know, everything in .net is an object, even common variables 
> such
as
> an integer or decimal etc.  Passing by value (in other languages) 
> means placing a COPY of the variable (or object in this case) on the 
> stack as
the
> function is called.  In VBA for example, when you pass by value, it 
> really does ONLY for the simple data types, passing anything else 
> (including
> strings) by value.
>
> Imagine passing a string, which could be a million bytes, by value - 
> literally making a copy and passing that into the stack.  IIRC the 
> total stack space for a given program in an Intel machine is something 
> like 128 kbytes which means that passing a single (huge) string by 
> value could
cause
> a stack overflow.  Now DotNet comes along claiming to pass everything 
> by value.  Is this more doublespeak?  And if so, what is the truth?
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause: 
> http://folding.stanford.edu/
>
>
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From mikedorism at verizon.net  Fri Aug 26 07:47:44 2005
From: mikedorism at verizon.net (Mike & Doris Manning)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 08:47:44 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] DotNet passing by value
In-Reply-To: <022201c5aa3a$7bb03de0$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <000201c5aa3c$5cb3bcd0$2e01a8c0@dorismanning>

When you declare the variable, you can set the default.

Dim bolTest as Boolean = False

Doris Manning
mikedorism at verizon.net

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 8:34 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] DotNet passing by value

Does this imply that it makes a copy of every object before passing a
pointer to that copy of the object?  That seems like a lot of overhead.  And
is there any way to set the default to true "by reference"?  I am accustomed
to "by reference", and know what that means, and am accustomed to thinking
about whether I am modifying the original object.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
Salakhetdinov
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 8:25 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] DotNet passing by value


John,

AFAIK VBA passes ByVal strings by reference but it first makes the copy of
the string to the heap memory... The same should be true for  VB.NET/C#. So,
one million bytes' length string will be copied to the heap memory and then
passed internally by ref. Heap memory is handled by virtual memory
management system - it should work rather well if one has speedy moderrn
HHDs for automatic swapping...

But of course passing one million bytes long strings as a ByVal parameter
isn't a good idea at all....

> As you know, everything in .net is an object
Yes, everything is an object but scalar types are used internall as they are
usually used in unmanaged systems - this optimization is done by .NET
Framework compilers. When a scalar type has to be treated as an object it is
getting "boxed" - boxing is a  ,NET Framework term:

See also:

Writing Faster Managed Code: Know What Things Cost
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dndotnet/ht
ml/fastmanagedcode.asp

Shamil

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To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 3:21 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] DotNet passing by value


> Oooops...
>
> >.. passing anything else (including strings) by value.
>
> Should have said "by reference", i.e. placing a pointer to the object 
> on
the
> stack.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause: 
> http://folding.stanford.edu/
>
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> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. 
> Colby
> Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 7:11 AM
> To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com; 'Access Developers discussion and
> problemsolving'
> Subject: [AccessD] DotNet passing by value
>
>
> As you might be aware, VB.Net (and I assume the other .net languages 
> as
> well) pass all variables by value.  But what does this mean, and is it
true.
> As you know, everything in .net is an object, even common variables 
> such
as
> an integer or decimal etc.  Passing by value (in other languages) 
> means placing a COPY of the variable (or object in this case) on the 
> stack as
the
> function is called.  In VBA for example, when you pass by value, it 
> really does ONLY for the simple data types, passing anything else 
> (including
> strings) by value.
>
> Imagine passing a string, which could be a million bytes, by value - 
> literally making a copy and passing that into the stack.  IIRC the 
> total stack space for a given program in an Intel machine is something 
> like 128 kbytes which means that passing a single (huge) string by 
> value could
cause
> a stack overflow.  Now DotNet comes along claiming to pass everything 
> by value.  Is this more doublespeak?  And if so, what is the truth?
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause: 
> http://folding.stanford.edu/
>
>
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From shamil at users.mns.ru  Fri Aug 26 08:05:55 2005
From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 17:05:55 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] DotNet passing by value
References: <022201c5aa3a$7bb03de0$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <000e01c5aa3e$ebef7400$6501a8c0@fincomplex.spb.ru>

No, objects are always passed by reference - here is a quick test, which
shows the difference (watch line wraps):

Module Module1

    Class TestMe
        Public TestInt As Integer = 0
    End Class

    Sub Main()
        Dim obj As TestMe = New TestMe
        Dim s As String = "***"
        testObject(obj, s)
        Console.WriteLine(String.Format("ByVal test: [{0}] [{1}]",
obj.TestInt.ToString(), s))
        obj.TestInt = 0
        testObject1(obj, s)
        Console.WriteLine(String.Format("ByRef test: [{0}] [{1}]",
obj.TestInt.ToString(), s))
    End Sub

    Sub testObject(ByVal obj As TestMe, ByVal s As String)
        obj.TestInt = 503
        s = "503"
    End Sub
    Sub testObject1(ByRef obj As TestMe, ByRef s As String)
        obj.TestInt = 503
        s = "503"
    End Sub

To pass objects by value you have to implement custom cloning:

See also:
 1. IClonable interface
 2. http://www.windojitsu.com/blog/copyctorvsicloneable.html (
Copy Constructors vs ICloneable -- Redux (Updated!))

Shamil


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To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 4:34 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] DotNet passing by value


> Does this imply that it makes a copy of every object before passing a
> pointer to that copy of the object?  That seems like a lot of overhead.
And
> is there any way to set the default to true "by reference"?  I am
accustomed
> to "by reference", and know what that means, and am accustomed to thinking
> about whether I am modifying the original object.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
> http://folding.stanford.edu/
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
> Salakhetdinov
> Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 8:25 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] DotNet passing by value
>
>
> John,
>
> AFAIK VBA passes ByVal strings by reference but it first makes the copy of
> the string to the heap memory... The same should be true for  VB.NET/C#.
So,
> one million bytes' length string will be copied to the heap memory and
then
> passed internally by ref. Heap memory is handled by virtual memory
> management system - it should work rather well if one has speedy moderrn
> HHDs for automatic swapping...
>
> But of course passing one million bytes long strings as a ByVal parameter
> isn't a good idea at all....
>
> > As you know, everything in .net is an object
> Yes, everything is an object but scalar types are used internall as they
are
> usually used in unmanaged systems - this optimization is done by .NET
> Framework compilers. When a scalar type has to be treated as an object it
is
> getting "boxed" - boxing is a  ,NET Framework term:
>
> See also:
>
> Writing Faster Managed Code: Know What Things Cost
>
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dndotnet/ht
> ml/fastmanagedcode.asp
>
> Shamil
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "John W. Colby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 3:21 PM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] DotNet passing by value
>
>
> > Oooops...
> >
> > >.. passing anything else (including strings) by value.
> >
> > Should have said "by reference", i.e. placing a pointer to the object
> > on
> the
> > stack.
> >
> > John W. Colby
> > www.ColbyConsulting.com
> >
> > Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
> > http://folding.stanford.edu/
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W.
> > Colby
> > Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 7:11 AM
> > To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com; 'Access Developers discussion and
> > problemsolving'
> > Subject: [AccessD] DotNet passing by value
> >
> >
> > As you might be aware, VB.Net (and I assume the other .net languages
> > as
> > well) pass all variables by value.  But what does this mean, and is it
> true.
> > As you know, everything in .net is an object, even common variables
> > such
> as
> > an integer or decimal etc.  Passing by value (in other languages)
> > means placing a COPY of the variable (or object in this case) on the
> > stack as
> the
> > function is called.  In VBA for example, when you pass by value, it
> > really does ONLY for the simple data types, passing anything else
> > (including
> > strings) by value.
> >
> > Imagine passing a string, which could be a million bytes, by value -
> > literally making a copy and passing that into the stack.  IIRC the
> > total stack space for a given program in an Intel machine is something
> > like 128 kbytes which means that passing a single (huge) string by
> > value could
> cause
> > a stack overflow.  Now DotNet comes along claiming to pass everything
> > by value.  Is this more doublespeak?  And if so, what is the truth?
> >
> > John W. Colby
> > www.ColbyConsulting.com
> >
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From artful at rogers.com  Fri Aug 26 08:02:44 2005
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 09:02:44 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Roz's Novel
In-Reply-To: <20050826101542.48751.qmail@web50106.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <200508261302.j7QD2mR12703@databaseadvisors.com>

Roz on Extra-Marital Relationships?

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Roz Clarke
Sent: August 26, 2005 6:16 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Roz's Novel

Or one for the OT list...

Fear of Flaming

Roz



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Aug 26 08:04:38 2005
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 09:04:38 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] DotNet passing by value
In-Reply-To: <000201c5aa3c$5cb3bcd0$2e01a8c0@dorismanning>
Message-ID: <022601c5aa3e$b70ddb00$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

Sorry, I was referring to setting the default "pass by" method to TRUE "by
reference" - passing a pointer to the original object, not a copy of the
object.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mike & Doris
Manning
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 8:48 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] DotNet passing by value


When you declare the variable, you can set the default.

Dim bolTest as Boolean = False

Doris Manning
mikedorism at verizon.net

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 8:34 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] DotNet passing by value

Does this imply that it makes a copy of every object before passing a
pointer to that copy of the object?  That seems like a lot of overhead.  And
is there any way to set the default to true "by reference"?  I am accustomed
to "by reference", and know what that means, and am accustomed to thinking
about whether I am modifying the original object.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
Salakhetdinov
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 8:25 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] DotNet passing by value


John,

AFAIK VBA passes ByVal strings by reference but it first makes the copy of
the string to the heap memory... The same should be true for  VB.NET/C#. So,
one million bytes' length string will be copied to the heap memory and then
passed internally by ref. Heap memory is handled by virtual memory
management system - it should work rather well if one has speedy moderrn
HHDs for automatic swapping...

But of course passing one million bytes long strings as a ByVal parameter
isn't a good idea at all....

> As you know, everything in .net is an object
Yes, everything is an object but scalar types are used internall as they are
usually used in unmanaged systems - this optimization is done by .NET
Framework compilers. When a scalar type has to be treated as an object it is
getting "boxed" - boxing is a  ,NET Framework term:

See also:

Writing Faster Managed Code: Know What Things Cost
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dndotnet/ht
ml/fastmanagedcode.asp

Shamil

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John W. Colby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 3:21 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] DotNet passing by value


> Oooops...
>
> >.. passing anything else (including strings) by value.
>
> Should have said "by reference", i.e. placing a pointer to the object
> on
the
> stack.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
> http://folding.stanford.edu/
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W.
> Colby
> Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 7:11 AM
> To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com; 'Access Developers discussion and
> problemsolving'
> Subject: [AccessD] DotNet passing by value
>
>
> As you might be aware, VB.Net (and I assume the other .net languages
> as
> well) pass all variables by value.  But what does this mean, and is it
true.
> As you know, everything in .net is an object, even common variables
> such
as
> an integer or decimal etc.  Passing by value (in other languages)
> means placing a COPY of the variable (or object in this case) on the 
> stack as
the
> function is called.  In VBA for example, when you pass by value, it
> really does ONLY for the simple data types, passing anything else 
> (including
> strings) by value.
>
> Imagine passing a string, which could be a million bytes, by value -
> literally making a copy and passing that into the stack.  IIRC the 
> total stack space for a given program in an Intel machine is something 
> like 128 kbytes which means that passing a single (huge) string by 
> value could
cause
> a stack overflow.  Now DotNet comes along claiming to pass everything
> by value.  Is this more doublespeak?  And if so, what is the truth?
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
> http://folding.stanford.edu/
>
>
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From roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk  Fri Aug 26 03:30:53 2005
From: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk (Roz Clarke)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 09:30:53 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Roz's Novel
Message-ID: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C8318807225F32@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>

ROFL. Very good Andy. I had to clutch my head for several minutes after
reading that last one. 

-----Original Message-----
From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk] 
Sent: 26 August 2005 08:21
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Roz's Novel


It's Friday so we can go for suggestions for alternative titles for Roz's
book. I'll start the ball rolling. 

Firstly I was musing about her subject matter and thinking of another work
which treats that broad subject. Thus I came up with "Hamlet - The SQL". But
that's more for the literary end of the market. Or, Roz, you could blatantly
go for the market of people who don't really read but will do if it's a
children's book that's ok for adults to be seen with - so "Harry Potter And
The Nobility Of Truth Versus The Attractions Of Artifice" (catchy I
thought). Finally if you wanted another theme how about a book for gullible
Ark theorists who like Dan Brown but prefer a quicker read - "The Da Vinci
Compiler" (groan).

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Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 11:55:21 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Roz's Novel
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The Bound of the Baskervilles



*runs away*


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A best seller waiting to happen.

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Date: 26/08/05 10:18


Harry Colby and the Nobility of Bound Versus the Attractions of Unbound


--- Andy Lacey <andy at minstersystems.co.uk> wrote:

> It's Friday so we can go for suggestions for alternative titles for Roz's
> book. I'll start the ball rolling.
>
> Firstly I was musing about her subject matter and thinking of another work
> which treats that broad subject. Thus I came up with "Hamlet - The SQL".
But
> that's more for the literary end of the market. Or, Roz, you could
blatantly
> go for the market of people who don't really read but will do if it's a
> children's book that's ok for adults to be seen with - so "Harry Potter
And
> The Nobility Of Truth Versus The Attractions Of Artifice" (catchy I
> thought). Finally if you wanted another theme how about a book for
gullible
> Ark theorists who like Dan Brown but prefer a quicker read - "The Da Vinci
> Compiler" (groan).
>
> -- Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
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From tom.bolton at donnslaw.co.uk  Fri Aug 26 05:53:46 2005
From: tom.bolton at donnslaw.co.uk (Tom Bolton)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 11:53:46 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Roz's Novel
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The 158-Unbound Marriage

Or 

The World According to Clarke



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P.S. if anyone can think of a way of getting 'A Son of the Circus' in there
I'll be impressed



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Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Roz's Novel

A best seller waiting to happen.

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To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
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Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Roz's Novel
Date: 26/08/05 10:18


Harry Colby and the Nobility of Bound Versus the Attractions of Unbound


--- Andy Lacey <andy at minstersystems.co.uk> wrote:

> It's Friday so we can go for suggestions for alternative titles for Roz's
> book. I'll start the ball rolling.
>
> Firstly I was musing about her subject matter and thinking of another work
> which treats that broad subject. Thus I came up with "Hamlet - The SQL".
But
> that's more for the literary end of the market. Or, Roz, you could
blatantly
> go for the market of people who don't really read but will do if it's a
> children's book that's ok for adults to be seen with - so "Harry Potter
And
> The Nobility Of Truth Versus The Attractions Of Artifice" (catchy I
> thought). Finally if you wanted another theme how about a book for
gullible
> Ark theorists who like Dan Brown but prefer a quicker read - "The Da Vinci
> Compiler" (groan).
>
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From roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk  Fri Aug 26 08:11:47 2005
From: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk (Roz Clarke)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 14:11:47 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Roz's Novel
Message-ID: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C8318807225F42@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>

What are you trying to say?

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From: Arthur Fuller [mailto:artful at rogers.com] 
Sent: 26 August 2005 14:03
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Roz's Novel


Roz on Extra-Marital Relationships?

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Roz Clarke
Sent: August 26, 2005 6:16 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Roz's Novel

Or one for the OT list...

Fear of Flaming

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Aug 26 09:25:45 2005
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 10:25:45 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Roz's Novel
In-Reply-To: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C8318807225F42@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>
Message-ID: <025001c5aa4a$0c363c70$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

I was wondering the same thing!  I think they took your love of the whip "a
step too far".

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Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 9:12 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Roz's Novel


What are you trying to say?

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Sent: 26 August 2005 14:03
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Roz's Novel


Roz on Extra-Marital Relationships?

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Sent: August 26, 2005 6:16 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Roz's Novel

Or one for the OT list...

Fear of Flaming

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From adtp at touchtelindia.net  Fri Aug 26 09:40:05 2005
From: adtp at touchtelindia.net (A.D.Tejpal)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 20:10:05 +0530
Subject: [AccessD] Building SQL statement
References: <015101c5a924$4f937db0$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <237001c5aa4c$259ab720$9a1865cb@winxp>

John,

    Add-In named  SQLToVBAString_ver2.zip, available in folder 0_Utilities And Add-Ins, in files section of Yahoo group named  MS_Access_Professionals might be of interest to you.

    Once installed, it coverts an SQL statement into VBA string (duly taking care of extra quotes if any) and copies the contents to the clipboard for direct use in VBA editor.

A.D.Tejpal
--------------

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: John W. Colby 
  To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' 
  Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 08:53
  Subject: [AccessD] Building SQL statement


  I'm attempting to build a SQL statement to append data into a record.  One
  of the fields is text, including (possibly) any valid text including ' - for
  example in contractions such as "aren't" etc.

  My SQL statement is building up a statement in the format:

              lstrSQL = "INSERT INTO WebNewsItem ( WebNewsSourceID, Link,
  Title, ArticleDescription ) " & _
                          "SELECT " & webNewsSourceID & " AS WebNewsSourceID,
  '" & link & "' AS Link, '" & title & "' AS Title, '" & description & "' AS
  ArticleDescription;"

  The problem is that description can contain the ' character and thus I end
  up with an invalid SQL statement since the ' embedded in description "looks
  like" the ' that is supposed to enclose the text.

  I can't for the life of me remember how I am supposed to handle this.

  I could punt and open a recordset, create a new record, and place the data
  directly into the field, which I may end up doing but I sure would prefer to
  just do the "append query" thing.  It is (was) much simpler.

  John W. Colby
  www.ColbyConsulting.com 



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Aug 26 09:54:35 2005
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 10:54:35 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Building SQL statement
In-Reply-To: <237001c5aa4c$259ab720$9a1865cb@winxp>
Message-ID: <025401c5aa4e$1302f8a0$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>

I thank everyone for their solutions.  In fact this is in VB.Net.  Fir this
particular problem I think the easiest solution will be to open a recordset
and place the string into a specific field.  I do understand the issue
though and the solution if I do want to build a SQL statement.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of A.D.Tejpal
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 10:40 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Building SQL statement


John,

    Add-In named  SQLToVBAString_ver2.zip, available in folder 0_Utilities
And Add-Ins, in files section of Yahoo group named  MS_Access_Professionals
might be of interest to you.

    Once installed, it coverts an SQL statement into VBA string (duly taking
care of extra quotes if any) and copies the contents to the clipboard for
direct use in VBA editor.

A.D.Tejpal
--------------

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: John W. Colby 
  To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' 
  Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 08:53
  Subject: [AccessD] Building SQL statement


  I'm attempting to build a SQL statement to append data into a record.  One
  of the fields is text, including (possibly) any valid text including ' -
for
  example in contractions such as "aren't" etc.

  My SQL statement is building up a statement in the format:

              lstrSQL = "INSERT INTO WebNewsItem ( WebNewsSourceID, Link,
  Title, ArticleDescription ) " & _
                          "SELECT " & webNewsSourceID & " AS
WebNewsSourceID,
  '" & link & "' AS Link, '" & title & "' AS Title, '" & description & "' AS
  ArticleDescription;"

  The problem is that description can contain the ' character and thus I end
  up with an invalid SQL statement since the ' embedded in description
"looks
  like" the ' that is supposed to enclose the text.

  I can't for the life of me remember how I am supposed to handle this.

  I could punt and open a recordset, create a new record, and place the data
  directly into the field, which I may end up doing but I sure would prefer
to
  just do the "append query" thing.  It is (was) much simpler.

  John W. Colby
  www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From artful at rogers.com  Fri Aug 26 10:00:25 2005
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 11:00:25 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Iterate through controls on a form
In-Reply-To: <022601c5aa3e$b70ddb00$6c7aa8c0@ColbyM6805>
Message-ID: <200508261500.j7QF0SR13353@databaseadvisors.com>

Anyone got a loop handy that iterates through the controls on a form and
prints their data source? Ideally, it would also print a vbCRLF between the
controls on each tab page, if there are multiple pages.
TIA,
Arthur



From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com  Fri Aug 26 10:19:34 2005
From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 11:19:34 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Iterate through controls on a form
Message-ID: <1D7828CDB8350747AFE9D69E0E90DA1F14EA4490@xlivmbx21.aig.com>

Basically it's ...

Dim c as control
	For Each c in Me
		Debug.Print c.Name, c.ControlSource
	Next c

But you'll have to check for controls that do not have a Controlsource
property.


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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 11:00 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Iterate through controls on a form


Anyone got a loop handy that iterates through the controls on a form and
prints their data source? Ideally, it would also print a vbCRLF between the
controls on each tab page, if there are multiple pages. TIA, Arthur

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri Aug 26 10:51:31 2005
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 08:51:31 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Zip files (was Logic issue)
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86873BFF@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Don't you think a cab file is a bit of overkill when all you want to do
is send an Access demo of a particular kind of operation??

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Gustav Brock [mailto:Gustav at cactus.dk] 
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 3:28 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Zip files (was Logic issue)


Hi all

As I wrote last year:

Some strip zip files from e-mails to avoid vira and spyware, thus cab
files can be a valid alternative for attaching compressed files.

You can use a MS command line util for this (cabarc.exe or makecab.exe)
or a freeware tool like CabPack 1.4, but did you know that Internet
Explorer comes with a GUI wizard-type wrapper for CabArc called
IExpress?

Just type iexpress at the Run entry in the Start menu. When finished, it
offers to save your settings as a "sed" file so you easily can repeat a
packing session.

/gustav


>>> cfoust at infostatsystems.com 25-08-2005 17:20 >>>
Does anyone know what the logic is for blocking zip files?  I run into
this occasionally and it drives me nuts!  You zip files to avoid the
filters that won't accept an mdb, etc., and then you run into filters
that won't accept the zip files.  Oops, Catch-22.  That drumming you
hear is my head pounding against the wall ....

Charlotte Foust

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri Aug 26 10:58:15 2005
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 08:58:15 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Roz's Novel
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86873C00@infoserver01.infostat.local>

ROTFLMAO  I'll buy that one!!

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Bolton [mailto:tom.bolton at donnslaw.co.uk] 
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 3:55 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Roz's Novel


The Bound of the Baskervilles



*runs away*


-----Original Message-----
From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk] 
Sent: 26-Aug-2005 11:32
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Roz's Novel

A best seller waiting to happen.

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--------- Original Message --------
From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Roz's Novel
Date: 26/08/05 10:18


Harry Colby and the Nobility of Bound Versus the Attractions of Unbound


--- Andy Lacey <andy at minstersystems.co.uk> wrote:

> It's Friday so we can go for suggestions for alternative titles for 
> Roz's book. I'll start the ball rolling.
>
> Firstly I was musing about her subject matter and thinking of another 
> work which treats that broad subject. Thus I came up with "Hamlet - 
> The SQL".
But
> that's more for the literary end of the market. Or, Roz, you could
blatantly
> go for the market of people who don't really read but will do if it's 
> a children's book that's ok for adults to be seen with - so "Harry 
> Potter
And
> The Nobility Of Truth Versus The Attractions Of Artifice" (catchy I 
> thought). Finally if you wanted another theme how about a book for
gullible
> Ark theorists who like Dan Brown but prefer a quicker read - "The Da 
> Vinci Compiler" (groan).
>
> -- Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri Aug 26 11:05:58 2005
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 09:05:58 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] DotNet passing by value
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8689A89B@infoserver01.infostat.local>

John,

It's true and it isn't.  You can pass arguments ByRef in .Net, but it
isn't the default.  And ByVal isn't the same in .Net as it was in
VB/VBA.  The VS.Net help contains a topic called "Parameter Passing
Mechanism Changes in Visual Basic" that you can find by typing "ByRef
keyword, what's changed" in the Look for: box under the index tab.

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 4:10 AM
To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com; 'Access Developers discussion and
problemsolving'
Subject: [AccessD] DotNet passing by value


As you might be aware, VB.Net (and I assume the other .net languages as
well) pass all variables by value.  But what does this mean, and is it
true. As you know, everything in .net is an object, even common
variables such as an integer or decimal etc.  Passing by value (in other
languages) means placing a COPY of the variable (or object in this case)
on the stack as the function is called.  In VBA for example, when you
pass by value, it really does ONLY for the simple data types, passing
anything else (including
strings) by value.  

Imagine passing a string, which could be a million bytes, by value -
literally making a copy and passing that into the stack.  IIRC the total
stack space for a given program in an Intel machine is something like
128 kbytes which means that passing a single (huge) string by value
could cause a stack overflow.  Now DotNet comes along claiming to pass
everything by value.  Is this more doublespeak?  And if so, what is the
truth?

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri Aug 26 11:18:41 2005
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 09:18:41 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Building SQL statement
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8689A89E@infoserver01.infostat.local>

John,  

You might have some cleaner, easier to read code if you made use of a
StringBuilder in .Net.  Once you get the hang of them, you never revert
to VB style concatenation again.

Dim bld As New System.Text.StringBuilder

bld.Append("INSERT INTO WebNewsItem ( WebNewsSourceID, Link, Title,
ArticleDescription ) ")
bld.AppendFormat(" "SELECT {0} AS WebNewsSourceID, ", webNewsSourceID)
bld.AppendFormat("'{0}' AS Link, ", link)
bld.AppendFormat("'{0}' AS Title, ", title)
bld.AppendFormat("'{0}' AS ArticleDescription;",
description.Replace("'", "''"))

lstrSQL = bld.ToString


Charlotte


-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 7:55 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Building SQL statement


I thank everyone for their solutions.  In fact this is in VB.Net.  Fir
this particular problem I think the easiest solution will be to open a
recordset and place the string into a specific field.  I do understand
the issue though and the solution if I do want to build a SQL statement.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of A.D.Tejpal
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 10:40 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Building SQL statement


John,

    Add-In named  SQLToVBAString_ver2.zip, available in folder
0_Utilities And Add-Ins, in files section of Yahoo group named
MS_Access_Professionals might be of interest to you.

    Once installed, it coverts an SQL statement into VBA string (duly
taking care of extra quotes if any) and copies the contents to the
clipboard for direct use in VBA editor.

A.D.Tejpal
--------------

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: John W. Colby 
  To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' 
  Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 08:53
  Subject: [AccessD] Building SQL statement


  I'm attempting to build a SQL statement to append data into a record.
One
  of the fields is text, including (possibly) any valid text including '
- for
  example in contractions such as "aren't" etc.

  My SQL statement is building up a statement in the format:

              lstrSQL = "INSERT INTO WebNewsItem ( WebNewsSourceID,
Link,
  Title, ArticleDescription ) " & _
                          "SELECT " & webNewsSourceID & " AS
WebNewsSourceID,
  '" & link & "' AS Link, '" & title & "' AS Title, '" & description &
"' AS
  ArticleDescription;"

  The problem is that description can contain the ' character and thus I
end
  up with an invalid SQL statement since the ' embedded in description
"looks
  like" the ' that is supposed to enclose the text.

  I can't for the life of me remember how I am supposed to handle this.

  I could punt and open a recordset, create a new record, and place the
data
  directly into the field, which I may end up doing but I sure would
prefer to
  just do the "append query" thing.  It is (was) much simpler.

  John W. Colby
  www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Aug 26 11:32:31 2005
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 18:32:31 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Zip files (was Logic issue)
Message-ID: <s30f604a.049@cactus.dk>

Hi Charlotte

No, why? If so, it would be overkill too, to zip the file.

Cab files
 - are never filtered out except if all attachments are removed.
 - are opened natively by Windows 2000+
 - do compress mdb files better than zip

/gustav

>>> cfoust at infostatsystems.com 26-08-2005 17:51 >>>
Don't you think a cab file is a bit of overkill when all you want to
do
is send an Access demo of a particular kind of operation??



From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri Aug 26 11:43:20 2005
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 09:43:20 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Building SQL statement
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86873C04@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Darn!  The code got mangled and wrapped.  Lets try it again ..
.
Dim bld As New System.Text.StringBuilder

bld.Append("INSERT INTO WebNewsItem ( WebNewsSourceID, Link, Title,
ArticleDescription ) ") 

bld.AppendFormat(" "SELECT {0} AS WebNewsSourceID, ", webNewsSourceID) 

bld.AppendFormat("'{0}' AS Link, ", link) 

bld.AppendFormat("'{0}' AS Title, ", title) 

bld.AppendFormat("'{0}' AS ArticleDescription;",
description.Replace("'", "''"))

lstrSQL = bld.ToString


Charlotte


-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust 
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 9:19 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Building SQL statement


John,  

You might have some cleaner, easier to read code if you made use of a
StringBuilder in .Net.  Once you get the hang of them, you never revert
to VB style concatenation again.

Dim bld As New System.Text.StringBuilder

bld.Append("INSERT INTO WebNewsItem ( WebNewsSourceID, Link, Title,
ArticleDescription ) ") bld.AppendFormat(" "SELECT {0} AS
WebNewsSourceID, ", webNewsSourceID) bld.AppendFormat("'{0}' AS Link, ",
link) bld.AppendFormat("'{0}' AS Title, ", title)
bld.AppendFormat("'{0}' AS ArticleDescription;",
description.Replace("'", "''"))

lstrSQL = bld.ToString


Charlotte


-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 7:55 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Building SQL statement


I thank everyone for their solutions.  In fact this is in VB.Net.  Fir
this particular problem I think the easiest solution will be to open a
recordset and place the string into a specific field.  I do understand
the issue though and the solution if I do want to build a SQL statement.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
http://folding.stanford.edu/

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of A.D.Tejpal
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 10:40 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Building SQL statement


John,

    Add-In named  SQLToVBAString_ver2.zip, available in folder
0_Utilities And Add-Ins, in files section of Yahoo group named
MS_Access_Professionals might be of interest to you.

    Once installed, it coverts an SQL statement into VBA string (duly
taking care of extra quotes if any) and copies the contents to the
clipboard for direct use in VBA editor.

A.D.Tejpal
--------------

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: John W. Colby 
  To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' 
  Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 08:53
  Subject: [AccessD] Building SQL statement


  I'm attempting to build a SQL statement to append data into a record.
One
  of the fields is text, including (possibly) any valid text including '
- for
  example in contractions such as "aren't" etc.

  My SQL statement is building up a statement in the format:

              lstrSQL = "INSERT INTO WebNewsItem ( WebNewsSourceID,
Link,
  Title, ArticleDescription ) " & _
                          "SELECT " & webNewsSourceID & " AS
WebNewsSourceID,
  '" & link & "' AS Link, '" & title & "' AS Title, '" & description &
"' AS
  ArticleDescription;"

  The problem is that description can contain the ' character and thus I
end
  up with an invalid SQL statement since the ' embedded in description
"looks
  like" the ' that is supposed to enclose the text.

  I can't for the life of me remember how I am supposed to handle this.

  I could punt and open a recordset, create a new record, and place the
data
  directly into the field, which I may end up doing but I sure would
prefer to
  just do the "append query" thing.  It is (was) much simpler.

  John W. Colby
  www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Aug 26 11:56:53 2005
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 09:56:53 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Using technolgyl
In-Reply-To: <001d01c5aa0e$b377bcc0$a5c00c54@minster33c3r25>
Message-ID: <0ILU002WQ9QSE7@l-daemon>

As this is Friday I thought I would pass this along.

Just your typical integration expert who happens to know some Microsoft and
java technology jargon keywords and decided it was a brilliant idea to
integrate technologies using as many as he/she could:
 
http://www.thedailywtf.com/forums/41672/ShowPost.aspx
 
...and it works... only just.

Of course we have all done similar projects :-)

Jim 



From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Aug 26 12:00:57 2005
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 10:00:57 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Zip files (was Logic issue)
In-Reply-To: <s30f0af3.039@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <0ILU0024E9XKAU@l-daemon>

That is brilliant... where do find all this stuff?

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 3:28 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Zip files (was Logic issue)

Hi all

As I wrote last year:

Some strip zip files from e-mails to avoid vira and spyware, thus cab
files can be a valid alternative for attaching compressed files.

You can use a MS command line util for this (cabarc.exe or makecab.exe)
or a freeware tool like CabPack 1.4, but did you know that Internet
Explorer comes with a GUI wizard-type wrapper for CabArc called
IExpress?

Just type iexpress at the Run entry in the Start menu. When finished,
it offers to save your settings as a "sed" file so you easily can repeat
a packing session.

/gustav


>>> cfoust at infostatsystems.com 25-08-2005 17:20 >>>
Does anyone know what the logic is for blocking zip files?  I run into
this occasionally and it drives me nuts!  You zip files to avoid the
filters that won't accept an mdb, etc., and then you run into filters
that won't accept the zip files.  Oops, Catch-22.  That drumming you
hear is my head pounding against the wall ....

Charlotte Foust

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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Aug 26 12:30:12 2005
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 19:30:12 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Zip files (was Logic issue)
Message-ID: <s30f6dea.051@cactus.dk>

Hi Jim

Thanks! This one I picked up at Fred Langa:

  http://www.langa.com/newsletters/2003/2003-06-23.htm 

/gustav

>>> accessd at shaw.ca 26-08-2005 19:00 >>>
That is brilliant... where do find all this stuff?

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav
Brock
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 3:28 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Zip files (was Logic issue)

Hi all

As I wrote last year:

Some strip zip files from e-mails to avoid vira and spyware, thus cab
files can be a valid alternative for attaching compressed files.

You can use a MS command line util for this (cabarc.exe or
makecab.exe)
or a freeware tool like CabPack 1.4, but did you know that Internet
Explorer comes with a GUI wizard-type wrapper for CabArc called
IExpress?

Just type iexpress at the Run entry in the Start menu. When finished,
it offers to save your settings as a "sed" file so you easily can
repeat
a packing session.

/gustav


>>> cfoust at infostatsystems.com 25-08-2005 17:20 >>>
Does anyone know what the logic is for blocking zip files?  I run into
this occasionally and it drives me nuts!  You zip files to avoid the
filters that won't accept an mdb, etc., and then you run into filters
that won't accept the zip files.  Oops, Catch-22.  That drumming you
hear is my head pounding against the wall ....

Charlotte Foust



From pedro at plex.nl  Fri Aug 26 17:29:52 2005
From: pedro at plex.nl (Pedro Janssen)
Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 00:29:52 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] adding control number
References: <s30f1bd8.041@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <008c01c5aa8d$ae8cc960$fac581d5@pedro>

Hello,

thanks to alle who responded. You real time savers.

Pedro Janssen


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gustav Brock" <Gustav at cactus.dk>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 1:40 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] adding control number


> Hi Pedro 
> 
> Looks like a Modulus 10 check digit calculation.
> Below is a function that will do this for you in a maintainable way.
> 
> Use it like this:
> 
> strChk = Right(ModulusAppend("00327833", 10), Len("00327833"))
> 
> /gustav
> 
> <code>
> 
> Function ModulusAppend( _
>   ByVal strNumber As String, _
>   ByVal intModulus As Integer) _
>   As String
> 
> ' Appends a Modulus 10 or 11 check digit to strNumber.
> '
> ' 1999-10-08. Cactus Data ApS, CPH.
> 
>   Dim intC As Integer, intF As Integer, intN As Integer
>   Dim intL As Integer, intM As Integer, intT As Integer
>   Dim strNumCheck As String
>   Dim strNumChr   As String
>   Dim strNumClean As String
>   
>   ' Max. length of number.
>   intM = 32 - 1
>   
>   If intModulus = 10 Or intModulus = 11 Then
>     intL = Len(strNumber)
>     ' Remove non-digits.
>     For intN = 0 To intL - 1
>       strNumChr = Mid(strNumber, intN + 1, 1)
>       If (Asc(strNumChr) >= 48) And (Asc(strNumChr) <= 57) Then
>         strNumClean = strNumClean & strNumChr
>       End If
>     Next intN
>     strNumber = strNumClean
>     intL = Len(strNumber)
>   End If
>   
>   If intL > 0 And intL <= intM Then
>     For intN = 0 To intL - 1
>       intC = Val(Mid(strNumber, intL - intN, 1))
>       Select Case intModulus
>         Case Is = 10
>           intF = (1 + ((intN + 1) Mod 2))
>           intC = intF * intC
>           intC = Int(intC / 10) + (intC Mod 10)
>         Case Is = 11
>           intF = 2 + (intN Mod 6)
>           intC = intF * intC
>       End Select
>       intT = intT + intC
>     Next
>     Select Case intModulus
>       Case Is = 10
>         intC = intT - (intT Mod intModulus) + intModulus
>         strNumCheck = Format((intC - intT) Mod intModulus, "@")
>       Case Is = 11
>         intC = intModulus - (intT Mod intModulus)
>         Select Case intC
>           Case Is = 11
>             ' A check digit for this number cannot be calculated!
>             strNumber = vbNullString
>             intC = 0
>             Beep
>           Case Is = 10
>             intC = 0
>         End Select
>         strNumCheck = Format(intC, "@")
>     End Select
>     strNumber = strNumber & strNumCheck
>   Else
>     strNumber = "0"
>   End If
>   
>   ModulusAppend = strNumber
> 
> End Function
> 
> </code>
> 
> 
> >>> pedro at plex.nl 26-08-2005 11:11 >>>
> Hello Group,
> 
> I have an ID (text, because it begins with 00) that exist of 8
> numbers.
> I need to change this ID by removing the first 0, and by adding a extra
> control number.
> This control number can be calculated from this ID. This can be done by
> several query's. Is it possible to do in one query??
> 
> For example.
> 
> I have ID:  00327833
> 
> Take the number of the odd positions:    0 3 7 3
> 
> Place these numbers behind each other to make one number:    0373
> 
> Multiply this number with 2:    0373 x 2 = 0746
> 
> Count up the separate numbers from this last multiplication:    0 + 7 +
> 4 + 6 = 17
> 
> >From the original ID, take the even positions:    0 2 8 3
> 
> Count up the separate numbers from the even positions with the sum of
> the last count up:    17 + 0 + 2 + 8 + 3 = 30
> 
> The last number of the previous sum is the extra control number:    0
> 
> >From the original ID, remove the first 0 and add the control number:  
>  03278330
> 
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From artful at rogers.com  Fri Aug 26 22:38:33 2005
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 23:38:33 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] VBA to ActiveX
In-Reply-To: <20050822214246.41640.qmail@web33114.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <200508270338.j7R3cTR04495@databaseadvisors.com>

I somehow missed your question in previous visits. Did you receive a
satisfactory answer? In short, I would say that ALL such calculation-type
code that can be moved to the server SHOULD be moved to the server.
Depending on the particulars, you might use a sproc or a UDF, but I am most
definitely in the camp that what the back end can do the back end SHOULD do.

Arthur

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lonnie Johnson
Sent: August 22, 2005 5:43 PM
To: AccessD solving'
Subject: [AccessD] VBA to ActiveX

I have lots of VBA code in an Access datatabase that runs each night to
update various tables and values based on certain conditions. Some of it is
complicated such as calculating distance based on longitude and latitude and
it is why I use VBA.
 
However, I would like to move this processing over to our SQL Server. Would
it be easy to convert some of the functions to DTS ActiveX packages? Is this
even the way to go? I am looking to increase the performance and figured I
could do so by moving it to the SQL Server side.




May God bless you beyond your imagination!
Lonnie Johnson
ProDev, Professional Development of MS Access Databases
Visit me at ==> http://www.prodev.us





 





		
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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Sat Aug 27 00:19:22 2005
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 22:19:22 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] adding control number
References: <s30f1bd8.041@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <430FF7DA.6050700@shaw.ca>

Just as a matter of interest this works to verify last digit on Canadian 
SIN Social Insurance number
Just pass first 8 digits in string ModulusAppend(lSIN, 10)
and you get 9'th check digit appended.
You could use for verifying ISBN numbers but need to handle additional 
 appending of -X in method

Gustav Brock wrote:

>Hi Pedro 
>
>Looks like a Modulus 10 check digit calculation.
>Below is a function that will do this for you in a maintainable way.
>
>Use it like this:
>
>strChk = Right(ModulusAppend("00327833", 10), Len("00327833"))
>
>/gustav
>
><code>
>
>Function ModulusAppend( _
>  ByVal strNumber As String, _
>  ByVal intModulus As Integer) _
>  As String
>
>' Appends a Modulus 10 or 11 check digit to strNumber.
>'
>' 1999-10-08. Cactus Data ApS, CPH.
>
>  Dim intC As Integer, intF As Integer, intN As Integer
>  Dim intL As Integer, intM As Integer, intT As Integer
>  Dim strNumCheck As String
>  Dim strNumChr   As String
>  Dim strNumClean As String
>  
>  ' Max. length of number.
>  intM = 32 - 1
>  
>  If intModulus = 10 Or intModulus = 11 Then
>    intL = Len(strNumber)
>    ' Remove non-digits.
>    For intN = 0 To intL - 1
>      strNumChr = Mid(strNumber, intN + 1, 1)
>      If (Asc(strNumChr) >= 48) And (Asc(strNumChr) <= 57) Then
>        strNumClean = strNumClean & strNumChr
>      End If
>    Next intN
>    strNumber = strNumClean
>    intL = Len(strNumber)
>  End If
>  
>  If intL > 0 And intL <= intM Then
>    For intN = 0 To intL - 1
>      intC = Val(Mid(strNumber, intL - intN, 1))
>      Select Case intModulus
>        Case Is = 10
>          intF = (1 + ((intN + 1) Mod 2))
>          intC = intF * intC
>          intC = Int(intC / 10) + (intC Mod 10)
>        Case Is = 11
>          intF = 2 + (intN Mod 6)
>          intC = intF * intC
>      End Select
>      intT = intT + intC
>    Next
>    Select Case intModulus
>      Case Is = 10
>        intC = intT - (intT Mod intModulus) + intModulus
>        strNumCheck = Format((intC - intT) Mod intModulus, "@")
>      Case Is = 11
>        intC = intModulus - (intT Mod intModulus)
>        Select Case intC
>          Case Is = 11
>            ' A check digit for this number cannot be calculated!
>            strNumber = vbNullString
>            intC = 0
>            Beep
>          Case Is = 10
>            intC = 0
>        End Select
>        strNumCheck = Format(intC, "@")
>    End Select
>    strNumber = strNumber & strNumCheck
>  Else
>    strNumber = "0"
>  End If
>  
>  ModulusAppend = strNumber
>
>End Function
>
></code>
>
>
>  
>
>>>>pedro at plex.nl 26-08-2005 11:11 >>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>Hello Group,
>
>I have an ID (text, because it begins with 00) that exist of 8
>numbers.
>I need to change this ID by removing the first 0, and by adding a extra
>control number.
>This control number can be calculated from this ID. This can be done by
>several query's. Is it possible to do in one query??
>
>For example.
>
>I have ID:  00327833
>
>Take the number of the odd positions:    0 3 7 3
>
>Place these numbers behind each other to make one number:    0373
>
>Multiply this number with 2:    0373 x 2 = 0746
>
>Count up the separate numbers from this last multiplication:    0 + 7 +
>4 + 6 = 17
>
>>From the original ID, take the even positions:    0 2 8 3
>
>Count up the separate numbers from the even positions with the sum of
>the last count up:    17 + 0 + 2 + 8 + 3 = 30
>
>The last number of the previous sum is the extra control number:    0
>
>>From the original ID, remove the first 0 and add the control number:  
> 03278330
>
>  
>

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Canada





From Gustav at cactus.dk  Sat Aug 27 01:38:53 2005
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 08:38:53 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] adding control number
Message-ID: <s31026ba.057@cactus.dk>

Hi Marty

Yes, Modulus 10 verification is widely used. 
Another example is the European unique product numbers EAN-8 and EAN-13
which I understand now is to be implemented in the US as well. Usually
it is presented as a barcode too.

Another check is the Modulus 9710 verification. Much more fun, and used
for the international exchange of bank accounts called IBAN.

/gustav

>>> martyconnelly at shaw.ca 27-08-2005 07:19 >>>
Just as a matter of interest this works to verify last digit on
Canadian 
SIN Social Insurance number
Just pass first 8 digits in string ModulusAppend(lSIN, 10)
and you get 9'th check digit appended.
You could use for verifying ISBN numbers but need to handle additional

 appending of -X in method

Gustav Brock wrote:

>Hi Pedro 
>
>Looks like a Modulus 10 check digit calculation.



From artful at rogers.com  Sun Aug 28 07:37:33 2005
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2005 08:37:33 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Select Count(*) from different tables
In-Reply-To: <200508270338.j7R3cTR04495@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <200508281237.j7SCbdR05631@databaseadvisors.com>

I have two MDBs identical in structure (or nearly so) and I want to compare
the counts of each pair of tables and put the results all in a single query.
I know that I have done this before, but I can't quite remember the syntax I
used. It is something along the lines of:
SELECT 
Count(*) AS AssessID_Notes_Count
FROM [AssessID_Notes_DS Without Matching AssessID_Notes],
(SELECT Count(*) AS Bill_Time_Machine_Count
FROM [Bill_Time_Machine_DS Without Matching Bill_Time_Machine])

But the above returns only one column, not two as I would expect. Since I
want to compare about two dozen tables (queries, actually), I stopped at two
until I could get it right. Removing the parentheses from the second
"column" results in an error.
Can anyone suggest the correct syntax for this type of query? (This case is
Access MDB not ADP, but it might be useful to have both answers handy.)
TIA,
Arthur



From artful at rogers.com  Sun Aug 28 07:51:46 2005
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2005 08:51:46 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Select Count(*) from different tables
In-Reply-To: <200508281237.j7SCbdR05631@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <200508281251.j7SCpqR09395@databaseadvisors.com>

I should perhaps have pointed out that the way I am doing this is by using a
third MDB which links to the two MDBs of interest and their tables of
interest. The links to the tables in MDB_1 have been renamed using the "_DS"
suffix, to distinguish them from identically named tables without the suffix
in MDB_2. That might help you make sense of the query.
I did it this way so as not to clutter either MDB_1 or MDB_2 with the
compare queries.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: August 28, 2005 8:38 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Select Count(*) from different tables

I have two MDBs identical in structure (or nearly so) and I want to compare
the counts of each pair of tables and put the results all in a single query.
I know that I have done this before, but I can't quite remember the syntax I
used. It is something along the lines of:
SELECT 
Count(*) AS AssessID_Notes_Count
FROM [AssessID_Notes_DS Without Matching AssessID_Notes],
(SELECT Count(*) AS Bill_Time_Machine_Count
FROM [Bill_Time_Machine_DS Without Matching Bill_Time_Machine])

But the above returns only one column, not two as I would expect. Since I
want to compare about two dozen tables (queries, actually), I stopped at two
until I could get it right. Removing the parentheses from the second
"column" results in an error.
Can anyone suggest the correct syntax for this type of query? (This case is
Access MDB not ADP, but it might be useful to have both answers handy.)
TIA,
Arthur

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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Sun Aug 28 08:01:35 2005
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2005 15:01:35 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Select Count(*) from different tables
Message-ID: <s311d1e9.072@cactus.dk>

Hi Arthur

It could be:

  SELECT 
      Count(*) AS 
    AssessID_Notes_Count,
      (SELECT 
        Count(*) 
      FROM 
        [Bill_Time_Machine_DS Without Matching Bill_Time_Machine]) AS 
    Bill_Time_Machine_Count
  FROM 
    [AssessID_Notes_DS Without Matching AssessID_Notes];

/gustav

>>> artful at rogers.com 28-08-2005 14:37 >>>
I have two MDBs identical in structure (or nearly so) and I want to
compare
the counts of each pair of tables and put the results all in a single
query.
I know that I have done this before, but I can't quite remember the
syntax I
used. It is something along the lines of:
SELECT 
Count(*) AS AssessID_Notes_Count
FROM [AssessID_Notes_DS Without Matching AssessID_Notes],
(SELECT Count(*) AS Bill_Time_Machine_Count
FROM [Bill_Time_Machine_DS Without Matching Bill_Time_Machine])

But the above returns only one column, not two as I would expect. Since
I
want to compare about two dozen tables (queries, actually), I stopped
at two
until I could get it right. Removing the parentheses from the second
"column" results in an error.
Can anyone suggest the correct syntax for this type of query? (This
case is
Access MDB not ADP, but it might be useful to have both answers
handy.)
TIA,
Arthur



From adtp at touchtelindia.net  Sun Aug 28 09:44:12 2005
From: adtp at touchtelindia.net (A.D.Tejpal)
Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2005 20:14:12 +0530
Subject: [AccessD] Select Count(*) from different tables
References: <200508281237.j7SCbdR05631@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <008d01c5abdf$05905950$811865cb@winxp>

Arthur,

    Sample query given below will get you four columns of Count(*) from four tables named T_A to T_D.

    Table T_Dummy is a dummy table with just one record. Its contents are of no significance.

Best wishes,
A.D.Tejpal
--------------

==================================
SELECT (Select Count(*) From T_A) AS Count_A, (Select Count(*) From T_B) AS Count_B, (Select Count(*) From T_C) AS Count_C, (Select Count(*) From T_D) AS Count_D
FROM T_Dummy;
==================================

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Arthur Fuller 
  To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' 
  Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2005 18:07
  Subject: [AccessD] Select Count(*) from different tables


  I have two MDBs identical in structure (or nearly so) and I want to compare the counts of each pair of tables and put the results all in a single query.
  I know that I have done this before, but I can't quite remember the syntax I used. It is something along the lines of:
  SELECT 
  Count(*) AS AssessID_Notes_Count
  FROM [AssessID_Notes_DS Without Matching AssessID_Notes],
  (SELECT Count(*) AS Bill_Time_Machine_Count
  FROM [Bill_Time_Machine_DS Without Matching Bill_Time_Machine])

  But the above returns only one column, not two as I would expect. Since I
  want to compare about two dozen tables (queries, actually), I stopped at two
  until I could get it right. Removing the parentheses from the second
  "column" results in an error.
  Can anyone suggest the correct syntax for this type of query? (This case is
  Access MDB not ADP, but it might be useful to have both answers handy.)
  TIA,
  Arthur


From artful at rogers.com  Sun Aug 28 11:35:26 2005
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2005 12:35:26 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Select Count(*) from different tables
In-Reply-To: <s311d1e9.072@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <200508281635.j7SGZTR00910@databaseadvisors.com>

Thanks! My excuse is old age LOL. :-)

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: August 28, 2005 9:02 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Select Count(*) from different tables

Hi Arthur

It could be:

  SELECT 
      Count(*) AS 
    AssessID_Notes_Count,
      (SELECT 
        Count(*) 
      FROM 
        [Bill_Time_Machine_DS Without Matching Bill_Time_Machine]) AS 
    Bill_Time_Machine_Count
  FROM 
    [AssessID_Notes_DS Without Matching AssessID_Notes];

/gustav

>>> artful at rogers.com 28-08-2005 14:37 >>>
I have two MDBs identical in structure (or nearly so) and I want to
compare
the counts of each pair of tables and put the results all in a single
query.
I know that I have done this before, but I can't quite remember the
syntax I
used. It is something along the lines of:
SELECT 
Count(*) AS AssessID_Notes_Count
FROM [AssessID_Notes_DS Without Matching AssessID_Notes],
(SELECT Count(*) AS Bill_Time_Machine_Count
FROM [Bill_Time_Machine_DS Without Matching Bill_Time_Machine])

But the above returns only one column, not two as I would expect. Since
I
want to compare about two dozen tables (queries, actually), I stopped
at two
until I could get it right. Removing the parentheses from the second
"column" results in an error.
Can anyone suggest the correct syntax for this type of query? (This
case is
Access MDB not ADP, but it might be useful to have both answers
handy.)
TIA,
Arthur

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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sun Aug 28 17:02:01 2005
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 08:02:01 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Select Count(*) from different tables
In-Reply-To: <200508281237.j7SCbdR05631@databaseadvisors.com>
References: <200508270338.j7R3cTR04495@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <4312C0F9.270.16AE89F0@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

On 28 Aug 2005 at 8:37, Arthur Fuller wrote:

Not sure quite what you mean bye compair the count of "each pair of tables" 
since you also say "I want to compare about two dozen tables"

Is this what you are talking about?
 
SELECT  "AssessID_Notes" as QName,  Count(*) 
 FROM [AssessID_Notes_DS Without Matching AssessID_Notes],

UNION

SELECT "Bill_Time_Machine",  Count(*) 
 FROM [Bill_Time_Machine_DS Without Matching Bill_Time_Machine])

UNION

SELECT "Description","Count(*)
FROM [qryMyNextQuery]


> I have two MDBs identical in structure (or nearly so) and I want to
> compare the counts of each pair of tables and put the results all in a
> single query. I know that I have done this before, but I can't quite
> remember the syntax I used. It is something along the lines of: 
> 

> But the above returns only one column, not two as I would expect. Since
> I want to compare about two dozen tables (queries, actually), I stopped
> at two until I could get it right. Removing the parentheses from the
> second "column" results in an error. 

> Can anyone suggest the correct syntax for this type of query? (This case
> is Access MDB not ADP, but it might be useful to have both answers
> handy.) 

-- 
Stuart




From artful at rogers.com  Sun Aug 28 17:14:44 2005
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2005 18:14:44 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Select Count(*) from different tables
In-Reply-To: <4312C0F9.270.16AE89F0@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <200508282214.j7SMEiR18224@databaseadvisors.com>

That is one potential approach but not the one I had in mind. What I had in
mind was more like this. Assume BE1 and BE2, both linked to the FE that does
this.
Select Count(*) From BE1.Table1, Count(*) From BE2.T1
Select Count(*) From BE1.Table2, Count(*) From BE2.T2

Actually, this is not necessary since there are queries that use the
non-duplicate thingie to return the rows not present in BE2 that are present
in BE1. I then use this query result to do an append query to BE2. 
At this moment, I can do what I need to do using Dcount(), but it sucks, in
terms of performance. It works, but it is SLOW.
For each pair of tables (call the abstract T1_DS and T1), I want the
rowcount from each and to report the difference. And I want to do these
differences for all the tables of interest. Assume about 25 pairs of tables.
The Union approach gives me rows. I want columns, because I want to display
the results on one "row" of one results form.
A.
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: August 28, 2005 6:02 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Select Count(*) from different tables

On 28 Aug 2005 at 8:37, Arthur Fuller wrote:

Not sure quite what you mean bye compair the count of "each pair of tables" 
since you also say "I want to compare about two dozen tables"

Is this what you are talking about?
 
SELECT  "AssessID_Notes" as QName,  Count(*) 
 FROM [AssessID_Notes_DS Without Matching AssessID_Notes],

UNION

SELECT "Bill_Time_Machine",  Count(*) 
 FROM [Bill_Time_Machine_DS Without Matching Bill_Time_Machine])

UNION

SELECT "Description","Count(*)
FROM [qryMyNextQuery]


> I have two MDBs identical in structure (or nearly so) and I want to
> compare the counts of each pair of tables and put the results all in a
> single query. I know that I have done this before, but I can't quite
> remember the syntax I used. It is something along the lines of: 
> 

> But the above returns only one column, not two as I would expect. Since
> I want to compare about two dozen tables (queries, actually), I stopped
> at two until I could get it right. Removing the parentheses from the
> second "column" results in an error. 

> Can anyone suggest the correct syntax for this type of query? (This case
> is Access MDB not ADP, but it might be useful to have both answers
> handy.) 

-- 
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From actebs at actebs.com.au  Sun Aug 28 19:05:48 2005
From: actebs at actebs.com.au (ACTEBS)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 10:05:48 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Relink temporarily
Message-ID: <2025BB6F17FCB54791F23CD50558332810FC74@starfleet.unknown.local>

Hi everyone,
 
Does anyone have a procedure that they are willing to share that can
temporarily link a table and then once finished removes the link from
the DB? I am using A2K for a small app and just can't seem to find any
info on this...
 
Thanks in advance
Vlad
 
 


From adtp at touchtelindia.net  Sun Aug 28 22:58:22 2005
From: adtp at touchtelindia.net (A.D.Tejpal)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 09:28:22 +0530
Subject: [AccessD] Select Count(*) from different tables
References: <200508282214.j7SMEiR18224@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <004a01c5ac4d$f97c4f60$0100007f@winxp>

Arthur,

    The solution suggested in my previous post is meant to ensure an output of just one row, the number of columns being equal to the number of tables in question.

Best wishes,
A.D.Tejpal
--------------

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Arthur Fuller 
  To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' 
  Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 03:44
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] Select Count(*) from different tables


  That is one potential approach but not the one I had in mind. What I had in mind was more like this. Assume BE1 and BE2, both linked to the FE that does this.
  Select Count(*) From BE1.Table1, Count(*) From BE2.T1
  Select Count(*) From BE1.Table2, Count(*) From BE2.T2

  Actually, this is not necessary since there are queries that use the
  non-duplicate thingie to return the rows not present in BE2 that are present
  in BE1. I then use this query result to do an append query to BE2. 
  At this moment, I can do what I need to do using Dcount(), but it sucks, in
  terms of performance. It works, but it is SLOW.
  For each pair of tables (call the abstract T1_DS and T1), I want the
  rowcount from each and to report the difference. And I want to do these
  differences for all the tables of interest. Assume about 25 pairs of tables.
  The Union approach gives me rows. I want columns, because I want to display
  the results on one "row" of one results form.
  A.
  -----Original Message-----
  From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
  [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
  Sent: August 28, 2005 6:02 PM
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Select Count(*) from different tables

  On 28 Aug 2005 at 8:37, Arthur Fuller wrote:

  Not sure quite what you mean bye compair the count of "each pair of tables" 
  since you also say "I want to compare about two dozen tables"

  Is this what you are talking about?
   
  SELECT  "AssessID_Notes" as QName,  Count(*) 
   FROM [AssessID_Notes_DS Without Matching AssessID_Notes],

  UNION

  SELECT "Bill_Time_Machine",  Count(*) 
   FROM [Bill_Time_Machine_DS Without Matching Bill_Time_Machine])

  UNION

  SELECT "Description","Count(*)
  FROM [qryMyNextQuery]


  > I have two MDBs identical in structure (or nearly so) and I want to
  > compare the counts of each pair of tables and put the results all in a
  > single query. I know that I have done this before, but I can't quite
  > remember the syntax I used. It is something along the lines of: 
  > 

  > But the above returns only one column, not two as I would expect. Since
  > I want to compare about two dozen tables (queries, actually), I stopped
  > at two until I could get it right. Removing the parentheses from the
  > second "column" results in an error. 

  > Can anyone suggest the correct syntax for this type of query? (This case
  > is Access MDB not ADP, but it might be useful to have both answers
  > handy.) 

  -- 
  Stuart


From Gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Aug 29 03:15:57 2005
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 10:15:57 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Relink temporarily
Message-ID: <s312e07b.078@cactus.dk>

Hi Vlad

You can use IN in a select query for this:

  SELECT 
    *
  FROM 
    tblTable IN "" [;DATABASE=d:\folder\file.mdb;];

This will not even link the table, just open it.

If you need an actual linked table, use DoCmd.TransferDatabase with the
constant acLink and delete the table when finished.

/gustav

>>> actebs at actebs.com.au 29-08-2005 02:05 >>>
Hi everyone,
 
Does anyone have a procedure that they are willing to share that can
temporarily link a table and then once finished removes the link from
the DB? I am using A2K for a small app and just can't seem to find any
info on this...
 
Thanks in advance
Vlad



From viner at EUnet.yu  Mon Aug 29 06:46:29 2005
From: viner at EUnet.yu (Ervin Brindza)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 13:46:29 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Excel Repeat the first row of the table on every page
Message-ID: <003301c5ac8f$55a896e0$0100a8c0@RazvojErvin>

My little problem is: I wish to repeat the header row of the table on every printed page. Can somebody help me?
TIA,
    Ervin

From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Mon Aug 29 07:10:17 2005
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 22:10:17 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Excel Repeat the first row of the table on every
	page
In-Reply-To: <003301c5ac8f$55a896e0$0100a8c0@RazvojErvin>
Message-ID: <431387C9.16618.19B7299C@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

On 29 Aug 2005 at 13:46, Ervin Brindza wrote:

> My little problem is: I wish to repeat the header row of the table on
> every printed page. 

"File | Page Setup | Sheet | Rows to repeat at top"

-- 
Stuart




From viner at EUnet.yu  Mon Aug 29 07:19:38 2005
From: viner at EUnet.yu (Ervin Brindza)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 14:19:38 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Excel Repeat the first row of the table on everypage
References: <431387C9.16618.19B7299C@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <000b01c5ac93$f2366bf0$0100a8c0@RazvojErvin>

Oh, I forgot that ;-(
Stuart  many thanks for the info!
Ervin
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stuart McLachlan" <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 2:10 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Excel Repeat the first row of the table on
everypage


> On 29 Aug 2005 at 13:46, Ervin Brindza wrote:
>
> > My little problem is: I wish to repeat the header row of the table on
> > every printed page.
>
> "File | Page Setup | Sheet | Rows to repeat at top"
>
> --
> Stuart
>
>
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From actebs at actebs.com.au  Mon Aug 29 08:13:09 2005
From: actebs at actebs.com.au (ACTEBS)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 23:13:09 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Relink temporarily
Message-ID: <2025BB6F17FCB54791F23CD50558332810FC85@starfleet.unknown.local>

Thanks Gustav - you're a god!! 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Monday, 29 August 2005 6:16 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Relink temporarily

Hi Vlad

You can use IN in a select query for this:

  SELECT 
    *
  FROM 
    tblTable IN "" [;DATABASE=d:\folder\file.mdb;];

This will not even link the table, just open it.

If you need an actual linked table, use DoCmd.TransferDatabase with the
constant acLink and delete the table when finished.

/gustav

>>> actebs at actebs.com.au 29-08-2005 02:05 >>>
Hi everyone,
 
Does anyone have a procedure that they are willing to share that can
temporarily link a table and then once finished removes the link from
the DB? I am using A2K for a small app and just can't seem to find any
info on this...
 
Thanks in advance
Vlad

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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Aug 29 08:59:03 2005
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 15:59:03 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Relink temporarily
Message-ID: <s31330e5.084@cactus.dk>

Hi Vlad

Oh, thanks, if only I was. 
That would minimize my to-do list within a few seconds - and at the
same time add a lot of new hot topics with quite wide coverage!

Well, back to work ...

/gustav

>>> actebs at actebs.com.au 29-08-2005 15:13 >>>
Thanks Gustav - you're a god!! 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav
Brock
Sent: Monday, 29 August 2005 6:16 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Relink temporarily

Hi Vlad

You can use IN in a select query for this:

  SELECT 
    *
  FROM 
    tblTable IN "" [;DATABASE=d:\folder\file.mdb;];

This will not even link the table, just open it.

If you need an actual linked table, use DoCmd.TransferDatabase with
the
constant acLink and delete the table when finished.

/gustav

>>> actebs at actebs.com.au 29-08-2005 02:05 >>>
Hi everyone,
 
Does anyone have a procedure that they are willing to share that can
temporarily link a table and then once finished removes the link from
the DB? I am using A2K for a small app and just can't seem to find any
info on this...
 
Thanks in advance
Vlad



From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Mon Aug 29 09:46:26 2005
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (DWUTKA at marlow.com)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 09:46:26 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Field Sizes
Message-ID: <123701F54509D9119A4F00D0B747349016DE97@main2.marlow.com>

Flames?  Over field sizes?  Oh please, not worth the effort.  Besides,
everyone knows that 255 is the way to go. ;)

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 4:51 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Field Sizes


We may have discussed it before, but that doesn't mean we all agreed!  I
object to 255 because in prior versions of Access I ran into problems of
"query too complex" when all the query fields were 255 because they
inherited the table widths.  If you don't want to save 255 characters in
a field, there is absolutely no point in making the field that wide! So,
there!! <g>

(Let the flames begin .... )

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Stuart McLachlan [mailto:stuart at lexacorp.com.pg] 
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 2:18 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Field Sizes


On 25 Aug 2005 at 11:27, John Clark wrote:

> I've got bigger problems right now, but I've meant to ask something 
> forever and...well...today is the day, I guess. What do y'all use for 
> standard sizes for typical text fields, such as Last Name, First Name,

> Address, City, etc.? Is there a "common practice rule" concerning 
> this?
> 

We've had this discussion before <g>

255 characters.

Access doesn't use fixed length storage for strings and you don't save
any 
space by defining text fields as less than the maximum allowable.  I
change 
the default field size for text strings to 255 in Options and never
change 
it for individual filed definitions.

All that restricting field sizes does for you is increase the risk of 
truncating data or throwing up error messages at the user sometime in
the 
future.



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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Mon Aug 29 10:23:56 2005
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (DWUTKA at marlow.com)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 10:23:56 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Select Count(*) from different tables
Message-ID: <123701F54509D9119A4F00D0B747349016DE98@main2.marlow.com>

You need subquerries for the second (third, fourth, etc) 'counts'

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Arthur Fuller [mailto:artful at rogers.com]
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2005 7:38 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Select Count(*) from different tables


I have two MDBs identical in structure (or nearly so) and I want to compare
the counts of each pair of tables and put the results all in a single query.
I know that I have done this before, but I can't quite remember the syntax I
used. It is something along the lines of:
SELECT 
Count(*) AS AssessID_Notes_Count
FROM [AssessID_Notes_DS Without Matching AssessID_Notes],
(SELECT Count(*) AS Bill_Time_Machine_Count
FROM [Bill_Time_Machine_DS Without Matching Bill_Time_Machine])

But the above returns only one column, not two as I would expect. Since I
want to compare about two dozen tables (queries, actually), I stopped at two
until I could get it right. Removing the parentheses from the second
"column" results in an error.
Can anyone suggest the correct syntax for this type of query? (This case is
Access MDB not ADP, but it might be useful to have both answers handy.)
TIA,
Arthur

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From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com  Mon Aug 29 11:04:28 2005
From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 11:04:28 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Label on a chart problem
Message-ID: <F1DD538AE6BCE74EBE562DE51564D322FACAD9@houexch1.kindermorgan.com>

I have a chart that is based on a table that has 21 rows. The chart
plots fine. However if I base the report on the same table and put a
label on the chart using one of the fields in the table the chart prints
21 times. The field I am using is called pattern name and is the same in
all 21 records. Is there a way to put this field on the chart as a label
but only one time?

 

Chester Kaup

Engineering Technician

Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP

Office (432) 688-3797

FAX (432) 688-3799

 

 

No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However a large
number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced.

 



From john at winhaven.net  Mon Aug 29 11:20:29 2005
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 11:20:29 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Field Sizes
In-Reply-To: <430EC229.20195.713431B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <200508291620.j7TGKVR15741@databaseadvisors.com>

Q: Does it matter when upsizing to SQL Server?  

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan

255 characters.

Access doesn't use fixed length storage for strings and you don't save any
space by defining text fields as less than the maximum allowable.  I change
the default field size for text strings to 255 in Options and never change
it for individual filed definitions.

All that restricting field sizes does for you is increase the risk of
truncating data or throwing up error messages at the user sometime in the
future.



From dmcafee at pacbell.net  Mon Aug 29 11:37:42 2005
From: dmcafee at pacbell.net (dmcafee at pacbell.net)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 09:37:42 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Field Sizes
In-Reply-To: <200508291620.j7TGKVR15741@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <KDEHKEMIOHGKCDHLPPLKGEGBFIAA.dmcafee@pacbell.net>

In SQL you can make everything a VARCHAR(8000) 

:P



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Bartow
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 9:20 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Field Sizes


Q: Does it matter when upsizing to SQL Server?  

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan

255 characters.

Access doesn't use fixed length storage for strings and you don't save any
space by defining text fields as less than the maximum allowable.  I change
the default field size for text strings to 255 in Options and never change
it for individual filed definitions.

All that restricting field sizes does for you is increase the risk of
truncating data or throwing up error messages at the user sometime in the
future.

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From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com  Mon Aug 29 11:37:41 2005
From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 11:37:41 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] RE: Label on a chart problem
Message-ID: <F1DD538AE6BCE74EBE562DE51564D322FACAF7@houexch1.kindermorgan.com>

Problem solved by making a query to extract one record and then doing a
sub report for that one record and placing it in the main report. Works
but maybe there is a better way?

 

  _____  

From: Kaup, Chester 
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 11:04 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Label on a chart problem

 

I have a chart that is based on a table that has 21 rows. The chart
plots fine. However if I base the report on the same table and put a
label on the chart using one of the fields in the table the chart prints
21 times. The field I am using is called pattern name and is the same in
all 21 records. Is there a way to put this field on the chart as a label
but only one time?

 

Chester Kaup

Engineering Technician

Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP

Office (432) 688-3797

FAX (432) 688-3799

 

 

No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However a large
number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced.

 



From john at winhaven.net  Mon Aug 29 12:01:16 2005
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 12:01:16 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Field Sizes
In-Reply-To: <KDEHKEMIOHGKCDHLPPLKGEGBFIAA.dmcafee@pacbell.net>
Message-ID: <200508291701.j7TH1HR26777@databaseadvisors.com>

On that note, is it good advice to make all text fields VarCHar in SQL
Server?

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
dmcafee at pacbell.net

In SQL you can make everything a VARCHAR(8000) 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Bartow

Q: Does it matter when upsizing to SQL Server?  

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan

255 characters.

Access doesn't use fixed length storage for strings and you don't save any
space by defining text fields as less than the maximum allowable.  I change
the default field size for text strings to 255 in Options and never change
it for individual filed definitions.

All that restricting field sizes does for you is increase the risk of
truncating data or throwing up error messages at the user sometime in the
future.



From dmcafee at pacbell.net  Mon Aug 29 12:38:57 2005
From: dmcafee at pacbell.net (dmcafee at pacbell.net)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 10:38:57 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Field Sizes
In-Reply-To: <200508291701.j7TH1HR26777@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <KDEHKEMIOHGKCDHLPPLKEEGDFIAA.dmcafee@pacbell.net>

I "was" kidding when I said to make them all varcahr(8000). I tend to use
50.

I prefer Varchars to chars, unless when dealing with a specific charcter
length datatypes.

Char's tend to pad the vales with spaces. So if you have a field titled
fname,

a varchar(50) would store the name Joe as "Joe"
a char(50) would store the name Joe as "Joe
"

I tend to sometimes forget to RTRIM() my chars when selecting :(

D
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Bartow
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 10:01 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Field Sizes


On that note, is it good advice to make all text fields VarCHar in SQL
Server?

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
dmcafee at pacbell.net

In SQL you can make everything a VARCHAR(8000)

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Bartow

Q: Does it matter when upsizing to SQL Server?

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan

255 characters.

Access doesn't use fixed length storage for strings and you don't save any
space by defining text fields as less than the maximum allowable.  I change
the default field size for text strings to 255 in Options and never change
it for individual filed definitions.

All that restricting field sizes does for you is increase the risk of
truncating data or throwing up error messages at the user sometime in the
future.

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From john at winhaven.net  Mon Aug 29 12:58:35 2005
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 12:58:35 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Field Sizes
In-Reply-To: <KDEHKEMIOHGKCDHLPPLKEEGDFIAA.dmcafee@pacbell.net>
Message-ID: <200508291758.j7THwaR10622@databaseadvisors.com>

Oh, OK, I'm a bit weary this morning, have a blistering headache and even
after 4 advil and a pot of coffee didn't catch the kidding part, sorry, now
that I look back it was obvious!. Good point about the padding with spaces
though, so I guess it was worth it ;o)

I originally wanted to discuss if upsizing from an access db to a SQL Server
db was any more of a hassle based on needed field lengths or standard 255
field lengths.

We know Access doesn't use fixed length storage for strings and you don't
save any space by defining text fields as less than the maximum allowable.

But IIRC SQL Server does so when upsizing you now have all 255 field lengths
(which isn't terrible but not optimal) or do you go in and resize all the
fields lengths?

NOTE: I'm not taking sides here. I generally size fields similar to what Jim
mentioned but I also have taken the easier route and done as Stuart
mentioned - resetting the default field length size  and (knowing how Access
deals with text fields) not really caring if it was set smaller. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
dmcafee at pacbell.net
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 12:39 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Field Sizes

I "was" kidding when I said to make them all varcahr(8000). I tend to use
50.

I prefer Varchars to chars, unless when dealing with a specific charcter
length datatypes.

Char's tend to pad the vales with spaces. So if you have a field titled
fname,

a varchar(50) would store the name Joe as "Joe"
a char(50) would store the name Joe as "Joe "

I tend to sometimes forget to RTRIM() my chars when selecting :(

D
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Bartow
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 10:01 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Field Sizes


On that note, is it good advice to make all text fields VarCHar in SQL
Server?

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
dmcafee at pacbell.net

In SQL you can make everything a VARCHAR(8000)

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Bartow

Q: Does it matter when upsizing to SQL Server?

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan

255 characters.

Access doesn't use fixed length storage for strings and you don't save any
space by defining text fields as less than the maximum allowable.  I change
the default field size for text strings to 255 in Options and never change
it for individual filed definitions.

All that restricting field sizes does for you is increase the risk of
truncating data or throwing up error messages at the user sometime in the
future.

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From dmcafee at pacbell.net  Mon Aug 29 13:47:39 2005
From: dmcafee at pacbell.net (dmcafee at pacbell.net)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 11:47:39 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Field Sizes
In-Reply-To: <200508291758.j7THwaR10622@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <KDEHKEMIOHGKCDHLPPLKOEGEFIAA.dmcafee@pacbell.net>

I believe when upsizing, text fields are converted to Char().

The only weird conversion is when dealing with Memo Fields, they become
"text" in SQL :)
so don't get the two "text" types confused between SQL & Access.

I prefer SQL Servers import wizard over Access' Upsize wizard. you can save
the import script and modify the fields if one is converted incorrectly.

D


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Bartow
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 10:59 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Field Sizes


Oh, OK, I'm a bit weary this morning, have a blistering headache and even
after 4 advil and a pot of coffee didn't catch the kidding part, sorry, now
that I look back it was obvious!. Good point about the padding with spaces
though, so I guess it was worth it ;o)

I originally wanted to discuss if upsizing from an access db to a SQL Server
db was any more of a hassle based on needed field lengths or standard 255
field lengths.

We know Access doesn't use fixed length storage for strings and you don't
save any space by defining text fields as less than the maximum allowable.

But IIRC SQL Server does so when upsizing you now have all 255 field lengths
(which isn't terrible but not optimal) or do you go in and resize all the
fields lengths?

NOTE: I'm not taking sides here. I generally size fields similar to what Jim
mentioned but I also have taken the easier route and done as Stuart
mentioned - resetting the default field length size  and (knowing how Access
deals with text fields) not really caring if it was set smaller.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
dmcafee at pacbell.net
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 12:39 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Field Sizes

I "was" kidding when I said to make them all varcahr(8000). I tend to use
50.

I prefer Varchars to chars, unless when dealing with a specific charcter
length datatypes.

Char's tend to pad the vales with spaces. So if you have a field titled
fname,

a varchar(50) would store the name Joe as "Joe"
a char(50) would store the name Joe as "Joe "

I tend to sometimes forget to RTRIM() my chars when selecting :(

D
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Bartow
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 10:01 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Field Sizes


On that note, is it good advice to make all text fields VarCHar in SQL
Server?

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
dmcafee at pacbell.net

In SQL you can make everything a VARCHAR(8000)

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Bartow

Q: Does it matter when upsizing to SQL Server?

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan

255 characters.

Access doesn't use fixed length storage for strings and you don't save any
space by defining text fields as less than the maximum allowable.  I change
the default field size for text strings to 255 in Options and never change
it for individual filed definitions.

All that restricting field sizes does for you is increase the risk of
truncating data or throwing up error messages at the user sometime in the
future.

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From john at winhaven.net  Mon Aug 29 13:57:35 2005
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 13:57:35 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Field Sizes
In-Reply-To: <KDEHKEMIOHGKCDHLPPLKOEGEFIAA.dmcafee@pacbell.net>
Message-ID: <200508291857.j7TIvZR26957@databaseadvisors.com>

Does an Access Memo field get converted to VarChar (by default)?

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
dmcafee at pacbell.net

I believe when upsizing, text fields are converted to Char().

The only weird conversion is when dealing with Memo Fields, they become
"text" in SQL :) so don't get the two "text" types confused between SQL &
Access.

I prefer SQL Servers import wizard over Access' Upsize wizard. you can save
the import script and modify the fields if one is converted incorrectly.

D



From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Mon Aug 29 14:21:40 2005
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 20:21:40 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Ot John Colby
Message-ID: <200508291922.j7TJMpR00581@databaseadvisors.com>


JC

Can  you contact me of List.


Apologise I dont have johns email here

Martin



From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Aug 29 14:24:05 2005
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 12:24:05 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Field Sizes
In-Reply-To: <200508291758.j7THwaR10622@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <0IM0008560K01R@l-daemon>

My Thought on the whole thing is that if MS MDB has variable length fields
it doesn't matter what size is requested and set, the data storage shrinks
the minimum anyway. Now if we are referring to MS SQL server DB then
fixed-fields sizes are set. 

Historically, all database programs that use variable length data storage
were slower and more prone to corruption but if space is at a premium then
that was required. But with sufficient space fixed size fields were faster
and unless there was a hard drive failure always recoverable.

My two cent worth.
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 10:59 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Field Sizes

Oh, OK, I'm a bit weary this morning, have a blistering headache and even
after 4 advil and a pot of coffee didn't catch the kidding part, sorry, now
that I look back it was obvious!. Good point about the padding with spaces
though, so I guess it was worth it ;o)

I originally wanted to discuss if upsizing from an access db to a SQL Server
db was any more of a hassle based on needed field lengths or standard 255
field lengths.

We know Access doesn't use fixed length storage for strings and you don't
save any space by defining text fields as less than the maximum allowable.

But IIRC SQL Server does so when upsizing you now have all 255 field lengths
(which isn't terrible but not optimal) or do you go in and resize all the
fields lengths?

NOTE: I'm not taking sides here. I generally size fields similar to what Jim
mentioned but I also have taken the easier route and done as Stuart
mentioned - resetting the default field length size  and (knowing how Access
deals with text fields) not really caring if it was set smaller. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
dmcafee at pacbell.net
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 12:39 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Field Sizes

I "was" kidding when I said to make them all varcahr(8000). I tend to use
50.

I prefer Varchars to chars, unless when dealing with a specific charcter
length datatypes.

Char's tend to pad the vales with spaces. So if you have a field titled
fname,

a varchar(50) would store the name Joe as "Joe"
a char(50) would store the name Joe as "Joe "

I tend to sometimes forget to RTRIM() my chars when selecting :(

D
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Bartow
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 10:01 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Field Sizes


On that note, is it good advice to make all text fields VarCHar in SQL
Server?

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
dmcafee at pacbell.net

In SQL you can make everything a VARCHAR(8000)

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Bartow

Q: Does it matter when upsizing to SQL Server?

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan

255 characters.

Access doesn't use fixed length storage for strings and you don't save any
space by defining text fields as less than the maximum allowable.  I change
the default field size for text strings to 255 in Options and never change
it for individual filed definitions.

All that restricting field sizes does for you is increase the risk of
truncating data or throwing up error messages at the user sometime in the
future.

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From artful at rogers.com  Mon Aug 29 15:09:46 2005
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 16:09:46 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Field Sizes
In-Reply-To: <200508291701.j7TH1HR26777@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <200508292009.j7TK9mR12454@databaseadvisors.com>

No it is NOT best practice. There are performance hits with varchar columns
that do not exist with char columns. I will shortly post a benchmark that
proves this, but in the meantime use these rules:
1. If the existing rows and anticipated rows never go beyond N characters,
make the column N + some.
2. If you cannot predict how much text will be entered, use a text column
rather than varchar.
3. If you plan on indexing this column (i.e. other than a full-text index),
use char.
Arthur
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
Sent: August 29, 2005 1:01 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Field Sizes

On that note, is it good advice to make all text fields VarCHar in SQL
Server?



From stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz  Mon Aug 29 16:02:00 2005
From: stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz (Stephen Bond)
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 09:02:00 +1200
Subject: [AccessD] Data from temp table being rammed into an Excel
	spreadsheet
Message-ID: <70F3D727890C784291D8433E9C418F2916BC78@server.bondsoftware.co.nz>

In A2K I have built a temp table and am trying to then export it to a spreadsheet using the following line of code:
 
  objXLRange.FormulaArray = objXLApp.Transpose(varResults)

where 'Dim objXLApp As Excel.Application ' 
and 'Dim objXLRange As Excel.Range' and has been defined precisely, according to the size of the incoming data in the temp table,
and varResults is a 2-dimension array being the result of SELECT * FROM tmpTable.  The column count is fixed at 18 but the Row count is variable.
 
This works well when the temp table has 303 rows or less.  Over 303 rows, and I get 'Error 13 Type Mismatch'.  I have looked for corrupted data coming in thru the query that creates the temp table, but after many hours of experimentation it comes back to an apparent limit on the number of Rows.
 
I don't remember where I got the code from and I don't pretend to understand the 'FormulaArray' property in Excel, but someone here might have been down this track .... any takers?
 
 
Stephen Bond 

From jim.moss at jlmoss.net  Mon Aug 29 17:05:59 2005
From: jim.moss at jlmoss.net (Jim Moss)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 17:05:59 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Data from temp table being rammed into an Excel 
	spreadsheet
In-Reply-To: <70F3D727890C784291D8433E9C418F2916BC78@server.bondsoftware.co.nz>
References: <70F3D727890C784291D8433E9C418F2916BC78@server.bondsoftware.co.nz>
Message-ID: <9032.65.196.182.34.1125353159.squirrel@65.196.182.34>

Stephen,

The following code does a copy from recordset:

intMaxCol = rs1.Fields.Count
            If rs1.RecordCount > 0 Then
                rs1.MoveLast
                rs1.MoveFirst
                intMaxRow = rs1.RecordCount
                Set objXL = New Excel.Application
                With objXL
                    .Visible = False
                    Set objWkb = .Workbooks.Add
                    Set objSht = objWkb.Worksheets(1)
                        With objSht
                            .Range(.Cells(2, 1), .Cells(intMaxRow, _
                            intMaxCol)).CopyFromRecordset rs1
                        End With
                End With
            End If

Jim


> In A2K I have built a temp table and am trying to then export it to a
> spreadsheet using the following line of code:
>
>   objXLRange.FormulaArray = objXLApp.Transpose(varResults)
>
> where 'Dim objXLApp As Excel.Application '
> and 'Dim objXLRange As Excel.Range' and has been defined precisely,
> according to the size of the incoming data in the temp table,
> and varResults is a 2-dimension array being the result of SELECT * FROM
> tmpTable.  The column count is fixed at 18 but the Row count is variable.
>
> This works well when the temp table has 303 rows or less.  Over 303 rows,
> and I get 'Error 13 Type Mismatch'.  I have looked for corrupted data
> coming in thru the query that creates the temp table, but after many hours
> of experimentation it comes back to an apparent limit on the number of
> Rows.
>
> I don't remember where I got the code from and I don't pretend to
> understand the 'FormulaArray' property in Excel, but someone here might
> have been down this track .... any takers?
>
>
> Stephen Bond
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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Mon Aug 29 18:51:23 2005
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 16:51:23 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Data from temp table being rammed into an Excel
	spreadsheet
References: <70F3D727890C784291D8433E9C418F2916BC78@server.bondsoftware.co.nz>
Message-ID: <43139F7B.6030703@shaw.ca>

There are limits on Excel 65K rows 32K per cell varies with version of 
Excel
There is also something about memo fields being truncated at 255 chars 
but there is a workaround.
If the worksheet aleady exists needs terminating "$" in name


Here are a couple of samples methods using ADO.

'? CopyTableToExcel("Products", "C:\Excel\Product2.xls", "C:\Program 
Files\Microsoft Office\Office\Samples\Northwind.mdb")
Public Function CopyTableToExcel(strTable As String, strXLSFile As 
String, strAccessFile As String)
Dim cnSrc As New ADODB.Connection
Dim num_copied As Long

    DoEvents
    strAccessFile = CurrentDb.Name
    cnSrc.Open "Provider=Microsoft.Jet.OLEDB.4.0;" & _
        "Data Source=" & strAccessFile & ";"
        'pick a sheetname "Books"
    cnSrc.Execute "SELECT * INTO [Excel 8.0;" & _
        "Database=" & strXLSFile & "].[Books] FROM " & _
            strTable, num_copied
    cnSrc.Close

    MsgBox "Copied " & num_copied & " records."
End Function
' Open the database and build the Recordset containing the data
'you want to transfer. Then open the Excel workbook,
'find the worksheet that should contain the data,
'create a Range on the worksheet,
'and use its CopyFromRecordset method to load the data.
'This example also calls AutoFit to make the column widths fit the data.


Function CopyTableToExcelCreate(strTable As String, strXLSFilename As 
String)
Dim conn As ADODB.Connection
Dim rs As ADODB.Recordset
Dim excel_app As Excel.Application
Dim excel_sheet As Excel.Worksheet

    DoEvents

    ' Open the Access database.
    Set conn = New ADODB.Connection
    conn.ConnectionString = _
        "Provider=Microsoft.Jet.OLEDB.4.0;" & _
        "Data Source=" & strXLSFilename
    conn.Open

    ' Select the Access data.
    Set rs = conn.Execute(strTable)

    ' Create the Excel application.
    Set excel_app = CreateObject("Excel.Application")

    ' Uncomment this line to make Excel visible.
'    excel_app.Visible = True

    ' Open the Excel workbook.
    excel_app.Workbooks.Open strXLSFilename

    ' Check for later versions.
    If Val(excel_app.Application.Version) >= 8 Then
        Set excel_sheet = excel_app.ActiveSheet
    Else
        Set excel_sheet = excel_app
    End If

    ' Use the Recordset to fill the table.
    excel_sheet.Cells.CopyFromRecordset rs
    excel_sheet.Cells.Columns.AutoFit

    ' Save the workbook.
    excel_app.ActiveWorkbook.Save

    ' Shut down.
    excel_app.Quit
    rs.Close
    conn.Close

    MsgBox "Ok"
End Function

Stephen Bond wrote:

>In A2K I have built a temp table and am trying to then export it to a spreadsheet using the following line of code:
> 
>  objXLRange.FormulaArray = objXLApp.Transpose(varResults)
>
>where 'Dim objXLApp As Excel.Application ' 
>and 'Dim objXLRange As Excel.Range' and has been defined precisely, according to the size of the incoming data in the temp table,
>and varResults is a 2-dimension array being the result of SELECT * FROM tmpTable.  The column count is fixed at 18 but the Row count is variable.
> 
>This works well when the temp table has 303 rows or less.  Over 303 rows, and I get 'Error 13 Type Mismatch'.  I have looked for corrupted data coming in thru the query that creates the temp table, but after many hours of experimentation it comes back to an apparent limit on the number of Rows.
> 
>I don't remember where I got the code from and I don't pretend to understand the 'FormulaArray' property in Excel, but someone here might have been down this track .... any takers?
> 
> 
>Stephen Bond 
>
>  
>
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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Aug 30 02:47:53 2005
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 09:47:53 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Stupid antispam
Message-ID: <s3142b64.092@cactus.dk>

Hi all

Well, to this guy our list certainly will look quit!

<snip>

Re: [AccessD] Relink temporarily (Zaep Key:
7bae2957.4313bfb6.04bc08b3)

Dear Gustav,

Thanks for your email, but at this point I have NOT actually received
your message because I have implemented a challenge-response based
anti-spam solution.  Before I can receive your message you must
respond in ONE of the ways outlined below.

You will not have to do this again.

</snip>

To comment this for you with an in-house mailserver, we have
successfully installed a spamfilter using the SpamAssassin daemon as a
proxy. It automatically tests received mail towards the blacklists and
filters virus infected mails, and these two features alone has cut our
received spam by about 95%:

  http://www.pinjo.nl/

Cost is EUR 150,00 which are well spent as it is a snap to install.

/gustav


From tom.bolton at donnslaw.co.uk  Tue Aug 30 03:57:35 2005
From: tom.bolton at donnslaw.co.uk (Tom Bolton)
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 09:57:35 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] RE:  A2k2 / SQL Server dropped indexes
Message-ID: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C831880802A335@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>

Morning all

 

We've had a problem in the past here with linking tables into an Access .mdb
from a SQL Server database - when the tables are linked, Access decides on
its own primary key and creates an index.  So far, so good, but then
seemingly at random Access is dropping the index which results in the table
becoming read-only.  The problem can be fixed manually, but there's no
pattern to the behaviour.

 

I cured this before using a bit of ADOX to drop and relink the tables (an
extra button, but in this case the user was pretty Access-conversant), but
now in a separate .mdb looking at a different SQL backend, it's happening
again - to a mission-critical application.

 

Anyone any clues?  I've Googled from top to bottom for this one, and not a
sausage to be found.

 

Many TIA as always

Tom

 

 

 

 

Tom Bolton

Systems Developer (I.T.)

Donns Solicitors

Tel: 0161 834 3311

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Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 10:04:11 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] RE:  A2k2 / SQL Server dropped indexes
Message-ID: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C831880802A336@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>

Hi All

 

In a correction to the previous email, I've just discovered that it is
indeed the same SQL database we've had problems with.  The tables in the SQL
database aren't indexed either - could this have a bearing? 

 

Again, TIA for your help!

Tom

 

 

 

 

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From carbonnb at gmail.com  Tue Aug 30 04:41:26 2005
From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 05:41:26 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Stupid antispam
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On 30/08/05, Gustav Brock <Gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
> Hi all
> 
> Well, to this guy our list certainly will look quit!
> 
> <snip>
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> Re: [AccessD] Relink temporarily (Zaep Key:
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Yep. So will dba-tech. 

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From R.Griffiths at bury.gov.uk  Tue Aug 30 10:44:26 2005
From: R.Griffiths at bury.gov.uk (Griffiths, Richard)
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 16:44:26 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] A2k to sql
Message-ID: <200508301535.j7UFZM927033@smarthost.yourcomms.net>

Hi

I have an application written using A2k and have now moved to SQL 2000.
Can anyone give me advice in how to distribute an app that uses SQL as
the BE.

Is it as simple as generating a SQL script from my SQL db and then
running this script on the client server via query analyzer? Or do I
copy the mdf files? Or is there some third pary stuff that installs?

Any help would be appreciated

Richard


From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Tue Aug 30 13:33:43 2005
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 11:33:43 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] RE:  A2k2 / SQL Server dropped indexes
References: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C831880802A335@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>
Message-ID: <4314A687.7060003@shaw.ca>

Some maybes.

When you link a table from an ODBC data source, such as Microsoft SQL 
Server or ORACLE, and that table contains more than one unique index, 
Microsoft Access may select the wrong index as the primary key. Has 
someone been adding indexes to the sql tables

ACC2000: Access May Choose an Unexpected Index as the Primary Key

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=KB;EN-US;207745

ACC2000: Creating Virtual Indexes with SQL Data-Definition Queries
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/q209123

Tom Bolton wrote:

>Morning all
>
> 
>
>We've had a problem in the past here with linking tables into an Access .mdb
>from a SQL Server database - when the tables are linked, Access decides on
>its own primary key and creates an index.  So far, so good, but then
>seemingly at random Access is dropping the index which results in the table
>becoming read-only.  The problem can be fixed manually, but there's no
>pattern to the behaviour.
>
> 
>
>I cured this before using a bit of ADOX to drop and relink the tables (an
>extra button, but in this case the user was pretty Access-conversant), but
>now in a separate .mdb looking at a different SQL backend, it's happening
>again - to a mission-critical application.
>
> 
>
>Anyone any clues?  I've Googled from top to bottom for this one, and not a
>sausage to be found.
>
> 
>
>Many TIA as always
>
>Tom
>
> 
>
> 
>
> 
>
> 
>
>Tom Bolton
>
>Systems Developer (I.T.)
>
>Donns Solicitors
>
>Tel: 0161 834 3311
>
>Fax: 0161 834 2317
>
> 
>
> 
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Tue Aug 30 18:35:24 2005
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (DWUTKA at marlow.com)
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 18:35:24 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Oracle Question
Message-ID: <123701F54509D9119A4F00D0B747349016DED3@main2.marlow.com>

I normally treat Oracle like a bag of rattle snakes (don't mess around
inside it much, and typically just beat it with a big long stick when it's
acting up......) ;)  However, we are having to create some auditing
processes due to Sar-Ox.  I put a trigger in place to log changes to a few
key changes, however, using the USER function, to record who is making the
changes, the trigger is putting in the account that I created the trigger
with, not the account who is making the changes.  Any ideas?

Thanks,

Drew


From stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz  Tue Aug 30 19:38:43 2005
From: stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz (Stephen Bond)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 12:38:43 +1200
Subject: [AccessD] Data from temp table being rammed into an Excel
	spreadsheet
Message-ID: <70F3D727890C784291D8433E9C418F29149917@server.bondsoftware.co.nz>

Thanks Jim and Marty,
 
As a quick fix I had coded a bypass to the problem  (the customer is across the ditch in Australia and needed some sort of resolution immediately, even a temporary one), BUT left the original code in there as well, but with an elegant message if the error occurred.
 
Now they report the original problem has gone away.  Completely.  Go figger ....
 
At the risk of plagiarising a line from Woody's Watch ... 'trustworthy computing!'  Bah humbug.
 
Anyway, your submissions have been filed for future reference.  Thanks again.
 
Stephen Bond
 
 

-----Original Message-----
From: Stephen Bond 
Sent: Tuesday, 30 August 2005 9:02 a.m.
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Data from temp table being rammed into an Excel spreadsheet



In A2K I have built a temp table and am trying to then export it to a spreadsheet using the following line of code: 
  
  objXLRange.FormulaArray = objXLApp.Transpose(varResults) 

where 'Dim objXLApp As Excel.Application ' 
and 'Dim objXLRange As Excel.Range' and has been defined precisely, according to the size of the incoming data in the temp table,

and varResults is a 2-dimension array being the result of SELECT * FROM tmpTable.  The column count is fixed at 18 but the Row count is variable.


This works well when the temp table has 303 rows or less.  Over 303 rows, and I get 'Error 13 Type Mismatch'.  I have looked for corrupted data coming in thru the query that creates the temp table, but after many hours of experimentation it comes back to an apparent limit on the number of Rows.


I don't remember where I got the code from and I don't pretend to understand the 'FormulaArray' property in Excel, but someone here might have been down this track .... any takers?


  
Stephen Bond 



From marklbreen at gmail.com  Wed Aug 31 03:53:12 2005
From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 09:53:12 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Re: How to Manage Maintenance Mode - Auto shutdown
In-Reply-To: <c7fd28d0050817093728e6fca1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c7fd28d0050817093728e6fca1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c7fd28d005083101534f5ebac@mail.gmail.com>

Hello All,
 Thanks for your replies on this thread, you gave me what I was looking for 
- some opinions.
 I have not worked on it yet, but I did notice that yesterday, the app had 
not been used since midnight and I was looking at it at 10:00 am, so an 
element of Johns auto logout will probably be required, in conjunction with 
an activity monitor, as this app is used for production support, it is not 
possible to request a logout.
 The timer and auto logout are OK, but what I have to contend with is the 
user attempting to log back in, this will have to be handled elegantly, or 
as an Indian guy I worked with recently says "I will have to fine a graceful 
solution to this"
 I thought the graceful was slight out of context for day to day language, 
but I thought it wonderfully apt.
 Thanks again for all your time, I always appreciate it.
 Mark

 On 8/17/05, Mark Breen <marklbreen at gmail.com> wrote: 
> 
> Hello Group,
> 
> I have an app uses MS SQL 2000 Server as it's backend database. I
> want to run some maintenance routines on the db and they require that
> I switch the db into single user mode. This is easily done and once I
> have it in Single User Mode, it is easy to kick off the maintenance
> routines.
> 
> My question is what ways you may have handled a polite automatic
> shutdown of the application in your worlds.
> 
> Technically, I do not have to shut down my app, I could just break the
> connection to SQL server, but I think that I may as well shut down the
> entire app.
> 
> I could use timers, and I could insert 'activity' updates and only
> shut down the FE app when the app is not being used.
> 
> So for example, I could update a database field and when the field has
> not been used for more than 30 minutes I can assume that it is
> in-active. This would allow me to auto shut down the app, but I would
> like to leave some message behind me to let the user know where their
> app went rather than just killing it!
> 
> I could also break the connection to the db, then display a message
> box saying the db has been shutdown and allow the user to click OK to
> continue.
> 
> I am not seeking detailed technical help here, more philosophically
> how you guys handle this type of situation.
> 
> Any thoughts or comments are appreciated,
> 
> I hope you and your family are all well,
> 
> Mark Breen
>


From listmaster at databaseadvisors.com  Wed Aug 31 08:21:41 2005
From: listmaster at databaseadvisors.com (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 09:21:41 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Administrivia - List Software Upgrade - Sep 4
Message-ID: <431576A5.23677.326CD85@listmaster.databaseadvisors.com>

The software that runs our list has released a new version to fix 
some security issues, add some new features to help out the admins 
and mods and some bug fixes.

So I will be upgrading the software on Sunday Sep 4. This will mean 
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From tom.bolton at donnslaw.co.uk  Wed Aug 31 09:38:37 2005
From: tom.bolton at donnslaw.co.uk (Tom Bolton)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 15:38:37 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] RE:  A2k2 / SQL Server dropped indexes
Message-ID: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C831880802A347@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>

Thanks Marty, from this I have a sneaking suspicion that it's something to
do with the indexing on the underlying tables.

My colleague who's dealing with the app in question is going to add some
proper indexing to the SQL table and I'll pass on this info for when he
does.

Again thanks for this!
Tom



-----Original Message-----
From: MartyConnelly [mailto:martyconnelly at shaw.ca] 
Sent: 30-Aug-2005 19:34
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] RE: A2k2 / SQL Server dropped indexes

Some maybes.

When you link a table from an ODBC data source, such as Microsoft SQL 
Server or ORACLE, and that table contains more than one unique index, 
Microsoft Access may select the wrong index as the primary key. Has 
someone been adding indexes to the sql tables

ACC2000: Access May Choose an Unexpected Index as the Primary Key

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=KB;EN-US;207745

ACC2000: Creating Virtual Indexes with SQL Data-Definition Queries
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/q209123

Tom Bolton wrote:

>Morning all
>
> 
>
>We've had a problem in the past here with linking tables into an Access
.mdb
>from a SQL Server database - when the tables are linked, Access decides on
>its own primary key and creates an index.  So far, so good, but then
>seemingly at random Access is dropping the index which results in the table
>becoming read-only.  The problem can be fixed manually, but there's no
>pattern to the behaviour.
>
> 
>
>I cured this before using a bit of ADOX to drop and relink the tables (an
>extra button, but in this case the user was pretty Access-conversant), but
>now in a separate .mdb looking at a different SQL backend, it's happening
>again - to a mission-critical application.
>
> 
>
>Anyone any clues?  I've Googled from top to bottom for this one, and not a
>sausage to be found.
>
> 
>
>Many TIA as always
>
>Tom
>
> 
>
> 
>
> 
>
> 
>
>Tom Bolton
>
>Systems Developer (I.T.)
>
>Donns Solicitors
>
>Tel: 0161 834 3311
>
>Fax: 0161 834 2317
>
> 
>
> 
>
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From JRojas at tnco-inc.com  Wed Aug 31 10:01:54 2005
From: JRojas at tnco-inc.com (Joe Rojas)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 11:01:54 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Trap Mouse Scroll Wheel
Message-ID: <0CC84C9461AE6445AD5A602001C41C4B05A481@mercury.tnco-inc.com>

Hi All,

Is it possible to trap the mouse scroll wheel event in Access 2000? If so,
how is this done?

Normally the scroll wheel will scroll through the records on a form but I am
looking for a way to disable this from happening.

I know that I could disable the wheel in windows but I don't want this to be
a system wide change, just when the user scrolls in Access.

Thanks!
JR




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From cyx5 at cdc.gov  Wed Aug 31 10:16:30 2005
From: cyx5 at cdc.gov (Nicholson, Karen)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 11:16:30 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Trap Mouse Scroll Wheel
Message-ID: <A5B5AA20555F594BA7B6BD2048E49E4376FEF0@m-niosh-5.niosh.cdc.gov>

Yes.   There is a mousehook.dll that you can call to disable this.  Send
me your email offline and I will send it to you. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Joe Rojas
Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 11:02 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Trap Mouse Scroll Wheel

Hi All,

Is it possible to trap the mouse scroll wheel event in Access 2000? If
so, how is this done?

Normally the scroll wheel will scroll through the records on a form but
I am looking for a way to disable this from happening.

I know that I could disable the wheel in windows but I don't want this
to be a system wide change, just when the user scrolls in Access.

Thanks!
JR




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From cyx5 at cdc.gov  Wed Aug 31 10:17:37 2005
From: cyx5 at cdc.gov (Nicholson, Karen)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 11:17:37 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Renaming SQL Tables
Message-ID: <A5B5AA20555F594BA7B6BD2048E49E4376FEF1@m-niosh-5.niosh.cdc.gov>

I just linked to about 150 SQL tables; of course all are prefaced with
NIOSH\get3_
I want to strip off the prefix.  Does anybody have that code?  I know I
have seen it somewhere.


From Donald.A.McGillivray at sprint.com  Wed Aug 31 10:18:42 2005
From: Donald.A.McGillivray at sprint.com (Mcgillivray, Don [ITS])
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 10:18:42 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Trap Mouse Scroll Wheel
Message-ID: <EC829B33DF5B5B48A956B7A2E894AA9A01B319EF@PLSWB06C.ad.sprint.com>

Joe,

I'm sure there are other ways to do this, but I've used the
mousehook.dll that I downloaded from Lebans site:

http://www.lebans.com/mousewheelonoff.htm

Comes with the code and instructions for implementing.

Don



From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed Aug 31 10:21:24 2005
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 08:21:24 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Trap Mouse Scroll Wheel
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86873C0D@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Access 2002 has an OnMouseWheel event, but I don't recall if that exists
in 2000.

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Rojas [mailto:JRojas at tnco-inc.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 8:02 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Trap Mouse Scroll Wheel


Hi All,

Is it possible to trap the mouse scroll wheel event in Access 2000? If
so, how is this done?

Normally the scroll wheel will scroll through the records on a form but
I am looking for a way to disable this from happening.

I know that I could disable the wheel in windows but I don't want this
to be a system wide change, just when the user scrolls in Access.

Thanks!
JR




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From paul.hartland at isharp.co.uk  Wed Aug 31 10:30:19 2005
From: paul.hartland at isharp.co.uk (Paul Hartland (ISHARP))
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 16:30:19 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Renaming SQL Tables
In-Reply-To: <A5B5AA20555F594BA7B6BD2048E49E4376FEF1@m-niosh-5.niosh.cdc.gov>
Message-ID: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAC4AAAAAAAAAclrM129q6km1GlSfRwF8CgEAFKerAD79REu7GTojEo2iDgAAAAddkgAAEAAAANNUmbvWPj5AnoWCP7K96z0BAAAAAA==@isharp.co.uk>

Karen,

This is a quick little function I use:

Function dbo_Remover() As Integer
    ' Use this module remove the linked table start name dbo_
    Dim db As Database
    Dim i As Integer
    Dim c As Long
    c = 0
    Set db = DBEngine.Workspaces(0).Databases(0)
    dbo_Remover = False
    db.TableDefs.Refresh
    For i = 0 To db.TableDefs.Count - 1
        If (Left(db.TableDefs(i).Name, 10) = "NIOSH\get3_") Then
            'MsgBox "found " & db.TableDefs(i).Name
            db.TableDefs(i).Name = Mid(db.TableDefs(i).Name, 11)
            c = c + 1
            'MsgBox "new name = " & db.TableDefs(i).Name
        End If
    Next i
    Set db = Nothing
    MsgBox "NIOSH\get3_ Removed From " & c & " Filenames....."
End Function

Paul Hartland
Database Developer
07730 523179

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Nicholson, Karen
Sent: 31 August 2005 16:18
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Renaming SQL Tables

I just linked to about 150 SQL tables; of course all are prefaced with
NIOSH\get3_ I want to strip off the prefix.  Does anybody have that code?  I
know I have seen it somewhere.
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From JRojas at tnco-inc.com  Wed Aug 31 10:34:14 2005
From: JRojas at tnco-inc.com (Joe Rojas)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 11:34:14 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Trap Mouse Scroll Wheel
Message-ID: <0CC84C9461AE6445AD5A602001C41C4B05A482@mercury.tnco-inc.com>

I ran into Microsoft's example in their knowledgebase.
Is this the same thing?

If not, please send me what you have. jrojas at tnco-inc.com

Thanks Karen!

-----Original Message-----
From: Nicholson, Karen [mailto:cyx5 at cdc.gov]
Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 11:17 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K: Trap Mouse Scroll Wheel

Yes.   There is a mousehook.dll that you can call to disable this.  Send
me your email offline and I will send it to you.

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Joe Rojas
Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 11:02 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Trap Mouse Scroll Wheel

Hi All,

Is it possible to trap the mouse scroll wheel event in Access 2000? If
so, how is this done?

Normally the scroll wheel will scroll through the records on a form but
I am looking for a way to disable this from happening.

I know that I could disable the wheel in windows but I don't want this
to be a system wide change, just when the user scrolls in Access.

Thanks!
JR




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From paul.hartland at isharp.co.uk  Wed Aug 31 10:35:49 2005
From: paul.hartland at isharp.co.uk (Paul Hartland (ISHARP))
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 16:35:49 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Renaming SQL Tables
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Karen,

Sorry, mis-counted replace :

For i = 0 To db.TableDefs.Count - 1
        If (Left(db.TableDefs(i).Name, 10) = "NIOSH\get3_") Then
            'MsgBox "found " & db.TableDefs(i).Name
            db.TableDefs(i).Name = Mid(db.TableDefs(i).Name, 11)
            c = c + 1
            'MsgBox "new name = " & db.TableDefs(i).Name
        End If
Next i 

With

For i = 0 To db.TableDefs.Count - 1
        If (Left(db.TableDefs(i).Name, 11) = "NIOSH\get3_") Then
            'MsgBox "found " & db.TableDefs(i).Name
            db.TableDefs(i).Name = Mid(db.TableDefs(i).Name, 12)
            c = c + 1
            'MsgBox "new name = " & db.TableDefs(i).Name
        End If
Next i

Paul Hartland
Database Developer
07730 523179

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(ISHARP)
Sent: 31 August 2005 16:30
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Subject: RE: [AccessD] Renaming SQL Tables

Karen,

This is a quick little function I use:

Function dbo_Remover() As Integer
    ' Use this module remove the linked table start name dbo_
    Dim db As Database
    Dim i As Integer
    Dim c As Long
    c = 0
    Set db = DBEngine.Workspaces(0).Databases(0)
    dbo_Remover = False
    db.TableDefs.Refresh
    For i = 0 To db.TableDefs.Count - 1
        If (Left(db.TableDefs(i).Name, 10) = "NIOSH\get3_") Then
            'MsgBox "found " & db.TableDefs(i).Name
            db.TableDefs(i).Name = Mid(db.TableDefs(i).Name, 11)
            c = c + 1
            'MsgBox "new name = " & db.TableDefs(i).Name
        End If
    Next i
    Set db = Nothing
    MsgBox "NIOSH\get3_ Removed From " & c & " Filenames....."
End Function

Paul Hartland
Database Developer
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Sent: 31 August 2005 16:18
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Renaming SQL Tables

I just linked to about 150 SQL tables; of course all are prefaced with
NIOSH\get3_ I want to strip off the prefix.  Does anybody have that code?  I
know I have seen it somewhere.
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From dw-murphy at cox.net  Wed Aug 31 11:28:52 2005
From: dw-murphy at cox.net (Doug Murphy)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 09:28:52 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Trap Mouse Scroll Wheel
In-Reply-To: <0CC84C9461AE6445AD5A602001C41C4B05A481@mercury.tnco-inc.com>
Message-ID: <001b01c5ae49$12f3f270$0200a8c0@murphyf3vdfepi>

In Access XP is use the following in a forms module to keep the mouse wheel
from moving through records.  The routine uses the On Mouse Wheel event and
On Current Event.

Delclare a String variable at the module level sCurRec

Then put the following in the appropriate events

Private Sub Form_Current()
    If sCurRec <> "" Then
    Me.Bookmark = sCurRec
    sCurRec = ""
    End If
End Sub

Private Sub Form_MouseWheel(ByVal Page As Boolean, ByVal Count As Long)
sCurRec = Me.Bookmark

End Sub

I don't know if the On Mouse Wheel event is in Access 2000


Doug
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Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 8:02 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Trap Mouse Scroll Wheel


Hi All,

Is it possible to trap the mouse scroll wheel event in Access 2000? If so,
how is this done?

Normally the scroll wheel will scroll through the records on a form but I am
looking for a way to disable this from happening.

I know that I could disable the wheel in windows but I don't want this to be
a system wide change, just when the user scrolls in Access.

Thanks!
JR




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From cyx5 at cdc.gov  Wed Aug 31 11:36:59 2005
From: cyx5 at cdc.gov (Nicholson, Karen)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 12:36:59 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Trap Mouse Scroll Wheel
Message-ID: <A5B5AA20555F594BA7B6BD2048E49E4376FEF4@m-niosh-5.niosh.cdc.gov>

I must have the same mousehook.dll from Leban's site.  For me, it works
great.  You can call it for the whole app or for an individual form.
Then I had to do the trapping to prevent the up and down pages, too. 

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Joe Rojas
Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 11:34 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K: Trap Mouse Scroll Wheel

I ran into Microsoft's example in their knowledgebase.
Is this the same thing?

If not, please send me what you have. jrojas at tnco-inc.com

Thanks Karen!

-----Original Message-----
From: Nicholson, Karen [mailto:cyx5 at cdc.gov]
Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 11:17 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K: Trap Mouse Scroll Wheel

Yes.   There is a mousehook.dll that you can call to disable this.  Send
me your email offline and I will send it to you.

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Joe Rojas
Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 11:02 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Trap Mouse Scroll Wheel

Hi All,

Is it possible to trap the mouse scroll wheel event in Access 2000? If
so, how is this done?

Normally the scroll wheel will scroll through the records on a form but
I am looking for a way to disable this from happening.

I know that I could disable the wheel in windows but I don't want this
to be a system wide change, just when the user scrolls in Access.

Thanks!
JR




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From fhtapia at gmail.com  Wed Aug 31 16:08:43 2005
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 14:08:43 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Form Before Update
Message-ID: <b874372a05083114086e5afef6@mail.gmail.com>

I have a bound form in an Access 2000 data project.  I have a field
named txtADE, I set it to 3 and immediatly the before_update fires. 
however in the before_update code if I try to reference txtADE it
shows my previous value, not the new one... what gives?

thanks,
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From Donald.A.McGillivray at sprint.com  Wed Aug 31 16:39:45 2005
From: Donald.A.McGillivray at sprint.com (Mcgillivray, Don [ITS])
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 16:39:45 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Form Before Update
Message-ID: <EC829B33DF5B5B48A956B7A2E894AA9A01B31F09@PLSWB06C.ad.sprint.com>

Francisco,

Is it possible that you're using the *control's* Before_Update, instead
of the *Form's*?  At the control level, Before_Update will fire "before"
the update - that is, before the control's value is updated to whatever
you have typed.  Thus, the control will still contain its original
value.  With the form's Before_Update, you will be able to retrieve the
values that you have entered into any controls on the form, but it
doesn't fire until you save or otherwise attempt to move off the record.
If you're trying to evaluate what's been entered in a control either as
it's being entered or after, try the On_Change event for the control.

HTH

Don




From dc8 at btinternet.com  Wed Aug 31 17:00:28 2005
From: dc8 at btinternet.com (Chris Swann)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 23:00:28 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Forcing a date calculation
In-Reply-To: <EC829B33DF5B5B48A956B7A2E894AA9A01B31F09@PLSWB06C.ad.sprint.com>
Message-ID: <200508312200.j7VM0TR26592@databaseadvisors.com>

All,

I have a form that users are supposed to enter a start date, always a Monday
and an end date, always the Sunday after.

However, they seem completely unable to enter these dates correctly so I am
trying to see if there is a way to force a date into the system using Date()
and then going back to the previous Sunday and then working out the Monday
prior to that.

So, 31 August 2005 would go back to Sunday 28th August 2005 and I would then
subtract days to get Monday 22 August 2005.

Could anybody give me a pointer on if this is possible as the data being
returned currently is normally incorrect and this is causing more than a few
headaches !!

Thanks in advance,

Chris Swann
 



From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Wed Aug 31 17:43:06 2005
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Thu, 01 Sep 2005 08:43:06 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Forcing a date calculation
In-Reply-To: <200508312200.j7VM0TR26592@databaseadvisors.com>
References: <EC829B33DF5B5B48A956B7A2E894AA9A01B31F09@PLSWB06C.ad.sprint.com>
Message-ID: <4316BF1A.8793.4642F90@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

On 31 Aug 2005 at 23:00, Chris Swann wrote:

> All,
> 
> I have a form that users are supposed to enter a start date, always a Monday
> and an end date, always the Sunday after.
> 
> However, they seem completely unable to enter these dates correctly so I am
> trying to see if there is a way to force a date into the system using Date()
> and then going back to the previous Sunday and then working out the Monday
> prior to that.
> 
> So, 31 August 2005 would go back to Sunday 28th August 2005 and I would then
> subtract days to get Monday 22 August 2005.
> 
> Could anybody give me a pointer on if this is possible as the data being
> returned currently is normally incorrect and this is causing more than a few
> headaches !!
> 

This will givew you the current date for any Sunday and the previous Sunday 
for any day other than Sunday:

Function PreviousSunday(CurrDate As Date) As Date
    PreviousSunday = CurrDate - Weekday(CurrDate) + 1
End Function

PrevisouSunday() - 6 will give you the preceding Monday.

-- 
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From dmcafee at pacbell.net  Wed Aug 31 17:48:29 2005
From: dmcafee at pacbell.net (David Mcafee)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 15:48:29 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Form Before Update
In-Reply-To: <b874372a05083114086e5afef6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20050831224829.9757.qmail@web80802.mail.yahoo.com>

txtADE.Text?



--- Francisco Tapia <fhtapia at gmail.com> wrote:

> I have a bound form in an Access 2000 data project. 
> I have a field
> named txtADE, I set it to 3 and immediatly the
> before_update fires. 
> however in the before_update code if I try to
> reference txtADE it
> shows my previous value, not the new one... what
> gives?
> 
> thanks,
> -- 
> -Francisco
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> jargon!
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From Donald.A.McGillivray at sprint.com  Wed Aug 31 18:18:16 2005
From: Donald.A.McGillivray at sprint.com (Mcgillivray, Don [ITS])
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 18:18:16 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Form Before Update
Message-ID: <EC829B33DF5B5B48A956B7A2E894AA9A01B31FB5@PLSWB06C.ad.sprint.com>

Never mind.  My response is incorrect.  Should have actually tried this
BEFORE chiming in.  Hope somebody else can shed a little light.

<returning to lurk mode>

Don

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Don [ITS]
Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 2:40 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Form Before Update


Francisco,

Is it possible that you're using the *control's* Before_Update, instead
of the *Form's*?  At the control level, Before_Update will fire "before"
the update - that is, before the control's value is updated to whatever
you have typed.  Thus, the control will still contain its original
value.  With the form's Before_Update, you will be able to retrieve the
values that you have entered into any controls on the form, but it
doesn't fire until you save or otherwise attempt to move off the record.
If you're trying to evaluate what's been entered in a control either as
it's being entered or after, try the On_Change event for the control.

HTH

Don


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