[AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..

Charlotte Foust cfoust at infostatsystems.com
Thu Aug 18 12:34:02 CDT 2005


>MS Access becoming just a power-user toy?
I believe the actual MS quote described Access as "a landing pad for
data"!

SWAG:  Scientific Wild A** Guess <g>


Charlotte


-----Original Message-----
From: Shamil Salakhetdinov [mailto:shamil at users.mns.ru] 
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 9:45 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..


>  If they would only consider it a development
> tool instead of a power user toy.
They(MS) seems to have VS.NET as a mainstream development tool with MS
Access becoming just a power-user toy?

> MS is moving toward XML as
> their datastore of choice for this kind of caching, and it certainly 
> works and has been fairly easy to implement since at least Access 
> 2000.
OK, what I see as the problem with all that is that when cached locally
as XML/ADO.NET datasets(behind WinForms) and one needs to implement
front-end advanced business logic they need to program a lot using
navigational data processing methods. And even ADO.NET isn' a solution
here. And if cached locally in MDB or MSDE database SQL-based(SQL as
data manipulation language I mean)  set-oriented data processing methods
can be used - so in an ideal case there will be no need to program that
much business logic for front-end applications because SQL is a very
powerful language...

> SWAG based on working extensively with VB.Net and speculating.
Sorry, what SWAG means?

>  Given
> that the next version of Access may not be available for a year or so 
> and is bound to have problems at first, I think something that could 
> be used now and with versions earlier than 2003 (which has its own
> problems!) is entirely sensible.
Agreed! :)
Thank you for your approval of my expectations in this area!

Shamil


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 4:42 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..


> Shamil,
>
> It looks to me like that is where MS is going with .Net, so it would 
> be logical to take Access in that direction as well ... If they would 
> only consider it a development tool instead of a power user toy.  I've

> certainly built applications in the past using that concept with ADO 
> and unbound forms. (Hush, John, I don't want to hear about it!<g>)  I 
> think we often fall back to the built in stuff because it is quick and

> easy, even though it is not necessarily efficient.  MS is moving 
> toward XML as their datastore of choice for this kind of caching, and 
> it certainly works and has been fairly easy to implement since at 
> least Access 2000. I would expect the capability to be expanded in the

> next version of Access when it starts to catch up with Word and Excel,

> but that's just a SWAG based on working extensively with VB.Net and 
> speculating.  Given that the next version of Access may not be 
> available for a year or so and is bound to have problems at first, I 
> think something that could be used now and with versions earlier than 
> 2003 (which has its own
> problems!) is entirely sensible.
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Shamil Salakhetdinov [mailto:shamil at users.mns.ru]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 4:29 PM
> To: !DBA-MAIN
> Subject: [AccessD] Disconnected MS Access cient applications..
>
>
> Hi All,
>
> I wanted to ask you - what about the subject?
> Anybody uses/interested to use MS Access client applications this way?
>
> Do I miss obvious (RTFM) stuff and such a disconnected mode is already

> implemented in MS Access and broadly used by MS Access developers? 
> Yes, I know ADO recordsets can be used with bound MS Access forms etc.

> but this looks like a rather limited feature - am I wrong?
>
> What I mean is cashing data locally into mdbs, only the data needed 
> for the currently open form(s) etc., processing this data and then 
> updating backend database(mdb, MSDE, MS SQL, whatever...) - with all 
> this cashing and updating made mostly automatically by a tiny 
> framework code, based on ADO.NET...(yes, this local caching of data is

> not a new subject but nowadays it can be (re-)implement really 
> scalable way with a way less efforts than
> before)
>
> Maybe MS plans to do something like that?
>
> Is that a wheel reinvention or anybody here sees such opportunity like

> a really useful feature in their real life projects?
>
> For me it looks like a useful feature because it could help: to get MS

> Access back into mainstream development area because it will allow to 
> easily scale applications with MS Access front-ends...
>
> There are many other ideas but most of them in this "ideas pool" based

> on the subject one - if it doesn't make sense for real-life projects 
> then I'd better stop working on it...
>
> What is your opinion about the subject?
> When you expect MS will do something like that in MS Access?
>
> Thank you,
> Shamil
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