Heenan, Lambert
Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com
Fri Jun 10 16:18:27 CDT 2005
My last comment on this (honest!!! <vbg>) I'm wholeheartedly atheist, but I certainly not apolitical. I believe that everyone should be involved in the political process because politics impacts everyone. But this is not the place for politics. The Kansas situation may have offended more people than it satisfied, but still the stickers are in the school books. It seems enough Kansans were convinced that they voted in the measure, and to hell with the unbelievers. This country is being taken over by religious fanatics/extemists/nutters/fools (you choose) who's agenda has nothing at all to do with the common good and everything to do with their desire for power. Power of you, me, your dog and cat, and ultimately the rest of the world. Lambert -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 5:05 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: RE: [AccessD] Friday humour That didn't prevent any arguments, it started more and offended more people than it satisfied. I am areligious and largely apolitical, so I am only offended by a lack of common sense and basic courtesy. I just think it is playing with fire to discuss these topics in a public playground where fistfights are discouraged. <g> Charlotte Foust -----Original Message----- From: Heenan, Lambert [mailto:Lambert.Heenan at aig.com] Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 1:55 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: RE: [AccessD] Friday humour In Kansas they add Creationism to the school curriculum in order not to offend one specific group of people. That doesn't make it right either. On the whole though I agree with your comment. I especially do not like to see politics being discussed in a software developer's group, but every rule has its exceptions and pointing out the lunacy of the religions of this world (not just Christina ones) is an exception for me. Politicians can be voted out of office. Religious nuts want us to vote our brains out of office. But of course they never say that they are willing to give up all the benefits and comforts that the hateful world of science has given them - like the internet where they can publish their rubbish to the hearts content, where no paper and glue publisher would have touched it, and the computers they use to do it with. This despite the fact that it is heretical scientific research that made it all possible. Not one single solitary advance in human technology has come out of the world of religion. Stone tools, metal tools, agriculture, writing, you name it, they all came out of human needs. Lambert -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 4:03 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: RE: [AccessD] Friday humour Friends, In Woody's Lounge, we axe threads like this to avoid offending anyone, however misinformed they might be in their beliefs. Is there an equivalent rule in this list? I get very twitchy when conversations wander into the areas of religion and politics, since they tend to deteriorate into name calling and flames. Charlotte Foust -----Original Message----- From: Heenan, Lambert [mailto:Lambert.Heenan at aig.com] Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 11:49 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: RE: [AccessD] Friday humour Anyone care to tell us how the Earth Centric types explain stellar parallax? Or do they simply deny its existence as their various 'good books' refer to the 'fixed stars'? -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Elam, Debbie Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 2:39 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: RE: [AccessD] Friday humour No it does not throw it out the window, it just makes the lovely and simple orbital mechanics equations into monster equations that take a super computer to calculate with any proficiency. Of course those other planets just orbit around the sun while the whole mess orbits around the Earth ;-). That was the real reason it became obvious that the best method of calculation was to put the sun in the center of the system. The whole mess with the rings was to account for planetary movements. It is a little like the headaches caused when you try to take the Earth's total motion into account when compared to the motion of another star in the milky way galaxy which is all rotating around a cluster of stars in the galaxy center. Much more pleasant to break it into chunks and consider the solar system a single unit when talking about motion with respect to the galaxy. Debbie -----Original Message----- From: Don Bozarth [mailto:drboz at pacbell.net] Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 1:25 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Friday humour Well, if the solar system is Earth centered, a lot of the math dealing with planetary motion goes right out the window... not to mention that little sniggle called gravity. The math of orbital mechanics suddenly disappears. Were all that math wrong, we could never have made it to the Moon, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, and Uranus those places manmade satellites have visited. Don B. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elam, Debbie" <DElam at jenkens.com> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com> Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 11:14 AM Subject: RE: [AccessD] Friday humour > Actually they are right. The whole thing comes down to perspective. > Of course the math is a heck of a lot easier if you simply consider > the sun the > center around which the solar system revolves. In this case as many others, > why not go with the simplest answer that gives the most correct predictions? > Why complicate the issue by insisting that a certain perspective has > to be maintained? Groan, no doubt they will call it proof. Of course > the reverse > is just as true. No one can prove that the sun revolves around the > Earth, but that is a minor detail. > > Debbie > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jim Lawrence [mailto:accessd at shaw.ca] > Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 1:00 PM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: [AccessD] Friday humour > > > Hi All: > > When first read I thought this was a joke... but I think it is for > real; which of course would make it more hilarious. Check this out: > http://www.catholicintl.com/epologetics/articles/science/geochallenge. > htm > > Jim > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > - JENKENS & GILCHRIST E-MAIL NOTICE - This transmission may be: (1) subject > to the Attorney-Client Privilege, (2) an attorney work product, or (3) > strictly confidential. 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