Shamil Salakhetdinov
shamil at users.mns.ru
Thu Sep 29 02:48:37 CDT 2005
Jim, Did you ask the trainers how good/bad such half-generated ASP.NET application will work on high workload of 1,000, 10,000, 100,000 etc. users? I did work a few with ASP.NET 1.1 but I have a colleague who have written real apps - he says there is no way to have highly scalable ASP.NET applications if one uses web forms with code behind etc. - one have to write many things manually, with most of the code stripped from code behind into compiled .dlls, fine tune caching etc.etc - only in this case one can get highly scalable effective ASP.NET applications... ... I can be wrong but I think "there is no miracles in this World" - all these great features and RAD are more marketing campaign than anything else - a lot of work is needed to develop a real masterpiece software including ASP.NET 2.0 based... ...of course "toys" web applications for not very high workload can be developed in "toy mode" promoted by MS marketing campaign. And it may happen this is all what is needed for many small businesses to become "webisized"... ...yes, I know MS does do a lot in the area of software architecture and MS is developing pre-built blocks but this is IMO still a long way to go until they become really fine tuned for high workload.... ...and MS usually tends to solve tough tasks of "software efficiency bottlenecks" by adding more and speedier hardware - yes, hardware is becoming cheaper and cheaper every day but to keep up&running all that "Web farms", "SQL Server farms" experienced system engineers are needed... Recap: ====== -VS.NET 2005 and ASP.NET 2005 - is yet another "crazy technology race catch-up" - they promise a lot but ROI could be not as big as one may expect it to be if any at all; - yes, I go this "crazy" way of course because I like VS.NET and because I have no option to "quit to a farm here and to program just for pleasure" but after all that years of my working in IT-industry I'd not go blind - I'd check and stress-test all that RAD solutions MS promotes before relying on them... Shamil ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com> Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 10:34 AM Subject: Re: [AccessD] The future of Access, .NET and SQL > Hi Arthur: > > There is an heir-apparent to the ADP and it is ASP.Net 2.0. I was down at > Redmond in the Devscovery conference, a real three-ring circus... and I am > not kidding. Fairly significant demo apps, can be written in ASP.Net 2.0, > that connect to a full featured MS SQL 2003/Report-Writer or SQL Express, > that were created using its RAD interface that only had a couple lines of > manually enter coding. > > There are full user login interfaces that actually add users across the > internet, take their email address, send a confirmation request, set-up an > automatic call-in receipt, additionally prompt with a graphic user input for > additional security. There are full digital-signed security controls and > many more state-of-the-art features like, ADO.Net with data formatted in XML > and standard formats, auto-synchronization (works similar to call-back) and > full distribution of static datasets. These features can all be generated by > just selecting from option lists through wizards. Anyone can create an > application with only a good understanding of where they want to go. As you > learn more the whole boiler-plated routines can be tricked up to the hilt. > It is all very impressive. Here is a URL to the trainers that gave the > presentation and demos to the group at the conference: > http://www.wintellect.com/training/courseofferings.aspx?courses=5&id=48 > > I do have a full list of all the demos and if you would be interested I can > send you them, off-line. I would suggest that you sign up to their on-line > newsletters as I have heard they can be quite helpful. > > HTH > Jim > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller > Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2005 8:21 PM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] The future of Access, .NET and SQL > > I have no complaint with that route. As you may know, my treasured partner > Peter Brawley and I have described such a path (c.f. > www.artfulsoftware.com). But that is neither here nor there. The big problem > with that path is that there is nothing even close to Access that delivers > Linux apps (except as described in said e-book, using Access and the links > to MySQL -- what I want is something like an ADP that hooks directly to > MySQL. It isn't there. We tried in the aforementioned book to illustrate a > way to get there, but it doesn't offer the same intimacy. We tried and > delivered as best we could. But it isn't the same as ADP and there isn't a > lot that we can do about it). > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence > Sent: September 28, 2005 7:50 PM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] The future of Access, .NET and SQL > > That is a rub; through the years I have become a master at Dbase and its > various iterations, Clipper, SuperBase, SmartWare, Advanced Revelation, > Pascal, Fortran, FoxBase/Pro, Angoss, Access, Clarion, C and a few other > miscellaneous environments. > > ...and another 3000 foot climb with dual pack-sacks and I keep thinking that > maybe I should have gone the open-source routine; Linux, Apache, MySQL and > PHP :-) > > Jim > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com